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Eowyn2 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:20pm |
at lunch time, big brown pickup drove by and honked (have no idea who it was) but the tailgate was one big NOBAMA sign
i think it was one of my son's friends
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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:22pm |
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opnion Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:58pm |
As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.
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Eowyn2 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:03pm |
re: #1 Occasional Reader
greetings.
how is the construction of the SE lizard cave going? Anyone suspicious yet
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:24pm |
re: #1 Occasional Reader
Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?
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opnion Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:42pm |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:47pm |
Hoax anthrax letters sent to 30 US banks.
So everyone who's been inveighing against "Wall Street greed" will be blamed for this, right?
[crickets]
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Chris in Toronto Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:04pm |
I’ve got a piece up about Powell’s endorsement of Obama. It’s long, so here’s a teaser and the link:
“Our metaphoric John Galts are speaking up!
On politico, of all places, there is a rough 60/40 “pro-McCain” opinion split (as judged by me, dammit after reading the first 100 comments) calling a big “bullsh*t” on Powell’s statement that his decision has nothing to do with race.
My first instinct, too, was to call this bullsh*t.
Thinking a bit harder about it though opens some interesting lines of thought. If we examine our list of assumptions about Colin Powell, what explains a political calculus that ends up with an Obama endorsement? ”
For the rest:
http://web.me.com/chris_nicholson/Site/desmondiswa tching/Entries/2008/10/20_John_Galt_and_Colin_Powe ll.html
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:29pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?
I actually had an empty exit row seat next to me on the way here. A miracle.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:31pm |
Is anyone else listening to Mark Levin? It's been straight commercials since the half hour, so that 23 minutes so far.
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:32pm |
Midday? Where is it noon? Is Charles in Hawaii?
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:09pm |
Damn, NBC Nightly News just trotted out and took ten minutes explaining their own shameless propaganda poll. It seems Lord President For Life Obama has an insurmountable ten point lead, wipes out McCain in every internal category, and Sarah Palin is bad, very bad, no one likes her.
/oh and the Bonkeys will get a veto proof Senate for sure, Republicans may as well just give up now, because this election is obviously over
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Eowyn2 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:15pm |
re: #4 opnion
As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.
you have to understand the way these pageants work. Jane Doe might have been born and raised in Atlanta but she can still enter Delaware's pageant if she is in school there for x many months or something. Many of the women who win state pageants are professional pageant partakers.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:31pm |
re: #8 opnion
He's everywhere.
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
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joekowalski247 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:58pm |
re: #13 Silhouette
Midday? Where is it noon? Is Charles in Hawaii?
he's windsurfing with barak and john kerry
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:04pm |
re: #15 Eowyn2
you have to understand the way these pageants work. Jane Doe might have been born and raised in Atlanta but she can still enter Delaware's pageant if she is in school there for x many months or something. Many of the women who win state pageants are professional pageant partakers.
Kinda like Hillary going to NY to run for senate.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:04pm |
re: #12 jemima
Is anyone else listening to Mark Levin? It's been straight commercials since the half hour, so that 23 minutes so far.
One of the reasons I just can't listen to conservative radio.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:19pm |
re: #11 Occasional Reader
Wow, impressive. Buy a lottery ticket, maybe it's your luck day.
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Eowyn2 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:11pm |
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opnion Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:12pm |
re: #16 Occasional Reader
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
They sing of him now! Very creepy.
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jamie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:23pm |
A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...
NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42
Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38
ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44
So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?
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Dianna Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:28pm |
For a wonder, I appear to be safely online. Still. After a couple reboots, even.
Now, I take my leave.
Take care, lizards!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:28pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
Wow, impressive. Buy a lottery ticket, maybe it's your luck day.
Nah, I was also on the waitlist for an upgrade, and didn't get it. So my luck could be better.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:37pm |
#19
I wonder if ABC just turned him off while he was hitting Barack Milhous Nobama pretty hard.
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Eowyn2 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:58pm |
re: #16 Occasional Reader
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
will he be wearing a Waldo hat?
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:57:07pm |
re: #23 jamie
10 point difference? I have a hard time buying that.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:00pm |
re: #23 jamie
A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...
NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?
/Bush was down by 11 at this time four years ago
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:18pm |
I'm surprised anyone here pays any attention to the polls since they are oversampling dems to begin with.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:32pm |
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:40pm |
After the Biden "international crisis" comment, Albright's "statement of fact" remark and Franks yapping about raising taxes, I am starting to wonder if they are trying to warn the public, sort of send up flares. I thought Jesse Jackson's zionist comments in Evian was peculiar, why would he telegraph a policy that would scare away many voters? But it makes sense if these people are a bit afraid of Obama too and need to "get the word out" without seemeing to deliberately undermine him.They may want to look supportive so they don't reap the negative whirlwind of going against Obama.
All these policy gaffes are either sabotage or severe overconfidence
Since I killed the last thread, I brought this along from it
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:01pm |
re: #23 jamie
I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:48pm |
#32
Why would they warn us? We're useless eaters. The deader the better.
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Soona' Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:52pm |
re: #16 Occasional Reader
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
{...as they raise their hands to the sky.}
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thedude Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:03pm |
anyone print up a couple of the Sarah posters from the earlier posting on LGF and glue them up at your favorite BHO hangouts?...someone needs to do a photoshop of the poster and replace the despicable image of Sarah with BHO...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:03pm |
re: #26 jemima
#19
I wonder if ABC just turned him off while he was hitting Barack Milhous Nobama pretty hard.
I suspect they lost the feed on his end (or your local station lost the feed). Either way, your local station will try to fill with commercials until they can get the feed back.
They may go to tape (well, really digital now a days) soon if they can't get the feed. Repeat of something.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:18pm |
re: #24 Dianna
For a wonder, I appear to be safely online.
How do you know you're safely online?
Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.
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Jamie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:52pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.
Really? Everything I've seen says best case scenario for the Dems is 59, and that's if they keep every lead that's currently w/in the margin of error.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:55pm |
re: #33 Killgore Trout
I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.
We don't need any of that conceding around here!
/
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:18pm |
re: #36 Sharmuta
Hillbuzz finally linked directly to LGF.
Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:28pm |
#38
Hi Walter. ABC is the flagship station, that's what I'm listening to via the net.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:36pm |
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Jamie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:45pm |
re: #29 Killian Bundy
/Bush was down by 11 at this time four years ago
I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:58pm |
re: #43 jemima
#38
Hi Walter. ABC is the flagship station, that's what I'm listening to via the net.
So, you are getting commercials from ABC?
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DisgustingOratory Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:01pm |
Guys, make sure you don't refer to Obama as "socialist". It has been determined this is racist.
[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]
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Globular Cluster Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:09pm |
Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:15pm |
re: #39 Occasional Reader
How do you know you're safely online?
Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.
I think something is crouching inside my computer at home. I have to delete the same files every time I start up. Wish I could afford more anti-spyware.
(Where's my free government PC health insurance, anyway?/)
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:21pm |
re: #30 jemima
Speaking of airports, I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone, and it relates what it considers to be a false story about Boone's daughter Jemima, but funny nonetheless.
It seems Daniel had been gone extra-long this time, about two years, and when he came home, Rebecca had a new baby. He asked whose it was and she said his brother's. He said not to worry about it, he had Indian wives and the kid was a Boone anyway.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:35pm |
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:56pm |
#46
Yes, WABC in NYC had about 25 min. of commercials straight, no Mark at all. He's back now with no explanation.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:57pm |
re: #4 opnion
As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.
She is an Obama suppoter.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:03pm |
Forget the Dems, or even the Go'auld. Here come the Replicators.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:04pm |
Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?
I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.
Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.
I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.
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joekowalski247 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm |
"The Government is a group of people largely ungoverned"
-Firefly was a good show-
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm |
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wolfie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm |
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:42pm |
re: #42 SpartanWoman
Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose
Could not agree more. I said it last night: Obama makes Hill look competent and personable.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:49pm |
re: #48 Globular Cluster
Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?
No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.
We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.
Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).
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Soona' Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:04:39pm |
re: #45 Jamie
I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.
Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:04:50pm |
re: #50 Silhouette
Speaking of airports, I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone,
Did he spend a lot of time in airports?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:14pm |
re: #60 Walter L. Newton
No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.
We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.
Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).
Shit after an IRS audit, there is almost nothing you could do that isn't an improvement!
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:17pm |
#50
Yikes!
Ol Dan was pretty understanding. Of course, I'm not sure I would have been so jolly about Dan and his squaws.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:29pm |
re: #62 Occasional Reader
Did he spend a lot of time in airports?
Only when he was visiting the East Coast.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:35pm |
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bosforus Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:49pm |
re: #61 Soona'
Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?
They're not polls. They're poLLLs.
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:12pm |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:24pm |
On to the next flight.
Behave, y'all.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:29pm |
re: #61 Soona'
Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?
The MSM was much less biased in 2004. The level of rage against Palin is unprecedented, IMO
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:06pm |
re: #23 jamie
Interestingly enough, you can't get to the pdf of the NBC poll to look at the internal numbers.
What is fascinating though is McCain's whopping lead in the ABC poll of people who have previously voted. Looking further, you see of likely voters in this poll, the vast majority of them are not first time voters.
Basically- you can't take these polls at face value. You have to look deeper. When they are polling two to three times as many democrats as they should be, it throws the entire poll off.
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:16pm |
re: #62 Occasional Reader
Did he spend a lot of time in airports?
Missing the all important clause, "I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone in the airport last week."
Dagnabit, I knew what I meant. Why couldn't you?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:20pm |
arethusa's poll average (because I'm sick of RCP throwing into their average once-weekly polls that are RV only or presume unrealistic partisan splits or voter turnout and aren't nearly as good as the daily polls):
Rasmussen Reports Obama +4*
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +8
Hotline/FD 10/18 - 10/20 Obama +6
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +7
IBD/TIPP 10/16 - 10/20 Obama +6*
GWU/Battleground Obama +1*
Starred polls are within the margin of error.
Average: Obama +5.3
There, that made me feel better.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:41pm |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:47pm |
re: #70 SpartanWoman
The MSM was much less biased in 2004. The level of rage against Palin is unprecedented, IMO
Not only rage but irrational,ignorant, and uneducated rage!
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Silhouette Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:17pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.
I'm betting the Romans won.
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Dianna Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:18pm |
re: #39 Occasional Reader
How do you know you're safely online?
Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.
Thank you sooooo much for that happy thought. If, tomorrow morning, I can't get online, I shall blame you.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:38pm |
William McGurn makes a nifty point about Obama's tax "plan":
In most parts of America, getting money back on taxes you haven't paid sounds a lot like welfare. Ah, say the Obama people, you forget: Even those who pay no income taxes pay payroll taxes for Social Security. Under the Obama plan, they say, these Americans would get an income tax credit up to $500 based on what they are paying into Social Security.
Just two little questions: If people are going to get a tax refund based on what they pay into Social Security, then we're not really talking about income tax relief, are we? And if what we're really talking about is payroll tax relief, doesn't that mean billions of dollars in lost revenue for a Social Security trust fund that is already badly underfinanced?
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
It's all part of the Obama sleight of hand called "Making Work Pay," which, ironically enough, will do quite the opposite.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:04pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.
Considering when modern statistical methods were developed, I'd say the polls were actually less accurate 1800 years ago.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:44pm |
re: #55 formercorpsman
Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?
I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.
Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.
I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.
I'd bet my money on the iranians - with help from Russia.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:14pm |
re: #68 nikis-knight
I just noticed that the RCP list is prioritized by "likelihood to switch party". Ouch.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:52pm |
Has anyone noticed what a crock CNN's poll of polls is? They always pick the four that are most favorable to Obama. Today their poll of polls was 9, higher than even RCP.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:52pm |
re: #48 Globular Cluster
Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?
Mediocre, but worth seeing. It has some highly amusing moments.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:01pm |
re: #79 gmsc
Considering when modern statistical methods were developed, I'd say the polls were actually less accurate 1800 years ago.
Not so sure about since the only one voting was usually the Emperor, how much of a math genius did you have to be to tabulate the likely results?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:04pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?
Some airlines still serve food. Except, it isn't anything you'd want to eat.
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:31pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?
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Outrider Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:53pm |
re: #2 Eowyn2
at lunch time, big brown pickup drove by and honked (have no idea who it was) but the tailgate was one big NOBAMA sign
i think it was one of my son's friends
Love it when that happens! That is one of the reasons I put campaign signs out.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:11pm |
Good Evening LGF.
John, stop these robo-ads!
John, stop discussing Barack's character!
- Biden speech
Sure Joe, no problem.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:13pm |
re: #85 David Simon
Some airlines still serve food. Except, it isn't anything you'd want to eat.
If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:32pm |
Okay, it was Bush that was up with two weeks to go in 2004.
/didn't turn out that way
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:01pm |
re: #85 David Simon
After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:18pm |
Want a bit of Sarah Palin thumping Joe Six Term?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:31pm |
re: #87 nikis-knight
Ask Arnold or Jesse Ventura.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:59pm |
re: #92 Killgore Trout
After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?
Yeah, like they'd give a shit about kids and other living creatures?
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spidly Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:02pm |
well, balls
Fox News' Brit Hume signs off on top
12:01a ET October 20, 2008 (MarketWatch)
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Fox News Channel anchor Brit Hume, who has announced his retirement from television news after three decades, concedes that not even he can always get it right.Hume, who has been covering presidential races since the 1970s, noted that he shrugged off all of the parlor-game talk before John McCain named his running mate on Aug. 29.
"It wouldn't make a particle of difference," Hume recalled thinking at the time. "The least interesting question of the year was who John McCain would choose."
Famous last words. Enter charismatic Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and overnight, all bets were off as Palinmania initially swept the nation.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:15pm |
Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.
The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.
I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:17pm |
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:19pm |
re: #87 nikis-knight
I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?
He was only up 3 in today's Minnesota Poll. Within the MOE. And the poll noticed that a good deal of the Independent candidate's support might desert him. I only hope they desert him for Coleman, not Franken.
Someone said a few months back that the bitterest pill we might have to swallow on Election Night would be Al Franken's elevation to the US Senate. Bleah.
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:25pm |
re: #90 Nevergiveup
If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?
Nope, having low standards can be a great thing. You're smiling when others are grimacing.
Of course, that doesn't apply to everything.
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Outrider Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:34pm |
re: #16 Occasional Reader
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
I'd like to hear ten years from now, "Whatever happened to that Obama guy?"
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:34pm |
re: #87 nikis-knight
I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?
REally stupid people deserve what they get.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:51pm |
re: #91 Killian Bundy
Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:08pm |
re: #67 bosforus
They're not polls. They're poLLLs.
Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:34pm |
re: #98 formercorpsman
Why?
Do you have any specific assumptions?
Just thinking about this Somali hijacking of the Iranian boat that made the pirates sick. I think it was dirty...
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:34pm |
re: #90 Nevergiveup
If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?
Nope. Find out whatever it is that makes you like it and patent it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:14pm |
Polls all come down to the weighing they employ, and they admit to doing it.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:17pm |
re: #23 jamie
A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...
So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?
Why you assume the polls are even close to accurate?
In terms of party strategy, like any campaign, you concentrate your resources where you believe they will be most effective.
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:17pm |
re: #4 opnion
As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.
Yeah, but she got Miss Congeniality.
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:24pm |
re: #97 DistantThunder
Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.
The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.
I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.
I don't fly much, but I'm 6'6" and the guy/gal in front of me always reclines their seat at some point. Even though it is touching my knees to begin with.
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:29pm |
heh ... a lady from the alphabet soups in DC who has been trying to get me to read Kos for years now just sent this ...
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Bob - Thanks for sending me this......
Nobama, Nobama, Nobama..............
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I had sent her this "The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama" earlier.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:32pm |
re: #90 Nevergiveup
If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?
I like it too. I figure that equips us well for a potential Obama administration. :-)
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:34pm |
re: #104 jetprop
Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.
And he's right.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:51pm |
Hey, Lizards
My personal up-to-the-minute MAGNOLIA poll:
McCain 1
Obama 0
McCain up by 1 !
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:09pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.
But people don't understand why the oversampling of Democrats to Republicans and if it is based on ratio of number of democrats registered to number of republicans - and a massive amount of fraudulent votes have been submited as democrats, not to mention the people who re-registered during operation Chaos as democrats - it would skew the polls.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:21pm |
re: #92 Killgore Trout
After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?
Not as well as investing in a good set of noise-cancelling headphones.
How was your trip, by the way? Safari, or something else?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:40pm |
re: #90 Nevergiveup
If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?
Your mother-in-law must be a great cook.
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jeremy0114 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:18pm |
Well, as long as I am not crossing an ocean, my flight usually leaves when I tell it to, and the only kids on it are my own! And the food? "Where do you want to land for lunch, honey?"
Unless, of course, I have to sell it next year to fulfill my obligation to the poor people in this country who want the American dream too... MY AMERICAN DREAM!
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Soona' Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:24pm |
re: #102 DistantThunder
REally stupid people deserve what they get.
Yea, but the position in question (senate) could spread the stupid all over everyone.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:25pm |
re: #23 jamie
A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...
NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?
but if they are polling the 510 area code this is a bullshit poll
as all are
it's not the number of people you poll
it is the area code you poll
poll the 530 area code for a change, pollster assholes and see what you get
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:27pm |
re: #105 DistantThunder
With respect to that incident, do you think Israel could have had a hand in encouraging the hijackers in that scenario?
When you think about it, it would a superb CO, and not totally off the mark when you consider it was a Nork ship they were following that resulted in the Syrian affair.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:43pm |
re: #55 formercorpsman
Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?
Its probably that the Bush administration has intel about a planned attack on Iran by Israel in the case of an Obama win.
Israel simply can't trust Obama (who doesn't even understand the Jerusalem as capital issue and wants to renege on NAFTA) to do the right thing.
So again, for all his juvenile rhetoric about "unconditional face to face meetings" and "talking with our enemies" electing Obama **INCREASES** the chance of a war with Iran, not decreases it.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:50pm |
re: #115 DistantThunder
But people don't understand why the oversampling of Democrats to Republicans and if it is based on ratio of number of democrats registered to number of republicans - and a massive amount of fraudulent votes have been submited as democrats, not to mention the people who re-registered during operation Chaos as democrats - it would skew the polls.
I meant to say a massive number of fraudulent registrations have been submitted it would alter the ratios.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:58pm |
re: #97 DistantThunder
Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.
The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.
I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.
I hear ya DT been there done that..
But really..after 9-11 the 50 dollar offer is off limits..
We have all had bad flight.I've got some whoopers to tell you..
You have mr. DT safe and at home tonight...
You are a blessed woman...
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joncelli Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:28pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
It takes 60 to invoke cloture, so the GOP needs to retain 41 seats. It'll be close.
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:35pm |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:54pm |
re: #118 Spare O'Lake
Your mother-in-law must be a great cook.
My mother-in-law has Alzheimers and lives with us, that is why I joined the Navy! And she couldn't cook in her better days. Hell now she has trouble remembering to close the bathroom door. And people think I am only drinking more because of this election.
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Perplexed Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:16pm |
re: #87 nikis-knight
I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?
No, just the liberal turds (yes I know that is redundant) up in the Twin Cities.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:19pm |
media uses race card again
[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:52pm |
re: #117 Sharmuta
You flipped an 0bamabot?
? she used to be so left we could only communicate professionally. Who knows? Maybe the final straw?
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jonturner Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:54pm |
Koz Kidz are nutz:
What if Obama really is the Second Coming of Christ?
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Wait a second, I thought Christians were the greatest enemy to freedom/peace/etc the world has ever seen? Suddenly, religion is a good thing? I just can't keep up with these liberal memes.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:57pm |
re: #110 nikis-knight
I don't fly much, but I'm 6'6" and the guy/gal in front of me always reclines their seat at some point. Even though it is touching my knees to begin with.
I read in one of the travel magazines that there's a device you can purchase that will clip on to your tray table and make it impossible for the asshole in front of you to do that.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:09pm |
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves
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Shay4l Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:15pm |
re: #55 formercorpsman
Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?
I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.
Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.
I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.
And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:24pm |
re: #122 formercorpsman
With respect to that incident, do you think Israel could have had a hand in encouraging the hijackers in that scenario?
When you think about it, it would a superb CO, and not totally off the mark when you consider it was a Nork ship they were following that resulted in the Syrian affair.
No doubt Israel is working counter on this.....all this pirate activity is a little too surprising just as things are heating up with Iran.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:11pm |
Did any of the dinosaur media ever print a retraction for the bullshit 'kill him'! story at a McCain rally from earlier this month?
/didn't think so
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:18pm |
re: #125 HoosierHoops
I hear ya DT been there done that..
But really..after 9-11 the 50 dollar offer is off limits..
We have all had bad flight.I've got some whoopers to tell you..
You have mr. DT safe and at home tonight...
You are a blessed woman...
He's not home - he's up playing the rain teaching a scout class to some military guys.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:33pm |
re: #123 looking closely
Yes, that is definitely one aspect that has been running in my mind specifically because the examples you cite.
I am positive Israel has rock solid intel about that situation, and is making serious preparations.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:41pm |
re: #138 DistantThunder
He's not home - he's up playing the rain teaching a scout class to some military guys.
Playing in the rain...
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:52pm |
Yeah- some of the polling this year was real on top of the ball!
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:59pm |
re: #137 Fenway_Nation
Did any of the dinosaur media ever print a retraction for the bullshit 'kill him'! story at a McCain rally from earlier this month?
/didn't think so
Hey, by the way, anyone missing Manny up there?
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Adrenalyn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:08pm |
re: #133 David Simon
I read in one of the travel magazines that there's a device you can purchase that will clip on to your tray table and make it impossible for the asshole in front of you to do that.
airlines will no longer let you use them
FYI - get an exit row seat
more legroom
the seat in front CANNOT be reclined
side note to Charles
I still get kicked to the home page when hitting quote, reply, ding, etc.... (half the time)
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big L Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:32pm |
52 and 46-- Listen to Mark Levin on the Internet. It is On his site , The Mark Levin show .com IT takes 7o min to run thru it and yo can back up to re-hear something.
Avail about an hr after his show airs at his home station.
You can tell if the date is red hyperlink it is ready to go.
Free, listen any time.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:34pm |
re: #134 Adrenalyn
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves
You obviously have never met my wife...
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ibmkeyboard Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:57pm |
re: #123 looking closely
Its probably that the Bush administration has intel about a planned attack on Iran by Israel in the case of an Obama win.
Israel simply can't trust Obama (who doesn't even understand the Jerusalem as capital issue and wants to renege on NAFTA) to do the right thing.
Gas will be 2 bucks a gallon.
Attack Iran,
probably go to 6-8 dollars gallon.
Israel needs to kick their ass.
We need to pump their oil.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:03pm |
Zogby had 0bama by +13% in Cali! Actual result- Clinton by 9.6!
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:08pm |
re: #128 Nevergiveup
My mother-in-law has Alzheimers and lives with us, that is why I joined the Navy! And she couldn't cook in her better days. Hell now she has trouble remembering to close the bathroom door. And people think I am only drinking more because of this election.
OOOOPS, sorry.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:13pm |
re: #141 Sharmuta
Yeah- some of the polling this year was real on top of the ball!
Thanks I needed that. It's this year's pollster stupidity that gives me strength
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:29pm |
re: #134 Adrenalyn
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves
Nice post.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:47pm |
re: #132 jonturner
Don't they throw the term "Christofascist around pretty loosely"?
They missed the comet.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:21pm |
re: #132 jonturner
Koz Kidz are nutz:
What if Obama really is the Second Coming of Christ?
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]Wait a second, I thought Christians were the greatest enemy to freedom/peace/etc the world has ever seen? Suddenly, religion is a good thing? I just can't keep up with these liberal memes.
Ok, so them making this point is actually a powerful argument for him being the anti-christ. LOL - Just kidding. Just wait till those poll numbers drop through the floor in 6 months. The Kos Kidz are going to seriously need all that free health care.
Part of me has a sadistic desire to see him as president only to see the left traumatized by reality.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:23pm |
re: #135 Shay4l
What strikes me about the international crisis is that it sounds like Biden already knows what the response will be. And he thinks it will look wrong to Obama supporters. So...*puts rose-colored glasses on*...it suggests The One might actually have to use hard power to solve it.
*takes rose-colored glasses off*...or he won't, Israel will be destroyed, and Democratic voters sympathetic to Israel will be furious.
Who was Biden's audience? What constituencies did it represent? Why would they think it was the wrong decision? That might help find an answer.
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bosforus Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:25pm |
re: #104 jetprop
Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.
They demoralize me no more than just the thought of an Obama administration, which is an idea we've all been demoralized by for the past year.
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:31pm |
re: #144 Sharmuta
Then you Rock!
Why - thank you. I have been a bit aggressive and relentless with my mail list. Several have asked to be removed in the past month.
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Sylvester_T_Cat Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:36pm |
Charles, the LGF Search function is slightly borked. (Been watching for an open thread to explain this as best I can ;-)). Here's the problem:
When you select "more options" and enter a search word (I try to keep up with a couple of Lizards and what they're saying overnight), the next thing that pops up is a slick calendar to help with entering search dates.
Right now the calendar feature mostly isn't working. Can't enter dates manually either. ("Mostly" means, you can do a first search on some entry... which searches all entries from LGF day one, takes forever ;-), then suddenly after that first search, the calendar thingy starts working for further searches.
It just started doing that a couple of days ago, not a big thing but.... Thanks for all the great things you're doing!
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:36pm |
re: #135 Shay4l
And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.
Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..
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Querent Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:45pm |
re: bobibutu
well done!
(since i pass out the chocolates on Rantburg when we bag an AlQ biggie, i suppose that here on LGF, i'll pass out cupcakes when a lizard manages to enlighten a moonbat!)
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:37pm |
re: #142 Nevergiveup
Hey, by the way, anyone missing Manny up there?
Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?
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Outrider Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:46pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.
That's right. That is why they are all so spot on with each other. No variance there.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:58pm |
Sharmuta, to answer your question from the previous thread;
It's not that they're prepping us for Socialism already. It's just an analysis of data sets. Maybe I'm young and naive. I'll post the prompt later.
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Perplexed Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:00pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..
This is the same woman he threw under the bus for being a typical white racist. The same woman who raised him when his own mother was otherwise occupied. He owes her his life.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm |
David Simon
thank you !
I'd hit the "reply" button
but I am getting tired of having to visit the home page again
and reloading all the comments over and over
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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
Well as much as i dislike
presidentsenator obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..
fixed that...
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..
Amen. Family comes first.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:24pm |
re: #154 arethusa
What strikes me about the international crisis is that it sounds like Biden already knows what the response will be. And he thinks it will look wrong to Obama supporters. So...*puts rose-colored glasses on*...it suggests The One might actually have to use hard power to solve it.
*takes rose-colored glasses off*...or he won't, Israel will be destroyed, and Democratic voters sympathetic to Israel will be furious.
I was just thinking about the same thing, Arethusa! I thought that maybe Israel was planning to attack Iran, and that Obama would side against Israel!
Who was Biden's audience? What constituencies did it represent? Why would they think it was the wrong decision? That might help find an answer.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:24pm |
re: #135 Shay4l
Nice thought, but I don't think that is the way it will play out.
He has actually had a couple of meetings with European leaders recently, and it makes me wonder if he is not trying to garner support in preparation of something foretold.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:06pm |
re: #149 Spare O'Lake
OOOOPS, sorry.
No it's ok. She was the worst cook ever. Shit, she couldn't even make good reservations!
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:09pm |
re: #159 Querent
re: bobibutu
well done!
(since i pass out the chocolates on Rantburg when we bag an AlQ biggie, i suppose that here on LGF, i'll pass out cupcakes when a lizard manages to enlighten a moonbat!)
Thanks - and I am a huge fan of Rantburg!
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:28pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.
Gore may be opening solid lead -- with a caveat
Today's figures -- 51 percent for Gore to 40 percent for Bush -- represents a significant margin for the vice president.
/the only wrong part about it is that it was a month out, not two weeks
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:28pm |
re: #35 Soona'
{...as they raise their hands to the sky.}
.............and they sing this, the new anthem
[Link: www.nmatv.com...]
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:35pm |
I think Nobama refuses to release his medical records because he's been treated for psychological issues in the past (could be related to drug use, too). Just a guess. I can't link to someone smarter than me for you.
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ibmkeyboard Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:38pm |
re: #135 Shay4l
And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.
So Bambi might inherit another major war.
Acorn and get out the Vote will have to register young men for the draft-
good luck with that.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:44pm |
re: #160 Fenway_Nation
Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?
Oh that hurt.
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Querent Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:24pm |
#170
you might have seen me there (usually passing out the chocolates)
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:34pm |
re: #160 Fenway_Nation
Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?
alright smart person. How many more days until Spring Training?
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:38pm |
re: #42 SpartanWoman
Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
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StudSupreme Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:46pm |
I haven't read this whole thread, but if it hasn't been done already, I'd like to open the following topic:
RIGHT NOW, on Yahoo's front page and their news, the AP is frothingly promoting a just released story on one of their Sarah Palin investigations, which is implying that Palin misused her discretionary expenditures in Alaska by taking her kids on official biz trips with her.
I say again: AP SPECIAL INVESTIGATION.
On the same front page of Yahoo, including their News page - THE LEAD STORY is OBAMA'S WONDERFUL SICK GRANDMA.
W H A T
T E H
F * * * ? ? ?
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:49pm |
re: #163 Perplexed
This is the same woman he threw under the bus for being a typical white racist. The same woman who raised him when his own mother was otherwise occupied. He owes her his life.
I agree....
I'll bet..there is a closeness between barry and his nana..We can't see that..
I prefer we keep the attacks political..not personal...
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big L Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:51pm |
Now on cnn, Obmeister is up by ten points! It is the end of the M'Cain campaign. The voters are voting for Obama in the Obama campaign. Whereas the M'Cain supporters are
Are voting against Obama. and cnn says that is bad for a behind runner-up.ANd on and on. Hanging crepe and saying it is the end of the line, looks like it is over.
Also they are joyous over some gaffe that Gov Palin did. and that there is a conflict-of-interest charge in AK waiting for her. Joy! They are so Happy! And Chuck Todd is so pleased that there is all this gloom.
But notice that the topic of Biden comments is being dumped with the above and the Hawaii trip to see his old g'ma.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:03pm |
re: #167 Cast Iron Magnolia
I was just thinking about the same thing, Arethusa! I thought that maybe Israel was planning to attack Iran, and that Obama would side against Israel!
Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:09pm |
re: #45 Jamie
I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.
Its true that Bush was polling ahead this late in the game last cycle.
But the press bias this time around is unprecedented, and there is good reason (including the so-called "Bradley effect") to think that polling is more heavily skewed now.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:24pm |
re: #167 Cast Iron Magnolia
I don't know what happened to my response to you, Arethusa, but it got all conglomerated!
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MrSnuggles Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:51pm |
re: #14 Killian Bundy
They are trying to suppress republican votes, but all they are going to do is make leftists complacent. Why bother to go vote for the savior when he has already won? At least thats what I hope.
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Soona' Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:59pm |
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:08pm |
re: #178 hermeneutics
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
Health care reform is the sine qua non of what she stands for.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:15pm |
re: #165 CynicalConservative
fixed that...
Thanks for the fix! when i wrote that..i could have sworn i wrote a possible presidential..ect..
I hit post and screamed NO! hoping nobody would notice...
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:30pm |
re: #173 jemima
I think Nobama refuses to release his medical records because he's been treated for psychological issues in the past (could be related to drug use, too). Just a guess. I can't link to someone smarter than me for you.
I think the same. Or he smokes way more than we think. Neither are disqualifiers, necessarily, but I think some voters would be put off.
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:51pm |
re: #176 Querent
#170
you might have seen me there (usually passing out the chocolates)
We will have much to discuss come Sunday.
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bcgirl Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:09pm |
yep it was awesome -- she rocked the room, it was so worth taking the morning off
re: #93 Badge of Kaffir Pride
Want a bit of Sarah Palin thumping Joe Six Term?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:18pm |
re: #184 Cast Iron Magnolia
I don't know what happened to my response to you, Arethusa, but it got all conglomerated!
Groupthink! I figured it out, though. ;-)
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nikis-knight Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:38pm |
re: #178 hermeneutics
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
Did they ever give back the White House furniture that left with them? And while I'd take a Clinton endorsement, I really don't want her handing out pardons like her husband was, or appointing supreme court justices. I can sympasize with her getting run over by the Obama bus, and I'm sure she'd be well more moderate than Barak if elected, but that doesn't mean I trust her policy judgement much.
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Shay4l Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:39pm |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..
If his Typical White Grandmother is seriously ill, he should be with her. She raised him.
(Can he be president and care for his ailing grandmother at the same time? Palin haters don't think so.)
Best wishes to his grandmother if she is in failing health.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:51pm |
The lead on Drudge is amusing: "San Fran Weighs Decriminalizing Prostitution"
Now, will this galvanize any voters? I rather doubt it.
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:51pm |
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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:06pm |
re: #188 HoosierHoops
Thanks for the fix! when i wrote that..i could have sworn i wrote a possible presidential..ect..
I hit post and screamed NO! hoping nobody would notice...
no worries, figured it was an honest mistake. Hate when that post button presses itself too soon
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Querent Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:13pm |
#190
oh we will. i'm looking forward to meeting the local lizards -- and i'm bringing the lizard-green cupcakes.
had you planned it to be a pot-luck lizard luncheon?
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:16pm |
What obama failed to appreciate about his grandmother is that as a woman - it is very intimidating to have a large drunk that outweighs you by 2, slobbering all over you and panhandling money - especially if it's happening at a bus stop where you need to stand and weight.
His grandfather should have said: That's horrible, i will go and stand with you or drive you. Obama was not raised with any sense of gallantry or chivalry.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:40pm |
re: #178 hermeneutics
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:41pm |
re: #182 arethusa
Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.
I think the best place to live (if McCain isn't elected) would be Israel. Or, Alaska.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:50pm |
#145
Thanks for the info on the Levin show. I really like him.
Hannity this afternoon was speculating on what this generated crisis will be and what Barry would do that would cause us not to support him.
Sean thought it would be no response and we'd be screaming for payback.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:06pm |
re: #195 nikis-knight
Did they ever give back the White House furniture that left with them? And while I'd take a Clinton endorsement, I really don't want her handing out pardons like her husband was, or appointing supreme court justices. I can sympasize with her getting run over by the Obama bus, and I'm sure she'd be well more moderate than Barak if elected, but that doesn't mean I trust her policy judgement much.
Agreed. She started as a Goldwater Girl ... maybe she'll end her life as a libertarian? Weirder things have happened.
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Badge of Kaffir Pride Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:26pm |
re: #192 bcgirl
yep it was awesome -- she rocked the room, it was so worth taking the morning off
You were there?! I'm jealous.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:31pm |
re: #191 ploome hineni
hi
I wonder which heirloom tomato you would recommend if I were to grow one variety for salad?
Sorry for butting in, but the most delicious heirloom I've ever tasted is Cherokee Purple. Carry on.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:38pm |
re: #179 StudSupreme
I haven't read this whole thread, but if it hasn't been done already, I'd like to open the following topic:
RIGHT NOW, on Yahoo's front page and their news, the AP is frothingly promoting a just released story on one of their Sarah Palin investigations, which is implying that Palin misused her discretionary expenditures in Alaska by taking her kids on official biz trips with her.
I say again: AP SPECIAL INVESTIGATION.On the same front page of Yahoo, including their News page - THE LEAD STORY is OBAMA'S WONDERFUL SICK GRANDMA.
W H A T
T E H
F * * * ? ? ?
Palin's reponse is that the children has been officially invited to participate in the government activity by their hosts.
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bcgirl Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:40pm |
i would be happy to look into a trip to Israel for LGF'ers, i will do it today and have some informatin tomorrow if anyone is interested,,
re: #182 arethusa
Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:43pm |
re: #196 Shay4l
If his Typical White Grandmother is seriously ill, he should be with her. She raised him.
(Can he be president and care for his ailing grandmother at the same time? Palin haters don't think so.)
Best wishes to his grandmother if she is in failing health.
I dinged you up.. I knew you were good people..
The Hoopster
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:35:09pm |
re: #23 jamie
Polls are BS. Ojoe's poll hammer:
1. Polls are public. There are at least 2 people present when a polling question is asked. The Ballot is private.
2. Poll questions can be worded in leading, tricky ways. The ballot is simple.
3. Polls can be used to try and influence the outcome of an election, so the motivation behind them and their reporting is suspect. The ballot is the election.
4. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.
5. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.
6. Only God knows the future anyway.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:35:30pm |
re: #201 DistantThunder
What obama failed to appreciate about his grandmother is that as a woman - it is very intimidating to have a large drunk that outweighs you by 2, slobbering all over you and panhandling money - especially if it's happening at a bus stop where you need to stand and weight.
His grandfather should have said: That's horrible, i will go and stand with you or drive you. Obama was not raised with any sense of gallantry or chivalry.
WAIT Not Weight - I've been alone with 5 children for a week and my brain is fried.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:01pm |
re: #203 Cast Iron Magnolia
I think the best place to live (if McCain isn't elected) would be Israel. Or, Alaska.
Well Israel will be in range of Iranian Nuclear Missiles and Alaska will be in range of future North Korean Nuclear Missiles? I'd go to Israel to die with my people, especially since Sarah is taken.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:42pm |
#189
I would have a problem if Barry was diagnosed as a pathological egomaniac, narcissist and sociopath--which he certainly seems to be. It's one thing to have been depressed and needed Zoloft but what Barry has can't be cured with pharmacology. Maybe he exhibited tendencies while at Columbia or Harvard. (Altho at Harvard would mental problems be so detectable?)
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bcgirl Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:46pm |
re: #206 Badge of Kaffir Pride
You were there?! I'm jealous.
yep and she autographed my pit bull's picture,, (it said pit bull for palin and i put pink lipstick on my dog for it)
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:58pm |
re: #202 SpartanWoman
Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know
Yeah, she sure inverted Winston Churchill's famous quote, didn't she?
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:06pm |
re: #197 hermeneutics
The lead on Drudge is amusing: "San Fran Weighs Decriminalizing Prostitution"
Now, will this galvanize any voters? I rather doubt it.
The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.
"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.
Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:08pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
I did see, though that Michelle is not going to make the trip. She is subbing for the ONE on the trail. Hmmmm
makes one wonder.
Then again, would YOU want Joe Biden in charge for even a little while?
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:12pm |
re: #211 Ojoe
Polls are BS. Ojoe's poll hammer:
1. Polls are public. There are at least 2 people present when a polling question is asked. The Ballot is private.
2. Poll questions can be worded in leading, tricky ways. The ballot is simple.
3. Polls can be used to try and influence the outcome of an election, so the motivation behind them and their reporting is suspect. The ballot is the election.
4. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.
5. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.
6. Only God knows the future anyway.
I had a pollster ask me if I was against the ban on the anti- something or other - it was a triple negative questions - I wrote it down on paper and figured it out and then gave the pollster my response.
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:51pm |
re: #200 Querent
#190
oh we will. i'm looking forward to meeting the local lizards -- and i'm bringing the lizard-green cupcakes.had you planned it to be a pot-luck lizard luncheon?
Kind of a mix - ya wanna cook a steak or chicken for your self - bring it. Wanna bring something to share OK as well. Full BBQ and commercial kitchen good to go.
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:58pm |
re: #214 jemima
#189
I would have a problem if Barry was diagnosed as a pathological egomaniac, narcissist and sociopath--which he certainly seems to be. It's one thing to have been depressed and needed Zoloft but what Barry has can't be cured with pharmacology. Maybe he exhibited tendencies while at Columbia or Harvard. (Altho at Harvard would mental problems be so detectable?)
Many people in leadership positions with those Axis II features. More a trait than a real disorder.
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bcgirl Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:06pm |
re: #217 solomonpanting
Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?
cuz it is cali forn i cation
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:15pm |
re: #213 Nevergiveup
Well Israel will be in range of Iranian Nuclear Missiles and Alaska will be in range of future North Korean Nuclear Missiles? I'd go to Israel to die with my people, especially since Sarah is taken.
Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:25pm |
re: #217 solomonpanting
Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?
San Francisco certainly learned a lot from the AIDS epidemic of which it was the epicenter - now didn't it?
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:29pm |
#191
Ploome, the best heirloom tomato I grow is Grandfather Ashlock. I got it from Carl Ashlock and he got it from his grandfather. It's spectacular. Pink beefsteak. Early, sweet, pumps the tomatoes out all season. I'll be glad to send you some seeds if you want.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:35pm |
To piggyback on Ojoe's Hammer, the polls are actually looking pretty good in spite of teh bias, the wrong partisan ID, etc., etc., etc.,
As said today on another blog:
"Look, it’s been pretty much confirmed that Obama’s own numbers only have him up by two in PA.
Think about what that means…and think about the national implications when you consider that all states are linked together in something of a political spectrum.
Mac may not be behind at all! [I regard this race as a PUSH and I have for a month now.]
As for IBD/TIPP…not bothered. Two huge Obama outliers drop off in the next two days. Reuters/Zogby has two O+10 outlier samples that will drop off tomorrow night/Thurs AM and day after tomorrow/Fri AM. Gallup has had two huge Obama days (today and yesterday). Those will drop off by Friday."
Hedgehog Report
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El Lizardo mejicano Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:02pm |
US intelligence: Iran will be able to build first nuclear bomb by February 2009
[Link: www.debka.com...]
I am sure that the messiah and his friends will be ready to have some tea with them in a heartbeat.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:10pm |
re: #221 Moe Katz
Many people in leadership positions with those Axis II features. More a trait than a real disorder.
Scares the sh*t out of me, especially if the phone is ringing at 0300.
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Querent Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:33pm |
commercial kitchen? yeah, we will be talking... i've been looking for one of those...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:49pm |
Why doesn't the HotAir article talk about Rezko, Odinga, etc?
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Perplexed Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:55pm |
re: #214 jemima
/www.nypost.com/seven/10172008/news/regionalnews/a irport_bomb_134003.htm" target="_blank">Reincarnation?
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The Archivist Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:05pm |
Levin is interviewing Brian Anderson right now, author of A Manifesto for Media Freedom
See [Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]
for info on the book.
Strategy...we need strategy!
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:09pm |
re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia
Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.
We would happy and honored to have you.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:11pm |
re: #204 jemima
Hannity this afternoon was speculating on what this generated crisis will be and what Barry would do that would cause us not to support him.
Sean thought it would be no response and we'd be screaming for payback.
He was talking to Democrats at a fundraiser. So it must be something rich Democrats wouldn't like. (Me, I plan to scream at everything The One does in office.)
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:14pm |
re: #228 smokefire
Scares the sh*t out of me, especially if the phone is ringing at 0300.
I'd rather have the sociopath at 3:00 A.M. than a 'normal' personality. They tend to be unflappable.
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StudSupreme Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:21pm |
re: #208 DistantThunder
Palin's reponse is that the children has been officially invited to participate in the government activity by their hosts.
Wait. Here's what I'm getting at:
The AP is continuing its Pravda - inspired Witch Hunt against Republicans, yet rather than show journalistic integrity by also investigating Ayers, Wright, ACORN or any of another half dozen things on Obama, they write a worshipful fluff piece.
THIS IS EVIL.
How do we keep a free press and yet permit them to violate their sacred trust by choosing sides and suborning/corrupting the political process?
I find myself deeply disturbed, even a bit frightened, by all this. And I'm no sissy - 6'2", 225, not a wimp by any means.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:49pm |
re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia
Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.
....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:55pm |
re: #226 hermeneutics
Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided
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HDrepub Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:35pm |
Today I celebrate four years as a lizard. Charles' treatment of Dan Rather and memogate brought me here on this date in 2004. Thanks for all you do Charles.
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Perplexed Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:39pm |
re: #231 Perplexed
Damned rebellious fingers and link grabbing pc.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:42pm |
re: #237 smokefire
....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.
Almost everyone knows some English in Israel.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:45pm |
re: #230 TheMatrix31
Why doesn't the HotAir article talk about Rezko, Odinga, etc?
So many transgressions, so little time...
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spidly Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:49pm |
re: #148 Sharmuta
Zogby had 0bama by +13% in Cali! Actual result- Clinton by 9.6!
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
here's one to cheer you
for 10/21 national
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Geepers Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:14pm |
Killgore Trout says:
Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around.
Saturday, November 06th, 2004
State Poll Results
#11 - The LA Times Poll. the LA Times made predictions in 6 states, and in 5 Battleground States. Nationally, the LAT had 3 calls right, 3 wrong, and was off by an average of 7.67
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.#10 - Fox News Poll. Fox News made predictions in 6 states, all in Battleground States. The FNP made 3 calls right, and 3 wrong, and was off by an average of 8.33 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.#9 - Quinnipiac University Poll. Quinnipiac made predictions in 5 states, and in 2 Battleground States. The QUP made 4 calls right, and 1 call wrong, and was off by an average of 7.00 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.#8 - American Research Group. ARG made predictions in all 50 states, and in all 14 Battleground States. ARG made 45 calls right, and 5 calls wrong, and was off by an average of 6.84 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.#7 - Strategic Vision. SV made predictions in 11 states, and in 7 Battleground States. SV got 7 calls right, and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 6.27 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.#6 - Zogby. Mr. “John Kerry Will Win” made predictions in 20 states, and in 13 Battleground States. Zogby got 16 calls right, and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 6.10 points
one of his final polls was off by more than 10 points
.#5 - Mason-Dixon. M-D made predictions in 24 states, and in 13 Battleground States. M-D got 23 calls right, and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.75 points
.#4 - CNN/USA Today/Gallup - CUG made predictions in 15 states, and in 12 Battleground States. CUG got 11 calls right and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.33 points.
#3 - Research 2000 - R2K made predictions in 13 states, and in 7 Battleground States. R2K got 12 calls right, and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.15 points.
#2 - A close finish, but number two is Rasmussen Reports. RR made predictions in 33 states, and in 13 Battleground States. RR got all their calls correct, without a single miss, and they were off by an average of 5.82 points. What hurt them was their wide variance of accuracy in support. Three of their final polls were the closest for their state, but another 3 of their final polls were off by more than 10 points. In the Battleground States, RR got all 13 right, and they were off by an average of 4.15 points
.#1 - (drum roll, please) Survey USA. SUSA made predictions in 30 states, and in 9 Battleground States. SUSA got 29 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.70 points. So, why does SUSA win with 29/30, and beat RR take second with 33/33? It comes down to hitting the bullseye. EIGHTEEN of Survey USA’s final polls were the closest for that state, almost twice as many as every other major poll PUT TOGETHER! Also, none of their polls were invalidated for being more than 10 points off. In the Battleground States, SUSA got 8 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.44 points. Three of SUSA’s final polls in Battleground States were the closest for that state, again the best of any poll.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:15pm |
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El Lizardo mejicano Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:35pm |
US intelligence’s amended estimate, that Iran will be ready to build its first bomb just one month after the next US president is sworn in, is disclosed by DEBKAfile’s Washington sources as having been relayed as a guideline to the Middle East teams of both presidential candidates, Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.
The information prompted the assertion by Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph Biden in Seattle Sunday, Oct. 19: “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.”
McCain retorted Tuesday, Oct. 21: “America does not need a president that needs to be tested. I’ve been tested. I was aboard the Enterprise off the coast of Cuba. I’ve been there.”)
DEBKAfile’s military sources cite the new US timeline: By late January, 2009, Iran will have accumulated enough low-grade enriched uranium (up to 5%) for its “break-out” to weapons grade (90%) material within a short time. For this, the Iranians have achieved the necessary technology. In February, they can move on to start building their first nuclear bomb.
US intelligence believes Tehran has the personnel, plans and diagrams for a bomb and has been running experiments to this end for the past two years. The UN International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna last week asked Tehran to clarify recent complex experiments they conducted in detonating nuclear materials for a weapon, but received no answer.
The same US evaluation adds that the Iranian leadership is holding off its go-ahead to start building the bomb until the last minute so as to ward off international pressure to stop at the red line.
This development together with the galloping global economic crisis will force the incoming US president to go straight into decision-making without pause on Day One in the Oval Office. He will have to determine which urgent measures can serve best for keeping a nuclear bomb out of the Islamic republic’s hands - diplomatic or military – and how to proceed if those measures fail.
His knowledge of the challenge colored Sen. Biden’s additional words in Seattle: “Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Israel’s political and military leaders also face a tough dilemma that can no longer be put off of whether to strike Iran’s nuclear installations militarily in the next three months between US presidencies before the last window closes, or take a chance on coordination with the next president.
Waiting for the “international community” to do the job of stopping Iran, as urged by governments headed by Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert - and strongly advocated Tzipi Livni, foreign minister and would-be prime minister - has been a washout. Iran stands defiantly on the threshold of a nuclear weapon.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:37pm |
re: #226 hermeneutics
Also, CNN ran a story earlier that Ed Rendell, Gov. of PA, is worried about PA and wants Obama to come back and campaign there some more. Rendell is a pretty blunt guy, usually if he says something he means it.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:38pm |
re: #237 smokefire
....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.
There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.
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Chris in Toronto Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:55pm |
re: #48 Globular Cluster
I saw it last night. I thought it hilarious, however clumsy in some spots. Overall, I'd give it 4/5. But I have a bent sense of humour.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:15pm |
Our church leaders in Salt Lake say it's going to be a very bumpy ride and have been telling us to get prepared for the last 2 years.
We have a year's supply of food, and other ....things. We have a stable water supply as we sit on top of the purest aquifer in the US - in south Jersey - like 13 trillion gallons, part of the Wharton state forest.
We are in a position to pick up and evacuate if we have to OR
shelter in place and self-quarrantine.
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jemima Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:21pm |
#221
Most pols have an unhealthily big ego but I can't remember one lately who thought he was the messiah/the one. You get into the real freaks and dangerous guys when the pathology is that severe.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:23pm |
re: #238 Sharmuta
Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided
Good news! And did you see in the text where it said the undecided will break for McCAin 4:1? I think it may be higher than that, personally. Anyone who has decided to support Obama already has -- the rest are simply unwilling to declare their vote for McCain.
MCCAIN WINS, Reptiles. He really does.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:43pm |
re: #239 HDrepub
Today I celebrate four years as a lizard. Charles' treatment of Dan Rather and memogate brought me here on this date in 2004. Thanks for all you do Charles.
in that case and in that vein...........this is for you
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:49pm |
re: #219 DistantThunder
I have always refused to answer any poll on the grounds that it is not good for the country. as it discourages people to think for themselves and instead encourages group-think.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:51pm |
re: #116 David Simon
It was an Island vacation to Mautitius (NE of Madagascar). Very nice and relaxing. Lots of fish dinners.
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:28pm |
re: #248 Cast Iron Magnolia
There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.
There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:33pm |
re: #248 Cast Iron Magnolia
There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.
Cornbread and peas are not allowed north of Beersheva!
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:38pm |
re: #237 smokefire
....then make some room in the suitcase for me then.
I'll come too.
This election, I'm always thinking of that Chinese saying, "May you live in interesting times." Wonder why?/
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:53pm |
re: #238 Sharmuta
Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided
I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:04pm |
re: #256 Moe Katz
There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.
bring your own shade and water
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DisgustingOratory Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:13pm |
re: #183looking closely
I doubt how real the Bradley effect is, except that it will be the big excuse when all the polls are proven wrong.
They use a lot of bogus premises when the "weight" their data- and the assumption that it will be as cool as declaring "Obama!" on the phone when it comes to waiting in line at the polls I believe to be the big flaw. If the American Idol vote was held at polling places, turnout would be pretty low- and that's the exact same group we're talking about.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:25pm |
re: #247 arethusa
Also, CNN ran a story earlier that Ed Rendell, Gov. of PA, is worried about PA and wants Obama to come back and campaign there some more. Rendell is a pretty blunt guy, usually if he says something he means it.
Yes, and wouldn't it just be cake if Murtha lost his seat? After all, he's called Western Pennsylvanians racist and redneck, last week and this.
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Eyes of Blue Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:37pm |
re: #60 Walter L. Newton
No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.
We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.
Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).
Ever notice when you put the word "the" and IRS together it spells theirs?
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:43pm |
re: #241 Nevergiveup
Then I do hope the instructions on the Israeli fire trucks, are in English.
I'll be all set.
They light em
I fight em.
They set um,
I wet em.
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Soona' Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:44pm |
re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia
Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.
Me too.
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:55pm |
re: #262 DisgustingOratory
There will be the "Hussein" effect also. IMHO.
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Perplexed Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:00pm |
re: #260 David Simon
I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?
They vote the lesser of two evils while holding their nose.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:14pm |
re: #178 hermeneutics
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:33pm |
re: #250 DistantThunder
DT -- On another thread, you mentioned that the Mormon Church has publications out on survival skills. Could you send me the URL? Thanks. Blue nic.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:37pm |
re: #265 smokefire
Then I do hope the instructions on the Israeli fire trucks, are in English.
I'll be all set.
They light em
I fight em.They set um,
I wet em.
I thougth it likes peeing, just point and let it go?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:09pm |
re: #257 Sharmuta
Holy Hell! Philadelphia Daily News columnist calls Pennsylvanians "crackers"!
Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:20pm |
re: #236 StudSupreme
Wait. Here's what I'm getting at:
The AP is continuing its Pravda - inspired Witch Hunt against Republicans, yet rather than show journalistic integrity by also investigating Ayers, Wright, ACORN or any of another half dozen things on Obama, they write a worshipful fluff piece.
THIS IS EVIL.How do we keep a free press and yet permit them to violate their sacred trust by choosing sides and suborning/corrupting the political process?
I find myself deeply disturbed, even a bit frightened, by all this. And I'm no sissy - 6'2", 225, not a wimp by any means.
We need to turn ourselves into a learning organization - the lbogosphere has been critical but it has been only a piece of it. We've been blindsided by the ACORN insurgency - and shocked by the Vichy conservatives that have turned on us. Our biggest problem is that a HUGE portion of the population does not understand prosperty, job creation, and capital. Mitt Romney is a financial genius -and Mike Huckabee mocked him to conservatives on the campaign trail as someone who fires you.
Republicans have to take total responsibility for the economic education of the ppopulation because the leftists in charge of public school will only teach them lies with a desire to enslave them.
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pepper Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:22pm |
re: #10 Chris in Toronto
Read the article on the Powell's Obama endorsement, the simplest reason would be that he chose to do it for personal conviction or gain.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:22pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
It was an Island vacation to Mautitius (NE of Madagascar). Very nice and relaxing. Lots of fish dinners.
I've only seen pictures. Looks like a lovely place. It's a Muslim country, right?
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:31pm |
re: #261 Nevergiveup
bring your own shade and water
wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?
I watch the History Channel too.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:35pm |
re: #269 looking closely
She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.
Then please wear pants.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:18pm |
re: #273 arethusa
Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.
Whining about it means you're racist! ;p
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DistantThunder Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:36pm |
re: #260 David Simon
I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?
I guarantee and I hate to say it but I suspect many of them are women.
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big L Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:52pm |
So why would the USA vote to confine ouselves, all of us, with cheapo-service health plan, or labyrinthine tax raises, taking a trillion dollars from our families, for nothing? Obama and team are going to remove 1 trillion dollars from us. Why would a people voluntarily submit to this. That is exactly what this is: "Submission" from the Islamic rituals. Obama, from whatever study of Muslim tenets is cooking us up like a lobster. A little freedom removed here, somemore there, until we are in "Submission". Isn't there a translation of an islamic word that says 'I submit"?
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wolfie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:52pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
You promised you would tell us about the fish.
Grilled? Baked? Sauces?
What kind of fish?
I love fish.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:53pm |
re: #272 Nevergiveup
use to be, but ever since the Prostate surgery, the old hose just aint what it use to be. LOL
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:59pm |
re: #246 El Lizardo mejicano
McCain served during the Cuban Missile Crisis? I didn't know that.
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thedude Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:00pm |
maybe BHO will take Clinton's recommendation of travel agents for his trip to Hawaii and use the same agent recommended to Ron Brown...
/js
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poopeedoo Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:01pm |
re: #16 Occasional Reader
Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:
"Where is Obama?"
Obama is everywhere.
What? Obama's omniscient, too?
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Geepers Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:19pm |
David Simon (#260),
I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?
The vast majority of people have no interest in politics whatsoever and only decide who they'll vote for in the last two weeks.
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neocon hippie Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:19pm |
Polls are not an attempt to reflect reality; they are an attempt to influence reality.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:22pm |
re: #276 David Simon
They're mostly Indian brought to work in the sugar cane fields. Mostly Hindu, with assorted Christians, Muslims and Buddhists mixed in. Very friendly and shy people.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:55pm |
re: #268 Perplexed
They vote the lesser of two evils while holding their nose.
That's what I'm doing, and to me, the choice is still clear.
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HDrepub Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:56pm |
re: #269 looking closely
She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.
The Rodhams were Republican.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:16pm |
Even the Dems acknowledge that polling sucks:
[Link: dir.salon.com...]
In Georgia, pollsters had predicted Gov. Roy Barnes, the Democrat, would handily beat challenger Sonny Perdue: A Mason-Dixon poll had Barnes leading by 9 points, while one conducted by the Atlanta Constitution had him up by 11. Once the votes were counted, however, it was Perdue beating Barnes by 5 points -- a humiliating 16-point air ball for the pollsters.
They were just as prescient in Colorado, where an MSNBC/Zogby poll had Democratic challenger Tom Strickland trouncing incumbent Sen. Wayne Allard 53 percent to 44 percent. In reality, Allard strolled to a relatively stress-free 5-point win -- a 14-point blunder.
And in Illinois, another Zogby poll had the governor's race pitting Republican Jim Ryan against Democrat Rod Blagojevich as a statistical dead heat -- a finding that was, statistically, dead wrong. Blagojevich won, and Ryan and Zogby lost by 7 percentage points.
The pollsters' numbers were so off the mark that even they were forced to admit the obvious. "There was a lot of bad polling this year," acknowledged Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster. "We blew it," said John Zogby.
Here's another one, from Huffington post, about the ridiculous volatility of the Gallup polls:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Just how volatile where Gallup's results? Here are a few examples:On August 8 Gallup had Bush 2 points ahead of Gore. Six days later, on August 13 they had Bush 16 points ahead. But one week later, on August 20, they had Gore back ahead by one.
The craziness didn't end with the nominating conventions either. On September 21 Gallup had Bush ahead of Gore by 10 points. Four days later, on September 25, Gore was back in the lead by 3. Then on October 5 Gallup had Bush ahead by 11. The next day, on October 6, his lead was down to one, and one day later, on October 7, Gore was ahead by 7.
Here's my favorite. On October 24 Gallup had Gore ahead of Bush by one point. Three days later, on October 27, they had Bush ahead by 13.
In their final pre-election poll Gallup gave Bush a 2 point lead--not too bad since Gore won the popular vote by less than a point. But two days earlier, Gallup had Bush ahead by 5.
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rightymouse Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:22pm |
re: #238 Sharmuta
Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided
Thanks! I've forwarded this link to a friend who is working with McCain's campaign.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:45pm |
re: #258 Nevergiveup
Cornbread and peas are not allowed north of Beersheva!
Uh-oh.........Israel may not even let me in the country! Woe is me.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:52pm |
re: #277 smokefire
wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?
I watch the History Channel too.
I watch the History Channel too.. So far every time I run outside to view UFO's they are never around...
It's a conspiracy I tell you..
/I don't really watch the History channel..
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:39pm |
re: #280 DistantThunder
I guarantee and I hate to say it but I suspect many of them are women.
Oh now you've gone and done it. ;->
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The Archivist Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:48pm |
#259, arethusa
"This election, I'm always thinking of that Chinese saying, 'May you live in interesting times.' Wonder why?/
That's supposed to be a sly curse, I'm pretty sure. And we certainly do living in interesting times!
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:51pm |
re: #277 smokefire
wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?
I watch the History Channel too.
Held is the operative word- no longer. There is a nice cafeteria at the bottom of Masada. But boy what a slep to get a snack!
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:00pm |
re: #273 arethusa
Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.
I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:16pm |
re: #229 Querent
commercial kitchen? yeah, we will be talking... i've been looking for one of those...
Looking forward to meeting ... I did send you map and directions ... yes?
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:32pm |
re: #130 Adrenalyn
media uses race card again
[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]
Is there anything that isn't a code word?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:03pm |
re: #299 mama winger
I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)
We could use more mama wingers. :-)
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:21pm |
re: #291 HDrepub
The Rodhams were Republican.
She's a Clinton now.
Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.
Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.
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mama winger Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:28pm |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:36pm |
re: #294 Cast Iron Magnolia
Uh-oh.........Israel may not even let me in the country! Woe is me.
Actually I met a nice southern girl in Northern Israel once. Way south like from mexico and she was Jewish also! I was in love.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:36pm |
re: #256 Moe Katz
There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.
Sounds like the perfect place for us!
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Querent Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:47pm |
300
i've got the local area map -- have to check to see if you've sent an update and if how to get to said local area from a major freeway is included.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:54:28pm |
re: #304 mama winger
Be careful what you wish for - LOL
I am..
Need more mamawingers!
good evening..
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:01pm |
re: #287 Geepers
David Simon (#260),
The vast majority of people have no interest in politics whatsoever and only decide who they'll vote for in the last two weeks.
The undecided vote is probably less than ten percent now. This is a very hot, politicized race. All have taken sides.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:14pm |
re: #298 Nevergiveup
I hear you. Better half (the Jewish half), took one look at the cable car run from the ground to the top, and said 3 words NO F***ING WAY.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:46pm |
I'm so excited. I just got here. Saw the "Joe the Bummer" thread a couple flights down. I called Biden "Joe the Bummer" yesterday morning.
So, I am going to take credit for the nic.
It means absolutely nothing (except to me) and I am sure that nobody cares (except for me) and I showed it to my wife and she called me an idiot (which I am). So...
Yay Me!
Ok, enough of that, I'm hungry. Anybody got anything to eat?
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:04pm |
re: #273 arethusa
Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.
Hey, don't complain - you could be a *gasp* "Mississippian"
/
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:04pm |
re: #273 arethusa
Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.
There is a contact form at the end of that piece, I used it. I am tired of being called racial names one minute and a racist the next.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:11pm |
re: #299 mama winger
I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)
Did I forget to mention that one of our baseball teams is really good? ;-)
(Well, this year, anyway.)
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Killian Bundy Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:26pm |
Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black
The "socialist" label that Sen. John McCain and his GOP presidential running mate Sarah Palin are trying to attach to Sen. Barack Obama actually has long and very ugly historical roots.
J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI from 1924 to 1972, used the term liberally to describe African Americans who spent their lives fighting for equality.
/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:30pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
They're mostly Indian brought to work in the sugar cane fields. Mostly Hindu, with assorted Christians, Muslims and Buddhists mixed in. Very friendly and shy people.
Ah damn; I was thinking of Mauritania. Anyway, I hope to see both places one day.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:42pm |
re: #246 El Lizardo mejicano
US intelligence’s amended estimate, that Iran will be ready to build its first bomb just one month after the next US president is sworn in, is disclosed by DEBKAfile’s Washington sources as having been relayed as a guideline to the Middle East teams of both presidential candidates, Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.
Unfortunately, anything that comes from Debka is automatically suspect.
That site is fun to read, but its pure propaganda.
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poopeedoo Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:43pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.
Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:53pm |
re: #310 smokefire
I hear you. Better half (the Jewish half), took one look at the cable car run from the ground to the top, and said 3 words NO F***ING WAY.
Well you can walk or run up either the snake trial or the roman ramp.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:22pm |
re: #312 Cast Iron Magnolia
............and just think if the Phillies win the WS.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:44pm |
re: #282 wolfie
They have a lot of Marlin there. They smoke it, very tasty. They also like to take a piece of fish with curry spices, ginger and wrap it in a banana leaf with some rice. Very good street food. There's a lot of french influence so the restaurants serve as creole grilled fish thing with a tomato sauce. Baked fish with lemon an Bon Herbs (dill, marjoram, parsley, etc).
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:46pm |
re: #319 poopeedoo
Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')
Yup - there was one. It was called "The Emperor's Whim." ;-)
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:54pm |
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:47pm |
re: #303 looking closely
She's a Clinton now.
Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.
Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.
She's got a lifetime gig in NY state after picking up Monihans (spelling?) seat. Her seat is as secure as those of our nine Supremes.
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:55pm |
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:58pm |
re: #320 Nevergiveup
................snakes? I hate snakes
Indiana Jones
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debutaunt Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:29pm |
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:30pm |
re: #326 Stonemason
with a smile of course!
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:37pm |
re: #321 smokefire
............and just think if the Phillies win the WS.
Like McCain in the polls, they are not the betting favorites. Rays are -1.35, Phils are +1.15. So I'd say that a Phillies win would be a good sign for underdogs everywhere. Oh, and the last time they won? 1980.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:56pm |
re: #325 hermeneutics
She's got a lifetime gig in NY state after picking up Monihans (spelling?) seat. Her seat is as secure as those of our nine Supremes.
I thought there were only 3 Supremes, even if Diana Ross thinks there was only one?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:56pm |
re: #309 hermeneutics
The undecided vote is probably less than ten percent now. This is a very hot, politicized race. All have taken sides.
Not to speak for Geepers, but I think he meant to say uninformed. And I wholeheartedly concur with that.
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looking closely Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:59pm |
re: #316 Killian Bundy
Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black
/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity
I know. This is crazy-talk.
/EVERYONE knows that when you call someone a "Socialist" you're really implying that they are JEWISH.
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The Archivist Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:13pm |
#316 Killian Bundy:
Good to see that the reader's of that article are having none of it. The insanity is being soundly rejected.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:22pm |
re: #326 Stonemason
oopsie, had to look closer at your avatar
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:26pm |
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HDrepub Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:31pm |
re: #303 looking closely
She's a Clinton now.
Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.
Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.
I'm wasn't saying she will change, only that her family were Republican. I am no fan of hers so I don't really care what she does, or doesn't do. If Obama wins this election, her national aspirations are over anyway, unless he screws up so badly the Donks want to be rid of him in 2012.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:48pm |
re: #169 Nevergiveup
No it's ok. She was the worst cook ever. Shit, she couldn't even make good reservations!
LOL.
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joncelli Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:38pm |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Leek and potato flatbread with a sprinkling of organic cheddar cheese? (Yes, my wife is a vegetarian. Yes, I hate it.)
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:53pm |
re: #332 David Simon
Not to speak for Geepers, but I think he meant to say uninformed. And I wholeheartedly concur with that.
makes sense. I bet the undecideds are less than five percent anyway. McCain either won or lost the race by the end of the summer -- which is why I think he'll win. We all took a side, openly or clandestinely, after labor day. The so-called undecideds were those who took a side secretly. They'll break for McCain.
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:02:40pm |
re: #336 arethusa
thanks...great time to have teenage boys and be a baseball fan!
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:11pm |
re: #316 Killian Bundy
Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black
/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity
Who knew "that one" was racist?
Pretty soon, the Republican vocabulary is going to be down to about fifteen words.
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loflyer Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:17pm |
Evening mates, whats going on and who's fighting, if anyone?
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Cicero05 Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:22pm |
re: #342 hermeneutics
The so-called undecideds were those who took a side secretly. They'll break for McCain.
In the famous observation of Bush 41, "the undecideds can break either way."
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J.D. Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:23pm |
...By almost a 2-1 margin in this poll, 62% to 32%, Americans said they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system. ...
Scary, huh?
Poll: Public supports health care for all
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joncelli Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:32pm |
re: #318 looking closely
Debka is really connected in Israel so their domestic reports are surprisingly reliable; it's when they talk about anything else BUT Israel that you need a pillar of salt.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:11pm |
.........a lot of McCain supporters are just lurking in the tall grass, saying nothing, and waiting until election. Will not talk, nor admit to anything to stay out of "in your face" crazed Obamatons.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:17pm |
re: #319 poopeedoo
Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')
Yep, and they usually had heads at the tops.
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rightymouse Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:41pm |
re: #260 David Simon
I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?
I thought the same thing not too long ago and voiced that here. Well...I met an undecided. She is not that well informed, but intelligent. Her life has been difficult. The irony is that she has an innate dislike of socialism but wants some kind of break for herself. She trusts me, so hopefully, I can sway her. You can't go too hard at undecideds, though. They truly are confused and any over-the-top stuff will turn them off.
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:42pm |
O'Reilly just showd 0bama's blurb.
Good job Zombie!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:05:43pm |
re: #178 hermeneutics
There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.
A few of my neurons fired out a really strange conspiracy conjecture:
The October 29th Televised Obamapalooza is where "The One©" announces Senator Biden will step down due to "health reasons" (foot-in mouth disease?) and Senator Clinton will be the replacement VP candidate. Seeing how "The One©" speaks fluent thug, and already has a coven of followers that will do anything no matter needed no matter how illegal to make sure "The One©" is anointed, it might be Hillary that has to hire a food taster and avoid national parks and airplanes should the Dem ticket win.
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J.D. Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:09pm |
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pepper Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:23pm |
Zombie's Ayer's - Obama connection is headlining OReilly.
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MrSnuggles Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:45pm |
re: #346 Cicero05
If they asked people if they want a 60% tax rate, theyd say no.
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gregg Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:19pm |
If you could convince the pollsters that a lot of Democrats weren't going to go through the hassle of voting, because Obama has such a big lead, I wonder if the polls would suddenly tighten?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:26pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:40pm |
How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?
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Son of the Black Dog Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:42pm |
re: #187 Moe Katz
Health care reformGovernment run health care is the sine qua non of what she stands for.
Fixed for ya'
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:45pm |
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:54pm |
re: #356 J.D.
I musta missed sumpin...
In the first five minutes of the show. Mr. O is highlighting a radio interview with Ayers.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:15pm |
re: #358 MrSnuggles
If they asked people if they want a 60% tax rate, theyd say no.
however with the master illusionist, they will be lulled into believing that the tax rate is good.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:23pm |
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J.D. Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:33pm |
re: #365 jetprop
In the first five minutes of the show. Mr. O is highlighting a radio interview with Ayers.
OK...and where does zombie fit in? She/He was talking about something upcoming earlier today...
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:34pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?
I'd guess the same 2 as president but that's only a guess
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:37pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?
I'm not aware of a term limit for a VP...
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:47pm |
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kcladderman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:57pm |
re: #355 FurryOldGuyJeans
A few of my neurons fired out a really strange conspiracy conjecture:
The October 29th Televised Obamapalooza is where "The One©" announces Senator Biden will step down due to "health reasons" (foot-in mouth disease?) and Senator Clinton will be the replacement VP candidate. Seeing how "The One©" speaks fluent thug, and already has a coven of followers that will do anything no matter needed no matter how illegal to make sure "The One©" is anointed, it might be Hillary that has to hire a food taster and avoid national parks and airplanes should the Dem ticket win.
I would take Hillary over Obama in any fight.
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fish Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:05pm |
re: #47 DisgustingOratory
Guys, make sure you don't refer to Obama as "socialist". It has been determined this is racist.
[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]
Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:
Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:06pm |
re: #327 smokefire
................snakes? I hate snakes
Indiana Jones
I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!
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nyc redneck Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:08pm |
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:18pm |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:44pm |
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:20pm |
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:24pm |
re: #376 jetprop
No mention.
Will Zombie take offense or just be grateful that the news got out somewhere?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:41pm |
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:43pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
there is no limit in the Constitution on Vice Presidential terms.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:50pm |
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J.D. Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:01pm |
I thought Laura Ingraham made a good point last night when she said the media has been all over Joe the plumber but they've shown no interest in Bill Ayers.
I wish I hadn't missed the zombie thing...
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arethusa Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:13pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?
No limit. Could be a flaw in the 22nd Amendment, I guess.
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Cast Iron Magnolia Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:36pm |
G'nite, Lizards.
Keep the faith. We're gonna WIN.
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Son of the Black Dog Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:38pm |
re: #202 SpartanWoman
Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know
People told me that if I supported Goldwater there'd be a war in Vietnam and I'd have to go. They were right.
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kcladderman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:45pm |
re: #373 fish
Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:
Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack
That guy is always crying racism about something in everyone of his columns.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:51pm |
Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:
Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack Hussein
Former cocaine user
Community Organizer
Heavy Smoker
Muslim
Present
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jetprop Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:02pm |
re: #379 SpartanWoman
Will Zombie take offense or just be grateful that the news got out somewhere?
hmmm..dunno.
Probably be glad it got out.
/just speculating.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:03pm |
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nyc redneck Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:09pm |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yep! Pass it!
here you go, w/ a dollop of whipped cream.
you can take that off if you're worried abt. the calories.
;)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:40pm |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:43pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?
22nd Amendment:
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
No mention of the VP.
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livefreeor die Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:44pm |
re: #299 mama winger
I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)
We would love to have you here but in the Philly suburbs there are a lot of moonbats. We keep our political leanings to ourselves until we find fellow Republicans. Our oldest son has had some unfortunate incidents where some of his middle school teachers seemed to find his views too moderate for their tastes and gave him either bad grades or worse. My "favorite" was one teacher who made him Larry Craig for the mock senate his grade did last year. The principal is still apologizing to me but did anything happen to the teacher? Nope.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:19pm |
I pray that the accurate poll is the straw poll on AOL.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:30pm |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:32pm |
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:43pm |
re: #377 Fat Jolly Penguin
Pleh.
I think the actual story about Obama's endorsement of Ayers' book has been out for a bit, though it was buried - I know I read about it a couple of weeks ago, somewhere (I can't remember where), but I never saw the photo/blurb until zombie came up with it. That really hit it home - and I would imagine that the timing suggests it's zombie's scoop O'Reilly is basing his story on.
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SpartanWoman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:38pm |
re: #400 capitalist piglet
I think the actual story about Obama's endorsement of Ayers' book has been out for a bit, though it was buried - I know I read about it a couple of weeks ago, somewhere (I can't remember where), but I never saw the photo/blurb until zombie came up with it. That really hit it home - and I would imagine that the timing suggests it's zombie's scoop O'Reilly is basing his story on.
I hope he shows the office building too
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Bobibutu Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:47pm |
re: #374 HoosierHoops
I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!
It's amazing what a little Adrenalin will do and how fast acting it is. ... I also have an almost stepped on a snake and got airborne in mid stride experience - can relate.
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loflyer Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:48pm |
re: #374 HoosierHoops
I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!
Almost as good as when my first girlfriend and I were engaging in extracurricular activities in a lake at sunset, and a water moccasin comes swimming by! We didn't miss a beat mate!
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:58pm |
Are ya'll watching O'Reilly? You seeing this shit commercial against Sarah Palin?
How fucked up are these people?
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Moe Katz Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:07pm |
re: #363 Son of the Black Dog
Fixed for ya'
Probably not. A single payer system would be difficult to implement in the USA because of the entrenched interests of the insurance companies. It likely end up as a complicated scheme in which the private sector would still participate extensively.
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joncelli Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:26pm |
re: #362 MandyManners
Why would anybody want to do it for more than 8 years? ;-) (As far as I can tell, the 22nd Amendment applies only to presidents, so the VP can serve as often as he/she wants.)
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:33pm |
Apple Crisp, with a little Bourbon on top, and some whipped cream......................
There you go Fat Bastard Vegetarian, enjoy
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David Simon Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:46pm |
re: #347 J.D.
Scary, huh?
Poll: Public supports health care for all
Too much nonsense in that link to blockquote; I'll leave it at this:
While a solid majority of people tended to be happy with their own quality of health care, the poll found "significant concern with the system more broadly
In other words, the Fourth Estate has become a Fifth Column: Over a quarter billion Americans are covered by the finest health care system in the world, and the rest have access to it, and are either too lazy or too stupid to figure it out. There is no health care crisis! But the media keep parroting the Democratic talking points, and so most people think something needs to be "fixed." Madness!
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kcladderman Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:49pm |
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:54pm |
Megyn Kelly is ripping a new are into the idiots that made this pos.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:36pm |
re: #408 smokefire
Apple Crisp, with a little Bourbon on top, and some whipped cream......................
There you go Fat Bastard Vegetarian, enjoy
NOM NOM NOM!
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:37pm |
does Newt Gingrich publish a bookre: #405 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Are ya'll watching O'Reilly? You seeing this shit commercial against Sarah Palin?
How fucked up are these people?
one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen.
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Stonemason Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:49pm |
re: #396 livefreeor die
where in the burbs...if you don't mind me asking. I'm in the Brandywine valley area.
At the McCain rally last week I ran into one of the middle school principals...I was seriously shocked.
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livefreeor die Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:18pm |
re: #406 Moe Katz
Probably not. A single payer system would be difficult to implement in the USA because of the entrenched interests of the insurance companies. It likely end up as a complicated scheme in which the private sector would still participate extensively.
In moments of "What if Barry win" panic I remind myself of what happened when Hillary tried to change the health care system with a Democratic Congress. They got mired down by the insurance companies, AMA, and hospital lobbies.
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smokefire Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:38pm |
re: #410 kcladderman
22 years and counting Norwich, CT. FD
9 years Naval Submarine Base FD.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:46pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
NOM NOM NOM!
Then how about some bread pudding with chunks of white chocolate buried inside and a rich, with chocolate sauce on top?
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RTLM Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:13pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:28pm |
The Kid asked that question but I could find nothing about it in the Constitution.
Thanks, Lizards!
