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Kirchick: Left-Wing Hatred Out of Control for Years

Opinion | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:29:53 am PDT

We’ve been documenting the extreme hatefulness (racism, antisemitism, hate speech, conspiracy theories, you name it) that is overwhelmingly common among left-wingers and Obama supporters for years, and the New Republic’s James Kirchick points out the abysmal hypocrisy of the media—where this vitriolic nastiness has been completely ignored in their rush to demonize the McCain campaign: Who are left-wing haters to point fingers at John McCain?

Since 9/11, major anti-war rallies have included people holding signs and puppets comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler. Leftist writer Naomi Wolf, who has expressed fears that the feds were monitoring her children’s letters from summer camp, recently published a book titled, “The End of America,” which likens the Bush administration to a fascist junta.

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann spews over-the-top, hateful rhetoric in his “Special Comments” on a regular basis. He has said that the Bush administration threatens America with a “new type of fascism,” referred to the GOP as the “leading terrorist group in this country” on the fifth anniversary of 9/11, and has said that Fox News is “worse than Al Qaeda” and “as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was.”

Have the journalists now bemoaning the low tactics of the McCain campaign and its supporters never set eyes upon the wildly popular Huffington Post? That Web site hosts countless angry rants, many examples of which are too vulgar to document in a family newspaper. In 2004, Nicholson Baker wrote a novel imagining the assassination of President Bush. Last week, Fox’s “Family Guy” depicted Nazis donning McCain-Palin buttons.

If these fringe (and most of them are hardly fringe) individuals don’t speak for American liberalism writ large - as most “respectable” liberals will tell us when confronted by the examples enumerated above - then the stray hecklers at McCain-Palin rallies cannot represent American conservatism.

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1 Macker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:00am

Preachin' to the Choir....

2 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:32am

indeed

3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:43am

Is this guy some kind of racist?

/

4 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:03am

The media and the left's unhinged actions since 2000 speak for themselves. (Okay, I'm a member of the Department of Redundancy Department).

5 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:24am

and still, not one of my liberal friends
can tell me when McCain became a Republican

one actually blurted out, after 30 second of stunned silence

when, when, when he endorsed Bush's bailout of the banks

yeah, along with 0bama
another blank stare.......


Savage is right though
liberalism is a mental disorder

have not listened to him in ages
what does he say these days ?

6 jorline  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:31am
Leftist writer Naomi Wolf, who has expressed fears that the feds were monitoring her children’s letters from summer camp, recently published a book titled, “The End of America,” which likens the Bush administration to a fascist junta.

Sleeps with trolls under her bed at night.

What...who's there

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:46am

They don't criticize their fellow travelers because they don't think their fellow travelers are wrong.

8 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:56am

Charles, Your link goes to page 2 of 2...In case you didn't notice.

9 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:34:35am

Remember how back in the 90's the left used to say "Hate is not a family value" to Republicans?

Hate is not a value, lefties. Period.

10 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:06am

Isn't the New Republic a liberal publication? Home of Scotty Beauchamp and Stephen Glass? And they got something right? Wow. First Alec Baldwin making sense, and now this. I need my smelling salts.

11 maddogg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:39am

re: #9 arethusa

Remember how back in the 90's the left used to say "Hate is not a family value" to Republicans?

Hate is not a value, lefties. Period.

Hatred of the Left is a value in my family.

12 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:13am

And these are the nuts who want the keys to this asylum?

13 Shug  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:21am

The american Mainstream media are like internet trolls

14 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:25am

The automatic, unreasoning hatred of anything Republican is appalling, as is the ignorance.

Try telling a moonbat that Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican, and watch what happens.

15 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #10 doppelganglander

First Alec Baldwin making sense ...


Wot? When did that happen?

(I do wish he had moved to Canada>)

16 Knitwit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:51am

IMO this is why Air America didn't go anywhere - never any real news, nothing but vitriol and shrill name-calling.

17 jcm  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:30am

Edwards had a point.....

Two Americas.

Sane and Insane.

18 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:14am

re: #4 lawhawk

The media and the left's unhinged actions since 2000 speak for themselves. (Okay, I'm a member of the Department of Redundancy Department).

They were unhinged before that.

They fawned over Clinton, even during the impeachment. During the impeachment, we were told about the evil Republicans going after Clinton, and how bad Newt was.

Their coverage of the Clarence Thomas SCOTUS confirmation was less than stellar. We were told about porn flicks and Anita Hill. We were told the word "harassment" was pronounced "harris-ment".

They demonized Reagan for taking on the Soviets. They demonized Reagan for deregulation. They demonized Reagan while he was fixing the economy. They demonized Reagan after he fixed the economy for the excesses of the 80s.

They replayed the clips of Ford falling down the stairs of the airplane gangway over and over again. This, to a man who played football in college; a man who was more athletic than 99% of the media.

They said we lost at the Gulf of Tonkin, and that we we better off with the Great Society.

They've been unhinged for a long, long time.

19 slartybartfast  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:26am

When I think of disgusting HuffPo, I always think of this:

Billy Graham's Wife Ruth Dies At 87

Comments for this post are now closed

/nuff said.

20 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:48am

There is a very bad evil out there. It is demonic.

21 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:38am

re: #20 mama winger

Concur 100 %

22 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:17am

Over at the Campaign Spot they have a good question about the hate mail they get from the left every time they announce some bad poll news for Obama.

But why are they so bothered by one guy saying that a landslide isn't inevitable? Why does "your guy might not win" send them into paroxysms of rage?

23 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:25am

From The Corner:
CNN's Rank Dishonesty [Rich Lowry]

Watch this clip from a CNN interview with Sarah Palin (I'm assuming nothing of significance has been edited out by TPM). And then read the context of the quote from Byron's favorable story on how Palin governed from an issue ago:

Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, it’s sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward, or — or, well, all of the above. Palin, the governor of Alaska, has faced more criticism than any vice-presidential candidate since 1988, when Democrats and the press tore into Dan Quayle. In fact, Palin may have it even worse than Quayle, since she’s taking flak not only from Democrats and the press but from some conservative opinion leaders as well....

Yes, there are legitimate concerns about Palin’s lack of experience. Who wouldn’t, at the very least, wish that she had more time in the governor’s office on her résumé? But a look at Palin’s 20 months in power, along with interviews with people who worked with her, shows her to be a serious executive, a governor who picked important things to do and got them done — and who didn’t just stumble into an 80 percent job-approval rating.

I'm disgusted, but not surprised.


UPDATE: TPM updates to note CNN distorted the quote.

Also, I’m told the full interview included this from the interviewer (although I haven’t seen it yet): "But they were talking about the fact that your experience as governor is not getting out. Do you feel trapped in this campaign that your message is not getting out and if so who do you blame?"
The Corner

24 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:33am

Why has Obama never come out and denounced this hate?

Why has he never come out and denounced those who call him the Messiah?

Why?

It is everywhere, and he pretends he does not know it.

I think he likes both of these views.

25 phil flavin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:37am

re: #20 mama winger

And I am afraid that it is actually going to get worse!

26 equable  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:55am

Last night was gorgeous, so I popped open a Newcastle and went outside to look at the sky and feel that beautiful and cool Southern California autumn breeze caress my brow.

I looked up the street and saw a couple of teenage boys walking rather quickly, and when they passed me I saw that they were carrying McCain/Palin lawn signs. Being teenage boys and that it was about 10 P.M. and the fact that they were giggling like idiots led me to believe that the possibility that they were volunteering for the McCain campaign were patently slim.

So when I asked them where they got the signs they tried to take off running. I'm a guitarist in a punk band, so I am no stranger to moving around fast. I caught up to them and blocked their way and gave them a choice: put the lawn placards back where they came from or I could call the police. I followed them around the neighborhood as they put them back, while lecturing them about how hypocritical they were acting and how their actions were an affront to the constitution and the Founder's ideals.

All this without spilling one single drop of the precious elixir that is the Newcastle Brown.

27 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:01am

re: #16 Knitwit

IMO this is why Air America didn't go anywhere - never any real news, nothing but vitriol and shrill name-calling.

But I read on Power Line that Franken is gaining traction.

What is happening to my country? Is it something in the water?

28 Onslow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:01am

Too many liberals have adopted a posture of "no enemies to the left."

29 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:25am

re: #20 mama winger

There is a very bad evil out there. It is demonic.

Demonic AND pernicious. It WILL NOT go away if we ignore it. It will seek us out until we FINALLY CONFRONT it and DESTROY it!

30 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:46am

If you don't think there is anything wrong with what you're observing, why would you criticize it? This is why the leftist freaks we've seen thanks to zombie, Ringo, and NoSubmission (UrbanInfidel) get a pass from the media elities to the DNC leadership. They see nothing wrong with it from their side of the aisle.

But they are also hypocrites, so if it's viewed coming from the right, even marginally, it's shouted from the rooftops as though it was a throng of jack booted thugs coming to eat your babies. It's truly a warped, sick mindset.

31 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:48am

re: #21 Ojoe

Concur 100 %

It's oppressive, it's invasive, it's abusive and it is pervasive.

I am thinking that this election must be fought on our knees.

32 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:23am

If the Bush administration was even half as bad as people like Naomi Wolf and Keith Olbermann say it is, they and 5000 of their closest friends would be looking at the world through a chain link fence at an abandoned Air Force base somewhere in the middle of the Dakotas.

33 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:29am

Like that old Petra song ......

Get on your knees and fight like a man.

34 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:32am

People used to think I was crazy when I talked about moonbatism being a mental disorder. When you think about the root of the problem, though, it really IS a mental disorder: A fundamental disconnect from reality. Somewhere along the line, the moonbat builds a fantasy world - almost like a straw man for them to argue against. I'm not quite sure what medical term would be applied to this form of delusion, but it's quite clear to me that it is a real, and serious, problem that too many Americans have.

/Can I PLEASE start shooting them with the moonbat tranquilizer gun now?
//Only the above line is a joke, I just couldn't resist

35 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:35am

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

True. It started in 1996 with the Contract for America.

36 redheadredstate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:04am

MSM=PRAVDA

37 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:05am
Last week, Fox’s “Family Guy” depicted Nazis donning McCain-Palin buttons.

What in the world?! For real? Why? Who writes this shit?

38 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:07am

Called Bush Hitler? I wish that was all they did.

Are we forgetting the ever present calls for his death?

39 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:14am

Bravissimo, equabble! And well done, too.

40 johnnyreb[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:28am
41 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:35am

re: #27 unreconstructed rebel

But I read on Power Line that Franken is gaining traction.

What is happening to my country? Is it something in the water?

Water? I never touch the stuff - that's what fish pee in.

42 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:41am

Sorry for the repost - but I made it at the end of the last thread and it seems appropriate here:

Now all Lefties have drunk deeply of the Kool-Aid.
And to think, a cornerstone of Obama's campaign is that the World will like us more - wonder how much the World will enjoy: paying for their own military defense (cause we sure won't be able to help 'em out); paying for their own natural disaster relief, their own Malaria shots, Flu shots and all of the "free" medical stuff we've given over the years - hell over the decades and decades (does anyone remember the "Marshall Plan" that LITERALLY saved Western Europe's ass?). How about the Berlin Airlift?
Yeah, I'm quite sure the World will like us a whole lot more if Obama should win the (shudder) Presidency.

43 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:01am

re: #24 mama winger

Why has Obama never come out and denounced this hate?

Why has he never come out and denounced those who call him the Messiah?

On the contrary, he's come out and said, "Get in their faces."

44 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:26am

re: #26 equable

dude, you are my hero. :)

45 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:38am

re: #31 mama winger

It's oppressive, it's invasive, it's abusive and it is pervasive.

I am thinking that this election must be fought on our knees.

Monica Lewinsky is on our side now?

46 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:45am

re: #15 unreconstructed rebel

Wot? When did that happen?

(I do wish he had moved to Canada>)

He nailed the Democrats (by name) for the subprime mortgage mess.

47 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:49am

re: #24 mama winger

That's what bothers me the most about him. How can a man who won't stand up to these people and all their nonsense stand up for his country?

48 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:52am

From the comments section on that essay by Kirchick:


Bingoo Oct 22, 2008 9:06:41 AM
"Kirchick is an assistant editor at The New Republic." I wish you would have placed this at the top instead of the bottom -- it would have spared me five minutes of trying to figure out what unrecognizable universe the writer lives in. The New Republic is the house organ of the Jewish neocons in the United States, and I quit my subscription of it a decade ago over the ceaseless slant to neocon positions on every issue addressed. I got tired of having to try to separate the honest analysis from the the underlying agenda in every piece I read. I see nothing's changed.

The New Republic is a neocon publication? Who knew? I guess Scott Beauchamp was a Rovian plant to make the left look like a bunch of liars and idiots.

49 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:52am

re: #35 Sharmuta

True. It started in 1996 with the Contract for America.

And I mean, that's when the left went all out, because it was a major shift in power to lose Congress after all that time.

50 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:12am

re: #37 MandyManners

What in the world?! For real? Why? Who writes this shit?

The writer is a huge supporter of Obama.

51 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:15am

re: #31 mama winger

Yes, this election is the physical manifestation of a spiritual battle.

52 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:17am

re: #43 Silhouette

On the contrary, he's come out and said, "Get in their faces."

Exactly. He encourages violence, hatred, and abuse. All in the name of Dear Leader.

53 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #26 equable

Last night was gorgeous, so I popped open a Newcastle and went outside to look at the sky and feel that beautiful and cool Southern California autumn breeze caress my brow.

I looked up the street and saw a couple of teenage boys walking rather quickly, and when they passed me I saw that they were carrying McCain/Palin lawn signs. Being teenage boys and that it was about 10 P.M. and the fact that they were giggling like idiots led me to believe that the possibility that they were volunteering for the McCain campaign were patently slim.

So when I asked them where they got the signs they tried to take off running. I'm a guitarist in a punk band, so I am no stranger to moving around fast. I caught up to them and blocked their way and gave them a choice: put the lawn placards back where they came from or I could call the police. I followed them around the neighborhood as they put them back, while lecturing them about how hypocritical they were acting and how their actions were an affront to the constitution and the Founder's ideals.

All this without spilling one single drop of the precious elixir that is the Newcastle Brown.

Well done!

54 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #47 arethusa

That's what bothers me the most about him. How can a man who won't stand up to these people and all their nonsense stand up for his country?

He likes it - he agrees with it.

55 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #7 Sharmuta

They don't criticize their fellow travelers because they don't think their fellow travelers are wrong.

Amen, and they think of Conservatives as "evil" rather than "wrong". If one is fighting "evil", one's thoughts and actions are per se "right".

56 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #28 Onslow

Too many liberals have adopted a posture of "no enemies to the left."

They are going to get us all flanked if they don't wise up.

57 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:55am

re: #51 Ojoe

Yes, this election is the physical manifestation of a spiritual battle.

Yes sir. Yes sir.

58 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:55am

re: #50 Silhouette

The writer is a huge supporter of Obama.

But...but...he's on Fox!

59 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:59am

One thing which I have found when I confront my Lefty friends about Leftwing hatred is that many of them find hatred by the Left towards the Republicans to not really be hatred at all. In their minds, hating Republicans is akin to hating Nazis or Klansmen, and therefore it is not only justifiable, but virtuous.

In other words, equating Bush with Hitler is not hateful, it's simply the obvious truth; Bush is like Hitler...and so making such a comparison cannot by definition be hateful, it's just reality.

60 kcladderman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:10am

re: #38 Silhouette

Called Bush Hitler? I wish that was all they did.

Are we forgetting the ever present calls for his death?

Traveling back in time to kill the infant Bush.And they say Bush is evil

61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:10am

re: #37 MandyManners

What in the world?! For real? Why? Who writes this shit?

Seth McFarlane, a hipster moonbat who nearly lost his life on 9/11 - he changed flights from what proved to be one of the hijacked jets - but he thinks that Bush is the enemy.

62 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:11am

re: #50 Silhouette

The writer is a huge supporter of Obama.

My response made no sense.

63 Pyrocles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:12am

Damn, most of the comments there are from raving moonbats. This must have been linked to Digg or Fark.

64 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:14am

And the hate goes beyond mere words. Now comes word that Sen. Norm Coleman's garage was vandalized.

A spokesman for Sen. Norm Coleman says that vandals wrote graffiti on the garage of his St. Paul home that called the senator "scum" and a "criminal."

Coleman and his wife, Laurie, live in the Crocus Hill neighborhood of St. Paul. Spokesman Mark Drake says Wednesday morning that grafitti left on the outside of the garage says: "You are a criminal resign or else"; "Scum," which is written three times; and "Psalm 2."

65 Hellfire[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:25am
66 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:32am

BBL (work)

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:44am

re: #45 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Monica Lewinsky is on our side now?

That sucks!

68 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:53am

Kichick is going to have to start looking for a new gig soon.

69 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:00am

re: #26 equable
Good on you! But really - teenagers in Southern California - maybe near L.A.? Y'all be careful you don't go blocking what turns out to be a bunch of gang-bangers now, heah?
I mean they are better armed than the police!

70 jpkoch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:12am

We ain't seen nothing yet. Just think of what an Obama AG will bring to those who "oppose" The Anointed One. Do not put anything past them (Internet monitoring and censors), harassment of "enemies", and mid night raids. Obama and his followers have scores to settle and souls to save.

71 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Seth McFarlane, a hipster moonbat who nearly lost his life on 9/11 - he changed flights from what proved to be one of the hijacked jets - but he thinks that Bush is the enemy.

What pisses me off is the inclusion of a Family Guy game in The Kid's PSP.

72 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:24am

The New Republic? I thought they were a left-wing magazine. What the hell's gotten into this guy?

73 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #49 Sharmuta

And I mean, that's when the left went all out, because it was a major shift in power to lose Congress after all that time.

Yes. That's when they went from smug and mildly unhinged to extremely unhinged. Now we're pegging the unhinged meter.

74 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #48 Kenneth

But I do understand the poor poster thinking this is from some "unrecognizable universe." His worldview is probably so distorted, that this universe we inhabit IS unrecognizable to him.

75 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:48am

re: #15 unreconstructed rebel

Wot? When did that happen?

(I do wish he had moved to Canada>)

He had a piece in the Puffington Host saying that Sarah Palin was a good sport on SNL and was treated quite civilly, as she should be.

BTW, they currently have a truly insane front page headline about Sarah's wardrobe and alleged shady expense reports in Alaska. Anyone who gets their news there has probably been driven to psychosis. It makes Drudge's siren headlines look like a model of journalistic restraint.

76 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:06am

re: #26 equable

6 million comment man AND a patriot!

77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:08am

re: #32 Son of the Black Dog

If the Bush administration was even half as bad as
people like Naomi Wolf and Keith Olbermann say it is, they and 5000 of
their closest friends would be looking at the world through a chain
link fence at an abandoned Air Force base somewhere in the middle of
the Dakotas.

And if the people of the kook left had half of the power that they accuse the Bush adminstration of abusing, we'd be the ones looking through the chain link fence.

78 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #67 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That sucks!

Ahem. Was that necessary?

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:36am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

Yes. That's when they went from smug and mildly unhinged to extremely unhinged. Now we're pegging the unhinged meter.

Pegging? Hon- I think they've broken it.

80 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #65 Hellfire

Bottom line, the left is exactly the same sniveling little POS that comes out of nowhere and kicks you in the shins in the playground, and then goes and runs to the teacher as you are about to cave their face in. They are the slimiest, two faced, lying mofos on the planet. They love to dish it out and then cry foul. I couldn't believe that commercial I saw of that POS football player sacking Gov palin. Yeah big man, must make you feel good you frigging POS.

If I was McCain, I would make a commercial of that POS giving an interview and then have Gov Palin shoot the son of a bitch and say "ooops, thought you were a moose".

What?

81 kcladderman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:02am

re: #67 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That sucks!

Yes she said Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth.

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:04am

re: #78 Kenneth

LMAO!

83 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:05am

re: #43 Silhouette

I wish they'd do that to me. I'll break one of their legs, then pull-start their head like a lawnmower.

84 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:06am

Well, Lizards, I am heading off to lecture on the Persian Wars. How tiny Greece resisted the mighty Persian Empire, making the world safe for democracy and Western civilization.

I hope next year when I give this lecture again, we still have democracy and Western civilization.

85 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:16am

re: #52 mama winger
Hey {mama} you are right about that - but I wonder (just specuating here y'all, not advocating or anything) how he and they would feel if the "dreaded" right wingers reacted the same way they do, i.e., like uncivlilzed barbarians?

86 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:21am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

The New Republic? I thought they were a left-wing magazine. What the hell's gotten into this guy?

Never fear, he'll be taken out when the Bradley swerves.

87 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:22am

re: #67 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That sucks!

*snicker*

88 maddogg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:27am

Osama:" What is the statute of limitations on mass murder in New York?"

New York: "eight years".

New York is hard Obama country, Obama elected, WOT=RIP.

89 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:29am

re: #47 arethusa

That's what bothers me the most about him. How can a man who won't stand up to these people and all their nonsense stand up for his country?

I'm convinced Obama is a full-blown narcissist. And a little voice of alarm way back in my head tells me this might be a sociopath--and this is why the guy scares me. Hell, his own allies should be afraid of what power will do to a guy with this kind of psychology.

90 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:48am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

The New Republic? I thought they were a left-wing magazine. What the hell's gotten into this guy?

Maybe its the Orson Scott Card effect?

91 Jamie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:03am

re: #27 unreconstructed rebel

But I read on Power Line that Franken is gaining traction.

What is happening to my country? Is it something in the water?

You're talking about a solid Obama state, one that hasn't given its electoral votes to a Republican since Nixon. It would make sense that the incumbent first term Republican Senator would be endangered, especially since liberals who are turned off by Franken have a third party candidate they can vote for instead of voting for Sen. Coleman. I think this one goes down to the wire, but I also think that in a presidential year, a Minnesota Republican is going to have his hands full.

92 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:04am

re: #26 equable

Last night was gorgeous, so I popped open a Newcastle and went outside to look at the sky and feel that beautiful and cool Southern California autumn breeze caress my brow.

I looked up the street and saw a couple of teenage boys walking rather quickly, and when they passed me I saw that they were carrying McCain/Palin lawn signs. Being teenage boys and that it was about 10 P.M. and the fact that they were giggling like idiots led me to believe that the possibility that they were volunteering for the McCain campaign were patently slim.

So when I asked them where they got the signs they tried to take off running. I'm a guitarist in a punk band, so I am no stranger to moving around fast. I caught up to them and blocked their way and gave them a choice: put the lawn placards back where they came from or I could call the police. I followed them around the neighborhood as they put them back, while lecturing them about how hypocritical they were acting and how their actions were an affront to the constitution and the Founder's ideals.

All this without spilling one single drop of the precious elixir that is the Newcastle Brown.

I repeat: Blammo!

93 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:19am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

See my #48 above. Apparently, TNR is the leading Neocon publication. Who knew?

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:20am

re: #78 Kenneth

Ahem. Was that necessary?

Sorry. The compulsion was stronger that I was.

95 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #84 arethusa

Well, Lizards, I am heading off to lecture on the Persian Wars. How tiny Greece resisted the mighty Persian Empire, making the world safe for democracy and Western civilization.

I hope next year when I give this lecture again, we still have democracy and Western civilization.

Molon Labe, baybee.

96 jpkoch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:30am

President Wilson had his enforcers during the First World War (over 800,000 "unpatriotic Americans" were jailed for even the slightest offenses). Obama's Goon Squads will be more than happy to hunt down, harass anyone who does not toe the line.

97 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:52am

re: #26 equable

To quote LGF post #6 million:

BLAMMO!

Well done, sir. +1

98 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:00am

re: #89 JohnAdams

I'm convinced Obama is a full-blown narcissist. And a little voice of alarm way back in my head tells me this might be a sociopath--and this is why the guy scares me. Hell, his own allies should be afraid of what power will do to a guy with this kind of psychology.

Narcissism and sociopathology are just points along the same continuum.

99 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:00am

I have recently read two different histories regarding George Washington. The difference between his attitude regarding his relationship with the populace and that of Obama's is completely.

When did we Americans start falling for those who hunger for adoration? I guess Bill Clinton was just to warm the crowd up for Obama. What I am seeing now is .... embarrassing.

100 maddogg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:27am

re: #96 jpkoch

President Wilson had his enforcers during the First World War (over 800,000 "unpatriotic Americans" were jailed for even the slightest offenses). Obama's Goon Squads will be more than happy to hunt down, harass anyone who does not toe the line.

They best come packing, and with a lunch...

101 jiminycricket  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:31am

If the Obamanation wins this election....and God forbid that....the real winner will not be his holiness but the media. It seems to me the first time in US history that this is the case. A sorry and disturbing state of affairs. A war of resistance should be declared on the MSM. Its reputation must be discredited. It is disempowering the people and has become treasonous and seditious even. The MSM has become an enemy within and must be challenged, accused, jettisoned from the body politic. The people need to be constantly reminded what a propaganda machine it has become, an instrument of mind control.

102 Jamie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:34am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

The New Republic? I thought they were a left-wing magazine. What the hell's gotten into this guy?

They're pretty center-left. Popular with the DLC crowd, and if memory serves, very unpopular with the Kos crowd. I used to read it regularly, and I think my parents subscribe, or at least they did once upon a time.

103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:04am

re: #71 MandyManners

What pisses me off is the inclusion of a Family Guy game in The Kid's PSP.

Get him a South Park game - Parker & Stone get it.

104 freeus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:13am

I do not know if any of you are currently listening to Rush, but he is doing a good job on describing our beloved America if Obama wins and how the MSMLSDS have played a HUGE role in placing him there. I am terrified!

The zombie movies are no longer funny. They are very applicable. And for me the questions that immediately that come to mind are 1) What are we to do about the media? and 2) What are we to do about the millions of zombies?

The internet and to some degree Fox have been a source for information, but what happens with Obama being POTUS? There will be nothing to stop him with that Congress. When I selected my ID name I had this issue very much in the forefront of my mind. We indeed do need to be freed!

On thing for sure, whenever we do get down, if we get down, the element of fear is a very motivating factor. Here is praying there is a lot of fear out there to motivate folks to the polls on November 4th. You may not agree with McCain very often, but by jingo he is not the candidate that generates the level of intimidation Obama does!

105 Jamie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:17am

re: #78 Kenneth

Ahem. Was that necessary?

I thought it was hilarious, myself.

106 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:20am

re: #84 arethusa

Well, Lizards, I am heading off to lecture on the Persian Wars. How tiny Greece resisted the mighty Persian Empire, making the world safe for democracy and Western civilization.
I hope next year when I give this lecture again, we still have democracy and Western civilization.

great post. makes the whole thing in terms of real consequences, and the fact that there is a nasty world out there. the good guys do not always win. Empires can fall and fail.

Sigh.

107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:33am

re: #87 MandyManners

*snicker*

Gee, I'm glad you didn't cry out ... "Give the man a cigar!"

108 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:53am

Rush discussing the 'self-censorship' issue re: kids fearful to say their parents are for McCain for fear of reprisals from other students and teachers.

109 krycek  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:53am

Similar points have been made about the so-called ROP. The majority willfully look the other way while vicious acts are perpetrated.

110 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:54am

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo
Geez,

One thing which I have found when I confront my Lefty friends about Leftwing hatred is that many of them find hatred by the Left towards the Republicans to not really be hatred at all. In their minds, hating Republicans is akin to hating Nazis or Klansmen, and therefore it is not only justifiable, but virtuous.

In other words, equating Bush with Hitler is not hateful, it's simply the obvious truth; Bush is like Hitler...and so making such a comparison cannot by definition be hateful, it's just reality.

did you hit the target square in the bullseye on that one. And I keep wondering, what the hell has Bush or the Republican Party actually done to deserve this? We went into IRAQ under both a Congressional Mandate and a UN mandate to enforce Iraq's total disregard of something like NINETEEN prior UN sanctions.
Oh, you say FISA ? Well Obama just voted for it a few months ago.

111 Opinionated  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:58am

What did Powell say about the tone of the campaign?

Obama Supporters Attack Palin’s Motorcade

112 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:58am

re: #101 jiminycricket

If the Obamanation wins this election....and God forbid that....the real winner will not be his holiness but the media. It seems to me the first time in US history that this is the case. A sorry and disturbing state of affairs. A war of resistance should be declared on the MSM. Its reputation must be discredited. It is disempowering the people and has become treasonous and seditious even. The MSM has become an enemy within and must be challenged, accused, jettisoned from the body politic. The people need to be constantly reminded what a propaganda machine it has become, an instrument of mind control.


The MSM is just a business.

113 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:18am

The second comment there?

Bingoo Oct 22, 2008 9:06:41 AM Report Offensive Post
"Kirchick is an assistant editor at The New Republic." I wish you would have placed this at the top instead of the bottom -- it would have spared me five minutes of trying to figure out what unrecognizable universe the writer lives in. The New Republic is the house organ of the Jewish neocons in the United States, and I quit my subscription of it a decade ago over the ceaseless slant to neocon positions on every issue addressed. I got tired of having to try to separate the honest analysis from the the underlying agenda in every piece I read. I see nothing's changed.


Ooooohh! Jewish neocons!

114 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:35am

From the "You're Kidding, Right?" file:

$54 million missing pants lawsuit back in court

This isn't really OT, as it involves the DC Court of Appeals agreeing to hear this insane drivel - brought by a man who was an administrative judge.

In other words - a case brought by a moonbat, with an appeal to be heard by moonbats.

Arrgggh!

115 Equable  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:44am

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:44am

re: #96 jpkoch

President Wilson had his enforcers during the First World War (over
800,000 "unpatriotic Americans" were jailed for even the slightest
offenses). Obama's Goon Squads will be more than happy to hunt down,
harass anyone who does not toe the line.

And Wilson gets a rest-stop in New Jersey named after him. Maybe there is justice.

117 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:56am

re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Get him a South Park game - Parker & Stone get it.

No! He's just eight. Too young. (I confiscated the Family Guy game as soon as I realized it was included.)

118 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:06am

re: #89 JohnAdams

I'm convinced Obama is a full-blown narcissist. And a little voice of alarm way back in my head tells me this might be a sociopath--and this is why the guy scares me. Hell, his own allies should be afraid of what power will do to a guy with this kind of psychology.

They don't recognize it because they believe his hype. Plus, they all have narcissistic tendencies themselves. They believe they're superior to everyone out there in flyover country and therefore should be telling the rest of us what to do for our own good.

119 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, I'm glad you didn't cry out ... "Give the man a cigar!"

*rimshot*

120 phil flavin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:25am

re: #111 Opinionated

What did Powell say about the tone of the campaign?

Obama Supporters Attack Palin’s Motorcade

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Nothing to see here, move along. HEY! Is that a racist McCain supporter? *Points in other direction*
MSM

121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:37am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I
probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying
Obama/Biden placards.

As long as you don't spill any beer, I'm cool with that.

122 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:37am

Hmmmm... a moby is in the house.

123 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:45am

re: #84 arethusa

Well, Lizards, I am heading off to lecture on the Persian Wars. How tiny Greece resisted the mighty Persian Empire, making the world safe for democracy and Western civilization.

I hope next year when I give this lecture again, we still have democracy and Western civilization.

Can you recommend a book or two?

124 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:47am

re: #35 Sharmuta

True. It started in 1996 with the Contract for America.

Oh my. It has been going on for much longer than that. The media slant against communist aggression in Central America in the late 70s and 80s was over the top. The concealment of the connections between Central American Terrorism and the drug cartels has always been obfuscated by the medias stories of "Right Wing Death Squads" and the famed "Iran-Contra" story. Fortunately, President Reagan had enough guts to ignore the media and do what had to be done.

125 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:57am

re: #96 jpkoch

President Wilson had his enforcers during the First World War (over 800,000 "unpatriotic Americans" were jailed for even the slightest offenses). Obama's Goon Squads will be more than happy to hunt down, harass anyone who does not toe the line.

yes, I was shocked to learn such things while reading Jonah Goldberg's book, Liberal Facism. it was not the Germans, not the Italians, that had the first facism, it WAS THE USA! working together were the democrats, the progressives, the eugenesists, etc.

very scary!

126 Hellfire  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:17am

re: #26 equable

This Metal guitarist salutes you!

127 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:36am

re: #108 newsjunkie_ky

Rush discussing the 'self-censorship' issue re: kids fearful to say their parents are for McCain for fear of reprisals from other students and teachers.

I live in Seattle, and I'm afraid to put a bumpersticker on my car or a sign in my yard. They have silenced me.

128 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #96 jpkoch

President Wilson had his enforcers during the First World War (over 800,000 "unpatriotic Americans" were jailed for even the slightest offenses). Obama's Goon Squads will be more than happy to hunt down, harass anyone who does not toe the line.

Good warning for anyone who thinks it can't happen here. It did.

129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:53am

re: #117 MandyManners

No! He's just eight. Too young. (I confiscated the Family Guy game as soon as I realized it was included.)

The kid's gotta learn about killing hippies sooner or later.

130 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:25am

re: #123 Leonidas Hoplite

Can you recommend a book or two?

Persian Fire by Tom Holland. And the original contemporary account in Herodotus's Histories.

Gotta run - this is my favorite lecture!

131 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:36am

The meme is only the right is hateful. What some call leftist hate is merely corrective response. Sort of like Palestinians need to respond to Israeli aggression. So on the right we have hate filled Hitlerites, on the left Freedom Fighters.

132 Son of the Black Dog[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:43am
133 slartybartfast  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:54am

re: #74 Silhouette

But I do understand the poor poster thinking this is from some "unrecognizable universe." His worldview is probably so distorted, that this universe we inhabit IS unrecognizable to him.

I sometimes believe Leftist thoughts rattle around their heads like a ball in a roulette wheel. This one just happened to land in "Jewish neocon" slot as opposed to the "Zionist" or "Bushitler" or "9-11 Truth" or "Cheney-Haliburton" slot.

134 Equable  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:02am

re: #121 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

As long as you don't spill any beer, I'm cool with that.

You know it. Of course it would've bothered the heck out of me (I can't stand Obama/Biden) but it's a matter of principle, ya know?

135 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

I don't think anyone here would hate you for that, but admire you for it. That's the difference between the right and left.

136 Equable  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:18am

re: #126 Hellfire

This Metal guitarist salutes you!

And I salute you too!

137 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #126 Hellfire

This Metal guitarist salutes you!

Cool! It seems that Heavy Metal attracts the anti-idiotarians in the music world.

138 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

as rightly you should! your head is in the right place m'man, fear not.

139 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:53am

re: #20 mama winger

Could not agree more!
You know though I bet there is just as much polar opposite dissension inside their own media outlet. It's got to be near hell to be trying to represent your conservative articles when the EDITORS make ALL the decisions for what gets approved for print or not. Even at Fox it's evident that there is an inside the studio war occurring.

140 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:13am

re: #22 arethusa

Over at the Campaign Spot they have a good question about the hate mail they get from the left every time they announce some bad poll news for Obama.

Its the behaviour of badly trained children - they fly into a rage every time, when told they can't have what the want.

141 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #124 Outrider

I think the whole left wing slant to the media can be traced to the vendetta they had against Richard Nixon. Said vendetta arising from Nixon's actions (justified IMHO) against communists in the entertainment industry when he was part of the House Un-American Activities Committee in the 1950s.

142 conservativeChick  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:40am

Off topic but how do I file a complaint to YouTube about an inappropriate username. I have been trying to figure that out for the past hour.

143 Lince  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:43am

Moonbat hatred is ok because they are not republicans. Only the "hatred" made by conservatives is not ok.

144 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:54am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

As you should. I have some great friends right across the street who have fallen under the Obama spell. If I saw anyone take their Obama sign, I would tell them to put it right back. I think a lot of good people are being duped right now, but they are still good people. Except of course the ones that aren't.

145 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:58am

I love Newcastle.

146 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:03am

re: #124 Outrider

What I meant by that was 96 was when the reigns of power slipped from them in Congress. It was the birth of a new era, and they sensed it immediately. Gingrich was the Grinch, and the media played it up for all it was worth. The rebirth of the republicans was also the rebirth of the protest freaks.

147 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:21am

re: #98 MandyManners

Technically, no. They are related, both being personality disorders, and they share some of the same symptoms & characteristics but not all. So the difference isn't just a matter of severity but a qualitative difference.

Obama has NPD, not APD.

148 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:23am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

Fly SwaT it Cleaver!

149 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:24am

re: #130 arethusa

Persian Fire by Tom Holland. And the original contemporary account in Herodotus's Histories.

Gotta run - this is my favorite lecture!

And Leonidas, Herodotus is a hoot for many reasons. Great read. He talks about Persian town councils (so to speak) having a tradition where they get drunk before making any decisions. Then, in the morning when they're sober, they see if those decisions still make sense.

(Kind of like our Congress - without the sober part.)

150 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #142 conservativeChick

Off topic but how do I file a complaint to YouTube about an inappropriate username. I have been trying to figure that out for the past hour.

Probably like me trying to complain to my ISP - they told me they only took complaints via snail mail. Oh the irony!

151 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:44am

re: #112 MandyManners

The MSM is just a business.

Mandy, if they were "just a business," their #1 goal would be to make a profit. They are not doing that. They are losing $.

Their #1 goal is to elect The One.

152 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:53am

re: #35 Sharmuta

True. It started in 1996 with the Contract for America.

Apparently you don't remember the MSM coverage of the Vietnam War.

153 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:59am

More evidence of the Tolerant Left:

Man admits plotting to bomb RNC

154 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:11am

re: #111 Opinionated

What did Powell say about the tone of the campaign?

Obama Supporters Attack Palin’s Motorcade

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

They're lucky they didn't get their brains blown to bits.

155 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:17am

re: #131 pat

I suspect that the Left is so delusional that they no longer are even capable of recognizing their lunatic rantings as "hateful" -- oftentimes when they spew hateful slogans, they laugh (as if it were comical)...It's bizarre...

156 jorline  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:22am

re: #20 mama winger

There is a very bad evil out there. It is demonic.

agree...ding

Could say it's demoncratic.

157 jill e  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:28am

Not just when pigs fly...when elephants and blue whales fly!

158 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:36am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

Same thing!

159 conservativeChick  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:41am

re: #150 Creeping Eruption

That sucks. Go to hell YouTube.

160 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:47am

re: #35 Sharmuta

I've been thinking about this quite a lot lately, given the players involved (such as Wright and Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, John Kerry,etc) and the boomer generation with its hands on power. I'm really thinking this is a kind of continuation, unbroken, from the sixties. These bastards went wild in the streets, waged a kind of war on our servicemen,poisoned all discourse and have marched through our institutions with a kind of arrogance and hubris that shows their confidence that they think they are going to finally and utterly win. It sickens me to no end that late in my life I have to even consider that the war never really ended, it continued by other means and the other side never considered a withdrawal or truce or end to that war, they were and are going for total and crushing victory and destruction of all that came before. I really miss the WW2 generation.

161 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:02am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver
"a moby is in the house" Where, WHERE?!?

162 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:05am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

No hate here. Stealing signs, no matter whose campaign they touted, is illegal and you were right to force them to take the signs back. We don't want anyone stealing Obama/Biden signs from the yards of those who support the dems because we're not a group of thugs.

163 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #128 Honorary Yooper

Good warning for anyone who thinks it can't happen here. It did.

is almost rolled out of bed reading Jonah's book in that regard! there was, not crapping you, an American Protection League (APL), that was like a psuedo police/informant force. I was shocked to read that this actually occurred!

all I could think of was the Obamajugend.

164 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:48am

re: #129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The kid's gotta learn about killing hippies sooner or later.

Not on my watch.

165 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:53am

re: #141 CIA Reject

I think the whole left wing slant to the media can be traced to the vendetta they had against Richard Nixon. Said vendetta arising from Nixon's actions (justified IMHO) against communists in the entertainment industry when he was part of the House Un-American Activities Committee in the 1950s.

Could very well be right. That is when I seemed to notice things getting....personal in the media.

Perhaps it was Vietnam that set the whole thing in motion in the late 60s?

166 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:14am

Who are we to point out that the "Bush is Hitler"/"All republicans and white, redneck, uneducated, inbred morons" crowd is hateful?

/

OT:

Durban 2: Anti-Semitic Bugaloo: The Empire Strikes Back (U.N. Watch Responds In Person To Durban II)

167 jorline  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:14am

re: #161 realwest

"a moby is in the house" Where, WHERE?!?

Good afternoon, RW...good to see you.

I'm kind of in and out today...lol

168 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:33am

re: #137 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Cool! It seems that Heavy Metal attracts the anti-idiotarians in the music world.

My best friend was a bass player in metal and punk bands when he was a teenager. He door-belled for Ronald Reagan wearing spiked gloves and a leather coat.

I'm an R&B singer, and almost everyone in my last band is voting for Obama. There is just no reasoning with them. They want "free" health care, and a check, compliments of "the rich".

169 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:45am

re: #151 Florida Lady

Mandy, if they were "just a business," their #1 goal would be to make a profit. They are not doing that. They are losing $.

Their #1 goal is to elect The One.

It is the same with trashy movies. They said it was what the customer wanted, yet every Rated G kid-flick makes millions. It is the media's interests that direct coverage more than the buying public. They, for example, are the ones that consider the Kennedys the "closest thing to American royalty."

170 WitchDoctor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:46am

re: #127 capitalist piglet

I live out on the Penninsula, and no way am I putting my McCain sticker on my (only a few years old) car.

171 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:03:05am

re: #147 Kenneth

Technically, no. They are related, both being personality disorders, and they share some of the same symptoms & characteristics but not all. So the difference isn't just a matter of severity but a qualitative difference.

Obama has NPD, not APD.

That's what I was trying to say about shared traits.

172 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:03:11am

re: #163 Vergeltung

is
almost rolled out of bed reading Jonah's book in that regard! there
was, not crapping you, an American Protection League (APL), that was
like a psuedo police/informant force. I was shocked to read that this actually occurred!

all I could think of was the Obamajugend.

Don't you mear Obamajug-eared-end? Or are we still not allowed to mention Obama's ears?

173 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:03:31am

re: #151 Florida Lady

Mandy, if they were "just a business," their #1 goal would be to make a profit. They are not doing that. They are losing $.

Their #1 goal is to elect The One.

They've morphed.

174 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:03:33am

re: #146 Sharmuta

What I meant by that was 96 was when the reigns of power slipped from them in Congress. It was the birth of a new era, and they sensed it immediately. Gingrich was the Grinch, and the media played it up for all it was worth. The rebirth of the republicans was also the rebirth of the protest freaks.

Lord knows they tore Newt a new one. Your last statement has a lot of validity.

175 Opinionated  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:01am

On the subject of Leftist hate.

ST. PAUL - Vandals defaced the garage at Sen. Norm Coleman's home, his campaign and police said Wednesday.

Coleman and his wife, Laurie, live in the Crocus Hill neighborhood of St. Paul. Graffiti left on the outside of their garage reads: "U R A criminal resign or else"; "Scum," which is written three times; and "Psalm 2."

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

176 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:35am

It's also worth pointing out that the unhinged Left themselves are frustrated that they can't get the MSM (the "corporate media" as they call it) to come out and cover their tantrums. In Los Angeles, many of the major demonstrations march directly to the door step of either the CNN building or the Los Angeles Times where they chant and scream, but still cannot seem to get a reporter to come out and cover the protest in anything more than the most superficial way.

The Left see this as proof of a rightwing media bias, when the reality is that the media does not cover them precisely because they know how crazy the protesters look to normal Americans...Try explaining this to a moonbat and they will look at you with an expression of complete bewilderment.

177 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:41am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I still think Newt states conservative principles the most clearly and with the appropriate urgency. But could you imagine the Unhinged Rage the little leftists would be in if Newt was running and not McCain?

178 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:41am

re: #171 MandyManners

Ok. I don't like to quibble but... ok, I do like to quibble.

179 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:43am

re: #161 realwest

"a moby is in the house" Where, WHERE?!?

Never mind. I didn't read the original post.

180 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:22am

re: #170 WitchDoctor

I live out on the Penninsula, and no way am I putting my McCain sticker on my (only a few years old) car.

Kind of frustrating, isn't it? You just can't, around here.

181 lurking faith  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:31am

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Seth McFarlane, a hipster moonbat who nearly lost his life on 9/11 - he changed flights from what proved to be one of the hijacked jets - but he thinks that Bush is the enemy.

[self-deleted]

After the Nazi episode, a couple of my dumb-humor loving relatives told me they'll never watch that [deleted] show again. And they're the kind who buy dvds and show-related products.

182 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:44am

Left-wing socialist don't consider themselves bad or hate-filled.
either did Hitler's minions.

183 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:05am

re: #163 Vergeltung

is almost rolled out of bed reading Jonah's book in that regard! there was, not crapping you, an American Protection League (APL), that was like a psuedo police/informant force. I was shocked to read that this actually occurred!

all I could think of was the Obamajugend.

This period of history is pretty well buried too. It's tough to find any modern commentary on it, and it is not taught in school at all. I do wish history classes would go past 1900.

184 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:14am

The hate franchise of the left has won it power.

It won't go away. Not until the pendulum swings back.

We can only hope that the hate accelerates the back swing of the pendulum.

For now, smug Kossies who scream "you are a hate monger and deserve to DIE!" at anyone who offers the faintest of criticism will be standard. And just think - they may just get unfettered access to federal power and treasury to conduct their witch hunts and purges, all aided by a sycophantic media.

The counter thrust for the conservatives will have to be libertarian rather than social warfare if it is to be effective.

185 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:34am

Can't you people get it straight?

Leftist hatred is "progressive",
Conservative patriotism is "racist".

186 rightwinger3  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #168 capitalist piglet

My best friend was a bass player in metal and punk bands when he was a teenager. He door-belled for Ronald Reagan wearing spiked gloves and a leather coat.

I'm an R&B singer, and almost everyone in my last band is voting for Obama. There is just no reasoning with them. They want "free" health care, and a check, compliments of "the rich".

The "free" is right. I was just in Germany not too long ago and some of the single guys I worked with were in the 52% tax bracket. 52%. Have to work until Wednesday afternoon just to pay taxes on Mon - Fri.

187 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:48am

re: #90 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Maybe its the Orson Scott Card effect?

I don't think the comparrison is apt. OSC was never a moonbat; in fact, he is probably a bigger supporter of W than anyone at LGF.

188 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:07:12am

re: #182 FrogMarch

So true. They were just trying to show Sarah Palin their love.

189 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:07:14am

re: #152 Son of the Black Dog Indeed, especially after the Tet Offensive (which even North Vietnamese General Giap called an unmitigated disaster for the communists) which was reported by none other than good ole Walter Cronkite himself, as an enormous defeat for the US and South Vietanamese.
Not to mention the DEMCRATIC CONGRESS' failure to Fund the President's aid Pledge to the South Vietnamese.
MOFO'S, ALL OF 'EM.

190 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:07:29am

re: #175 Opinionated

On the subject of Leftist hate.

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

That's both frightening and disgusting at the same time. I wonder what the "or else" refers to? These people (I say that lightly) need to be caught, prosecuted, and punished. This isn't free speech, it's a threat.

191 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:01am

re: #155 J.S.

I suspect that the Left is so delusional that they no longer are even capable of recognizing their lunatic rantings as "hateful" -- oftentimes when they spew hateful slogans, they laugh (as if it were comical)...It's bizarre...

I maintain that they know what they spew is hateful and laugh when they say it to deflect criticism/guilt.

"You know.....I was just joking....."

"You're an asshole.....ha, ha....just kidding.....asshole"

192 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:10am

re: #174 Outrider

Lord knows they tore Newt a new one. Your last statement has a lot of validity.

Oh, they completely defined Newt Gingrich. They absolutely painted horns and a tail on the man, and destroyed his chances of ever credibly running for president. They identify their enemies, and they ruin them...very Alinsky-esque.

193 lurking faith  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:15am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

Hey, theft is theft, and vandalism is vandalism. It's wrong no matter which candidate the brats support.

194 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:23am

re: #77 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And if the people of the kook left had half of the power that they accuse the Bush adminstration of abusing, we'd be the ones looking through the chain link fence.

Sadly, you may be correct. A lot of us may be looking out through the fence if a BHO administration gets its way. Which it just might, given that there will be no restraints on it by either congress or the media. I seriously predict political show trials (i.e., Scooter Libby redux).

195 ratso  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:47am

Hey RW, hear about the pizza place offering a free pizza for a mccain/palin sign. this is a place in michigan. more dirty tricks huh?re: #69 realwest

Good on you! But really - teenagers in Southern California - maybe near L.A.? Y'all be careful you don't go blocking what turns out to be a bunch of gang-bangers now, heah?
I mean they are better armed than the police!

196 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:03am

re: #160 JHW

They were never really defeated, never made to surrender. You could say it was the American leftist's Hudna.

197 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:06am

re: #165 Outrider

Nixon was used by the media. Agree, this is when it was Evident.
Nixon did the same thing that every president before him did, he employed information spys for undercover retrieval and removal of harmful information.
Where he screwed up was he Denied doing it!
If Nixon were present in todays political environment, he'd be "ignored". It would all have just been a HICCUP.
Now, if that doesn't give you a glean into how much we've changed and declined in our acceptance of wrongdoing!

198 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:08am

re: #186 rightwinger3

The "free" is right. I was just in Germany not too long ago and some of the single guys I worked with were in the 52% tax bracket. 52%. Have to work until Wednesday afternoon just to pay taxes on Mon - Fri.

In other words, slavery.

199 BakaRanger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:13am

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:31am

re: #189 realwest

Indeed, especially after the Tet Offensive (which even North Vietnamese General Giap called an unmitigated disaster for the communists) which was reported by none other than good ole Walter Cronkite himself, as an enormous defeat for the US and South Vietanamese.
Not to mention the DEMCRATIC CONGRESS' failure to Fund the President's aid Pledge to the South Vietnamese.
MOFO'S, ALL OF 'EM.

Let us bite our ****ing tongues regarding Uncle Walter!

Hi there, realwest!

201 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:31am

re: #160 JHW
Uh well please think a little bit more - a LOT of the "moonbat" generation served with honor and distinction in Vietnam - not all Baby Boomers drank the Kool-Aid then or since.

202 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:33am

re: #165 Outrider

Could very well be right. That is when I seemed to notice things getting....personal in the media.

Perhaps it was Vietnam that set the whole thing in motion in the late 60s?

Yes, I think that is correct as well. The way I see it things started with Nixon and HUAC and accelerated during Vietnam. There's also some evidence that the KGB supported the anti-war movement in the US and they would have found willing accomplices in the US media who were pissed off at Nixon over HUAC.

I'm rather convinced that those two factors (HUAC fallout and KGB "active measures") are responsible for the current sad state of both "higher education" and the MSM in the US.

203 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:05am

re: #183 Honorary Yooper

This period of history is pretty well buried too. It's tough to find any modern commentary on it, and it is not taught in school at all. I do wish history classes would go past 1900.

well, I know it is buried. I was a history major in college, though my concentration was not on US history. Did take an AP American history class in high school (lasted all year), and this was not covered.

I can see why the usual suspects would not want us to know it was the democrats and progressives that brought us our first taste of totalitarianism here in the USA.

204 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

Ya think that's why they are now backing him?

205 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #110 realwest

Geez,


did you hit the target square in the bullseye on that one. And I keep wondering, what the hell has Bush or the Republican Party actually done to deserve this? We went into IRAQ under both a Congressional Mandate and a UN mandate to enforce Iraq's total disregard of something like NINETEEN prior UN sanctions.
Oh, you say FISA ? Well Obama just voted for it a few months ago.

The hater's hate is genuine, but the people stoking it do it cynically to get power. What will they do with the power? We'll find out in January, God forbid, but I'd bet it ain't too far from what Prof. Ayers would do.
Tear down capitalism and American sovereignty.

206 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:34am

This just in: European court rules extreme measures not torture, & are sometime justified

In the midst of all the noise about alleged “torture” by the Bush administration, however, the American media were strangely silent about an obviously relevant and in Europe widely discussed judgment by the European Court of Human Rights. The judgment concerned the notorious case of Magnus Gäfgen, a young German man who was arrested in October 2002 on suspicions of having kidnapped an 11-year-old boy. Two German police officials have admitted to threatening Gäfgen with violence if he did not divulge the boy’s location. Gäfgen was told that a “special officer” was on his way that would “make him feel pain like he had never felt before,” as Gäfgen himself recalled the conversation. Faced with the prospect, Gäfgen talked. The police found the boy: dead.

In its June 30 judgment in the case of Gäfgen v. Germany, the European Court of Human Rights found that the actions of the two German police officials did not constitute torture. ... The finding is especially relevant, since the threatening of physical harm happens to have been one of the “Category III” techniques that Donald Rumsfeld refused to permit army interrogators to employ in questioning al-Qaeda-linked detainees. If this technique is not considered to be torture, then obviously all “less harsh” techniques ought not to be so considered either. The Court did find that the actions of the German officials toward Gäfgen constituted “inhuman treatment”: a lesser category of offense in international law. But the Court ruled that in light of “mitigating factors” — e.g., the officials’ desire to save the child’s life — a German court had acted properly in merely issuing the two men a “warning” [Verwarnung]. The German court refused to apply punishment and neither man today has a criminal record.

207 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:43am

re: #167 jorline
Hello my friend - yeah, me too - not feeling really well but still have chores that must be done!

208 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:45am

re: #161 realwest

"a moby is in the house" Where, WHERE?!?

Sounds like you are feeling better that last nite. I hope so.

IIRC you mentioned you had two firewalls active.

It is good to only have one active at any one time (too many cooks spoil the soup).

Just something to keep in mind.

209 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:54am

re: #176 Ringo the Gringo

It's also worth pointing out that the unhinged Left themselves are
frustrated that they can't get the MSM (the "corporate media" as they
call it) to come out and cover their tantrums. In Los Angeles, many of
the major demonstrations march directly to the door step of either the CNN building or the Los Angeles Times where
they chant and scream, but still cannot seem to get a reporter to come
out and cover the protest in anything more than the most superficial
way.

The Left see this as proof of a rightwing media bias, when the reality is that the media does not cover them precisely because
they know how crazy the protesters look to normal Americans...Try
explaining this to a moonbat and they will look at you with an
expression of complete bewilderment.

MSM outlets are owned by corporations. Corporations are Republican. Therefore, the MSM is Republican.
/moonbat logic off

210 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:55am

re: #188 Kenneth

So true. They were just trying to show Sarah Palin their love.

If rabid left-wing socialist progressive communists could - they would put us in ovens. or line us up against a wall and shoot us.
For their idea of the common good.

211 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:07am

re: #178 Kenneth

You'd have to have a data set, then do a factor analysis...(note that we don't have a data set with respect to Obama -- hence, it's all conjecture...and many times, without a statistical analysis, you're into sheer guessing. And, narcissism is a subset of psychopathy...) Anyway, imo, it's not proper to be making any "diagnosis" based on zilch...or at least without saying it's a speculation, or it's what one suspects, etc.

212 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:11am

re: #115 Equable

Wow thanks for your kind comments, everyone! Don't hate me but I probably would have done the same thing if they were carrying Obama/Biden placards.

Anybody who propery esteems Newcastle Brown Ale can't do wrong, in my books!

Cheers!

213 maddogg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

I think that if you were to really compare them, Obama and Hillary are not very different.

214 rightwinger3  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:21am

re: #198 capitalist piglet

In other words, slavery.

Highway Robbery.

215 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:52am

re: #178 Kenneth

Ok. I don't like to quibble but... ok, I do like to quibble.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo. Really?

216 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:26am

re: #176 Ringo the Gringo

They truly do not know that they actually harm their side with their boorish and childish demonstrations. I had to laugh at that dipshit Code Pinko who donned a business suit and tried to "arrest" Karl Rove. For treason? How can you condemn a man for betraying a country that you hate? A fucking idiot is almost always a dead giveaway, except of course to other fucking idiots.

217 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:32am

re: #146 Sharmuta

What I meant by that was 96 was when the reigns of power slipped from them in Congress.

Uh, I thought the Contract with America was in the '94 campaign?

218 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:57am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

I've had that thought myself. Obama makes Bill Clinton look like a boy scout.

219 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:18am

re: #149 subsailor68

And Leonidas, Herodotus is a hoot for many reasons. Great read. He talks about Persian town councils (so to speak) having a tradition where they get drunk before making any decisions. Then, in the morning when they're sober, they see if those decisions still make sense.

(Kind of like our Congress - without the sober part.)

Thanks for the recommendation!

220 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:18am

re: #216 JohnAdams

They truly do not know that they actually harm their side with their boorish and childish demonstrations. I had to laugh at that dipshit Code Pinko who donned a business suit and tried to "arrest" Karl Rove. For treason? How can you condemn a man for betraying a country that you hate? A fucking idiot is almost always a dead giveaway, except of course to other fucking idiots.

Fucking idiots is the quickest way towards the end of our country. Good thing they abort so often.

221 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:22am

re: #173 MandyManners

They've morphed.


lol! True dat!

222 tfc3rid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:23am

re: #113 Ward Cleaver

The second comment there?


Ooooohh! Jewish neocons!

That's funny because I thought NeoCon was a code word for Jew, you know just like Socialst is code word for black...

223 yma o hyd  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:24am

re: #130 arethusa

Persian Fire by Tom Holland. And the original contemporary account in Herodotus's Histories.

Gotta run - this is my favorite lecture!

And thats a most excellent book!
Good read, too.

224 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:32am

The leftists' hatred has its roots in basic immaturity and stunted emotional growth. They are the perpetual "angry youth" who normally outgrow their rebellion by the age of 18 or so.

And to equable; do you need a bass player?

225 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:39am

re: #181 lurking faith

[self-deleted]

After the Nazi episode, a couple of my dumb-humor loving relatives told me they'll never watch that [deleted] show again. And they're the kind who buy dvds and show-related products.

We used to love Family Guy, and we own the older seasons on DVD. No more. My theory is that Seth MacFarlane, who is an egotistical jerk, has become so powerful that no one will say no to him. No one at Fox, let alone his own production company, has the guts to tell him something is inappropriate, unfunny and will lose the audience. Maybe he'll notice when the ratings drop, but I doubt it.

226 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:39am

re: #201 realwest

Yes, I know Realwest, my comment wasn't intended to knock a generation (I'm one of them), but rather to pinpoint where all this crap got started and by who. I certainly have zero disagreement with your comment.

227 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:52am

re: #217 victor_yugo

Uh, I thought the Contract with America was in the '94 campaign?

Ooops- you're right.

228 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:14:07am

re: #189 realwest

Indeed, especially after the Tet Offensive (which even North Vietnamese General Giap called an unmitigated disaster for the communists) which was reported by none other than good ole Walter Cronkite himself, as an enormous defeat for the US and South Vietanamese.
Not to mention the DEMCRATIC CONGRESS' failure to Fund the President's aid Pledge to the South Vietnamese.
MOFO'S, ALL OF 'EM.

Excellent point, RW.

When one considers that the beginning of "Tet" itself was not on a coordinated calendar between the north and south, and that the "offensive" therefore had a disastrous, unsynchronized beginning without an element of surprise, one can see the bungling enemy that we were up against. And yet, the media decided the "moral" outcome and reported/made up facts to build the narrative. Just like this election. And in return, the media will be spared from its natural death by new regulations (fairness doctrine) aimed at protecting it from competition.

Can't wait for what regulation Charles will come under that Kos will escape - no doubt it will be fashioned on a "hate speech" model - criticism of anything from the left will fall into racism and hate of one sort or another, and the Stalinism of Kos will be dubbed "inclusiveness".

229 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:14:18am
230 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:14:33am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

I don't think the Clintons hated the country.....

231 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:08am

re: #201 realwest

It wasn't the ones who were SERVING and doing their part to preserve this country's integrity! IT was the ones left in Berkeley that have spread this cancer all through our educational systems and the media! They are Educators and Journalists!

232 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:13am

re: #221 Florida Lady

lol! True dat!

Our Founders would not recognize the MSM. They'd probably love the Internet, though--especially the blogosphere.

233 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:18am

Has anyone posted this? In 1999, Slow Joe Biden's brother killed a single father of 2 while driving drunk. Now he refuses to pay the lawsuit judgement.

Any see that in MSM? No. I guess it's not a story, even though the brother has campaigned with Joe.

234 ratso  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:26am

control of our schools was planned in the communist manifesto, looks like they did it doesn't it?re: #202 CIA Reject

235 Knitwit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #27 unreconstructed rebel
Maybe more biased polling?

We can only hope!

236 jcm  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:38am

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let us bite our ****ing tongues regarding Uncle Walter!

Hi there, realwest!

No breaks for the MoFo's and REMFs who fucked us out of a win in 'Nam. Not only did they fuck us our of what our troops with muddy boots won, the fucked the Vietnamese, the Cambodians and others in SEA. They have blood on their hands.

237 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:42am

re: #224 BackwardsBoy

The leftists' hatred has its roots in basic immaturity and stunted emotional growth.


That and the only place they can find to live is in Mom's basemet.

238 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:56am

re: #195 ratso Hey Ratso.
Yeah, I reported on that Michigan Pizza Place on the DT - got it off Fox and Friends which, to my shock and amazement, actually connected the dots - hmmm steal a McCain Palin yard sign, get a free Pizza.
I'm only comforted by the fact that IF Obama wins the Presidency that Pizza store owner will go out of business.

239 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #230 Vergeltung

I don't think the Clintons hated the country.....

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

240 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:57am

re: #163 Vergeltung

is almost rolled out of bed reading Jonah's book in that regard! there was, not crapping you, an American Protection League (APL), that was like a psuedo police/informant force. I was shocked to read that this actually occurred!

all I could think of was the Obamajugend.

Jonah's book should be required reading for all Lizards! Or rather, suggested...wouldn't want to impose anything on anything by dictat!

241 Hellfire  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:24am

re: #137 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Cool! It seems that Heavy Metal attracts the anti-idiotarians in the music world.

Yeah, I like to think of the headbangers as rough riders. I do come across a lot of right wingers in metal. I think it's because we are 180 degrees away from the artsy fartsy elitist types. We have nothing in common with them.

242 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:33am

re: #211 J.S.

I'm not declaring an official diagnosis nor infringing Obama's rights in any way. In my opinion the evidence from his behavior, speeches, books and biography is adding up to a very convincing picture. I am certainly not the only person to think Obama has NPD. Rather than ignore this issue lest we appear judgmental, the voters owe it to the safety of the republic to look deeply into the character of the person they are about to elect to the most powerful office in the world. To give that power to a man with NPD could be an unparalleled disaster for the country & the world.

243 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:51am

re: #34 thedopefishlives

People used to think I was crazy when I talked about moonbatism being a mental disorder. When you think about the root of the problem, though, it really IS a mental disorder: A fundamental disconnect from reality. Somewhere along the line, the moonbat builds a fantasy world - almost like a straw man for them to argue against. I'm not quite sure what medical term would be applied to this form of delusion, but it's quite clear to me that it is a real, and serious, problem that too many Americans have.

/Can I PLEASE start shooting them with the moonbat tranquilizer gun now?
//Only the above line is a joke, I just couldn't resist

A large part of their makeup is Projection. Everything they accuse the right of is a mirror-like reflection of precisely the views they hold. It's impossible to argue with someone like that.....

244 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:53am

re: #200 pre-Boomer Marine brat Hey there pre-Boomer - Well I ain't gonna bite my tongue anymore. Out of respect for Charles and all he has done out here, I will NEVER express my completely honest and open feelings about Ole Walter, MUCH LESS the "New Left".
*spit*

245 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:57am

re: #215 MandyManners

"smack!"

246 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:02am

re: #198 capitalist piglet

In other words, slavery.

When anything that has to be produced is called a "right" it means that others will be forced to work to provide it for those that don't have it.

We have a right to vote and a right to free speech. (etc)

But I don't have a right to force an electrician to come wire my new ceiling fan for free, so why should a doctor be forced to give me his services, or a landowner be forced to give me land, a builder forced to build me a house, and a farmer forced to raise food for me, all without pay? All these things happen indirectly when we consider housing, food, and medical care a "right." Except it is everybody. A florist is forced to work a day or two a week just to provide those things for others who won't provide it for themselves.

As compassionate and admittedly a very wealthy nation, we choose to provide food and shelter to some, but it has gotten way out of hand where 50% of the country is footing 98% of the cost. Unless anyone actually believes that every other American they see is the unfortunate soul who simply Can Not. make it on their own without help.

247 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:07am

re: #236 jcm

*bite*
*bite*
*bite*
*keeping an eye out for Stinky*
*bite*
*bite*
*bite*

Hi there!
I'm heading over to the new thread ---->

248 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #239 MandyManners

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

Rotating title!

249 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:50am

re: #229 MandyManners

*sniff*

Cool, just the pick-me up I needed

250 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:52am

re: #170 WitchDoctor

I live out on the Penninsula, and no way am I putting my McCain sticker on my (only a few years old) car.

Yes, my car would also get keyed, or worse, in my train station parking lot

251 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:53am
re: #230 Vergeltung

I don't think the Clintons hated the country.....

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

And in hindsight, the Clintons just loved themselves. They didn't hate much, just had huge egos. So when you look at the legislation that a Obama-Pelosi regeme will pass, the Clinton's suddenly don't look as bad.

252 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #127 capitalist piglet

I live in Seattle, and I'm afraid to put a bumpersticker on my car or a sign in my yard. They have silenced me.

Me too. University town and don't want my car vandalized or a rock thrown through my front window.

253 capitalist piglet  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:10am

re: #202 CIA Reject

Yes, I think that is correct as well. The way I see it things started with Nixon and HUAC and accelerated during Vietnam. There's also some evidence that the KGB supported the anti-war movement in the US and they would have found willing accomplices in the US media who were pissed off at Nixon over HUAC.

I'm rather convinced that those two factors (HUAC fallout and KGB "active measures") are responsible for the current sad state of both "higher education" and the MSM in the US.

I don't know that this is necessarily relevant to your observations, but I'm going to toss out there that I was a young child in the sixties, and my father was very conservative. I remember going to school in the first grade, and thinking, "Wow...my teacher is very different from my daddy."

Even then, I had a sense that my teacher was a liberal, and quite anti-conservative - and looking back, she definitely was. I remember my fourth grade teacher trying to influence us politically, too. Reading "Radical Son" years ago, it occurred to me that the left was systematically getting involved in education, and it really connected some dots for me.

254 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:19am

re: #236 jcm

No breaks for the MoFo's and REMFs who fucked us out of a win in 'Nam. Not only did they fuck us our of what our troops with muddy boots won, the fucked the Vietnamese, the Cambodians and others in SEA. They have blood on their hands.

As you can guess from my nic, I'm totally with you on this.
But, I've always tried to think of Vietnam as a battle, not a war. We may have "lost" that battle, but when the Berlin Wall came down, and that abomination known as the USSR disappeared....we won the war.

(I know it's not quite true, but it does help keep me sane.)

255 leereyno  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:46am

The main point of this article seems to be that the media's complaints about extremism from the right completely ignores extremism from the left. This is a fair point, and I believe it is also safe to say that extremism from the left, while not MORE extreme, is far more widespread. For every right wing nutjob, there are at least 7 to 10 left wing crazies.

But all of this raises an even larger question for me. How and why did political disagreements turn into a religious war?

Saying that the extremists on the right are no worse than those on the left doesn't really address the problem of extremism to begin with.

Now I know that there will always be extremists. The point is that extremism is now the dominant theme from both sides, and that is not a good thing.

There are evil leftists in the world (Noam Chomsky comes to mind), but most leftists are simply wrong, mislead, and not in possession of the facts required to arrive at better conclusions. You cannot reach or persuade someone you are demonizing.

For all of the vitriol that I see coming from both sides, the thing that I never see is a reasoned exposition of the position that either side actually holds. The philosophies that underlie conservatism are not being promoted. Everyone is too busy telling the lefties why they are wrong. This needs to be done of course, but to do this exclusively is a mistake because it does nothing to promote conservatism to anyone who isn't already a conservative.

Instead of more "this is why you are wrong" directed at the left we need some "this is what we believe and why we believe it" directed at everyone who isn't a dyed in the wool leftist. This is how future conservatives are made. To neglect this is to forfeit the nation and the future of the world to the left, a terrifying prospect.

256 tfc3rid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:24am

re: #210 FrogMarch

If rabid left-wing socialist progressive communists could - they would put us in ovens. or line us up against a wall and shoot us.
For their idea of the common good.

Well, we are going to be the ones that have to 'subvert' the Obama Administration...

257 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #244 realwest

Hey there pre-Boomer - Well I ain't gonna bite my tongue anymore. Out of respect for Charles and all he has done out here, I will NEVER express my completely honest and open feelings about Ole Walter, MUCH LESS the "New Left".
*spit*

The last time I liked what I saw of Uncle Walter was that photo of him grinning ear-to-ear at the wheel of USS Constitution when she was out under sail in the 90's. I was willing to grant him that.

I'm heading over yonder now ---->

258 redinla  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:08am

Gah, you want hate and left-wing bias go on over to Defamer and read the anti-right shit they've been peddling lately. Want to read twenty posts about Tina Fey as Sarah Palin? Yeah, they got that. Used to be a funny site and yeah, I need to follow my own advice and boycott them. The big post of the day is something along the lines of why the left is funnier than the right. The reason: Republicans and conservatives are lower forms of life than child molesters and terrorists. They want funny? Just watch as their lives spiral down to the gutter if the One is elected.

259 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:14am

re: #205 nikis-knight
With respect, if Billy Boy Ayers and his ilk wind up in power after Nov 4th then they will become the kinds of targets for attack that they've made Bush and McCain (and not I'm not talking about personal physical attacks, though.....ah, nevermind, it ain't ever gonna happen that me and Billy Boy wind up in the same dark (or well lit) alley anyway).

260 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:14am

re: #211 J.S.

Anyway, imo, it's not proper to be making any "diagnosis" based on zilch...or at least without saying it's a speculation, or it's what one suspects, etc.

Obama has lied through his teeth about Ayers, Acorn, Wright, etc... I don't owe him the benefit of the doubt. If he likes, he can release his medical records along with a recent independent psych profile.

261 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:32am

re: #241 Hellfire

Yeah, I like to think of the headbangers as rough riders. I do come across a lot of right wingers in metal. I think it's because we are 180 degrees away from the artsy fartsy elitist types. We have nothing in common with them.

Hey...I resemble that.

/Metal Forever.

262 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:09am

re: #157 jill e

Not just when pigs fly...when elephants and blue whales fly!

I heard a fellow lizard, I'm sorry I can't remember who, say a good one along this line the other night, "when monkeys fly out my butt". Seems appropriate.

263 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:17am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

I never thought I would say that byt yes it is true, Hillary is looking pallitable now. The main reason is that the media has never signed on en masse before for a candidate like they have with BHO. There is vewry little he can do that would draw criticism.

If elected (and I still am one of the ones who think not), BHO has set up a construct where even media members who wander off the reservation to foist upon him critique will be backslapped as rascist. He is innoculated all throughout his presidency.

They have created Frankenstein and when Frankenstein raids their villages no one will be able to find a match to stop him.

264 midwestgak  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:17am

re: #51 Ojoe

Yes, this election is the physical manifestation of a spiritual battle.

Indeed!

265 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:41am

re: #231 notutopia

It wasn't the ones who were SERVING and doing their part to preserve this country's integrity! IT was the ones left in Berkeley that have spread this cancer all through our educational systems and the media! They are Educators and Journalists!

Absolutely. And look to the little Hitler-youth crowd of under-30s in this country. These are their spawn. Our Universities take in billions every year from hardworking people trying to give their kids an education--not knowing that the faculties are filled with Marxists poisoning the kids and taking their parents money for basically doing nothing. Parasites. That Obama went to Harvard is, in my mind, to his great detriment.

266 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

One thing which I have found when I confront my Lefty friends about Leftwing hatred is that many of them find hatred by the Left towards the Republicans to not really be hatred at all. In their minds, hating Republicans is akin to hating Nazis or Klansmen, and therefore it is not only justifiable, but virtuous.

In other words, equating Bush with Hitler is not hateful, it's simply the obvious truth; Bush is like Hitler...and so making such a comparison cannot by definition be hateful, it's just reality.


I agree. What frustrates me is how do you deal with people like that. They're like unruly screaming children having a tantrum. I know how to deal with that.....but what the hell do we do with adults who are cognitivally arrested at age 5?

Drives me nuts....

267 Vergeltung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #239 MandyManners

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

well, so do I, but, that does not mean I can't love my country. :P

268 Shug  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:18am

Listening to Rush Limbaugh is like eating leftover LGF turkey the day after Thanksgivving

and he's a week ahead of everybody else

269 jcm  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #254 subsailor68

As you can guess from my nic, I'm totally with you on this.
But, I've always tried to think of Vietnam as a battle, not a war. We may have "lost" that battle, but when the Berlin Wall came down, and that abomination known as the USSR disappeared....we won the war.

(I know it's not quite true, but it does help keep me sane.)

'Nam was a battle in that larger war. And the actions of the left during 'Nam extended the duration of WWIII (The Cold War).

270 kcladderman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:06am

re: #267 Vergeltung

well, so do I, but, that does not mean I can't love my country. :P

You love Bills Penis?
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271 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #269 jcm

'Nam was a battle in that larger war. And the actions of the left during 'Nam extended the duration of WWIII (The Cold War).

I agree completely!

272 Born_to_lose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:34am

I have to deal with this non-sense every friggin' day. And, as I posted on another thread a day or two ago, this is one of the reasons why I am running for the hills from my current place of employment. The people here are not only ignorant and completely misinformed, but they are just disdainful and rude and make snide commets (of course always making sure I am within earshot of the conversation - somehow, the cat got out of the bag about my conservative political stance). In fact, just the other day, I was at the central fax machine changing paper when the office manger was spouting off about how she couldn't believe that someone who was looped in with the 'working class', someone who makes 'x' amount of dollars (mind you, she said EXACTALLY the figure I make as her reference point here), could actually get behind McCain and his health care plan. I wanted to turn around and smack the living shit out of her, not because of her blatant inability to comprehend that as a working class citizen, I DO NOT WANT THE GOV TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT HEALTHCARE I CHOOSE/RAISE MY TAXES, but because she basically exposed, TO THE DOLLAR, my annual salary! And, there is no one here that I can complain to since they are all on the same page and are just going to dismiss this as something I am imagining. I feel a bit trapped, and I am just looking forward to getting this election OVER with, already!

273 Dianna  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #183 Honorary Yooper

This period of history is pretty well buried too. It's tough to find any modern commentary on it, and it is not taught in school at all. I do wish history classes would go past 1900.

People have always wondered why I dislike Woodrow Wilson.

274 subsailor68  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:21am

Well, time to check the Ayers' new book thread....after I take my blood pressure pill.

275 lurking faith  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:15am

re: #187 nikis-knight

I don't think the comparrison is apt. OSC was never a moonbat; in fact, he is probably a bigger supporter of W than anyone at LGF.

Oh, I don't know. He disagreed pretty strongly with the Iraq invasion, although primarily on tactical grounds. His main points in support of Bush are: 1. Bush didn't lie; 2. Bush has the courage to do what he thinks is right in the face of extreme opposition; and 3. Since we did invade Iraq, our only acceptable exit plan is to win.

I've never been a big fan of GWB, but I'm on board with all three of those points.

276 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:29am

re: #253 capitalist piglet

I think your observations were spot-on. I witnessed much of the same myself.

277 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:29:10am

re: #272 Born_to_lose

I have to deal with this non-sense every friggin' day. And, as I posted on another thread a day or two ago, this is one of the reasons why I am running for the hills from my current place of employment. The people here are not only ignorant and completely misinformed, but they are just disdainful and rude and make snide commets (of course always making sure I am within earshot of the conversation - somehow, the cat got out of the bag about my conservative political stance). In fact, just the other day, I was at the central fax machine changing paper when the office manger was spouting off about how she couldn't believe that someone who was looped in with the 'working class', someone who makes 'x' amount of dollars (mind you, she said EXACTALLY the figure I make as her reference point here), could actually get behind McCain and his health care plan. I wanted to turn around and smack the living shit out of her, not because of her blatant inability to comprehend that as a working class citizen, I DO NOT WANT THE GOV TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT HEALTHCARE I CHOOSE/RAISE MY TAXES, but because she basically exposed, TO THE DOLLAR, my annual salary! And, there is no one here that I can complain to since they are all on the same page and are just going to dismiss this as something I am imagining. I feel a bit trapped, and I am just looking forward to getting this election OVER with, already!


I understand your frustration. That action would be a firing offense at my company. Unfortunately the rules only apply to conservatives. The rules for liberals are 'whatever the frick they say they are'. The screaming children are in charge.....sheesh.

278 Born_to_lose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:01am

Oh, I meant to tell you guys... So, yeah, I live in Maryland, liberal scum hotbed if there ever was one... Anyway, I am driving past one of the Transportation Union buildings that faces a MAJOR highway here, and lo and behold, a huge a** "Obama" banner was hanging from their building. I was so pissed I could have spit nails. I almost reported it to the MD Republican org, BUT, it's not a federal owned building, so I guess there's not much that can be done (AND I guess they are big on the little "O" because they are after all a Union...)

279 jcm  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:02am

re: #271 subsailor68

I agree completely!

I find it nearly incomprehensible we won that, now we have to fight to keep a [deleted] Marxist out of the White House.

280 RedinLA  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:53am

re: #272 Born_to_lose

My moonbat boss spent yesterday ranting about how Palin supposed Travelgate involving her children. My boss then went immediately to plotting how to change the company's utility bills to her own name in order to get her kids into better schools.

281 midwestgak  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:32:44am

re: #127 capitalist piglet

I live in Seattle, and I'm afraid to put a bumpersticker on my car or a sign in my yard. They have silenced me.

They haven't taken away your right or ability to vote.

I live in the Chicago area and would not put a bumpersticker on my car or in my window at home. The left's mentality for reprisals toward the likes of us is predictable. I want my property to remain intact.

I will vote Nov 4th no matter how many moonbats are standing in line with me. Remember - popular vote.

282 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:06am

re: #177 JohnAdams

I still think Newt states conservative principles the most clearly and with the appropriate urgency. But could you imagine the Unhinged Rage the little leftists would be in if Newt was running and not McCain?

Hmmm. I have no problems with Newt. Very practical and pragmatical man, well grounded in conservative values. Even after attempts to smear him by Bonior over Ethics violations were cleared, the press never reported such. The media ruined his career, as they have several others. He was just too great a threat to th Democrat party machine.

283 Born_to_lose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #277 LGoPs

OMG! That is a great analogy! I have actually always thought of the Libs as the screaming children on the playground and the conservatives as the recess aids. My God, I am not alone in my assesment of their immature idealism!

284 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:49am

re: #189 realwest

Indeed, especially after the Tet Offensive (which even North Vietnamese General Giap called an unmitigated disaster for the communists) which was reported by none other than good ole Walter Cronkite himself, as an enormous defeat for the US and South Vietanamese.
Not to mention the DEMCRATIC CONGRESS' failure to Fund the President's aid Pledge to the South Vietnamese.
MOFO'S, ALL OF 'EM.

Agree completely. However, I never saw any of the media coverage of the Tet offensive. We didn't get a whole lot of media where I was employed.

285 Born_to_lose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:34:14am

re: #280 RedinLA

My moonbat boss spent yesterday ranting about how Palin supposed Travelgate involving her children. My boss then went immediately to plotting how to change the company's utility bills to her own name in order to get her kids into better schools.

Un friggin' believable.

286 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:34:38am

re: #281 midwestgak

They haven't taken away your right or ability to vote.

I live in the Chicago area and would not put a bumpersticker on my car or in my window at home. The left's mentality for reprisals toward the likes of us is predictable. I want my property to remain intact.

I will vote Nov 4th no matter how many moonbats are standing in line with me. Remember - popular vote.


They truly are 'brownshirts' and the irony is that they wouldn't have the slightest idea what we're talking about......they are sand-poundingly ignorant......and dangerous.

287 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:34:52am

re: #273 Dianna

Have you read this one Dianna?
The Last Days of Innocence; America at War, 1917-8
I was astounded reading about the trampling of rights that occurred at that time. I share your opinion of Wilson after reading this. I can't quite remember, but IIRC he was pretty much incapacitated late in his administration and his wife actually ran the country behind the scenes.

288 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:35:52am

re: #267 Vergeltung

re: #239 MandyManners

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

well, so do I, but, that does not mean I can't love my country. :P

You loved Bills' penis too? Sorry, couldn't resist playing with the English a little. ;-)>

289 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:19am

re: #283 Born_to_lose


see my #266

290 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:28am

re: #272 Born_to_lose

Move to the South. There are Obama worshippers here, but they are outnumbered. Even down to waitreses/waiters we are Conservative. Now this is the Eastern part of Tennessee I'm speaking of. But even in the large metropolitian places like Atlanta, Republican/Right-wing ideas are publicly addressed.

291 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:37am

re: #199 BakaRanger

Obama makes the Clintons look really good.

Well, Bill anyway. Hillary... not so sure.

292 stanleymberg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:37:43am

Just so y'all know....the writer of this piece is Jamie Kirchick, a Democrat in the Lieberman mold, which is to say that he's considered a complete apostate by the radical Leftists who've taken over the Democratic Party. He's gay and he's Jewish and he understands the nature of the enemy that is radical Islam. I know that sounds like a bunch of contradictions-in-terms, but that's the truth. Not everyone at the New Republic is a leftist moonbat. Yes, they lean left, but they still have some sane and very smart people writing for them - well, at least they have Jamie.

I share your revulsion with the Obama forces, but I also am a Jewish Democrat (not gay) who comes to LGF for solace, needing a place to read that there are other people who see the sinister (and increasingly anti-Semitic, bury-their-heads-in-the-sand-about-radical-Islam) Left in action and the media's rank complicity therein.

We're out there, we're just being drowned out by the crazies. G-d help us all, the crazies seem to be winning. Keep fighting the good fight - many of you may think everyone to the left of center is a moonbat, but it's not true - and, in fact, many of us have even more of an axe to grind against the moonbats because they've hijacked our party and excommunicated us because we don't fall in line with their radical vision.

293 RedinLA  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:38:00am

re: #285 Born_to_lose

Unfortunately not "unbelievable" anymore...She then ranted about how disgusted she was when her 7 year old wanted to go as a policeman for Halloween. I believe she talked him into going as a lady bug. And no, I am NOT kidding.

294 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:39:22am

re: #201 realwest

Uh well please think a little bit more - a LOT of the "moonbat" generation served with honor and distinction in Vietnam - not all Baby Boomers drank the Kool-Aid then or since.

Unfortunately, we don't seem to be the Boomers who went into politics or the media.

295 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:40:56am

re: #294 Son of the Black Dog

Unfortunately, we don't seem to be the Boomers who went into politics or the media.

Or education.

296 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:00am

Imagine if some conservative held a sign like this - with Obama's name rather than Bush's - outside of the CNN building in Los Angeles, do you think they would still have ignored it?

297 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:56am

re: #293 RedinLA

I believe she talked him into going as a lady bug. And no, I am NOT kidding.

Oh great, another one my kids are going to have to defend.

298 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:45:15am

re: #201 realwest

Uh well please think a little bit more - a LOT of the "moonbat" generation served with honor and distinction in Vietnam - not all Baby Boomers drank the Kool-Aid then or since.


Yeah...that's why there's still roughly 50% of us who haven't been brainwashed. But it's an uphill fight with the moonbats controlling much of the culture....and more of them trying blatantly to steal the election.

299 Born_to_lose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:45:42am

re: #290 Iron Fist


Oh, I would LOVE to relocate to the south, no doubt. My kind of people (mom and pop's families are from places like TN and FL and GA). One thing I have to say though, growing up in MD has CERTAINLY honed my debating skills, politically speaking. Better than, I'd venture to even say, college! lol, a bit extreme, but a feeling I certainly have. Oh, and one other thing I have noticed, without being too assy, the folks with the John Kerry stickers still on their bumpers, as well as those with the "circular socialist symbol" now plastered all over the back of their cars, yeah, they are DEFINATELY the reason the DC metro area has their bad rap for being notorious when it comes to poor quality of drivers! I do beleive!

300 Sunlight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:09am

re: #206 Kenneth

This needs to be a constant societal discussion. While I have issues with removing threats that interrogators can use or even more if there's an imminent threat, I would not use the Germans as an example. I understand using them because the Euros have acted so holier-than-thou in every aspect. But when I lived in Germany in the early '70s, they sent two vans of riot police to "apprehend" a skinny junior in high school at our American school. He apparently had shoplifted off campus and outside our housing area. They chased him down in the yard in front of the school and hit him with riot sticks. In front of all of us outside at lunch time. So they have some screw loose when you juxtapose their ruling with how they treated a kid of the unpopular Americans.

301 RedinLA  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #26 equable

Seriously, if you need some hot fiscally conservative LA chicks with unresolved work/anger issues to act as your roadies, let me know.

302 lurking faith  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #255 leereyno

But all of this raises an even larger question for me. How and why did political disagreements turn into a religious war?

I think it began when the secular humanists decided to take over our educational system. After many decades of indoctrination, much of the left has no religion other than whatever fad is currently broadcast by the preachers in the MSM.

I have been told I am hateful and/or stupid ever since I reached college (private school before that; thanks Mom and Dad!), and as the attacks have become more vicious over the years I have gradually become less and less able to respond with civility.

I do agree with you that positive conversion is the best alternative. But it's so hard to get people to listen to reason and evidence, when they've been taught that logic is the tool of the oppressor.

303 lurking faith  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:14am

re: #273 Dianna

People have always wondered why I dislike Woodrow Wilson.


Let me count the ways...

304 stanleymberg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:22am

BREAKING NEWS!
(for real)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

305 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:47am

Do five simple things a day to stay sane, say scientists.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

My five simple things are..
1. Read LGF
2. Read LGF
3. Read LGF
4. Read LGF
5. Read LGF

306 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:52:34am

re: #304 stanleymberg

BREAKING NEWS!
(for real)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]


Clearly just proof positive that we're all racists........
//////

307 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:52:41am

re: #304 stanleymberg

BREAKING NEWS!
(for real)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

AP is being RACIST, obambi will send his minions shortly.

308 DaddyG  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:52:45am

re: #101 jiminycricket

If the Obamanation wins this election....and God forbid that....the real winner will not be his holiness but the media. It seems to me the first time in US history that this is the case. A sorry and disturbing state of affairs. A war of resistance should be declared on the MSM. Its reputation must be discredited. It is disempowering the people and has become treasonous and seditious even. The MSM has become an enemy within and must be challenged, accused, jettisoned from the body politic. The people need to be constantly reminded what a propaganda machine it has become, an instrument of mind control.

Here is where I disagree with you. The media has gone to far - but they are discrediting themselves. The war we must wage is being waged by people like Charles, Zombie, et al. If the information product is corrupted or inadequate then replace it with a better product. It is a slow process but I have some faith that the tide is turning given the pains of the old media.

309 stanleymberg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:52am

Actually, it's even more racist to link the AP poll. I apologize.

310 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:55:43am

re: #101 jiminycricket

If the Obamanation wins this election....and God forbid that....the real winner will not be his holiness but the media. It seems to me the first time in US history that this is the case. A sorry and disturbing state of affairs. A war of resistance should be declared on the MSM. Its reputation must be discredited. It is disempowering the people and has become treasonous and seditious even. The MSM has become an enemy within and must be challenged, accused, jettisoned from the body politic. The people need to be constantly reminded what a propaganda machine it has become, an instrument of mind control.


They are a modern day Praetorian Guard......they will select our leader....and we're letting them. Goshdarnit!

311 debutaunt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:44am

re: #239 MandyManners

Bill loved his penis more than anything.

Demeaning women was a close second.

312 Sunlight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:07:05am

re: #308 DaddyG

Here is where I disagree with you. The media has gone to far - but they are discrediting themselves. The war we must wage is being waged by people like Charles, Zombie, et al. If the information product is corrupted or inadequate then replace it with a better product. It is a slow process but I have some faith that the tide is turning given the pains of the old media.

I keep saying this and I'm not in a position to do it.... But PJ Media, Hotair, Powerline, LGF, Instapundit, etc. might be able to. Idea #1: Select a hardware platform and software that can be mounted on the kitchen wall by the coffee pot and it would print your selected news (feed or blogs, whatever you preselect) at the right time to be sitting there, printed out when you get your coffee. On maybe 11x17 paper so you can take it on the train with you or however you normally read you breakfast table newspaper. Idea #2: I read that some of the morning papers are ditching APO (Assoc. Press Obama, as Rush says)... we could talk to them about printing customized papers (see above) by subscription and delivering them to the driveway in their current system...

313 equable  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:14:57am

re: #301 RedinLA

Seriously, if you need some hot fiscally conservative LA chicks with unresolved work/anger issues to act as your roadies, let me know.

HAHA that would rock!

314 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:27am

re: #242 Kenneth

My only quibble was when I read the following: you wrote: "Obama has NPD, not APD." It just sounded too definitive; as if you were stating a fact, as opposed to a conjecture. I don't mind conjectures, opinions, etc. Anyway, i would also elaborate a bit more (but, I shall bite my tongue until after the election.)

315 hazzyday  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:30:45am

When I hear Naomi Wolf talk I am reminded of the people I knew who had Paranoid Schizophrenia. She lacks a reality check and fills it with her negative fantasies. She is smart enough and can cope well enough to advocate her position. But you can kind of tell she is so rigid in her beliefs and fanatasies that she can't change them.

316 Clio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:31:57am

re: #23 newsjunkie_ky

From The Corner:
CNN's Rank Dishonesty [Rich Lowry]

Watch this clip from a CNN interview with Sarah Palin (I'm assuming nothing of significance has been edited out by TPM). And then read the context of the quote from Byron's favorable story on how Palin governed from an issue ago:

Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, it’s sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward, or — or, well, all of the above. Palin, the governor of Alaska, has faced more criticism than any vice-presidential candidate since 1988, when Democrats and the press tore into Dan Quayle. In fact, Palin may have it even worse than Quayle, since she’s taking flak not only from Democrats and the press but from some conservative opinion leaders as well....

Yes, there are legitimate concerns about Palin’s lack of experience. Who wouldn’t, at the very least, wish that she had more time in the governor’s office on her résumé? But a look at Palin’s 20 months in power, along with interviews with people who worked with her, shows her to be a serious executive, a governor who picked important things to do and got them done — and who didn’t just stumble into an 80 percent job-approval rating.

I'm disgusted, but not surprised.


UPDATE: TPM updates to note CNN distorted the quote.

Also, I’m told the full interview included this from the interviewer (although I haven’t seen it yet): "But they were talking about the fact that your experience as governor is not getting out. Do you feel trapped in this campaign that your message is not getting out and if so who do you blame?"
The Corner

Reiteration from an earlier thread:


"In all that Sarah says to you, hearken to her voice" - Genesis 21:12

317 mrsnuggles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:34:28am

They spent the last 8 years throwing every accusation about nazism and fascism at Bush, but now they are about to elect a man that will actually enact fascism and they are willing co-conspirators.

318 nikis-knight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:35:02am

re: #275 lurking faith

Oh, I don't know. He disagreed pretty strongly with the Iraq invasion, although primarily on tactical grounds. His main points in support of Bush are: 1. Bush didn't lie; 2. Bush has the courage to do what he thinks is right in the face of extreme opposition; and 3. Since we did invade Iraq, our only acceptable exit plan is to win.

I've never been a big fan of GWB, but I'm on board with all three of those points.

Okay. I haven't always read his world Watch column, but whenever he mentions GWB, it is in praise. Maybe it only seems so glowing in comparison to the rest of world. I don't always agree with Card, but he does often have wisdom and I love his fiction.

319 wltzacrsstxs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:39:13am

#302 ~

Good explanation. I've been operating under the assumption that most leftists are baby boomers who were horribly spoiled by their parents, the greatest generation. Because the baby boomers never had to grow up (they don't work, instead, they spend the pennies their noble parents scrimped and saved for) they still behave like adolescents - flying into fits of rage, being completely self-centered, and utterly incapable of seeing the other side on any argument. I've been blaming their parents for not spanking them more - and wondering why the greatest generation would have performed so nobly as citizens, and so piteously as parents. I decided they must have been so exhausted from war that they didn't want any more conflict in their lives. So they let their children run wild.

I've often thought about what horrible parents Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn had (have?). How could they raise such narcissistic, unfeeling, uncaring human beings, who appear to think it's perfectly OK to destroy other people's lives and property merely to make their point? I wonder why people like Ayers and Dohrn think their point is so important that they are entitled to take things that don't belong to them and hurt other people. What makes them think they are so special?

320 Joel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 12:16:21pm

I am starting to think that the game has 3:00 minutes to go and we are down by 2 points at our own 40 yard line and Joe Montana circa 1988 is our QB. We are going to win this damn thing!

321 Boolz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 12:29:25pm

re: #34 thedopefishlives

try this for intellectual exercise...
...first guesstimate the percentage of people in this country on drugs, both illegal and legal (pain killers, antidepressants, mood elevators, etc)
...then consider the side effects of such drugs, especially those that deal with limiting mental capacity, hallucinations, suggestion and paranoid or pyschotic behavior...
...then guesstimate the percentage of those who are also registered voters...
...finally, guesstimate the breakdown of those into percentages of Republican, Democratic, or other political affiliations, and consider how the percentage breakdown of unbalanced people can sway the election of the man whose finger will be on the Button for the next four years.

Pleasant dreams, everybody!

322 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 12:30:27pm

re: #131 pat

The meme is only the right is hateful. What some call leftist hate is merely corrective response. Sort of like Palestinians need to respond to Israeli aggression. So on the right we have hate filled Hitlerites, on the left Freedom Fighters.


well, if crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?

323 redmirabai  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 1:07:17pm

re: #127 capitalist piglet
I live in the CD of Seattle, and I have the same reluctance. I can't afford slashed tires, or to have a rock thrown through the window. I think some of my neighbors have their Obama/Biden signs out as insurance.

324 redmirabai  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 1:30:10pm

re: #233 Dave the.....

Hasn't Joe Blowhard continued to characterize the other driver in his own tragic accident as "drunk"? When that man's family keeps asking him to stop, because that is untrue?
If this story about Biden's brother is true, that makes Biden even denser than everything else he says. This man is qualified to be VP?

325 leereyno  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 2:24:17pm

re: #302 lurking faith

The idea that logic is the "tool of the oppressor" pretty much says it all. When a large segment of any society prefers delusional nonsense to the truth, and rejects objective reality and the intellectual tools that are used to understand it, that society is in a state of advanced decay.

There are many people who make the same mistake that the Romans did in assuming that our civilization is perpetual and that it will continue to grow and advance. Civilization is a fragile thing. It wasn't the barbarian hordes that destroyed Rome, it was the internal decay of the society and its rejection of the virtues and values that were the foundation of its former glory that made it possible for an external enemy to invade in the first place.

I see the same thing happening here.

The truth is important. It is perhaps the most important thing of all. Those who would deny it are at best insane.

326 Rose Parade  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:17pm

re: #127 capitalist piglet

I live in Seattle, and I'm afraid to put a bumpersticker on my car or a sign in my yard. They have silenced me.

Add me to the list of people who would have loved to put a McCain/Palin sticker on my car, but don't feel like having it vandalized.

The person who parks next to me has had an Obama sticker on their car for months and messing with it never occurred to me. What a perfect example of the difference between us and them.

re: #285 Born_to_lose

Un friggin' believable.

I believe it. Such hypocrites.

327 steve  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:31pm

re: #326 Rose Parade

I have a Mccain/Palin sticker on my vehicle and the first time that happened I would come back with a video camera and wait for it to happen again, film the whole thing and then sue them for what they were worth.

328 Clubsec  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:17:33am

Some excellent comments above. Wish I had time to peruse them all.
I just wanted to add re: Keith Olberdunce and is inane messages on MSNBC (no, i don't have cable and likely never will but I do read about his outbursts) ... many a moon ago I worked a PT job in Radio/TV and it was my observation that for the most part the folks who work 'in front' of the cameras are (how shall I put this?) ... mental midgets. I put them in a category with used car salesmen and real estate sales folks. Not the kind of person who you'd find capable of sustaining any level of intellectual discourse. But hey, I work in aerospace so surrounded by well above average intellegent people. (There are exceptions however, but they are rare.)
As I said to colleags ... I have no fear of being judged by a jury of my piers my fear is being judged by folks who watch Oprah (wow, I had to look up the spelling of her name) and day-time soaps and have no analytical skills whatsoever. Scary that.

Does anyone realize why the McCain crowds are smaller than the ObamUH crowds? ... Most of us are too busy at WORK!

later ya'll,


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