I do recommend that everyone read this, it's a very good but concise summary of how badly journalism is failing.

The Media are the enemy.

Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?

AMEN!

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

Amen.

An honest dem? Wow. Better keep him in the original packaging. A rare collectable like that is bound to go up in value!

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

re: #2 Iron Fist

The Media are the enemy.

Fellow travelers. Liberals, especially far left marxist types (like Obama) are the enemy.

re: #7 Outrider

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

I suspect J-school is a large part of the problem.

Buzzed n' plussed...

I hope that means he is voting McCain/Palin this time around - especially since NC is considered a swing state this year...

All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.

They are always polling McCain/Palin.

I give the MSM a 13%

I give LGF ----------86%

/can't get a 100% because Charles has to use some Bird Cage articles.

This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.

Obama IS Ender...trained by Ayers of course ;)

One of the best articles I've seen this political season. It's criminal how the media in general has distorted or ignored the origins of the financial crisis. It, it some ways, reminds me of Soviet "journalism". The commisar vanishes.

re: #7 Outrider

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

I wouldn't mind them calling themselves journalists and printing whatever garbage they like, if they conformed to two rules:

1) Stop pretending that there is such an animal as "journalistic ethics."

2) Whatever you print has to be labeled truthfully as "objective facts," "my own opinion," or "advocacy of something I want you to believe."

The big problem is that the MSM pretend to be bastions of objective and honest reporting, when in fact they are propaganda organs. That's why it took The National Enquirer to break the John Edwards love child story: they are interested in fascinating facts, wherever they lead, whereas the MSM is only interested in fascinating facts that lead to the political conclusions they support.

Orson Scott Card may be right on on this article, but the man has been known to be all over the spectrum. He is pro-gun control, homophobic, anti-fossil fuel, anti-global warming and highly critical of capitalism.

So, one thing for sure, he's hard to nail down.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I say Card and Joe The Plumber for 2012!

re: #3 RedWhiteAndJew

Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?

Yes. What's it for? Sarah?

I think he got it - spot on. Though loathe to quote the French on anything, they also know to cherchez l'argent (or la femme, in the case of Bill Clinton). NO reporter "journalist" today is following the money trail and it's a despicable neglect of journalistic responsibility.

Well, lookee here!

WASHINGTON (AP) — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.

Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.

In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.

SNIP

What last honest reporter?

It's a compelling read.

The lights are still off.

re: #12 Tigger2005

All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.

Oh, and of course, be sure to credit Orson Scott Card!

That was one of the best articles I have read in a while.

Good on Card.

Yes. What's it for? Sarah?

Yep. It's supposed to be reminiscent of those ubiquitous OBX stickers you see everywhere.

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

They end up worse off than before.

"We're the government, and we're here to help you".

re: #27 taxfreekiller

Just take a look at our U.S. Senate.
There before you Lt. for life John F. Kerry, liar, fraud, traitor, fake awards and citations self-made in a war zone. 40 years later only by the support of the AP ect. co-liars and fraud of the msm etal , he sits the front page news photo op of it all.

We brought him down,
Obamba deserves the same trip.

re: #17 stuiec

I don't think its really EVER been true that newspapers and the like have been truly objective, but there was a time when they tried, at least, to convey that impression.

I also think the solution to the problem of biased press is more press.

There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.

What we need isn't to bury the legacy leftist press, but to build up a functional alternative. Fox news is a start, as it Pajamas media and this website.

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd ALLEGEDLYshouted something uncouth.

which the Secret Service has repudiated

fixed

re: #32 looking closely

There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.

During the time of the Partisan Press, left and right had no meaning.

Powell makes no sense. Everything he "knows" about Plain he has learned by watching the Media Filtered version of reality. Powell never even MET the VP candidate for his OWN party! He just sits around and watches TV.
WTF.

These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):

Obama Supporters Getting in Faces in Ohio

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

"You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city."

I think it is much, much bigger than that: The Democratic Party is the political arm of the media-industrial complex.
Journalism (ie reporting and commentary) cannot be isolated from its corporate affiliates, entertainment and advertising. They are all part of the media spectrum and there is plainly a great deal of cross-pollination among them. Political propaganda and advocacy are a branch of advertising; personnel, themes, and metholology flow freely from one branch to another. Look at the number of lefty journalists who started as sportscasters, a professional amalgam of entertainment and journalism with a very heavy dose of ad culture tossed in.
Note how the basic socio-cultural themes of the left reflect the value system of the media/advertising/entertainment spectrum: acceptance of deviant behavior and substance abuse, unearned gratification, radical politics, nihilism, celebrity worship, sound-bite rhetoric, moral authoritarianism, egocentricity and greed.

The left as we know it today is not the left of Eugene Debs or Robert LaFollette, let alone Karl Marx; it is essentially an advertising gimmick run amok.
For more on this symbiosis of media and the political left, see Thomas Frank's remarkable cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism

Ahhhh- reporting truth died years ago

Say, we need 3 more in the lounge for FREE PEANUTS from OE- come on in!

These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.

Our brethren and sisteren would do well to remember this, every time they hear of the latest "poll results."

As Sean Hannity says, "Let not your heart be troubled."

re: #35 odinga

These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.

Since they live and die professionally on public opinion, and since the media helps create (or in some cases entirely creates) it, to them the Media is the only reality that matters.

That why so many of them try to spin stories and fix blame instead of fixing problems.

WTF OF THE DAY!

Sorry all. I just posted this on another thread, but fear it will get lost. Here it is again!

Wow! That's all I can say.
Hi folks. I picked up my local paper and splashed across the front page in giant letters was a headline so shockingly hypocritical that my jaw hit the floor. The UPI through their reporter Pete Yost is trying to say that the Republicans were the ones who stopped any regulatory rules on Freddie Mac and Fannie May. Furthermore, they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations. Then, it goes further by trying to paint the Republicans as the reason behind the entire crisis

Linked here:
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

After some research, I found the original article in the HUFFINGTON POST! It was written by an anti republican hack named Pete Yost who wrote the "news" for the HuffPo yesterday and this story has been disseminated throughout the UPI news links in many small town papers today.

link here:
[Link: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]...]

I couldn't believe it! When Democrats were shown to have been the corrupt politicians in this mess, not a word from the press. The HuffPo prints out a poorly researched hit piece blaming republicans and it's front page news in my local paper. WTF?

It's one thing to lie poorly, but another to do so in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary already out there made me want to let my fellow lizards know this.

Charles are you interested in taking this further?

When the one-term Obama and his New International Society are discredited, and The One is voted out of office, the most long-lasting consequence may be the wholesale rejection of resurgent Yellow Journalism. The cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct. It's a shame, because bloggers do not (yet) have the professional resources and reach to do first-hand reporting, relying on parsing numerous first-hand sources. Now we can't even know what is a reliable first-hand source and what is not and must employ the smell test. The concept of "facts" is already widely disputed, and not only by radical deconstructionists.

Journalism has to ally itself with science. Schools of journalism, following the decline of the NYT, WP, AP, Reuters, etc., will have to reformulate themselves. New fact-gathering agencies will have to arise.

Of course, maybe the shame of being wrong that a few years of an Obama administration may result in self-imposed reformation of the present news-gathering agencies... When non-Halal porcine animals evolve wings, perhaps...

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):

Obama Supporters Getting in Faces in Ohio

I don't think that I made it to minute three of that vid...these people are foul.

re: #43 conrad

It's not UPI. It's AP. See my No. 22.

Actually, there is no media. If you can't get your information off the web, you are limited to a propaganda machine that assumes you need to be told what to think by leftist elitists. And why not? They have dumbed down the school system to the point that critical thought is virtually a lost art. And it works in their direction. Why would they want to change it?

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

It's a shame McCain won't take advantage of this.

re: #1 Thanos

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

re: #14 code red 21

This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.

Indeed. And there will be no pork in the treetops this year!

Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space

Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 million

May they die agonizing deaths.

Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.

re: #43 conrad

they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations.

From the article:

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000.

Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.

re: #49 Tigger

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

This is why I think we're unlikely to see the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Why would Obama damage his most valuable asset?

Got this in an email. Worth spreading around. Probably fairly accurate:

Here are some of the things we might look forward to in the next two years -

- Tax increases (obviously)
- Restoration of welfare through "tax credits" (= direct cash payouts).
- Outlawing of semi-auto assault rifles
- Outlawing magazines over X rounds for non-military rifles
- Fairness Doctrine
- Net neutrality
- Internet tax
- Socialized health care & eventually rationing
- Withdrawal from Iraq
- Deep defense budget cuts
- End of missile defense
- End of illegal immigration enforcement, border security
- End of secret ballot for union elections
- On the spot voter registration (just show up)
- Federal funding of ACORN and other leftist groups
- Participation in Int'l Criminal Court
- Support international regulations on securities markets, banking
- Support global carbon tax
- Billions of new taxes on corporations through "carbon credit" payments
- End of standards in public schools

Some other possiblities:
- Prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld for war crimes
- New laws against home schooling
- Outlaw fee-for-service health care & doctor choice
- Mandated drug prices (=stifle new drug research)
- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College
- Reparations payments to blacks for slavery
- End of tax exempt status for churches preaching that homosexuality is a sin or other "political" speech
- Expanded "hate speech" laws to include any speech that is politically incorrect.

Except for the reparations to blacks, I think its pretty spot on.

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Advocacy is the antithesis of Journalism.

Until this code returns, the "news" will be predictably old.

As the Emperor's Empty Suit cries out for an honest eye .

The average pump price has fallen 57 cents a gallon in the last two weeks because of cheaper crude oil and lower petroleum demand.
Falling gasoline prices act like a tax cut for consumers

Thank You John McCain.

Stick that in your "Plumbers Crack" and Smoke it Bambi.

re: #56 Maine's Michael

- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College

I think those two might be bogus.

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.

I know, especially these days.

I don't mind the fact that there are those that have a different opinion than mine....what scares me is the rabid following of that opposition. I can appreciate a good debate based on the merits of the differences between the parties, but these days there are few that argue the merits...it's all name calling and race baiting. Mr. Card is that rare individual who actually looks at both sides of the picture and isn't afraid to call his party to the carpet when it is deserved.

I'd have him as a guest at a dinner party anytime...

re: #51 Onslow

Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space

Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 million

May they die agonizing deaths.

Yep. Now that I can get listings online for movies I don't even need a local paper. And ads/coupons are esily found in store or online

ciaospirit (#38),

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

Stop asking me questions. That's, like, hard and stuff.

re: #22 MandyManners

Well, lookee here!

WASHINGTON (AP) — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

SNIP

Go figure, they didn't have to target Dems to defeat it because they were already in with Freddy and Fannie.

Great stuff. The dems will only see his typo of calling Franklin Raines 'Freddie' Raines, unfortunately.

Excellent rant, though. A lot of irrefutable facts here.

Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

When a representative called my home, selling subscriptions to the Dayton Daily WorkerNews, I informed him that I could not give my coin to a rag that was incapable of reporting reality, in lieu of the leftist fantasies they normally print. His response was that most people who object to its political stance complain it's too conservative. I bought more car insurance the next day.

re: #15 Indymaestro

Obama IS Ender...trained by Ayers of course ;)

Please don't insult Ender.

re: #38 ciaospirit

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

No! lol

I didn't, but watched it anyway. Wow, those were some stupid people. Especially the guy at the end.

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Throw Grandma under the train--- [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

re: #37 JeremyR

Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.

There's a lot of subtle bias, too. Yesterday I attended a local rally of small business owners for McCain. It was probably barely a hundred people, but the local (last place rated) TV news tried to make it look even smaller. All their footage was taken before the rally began, showing a few people scattered on benches or milling about. No shots of the tightly packed group listening to the speakers and applauding, of course.

re: #22 MandyManners

Well, lookee here!

WASHINGTON (AP) — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

SNIP

Mandy, Am I dense tonight or is there an inconsistency between the headline and the last paragraph?

His typical sick white grandmother, perchance?

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.

re: #57 Charles

I think Obama can take off as much time as he needs. He can just phone it in at this point.

re: #44 Purple Prose

Excellent post.

"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.

re: #49 Tigger

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

Good for you! I haven't taken the daily paper in over ten years, but then I am what marketeers like to call "an early adaptor".

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I think those two might be bogus.

I do believe that both would require Constitutional amendments.

Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Maybe he needs to cover some ILWU/Soetoro tracks or something...

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Must be nice to have the election already in the bag.

/Perhaps he's suspending his campaign due to the health care crisis in Hawaii for children?

//Perhaps he's on the lookout for his birth certificate?

re: #73 RedWhiteAndJew

Sorry,, Had to ding you down. I know what you meant, but it just doesn't olook right IMHO

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

Indeed. They are the unpaid propaganda arm of democrat party, and they have revealed themselves as such in this election. They will get theirs- it's only a matter of time.

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

IIRC, the last time he and the family went to Hawaii (this summer), only Obama went to visit Grandma while Michelle and the kids didn't, which seemed very odd.

Am I remembering that correctly?

re: #56 Maine's Michael

That pretty much looks like the real Democratic platform to me.

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

re: #58 taxfreekiller

So, Obama is going to see his sick grandmother.

before we say any thing, find out how often he
went to see her over the last 20 years.

For as long a Barry can remember, he has considered her a silent mentor, even if a typical white woman.

I feel sorry for anyone that has a loss in their family .......but does this mean the press will "go easy" on him while he is visiting his grandmother .....No joke ..... I mean do you think they will now say it is in bad taste to say anything about him now ....I mean even more than they say it now ......

re: #53 MandyManners

So they're conflating payment for work done by a lobbying firm (all completely legal, by the way) with campaign donations. It must have been a terrible shock to them to learn that consultants do what their clients pay them to do, and few have the luxury of turning away business.

re: #51 Onslow

Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space

Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 million

May they die agonizing deaths.

Heh.

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

Yes.

re: #79 lifeofthemind

Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?

Could it be related to this?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Charles,

Very convenient time for his grandma to get sick. He gets to visit here, and America gets reminded he's not so scary.

'Look, he has nice little old (white) gramma, and she's sick, poor thing. But he's such a good grandson! How bad can he be?'

I'm going to cynic myself right to hell . . .

But Obama is good. REAL good.

re: #57 Charles

I wish his Grandmother well. Regardless of her political leanings, it is my opinion she got the short end of the stick from Barry - she raised him when his father and then mother (and I guess step father) abandoned him. But who does Barry invoke during story telling hour at the end of each speech and debate? His deadbeat dad. So, Grandmother whatever your last name is, even if you happen to be a left leaning kook, you deserved better than what you got, and may you get well soon to beat him about the head and shoulders with the nearest object to your bed when he arrives.

*Disclaimer* I am not advocating physical violence. Just figurative violence.

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

It is indeed.

Card's political essays... and he and Lieberman are the only two real "neo-cons" I know of... are collected at: [Link: www.ornery.org...]

You can follow the "World Watch" link on the left to a collection of all his weekly op-ed columns. Although, I don't agree with him 100%, his essays are always well-constructed and definitely worth reading.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Yes.

Then I am buying that book on the way home tonight.

I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......

re: #96 maddogg

Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?

Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."

Who knows what is real with the Obamas. Maybe he'll buy granny a lobster dinner and some Iranian caviar. That oughta help

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

I hope she's better soon.

Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.

I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Injured by a bus, I suspect.

re: #103 Sharmuta

I hope she's better soon.

Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.

You mean like Tony Snow .......

re: #17 stuiec

"Journalistic ethics" is an oxymoron.

OT: Specialist Stephen Fortunato was killed last week, in Afghanistan, by an IED. He left behind a blog entry (emphasis mine):

I'd like to say something....Just to get it out there so it is clear.
To all the pampered and protected Americans who feel it is their duty to inform me that I am not fighting for their freedom, and that i am a pawn in Bush's agenda of greed and oil acquisition: Noted, and [expletive deleted] You.

I am not a robot. i am not blind or ignorant to the state of the world or the implications of the "war on terrorism." i know that our leaders have made mistakes in the handling of a very sensitive situation, but do not for one second think that you can make me lose faith in what we, meaning America's sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers in uniform are doing.

I am doing my part in fighting a very real enemy of the United States, i.e. Taliban, Al Qaida, and various other radical sects of Islam that have declared war on our way of life. Unless you believe the events of 9/11 were the result of a government conspiracy, which by the way would make you a MORON, there is no reasonable argument you can make against there being a true and dangerous threat that needs to be dealt with. i don't care if there are corporations leaching off the war effort to make money, and i don't care if you don't think our freedom within America's borders is actually at stake. i just want to kill those who would harm my family and friends. it is that simple. Even if this is just a war for profit or to assert America's power, so what? Someone has to be on top and I want it to be us. There's nothing wrong with wishing prosperity for your side.

Go read the whole thing. It's a keeper.

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."

Close, Arkansas.

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.

re: #91 SeafoodGumbo

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.

It looks like she really is sick. I guess Obama's shadiness has made me cynical of everything he does.

re: #108 maddogg

Heh.

I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.

So we musn't let that happen.

Remarkable column.

Orson Scott Card may still want to consider himself a Democrat, he will quickly find out he's now on the dark side.

re: #112 Thanos

I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.

So we musn't let that happen.

Running out the clock .......not his first rodeo ........

re: #83 Sharmuta

I suspect that if The Zero wins the election, we're in for another 4 years of raving hogwash extolling the Wonders of Dear Leader, etc. After 3 years of this I am so sick of it -- I only wish the MSM would grow tired of it -- but, I don't believe they will ever tire of their slimy pandering. What really grates is also (of course) the fact that all the MSM have slogans which suggest that they're all about "impartiality", "unbiased", "no bull", and "objectivity" -- all the while peddling falsehoods and frauds. I have to laugh -- they can't even describe what they're doing accurately (let alone write an accurate, investigative report..)

re: #104 JacksonTn

Joe's a hell of a lot more articulate than about 3/4s of our politicians.

re: #94 Maine's Michael

Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.

I've enjoyed Mr. Card's work for many years now. From Ender's Game to his other political writings. Though he IS quite liberal in some areas. (I can hardly believe his "race relations" article) this one he nails it and shows some of his conservative leanings once again. :)

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

Hear hear!

This is one of the nations better papers.

National Enquirer!

/

Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.

As much as I can't stand him and what he represents, that isn't right.

Pretty soon, the early weather forecasts will be coming out for November 4th. Hopefully there will be some inclement weather in battleground states.

re: #54 SpartanWoman

Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

re: #104 JacksonTn

I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....

He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.

the msm has so bought into this empty suit being so much more than he is.
they made up their minds that he was the ONE even before they looked closely at him.
they are committed to orchestrating his ascension and nothing he could do, no matter how dangerous or bad, will sway them.
something is really wrong w/ the msm.
obama is such a flawed candidate. he isn't qualified to hold even local office.
he is short on honesty, good character, integrity, intelligence, and leadership skills.
i can only imagine the msm has been bought off or they all have been collectively stuck dumb.
it is almost unfathomable that this socialist has sailed along so easily, so unchallenged, in his quest for the highest office in the land.

re: #123 mfarmer1

He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.

He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.

re: #62 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Echo that. I remember trying to offer even milder misgivings in 2004 amongst my D friends and being castigated for it. That's back when I still thought i was a democrat.

No I know that I'm not.

A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:

Matthews: Why do you care enough to bring this up at the end of this campaign? Why is it an important election eve issue?

And later:

Matthews: Why is this so important that it's being pushed out on telephone calls to all the key states now with two weeks to go?

When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the fact-finders dirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?

I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.

re: #122 sparrowlake

NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell

re: #107 Steffan

Godspeed, SPC Fortunato. I pray comfort finds it way to your family.

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.

re: #109 Killgore Trout

She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.

Wanker
/

Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean we can't remind others of the contempt he displayed for her, when it suited him.

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Tosser.
/Cheers!

re: #125 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.

No kidding. I'd rather see more people like him running for/holding office even if I disagreed 100%. It's refreshing.

re: #122 sparrowlake

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

God, I hate the Star. I'm a firm Sun reader both here in Alberta and when I lived/grew up in Ontario. Their online sports section is great but otherwise.... *spit*

I'm taking a break from watching "The Candidate." Never seen it before. I had to stop for a bit because it was reminding me way too much of certain people.

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

re: #127 SlartyBartfast

A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:

When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the fact-finders dirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?

I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.

Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......

re: #128 SpartanWoman

NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell

What do you have against hell?

Obi-Wan ......

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

re: #139 sattv4u2

What do you have against hell?

LOL. I thought maybe the devil could reforn Little Pinch and turn him into a less dishonest sort of demon

Killgore Trout (#117),

Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.

Yes, because people who aren't older than McCain don't get sick.

Outstanding logic.

re: #76 crown_of_feathers

Excellent post.

"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.

It's times like this that I miss the Weekly World News. Until I figured out the joke, I cringed when I saw pictures like Bush and Clinton walking with a space alien on the White House lawn. After I got the joke, I followed the continuing adventures of Batboy with a certain fascination. :)

At this point, however, the Weekly World News would be more trustworthy than the MSM. For that matter, the National Enquirer is more trustworthy than CNS, NBC, ABC, or CNN,

NYT stocks have dropped to about half what they were worth five years ago. Circulation is off, ad revenues are seriously off, and they had to fire a lot of people in their newsroom. They have yet to figure out why....

re: #122 sparrowlake

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

They are owned by a wealthy left-liberal family and don't have to worry too much about their bottom line.

re: #130 nyc redneck

i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.

No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'

How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?

Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.

Hope his grandmother illness is not severe and a speedy recovery

re: #100 JacksonTn

I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......

Hate to agree with you JacksonTn but I must. This is just another ploy in the dhimmie game. I have no sympathy for Barry or his Grandmother other than I don't want her to really be ill. I am not like the scum in DU or KOS who wish all kinds of death and evil to befall conservatives and those eeeevil Republicans. I don't wish anybody ill - just want to have fairness and decency take over this g-d election. Is that really too much to ask?

You know as well as I do if the tables were turned the dhimmies would say tuff shittsky and you suck and all those other wonderful superlatives. Dhimmies have only one mode - attack and slime. They have some really slimy characters and the DU and KOSkids are prime examples.

re: #122 sparrowlake

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

had the same problem with the Oregonian. Fortunately they started leaving it in the apt foyer rather than bringing it to the door so I could save myself the effort of chucking it. Calls offering 2 - 3 months free including the sunday edition didn't stop until I moved.
Since craig'slist, there is absolutely no reason to kill a tree for that leftist screed

re: #74 CyanSnowHawk

May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.

He would still have the Senate thing to do . Would hate to see his "PRESENT" voting record screwed up!

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Tosser.
/Cheers!

Shut up you gits!

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

...and he'll return with a "deathbed affidavit" indicating he was in fact born in Hawaii. "See! Look, right here. My mee-maw even signed it!"

I wasn't always such a cynic....well, that's not entirely true either. :(

Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The first step is recognizing that your "friends" can be total lying sacks of...

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Oops. ///

Bravo Zulu to Mr. Card.

Finally a voice of passion, reason and common sense to say nothing of honesty in clearly saying to all, that the media emperor has no clothes.

Would that every print and electronic hack who has helped propagate this entire campaign of Obama smoke and mirrors be compelled, in the name of decency, to redeem those values of honesty and integrity that should be the hallmark of a free press.

The 'free' part of free press and 'free' speech must be earned and paid for every day or it is lost.

re: #91 SeafoodGumbo

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.

the cynic in me says yes, it is manufactured. the Powell story bought him a couple days of relief, a few days administering to his ailing grandmother buys him several more days.
a few more little distractions like this and time is over. it could be classic running out the clock strategy.

re: #146 Maine's Michael

How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?

Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.

She was in Rochester, MN, last week. But basically I think they're keeping her under wraps. She didn't even show at the 9/11 commemoration. The sort of thing First Ladies might be expected to attend...

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

That was the answer. Wow. When did DOS 6.1 add that feature. Bill Gates rocks!

Wonderful column by Mr. Card.

I have been a journalist (newspaper reporter and editor), as well as a business owner and currently work in a marketing capacity at a media company known for having a conservative, pro-business stance.

In my experience, the field of journalism attracts liberals, and they ASSUME that everybody else in their environment is liberal, and they tout their beliefs. Outside of the company where I work now, I've met about five non-leftie journalists in my life. And that may be a generous number.

Also -- most journalists have never done anything else in their adult lives besides write about OTHER people. They've never run a business or worked in business, so they don't understand economics or how profit and loss really works. It shows in their reporting. And I've only met two or three journalists who ever served in the military or even worked in a civilian job for the military. So most of them have no clue how it works, either.

Furthermore, newsrooms most certainly DO have liberal agendas. It's not hidden. Stories get buried, killed or ignored.

Not to impugn everyone. I actually do know honest journalists who happen to be liberals. But too many of them are out to further the political agenda of the left, and it's gotten way out of control this election cycle.

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

It was on the main site of FoxNews.com as well.

re: #120 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

With two weeks left, Obama's polling must show him comfortably ahead. Time to duck out and avoid another "Joe the Plumber" incident that might actually gain some traction. "Joe" gave McCain some lift, but not enough to put him over the top.

I don't think this "nefarious". It's merely an effort to derail the attacks on him, which may actually be eroding his lead at the margins, but not by enough to make a difference--yet.

And further attacks on Obama may look mean-spirited to at least some wavering voters in the context of the grieving grandson, Obama.

So the risk has been carefully calculated in the context of his lead, and the likely dynamics of the race. "At granny's bedside" is about as close to the Rose Garden as a non-incumbent with a substantial lead can get.

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

It's because your monitor screen is concave.

Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away.

/wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

re: #161 DistantThunder

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

lie low until the grand re-opening 1/2 hour special

re: #142 Geepers

Outstanding logic.

Thanks.

Obama saw that Hillary's tear were effective, but this campaign would put a stress on any elderly relative. McCain's mom seems to handle it pretty well.
It was just easier on his grandmother when the Chicago machine paved the way for him instead of all this struggling for power.

re: #128 SpartanWoman

The Sun tried that with me - I declined. The caller asked why, I replied I didn't have a bird. The telemarketer was quiet a minute and then got back on script asking what it would take for me to be a trial subscriber. I said in light of the current financial status of newspapers I was pretty confident they would be unable to deliver the amount of cash to go along with their rag to make it worth it to me. I then offered the stunned silent sales girl a free bit of advice (because of their money problems) - that last offer needs quite a bit of editing, it was just way too easy for people like me. They should consider something along the lines of free internet along with the paper to make fact checking their butts that much more convenient for me, the customer. For some reason she hung up.

re: #22 MandyManners

I went and read the whole article. What a hack job. The article says "McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000." The article identifies DCI as the lobbying firm hired by Freddie Mac. Yet it does not say that Rick Davis works or worked for DCI. I had to look it up and it turns out that he did. By "taken," the author presumably means "accepted fees for services rendered," but taken sounds more sinister. There's also no evidence presented that Rick Davis was personally aware of the work DCI did for Freddie Mac or that he personally benefited from that account.

Of course, right there in the headline DCI is identified as a Republican firm. How can that be if they accepted an assignment from Freddie Mac to work against a Republican bill?

If anything, this demonstrates that Republicans were trying to stop the excesses at Freddie and Fannie and were thwarted by fatcat execs. I don't care who Hollis McLaughlin made contributions to, he's a sleazebag who successfully turned the Senate over to the Democrats so he could keep the good times rolling. Unfortunately, most people will see "Republican consulting firm" and assume that the eeeevil Republicans were the ones trying to prevent regulation, even though the exact opposite is true.

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Shut up you gits!

Don't bugger the thread!

I wish no misfortune on 0's family, and that all turns out well. But 0 will find that the truth, unfortunately, is not something which respects family priorities. Nor can it be simply run from if it is coming. I hope we will not slack up in hitting the enemy with the truth during this time.

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.

For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.

re: #122 sparrowlake

Yes. I have a little mound of paper mache with tire tracks on my driveway every once in a while.

And if they are so green why not try going completely online?

Probably afraid of the competition I guess.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

It's NLP, you know that. See, I used NLP on you, ha, ha.

re: #162 willowone

He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious

She was in a nursing home ...... she may be going home for hospice ..... I hope if she is very ill she passes in peace ...... as much as I cannot stand Senator Government ...... I do not know anything about his grandmother .....but while he is gone he is still not off limits ......

re: #176 Sharmuta

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.

For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.

RACIST!

re: #46 MandyManners

Hi Mandy. It's listed as UPI in my paper. I guess the wire services in general are picking this one up and running with it. Doesn't surprise me.

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

re: #172 ArmyWife

Their free trial periods are always based on the assumption that you will forget to cancel and they can start billing. The idea that I may owe one cent to the NYT is not worth it and if people see it on the driveway they will think I turned into a lib.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

No.

Excellent article but it means nothing. The left sees that the deconstruction of America is close at hand and the American people have been dubbed into voting for it. It will start with Amnesty, bizarre and destructive taxes, demilitarization, widely corrupt spending, the suppression and destruction of business through green laws, new banking laws, witch hunts, IRS audits of enemies and end with the Patriot Act turned upon Americans but never terrorists.

re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's because your monitor screen is concave.

Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away.

/wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:

Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

COOL!

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Go to zombietime, and to the comments for that post. Somewhere below #100 (where buzzsawmonkey began hammering them), one of the nutcases put William Ayers on the same plane as Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

re: #173 doppelganglander

On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

A friend of mine, Biff Rose, in his song "Buzz the Fuzz" (covered by David Bowie), has a line in the song...

"He was hip... hip... hip... hip-no-tized" in reference to a police officer turned on to drugs by a female hippie he had arrested.

re: #53 MandyManners

The emphasis on this section was that individual employees donate to the Obama campaign completely ignoring the actual campaign donations given by the lobbying groups representing Freddie and Fanny. This little deflection leaves the reader with the image of lowly employees giving to the chosen one while the big company is giving to the Republicans.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

No you haven't. See, I did it again!

re: #176 Sharmuta

The Founding Fathers wanted a decentralized press, if I recall my AP US history correctly. In the early years, they passed legislation to promote local news sources. They felt that a centralized press was destructive to democracy, since it was controlled by a few people and their opinions. And that's exactly what we have now, with huge corporations like the Tribune Co. owning lots of media all over the country.

So, yeah, I bet they're spinning in their graves now.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

Yeah, but you can't feel good about helping the poor when there's not many poor people around! This will help create more poverty so the Democratic party can help them! Win-win!

re: #138 JacksonTn

Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......

Look at this biased piece of crap from, who else, AP:

`Anti-American' comments hurt Minn. rep's campaign

Their evidence? Her opponent received $800K in donations. I promise you little or none of it came from within the district. There's no poll results, not even a comment from a single person in the district. They can spend all the money in the world, but if it's a conservative district (as it appears to be), being attacked by Chris Matthews and Nancy Pelosi will only help her.

re: #185 pat

Hi, Sunshine!

re: #179 JacksonTn
agree, this election is serious.
honestly i don't know how i would handle this thrown into mix, as the adversary

re: #176 Sharmuta

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama.

Read The Spike sometime. Old, but good read on the very subject.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

what does it mean to play nice? to me supporting Obama is repugnant and against everything this country stands for. if someone comes on here in support of Obama its a downding for me. nothing personal and no inflammatory speech, but with me anyway there is no grey area where we can reach out and come together on it.

What kind of heartless right wing thug could possibly criticize The One at a time like this?

OK, maybe I'll start...

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

Wait- so dinging someone down is now mean? I don't think so.

Also- you want to play nice with a lot of people who will not give us the same courtesy. Sure- some 0bama supporters are nice folks. I'm related to a couple. But do you really think the people hitting ciaospirit are going to give us that courtesy? Really?

re: #186 Steffan

Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.

You have a concave monitor too?

/fer cryin' out loud, gang ... I'm KIDDING!

re: #145 CyanSnowHawk

No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'

he is such a narcissist. it is difficult to imagine he is capable of really caring abt. anyone. that is my observation of him. a calculating, self serving thug.
who also referred to his grandmother as "a typical white person."
of course, i do wish her well if she is sick.

re: #176 Sharmuta

Here in Alberta, if a journalist had the audacity to write a critical column about (ahem) a certain party/leader (this is at the provincial level), then said journalist was, indeed, put on a black list...that meant -- no phone calls accepted, no invites, literally, the person/journalist no longer existed, they were punished...a career ender (and the politicians would play nice only with those who wrote nice things about the pols -- the double standard was obvious for all to see, the intimidation of those who refused to play along, obvious to all, etc. That's how political bosses operate...I'm sure the Obama team is very familiar with such tactics...and I expect it will continue for the duration of Obama's presence.)

This column explains perfectly why I no longer trust the MSM. I have started referring to National Review as "the paper". i come here and a few other blogs to find out what the MSM is trying to hide from me. this is an excellent column and EVERY editorial page editor in the nation needs to take it to heart.

re: #161 DistantThunder

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

Trying to head off 'ol Andy Martin perhaps?

re: #137 Walter L. Newton
Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]

This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I wasn't in on the down-dinging of that post, but if someone comes in and states their opinion garnished with the thought that everyone else that disagrees is part of the frog chorus from Aristophanes, they've gotten off on the wrong foot all by themselves.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

I haven't been on most of the afternoon and evening, so to learn that USMC1968 passed away is certainly sad news. My thoughts and condolences go out to his family. And as you say, Obama supporters come in all stripes and types - and you can and should be vocal in your position, but never let it get personal. Life's way too short for that.

re: #205 J.S.

Didn't the 0bama campaign kick the new yorker staff out after the infamous cover?

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House.

I received a "Breaking News" e-mail about Sen. Obama's grandmother's health and his decision to call off his campaign events on Thursday and Friday to go and be with her.

First, my prayers for Mrs. Madelyn Payne Dunham, for her health and comfort.

Second, if she has been so ill these last number of days, why hasn't her grandson gone out before this?

Third, same premise as second point, why isn't he going out there tomorrow?

Something's not right about this. I have great sympathy for him in his grandma's illness, and compassion for Mrs. Dunham.

But why wait?

re: #212 Sharmuta

Off of the plane with you!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

re: #208 yah

Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

See this one by SeafoodGumbo. It works!

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!

re: #213 Charles

But did you think the democrats would nominate such a flaming marxist at the time? And who could have predicted the PUMAs?

Sharmuta (#201),

Come on Sharmuta, it's time to accept the inevitable and begin sucking up to our new overlords.

re: #168 Killgore Trout
No.

re: #184 maddogg

No.

Fair enough. I dig your brevity.

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

it is worst than that...the secret service at the event in question said that nobody heard anyone in the crowd yell "kill him". the only person who heard it is the "reporter" who printed the lie..er.. i mean story.

re: #221 snowcrash

#222 ditto.

re: #213 Charles

Troll!

re: #212 Sharmuta

I can't recall (you're referring to that cartoon -- the one with michelle Obama wearing the combat boots with Afro, now that was funny -- btw, it was drawn by a Canadian cartoonist...got a lot of press up here...)

re: #183 SpartanWoman

You are so right! I will need to remember this! Should they happen to miss the great big frowny face that I am sure they put next to my phone number and call again, I shall respond "Thank you, but no. Someone of my position simply cannot risk a sullying of reputation should passers by see your rag in my driveway. The horrors of someone thinking I've gone and turned lib!"

at this point I'm so damn grateful we even have a chance! with all the media lies, voter fraud

lre: #213 Charles

re: #213 Charles

Or was that a joke about McCain's RINO status?

re: #189 Thanos

On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.

That's the list of who did and didn't sign Hegel's letter asking McConnell for a vote. Not signing the letter doesn't necessarily mean they supported or opposed the bill. However, if they supported the bill but didn't sign the letter, it could have been because Freddie Mac's attacks were having an impact on them.

Honestly, I am at a loss as to why an ostensibly Republican firm would accept a contract to destroy Republicans. Something here does not pass the smell test.

re: #219 Sharmuta

man oh man this has put the fear of Hashem back in me.

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

Charles voted for ROMNEY in the primary. Another Cato troll. Ding him down. We can't have any of that here.
/

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

Gee Killgore I am not. This is a tough crowd and frankly to come in here pushing the sOcialist is just not going to go over well. We don't really mind valid and compelling discussion but, when all you put up is the usual talking points you will lose here as you should lose in real life. The fact that obambi has the media in his pocket is the only REAL reason he is polling well. If they told the truth he NEVER WOULD HAVE WON THE NOMINATION and you know it. Get over it.

And yes, anybody that supports obambi has a screw or two loose and has been leaking brain matter. I don't know of a SINGLE SUPPORTER of obambi and I live in Rhode Island the most blue state I know of. Anybody once told of his tax policy (that he has lied about repeatedly) who was a supporter of o soon moves away from the dark side of the force (no pun intended here folks). If you are not dhimmie don't bother to run for office in this state. Our Governor Carcieri is the only exception and he is an good guy facing a hopelessly dhimmie legislature. I must admit they actually agreed with his budget proposals and almost got the budget deficit fixed until the local labor goons said not so fast. Dhimmies are bad for business, babies and our general welfare. Can't you get it through your head that socialism is not a good thing and that the slippery slope is getting very steep and greased with the bs that obambi is spewing.

You will note that dhimmie and obambi are not capitalized - they don't deserve this effort.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

With the Bush Administration's Secretary of the Treasury running around Washington with his hair on fire, screaming "Panic, panic!", I'm not surprised that many Americans chalk up the economic woes confronting us to the GOP.

If Bush and Paulson are honorable, which I must assume, then they've sacrificed John McCain's prospects of election for the greater national good by addressing an economic crisis that could not have been timed worse for the Republican ticket. Had they delayed as the market tanked, and blamed the Democrats for the crisis, then they might have done better electorially, but the economy would have done much worse.

Further, cooperation with the Democrats was necessary for a legislative solution, and name-calling would have ensured the failure of any rescue package until next January. This realty forced the failing Republicans to fall on their swords for the greater good of the nation.

I'm not optimistic about this election cycle, but I am optimistic about the future of the American nation. We've weathered horrible presidents and congresses before.

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

Lets hope you're a better web master and bike rider than political prognosticator

I'm not ready to give up, though.

Charles,
I use IE-7 on the PC. No big problem getting into PJM or Yahoo. Emptying cache did not help. Moving to the Macbook where Safari works fine. Logged in as my evil twin Skippy.

re: #233 Walter L. Newton
i liked Hunter, heh

re: #215 Intrepid

Consider too that before August he hadn't seen her in 18 months.

I'm going to assume she's genuinely ill until evidence comes to the contrary, but the moment he threw her under the bus in the race speech back in the spring was the moment I really started disliking him. You just don't do that.

yah (#208),

Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

Go the "My Account" page. You can change the text sizes and styles there to suit you.

re: #229 Sharmuta

That was my first thought. =)

I don't let my side down. I won't give up until the results are in.

re: #237 Charles

I'm not ready to give up, though.

Me neither. converted a few undecideds and got some libs to turn Nader.

re: #153 DistantThunder

Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.

Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .

/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.

re: #245 Florida Lady

Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .

/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Troll!

LOL!

Oh, and if the McCain campaign needs any pointers on how it should conduct itself while the 0 is off in Hawaii, they need only review the 0 campaign's "restraint" while McCain was on Capitol Hill trying to deal with the debt crisis, in the service of his constituents and his country. Let the 0 seek mercy where it will. Politically, I hope we will show it none.

re: #247 arethusa

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

GMTA!

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

I hope to hell you were wrong.

re: #209 Little Doxie

[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]

This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.

This is the link for the lawsuit.

re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint

I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!

It's now at -61, including my down ding. I have respect for long-timers here, but I will not concede that an Obama presidency is "not going to be so bad for the country".

And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.

I'm keeping all my darker suspicions to myself

I may have to reconsider my habitual annoyance with Noam Chomsky. While endorsing Obama, he told Der Spiegel "The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion."

So true.

re: #247 arethusa

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

He might want to express how grateful he is that his 96 year old mother is in such great shape.

If MEchelle is coming in as second string while Senator Government is gone ..... I say let's get it on .......She is no longer off limits after that NYT article on Cindy McCain ........

re: #107 Steffan

To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)

re: #246 DistantThunder

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.

There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.

re: #246 DistantThunder

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.

Lawsuit info link

If McCain suspends his campaign too, he doesn't deserve to win a damn thing.

re: #254 Intrepid

And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.

Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.