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Open | Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:13:45 pm PDT

If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.

Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow

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1 aunursa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:15:06pm

Congratulation to Tampa Bay!

2 So?  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:15:08pm

What?

3 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:16:50pm

Tonight we watched the new DVD release of "The Outlaw Jose Wales", 1976.
Besides being a superlative story, the sound score of the movie is excellent.
There were some cello parts in there that gave me chicken skin.
They just don't make them like that anymore.

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:16:53pm

Oh boy, I comment here. And I'll see y'all in about 6 or 8 hours. Keep the engine running.

5 nigella  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:16:55pm

Great quote! Unfortunately for Obama Joe the Plumber asked the right question and Obama gave the wrong answer!

6 JohnAdams  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:17:21pm

Downside of Democracy we had not planned for. Complete morons having the vote. Gah!

7 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:18:33pm

re: #6 JohnAdams

Downside of Democracy we had not planned for. Complete morons having the vote. Gah!

Plato saw it coming, so did the Federalist Papers, and that's why we are after all a republic, but even so.

8 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:18:51pm

re: #3 rawmuse

Tonight we watched the new DVD release of "The Outlaw Jose Wales", 1976.
Besides being a superlative story, the sound score of the movie is excellent.
There were some cello parts in there that gave me chicken skin.
They just don't make them like that anymore.

Great movie. Complex, fun.

9 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:19:37pm

re: #6 JohnAdams

Morons make up a certain percentage of the population, the actual amount is in dispute at the moment. But, whatever the percentage, always remember,
they deserve representation as well, and, by all evidence, they get it, in spades.

10 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:21:13pm

re: #9 rawmuse

Morons make up a certain percentage of the population, the actual amount is in dispute at the moment. But, whatever the percentage, always remember,
they deserve representation as well, and, by all evidence, they get it, in spades.

Corollary is that any campaign should spend a certain amount of effort, aimed at convincing the morons.

11 Steve  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:22:11pm

re: #8 pat

Great movie. Complex, fun.

Very good movie by Eastwood but I have a liking for Sam Elliots roles.

12 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:22:43pm

still think we need Jeremiah Wright round the clock to win this thing.

13 SonOfLiberty  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:24:34pm

Hawaii ends universal health care...?

HONOLULU – Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

14 swamprat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:24:52pm

re: #9 rawmuse

Morons make up a certain percentage of the population, the actual amount is in dispute at the moment. But, whatever the percentage, always remember,
they deserve representation as well, and, by all evidence, they get it, in spades.


This is too good to be glossed over. This should find its happy little way into a book of quotes. In the meantime it is going into my heat list.

15 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:24:56pm

Well isn't this special: 'Family Guy' Character Wears Nazi Uniform With McCain-Palin Button
Go F*ck yourself McFartlane you socialist pinko commie PIG! G-D! I just can't take it with all this teens drinking everything this guy says on his tasteless, unfunny shows. You would think he would appreciate America more since McFartlane almost got killed on 9/11(his flight got canceled). But being a socialist liberal I guess that doesn't apply to him. What a scumbag.

16 swamprat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:25:11pm

heart list

17 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:26:35pm

I spent part of the day doing a tour of Craftsman-style houses in Pasadena. While driving from house to house I noticed Obama signs outnumbered McCain signs about four to one, perhaps twenty Obama signs to five for McCain (actually, I expected a greater ratio).
One thing, however, became readily apparent as the day went on. I noticed every house sporting a McCain sign also displayed the flag. So, I kept a mental log at each house with the candidate's signs. The final tally of flag-adorned houses:
Houses with McCain signs--Five
Houses with Obama signs---Obama; i.e., Zero.

Take it for what it's worth.

18 saltmarsh  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:27:21pm

In all seriousness, morons are well represented. After they complete high school, we send them to college. Now who's really the morons.

19 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #3 rawmuse

Great movie, Muse! My favorite western and my favorite Clint Eastwood movie...great lines, great acting, great score....great everything

20 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:28:01pm

re: #15 conservativeChick

Well isn't this special: 'Family Guy' Character Wears Nazi Uniform With McCain-Palin Button
Go F*ck yourself McFartlane you socialist pinko commie PIG! G-D! I just can't take it with all this teens drinking everything this guy says on his tasteless, unfunny shows. You would think he would appreciate America more since McFartlane almost got killed on 9/11(his flight got canceled). But being a socialist liberal I guess that doesn't apply to him. What a scumbag.

This is Holocaust Denial, plain and simple. If EVERYONE'S Hitler, then no one is.

21 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:28:12pm

Powerline talks about Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defeat, er, Defense, in the Obamanation.

Hagel has the IQ of a houseplant, could he really be SecDef, could that possibly work, or would we simply have a military coup?

22 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:28:14pm

FBV, if you're still here you wanted bubblewrap?

23 Teacake!  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:28:50pm

What I really don't understand is why his supporters don't care how much the guy lies. All the crap about Bush lied people died - and this guy is caught lying all the time. Not only lies, but certainly abuses his power constantly. So many red flags and these morons find so many excuses to dismiss it all, sort of like being in a highly dysfunctional relationship... but I love him... he lies, he has things taken off of You Tube, he has Jerome Corsi deported on his fact finding mission, what else? The list is so long.

Would anyone here hire someone like this? He has so much to hide as well which they don't care about either. Obviously if all this were going on with McCain, he would have been toast long ago. Would anyone date a guy like this? (other than michelle)

24 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:29:01pm

2004 I knew polls were wrong in Nevada
This year not so sure. Obama people everywhere. I do enjoy answering when they ask me if I will vote for their Messiah. Sorry , dont vote for anyone who could tolerate Jeremiah Wright for 20 yrs.

25 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:29:02pm

re: #15 conservativeChick

Well isn't this special: 'Family Guy' Character Wears Nazi Uniform With McCain-Palin Button
Go F*ck yourself McFartlane you socialist pinko commie PIG! G-D! I just can't take it with all this teens drinking everything this guy says on his tasteless, unfunny shows. You would think he would appreciate America more since McFartlane almost got killed on 9/11(his flight got canceled). But being a socialist liberal I guess that doesn't apply to him. What a scumbag.

I am never watching Family Guy again.

26 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:30:01pm

re: #5 nigella

Great quote! Unfortunately for Obama Joe the Plumber asked the right question and Obama gave the wrong answer!

And if 65% of dems disapprove of Joe, then maybe 35% of the LIKE him and every % point helps us.

27 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:30:14pm

re: #16 swamprat

Wish I could take responsibility for it, but it is not original.
But I think it is a quote from a Democrat, one of the unabashed ones.
I am thinking Jesse Unruh.

28 swamprat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:30:28pm

re: #18 saltmarsh
They have their own sub-culture. You can see the "slow children at play" signs

Later when they become employed you can see the "slow men at work" signs

it's all good

29 wright1  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:31:16pm

I just got back from a weekend in Vermont & New Hampshire. Lovely country but man it is liberal land. Obama signs everywhere. I felt like an endangered species. And under the Dem Administration and Dem version of the ESA, I would not be protected.

So, anyway, if you read the MSM and you live in states like Vermont. N.H. or in my state, N.J. , you may think this is over. However, I am not willing to buy the hype. I know Brokaw would like to interview BHO's cabinet members and Matthews is waiting for McCain to come on his show to concede to save us all the trouble, but I am of the belief that we may have a Truman defeats Dewey headline awaiting us. For those who live in battleground states, your view? What are you hearing?

30 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:31:22pm

re: #25 TheMatrix31

I am never watching Family Guy again.

A show with an evil infant just ain't my thing. They just seem like libs

31 swamprat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:31:36pm

re: #27 rawmuse

It's a gem, none the less.

32 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #25 TheMatrix31

I haven't watch them in over a year. I see that am not missing much. That show is unfunny and should of stayed dead and buried! South Park is funner and better. Take my word for it.

33 Teacake!  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:32:30pm

Oh yeah, I've even heard people say that George Soros is a really great guy who has done so much good. So, telling them that BO is his puppet doesn't worry them.

All I can say is if obama is elected no one will ever vote Dem again. If the damage is reversible that is.

34 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:32:35pm

re: #15 conservativeChick

Well isn't this special: 'Family Guy' Character Wears Nazi Uniform With McCain-Palin Button
Go F*ck yourself McFartlane you socialist pinko commie PIG! G-D! I just can't take it with all this teens drinking everything this guy says on his tasteless, unfunny shows. You would think he would appreciate America more since McFartlane almost got killed on 9/11(his flight got canceled). But being a socialist liberal I guess that doesn't apply to him. What a scumbag.

Take note, Nazism = National Socialism. It had a racist bent to go with it, race based collectivism.

Now, who in this election is promoting socialism? And who in this election was a member of a racist church for some twenty years and has racist friends? From what I've seen of Obama, via postmodernism, he is race obsessed.

If anyone can be accused of being a Nazi, it's clearly Obama. That he is a Nazi, I don't know, but he has some of the essential elements.

35 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:32:49pm

re: #30 SpartanWoman

A Gay and evil baby as McFartlane said in a interview. What a nutcase.

36 So?  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:33:19pm

re: #30 SpartanWoman

A show with an evil infant just ain't my thing. They just seem like libs

What are you going to boycott next? Saran Wrap. Only libs reheat food.

37 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #29 wright1

I've been boring everyone to death with the assertion that McCain will win Missouri. I stand by it.

38 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:33:25pm

president -elect Obama makes me so sick I want to puke. Please everyone do something,here in Nevada there are still many Jews voting for Obama,I am trying to work this crowd. McCain will do better than Bush among Jews but McCain did not engage this community at all and there are 80,000 Jews here.

39 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:33:45pm

re: #26 SpartanWoman

And if 65% of dems disapprove of Joe, then maybe 35% of the LIKE him and every % point helps us.

So 65% of democrats disapprove of Joe, and dems are about 45-50% of the population. So that means only 25-30% of the population doesn't like Joe. The other 70-75% do.

40 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:33:47pm

re: #20 Palandine

This is Holocaust Denial, plain and simple. If EVERYONE'S Hitler, then no one is.

Great point. Never thought of it that way before. I thought it was just a garden variety juvenile minded insult.

41 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:34:05pm

re: #29 wright1

I just got back from a weekend in Vermont & New Hampshire. Lovely country but man it is liberal land. Obama signs everywhere. I felt like an endangered species. And under the Dem Administration and Dem version of the ESA, I would not be protected.

So, anyway, if you read the MSM and you live in states like Vermont. N.H. or in my state, N.J. , you may think this is over. However, I am not willing to buy the hype. I know Brokaw would like to interview BHO's cabinet members and Matthews is waiting for McCain to come on his show to concede to save us all the trouble, but I am of the belief that we may have a Truman defeats Dewey headline awaiting us. For those who live in battleground states, your view? What are you hearing?

Lots of McCain signs in safe NJ neighborhoods, by safe I mean like minded places where you don't expect vandals. In neighborhoods with high traffic less signs. When I see empty yards that are normally peppered with Dem signs, I take encouragement that perhaps a PUMA lives there!

42 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:36:17pm

Who can I contact about the Family Guy thing?

43 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:36:19pm

re: #40 rawmuse

Great point. Never thought of it that way before. I thought it was just a garden variety juvenile minded insult.

Arguments about political values usually gravitate toward someone getting called that. This person is called the Designated Hitler.

44 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:37:16pm

re: #42 TheMatrix31

I would guess Fox. Good luck with that.

45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:37:22pm

re: #37 Palandine

I've been boring everyone to death with the assertion that McCain will win Missouri. I stand by it.

Where are you in MO.?

46 wright1  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:37:27pm

re: #37 Palandine


Not boring to me - love to hear it. Hope and pray it is true.

47 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:37:55pm

re: #40 rawmuse

Great point. Never thought of it that way before. I thought it was just a garden variety juvenile minded insult.

For a year I received Rolling Stone magazine. Never ordered it, never paid for it, it just arrived. When Giuliani was still in the running, Matt Taibi wrote an article with the assertion that Giuliani was worse than Hitler.

Once you start with the assertion that a linguine-spined moderate like Bush is Hitler, you really have no where to go. McCain will win, and he's even more moderate than Bush (we will have to hold his feet to the fire) and was the media's bestest buddy for 7 years, yet he too will be worse than Hitler. It'd be laughable if people didn't actually believe it.

48 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:37:59pm

re: #44 conservativeChick

I would guess Fox. Good luck with that.

I searched "Fox Contact Information" and nothing concrete came up.

49 ghost707  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:38:18pm

...A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed.

Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on Campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.'

Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.' The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back,

'That's a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!' The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

50 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:38:22pm

re: #38 vegasjew

president -elect Obama makes me so sick I want to puke. Please everyone do something,here in Nevada there are still many Jews voting for Obama,I am trying to work this crowd. McCain will do better than Bush among Jews but McCain did not engage this community at all and there are 80,000 Jews here.

Lieberman needs to sh** or get off the pot.

51 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:38:49pm

I will try Fox Broadcasting.

52 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:39:09pm

re: #29 wright1

Whereabouts in NH were you?

53 wright1  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:39:23pm

re: #41 SpartanWoman


Right but while I am optimistic we will win despite the hype, N.J. is such a Dem state and a political cesspool that I cannot see it going for McCain. Of course I hope to be proven wrong.

54 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:39:39pm

sarah coming here Tuesday
should help

55 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:39:55pm

re: #48 TheMatrix31

Try contacting the guys at Newsbusters. They might have it.

56 Syrah  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:39:55pm

re: #25 TheMatrix31

Consider chucking the whole TV.

TV is a passive time-sink. So much does not happen when the TV is on.

57 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:40:02pm

re: #43 Moe Katz

Designated Hitler? That is truly unfortunate, as it it a sure fire sign of a) intellectual poverty and/or b) begging to be punched in the nose.

58 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:40:48pm

re: #15 conservativeChick
Just fucking sickening.

59 J.S.  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:40:49pm

re: #15 conservativeChick

I suspect that the whole business with the "baby" (Stewie) is a take off, or a borrowing from Gunter Grass and The Tin Drum...Grass (a German) recently revealed that he was a member of the Waffen-SS. Figures, I guess...I never liked Grass.

60 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:40:56pm

re: #53 wright1

Right but while I am optimistic we will win despite the hype, N.J. is such a Dem state and a political cesspool that I cannot see it going for McCain. Of course I hope to be proven wrong.

Well we do have a lot of PUMAs here so you never know. It might be a tighter election than we think as many Hillary people aren't out there yelling Nobama

61 odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:40:56pm

re: #29 wright1

I just got back from a weekend in Vermont & New Hampshire. Lovely country but man it is liberal land. Obama signs everywhere. I felt like an endangered species. And under the Dem Administration and Dem version of the ESA, I would not be protected.

So, anyway, if you read the MSM and you live in states like Vermont. N.H. or in my state, N.J. , you may think this is over. However, I am not willing to buy the hype. I know Brokaw would like to interview BHO's cabinet members and Matthews is waiting for McCain to come on his show to concede to save us all the trouble, but I am of the belief that we may have a Truman defeats Dewey headline awaiting us. For those who live in battleground states, your view? What are you hearing?

I am not buying any of the polls. I have seen hardly any Obama signs in Libby Land So Cal. There were 10x as many Kerry/Edwards stickers in 2004.

In fact, even today I still see more Kerry/Edwards stickers on cars than Obama stickers, even in the parking lot of WHOLE FOODS.

I get a sick feeling every time I see an Obama sticker so I am hyper sensitive to it but HONESTLY I have been baffled at the lack of signs.

62 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:41:02pm

The wrong question:
Senator Obama, what was your relationship with Bill Ayers?
The right question:
Senator Obama, will you pursue the same failed radical socialist changes in education as you did while spending over $50 million of other peoples money, with ZERO results, working with the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers?

Power to the Correct People!
(They ask the right questions.)

63 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:41:40pm

re: #45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Where are you in MO.?

People's Republic of St. Louis, but I drive a lot to Bourbon and Ironton and all around mid-Missouri to fish and camp.

When Santa brings me a digital camera this Christmas, I'm going to make the water tower marked "Bourbon" my avatar. :)

64 AussieMarcus  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:42:00pm

re: #29 wright1

I thought New Hampshire was a marginal swing state? Haven't the Palins been spending some time up that way recently?

65 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:42:16pm

re: #49 ghost707

Niiiice. up-ding for you, wish I could give you two.

66 Macker  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:42:51pm

re: #61 odinga

What gets me is that when I encounter vehicles with Obama stickers...they're either foreign SUVs/sports cars...or hybrid vehicles.

67 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:43:06pm

re: #64 AussieMarcus

Yes - she was here last week, and Senator Mc will be here this week.

68 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:43:57pm

re: #23 Teacake!

I don't know about dating him, my wife might get jealous.

In addition to being vacuous and prone to exaggeration and outright deceit, Obama is also ambitious. So great is his desire for this job and all the power, fame and fortune it entails, that he is will apparently say whatever is necessary to whom ever it is necessary to say it to.

Add that to the fact that he has completely altered the way Presidents in the USA get elected now with his fundraising strategy. From this point on, BIG money will be needed to win the Presidential election. By the time this race is over, he will have out spent what Kerry and Bush spent in 2004 combined. Where some of this money is coming from is anyone's guess. Some or maybe even most are small time donors, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is the sneaky and shady contributors Obama is getting money from that bothers me. Anyone who gives a lot of money is expecting more than the Chris Matthews type sensation up one's leg...they want influence. Question is WHO wants that influence?

And, add the fact that his associations with ACORN and their ilk make this election the most corrupt of modern times. How many dead, illegal, non-residence, phony, fake and double/triple voters will cast a vote for Obama? His ground troops have one goal on their minds and it does not matter how or by what means, just as long as their "Great Leader" gets in.

And, finally, add that to his willingness to make nice with a rather large assortment of radical and unsavory associations when it suits him politically.
He is a train wreck waiting to happen. Unfortunately, we are all on board with him.....

69 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:44:27pm

re: #48 TheMatrix31

Try your local station. This all I can do.

70 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:44:50pm

re: #57 rawmuse

Designated Hitler? That is truly unfortunate, as it it a sure fire sign of a) intellectual poverty and/or b) begging to be punched in the nose.

Wow, a strong response to a harmlessly intended bit of wordplay....

71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:46:39pm

re: #63 Palandine

People's Republic of St. Louis, but I drive a lot to Bourbon and Ironton and all around mid-Missouri to fish and camp.

When Santa brings me a digital camera this Christmas, I'm going to make the water tower marked "Bourbon" my avatar. :)

LOL! I didn't know the was a Boubon, MO.

72 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:46:44pm

re: #25 TheMatrix31

I am never watching Family Guy again.

I came to the same conclusion long ago, just watching the show itself.

73 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:47:07pm

re: #70 Moe Katz

Wow, a strong response to a harmlessly intended bit of wordplay....

I meant to the person calling another "Hitler". Fighting language. That is what that is called. Usually followed by fist play.

No offense to you is intended.

74 wright1  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:47:31pm

re: #64 AussieMarcus

I thought New Hampshire was a marginal swing state? Haven't the Palins been spending some time up that way recently?

You would never know it - but then again I was in Hanover which is where Dartmouth is and it is big time Dem. All those rich kids who feel guilt about being born into money so they are big libs. Plus, it is a breeding ground educationally for the Hate America crowd. I walked into the Dartmouth bookstore - all Hate Bush, conservatives, yada yada. I was getting ill when I saw Obama's book on his faith in the Religion section! No kidding! As if he was a prophet or something.

75 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:47:35pm

Joe the Plumbah!

Not Obamah!

Palin/Plumber in 2012!

76 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:47:50pm

I always wonder why Ayers' piece was published on September 11th. Most say bad luck but given his associations with Khalidi, et al are we really sure he did not expect the world to tremble helplessly and side with him and his ilk? Even if he had a week in mind, why that week?

Everytime I think of Ayers and his skeevy wife I get nauseated,longish ayres tape with part of hillary debate

77 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:48:39pm

I don't get the Obama thing. I mean, he's bored me from the start.

78 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:48:52pm

re: #73 rawmuse

I meant to the person calling another "Hitler". Fighting language. That is what that is called. Usually followed by fist play.

No offense to you is intended.

Oh, I see. Then you will permit me to add that there no Designated Hitler in the National Socialist League.

79 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:48:55pm

McCain is spending so much time in PA
these polls just have to be wrong. If he were really down 12 in PA, I think all PA stops would shift to OHIO and VA and MO where he must win ALL.

80 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:48:59pm

re: #72 gmsc

I came to the same conclusion long ago, just watching the show itself.


It really does not appeal to me on its own lack of merits.

81 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:49:01pm

re: #42 TheMatrix31

Who can I contact about the Family Guy thing?

The network will ignore you. Hit 'em where it hurts, and write the advertisers. Express your shock that they would financially support jokes about Nazi references.

82 gman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:49:29pm

re: #17 solomonpanting

I spent part of the day doing a tour of Craftsman-style houses in Pasadena. While driving from house to house I noticed Obama signs outnumbered McCain signs about four to one, perhaps twenty Obama signs to five for McCain (actually, I expected a greater ratio).
One thing, however, became readily apparent as the day went on. I noticed every house sporting a McCain sign also displayed the flag. So, I kept a mental log at each house with the candidate's signs. The final tally of flag-adorned houses:
Houses with McCain signs--Five
Houses with Obama signs---Obama; i.e., Zero.

Take it for what it's worth.

The flag is nationalistic nonsense to Obama supporters, at least until the day they need to hide behind it.

83 AussieMarcus  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:49:31pm

I keep hearing different things about which states are in play, who's doing well here, who's struggling there, etc. From overseas it's difficult to get a true idea of the situation. So can I ask you guys to put away the conservative badges for a minute and try to be as honest and impartial as possible..

Which red states are genuinely at risk of being lost?
Which blue states does McCain/Palin have a genuine chance of winning?

Any reasons for the above would be great too.

84 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:50:30pm

re: #71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL! I didn't know the was a Boubon, MO.

A shot of Bourbon

85 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:50:32pm

re: #81 gmsc

Good point. I didn't think of that. That will really get them. Thanks gmsc!

86 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:50:49pm

re: #78 Moe Katz

Oh, I see. Then you will permit me to add that there no Designated Hitler in the National Socialist League.

What is that?

87 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:51:33pm

re: #86 rawmuse

What is that?

There is no Designated Hitter in the National Baseball League. A failed pun

88 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:51:36pm

re: #85 conservativeChick

Good point. I didn't think of that. That will really get them. Thanks gmsc!

You're welcome.

89 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:51:57pm

re Aussie
he could lose NM COLO VA OHIO FLA
he has shot to pick up PA NH
though traditionally you have to be about 5 % ahead in OHIO to be even in PA

90 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:52:08pm

re: #87 Moe Katz

Next time, rim shot.

91 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:52:20pm

re: #74 wright1

That's what always confused me about the NorthEast. Those states are so lily-white some people probably only see minorities on t.v. But somehow they feel guilty for their oppression.

/kooky

92 BigPapa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:52:29pm

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

Ya think?

93 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:53:00pm
94 J.S.  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:53:35pm

re: #83 AussieMarcus

RealClear Politics has an electoral map...here...

95 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:53:38pm

Speaking of der Nazionalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei:
The Obama Salute's Creepy predecessor.

96 wright1  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:54:06pm

re: #83 AussieMarcus

It is difficult to answer because the polls are driven by idealogue pollsters to alter the ultimate poll - election day. Hard to say if Florida and Ohio are in BHO's camp or Colorodo. You cannot trust the polls because the are driven by agenda. Gore and Kerry were wrong. So, we have to assume BHO is wrong too. But having said that, McCain needs Ohio and Florida and Colorodo or some other surprise state like Minnesota

97 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:54:07pm

Obama clarifies that he actually told Joe the Plumber:

"Spread the health around."

Meaning he wants people to exercise more.

And eat fewer fried foods.

"You don't think I'd say something as stupid as 'Spread the wealth around' do ya?" he asked of nodding, chuckling reporters. "

That would be so petit bourgeois," he added.

98 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:55:05pm

re: #79 vegasjew

McCain is spending so much time in PA
these polls just have to be wrong. If he were really down 12 in PA, I think all PA stops would shift to OHIO and VA and MO where he must win ALL.

The big thing is, Pa. now has 1.2 million more registered Dems. than Reps. ACORN registered 600,000 this year. But yeah, something is up here and I sense it two. We're not dead yet.

99 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:55:25pm

re: #97 profitsbeard

So he's saying we need to eat more arugula?

100 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:56:01pm

Here's my submission to my local FOX affiliate;

---
I can honestly say I've never been truly offended by anything I've seen on a sitcom, but tonight's Family Guy episode broke that trend.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

In this episode, Stewie, dressed up as a Nazi, has a McCain/Palin button on the uniform.

How offensive is this? Well, consider the fact that millions of people are going to see this episode and have the disgusting idea perpetuated in their minds that John McCain, Sarah Palin, Republicans, Conservatives, etc are Nazis. That is not fair, and is absolutely ridiculous, especially considering that John McCain spent 5 years of his life being tortured for Seth McFarlane's right to make such distasteful jokes and insinuations.

I didn't know who to contact, so I contacted my local FOX affiliate. I will never watch another episode of Family Guy (or American Dad, for that matter) again.

Thank you.
---

Where can I find a list of their sponsors?

101 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:56:37pm

re: #83 AussieMarcus

Virginia, Indiana, Colorado, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Missouri and N. Dakota are in play for Obama.

McCain is really not looking good in any "Blue" states

He has to repeat Bush 2004 to win and if Obama takes more than a few of the ones list above, it's over. The popular vote does not matter this time around, because that will be close. If McCain does not get it going, it is looking grim.

Of course, it is hard to tell with the polls this time around. They are not accurately reflecting the actualities. I would guess there is a skew leaning towards the Democrats not only in the press, but the polls. McCain can always count on more voters than the pollsters are guessing. BUT, Obama is getting more voters out this time around too.....he is certainly more motivating that JFingKerry ever was

Read it and Weep

But, fear not, that is why they have the elections.....to see who wins, it is not over yet.

102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:56:44pm

Zogby has Obama up 2.7%, a statistical tie.

103 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:56:46pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31

Where can I find a list of their sponsors?

On the shelves of your local supermarket.

104 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:57:08pm

Biden was in Mesilla, NM (suburb of Las Cruces) on Friday - 2500 people
Paden was in Roswell today - 10,000 people

105 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:57:44pm

re aussie
on that map McCain would have to win all the grey states flip VA and Obama would have 273
McCain would still need Colo or Pa or NM
a possibility with a win in NH flip VA win the greys for a 269-269 tie

106 Ghost707  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:57:57pm

Make no mistake, America is PISSED at what Obama and the MSM have done to Joe the Plumber.
There will be retribution at the polls - unlike anything in this country's history.

Obama is going to lose this one.

107 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:58:52pm

re: #98 x-wing

The big thing is, Pa. now has 1.2 million more registered Dems. than Reps. ACORN registered 600,000 this year. But yeah, something is up here and I sense it two. We're not dead yet.

Some of the Pennsy dems were Operation Chaos types

108 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:59:02pm

re: #102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Look at the state races....Obama does.....he does not care about the popular vote...he is looking at the electoral votes. He barely beat Hillary in the votes casts, but he won big in delegates. He is running a smart campaign. Watch the state polls this week....they should start showing the pendulum swinging a little for McCain....I hope it's enough

109 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:59:03pm

re: #104 Onamesa

Biden was in Mesilla, NM (suburb of Las Cruces) on Friday - 2500 people
Paden was in Roswell today - 10,000 people

Damn. That is like a 4X increase in an area that has 1/4 the population.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:59:10pm

re: #104 Onamesa

Biden was in Mesilla, NM (suburb of Las Cruces) on Friday - 2500 people
Paden was in Roswell today - 10,000 people

Did she find any aliens (illegal or otherwise)?

/kidding

111 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:59:30pm

re: #94 J.S. Hey thanks for the chucle - they have West Virginia as a toss up state!
LOL!
The original "Bitter, Angry White people clinging to their guns and their faith" state! LOL!

Also, I disagree with them about North Carolina (where I live) = have seen mucho McCain signs, only one Obama sign and that was actually a bumper sticker on a fast moving car!

112 neocon hippie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 9:59:53pm

For solidly-based optimism and anti-Eeyore enthusiasm, check out the Hillbuzz blog. This collective of midwestern gay PUMAs are great.

113 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:00:19pm

re: #111 realwest

Hey thanks for the chucle - they have West Virginia as a toss up state!
LOL!
The original "Bitter, Angry White people clinging to their guns and their faith" state! LOL!

Also, I disagree with them about North Carolina (where I live) = have seen mucho McCain signs, only one Obama sign and that was actually a bumper sticker on a fast moving car!

What part of the state are you in, central, piedmont, where?

114 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:00:35pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31

Where can I find a list of their sponsors?

Here's a good place to start.

Finding a list of sponsors via Google is tough, especially as you have to weed through all the news stories about that show losing sponsors.

115 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:00:51pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

Look at the state races....Obama does.....he does not care about the popular vote...he is looking at the electoral votes. He barely beat Hillary in the votes casts, but he won big in delegates. He is running a smart campaign. Watch the state polls this week....they should start showing the pendulum swinging a little for McCain....I hope it's enough


In the primary Obama won mostly red states, Hillary won the big blues and many big blues felt cheated

116 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:00:55pm

I honestly think that the Dems and Obama are behind a national voter fraud attempt. I wish Bush would get off his ass. He is such a whooose. Can you imagine LBJ in similar circumstances?

117 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:00:56pm

bad news you can get 640 for every 100 wagered on Mccain at Matchbook.com a very sharp site. Hard to believe insider money with access to good internals are not wagering there. Have to go throw up excuse me. Though I did get my Ayers flyer in the mail today.

118 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #107 SpartanWoman

Some of the Pennsy dems were Operation Chaos types

Yeah, alot did switch back though, claiming they felt creepy being a Dem. True story one of the election bosses said it on t.v.

119 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:01:48pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31
Nice letter - for a list of their sponsors, however, I'm afraid you'll have to watch it again and take notes!

120 Syrah  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:01:56pm

re: #61 odinga

I am not buying any of the polls. I have seen hardly any Obama signs in Libby Land So Cal. There were 10x as many Kerry/Edwards stickers in 2004.

In fact, even today I still see more Kerry/Edwards stickers on cars than Obama stickers, even in the parking lot of WHOLE FOODS.

I get a sick feeling every time I see an Obama sticker so I am hyper sensitive to it but HONESTLY I have been baffled at the lack of signs.

I wonder if all the Obama signage money has been diverted to TV spots.

121 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:02:04pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31

Where can I find a list of their sponsors?

Here's a more specific link than my previous one.

122 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:02:55pm

re: #102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil Yup, I mentioned that waaay back in the Dead Thread this morning - but it was released before Sir Colin announced he'd sold out his soul.

123 conservativeChick  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:02:58pm

re: #114 gmsc

Thank you so much! I was looking everywhere for a list of there sponsors.

124 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:03:05pm

If any of you are registered at Amazon, go there and write some negative reviews for the many Ayers books for sale there. I wrote 2, but mine were the only ones there, the rest were all bunny rabbits and unicorns.

125 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:03:21pm

re: #121 gmsc

Here's a more specific link than my previous one.

Thanks! I'll check it out.

126 SpartanWoman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:04:22pm

re: #118 x-wing

Yeah, alot did switch back though, claiming they felt creepy being a Dem. True story one of the election bosses said it on t.v.

And a lot were too busy to "switch back" or worried that their townships would see them for Rush people and hassle them.

127 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:06:08pm

re: #101 Desert Dog
"BUT, Obama is getting more voters out this time around too" I'm not so sure of that. Obama has registered more voters it's true (especially if you include the ACORN voters) but most of them are very young, college age types and that particular political group has historically, at least, had the LOWEST turn out of voters in history.
As for ACORN, well, they gotta count on being able to find the homeless and the drug addicts to drag their asses to the polls!

128 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:06:56pm

re: #9 rawmuse

Morons make up a certain percentage of the population, the actual amount is in dispute at the moment. But, whatever the percentage, always remember,
they deserve representation as well, and, by all evidence, they get it, in spades.

Two factoids,
1. half the population is of below average intelligence.
2. One in five people have some sort of serious mental problem. Consider your four closest friends, If they are normal, guess who isn't? (Yes, I have four normal friends, but am searching for one very weird one just for statistical purposes.)

129 least  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:07:49pm

So let's review.
A) - who really came to know the true cost of defending this nation - has decided that he'd rather have as Commander-in-Chief B)- whose strongest base is composed of like-minded folks who considered A) - and others like him - to be murderous, genocidal, baby killin' mother rapers.
A) has chosen to support B) instead of supporting C) - who really paid a stiff price for defending this nation.

Bizzaro logic.

There was a time when I considered Colin Powell to be CIC material -- that was before he got all "inside the beltway"ish and thought it better to dialog with evil rather than confront it. And obviously considers honor and duty to be outmoded concepts.

130 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:07:58pm

re: #1 aunursa

Congratulation to Tampa Bay!

Whew! They did it. I'm an NL fan but still hoping there wasn't going to be a Buckner interruption to a great season.

131 J.S.  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:08:15pm

re: #111 realwest

Yeah....the polls...I'd have to check out their methodology...see just what's up...I heard something about Gallup polls and changes to the margin of error stat...again, have to check...what has Gallup changed? and why? (the margin of error is typically calculated by dividing 98% by the square root of the sample size)...

132 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:08:36pm

this early voting is such a sham . Acorn all set up here from primary battle with Hillary. They sober these guys up register them , the get them to early voting.

133 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:09:17pm

re: #113 Moe Katz
Western Piedmont - Charlotte - ya know the Soutern city where a lot of former NY, NJ and CONN folks come to find work!

134 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:10:39pm

re: #109 pat
Sorry, I meant Palin.

I think it explains why we are getting so many calls from the Obama campaign. Our family are all registered Republicans. He needs NM.
Plus, it's heavily Catholic and the Archbishops and Bishops are stepping up the pressure on their parishoners to vote for pro-life candidates.
My best friend lives in Hershey, PA and she told me that there was an insert in her Sunday RC church newletter outlining the positions of Senator Obama and Senator McCain. Also, Bishop Martino in the Diocese of Scranton wrote a serious letter to all the parishoners in Scranton reminding them of the Church's position on abortion. I believe this could have a huge effect on PA. Senator Obama's record on the Born Alive Act is not in his favor.

135 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:11:37pm

re: #120 Syrah
I really doubt that - hell his campaign said that Obama received $150,000,000 in September ALONE.
They have plenty of dough for everything.

136 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:11:45pm

re: #133 realwest

Western Piedmont - Charlotte - ya know the Soutern city where a lot of former NY, NJ and CONN folks come to find work!

Not to mention the attraction of NASCAR :)

137 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:12:13pm

re: #56 Syrah

Consider chucking the whole TV.

TV is a passive time-sink. So much does not happen when the TV is on.

Except laughter at 2 1/2 men.

138 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:12:17pm

re: #126 SpartanWoman

And a lot were too busy to "switch back" or worried that their townships would see them for Rush people and hassle them.

I totally agree, they will change back after the election I'm sure. I'm in a union and I haven't heard one pro- That One yet.

I think we're gonna deliver this state for Mac/Palin

139 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:12:27pm

Sean Penn visits Venezuela's Chavez for 2nd time

I guess Fidel is just not up to having visitors anymore.

140 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:12:39pm

re: #135 realwest

I really doubt that - hell his campaign said that Obama received $150,000,000 in September ALONE.
They have plenty of dough for everything.

Good; let him spend it buying pie for everyone - he can leave my money alone.

141 krycek  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:12:44pm

re: #3 rawmuse

Tonight we watched the new DVD release of "The Outlaw Jose Wales", 1976.
Besides being a superlative story, the sound score of the movie is excellent.
There were some cello parts in there that gave me chicken skin.
They just don't make them like that anymore.

My favorite Eastwood movie. So many great movie lines from that one. "Dyin ain't much of a livin boy." and "I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender." and a million more.

142 DisgustingOratory  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:13:16pm

re: #128 JeremyR

Don't forget, 1 in 3 people believes 9/11 was an "inside job".

143 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:14:41pm

re: #107 SpartanWoman

Some of the Pennsy dems were Operation Chaos types

And a boatload more of them are PUMAs. Hillary won PA pretty impressively, IIRC. Plus, PA is a major hunting state, and the rural folks do not appreciate being assessed by Obama as being "bitter, clinging to their guns and their religion".

Mac has a chance there, I believe. His internal polling must be showing him something, because he and Sarah are blitzing the state.

144 J.S.  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:14:47pm

re: #142 DisgustingOratory

whoa. I don't believe that stat -- unless you're talking about S. Arabia or the UK (heh)...

145 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:15:25pm

re: #134 Onamesa

Senator Obama's record on the Born Alive Act is not in his favor.

I saw a very defensive ad on that this evening. Obviously, McCain/Palin is hitting him where it hurts.

146 Spellcheck  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:17:04pm

re: #93 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Good NRA NObama commercial

I love those NRA ads! I've seen that particular one on TV a couple of times.

147 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:17:44pm

re: #145 victor_yugo
As they should. His record is disgraceful!

148 Syrah  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:18:54pm

re: #143 Intrepid

And a boatload more of them are PUMAs. Hillary won PA pretty impressively, IIRC. Plus, PA is a major hunting state, and the rural folks do not appreciate being assessed by Obama as being "bitter, clinging to their guns and their religion".

Mac has a chance there, I believe. His internal polling must be showing him something, because he and Sarah are blitzing the state.

That would be a hell of an upset.

If McCain can take Pennsylvania, he can win this thing.

149 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:19:23pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

Sean Penn visits Venezuela's Chavez for 2nd time

I guess Fidel is just not up to having visitors anymore.

I wonder if Danny Glover and Kevin Spacey have their boarding passes yet?

150 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:19:25pm

I want to know when the whole Odinga /Obama issue is going to be aired?

151 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:20:10pm

re: #145 victor_yugo
I wish the hell McCain would run an ad that says something to the effect of "What hope and what change; most of Obama's advisors are people who advised Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and he is the ONLY candidate for President in over 20 years to spurn public financing after pledging to accept it - in other words, he's getting too many donations from lobbysts and folks in the Middle East. And how did he defeat Hillary Clinton? Why with SuperDelegates, the 2008 version of old politicians sitting around in a smoke filled room - that's not change and it sure doesn't mean hope for a truly democratic and Free America."

152 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:20:17pm

The Catholic Church is doing a full court press saying that by voting for a pro-abortion candidate, you are participating in abortion. It's killing them, because the Church is also pro-union, pro-illegal immigration, and anti-death penalty, but they're taking their stand against a man who has a 100% NARAL rating and voted not to provide medical care to babies who survived abortion. Not all Catholics will follow that teaching, but some will. It's one thing to be pro-choice--it's another to be pro-infanticide.

153 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:20:21pm

Obama has a very dishonest ad going on in North Carolina right now where he has women saying "I used to believe in John McCain but he's against equal pay for women," etc.

No mention of the fact that McCain is paying the women on his own staff more than the men are getting (or that the women on Obama's staff are getting something like $.84 to the dollar compared to men.)

Obama is such a liar.

154 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:20:26pm

re: #139 solomonpanting

Sean Penn visits Venezuela's Chavez for 2nd time

I guess Fidel is just not up to having visitors anymore.

He's going there to give Hugo a shoulder to cry on. If oil prices get down below $85 and can stay there for a bit, Venezuela goes belly up.

(saw a link for that today....dang. Can't remember where!)

155 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:20:46pm

re: #143 Intrepid

Yes, Obama only carried 7 of our counties. They were all around Philly. Except for some areas aroud P-burg ,I can't see him taking the bitter clingy area. And that wont be enough to win. IMNSHO.

156 Spellcheck  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:22:02pm

re: #150 Onamesa

I want to know when the whole Odinga /Obama issue is going to be aired?

I haven't read it yet, but here's the latest.

Obama funded foreign thug who promised Islamic state

157 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:23:10pm

re: #153 Adina in Judea

Obama has a very dishonest ad going on in North Carolina right now where he has women saying "I used to believe in John McCain but he's against equal pay for women," etc.

No mention of the fact that McCain is paying the women on his own staff more than the men are getting (or that the women on Obama's staff are getting something like $.84 to the dollar compared to men.)

Obama is such a liar.

Yeah, that sexist McCain, picking a woman to be his Vice President. :)

People don't actually fall for that sort of thing, do they?

158 Opilio  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:23:51pm

re: #153 Adina in Judea

Obama has a very dishonest ad going on in North Carolina right now where he has women saying "I used to believe in John McCain but he's against equal pay for women," etc.

No mention of the fact that McCain is paying the women on his own staff more than the men are getting (or that the women on Obama's staff are getting something like $.84 to the dollar compared to men.)

That would seem like a pretty simple counter-ad to put together - Use the One's own words to point out his hypocrisy.
159 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:24:17pm

re: #152 Palandine

The Catholic Church is doing a full court press saying that by voting for a pro-abortion candidate, you are participating in abortion.

Good!

How can any Catholic vote for a pro-abortion stance that includes killing babies who survive abortions? Obama's reasoning for wanting to have babies killed if they survive abortions is that it would go against the mother's intentions to save a baby's life if he or she survived the abortion.

So, the person wanting another person dead has to be given more consideration than the innocent person who is trying to stay alive?

This is Obama in a nutshell.

I hope the Catholic Church clobbers him.

160 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:24:45pm

re: #155 x-wing

Yes, Obama only carried 7 of our counties. They were all around Philly. Except for some areas aroud P-burg ,I can't see him taking the bitter clingy area. And that wont be enough to win. IMNSHO.

What's the breakdown in population of a) Urban centers where Obama is likely to win, and b) Bitter/Clingy areas where he's not likely to do so?

161 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:24:48pm

re: #151 realwest

"What hope and what change?"

I've seen a couple ads that push that line. The "Change!" mantra is the emptiest slogan in recent memory.

My take on it: "Change what, From what, To what?"

162 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:25:42pm

A Campaign reduced to Obama- Whatever~!

The Rorschach Man in the Empty Suit.

(Which sounds like a Grahame Greene novel based on a Magritte painting.)

163 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:25:55pm

re: #156 Spellcheck
Thanks. I saw a series of articles on this at Gateway Pundit but nobody else seems to have picked it up.

164 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:25:59pm

re: #159 Adina in Judea

Good!

How can any Catholic vote for a pro-abortion stance that includes killing babies who survive abortions? Obama's reasoning for wanting to have babies killed if they survive abortions is that it would go against the mother's intentions to save a baby's life if he or she survived the abortion.

How could any HUMAN vote for that?

165 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:21pm

re: #143 Intrepid

I just wish my home state of Michigan would get the clue that the government it has has not delivered period on jobs, taxes, economic growth, etc because the State Government is too fat. I moved out West for job opportunities because Michigan is over flowing with skilled workers and not enough skilled jobs to go around!

166 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:26pm

re: #155 x-wing

As I recall, Opilio had some very detailed maps during the primaries that showed Obama taking the Philly area (of course) and the State College area. Period. I remember it because I was surprised that Hillary took Pittsburgh............and also because I wondered what that weird Obama spot was way out in the middle of nowhere! (We all determined that it was State College.)

167 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:31pm

Incredibly awesome ads:

[Link: www.neverfindout.org...]

Please email to all you know.

168 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:33pm

re: #154 Intrepid

He's going there to give Hugo a shoulder to cry on. If oil prices get down below $85 and can stay there for a bit, Venezuela goes belly up.

(saw a link for that today....dang. Can't remember where!)

The thing is , the USA is the only country paying full price for his oil. Since he nationalized oil,production has dropped 20-25 percent. He offers his "friends" discount oil prices,ie RFK Jr.

I still swear the fucking guy only made it through third grade.

169 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:37pm

I just don't know if this "Obama is a Socialist" strategy has merit.
The Clintons are both Third Way Socialists, hasn't hurt them.
W passed some of the most socialist bills in recent memory.
Nixon was a Big Gov. Republican.
The USA has been Socialist to some degree since the 16th Amendment (1913).

170 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:26:47pm

re: #154 Intrepid

He's going there to give Hugo a shoulder to cry on. If oil prices get down below $85 and can stay there for a bit, Venezuela goes belly up.

(saw a link for that today....dang. Can't remember where!)

I'd like to see Putin start sweating the drop in oil prices.

171 krycek  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:27:49pm

re: #149 victor_yugo

I wonder if Danny Glover and Kevin Spacey have their boarding passes yet?

If they love it so much. Why don't they get homes there and move their assets there. Put their money where their mouth is.

172 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:27:59pm

re: #169 rawmuse

I just don't know if this "Obama is a Socialist" strategy has merit.
The Clintons are both Third Way Socialists, hasn't hurt them.
W passed some of the most socialist bills in recent memory.
Nixon was a Big Gov. Republican.
The USA has been Socialist to some degree since the 16th Amendment (1913).

Crypto-Marxist is more accurate.

And sinister.

173 AussieMarcus  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:28:09pm

.........And many Hispanics are Catholic.

Could be a big problem for obama in Flordia, and New Mexico, maybe?

174 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:28:13pm

re: #159 Adina in Judea

Good!

How can any Catholic vote for a pro-abortion stance that includes killing babies who survive abortions? Obama's reasoning for wanting to have babies killed if they survive abortions is that it would go against the mother's intentions to save a baby's life if he or she survived the abortion.

So, the person wanting another person dead has to be given more consideration than the innocent person who is trying to stay alive?

This is Obama in a nutshell.

I hope the Catholic Church clobbers him.

Here is another conundrum for you:

The US Supreme Court says that it's unconstitutional for the State to execute a man for raping a child.

The US Supreme Court says the child has a Constitutional right to kill the child of the rapist, which happens to be her own child.

The US Supreme Court says that no adult, including the parents of the raped child, can interfere with (or even be notified of) the child's decision to kill the rapist's child.

Figure that one out.

175 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:28:31pm

Okay, y'all, I'm off to indulge my geeky side.

176 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:28:33pm

re: #167 Globular Cluster

Oh lordy, my favorite is the Chicken Button!

177 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:29:05pm

Reverend Jeremiah Wright is still the answer. Those clips are still toxic and will leave the final impression on enough of the undecided.However, McCain will not run them and will not allow any of the 527's to do it. I think if we lose that decision will be fatal.

178 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:29:25pm

re: #157 Palandine

Yeah, that sexist McCain, picking a woman to be his Vice President. :)

People don't actually fall for that sort of thing, do they?

Telling women what to do in a political ad probably won't go over well.

One of the things I love about John McCain's treatment of Sarah Palin is that he isn't hesitant to put her front and center (whereas Obambi is so determined to hog the spotlight that even his Obambi/Biden bumper stickers have "Biden" written in letters almost too light to read.)

John McCain loves it when the crowds go wild for Sarah Palin (and they do!)

I love a man who isn't threatened by a woman who gets so much attention.

Todd Palin absolutely rocks in this department, too, of course.

179 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:29:35pm

re: #153 Adina in Judea
Yeah, I've seen that ad several times myself and am totally mystified as to why McCain hasn't struck back the way you suggested.
But the problem with the Catholic Church in this country TODAY is that it has had more than it's share of scandals and I'm afraid a lot of Catholics (and certainly ALL of my Catholic friends) just don't pay attention to the Church on political matters - not even abortion.

180 welshgirl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:30:59pm

38 vegasjew
10/19/08 9:33:25 pm reply quote 0

president -elect Obama makes me so sick I want to puke. Please everyone do something,here in Nevada there are still many Jews voting for Obama,I am trying to work this crowd. McCain will do better than Bush among Jews but McCain did not engage this community at all and there are 80,000 Jews here.

*****We are coming to save you! We are Californians for McCain coming there Nov. 1.

181 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:31:19pm

re: #170 solomonpanting

I'd like to see Putin start sweating the drop in oil prices.

Oh yeah, especially in light of the fact that their stock market has tanked in the last few weeks. He must really be feeling the heat right about now.

Maybe his economic woes will temper his re-emerging neo-Soviet power plays across his border into the old states. (i.e. Georgia)

182 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:31:36pm

re: #177 vegasjew

Reverend Jeremiah Wright is still the answer. Those clips are still toxic and will leave the final impression on enough of the undecided.However, McCain will not run them and will not allow any of the 527's to do it. I think if we lose that decision will be fatal.

How can he stop the 527's from running them, since they're not associated with his campaign?

183 realwest  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:31:48pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep now!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Good night, all.

184 Opilio  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:33:54pm

re: #155 x-wing

Yes, Obama only carried 7 of our counties. They were all around Philly. Except for some areas aroud P-burg ,I can't see him taking the bitter clingy area. And that wont be enough to win. IMNSHO.

Here's a Dem Primary Results Map of PA, WV, OH, IN, and MD I threw together last Spring. Obama only took 2 counties with a significant margin. Clinton kicked his A** in the rest of the state.

185 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:33:59pm

re: #182 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He can't stop the 527's. He just won't endorse them.

186 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:34:05pm

re: #182 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

How can he stop the 527's from running them, since they're not associated with his campaign?

He can do what he did during the Primaries, condemn those running the ads.

187 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:34:51pm

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I'm starting to suspect that the world understands that America's economy would remain weak if socialists win the Presidential election in two weeks.

The world (even the first world) is teetering on the brink of financial collapse because of America's financial problems caused by the Democrats.

They may WANT America to be socialist - but can they afford it?

I don't think so.

188 Palandine  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:35:20pm

re: #159 Adina in Judea

Obama said he thought it would be used to infringe on a woman's right to choose....except that the version of the law he voted on is the same one that the US Congress voted unanimously on, and I believe it had a clause saying it was not a judgment on Roe vs Wade.

Even if it was, why not vote to wrap the babies in a blanket, give them oxygen, and adopt them out, and then say "I'll fight like hell against this being used to infringe abortion"? It says a lot about the man that in the sea of things he voted "present" for or didn't vote for at all, he went on the record with this one.

189 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:35:48pm

re: #159 Adina in Judea

I hope so, too. The diocese I am in (Virginia) is one of the most liberal in the country, but I must say that that they have been doing more to publicize the candidates views and to promote "voting for Life" than they have ever done before.
The Born-Alive-Baby Act is the main factor, but I have heard that the Vatican and bishops (especially 3rd world ones) are concerned that the US will go back to the Clinton years, when abortion was aggressively promoted worldwide w/ US tax dollars.

190 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:36:20pm

re: #186 rawmuse

He can do what he did during the Primaries, condemn those running the ads.

He slapped down the Tennessee Republicans and the North Carolina ones, IIRC, for running Wright ads. Neither state's party leaders were particularly thrilled with him after that.

191 Teacake!  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:36:39pm

I think an easy solution to prevent people from voting more than once on the actual election day is to stamp people's hand with an ink that won't wash off for 24 hours, sort of like getting stamped at a nightclub, which no one feels is violating their rights.

192 vegasjew  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:36:40pm

re welsh we need Nevada so TY
re Ozark obviously you dont believe that big $ organizers dont have a way to deal with the campaigns

193 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:36:59pm

re: #185 Onamesa

He can't stop the 527's. He just won't endorse them.

Then they should go for it!

McCain approves of his own campaign and he has input into the RNC, but the 527s ought to be able to do whatever they like (no matter what he's saying.)

They should run Rev Wright all day every day (everywhere or as much as the 527s can afford.)

194 Opilio  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:37:33pm

re: #166 wolfie

As I recall, Opilio had some very detailed maps during the primaries that showed Obama taking the Philly area (of course) and the State College area. Period. I remember it because I was surprised that Hillary took Pittsburgh............and also because I wondered what that weird Obama spot was way out in the middle of nowhere! (We all determined that it was State College.)

You remembered !!!!!

Opilio ♥ Wolfie

195 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:37:51pm

re: #157 Palandine

Yeah, that sexist McCain, picking a woman to be his Vice President. :)

People don't actually fall for that sort of thing, do they?

I got the whole Gov. Sarah Palin "Fish Bait" business from my brother. I would have torn him a new one but I was wishing him a happy birthday at the time so I bit my tongue.

196 Cartman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:38:11pm

re: #169 rawmuse

Ok, I'll give ya that. He's not a socialist. He's a communist.

197 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:38:25pm

re: #160 Intrepid

I can't find it right now I'll keep looking.

198 Cartman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:38:58pm

G'nite, R-Dubs.

199 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:39:12pm

re: #174 stuiec

I figured it out!
"The Constitution is whatever five of us say it is." - Justice Harry Blackmun

I want a prize!

200 Onamesa  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:39:41pm

re: #193 Adina in Judea

Adina, I agree! They have down ticket elections to worry about. If McCain doesn't have the stomach for it then I say too bad!

201 Cartman  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:41:03pm

Spread The Wealth Around™

202 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:41:05pm

re: #192 vegasjew

re welsh we need Nevada so TY
re Ozark obviously you dont believe that big $ organizers dont have a way to deal with the campaigns

No, I'm saying that the 527's are not a part of his campaign so they are not required to get his "permission" to run their ads. He might not like what they say, but he cannot stop them from running them.

203 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:41:07pm

If the 527s don't want to run Rev Wright alone in their ads, they should add up the entire list of shady and anti-American characters in the Obama Drama (including Rev Wright with his screaming at America.)

Added all up, it's devastating. Rev Wright alone is devastating, too.

What Obama is doing right now is a coup attempt (or a hostile takeover, since he's so well funded from outside the country.)

Rev Wright deserves to have his face and his voice all over American television for the things he said - and Obama deserves to have his 20 years with this man rubbed in his face.

This election is a matter of life and death for America.

204 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:42:20pm

re: #179 realwest

At least the ones who attend church will know Obama's position. Back in July, several surveys showed that nearly 1/2 of Americans thought Obama was pro-life. Seriously.

205 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:44:50pm

re: #194 Opilio

You bet I remembered!
Those were fantastic maps! :)

206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:46:05pm

re: #204 wolfie

At least the ones who attend church will know Obama's position. Back in July, several surveys showed that nearly 1/2 of Americans thought Obama was pro-life. Seriously.

He is pro-life. When it comes to the death penalty. Other than that.....

207 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:46:56pm

re: #191 Teacake!

I think an easy solution to prevent people from voting more than once on the actual election day is to stamp people's hand with an ink that won't wash off for 24 hours, sort of like getting stamped at a nightclub, which no one feels is violating their rights.

I'd agree with the hand stamp. Early voting has become a necessity, though, because of heavy turn out in some areas, and on a work day. But I'd suggest early voting at county offices, with a hand stamp, a document that the voter signs that clearly states "I have voted already on this date and I will not attempt to vote again under penalty of law", AND a good size staff who will reconcile the voting record every hour. On the day of the election, the names of the early voters will be on an Early Voter Special List, which is checked with each voter coming to vote.

Absentee voting should be limited to those who can give a good enough reason. And the voter information must agree with their registration information 100%, or the ballot doesn't count.

208 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:47:22pm

LGF not blocked from Kyrgyzstan.

209 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:48:30pm

re: #208 haakondahl

LGF not blocked from Kyrgyzstan.

Have you met Borat yet?

210 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:48:54pm

re: #208 haakondahl

LGF not blocked from Kyrgyzstan.

Missouri neither.

/

211 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:50:30pm

re: #206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I can't remember the exact figures, but roughly 80% believed he was either fully or moderately pro-life.......(w/ the latter being okay w/ abortion in the first tri-mester for reasonably serious reasons.)

How would people know otherwise? It's not as if we have a media that actually informs us about candidates' views and records on key issues.

This is NOT the Information Age, my friends. It is the Age of Disinformation.

212 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:51:05pm

re: #209 Colonel Panik

Have you met Borat yet?

Negative, Comrade. Most esteemed Borat is Kazakhstan man.

213 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:51:14pm

re: #208 haakondahl

LGF not blocked from Kyrgyzstan.

What are you doing there... lose a bet or something?

214 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:51:21pm

re: #208 haakondahl

LGF not blocked from Kyrgyzstan.

I give you an up ding for being able to spell it!

Safe travels, Haakondahl!

215 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:53:55pm

re: #213 stevieray

What are you doing there... lose a bet or something?

Um... travelling. Will say more later. But you could win a bet and go to KGstan. It is just beautiful here.

216 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:54:50pm

re: #212 haakondahl

Negative, Comrade. Most esteemed Borat is Kazakhstan man.

That's right, I'm getting my Stans mixed up.

217 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:54:57pm

re: #194 Opilio

You remembered !

Opilio ♥ Wolfie

Do you still have them? I'm terrible at trying to find this stuff. I was watching the news when they showed the map, and I didn't see any Obama counties past Lancaster or Lebanon.

218 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:57:13pm

Somewhere, Cher is celebrating...

Fashion critic Mr. Blackwell dies in Los Angeles

219 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:58:49pm

re: #215 haakondahl

Um... travelling. Will say more later. But you could win a bet and go to KGstan. It is just beautiful here.

Enjoy your stay there!

Send us lizards a few postcards!

220 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:59:32pm

Saw this on Hill Blog ......... I like it .....Good Night Lizards .....

Yippee kayay Mother F***er. I have not put up with all the bullpuckey of the last 20 months to turn tail and walk away. I give a real big damn about this country. If I didn't, I would have licked my wounds when they forced Hillary out and quit caring about any of it. You Pubs...you have no idea. Obama actually CLAIMED VICTORY when there were still 13 primaries to go. He did not have enough Super Delegates or regular Delegates. His merry band of Mujahideen at the DNC (Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Brazil) spred the tidings that Barack Obama had won. They said publically that Hillary Clinton had lost and she should just shut up and go home. She won 9 of those remaining primaries. They scammed the system, cheated at the polls, rigged the media and threatened all who stood in Obama's way and HE STILL LOST THE POPULAR VOTE.This was a constant barage to discourage CLinton voters and to keep them from showing up at the polls. Had the Convention been an honest one and contained an honest legitimate vote, Hillary would have taken it and Obama and the DNC knew it. This is not me pontificating. This is a fact. They threatened delegates and worse. They negotiated an abbreviated, illegitimate & illegal roll call vote. What you all saw on tv...that was Obama Masterpiece Theater. So smok 'em if you got 'em and no sniveling allowed. We have come to far too retreat.

McCain/Palin 2008 ....... we can win

221 wolfie  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 10:59:57pm

re: #217 x-wing

Check out Opilio's post #184 above. He has a link.

222 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:01:22pm

re: #218 stevieray

Somewhere, Cher is celebrating...

And that Bork chick, or whatever her name is - the one who wore the swan on the red carpet one year.

223 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:04:33pm

re: #214 Intrepid

I give you an up ding for being able to spell it!

Safe travels, Haakondahl!

Thank you! Safe travels are indeed a goal.

224 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:04:35pm

re: #170 solomonpanting

I'd like to see Putin start sweating the drop in oil prices.

A couple of good links on how the drop in oil prices is affecting oil-based economies:

Venezuela: Oil falls below $80, “Baby needs a new pair of shoes.”

Iran's Fear of Low Oil Prices

225 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:06:11pm

re: #220 JacksonTn
I take it that you were originally a Hillary supporter? If I had been forced to choose between the leading Dems, I certainly would have taken that stance.

226 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:09:13pm

Socialism = Opportunity?

Okay, Barack.

227 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:09:42pm
228 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:12:00pm

re: #221 wolfie

That is not the State Map I thought I knew. Yep,that's State College alright.

I was looking at the internals for the Primaries and we're gonna need some PUMA help no doubt, but we're gonna deliver this state. Damnit.

229 pat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:12:20pm

Of course. If Obama's numbers go down, market goes up. Not that companies like the banking industry or GE care. In the tank.

230 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:13:08pm

re: #199 wolfie

I figured it out!
"The Constitution is whatever five of us say it is." - Justice Harry Blackmun

I want a prize!

You get your prize next Jan. 20th....

231 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:13:12pm

re: #224 gmsc

A couple of good links on how the drop in oil prices is affecting oil-based economies:

Venezuela: Oil falls below $80, “Baby needs a new pair of shoes.”

Iran's Fear of Low Oil Prices

Glad you found that link about Hugo's problems, Gmsc! He's sweating now, and it looks like it's only going to get worse for him.

Goldman expects crude to average USD 75 in the fourth quarter and USD 70 at the end of the year, but added: “Should the financial and economic crisis cut deeper into demand, the market could fall as low as USD 50 a barrel.”

And I find it especially humorous in light of what T. Boone Pickens predicted on Glenn Beck's show back in mid Summer - that by Christmas, oil would be at $150 per barrel.

Hah! Take that, T. Boone! Put THAT in your windmills and whirl it!

232 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:14:05pm

re: #156 Spellcheck

I haven't read it yet, but here's the latest.

Obama funded foreign thug who promised Islamic state

I searched a bit and found this video, added Oct 02, 2008
Obama Supporting Islamic Terror Regime in Kenya
Text decription:

Barack Obama has a cousin in Kenya he almost never talks about, but whom everyone in Kenya knows. His name is Raila Odinga. Barack Obama has actively campaigned for Raila Odinga to become president of Kenya - even before Obama started his own run for the presidency of the USA. What everyone in Kenya knows, but almost no one in the USA knows, is that Odinga has made a pact with the Muslim leaders of Kenya, in order to gain their support. This pact (actually shown in the video), calls for the establishment of a "safe haven" for terrorists in Kenya, the imposition of Sharia (Islamic) law, and the outlawing of public Christianity in Kenya. Barack Obama has supported Odinga in spite of (or perhaps because of) this Islamic pact, and continues to support Odinga in his aims, even though Odinga lost the recent elections.
233 HelloDare  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:14:12pm

re: #218 stevieray

Somewhere, Cher is celebrating...

Mr. Blackwell died penniless. He was buried in 57 shoe boxes.

234 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:14:51pm

re: #201 Cartman

Spread The Wealth Around™

Obama's WealthSpread™: I Can't Believe It's Not Earned!

235 Timbre  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:14:53pm

TOKYO — North Korea will make an "important announcement" on Monday amid speculation over the health of its leader Kim Jong Il, a Japanese newspaper reported Sunday. (FOX News)

Meanwhile, the "Dear Leader's" son, Ill Jim Kong, has stated that he is more than ready to seize the reins of "cool leadership." States Ill, "I've got the shades, I've got the girls, I've got the 'do: what more do I need to press the red button on Appa's desk?"

236 haakondahl  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:15:12pm

Gotta punch out for a while. Good night, Lizards. I'll be back later.

237 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:15:25pm

re: #226 TheMatrix31

Socialism = Opportunity?

Okay, Barack.

Oh heck yeah! It's a great opportunity for the government to take more of your money, put it in the manure spreader, and fling it around to those who don't want to work for it, like you did.

It's a great opportunity for the lazy folks to get their piece of the pie, too. Egads, if we elect this man we're plotting our own financial demise.

238 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:16:16pm

re: #222 Intrepid

And that Bork chick, or whatever her name is - the one who wore the swan on the red carpet one year.

Heh. Bjork.

The Sugarcubes' first album, "Life's Too Good" was great.

239 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:16:40pm

So they had some bobblehead event at some hockey game in Ohio where kids "cast their vote" and either get an Obama bobblehead or a McCain bobblehead doll. They interviewed some little girl and they asked her why she took the Obama one, and she's like "Ummmmm.....I dont know". Apparently, Obama was chosen 59% of the time.

240 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:17:42pm

re: #238 stevieray

Heh. Bjork.

The Sugarcubes' first album, "Life's Too Good" was great.

/would it be wrong to say that I'd like to Bjork her?

241 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:18:39pm

re: #240 x-wing

/would it be wrong to say that I'd like to Bjork her?

At the current valuation, she can afford to buy Iceland outright.

242 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:19:05pm

re: #239 TheMatrix31

It's the ears man, the ears.

243 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:19:05pm

re: #240 x-wing

/would it be wrong to say that I'd like to Bjork her?

You'd have to fight your way past that swan...

244 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:19:37pm

re: #240 x-wing

/would it be wrong to say that I'd like to Bjork her?

You can, but you'd have to get rid of the swan first.

/scary

245 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:20:50pm

Gettin' late... time to battle my cat for control of the prime real estate [i.e. the bed].

Goodnight!

246 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:21:00pm

re: #241 stuiec

At the current valuation, she can afford to buy Iceland outright.

Are they still considered a country after last week?

247 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:21:15pm

re: #244 Intrepid

You can, but you'd have to get rid of the swan first.

/scary

GMTA!

248 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:21:18pm

re: #243 stevieray

You'd have to fight your way past that swan...

Heh - GMTA.

And some great shoes to go with the lovely Swan get up...

Crazy shoes

249 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:21:19pm

re: #240 x-wing

/would it be wrong to say that I'd like to Bjork her?

Bjork! Bjork! Bjork! Bjork!

250 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:21:54pm

re: #83 AussieMarcus

So can I ask you guys to put away the conservative badges for a minute and try to be as honest and impartial as possible..

Which red states are genuinely at risk of being lost?
Which blue states does McCain/Palin have a genuine chance of winning?

Any reasons for the above would be great too.

Purely non-data-based speculation:

Real Clear Politics' map shows Pennsylvania as solid Obama. I'm not so sure... He pissed off pretty much the entire state outside of the urban areas. If I was McCain I'd be working overtime to organize Chicago-style vote buses for all those older folks out in the sticks to get in there and punch their ticket for the guy who DOESN'T look down his nose at them.

A friend of mine in Florida said "no effing way" would Obama get Florida. The numbers look close on the map but he said it was all being mis-reported, that he had seen absolutely no signs of Obama support anywhere. I don't know how seriously to take this, since "Nobody I know voted for him" is a stupid thing to say.

I'm afraid Ohio will go Obama, not because of a real victory there, but because of vote fraud on a Pharaonic scale, which the media has decided to ignore. We're supposed to just shut up and tolerate it now. The Messiah has spoken: ACORN helps people, and "It's not true, John", that they are a danger to the electoral process. Apparently he has power right out of Genesis now, that he just says stuff, and it becomes real.

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why North Dakota is a toss-up on RCP's map. I guess one of the three people that lives there is an undecided Independent?

251 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:22:30pm

re: #246 x-wing

Are they still considered a country after last week?

I think they belong to Russia now, since they got a hefty check from Vlad.

252 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:23:02pm

re: #243 stevieray

re: #244 Intrepid

I had a run in with a goose when I was young... I fear bills to this day.

253 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:24:56pm

re: #249 gmsc

LOL, haven't seen him in years. mork,mork,mork

254 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:25:22pm

re: #252 x-wing

re: #244 Intrepid

I had a run in with a goose when I was young... I fear bills to this day.

They're not timid creatures, that's for sure. Flopping those wings and running at ya like you're the devil incarnate. Swans are nasty too, I've heard.

255 Spellcheck  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:25:53pm

re: #250 Pawn of the Oppressor

He pissed off pretty much the entire state outside of the urban areas.

Not to mention Murtha calling western PA racist the other day.

256 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:26:21pm

I just heard on the news about some town in Mexico (Jalisco) that has a bunch of Democrats, and they're "already voting" for our election.

Is that allowed?

257 stevieray  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:26:36pm

re: #252 x-wing

re: #244 Intrepid

I had a run in with a goose when I was young... I fear bills to this day.

They're nasty critters. Seen 'em chase big dogs clear out of the park.

258 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:27:21pm

re: #251 Intrepid

I think they belong to Russia now, since they got a hefty check from Vlad.

Putie bailed them out. I did not know that. When did that happen?

259 Timbre  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:27:39pm

re: #257 stevieray

Did the cat win the battle? :)

260 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:31:35pm

re: #258 x-wing

Putie bailed them out. I did not know that. When did that happen?

Gosh, a couple weeks ago, maybe? I think it was to the tune of 300 billion.

261 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:32:13pm

re: #254 Intrepid

They're not timid creatures, that's for sure. Flopping those wings and running at ya like you're the devil incarnate. Swans are nasty too, I've heard.

You got that right, sometimes cute this are nasty, I still have a scar on my face from my neighbors basset hound.

/ yes a dopey looking big eared dog.

262 stuiec  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:33:21pm

re: #246 x-wing

Are they still considered a country after last week?

If Luxembourg is a country, Iceland still is. (Although at this point, Luxembourg also could buy Iceland outright and use it as a geothermal generating station/spa getaway destination.)

263 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:34:39pm

Time to go to bed, gotta get up early to earn some wealth to spread around. Gas, electric, cable, phone, car payment, insurance, you know, the less fortunate. / ?

264 kuchuklambat  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:35:05pm

re: #260 Intrepid

not a done deal, looks like
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

265 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:35:06pm

re: #261 x-wing

You got that right, sometimes cute this are nasty, I still have a scar on my face from my neighbors basset hound.

/ yes a dopey looking big eared dog.

A friend of mine from way back in high school had a scar on his cheek - he tried to insert a piece of straw into the neighbor dog's rectum when he was but a lad of 6.

Bad idea, no matter the breed of the dog.

266 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:36:47pm

re: #265 Intrepid

A friend of mine from way back in high school had a scar on his cheek - he tried to insert a piece of straw into the neighbor dog's rectum when he was but a lad of 6.

Bad idea, no matter the breed of the dog.

Yet, no doubt it's a better idea than whatever was going to be done once the straw was successfully put in.

267 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:37:54pm

re: #260 Intrepid

Gosh, a couple weeks ago, maybe? I think it was to the tune of 300 billion.

Wow, I totally missed that. I don't know alot about Iceland (obviously) but is it worth that kind of scatch?

268 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:38:03pm

re: #264 kuchuklambat

not a done deal, looks like
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

So Russia isn't going to be so very forthcoming now that their own economy is in the doldrums. That's interesting.

And I thought Iceland had more people than just 300,000.

269 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:39:40pm

re: #268 Intrepid

So Russia isn't going to be so very forthcoming now that their own economy is in the doldrums. That's interesting.

And I thought Iceland had more people than just 300,000.

They do. It's only 4,367 more, but it is more!
;)

270 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:41:56pm

re: #265 Intrepid

I just gave the dog a hug. You have some *ahem* interesting friends.

271 Odinga  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:42:25pm

WTF?

NEW YORK – Sen. Barack Obama, with a donation of nearly $1 million, and a son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi were among the biggest contributors to the presidential campaign of controversial Kenyan leader Raila Odinga, according to an internal document obtained by WND.
WorldNetDaily

272 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:42:51pm

re: #267 x-wing

Wow, I totally missed that. I don't know alot about Iceland (obviously) but is it worth that kind of scatch?

From the article that kuchuklambat posted, it appears that Iceland's banks hold a lot of deposits from other European countries, mostly because their rates were so attractive. And apparently those depositors are wanting to get some of that money out because of Iceland's financial picture.

They were supposedly going to use the Russia loan to reopen some of their branches in a few select cities, but I guess that's on hold. Their next stop is the IMF.

273 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:44:41pm

re: #269 gmsc

They do. It's only 4,367 more, but it is more!
;)

That was a CIA Redirect Site. I felt naughty just looking at it for a few seconds.

Heh.

274 gmsc  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:45:29pm

re: #273 Intrepid

That was a CIA Redirect Site. I felt naughty just looking at it for a few seconds.

Heh.

It was supposed to go to the CIA world factbook page on Iceland. Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.

275 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:47:30pm

re: #270 x-wing

I just gave the dog a hug. You have some *ahem* interesting friends.

Yeah, he was funny. But I just laugh, because he's probably had a difficult time of it when his kids asked him, "Daddy, where'd you get that scar from?"

Sowing and reaping, my friends. It's a basic, timeless principle of life.

276 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:47:51pm

re: #272 Intrepid

So then I guess we'll print more money and end up bailing them out, huh? I hope Putin chokes on his damn oil. I love when bad things happen to bad people.

277 OtisMyMan  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:48:09pm

Poor Mr. Blackwell, the article said he died of an intestinal injection, oh, I mean infection. Here's to 86 years of cattiness and mincing! Yummmm...

278 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:48:42pm

re: #274 gmsc

It was supposed to go to the CIA world factbook page on Iceland. Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.

That's ok. I can catch their Wiki page. It's not like someone is going to put up false information on the population of Iceland on their site...

279 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:50:18pm

re: #275 Intrepid

LOL.... o.k son, well there was this dog, and ...

280 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:50:55pm

re: #276 x-wing

So then I guess we'll print more money and end up bailing them out, huh? I hope Putin chokes on his damn oil. I love when bad things happen to bad people.

Nah, we already told them we couldn't help, and so did China, IIRC. That's why they went to Russia.

I say let them go to the EU. They're supposed to be the big dogs in that part of the world now, so let them bail out other European countries. We've got our own mess to worry about right now.

281 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:51:43pm

Found via headline thingy at HotAir,
Obama Broke Illinois Ethics Laws As A State Legislator

Apparently, on Obama’s released tax records, he discloses income from speaking fees. The problem? Accepting payment for speaking fees when you’re a legislator is against Illinois state law.

/ Those are not the ethics laws I knew.

282 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:51:50pm

OT - Is it possible to be OT on an Overnight Thread (or is that what "OT" stands for in this case?)

Anyway...

I just wanted to share something. This week is the restarting of the Torah cycle. It's an extremely happy event! Simchat Torah is a holy day (observed without driving, etc.) and it's just an incredible day! It's Tuesday evening and Wednesday day.

Orthodox Jews sing and dance (mostly men sing and dance while carrying the Torah, although women dance together on the side) - and it rocks the house, literally! I've been to congregations where the building literally jumped while everyone was dancing and jumping and singing and tossing little kids up into the air (and catching them, of course.)

Little kids (and some slightly bigger kids) ride on their father's shoulders as the group dances around. It's a total blast!

There's so much singing and stomping around that a band isn't even needed (and it's not allowed on a holy day anyway) - but the celebration rocks on without one!

The Torah cycle means that the entire religious Jewish world reads the entire Torah (weekly portion by weekly portion) for the entire year and then starts over again so that we're all together in this everywhere.

It's a huge celebration for the new Torah cycle to start and it's really fun!

P.S. I was in a Diaspora synagogue a few years that had all the windows and lights on while everyone was dancing and singing on this evening. I think the cars driving by (non-Jews) wondered if the Orthodox Jews inside had gone crazy. :) The building was JUMPING.

283 OtisMyMan  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:52:28pm

Pssssssttt. Don't tell anyone, but the Silent Majority is alive and well and mad as hell! They are silent, but will speak loudly on election day.
McCain/Palin will win.

284 Cognito  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:55:00pm

re: #283 OtisMyMan

Pssssssttt. Don't tell anyone, but the Silent Majority is alive and well and mad as hell! They are silent, but will speak loudly on election day.
McCain/Palin will win.

It's not impossible. But to paraphrase Winston Churchill, they do seem particularly effective in their silence.

285 x-wing  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:55:04pm

re: #280 Intrepid


I guess I should just read these links instead of bothering you with these questions. I'M partaking in libations right now and just feel like yapping.

286 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:56:05pm

re: #282 Adina in Judea

Woot! That sounds fun! I'm glad you catch the kids who get tossed in the air, too. That would be a serious bummer to the festivities.

:-)

287 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:59:32pm

re: #284 Cognito

It's not impossible. But to paraphrase Winston Churchill, they do seem particularly effective in their silence.

Ah, no fair pessimitizing us, Cog! (heh, I just made that word up)

And yes, they may be effectively silent now, but - God willing - on November 4, their voices will boom like thunder. And at that point, Obama may indeed become silenced.

(well, except for the scores of lawyers in all the states he'll contest)

288 Mel Lono  Sun, Oct 19, 2008 11:59:35pm

Obama's cabinet

“Don’t underestimate our ability to screw it up,”

Senator John Kerry, the 2004 presidential candidate with hopes of becoming secretary of state, to Larry Summers, a former US Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton, and Chuck Hagel, the Republican senator who has been tipped as defence secretary,

289 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:00:52am

re: #286 Intrepid

re: #282 Adina in Judea

Woot! That sounds fun! I'm glad you catch the kids who get tossed in the air, too. That would be a serious bummer to the festivities.

:-)

Yeah! :)

Dads are really wonderful at kid tossing (and catching, thank goodness!)

290 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:01:25am

re: #283 OtisMyMan

Do you mind if we dance with your dates?

////

291 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:02:21am

re: #285 x-wing

I guess I should just read these links instead of bothering you with these questions. I'M partaking in libations right now and just feel like yapping.

Hey, I'm cool with it. Libations do indeed tend to make one engage in yapping.

It's when the typing gets to the jf34fuish anmd 3ewissh stage that one should hit the hay.

/not straw, because we don't know where it's been...

292 speciallist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:03:29am

I am Joe...

Politically active, Meateating, Non-smoker from the Bad side of Orange county.

Don't touch my Tools!

[Link: home.Pacbell.net...]

293 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:05:07am

re: #287 Intrepid

And yes, they may be effectively silent now, but - God willing - on November 4, their voices will boom like thunder. And at that point, Obama may indeed become silenced.

From your mouth to G-d's ear.

294 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:05:47am

re: #291 Intrepid

So true. it's 3am and I soon gotta call it quits. Bad spelling or not.

295 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:07:40am

re: #256 TheMatrix31

I just heard on the news about some town in Mexico (Jalisco) that has a bunch of Democrats, and they're "already voting" for our election.

Is that allowed?

U.S. citizens living overseas, or in this case Mexico, can vote via absentee ballots or at US embassies or consulate offices.

296 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:08:02am

re: #288 Mel Lono

Obama's cabinet

Here's one Democrat's assessment of how an Obama cabinet might look, with the most likely names first, followed by successively less-likely candidates:

President: Barack Obama
Vice President: Joe Biden
State: Bill Richardson, Richard Lugar, Greg Craig, John Kerry, Sam Nunn
Treasury: Sheila Bair, Timothy Geithner, Eugene Ludwig, Laura Tyson
Defense: Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, Jack Reed, Richard Danzig
Attorney General: Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Artur Davis
Homeland Security: Lee Hamilton, Tony Lake, Richard Clarke, Tim Roemer
National Security: Anthony Zinni, Greg Craig, Samantha Power, Susan Rice
Agriculture: Tom Vilsack, Colin Peterson, Tom Daschle, Jim Leach
Commerce: Kathleen Sebelius, Ed Rendell, Penny Pritzker, Olympia Snowe
Education: George Miller, Tim Kaine, Linda Darling-Hammond, Joel Klein
Energy: Brian Schweitzer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jeff Bingaman
HHS: Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Julie Gerberding, John Kitzhaber
HUD: Shaun Donovan, Shirley Franklin, Jesse Jackson, Jr., David Gottfried
Interior: Lincoln Chafee, Christine Gregoire, Brian Schweitzer, RFK Jr.
Labor: David Bonior, Dick Gephardt, Dan Tarullo, Linda Chavez-Thompson
Transportation: James Oberstar, Ed Rendell, Earl Blumenauer, R.T. Rybak
VA: Chet Edwards, Max Cleland, Patrick Murphy, Tammy Duckworth
UN Secretary: Susan Rice, Caroline Kennedy, Lee Hamilton
EPA: Kathleen McGinty, Ed Markey, Mary Nichols, Lincoln Chafee
Council of Economic Advisers: Austan Goolsbee, David Cutler
Chief of Staff: Tom Daschle, Greg Craig, David Plouffe

Ponder over that list, especially in comparison to the United States presidential line of succession.

297 OtisMyMan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:08:43am

re: #290 x-wing

We're so happy to be back here at the Dexter Lake Club. We'd like to perform for you now a tune entitled Shama Lama Ding Dong. So hit it!

298 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:08:45am

American Israelis voting via absentee ballots are already known to be very, very heavily favoring McCain, by the way.

299 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:11:03am

re: #298 Adina in Judea

American Israelis voting via absentee ballots are already known to be very, very heavily favoring McCain, by the way.

It sounds like the Obama campaign better hurry up and figure out how to prevent those votes from counting!

300 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:12:00am

It's still fascinating to me that Sarah Palin got SNL their best ratings since 1994.

I imagine all these silent majority voters in America who just want to see her any chance they get.

She stood out on SNL like a sane person at a Schizophrenic Picnic.

301 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:14:37am

re: #299 gmsc

re: #298 Adina in Judea

American Israelis voting via absentee ballots are already known to be very, very heavily favoring McCain, by the way.

It sounds like the Obama campaign better hurry up and figure out how to prevent those votes from counting!

Dems always assume they get the Jewish vote, so they may not worry.

American Israelis know the score on Obama, though.

302 quickredfox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:14:53am

re: #254 Intrepid

They're not timid creatures, that's for sure. Flopping those wings and running at ya like you're the devil incarnate. Swans are nasty too, I've heard.

While geese can have a temper, swans will put them to shame, they are tough characters, very protective of their mates, young and territory.

I have done some Canada goose control work in public parks, school grounds and golf courses on both sides of the Bay with my dogs, using the dogs to shoo the geese off the grass (or as I would give my job description, Branta canadensis migration facilitator). I haven't had any trouble with the geese, they seem to get the message with my dogs, even though these aren't large dogs. The geese would be pretty blase about other dogs in the parks, but when I sent my dogs out, they would take to the air, usually landing in a nearby canal or pond. I didn't swim my dogs after them, though, as some goose-control people will do.

One day I sent my 20-lb. dog over a little rise after some geese, and when I caught up to her, I found her head to head with a big male swan at the water's edge. He was standing fully upright with wings spread, snaking at her with his head and slapping at her. I held my breath, not wanting to break her concentration, but also wanting to get her out of there. Right as I came up she had backed him completely into the water, but she was really glad to answer my call-off command. I told her that she didn't have any idea what she was getting into!

303 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:15:26am

re: #297 OtisMyMan

November FORTH we vote. November Fifth we celebrate. First round is on me, you supply the music.

304 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:19:19am

Okay, I'm out . see everyone later this a.m. maybe noonish.

305 HelloDare  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:50am

Man who infiltrated the Weather Underground tells of their plan to kill 25 million Americans.

I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

From the GRATHWOHL INTERVIEW

Here is the transcript.

Here is the video. Grathwohl starts at around 8:00 in.

Both are in the Spinoff Links upstairs.

306 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:30am

re: #298 Adina in Judea

American Israelis voting via absentee ballots are already known to be very, very heavily favoring McCain, by the way.

Do you have a link for that? I am trying to work on some relatives. It's not worth any effort, they are probably a lost cause and are not in contested states anyway.

307 quickredfox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:43am

re: #303 x-wing

November FORTH we vote. November Fifth we celebrate. First round is on me, you supply the music.

I will add some cheers -- hurray!

308 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:50am

re: #305 HelloDare

Man who infiltrated the Weather Underground tells of their plan to kill 25 million Americans.

I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

From the GRATHWOHL INTERVIEW

Here is the transcript.

Here is the video. Grathwohl starts at around 8:00 in.

Both are in the Spinoff Links upstairs.

Wow.

309 HelloDare  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:35:20am

re: #308 TheMatrix31

Yeah.

310 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:47:50am

re: #305 HelloDare

Just when you thought you knew a lot about them. Wow.

I haven't read the links yet, but my first thought is: Obama is just hiding his relationship with Ayers right now; how do we know Ayers, or an affiliate of his, won't have influence or input in an Obama administration? How do we know that deep down, Obama doesn't think exactly like these people?

Really - how do we know that? Every friend of his that has been identified appears to be some kind of angry radical, but he radiates this, "I'm a reasonable guy, you don't have to fear me" thing...but why would someone we don't have to fear have so many communist, violent friends?

311 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:50:12am

re: #308 TheMatrix31

Yeah, I just read this from the links up top - I'm literally shaking.

Obama sprang from these guys later on (in the 21st Century.)

I thought "Kill your parents!" was bad, but the thought of these educated people sitting around trying to formulate plans to murder 25 million Americans is just beyond anything I'd ever imagined from the radical groups of the 60s.

This information has got to get into the public eye beyond LGF.

What can we do?

It's like watching the Third Reich forming.

312 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:36am

Zombie could get the message out there, I'll bet.

313 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:49am

re: #311 Adina in Judea

Yeah, I just read this from the links up top - I'm literally shaking.

Obama sprang from these guys later on (in the 21st Century.)

I thought "Kill your parents!" was bad, but the thought of these educated people sitting around trying to formulate plans to murder 25 million Americans is just beyond anything I'd ever imagined from the radical groups of the 60s.

This information has got to get into the public eye beyond LGF.

What can we do?

It's like watching the Third Reich forming.

I don't even wanna put it on my Facebook anymore. No one really comments on it, and I feel like people won't even believe it.

314 devnulled  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:52am

In the spirit of open thread...

My routine goes like this:

Drudge
LGF
Lucianne
Freerepublic

Over and over. Day after day. Year after year.

Should I expand my routine? Am I missing out on something that is not immediately crosslinked by any of those sites?

315 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:54:38am

re: #310 capitalist piglet

How do we know that deep down, Obama doesn't think exactly like these people?

Obama's "0 to 6" program calls for indoctrinating children from birth.

This fits into the idea of re-educating the population (only it's better from their perspective because they get the population straight from the womb.)

316 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:16am

re: #314 devnulled

You could try reading the Israeli news sites.

They have Israel's news, but they also have bits and pieces of American and world news. Some of the sites lean left, but the Jerusalem Post is pretty good.

317 Metal Man  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:16am

re: #314 devnulled

Not sure about the cross links but on the some what lighter side try these.

The Peoples Cube

Ace of Spades

IMAO

318 Mr Krabs  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:22:33am

I'm trying to imagine what a powder-keg the US will be under Obama as all this information gets out.

319 lummox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:23:21am

Speaking of Zombie, he/she is in Real Clear Politics best of the blogs right now.

320 lummox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:28:31am

Zombie at RCP, scroll down.

321 Crux Australis  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:37am

I really don't understand the sloppy election rules in the US.

In Australia no voter registrations are accepted after about a month (4weeks) out from an election and pre-polling doesn't start until 10 days before the date. And voter identification checks are a lot stricter as well.

It boggles my mind that the current state of play is allowed to stay as it is.

322 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:38:14am

I think it's harder to control when the nation has so many people.

323 Crux Australis  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:08am

I think you're right.

Australia - 21.5 million
United States - 305 million

324 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:01am

re: #321 Crux Australis The states are left to regulate themselves. Most states have similar policies regarding age, citizenship, and residency. The dates of registration are what is mostly different. http://usgovinfo.about.com/blvrbystate.htm

325 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:57:48am

re: #314 devnulled

Wait, wait, wait- there are other sites besides LGF?

326 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:59:34am

re: #325 Sharmuta

No, but they like to pretend.

327 Crux Australis  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:59:44am

In Australia elections are federally controlled - I suppose it's a relic of colonial times. (sarc) You don't want the states having too much power - after all they can't govern themselves properly. (/sarc) And again Australia has 6 states not 50. And when each state has elections they follow the same rules throughout the country.

328 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

329 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:00:47am

re: #328 littleoldlady

Thanks, littleoldlady!

330 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:01:30am

Sharmuta! :-)

331 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:01:31am

fruitcup yummmy

332 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:02:10am

re: #327 Crux Australis
Neevr underestimate the importance of history and tradition.

The USA continues to vote (and register to vote) in much the way George Washington did.

And it was a pretty reasonable thing to do, until fairly recently.

You would think we would have learned something in 2000.

But no...

333 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:02:29am

empills! :-)

334 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:03:51am

Fenway! :-)

/wherever you are
//investing in sack cloth and ashes, I guess

Sorry about your no-cheesesteak year!

335 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:04:05am

re: #328 littleoldlady

Thank you. Delicious, as usual. (Am I starting to take you for granted? I hope not.)

I wish I could stay up and keep you company, there's hardly anyone else posting.

But I need my sleep.

336 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:04:53am

re: #328 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Mornin!

337 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:04:55am

People- ya gotta ding the fruitcup.

338 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:05:33am

re: #337 Sharmuta

People- ya gotta ding the fruitcup.

I know lol is too nice and sweet to tell you, but I'm not. :p

339 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:05:55am

re: #337 Sharmuta

Really?

Nobody tells me anything.

I've just been saying thanks.

340 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:07:05am

...and somehow an upding seems so impersonal.

/and inadequate.

341 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:07:24am

thelongblogger! :-)


(Am I starting to take you for granted? I hope not.)

But that's what I like about this place - it reminds me of home! ;-)

Matrix! :-)

342 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:08:39am

re: #341 littleoldlady

thelongblogger! :-)


But that's what I like about this place - it reminds me of home! ;-)

Matrix! :-)

Now that the team I've been using all year as a complimentary piece to my Braves fandom is playing your Phillies, it should be fun!

343 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:08:51am

I'm saving my jonesin' for updings for my birthday in March.

/looking to make Top 10 comment status. ;-)

344 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:09:10am

re: #339 thelongblogger

Sometimes I sneak in and ding the fruitcup and never say a word......

345 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:09:42am

re: #343 littleoldlady

I'm saving my jonesin' for updings for my birthday in March.

/looking to make Top 10 comment status. ;-)

I'm just trying to get them prepped for ya, lol.

346 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:10:18am

re: #345 Sharmuta

Thanks! :-)

LOL!

347 thelongblogger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:12:25am

re: #343 littleoldlady

Alright, you two.

As long as I know littleoldlady has someone to actually talk to, I'm out of here.

Weet dreams to me!

348 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:13:41am

re: #347 thelongblogger

Hey- I just came for fruitcup and as the unofficial fruitcup ding brute squad.

349 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:15:07am

So- I heard this rumor there are other sites besides LGF. They don't have fruitcup, do they?

350 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:15:07am

Two if the scariest links I've seen to date...

/and that's saying something!

...in the spinoffs. Here. And here.

I guess I can give up on what little sleep I get... :-(

351 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:18:16am

'Night, thelongblogger! :-)

Not to worry. Plenty of times I sit here talking to myself. ;-)

/answering, too.
//I'm a schizophrenic. And so am I.

352 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:18:59am

I made a Snap Poll link and posted it on my Facebook. I'd like to get some idea of how many people are clicking on the political links and posts I make, because no one comments on them.

The beauty is, even if they vote no, it still tells me they're reading my notes which contain the links I post.

353 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:44:47am

where did all the people go?

354 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:49:37am

It's dead, Jim. Jim, it's dead.

355 imploder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:49:49am

I guess it was only a matter or time before the hippies from the 60s exerted their influence at the national level. And Obama with Odinga, that guy's a tinpot dictator and there's video of Obama hanging with him like two short years ago, who watches the watchmen? WTF is going on? Who managed the national lobotomy?

I already voted (absentee) but it seems like nothing will stop the Obama juggernaut. I would say the polls were wrong, but instatrade has Obama 85/15, and they're talking real money.

With the amount of shieza that is already out there about Obama, how is he going to be an effective president? Ugggghhhh. What, two three more weeks of this torture?

356 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:50:40am

The people are back hurray.

357 akak  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:59:13am

re: #353 empills

where did all the people go?

World shortage on fruitcup don't you know, damn people are hording again.

358 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 2:59:36am

Best poll you'll see all day:

Do you think polls are accurate?

359 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:01:19am

re: #355 imploder

Did you mean intrade?

360 imploder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:05:20am

re: #359 Spirit93

Did you mean intrade?

yeah, that one, sorry.

361 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:07:16am

Good day, ALL!™

I gots to gets to work! :-(

362 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:11:20am

re: #361 littleoldlady
Have fun LOL.

Hey Lizards, someone mention fruitcup?

It's 6:13 PM in Nanchang, a little too late for that.

Hey been gone for a while, what's the buzz.

Is McCain kicking ass yet?

363 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:12:04am

Good morning, Lizards!

364 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:12:45am

Good morning, goddess.

365 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:13:34am

re: #362 turn

Oh checking Drudge ..

3 points LOL!

The Messiah is going to loose, ha!

Outspending and the F$%^& economy and the guy can't muster more that that?

How do the others here think it will turn (no pun intended) out?

366 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:14:24am

re: #363 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey Goddess get's up early ..

You're from CA, no?

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:14:54am

re: #365 turn

The Eeyores think all is lost. The rest of us are ready to go kick some ballot ass and get MacDaddy/Sarahcuda in the White House.

368 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:16:59am

re: #367 Sharmuta

The Eeyores think all is lost. The rest of us are ready to go kick some ballot ass and get MacDaddy/Sarahcuda in the White House.

Quote from the time machine, right? The underground no-nothing feed on cattle bread human flesh. Good analogy, night of the living dead might be more appropriate.

369 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:17:48am

re: #366 turn

Hey Goddess get's up early ..

You're from CA, no?

No, PA, actually! I think I'm twelve hours behind you--it's 6:17 AM.

{Sharmuta}

370 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:19:00am

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

No, PA, actually! I think I'm twelve hours behind you--it's 6:17 AM.

{Sharmuta}

Oh Pa, my bad. Well 6:17 to log on to LGF shows a particular addiction don't you think? :.)

371 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:19:54am

re: #370 turn

Oh Pa, my bad. Well 6:17 to log on to LGF shows a particular addiction don't you think? :.)

Addiction? I prefer to call it "routine"....

372 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:20:41am

re: #371 goddessoftheclassroom

Me too, only CA time.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:21:37am

re: #371 goddessoftheclassroom

Addiction? I prefer to call it "routine"....

I can quit anytime I want to. I just don't want to. ;p

374 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:22:53am

re: #373 Sharmuta

I can quit anytime I want to. I just don't want to. ;p

Besides- quitters never win.

375 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:24:45am

re: #373 Sharmuta

I can quit anytime I want to. I just don't want to. ;p

This is the only place I'm comfortable discussing political issues.

376 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:26:53am

re: #375 goddessoftheclassroom

Other than republican political meetings, this is the only place I can discuss politics and people don't look at me like I'm crazy.

377 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:27:55am

I can't explain what it's like here in Nanchang, China is a free for all. We just got here a few hours ago from a buisness convention in HangShan. Well convention in the American sense really doesn't capture it. The turnwife and I couldn't even get a beer in a 4 star hotel here so we hit the streets in search of. Mingled with the local folk and ended up with a crowd of about 20 people checking out us forieners. Handing us their children to hold, asking so many questions so few of us could understand. We had a total blast. Sat and had noodles with a local vendor, drank Bijoo, swapped stories about the turnspawn. The people here are so freindly.

378 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:29:01am

re: #377 turn

I can't explain what it's like here in Nanchang, China is a free for all. We just got here a few hours ago from a buisness convention in HangShan. Well convention in the American sense really doesn't capture it. The turnwife and I couldn't even get a beer in a 4 star hotel here so we hit the streets in search of. Mingled with the local folk and ended up with a crowd of about 20 people checking out us forieners. Handing us their children to hold, asking so many questions so few of us could understand. We had a total blast. Sat and had noodles with a local vendor, drank Bijoo, swapped stories about the turnspawn. The people here are so freindly.

What a great experience!

379 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:31:05am

re: #377 turn
Oh, and a word of warning for the feint of heart, close your eyes and pray if you travel in a car. Or foot for that matter, absolutely crazy!

380 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:31:18am

re: #377 turn

I'm surprised you can get LGF in China.

381 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:35:49am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

No kidding, the turnwife is just going down to the spa and her last parting comment was "wasn't that fun?"

It sure was. We went to a local store and bought a dozen of a variety of these crunchy snacks and nuts, two six packs of Tsingtao, a bottle of Bijoo and a pack of smokes for 68 RMB (about friggin 10 bucks!) The turnwife insists on asking these people questions they have no clue about what we are saying. They called over the loudspeaker for a helper to come to our isle! ha ..

382 devil in baggy pants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:35:58am

mother f*cker
GOP Cover Up of Freddie Mac?!?

Anyone seen this yet?

383 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:38:03am

re: #380 Sharmuta

There really hasn't been any blogs I've had a problem with. I did notice when I logged into my email account her at the hotel tonight that there was a wierd pause about not being able to load, the whallla ... it loaded. Pretty suspecious. Don't ever email anything you might regret here is what I've been told.

384 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:39:14am

re: #382 devil in baggy pants

Who wrote that, Barny Frank? MF#%%^ is right. I'm not even reading the article.

385 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:40:20am

re: #383 turn

wow, the bijoo is beginning to show in your spelling turn. Oh well, they get my message.

386 devil in baggy pants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:43:04am

hahaha, turn!

don't post anything you might regret, either, hey?

387 devil in baggy pants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:43:44am

Okay, I have to be the dork and ask...

what time is it there, Turn?

388 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:44:22am

re: #386 devil in baggy pants

Well at least not here at LGF, Sharm will nail you! Or if not Looking Closely for sure.

389 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:44:59am

re: #387 devil in baggy pants

6:47 PM.

390 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:45:32am

re: #376 Sharmuta

Other than republican political meetings, this is the only place I can discuss politics and people don't look at me like I'm crazy.

Good Morning All. I hear ya, this is an oasis of sanity.

391 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:46:45am

re: #387 devil in baggy pants

If you add 3 hours to CA time then add 12 hours you have Beijing time (same time same here). So by that reckoning is should be about 3:47 AM in Sac.

392 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:46:56am

re: #382 devil in baggy pants

Good grief- settle down!Gee- a lobbyist group was paid and they did their job?! Shocka that the msm would try to pin this on republicans, huh? And I bet John McCain is one of the first to denounce this.

393 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:47:25am

re: #391 turn
I'm beginning to crack up at my own posts! ha

394 jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:47:37am

I'm sitting shiva for the Red Sox. :(

395 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:49:14am

re: #390 opnion

Good Morning All. I hear ya, this is an oasis of sanity.

What's interesting is if I don't let on that I'm a republican, I can usually get people to agree with me. I save the "horrible" truth as my parting shot, "Oh, by the way, you just spent an hour agreeing with republican values. Ta-ta!"

396 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:49:21am

re: #394 jamie

Hey, I read in an English paper here they lost. No idea what sitting shiva is, you must be disappointed.

397 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:52:34am

re: #396 turn

Hey, I read in an English paper here they lost. No idea what sitting shiva is, you must be disappointed.

I'm quite disappointed, though I think Tampa is an exciting team to watch and would have been rooting for them against anyone other than the Sox.

Sitting shiva is the Jewish process of mourning a death.

398 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:53:03am

re: #395 Sharmuta

What's interesting is if I don't let on that I'm a republican, I can usually get people to agree with me. I save the "horrible" truth as my parting shot, "Oh, by the way, you just spent an hour agreeing with republican values. Ta-ta!"

I actually was accused in the office of beinga "Republican" by a coworker.
I just told her that 'Maybe, But we are not going to talk politics in the office." It is a mazing how they injecttheir political beliefs in almost any conversation.

399 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:53:27am

re: #396 turn
I think you're about to be enlightened...

Morning all. Lovely cool a.m. here in the DC burbs.

400 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:55:16am

Morning Lizards!

Jim in Virginia, cool here too, but I am further south probably than you are.

401 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:56:10am

re: #400 rightside
Where you at rightside? Alexandria here.

402 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:57:04am

re: #399 Jim in Virginia

I think you're about to be enlightened...

Morning all. Lovely cool a.m. here in the DC burbs.

{Jim in Virginia}

403 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:58:15am

re: #399 Jim in Virginia

I think you're about to be enlightened...

Morning all. Lovely cool a.m. here in the DC burbs.

Hopefully you're not referring to the election, if so there must be some other Jewish saying about being a defeatist. If not, please explain.

How cold is it?

404 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:58:41am

Early voting now in Florida. What a shock, all kinds of problems.
Antbody believe that this election might already be stolen?

405 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 3:59:09am

re: #355 imploder

I guess it was only a matter or time before the hippies from the 60s exerted their influence at the national level. And Obama with Odinga, that guy's a tinpot dictator and there's video of Obama hanging with him like two short years ago, who watches the watchmen? WTF is going on? Who managed the national lobotomy?

I already voted (absentee) but it seems like nothing will stop the Obama juggernaut. I would say the polls were wrong, but instatrade has Obama 85/15, and they're talking real money.

With the amount of shieza that is already out there about Obama, how is he going to be an effective president? Ugggghhhh. What, two three more weeks of this torture?

As far as I can tell, it is illegal and very difficult for US citizens to place bets on intrade. If you have anything definitive that says it is legal, please pass it on, because I'll take the bet.

The article below states that prediction markets have been accurate in the past but I'm guessing their basing that statement on the last position of the market, and markets can move very rapidly. They have also been wrong.

The American Conservative: Smart Money

Last summer there seemed to be no chance that John McCain would be the nominee. His amnesty bid backfired, his poll numbers in Iowa plummeted, and he couldn’t raise any money. His price on Intrade dipped below 5 cents a share.

I thought the article was worthwhile, recommended.

406 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:00:16am

re: #404 opnion

Early voting now in Florida. What a shock, all kinds of problems.
Antbody believe that this election might already be stolen?

If this comes down close there is no way the dems are going to strip this victory from us with all this obvious fraud going on.

407 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:00:25am

re: #398 opnion

I only had one job where I was comfortable mentioning politics, but then, that boss had pictures of himself and Clarence Thomas, Bob Dole, Dan Quayle, Barbara Bush and even one of him and Reagan. He was a great boss.

408 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:00:25am

re: #404 opnion

Early voting now in Florida. What a shock, all kinds of problems.
Antbody believe that this election might already be stolen?

As I read somewhere, one of the WORST things about this election is all the doubts raised about its validity. These undermine the entire process.

409 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:02:16am

re: #408 goddessoftheclassroom

As I read somewhere, one of the WORST things about this election is all the doubts raised about its validity. These undermine the entire process.


It does seem like a lot of Obama supporters do not even acknowledge that there is a line, before thy step over it

410 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:04:43am

re: #403 turn

Lovely as in pleasant weather. I'm trying not to think about the election.
Why are so many people in the tank for Barry? Chris Buckley and Powell being the latest and most disturbing examples. Maybe it is the $150 million.

411 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:05:31am

re: #409 opnion

It does seem like a lot of Obama supporters do not even acknowledge that there is a line, before thy step over it

I accept the social contract. If Obama were to win FAIRLY and without question of fraud, I would support him as my president and as a member of the "loyal opposition."

412 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:06:06am

re: #401 Jim in Virginia

I'm about 30 miles east of Fredericksburg, near the Harry Nice bridge to the peoples republic of maryland.

413 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:06:15am

re: #399 Jim in Virginia

Oh, I was way off base sorry. You were referring to the posters here. Yeah, I've already been enlightened.

414 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:06:26am

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh boy, I comment here. And I'll see y'all in about 6 or 8 hours. Keep the engine running.

Okay, I'm back. What'd I miss?

415 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:10:15am

re: #410 Jim in Virginia

Lovely as in pleasant weather. I'm trying not to think about the election.
Why are so many people in the tank for Barry? Chris Buckley and Powell being the latest and most disturbing examples. Maybe it is the $150 million.

This was a classic comment by Rush about Powell

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/ Limbaugh_Where_are_the_inexperienced_white_liberal s_Powell_has_endorsed.html?showall

416 fat bastard vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:12:27am

re: #407 Sharmuta

You worked for George Bush the Elder?

417 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:15:01am

re: #411 goddessoftheclassroom

I accept the social contract. If Obama were to win FAIRLY and without question of fraud, I would support him as my president and as a member of the "loyal opposition."

When Clinton came to my home town in Carmichael on a fundraiser the turnwife and I were there waving a flag in support for him. I'm sorry times have changed for me, I'm going to find it hard to bind with the social contract, albeit there is not much I could do to oppose other than to cast my vote the next election cycle (and raise holy hell in the mean time).

418 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:16:39am

Low battery and no frigging us adapter on hand ..

bbl

419 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:18:05am

re: #416 fat bastard vegetarian

I wish!

420 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:18:46am

How do you get room service around here? I'd like some Caviar and Lobster for breakfast to go with the coffee.

Woooops. I thought Michele was in the room.

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:20:18am

Well, I am depressed. Found a new avatar that I love, was uploading it...was too big.

Well, I guess I'll let y'all see it. Mebbe someone else can figure out how to upload it...

...sigh

422 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:21:21am

re: #412 rightside

I'm about 30 miles east of Fredericksburg, near the Harry Nice bridge to the peoples republic of maryland.

The Nice Bridge is a nice bridge in my book. It's the way this Marylander takes to go see family in Southern Virginia, thus avoiding the I-95 death race. I see a pretty even mix of McCain-Palin signs and 0 signs on 301. What's your feeling on how the Northern Neck will break out? I know it's really grown since I worked there 20 years ago.

423 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:21:50am

re: #405 Spirit93

Money can be spent on instatrade can be bought just like advertising. MOF - it is advertising.

424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:23:03am

re: #415 turn

Sometimes I make the mistake of viewing Rush as a 'bomb-throwing right-wing shock jock'. The guy is very smart, that was an excellent point.

425 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:24:58am

testing

426 summergurl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:25:36am

How do I link to a previous comment where the comment number turns blue? I have always copied and pasted and yes I feel dumb..
lol

427 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:25:37am

re: #415 turn

This was a classic comment by Rush about Powell

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanma rtin/1008/Limbaugh_Where_are_the_inexper ienced_white_liberals_Powell_has_endorse d.html?showall

I'm probably in the very small minority here, but I didn't care for the imputation of race as the deciding factor, based on the absence of liberal whites endorsed by Powell. Imagine the gross anti-Semitism that would come to the surface against Lieberman if McCain was Jewish.

428 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:25:53am

re: #422 Pullus Iulius

I have only lived here since I retired in 04, but from that limited time, this area is overwhelmingly conservative. I can't remember the last election stats, but I believe they were in the 60-70% range for Allen.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:27:38am

re: #427 Jamie

Not being argumentative, but, huh?

430 summergurl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:29:14am

Duh - I got it...that little quote link is handy -

Going to go get something besides cyber coffee now...

431 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:30:39am

It's very simple- Powell endorsed 0bama because he was never a republican to begin with. I heard an interview with him in the mid-90s and that was all I could think- he's not a republican.

432 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:30:41am

re: #428 rightside

It was 60% for Allen, 40% for Webb, in my county.

433 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:31:38am

re: #428 rightside

Good to know some things don't change. The Allen numbers are a pretty good gauge. Thanks!

434 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:31:46am

Ha! This really is a 4 star hotel. I'm rifling through the office desk drawers and on the right a complete kt with scissors, staple pullers, nail trimmers, rulers, and a few other sharp objects that would surely be confiscated at the airport. Then the turnwife is rifling through the bedside drawers and low and behold a condom package with a little pointy tipped cartoon condom with sunglasses on the cover. The only English word on the box is "warming" ha. Next to it a package about the size of a baseball card, ha I'll post the English translation on it next. Oh and in the right hand drawer at the desk, the plug converter I needed! The hotel has no beer though, go figure.

435 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:31:58am

I also didn't realize Powell was still relevant.

436 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:33:50am

re: #423 Cap'n DOC

Money can be spent on instatrade can be bought just like advertising. MOF - it is advertising.

?
Are you talking about intrade? (See #360)
Advertising?

437 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:34:51am

re: #412 rightside
(if uou;re still here)- went off to shower and shave.
I've jusy finished a project at Dahlgren. Site design for the railgun.

438 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:35:13am

re: #427 Jamie

I'm probably in the very small minority here, but I didn't care for the imputation of race as the deciding factor, based on the absence of liberal whites endorsed by Powell. Imagine the gross anti-Semitism that would come to the surface against Lieberman if McCain was Jewish.

Race is not a deciding factor here at LGF by and large. I'm white and I tell you this race is transparent to race as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand I truely can't say the same about the other side. If we want to talk about Obama's race, which race are we talking about ... black or white? Really, we are talking about qualifications here, and he has none.

439 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:35:16am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it just too large to upload?

440 VioletTiger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:35:39am

Morning firends! First frost this morning.

Just on Fox news....fish may vote in Ohio...at they are registered in the Ohio River.

Oh, and GO PHILLY!

441 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:35:53am

re: #437 Jim in Virginia

Grins..that's where I work, and watched the video of it!

442 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:35:54am

re: #414 fat bastard vegetarian

FBV!
Where are you today?

443 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:36:48am

re: #435 Sharmuta

ditto

444 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:37:50am

re: #426 summergurl

How do I link to a previous comment where the comment number turns blue? I have always copied and pasted and yes I feel dumb..
lol

Use the "reply" or "quote" next to the comment time.

445 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:37:52am

re: #437 Jim in Virginia
wow, care to elaborate? Remeber I'm in China right now

446 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:38:25am

re: #440 VioletTiger

I posted a link about that yesterday... One need not have an official address there, and you can use a homeless shelter as a valid address. And, the worst part is, they pretty much have to accept them, even though you may not even live there!

447 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:39:29am

Woke up to the radio this morning and first thing heard the CBC news broadcast. Their lead story was Powell endorsing Obama, and the "reporting" of this "news item" was so incredibly yellow I just wanted to go back to bed. It spoke matter-of-factly of McCain's campaign being bitterly divisive and racist. I could not believe what I was hearing. McCain has been tripping over himself to NOT say anything divisive, in the midst of a shit-storm of vile filth from the Left, and he still seen as a "racist" in a nearby foreign country. This is a bizarro-world now. I don't believe what my eyes and ears are telling me.

448 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:40:14am
449 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:40:14am

re: #440 VioletTiger

Morning firends! First frost this morning.

Just on Fox news....fish may vote in Ohio...at they are registered in the Ohio River.

Oh, and GO PHILLY!


Send them to China, they eat any fish here. Had bullfrog soup last night... tasty!

451 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:41:31am

re: #441 rightside

That op is about to go black. They've got a six month construction project and then no one will hear about if for three or four years. The guys that work on it are an interesting crew- look like big ole Virginia farmrboys, you talk to them for five minutes and realize they are super smart.

452 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:42:45am
453 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:43:07am

re: #445 turn
No. Not if you're in China.
Apropos of nothing, Google is a good tool.

454 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:43:45am

re: #451 Jim in Virginia

Oh yeah! there are lots of "pocket protector" types here. I can't wait until they can create a portable, hand-held railgun!

455 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:43:46am

ok on the traslation for the little baseball card in the bedside drawer ..
" The absolute being oil in indial (wet turban). This article chooses to use the pure naural plan, refinement but using this article can the stron strengthen the shine, proloning an in time in sexual love aboe, the long war do not pour, the love is doubly, Amon them contains of disease, isure the sex live the safe happiness use over a long period of time, have no he poson side effect, have not results to show the habit, have no the dependenc." No spell check run .. verbatim ha

456 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:44:44am

re: #447 JohnAdams

Just wait until he looses

457 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:44:50am

re: #427 Jamie

Myself, I prefer this one:

As a key reason, Powell said: "I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

Geeeesh. I wonder which part of the Constitution he finds unacceptable?

458 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:45:55am

re: #452 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

The great spirit will keep the Dallas Cowboys it the lost column until the current thug ass crooked owner Jerry Jones sells to a real human .

taxfree,
I had no idea you were a Dallas fan.
me also.

Americas team with a communist/terrorists/ butt hole- owner?

459 3 wood  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:46:39am

Good Morning.

The Asian stock markets rose overnight.

Mumbai, Hong Kong set for rebound; Tokyo jumps

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Asian markets mostly advanced Monday, with Japanese indexes ending sharply higher as bargain buyers scooped up beaten-down stocks such as Nissan Motor Co., while Hong Kong and Mumbai shares looked well set in afternoon trading to snap out of a three-session losing streak.
South Korean stocks wavered between gains and losses, with financials broadly advancing after the government moved Sunday to calm jittery financial markets, saying it will back as much as $100 billion of banks' foreign-currency debt.
In Tokyo, the Nikkei 225 Average finished up 3.6% at 9,005.59, although it briefly slipped into negative territory during the session. The broader Topix index added 3.7% at 927.37.
Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index jumped 4.3% to 15,182.85 by late afternoon, while the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index soared 5.6% to 7,396.17.

There is a gradually growing feeling that we've found the bottom to this market.

460 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:46:50am

re: #452 taxfreekiller

That dog won't hunt couldn't even finish watching the game today. Dallas is a big disappointment, heard Pomo hurt his pinky ... ha

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:47:22am

re: #442 Jim in Virginia

FBV!
Where are you today?

Home in Roanoke right now, don't know where the day is gonna take me. Was downriver (bay?) from Dahlgren the other day. Heard some big booms. Are they shiny too? I am a guy and all. Shiny things that go boom and I get all enthused.

462 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:47:43am

re: #455 turn

The long war do not pour. Sage advice from the celestial kingdom.

463 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:47:46am

re: #456 turn

Just wait until he looses

If that happens, and I really don't think it will, we will see true seething here in our own streets. All of the moonbats I know are ready to come unhinged anyway, and that is while feeling pretty cocky and confident these days. If Obama loses I don't want to be anywhere near certain areas of this country the next day.

464 3 wood  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:48:02am

re: #452 taxfreekiller

The great spirit will keep the Dallas Cowboys it the lost column until the current thug ass crooked owner Jerry Jones sells to a real human .

That, plus the fact that their defense is awful.

465 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:48:11am

re: #448 taxfreekiller

Heard Farracaun sp? is preaching the rise of the Nation of Islam. Any coencidence? Don't think so...

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:48:48am

re: #439 rightside

Is it just too large to upload?

Didya see it. Wasn't it awesome! Yep. Too large. 34!

467 summergurl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:49:05am

As a key reason, Powell said: "I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."


Man, and here that is one of the reasons that I am voting for McCain.

468 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:50:17am

re: #457 Cap'n DOC

Myself, I prefer this one:

Geeeesh. I wonder which part of the Constitution he finds unacceptable?

As a I said before, it is interesting to see all of the jesters caving on their principles and jockeying for seats in the New Court.

469 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:50:48am

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can resize it easily... is that what you need?

470 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:52:02am

If Obama loses I don't want to be anywhere near certain areas of this country the next day.
Better than watching cage fighting,

Put a barrier around them and pass the popcorn.

471 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:52:10am

re: #459 3 wood


hey 3,

Where did the Dow close Friday?

472 Scion9  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:52:18am

re: #427 Jamie

I'm probably in the very small minority here, but I didn't care for the imputation of race as the deciding factor, based on the absence of liberal whites endorsed by Powell. Imagine the gross anti-Semitism that would come to the surface against Lieberman if McCain was Jewish.

If Lieberman had made comments about how electrifying it would be to finally have a Jewish President, and then endorsed a Jewish candidate of which he had no personal or professional relationship, against his Party and contrary to his political views, then criticisms against him would be very apt even if they weren't true.

Race isn't the only factor for Powell but I find it extremely unlikely that he would have stepped up to endorse a John Edwards, or a Hillary Clinton.

473 Spirit93  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:52:36am

re: #427 Jamie

I'm probably in the very small minority here, but I didn't care for the imputation of race as the deciding factor, based on the absence of liberal whites endorsed by Powell. Imagine the gross anti-Semitism that would come to the surface against Lieberman if McCain was Jewish.

Lieberman and McCain are longtime friends and agree on many things politically. Your comparison is meaningless.

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:52:41am

re: #469 rightside

How do you do that? Won't it effectively reduce it to the point where it loses it's, shall we say, oomph?

I see avatars that end up less than a 1/2 inch square (on the screen) they are practically illegible, much less the detail of the pictures.

475 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:54:07am

re: #462 Pullus Iulius

have no he posison side effect ... ha!

476 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:55:02am

re: #463 JohnAdams

buy ammo

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:55:09am

re: #475 turn

have no he posison side effect ... ha!

Turn? You been, uh, drinkin'?

478 3 wood  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:55:18am

re: #471 turn

hey 3,

Where did the Dow close Friday?

8,852.22

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:56:16am

re: #470 ibmkeyboard

What do you mean, you people?

heh...

480 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:56:57am

re: #474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Unfortunately, that would be the case... I wish Charles would allow a slightly larger avatars, I realize he's limiting the size to keep bandwidth down. But a percentage of avatars are completely illegible at that small size.

481 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Dalhgren Naval Surface Warfare Center." They have ten miles of river over which they can make things go boom. It could have been any number of things. I've sometimes wondered if Buck Rogers- like projects like the railgun (with a neat semi- official website and a couple of Youtube videos) are a false flag to get the Chinese and Russians and French to waste money on a project we know won't work.

482 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:58:58am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell yeah, I'm on vacation now. Having another shot of bijoo just now, drinks on me!

483 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 4:59:54am

re: #478 3 wood


Hey that wan't as bad as I had worried about. Is that close to a bottom 3w?

484 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:00:51am

re: #481 Jim in Virginia

They still regularly fire 16 inch rounds from the gun line. A billboard outside gate b proudly proclaims, "Praise our noise, it's the sound of freedom!"

Shakes the windows miles away.

485 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:01:43am

re: #480 rightside

Unfortunately, that would be the case... I wish Charles would allow a slightly larger avatars, I realize he's limiting the size to keep bandwidth down. But a percentage of avatars are completely illegible at that small size.


My motto, keep is simple. Well just look at my Avatar and you'll know what I'm talking about. No change the world attempts there. Hey drink up FBV!

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:01:59am

re: #482 turn

Well, it's five o'clock somewhere.

487 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:05:30am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I just looked at the limits for avatars... not more than 32KB. I cropped that image, and it turns out to be 20KB as a .gif.

If you upload that, it may be too small to see next to your post, but when you click on that to look at your profile, it will be fairly large, and easily seen that way, would you like me to email that image to you?

488 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:07:24am

Actually, I believe that even if McCain wins convincingly, the MSM will insist that he lost.

I am serious. They've gone that far off the deep end. They've reached the point where denying reality is a matter of course for them.

He could win 60% to 40% and they will say his Presidency is illegitimate from day one.

re: #29 wright1

I just got back from a weekend in Vermont & New Hampshire. Lovely country but man it is liberal land. Obama signs everywhere. I felt like an endangered species. And under the Dem Administration and Dem version of the ESA, I would not be protected.

So, anyway, if you read the MSM and you live in states like Vermont. N.H. or in my state, N.J. , you may think this is over. However, I am not willing to buy the hype. I know Brokaw would like to interview BHO's cabinet members and Matthews is waiting for McCain to come on his show to concede to save us all the trouble, but I am of the belief that we may have a Truman defeats Dewey headline awaiting us. For those who live in battleground states, your view? What are you hearing?

489 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:08:48am

Time for me to go oppress the masses and plunder the environment. Play safe, y'all.
3wood- did you hear that Ralph Stanley endorsed Barry?

490 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:09:46am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

8:12 PM here

491 Elcid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:10:51am

Wonder if the Obama's are elected, whether their cabinet members, other lackeys and foreign dignitaries can dance rap and hip-hop. You know kinda' like Powell did. Gosh, Ahamdinejad gettin' down, spinnin' on the floor.

Wow, our National Anthem defamed by Ludacris, Snoop Dog and others.

Now THAT is "change".

492 yochanan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:12:18am

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

48 points WOW

493 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:13:32am

Is it just me, or has anybody elses noticed an attitude shift in the media?
They seem to be even more smirky, like this is over.

494 rightside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:13:49am

Okay, working midnights, so heading to bed.

FBV, if you want that image, drop me a line.

Later.

495 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:13:51am

Good morning, Lizard Clan...

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:14:11am

re: #487 rightside

Whoa! Nic is blue (I think).

497 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:16:21am

Convincing People with Ideas at the Bookworm Room:

[Link: www.bookwormroom.com...]

498 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:16:24am

re: #495 scottishbuzzsaw


Hey Sbuzz .. or is the Schbuzz, or ... oh never mind

At any rate, how's it going?

499 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:17:48am

Good morning Lizards.....

500 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:18:54am

re: #498 turn

Hey Sbuzz .. or is the Schbuzz, or ... oh never mind

At any rate, how's it going?

LOL! Whatever. Going well here. We have a McCain rally in town today. Did I read you're having fun getting plastered in China?

501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:19:23am

Hey Dorian. Thread's moving kind of slow. What is up with you?

502 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:19:34am

re: #499 doriangrey

It's time for a fruit cup for all these waking Lizards. Wake up LOL

503 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:22:24am

re: #497 scottishbuzzsaw

Convincing People with Ideas at the Bookworm Room:

[Link: www.bookwormroom.com...]

Good morning marshmallow...... ;)

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:22:49am

re: #500 scottishbuzzsaw

China is not made of plaster silly. Cheap dinnerware is made of plaster.

And yep. Found fun things in the room too!

505 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:23:17am

re: #501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Dorian. Thread's moving kind of slow. What is up with you?

Not much, still working on clearing the night time cobwebs from my noggin.... ;)

506 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:24:43am

re: #503 doriangrey

Good morning marshmallow...... ;)

Mornin' hon...did you have a good weekend? And where's the coffee?! Damn, it's hard waking up today...*yawn*

507 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:25:25am

re: #500 scottishbuzzsaw

LOL! Whatever. Going well here. We have a McCain rally in town today. Did I read you're having fun getting plastered in China?

Yeah, you hear right. Well I wouldn't exactly say plastered (it's getting kind of hard to ype right now .. ha)

Yeah, the turnwife and I are having a blast. Room service just arrived with some supposedly noodle soup for her. She is bitching big time, it is too sweet. Just tasted it, she's right. Something always gets lost in the translation here, told her please don't bring them back. Who knows what we'll get next! ha.

Where ya at?

508 abolitionist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:26:13am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For an avatar, you need something with not so much detail in it. And the filesize must not exceed 32Kbytes (32767 or 32768 bytes). Supported filetypes are .JPG .GIF or .PNG

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:27:11am

re: #505 doriangrey

As we all seem to be. Dorian, look at this (what I thought would be) cool avatar.

[Link: www.tshirthell.com...]

Alas, was too big to use.

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:27:45am

re: #508 abolitionist

Yeah, I know. But it would've been cool. No?

511 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:28:09am

re: #506 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' hon...did you have a good weekend? And where's the coffee?! Damn, it's hard waking up today...*yawn*

Ok, but if you spill it and it melts a hole through anything, you got to replace it yourself.... ;)

512 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:28:37am

re: #507 turn

Where ya at?

Just west of St. Louis...in St. Charles county...BHO was in St. Louis yesterday drawing big crowds. Dems have run the city for over 50 years...hope you and the mrs. have a wonderful time!

513 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:29:36am

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As we all seem to be. Dorian, look at this (what I thought would be) cool avatar.

[Link: www.tshirthell.com...]

Alas, was too big to use.

Photoshop.... Resize, reformat, and it's your new avatar.... ;)

514 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:30:12am

re: #512 scottishbuzzsaw

Just west of St. Louis...in St. Charles county...BHO was in St. Louis yesterday drawing big crowds. Dems have run the city for over 50 years...hope you and the mrs. have a wonderful time!

ROTFLMAO.... She is the Mrs......

515 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:30:14am

re: #513 doriangrey

Lost all of it's fun when downsized.

516 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:30:18am

re: #511 doriangrey

Ok, but if you spill it and it melts a hole through anything, you got to replace it yourself.... ;)

LOL! It's a deal...Monday mornings call for an intense remedy...

517 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:30:57am

re: #515 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lost all of it's fun when downsized.

Well thats a drag......

518 MAS  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:31:30am

SoNancy Pelosi calls Obama "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time." One has to wonder, however, if this is the same God that Rev. Wright referred to when he shouted "God Damn America."

College students are like lemmings. Don't follow the crowd over the cliff.

Still, invite all of your friends to join this group!

Links:

Obama's Altitude Sickness - Charles Krauthammer
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Words Obama Will Regret - Ken Blackwell
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Hype: The Obama Effect movie site
[Link: hypemovie.com...]

John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account
[Link: www.usnews.com...]

Conservative Democrats Peeling Away From Obama - Gallup
[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Words That Joe Biden Would Like to Forget - Jim Geraghty
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

After Barack Obama hype, a backlash - Michael Goodwin
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Why Obama is in Trouble - Steven Warshawsky
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

A Catholic Case Against Barack - Pat Buchanan
[Link: townhall.com...]

Obama's Disastrous Energy Plan - Peter Ferrarra
[Link: spectator.org...]

The Audacity of Arrogance: The Fresh Prince of Hot Air - John J. Hopkins
[Link: www.madisonrecord.com...]

Who Does He Think He Is? - Charles Krauthammer
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Obama Dead Wrong on the Surge - Peter Wehner
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

Obama, Unrepentent Flip-Flopper
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Obama's Real Patriotism Problem - Jonah Goldberg
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

Unabashedly Unprincipled - Charles Krauthammer
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

The Facts Are Changing In Iraq - Michael Barone
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Ever-Changing Change - New York Post
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Barack Obama: Gaffe Machine
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

The Speech: A Brilliant Fraud - Charles Krauthammer
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Obama and Iraq - Michael Gerson
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Obama's Constitution - Edward Whelan
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Obama's Truthiness About Farrakhan - Diana West
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 - National Journal
[Link: nj.nationaljournal.com...]

It's All About Him - Bill Kristol
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Media Start Falling Out of Love With Obama - Margaret Carlson
[Link: bloomberg.com...]

The Real Obama - Ken Blackwell
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Obama the Messiah of Generation Narcissism - Kathleen Parker
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]


The Obama Delusion - Robert Samuelson
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

519 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:32:10am

re: #514 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... She is the Mrs......

Opp's my bad.... Thought turn was saying that to you....

520 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:32:24am

Good Morning Lizards!
Thank gawd for coffee.. How is everyone today?

521 MAS  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:33:11am

The above links just part of the "Every Clueless Person I know Likes Obama" on facebook. Currently 7,000 strong and growing every day.

522 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:33:21am

re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

China is not made of plaster silly. Cheap dinnerware is made of plaster.

And yep. Found fun things in the room too!

Beginning to realize, it's not so much what you know here in China .. it's who you know. Driving about 6 hrs across country today ( not me, you'd have to be insane to do that.. the driver that is). Ran across about 1/2 mi of nothing but those huge porcelain pots alongside the middle of the freeway planted with beautiful plants. Somebody at the MOC no undoubtedly knew some relative who was in the business, and low and behold a year's inventory ends up in the middle of the freeway!

523 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:33:24am

re: #519 doriangrey

Opp's my bad.... Thought turn was saying that to you....

No prob...have some more coffee...Hoops is here!

524 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:33:44am

re: #517 doriangrey

Well thats a drag......

Yeah. Kind of a drag...

525 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:34:16am

re: #520 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Thank gawd for coffee.. How is everyone today?

Apparently were all suffering from excessive night time cobwebs in our noggins... I'm passing out US Navy grade battery acid coffee if ya need some.... ;)

526 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:34:20am

re: #520 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Thank gawd for coffee.. How is everyone today?


Just chillin, havin a Bud, wazzzzzzzzzup?

527 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #526 opnion

Just chillin, havin a Bud, wazzzzzzzzzup?

BEER.... It's not just for breakfast anymore..... ;p

528 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:36:48am

re: #520 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Thank gawd for coffee.. How is everyone today?

Mornin' HH! It feels much too Mondayish already...did you have a good weekend?

529 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:36:51am

Well let's see..The Colts get destroyed..The Sox are sent home..It's cold outside and I'm tired..
Other than that.. I feel good!

530 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:09am

re: #527 doriangrey

BEER.... It's not just for breakfast anymore..... ;p


It just goes so well with vodka & Cherrios

531 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:11am

Mornin all. Just heard Alec Baldwin is on the Marlon Brando diet.

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:33am

re: #526 opnion

Just chillin, havin a Bud, wazzzzzzzzzup?

The other day, a lizard was talking about losing his/her "bud connection" over an argument over abortion and politics.

Was a bit surreal.

"My dealer is just not conservative enough!"

533 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:58am

morning all, just got back in from my paper job, saw at least 3 new McCain/Palin yard signs,, ( i deliver almost 400 homes) tomorrow if i am not too late i will try to get a good count of mccain v omamma signs, it will be my own non scientific poll,, and tuesday Sara Palin will be here so i am going to get a picture of my dog (pit bull) enlarged and put some nice pink lipstick on her and make a sign that says this pit bull is for palin,, gotta go take a nap now befor i have to go to my "real job" at 830am

have a great lizard day, keep positive thoughts! and don't let the omabatons get you down, (i know i am guilty of that too)

534 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:12am

re: #527 doriangrey

BEER.... It's not just for breakfast anymore..... ;p

Egg McMuffins and beer...mmmm..good..
/not

535 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:23am

re: #531 pingjockey

Mornin all. Just heard Alec Baldwin is on the Marlon Brando diet.

Mornin' ping...uh, what's the Marlon Brando diet?

536 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:29am

re: #512 scottishbuzzsaw

Just west of St. Louis...in St. Charles county...BHO was in St. Louis yesterday drawing big crowds. Dems have run the city for over 50 years...hope you and the mrs. have a wonderful time!

The turnwife was in SL with me on business quite a few years back. She happened to sort of get lost in a bad part of town. Pulled over to ask for directions and ended up buying the best BBQ sauce we've ever tasted.. she says something like Billy Ray? Can't remember right now.

537 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:39:29am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The other day, a lizard was talking about losing his/her "bud connection" over an argument over abortion and politics.

Was a bit surreal.

"My dealer is just not conservative enough!"

Irony thick enough to cut with a butter knife.

538 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:39:32am

re: #514 doriangrey

?

539 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:39:53am

re: #536 turn

The turnwife was in SL with me on business quite a few years back. She happened to sort of get lost in a bad part of town. Pulled over to ask for directions and ended up buying the best BBQ sauce we've ever tasted.. she says something like Billy Ray? Can't remember right now.


sweet Baby Ray

540 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:25am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The other day, a lizard was talking about losing his/her "bud connection" over an argument over abortion and politics.

Was a bit surreal.

"My dealer is just not conservative enough!"


I do recall that. Families are actually breaking down over this election.
I have a moonbat wing in my own family, but noone is going to sever any relations over it.

541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:35am

re: #533 bcgirl

How doggone early do you have to get up to deliver 400 newspapers and be home by 8:40 EST?

542 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:38am

re: #535 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' ping...uh, what's the Marlon Brando diet?

Slices of Marlon Brando sauteed in garlic and butter with fava beans on the side.... ;O

543 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:41:05am

re: #518 MAS
Too much info, please summarize :.)

544 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:41:55am

re: #537 doriangrey

Irony thick enough to cut with a butter knife.

McCain may lose the crack head and Junkie Vote...
I'd like to see more ad's targeting that demographics..
/

545 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:42:01am

re: #520 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Thank gawd for coffee.. How is everyone today?


Neehow HH, drinks on me!

546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:42:03am

re: #543 turn

heh.

547 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:42:10am

re: #538 turn

?

My bad.... I thought it was you telling Scottish

Just west of St. Louis...in St. Charles county...BHO was in St. Louis yesterday drawing big crowds. Dems have run the city for over 50 years...hope you and the mrs. have a wonderful time!

548 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:43:58am

re: #536 turn

The turnwife was in SL with me on business quite a few years back. She happened to sort of get lost in a bad part of town. Pulled over to ask for directions and ended up buying the best BBQ sauce we've ever tasted.. she says something like Billy Ray? Can't remember right now.


Sweet Baby Ray?

549 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:37am

re: #542 doriangrey

Slices of Marlon Brando sauteed in garlic and butter with fava beans on the side.... ;O

Eeew.

Must try to get brain in gear and get ready for the rally. Have a great day, Lizard Clan!

550 abolitionist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:43am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Indeed.

I've recently lost the right-click-on-avatar functionality to see user info. I just get the LGF front page instead, always.

98se/Firefox v2.0.0.17 here. I'm using NoScript with almost everything allowed for LGF, but IE6 behaves similarly, and they both used to work. Well, FF v 2.0.0.16 used to. Ideas, anyone?

551 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:45:06am

i get up to do the papers between 1 and 2 am and get done ususlly by 430 or 5am then i go on line to LGF for a while then goto bed for a short hour to maybe 2 hour nap and then goto my day job till 5pm then i try to have some kind of life for a few hours and then have to be back in bed by at least 9m or 10 pm to sleep befor the papers,,

this is how i have managed to keep my house from forclosure, however, my truck broke down so i had to get a new car and gas is more now than when i started this so in effect i really am in worse shape than when i started, all i can do is keep trying and try to pay what i can,

if obama does get elected though, i might just quit both jobs and go on obama welfare, i am tired!
re: #541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How doggone early do you have to get up to deliver 400 newspapers and be home by 8:40 EST?

552 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:45:28am

re: #533 bcgirl

Hey BC, reminds me of the day I threw papers. May I ask how old you are? Young conservatives are such a thing to enjoy these days.

553 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:45:30am

re: #548 opnion

Sweet Baby Ray?

The best BBQ sauce in the world...

554 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:03am

re: #544 HoosierHoops

McCain may lose the crack head and Junkie Vote...
I'd like to see more ad's targeting that demographics..
/

Yup, the dems have that vote locked up for sure.... Pick em up in school buses, buy them dope, hold their hands till they vote, give em their dope... Done deal and the dems been doing it pretty much all my life...

555 elrushbuni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:15am
556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:34am

Ha! Surfing channels, on SCIFI at 9am EST movie coming on. Called "Blood Surf". Get this, on the info thingy...

"Surfers become a giant crocodile's seafood buffet"

Looks good. Get's one star from the reviewers. Worth watching? Anybody seen it?

557 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:21am

re: #535 scottishbuzzsaw
Eat anything and everything! Then have to wear nothing but black all the time to hide his Shamu-esque proportions.

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:45am

re: #551 bcgirl

Damn girl. You're a better man than I!

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:44am

re: #555 elrushbuni

Don't care. Too late. Just get out and work for McCain.

Sheesh.

560 opnion  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:45am

re: #553 HoosierHoops

The best BBQ sauce in the world...


It is goooooood! I do know a guy in Indiana, who make his own sauces & rubs. He has a big smoker & gets in lots of competitions. His stuff is pretty good.

561 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:49:53am

re: #539 HoosierHoops

She says "Ok, I was close". She's watching these Chinese soap operas right now. Hey, if you ever want to learn the language the soaps are a great place to start... no kidding. Oh, and the commericals too. We're cracking up right now, she found "Just Go!" hahahah

562 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:50:41am

re: #552 turn

Hey BC, reminds me of the day I threw papers. May I ask how old you are? Young conservatives are such a thing to enjoy these days.


i am 48 - i do this because i was a single mother with no child support and i was about to lose my home because i have one of those mortages that has caused thee problem we have now,, i cannot get refid now though because i have a trailer on land but because the trailer is a 1972, it is too old to finance (even with the place i already have my mortage with) so i am stuck in a equity line of credit at a high interest rate,, it is all my fault though, because i am the one who sighned the dotted line, no one made me do it, they did make it look sweet though like it would be no big deal, well they were wrong and so was i but i willbe the one paying till i die for it

563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:52:28am

Hey! Mother, Jugs & Speed is on. Heh.

564 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:52:35am

Y'all have a good day, even if it is Monday!

565 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:52:53am

re: #564 pingjockey

Y'all have a good day, even if it is Monday!

You too ping....

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:05am

Raquel Welch was purty!

567 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:34am

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Raquel Welch was purty!

Aye matey, that she was....

568 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:44am

We live in a middle-class, very integrated neighborhood and it's interesting to watch this year and difficult to not notice the racial angle. Black/white older couple across the street: first to put the Obama sign in their yard. New black lawyer family: Obama sign. Black minister and his family: No Obama sign but a "No on prop.2" which means no fetal tissue research so that might be promising. Black (Caribbean, I think) couple around the corner: GOP precinct delegate.

569 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:50am

she still is!


re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Raquel Welch was purty!

570 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:14am

re: #553 HoosierHoops

The best BBQ sauce in the world...

Turnwife says that was it "so what" Oh well ... too much bijoo to disagree. There was only one better, we ordered it from the guy who made it on his back porch. What is up with the BBQ sauce in SL anyway, it seems to be the best anywhere.

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:03am

re: #569 bcgirl

she still is!

Oh yes! Ever read Forrest Gump? There is a very funny chapter with Raquel in it. Very funny!

572 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:26am

re: #571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh yes! Ever read Forrest Gump? There is a very funny chapter with Raquel in it. Very funny!

have not read it just saw the movie,, maybe i will though, i like books that are funny

573 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:38am

re: #555 elrushbuni

too much infor (cracking up at my own typo), please summarize ..
infor ... hahahah

574 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:41am

I cant believe the Red Socks didn't make the World Series-

Did Acorn jiggle the polls?

575 doriangrey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:56am

Well darn it, seems to be time for this Lizard to scuttle off and do that thing that Lizards do best... Yup, that's right, time to go to work... See ya all on the flip-flop....

576 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:03am

Good morning all. Anything interesting happen here this weekend. I've been outa touch having done my duty for G-D and Country. I never like Powell and never will. I blame him for a whole host of things: Stopping Gulf War 1 to early thereby making Gulf War 2 necessary, failing to get the 4th ID into Turkey, Botching the whole UN thing. But it wasn't till yesterday, although I know it has been in the cards for months, that he showed what an ingrate he is. All he is, he owes to the Bush Family and the Republican party! I could go on and on about Powell, but I prefer not to get my blood pressure up.

577 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:47am

re: #574 ibmkeyboard

I cant believe the Red Socks didn't make the World Series-

Did Acorn jiggle the polls?

No that was Manny doing that?

578 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:07am

I just posted this link in Spinoffs, and since this will essentially become a dead thread, I thought I'd put it out here in the comments as well. It was hit by a number of comments on Saturday, and got some very mixed reactions. It is a long read - some sixty plus pages - but well worth a read. Obama the Hypnotist.

579 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:32am

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No, but I'm watching "just go" ha.

It's so friggin funny, a combination of American Idol and some athletic competition with an obstacle course complete with this treadmill that douses most competitors on the first run. Only in China!

580 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:40am

re: #578 Cap'n DOC

I just posted this link in Spinoffs, and since this will essentially become a dead thread, I thought I'd put it out here in the comments as well. It was hit by a number of comments on Saturday, and got some very mixed reactions. It is a long read - some sixty plus pages - but well worth a read. Obama the Hypnotist.

Will the test be multiple choice or essay?

581 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:53am

Good Morning Lizards .....

Just because McCain will not bring back the Rev. Wright ....... there is no reason we cannot ........maybe we should bring him back and pass him along to our email friends ...... for an encore ...... it's better the second time around ....

582 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:15am

i totally agree, Powell is such a traitor, i am sorry but i don't believe that is it NOT about race for him he has never seemed to be such a liberal lover, unless all this time he as been "in the closet" so to speak, and here i thought that he would be one of the better choices for our first black president, i guess i would have been wrong on that too,, i think i wil go to sleep now,, see you all a little later today,,nap time!


re: #576 Nevergiveup

Good morning all. Anything interesting happen here this weekend. I've been outa touch having done my duty for G-D and Country. I never like Powell and never will. I blame him for a whole host of things: Stopping Gulf War 1 to early thereby making Gulf War 2 necessary, failing to get the 4th ID into Turkey, Botching the whole UN thing. But it wasn't till yesterday, although I know it has been in the cards for months, that he showed what an ingrate he is. All he is, he owes to the Bush Family and the Republican party! I could go on and on about Powell, but I prefer not to get my blood pressure up.

583 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:08am

re: #562 bcgirl

I'll say a prayer for you tonight. I am tired and poorer than I'd like and there's two of us raising the kids. I can't imagine the exhaustion, not that you were looking for pity, but have some awe on my part instead.

584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:03am

re: #583 Spenser (with an S)

I've got a whole bunch of awe.

585 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:21am

thanks spencer,, really i think we are all in this together one way or another, without the support of friends and internet ones are just as important, i would never make it! ok really going to sleep now,,


a href="/showc/583/6071928" target="_blank">#583 Spenser (with an S)

I'll say a prayer for you tonight. I am tired and poorer than I'd like and there's two of us raising the kids. I can't imagine the exhaustion, not that you were looking for pity, but have some awe on my part instead.

586 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #576 Nevergiveup
Stopping Gulf War 1 to early thereby making Gulf War 2 necessary,
My Nephew served as a Marine in Gulf 1.

He still cusses Powell today.

I am afraid to let him know Powell endorsed OBamba,
and I hope he doesn't find out.

The house will go up in smoke!

587 bosforus  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:00am

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

588 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:27am

re: #562 bcgirl

Sorry .. How old is you child?

589 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:32am

re: #587 bosforus

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

Sorry, no reassurances here. It will all go to hell. So, he better not get elected.

590 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:56am

re: #587 bosforus

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

I can't. Do what i intend to do--drink heavily!

591 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:42am

re: #587 bosforus
I'm an optimist by birth!
But I agree ...things are looking dicy from my perspective!

592 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:59am

re: #588 turn 22 grown and gone on his own now he helps me out when he can but does not want to live at home, he is trying to get into school but since he is not over 25 the loan application for any grants or loans has to have the parent on as a cosigner and my credit sucks, so he will and is learning that to make his dream come true he will have to work hard like his mother did

Sorry .. How old is you child?

593 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:16am

re: #567 doriangrey

Aye matey, that she was....

http://www.sandimari.com/photogallery/Salon/raquel -welch-011-img.jpg

Seems like some of the Pics are blocked here

594 bosforus  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:23am

re: #589 Tigger2005
re: #590 Nevergiveup
re: #591 reloadingisnotahobby

Awww crap.

595 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:35am
596 bcgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:15am

re: #588 turn
but I just turned 48 if that is what you meant

Sorry .. How old is you child?
597 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:42am

re: #576 Nevergiveup

Don't sweat it, you're right and you know it.

598 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:42am

Well good morning all y'all - from a COLD (34 degrees going up to 69 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

599 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:06am

Read this crappy endorsement for McCain from the "Bristol Herald Courier Editorial Board." At least they get the endorsement right, even if it's for a bunch of dumbass wrong reasons. Just totally oblivious loons.

In one area, McCain raises concerns. He’s far too willing to commit troops to Iraq for the long haul and seems to support military action against Iran. He seems poised to embrace the destructive Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war. We hope we are wrong.

Dumb stupid F*CKS.

While the Republicans have squandered our nation’s blood and treasure through a combination of incompetence, idealogy and greed, now is not the time for the pendulum to swing completely in the other direction.

WTF?!

600 Teacake!  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:14am

Considering Powell is practically family with the "royal" saudies, his endorsement could also be about sticking it to Israel.

I would love it if someone in the media asked Powell what he believes are BOs qualifications for such a huge and important job.

Also, as someone from the State Dept, as we know here, he and it, gives no indication to ever have America's interest in heart.

601 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:31am

re: #587 bosforus

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

He has a 5.5 lead with 2 weeks left.

Many of the polls say he must have an 8 point lead to cover the 'Racists' voters.
Those voters that say they will vote for a Black man, but won't.

I think McCain will win,
Unless he picks up his dog by its ears or something stupid.

602 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:51am

re: #599 Tigger2005

Read this crappy endorsement for McCain from the "Bristol Herald Courier Editorial Board." At least they get the endorsement right, even if it's for a bunch of dumbass wrong reasons. Just totally oblivious loons.

WTF?!

Sorry, forgot linky:

[Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

603 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:42am

Good morning Lizards. I just watched the appalling video from the last thread. Makes me sick. I was downloading all my old CD's to my Itunes yesterday and came across the perfect song for the Obama camp.

My sincere apologies to the peppers and anyone who loves this song. Anthony, if you are out there, I will still bear your children.

Obama theme song

604 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:37am

re: #587 bosforusYES, an Obama Presidenc (shudder) would still leave sanity in the World and in this country - and better yet would confine those who deserve to be, but have not yet been, committed to mostly Washington D.C.
Take slow deep breaths, drink some cool water and relax. Please.
Oh and btw, Obama ain't gonna win.

605 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:30am

Good Morning all!

I see Powell's endorsement had an effect on the Zogby poll already.

I have a really bad feeling about this right now. I'll snap out of it, but I'm worried the voting public won't.

606 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:34am

re: #595 Wyatt Earp
How 's it goin in the City of Brotherly Love?
Still killin each other?
Sorry ! That wasn't very nice!

607 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:49am

re: #473 Spirit93

Lieberman and McCain are longtime friends and agree on many things politically. Your comparison is meaningless.

Politically, Lieberman only deviates from Democratic orthodoxy on Iraq and some other Mid East matters. From gay rights to abortion to economics to the environment, Joe Lieberman is practically indistinguishable from Ted Kennedy. Had Lieberman won the 2006 CT SEN Dem primary, I'm quite sure he would have bit his own lip and either backed Obama or quietly sat on the sidelines.

And if McCain was Jewish, you can imagine what kind of ugliness we would have seen from the far left with a Lieberman endorsement. Dual loyalty, Israel first, Jews are all in cahoots, etc. etc. Accusing Powell of endorsing Obama based on race, rather than just being wrong (like Jim Leach or Lincoln Chafee), isn't much better.

608 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:48am

re: #587 bosforus

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

I think McCain is still in this thing, and has a good chance to win. So don't be too gloomy, get out and VOTE!

If there is one thing this country does really well, it is that we survive the worst that can be thrown at us. So even if Obama wins (let's pretend it's possible), we will be OK. Really.

609 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:26am

re: #601 ibmkeyboard

Now there's the spirit. Please don't mention dogs ("go" her in China) I miss my black lab sooo much! BTW cat is "Mao" in Chinese.

610 Teacake!  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:27am

I would also like someone in the media to ask BO what specifically he has in mind when he says he plans not only to change America, but the world as well. So world, you too are in line for change, not just us. President of the WOrld. Just great. A sleazy Chicago attorney with no real qualifications to be anything other than a sleazy attorney has set his ambitions on changing the world to fit his vision. This sounds more and more like an emperor or worthy of zeg heil. (sp?)

611 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:41am

re: #601 ibmkeyboard
Hey Bro' - good morning to you! You know that Rueters/CNN/Zogby poll had McCain within THREE POINTS of Obama yesterday and even though the poll was conducted before Sir Colin made his endorsement, I think his enorsement will hurt as much as help; it certainly won't give Obama anything close to a 2-3 point bump in the polls!

612 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:59am

re: #604 realwest
I but a lot of stock in your opinion Real....
For real....
So keep it up!
It may brighten this drizly day for me!

613 Alouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:31am

re: #15 conservativeChick

Well isn't this special: 'Family Guy' Character Wears Nazi Uniform With McCain-Palin Button
Go F*ck yourself McFartlane you socialist pinko commie PIG! G-D! I just can't take it with all this teens drinking everything this guy says on his tasteless, unfunny shows. You would think he would appreciate America more since McFartlane almost got killed on 9/11(his flight got canceled). But being a socialist liberal I guess that doesn't apply to him. What a scumbag.

Eric Cartman would never wear a McCain/Palin button on his Hitler costume. That is just so totally gay.

614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:45am

Proud idiot here. Can someone please explain this to me? Please!

AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign

615 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:04am
616 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #605 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Y'all got a link for that Zogby poll ( and please see my #611)?

617 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #587 bosforus

I wish I could cheer you up...but, as far as The Zero winning the election, followed by great things occurring -- the likelihood of that, imo, is extremely remote...I fully expect the MSM will continue to see itself as the State Organ of Propaganda to Spread the Word about the Wonders of Zero...along with demonizing all dissenters (in other words, the "free" press will willfully choose to align itself with His Highness...I caught a glimpse the other day of a program -- was it CNN? -- which promised its viewers to "Name Names" (ie., cite the enemies of The State) in the financial crisis -- conveniently, of course, they pre-decided that the number of the culpable (or "guilty as charged") would be TEN...yes, what a joke...

618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:46am

re: #610 Teacake!

I would also like someone in the media to ask BO what specifically he has in mind when he says he plans not only to change America, but the world as well. So world, you too are in line for change, not just us. President of the WOrld. Just great. A sleazy Chicago attorney with no real qualifications to be anything other than a sleazy attorney has set his ambitions on changing the world to fit his vision. This sounds more and more like an emperor or worthy of zeg heil. (sp?)

Seig Heil. But I digress...

Doesn't matter if they ask anymore... he'd launch into his "tax cuts for 95%" BS and the press would lap it up.

Nothing he says has anything to do with his actual plans.

Has Bill Ayers ever written what he'd change in America if he had the chance? That might be the only way to find out.

619 Alouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:06am

re: #600 Teacake!

Considering Powell is practically family with the "royal" saudies, his endorsement could also be about sticking it to Israel.

I would love it if someone in the media asked Powell what he believes are BOs qualifications for such a huge and important job.

Also, as someone from the State Dept, as we know here, he and it, gives no indication to ever have America's interest in heart.

We know that anyone who goes into the DOS gets a "makeover" by the Gang of Saud.

620 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:15am

re: #605 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

hey vet, link please? Collin's endorsement means nothing, he's fishing for the SDF position. What a f#$%^ opportunist.

621 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:50am

re: #610 Teacake!

The WORLD will LIKE AMERICA BETTER! Isn't that the only important thing?

/

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:20am

re: #609 turn

Now there's the spirit. Please don't mention dogs ("go" her in China) I miss my black lab sooo much! BTW cat is "Mao" in Chinese.

Like this?...Chairman Meow

623 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:29am

re: #611 realwest

Hey Bro' - good morning to you! You know that Rueters/CNN/Zogby poll had McCain within THREE POINTS of Obama yesterday and even though the poll was conducted before Sir Colin made his endorsement, I think his endorsement will hurt as much as help; it certainly won't give Obama anything close to a 2-3 point bump in the polls!


morning real
34 degrees,
I am having to wear my winter leather flip flops.

Bambi is going down!

624 Teacake!  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:41am

I think its easy to predict that it is going to take months really to find out the results of this election with all the fraud going on. The drama that will follow will be very interesting. There is no way this is a clean and lawful election.

Also, who decides what goes on in the electoral college? I've still never understood how that works.

625 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:42am

re: #619 Alouette

LOL.

Extreme Foggy Bottom Makeover: Wahabi Edition

626 eon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:49am

re: #591 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm an optimist by birth!
But I agree ...things are looking dicy from my perspective!

Morning, Lizards.

Maybe a bright spot here. The Cincinnati Enquirer has just completed an investigation of voter registration by ACORN which concludes that most of their "new registrants" probably do not really exist.

Like the ones whose confirmation cards, sent through the mail, were returned because their addresses were invalid. Some such addresses were determined to be where, if they existed, they would be in the Ohio River. Others were supposedly in a housing development that isn't even built yet. And a substantial number gave their addresses as Cincinnati's City Hall.

Apparently, their investigation turned up so many "irregularities" like this that there will be an investigation before the election- which the Dems are trying to stop at all costs.

Interestingly enough, if you Google "Cincinnati Enquirer" and "voter registration fraud", it takes you to an article dated 20 Oct 2004. Which describes essentially what's going on in Ohio right now. And which puts the blame squarely on the Democrats.

Now, either that article is misdate on the year, or this is not a recent development in Ohio.

Sorry I don't have a link, but their server seems to have an argument with FF3.

cheers

eon

627 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:52am

re: #615 ploome hineni

yo,touts

I voted yesterday

:D

My older daughter got her absentee ballot yesterday at college and she will be sending hers in today. She seems excited.

628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:53am

re: #616 realwest

Yeah, same poll... had him w/i 3 yesterday.
Zogby

629 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:59am

re: #613 Alouette

Thank you for the great belly laugh on this monday morning.

630 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:23:08am

re: #623 ibmkeyboard

I put my sandals away this weekend :(

WAAAAAAA

631 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:23:08am

re: #613 Alouette

Eric Cartman would never wear a McCain/Palin button on his Hitler costume. That is just so totally gay.

Cartman's feelings on Family Guy are well documented.

632 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:23:10am

re: #612 reloadingisnotahobby Thanks for the kind words! But I've ALWAYS believed that when the average American voter (i.e., not ACORN procured) gets into the voting booth) he or she votes for the candidate that he or she can TRUST the most and right now, that's CLEARLY McCain.

633 Born_to_lose  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:23:49am

So, the stomach acid that collected in my throat last night upon reading the wretched news about my once hero but now traiterous, Colin Powell, subsided a little bit by the time I woke up this morning. However, now that I am reading that Obama is finding a place for Powell in his hypothetical dictatorsh- errr, I mean, administration, I think, I think that acid may in fact become the catalyst for some sort of projectile vomiting later on this morning. The espresso/latte thing that I had this morning did not help, of course, but I really feel that this country has totally lost not only it's marbles, but now, with this move, it's collective balls. I am mad as hell, and I won't take it anymore!

634 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:40am
635 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:50am

re: #615 ploome hineni

yo,touts

I voted yesterday

:D

who'd you vote for?
;)

636 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:04am

If an endorsement from Powell is the best they can get,
too bad.

Now Raquel Welch would have swayed me!

637 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:47am

re: #633 Born_to_lose

So, the stomach acid that collected in my throat last night upon reading the wretched news about my once hero but now traiterous, Colin Powell, subsided a little bit by the time I woke up this morning. However, now that I am reading that Obama is finding a place for Powell in his hypothetical dictatorsh- errr, I mean, administration, I think, I think that acid may in fact become the catalyst for some sort of projectile vomiting later on this morning. The espresso/latte thing that I had this morning did not help, of course, but I really feel that this country has totally lost not only it's marbles, but now, with this move, it's collective balls. I am mad as hell, and I won't take it anymore!

Hopefully our "bloodless revolution" will go better than Russia's, since unlike Russia we have a history of capitalism and democracy to fall back on.

638 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:48am
639 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:03am

re: #604 realwest

Hey, Realwest. Good morning to you. I'm glad I read your comment all the way through! You're right, of course.

640 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:23am

re: #587 bosforus

Can anyone reassure me that an Obama presidency will still leave room for sanity in this world? Feeling rather gloomy this morning.

Remember that we are the greatest nation in the world, and that is bigger than any one political leader. I think McCain is speaking the truth when he says he's about six points down, but I also think McCain still has a fighting chance. Underestimating him has been an error made by many a man in the past.

641 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:35am

re: #636 ibmkeyboard
Ha! Swayed you?
Or swooned you!
Colin Powell once again...Crawfishin Bastard!

642 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:49am

re: #633 Born_to_lose

I know it seems horrible. But you can look at it this way. If Obama wins (and we are able to put aside the horrible consequences on our economy) do you realize the material we will have for LGF? It will be a fun fun four years!

643 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:12am

re: #624 Teacake!

CNN -- the State Organ, etc. -- did a thingy about Florida -- the CNN people are claiming (like, hey, how in the hell do they know?) that the early votes being cast are all heavily for The Zero...(this could be just more CNN shilling for The One).

644 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:17am

re: #455 turn
LOL Have you ever tried to assemble something made in China with directions wriiten in that manner? When you're done laughing you have to figure it out on your own.

645 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:30am

I just thought of a new bumper sticker this morning.

Be a slave again.
Vote Obama!

What do you think?

646 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:31am

re: #621 WriterMom

The WORLD will LIKE AMERICA BETTER! Isn't that the only important thing?

/

i just don't get this? " the world will like america better."
these envious, angry 3rd worlders all want to come here.
they obviously like us well enough to risk life and limb to do it.

hey WriterMom.

647 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:41am

re: #636 ibmkeyboard

If an endorsement from Powell is the best they can get,
too bad.

Now Raquel Welch would have swayed me!

Something tells me that she's a closet Republican, maybe its that after Cindy McCain & Sarah Palin, I just assume that every classy, beautiful older woman is a Republican!

648 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:58am

re: #638 sparrowlake

Good Morning LGF.
Bad news from Zogby - Obama lead doubles from 2.7% to 5.4%.

Yup. It's the Powell effect.

Stupid undecided voter: "He can't be such a bad guy after all ... Powell is endorsing him!"

649 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:04am

re: #626 eon

Sorry, too late.

650 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:17am

re: #642 bellamags

I know it seems horrible. But you can look at it this way. If Obama wins (and we are able to put aside the horrible consequences on our economy) do you realize the material we will have for LGF? It will be a fun fun four years!

Not good. Never sacrifice your country for material.

That, and who says the unleashed "H" won't outlaw sites like LGF along with Talk Radio in the 2009 Fairness Doctrine.

651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:20am

re: #642 bellamags

Wouldn't call it fun. But, you're right.

652 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:28am

PIMF That would be written.

653 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:28am

re: #637 Tigger2005

Hopefully our "bloodless revolution" will
go better than Russia's, since unlike Russia we have a history of
capitalism and democracy to fall back on.

I like the idea of a bloodless coup - all poisonings!
/

654 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:37am

Morning all!

So, Colin Powell endroses Barack Hussein Obama... Hmmm... I don't think it's because he espouses his policies... Yeah, I am calling hypocritical racism here... I don't care...

All I hear around here in NY is that Obama is ready to take over. He has his cabinet in place and the names are scary... The NY Post yesterday took the time to identify the folks who may be in his administration and it is downright frightening...
Secretary of State: Bill Richardson
Attorney General: Janet Napolitano or Eric Holder
Homeland Security: Richard Clarke
National Security Advisor: Susan Rice

Yeah, frightening... You think we won't be attacked again?

655 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:40am

re: #643 J.S.

CNN -- the State Organ, etc. -- did a thingy about Florida -- the CNN people are claiming (like, hey, how in the hell do they know?) that the early votes being cast are all heavily for The Zero...(this could be just more CNN shilling for The One).

Someone reported that last week? How the F....K do they know that?

656 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:57am

re: #645 Eyes of Blue
I'd put it on the truck.......
But then I live in BFE Utah....
Wouldn't have quite the impact!

657 Alouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:14am

re: #631 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Cartman's feelings on Family Guy are well documented.

I watched the South Park "Family Guy" episode last night from the website, hoping that maybe they would show the uncensored version. Sadly, it is still the censored version.

658 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:34am

re: #642 bellamags

I
know it seems horrible. But you can look at it this way. If Obama wins
(and we are able to put aside the horrible consequences on our economy)
do you realize the material we will have for LGF? It will be a fun fun
four years!

LGF will be shut down as a "hate site."

659 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:00am

re: #658 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LGF will be shut down as a "hate site."

And we will all be investigated.

660 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:24am

re: #654 tfc3rid

Morning all!

So, Colin Powell endroses Barack Hussein Obama... Hmmm... I don't think it's because he espouses his policies... Yeah, I am calling hypocritical racism here... I don't care...

All I hear around here in NY is that Obama is ready to take over. He has his cabinet in place and the names are scary... The NY Post yesterday took the time to identify the folks who may be in his administration and it is downright frightening...
Secretary of State: Bill Richardson
Attorney General: Janet Napolitano or Eric Holder
Homeland Security: Richard Clarke
National Security Advisor: Susan Rice

Yeah, frightening... You think we won't be attacked again?

The names in that cabinet is an attack!

661 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:29am

re: #628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) They musta called those phone numbers right after Powell got through soiling himself and the MSM collectively were having a tingle up their legs- Obama leads among "conservatives" by 18% and among men by 2% ?!
I don't believe that poll at all.

662 Teacake!  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:29am

I think had McCain proposed the flat tax he might have got the interest of the undecided. How anyone can be undecided is astounding. Also, doing something about the federal reserve problem would have been great as well. I think the problem with McCain is that he hasn't really offered a distinct plan that "brings hope" that we will be able to sleep well each night.

663 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:39am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Just remember when you hear the NYT say that there's no voter fraud or that it's a minor issue, it isn't. It's a bigger issue than the Times will ever care to admit because it's involving big Democratic backers and their front groups. And they're already casting ballots.

664 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:52am

re: #659 Tigger2005

And we will all be investigated.

Before or after we are jailed?

665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:05am

re: #644 tappin52

LOL
Have you ever tried to assemble something made in China with directions
wriiten in that manner? When you're done laughing you have to figure it
out on your own.

I got some Chinese herbal balm from my Mom, who swears by it. Upon looking at the ingredients, I noticed that one of them was something called "Ricini semen!" WTF?

666 Irish Rose  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:18am

Drive-by howdy!

667 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:21am

re: #655 Nevergiveup

Because CNN "news" people are stuffing the ballot boxes? I have no idea how they can make such claims...

668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:42am

Anybody know about my 614?

669 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:53am

re: #633 Born_to_lose

You have my total support in retching on him.

670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:01am

re: #666 Irish Rose

Drive by purrrrrrrrrrr.

671 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:26am

re: #658 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

yikes.

672 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:44am

re: #654 tfc3rid

Morning all!

So, Colin Powell endroses Barack Hussein
Obama... Hmmm... I don't think it's because he espouses his policies...
Yeah, I am calling hypocritical racism here... I don't care...

All
I hear around here in NY is that Obama is ready to take over. He has
his cabinet in place and the names are scary... The NY Post yesterday
took the time to identify the folks who may be in his administration
and it is downright frightening...
Secretary of State: Bill Richardson
Attorney General: Janet Napolitano or Eric Holder
Homeland Security: Richard Clarke
National Security Advisor: Susan Rice

Yeah, frightening... You think we won't be attacked again?

Sect of Education: Bill Ayers

What was really distressing about Powell's endorsement is that he smeared McCain with the "Obama is a muslim" lie.

673 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:47am

How about:

There's a fungus among us.
Nobama

674 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:33:26am

re: #630 WriterMom

I put my sandals away this weekend :(

WAAAAAAA

No joke, these leather wide brim flip flops are warm.

my feet get hot walking around the house and I have a size 14 foot.

/not bragging or anything.

675 eon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:33:31am

re: #600 Teacake!

Considering Powell is practically family with the "royal" saudies, his endorsement could also be about sticking it to Israel.

I would love it if someone in the media asked Powell what he believes are BOs qualifications for such a huge and important job.

He'll make General Powell SecState again, and have John Bolton jailed for Felony Political Incorrectness?

I believe Gen. Powell believes he has a serious shot at his old job again with The One, and just the opposite with McCain. And there has never been any love lost between Powell and Bolton.

I also believe, however, that if The One tries to throw Israel to the wolves, Powell will at least try to talk him out of it. He may be "like that" with the Saud family, but he's also a U.S. Army general and no fool strategically. The loss of Isarel almost guarantees a MidEast dominated by Syria, Iran, and an increasingly-radical Egypt, which Gen. Powell has to realize courts disaster for the United States.

Of course, he may be surprised when The Messiah, upon hearing this, just smiles at him.

That's what making a deal with a "transformational leader" can get you, if you're not careful.

/As Hindenburg and Ludendorff found out the hard way, in 1934.

cheers

eon

676 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:33:37am

re: #659 Tigger2005

If they want to waste their time investigating me, then let them. I will go down fighting for my beliefs, LGF and all of you. Bring it on commies!

677 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:33:58am

re: #644 tappin52

LOL Have you ever tried to assemble something made in China with directions wriiten in that manner? When you're done laughing you have to figure it out on your own.

Ha, we're trying it just now and the translation is right on!

/kidding

678 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:10am

re: #656 reloadingisnotahobby

I'd put it on the truck.......
But then I live in BFE Utah....
Wouldn't have quite the impact!

How true.

679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:44am

Dionne Warwick's sister Dee Dee passed away. Sad. Wonder if Dionne saw that coming.

680 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:12am

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

bad bad bad

681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:18am

re: #674 ibmkeyboard

Sounds like snowshoes.

682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:49am

re: #680 bellamags

heh

683 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:55am

I am so disheartened that fraud and lawsuits are the way that American politics is practiced nowadays. Thanks, Al Gore.

684 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:19am

re: #661 realwest

They musta called those phone numbers right after Powell got through soiling himself and the MSM collectively were having a tingle up their legs- Obama leads among "conservatives" by 18% and among men by 2% ?!
I don't believe that poll at all.

They do evening polling, I think. He's been very stable and believable, so that one has me nervous. Rasmussen will update shortly and that will be another trend indicator.

That and I've been arguing with no avail with a hard-core independent (cough) friend. It's driving me crazy. He made me outline my fears for what will happen after he's elected. I don't think he believes me... and I watered down my fears.

685 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:28am

re: #643 J.S. If CNN DOES KNOW THAT, then there are at least 3 people going to a federal penitentiary near you:
1) whomever looked at the early votes (just cause you vote early doens't mean they are allowed to open the ballots and start counting) and
2) whomever at CNN #1 leaked the information too and
3) whomever the editor at CNN was who thought CNN should partake of such a serious Federal Crime.

686 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:37am

re: #683 tappin52

I am so disheartened that fraud and lawsuits are the way that American politics is practiced nowadays. Thanks, Al Gore.

Well he invented everything else also!

687 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:51am

re: #665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
EEEWWWWWW!

688 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:21am

Does anyone else think some of these people being polled are Operation Chaos people?

689 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:22am
690 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:55am

ROE vs. WADE


Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans,
was asked his views on Roe vs. Wade.

He said, he didn't care how people got back to their houses.

691 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:03am

re: #633 Born_to_lose
Do you have a link for where Obama has slotted Powell for a postion in his cabinet - and what postion?

692 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:08am

re: #658 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LGF will be shut down as a "hate site."

I completely agree... By April of 2009... Change will be in place...

693 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:28am

re: #580 Nevergiveup

Nope. No test, but gives you some things to look for in his speeches.

694 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:04am
695 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:13am

re: #653 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like the idea of a bloodless coup - all poisonings!
/


Banana flavored Kool-aid? mmmmmm.. GACK!
It tastes good but for some rea....*thud*

696 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:26am

re: #689 ploome hineni
Evil. Nothing but evil. It is not ignorance. That terrorist handbook called the koran says you must kill the infidels and unbelievers.

697 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:32am

I'm really struggling to understand this.

Despite the media blackout, people HAVE to know something by now about Wright, Ayers, ACORN, the voter fraud, BAIPA, Obama's role in the mortgage/financial crisis, his radical Marxist views, his associations with crooked politicians and businessmen in Chicago, his encouraging his followers and the media to use intimidation tactics, his willingness to let his goons destroy an ordinary Joe Citizen who asked him a simple question because HE gave an embarrassing answer. His sheer sleaziness.

Yet Obama is still leading in the polls.

It is apparent that people know all these things about Obama, yet THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

Is it possible that they've been fed so much "Bush lied people died," "Bush=Hitler," "The Patriot Act and wiretapping destroyed your freedoms and privacy," and "9/11 Trutheriness" crap that they honestly believe a socialist sock puppet crook like Obama would be an improvement?

698 Teacake!  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:37am

Well, I have this image in my mind that should he (g-d forbid) actually win the election, that once in office and acting as if he really is THE president, all of the senate and congress will be laughing at him and undermining him. After all, they all know he has no qualifications to do the job and actually be the president.

699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:42am

re: #694 ploome hineni

hey, soon to be part of the Obama cabinet

FEMA Director.

700 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:48am

re: #645 Eyes of Blue

I just thought of a new bumper sticker this morning.

Be a slave again.
Vote Obama!

What do you think?

I think you better make sure you have good insurance.

701 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:08am

Yeah...

Rasmussen poste "H" as +4, down from +6 yesterday.

That's a three-day rolling average (I think), so the Powell effect won't show up till later, but it was nice to see that recent bubble go away.

702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:14am

re: #687 tappin52

EEEWWWWWW!

I knew a guy in college named Ricini. I wonder if he has anything to do with this?

703 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:20am

This isn't even funny!
As Cali... slipped into the liberal cesspool,10,000 + people a year moved out!
MOST TO UTAH!
So why were 80% of these fools LIBERALS?
I saw several Loonies picketing a game processers shop!
It's deer season.............

704 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:17am

re: #697 Tigger2005


Is it possible that they've been fed so much "Bush lied people died," "Bush=Hitler," "The Patriot Act and wiretapping destroyed your freedoms and privacy," and "9/11 Trutheriness" crap that they honestly believe a socialist sock puppet crook like Obama would be an improvement?

In a word, yes.

Good morning, Lizards!

705 turn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #644 tappin52

Ha, The sign supports on the way in to Nanchang (a long friggin drive) meant to convey don't drive when you're sleepy. They read "do not drive tirde" ha! no kidding ...

706 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:46am

I also liked when Obama yesterday discussed that John McCain and Sarah Palin are 'smearing' him as a sociaist... All Obama said in response was that Warren Buffet endorsed me...

707 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:01am

re: #703 reloadingisnotahobby
We've had a small influx of these loons. So far lots of noise and not much else. Press coverage disproportionate to their numbers. Utter BS.

708 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:19am

re: #691 realwest

Do you have a link for where Obama has slotted Powell for a postion in his cabinet - and what postion?

The way McCain's been running his campaign, you'd almost think that he's angling for a cabinet position!

709 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:32am

re: #614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Proud idiot here. Can someone please explain this to me? Please!

AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign

The consulting firm, DCI, pressured GOP senators not to support Hagel (and later McCain's) FM/FM reform bill. The Dems were already against reforms, so DCI went after Republicans, and ultimately succeeded in killing the 2005 reform bill.

710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:51am

re: #704 rawmuse

In a word, yes.

Good morning, Lizards!

RAW! Please look at my 614. What's up?

711 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:04am

re: #694 ploome hineni

hey, soon to be part of the Obama cabinet

/shutyomouth

I believe the proper phras is "shutyomouf"

712 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:32am

re: #705 turn
We had some milling machines made in Taiwan and the safety instruction are a riot. Loose clothings can cause bad results if put in machine.

713 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:44:18am

re: #703 reloadingisnotahobby

This isn't even funny!
As Cali... slipped into the liberal cesspool,10,000 + people a year moved out!
MOST TO UTAH!
So why were 80% of these fools LIBERALS?
I saw several Loonies picketing a game processers shop!
It's deer season.............

It's a repeatable pattern. Liberals take over a nice state like California or Massachusetts. Liberals eff it up to bejesus & back. Liberals realize the state is effed up & move to neighboring states like Utah or New Hampshire & the cycle begins anew.

714 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:44:56am

re: #697 Tigger2005

I'm really struggling to understand this.

Despite the media blackout, people HAVE to know something by now about Wright, Ayers, ACORN, the voter fraud, BAIPA, Obama's role in the mortgage/financial crisis, his radical Marxist views, his associations with crooked politicians and businessmen in Chicago, his encouraging his followers and the media to use intimidation tactics, his willingness to let his goons destroy an ordinary Joe Citizen who asked him a simple question because HE gave an embarrassing answer. His sheer sleaziness.

Yet Obama is still leading in the polls.

It is apparent that people know all these things about Obama, yet THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

Is it possible that they've been fed so much "Bush lied people died," "Bush=Hitler," "The Patriot Act and wiretapping destroyed your freedoms and privacy," and "9/11 Trutheriness" crap that they honestly believe a socialist sock puppet crook like Obama would be an improvement?

I believe that a lot of people are still in the dark about Obama. Unless they watched the debates, they're not getting much information about BHO.

715 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:17am

re: #685 realwest

It was broadcast this morning with that John Roberts fellow (Roberts is from Canada -- born and raised Canadian -- Moonbat, big time)...Maybe Roberts isn't aware of federal election laws...Anyway, I see if I can get a transcript tomorrow...

716 bosforus  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:52am

re: #601 ibmkeyboard
re: #604 realwest
re: #608 reine.de.tout
re: #640 Jamie

I thank you all for your reassurances! All things considered, I realize that McCain has a good chance of winning and I know that should Obama win the conservative/Republican voices will start to get louder. It's just that life after this election, regardless of the outcome, isn't really in the dialogue so I have a very muddled and pessimistic view of how things will be if McCain doesn't win.

717 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:01am

re: #710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good morning, FBV. Yeah, I got that one open next to this page. Read it twice. It seems that any reform effort was strangled in its crib by these bastids.

I am good today. How is Roanoke? I love VA. Still got plenty of relations there, BTW and I will doubtless be headed there before 2009 for a family visit.

718 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:17am

re: #709 Ward Cleaver

Thanks. Effing article reads like stereo instructions (beetlejuice).

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:41am

re: #717 rawmuse

I have relations here too. heh.

720 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:48:00am

re: #716 bosforus

re: #604 realwest
re: #608 reine.de.tout
re: #640 Jamie

I thank you all for your reassurances! All things considered, I realize that McCain has a good chance of winning and I know that should Obama win the conservative/Republican voices will start to get louder. It's just that life after this election, regardless of the outcome, isn't really in the dialogue so I have a very muddled and pessimistic view of how things will be if McCain doesn't win.

If Obama does win, the voices will get louder but the voices will also be silenced. The 2009 Fairness Doctrine will be constructed to destroy Talk Radio and classfy it as 'hate' speech... See the hate speech laws in Europe... That is what is coming here...

721 vxbush  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:06am

Morning, everyone. I won't be on much today due to some big computer moves, but the fun side of that is that I got to seriously dress down, as I'm assuming I will get pretty dirty today. I had to wear a suit to work on Friday, and I think I caused serious brain damage to everyone in the building. No one has ever seen me in a suit before.

722 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:36am

re: #697 Tigger2005
I think the biggest burden that McCain is carrying right now is that he's a Republican and the economy is staggering - and, notwithstanding that DEMS have controlled both houses of Congress for the last two years and notwithstanding it was a DEM law (The Community Reinvestment Act) that created the entire sub-prime market, the "people" believe that whoever occupies the WH is the "party in power" and that's what folks are voting upon.
They think Republicans - most evidence to the contrary notwithstanding - are responsible for the economic dire straits we are in and are going to Obama for that reason and that reason alone.
I also wonder how it is that we haven't had an attack in the US since 9/11 doesn't wind up on the Republican side of the ledger?!

723 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:39am

re: #646 nyc redneck

So true. When people say how 'bad' America is, I always wonder if their tiny, teenie, idiot brains can understand why there is no similar desire to immigrate to third world, shit hole countries. DUH DUH DUH.

724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:39am

So, a republican lobbying group, does not necessarily lobby for republican causes. You simply pay them to lobby to republicans for your cause.

Do I have that right?

If so; What a messed up system.

725 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:11am

re: #697 Tigger2005

I was at the bank the other day, trying to do some administrative things with some accounts, and I could not do certain things without all parties on the account being present (even though I was the one with the moolah). I was kinda annoyed and she knew it. She then started in with "Its because of the Patriot Act" I just looked at her, threw my crap into my purse and walked out. Time to find a different bank.

If we can thwart a terrorist attack by having a few more rules and regulations, I am all for it. Screw you lady.

726 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:15am

re: #683 tappin52

I am so disheartened that fraud and lawsuits are the way that American politics is practiced nowadays. Thanks, Al Gore.

They're doing a pretty good job of undermining peoples' faith in the electoral system.

IMHO, I don't think any "independent" groups should be running around registering voters. If you want to vote, get your ass to the post office or county elections office, and fill out a card. Period.

All these "get out the vote" campaigns do is encourage fraud.

727 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:20am

re: #700 MandyManners

I think you better make sure you have good insurance.

Oh, I wouldn't put one on my car nor should anyone. No free speech for us. My McCain/Palin sign was stolen Friday night my SIL's was stolen Saturday night.

728 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:23am

OK, I just noticed another tweak. The quote font is waaaay smaller.

And things look clearer.

729 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:24am

Ayers may, in fact get his Revolution. But I doubt it will be the one he desires.

730 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:18am

re: #658 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #692 tfc3rid

re: #664 Nevergiveup

Geesh, stop that you ARE scaring me.

731 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #714 Ward Cleaver

Ward-they don't want to know.

732 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:36am

re: #697 Tigger2005

I'm really struggling to understand this.

Despite the media blackout, people HAVE to know something by now about Wright, Ayers, ACORN, the voter fraud, BAIPA, Obama's role in the mortgage/financial crisis, his radical Marxist views, his associations with crooked politicians and businessmen in Chicago, his encouraging his followers and the media to use intimidation tactics, his willingness to let his goons destroy an ordinary Joe Citizen who asked him a simple question because HE gave an embarrassing answer. His sheer sleaziness.

Yet Obama is still leading in the polls.

i saw obama's t.v. ad on taxes last night. he is promising so much to people.
everyone making under "a quarter of a million dollars" will not have to worry abt. a tax increase. if he gets elected it's because he has suckered many citizens w/ a grifter scheme. promise the masses anything to get into office.
but look at his voting record on taxes. he has voted 94 times to raise taxes.
people who vote for obama are in for a rude awakening, if god forbid, he wins.

733 vxbush  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:47am

re: #728 WriterMom

OK, I just noticed another tweak. The quote font is waaaay smaller.

And things look clearer.

Wait. So it's not just me? I thought things looked different yesterday, but I couldn't figure out what it was.

To be honest, I'm not sure I like the quotes being a smaller font size. It kind of jars my eyes.

734 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:01am

re: #721 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I won't be on much today due to some big computer moves, but the fun side of that is that I got to seriously dress down, as I'm assuming I will get pretty dirty today. I had to wear a suit to work on Friday, and I think I caused serious brain damage to everyone in the building. No one has ever seen me in a suit before.


LOL. I feel like I am in disguise when I wear a suit - but I do have to keep one on the back of the office door for impromptu meetings.

735 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:15am

re: #697 Tigger2005

I suspect that a whole lot of Americans are worried about the future (jobs, housing, schooling for their kids, etc.) -- then along comes a politician who mouths banalities and sweet talk and handing out candies. People don't look any further, they're soothed by the slime-ball's promises...It's how used car salesman stay in business...a combination of lies and sweet talk...

736 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:26am

re: #729 tappin52

Ayers may, in fact get his Revolution. But I doubt it will be the one he desires.

Other than fomenting a revolution and taking America down for its "sins", did he ever say what he wanted to turn it into?

737 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:50am

re: #722 realwest

I think the biggest burden that McCain is carrying right now is that he's a Republican and the economy is staggering - and, notwithstanding that DEMS have controlled both houses of Congress for the last two years and notwithstanding it was a DEM law (The Community Reinvestment Act) that created the entire sub-prime market, the "people" believe that whoever occupies the WH is the "party in power" and that's what folks are voting upon.
They think Republicans - most evidence to the contrary notwithstanding - are responsible for the economic dire straits we are in and are going to Obama for that reason and that reason alone.
I also wonder how it is that we haven't had an attack in the US since 9/11 doesn't wind up on the Republican side of the ledger?!

Morning my friend... We haven't been attacked since 9/11 because the war on terror is just a bumper sticker... Al Qaeda is just a boogeyman invented by the NeoCons...

Yeah... Just wait till they decide to 'test' the new Administration... You think the GOP will play the 'we kept you safe' line? They better...

738 vxbush  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:51am

I did see the article someone posted in the linkviewer about Obama's scam? Dead on. Even if you don't buy the idea of Obama hypnotizing people, the scam is totally clearcut.

I hope Charles posts that as an article today.

739 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #736 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Other than fomenting a revolution and taking America down for its "sins", did he ever say what he wanted to turn it into?

Marxism.

740 vxbush  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:27am

re: #734 Creeping Eruption

LOL. I feel like I am in disguise when I wear a suit - but I do have to keep one on the back of the office door for impromptu meetings.

Yeah, this was a vendor meeting, and I knew the vendor would be in a suit. However, a suit for a woman seems to be so different--more dressy. And that is just not my style.

741 Born_to_lose  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:50am

re: #642 bellamags

Oh, yeah, you are totally right about the material. And honestly, anything that the left has accused Bush of being an asshole for will be overshadowed ten fold by Obama's neglegence due to his inexperience and Biden's inability to clearly evaluate the concerns of our national secuirty and advise Obama accordingly (y'know, because, like, Obama has said he like, TOTALLY wants to utilize Biden's national security "experience" in advising his decisions...gimme a flippin' break! The dude wrote checks!). Anyway, Charles made a good point about how the left is conveniently forgetting how critical they've been about Powell in time's past. I honestly think that there is some kind of underlying animosity on Powell's end towards McCain from 2000's election and THAT is unfortunately guiding his very horible, ill advised, endorsement choice...

Also, Just for the record, I did NOT appreciate Powell's assesment of "so what if Obama is a muslim". One, that makes me uncomfortable, like hey, do you know something WE don't know, and secondly, ummm, have ya READ the Qur'an? Oh, and while we are at it, do ya KNOW what Sharia Law is?

Some guy just came up to me at work and was like, well, I mean, what about this country's "freedom of religion" and you know, Christiantiy doesn't have a monopoly on American Politics. First of all, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principals- I don't care what the heck Thomas Jefferson had to say. Hell, one of the major reasons, as you all know, societies were formed here was due to a general consensus of needing to get away from the Catholic church! And, I was like, yeah, that does NOT mean freedom of a violent religion to infiltrate our government and take over! And he responded with something to the effect of, well, that doesn't MEAN that a muslim president will do that, and without hesitation, I was like, oh yes it does. Then he talked about Evangelicals. First of all, they are a group of people spouting off MOSTLY about abortion. Umm, I am pretty sure protecting the Human Rights of a Baby is a BIT safer of a stance to take than killing, conquering and/or subjugating all non-believers of Islam/Allah/Muhammad. In fact, I wanted to ask him before he walked away, when the last time someone who called evangelicals domestic, slime ball terrorists in fact fell victim to a suicide bombing, or the last time evangelicals collectively and publicly hanged a couple of dudes who happened to be gay...The ignorance is astounding.

742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:12am

Just occurred to me. With all the weird stuff in O'bama's past, the Troofers are gonna have a freaking ball if he gets elected.

Now, that'll be fun to watch.

When McCain get's elected the Troofers'll switch to "McCain was turned into a mole by the VC. And that's why he planned 911."

743 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:16am

re: #735 J.S.

I suspect that a whole lot of Americans are worried about the future (jobs, housing, schooling for their kids, etc.) -- then along comes a politician who mouths banalities and sweet talk and handing out candies. People don't look any further, they're soothed by the slime-ball's promises...It's how used car salesman stay in business...a combination of lies and sweet talk...


Candy Man

744 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:38am

re: #721 vxbush
Hey good morning vxbush! Do you per chance have any home made cures for sinus headaches - I'm not stuffed up or anything, but my sinuses definetely are giving me a headache on the left side of my face!

745 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:47am

re: #739 rawmuse

Marxism.

Over my dead body.

746 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:54am

re: #726 Ward Cleaver

They're doing a pretty good job of undermining peoples' faith in the electoral system.

IMHO, I don't think any "independent" groups should be running around registering voters. If you want to vote, get your ass to the post office or county elections office, and fill out a card. Period.

All these "get out the vote" campaigns do is encourage fraud.

I completely agree... The onus should be on the individual to register to vote in person at a government related office.

This election will be rought with voter fraud and I think the results in states like New Mexico, Florida and Ohio will be directly impacted by voter fraud...

747 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:00am

re: #604 realwest

Hi realwest. Good morning, all.

I really hope you're right!

748 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:14am

re: #726 Ward Cleaver

All of the legislators' objections to verifiable ID being required to vote are designed to keep in place an avenue for fraud. All GOTV drives are designed to boost numbers on one side or the other. And it seems that no Patriots operate in government anymore.

749 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:19am

re: #741 Born_to_lose

agree.

750 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #729 tappin52

Ayers may, in fact get his Revolution. But I doubt it will be the one he desires.

Ayers changed his methods for achieving the revolution. It was to educate and poison the minds of the young. To exect influence upon government leaders who could execute his plans... Obama is the vehicle by which Ayers will institute his revolution...

751 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #739 rawmuse

A "worker's" paradise (translation -- more money for elite politicians (the Politburo), less money for everyone else -- or from your pocket to mine, thanks to the government.)

752 vxbush  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #744 realwest

Hey good morning vxbush! Do you per chance have any home made cures for sinus headaches - I'm not stuffed up or anything, but my sinuses definetely are giving me a headache on the left side of my face!

Lots of steam will help. I mean stay in the shower for fifteen minutes, or put your head over a sink full of hot water and put a towel over the whole thing so you can breathe in the steam. Even if you're not stopped up, your sinuses could be very dry and the moisture will help.

/thus sayeth the armchair nurse practitioner

753 eon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:57am

re: #697 Tigger2005

I'm really struggling to understand this.

Despite the media blackout, people HAVE to know something by now about Wright, Ayers, ACORN, the voter fraud, BAIPA, Obama's role in the mortgage/financial crisis, his radical Marxist views, his associations with crooked politicians and businessmen in Chicago, his encouraging his followers and the media to use intimidation tactics, his willingness to let his goons destroy an ordinary Joe Citizen who asked him a simple question because HE gave an embarrassing answer. His sheer sleaziness.

Yet Obama is still leading in the polls.

It is apparent that people know all these things about Obama, yet THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

Is it possible that they've been fed so much "Bush lied people died," "Bush=Hitler," "The Patriot Act and wiretapping destroyed your freedoms and privacy," and "9/11 Trutheriness" crap that they honestly believe a socialist sock puppet crook like Obama would be an improvement?

I've been reading the Time-Life series The Third Reich. And having just finished the first three (The Twisted Dream, Storming To Power, The New Order) describing the Nazis' rise to power in Germany up to 1936, the parallels between Germany then and the US now are positively eerie.

The most obvious similarity being that most people who voted the NSDAP into a parliamentary majority in 1933 did so because they believed that the Nazis could solve problems they believed were created by their existing government (the Social Democrats). The fact that, even as a minority party, the Nazis had helped create the policies they objected to was a fact most Germans chose to overlook.

The difference being that the Social Democrats had crafted their policies out of ignorance- they simply didn't understand what they were doing. The Nazis, by comparison, knew that the policies would fail, and were counting on it, to generate sufficient public disgust with their leaders to give the Nazis a shot at unchallenged control. And it worked.

BTW, if you read The New Order with an unbiased eye, its description of the German educational system and popular culture under the Nazis is even more eerily like the U.S. equivalents now. Including the "tyranny of low expectations".

Well, I've skated close enough to Godwin's Law for one morning, so I'll stop now.

cheers

eon

754 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:48am

re: #726 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward - hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
uh, ACORN is not an "independent" group - they have NEVER registered a Republican voter - not one. All they do is register (mostly non-existent) Democratic Voters.

755 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:53am

re: #722 realwest

I think the biggest burden that McCain is carrying right now is that he's a Republican and the economy is staggering - and, notwithstanding that DEMS have controlled both houses of Congress for the last two years and notwithstanding it was a DEM law (The Community Reinvestment Act) that created the entire sub-prime market, the "people" believe that whoever occupies the WH is the "party in power" and that's what folks are voting upon.

It's a little late in the election cycle, but it is an interesting sequence of events - The economy was doing pretty good till the dems took over cpngress.

The only thing the dem congress has done was to raise the minimum wage...that hasn't worked out too well.

756 tappin52  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:05am

re: #736 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
All I can remember on that is something about a more fair and just society. Whatever that means.

757 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:18am

re: #721 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I won't be on much today due to some big computer moves, but the fun side of that is that I got to seriously dress down, as I'm assuming I will get pretty dirty today. I had to wear a suit to work on Friday, and I think I caused serious brain damage to everyone in the building. No one has ever seen me in a suit before.

I came down all dolled-up a few weeks ago (wearing a skirt and hose) and it confused my Yorkie so much that she barked for 10 minutes.

758 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:19am

re: #754 realwest

Good morning Ward - hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
uh, ACORN is not an "independent" group - they have NEVER registered a Republican voter - not one. All they do is register (mostly non-existent) Democratic Voters.

Well, they would have if they ever found one... problem is, there are no such thing as Republicans... they looked high and low and found nothing but Demcrats and Marxists... lots of Marxists.

/sarc

759 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:25am

re: #698 Teacake!

Well, I have this image in my mind that should he (g-d forbid) actually win the election, that once in office and acting as if he really is THE president, all of the senate and congress will be laughing at him and undermining him. After all, they all know he has no qualifications to do the job and actually be the president.

No all the dems will fall into line and do what he says. This man makes the Clintonian FBI files stuff look like child's play. They know he will turn the media goons loose

760 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:40am

Why does ACORN register all of these non-existent people? Is it all for appearances? Why waste the time if these people won't go vote?

761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:12am

re: #750 tfc3rid

Ayers
changed his methods for achieving the revolution. It was to educate and
poison the minds of the young. To exect influence upon government
leaders who could execute his plans... Obama is the vehicle by which
Ayers will institute his revolution...

Speaking of terrorists, the Ft. Dix Six go on trial today. They planned on bombing Ft. Dix. So did Bill Ayers. Yet he's a respected university professor.

762 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:42am

re: #743 bellamags

Yep. Remember that Jib Jab cartoon with all those rainbows and lollipops, Obama riding a unicorn and throwing flowers...that is what Obama's doing...

763 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:03am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of terrorists, the Ft. Dix Six go on trial today. They planned on bombing Ft. Dix. So did Bill Ayers. Yet he's a respected university professor.

That's right... But the argument the idiots put out there is that Ayers was not convicted of his crimes... Right...

764 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:07am

re: #760 bellamags

Once you have a ballot printed, the rest is elementary, especially with all these register and vote same day voters.

765 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:15am

re: #760 bellamags

Why does ACORN register all of these non-existent people? Is it all for appearances? Why waste the time if these people won't go vote?

Maybe someone will vote for them, you know, if they need a few thou votes and they can finagle it

766 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:23am

re: #757 MandyManners

LOL. I frost my hair sometime with those caps and my Boston Terrier did that to me when she saw me with all those hairs sticking out of the cap! It was so funny. I had to tell her "Its just mommy" about 5 times.

767 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:25am

re: #720 tfc3rid

If Obama does win, the voices will get louder but the voices will also be silenced. The 2009 Fairness Doctrine will be constructed to destroy Talk Radio and classfy it as 'hate' speech... See the hate speech laws in Europe... That is what is coming here...

I doubt that.

First, I don't know why anyone listens to terrestrial radio. XM or Sirius is where it's at, and they both have conservative and liberal talk radio out the ying yang. I find both to be dreadfully boring, but they're there for anyone who feels otherwise.

Second, I think the internet makes any kind of speech law an exercise in futility.

Third, if Mark Steyn could prevail in Canada, free speech is going to continue to go strong in North America.

768 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:49am

re: #756 tappin52

All I can remember on that is something about a more fair and just society. Whatever that means.

Yeah, that's the problem. I'm a little too young to "get" the 60's... all that idealistic rage, how evil we were, blah, blah... but beyond some hippie pipe dream of a perfect society, they are all revolution and no destination.

/kinda like all hat and no cattle.

769 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:09am

re: #760 bellamags

They get paid per registration. Money is always a good motivator.

770 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:18am

re: #747 rw in san diego
Good morning rw! I'm pretty damned sure I'm right!
But then again this sinus headache is driving me nuts
(ok, ok, nuttier!)!

771 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:52am

re: #768 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I was there, it was most definitely Marxism that they had in mind, and still do.

772 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:52am

re: #754 realwest

Good morning Ward - hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
uh, ACORN is not an "independent" group - they have NEVER registered a Republican voter - not one. All they do is register (mostly non-existent) Democratic Voters.

That's not true. They submitted 5,000 registration cards to the Republican registrar in Bridgeport, CT. That includes one for a 7-year old girl.

773 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #760 bellamags
Numbers = Power?
Mind games........
Has an Independent or Repub.... Org... ever been charged w/ election fraud?

774 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:03:35am

re: #752 vxbush
THANK YOU KINDLY!

775 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:03:57am

re: #767 Jamie

First, I don't know why anyone listens to terrestrial radio.

That blows my mind. I only know a few folks who spend money for SM and Sirius. I'm terrestrial radio all the way.

776 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:02am

re: #759 SpartanWoman

No all the dems will fall into line and do what he says. This man makes the Clintonian FBI files stuff look like child's play. They know he will turn the media goons loose

No, they won't. If Obama is elected, you'll have Pelosi, Reid, and Obama all jockeying to drive the agenda how they want it to be. Congressional Democrats will give Obama most of what he wants in the first 100 days, but they know how likely GOP gains are in Congress when Democrats control everything, and they have self-preservation as their first goal. Look no further than the way Congressional GOPers abandoned Bush in 2006--members of Congress in the same party as the POTUS are only as loyal as their political options.

777 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:14am

re: #764 rawmuse

I heard some tool on Fox yesterday saying "there has not been any voter fraud" "Voter registration fraud is different". (channeling Borat)
Not So Much.

778 Golem Akbar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:20am

Good morning, Lizards! What a weekend. Colin Powell finally got the liberals to like him. Tampa Bay won the pennant. /And our professional football team here in Los Angeles has a perfect record of no losses. What a weekend.

779 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:26am

re: #771 rawmuse

I was there, it was most definitely Marxism that they had in mind, and still do.

...and they are curiously unaffected by the failure and downright evil of the previous attempts to pull that off?

780 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:49am

re: #775 DeafDog

Likewise here.

781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:57am

re: #767 Jamie

I doubt that.

First,
I don't know why anyone listens to terrestrial radio. XM or Sirius is
where it's at, and they both have conservative and liberal talk radio
out the ying yang. I find both to be dreadfully boring, but they're
there for anyone who feels otherwise.

Second, I think the internet makes any kind of speech law an exercise in futility.

Third, if Mark Steyn could prevail in Canada, free speech is going to continue to go strong in North America.

Sure, Mark Steyn, a world-famous writer could - just - prevail in Canada. But the fact that such a trial even took place in a functioning democracy is what is scary. The next person on down the line won't be as well known as Mark Steyn. The proverbial "guy in his pajamas" won't be able to fight the full power of the state. Even Steyn had do spend a hell of a lot of time & money fighting his "human rights violations" cases. It's about intimidation, something that The Big O knows all about.

782 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:10am

re: #769 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SO -- they could be doing more harm than good.

783 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:11am

obama is going to tax everyone. that's his socialist attitude.
if he gets in power, he is going to implement his massive programs on the backs of EVERY citizen. he is lying abt. it now.
i'm still hoping we have enough people in this country who can see thru the charade of gov't run hand out programs.

784 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:23am

re: #779 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They will keep trying until they get it right.

785 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:25am

re: #767 Jamie
Rush is not on satellite, IIRC. Plus I don't have the cash to put a reciever in my work van!

786 eon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:36am

re: #736 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Other than fomenting a revolution and taking America down for its "sins", did he ever say what he wanted to turn it into?

One of the hallmarks of "progressives" is that they believe that once they've destroyed the existing "evil" system, a new, "perfect" system of "egalitarian justice" will evolve spontaneously. This particular bit of inspired silliness was one of Karl Marx' few genuine "contributions" to Das Kapital, which most experts now agree was largely written by Friedrich Engels.

As a consequence of this, they also buy into Marx' other conceit- that it is unnecessary for "true revolutionaries" to know how to do anything other than destroy the "Old Order". Once that has been accomplished, Marx maintained, "natural forces" would take care of everything.

If Marx had been a farm kid, instead of a city boy, he might have been less sanguine about what "natural forces" will do unless you keep an eye on them.

/I've dodged a couple of tornados in my time

cheers

eon

787 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:02am

Here's hoping the founder's genius in checks and balances is a hell of a lot more robust than any of us think...

788 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:06am

re: #768 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yeah,
that's the problem. I'm a little too young to "get" the 60's... all
that idealistic rage, how evil we were, blah, blah... but beyond some
hippie pipe dream of a perfect society, they are all revolution and no
destination.

/kinda like all hat and no cattle.

All pick & no 'fro.

789 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:33am

re: #784 rawmuse

They will keep trying until they get it right.

God I hate that...

790 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:38am

re: #760 bellamags
Polling data bases get skewed, more Dem's registered, more Repub's get disheartened and more Dem's registered, more Independents feel that the "tide is turning Democrat" and everyone wants to ride a winner.

791 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:41am

re: #775 DeafDog

That blows my mind. I only know a few folks who spend money for SM and Sirius. I'm terrestrial radio all the way.

For me, it's worth the fifteen bucks a month. The local stations here all play the same recycled crap. XM gives me a ton of different music genres, every baseball, hockey (and now football and basketball) game, political talk of every viewpoint, Opie and Anthony, Howard Stern, three different types of jazz, two different types of classical music, stadium rock, album rock, 90's hip hop, and even ambient music.

It's all I listen to.

792 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #770 realwest

I hope you feel better soon. Headaches are the pits.

793 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:59am

re: #779 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yep. The Norks, Vietnamese, Russians, Cubans, etc...Just haven't done Marx correctly. Our libs will make an unworkable system workable.

794 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:34am

re: #786 eon

It will devolve in to something evil like rounding up all the people with eyeglasses or some such brilliant idea.

795 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:35am

re: #773 reloadingisnotahobby

According to some tool on FOX (he was almost rabid at this story) a republican organizer has been arrested for voter registration fraud.

rep arrested

796 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:53am

re: #778 Golem Akbar

Good morning, Lizards! What a weekend. Colin Powell finally got the liberals to like him. Tampa Bay won the pennant. /And our professional football team here in Los Angeles has a perfect record of no losses. What a weekend.

USC lost to Oregon State. Are you claiming that they are not paid?

:-)

797 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:56am

re: #766 bellamags

LOL. I frost my hair sometime with those caps and my Boston Terrier did that to me when she saw me with all those hairs sticking out of the cap! It was so funny. I had to tell her "Its just mommy" about 5 times.

I tried to pick her up but it made it worse.

798 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:57am

re: #753 eon

I've been reading the Time-Life series The Third Reich. And having just finished the first three (The Twisted Dream, Storming To Power, The New Order) describing the Nazis' rise to power in Germany up to 1936, the parallels between Germany then and the US now are positively eerie.

The most obvious similarity being that most people who voted the NSDAP into a parliamentary majority in 1933 did so because they believed that the Nazis could solve problems they believed were created by their existing government (the Social Democrats). The fact that, even as a minority party, the Nazis had helped create the policies they objected to was a fact most Germans chose to overlook.

The difference being that the Social Democrats had crafted their policies out of ignorance- they simply didn't understand what they were doing. The Nazis, by comparison, knew that the policies would fail, and were counting on it, to generate sufficient public disgust with their leaders to give the Nazis a shot at unchallenged control. And it worked.

BTW, if you read The New Order with an unbiased eye, its description of the German educational system and popular culture under the Nazis is even more eerily like the U.S. equivalents now. Including the "tyranny of low expectations".

But at the same time, it's like ... good grief, Americans! The Germans lost an entire generation of young men in WWI, they lost a war, they suffered a "humiliating" reparations regime (nothing like they would have imposed on the Allies had they been victorious, but still, very heavy sanctions), they suffered from the Great Depression worse than we did, they had a massive Communist state with a brutal dictator right next door ... and on top of that they had VERY little experience with freedom and democracy, and a LOT of experience with authoritarianism ... yet Hitler could only WISH that his path to power was as easy as Obama's has been! And Hitler had actually been a soldier, and by all accounts a good, brave soldier.

799 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:29am

re: #790 realwest

best answer yet. good job.

800 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:38am

I feel nothing but contempt for the media today.

If they are too cowardly to print the truth about Obama why not send the info to better and braver men than themselves, like Drudge or CHarles?

Bastards!

801 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:47am

re: #790 realwest

BTW, I was thinking of you during the debate at Hofstra. Isn't that your alma mater? My high school class held a reunion at the faculty club at Hofstra a few years ago.

802 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:56am

Good morning.

Don't want to jinx it, but Wall Street is looking good in early trading.

803 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:03am

re: #790 realwest

Also, for headaches, if you have someone who can rub the tops of your shoulders and the back of your neck and head, that really helps. Also a warm cup of beef broth with oregano and basil also helps. If you can get some lavender essential oil, that is also very good. Just breathe it in.

804 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:08am

How can any self-respecting person who:
1. self-identifies as a Republican,
2. states that he supports the Iraqi war; and,
3. states that the surge has worked;
nevertheless endorse a candidate who holds totally contrary views?
I guess all those WHITE lies he told for Dubya and Rummie have finally turned him inside out.
With Republicans like Colon Paul who needs Democrats?

805 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:24am

re: #797 MandyManners

LOL.

806 Golem Akbar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:26am

re: #776 Jamie

No, they won't. If Obama is elected, you'll have Pelosi, Reid, and Obama all jockeying to drive the agenda how they want it to be. Congressional Democrats will give Obama most of what he wants in the first 100 days, but they know how likely GOP gains are in Congress when Democrats control everything, and they have self-preservation as their first goal. Look no further than the way Congressional GOPers abandoned Bush in 2006--members of Congress in the same party as the POTUS are only as loyal as their political options.


I agree. The dems, if Obama does get elected (and I hope not), will all be trying to take the leadership away from the current boss. It's what they do when they get power. And a lot of moderate-to-conservative voters will start to wake up. But I'd rather they wake up before the election...

807 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #772 Who Watches the Watchmen? Y'all got a link for that? I've HEARD ACORN speakers brag about how they only register Dems.

808 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:55am

re: #802 Occasional Reader

Shhhhhhhh.....!
I was just watching that too!
Xnay on the Hoopla ayyy!

809 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:05am

Obama Camp Asks DoJ For Investigation

Talk about Acorn, and you may find yourself under investigation. And this is BEFORE BHO gets control of the Justice Dept.

/I for one welcome our new liberal overlords..

810 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:25am

re: #802 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Don't want to jinx it, but Wall Street is looking good in early trading.

It looks like Obama's plan is working!
/

811 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:32am

re: #791 Jamie

I believe you. I know a few folks who do the same (mostly people with longer commtes), but what blew my mind is that you said your entire circle of acquaintences listen to satellite radio....wow.

812 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:51am

re: #648 Tigger2005

Yup. It's the Powell effect.

Stupid undecided voter: "He can't be such a bad guy after all ... Powell is endorsing him!"

Maybe. If it is, I doubt it will last more than a day or two. Who really cares what Colin Powell thinks? Ask an independent voter three days from now and they probably wouldn't be able to remember who Powell endorsed.

His argument was for his vote was even kinda stupid. McCain didn't seem to have as good a handle on the economic crisis? I hate to tell ya Colin, but 1) you're no expert on economics or finance, 2) even the guys who are don't know what the hell is going on, and 3) it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a socialist is the last guy you want running the economy. Palin's inexperienced, but Obama is intellectual? Oh, please? Did you even write that yourself? You were never exactly a "rocket scientist".


Just remember, folks. A 6% lead means a mere 3% of the voters have to turn around (if the bias in the polling doesn't turn them around to start with) - and the right states breaking the right way. All it takes is a little bit of truth about Obama's shady past seeing the light of day. If McCain and Palin had anything really damaging to uncover (at least, anything real), it probably would have been out long ago. But watch for this election year's Rathergate.

813 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:57am

re: #776 Jamie
SPOT ON POST! Thank you.

814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:59am

re: #782 bellamags

SO -- they could be doing more harm than good.

If you call fraudulent income on the backs of taxpayers harm, well, yeah.

/

815 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:04am

re: #803 bellamags

Sweet avatar. Massage therapist? You don't happen to live in San Diego, do you?

816 smokefire  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:09am

OVER?
yes, it's over

817 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:15am

re: #794 rawmuse

It will devolve in to something evil like rounding up all the people with eyeglasses or some such brilliant idea.

I say, it's about time those four-eyed freaks got what was coming to them.

818 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:21am

re: #800 SpartanWoman

I feel nothing but contempt for the media today.

If they are too cowardly to print the truth about Obama why not send the info to better and braver men than themselves, like Drudge or CHarles?

Bastards!

They're not cowardly. Well, they are, but that's not why they're not telling the truth about Obama. They just don't care about the truth anymore. They're propagandists for the Obama Party. Truth is now relative.

819 Golem Akbar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:05am

re: #796 DeafDog

USC lost to Oregon State. Are you claiming that they are not paid?

:-)


No, they're not paid, just like the non-professional olympic athletes. (wow, how many sarc tags does that one take?)

820 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:08am

re: #767 Jamie

Mark Steyn prevailed because he had McClean's magazine backing him and lots and lots of mullah...He also made a big stink...The HRCs still exist, they still have their bureaucrats prowling around on the Internet, looking for "offenders" -- all this still takes place -- nothing has changed...the only difference is that the HRC captures the "no names" -- they go after the "Joe What's His name", not after high profile celebrities.

821 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:14am

re: #804 sparrowlake

Do you remember hearing that Powell told Bush that if he screws up the war, he was "on his own"? What kind of respectable person would not stand behind the president he "serves at the pleasure of"? He basically said "Yeah do it --but if it fucks up - I'm outta here" He is a pu**y.

822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:14am

My wife has about two hours worth of ironing to do. I'm off today. If I did her ironing, think it could get me a little action tonight?

823 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:23am

re: #809 Yankee Division Son

Obama Camp Asks DoJ For Investigation

Talk about Acorn, and you may find yourself under investigation. And this is BEFORE BHO gets control of the Justice Dept.

/I for one welcome our new liberal overlords..

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

SNIP

824 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:26am

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL!
Goodluck!

825 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:26am

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Yeah, but our rights to Free speech are enshrined in our Constitution - now after SCOTUS screwed up the OHIO case this past weekend, I'm not sure how much good SCOTUS will be, but our Constitution - unlike any other constitution EXPLCITLY provides for Freedom of Speech.

826 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:44am

re: #806 Golem Akbar

I agree. The dems, if Obama does get elected (and I hope not), will all be trying to take the leadership away from the current boss. It's what they do when they get power. And a lot of moderate-to-conservative voters will start to wake up. But I'd rather they wake up before the election...

I think this is going to be VERY different... The Dems feel like they were screwed in 2000 and now want payback... Revenge is a very strong feeling and they want it BADLY.

827 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:52am

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife has about two hours worth of ironing to do. I'm off today. If I did her ironing, think it could get me a little action tonight?

If they're her clothes, it's her ironing. If they're your clothes, it's your ironing. Does she ever iron your clothes?

828 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:56am

re: #815 rw in san diego

nope. from LA originally, but I am on the right coast now.

829 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:57am

re: #821 bellamags

Didn't he say, "If you break it you own it."?

830 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:03am

re: #820 J.S.

The HRCs still exist, they still have their bureaucrats prowling around on the Internet, looking for "offenders"

Or, if they can't find any, just making up "hate speech" themselves, then prosecuting someone else for it. (Can't remember the guy's name, Steyn wrote about this.)

831 calvin coolidge  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:09am

re: #809 Yankee Division Son

/I for one welcome our new liberal overlords..

I have an etiquette question. Is it proper to call the chosen one "President Dear Leader" or just "Dear Leader"?

832 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:34am

44% of our fellow(citizens) idiots agree "spreading the wealth around" is a good idea. Fucking morons/lazy assholes/idjits.

833 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:53am

re: #827 MandyManners

If they're her clothes, it's her ironing. If they're your clothes, it's your ironing. Does she ever iron your clothes?

They're her clothes. I do my own ironing. Just wondering...if I was nice...
(brown chicken brown cow)

834 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:58am

re: #822 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ABSOLUTELY. Nothing sexier than a man with an iron.

835 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:00am

Off to go waste my day working for a living... gotta get my ducks in a row so I can join the new slacker lifestyle in a couple of months.

/Keep those checks coming, suckers.

836 eon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:03am

re: #794 rawmuse

It will devolve in to something evil like rounding up all the people with eyeglasses or some such brilliant idea.

First the evil gun owners....

Then the evil four-eyed people.....

Then the evil people who can actually read.........

By the time they get done, their Brave New World will consist of loyal members of the Nationales Freewilliges Korps standing proudly at attention, and unable to read the instruction manuals that come with their weapons.

Like the Napola "graduates" in Germany, 1936-43, before even the Nazis finally admitted that their "educational system" had turned out the most ignorant and ill-educated- but highly disciplined!- generation in their country's history.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and Commonwealth forces were explaining to them in detail that superb discipline, while useful, is no substitute for superb education if you really want to win a war. Or anything else, for that matter.

/skating along the edge of Godwin again

cheers

eon

837 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:21am

re: #829 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

something to that effect.

838 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:33am

re: #828 bellamags

Any where near Boston?

839 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:09am

Quid, meet quo:

WASHINGTON – Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

But I'm sure Powell's endorsement yesterday was, just, you know, speaking from the heart, and he's probably as surprised by Obama's announcement as anyone.

/

840 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:15am

re: #831 calvin coolidge

I have an etiquette question. Is it proper to call the chosen one "President Dear Leader" or just "Dear Leader"?

I'm quite sure he will let us know..

841 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:45am

re: #825 realwest

Yeah, but our rights to Free speech are enshrined in our Constitution -
now after SCOTUS screwed up the OHIO case this past weekend, I'm not
sure how much good SCOTUS will be, but our Constitution - unlike any
other constitution EXPLCITLY provides for Freedom of Speech.

The Constitution is whatever 5 people on the Supreme Court say it is. Guess who's going to have his pick of judges in the next 4 years?

842 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:58am

re: #626 eon

Maybe a bright spot here. The Cincinnati Enquirer has just completed an investigation of voter registration by ACORN which concludes that most of their "new registrants" probably do not really exist.

Like the ones whose confirmation cards, sent through the mail, were returned because their addresses were invalid. Some such addresses were determined to be where, if they existed, they would be in the Ohio River. Others were supposedly in a housing development that isn't even built yet. And a substantial number gave their addresses as Cincinnati's City Hall.

Apparently, their investigation turned up so many "irregularities" like this that there will be an investigation before the election- which the Dems are trying to stop at all costs.

Interestingly enough, if you Google "Cincinnati Enquirer" and "voter registration fraud", it takes you to an article dated 20 Oct 2004. Which describes essentially what's going on in Ohio right now. And which puts the blame squarely on the Democrats.

Now, either that article is misdate on the year, or this is not a recent development in Ohio.

I know there was the usual trouble in Cincinnati, but I think the Ohio River addresses are a new thing this year.

Glitches fill Ohio voter rolls

But, to put all our fears to rest, ACORN is doing a live chat tomorrow at noon. Heh

ACORN to take questions

843 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:03am

re: #832 pingjockey

Wanna start our own colony? Greentopia?

844 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:05am

re: #839 Occasional Reader

Quid, meet quo:

WASHINGTON – Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

But I'm sure Powell's endorsement yesterday was, just, you know, speaking from the heart, and he's probably as surprised by Obama's announcement as anyone.

/

Traitor?

845 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:10am

re: #839 Occasional Reader
Mwahahahaha! "I'm shocked, just shocked that Obambi would tap me as an advisor".

846 bellamags  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:24am

re: #838 rw in san diego

nope. I'm in N FL.

847 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:30am
In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads-up before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic presidential candidate on the network's "Meet the Press" a day earlier.

Gosh, Barry, I read that was going to happen right here at LGF on Friday. You mean our intelligence is better than yours?

And why is your nose growing like that?

848 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:35am

re: #818 Tigger2005

Yeah...that (the media trumpeting Obama) is what I keep finding so puzzling -- not so much that the public has a glazed over look, and goes for The Zero...it's the press -- now that bothers me...

849 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:42am

re: #834 bellamags

ABSOLUTELY. Nothing sexier than a man with an iron.

Must be why men spend so much time golfing.

850 Golem Akbar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:48am

re: #826 tfc3rid

I think this is going to be VERY different... The Dems feel like they were screwed in 2000 and now want payback... Revenge is a very strong feeling and they want it BADLY.


Yes, but hopefully we won't be having this discussion next month. If McCain loses, it'll be interesting to see how long the dems can wreak havoc before falling apart into warring factions. They are not that disciplined once they get power.

Personally, I can live with them sniping at a Republican president.

851 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:49am

re: #841 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Constitution is whatever 5 people on the Supreme Court say it is. Guess who's going to have his pick of judges in the next 4 years?

Ding ding ding!

2 or 3 or 4... Or he could simply increase the number to 11 and stack the court...

852 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:50am

re: #799 bellamags
Thank you very kindly. But where's my "+" huh, where is it?!?! LOL!