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Card: Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

Opinion | Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:36:11 pm PDT

Orson Scott Card hits the mark: Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

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1 Thanos  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:37:38pm

I do recommend that everyone read this, it's a very good but concise summary of how badly journalism is failing.

2 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:01pm

The Media are the enemy.

3 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:38:35pm

Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?

4 saberry0530  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:39:16pm

AMEN!

5 seekeroftruth  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:02pm
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.


Amen.

6 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:40:53pm

An honest dem? Wow. Better keep him in the original packaging. A rare collectable like that is bound to go up in value!

7 Outrider  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:41:02pm

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

8 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:42:47pm

re: #2 Iron Fist

The Media are the enemy.

Fellow travelers. Liberals, especially far left marxist types (like Obama) are the enemy.

9 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:43:29pm

re: #7 Outrider

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

I suspect J-school is a large part of the problem.

10 Bloodnok  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:43:31pm

Buzzed n' plussed...

11 PAgirlinNC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:06pm

I hope that means he is voting McCain/Palin this time around - especially since NC is considered a swing state this year...

12 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:44:07pm

All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.

13 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:45:15pm

They are always polling McCain/Palin.

I give the MSM a 13%

I give LGF ----------86%

/can't get a 100% because Charles has to use some Bird Cage articles.

14 code red 21  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:35pm

This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.

15 Indymaestro  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:36pm

Obama IS Ender...trained by Ayers of course ;)

16 JHW  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:46:39pm

One of the best articles I've seen this political season. It's criminal how the media in general has distorted or ignored the origins of the financial crisis. It, it some ways, reminds me of Soviet "journalism". The commisar vanishes.

17 stuiec  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:00pm

re: #7 Outrider

They are journalists, not reporters. Daddy didn't pay $75,000 to put his kid through reporter school.
/

I wouldn't mind them calling themselves journalists and printing whatever garbage they like, if they conformed to two rules:

1) Stop pretending that there is such an animal as "journalistic ethics."

2) Whatever you print has to be labeled truthfully as "objective facts," "my own opinion," or "advocacy of something I want you to believe."

The big problem is that the MSM pretend to be bastions of objective and honest reporting, when in fact they are propaganda organs. That's why it took The National Enquirer to break the John Edwards love child story: they are interested in fascinating facts, wherever they lead, whereas the MSM is only interested in fascinating facts that lead to the political conclusions they support.

18 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:18pm

Orson Scott Card may be right on on this article, but the man has been known to be all over the spectrum. He is pro-gun control, homophobic, anti-fossil fuel, anti-global warming and highly critical of capitalism.

So, one thing for sure, he's hard to nail down.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

19 wun wabbit wun  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:35pm

I say Card and Joe The Plumber for 2012!

20 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:45pm

re: #3 RedWhiteAndJew

Could somebody tell me if they can see this little window sticker I made?

Yes. What's it for? Sarah?

21 Russkilitlover  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:47:45pm

I think he got it - spot on. Though loathe to quote the French on anything, they also know to cherchez l'argent (or la femme, in the case of Bill Clinton). NO reporter "journalist" today is following the money trail and it's a despicable neglect of journalistic responsibility.

22 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:08pm

Well, lookee here!

WASHINGTON (AP) — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.

Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.

In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.


SNIP

23 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:17pm

What last honest reporter?

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:23pm

It's a compelling read.

The lights are still off.

25 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:26pm

re: #12 Tigger2005

All Lizards need to print off about 20 copies of this article and send it to their local fishwrap. 20 separate copies, just to be sure it's not overlooked. And e-mail it to everyone you know and ask them to send at least one copy to their local paper also.

Oh, and of course, be sure to credit Orson Scott Card!

26 psyop  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:48:43pm

That was one of the best articles I have read in a while.

Good on Card.

27 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:49:01pm
28 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:50:02pm
Yes. What's it for? Sarah?

Yep. It's supposed to be reminiscent of those ubiquitous OBX stickers you see everywhere.

29 ClosetConservative  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:50:55pm

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

30 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:51:47pm
They end up worse off than before.

"We're the government, and we're here to help you".

31 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:01pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller


Just take a look at our U.S. Senate.
There before you Lt. for life John F. Kerry, liar, fraud, traitor, fake awards and citations self-made in a war zone. 40 years later only by the support of the AP ect. co-liars and fraud of the msm etal , he sits the front page news photo op of it all.


We brought him down,
Obamba deserves the same trip.

32 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:05pm

re: #17 stuiec

I don't think its really EVER been true that newspapers and the like have been truly objective, but there was a time when they tried, at least, to convey that impression.

I also think the solution to the problem of biased press is more press.

There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.

What we need isn't to bury the legacy leftist press, but to build up a functional alternative. Fox news is a start, as it Pajamas media and this website.

33 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:53:41pm

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd ALLEGEDLYshouted something uncouth.

which the Secret Service has repudiated


fixed

34 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:54:16pm

re: #32 looking closely

There was a day when there were left-leaning newspapers, and right-leaning ones, and everyone knew which was which, and that they had their biases.

During the time of the Partisan Press, left and right had no meaning.

35 odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:54:20pm

Powell makes no sense. Everything he "knows" about Plain he has learned by watching the Media Filtered version of reality. Powell never even MET the VP candidate for his OWN party! He just sits around and watches TV.
WTF.

These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.

36 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:55:35pm

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):

Obama Supporters Getting in Faces in Ohio

37 JeremyR  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:17pm

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.

38 ciaospirit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:36pm

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

39 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:47pm
"You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city."

I think it is much, much bigger than that: The Democratic Party is the political arm of the media-industrial complex.
Journalism (ie reporting and commentary) cannot be isolated from its corporate affiliates, entertainment and advertising. They are all part of the media spectrum and there is plainly a great deal of cross-pollination among them. Political propaganda and advocacy are a branch of advertising; personnel, themes, and metholology flow freely from one branch to another. Look at the number of lefty journalists who started as sportscasters, a professional amalgam of entertainment and journalism with a very heavy dose of ad culture tossed in.
Note how the basic socio-cultural themes of the left reflect the value system of the media/advertising/entertainment spectrum: acceptance of deviant behavior and substance abuse, unearned gratification, radical politics, nihilism, celebrity worship, sound-bite rhetoric, moral authoritarianism, egocentricity and greed.

The left as we know it today is not the left of Eugene Debs or Robert LaFollette, let alone Karl Marx; it is essentially an advertising gimmick run amok.
For more on this symbiosis of media and the political left, see Thomas Frank's remarkable cultural history: The Conquest of Cool; Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism

40 LEGION  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:50pm

Ahhhh- reporting truth died years ago

Say, we need 3 more in the lounge for FREE PEANUTS from OE- come on in!

41 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:56:55pm
These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.

Our brethren and sisteren would do well to remember this, every time they hear of the latest "poll results."

As Sean Hannity says, "Let not your heart be troubled."

42 looking closely  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:07pm

re: #35 odinga


These politicians believe the Media IS the only reality.


Since they live and die professionally on public opinion, and since the media helps create (or in some cases entirely creates) it, to them the Media is the only reality that matters.

That why so many of them try to spin stories and fix blame instead of fixing problems.

43 conrad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:18pm

WTF OF THE DAY!

Sorry all. I just posted this on another thread, but fear it will get lost. Here it is again!

Wow! That's all I can say.
Hi folks. I picked up my local paper and splashed across the front page in giant letters was a headline so shockingly hypocritical that my jaw hit the floor. The UPI through their reporter Pete Yost is trying to say that the Republicans were the ones who stopped any regulatory rules on Freddie Mac and Fannie May. Furthermore, they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations. Then, it goes further by trying to paint the Republicans as the reason behind the entire crisis

Linked here:
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

After some research, I found the original article in the HUFFINGTON POST! It was written by an anti republican hack named Pete Yost who wrote the "news" for the HuffPo yesterday and this story has been disseminated throughout the UPI news links in many small town papers today.

link here:
[Link: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]...]

I couldn't believe it! When Democrats were shown to have been the corrupt politicians in this mess, not a word from the press. The HuffPo prints out a poorly researched hit piece blaming republicans and it's front page news in my local paper. WTF?

It's one thing to lie poorly, but another to do so in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary already out there made me want to let my fellow lizards know this.

Charles are you interested in taking this further?

44 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:57:37pm

When the one-term Obama and his New International Society are discredited, and The One is voted out of office, the most long-lasting consequence may be the wholesale rejection of resurgent Yellow Journalism. The cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct. It's a shame, because bloggers do not (yet) have the professional resources and reach to do first-hand reporting, relying on parsing numerous first-hand sources. Now we can't even know what is a reliable first-hand source and what is not and must employ the smell test. The concept of "facts" is already widely disputed, and not only by radical deconstructionists.

Journalism has to ally itself with science. Schools of journalism, following the decline of the NYT, WP, AP, Reuters, etc., will have to reformulate themselves. New fact-gathering agencies will have to arise.

Of course, maybe the shame of being wrong that a few years of an Obama administration may result in self-imposed reformation of the present news-gathering agencies... When non-Halal porcine animals evolve wings, perhaps...

45 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:17pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

You can start with this LGF thread from earlier (with video!):

Obama Supporters Getting in Faces in Ohio


I don't think that I made it to minute three of that vid...these people are foul.

46 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:58:58pm

re: #43 conrad

It's not UPI. It's AP. See my No. 22.

47 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:03pm

Actually, there is no media. If you can't get your information off the web, you are limited to a propaganda machine that assumes you need to be told what to think by leftist elitists. And why not? They have dumbed down the school system to the point that critical thought is virtually a lost art. And it works in their direction. Why would they want to change it?

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 5:59:27pm
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.


It's a shame McCain won't take advantage of this.

49 Tigger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:19pm

re: #1 Thanos

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

50 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:22pm

re: #14 code red 21

This should be reprinted in every newspaper's editorial section to remind them that their job is to report not to get someone elected. I'm sure a pig will fly first.

Indeed. And there will be no pork in the treetops this year!

51 Onslow  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:29pm
52 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:00:44pm

Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.

53 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:01pm

re: #43 conrad

they are claiming that the Democrats never took any money from either organizations.

From the article:

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000.

Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.

54 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:01:20pm

re: #49 Tigger

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:37pm
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.


This is why I think we're unlikely to see the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Why would Obama damage his most valuable asset?

56 Maine's Michael  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:02:48pm

Got this in an email. Worth spreading around. Probably fairly accurate:

Here are some of the things we might look forward to in the next two years -

- Tax increases (obviously)
- Restoration of welfare through "tax credits" (= direct cash payouts).
- Outlawing of semi-auto assault rifles
- Outlawing magazines over X rounds for non-military rifles
- Fairness Doctrine
- Net neutrality
- Internet tax
- Socialized health care & eventually rationing
- Withdrawal from Iraq
- Deep defense budget cuts
- End of missile defense
- End of illegal immigration enforcement, border security
- End of secret ballot for union elections
- On the spot voter registration (just show up)
- Federal funding of ACORN and other leftist groups
- Participation in Int'l Criminal Court
- Support international regulations on securities markets, banking
- Support global carbon tax
- Billions of new taxes on corporations through "carbon credit" payments
- End of standards in public schools

Some other possiblities:
- Prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld for war crimes
- New laws against home schooling
- Outlaw fee-for-service health care & doctor choice
- Mandated drug prices (=stifle new drug research)
- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College
- Reparations payments to blacks for slavery
- End of tax exempt status for churches preaching that homosexuality is a sin or other "political" speech
- Expanded "hate speech" laws to include any speech that is politically incorrect.

Except for the reparations to blacks, I think its pretty spot on.

57 Charles  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:33pm

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

58 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:41pm
59 profitsbeard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:03:47pm

Advocacy is the antithesis of Journalism.

Until this code returns, the "news" will be predictably old.

As the Emperor's Empty Suit cries out for an honest eye .

60 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:01pm
61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #56 Maine's Michael


- Authorize increase of Supreme Court from 9 to 12, then put in lefty justices
- Abolish Electoral College


I think those two might be bogus.

62 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:21pm

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

Wow. Excellent column - and a tremendous pair on Mr. Card for writing it.

I know, especially these days.

I don't mind the fact that there are those that have a different opinion than mine....what scares me is the rabid following of that opposition. I can appreciate a good debate based on the merits of the differences between the parties, but these days there are few that argue the merits...it's all name calling and race baiting. Mr. Card is that rare individual who actually looks at both sides of the picture and isn't afraid to call his party to the carpet when it is deserved.

I'd have him as a guest at a dinner party anytime...

63 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:30pm

re: #51 Onslow

Analyst: McClatchy's Debt Deal Provides Some Space


Star Tribune skips quarterly debt payment of $9 million

May they die agonizing deaths.

Yep. Now that I can get listings online for movies I don't even need a local paper. And ads/coupons are esily found in store or online

64 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:04:49pm

ciaospirit (#38),

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

Stop asking me questions. That's, like, hard and stuff.

66 kynna  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:32pm

Great stuff. The dems will only see his typo of calling Franklin Raines 'Freddie' Raines, unfortunately.

Excellent rant, though. A lot of irrefutable facts here.

67 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:42pm
Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

When a representative called my home, selling subscriptions to the Dayton Daily WorkerNews, I informed him that I could not give my coin to a rag that was incapable of reporting reality, in lieu of the leftist fantasies they normally print. His response was that most people who object to its political stance complain it's too conservative. I bought more car insurance the next day.

68 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:05:54pm

re: #15 Indymaestro

Obama IS Ender...trained by Ayers of course ;)

Please don't insult Ender.

69 gop_patriot  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #38 ciaospirit

Wanna see Joe the plumber mocked? Part II of the Obama heckler/intimidators is now up.

No! lol

I didn't, but watched it anyway. Wow, those were some stupid people. Especially the guy at the end.

70 LEGION  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:16pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Throw Grandma under the train--- [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

71 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:28pm

re: #37 JeremyR

Heck, it seems that much of the crap they print regarding people at McCain rallys is fabricated.

There's a lot of subtle bias, too. Yesterday I attended a local rally of small business owners for McCain. It was probably barely a hundred people, but the local (last place rated) TV news tried to make it look even smaller. All their footage was taken before the rally began, showing a few people scattered on benches or milling about. No shots of the tightly packed group listening to the speakers and applauding, of course.

73 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:41pm

His typical sick white grandmother, perchance?

74 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:06:42pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:00pm

re: #57 Charles

I think Obama can take off as much time as he needs. He can just phone it in at this point.

76 crown_of_feathers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #44 Purple Prose

Excellent post.

"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.

77 Thanos  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:07:18pm

re: #49 Tigger

I finally did it today! I canceled my WaPo subscription of 18 years.
Told the rep that since they endorsed Obama, they may now try to get the coming socialist government to subsidize them.

Good for you! I haven't taken the daily paper in over ten years, but then I am what marketeers like to call "an early adaptor".

78 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:08pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I think those two might be bogus.

I do believe that both would require Constitutional amendments.

79 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:10pm

Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?

80 Thanos  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:39pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...


Maybe he needs to cover some ILWU/Soetoro tracks or something...

81 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:52pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Must be nice to have the election already in the bag.

/Perhaps he's suspending his campaign due to the health care crisis in Hawaii for children?

//Perhaps he's on the lookout for his birth certificate?

82 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:08:59pm

re: #73 RedWhiteAndJew

Sorry,, Had to ding you down. I know what you meant, but it just doesn't olook right IMHO

83 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:12pm
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

Indeed. They are the unpaid propaganda arm of democrat party, and they have revealed themselves as such in this election. They will get theirs- it's only a matter of time.

84 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:15pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

IIRC, the last time he and the family went to Hawaii (this summer), only Obama went to visit Grandma while Michelle and the kids didn't, which seemed very odd.

Am I remembering that correctly?

85 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:23pm

re: #56 Maine's Michael

That pretty much looks like the real Democratic platform to me.

86 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:30pm

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

87 profitsbeard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #58 taxfreekiller

So, Obama is going to see his sick grandmother.

before we say any thing, find out how often he
went to see her over the last 20 years.

For as long a Barry can remember, he has considered her a silent mentor, even if a typical white woman.

88 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:09:47pm

I feel sorry for anyone that has a loss in their family .......but does this mean the press will "go easy" on him while he is visiting his grandmother .....No joke ..... I mean do you think they will now say it is in bad taste to say anything about him now ....I mean even more than they say it now ......

89 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:02pm

re: #53 MandyManners

So they're conflating payment for work done by a lobbying firm (all completely legal, by the way) with campaign donations. It must have been a terrible shock to them to learn that consultants do what their clients pay them to do, and few have the luxury of turning away business.

90 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:10:09pm
91 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:18pm

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.

92 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:27pm

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

Yes.

93 Charles  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:42pm

re: #79 lifeofthemind

Hello, can anyone explain why I can get into LGF on my blackberry but can't on my PC? It has been this way for hours. Charles?

Could it be related to this?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

94 Maine's Michael  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:44pm

Charles,

Very convenient time for his grandma to get sick. He gets to visit here, and America gets reminded he's not so scary.

'Look, he has nice little old (white) gramma, and she's sick, poor thing. But he's such a good grandson! How bad can he be?'

I'm going to cynic myself right to hell . . .

But Obama is good. REAL good.

95 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:50pm

re: #57 Charles

I wish his Grandmother well. Regardless of her political leanings, it is my opinion she got the short end of the stick from Barry - she raised him when his father and then mother (and I guess step father) abandoned him. But who does Barry invoke during story telling hour at the end of each speech and debate? His deadbeat dad. So, Grandmother whatever your last name is, even if you happen to be a left leaning kook, you deserved better than what you got, and may you get well soon to beat him about the head and shoulders with the nearest object to your bed when he arrives.

*Disclaimer* I am not advocating physical violence. Just figurative violence.

96 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:11:55pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...


Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?

97 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:36pm

re: #86 CyanSnowHawk

Is this the same Orson Scott Card that wrote Ender's game?

It is indeed.

98 jackfetch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:12:41pm

Card's political essays... and he and Lieberman are the only two real "neo-cons" I know of... are collected at: [Link: www.ornery.org...]

You can follow the "World Watch" link on the left to a collection of all his weekly op-ed columns. Although, I don't agree with him 100%, his essays are always well-constructed and definitely worth reading.

99 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:04pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Yes.

Then I am buying that book on the way home tonight.

100 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:21pm

I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......

101 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:25pm

re: #96 maddogg

Is that the granny he stomped under the bus carriage?

Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."

102 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:13:57pm

Who knows what is real with the Obamas. Maybe he'll buy granny a lobster dinner and some Iranian caviar. That oughta help

103 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:05pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

I hope she's better soon.

Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.

104 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:16pm

I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....

105 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:17pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

Injured by a bus, I suspect.

106 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:14:41pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

I hope she's better soon.

Of course- if this was John McCain's mother, we'd be seeing vitriol from the usual suspects.

You mean like Tony Snow .......

107 Steffan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #17 stuiec

"Journalistic ethics" is an oxymoron.

OT: Specialist Stephen Fortunato was killed last week, in Afghanistan, by an IED. He left behind a blog entry (emphasis mine):

I'd like to say something....Just to get it out there so it is clear.
To all the pampered and protected Americans who feel it is their duty to inform me that I am not fighting for their freedom, and that i am a pawn in Bush's agenda of greed and oil acquisition: Noted, and [expletive deleted] You.

I am not a robot. i am not blind or ignorant to the state of the world or the implications of the "war on terrorism." i know that our leaders have made mistakes in the handling of a very sensitive situation, but do not for one second think that you can make me lose faith in what we, meaning America's sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers in uniform are doing.

I am doing my part in fighting a very real enemy of the United States, i.e. Taliban, Al Qaida, and various other radical sects of Islam that have declared war on our way of life. Unless you believe the events of 9/11 were the result of a government conspiracy, which by the way would make you a MORON, there is no reasonable argument you can make against there being a true and dangerous threat that needs to be dealt with. i don't care if there are corporations leaching off the war effort to make money, and i don't care if you don't think our freedom within America's borders is actually at stake. i just want to kill those who would harm my family and friends. it is that simple. Even if this is just a war for profit or to assert America's power, so what? Someone has to be on top and I want it to be us. There's nothing wrong with wishing prosperity for your side.

Go read the whole thing. It's a keeper.

108 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:10pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Are you from England? Just curious. You used the word "carriage."

Close, Arkansas.

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:24pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.

110 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:47pm

re: #91 SeafoodGumbo

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.

It looks like she really is sick. I guess Obama's shadiness has made me cynical of everything he does.

111 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:49pm

re: #108 maddogg

Heh.

112 Thanos  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:15:58pm

I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.

So we musn't let that happen.

113 Peter Verkooijen  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:27pm

Remarkable column.

Orson Scott Card may still want to consider himself a Democrat, he will quickly find out he's now on the dark side.

114 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:38pm

re: #112 Thanos

I think it's designed to keep him away from the press. He can keep them at arm's length and keep the subject away from Ayers til the flames die down.

So we musn't let that happen.

Running out the clock .......not his first rodeo ........

115 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:40pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

I suspect that if The Zero wins the election, we're in for another 4 years of raving hogwash extolling the Wonders of Dear Leader, etc. After 3 years of this I am so sick of it -- I only wish the MSM would grow tired of it -- but, I don't believe they will ever tire of their slimy pandering. What really grates is also (of course) the fact that all the MSM have slogans which suggest that they're all about "impartiality", "unbiased", "no bull", and "objectivity" -- all the while peddling falsehoods and frauds. I have to laugh -- they can't even describe what they're doing accurately (let alone write an accurate, investigative report..)

116 JHW  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:16:48pm

re: #104 JacksonTn

Joe's a hell of a lot more articulate than about 3/4s of our politicians.

117 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:11pm

re: #94 Maine's Michael

Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.

118 Gozer the Carpathian  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:32pm

I've enjoyed Mr. Card's work for many years now. From Ender's Game to his other political writings. Though he IS quite liberal in some areas. (I can hardly believe his "race relations" article) this one he nails it and shows some of his conservative leanings once again. :)

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

Hear hear!

119 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:17:42pm
120 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:24pm

Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.

As much as I can't stand him and what he represents, that isn't right.

121 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:35pm

Pretty soon, the early weather forecasts will be coming out for November 4th. Hopefully there will be some inclement weather in battleground states.

122 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:54pm

re: #54 SpartanWoman

Way to GO! I cancelled my NYT when they started shilling for terrorists in Iraq. I told them so. Asswipes

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

123 mfarmer1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:18:54pm

re: #104 JacksonTn

I wish Joe the Plumber would reach over and thump Colmes .....

He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.

124 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:47pm

the msm has so bought into this empty suit being so much more than he is.
they made up their minds that he was the ONE even before they looked closely at him.
they are committed to orchestrating his ascension and nothing he could do, no matter how dangerous or bad, will sway them.
something is really wrong w/ the msm.
obama is such a flawed candidate. he isn't qualified to hold even local office.
he is short on honesty, good character, integrity, intelligence, and leadership skills.
i can only imagine the msm has been bought off or they all have been collectively stuck dumb.
it is almost unfathomable that this socialist has sailed along so easily, so unchallenged, in his quest for the highest office in the land.

125 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:19:52pm

re: #123 mfarmer1

He's holding his own and answering questions more directly and with confidence than half the guests that regularly appear on such shows for a living.

He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.

126 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:06pm

re: #62 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Echo that. I remember trying to offer even milder misgivings in 2004 amongst my D friends and being castigated for it. That's back when I still thought i was a democrat.

No I know that I'm not.

127 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:10pm

A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:

Matthews: Why do you care enough to bring this up at the end of this campaign? Why is it an important election eve issue?

And later:

Matthews: Why is this so important that it's being pushed out on telephone calls to all the key states now with two weeks to go?

When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the fact-finders dirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?

I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.

128 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:15pm

re: #122 sparrowlake

NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell

129 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:20:43pm

re: #107 Steffan

Godspeed, SPC Fortunato. I pray comfort finds it way to your family.

130 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:19pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.

131 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:31pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

She was on a roundabout heading to the crumpet shoppe when a lorry went awry.

Wanker
/

132 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:21:39pm
Let's not speculate on nefarious reasons behind Obama going to see his sick grandmother.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean we can't remind others of the contempt he displayed for her, when it suited him.

133 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:07pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Tosser.
/Cheers!

134 mfarmer1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:29pm

re: #125 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

He's not concerned with "looking good" so he can come back. He just speaks his mind.

No kidding. I'd rather see more people like him running for/holding office even if I disagreed 100%. It's refreshing.

135 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:31pm

re: #122 sparrowlake

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

God, I hate the Star. I'm a firm Sun reader both here in Alberta and when I lived/grew up in Ontario. Their online sports section is great but otherwise.... *spit*

136 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:35pm

I'm taking a break from watching "The Candidate." Never seen it before. I had to stop for a bit because it was reminding me way too much of certain people.

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:36pm

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

138 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:36pm

re: #127 SlartyBartfast

A recent spin-off covered Chris Matthews interview with U.S. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Regarding Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, he kept asking:

When I watched the video, I wanted to scream: Where have you been, Matthews? George "your Christian faith" Stephanopoulos brought it up in one of the Democratic debates! Sean Hannity has been talking about it every day for a year! The blogs have covered it! If MSNBC had sent half the fact-finders dirt-diggers to Chicago that they sent to Wasilla, Alaska, they'd have dug up some Socialist-Ayers-Alinsky questions, no?

I hate the media. God forgive me, but I hate them all.

Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......

139 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #128 SpartanWoman

NYT offered me a few free months and I told them to go to hell

What do you have against hell?

140 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:02pm

Obi-Wan ......

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

141 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:20pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

What do you have against hell?

LOL. I thought maybe the devil could reforn Little Pinch and turn him into a less dishonest sort of demon

142 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:42pm

Killgore Trout (#117),

Obama's grandmother is older than McCain. It's probably real.

Yes, because people who aren't older than McCain don't get sick.

Outstanding logic.

143 Steffan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:51pm

re: #76 crown_of_feathers

Excellent post.

"...cynicism toward the MSM will be so great that it will go extinct." Truly, the MSM are committing suicide. They have gone beyond the pale in this election, in their disgusting bias. There is nothing - nothing - that I see in the media these days that I don't scrutinize as a perversion of the truth.

It's times like this that I miss the Weekly World News. Until I figured out the joke, I cringed when I saw pictures like Bush and Clinton walking with a space alien on the White House lawn. After I got the joke, I followed the continuing adventures of Batboy with a certain fascination. :)

At this point, however, the Weekly World News would be more trustworthy than the MSM. For that matter, the National Enquirer is more trustworthy than CNS, NBC, ABC, or CNN,

NYT stocks have dropped to about half what they were worth five years ago. Circulation is off, ad revenues are seriously off, and they had to fire a lot of people in their newsroom. They have yet to figure out why....

144 Moe Katz  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:24:55pm

re: #122 sparrowlake


I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?


They are owned by a wealthy left-liberal family and don't have to worry too much about their bottom line.

145 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:00pm

re: #130 nyc redneck

i question the timing.
sounds like a political stunt to appear like a normal human being.

No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'

146 Maine's Michael  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:22pm

How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?

Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.

147 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:26pm

Hope his grandmother illness is not severe and a speedy recovery

148 bolivar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:36pm

re: #100 JacksonTn

I think he deserves the same kind of respect that was given Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol ..... sorry if that sounds mean ...... but F*ck it ....... I am sick of their crap .......

Hate to agree with you JacksonTn but I must. This is just another ploy in the dhimmie game. I have no sympathy for Barry or his Grandmother other than I don't want her to really be ill. I am not like the scum in DU or KOS who wish all kinds of death and evil to befall conservatives and those eeeevil Republicans. I don't wish anybody ill - just want to have fairness and decency take over this g-d election. Is that really too much to ask?

You know as well as I do if the tables were turned the dhimmies would say tuff shittsky and you suck and all those other wonderful superlatives. Dhimmies have only one mode - attack and slime. They have some really slimy characters and the DU and KOSkids are prime examples.

149 spidly  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:37pm

re: #122 sparrowlake

Up here in Toronto we have an old, well-established leftard anti-Israeli rag called the Toronto Star. After putting up with its screeds for decades I finally cancelled about 5 years ago. They called me to ask why and I told them why I would not be renewing my subscription. They kept delivering at no charge for about 3 months after I cancelled and then tried to get me to resume. Every year since then they spontaneously start delivering again, usually for 2 or 3 months at a time.

I have called them regularly to tell them to stop wasting paper, to no avail. I have occasionally sent hostile emails to the editorial page editor(s), also to no avail. I just don't get it. Anyone else been subjected to this kind of persistent low-percentage marketing activity?

had the same problem with the Oregonian. Fortunately they started leaving it in the apt foyer rather than bringing it to the door so I could save myself the effort of chucking it. Calls offering 2 - 3 months free including the sunday edition didn't stop until I moved.
Since craig'slist, there is absolutely no reason to kill a tree for that leftist screed

150 saberry0530  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:25:56pm

re: #74 CyanSnowHawk

May she recover soon and be able to spend much time with him when the campaign is over and he has nothing to do.

He would still have the Senate thing to do . Would hate to see his "PRESENT" voting record screwed up!

151 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:08pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Tosser.
/Cheers!

Shut up you gits!

152 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:33pm

re: #57 Charles

Obama leaving campaign trail for a few days to visit sick grandmother in Hawaii...

...and he'll return with a "deathbed affidavit" indicating he was in fact born in Hawaii. "See! Look, right here. My mee-maw even signed it!"

I wasn't always such a cynic....well, that's not entirely true either. :(

153 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:39pm

Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.

154 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

155 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:42pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The first step is recognizing that your "friends" can be total lying sacks of...

156 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:44pm

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

157 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:44pm

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Oops. ///

158 Colin Nelson  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:26:59pm

Bravo Zulu to Mr. Card.

Finally a voice of passion, reason and common sense to say nothing of honesty in clearly saying to all, that the media emperor has no clothes.

Would that every print and electronic hack who has helped propagate this entire campaign of Obama smoke and mirrors be compelled, in the name of decency, to redeem those values of honesty and integrity that should be the hallmark of a free press.

The 'free' part of free press and 'free' speech must be earned and paid for every day or it is lost.

159 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:06pm

re: #91 SeafoodGumbo

BTW, I don't think Obama's grandmother really is sick. This seems like a manufactured incident of the Obama campaign to tug at the heartstrings of voters and try to make them forget that he's buds with terrorists, America-haters, black supremacists, criminals, and other assorted a-holes.


the cynic in me says yes, it is manufactured. the Powell story bought him a couple days of relief, a few days administering to his ailing grandmother buys him several more days.
a few more little distractions like this and time is over. it could be classic running out the clock strategy.

160 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:13pm

re: #146 Maine's Michael

How come we don;t hear anything from Michele Obama lately?

Perhaps she's too busy stuffing lobster and caviar and measurinbg drpaes for the Lincoln Bedroom.

She was in Rochester, MN, last week. But basically I think they're keeping her under wraps. She didn't even show at the 9/11 commemoration. The sort of thing First Ladies might be expected to attend...

161 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:27:46pm

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

162 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:35pm

He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious

163 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:41pm

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

That was the answer. Wow. When did DOS 6.1 add that feature. Bill Gates rocks!

164 artdog  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:28:57pm

Wonderful column by Mr. Card.

I have been a journalist (newspaper reporter and editor), as well as a business owner and currently work in a marketing capacity at a media company known for having a conservative, pro-business stance.

In my experience, the field of journalism attracts liberals, and they ASSUME that everybody else in their environment is liberal, and they tout their beliefs. Outside of the company where I work now, I've met about five non-leftie journalists in my life. And that may be a generous number.

Also -- most journalists have never done anything else in their adult lives besides write about OTHER people. They've never run a business or worked in business, so they don't understand economics or how profit and loss really works. It shows in their reporting. And I've only met two or three journalists who ever served in the military or even worked in a civilian job for the military. So most of them have no clue how it works, either.

Furthermore, newsrooms most certainly DO have liberal agendas. It's not hidden. Stories get buried, killed or ignored.

Not to impugn everyone. I actually do know honest journalists who happen to be liberals. But too many of them are out to further the political agenda of the left, and it's gotten way out of control this election cycle.

165 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:15pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

It was on the main site of FoxNews.com as well.

166 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:22pm

re: #120 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

With two weeks left, Obama's polling must show him comfortably ahead. Time to duck out and avoid another "Joe the Plumber" incident that might actually gain some traction. "Joe" gave McCain some lift, but not enough to put him over the top.

I don't think this "nefarious". It's merely an effort to derail the attacks on him, which may actually be eroding his lead at the margins, but not by enough to make a difference--yet.

And further attacks on Obama may look mean-spirited to at least some wavering voters in the context of the grieving grandson, Obama.

So the risk has been carefully calculated in the context of his lead, and the likely dynamics of the race. "At granny's bedside" is about as close to the Rose Garden as a non-incumbent with a substantial lead can get.

167 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:25pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Is the quoted text getting smaller over the last day? Or do I need to see an eye doctor, which I cannot afford, so maybe the Big O will send me to the eye doctor.

It's because your monitor screen is concave.

Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away.

/wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:

168 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:27pm

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

169 spidly  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:29:50pm

re: #161 DistantThunder

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

lie low until the grand re-opening 1/2 hour special

170 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:02pm

re: #142 Geepers

Outstanding logic.


Thanks.

171 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:12pm

Obama saw that Hillary's tear were effective, but this campaign would put a stress on any elderly relative. McCain's mom seems to handle it pretty well.
It was just easier on his grandmother when the Chicago machine paved the way for him instead of all this struggling for power.

172 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:24pm

re: #128 SpartanWoman

The Sun tried that with me - I declined. The caller asked why, I replied I didn't have a bird. The telemarketer was quiet a minute and then got back on script asking what it would take for me to be a trial subscriber. I said in light of the current financial status of newspapers I was pretty confident they would be unable to deliver the amount of cash to go along with their rag to make it worth it to me. I then offered the stunned silent sales girl a free bit of advice (because of their money problems) - that last offer needs quite a bit of editing, it was just way too easy for people like me. They should consider something along the lines of free internet along with the paper to make fact checking their butts that much more convenient for me, the customer. For some reason she hung up.

173 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:34pm

re: #22 MandyManners

I went and read the whole article. What a hack job. The article says "McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000." The article identifies DCI as the lobbying firm hired by Freddie Mac. Yet it does not say that Rick Davis works or worked for DCI. I had to look it up and it turns out that he did. By "taken," the author presumably means "accepted fees for services rendered," but taken sounds more sinister. There's also no evidence presented that Rick Davis was personally aware of the work DCI did for Freddie Mac or that he personally benefited from that account.

Of course, right there in the headline DCI is identified as a Republican firm. How can that be if they accepted an assignment from Freddie Mac to work against a Republican bill?

If anything, this demonstrates that Republicans were trying to stop the excesses at Freddie and Fannie and were thwarted by fatcat execs. I don't care who Hollis McLaughlin made contributions to, he's a sleazebag who successfully turned the Senate over to the Democrats so he could keep the good times rolling. Unfortunately, most people will see "Republican consulting firm" and assume that the eeeevil Republicans were the ones trying to prevent regulation, even though the exact opposite is true.

174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:35pm

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Shut up you gits!

Don't bugger the thread!

175 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:30:37pm

I wish no misfortune on 0's family, and that all turns out well. But 0 will find that the truth, unfortunately, is not something which respects family priorities. Nor can it be simply run from if it is coming. I hope we will not slack up in hitting the enemy with the truth during this time.

176 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:08pm

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.

For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.

177 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:48pm

re: #122 sparrowlake

Yes. I have a little mound of paper mache with tire tracks on my driveway every once in a while.

And if they are so green why not try going completely online?

Probably afraid of the competition I guess.

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:31:54pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

It's NLP, you know that. See, I used NLP on you, ha, ha.

179 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:04pm

re: #162 willowone

He added she is at home at her Honolulu apt and was released from the hospital late last week.
[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...]
please do not read the comments, some are atrocious

She was in a nursing home ...... she may be going home for hospice ..... I hope if she is very ill she passes in peace ...... as much as I cannot stand Senator Government ...... I do not know anything about his grandmother .....but while he is gone he is still not off limits ......

180 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:18pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama. Would they get published? Black listed? Given the Joe Plumber treatment? What would happen to them in an 0bama administration? Would the truth even be allowed? Perhaps the press doesn't realize the fire they're playing with.

For me though, all I can think of is how extremely disappointed our Founders would be in the modern msm. They have utterly failed the people, and yet have no sense of shame over it.

RACIST!

181 conrad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:33pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Hi Mandy. It's listed as UPI in my paper. I guess the wire services in general are picking this one up and running with it. Doesn't surprise me.

182 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

183 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:32:56pm

re: #172 ArmyWife

Their free trial periods are always based on the assumption that you will forget to cancel and they can start billing. The idea that I may owe one cent to the NYT is not worth it and if people see it on the driveway they will think I turned into a lib.

184 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:34pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

No.

185 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:43pm

Excellent article but it means nothing. The left sees that the deconstruction of America is close at hand and the American people have been dubbed into voting for it. It will start with Amnesty, bizarre and destructive taxes, demilitarization, widely corrupt spending, the suppression and destruction of business through green laws, new banking laws, witch hunts, IRS audits of enemies and end with the Patriot Act turned upon Americans but never terrorists.

186 Steffan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:34:50pm

re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's because your monitor screen is concave.

Quoted text is usually in the middle of a comment.
That puts it in the center of your monitor screen.
Your monitor screen is concave.
The quoted text appears smaller because it's further away.

/wondering if I can make you blow a mental fuse ... (-:

Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.

187 sparrowlake  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:02pm

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

You might have held down the ctrl button and rolled the touch pad (or, I assume, a mouse) which can change font size.

COOL!

188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:04pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT

I'm probably late to this story. Zombie found a Obama book review of Ayers book. Reported at Zombietime and picked up by World Net Daily (which I don't endorse, but)...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Go to zombietime, and to the comments for that post. Somewhere below #100 (where buzzsawmonkey began hammering them), one of the nutcases put William Ayers on the same plane as Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

189 Thanos  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:13pm

re: #173 doppelganglander

On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.

190 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:19pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

A friend of mine, Biff Rose, in his song "Buzz the Fuzz" (covered by David Bowie), has a line in the song...

"He was hip... hip... hip... hip-no-tized" in reference to a police officer turned on to drugs by a female hippie he had arrested.

191 conrad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:38pm

re: #53 MandyManners

The emphasis on this section was that individual employees donate to the Obama campaign completely ignoring the actual campaign donations given by the lobbying groups representing Freddie and Fanny. This little deflection leaves the reader with the image of lowly employees giving to the chosen one while the big company is giving to the Republicans.

192 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:35:45pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Damn, I've been hipno-tyzed!

No you haven't. See, I did it again!

193 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:21pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

The Founding Fathers wanted a decentralized press, if I recall my AP US history correctly. In the early years, they passed legislation to promote local news sources. They felt that a centralized press was destructive to democracy, since it was controlled by a few people and their opinions. And that's exactly what we have now, with huge corporations like the Tribune Co. owning lots of media all over the country.

So, yeah, I bet they're spinning in their graves now.

194 zoidberg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:30pm
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

Yeah, but you can't feel good about helping the poor when there's not many poor people around! This will help create more poverty so the Democratic party can help them! Win-win!

195 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:36:53pm

re: #138 JacksonTn

Michele Bachmann was on Mark Levin tonight ...... I posted in another thread her website to donate ...... Pelosi going into Minnesota to destroy her ..... bringing in $2 million to bring her down ......


Look at this biased piece of crap from, who else, AP:

`Anti-American' comments hurt Minn. rep's campaign

Their evidence? Her opponent received $800K in donations. I promise you little or none of it came from within the district. There's no poll results, not even a comment from a single person in the district. They can spend all the money in the world, but if it's a conservative district (as it appears to be), being attacked by Chris Matthews and Nancy Pelosi will only help her.

196 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:12pm

re: #185 pat


Hi, Sunshine!

197 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:24pm

re: #179 JacksonTn
agree, this election is serious.
honestly i don't know how i would handle this thrown into mix, as the adversary

198 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:31pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

I wonder what would happen to the honest journalist who did try to do a hard hitting, investigative report on 0bama.

Read The Spike sometime. Old, but good read on the very subject.

199 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:37:36pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?


what does it mean to play nice? to me supporting Obama is repugnant and against everything this country stands for. if someone comes on here in support of Obama its a downding for me. nothing personal and no inflammatory speech, but with me anyway there is no grey area where we can reach out and come together on it.

200 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:02pm

What kind of heartless right wing thug could possibly criticize The One at a time like this?

OK, maybe I'll start...

201 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:05pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

Wait- so dinging someone down is now mean? I don't think so.

Also- you want to play nice with a lot of people who will not give us the same courtesy. Sure- some 0bama supporters are nice folks. I'm related to a couple. But do you really think the people hitting ciaospirit are going to give us that courtesy? Really?

202 TheMatrix31[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:22pm
203 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:29pm

re: #186 Steffan

Heh. Looks like it is smaller. Normal text appears to be roughly 10-point, and quoted text looks like maybe 8-point. Depending, of course, what your "View" settings are on your display.

You have a concave monitor too?

/fer cryin' out loud, gang ... I'm KIDDING!

204 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:33pm

re: #145 CyanSnowHawk

No No No No. He gets a pass on this. It is too easy to confirm his Grandmother's health, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is wrong to speculate that this is some kind of 'stunt.'

he is such a narcissist. it is difficult to imagine he is capable of really caring abt. anyone. that is my observation of him. a calculating, self serving thug.
who also referred to his grandmother as "a typical white person."
of course, i do wish her well if she is sick.

205 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:41pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

Here in Alberta, if a journalist had the audacity to write a critical column about (ahem) a certain party/leader (this is at the provincial level), then said journalist was, indeed, put on a black list...that meant -- no phone calls accepted, no invites, literally, the person/journalist no longer existed, they were punished...a career ender (and the politicians would play nice only with those who wrote nice things about the pols -- the double standard was obvious for all to see, the intimidation of those who refused to play along, obvious to all, etc. That's how political bosses operate...I'm sure the Obama team is very familiar with such tactics...and I expect it will continue for the duration of Obama's presence.)

206 SiddFinch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:38:53pm

This column explains perfectly why I no longer trust the MSM. I have started referring to National Review as "the paper". i come here and a few other blogs to find out what the MSM is trying to hide from me. this is an excellent column and EVERY editorial page editor in the nation needs to take it to heart.

207 VioletTiger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:32pm

re: #161 DistantThunder

Something is very fishy about the timing of this. Or it could be all the stress she's under from hearing all the lies her grandson is telling.

Trying to head off 'ol Andy Martin perhaps?

208 yah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:39:50pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton
Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

209 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:34pm

[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]

This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.

210 jaunte  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I wasn't in on the down-dinging of that post, but if someone comes in and states their opinion garnished with the thought that everyone else that disagrees is part of the frog chorus from Aristophanes, they've gotten off on the wrong foot all by themselves.

211 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:53pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

I haven't been on most of the afternoon and evening, so to learn that USMC1968 passed away is certainly sad news. My thoughts and condolences go out to his family. And as you say, Obama supporters come in all stripes and types - and you can and should be vocal in your position, but never let it get personal. Life's way too short for that.

212 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:40:54pm

re: #205 J.S.

Didn't the 0bama campaign kick the new yorker staff out after the infamous cover?

213 Charles  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:40pm

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

If John McCain is the nominee, we’re going to have at least four years of a Democrat in the White House.

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:41:53pm
215 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:23pm

I received a "Breaking News" e-mail about Sen. Obama's grandmother's health and his decision to call off his campaign events on Thursday and Friday to go and be with her.

First, my prayers for Mrs. Madelyn Payne Dunham, for her health and comfort.

Second, if she has been so ill these last number of days, why hasn't her grandson gone out before this?

Third, same premise as second point, why isn't he going out there tomorrow?

Something's not right about this. I have great sympathy for him in his grandma's illness, and compassion for Mrs. Dunham.

But why wait?

216 jaunte  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

Off of the plane with you!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:16pm

re: #208 yah

Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

See this one by SeafoodGumbo. It works!

re: #154 SeafoodGumbo

218 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:27pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!

219 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:30pm

re: #213 Charles

But did you think the democrats would nominate such a flaming marxist at the time? And who could have predicted the PUMAs?

220 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:30pm

Sharmuta (#201),

Come on Sharmuta, it's time to accept the inevitable and begin sucking up to our new overlords.

221 snowcrash  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:33pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout
No.

222 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:40pm

re: #184 maddogg

No.

Fair enough. I dig your brevity.

223 SiddFinch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:43:41pm

re: #29 ClosetConservative

Anybody have a link to the new stories about the angry lefties whacking McCain supporters in the face or the firebombed McCain sign? I'm feeling like taking the NYT to task right now for now giving either of those front-page play like they did when ONE PERSON in a McCain crowd shouted something uncouth.

it is worst than that...the secret service at the event in question said that nobody heard anyone in the crowd yell "kill him". the only person who heard it is the "reporter" who printed the lie..er.. i mean story.

224 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #221 snowcrash

#222 ditto.

225 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:44:26pm

re: #213 Charles

Troll!

226 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:13pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

I can't recall (you're referring to that cartoon -- the one with michelle Obama wearing the combat boots with Afro, now that was funny -- btw, it was drawn by a Canadian cartoonist...got a lot of press up here...)

227 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:18pm

re: #183 SpartanWoman

You are so right! I will need to remember this! Should they happen to miss the great big frowny face that I am sure they put next to my phone number and call again, I shall respond "Thank you, but no. Someone of my position simply cannot risk a sullying of reputation should passers by see your rag in my driveway. The horrors of someone thinking I've gone and turned lib!"

228 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:21pm

at this point I'm so damn grateful we even have a chance! with all the media lies, voter fraud

lre: #213 Charles

229 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:45pm

re: #213 Charles

Or was that a joke about McCain's RINO status?

230 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:45:59pm

re: #189 Thanos

On top of that if you read the list of Republicans opposed they are the usual crowd of almost Democrats - Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snow, etc.

That's the list of who did and didn't sign Hegel's letter asking McConnell for a vote. Not signing the letter doesn't necessarily mean they supported or opposed the bill. However, if they supported the bill but didn't sign the letter, it could have been because Freddie Mac's attacks were having an impact on them.

Honestly, I am at a loss as to why an ostensibly Republican firm would accept a contract to destroy Republicans. Something here does not pass the smell test.

231 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:00pm
232 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:01pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

man oh man this has put the fear of Hashem back in me.

233 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:05pm

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

Charles voted for ROMNEY in the primary. Another Cato troll. Ding him down. We can't have any of that here.
/

234 bolivar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:38pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

Gee Killgore I am not. This is a tough crowd and frankly to come in here pushing the sOcialist is just not going to go over well. We don't really mind valid and compelling discussion but, when all you put up is the usual talking points you will lose here as you should lose in real life. The fact that obambi has the media in his pocket is the only REAL reason he is polling well. If they told the truth he NEVER WOULD HAVE WON THE NOMINATION and you know it. Get over it.

And yes, anybody that supports obambi has a screw or two loose and has been leaking brain matter. I don't know of a SINGLE SUPPORTER of obambi and I live in Rhode Island the most blue state I know of. Anybody once told of his tax policy (that he has lied about repeatedly) who was a supporter of o soon moves away from the dark side of the force (no pun intended here folks). If you are not dhimmie don't bother to run for office in this state. Our Governor Carcieri is the only exception and he is an good guy facing a hopelessly dhimmie legislature. I must admit they actually agreed with his budget proposals and almost got the budget deficit fixed until the local labor goons said not so fast. Dhimmies are bad for business, babies and our general welfare. Can't you get it through your head that socialism is not a good thing and that the slippery slope is getting very steep and greased with the bs that obambi is spewing.

You will note that dhimmie and obambi are not capitalized - they don't deserve this effort.

235 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:44pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

With the Bush Administration's Secretary of the Treasury running around Washington with his hair on fire, screaming "Panic, panic!", I'm not surprised that many Americans chalk up the economic woes confronting us to the GOP.

If Bush and Paulson are honorable, which I must assume, then they've sacrificed John McCain's prospects of election for the greater national good by addressing an economic crisis that could not have been timed worse for the Republican ticket. Had they delayed as the market tanked, and blamed the Democrats for the crisis, then they might have done better electorially, but the economy would have done much worse.

Further, cooperation with the Democrats was necessary for a legislative solution, and name-calling would have ensured the failure of any rescue package until next January. This realty forced the failing Republicans to fall on their swords for the greater good of the nation.

I'm not optimistic about this election cycle, but I am optimistic about the future of the American nation. We've weathered horrible presidents and congresses before.

236 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:49pm

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

Lets hope you're a better web master and bike rider than political prognosticator

237 Charles  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:50pm

I'm not ready to give up, though.

238 lifeofthemind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:51pm

Charles,
I use IE-7 on the PC. No big problem getting into PJM or Yahoo. Emptying cache did not help. Moving to the Macbook where Safari works fine. Logged in as my evil twin Skippy.

239 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:54pm

re: #233 Walter L. Newton
i liked Hunter, heh

240 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:46:58pm

re: #215 Intrepid

Consider too that before August he hadn't seen her in 18 months.

I'm going to assume she's genuinely ill until evidence comes to the contrary, but the moment he threw her under the bus in the race speech back in the spring was the moment I really started disliking him. You just don't do that.

241 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:11pm

yah (#208),

Yes, the quoted text is smaller. I too am having a hard time with it and have to skip it when my eyes get tired.

Go the "My Account" page. You can change the text sizes and styles there to suit you.

242 ArmyWife  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:13pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

That was my first thought. =)

243 snowcrash  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:47:55pm

I don't let my side down. I won't give up until the results are in.

244 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:48:20pm

re: #237 Charles

I'm not ready to give up, though.

Me neither. converted a few undecideds and got some libs to turn Nader.

245 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:48:23pm

re: #153 DistantThunder

Just heard on CBS radio that Obama is suspending his campaign for a few days to visit his grandmother who is ill.

Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .

/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas

246 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:12pm

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.

247 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:32pm

re: #245 Florida Lady

Watch McCain do the same thing "out of respect" and all that . . .

/Gosh, don't want to give him any ideas

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:49:42pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Troll!

LOL!

249 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:10pm

Oh, and if the McCain campaign needs any pointers on how it should conduct itself while the 0 is off in Hawaii, they need only review the 0 campaign's "restraint" while McCain was on Capitol Hill trying to deal with the debt crisis, in the service of his constituents and his country. Let the 0 seek mercy where it will. Politically, I hope we will show it none.

250 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:10pm
251 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:18pm

re: #247 arethusa

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

GMTA!

252 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:39pm

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:


I hope to hell you were wrong.

253 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:50:57pm

re: #209 Little Doxie

[Link: www.contrariancommentary.com...]

This was posted by one of Greta's posters, not sure if it means anything
but the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii on Saturday.


This is the link for the lawsuit.

254 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:01pm

re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint

I logged-in, went to your link and deservedly down-dinged it. Hogwash!

It's now at -61, including my down ding. I have respect for long-timers here, but I will not concede that an Obama presidency is "not going to be so bad for the country".

And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.

255 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:32pm

I'm keeping all my darker suspicions to myself

256 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:34pm

I may have to reconsider my habitual annoyance with Noam Chomsky. While endorsing Obama, he told Der Spiegel "The European reaction to Obama is a European delusion."

So true.

257 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:37pm

re: #247 arethusa

I just had the same thought. Ugh.

He might want to express how grateful he is that his 96 year old mother is in such great shape.

258 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:49pm

If MEchelle is coming in as second string while Senator Government is gone ..... I say let's get it on .......She is no longer off limits after that NYT article on Cindy McCain ........

259 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:51:58pm

re: #107 Steffan

To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)

260 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #246 DistantThunder

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.

There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.

261 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:04pm

re: #246 DistantThunder

A lawsuit to demand his birth certificate was just filed. I thought there was a posting of of a contemporaneous news announcement of his birth published at HOTair.


Lawsuit info
link

262 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:12pm

If McCain suspends his campaign too, he doesn't deserve to win a damn thing.

263 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:55pm

re: #254 Intrepid

And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.


Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.

264 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:56pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Let me tell you about pie. There are three thousand varieties of pie, which can be prepared four hundred seven thousand different ways, and consumed million of others ways . . .z z z z z z (trance).

(Actual Obama speech, demonstrating "Milton method" of hypnosis. Is he a natural, or did he just luck out?) LOL!

265 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:57pm
266 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:52:58pm

re: #254 Intrepid

It's now at -61, including my down ding. I have respect for long-timers here, but I will not concede that an Obama presidency is "not going to be so bad for the country".

And I will not apologize for my down-ding, either.

Not so bad? It will be an unprecedented cowpile disaster!

267 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:03pm
Me neither. converted a few undecideds and got some libs to turn Nader.

(emphasis mine)

That's a good strategy. Remind the typical leftist that Hussein "is so clean," and that's bound to turn off a large proportion of the hygienically impaired demographic.

268 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:33pm

re: #260 doppelganglander

This one was filed on 10/18 in Hawaii, is that the same? I had seen
the earlier debunkings, thought this might be new.

269 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:42pm

I didn't downding but it sure seemed to me that Cato was trying to push people's buttons. Not surprised that he got mega-dinged.

270 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:54pm

re: #260 doppelganglander

There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.

Different guy I think - check this out

271 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:53:54pm

First question from the press tomorrow:

Senator McCain, given the unfortunate circumstances with Senator Obama's grandmother, are you going to suspend your campaign?

272 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:06pm

re: #181 conrad

Hi Mandy. It's listed as UPI in my paper. I guess the wire services in general are picking this one up and running with it. Doesn't surprise me.

My paper has it as AP but, the link I posted shows it originated with AP IMPACT. I wonder if the editor screwed it up.

273 SpartanWoman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:15pm

re: #267 RedWhiteAndJew

(emphasis mine)

That's a good strategy. Remind the typical leftist that Hussein "is so clean," and that's bound to turn off a large proportion of the hygienically impaired demographic.

The Nader approach is particularly useful with green libs

274 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:15pm

Really, regardless of who wins or loses - i am furious with the republican party for allowing the populace to languish in ignorance about the state of the US. The republican party needs to become a learning organization teaching future voters about the capitalist system. Kids don't learn it in school - and unless you run a small business or work on wall street people don't have an understanding of how the parts work together.

it is our reponsibility as a party to educate, educate, educate so that citizens are innocculated against this socialism Santa Claus routine.

275 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:19pm

re: #262 TheMatrix31

If McCain suspends his campaign too, he doesn't deserve to win a damn thing.

Are there recognized rules on this sort of thing? I mean, if a close family member of my opponent were to die (by which I mean spouse, parent, child), I'd suspend my campaign. Beyond that, I'm not sure.

276 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:20pm

I voted for Mitt too, but I got an arranged marriage to McCain, who IS a RINO. But he is way, Way better than the Communist.

277 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:32pm

I lived in AZ for 25 years. I respect McCain immensely. HOWEVER, I voted for him in the Texas primary only in order to stop a potential last-gasp, party-dividing effort by Huckabee.

That said, I think McCain/Palin can, and will, take Obama (with the PUMAs considerable help.)

278 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:54:58pm

re: #268 Little Doxie

This one was filed on 10/18 in Hawaii, is that the same? I had seen
the earlier debunkings, thought this might be new.

Looks like I was wrong and this one is new. The other one was filed by a fellow named Berg. This suit looks to be equally crackpot and pointless. He's just pimping his anti-Obama book.

279 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:55:31pm

re: #259 logboy

To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)

Logboy ...... thanks for posting that ...... LET'S ROLL and win this election .....for SPC Fortunato ........

280 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:13pm

re: #260 doppelganglander

There was. The lawsuit was filed a couple of months ago. It's complete hogwash; the person behind it is apparently a Troofer.

But I think there is suspicion that he was adopted by his indonesian father and renounced his citizenship and was not naturalized when he returned. I don't know the particulars of those laws.

281 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:17pm

re: #278 doppelganglander

Thanks, didn't know.

282 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:56:31pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble. Now it looks like the Left, the hard Left, are fixing to take power. Bluntly, we need to be thinking hard about whatever we can do to render them, if not harmless, well, ineffectual.

Whatever it takes. We should have learned from the last 20 years. I'm not going to give them any more chance than the Left did Bush, and hopefully a lot less.

Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.

283 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:22pm

Do NOT let me alone with Huckabee - he is responsible for dividing the conservative vote.

284 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:35pm

re: #275 arethusa

Are there recognized rules on this sort of thing? I mean, if a close family member of my opponent were to die (by which I mean spouse, parent, child), I'd suspend my campaign. Beyond that, I'm not sure.

I don't know. I wouldn't. You put out a nice statement, send your condolences, but move on. It's too late in the game, and too dire of a situation to stop campaigning for a CRUCIAL few days.

It's just not right.

285 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:57:50pm
286 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:16pm

re: #213 Charles

I initially preferred Giuliani because of his great work reducing crime and the welfare rolls here in NYC. When he dropped out, I switched to Mitt. McCain has done better than I expected, mostly because of his selection of Palin.

And love him or hate him, McCain's gift to us all is Sarah Palin, the next dynamic leader of the GOP.

287 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:21pm

re: #276 maddogg

I voted for Mitt too, but I got an arranged marriage to McCain, who IS a RINO. But he is way, Way better than the Communist.

I didn't want McCain either, but we have to play with the hand we're dealt. He's far better than a marxist puppet. And when it comes to energy independence, I believe he wants to solve this issue. There are some things he's stumped on that I agree with and support.

288 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:58:41pm

Talking with a co-worker today...
"So why are you supporting Obama? Any particular policy of his, or..."
"Oh, Teddy Kennedy is supporting him. That's good enough for me!"
*here I sit, banging head on keyboard*

289 Fredlike  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:00pm

The Hawaiian birth is not off any importance. it does not matter if Obama was born in Hawaii or in Kenya and his mother just registered his birth in Hawaii (which was allowed, and would be where the newspaper notice came from). He was a US and a Kenyan (or british commonwealth) citizen at the time either way. His Kenyan citizenship was automatically dropped when he turned 18 with out exercising his rights to it.

The interesting point is his potential Indonesian citizenship, He would have received it when adopted by his Step Father and would have had to formally renounced it. Unlike Kenya there is no automatic renouncement. So he could be a dual citizen now. I do not think he would be because his mother probably never gave up his US passport and the US would probably not have recognized the Indonesian citizenship.

290 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:13pm

re: #241 Geepers

yah (#208),

Go the "My Account" page. You can change the text sizes and styles there to suit you.

There's always this option...

291 captain joe  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:24pm

Have you noticed that the value of the Dollar has recently risen in comparison with other currencies and also with oil, the major commodity. I think the sheiks are purposely lowering the price for oil because oil is purchased with dollars and the sheiks want the value of the jillions of dollars they currently have in their banks to increase. They must be ready to buy something big.

292 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:30pm
293 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:38pm

re: #287 Sharmuta

I didn't want McCain either, but we have to play with the hand we're dealt. He's far better than a marxist puppet. And when it comes to energy independence, I believe he wants to solve this issue. There are some things he's stumped on that I agree with and support.

I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.

294 DeeAitch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:45pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

What harm did a down ding ever do anyone? I never even check whether I get dinged. I think I'll ding you down, but I don't hate you.

And I know plenty of Obama voters. I quip at them and they quip back. I used to do this even when Democratic candidates weren't alumni of the New Left.

295 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:46pm

re: #282 Iron Fist


Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble.
....
Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.


Well, then McCain is your man. I'm sure it will work out great.
/
P.S. Sorry for the gay rape joke earlier but I still think it was damn funny and you have to admit you set yourself up for that one.

296 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 6:59:56pm

Can I share something strange I saw this afternoon?

The Kid and I drove into the park's parking lot and there was a car with bumperstickers for the state senate's Democrat contender and a sticker that read: PALIN FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS.

I was blown away!

297 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:12pm

re: #237 Charles

Never give up. There's no margin in surrender. Make them work their asses off for even the tiniest insignificant gain. It should absolutely suck to be them.

298 ciaospirit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:21pm

When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.

299 bolivar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:23pm

re: #237 Charles

I'm not ready to give up, though.

Ditto, never give up - never surrender.....Galaxy Quest.

We just cannot afford to give up - too much depends on it. Perhaps our very lives and the lives of our children. You think this is alarmist - you are g-d right it is alarmist. We need to sound this alarm loud and long - obambi is bad for the United States and we need to make EVERY LIVING SOUL aware of that.

300 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:52pm

re: #259 logboy

Thank you for reposting that. Godspeed SPC Stephen Fortunato. Your family will remain in my prayers and thoughts.

301 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:53pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

Let's face it ... People support slavery and the dissolution of the Union. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?

I'm not sure I see the difference between supporting Obama and supporting slavery (socialism) and the likely end of the Union.

302 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:56pm

Iron Fist (#282),

Over the last 20-30 years "reaching across the aisle" has meant giving the Democrats what they ask for, and then getting your arm ripped off at the shoulder for your trouble. Now it looks like the Left, the hard Left, are fixing to take power. Bluntly, we need to be thinking hard about whatever we can do to render them, if not harmless, well, ineffectual.

Whatever it takes. We should have learned from the last 20 years. I'm not going to give them any more chance than the Left did Bush, and hopefully a lot less.

Compromise is just another way of saying "I surrender". Fuck that shit.

Hear, hear!

303 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:00:58pm

re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint

I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.

That's one way of putting it.

304 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:01pm

So, can anybody explain to me why when I upding someone (Sharmuta being the last one) I automatically get booted back to the front page?

305 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:42pm

re: #237 Charles

We certainly shouldn't give up. Two weeks in an election cycle is an eternity.

306 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:01:58pm
307 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:05pm

re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint

I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.

By contrast, Joe Biden is not only a horrible V-P candidate, but will also make a horrible V-P if it comes to that./

*still doesn't understand why The One chose him, even though I called it in the office pool*

308 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:07pm

re: #304 maddogg

Glitch in the matrix?

309 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:24pm

re: #290 goddessoftheclassroom

There's always this option...

Or this one.

MWAH!

BTW, I was almost on my way out of the room to watch a movie. Will probably do that in a few moments.

Did you get my email about USMC1968?

310 guzziguy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:29pm

re: #298 ciaospirit

When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.

I may have a guess as to where to look for a suspect.

311 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:02:59pm

We can only hope Joe Biden will be giving all Senator Government's speeches in his absence .......

312 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:03:04pm

re: #237 Charles

I'm not ready to give up, though.

Good news, sir. Good news.

We can win this thing if we stay the course and keep our family, friends and neighbors who are planning to vote for Mac/Sarah upbeat!

If we give in to defeatism, many will stay home on November 4. And we will be defeated, that's for sure.

313 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:10pm

re: #311 JacksonTn

We can only hope Joe Biden will be giving all Senator Government's speeches in his absence .......

Nope. Michelle. May she have another slip like the this-is-the-first-time-I'm-proud-of-my-country one.

314 VioletTiger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:15pm

FYI, Cindy McCain on Greta now.

315 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:35pm

re: #304 maddogg

So, can anybody explain to me why when I upding someone (Sharmuta being the last one) I automatically get booted back to the front page?

The lesson is, be careful where it is you put your hands upon Sharmuta.

316 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:04:36pm

re: #290 goddessoftheclassroom

Is Cato the Elder on your list? If not could you please add him?

317 PrinceofGotham  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:20pm

5 day suspension means the final 10 days they will spend $20 Million per day.
Line up with a bucket kids, it will be raining cash.

318 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:26pm

re: #291 captain joe

Have you noticed that the value of the Dollar has recently risen in comparison with other currencies and also with oil, the major commodity. I think the sheiks are purposely lowering the price for oil because oil is purchased with dollars and the sheiks want the value of the jillions of dollars they currently have in their banks to increase. They must be ready to buy something big.

The Presidential Election seems to be "For Sale" section of craigslist.

319 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:30pm

re: #293 unrealizedviewpoint

I think McCain is a horrible candidate, but will make an excellent President.

Precisely!

321 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:44pm

re: #315 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The lesson is, be careful where it is you put your hands upon Sharmuta.

I'll try to remember that.

322 snowcrash  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:47pm

re: #277 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Ha, I voted Hillary in the TX primary to block Obama and I'm a registered Republican. Now my voter card is stamped with Dem. until I get a new one. UGH

323 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:48pm

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Or this one.

MWAH!

BTW, I was almost on my way out of the room to watch a movie. Will probably do that in a few moments.

Did you get my email about USMC1968?

I just checked--thank you. I have tears in my eyes, but I am thankful that he is at peace and in the arms of the Lord.

324 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:05:54pm

Is Biden also running for re-election to the Senate?

326 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:37pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Is Cato the Elder on your list? If not could you please add him?

I will be glad to--do you think he would mind?

327 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:06:58pm

re: #315 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

328 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:03pm

re: #240 arethusa

Consider too that before August he hadn't seen her in 18 months.

I'm going to assume she's genuinely ill until evidence comes to the contrary, but the moment he threw her under the bus in the race speech back in the spring was the moment I really started disliking him. You just don't do that.

Who waits 18 months to see the woman who raised them? Unless they're not in the same hemisphere, which has happened to me. But still.....

Yep, when he threw her under the bus in his race speech, "My grandmother was being a typical white person", that turned me off.

No matter what, you don't throw the person who raised you, who sacrificed for you so that you could have a decent life, under the bus for political points.

329 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:12pm

re: #320 Gus 802

Some campaign news from Colorado:

Palin talks one-on-one with 9NEWS

Palin continues tax talk in trip through Colorado

Crowd Excitement Grows, Crowd RSVPS Over 15,000

So, while the media continues complaining about access to Palin, she's giving more interviews and press time than Obama and Biden combined, and Biden has to be holed up somewhere - an underground bunker in Dover perhaps, to avoid being caught saying something stupid, which is unavoidable since he's always saying something stupid.

330 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:15pm

I guess I should report: The Metropolitan Republican Club on the Upper East Side here in NYC was broken into, and the McCain materials vandalized. The bronze plaque that has identified the building as "The Metropolitan Republican Club" since the 1930s also was ripped off the wall at our street entrance.

We've never seen this level of violence before in a presidential election in our living memory. As Peggy Noonan said, the flying monkeys are abroad, ushering in the Obama regime.

331 VioletTiger  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:16pm

re: #298 ciaospirit

When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.


Poison ivy, gang. They may get your sign, but they'll get their gift later.

332 Fredlike  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:27pm

There is a reason it took McCain this long to get the Republican nomination. He is not a great candidate and I did not support him in the primaries. But lets face it, the others were worse campaigners even if you may have supported their positions. Maybe the conservatives splitting over Huckabee and Romney, with no counter-split by the liberals hurt the conservative side some but even without that it would have been tough for either to get the nomination.

McCain picking Palin is the only thing keeping it close. That brought back some of the social conservatives that would have sat it out otherwise. I think she will get McCain to the finish line even if she has to drag him there.

333 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:30pm

re: #200 The Shadow Do

His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.

334 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:36pm

re: #325 sandspur

Mandy, that is one hell of a read.

I don't know quite what to make of it.

335 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:07:39pm

Have Faith

Many of us are now enjoying $2.69 a gallon gas.
Nancy Peloski, Harry Reid and Obamba will stop off shore oil production.

Their liberal tree hugging friends will make sure of that.
Gas will go to $6-$8 dollars a gallon.

McCain will try to keep these prices lower and maybe get a few Nuke plants up and running.

I predict by Nov. 4, election day,
gas will be 2 dollars a gallon,

McCain will win.

336 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:14pm

re: #258 JacksonTn

If MEchelle is coming in as second string while Senator Government is gone ..... I say let's get it on .......She is no longer off limits after that NYT article on Cindy McCain ........

i;ve only seen glowing, fawning praise abt. the ghastly hater, michelle.

337 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:23pm

Taste of good news? Missouri Gov. hints that McC is leading internally.

Blunt's polls on HCF

338 JHW  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:35pm

Extract from a speech by Frederick Douglass, Jan. 13, 1865 "On the Mission of the War". I claim no exact parallels, but there are a lot of similarities;


The position of the Democratic party in relation to the war ought to surprise nobody. It is consistent with the history of the party for thirty years. Slavery, and only slavery, has been its recognized master during all that time. It early won for itself the title of being the natural ally of the South and of slavery. It has always been for peace or against peace, for war and against war, precisely as dictated by slavery. Ask why it was for the Florida War, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for the Mexican War, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for the annexation of Texas, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was opposed to habeas corpus when a Negro was the applicant, and it answers slavery. Ask why it is now in favor of the habeas corpus, when rebels and traitors are the applicants for its benefits, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it was for mobbing down freedom of speech a few years ago, when that freedom was claimed by the Abolitionists, and it answers, slavery. Ask why it now asserts freedom of speech, when sympathizers with traitors claim that freedom, and again slavery is the answer. Ask why it denied the right of a state to protect itself against possible abuses of the fugitive Slave Bill, and you have the same old answer. Ask why it now asserts the sovereignty of the states separately as against the states united, and again slavery is the answer. Ask why it was opposed to giving persons claimed as fugitive slaves a jury trial before returning them to slavery; ask why it is now in favor of giving jury trial to traitors before sending them to the forts for safekeeping; ask why it was for war at the beginning of the Rebellion; ask why it has attempted to embarrass and hinder the loyal government at every step of its progress, and you have but one answer, slavery.

It has now assumed a saintly character. Its members would receive the benediction due to peacemakers. At one time they would stop bloodshed at the South by inaugurating bloody revolution at the North. The livery of peace is a beautiful livery, but in this case it is a stolen livery and sits badly on the wearer. These new apostles of peace call themselves Peace Democrats, and boast that they belong to the only party which can restore the country to peace. I neither dispute their title nor the pretensions founded upon it. The best that can be said of the peacemaking ability of this class of men is their bitterest condemnation. It consists in their known treachery to the loyal government. They have but to cross the rebel lines to be hailed by the traitors as countrymen, clansmen, kinsmen, and brothers beloved in a common conspiracy. But, fellow-citizens, I have far less solicitude about the position and the influence of this party than I have about that of the great loyal party of the country. We have much less to fear from the bold and shameless wickedness of the one than from the timid and short-sighted policy of the other.

I know we have recently gained a great political victory; but it remains to be seen whether we shall wisely avail ourselves of its manifest advantages. There is danger that, like some of our Generals in the field, who, after soundly whipping the foe, generously allow him time to retreat in order, reorganize his forces, and intrench himself in a new and stronger position, where it will require more power and skill to dislodge him than was required to vanquish him in the first instance. The game is now in our hands. We can put an end to this disloyal party by putting an end to Slavery. While the Democratic party is in existence as an organization, we are in danger of a slaveholding peace,

339 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:44pm

re: #323 goddessoftheclassroom

I just checked--thank you. I have tears in my eyes, but I am thankful that he is at peace and in the arms of the Lord.

See Killgore's just a few up re Cato

340 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:08:48pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

BTW: I'm a little disappointed today to see that Cato The Elder (#19) on this thread got 58 dings. After the passing of USMC1968 today it gives me pause. Let's face it; People support Obama. They are not all idiots, they have not been hypnotized, they are not all stupid. They are family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, bosses, etc. but they are still people. We're going to have to get used to dealing with them and listening to their thoughts. Can't we just play nice?


I don't really think a down-ding is all that "mean". And Cato kind of asked for it, the way he poisoned the well.

341 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:17pm

If I were in the McCain camp I would be looking for something big to announce on Thursday, the day Obama is taking off for Hawaii. not a negative attack, some kind of new initiative, or a big positive speech on the economy and/or foreign policy. maybe a big endorsement if he has any left. something that will grab the attention in a positive way while Obama is doing whatever he is doing in Hawaii.

342 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:21pm

re: #280 DistantThunder

But I think there is suspicion that he was adopted by his indonesian father and renounced his citizenship and was not naturalized when he returned. I don't know the particulars of those laws.

A parent can't renounce citizenship on behalf of a child. (And if anyone were to renounce citizenship, it would be his mother. Lolo worked for an American company and was baffled by Ann's anti-American attitude.) It seems that under Indonesian law at the time, you had to be an Indonesian citizen to enroll in school. Little Barry was enrolled by his stepfather as a Muslim under the name Barry Soetoro. That may indicate an adoption, or maybe just a little deception to put the kid in school.

To complicate matters, Barack was a citizen by birth of the British Empire, which controlled Kenya in 1961, through his father. When Kenya became independent, he acquired Kenyan citizenship. Kenya does not recognize dual citizenship for adults. At his 21st birthday, he would have had to renounce his U.S. citizenship and get a Kenyan passport, which he did not do. So at least we know he's not a Kenyan citizen.

However, when Barack went to Pakistan on his magical mystery tour in 1981, he allegedly traveled on his Indonesian passport. (He also swung by Indonesia to see mom and sis.) This was handy, since at the time Pakistan was on a State Department list of countries that were off limits to Americans. Obviously Indonesia only gives passports to Indonesian citizens. I have no information on how or when he acquired that passport, whether it ever expired, or what happened later. I also have no idea what the State Department would have to say about an American citizen over the age of 18 holding an Indonesian passport. I tend to think they frown on such shenanigans.

I'm sorry this is so long-winded, and probably contains more information than you ever wanted to hear. I hope some of it is helpful.

343 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:24pm

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom

do you think he would mind?


I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.

344 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:28pm

re: #325 sandspur

The media will focus on the part where it was GOPers who were being lobbied and McCain taking on the lobbyist from Freddie Mac, but ignore that it was Freddie Mac who was doing the secret deal with the firm to lobby against additional regs, and it was Freddie that was cooking the books.

Johnson and Raines have to be held accountable for their actions as head of Fannie and Freddie, and yet they're busy advising Obama's campaign (and Johnson was on the VP search committee).

Guess which part gets more coverage and attention - that's right - McCain hiring the lobbyist, not Obama's close ties of his own to Fannie and Freddie.

345 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:31pm

re: #330 quickjustice

... As Peggy Noonan said, ...

Peggy Noonan said that? I don't think so. huh?

346 yah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:09:45pm

re: #241 Geepers
thanks Geepers - yes it is neat that I can change the fonts, but there is not a choice for a bigger font for the quoted text. I just need to put the old bent out of shape $2.95 reading glasses on. Maybe I'll spring for a new pair when I get my Obama tax cut. But I'll be seeing nothing but red then!

347 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:42pm

re: #324 Taqyia2Me

Is Biden also running for re-election to the Senate?

Yeah. I heard that if he becomes V-P, his son Beau - the Attorney General of DE - will take his seat over.

348 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:42pm

re: #333 FamHistoryGuy

His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.

Actually not going until Thursday or Friday and coming back Saturday
per Greta's Blog.

349 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:56pm

re: #335 ibmkeyboard

Have Faith

Many of us are now enjoying $2.69 a gallon gas.
Nancy Peloski, Harry Reid and Obamba will stop off shore oil production.

Their liberal tree hugging friends will make sure of that.
Gas will go to $6-$8 dollars a gallon.

McCain will try to keep these prices lower and maybe get a few Nuke plants up and running.

I predict by Nov. 4, election day,
gas will be 2 dollars a gallon,

McCain will win.

2 dollar gas in the US is like 65 cents in Canada. We haven't seen that in years.

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:58pm
351 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:10:59pm

re: #329 lawhawk

That's about the size of it. Biden hasn't done a press conference in over a month but all we hear from "the press" is silence on that issue. Palin has become far more accessible.

Also read that Palin might have attracted a crowd of around 20,000 in Grand Junction. So much for the false reports from CNN.

352 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:09pm

re: #337 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Taste of good news? Missouri Gov. hints that McC is leading internally.

Blunt's polls on HCF

I said this last night...McCain DOES NOT look like someone who is sweating bullets and worried to death about this election. Obama ALWAYS over-polls. There were many, many primaries where he had a big lead and lost and also when exit polling proclaimed him the winner and he lost. All true. We have seen it over and over again. The people of this country are not going to let some left-wingnut, inexperienced, criminally associated, baggage-laden sham of a man get near the White House.

Damn, I love PUMAs.

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:20pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.

Add him. This is a community.

354 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:11:24pm

re: #333 FamHistoryGuy

His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.

She may have come home to die. Hospitals and all..

355 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:05pm

re: #347 arethusa

Yeah. I heard that if he becomes V-P, his son Beau - the Attorney General of DE - will take his seat over.

So he is NOT getting the Bob Dole treatment. Imagine that.

356 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:05pm

re: #330 quickjustice

We've never seen this level of violence before in a presidential election in our living memory. As Peggy Noonan said, the flying monkeys are abroad, ushering in the Obama regime.

But, we have seen this sort of violence in, let's guess, Germany, in the 1930's. Hmmm...

And now, everyone who doesn't agree with the One, is a racist. Hmmm... let's guess what term was used in Germany in the 1930's... dirty Jew maybe.

And where in the past did we find the media so in the tank for a candidate, almost "lock step," let's guess... Germany in the 1930's.

Vu Deja, I don't think I've been here before!

357 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:10pm

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom

Please add my husband too, he has cancer.

358 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:16pm

re: #341 alien_mind

If I were in the McCain camp I would be looking for something big to announce on Thursday, the day Obama is taking off for Hawaii. not a negative attack, some kind of new initiative, or a big positive speech on the economy and/or foreign policy. maybe a big endorsement if he has any left. something that will grab the attention in a positive way while Obama is doing whatever he is doing in Hawaii.

Who's left on the Repub. side that could be a big endorsement?

359 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:31pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.

I couldn't care less if anyone ELSE objected--I hold up all who need prayer. I just wouldn't want to offend someone by appearing presumptuous. I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.

360 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:31pm

re: #296 MandyManners

There are Democrats who believe that Palin helps them. I've met plenty of them here in NYC. Liberal women, in particular, go NUTS at the mention of her name. There's real rage there. This guy may be trying to surf those emotions with his base.

361 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:45pm

re: #213 Charles

Me, in February, preparing to vote for Mitt Romney in the primary:

Charles, I pray you have to eat those words, no offense. I'm sure it will taste sweet compared to what being right entails. :(

362 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:12:47pm

re: #298 ciaospirit

When I left for work today, I saw that my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled. Not surprised but was hoping no one would bother it. Luckily, my next door neighbor's Obama was okay.

My sign went missing Saturday night. The other two McCain signs in the subdivision were untouched. I think my neighbors just don't like me because my yard doesn't look like a putting green.

363 right_on_target  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:06pm

re: #271 The Shadow Do

First question from the press tomorrow:

Senator McCain, given the unfortunate circumstances with Senator Obama's grandmother, are you going to suspend your campaign?

___________________________________
I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.

364 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:32pm

Have faith, McCain will win this election. Most Americans know the difference between Joe the Plumber and Joe the Bummer, truth and propaganda, substance and hype, honest voters and vote cheats, patriots and communists, and so forth...

365 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:48pm

re: #357 twincitiesgirl

Please add my husband too, he has cancer.

{twincitiesgirl}
I am so sorry. I will certainly add him--and you.

366 ClosetConservative  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:13:50pm

Has anybody seen the NYT article in which they accused McCain supporters of being crazy after someone ALLEGEDLY shouted 'kill him'? I thought I saw it on the front page a couple days back, but I can't seem to find it on their website...

367 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:06pm

Killgore Trout (#295),

P.S. Sorry for the gay rape joke earlier but I still think it was damn funny and you have to admit you set yourself up for that one.

Dinging down a post you disagree with: intolerantly mean.

Making gay rape jokes about a poster: A-OK (because you asked for it.)

368 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:31pm

re: #352 Sharmuta

Damn, I love PUMAs.

I'm beginning to. Hill and McC would have been a great campaign. I think they mutually respect one another judging by past meetings and the dinner speech the other night.

How loud would the cheers be if McC pulled off a victory like RCP's got Obama having at the moment?

369 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:32pm

re: #350 taxfreekiller

So, the McCain bunch leaks that it is conserving cash for a huge push the last week , Sat. if memory is correct. Now Obama makes the move to go see grandma and save money and be ready to match McCain's push.

like that

Watching all of the war shows on History International, I am bombarded with Zero commercials. A waste of his money, guys watching those shows aren't gonna vote for a milksop communist.

370 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:34pm

re: #363 right_on_target

___________________________________
I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.

Step-grandmothers maybe?

371 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:14:46pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I don't know how this whole praying thing works so I'm not sure. He's a longtime lizard and I'm not sure if he'll be back. I don't know if he would object to the prayers or if others would object to adding him to the list. I think he should be added, others may feel different.

I vote for adding him too.

372 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:06pm

re: #362 doppelganglander

My sign went missing Saturday night. The other two McCain signs in the subdivision were untouched. I think my neighbors just don't like me because my yard doesn't look like a putting green.

Come on out to the burbs. McCain/Palin signs (outnumbering Obama sings 20-1) are untouched. On my drive into Atlanta I have seen the same ones on th same lawns untouched for over a month now

373 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:19pm

I will vote for McCain but I have to tell you that I am with tfk on the continued viability of the two party system.

Having participated in a few state conventions I cannot express the level of frustration created by the groupthink of both parties.

There are good ideas but you constantly hear of that they are "too simplistic".

Or better yet, there are pointed questions that get nothing but personal attacks and derision in return.

I'm not sure what will happen two years from now but when the full force of the current economic crisis hits home coupled with either stultifying gridlock or a march towards a system of government that has time and time again proven its utter contempt for the individual perhaps it will be time to understand that that a hockey mom, a plumber, or a construction worker is fully capable of leading this country as well as a Rhodes Scholar or a gifted orator is capable of running it into the ground.

374 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:30pm

re: #261 unrealizedviewpoint

Is that something tangible we should be looking into? Or is it just another youtube propaganda video?

375 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:40pm

re: #350 taxfreekiller

So, the McCain bunch leaks that it is conserving cash for a huge push the last week , Sat. if memory is correct. Now Obama makes the move to go see grandma and save money and be ready to match McCain's push.

like that

He's not suspending campaigning. Biden's events will go on, and Michelle will take The One's place on Friday. So the ads will also still go on, I think.

376 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:53pm

I am heading off to fire up the TV and put "Battle of Britain" into the DVD player -- for an evening of drooling over Spits and Hurricanes.

{goddess}

/and no, Sharmuta, I ain't gettin' anywhere NEAR you!

377 DeeAitch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:15:54pm

I wish we had a Fred Thompson/Palin ticket. Supporting a candidate who does not have the love of his own side (who isn't even on the side of his own side) is not pleasant to begin with. To be saddened that the candidate you don't like to begin with is losing, feels ridiculous.

378 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:03pm

re: #366 ClosetConservative


oops i hit upding when i meant reply: yes it was said by a Reporter, SS investigated it wasn't supportable allegation.

379 HelloDare  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:06pm

On 2/27/03, the NYT chastised Bush for focusing on nation-building not WMD in the upcoming war with Iraq. It's in the Spinoff Links upstairs.

PRESIDENT BUSH'S NATION-BUILDING
Published: February 27, 2003


President Bush sketched an expansive vision last night of what he expects to accomplish by a war in Iraq. Instead of focusing on eliminating weapons of mass destruction, or reducing the threat of terror to the United States, Mr. Bush talked about establishing a ''free and peaceful Iraq'' that would serve as a ''dramatic and inspiring example'' to the entire Arab and Muslim world, provide a stabilizing influence in the Middle East and even help end the Arab-Israeli conflict.


The idea of turning Iraq into a model democracy in the Arab world is one some members of the administration have been discussing for a long time. But it is not one that Mr. Bush has devoted much effort to selling to the American people. Most Americans would certainly rally around the idea of a strong, stable and open government in Iraq. But they haven't been prepared for the cost of such an undertaking. For most people, the vision of a new gulf war is one of relatively quick victory, not years of American occupation.


In a speech to the American Enterprise Institute, the president described an undertaking that resembled American efforts in post-World-War-II Japan and Germany. This week Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, said he believed that hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have to remain on Iraqi soil to create a stable environment for democratic change. Mr. Bush, a man who ran for office scoffing at the idea of ''nation-building,'' is now betting his presidency on that idea.

380 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:13pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Add him.

381 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:16pm

re: #345 unrealizedviewpoint

It was a few columns back. "Flying monkeys" is her phrase to describe this dark election cycle. "Ushering in the Obama regime" is mine.

382 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:26pm

re: #357 twincitiesgirl

God Bless you. You will all certainly be in my prayers.

383 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:30pm

Fairness Doctrine,,will it mean Levin, Ingrahn, Hannity, and Rush can do their show and THEN the Lib comes on at the end(paid for by the taxpayer),,, or does it mean such shows will have to have the Lib view liberally salted throughout the show?

384 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:16:43pm

re: #333 FamHistoryGuy

His grandmother got out of the hospital last week and he is only now going to see her? You go when they are in the hospital if you can.

Maybe he is checking himself into rehab for a few days, The Shadow said sarcastically.

385 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:03pm
386 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:17:15pm

re: #383 Gorgon Zola

Fairness Doctrine,,will it mean Levin, Ingrahn, Hannity, and Rush can do their show and THEN the Lib comes on at the end(paid for by the taxpayer),,, or does it mean such shows will have to have the Lib view liberally salted throughout the show?

option #2 ,, equal time for "opposing" views

387 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:33pm

Oh brother. Obama's grandmother gets sick, and right on cue Obama will use this to raise sympathy for his campaign. I'm sure everyone will expect that McCain suspend his campaign, and of course this is not a ploy like it was with McCain suspending his for the financial meltdown. I wonder how many publicity photos there will be. An how often did he visit her before? Lots of trips to Hawaii?

It is interesting to think what the best course of action is for the McCain campaign. Will Obama be removing his TV ads?

My advice is to cancel all negative advertisements, keep the positive ones, and continue to stump.

388 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:42pm

re: #363 right_on_target

___________________________________
I don't mean to be disrespectful but a few years back we had a co-worker who took paid bereavement leave THREE times for his dying grandmothers over the period of two years. In between the leaves we had new management so they didn't catch it. He got caught on his fourth try.

Shameful confession, my grandmother died multiple times while I was in college. Granny was a toughie.

389 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:50pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I left myself open to that shot. I think my point, if not my wording of it, is correct. The more Gays tie themselves to things like the Folsom Street fair, the worse their position becomes vis-a-vis Gay rights. As I said, Andrew Sullivan is the guy who convinced me that Gay Marriage should be opposed.

390 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:18:58pm

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Who's left on the Repub. side that could be a big endorsement?

I am thinking McCain already got a big endorsement ...... Biden .....

391 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom

I couldn't care less if anyone ELSE objected--I hold up all who need prayer. I just wouldn't want to offend someone by appearing presumptuous. I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.

Isn't there also a "thinking of you" list for the non-believing lizards? He might prefer that one.

392 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:10pm

re: #359 goddessoftheclassroom


I'm going to add him, but if you are in touch with him, please ask his opinion so that I can honor it.


Cool, I'll let you know. thanks.

393 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:25pm

his handlers are essentially trying to buy the office of potus for him.
they have enough money to think they can do it.

i would so love to see mccain/palin give them a beat down.

394 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:32pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.


I'm sure if he popped on to reminisce and chat about personal issues he would have plenty of sympathy.
He came on to ask if we would think Obama wouldn't really be so bad, or were we all mindless drones (or something to that effect). So he got down-dinged and generally respectful rebuttals (to what points weren't vague hopenchange generalities.)

395 arethusa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:19:46pm

re: #360 quickjustice

Remember how Democrats used to tell Republicans, "Hate is not a family value"? Every time I read about a Palin hater I want to remind them of that.

396 Bobibutu  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #215 Intrepid

I received a "Breaking News" e-mail about Sen. Obama's grandmother's health and his decision to call off his campaign events on Thursday and Friday to go and be with her.

First, my prayers for Mrs. Madelyn Payne Dunham, for her health and comfort.

Second, if she has been so ill these last number of days, why hasn't her grandson gone out before this?

Third, same premise as second point, why isn't he going out there tomorrow?

Something's not right about this. I have great sympathy for him in his grandma's illness, and compassion for Mrs. Dunham.

But why wait?

My compassion as well.

However I do question the timing as do you.

397 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:05pm

Was Zero carrying a foundation jack when he went off to see Granny?

398 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:14pm

re: #388 The Shadow Do

Shameful confession, my grandmother died multiple times while I was in college. Granny was a toughie.

COLLEGE DEAN "Son, how do you explain that?"
STUDENT,, "Well Dean, she got better!"

399 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:22pm

re: #358 Badge of Kaffir Pride

i couldn't think of any, thats why I said "if any". I'm just saying that whatever they got I would go with it big time that day.

400 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:34pm

re: #389 Iron Fist

Understood.

401 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:20:53pm

re: #391 doppelganglander

Isn't there also a "thinking of you" list for the non-believing lizards? He might prefer that one.

I only keep the Lizard Prayer List.

402 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:04pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Well, I just thought there might be a little more compassion for an old scaly lizard who is dying. That was my point.

I have compassion for those who are dying, absolutely. May God bless them and give them comfort, strength and blessing in their final days. And May He bless their family with peace throughout the whole process.

But that does not negate the main point of his post - that we should accept an Obama presidency, and in a way, embrace it. Even before it's a reality. Even before the final votes are counted.

If I happened to be on my deathbed, I would not ever suggest that my family or friends embrace socialism for the cause of peace.

Sorry - I don't mean to be heartless to the OP there. But I'd expect my family and friends to fight on for what is right, for the continuation of our Republic and for freedom and not to give in to some golden-tongued, corrupt, inexperienced pretty face/empty suit who would bring our country to the point of ruination.

But, that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

403 neocon hippie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:27pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

Great post!

I believe you are correct. The Democrat party, the media and entertainment worlds, and a goodly chunk of the corporate world are one seamless entity. With the academic world closely related.

404 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:38pm

re: #383 Gorgon Zola

"Fairness doctrine" means Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. are GONE. That's because it requires the radio stations to provide FREE broadcast time to opposing viewpoints. The economics of "fairness doctrine" don't work to permit talk radio.

405 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:21:59pm

re: #372 sattv4u2

Come on out to the burbs. McCain/Palin signs (outnumbering Obama sings 20-1) are untouched. On my drive into Atlanta I have seen the same ones on th same lawns untouched for over a month now

Oh, I am in the 'burbs. Like I said, I really don't think my neighbors like me. It's either that or just a couple of teenagers. I actually got a replacement sign but my daughter is giving it to her friend. I'd rather encourage a young conservative than worry about my yard.

406 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:22:21pm

re: #396 Bobibutu

My compassion as well.

However I do question the timing as do you.

Any further word on what the fuss is over at the Chicago Tribune?

407 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:22:28pm

re: #398 sattv4u2

BTW,

TTTTTHHHHHHHPPPPPPPTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

Kiss my grits.

408 thedude  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:22:28pm

see what happens one tries to "reach across the aisle"....

409 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:23:24pm

re: #407 MandyManners

BTW,

TTTTTHHHHHHHPPPPPPPTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTT.

Kiss my grits.

Don't like Grits ,,,,Can I substitute HomeFries instead

410 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:23:29pm

re: #1 Thanos

I do recommend that everyone read this, it's a very good but concise summary of how badly journalism is failing.

The problem is that everyone will not read this because the remainder of the media with the exception of a few voices like Sowell are completely and unabashedly in the tank. I wish it were not so. Journalism did pass away in 2008. And, the death of journalism did not even recieve a funeral. It went unnoticed.

I have faith in only one thing left. That a plurality of the American people will smoke out this skunk. If that happens, the media will be exposed for the frauds that they were. And I BELIEVE McCAIN CAN WIN! But if BHO wins, they will become even more complicit and will simply begin campaigning propoganda 24/7 as news.

We are in a very dangerous time. My desire for McCain/Palin to win is almost more of a vote against the media elites and their agenda.

411 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:23:36pm

re: #401 goddessoftheclassroom

I only keep the Lizard Prayer List.


I think that's fine. I only object to prayers when they are used as an insult. e.g. Killgore - "I'm not religious"
Lizard - "I'll pray for you"

Other than that, the godless should learn to accept prayers with good grace. If they can't, then fuck 'em.

412 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:23:58pm

re: #404 quickjustice

"Fairness doctrine" means Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. are GONE. That's because it requires the radio stations to provide FREE broadcast time to opposing viewpoints. The economics of "fairness doctrine" don't work to permit talk radio.

Broadcasters will switch back to music formats in order to remain profitable.

We will be trading talk radio files like Dead shows.

413 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:24:06pm

re: #399 alien_mind

i couldn't think of any, thats why I said "if any". I'm just saying that whatever they got I would go with it big time that day.

I figured that's what you meant. I was putting it out there for anybody else that might know of one. I mean, Google endorsed Obama today. LOL!

Schwarzkopf? Check. Kissinger, perhaps? Would it have to be someone foreign at this point? PM Harper?

414 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:24:06pm

thanks for elucidating "fairness doctine",,sounds odious,,

415 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:24:56pm

Be sure send Orson Scott Card a kudos email at editor@meridianmagazine.com. (It's almost like giving him an up-ding in LGF-speak.)

416 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:24:58pm

re: #414 Gorgon Zola
speech for me, but not for thee.

same ole liberal mantra

417 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:24:59pm

re: #374 logboy

Is that something tangible we should be looking into? Or is it just another youtube propaganda video?

It arrived in my email this morning. Based upon that video, I believe Obama has not provided a true copy of his birth certificate. The versions posted to KOS and the other to the Obama campaign website differ, one lacks a seal. Why is it Obama will not present a copy to the judge. All Obama need do (to make this all go away) is present a copy to the judge. Why won't he? Maybe it's impossible. It certainly would be perjury and forgery if he presented a false document.
hmmm?

418 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:25:15pm

re: #388 The Shadow Do

Shameful confession, my grandmother died multiple times while I was in college.

At work I used all 4.
and 4 grandfathers.

several uncles and aunts-

/might be the reason AIG went broke.

419 Rakkasah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:25:20pm

I'm emailing this article to every media outlet I can possibly think of. Great article; thanks for posting it!

420 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:25:27pm

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

421 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:04pm

re: #414 Gorgon Zola

thanks for elucidating "fairness doctine",,sounds odious,,

It is. The object is to silence dissent.
Which used to be patriotic - according to old bumper stickers I see on cars with new Obama stickers...
go figure.

422 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:25pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

Fine, You want to accomodate her. Call her shithead.

423 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:48pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

Tell her "In that case, so that you will now be known accurately, we'll call you ASSHOLE""

424 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:54pm

re: #412 Who Watches the Watchmen?

We will be trading talk radio files like Dead shows.

While I don't want to see the Fairness Doctrine reintroduced, I think that what would happen is a lot of talking heads would go totally private, not using the puiblic airways, and use the internet for streaming shows.

As far as I know, The Fairness Doctine (right now) only deals with the regulated public airways.

425 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:54pm

I barely remember seeing the Fairness Doctrine at work when I was a kid. From what I do remember I found it to be rather tedious. Almost like point, counter point (ad nauseum).

426 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:57pm

re: #415 poopeedoo

Be sure send Orson Scott Card a kudos email at editor@meridianmagazine.com. (It's almost like giving him an up-ding in LGF-speak.)

PIMF! Be sure to send

427 Nightlight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:26:58pm

Hmm... why isn't Michelle going to Hawaii?

Gibbs said it was still being decided whether surrogates would fill in for Obama. His wife, Michelle, for instance, was not accompanying him to Hawaii.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

428 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:27:02pm

re: #422 maddogg

GMTA

429 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:27:19pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

It arrived in my email this morning. Based upon that video, I believe Obama has not provided a true copy of his birth certificate. The versions posted to KOS and the other to the Obama campaign website differ, one lacks a seal. Why is it Obama will not present a copy to the judge. All Obama need do (to make this all go away) is present a copy to the judge. Why won't he? Maybe it's impossible. It certainly would be perjury and forgery if he presented a false document.
hmmm?

Charles asked us not to discuss his Birth.

/don't.

430 Fredlike  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:27:22pm

re: #404 quickjustice

"Fairness doctrine" means Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. are GONE. That's because it requires the radio stations to provide FREE broadcast time to opposing viewpoints. The economics of "fairness doctrine" don't work to permit talk radio.

The time would not have to be free, but in most markets the liberals bring in less money so the overall station revenues would decline. The stations carrying Rush would still do it, but a lot of the lesser lights would have an tough time of it. how do you balance the popular Libertarians? with fascists?

431 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:27:35pm

Irene NYC (#420),

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

So did you say: "That's pretty shallow Sarah"?

432 Purple Prose  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:27:45pm

The One is going to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii. I am glad that although He Himself has stated that His grandmother was a something of a racist who would cross the street when she saw black men, He is going to visit her, gain some media points and press her hand and say: "Thanks, Grandma, for helping to raise me to become The One. God will reward you in the next life... Make up please, for me and my grandma, and some arugula. Come on, hurry up, guys, I have a plane to catch."

Sorry for being so cynical, but The One's cynicism toward his own kin, using them the way he has, excuses all cynicism. The One is so narcissistic and self-absorbed that I would not be surprised that his response to his grandmother's death would be Camusesque. Except that instead of existential detachment, Obama's is calculated political detachment.

I am sure He feels badly about his grandmother's ill health, but I think He'd feel worse about losing this election. He will change History. He has a divine mission.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

433 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:28:12pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

I doubt anyone would confuse her with an intelligent, gracious lady like Sarah Palin.

434 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:28:34pm

The dems are "all in" this election ...... they have fractured their party to present Senator Government to the world ....... they have cheated, lied and run over everyone that has gotten in their way....... they have exposed the truth behind the mask even to their most dedicated supporters ........they have ditched the old voters for the new .......if they cannot win this election ....... it will be a long time before they will recover .....This was the chance they were waiting for ...... and if they cannot win now ....... when ..... I hope never .......

435 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:28:36pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

how do people like this even go on? where is her real focus in life?
crazy.

436 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:28:57pm

Michelle Obama will hold events in place of her husband in Akron and Columbus, Ohio, on Friday.[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

437 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:29:10pm

re: #381 quickjustice

It was a few columns back. "Flying monkeys" is her phrase to describe this dark election cycle. "Ushering in the Obama regime" is mine.

You're right. I remember that round table discussion now.

438 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:29:12pm

For those in NYC which is near where I live (N.J.) - I am painfully aware of the imbecilic reactions to Governor Palin. But I know there are many out there who would love to change their name to "Sarah" because they admire her. They just do not live by me...:(

439 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:29:33pm

re: #429 ibmkeyboard

Charles asked us not to discuss his Birth.

Why would the Messiah have a birth certificate, wasn't he born of a...

/nevermind

440 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:29:49pm

I'm going to see my grandma, who I haven't seen in almost 18-19 months," he said on Aug. 7. "And, you know, who's getting to the age where I want to make sure that I'm spending time with her on a consistent basis and so that she could see her great grandchildren

441 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:04pm

re: #259 logboy

To everyone who was offering me thanks and prayers earlier, the real people you should be thanking and praying for are SPC Fortunato and his family. He's the real hero. (In case you missed it.)

God bless SPC Fortunato's family, especially his mother. She seems to be holding up well, as per the video in your link. And God bless his brothers who will be missing him sorely.

I loved his blog entry. If I might post a quote from SPC Stephen Fortunato, as passed on to the Globe by his mother, Betty Fortunato. The entry was dated August 30:

I am doing my part in fighting a very real enemy of the United States, i.e. Taliban, Al Qaida, and various other radical sects of Islam that have declared war on our way of life. Unless you believe the events of 9/11 were the result of a government conspiracy, which by the way would make you a MORON, there is no reasonable argument you can make against there being a true and dangerous threat that needs to be dealt with. i don't care if there are corporations leaching off the war effort to make money, and i don't care if you don't think our freedom within America's borders is actually at stake. i just want to kill those who would harm my family and friends. it is that simple. Even if this is just a war for profit or to assert America's power, so what? Someone has to be on top and I want it to be us. There's nothing wrong with wishing prosperity for your side.

442 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:08pm

re: #425 Gus 802

I barely remember seeing the Fairness Doctrine at work when I was a kid. From what I do remember I found it to be rather tedious. Almost like point, counter point (ad nauseum).

I remember it. It involved really boring public affairs shows at 6 a.m. on Sunday morning. I only heard this stuff because my dad made us get up and go to 7 a.m. Mass. So it was like double torture.

443 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #436 willowone

Michelle Obama will hold events in place of her husband in Akron and Columbus, Ohio, on Friday.[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

/maybe she will apologize for her "Proud to be an American comment?"

444 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:31pm

re: #432 Purple Prose

The One is going to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii. I am glad that although He Himself has stated that His grandmother was a something of a racist who would cross the street when she saw black men, He is going to visit her, gain some media points and press her hand and say: "Thanks, Grandma, for helping to raise me to become The One. God will reward you in the next life... Make up please, for me and my grandma, and some arugula. Come on, hurry up, guys, I have a plane to catch."

Sorry for being so cynical, but The One's cynicism toward his own kin, using them the way he has, excuses all cynicism. The One is so narcissistic and self-absorbed that I would not be surprised that his response to his grandmother's death would be Camusesque. Except that instead of existential detachment, Obama's is calculated political detachment.

I am sure He feels badly about his grandmother's ill health, but I think He'd feel worse about losing this election. He will change History. He has a divine mission.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

how true. you can feel it.

445 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:47pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

Oh Pu-leeze! I'm telling you, a woman of beauty, kindness and grace brings out the worst in people (and some people are worse than others!)

446 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:49pm
447 maddogg  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:30:51pm

re: #440 willowone

I'm going to see my grandma, who I haven't seen in almost 18-19 months," he said on Aug. 7. "And, you know, who's getting to the age where I want to make sure that I'm spending time with her on a consistent basis and so that she could see her great grandchildren

All of my parents and grandparents are gone, make it count.

448 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:01pm

re: #440 willowone

I'm going to see my grandma, who I haven't seen in almost 18-19 months," he said on Aug. 7. "And, you know, who's getting to the age where I want to make sure that I'm spending time with her on a consistent basis and so that she could see her great grandchildren


18 months?

449 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:37pm

am i misremembering pictures of him in swimtrunks this year?

450 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:41pm

re: #418 ibmkeyboard

At work I used all 4.
and 4 grandfathers.

several uncles and aunts-

/might be the reason AIG went broke.

I coulda' been an orphan but never pushed it quite that far... though I did consider it when cutting French class for the 50th time.

451 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:52pm

re: #431 Geepers

Irene NYC (#420),

So did you say: "That's pretty shallow Sarah"?


No, Geepers, I didn't. I was so taken aback because she then started a diatribe against Republicans that I just walked away.

452 jaunte  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:54pm

re: #430 Fredlike

That's an important point. The "Fairness" doctrine sets up a false two-ended axis of ideas.

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:59pm

re: #429 ibmkeyboard

Charles asked us not to discuss his Birth.

/don't.

This ain't the same old tired Troofer cwap. This appears to be a legitimate lawsuit gaining legs.

454 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:31:59pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

The birth certificate rumor about Obama was debunked by Ed Morrissey a couple of months ago. It's a distraction that keeps us from getting out there, and getting out the vote for McCain.

455 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:32:05pm

oh heck i have wrong comment, nevermind

456 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:32:05pm

re: #448 willowone

18 months?

And didn't he go on a vacation last summer to Hawaii?

457 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:32:18pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I think that's fine. I only object to prayers when they are used as an insult. e.g. Killgore - "I'm not religious"
Lizard - "I'll pray for you"

Other than that, the godless should learn to accept prayers with good grace. If they can't, then fuck 'em.


There's an Orson Scott Card book that adresses the latter part called Lovelock. About a monkey on a spaceship, where the prayer chain is used as the gossip list. I doubt that is the case here, of course.

458 chipset  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:32:37pm

Great writeup.. Amazing that the media stick their heads in the sand and have ZERO integrity.

459 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:33:22pm

re: #456 goddessoftheclassroom

And didn't he go on a vacation last summer to Hawaii?

did he see her then?

460 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:33:28pm

re: #435 nyc redneck
I don't know what part of NYC you're in redneck, but downtown I don't think I've met a single McCain support except my southern upstairs neighbor - and he and his wife just moved out for greener pastures.
;)

461 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:33:50pm

re: #457 nikis-knight

There's an Orson Scott Card book that adresses the latter part called Lovelock. About a monkey on a spaceship, where the prayer chain is used as the gossip list. I doubt that is the case here, of course.

I swear to you that's not the case, at least as far as I'm concerned--and I didn't take it that you really thought so.

462 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:34:59pm

re: #459 nyc redneck

did he see her then?

Not if he hasn't seen her for 18 months. Why DIDN'T he visit her then and take her great-grandchildren with him?

463 doppelganglander  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:35:29pm

re: #436 willowone

Michelle Obama will hold events in place of her husband in Akron and Columbus, Ohio, on Friday.[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Oh, I can't wait. It's a new school year at her daughters' expensive private school. I'm sure she has new tales to tell of the cost of piano lessons and the difficulties of getting to the fruit stand. Maybe we'll get to hear about the high price of custom-sewn Halloween costumes.

464 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:35:33pm

I dunno. Obama's grandmother is afraid of black men, according to the Messiah himself. It may not be good for him to visit her. She is racist, after all.

465 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:14pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

People in NYC have gone insane. At the gym today a woman I take a class with told me she doesn't want to be called Sarah anymore (that's her real name) because she doesn't want to be identified in any way with "that woman."
*sigh*

Can you imagine a lib who hates Joe the plumber, likes Joe Biden, and is named Joe? I wonder what someone like that is supposed to do.

466 Geepers  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:17pm

goddessoftheclassroom (#456),

And didn't he go on a vacation last summer to Hawaii?

That quote's from Aug. 7.

467 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:19pm

re: #430 Fredlike

The time would not have to be free, but in most markets the liberals bring in less money so the overall station revenues would decline. The stations carrying Rush would still do it, but a lot of the lesser lights would have an tough time of it. how do you balance the popular Libertarians? with fascists?

This should help you see what will be.
DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT

468 right_on_target  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:27pm

re: #404 quickjustice

"Fairness doctrine" means Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. are GONE. That's because it requires the radio stations to provide FREE broadcast time to opposing viewpoints. The economics of "fairness doctrine" don't work to permit talk radio.


____________________________
Then it would be time to resurrect "pirate" radio.

469 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:35pm

re: #430 Fredlike

Better yet what about being fair to everyone?

"...at 7:00 AM will be the Rush Limbaugh show followed at 8:00 AM with the liberal counterpoint given by Micheal Moore... and finally at 12:00 AM the unusual insights of Charles Manson right after the Art Bell show with his special guest, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich..."

470 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:36:56pm

re: #446 taxfreekiller

If the donks ever attempt to ban conservative talk radio, my guess is 100,000 pirate radio stations.

Not even needed. Anyone no a days can buy server time to set up a streaming audio service. You can have your own radio station with a few dollars, your computer and a microphone from Radio Shack.

The internet is not covered by the Fairness Doctrine, at least not yet. Streaming audio is much cheaper.

It can cost you up to a grand for the equipment to broadcast over the airways at 1 watt, which would only cover 4 or 5 square city blocks.

Radio pirates ususally use shortwave, which propagates better at nightime and can reach further with low wattage. But shortwave drifts and is touchy.

The internet is the way to go.

471 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:37:02pm

re: #446 taxfreekiller

American innovate, we never give up.

As always, ingenuity is the way out of here.

472 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:37:26pm

re: #466 Geepers

goddessoftheclassroom (#456),

That quote's from Aug. 7.

Oh, okay--that makes sense.

473 johngaltlives  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:37:40pm

The timing of this trip is dubiouos. BO is a vary calculating politician. Everything he does has one purpose- and that is getting into the WH. He may know a PR bomb is coming; so he is seeking shelter.

474 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:37:41pm

re: #459 nyc redneck

did he see her then?

only if he went to a Greyhound station and looked under the busses

475 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:34pm

Will Obama be suspending his TV ads?

476 kansas  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:40pm

An honest reporter to turn on the lights? Dark here, isn't it?

477 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:41pm

re: #461 goddessoftheclassroom

I swear to you that's not the case, at least as far as I'm concerned--and I didn't take it that you really thought so.

Oh, you'll never catch one of us repeating gossip...

So you better make sure and listen close the first time!

/Hee-Haw

478 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:45pm

re: #460 Irene NYC

i actually have some elderly people in my bldg. who put mccain signs in their windows. 3rd fl. and higher. so no one can break a window.
the old gal on the 2nd fl. is heart broken she can't have a sign.
her son won't let her.
they are ukrainians. they know socialism.

479 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:49pm

re: #471 Mich-again

Yeah just look at those drug runners using submarines.

OK, maybe a bad example.

480 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:38:54pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

The whole thing stinks -- big time. But it's also true about The One's medical records and his medical history. Ditto for his Columbia school days, ditto for a whole host of other things. Personally, I have no problems whatsoever for people to go and investigate -- do whatever is necessary to have these (probably non incriminating, and innocent) matters Revealed. Why it's kept as some deep, dark secret is beyond me -- unless, of course, it's just The Zero's way of playing with people -- like some petty tyrant thumbing his nose at us "little people."

481 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:39:05pm

re: #476 kansas

An honest reporter to turn on the lights? Dark here, isn't it?

Much heat, no light.

482 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:39:42pm
483 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:39:43pm

On initiation of the Fairness Doctrine, Rush starts up Radio Free America from off-shore on the EIB 50 million watt blowtorch sending a signal to all of the occupied lands.

/we will prevail.

484 nikis-knight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:39:55pm

re: #461 goddessoftheclassroom

I swear to you that's not the case, at least as far as I'm concerned--and I didn't take it that you really thought so.

No no, just reminded of it by the subject of the thread.

485 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:40:02pm

re: #436 willowone

Michelle Obama will hold events in place of her husband in Akron and Columbus, Ohio, on Friday.[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

That could be gaffe-rich!

486 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:40:34pm

re: #462 goddessoftheclassroom

Not if he hasn't seen her for 18 months. Why DIDN'T he visit her then and take her great-grandchildren with him?

i think you're right. no photo ops. of him w/ his" racist white granny."
just shots of him flopping around in the ocean,
yuck.
he is a despicable narcissist.

487 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:40:40pm

re: #332 Fredlike

There is a reason it took McCain this long to get the Republican nomination. He is not a great candidate and I did not support him in the primaries. But lets face it, the others were worse campaigners even if you may have supported their positions. Maybe the conservatives splitting over Huckabee and Romney, with no counter-split by the liberals hurt the conservative side some but even without that it would have been tough for either to get the nomination.

McCain picking Palin is the only thing keeping it close. That brought back some of the social conservatives that would have sat it out otherwise. I think she will get McCain to the finish line even if she has to drag him there.

Indeed.

For the Republican blue-bloods I have a newsflash: you would not even be in this race without Palin!

488 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:41:12pm

re: #485 Florida Lady

That could be gaffe-rich!

How can you top Biden promising a crisis? And being unpopular for two years? That's comedy gold, that is.

489 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:41:34pm

re: #481 OldLineTexan

Much heat, no light.

Much light. Discuss. Including other options, if better (Picatinny compatible, please).

490 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:41:39pm

re: #454 quickjustice

The birth certificate rumor about Obama was debunked by Ed Morrissey a couple of months ago. It's a distraction that keeps us from getting out there, and getting out the vote for McCain.

Maybe. But what if? I asked a friend what would happen if after the election it was discovered That One was not one. We ran through a number of different scenarios.

491 kansas  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:41:47pm

My observation is that conservative talk radio is part of the problem. They have cried wolf so often that when the wolf is at the door, nobody is listening. Hello President Barack Hussein Obama. You are kidding right? No. Sorry. Hussein was at the door.

492 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:41:58pm

Odd how things turned in Manhattan and NYC. Considering it was Republican mayor Rudy Giuliani that was instrumental in its come back from the dour says of the Dinkens administration. Even after Rudy they elected another Republican (temporary at least), Bloomberg.

493 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:09pm

Great article that should be seen by others outside Lizardland. Lets be honest, we are just preaching to here.What I really dont understand is why McCain is not screaming to the rafters on the issue of Fannie,Freddy, the Dems. Most people have no idea what went on and I really think if brought to light (outside of LGF and the like) could swing not only the Presidential election but the Congressional and Senate races as well. Can anyone shed some light on the silence? Is there something I have missed in my investigations?

494 nyc redneck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:09pm

re: #474 sattv4u2

only if he went to a Greyhound station and looked under the busses

LOL, i couldn't help it.
tho, the image is morbid.
poor granny.

495 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:21pm

re: #456 goddessoftheclassroom

the article was written strangely. yes he did in august.
or being tired i didn't grasp the separation from paragraph change.

496 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:23pm

re: #432 Purple Prose

Boy, Reuters is letting their fact checking slide. Their story has Obama grandmother working in a B-1 assembly plant during WWII, instead of B-17 plant. Sloppy.

497 Killer Tomato  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:30pm

re: #483 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

On initiation of the Fairness Doctrine, Rush starts up Radio Free America from off-shore on the EIB 50 million watt blowtorch sending a signal to all of the occupied lands.

/we will prevail.

Remember back when we had Radio Free Europe?
Who the hell knew we'd need Radio Free America?

498 Iron Fist  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:48pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

Preemptive damage control. Is Biden that worried about losing their first mid-term elections?

499 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:42:56pm

re: #478 nyc redneck

i actually have some elderly people in my bldg. who put mccain signs in their windows. 3rd fl. and higher. so no one can break a window. the old gal on the 2nd fl. is heart broken she can't have a sign. her son won't let her. they are ukrainians. they know socialism.

I was standing in line at day surgery a month ago for my hernia surgery and the couple in front of me were from the Ukraine. She came to America in 1992 and he came in 1996.

We talked a while about eastern Europe, Soviet era and after, since I have been there I was interested about their reaction at now being in America.

Most interesting comment they made was they were happy to be in America where they could "work, work, work and then die, die, die."

Simple needs, so nicely stated, but it does sum up what what is most important to a lot of us.

500 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:14pm

Hannity and Colmes on Fox has a "built in" Fairness Doctrine already. All they have to do is add some Dave Brubeck musical breaks between the talking points.

501 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:15pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

Not even needed. Anyone no a days can buy server time to set up a streaming audio service. You can have your own radio station with a few dollars, your computer and a microphone from Radio Shack.

The internet is not covered by the Fairness Doctrine, at least not yet. Streaming audio is much cheaper.

It can cost you up to a grand for the equipment to broadcast over the airways at 1 watt, which would only cover 4 or 5 square city blocks.

Radio pirates ususally use shortwave, which propagates better at nightime and can reach further with low wattage. But shortwave drifts and is touchy.

The internet is the way to go.

This is exactly right. Most of these shows will continue in their current format, with the current advertisers, as streaming shows, internet radio, and/or podcasts.

The original Fairness Doctrine originally died because of ever-expanding technology making it irrelevant. The same thing will happen to the new one.

502 unclassifiable  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:15pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

Darn. That 3AM call will come to O's comm center and he won't even have a chance to look at his waffles much less eat them.

503 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:17pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

Much light. Discuss. Including other options, if better (Picatinny compatible, please).

Cheaper than a reporter, too.

504 johngaltlives  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:33pm

He did go and see his grandmother when he was in Hawaii. I live there and the local press made a big deal over it. They worship at the altar of the ONE.

505 wright1  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:37pm

re: #464 Globular Cluster

I dunno. Obama's grandmother is afraid of black men, according to the Messiah himself. It may not be good for him to visit her. She is racist, after all.

Good one!

506 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:43:56pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

How can you top Biden promising a crisis? And being unpopular for two years? That's comedy gold, that is.

Michelle is a bitter gaffer in her own right. The BO campaign sends her out there at considerable risk!

507 Nightlight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #473 johngaltlives

The timing of this trip is dubiouos. BO is a vary calculating politician. Everything he does has one purpose- and that is getting into the WH. He may know a PR bomb is coming; so he is seeking shelter.

To me something doesn't sound right. The article says she is close to death: "Citing the family's desire for privacy, Gibbs would not discuss the nature of Dunham's illness. It seemed likely that she was close to death, ...

I. If she has been sick and in the hospital, why wait until now?

2. I still don't understand why Michelle wouldn't accompany him. I mean, this grandmother really took the place of his mother who raised him, so it's not some distant relative.

508 tripletdad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:44:45pm

With the race tightening, all zer0bama has up his sleeve is a Colin Powell endorsement and a sick grandma? As people like Card finally figure out how we got here financially, it'll take more than that!

The local AM talk station I listen to on my commute has stupid 0bama commercials every break. I hope (if I can use that word) that everyone else has had enough Obama Overload and gets sick of the guy.

There's one on TV as we speak - ugh.

509 willowone  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:44:53pm

re: #504 johngaltlives
just curious, did the children? or her advanced age and health issues didn't permit it?

510 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #432 Purple Prose

The One is going to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii. I am glad that although He Himself has stated that His grandmother was a something of a racist who would cross the street when she saw black men, He is going to visit her, gain some media points and press her hand and say: "Thanks, Grandma, for helping to raise me to become The One. God will reward you in the next life... Make up please, for me and my grandma, and some arugula. Come on, hurry up, guys, I have a plane to catch."

Sorry for being so cynical,...

Grandma dies, Messiah in the White House, absolutely guaranteed. Candlelight vigils, media paeans to Obama's "gentleness and priorities".
Please grandma, don't die, fer chrissake.

511 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:45:46pm

re: #497 Killer Tomato

Remember back when we had Radio Free Europe?
Who the hell knew we'd need Radio Free America?

Yup... the comparison wasn't a co-win-kee-dence on my part. :-)

512 mikalm  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:45:49pm

re: #338 JHW

Beautiful prose. I can't think of any public figure in my 48-year lifetime who had this sort of way with words. Oratory seems to be a largely lost art in the Era of the Soundbite.

513 OldLineTexan  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:45:57pm

re: #500 Gus 802

Hannity and Colmes on Fox has a "built in" Fairness Doctrine already. All they have to do is add some Dave Brubeck musical breaks between the talking points.

Brubeck? Sweeeet.

514 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

I respect your initiative, but the government can regulate the internet too. Check out Communist China.

515 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #491 kansas

My observation is that conservative talk radio is part of the problem. They have cried wolf so often that when the wolf is at the door, nobody is listening. Hello President Barack Hussein Obama. You are kidding right? No. Sorry. Hussein was at the door.

Nah. Talk radio is enormously powerful. It gives a voice to a lot of people in this country, many here in the hinterlands and what these elitist dipshits refer to as "flyover country", who otherwise feel terribly isolated from the mainstreams of power in the large northeastern and California cities. If they try to shove the Fairness Doctrine through, I think it will actually help conservative talk radio, which will not go down without a hellacious fight.

516 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:46:32pm

From a story about Obama's Grandma. Robert Gibbs, the Obama spokesman tells a big fat lie and no one calls him on it.

The condition of Ms Dunham, who helped to raise her grandson, is not clear although aide Robert Gibbs said her health had deteriorated in recent weeks.

"Senator Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has always been one of the most important people in his life," Mr Gibbs said in a statement.

"Along with his mother and his grandfather, she raised him in Hawaii from the time he was born until the moment he left for college."

Even CNN knows Obama lived in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971. How the heck does Obama's spokesman get away with such an idiotic statement? Jeesh.

517 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:01pm

re: #357 twincitiesgirl

Please add my husband too, he has cancer.

Blessings to you and your husband, twincitiesgirl. And prayers for the both of you!

518 Irene NYC  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:01pm

re: #492 Gus 802

Odd how things turned in Manhattan and NYC. Considering it was Republican mayor Rudy Giuliani that was instrumental in its come back from the dour says of the Dinkens administration. Even after Rudy they elected another Republican (temporary at least), Bloomberg.

Well, goodness Gus! You don't think that libs really want to live with the outcomes of their policies, do you? I mean, when things got too dirty, too dangerous and too mean they called in Rudy.

But they never put 2 and 2 together, really, in their heads.

la la la la la la la la...I can't HEAR you...la la la la la la

519 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:15pm

re: #507 Nightlight

The whole thing sounds weird...but then, what isn't weird when it comes to The Zero?

520 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:26pm

re: #475 Globular Cluster

Will Obama be suspending his TV ads?

No, but we should be ready to scale back our attacks on him while he is at his grandmother's side. We need to be tough, but we also need to make sure we don't look like jerks.

521 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:33pm
522 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:45pm

has anyone else noticed that whenever Obama has a public appearance now, he has to make this long walk up to the podium from the left or right...during this long walk he is strutting along, waving, almost like he is walking the catwalk of a fashion show. sometimes he slings his coat over his shoulder and the whole time the camera pans along for this shot.
to me he looks so vain during these grand entrances. is he running for president or GQ coverboy.

sickening.

523 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:47:53pm

re: #482 taxfreekiller

Yup. The net is technology, and technology can be regulated.

524 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:48:21pm

Our local conservative talk radio station plays Obama commercials, knowing that their listeners believe not one word of them. The commericals are totally ridiculous!

But hey, I say let them make $ off The One, if he's willing to waste it!

525 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:04pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Boy, Reuters is letting their fact checking slide. Their story has Obama grandmother working in a B-1 assembly plant during WWII, instead of B-17 plant. Sloppy.

They quote The One on that:

Obama often makes references to his grandmother on the campaign trail, mentioning that she worked on a B-1 bomber assembly plant during World War Two.

Oh, I hope that's true. Barry having his grandma working in a B-1 Stealth bomber plant during WWII, presumably while FDR was giving streaming video webcasts... I love it.

526 Nightlight  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:04pm

re: #519 J.S.

The whole thing sounds weird...but then, what isn't weird when it comes to The Zero?

The more I think about this, there are a lot of red flags! Like if she is at death's door, why would he wait until Thursday? Today is Monday? This whole story sounds bizarre.

527 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:21pm

re: #501 gmsc

The original Fairness Doctrine originally died because of ever-expanding technology making it irrelevant.

It was Ronald Reagan, not Al Gore who invented the internet?

528 SusanL  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:23pm

re: #113 Peter Verkooijen

Remarkable column.

Orson Scott Card may still want to consider himself a Democrat, he will quickly find out he's now on the dark side.

I heard a fascinating interview with him on the Rusty Humphries show. Up thread someone talked about his "anti" issues and he is pretty liberal/green on some things, but he hates Hilary Clinton with a passion.

He has no use for Obama and he thinks Harry Reid is an imbecile, but then who doesn't?

Susanl

529 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:30pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Boy, Reuters is letting their fact checking slide. Their story has Obama grandmother working in a B-1 assembly plant during WWII, instead of B-17 plant. Sloppy.

I sense a remake of The Final Countdown...

530 J.S.  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:33pm

re: #514 quickjustice

And, while you're at it -- check out Canada...don't ever upset the HRC bureaucrats...or it's off to the Tribunals with you...

531 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:49:47pm

re: #493 Bos2112

Great article that should be seen by others outside Lizardland. Lets be honest, we are just preaching to THE CHOIR here.What I really dont understand is why McCain is not screaming to the rafters on the issue of Fannie,Freddy, the Dems. Most people have no idea what went on and I really think if brought to light (outside of LGF and the like) could swing not only the Presidential election but the Congressional and Senate races as well. Can anyone shed some light on the silence? Is there something I have missed in my investigations?

--

Sorry all - had to fix my own mistake :)

532 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:50:06pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Looks like they attribute that fact to Obama.

Obama often makes references to his grandmother on the campaign trail, mentioning that she worked on a B-1 bomber assembly plant during World War Two.

Now, the question is, did he say B-1, or is that a typo?

In any case, the last time I heard him mention his grandmother was when he called her a typical white person, but then I haven't been at many [none] of his campaign appearances.

533 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:50:26pm

re: #529 Dar ul Harb

I sense a remake of The Final Countdown...

Worst. Movie. Ending. Ever.

/They should have let the good guys blow away the Imperial Japanese Fleet.

534 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:50:42pm
Our local conservative talk radio station plays Obama commercials, knowing that their listeners believe not one word of them. The commericals are totally ridiculous!

But hey, I say let them make $ off The One, if he's willing to waste it!

For someone so socialistic, he sure engages in plenty of capitalist-style advertising.

535 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:50:52pm

re: #518 Irene NYC

Big time. Cripes, Dinkens was a disaster. Look at how they (Rudy, et al) changed Times Square which ironically has become the broadcast media center for the big three MSM. The retail it now attracts. NBC can thank Rudy for that.

Of course we'll never hear that from them and only get the current "East Village" take on things.

536 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:51:07pm

re: #379 HelloDare

Great find! After all, it was only a couple years later that the NYT would insist Bush's only excuse for invading Iraq was to find WMD. They would claim "building democracy" was just an excuse Bush made up after failing to find WMD.

537 Florida Lady  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #534 RedWhiteAndJew

For someone so socialistic, he sure engages in plenty of capitalist-style advertising.


Yeah, and why isn't he spreading the wealth around?

538 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:52:22pm

re: #525 Occasional Reader

Oh, I hope that's true. Barry having his grandma working in a B-1 Stealth bomber plant during WWII, presumably while FDR was giving streaming video webcasts... I love it.

The B-1 is not a stealth aircraft. The B-2 is. Not trying to rag on you, but details matter.

539 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:52:24pm
540 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:52:37pm

re: #535 Gus 802

Look at how they (Rudy, et al) changed Times Square

To me, an even more concisely perfect example is Bryant Park. It went from being a toilet to a jewel.

541 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

No, but we should be ready to scale back our attacks on him while he is at his grandmother's side. We need to be tough, but we also need to make sure we don't look like jerks.

No grandmother wears army-boot jokes folks.

542 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:53:21pm

re: #538 Dark_Falcon

The B-1 is not a stealth aircraft. The B-2 is. Not trying to rag on you, but details matter.

Geh. Yes of course. B-1 Lancer. Sorry, the Dogfish Head is kicking in.

543 Little Doxie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:53:23pm

re: #524 Florida Lady
Here in Wisconsin the same thing, the kicker is that it is Federal Law that
they have to run them and at the lowest rate.
Our conservative hosts take a lot of heat over it until they explain that the station doesn't have a choice,
the host can refute what the ad says though. They aren't getting rich
running the ads but it sure is annoying.

544 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:53:41pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

B1, B17, BLT... what's the difference, one of those airplane thingies.

545 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:53:49pm

re: #533 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Worst. Movie. Ending. Ever.

/They should have let the good guys blow away the Imperial Japanese Fleet.

If they had, how would the resulting paradox be resolved?

546 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:09pm

re: #522 alien_mind

has anyone else noticed that whenever Obama has a public appearance now, he has to make this long walk up to the podium from the left or right...during this long walk he is strutting along, waving, almost like he is walking the catwalk of a fashion show. sometimes he slings his coat over his shoulder and the whole time the camera pans along for this shot.
to me he looks so vain during these grand entrances. is he running for president or GQ coverboy.

sickening.

I noticed the same thing! He would be our first GQ President. This guy is so narcissistic its not even funny. So much style, Zero substance. This is why virtually everyone I've met under 30 is in love with Chairman Zero--it's as if this is reality TV or something. I just want to shake these mindless bots sometimes and say "This is not goddamn game!"

547 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:26pm

re: #533 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Worst. Movie. Ending. Ever.

OTOH, one of the few times I heard a movie audience spontaneously cheer (when one of the F-14s buzzes the Zero that's about to strafe Charles Durning).

548 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:40pm

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

No, but we should be ready to scale back our attacks on him while he is at his grandmother's side. We need to be tough, but we also need to make sure we don't look like jerks.

Scale back? In what way? Have you seen ads that were in need of scaling back? Does the campaign run away from the fact that Joe has exposed him for the Socialist he is? Does the campaign now decide that he is not a Socialist, that that is somehow unfair? Does the campaign accede to the idea that he is suddenly centrist? The only jerk in this election is The One and we are damn well running out of time to make that known. Is Joe a jerk? Is Sarah a jerk? Is John a jerk? Just what are you suggesting? Call it quits?

/I know, too many questions.

549 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:43pm

re: #544 Kenneth

B1, B17, BLT... what's the difference, one of those airplane thingies.

Just finish your waffle, Barry.

/kidding

550 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:51pm

re: #530 J.S.

I know about Steyn et al. It's a shame. My father fought in the Canadian Army in WWII, then moved to NYC after the war. He was very pro-American. He always said, "Canada and the U.S. always will be friends."

551 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:54:58pm

re: #544 Kenneth

B1, B17, BLT... what's the difference, one of those airplane thingies.

"B-1, B-2... whatever it takes."

-Mr. Mom

552 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:56:14pm

re: #387 Globular Cluster

Keep up the ads - negative or positive - and add a little "prayers and good wishes for Senator Obama's Grandma" statement into the rallies.

That's it.

553 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:56:27pm

re: #532 Noam Sayin'

Obama often makes references to his grandmother on the campaign trail, mentioning that she worked on a B-1 bomber assembly plant during World War Two. Later, she worked as a secretary in a bank and was eventually promoted to vice president. She helped put Obama through private school in Hawaii.

Ha. So whos the dummy? Obama or the reporter or both?

554 formercorpsman  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:56:40pm
Many veterans of Vietnam still serve in the Armed Forces, work in our offices, on our farms, and in our factories. Most have kept their experiences private, but most have been strengthened by their call to duty. A grateful nation opens her heart today in gratitude for their sacrifice, for their courage, and for their noble service. Let us, if we must, debate the lessons learned at some other time. Today, we simply say with pride, "Thank you, dear son. May God cradle you in His loving arms."

Goodnight Dog.

555 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:56:52pm

re: #546 JohnAdams

Milton method hypnosis. Obama's got it down. ;-)

556 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:56:58pm

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

If they had, how would the resulting paradox be resolved?

Stuff for sequels...

The strike goes in... lots of movie mayhem... the good guys come back and land... high fives all around... Ice Man invites Maverick into his cabin as a "wing man".

(oops, wrong movie)

Anyway, c'mon it's Hollywood... they made a movie that claimed the magnetic field of the Earth would collapse if the core stopped rotating, for cry eye.

557 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:57:22pm

re: #548 The Shadow Do

Scale back? In what way? Have you seen ads that were in need of scaling back? Does the campaign run away from the fact that Joe has exposed him for the Socialist he is? Does the campaign now decide that he is not a Socialist, that that is somehow unfair? Does the campaign accede to the idea that he is suddenly centrist? The only jerk in this election is The One and we are damn well running out of time to make that known. Is Joe a jerk? Is Sarah a jerk? Is John a jerk? Just what are you suggesting? Call it quits?

/I know, too many questions.

I am not saying we quit, by no means. I'm saying that we should still run the tax ads, but it might be prudent to back off attacks on his character. I still think such attacks are fair and accurate, but if done at the wrong time they might backfire.

558 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:58:09pm

re: #547 Occasional Reader

OTOH, one of the few times I heard a movie audience spontaneously cheer (when one of the F-14s buzzes the Zero that's about to strafe Charles Durning).

Remember... I said worst ending, not worst movie.

It had the potential for being a lot of fun.

559 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:58:18pm

re: #534 RedWhiteAndJew

For someone so socialistic, he sure engages in plenty of capitalist-style advertising.

The left completely lives by the "whatever means necessary" mantra these days. They can pop out a boo-boo lip and a soup bowl whenever they need one, but behind they scenes they are truly as vicious as any other large, organized socialist group in history. It's because there is no recognized moral center--all is relativism. They killed God long ago and have nothing really holding a center. They only know Power.

560 notutopia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:58:24pm

re: #161 DistantThunder

Good Evening. I picked up a thread/commenter on another site that said Obama has been served with another (other than this Berg fiasco) law suit in Hawaii for the release of his certified Birth Certificate. It also made mention that the Gov. Of Hawaii does not favor him as a candidate. His grandmother apparently has been in the hospital for over a week and has now been medically classed as 'critical' and declining. I will scour through my reading trail and see if I can't find the article again. My system is set to do automatic history erasures as a security feature and it makes it tough to find anything unless I save it.

561 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:58:27pm

Reverend Wright. But McCain won't do it.

562 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:58:54pm
563 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:59:19pm

re: #518 Irene NYC

I am a fellow NYer who worked in Times Square for the last 6 years (thanks to Rudy) and I can tell you most City folks didnt like Rudy at all. The NYPD and FDNY had serious issues with him. I am not one of them though because I remember the city before he took office. As for how NY will vote this year ...dont be suprised if McCain wins/does very well here ....he has a very large but silent support base(I being one of them of course). Many Dems arent voting for "the One". ANd, remember the sity is very very different that the rest of the state. NJ is even in play.

564 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:59:22pm

re: #550 quickjustice

In our recent election (last week) the Liberal party ran campain ads against Harper's conservatives with the slogan "Bush/Harper 08" to try to tie the Conservative leader to the "unpopular" president. Too bad, the Liberals lost badly, while the Conservatives won.

565 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 7:59:50pm

obamas visiting granny in Hawaii while he 'surfs' the powell endorsement wave'

566 sngnsgt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:01:11pm

OT

Even Photobucket is in the tank for "The One". Front page ad links to slide show posted @ Daily KOS:

Photobucket Blog

Daily KOS

567 notutopia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:01:34pm

re: #420 Irene NYC

Sounds like a true identity crisis!

568 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:01:34pm

re: #563 Bos2112

I'm voting McCain in NY, but I don't believe for a moment he'll take the state. When I tell my Democrat friends I'm for McCain, the first response is: "But what about Palin?", implying that she's too horrible to contemplate.

569 Onamesa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:02:38pm

Greg Gutfeld speaks out!

Your text to link...

570 JohnAdams  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:03:02pm

re: #568 quickjustice

I'm voting McCain in NY, but I don't believe for a moment he'll take the state. When I tell my Democrat friends I'm for McCain, the first response is: "But what about Palin?", implying that she's too horrible to contemplate.

Accuse them of being blatant misogynists. That's exactly what they would do to you.

571 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #533 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Worst. Movie. Ending. Ever.

/They should have let the good guys blow away the Imperial Japanese Fleet.

Yeah, well in the remake, the radioman of Enola Gay on its secret mission hears an unfamiliar voice named "Lancer" telling him "we'll take it from here..." followed a few minutes later by a curtain of fire on the horizon.

572 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:04:14pm

re: #568 quickjustice

I'm voting McCain in NY, but I don't believe for a moment he'll take the state. When I tell my Democrat friends I'm for McCain, the first response is: "But what about Palin?", implying that she's too horrible to contemplate.

Answer: "Yeah, I wish she was on top of the ticket, too!"

573 Onamesa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:04:42pm

Sorry, I screwed that link up.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

574 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:04:57pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

I am not saying we quit, by no means. I'm saying that we should still run the tax ads, but it might be prudent to back off attacks on his character. I still think such attacks are fair and accurate, but if done at the wrong time they might backfire.

I agree that he has shown himself to be impervious to the character attacks, but that undercurrent must be kept alive for the few that find it relevant. Revealing him as Senator Spread The Wealth however has traction and should be driven home to election day in every possible way. Gloves off. Palin needs to go on Meet the Press and pound the point home. That would be very controversial and get this thing the attention it requires.

575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:05:37pm

re: #571 Dar ul Harb

Yeah, well in the remake, the radioman of Enola Gay on its secret mission hears an unfamiliar voice named "Lancer" telling him "we'll take it from here..." followed a few minutes later by a curtain of fire on the horizon.

It's gold, Jerry... GOLD!

/gosh that sucks... I could write better material than that... and I'll only charge one million...

576 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:06:13pm

One last thought.

If this guy turns out to be Cognito I'm going to shit myself.

577 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:06:26pm

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

If they had, how would the resulting paradox be resolved?

Skynet sends a bunch of HKs after the Nimitz?

578 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:07:33pm

re: #518 Irene NYC

On target. Rudy slew some vicious leftist dragons here in NYC, which is why he was my first choice in the primary. The left never forgave him for succeeding, however. Middle class Reagan Democrats loved him for giving them back their public spaces. That was Giuliani's greatest gift to New Yorkers. It's safe to go into our streets and parks again.

579 alien_mind  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:08:07pm

re: #575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's gold, Jerry... GOLD!

/gosh that sucks... I could write better material than that... and I'll only charge one million...


its better than my fifteen minute bit on Ovaltine.

580 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:08:19pm

re: #568 quickjustice


Very true, but I find there are many people with very serious concerns.If you explain this whole economic crisis to them and ask them to do some of their own investigation they will come around :). Keep fighting the good fight!

581 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:09:21pm

re: #462 goddessoftheclassroom

Not if he hasn't seen her for 18 months. Why DIDN'T he visit her then and take her great-grandchildren with him?

He hadn't seen her for 18 months BEFORE the August trip.

582 quickjustice  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:10:05pm

Checking out for the night, guys. G-d bless!

583 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #579 alien_mind

Why don't they call it Round-tine? The jar is round...

584 exDemocrat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:26:57pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Key word, "unsuccessfully".... pwned.

585 lostlakehiker  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:35:25pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

Orson Scott Card may be right on on this article, but the man has been known to be all over the spectrum. He is pro-gun control, homophobic, anti-fossil fuel, anti-global warming and highly critical of capitalism.

So, one thing for sure, he's hard to nail down.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Orson Scott Card, like every relentlessly honest, highly intelligent man, will be on the other side of quite a few issues near and dear to both camps. For one thing, both camps are WRONG on quite a few points. For another thing, the honest man will be wrong here and there, on this and that, because it is desperately difficult to be right consistently, and because he still has his mortal limits. He thinks he's right. He's got his reasons. Most of the time, his reasoning gets him to the right conclusion.

Me, I think Card is right about global warming. As to capitalism, it's the worst system ever invented, apart from all others. It's FULL of faults. The fixes advocated by Marx, Pelosi, etc. are just fuller of 'em. The faults of capitalism must be buffered by private virtues, both stern and charitable. If such virtues fall into sufficiently low repair among the public at large, capitalism will crater.

586 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 8:43:57pm

worst case:'fairness doctrine' enacted,,talk radio shut down,,as some suggest next alternative is radio pirate stations,,can't those be jammed(executive fiat)? and when the libs
turn the internet over to the u.n. ? delete streaming talk/..i don't see how a shutdown of conservative voice can be avoided,,

587 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:10:05pm

Amen, Mr. Card!

588 anat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:19:34pm

Please digg it here.

589 AZDave  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:31pm
Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

Well, the house has been dark for a long time; someone stole the light switches!

590 AZDave  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:04:26pm
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

Maybe we should outsource journalists.

591 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:18pm

re: #586 Gorgon Zola

worst case:'fairness doctrine' enacted,,talk radio shut down,,as some suggest next alternative is radio pirate stations,,can't those be jammed(executive fiat)? and when the libs
turn the internet over to the u.n. ? delete streaming talk/..i don't see how a shutdown of conservative voice can be avoided,,

Don't underestimate the inventiveness of geeks and hackers. They would be starting a war with people who not only don't give a crap about them but would beat them for the prestige.

592 conrad  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:23:53pm

re: #272 MandyManners

My paper has it as AP but, the link I posted shows it originated with AP IMPACT. I wonder if the editor screwed it up.

Nope, no screw up. When I did my original follow up to find the source at (ending up being from HufPo), my search parameters were Peter Yotes +UPI. My guess is that the different wire services are using same article from the HuffPo.

However, my disgust still stands. When we were discussing the buying of certain Dems through campaign donations and the inability of Republicans to get through any reform packages, it seemed that the only place this info was to be found was on discussion boards such as LGF. Low and behold, some crafty "reporter" prints a "story" pointing to involvement in any sort of way, factual or not, the story gets splashed across the front page of small town papers throughout the US. Absolutely disgusting!

If we thought the press was bad when the Clintonistas were in office, they are going to be insufferable if "the one" gets elected!

593 alexa kim  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:50:23pm

Is it Too Late to Save the News Paper?
Couldn't leave a comment at Meridian, so I left it at TheRhinoTimes in the still live comment thread for the original article, published 10-09-08:
"This crystallizes the chief complaint I've had about news papers for many years now: I have to finish the reporter's job, by spending extra time trying to figure out what is in fact the truth in the "report" and what is the reporter's/paper's/advertiser's opinion. I have to tolerate being treated like I'm stupid by blaring, misleading headlines that make me think the story says one thing when in fact it says the opposite. I have to pay more to be advertised to more, while receiving less of what I buy the paper for: news.

While I could try to tackle every claim by previous commenters, I think everyone who reads your article should find out for themselves if your entire point should be thrown out over it.

I don't want to lose track of the larger issue at stake, regardless of whether or not you are a hundred percent right about every single assertion.

The fact of the matter is, you’re right.

The value of the First Amendment was, once upon a time, so exquisite, it inspired awe. Now, pornographers use it to wipe their … feet and juveniles, convincingly disguised as adults use it to confuse the grups to commit suicide.

As for me, I'd love to go back to picking up a paper for .25, maybe three sections, news, sports, opinion, period. What a delight it would be again to read a well-crafted, correctly spelled and punctuated, and trustworthy news story. No, what a relief. "

And for the incipient or realized reporter in all of us, an actual Code of Ethics in Journalism can be found here.

594 rboa  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:53:28pm

No doubt about it, that guy can write very well!

595 Ledger1  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:40:08am

re: #57 Charles

Collagen or Botox shots? Brighter teeth? Possibly minor cosmetic surgery?

We will know soon.

Btw, I am not going to get into him trying to locate his birth certificate due to a lawsuit.

596 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:09:14am

re: #259 logboy

My computer does not like this link. Calls it an identified attack site.

597 JAT  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:56am

I sure wish we'd see this more often - honesty was once something people took pride in - today's headlines attest to the fact that MSM are a bunch of lairs.

How can people be so easily fooled with so much proof at hand?

598 Bill Dalasio  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:44:25am

I really don't think the matter is particularly conspiratorial. Let's face matters. The major mass media is centralized in roughly four or five major metro areas. That's it. You might be able to draw up an expanded list to include maybe fifteen to twenty cities. But, that's a stretch. Now, I'm not saying that that's the way things should be, but I'm at a loss to see much national representation in the media from outside those metro areas. Within those cities, you have a press corps that are essentially clones of one another. Sure, some may be Chinese or Indian women, and some may be Latino or Black men, and you may be able to find a couple of White transexuals in the mix. But, they live in the same set of cities (in the same set of neighborhoods), went to the same schools studying the same thing, go to the same bars, have the same friends, are taught the same set of career priorities (business reporters don't get the byline and science reporters aren't going to be made anchor) as one another.
Ever wondered why reporters never get a subject you know quite right? Is it any surprise when all of their training is in being writers? Any particular background or knowledge they have of a subject is purely a case of accident, and as often as not, a reason to be seen as disqualified from covering the topic. If I were asked to draw up a scenario to ensure left-wing groupthink in the press, I could hardly do better than that.

599 hbwriter  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:36am

something else to remember if you have kids this election season:

[Link: www.hbindependent.com...]

600 Ron Shaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:43:56am

Excellent article!

You think that anyone in the MSM will carry it?

Now, que the crickets.

601 Mazer  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:58:46am

As my username might suggest, I am a huge fan of Card and his work (and for the record, he is certainly NOT homophobic, having several gay friends in his circle, he is what I would call Hetero-Centrist) and you could all do worse than go back and read through his archives, particularly his brilliant essays supporting George Bush and the War in Iraq.

OSC is a Democrat but able to see the party for what it is at the moment; a seething cauldron of hate and deception.

He also blurbed my book!

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

602 Ceemack  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:22:24am

re: #108 maddogg

Close, Arkansas.


That was what struck me about London...how much it reminded me of Fayetteville.

603 Ron Shaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:30:41am

What has happened to the necessary 'checks and balances' in this country? I've always believed that a responsible 'free' press in this great nation to be an integral part of this concept. In fact, this component is crucial to our evolution and prosperity as a great freedom loving and promoting country. How are we to peddle or sell 'freedom' throughout the world when it no longer lives and is not baked here? The deterioration or possible loss of a strong responsible free press will be catastrophic for the overwhelming majority of Americans. Surely, the staunch environmentalists on the left cannot condone much less actively help facilitate its extinction? I am certain those of us on the right who also are concerned about our environment know this projected prognosis, if untreated, is dire indeed.

I fear history books of the future will affirm, '2008' as the year 'The Press Lied, America Died!' Che goodbye to the life and land that we love if under the rule of BHO, the MSM and the Dems.

Maybe it was Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson or me who wrote, 'as for our future, given the prospect of either fighting the Crown or the American press, my choice would be musket over quill, quill can kill with lies or truth. I have found it possible to evade shot and at minimum it can be returned.'

604 granite eagle  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:47:12am

re: #22 MandyManners

Pretty obvious how this is going to be spun.

What everyone will fail to realize is the comment........."the Dems already were against the regulatory legislation, so Fannnie and Freddie needed to go after the republicans."

The lobbying firm....just getting paid to do what they get paid to do.

605 granite eagle  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 8:16:20am

re: #338 JHW

Anyone ever feel like we are living an actual life "Matrix" movie?

Are we the third incarnation of Zion or the fourth?

Do people not see the folly of liberalism and wrong headed politics to satisfy ones own desires for power?

Time and time and time again, liberal politics, big government, and socialism are proven to be wrong in providing quality of life for individuals..........yet here we are in 2008 feeling like we are in the fight of our lives to keep this country from going over the edge.

Note to history professors......can you point out some of this stuff once in a while........keep us from recycling the idiotic decisions of the past?


Great final quote from the article.

While the Democratic party is in existence as an organization, we are in danger of a slaveholding peace,

I'm not thinking slave holding in the traditional sense of 140+ years ago.
I'm thinking slave holding in the sense that once the government gains too much control......we all become slaves.......
And no one gets any reparations..../

606 Mostly Annoyed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 8:17:07am

I can't remember where I read it, most likely here or Michelle Malkin's blog some time ago. There was an interview of a "journalist" who said it was his patriotic duty to influence the American public to the best of his ability. Now, everyone is entiled to their freedom of speech, I don't have a problem with that at all, but this is really getting totally out of control when they actually believe it is their patriotic duty to lie to the people of their country to push a political agenda.

Don't the people of the country have the right to make an choice based on the FACTS not lies made up by yellow journalists? If they don't believe in printing the truth than they really don't believe in democracy. Maybe they would be happier working for Castro, they just better make sure they print what Castro wants. He isn't as forgiving as we are.

607 Yashmak  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 8:18:50am

I don't think the Matrix would seem so obviously wrong.

608 wiffersnapper  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 9:04:28am

Bravo, Orson!

609 free  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 9:52:42am

Wow, this is excellent. I have emailed it to everyone in my contacts.

610 Dainn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:05:45pm

He hit all the points most of the readers of this blog already know, and did it well.

After the 8 years of Bush, I really think the media has made the decision to commit a righteous crime: Obama being elected under false pretenses is better than McCain fairly. MSM is completely activist, and only hiding it enough to keep up appearances.

611 Mr. Owl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:50:53pm

He may claim to be a democrat but he seems disillusioned with American politics as a whole.

612 HillJack  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:56pm

His books are fantastic. Start with "Ender's War" and read the whole Ender series. I am sooooo glad that there is at least one honest person amongst the literati.


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