Card: Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
Opinion | Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:36:11 pm PDT
Orson Scott Card hits the mark: Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
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Opinion | Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:36:11 pm PDT
Orson Scott Card hits the mark: Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:38pm |
I do recommend that everyone read this, it's a very good but concise summary of how badly journalism is failing.
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:35pm |
Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?
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seekeroftruth Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:02pm |
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
Amen.
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:53pm |
An honest dem? Wow. Better keep him in the original packaging. A rare collectable like that is bound to go up in value!
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Outrider Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:41:02pm |
They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:42:47pm |
re: #2 Iron Fist
The Media are the enemy.
Fellow travelers. Liberals, especially far left marxist types (like Obama) are the enemy.
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:43:29pm |
re: #7 Outrider
They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/
I suspect J-school is a large part of the problem.
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PAgirlinNC Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:06pm |
I hope that means he is voting McCain/Palin this time around - especially since NC is considered a swing state this year...
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Tigger2005 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:07pm |
All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:45:15pm |
They are always polling McCain/Palin.
I give the MSM a 13%
I give LGF ----------86%
/can't get a 100% because Charles has to use some Bird Cage articles.
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code red 21 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:35pm |
This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.
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Indymaestro Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:36pm |
Obama IS Ender...trained by Ayers of course ;)
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JHW Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:39pm |
One of the best articles I've seen this political season. It's criminal how the media in general has distorted or ignored the origins of the financial crisis. It, it some ways, reminds me of Soviet "journalism". The commisar vanishes.
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stuiec Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:00pm |
re: #7 Outrider
They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
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I wouldn't mind them calling themselves journalists and printing whatever garbage they like, if they conformed to two rules:
1) Stop pretending that there is such an animal as "journalistic ethics."
2) Whatever you print has to be labeled truthfully as "objective facts," "my own opinion," or "advocacy of something I want you to believe."
The big problem is that the MSM pretend to be bastions of objective and honest reporting, when in fact they are propaganda organs. That's why it took The National Enquirer to break the John Edwards love child story: they are interested in fascinating facts, wherever they lead, whereas the MSM is only interested in fascinating facts that lead to the political conclusions they support.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:18pm |
Orson Scott Card may be right on on this article, but the man has been known to be all over the spectrum. He is pro-gun control, homophobic, anti-fossil fuel, anti-global warming and highly critical of capitalism.
So, one thing for sure, he's hard to nail down.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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wun wabbit wun Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:35pm |
I say Card and Joe The Plumber for 2012!
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:45pm |
re: #3 RedWhiteAndJew
Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?
Yes. What's it for? Sarah?
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Russkilitlover Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:45pm |
I think he got it - spot on. Though loathe to quote the French on anything, they also know to cherchez l'argent (or la femme, in the case of Bill Clinton). NO reporter "journalist" today is following the money trail and it's a despicable neglect of journalistic responsibility.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:08pm |
Well, lookee here!
In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.
Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.
In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.
SNIP
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:23pm |
It's a compelling read.
The lights are still off.
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Tigger2005 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:26pm |
re: #12 Tigger2005
All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.
Oh, and of course, be sure to credit Orson Scott Card!
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psyop Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:43pm |
That was one of the best articles I have read in a while.
Good on Card.
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:50:02pm |
Yes. What's it for? Sarah?
Yep. It's supposed to be reminiscent of those ubiquitous OBX stickers you see everywhere.
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ClosetConservative Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:50:55pm |
Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:51:47pm |
They end up worse off than before.
"We're the government, and we're here to help you".
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:01pm |
re: #27 taxfreekiller
Just take a look at our U.S. Senate.
There before you Lt. for life John F. Kerry, liar, fraud, traitor, fake awards and citations self-made in a war zone. 40 years later only by the support of the AP ect. co-liars and fraud of the msm etal , he sits the front page news photo op of it all.
We brought him down,
Obamba deserves the same trip.
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looking closely Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:05pm |
re: #17 stuiec
I don't think its really EVER been true that newspapers and the like have been truly objective, but there was a time when they tried, at least, to convey that impression.
I also think the solution to the problem of biased press is more press.
There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.
What we need isn't to bury the legacy leftist press, but to build up a functional alternative. Fox news is a start, as it Pajamas media and this website.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:41pm |
re: #29 ClosetConservative
Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd ALLEGEDLYshouted something uncouth.
which the Secret Service has repudiated
fixed
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:54:16pm |
re: #32 looking closely
There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.
During the time of the Partisan Press, left and right had no meaning.
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odinga Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:54:20pm |
Powell makes no sense. Everything he "knows" about Plain he has learned by watching the Media Filtered version of reality. Powell never even MET the VP candidate for his OWN party! He just sits around and watches TV.
WTF.
These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:35pm |
re: #29 ClosetConservative
Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.
You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):
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JeremyR Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:17pm |
re: #29 ClosetConservative
Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.
Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.
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ciaospirit Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:36pm |
Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:47pm |
"You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city."
I think it is much, much bigger than that: The Democratic Party is the political arm of the media-industrial complex.
Journalism (ie reporting and commentary) cannot be isolated from its corporate affiliates, entertainment and advertising. They are all part of the media spectrum and there is plainly a great deal of cross-pollination among them. Political propaganda and advocacy are a branch of advertising; personnel, themes, and metholology flow freely from one branch to another. Look at the number of lefty journalists who started as sportscasters, a professional amalgam of entertainment and journalism with a very heavy dose of ad culture tossed in.
Note how the basic socio-cultural themes of the left reflect the value system of the media/advertising/entertainment spectrum: acceptance of deviant behavior and substance abuse, unearned gratification, radical politics, nihilism, celebrity worship, sound-bite rhetoric, moral authoritarianism, egocentricity and greed.
The left as we know it today is not the left of Eugene Debs or Robert LaFollette, let alone Karl Marx; it is essentially an advertising gimmick run amok.
For more on this symbiosis of media and the political left, see Thomas Frank's remarkable cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism
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LEGION Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:50pm |
Ahhhh- reporting truth died years ago
Say, we need 3 more in the lounge for FREE PEANUTS from OE- come on in!
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:55pm |
These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.
Our brethren and sisteren would do well to remember this, every time they hear of the latest "poll results."
As Sean Hannity says, "Let not your heart be troubled."
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looking closely Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:07pm |
re: #35 odinga
These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.
Since they live and die professionally on public opinion, and since the media helps create (or in some cases entirely creates) it, to them the Media is the only reality that matters.
That why so many of them try to spin stories and fix blame instead of fixing problems.
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conrad Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:18pm |
WTF OF THE DAY!
Sorry all. I just posted this on another thread, but fear it will get lost. Here it is again!
Wow! That's all I can say.
Hi folks. I picked up my local paper and splashed across the front page in giant letters was a headline so shockingly hypocritical that my jaw hit the floor. The UPI through their reporter Pete Yost is trying to say that the Republicans were the ones who stopped any regulatory rules on Freddie Mac and Fannie May. Furthermore, they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations. Then, it goes further by trying to paint the Republicans as the reason behind the entire crisis
Linked here:
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]
After some research, I found the original article in the HUFFINGTON POST! It was written by an anti republican hack named Pete Yost who wrote the "news" for the HuffPo yesterday and this story has been disseminated throughout the UPI news links in many small town papers today.
link here:
[Link: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]...]
I couldn't believe it! When Democrats were shown to have been the corrupt politicians in this mess, not a word from the press. The HuffPo prints out a poorly researched hit piece blaming republicans and it's front page news in my local paper. WTF?
It's one thing to lie poorly, but another to do so in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary already out there made me want to let my fellow lizards know this.
Charles are you interested in taking this further?
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Purple Prose Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:37pm |
When the one-term Obama and his New International Society are discredited, and The One is voted out of office, the most long-lasting consequence may be the wholesale rejection of resurgent Yellow Journalism. The cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct. It's a shame, because bloggers do not (yet) have the professional resources and reach to do first-hand reporting, relying on parsing numerous first-hand sources. Now we can't even know what is a reliable first-hand source and what is not and must employ the smell test. The concept of "facts" is already widely disputed, and not only by radical deconstructionists.
Journalism has to ally itself with science. Schools of journalism, following the decline of the NYT, WP, AP, Reuters, etc., will have to reformulate themselves. New fact-gathering agencies will have to arise.
Of course, maybe the shame of being wrong that a few years of an Obama administration may result in self-imposed reformation of the present news-gathering agencies... When non-Halal porcine animals evolve wings, perhaps...
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:17pm |
re: #36 Ward Cleaver
You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):
I don't think that I made it to minute three of that vid...these people are foul.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:03pm |
Actually, there is no media. If you can't get your information off the web, you are limited to a propaganda machine that assumes you need to be told what to think by leftist elitists. And why not? They have dumbed down the school system to the point that critical thought is virtually a lost art. And it works in their direction. Why would they want to change it?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:27pm |
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.
It's a shame McCain won't take advantage of this.
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Tigger Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:19pm |
re: #1 Thanos
I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:22pm |
re: #14 code red 21
This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.
Indeed. And there will be no pork in the treetops this year!
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Onslow Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:29pm |
Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space
Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 million
May they die agonizing deaths.
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:44pm |
Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:01pm |
re: #43 conrad
they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations.
From the article:
McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000.
Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:20pm |
re: #49 Tigger
I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.
Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:37pm |
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
This is why I think we're unlikely to see the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Why would Obama damage his most valuable asset?
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Maine's Michael Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:48pm |
Got this in an email. Worth spreading around. Probably fairly accurate:
Here are some of the things we might look forward to in the next two years -
- Tax increases (obviously)
- Restoration of welfare through "tax credits" (= direct cash payouts).
- Outlawing of semi-auto assault rifles
- Outlawing magazines over X rounds for non-military rifles
- Fairness Doctrine
- Net neutrality
- Internet tax
- Socialized health care & eventually rationing
- Withdrawal from Iraq
- Deep defense budget cuts
- End of missile defense
- End of illegal immigration enforcement, border security
- End of secret ballot for union elections
- On the spot voter registration (just show up)
- Federal funding of ACORN and other leftist groups
- Participation in Int'l Criminal Court
- Support international regulations on securities markets, banking
- Support global carbon tax
- Billions of new taxes on corporations through "carbon credit" payments
- End of standards in public schools
Some other possiblities:
- Prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld for war crimes
- New laws against home schooling
- Outlaw fee-for-service health care & doctor choice
- Mandated drug prices (=stifle new drug research)
- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College
- Reparations payments to blacks for slavery
- End of tax exempt status for churches preaching that homosexuality is a sin or other "political" speech
- Expanded "hate speech" laws to include any speech that is politically incorrect.
Except for the reparations to blacks, I think its pretty spot on.
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Charles Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:33pm |
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
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profitsbeard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:47pm |
Advocacy is the antithesis of Journalism.
Until this code returns, the "news" will be predictably old.
As the Emperor's Empty Suit cries out for an honest eye .
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:01pm |
Thank You John McCain.
Stick that in your "Plumbers Crack" and Smoke it Bambi.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:05pm |
re: #56 Maine's Michael
- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College
I think those two might be bogus.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:21pm |
re: #52 Noam Sayin'
Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.
I know, especially these days.
I don't mind the fact that there are those that have a different opinion than mine....what scares me is the rabid following of that opposition. I can appreciate a good debate based on the merits of the differences between the parties, but these days there are few that argue the merits...it's all name calling and race baiting. Mr. Card is that rare individual who actually looks at both sides of the picture and isn't afraid to call his party to the carpet when it is deserved.
I'd have him as a guest at a dinner party anytime...
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:30pm |
re: #51 Onslow
Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space
Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 millionMay they die agonizing deaths.
Yep. Now that I can get listings online for movies I don't even need a local paper. And ads/coupons are esily found in store or online
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:49pm |
ciaospirit (#38),
Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.
Stop asking me questions. That's, like, hard and stuff.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:50pm |
re: #22 MandyManners
Well, lookee here!
SNIP
Go figure, they didn't have to target Dems to defeat it because they were already in with Freddy and Fannie.
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kynna Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:32pm |
Great stuff. The dems will only see his typo of calling Franklin Raines 'Freddie' Raines, unfortunately.
Excellent rant, though. A lot of irrefutable facts here.
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:42pm |
Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes
When a representative called my home, selling subscriptions to the Dayton Daily WorkerNews, I informed him that I could not give my coin to a rag that was incapable of reporting reality, in lieu of the leftist fantasies they normally print. His response was that most people who object to its political stance complain it's too conservative. I bought more car insurance the next day.
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jamgarr Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:54pm |
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gop_patriot Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:07pm |
re: #38 ciaospirit
Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.
No! lol
I didn't, but watched it anyway. Wow, those were some stupid people. Especially the guy at the end.
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LEGION Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:16pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
Throw Grandma under the train--- [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:28pm |
re: #37 JeremyR
Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.
There's a lot of subtle bias, too. Yesterday I attended a local rally of small business owners for McCain. It was probably barely a hundred people, but the local (last place rated) TV news tried to make it look even smaller. All their footage was taken before the rally began, showing a few people scattered on benches or milling about. No shots of the tightly packed group listening to the speakers and applauding, of course.
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guzziguy Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:31pm |
re: #22 MandyManners
Well, lookee here!
SNIP
Mandy, Am I dense tonight or is there an inconsistency between the headline and the last paragraph?
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:41pm |
His typical sick white grandmother, perchance?
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:42pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:00pm |
re: #57 Charles
I think Obama can take off as much time as he needs. He can just phone it in at this point.
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crown_of_feathers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:03pm |
re: #44 Purple Prose
Excellent post.
"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:18pm |
re: #49 Tigger
I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.
Good for you! I haven't taken the daily paper in over ten years, but then I am what marketeers like to call "an early adaptor".
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:08pm |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
I think those two might be bogus.
I do believe that both would require Constitutional amendments.
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:10pm |
Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:39pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
Maybe he needs to cover some ILWU/Soetoro tracks or something...
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:52pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
Must be nice to have the election already in the bag.
/Perhaps he's suspending his campaign due to the health care crisis in Hawaii for children?
//Perhaps he's on the lookout for his birth certificate?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:59pm |
re: #73 RedWhiteAndJew
Sorry,, Had to ding you down. I know what you meant, but it just doesn't olook right IMHO
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:12pm |
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.
Indeed. They are the unpaid propaganda arm of democrat party, and they have revealed themselves as such in this election. They will get theirs- it's only a matter of time.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:15pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
IIRC, the last time he and the family went to Hawaii (this summer), only Obama went to visit Grandma while Michelle and the kids didn't, which seemed very odd.
Am I remembering that correctly?
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:23pm |
re: #56 Maine's Michael
That pretty much looks like the real Democratic platform to me.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:30pm |
Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?
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profitsbeard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:35pm |
re: #58 taxfreekiller
So, Obama is going to see his sick grandmother.
before we say any thing, find out how often he
went to see her over the last 20 years.
For as long a Barry can remember, he has considered her a silent mentor, even if a typical white woman.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:47pm |
I feel sorry for anyone that has a loss in their family .......but does this mean the press will "go easy" on him while he is visiting his grandmother .....No joke ..... I mean do you think they will now say it is in bad taste to say anything about him now ....I mean even more than they say it now ......
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:02pm |
re: #53 MandyManners
So they're conflating payment for work done by a lobbying firm (all completely legal, by the way) with campaign donations. It must have been a terrible shock to them to learn that consultants do what their clients pay them to do, and few have the luxury of turning away business.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:09pm |
re: #51 Onslow
Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space
Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 millionMay they die agonizing deaths.
Heh.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:18pm |
BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:27pm |
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Charles Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:42pm |
re: #79 lifeofthemind
Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?
Could it be related to this?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Maine's Michael Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:44pm |
Charles,
Very convenient time for his grandma to get sick. He gets to visit here, and America gets reminded he's not so scary.
'Look, he has nice little old (white) gramma, and she's sick, poor thing. But he's such a good grandson! How bad can he be?'
I'm going to cynic myself right to hell . . .
But Obama is good. REAL good.
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ArmyWife Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:50pm |
re: #57 Charles
I wish his Grandmother well. Regardless of her political leanings, it is my opinion she got the short end of the stick from Barry - she raised him when his father and then mother (and I guess step father) abandoned him. But who does Barry invoke during story telling hour at the end of each speech and debate? His deadbeat dad. So, Grandmother whatever your last name is, even if you happen to be a left leaning kook, you deserved better than what you got, and may you get well soon to beat him about the head and shoulders with the nearest object to your bed when he arrives.
*Disclaimer* I am not advocating physical violence. Just figurative violence.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:55pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:36pm |
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jackfetch Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:41pm |
Card's political essays... and he and Lieberman are the only two real "neo-cons" I know of... are collected at: [Link: www.ornery.org...]
You can follow the "World Watch" link on the left to a collection of all his weekly op-ed columns. Although, I don't agree with him 100%, his essays are always well-constructed and definitely worth reading.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:04pm |
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:21pm |
I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:25pm |
re: #96 maddogg
Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?
Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:57pm |
Who knows what is real with the Obamas. Maybe he'll buy granny a lobster dinner and some Iranian caviar. That oughta help
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:05pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
I hope she's better soon.
Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:16pm |
I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....
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Moe Katz Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:17pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
Injured by a bus, I suspect.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:41pm |
re: #103 Sharmuta
I hope she's better soon.
Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.
You mean like Tony Snow .......
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Steffan Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:02pm |
re: #17 stuiec
"Journalistic ethics" is an oxymoron.
OT: Specialist Stephen Fortunato was killed last week, in Afghanistan, by an IED. He left behind a blog entry (emphasis mine):
I'd like to say something....Just to get it out there so it is clear.
To all the pampered and protected Americans who feel it is their duty to inform me that I am not fighting for their freedom, and that i am a pawn in Bush's agenda of greed and oil acquisition: Noted, and [expletive deleted] You.I am not a robot. i am not blind or ignorant to the state of the world or the implications of the "war on terrorism." i know that our leaders have made mistakes in the handling of a very sensitive situation, but do not for one second think that you can make me lose faith in what we, meaning America's sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers in uniform are doing.
I am doing my part in fighting a very real enemy of the United States, i.e. Taliban, Al Qaida, and various other radical sects of Islam that have declared war on our way of life. Unless you believe the events of 9/11 were the result of a government conspiracy, which by the way would make you a MORON, there is no reasonable argument you can make against there being a true and dangerous threat that needs to be dealt with. i don't care if there are corporations leaching off the war effort to make money, and i don't care if you don't think our freedom within America's borders is actually at stake. i just want to kill those who would harm my family and friends. it is that simple. Even if this is just a war for profit or to assert America's power, so what? Someone has to be on top and I want it to be us. There's nothing wrong with wishing prosperity for your side.
Go read the whole thing. It's a keeper.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:10pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."
Close, Arkansas.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:24pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:47pm |
re: #91 SeafoodGumbo
BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.
It looks like she really is sick. I guess Obama's shadiness has made me cynical of everything he does.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:58pm |
I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.
So we musn't let that happen.
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Peter Verkooijen Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:27pm |
Remarkable column.
Orson Scott Card may still want to consider himself a Democrat, he will quickly find out he's now on the dark side.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:38pm |
re: #112 Thanos
I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.
So we musn't let that happen.
Running out the clock .......not his first rodeo ........
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J.S. Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:40pm |
re: #83 Sharmuta
I suspect that if The Zero wins the election, we're in for another 4 years of raving hogwash extolling the Wonders of Dear Leader, etc. After 3 years of this I am so sick of it -- I only wish the MSM would grow tired of it -- but, I don't believe they will ever tire of their slimy pandering. What really grates is also (of course) the fact that all the MSM have slogans which suggest that they're all about "impartiality", "unbiased", "no bull", and "objectivity" -- all the while peddling falsehoods and frauds. I have to laugh -- they can't even describe what they're doing accurately (let alone write an accurate, investigative report..)
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JHW Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:48pm |
re: #104 JacksonTn
Joe's a hell of a lot more articulate than about 3/4s of our politicians.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:11pm |
re: #94 Maine's Michael
Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.
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Gozer the Carpathian Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:32pm |
I've enjoyed Mr. Card's work for many years now. From Ender's Game to his other political writings. Though he IS quite liberal in some areas. (I can hardly believe his "race relations" article) this one he nails it and shows some of his conservative leanings once again. :)
It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.
Hear hear!
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:42pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:24pm |
Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.
As much as I can't stand him and what he represents, that isn't right.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:35pm |
Pretty soon, the early weather forecasts will be coming out for November 4th. Hopefully there will be some inclement weather in battleground states.
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sparrowlake Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:54pm |
re: #54 SpartanWoman
Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes
Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.
I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?
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mfarmer1 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:54pm |
re: #104 JacksonTn
I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....
He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.
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nyc redneck Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:47pm |
the msm has so bought into this empty suit being so much more than he is.
they made up their minds that he was the ONE even before they looked closely at him.
they are committed to orchestrating his ascension and nothing he could do, no matter how dangerous or bad, will sway them.
something is really wrong w/ the msm.
obama is such a flawed candidate. he isn't qualified to hold even local office.
he is short on honesty, good character, integrity, intelligence, and leadership skills.
i can only imagine the msm has been bought off or they all have been collectively stuck dumb.
it is almost unfathomable that this socialist has sailed along so easily, so unchallenged, in his quest for the highest office in the land.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:52pm |
re: #123 mfarmer1
He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.
He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.
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Noam Sayin' Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:06pm |
re: #62 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Echo that. I remember trying to offer even milder misgivings in 2004 amongst my D friends and being castigated for it. That's back when I still thought i was a democrat.
No I know that I'm not.
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SlartyBartfast Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:10pm |
A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:
Matthews: Why do you care enough to bring this up at the end of this campaign? Why is it an important election eve issue?
And later:
Matthews: Why is this so important that it's being pushed out on telephone calls to all the key states now with two weeks to go?
When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the fact-finders dirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?
I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:15pm |
re: #122 sparrowlake
NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell
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ArmyWife Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:43pm |
re: #107 Steffan
Godspeed, SPC Fortunato. I pray comfort finds it way to your family.
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nyc redneck Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:19pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:31pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.
Wanker
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:39pm |
Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean we can't remind others of the contempt he displayed for her, when it suited him.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:07pm |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Tosser.
/Cheers!
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mfarmer1 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:29pm |
re: #125 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.
No kidding. I'd rather see more people like him running for/holding office even if I disagreed 100%. It's refreshing.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:31pm |
re: #122 sparrowlake
Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.
I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?
God, I hate the Star. I'm a firm Sun reader both here in Alberta and when I lived/grew up in Ontario. Their online sports section is great but otherwise.... *spit*
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:35pm |
I'm taking a break from watching "The Candidate." Never seen it before. I had to stop for a bit because it was reminding me way too much of certain people.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:36pm |
Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:36pm |
re: #127 SlartyBartfast
A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:
When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the
fact-findersdirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.
Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:47pm |
re: #128 SpartanWoman
NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell
What do you have against hell?
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:02pm |
Obi-Wan ......
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:20pm |
re: #139 sattv4u2
What do you have against hell?
LOL. I thought maybe the devil could reforn Little Pinch and turn him into a less dishonest sort of demon
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:42pm |
Killgore Trout (#117),
Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.
Yes, because people who aren't older than McCain don't get sick.
Outstanding logic.
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Steffan Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:51pm |
re: #76 crown_of_feathers
Excellent post.
"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.
It's times like this that I miss the Weekly World News. Until I figured out the joke, I cringed when I saw pictures like Bush and Clinton walking with a space alien on the White House lawn. After I got the joke, I followed the continuing adventures of Batboy with a certain fascination. :)
At this point, however, the Weekly World News would be more trustworthy than the MSM. For that matter, the National Enquirer is more trustworthy than CNS, NBC, ABC, or CNN,
NYT stocks have dropped to about half what they were worth five years ago. Circulation is off, ad revenues are seriously off, and they had to fire a lot of people in their newsroom. They have yet to figure out why....
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Moe Katz Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:55pm |
re: #122 sparrowlake
I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?
They are owned by a wealthy left-liberal family and don't have to worry too much about their bottom line.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:00pm |
re: #130 nyc redneck
i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.
No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'
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Maine's Michael Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:22pm |
How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?
Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:26pm |
Hope his grandmother illness is not severe and a speedy recovery
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bolivar Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:36pm |
re: #100 JacksonTn
I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......
Hate to agree with you JacksonTn but I must. This is just another ploy in the dhimmie game. I have no sympathy for Barry or his Grandmother other than I don't want her to really be ill. I am not like the scum in DU or KOS who wish all kinds of death and evil to befall conservatives and those eeeevil Republicans. I don't wish anybody ill - just want to have fairness and decency take over this g-d election. Is that really too much to ask?
You know as well as I do if the tables were turned the dhimmies would say tuff shittsky and you suck and all those other wonderful superlatives. Dhimmies have only one mode - attack and slime. They have some really slimy characters and the DU and KOSkids are prime examples.
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spidly Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:37pm |
re: #122 sparrowlake
Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.
I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?
had the same problem with the Oregonian. Fortunately they started leaving it in the apt foyer rather than bringing it to the door so I could save myself the effort of chucking it. Calls offering 2 - 3 months free including the sunday edition didn't stop until I moved.
Since craig'slist, there is absolutely no reason to kill a tree for that leftist screed
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saberry0530 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:56pm |
re: #74 CyanSnowHawk
May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.
He would still have the Senate thing to do . Would hate to see his "PRESENT" voting record screwed up!
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:08pm |
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brickthruplateglasswindow Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:33pm |
re: #57 Charles
Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...
...and he'll return with a "deathbed affidavit" indicating he was in fact born in Hawaii. "See! Look, right here. My mee-maw even signed it!"
I wasn't always such a cynic....well, that's not entirely true either. :(
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:39pm |
Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:40pm |
re: #137 Walter L. Newton
Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.
You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.
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unclassifiable Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:42pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
The first step is recognizing that your "friends" can be total lying sacks of...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:44pm |
OT
I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
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Colin Nelson Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:59pm |
Bravo Zulu to Mr. Card.
Finally a voice of passion, reason and common sense to say nothing of honesty in clearly saying to all, that the media emperor has no clothes.
Would that every print and electronic hack who has helped propagate this entire campaign of Obama smoke and mirrors be compelled, in the name of decency, to redeem those values of honesty and integrity that should be the hallmark of a free press.
The 'free' part of free press and 'free' speech must be earned and paid for every day or it is lost.
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:06pm |
re: #91 SeafoodGumbo
BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.
the cynic in me says yes, it is manufactured. the Powell story bought him a couple days of relief, a few days administering to his ailing grandmother buys him several more days.
a few more little distractions like this and time is over. it could be classic running out the clock strategy.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:13pm |
re: #146 Maine's Michael
How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?
Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.
She was in Rochester, MN, last week. But basically I think they're keeping her under wraps. She didn't even show at the 9/11 commemoration. The sort of thing First Ladies might be expected to attend...
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:46pm |
Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:35pm |
He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:41pm |
re: #154 SeafoodGumbo
You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.
That was the answer. Wow. When did DOS 6.1 add that feature. Bill Gates rocks!
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artdog Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:57pm |
Wonderful column by Mr. Card.
I have been a journalist (newspaper reporter and editor), as well as a business owner and currently work in a marketing capacity at a media company known for having a conservative, pro-business stance.
In my experience, the field of journalism attracts liberals, and they ASSUME that everybody else in their environment is liberal, and they tout their beliefs. Outside of the company where I work now, I've met about five non-leftie journalists in my life. And that may be a generous number.
Also -- most journalists have never done anything else in their adult lives besides write about OTHER people. They've never run a business or worked in business, so they don't understand economics or how profit and loss really works. It shows in their reporting. And I've only met two or three journalists who ever served in the military or even worked in a civilian job for the military. So most of them have no clue how it works, either.
Furthermore, newsrooms most certainly DO have liberal agendas. It's not hidden. Stories get buried, killed or ignored.
Not to impugn everyone. I actually do know honest journalists who happen to be liberals. But too many of them are out to further the political agenda of the left, and it's gotten way out of control this election cycle.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:15pm |
re: #156 Walter L. Newton
OT
I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
It was on the main site of FoxNews.com as well.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:22pm |
re: #120 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
With two weeks left, Obama's polling must show him comfortably ahead. Time to duck out and avoid another "Joe the Plumber" incident that might actually gain some traction. "Joe" gave McCain some lift, but not enough to put him over the top.
I don't think this "nefarious". It's merely an effort to derail the attacks on him, which may actually be eroding his lead at the margins, but not by enough to make a difference--yet.
And further attacks on Obama may look mean-spirited to at least some wavering voters in the context of the grieving grandson, Obama.
So the risk has been carefully calculated in the context of his lead, and the likely dynamics of the race. "At granny's bedside" is about as close to the Rose Garden as a non-incumbent with a substantial lead can get.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:25pm |
re: #137 Walter L. Newton
Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.
It's because your monitor screen is concave.
Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away.
/wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:27pm |
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
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spidly Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:50pm |
re: #161 DistantThunder
Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.
lie low until the grand re-opening 1/2 hour special
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:12pm |
Obama saw that Hillary's tear were effective, but this campaign would put a stress on any elderly relative. McCain's mom seems to handle it pretty well.
It was just easier on his grandmother when the Chicago machine paved the way for him instead of all this struggling for power.
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ArmyWife Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:24pm |
re: #128 SpartanWoman
The Sun tried that with me - I declined. The caller asked why, I replied I didn't have a bird. The telemarketer was quiet a minute and then got back on script asking what it would take for me to be a trial subscriber. I said in light of the current financial status of newspapers I was pretty confident they would be unable to deliver the amount of cash to go along with their rag to make it worth it to me. I then offered the stunned silent sales girl a free bit of advice (because of their money problems) - that last offer needs quite a bit of editing, it was just way too easy for people like me. They should consider something along the lines of free internet along with the paper to make fact checking their butts that much more convenient for me, the customer. For some reason she hung up.
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:34pm |
re: #22 MandyManners
I went and read the whole article. What a hack job. The article says "McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000." The article identifies DCI as the lobbying firm hired by Freddie Mac. Yet it does not say that Rick Davis works or worked for DCI. I had to look it up and it turns out that he did. By "taken," the author presumably means "accepted fees for services rendered," but taken sounds more sinister. There's also no evidence presented that Rick Davis was personally aware of the work DCI did for Freddie Mac or that he personally benefited from that account.
Of course, right there in the headline DCI is identified as a Republican firm. How can that be if they accepted an assignment from Freddie Mac to work against a Republican bill?
If anything, this demonstrates that Republicans were trying to stop the excesses at Freddie and Fannie and were thwarted by fatcat execs. I don't care who Hollis McLaughlin made contributions to, he's a sleazebag who successfully turned the Senate over to the Democrats so he could keep the good times rolling. Unfortunately, most people will see "Republican consulting firm" and assume that the eeeevil Republicans were the ones trying to prevent regulation, even though the exact opposite is true.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:35pm |
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Pullus Iulius Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:37pm |
I wish no misfortune on 0's family, and that all turns out well. But 0 will find that the truth, unfortunately, is not something which respects family priorities. Nor can it be simply run from if it is coming. I hope we will not slack up in hitting the enemy with the truth during this time.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:08pm |
I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.
For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.
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unclassifiable Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:48pm |
re: #122 sparrowlake
Yes. I have a little mound of paper mache with tire tracks on my driveway every once in a while.
And if they are so green why not try going completely online?
Probably afraid of the competition I guess.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:54pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
It's NLP, you know that. See, I used NLP on you, ha, ha.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:04pm |
re: #162 willowone
He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious
She was in a nursing home ...... she may be going home for hospice ..... I hope if she is very ill she passes in peace ...... as much as I cannot stand Senator Government ...... I do not know anything about his grandmother .....but while he is gone he is still not off limits ......
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:18pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.
For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.
RACIST!
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conrad Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:33pm |
re: #46 MandyManners
Hi Mandy. It's listed as UPI in my paper. I guess the wire services in general are picking this one up and running with it. Doesn't surprise me.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:52pm |
re: #178 Walter L. Newton
Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:56pm |
re: #172 ArmyWife
Their free trial periods are always based on the assumption that you will forget to cancel and they can start billing. The idea that I may owe one cent to the NYT is not worth it and if people see it on the driveway they will think I turned into a lib.
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pat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:43pm |
Excellent article but it means nothing. The left sees that the deconstruction of America is close at hand and the American people have been dubbed into voting for it. It will start with Amnesty, bizarre and destructive taxes, demilitarization, widely corrupt spending, the suppression and destruction of business through green laws, new banking laws, witch hunts, IRS audits of enemies and end with the Patriot Act turned upon Americans but never terrorists.
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Steffan Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:50pm |
re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It's because your monitor screen is concave.
Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away./wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:
Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.
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sparrowlake Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:02pm |
re: #154 SeafoodGumbo
You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.
COOL!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:04pm |
re: #156 Walter L. Newton
OT
I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
Go to zombietime, and to the comments for that post. Somewhere below #100 (where buzzsawmonkey began hammering them), one of the nutcases put William Ayers on the same plane as Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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Thanos Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:13pm |
re: #173 doppelganglander
On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:19pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!
A friend of mine, Biff Rose, in his song "Buzz the Fuzz" (covered by David Bowie), has a line in the song...
"He was hip... hip... hip... hip-no-tized" in reference to a police officer turned on to drugs by a female hippie he had arrested.
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conrad Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:38pm |
re: #53 MandyManners
The emphasis on this section was that individual employees donate to the Obama campaign completely ignoring the actual campaign donations given by the lobbying groups representing Freddie and Fanny. This little deflection leaves the reader with the image of lowly employees giving to the chosen one while the big company is giving to the Republicans.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:45pm |
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:21pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
The Founding Fathers wanted a decentralized press, if I recall my AP US history correctly. In the early years, they passed legislation to promote local news sources. They felt that a centralized press was destructive to democracy, since it was controlled by a few people and their opinions. And that's exactly what we have now, with huge corporations like the Tribune Co. owning lots of media all over the country.
So, yeah, I bet they're spinning in their graves now.
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zoidberg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:30pm |
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.
Yeah, but you can't feel good about helping the poor when there's not many poor people around! This will help create more poverty so the Democratic party can help them! Win-win!
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:53pm |
re: #138 JacksonTn
Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......
Look at this biased piece of crap from, who else, AP:
`Anti-American' comments hurt Minn. rep's campaign
Their evidence? Her opponent received $800K in donations. I promise you little or none of it came from within the district. There's no poll results, not even a comment from a single person in the district. They can spend all the money in the world, but if it's a conservative district (as it appears to be), being attacked by Chris Matthews and Nancy Pelosi will only help her.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:24pm |
re: #179 JacksonTn
agree, this election is serious.
honestly i don't know how i would handle this thrown into mix, as the adversary
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pat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:31pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama.
Read The Spike sometime. Old, but good read on the very subject.
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:36pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
what does it mean to play nice? to me supporting Obama is repugnant and against everything this country stands for. if someone comes on here in support of Obama its a downding for me. nothing personal and no inflammatory speech, but with me anyway there is no grey area where we can reach out and come together on it.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:02pm |
What kind of heartless right wing thug could possibly criticize The One at a time like this?
OK, maybe I'll start...
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:05pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
Wait- so dinging someone down is now mean? I don't think so.
Also- you want to play nice with a lot of people who will not give us the same courtesy. Sure- some 0bama supporters are nice folks. I'm related to a couple. But do you really think the people hitting ciaospirit are going to give us that courtesy? Really?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:29pm |
re: #186 Steffan
Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.
You have a concave monitor too?
/fer cryin' out loud, gang ... I'm KIDDING!
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nyc redneck Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:33pm |
re: #145 CyanSnowHawk
No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'
he is such a narcissist. it is difficult to imagine he is capable of really caring abt. anyone. that is my observation of him. a calculating, self serving thug.
who also referred to his grandmother as "a typical white person."
of course, i do wish her well if she is sick.
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J.S. Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:41pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
Here in Alberta, if a journalist had the audacity to write a critical column about (ahem) a certain party/leader (this is at the provincial level), then said journalist was, indeed, put on a black list...that meant -- no phone calls accepted, no invites, literally, the person/journalist no longer existed, they were punished...a career ender (and the politicians would play nice only with those who wrote nice things about the pols -- the double standard was obvious for all to see, the intimidation of those who refused to play along, obvious to all, etc. That's how political bosses operate...I'm sure the Obama team is very familiar with such tactics...and I expect it will continue for the duration of Obama's presence.)
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SiddFinch Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:53pm |
This column explains perfectly why I no longer trust the MSM. I have started referring to National Review as "the paper". i come here and a few other blogs to find out what the MSM is trying to hide from me. this is an excellent column and EVERY editorial page editor in the nation needs to take it to heart.
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VioletTiger Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:32pm |
re: #161 DistantThunder
Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.
Trying to head off 'ol Andy Martin perhaps?
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yah Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:50pm |
re: #137 Walter L. Newton
Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.
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Little Doxie Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:34pm |
[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]
This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:47pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
I wasn't in on the down-dinging of that post, but if someone comes in and states their opinion garnished with the thought that everyone else that disagrees is part of the frog chorus from Aristophanes, they've gotten off on the wrong foot all by themselves.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:53pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
I haven't been on most of the afternoon and evening, so to learn that USMC1968 passed away is certainly sad news. My thoughts and condolences go out to his family. And as you say, Obama supporters come in all stripes and types - and you can and should be vocal in your position, but never let it get personal. Life's way too short for that.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:54pm |
re: #205 J.S.
Didn't the 0bama campaign kick the new yorker staff out after the infamous cover?
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Charles Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:40pm |
Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:
If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:23pm |
I received a "Breaking News" e-mail about Sen. Obama's grandmother's health and his decision to call off his campaign events on Thursday and Friday to go and be with her.
First, my prayers for Mrs. Madelyn Payne Dunham, for her health and comfort.
Second, if she has been so ill these last number of days, why hasn't her grandson gone out before this?
Third, same premise as second point, why isn't he going out there tomorrow?
Something's not right about this. I have great sympathy for him in his grandma's illness, and compassion for Mrs. Dunham.
But why wait?
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jaunte Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:59pm |
re: #212 Sharmuta
Off of the plane with you!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:16pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:27pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:30pm |
re: #213 Charles
But did you think the democrats would nominate such a flaming marxist at the time? And who could have predicted the PUMAs?
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:30pm |
Sharmuta (#201),
Come on Sharmuta, it's time to accept the inevitable and begin sucking up to our new overlords.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:40pm |
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SiddFinch Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:41pm |
re: #29 ClosetConservative
Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.
it is worst than that...the secret service at the event in question said that nobody heard anyone in the crowd yell "kill him". the only person who heard it is the "reporter" who printed the lie..er.. i mean story.
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J.S. Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:13pm |
re: #212 Sharmuta
I can't recall (you're referring to that cartoon -- the one with michelle Obama wearing the combat boots with Afro, now that was funny -- btw, it was drawn by a Canadian cartoonist...got a lot of press up here...)
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ArmyWife Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:18pm |
re: #183 SpartanWoman
You are so right! I will need to remember this! Should they happen to miss the great big frowny face that I am sure they put next to my phone number and call again, I shall respond "Thank you, but no. Someone of my position simply cannot risk a sullying of reputation should passers by see your rag in my driveway. The horrors of someone thinking I've gone and turned lib!"
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:21pm |
at this point I'm so damn grateful we even have a chance! with all the media lies, voter fraud
lre: #213 Charles
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:45pm |
re: #213 Charles
Or was that a joke about McCain's RINO status?
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:59pm |
re: #189 Thanos
On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.
That's the list of who did and didn't sign Hegel's letter asking McConnell for a vote. Not signing the letter doesn't necessarily mean they supported or opposed the bill. However, if they supported the bill but didn't sign the letter, it could have been because Freddie Mac's attacks were having an impact on them.
Honestly, I am at a loss as to why an ostensibly Republican firm would accept a contract to destroy Republicans. Something here does not pass the smell test.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:01pm |
re: #219 Sharmuta
man oh man this has put the fear of Hashem back in me.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:05pm |
re: #213 Charles
Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:
Charles voted for ROMNEY in the primary. Another Cato troll. Ding him down. We can't have any of that here.
/
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bolivar Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:38pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
Gee Killgore I am not. This is a tough crowd and frankly to come in here pushing the sOcialist is just not going to go over well. We don't really mind valid and compelling discussion but, when all you put up is the usual talking points you will lose here as you should lose in real life. The fact that obambi has the media in his pocket is the only REAL reason he is polling well. If they told the truth he NEVER WOULD HAVE WON THE NOMINATION and you know it. Get over it.
And yes, anybody that supports obambi has a screw or two loose and has been leaking brain matter. I don't know of a SINGLE SUPPORTER of obambi and I live in Rhode Island the most blue state I know of. Anybody once told of his tax policy (that he has lied about repeatedly) who was a supporter of o soon moves away from the dark side of the force (no pun intended here folks). If you are not dhimmie don't bother to run for office in this state. Our Governor Carcieri is the only exception and he is an good guy facing a hopelessly dhimmie legislature. I must admit they actually agreed with his budget proposals and almost got the budget deficit fixed until the local labor goons said not so fast. Dhimmies are bad for business, babies and our general welfare. Can't you get it through your head that socialism is not a good thing and that the slippery slope is getting very steep and greased with the bs that obambi is spewing.
You will note that dhimmie and obambi are not capitalized - they don't deserve this effort.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:44pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
With the Bush Administration's Secretary of the Treasury running around Washington with his hair on fire, screaming "Panic, panic!", I'm not surprised that many Americans chalk up the economic woes confronting us to the GOP.
If Bush and Paulson are honorable, which I must assume, then they've sacrificed John McCain's prospects of election for the greater national good by addressing an economic crisis that could not have been timed worse for the Republican ticket. Had they delayed as the market tanked, and blamed the Democrats for the crisis, then they might have done better electorially, but the economy would have done much worse.
Further, cooperation with the Democrats was necessary for a legislative solution, and name-calling would have ensured the failure of any rescue package until next January. This realty forced the failing Republicans to fall on their swords for the greater good of the nation.
I'm not optimistic about this election cycle, but I am optimistic about the future of the American nation. We've weathered horrible presidents and congresses before.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:49pm |
re: #213 Charles
Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:
Lets hope you're a better web master and bike rider than political prognosticator
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lifeofthemind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:51pm |
Charles,
I use IE-7 on the PC. No big problem getting into PJM or Yahoo. Emptying cache did not help. Moving to the Macbook where Safari works fine. Logged in as my evil twin Skippy.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:58pm |
re: #215 Intrepid
Consider too that before August he hadn't seen her in 18 months.
I'm going to assume she's genuinely ill until evidence comes to the contrary, but the moment he threw her under the bus in the race speech back in the spring was the moment I really started disliking him. You just don't do that.
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:11pm |
yah (#208),
Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.
Go the "My Account" page. You can change the text sizes and styles there to suit you.
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snowcrash Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:55pm |
I don't let my side down. I won't give up until the results are in.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:48:20pm |
re: #237 Charles
I'm not ready to give up, though.
Me neither. converted a few undecideds and got some libs to turn Nader.
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:48:23pm |
re: #153 DistantThunder
Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.
Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .
/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:12pm |
A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:32pm |
re: #245 Florida Lady
Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .
/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas
I just had the same thought. Ugh.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:42pm |
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Pullus Iulius Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:10pm |
Oh, and if the McCain campaign needs any pointers on how it should conduct itself while the 0 is off in Hawaii, they need only review the 0 campaign's "restraint" while McCain was on Capitol Hill trying to deal with the debt crisis, in the service of his constituents and his country. Let the 0 seek mercy where it will. Politically, I hope we will show it none.
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Florida Lady Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:18pm |
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:39pm |
re: #213 Charles
Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:
I hope to hell you were wrong.
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Little Doxie Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:57pm |
re: #209 Little Doxie
[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]
This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.
This is the link for the lawsuit.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:01pm |
re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint
I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!
It's now at -61, including my down ding. I have respect for long-timers here, but I will not concede that an Obama presidency is "not going to be so bad for the country".
And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:32pm |
I'm keeping all my darker suspicions to myself
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:34pm |
I may have to reconsider my habitual annoyance with Noam Chomsky. While endorsing Obama, he told Der Spiegel "The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion."
So true.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:37pm |
re: #247 arethusa
I just had the same thought. Ugh.
He might want to express how grateful he is that his 96 year old mother is in such great shape.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:49pm |
If MEchelle is coming in as second string while Senator Government is gone ..... I say let's get it on .......She is no longer off limits after that NYT article on Cindy McCain ........
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logboy Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:58pm |
re: #107 Steffan
To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:02pm |
re: #246 DistantThunder
A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.
There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:04pm |
re: #246 DistantThunder
A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.
Lawsuit info link
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:12pm |
If McCain suspends his campaign too, he doesn't deserve to win a damn thing.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:55pm |
re: #254 Intrepid
And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.
Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:56pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Let me tell you about pie. There are three thousand varieties of pie, which can be prepared four hundred seven thousand different ways, and consumed million of others ways . . .z z z z z z (trance).
(Actual Obama speech, demonstrating "Milton method" of hypnosis. Is he a natural, or did he just luck out?) LOL!
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:58pm |
re: #254 Intrepid
It's now at -61, including my down ding. I have respect for long-timers here, but I will not concede that an Obama presidency is "not going to be so bad for the country".
And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.
Not so bad? It will be an unprecedented cowpile disaster!
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RedWhiteAndJew Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:03pm |
Me neither. converted a few undecideds and got some libs to turn Nader.
(emphasis mine)
That's a good strategy. Remind the typical leftist that Hussein "is so clean," and that's bound to turn off a large proportion of the hygienically impaired demographic.
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Little Doxie Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:33pm |
re: #260 doppelganglander
This one was filed on 10/18 in Hawaii, is that the same? I had seen
the earlier debunkings, thought this might be new.
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jamgarr Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:42pm |
I didn't downding but it sure seemed to me that Cato was trying to push people's buttons. Not surprised that he got mega-dinged.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:54pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:54pm |
First question from the press tomorrow:
Senator McCain, given the unfortunate circumstances with Senator Obama's grandmother, are you going to suspend your campaign?
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:06pm |
re: #181 conrad
Hi Mandy. It's listed as UPI in my paper. I guess the wire services in general are picking this one up and running with it. Doesn't surprise me.
My paper has it as AP but, the link I posted shows it originated with AP IMPACT. I wonder if the editor screwed it up.
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SpartanWoman Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:15pm |
re: #267 RedWhiteAndJew
(emphasis mine)
That's a good strategy. Remind the typical leftist that Hussein "is so clean," and that's bound to turn off a large proportion of the hygienically impaired demographic.
The Nader approach is particularly useful with green libs
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:15pm |
Really, regardless of who wins or loses - i am furious with the republican party for allowing the populace to languish in ignorance about the state of the US. The republican party needs to become a learning organization teaching future voters about the capitalist system. Kids don't learn it in school - and unless you run a small business or work on wall street people don't have an understanding of how the parts work together.
it is our reponsibility as a party to educate, educate, educate so that citizens are innocculated against this socialism Santa Claus routine.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:19pm |
re: #262 TheMatrix31
If McCain suspends his campaign too, he doesn't deserve to win a damn thing.
Are there recognized rules on this sort of thing? I mean, if a close family member of my opponent were to die (by which I mean spouse, parent, child), I'd suspend my campaign. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:20pm |
I voted for Mitt too, but I got an arranged marriage to McCain, who IS a RINO. But he is way, Way better than the Communist.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:32pm |
I lived in AZ for 25 years. I respect McCain immensely. HOWEVER, I voted for him in the Texas primary only in order to stop a potential last-gasp, party-dividing effort by Huckabee.
That said, I think McCain/Palin can, and will, take Obama (with the PUMAs considerable help.)
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:58pm |
re: #268 Little Doxie
This one was filed on 10/18 in Hawaii, is that the same? I had seen
the earlier debunkings, thought this might be new.
Looks like I was wrong and this one is new. The other one was filed by a fellow named Berg. This suit looks to be equally crackpot and pointless. He's just pimping his anti-Obama book.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:55:31pm |
re: #259 logboy
To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)
Logboy ...... thanks for posting that ...... LET'S ROLL and win this election .....for SPC Fortunato ........
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:13pm |
re: #260 doppelganglander
There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.
But I think there is suspicion that he was adopted by his indonesian father and renounced his citizenship and was not naturalized when he returned. I don't know the particulars of those laws.
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Iron Fist Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:31pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble. Now it looks like the Left, the hard Left, are fixing to take power. Bluntly, we need to be thinking hard about whatever we can do to render them, if not harmless, well, ineffectual.
Whatever it takes. We should have learned from the last 20 years. I'm not going to give them any more chance than the Left did Bush, and hopefully a lot less.
Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.
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DistantThunder Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:22pm |
Do NOT let me alone with Huckabee - he is responsible for dividing the conservative vote.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:35pm |
re: #275 arethusa
Are there recognized rules on this sort of thing? I mean, if a close family member of my opponent were to die (by which I mean spouse, parent, child), I'd suspend my campaign. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
I don't know. I wouldn't. You put out a nice statement, send your condolences, but move on. It's too late in the game, and too dire of a situation to stop campaigning for a CRUCIAL few days.
It's just not right.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:16pm |
re: #213 Charles
I initially preferred Giuliani because of his great work reducing crime and the welfare rolls here in NYC. When he dropped out, I switched to Mitt. McCain has done better than I expected, mostly because of his selection of Palin.
And love him or hate him, McCain's gift to us all is Sarah Palin, the next dynamic leader of the GOP.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:21pm |
re: #276 maddogg
I voted for Mitt too, but I got an arranged marriage to McCain, who IS a RINO. But he is way, Way better than the Communist.
I didn't want McCain either, but we have to play with the hand we're dealt. He's far better than a marxist puppet. And when it comes to energy independence, I believe he wants to solve this issue. There are some things he's stumped on that I agree with and support.
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Killer Tomato Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:41pm |
Talking with a co-worker today...
"So why are you supporting Obama? Any particular policy of his, or..."
"Oh, Teddy Kennedy is supporting him. That's good enough for me!"
*here I sit, banging head on keyboard*
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Fredlike Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:00pm |
The Hawaiian birth is not off any importance. it does not matter if Obama was born in Hawaii or in Kenya and his mother just registered his birth in Hawaii (which was allowed, and would be where the newspaper notice came from). He was a US and a Kenyan (or british commonwealth) citizen at the time either way. His Kenyan citizenship was automatically dropped when he turned 18 with out exercising his rights to it.
The interesting point is his potential Indonesian citizenship, He would have received it when adopted by his Step Father and would have had to formally renounced it. Unlike Kenya there is no automatic renouncement. So he could be a dual citizen now. I do not think he would be because his mother probably never gave up his US passport and the US would probably not have recognized the Indonesian citizenship.
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:13pm |
re: #241 Geepers
yah (#208),
Go the "My Account" page. You can change the text sizes and styles there to suit you.
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captain joe Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:24pm |
Have you noticed that the value of the Dollar has recently risen in comparison with other currencies and also with oil, the major commodity. I think the sheiks are purposely lowering the price for oil because oil is purchased with dollars and the sheiks want the value of the jillions of dollars they currently have in their banks to increase. They must be ready to buy something big.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:38pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
I didn't want McCain either, but we have to play with the hand we're dealt. He's far better than a marxist puppet. And when it comes to energy independence, I believe he wants to solve this issue. There are some things he's stumped on that I agree with and support.
I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.
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DeeAitch Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:45pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
What harm did a down ding ever do anyone? I never even check whether I get dinged. I think I'll ding you down, but I don't hate you.
And I know plenty of Obama voters. I quip at them and they quip back. I used to do this even when Democratic candidates weren't alumni of the New Left.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:46pm |
re: #282 Iron Fist
Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble.
....
Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.
Well, then McCain is your man. I'm sure it will work out great.
/
P.S. Sorry for the gay rape joke earlier but I still think it was damn funny and you have to admit you set yourself up for that one.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:56pm |
Can I share something strange I saw this afternoon?
The Kid and I drove into the park's parking lot and there was a car with bumperstickers for the state senate's Democrat contender and a sticker that read: PALIN FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS.
I was blown away!
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Iron Fist Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:12pm |
re: #237 Charles
Never give up. There's no margin in surrender. Make them work their asses off for even the tiniest insignificant gain. It should absolutely suck to be them.
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ciaospirit Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:21pm |
When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.
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bolivar Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:23pm |
re: #237 Charles
I'm not ready to give up, though.
Ditto, never give up - never surrender.....Galaxy Quest.
We just cannot afford to give up - too much depends on it. Perhaps our very lives and the lives of our children. You think this is alarmist - you are g-d right it is alarmist. We need to sound this alarm loud and long - obambi is bad for the United States and we need to make EVERY LIVING SOUL aware of that.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:52pm |
re: #259 logboy
Thank you for reposting that. Godspeed SPC Stephen Fortunato. Your family will remain in my prayers and thoughts.
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Tigger2005 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:53pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
Let's face it ... People support slavery and the dissolution of the Union. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
I'm not sure I see the difference between supporting Obama and supporting slavery (socialism) and the likely end of the Union.
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:56pm |
Iron Fist (#282),
Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble. Now it looks like the Left, the hard Left, are fixing to take power. Bluntly, we need to be thinking hard about whatever we can do to render them, if not harmless, well, ineffectual.Whatever it takes. We should have learned from the last 20 years. I'm not going to give them any more chance than the Left did Bush, and hopefully a lot less.
Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.
Hear, hear!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:58pm |
re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint
I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.
That's one way of putting it.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:01pm |
So, can anybody explain to me why when I upding someone (Sharmuta being the last one) I automatically get booted back to the front page?
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:42pm |
re: #237 Charles
We certainly shouldn't give up. Two weeks in an election cycle is an eternity.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:05pm |
re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint
I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.
By contrast, Joe Biden is not only a horrible V-P candidate, but will also make a horrible V-P if it comes to that./
*still doesn't understand why The One chose him, even though I called it in the office pool*
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:24pm |
re: #290 goddessoftheclassroom
MWAH!
BTW, I was almost on my way out of the room to watch a movie. Will probably do that in a few moments.
Did you get my email about USMC1968?
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guzziguy Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:29pm |
re: #298 ciaospirit
When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.
I may have a guess as to where to look for a suspect.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:59pm |
We can only hope Joe Biden will be giving all Senator Government's speeches in his absence .......
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:03:04pm |
re: #237 Charles
I'm not ready to give up, though.
Good news, sir. Good news.
We can win this thing if we stay the course and keep our family, friends and neighbors who are planning to vote for Mac/Sarah upbeat!
If we give in to defeatism, many will stay home on November 4. And we will be defeated, that's for sure.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:10pm |
re: #311 JacksonTn
We can only hope Joe Biden will be giving all Senator Government's speeches in his absence .......
Nope. Michelle. May she have another slip like the this-is-the-first-time-I'm-proud-of-my-country one.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:35pm |
re: #304 maddogg
So, can anybody explain to me why when I upding someone (Sharmuta being the last one) I automatically get booted back to the front page?
The lesson is, be careful where it is you put your hands upon Sharmuta.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:36pm |
re: #290 goddessoftheclassroom
Is Cato the Elder on your list? If not could you please add him?
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PrinceofGotham Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:20pm |
5 day suspension means the final 10 days they will spend $20 Million per day.
Line up with a bucket kids, it will be raining cash.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:26pm |
re: #291 captain joe
Have you noticed that the value of the Dollar has recently risen in comparison with other currencies and also with oil, the major commodity. I think the sheiks are purposely lowering the price for oil because oil is purchased with dollars and the sheiks want the value of the jillions of dollars they currently have in their banks to increase. They must be ready to buy something big.
The Presidential Election seems to be "For Sale" section of craigslist.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:30pm |
re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint
I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.
Precisely!
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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:38pm |
Some campaign news from Colorado:
Palin talks one-on-one with 9NEWS
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:44pm |
re: #315 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The lesson is, be careful where it is you put your hands upon Sharmuta.
I'll try to remember that.
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snowcrash Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:47pm |
re: #277 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Ha, I voted Hillary in the TX primary to block Obama and I'm a registered Republican. Now my voter card is stamped with Dem. until I get a new one. UGH
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:48pm |
re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat
MWAH!
BTW, I was almost on my way out of the room to watch a movie. Will probably do that in a few moments.
Did you get my email about USMC1968?
I just checked--thank you. I have tears in my eyes, but I am thankful that he is at peace and in the arms of the Lord.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:54pm |
Is Biden also running for re-election to the Senate?
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sandspur Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:14pm |
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:37pm |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
Is Cato the Elder on your list? If not could you please add him?
I will be glad to--do you think he would mind?
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:03pm |
re: #240 arethusa
Consider too that before August he hadn't seen her in 18 months.
I'm going to assume she's genuinely ill until evidence comes to the contrary, but the moment he threw her under the bus in the race speech back in the spring was the moment I really started disliking him. You just don't do that.
Who waits 18 months to see the woman who raised them? Unless they're not in the same hemisphere, which has happened to me. But still.....
Yep, when he threw her under the bus in his race speech, "My grandmother was being a typical white person", that turned me off.
No matter what, you don't throw the person who raised you, who sacrificed for you so that you could have a decent life, under the bus for political points.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:12pm |
re: #320 Gus 802
Some campaign news from Colorado:
Palin talks one-on-one with 9NEWS
So, while the media continues complaining about access to Palin, she's giving more interviews and press time than Obama and Biden combined, and Biden has to be holed up somewhere - an underground bunker in Dover perhaps, to avoid being caught saying something stupid, which is unavoidable since he's always saying something stupid.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:15pm |
I guess I should report: The Metropolitan Republican Club on the Upper East Side here in NYC was broken into, and the McCain materials vandalized. The bronze plaque that has identified the building as "The Metropolitan Republican Club" since the 1930s also was ripped off the wall at our street entrance.
We've never seen this level of violence before in a presidential election in our living memory. As Peggy Noonan said, the flying monkeys are abroad, ushering in the Obama regime.
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VioletTiger Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:16pm |
re: #298 ciaospirit
When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.
Poison ivy, gang. They may get your sign, but they'll get their gift later.
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Fredlike Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:27pm |
There is a reason it took McCain this long to get the Republican nomination. He is not a great candidate and I did not support him in the primaries. But lets face it, the others were worse campaigners even if you may have supported their positions. Maybe the conservatives splitting over Huckabee and Romney, with no counter-split by the liberals hurt the conservative side some but even without that it would have been tough for either to get the nomination.
McCain picking Palin is the only thing keeping it close. That brought back some of the social conservatives that would have sat it out otherwise. I think she will get McCain to the finish line even if she has to drag him there.
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FamHistoryGuy Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:30pm |
re: #200 The Shadow Do
His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:36pm |
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ibmkeyboard Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:39pm |
Have Faith
Many of us are now enjoying $2.69 a gallon gas.
Nancy Peloski, Harry Reid and Obamba will stop off shore oil production.
Their liberal tree hugging friends will make sure of that.
Gas will go to $6-$8 dollars a gallon.
McCain will try to keep these prices lower and maybe get a few Nuke plants up and running.
I predict by Nov. 4, election day,
gas will be 2 dollars a gallon,
McCain will win.
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nyc redneck Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:14pm |
re: #258 JacksonTn
If MEchelle is coming in as second string while Senator Government is gone ..... I say let's get it on .......She is no longer off limits after that NYT article on Cindy McCain ........
i;ve only seen glowing, fawning praise abt. the ghastly hater, michelle.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:23pm |
Taste of good news? Missouri Gov. hints that McC is leading internally.
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JHW Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:35pm |
Extract from a speech by Frederick Douglass, Jan. 13, 1865 "On the Mission of the War". I claim no exact parallels, but there are a lot of similarities;
The position of the Democratic party in relation to the war ought to surprise nobody. It is consistent with the history of the party for thirty years. Slavery, and only slavery, has been its recognized master during all that time. It early won for itself the title of being the natural ally of the South and of slavery. It has always been for peace or against peace, for war and against war, precisely as dictated by slavery. Ask why it was for the Florida War, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for the Mexican War, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for the annexation of Texas, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was opposed to habeas corpus when a Negro was the applicant, and it answers slavery. Ask why it is now in favor of the habeas corpus, when rebels and traitors are the applicants for its benefits, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for mobbing down freedom of speech a few years ago, when that freedom was claimed by the Abolitionists, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it now asserts freedom of speech, when sympathizers with traitors claim that freedom, and again slavery is the answer. Ask why it denied the right of a state to protect itself against possible abuses of the fugitive Slave Bill, and you have the same old answer. Ask why it now asserts the sovereignty of the states separately as against the states united, and again slavery is the answer. Ask why it was opposed to giving persons claimed as fugitive slaves a jury trial before returning them to slavery; ask why it is now in favor of giving jury trial to traitors before sending them to the forts for safekeeping; ask why it was for war at the beginning of the Rebellion; ask why it has attempted to embarrass and hinder the loyal government at every step of its progress, and you have but one answer, slavery.It has now assumed a saintly character. Its members would receive the benediction due to peacemakers. At one time they would stop bloodshed at the South by inaugurating bloody revolution at the North. The livery of peace is a beautiful livery, but in this case it is a stolen livery and sits badly on the wearer. These new apostles of peace call themselves Peace Democrats, and boast that they belong to the only party which can restore the country to peace. I neither dispute their title nor the pretensions founded upon it. The best that can be said of the peacemaking ability of this class of men is their bitterest condemnation. It consists in their known treachery to the loyal government. They have but to cross the rebel lines to be hailed by the traitors as countrymen, clansmen, kinsmen, and brothers beloved in a common conspiracy. But, fellow-citizens, I have far less solicitude about the position and the influence of this party than I have about that of the great loyal party of the country. We have much less to fear from the bold and shameless wickedness of the one than from the timid and short-sighted policy of the other.
I know we have recently gained a great political victory; but it remains to be seen whether we shall wisely avail ourselves of its manifest advantages. There is danger that, like some of our Generals in the field, who, after soundly whipping the foe, generously allow him time to retreat in order, reorganize his forces, and intrench himself in a new and stronger position, where it will require more power and skill to dislodge him than was required to vanquish him in the first instance. The game is now in our hands. We can put an end to this disloyal party by putting an end to Slavery. While the Democratic party is in existence as an organization, we are in danger of a slaveholding peace,
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:44pm |
re: #323 goddessoftheclassroom
I just checked--thank you. I have tears in my eyes, but I am thankful that he is at peace and in the arms of the Lord.
See Killgore's just a few up re Cato
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nikis-knight Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:48pm |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?
I don't really think a down-ding is all that "mean". And Cato kind of asked for it, the way he poisoned the well.
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:17pm |
If I were in the McCain camp I would be looking for something big to announce on Thursday, the day Obama is taking off for Hawaii. not a negative attack, some kind of new initiative, or a big positive speech on the economy and/or foreign policy. maybe a big endorsement if he has any left. something that will grab the attention in a positive way while Obama is doing whatever he is doing in Hawaii.
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:21pm |
re: #280 DistantThunder
But I think there is suspicion that he was adopted by his indonesian father and renounced his citizenship and was not naturalized when he returned. I don't know the particulars of those laws.
A parent can't renounce citizenship on behalf of a child. (And if anyone were to renounce citizenship, it would be his mother. Lolo worked for an American company and was baffled by Ann's anti-American attitude.) It seems that under Indonesian law at the time, you had to be an Indonesian citizen to enroll in school. Little Barry was enrolled by his stepfather as a Muslim under the name Barry Soetoro. That may indicate an adoption, or maybe just a little deception to put the kid in school.
To complicate matters, Barack was a citizen by birth of the British Empire, which controlled Kenya in 1961, through his father. When Kenya became independent, he acquired Kenyan citizenship. Kenya does not recognize dual citizenship for adults. At his 21st birthday, he would have had to renounce his U.S. citizenship and get a Kenyan passport, which he did not do. So at least we know he's not a Kenyan citizen.
However, when Barack went to Pakistan on his magical mystery tour in 1981, he allegedly traveled on his Indonesian passport. (He also swung by Indonesia to see mom and sis.) This was handy, since at the time Pakistan was on a State Department list of countries that were off limits to Americans. Obviously Indonesia only gives passports to Indonesian citizens. I have no information on how or when he acquired that passport, whether it ever expired, or what happened later. I also have no idea what the State Department would have to say about an American citizen over the age of 18 holding an Indonesian passport. I tend to think they frown on such shenanigans.
I'm sorry this is so long-winded, and probably contains more information than you ever wanted to hear. I hope some of it is helpful.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:24pm |
re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom
do you think he would mind?
I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:28pm |
re: #325 sandspur
The media will focus on the part where it was GOPers who were being lobbied and McCain taking on the lobbyist from Freddie Mac, but ignore that it was Freddie Mac who was doing the secret deal with the firm to lobby against additional regs, and it was Freddie that was cooking the books.
Johnson and Raines have to be held accountable for their actions as head of Fannie and Freddie, and yet they're busy advising Obama's campaign (and Johnson was on the VP search committee).
Guess which part gets more coverage and attention - that's right - McCain hiring the lobbyist, not Obama's close ties of his own to Fannie and Freddie.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:31pm |
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yah Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:45pm |
re: #241 Geepers
thanks Geepers - yes it is neat that I can change the fonts, but there is not a choice for a bigger font for the quoted text. I just need to put the old bent out of shape $2.95 reading glasses on. Maybe I'll spring for a new pair when I get my Obama tax cut. But I'll be seeing nothing but red then!
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:42pm |
re: #324 Taqyia2Me
Is Biden also running for re-election to the Senate?
Yeah. I heard that if he becomes V-P, his son Beau - the Attorney General of DE - will take his seat over.
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Little Doxie Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:42pm |
re: #333 FamHistoryGuy
His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.
Actually not going until Thursday or Friday and coming back Saturday
per Greta's Blog.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:56pm |
re: #335 ibmkeyboard
Have Faith
Many of us are now enjoying $2.69 a gallon gas.
Nancy Peloski, Harry Reid and Obamba will stop off shore oil production.Their liberal tree hugging friends will make sure of that.
Gas will go to $6-$8 dollars a gallon.McCain will try to keep these prices lower and maybe get a few Nuke plants up and running.
I predict by Nov. 4, election day,
gas will be 2 dollars a gallon,McCain will win.
2 dollar gas in the US is like 65 cents in Canada. We haven't seen that in years.
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Gus 802 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:59pm |
re: #329 lawhawk
That's about the size of it. Biden hasn't done a press conference in over a month but all we hear from "the press" is silence on that issue. Palin has become far more accessible.
Also read that Palin might have attracted a crowd of around 20,000 in Grand Junction. So much for the false reports from CNN.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:09pm |
re: #337 Badge of Kaffir Pride
Taste of good news? Missouri Gov. hints that McC is leading internally.
I said this last night...McCain DOES NOT look like someone who is sweating bullets and worried to death about this election. Obama ALWAYS over-polls. There were many, many primaries where he had a big lead and lost and also when exit polling proclaimed him the winner and he lost. All true. We have seen it over and over again. The people of this country are not going to let some left-wingnut, inexperienced, criminally associated, baggage-laden sham of a man get near the White House.
Damn, I love PUMAs.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:20pm |
re: #343 Killgore Trout
I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.
Add him. This is a community.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:24pm |
re: #333 FamHistoryGuy
His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.
She may have come home to die. Hospitals and all..
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:05pm |
re: #347 arethusa
Yeah. I heard that if he becomes V-P, his son Beau - the Attorney General of DE - will take his seat over.
So he is NOT getting the Bob Dole treatment. Imagine that.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:05pm |
re: #330 quickjustice
We've never seen this level of violence before in a presidential election in our living memory. As Peggy Noonan said, the flying monkeys are abroad, ushering in the Obama regime.
But, we have seen this sort of violence in, let's guess, Germany, in the 1930's. Hmmm...
And now, everyone who doesn't agree with the One, is a racist. Hmmm... let's guess what term was used in Germany in the 1930's... dirty Jew maybe.
And where in the past did we find the media so in the tank for a candidate, almost "lock step," let's guess... Germany in the 1930's.
Vu Deja, I don't think I've been here before!
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:10pm |
re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom
Please add my husband too, he has cancer.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:16pm |
re: #341 alien_mind
If I were in the McCain camp I would be looking for something big to announce on Thursday, the day Obama is taking off for Hawaii. not a negative attack, some kind of new initiative, or a big positive speech on the economy and/or foreign policy. maybe a big endorsement if he has any left. something that will grab the attention in a positive way while Obama is doing whatever he is doing in Hawaii.
Who's left on the Repub. side that could be a big endorsement?
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:31pm |
re: #343 Killgore Trout
I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.
I couldn't care less if anyone ELSE objected--I hold up all who need prayer. I just wouldn't want to offend someone by appearing presumptuous. I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:31pm |
re: #296 MandyManners
There are Democrats who believe that Palin helps them. I've met plenty of them here in NYC. Liberal women, in particular, go NUTS at the mention of her name. There's real rage there. This guy may be trying to surf those emotions with his base.
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nikis-knight Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:45pm |
re: #213 Charles
Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:
Charles, I pray you have to eat those words, no offense. I'm sure it will taste sweet compared to what being right entails. :(
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:47pm |
re: #298 ciaospirit
When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.
My sign went missing Saturday night. The other two McCain signs in the subdivision were untouched. I think my neighbors just don't like me because my yard doesn't look like a putting green.
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right_on_target Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:06pm |
re: #271 The Shadow Do
First question from the press tomorrow:
Senator McCain, given the unfortunate circumstances with Senator Obama's grandmother, are you going to suspend your campaign?
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I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:32pm |
Have faith, McCain will win this election. Most Americans know the difference between Joe the Plumber and Joe the Bummer, truth and propaganda, substance and hype, honest voters and vote cheats, patriots and communists, and so forth...
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:48pm |
re: #357 twincitiesgirl
Please add my husband too, he has cancer.
{twincitiesgirl}
I am so sorry. I will certainly add him--and you.
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ClosetConservative Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:50pm |
Has anybody seen the NYT article in which they accused McCain supporters of being crazy after someone ALLEGEDLY shouted 'kill him'? I thought I saw it on the front page a couple days back, but I can't seem to find it on their website...
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Geepers Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:06pm |
Killgore Trout (#295),
P.S. Sorry for the gay rape joke earlier but I still think it was damn funny and you have to admit you set yourself up for that one.
Dinging down a post you disagree with: intolerantly mean.
Making gay rape jokes about a poster: A-OK (because you asked for it.)
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:31pm |
re: #352 Sharmuta
Damn, I love PUMAs.
I'm beginning to. Hill and McC would have been a great campaign. I think they mutually respect one another judging by past meetings and the dinner speech the other night.
How loud would the cheers be if McC pulled off a victory like RCP's got Obama having at the moment?
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:32pm |
re: #350 taxfreekiller
So, the McCain bunch leaks that it is conserving cash for a huge push the last week , Sat. if memory is correct. Now Obama makes the move to go see grandma and save money and be ready to match McCain's push.
like that
Watching all of the war shows on History International, I am bombarded with Zero commercials. A waste of his money, guys watching those shows aren't gonna vote for a milksop communist.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:34pm |
re: #363 right_on_target
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I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.
Step-grandmothers maybe?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:46pm |
re: #343 Killgore Trout
I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.
I vote for adding him too.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:06pm |
re: #362 doppelganglander
My sign went missing Saturday night. The other two McCain signs in the subdivision were untouched. I think my neighbors just don't like me because my yard doesn't look like a putting green.
Come on out to the burbs. McCain/Palin signs (outnumbering Obama sings 20-1) are untouched. On my drive into Atlanta I have seen the same ones on th same lawns untouched for over a month now
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unclassifiable Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:19pm |
I will vote for McCain but I have to tell you that I am with tfk on the continued viability of the two party system.
Having participated in a few state conventions I cannot express the level of frustration created by the groupthink of both parties.
There are good ideas but you constantly hear of that they are "too simplistic".
Or better yet, there are pointed questions that get nothing but personal attacks and derision in return.
I'm not sure what will happen two years from now but when the full force of the current economic crisis hits home coupled with either stultifying gridlock or a march towards a system of government that has time and time again proven its utter contempt for the individual perhaps it will be time to understand that that a hockey mom, a plumber, or a construction worker is fully capable of leading this country as well as a Rhodes Scholar or a gifted orator is capable of running it into the ground.
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logboy Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:30pm |
re: #261 unrealizedviewpoint
Is that something tangible we should be looking into? Or is it just another youtube propaganda video?
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:40pm |
re: #350 taxfreekiller
So, the McCain bunch leaks that it is conserving cash for a huge push the last week , Sat. if memory is correct. Now Obama makes the move to go see grandma and save money and be ready to match McCain's push.
like that
He's not suspending campaigning. Biden's events will go on, and Michelle will take The One's place on Friday. So the ads will also still go on, I think.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:53pm |
I am heading off to fire up the TV and put "Battle of Britain" into the DVD player -- for an evening of drooling over Spits and Hurricanes.
{goddess}
/and no, Sharmuta, I ain't gettin' anywhere NEAR you!
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DeeAitch Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:54pm |
I wish we had a Fred Thompson/Palin ticket. Supporting a candidate who does not have the love of his own side (who isn't even on the side of his own side) is not pleasant to begin with. To be saddened that the candidate you don't like to begin with is losing, feels ridiculous.
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willowone Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:03pm |
re: #366 ClosetConservative
oops i hit upding when i meant reply: yes it was said by a Reporter, SS investigated it wasn't supportable allegation.
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HelloDare Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:06pm |
On 2/27/03, the NYT chastised Bush for focusing on nation-building not WMD in the upcoming war with Iraq. It's in the Spinoff Links upstairs.
PRESIDENT BUSH'S NATION-BUILDING
Published: February 27, 2003
President Bush sketched an expansive vision last night of what he expects to accomplish by a war in Iraq. Instead of focusing on eliminating weapons of mass destruction, or reducing the threat of terror to the United States, Mr. Bush talked about establishing a ''free and peaceful Iraq'' that would serve as a ''dramatic and inspiring example'' to the entire Arab and Muslim world, provide a stabilizing influence in the Middle East and even help end the Arab-Israeli conflict.
The idea of turning Iraq into a model democracy in the Arab world is one some members of the administration have been discussing for a long time. But it is not one that Mr. Bush has devoted much effort to selling to the American people. Most Americans would certainly rally around the idea of a strong, stable and open government in Iraq. But they haven't been prepared for the cost of such an undertaking. For most people, the vision of a new gulf war is one of relatively quick victory, not years of American occupation.
In a speech to the American Enterprise Institute, the president described an undertaking that resembled American efforts in post-World-War-II Japan and Germany. This week Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, said he believed that hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have to remain on Iraqi soil to create a stable environment for democratic change. Mr. Bush, a man who ran for office scoffing at the idea of ''nation-building,'' is now betting his presidency on that idea.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:16pm |
re: #345 unrealizedviewpoint
It was a few columns back. "Flying monkeys" is her phrase to describe this dark election cycle. "Ushering in the Obama regime" is mine.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:26pm |
re: #357 twincitiesgirl
God Bless you. You will all certainly be in my prayers.
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Gorgon Zola Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:30pm |
Fairness Doctrine,,will it mean Levin, Ingrahn, Hannity, and Rush can do their show and THEN the Lib comes on at the end(paid for by the taxpayer),,, or does it mean such shows will have to have the Lib view liberally salted throughout the show?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:43pm |
re: #333 FamHistoryGuy
His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.
Maybe he is checking himself into rehab for a few days, The Shadow said sarcastically.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:15pm |
re: #383 Gorgon Zola
Fairness Doctrine,,will it mean Levin, Ingrahn, Hannity, and Rush can do their show and THEN the Lib comes on at the end(paid for by the taxpayer),,, or does it mean such shows will have to have the Lib view liberally salted throughout the show?
option #2 ,, equal time for "opposing" views
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Globular Cluster Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:33pm |
Oh brother. Obama's grandmother gets sick, and right on cue Obama will use this to raise sympathy for his campaign. I'm sure everyone will expect that McCain suspend his campaign, and of course this is not a ploy like it was with McCain suspending his for the financial meltdown. I wonder how many publicity photos there will be. An how often did he visit her before? Lots of trips to Hawaii?
It is interesting to think what the best course of action is for the McCain campaign. Will Obama be removing his TV ads?
My advice is to cancel all negative advertisements, keep the positive ones, and continue to stump.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:42pm |
re: #363 right_on_target
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I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.
Shameful confession, my grandmother died multiple times while I was in college. Granny was a toughie.
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Iron Fist Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:50pm |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I left myself open to that shot. I think my point, if not my wording of it, is correct. The more Gays tie themselves to things like the Folsom Street fair, the worse their position becomes vis-a-vis Gay rights. As I said, Andrew Sullivan is the guy who convinced me that Gay Marriage should be opposed.
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JacksonTn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:58pm |
re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride
Who's left on the Repub. side that could be a big endorsement?
I am thinking McCain already got a big endorsement ...... Biden .....
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:01pm |
re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom
I couldn't care less if anyone ELSE objected--I hold up all who need prayer. I just wouldn't want to offend someone by appearing presumptuous. I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.
Isn't there also a "thinking of you" list for the non-believing lizards? He might prefer that one.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:10pm |
re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom
I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.
Cool, I'll let you know. thanks.
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nyc redneck Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:25pm |
his handlers are essentially trying to buy the office of potus for him.
they have enough money to think they can do it.
i would so love to see mccain/palin give them a beat down.
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nikis-knight Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:32pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.
I'm sure if he popped on to reminisce and chat about personal issues he would have plenty of sympathy.
He came on to ask if we would think Obama wouldn't really be so bad, or were we all mindless drones (or something to that effect). So he got down-dinged and generally respectful rebuttals (to what points weren't vague hopenchange generalities.)
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arethusa Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:46pm |
re: #360 quickjustice
Remember how Democrats used to tell Republicans, "Hate is not a family value"? Every time I read about a Palin hater I want to remind them of that.
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Bobibutu Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:04pm |
re: #215 Intrepid
I received a "Breaking News" e-mail about Sen. Obama's grandmother's health and his decision to call off his campaign events on Thursday and Friday to go and be with her.
First, my prayers for Mrs. Madelyn Payne Dunham, for her health and comfort.
Second, if she has been so ill these last number of days, why hasn't her grandson gone out before this?
Third, same premise as second point, why isn't he going out there tomorrow?
Something's not right about this. I have great sympathy for him in his grandma's illness, and compassion for Mrs. Dunham.
But why wait?
My compassion as well.
However I do question the timing as do you.
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maddogg Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:05pm |
Was Zero carrying a foundation jack when he went off to see Granny?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:14pm |
re: #388 The Shadow Do
Shameful confession, my grandmother died multiple times while I was in college. Granny was a toughie.
COLLEGE DEAN "Son, how do you explain that?"
STUDENT,, "Well Dean, she got better!"
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alien_mind Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:22pm |
re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride
i couldn't think of any, thats why I said "if any". I'm just saying that whatever they got I would go with it big time that day.
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goddessoftheclassroom Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:53pm |
re: #391 doppelganglander
Isn't there also a "thinking of you" list for the non-believing lizards? He might prefer that one.
I only keep the Lizard Prayer List.
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Intrepid Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:04pm |
re: #263 Killgore Trout
Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.
I have compassion for those who are dying, absolutely. May God bless them and give them comfort, strength and blessing in their final days. And May He bless their family with peace throughout the whole process.
But that does not negate the main point of his post - that we should accept an Obama presidency, and in a way, embrace it. Even before it's a reality. Even before the final votes are counted.
If I happened to be on my deathbed, I would not ever suggest that my family or friends embrace socialism for the cause of peace.
Sorry - I don't mean to be heartless to the OP there. But I'd expect my family and friends to fight on for what is right, for the continuation of our Republic and for freedom and not to give in to some golden-tongued, corrupt, inexperienced pretty face/empty suit who would bring our country to the point of ruination.
But, that's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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neocon hippie Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:27pm |
re: #39 Shiplord Kirel
Great post!
I believe you are correct. The Democrat party, the media and entertainment worlds, and a goodly chunk of the corporate world are one seamless entity. With the academic world closely related.
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quickjustice Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:38pm |
re: #383 Gorgon Zola
"Fairness doctrine" means Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. are GONE. That's because it requires the radio stations to provide FREE broadcast time to opposing viewpoints. The economics of "fairness doctrine" don't work to permit talk radio.
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doppelganglander Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:59pm |
re: #372 sattv4u2
Come on out to the burbs. McCain/Palin signs (outnumbering Obama sings 20-1) are untouched. On my drive into Atlanta I have seen the same ones on th same lawns untouched for over a month now
Oh, I am in the 'burbs. Like I said, I really don't think my neighbors like me. It's either that or just a couple of teenagers. I actually got a replacement sign but my daughter is giving it to her friend. I'd rather encourage a young conservative than worry about my yard.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:22:21pm |
re: #396 Bobibutu
My compassion as well.
However I do question the timing as do you.
Any further word on what the fuss is over at the Chicago Tribune?
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:22:28pm |
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