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Open | Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:49:45 pm PDT

Just another midday open thread...

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1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:50:43pm

Greetings from Miami Airport.

(groan)

2 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:20pm

at lunch time, big brown pickup drove by and honked (have no idea who it was) but the tailgate was one big NOBAMA sign

i think it was one of my son's friends

3 CynicalConservative  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:22pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Greetings from Miami Airport.

(groan)

Is Obama there too?

4 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:51:58pm

As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.

5 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:03pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader


greetings.
how is the construction of the SE lizard cave going? Anyone suspicious yet

6 thedude  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:12pm

greetings from Austin...BHO country...: (

7 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:24pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?

8 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:42pm

re: #3 CynicalConservative

Is Obama there too?

He's everywhere.

9 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:52:47pm

Hoax anthrax letters sent to 30 US banks.

So everyone who's been inveighing against "Wall Street greed" will be blamed for this, right?

[crickets]

10 Chris in Toronto  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:04pm

I’ve got a piece up about Powell’s endorsement of Obama. It’s long, so here’s a teaser and the link:

“Our metaphoric John Galts are speaking up!

On politico, of all places, there is a rough 60/40 “pro-McCain” opinion split (as judged by me, dammit after reading the first 100 comments) calling a big “bullsh*t” on Powell’s statement that his decision has nothing to do with race.

My first instinct, too, was to call this bullsh*t.

Thinking a bit harder about it though opens some interesting lines of thought. If we examine our list of assumptions about Colin Powell, what explains a political calculus that ends up with an Obama endorsement? ”

For the rest:
http://web.me.com/chris_nicholson/Site/desmondiswa tching/Entries/2008/10/20_John_Galt_and_Colin_Powe ll.html

11 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:29pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?

I actually had an empty exit row seat next to me on the way here. A miracle.

12 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:31pm

Is anyone else listening to Mark Levin? It's been straight commercials since the half hour, so that 23 minutes so far.

13 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:53:32pm

Midday? Where is it noon? Is Charles in Hawaii?

14 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:09pm

Damn, NBC Nightly News just trotted out and took ten minutes explaining their own shameless propaganda poll. It seems Lord President For Life Obama has an insurmountable ten point lead, wipes out McCain in every internal category, and Sarah Palin is bad, very bad, no one likes her.

/oh and the Bonkeys will get a veto proof Senate for sure, Republicans may as well just give up now, because this election is obviously over

15 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:15pm

re: #4 opnion

As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.

you have to understand the way these pageants work. Jane Doe might have been born and raised in Atlanta but she can still enter Delaware's pageant if she is in school there for x many months or something. Many of the women who win state pageants are professional pageant partakers.

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:31pm

re: #8 opnion

He's everywhere.

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

17 joekowalski247  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:54:58pm

re: #13 Silhouette

Midday? Where is it noon? Is Charles in Hawaii?

he's windsurfing with barak and john kerry

18 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:04pm

re: #15 Eowyn2

you have to understand the way these pageants work. Jane Doe might have been born and raised in Atlanta but she can still enter Delaware's pageant if she is in school there for x many months or something. Many of the women who win state pageants are professional pageant partakers.

Kinda like Hillary going to NY to run for senate.

19 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:04pm

re: #12 jemima

Is anyone else listening to Mark Levin? It's been straight commercials since the half hour, so that 23 minutes so far.

One of the reasons I just can't listen to conservative radio.

20 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:55:19pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Wow, impressive. Buy a lottery ticket, maybe it's your luck day.

21 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:11pm

re: #18 Silhouette

Kinda like Hillary going to NY to run for senate.


bingo!

22 opnion  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:12pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

They sing of him now! Very creepy.

23 jamie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:23pm

A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...

NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42

Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38

ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44

So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?

24 Dianna  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:28pm

For a wonder, I appear to be safely online. Still. After a couple reboots, even.

Now, I take my leave.

Take care, lizards!

25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:28pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Wow, impressive. Buy a lottery ticket, maybe it's your luck day.

Nah, I was also on the waitlist for an upgrade, and didn't get it. So my luck could be better.

26 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:37pm

#19

I wonder if ABC just turned him off while he was hitting Barack Milhous Nobama pretty hard.

27 Eowyn2  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:56:58pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

will he be wearing a Waldo hat?

28 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:57:07pm

re: #23 jamie

10 point difference? I have a hard time buying that.

29 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:00pm

re: #23 jamie

A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...

NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42

Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38

ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44

So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?

/Bush was down by 11 at this time four years ago

30 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:18pm

I'm surprised anyone here pays any attention to the polls since they are oversampling dems to begin with.

31 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:32pm
32 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:58:40pm
After the Biden "international crisis" comment, Albright's "statement of fact" remark and Franks yapping about raising taxes, I am starting to wonder if they are trying to warn the public, sort of send up flares. I thought Jesse Jackson's zionist comments in Evian was peculiar, why would he telegraph a policy that would scare away many voters? But it makes sense if these people are a bit afraid of Obama too and need to "get the word out" without seemeing to deliberately undermine him.

They may want to look supportive so they don't reap the negative whirlwind of going against Obama.

All these policy gaffes are either sabotage or severe overconfidence

Since I killed the last thread, I brought this along from it

33 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:01pm

re: #23 jamie

I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.

34 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:48pm

#32

Why would they warn us? We're useless eaters. The deader the better.

35 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:52pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

{...as they raise their hands to the sky.}

36 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 3:59:57pm

Hillbuzz finally linked directly to LGF.

37 thedude  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:03pm

anyone print up a couple of the Sarah posters from the earlier posting on LGF and glue them up at your favorite BHO hangouts?...someone needs to do a photoshop of the poster and replace the despicable image of Sarah with BHO...

38 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:03pm

re: #26 jemima

#19

I wonder if ABC just turned him off while he was hitting Barack Milhous Nobama pretty hard.

I suspect they lost the feed on his end (or your local station lost the feed). Either way, your local station will try to fill with commercials until they can get the feed back.

They may go to tape (well, really digital now a days) soon if they can't get the feed. Repeat of something.

39 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:18pm

re: #24 Dianna

For a wonder, I appear to be safely online.

How do you know you're safely online?

Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.

40 Jamie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:52pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.

Really? Everything I've seen says best case scenario for the Dems is 59, and that's if they keep every lead that's currently w/in the margin of error.

41 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:00:55pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following the congressional and senate races but I don't think there's much chance of the GOP retaining their filibuster. They just have to circle the wagons and hope for the best until 2010 midterms I guess.

We don't need any of that conceding around here!
/

42 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:18pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Hillbuzz finally linked directly to LGF.

Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose

43 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:28pm

#38

Hi Walter. ABC is the flagship station, that's what I'm listening to via the net.

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:36pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

/Bush was down by 11 at this time four years ago


Not True The polls were pretty close to accurate.

45 Jamie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:45pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

/Bush was down by 11 at this time four years ago

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.

46 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:01:58pm

re: #43 jemima

#38

Hi Walter. ABC is the flagship station, that's what I'm listening to via the net.

So, you are getting commercials from ABC?

47 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:01pm

Guys, make sure you don't refer to Obama as "socialist". It has been determined this is racist.

[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]

48 Globular Cluster  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:09pm

Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?

49 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:15pm

re: #39 Occasional Reader

How do you know you're safely online?

Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.

I think something is crouching inside my computer at home. I have to delete the same files every time I start up. Wish I could afford more anti-spyware.
(Where's my free government PC health insurance, anyway?/)

50 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:21pm

re: #30 jemima

Speaking of airports, I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone, and it relates what it considers to be a false story about Boone's daughter Jemima, but funny nonetheless.

It seems Daniel had been gone extra-long this time, about two years, and when he came home, Rebecca had a new baby. He asked whose it was and she said his brother's. He said not to worry about it, he had Indian wives and the kid was a Boone anyway.

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:35pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton


We don't need any of that conceding around here!
/


I conceed.
/

52 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:56pm

#46

Yes, WABC in NYC had about 25 min. of commercials straight, no Mark at all. He's back now with no explanation.

53 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:02:57pm

re: #4 opnion

As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.

She is an Obama suppoter.

54 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:03pm

Forget the Dems, or even the Go'auld. Here come the Replicators.

55 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:04pm

Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?

I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.

Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.

I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.

56 joekowalski247  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm

"The Government is a group of people largely ungoverned"
-Firefly was a good show-

57 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Not True The polls were pretty close to accurate.

Was it Gore?

58 wolfie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:32pm

re: #31 Occasional Reader

All that gun-control lgislation sure has helped Mexico !

/

59 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:42pm

re: #42 SpartanWoman

Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose

Could not agree more. I said it last night: Obama makes Hill look competent and personable.

60 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:03:49pm

re: #48 Globular Cluster

Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?

No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.

We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.

Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).

61 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:04:39pm

re: #45 Jamie

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.

Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?

62 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:04:50pm

re: #50 Silhouette

Speaking of airports, I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone,

Did he spend a lot of time in airports?

63 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:14pm

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.

We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.

Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).

Shit after an IRS audit, there is almost nothing you could do that isn't an improvement!

64 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:17pm

#50

Yikes!

Ol Dan was pretty understanding. Of course, I'm not sure I would have been so jolly about Dan and his squaws.

65 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:29pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Did he spend a lot of time in airports?

Only when he was visiting the East Coast.

66 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:35pm

re: #40 Jamie

RCP sez....

(Senate - 51 D*, 49 R) (House - 235D, 199R, 1v**)

At what point do they lose the filibuster?

67 bosforus  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:05:49pm

re: #61 Soona'

Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?

They're not polls. They're poLLLs.

68 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:12pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

RCP sez....

At what point do they lose the filibuster?

We need 40 senators.

69 Occasional Reader  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:24pm

On to the next flight.

Behave, y'all.

70 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:06:29pm

re: #61 Soona'

Look at these polls. They're MSM polls. What do you expect?

The MSM was much less biased in 2004. The level of rage against Palin is unprecedented, IMO

71 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:06pm

re: #23 jamie

Interestingly enough, you can't get to the pdf of the NBC poll to look at the internal numbers.

What is fascinating though is McCain's whopping lead in the ABC poll of people who have previously voted. Looking further, you see of likely voters in this poll, the vast majority of them are not first time voters.

Basically- you can't take these polls at face value. You have to look deeper. When they are polling two to three times as many democrats as they should be, it throws the entire poll off.

72 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:16pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Did he spend a lot of time in airports?

Missing the all important clause, "I picked up the latest biography of Daniel Boone in the airport last week."

Dagnabit, I knew what I meant. Why couldn't you?

73 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:20pm

arethusa's poll average (because I'm sick of RCP throwing into their average once-weekly polls that are RV only or presume unrealistic partisan splits or voter turnout and aren't nearly as good as the daily polls):

Rasmussen Reports Obama +4*
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +8
Hotline/FD 10/18 - 10/20 Obama +6
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +7
IBD/TIPP 10/16 - 10/20 Obama +6*
GWU/Battleground Obama +1*

Starred polls are within the margin of error.

Average: Obama +5.3

There, that made me feel better.

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:41pm

re: #57 Killian Bundy

Was it Gore?

Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.

75 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:07:47pm

re: #70 SpartanWoman

The MSM was much less biased in 2004. The level of rage against Palin is unprecedented, IMO

Not only rage but irrational,ignorant, and uneducated rage!

76 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:17pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.

I'm betting the Romans won.

77 Dianna  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:18pm

re: #39 Occasional Reader

How do you know you're safely online?

Something may be crouching inside your monitor, waiting to spring, at this very moment.

Thank you sooooo much for that happy thought. If, tomorrow morning, I can't get online, I shall blame you.

78 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:08:38pm

William McGurn makes a nifty point about Obama's tax "plan":

In most parts of America, getting money back on taxes you haven't paid sounds a lot like welfare. Ah, say the Obama people, you forget: Even those who pay no income taxes pay payroll taxes for Social Security. Under the Obama plan, they say, these Americans would get an income tax credit up to $500 based on what they are paying into Social Security.

Just two little questions: If people are going to get a tax refund based on what they pay into Social Security, then we're not really talking about income tax relief, are we? And if what we're really talking about is payroll tax relief, doesn't that mean billions of dollars in lost revenue for a Social Security trust fund that is already badly underfinanced?

[Link: online.wsj.com...]


It's all part of the Obama sleight of hand called "Making Work Pay," which, ironically enough, will do quite the opposite.

79 gmsc  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:04pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.

Considering when modern statistical methods were developed, I'd say the polls were actually less accurate 1800 years ago.

80 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:09:44pm

re: #55 formercorpsman

Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?

I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.

Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.

I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.

I'd bet my money on the iranians - with help from Russia.

81 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:14pm

re: #68 nikis-knight

I just noticed that the RCP list is prioritized by "likelihood to switch party". Ouch.

82 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:52pm

Has anyone noticed what a crock CNN's poll of polls is? They always pick the four that are most favorable to Obama. Today their poll of polls was 9, higher than even RCP.

83 wolfie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:10:52pm

re: #48 Globular Cluster

Has anyone seen American Carol? Is it actually good?

Mediocre, but worth seeing. It has some highly amusing moments.

84 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:01pm

re: #79 gmsc

Considering when modern statistical methods were developed, I'd say the polls were actually less accurate 1800 years ago.

Not so sure about since the only one voting was usually the Emperor, how much of a math genius did you have to be to tabulate the likely results?

85 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:04pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Ah, the joys of travel. Remember when they used to serve food on the plane and there was always a chance of an empty seat next to you?

Some airlines still serve food. Except, it isn't anything you'd want to eat.

86 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:23pm

re: #76 Silhouette

Ha!

87 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:31pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?

88 Outrider  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:11:53pm

re: #2 Eowyn2

at lunch time, big brown pickup drove by and honked (have no idea who it was) but the tailgate was one big NOBAMA sign

i think it was one of my son's friends

Love it when that happens! That is one of the reasons I put campaign signs out.

89 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:11pm

Good Evening LGF.

John, stop these robo-ads!
John, stop discussing Barack's character!
- Biden speech

Sure Joe, no problem.

90 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:13pm

re: #85 David Simon

Some airlines still serve food. Except, it isn't anything you'd want to eat.

If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?

91 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:12:32pm

Okay, it was Bush that was up with two weeks to go in 2004.

/didn't turn out that way

92 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:01pm

re: #85 David Simon

After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?

93 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:18pm

Want a bit of Sarah Palin thumping Joe Six Term?

Obama's 5th crisis is priceless

94 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:31pm

re: #87 nikis-knight

Ask Arnold or Jesse Ventura.

95 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:13:59pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?

Yeah, like they'd give a shit about kids and other living creatures?

96 spidly  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:02pm

well, balls

Fox News' Brit Hume signs off on top
12:01a ET October 20, 2008 (MarketWatch)
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Fox News Channel anchor Brit Hume, who has announced his retirement from television news after three decades, concedes that not even he can always get it right.

Hume, who has been covering presidential races since the 1970s, noted that he shrugged off all of the parlor-game talk before John McCain named his running mate on Aug. 29.

"It wouldn't make a particle of difference," Hume recalled thinking at the time. "The least interesting question of the year was who John McCain would choose."

Famous last words. Enter charismatic Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and overnight, all bets were off as Palinmania initially swept the nation.

97 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:15pm

Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.

The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.

I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.

98 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:17pm

re: #80 DistantThunder

Why?

Do you have any specific assumptions?

99 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:19pm

re: #87 nikis-knight

I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?

He was only up 3 in today's Minnesota Poll. Within the MOE. And the poll noticed that a good deal of the Independent candidate's support might desert him. I only hope they desert him for Coleman, not Franken.

Someone said a few months back that the bitterest pill we might have to swallow on Election Night would be Al Franken's elevation to the US Senate. Bleah.

100 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:25pm

re: #90 Nevergiveup

If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?

Nope, having low standards can be a great thing. You're smiling when others are grimacing.
Of course, that doesn't apply to everything.

101 Outrider  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:34pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

I'd like to hear ten years from now, "Whatever happened to that Obama guy?"

102 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:34pm

re: #87 nikis-knight

I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?

REally stupid people deserve what they get.

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:14:51pm

re: #91 Killian Bundy

Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.

104 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:08pm

re: #67 bosforus

They're not polls. They're poLLLs.

Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.

105 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:34pm

re: #98 formercorpsman

Why?

Do you have any specific assumptions?

Just thinking about this Somali hijacking of the Iranian boat that made the pirates sick. I think it was dirty...

106 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:15:34pm

re: #90 Nevergiveup

If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?

Nope. Find out whatever it is that makes you like it and patent it.

107 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:14pm

Polls all come down to the weighing they employ, and they admit to doing it.

108 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:17pm

re: #23 jamie

A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...

So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?


Why you assume the polls are even close to accurate?

In terms of party strategy, like any campaign, you concentrate your resources where you believe they will be most effective.

109 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:17pm

re: #4 opnion

As long as we were discussing Sarah Palin on the last thread, she came in second in the Miss Alaska Pagent. I just wonder what the winner must look like.

Yeah, but she got Miss Congeniality.

110 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:24pm

re: #97 DistantThunder

Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.

The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.

I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.

I don't fly much, but I'm 6'6" and the guy/gal in front of me always reclines their seat at some point. Even though it is touching my knees to begin with.

111 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:29pm

heh ... a lady from the alphabet soups in DC who has been trying to get me to read Kos for years now just sent this ...
------
Bob - Thanks for sending me this......

Nobama, Nobama, Nobama..............
-------
I had sent her this "The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama" earlier.

112 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #90 Nevergiveup

If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?

I like it too. I figure that equips us well for a potential Obama administration. :-)

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:34pm

re: #104 jetprop

Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.

And he's right.

114 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:16:51pm

Hey, Lizards

My personal up-to-the-minute MAGNOLIA poll:

McCain 1
Obama 0

McCain up by 1 !

115 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:09pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.

But people don't understand why the oversampling of Democrats to Republicans and if it is based on ratio of number of democrats registered to number of republicans - and a massive amount of fraudulent votes have been submited as democrats, not to mention the people who re-registered during operation Chaos as democrats - it would skew the polls.

116 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:21pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

After my flight back from Africa last month I've been thinking about telling the airlines that I'm not allowed within 20 yards of minors. I wonder if that would work?

Not as well as investing in a good set of noise-cancelling headphones.

How was your trip, by the way? Safari, or something else?

117 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:24pm

re: #111 Bobibutu

You flipped an 0bamabot?

118 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:17:40pm

re: #90 Nevergiveup

If I like airline food, is that something I should worry about?

Your mother-in-law must be a great cook.

119 jeremy0114  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:18pm

Well, as long as I am not crossing an ocean, my flight usually leaves when I tell it to, and the only kids on it are my own! And the food? "Where do you want to land for lunch, honey?"

Unless, of course, I have to sell it next year to fulfill my obligation to the poor people in this country who want the American dream too... MY AMERICAN DREAM!

120 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:24pm

re: #102 DistantThunder

REally stupid people deserve what they get.

Yea, but the position in question (senate) could spread the stupid all over everyone.

121 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:25pm

re: #23 jamie

A slew of pretty ominous polls out today...

NBC/Wall St. Journal
Obama 52
McCain 42

Pew Research
Obama 52
McCain 38

ABC/Washington Post
Obama 53
McCain 44

So if you assume that these polls are at least close to accurate, what do you do as the RNC? Go all out for McCain in the hopes that if you win or at least narrow the gap, that will lift up Congressional GOPers? Or do you cut McCain loose and make sure to save the filibuster?

but if they are polling the 510 area code this is a bullshit poll
as all are

it's not the number of people you poll
it is the area code you poll

poll the 530 area code for a change, pollster assholes and see what you get

122 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:27pm

re: #105 DistantThunder

With respect to that incident, do you think Israel could have had a hand in encouraging the hijackers in that scenario?

When you think about it, it would a superb CO, and not totally off the mark when you consider it was a Nork ship they were following that resulted in the Syrian affair.

123 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:43pm

re: #55 formercorpsman

Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?


Its probably that the Bush administration has intel about a planned attack on Iran by Israel in the case of an Obama win.

Israel simply can't trust Obama (who doesn't even understand the Jerusalem as capital issue and wants to renege on NAFTA) to do the right thing.

So again, for all his juvenile rhetoric about "unconditional face to face meetings" and "talking with our enemies" electing Obama **INCREASES** the chance of a war with Iran, not decreases it.

124 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:50pm

re: #115 DistantThunder

But people don't understand why the oversampling of Democrats to Republicans and if it is based on ratio of number of democrats registered to number of republicans - and a massive amount of fraudulent votes have been submited as democrats, not to mention the people who re-registered during operation Chaos as democrats - it would skew the polls.

I meant to say a massive number of fraudulent registrations have been submitted it would alter the ratios.

125 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:18:58pm

re: #97 DistantThunder

Mr DT just had a horrendous flight on United. He was in the middle seat, last row - so it didn't recline - on a red eye. He's 6'2" - and had the guy ahead of him reclined practically in his lap.

The stewardess apologized for the seat, said she couldn't switch him - but she could offer him free drinks.

I told him he should have announced that he'd pay $50 to change seats with someone.

I hear ya DT been there done that..
But really..after 9-11 the 50 dollar offer is off limits..
We have all had bad flight.I've got some whoopers to tell you..
You have mr. DT safe and at home tonight...
You are a blessed woman...

126 joncelli  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:28pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

It takes 60 to invoke cloture, so the GOP needs to retain 41 seats. It'll be close.

127 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:35pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

And he's right.

According to him: 98.8% of the time :-)

128 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:19:54pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

Your mother-in-law must be a great cook.

My mother-in-law has Alzheimers and lives with us, that is why I joined the Navy! And she couldn't cook in her better days. Hell now she has trouble remembering to close the bathroom door. And people think I am only drinking more because of this election.

129 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:16pm

re: #87 nikis-knight

I just can't believe Franken is up in polls. Name recognition can't really be everything, can it?

No, just the liberal turds (yes I know that is redundant) up in the Twin Cities.

130 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:19pm

media uses race card again

[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]

131 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:52pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

You flipped an 0bamabot?

? she used to be so left we could only communicate professionally. Who knows? Maybe the final straw?

132 jonturner  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:54pm

Koz Kidz are nutz:
What if Obama really is the Second Coming of Christ?
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Wait a second, I thought Christians were the greatest enemy to freedom/peace/etc the world has ever seen? Suddenly, religion is a good thing? I just can't keep up with these liberal memes.

133 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:20:57pm

re: #110 nikis-knight

I don't fly much, but I'm 6'6" and the guy/gal in front of me always reclines their seat at some point. Even though it is touching my knees to begin with.

I read in one of the travel magazines that there's a device you can purchase that will clip on to your tray table and make it impossible for the asshole in front of you to do that.

134 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:09pm

* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.

* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.

* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.

* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.

* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.

* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.

* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves

135 Shay4l  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:15pm

re: #55 formercorpsman

Anyone have any opinions on the major international crisis?

I know we had a thread about Bolton's response, but what caught my attention was this being repeated by 2 former SOS's, and Powell suggested, January 21st or 22nd.

Both parties had have just recently met with the administration, something Bush signed by executive order (the Presidential Transition Coordinating Council) which no doubt leaves me to think some pretty good intel, or assessment has been divulged.

I don't know about anyone else, but this seems pretty insidious to me.

And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.

136 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:21:24pm

re: #122 formercorpsman

With respect to that incident, do you think Israel could have had a hand in encouraging the hijackers in that scenario?

When you think about it, it would a superb CO, and not totally off the mark when you consider it was a Nork ship they were following that resulted in the Syrian affair.

No doubt Israel is working counter on this.....all this pirate activity is a little too surprising just as things are heating up with Iran.

137 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:11pm

Did any of the dinosaur media ever print a retraction for the bullshit 'kill him'! story at a McCain rally from earlier this month?

/didn't think so

138 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:18pm

re: #125 HoosierHoops

I hear ya DT been there done that..
But really..after 9-11 the 50 dollar offer is off limits..
We have all had bad flight.I've got some whoopers to tell you..
You have mr. DT safe and at home tonight...
You are a blessed woman...

He's not home - he's up playing the rain teaching a scout class to some military guys.

139 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #123 looking closely


Yes, that is definitely one aspect that has been running in my mind specifically because the examples you cite.

I am positive Israel has rock solid intel about that situation, and is making serious preparations.

140 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:41pm

re: #138 DistantThunder

He's not home - he's up playing the rain teaching a scout class to some military guys.

Playing in the rain...

141 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:52pm

Yeah- some of the polling this year was real on top of the ball!

142 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:22:59pm

re: #137 Fenway_Nation

Did any of the dinosaur media ever print a retraction for the bullshit 'kill him'! story at a McCain rally from earlier this month?

/didn't think so

Hey, by the way, anyone missing Manny up there?

143 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #133 David Simon

I read in one of the travel magazines that there's a device you can purchase that will clip on to your tray table and make it impossible for the asshole in front of you to do that.


airlines will no longer let you use them

FYI - get an exit row seat
more legroom
the seat in front CANNOT be reclined


side note to Charles
I still get kicked to the home page when hitting quote, reply, ding, etc.... (half the time)

144 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #131 Bobibutu

Then you Rock!

145 big L  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:32pm

52 and 46-- Listen to Mark Levin on the Internet. It is On his site , The Mark Levin show .com IT takes 7o min to run thru it and yo can back up to re-hear something.
Avail about an hr after his show airs at his home station.
You can tell if the date is red hyperlink it is ready to go.
Free, listen any time.

146 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #134 Adrenalyn

* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.

* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.

* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.

* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.

* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.

* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.

* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves

You obviously have never met my wife...

147 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:23:57pm

re: #123 looking closely

Its probably that the Bush administration has intel about a planned attack on Iran by Israel in the case of an Obama win.
Israel simply can't trust Obama (who doesn't even understand the Jerusalem as capital issue and wants to renege on NAFTA) to do the right thing.


Gas will be 2 bucks a gallon.
Attack Iran,
probably go to 6-8 dollars gallon.

Israel needs to kick their ass.

We need to pump their oil.

148 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:03pm

Zogby had 0bama by +13% in Cali! Actual result- Clinton by 9.6!

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

149 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:08pm

re: #128 Nevergiveup

My mother-in-law has Alzheimers and lives with us, that is why I joined the Navy! And she couldn't cook in her better days. Hell now she has trouble remembering to close the bathroom door. And people think I am only drinking more because of this election.

OOOOPS, sorry.

150 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:13pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

Yeah- some of the polling this year was real on top of the ball!

Thanks I needed that. It's this year's pollster stupidity that gives me strength

151 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:29pm

re: #134 Adrenalyn

* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.

* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.

* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.

* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.

* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.

* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.

* You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves

Nice post.

152 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:24:47pm

re: #132 jonturner

Don't they throw the term "Christofascist around pretty loosely"?

They missed the comet.

153 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:21pm

re: #132 jonturner

Koz Kidz are nutz:
What if Obama really is the Second Coming of Christ?
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Wait a second, I thought Christians were the greatest enemy to freedom/peace/etc the world has ever seen? Suddenly, religion is a good thing? I just can't keep up with these liberal memes.

Ok, so them making this point is actually a powerful argument for him being the anti-christ. LOL - Just kidding. Just wait till those poll numbers drop through the floor in 6 months. The Kos Kidz are going to seriously need all that free health care.

Part of me has a sadistic desire to see him as president only to see the left traumatized by reality.

154 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:23pm

re: #135 Shay4l

What strikes me about the international crisis is that it sounds like Biden already knows what the response will be. And he thinks it will look wrong to Obama supporters. So...*puts rose-colored glasses on*...it suggests The One might actually have to use hard power to solve it.

*takes rose-colored glasses off*...or he won't, Israel will be destroyed, and Democratic voters sympathetic to Israel will be furious.

Who was Biden's audience? What constituencies did it represent? Why would they think it was the wrong decision? That might help find an answer.

155 bosforus  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:25pm

re: #104 jetprop

Rush was saying today that the purpose of these poLLLs put out by the drive bys is to make us feel demoralized.

They demoralize me no more than just the thought of an Obama administration, which is an idea we've all been demoralized by for the past year.

156 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:31pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

Then you Rock!

Why - thank you. I have been a bit aggressive and relentless with my mail list. Several have asked to be removed in the past month.

157 Sylvester_T_Cat  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:36pm

Charles, the LGF Search function is slightly borked. (Been watching for an open thread to explain this as best I can ;-)). Here's the problem:

When you select "more options" and enter a search word (I try to keep up with a couple of Lizards and what they're saying overnight), the next thing that pops up is a slick calendar to help with entering search dates.
Right now the calendar feature mostly isn't working. Can't enter dates manually either. ("Mostly" means, you can do a first search on some entry... which searches all entries from LGF day one, takes forever ;-), then suddenly after that first search, the calendar thingy starts working for further searches.
It just started doing that a couple of days ago, not a big thing but.... Thanks for all the great things you're doing!

158 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:36pm

re: #135 Shay4l

And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.

Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..

159 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:25:45pm

re: bobibutu
well done!
(since i pass out the chocolates on Rantburg when we bag an AlQ biggie, i suppose that here on LGF, i'll pass out cupcakes when a lizard manages to enlighten a moonbat!)

160 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:37pm

re: #142 Nevergiveup

Hey, by the way, anyone missing Manny up there?


Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?

161 Outrider  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:46pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.

That's right. That is why they are all so spot on with each other. No variance there.

162 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:26:58pm

Sharmuta, to answer your question from the previous thread;

It's not that they're prepping us for Socialism already. It's just an analysis of data sets. Maybe I'm young and naive. I'll post the prompt later.

163 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..

This is the same woman he threw under the bus for being a typical white racist. The same woman who raised him when his own mother was otherwise occupied. He owes her his life.

164 Adrenalyn  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm

David Simon

thank you !


I'd hit the "reply" button
but I am getting tired of having to visit the home page again
and reloading all the comments over and over

165 CynicalConservative  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

Well as much as i dislike president senator obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..

fixed that...

166 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..

Amen. Family comes first.

167 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:24pm

re: #154 arethusa

What strikes me about the international crisis is that it sounds like Biden already knows what the response will be. And he thinks it will look wrong to Obama supporters. So...*puts rose-colored glasses on*...it suggests The One might actually have to use hard power to solve it.

*takes rose-colored glasses off*...or he won't, Israel will be destroyed, and Democratic voters sympathetic to Israel will be furious.

I was just thinking about the same thing, Arethusa! I thought that maybe Israel was planning to attack Iran, and that Obama would side against Israel!

Who was Biden's audience? What constituencies did it represent? Why would they think it was the wrong decision? That might help find an answer.

168 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:27:24pm

re: #135 Shay4l

Nice thought, but I don't think that is the way it will play out.

He has actually had a couple of meetings with European leaders recently, and it makes me wonder if he is not trying to garner support in preparation of something foretold.

169 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:06pm

re: #149 Spare O'Lake

OOOOPS, sorry.

No it's ok. She was the worst cook ever. Shit, she couldn't even make good reservations!

170 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:09pm

re: #159 Querent

re: bobibutu
well done!
(since i pass out the chocolates on Rantburg when we bag an AlQ biggie, i suppose that here on LGF, i'll pass out cupcakes when a lizard manages to enlighten a moonbat!)

Thanks - and I am a huge fan of Rantburg!

171 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:28pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around. I've seen a few conservative pundits repeating it.

Gore may be opening solid lead -- with a caveat

Today's figures -- 51 percent for Gore to 40 percent for Bush -- represents a significant margin for the vice president.

/the only wrong part about it is that it was a month out, not two weeks

172 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:28pm

re: #35 Soona'

{...as they raise their hands to the sky.}

.............and they sing this, the new anthem

[Link: www.nmatv.com...]

173 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:35pm

I think Nobama refuses to release his medical records because he's been treated for psychological issues in the past (could be related to drug use, too). Just a guess. I can't link to someone smarter than me for you.

174 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:38pm

re: #135 Shay4l

And immediately after, Zerobama runs crying to Hawaii for a couple days to either ask his gramma to hug him, or get more of whatever dope he takes these days to cope. Musta been pretty bad news.

So Bambi might inherit another major war.

Acorn and get out the Vote will have to register young men for the draft-

good luck with that.

175 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:28:44pm

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?

Oh that hurt.

176 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:24pm

#170
you might have seen me there (usually passing out the chocolates)

177 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:34pm

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Anyone missing October baseball (or a vintage stadium) down there?

alright smart person. How many more days until Spring Training?

178 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:38pm

re: #42 SpartanWoman

Ah the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It will be a pleasure having Hillary to run against in 2012. Compared to Obama she is surely a rose

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.

179 StudSupreme  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:46pm

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it hasn't been done already, I'd like to open the following topic:

RIGHT NOW, on Yahoo's front page and their news, the AP is frothingly promoting a just released story on one of their Sarah Palin investigations, which is implying that Palin misused her discretionary expenditures in Alaska by taking her kids on official biz trips with her.
I say again: AP SPECIAL INVESTIGATION.

On the same front page of Yahoo, including their News page - THE LEAD STORY is OBAMA'S WONDERFUL SICK GRANDMA.


W H A T
T E H
F * * * ? ? ?

180 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:49pm

re: #163 Perplexed

This is the same woman he threw under the bus for being a typical white racist. The same woman who raised him when his own mother was otherwise occupied. He owes her his life.


I agree....
I'll bet..there is a closeness between barry and his nana..We can't see that..
I prefer we keep the attacks political..not personal...

181 big L  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:29:51pm

Now on cnn, Obmeister is up by ten points! It is the end of the M'Cain campaign. The voters are voting for Obama in the Obama campaign. Whereas the M'Cain supporters are
Are voting against Obama. and cnn says that is bad for a behind runner-up.ANd on and on. Hanging crepe and saying it is the end of the line, looks like it is over.

Also they are joyous over some gaffe that Gov Palin did. and that there is a conflict-of-interest charge in AK waiting for her. Joy! They are so Happy! And Chuck Todd is so pleased that there is all this gloom.

But notice that the topic of Biden comments is being dumped with the above and the Hawaii trip to see his old g'ma.

182 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:03pm

re: #167 Cast Iron Magnolia

I was just thinking about the same thing, Arethusa! I thought that maybe Israel was planning to attack Iran, and that Obama would side against Israel!

Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.

183 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:09pm

re: #45 Jamie

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, he was up or tied at this point.

Its true that Bush was polling ahead this late in the game last cycle.

But the press bias this time around is unprecedented, and there is good reason (including the so-called "Bradley effect") to think that polling is more heavily skewed now.

184 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:24pm

re: #167 Cast Iron Magnolia

I don't know what happened to my response to you, Arethusa, but it got all conglomerated!

185 MrSnuggles  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:51pm

re: #14 Killian Bundy

They are trying to suppress republican votes, but all they are going to do is make leftists complacent. Why bother to go vote for the savior when he has already won? At least thats what I hope.

186 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:30:59pm

re: #130 Adrenalyn

media uses race card again

[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]


NO!

187 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:08pm

re: #178 hermeneutics

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.

Health care reform is the sine qua non of what she stands for.

188 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #165 CynicalConservative

fixed that...

Thanks for the fix! when i wrote that..i could have sworn i wrote a possible presidential..ect..
I hit post and screamed NO! hoping nobody would notice...

189 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:30pm

re: #173 jemima

I think Nobama refuses to release his medical records because he's been treated for psychological issues in the past (could be related to drug use, too). Just a guess. I can't link to someone smarter than me for you.

I think the same. Or he smokes way more than we think. Neither are disqualifiers, necessarily, but I think some voters would be put off.

190 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:51pm

re: #176 Querent

#170
you might have seen me there (usually passing out the chocolates)

We will have much to discuss come Sunday.

191 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:31:52pm
192 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:09pm

yep it was awesome -- she rocked the room, it was so worth taking the morning off

re: #93 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Want a bit of Sarah Palin thumping Joe Six Term?

Obama's 5th crisis is priceless

193 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:18pm

re: #184 Cast Iron Magnolia

I don't know what happened to my response to you, Arethusa, but it got all conglomerated!

Groupthink! I figured it out, though. ;-)

194 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:27pm
195 nikis-knight  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:38pm

re: #178 hermeneutics

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.


Did they ever give back the White House furniture that left with them? And while I'd take a Clinton endorsement, I really don't want her handing out pardons like her husband was, or appointing supreme court justices. I can sympasize with her getting run over by the Obama bus, and I'm sure she'd be well more moderate than Barak if elected, but that doesn't mean I trust her policy judgement much.

196 Shay4l  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:39pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

Well as much as i dislike president obama..If his grandmother is sick and he needs to visit her in a time of severe illness..Bless him.
We are all humans here...politics aside..

If his Typical White Grandmother is seriously ill, he should be with her. She raised him.

(Can he be president and care for his ailing grandmother at the same time? Palin haters don't think so.)

Best wishes to his grandmother if she is in failing health.

197 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:51pm

The lead on Drudge is amusing: "San Fran Weighs Decriminalizing Prostitution"

Now, will this galvanize any voters? I rather doubt it.

198 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:32:51pm

re: #194 ploome hineni

hi Moe

Ploome, how's by you?

199 CynicalConservative  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:06pm

re: #188 HoosierHoops

Thanks for the fix! when i wrote that..i could have sworn i wrote a possible presidential..ect..
I hit post and screamed NO! hoping nobody would notice...

no worries, figured it was an honest mistake. Hate when that post button presses itself too soon

200 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:13pm

#190
oh we will. i'm looking forward to meeting the local lizards -- and i'm bringing the lizard-green cupcakes.

had you planned it to be a pot-luck lizard luncheon?

201 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:16pm

What obama failed to appreciate about his grandmother is that as a woman - it is very intimidating to have a large drunk that outweighs you by 2, slobbering all over you and panhandling money - especially if it's happening at a bus stop where you need to stand and weight.

His grandfather should have said: That's horrible, i will go and stand with you or drive you. Obama was not raised with any sense of gallantry or chivalry.

202 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:40pm

re: #178 hermeneutics

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.

Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know

203 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:41pm

re: #182 arethusa

Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.

I think the best place to live (if McCain isn't elected) would be Israel. Or, Alaska.

204 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:33:50pm

#145
Thanks for the info on the Levin show. I really like him.

Hannity this afternoon was speculating on what this generated crisis will be and what Barry would do that would cause us not to support him.
Sean thought it would be no response and we'd be screaming for payback.

205 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:06pm

re: #195 nikis-knight

Did they ever give back the White House furniture that left with them? And while I'd take a Clinton endorsement, I really don't want her handing out pardons like her husband was, or appointing supreme court justices. I can sympasize with her getting run over by the Obama bus, and I'm sure she'd be well more moderate than Barak if elected, but that doesn't mean I trust her policy judgement much.

Agreed. She started as a Goldwater Girl ... maybe she'll end her life as a libertarian? Weirder things have happened.

206 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:26pm

re: #192 bcgirl

yep it was awesome -- she rocked the room, it was so worth taking the morning off

You were there?! I'm jealous.

207 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:31pm

re: #191 ploome hineni

hi

I wonder which heirloom tomato you would recommend if I were to grow one variety for salad?

Sorry for butting in, but the most delicious heirloom I've ever tasted is Cherokee Purple. Carry on.

208 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:38pm

re: #179 StudSupreme

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it hasn't been done already, I'd like to open the following topic:

RIGHT NOW, on Yahoo's front page and their news, the AP is frothingly promoting a just released story on one of their Sarah Palin investigations, which is implying that Palin misused her discretionary expenditures in Alaska by taking her kids on official biz trips with her.
I say again: AP SPECIAL INVESTIGATION.

On the same front page of Yahoo, including their News page - THE LEAD STORY is OBAMA'S WONDERFUL SICK GRANDMA.


W H A T
T E H
F * * * ? ? ?

Palin's reponse is that the children has been officially invited to participate in the government activity by their hosts.

209 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:40pm

i would be happy to look into a trip to Israel for LGF'ers, i will do it today and have some informatin tomorrow if anyone is interested,,

re: #182 arethusa

Wasn't there an earlier thread about a winter LGF trip to Israel? 'Cause I agree with CIM, and I'd really like to see Israel before I can't.

210 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:34:43pm

re: #196 Shay4l

If his Typical White Grandmother is seriously ill, he should be with her. She raised him.

(Can he be president and care for his ailing grandmother at the same time? Palin haters don't think so.)

Best wishes to his grandmother if she is in failing health.

I dinged you up.. I knew you were good people..
The Hoopster

211 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:35:09pm

re: #23 jamie

Polls are BS. Ojoe's poll hammer:

1. Polls are public. There are at least 2 people present when a polling question is asked. The Ballot is private.

2. Poll questions can be worded in leading, tricky ways. The ballot is simple.

3. Polls can be used to try and influence the outcome of an election, so the motivation behind them and their reporting is suspect. The ballot is the election.

4. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.

5. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.

6. Only God knows the future anyway.

212 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:35:30pm

re: #201 DistantThunder

What obama failed to appreciate about his grandmother is that as a woman - it is very intimidating to have a large drunk that outweighs you by 2, slobbering all over you and panhandling money - especially if it's happening at a bus stop where you need to stand and weight.

His grandfather should have said: That's horrible, i will go and stand with you or drive you. Obama was not raised with any sense of gallantry or chivalry.

WAIT Not Weight - I've been alone with 5 children for a week and my brain is fried.

213 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:01pm

re: #203 Cast Iron Magnolia

I think the best place to live (if McCain isn't elected) would be Israel. Or, Alaska.

Well Israel will be in range of Iranian Nuclear Missiles and Alaska will be in range of future North Korean Nuclear Missiles? I'd go to Israel to die with my people, especially since Sarah is taken.

214 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:42pm

#189

I would have a problem if Barry was diagnosed as a pathological egomaniac, narcissist and sociopath--which he certainly seems to be. It's one thing to have been depressed and needed Zoloft but what Barry has can't be cured with pharmacology. Maybe he exhibited tendencies while at Columbia or Harvard. (Altho at Harvard would mental problems be so detectable?)

215 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:46pm

re: #206 Badge of Kaffir Pride

You were there?! I'm jealous.


yep and she autographed my pit bull's picture,, (it said pit bull for palin and i put pink lipstick on my dog for it)

216 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:36:58pm

re: #202 SpartanWoman

Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know

Yeah, she sure inverted Winston Churchill's famous quote, didn't she?

217 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:06pm

re: #197 hermeneutics

The lead on Drudge is amusing: "San Fran Weighs Decriminalizing Prostitution"

Now, will this galvanize any voters? I rather doubt it.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.
"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?

218 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:08pm

re: #210 HoosierHoops

I did see, though that Michelle is not going to make the trip. She is subbing for the ONE on the trail. Hmmmm
makes one wonder.

Then again, would YOU want Joe Biden in charge for even a little while?

219 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:12pm

re: #211 Ojoe

Polls are BS. Ojoe's poll hammer:

1. Polls are public. There are at least 2 people present when a polling question is asked. The Ballot is private.

2. Poll questions can be worded in leading, tricky ways. The ballot is simple.

3. Polls can be used to try and influence the outcome of an election, so the motivation behind them and their reporting is suspect. The ballot is the election.

4. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.

5. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.

6. Only God knows the future anyway.

I had a pollster ask me if I was against the ban on the anti- something or other - it was a triple negative questions - I wrote it down on paper and figured it out and then gave the pollster my response.

220 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:51pm

re: #200 Querent

#190
oh we will. i'm looking forward to meeting the local lizards -- and i'm bringing the lizard-green cupcakes.

had you planned it to be a pot-luck lizard luncheon?

Kind of a mix - ya wanna cook a steak or chicken for your self - bring it. Wanna bring something to share OK as well. Full BBQ and commercial kitchen good to go.

221 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:37:58pm

re: #214 jemima

#189

I would have a problem if Barry was diagnosed as a pathological egomaniac, narcissist and sociopath--which he certainly seems to be. It's one thing to have been depressed and needed Zoloft but what Barry has can't be cured with pharmacology. Maybe he exhibited tendencies while at Columbia or Harvard. (Altho at Harvard would mental problems be so detectable?)

Many people in leadership positions with those Axis II features. More a trait than a real disorder.

222 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:06pm

re: #217 solomonpanting

Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?


cuz it is cali forn i cation

223 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:15pm

re: #213 Nevergiveup

Well Israel will be in range of Iranian Nuclear Missiles and Alaska will be in range of future North Korean Nuclear Missiles? I'd go to Israel to die with my people, especially since Sarah is taken.

Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.

224 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:25pm

re: #217 solomonpanting

Golly, gee, Buford, if it's against state law how can they have rights?

San Francisco certainly learned a lot from the AIDS epidemic of which it was the epicenter - now didn't it?

225 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:29pm

#191

Ploome, the best heirloom tomato I grow is Grandfather Ashlock. I got it from Carl Ashlock and he got it from his grandfather. It's spectacular. Pink beefsteak. Early, sweet, pumps the tomatoes out all season. I'll be glad to send you some seeds if you want.

226 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:38:35pm

To piggyback on Ojoe's Hammer, the polls are actually looking pretty good in spite of teh bias, the wrong partisan ID, etc., etc., etc.,

As said today on another blog:
"Look, it’s been pretty much confirmed that Obama’s own numbers only have him up by two in PA.

Think about what that means…and think about the national implications when you consider that all states are linked together in something of a political spectrum.

Mac may not be behind at all! [I regard this race as a PUSH and I have for a month now.]

As for IBD/TIPP…not bothered. Two huge Obama outliers drop off in the next two days. Reuters/Zogby has two O+10 outlier samples that will drop off tomorrow night/Thurs AM and day after tomorrow/Fri AM. Gallup has had two huge Obama days (today and yesterday). Those will drop off by Friday."

Hedgehog Report

227 El Lizardo mejicano  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:02pm

US intelligence: Iran will be able to build first nuclear bomb by February 2009

[Link: www.debka.com...]

I am sure that the messiah and his friends will be ready to have some tea with them in a heartbeat.

228 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:10pm

re: #221 Moe Katz

Many people in leadership positions with those Axis II features. More a trait than a real disorder.

Scares the sh*t out of me, especially if the phone is ringing at 0300.

229 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:33pm

commercial kitchen? yeah, we will be talking... i've been looking for one of those...

230 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:49pm

Why doesn't the HotAir article talk about Rezko, Odinga, etc?

231 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:39:55pm

re: #214 jemima

/www.nypost.com/seven/10172008/news/regionalnews/a irport_bomb_134003.htm" target="_blank">Reincarnation?

232 The Archivist  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:05pm

Levin is interviewing Brian Anderson right now, author of A Manifesto for Media Freedom
See [Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]
for info on the book.

Strategy...we need strategy!

233 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:09pm

re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia

Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.

We would happy and honored to have you.

234 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:11pm

re: #204 jemima


Hannity this afternoon was speculating on what this generated crisis will be and what Barry would do that would cause us not to support him.
Sean thought it would be no response and we'd be screaming for payback.

He was talking to Democrats at a fundraiser. So it must be something rich Democrats wouldn't like. (Me, I plan to scream at everything The One does in office.)

235 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:14pm

re: #228 smokefire

Scares the sh*t out of me, especially if the phone is ringing at 0300.


I'd rather have the sociopath at 3:00 A.M. than a 'normal' personality. They tend to be unflappable.

236 StudSupreme  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:21pm

re: #208 DistantThunder

Palin's reponse is that the children has been officially invited to participate in the government activity by their hosts.

Wait. Here's what I'm getting at:

The AP is continuing its Pravda - inspired Witch Hunt against Republicans, yet rather than show journalistic integrity by also investigating Ayers, Wright, ACORN or any of another half dozen things on Obama, they write a worshipful fluff piece.


THIS IS EVIL.

How do we keep a free press and yet permit them to violate their sacred trust by choosing sides and suborning/corrupting the political process?

I find myself deeply disturbed, even a bit frightened, by all this. And I'm no sissy - 6'2", 225, not a wimp by any means.

237 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:49pm

re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia

Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.

....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.

238 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:40:55pm
239 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:35pm

Today I celebrate four years as a lizard. Charles' treatment of Dan Rather and memogate brought me here on this date in 2004. Thanks for all you do Charles.

240 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:39pm

re: #231 Perplexed

Damned rebellious fingers and link grabbing pc.

241 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:42pm

re: #237 smokefire

....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.

Almost everyone knows some English in Israel.

242 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:45pm

re: #230 TheMatrix31

Why doesn't the HotAir article talk about Rezko, Odinga, etc?

So many transgressions, so little time...

243 spidly  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:41:49pm

re: #148 Sharmuta

Zogby had 0bama by +13% in Cali! Actual result- Clinton by 9.6!

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

here's one to cheer you
for 10/21 national

244 Geepers  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:14pm

Killgore Trout says:

Yeah, the thing about the polls being wrong is an urban myth going around.

Saturday, November 06th, 2004
State Poll Results

#11 - The LA Times Poll. the LA Times made predictions in 6 states, and in 5 Battleground States. Nationally, the LAT had 3 calls right, 3 wrong, and was off by an average of 7.67
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.

#10 - Fox News Poll. Fox News made predictions in 6 states, all in Battleground States. The FNP made 3 calls right, and 3 wrong, and was off by an average of 8.33 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.

#9 - Quinnipiac University Poll. Quinnipiac made predictions in 5 states, and in 2 Battleground States. The QUP made 4 calls right, and 1 call wrong, and was off by an average of 7.00 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.

#8 - American Research Group. ARG made predictions in all 50 states, and in all 14 Battleground States. ARG made 45 calls right, and 5 calls wrong, and was off by an average of 6.84 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.

#7 - Strategic Vision. SV made predictions in 11 states, and in 7 Battleground States. SV got 7 calls right, and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 6.27 points
one of their final polls was off by more than 10 points.
.

#6 - Zogby. Mr. “John Kerry Will Win” made predictions in 20 states, and in 13 Battleground States. Zogby got 16 calls right, and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 6.10 points
one of his final polls was off by more than 10 points
.

#5 - Mason-Dixon. M-D made predictions in 24 states, and in 13 Battleground States. M-D got 23 calls right, and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.75 points
.

#4 - CNN/USA Today/Gallup - CUG made predictions in 15 states, and in 12 Battleground States. CUG got 11 calls right and 4 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.33 points.


#3 - Research 2000 - R2K made predictions in 13 states, and in 7 Battleground States. R2K got 12 calls right, and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 5.15 points.


#2 - A close finish, but number two is Rasmussen Reports. RR made predictions in 33 states, and in 13 Battleground States. RR got all their calls correct, without a single miss, and they were off by an average of 5.82 points. What hurt them was their wide variance of accuracy in support. Three of their final polls were the closest for their state, but another 3 of their final polls were off by more than 10 points. In the Battleground States, RR got all 13 right, and they were off by an average of 4.15 points
.

#1 - (drum roll, please) Survey USA. SUSA made predictions in 30 states, and in 9 Battleground States. SUSA got 29 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.70 points. So, why does SUSA win with 29/30, and beat RR take second with 33/33? It comes down to hitting the bullseye. EIGHTEEN of Survey USA’s final polls were the closest for that state, almost twice as many as every other major poll PUT TOGETHER! Also, none of their polls were invalidated for being more than 10 points off. In the Battleground States, SUSA got 8 right and 1 wrong, and was off by an average of 3.44 points. Three of SUSA’s final polls in Battleground States were the closest for that state, again the best of any poll.

245 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:15pm

re: #222 bcgirl

re: #224 DistantThunder

If the cops won't bother with prostitution, maybe "safe sex" will take on a whole new meaning in SF.

246 El Lizardo mejicano  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:35pm

US intelligence’s amended estimate, that Iran will be ready to build its first bomb just one month after the next US president is sworn in, is disclosed by DEBKAfile’s Washington sources as having been relayed as a guideline to the Middle East teams of both presidential candidates, Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.

The information prompted the assertion by Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph Biden in Seattle Sunday, Oct. 19: “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.”
McCain retorted Tuesday, Oct. 21: “America does not need a president that needs to be tested. I’ve been tested. I was aboard the Enterprise off the coast of Cuba. I’ve been there.”)

DEBKAfile’s military sources cite the new US timeline: By late January, 2009, Iran will have accumulated enough low-grade enriched uranium (up to 5%) for its “break-out” to weapons grade (90%) material within a short time. For this, the Iranians have achieved the necessary technology. In February, they can move on to start building their first nuclear bomb.

US intelligence believes Tehran has the personnel, plans and diagrams for a bomb and has been running experiments to this end for the past two years. The UN International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna last week asked Tehran to clarify recent complex experiments they conducted in detonating nuclear materials for a weapon, but received no answer.

The same US evaluation adds that the Iranian leadership is holding off its go-ahead to start building the bomb until the last minute so as to ward off international pressure to stop at the red line.

This development together with the galloping global economic crisis will force the incoming US president to go straight into decision-making without pause on Day One in the Oval Office. He will have to determine which urgent measures can serve best for keeping a nuclear bomb out of the Islamic republic’s hands - diplomatic or military – and how to proceed if those measures fail.

His knowledge of the challenge colored Sen. Biden’s additional words in Seattle: “Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Israel’s political and military leaders also face a tough dilemma that can no longer be put off of whether to strike Iran’s nuclear installations militarily in the next three months between US presidencies before the last window closes, or take a chance on coordination with the next president.

Waiting for the “international community” to do the job of stopping Iran, as urged by governments headed by Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert - and strongly advocated Tzipi Livni, foreign minister and would-be prime minister - has been a washout. Iran stands defiantly on the threshold of a nuclear weapon.

247 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:37pm

re: #226 hermeneutics

Also, CNN ran a story earlier that Ed Rendell, Gov. of PA, is worried about PA and wants Obama to come back and campaign there some more. Rendell is a pretty blunt guy, usually if he says something he means it.

248 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:38pm

re: #237 smokefire

....then make some room in the suitcase for me then. Only problem I would have is trying to learn Hebrew.
But putting water on fire is pretty much the same everywhere.

There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.

249 Chris in Toronto  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:42:55pm

re: #48 Globular Cluster

I saw it last night. I thought it hilarious, however clumsy in some spots. Overall, I'd give it 4/5. But I have a bent sense of humour.

250 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:15pm

Our church leaders in Salt Lake say it's going to be a very bumpy ride and have been telling us to get prepared for the last 2 years.

We have a year's supply of food, and other ....things. We have a stable water supply as we sit on top of the purest aquifer in the US - in south Jersey - like 13 trillion gallons, part of the Wharton state forest.

We are in a position to pick up and evacuate if we have to OR

shelter in place and self-quarrantine.

251 jemima  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:21pm

#221

Most pols have an unhealthily big ego but I can't remember one lately who thought he was the messiah/the one. You get into the real freaks and dangerous guys when the pathology is that severe.

252 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:23pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided

Good news! And did you see in the text where it said the undecided will break for McCAin 4:1? I think it may be higher than that, personally. Anyone who has decided to support Obama already has -- the rest are simply unwilling to declare their vote for McCain.

MCCAIN WINS, Reptiles. He really does.

253 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:43pm

re: #239 HDrepub

Today I celebrate four years as a lizard. Charles' treatment of Dan Rather and memogate brought me here on this date in 2004. Thanks for all you do Charles.

in that case and in that vein...........this is for you

254 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:49pm

re: #219 DistantThunder

I have always refused to answer any poll on the grounds that it is not good for the country. as it discourages people to think for themselves and instead encourages group-think.

255 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:43:51pm

re: #116 David Simon

It was an Island vacation to Mautitius (NE of Madagascar). Very nice and relaxing. Lots of fish dinners.

256 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:28pm

re: #248 Cast Iron Magnolia

There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.

There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.

258 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:33pm

re: #248 Cast Iron Magnolia

There's always room for a friend.....I'll even bring cake. Or cornbread and peas.

Cornbread and peas are not allowed north of Beersheva!

259 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:38pm

re: #237 smokefire

....then make some room in the suitcase for me then.

I'll come too.

This election, I'm always thinking of that Chinese saying, "May you live in interesting times." Wonder why?/

260 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:44:53pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided

I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?

261 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:04pm

re: #256 Moe Katz

There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.

bring your own shade and water

262 DisgustingOratory  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:13pm

re: #183looking closely

I doubt how real the Bradley effect is, except that it will be the big excuse when all the polls are proven wrong.

They use a lot of bogus premises when the "weight" their data- and the assumption that it will be as cool as declaring "Obama!" on the phone when it comes to waiting in line at the polls I believe to be the big flaw. If the American Idol vote was held at polling places, turnout would be pretty low- and that's the exact same group we're talking about.

263 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:25pm

re: #247 arethusa

Also, CNN ran a story earlier that Ed Rendell, Gov. of PA, is worried about PA and wants Obama to come back and campaign there some more. Rendell is a pretty blunt guy, usually if he says something he means it.

Yes, and wouldn't it just be cake if Murtha lost his seat? After all, he's called Western Pennsylvanians racist and redneck, last week and this.

264 Eyes of Blue  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:37pm

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

No, but I am sitting here waiting for a lady to call and let me know she is done with her IRS audit.

We are suppose to go on our "first date" tonight and that's what we are going to see.

Unless she is too bummed out about the audit (or the IRS puts her in prison).


Ever notice when you put the word "the" and IRS together it spells theirs?

265 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:43pm

re: #241 Nevergiveup

Then I do hope the instructions on the Israeli fire trucks, are in English.

I'll be all set.

They light em
I fight em.

They set um,
I wet em.

266 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:44pm

re: #223 Cast Iron Magnolia

Well, "my people" are in Scotland! But, if Israel would adopt me, I'd be honored to stand with them against whatever may come.

Me too.

267 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:45:55pm

re: #262 DisgustingOratory

There will be the "Hussein" effect also. IMHO.

268 Perplexed  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:00pm

re: #260 David Simon

I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?

They vote the lesser of two evils while holding their nose.

269 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:14pm

re: #178 hermeneutics

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.

She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.

270 joncelli  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:27pm

Whoa. Major hamster hiccup.

271 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:33pm

re: #250 DistantThunder

DT -- On another thread, you mentioned that the Mormon Church has publications out on survival skills. Could you send me the URL? Thanks. Blue nic.

272 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:46:37pm

re: #265 smokefire

Then I do hope the instructions on the Israeli fire trucks, are in English.

I'll be all set.

They light em
I fight em.

They set um,
I wet em.

I thougth it likes peeing, just point and let it go?

273 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:09pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

Holy Hell! Philadelphia Daily News columnist calls Pennsylvanians "crackers"!

Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.

274 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:20pm

re: #236 StudSupreme

Wait. Here's what I'm getting at:

The AP is continuing its Pravda - inspired Witch Hunt against Republicans, yet rather than show journalistic integrity by also investigating Ayers, Wright, ACORN or any of another half dozen things on Obama, they write a worshipful fluff piece.


THIS IS EVIL.

How do we keep a free press and yet permit them to violate their sacred trust by choosing sides and suborning/corrupting the political process?

I find myself deeply disturbed, even a bit frightened, by all this. And I'm no sissy - 6'2", 225, not a wimp by any means.

We need to turn ourselves into a learning organization - the lbogosphere has been critical but it has been only a piece of it. We've been blindsided by the ACORN insurgency - and shocked by the Vichy conservatives that have turned on us. Our biggest problem is that a HUGE portion of the population does not understand prosperty, job creation, and capital. Mitt Romney is a financial genius -and Mike Huckabee mocked him to conservatives on the campaign trail as someone who fires you.

Republicans have to take total responsibility for the economic education of the ppopulation because the leftists in charge of public school will only teach them lies with a desire to enslave them.

275 pepper  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:22pm

re: #10 Chris in Toronto

Read the article on the Powell's Obama endorsement, the simplest reason would be that he chose to do it for personal conviction or gain.

276 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:22pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

It was an Island vacation to Mautitius (NE of Madagascar). Very nice and relaxing. Lots of fish dinners.

I've only seen pictures. Looks like a lovely place. It's a Muslim country, right?

277 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:31pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

bring your own shade and water

wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?

I watch the History Channel too.

278 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:47:35pm

re: #269 looking closely

She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.

Then please wear pants.

279 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:18pm

re: #273 arethusa

Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.

Whining about it means you're racist! ;p

280 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:36pm

re: #260 David Simon

I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?

I guarantee and I hate to say it but I suspect many of them are women.

281 big L  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:52pm

So why would the USA vote to confine ouselves, all of us, with cheapo-service health plan, or labyrinthine tax raises, taking a trillion dollars from our families, for nothing? Obama and team are going to remove 1 trillion dollars from us. Why would a people voluntarily submit to this. That is exactly what this is: "Submission" from the Islamic rituals. Obama, from whatever study of Muslim tenets is cooking us up like a lobster. A little freedom removed here, somemore there, until we are in "Submission". Isn't there a translation of an islamic word that says 'I submit"?

282 wolfie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:52pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

You promised you would tell us about the fish.
Grilled? Baked? Sauces?
What kind of fish?


I love fish.

283 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:53pm

re: #272 Nevergiveup

use to be, but ever since the Prostate surgery, the old hose just aint what it use to be. LOL

284 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:48:59pm

re: #246 El Lizardo mejicano

McCain served during the Cuban Missile Crisis? I didn't know that.

285 thedude  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:00pm

maybe BHO will take Clinton's recommendation of travel agents for his trip to Hawaii and use the same agent recommended to Ron Brown...

/js

286 poopeedoo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:01pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Exactly. That's what schoolchildren may be taught circa 2010:

"Where is Obama?"

Obama is everywhere.

What? Obama's omniscient, too?

287 Geepers  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:19pm

David Simon (#260),

I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?

The vast majority of people have no interest in politics whatsoever and only decide who they'll vote for in the last two weeks.

288 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:19pm

Polls are not an attempt to reflect reality; they are an attempt to influence reality.

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:22pm

re: #276 David Simon

They're mostly Indian brought to work in the sugar cane fields. Mostly Hindu, with assorted Christians, Muslims and Buddhists mixed in. Very friendly and shy people.

290 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:55pm

re: #268 Perplexed

They vote the lesser of two evils while holding their nose.

That's what I'm doing, and to me, the choice is still clear.

291 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:49:56pm

re: #269 looking closely

She becomes a Republican when monkeys fly out of my butt.

The Rodhams were Republican.

292 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:16pm

Even the Dems acknowledge that polling sucks:

[Link: dir.salon.com...]

In Georgia, pollsters had predicted Gov. Roy Barnes, the Democrat, would handily beat challenger Sonny Perdue: A Mason-Dixon poll had Barnes leading by 9 points, while one conducted by the Atlanta Constitution had him up by 11. Once the votes were counted, however, it was Perdue beating Barnes by 5 points -- a humiliating 16-point air ball for the pollsters.

They were just as prescient in Colorado, where an MSNBC/Zogby poll had Democratic challenger Tom Strickland trouncing incumbent Sen. Wayne Allard 53 percent to 44 percent. In reality, Allard strolled to a relatively stress-free 5-point win -- a 14-point blunder.

And in Illinois, another Zogby poll had the governor's race pitting Republican Jim Ryan against Democrat Rod Blagojevich as a statistical dead heat -- a finding that was, statistically, dead wrong. Blagojevich won, and Ryan and Zogby lost by 7 percentage points.

The pollsters' numbers were so off the mark that even they were forced to admit the obvious. "There was a lot of bad polling this year," acknowledged Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster. "We blew it," said John Zogby.

Here's another one, from Huffington post, about the ridiculous volatility of the Gallup polls:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Just how volatile where Gallup's results? Here are a few examples:

On August 8 Gallup had Bush 2 points ahead of Gore. Six days later, on August 13 they had Bush 16 points ahead. But one week later, on August 20, they had Gore back ahead by one.

The craziness didn't end with the nominating conventions either. On September 21 Gallup had Bush ahead of Gore by 10 points. Four days later, on September 25, Gore was back in the lead by 3. Then on October 5 Gallup had Bush ahead by 11. The next day, on October 6, his lead was down to one, and one day later, on October 7, Gore was ahead by 7.

Here's my favorite. On October 24 Gallup had Gore ahead of Bush by one point. Three days later, on October 27, they had Bush ahead by 13.

In their final pre-election poll Gallup gave Bush a 2 point lead--not too bad since Gore won the popular vote by less than a point. But two days earlier, Gallup had Bush ahead by 5.

293 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:22pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

Battleground 2008 poll shows STATISTICAL TIE, with 5% undecided

Thanks! I've forwarded this link to a friend who is working with McCain's campaign.

294 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:45pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

Cornbread and peas are not allowed north of Beersheva!

Uh-oh.........Israel may not even let me in the country! Woe is me.

295 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:50:52pm

re: #277 smokefire

wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?

I watch the History Channel too.

I watch the History Channel too.. So far every time I run outside to view UFO's they are never around...
It's a conspiracy I tell you..
/I don't really watch the History channel..

296 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:39pm

re: #280 DistantThunder

I guarantee and I hate to say it but I suspect many of them are women.

Oh now you've gone and done it. ;->

297 The Archivist  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:48pm

#259, arethusa

"This election, I'm always thinking of that Chinese saying, 'May you live in interesting times.' Wonder why?/

That's supposed to be a sly curse, I'm pretty sure. And we certainly do living in interesting times!

298 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:51:51pm

re: #277 smokefire

wait a minute, I thought there was a whole lot of those ancient Cisterns there that held lots of water?

I watch the History Channel too.

Held is the operative word- no longer. There is a nice cafeteria at the bottom of Masada. But boy what a slep to get a snack!

299 mama winger  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:00pm

re: #273 arethusa

Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.

I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)

300 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:16pm

re: #229 Querent

commercial kitchen? yeah, we will be talking... i've been looking for one of those...

Looking forward to meeting ... I did send you map and directions ... yes?

301 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:52:32pm

re: #130 Adrenalyn

media uses race card again

[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]

Is there anything that isn't a code word?

302 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:03pm

re: #299 mama winger

I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)

We could use more mama wingers. :-)

303 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:21pm

re: #291 HDrepub

The Rodhams were Republican.


She's a Clinton now.

Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.

Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.

304 mama winger  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:28pm

re: #302 arethusa

We could use more mama wingers. :-)

Be careful what you wish for - LOL

305 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:36pm

re: #294 Cast Iron Magnolia

Uh-oh.........Israel may not even let me in the country! Woe is me.

Actually I met a nice southern girl in Northern Israel once. Way south like from mexico and she was Jewish also! I was in love.

306 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:36pm

re: #256 Moe Katz

There's a nice safe place in Israel where y'all can hang out. Kind of a natural fortress, called Masada.

Sounds like the perfect place for us!

307 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:53:47pm

300
i've got the local area map -- have to check to see if you've sent an update and if how to get to said local area from a major freeway is included.

308 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:54:28pm

re: #304 mama winger

Be careful what you wish for - LOL

I am..
Need more mamawingers!
good evening..

309 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:01pm

re: #287 Geepers

David Simon (#260),

The vast majority of people have no interest in politics whatsoever and only decide who they'll vote for in the last two weeks.

The undecided vote is probably less than ten percent now. This is a very hot, politicized race. All have taken sides.

310 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:14pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

I hear you. Better half (the Jewish half), took one look at the cable car run from the ground to the top, and said 3 words NO F***ING WAY.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:55:46pm

I'm so excited. I just got here. Saw the "Joe the Bummer" thread a couple flights down. I called Biden "Joe the Bummer" yesterday morning.

So, I am going to take credit for the nic.

It means absolutely nothing (except to me) and I am sure that nobody cares (except for me) and I showed it to my wife and she called me an idiot (which I am). So...

Yay Me!

Ok, enough of that, I'm hungry. Anybody got anything to eat?

312 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:04pm

re: #273 arethusa

Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.

Hey, don't complain - you could be a *gasp* "Mississippian"

/

313 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:04pm

re: #273 arethusa

Why does everyone pick on PA in this election? We're bitter, we're clingy, we like guns, we like God, we're racists, we're rednecks, and now we're crackers too.

There is a contact form at the end of that piece, I used it. I am tired of being called racial names one minute and a racist the next.

314 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:11pm

re: #299 mama winger

I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)

Did I forget to mention that one of our baseball teams is really good? ;-)

(Well, this year, anyway.)

315 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:22pm

FVB -- here, have a lizard-green cupcake!

316 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:26pm

Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black

The "socialist" label that Sen. John McCain and his GOP presidential running mate Sarah Palin are trying to attach to Sen. Barack Obama actually has long and very ugly historical roots.

J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI from 1924 to 1972, used the term liberally to describe African Americans who spent their lives fighting for equality.

/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity

317 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:30pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

They're mostly Indian brought to work in the sugar cane fields. Mostly Hindu, with assorted Christians, Muslims and Buddhists mixed in. Very friendly and shy people.

Ah damn; I was thinking of Mauritania. Anyway, I hope to see both places one day.

318 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:42pm

re: #246 El Lizardo mejicano

US intelligence’s amended estimate, that Iran will be ready to build its first bomb just one month after the next US president is sworn in, is disclosed by DEBKAfile’s Washington sources as having been relayed as a guideline to the Middle East teams of both presidential candidates, Senators John McCain and Barack Obama.


Unfortunately, anything that comes from Debka is automatically suspect.
That site is fun to read, but its pure propaganda.

319 poopeedoo  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:43pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Nope, The polls were pretty accurate in 200 as well.

Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')

320 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:56:53pm

re: #310 smokefire

I hear you. Better half (the Jewish half), took one look at the cable car run from the ground to the top, and said 3 words NO F***ING WAY.

Well you can walk or run up either the snake trial or the roman ramp.

321 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:22pm

re: #312 Cast Iron Magnolia

............and just think if the Phillies win the WS.

322 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:44pm

re: #282 wolfie

They have a lot of Marlin there. They smoke it, very tasty. They also like to take a piece of fish with curry spices, ginger and wrap it in a banana leaf with some rice. Very good street food. There's a lot of french influence so the restaurants serve as creole grilled fish thing with a tomato sauce. Baked fish with lemon an Bon Herbs (dill, marjoram, parsley, etc).

323 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:46pm

re: #319 poopeedoo

Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')

Yup - there was one. It was called "The Emperor's Whim." ;-)

324 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:57:54pm

re: #319 poopeedoo

Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')

No but they still had Polish jokes.

325 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:47pm

re: #303 looking closely

She's a Clinton now.

Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.

Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.

She's got a lifetime gig in NY state after picking up Monihans (spelling?) seat. Her seat is as secure as those of our nine Supremes.

326 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #321 smokefire

if the Phillies win the WS.

If my a**

327 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:58:58pm

re: #320 Nevergiveup

................snakes? I hate snakes
Indiana Jones

328 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:29pm

re: #319 poopeedoo

Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')

Yes. They were actual poles.

329 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:30pm

re: #326 Stonemason

with a smile of course!

330 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:37pm

re: #321 smokefire

............and just think if the Phillies win the WS.

Like McCain in the polls, they are not the betting favorites. Rays are -1.35, Phils are +1.15. So I'd say that a Phillies win would be a good sign for underdogs everywhere. Oh, and the last time they won? 1980.

331 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:56pm

re: #325 hermeneutics

She's got a lifetime gig in NY state after picking up Monihans (spelling?) seat. Her seat is as secure as those of our nine Supremes.

I thought there were only 3 Supremes, even if Diana Ross thinks there was only one?

332 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:56pm

re: #309 hermeneutics

The undecided vote is probably less than ten percent now. This is a very hot, politicized race. All have taken sides.

Not to speak for Geepers, but I think he meant to say uninformed. And I wholeheartedly concur with that.

333 looking closely  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 4:59:59pm

re: #316 Killian Bundy

Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black

/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity

I know. This is crazy-talk.

/EVERYONE knows that when you call someone a "Socialist" you're really implying that they are JEWISH.

334 The Archivist  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:13pm

#316 Killian Bundy:

Good to see that the reader's of that article are having none of it. The insanity is being soundly rejected.

335 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:22pm

re: #326 Stonemason

oopsie, had to look closer at your avatar

336 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:26pm

re: #326 Stonemason

if the Phillies win the WS.

If my a**

Love your avatar!

337 HDrepub  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:31pm

re: #303 looking closely

She's a Clinton now.

Why would she give up her entire power base, including all her wealthy leftist donors, to grovel at the feet of the Republicans, whose base absolutely despises her? In a Republican primary, any legitimate Republican challenger would flick her off like a gnat.

Switching party allegiance would be the quickest way to ensure that NOBODY votes for her.

I'm wasn't saying she will change, only that her family were Republican. I am no fan of hers so I don't really care what she does, or doesn't do. If Obama wins this election, her national aspirations are over anyway, unless he screws up so badly the Donks want to be rid of him in 2012.

338 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:00:48pm

re: #169 Nevergiveup

No it's ok. She was the worst cook ever. Shit, she couldn't even make good reservations!

LOL.

339 SWPaul  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:01pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

Crackers? Keebler or Ritz?

340 Soona'  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:13pm

Auf wiedersehn'! Bis morgen.

341 joncelli  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:38pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leek and potato flatbread with a sprinkling of organic cheddar cheese? (Yes, my wife is a vegetarian. Yes, I hate it.)

342 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:01:53pm

re: #332 David Simon

Not to speak for Geepers, but I think he meant to say uninformed. And I wholeheartedly concur with that.

makes sense. I bet the undecideds are less than five percent anyway. McCain either won or lost the race by the end of the summer -- which is why I think he'll win. We all took a side, openly or clandestinely, after labor day. The so-called undecideds were those who took a side secretly. They'll break for McCain.

343 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:02:40pm

re: #336 arethusa

thanks...great time to have teenage boys and be a baseball fan!

344 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:11pm

re: #316 Killian Bundy

Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black


/seriously, where the hell do they come up with this insanity

Who knew "that one" was racist?

Pretty soon, the Republican vocabulary is going to be down to about fifteen words.

345 loflyer  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:17pm

Evening mates, whats going on and who's fighting, if anyone?

346 Cicero05  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:22pm

re: #342 hermeneutics

The so-called undecideds were those who took a side secretly. They'll break for McCain.

In the famous observation of Bush 41, "the undecideds can break either way."

347 J.D.  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:23pm
...By almost a 2-1 margin in this poll, 62% to 32%, Americans said they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system. ...

Scary, huh?
Poll: Public supports health care for all

348 joncelli  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:03:32pm

re: #318 looking closely

Debka is really connected in Israel so their domestic reports are surprisingly reliable; it's when they talk about anything else BUT Israel that you need a pillar of salt.

349 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:11pm

.........a lot of McCain supporters are just lurking in the tall grass, saying nothing, and waiting until election. Will not talk, nor admit to anything to stay out of "in your face" crazed Obamatons.

350 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:17pm

re: #319 poopeedoo

Were there polls back in 200? (Just askin')

Yep, and they usually had heads at the tops.

351 rightymouse  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:41pm

re: #260 David Simon

I'll take what I can get, but what the hell is up with the "undecideds"? What can you possibly be undecided about at this stage of the game?

I thought the same thing not too long ago and voiced that here. Well...I met an undecided. She is not that well informed, but intelligent. Her life has been difficult. The irony is that she has an innate dislike of socialism but wants some kind of break for herself. She trusts me, so hopefully, I can sway her. You can't go too hard at undecideds, though. They truly are confused and any over-the-top stuff will turn them off.

352 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:42pm

O'Reilly just showd 0bama's blurb.

Good job Zombie!

353 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #339 SWPaul

Crackers? Keebler or Ritz?

What kind goes best with iranian caviar?

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:05:11pm

re: #315 Querent

i like cupcakes!

355 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #178 hermeneutics

There's always a chance that Hillary will be so turned off by Obama's supporters that she sees the light and becomes a Republican. We'd welcome her -- sans health care nationalization.

A few of my neurons fired out a really strange conspiracy conjecture:

The October 29th Televised Obamapalooza is where "The One©" announces Senator Biden will step down due to "health reasons" (foot-in mouth disease?) and Senator Clinton will be the replacement VP candidate. Seeing how "The One©" speaks fluent thug, and already has a coven of followers that will do anything no matter needed no matter how illegal to make sure "The One©" is anointed, it might be Hillary that has to hire a food taster and avoid national parks and airplanes should the Dem ticket win.

356 J.D.  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:09pm

re: #352 jetprop

O'Reilly just showd 0bama's blurb.

Good job Zombie!

I musta missed sumpin...

357 pepper  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:23pm

Zombie's Ayer's - Obama connection is headlining OReilly.

358 MrSnuggles  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:45pm

re: #346 Cicero05

If they asked people if they want a 60% tax rate, theyd say no.

359 formercorpsman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:06:59pm

re: #357 pepper

LINK please.

360 gregg  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:19pm

If you could convince the pollsters that a lot of Democrats weren't going to go through the hassle of voting, because Obama has such a big lead, I wonder if the polls would suddenly tighten?

361 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:26pm

re: #357 pepper

Zombie's Ayer's - Obama connection is headlining OReilly.

Is he crediting zombie?

362 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:40pm

How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?

363 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:42pm

re: #187 Moe Katz

Health care reform Government run health care is the sine qua non of what she stands for.

Fixed for ya'

364 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:45pm

re: #357 pepper

Zombie's Ayer's - Obama connection is headlining OReilly.


Must watch

365 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:07:54pm

re: #356 J.D.

I musta missed sumpin...

In the first five minutes of the show. Mr. O is highlighting a radio interview with Ayers.

366 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:15pm

re: #358 MrSnuggles

If they asked people if they want a 60% tax rate, theyd say no.

however with the master illusionist, they will be lulled into believing that the tax rate is good.

367 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:23pm

re: #352 jetprop

O'Reilly just showd 0bama's blurb.

Good job Zombie!

Way to go Zombie!

368 J.D.  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:33pm

re: #365 jetprop

In the first five minutes of the show. Mr. O is highlighting a radio interview with Ayers.

OK...and where does zombie fit in? She/He was talking about something upcoming earlier today...

369 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:34pm

re: #362 MandyManners

How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?

I'd guess the same 2 as president but that's only a guess

370 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:37pm

re: #362 MandyManners

How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?

I'm not aware of a term limit for a VP...

371 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:47pm

re: #361 Fat Jolly Penguin

Is he crediting zombie?

No

372 kcladderman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:08:57pm

re: #355 FurryOldGuyJeans

A few of my neurons fired out a really strange conspiracy conjecture:

The October 29th Televised Obamapalooza is where "The One©" announces Senator Biden will step down due to "health reasons" (foot-in mouth disease?) and Senator Clinton will be the replacement VP candidate. Seeing how "The One©" speaks fluent thug, and already has a coven of followers that will do anything no matter needed no matter how illegal to make sure "The One©" is anointed, it might be Hillary that has to hire a food taster and avoid national parks and airplanes should the Dem ticket win.

I would take Hillary over Obama in any fight.

373 fish  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:05pm

re: #47 DisgustingOratory

Guys, make sure you don't refer to Obama as "socialist". It has been determined this is racist.

[Link: voices.kansascity.com...]

Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:

Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack

374 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:06pm

re: #327 smokefire

................snakes? I hate snakes
Indiana Jones

I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!

375 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:08pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

i like cupcakes!

how abt. gingerbread w/candied pears.

376 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:18pm

re: #361 Fat Jolly Penguin

Is he crediting zombie?

No mention.

377 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:09:44pm

re: #371 alien_mind

No

re: #376 jetprop

No mention.

Pleh.

378 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:20pm

re: #371 alien_mind

No

Well that sucks!

I also missed it so I shall have to watch it later.

379 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:24pm

re: #376 jetprop

No mention.

Will Zombie take offense or just be grateful that the news got out somewhere?

380 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:41pm

re: #370 Fat Jolly Penguin

I'm not aware of a term limit for a VP...

I think your right

381 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:43pm

re: #362 MandyManners

there is no limit in the Constitution on Vice Presidential terms.

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:10:50pm

re: #375 nyc redneck

how abt. gingerbread w/candied pears.

Yep! Pass it!

383 J.D.  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:01pm

I thought Laura Ingraham made a good point last night when she said the media has been all over Joe the plumber but they've shown no interest in Bill Ayers.

I wish I hadn't missed the zombie thing...

384 arethusa  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:13pm

re: #362 MandyManners

How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?

No limit. Could be a flaw in the 22nd Amendment, I guess.

385 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:16pm

dessert thread!

386 Cast Iron Magnolia  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:36pm

G'nite, Lizards.

Keep the faith. We're gonna WIN.

387 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:38pm

re: #202 SpartanWoman

Hey she was a Goldwater girl, ya know

People told me that if I supported Goldwater there'd be a war in Vietnam and I'd have to go. They were right.

388 Chris in Toronto  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:40pm

re: #275 pepper

thanks.

389 kcladderman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:45pm

re: #373 fish

Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:

Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack

That guy is always crying racism about something in everyone of his columns.

390 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:11:51pm

Of Course it is also racist to refer to him as:

Inexperienced
Liberal
Misguided
Posessing poor judgement
Hawiian
American
From a Midwestern state
or
Barack Hussein
Former cocaine user
Community Organizer
Heavy Smoker
Muslim
Present

391 jetprop  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:02pm

re: #379 SpartanWoman

Will Zombie take offense or just be grateful that the news got out somewhere?

hmmm..dunno.

Probably be glad it got out.
/just speculating.

392 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:03pm

re: #385 Querent

dessert thread!


M&Ms with Almonds

393 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:09pm

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep! Pass it!

here you go, w/ a dollop of whipped cream.
you can take that off if you're worried abt. the calories.
;)

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:40pm

re: #386 Cast Iron Magnolia

G'nite, Lizards.

Keep the faith. We're gonna WIN.

DIG!

395 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:43pm

re: #362 MandyManners

How many terms is a person limited to be the vice president?

22nd Amendment:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

No mention of the VP.

396 livefreeor die  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:12:44pm

re: #299 mama winger

I just might have to move to Pennsylvania :)

We would love to have you here but in the Philly suburbs there are a lot of moonbats. We keep our political leanings to ourselves until we find fellow Republicans. Our oldest son has had some unfortunate incidents where some of his middle school teachers seemed to find his views too moderate for their tastes and gave him either bad grades or worse. My "favorite" was one teacher who made him Larry Craig for the mock senate his grade did last year. The principal is still apologizing to me but did anything happen to the teacher? Nope.

397 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:19pm

I pray that the accurate poll is the straw poll on AOL.

398 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:30pm

re: #389 kcladderman

Love the Avatar KC.

Brother in Arms from New England

399 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:32pm

re: #385 Querent

dessert thread!

PUMPKIN PIE.

400 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:13:43pm

re: #377 Fat Jolly Penguin

Pleh.

I think the actual story about Obama's endorsement of Ayers' book has been out for a bit, though it was buried - I know I read about it a couple of weeks ago, somewhere (I can't remember where), but I never saw the photo/blurb until zombie came up with it. That really hit it home - and I would imagine that the timing suggests it's zombie's scoop O'Reilly is basing his story on.

401 SpartanWoman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:38pm

re: #400 capitalist piglet

I think the actual story about Obama's endorsement of Ayers' book has been out for a bit, though it was buried - I know I read about it a couple of weeks ago, somewhere (I can't remember where), but I never saw the photo/blurb until zombie came up with it. That really hit it home - and I would imagine that the timing suggests it's zombie's scoop O'Reilly is basing his story on.

I hope he shows the office building too

402 Querent  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:44pm

#400
so can we question the timing?

403 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:47pm

re: #374 HoosierHoops

I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!

It's amazing what a little Adrenalin will do and how fast acting it is. ... I also have an almost stepped on a snake and got airborne in mid stride experience - can relate.

404 loflyer  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:48pm

re: #374 HoosierHoops

I'll tell you a story..When I was a kid we went down to the gravel pits to swim.
One time me and my buddies were just about 5 feet from walking down the path to the water..and jumping in..When my friend Steve said look at all the baby snakes..and i bent over to check one out when a mama snake reared it's head from under the long grass.
I screamed and jumped 10 feet in the air.. I'll never forget the look on the snake as it looked straight up and totally freaked out as I sailed over it's head. The long jump record was set then and there...3 miles later I was safe at home..I hate snakes!

Almost as good as when my first girlfriend and I were engaging in extracurricular activities in a lake at sunset, and a water moccasin comes swimming by! We didn't miss a beat mate!

405 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:14:58pm

Are ya'll watching O'Reilly? You seeing this shit commercial against Sarah Palin?

How fucked up are these people?

406 Moe Katz  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:07pm

re: #363 Son of the Black Dog

Fixed for ya'

Probably not. A single payer system would be difficult to implement in the USA because of the entrenched interests of the insurance companies. It likely end up as a complicated scheme in which the private sector would still participate extensively.

407 joncelli  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:26pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Why would anybody want to do it for more than 8 years? ;-) (As far as I can tell, the 22nd Amendment applies only to presidents, so the VP can serve as often as he/she wants.)

408 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:33pm

Apple Crisp, with a little Bourbon on top, and some whipped cream......................

There you go Fat Bastard Vegetarian, enjoy

409 David Simon  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:46pm

re: #347 J.D.

Scary, huh?
Poll: Public supports health care for all

Too much nonsense in that link to blockquote; I'll leave it at this:

While a solid majority of people tended to be happy with their own quality of health care, the poll found "significant concern with the system more broadly

In other words, the Fourth Estate has become a Fifth Column: Over a quarter billion Americans are covered by the finest health care system in the world, and the rest have access to it, and are either too lazy or too stupid to figure it out. There is no health care crisis! But the media keep parroting the Democratic talking points, and so most people think something needs to be "fixed." Madness!

410 kcladderman  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:49pm

re: #398 smokefire

Love the Avatar KC.

Brother in Arms from New England

20 years KCFD

411 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:15:54pm

Megyn Kelly is ripping a new are into the idiots that made this pos.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:36pm

re: #408 smokefire

Apple Crisp, with a little Bourbon on top, and some whipped cream......................

There you go Fat Bastard Vegetarian, enjoy

NOM NOM NOM!

414 alien_mind  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:37pm

does Newt Gingrich publish a bookre: #405 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Are ya'll watching O'Reilly? You seeing this shit commercial against Sarah Palin?

How fucked up are these people?

one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen.

415 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:16:49pm

re: #396 livefreeor die

where in the burbs...if you don't mind me asking. I'm in the Brandywine valley area.

At the McCain rally last week I ran into one of the middle school principals...I was seriously shocked.

416 livefreeor die  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:18pm

re: #406 Moe Katz

Probably not. A single payer system would be difficult to implement in the USA because of the entrenched interests of the insurance companies. It likely end up as a complicated scheme in which the private sector would still participate extensively.

In moments of "What if Barry win" panic I remind myself of what happened when Hillary tried to change the health care system with a Democratic Congress. They got mired down by the insurance companies, AMA, and hospital lobbies.

417 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:38pm

re: #410 kcladderman

22 years and counting Norwich, CT. FD
9 years Naval Submarine Base FD.

418 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:17:46pm

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

NOM NOM NOM!


Then how about some bread pudding with chunks of white chocolate buried inside and a rich, with chocolate sauce on top?

419 J.D.  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:04pm

re: #418 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Bourbon sauce on top!

421 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:28pm

The Kid asked that question but I could find nothing about it in the Constitution.

Thanks, Lizards!

422 nyc redneck  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:31pm

re: #408 smokefire

Apple Crisp, with a little Bourbon on top, and some whipped cream......................

There you go Fat Bastard Vegetarian, enjoy

i'll swap you some gingerbread for a small serving of the apple crisp, heavy on the bourbon.

423 smokefire  Tue, Oct 21, 2008 5:18:34pm

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh heh heh, eating out my hand.