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AP: Obama, the True Heir to Reaganomics

Politics | Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:13:52 pm PDT

The RSS headline reads, “Obama: Powell will have a role in administration.” What a shock. But clicking the link leads to this article—the latest fawning AP press release for the Obama campaign, with a new headline that probably has the Gipper spinning: Obama updates Reagan’s economic critique.

TAMPA, Fla. – Barack Obama promised a Florida audience Monday he would halt foreclosures in their tracks and updated a famous Ronald Reagan line to criticize Republican handling of the nation’s deepening economic distress.

“At this rate, the question isn’t just ‘Are you better off than you were four years ago?’, it’s ‘Are you better off than you were four weeks ago?’” the Democratic presidential nominee asked a raucous crowd here of about 8,000.

In an October, 1980, debate with incumbent Democrat Jimmy Carter, Reagan asked listeners, “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” Reagan went on to oust Carter in that presidential election.

With just over two weeks left until Election Day, Obama set aside two full days to campaign across Florida, which twice went for Republican George Bush and now figures prominently in the Democrat’s hopes for clinching the presidency.

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1 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:16:23pm

Obamanomics = Reaganomics?

Gimme a break!

2 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:16:54pm

AP = All Pro-Obama

3 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:17:28pm

He's not fit to wipe Reagans' boots.

4 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:17:35pm

Obamanomics = Castronomics is more like it.

5 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:18:08pm

I vote for Ronald Wilson Reagan.
Twice.

Obamarx is no RWR.

6 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:19:14pm

What. The. Fuck!?!

7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:19:18pm

Are you better off since the Dems got a majority in Congress?

8 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:19:23pm

His use of one of Pres. Reagan's lines is proof that BHO's economic policies will equal those of Pres. Reagan? The depth of intellectual dishonesty takes away my breath.

9 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:19:43pm

The AP is, of its own accord, trying to generate memes to help Obama. This one is, "Hey all you people who voted for Reagan due to the bad state of the economy during Carter's reign: now that the economy's bad again, you once again should vote for "change" -- Obama!"

10 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:20:07pm

Will you be better off four years from now?

11 JSK1121  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:20:20pm

re: #8 MandyManners

His use of one of Pres. Reagan's lines is proof that BHO's economic policies will equal those of Pres. Reagan? The depth of intellectual dishonesty takes away my breath.

Do not question The One, nor his minions in the Al-sociated Press!

12 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:20:47pm

Reagan knew a Communist when he saw one, and that's what he'd see in Obama.

13 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:04pm

I voted twice for Reagan in my grade-school elections. I wouldn't even do that for Obama.

14 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:05pm

Bizarro world Reagan

15 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:08pm

There will not be trickle-down economics in an Obamination, rather, there will be a landslide of our money raining down the "workers" for their support of their Chairman - Uncle Barack!

16 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:12pm

re: #8 MandyManners

His use of one of Pres. Reagan's lines is proof that BHO's economic policies will equal those of Pres. Reagan? The depth of intellectual dishonesty takes away my breath.

Not only that, but Obama used the words "the," "and," "of," "to," and "for" -- just like Reagan did!

17 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:16pm

re: #10 Spellcheck

Will you be better off four years from now?

No.
But you won't be allowed to say so.

18 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:18pm

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

19 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:25pm

After all, it was Reagan's friend Walter Annenberg who gave money to a terrorist to fund the Annenberg Challenge, so why's everyone getting all upset?

/

20 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:59pm

Reagan always said "America's best days are ahead of her." Obama has never said that.

21 JSK1121  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:21:59pm

re: #10 Spellcheck

Will you be better off four years from now?

If Obama wins, negative, but we won't have a choice over voting out The One. His various Truth Squads, Youth Brigades and All-Volunteer Homefront Force will make sure of that.

22 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:02pm

"Vote for me and all of your wildest dreams will come true!"

---Pedro

23 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:24pm

Don't forget Jimmy Carter was leading in the polls two weeks before Reagan crushed him.

24 rw in san diego  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:44pm

I think you have to go back just a tad further in history than Reagan to find an Obama like economic policy...how about Carternomics? I don't know if the policies are identical but the fix we'll all be in will be.

25 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:45pm

Okay, so are we better off after 30 years of Carteresque affordable housing?

It doesn't look so affordable now, does it. You've got Democrat flim flam artists who pushed affordable housing and demanded lenders provide access to loans to those who had no capacity to repay, especially when real estate soured. Obama wants a return to that and then some, and surrounded himself with a bunch of Fannie and Freddie -involved individuals who led us down this path to financial craziness.

Still, consider what's happened over the past eight years, and you're still better off than when Bush entered office. It just doesn't feel like you're doing better especially when the media keeps talking like this is the second coming of the Great Depression (or worse).

26 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:49pm

Not the Information Age, my friends.
The Age of Disinformation.

27 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:22:55pm

re: #10 Spellcheck

Will you be better off four years from now?

Will you be better of four months from now?

28 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:23:07pm

"A Time for Choosing" (October 27, 1964)
Ronald Wilson Reagan

See if you can detect a difference.

29 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #23 JammieWearingFool

Don't forget Jimmy Carter was leading in the polls two weeks before Reagan crushed him.

Are you sure about that?

30 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:23:13pm

re: #11 JSK1121

Do not question The One, nor his minions in the Al-sociated Press!

They can all bite my ass.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:23:40pm
32 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:24:31pm

re: #16 zombie

Not only that, but Obama used the words "the," "and," "of," "to," and "for" -- just like Reagan did!

Well, there you go! I'm convinced!

BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO!
BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO!
BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO!
BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO!
BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO! BHO!

33 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:24:40pm
34 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:24:55pm

re: #30 MandyManners

They can all bite my ass.

Almost makes me wish I was one of them. ;-)

35 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:24:56pm

There have been so many instances of herecy in this election by BHO. Right is wrong, up is down, left is right. So why not co-opt the leader of the conservative movement and declare yourself to be his heir. It makes as much sense as everything else. Sort of like ACORN accusing McCain of trying to commit voter fraud and suppression. We are living in times of Alice in Wonderland.

36 Buck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:24:56pm

McCain HAS TO start putting the blame for the Credit Crisis directly on the Democrats doorstep.

This is more important a message than any other.

Don't give the Presidency to the Democrats.

OBAMA voted with these guys 100% of the time!

37 dgax65  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:00pm

Yeah; that's a good strategy; invite comparisons to Reagan. What dipshit comes up with this crap.

38 JSK1121  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:05pm

re: #30 MandyManners

They can all bite my ass.

Oh they will, at 3 AM one night and neither you nor your bitten ass will be heard from again.

39 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:47pm

re: #30 MandyManners

They can all bite my ass.

Well put. Concise and to the point. Often used in conjunction with "Eat Me".

40 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:48pm

Never so much data.
Never so much ignorance and falsehood.

41 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:25:57pm
42 oceansidecon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:03pm

Has the world turned upside down?

43 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:07pm

The Gipper spinning? Hell, this has me spinning, and I'm still alive (and not drinking).

The question should be : "Are you better off, and is America better off, than it was before Jan. 20th, 2007 when Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the liberals took control of Congress?"

And since only 10% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, the answer is an emphatic NO!

44 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:12pm

re: #36 Buck

McCain HAS TO start putting the blame for the Credit Crisis directly on the Democrats doorstep.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

This is more important a message than any other.

Don't give the Presidency to the Democrats.

OBAMA voted with these guys 100% of the time!

About freaken time!

45 Pechon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:15pm

To answer his question, I am better off than I was four years ago. I'm making over $18k/yr more than I did in 2004. Granted I am now married with a kid on the way but I still feel that my general quality of life is better than it was four years ago.

The irony is amazing. A candidate that has the same ideals as Carter is using the same line that cost Carter the election.

46 JSK1121  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:41pm

If Barack were an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and Dick.

47 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:26:52pm
48 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:02pm

re: #41 taxfreekiller

There is in fact only ONE problem.

Only one?

49 BeckoningChasm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:19pm

He had a crowd of 8,000? Sarah Palin has more people show up when she goes out grocery shopping.

50 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:35pm

re: #42 oceansidecon

Has the world turned upside down?

Almost. The Cubs still haven't gotten to the World Series, and the Lions haven't yet won a game this season.

Some things are still upright in the world.

51 ROPMA  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:27:49pm

OT

Palin and the Pope
Sarah Palin is invited to meet with the Pope while he is vacationing in Venice.

The liberal press reluctantly watches the semi-private audience, hoping they will be able to allot minimal coverage, if any.

The Pope asks Governor Palin to join him on a Gondola ride through the canals of Venice.

They're admiring the sights and agreeing on moral issues when, all of a sudden, the Pope's hat (zucchetto) blows off his head and out into the water.

The gondolier starts to reach for the Pontiff's cap with his pole, but this move threatens to overturn the floating craft.

Sarah waves the tour guide off, saying, 'Wait, wait. I'll take care of this. Don't worry.'

She steps off the gondola onto the surface of the water and walks out to the Pope's hat, bends over and picks it up. She walks back across the water to the gondola and steps aboard. She hands the hat to the Pope amid stunned silence.

The next morning the topic of conversation among Democrats in Congress, CBS News, NBC News, ABC News, CNN, the New York Times, Hollywood celebrities, and in France and Germany is:
'Palin Can't Swim.'

52 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:28:28pm

re: #20 arethusa

Reagan always said "America's best days are ahead of her." Obama has never said that.

And I'm certain RR never envisioned a person of Obama's ilk and dislike of America would ever get this close to the Presidency.

53 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:28:37pm

Lets see now, you are going to modify contracts after the fact. Boy is that going to bring out the private capital to lend to people to buy their homes. The only game in town is going to be the FHA, FNM and FRE. It may be enlightened self interest for a mortgage lender to do a workout with somebody in default, but to do this as a command economy will make people think twice before they loan money in the future. What's next? A freeze on auto repossessions? A freeze on loans to companies that get into trouble? While it is possible to make such a freeze a condition of getting government assistance, a mandated from the gods on high freeze is probably prohibited by the takings clause in the Constitution. You remember the Constitution? Its the one that says a lot of things. Property was very important to the founders. Although we have had some really crap decisions like Keno, it is doubtful that a freeze on foreclosures except as a condition of assistance from the government to the institution making the loan would pass Constitutional muster.

54 dolfan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:28:41pm

Even if you aren't better off today than you were four weeks ago, none of that has anything to do with McCain. Again, someone needs to remind The One that he isn't running against George W. Bush.

55 oceansidecon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:28:53pm

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Almost. The Cubs still haven't gotten to the World Series, and the Lions haven't yet won a game this season.

Some things are still upright in the world.

My poor cubbies.

56 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #12 SeafoodGumbo

Reagan knew a Communist when he saw one, and that's what he'd see in Obama.

Reagan said:

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

Then there is Obama

And it's not surprising (in economic hard times) they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion

who paraphrases Marx

"Religion is an opiate of the masses."

A helpful apologist explains what Marx meant.

According to Marx, religion is used to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.

Uh, we understood that. He sees religion as something people use to distract themselves or others from the economic miseries now. So does Obama.

57 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:29:55pm

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Almost. The Cubs still haven't gotten to the World Series, and the Lions haven't yet won a game this season.

Some things are still upright in the world.

Yes, but the Rays are on the way to the World series, so MLB is at least seriously tilted.

58 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #49 BeckoningChasm

He had a crowd of 8,000? Sarah Palin has more people show up when she goes out grocery shopping.

She had 11000 in Colorado Springs this morning. Outside. Temps in the low 40's.

Now, that's Reaganesque.

59 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #54 dolfan

Even if you aren't better off today than you were four weeks ago, none of that has anything to do with McCain. Again, someone needs to remind The One that he isn't running against George W. Bush.

How about mcCain asking "Are you better off today than you were two years ago when the Dimwhits gained a majority"?

60 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:23pm

Love this pic of Senator Government .......

[Link: hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com...]

61 TnTx13  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:50pm

re: #37 dgax65

Yeah; that's a good strategy; invite comparisons to Reagan. What dipshit comes up with this crap.

And this revelation is at least a couple of weeks old - I remember seeing some news report on an Obama rally where he asked the same thing then. AP, along with the rest of the MSM, can REALLY be relied upon for breaking news, huh?

62 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:51pm

re: #57 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but the Rays are on the way to the World series, so MLB is at least seriously tilted.

Well it's tilted East that is for sure.

63 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:30:52pm

re: #57 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but the Rays are on the way to the World series, so MLB is at least seriously tilted.

Hey, as long as the Yankees never get there again, it's alright by me. ;-)

64 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:31:26pm

re: #60 JacksonTn

Love this pic of Senator Government .......

[Link: hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com...]

Photoshop, but accurate.

65 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:31:29pm

re: #58 arethusa

She had 11000 in Colorado Springs this morning. Outside. Temps in the low 40's.

Now, that's Reaganesque.

Just think what she would do if what's his name wasn't weighing her down?

66 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:14pm

re: #54 dolfan

Even if you aren't better off today than you were four weeks ago, none of that has anything to do with McCain. Again, someone needs to remind The One that he isn't running against George W. Bush.

They've been running against Bush for the past 8 years. For the past 4 years, we have mocked them here at lgf for it time and time and time again.

They finally realized all that work demonizing Bush was going to waste, so they were left with the only alternative - say that McCain is Bush and thereby transfer the BDS.

67 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:15pm

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

Hey, as long as the Yankees never get there again, it's alright by me. ;-)

Amen to that.

68 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:17pm

re: #57 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but the Rays are on the way to the World series, so MLB is at least seriously tilted.

Yeah, but Obama is rooting for the Rays AND the Phillies.

As a Phillies fan, I say The One is pretty "seriously tilted." (No offense to Rays fans, I'm referring to his inability to pick a side.)

69 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:34pm
70 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:37pm

Bush may have been 11 points down at this point four years ago, but he wasn't up against a behemoth this coordinated and dedicated to the cause.

/the total fix is in this time around

71 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:32:39pm

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

Hey, as long as the Yankees never get there again, it's alright by me. ;-)

The Stienbrenners are thinking of buying the Rays next year and moving them to NYC. That's what I hear?

72 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:33:06pm

With Joe Biden predicting a crisis, the questions for me, as a resident of NYC...

Will I be alive 4 months from now?

73 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:33:29pm

re: #53 Shr_Nfr

Give Obama a couple of SCOTUS picks and the left will not have to worry about "passing Constitutional muster." He won't appoint loose constructionists. He will appoint DEconstructionists like Ginsburg.

74 TnTx13  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:33:50pm

And then there's Colin Powell - Fox News just interviewed the RNC chairman about Powell's endorsement. Powell actually said that "the party" is at the least condoning questions about Obama being a Muslim, if not putting it out themselves. PLEASE - someone needs to explain a few things about e-mail and spam to Gen Powell.

If I had any respect left for Powell, it's gone now. He's spouting the same party line that comes out of all of the Obamanites.

75 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:01pm

re: #68 arethusa

Yeah, but Obama is rooting for the Rays AND the Phillies.

As a Phillies fan, I say The One is pretty "seriously tilted." (No offense to Rays fans, I'm referring to his inability to pick a side.)

What a tool.

76 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:31pm
77 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:35pm

Not that it'll matter to the B0-peeps, but Stanley Kurtz has another article about Obama's ties to the New Party.

We already know that Obama’s ties to ACORN’s Madeline Talbott ran deep. Less known is that Obama’s links to Chicago ACORN/New Party leader Ted Thomas were also strong. Thomas was one of a handful of aldermen who stood with Obama in his unsuccessful 2000 race for Congress against Bobby Rush.

Something New Here

78 akak  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:35pm

well, money trickling down the drain?

79 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:35pm

re: #72 tfc3rid

With Joe Biden predicting a crisis, the questions for me, as a resident of NYC...

Will I be alive 4 months from now?

Something to think about before you drop $50,000 down on those Met's Licensing seat fees?

80 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:34:50pm

re: #72 tfc3rid

With Joe Biden predicting a crisis, the questions for me, as a resident of NYC...

Will I be alive 4 months from now?

That's not funny...I actually will be bunkering down for six months after the election. Biden has been getting National Security briefs...

Either way, gives me a warm fuzzy knowing we will be tested with nukes on our heads.

81 thedude  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:35:00pm

maybe BHO can star in a remake about himself...Bedtime for Bonzo

82 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:35:11pm
83 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:35:29pm

re: #20 arethusa

Reagan always said "America's best days are ahead of her." Obama has never said that.

Obama frequently says two things that are completely contradictory. On the one hand, he waxes nostalgic for some unspecified past in which we were all fat and happy. At the same time, he paints the country as a horrible, racist place that we can only fix by electing him dictator for life and emperor of the universe. I know nothing should surprise me by now, but I am amazed that his disciples overlook this.

84 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:36:49pm

re: #72 tfc3rid

With Joe Biden predicting a crisis, the questions for me, as a resident of NYC...

Will I be alive 4 months from now?

McCain should spin that Biden quote into a "Bear in the Woods" type commercial.

85 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:36:52pm

re: #74 TnTx13

And then there's Colin Powell - Fox News just interviewed the RNC chairman about Powell's endorsement. Powell actually said that "the party" is at the least condoning questions about Obama being a Muslim, if not putting it out themselves. PLEASE - someone needs to explain a few things about e-mail and spam to Gen Powell.

If I had any respect left for Powell, it's gone now. He's spouting the same party line that comes out of all of the Obamanites.

Silly rabbit.

Vicious rumors that hurt the Democrat candidate are Rovian plots, fed directly to the RNC from the Boooosh cabal HQ.

Vicious rumors that hurt the Republican candidate are people that are unaffiliated with the Democrat campaign in any way. In fact, they are shocked and appalled.

86 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:36:54pm

re: #78 akak

well, money trickling down the drain?

That's more like it.

87 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:36:58pm
88 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:10pm

How to Lie and Buy Your Way Into the White House

/by Lord President For Life Obama

89 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:12pm

re: #74 TnTx13

And then there's Colin Powell - Fox News just interviewed the RNC chairman about Powell's endorsement. Powell actually said that "the party" is at the least condoning questions about Obama being a Muslim, if not putting it out themselves. PLEASE - someone needs to explain a few things about e-mail and spam to Gen Powell.

If I had any respect left for Powell, it's gone now. He's spouting the same party line that comes out of all of the Obamanites.

Frankly Colin, I am not sure it matters if he is a Muslim compared to coming out of te Academy of Black Liberation Theology ala the Most Reverent Jeremiah Wright. So you want to say he is not a Muslim, I will humor you. Then what exactly is he? Can you say Marxist Radical? I knew you could.

90 baxtrice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:13pm

...

(left speechless by the propaganda)

91 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:14pm

re: #79 Nevergiveup

Something to think about before you drop $50,000 down on those Met's Licensing seat fees?

Nah, those are for the Jets... No PSL's for the Mets thank God... I owe them no more $$...

92 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:25pm

"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." ~RWR

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." ~BHO

93 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:37pm

We were all focusing so much on Biden's prediction of an international crisis in the last thread, here's another quote from the same speech:

"Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

So Biden predicts mass unpopularity for an Obama administration. Gee. Wonder why?/

94 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:40pm

MandyManners are you still out there? I was expecting to get a *whack* for my #34. Hmmm. Maybe I was too transperrant.

95 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Are you sure about that?

Yes, I am.

In the 1980 presidential election, former California Gov. Ronald Reagan trailed President Jimmy Carter by 8 points in a late October Gallup poll. A mere 10 days after that survey was conducted, Reagan defeated the incumbent president by nearly 3 percentage points, sealing one of the biggest turnarounds in the history of American presidential politics.

I believe he beat him by far more than three points, though.

This story also draws the Reagan-Obama comparison. How could we all have missed it?

96 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:47pm

re: #80 cblesz

Biden has been getting National Security briefs...

I think he washed them in hot water and there's too much pressure on his brain.

97 TnTx13  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:37:49pm

re: #83 doppelganglander

Obama frequently says two things that are completely contradictory. On the one hand, he waxes nostalgic for some unspecified past in which we were all fat and happy. At the same time, he paints the country as a horrible, racist place that we can only fix by electing him dictator for life and emperor of the universe. I know nothing should surprise me by now, but I am amazed that his disciples overlook this.

They have all been hypnotized by him and can no longer think for themselves (if they ever could). I now believe there are two basic types of people in this country - those who are enthralled by The One and those (lizards!) who see right through him. May the latter prevail!

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:03pm
Barack Obama promised a Florida audience Monday he would halt foreclosures in their tracks


I haven't seen any economists address this yet. I suspect this would further damage banks who can't reclaim the collateral for non-payment. How many people would just stop paying their mortgage and live for free?

99 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

Photoshop, but accurate.

Photoshop? Ya think? ; )

100 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:25pm

re: #80 cblesz

That's not funny...I actually will be bunkering down for six months after the election. Biden has been getting National Security briefs...

Either way, gives me a warm fuzzy knowing we will be tested with nukes on our heads.

The gf and I are planning to move out of NYC sometimes in 2009... She wants to move closer to home, probably work work out of Chicago (ugh)... Me, I want to move to the Carolinas, possibly the Atlanta, GA area...

101 jaunte  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:39pm

It is most important now to hang onto disputed R seats in Senate races.

102 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:41pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, zombie: I had some fun romping on your blog on the Ayers-review thread.

I saw that! Excellent jousting against the socialists/moonbats! You knocked that one delusional communist off his horse several times, but he kept saying "It's only a scratch!" until he was nothing but a torso.

103 dolfan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:38:46pm

re: #88 Killian Bundy

How to Lie and Buy Your Way Into the White House

/by Lord President For Life Obama


With contributing "comments" from William Ayers and George Soros.

104 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #20 arethusa

Reagan always said "America's best days are ahead of her." Obama has never said that.

Isn't thinking that America was begun in evil, perpetuated in evil, and now commits evil daily, but that will all stop with Obama, kinda the same thing as saying her "best days are ahead?"

///////

105 Crusty  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:39:21pm

A socialist invoking the words of the man who crushed the Soviet Union with his bare hands. Waiter, check please...

Reagan was the very antithesis of Obama in every way, shape and form. Under Reagan during the so-called "decade of greed", corporate and private donations went up sharply because people had more money to spend on charity because of Reagan's policies of cutting taxes. That's the way to spread the wealth, comrade Obama. Voluntarily, not through the slavery and theft of "tax the rich."

If Reagan were alive today he'd never stop slapping that sonuvabitch.

106 TnTx13  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:39:30pm

Palin's on Fox News right now - hitting 'em out of the ballpark!

107 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:39:33pm

Last update - 10:03 20/10/2008

Israel mulling non-aggression treaty with Lebanon

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

How do you sign anything with a non-existent Government? What are they drinking over there?

108 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

Powell playing insider politics to land a role in what he thinks os the next administration... after this election perhaps he'll just do the McArthur thing and fade away quietly, mebbe write a book or two or so extra and or mebbe just generally stfu about politics.

109 Pechon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:04pm

re: #54 dolfan

Even if you aren't better off today than you were four weeks ago, none of that has anything to do with McCain. Again, someone needs to remind The One that he isn't running against George W. Bush.

Problem is, people who've made up their mind about Senator Govt. believe this. You can argue about it till you're blue in the face.

They believe that Bush caused the price of gas to go up, the sole reason why we're in a financial mess, why the neighbors dog keeps crapping in the yard, why they didn't win the lottery, and other miscellaneous mishaps.

America is getting fleeced in this election with this crap. You know what, a part of me wants to see it go down. Not so I can gloat, but in hopes by 2010, the country will realize the mistake it's made and elect Republicans back in control of Congress. Barry's whole presidency will be centered on "It's Bush's Fault".

110 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:12pm

re: #100 tfc3rid

The gf and I are planning to move out of NYC sometimes in 2009... She wants to move closer to home, probably work work out of Chicago (ugh)... Me, I want to move to the Carolinas, possibly the Atlanta, GA area...

If you've survived NYC all these years, you can handle Chicago. Outside of the obvious, it's a fun town.

111 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:30pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Last update - 10:03 20/10/2008

Israel mulling non-aggression treaty with Lebanon

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

How do you sign anything with a non-existent Government? What are they drinking over there?

Wow... The world is REALLY upside down...

112 El Lizardo mejicano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:49pm

Excellent read from Mr Kurtz:

Something New Here
Radical? Check. Tied to ACORN? Check. Redistributionist? Check.

By Stanley Kurtz

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Connecting the dots....

113 akak  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #86 MandyManners

That's more like it.

Well money gushing like Niagara Falls down the drain will be more accurate.

But hey, what's a trillion dollars to a bunch of voters.

114 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

Bush may have been 11 points down at this point four years ago, but he wasn't up against a behemoth this coordinated and dedicated to the cause.

/the total fix is in this time around

Yes, and yet Obama is only ahead by 3-7 points, depending on which poll you believe. For $650 million, he should be getting a landslide.

115 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:41:06pm

Did I miss something? ....... this friggin election is NOT over yet ....... they play the media any way they want ........just make sure you get as many members of your family out to vote ....... they will pad the early voting ........ the have inflated the polls with registered voters who are not real people ...... they will trickle out endorsements at the appropriate time especially at the end of the race ....... this has always been their game plan ....... they did it in the primaries ........don't fall for it .........just bring people to the polls .........

116 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:41:09pm

re: #105 Crusty

Reagan was the very antithesis of Obama in every way, shape and form.

Come now. They're both carbon-based bipeds.

117 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:41:17pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I haven't seen any economists address this yet. I suspect this would further damage banks who can't reclaim the collateral for non-payment. How many people would just stop paying their mortgage and live for free?

It might be that he is thinking along the same line as McCain. McCain proposed using the remaing $350M from the bailout bill to buy mortgages directly and refinance them at lower principal & interest from the borrowers. Sort of sucks for everyone that was repsonsible, but thems the breaks.

118 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:41:28pm

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

If you've survived NYC all these years, you can handle Chicago. Outside of the obvious, it's a fun town.

I probably could but I'd rather move somewhere, red...

119 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:41:53pm

Reaganomics? Funny thing, I don't recall him running on that platform back during the Primaries. You know, back in ancient history when he had the Che posters up at headquarters.

120 JSK1121  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:42:00pm

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Alert (from me): October 29, game 6 of the World Series, is when The One will be airing his half hour TV extravaganza. This half hour program is due to delay the first pitch of that World Series game and surely piss off a good portion of Phillies and Rays fan. The Phillies and Rays fans mostly come from the swing states of PA and FL. Perhaps Bud Selig rigged the AL and NL playoffs in order to get a bunch of Phillies and Rays fans pissed off at The One, and hence not vote for him? If Obama loses PA and FL on November 4, we'll all know why.

121 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:42:19pm

This is what personal responsibility looks like....
Video: McCain supporters confront guy linking Obama to Islam

Let the nuts know they aren't welcome and they will go away. More of this please.

122 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:42:21pm

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Religion may be the opiate of the masses, but the Obama candidacy demonstrates that politics infused with religion is the crack of the masses.

Obama is the opiate for the ASSES.

123 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:42:26pm

re: #118 tfc3rid

I probably could but I'd rather move somewhere, red...

If you came here, you could join the fight. With Blago going down, Illinois may very well turn red again.

124 Opinionated  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:42:55pm

I've got a better question that McCain should ask.

Weren't you better off two years ago- Before Democrats took control of Congress.

125 RickZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:43:06pm

re: #74 TnTx13

If I had any respect left for Powell, it's gone now. He's spouting the same party line that comes out of all of the Obamanites.

I would love to hear Schwartzkoff's thoughts on his former boss.

126 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:43:19pm

re: #122 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Obama is the opiate for the ASSES.

So Obama is an enema?

/Enema of the people.

127 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:43:42pm

re: #94 Ford_Prefect

We were amused.

128 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:44:12pm

re: #125 RickZ

I would love to hear Schwartzkoff's thoughts on his former boss.

I have absolutely no idea, but i bet they didn't one bit.

129 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:44:54pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Barack Obama promised a Florida audience Monday he would halt foreclosures in their tracks

I haven't seen any economists address this yet. I suspect this would further damage banks who can't reclaim the collateral for non-payment. How many people would just stop paying their mortgage and live for free?

Exactly. Even by merely suggesting this, Obama probably sent a panic through the banking industry.

Step by step we are indeed headed for "universal public housing" (i.e. Soviet/Maoism style in which the government owns all homes) under the Obama plan: nationalize the banks, then cancel all foreclosures. Eventually, the government will essentially have ownership of all/most homes in the US, and the occupants therein will have stopped paying mortgages or rent.

Sorta like the "council estates" in England. And you know how peachy-keen those are.

130 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:44:59pm

re: #97 TnTx13

They have all been hypnotized by him and can no longer think for themselves (if they ever could). I now believe there are two basic types of people in this country - those who are enthralled by The One and those (lizards!) who see right through him. May the latter prevail!

I don't think Obama hypnotizes anyone. There are a lot of people out there who find thinking to be an intolerable burden, and they are delighted to find a leader who relieves them of it.

131 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:45:04pm

OT, but: Wow. An immigrant has to school David Corn on Constitutional rights.

On second thought, it's not that surprising.

132 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:45:06pm

re: #118 tfc3rid

I probably could but I'd rather move somewhere, red...

I hear you. Somewhere warmer would be preferable. Georgia or the Carolinas would be nice.

133 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:45:20pm

re: #56 Silhouette

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.


Perfect!

134 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:45:52pm

US: Russia not complying with Georgia cease-fire
Published: 10.20.08, 18:05 / Israel News
Russia is violating a European Union-brokered cease-fire by maintaining troops in two disputed Georgian territories, US Undersecretary of State Daniel Fried said Monday.

"The cease-fire accord that President Sarkozy negotiated requires that all the Russian armed forces withdraw to their positions before the outbreak of hostilities," Fried said. "The Russians have not done so, and therefore they are not in compliance with the cease-fire." (AP)

AND?

135 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:45:58pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

This is what personal responsibility looks like....
Video: McCain supporters confront guy linking Obama to Islam

Let the nuts know they aren't welcome and they will go away. More of this please.

That video speaks quite well of the McCain campaign.

136 jwpaine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:46:12pm

re: #83 doppelganglander

I noticed that He said both those things one or two sentences apart during (IIRC) the second debate. I pointed it out to my wife, and we were both incredulous that none of the conservative pundits called Him on it in the post-debate blather.

/just getting used to capitalizing the "h" in "he" and "him" while I still have the choice

137 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:46:54pm

I read at Worldnetdaily, that Ahmed Yousef, that bastard from fakestine, thinks Joe Biden is good news for the middle east.

I particularly "like" this bit;

His record speaks volumes. I do believe Mr. Biden is a great man. And we do count on him also as a good partner with Mr. Obama to put the right policy regarding how to handle the problems in the region."

It kinda needs paraphrasing doesnt it.

His record speaks volumes. I do believe Mr. Biden is a great man. And we do count on him also as a good partner with Mr. Obama to put the right in place our policy regarding how to handle the problems in the regiondrive all the Jews into the sea."

138 Scion9  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:00pm

re: #24 rw in san diego

I think you have to go back just a tad further in history than Reagan to find an Obama like economic policy...how about Carternomics? I don't know if the policies are identical but the fix we'll all be in will be.

139 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:19pm

re: #124 Opinionated

I've got a better question that McCain should ask.

My friends, do you really want Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and Senator Government Obama working together as a super majority, with a super majority in both houses of congress, with the freedom to vote in, unchallenged, any and all liberal legislation, taking away your freedoms, and your money?

140 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:20pm

re: #132 JammieWearingFool

I hear you. Somewhere warmer would be preferable. Georgia or the Carolinas would be nice.

And, my company has offices in the Carolinas as well as ATL... Not Chicago... And I'd like to stay with my firm...

Oh well... Wherever I end up I'll fight Obama and his media lackeys...

141 Daisy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:45pm

The Lord of the Moonbats also enjoys comparing himself w/Lincoln. He's no Reagan and he's sure as hell no Lincoln.

Karl Marxomics? Castronomics (thanks Zombie)? Putinomics? Chavezonomics? Thugonomics? Well now, that's more like it.

142 Kyle_st  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:52pm

LGF had been loading real slow again, for a couple of hours now at least.

143 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:48:59pm

re: #68 arethusa

Yeah, but Obama is rooting for the Rays AND the Phillies.

As a Phillies fan, I say The One is pretty "seriously tilted." (No offense to Rays fans, I'm referring to his inability to pick a side.)

Is that the same as voting "present"?

144 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:05pm

re: #111 tfc3rid

Olmert is trying to make deals on his way out the door (and into prison). He's hoping for a legacy, and it doesn't matter who he deals with.

Lebanon's government is thoroughly compromised by Hizbullah and Syria. No deal with Lebanon would ever improve Israel's security situation with Hizbullah involved. None.

Olmert's busy trying to do a deal with Abbas - promising everything under the sun; and it will never be enough.

145 fish  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:12pm

I have heard the One using that "4 weeks ago" line before. It has become a big part of his stump speech.

146 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:23pm

NYU poll: US Jews favor Obama 2:1

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Makes me want to puke.

147 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:27pm

Joe the Plumber coming up on Hannity's show.

148 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:56pm

re: #135 Jamie

Indeed. It's also worth noting that "normal" people were really repulsed by that guy. That kind of idiotic nonsense loses votes. It's very nice to see people starting to notice that.

149 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:49:58pm

re: #136 jwpaine

re: #83 doppelganglander

I noticed that He said both those things one or two sentences apart during (IIRC) the second debate. I pointed it out to my wife, and we were both incredulous that none of the conservative pundits called Him on it in the post-debate blather.

/just getting used to capitalizing the "h" in "he" and "him" while I still have the choice

The pundits have their comments written before the debate, so it's no wonder they missed it. As for capitalizing the H, LOL. I spent 8 years never using the title of President before Clinton's name. I won't use it for "that one" either.

150 lumpy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:50:08pm

Biden Admits Obama is Unprepared for International Crisis - Time for That Primetime Event

I am still flummoxed that McCain has not purchased his own primetime special to counter Obama. Why give Obama the last word just three days before the election? His eloquence is a weapon he uses effectively to deflect facts and divert attention; and McCain could use a primetime address to reach the entire nation - not only the few targeted states on the campaign’s radar, but even states they have all but given up on that could still be in play.

151 Osama Bin Porkchop  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:50:24pm

Obama is a blasphemer.....

Carternomics, as one earlier user called it, is a more apt description

152 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:51:02pm

re: #143 Spiny Norman

Is that the same as voting "present"?

And it's the same as Hilliary ( supposedly a life long Chicago Fan?-I actually thought she only rooted for herself?) putting on that Yankee hat and saying she was now a Yankee fan. What a dick. And yes I think she has one.

153 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:51:14pm

re: #95 JammieWearingFool

I believe he beat him by far more than three points, though.

This story also draws the Reagan-Obama comparison. How could we all have missed it?

But then they (CNN) go on to liken McCain to Carter, and Obama to Reagan:

But if 2008 is at all like 1980, it's Obama who is Ronald Reagan, not McCain.

Reagan was the relatively fresh face in the 1980 race, painstakingly portrayed by Democrats as ill-equipped for the Oval Office. That portrayal largely stuck, until Reagan and the unpopular President Carter faced off in a presidential debate only days before Election Day.

In that debate, the affable Reagan came off as the competent and polished candidate in the race, while Carter came off as off-balance, weak and even un-presidential. It was a devastating performance for an incumbent president already mired in low approval ratings.

154 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:51:33pm

"Is your wealth being spread around better now than it was four weeks ago?"
"How about four weeks from now"

Power to the Correct People!
(They spread their own wealth around, and leave others wealth alone.)

155 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:07pm

re: #135 Jamie

Update: It's a good sign but I just read the comments over at Hot Air and now I'm bummed out again. Far too many people still don't get it. Oh well, maybe 4 to 8 years of Obama will wake them up.

156 mayor of imaginationland  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:22pm

Just thought I'd share some liberal tolerance with you. Please note, this will offend the sensibilities of anyone with a brain.

Me: So why do you not like McCain?
Dorm Hall Resident: Because Palin sucks a dick
Me: What?
DHR: Seriously that's the only reason McCain chose her is because she sucks dick. He's like a thousand years old then she will be president when he dies because it's like a hundred percent that he'll die
Me: (Trying not to laugh) Are you high?
DHR: She like can't be president 'cause she'll be PMSing and nuke something
DHR2: Yeah McCain will die cause he's like a thousand and she sucks a dick
Me: (Walk away laughing)

There is no helping these people. They have been indoctrinated with hate. Vote November 4th and show Obama and these crazies whats what.

157 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:52:44pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Update: It's a good sign but I just read the comments over at Hot Air and now I'm bummed out again. Far too many people still don't get it. Oh well, maybe 4 to 8 years of Obama will wake them up.

Is that when the dead are suppose to arise?

158 Opinionated  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:53:11pm

Colin Powell believes Obama will bring harmony.

But he is not harmonious with his own son.

Colin Powell splits with son over White House race

Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, has put him at odds with his own son, former Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Michael Powell.

Michael Powell, who served as a policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, is a surrogate for John McCain and represents the GOP nominee on the campaign trail.

[Link: www.thehill.com...]

159 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:53:17pm

Obama wouldn't form a good pimple on Reagan's butt.
He who stands in the shadow of greatness has not claim to it.

160 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:53:51pm

re: #157 Nevergiveup

Not sure, I have a book about that here somewhere. Where did I put that damn book?

161 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:53:56pm

re: #139 unrealizedviewpoint

My friends, do you really want Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and Senator Government Obama working together as a super majority, with a super majority in both houses of congress, with the freedom to vote in, unchallenged, any and all liberal legislation, taking away your freedoms, and your money?

They essentially have that running in Wisconsin right now.

162 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:54:00pm

re: #150 lumpy

I agree about the half hour buy (I assume money is the problem), though I've also heard that McCain ads will be saturating the airwaves the last 10 days or so in swing states, and (less believable) that Obama may have made the buy because by then he'll largely be off the air. We'll see.

I think actually this would be good for future elections: let the networks give each candidate a half-hour of prime time a few days before the election. It beats the heck out of a debate as boring as debate #2, at least.

163 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:54:08pm

Later Lizards!

Stay Green!

164 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:54:17pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Update: It's a good sign but I just read the comments over at Hot Air and now I'm bummed out again. Far too many people still don't get it. Oh well, maybe 4 to 8 years of Obama will wake them up.

The problem is amount of digging out to be done after that.

McCain should use Obama's "spread the wealth" and Biden's "we will be tested" to the max the next two weeks.

165 Scion9  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:54:32pm

re: #151 Osama Bin Porkchop

Obama is a blasphemer.....

Carternomics, as one earlier user called it, is a more apt description

Another poster called it Obamunism.

166 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:55:11pm

re: #133 SeafoodGumbo

I take some exception to that. In order to understand the weakness of your opponent, you must understand what your opponent believes. It is necessary to read books written by those you oppose. You find their strong points and you find their weak points. To not do that is like going into a battle without recognizance of the enemy's fortifications.

167 slartybartfast  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:55:17pm

I hope he spends the whole week there: Miami/Dade County is full of refugees from real socialism! Maybe BHO will get an education while he's there. Heh.

McCain is 'way ahead in FL and I'd bet the farm on a Republican victory there.

(The farm is on the line anyway, thanks to the possibility of Obamanomics.)

168 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:55:43pm

re: #159 maddogg

Obama wouldn't form a good pimple on Reagan's butt.
He who stands in the shadow of greatness has not claim to it.

The horse puckey Reagan undoubtedly stepped in from time to time on his ranch has more of a claim to greatness than Obamarx.

169 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:56:09pm

I am moveing this week,and my new place will have cable TV.
I will have Fox news and CSpan.I will almost be human again,,LOL

170 joncelli  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:56:18pm

re: #164 jcm

All I can hope is that McCain is husbanding his money for a massive ad buy on November 3 (Monday night). I'm in PA, supposedly a swing state, and I have seen very few McCain ads.

171 Osama Bin Porkchop  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:56:32pm

re: #165 Scion9

Another poster called it Obamunism.


That will work for me, as a descriptor, as well....
It's slightly more catchy then Socialism....lol

172 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:56:35pm

re: #165 Scion9

Another poster called it Obamunism.

It's still an Obamanation, no matter what you call it.

173 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:56:37pm

re: #153 Ward Cleaver

But then they (CNN) go on to liken McCain to Carter, and Obama to Reagan:

Are they really that focking stupid?

Ronald Reagan was hardly a "fresh face" in 1980, having been California governor for 8 years and nearly winning the GOP nomination in 1976.

The the Mainstream Media, to a man, claimed Carter won the debate.

Idiots. Liars.

174 AmericanMe  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:16pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet

OT, but: Wow. An immigrant has to school David Corn on Constitutional rights.

F'en A. Tito is my Homeboy!

175 calvin coolidge  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:21pm

My comment to the AP: Well, there you go again.

176 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #129 zombie

Exactly. Even by merely suggesting this, Obama probably sent a panic through the banking industry.

Step by step we are indeed headed for "universal public housing" (i.e. Soviet/Maoism style in which the government owns all homes) under the Obama plan: nationalize the banks, then cancel all foreclosures. Eventually, the government will essentially have ownership of all/most homes in the US, and the occupants therein will have stopped paying mortgages or rent.

Sorta like the "council estates" in England. And you know how peachy-keen those are.

What about those who own their houses with no mortgages or can just write a check for one?

177 Opinionated  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:22pm

re: #165 Scion9

Another poster called it Obamunism.

How about Obamananism.

Leftist self-gratification.

178 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:31pm

re: #158 Opinionated

Let's see some news about THAT in the MSM.
Is it not an interesting human-interest story? Huh?

sigh

179 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:57:41pm

re: #170 joncelli

All I can hope is that McCain is husbanding his money for a massive ad buy on November 3 (Monday night). I'm in PA, supposedly a swing state, and I have seen very few McCain ads.

It's his own fault. Remember McCain- Feingold? How do you like them apples now John?

180 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:58:04pm

re: #164 jcm

The problem is amount of digging out to be done after that.

McCain should use Obama's "spread the wealth" and Biden's "we will be tested" to the max the next two weeks.

Tapper says McCain will attack on Biden's comments this afternoon.

BTW, Tapper's lead story is that the McCain campaign is reconsidering using Wright against Obama.

No one get too excited, though...

181 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:58:27pm

re: #156 mayor of imaginationland

DHR: She like can't be president 'cause she'll be PMSing and nuke something

So women are too emotional from their cycles to be trusted with nuclear weapons?

This is the party that NOW tells us is the one that respects women.

182 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:59:28pm

re: #156 mayor of imaginationland

Just thought I'd share some liberal tolerance with you. Please note, this will offend the sensibilities of anyone with a brain.

Me: So why do you not like McCain?
Dorm Hall Resident: Because Palin sucks a dick
Me: What?
DHR: Seriously that's the only reason McCain chose her is because she sucks dick. He's like a thousand years old then she will be president when he dies because it's like a hundred percent that he'll die
Me: (Trying not to laugh) Are you high?
DHR: She like can't be president 'cause she'll be PMSing and nuke something
DHR2: Yeah McCain will die cause he's like a thousand and she sucks a dick
Me: (Walk away laughing)

There is no helping these people. They have been indoctrinated with hate. Vote November 4th and show Obama and these crazies whats what.


Our institutes of higher learning...what a joke.

183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:59:39pm

re: #176 MandyManners

What about those who own their houses with no mortgages or can just write a check for one?

Own your own home? What are you? Racist?

/

184 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 12:59:54pm

re: #156 mayor of imaginationland

Have no fear, those same people will strangely wake up on election day and forget to vote. Happens every time. They'll complain. They'll whine. They'll wear the pins and banners.

But they'll forget to vote.

Say hello to Obama girl.

Big hit earlier this year.

Except she forgot to vote in the primary election. Funny how that works.

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:06pm

re: #150 lumpy

Biden Admits Obama is Unprepared for International Crisis - Time for That Primetime Event

I am still flummoxed that McCain has not purchased his own primetime special to counter Obama. Why give Obama the last word just three days before the election? His eloquence is a weapon he uses effectively to deflect facts and divert attention; and McCain could use a primetime address to reach the entire nation - not only the few targeted states on the campaign’s radar, but even states they have all but given up on that could still be in play.

McCain's campaign is planning a 72 hour TV blitz starting Nov. 1st. But I'm not sure if they're buying blocks of time.

186 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:06pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

Are they really that focking stupid?

Ronald Reagan was hardly a "fresh face" in 1980, having been California governor for 8 years and nearly winning the GOP nomination in 1976.

The the Mainstream Media, to a man, claimed Carter won the debate.

Idiots. Liars.

Reagan's national political debut was his "Time for Choosing" speech in 1964 (I linked it above). Before that he was making speeches for GE, which had a political slant. Before that he was President of SAG and made a name beating back communist infiltration of Hollywood. Reagan was well known by the time he ran for president.

187 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:11pm

re: #177 Opinionated

How about Obamananism.

Leftist self-gratification.

Well, the Left is certainly having an Obamagasm.

188 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:14pm

re: #170 joncelli

All I can hope is that McCain is husbanding his money for a massive ad buy on November 3 (Monday night). I'm in PA, supposedly a swing state, and I have seen very few McCain ads.

I've heard - on FOX, I think - that he is indeed husbanding for late ads.

189 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:21pm

re: #181 Silhouette

So women are too emotional from their cycles to be trusted with nuclear weapons?

This is the party that NOW tells us is the one that respects women.

It's the Democrats who love em and leave em. We Republicans live with our mistakes.OOPS, did I just say that. Please don't tell my wife.

190 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #180 arethusa

Tapper says McCain will attack on Biden's comments this afternoon.

BTW, Tapper's lead story is that the McCain campaign is reconsidering using Wright against Obama.

No one get too excited, though...

Why does this campaign always advance its plans prior to acting?

191 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:46pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

The point is not to understand the world, but to chnage it. -Marx

You are laboring under the delusion that objective truth exists.
Heh.

192 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:00:57pm
193 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:01:03pm

Catholics getting in gear ...... not sure I have seen them this active before .....they been bringing it on at my parish .......

[Link: www.priestsforlife.org...]

194 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:01:17pm

re: #166 Shr_Nfr

I take some exception to that. In order to understand the weakness of your opponent, you must understand what your opponent believes. It is necessary to read books written by those you oppose. You find their strong points and you find their weak points. To not do that is like going into a battle without recognizance of the enemy's fortifications.

I think you know what Reagan meant.

195 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:01:38pm

re: #156 mayor of imaginationland

Obviously 'Dorm Hall Resident" has never met Barney Frank.

196 mayor of imaginationland  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:01:39pm

re: #182 cblesz

I do have good news, I can't speak for the rest of the college though as I live in the Engineering dorms, but most of my dorm hall is made up of staunch Republicans. However we do have a few rabid Obamaniacs. .

197 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:07pm
198 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:08pm

re: #179 Nevergiveup

If the issues we are facing weren't so goddamn critical, I'd take a certain pleasure about McCain's shooting himself in the foot with "Campaign Finance Reform". As it is, though, I wish McCain had the balls to at least admit that he was wrong about Campaign Finance Reform, and opt out of the public financing so he could raise more money. He's shcakled himself in the name of Politicsal Correctness, and doesn't have the stones to admit his mistake. If he loses, this will be a BIG factor in it.

199 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #180 arethusa

Tapper says McCain will attack on Biden's comments this afternoon.

BTW, Tapper's lead story is that the McCain campaign is reconsidering using Wright against Obama.

No one get too excited, though...

McCain had Wright off-limits because he was hoping for Powell's endorsement. Now that Barry offered Powell a job in his administration (and I guess McCain didn't), all bets may be off.

200 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:19pm

IT CAN BE ELEKSHUN TIEM NOW PLZ?

201 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #180 arethusa

Tapper says McCain will attack on Biden's comments this afternoon.

BTW, Tapper's lead story is that the McCain campaign is reconsidering using Wright against Obama.

No one get too excited, though...

Combination "Daisy" and "Bear in the Woods" ad with Biden's comments.

Rush talked about Wright this morning. It was McCain who suggested Powell's son for FCC, wooing him so to speak. McCain's been holding off on Wright so as not insult Powell. No reason to anymore.

202 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Update: It's a good sign but I just read the comments over at Hot Air and now I'm bummed out again. Far too many people still don't get it. Oh well, maybe 4 to 8 years of Obama will wake them up.

What, you didn't buy the argument that every one of those "Obama is a Muslim" idiots is a Moby?

/sarc
//rolls eyes

203 jwpaine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:38pm

re: #149 doppelganglander

Yeah, and I'm only half-joking about the capitalization. I'm half-seriously wondering how soon we'll find any direct quote from Him published in red letters.

Jesus wept.

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:02:47pm
205 jcm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:03:03pm

Gotta run......................

206 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:03:20pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet

OT, but: Wow. An immigrant has to school David Corn on Constitutional rights.

On second thought, it's not that surprising.

I sometimes wish that we who were born in America, whose families go back for generations, could have the 'fresh eyes' of the new arrival for just a little while...

207 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:03:34pm

re: #198 Iron Fist

Well to late to opt now. He is what we call the stuckee.

208 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:03:40pm

re: #165 Scion9

Another poster called it Obamunism.

Obammunism? Obammunist?

"Four legs good, two legs O-baaaaaaaaaaaaa-ma!

/we could be so fucked if Zero wins........

209 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:04:03pm

re: #190 unrealizedviewpoint

Why does this campaign always advance its plans prior to acting?

If it's true, it runs counter to McCain's claim that he doesn't telegraph his punches.

210 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:04:26pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

One of the Obamanoids in my synagogue told me--with intense anger--just after the Palin nomination was announced, that "McCain was going to have an affair with her."

Lunacy.

Makes one wonder about Nancy Pelosi as third in line to the Presidency, and how they feel about it.

211 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:04:48pm

This is straight out of Orwell. Call something the exact opposite of what it is and hope that the lie is so bald-faced nobody notices.

Reaganomics was about cutting the top tax rates and having low corporate and capital gains taxes to stimulate the economy. . .ie EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Obama is proposing!

McCain's is the platform closest aligned to Reagan's.

As to Powell serving in an Obama administration, color me shocked on that one. I posted here that Powell was angling for a cushy Obama administration job last week, and its about the only explanation for his endorsement that makes sense.

212 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:05:06pm

re: #186 jcm

Reagan's national political debut was his "Time for Choosing" speech in 1964 (I linked it above). Before that he was making speeches for GE, which had a political slant. Before that he was President of SAG and made a name beating back communist infiltration of Hollywood. Reagan was well known by the time he ran for president.

Exactly. Reagan was a well-known conservative political figure for a generation. CNN is indulging in a ridiculous fiction.

213 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:05:41pm

What fool would vote for a man that guaranty's collapse of the banking system?

214 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:05:45pm

I am thinking another reason ..... not that the partial birth abortion thing is not enough ...... that Catholic church getting it on is .......Black Liberation Theology from Trinity Church........... Catholic church has been fighting the Liberation Theology thing for over 40 years in south america ....... Black Liberation Theology is just its cousin ........BRING ON THE REV. WRIGHT .......

215 mayor of imaginationland  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:06:11pm

re: #210 Honorary Yooper

AAAAAHH!

Pelosi...

Third...

President...

AAAAAAHH!

(runs to the corner and mumbles incoherently)

216 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:06:13pm

Look...if mcCain wanted this job...NOTHING would be off the table. I would have a 24-7 loop of Wright's comments and how Obama only threw him under the bus when it was politically expedient. Enough is enough...I would follow with the Fannie/Freddie mess, etc.

217 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:06:21pm

re: #210 Honorary Yooper

Makes one wonder about Nancy Pelosi as third in line to the Presidency, and how they feel about it.

Is there anyone who finds Nancy Pelosi as attractive as Sarah Palin? If so, I humbly submit there is something wrong with them.

218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:06:46pm

re: #213 pat

What fool would vote for a man that guaranty's collapse of the banking system?

The same fool who thinks they can get Socialism to work this time

219 Scion9  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:07:07pm

re: #196 mayor of imaginationland

I do have good news, I can't speak for the rest of the college though as I live in the Engineering dorms, but most of my dorm hall is made up of staunch Republicans. However we do have a few rabid Obamaniacs. .

Yeah. I have had similar experiences on campus. Math and science guys tend to gravitate towards Conservatism. The exception being, at least anecdotally, that pre-meds tend to be liberal.

220 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:07:10pm

re: #208 IslandLibertarian

we could be so fucked if Zero wins........

You might want to stock up on lube (holy smokes).

221 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:08:03pm

re: #217 arethusa

Is there anyone who finds Nancy Pelosi as attractive as Sarah Palin? If so, I humbly submit there is something wrong with them.

Never said anything about attractiveness. If we use "Dorm Hall Resident"'s standards, she's unacceptable to him as well.

222 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:08:14pm

re: #209 Ward Cleaver

If it's true, it runs counter to McCain's claim that he doesn't telegraph his punches.

It's true. They telegraphed plans prior to pulling out of MI. Why not just pull? And now they're telegraphing they plan to attack with Wright negs. WTF?

223 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:08:21pm
224 Outrider  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:08:37pm

re: #156 mayor of imaginationland

Just thought I'd share some liberal tolerance with you. Please note, this will offend the sensibilities of anyone with a brain.

Me: So why do you not like McCain?
Dorm Hall Resident: Because Palin sucks a dick
Me: What?
DHR: Seriously that's the only reason McCain chose her is because she sucks dick. He's like a thousand years old then she will be president when he dies because it's like a hundred percent that he'll die
Me: (Trying not to laugh) Are you high?
DHR: She like can't be president 'cause she'll be PMSing and nuke something
DHR2: Yeah McCain will die cause he's like a thousand and she sucks a dick
Me: (Walk away laughing)

There is no helping these people. They have been indoctrinated with hate. Vote November 4th and show Obama and these crazies whats what.

This really does seem to be the consensus in the Democrat camp. Have they forgotten Golda Meir? Maggy Thatcher? President Aquino? Prime Minister Bhutto? Indira Ghandi? Throughout history the list is pretty long. They all seemed pretty capable of dealing with PMS to me.

Oh yeah, lets not forget Peron-but she may have consistently fallen prone to it. ;-)>

225 funky chicken  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:08:57pm

Halloween costume idea: squirrel suits, and have the kids paint "I can haz ACORNS" on white pillowcases?

[Link: www.10tv.com...]

breathtaking doublespeak by the politicians in the article, but I love the squirrel.

226 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:09:08pm

re: #207 Nevergiveup

Yeah. If nothing else, McCain should serve as an object lesson in how not to run for President. And an arguement against unilateral disarmament of any kind.

227 joncelli  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:09:14pm

re: #220 Jamie

McCain is screwed if he loses VA. Forget OH -- if he loses VA, the night is over for him.

228 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:09:59pm

re: #219 Scion9

Yeah. I have had similar experiences on campus. Math and science guys tend to gravitate towards Conservatism. The exception being, at least anecdotally, that pre-meds tend to be liberal.

Heh. And my campus was 80-90% engineering, math, and science guys (and gals). We had two political parties on campus: Republican and Libertarian.

229 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:10:01pm

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

The one thing you can be sure of were Nancy Pelosi to (shudder) become President is that, in a confrontation with an adversary, she would blink first.

Many times.

How are you gonna tell if she is blinking when she is wearing that Hijab over her/

230 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:10:11pm

Uh, are you deliberately trying to misinterpret basic sentences to rile people up on an irrational basis against Obama and the "media"? The headline is clearly not implying in any way that Obama will be "heir to Reaganomics" or that Obama's economic policies are like Reagan's or that Obama is claiming anything like that. The headline is perfectly fine headline for the news it reports, of Obama's clever little "update" of Reagan's famous line.

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

231 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:10:37pm

Did I hear correctly ...... FOX just said MEchelle's role in the white house would be to help relations with miltary families .......... WTF .......

232 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:10:58pm

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

In a country where the government can mandate what light bulbs you are permitted to buy and run with your own money, I can readily foresee laws which--for similar "green" purposes--allocate how much space a person is permitted to claim for themselves, even if they are willing and able to pay for more.

They are already talking about monitored thermostats.

233 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:10:59pm

re: #211 looking closely

Powell is voting for the color of Obama's skin, not the content of his character. If he were white, we'd call it racism.

234 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:08pm

re: #200 Who Watches the Watchmen?

IT CAN BE ELEKSHUN TIEM NOW PLZ?

I'd love to post the days/hours/mnutes/seconds until the time the polls open in California but, two much math.

235 Scion9  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:17pm

re: #216 cblesz

Look...if mcCain wanted this job...NOTHING would be off the table. I would have a 24-7 loop of Wright's comments and how Obama only threw him under the bus when it was politically expedient. Enough is enough...I would follow with the Fannie/Freddie mess, etc.

If they go after Wright, they again need to go after the ideology and not just the association. Saying 'racist church' in an ad will not resonate as well as 'Any God that loves whites, must be murdered' will, and that is from the man that Wright himself told us to go read up on, to allay our fears over his Church. They never should have considered Wright off-limits. It is so incredibly relevant, and incredibly damaging because obviously the Obama campaign never had a handle on dealing with the man himself.

236 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:27pm

re: #227 joncelli

McCain is screwed if he loses VA. Forget OH -- if he loses VA, the night is over for him.

And us.

237 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:29pm

too, dagnabit

238 El Lizardo mejicano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:37pm

re: #225 funky chicken

Halloween costume idea: squirrel suits, and have the kids paint "I can haz ACORNS" on white pillowcases?

[Link: www.10tv.com...]

breathtaking doublespeak by the politicians in the article, but I love the squirrel.

This one is pretty funny

239 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:52pm

We ought to get a pool started...if Obambi does get elected...what are the odds that he puts his hand on the bible and states, I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama..."

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:11:57pm

re: #237 MandyManners

two was better.

241 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:01pm

re: #231 JacksonTn

Did I hear correctly ...... FOX just said MEchelle's role in the white house would be to help relations with miltary families .......... WTF .......

Put me down for opting out of that one!

242 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:02pm

So which is it? The MSM loves Reaganomics and Obama is a Reaganite? Or Reaganomics is "trickle-down" injustice and Obama is the antidote?

243 funky chicken  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:10pm

re: #220 Jamie

You might want to stock up on lube (holy smokes).

Sweet Jesus, the same guy who was screaming about VA over at Ace's place. Begone creep.

I'll trade VA for PA any day, thanks so much.

244 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:32pm

Signs of Easing Credit and Talk of Stimulus Buoy Stocks; Dow Gains About 4.6 Percent.

Great Depression II averted again; wait for the inevitable reports that it's still lurking around the corner...

245 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

Please define "Reaganomics" and explain why it belongs down the toilet.

246 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:50pm

re: #239 cblesz

We ought to get a pool started...if Obambi does get elected...what are the odds that he puts his hand on the bible and states, I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama..."

If he does he will be ....... a RACIST ........

247 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:12:54pm

re: #193 JacksonTn

Catholics getting in gear ...... not sure I have seen them this active before .....they been bringing it on at my parish .......

[Link: www.priestsforlife.org...]

I've met Fr. Pavone on a couple of occasions, and a friend of ours used to work for him.

Here in Dallas, the bishops of the Dallas diocese and the Ft. Worth diocese jointly published a statement on Catholics voting in accordance with church teaching. which caused a lot of heartburn for pro-abort Catholics here (there were even picketers in front of the chancery in Dallas last Tuesday).

We were at the vigil Mass on Saturday evening, and our priest (who we suspect is really a liberal) spoke about it (he only read an excerpt, not the whole thing), and then took questions. The only question was from an old battleaxe who started going on about comparing "one candidate who's anti-abortion, but pro-death penalty, and pro-war, pro-war-for-profit" with one who's pro-choice, but for ending war", blah, blah, blah.

248 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:07pm

re: #239 cblesz

We ought to get a pool started...if Obambi does get elected...what are the odds that he puts his hand on the bible and states, I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama..."

Bible?

Surely you jest...

249 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:14pm
250 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:15pm

re: #244 lawhawk

Signs of Easing Credit and Talk of Stimulus Buoy Stocks; Dow Gains About 4.6 Percent.

Great Depression II averted again; wait for the inevitable reports that it's still lurking around the corner...

It will be lurking around the corner till Nov. 5th

251 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:17pm

Wretchard (Richard Fernandez) at PJM has two threads on Colin Powell's financial interest in Obama and the radical enviornmental lobby.

God's Green Earth.

252 WitchDoctor  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:22pm

re: #105 Crusty

"If Reagan were alive today he'd never stop slapping that sonuvabitch."

BWAHAHAHA!

253 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:26pm

re: #239 cblesz

We ought to get a pool started...if Obambi does get elected...what are the odds that he puts his hand on the bible and states, I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama..."

Bible?

254 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:44pm

re: #248 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Bible?

Surely you jest...


OK, OK...the Kuran...

255 Outrider  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:45pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Uh, are you deliberately trying to misinterpret basic sentences to rile people up on an irrational basis against Obama and the "media"? The headline is clearly not implying in any way that Obama will be "heir to Reaganomics" or that Obama's economic policies are like Reagan's or that Obama is claiming anything like that. The headline is perfectly fine headline for the news it reports, of Obama's clever little "update" of Reagan's famous line.

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

Damn skippy! Let the government collect most of the bucks and spend it in a far wiser manner than we are capable of. Why should a free market be responsible for allowing money to spread throughout the economy?
After all, there is only a certain amount of wealth and if the rich guys have it all, then nobody else can have any.
Do I need to?

256 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:13:45pm

re: #232 Silhouette

They are already talking about monitored thermostats.

Somebody is already designing a monitored thermostat override for sale on the black market.

257 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:03pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Yeah, we can't have cracker white trash making it out of their trailer parks, can we? All of that so-called Progress that we've had for the last 25 years was so terrible, wasn't it?

258 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:07pm
259 Outrider  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:16pm

re: #234 MandyManners

I'd love to post the days/hours/mnutes/seconds until the time the polls open in California but, two much math.

download one of those countdown clocks from google

260 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:18pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

...And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

That sentiment is exactly what Obama and his ilk are about. That's why you are so detested by those who know you and your kind.

261 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:26pm

re: #256 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Somebody is already designing a monitored thermostat override for sale on the black market.

It's called a hammer

262 Granite Eagle  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:14:43pm
Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

That would be the unadulterated truth in this political season.

Libbies create so many premises that are simply not true.......then they use the old media to further those premises...........

263 MadJadBad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:15:10pm

The Republicans knew years ago that the main strategy of the Democrats would be to link the Republican candidate to Bush. They should be emphasizing that both candidates are currently Senators and compare and contrast their time in the Senate.

264 PAgirlinNC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:15:21pm

re: #180 arethusa

Tapper says McCain will attack on Biden's comments this afternoon.

BTW, Tapper's lead story is that the McCain campaign is reconsidering using Wright against Obama.

No one get too excited, though...

I hope so. After this weekend's NYT times hit piece on Cindy McCain and the fact that the reporter tried to use teenagers to get dirt and Obama didn't come out and denounce them and say again that "families are off limits", it definitely should be an issue. In fact - as I've said before - McCain needs to do a commercial showing ALL of Obama's sketchy relationships, from Frank Marshall Davis to Ayers to Wright to Pflegler to Rezko to well, this list goes on and on.

265 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:15:21pm

Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama has put him at odds with his own son, former Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Michael Powell.

Go figure. Press? Anyone? Anyone out there in the media?

Colin Powell's son also works for McCain's campaign.

266 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:15:24pm

re: #254 cblesz

OK, OK...the Kuran...

I was thinking Obama would use The Communist Manifesto.

267 Soona'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:15:28pm

re: #219 Scion9

Yeah. I have had similar experiences on campus. Math and science guys tend to gravitate towards Conservatism. The exception being, at least anecdotally, that pre-meds tend to be liberal.

Well of course pre-med students are liberal. They're out to heal the world of all disease and pestulance.....until they graduate and find out how much Uncle Sugar is taking out in taxes and what the tort laws are costing them in malpractice insurance.

268 hermit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:16:11pm

re: #247 Ward Cleaver

You know what you call a Catholic who believes in abortion, don't you?

A protestant.

269 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:16:43pm

Of course, the subliminal link with The One and the Gipper goes against their story now that being governor is not sufficient experience for the White House.

Because, you know, governors do all that state stuff whilst Important Senators deal with National Matters and therefore International Matters.

Not that I expect their distaste for governors to last a second past the next time a Dem governor runs.

270 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:16:52pm

re: #268 hermit

You know what you call a Catholic who believes in abortion, don't you?

A protestant.

I thought you call it a Coumo?

271 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:17:49pm

re: #231 JacksonTn

Did I hear correctly ...... FOX just said MEchelle's role in the white house would be to help relations with miltary families .......... WTF .......

Solves so many problems for Obama, same reason they push Gays in the military. The left is puritanical, they don't care for the gays but they want to destroy the military. That is because in their fevered imaginations the military officer corp represents a threat. So Michelle becomes a presence and every malcontent with an agenda is encouraged. When three quarters of the regular officers quit Obama's people will feel they have made the world safe from America.

272 mayor of imaginationland  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:18:25pm

I was going for the irony of being told by libs that only morons vote Republican, yet the smartest, hardest working people on campus, tend to be Republicans. But then again, I did say hardest working so it figures

273 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:19:28pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Shaddap!

274 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:20:10pm

OT
When I open LGF, Flash 9 Player is crashing IE 6.0, Windows XP. Had to disable it.

275 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:20:28pm

re: #256 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Somebody is already designing a monitored thermostat override for sale on the black market.

Psst, buddy. I got ever-ting youse need, right here.

I gots your thermostat monitor overrides. I gots your incandescent bulbs. I gots your transfatty doughnuts. I gots bootleg copies of de Constitution, 'fore de changes.

276 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:20:33pm

re: #271 lifeofthemind

Solves so many problems for Obama, same reason they push Gays in the military. The left is puritanical, they don't care for the gays but they want to destroy the military. That is because in their fevered imaginations the military officer corp represents a threat. So Michelle becomes a presence and every malcontent with an agenda is encouraged. When three quarters of the regular officers quit Obama's people will feel they have made the world safe from America.

It ain't a civilian job. They can't just up and quit.

277 Vergeltung  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:20:37pm

re: #268 hermit

You know what you call a Catholic who believes in abortion, don't you?
A protestant.

yeah but the "Catholics" that support right to kill are just deluding themselves. they'll never admit it. they just want buffet-style Catholocism.

no workie that way. ;)

278 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Uh, are you deliberately trying to misinterpret basic sentences to rile people up on an irrational basis against Obama and the "media"? The headline is clearly not implying in any way that Obama will be "heir to Reaganomics" or that Obama's economic policies are like Reagan's or that Obama is claiming anything like that. The headline is perfectly fine headline for the news it reports, of Obama's clever little "update" of Reagan's famous line.

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

You mean clever like you dipshit?

279 TMF  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:05pm

Yeah, the Dems are more Reagan like than reagan

I noticed all the local dems running, just like Obama, are running ads on TV selling themselves as pork reducing, tax cutting small government conservatives.

Up is down, down is up, etc.

They believe PT Barnums adage, clearly, and they would be correct.

280 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:13pm

re: #275 Silhouette

Psst, buddy. I got ever-ting youse need, right here.

I gots your thermostat monitor overrides. I gots your incandescent bulbs. I gots your transfatty doughnuts. I gots bootleg copies of de Constitution, 'fore de changes.

And don't forget tiolets that really flush!

281 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:23pm

re: #125 RickZ

I would love to hear Schwartzkoff's thoughts on his former boss.

IIRC, Schwarzkopf made his feelings about Colin Powell very plain in his book (which I have not read). That is, Schwarzkopf thought stopping the war without destroying Saddam's Republican Guard was a very foolish thing to do.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:25pm

re: #273 Ward Cleaver

What he said...

283 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:32pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Uh, are you deliberately trying to misinterpret basic sentences to rile people up on an irrational basis against Obama and the "media"? The headline is clearly not implying in any way that Obama will be "heir to Reaganomics" or that Obama's economic policies are like Reagan's or that Obama is claiming anything like that. The headline is perfectly fine headline for the news it reports, of Obama's clever little "update" of Reagan's famous line.

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.



/Whistles to himself...

284 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:21:51pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Yes, let's flush that evil free market idea down the toilet, work hard for the Collective, suppress individual initiative, and we can climb up the ranks within the collective and gain the right to shop at the "Special" stores set aside for the Heroes of the revolution.
Onward Comrade!

/yes, you are

285 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:22:10pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

One of the Obamanoids in my synagogue told me--with intense anger--just after the Palin nomination was announced, that "McCain was going to have an affair with her."

Lunacy.

And we allow these peole to vote.

286 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:22:11pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What he said...

I hereby christen him, "nodroG II".

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:23:11pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT TO SHOW UP ON YOUTUBE FOREVER! HOT DOG! MAKE NOTE EVERYONE. TROLL HAMMER ASSIST!

288 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:23:25pm

re: #267 Soona'

Well of course pre-med students are liberal. They're out to heal the world of all disease and pestulance.....until they graduate and find out how much Uncle Sugar is taking out in taxes and what the tort laws are costing them in malpractice insurance.

Gf is a graduate NP student at Emory Univ. (Atlanta). The Liberals have completely stacked the Admin. and they preach endlessly about Socialized Medicine® (I refer to it as WelfareCare®) and how great "it is going to be."

They offer no alternative ideas and they punish any student who is argues alternative points. It's really sad to watch.

Pathetic actually.

One of her instructors (true story from this semester) actually started crying in front of the class and said that the students were "hateful" (and then left class half-way through) when confronted with facts by the students (God, bless them) showing that Socialized Healthcare lowers health standards in nations that have implemented it. This woman acutally had the nerve to return the next day and lecture them on "tolerance" and "respect."

I. Was. Floored.

...and then I laughed so hard.

...Mamas, don't let your children grow up to attend Emory... :)

289 HBob  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:24:00pm

Looks like Powell sticking his nose up Obama's backside to avoid war crimes persecution under an Obama presidency has paid off. And very quickly.

290 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:24:30pm

re: #243 funky chicken

Sweet Jesus, the same guy who was screaming about VA over at Ace's place. Begone creep.

I'll trade VA for PA any day, thanks so much.

I've never posted at Ace's blog.

And at this point, PA is only slightly more winnable for McCain than Rhode Island. McCain would love to make that trade you're suggesting, but no one who's been paying attention would take the concept seriously.

291 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:24:55pm

re: #233 Iron Fist

Powell is voting for the color of Obama's skin, not the content of his character. If he were white, we'd call it racism.


If I believed this were racism, I'd call it regardless of Powell's skin color.

I prefer to think of this as "identity politics", where a member of a given group prefers to vote for another member of that group.

You can argue the legitimacy of doing this, but clearly its a different thing than racism.

For example, I may vote for Senator Patrick O'Brien because I am Irish Catholic, and believe that as a fellow Irish Catholic, Senator O'Brien will be better represent my worldview, and treat my group better.

That's a totally different thing than voting for Senator O'Blacky because I hate Senator Whiteskin, and his albino friends, and I'll be damned if I live to see the day when a bleached cracker like him inhabits the Black House.

292 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:24:59pm

re: #285 unreconstructed rebel

And we allow these peole to vote.

"One of the Obamanoids in my synagogue told me--with intense anger--just after the Palin nomination was announced, that "McCain was going to have an affair with her.""

We call that a combination of wishful thinking and transference.

293 mayor of imaginationland  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:25:10pm

I loved "Mars Attacks"

294 CapeCoddah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #213 pat

What fool would vote for a man that guaranty's collapse of the banking system?

The fools who do not understand how our economy works. Not even a basic grasp, which is really all you need to make an intelligent and responsible decision as a voter. Fools who do not take the time to do a little research, figure it out, they prefer to get their take on the news from, say,Rosie, because they really liked her movies and her show. She was cool. She must know what she is talking about. It really is not rocket science to understand the basics. Those who do not understand, think the money should be taken from the "rich", because it would make it "fair", with no understanding of what the consequences would be for implementing such policies, not that they care, because the have no intention of working at all if it can be avoided.

295 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:25:33pm

re: #268 hermit

You know what you call a Catholic who believes in abortion, don't you?

A protestant.

They's whole bunches of us protestants who would take issue with that.

296 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:25:34pm

re: #276 Nevergiveup

It ain't a civilian job. They can't just up and quit.

Sure they can. Academy grads have a five year commitment, ROTC a four year, OCS less. Bottom line any officer of the rank of O-3 (Army/AF Captain, Navy Lieutenant) can put in papers. So Obama will clean out the senior ranks except for toadies like Weasley Clark. More to the point any officer who wants out gets out and Obama will discourage most diserable young people from getting in. The cansequences will be devestating and last for decades. THink of it as similar to his impact on the SCOTUS.

297 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:25:58pm

re: #279 TMF


Yeah, if you listen only to Obama's rhetoric, you'd think that he was a Republican. You'd think that Conservatism has won. Obama goes to great lengths to claim he isn't a L³iberal.

Too bad his voting records show that he is.

He is also a failure, as a President. An Obama Administration will tank this country, not only economically, butin terms of real military power and prestige in the world. The "Death to America" crowd will love him.

The resto of us will simply hope to survive it. Worst President, ever.

298 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:26:40pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

It's not the Great Depression. It's just the Great Pothole.

Hey, watch how you fill those potholes. Gotta fill 'em with eco-friendly goo, and not the standard issue poison goo.

299 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:26:51pm

re: #281 Son of the Black Dog

IIRC, Schwarzkopf made his feelings about Colin Powell very plain in his book (which I have not read). That is, Schwarzkopf thought stopping the war without destroying Saddam's Republican Guard was a very foolish thing to do.

Was that Powell's call or Pres. Bush's call?

300 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:27:01pm

re: #263 MadJadBad

The Republicans knew years ago that the main strategy of the Democrats would be to link the Republican candidate to Bush. They should be emphasizing that both candidates are currently Senators and compare and contrast their time in the Senate.


McCain has done that.

He's gone out of his way during all three of the debates (especially the last one) to point out contrasts between him and the Bush administration.

McCain would be smarter to tie Obama directly to the current Congress, where he has sided with the Democrat majority more often than McCain has sided with the Republican minority, and which actually enjoys a LOWER approval rating than Bush.

301 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:27:06pm

re: #297 Iron Fist

The only way for a Dem to win is to run as a Conservative.

This has always struck me. If you can't go in front of a crowd and be honest; why run in the first place?

/it's a rhetorical question

302 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:27:32pm

re: #289 HBob

Looks like Powell sticking his nose up Obama's backside to avoid war crimes persecution under an Obama presidency has paid off. And very quickly.

Let us not forget that Gen. Powell is an American hero. Obliviously a very confused American hero, but an American hero.

303 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:27:58pm

re: #290 Jamie

I've never posted at Ace's blog.

And at this point, PA is only slightly more winnable for McCain than Rhode Island. McCain would love to make that trade you're suggesting, but no one who's been paying attention would take the concept seriously.

PA is winnibale for Johnny Mac. There is a heavy Catholic population that is hardly enamored with BHO and - according to congressman Murtha - the state is full of racists!

304 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:28:00pm

re: #296 lifeofthemind

Sure they can. Academy grads have a five year commitment, ROTC a four year, OCS less. Bottom line any officer of the rank of O-3 (Army/AF Captain, Navy Lieutenant) can put in papers. So Obama will clean out the senior ranks except for toadies like Weasley Clark. More to the point any officer who wants out gets out and Obama will discourage most diserable young people from getting in. The cansequences will be devestating and last for decades. THink of it as similar to his impact on the SCOTUS.

Yeah, but a fair amount of us have signed on the bottom line and and still have a commitment!

305 runrabbitrun  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:28:05pm

re: #211 looking closely

As to Powell serving in an Obama administration, color me shocked on that one. I posted here that Powell was angling for a cushy Obama administration job last week, and its about the only explanation for his endorsement that makes sense.

Powell is a spineless, gutless wonder. His endorsement proves the aimless political wanderings of an unprincipled spirit.

Turncoat Powell whines that he was ill-informed and used by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war. Wait'll he sees how he's being set up and used now, in service to a shameful socialist Obamanation, with Russia and Iran on the ascendant, causing global mayhem.

Wonder which philosophical direction Colin the human plastic beanie propeller will spin toward in a couple of years, when Powell realizes he's been duped, and left with any hope of a legacy as noble statesman circling the drain.

306 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:28:38pm

re: #297 Iron Fist

He is also a failure, as a President. An Obama Administration will tank this country, not only economically, butin terms of real military power and prestige in the world. The "Death to America" crowd will love him.

The resto of us will simply hope to survive it. Worst President, ever.

You know, the election isn't over yet. The numbers look bad for McCain, but I'm not quite ready to register judgment on how the Obama presidency was when there is an election in fifteen days.

307 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:28:41pm

re: #299 MandyManners

Was that Powell's call or Pres. Bush's call?

Powell's and we would not be back in Iraq if not for Powell...

308 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:07pm
309 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:07pm

Mr. Sandman:

Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 34
No. of links posted: 0

Responding to Mr. Sandman is a waste of time. It drops a turn every few weeks and leaves the area. Recommend GAZE treatment.

310 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:12pm

re: #307 cblesz

Powell's and we would not be back in Iraq if not for Powell...

Amen!

311 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:36pm

#309--- turn=turd.

312 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:41pm

re: #230 Mr. SandmanYou forgot your sarcasm tag or you are barking mad.

313 talon_262  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:44pm

NObama: Pretender to RWR's "throne"....

/retch at the thought

314 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:29:50pm

re: #309 Meremortal

Ditto that.

315 Steffan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:12pm

The Cato Institute has issued a report cardon the fiscal policies of state governors. They graded 46 states.

Three governors were awarded an "A" in this report card – Charlie Crist of Florida, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Eight governors were awarded an "F" – Martin O'Malley of Maryland, Ted Kulongoski of Oregon, Rod Blagojevich of Illinois, Chet Culver of Iowa, Jon Corzine of New Jersey, Bob Riley of Alabama, Jodi Rell of Connecticut, and C. L. "Butch" Otter of Idaho.

Ahnuld got a C. They didn't grade Palin.

316 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:14pm

re: #312 pingjockey

You forgot your sarcasm tag or you are barking mad.

It's the latter.

317 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:20pm

re: #307 cblesz

Powell's and we would not be back in Iraq if not for Powell...

No. It was Pres. Bush's call. He was the boss. He could've opted to go to Baghdad.

318 Crusty  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:50pm

re: #116 Silhouette

Come now. They're both carbon-based bipeds.

I thought Obama was made out of pure light!

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:54pm

I think I'm officially done trying to like Palin......
Video: Palin supports Federal Marriage Amendment

This is the exact thing that conservatives need to give up. Do they really want to be responsible for the first constitutional amendment that limits rights for a segment of the population instead of protecting their freedom. People can be for or against gay marriage but to amend the constitution to prevent gay marriage is over the top for me. I've never been very impressed with her and I'm rapidly starting to dislike her.

320 TMF  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:54pm

Fortunately for us, Obama has a tendency to occasionally unwittingly reveal who he really is.

Thanks Joe the Plumber!

On the downside, it will take a herculean effort to get the message out to the average "undecided" schmuck

321 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:30:58pm

re: #309 Meremortal

Mr. Sandman:

Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 34
No. of links posted: 0

Responding to Mr. Sandman is a waste of time. It drops a turn every few weeks and leaves the area. Recommend GAZE treatment.

Is that turd back?

322 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:31:17pm

re: #312 pingjockey

You forgot your sarcasm tag or you are barking mad.

He is barking mad ......

323 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:31:18pm

re: #288 Noam Chumpski

Gf is a graduate NP student at Emory Univ. (Atlanta). The Liberals have completely stacked the Admin. and they preach endlessly about Socialized Medicine® (I refer to it as WelfareCare®) and how great "it is going to be."

They offer no alternative ideas and they punish any student who is argues alternative points. It's really sad to watch.

Pathetic actually.

One of her instructors (true story from this semester) actually started crying in front of the class and said that the students were "hateful" (and then left class half-way through) when confronted with facts by the students (God, bless them) showing that Socialized Healthcare lowers health standards in nations that have implemented it. This woman acutally had the nerve to return the next day and lecture them on "tolerance" and "respect."

I. Was. Floored.

...and then I laughed so hard.

...Mamas, don't let your children grow up to attend Emory to be liberals... :)

324 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:31:39pm

re: #317 MandyManners

No. It was Pres. Bush's call. He was the boss. He could've opted to go to Baghdad.

But Maggie had already flown home and was not there to provide requisite backbone?

325 cblesz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:31:48pm

re: #317 MandyManners

No. It was Pres. Bush's call. He was the boss. He could've opted to go to Baghdad.

Semantics, but Powell was in charge of the military operation and Pres Bush, as he should took the advice from his military commanders.

326 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:31:54pm

re: #291 looking closely

If I believed this were racism, I'd call it regardless of Powell's skin color.

I prefer to think of this as "identity politics", where a member of a given group prefers to vote for another member of that group.

You can argue the legitimacy of doing this, but clearly its a different thing than racism.

For example, I may vote for Senator Patrick O'Brien because I am Irish Catholic, and believe that as a fellow Irish Catholic, Senator O'Brien will be better represent my worldview, and treat my group better.

That's a totally different thing than voting for Senator O'Blacky because I hate Senator Whiteskin, and his albino friends, and I'll be damned if I live to see the day when a bleached cracker like him inhabits the Black House.

I'm not sure I agree with your analysis but your presentation is hilarious. +1

327 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:04pm

re: #289 HBob

Looks like Powell sticking his nose up Obama's backside to avoid war crimes persecution under an Obama presidency has paid off. And very quickly.

You are saying that Obama has loyalty and there is no reason to believe that to be true. Remember, he said that he could no longer disown Rev. Wright than he could disown his grand-ma....two days later, the Reve was under the bus.

War crime trials are just plan idiocy anyway.

328 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #306 Jamie

I'm preemptively criticizing the Obama Administration. We need to be on the attack from Day 1 if he wins. That will be the only way we may be able to advert the worst that Obama wants to do. I'm very worried about a filibuster-proof Senate. Two years of virtual dictatorship from the Left, especially the Left as it is represented by Obama, may be more than the Republic can stand.

329 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #305 runrabbitrun


Turncoat Powell whines that he was ill-informed and used by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war.


If he believes that, or even if he just says it, he's conceding that he is unfit to hold a high-level job in a Presidential administration.

To wit: "I'm a clueness buffoon who got used by the President, please give me another job in another Presidential administration".

That is some pretty weak excuse making and convoluted logic. I'd have tons more respect for Powell if he simply admitted he was wrong, in part or in whole.

330 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:21pm

re: #312 pingjockey

You forgot your sarcasm tag or you are barking mad.

I vote for barking mad.

331 Soona'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:42pm

re: #288 Noam Chumpski

Gf is a graduate NP student at Emory Univ. (Atlanta). The Liberals have completely stacked the Admin. and they preach endlessly about Socialized Medicine® (I refer to it as WelfareCare®) and how great "it is going to be."

They offer no alternative ideas and they punish any student who is argues alternative points. It's really sad to watch.

Pathetic actually.

One of her instructors (true story from this semester) actually started crying in front of the class and said that the students were "hateful" (and then left class half-way through) when confronted with facts by the students (God, bless them) showing that Socialized Healthcare lowers health standards in nations that have implemented it. This woman acutally had the nerve to return the next day and lecture them on "tolerance" and "respect."

I. Was. Floored.

...and then I laughed so hard.

...Mamas, don't let your children grow up to attend Emory... :)

I'm hoping like hell that this is a growing attitude of students in college today. I've heard snippets of such thinking on conservative talk shows, but I wonder if it is as widespread as my wishful side wants it to be.

332 Vergeltung  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:32:49pm

re: #325 cblesz

Semantics, but Powell was in charge of the military operation and Pres Bush, as he should took the advice from his military commanders.

the decision to stop at the border in the first gulf war was a geo-political decision, not a military one.

333 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:33:18pm

re: #307 cblesz

Powell's and we would not be back in Iraq if not for Powell...

That's a bit unfair. He had no orders.

But ... I do recall that everyone got the heeby-jeebies after the pictures of the slaughter on the retreat highway came out.

Going to war requires a strong stomach.

334 Adina in Judea  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:33:40pm

An American couple I know through work recently sold their home (as they had been planning to do for some time) but they have moved into an apartment now because they won't commit to buying a new home until they find out who will be in the White House next year.

They make $180,000 between them and their cars are both paid off. They pay their credit cards down to $0 each month and they have enough money to put 20-30% down on a half a million dollar home. They also have perfect credit.

They won't commit to a house with Obama in the Oval Office because they believe that his administration would be hostile to people who have decent jobs and good credit. They don't know where they might end up after he has damaged the economy further and they want to be able to move whenever it becomes necessary.

If McCain is elected, they will go right out and find a nice house to buy.

They aren't deliberately trying to help tank the economy, but they don't feel confident that a commitment to a house is a good idea under Obama (if they aren't already in one, which they aren't.) They're willing to live in an apartment and they're prepared to support themselves for years on their small expenses if there is a depression.

It might sound severe, but I don't blame them. If things go to hell under Obama, they have to take care of themselves. They're prepared to take in relatives in their apartment, too, if needed.

What socialists like Obama don't understand is that a lot of the economy depends on people feeling confident that they can spend and invest their money without the kind of risk that Obama's socialist agenda would bring.

He thinks that the everything else would stay exactly the same while he takes money from one large group of people and sends it in checks to another group of people. It won't work if the people whose money is being stolen in this way don't feel they can afford to take what used to be reasonable risks anymore.

Europe and the world want America to be more like Europe, but the truth is that they need America to be America. Europe's economy goes to hell when America's does, too. Everyone's economy goes to hell.

Turning America into NON-America will send the world into chaos and a depression that will last a long time. Obama would do this and blame everyone else for it, but consumers like the couple I've described here know better and they are preparing for the worst so that they can survive him if he's elected.

335 hermeneutics  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:33:52pm

re: #247 Ward Cleaver

We need the bishops in PA, OH, MI and NM to give that same message ... but are they?

336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:33:58pm

re: #302 unrealizedviewpoint

Let us not forget that Gen. Powell is an American hero. Obliviously a very confused American hero, but an American hero.

Exactly how is he a hero?

337 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:34:42pm

re: #330 Ward Cleaver
Barking mad seems to be running away with the nomination!

338 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:35:04pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

339 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:35:17pm

re: #335 hermeneutics

We need the bishops in PA, OH, MI and NM to give that same message ... but are they?

The Big Guy told them to ........ so I am pretty sure they will ......

340 talon_262  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:35:38pm

re: #302 unrealizedviewpoint

Let us not forget that Gen. Powell is an American hero. Obliviously a very confused American hero, but an American hero.

I admire him for his service, but as I stated in a thread a couple of days ago, there were indications of his political leanings when he was on the Joint Chiefs and got worse when he was appointed SecState. Once at Foggy Bottom, he totally went over the liberal cliff...it's as though someone switched his brain with Folger's crysals and hoped people wouldn't notice.

341 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:35:44pm

re: #324 Nevergiveup

But Maggie had already flown home and was not there to provide requisite backbone?

Mr. Wobbly?

342 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:35:49pm

re: #317 MandyManners

No. It was Pres. Bush's call. He was the boss. He could've opted to go to Baghdad.

+
Right Mandy. My understanding is that Bush 41 made deals with France and others to not take down Saddam (but only kick him out of Kuwait) in exchange for that big coalition of 42 countries that signed on.

Bush 43, accused of "going it alone" only had 33 countries actually put troops on the ground in Iraq. But he didn't have France, so he had nothing, according to his detractors.

343 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:02pm

re: #338 Iron Fist

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat--i guess that's one way of putting it?

344 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:10pm

re: #338 Iron Fist

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

It would have been a more effective argument if you used different imagery, but I get what you are saying.

345 Steffan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #317 MandyManners

No. It was Pres. Bush's call. He was the boss. He could've opted to go to Baghdad.

Powell was HW's senior military advisor (the Joint Chiefs are not in the chain of command). HW would have -- did -- act on Powell's advice.

346 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:17pm

re: #325 cblesz

Semantics, but Powell was in charge of the military operation and Pres Bush, as he should took the advice from his military commanders.

Still, the buck stops at the desk in the Oval Office.

347 Vergeltung  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:38pm

re: #338 Iron Fist

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

that is the real issue here. it's nothing but a blowback (no pun intended) from regular folks who are tired of having this crap stuffed in their face all the time. in the schools, with young kids, it's freakin' enough already!

348 hermeneutics  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:46pm

re: #268 hermit

You know what you call a Catholic who believes in abortion, don't you?

A protestant.

Sorry. A Catholic who believes in abortion is either a lapsed (liberal) Catholic or a very, very liberal Protestant.

349 Soona'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:47pm

re: #325 cblesz

Semantics, but Powell was in charge of the military operation and Pres Bush, as he should took the advice from his military commanders.

Powell was the CoS. He commanded no one.

350 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:36:50pm

re: #312 pingjockey

You forgot your sarcasm tag or you are barking mad.

Bat-shit crazy.

351 Max Darkside  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:05pm

re: #280 Nevergiveup

And don't forget tiolets that really flush!

And showers that do more than spray mist.

352 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:06pm

Nap time. If I see Sandman I'll WHACK him with a clue by four.

353 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:13pm

re: #342 Meremortal

+
Right Mandy. My understanding is that Bush 41 made deals with France and others to not take down Saddam (but only kick him out of Kuwait) in exchange for that big coalition of 42 countries that signed on.
Bush 43, accused of "going it alone" only had 33 countries actually put troops on the ground in Iraq. But he didn't have France, so he had nothing, according to his detractors.

He served up Israel in Madrid to get that coalition.

354 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:19pm

re: #321 MandyManners

Is that turd back?

Si, senora, the odor is upstream and wafting.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:40pm

re: #321 MandyManners

Is that turd back?

At least until he sees that you've noticed him...

356 stuiec  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:46pm

re: #291 looking closely

If I believed this were racism, I'd call it regardless of Powell's skin color.

I prefer to think of this as "identity politics", where a member of a given group prefers to vote for another member of that group.

You can argue the legitimacy of doing this, but clearly its a different thing than racism.

For example, I may vote for Senator Patrick O'Brien because I am Irish Catholic, and believe that as a fellow Irish Catholic, Senator O'Brien will be better represent my worldview, and treat my group better.

That's a totally different thing than voting for Senator O'Blacky because I hate Senator Whiteskin, and his albino friends, and I'll be damned if I live to see the day when a bleached cracker like him inhabits the Black House.

Look at it not from Powell's perspective, but from the Obama campaign's.

They've already declared that any white Democrats who vote for McCain are only doing so because they're racist. It can't possibly be because of Obama's hard left policies, the anti-democratic conduct of the Democratic primaries, or any other issues -- nope, gotta be racism.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Identity politics tends to reinforce and facilitate racism.

357 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:56pm

re: #288 Noam Chumpski

Gf is a graduate NP student at Emory Univ. (Atlanta). The Liberals have completely stacked the Admin. and they preach endlessly about Socialized Medicine® (I refer to it as WelfareCare®) and how great "it is going to be."
:)


Well, you've got the double-hit there of nurses (who are often liberal) AND academics. . .who are more liberal.

And on a very simple level, if you futher de-value physicians in a socialized medicine system, you elevate the level of "pseudo-doctors" like Nurse Practitioners and Physician assistants.

358 pingjockey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:58pm

re: #350 MandyManners
That works too. Split shift tonite so I'm off to bed. Later all.

359 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:37:59pm

re: #342 Meremortal

+
Right Mandy. My understanding is that Bush 41 made deals with France and others to not take down Saddam (but only kick him out of Kuwait) in exchange for that big coalition of 42 countries that signed on.

Bush 43, accused of "going it alone" only had 33 countries actually put troops on the ground in Iraq. But he didn't have France, so he had nothing, according to his detractors.

Mais oui!

360 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:38:45pm

re: #353 Ben Hur

He served up Israel in Madrid to get that coalition.

Yeah, but Shamir was so glad to be there? Just watching Shamir's reactions were worth watching?

361 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:04pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I think I'm officially done trying to like Palin......
Video: Palin supports Federal Marriage Amendment

This is the exact thing that conservatives need to give up. Do they really want to be responsible for the first constitutional amendment that limits rights for a segment of the population instead of protecting their freedom. People can be for or against gay marriage but to amend the constitution to prevent gay marriage is over the top for me. I've never been very impressed with her and I'm rapidly starting to dislike her.

Not only that, between the economy, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, who gives a flying fuck about gay marriage? They wanna marry? Fine. Now they get to have in-laws like the rest of us.

Seriously, the ability to focus on the unimportant is a hallmark of the American political system.

362 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:12pm

re: #328 Iron Fist

I'm preemptively criticizing the Obama Administration. We need to be on the attack from Day 1 if he wins. That will be the only way we may be able to advert the worst that Obama wants to do. I'm very worried about a filibuster-proof Senate. Two years of virtual dictatorship from the Left, especially the Left as it is represented by Obama, may be more than the Republic can stand.

+
Indeed. Let's give Obama every chance the Left gave George W. Bush.

363 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:14pm

re: #360 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but Shamir was so glad to be there? Just watching Shamir's reactions were worth watching?


I'm pretty sure that was the last place he wanted to be.

364 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:19pm

re: #239 cblesz

We ought to get a pool started...if Obambi does get elected...what are the odds that he puts his hand on the bible and states, I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama..."

100% He has to...

365 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:24pm

re: #345 Steffan

Powell was HW's senior military advisor (the Joint Chiefs are not in the chain of command). HW would have -- did -- act on Powell's advice.

But, no one forced him to do so. He was still free to make another decision.

Didn't the Saudis want the war ended as soon as Hussein was out of Kuwait?

366 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:26pm

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

In a country where the government can mandate what light bulbs you are permitted to buy and run with your own money, I can readily foresee laws which--for similar "green" purposes--allocate how much space a person is permitted to claim for themselves, even if they are willing and able to pay for more.

Well, they're already dictating what size and type of car you drive, via the CAFE standards.

367 DeafDog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:29pm

re: #334 Adina in Judea

Gaspirino at CNBC opines that at least part of the recent stock market melt down is discounting Obama's policies.

368 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:34pm

re: #338 Iron Fist

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

On pure federalism grounds, I'm against the FMA, leaving all other questions aside.

In happier news, my new pistol came in from Kimber way ahead of schedule.

369 right_on_target  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:38pm

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

If you've survived NYC all these years, you can handle Chicago. Outside of the obvious, it's a fun town.


______________________
My nephew went to school at University Chicago. First day there he got mugged, right off campus. Cost my brother $$ in medical bills.
He got wiser later on.

370 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:39pm
371 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:39:55pm

re: #363 Ben Hur

I'm pretty sure that was the last place he wanted to be.

That's what i mean. What a puss he had on.

372 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:03pm

re: #362 Meremortal

+
Indeed. Let's give Obama every chance the Left gave George W. Bush.

Oh, you can take that to the bank. :)

373 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:04pm

re: #343 Nevergiveup

Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat--i guess that's one way of putting it?

At bayonet point, no less. Kinky.

374 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:10pm

re: #347 Vergeltung

I used to be pro-gay marriage until Andrew Sullivan went completely nuts about the issue. He convinced me that it wasn't about basic fairness, but was aimed at radically changing what society finds acceptible. It's not really about live and let live. It never has been.

375 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:31pm

re: #368 Occasional Reader

On pure federalism grounds, I'm against the FMA, leaving all other questions aside.

In happier news, my new pistol came in from Kimber way ahead of schedule.

What did you get?

376 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:34pm

re: #362 Meremortal

+
Indeed. Let's give Obama every chance the Left gave George W. Bush.


By removing every "O" on every keyboard in the White House.

(Does anything else sum up the Clintion White House more than that......and the other thing with the fat chick?)

377 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:41pm

re: #340 talon_262

I agree. Once he traded his Army uniform for the top hat and tailcoat of the Foggy Bottom Chicken, Powell just became another political general. Not an American hero in my book. More like an American idol. With feet of clay.

378 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:40:59pm

re: #352 pingjockey

Nap time. If I see Sandman I'll WHACK him with a clue by four.

Sweet dreams.

379 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:41:05pm

re: #291 looking closely

I may vote for Senator Patrick O'Brien because I am Irish Catholic, and believe that as a fellow Irish Catholic, Senator O'Brien will be better represent my worldview

But there is inherent racism inside that. Believing that a Catholic will more likely agree with another Catholic on many policies, etc. is one thing.

But believing that they will have the same worldview because they have the same color skin is racism.

380 Vergeltung  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:41:38pm

re: #374 Iron Fist

I used to be pro-gay marriage until Andrew Sullivan went completely nuts about the issue. He convinced me that it wasn't about basic fairness, but was aimed at radically changing what society finds acceptible. It's not really about live and let live. It never has been.

yep. looking for acceptance, approval, and "normalcy".

381 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:06pm

re: #349 Soona'

Powell was the CoS. He commanded no one.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and he commanded no one? HUH? As CJCS , he's our nation's highest ranking military officer.

382 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:08pm

re: #342 Meremortal

Bush 43, accused of "going it alone" only had 33 countries actually put troops on the ground in Iraq.

I'd have to dig it up, but I don't think that many actually had troops on the ground; rather, that was the number that at least signed on for diplomatic support. But it was still an international coalition that was actually doing the fighting, even if... as usual... our guys and the Brits had the brunt of it (with Aussies punching above their weight, too).

383 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:36pm

re: #375 Creeping Eruption

What did you get?

Kimber Warrior M1911 clone.

384 RickZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:54pm

re: #257 Iron Fist

Yeah, we can't have cracker white trash making it out of their trailer parks, can we? All of that so-called Progress that we've had for the last 25 years was so terrible, wasn't it?


Yeah, even had a trailer trash President from Hope, Arkansas. And look how he treated the Oval Office.

385 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:42:55pm

re: #339 JacksonTn

The Big Guy told them to ........ so I am pretty sure they will ......

It's come down *kinda* from the USCCB, of which I am usually suspicious.

386 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:01pm

re: #351 Max Darkside

And showers that do more than spray mist.

Tom Sowell - We took what worked and replaced it with what didn't work.

387 hermeneutics  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:02pm

re: #339 JacksonTn

The Big Guy told them to ........ so I am pretty sure they will ......

Many years ago, I covered the annual bishops conference in DC for a major DC newspaper. Obviously, I interviewed the main players who were split, almost evenly between the political left and right. I was shocked, though, at how openly the leftist bishops trashed their Pope. Clearly, they had little respect for him and only superficially carried out his will.

I don't know what's happened to the RCC in the years following this, but my hunch is that a cadre of leftists still controls most of the US Catholic Bishops conference.

388 jwpaine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:16pm

From the Dictionary of Nuanced Thinking, Ed. B. Obama, N. Pelosi, J. Kerry, University Press, 2009):

Black is White.
War Is Peace.
Marxism is Capitalism.

389 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:41pm

re: #338 Iron Fist

Maybe if the Gays would quit trying to shove their lifestyle down America's throat at bayonet point, there wouldn't be people talking about amending the Constitution to stop them.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you'd been raped by gays at knifepoint. I can only imagine how horrible it was. It must have been very traumatic. There are support groups that can help you heal.

390 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:41pm

re: #353 Ben Hur

He served up Israel in Madrid to get that coalition.


+
Yes, that too.

391 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:43:54pm

re: #383 Occasional Reader

Kimber Warrior M1911 clone.

I am usually not the jealous type, but . . . .

392 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:19pm

re: #275 Silhouette

I gots bootleg copies of de Constitution, 'fore de changes.

Way ahead of you. I have the Constitution loaded on my iPhone. (Really.)

393 stuiec  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:21pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I think I'm officially done trying to like Palin......
Video: Palin supports Federal Marriage Amendment

This is the exact thing that conservatives need to give up. Do they really want to be responsible for the first constitutional amendment that limits rights for a segment of the population instead of protecting their freedom. People can be for or against gay marriage but to amend the constitution to prevent gay marriage is over the top for me. I've never been very impressed with her and I'm rapidly starting to dislike her.

The first? What was Prohibition? How about Presidential term limits?

Hell, if you want to get technical about it, the Thirteenth Amendment took away property rights from one segment of the population in order to establish a right to be free of involuntary servitude for another segment of the population. And even that amendment restricts the freedoms of a distinct segment of the population, namely convicted criminals.

394 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #354 Meremortal

Si, senora, the odor is upstream and wafting.

Where's a big fan when you need one?

395 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:30pm

re: #368 Occasional Reader

Cool. Kimber's are good guns. I had a chance to buy one about a year ago for $700, and I passed it up. I didn't really have the money, but it was a nice pistol. I'm really woried about what Obama and the Democrats will do on the gun control front if the Dems win a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

396 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:52pm

re: #391 Creeping Eruption

I am usually not the jealous type, but . . . .

Don't get too jealous, yet. I have still have DC paperwork tap-dancing to do.

397 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least until he sees that you've noticed him...

Whacking him could get messy.

398 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:44:59pm
399 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:45:14pm

re: #359 MandyManners

Mais oui!

Chirac blackmailed Turkey to keep the 4th Infantry Division out of the war. Without the northern leg of the thrust more of the infrastructure for the insurgency survived so more Americans died. Also the Islamists were strengthened in Turkey and left free to pursue neutrality between the Bush and the Putin when Russia invaded Georgia. The dynamic between the Kurds and the Turks may be less stable, with both sides being more aggressive, because the Americans did not invade from the North with Turkish backing. Actions (and inactions) have consequences.

400 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:45:32pm

re: #336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Exactly how is he a hero?

In the eyes of most Americans he is what is considered an American Hero.

401 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:46:04pm

re: #387 hermeneutics

Many years ago, I covered the annual bishops conference in DC for a major DC newspaper. Obviously, I interviewed the main players who were split, almost evenly between the political left and right. I was shocked, though, at how openly the leftist bishops trashed their Pope. Clearly, they had little respect for him and only superficially carried out his will.

I don't know what's happened to the RCC in the years following this, but my hunch is that a cadre of leftists still controls most of the US Catholic Bishops conference.

Well ...... my friends in PA who are Catholic are hearing it at their parish ...... and Knights of Columbus endorsed McCain ......being a liberal priest is one thing ..... but a candidate who supports partial birth abortion and is very pro abortion not just pro choice ...... is believe has taken it to a whole different level this time .....

402 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:46:18pm

re: #396 Occasional Reader

Don't get too jealous, yet. I have still have DC paperwork tap-dancing to do.

Didn't realize you were in D.C. Good luck. In 30 years you can let my grand kids know how it handles. I'm surprised they have not yet found away around SCOTUS yet.

(Still jealous)

403 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #395 Iron Fist

I'm really woried about what Obama and the Democrats will do on the gun control front if the Dems win a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Me, too. So I'm happy it came in (even if it's not in my hot little hands quite yet).

404 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:46:48pm

re: #400 unrealizedviewpoint

In the eyes of most Americans he is what is considered an American Hero.

Nice non-answer.

405 jwpaine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:46:59pm

re: #361 Jamie

I'm with you, Jamie. The less I am requested to think about what gays do in the privacy of their own homes, the happier I am. FWIW, there's plenty of hetero doings I prefer not to think about, either.

406 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:47:01pm

re: #399 lifeofthemind

Chirac blackmailed Turkey to keep the 4th Infantry Division out of the war. Without the northern leg of the thrust more of the infrastructure for the insurgency survived so more Americans died. Also the Islamists were strengthened in Turkey and left free to pursue neutrality between the Bush and the Putin when Russia invaded Georgia. The dynamic between the Kurds and the Turks may be less stable, with both sides being more aggressive, because the Americans did not invade from the North with Turkish backing. Actions (and inactions) have consequences.

I agree with all you just said, but I never heard Chirac blackmailed Turkey? Wouldn't put it past him, but how so?

407 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:47:15pm

re: #393 stuiec

Hell, if you want to get technical about it, the Thirteenth Amendment took away property rights from one segment of the population in order to establish a right to be free of involuntary servitude for another segment of the population.

Owning another human being was never a justifiable "right" in my opinion.

408 debutaunt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:47:17pm

re: #376 Ben Hur

By removing every "O" on every keyboard in the White House.

(Does anything else sum up the Clintion White House more than that......and the other thing with the fat chick?)

Removing the letter W from keyboards, rendering them useless, showed the stunning childishness of the left.

409 jorline  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:47:30pm

re: #230 Mr. Sandman

Uh, are you deliberately trying to misinterpret basic sentences to rile people up on an irrational basis against Obama and the "media"? The headline is clearly not implying in any way that Obama will be "heir to Reaganomics" or that Obama's economic policies are like Reagan's or that Obama is claiming anything like that. The headline is perfectly fine headline for the news it reports, of Obama's clever little "update" of Reagan's famous line.

And I do hope that when Obama becomes president, he flushes Reaganomics down the toilet, where it belongs.

Where's Joe the plumber?

Obamanomics stinks and will back up the toilet.

410 Jamie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:47:32pm

re: #303 DeafDog

PA is winnibale for Johnny Mac.

No, it's not. There hasn't been a public poll showing McCain within single digits since September. Now, polls are fallible, but they aren't that fallible.

If I'm McCain, I take a hard look at the map and try to map out my most realistic path toward 270, and stay in the states contained in that equation where the margin is the closest. It's another Hail Mary, but he can't very well keep calling running plays.

411 Nevergiveup  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:01pm

re: #400 unrealizedviewpoint

In the eyes of most Americans he is what is considered an American Hero.

Maybe, but I bet less than 50% of people on the street could even identify him?

412 Right_Is_Right  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:16pm

Didn't see this yet... FoxNews.com home page... picture from Zombie as main image!

413 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:20pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

Owning another human being was never a justifiable "right" in my opinion.

You shouldn't have written that. Mistress Olga is VERY cross with you.

414 Meremortal  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:41pm

re: #376 Ben Hur

By removing every "O" on every keyboard in the White House.

(Does anything else sum up the Clintion White House more than that......and the other thing with the fat chick?)


+
"The era of big government is over."

Oh, wait...

415 hermeneutics  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:48:41pm

re: #401 JacksonTn

Well ...... my friends in PA who are Catholic are hearing it at their parish ...... and Knights of Columbus endorsed McCain ......being a liberal priest is one thing ..... but a candidate who supports partial birth abortion and is very pro abortion not just pro choice ...... is believe has taken it to a whole different level this time .....

Lets hope so, Jackson. I really, really hope that the RCC has the ear of its parishioners ... and their heart. If most Catholics don't give a rip about abortion -- there are plenty of statistics the suggest the majority of Catholics pick-n'-choose their theological beliefs from the smorgasboard they feel is being offered to them -- then the American church leaders have lost the respect of their flock. We'll see the stats on RCC voters after the election. Could be revealing.

416 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 1:49:01pm