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Open | Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:31:42 pm PDT

Those who restrain desire do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained.

William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

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1 lummox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:32:42pm

Hope this speeds things up.

2 Cast Iron Magnolia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:32:43pm

Good night - I said that already, didn't I?

3 lummox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:33:51pm

Tap, Tap, is this thing on?

4 Cast Iron Magnolia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:34:27pm

re: #3 lummox

Tap, Tap, is this thing on?

I think we're all alone! What would you like to do?

5 nigella  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:35:09pm

In this overnight thread all I can say is keep the faith......

6 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:35:10pm
7 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:35:23pm

I'd have to say Blake was wrong on this. Even very strong desires can be restrained, as witness John McCain not cursing John Kerry out for what he said today.

8 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:35:28pm

Wow, finally took time to resize a picture to use as an avatar! I might get the hang of this in just enough time to have the fairness doctrine shut it all down!

9 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:35:59pm

I agree with Charles. It is a question of how screwed you can get. 2 BS candidates, both too stupid to tell the time of day without their wives. Neither can read stock tables, do basic math, or ever read a book cover to cover.

10 Cast Iron Magnolia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:36:11pm

re: #6 Wyatt Earp

This guy should have restrained his desire!

Oh, for god's sake! He should have been arrested.

11 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:36:36pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I'd have to say Blake was wrong on this. Even very strong desires can be restrained, as witness John McCain not cursing John Kerry out for what he said today.

Afraid I wasn't able to show the same restraint.

12 Cast Iron Magnolia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:37:10pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I'd have to say Blake was wrong on this. Even very strong desires can be restrained, as witness John McCain not cursing John Kerry out for what he said today.

What did Kerry say - I missed that.

13 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:37:20pm

Reposting spinoff link from previous thread. >_> For the newcomers, it's a statement condemning the Sony game recall from downthreads...

14 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:37:26pm

re: #10 Cast Iron Magnolia

Oh, for god's sake! He should have been arrested.

Agreed. What is wrong with people?

15 faraway  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:37:34pm

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.


Obama — escorted by Secret Service and accompanied by a few campaign staff and a pool of reporters and camera crews — arrived at about 4:10 p.m. yesterday and spent an hour with his 85-year-old maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who helped raise him. He was not accompanied by his wife, Michelle, and two daughters.


hmm…

16 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:38:21pm

re: #15 faraway

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.


hmm…

Can you blame him? She's a "typical white person" and a "racist." /sarc

17 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:38:29pm

re: #15 faraway

now that is strange

18 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:38:49pm

It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."

What am I?

19 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:39:19pm

Do you think Barry is going for the old folks nursing home hate my worthless kids who never visit sympathy vote? Or does he think that fake grief insulates him from real criticism?

20 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:40:25pm

re: #18 solomonpanting

Canada, I hope?

21 spirochete  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:40:58pm

re: #18 solomonpanting

It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."

What am I?

My sister.

22 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:41:16pm

re: #15 faraway

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.


hmm…

He is one cold fish.

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:41:22pm

re: #12 Cast Iron Magnolia

What did Kerry say - I missed that.

He said that McCain wears Depends.

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:42:43pm

re: #19 jeremy0114

I think his grandmother is dying.

25 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:43:19pm

Kerry thought that was funny? What a friend he was, eh John? You fucking moron, they hate you! You are a fool.

26 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:43:39pm

Speaking of the marriage of heaven and hell, that is William Blake in a nutshell.
Everything he said was either profoundly brilliant or profoundly stupid.
Never in between.

27 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:44:52pm

One thing Billy Blake certainly can't be accused of is restraining desire, that's for sure.

28 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:45:33pm

re: #26 wolfie

The trick is sussing out which is which -- which first entails the trick of deducing just what he means.

29 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:45:39pm

re: #15 faraway

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.


hmm…

I was just getting ready to post that, after reading some of the comments on the HCForum.

The Honolulu Advertiser had this on their website today - no mention of Obama's grandma being ill or in the hospital, until the later article came out about his upcoming visit.

If she is really ill, I wish her the best. Obama has proven to be such a calculating liar that it's hard to believe anything he says.

30 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:45:49pm

re: #18 solomonpanting

A hippie 12th grader?

31 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:46:31pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

And Joe the Plumber was a GOP plant... Sick grandmother aside, things are pretty bad when you can no longer believe anything these people say... Everything just seems like pragmatic political posturing...

Like the Wellstone Memorial was a simple funeral with no agenda...

32 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:47:27pm

Obama has despised his white blood since he knew of it. In a State that did not care about skin color, his African-American blood became his identity. This man seethes with hatred and disrespect for the people who actually raised him. No book about his mother. Oh no. Only about the loser that illegally married her and other women then died as a drunken fool. A man so stupid that he thought a 100% tax rate made sense.

33 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:47:34pm

Kerry's comments were out of line and childish. One could say that Kerry is wearing diapers afterall.

34 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:47:36pm

re: #28 LynnfromNZ

So true! :)

35 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:47:55pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

didn't kerry ask mccain to runwith him in '04?

36 RTLM  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:48:15pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

I think his grandmother is dying.

Yep.

Gibbs said Obama's wife, Michelle, will not accompany him. He said Obama will travel with a few staff members and a small pool of reporters.

I guess we get Michelle for a few days.

(Muzzle off!)

37 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:49:22pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

I think his grandmother is dying.

Quite possibly, and if so he is obviously scrambling to appear concerned. A little late I would judge, but that's just me.

38 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:49:58pm

re: #34 wolfie

in a College lit class we had to write a paragraph explaining what we thought The Sick Rose meant. i was the only one who said lust.

39 notutopia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:50:23pm

re: #17 pat

Too much idle time on this one's hands!

40 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:50:50pm

re: #36 RTLM

Says alot about Michelle. Sounds like Grammy and her don't get along.

There has to be a story here.

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:51:25pm

re: #36 RTLM

That's ok, Obama doesn't need to show up to finish the election. I'm just disjointed that I can't get below -23 on my comment earlier. It's such a tragedy that republicans have become so weak.

42 Spellcheck  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:06pm

One thing I've noticed him saying more than once about his mother - that while she was dying, she spent her last months on the phone fighting with the insurance company. Why wasn't he taking care of that so she didn't have to worry about it?

43 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:11pm

re: #39 notutopia

I think you are on to something. It is not like they have another grandmother they know. They hate her because of her race is my quess, given the creepy church.

44 RTLM  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:16pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

That's ok, Obama doesn't need to show up to finish the election. I'm just disjointed that I can't get below -23 on my comment earlier. It's such a tragedy that republicans have become so weak.

Which one?

45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:22pm

re: #37 The Shadow Do

She'll die the same horrible death that we all will eventually.

46 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:58pm

re: #9 pat

I agree with Charles. It is a question of how screwed you can get. 2 BS candidates, both too stupid to tell the time of day without their wives. Neither can read stock tables, do basic math, or ever read a book cover to cover.

*yawn*

47 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:52:59pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

That's ok, Obama doesn't need to show up to finish the election. I'm just disjointed that I can't get below -23 on my comment earlier. It's such a tragedy that republicans have become so weak.

Yep. we're so weak and you're so smart. Gimme a break, Barack-breath.

48 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:03pm

only one who has abandoned all concepts can posses a body of infinite extent

-Huang Po

49 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:18pm

re: #40 x-wing

'Cause she ain't black you see?

50 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:29pm

If McCain was classless like my state's junior Senator, he could reply with an impotence joke about Kerry, but he isn't.

51 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:37pm

re: #35 LynnfromNZ

didn't kerry ask mccain to runwith him in '04?

There were suggestions he did but what of it? John Kerry has already betrayed his country, to betray john McCain probably doesn't bother him.

52 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:43pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

But I will go to heaven, and you will ........, lol

53 notutopia  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:45pm

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Look at how he has ignored his kenyan family members. His brother lives in squalor and Mr. Elitist helps keep him there by campaigning for Odinga!
The man is Not a MAN.
He is an isolationist. He has no love of anything or anyone.

54 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:52pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

She'll die the same horrible death that we all will eventually.

true dat!

55 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:53:56pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

That's ok, Obama doesn't need to show up to finish the election. I'm just disjointed that I can't get below -23 on my comment earlier. It's such a tragedy that republicans have become so weak.

How can I help? :)

56 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:07pm

re: #44 RTLM
Here. I'm stuck at -23. I'd really like to see -40 or more by sunrise.

57 Syrah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:17pm

re: #38 LynnfromNZ

The only one?

Where the others just afraid to talk about sex? That poem is pretty clear in what it is alluding to.

58 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:18pm

bet Mccain gets hammered for campaigning while Obama's in hawaii. The MSM will say he should refrain out of "respect."

59 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #32 pat

Yes. But no pity from me for his mother.
She hated her own race and country with a passion.
One of the saddest passages in Dreams is where Obama says that it bothered him a little.....he never quite knew why..... that his mother would never even look at a white man.
I'll pity Obama before I'll pity her.

60 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:25pm

re: #25 pat

Kerry thought that was funny? What a friend he was, eh John? You fucking moron, they hate you! You are a fool.

What is so bad about an honorable man who keeps his honor even when his "so called" friends hate him?

He could join them in their dishonor, but then again, he'd lose his moral high ground.

Should we join the dishonorable in their miserable and filthy tactics? What would distinguish us from them, at that point?

We'd become the very thing we despise.

61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:54:47pm

re: #52 pat

I don't think I'll make the cut but I'll send you an email.

62 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:55:25pm

re: #38 LynnfromNZ

Is THAT what it means?!
Geepers! I like that!

63 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:55:29pm

re: #60 Intrepid

Know your enemy. Evaluate.

64 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:55:33pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

She'll die the same horrible death that we all will eventually.

Indeed, each alone.

What is your point as regards Obama's belated trip?

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:55:48pm

re: #54 non-lib Nina

Some apple eating trollop fucked us all. Bummer.

66 rawmuse  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:55:57pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Well I can't help you there. I blame the Open Primary system, which has been abused this year as in no other, in order to choose one's preferred opponent.
I mean, really, KT, you know about all the mischief that has gone down, on both sides.

67 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:56:14pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I don't think I'll make the cut but I'll send you an email.

Don't worry. I always send your opinion on to Gallup. lol

68 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:56:43pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I don't think I'll make the cut but I'll send you an email.

Aesthists of a feather stick together. How appropriate.

69 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:56:44pm

re: #8 jeremy0114

Wow, finally took time to resize a picture to use as an avatar! I might get the hang of this in just enough time to have the fairness doctrine shut it all down!

LOL I was thinking of getting a different one for a change of pace but I forgot how I did the first one. Not a techie here at all.

70 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:56:59pm

re: #50 Abu Al-Poopypants

If McCain was classless like my state's junior Senator, he could reply with an impotence joke about Kerry, but he isn't.

Love your nic, by the way. Very funny!

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:04pm

re: #64 The Shadow Do

What is your point as regards Obama's belated trip?


No point. He's going to see her and it won't effect the election.

72 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:07pm

re: #49 non-lib Nina

'Cause she ain't black you see?

That's where I was going, but I was hoping I wasn't the only one. Obama wasn't always like this. He said in his book that he use to date white chicks, but then something happened and he started realizing his blackness. I'd really like to know what that was.

73 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:09pm

re: #57 Syrah

I thought it was fiarly obvious too. but yhou need to see things from Blake's idiosyncratic apprehension of Christianity to see that he would consider lustful sexual desire a bad thing. Few in the class did.

74 solomonpanting  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:18pm

It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."

Ecuador rolls out new, socialist constitution

They have to run to keep ahead of Obama and the Dems.

75 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:28pm

re: #48 Gorgon Zola

Huang Po? I thought that was a cotton-pickin' river!

76 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:57:32pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

That's ok, Obama doesn't need to show up to finish the election. I'm just disjointed that I can't get below -23 on my comment earlier. It's such a tragedy that republicans have become so weak.

It's funny that you were post #41 in that thread and in this one.

77 RTLM  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout


The real tragedy is that the republican party nominated a candidate so weak that he couldn't beat a socialist with radical ties and no experience. That elderly and weak candidate then nominated a VP with no experience.
/I wonder why we're losing?

I'd say, given he's up against the messiah, he's doin' swell. Obama oughta be up 16 right now.

Who was your pick/recommendation?

78 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:58:25pm

I wonder if the media would leave Joe the Plumber alone if his grandmother was sick and dying?

79 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:58:26pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

But I like apples, trout?

80 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:59:05pm

re: #78 jeremy0114

Nope.

81 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 9:59:59pm

re: #80 poopeedoo

I know, stupid question....

82 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:00:32pm

re: #77 RTLM

Not that you asked me, but Gus Hall would be a great guess.

83 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:00:36pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Hah! He's gonna drag the old biddy to Ohio and make her vote......over and over and over and over!

84 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:00:39pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - I said pretty much the same thing on the prior thread. It COULD be politics, because neither Michelle or the children went with him or it could be because Michelle and the children don't really have a "relationship" with her.
In any event I'm giving him a pass on this and hope that his grandmother is going to be ok.

85 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:00:55pm

re: #72 x-wing


He is black, at least his skin is!

86 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:00:55pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

No point. He's going to see her and it won't effect the election.

Much to do about nothing. Seems to describe this whole election. Nothing sticks. Crisco on Teflon.

This may be the most cynical election I have witnessed. I don't pretend to understand it.

87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:01:03pm

re: #82 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Not that you asked me, but Gus Hall would be a great guess.

For KT, I should have said...

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:01:10pm

re: #76 Abu Al-Poopypants

It's a magic number

89 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:01:51pm

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?

90 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:02:12pm

re: #73 LynnfromNZ

I understood it to be dead faith, empty religiosity.
But then, I went to an old-style Catholic school!

91 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:02:21pm

re: #86 The Shadow Do

Even if it did matter the MSM would look the other way, they don't wanna know.

92 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:02:51pm

re: #15 faraway

If President Bush, or even the Demonrats were in a situation like this? After throwing his Grandmother off the bus, we can gauge just how little he cares about her. I think his ego needs a home of it's own, it is so humungous.

Anyone would immediately curtail their activities and fly to the side of a possibly moribund family member who had been there for him so often.

Hussein does not have to worry about the cost of a plane ticket..he uses Hussein One.

He is a despicable piece of shit.

He will now use his Grandmother as a plea for votes...out of sympathy.

He should be over the Pacific now, praying that she will recover, damn it.

This only demonstrates what we already know: Hussein cares only for himself, and this will only indicate one thing: how he would treat all of us..each and every one.

He thinks that everything is all about him, and does not give a damn for anyone, but himself. He does not know right from wrong. I honestly think that he is a sociopath.

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:03:13pm

re: #89 cliffster

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?

He is The One! He can make remake what is reasonable just by willing it!

/crazy off

94 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:03:37pm

re: #89 cliffster

Absolutely. Reinforces the notion that Grandma is a prop. Everything is calculated with this guy... everything.

95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:03:50pm

re: #89 cliffster

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?

cliffster, do not introduce logic into the equation! You'll confuse kilgore...

96 RTLM  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:04:15pm

re: #82 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Not that you asked me, but Gus Hall would be a great guess.

Naw! - Kilgore couldn;t pick him - he's dead.

/oh wait...

97 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:04:49pm

Sheesh, the local tv station here in So. Cal just said that McCain and Palin are calling Obama the "s" word ~ socialist.

*spit*

98 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:05:05pm

re: #63 pat

Know your enemy. Evaluate.

That has nothing to do with losing one's honor.

If we are to go all out and be like the Obama camp and their toadies - including DKos, HuffPo and DU - what is to keep us from spouting crap like "hey, good deal that Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor!" or "wow! Obama's grandma is dying! Yea!"? Spit on that, I say.

We are better than that. If any honor is to be kept in the process of electing our president, then John McCain is the only one who will bring it. And Sarah Palin will bring it as well.

But from the left? Obama? Biden? No, no such honor will be found.

99 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:05:21pm

re: #92 NY Nana

There is a hole in his soul, I think.
An emptiness.
He may be "nice," but can he be good?

100 DistantThunder  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:05:42pm
"But think how great a Proportion of Mankind consists of weak and ignorant Men and Women, and of inexperienc'd and inconsiderate Youth of both Sexes, who have need of the Motives of Religion to restrain them from Vice, to support their Virtue, and retain them in the Practice of it till it becomes habitual, which is the great Point for its Security;"- Benjamin Franklin
101 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:05:46pm

He has to jet off to Hawaii (He'd walk, but the plane's faster) so he can wave His Healing Hand.

102 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:04pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

There. Updinged you just so you don't get the satisfaction of hitting -40 by sunrise on my watch!

103 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:05pm

re: #99 wolfie

There is a hole in his soul, I think.
An emptiness.
He may be "nice," but can he be good?

But being nice is good.

104 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:23pm

re: #90 wolfie

We could update it and have it be about Muslims invading Britain -- the Brits use the rose as a symbol, their "dark secret love" of Islam is destroying Britain... blake the prophet.

105 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:30pm

Gus Hall was always running for president. That was before communism became "just another guy living down the street."

106 Macker  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:36pm

re: #97 poopeedoo

Sheesh, the local tv station here in So. Cal just said that McCain and Palin are calling Obama the "s" word ~ socialist.

*spit*

Who's the spit for? It better be for Obama!

107 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:06:48pm

re: #101 Abu Al-Poopypants

He better keep that hand off me, I don't know where it has been.

108 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:07:09pm

re: #102 jeremy0114

Dick.
/

109 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:07:55pm

re: #97 poopeedoo

The "S" word? You mean they actually used that phrase? So now calling someone a socialist is not PC? I can believe it.

/Coming up next. The Socialist Card.

110 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:00pm

re: #15 faraway

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.

hmm…

Yeah, Grandma's supposedly not doin' too good. Maybe it's the tire tread marks from having been thrown under the bus...

C'mon conspiracy types... this is all about dealing with his birth certificate crisis, right?

111 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:19pm

re: #106 Macker

Who's the spit for? It better be for Obama!

The spit is for the newscasters. They're so "in the tank" for That One.

112 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:37pm

Namaste, Y'all
/The hips that haunt my dreams
//zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

113 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:40pm

re: #32 pat

Pat,

He uses his African heritage like a mantra...and an excuse.

/Wouldn't he be better off as the Dictator of Kenya?

114 jeremy0114  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:40pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

You are welcome :)

115 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #97 poopeedoo

Sheesh, the local tv station here in So. Cal just said that McCain and Palin are calling Obama the "s" word ~ socialist.

*spit*

If the Birkenstock fits...

116 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:09:14pm

Amazing, isn't it? Obama's hatchet crew is going after Joe The Plumber. Went after Sarah Palin. Spitting on McCain, who is probably the greatest hero in the American political system today. What a jackass. And so many people are just like, "eh, well, he seems like a good change of pace, I think I'll vote for him". I almost hope Obama wins, just so that those jackasses can get what's coming to them.

Problem is, my kids will get what's coming to those people too.

117 poopeedoo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:09:22pm

re: #109 Gus 802

The "S" word? You mean they actually used that phrase? So now calling someone a socialist is not PC? I can believe it.

/Coming up next. The Socialist Card.

Oh yes, they said, "The S word... socialist."

118 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:09:35pm

re: #104 LynnfromNZ

their "dark secret love" of Islam is destroying Britain

"Dark Secret Love of Islam" - sounds like a name for a porn flick.

119 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:09:48pm

Much speculation has been made here about why the polls are incorrectly favoring Obama including zombie's excellent essay and many other's comments. I would just like to add $.02
The first question pollster's want answered is the party affiliation of the person being interviewed. They discover this either by looking at voter registration or directly asking during the phone call. This roughly breaks down 36% Democrat, 27% Republican, 24% independent, 13% other/undecided.
Next the pollster wants to know who the individual is planning voting for.
Finally, the statisticians weigh the responses based on how many respondents belong too each party. Example.
Out of the 100 Democrats 90 say they are voting for Obama and 10 for McCain so the pollster multiplies 90 by 36% (the percentage of Democrats the believe are in the country) and gets 3240 for Obama. Then they multiply 10 by 36% and get 360 for McCain.
They do the same for the Republicans. Out of 100 Republicans 90 are pro-McCain and 10 are for Obama. 90 times 27% (the estimated number of Republicans) of equals 2430 for McCain. 10 times 27% means 270 for Obama
For this example lets say the independents break evenly so it's 50 out of 100 votes for each. 50 times 24% is 1200 for each. Also assume the undecided remain undecided.
Then the polling company adds all the numbers for each candidate and divides by 100.
So for Obama 3240+270+1200=4710. 4710/100=47.1%.
For McCain 360+2430+1200=3990. 3990/100=39.9%
Voila 7.2% Obama lead. Normally this formula works pretty well, however there are at least three things wrong with it this election cycle. First is operation chaos wildly exaggerates the number of registered Democrats. Second, the PUMAs, they still consider themselves Democrats and they too inflate the (D) numbers and tilt the numbers toward the Democrat candidate, Obama, despite the fact that most of the 5 million of them would crawl over broken glass to vote against him. The final problem is with one of the assumptions I made to simplify the math, namely that undecided/independents would break evenly, so far this year the independents have broken decisively against Obama.

120 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:10:10pm

Dinner time here, see y'all later.

121 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:10:14pm

re: #33 Gus 802
Uh, what did Kerry say?

122 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:10:38pm

re: #104 LynnfromNZ

I smell a PhD dissertation!
Oh wait. Not PC. Forget it.

123 RTLM  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:10:58pm

Obama's rise is all Mike Ditka'a fault anyway

/Had he run for US Senate in 2004, we wouldn't be here -

Right?

124 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:11:21pm

re: #89 cliffster

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?

Hey,
Borat Obama can multi-task.
He can lie and obfuscate at the same, uh, time.
But I bet he doesn't know his Ayers from a hole in the ground.

125 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:11:23pm

re: #117 poopeedoo

Oh yes, they said, "The S word... socialist."

Outstanding!

I was starting to think they were afraid of being sued, or of simply being accused of "smearing". Maybe "Joe the Plumber" made it OK.

126 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:12:34pm

re: #117 poopeedoo

That's too much. I'm just sitting here shaking my head. I knew it would come to that.

While we're on "words" why not bring up those t-shirts that those people wore against Palin. Nah, why bring that up.

Here's something I found in the website of the person that printed and sold those shirts.

The media loves to look the other way.

127 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:12:34pm

re: #89 cliffster

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?

But Michele Obama is back on the Champagne Trail.

128 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:12:42pm

re: #89 cliffster

His grandmother is sick so he's going off the campaign trail? According to what he said about McCain during the bailout talks, he should stay on the trail because, "the president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time." Right?


He is trying to get more vote via the sympathy card

129 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:12:47pm

re: #125 Optimizer

Outstanding!

I was starting to think they were afraid of being sued, or of simply being accused of "smearing". Maybe "Joe the Plumber" made it OK.

Maybe they meant "silly"?

130 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:12:51pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Dick.
/

That's the reply we'd expect from an Obama supporter, loser.

131 non-lib Nina  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:13:53pm

re: #127 Odinga

and caviar.

132 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:13:55pm

re: #130 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That's the reply we'd expect from an Obama supporter, loser.

Regardless of the disingenuous sarc tag, moron.

133 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #121 realwest

Uh, what did Kerry say?

Read here.

134 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:14:40pm

re: #132 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Regardless of the disingenuous sarc tag, moron.

Will you stop using the M-word?

135 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:14:44pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout
Well I did all I could do to help you out Killgore!
Sorta strange record for you to be trying for though.
I'm telling ya, there's something in the water or in the air out on the left coast that's fucked up your mind - as say this as a friend, you understand?!

136 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:15:01pm

I heard a report that 45% of Ohio vote would come in before election day.

Good God, I hope there are a lot of Republican voters willing to stand in line on election night.

137 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:15:16pm

re: #115 Abu Al-Poopypants

If the Birkenstock fits...

stick it up their ass. Not yours, theirs!

138 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:15:40pm

re: #117 poopeedoo

Oh yes, they said, "The S word... socialist."

I need a quote. Anybody got a quote?

139 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:16:56pm

re: #92 NY Nana

"I think his ego needs a home of it's own, it is so humungous."

LOL you never cease to make me laugh. Seriously, though, I really do hope he is praying for her. I am.

I seriously wonder why the children are not going. If I were on my death bed, and hopefully it's not, there would be nothing that could make me happier than to see my little great-granchildren, even if it was just for a few minutes.

140 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:01pm

re: #3 lummox

Tap, Tap, is this thing on?

Blow into it and see.

141 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:14pm

re: #138 Optimizer

I need a quote. Anybody got a quote?

Here are a bunch of references.

142 lummox  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:15pm

" " " " " Here's a few I can lend ya.

143 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:21pm

re: #138 Optimizer

I need a quote. Anybody got a quote?

"One of my movies was called "True Lies." It's what the Democrats should have called their convention. "

- Arnold Schwarzenegger

144 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:23pm

re: #119 Neo Con since 9-11

Great post. Don't believe the polls.

145 nightwatch  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:17:52pm

My friends,

Want as I have been over the past few weeks to throw the verbal gernades and loft gallons of lit statement petrol over the walls of closed in ideologs who pose as open minded debate "moderaters"

I .....DAMN!4 e glass of merlot4 spilt4 k eb oar d..?+-0+_=_-!.. .. . . .. .... .

.GA nite Liz@$BYU&++

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146 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:18:20pm

Well there seems to be no restraint in the desire of the Obamamessiah to heal the earth,lower the seas,occupy the White House,save the planet,sue his critics into silence,lie about his associations with ACORN and Bill Ayers,and let his brother live in poverty in a Kenyan hut while he claims to believe in spreading the wealth (of other people) around. The list could go on but someone is knocking on my door claiming they are from some organization called the Chicago Thug Thought Police. You guys ever hear of them?

I see where a few members of the Press are accompanying Obama to visit his Grandmother. Nice photo-ops of Obama's "Christian Side" coming soon? Headlines: "How Can America NOT Vote For Such A Compassionate Man"? Anyone want to bet on a photo of Obama with a tear in his eye? I say it is a given.

147 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:19:15pm

re: #134 Edgar

Will you stop using the M-word?

Can I wait until 11-5-08? Please?

148 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:19:26pm

re: #75 wolfie

correct Wolfie!

[Link: www.fotosearch.com...]
149 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:20:16pm

re: #99 wolfie

There is a hole in his soul, I think.
An emptiness.
He may be "nice," but can he be good?

So help me, I do not think that he has a soul. Has anyone else noticed that he is doing a Shrillary, re his 'accent'? He seems to be trying hard to speak like a black man, where he used to sound like a Caucasian. And he certainly does not sound like a Hawaiian.

He is as nice as the Plague...he cannot be good. It is not in him.

I am more upset about this election than any in my lifetime, and FDR was President when I was born....not George Washington, like some think....seriously, I have lost sleep over this, and post less often.

2 weeks from today...oy.

And all the questionable, at best, early votes? I fear that the election is already stolen, and there is no way that any Demonrat in Congress will let an emergency bill pass to try and do something.

Does anyone know if the Supreme Court could take this up?

I will never look at another ACORN again.

150 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:20:44pm

Might mean that in the future people will be charged with "cultural incitement" for using the "s word" and thus being subject to hate speech charges and a trial before a "Human Rights Tribunal."

/Future liberal world shock.

151 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:21:24pm

re: #15 faraway

[I just posted this on a dead thread]

I don’t believe Barry is close at all to his grandma.

During his weeklong vacation to Hawaii, he spent ONE HOUR with her.


hmm…


I am beginning to believe there is a riff between grandma and Michelle.....notice Obama visted 1 hr and wife and girls not with him and it has been announced that they will not be going on this visit.....what do you think......Michelle.....doesn't like grandma

152 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:21:41pm

re: #149 NY Nana

Don't forget about his suddenly gray hair!

153 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:21:47pm

re: #145 nightwatch

You crazy.

154 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:21:50pm

Socialist Sensitvity Training 101

/Help! The liberals are coming!

155 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:22:22pm

Hey I just realized that Obama will not be able to vote for himself. He is not an American citizen.

156 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:22:31pm

Well, I never watch CNN ..... but flipping through the channels before turning in ..... I hit on Anderson Cooper ....... Gloria Borger has just put it out there ....... John McCain must tone down his campaign while Senator Government is visiting his grandmother .........this will be the talking point that will go forward for the next three days ....... F*ck these people ......... this is war ........ they mow down whoever they feel necessary ........John McCain do not let up on these people ......

Good Night Lizards ...... I pray for the future of our country .......don't give up ....

157 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:22:31pm

hello Lizards.

158 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:22:46pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Read here.

All class, that one.

/

159 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:22:59pm

re: #145 nightwatch
LOL I'm still doing okay with my martooni's, of course I'm not saying anything intellectual.

160 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:23:11pm

re: #133 Gus 802
Oh hell, that's just Kerry being Kerry. BTW, did you know he served in the Vietnam War? In combat? And got lots of medals - including a silver star?

Former LGFer USMC 1968 got the Silver Star, too - but he EARNED HIS.
RIP, USMC 1968

161 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:23:30pm

re: #149 NY Nana

My wife wants me to quit watching the goings-on. She says it's killing me. Well, that may be, but it's pretty high stakes we're talking about. We have kids that will have to try and make their way. And we'll want to retire and take it easy someday.

162 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:24:20pm

re: #149 NY Nana

This is the roughest election I've seen. That's for sure.
Crazy. Scary. And, above all, frustrating.

163 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:24:55pm

re: #157 Oldasdirt

hello Lizards.

That's what I love about this site. One lizards checks out, another checks in.

Evenin Old as Dirt

164 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:25:06pm

Kerry is on Midol.

165 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:25:43pm

re: #162 wolfie

Yeah,and that's just over the Republicans!

166 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:26:14pm

Take heart lizards,,the closer we get to election,the more the people see the fa sad of obama,,they will elect McCain
Our country will be safe.

167 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:27:44pm

re: #160 realwest

I find Kerry repugnant. After what he did during his "Winter Soldier" stint and saying the things I won't repeat here.

168 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:28:02pm

We all have grandmothers and they all die eventually. What the hell is the big deal? Was she "The One" before "The One"? I'm not trying to sound like an insensitive prick, I just don't know what the big deal is about.

169 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:28:05pm

re: #155 Odinga

Hey I just realized that Obama will not be able to vote for himself. He is not an American citizen.

Rim shot!

170 LaMano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:28:17pm

I never knew that BO's grandma survived being thrown under the bus. Must be a tough lady.

171 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:28:21pm

re: #166 Oldasdirt

Take heart lizards,,the closer we get to election,the more the people see the fa sad of obama,,they will elect McCain
Our country will be safe.

I love you. {Oldasdirt} For the love of all that's good, let you be right.

172 wolfie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:28:49pm

Yikes! I HAVE to get some sleep!

Goodnight, lizards!
And keep fighting the good fight!

173 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:29:26pm

re: #160 realwest

Oh hell, that's just Kerry being Kerry. BTW, did you know he served in the Vietnam War? In combat? And got lots of medals - including a silver star?

Former LGFer USMC 1968 got the Silver Star, too - but he EARNED HIS.
RIP, USMC 1968

I saw that USMC 1968 had passed on.

My condolensces to all that knew and loved him.

RIP USMC 1968

174 LaMano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:29:29pm

re: #164 Odinga

Kerry is relief for menstrual cramps? Who knew?

175 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:30:11pm

re: #166 Oldasdirt

Take heart lizards,,the closer we get to election,the more the people see the fa sad of obama,,they will elect McCain
Our country will be safe.

Thanks, you give me hope. I'm here in Calif., in a completely democratic area. I have only seen one McCain yard sign around here.

176 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:30:30pm

Nice, refreshing look at the MO polls

Good report from Colorado!

Both are Hillary Clinton Forum links. Read the links, and also check out the rest of the site. And if you have the time, check out the sites at the top of the page.

The PUMAs are not a small group - they're a vast and enraged one.

177 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:30:35pm

re: #166 Oldasdirt

So true. In October of 2000,one poll had Gore over Bush 51% to 40%. Remember to old photo of the frog about to be swallowed by the pelican with the caption "NEVER give up"?

178 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:30:54pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Here are a bunch of references.

Thanks!

Looks like they didn't call The One a socialist, specifically, only said that his policies are pretty similar to socialism. Well, that's probably the best way to go, at this point.

179 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:31:05pm

re: #167 Gus 802

I find Kerry repugnant. After what he did during his "Winter Soldier" stint and saying the things I won't repeat here.

Kerry isn't even worthy of scratching McCains ass.

180 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:31:23pm

re: #171 cliffster

I love you. {Oldasdirt} For the love of all that's good, let you be right.

I really believe this,,we still have a great bunch of people in this country,and my faith in them is great,

181 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:32:00pm

McCain will win.
Too much is coming out about obama now.
He will drip, drip, drip slowly lose in the polls.

I am positive that McCain will iwn.

182 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:32:23pm

re: #161 cliffster

So does my husband want me to stop, but I will not. This is far too important...and my idiot kids and their spouses seem to be voting for Hussein, damn it.

Little do they know that their false idol will make their lives miserable, if, G-d forbid, he wins. And my 3 little grandkids will also suffer the aftermath of his dictatorship.

We are both 70, and I have to admit that at their age we were both Demonrats...Carter did it for us, and we have not looked back. I do not want an Hussein regime to wake them up, as by then it will be too damned late.

This is like some horror movie or a nightmare, but it just keeps going.

I have to believe that a tremendous 'October Surprise' will still occur that will end this nightmare. I just have to..anything else is unthinkable.

183 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:32:52pm

re: #168 logboy

We all have grandmothers and they all die eventually. What the hell is the big deal? Was she "The One" before "The One"? I'm not trying to sound like an insensitive prick, I just don't know what the big deal is about.

Well, this woman raised him...so I guess she functioned more or less like a mother to him, probably even closer than most grandmothers.

It is a little bit odd that he only spent an hour with her when he was vacationing in Hawaii, though...and I know the topic of his birth records is taboo here, so I won't get into that. It just seems weird, with three lawsuits in the works.

Not to be too cynical, though - I'm sure Obama's grandmother is a lovely woman, and I'm sorry to hear that she has fallen ill. I will keep her in my prayers.

184 The Shadow Do  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:32:59pm

re: #179 x-wing

Kerry isn't even worthy of scratching McCains ass.

Kerry should be ashamed to show his face in public....but he is not.

185 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:33:01pm

And you know what?
Like him or not you gotta give props to Sean Hannity for continually beating the drum on obama even though people were getting sick of it.

186 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:33:40pm

re: #149 NY Nana

I fear that the election is already stolen...

And we suffer through 4 miserable years of increasing socialist-taxing-Obama crap until the American people say enough, and vote SO OVERWHELMINGLY for (ANYBODY ELSE!) that he can't cheat his way out of it, and THEN...

THEN, Nana, we learn that No, there WASN'T any American birth certificate BECAUSE he was born in Kenya, as asserted, but what the hell, we GOT YOU BAD anyhow, didn't we? Hahaha, America, that's a good on on YOU, see how fallible and stupid you are? Now try and UN-DO what I, Obama, have saddled you with! Hah! FAT CHANCE!

187 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:33:46pm

Hey. I never trust polls. "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."

188 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:34:31pm

re: #162 wolfie

This is the roughest election I've seen. That's for sure.
Crazy. Scary. And, above all, frustrating.

Ditto....my nic is blue.

189 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:35:04pm

re: #168 logboy
Hey logboy - and I'm seriously saying this with respect to you, yes EVERYONE DIES. But some of us were close to our grandmothers - I was to mine - and we greived over her and if I coulda been there with her in her final hours, I would have.
I'm suggesting that if Obama's grandmother is seriously ill, we should just wish her well and NOT jump to the conclussion that this is a political stunt of some sort.

190 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:35:33pm

re: #180 Oldasdirt

I really believe this,,we still have a great bunch of people in this country,and my faith in them is great,

I believe it too. I think the polls reflect people whose position is, "oh, what? President? Oh yeah, well that Obama, he seems like a fresh start. Gotta go..."

People who really think through it realize what's going on. Plus, McCain has broken back through in Florida and Ohio, and has made up ground in other battleground states. Give us Florida and Ohio, we'll make it happen in the somewhere else.

191 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:35:34pm

re: #182 NY Nana

Part of the trouble now is that many of the Cult of Obama followers are too young to remember Carter. Those of us who raised a family in the midst of the Days of Malaise remember what the Carter policies brought on our nation. There is no need for Obama to repeat the past mistakes of Carter for me to know how this will turn out. I know already.

192 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:35:37pm

NY Nana----
seems like Demonrat-itude is a phenomenon of young people, and also, some people who don't realize that the democrat party platform does not line up with their beliefs. As in the case of my granma's 83 yr old friend. Just votes Democrat, out of habit.

193 LaMano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #184 The Shadow Do

I still love the Kerry joke, "Hey, John, why the long face?"

194 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:36:12pm

Via Yahoo News/ McClatchy Newspapers... a completely, utterly unbiased news report about the campaign:

Hate-filled attacks on Obama have many roots

WASHINGTON — An ugly line has been crossed in this presidential campaign, one in which some people don't mind calling Barack Obama a dangerous Muslim, a terrorist and worse.

"To me, this all feels much worse than we've seen in some time," said Kathryn Kolbert , the president of People for the American Way , which monitors political speech.

Experts agree on the reasons: Obama, the Democratic nominee, is different from any other major presidential candidate in history in many ways, and people often don't accept such change gracefully.

That different background fuels many fears, said Penni Pier , who's an expert on political rhetoric. People are still scared that terrorists are ready to strike and wonder about Obama's background, she said, while the Internet and other outlets are endless sources of misinformation.

Some think that Republican strategists are, as Kolbert put it, "orchestrating" the vitriol.

It's this sort of neutral, unbiased journalism that does the entire profession proud.

195 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:36:16pm

re: #176 Intrepid

Today they are showing Mac is down 6 points in Pa. The gap is closing.

I looked at the track and something happened in the middle of Sept. to give Obama the edge. I'm trying to figure out if it was the stock market or the ACORN registrations.

196 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:36:43pm

re: #182 NY Nana

So does my husband want me to stop, but I will not. This is far too important...and my idiot kids and their spouses seem to be voting for Hussein, damn it.

Little do they know that their false idol will make their lives miserable, if, G-d forbid, he wins. And my 3 little grandkids will also suffer the aftermath of his dictatorship.

We are both 70, and I have to admit that at their age we were both Demonrats...Carter did it for us, and we have not looked back. I do not want an Hussein regime to wake them up, as by then it will be too damned late.

This is like some horror movie or a nightmare, but it just keeps going.

I have to believe that a tremendous 'October Surprise' will still occur that will end this nightmare. I just have to..anything else is unthinkable.

How about a November 5th surprise?

197 LaMano  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:37:04pm

Carter is a despicable piece of human debris. If he had ANY brains, he'd be in hiding. Hari kari is the best chance for any honor.

198 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:37:14pm

re: #185 Typicalwhitey

And you know what?
Like him or not you gotta give props to Sean Hannity for continually beating the drum on obama even though people were getting sick of it.


Yes, Hannity is tenacious, but irreplaceable.

199 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:37:50pm

Sean Hannity is a good 'un.

200 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:37:57pm

re: #181 Typicalwhitey

McCain will win.
Too much is coming out about obama now.
He will drip, drip, drip slowly lose in the polls.

I am positive that McCain will iwn.

Oh, TW - I've missed you lately!

201 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:38:09pm

re: #190 cliffster

The closer we get,,The better McCain looks,,my fellow Americans will not accept socialism at any cost.

202 Neo Con since 9-11  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:38:37pm

re: #189 realwest

Agreed if we're seen hovering over grandma Obama's deathbed like a bunch of ghouls looking for dirt to use on Barack it only hurts our cause. Not to mention it lessens us as humans

203 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:40:05pm

re: #184 The Shadow Do

Kerry should be ashamed to show his face in public....but he is not.

How old is Kerry? For a guy to be picking on Mac for his age, J.F'n. K. isn't a spring chicken himself.

204 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:40:12pm

re: #182 NY Nana

I think the "October surprise" is already here but is being ignored by MSM. Why is not a single media outlet other than FOX doing their homework on the Dems involvement with Fannie and Freddy? Seriously ,they were DIRECTLY responsible for the greatest global economic collapse of all time.

205 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:41:36pm

i'm in a solid McCain town in the outback of the northwest where a singular individual has planted his 'veterans for obama' sign on a deep dark back road(on his property adjacent to a gunhuggin' driveby),,it's been there a week..nobody has touched it,,that's us,,the free speech believers,ah'm
proud of my Buds!

206 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:42:04pm

re: #60 Intrepid

What is so bad about an honorable man who keeps his honor even when his "so called" friends hate him?

He could join them in their dishonor, but then again, he'd lose his moral high ground.

Should we join the dishonorable in their miserable and filthy tactics? What would distinguish us from them, at that point?

We'd become the very thing we despise.

well, being honorable got Bush exactly where ?

he is the first "Pussident of the United States"
everyone either hates or has no respect for him (because he is a pussy to the democrats and the media)

207 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

It's almost as thought they are trying to medicalize an interpretation of those that don't accept Barack Obama as a candidate. They use the phrase "ugly line" as though they are trying to characterize this "analysis" as a malignancy of social behavior.

I can tell them that I picked the old brown shoe from the lineup years ago. I'd vote for McCain even if he was a green Castellian.

208 hermit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:43:48pm

Anybody else want to join in a chorus of "We'll Follow the Old Man..." from White Christmas? I haven't been able to get the song out of my head for more than a week. (I love Irving, but not that much!)

209 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:43:48pm

re: #204 Bos2112

I think the "October surprise" is already here but is being ignored by MSM. Why is not a single media outlet other than FOX doing their homework on the Dems involvement with Fannie and Freddy? Seriously ,they were DIRECTLY responsible for the greatest global economic collapse of all time.

Thats the ticket,,Barney Frank is up to his ears in this FM/FM BS,,and they cant stop the truth from being told about how many Dems voted to stop regulation of this mess.
You will see.The Dems will lose all power this election.

210 Syrah  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:44:23pm

We all need to keep our cool.

We will be of little use to anyone if we let things as they seem reduce us to rage and anxiety.

Trust in God.

Get Out The Vote, but also trust in God.

Do not be afraid.

211 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:44:25pm

I was going purely by what "looks" and "sounds" on this theory.

In order of what "looks" and "sounds" the most "correct" --

President McCain
Vice President Biden
Vice President Palin
President Obama

No real rhyme or reason, just what sounds correct.

212 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:44:38pm

re: #186 Karridine

Karridine,

You saved me a lot of typing...I agree with you.

It must be hard to watch this from Thailand...you have no idea what this is doing to anyone who gives a damn, but for you? Ouch.. It is as if they sprayed a secret substance or a miasma over us all...how anyone in their right mind could even consider him? I cannot understand. What is the feeling that you get from friends and neighbors?

The only time that I am away from the news is when I sleep, and that lately has not been easy to do.

213 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:44:40pm

re: #189 realwest


I agree with you completely, hence the reason I was asking "what's the big deal?"

214 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:44:54pm

re: #201 Oldasdirt

I wish I could agree. Years ago I would have. Not today and I'll tell you why. We have at least one generation of people who have been brought up with a entitlement mentality. They believe the world owes them whatever it is they want. It used to be that there were far fewer of "them" than there were of "us". But their numbers are growing while ours are decreasing. It may,or may not happen this year. But Socialism is coming one day to America. It's just a matter of time. The entitlement mentality will foist it upon us.

215 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:45:50pm

re: #204 Bos2112

That DIRECT CAUSAL INVOLVEMENT with the biggest economic problem of today is the subject of the previous thread (Harvey Kurtz) AND the answer to your question, Bos...

The Dems are seriously to blame, but to acknowledge this NOW is to queer the deal for Obamassa!

216 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:45:53pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

My favorite is when the Media and Dem. stratagists, but I repeat myself, call That One... Exotic.

Good God, he's a bi-racial dude, that's it.

217 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:46:07pm

re: #201 Oldasdirt

The closer we get,,The better McCain looks,,my fellow Americans will not accept socialism at any cost.

hopefully they are rejecting racism also

not only did Obama attend a racist church
but the entire democrat party and the elite media engage in it every day
and it is time to stop the nonsense and get along

no society will progress without cooperation
and we surely are not cooperating with one another lately

the cooperative nature of American's brought us the great industrial might that made us a superpower
now, we are a bunch of weak pussies one on side and lying sissies on the other

218 hermit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:46:26pm

...so long as he wants to go, opposite to the foe...

219 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:47:43pm

re: #206 Adrenalyn

well, being honorable got Bush exactly where ?

he is the first "Pussident of the United States"
everyone either hates or has no respect for him (because he is a pussy to the democrats and the media)

Their hatred of Bush (and some of our own) does not negate the responsibility of us to be honorable.

We are the last bastions of honor in the United States. Are we so willing to give that up?

I say that we can win with HONOR! We can do it! There are still those Americans out there who will vote honorably, regardless of race and all the bells and whistles Obama offers.

Joe the Plumber has started a momentum, one that has become an "October Surprise".

220 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:47:45pm

re: #200 Intrepid

Oh, TW - I've missed you lately!


Hey thanks!
I have been busy lately.
I am going phone banking again this Wednesday and have been busy propping up my sister and my cousin who are afraid of an Obama win.
BTW my letter is going to be in the KC Star.
Here it is:

Senator Obama was here Saturday.
I am not a supporter but wanted to go in case I could ask him a question about his tax increase.
I was told by family members not to go because they didn't want me to be destroyed by the media
like Joe the Plumber.
Read that sentence again. For simply asking a question and getting Obama to admit his socialist agenda, the media is shredding Joe and not Obama.
After all it is not the question that was the problem, it was the ANSWER!

Is anyone afraid that would happen to you if you questioned Senator McCain?

This is what he have to look forward to folks in an Obama administration.
And you want to tell me that he is the candidate that can bring people together?
What a joke.

221 Edgar  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:47:51pm

re: #217 Adrenalyn

we are a bunch of weak pussies one on side

Next thing you know, we'll become redundant, too.

222 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:49:36pm

re: #219 Intrepid

Their hatred of Bush (and some of our own) does not negate the responsibility of us to be honorable.

We are the last bastions of honor in the United States. Are we so willing to give that up?

I say that we can win with HONOR! We can do it! There are still those Americans out there who will vote honorably, regardless of race and all the bells and whistles Obama offers.

Joe the Plumber has started a momentum, one that has become an "October Surprise".

I am terribly and truly sorry
but I do disagree

I'd rather be alive& free and fight (back) unfairly
than to be killed, enslaved, etc......

no less is at stake

223 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:49:38pm

re: #209 Oldasdirt
exactly my point Old, I just dont understand why McCain is not on this ..he should be saying more than "Im a Maverick". Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Waters...start naming names. Say it enough and the MSM cant ignore it anymore. I am not about to give up this country I love to a super majority of clueless Lefties. They will tear apart the Constitution one article at a time till there is nothing left.

224 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:50:14pm

re: #214 WayDownSouthInBama

I wish I could agree. Years ago I would have. Not today and I'll tell you why. We have at least one generation of people who have been brought up with a entitlement mentality. They believe the world owes them whatever it is they want. It used to be that there were far fewer of "them" than there were of "us". But their numbers are growing while ours are decreasing. It may,or may not happen this year. But Socialism is coming one day to America. It's just a matter of time. The entitlement mentality will foist it upon us.

I dont see my country that way,,we do need to fix our schools,and get the liberal teachings out of the classroom,,but we still have people showing the young in our country the correct way to think.
But we do need to take back our education system in this country before it is polluted any further.

225 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:50:57pm

re: #222 Adrenalyn

I'd rather be alive& free and fight (back) unfairly
than to be killed, enslaved, etc......

Um.... even if Obama wins, you're not going to be "killed" or "enslaved" because of it.

Let's cut back on the hyperbole, shall we?

226 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:52:23pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

Um.... even if Obama wins, you're not going to be "killed" or "enslaved" because of it.

Let's cut back on the hyperbole, shall we?

I dunno O.R.
what will the left bring in victory ?

it scares the crap out of me

and what will the crazies of the world bring...

227 hermit  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:52:43pm

re: #224 Oldasdirt

As a teacher, I can't ding you up more. When will we take our children back from this enforced federal orphanage?

228 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:52:52pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

Um.... even if Obama wins, you're not going to be "killed" or "enslaved" because of it.

Let's cut back on the hyperbole, shall we?

Yeah, that's pretty freakin' ridiculous, and makes us look like lunatics.

229 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:54:13pm

Their hatred of Bush.

I remember the protests during his first inaugural.

It was a despicable display.

230 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:54:33pm

re: #212 NY Nana

Karridine,

You saved me a lot of typing...I agree with you.

It must be hard to watch this from Thailand...you have no idea what this is doing to anyone who gives a damn, but for you? Ouch.. It is as if they sprayed a secret substance or a miasma over us all...how anyone in their right mind could even consider him? I cannot understand. What is the feeling that you get from friends and neighbors?

The only time that I am away from the news is when I sleep, and that lately has not been easy to do.

Roger THAT, Nana! Sleep comes rarely these days, as I scan the horizon for signs of life...

They're there, but mostly by inference. Zombie's Analysis the other day was an insight into what the narrow McCain victory will be attributable to, but every time I hear Thai radio-news run a blurb on President Bush or Obama or McCain I see ever more clearly the disunity in America, and how that disunity drives America to ruin atop a PARTITE (parties, tribes, dis-unified) political system.

The shortcomings and deficiencies are serious, and are being gamed by Obama with his hypnotic abilities and total disregard for human respect.

/other than that, I'm enjoying a balmy Tuesday afternoon, soft breezes, jasmine scented cool on my brow, wife nearby to chat, kids out playing, cloudy skies after rains last night, and work looking GOOD.

231 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:55:09pm

re: #228 TheMatrix31

Yeah, that's pretty freakin' ridiculous, and makes us look like lunatics.

Hint: it'll start with the "fairness doctrine"
and take off from there

but also, did Biden not say he and Obama will get right down to prosecuting Bush and Cheney for War crimes ?

it would be bad for them to win

and yes, I was an adult and survived Carter
so I remember what that was like

I feel this will not compare

232 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:55:10pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

Um.... even if Obama wins, you're not going to be "killed" or "enslaved" because of it.

Let's cut back on the hyperbole, shall we?

You don't think the taxation policies Obama will very likely enact would qualify as "enslavement"?

233 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:55:15pm

Good night.

234 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #227 hermit

As a teacher, I can't ding you up more. When will we take our children back from this enforced federal orphanage?

We need to do it soon my friend,,or all hope will be lost.
But we still have time.
We need to teach the constitution and why we wrote it in the first place,then,,all will be right.

235 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:56:31pm

re: #102 jeremy0114

There. Updinged you just so you don't get the satisfaction of hitting -40 by sunrise on my watch!

GMTA!

236 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:56:33pm

re: #191 WayDownSouthInBama

Part of the trouble now is that many of the Cult of Obama followers are too young to remember Carter. Those of us who raised a family in the midst of the Days of Malaise remember what the Carter policies brought on our nation. There is no need for Obama to repeat the past mistakes of Carter for me to know how this will turn out. I know already.

And that really is a very big part of it.

My kids are 44, 42, 41 and 36...I do not bring up the election any more, as my 3 little grandkids do not have to see a family fight...they are only 8, 6 and 2.

I fear that I know the same answer that you do, but still must hold on the the belief that people will see that mettle of the man that is Senator John McCain, and realize that Hussein is an empty suited Manchurian candidate, before 2 weeks from today.

Those fake ballots scare me witless.

237 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:56:57pm

re: #211 TheMatrix31

Dear Leader Obama!

Most Gracious First One Obama!

O Thou First Comrade Obama!

/ THESE 'sound' about right, Matrix... :D

238 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:57:28pm

Well as I've said many times before out here, I have faith in the American Voter - I believe that when he or she is in the privacy of the voting booth, he or she will choose the candidate that he or she TRUSTS THE MOST.
PERIOD.
Trust Obama? After he rejected Public Financing after first having signed an agreement to accept it? And is the first candidate from EITHER party to so reject public funding for more than 20 years? After saying he'd vote against FISA then voting for it? After denying he "knew Billy Ayers" other than from around the Hyde Park millionaire's neighborhood, then grudgingly admitting that he shared an office with Ayers, that he wrote a promotional blurb on one of Ayers books, that he used Ayer's Chicago mansion to help kick-start his political life? After writing in his OWN BOOK that Rev Wright was his spritual leader and how Rev Wright married Barry and Michelle and then, on seperate occasions, baptised their two children; after being Rev Wright's congregant for over 20 years, suddenly he disagrees with what Wright has been saying about America and White people for those 20 years? That he didn't know "much" about ACORN although he did represent them in one lawsuit and that the founder of ACORN, Mark Rathke was one of Billy Ayers co-conspirator in the Weather Underground came as news to Senator Obama? And on and on and on. Who the hell would YOU trust, standing in the privacy of that voting booth - Obama or Senator McCain who has ALWAYS PUT AMERICA FIRST his entire life. Who IS considered a Maverick in the Republican Party and his VP, Sarah Palin won the Governorship of Alaska by taking on and beating a corrupt REPUBLICAN Govenor. Who would YOU TRUST?
Yeah, and I think that's who a majority of the American Voting Pubic will feel too.

239 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:58:06pm

re: #231 Adrenalyn

Hint: it'll start with the "fairness doctrine"
and take off from there

but also, did Biden not say he and Obama will get right down to prosecuting Bush and Cheney for War crimes ?

it would be bad for them to win

and yes, I was an adult and survived Carter
so I remember what that was like

I feel this will not compare

Could be, but I would assume that the First Amendment stands up. Although, with who he would probably appoint to the bench, things would get dicey at times.

Let's never find out!

240 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:58:08pm

re: #222 Adrenalyn

I am terribly and truly sorry
but I do disagree

I'd rather be alive& free and fight (back) unfairly
than to be killed, enslaved, etc......

no less is at stake

Excuse me? I'm talking about fighting so OBAMA doesn't happen! And the only way we can do that is with HONOR!

For example, as on an earlier thread here today, McCain supporters shouted down other McCain supporters who pushed the whole "Obama is a Muslim" meme.

I'm talking about all of us getting out there and doing all we can to volunteer at the local republican committee offices - making phone calls, passing out fliers, doing what ever - to help out in the cause.

You want to not be enslaved? Then get out and fight against it!

Donate an hour of your time to your local republican office!

Don't sit back and think it's inevitable! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

241 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:58:28pm

re: #173 Gus 802

I saw that USMC 1968 had passed on.

My condolensces to all that knew and loved him.

RIP USMC 1968

Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And have never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

242 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:58:46pm

re: #219 Intrepid
Im with ya bud! My father fought in WW2 (29th division, D-Day - Omaha Beach). This fight is nothing compared to what he ,and others ,went through for me. I dont think he ever thought his son would be fighting from within to protect that same country for his grandkids. But I gladly take the responsibility so ... lets rock!

243 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:58:48pm

re: #237 Karridine

Dear Leader Obama!

Most Gracious First One Obama!

O Thou First Comrade Obama!

/ THESE 'sound' about right, Matrix... :D

I'm 20, I don't deserve to think about these nightmares.

244 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 10:59:46pm

re: #230 Karridine

Meanwhile, across the South China, I'm perhaps thankful that the local political telenovela (i.e. soap opera) is more prominent than the one abroad. Perhaps it will shield me in the event of...well...you know.

245 BignJames  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:00:07pm

re: #238 realwest

But no one that supports him believes any of that.

246 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:00:23pm

re: #235 redc1c4

GMTA!

Gaaarrrr, Matey..what are we drinking tonite?

247 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:00:27pm

re: #243 TheMatrix31

I'm 20, I don't deserve to think about these nightmares.

No one deserves it, no matter how old.

248 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:00:39pm

re: #239 TheMatrix31

Could be, but I would assume that the First Amendment stands up. Although, with who he would probably appoint to the bench, things would get dicey at times.

Let's never find out!

Yeah good luck with that.
You see what that got Joe the plumber.

249 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:00:40pm

re: #238 realwest

It may not look as though it's sticking in the peoples minds now,,but it is,and will.A stark reality comes to those standing at that lever on election day,and they will make the right decision,I am sure.

250 cliffster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:01:47pm

Night all. You rock.

251 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:01:52pm

re: #238 realwest

They'll trust Obama because unlike Rethuglicans who cover up the bitter infighting within their own cabal of elitists with smears against people who represent the spirit of progress, Obama will finally give a voice to those who have long since been disenfranchised by the system at large! Sure he may be rich and educated, but at least he actually worked to serve the poor...before the Republicans negated his progress in Chicago, forcing him to seek higher office!

//////////////////////////// there goes this week's state allotment of sarc slashes, back to the dark-grey market because calling it the black market is RACSIT!

252 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:02:09pm

re: #243 TheMatrix31

I'm 20, I don't deserve to think about these nightmares.

FINALLY! Someone younger than me on LGF!

253 realwest  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:02:54pm

Well all y'all it's been grand - and sad to hear that USMC 1968 has passed on. But I must go to sleep NOW.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.
RIP, USMC 1968, you are where you should be, in God's loving arms.

Good night, all.

254 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:03:21pm

re: #252 laZardo

FINALLY! Someone younger than me on LGF!

I just found out NY Nana may be older than me,,LOL

255 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:03:29pm

re: #240 Intrepid

Excuse me? I'm talking about fighting so OBAMA doesn't happen! And the only way we can do that is with HONOR!

For example, as on an earlier thread here today, McCain supporters shouted down other McCain supporters who pushed the whole "Obama is a Muslim" meme.

I'm talking about all of us getting out there and doing all we can to volunteer at the local republican committee offices - making phone calls, passing out fliers, doing what ever - to help out in the cause.

You want to not be enslaved? Then get out and fight against it!

Donate an hour of your time to your local republican office!

Don't sit back and think it's inevitable! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!


that is the spirit my dear poster
I don't want to fight dirty
or see Mccain do such
but when attacked, he MUST fight back
and not consider it "dishonorable" to do so

that is my opinion, at least

he should use every piece of ammunition at his disposal

you see, Obama is a lawyer
and lawyers know you attack with everything, no matter how trivial or how much it may appear as overkill

victory is the ultimate outcome, not negotiation, compromise or mediation but total and convincing victory

why must Republicans forget this about democrats/lawyers ?

256 freedombilly  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:03:29pm

The next time I check in will be from Bangkok. Had to switch hotels at the last minute because of protesters trying to overthrow the government in the first hotel's neighborhood.

Should be a fun trip. Always fun to see what kind of a translator we get for our concerts.

Won't miss the election drone from this wonderful country. I am relieved that I can keep in touch with CNN International. What a pleasure that is. No wonder so much of the world dislikes us.

Sleepy time. Good night lizards.

257 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:03:32pm

re: #244 laZardo

NO SHIELD, LaZardo! You'll suffer in your way as much as any other, in their way! We are ALL in this together, even the Socialist Hell-Holes currently pushing for an Obama win!

If Obama drags America down, the world will go with us!

258 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:03:37pm

re: #252 laZardo

FINALLY! Someone younger than me on LGF!

How old are you?

259 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:04:41pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

Um.... even if Obama wins, you're not going to be "killed" or "enslaved" because of it.

Let's cut back on the hyperbole, shall we?

Tell that to the people in the Straight Talk Express bus.

Tell that to the McCain supporter who got the crap beat out of her in NYC.

And both of those are on the LGF front page right now.

260 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:04:47pm

re: #258 TheMatrix31

21.

261 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:05:07pm

re: #242 Bos2112

Im with ya bud! My father fought in WW2 (29th division, D-Day - Omaha Beach). This fight is nothing compared to what he ,and others ,went through for me. I dont think he ever thought his son would be fighting from within to protect that same country for his grandkids. But I gladly take the responsibility so ... lets rock!

Let's do it, Bos! Let's get out and make sure we keep our country safe from Obama and his co-horts!

My dad was on board a ship offering cover for the lads who stormed the beaches at Normandy. Pop was a gunner's mate, and would be turning over in his grave to think that we could possibly be voting in someone like Obama. And he was a life-long democrat.

262 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:05:56pm

Why all this talk about fighting? Why does everything have to be so violent? :-)

263 capitalist piglet  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:06:49pm

re: #228 TheMatrix31

Yeah, that's pretty freakin' ridiculous, and makes us look like lunatics.

I appreciate what you guys are saying and agree with it to an extent, but I just want to add one thing. We're seeing things that a lot of us never thought we'd see happen in America: rampant, unchecked voter registration fraud (sure to be followed by full-blown voter fraud - it's probably going on already), in plain sight, with no apparent remedy forthcoming; children hypnotically singing praises to a politician; law enforcement officials participating in a "Truth Squad"; a presidential candidate who once belonged to an arguably openly socialist party...the list could go on and on.

I guess what I'm saying is that we know from history that very bad things can follow developments like these - and it may be hyperbolic, but it isn't completely out of the question that things could get very, very bad here.

Given what we know, and considering that there are some things we surely don't know yet, I think Obama could very well be even worse than we imagine.

264 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:07:21pm

re: #262 logboy

Why all this talk about fighting? Why does everything have to be so violent? :-)

A famous general once said"Talk peace,Build armies".Still true today.

265 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:07:28pm

re: #246 x-wing

Gaaarrrr, Matey..what are we drinking tonite?

anything alcoholic will do on this end...... %-)

266 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:07:33pm

re: #239 TheMatrix31

Could be, but I would assume that the First Amendment stands up. Although, with who he would probably appoint to the bench, things would get dicey at times.

Let's never find out!

ah, but the first Amendment is half gone already
the race card and other forms of political correct speech have already wormed thru have of it

and given both House and Senate plus 1600 Pa Avenue
the Supreme Court would eventually follow
and we'd see our constitution "evolve" the way the left wants it

remember, to them it is a living document, capable of growing and adapting instead of us following it's elegant design

267 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:08:17pm

re: #243 TheMatrix31

I'm 20, I don't deserve to think about these nightmares.

I was 18, did I deserve to stand knee-deep atop a mountain on the south side of the Korean DMZ, vigilant in my support of America's efforts to contain the socialist-communist disease?

Did I deserve to observe at close quarters the misery such socialism inflicts on humans?

Maybe no, maybe yes, but I felt those nightmares, up close and bloody, and I cannot stand still while others work to inflict them on us, today, Matrix!

268 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:08:55pm

re: #257 Karridine

NO SHIELD, LaZardo! You'll suffer in your way as much as any other, in their way! We are ALL in this together, even the Socialist Hell-Holes currently pushing for an Obama win!

If Obama drags America down, the world will go with us!

I got pushed around (and eventually railroaded out of) high school by the same people I would expect to support Obama. Mind, I was in a private "International School," where the kids who went there were celebrities or children thereof...as well as the spoiled rich, one of whom went to China for MUN and came back clutching the Little Red Book.

I simply don't see how life would significantly change - or at least become too unfamiliar - with them in positions of power.

/always identified with Benjamin from Animal Farm...smarter donkey than the American Congressional variety...

269 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:09:28pm

100,000 to see Obama. 5,000 for McCain today. This country has been bewitched. I think that the MSM has so skewed the public with racism, hatred for the country, special interests, that Homer Simpson could win the presidency. And I guess that is what the nation wants.

270 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:09:32pm

re: #264 Oldasdirt

A famous general once said"Talk peace,Build armies".Still true today.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

"If you would peace, [prepare] for war."

271 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:09:45pm

263, 266, 267 --

All excellent points.

272 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:09:54pm

re: #255 Adrenalyn

Oh, republicans - they got them some lawyers, doncha know.

Heh.

:-)

273 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:10:30pm

re: #265 redc1c4

anything alcoholic will do on this end...... %-)

Let me check my stock. O.K. it's Ale or Rum ..Matey. Choose your poison ;>}

274 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:10:47pm

re: #256 freedombilly

Y'all can call on me when you get here, Freedom! Others here (Mama Winger) can get you in touch with me, and vouch a little for my character.

275 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:11:39pm

re: #272 Intrepid

Oh, republicans - they got them some lawyers, doncha know.

Heh.

:-)

indeed, where do you thnk I learned about the almost instinctive nature of them to go for the jugular - they must teach it in law school
over and over and over
because it is their M.O.

aside that, it's all about "billable hours"

276 logboy  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:04pm

I'm out. Have to get up early to have my advisor tell me I'm light years from graduating.

277 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:24pm

re: #267 Karridine

stand knee-deep atop a mountain = stand knee-deep IN SNOW atop a mountain

278 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:28pm

'Nite lizards.

Here's to our buddy, USMC 1968:

Godspeed.

279 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:31pm

I think the reason they don't prosecute ACORN is pretty simple.

280 Bos2112  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:45pm

My dad was a Dem too-lol. I pretty sure he would have flipped to the right after Kerry ,and I KNOW hes rolling over in his grave right now. I have been emailing my liberal friends ad nausea on this.. to the point I have been called obsessed -lol.But I dont care..this is way too important. Up until a few months ago I worked for Reuters and saw first hand how MSM is suppressing anything negative about "the One" . Godspeed Sir!

281 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:51pm

re: #276 logboy

Cheers, and salutes for your sacrifices.

282 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:12:59pm

I think I am at the point now where I am curious what will happen.

283 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:13:06pm

re: #119 Neo Con since 9-11

Much speculation has been made here about why the polls are incorrectly favoring Obama including zombie's excellent essay and many other's comments. I would just like to add $.02
The first question pollster's want answered is the party affiliation of the person being interviewed. They discover this either by looking at voter registration or directly asking during the phone call. This roughly breaks down 36% Democrat, 27% Republican, 24% independent, 13% other/undecided.
Next the pollster wants to know who the individual is planning voting for.
Finally, the statisticians weigh the responses based on how many respondents belong too each party. Example.
Out of the 100 Democrats 90 say they are voting for Obama and 10 for McCain so the pollster multiplies 90 by 36% (the percentage of Democrats the believe are in the country) and gets 3240 for Obama. Then they multiply 10 by 36% and get 360 for McCain.
They do the same for the Republicans. Out of 100 Republicans 90 are pro-McCain and 10 are for Obama. 90 times 27% (the estimated number of Republicans) of equals 2430 for McCain. 10 times 27% means 270 for Obama
For this example lets say the independents break evenly so it's 50 out of 100 votes for each. 50 times 24% is 1200 for each. Also assume the undecided remain undecided.
Then the polling company adds all the numbers for each candidate and divides by 100.
So for Obama 3240+270+1200=4710. 4710/100=47.1%.
For McCain 360+2430+1200=3990. 3990/100=39.9%
Voila 7.2% Obama lead. Normally this formula works pretty well, however there are at least three things wrong with it this election cycle. First is operation chaos wildly exaggerates the number of registered Democrats. Second, the PUMAs, they still consider themselves Democrats and they too inflate the (D) numbers and tilt the numbers toward the Democrat candidate, Obama, despite the fact that most of the 5 million of them would crawl over broken glass to vote against him. The final problem is with one of the assumptions I made to simplify the math, namely that undecided/independents would break evenly, so far this year the independents have broken decisively against Obama.

Have you seen my brand-new posting about me becoming an Obama volunteer? :

Volunteering at an Obama Phone Bank

After doing some calls for Obama, I made this observation:

It was obvious to me that the Obama campaign was using these phone banks to generate statistics for voter preferences: they compile the answers that we phone-bankers record all over the country, and come up with percentages for their “internal polls” about how many people are planning to vote for Obama, McCain, etc. In my micro-sample, it was a 50-50 split. But what concerns me are those 14 people (out of 16 calls, excluding the wrong numbers) who either didn’t answer, or who hung up after answering. Why did those seven people hang up on me? Why did they not want to be polled? I’m sure the answers are varied and unique to each person, but could it be that one or two or more of them didn’t want to have a political discussion with an Obama campaign volunteer? And the four other people who let the answering machine get the call and three who didn’t answer at all — did any of them have caller ID and not answer because a stranger was calling? Why?

I feel, as I surmised in my essay, that the any polling samples generated this way are potentially way off, and exclude most voters who simply refuse to be polled. The real question is: How do those people intend to vote? Because the “unpollable registered voters” demographic is likely to be the largest demographic of all. And we have no idea how they intend to vote, nor why they refuse to be polled...etc.

284 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:14:48pm

re: #283 zombie

PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!

/I thought you were in California, not New Mexico...

285 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:15:42pm

re: #283 zombie

Zombie,

Read that this afternoon and thought it was great. I remember back in the late 80s some of the Dems used to be paranoid about infiltrators.

Looked like San Josie.

286 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:16:13pm

re: #269 pat

100,000 to see Obama. 5,000 for McCain today. This country has been bewitched. I think that the MSM has so skewed the public with racism, hatred for the country, special interests, that Homer Simpson could win the presidency. And I guess that is what the nation wants.

The 100K was at St Louis, and only on one day. Palin gets crowds of 25K plus every time she shows up, no matter what city! Obama had those crowds months ago, but doesn't get them now, unless there is a special rally on one day!

Stop drinking the kool-aid, Pat! Yikes, you're an eyeore par-extroardinare.

287 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:16:15pm

re: #283 zombie
Wow, Zombie you are a super-LGF-undercover operative!

288 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:16:18pm

re: #283 zombie

Holy shit, dude, you've gone into the belly of the beast yet again!

289 Adrenalyn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:18:19pm

Zombie,

you have the patience of a Mother Teresa

I could not spend 2 minutes around these "people" and not want to __________ (Adreno-censor activated)

290 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:18:22pm

re: #273 x-wing

Let me check my stock. O.K. it's Ale or Rum ..Matey. Choose your poison ;>}

yes....... %-)

291 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:19:03pm

re: #290 redc1c4

yes....... %-)

LOL, coming right up.

292 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:19:42pm

re: #277 Karridine

Could you please order for me a box of Pah-sii-ieew - sen lek?

Maay phet maak.

20 baht, chai may?

:-)

293 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:19:52pm

re: #290 redc1c4

yes....... %-)

Is that a drink for an owner of a lonely heart?

294 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:20:04pm

I bring you some good news. Obamatrons be afraid, very afraid.

Ruh-Roh... Polls Overestimated Obama's Strength By Average of 7 Percentage Points This Year

295 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:20:43pm

re: #286 Intrepid

That is true. And also known to me. Palin is outdrawing Biden 10 to one. She is also outdrawing McCain 5 to one. But she is not running for President, and is 4 to one behind Obama. I think we are well within the landslide. Where we will have a strange government run by incompetents on a monumental scale.

296 Gus 802  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:21:35pm

Actually. How much of Soros money is gold money? I know his brother is a spectacularly successful mining magnate. Haven’t checked the SEC info on both in a while – last time was noting the Soros and Jet Blue interests.

It would be interesting to connect Obama money with the “strife of the African miner class” vis a vi Soros. You can even toss in the “environmental impact” of the Soros money. Hit them with their own weaponry.

/Then again we probably know this.

297 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:22:47pm

re: #292 Intrepid

WTH is that? Steamed grasshoppers? I should keep up with my Korean studies.

298 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:22:48pm

re: #268 laZardo

How could Obama change/drag-down America?

He starts with investigations to punish Bush administration for 'War Crimes'; reinstates the 'Fairness Doctrine'; gets his socialist taxes passed; and then DISAVOWS RESPONSIBILITY for the serious damage wrought by these above-mentioned realities.

Just these, in and of themselves, could scar America for decades LaZardo! Sniping after the fact, using public money to hold show-trials intended to humiliate public servants? THINK: How would this CHANGE the American attitude? outlook?

Then when people GIVE UP ("Why work when I can't keep my money?") or GAME-the-SYSTEM ("Why work when I can suck up benefits for free?") or LEAVE ("I've worked long enough to get my family to Canada/Mexico/Australia, I'm outta here!) then THINK how hundreds of thousands of productive Americans becoming unproductive virtually overnight will affect Obama's Americanoid-system?

Not to mention the bullying, the racism, the bludgeoning-with-RACIST-Epithet that gets substituted for discourse...

See the big picture? There's more, Z....

299 Odinga  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:25:19pm

re: #295 pat

That is true. And also known to me. Palin is outdrawing Biden 10 to one. She is also outdrawing McCain 5 to one. But she is not running for President, and is 4 to one behind Obama. I think we are well within the landslide. Where we will have a strange government run by incompetents on a monumental scale.

WTF? Are you suggesting that Palin could not draw 150,000 people with a weeks notice near a major city? She has pulled 20k, 30k and 50k in very small towns with hardly any notice so as not to clue in the enemy.

SHE COULD FILL A NASCAR STADIUM TWO DAYS IN A ROW.

300 Intrepid  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:26:25pm

re: #297 x-wing

WTH is that? Steamed grasshoppers? I should keep up with my Korean studies.

Heh - I've had fried grass hoppers, and other deep fried bugs. But never steamed ones.

(and not Korean - THAI!)

301 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:26:58pm

Looks like I'm off the hook for getting Littleoldlady some Lobstah bisque if the Phils beat the Red Sox in the world series.

302 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:27:23pm

re: #299 Odinga

LOL. Easily.

303 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:27:42pm

re: #298 Karridine

How could Obama change/drag-down America?

He starts with investigations to punish Bush administration for 'War Crimes'; reinstates the 'Fairness Doctrine'; gets his socialist taxes passed; and then DISAVOWS RESPONSIBILITY for the serious damage wrought by these above-mentioned realities.

Just these, in and of themselves, could scar America for decades LaZardo! Sniping after the fact, using public money to hold show-trials intended to humiliate public servants? THINK: How would this CHANGE the American attitude? outlook?

Then when people GIVE UP ("Why work when I can't keep my money?") or GAME-the-SYSTEM ("Why work when I can suck up benefits for free?") or LEAVE ("I've worked long enough to get my family to Canada/Mexico/Australia, I'm outta here!) then THINK how hundreds of thousands of productive Americans becoming unproductive virtually overnight will affect Obama's Americanoid-system?

Not to mention the bullying, the racism, the bludgeoning-with-RACIST-Epithet that gets substituted for discourse...

See the big picture? There's more, Z....

Mandatory lending policies, then government approved saving institutions. Federal licensing of certain occupations, lobbyist, doctors, attorneys, mortgage companies. Mandatory IRS audits of suspect occupations. Let felonies vote. Amnesty for all illegals. Etc.

304 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:28:05pm

re: #298 Karridine

How could Obama change/drag-down America?

He starts with investigations to punish Bush administration for 'War Crimes'; reinstates the 'Fairness Doctrine'; gets his socialist taxes passed; and then DISAVOWS RESPONSIBILITY for the serious damage wrought by these above-mentioned realities.

Just these, in and of themselves, could scar America for decades LaZardo! Sniping after the fact, using public money to hold show-trials intended to humiliate public servants? THINK: How would this CHANGE the American attitude? outlook?

Then when people GIVE UP ("Why work when I can't keep my money?") or GAME-the-SYSTEM ("Why work when I can suck up benefits for free?") or LEAVE ("I've worked long enough to get my family to Canada/Mexico/Australia, I'm outta here!) then THINK how hundreds of thousands of productive Americans becoming unproductive virtually overnight will affect Obama's Americanoid-system?

They'll (or rather, those remaining) will just blame the Republicans. Or the remnants of the "Bush-Cheneyist" Cabal. If things don't go well, it's because they're picking up "way too many pieces" for 8 years to handle.

Not to mention the bullying, the racism, the bludgeoning-with-RACIST-Epithet that gets substituted for discourse...

See the big picture? There's more, Z....


That's the picture I've been seeing since I was in elementary. I've been picked on because I can speak English better than Filipino, for instance. Or made fun of in class because I was an "over-contributor", meaning I'm "leaving people behind." Living in fear is not really a new concept for me, and is something I could unfortunately get used to.

/lunch, brb

305 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:28:50pm

re: #299 Odinga

WTF? Are you suggesting that Palin could not draw 150,000 people with a weeks notice near a major city? She has pulled 20k, 30k and 50k in very small towns with hardly any notice so as not to clue in the enemy.

SHE COULD FILL A NASCAR STADIUM TWO DAYS IN A ROW.

In fairness, I suggest Danica Patrick could, too.

Could you imagine Danica and Sarah doing an event together? Imagine the fistfights in the ticket lines! LOL

"I went to get NASCAR tickets and a hockey match broke out!"

306 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:29:19pm

re: #300 Intrepid

Heh - I've had fried grass hoppers, and other deep fried bugs. But never steamed ones.

(and not Korean - THAI!)

Grasshoppers? Without chocolate? I guess it would be okay, but . . .

307 JacksonTn  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:29:25pm

Clinton may have the last word ........Fraud from the Primary ...... PUMAs ....letter from Clinton attorney .....

[Link: i.a.cnn.net...]

308 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:29:45pm

re: #292 Intrepid

Sen Lek? Sen LEK?

C'mon, go for the BIG noodles, they're yummy all round!

/order up! :D (25 Baht, what with inflation)
// but 25Baht = $0.75, for a hot plate of noodles & gravy, not too spicy... what a bargain!

309 victor_yugo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:29:55pm

re: #303 pat

Mandatory lending policies, then government approved saving institutions. Federal licensing of certain occupations, lobbyist, doctors, attorneys, mortgage companies. Mandatory IRS audits of suspect occupations. Let felonies vote. Amnesty for all illegals. Etc.

In other words, the realization of Atlas Shrugged.

310 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:30:11pm

re: #299 Odinga

Speaking of NASCAR.I am sure hoping Jeff Burton wins the championship.
Dont be mad at me,,cause with a face like his,,you got to love him.LOL

311 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:30:14pm

re: #305 victor_yugo

In fairness, I suggest Danica Patrick could, too.

Could you imagine Danica and Sarah doing an event together? Imagine the fistfights in the ticket lines! LOL

"I went to get NASCAR tickets and a hockey match mom broke out!"

Fixed that for you.

312 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:31:32pm

re: #230 Karridine

Roger THAT, Nana! Sleep comes rarely these days, as I scan the horizon for signs of life...

They're there, but mostly by inference. Zombie's Analysis the other day was an insight into what the narrow McCain victory will be attributable to, but every time I hear Thai radio-news run a blurb on President Bush or Obama or McCain I see ever more clearly the disunity in America, and how that disunity drives America to ruin atop a PARTITE (parties, tribes, dis-unified) political system.

The shortcomings and deficiencies are serious, and are being gamed by Obama with his hypnotic abilities and total disregard for human respect.

/other than that, I'm enjoying a balmy Tuesday afternoon, soft breezes, jasmine scented cool on my brow, wife nearby to chat, kids out playing, cloudy skies after rains last night, and work looking GOOD.

Karridine,

I wish that I was able to give you 5 dings up...excellent post.

You have described it in a nutshell...no, not an ACORN.

You have Hussein nailed. And re disunity? Even a family dinner can cause agita....because of the divisions of opinion. I know that our kids will at first be thrilled if the very worst thing happens, but very soon will get a wake-up call that they will never forget, and that there will be apologies. But they also will realize too late that there is no turning back the clock to stop the tsunami that will wipe out the very essence of our country, but that their childrens' generation will still be trying to repair.

What horrifies me is that even as a one term President, with a Demonrat majority in Congress? What would it take to have Hussein impeached? He makes Nixon (the only US President I ever saw in person, when he campaigned here) look like an innocent. I am seriously re-evaluating my opinion.

I pray that Hussein will not be elected, and that this country will wake up to the fact that he is hijacking the USA...and that he cannot and will not get away with it, and will fade away into oblivion, or better yet be put in prison.

It is nearly 2:30 AM here, and I want to try and sleep. I just took my blood sugar, and it is elevated, like it is when I have a virus or a bug....hmmm, is there a dangerous virus called the 'Barack Hussein Obama Virus'™ ?

I must not stop believing that McCain will win.

G'nite, all. I wish you all sweet dreams, and that we all wake up to good news.

313 Globular Cluster  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:32:51pm

Ok, Murtha has changed his mind.

Western PA residents aren't racist.

They're now "Rednecks".

Good job, Bob.

314 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:33:05pm

re: #298 Karridine

You left out stacking the supreme court with lib-activist judges who will likely chip away at the second amendment, continue granting more rights to enemies of the USA than someone caught jaywalking in Times Square and happily start skiing full throttle down that slippery slope that libs love to caution us about whenever a Scalia is appointed.

315 x-wing  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:34:38pm

re: #300 Intrepid

Heh - I've had fried grass hoppers, and other deep fried bugs. But never steamed ones.

(and not Korean - THAI!)

I worked with a Viet Nam Vet that brought in all kinds of crazy shit when he came back from visiting Asia. I always passed on it. I could eat bugs if I had to but, if I can eat a burger instead, I'll pass on insects..

316 NY Nana  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:35:42pm

re: #237 Karridine

You mean like this?

317 Inquisitive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:36:32pm

I keep rereading Bidens statement he made.....and keep trying to figure out what he was trying to tell them(warn them about)....I think him and Obama has already did some planning....and I think they know that the American people are not going to be happy with it....and he even knows that the people he is talking to is even going to question the decision. Something they are planning is not going to be very good at all....and I think that what ever they have planned is going to be the cause of and why he knows(he even tells them to remember he said it) Obama is going to be tested within 6 months. I really don't like the way the last paragraph sounds....there is just something about it.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."............
"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

318 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:37:53pm

re: #314 Fenway_Nation

You left out stacking the supreme court with lib-activist judges who will likely chip away at the second amendment, continue granting more rights to enemies of the USA than someone caught jaywalking in Times Square and happily start skiing full throttle down that slippery slope that libs love to caution us about whenever a Scalia is appointed.

Yup.

I started writing a small list for LaZardo (and NY Nana) but so many other rational contributors here have helped flesh out that skeleton... the walking undead THING of a GOVERNMENT is fearful to contemplate, and would require blood, much blood, to drive a stake through ITS heartless soul...

Concur yr analysis, Fenway!

319 Oldasdirt  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:38:19pm

Goodnight lizards,keep the faith.

320 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:40:23pm

re: #316 NY Nana

You mean like this?

Whenever I hear the Obama Youth sing, I can't help but have this come to mind.

321 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:41:29pm

re: #181 Typicalwhitey

McCain will win.
Too much is coming out about obama now.
He will drip, drip, drip slowly lose in the polls.

I am positive that McCain will iwn.

I am ready to agree. Obama is slipping and there seems little he can do about it at this point.
The moonbat leftists will go absolutely ape-shit if that happens, with conspiracy theories and charges of fraud flying as fast as the MSM can fabricate, quite probably riots, and a cloud of lawsuits to try to stop the inauguration.

322 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:42:41pm

re: #320 gmsc

Well, HERE'S a link to bring to mind by sending it to everyone on your mailing list!

/May we NEVER fin out what it would be like with Obama!

323 SurferDoc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:42:56pm

G'Nite, All!

/Stay Frosty

324 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:43:39pm

re: #308 Karridine

Sen Lek? Sen LEK?

C'mon, go for the BIG noodles, they're yummy all round!

/order up! :D (25 Baht, what with inflation)
// but 25Baht = $0.75, for a hot plate of noodles & gravy, not too spicy... what a bargain!

is the Hep A included or is that extra?

325 Karridine  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:46:19pm

re: #324 redc1c4

Haven't heard much of that these days, improved sanitation and public health, so I've gotta say "That would be a la carte, Sir, and a few bucks extra!"

326 gmsc  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:49:42pm

re: #322 Karridine

Well, HERE'S a link to bring to mind by sending it to everyone on your mailing list!

/May we NEVER fin out what it would be like with Obama!

I've already been sending that out to my friends, and they've been sending to their friends!

327 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:50:38pm

re: #284 laZardo

PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!

/I thought you were in California, not New Mexico...

I am in California. We were calling from here to New Mexico. Other Obama phone banks in the SF Bay Area that day were calling Missouri, Wisconsin, etc. -- anything they consider a "swing state."

No point in calling our fellow Californians, they assume -- the state's in the Obama camp already.

328 pat  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:50:39pm

I also think that idiot Biden was letting something out of the bag.
It is troubling that no one else does or cares. It may be that this country has no spine. When a simple question from a plumber causes hysteria, we are a sick nation.

329 redc1c4  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:50:41pm

re: #325 Karridine

Haven't heard much of that these days, improved sanitation and public health, so I've gotta say "That would be a la carte, Sir, and a few bucks extra!"

how about the water? %-)

330 laZardo  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:51:58pm

re: #327 zombie

...Oh.

/registered in Sacramento County, absentee-voted McCain

331 TheMatrix31  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:52:20pm

Heh, my uncle e-mailed me the article from FOX Red Eye where he called the Obama campaign a bunch of pussies, and asked if it's "rare" of FOX to do this.

Anyone know what items I could send him for a reply?

332 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:53:01pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Zombie,

Read that this afternoon and thought it was great. I remember back in the late 80s some of the Dems used to be paranoid about infiltrators.

Yes, a side benefit of my post is to sow paranoia in the Obama campaign. That is part of the strategy. I want every Obama volunteer to look at every other Obama volunteer and think, Are you a traitor?

333 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:55:05pm

mornin lizards.

334 zombie  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:55:37pm

re: #287 wild olive

Wow, Zombie you are a super-LGF-undercover operative!

re: #288 victor_yugo

Holy shit, dude, you've gone into the belly of the beast yet again!

That's what I do! I've been going under cover into the belly of the beast since 2003.

Actually, since I'm already here in the belly of the beast on a daily basis, it takes zero effort or bravery whatsoever. But hey, who am I to puncture the legend?

335 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:57:54pm

Is it wrong that I laughed at this?

In Fayetteville, NC, today, at Cape Fear BBQ and Chicken, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was greeted by a 54-year-old woman shouting "Socialist! Socialist! Socialist! Get out of here!"

336 wild olive  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:58:29pm

re: #334 zombie

Zombie,

To echo your sentiments, and your concerns about the accuracy of polls, I often wonder how many of the callees are *at work* or *don't like to waste time talking to pollsters* or *don't have a landline, only a cell phone*

337 empills  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:58:29pm

Just read your post zombie. Excellent strategy.

338 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:58:54pm

re: #328 pat

I also think that idiot Biden was letting something out of the bag.
It is troubling that no one else does or cares. It may be that this country has no spine. When a simple question from a plumber causes hysteria, we are a sick nation.

I really think you need to settle. This nation didn't get hysterical- it was the press that did. Please- keep some perspective.

339 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Oct 20, 2008 11:59:20pm

re: #318 Karridine

Even taking refuge in sports, I found the near-constant bombardment of Obama ads at the end of each inning in the ALCS disturbing. If he decides to go through with it, the 30 minute infomercial that's supposed to air right before the World Series is even more disturbing, since I get the feeling he won't let up after the election.

Isn't Hugo Chavez big on his weekly adresses to the nation via TV and radio? Judging from how much I've seen of him during what's supposed to be a non-partisan event (seriously....did Bush or Kerry constantly bombard MLB/NFL viewers with ads in '04?) he really wants to shoehorn himslef into the public spotlight regardless of the venue. I honestly hops that this sort of narcisim backfires...

340 wild olive  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:00:06am

re: #335 Sharmuta

To someone who has lost family or property because of socialist regimes, hers would be an appropriate response. Think of the folks at Babalu Blog.

341 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:02:32am

re: #308 Karridine

Sen Lek? Sen LEK?

C'mon, go for the BIG noodles, they're yummy all round!

/order up! :D (25 Baht, what with inflation)
// but 25Baht = $0.75, for a hot plate of noodles & gravy, not too spicy... what a bargain!

Woot! Even with sen yaay I'm Ok!

But 25 Baht? Is that the price of a street-side meal nowadays?

What about a regular Khao Phat meal? Still 25 baht?

Wow. Inflation hits hard in Thailand.

342 Sylvester_T_Cat  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:02:59am

re: #151 Inquisitive

I am beginning to believe there is a riff between grandma and Michelle.....notice Obama visted 1 hr and wife and girls not with him and it has been announced that they will not be going on this visit.....what do you think......Michelle.....doesn't like grandma

I'm not sure Michelle likes anybody.

Could be I haven't had my radar on at the right time, but I don't think we've heard much if anything about her own parents either.

/Coincidence I suppose ;-).

343 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:03:17am

re: #334 zombie

Actually, since I'm already here in the belly of the beast on a daily basis, it takes zero effort or bravery whatsoever. But hey, who am I to puncture the legend?

I lived in the Bay Area for 3-1/2 years, but I wouldn't have been caught dead at one of those.

Actually, this is what I did near the end of my stint there.

344 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:05:12am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Is it wrong that I laughed at this?

In Fayetteville, NC, today, at Cape Fear BBQ and Chicken, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was greeted by a 54-year-old woman shouting "Socialist! Socialist! Socialist! Get out of here!"

That's not helpful at this point. As the woman's fellow pro-McCain diner said, "Be civil, be courteous."
When disappointed moonbats take to the streets in their enraged hordes on November 5, that will be the time to forget civility.

345 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:05:43am

re: #313 Globular Cluster

Ok, Murtha has changed his mind.

Western PA residents aren't racist.

They're now "Rednecks".

Good job, Bob.

Does he want to win re-election? How is his opponent doing? Yikes. What a tool.

346 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:06:21am

re: #344 Shiplord Kirel

November 5? Isn't that Guy Fawkes Day?

/remember the PUMA's treasonous plot, lol

347 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:07:10am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Is it wrong that I laughed at this?

Only as wrong as this graphic!

re: #338 Sharmuta

I really think you need to settle. This nation didn't get hysterical- it was the press that did. Please- keep some perspective.

Hey, 0bama. Ever notice that the press suffers from hysteria when you're near?

348 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:07:42am

re: #315 x-wing

I worked with a Viet Nam Vet that brought in all kinds of crazy shit when he came back from visiting Asia. I always passed on it. I could eat bugs if I had to but, if I can eat a burger instead, I'll pass on insects..

They're not too bad, if you have enough salt and fish-sauce sprinkled on 'em.

But the legs do tend to get caught in your teeth....

Heh.

349 zombie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:07:58am

re: #343 victor_yugo

I lived in the Bay Area for 3-1/2 years, but I wouldn't have been caught dead at one of those.

Actually, this is what I did near the end of my stint there.

Nice!

There were more and more counter-protesters later in 2005, '06 and '07. The anti-war protest movement basically died in 2008 -- partly in thanks to people like you neutralizing their message. (And partly because we won the war and there was nothing left to protest.)

350 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:08:08am

re: #345 Intrepid

Does he want to win re-election? How is his opponent doing? Yikes. What a tool.

I'm sure he'll get dinged for it.

Down-dings for the ding-dong.

351 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:09:40am

re: #344 Shiplord Kirel

Don't get me wrong- I wouldn't engage in that behavior, but it did make me laugh. I would take more of a Joe tactic and ask him an uncomfortable question.

352 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:10:13am

Fun discussion point:

What theme song would you choose . . .

. . . if McCain wins?

. . . if 0bama wins?

353 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:10:22am

re: #334 zombie

Heh. I was born in the belly of the beast. Though perhaps I definitely would've been "incubated" a lot differently had I stayed.

/video games, bbl

354 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:11:15am

re: #352 gmsc

Fun discussion point:

What theme song would you choose . . .

. . . if McCain wins?

. . . if 0bama wins?

McCain's is "not available in my country."

/LE! NERD! BURN! STEEN! [=

355 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:11:38am

re: #324 redc1c4

is the Hep A included or is that extra?

HEY! I lived there 10 years, ate from street vendors, and never got Hep A.

I did get Typhoid from a 4 star hotel once.....

But food from the street? Not a problem.

356 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:11:52am

re: #354 laZardo

McCain's is "not available in my country."

/LE! NERD! BURN! STEEN! [=

It's Kool & The Gang singing "Celebration".

357 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:12:19am

re: #342 Sylvester_T_Cat

I'm not sure Michelle likes anybody.

Could be I haven't had my radar on at the right time, but I don't think we've heard much if anything about her own parents either.

/Coincidence I suppose ;-).

she wasn't born: she was inflicted.

358 Tamron  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:12:30am

re: #318 Karridine

Yup.

I started writing a small list for LaZardo (and NY Nana) but so many other rational contributors here have helped flesh out that skeleton... the walking undead THING of a GOVERNMENT is fearful to contemplate, and would require blood, much blood, to drive a stake through ITS heartless soul...!


Just found the website TruthOrFiction.com, which isn't left-biased like SNOPES. They have some really good info.

Here's their Top 20 Stories at this hour:

* Obama Lies?-Truth!, Fiction!, and Unproven!
* Why I Can't Vote For Obama by Huntley Brown-Truth!
* Lawyer Challenges Obama Citizenship-Truth! & Unproven!
* Obama explains why he doesn't always salute the flag-Fiction!
* A Card for You , Virtual Card For You , or Postcard Virus Warning or hoax-Fiction! & Truth!
* Obama Volunteer Alerted Secret Service-Truth!
* Woman poisoned by a business card soaked with the Colombian drug burundanga-Unproven!
* Judge Orders Obama To Provide Birth Certificate-Fiction!
* Controversy Over Obama and William Ayers-Truth!
* Hawaii Was Not a State When Obama was Born There and his Mother Was Not Eligible to Give Birth to a
* Quotes from the writings of Barack Obama-Truth! & Fiction!
* Jay Leno or David Letterman Commentary On America-Fiction!
* Sean Hannity Investigates Barack Obama-Truth!
* Senator Barack Obama failed to salute the flag?
* Obama's connections with Kenya-Truth!, Unproven!, & Fiction!
* Obama Truth Squad-Truth!
* Do not call list for cell phone numbers?-Fiction!
* Fannie Mae & Lehman Execs Advising Obama-Truth & Fiction!
* Sarah Palin National Guard Commander-Truth!
* Help Find Ashley Flores-Fiction!

.

359 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:12:48am

re: #351 Sharmuta

Don't get me wrong- I wouldn't engage in that behavior, but it did make me laugh. I would take more of a Joe tactic and ask him an uncomfortable question.

To be fair, I thought it was pretty funny too. It also reminded me of all those people in Network throwing open their windows and yelling, "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

360 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:13:35am

re: #327 zombie

Just popping up my lurkish head to say if your time on the Obama phone bank helped turn New Mexico blue I'm blaming you for the destruction of our country

361 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:13:51am

re: #356 gmsc

Ah. >_>

362 Inquisitive  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:13:53am

re: #338 Sharmuta

I really think you need to settle. This nation didn't get hysterical- it was the press that did. Please- keep some perspective.


Sharmuta I think she/he was responding to my post #317.....and I have been reading other articles after my post and others think their may be something to this also........
Why Joe Biden Doesn't Do Press Conferences
[Link: news.aol.com...]
Then go to RedState.......
RedState:.......last paragraph
I am even less confident in the Democrats' ability to produce an effective and measured response to renewed assaults on American citizens than I am in their ability to counter the diplomatic moves of regimes that don't care if we like them or not. Given that I have zero confidence for them in that, I sympathize if that admission alarms you. It alarms me, too.
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

363 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:15:18am

re: #349 zombie

Nice!

There were more and more counter-protesters later in 2005, '06 and '07. The anti-war protest movement basically died in 2008 -- partly in thanks to people like you neutralizing their message. (And partly because we won the war and there was nothing left to protest.)

That's good to hear, although I wonder how much the essential victory in Iraq would faze the hippie dandruff flakes I saw at that corner. They were disconnected from reality on a fundamental level.

The best reception I got was with a sign stating "HONK IF YOU CAN'T STAND CINDY SHEEHAN". There was a lot of honking. ;-)

364 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:16:01am

I guess I would ask 0bama this: Due to some small businesses not being able to afford higher taxes or mandated healthcare, will you be increasing unemployment benefits?

365 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:16:11am

re: #357 redc1c4

she wasn't born: she was inflicted.

She was somebody's punishment.

And she never grew out of that role.

366 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:16:45am

re: #349 zombie

And....on another level, their 'message' (primarily Iraq-war themed movies and TV episodes written by hack wirters who haven't even so much as looked at a rubber gun in their lives) is there for posterity, so that when the benefit of hindsight is applied to our presence in Iraq, movies like In The Valley of Elah, Lions for Lambs, Redacted or Stoploss or those episodes of the Simpsons or Family Guy where different cast members join a dysfunctional US Army staffed by slimy recruiters and semiliterate hillbilly cannon fodder will be there for all to see....ov DVD or BluRay.

I can only hope that hidsight will be very unkind to them

367 zombie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:17:33am

re: #360 Neo Con since 9-11

Just popping up my lurkish head to say if your time on the Obama phone bank helped turn New Mexico blue I'm blaming you for the destruction of our country

I talked to one Obama voter and one McCain voter. An even split. No undecideds, luckily, so I didn't have to talk anyone into voting for Obama.

368 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:18:12am

re: #366 Fenway_Nation

Speaking of which, has anyone seen further news on ticket fraud against An American Carol?

369 Karridine  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:18:19am

re: #329 redc1c4

Coupla big water-treatment plants on the outskirts... they deliver clean water, in abundance, most of the time... (exception: drought)

...but these recent rains have refilled the collective buckets, so we're set for a while, Red... but no one DRINKS tapwater here anyhow! BIG city for bottled water!

370 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:18:59am

re: #352 gmsc

Fun discussion point:

What theme song would you choose . . .

. . . if McCain wins?

. . . if 0bama wins?

Oh holy crap - give me the first one! I can't handle the second one, no matter what.

371 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:19:32am

re: #359 Shiplord Kirel

To be fair, I thought it was pretty funny too. It also reminded me of all those people in Network throwing open their windows and yelling, "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

Always a good excuse to link this.

372 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:20:33am

re: #368 victor_yugo


Nah....I just heard the initial reports, which I think had yet to be confirmed.

373 Inquisitive  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:20:37am

re: #364 Sharmuta

I guess I would ask 0bama this: Due to some small businesses not being able to afford higher taxes or mandated healthcare, will you be increasing unemployment benefits?

I'm just wishing my small business would get big enough to get taxed by Obama(LOL..LOL) and be able to hire someone so he could fine me for not offering healthcare .....getting pretty tired of having to run the whole business by myself....but was just getting it up going good and had all loans paid off when the gas prices started going up....those prices hurt me badly!

374 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:20:59am

re: #367 zombie

I talked to one Obama voter and one McCain voter. An even split. No undecideds, luckily, so I didn't have to talk anyone into voting for Obama.

Yes but did you remind the Obama voter to go to the polls November 5th?
8-P

375 Karridine  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:21:41am

re: #341 Intrepid

Woot! Even with sen yaay I'm Ok!

But 25 Baht? Is that the price of a street-side meal nowadays? (Yup)

What about a regular Khao Phat meal? Still 25 baht? (30-32)

Wow. Inflation hits hard in Thailand.

double-digit inflation (11%) for the first time in 21 years... the oil cost blew Thailand out of the water, Intrepid...

376 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:22:15am

I definitely like "It's The End Of The World (As We Know It)" over "Celebration", but when you take into account the connection to each candidate, and "Celebration" has to win.

377 Inquisitive  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:22:54am

re: #374 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes but did you remind the Obama voter to go to the polls November 5th?
8-P

Yes....tell them Obama has his very own special voting day....He picked Nov. 5th.

378 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:23:24am

re: #283 zombie


That is what separates you from the masses, 'action'. You move on things. Many are content to talk about it. Moxy.

379 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:23:52am

re: #368 victor_yugo

I haven't. However, the SF Chronicle has refused to review the movie. Every Sunday the Chron has an entertainment section referred to as the Pink Section. Among other things it has capsule reviews of all currently playing movies, featuring the famous little man, who is variously sitting bored in his chair, clapping or jumping out of his seat. For American Carol there is a couple sentence summary of the movie, but no review, and no man in the chair. It is as if the staff decided that the movie doesn't even exist.

380 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:24:08am

re: #376 TheMatrix31

I definitely like "It's The End Of The World (As We Know It)" over "Celebration", but when you take into account the connection to each candidate, and "Celebration" has to win.

Considering this is the last week of employment at my current job, the former reflects my life more accurately right now.

Ah well. If they call me tomorrow and tell me to come in and turn in my stuff, I'll not worry too much about it (yet).

381 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:27:03am

re: #379 neocon hippie

Wow....same as the San Diego Union Tribune....not normally what one would consider a commie-pinko rag, but their in-house movie critics have yet to meet an anti-Iraq war ('documentray' or otherwise) that they don't like....

382 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:30:35am
383 Inquisitive  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:30:55am

Wow 2:30 a.m.....already.....where does the time go when your having fun and with good company. Guess I had better shut this thing down and lay this head on a pillow for a little while. Good night/morn/day.....quess I got all the lizard time zones covered there.

384 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:31:35am

re: #382 Sharmuta

If 0bama wins, this will likely be the song I'll be playing.

Wait a minute...that would at least make his win more tolerable.

385 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:32:04am

re: #375 Karridine

double-digit inflation (11%) for the first time in 21 years... the oil cost blew Thailand out of the water, Intrepid...

Sir may I suggest you have cause and effect reversed? Double digit inflation is likely to blow the costs of oil and the economy of Thailand out of the water

386 odinga  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:33:21am

Biden's statement is truly baffling on so many levels.

Why mention anything now, with 14 days to go, it wasn't necessary. He admits outright that Obama is inexperienced. But if Obama is tested by this supposed challenge isn't the great Biden going to be tested also and won't he tell Obama what to do? What was he implying anyway? How does he know this TOP SECRET attack will happen. Why say this at a fund raiser? And he was so passionate about it also.

This has to be the strangest admission I have every heard. It is off the charts weird.

387 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:33:31am

re: #384 Oh no...Sand People!

The music might, the road traveled won't.

388 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:33:46am

Neehow lizards,

3:30 PM in Nanchang and I notice Zomb is up late. Still having a blast and actually managed to land the sell of about 8 units here today. The first sale in the Jiangxi provence! Not a whole hell of a lot but 500K RMB is nothing to scoff at. If this goes big, it's going to go way big! Wow time to celebrate. Baijiu on me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baijiu
Hey what did the market do today?

389 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:34:54am

re: #385 Neo Con since 9-11

Sir may I suggest you have cause and effect reversed? Double digit inflation is likely to blow the costs of oil and the economy of Thailand out of the water

When the price of gas goes up, the price of everything else goes up with it.

The price of hand lotion won't drive up other prices that way.

390 dentate  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:35:16am

This just in...CNN gets nervous, posts article with unflattering Obama picture

391 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:35:26am

re: #386 odinga

It kind of feeds into the theory that it's the 0bama camp trying to lose this thing. If they send Joe out to make this sort of comment, it excuses 0bama, but it's still just as valid a point.

392 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:37:24am

re: #387 Sharmuta

The music might, the road traveled won't.

That is the truth. Obama will find a way to get rid of the music too once the road trip starts.

393 dentate  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:39:11am

re: #386 odinga

Biden's statement is truly baffling on so many levels.

Why mention anything now, with 14 days to go, it wasn't necessary. He admits outright that Obama is inexperienced. But if Obama is tested by this supposed challenge isn't the great Biden going to be tested also and won't he tell Obama what to do? What was he implying anyway? How does he know this TOP SECRET attack will happen. Why say this at a fund raiser? And he was so passionate about it also.

This has to be the strangest admission I have every heard. It is off the charts weird.

Listen. This is characteristic of Biden. I am not sure what he was like before his aneurysm surgery, but I will tell you this--both aneurysm rupture and the surgery for aneurysm repair as it was done back then could very easily result in frontal lobe damage. One of the common characteristics of frontal lobe damage is disinhibition, another is lack of judgment. Where are Biden's medical records? Would you want someone with even a HINT of such issues one heartbeat from having his finger on the button? Doesn't this statement illustrate my point?

394 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:39:18am

re: #386 odinga

Hey O, Kind of been out of touch lately. I have no clue what foot Biden stuck in his mouth. If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated.

395 Karridine  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:40:35am

re: #385 Neo Con since 9-11

Sir may I suggest you have cause and effect reversed? Double digit inflation is likely to blow the costs of oil and the economy of Thailand out of the water

Yes, you COULD say that, and I'd understand and agree, but the government subsidizes the cost of oil (which fuels inflation) and MAINLY the Thai retailers see public (governmental) admissions of 'transportation costs rising' as a green light for THEM (retailers) to raise prices across the board.

End result? The middle-class are maybe a bit uncomfortable, but the poor get free busrides to their laborious jobs... and prices rise all over town!

396 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:40:52am

re: #394 turn

I have no clue what foot Biden stuck in his mouth.

Both.

397 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:41:16am

re: #393 dentate

Wow, I didn't' know Biden had an aneurysm. That explains a lot.

398 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:41:25am

re: #394 turn

Hey O, Kind of been out of touch lately. I have no clue what foot Biden stuck in his mouth. If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated.

Biden basically said, "Elect Obama and We'll Have an International Crisis"

399 victor_yugo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:41:36am

Okay, y'all, it's coming to an end for me. See ya on the flip side.

400 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:41:47am

re: #391 Sharmuta

It kind of feeds into the theory that it's the 0bama camp trying to lose this thing. If they send Joe out to make this sort of comment, it excuses 0bama, but it's still just as valid a point.

This is my tinfoil hat moment:

It's like we are pre WWII and Hitler is telling us exactly what he aims to do. We are making the mistake of not taking him at his word.

"Spread the wealth." and paraphrase Biden, "Hit in the first 6 months." etc.

They are telling us exactly what they are going to do and many people have their head in the sand and are willfully ignoring it.

401 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:43:43am

Later all. Must go to the gym.

402 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:46:05am

re: #398 gmsc

Biden basically said, "Elect Obama and We'll Have an International Crisis"

Thanks gmsc,

"Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

I don't know what to make of this, it's almost like putting chip on O's shoulder and daring somebody to knock it off. What an idiot! The messiah couldn't deal with a crisis even if it was a friggin bbq fire in his own backyard. Where is Biden coming from?

403 dentate  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:46:22am

re: #397 turn

Wow, I didn't' know Biden had an aneurysm. That explains a lot.

From Wikipedia:

In February 1988, after suffering from neck pains, Biden was hospitalized and given lifesaving surgery to correct a brain aneurysm that had begun leaking.[34] Another operation to repair a second aneurysm was performed in May 1988.[35] The hospitalization and recovery kept him from his duties in the U.S. Senate for seven months.[24]

But aneurysms don't "leak," they rupture. No one has two craniotomies in three months and comes out completely unchanged. As I have mentioned on this site before, I know one of the surgeons who was involved. Believe me.

404 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:48:56am

re: #403 dentate

Wow, I believe you. Just told the turnwife and she said "and this guy is possibly going to be the vice president" Ha ..

405 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:49:35am

re: #402 turn

Thanks gmsc,

"Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

I don't know what to make of this, it's almost like putting chip on O's shoulder and daring somebody to knock it off. What an idiot! The messiah couldn't deal with a crisis even if it was a friggin bbq fire in his own backyard. Where is Biden coming from?

Many of us are trying to figure it out. It doesn't seem to be a confidence builder, even for supporters.

406 BignJames  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:54:16am

re: #405 gmsc

Bet Biden gets the muzzle for the next 2 wks.

407 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:54:52am

re: #389 victor_yugo

When the price of gas goes up, the price of everything else goes up with it.

The price of hand lotion won't drive up other prices that way.

If you are referring to price inflation then you are are correct. I thought Karridine was referring to monetary inflation

408 mas  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:57:49am

Interesting that, even going to see his dying grandma, he needs a pool of reporters.

Michelle wants nothing to do with his "white" side. She's a true racist

409 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:00:04am

re: #406 BignJames

Bet Biden gets the muzzle for the next 2 wks.

With 0bama going off to attend to his typical white grandmother, muzzling Biden for 2 weeks might be tough.

Even more fun - we get to hear more from Michelle!

410 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:03:25am

re: #405 gmsc

Many of us are trying to figure it out. It doesn't seem to be a confidence builder, even for supporters.

I'm reading this again and the phrase "a generated crisis" really stands out as telling. WTF is a generated crisis? Is this saying the vast right wing conspiracy is going to get even with the loss by creating some world crisis to test the messiah? It's almost an admission that the guy is going to fail because it is the opposition's fault. Kind of a rationalization maneuver.

411 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:05:45am

re: #395 Karridine

Yes, you COULD say that, and I'd understand and agree, but the government subsidizes the cost of oil (which fuels inflation) and MAINLY the Thai retailers see public (governmental) admissions of 'transportation costs rising' as a green light for THEM (retailers) to raise prices across the board.

End result? The middle-class are maybe a bit uncomfortable, but the poor get free busrides to their laborious jobs... and prices rise all over town!

Then that 11% inflation you mentioned earlier is really just to pay for Thai socialism, which would be your root cause. In fact socialism is one of the prime reasons for the high oil prices right now. Linky-->[Link: www.forbes.com...]

412 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:06:41am

Sorry to post this here, but:

1) You contact form doesn't work under IE6; the text entry boxes are invisible (although I can select them by clicking in the seemingly empty spaces they occupy and type in them) and once I've filled in the form, there is no "Submit" button or any other way to send the information anywhere.

2) This morning (10/21) I tried visiting the site through Firefox 3 running under Linux. I typed in the address, hit return, and the browser instantly crashed. I restarted, tried going straight to LGF, and it crashed again. I can get here through IE6 under Windows, but Firefox/Linux doesn't like something on your page.

413 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:07:31am

Here's a look into how well state-run oil management works:

Venezuela's oil output slumps under Hugo Chavez

Venezuela's daily oil production has fallen by a quarter since President Hugo Chavez won power, depriving his "Bolivarian Revolution" of much of the benefit of the global boom in oil prices...

The state oil company, PDVSA, produced 3.2 million barrels per day in 1998, the year before Mr Chavez won the presidency. After a decade of rising corruption and inefficiency, daily output has now fallen to 2.4 million barrels, according to OPEC figures. About half of this oil is now delivered at a discount to Mr Chavez's friends around Latin America. The 18 nations in his "Petrocaribe" club, founded in 2005, pay Venezuela only 30 per cent of the market price within 90 days, with rest in instalments spread over 25 years.

The other half - 1.2 million barrels per day - goes to America, Venezuela's only genuinely paying customer.

Meanwhile, Mr Chavez has given PDVSA countless new tasks. "The new PDVSA is central to the social battle for the advance of our country," said Rafael Ramirez, the company's president and the minister for petroleum. "We have worked to convert PDVSA into a key element for the social battle."

The company now grows food after Mr Chavez's price controls emptied supermarket shelves of products like milk and eggs. Another branch produces furniture and domestic appliances in an effort to stem the flow of imports. What PDVSA seems unable to do is produce more oil.

Venezuela has proven reserves of 80 billion barrels, but estimates suggest that it may possess 142 billion barrels - more than anywhere else except Saudi Arabia....

All this means that Venezuela has missed much of the benefit from the oil boom and, now that prices are falling, Mr Chavez faces huge financial problems. Nobody is sure at what point his government would be unable to pay its bills, but most sources consulted believe this would probably happen if oil falls to $80 a barrel. Yesterday, oil was trading at $79.80.

414 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:09:51am

Interesting snippet of an article from the WSJ:

Despite recent declines, prices are still higher than they were a year ago. But the recriminations over what went wrong have begun, complete with calls for more government involvement, efforts to make the industry more transparent and reforms to restore market confidence....

"[the market] is out of control," says H. Djusdil Akrim, director of a factory in Makassar, Sulawesi's biggest city.... "It's a wild, wild market -- and no one is running it," he says. "I think we need more regulation."...

No one knows when the market will hit bottom. Some traders are sitting on stockpiles they bought when the market was hot, and if global growth slows further, as expected, demand could weaken.

Whatever happens, the latest volatility is a wake-up call for the ... industry, which has been growing steadily for years.


Any guesses as to which market is being discussed?


(It's seaweed!)

415 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:11:30am

re: #412 SixDegrees

Sorry to post this here, but:

1) You contact form doesn't work under IE6; the text entry boxes are invisible (although I can select them by clicking in the seemingly empty spaces they occupy and type in them) and once I've filled in the form, there is no "Submit" button or any other way to send the information anywhere.

2) This morning (10/21) I tried visiting the site through Firefox 3 running under Linux. I typed in the address, hit return, and the browser instantly crashed. I restarted, tried going straight to LGF, and it crashed again. I can get here through IE6 under Windows, but Firefox/Linux doesn't like something on your page.

First did you clear your cache and what size font are you using? Charles recently changed font size and it's made my pages look a bit wonky till I customized them

416 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:14:18am

re: #413 gmsc


Stop me if anyone thinks I'm throwing around the word schadenfreude too much.

417 SixDegrees  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:17:54am
Biden's statement is truly baffling on so many levels.

They're preparing the Administration's narrative for the next four years - "It's somebody else's fault!"

Biden, though, is probably right. Given the emerging alliance between Putin/Chavez/Ahmadeenajad, and the old Soviet penchant for staging unpleasant military manuevers during Christmas, anyone want to take bets on some sort of major military move on the part of one or all of these players during the holidays, just weeks away from the inauguration?

Obama's foreign policy is basically non-existent, and Biden's aware of this. He's looking to shift blame for the inevitable teleprompter crash in advance.

Look for similar preparations aimed at blaming continuing economic sluggishness on Republicans in the days to come.

418 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:21:28am

re: #417 SixDegrees

Right on so many levels. Rationalization, someone else did something bad so I shouldn't be held accoutable for what I have done even worse.

419 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:23:09am

re: #417 SixDegrees

Up late ... where you at Six?

420 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:48:08am

Okay, who killed it?

421 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:50:51am

Someone get the paddles.

422 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:52:48am

Here is some interesting reading:
Obama's Campaign built on lies (gee who would have thunk it?)

423 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:53:03am

Death by lurking....

424 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:54:26am

Fenway! :-)

Are we done sitting shiva yet?

425 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:55:08am

This thread must live (at least till I get off work in 2 hours).

426 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:57:36am

Chance of beheadings going up in Saudi Arabia- 100%

Saudi authorities have indicted 991 suspected militants on charges that they participated in terrorist attacks carried out in the kingdom over the last five years, the interior minister said Tuesday.

427 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:57:52am

Hey I'm still alive, unlike this thread.

428 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:58:09am

re: #426 Sharmuta

Chance of beheadings going up in Saudi Arabia- 100%

Bring the kids! It's fun for the whole family!

429 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:58:13am

re: #424 littleoldlady


All I know is the Red Sox took the easy way out of me wagering some lobster bisque on the outcome of the World Series.

430 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:59:03am

re: #352 gmsc

Fun discussion point:

What theme song would you choose . . .

. . . if McCain wins?

. . . if 0bama wins?

my nomination for Obanal's song

431 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

432 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:00:21am

re: #429 Fenway_Nation

Damn. :-/

433 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:00:47am

re: #431 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

and don't forget to enjoy the after effects! %-)

434 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:02:02am

re: #431 littleoldlady

Thanks, lol.

435 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:02:03am

Good morning!

436 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:02:23am

re: #433 redc1c4

You too, red. *hic*

437 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:03:25am

red! :-)

/*hick!*

Sharmuta! :-)

Matrix! :-)

empills! :-)

turn! :-)

LGF! :-)

/WalMart greeter mode off

438 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:03:44am

re: #432 littleoldlady


Tell me about it. I'm out one philly cheesesteak sandwich!

439 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:04:27am

re: #438 Fenway_Nation

Talloldman really wanted us to play against Boston.

440 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:07:12am

well, i think i'll let Matrix cover for me and hit the rack..... i was gonna go to bed early tonight, i swear i was! %-)


hasta, yall......

L8r!

441 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:07:36am

re: #431 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Hey this tastes just like Chinese fruit, oh wait ...

Watermelon is really big here, really sweet too.

Morning LOL

442 redc1c4  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:08:34am

re: #437 littleoldlady

red! :-)

/*hick!*


hey now! who you calling "hick"?

(does that mean i'm racist? %-)

443 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:09:13am

Dang, I missed fruit cup! I was on skype with a friend over in Thailand.

Regardless, thank you littleoldlady!

:-)

444 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:10:39am

re: #440 redc1c4

well, i think i'll let Matrix cover for me and hit the rack..... i was gonna go to bed early tonight, i swear i was! %-)


hasta, yall......

L8r!

I have homework that I haven't started, so I'll definitely be up.

445 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:11:17am

Intrepid! :-)

Plenty of fruitcup left.

re: #442 redc1c4

According John-f'ing-Murtha (h/t realwest), yes it does.

446 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:11:51am

re: #439 littleoldlady

Likewise. Last time it happened, it worked out pretty well for us.

447 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:12:03am

Leaving a college kid in charge of fruitcup...

/OY!

;-)

448 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:13:20am

Bachmann turns to overdrive

I said during the convention, this woman was one to watch. She's a tough conservative, and one that will hopefully continue to be an energetic voice for our side.

449 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:13:32am

re: #446 Fenway_Nation

That was then; this is now. ;-)

450 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:14:35am

re: #447 littleoldlady

Leaving a college kid in charge of fruitcup...

/OY!

;-)

Are you calling me a tiny country?!

451 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:15:03am

Go Phillies

452 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:20:09am

I am sorry i didn't mean to kill it.

453 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:20:30am

Go Patriots
Go Bruins
Go Celtics
Go BC Eagles
Go Minutemen

Go Red Sox
/ all the way to Ft. Meyers in 6 months

454 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:20:49am

re: #450 TheMatrix31

I'm saying, "WARNING, Will Robinson!"

455 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:21:17am

re: #451 empills

++UPDING!++ :-)

456 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:27:44am
457 odinga  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:33:15am

Fellow Lizards,

Warning: Video of a big black guy slamming a stunt double of Sarah to the ground. But it seems real.

It is not the least bit funny or entertaining. It will kind of make you sick. But it might get you mad enough so that you will not forget to Vote and tell everyone around you to vote McCain/Palin.

Not for Children or Adults either

458 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:43:21am

re: #456 Sharmuta

From your (his) lips to G-d's ears...

459 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:43:28am

re: #457 odinga

Fellow Lizards,

Warning: Video of a big black guy slamming a stunt double of Sarah to the ground. But it seems real.

It is not the least bit funny or entertaining. It will kind of make you sick. But it might get you mad enough so that you will not forget to Vote and tell everyone around you to vote McCain/Palin.

Not for Children or Adults either

That's just, stupid.

460 rightside  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:46:52am

Morning Lizards!

461 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:48:32am

rightside! :-)

462 rightside  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:51:52am

re: #461 littleoldlady

{lol}

First time I clicked "reply" I was kicked to the front page... Hamsters fed?

463 The Other Les  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:55:00am

DREAM, DREAM AWAY...

During the brief period in which I managed to get any sleep sleep I had a weird dream.

It was kind of a stream of consciousness movie that could be titled JAY AND SILENT BOB GO TO GUATEMALA. But in this film I'm in the role of Silent Bob and I'm constantly yelling at Jay to stop messing with things, get away from potentially dangerous things like a massive steam locomotive (i could actually feel the heat radiating from it), and to stop bothering those soldiers.

It would be more accurate to call it JAY AND THE OTHER LES GO TO GUATEMALA.

I have to get ready for work. We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality.

464 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:58:19am

Oh... NO! Lizards stolen!

Unusual lizards taken in smash and grab worth thousands
5:33PM Tuesday Oct 21, 2008
The New Zealand Herald
[Link: us.lrd.yahoo.com...]

Four unusual lizards stolen in a smash-and-grab at Hamilton Zoo could be destined for the black market, a specialist says.

Thieves on Friday night cut through three sets of chained and padlocked doors , then into an enclosure near the zoo entrance.

They smashed a glass panel and grabbed a pair of Madagascan day geckos. They also took a pair of bearded dragons - on loan from a private collector.

They tried to get into the tuatara cage.

The Madagascan day gecko - a striking lime green colour - could be worth thousands of dollars on the black market, the Waikato Times learned.

New Zealand Herpetological Society national committee member David Wilkinson believed it likely the lizards were stolen to be sold on the black market.

The bearded dragons could be worth up to $500 each, but the Madagascan day geckos were particularly rare and valuable, he said.

"The day gecko is very rare in New Zealand, certainly worth thousands of dollars."

465 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:04:34am

re: #463 The Other Les

Hmmm... I know a sympathetic doctor you can talk to about these strange dreams... ;)

466 Kenneth  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:06:14am

re: #457 odinga

Unbelievable... and if the reverse of that video were made, a white man beating up on Obama? It would be frontpage news for a week.

467 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:07:07am

re: #464 LynnfromNZ


"The day gecko is very rare in New Zealand, certainly worth thousands of dollars."

Ain't worth dick unless they hae a buyer already lined up.

Any update on the possible involvement of the GEICO Gecko? Was it a jailbreak?

468 Tamron  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:10:13am

re: #402 turn

The messiah couldn't deal with a crisis even if it was a friggin bbq fire in his own backyard.


Haven't you heard, they're installing some new high-tech teleprompters in his bedroom for the 3am phone calls, and a virtual reality helmet for when he's out cruising around.
.

469 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:25:22am

Mornin folks…Lol, Sharm, Fenway, empills, red, Kenneth, rightside, Matrix, Les, Lynn…all.

Paul at Powerline has an excellent analysis on the direction he see’s the One Shithead shaping and taking our domestic and foreign policy essentially right-out-of-the-gate: Obama’s Foreign Policy -- Carter’s Ends Through Clinton’s Means?

In as much the topic crosses into the area and crisis Biden foresees - I wouldn’t be a bit surprised were we to experience some form of a crisis but I’d also expect it would be extremely brief. Just long enough for the One Shithead to immediately begin dialogue and negotiations on our terms of surrender; the loss of our nation-state independence; the wholesale shredding of our Constitution and our complete subjugation to ‘international law’ under the powers of the UN.

...and yea the bastards have succeeded in making me paranoid. ;-)

470 tuesday  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:29:06am

re: #224 Oldasdirt

I suppose it depends on where you live. CA, liberal parts of WA, those kids are seriously entitled & have no idea it could be any other way.

471 rightside  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:31:02am

re: #469 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

morning, aboo-hoo-hoo

472 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:31:57am

re: #457 odinga

Fellow Lizards,

Warning: Video of a big black guy slamming a stunt double of Sarah to the ground. But it seems real.

It is not the least bit funny or entertaining. It will kind of make you sick. But it might get you mad enough so that you will not forget to Vote and tell everyone around you to vote McCain/Palin.

Not for Children or Adults either

Good Morning Lizards. Unbelievable video. If anybody did a video of Obama being touched in any way the screaming would be deafening.
Shouldn't Feminists be angry?

473 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:34:58am

Morning Lizards! I was listening to two coworkers talk who had been to a local Obama rally on Sunday. They kept saying things like "He's going to giving us money." "As soon as he gets in he is gonna be passing the money out." I wish I knew what 0bama had said to convey these ideas to the audience.

PS If he does win, will people show up for work on Nov. 5th?

474 rightside  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:38:12am

re: #472 opnion

No, because it was Sarah who got blind-sided. She's a conservative. Now, had Katie Couric been hit that way, you can be sure the entire country would be blaming that racist/sexist McCain!

475 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:38:13am

re: #473 NC State of Mind

Morning Lizards! I was listening to two coworkers talk who had been to a local Obama rally on Sunday. They kept saying things like "He's going to giving us money." "As soon as he gets in he is gonna be passing the money out." I wish I knew what 0bama had said to convey these ideas to the audience.

PS If he does win, will people show up for work on Nov. 5th?


Yesterday, a woman at work said that the Acorn Group is out stealing votes for McCain! I corrected her, but she insisted that they work for McCain.

476 empills  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:42:17am

Well I am getting ready to leave work so goodbye for now lizards.

477 rightside  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:43:51am

Bedtime here myself.

478 littleoldlady  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:45:20am

aboo oy oy! :-/

479 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:45:31am

re: #473 NC State of Mind

PS If he does win, will people show up for work on Nov. 5th?

Not me.

I'll be too busy packing and moving to the State of Hysteria.

480 yesandno  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:49:40am

Only problem I see here is that when he looses, he can then blame it on a white person.....

I do think that very fact that she is white is disturbing to Michelle...that is probably the source of his not getting along with his grandmother.

But I wish her well...and he should have already been there...not waiting more time if she is near death.

481 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:21am

re: #473 NC State of Mind

Morning Lizards! I was listening to two coworkers talk who had been to a local Obama rally on Sunday. They kept saying things like "He's going to giving us money." "As soon as he gets in he is gonna be passing the money out." I wish I knew what 0bama had said to convey these ideas to the audience.

PS If he does win, will people show up for work on Nov. 5th?


I'm guessing that he said something like "I'm gonna grab some serious coin fr5om Whitey & give it to ya."

482 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:40am

It is official,
Nancy Peloski is 100% Obama,

France is 64- 1 Obama.

The entire world is 4- 1 Obama.

Boy!
that will sure make me stop and think before I vote.

483 yesandno  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:16am

Re: Kerry's remark....

The scary line was about the Cable News people being stupid...hence all the more reason to take away their rights to be fair and balanced.

Fairness Doctrine is on the way.

484 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:31am

re: #481 opnion

You jest, but the sad part is he could say practically anything he wanted at his rallies and it might never be reported.

Imagine Sarah Palin say It's a three letter word JOBS J-O-B-S. There'd be no end to the ridicule.

485 yesandno  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:05am

re: #484 NC State of Mind

You jest, but the sad part is he could say practically anything he wanted at his rallies and it might never be reported.

Imagine Sarah Palin say It's a three letter word JOBS J-O-B-S. There'd be no end to the ridicule.


But then all they would report is that Sarah Palin uses 4-letter words in public.

486 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:01am

re: #483 yesandno

Re: Kerry's remark....

The scary line was about the Cable News people being stupid...hence all the more reason to take away their rights to be fair and balanced.

Fairness Doctrine is on the way.

I hope you have many non traceable sock puppets on LGF.

487 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:20am

re: #9 pat

I agree with Charles.

You do? Care to cite some quotable quotes there, genius?

488 akak  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:59am

2 page ballot, 3 hour wait & chad eating voting machine's in Broward county. lol

Hemer you're on deck.

489 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:34am

re: #25 pat

Are you done diggin' your hole yet? Boyyo, I can't wait to find out your fate on this thread - and I'm only to your second comment!

490 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:10am

"Egypt formally invites Nasrallah"

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Target of Opportunity I wonder?

491 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:51am

Afghan journalism student sentenced to 20 years

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Warms my heart that we are supporting such fine people?
/

492 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:03am

Good Morning LGF.
We'd all love to see the plan.

493 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:09am

re: #47 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Give hin a Barack-break - he has gills.

494 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:43am

re: #467 Fenway_Nation

no doubt. Just look for whoever bought a high-security terrarium recently.

495 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:23am

re: #491 nevergiveup

Prosecutors allege that Kambakhsh disrupted classes by asking questions about women's rights under Islam. They also said he distributed an article about Islam. A lower court sentenced him to death in a trial critics have called flawed.

Talk about an understatement.

496 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:00am

Good Morning.

Looks like the market may open a little lower, but LIBOR dropped a little more indicating a further easing of the credit markets.

497 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:03am
498 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:07am

re: #9 pat

I agree with Charles. It is a question of how screwed you can get. 2 BS candidates, both too stupid to tell the time of day without their wives. Neither can read stock tables, do basic math, or ever read a book cover to cover.

ha.

I hope you have some more sock puppets when the big lizard wakes up.


/where did pat go?

499 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:31am

Colon Paul has thrown his own Republican party under the bus in a way that must inspire envy in Obama, Biden and any others who have elevated the practice of backstabbing one's friends to an art form.
Way to go Colon, how does it feel to kiss Dem asses?

500 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:51am

IAEA chief: Iran not close to developing nuclear weapons

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

OR
US intelligence’s amended estimate, that Iran will be ready to build its first bomb just one month after the next US president is sworn in, is disclosed by DEBKAfile’s Washington sources as having been relayed as a guideline to the Middle East teams of both presidential candidates, Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.
The information prompted the assertion by Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph Biden in Seattle Sunday, Oct. 19: “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.”
DEBKAfile’s military sources cite the new US timeline: By late January, 2009, Iran will have accumulated enough low-grade enriched uranium (up to 5%) for its “break-out” to weapons grade (90%) material within a short time. For this, the Iranians have achieved the necessary technology. In February, they can move on to start building their first nuclear bomb.

You decide?

501 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:17am

Good Morning;
two weeks to go...I hope to see less of the hand-wringing and "Game over man, Game over!" that was going around on here last night...its a long uphill battle folks...no one said it would be easy.

Still wondering about Biden's statement...what in the world was he thinking?...We should gird our loins if Obama is elected?...this guy is an odd duck that's for sure...a heartbeat away?

502 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:37am

Abbas hints he might not leave office when his term ends

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Well he has done such a cracker jack job, why leave?

503 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:09am

Biden's comments have me significantly more frightened of an Obama Presidency than I was a few days ago.

On a side note, has anyone seen the story about the Arkansas anchor who played Ann Coulter in "W." getting attacked in her home? She is in critical condition after being beaten and stabbed. Hopefully she pulls through, and that this wasn't a 'politically' inspired attack.

504 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:30am

Kerry’s answer to the ‘boxers or briefs’ question: He goes commando and McCain would say ‘Depends’

[Link: www.politickerma.com...]

Hey McCain, ain't Kerry one of your good friends? I guess reaching across the isle isn't all it's cracked up to be?

505 BaseballMom57  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:34am

OT: 41 year old man with Down Syndrome was just awarded his Eagle Scout designation. Very cool.

Here...

506 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:38am

re: #501 alien_mind

Still wondering about Biden's statement...what in the world was he thinking?...We should gird our loins if Obama is elected?...this guy is an odd duck that's for sure...a heartbeat away?


I figure the Most Wonderful Depression since the Great Depression,
thats all Bambi talks about.

Gird your loins for some hard times bro.

/esp. rich small business owners.

507 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:42am

a good read by Thomas Sowell

"When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are people living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to find out the facts about candidates before voting to put the fate of this nation, and of generations yet to come, in the hands of someone chosen because they like his words or style."

508 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:36am

re: #506 ibmkeyboard

Gird your loins for some hard times bro.

/esp. rich small business owners.

Plus anyone with capital gains in any assets. The Democrats are going to "spread the wealth around", which means give handouts to their special interest groups.

509 nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:48am

I hate to link CNN, but not sure if everyone saw this:

"Soldier's adopted dog finally leaves Iraq for U.S."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Good for her and the dog.

510 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:53am

re: #9 pat

I agree with Charles. It is a question of how screwed you can get. 2 BS candidates, both too stupid to tell the time of day without their wives. Neither can read stock tables, do basic math, or ever read a book cover to cover.

Who are you talking about, Charles Manson?

511 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:44am

re: #507 alien_mind

I do not understand why the Pubs have not utilized Sowell more. Why does he never appear as a guest on Hannity and Colmes or any other show? My only guess is that he is too old to be out and about like that. Thomas Sowell has provided the most comprehensive and accurate analysis of Barack Obama compared to all other commentators, IMO.

Someone wrote an editorial to the local paper asking why it did not 'ban' Sowell's articles. They reasoned that since all his articles were against his policies they therefore were biased against him and they then therefore were untrue. I felt sorry for that person. What logic.

512 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:30am

re: #33 Gus 802

Kerry's comments were out of line and childish. One could say that Kerry is wearing diapers afterall.

Kerry should have his head in a pair of diapers to contain the nonsense spewed from his mouth.

513 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:36am

Now the financial sector layoffs are starting up:

National City has big loss, to cut 4,000 jobs


NEW YORK (Reuters) - National City Corp, the U.S. Midwest regional bank, posted its fifth straight quarterly loss on Tuesday, hurt by increased reserves for mortgage and real estate construction loan losses.

The Cleveland-based lender also plans to reduce 4,000 jobs, or 14 percent of its workforce, over three years to save $500 million to $600 million annually by 2011.

514 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:03am

re: #511 NC State of Mind

I do not understand why the Pubs have not utilized Sowell more. Why does he never appear as a guest on Hannity and Colmes or any other show?


good question, I don't know the answer. He sure has been a rock solid voice of reason over the years.

515 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:02:18am

re: #509 nevergiveup

I hate to link CNN, but not sure if everyone saw this:

"Soldier's adopted dog finally leaves Iraq for U.S."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Good for her and the dog.


That is great news! Thanks for telling us so we don't have to go to CNN (did you hear Glenn Beck is leaving CNN for FOX News?)

516 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:02:29am

good morning everyone, here is my unscientific survey of yard signs- i estimate that there are between 5 and 7 thousand homes on my paper route, i deliver to 450 of them, of the homes choosing to display yard signs the count is..
Mc Cain 24
Obama 11

now that is what i consider hope! going to see Sarah Palin in a couple hours,, night all,,, have a super lizard day!

517 akak  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:16am

Interior Ministry Google endorses Obama.

Interior Ministry Google owns your stuff.

/trends!


Schmidt will appear Tuesday with Obama in the tightly contested state of Florida to talk about the economy.
518 thedude  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:43am

an excellent site....
[Link: backyardconservative.blogspot.com...]

519 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:43am

so the google dude is now an expert on the economy?
re: #517 akak

Interior Ministry Google endorses Obama.

Interior Ministry Google owns your stuff.

/trends!

520 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:12am

Well, somebody's making out OK:

Merrill Lynch's Kraus to get hefty buyout: report

(Reuters) - A top executive at Merrill Lynch & Co Inc, which last month accepted a takeover offer from Bank of America Corp, is likely to leave with more than $10 million in compensation, people familiar with the situation told the Wall Street Journal.

Merrill's strategy head and former Goldman Sachs executive, Peter Kraus, will not be included in a broader announcement, expected as soon as this week, that top executives are staying once the purchase is completed by year-end, sources told the paper.

As a result of the takeover, terms of Kraus's contract have changed and will trigger an exit payment, the Journal said. Sources told the paper that Kraus was owed this money and would have collected it eventually even if he was staying with bank, and would now leave with as much as $25 million.

Kraus will also not be affected by a provision in the government's rescue plan that curbs executive compensation, sources told the Journal.

Those restrictions cover the chief executive officer, chief financial officer and three other highest-paid executives of the firm, the paper said.

I'm sure that Bill O"Reilly, who owned several thousand shares of Merrill Lynch, will be thrilled over this one.

521 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:33am

What I'm worried about this whole Obama thing is that critics of him talk about how he's not experienced for current times and crises.

That's a problem because that's implying that he can GAIN necessary experience and run later.

The man is NOT ONLY inexperienced, he is forever UNQUALIFIED to run for or become President of the United States.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:09am

re: #513 3 wood

Mornin' Wood! How's you doin?

523 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:19am

re: #520 3 wood

The rich just get richer, what's new? Like O'Reilly has something to bitch about. He'll whore himself out for ratings anyway.

524 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:59am

Job choice 'affects Alzheimer's'

Going to university, then choosing a mentally demanding job may help protect the brain from the devastating impact of Alzheimer's disease on memory.

Scientists compared people with the same degree of memory loss, and found those with this background had significantly more brain damage.

Mentally tough work, or genes which help people achieve such careers, may help the brain compensate for disease.

You know, I have always suspected that those in the MSM are brain damaged.

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:07am

O'Reilly has promised to make these people famous. I'm guessing the ones who he personally got burned by, might get a bit...uh...extra famous?

526 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:40am

I still have questions:

Why did the Annenberg fund give 100 million dollars to Bill Ayers? I Annenberg was a friend of Reagan's and his wife is supporting John McCain - then how did this massive transfer of wealth happen?

Did Ayers LIE on the grant application?

Did Ayers lie on the progress reports to the Annenberg fund?

Something stinks - like Obama's plane - about this!

ALSO

Why haven't Ayers tax returns been made public? How does the press get it's hands on tax returns?

527 3 wood  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:40am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'Morning Veg, Hi turn.

528 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:21am

re: #523 turn

primf turn

529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:36am

re: #523 turn

The rich just get richer, what's new? Like O'Reilly has something to bitch about. He'll whore himself out for ratings anyway.

I'd whore myself out for ratings too. I find nothing wrong with that. Unapologetic O'Reilly fan here.

530 imtoast  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:06am

re: #29 Spellcheck

I was just getting ready to post that, after reading some of the comments on the HCForum.

The Honolulu Advertiser had this on their website today - no mention of Obama's grandma being ill or in the hospital, until the later article came out about his upcoming visit.

If she is really ill, I wish her the best. Obama has proven to be such a calculating liar that it's hard to believe anything he says.

It seems that everyone in that article speaks more highly of Bambi's grandma than Bambi does. Though her politically leanings make me want to heave, it sounds like she was a stable, hardworking and kind person. Bambi has some serious, serious issues. I can't imagine not taking care of my grandma and spending one hour with her after not seeing her for ages is a real indication of who Bambi is.

531 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:04am

re: #521 TheMatrix31

What I'm worried about this whole Obama thing is that critics of him talk about how he's not experienced for current times and crises.

That's a problem because that's implying that he can GAIN necessary experience and run later.

The man is NOT ONLY inexperienced, he is forever UNQUALIFIED to run for or become President of the United States.

That is logic itself. I am very reticent about questioning the patriotism of anybody. Disagreeing with me is not some proof statement.
I have only really doubted a presidential candidates national loyalty twice, first was John Kerry & now most certainly Obama.

532 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:44am

re: #527 3 wood

Hey 3w

Give me some good news ...

533 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:40am

re: #527 3 wood

Night here, 8:21 PM

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:43am
535 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:19:10am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd whore myself out for ratings too. I find nothing wrong with that. Unapologetic O'Reilly fan here.

Last night his producer got in the face of the discredited AFrican-American CEO of Merrill who walked away with 100 million dollars and the company broke.

The O-bots would say it is racist to point this out. But what if it points to a larger pattern of the MSM being too cowardly to hold AA Democrats accountable for their behavior?

536 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:20:01am

re: #531 opnion

That is logic itself. I am very reticent about questioning the patriotism of anybody. Disagreeing with me is not some proof statement.
I have only really doubted a presidential candidates national loyalty twice, first was John Kerry & now most certainly Obama.

It's just a horrible misconception. Obama will NEVER be ready to lead this country, because his past will not allow him to be. I'm afraid that even if he were to lose this year, he's adamant enough and his supporters are adamant enough to get him elected at SOME point in the future, especially considering he's only in his mid-to-late 40s.

537 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:20:37am

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

538 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:21:14am

re: #536 TheMatrix31

It's just a horrible misconception. Obama will NEVER be ready to lead this country, because his past will not allow him to be. I'm afraid that even if he were to lose this year, he's adamant enough and his supporters are adamant enough to get him elected at SOME point in the future, especially considering he's only in his mid-to-late 40s.

He'd have to win another primary - with Hillary getting so many of the votes, I don't know if he could do that.

539 reags  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:21:15am

I am Joe
I am Tito
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
( I also may be posting old links, and if so, for that I apologize)

540 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:21:45am

re: #536 TheMatrix31

It's just a horrible misconception. Obama will NEVER be ready to lead this country, because his past will not allow him to be. I'm afraid that even if he were to lose this year, he's adamant enough and his supporters are adamant enough to get him elected at SOME point in the future, especially considering he's only in his mid-to-late 40s.

I agree with that. Obama personifies a cause & the cause is not pretty.

541 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:22:15am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd whore myself out for ratings too. I find nothing wrong with that. Unapologetic O'Reilly fan here.

Hey FBV, I like o too, He get's a lttle overbearing at times, you know playing the save the folks shit. There is some underlying problem here. He has the biggest axe to grind, I think he must have been abused as a child. Hence his big support for the children. No kidding.

542 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:22:25am

McCain is up by 1 in Ohio and leading in Florida.- trending McCain.

I think that completely obnoxious video of obama showing CONTEMPT for plumbers is having an effect - also the press crucifying Joe the Plumber.

543 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:22:29am

re: #526 DistantThunder

I still have questions:

Why did the Annenberg fund give 100 million dollars to Bill Ayers? I Annenberg was a friend of Reagan's and his wife is supporting John McCain - then how did this massive transfer of wealth happen?

Did Ayers LIE on the grant application?

Did Ayers lie on the progress reports to the Annenberg fund?

Something stinks - like Obama's plane - about this!

ALSO

Why haven't Ayers tax returns been made public? How does the press get it's hands on tax returns?

Annenberg is just the philanthropic spigot, and the money flows freely. He doesn't personally make the choices as to where the money goes. As for how did Ayers get the money? Ayers 'reform' isn't revolutionary (well, yeah it is revolutionary, but..) in the scope of mainstream school 'reform' in the US.

In some states it is actually hard to get a job as a teacher if you aren't a chompskyite anti-American or a communist, or are willing to lie about being one, the other or both. He wouldn't have to lie about his political views, and what he intended to do with the money to get a grant. Those entrusted to see that the money is spent well likely share Ayers views on some level.

As for how the press gets their hands on tax returns, they have to be released by Ayers himself, which is not likely to happen.

544 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:23:39am

G'devening, Reptilia!

Posted another link related to the Sony Game Recall from downthreads. Apparently the artist (from Mali, in Africa) who made the song doesn't find what he did particularly offensive.

/weird how things work out...

545 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:23:43am

ZOMBIE:

Your awesome find of Barry's review of Bill Ayers' book was mentioned on the Dennis & Callahan radio show here in Boston this morning! It's the #1 rated sports radio show in the USA and they mentioned your blog by name so get ready for an avalanche.

NICE WORK!

546 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:24:50am

re: #543 Scion9

Annenberg is just the philanthropic spigot, and the money flows freely. He doesn't personally make the choices as to where the money goes. As for how did Ayers get the money? Ayers 'reform' isn't revolutionary (well, yeah it is revolutionary, but..) in the scope of mainstream school 'reform' in the US.

In some states it is actually hard to get a job as a teacher if you aren't a chompskyite anti-American or a communist, or are willing to lie about being one, the other or both. He wouldn't have to lie about his political views, and what he intended to do with the money to get a grant. Those entrusted to see that the money is spent well likely share Ayers views on some level.

As for how the press gets their hands on tax returns, they have to be released by Ayers himself, which is not likely to happen.

Well Joe the plumber didn't release his tax statements and the press reproted that he made $40,000 last year. They also found his property taxes

547 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:25:11am

re: #535 DistantThunder

Last night his producer got in the face of the discredited AFrican-American CEO of Merrill who walked away with 100 million dollars and the company broke.

The O-bots would say it is racist to point this out. But what if it points to a larger pattern of the MSM being too cowardly to hold AA Democrats accountable for their behavior?

I love his producer, the young guy. What's his name .. at any rate the turnwife couldn't believe he was O's producer when I pointed it out. Rich something?

548 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:26:11am

re: #546 DistantThunder

Well Joe the plumber didn't release his tax statements and the press reproted that he made $40,000 last year. They also found his property taxes

Perhaps I am mistaken on the law then.

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:27:02am

re: #541 turn

I dunno. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Perhaps he feels that he appreciates his success and can give back. I'll go with that one.

550 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:28:10am

re: #548 Scion9

Perhaps I am mistaken on the law then.

You guys talking about Biden? If not I'm out of the loop on this ... the plumber?

551 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:29:11am

Here is the link to the Annenburg Foundation

Established in 1989 by Walter H. Annenberg, the Annenberg Foundation provides funding and support to nonprofit organizations in the United States and globally through its headquarters in Radnor, Pennsylvania and offices in Los Angeles, California. Its major program areas are education and youth development; arts, culture and humanities; civic and community; health and human services; and animal services and the environment. In addition, the Foundation operates a number of initiatives which expand and complement these program areas. The Annenberg Foundation exists to advance the public well-being through improved communication. As the principal means of achieving this goal, the Foundation encourages the development of more effective ways to share ideas and knowledge.

Mission statement:

The Annenberg Foundation is the successor corporation to the Annenberg School at Radnor, Pennsylvania established in 1958 by Walter H. Annenberg. It exists to advance the public well-being through improved communication. As the principal means of achieving its goal, the Foundation encourages the development of more effective ways to share ideas and knowledge.


Also has a bio of Annenberg

552 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:30:50am

re: #550 turn

You guys talking about Biden? If not I'm out of the loop on this ... the plumber?

Yeah - the press somehow discovered that he made $40,000 last year - plus were able to see that he had a tax lien on his property. He said they don't send statements so he didn't know - says he'll have to make payments over several months to pay off the $1200.

553 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:31:02am

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have no doubts the guy is honest and genuine, only in his own mindset. Fair and balanced I'll give you that at least.

554 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:31:04am

re: #541 turn

Hey FBV, I like o too, He get's a lttle overbearing at times, you know playing the save the folks shit. There is some underlying problem here. He has the biggest axe to grind, I think he must have been abused as a child. Hence his big support for the children. No kidding.

O'Reilly is in his early 80s. When his political views were being formed as a young man, populist rabble-rousing was a bigger part of politics than it has been in the past several decades. O'Reilly probably doesn't have much in common with either major political party.

555 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:32:47am

re: #554 Scion9

O'Reilly is in his early 80s. When his political views were being formed as a young man, populist rabble-rousing was a bigger part of politics than it has been in the past several decades. O'Reilly probably doesn't have much in common with either major political party.

He's NOT in his 80's - that' s nuts - he grew up in post WWII leavittown. That would make him my dad's age or younger - mid 60's.

556 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:32:48am

re: #536 TheMatrix31

It's just a horrible misconception. Obama will NEVER be ready to lead this country, because his past will not allow him to be. I'm afraid that even if he were to lose this year, he's adamant enough and his supporters are adamant enough to get him elected at SOME point in the future, especially considering he's only in his mid-to-late 40s.


I think that times have changed, and you only get one shot at the presidency. I don't think its like Nixon where the third time was the charm. He certainly may try again in four years, but in addition to him gaining experience there will also be time to flesh out and expose his shady past. I think this is his one and only shot. His best shot is getting in quickly before everyone catches on. The more time that goes by, his aura of being a great leader (blech) will have evaporated. What would he do in the meantime? go back in the Senate and be a non factor?

557 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:33:06am
558 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:33:10am

re: #552 DistantThunder

Shit, O will give him a few mil to pay it off, ha. There is going to be a lot of kids angry about loosing their lunch money after this election.

559 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:34:34am

re: #542 DistantThunder

McCain is up by 1 in Ohio and leading in Florida.- trending McCain.

I think that completely obnoxious video of obama showing CONTEMPT for plumbers is having an effect - also the press crucifying Joe the Plumber.

I saw that footage yesterday and was disgusted by the obvious look of contempt and derision on Obama's face as he talked down to his crowd about "McCain thinks he's fighting for a plumber" (quote probably not exact). It seems to be unthinkable to Obama that McCain (or anyone) would be fighting for the ordinary man on the street. That exchange was another eye opening look into the soulless nature of the man who would be king.

560 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:35:24am

Oreilley - born Sept 10, 1949

561 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:36:05am

Good morning Lizards........

562 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:36:49am

re: #554 Scion9

Great insight, thaks S. BTW, what's scion?

563 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:37:07am

re: #561 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards........


Good Morning Dorian...Sipping my first cup of coffee..need some?

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:37:15am

re: #556 alien_mind

I believe this is O'bama's only shot. Period. If many Democrats keep their promises and there is perceived race based "rioting in the streets" with an O'bama loss; Americans will be terrified to nominate an African American for office of a long long time.

565 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:38:11am

re: #559 gonecamping

I saw that footage yesterday and was disgusted by the obvious look of contempt and derision on Obama's face as he talked down to his crowd about "McCain thinks he's fighting for a plumber" (quote probably not exact). It seems to be unthinkable to Obama that McCain (or anyone) would be fighting for the ordinary man on the street. That exchange was another eye opening look into the soulless nature of the man who would be king.

"So this is who McCain is fighting for..a plumber." Then he sneers with contempt. A construction worker got in the face of reporters at a McCaiN rally - and chewed them out for beating up on Joe. he said:

I was born in Columbia - but I was made in the USA - brought tears to my eyes.
Brought his passport, and his construction license and everything - he was furious!

566 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:38:15am

re: #555 DistantThunder

Hey DT, he can't be in his 60's but then again he's not in his 80's either .. I'll check this out

567 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:38:25am

re: #563 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian...Sipping my first cup of coffee..need some?

/best curly Joe imitation Why certainly.....

568 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:38:31am

re: #555 DistantThunder

He's NOT in his 80's - that' s nuts - he grew up in post WWII leavittown. That would make him my dad's age or younger - mid 60's.

He's 59. That 80 was a typo. It was supposed to be 'in his 60's' which is still wrong, but the rest of my comment stands. He was a young man in the days of Civil Rights movement, which was the largest populist uprising in the modern history of the country.

569 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:38:50am

re: #561 doriangrey

GM dg

570 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:39:00am

Let's hope he's one campaign-and-done then.

571 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:39:34am

re: #541 turn

Hey FBV, I like o too, He get's a lttle overbearing at times, you know playing the save the folks shit. There is some underlying problem here. He has the biggest axe to grind, I think he must have been abused as a child. Hence his big support for the children. No kidding.

To me O'Reilly just comes across as an egotistical gasbag.
That 'lookin out for ther folks" gets very condensending.
He plays that independent stulffad nauseum.
Last night he was talking about why does not fear thugs. The reason, he claims to be the chief thug. Then he pulled a Beckle,' I played semi pro ball"
Well he and I have that in common, neither one of us was talented enough to be a pro.

572 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:39:43am

re: #561 doriangrey

Evenin' Dorian.

573 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:40:45am

re: #569 turn

GM dg

Good morning turn...

re: #572 laZardo

Evenin' Dorian.

Evening laZardo.... ;)

574 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:41:17am

re: #571 opnion

To me O'Reilly just comes across as an egotistical gasbag.
That 'lookin out for ther folks" gets very condensending.
He plays that independent stulffad nauseum.
Last night he was talking about why does not fear thugs. The reason, he claims to be the chief thug. Then he pulled a Beckle,' I played semi pro ball"
Well he and I have that in common, neither one of us was talented enough to be a pro.

I wonder what sports he played at Harvard..

575 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:42:08am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O%27Reilly_(comm entator)

1949-2008=59? No way, what's the matter with my math?

576 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:43:16am

re: #571 opnion

I'm like FBV, I love O'Rielly. For me though, when he always tries to act like he is perfectly down the center in absolutely every situation is ten times as annoying as his arrogance.

Last week when he went on a tirade against Obama's economic policies then said he didn't fear him because he tells the truth was just weird.

577 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:43:24am

re: #574 HoosierHoops

I wonder what sports he played at Harvard..


He probably played something. I don't doubt that the guy was a pretty good athlete, it is just that to me he is too full of himself.

578 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:43:46am

re: #575 turn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O%27Re illy_(commentator)

1949-2008=59? No way, what's the matter with my math?

Well with your math, he'd be -59.

579 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:44:03am

O'reilly is an alpha male that takes on these corrupt judges that release pedophile - and state pols that refuse to pass Megan's law etc.

He did fabulous work with the REd Cross fiasco after 911. He alone was suspicious about all that money coming in -and how typical it is for organizations to mismanage that amount of donations - and he was right.

He was a crusader up against a massive institution - the REd Cross - and got them to blink.

Fighting corruption is very hard, very dangerous - because these people come after the whistleblowers - his style is bombastic, but he has wisdom to see through the BS.

580 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:45:03am

re: #571 opnion

That being said, I wouldn't want to go up against him in some dark alley. I bet he can kick some ass.

581 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:45:20am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe this is O'bama's only shot. Period. If many Democrats keep their promises and there is perceived race based "rioting in the streets" with an O'bama loss; Americans will be terrified to nominate an African American for office of a long long time.

if he loses he'll be kicked to the curb, you won't see him again.
also, i would expect an Obama loss to be followed by a justice department investigation of Acorn that will fully expose that whole fraud.

582 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:46:44am

re: #520 3 wood

Sources told the paper that Kraus was owed this money and would have collected it eventually even if he was staying with bank, and would now leave with as much as $25 million.


After they fold he can open his own bank.

583 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:47:09am

re: #576 NC State of Mind

? for those beer impaired

584 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:47:40am

re: #578 Scion9


hahah

585 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:47:56am

re: #577 opnion

He probably played something. I don't doubt that the guy was a pretty good athlete, it is just that to me he is too full of himself.

You know why you never see Bill standing up on his show? Because the man is huge, he's like 6 foot 7 or something. He makes everyone around him look small. It makes him even more intimidating than his personality.

586 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:48:50am

re: #565 DistantThunder

That sneer on Obama's face was what really set me off. That SOB will hold me and all Americans who work for a living in contempt while he takes money from us to hand out to the Lazy, Idle, Underachievers that he hopes to enslave with a dependence on government handouts.

He is not offering HOPE, what Obama offers is a quashing of ambition and drive...he tells 'his' followers that they will never succeed unless he spreads the wealth. IMHO, those are the words of someone with no confidence or respect for his fellow man.

587 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:50:14am

re: #579 DistantThunder

ok, I agree. Only comment .. how many undeserving people got handed out checks in the middle of the streets because of that?

588 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:50:52am

Good morning, Lizards.

589 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:51:10am

I think Biden really knows that Obama is a WIMP and a COWARD - and I have proof:

Obama is too afraid to release:

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. YourIllinoisState Senate records--'not available'

And all we know about his highschool years is that he wrote 'King Obama" in the wet cement at school, did drugs and hung out with the druggies, and got grades that were so poor his grandmother admitted she was afraid he wouldn't get into college.

I'm calling him out at a WIMP and a FRAUD and a COWARD - and I half expect the secret service to hunt down my IP address and show up at my door.

590 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:51:55am

re: #588 jorline

GM Jor

591 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:53:02am

re: #586 gonecamping

Yeah. Biden's comment about looking out for 'real' plumbers about made my head explode.

592 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #586 gonecamping

That sneer on Obama's face was what really set me off. That SOB will hold me and all Americans who work for a living in contempt while he takes money from us to hand out to the Lazy, Idle, Underachievers that he hopes to enslave with a dependence on government handouts.

he tells 'his' followers that they will never succeed unless he spreads the wealth. IMHO, those are the words of someone with no confidence or respect for his fellow man.
I like your nich-
gonecamping.

If he wins you better buy a big fucking tent!

593 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:53:53am

re: #589 DistantThunder

Qualifications=Unreleased

594 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:54:01am

Boston Globe puff piece of the day:

Arab-Americans yearning
Long for inclusion, change in Michigan city

Nuggets:

But many Arab-Americans are furious with Bush over the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, and what they see as ethnic profiling after Sept. 11. This year, the organizations are not endorsing candidates, and polls suggest Arab-Americans are favoring Democrat Barack Obama.

and

The last eight years have brought a new trauma for Arab-Americans - the aftermath of Sept. 11. Community officials say Arabs are targeted and profiled at airports and borders, and that the process for Arabs becoming American citizens is slower than for other immigrants.

"Our community is disproportionately investigated, and there is a selective enforcement and execution of our laws," said Nabih Ayad, a lawyer who works with the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Michigan

595 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:54:10am

And the crowd laughing along with Obama so derisively was nauseating - HAVE SOME RESPECT for the working stiff, people!

596 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:54:53am

re: #589 DistantThunder


Something tells me the Chicago Political Machine or the Obama Youth Brigade would be the ones knocking at the door.

597 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:06am

re: #583 turn

? for those beer impaired

Check this out about 3 minutes in.


598 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:18am

re: #595 DistantThunder

And the crowd laughing along with Obama so derisively was nauseating - HAVE SOME RESPECT for the working stiff, people!

He has zero respect for them unless they are voting for him.

599 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:23am

re: #591 Scion9

Yeah. Biden's comment about looking out for 'real' plumbers about made my head explode.

Oh... If that made your head explode I dont even want to guess what this will do....

600 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:27am

re: #586 gonecamping
well said

601 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:28am

re: #588 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

good Morning Jorline!
How is everything going today?

602 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:55:36am

Liberialism is showing their hand already.

Barney Frank: Plenty of rich people that we can tax

Notice how Barney thinks we should increase spending.

More taxes and more spending! What's new?

603 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:56:11am

re: #561 doriangrey

Morning Dorian!

604 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:56:36am

re: #590 turn

GM Jor

Good morning, turn. Hope you're well...how did your medical test turn out?

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:56:44am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe this is O'bama's only shot. Period. If many Democrats keep their promises and there is perceived race based "rioting in the streets" with an O'bama loss; Americans will be terrified to nominate an African American for office of a long long time.

And, by the way, I think it is a shame.

606 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:57:13am

re: #601 HoosierHoops

good Morning Jorline!
How is everything going today?

Hey, Hoopster. I'm well...thanks...and you?

607 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:57:22am

re: #592 ibmkeyboard

That sneer on Obama's face was what really set me off. That SOB will hold me and all Americans who work for a living in contempt while he takes money from us to hand out to the Lazy, Idle, Underachievers that he hopes to enslave with a dependence on government handouts.

he tells 'his' followers that they will never succeed unless he spreads the wealth. IMHO, those are the words of someone with no confidence or respect for his fellow man.
I like your nich-
gonecamping.

If he wins you better buy a big fucking tentgun!

/corrected .. that turn our right?

608 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:57:30am

re: #603 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Dorian!

Morning Vet....

609 Bloodnok  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:58:08am

re: #545 loppyd

ZOMBIE:

Your awesome find of Barry's review of Bill Ayers' book was mentioned on the Dennis & Callahan radio show here in Boston this morning! It's the #1 rated sports radio show in the USA and they mentioned your blog by name so get ready for an avalanche.

NICE WORK!

I heard that too! I was wondering if you were listening. Good for Zombie.

610 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:58:19am

re: #598 loppyd

He has zero respect for them unless they are voting for him.

Good morning, loppy.

I haven't seen you since the Palin rally, how was it?

611 Crusty  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:58:40am

re: #3 lummox

Tap, Tap, is this thing on?

If you tap it more than twice you're playing with it.

612 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:59:30am

re: #606 jorline

Hey, Hoopster. I'm well...thanks...and you?


I'm doing well..Hoping the eternal bottomless cup of coffee remains that way.. ( slurp) ahhhhhh!

613 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:59:46am

re: #602 jorline

Liberialism is showing their hand already.

Barney Frank: Plenty of rich people that we can tax

Notice how Barney thinks we should increase spending.

More taxes and more spending! What's new?

barney - you ignorant slut - rich people move their money off-shore and invest outside the US - they set up foundation etc so they don't have to pay your dopey unethical taxes! Captial moves where it is well treated.

614 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:09am

re: #612 HoosierHoops

I'm doing well..Hoping the eternal bottomless cup of coffee remains that way.. ( slurp) ahhhhhh!

I really have to get one of those things.................. ;)

615 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:12am

re: #610 jorline

Good morning, loppy.

I haven't seen you since the Palin rally, how was it?

In a word? AWESOME!

The energy, excitement and happy vibe was amazing! The place was electrified.

She is gorgeous - I mean stunning.

I shook the First Dude's hand!

I'm trying to clear up my schedule to go to a McCain rally in NH tomorrow morning.

616 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:24am

re: #607 turn

/corrected .. that turn our right?

I know you mean for self-protection....

617 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:32am

re: #613 DistantThunder

barney - you ignorant slut - rich people move their money off-shore and invest outside the US - they set up foundation etc so they don't have to pay your dopey unethical taxes! Captial moves where it is well treated.

amen

618 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:38am

re: #609 Bloodnok

I heard that too! I was wondering if you were listening. Good for Zombie.

Every morning, my friend.

619 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:00:51am

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe this is O'bama's only shot. Period. If many Democrats keep their promises and there is perceived race based "rioting in the streets" with an O'bama loss; Americans will be terrified to nominate an African American for office of a long long time.

And, by the way, I think it is a shame.

I agree.

There were many more qualified blacks that could have given their soul for America.

I cant believe this guy beat Hillary!

620 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:01:00am

re: #581 alien_mind

if he loses he'll be kicked to the curb, you won't see him again.
also, i would expect an Obama loss to be followed by a justice department investigation of Acorn that will fully expose that whole fraud.

How about a recount? q:

/

621 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:01:55am

re: #597 x-wing


Thanks X, I'll have to check that out later.. no sound on the PC for some reason

622 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:01:59am

re: #599 doriangrey

Oh... If that made your head explode I dont even want to guess what this will do....

Yeah, I saw that one yesterday. I don't even know how to interpret Biden's comments on that one. With Democrat's obsession with international acceptance it makes me sincerely worried about Israel, who I suspect the Dems would jump at sending up the river with cheers from Western Europe and the Middle East.

623 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:02:05am

My favorite sign at the Sarah Palin rally:

DEMOCRATIC WOMEN FOR McCAIN-PALIN

I took a pic. Will post.

624 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:02:23am

Um... Frank announces "forget about the debt, here comes big spending and higher taxes".

He wants Obama to lose?

Who knew?

625 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:02:29am

re: #555 DistantThunder

He's 59. Born in 1949. Younger than I am.

626 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:02:41am

re: #619 ibmkeyboard

I believe this is O'bama's only shot. Period. If many Democrats keep their promises and there is perceived race based "rioting in the streets" with an O'bama loss; Americans will be terrified to nominate an African American for office of a long long time.

And, by the way, I think it is a shame.

I agree.

There were many more qualified blacks that could have given their soul for America.

I cant believe this guy beat Hillary!

He beat Hillary the old fashioned Chicago way.... The Al Capone old fashioned Chicago way.....

627 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:02:53am

re: #615 loppyd

In a word? AWESOME!

The energy, excitement and happy vibe was amazing! The place was electrified.

She is gorgeous - I mean stunning.

I shook the First Dude's hand!

I'm trying to clear up my schedule to go to a McCain rally in NH tomorrow morning.

WOW...glad you had a great time and you got to touch the first dude...lol

I wish you luck on the McCain rally.

My state is a shoe-in for McCain...we haven't seen any candidates here.

628 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:03:10am

re: #625 Cap'n DOC

He's 59. Born in 1949. Younger than I am.

You don't look a day over 40.

:~)

629 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:03:29am

re: #604 jorline

Great Jor, at the moment I'm cancer free and Biejiu full, ha

630 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:04:02am

re: #591 Scion9
You mean that wind bag who pretended to hang out at Home Depot to rub shoulders with plumbers, carpenters and the average Joe?

I'm not a plumber, carpenter, or electrician...but I sure do respect their job and appreciate having a working toilet, AC, and running water.

631 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:04:14am

re: #629 turn

Great Jor, at the moment I'm cancer free and Biejiu full, ha

Glad to hear it...good to see you.

632 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:04:21am

re: #627 jorline

WOW...glad you had a great time and you got to touch the first dude...lol

I wish you luck on the McCain rally.

My state is a shoe-in for McCain...we haven't seen any candidates here.

Thanks!

The First Dude is smokin' hot. LOL

Barry had to come back to NH last week because it isn't looking so safe for him anymore.....

633 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:04:26am

re: #622 Scion9

Yeah, I saw that one yesterday. I don't even know how to interpret Biden's comments on that one. With Democrat's obsession with international acceptance it makes me sincerely worried about Israel, who I suspect the Dems would jump at sending up the river with cheers from Western Europe and the Middle East.

Do you have another link to that? For some reason Jawa isn't cooperating with my computer today.

634 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:05:07am

Good morning, everyone!

Dorian - here's your coffee!

And for the rest of us, just a nice cup.

635 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:05:39am

re: #633 x-wing

Do you have another link to that? For some reason Jawa isn't cooperating with my computer today.

Here's what it says....


October 20, 2008
Doom in Six Months(Gird your loins) Biden makes the mother of all gaffe's!

In a comment that will go down in political history as one of the BIGGEST Gaffe's ever uttered Senator Joe Biden said we will be attacked if we elect Barack Obama.....so brace yourselves.

Via ABC News

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Stunning in its stupidity....just freaking WOW!

636 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:05:41am

The Chia Pet has been shelved for the day.

Why has Biden taken a day off the trail?


According to campaign sources, Joe Biden has no events planned for today — despite the election being only two weeks away. What happened? Could Team Obama have pulled Slow Joe off the trail after telling people that Barack Obama’s election would provoke our enemies into a confrontation with us, and maybe more than one?
637 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:06:12am

re: #627 jorline

WOW...glad you had a great time and you got to touch the first dude...lol

I wish you luck on the McCain rally.

My state is a shoe-in for McCain...we haven't seen any candidates here.

Good morning, Jorline!

Same here - no candidate visits, and precious few ads. I heard couple of ads yesterday on local channels, and it was surprising - they were the first I had heard.

638 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:06:14am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

Good morning, everyone!

Dorian - here's your coffee!

And for the rest of us, just a nice cup.

Oh yea........................ thx...........

639 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:06:18am

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, by the way, I think it is a shame.

You know I think the hypocrisy in all of this is the guy is half white! Why do people dwell on his black half? This is reverse discrimination in it's worst.

640 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:06:37am

re: #633 x-wing

Do you have another link to that? For some reason Jawa isn't cooperating with my computer today.

It's the 'gird your loins' story.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

641 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:07:04am
DistantThunder

barney frank - you ignorant slut - rich people move their money off-shore and invest outside the US - they set up foundation etc so they don't have to pay your dopey unethical taxes! Capital moves where it is well treated.

OMG
farney brank before breakfast-

will take my blood pressure meds and eat a granola bar before I talk about that bastard.
I dreamed about my former job at AIG last night.

/later

642 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #632 loppyd

Thanks!

The First Dude is smokin' hot. LOL

Barry had to come back to NH last week because it isn't looking so safe for him anymore.....

LOL...I waiting for a cage tag team drudge match between Barry/Michelle verses Sarah/Todd.

643 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:07:47am

Well damn it, time to head off to work again. I could swear I went to work just yesterday..... Man I wish Obama would hurry up and win so I can quite going to work.... /s

644 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:07:57am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

Good morning, everyone!

Dorian - here's your coffee!

And for the rest of us, just a nice cup.

{REIGN}

I've missed you often when posting...glad to see you!

645 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:08:03am

re: #616 DistantThunder

There is a fine line, right DT?

646 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:08:21am

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Jorline!

Same here - no candidate visits, and precious few ads. I heard couple of ads yesterday on local channels, and it was surprising - they were the first I had heard.

Yeah... I have that same problem, too. No ads, no candidates.

Problem because I'm in Illinois... shoe in for BHO. Damnit.

647 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:09:07am

re: #635 doriangrey

Thanks dorian. That last paragraph should scare everybody shitless.

648 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:09:15am

re: #639 turn

You know I think the hypocrisy in all of this is the guy is half white! Why do people dwell on his black half? This is reverse discrimination in it's worst.


Good point. Same reason the majority of the people in the country are supporting him. They see nothing but the surface and don't bother to look at the substance. The surface of the skin is black, of his policies, red.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:09:42am

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Mornin' Toots!

650 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:09:59am

re: #615 loppyd

In a word? AWESOME!

The energy, excitement and happy vibe was amazing! The place was electrified.

She is gorgeous - I mean stunning.

I shook the First Dude's hand!

I'm trying to clear up my schedule to go to a McCain rally in NH tomorrow morning.

I am green with envy. Any of our candidates appearing here in the socialist collective Maryland would be a complete waste of time. But after we win, I'll see them on Pennsylvania Avenue in the inaugural parade. That's a promise.

651 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:10:12am

re: #644 jorline

{REIGN} {REINE}

I've missed you often when posting...glad to see you!

So excited to see you I PIMFed...lol

652 doriangrey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:10:17am

re: #646 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yeah... I have that same problem, too. No ads, no candidates.

Problem because I'm in Illinois... shoe in for BHO. Damnit.

Now wouldnt it be a riot if BO pulled a Al Gore and lost his own home state because he arrogantly assumed it was a given that he would win it....

653 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:10:18am

re: #628 loppyd

Yah, well - Sorry about your Sox. I've a cap - bought it mid-Summer 1995. At Fenway. I love Ball Parks. Sat behind the Bull Pen in Right Center. What a hoot. They were playin' the A's. Canseco played his Roidy self and blew an easy fly. Damn near caused a bench emptying brawl for all the mouths that were flapping after that. When that park is gone...

654 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:10:48am

re: #640 Scion9

Thanks Scion

655 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:10:54am

I've posted before here that we are on the crummy NJ State welfare insurance for our kids because NJ is one of a handful of Democrat controlled states that restricts access for insurance companies that will not pay for ALL pre-existing conditions.

We were not allowed By NJ to purchase our Alma Mater Insurance which is great health insurance -and the few companies that are ALLOWED by default are more expensive in NJ than they are in other states. No doubt in my mind that the insurance company has lobbyist in NJ to pressure lawmakers to restrict competition - and so they have.

Anyway, today my youngest is sick for the third time this year. A child is only allowed to miss school 3 times before he needs a doctor's note - so:

The public school....demands.....that I take ......my child......to the doctor for a head cold and a stomach ache.....so that they can "count it" as an excused absence. Parents notes don't count. It is a complete waste of time, money, and a doctor's visit who could be attending to a child that need medical attention.

The doctor's visit will be paid for by your tax money. Spreading the wealth.

Corrupt and incestuous doesn't even begin to explain this mess.

656 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:11:04am

re: #636 loppyd

The Chia Pet. LOL. Lovely.

657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:11:13am

re: #652 doriangrey

Now wouldnt it be a riot if BO pulled a Al Gore and lost his own home state because he arrogantly assumed it was a given that he would win it....

Won't work here... Tennessee follows voter laws, we don't.

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:11:33am

re: #652 doriangrey

Now wouldnt it be a riot if BO pulled a Al Gore and lost his own home state because he arrogantly assumed it was a given that he would win it....

Won't happen. He'll get 58 million votes in Chicago alone.

659 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:12:10am

re: #635 doriangrey


"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Stunning in its stupidity....just freaking WOW!


I cant wait for Acorn to try and register my grandsons for the Draft.

/you will be reading about that shit in the paper.

660 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:12:16am

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Jorline!

Same here - no candidate visits, and precious few ads. I heard couple of ads yesterday on local channels, and it was surprising - they were the first I had heard.

Wish I could say the same..oh and good morning reine...
There is an obama commercial on every couple of minutes...
I live in a small Indiana Town..Obama just opened an office here...
go figure..

661 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:12:37am

re: #644 jorline

{REIGN}

I've missed you often when posting...glad to see you!

Good to see you too.

I took a part-time paid job, and it has been interfering with my life. When it's done, I won't be doing it again. Don't need it, and I'm not as bored as I thought I was.

I can't find a link for this . . . but in my local paper, there is a story about ACORN in New Orleans. Apparently, Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade, embezzled $948,000 from New Orleans ACORN and "affililiated charitable organizations".

ACORN is dropping its suit against Dale, because he has agreed to repay, and because the suit is "a distraction from responding to Republican right-wing attacks over ACORN's voter registration".

Wade Rathke has taken the position that reporting this case to law enforcement would have left the group at risk of financial ruin. duh.

wish I could find a link.

662 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:13:01am

re: #660 HoosierHoops

I'm watching CNN International and the "title cards" for their Heroes segments look curiously like an Obama poster...

663 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:13:23am

re: #658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

58 million registered voters - in Chicago? Who knew? How many cemeteries?

664 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:13:26am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Toots!

Morning, Chubs!

How's it going?

665 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:13:57am

re: #663 Cap'n DOC

58 million registered voters - in Chicago? Who knew? How many cemeteries?

One corpse... many votes.

666 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:14:01am

re: #653 Cap'n DOC

Thanks - it's really ok. They were a very beat up team and I was happy they got as far as they did....

Fenway is a magical place....nothing like it in the world!

667 Glackinspeil  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:14:10am

re: #659 ibmkeyboard

I have been hearing many more Selective Service ads on radio lately.

668 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:14:22am

re: #660 HoosierHoops

Wish I could say the same..oh and good morning reine...
There is an obama commercial on every couple of minutes...
I live in a small Indiana Town..Obama just opened an office here...
go figure..

Morning, HH.

Well, I go to youtube and get to see some ads.

guess they're spending their money in states where the polls show people are still undecided.

669 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:14:38am

re: #656 Cap'n DOC

The Chia Pet. LOL. Lovely.

If I ever get my blog up and running the BF has a great photo shop ready to go.

670 loppyd  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:05am

Off to post office, bank, etc.

BBL

671 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:06am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

Hey r, the turnwife is looking over my shoulder right now and asks how do you say your nic, rain-d'too?

672 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:29am

re: #636 loppyd

The Chia Pet has been shelved for the day.

Why has Biden taken a day off the trail?

Given the campaign he's working for, it might be any of the following: 1) Re-education; 2) A period of self-criticism, followed by execution organ harvesting for the greater good of the State; 3) Detox.

673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:34am
674 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:38am

re: #661 reine.de.tout

Good to see you too.

I took a part-time paid job, and it has been interfering with my life. When it's done, I won't be doing it again. Don't need it, and I'm not as bored as I thought I was.

I can't find a link for this . . . but in my local paper, there is a story about ACORN in New Orleans. Apparently, Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade, embezzled $948,000 from New Orleans ACORN and "affililiated charitable organizations".

ACORN is dropping its suit against Dale, because he has agreed to repay, and because the suit is "a distraction from responding to Republican right-wing attacks over ACORN's voter registration".

Wade Rathke has taken the position that reporting this case to law enforcement would have left the group at risk of financial ruin. duh.

wish I could find a link.

Wade is a former SDS member - and you know he formed ACORN - in Little Rock. David Horowitz has been telling us for years that we have to connect the dots between these organizations.

675 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #671 turn

Hey r, the turnwife is looking over my shoulder right now and asks how do you say your nic, rain-d'too?

wren - duh - toot

676 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:16:02am

re: #632 loppyd

Thanks!

The First Dude is smokin' hot. LOL

Barry had to come back to NH last week because it isn't looking so safe for him anymore.....


WHAT! The press keeps telling me the election is over and Barry O has won. Could the cheerleaders be feeding me misinformation (and I thought Pravda was in the USSR....looks like they moved over here)?
Do the top secret polls reveal some unsettling information?

The scramble to stump in areas considered locked up by Obama is telling. The facade is cracking and I sincerely hope that the people are watching and see the deception that has been weaved by the MSM and the Obama campaign (was that redundant?).

If you look at the papers, it may look bleak, but what counts is the real vote on 11/4. We need to exercise our right to vote, and exercise the dead voters from the voting database.

677 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:16:13am

re: #661 reine.de.tout

Good to see you too.

I took a part-time paid job, and it has been interfering with my life. When it's done, I won't be doing it again. Don't need it, and I'm not as bored as I thought I was.

I can't find a link for this . . . but in my local paper, there is a story about ACORN in New Orleans. Apparently, Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade, embezzled $948,000 from New Orleans ACORN and "affililiated charitable organizations".

ACORN is dropping its suit against Dale, because he has agreed to repay, and because the suit is "a distraction from responding to Republican right-wing attacks over ACORN's voter registration".

Wade Rathke has taken the position that reporting this case to law enforcement would have left the group at risk of financial ruin. duh.

wish I could find a link.

Would love to see that link...nothing in the MSM...surprise!

678 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:16:46am

Oh, my G-d - I'll bet Biden is insinuatating that they will reinstitute the draft.

What do you bet!?

679 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:16:47am

re: #677 jorline

Would love to see that link...nothing in the MSM...surprise!

It's an AP story, but I couldn't find it at AP.

680 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:16:52am

re: #669 loppyd

If I ever get my blog up and running the BF has a great photo shop ready to go.


{Loppyd}
You need that blog running so we can see pics of your wedding..

681 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:18:13am

re: #648 NC State of Mind

ha, right on

682 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:18:51am

re: #672 Pullus Iulius

4) The bus is right outside his house and he's scared to go outside...

683 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:19:05am

re: #663 Cap'n DOC

58 million registered voters - in Chicago? Who knew? How many cemeteries?

FNC is reporting serious problems, possibly massive voter fraud in Ohio.

/how can this be happening>

//////

684 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:19:07am

re: #639 turn

You know I think the hypocrisy in all of this is the guy is half white! Why do people dwell on his black half? This is reverse discrimination in it's worst.

He has identified himself with his black half in thought, word and deed. That's why its the half we dwell on.

685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:19:16am

re: #676 gonecamping

WHAT! The press keeps telling me the election is over and Barry O has won. Could the cheerleaders be feeding me misinformation (and I thought Pravda was in the USSR....looks like they moved over here)?
Do the top secret polls reveal some unsettling information?

The scramble to stump in areas considered locked up by Obama is telling. The facade is cracking and I sincerely hope that the people are watching and see the deception that has been weaved by the MSM and the Obama campaign (was that redundant?).

If you look at the papers, it may look bleak, but what counts is the real vote on 11/4. We need to exercise our right to vote, and exercise the dead voters from the voting database.

You are seeingh what the internal polls say. Those numbers are very different from what the public propaganda polls look like.

For example, according to RCP, NH is +10 Obama, yet Obama takes time in the last two weeks of the election to have a rally there.

Moral: NH isn't +10 Obama.

686 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:19:29am

Check out the Wiki on good old Wade


This is what we saw with the clintons - a whole pack of criminals.

Rathke is also founder and Chief Organizer of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 100, which is headquartered in New Orleans with operations in Arkansas, Texas, and Louisiana. Founded in 1980 in New Orleans as an independent union of Hyatt employees, the union became part of SEIU in 1984. SEIU Local 100 organizes public sector public workers, including school employees, Head Start, and health care workers, as well as lower wage private sector workers in the hospitality, janitorial, and other service industries.
His work in the labor movement includes three terms as Secretary-Treasurer of the Greater New Orleans AFL-CIO. Rathke is the president and co-founder of the SEIU Southern Conference; a member of the International Executive Board of SEIU; and Chief Organizer of the Hotel and Restaurant Organizing Committee (HOTROC) a multi-union organizing project for hospitality workers in New Orleans sponsored by the AFL-CIO and its president, John Sweeney.
687 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:19:44am

re: #678 DistantThunder

Oh, my G-d - I'll bet Biden is insinuatating that they will reinstitute the draft.

What do you bet!?

But I thought the Democrats were anti-War, and Republicans were warmongers? I mean, the history of the Democrat party is one of peace-seeking and pacifism right?

688 jorline  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #679 reine.de.tout

It's an AP story, but I couldn't find it at AP.

They dumped it in the nearest bayou.

689 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #683 x-wing

FNC is reporting serious problems, possibly massive voter fraud in Ohio.

/how can this be happening>

//////

We bussed our dead people there during the one-stop register/vote period no questions asked.

Ohio is screwed.

690 NC State of Mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:21:04am

re: #683 x-wing

FNC is reporting serious problems, possibly massive voter fraud in Ohio.

/how can this be happening>

//////

It's only fair...you guys did it in 2000.

/Moonbat

691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:21:28am

re: #685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

First, thank you for your service. Second, I love your posts. Third, how the hell do you type?

692 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:21:32am

re: #688 jorline

They dumped it in the nearest bayou.

LOL!
Prolly so!

time to run, I hope everyone has a great day today!

693 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:21:32am

re: #661 reine.de.tout

Here's something on the New Orleans ACORN embezzlement.

Their attorney, James Gray II, said Monday that the board had instructed the accountants holding the records to cooperate with an investigation into a repayment plan that founder Wade Rathke helped set up in lieu of criminal proceedings against his brother, Dale Rathke.


Oh, he's gonna pay it back.

694 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:21:45am

They found 4 socialites from MY had rented a house in Ohio- registered to vote - and then skipped town - so not only did their plan fail and they are in trouble with the law - their votes won't count.

695 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:22:02am

re: #691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First, thank you for your service. Second, I love your posts. Third, how the hell do you type?

Two index fingers...

696 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:22:24am

re: #693 redstateredneck

Here's something on the New Orleans ACORN embezzlement.

Oh, he's gonna pay it back.

Wiki said he signed an "unenforceable agreement" meaning no teeth, no penalty.

697 MartinLeaf  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:22:25am

Little Jimmi Carter Redux


A totally unqualified "moralist", Jimmi Carter, cynically took advantage of America's post Watergate thirst for change. Then, like now, the democratic candidate wrote a book about himself: "Why Not The Best"?
If anyone cared to investigate Carter's claims in the book, they would have easily discovered that Carter's claims that he was a "nuclear" whatever, and a great student, were all patent lies. Carter ws a lousy student, and anyone can order his transcripts from the national archives. And contrary to his lie in his book, he was not admitted to Anapolis early, he was rejected, and ordered to improve his grades, and make up deficiencis in basic math and other simple classes. This was during WWII, when any breathing person could be admitted.
There is no evidence Carter ever took a "nuclear" class.
Then like now, the press refused to investigate, and acted as shills and cheerleaders for this phony. And then as will happen now, this unqualified moralist damaged America's security and image more than any enemy of America could have, let alone a President.
Its like the press is an enemy of America.

698 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:22:42am

re: #694 DistantThunder

They found 4 socialites from MY had rented a house in Ohio- registered to vote - and then skipped town - so not only did their plan fail and they are in trouble with the law - their votes won't count.

That's from NY....

699 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:22:48am

re: #655 DistantThunder

Home schooling DT? Much, much harder than it seems I know.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:24:06am

re: #695 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Two index fingers...

Sweet! You make this a better place to hang out!

701 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:24:21am

re: #688 jorline

They dumped it in the nearest bayou.

Along with all those black prisoners who were murdered by the government after Katrina.

702 rain of lead  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:24:22am

things that make you go hmmmm

Charles, I know this subject pisses you off but still this is an interesting
development, any lawyers want to comment

due to procedure Obama and DNC admit all allegations

703 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:25:06am

re: #687 Scion9

But I thought the Democrats were anti-War, and Republicans were warmongers? I mean, the history of the Democrat party is one of peace-seeking and pacifism right?


Can you say LBJ!

Obama
I will not send American Boys 7 thousand miles to fight for Pakistani boys, when the Pakistanis boys should be fighting for themselves.


yo.

704 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:25:44am

re: #700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sweet! You make this a better place to hang out!

Naw... others do that. I'm just what they call local color.

/actually I misspoke... not two index fingers. Two middle fingers. The army moved my index fingers over to make thumbs out of them... so what I think of as index, really isn't.

I don't even notice anymore.

705 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:26:26am

re: #695 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Good morning Lt.
I read a few pages in my latest Rifleman mag from the NRA last night.................
It gave me nightmares!
I better get my Christmas shopping done so I know whats left
$$$$ to stock my shelves in the shop!
I can see brass,bullets and primers goin through the roof.....
Should the "O" win ....I'll also need atidepresants,LOL
Sort of!

706 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:26:35am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

wren - duh - toot

shifting weight to one side of my bun ... toot!

sorry couln't resist! luv you RDT ... ha

Thanks, turn

707 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:26:38am

re: #694 DistantThunder

I ran past that yesterday in the New York Post. Wasn't it like 13 people registered to vote from that dinky little house?

/didn't read the whole article.

708 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:27:54am

re: #705 reloadingisnotahobby

Good morning Lt.
I read a few pages in my latest Rifleman mag from the NRA last night.................
It gave me nightmares!
I better get my Christmas shopping done so I know whats left
$$$$ to stock my shelves in the shop!
I can see brass,bullets and primers goin through the roof.....
Should the "O" win ....I'll also need atidepresants,LOL
Sort of!

Went to the local gun store yesterday to get my phone numbers in line for the gun show this weekend. Eyeballed some M1911 knock-offs like I want to find.

Life is still good and may get a lot more "interesting" (in the Chinese sense).

709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:28:12am

I'm going to type something with my middle fingers only, see how it feels...

obama biden obama biden obama biden...

Yeah, felt pretty good.

710 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:28:23am

I'm homeschooling my 12 year old because the teacher he had last year was a "screamer." He was getting straight A's but having to put up with the verbal abuse by the teacher of the whole class and the other students.

It made him physically ill. Our neighbor's daughter confirmed that you could hear his teacher screaming all the way down the hall to the point that the other teachers had to close their doors.

The irony is that he is super smart - will be a great contributor to society. His great-grandfather, Justin Tolman, is one of the most famous teachers in American history. He had a young student, who drew him a picture of a tube, that could transmitted pictures, and he mentored the boy in his physics class for several years. The boy was Philo Farnsworth, who developed television, and he gave much credit to Granpa Tolman. Speilberg has created a broadway play about this story.

711 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:28:37am

re: #676 gonecamping

We need to exercise our right to vote, and exorcise the dead voters from the voting database.

fixed.

712 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:29:10am

re: #708 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

So ...You can purchase at the show ,but have to ship them to the gun shop?

713 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:29:24am

re: #709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm going to type something with my middle fingers only, see how it feels...

obama biden obama biden obama biden...

Yeah, felt pretty good.

Ha... I've been doing that for 17 years now and I have a job where I have to type a lot too.

Good thing I never learned how to type properly.

714 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #712 reloadingisnotahobby

So ...You can purchase at the show ,but have to ship them to the gun shop?

Yeah... as far as I understand, the 3 day wait for handguns applies there too.

If they let me cash and carry, I'll be happy as hell, but I'm not expecting it.

715 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:30:25am

Good morning all y'all from a cool (47 degrees, going up to 71 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope you are all doing well today - at least better than I am.
This %^*$^#%@ computer has frozen up on me three damn times already - each one requiring a re-boot until the last time when I crash dived the damn thing!

716 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:31:20am

re: #715 realwest

Morning Real!

I take it you don't have a Mac.

717 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #715 realwest

{realwest}
Mornin' sweetie. Don't get your blood pressure up over the freakin' computer!

718 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:31:26am

re: #715 realwest

Good morning all y'all from a cool (47 degrees, going up to 71 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope you are all doing well today - at least better than I am.
This %^*$^#%@ computer has frozen up on me three damn times already - each one requiring a re-boot until the last time when I crash dived the damn thing!

I'd say that you're running out of time to blame Bush - but I realize that there won't be any statute of limitations on blaming Bush for everything and anything that happens in the next 50 years.

719 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:32:00am

re: #715 realwest

re: #718 DistantThunder

Blame Cheney then. (:

720 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:32:20am

re: #704 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not to get to personal, but what happened? You can tell me to piss off if you like, I'd understand.

I have the utmost respect for you.

721 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:32:27am

re: #702 rain of lead

things that make you go hmmmm

Charles, I know this subject pisses you off but still this is an interesting
development, any lawyers want to comment

due to procedure Obama and DNC admit all allegations


I thought that Obamas foreign birth has been stipulated, you know that manger in Bethlehem thing.

722 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:32:39am

re: #715 realwest

Turn the Claxon off before you dive next time, Real... It hurts my ears.

723 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:32:48am

re: #714 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Sorry to hear that ...With my concealed carry card they wave the 7.00 BCI fee and I walk out the door with my new gun!
You really didn't want to hear that ...did ya!
Also thanks for your service!
MUCH!

724 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:33:00am

Obama correct that - he has the whole superman story going.

725 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:33:14am

re: #685 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You are seeingh what the internal polls say. Those numbers are very different from what the public propaganda polls look like.

For example, according to RCP, NH is +10 Obama, yet Obama takes time in the last two weeks of the election to have a rally there.

Moral: NH isn't +10 Obama.

The internals must be very shaky. Yet when the election is over and the actual numbers are counted, the big O and the MSM will cite the phony baloney polls to claim any number of issues like voter fraud, racism, and 'mean America'.

Too bad Biden has the duct tape treatment, the more these guys talk, the deeper a hole they dig....hopefully too deep to crawl out of.

726 leftover54  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:03am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

I just sat in the hospital holding the hand of a lady that has been dying for weeks now. I was called Sunday afternoon, the 3rd of this type of call "you should get over here soon, not much time left", got there at 4pm and stayed until 9am yesterday. I finally grew so tired I had to leave so I could stay awake for the drive home. She died 10 minutes after I left. For 3 weeks she gasped
for air (a non smoker BTW) and it was just horrible to watch. While I sat there the TV was on and an old Woody Allen movie came on: "Hannah and Her Sisters".
I'd never seen this movie. There was a scene where Allen thought he was dying, after testing he was given a clean bill of health. The scene in the movie plus the reality of what lay there before me was just so sad
and too much to take in - I had to "zone out" for awhile
just to deal with it. Then there's the hospital staff who deal with it all, day in and day out. I don't know how they do it - they must have to live their lives in constant denial of reality to keep from getting depressed. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it all. This lady was a true "innocent". There are such scum bags walking the earth, some who meet their death quickly and painlessly.This lady had no family to speak of, if it wasn't for volunteers she would have died alone. WTF ?
Well, time to get all excited about life again and get myself back in denial mode. I'm convinced this is how we all live our lives. Books, TV, the internet, our careers, our families problems, our friends problems - we spend our lives keeping this reality at arms length.
It's there to wittiness 24/7 if we want to - just go to any hospital, nursing home, hospice etc., but that would truly be a self defeating exercise except in very small doses. Reality sux. Time to get cheery again so its off to work I go (hi ho, hi ho). Before knocking Obama about his grandmother, with out knowing the circumstances, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. The reality of her circumstances maybe similar and there maybe nothing he can do and there is the reality of running for POTUS. Tough spot to be in. I could have stayed with this lady for weeks on end, there's often no way to predict when "the end" is actually near. If you have a career,a family etc., you have to choose how to divide your time. If a loved one is about to die you can use all your "alloted time" up during the "dying" stage but you then have to consider the time you'll need to devote to the "after death" experience (wake, funeral)
and there's only so much time one can take off from ones
commitments. Hmmm, speaking of which - I better quit here and get to work !

727 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:20am

How can a long term senator be a gaffe machine?

1) Bought and paid for by the credit card companies in Delaware

2) Passionate on the stump which convinces "brain-dead liberals" that he is their champion.

Words don't matter to Dems - they really don't

728 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:46am

re: #720 x-wing

In short. I was a mortar PL at the time (hard, because I was a life-long grunt). Anyway, we were pulling a round for the umpteenth time on a frigging range when the thing fired. I was range OIC, so my job was to catch the round as it came out of the tube. Luckily, the tube shot back into the baseplate, so I was the only one hurt.

729 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:46am

re: #710 DistantThunder

the teacher he had last year was a "screamer."

I had a screamer once. It sounds fun, but it really gets annoying.

////

730 gonecamping  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:35:56am

re: #711 Cap'n DOC
oops, your are correct, thanks

731 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:36:19am

Nawwwwww...he's not the Messiah, or a saint or anything....

Check it!

732 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:36:32am

re: #715 realwest

Good morning all y'all from a cool (47 degrees, going up to 71 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope you are all doing well today - at least better than I am.
This %^*$^#%@ computer has frozen up on me three damn times already - each one requiring a re-boot until the last time when I crash dived the damn thing!

Good Morning Realwest! I wonder why NASA doesn't use Windows on the shuttle?
ahhhh.. Houston..We have a problem. We need to reboot and get back with you..Houston? Houston?

733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:37:20am

re: #723 reloadingisnotahobby

We in the People's Republic of Illinois don't get to carry, concealed or no.

734 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:37:29am

re: #716 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
And
re: #717 redstateredneck
And
re: #718 DistantThunder
And
re: #719 laZardo
Sorry for the "group" answer but who knows when this stupid frickin' computer will go bad on me again!
NO I don't have a MAC - I find most folks who own MACs are insufferably smug about it (not LGFer's of course!) and I refuse to blame Bush or Cheney for my problems and SOMTHING has to get my BP jump started this morning! LOL!
Here's something that might get y'all blood pressure up in a good way: [Link: www.imeem.com...] But toin dem speakers UP! LOL!

735 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:38:30am

re: #729 x-wing

Ron White has a funny bit...

"You've heard of screamers, well....obviously she had never been with one..."

736 Rednek  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:39:24am

This is old news here but its on the front page of Drudge.

I think McCain sould highlight this and call it a version of the "Global Test"

737 Scion9  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:40:00am

re: #727 DistantThunder

How can a long term senator be a gaffe machine?

1) Bought and paid for by the credit card companies in Delaware

2) Passionate on the stump which convinces "brain-dead liberals" that he is their champion.

Words don't matter to Dems - they really don't

Actually, Biden was until he was made Obama's VP, not well liked by most brain-dead liberals, in the way most conservatives didn't like John McCain.

738 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:40:04am

re: #726 leftover54

Hey LO,

You gonna be alright?
Feel your pain.
This too in time will pass ...

739 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:40:22am

re: #735 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ron White has a funny bit...

"You've heard of screamers, well....obviously she had never been with one..."


I love Ron White....love his airplane story too.

740 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:40:53am

re: #722 Cap'n DOC
Are you kidding me - that Claxon is one of the coolest features of Crash Diving! LOL!
But ok, instead lets try: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

741 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:41:33am

re: #731 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Nawwwwww...he's not the Messiah, or a saint or anything....

Check it!

He is the perfect saint for the left - all the vices - and no accountability. he will love them for who they already are. just like the Breast Not Bombs crowd.

Warning...do not view before or after eating....you will be permanently scarred after viewing these Anti-War protesters in Berkeley, who so aptly prove that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

742 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:41:51am

re: #727 DistantThunder

How can a long term senator be a gaffe machine?

1) Bought and paid for by the credit card companies in Delaware

2) Passionate on the stump which convinces "brain-dead liberals" that he is their champion.

Words don't matter to Dems - they really don't

Only in a popularity contest, sad to say

743 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:42:46am

re: #719 laZardo

re: #718 DistantThunder

Blame Cheney then. (:

Me Pappy still blames Roosevelt. And used to spit on the dime before making a phone call. He's promised me he'll make it to election day so he can vote against 0.

744 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:43:17am

re: #733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

We in the People's Republic of Illinois don't get to carry, concealed or no.


Yeah, but see that is the beauty of living here. Guns are totally banned in Chicago, so therefore there is no gun violence. Ok more gun related murders in Chicago over the Summer than combat deaths in Iraq.
Yeah, there is that.

745 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:43:33am

Did y'all see this? Maxine Waters and ACORN.
Bipartisan, my ass.

746 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:43:39am

If Obama is elected - we're looking at some major coinage.

747 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:44:21am

re: #744 opnion

Yeah, but see that is the beauty of living here. Guns are totally banned in Chicago, so therefore there is no gun violence. Ok more gun related murders in Chicago over the Summer than combat deaths in Iraq.
Yeah, there is that.

Yep. A progressive paradise is what it is... and we want to share the wealth with the rest of you.

748 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:44:47am

re: #726 leftover54

Well - visiting the sick, comforting the afflicted... Corporal works of Mercy. Those are both meant to help the giver as well as the receiver. God Bless you and yours for your thoughtfulness.

749 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:45:12am

re: #746 DistantThunder

If Obama is elected - we're looking at some major coinage.

redistribution of wealth

750 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:45:18am

re: #728 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) GACK! CATCH THE ROUND?! WTH? Man I am SO GLAD (in retrospect) that I was "just" an infantryman!
What the hell were you supposed to do with the round when you caught it - throw it to first base to double up the runner?!? Seriously, I never heard of anyone doing that! With your luck you were probably running 4.2's too!

751 vxbush  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:45:29am

Morning, everyone. It's getting colder in midstate Illinois. Can't we turn on a great big heater and let it run?

Technically, this is a drive-by posting; I have a meeting to go to in a few minutes.

752 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #702 rain of lead

I am sure you are not an idiot "troofer" but this is (even if true, ok?) a red herring. Focus on facts, Barack Obama is a Dangerous POTUS Candidate. Period.

The other reason why I am praying for an Obama loss is this. Black helicopter fearing, tin foil wearing, voice hearing, white jet watching, Haliburton hating, Bushitler calling, conspiracy theory promoting nut-jobs. I want them to continue to appear to be on the other side.

Now, Rain, that was not directed at you. But, this is precisely why Charles does not want this stuff here.

753 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:46:57am

re: #728 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Jeez, and here I thought you were gonna tell me you were counting to 5 on a 3 second grenade ;>}

/ glad to hear that,well not really,but considering what could've happened.WOW.

754 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:47:27am

re: #751 vxbush

Morning, everyone. It's getting colder in midstate Illinois. Can't we turn on a great big heater and let it run?

Technically, this is a drive-by posting; I have a meeting to go to in a few minutes.

hell yeah, have a good meeting vx

755 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:48:40am

re: #732 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! Yeah, I wonder why 95+% of American businsses use MS myself.
I really HATE this Mac vs. MS stuff. I've tried Macs - the mouse is always "stiff" and although Mac bills itself as "intuitive" I found it to be counter-myintuitiveness!

No, thanks I'll stick with Windows unless I have to upgrade and can't find an XP-Pro operating system, then I MIGHT try a Mac - just have to find something of value to sell to be able to buy it! LOL!

756 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:49:55am

My friend is a hospice worker who works with the dying and their families. She is very spiritual and sees it as a calling to minister to their needs. She firmly believes that people are allowed to choose the moment of their deaths, when the deaths are predictable - not accidental.

She told me one story, of a woman who wouldn't die, and suffered beyond what was expected of her. My friend told her daughter that she got the impression she was refusing to die because she was worried about leaving this adult daughter behind.

As my friend and the daughter were discussing lunch, the daughter had written her order down on a paper. While she was writing she said, "Mom, you don't need to worry about me, I'll be fine." The daughter then stood up and leaned across her mother to hand my friend the lunch order, and as my friend reach back across to take the paper, the mother heaved and huge sigh, and passed.

She passed seconds after the daughter had made her reassurring statement.

757 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:50:00am

Here is a story in today's Hartford Courant.
Journalist complains about ugly talk, from McCain campaign , then repeats ugly lie.

All Fellow Lizards, demand a retraction over the "kill him" comment.

Story link:
[Link: www.courant.com...]

Contact point:
readerep@courant.com

758 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:50:16am

re: #754 turn

I for one, have never been to a good meeting. I've been to pre-meetings, pre-meeting planning sessions, post meeting, post meeting follow-ups. I've been to the meeting to discuss the meeting.

I've met with meeting parties to set up meetings without actually attending the meetings. Actually, those are good meetings. Meetings where I don't have to meet.

759 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:50:40am

re: #739 The Pulchritudinous Patriot Hey there! Love that airplane story by Ron White "Do you think we'll have enough fuel?" "Oh yeah, lady, we'll have enough fuel to reach the crash site!". ROFL!

760 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:51:10am

re: #750 realwest

GACK! CATCH THE ROUND?! WTH? Man I am SO GLAD (in retrospect) that I was "just" an infantryman!
What the hell were you supposed to do with the round when you caught it - throw it to first base to double up the runner?!? Seriously, I never heard of anyone doing that! With your luck you were probably running 4.2's too!

Christ, no... 81's... if it was a four-deuce, my head and shoulders would have come off!

The basic procedure is (or was, dunno about today) is to let the barrel cool for 15 minutes, have the gun squad leader jump on the tube a few times to see if the round dislodges. If that doesn't work, the gunner unhitches the tube from the baseplate, the goon-in-charge gets his hands around the biped legs, gunner raises the tube to level, GIC puts the meat of his thumbs around the lip of the barrel. Then he raises it enough to let the round slide into the GIC's hands. Nothing to it really. The round is put into a little ammo dump and tagged for EOD to eliminate.

In my case, the thing fired when my hands were still at the bipeds, but the tube sank into the ground the foot or two needed to put them in the way of the blast.

761 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:51:34am

Fla. Rep. Mahoneys' wife files for divorce. Well, there's on House seat coming back to us this year.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

762 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:51:49am

re: #747 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yep. A progressive paradise is what it is... and we want to share the wealth with the rest of you.


We are sharing. We are gifting Obama to the entire country, no the World.
Chicago corruption for all!

763 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #762 opnion

We are sharing. We are gifting Obama to the entire country, no the World.
Chicago corruption for all!

No thanks needed... it was our pleasure.

/if only Jack Ryan could have kept his pecker under control...

764 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:54:02am

re: #755 realwest

Good morning Hoops! Yeah, I wonder why 95+% of American businsses use MS myself.
I really HATE this Mac vs. MS stuff. I've tried Macs - the mouse is always "stiff" and although Mac bills itself as "intuitive" I found it to be counter-myintuitiveness!

No, thanks I'll stick with Windows unless I have to upgrade and can't find an XP-Pro operating system, then I MIGHT try a Mac - just have to find something of value to sell to be able to buy it! LOL!

Well to use a funny quote from a george Clooney movie..
Sell your soul..you're not using it anyway.
LOL
/ Hope all is well with you today.

765 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:54:20am

re: #756 DistantThunder

Hey DT, it is a great comfort to know our kids have such incredible compassion, and yet a great understating of life and death.

766 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:54:54am

re: #761 x-wing

Fla. Rep. Mahoneys' wife files for divorce. Well, there's on House seat coming back to us this year.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

Given the way this country is operating... You never know.

767 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:56:11am

re: #756 DistantThunder

That's touching and I agree with that. It happened with my Grandpa. He just kept hanging on until my dad told him that everything would be okay. He passed shortly after that.

768 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:56:16am

re: #760 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is "YOUCH!" a word?

769 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:57:17am

re: #763 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No thanks needed... it was our pleasure.

/if only Jack Ryan could have kept his pecker under control...

The irony is that he was married to Jeri Ryan. She should be enough to occupy a guy.

770 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:57:38am

Hi there.
I'd like to share the wealth.
GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

771 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:58:29am

re: #758 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate meetings. Worse yet I hate my SP sending me to meetings. God, just let me do my own thing, shit I know what the F#$% I'm talking about. It's a hard thing for a SP to do, let the leash loose,

772 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #448 Sharmuta

Bachmann turns to overdrive

I said during the convention, this woman was one to watch. She's a tough conservative, and one that will hopefully continue to be an energetic voice for our side.

Taking care of business!

773 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:59:07am

re: #760 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) I'm just awestruck - I really am. When I was in advanced infantry training my PLT SGt told me - we were on a weeks training expedition in the wilds of Ft. Dix in February (yeah, snow up to our, uh, well nearly to our waists) and he said I should drop to the ground fire three rounds roll over and fire three more.
I replied "WHAT?! - this Snow is way too deep for that!" He said if you don't do that I'm going to send you back to barracks and you'll have to scrub the entire (platoon sized) barracks down by hand!".
My response was - "so, what's the downside here?!".
He simply pushed me down into the snow, face first and said give me fifty you %%$%@ S.O.B.
Sigh. Ah yeah, the good ole days!

774 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:59:53am

re: #770 sparrowlake

Hi there.
I'd like to share the wealth.

We can share the women
We can share the wine
We can share what we got of yours
'Cause we done shared all of mine

775 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #773 realwest

I'm just awestruck - I really am. When I was in advanced infantry training my PLT SGt told me - we were on a weeks training expedition in the wilds of Ft. Dix in February (yeah, snow up to our, uh, well nearly to our waists) and he said I should drop to the ground fire three rounds roll over and fire three more.
I replied "WHAT?! - this Snow is way too deep for that!" He said if you don't do that I'm going to send you back to barracks and you'll have to scrub the entire (platoon sized) barracks down by hand!".
My response was - "so, what's the downside here?!".
He simply pushed me down into the snow, face first and said give me fifty you %%$%@ S.O.B.
Sigh. Ah yeah, the good ole days!

Was that before or after the introduction of the automatic potato peeler in the mess halls?

I was after, so I never got to enjoy the satisfaction of peeling a couple of thousand spuds for my sins.

776 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:01:38am

re: #759 realwest

Hey there! Love that airplane story by Ron White "Do you think we'll have enough fuel?" "Oh yeah, lady, we'll have enough fuel to reach the crash site!". ROFL!

He slays me....I just love the smoking and the glass of scotch and that attitude he has....he's awesome.

777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:02:35am

re: #770 sparrowlake

uh...that's not sharing. that's taking. Let me give you the future 'sharing' techniques of the left.

THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW! THAT IS OURS NOW!

778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:03:02am

re: #769 opnion

The irony is that he was married to Jeri Ryan. She should be enough to occupy a guy.

She should be enough to occupy all of Starfleet!

779 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:03:17am

re: #770 sparrowlake
Sung to the tune of: [Link: www.imeem.com...]
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.
.
.

OK I apologize for that one!

780 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:03:30am

re: #778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She should be enough to occupy all of Starfleet!

Bingo!

781 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:03:53am

Good morning, Lizard Clan...how is everyone in this delightful oasis of sanity today?

782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:04:19am

re: #781 scottishbuzzsaw

Same ole crap...tuesday.

783 JohnAdams  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:04:31am

re: #774 Who Watches the Watchmen?

We can share the women
We can share the wine
We can share what we got of yours
'Cause we done shared all of mine

One of my favorite Dead tunes.

784 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:04:49am
785 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:04:59am

re: #655 DistantThunder

Compare that with the NYC schools, where 20% of students have missed at least a month of classes. How exactly do kids learn when they miss that much class? [Hint: They don't] The problem is particularly severe in high schools, where the number rises to 40%.

786 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:05:20am

re: #781 scottishbuzzsaw

SSDD.

Same Sh*t Different Day. At least I am off for the next 3.

787 laZardo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:05:23am

Gonna head to bed a bit early, gym has got this nerd puckered. G'night!

788 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:06:33am

Waiting for the Rasmussen update... they are 1/2 hour late today. Must be bad news for Obama. :-)

Zogby has Obama opening up his lead fast. I hope he is full of crap.

789 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:06:59am

re: #778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She should be enough to occupy all of Starfleet!

re: #780 opnion

I have no idea what you guys are talking about

[Link: img.inkfrog.com...]

790 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:07:29am

YAY! My older daughter just called and she got a new job. She lost her job about three weeks ago and has been clerking at a liquor store while she's been in between. I paid for five years of college for her. This is an answered prayer.

791 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:07:54am

re: #790 redstateredneck

Great news... glad to hear it!

792 turn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:08:02am

re: #781 scottishbuzzsaw

Hey Sbuz, oh ... or Schbuzz, or .... oh never mind

Just kidding SB, hey going to bed now. Talk to you later.

Night all!

793 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:08:43am

re: #790 redstateredneck

YAY! My older daughter just called and she got a new job. She lost her job about three weeks ago and has been clerking at a liquor store while she's been in between. I paid for five years of college for her. This is an answered prayer.

DRINK!
lol

794 JSK1121  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:08:49am

Rudy Giuliani on Cleveland's own WTAM 1100. You can listen live at WTAM.com

He should cut deep regarding Biden's weekend Gaffe-a-palooza.

Enjoy!

795 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:09:11am

Okay all

Off to the shower and physical therapy.
Oh Joy

796 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:09:17am

re: #782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #786 smokefire

Sheesh... you two are tempting me to go all Pollyanna and that won't do for this curmudgeon's reputation...

797 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:09:33am

re: #790 redstateredneck

Whoo-hooo, good on her.

798 sparrowlake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:09:41am

re: #787 laZardo

Gonna head to bed a bit early, gym has got this nerd puckered. G'night!

Good night, Gym.

799 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:10:09am

re: #792 turn

Hey Sbuz, oh ... or Schbuzz, or .... oh never mind

Just kidding SB, hey going to bed now. Talk to you later.

Night all!

LOL! Hey Turn, and Turnwife! Hope all is well with you both...sleep well...

800 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:10:26am

re: #775 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Before! But I just couldn't (still can't) peel potatos very rapidly or well. But ya need a grease trap emptied, I was the MAN! LOL!
I really hated the Army. I really did even AFTER Vietnam when I finally understood what it was all about - the training, instant obeying of orders etc.

801 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:10:40am

W00t! All aboard the McCain train!

802 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:10:41am

re: #788 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Waiting for the Rasmussen update... they are 1/2 hour late today. Must be bad news for Obama. :-)

Zogby has Obama opening up his lead fast. I hope he is full of crap.

Folks really need to quit paying attention so much to the daily polling. How many times do people have to point out that these polls generally oversample Democrats by a hefty margin, which bears no resemblance to how people actually vote? The pollsters use statistical measures to massage the responses, and they invariably get it wrong.

It's a close election, far closer than the polling has indicated to date, and those who commission the polls are generally hoping to use them to dictate views, rather than provide insight into what people are thinking (or at least willing to tell the pollsters).

There's only one poll that means anything, and that's the one that counts for all the marbles. Everything else is just so much noise to fill days that are empty of substance.

803 JohnAdams  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:11:01am

Just reading the Gateway Pundit stuff on Obama and Ayers working in the same office for quite some time. It occurs to me that Ayers being a "Professor of Education" is even more ludicrous than it sounds.

Of course Ayers and Dohrn found refuge in the whacked halls of Academia. This is the ta-da moment for me. Our schools have become the Fifth Column of Marxism. They harbor these bloodsucking malcontents and nourish their increasingly abstracted ideas, giving them tenure and a captive audience of innocents when in fact they could otherwise find no useful employment. It's sickening. I can't find one college educated person under the age of 35 who is not completely fucked in the head by pure liberal agenda. This is a whole generation, and they will the ones dispensing me off to the Soylent Green factory when I'm old and gray.

804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:12:03am

I turned on CNN Headline news last night to watch Glenn Beck, only to find Lou Dobbs. Is Glenn no longer on CNN?

805 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:12:05am

re: #781 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, Lizard Clan...how is everyone in this delightful oasis of sanity today?

Good Morning scottish...How are you today?

806 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:12:36am

re: #800 realwest

lol.

I salute you, sir. All you Nam guys are the best.

807 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:12:54am

re: #789 sattv4u2

re: #780 opnion

I have no idea what you guys are talking about

[Link: img.inkfrog.com...]


The Republican opposing Obama for his US Senate run was Jack Ryan , a businessman. He was divorced from the actress Jeri Ryan.
Jack Ryan looked like he might win. Obama with the help of the Chicago Tribune got Ryan's divorce records open.
The records showed that Ryan liked sex clubs & encouraged his former wife to join him at one in London. Ryan withdrew & the Party brought in Alan Keyes from Maryland to oppose Obama. Bad move.

808 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:21am

re: #785 lawhawk

Compare that with the NYC schools, where 20% of students have missed at least a month of classes. How exactly do kids learn when they miss that much class? [Hint: They don't] The problem is particularly severe in high schools, where the number rises to 40%.

I don't understand how these kids get away with it... I heard that report this morning. It makes me sick. I never missed any time at school...

809 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:24am

re: #727 DistantThunder

How can a long term senator be a gaffe machine?

1) Bought and paid for by the credit card companies in Delaware

2) Passionate on the stump which convinces "brain-dead liberals" that he is their champion.

Words don't matter to Dems - they really don't


apparently not long. i read in Hot Air this morning that Biden has no campaign appearances today. i think he has been given a timeout. i can't wait for his next press conference or public appearance so that he can explain in more detail just what international calamity he is expecting under Obama.

810 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:35am
811 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:46am

re: #777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Nah, this is what the LEFT is all about: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

812 x-wing  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:53am

re: #804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I turned on CNN Headline news last night to watch Glenn Beck, only to find Lou Dobbs. Is Glenn no longer on CNN?

He's going over to FNC. 5pm. slot I heard.

813 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:54am

re: #804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I turned on CNN Headline news last night to watch Glenn Beck, only to find Lou Dobbs. Is Glenn no longer on CNN?

Glenn Beck is movning to the Fox News Channel...

814 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:13:59am

re: #805 HoosierHoops

Good Morning scottish...How are you today?

Good morning, HH...I'm doing very well as a matter of fact...getting stronger and healthier by the day...finally...how are you on this beautiful day?

815 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:14:45am

re: #802 lawhawk

It's fun. As a math-guy, it's very entertaining.

Besides, while you can't take any meaning from a +5 value, etc., the trends are informative. Hence watching over time.

816 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:15:11am

re: #801 Killgore Trout

W00t! All aboard the McCain train!

Hey KT! Link?

heh

817 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:15:19am

Good day lizards!

How is Barney Frank a electable politician? He cannot communicate and he's clearly an complete idiot. Oh yeah- he's a lefty democrat.

This is the guy show said there is nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie. Don't touch. Why isn't Barney Frank thrown out on his ear? Instead the media give him the kid glove treatment.

818 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:16:06am

re: #770 sparrowlake

Hi there.
I'd like to share the wealth./blockquote>

/okay, just remember, you asked for it

819 Parker in US  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:16:15am

Well maybe we are not F@$ked after all the Dem's are so giddy about taking it all they are having a meltdown as usual:

Murtha

Franks

Biden

I'm waiting for their leader Nancy Pelosi, I bet she will be next to insert her foot in her mouth and give us another glimpse of their real agenda.

820 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:16:18am

re: #781 scottishbuzzsaw

sheesh, you are the one that started this.

LOL HUMOR IN THE MORNING

821 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:16:31am

re: #817 FrogMarch

Good day lizards!

Good morning FrogMarch! How goes the battle with you?

822 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:16:38am

re: #817 FrogMarch

Good day lizards!

How is Barney Frank a electable politician? He cannot communicate and he's clearly an complete idiot. Oh yeah- he's a lefty democrat.

This is the guy show said there is nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie. Don't touch. Why isn't Barney Frank thrown out on his ear? Instead the media give him the kid glove treatment.

Because Barney Frank is a Massachusetts Liberal who will never lose his seat...

823 LindaMarie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:17:05am

re: #733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

We in the People's Republic of Illinois don't get to carry, concealed or no.

Shame - would probably cut down on street cirme at least.

824 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:17:29am

re: #812 x-wing

He's going over to FNC. 5pm. slot I heard.

That's actually kind of a shame. I preferred watching him to Hannity & Colmes. Glenn's 100% Skeletor free!

825 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:17:53am

"Breaking Away" is on. Cool!

826 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:07am

re: #814 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, HH...I'm doing very well as a matter of fact...getting stronger and healthier by the day...finally...how are you on this beautiful day?

I am doing wonderful today..although the fancy coffee pot broke this morning so I was stuck drinking regular java..Pretty disappointing if you ask me.

827 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:22am

Well... I got to get to work.

Love ya, lizards, you cold blooded bastards (and bastardettes)

828 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:38am

re: #824 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And Blowhard free.

829 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:39am

re: #804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I turned on CNN Headline news last night to watch Glenn Beck, only to find Lou Dobbs. Is Glenn no longer on CNN?

Glenn's moving to Fox. CNN can't handle that sort of "balance". CNN must remain entirely in the tank with the leftist Democrat party.

830 realwest  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:45am

re: #785 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk - just one MAJOR quibble with something in your link: "City officials said the responsibility for absenteeism lies chiefly with school principals, who are required by the state to submit attendance plans."

NO. The responsibility for absenteeism lies chiefly with the parents of those kids. And I don't care if they are gettin' up extra early to go to school - there are ways to cover - with a neighbor's parents, Aunts, Uncles, etc. It ISN'T the schools duty to get the kids IN to the school, just teach 'em and keep 'em safe while they are there.

831 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:48am
832 bellamags  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:18:54am

Good morning Lizards.

Anyone else think the polls in Colorado are completely wrong? Fox news last night said Obama was up 5 points 51 to 46. I know 5 points is a statistical tie, but come on! CO is ultra conservative. Am I wrong?

833 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:19:19am

re: #804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I turned on CNN Headline news last night to watch Glenn Beck, only to find Lou Dobbs. Is Glenn no longer on CNN?


He's going to FNC in january, but CNN let him go when they found out.

834 JohnAdams  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 7:19:57am