Hot Air's Comprehensive Argument Against The One
Opinion | Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:35:27 am PDT
A great post at Hot Air with mucho video goodness, by Mary Katharine Ham, Guy Benson, and Ed Morrissey: The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama.
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Opinion | Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:35:27 am PDT
A great post at Hot Air with mucho video goodness, by Mary Katharine Ham, Guy Benson, and Ed Morrissey: The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama.
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Edouard Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:38:05am |
This is a truly, truly, awesome post. One of the best of the blogosphere this year.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:39:42am |
If only the msm were as dedicated to the truth as these bloggers, the country would be so much better off in this election as well as in general.
Damn you, msm bastards!
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:41:51am |
OT and I don't have time to see if this was covered in an earlier thread, so apologies if this is a repost:
Dead Goldfish Offered the Vote in Illinois
Voter registration material was sent to Princess Nudelman, a dead goldfish
[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]
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Spiny Norman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:43:03am |
Mass link emailing comin' right up.
Comprehensive, indeed.
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alegrias Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:43:09am |
Young yet serious & excellent Mary Katherine Ham also posts frequent pithy items daily at [Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:43:40am |
On a side note I would also like to add that this is just further evidence that this election is going down the toilet.
/laugh clown, laugh
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:43:43am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:44:14am |
I regret that I have only one + ding to give!
Most awesome summary of what the left will bring us should this
idiot be ellected.........
Ellected and Obama in the same sentence..........
Excuse me ... I need to go wash my hands!
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:44:25am |
re: #5 Tupac23X
OT and I don't have time to see if this was covered in an earlier thread, so apologies if this is a repost:
Dead Goldfish Offered the Vote in Illinois
Voter registration material was sent to Princess Nudelman, a dead goldfish
[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]
It's near Chicago. It's dead. Thus, it is entitled to vote. 'Nough said. ;-)
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:45:22am |
I can't get the videos at hotair to play more than 2 seconds. Anyone else having video issues?
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:45:34am |
re: #5 Tupac23X
My beagle had a Discover card. I still have it somewhere, but the beagle is long dead.
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armaros Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:45:54am |
Here s the NY Post about how Obama will silence Right wing media:
[Link: www.wilshireandwashington.com...]
Disgraced Republican boy chaser Mark Foley supports Obama [Link: www.wilshireandwashington.com...]
Hate Vandalism on Republican owned car in Tampa...includes flag burning:
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]
Obama s world socialism plan:
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
Obama and the Muslims:
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:46:51am |
re: #13 Sharmuta
I can't get the videos at hotair to play more than 2 seconds. Anyone else having video issues?
well, there WAS that 1 time in a motel outside of pittsburgh when..oops! what am I sayin'?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:46:58am |
Just sent it to my BiL. I just hope he didn't already vote early for Obama.
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cliffster Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:47:06am |
re: #13 Sharmuta
I can't get the videos at hotair to play more than 2 seconds. Anyone else having video issues?
Yeah and no sound either.
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Hard Right Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:47:40am |
I'm thinking if the polls continue to tighten McCain may yet take the election!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:47:47am |
re: #13 Sharmuta
I had the same problem with Firefox. I opened it in IE and it works fine.
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redstateredneck Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:47:49am |
I just sent the hotair link to one of my brothers. They are both democrats, but this one is the less moonbatty of the two. Hope he'll read it.
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calvin coolidge Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:48:01am |
young, conservative journalists.................someone pinch me!
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BackwardsBoy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:48:18am |
Bloggers doing the work the MSM refuses to do.
Hope HA will keep this posted until election day.
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:48:25am |
When all else fails, just listen to what Obama says and what he is prepared to do.
Listen to what his supporters and even his running mate says about Obama and his lack of experience and that our nation's enemies will test us to get a measure of the man (which I find sorely lacking based on already available materials).
His policy prescriptions are straight out of the Carter playbook (and how exactly did that work out - we got Iran, islamofascism, and the misery index for our trouble).
His views are anything but mainstream, but he's such a smooth talker (or so they say) that the media glosses over his leftist policies with all manner of hope and change.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:49:06am |
re: #8 alegrias
Young yet serious & excellent Mary Katherine Ham also posts frequent pithy items daily at [Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
Whoever gets to win her heart is definitely marrying up.
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:49:12am |
re: #2 Edouard
This is a truly, truly, awesome post. One of the best of the blogosphere this year.
YES
YES
I am emailing it along to everyone I know!
Push this thread!
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:49:17am |
re: #12 Honorary Yooper
It's near Chicago. It's dead. Thus, it is entitled to vote. 'Nough said. ;-)
Little surprises me, but I do wonder how low the bar can go sometimes.
And can we be certain that the fish would have voted for 0bama?
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Hard Right Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:49:50am |
Those bloggers must be mexican since they're doing the job American reporters won't do.
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notutopia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:50:07am |
Great gathering all together of many of the posts and issues we've been covering and discussing here at LGF for the past month or so. It's nice having it compiled into one salvo of arms to send on to others!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:50:55am |
re: #24 calvin coolidge
Katherine Ham is an exceptional young lady.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:51:21am |
Great article. I don't think it would hurt to spend a bit more time on his associates, though. And in addition to his lack of accomplishments, they should also mention his spectacular failures (Chicago Annenberg Challenge and his work with corrupt real estate developers who built substandard apartments for the poor and failed to maintain them.
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:51:24am |
This piece on Hot Air proves that Obama is disqualified to preserve and secure Our Lives, Our Liberty, and Our Pursuit of Happiness.
Go thru item by item - it is all there.
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kansas Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:51:37am |
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JSK1121 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:51:56am |
This article is great, but probably the worst and most contradictory part is when the authors state: "What follows is by no means comprehensive", while the title states: "The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama"
Nuance.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:52:14am |
This probably belongs on another thread - somewhere - but it seems important:
Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
And, one of those quoted thinks there's a way to get around that old Constitution thing.
Seems to me that if this happens, it'd be the last time you'd see a candidate outside of the major cities.
Oh yeah, and states like Wyoming would be screwed...don't think those boys would like that much.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:52:25am |
may I suggest that if you are forwarding this to your beloved moonbats that you retitle it "The Case FOR Barack Obama"..this way they may actually begin to watch it and mebbe it'll stick...
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michaelasher Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:52:36am |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:52:39am |
Good for Hot Air.
Anyone else not getting the audio portion of the videos?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:52:57am |
I not only Buzzed up the LGF article, I Buzzed it up at HotAir too.
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:53:23am |
re: #4 Sharmuta
If only the msm were as dedicated to the truth as these bloggers, the country would be so much better off in this election as well as in general.
Amen.
If they even cared about half of the truth we wouldn't all be shaking in our drawers.
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kansas Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:54:03am |
re: #36 JSK1121
This article is great, but probably the worst and most contradictory part is when the authors state: "What follows is by no means comprehensive", while the title states: "
TheA more comprehensive argument against Barack Obama than you'll get from ABC NBC CBS MSNBC PBS NEW YORK TIMES WASHINGTON POST AP"Nuance.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:54:27am |
re: #29 Tupac23X
Little surprises me, but I do wonder how low the bar can go sometimes.
And can we be certain that the fish would have voted for 0bama?
It's dead. It's near Chicago. Anything dead, and near or in Chicago votes Democrat. Yes, we are certain the fish would've have voted for Obama, postmortem.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:55:19am |
re: #42 Tupac23X
Amen.
If they even cared about half of the truth we wouldn't all be shaking in our drawers.
I don't wear drawers..I find the handles and the hardware kind of a nuisance..
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:55:23am |
re: #40 Pvt Bin Jammin
I think Youtube changed some stuff. I can't get firefox to run any youtube videos today. Works fine with IE though.
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calvin coolidge Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:56:08am |
re: #44 Honorary Yooper
It's dead. It's near Chicago. Anything dead, and near or in Chicago votes Democrat. Yes, we are certain the fish would've have voted for Obama, postmortem.
TALK ABOUT BEING IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA!
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Tigger2005 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:56:12am |
re: #45 joecitizen
I don't wear drawers..I find the handles and the hardware kind of a nuisance..
If Obama wins I might climb into my underwear drawer and stay there for four years.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:56:36am |
re: #45 joecitizen
I don't wear drawers..I find the handles and the hardware kind of a nuisance..
ROFLMAO
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:56:55am |
re: #46 Killgore Trout
I think Youtube changed some stuff. I can't get firefox to run any youtube videos today. Works fine with IE though.
Thanks. I guess I'll load it up on my old dog IE6. Using Firefox now.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:57:21am |
re: #49 Tigger2005
If Obama wins I might climb into my underwear drawer and stay there for four years.
hopefully your stay would be brief...
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:57:39am |
re: #47 taxfreekiller
Had to do some e-mailing, this is up on Yahoo News
Relative says Obama's grandmother has broken hip.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
1 hr. 6 min ago by
Allen G. Breed AP
Under the Obama healthcare plan, she'll be waiting 18-24 months for surgery.
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Hard Right Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:59:07am |
re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Under the Obama healthcare plan, she'll be waiting 18-24 months for surgery.
People like her will get special treatment.....aka euthanasia.
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Rednek Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:59:19am |
Hotair take apart The One.
Unless this airs on Oprah or the MSM news programs how will it make any difference?
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:59:25am |
Obama is against Life.
Obama is against personal Liberty.
Obama is against the pursuit of individual Property.
Obama is not fit to be President of the United States of America, and if we all come together - he will be denied.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 21, 2008 10:59:31am |
Bless their hearts! This is a masterful piece of work.
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:00:04am |
re: #45 joecitizen
I don't wear drawers..I find the handles and the hardware kind of a nuisance..
:)
:0)
Whatever I'm wearing, it's shaking. The prospect of the big 0 making it into the Oval Office is easily the scariest thing to happen in my lifetime. (c 1971)
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joncelli Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:01:21am |
re: #37 subsailor68
This is big. When an outlet as reliably lefty as MSNBC runs a story like this it means they think it's going to be very, very close.
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RickZ Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:01:37am |
No one can deny his ambition. In fact, if Obama wins on November 4th—and serves one full term in the Oval Office—the Presidency of the United States would be the longest consecutively held full-time job he has ever held without seeking another.
Amazing when I actually read, in words better thought out than mine, the crux of the matter. Obama doesn't have experience of running even a dog pound, just running his many campaigns for ever higher office. And his stick-to-it-ness when it comes to holding a job does not speak well for him. His voting record speaks even less. Every legitimate criticism of him from his more than just a guy in my neighborhood relationship with William Ayers, to sitting in a racist pew of a racist church listening to a racist pastor spew for over 20 years, making sure he not only tithed personally, but managed to secure funds through his other resume bullet point, his work on the CAC and the Woods Fund, while his wife conveniently doubled her already large salary when Illinois Senator Obama secured funds for her employer, to working with ACORN, a group which, besides voter registration fraud, pushed for low-income, high-risk housing loans, and Obama, who as a lawyer, backed them up, are all "distractions." This guy feels entitled, arrogant (and looks the part), far beyond his skimpy accomplishments. I still say Geraldine Ferraro was right: Obama is the Affirmative Action Presidential Candidate. And we as a Nation are the poorer for it.
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Hard Right Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:02:24am |
re: #37 subsailor68
This probably belongs on another thread - somewhere - but it seems important:
Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
And, one of those quoted thinks there's a way to get around that old Constitution thing.
Seems to me that if this happens, it'd be the last time you'd see a candidate outside of the major cities.
Oh yeah, and states like Wyoming would be screwed...don't think those boys would like that much.
The left would love to see the EC killed off. The most populous states are rather blue.
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yma o hyd Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:02:49am |
re: #55 Rednek
Hotair take apart The One.
Unless this airs on Oprah or the MSM news programs how will it make any difference?
Send it off to all your family and friends - and ask them to kindly also send it to their freinds, and so on and so forth ...
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opnion Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:04:01am |
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Obamas had an interest in the Advocate Health System at the time, that perform a lot of abortions.
The incident in question was one of their facilities. That was before the Trib went into the tank for BHO,
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:04:38am |
re: #63 opnion
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Obamas had an interest in the Advocate Health System at the time, that perform a lot of abortions.
The incident in question was one of their facilities. That was before the Trib went into the tank for BHO,
I did not know that. Thank you.
He makes me SICK.
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:04:50am |
re: #60 RickZ
And we as a Nation are the poorer for it.
And even poorer we $hall be if the current numbers hold.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:05:26am |
re: #59 joncelli
This is big. When an outlet as reliably lefty as MSNBC runs a story like this it means they think it's going to be very, very close.
Wow. Great point! I didn't think about that when I read the article.
And Hard Right also has a great point about blue states.
Overall, eliminating the EC is a really not such a good idea, IMHO.
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:05:32am |
I think I know who's inside that empty suit Obama's been wearing.
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RickZ Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:05:47am |
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bellamags Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:05:51am |
Just got the word that there was a continuous flow of voters at one of our local early voting locations. There is also a group of people cheering for McCain at the intersection. SWEET
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:06:29am |
re: #69 bellamags
Just got the word that there was a continuous flow of voters at one of our local early voting locations. There is also a group of people cheering for McCain at the intersection. SWEET
We will fight
and NEVER give up!
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zato Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:06:43am |
Very good. And did I mention that he couldn't keep his word...
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:07:30am |
Later lizards and thanks to PJM for a great exposé.
Your efforts in the face of what appear to be long odds are both Honorable and commendable.
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Globular Cluster Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:07:36am |
Very well done. I've blogged and emailed it.
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Dasher Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:07:43am |
re: #37 subsailor68
This probably belongs on another thread - somewhere - but it seems important:
Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
And, one of those quoted thinks there's a way to get around that old Constitution thing.
Seems to me that if this happens, it'd be the last time you'd see a candidate outside of the major cities.
Oh yeah, and states like Wyoming would be screwed...don't think those boys would like that much.
One of the purposes of the electoral college is to prevent larger states from making smaller states irrelevant. So States are weighted by the number of representatives they have. A minimum of 3, a maximum of 2 + the number of house seats.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:07:52am |
This ought to be what McCain runs after Obambi's infommercial...
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:08:27am |
re: #74 Dasher
One of the purposes of the electoral college is to prevent larger states from making smaller states irrelevant. So States are weighted by the number of representatives they have. A minimum of 3, a maximum of 2 + the number of house seats.
I'm with ya on that. (It's why I mentioned Wyoming.)
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Tupac23X Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:09:25am |
PIMF: Thanks to Hot Air. Thanks to PJM and LGF though for the daily dose of reality.
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midwestgak Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:11:33am |
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:11:44am |
re: #61 Hard Right
The left would love to see the EC killed off. The most populous states are rather blue.
I never appreciated the genius of the EC until the last ten years of my life. I understood the textbook explanations from high school, but it really was so smart of them.
Likewise, I have no end of respect for the winner-take-all, two party system. It innoculates the country from having to pander to wild, fringe groups, and the result is we can have the freedom to allow idiots to exist, because we know they're powerless, whereas many Euro countries are forced to outlaw them, lest they gain a political foothold.
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notutopia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:11:56am |
Fracture of the Hip in the elderly is one of the most common accidents and injuries and is also one of the most serious diagnoses in it's frequent causes of a more rapid progressive decline in quality of their health and the shortening of the geriatric lifespan. Many patients never make it to full recovery due to secondary complications like Infection, Pulmonary complications, Anemia, or Ambulation and bedridden conditions related to the injury. I hope for her successful recovery. It is most painful.
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Jamie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:12:29am |
Is it surprising that this is better than anything that came out of the official McCain campaign?
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Spiny Norman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:12:42am |
re: #37 subsailor68
This probably belongs on another thread - somewhere - but it seems important:
Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?
And, one of those quoted thinks there's a way to get around that old Constitution thing.
Seems to me that if this happens, it'd be the last time you'd see a candidate outside of the major cities.
Oh yeah, and states like Wyoming would be screwed...don't think those boys would like that much.
New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and Los Angeles pick the President, the rest of the country can f*ck off.
The Founders were far more wise than they knew.
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:12:54am |
Mary Katherine Ham?
*perk*
Adjusts tie, thinks about putting on a shirt.
Hamnation would have helped these last few months.
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Dasher Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:13:01am |
re: #76 subsailor68
I'm with ya on that. (It's why I mentioned Wyoming.)
Yep! Since the electoral college is part of the constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to become law. It would never pass, because no small state would vote for it.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:15:51am |
re: #63 opnion
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Obamas had an interest in the Advocate Health System at the time, that perform a lot of abortions.
The incident in question was one of their facilities. That was before the Trib went into the tank for BHO,
I should be surprised, but I'm not. Corrupt Chicago politics and all...
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Spiny Norman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:16:56am |
re: #84 Dasher
Yep! Since the electoral college is part of the constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to become law. It would never pass, because no small state would vote for it.
2/3 of the States have to ratify it, not 2/3 of the population, so you are absolutely correct.
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Joan Not of Arc Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:17:10am |
Why the hell would anyone vote for a man whose comfort with infanticide is nothing less than disturbing?
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:17:25am |
re: #84 Dasher
I concur. However, this was included in the article:
Scrapping the electoral vote system would likely require a constitutional amendment since the Constitution itself created the electoral system (Article II, section 1).
"But a group called National Popular Vote says it has found another way.
So far, it has persuaded four Democratic-controlled legislatures (in Maryland, Illinois, Hawaii, and New Jersey) to pass a law which commits those states to give their electoral votes to whomever wins the national popular vote.
The accord takes effect once states with a combined 270 electoral votes agree to it.
The states would pledge to award their electoral votes to the popular vote winner even if he or she had not been the majority choice in their state."
Not sure that idea would pass a SCOTUS case. Could it?
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Outrider Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:19:00am |
Excellent work! Nice and comprehensive while hitting the major points. Given I certainly can't improve on it, I will just link to it from my blog and send folks over to Hot Air to read it.
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:21:24am |
re: #84 Dasher
It would never pass, because no small state would vote for it.
Good point. People rarely vote themselves less power.
Which makes things like the 19th Amendment so admirable. While others may choose to dwell on how bad it is that it took them so long, or discount their deeds by implying they had no choice, it doesn't negate that by far and away, it was men who voted to give the vote to women in America.
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Outrider Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:21:32am |
re: #74 Dasher
One of the purposes of the electoral college is to prevent larger states from making smaller states irrelevant. So States are weighted by the number of representatives they have. A minimum of 3, a maximum of 2 + the number of house seats.
This is one of those bad ideas that pop up every election. If the Electoral College didn't exist and the vote was strictly one person-one vote, the administration would be elected by just a few major urban centers; California, New York, etc....with the rest of the voters throughout the rural and suburban areas disenfranchised from the vote.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:22:07am |
BTW, here's a link to the National Popular Vote site (goes to the About page).
I won't pass judgment on these folks, but when terms like "Berkeley" pop up, I get nervous. :-)
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cblesz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:23:08am |
Are they imploding? Biden gaffe machine, Barney Frank on CNBC saying we need higher taxes, Joe the plumber...McCain needs to get all this out there somehow...
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:23:09am |
re: #87 Joan Not of Arc
Why the hell would anyone vote for a man whose comfort with infanticide is nothing less than disturbing?
Honestly, I think they think that if they openly say that are against infantcide, there is some "slippery slope" that will lose abortion rights.
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mattm Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:24:10am |
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GGMac Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:25:29am |
Yeomans' work - excellent presentation, and thank you.
Here's a not serious/but yes, serious, bit of spoofery. Except that it's all spot-on!
[Link: jimtreacher.com...]
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Dasher Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:25:50am |
re: #86 Spiny Norman
2/3 of the States have to ratify it, not 2/3 of the population, so you are absolutely correct.
Actually it takes 3/4's of the states to ratify an amendment. (Article V )
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:30:50am |
re: #88 subsailor68
States can award Electoral votes almost any way they want. They can go by who controls the State Legislature and forget about having any popular vote. If they do have a popular vote then they can not restrict access to the vote based on 1) slavery or previous condition of servitude, except for felony conviction, but the State can let the felons vote if they so choose, 2) Sex, 3) Failure to pay a Poll Tax or other tax and 4) Age if over 18. Other restrictions would probably be constitutional. For example if you are a Robert Heinlien fan you could consider restricing the vote to honorably discharged military veterans.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:35:06am |
re: #98 lifeofthemind
States can award Electoral votes almost any way they want. They can go by who controls the State Legislature and forget about having any popular vote. If they do have a popular vote then they can not restrict access to the vote based on 1) slavery or previous condition of servitude, except for felony conviction, but the State can let the felons vote if they so choose, 2) Sex, 3) Failure to pay a Poll Tax or other tax and 4) Age if over 18. Other restrictions would probably be constitutional. For example if you are a Robert Heinlien fan you could consider restricing the vote to honorably discharged military veterans.
I do believe you're right on this (not a Constitutional scholar). It does appear the Founding Fathers did, in fact, leave it up to the individual state legislators. In that case, National Popular Vote org, could, I suppose, indeed convince states to shift over to their plan. But it would still screw the smaller states big time.
(BTW, great book, not-so-great movie.)
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:35:45am |
The Electoral College is fine by me. I would regularize it and appoint members either ex offcio (the Chiefs of the 3 branches in each state) or for larger states for fixed terms of up to 6 years each, staggered like that of Senators. If it was always there it could fill vacancies in an emergency and also serve as a Court of Constitutional Review. That would remove from the SCOTUS the Legislative power that the Judiciary has usrped.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:38:09am |
re: #100 lifeofthemind
Very interesting ideas. Would you regularize it based on existing numbers? (For example, the three branch chiefs and an appointed number to fill out the total - in larger states - for a six year term.)
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Iron Fist Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:39:13am |
re: #87 Joan Not of Arc
Because their support from infanticide is likewise distrubing. The pro-abortion people seem to think "the more, the merrier" on abortion. These same people whined to high heaven when Tookie Williams was executed. Figure that one out.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:39:33am |
re: #61 Hard Right
The left would love to see the EC killed off. The most populous states are rather blue.
That would actually hurt them, since proportional representation would give Republicans in those largely blue states more of a voice in national elections. Giving dems a likewise portion of all the less populous red states in the Heartland would have less of an overall impact, especially without the weighting of the electoral college.
Dems of course don't want to scrap the EC to replace it with a proportional system, but a direct popular vote meaning that half a dozen liberal cities across the country decide everything for all of us.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:41:53am |
re: #103 Scion9
I completely agree with your last paragraph. It would be interesting - if I had the time - to see what the total population of, say, the thirty largest cities would add up to...and if they would be enough to carry the election on their own.
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Kenneth Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:44:47am |
I love this quote from the article:
...if Obama wins on November 4th—and serves one full term in the Oval Office—the Presidency of the United States would be the longest consecutively held full-time job he has ever held without seeking another.
Experience you can rely on!
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lifeofthemind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:46:55am |
re: #101 subsailor68
Very interesting ideas. Would you regularize it based on existing numbers? (For example, the three branch chiefs and an appointed number to fill out the total - in larger states - for a six year term.)
Bubblehead,
Exactly, The strength of the Democratic Party in local politics is a problem for the Republicans. That means that more Republicans have to get busy and serve on local school boards and zoning commissions. The Federal government should be busy locking up corrupt State Legislators. Unfortunately the trend since the Civil War has been to give up on the States as hopelessly corrupt and shift more power either down to popular voting, which strengthens non-governmental factions, parties in the 19th-20th centuries and even more shadowy groups now, or it shifted power up to the Federal government.
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 11:48:34am |
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logboy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:05:12pm |
So Obama thinks that FOX News has hurt him in the polls, saying that even if he watched us, he wouldn't vote for himself either.
Now, I don't think he's wrong. I actually think FOX News does go after him. But hell, someone has to.
For my whole life, every network has been uniformly, heart-bleedingly liberal. Nearly every damn magazine, newspaper and after-school special spits out the same lefty assumptions — rich people greedy, Republicans bad, America evil — as though they are suffering from a Marxist version of Tourette.
And as for you Obama, stop acting like a kid who complains because you got a 98 instead of a perfect grade. Seriously, you don't need mindless obedience from everyone to win.
So Obama, if you're expecting people here to kiss your ass, you'll need to go elsewhere. I hear there's a guy at MSNBC with a thrill up his leg dying to give you a sponge bath.
And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.
And Obama is their guy.
That's why today, every anchor has a woodie for him, and every star-struck pop singer offers the Messiah their services for free. And there's the late night comics, who hammer Republicans seven times more often than Dems. It's just too easy to be funny.
But despite all this, you still have twerps soiling their diapers over FOX News just because it won't comply with an overarching liberal theocracy. You've got celebrity cretins like Tim Robbins, watchdog weenies like Media Matters and crybaby cranks like Keith Olbermann suffering seizures because FOX won't roll over.
I say, stop being a bunch of pussies, you pretty much own the airwaves.
And as for you Obama, stop acting like a kid who complains because you got a 98 instead of a perfect grade. Seriously, you don't need mindless obedience from everyone to win.
So Obama, if you're expecting people here to kiss your ass, you'll need to go elsewhere. I hear there's a guy at MSNBC with a thrill up his leg dying to give you a sponge bath.
And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.
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logboy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:07:36pm |
Crap! I screwed it up during the copy and post. Here's how its supposed to read.
So Obama thinks that FOX News has hurt him in the polls, saying that even if he watched us, he wouldn't vote for himself either.
Now, I don't think he's wrong. I actually think FOX News does go after him. But hell, someone has to.
For my whole life, every network has been uniformly, heart-bleedingly liberal. Nearly every damn magazine, newspaper and after-school special spits out the same lefty assumptions — rich people greedy, Republicans bad, America evil — as though they are suffering from a Marxist version of Tourette.
And Obama is their guy.
That's why today, every anchor has a woodie for him, and every star-struck pop singer offers the Messiah their services for free. And there's the late night comics, who hammer Republicans seven times more often than Dems. It's just too easy to be funny.
But despite all this, you still have twerps soiling their diapers over FOX News just because it won't comply with an overarching liberal theocracy. You've got celebrity cretins like Tim Robbins, watchdog weenies like Media Matters and crybaby cranks like Keith Olbermann suffering seizures because FOX won't roll over.
I say, stop being a bunch of pussies, you pretty much own the airwaves.
And as for you Obama, stop acting like a kid who complains because you got a 98 instead of a perfect grade. Seriously, you don't need mindless obedience from everyone to win.
So Obama, if you're expecting people here to kiss your ass, you'll need to go elsewhere. I hear there's a guy at MSNBC with a thrill up his leg dying to give you a sponge bath.
And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.
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subsailor68 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:23:30pm |
re: #106 lifeofthemind
Good points all. I'm beginning to understand some of the more arcane issues associated with all this. Thanks!
Hey, it takes us bubbleheads some time - but we eventually get there. :-)
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Teacake! Tue, Oct 21, 2008 12:58:51pm |
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]
According to the first article, obama is still an Indonesian citizen, so why isn't this an issue?
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Teacake! Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:01:18pm |
The only good thing to come from his being elected is how soon he will show his true colors and all the little obamites will feel betrayed to the point I believe would cause riots. And after such a sham being exposed the Dems will never be taken seriously by anyone. Hopefully the loonies will learn a great deal from this con artist.
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Joel Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:05:51pm |
Someone please make it stop (the Obama candidacy)
Channeling George Costanza.
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Joel Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:06:50pm |
re: #113 Teacake!
The only good thing to come from his being elected is how soon he will show his true colors and all the little obamites will feel betrayed to the point I believe would cause riots. And after such a sham being exposed the Dems will never be taken seriously by anyone. Hopefully the loonies will learn a great deal from this con artist.
Yes but the country and world will be irredeemably harmed by Obama.
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Son of the Black Dog Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:09:25pm |
re: #113 Teacake!
The only good thing to come from his being elected is how soon he will show his true colors and all the little obamites will feel betrayed to the point I believe would cause riots. And after such a sham being exposed the Dems will never be taken seriously by anyone. Hopefully the loonies will learn a great deal from this con artist.
The loony left will be thrilled with him. What I believe is that when Obama shows his true colors the independents and moderate Democrats are going to wonder just what the hell they've done. I predict a very bad case of buyer's remorse, but once the damage to our society has been done it will take a very long time to undo. We're still suffering from things that LBJ and Carter did.
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wolf Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:19:09pm |
After viewing this, I just can't see why anyone would think this man should be our president. I am completely amazed at this country that Obama is even within 15 points of John McCain. The media will be solely to blame when he places a lid on the First Amendment.
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Joan Not of Arc Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:25:31pm |
Silhouette, Iron Fist
Oh, I see. Swallowing one's pride in lieu of killing children is not better for the country.
What the hell do people even see in Obama that they would allow this?
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Pepper Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:26:57pm |
re: #61 Hard Right
Electoral College is here to stay so long as a diverse state demographic exists. It is the only thing that ensure representation to the smaller states. We would be controlled by the belief and value systems of urban dwellers. It is a somewhat adversarial counterbalance to domination of one area over another in this republic.
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Ron Shaw Tue, Oct 21, 2008 1:32:24pm |
Excellent material!
But, many more examples could be added to the list.
To think, by and large, this is material the MSM has refused and continues to refuse to cover. If not for alternate new stream media from 'blogs' and Fox's coverage it would be a total unobstructed cakewalk into the White House.
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Arbalest Tue, Oct 21, 2008 2:02:38pm |
The Hot Air article represents a major, jurassic-level, pounding of BHO.
Recently, I’ve found managed to cause a few undecideds and weakly-decideds to strongly reconsider their position with a simple: “My resume and your resume show more and better qualifications for the job of President than Obama’s. Why should I vote for Obama instead of me?”.
The Hot Air article does this very much better. I'm sending it to a couple of other weakly-decideds that I know.
Perhaps CNBC, Fox and others should also get copies. How about some radio time?
Any chance of getting the McCain Campaign to use the audio portion of several of the better videos on radio? Radio time is cheaper than TV time, and I suspect that very many people will listen in the privacy of their cars.
But the botom line is: vote for McCain on Tuesday, November 04, 2008. Anything else is a vote for Obama.
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Speaking of "jurassic-level", has the poster "JurassicSlapAss" ever appeared?
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Line 53 Character 3 on the front page causes me to have to click a popup about 150 times. I use IE7.0.5730.11. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Dartmouth Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:04pm |
I was really hoping they would have put these clips under a Hot Air account so we don't see them go down the memory hole...
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HillJack Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:22pm |
Man this is good stuff! I can't stop reading it! Sending the link to all my friends and family.
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kahall Tue, Oct 21, 2008 6:27:21pm |
It took me about half an hour to go through it all but it is indeed comprehensive. Wow! Don't forget to give it a buzz from Hot Air, it is on the front page and it needs to stay there.
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ugetwhatuputout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 8:34:29pm |
A national day of protest MUST be organized to send a powerful message about the manipulative and dismissive media. HOW DO WE MAKE IT HAPPEN?
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Ron Shaw Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:10am |
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and the DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed "ADMITTED." Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.
OBAMA - Admitted:
1. I was born in Kenya. 2. I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii. 4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya. 6. My mother's maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website "Fightthesmears.com" is a forgery. 8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia. 10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii. 12. I was not born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii. 14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the "Oath of Allegiance" to regain my U.S. Citizenship status. 16. I am not a "natural born" United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961. 18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan. 20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country. 22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan. 24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a "natural born" United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage. 26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name. 28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name. 30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth. 32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed. 34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia. 36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a "natural born" United States citizen.
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Ron Shaw Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:25am |
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States. 38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya. 40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth. 42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a "Naturalized" United States Citizen. 44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a "vault" (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii. 46. My "vault" (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses. 48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me. 50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama. 52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro. 54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office. 56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.
DNC - Admitted:
1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.
2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama. 3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.
4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama's eligibility to serve as President of the United States. 5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a "natural born" United States citizen.7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.
8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama's citizenship status.
9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.
10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.
11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.
12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States. 13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee's Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama's ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.
14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States. 15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.
16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from. 17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.
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Ron Shaw Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:01am |
18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates. 19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a "natural born" United States citizen.
20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.
22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.
24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a "natural born" citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff's rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a "natural born" citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff's rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.
26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen's interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans. 27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama's Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.
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Optimizer Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:02am |
re: #126 Ron Shaw
If only it were this easy. Don't you know the law doesn't apply to Democrats or minorities?
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Optimizer Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:03am |
re: #119 Pepper
Electoral College is here to stay so long as a diverse state demographic exists. It is the only thing that ensure representation to the smaller states. We would be controlled by the belief and value systems of urban dwellers. It is a somewhat adversarial counterbalance to domination of one area over another in this republic.
I have two problems with the Electoral College system:
1) The states don't divide up their electoral votes via popular vote within them. The predominant "winner take all" policy disenfranchises voter in the minority party in states - sometimes for generations. Heck, I'd even be happier if they apportioned all but two electoral college votes (the ones corresponding to the number of senators, who are elected "at large") in each state that way.
2) The electors in the Electoral College should not be actual people. Sometimes these people do not vote the way they are supposed to, and that could potentially throw an election someday, causing a Constitutional crisis. But, hey - we don't believe in pre-emptively dealing with crises, anyway, do we?
On the whole, though, I good with it. Part of the deal when the states signed up for the Union was that the states with small populations would have certain protections from those with large populations. The Electoral College system was part of that deal. That's just basic civics.
Break the deal if you must, but it would only be fair to give states the option to seceed in that event. See what that does for you...
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Optimizer Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:31:10am |
As to the tread subject (now that it's already pretty dead), I would break off the "Update II" into a category of its own - "National Security", and add just one more section: "Energy". It's an excellent piece, but I can scarely believe these two crucial topics have been neglected.
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Ron Shaw Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:38am |
re: #129 Optimizer
If only it were this easy. Don't you know the law doesn't apply to Democrats or minorities?
Thanks, Optimizer, I had a senior moment immersed in the old America which remains the America I know, I knew and I hope to know in the future...and I forgot.
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