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Shocka: Coverage of McCain Mostly Negative

Politics | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:43:45 pm PDT

With nary a hint of irony, Politico reports that the coverage of John McCain has been overwhelmingly negative.

The good news for John McCain? He’s now receiving as much attention from the national media as his Democratic rival. The bad news? It’s overwhelmingly negative.

Just 14 percent of the stories about John McCain, from the conventions through the final presidential debate, were positive in tone, according to a study released today, while nearly 60 percent were negative — the least favorable coverage of any of the four candidates on the two tickets.

The study, by The Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism, a nonpartisan journalism watchdog organization, examined 2,412 stories from 43 newspapers and cable news shows in the six-week period beginning just after the conventions and ending with the final presidential debate.

It’s just something that sort of happens, I guess, and the media reports on it like they report everything else, without any sense of responsibility or embarrassment. Then they go right back to writing hit pieces.

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1 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:12pm

:-O Color me shocked! NOT!

2 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:21pm

Just saw some bullshit on the front page of Yahoo:

Is Sarah Palin a Liability?

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:26pm

Obama gives them tingly legs.

4 noshariaincanada  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:44pm

what media bias?

5 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:53pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

Just saw some bullshit on the front page of Yahoo:

Is Sarah Palin a Liability?

Once again, Yahoo lives up to its name.

6 spidly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:45:53pm

no way

7 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:46:07pm

"Excellence in Journalism" sounds rather contradictory.

8 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:46:13pm

Where can I get a tank of the stuff these people are sniffing?

9 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:46:42pm

He was hanging around with commies for years.
/

10 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:46:55pm

In other news, the sky is blue, the ocean is wet and a Cathoilic bear took a dump somewhere in the woods.

11 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:47:14pm

The MSM is amoral, and doesn't give a flying flip that it is.

12 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:47:42pm

Pew blames McCain with a statement that in essence says that he just keeps doing bad stuff.

“Much of the increased attention for McCain derived from actions by the senator himself, actions that, in the end, generated mostly negative assessments,” the study found.

In their world, the negative assessment is just the only natural one. They see no bias or a postive way the story could have been written

“In many ways, the arc of the media narrative during this phase of the 2008 general election might best be described as a drama in which John McCain acted and Barack Obama reacted.”

And the media helpfully explained why McCain was wrong, even if 50% of the country could have written it with less slant.

13 ugetwhatuputout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:47:54pm

Oh, I'm so glad we've cleared that up. Now we can expect some real fairness in our reporting.
Okay, I'll just give up on that idea right quick.

14 LynnfromNZ  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:48:06pm

I'd be surprised if the positive percentage is really as high as 14.

15 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:48:18pm
So do these numbers reveal a pro-Obama bias? Not necessarily, according to the study’s authors.

Paging Mr. Gall. Mr. Unmitigated Gall.

16 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:48:24pm

So this is Zombie's big announcement?
;)

17 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:20pm

The only thing harder to deal with than a moonbat loss in this election would be, of course, a moonbat win.

18 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:20pm

I get the sense that reporters are afraid to actually write reasonably rational pieces on McCain/Palin out of fear for their jobs.

19 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:27pm
Rather, they say, the statistics “do offer a strong suggestion that winning in politics begat winning coverage, thanks in part to the relentless tendency of the press to frame its coverage of national elections as running narratives about the relative position of the candidates in the polls

Got it? They ran twice as many puff pieces on Obama as McCain because Obama is leading in the polls.

20 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:39pm

Then as polls tighten and we prepare for a shocking McCain victory, we get genius like this.

A Drag on the Ticket?

21 newton  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:47pm

Yet more proof that the media are in the tank for in bed with Obama.

Dang! I've never, ever seen such blatant journalistic orgy in my life! Media whores, indeed!

22 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:49:56pm

re: #1 sngnsgt

:-O Color me shocked! NOT!

Racist!

23 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:50:24pm

re: #17 Taqyia2Me

Excellent point.

24 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:50:30pm

re: #21 newton

Yet more proof that the media are in the tank for in bed with Obama.

Dang! I've never, ever seen such blatant journalistic orgy in my life! Media whores, indeed!

Don't go insulting hard working whores all over like that!

25 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:50:38pm

re: #5 gmsc

Once again, Yahoo lives up to its name.

Yeah, because why?

Oh, yeah, clothes and travel. . .you know SCANDAL! yawn, if you do not give a shit about terrorists, even the old ones. . .how can you worry about dresses?

26 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:50:59pm

re: #18 rightymouse

I get the sense that reporters are afraid to actually write reasonably rational pieces on McCain/Palin out of fear for their jobs.

That's also why we don't see any journalism critical of Obama or his policies.

27 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:51:04pm

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

28 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:51:29pm

re: #19 Silhouette

Got it? They ran twice as many puff pieces on Obama as McCain because Obama is leading in the polls.

See, Ithought I was reading that wrong. . .

29 psyop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:51:58pm

Big effing surprise...

Beck had a fun segment with this theme, comparing McCain and Obama headlines, and seeing who came out with the most favorable ones...

30 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:51:59pm

re: #10 Fenway_Nation

In other news, the sky is blue, the ocean is wet and a Cathoilic bear took a dump somewhere in the woods.

Wouldn't a Catholic bear take a dump in one of the bathrooms at the Vatican?

31 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:08pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

That's also why we don't see any journalism critical of Obama or his policies.

Yeah, they do not want to get plumbered. . .

32 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:18pm

The question I have, given that Pew both blames McCain for the abundance of negatives (He just does more wrong!) and claims the media takes its cues from the polls and runs twice as many good stories on the leader, given these clearly BS rationales, why do we even believe their judgment on what was positive, neutral, and negative?

In examining tone, the project’s authors wrote that they took a “cautious and conservative approach,” only judging a story positive or negative if the slant was very clear.

So they only called a hit piece on McCain a hit piece when the slant was clear TO THEM.

Clear to the people who don't see that this shows bias to Obama.

What I'm saying is, I think the numbers are way worse for negative on McCain and positive for Obama.

33 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:31pm

didn't google endorse Obama this week?

34 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:37pm

re: #17 Taqyia2Me

The only thing harder to deal with than a moonbat loss in this election would be, of course, a moonbat win.

I'll try to suffer through the former.

35 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:44pm

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

So? The ONE wrote it first, and just teleported it back to 1974 with his mind, where some guy who lives in his neighborhood found it.

36 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:52:52pm

Unlike scientists of yesteryear, we know that flies don't suddenly arise from rotten meat.

THERE BE MAGGOTS!

37 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:53:04pm

re: #29 psyop

Big effing surprise...

Beck had a fun segment with this theme, comparing McCain and Obama headlines, and seeing who came out with the most favorable ones...

Yeah, if you get the chance and have the time, it is like news from real and bizzaro worlds. . .

38 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:53:13pm

Yellow press journalism is alive, well, and still irresponsible. They take the First Amendment to the Constitution and wipe their collective asses on it.

39 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:53:45pm

Speaking of journalism...and zombie, there must be some synchronicity in the universe going on because tonight on TCM they're showing I Walk With a Zombie at 3 am EST.
/tinfoil hat off

40 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:53:55pm

re: #18 rightymouse

Even television people -- like Glenn Beck...makes one wonder if Beck got the axe because he was just too outspoken, too truthful for the Leftists to tolerate...The Left just can't tolerate any criticism of The Zero 2 weeks prior to the election...

41 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:53:57pm

re: #19 Silhouette

Got it? They ran twice as many puff pieces on Obama as McCain because Obama is leading in the polls.

The opposite is true actually. In theory, the media should be more critical of the frontrunner. That has been the model for many, many elections. Bad news sells, and there isn't any reason to say bad things about the guy no one intends to vote for in the first place.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:54:12pm

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

43 psyop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:54:35pm

Also, on a related note, in my daily Seattle Times, no fewer than THREE articles on how socialism is already a part of our American Experience and we should, therefore, not fear MORE socialism.

44 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:54:43pm

Yum Yum....love me some schadenfreude.

Anyone else want some?

We also have some desert as well.

45 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:54:57pm

You Heard It Here First (Coyote Blog):

I said it a couple of weeks ago:

Economists will be poking through this situation years from now, and may well find the bunkers empty of WMD's. Another trillion dollar commitment and unprecedented expansion of executive power ramrodded on the back of fear mongering and chicken-little crisis declaration.

And even before that on October 1

Well, they're picking through the bunkers now, and its not at all clear the threat was what it was portrayed to be. The Fed of Minneapolis debunks four myths (pdf)

Myth 1. Bank lending to non…nancial corporations and individuals has declined sharply.
Myth 2. Interbank lending is essentially nonexistent.
Myth 3. Commercial paper issuance by non…nancial corporations has declined sharply and rates have risen to unprecedented levels.
Myth 4. Banks play a large role in channeling funds from savers to borrowers.

Apparently, others are starting to make the WMD comparison.

A couple of examples below. First, sure looks like all the inter-bank lending has dried up:

(See first link in this post for the graph)

Yep, and no one is lending to Main Street businesses either, so we better do something!

(See first link in this post for the graph)

Just to avoid confusion, that upward spike began in September, well before the Lehman bankruptcy. Similar stories in commercial paper, consumer lending, leases, etc. See the whole thing.

46 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:55:27pm

re: #30 RememberSekhmet?

Wouldn't a Catholic bear take a dump in one of the bathrooms at the Vatican?

Perhaps the Cardinals have been referring to those as "the woods" ever since they heard that mangled one liner about the Pope.

47 kingkenrod  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:55:40pm

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

That would be huge...either Obama is a plagarist (and a liar), or Ayers ghost wrote Obama's book (and Obama's still a liar).

48 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:55:41pm

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

Then as polls tighten and we prepare for a shocking McCain victory, we get genius like this.

A Drag on the Ticket?

Just posted that on the old thread, but I'll post my comment here too....

Where do they get this BULLshit from? If it wasn't for Palin, I wouldn't be voting FOR the McCain ticket, just AGAINST the Obama ticket.

49 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:55:49pm

It's amazing how so many people are just absolutely convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that tens of millions of their fellow Americans are racist haters of the worst kind, ready to don sheets, burn crosses, and form lynch mobs at the drop of a hat. And how they so readily accept the claim, without a shred of evidence, that the McCain/Palin campaign is both overtly and subtly (socialist=black!) inciting racist hatred.

The overwhelming majority of the commenters on Lewis Diuguid's ridiculous posting in Midwest Voices righteously slammed Mr. Diuguid, but there were a few exceptions, like this one:

America's disgust with racism grows. Wonderful!
Submitted by joshlamp on October 22, 2008 - 3:06am.
Fortunately the country more and more is seeing through obvious republican racism and is saying "Stop it. It is distasteful. It is hate. Hate is murder. We will not vote for you if you are a hater or stoke hatred." Thank you America.

Stop it? STOP WHAT? Where is the racism? If it's so "obvious," why does Mr. Diuguid feel the need to explain to the clueless that socialist=black?

50 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:00pm

re: #41 Scion9

I imagine neither is true. I imagine they run puff pieces on the guys they like, and negative on the guys they don't like, without regard to any public poll.

51 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:02pm

re: #43 psyop

Also, on a related note, in my daily Seattle Times, no fewer than THREE articles on how socialism is already a part of our American Experience and we should, therefore, not fear MORE socialism.

Sort of like metastatic cancer, eh. Already got it in the lungs, kidneys, liver and brain so why worry when it spreads to some new places as well?

52 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:04pm

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

Yum Yum....love me some schadenfreude.

Anyone else want some?

We also have some desert as well.

Damn, that went straight to my hips. . so worth it. . .

53 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:06pm

re: #43 psyop

Yes, I'm seeing a lot more MSM articles questioning capitalism too.

54 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:11pm

They are just decrementing their audience every election, soon they will have 1/3 of the country only, and will be in vicious knife fights with each other to maintain their share of that viewerships audience.

Yet another dismal outcome of allowing the socialists to take over the teaching colleges.

55 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:11pm

re: #8 CapeCoddah

Where can I get a tank of the stuff these people are sniffing?

Cape - I posted this previous thread but you were probably gone:


I love fish.
Please send it to me. My nic is blue.
If that doesn't work, click my avatar and my e-mail addy is in my profile.
THANKS.
56 nightlight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:33pm

I guess the media thinks Palin should have gotten around Alaska by snowmobile?

Gov. Palin sold one state plane, used another

[Link: deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com...]

57 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:34pm

I think I just discovered a connection worthy of a genius hat tip and an update to this thread: I have a feeling this very same biased journalism is responsible for the Iraq-war derangement syndrome, and the strong anti-Israeli sentiments the world yields to.

58 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:40pm

You called it a long time ago Charles. The media are the enemy. So let's be clear: they are the enemy of the American soldier, of the Constitution, of freedom of the individual, and of capitalism.

59 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:56:47pm

re: #40 J.S.

Even television people -- like Glenn Beck...makes one wonder if Beck got the axe because he was just too outspoken, too truthful for the Leftists to tolerate...The Left just can't tolerate any criticism of The Zero 2 weeks prior to the election...

Remember, he is starting a Fox News show in the spring of '09.

60 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:05pm

re: #41 Scion9

The opposite is true actually. In theory, the media should be more critical of the frontrunner. That has been the model for many, many elections. Bad news sells, and there isn't any reason to say bad things about the guy no one intends to vote for in the first place.

On the other hand maybe the press knows that McCain truly is the frontrunner.

61 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:17pm

re: #47 kingkenrod

That would be huge...either Obama is a plagarist (and a liar), or Ayers ghost wrote Obama's book (and Obama's still a liar).


+
Ayers ghost-wrote the book, that's my theory.

62 Maui Girl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:18pm

OT
I went into my fav Thai food restaurant and while I was waiting for my order I noticed the newspaper on the table I'm sitting at and lo and behold, Obama is on the front page with his grandmama. It's his Honolulu grad pic with grandmama giving him a big hug around his lei-laden neck. I calmly took my pen and put a couple of horns, a moustache and goatie (sp) on his face. I felt so naughty!

63 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:42pm

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

I like it.

64 Russkilitlover  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:46pm

Ah. The NO SHIT award of the day.

65 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:57:56pm

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

Then as polls tighten and we prepare for a shocking McCain victory, we get genius like this.

A Drag on the Ticket?

Yeah, that "drag on the ticket" sold out a 20,000 seat hall in Springfield, MO in an hour or two.

More like DRAGON on the ticket. The good kind of dragon.

66 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:58:57pm

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

Yeah, I love it. In the NBC poll, 34% said Sarah is unqualified when - what? - probably 60% of respondents were dems? I think it's an incredible vote of confidence.

67 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:08pm

re: #45 gmsc

You Heard It Here First (Coyote Blog):

One sad possible effect of this is that all the extra money pumped in to alleviate the alleged credit crunch will result in inflation as early as next year.

68 MisterCookie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:15pm

Why do I get the feeling some Obamaton hijacked Killgore's account and is trying to spread FUD about Palin?

69 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:19pm

re: #47 kingkenrod

That would be huge...either Obama is a plagarist (and a liar), or Ayers ghost wrote Obama's book (and Obama's still a liar).

A plagiarist, you mean just like his VP choice? Birds of a feather...

70 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:39pm

re: #49 Tigger2005
mm, i guess
they need to be reminded of Primarys where Hillary ,Bill 1/2 Dem party and anyone that wouldn't allow election Fraud were also Racists.
Unfortunately 2/3 of that Party cowed down and swallowed kool-aide for survival.

71 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 4:59:47pm

re: #56 nightlight

Yea....it's not like there aren't any sizeable towns in Alaska that aren't connected to the state's highway network.

/

72 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:06pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

Dammit Kilgore, you get your ass to the polls and vote for John, and take as many of your family as you can with you. You must do this, if for no other reason than President Obama would be a disaster.

73 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:17pm

BASEBALL ! ! !

74 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:24pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

The ongoing meme at the BBC is that Capitalism is dead and that every other major country around the world (ie, the U.S.) will just have to follow the lead of the UK and take over the banking sector.

75 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:27pm

OK, I've been sitting here refreshing Zomblog over and over.

Is there supposed to be something happening?

76 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:34pm

What about the coverage on Palin? Was that more positive or negative?

/need I?

77 psyop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:45pm

re: #51 Perplexed

Sort of like metastatic cancer, eh. Already got it in the lungs, kidneys, liver and brain so why worry when it spreads to some new places as well?

I know... it friggin' pisses me off...

It is one of the biggest gripes of the conservatives... we need LESS government, not more.

78 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:56pm

re: #49 Tigger2005

Diuguid

/still funny

79 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:00:58pm

re: #73 mama winger

BASEBALL ! ! !

As American as Capitalism, supporting the troops and equality. No wonder Obama's a basketball fan.

80 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:02pm

John McCain endured torture and privation with honor.

He is the rarest of politicians: unafraid of upsetting anyone.

We need John McCain in 2008.

81 calvin coolidge  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:11pm

"We thought we were wrong once, but we were mistaken" -MSM

82 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:15pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

I'm also waiting. Hope it's soon. Any indication fo context ?

83 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:22pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

Would you vote for me if I were running?

Because I am Sarah Palin.

84 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:35pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

OK, I've been sitting here refreshing Zomblog over and over.

Is there supposed to be something happening?

It's like the VP nominations, I guess. Building up the suspense makes it more exciting.

85 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:43pm

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

86 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:47pm

The crap Palin is taking is the same crap any Veep pick would have been taking. The Left doesn't know what to do without Bush, and they can't turn McCain into Bush, so you know they were gonna try with the Veep pick, no matter who it was.

87 Luigi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:55pm

Biden's gaffes
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]


"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed,"

“Look, John’s last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S.”

“I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know.”


Biden's condition:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


Biden, now 66, underwent major brain surgery in 1988 to repair two aneurysms, one of which was bleeding and causing intense pain. The situation was so dire that a priest gave Biden the last rites of the Catholic church Church before his surgery.

[Link: www.bafound.org...]

Memory involves many facets of the brain, and if a brain aneurysm or treatment damaged any of these areas, your memory will suffer.

88 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:01:58pm

OMG

OBAM reciting some kinda crap before the game ? ? ?

What is THIS !

89 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:13pm

re: #82 willowone

I'm also waiting. Hope it's soon. Any indication fo context ?

I don't know. I just noticed on the previous thread people were talking about how zombie was supposed to post something explosive today. I just took their word for it . . .

90 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:26pm

GET OBAMA OUT OF THE WORLD SERIES

91 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:33pm

re: #79 JSK1121

As American as Capitalism, supporting the troops and equality. No wonder Obama's a basketball fan.


I thought he was a Phillies and Rays fan

92 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:36pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

Woohoo! Big enough to sink the Obama-tanic?

93 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:42pm

re: #57 Age Of Freedom

I think I just discovered a connection worthy of a genius hat tip and an update to this thread: I have a feeling this very same biased journalism is responsible for the Iraq-war derangement syndrome, and the strong anti-Israeli sentiments the world yields to.

Oh, I saw that connection a LONG time ago. Believe me, these people know exactly what they're doing. They talk to each other, they watch what the others are doing. The tactics are almost identical. It's also easy to see the roots in Nazi and Soviet Communist propaganda. And the way the media prevents Israel from defending herself is quite similar to the way it's trying to prevent McCain from going on the attack.

94 Benschachar  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:42pm

I gotta say that I'm really disconcerted about the media lately. Charles, In the short time I've known your site you've always seemed a moderate, before the past couple of weeks I've seen a great change in your behavior: you never once explicitly said that there there was a liberal bias, acting more like a stoic media watchdog, but lately the media's bias has been so egregious it has you exasperated so I wonder how much further the MSM can dig their hole?

95 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:02:51pm

re: #85 Charles

not necked rears.. i hope?

96 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:09pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

I'm disappointed in your decision. And I have trouble with Republicans voting for a known socialist because Gov. Palin is on the ticket. She's not running for President, but Obama is. Something doesn't sound right here. Maybe they were wobbly all along.

97 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:11pm

SERIOUSLY

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:14pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

tease.

99 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:16pm

re: #43 psyop

Also, on a related note, in my daily Seattle Times, no fewer than THREE articles on how socialism is already a part of our American Experience and we should, therefore, not fear MORE socialism.

We've seen the same thing with terrorists.

First, western leftists denounce terrorists, but claim they are only a tiny minority. Then, the leftists begin making the terrorists' arguments. After people are used to them, they bring out the terrorists like Hamas, explain what they stand for, and people think, "That doesn't sound so unreasonable. We've been hearing the same things for years from our teachers and news pundits."

A 1987 poll on the US Constitution by the Boston Globe magazine reported almost half the population of the United States believe that the U.S. Constitution is the source of the phrase, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The hidden Marxists have done an excellent job educating our children while pretending they didn't exist.

100 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:30pm

re: #96 rightymouse

I'm disappointed in your decision. And I have trouble with Republicans voting for a known socialist because Gov. Palin is on the ticket. She's not running for President, but Obama is. Something doesn't sound right here. Maybe they were wobbly all along.

Yes.

101 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:38pm

Does the media hold up any good examples to our youth, who are forming their view of the world?

No, not really.

IMHO Lucibello has them by the short hairs.

102 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:03:48pm

re: #89 reine.de.tout
same information i have, I guess we will try to be adult and be patient..

Mommy how much further! : P

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:04:11pm

Sarah is coming to Roanoke on Monday. Wolfie! You here?

104 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:04:20pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

The issue with most of those 'high profile defections' is that none of them could state any logical reason that Obama was better. Is anti-theist Hitchens more into Black Liberation Theology, than he is Pentacostals? Or is he like Buckley who simply refused to believe that Obama believes in what his pastor of two decades was preaching, and is a secret atheist? Buckly wasn't high profile, but he is counting on Obama being a secret Conservative, which makes oh so much sense. Powell decided on Obama before Palin was selected, and before the economic meltdown and then lied about those being a reasons for not supporting McCain. Obviously the people he got talking points from didn't work out the whole chronology thing before putting him on air.

105 psyop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:04:32pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Yes, I'm seeing a lot more MSM articles questioning capitalism too.

Yeah, plus there was one about how the tax system is already unfair, and burdens the "rich", and how that isn't a bad thing. The article was actually using the points thats small-government capitalists have been making for years (i.e. the complete UNFAIRNESS of the current tax system) and saying it is a good thing that 40% of people pay no federal income tax. That it was somehow the intention all along...

Unbelievable.....

106 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.

107 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:07pm

re: #87 Luigi

It is NOT memory. The surgery involves retraction of the frontal lobes, which may also be damaged when the aneurysm ruptures. It took 7 months before he returned to the Senate, which indicates neurological impairment. Damage to the frontal lobes does not impair memory. Most commonly one would see disinhibition, lack of insight, and poor judgment. Great qualities in a potential VP. Again, Senator, MRI scan, please?

108 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:12pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

Thanks Charles, That should come with a scotch. That's a heck of a teaser.

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:14pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

OK, I've been sitting here refreshing Zomblog over and over.

Is there supposed to be something happening?

Yesterday, It said that the post might not be out until today. Therefore, considering Murphy's Law of Unforseen Glitches, Late-Breaking Neglected Inclusions, and Generalized Awshits, let's give it until tomorrow.

110 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:25pm

re: #106 Irene NYC

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.

LOL catz...

111 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:31pm

re: #65 Tigger2005

Yeah, that "drag on the ticket" sold out a 20,000 seat hall in Springfield, MO in an hour or two.

More like DRAGON on the ticket. The good kind of dragon.

Yep. Seems that "drag on the ticket" brings crowds of thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, everywhere she goes. Particularly in the Villages down in Florida a few weeks ago (estimated 40,000 conservatively), the Richmond International Speedway (est 30,000, after they'd had to move the rally to RIA because the previous venue was too small), and in Carson, CA, where 10,000 people were in the stands, and thousands more were in overflow outside.

Some "drag".

112 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:36pm

re: #97 mama winger

SERIOUSLY


What's going on?

113 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:41pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

Throw us a bone, man.

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:05:53pm

WHOA!
Charles has spoken!

115 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:05pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

Strange isn't it? If you're insane this makes sense--trying to vilify Palin when they have one of the most incompetent run-at-the mouth idiots running as VP.

116 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:10pm
117 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:18pm

re: #106 Irene NYC

If that ain't it, I want the film rights.

118 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:26pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

It's not bad enough that Zombie teased us starting yesterday? Well, if you have heard from the undead one, at least I can stop worrying about it.

119 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:28pm

re: #102 willowone

same information i have, I guess we will try to be adult and be patient..

Mommy how much further! : P

LOL.
My dad used to threaten to put us in the trunk of the car if we didn't get quiet. Scared us quiet real quick, I can tell you!

So, when my brother had kids, I heard him once tell his son that he was gonna be put in the trunk if he didn't get quiet - and the kid got all excited and couldn't wait to get in the trunk!

Different generations.

120 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:29pm

O'Reilly all over CNN reporter who skewed the article on Palin from the National Review. We had an earlier thread about this.

121 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:47pm

re: #73 mama winger

Baseball is beautiful.

It is complicated and subtle.

It is a team sport with a 1-on-1 duel embedded in it.

You score with your body, not the ball.

Defense has the ball, not offense.

The players make too much right now.

I could go on.

122 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:06:50pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

Please God make it a Game Changer

123 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:00pm

re: #112 rightymouse

What's going on?

They had Obama reading historical material while introducing the WORLD SERIES

stuff about how the nation had to go on during the Great Depression blah blah blah

I am disGUSTipated

124 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:04pm

I'm all atwitter! Bring it on zombie!

125 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:12pm

re: #109 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yesterday, It said that the post might not be out until today. Therefore, considering Murphy's Law of Unforseen Glitches, Late-Breaking Neglected Inclusions, and Generalized Awshits, let's give it until tomorrow.

No, I want it now, now, do you hear me?

Patience not my strong suit.

126 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:29pm

re: #102 willowone

same information i have, I guess we will try to be adult and be patient..

Mommy how much further! : P

re: #113 x-wing

Throw us a bone, man.

snigger.

seriously this waiting is difficult.
we're like a bunch of 5 year olds waiting for bday presents.

127 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:30pm

re: #115 twincitiesgirl

Strange isn't it? If you're insane this makes sense--trying to vilify Palin when they have one of the most incompetent run-at-the mouth idiots running as VP.

Never mind the VP.....lets look at how inexperienced the top banana is on the Dem ticket. I'm no Joe Biden fan, be he'd be more qualified for the #1 spot than Obama.

128 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:07:35pm

re: #112 rightymouse

What's going on?

Yeah, I just got here. What happened?

129 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:00pm

re: #59 Taqyia2Me

That's true. But, then, the election will be over...and we'll never know what Beck's opinions would have been in the weeks prior to the election (what other things he would have hit Obama with)...and now there are the millions of his viewers kept in the dark...(and the "replacement" is a Lesbian, Vegan, environmentalist -- gosh, I wonder, will she be singing the Hosannas for The Zero? obviously, "yes" as she kowtows and bows down in her idolatry of The Zero. Disgusting.)

130 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:02pm

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.

131 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:04pm

re: #126 willowone

sn*****.

seriously this waiting is difficult.
we're like a bunch of 5 year olds waiting for bday presents.

But you know it's probably gonna be a really good b'day present!

132 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:12pm

re: #121 Ojoe

Baseball is beautiful.

It is complicated and subtle.

It is a team sport with a 1-on-1 duel embedded in it.

You score with your body, not the ball.

Defense has the ball, not offense.

The players make too much right now.

I could go on.

Baseball is also the most mathematically perfect sport.

133 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:15pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

heck i tell my children, "don't make me pull this car over"!

134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:18pm

re: #113 x-wing

Throw us a bone, man.

Get used to delayed gratification. The discipline will be good for you.

/CHARRRRLLESSSS ,,, give us a HINT!

135 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:19pm

re: #120 CapeCoddah

O'Reilly all over CNN reporter who skewed the article on Palin from the National Review. We had an earlier thread about this.


just when you think you heard it all and there is no way they can sink lower, you get something like this. this stuff is making me really mad.

136 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:23pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

No, I want it now, now, do you hear me?

Patience not my strong suit.

So you're the one in front of the microwave going, "Come on. I don't have all MINUTE!"

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:30pm

re: #113 x-wing

Throw us a bone, man.

It ... has ... to ... do .... with .... *death rattle*

138 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:42pm

re: #104 Scion9


The issue with most of those 'high profile defections' is that none of them could state any logical reason that Obama was better.


Agreed. Hitch made some lame claim that Obama's going to be a moderate once in office. I've seen no proof of that. That's why I don't see either ticket as qualified.

139 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:42pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

true , true, Zombie is da bomb.

140 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:46pm

re: #123 mama winger

Well, that's it for me and this series.

141 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:48pm

re: #109 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yesterday, It said that the post might not be out until today. Therefore, considering Murphy's Law of Unforseen Glitches, Late-Breaking Neglected Inclusions, and Generalized Awshits, let's give it until tomorrow.


Given Charles' comment above, I disagree. Maybe 7th inning stretch?

142 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:49pm

re: #124 jamgarr

I'm all atwitter! Bring it on zombie!

Wait, Zombie's posting it on twitter? There can't be that much detail, then. Unless Zombie describes whatever it is over several posts.

143 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:08:51pm

evangelllllllllical even

144 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:09:06pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.

Krauthammer said it out loud on Brit's panel tonight. He also said the women who hate her probably do so in large part because of her decision to have Trig - they realize they would never do such a thing themselves and that it was a virtuous and generous act.

145 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:09:22pm

re: #133 willowone

heck i tell my children, "don't make me pull this car over"!

Oh, yes, the old "Don't make me ______" ploy.

That worked too, for some reason I cannot today fathom.

146 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:09:49pm

re: #106 Irene NYC

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.

I predict it will be a throbbing playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.

147 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:09:54pm

re: #27 Meremortal

Why should THAT matter? Mr. Obama simply outsourced the worked for expediency sake because he is all about doing things efficiently. He made sure he outsourced it to Americans instead of Bush who would have picked someone from Columbia or China! Plus, this freed up time for him to work on very important things like Big Plans To Save the World in 10 Days or Less, and Economics for the Nonsensical. I think he had to go to work or something a few days, too. I am sure he told Mr. Ayers the jist of what he wanted the story to say when they passed each other pulling out of the driveway. For all intensive purposes, that is the same thing as actually writing it yourself.

//

148 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:09:56pm

re: #136 Silhouette

So you're the one in front of the microwave going, "Come on. I don't have all MINUTE!"

YES!
that's me!

You ought to see me in traffic.

149 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:07pm
150 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:21pm

re: #144 arethusa

Krauthammer said it out loud on Brit's panel tonight. He also said the women who hate her probably do so in large part because of her decision to have Trig - they realize they would never do such a thing themselves and that it was a virtuous and generous act.

what a lousy reason to hate somebody...

sheesh...

151 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:32pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

Obama spoke?

what did he say?

Let there be light?

152 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:35pm

re: #145 reine.de.tout

Oh, yes, the old "Don't make me ______" ploy.

That worked too, for some reason I cannot today fathom.


laughing that one and "1....2....3...) thank G-d they didn't make me hit almost 4, i would have been stumped.

153 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:42pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.

Not only that, but such people are supposed to be ugly, ignorant, and unappealing.

154 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:46pm

re: #146 Scion9
You forgot to italicize throbbing.
;)

155 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:48pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

Obama spoke?

what did he say?

"Boy, these Baseball players have PLENTY of wealth to spread!"

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:10:53pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

No, I want it now, now, do you hear me?

Patience not my strong suit.

(I assume you saw Charles' "it's coming soon".)

Meanwhile, zombie's server is getting 500+ Refresh clicks per second.
Smoke rises from the server.
All of us are doomed to frustration until ... AUUUGGGH!

157 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:01pm

re: #106 Irene NYC

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.


+
Ooh, that's a good one too! (rubs hands)

158 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:17pm

re: #123 mama winger

They had Obama reading historical material while introducing the WORLD SERIES

stuff about how the nation had to go on during the Great Depression blah blah blah

I am disGUSTipated

Gawd.

Gee...did he happen to mention how FDR made the Depression worse with his lame economic policies?

159 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:27pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

Obama spoke?

what did he say?

blah blah blah great depression blah blah country must go on blah blah souplines blah

160 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:27pm

re: #133 willowone

heck i tell my children, "don't make me pull this car over"!

As I kid, whenever I'd say, "Are we there yet?" My dad's reply would always be, "Yep. Get out."

("But the car is still moving...")

161 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:36pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

What in the bloody f*ck?

What in the bloody f*ck?

What in the bloody f*ck?

What in the bloody f*ck?

What in the bloody f*ck?

I just don't know what else to say. I'm suffering brainlock right now trying to process Killgore's statement. There are levels of idiocy and irrationality that simply defy analysis.

162 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:11:59pm

re: #158 rightymouse

Gawd.

Gee...did he happen to mention how FDR made the Depression worse with his lame economic policies...?

...that we're still paying for today?

163 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:12:00pm

re: #160 gmsc

heh

164 spidly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:12:14pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

Obama spoke?

what did he say?

"Hineini"

165 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:12:16pm

re: #153 dentate

Not only that, but such people are supposed to be ugly, ignorant, and unappealing.

Yes. a few missing teeth here, a hairlip there ........

166 psyop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:12:22pm

re: #132 JSK1121

Baseball is also the most mathematically perfect sport.


Ah, yes... For those of us crazies who score the game, it's part of what makes it great. It is the only sport in which you can "prove" the score by making sure the score sheet balances when you tally all that needs to be tallied.

167 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:12:51pm

re: #159 mama winger

blah blah blah great depression blah blah country must go on blah blah souplines blah

Isn't it bad enough he's pushed back the start of Game Six? Does he have to introduce Game One, too?

168 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:01pm

re: #152 willowone

laughing that one and "1....2....3...) thank G-d they didn't make me hit almost 4, i would have been stumped.

Ah. The 1, 2, 3, didn't work with young Reine. She would ask what the punishment would be. I would tell her. Then she would decide it was worth it.

I had to stop telling her what the punishment would be, and just go with "I guarantee you will not like it . . .".

169 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:01pm

re: #164 spidly

"Hineini"

Too modest. Not like him.

170 welshgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:04pm

Signs of life in MO.:
[Link: www.newstribune.com...]

These little felon acorn types aren't paid much, makes me think they aren't reliable enough to do any damage. They need constant excitement to keep working anyway. Registering goldfish and dead people is boring.

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:19pm

re: #158 rightymouse

Gee...did he happen to mention how FDR made the Depression worse with his lame economic policies?

Nah, he's got his own ideas to make it worse. After his 4 years, going over to the Roosevelt Memorial and say... "Take that! Sucka!"

172 Luigi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:22pm

re: #107 dentate

It is NOT memory. The surgery involves retraction of the frontal lobes, which may also be damaged when the aneurysm ruptures. It took 7 months before he returned to the Senate, which indicates neurological impairment. Damage to the frontal lobes does not impair memory. Most commonly one would see disinhibition, lack of insight, and poor judgment. Great qualities in a potential VP. Again, Senator, MRI scan, please?

One sees them..

173 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:23pm

re: #160 gmsc

As I kid, whenever I'd say, "Are we there yet?" My dad's reply would always be, "Yep. Get out."

("But the car is still moving...")

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

174 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:35pm

we be dannnnnnnnngerousssssss

and we be destroyyyyyyying Amerrrrrrrrrica

175 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:41pm

re: #167 arethusa

Isn't it bad enough he's pushed back the start of Game Six? Does he have to introduce Game One, too?

Hopefully, someone sweeps it in 4...

176 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:42pm

re: #167 arethusa

waitaminit ... before he throws out the first pitch, shouldn't he be, um, actually elected first?

177 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:43pm

re: #166 psyop

Ah, yes... For those of us crazies who score the game, it's part of what makes it great. It is the only sport in which you can "prove" the score by making sure the score sheet balances when you tally all that needs to be tallied.

Well, that's a fact, but I was also referring to the statistical aspects of the game and the geometric layout of the field.

178 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:46pm

So how is the MSM gonna spin the 0ne's Zero's pre-world series attention whoring?

179 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:13:58pm

re: #164 spidly

ugh, so he's here? cough cough

180 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:00pm

re: #150 Querent

I hope that is not true! I certainly don't feel that way at all! I don't hate her to start with, but I certainly believe I would have done the same thing in her situation. One of the Engineers I work with has a little girl with Downs, she is simply precious and so full of love, I hope its not the majority of women who have the ability to dehumanize so easily.

181 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:00pm

re: #147 ArmyWife

Why should THAT matter? Mr. Obama simply outsourced the worked for expediency sake because he is all about doing things efficiently. He made sure he outsourced it to Americans instead of Bush who would have picked someone from Columbia or China! Plus, this freed up time for him to work on very important things like Big Plans To Save the World in 10 Days or Less, and Economics for the Nonsensical. I think he had to go to work or something a few days, too. I am sure he told Mr. Ayers the jist of what he wanted the story to say when they passed each other pulling out of the driveway. For all intensive purposes, that is the same thing as actually writing it yourself.

//


+
Sounds like you are a pro at this! ;)

182 Purple Prose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:02pm

The Fourth Estate needs checks and balances. The blogosphere cannot do this effectively yet, because the MSM still has too much singular power over what people read and see. The blogosphere is so fragmented that, with a few exceptions here and there (Drudge Report - though not a blog - on Monica's dress, Charles/LGF on The Memo), it has little impact on people at large.

If the Dems want fair play over the airwaves, there should be fair play in the major news-gathering and news-reporting organizations as well. It's an impossible thing, though: can you imagine some unbiased FCC regulatory committee on bias that fines the AP or the NYT for its biased reporting?

The problem is not opinion pieces. WaPo has George Will and Charles Krauthammer as columnists, and CNN has Glenn Beck, but that kind of supposed fair play is window dressing, since everyone reads opinion pieces as opinion and watches Beck on CNN as much as entertainment as anything else.

These are conservatives on the payroll of liberal MSM outlets as token conservatives, but they don't influence news-gathering and news-reporting. They are just pundits, and the MSM believes that by having a few conservative pundits they can claim they are not biased. Meanwhile, their reporting is as biased as ever, and that's what has the propagandistic impact, since it is presented and swallowed by too much of the public as "objective news."

It is the basic, bread-and-butter "objective" reporting that is corrupted in the MSM. The reporting is not reporting but not-so-thinly veiled airing of liberal biases, all to often, whether it is about Israel, Islam or McCain. It's the old "a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth" problem.

My hope is that 4-years of Obama and a Democratic Congress will so discredit the MSM that it will collapse or be forced to change through free-market mechanisms, i.e., declining readership/viewership and so declining ad revenue. Maybe then we'll have some journalists who are actually objective and not just boosters dispatching from the "front lines," writing the articles and reporting the news on TV.

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:11pm

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(I assume you saw Charles' "it's coming soon".)

Meanwhile, zombie's server is getting 500+ Refresh clicks per second.
Smoke rises from the server.
All of us are doomed to frustration until ... AUUUGGGH!

We can probably not refresh Zomblog. Charles will probably put up a thread.

184 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:11pm

re: #107 dentate

It is NOT memory. The surgery involves retraction of the frontal lobes, which may also be damaged when the aneurysm ruptures. It took 7 months before he returned to the Senate, which indicates neurological impairment. Damage to the frontal lobes does not impair memory. Most commonly one would see disinhibition, lack of insight, and poor judgment. Great qualities in a potential VP. Again, Senator, MRI scan, please?

Seriously, I wonder if this is what is behind his numerous gaffes during this campaign?

Stress combined with exhaustion would certainly help that along.

185 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:12pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

Obama spoke?

what did he say?

Ah, ah, ah, er, er, er, um, um, um

186 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:13pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, he's got his own ideas to make it worse. After his 4 years, going over to the Roosevelt Memorial and say... "Take that! Sucka!"

If he takes Biden with him, Biden will tell the FDR statue in a wheelchair to stand up./

187 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:19pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

OMG, I'm sure it will be great.

Thanks so much for this site, Charles!

188 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:22pm

re: #162 arethusa

...that we're still paying for today?

No kidding...

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:31pm

re: #166 psyop

Ah, yes... For those of us crazies who score the game, it's part of what makes it great. It is the only sport in which you can "prove" the score by making sure the score sheet balances when you tally all that needs to be tallied.

I am too A.D.D. to score through an inning. I am always impressed when I see someone score a whole game.

190 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:32pm

re: #143 mama winger

evangelllllllllical even

Oh noes! She might even have a Jesus fish on her car. Run! Run!

191 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:42pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout
I decided if they ever tested me , i would make them count, 4-- 1001

192 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:48pm

re: #161 Tigger2005


I just don't know what else to say. I'm suffering brainlock right now trying to process Killgore's statement. There are levels of idiocy and irrationality that simply defy analysis.

an obama presidency less scary than a Palin vice presidency?
i don't get it and i'm not sure I believe this excuse that people are using.

193 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:14:56pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

Hopefully, someone sweeps it in 4...

NO, no no. We want The One's speech to delay the first pitch. It'll only piss off all the swing-vote Phillies and Rays fans. That arrogant move on his part could backfire in a big way.

194 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:15:04pm

Hey all y'all - drive by (on my way to dinner) post - first of all don't forget to SHARE this story (sorry if it's been mentioned above, don't have the time to read the thread!). I already Dugg it myself.
Secondly, I hadda log in twice to get to this point. Does that "remember me" box work for anyone?!?

195 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:15:17pm

re: #62 Maui Girl

OT
I went into my fav Thai food restaurant and while I was waiting for my order I noticed the newspaper on the table I'm sitting at and lo and behold, Obama is on the front page with his grandmama. It's his Honolulu grad pic with grandmama giving him a big hug around his lei-laden neck. I calmly took my pen and put a couple of horns, a moustache and goatie (sp) on his face. I felt so naughty!

Naughty is good. heh heh.
Maui has some great Thai food. Many many years ago there was a Thai restaurant in Wailuku - it was a dive - but they served the best green papaya salad. memories....
There are some good ones in Kihei.

196 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:15:21pm

re: #176 Querent

waitaminit ... before he throws out the first pitch, shouldn't he be, um, actually elected first?

I think he just talked (from what mama winger says). First pitch hasn't been thrown yet.

Someone (voting McCain) asked me the other day what McCain would do about throwing out the first pitch if elected, since he probably can't physically.

197 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:15:45pm

re: #191 willowone

I decided if they ever tested me , i would make them count, 4-- 1001

Good one!
You know they'd probably be asleep before they hit 1001!

198 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:11pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, he's got his own ideas to make it worse. After his 4 years, going over to the Roosevelt Memorial and say... "Take that! Sucka!"

Obama definitely wants to be a bigger, badder socialist than Roosevelt could ever manage to achieve.

199 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:18pm

re: #196 arethusa

I think he just talked (from what mama winger says). First pitch hasn't been thrown yet.

Someone (voting McCain) asked me the other day what McCain would do about throwing out the first pitch if elected, since he probably can't physically.

Have Palin do it, she's the only reason it's close at this point anyway.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:25pm

re: #160 gmsc

As I kid, whenever I'd say, "Are we there yet?" My dad's reply would always be, "Yep. Get out."

("But the car is still moving...")

My kids would ask, "Are we there yet?" And I would say, "If by there, you mean annoyed? Then, yes. We are annoyed."

201 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:36pm

if McCain would only bring up 0bama's bad points
they might pay attention

you know, the power of suggestion

like the media has done to Bush for 8 years
and it has set in
everyone hates or disrepects him

time for McCain to call 0bama on Wright
ask him where he was born even
hell, ask him if he remembers any of the muslim teachings from elementary school

in other words, take the gloves off
and with the media too

202 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:49pm

re: #196 arethusa

I think he just talked (from what mama winger says). First pitch hasn't been thrown yet.

Someone (voting McCain) asked me the other day what McCain would do about throwing out the first pitch if elected, since he probably can't physically.

Have Palin throw it...

203 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:49pm

re: #194 realwest

Hey all y'all - drive by (on my way to dinner) post - first of all don't forget to SHARE this story (sorry if it's been mentioned above, don't have the time to read the thread!). I already Dugg it myself.
Secondly, I hadda log in twice to get to this point. Does that "remember me" box work for anyone?!?

I clicked that "remember me" box once. All I got was this.
;)

204 mahatma coat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:16:54pm

was just reading an article on the skynews website about video released of John McCain as a P.O.W.(the video is on the site )anyway ,it includes this bizarre sentence ..."The video portrays the Republican as a hero but the message may be tarnished as he is filmed smoking a cigarette."
What planet do these people live on?

205 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:17:07pm

re: #184 Intrepid

Seriously, I wonder if this is what is behind his numerous gaffes during this campaign?

Stress combined with exhaustion would certainly help that along.

I am quite serious about this and I am astounded that no attention has been paid to it. People with bilateral prefrontal damage can appear very functional and in fact, lead pretty normal lives. It can be tough to bring out the neurological deficits (unlike budget deficits) but a neuropsychological test would show it. And the behavior he has displayed through much of this campaign--and his career--are consistent with it. Someone like this could be a fine legislator, but maybe not such a good executive...

206 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:17:13pm

re: #144 arethusa

I would want Palin to be president on the strength of her carring Trig to term alone.

207 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:17:14pm

re: #180 ArmyWife

there's a lot to be said there, but this is not the place to pour kerosene on that particular fire.

but if that's their rationale for going frothing mad at the idea of her being Veep, i have to say it's a pretty lousy rationale.

208 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:17:47pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.


Didn't she say, "I felt God's spirit beckoning me. So ultimately, I submitted myself to his will, dedicated myself to discovering his truths?"

And also said "I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that I am an instrument of God's will.

I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think He calls on me to do.

And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted."

No, those are Obama's words, so I guess the Christian-a-phobes must vote for McCain.

209 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:17:52pm

re: #195 FrogMarch

Naughty is good. heh heh.
Maui has some great Thai food. Many many years ago there was a Thai restaurant in Wailuku - it was a dive - but they served the best green papaya salad. memories....
There are some good ones in Kihei.


The best Thai food is made at my house, thank u very much. :)

210 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:01pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

Just saw some bullshit on the front page of Yahoo:

Is Sarah Palin a Liability?

Its not even a real news worthy story, just reporting on some dumb on line poll

211 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:08pm

re: #196 arethusa

Drop the first puck. ;-)

/puckhead

212 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:18pm

re: #204 mahatma coat

was just reading an article on the skynews website about video released of John McCain as a P.O.W.(the video is on the site )anyway ,it includes this bizarre sentence ..."The video portrays the Republican as a hero but the message may be tarnished as he is filmed smoking a cigarette."
What planet do these people live on?

This one ?

213 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:20pm

re: #161 Tigger2005

If you don't understand you can ask questions.

214 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:30pm

re: #4 noshariaincanada

what media biasbipolar asses?

Fixed it.

215 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:35pm

re: #206 Ojoe

I would want Palin to be president on the strength of her carring Trig to term alone.

It's one of my three favorite things about her. The other two are that she's always in a good mood, and that she annoys all the people who annoy me.

216 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:36pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.

No, people no longer support people who do not agree with them. . .and have a g-d of any kind, and who face things rather than wormhole them. . .

Sarah Palin got me to look at McCain, and I like him- and I like the freedom to believe as I will. . .the Left is not supportive of that non agenda belief. . .

217 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:41pm

re: #153 dentate

Which I also find interesting and have commented about more than I should. Though not a scientific study, but personal observation says to me republican/conservative women are generally much more attractive than their lib counter parts. Exceptions exist, of course, but I see conservative women well groomed with styled hair, well dressed and not afraid to don something feminine, make up applied, legs and armpits shaved and appropriate undergarments worn. The other side appears full of unshaven, unkempt hair all over the place, no bra (when the REALLY REALLY ought to have an industrial strength one in place), no make up and masculine outfits or frumpy something or others with birkenstocks no matter what the occasion.

218 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:44pm

re: #134 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Get used to delayed gratification. The discipline will be good for you.

/CHARRRRLLESSSS ,,, give us a HINT!

The last Zombomb didn't take this long. It's gotta be good.

/I'm almost down to chewing my fingers

219 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:50pm

re: #40 J.S.

Even television people -- like Glenn Beck...makes one wonder if Beck got the axe because he was just too outspoken, too truthful for the Leftists to tolerate...The Left just can't tolerate any criticism of The Zero 2 weeks prior to the election...

Glenn Beck got the axe? When did that happen?

220 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #207 Querent

Their rationale for going frothing mad is that she has an "R" in her party name... everything else is just the self justification of fanatics.

221 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:03pm

Enough foreplay Charles, lets just cut to the chase!

222 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:19pm

re: #196 arethusa

well, wouldn't that be where his Veep could step in?

i bet she's got a good fastball

223 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:21pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

That's also why we don't see any journalism critical of Obama or his policies.

But you're going to vote for him or just sit things out altogether?

224 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:26pm

re: #193 JSK1121

Weren't some people bitching and moaning about how the Flyers management let Sarah-cuda drop the ceremonial puck at a Rangers/Flyers game this month? All I heard was 'blah blah blah politics shouldn't be dragged into sport blah blah blah not fair to the fans or the players blah blah blah'

Wonder if they'll be saying the same thing vis-a-vis the 0ne's Zero's pre-game speech?

225 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

YES!
that's me!

You ought to see me in traffic.

Me too!

226 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:49pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It ... has ... to ... do .... with .... *death rattle*

Here's hoping this rattles'.

227 iceman1960  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:52pm

This is truly a nightmare in the making and the American people need to wake up. The media is acting as a propaganda machine for Barry and they do the work of persecuting and digging up dirt on any of his adversaries.
If Obama gets elected POTUS and we have Pelosi and Reid with a majority in congress they'll start appointing liberal judges who make up laws from the bench and the trifecta will be complete.
Before you know it the voices of decent will be silenced with the fairness doctrine and accusations of racism against anyone who questions Barrys policies.
It will be almost impossible to stop the damage these clowns will do to this great country.

228 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:19:57pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

If you don't understand you can ask questions.

I asked a question, but you did not answer.

229 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:10pm
230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:12pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

We can probably not refresh Zomblog. Charles will probably put up a thread.

Yeah, ... and I'm a lot more casual about it than my (-: posts make out.

231 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:14pm

re: #223 rightymouse

I'm going to sit out. I simply couldn't vote for Obama.

232 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:15pm

re: #120 CapeCoddah

O'Reilly all over CNN reporter who skewed the article on Palin from the National Review. We had an earlier thread about this.

Y'know, I watched that entire interview, and overall, it was pretty good except for that cherry-picking bit of crap (I wonder if Palin has been briefed on the facts yet). The interviewer treated Palin respectfully and Palin presented herself very well, making lots of great points and answering the questions on HER terms. For example, when he asked her, "Wasn't the bailout a form of socialism?" she did not answer the question immediately, but hammered on how we could not afford to go down the socialist path, but then said, "Now, going back to the bailout, we were dealing with a crisis..." or something like that ... emphasizing that the bailout was an emergency fix, not a manifestation of a basic economic philosophy of socialism. And she got the reporter to make a candid admission ... if she had made the statement Biden had made about Obama being "tested," "you guys would have hammered me," to which he responded, "You're right! You're right."

233 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:30pm

re: #40 J.S.

Even television people -- like Glenn Beck...makes one wonder if Beck got the axe because he was just too outspoken, too truthful for the Leftists to tolerate...The Left just can't tolerate any criticism of The Zero 2 weeks prior to the election...

They can't tolerate the criticism and I know that Beck will land on his feet just fine.

234 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:40pm

re: #219 Hobbes

Glenn Beck got the axe? When did that happen?

He's going to FOX soon.

235 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:40pm

re: #181 Meremortal

I work with a labor union all day and my MIL is a Dem politician from Vermont. I am fluent in moonbat.

236 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:41pm

re: #209 rightymouse

The best Thai food is made at my house, thank u very much. :)


When's dinner?

237 cblesz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:20:42pm

OH Boy...it is killing me...tell me what Zombie has to say

238 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #208 Silhouette

0bama might talk the talk but Palin walks the walk.

Palin carries Trig to term.

0bama says "punished with a baby"

Who would protect the innocent, should they have power?

239 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:05pm

re: #206 Ojoe

many women do the same, It's that she stands by what she believes and still is strong, smart enough to fight off the beasts of the world.

That is why i really admire her.

240 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:06pm

re: #228 mama winger

Sorry, I only saw accusations of bigotry so I scrolled over. If there was a question I missed it.

241 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:19pm

re: #235 ArmyWife

I work with a labor union all day and my MIL is a Dem politician from Vermont. I am fluent in moonbat.

:)

242 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:33pm

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.


Media coverage can easily explain that one away: The Messiah went back in time by flying around the earth real fast and wrote his memoirs before Ayers did, and Mr Ayers is guilty of plagiarism

243 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:46pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a conservative Pro-life Christian.

I'm saying it out loud.

/it's certainly not a contest between a sitting State Governor and some socialist thats spent 143 days in the Senate in the last four years

244 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:21:54pm

re: #43 psyop

Also, on a related note, in my daily Seattle Times, no fewer than THREE articles on how socialism is already a part of our American Experience and we should, therefore, not fear MORE socialism.

Yeah, right!
(Sarcasm)

245 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:22:17pm

Great quotes in an article by Kyle-Anne Shiver over at Amer. Thinker:
"As for me and my Catholic vote, I would sooner cast it for Satan himself than Barack Obama.

"There isn't much evidence that any Obama deed has ever actually helped a single poor person, but there is a whole heap of evidence that he is a whole-hearted, unreserved champion of the Culture of Death. The abortion genocide has already claimed the lives of 48,000,000 innocent human beings.

"If that's not enough to sway the votes of Catholics, perhaps they need to consider a different faith altogether."

246 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:22:43pm

re: #182 Purple Prose

The Fourth Estate needs checks and balances. The blogosphere cannot do this effectively yet, because the MSM still has too much singular power over what people read and see. The blogosphere is so fragmented that, with a few exceptions here and there (Drudge Report - though not a blog - on Monica's dress, Charles/LGF on The Memo), it has little impact on people at large.

If the Dems want fair play over the airwaves, there should be fair play in the major news-gathering and news-reporting organizations as well. It's an impossible thing, though: can you imagine some unbiased FCC regulatory committee on bias that fines the AP or the NYT for its biased reporting?

The problem is not opinion pieces. WaPo has George Will and Charles Krauthammer as columnists, and CNN has Glenn Beck, but that kind of supposed fair play is window dressing, since everyone reads opinion pieces as opinion and watches Beck on CNN as much as entertainment as anything else.

These are conservatives on the payroll of liberal MSM outlets as token conservatives, but they don't influence news-gathering and news-reporting. They are just pundits, and the MSM believes that by having a few conservative pundits they can claim they are not biased. Meanwhile, their reporting is as biased as ever, and that's what has the propagandistic impact, since it is presented and swallowed by too much of the public as "objective news."

It is the basic, bread-and-butter "objective" reporting that is corrupted in the MSM. The reporting is not reporting but not-so-thinly veiled airing of liberal biases, all to often, whether it is about Israel, Islam or McCain. It's the old "a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth" problem.

My hope is that 4-years of Obama and a Democratic Congress will so discredit the MSM that it will collapse or be forced to change through free-market mechanisms, i.e., declining readership/viewership and so declining ad revenue. Maybe then we'll have some journalists who are actually objective and not just boosters dispatching from the "front lines," writing the articles and reporting the news on TV.


yes yes yes. i tried to make this same point a week or two ago. The Fourth Estate is not functioning like it used to, it doesn't have adequate checks and balances anymore, and as a result its having a dramatic effect on the election process.

I don't know the answer, but I agree with you that this change is causing the MSM to implode on itself. It is shrinking rapidly and as it does it grows increasingly dysfunctional. At some point, a major shake-up will happen and I expect a big housecleaning and realignment.

247 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:22:49pm

I can only imagine the blowout that would occur if McCain had received a fair shake in the media.

It would be 70-30% McCain right now.

248 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:22:55pm

Charles, what does "soon" mean. An hour, a day...?

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:22:56pm

The Ten Halloween Goodies NOT TO GIVE AWAY!

Some of these I used to hate getting. Some I never got.

Charlie Brown? He got a rock.

Toothbrushes (?)
Raisins
Candy Corn
Smarties and Necco Wafers
Dum Dum Lollipops
Apples
Tootsie Rolls
Miscellaneous, Wrapped Hard Candies
Laffy Taffy
Anything Fun-Sized

From Yahoo. Read this instead of that hit piece on Sarah.

250 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:06pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I'm going to sit out. I simply couldn't vote for Obama.

Why not vote against him? That's what I'm doing.

251 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:34pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I only saw accusations of bigotry so I scrolled over. If there was a question I missed it.

I never said anything bigoted. You said you were not voting in part because of Palin.

So I asked if you would vote for me if I were on the ticket, because I am a clone of Sarah Palin. Other than that whole 'gorgeous' thing.

252 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:39pm

re: #235 ArmyWife

I work with a labor union all day and my MIL is a Dem politician from Vermont. I am fluent in moonbat.


+
Whoa...tough company, bless you and yours.

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:46pm

re: #218 x-wing

The last Zombomb didn't take this long. It's gotta be good.

/I'm almost down to chewing my fingers

Seriously this time ... patience.

It is 30 minutes before dawn. Your squadron has just taken up position in the Fulda Gap.

254 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:49pm
255 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:53pm

re: #229 odinga

Hard Hitting ad by NRA

Good ad. It will play well in my dear home, Virginia.

256 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:23:59pm

OK, let's speculate:

1) Barack's original Iranian birth certificate.

2) A compromising picture of Barack and Bill Clinton

257 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:04pm

re: #238 Ojoe

Excellent point. +1

258 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:09pm

re: #250 FrogMarch

Why not vote against him? That's what I'm doing.

Because . . . ummm

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:13pm

re: #219 Hobbes

Glenn Beck got the axe? When did that happen?

He got a better gig. Don't worry for Glen.

260 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:14pm

re: #174 mama winger

Isolate. Ridicule. Marginalize. Demonize.
The Alinsky method works!

261 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:22pm

What has Really Disturbed me about Dems and Palin is this: I would think she is the dream of ALL women as myself. She can have a family or not. She can succeed or Not, She can choose her Job. She has everything we desired and is successful at it. Yet they hate her.

262 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:33pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I'm going to sit out. I simply couldn't vote for Obama.


+
Cynthia McKinney is running...

263 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:41pm

re: #245 The Archivist

Amen.

264 mahatma coat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:24:56pm

re: #212 mama winger

I'd forgotten about that.....guess I've been hypnotized by his inate purity.

265 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:25:06pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tootsie Rolls

I categorically refuse to give out that stuff. I swear it's plastic. And it tastes like it.

266 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:25:26pm

re: #261 willowone
because she doesn't share the same ideology.
bingo.

267 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:25:43pm

re: #256 jamgarr

OK, let's speculate:

1) Barack's original Iranian birth certificate.

2) A compromising picture of Barack and Bill Clinton

It's can't be #1. According to Berg (consider the source), 0bama's already admitted to being born in Kenya.

268 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:25:45pm

Zombie Zombie Zombie

269 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:25:58pm

re: #265 Fat Jolly Penguin

I categorically refuse to give out that stuff. I swear it's plastic. And it tastes like it.

Oooooo ! I LOVE Tootsie Rolls! Only the little ones tho - the big ones look like turds.

270 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:18pm

re: #242 joekowalski247

Media coverage can easily explain that one away: The Messiah went back in time by flying around the earth real fast and wrote his memoirs before Ayers did, and Mr Ayers is guilty of plagiarism


+
Buzzkiller. ;}

271 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:23pm

re: #266 Querent
Shame on them .

272 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:23pm

re: #243 Killian Bundy

/it's certainly not a contest between a sitting State Governor and some socialist thats spent 143 days in the Senate in the last four years

You're too nuanced for me--why are you sitting out the election? Just curious.

273 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:24pm

re: #261 willowone

What has Really Disturbed me about Dems and Palin is this: I would think she is the dream of ALL women as myself. She can have a family or not. She can succeed or Not, She can choose her Job. She has everything we desired and is successful at it. Yet they hate her.

That's why I like her. She proves the success of the women's movement. But since she doesn't look or talk like Gloria Steinem, forget about it.

274 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:31pm

re: #261 willowone

She's on the wrong side of the fence, she's stealing Hildabeast's glory.

275 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:32pm

Extended Lighter into the air. . .

Zombie Zombie. . .

Crowd getting restless. . .

276 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:35pm

re: #269 mama winger

Oooooo ! I LOVE Tootsie Rolls! Only the little ones tho - the big ones look like turds.

how many lizards just threw up a little after reading that?

277 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:48pm

The MSM loves to analyze how McCain's numbers started their downfall
when he started a negative campaign. How about the negative reporting.
Might that just have something to do with it?!

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:50pm

re: #269 mama winger

Oooooo ! I LOVE Tootsie Rolls! Only the little ones tho - the big ones look like turds.

(puts the tootsie roll back into the drawer. closes the drawer. picks up a Baby Ruth Bar).

279 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:53pm

3) His trip to Hawaii is a last-ditch effort to get grandma not to endorse McCain

280 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #268 DisturbedEma

Zombie Zombie Zombie

heh-heh
I feel the same way.

ZOMBLOG REPORT - nothing new as of right now.

281 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:07pm

re: #255 Pullus Iulius

Obama's goons sent cease and desist letters over the NRA adds before they even aired.

Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads

282 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:09pm

re: #272 twincitiesgirl

I thought Killgore was sitting it out, not Killian.

I'm so confused...

283 mahatma coat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:13pm

whoops ...innate(pimf)

284 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:22pm

re: #276 Querent

:)

285 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:31pm

re: #113 x-wing

Throw us a bone, man.

?

286 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:32pm

re: #276 Querent

how many lizards just threw up a little after reading that?

MeeEEEEEEEEEEEEE! retch

287 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:32pm

re: #85 Charles

New Zombie report soon. This one's a biggie. New revelations.

"It" better hurry up. . .its the 11th hour and there isn't much time left for "October Surpises".

288 Querent  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:48pm

re: #273 arethusa

That's why I like her. She proves the success of the women's movement. But since she doesn't look or talk like Gloria Steinem, forget about it.

i'm not the only one who resents the notion that my plumbing ought to determine my politics, i see...

289 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:48pm

re: #261 willowone

What has Really Disturbed me about Dems and Palin is this: I would think she is the dream of ALL women as myself. She can have a family or not. She can succeed or Not, She can choose her Job. She has everything we desired and is successful at it. Yet they hate her.


she can bring home the bacon..fry it up in a pan....yeah!

290 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:27:49pm

re: #279 jamgarr

3) His trip to Hawaii is a last-ditch effort to get grandma not to endorse McCain

Bwahahahahaha!

291 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:00pm

re: #282 J.D.

I thought Killgore was sitting it out, not Killian.

I'm so confused...


No, I think Killian was a supporter of Palin even before McCain picked her.
I think.
I could be completely wrong.

292 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:03pm

re: #256 jamgarr

OK, let's speculate:

1) Barack's original Iranian birth certificate.

2) A compromising picture of Barack and Bill Clinton

I'd pay good money for #2.

293 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:14pm

re: #282 J.D.

I thought Killgore was sitting it out, not Killian.

I'm so confused...

wowzers I'd better apologize, quickly

294 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:17pm

Anecdotal Lawn Sign Check.

I drove the dog to the vet this evening for her teeth to be cleaned in the morning.

We did an area recon of the town the vet is in... about 10 miles from the little town I live in.

Results: 14 McCain signs, 2 Obama signs, and 3 "maybes"... the maybes are homes that had several (in each case) signs for various other Republican candidates, but no McCain sign.

FWIW, both houses with the Obama signs looked straight out of The Munsters.

295 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:18pm

re: #238 Ojoe

I was addressing those that don't like Palin because she is Christian. Because the media has painted her as a religious nutcase.

For example, it wouldn't be unusual for a Christian to pray things like, "Lead, guide, and direct us." Yet the media would spin that around and say "Palin wants her very actions controlled by God!" and LLL pundits tisk-tisk on how crazy she is and how arrogant to think God talks to her.

Had she said what Obama said, the headlines the next day would have been "Palin wants to be 'An instrument of God's Will.' " with the accompanying quotes from "critics" who are "concerned" about too much religion in politicians.

And they would go nuts if she said "I felt God's spirit beckoning me." She thinks God talks to her! OMG, she's just like the Taliban. We're gonna die! We gonna die!

296 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:37pm

re: #276 Querent

how many lizards just threw up a little after reading that?

*raises hand*

297 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:49pm

re: #279 jamgarr

3) His trip to Hawaii is a last-ditch effort to get grandma not to endorse McCain

4) He's not having an affair with another woman. However, he is having an affair.

298 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:28:52pm

re: #293 twincitiesgirl

wowzers I'd better apologize, quickly

No problem, I'm sure...honest mistake.

299 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:29:03pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I'm going to sit out. I simply couldn't vote for Obama.

We need your vote - I can't imagine why Palin turns you off so much and so what if Powell etc. don't care for McCain/Palin? You have your own mind. Also, there have to be local issues on the ballot where you live.

Stick a clothespin on your nose if you have to.

Something about what you've said makes me think there's more going on with your thought process than you're letting on here, but it could just be me.

300 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:29:26pm

Hillary is STILL on "the vast right-wing conspiracy," this time in reference to Al Franken.

I don't like Al Franken. No conservative I know does. How is that a conspiracy?

301 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:29:31pm

re: #205 dentate

And yet, MSM doesn't report on something that is a known fact about Joe Biden (his aneurism, and subsequent surgery), but has as a major story the speculation that John McCain's skin cancer could possibly return one day.

302 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:29:39pm

re: #281 logboy

Obama's goons sent cease and desist letters over the NRA adds before they even aired.

Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads

If 0 thinks it can frighten the NRA, it's smoking rope.

303 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:29:43pm

4) Colin P. only gave up the endorsement after Barack blackmailed him.

304 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:00pm

re: #236 FrogMarch

When's dinner?

What would you like to eat? Reine has a couple of my recipes for the cookbook. I didn't do a curry one, though, dang it.

305 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:05pm

re: #297 gmsc

4) He's not having an affair with another woman. However, he is having an affair.


I'm not sure its considered an affair if its with yourself.

306 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:06pm

re: #253 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Seriously this time ... patience.

It is 30 minutes before dawn. Your squadron has just taken up position in the Fulda Gap.

Battalion, but okay.. mellow,mellow.

/

307 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:09pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

Just saw some bullshit on the front page of Yahoo:

Is Sarah Palin a Liability?

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

WTF?

With reasoning like this I think it is best that you stay away for Polling Places! and sharp objects. On second thought, go play in the street.

308 Infidel_One  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I actually got a rock one year
The same year I got a razor blade in a Hershey Chocolate Bar
I was 10

Small town here..kids will be getting
Can of root beer, small bag of Doritos, and microwave popcorn
Average 15 kids every year

309 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Vote against Obama.

310 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:29pm

re: #252 Meremortal

Tomorrow I have a meeting with the President of the AFL-CIO. I really hope I come back from that and the last words I hear aren't "Jimmy Hoffa (Sr) is right there (PUSH SPLASH)!"

If I didn't fear the employment and/or safety repercussions I would so love to blog what really goes on behind the scenes in Company/Labor relations from the top to the dues paying member on the floor.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:30pm

re: #300 arethusa

Speaking of throwing up in your mouth a little....

312 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:34pm

re: #305 logboy

I'm not sure its considered an affair if its with yourself.

Where did I say he was having an affair with himself?

313 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:46pm

re: #282 J.D.

I thought Killgore was sitting it out, not Killian.

I'm so confused...

Wait until Killer Tomato gets here. Then we're all confused.

314 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:30:47pm

re: #251 mama winger

No I wouldn't vote for. You're very unqualified (unless you've been holding out on us). I don't say this to be mean but nobody else would vote for you either. You can try running next time if you don't believe me.

315 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:05pm

I just saw an ad with Obama telling me it's time to turn off the T.V.............So I did.[I'll turn it make on in time for the first pitch.]

316 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:08pm

re: #272 twincitiesgirl

You're too nuanced for me--why are you sitting out the election? Just curious.

Sorry Killian, my mistake, it won't happen again.

317 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:15pm

re: #297 gmsc

4) He's not having an affair with another woman. However, he is having an affair.

My husband has been saying that since the first time he saw Obama . . . and since he saw Michelle, he thinks it's a sure bet!

/hubby can't stand nancy-boys like The One

318 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:17pm

re: #304 rightymouse

What would you like to eat? Reine has a couple of my recipes for the cookbook. I didn't do a curry one, though, dang it.

Cookbook update here, if anyone is interested.

We hope to have it finished by end of Oct, first part of November.

319 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:18pm

re: #192 alien_mind

an obama presidency less scary than a Palin vice presidency?
i don't get it and i'm not sure I believe this excuse that people are using.

Frankly, although I hate to say it because of the way "racism" is so casually flung around these days, I wonder if sexism is not at work here.

320 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:20pm

5) His senior thesis was entitled: Socialism - It's My Bag, man.

321 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:29pm

re: #315 n in wi

I just saw an ad with Obama telling me it's time to turn off the T.V.............So I did.[I'll turn it make on in time for the first pitch.]

Miss my WISCONSIN peeps!

322 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:37pm
323 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:37pm

Oh boy, Michelle Bachman is on O'Reilly. She means well, a tried and true conservative, but she's a loose GOP cannon and partially owns the Powell endorsement.

/I wouldn't mind if she loses, she brought it on herself, and yes, she's one of those embarrassing "walk with dinosaurs" Christians

324 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:44pm

re: #312 gmsc

Where did I say he was having an affair with himself?


I'm speculating. And stalling doing homework.

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:31:44pm

re: #306 x-wing

Battalion, but okay.. mellow,mellow.

/

Heh! I had a hunch that'd register, even in this day.

326 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:02pm

re: #315 n in wi

I just saw an ad with Obama telling me it's time to turn off the T.V.............So I did.[I'll turn it make on in time for the first pitch.]

Which is very, very close...they're announcing line-ups in the booth.

327 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:05pm

re: #310 ArmyWife

Tomorrow I have a meeting with the President of the AFL-CIO


Wow.

tomorrow I hunt thru dog poop looking for worms

328 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:20pm

OT: Any lizards want a souvenir from GTMO?

329 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:28pm

re: #306 x-wing

Battalion, but okay.. mellow,mellow.

/

Could be a squadron, if he's in a Cav outfit.

330 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:28pm

re: #219 Hobbes

Glenn Beck got the axe? When did that happen?

I don't think he got the boot - I think Fox courted him and lured him away from the Commie News Network.

Glenn should feel more at home at Fox.

331 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:43pm

re: #300 arethusa

Hillary is STILL on "the vast right-wing conspiracy," this time in reference to Al Franken.

I don't like Al Franken. No conservative I know does. How is that a conspiracy?

How did the "vast right-wing conspiracy" make Al Franken into an asshole?

332 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:46pm

re: #256 jamgarr

OK, let's speculate:

1) Barack's original Iranian birth certificate.

2) A compromising picture of Barack and Bill Clinton

3) A candid youtube video of Barack taking off the mask that hides his true Alien form

333 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:53pm

re: #303 jamgarr

4) Colin P. only gave up the endorsement after Barack blackmailed him.

Thats socialized-mailed him.

334 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:32:58pm

re: #261 willowone

What has Really Disturbed me about Dems and Palin is this: I would think she is the dream of ALL women as myself. She can have a family or not. She can succeed or Not, She can choose her Job. She has everything we desired and is successful at it. Yet they hate her.

Without counting misogynous hypocrites Palin faces two other kinds of very real prejudice: "R" is for Republican and shes not an insider in (take your pick) "prestigious school" (choose any, which is actually an insult to all the "not famously known/not ancient/less expensive/non-blueblood" schools) /Washington D.C./Echo chambers of the left etc... pick social circle of choice...
oh yah and she's a Republican ya know who doesn't talk like them *educated/correct thinkin'* folk in the media...

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:15pm

re: #328 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any lizards want a souvenir from GTMO?

Bring me the heads of a couple terrorists, if ya don't mind.

336 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:48pm

re: #328 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any lizards want a souvenir from GTMO?

If 0 wins, we'll all have one soon enough.

337 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:50pm

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

True Story -

When I was a teenager, a group of friends and I had big plans to go out and cruise around town causing mayhem (not real mayhem, but teen stuff). One of our group was a life guard and had to work - he couldn't get any coverage, sooo he threw a baby ruth in the pool and waited for a scream. Of course if there is any possibility of ummm...excrement in a public pool, they have to kick everyone out and close it down for a big chemical shock.

I am guessing he saw this in a movie or something to get the idea - but it worked like a charm!

338 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:51pm

re: #331 Alouette

How did the "vast right-wing conspiracy" make Al Franken into an asshole?

The conspiracy is apparently to keep assholes from being elected.

I'm all for that.

339 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:51pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

No I wouldn't vote for. You're very unqualified (unless you've been holding out on us). I don't say this to be mean but nobody else would vote for you either. You can try running next time if you don't believe me.

So is your argument against Palin also that she is unqualified? What if I were in her place as Governor? What then?

What I am trying to say is this: What is your concern over Palin? Her experience? Her positions? What?

340 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:53pm

re: #219 Hobbes

The date of his last program was Oct. 16 -- here's a transcript of his final program...Beck expressed his fear that if Obama is elected, it will translate into a filibuster-proof Congress -- with Nancy Pelosi the de facto Prime Minister. Beck also dispelled the notion that Obama intends to make the U.S. energy independent or that Obama intends to allowing drilling off-shore -- Obama would never allow off-shore drilling...etc.

Oh, Glenn Beck doesn't say he was fired -- he just says he has accepted an offer with Fox News to do a tv gig at Fox, beginning in the Spring of 2009...and then, he was yanked off the air...(I suspect the parting was not a "happy" parting...I believe -- I suspect -- that Beck was pushed off the air...and it may have been due to Beck's refusal to soft pedal what an Obama Presidency would look like. And, I find it especially odd that Beck being silenced would occur 2 weeks prior to the election...sounds to me like it was coercive...not voluntary...but that's speculation on my part, and I could be wrong...as in, "yeah, Beck suddenly up and quits CNN 2 weeks before Nov. 4" -- that I don't buy.)

341 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:55pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Ten Halloween Goodies NOT TO GIVE AWAY!

Huh? Some of those are good.

Toothbrushes (?) - Genuinely mean thing to do to a kid on Halloween.
Raisins - Always hated them, still do.
Candy Corn - I like these.
Smarties and Necco Wafers - Hated the Necco's, still like the Smarties.
Dum Dum Lollipops - Always struck me as the bargain Tootsie-Pop.
Apples - Always thrown out. The razor blade scare is one of the oldest. And quit trying to make me eat healthy, dammit!
Tootsie Rolls - I loved those as a kid, especially when they started coming in multiple flavors.
Miscellaneous, Wrapped Hard Candies - Jolly Rancher's were the best. My mouth is watering at the thought.
Laffy Taffy - Isn't taffy supposed to be soft and pliable?
Anything Fun-Sized - Never bothered me. Probably saved a few days of tummy aches.

342 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:33:55pm

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bring me the heads of a couple terrorists, if ya don't mind.


Umm, what does one get as such from such a place. . .

343 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:34:14pm

re: #330 Intrepid

I don't think he got the boot - I think Fox courted him and lured him away from the Commie News Network.

Glenn should feel more at home at Fox.

Thanks.

344 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:34:17pm

She doesn't have to win, although facing this charleton and consequences i hope with all my Heart she does. i think my girls will understand this , and strive to be their best and strongest potential.
I hope even if Obamas suppoters being in same position, see it the same way, and stop with the threats.

345 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:34:21pm

re: #304 rightymouse

What would you like to eat? Reine has a couple of my recipes for the cookbook. I didn't do a curry one, though, dang it.

Green papaya salad.

/*tucks napkin in shirt*

346 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:34:54pm

Darn it I was going cold turkey on the Computer tonight to watch my Phillies, now I just have to stay and see what this is all about on here.

Go Phils !

347 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:03pm

re: #342 DisturbedEma

Umm, what does one get as such from such a place. . .

Last time I bought my wife a T-Shirt that read "Banana Rat, the other white meat".

348 Little Doxie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:04pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Ten Halloween Goodies NOT TO GIVE AWAY!

Some of these I used to hate getting. Some I never got.

Charlie Brown? He got a rock.

Toothbrushes (?)
Raisins
Candy Corn
Smarties and Necco Wafers
Dum Dum Lollipops
Apples
Tootsie Rolls
Miscellaneous, Wrapped Hard Candies
Laffy Taffy
Anything Fun-Sized

From Yahoo. Read this instead of that hit piece on Sarah.

I love the Tootsie Rolls, I steal those out of my son's bag. Dum Dums
I can do without.

349 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:07pm

re: #320 jamgarr

very ding-worthy there!

350 eon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:29pm

re: #184 Intrepid

Seriously, I wonder if this is what is behind his numerous gaffes during this campaign?

Stress combined with exhaustion would certainly help that along.

I've seen little evidence of any difference. Throughout his career, Biden has been a dogmatic, confrontational, arrogant, belligerent loudmouth with a tendency to say stupid things and then claim either (A) he never said them or (B) he's right and everyone else is just too stupid to understand how smart he is. This has been going on with him for thirty-plus years.

A comparison of his behavior during the "Brady Law/Assault Weapon Ban" debate in 1993 (when he famously decried any compromise by banging his fist on the podium ala' Khrushchev and yelling "This is religious dogma!" on the Senate floor), and his recent statements (like the one about the upcoming "crisis" in which he demands that everyone support Obama, even when it appears that he's doing the wrong thing), show no discernible difference in behavior, judgment, or ideation.

In short, Joe Biden was born a loud-mouthed idiot, he is a loud-mouthed idiot now, and he will always be a loud-mouthed idiot. Brain surgery, or lack of it, notwithstanding.

/BTW, trained in Applied and Abnormal Psych, so I don't think I'm talking through my hat

cheers

eon

351 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:30pm

re: #327 mama winger

I'll trade.

352 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:30pm
353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:34pm

re: #342 DisturbedEma

Umm, what does one get as such from such a place. . .

Re-phrase?

354 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:35pm

re: #310 ArmyWife
+
I've had dealings with those people, so I understand completely. One memorable quote from my early musician days: "I'd hate to see you end up in a snowbank with your fingers broken."

Dang, time to head for rehearsal. Back later for the Zomb-Bomb...

355 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:43pm

I try to give away tootsie rolls every year, but for some reason, the bowl is empty by the 31st.

/i didna see nuthin

356 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:46pm

re: #347 Jetpilot1101

Last time I bought my wife a T-Shirt that read "Banana Rat, the other white meat".

Ohhh, that sounds GOOD!

357 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:52pm

re: #310 ArmyWife

Tomorrow I have a meeting with the President of the AFL-CIO.

John Sweeney? Ick.

Dad went to Iona College with him . . . regales us regularly with how much he hated him with a passion even back then.

358 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:35:54pm

My guess on the Zombie announcement?

i) Something to do with his stint at Columbia University and/or Harvard. More than likely some radical writing by El Zero.

ii) Obama's drug dealer.

/The last one would be great!

359 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:05pm

re: #315 n in wi

I just saw an ad with Obama telling me it's time to turn off the T.V.............So I did.

Heh.

360 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:14pm

re: #317 Florida Lady

My husband has been saying that since the first time he saw Obama . . . and since he saw Michelle, he thinks it's a sure bet!

/hubby can't stand nancy-boys like The One

If it is an affair, it won't matter to his supporters.{remember Bill Clinton?]

361 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:20pm

re: #348 Little Doxie

I love the Tootsie Rolls, I steal those out of my son's bag. Dum Dums
I can do without.

My offspring are trained to hand over the tootsie rolls from any treat bag.

362 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:30pm

re: #347 Jetpilot1101

Last time I bought my wife a T-Shirt that read "Banana Rat, the other white meat".

SHEESH! Ema's going to get even MORE disturbed!

/teasing Ema ... (-:

363 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:35pm

re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Re-phrase?

I was wondering what you would bring back from GTMO

364 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:40pm

re: #327 mama winger

Wow.

tomorrow I hunt thru dog poop looking for worms

Mama, that was the best retort I have ever heard! Damned near choked laughing.

365 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:46pm

re: #341 CyanSnowHawk

When I was a kid my mom would give out small boxes of raisins. She was a health nut. I had to beg her to give out normal candy so the neighborhood kids wouldn't laugh at me.

366 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:49pm

If 1974 is a clue, maybe it has something to to with Patty Hearst and the SLA.

367 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:36:52pm

re: #351 ArmyWife

I'll trade.

Nope. I am a poop kinda gal.

:)

368 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:07pm

F'ing census takers...

369 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:09pm

re: #362 pre-Boomer Marine brat

SHEESH! Ema's going to get even MORE disturbed!

/teasing Ema ... (-:

Hey, I can take it. . .:)

370 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:32pm

re: #358 Gus 802

My guess on the Zombie announcement?

i) Something to do with his stint at Columbia University and/or Harvard. More than likely some radical writing by El Zero.

ii) Obama's drug dealer.

/The last one would be great!

It has something to do with 1974. Too early.

371 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:34pm

THERE'S NO OBAMA IN BASEBALL!

372 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:42pm

Bill O'Reilly went on the View... He must be loosing what little is left of his mind to sit on the same set with those harpies...

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:45pm

re: #363 DisturbedEma

Not getting it?

374 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:37:51pm

re: #313 Silhouette

Wait until Killer Tomato gets here. Then we're all confused.

My best friend just told me tonight she's voting for Obama.
I wish I hadn't asked, but it's OK. I guess.

375 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:01pm

re: #318 reine.de.tout

Cookbook update here, if anyone is interested.

We hope to have it finished by end of Oct, first part of November.


Thanks for the link. :)

376 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:03pm

Hmmmm my guess an Ayers and BHO connection from college.

377 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:03pm

re: #363 DisturbedEma

I was wondering what you would bring back from GTMO

It's actually a rather nice place. I'm leaving tomorrow but spent the afternoon snorkeling on an untouched reef in the Caribbean.

378 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:04pm

re: #368 Noam Sayin'

F'ing census takers...

WHAT are they asking you?

I don't think they're really with the government.

379 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:05pm
380 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:20pm

re: #370 Irene NYC

It has something to do with 1974. Too early.

But Obama was only 13!/

381 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:21pm

re: #360 n in wi

If it is an affair, it won't matter to his supporters.{remember Bill Clinton?]


not an affair with a woman . . .

382 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:42pm

re: #376 ACJohn

Hmmmm my guess an Ayers and BHO connection from college.

BHO was 13 in 1974.

383 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:44pm

re: #306 x-wing

Battalion, but okay.. mellow,mellow.

/

The Cavalry calls it a Squadron. I was with 1/4Cav in 1st ID(Mech).

384 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:53pm

I was a staunch HARD-CORE republican. And everyone in my family, and on my block has voted republican their entire lives. We are all pro-life and own guns.

I even thought Regan was too liberal.

But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.

We are devoting the rest of our lives to working for ACORN, helping the promote GAY weddings, late-term abortions and electing Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the USSC.

We also are praying for more taxes, and the demise of western civilization.

Really it is true, all because of that evil Sarah Palin.

385 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:38:59pm

Then there were the bruthas and sistas in Harlem dat were very supportive of Obama's VP pick, Sarah Palin.

386 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:03pm

re: #370 Irene NYC

Ah, OK. I'll have to wait then.

1974. I had "Nixon Now" stickers back then.

387 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:06pm

Good evening Lizards!
How is everyone? It's game 1 of the world series I'm I am jacked up!
WooHoo..
This is how life is..To watch a classic game I had to listen to the backstreet boys do the silliest version of our anthem i have ever heard...
These 4 old dudes, popping it out.. must have a good manager
Sorry i might have insulted a few lizards....but come on...
I was at a game years ago and this little 12 yr old sang...I don't think there was a dry eye in the house at the end...Music needs heart..
Backstreet boys..damn that's funny..fire the producer..NOW!
LOL
ok friends..first pitch!

388 Little Doxie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:08pm

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(puts the tootsie roll back into the drawer. closes the drawer. picks up a Baby Ruth Bar).

Two words, Caddy Shack.

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:10pm

re: #381 Florida Lady

not an affair with a woman . . .

Heh...old political joke..."caught with a dead woman or live boy"

390 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #370 Irene NYC

It has something to do with 1974. Too early.

It has something to do with a hippie with a grubby pencil in 1974, who through ignorance ... uh ... almost erased traces of Communism ... I forget the rest.

391 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:30pm

The clues are...1974...hippie...a pencil...

seriously.

392 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:34pm

re: #250 FrogMarch

Why not vote against him? That's what I'm doing.

Those of us who are a little older can vote for McCain. Even if it were true that his policies were no different from Obama's......and it is NOT true......I would vote for McCain. I would vote for him for the same reason that I would never, ever for for John Kerry.
VIETNAM.
When I vote for McCain, I'm voting for every American who went over and fought for this country back then. For the ones who never came home. For the ones who came home only to be spit at by spoiled little brats steeped in the doctrines of silver spoon turds like William Ayers.
Anyone who is old enough to remember Vietnam who has a hard time voting FOR McCain and AGAINST the Ayers-Dohrn candidate, can go to hell.

393 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:43pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards!
How is everyone? It's game 1 of the world series I'm I am jacked up!
WooHoo..
This is how life is..To watch a classic game I had to listen to the backstreet boys do the silliest version of our anthem i have ever heard...
These 4 old dudes, popping it out.. must have a good manager
Sorry i might have insulted a few lizards....but come on...
I was at a game years ago and this little 12 yr old sang...I don't think there was a dry eye in the house at the end...Music needs heart..
Backstreet boys..damn that's funny..fire the producer..NOW!
LOL
ok friends..first pitch!

Time for beer my friend... Sam Adams?

394 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:43pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not getting it?

I was responding to the lizard call about souveirs from GTMO, I had images of stands and such selling "I went to GTMO and all I got was stripped searched" Tees and maybe a "someone I hate wishes I was in GTMO" towel. . .

Sorry, warped sense of humor I have. . .

395 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:45pm
396 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:49pm

hey guys
posted this in the links but here to for discussion
read how there is MASSIVE vote FRAUD here in Nashville,
not OHIO, not Florida, but Nashville, buckle of the bible belt
jeebus this is a nightmare.

397 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:39:57pm

re: #384 odinga

I was a staunch HARD-CORE republican. And everyone in my family, and on my block has voted republican their entire lives. We are all pro-life and own guns.

I even thought Regan was too liberal.

But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.

We are devoting the rest of our lives to working for ACORN, helping the promote GAY weddings, late-term abortions and electing Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the USSC.

We also are praying for more taxes, and the demise of western civilization.

Really it is true, all because of that evil Sarah Palin.


ROTFLMAO!

398 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:05pm

re: #384 odinga

I was a staunch HARD-CORE republican. And everyone in my family, and on my block has voted republican their entire lives. We are all pro-life and own guns.

I even thought Regan was too liberal.

But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.

We are devoting the rest of our lives to working for ACORN, helping the promote GAY weddings, late-term abortions and electing Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the USSC.

We also are praying for more taxes, and the demise of western civilization.

Really it is true, all because of that evil Sarah Palin.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thank you for that! Laughter is good medicine :)

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:18pm

re: #339 mama winger

Her lack of experience combined with McCain's age and health is a serious concern. If McCain was young and fit it wouldn't concern me as much. I see her as the mirror of Obama. Conservatives are really enamored of the whole small town "folksy" thing, but most politicians (Fred Thompson, Dubbya, etc) put than on as a charm but they have experience and education behind them. When that experience and education is gone then all you're left with is a folksy empty suit. It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarrassing. If she'd spent some more time as a governor, had a record of accomplishments and a little more experience handling herself with the press she would have done fine. I think she was put in the spotlight too early.

400 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:24pm

re: #377 Jetpilot1101

It's actually a rather nice place. I'm leaving tomorrow but spent the afternoon snorkeling on an untouched reef in the Caribbean.

Niiiiiiiice :) I am jealous

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:36pm

re: #392 wolfie

Wolfie! Sarah's coming to Roanoke on Monday!

402 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:36pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

Looks like you are lucky you weren't thrown out with the bath water!

403 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:37pm

re: #391 Silhouette

uh oh,
zombie has pics of me? : P

404 Meremortal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:40:45pm

re: #391 Silhouette

The clues are...1974...hippie...a pencil...

seriously.


+
Yep, see my #27. Now I really must got, hold the fort...

405 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:18pm

re: #375 rightymouse

Thanks x2 for the link, I never knew about the LGF Cookbook.

406 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:22pm

Ayers helped Obama write his book?

407 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:26pm

re: #393 doriangrey

Time for beer my friend... Sam Adams?

Thank you my friend! Bud light for me...Whad up?

408 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:27pm

re: #345 FrogMarch

Green papaya salad.

/*tucks napkin in shirt*

It's not that difficult to make. Now, how hot (spicy) do you like it? In Thailand, the regular green papaya salad can rip out the roof of your mouth. It can be wicked. :)

409 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:35pm

re: #365 FrogMarch

When I was a kid my mom would give out small boxes of raisins. She was a health nut. I had to beg her to give out normal candy so the neighborhood kids wouldn't laugh at me.

You didn't by chance raise rabbits,did you?

410 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:35pm

re: #384 odinga

Hey, now you're sounding just like CNN! You're repeating their "talking points!"

411 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:42pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

Hi Hoops.

Word is, a major zombie report is coming out "soon". If you think you can beat out of Charles what th' heck "soon" means, have at it.

/I ain't goin' against Stinky

412 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:41:58pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

What about her positions?

413 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:14pm

re: #400 DisturbedEma

Niiiiiiiice :) I am jealous

I do hope that whoever gets into office doesn't make a concerted effort to shut the base down. It's a piece of history.

414 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:28pm

re: #392 wolfie

For the ones who came home only to be spit at by spoiled little brats steeped in the doctrines of silver spoon turds like William Ayers.

Amen

And Ayers did more than spit on them. He and his buddies were building a nail bomb to rip them apart.

415 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:29pm

re: #391 Silhouette

The clues are...1974...hippie...a pencil...

seriously.

Mars Hotel...Pride of Cucamonga...John Perry Barlow, Phil Lesh Owsley have the missing 18:30 from the Nixon tapes and Obama is in it...

416 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:30pm

The entire liberal media is culpable in the greatest crime against journalism: showing complete support for one Chicago politician of dubious origins!

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:39pm

re: #384 odinga


But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.


That's what I'm talking about. I don't think she was a good VP pick.

418 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:42:48pm

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh! I had a hunch that'd register, even in this day.

When I saw Fulda Gap, it all came back.

It was nice that our orders didn't come with a fall back position. None of that "we are not retreating, we're attacking in a different direction."

Fight to the Death. Hoorah.

419 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:02pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Two words: Abraham Lincoln.

Inexperienced politician. Greatest President.

420 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:03pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Ten Halloween Goodies NOT TO GIVE AWAY!

Some of these I used to hate getting. Some I never got.

Okay, I'll try.

Toothbrushes- never heard of this one
Raisins - don't like
Candy Corn - worse than raisins
Smarties and Necco Wafers -don't like
Dum Dum Lollipops - I love this
Apples - Ditto on the razor scare; don't give these out
Tootsie Rolls - This screams, "I'm a cheap house!"
Miscellaneous, Wrapped Hard Candies - Jolly Ranchers are okay
Laffy Taffy - This pulled my kid's filling out=$148 to replace fillilng.
Anything Fun-Sized - Good idea

421 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:15pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

McCain's health is fine. His medical records have been released- unlike 0bama's.

As VP, Sarah will have time for "on the job training"- unlike 0bama.

She does have a record of accomplishments- unlike 0bama.

422 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:18pm

re: #415 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mars Hotel...Pride of Cucamonga...John Perry Barlow, Phil Lesh Owsley have the missing 18:30 from the Nixon tapes and Obama is in it...

I liked Mars Hotel quite a bit

423 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:26pm

re: #407 HoosierHoops

Thank you my friend! Bud light for me...Whad up?

Bud light.................... Shirley you jest....

424 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:34pm

lack of experience, Mirror Obamas? sorry she ran a state.AND a family of 5 kids. while hunting for food! and wears heels without falling on her face!

425 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:42pm

I told ya that McCain's performance at the last debate was enough to boost him a few points, and that the talking head coverage to the contrary, was dead wrong. Told ya, told ya, told ya.

Sorry, haven't been able to read all day, so if this is the 297'th time someone has made the point, well, I beat the 298'th, anyway.

I guess this would have been best posted about three threads ago, but that was then and this is now.

426 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:45pm

re: #357 Florida Lady

If he shows. The Metro Baltimore Chapt President will absolutely be there. Close your eyes and envision a caricature of an upper level Union exec. THAT is exactly what he looks and sounds like.

427 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:43:52pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think she was a good VP pick.

Uh, I think the post was satirical.

428 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:13pm

re: #406 J.D.

Ayers held the candle while Barry wrote his book in a dark room somewhere.

429 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:16pm

re: #384 odinga

I was a staunch HARD-CORE republican. And everyone in my family, and on my block has voted republican their entire lives. We are all pro-life and own guns.

I even thought Regan was too liberal.

But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.

We are devoting the rest of our lives to working for ACORN, helping the promote GAY weddings, late-term abortions and electing Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the USSC.

We also are praying for more taxes, and the demise of western civilization.

Really it is true, all because of that evil Sarah Palin.


**SNORT**

430 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:20pm

Necco wafers and Smarties good

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:21pm

Kilgore. You have to be at peace with yourself. Do what you feel is necessary.

432 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:29pm

Dorian, How is your friends brother doing?

433 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:31pm

re: #394 DisturbedEma

I was responding to the lizard call about souvenirs from GTMO, I had images of stands and such selling "I went to GTMO and all I got was stripped searched" Tees and maybe a "someone I hate wishes I was in GTMO" towel. . .

Sorry, warped sense of humor I have. . .

I was just in Albuquerque and was very disappointed not to find a single souvenir in reference to Bugs Bunny's famous "wrong turn in Albuquerque."

434 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:35pm
435 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:55pm

Audio of Sarah Palin's interview with James Dobson:

[Link: www.citizenlink.org...]

436 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:44:57pm

re: #306 x-wing

Battalion, but okay.. mellow,mellow.

/

The 11th Cav Reg had the screening action for the Fulda Gap covering the 3d Arm Div. Depth provided by the 8th Inf. So if talking about the 11th ACR, then it would be a Squadron. If I remember the Fulda Gap scenario correctly.

437 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:03pm

re: #412 mama winger

What about her positions?

Apparently only missionary and outside of political office. . .oh, wait, gov. status notwithstanding. . .no REAL office that keep you away from people and budget decisions, and makes you live in Washington. . .umm, oh wait, that is the Senate. . .my bad.

Trout smells fishy in swimming upstream against the current of the contradictions in Fishy statements of experience and "punishment for Palin" I am not buying the fish story. . .

438 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:10pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

You have a solid point. In the circumstances, it is a lesser concern for me.

IMHO, weighing the gravity of your point, I approve of putting Palin in Blair House as a "calculated risk".

439 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:11pm

someone wearing an Obama mask has been the one campaigning for the Dem's for the past month' The real Barack is tied up in a steamer trunk somewhere.

440 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:15pm

re: #415 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Mars Hotel...Pride of Cucamonga...John Perry Barlow, Phil Lesh Owsley have the missing 18:30 from the Nixon tapes and Obama is in it...

Obama may have been in Dallas the day JFK got it.

441 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:16pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

McCain's health is fine. His medical records have been released- unlike 0bama's.

As VP, Sarah will have time for "on the job training"- unlike 0bama.

She does have a record of accomplishments- unlike 0bama.

She has a record of integrity, unlike Obama.

442 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:19pm

Utley!

443 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:19pm

re: #384 odinga

I was a staunch HARD-CORE republican. And everyone in my family, and on my block has voted republican their entire lives. We are all pro-life and own guns.

I even thought Regan was too liberal.

But when McCain picked Palin, my entire conservative FAMILY and everyone on my block, decided to throw away their guns, become Marxists and vote for Obama.

We are devoting the rest of our lives to working for ACORN, helping the promote GAY weddings, late-term abortions and electing Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the USSC.

We also are praying for more taxes, and the demise of western civilization.

Really it is true, all because of that evil Sarah Palin.

Me too. I have even decided to try sucking d**k to see if there might be something to it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.///

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:20pm

DING! phillies. 2-0

445 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:29pm

Utley 2 run homer

446 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:37pm

re: #300 arethusa

Hillary is STILL on "the vast right-wing conspiracy," this time in reference to Al Franken.

I don't like Al Franken. No conservative I know does. How is that a conspiracy?

In backing Franken tonight, Clinton gave a full-throated endorsement of someone who earlier this year was facing allegations that a 2000 guest column he penned for Playboy Magazine was demeaning toward women. Franken said the piece -- with a headline of "Porn-O-Rama" -- was meant as satire.

Clinton has known Franken since the early 1990s and made fun of his comedic past but said it was the first-time candidate's way of telling "truth through jokes."

"Sure, he's been a comedian, and occasionally he's even been funny," she joked.

Interesting choice of words there--and when has Al Franken ever been funny?

447 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:41pm

re: #391 Silhouette

Obama had a sexual encounter with a hippie who was on the lam in 1974?

448 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:44pm

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yah He shoudl just vote for Obama, with less experience, basically can't wash his own undies or socks. (michelle said it not me)

449 odinga[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:53pm
450 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:45:56pm

Okay.

Charles says it's a big report.

Is it big for US, or big for the GENERAL PUBLIC?

451 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:04pm

re: #392 wolfie

Those of us who are a little older can vote for McCain. Even if it were true that his policies were no different from Obama's......and it is NOT true......I would vote for McCain. I would vote for him for the same reason that I would never, ever for for John Kerry.
VIETNAM.
When I vote for McCain, I'm voting for every American who went over and fought for this country back then. For the ones who never came home. For the ones who came home only to be spit at by spoiled little brats steeped in the doctrines of silver spoon turds like William Ayers.
Anyone who is old enough to remember Vietnam who has a hard time voting FOR McCain and AGAINST the Ayers-Dohrn candidate, can go to hell.

What's interesting is that McCain can make a very serious point about Ayers:

The fact is that Ayers and Dohrn weren't "anti-War", they were On The Other Side. The Weather-whatevers saw themselves not as resisters or objecters, but as the American wing of a Communist army allied with the Vietnamese.

Barack Obama's "neighbors" actively supported the same people who hung John McCain backwards by his arms until they broke.

Again, not "anti-war", not "radical", not "resistance", not "anti-Government" - ON THE OTHER SIDE. They've said so themselves, they're proud of it, and they still feel that way.

McCain could bury Obama with this, but he doesn't, because he's being Mr. Nice Guy.

452 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

In comparison with that "loins-girder" motormouth from Delaware?

453 eon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:18pm

Well, this little Lizard has to go. Getting cross-eyed.

When you think you are too tired to post, you are too tired to post.

I'm off for the night.

BTW- it took me until the 8th of October, 2008, to reach my 1,000th post. This is Post #1,507 for me. Busy month. (No wonder I'm pooped.)

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

454 Spider Mensch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:22pm

re: #374 J.D.

My best friend just told me tonight she's voting for Obama.
I wish I hadn't asked, but it's OK. I guess.

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Her lack of experience combined with McCain's age and health is a serious concern. If McCain was young and fit it wouldn't concern me as much. I see her as the mirror of Obama. Conservatives are really enamored of the whole small town "folksy" thing, but most politicians (Fred Thompson, Dubbya, etc) put than on as a charm but they have experience and education behind them. When that experience and education is gone then all you're left with is a folksy empty suit. It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarrassing. If she'd spent some more time as a governor, had a record of accomplishments and a little more experience handling herself with the press she would have done fine. I think she was put in the spotlight too early.

so your covering your bases? if obama were to win (which he won't) you can say "wasn't me! I didn't vote for him" and by not voting the republican candidates, you can come on right leaning sites like this and tell us all how smart you were to not vote for them because "look how fucked up they are!"! wow! your the like the coolest kid in class! can I start combing my hair like you?

455 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:25pm

re: #440 n in wi

Obama may have been in Dallas the day JFK got it.

Obama may have been Marx's ghost-writer for Das Kapital.

456 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:26pm

re: #449 odinga

wth?

457 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:29pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think she was a good VP pick.

OMG are you for real?

I am a card carrying DEMOCRAT and I think you are full of shit, and I would know.

458 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:35pm

re: #422 jamgarr

I liked Mars Hotel quite a bit

Speaking of Mars Hotel, I once saw a shirt on tour with a cool drawing:
the White House with an Alfred E. Neuman flag flying above it, with the lines

Don't lend no hand
To raise no flag
Atop no ship of fools


It would have been funnier if it was during the Carter or Clinton administrations.

459 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:46:55pm

re: #130 mama winger

Let's call it what it is.

People[Unhinged liberals] don't like the fact that Sarah Palin is a[n attractive and accomplished female ] conservative Pro-life Christian [who "the people" love].

I'm saying it out loud.

Touched it up. . .
Liberals hate Palin for being everything they are not.

460 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:01pm

re: #450 TheMatrix31

Okay.

Charles says it's a big report.

Is it big for US, or big for the GENERAL PUBLIC?

If Zombie and Charles say its big, then it is big, big.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:03pm

re: #448 willowone

He is not voting for Obama. Read his comment. Is sitting it out.

462 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:07pm

re: #451 Pawn of the Oppressor

Barack Obama's "neighbors" actively supported the same people who hung John McCain backwards by his arms until they broke.

Again, not "anti-war", not "radical", not "resistance", not "anti-Government" - ON THE OTHER SIDE. They've said so themselves, they're proud of it, and they still feel that way.


preach it

463 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:08pm

re: #411 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hi Hoops.

Word is, a major zombie report is coming out "soon". If you think you can beat out of Charles what th' heck "soon" means, have at it.

/I ain't goin' against Stinky

I have read that...I think that Zombie will someday be MSM somewhere and we can say..Hey..I knew zom back in the day..we talk..
Phillys 2-0 home run! [Link: wwwoooo...]

464 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #454 Spider Mensch

wth?

465 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:19pm

re: #442 arethusa

Utley!

Could McCarver just STFU!

466 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:21pm

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know! Do you have tickets? We don't!
But I'm glad she's coming!

467 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:21pm

re: #447 ArmyWife

Using a pencil? Forgot that part.

468 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:24pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

The issue being that you are essentially arguing the potential of having an empty suit as POTUS if John McCain wins, and then dies in Office, versus having an empty suit in the White House if John McCain loses. If I were a gambling man I would still place my bets on McCain if I wanted to avoid an empty suit.

469 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:33pm

re: #453 eon

good night eon

May angels guard you as you sleep

470 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:36pm

re: #394 DisturbedEma

I was responding to the lizard call about souveirs from GTMO, I had images of stands and such selling "I went to GTMO and all I got was stripped searched" Tees and maybe a "someone I hate wishes I was in GTMO" towel. . .

Sorry, warped sense of humor I have. . .

"I went to GTMO and all I got was water up my nose"

471 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:36pm

re: #441 itellu3times

She has a record of integrity, unlike Obama.

She has a professional resume. . .with REAL j-o-b-s on it!

472 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:47:58pm

re: #457 DisturbedEma

Sara was right, for some, women are Held to a higher Bar than men. fk em.

473 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:02pm

re: #445 ACJohn

Utley 2 run homer

Ya know, I've heard quite enough about Messrs. Utley & Rollins for one season.

474 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:08pm

re: #471 DisturbedEma

She has a professional resume. . .with REAL j-o-b-s on it!

Now that's a 3-letter word I can get behind!

475 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #471 DisturbedEma

She has a professional resume. . .with REAL j-o-b-s on it!

There's that 3 letter word again.

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:31pm

re: #466 wolfie

I know! Do you have tickets? We don't!
But I'm glad she's coming!

Prolly won't. Hate crowds. Love Sarah. There is little chance she'd go out with me anyway. Sigh.

477 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:35pm

re: #392 wolfie

I do admire McCain - always have and always will. His campaign is lack-luster. Obama is a disaster. Obama is a scary Chicago creation with bad bad juju. I am merely attempting to urge bench sitters to at least consider a vote against the O.

(-note- I'm voting against the media, too)

478 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:37pm

re: #470 Outrider

Any SF guys out there? Want to talk about your water boarding experience in your special training? Even better, can you explain WHY you volunteered for that? =)

479 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:41pm

re: #378 Silhouette

WHAT are they asking you?

I don't think they're really with the government.

I might agree. Who the f! works at night?

Department of Labor - looking for statistics. She didn't even leave a survey with me. She expected me to sit down with her and fill it out with her - bah!

Had a similar problem several years ago with the CDC. They kept bothering me about filling out a health survey and going in for a free healthcare checkup. Would NOT leave me alone.

... until I called the Surgeon General's office and demanded the individual stop calling on me.

480 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:49pm

re: #465 n in wi

Could McCarver just STFU!


What you said!

481 rightymouse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:57pm

Gotta go. Later.

482 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:48:58pm

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yeah always a wise move, no responsibilty. I have kids that do the same.

483 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:08pm

re: #419 arethusa

Before Lincoln ran for president.....

Lincoln began his political career in 1832, at age 23, with an unsuccessful campaign for the Illinois General Assembly, as a member of the Whig Party.
....
In 1834, he won election to the state legislature, and, after coming across the Commentaries on the Laws of England, began to teach himself law. Admitted to the bar in 1837, he moved to Springfield, Illinois, that same year and began to practice law with John T. Stuart. With a reputation as a formidable adversary during cross-examinations and in his closing arguments, Lincoln became an able and successful lawyer.[20]

He served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives as a representative from Sangamon County, and became a leader of the Illinois Whig party.
.....
Lincoln returned to politics in response to the Kansas-Nebraska Act (1854), which expressly repealed the limits on slavery's extent as determined by the Missouri Compromise (1820).
...
Drawing on remnants of the old Whig, Free Soil, Liberty and Democratic parties, he was instrumental in forming the new Republican Party. In a stirring campaign, the Republicans carried Illinois in 1854 and elected a senator.
....
Accepting the Republican nomination for Senate in 1858, Lincoln delivered his famous speech: "'A house divided against itself cannot stand.'(Mark 3:25) I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."

That's just his political resume. I edited out his legal and military service. Neither Obama nor Palin's resume come even close.

484 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:16pm

Sarah has real world experience- unlike 0bama.

Sarah understands a hard day's work- unlike 0bama.

Sarah has made no secret that she loves this country- unlike 0bama. (His love of this country is, frankly, questionable).

485 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:24pm

re: #470 Outrider

"I went to GTMO and all I got was water up my nose"

And oh the NUMBER of possibilities with that. . .

486 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:29pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

McCain's health is fine. His medical records have been released- unlike 0bama's.

As VP, Sarah will have time for "on the job training"- unlike 0bama.

She does have a record of accomplishments- unlike 0bama.

also she could never be an empty suit like Obama is. he wears whatever policies or positions he thinks are fashionable at the moment. he's shallow and self centered.

Palin is none of those things. she is as solid as they come.

487 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:46pm

re: #408 rightymouse

It's not that difficult to make. Now, how hot (spicy) do you like it? In Thailand, the regular green papaya salad can rip out the roof of your mouth. It can be wicked. :)

I know what you are talking about. I always order mild (which is American for: slightly spicy)

488 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:49:51pm

re: #460 CapeCoddah

If Zombie and Charles say its big, then it is big, big.

That's something to be happy about. I just hope it gains traction, because so far, everything "big" that's come out has fallen flat on its "momentum".

489 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:50:02pm

Obama can't be a Muslim.
Obama was -1,100 years of age when Mohamed was born.

God you republicans keep playing the guilt by association game OVER AND OVER.

490 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:50:09pm

re: #432 CapeCoddah

Dorian, How is your friends brother doing?

His family was able to raise the ransom and he was flown by life flight to UCSD Medical Center. He's not out of the woods yet, but he was able to recognize his family members. He's pretty busted up and my end up paralyzed from the waist down.

491 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:50:09pm

re: #414 Silhouette

I know. I had a boyfriend at Ft Dix back then. I went up there to a dance, too.

492 Maui Girl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:50:20pm

I just realized that opening up the World Series was waaaayyyy more important than Obama's "gravely ill" grandmother. I'm surprised he's even coming to Hawaii to see her. He could've just told them to call if they need him! This goes to show you the character of this man. When did he find out about his "GRAVELY ILL" grandmother? Sunday? And he's not heading out to see her until Thursday. He better hope to hell she lives that long. A**hole.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:05pm

I am really sick (virus).

I am really wanting to go to bed (sleep).

Charles and Zombie be holdin' back like meth dealers lookin' for a raise.

I'll take some Niquil anyway and try to tough it out.

494 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:07pm

re: #438 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

495 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:10pm

the msm is power hungry too. they want to think they can control and orchestrate events in the world. they also mostly lean left, being both overly intellectual and stupid.
once they zeroed in on "zero", that was it.
they became maniacal abt. getting him elected. they are on over drive now.
all thought and reason under the bus. it is pathetic to see these hacks lose all ability to do their jobs.

obama should just look to see how the msm has treated hillary and bill, who used to be their 'do no wrong' darlings.
now abandoned.
the msm is a nest of vipers using the public and those they select to promote, as fodder for their own dalliances,
the msm is the worst of all the players in this game.

496 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:13pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

McCain's health is fine. His medical records have been released- unlike 0bama's.

I wonder if Obama won't release his full medical records because there might have been a drug rehab.

Just wondering.

497 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:19pm

This Pencil?

498 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:26pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

Not even close? Well tell me this KT, was Lincoln ever a community organizer, or as they say in Europe, community organiser?

499 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:36pm

re: #490 doriangrey

His family was able to raise the ransom and he was flown by life flight to UCSD Medical Center. He's not out of the woods yet, but he was able to recognize his family members. He's pretty busted up and my end up paralyzed from the waist down.

That is horrible Dorian.. I didn't know...

500 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #490 doriangrey

His family was able to raise the ransom and he was flown by life flight to UCSD Medical Center. He's not out of the woods yet, but he was able to recognize his family members. He's pretty busted up and my end up paralyzed from the waist down.

Great and bad. At least he is free and home, with real medical care. Prayers for his recovery.

501 JSK1121  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:46pm

re: #492 Maui Girl

I just realized that opening up the World Series was waaaayyyy more important than Obama's "gravely ill" grandmother. I'm surprised he's even coming to Hawaii to see her. He could've just told them to call if they need him! This goes to show you the character of this man. When did he find out about his "GRAVELY ILL" grandmother? Sunday? And he's not heading out to see her until Thursday. He better hope to hell she lives that long. A**hole.

It's a political move to drum up support by having Barry visit his poor, typical white grandmother. John McCain suspends his campaign when America's economy is dying and is called 'erratic.' Barack Obama suspends his campaign when his grandmother is ill and is called 'compassionate.' Fuzzy math indeed.

502 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:51pm

Obama and Sarah.

Both have limited experience. Both are breaking barriers.

The difference:

Sarah lives her beliefs and proudly offers them for consideration by the electorate.

Obama hides his beliefs and covers up any attempt to disclose them to the electorate.

Who do you trust?

503 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:51:59pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

Before Lincoln ran for president.....

That's just his political resume. I edited out his legal and military service. Neither Obama nor Palin's resume come even close.


Oh, ok. . .got it, you are looking at these things as comparable?

Lizards, wtf with this one?

504 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:52:00pm

re: #409 n in wi

You didn't by chance raise rabbits,did you?

no. I had a few hamsters. then a cat. No bunnies.

505 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:52:27pm

I was at a football game last night and I heard a 7th grader say, "Yeah, Sarah Palin is running for VP but she's against women's rights!"

I felt like saying, hey.....you can get as many abortions as you want. She's not gonna change the law.

506 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:04pm

re: #489 odinga

Obama can't be a Muslim.
Obama was -1,100 years of age when Mohamed was born.

God you republicans keep playing the guilt by association game OVER AND OVER.

You are funny.

507 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:10pm

Bill O'Reilly was actually pretty good on The View. Called Obama a Communist.

508 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:17pm

re: #498 Scion9


Well tell me this KT, was Lincoln ever a community organizer, or as they say in Europe, community organiser?


Sort of yes. He did a lot of legal work.

509 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:26pm

re: #494 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

I understand.
(-:

510 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:29pm

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

have the flu /cold? so do i and two of my kids, changing weather or virus, dunno, 4 days and counting.

511 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:37pm

1974 was the year the Weather Underground issued their manifesto, Prairie Fire -- The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism. Zombie may have connected this to some writings by Obama, which is a direct link to Ayers and Dohrn, which is a link to communism.

512 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:40pm

Sarah has integrity, Killgore. If there is one thing missing in DC it is integrity. But if you'd really rather nitpick and compare her to the greatest Presidents this country ever had, then knock yourself out.

The fact remains that she's energized the base- which McCain never did. I think she'll be fine should the worse happen because she knows who she is and will have the best possible people around her to help her.

513 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:41pm

re: #492 Maui Girl

I just realized that opening up the World Series was waaaayyyy more important than Obama's "gravely ill" grandmother. I'm surprised he's even coming to Hawaii to see her. He could've just told them to call if they need him! This goes to show you the character of this man. When did he find out about his "GRAVELY ILL" grandmother? Sunday? And he's not heading out to see her until Thursday. He better hope to hell she lives that long. A**hole.

Biden wants to divide granny up in 3 pieces. Keep 1 in Hawaii,1 to campaign with O, and 1 for him.

514 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:44pm

re: #460 CapeCoddah

BIG

515 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:45pm

re: #508 Killgore Trout

Sort of yes. He did a lot of legal work.

Oh for the love of Pete.

516 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:47pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Her lack of experience combined with McCain's age and health is a serious concern. If McCain was young and fit it wouldn't concern me as much. I see her as the mirror of Obama. Conservatives are really enamored of the whole small town "folksy" thing, but most politicians (Fred Thompson, Dubbya, etc) put than on as a charm but they have experience and education behind them. When that experience and education is gone then all you're left with is a folksy empty suit. It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarrassing. If she'd spent some more time as a governor, had a record of accomplishments and a little more experience handling herself with the press she would have done fine. I think she was put in the spotlight too early.

But Obama seems to have more experience for the #1 slot and you are alright with that? You saying Palin s in spotlight too early and you are willing to let Obama slide in with his incredibl limited experience?

And you find her "embarrassing"? Dude. I hate to tell you but that is so freakin snobbish and elitist it isn't even close to funny.

Not a line of that makes any kind of sense. You seem disconnected.

517 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:53:49pm

re: #494 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

You still confuse me. . .I cannot see any logic in your decision, but as it is still America with a "C" have at it!

518 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:54:09pm

Hmmm . . . 1974 . . . Hippie . . . Pencil

519 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:54:19pm

Palin was a great VP pick until the fucking Democrats and media, but I repeat myself, Quayle/Borked her.

520 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:54:30pm

re: #516 Outrider

But Obama seems to have more experience for the #1 slot and you are alright with that?


I never said that.

521 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:54:57pm

re: #510 willowone

have the flu /cold? so do i and two of my kids, changing weather or virus, dunno, 4 days and counting.

I sneezed about 1 trillion times tonight..I was getting pissed!
get better

522 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:07pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

Sarah has integrity, Killgore. If there is one thing missing in DC it is integrity. But if you'd really rather nitpick and compare her to the greatest Presidents this country ever had, then knock yourself out.

The fact remains that she's energized the base- which McCain never did. I think she'll be fine should the worse happen because she knows who she is and will have the best possible people around her to help her.


And Obama falls far short of these past leaders. . .Sarah is much closer. . .

523 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:11pm

re: #496 ciaospirit

So many people have mentioned his blue lips, I wonder if there isn't a pre-existing medical condition that would give people pause.

524 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:14pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think she was a good VP pick.

Well whatever you are talking about we will never know. But what you are typing about makes no sense.

525 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:21pm

re: #507 Scion9

Bill O'Reilly was actually pretty good on The View. Called Obama a Communist.

Last time I watched The View, Whoppie said she was afraid she might have to be a slave under a McCain Administration.

/puke

526 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:30pm

re: #507 Scion9

Bill O'Reilly was actually pretty good on The View. Called Obama a Communist.


I like this Bill (language warning)

527 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:42pm

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pretty much sums up what Mr Wolf says!

528 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:55:56pm

re: #524 odinga

Well whatever you are talking about we will never know. But what you are typing about makes no sense.

AMEN. . .

529 cblesz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:56:07pm

Jou Behar has to be the biggest idiot douchebag I have ever seen. Just had to say it. Oh, so is Bawa Wawa...

530 cblesz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:56:25pm

re: #529 cblesz

Jou Behar has to be the biggest idiot douchebag I have ever seen. Just had to say it. Oh, so is Bawa Wawa...

Joy Behar

531 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:56:38pm

re: #511 Kreuzueber Halbmond

1974 was the year the Weather Underground issued their manifesto, Prairie Fire -- The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism. Zombie may have connected this to some writings by Obama, which is a direct link to Ayers and Dohrn, which is a link to communism.

I would agree with you, but given today's political climate, being a communist is not the kiss of death it once was for a politician.

Zombie has something big and if it is big enough it might really harm the One who would be king.

532 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:56:45pm

Ultimately, when it comes down to it, Barack Obama is just bad news.

He's a bad man, with bad friends, and bad ideas.

They could run a potted plant against him and I would vote for the plant.

533 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:56:52pm

re: #494 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

Please don't bother.

534 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:00pm

re: #505 Lively

She's for the "women's" rights that count. She is for my right to keep my possessions. She is for my right to bear arms. She is for my right NOT to be killed by terrorists that plot in Iran or in Iraq if we abandon them. She is for my right to have energy produced here at home, from our own soil. And so on.

As a woman, the above things come up a hell of a lot more often than the other.

535 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:01pm

re: #526 joekowalski247

LOL!

536 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:02pm

re: #521 HoosierHoops
thank you, hot toddies with green tea, i'm hoping i don't have to get seriously heavy (niquil'd (sp)out)

537 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:28pm

re: #531 Perplexed

I would love to just have access to a copy of Prairie Fire that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg.

538 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:36pm

And I don't see eye to eye with Sarah on everything, but I love her, because she's a tough, America-loving, straight talking woman like me. She's an inspiration.

539 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:37pm

re: #436 Outrider

The 11th Cav Reg had the screening action for the Fulda Gap covering the 3d Arm Div. Depth provided by the 8th Inf. So if talking about the 11th ACR, then it would be a Squadron. If I remember the Fulda Gap scenario correctly.

Okay, I was stationed in Garlstedt Germany wit Ctroop 2/1 Cav. 2nd AD for almost a year, until the disbanned and went to Air-Cav.. I liked the patch so that's why it's my nic. I was tranferre to Bamberg for the remainder of my two year overseas hitch. I was with Aco. 3/35 Armor 1st AD. and the Fulda Gap was our forward OP.

540 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:38pm

re: #500 CapeCoddah

Great and bad. At least he is free and home, with real medical care. Prayers for his recovery.

Thank you, I believe it was prayers from many fine Lizards like you that helped this to happen. Yes, it's a shame that they had to ransom him back from Mexico, but they were able to do it in time to save his life, and he will most likely recover enough to have a reasonably normal life. This same has happened many times to other Americans, and more times than not the results have been beyond tragic.

541 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:57:39pm

re: #531 Perplexed

I would agree with you, but given today's political climate, being a communist is not the kiss of death it once was for a politician.

Communist in name doesn't. Communist in practice has people checking their watch and wallet.

542 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:58:06pm

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

543 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:58:06pm

re: #537 Scion9

Any copies on the Internet?

544 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:58:20pm

It's round and flat, but not a hat.

545 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:58:36pm

re: #527 wolfie

Pretty much sums up what Mr Wolf says!

Also Mr. Arethusa. Palin actually knocked Condi off the top spot on his hottest-Republican-women list.

546 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:24pm

re: #478 ArmyWife

Any SF guys out there? Want to talk about your water boarding experience in your special training? Even better, can you explain WHY you volunteered for that? =)

Not SF here. But we received a form of waterboarding (never heard it called that until recently)in SEER training in 78 or 79. Very uncomfortable, not pleasant, but not dangerous. And it ain't quite like we were jumpin up and down with our arms raised going, "ooh me next, me next". lol But when one or two guys did it, then it was kinda like you were a wimp if you didn't. Stupid reasoning, but young soldiers can do weird things sometimes.

547 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:28pm

re: #539 x-wing

Fulda Gap was our forward OP.

Wow! Lucky me! Put a dart into the bullseye blindfolded!

548 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:31pm

re: #531 Perplexed

Zombie has something big and if it is big enough it might really harm the One who would be king.

Zombie bes' not criticize Obama or the media will go after him and prove that he is not really a Zombie (not licensed).

549 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:39pm

re: #532 mama winger

Ultimately, when it comes down to it, Barack Obama is just bad news.

He's a bad man, with bad friends, and bad ideas.

They could run a potted plant against him and I would vote for the plant.


They did and the plant decided to let Obama take unlimted funds and limit himself, and to unilaterally disarm from talking about the Reverend Rama Lama Wright. I am voting for the plant. Unfortunately ACORN has registered more than me.

550 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:41pm

re: #460 CapeCoddah

If Zombie and Charles say its big, then it is big, big.

And we know it involved optical character recognition from Zombie's hint yesterday.

So the report has to involve scanning large blocks of printed (not electronic) text. I think this is a plausible guess:

re: #27 Meremortal

I'll take a wild stab at Zombie's upcoming tale. The Undead One has discovered a passage written by Ayers in 1974 which also appears virtually verbatim in Obama's second book.

I think its probably a bit more nuanced than that, but along the same lines. Phrases from Obama's book probably match phrases from Ayers's earlier works, proving that Ayers helped Obama write his book(s).

By the way, is anyone else wondering where the hell Ayers is?

His name has come up in a National Presidential debate, but he's fallen off the face of the earth. He could easily come forward and corroborate Obama's story. . .but he hasn't . Isn't this odd for a "professor" who didn't mind posing for a photograph standing on the American flag?

551 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 5:59:55pm

splat, mat, fat. rotund, frying pan?

552 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:03pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

Don't worry about Frank, those Applegates are strong people.

/oops!

553 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:16pm

#399, Killgore Trout:

To answer your concerns about Palin, I would say that her primary qualification for office, over all else, is her common sense--a quality Will Rogers noted isn't actually so common. Biden certainly doesn't have it, nor do I think BHO has it. It's what is lacking in most politicians....along with a core honesty. Experience isn't all its cracked up to be. Not by a long shot. Common sense and honesty are what we need and that's why I will be voting McCain/Palin.

554 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:24pm

74 hippys with frying pans. (my guess)

555 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:40pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

Zombie's no longer anonymous? Or are you speculating that it could happen?

556 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:41pm

From Wikipedia:

Prairie Fire
The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from former Progressive Labor member, Clayton Van Lydegraf, the Weather Underground sought a more Marxist-Leninist approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated on ideas and published their manifesto: "Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism."[6] By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.[32] Abbie Hoffman publicly praised Prairie Fire and believed every American should be given a copy.[33] The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the 'Prairie Fire Organizing Committee' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.[32] In the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the "May 19 Coalition" and the "Prairie Fire Collective" — with Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers in the latter. The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding, with members facing the criminal charges against them, while the May 19 Coalition continued in hiding. A decisive factor in Dohrn's coming out of hiding were her concerns about her children[citation needed]. The Prairie Fire Collective started to surrender to the authorities from the late 1970s to the early 1980s. The remaining Weatherman Underground members continued to violently attack US institutions.
557 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:47pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

How did that happen?

558 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:00:50pm

re: #543 Perplexed

I have not found any. The thing is, there are still active SDS organizations that list Prairie Fire as foundational documents, it was published 30 years ago, in the thousands, and it was passed around for free. It seems like it should be on the internet. Feels like a scrub job to me that I can only find second hand copies on Amazon or eBay for $50-200. Unless I'm just totally inept at using the Internet, which I don't think I am.

559 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:03pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops

That is horrible Dorian.. I didn't know...

I made a post about it Sunday afternoon when I found out. Many very wonderful Lizards responded by praying for my friends brother. The situation was truly drastic. Thankfully, while the situation still has a tragic nature to it, the worst of it has been resolved.

560 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:14pm

re: #496 ciaospirit

I wonder if Obama won't release his full medical records because there might have been a drug rehab.

Just wondering.


Drug rehab. . .sexually transmitted disease. . .other psychiatric illness (eg depression). . .who knows.

The list of possible things in there goes on and on.

561 soccerdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:15pm

And McCain will still have an electoral landslide, which will only incense the msm more, and further accelerate their slide into obscurity.

Dinosaurs, I tell you. I have not bought a paper in over .....well actually i cannot remember the last time I shelled out $$$. (even 75 cents for a daily.) Stopped at least three..four years ago.

562 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:18pm
563 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:37pm

re: #537 Scion9

You might find this of interest; it's a good summary.

The Weather Underground's Prairie Fire Statement...Thirty Years On

By RON JACOBS

564 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:53pm

OT, but not exactly:

“Radical” academics aren’t driven to greater extremes and grander, more lurid claims because society is becoming more sexist, racist or whatever. The caricatures they become are a result of their own narcissism and a need to be oppositional, or be seen as oppositional. As mainstream society in general becomes less fixated by race, gender, sexuality, etc, so peddlers of grievance and victimhood must search out - or invent - something to oppose. Overstatement and escalation are all but inevitable.

565 Lively  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:54pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

Is this going to happen?

566 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:01:55pm

re: #555 CyanSnowHawk

Zombie's no longer anonymous? Or are you speculating that it could happen?


Hoping that this thing doesn't blow it for him/her/it

567 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:02:10pm

re: #547 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wow! Lucky me! Put a dart into the bullseye blindfolded!

Why do you think I replied. With you being a Marine brat. It caught me off guard.

568 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:02:14pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

No talk about this.
Shhhh.

569 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:02:43pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

And I don't see eye to eye with Sarah on everything, but I love her, because she's a tough, America-loving, straight talking woman like me. She's an inspiration.

registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 31,949

I hope that you realize how many people you have inspired since feb 13th.
You are good people Sharmuta

570 soccerdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #542 jamgarr

Part of me is concerned for the loss of zombie's anonymity.

Ooo...did i miss something?

571 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:02:51pm

What if it's ACTUALLY a zombie?!

572 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:05pm

ok, 74 hippies with charcoal pencils drawing frying pans.

573 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:07pm

re: #566 jamgarr

Hoping that this thing doesn't blow it for him/her/it

What thing? WTF are you talking about?

574 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:28pm

Where did the frying pan come in?

575 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:32pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

I never said that.

OK. As I don't feel like playing semantics, I'll just let you slide with your beliefs. Whatever they may be.

576 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:35pm

re: #515 mama winger

Lincoln - great guy. But dead. Sarah Palin? Not dead and quite capable. Sometimes very brilliant people come to you in a brown wrapper. They couldn't go to an Ivy League for one reason or another, but they used their available skills to get an education the best way they could - and have the brain power to meet or beat those that got to attend the prestigious university. They may not have the resume indicating CEO of Conglomerate X, but they rose up out of ranks of the "normal Shmoe" and became a governor even though their families weren't politically connected or uber rich socialites or they weren't sponsored by a well established politico. It takes way more talent, brains and ingenuity to be THAT person than it does to be born into and then marry well (*cough* Pelosi).

577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:36pm

re: #510 willowone

Great bit from John Pinnette....

Ever take NyQuil? Good stuff! Every notice that in commercials for NyQuil, the people always take it in bed? You know why, you're not making it much further.

Nyquil...

The Nighttime, Sniffling, Sneezing, Coughing, Aching, Stuffy Head, Fever, Wake up from a coma on the kitchen floor three days later medicine.

578 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:47pm

jumping threads

579 sandspur  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:03:56pm

re: #392 wolfie

Those of us who are a little older can vote for McCain. Even if it were true that his policies were no different from Obama's......and it is NOT true......I would vote for McCain. I would vote for him for the same reason that I would never, ever for for John Kerry.
VIETNAM.
When I vote for McCain, I'm voting for every American who went over and fought for this country back then. For the ones who never came home. For the ones who came home only to be spit at by spoiled little brats steeped in the doctrines of silver spoon turds like William Ayers.
Anyone who is old enough to remember Vietnam who has a hard time voting FOR McCain and AGAINST the Ayers-Dohrn candidate, can go to hell.

I second that emotion, by God, I do!

580 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:04:02pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

And I don't see eye to eye with Sarah on everything, but I love her, because she's a tough, America-loving, straight talking woman like me. She's an inspiration.

Palin's approval rating in Alaska is sky high. 70-80%. /Not bad, for a girl.

Nancy Pelosi is at around 12%.

581 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:04:14pm

re: #574 Silhouette

flat round, (i'm the cook in my family

582 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:04:15pm

re: #550 looking closely

Several days ago, a lizard said that he/she'd seen Ayers and Dohrn on a train into NYC (with luggage). They got off at 125th (?) St.

583 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:04:36pm

Rove has his whiteboard out on H&C!
take notes.

584 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:05:04pm

re: #566 jamgarr

Hoping that this thing doesn't blow it for him/her/it

Oh, okay. Let me proclaim it loudly then.

ZOMBIE IS STILL UNKNOWN!

It seems the concern was only with the possibility, not that it had already happened.

585 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:05:08pm

re: #577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh, Last time i took nyquil (tx for correct spelling) i had bed spins!

586 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:05:22pm

re: #571 TheMatrix31

What if it's ACTUALLY a zombie?!

He's be crucified by the media. You know how overwhelmingly the deceased support Democrats. What happened to Clarence Thomas would be nothing by comparison.

587 joekowalski247  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:05:24pm

If this is the 'BIG' news that Zombie has, I've already seen it...

588 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:06:34pm

re: #581 willowone

flat round, (i'm the cook in my family

Ah thanks.

The quote "round and flat and not a hat" came from today's Lileks column.

589 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:06:39pm

re: #541 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Communist in name doesn't. Communist in practice has people checking their watch and wallet.

And there ammo supplies...

590 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:06:44pm

re: #582 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Several days ago, a lizard said that he/she'd seen Ayers and Dohrn on a train into NYC (with luggage). They got off at 125th (?) St.

They are checking into a fancy capitalist hotel. Where they will enjoy the benefits and luxuries of capitalism, all while pondering how much they hate capitalism. & I bet they are bad tippers.

591 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:06:46pm

re: #567 x-wing

Why do you think I replied. With you being a Marine brat. It caught me off guard.

Heh. And my own service was in the Navy (Tonkin Gulf, 63-66). I have done a wee bit of reading, though.

592 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:06:58pm

re: #93 Tigger2005

Oh, I saw that connection a LONG time ago. Believe me, these people know exactly what they're doing. They talk to each other, they watch what the others are doing. The tactics are almost identical. It's also easy to see the roots in Nazi and Soviet Communist propaganda. And the way the media prevents Israel from defending herself is quite similar to the way it's trying to prevent McCain from going on the attack.

I was sarcastic when I said I "discovered" the connection.
Hate to bust it for ya, pal. I know it since the days I was a leftist myself. I had a sense of pride when I knew for a fact that most of the journalists were of the liberal sphere.

593 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:07:18pm

re: #585 willowone

Not sure what those are, but I'll give them enthusiastic thumbs up!

594 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:07:23pm

I'm gonna take off, but before I go I'm gonna say I think Lincoln was a terrible President who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of several hundred thousand American citizens and sending that psychopath Sherman to rape, plunder, and destroy. He suspended habeous corpus, and detained judges and pretty much fucked up anyone who disagreed with him. So fine. he was great. I think not

595 soccerdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:07:41pm

re: #587 joekowalski247

If this is the 'BIG' news that Zombie has, I've already seen it...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I doubt that is it....but it was funny!

596 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:07:55pm

re: #539 x-wing

The 11th Cav Reg had the screening action for the Fulda Gap covering the 3d Arm Div. Depth provided by the 8th Inf. So if talking about the 11th ACR, then it would be a Squadron. If I remember the Fulda Gap scenario correctly.

Okay, I was stationed in Garlstedt Germany wit Ctroop 2/1 Cav. 2nd AD for almost a year, until the disbanned and went to Air-Cav.. I liked the patch so that's why it's my nic. I was tranferre to Bamberg for the remainder of my two year overseas hitch. I was with Aco. 3/35 Armor 1st AD. and the Fulda Gap was our forward OP.

Ok. I've been retired since 93. Things change. Sure didn't intend to offend you with what I thought was a helpful comment.

597 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:17pm

re: #594 kansas

Whoa!
Seriously?

598 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:27pm

I agree with whoever guessed that Zombie found a passage or passages in Dreams From My Father lifted verbatim or near-verbatim from Ayers' writing.

599 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:30pm

re: #339 mama winger

So is your argument against Palin also that she is unqualified? What if I were in her place as Governor? What then?

What I am trying to say is this: What is your concern over Palin? Her experience? Her positions? What?

I'm becoming more and more convinced it's sexism, whether they will admit it or not. Again, I hate to say it, because of the way Republicans are being accused of being racist for opposing and criticizing Obama. But there's simply no logical reason to prefer Obama as President over Palin as Vice President, or to withhold a vote for the Republican ticket because of Palin. There's no rational argument for it.

However, it's a subtle kind of sexism. I'm not saying they don't believe a woman can handle the job. I'm saying they don't believe an attractive woman can handle the job. They don't believe that she is strong enough, smart enough, tough enough, or ruthless enough to do the job, because of her looks. They would be OK with a woman on the ticket who looks like, say, Maggie Thatcher. It doesn't matter that Ms. Thatcher never killed and field-dressed a moose. She LOOKED tough.

Assuming this theory is correct, I don't think it's an opinion a lot of them hold consciously. It's just that they SEE Palin, and, human beings being visual creatures, automatically form an opinion about her based on her looks, which is not easily overcome even when they are exposed to facts about her life and political experience which PROVE her toughness. Meanwhile, because Obama's a man, he gets a pass even though he has much less experience than Palin and has displayed little in the way of toughness, risk-taking, leadership ability, or decision-making skills in the political arena.

600 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:41pm

After this election, every Establishmentarian institution, whether it's Pew Research, network TV, print media, the other pollsters, academia, etc., is going to find itself with zero credibility. As for this report, we can only say, "Tell us another one, just like the other one."

601 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:53pm

re: #582 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Several days ago, a lizard said that he/she'd seen Ayers and Dohrn on a train into NYC (with luggage). They got off at 125th (?) St.


I was being rhetorical. Of course they're still around, and they certainly interact with people every single day.

The point is, we haven't heard a peep from either one of them since this campaign started. If Obama's story about only working with Ayers a limited number of times were true, it would be easy for Ayers personally to confirm it.

Ayers previously had no problem standing in the limelight, but now he's invisible.

I'm saying his silence doesn't speak well to Obama's story.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:08:58pm

Going upstairs to new thread...

Charles knows I hate the stairs.

603 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #144 arethusa

Krauthammer said it out loud on Brit's panel tonight. He also said the women who hate her probably do so in large part because of her decision to have Trig - they realize they would never do such a thing themselves and that it was a virtuous and generous act.

If Krauthammer says they are justified in hating her because she chose to "burden the world" with a child who has less than usual capacities it would seem he has a personal problem. Should he be asked to stand and walk on pain of death if he does not? Who gets to decide what "burdens" are?

604 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:09:40pm

re: #571 TheMatrix31

What if it's ACTUALLY a zombie?!

Go into the Lizard Lounge ... over to the closet in the rear, by the soda machines. Knock on the door. All will be ... uh ... well, explained to you.

605 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:09:47pm

re: #598 neocon hippie

I agree with whoever guessed that Zombie found a passage or passages in Dreams From My Father lifted verbatim or near-verbatim from Ayers' writing.

Will anyone outside of us care about that, though?

606 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:09:52pm

re: #594 kansas

I'm gonna take off, but before I go I'm gonna say I think Lincoln was a terrible President who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of several hundred thousand American citizens and sending that psychopath Sherman to rape, plunder, and destroy. He suspended habeous corpus, and detained judges and pretty much fucked up anyone who disagreed with him. So fine. he was great. I think not

"Single handedly" is written as one word; "singlehandedly."

607 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:10:24pm

re: #598 neocon hippie

I agree with whoever guessed that Zombie found a passage or passages in Dreams From My Father lifted verbatim or near-verbatim from Ayers' writing.

Na, I'm betting it has something to do with Obama's sudden return to Hawaii... And the lawsuit that has him under court order to produce his birth certificate.

608 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:10:26pm

re: #597 J.D.

Whoa!
Seriously?


Yes. Seriously Think about it.

609 Treesarie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:10:53pm

re: #261 willowone

If there have been 50 million abortions then that means 100 million people may have been part of all this. Even though the long term effect of the people who had abortions or the men who asked for them, is never discussed, it is a scar that many carry in their souls. Lashing out at Sarah and Todd for committing and carrying to term, baby Trig, is pure projection and self-hatred. They hate them because they spot light how flawed they have been themselves. A constant reminder of a mistake they may have made and regretted.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

610 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:11:36pm

re: #606 Moe Katz

"Single handedly" is written as one word; "singlehandedly."


So noted.

611 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:11:52pm

re: #601 looking closely

Yes. Of course.
Now I understand what you meant.

612 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:11:55pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

That is key - I think women like you and like me, we see ourselves in Sarah Palin. We think WOW! I could be her! She could be me! We identify with her brains, her chutzpah, her straight shooting ways. It inspires us to go ahead and go after a position that historically has been reserved for the "elite". We are equally smart - maybe even more smart then they are because we have the bonus of common sense to go with intellect.

PS - misspelled and dropped words are a sign of creative genius. TRUST ME.

613 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:12:16pm

re: #599 Tigger2005

She is a beautiful woman of child-bearing age.

614 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:12:38pm

re: #604 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Go into the Lizard Lounge ... over to the closet in the rear, by the soda machines. Knock on the door. All will be ... uh ... well, explained to you.

ROTFLMAO..... I was wondering who was feeding the lounge zombie....

615 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:13:28pm

re: #610 kansas

So noted.

Paid my way through grad school as a copy editor :)

616 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:13:45pm

re: #594 kansas

I'm gonna take off, but before I go I'm gonna say I think Lincoln was a terrible President who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of several hundred thousand American citizens and sending that psychopath Sherman to rape, plunder, and destroy. He suspended habeous corpus, and detained judges and pretty much fucked up anyone who disagreed with him. So fine. he was great. I think not

I would pray that every man, woman and child of color and subjected to slavery, overlords, sharecroppers...would disagree with you...Every white man and women who gave their all..the ultimate sacrifice would also disagree with you.. the price was so high..the burden so great..the grief beyond tears...

617 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:13:49pm

re: #612 ArmyWife


PS - misspelled and dropped words are a sign of creative genius. TRUST ME.

Man I must really be one hell of a creative genius than....... ;p

618 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:14:05pm

re: #603 Hobbes

No, he was attacking the Palin-haters, not justifying them.

619 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:14:15pm

re: #614 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO..... I was wondering who was feeding the lounge zombie....

SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

620 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:14:17pm

re: #586 Scion9

He's be crucified by the media. You know how overwhelmingly the deceased support Democrats. What happened to Clarence Thomas would be nothing by comparison.


Not to put too fine a point on this, but crossing the Chicago political machine has been known to cause people to wake up in cement overshoes.

I'm not saying that its going to happen or even that violence is likely, but at the VERY least, Zombie's personal job could be at risk here if his identity is revealed, and that is absolutely possible. He might have to move away from his current residence, etc.

621 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:14:29pm

Killgore Trout,

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

The word "defection" implies that those people were on our side to begin with. Colin Powell was a disaster as Secretary of State and never in any way conservative on the issues. Good riddance. Christopher Hitchens is an avowed Trotskyite as well as a notorious Israel hater and anti-religious bigot. I knew that he, like Andrew Sullivan, would eventually bail on the War on Terror and he has. Once again, good riddance. I like how he accused Palin of being "uncurious" about foreign policy. I'd like to know how he knows that. I never heard of Buckley's son until he wrote that big whiny piece accusing National Review of tossing him out. I seriously doubt anyone will ever hear from him again.

Seriously Killgore what specifically is your beef with Sarah Palin? Be honest.

She's the most fiscally conservative candidate in this race. So the fact that she's not a fiscal conservative can't be it. Does she have a great deal of foreign policy experience? Well as governor of an American state she has as much foreign policy experience as Ronald Reagan did when he ran for the presidency in 1980. She might not have sat on as many Senate foreign relations committees as Barack Obama or Joe Biden, but she also doesn't have their exhaustive track record of getting all the major foreign policy issues spanning three decades wrong.

Does it come down to social issues? Do you dislike her because she's an unapologetic evangelical Christian?

622 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:14:45pm

re: #615 Moe Katz

Paid my way through grad school as a copy editor :)

ROTFLMAO....... Dont worry, you will eventually outlive the shame..... ;p

623 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:15:42pm

re: #594 kansas

I'm gonna take off, but before I go I'm gonna say I think Lincoln was a terrible President who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of several hundred thousand American citizens and sending that psychopath Sherman to rape, plunder, and destroy. He suspended habeous corpus, and detained judges and pretty much fucked up anyone who disagreed with him. So fine. he was great. I think not

Can't agree with that at all. Half the country turned traitor. I say fuck the 'Peace Democrats', the Copperheads and any other traitors. They all got what they deserved. There was no way things were going to go down any differently, and Lincoln was on record for not liking what he had to do, and told Congress himself that all of the things that he was doing and they wanted him to do were absolutely beyond the Constitution. In a Civil War though, all bets are off.

624 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:16:25pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I'm going to sit out. I simply couldn't vote for Obama.

With all due respect, sitting it out is a vote for Obama. He's got enough help already from all the fraudulent registrations.......What I tell people who say they won't vote is 'vote if for no other reason than to maintain your right to bitch'........

625 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:16:53pm

re: #622 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO....... Dont worry, you will eventually outlive the shame..... ;p

Yeah, but the habit of correcting people is permanent now.

626 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:16:57pm

re: #616 HoosierHoops

Hoosier, Lincoln and his emancipation was simple political expediency - his goal was to keep the Union together and he really didn't give a rats behind about social equality. Luckily, it was the right outcome even if done for the wrong reasons. The Civil War was not about Slavery, either. Again, the outcome was right - but the myths are much more romantic than the truth.

627 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:17:22pm

re: #608 kansas

Yes. Seriously Think about it.

What outcome would you have preferred?

628 Maui Girl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #523 Sharmuta

So many people have mentioned his blue lips, I wonder if there isn't a pre-existing medical condition that would give people pause.

Just a bad shade of lipstick.

629 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:17:50pm

re: #626 ArmyWife

Hoosier, Lincoln and his emancipation was simple political expediency - his goal was to keep the Union together and he really didn't give a rats behind about social equality. Luckily, it was the right outcome even if done for the wrong reasons. The Civil War was not about Slavery, either. Again, the outcome was right - but the myths are much more romantic than the truth.


Actually, the truth is in the middle

630 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:17:55pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Her lack of experience combined with McCain's age and health is a serious concern. If McCain was young and fit it wouldn't concern me as much. I see her as the mirror of Obama. Conservatives are really enamored of the whole small town "folksy" thing, but most politicians (Fred Thompson, Dubbya, etc) put than on as a charm but they have experience and education behind them. When that experience and education is gone then all you're left with is a folksy empty suit. It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarrassing. If she'd spent some more time as a governor, had a record of accomplishments and a little more experience handling herself with the press she would have done fine. I think she was put in the spotlight too early.

You would be one of those people who when encountering people who speak broken English as a second language immediately assume that they are less intelligent because of how they sound. It has been scientifically validated that people consistenty make that erroneous assumptions.

631 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:17:58pm

re: #478 ArmyWife

Any SF guys out there? Want to talk about your water boarding experience in your special training? Even better, can you explain WHY you volunteered for that? =)

They waterboard people in San Francisco? WTH?

Heh.

632 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:18:37pm

re: #616 HoosierHoops

I would pray that every man, woman and child of color and subjected to slavery, overlords, sharecroppers...would disagree with you...Every white man and women who gave their all..the ultimate sacrifice would also disagree with you.. the price was so high..the burden so great..the grief beyond tears...


Lincoln wasn't anti slavery, just pro union and freed the slaves as a way to screw the south. And yes the price was high, the burden great, yada yada yada, but I don't think it had to be. I think with time the slavery issue would have solved itself. But per usual the Northern Liberals had to have their way, and here they come again. I'm surprised they don't spread out and kill us all right now.

633 J.D.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:18:48pm

Gotta pack. Bye y'all.

634 talon_262  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:19:29pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, I think that's a valid point. My Republican family vowed to vote Obama because of Palin. She was mentioned in a lot of high profile defections from Hitchens, Buckley, Powell, etc. I know a lot of people really adore her here but she's a major factor in my own decision not to vote this election.

I somehow doubt that you or your "Republican" family (that "vowed to vote Obama because of Palin")ever had any intentions of voting McCain/Palin, so please forgive me for laughing, snorting, and chortling heartily in your general direction.

/need I say more?

635 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:05pm

re: #609 Treesarie

There's another layer to it. Sarah and Todd chose NOT to have an abortion four other times too, as did the McCains, and the Obamas and Bidens. But it is Trig's birth that gets in their craw. It is Trig's birth that is mentioned again and again. Why?

Those critics perhaps don't even notice they are doing it, but they are bothered more somehow that she didn't eliminate the 'flawed' person.

Had she not had a Down's child, would we have heard any complaints? To answer that, think have we had any complaints about any other candidates' children? Can you say eugenics?

636 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:06pm

re: #627 J.D.

What outcome would you have preferred?

Well less than 600,000 dead would have been a good start.

637 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:15pm

My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married. She was diabetic and had decided even before our marriage that she would not have a child. I think her mother would have pressured her to have one even if she'd wanted to keep the baby, not because her mother was a terrible person, but because she was very protective (my ex-wife was a preemie) and wouldn't have wanted my ex to risk her health.

Neither of us talked much about the abortion before or after, and I think it was one of a number of things that eventually pulled us apart. But although I have very unpleasant memories of that time and often wish I had at least tried to persuade my ex-wife to see the pregnancy through, I have no idea why it should bother me or make me feel like a bad person because Palin and her husband made the decision to keep their handicapped child. All I feel is happiness and admiration for them.

re: #609 Treesarie

If there have been 50 million abortions then that means 100 million people may have been part of all this. Even though the long term effect of the people who had abortions or the men who asked for them, is never discussed, it is a scar that many carry in their souls. Lashing out at Sarah and Todd for committing and carrying to term, baby Trig, is pure projection and self-hatred. They hate them because they spot light how flawed they have been themselves. A constant reminder of a mistake they may have made and regretted.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

638 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #596 Outrider

Ok. I've been retired since 93. Things change. Sure didn't intend to offend you with what I thought was a helpful comment.

Sorry if it sounded that way. I wasn't trying to say anything. I was in from 83 to 87, the first two years in Germany.

I just wanted to lay out where I was.

/sorry again.

639 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:52pm

re: #494 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

You should vote. Calculated risk.

640 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:21:42pm

re: #626 ArmyWife

Hoosier, Lincoln and his emancipation was simple political expediency - his goal was to keep the Union together and he really didn't give a rats behind about social equality. Luckily, it was the right outcome even if done for the wrong reasons. The Civil War was not about Slavery, either. Again, the outcome was right - but the myths are much more romantic than the truth.


Good evening..hope you and your family are well tonight..
See those bold words above? I've been told that before.. It may be true..
/Also my coach was my history teacher in high school..believe it or not..I carried B's...Don't tell a soul :)
//really..I hear what you are saying...I liked the result...the bane of most american political history..

641 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:23pm

re: #640 HoosierHoops

Sherman's assessment of the cause of the Civil War is probably the best:

Gentlemen, slaves, and cotton

642 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:18pm

re: #340 J.S.

The date of his last program was Oct. 16 -- here's a transcript of his final program...Beck expressed his fear that if Obama is elected, it will translate into a filibuster-proof Congress -- with Nancy Pelosi the de facto Prime Minister. Beck also dispelled the notion that Obama intends to make the U.S. energy independent or that Obama intends to allowing drilling off-shore -- Obama would never allow off-shore drilling...etc.

Oh, Glenn Beck doesn't say he was fired -- he just says he has accepted an offer with Fox News to do a tv gig at Fox, beginning in the Spring of 2009...and then, he was yanked off the air...(I suspect the parting was not a "happy" parting...I believe -- I suspect -- that Beck was pushed off the air...and it may have been due to Beck's refusal to soft pedal what an Obama Presidency would look like. And, I find it especially odd that Beck being silenced would occur 2 weeks prior to the election...sounds to me like it was coercive...not voluntary...but that's speculation on my part, and I could be wrong...as in, "yeah, Beck suddenly up and quits CNN 2 weeks before Nov. 4" -- that I don't buy.)

I agree. Thanks.

643 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:47pm

re: #634 talon_262

I somehow doubt that you or your "Republican" family (that "vowed to vote Obama because of Palin")ever had any intentions of voting McCain/Palin, so please forgive me for laughing, snorting, and chortling heartily in your general direction.

/need I say more?

Move over, I will join you in the laugh/snort/chortle and add a gaffaw. . .

644 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:28pm

re: #626 ArmyWife

Hoosier, Lincoln and his emancipation was simple political expediency - his goal was to keep the Union together and he really didn't give a rats behind about social equality. Luckily, it was the right outcome even if done for the wrong reasons. The Civil War was not about Slavery, either. Again, the outcome was right - but the myths are much more romantic than the truth.

The history of the Civil War has been written by Democrats for the past century. Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist in the same way Obama isn't a socialist. He couldn't get the votes to become president running as a "Radical Republican". The Civil War not being about slavery is just post-reconstruction propoganda. No secession, not Civil War. The secession was all about hostilities between slave holders and abolitionists.

645 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:31pm

re: #632 kansas

Lincoln wasn't anti slavery, just pro union and freed the slaves as a way to screw the south. And yes the price was high, the burden great, yada yada yada, but I don't think it had to be. I think with time the slavery issue would have solved itself. But per usual the Northern Liberals had to have their way, and here they come again. I'm surprised they don't spread out and kill us all right now.


Well hopefully by 2008..and a million less souls...
/ on another note...Damn Kansas ..great college team this year...did you pick kansas in your bracket? I didn't..

646 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #553 The Archivist

I think that where the real discrepancy arises (character-wise, between Obama and Palin), is that Obama is without scruples. Note the number of people who have been "thrown under the bus" -- the list is long. No matter who they are -- whether it's his own grandmother -- if it becomes opportune to rid himself of them, Obama unceremoniously does so. It's not a big deal. In Obama's so-called "Lincoln address" (omg, what a joke) he made all those claims about how he'd never be able to divorce himself from Reverend Wright, as if Wright were Obama's next of kin...next moment, Obama's signing the papers, doing away with his "good buddy"...(as I laugh -- but Wright, was unperturbed -- sayin' he knows what Obama has gotta do to win votes...and it's called political expediency.) In this election, should Obama win, then all of us will have been given an object lesson into the nature of "political expediency", and how to tell outright lies which can trump truth and honesty. Should Obama become leader, then it'll be a rather sorry statement with respect to the judgment of the American people (electing in effect an unscrupulous charlatan, liar and fraud) ...but, I believe, in the long run, America will survive and prosper...

647 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #637 Tigger2005

My ex-wife had an abortion while we were married. She was diabetic and had decided even before our marriage that she would not have a child. I think her mother would have pressured her to have one even if she'd wanted to keep the baby, not because her mother was a terrible person, but because she was very protective (my ex-wife was a preemie) and wouldn't have wanted my ex to risk her health.

Neither of us talked much about the abortion before or after, and I think it was one of a number of things that eventually pulled us apart. But although I have very unpleasant memories of that time and often wish I had at least tried to persuade my ex-wife to see the pregnancy through, I have no idea why it should bother me or make me feel like a bad person because Palin and her husband made the decision to keep their handicapped child. All I feel is happiness and admiration for them.

Probably for the same reason I feel like my decision to keep my child was one of the most unselfish acts of love I have ever performed, and if I ran for office. . .I would be eviscerated for my stupidity. . .

Of course, if they found out my "stupidity" led to an American man wearing a Marine uniform. . . oh wait. . .

648 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:26pm

Dear Abby,

I have been a life long Republican and conservative. However since John McCain picked Sarah Palin, I have decided to vote for an inexperienced borderline communist who lied about public financing for his election and won't release any of his records. Am I insane?

Signed,

Confused

Dear Confused,

Yes you are insane dear. Please get back on your medication.

Abby

649 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:55pm

re: #648 kansas

Dear Abby,

I have been a life long Republican and conservative. However since John McCain picked Sarah Palin, I have decided to vote for an inexperienced borderline communist who lied about public financing for his election and won't release any of his records. Am I insane?

Signed,

Confused

Dear Confused,

Yes you are insane dear. Please get back on your medication.

Abby

ROTFLMFAO!

650 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:46pm

re: #645 HoosierHoops

Well hopefully by 2008..and a million less souls...
/ on another note...Damn Kansas ..great college team this year...did you pick kansas in your bracket? I didn't..

No. The coach is too fat.

651 AceR  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:50pm

re: #392 wolfie

I agree with your post 100% And my heartfelt thanks to the many brave Americans who have fought for our country. You are my heroes.

652 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:07pm

re: #556 Who Watches the Watchmen?

... in the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the "May 19 Coalition" and the "Prairie Fire Collective" — with Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers in the latter. ...

May 19th was the birthdate of Malcolm-X and of Ho Chi Minh.

653 Treesarie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:29pm

re: #637 Tigger2005

Your wife was sick and her health was at risk, that is different than many other reasons that people have convinced themselves to have one. I am a hospice nurse and many I have met at the end have regretted their decision. My sister in law is tortured 30 years later. I do not want to be in anyone else's situation or make a decision for them. It is really none of my business, but the fact remains that some people suffer inside forever, that is a truth I have witnessed first hand.

654 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:53pm

re: #638 x-wing

Sorry if it sounded that way. I wasn't trying to say anything. I was in from 83 to 87, the first two years in Germany.

I just wanted to lay out where I was.

/sorry again.

Ok all is right in the world. ;-)>

655 talon_262  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:08pm

re: #621 Dirk Diggler

Killgore Trout,

The word "defection" implies that those people were on our side to begin with. Colin Powell was a disaster as Secretary of State and never in any way conservative on the issues. Good riddance. Christopher Hitchens is an avowed Trotskyite as well as a notorious Israel hater and anti-religious bigot. I knew that he, like Andrew Sullivan, would eventually bail on the War on Terror and he has. Once again, good riddance. I like how he accused Palin of being "uncurious" about foreign policy. I'd like to know how he knows that. I never heard of Buckley's son until he wrote that big whiny piece accusing National Review of tossing him out. I seriously doubt anyone will ever hear from him again.

Seriously Killgore what specifically is your beef with Sarah Palin? Be honest.

She's the most fiscally conservative candidate in this race. So the fact that she's not a fiscal conservative can't be it. Does she have a great deal of foreign policy experience? Well as governor of an American state she has as much foreign policy experience as Ronald Reagan did when he ran for the presidency in 1980. She might not have sat on as many Senate foreign relations committees as Barack Obama or Joe Biden, but she also doesn't have their exhaustive track record of getting all the major foreign policy issues spanning three decades wrong.

Does it come down to social issues? Do you dislike her because she's an unapologetic evangelical Christian?

DING DING DING...we have a winnah!

656 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:41pm

re: #653 Treesarie

Your wife was sick and her health was at risk, that is different than many other reasons that people have convinced themselves to have one. I am a hospice nurse and many I have met at the end have regretted their decision. My sister in law is tortured 30 years later. I do not want to be in anyone else's situation or make a decision for them. It is really none of my business, but the fact remains that some people suffer inside forever, that is a truth I have witnessed first hand.

Which is why I do not understand why the Left is so opposed to education about the "procedure". . .isn't informed consent supposed to be, well. . informed?

657 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:32:01pm

re: #648 kansas

Dear Abby,

I have been a life long Republican and conservative. However since John McCain picked Sarah Palin, I have decided to vote for an inexperienced borderline communist who lied about public financing for his election and won't release any of his records. Am I insane?

Signed,

Confused

Dear Confused,

Yes you are insane dear. Please get back on your medication.

Abby

LOL
good one!

658 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:33:42pm

re: #632 kansas

Lincoln wasn't anti slavery, just pro union and freed the slaves as a way to screw the south. And yes the price was high, the burden great, yada yada yada, but I don't think it had to be. I think with time the slavery issue would have solved itself. But per usual the Northern Liberals had to have their way, and here they come again. I'm surprised they don't spread out and kill us all right now.

It wasn't just Lincoln. The whole country was caught up in passion, and reasoned, rational voices were in short supply. The Kansas/Missouri border war was sheer savagery.

But frankly, this idea that the war wasn't about slavery, but "states' rights," just because Lincoln said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave, is pure fiction, kansas. Without slavery there would have been no conflict. Without slavery the South would have had a very different culture and economic structure, and would have been tied more closely to the North.

659 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:38pm

re: #646 J.S.

Should Obama become leader, then it'll be a rather sorry statement with respect to the judgment of the American people (electing in effect an unscrupulous charlatan, liar and fraud) ...but, I believe, in the long run, America will survive and prosper...

Sorry ain't the half of it. I'm not really upset about Obama per se. I expect, or at least am not surprised, to see naked ambition and ruthless expediency in a politician. What truly distresses me is that so many of my fellow citizens seem to think this is fine, unquestioningly following the Pied Pipers of the media, like lemmings off a cliff.
And with as poor as our education system is and how it deliberately stamps out critical thinking, we're just going to get more mindless voters in the future.......this is not the country I grew up in.

660 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:05pm

re: #658 Tigger2005

It wasn't just Lincoln. The whole country was caught up in passion, and reasoned, rational voices were in short supply. The Kansas/Missouri border war was sheer savagery.

But frankly, this idea that the war wasn't about slavery, but "states' rights," just because Lincoln said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave, is pure fiction, kansas. Without slavery there would have been no conflict. Without slavery the South would have had a very different culture and economic structure, and would have been tied more closely to the North.

Slavery was on it's way out anyway. The importation of slaves had been illegal since at least 1794. The root causes of the War are far deeper and too complex for this small forum, such as the South being an agrarian society and the North an industrial. But, the sales of crops and products in the South were controlled by markets in the North and shipping was primarily a Northern controlled industry. States rights were the primary issue; slavery was merely one aspect of the States Rights in question.

661 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:06pm

re: #658 Tigger2005

It wasn't just Lincoln. The whole country was caught up in passion, and reasoned, rational voices were in short supply. The Kansas/Missouri border war was sheer savagery.

But frankly, this idea that the war wasn't about slavery, but "states' rights," just because Lincoln said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave, is pure fiction, kansas. Without slavery there would have been no conflict. Without slavery the South would have had a very different culture and economic structure, and would have been tied more closely to the North.

Well, other than the "pure fiction" part I can't disagree. This issue was complex, and I'm a lot of years out of college history and 30 years into another profession. But the emancipation proclamation was not just altruistic in freeing the slaves, it was a move to weaken the south, and Lincoln was not really anti-slavery or pro equal rights as he has been painted. In addition he tromped upon some pretty basic constitutional rights to get his way and ended up being responsible for the deaths of many US citizens. I suggest you read "Lincoln Unmasked" for a perspective that shows Lincoln in a different light. Up until Lincoln, the Union had been voluntary. After Lincoln it was at gun point.

662 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:02pm

re: #661 kansas

Well, other than the "pure fiction" part I can't disagree. This issue was complex, and I'm a lot of years out of college history and 30 years into another profession. But the emancipation proclamation was not just altruistic in freeing the slaves, it was a move to weaken the south, and Lincoln was not really anti-slavery or pro equal rights as he has been painted. In addition he tromped upon some pretty basic constitutional rights to get his way and ended up being responsible for the deaths of many US citizens. I suggest you read "Lincoln Unmasked" for a perspective that shows Lincoln in a different light. Up until Lincoln, the Union had been voluntary. After Lincoln it was at gun point.

Ummm, that's written as one word, "gunpoint."

663 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:14pm

re: #662 Moe Katz

Ummm, that's written as one word, "gunpoint."

You owe me a keyboard you shit. : )

664 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:23pm

re: #663 kansas

You owe me a keyboard you shit. : )


Sorry :)

665 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:11pm

re: #618 arethusa

No, he was attacking the Palin-haters, not justifying them.

Okay. Didn't see the spot just the quotes. I guess I'm just too sensitive
when it comes to people talking about something they have no right discussing. As in, "NONE OF THEIR F...... BUSINESS!

THANKS.

666 kansas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:25pm

re: #664 Moe Katz

Sorry :)


Or is it key board? Hey, I'm gonna take off now. This thread is getting so many comments it's getting aggravating waiting for the pointer to react. Goodnight Moe. Or is it Good Night, Moe. Or.....oh forget it.

667 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #666 kansas

Or is it key board? Hey, I'm gonna take off now. This thread is getting so many comments it's getting aggravating waiting for the pointer to react. Goodnight Moe. Or is it Good Night, Moe. Or.....oh forget it.

Goodnight, Kansas. If you were going to stick around I'd have given you the Canadian perspective. The War Between the States was going on when this union of colonies was being framed, and it affected how our own system of gov't was designed.

668 right_in_canada  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:10pm

re: #10 Fenway_Nation

In other news, the sky is blue, the ocean is wet and a Cathoilic bear took a dump somewhere in the woods.

> THIS just in !

The pope is Catholic, grass is green , and shit stinks !

669 Penguinchic  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:59pm

re: #599 Tigger2005

I got to say that lately I am feeling like the nomination of Sarah Palin has allowed male moonbats to show their inner feelings toward women and I don't think it has anything to do with her being a Republican. I think it has to do with their lack of respect for all women and they just feel like they can get away with it because they are going after women they see are beneath them.

670 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:39pm

re: #668 right_in_canada

> THIS just in !

The pope is Catholic, grass is green , and shit stinks !


Not mine.

671 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:58pm

re: #494 Killgore Trout

That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not here trying to persuade people to jump ship. I'm not personally endorsing the Republican ticket but I'll cheer you guys on.

I'm sorry, but I don't want you cheering me on. Go work an Obama phone bank or something.

672 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:47pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Her lack of experience combined with McCain's age and health is a serious concern. If McCain was young and fit it wouldn't concern me as much. I see her as the mirror of Obama. Conservatives are really enamored of the whole small town "folksy" thing, but most politicians (Fred Thompson, Dubbya, etc) put than on as a charm but they have experience and education behind them. When that experience and education is gone then all you're left with is a folksy empty suit. It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarrassing. If she'd spent some more time as a governor, had a record of accomplishments and a little more experience handling herself with the press she would have done fine. I think she was put in the spotlight too early.

"It just doesn't work for me. In fact I find her sort of embarassing."

Oh, these are SUCH good reasons for not doing your part to prevent a damn America-hating SOCIALIST from taking over this country and quite likely fucking it up beyond repair. You actually think she would do WORSE than Obama and Biden?

Never mind, don't answer. I've written you off.

673 J.S.  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:00pm

re: #669 Penguinchic

I also had a similar impression when I read a column in the National Post -- yet another turn-coat for Obama who (supposedly) "switched" positions due to Palin -- yeah, sure...I suspect it's a lame, sorry excuse for something else, something (i'm guessing) which runs a bit deeper...It's possibly misogynistic, or maybe the individual had no intentions whatsoever of voting the Republican ticket in the first place, and now finds "Palin bashing" (the PalinDerangementSyndrome) a handy/convenient excuse...They can ditch McCain and then jump on (what they figure) is The Zero's bandwagon...all and all -- Pathetic.

674 GoldwaterGirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:13:16pm

I love how they blame McCain for his negative coverage.

675 Malleus Dei  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:21:17pm

This country's blatantly anti-American Leftist media will be the ruin of us all.

676 Malleus Dei  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:22pm

"And with as poor as our education system is and how it deliberately stamps out critical thinking, we're just going to get more mindless voters in the future.......this is not the country I grew up in."

Nor the one I want to live in. If this country is populated by voters stupid enought to elect an empty suit Manchurian Candidate of a Leftist then it doesn't need me any more.

677 Ron Shaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:04:01am

Whoda thunk it!

678 realwest  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:31:56am

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