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Zombie: Billy Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto, 'Prairie Fire'

Politics | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:19:08 pm PDT

In an exclusive report linked here for the first time, Zombie has acquired a copy of a long-forgotten book by Barack Obama associate Bill Ayers, wife Bernardine Dohrn, and two other Weather Underground members, dedicated to RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan, written while they were in hiding from the authorities: William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire.

The key points that this document brings out:

Ayers was not simply protesting “against” the Vietnam War. Firstly, he wasn’t against war in principle, he was agitating for the victory of the communist forces in Vietnam. In other words: He wasn’t against the war, he was against our side in the war. This is spelled out in great detail in Prairie Fire. Secondly, and more significantly, the Vietnam War was only one of many issues cited by the Weather Undergound as the justifications for their violent acts. As you will see below, in various quotes from Prairie Fire and in their own list of their violent actions (and in additional impartial documentary links), Ayers and the Weather Underground enumerated dozens of different grievances as the rationales for their bombings — their overarching goal being to inspire a violent mass uprising against the United States government in order to establish a communist “dictatorship of the proletariat,” in Ayers’ own words.

Ayers and his co-authors freely brag about their bombings and other violent and illegal acts, and even provide a detailed list, most likely typed up by Ayers himself, of the crimes they had committed up to that point. Ayers’ list, scanned directly from Prairie Fire, is shown below. He may have escaped conviction due to a legal technicality (the prosecutors failed to get a warrant during some of their surveillance of the Weather Underground), but this in no way means that Ayers was factually inncoent of the crimes. As has been widely reported, after the case against him was dropped, Ayers decribed himself as “guilty as hell, free as a bird.”

Just because Ayers tries to appear respectable now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a violent revolutionary in the past. In fact, as the text of Prairie Fire shows, Ayers was one of the most extreme extremists in American political history. And as the links given as the end of this essay prove, Ayers is just as politically radical now as he was back then. He has never renounced the political views he professed in the 1960s and 1970s. The only difference is that now he no longer commits violence to achieve his goals. After his stint as the leader of the Weather Underground, he shifted to a different tactic: to spread his ideology under the aegis of academia. But the goal remains the same: to turn America into a communist nation. Ayers’ contemporary writings contain many of the same ideas (and even the same phrases) found in Prairie Fire, just toned down to make them more palatable in polite society.

Zombie includes copyright-free scans of the document and its cover.

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1 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:19:59pm

Burn away the veils!

2 Truck Monkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:00pm

Is this the one we've been waiting for?

3 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:34pm

Let the head-explosions commence!

4 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:40pm

Say what?

5 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:55pm

re: #2 Truck Monkey

Is this the one we've been waiting for?

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

6 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:00pm

I would love to see them behind bars.
Smug bastard.

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:08pm

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

8 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:50pm

Sunset on the San Gabriel Mountains. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

May we see a sunset on 0bama's public life, soon.

I am so tired of seeing his face everywhere.

9 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:01pm

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

10 ruswmrun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:13pm

A tree falling in the forest.... It isn't going to make any sound; because no one is listening.

11 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:27pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

No disappointment a tall! This is one more cigarette-lighter to the fuze of Obama's self-immolation!

12 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:33pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

It won't disappoint. I'm going to see to it that every Obama supporter I know sees this!

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:56pm

re: #10 ruswmrun

GAZE.

14 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:13pm

I would get this material into Hannity's hands. I understand he is not a huge fan of Mr. Ayers.

15 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:25pm

Nice job, Zombie, this should be interesting. I hope you put it right where FOX can find it easily!

16 troonbop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:49pm

Damn, I wish i could be one of those idealistic, fearless revolutionaries...with tenure and a great pension.

17 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:07pm

Zombie,
Fax that sucker to Limbaugh...
=)

18 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:09pm

Very thorough zombie. Your credentials as a citizen-journalist are strengthening.

19 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:28pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

Yep. I'm not even gonna post this on FB.

But great work, Zombie. For people like us who actually know what the hell is going on, this isn't surprising yet still every bit important.

20 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:55pm

re: #3 zombie
wow ! wow!

21 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:57pm

Woot! Thanks, Zombie. Going to check it out right now.

22 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:24pm

Thank you, Zombie, for working so hard on our behalf, for being the kind of American we can be proud of. This lizard salutes you.

23 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:24pm

re: #14 wright1

I would get this material into Hannity's hands. I understand he is not a huge fan of Mr. Ayers.

No, give it to O'Reilly. He'll be able to hit the hardest with it.

24 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:25pm

re: #17 anotherindyfilmguy

Zombie,
Fax that sucker to Limbaugh...
=)

Limbaugh reads LGF.

25 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:26pm

Where does the hippie with a pencil come in? Are there marginal notes to reveal?

26 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

But they do so out of ignorance. I think that if the average person knew thing one about Che Guevara, they'd plotz.

27 Truck Monkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:13pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

Not disappointing at all. I am putting on a bib, going to dig in, and then send to friends and loved ones across the country!

28 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:30pm

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

29 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:34pm

One of the defenses BHO throws out there is that Republicans sat on the Woods Foundation Board as well. Well, they should be called out for that - there is no excuse for that.

But that is still a far cry from socializing with this cretin, God forbid begining your political campaign with Ayers as your guru.

30 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:35pm

Pretty clear from his own hand. He is an unrepentant communist guerilla. As is his wife.

31 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:38pm

re: #26 zombie

But they do so out of ignorance. I think that if the average person knew thing one about Che Guevara, they'd plotz.

Che was a murdering thug who didn't suffer enough before dying.

32 red satellite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:46pm

The clever graphics on the cover....such superior intellect. I can see why liberals love him. They're all trapped in 1st grade.

33 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:51pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

I suspect they did and approve of it or do not give a damn.

34 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:13pm

Wow! I am mighty impressed. Great detective work. (Should earn you a pulitzer but you know how that goes.)

This isn't just communism with a little 'c.'

This is BIG 'C' Communism.

I'm sending it to all my intel people.

The American people can NEVER EVER, EVER say they Haven't been warned!

35 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:27pm

re: #25 Ojoe

Where does the hippie with a pencil come in? Are there marginal notes to reveal?

There were marginal notes and underlines galore, made with a grubby pencil, which I had to make disappear. An extremely laborious process.

36 StudSupreme  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:48pm

Think what a truly miserable existence Bill Ayers must have.

Just imagine waking up every morning as Bill Ayers, going to the bathroom, looking in the mirror, and having to behold the monstruous corruption reflected back at you.

37 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:55pm

re: #26 zombie

I think the whitewashing of communism has gone on for too long and run too deep. It's not just Che, it's Mao, it's Castro. People just have no idea how deadly communism has been, therefore they don't see the problem with commies. Most people think the Vietnam war was wrong, so I don't think they'll see the problem with this manifesto, although they should.

38 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:59pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.


Not meant to slight any ones hard work.

39 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:04pm

I can't help but ask the question, where did you find this? Maybe I do not want to know.

40 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:10pm

Not factually innocent, you mean. But apart from quibbling about typos, the important thing here is that Ayers has an idea with the potential to have great effect. I wouldn't call it a good idea, mind you, but from the point of view of his side in this struggle, it's a good move.

The idea is to radicalize the next generation. Win for the far left some measure of control over education. Radicalize the teachers by getting them to emulate the Annenberg project's activities in Chicago. Eventually, if it works, you'll be able to walk into power on votes, just like Ortega did in Nicaragua. Killing is good clean fun, and Ayers isn't the least bit sorry he tried it, but if it doesn't work, you have to try another tactic. He's on Plan B. And Obama has fellow-traveled, at the very least, with this Plan B.

Let's hope they were each cynically using the other. The O'President, all but anointed in his own mind and quite possibly soon to be anointed for real, has thrown everybody and every idea under the bus as it became inconvenient. Dare we hope that this Plan B, too, is not a principle of his?

41 wheelz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:11pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

+1 will anyone even bat an eye?

42 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:31pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

Read the essay. The Obamatons are starting to backpedal, and claim Ayers is acceptable company. This stops them cold in their tracks.

43 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:36pm

I'm talking to my mom. She's asking me why the FBI didn't know about this and release it.

Good question, ma.

44 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:37pm

" In other words: He (Ayerrs) wasn’t against the war, he was against our side in the war."

Everything old is new again, eh?

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:47pm

re: #41 wheelz

No. They won't.

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:57pm

OHHHHHHHH! Just a guy in the neighborhood.

Obama will sleep well, of course. He agrees with Ayers, at least upon many things.

Obama's handlers won't dare leave the vicinity of the toilet.

47 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:05pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

It's up to 3200+ now. I suspect many have read it and approve its message.

48 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:11pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

I think the whitewashing of communism has gone on for too long and run too deep. It's not just Che, it's Mao, it's Castro. People just have no idea how deadly communism has been, therefore they don't see the problem with commies. Most people think the Vietnam war was wrong, so I don't think they'll see the problem with this manifesto, although they should.

Tens if not hundreds of millions killed by Communism in one shape or the other.

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:29pm
The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war.


Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

50 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:39pm

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:40pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

Hell, no. Great job!

52 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:47pm

re: #39 wright1

I can't help but ask the question, where did you find this? Maybe I do not want to know.

You do not want to know. Some things cannot be said.

53 tripletdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:59pm

Pretty RED cover, there, Mr. Ayers.

54 a marine mom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:09pm

Now there's a friend I'm glad I don't have!

55 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:17pm

re: #19 TheMatrix31

I posted it on FB and my blog - and my husbands FB because mysteriously I have no friends. And I am chasing away my husbands friends because he went to High School in Vermont and have all decided I am a corrupt force of evil. But it fun comments. Want to be my FB friend so I don't look like such a loser?

56 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:20pm

re: #31 Perplexed

Che was a murdering thug who didn't suffer enough before dying.

For anyone on facebook, there is a group "Che Guevara Was a Murderer and Your T-Shirt is Not Cool." They're 50-60K strong.

57 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:20pm

Good find, Zombie.

I saw 0bama's blurb on OReilly/Greta last night.

58 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:26pm

re: #35 zombie

Ah well, thanks for your work.

I remember a less bad organization in my college days called "Movement for a New Society" same kind of goals, but renouncing violence.

59 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:31pm

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

60 Magalaga Ding Dong  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:40pm

Looks and sounds like a lot of the material that was taught in a few of my English Lit courses at Western Oregon University. At one point, the lecture was getting so ridiculous I asked the teacher to identify himself as Marxist since he was preaching it with such fervor, and he couldn't deny it.
/Donate now to your local university

61 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:55pm

Is anyone notifying Drudge and Fox?

This is news.

62 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:32:07pm

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" and "spreading the wealth".

How similar, how thematic.

63 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:32:48pm

Zombie, as always your hard work is much appreciated and admired.
But it is starting to become obvious that many people in this country are thinking that communism would not be so bad.
Look at Obama - the guy almost admits he is a socialist.

Unfortunately Ayers and friends could have killed thousands of Americans - and the left would only love him and Obama more.

Al Queda is no longer our main enemy. It is Ayers and his thousands (millions?)of communist friends that pose a greater danger to this country.

I am completely disgusted with the so called Democrat party who is going to try to destroy this nation.

64 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:33:34pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

I think Ayers finally figured that out sometime in the '80s when he started getting professorships and positive press from his former chums, now all in the media.

65 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:33:48pm

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

It springs to mind.

66 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:11pm

re: #55 ArmyWife

I posted it on FB and my blog - and my husbands FB because mysteriously I have no friends. And I am chasing away my husbands friends because he went to High School in Vermont and have all decided I am a corrupt force of evil. But it fun comments. Want to be my FB friend so I don't look like such a loser?

Sure. How can I get you my name?

67 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:17pm

Sent an email to the guys at Powerline, put up a thread in their forum.

68 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:21pm

This son of a bitch has molded B-HO to what he is today. That the media absolutely refuses to talk about this, while being fully aware of B-HO's relationship with them, plus his "reverend", the Nation of Islam, and others that are openly seditious to the United States; is simply mind-boggling. With B-HO's willing accomplices in Congress, they are plainly stating their goals of making the United States a Socialist/Communist nation, pure and simple. The (sym)pathetic MSM knows they will be exempt from the rules that the B-HO administration will bring down on our nation. I'll bet BIG money that B-HO will make extensive use of the Executive Order and simply bypass Congress when it's convenient for him to do so.

Just eleven days until our nation decides what it wants to be.

69 Midwestprof  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:22pm

re: #47 HDrepub

It's up to 3200+ now. I suspect many have read it and approve its message.

IMO they ought to reorganize the HUAC and go after those bastards. Gives the rest of us a bad name. Good-for-nothing, piece of shit libtards!

70 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:50pm

99.9% of those who wear Che t-shirts have no idea that he would randomly pick people as enemies of the state, put a pistol to their heads, and blow their brains out.

Their image is of a pot-smoking laid-back rebel, who wanted peace and groovie-ness.

In short, they are utterly ignorant fools.

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:50pm

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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72 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #52 zombie


Thankful nonetheless...

73 DisgustingOratory  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:56pm

When you read this, it's clear these types are the most pro-war people there are. As in civil war.

74 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:10pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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I posted it on StumbleUpon!

75 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:12pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

(1) THEY won't get to be the ruling class. The best they can hope for is to be an honored guest in a foreign country.
(2) There's more money and therefore power to "build socialism" in a capitalist country. Once the place is already fully socialist, it's a dump!

76 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:15pm

re: #63 ghost707

The Democrats voted on party lines against the 13th amendment outlawing slavery, in 1865.

So you see, they have a history.

77 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:28pm
78 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:56pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Because they want to destroy the United States. The drive toward communism is really nothing more than an infantile desire to defeat the authority/daddy-figure. They don't give a good god-damn about Cuba or Russia or anywhere else. They only exist as training grounds for the real end-game, which is toppling the US.

79 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:57pm

E-mailed to Glenn Beck.

80 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:06pm

I LOVE YOU, ZOMBIE!

81 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:09pm

B-HO, Ayers, and Farrakhan all live in the same damn neighborhood! But, I'm guessing that is purely coincidence, right?

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:09pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

Now that's messed up.

83 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:10pm

ayers is holding his putrid commie breath, hoping his puppet gets elected.
it is then he will try to push his insidious agenda to bring us to our knees.
what has happened to america that allowed the enemy to get so close?

84 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:12pm

Got to pack. Early am flight and got to return the rental car.

'Night.

85 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:17pm

re: #79 Palandine

E-mailed to Glenn Beck.

Hannity. . .

86 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:32pm

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

87 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:33pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Besides the obvious, that they talk a good game but don't want to give up the luxuries of freedom, communists believe that communism can never truly work and move on the final stage until the whole world is communist.

So America must be destroyed. There are other places of freedom sure, but really, once we're gone, who will be left to stop the easy take-over of the rest?

88 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:37pm

Thanks for publicizing this, Zombie. Americans don't yet realize how close they are to putting a true believer of this garbage into the White House. Obama getting elected would be a validation of the ideas laid out in this publication by Ayers and Dohrn - communism.

89 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:50pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

Now that's messed up.

Forgiving him. . .I guess. . .

90 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:04pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

THAT is one thing I think would be considered scandalous.

91 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:11pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

Yes, but now Obama is on record as describing Bill Ayers as a respected academic reformer. He linked himself, at least in soundbytes.

92 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:22pm

re: #57 jetprop

Good find, Zombie.

I saw 0bama's blurb on OReilly/Greta last night.

I'm crossing my fingers this new post will get similar coverage!

93 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:24pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

.....and people who sit out the election.

94 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:32pm

re: #90 wolfie

THAT is one thing I think would be considered scandalous.

But, its the JEWS remember. . oh wait. . .

95 Purple Prose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:48pm

Follow the money:

[Link: marathonpundit.blogspot.com...]

96 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:50pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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Digg it here: [Link: digg.com...]

97 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:01pm

re: #93 twincitiesgirl

.....and people who sit out the election.

For reasons that do not make any clear logical sense. . .

98 KingKenrod  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:03pm

Obama was this guy's pal for at least a decade. He claims that he thought Ayers was reformed.

Even if you take Obama's statements on Ayers as truth, would you want someone that gullible and ignorant to be president? Someone who is such a poor judge of character? What other thugs will he think have been reformed? Who else is he going to trust?

99 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:11pm

Zombie, great work.... I think I had a copy of this at one time, I found it in a whole earth catalog at a dome I was building in Alaska. Dunno what happened to it.
I tracked back and linked as well.

100 SWPaul  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:18pm

I hardly think I'll be able to get drunk enough to read this book and his 'White Supremacy' book too. Coin toss time.

101 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:24pm

I've got a real knack for posting at the end of a thread. Hopefully there's something useful here that will excuse a copy:

I went to Google Book Search, but found only a snippet view available for Prairie Fire. [of course now we know what Zombie had brewing--many thanks!].

However, The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground, by Ron Jacobs (1997) is available in full text: [Link: sunrisedancer.com...]
That may be a helpful add-on for Zombie's work.

And for the humor of it, there's also a romantic fiction work with the same Prairie Fire title [by Catherine Palmer, 1998]. It had these blurbs attached:

In "Prairie Fire," the flames that threaten to consume the town called Hope are overcome by the flood of love and forgiveness in the hearts of...
and
The fictional town of Hope discovers the importance of forgiveness, overcoming prejudice, and the dangers of keeping unhealthy...

How weird is that?

102 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:35pm

Major kudos to you, Zombie! The Kennedy lovers are going to have a hard time with the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

103 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:37pm

ok guys
start linking and sending this to EVERYONE every blog you read, everyone on your e-mail list EVERYONE
lets see how fast we can get this into the mainstream

104 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:06pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

And yet I somehow don't see the Kennedy clan renouncing Ayers and then the O', at least not before the election is over...

105 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:07pm

Lots of US citizens simply don't give a shit. They want their video games, their reality shows, and to be the boss at their new job at age 22. People like that need to stay away from the polls and let the adults take charge.

106 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:15pm

re: #91 Scion9

Yes, but now Obama is on record as describing Bill Ayers as a respected academic reformer. He linked himself, at least in soundbytes.

I was sold long ago. I'm just skeptical about making it stick where it counts.

107 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:17pm

Thank you Zombie - I am reading thru the material and I am sickened by how many of their stated goals they have actually achieved, or are about to achieve.

They are dedicated in their evil cause. WE need to be equally as dedicated in our good one.

And may I add, if God be for us, who can be against us?

108 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:19pm

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

109 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #85 DisturbedEma

Hannity. . .

Glenn might actually reach a few undecideds. Off to send to Drudge...

110 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:37pm

re: #102 livefreeor die

Major kudos to you, Zombie! The Kennedy lovers are going to have a hard time with the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

Yeah, until you realize he never cam clean on Chappaquidick

111 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:53pm

re: #9 wright1

I suspect they did, and most of them wish they had written it.

112 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:57pm

re: #65 Ojoe

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

It springs to mind.

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

113 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:01pm

Communists suck.

114 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:09pm

I sent the link to Rush, and Heritage.

115 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:20pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

116 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #86 rawmuse

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

I cannot say.

117 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #78 zombie

Because they want to destroy the United States. The drive toward communism is really nothing more than an infantile desire to defeat the authority/daddy-figure. They don't give a good god-damn about Cuba or Russia or anywhere else. They only exist as training grounds for the real end-game, which is toppling the US.

I find it interesting that I can't seem to find what they actually wish to achieve, other than destruction. Okay - so you smashed the Man. Now what?

118 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:31pm

re: #85 DisturbedEma

Hannity. . .

Greta...

119 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:35pm

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

120 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:39pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Being a communist revolutionary is only anything other than drudgery and pain when you are a daring operative bringing down the evil democracies in this world, then it's so very exciting.

Lots of drugs, sex, violence (mostly imagined), rock and roll.

121 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:01pm

re: #115 wolfie

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

Yep, for sure. . .

122 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:04pm

There are 3 copies available at [Link: www.abebooks.com...] for those who have $75+

123 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:04pm

re: #108 DistantThunder

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

But Obama was only 12 in 1974

124 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:07pm
125 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:12pm

Aaaggghhh!

I just knew this would pop up minutes after I left the site. Off to have myself a good read now.

126 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:22pm

re: #92 zombie

I'm crossing my fingers this new post will get similar coverage!

Ditto, just sent it with Greta..

127 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:35pm

re: #110 DisturbedEma

Yeah, until you realize he never cam clean on Chappaquidick

Ah, but no Kennedys died there. That's always the key issue for their rabid followers. Now if Teddy had killed one of his fatherless nieces or nephews, history might have been different (and thank God he didn't kill one of them, just to be clear).

128 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:41pm

re: #120 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Being a communist revolutionary is only anything other than drudgery and pain when you are a daring operative bringing down the evil democracies in this world, then it's so very exciting.

Lots of drugs, sex, violence (mostly imagined), rock and roll.


Yeah, like the frat party on Dad's birthday 300 miles away from home

129 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:57pm

I thought something about this book sounded familiar.

Both books use “storms” and “horizons” both as metaphor and as reality. Ayers writes poetically of an “unbounded horizon,” and Obama writes of “boundless prairie storms” and poetic horizons—“violet horizon,” “eastern horizon,” “western horizon.”

Either Ayers was aided and abetted Obama in his writing or Obama was familiar with and influenced by Ayers writing.

130 readytofight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:04pm

Great job, Zombie. Keep it coming.

131 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:10pm

sent it to Drudge. great work, Zombie.

132 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:12pm

re: #126 jetprop

Ditto, just sent it with Greta..

PIMF: with to

133 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:30pm

re: #117 mama winger

I find it interesting that I can't seem to find what they actually wish to achieve, other than destruction. Okay - so you smashed the Man. Now what?

Phase 1: Collect underpants.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit

134 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:39pm

re: #26 zombie

If a knew a journalist I could trust, I know someone who could give a great interview on Che. The left would not be happy.

135 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:41pm

B-HO is certainly guilty of lousy judgment...for his entire adult life. Why the hell does ANYONE want this punk elected as President? Nothing about him is Presidential. If that jerk ends up as POTUS, you can bet I'll do everything possible to keep my kids from joining the military! His vision of the military (with that asshat Gen McPeak as the likely SecDef) is a nightmare to come for our troops.

136 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #119 sleepyone

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

137 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:16pm

Prairie Fire:
"a searing and timely account of some courageous individuals"
Barack Obama

138 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:23pm

re: #119 sleepyone

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

Something called the Communications Company. There are a few copies available on Amazon.

139 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:25pm

I should have quoted Jack Cashill in post 129

140 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:30pm

I just posted it at supportbillayers.org. I put my name as "Prarie Fire" and my organization as the URL of Zombie's page.

141 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:53pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

Okay. Will do. Thanks.

142 peppermintboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:26pm

i know, right now, I'm on the good side of History. any doubts, if any, have totally vanished. Thanks to you Zombie!
thank you!
Merci!

143 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:41pm

re: #111 de La Valette

Sorry Wolfie - I just read your comment at #33. Greta minds think alike, heh.

144 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #140 gmsc

I just posted it at supportbillayers.org. I put my name as "Prarie Fire" and my organization as the URL of Zombie's page.

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

145 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #122 jemima

There are 3 copies available at [Link: www.abebooks.com...] for those who have $75+

Obama's people will be buying them up like Kerry's people bought up his commie diatribe.

Democrat lurkers, please, think. If your leaders have to COVER UP their beliefs, past, former associates, are you so sure they are the good guys?

146 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:54pm

re: #108 DistantThunder

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

I'm sure they would all find themselves in good company if they weren't so seperated by time.

147 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:54pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

[Link: www.supportbillayers.org...]
Includes a list of those who "signed."

148 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:12pm

Let me guess...
Criticizing this makes me racist.
But if I criticize it, I'm ant-socialist.
Which should make me anti-racist.
But-criticizing this makes me racist.
[repeat loop]

149 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:36pm

don't forget the instapundit

150 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:40pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

What makes you think they'd disagree with this manifesto?

151 TXNavy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:42pm

Perhaps Ayers decided it should adopt a different method to spread his communist filth.

152 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:47pm

re: #144 mama winger

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

It's not 3k. I read the list. It is stuffed full of duplicates, and fakes. Being generous, it's half that.

153 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:48pm

re: #76 Ojoe

That's not the only time they tried keeping them down.
The Democrats did it more recently as well.

154 sandspur  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:53pm

Good, zombie! Thank you as always for your hard work! I linked this on my Facebook so all my college-age relatives and friends can see the truth about the guy their professors support.

155 reno911  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:15pm

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

156 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:15pm

re: #134 de La Valette

If a knew a journalist I could trust, I know someone who could give a great interview on Che. The left would not be happy.

The left would not give a damn.
He was on their side. That's all.

157 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:29pm

re: #144 mama winger

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

I'm going to see if any of my husband's colleagues are on that list. If so, I've got some major league snubbing to do. (He's full professor with tenure so I can snub away!)

158 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:53pm

re: #55 ArmyWife

ArmyWife..I would be honored to be your friend on facebook...IF ya teach me how to blog on there -Do you know how? I have been posting vids on the Democrats,Fannie and Freddy but wanted to put up a full page that I update everyday instead of just on my wall. I see there are a few Blog apps and was wondering if you could recommend one . THANKS!

159 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:08pm

Hey Zombie,

when do we get part 2?

160 Rhino Dryke  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:22pm
161 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:31pm

Okay, I think my prediction was a pretty good guess:

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.


But credit goes to dear old dad who died many, many years ago. When he first saw communist groups like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers he said, "They're planning on taking down the United States from within. That's how they operate."

ZOMBIE, GREAT WORK DESERVING OF A PULITZER.

162 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:38pm

#145 Silhouette

Obama's people will be buying them up like Kerry's people bought up his commie diatribe.

That's right, they probably will. But I have a text copy of Kerry's book, too.
Information can no longer be contained or restricted. Commies will try but they will fail.

163 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:57pm

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

164 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:59pm

P.S.
Don't forget the PUMA's

165 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:21pm

re: #144 mama winger

Tip of the iceberg, mama.

166 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:22pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

The Diggers.

167 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:38pm

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

168 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:39pm

re: #164 rain of lead

SOme of the PUMAs have become regular LGF readers- they will see this.

169 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:56pm

Emailed Rush..

170 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:58pm

All hail Secretary of State, Zombie.

171 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:01pm

re: #155 reno911

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

172 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:03pm

Thanks Zombie -

Haven't seen/heard of that book in over 30 years. -S-

173 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:14pm

Sounds like we have Rush, Beck, Powerline, Drudge covered. Who else?

Anyone have inside connections to Malkin? Ed Morrisey?

I'll try Cap'n Ed.

174 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Revolutionary cry for chaos

175 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Sounds like we have Rush, Beck, Powerline, Drudge covered. Who else?

Anyone have inside connections to Malkin? Ed Morrisey?

I'll try Cap'n Ed.

Send it to Alan Combs. . .over

176 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:28pm

re: #163 DisturbedEma

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

Agreed. That is quite a damning endorsement. I would love to hear the Kennedy's backpedalling on their resolute support for "the One" now.

177 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:31pm

Anyone who doesn't already know what a pile of excrement Ayers and his wife are isn't going to be swayed by this.

I'm sorry but Ayres is a dead issue. If McCain wants to win, he has to focus on economic issues. Fortunately, Obama has given him exactly what he needs to do that.

Why is McCain NOT focused on Obama's main economic adviser, Paul Volcker? The man brought us the 21% prime rate and double-digit unemployment of the early 1980s. Is this who we want giving our next president economic advice?

I'd be focused on Volcker, Samantha Power and Joe Biden's own words from the primaries and his latest "open mouth, insert foot" moment. Two straight weeks of ads in the swing states.

But I'd be playing to win. I can't say that about the McCain campaign I've seen so far.

178 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:42pm

Anything I'd like to say on this would be no good, so I'll hold my tongue ,and stay within the rules out of respect for Charles and this site. These anti-war people often used the names of genuine US military operations as a form of mockery, as in Operation Dewey Canyon for instance, IIRC it was mockingly used in one of the Pentagon marches. The real Operation Prairie Fire
Here, was guerrilla type operations cross border into Laos and North Vietnam.
(Scroll down a bit for map)

More on Dewey Canyon and Prairie Fire Here.

See Here, Dewey Canyon IIII for the mockery by John Kerry's pals, many, many have been proven to be out and out liars and phonies in the last few years.

Thanks Zombie, this never should be forgotten.

179 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:47pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

180 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #174 mama winger

Revolutionary cry for chaos

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

181 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:14pm
182 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:18pm

re: #167 mama winger

Ayers doesn't have that much clout alone, and he isn't at the bottom of that rabbit hole that is Communist infiltration. He was helped along and fast-tracked by a lot of people. Ayers happens to be another person who has benefitted by the work of lots of other traiterous scum, and then paid it forward to Obama.

183 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:35pm

re: #180 DisturbedEma

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

Dig it.

184 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #177 alexknyc

Communism IS an economic issue.

185 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #179 livefreeor die

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

Misspelled!

186 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:54pm

re: #159 rain of lead

Hey Zombie,

when do we get part 2?

I'm gonna keep adding to it later tonight. Have many more links and stuff to add. But I just wanted to get this out there as quickly as possible and not wait until it was absolutely perfectly finished.

187 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:56pm

This thing is going viral, zombie!

188 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:57pm

re: #163 DisturbedEma

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

THAT is the one item that will actually resonate.
The contents of the book don't matter. The fact that he dedicated his radical manifesto to Sirhan Sirhan does matter.

189 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:17pm

There are a lot of people who think that the Weathermen simply wanted to stop the war. This is clearly not true. They wanted North Vietnam to win it.

At some point, I think McCain should ask Obama if the rings that the Ayers were given by the North Vietnamese (who made them from U.S. airplanes they shot down) included some of the metal from John McCain's airplane.

190 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:36pm

It makes sense that this type of a manifesto was out there. Bill Ayers is nothing if not prolific. What's he published 17 books? Somebody like that would have some kind of a history from before. And he's too much of a narcissist not to have put his revolutionary ideas to paper because that's what he does.

Zombie, it was brilliant your putting this (all the clues) together and getting your cold, non-dead hands on this book. Really and truly, deserving of a Pulitzer (I know, I know, the prize has been devalued.... But that's not the point.)

I cannot honor your work enough. Brilliant, just brilliant.

191 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:37pm

Someone needs to add Zombie's page to Wikipedia's Bill Ayers entry.

192 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:55pm

re: #164 rain of lead

P.S.
Don't forget the PUMA's

Absolutely!
Tell the PUMAs about the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

193 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:12pm

Posted a link over at RightNation.

194 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:14pm

re: #191 gmsc

Someone needs to add Zombie's page to Wikipedia's Bill Ayers entry.

And then we can have a pool on how quickly it gets removed.

195 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:18pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

SOme of the PUMAs have become regular LGF readers- they will see this.

For those who are, WELCOME! We are kindred spirits in at least one respect, both of our candidates have had the race card played on them by Obama-nation.

196 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:28pm

re: #183 Silhouette

Dig it.


shudder

197 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:47pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

Someone needs to catch Ted Kennedy when he's sober and show him this.

198 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:49pm

re: #177 alexknyc

There is currently an attempt to 'mainstream' Ayers image by the MSM and Leftist pundits. This isn't just about getting McCain elected. The Ayers story, the long march through the institutions, and the machinations for indoctrinating our children cannot be buried.

199 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #155 reno911

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

200 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:30pm

re: #177 alexknyc

I agree 100% - I think if McCain stays on the Dems about how they have directly caused this who economic collapse he would grab 80% of the independent vote

201 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:47pm

Friend sent me this and figured I'd share since we have discussed this at length on LGF

"There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."

202 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:51pm

re: #180 DisturbedEma

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

203 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #47 HDrepub

So how many of those clowns are working on Federal Dollars of some sort - they just provided President McCain with a good place to start cutting some spending.

If I can get my hands on that list, I will run it against what DoD funds and make an inquiry.

204 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:11pm

#129:
Isn't there a software program that allows for comparison of two works, to check for plagarism?

205 tripletdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:14pm

What's disturbing is so many people's reaction to stuff like this.

So?

So what - big deal. Cars vandalized, signs stolen, Joe the plumber raked over the coals, so what? Ayers a terrorist? Who cares? Sarah Palin attacked in the press with such unbridled hatred? So?

They just want their party to win, and if somebody gets blown up or humiliated or lied about, well, it's not their problem.

That ability of some Dems to turn off their consciences is the real tragedy of this election. Because I've often wondered how Hitler got those rosy-cheeked boys of the Hitler Youth to be able to mow down women and children as soldiers. Just turn off the little voice in your head and do what's best for the Party.

That's what causes me to lose the most sleep, regardless of who wins this election.

206 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:19pm

re: #184 mama winger

Communism IS an economic issue.

Absolutely, but not one that people are going to vote on this year.

If McCain wants to win, he has to go after the people Obama is listening to NOW.

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #179 livefreeor die

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

It was also the name of the race war Manson predicted and that the Tate / Labianca murders were meant to incite. I was wondering why Reno911 made a post prominently featuring that phrase. It set off my Troll Detector.

208 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:48pm

re: #177 alexknyc

Anyone who doesn't already know what a pile of excrement Ayers and his wife are isn't going to be swayed by this.

I agree. We could all go out and conduct on-the-street polling and most people will still think the Vietnam war was bad. No offense, but this only matters to the choir.

209 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:50pm

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Just broke in on one of Ed's post with it - NRA ad: “Imagine”.

Heh. That should get someone's attention.

210 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:53pm

Thank you #147

211 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:59pm

re: #202 livefreeor die

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

Dohrn and Ayers were never "reformed." They are proud of the despicable things they did when Obama was 8 years old.

212 Steffan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:04pm

I just emailed the link to Rush. I sincerely hope he runs with it.

213 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:15pm

Use the ShareThis button, lizards. Spread it around. It's important.

214 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:30pm

O how our country was not well served by our failure to fix Ayers at the end of a rope long long ago.

215 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:43pm
216 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:44pm

Sent to Boortz..

217 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:52pm

From "Prairie Fire"

PRAIRIE FIRE is written to communist-minded revolutionaries, independent organizers and anti-imperialists; those who carry the traditions and lessons of the struggles of the last decade, those who join in the struggles of today. PRAIRIE FIRE is written to all sisters and brothers who are engaged in armed struggle against the enemy. It is written to prisoners, women's groups, collectives, study groups, workers' organizing committees, communes, GI organizers, consciousness-raising groups, veterans, community groups and revolutionaries of all kinds; to all who will read, criticize and bring its content to life in practice. It is written as an argument against those who oppose action and hold back the struggle.

Community Organizers of the World, Unite!

218 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:59pm

re: #205 tripletdad

What's disturbing is so many people's reaction to stuff like this.

So?

So what - big deal. Cars vandalized, signs stolen, Joe the plumber raked over the coals, so what? Ayers a terrorist? Who cares? Sarah Palin attacked in the press with such unbridled hatred? So?

They just want their party to win, and if somebody gets blown up or humiliated or lied about, well, it's not their problem.

That ability of some Dems to turn off their consciences is the real tragedy of this election. Because I've often wondered how Hitler got those rosy-cheeked boys of the Hitler Youth to be able to mow down women and children as soldiers. Just turn off the little voice in your head and do what's best for the Party.

That's what causes me to lose the most sleep, regardless of who wins this election.


The mantra of Libs and Dems and Marxists and Socialists is: The end always justifies the means (similar to the belief system of Islamic Jihadism).

219 Little Doxie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:10pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.


BINGO

220 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:45pm

Just added a link to Wikipedia's Sirhan Sirhan article.

Yeah, it'll get taken down shortly in all likelihood. Still, it wa fun to do.

221 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:54pm

re: #188 wolfie

THAT is the one item that will actually resonate.
The contents of the book don't matter. The fact that he dedicated his radical manifesto to Sirhan Sirhan does matter.

When I woke up this morning, I thought I was just a Democrat who was voting for the GOP this time around. . .

When I go to bed tonight, I will no longer consider myself a democrat, I will be Independent. . .and I am for John McCain!

My former party can try one last time for some honor and some respect for the people they claim to represent;

DNC- YOU MUST DENOUNCE THIS AT ONCE! In the name of the honor of the Kennedy family legacy, who's terminally ill life long member opened your 2008 convention. . .

If you do not, there will be no honor for you in the eyes of the people you claim to represent, you will have left them behind in order to support those that would destroy what is left of your party. . .

222 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:11pm

re: #203 de La Valette

So how many of those clowns are working on Federal Dollars of some sort - they just provided President McCain with a good place to start cutting some spending.

If I can get my hands on that list, I will run it against what DoD funds and make an inquiry.


Support 4 Bill Ayers

223 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:18pm

Everyone go sign up at Yahoo, and buzz this thing to the top.

224 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:30pm

re: #198 Scion9

There is currently an attempt to 'mainstream' Ayers image by the MSM and Leftist pundits. This isn't just about getting McCain elected. The Ayers story, the long march through the institutions, and the machinations for indoctrinating our children cannot be buried.

I'm a history teacher in New York City, I know very well what you're saying.

But at this point, I'd settle for doing what it takes to not have these snakes sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom. There is always the aftermath of the election to deal with the rest of it.

225 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:32pm

Boy, I bet Hillary is wishing she had her hands on this last spring.

226 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:42pm

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It is appalling that a WeatherMansonite sock puppet is even running for the Presidency, let alone has a chance of winning it.

It's like something out of my worst nightmare. Somebody punch me and wake me up.

227 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:53pm

I've emailed Zombie's link to everyone I can think of and IMed it to Drudge

228 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:01pm
In an exclusive report linked here for the first time, Zombie has acquired a copy of a long-forgotten book by Barack Obama associate Bill Ayers, wife Bernardine Dohrn, and two other Weather Underground members, dedicated to RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan, written while they were in hiding from the authorities: William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: linked to itPrairie Fire.

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

229 csparky[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:16pm
230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:34pm

re: #186 zombie

I'm gonna keep adding to it later tonight. Have many more links and stuff to add. But I just wanted to get this out there as quickly as possible and not wait until it was absolutely perfectly finished.

{zombie} MWAH!

/I can't BELIEVE I just kissed a THING! ... YECH!

231 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #221 DisturbedEma

Sounds like the party left you.

Welcome aboard!

232 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:51pm

re: #202 livefreeor die

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

233 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:20pm

God Bless you, Zombie for all your work!

234 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:21pm

re: #229 csparky

He has denounced his 'activities'. He hasn't even been asked to denounce his ideology.

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:43pm

re: #194 livefreeor die

And then we can have a pool on how quickly it gets removed.

Start the pool before hand.
Allow measurements in milliseconds.

236 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:07pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

It was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork, not Sharon Tate.

237 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:08pm

re: #205 tripletdad

Yes. It is scary, but true.
The reaction will be SO WHAT?

Except for that dedication to Sirhan Sirhan. Bobby Kennedy was an Obama-type god of the left back then. He is one of their Immortals.
Bombing the Pentagon, killing a cop. Yawn.
You'd have to understand the age, y'no. We were all crazy back then.
But the Sirhan Sirhan dedication is a scandal.

238 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:12pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

That is pure evil. You do not go back from that kind of vicious, cold hearted celebration of such a vile act.

239 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:16pm

re: #115 wolfie

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

It will be excused, even by Chappaquidick Ted. You see it is unwise to criticize the Party Leaders.

240 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:36pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

Dear God in heaven, these people are college professors instead of in maximum security.

241 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

I would think their reform would be real if I saw them join a monastery, observe silence and do penance for some long decades.

But they haven't.

242 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:27pm

re: #182 Scion9

Ayers doesn't have that much clout alone, and he isn't at the bottom of that rabbit hole that is Communist infiltration. He was helped along and fast-tracked by a lot of people. Ayers happens to be another person who has benefitted by the work of lots of other traiterous scum, and then paid it forward to Obama.

Ayers' rich dad Tom is a HUGE bigwig in Chicago politics.

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:34pm
244 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:39pm

re: #3 zombie

Let the head-explosions commence!

zombie,
this is incredible what you have done.
it really shows what committed communists ayers and dohrn are.
they are unrepentant terrorists who want to bring down our country and submit us to a form of tyranny that is responsible for the deaths of over a hundred million people.
all the evidence that is unearthed abt. these anti-american operatives is very important in the public's understanding that the 60's radicals may look like normal professionals now but they still seek radical over throw of our democracy.
nothing has changed but their clothing.
ayers still says he wishes he would have bombed more.

245 Steffan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:48pm

re: #86 rawmuse

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

There are Some Things Man Was Not Meant To Know.

246 Mauser  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:55pm

Over on "Black and Right" a video was posted with the 2002 radio interview with Ayers, where he talks about being an anarchist, and a Marxist.

From the comments:

# Cameron Says:

Hm. An anarchist rejects all forms of government and feels that the individual is the law. A marxist rejects the individual in favor of the collective run by the government.

How do people like that function without heavy psychiatric drugs?

# Mauser Says:

Why else do you think they want to legalize pot, and other stuff?

247 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:59pm

re: #136 zombie

Hey, you need to link back to yourself from Zomblog when you get a chance. People might go there looking for this.

248 Ariel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:03:26pm

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:03:46pm

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

250 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:01pm

re: #192 wolfie

Absolutely!
Tell the PUMAs about the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

It always amazes me when the media references Lee Harvey Oswald, they exclude the fact he was a card-carrying Red Communist.

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:04pm

re: #228 Killian Bundy

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

Obama has already been linked to Ayers enough to tar him with this. His support for Ayer's book just makes the point further. This will hurt Obama.

252 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:13pm

re: #248 Ariel

No time for timidity, ignore that advice.

253 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:19pm

re: #236 Alouette

It was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork, not Sharon Tate.

Really? I thought the book said that it was susan who told her when she was begging for her life, that she had "no sympathy for you bitch" and stabbed her "pigglet". . and the Helter Skelter was in her blood, I thought. . I read this book that had the pictures and stuff a long time ago. . .even showed the baby's bassinette. . .so sda!

254 spaceman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:28pm

I've been following what I consider to be an interesting line of analysis by Jack Cashill into similarities between Obama's memoir "Dreams from my Father" and writings by Ayers.

Your text to link...

One of the segments of prose cited for its similarity in tone to Ayer's writing is the following:

“Winter came and the city turned monochrome-black trees against gray sky above white earth. Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds.“

The use of "prairie" just jumps out at me. A few of the more convincing points of his argument: 1) Documented thanks from Islamist Rashid Khalidi for the use of Ayer's "dining room table" during his own writing process. 2) Multiple similar usages of unusual phrasing such as "corrective" as a noun. 3) A "wink" within one of Ayer's books to the "author" Obama who he lists among notables in his neighborhood. 4) Parallel "first person" accounts of observing tidal rivers flowing in both directions - used as a metaphor for a moment of forking life options. The list goes on, and to me it looks significant.

255 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:33pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

Amen.
Except for the Sirhan thing. That dedication would bother all but the hardest of the hardcore left. Bobby was the Obama of the 60's. He was the savior. That dedication sets Ayers apart from the mass of the New Left.

256 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:46pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

Don't forget the Red Diaper prep school from Marshall and the ILWU in Hawaii.

257 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:08pm

Well sure all this black liberation revolution destruction communism socialism is scary and all

but Palin is kind of enbarassing


I'm on the fence with this one

258 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:10pm

How did I miss this?

US secretly ships tons of Hussein-era yellowcake to Canada

By BRIAN MURPHY | The Associated Press

July 5, 2008

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

259 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:28pm

re: #213 Charles

Use the ShareThis button, lizards. Spread it around. It's important.

Pardon my ignorance but, does AOL have a place to spread this?

260 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:48pm

Let's get McCain to post this on his campaign site, create a tinyurl, and then advertise it in their campaign speeches!

261 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:57pm

re: #258 Nuclear Ninja

A link would be nice!

262 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:59pm
263 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:10pm

re: #228 Killian Bundy

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

Read the essay. This is not about connecting Ayers to Obama. That is being done elsewhere. This is about stopping their escape route of claiming Ayers was just an average '60s Vietnam War protester.

I think this section from the essay bears repeating:

But Where Is the Obama Connection?

This essay is only about William Ayers' past and present political views. It is not about the connection between Barack Obama and William Ayers. That issue has been covered (and continues to be covered) elsewhere in innumerable news reports and blog postings. Yet as evidence mounts of the extensive and long-standing connection between Obama and Ayers, making their association more and more difficult to deny, Obama's campaign and supporters have started shifting their strategy; Sure, they say, Obama may have had a connection with Ayers, but why is that so bad? Look at William Ayers now: He's a completely respectable man. What -- he protested against the Vietnam War? So did everyone. He's no extremist. I see these arguments made in countless blog posts, comment sections, and even news articles. This essay exists to stop that political escape route. There's no getting around it: William Ayers was a violent communist revolutionary bent on overthrowing the government and "seizing power" in the United States. The proof is on this page. And the only difference between the 1970s William Ayers and the William Ayers whom Barack Obama associated with is a change in rhetorical style; a re-wording of his radical philosophy to make it seem more mainstream. But the underlying political thesis (i.e. communism) remains the same.

264 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:12pm

So Obama launched his political career in the home of a terrorist and communist.

Some mighty fine friends and judgment Obama has.

265 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:18pm

re: #248 Ariel

I don't think Zombie needs to worry if you read his whole article you will see why, they partially abrogate their own copyright in the intro.

266 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:50pm

re: #221 DisturbedEma

When I woke up this morning, I thought I was just a Democrat who was voting for the GOP this time around. . .

When I go to bed tonight, I will no longer consider myself a democrat, I will be Independent. . .and I am for John McCain!

My former party can try one last time for some honor and some respect for the people they claim to represent;

DNC- YOU MUST DENOUNCE THIS AT ONCE! In the name of the honor of the Kennedy family legacy, who's terminally ill life long member opened your 2008 convention. . .

If you do not, there will be no honor for you in the eyes of the people you claim to represent, you will have left them behind in order to support those that would destroy what is left of your party. . .

You understand the importance of this one thing: the applause given to the assassin of Bobby Kennedy.

267 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:54pm

The "white supremacy" part of the manifesto caught my eye because it is the title of his upcoming book.

I believe Ayers still holds his beliefs from this book and still wants to achieve the goals set forth there. He is just going about it in a different way. In the 70s he tried to do it from the outside in. Now he is on the inside ("accepted society") and trying to change it from the inside out....

268 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:54pm

Palin's depositions? On what?

269 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:15pm

re: #264 freedomplow

So Obama launched his political career in the home of a terrorist and communist.

Some mighty fine friends and judgment Obama has.

Not too mention I heard his grandmother was a racist. Can't remember who I heard it from though.

270 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:18pm

Is there a link that details only the Ayers/Obama connections like the Hot Air article posted yesterday about the argument against Barack Obama?

271 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:30pm

re: #262 Nuclear Ninja

Link to #258

Thanks!

272 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:40pm

re: #253 DisturbedEma

Really? I thought the book said that it was susan who told her when she was begging for her life, that she had "no sympathy for you bitch" and stabbed her "pigglet". . and the Helter Skelter was in her blood, I thought. . I read this book that had the pictures and stuff a long time ago. . .even showed the baby's bassinette. . .so sda!

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

273 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:42pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

A lawsuit will just being more attention to it. I doubt Ayers / Obama would want that.

274 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:54pm

The cover is something that Satan himself would have designed - notice the flames of HELL on the cover!

What was that line in Batman about the motives of purely evil people?

"Some people just like to see things burn."

275 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:07pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

Use EVERYTHING.

I don't care what reason people have for not voting for the Messiah, as long as they DON'T vote for him. Full court press. Use all the information we have.

276 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:25pm

re: #65 Ojoe

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

277 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:27pm

re: #266 wolfie

You understand the importance of this one thing: the applause given to the assassin of Bobby Kennedy.

Let's make sure the Kennedy family sees this one.

278 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:31pm

re: #145 Silhouette

Good guess. Just tried to find them on the site and I got this.

279 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:57pm

re: #247 Thanos

Hey, you need to link back to yourself from Zomblog when you get a chance. People might go there looking for this.

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

280 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:35pm

re: #230 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{zombie} MWAH!

/I can't BELIEVE I just kissed a THING! ... YECH!

(sobbing) But what about us?

281 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:39pm

From Zombies report:
"We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society." Bill Ayers, Et al.

And Barack Obama is the head of that spear now.

282 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:40pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

His support for Ayer's book just makes the point further.

/Obama isn't in the same decade as Prairie Fire, not helpful

283 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:42pm

re: #276 experiencedtraveller

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

Too bad Peter Jackson left it out of the movie.

284 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:46pm

re: #258 Nuclear Ninja

How did I miss this?

550 tonnes of it, IIRC. You missed it because the Media are the enemy and Jorge thinks his party is above the fray. I don't think even he understands how deeply the press undermines national security.

285 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:04pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

Read the essay. I address this issue:

As an aside: Note how, on the copyright page, the authors state that the public is "free to utilize the material" in the book "for political debate and study." That is exactly how it is being used in this essay, though I think it's not quite the kind of debate that William Ayers originally had in mind! Also note that my reproduction of their material, as per their instructions, is true and accurate, and that I am not "profiteering" from it because this site has no ads and does not generate any income whatsoever.
286 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:09pm

re: #279 zombie

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

Go eat and enjoy!

287 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:12pm

re: #270 TheMatrix31

Is there a link that details only the Ayers/Obama connections like the Hot Air article posted yesterday about the argument against Barack Obama?

I think so.

288 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:15pm

Sent to Malkin...

289 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:25pm

re: #257 mama winger


but Palin is kind of enbarassing

? I find her to be the best find for the Republican party in 20 years.

290 legalpad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:31pm

re: #257 mama winger

but Palin is kind of embarassing

Does this idea relate to your concern about her creationism?

291 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:33pm

Zombie,

Beware Dan Rather. He may accuse you of fraud.

Everyone knows there were no monospace typewriters in the 1970's!

292 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:43pm

re: #263 zombie


Dammit!

Obama is president. Ayers gets convicted of something. Obama pardons.

Call me crazy, but does anyone else see this happening?

293 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:59pm

re: #279 zombie

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

You must eat! Sleep!

294 Fredlike  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:10pm

re: #209 Noam Sayin'

The NRA is doing good work against Obama, but the last election I think they supported Web in Virginia against Allen and he is now running ads claiming Obama is all for your second amendment rights. I guess that is what they get for supporting a Dem. At lest in this years race they are not supporting Warner.

295 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #287 MandyManners

I think so.

Thanks, Mandy!

296 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:27pm

re: #272 Alouette

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

Alouette is correct. I've seen the uncensored photos.

297 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:43pm

re: #10 ruswmrun

A tree falling in the forest.... It isn't going to make any sound; because no one is listening.

McCain can make them listen if he chooses
bring up Wright again
they'll bring up the race card
then play the trump card, this

but he has to get the dialogue started

bring up his muslim schooling for cripes sake
but get the media in front of his microphone

298 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:11pm

There are still two copies available at [Link: www.abe.com...] if you want your very own to hug and caress.

299 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:27pm

Zombie- Thanks. You represent the best part of us. Good job.

300 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:46pm

re: #292 logboy

Dammit!

Obama is president. Ayers gets convicted of something. Obama pardons.

Call me crazy, but does anyone else see this happening?

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.

301 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:49pm

Where did you get that? I'm trying to compile a political collection but in Boston, the worst I can get are smutty novels.

302 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:50pm

Thank you zombie!

I'll be playing Alice Cooper's "Cold Ethel" in your honor tonight.

303 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:01pm

Couple things left to dig up:

1. Ayers - KGB File; should be for sale - price has probably gone up, damn Russians are Capitalists now.

2. Some evidence untainted by the warrantless surveillance.

Nice little summation - I don't know the source or the background - but its a nice list.

304 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:05pm

re: #295 TheMatrix31

Thanks, Mandy!

DTN is a marvelous tool!

305 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:22pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

"I'm just a Bill,
Yeah, I'm only a Bill,
and I'm groomin' Barack of Capitol Hill . . ."

306 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:27pm

re: #295 TheMatrix31

Thanks, Mandy!

So is IBD. And, FrontPage.

307 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:36pm

Just sent the link to The Anchoress.

308 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #282 Killian Bundy

/Obama isn't in the same decade as Prairie Fire, not helpful

It's helpful in this way:

The Obama campaign is minimizing Ayers' deeds as something everybody did in the 60's - protested the Vietnam War

This expose shows that their aims went further - to the total destruction of America, and that they have these same aims today.

So. They help launch Obama's political career - by design - with this goal in mind.

Remember - they have never renounced their ideology. They still proclaim it and are proud of it. This manifesto lets people know that what they are so proud of is not protesting Viet Nam, but their goal of destroying this country.

The argument can be made: Why would revolutionaries working for the destruction of our country want to see Obama elected?

309 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:50pm

re: #237 wolfie

Yes. It is scary, but true.
The reaction will be SO WHAT?

Except for that dedication to Sirhan Sirhan. Bobby Kennedy was an Obama-type god of the left back then. He is one of their Immortals.
Bombing the Pentagon, killing a cop. Yawn.
You'd have to understand the age, y'no. We were all crazy back then.
But the Sirhan Sirhan dedication is a scandal.

That's the big thing I just can't get over, wolfie. Democrats who love the Kennedy family should now be pretty danged upset about Ayers/Dohrn and the connection to Obama via their little fund raiser for him in their home.

Will they continue to ignore Obama's connections to Ayers? Then they have to completely disconnect from their love and respect for Bobby Kennedy and his legacy.

310 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:51pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

True, we should all spend our time doing...what exactly? Reading the exposés that you've put online?

Instead of whining, dig the dirt you think needs to be dug. Instead of pointing out my failings, succeed where I have failed.

Act constructively, don't drag everything down with criticisms.

311 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:00pm

re: #276 experiencedtraveller

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

Tolkien considered it most significant and necessary as well. He would have been disappointed that it was left out of the movie.

312 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:08pm

re: #292 logboy

The reason people think the Clintons didn't use all this against Obama is because Bill Clinton pardoned 2 Weathermen before he left office.

313 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:29pm

re: #280 goddessoftheclassroom

(sobbing) But what about us?

Not to worry. I was doing a necessary thing.

{ { { goddess } } }MWAH!

314 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:33pm

re: #43 Irene NYC

I'm talking to my mom. She's asking me why the FBI didn't know about this and release it.

Good question, ma.

[Link: www.foia.fbi.gov...]

Of particular interest:

Weather Underground Organization (Weatherman)
420 pages

The Chicago Office of the FBI prepared a summary in 1976 discussing the main activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weatherman. This group described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women. The FBI's analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary.

weath1a.pdf
weath1b.pdf
weath2a.pdf
weath2b.pdf
weath3a.pdf
weath3b.pdf

These are six files I DL'd recently.

315 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:54pm

re: #289 Dasher

? I find her to be the best find for the Republican party in 20 years.

I was being sarcastic. On another thread, a poster had stated that he was going to sit out this election because he found Palin objectionable. One reason was he found her somewhat of an embarassment.

Sorry for the confusion :)

316 MisterCookie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:02pm

I hope the frakker burns in a prairie fire in hell. How the hell is this asshole allowed to run free in this society?

317 Montaigne's Cat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:09pm

"The end justifies the means."

The end remains the same: revolution, and the overthrow of the government of United States of America.

Previously "the means" referred to violent insurrection. Today the preferred means are 1) electoral politics of the president, and 2) overhauling the systematic education of young people.

318 Nightlight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:12pm

Interesting read on this blog:

Members of Students for a Democratic Society who were unwilling to transform themselves into armed insurgents were “movement creeps,” “right wingers,” “wimpy.” At the 1969 “National War Council” in Flint, Mich., where the Weathermen irrevocably broke with more moderate S.D.S. contingents, the Weathermen posted an enemies list that included Richard M. Nixon, Hubert H. Humphrey, and the actress Sharon Tate, who had recently been murdered by members of the Manson “family.” The slogans were “Piece Now,” “Sirhan Sirhan Power,” and “Red Army Power.”

[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com...]

319 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:12pm

re: #300 MandyManners

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.


With Zombie around, anything's possible.

320 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:21pm

re: #303 de La Valette

The FBI File, should however be free.

321 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:43pm

re: #267 PAgirlinNC

The "white supremacy" part of the manifesto caught my eye because it is the title of his upcoming book.

I believe Ayers still holds his beliefs from this book and still wants to achieve the goals set forth there. He is just going about it in a different way. In the 70s he tried to do it from the outside in. Now he is on the inside ("accepted society") and trying to change it from the inside out....

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

322 calcajun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

If i wore a Hitler, or Stalin shirt, I'd make one with the caption "Che was a Murderer just like Me!"

323 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:17pm

re: #240 mama winger

Dear God in heaven, these people are college professors instead of in maximum security.

That's the only place swine of their ilk can get any type of gainful employment, at one of our universities. If they worked anywhere else and their co-workers knew what they did, they'd be outcasts.

But at our F*cked up universities, they're not only considered colleagues, but also respected members of the faculty. Despicable scumbags.

324 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:27pm

re: #291 erisldysnomia

Zombie,

Beware Dan Rather. He may accuse you of fraud.

Everyone knows there were no monospace typewriters in the 1970's!

Yeah he'd have alot of luck with that claim. To partially quote Jonah Goldberg, that accusation would be about watching "one of the 20th century’s most pompous gasbags fall from the top of the laughingstock tree and hit every branch on the way down".

325 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:37pm

Emailed the story to the Reader's Rep of the Star Trib - for what that's worth.

Pretty much a dog bites man story for them.

326 WriterMom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:37pm

Hiya.

Here's a good one: Iran Picks Obama!
With friends like these...

327 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:44pm

re: #290 legalpad

Does this idea relate to your concern about her creationism?

see my 315 :)

I should have used a sarc tag

328 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:50pm

I'm shocked by these revelations. This is not the William Ayers I knew.

--BO

-OR-

That book was written when I was a child in Indonesia.

--BO

MSM satisfied. BO innocent on all counts.
/End of story. This will not change the game.

329 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:08pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
/

330 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:11pm

re: #308 mama winger

NOBODY that I recall lionized Sirhan Sirhan and yet Teddy, CAroline and Maria support Ayer's protege?

331 Dianna  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:13pm

re: #263 zombie

A really excellent job, zombie.

There were a couple sections I thought could have been a bit more elegantly written, but your point is clear.

Thank you for this scarifying essay. There are no more excuses to be made for Ayers by anyone.

332 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:35pm
333 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:40pm

re: #315 mama winger

No prob... I missed the /sarc :-)

334 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:44pm

I just posted the link over at RightWingNews. Hope John sees it.

335 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:49pm

re: #312 wolfie

The reason people think the Clintons didn't use all this against Obama is because Bill Clinton pardoned 2 Weathermen before he left office.

I've been saying that for weeks now.

336 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:56pm

re: #321 zombie

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

Point out Zombie, that he has our children.

337 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:01pm

An unbroken chain.....from these types in the 60s till today. Remember, one of the first things Carter did was pardon the deserters and draft dodgers. Democrats really support the troops. ///////Sarc

338 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:01pm

re: #222 HDrepub

I got it now. Nice to see my Alma Mater isn't on the list, also not a strong list of Engineering schools.

339 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:12pm

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

340 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:17pm

re: #263 zombie

This is not about connecting Ayers to Obama. That is being done elsewhere. This is about stopping their escape route of claiming Ayers was just an average '60s Vietnam War protester.

And? Are we trying to put Ayers and his wife where they belong?

/step back and look at where you are and why

341 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:33pm

One of the most salient things in this is the stance on Palestein and Israel. You will see it differs none from the average leftist view today.

342 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:35pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

No way!

343 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:44pm

re: #294 Fredlike

Actually, the NRA belatedly supported Allen in that Senate race. They didn't dedicate anything to the campaign because he was thought to be a shoo-in. When Webb pulled even toward the end, the NRA came in with a small last-ditch effort.

I hope Webb pays dearly some day for these Obama ads. Anyone who thinks Obama is pro-2nd amendment is a fool. Webb is no fool. That makes him a lying scoundrel.

344 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:47pm

re: #330 SpartanWoman

NOBODY that I recall lionized Sirhan Sirhan and yet Teddy, CAroline and Maria support Ayer's protege?

Incredible, innit?

345 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:53pm

Great work Zombie!

346 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:07pm

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

347 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:10pm

I'm still trying to figure out how to sink Obama's boat with this filth. The degree of filth doesn't seem to have an impact.

We need a video of young Barry in a Madrasa memorizing this stuff.

348 Ariel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:16pm

re: #285 zombie

I don't know enough to know whether an author can disclaim a copyright. While that seems likely, I'm not sure about it.

I do know that it helps that you are not making money.

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:18pm

re: #334 x-wing

I just posted the link over at RightWingNews. Hope John sees it.

Was it worth hunkering down for?
(-:
/ribbing you

350 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:36pm

re: #319 logboy

With Zombie around, anything's possible.

As much as I respect Zombie, that's not true. If the government had had the information separate from that which was obtained by the illegal surveillance way back when, Ayers probably would still be behind federal bars.

351 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #272 Alouette

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

I don't remember the author, but it had pictures in the middle of the crime scenes, with the bodies edited out, but with all the other details, like the guy in the car, and the bodies in the houses. . . shudder and shake!

352 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:52pm

re: #313 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not to worry. I was doing a necessary thing.

{ { { goddess } } }MWAH!

(sniff) Just remember...

MWAH!

353 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:53pm

re: #346 erisldysnomia

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

They might give him a promotion

354 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:59pm

re: #342 SpartanWoman

No way!

Scum at Kos would spin it as a positive.

355 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:59pm

re: #344 mama winger

Incredible, innit?

Beyond incredible. CLinton may have pardoned a weatherman, but he sure as shit would have never ever pardoned Sirhan.

356 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #300 MandyManners

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

357 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:24pm

re: #254 spaceman
It jumped out at me, as well, I quoted Cashill in post 129.

The coincidental use of "prairie" imagery by Obama (who was raised in Hawaii, lived in New York and Chicago) seems even more unlikely than the nautical themes that Cashill isolates.

I suppose the folksy sweet potato pie riffs are an attempt to appeal to the southern voter. Maybe some "prairie" imagery would help him in Ohio or Missouri. I shouldn't be too difficult for OHB to pull it up since he used it so eloquently in "Dreams." I would love to see someone compare Obama's stump speeches with his writing.

358 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:27pm

re: #321 zombie

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

Oh, fanfuckingtastic! This will bring it all to the here and the now.

359 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:32pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Horrible idea- they'll read it and get all fired up for the revolution. They DIG this stuff.

360 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:38pm

re: #348 Ariel

I don't know enough to know whether an author can disclaim a copyright. While that seems likely, I'm not sure about it.

Indeed they can.

361 AmericanDefender  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:39pm

Charles - LGF Spy is your best feature - Recommend strongly disabling links and comments...page scrolls too fast for the average Joe. Then enjoy the comments and check out what you want

362 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:03pm

re: #350 MandyManners

As much as I respect Zombie, that's not true. If the government had had the information separate from that which was obtained by the illegal surveillance way back when, Ayers probably would still be behind federal bars.

Doubtful. He'd have been pardoned by Bubba.

363 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:06pm

re: #257 mama winger

Well sure all this black liberation revolution destruction communism socialism is scary and all

but Palin is kind of enbarassing


I'm on the fence with this one

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

364 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:17pm

re: #328 dentate

I'm shocked by these revelations. This is not the William Ayers I knew.

--BO

-OR-

That book was written when I was a child in Indonesia.

--BO

MSM satisfied. BO innocent on all counts.
/End of story. This will not change the game.

Interesting interpretation. Now try actually reading the article so that you get the point.

365 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #322 calcajun

People in this country celebrate May Day, and still think the anti-war movement of the 60s and 70s was "right on!" It's beyond troubling that people don't care about the evil of communism, but that's what we're working with. An ignorant populace.

I miss my Grandmother. She was the first person to tell me Jane Fonda was a bitch because of Vietnam and that we could have won that war. Gone are most people who agreed with her. The left has been far too good at rewriting history. I applaud zombie's work, I just doubt it's impact because of the decades long whitewashing.

366 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #319 logboy

Hey! Did you read what I posted earlier today about EMDR?

367 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:25pm

re: #308 mama winger

It's helpful in this way:

The Obama campaign is minimizing Ayers' deeds as something everybody did in the 60's - protested the Vietnam War

This expose shows that their aims went further - to the total destruction of America, and that they have these same aims today.

So. They help launch Obama's political career - by design - with this goal in mind.

Remember - they have never renounced their ideology. They still proclaim it and are proud of it. This manifesto lets people know that what they are so proud of is not protesting Viet Nam, but their goal of destroying this country.

The argument can be made: Why would revolutionaries working for the destruction of our country want to see Obama elected?

Okay, Ayers is absolute scum.

/WHERE'S THE OBAMA?

368 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:56pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

I double-dog dare you!

369 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:29pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

Which leads me to ask, why do commies need copyright?
After all, they think everything should be free.

370 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:30pm

re: #309 Intrepid

Yes. That Sirhan dedication will get the attention of moderate Democrats and independents.
As for the plans to destroy America and rebuild the new age. Yawn. What else is new?

371 AmericanDefender  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:34pm

meant links and Ratings

372 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:35pm
373 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:39pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.


are their heads splodin or has it been deleted yet

374 holycrusader  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:50pm

Zombie, thanks for this! After reading this piece of garbage, I can't believe that anyone would consciously want to associate with "Billy" Ayers. This guy is filth. The association between this guy and Obama is pretty clear. Same neighbourhood, office building, and "educational" boards. How many more dots do we need to connect them? I've done some some stupid things in the past, that I am deeply sorry for. Billy Ayers is unrepentant and that make him even more despicable in my book! Shame on those people who signed that stupid petition.

375 rorschach  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:51pm

Posting this Prairie Fire document is RACIST!

Saying anything untoward about obama's associates or their work is RACIST!

Under the obama regime, everyone associated with this website should be sent to a gulag in Wyoming.

/everyone except me, of course.

376 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:51pm

re: #331 Dianna

A really excellent job, zombie.

There were a couple sections I thought could have been a bit more elegantly written, but your point is clear.

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving? I'll be working on it later tonight. The thing is still a work in progress. Constructive (Note that word: constructive) criticisms encouraged!

377 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:52pm

re: #351 DisturbedEma

I don't remember the author, but it had pictures in the middle of the crime scenes, with the bodies edited out, but with all the other details, like the guy in the car, and the bodies in the houses. . . shudder and shake!

That was Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter." High-octane nightmare fuel if you read it when you're 11 (which I did).

/and to think, the Messiah's political career was launched in a house where such acts were celebrated

378 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:14pm

re: #356 x-wing

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

Ayers and Dohrn?

Hold on.

379 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:15pm

Who are we to determine what will have influence and what will not?

Our responsibility is to publish the truth so people can make their own judgments. We are not charged with the outcome, we are only charged with doing our duty. We are not responsible for the choices people make, but we are responsible for giving them all the information we can find.

Zombie has done WARRIOR duty.

Let it all out. Every bit of it. Throw everything we have at these F'ers. Everything. At the end of the day we can say we LEFT NOTHING ON THE FIELD.

Thank you ZOMBIE !

380 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:19pm

Checking further--It's very odd that none of the 40,000+ libraries indexed through WorldCat seems to have a copy of Prairie Fire.
Ayers' others works are listed, and those interested can use WorldCat to locate nearby libraries with holdings: [Link: www.worldcat.org...]

And yes, Zombie's post has gone viral--its the top Google return on a search for that book.

381 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:21pm

Free tacos for everyone!

382 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:21pm

re: #311 OldLineTexan

Tolkien considered it most significant and necessary as well. He would have been disappointed that it was left out of the movie.

I agree, along with Tom, who was a very dear piece of the book I missed a lot, though the movies are good . . .

383 code red 21  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:25pm

re: #368 MandyManners

I double-dog dare you!

They'll consider it their Bible.

384 van helsing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:27pm

If this was a fascist police state empire as Billy Ayers claims, wouldn't he be like, you know, DEAD for G_dsake? Instead of TEACHING at a university?

Have these people really no grasp of what they say?

Oh. Never mind.

385 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:35pm

re: #353 Dasher

They might give him a promotion


Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

386 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:36pm

re: #281 CapeCoddah

I just finished my blog piece on this after reading Zombie's essay. I pointed out that I've been worried - I've been tongue in cheek about being scared, but now? I'm honestly frightened - Ayers is evil, but not stupid. He is more than capable of using Alinsky methods consistently and accurately, he is more than capable of realizing duping the left and the media wouldn't be so hard given the right set of circumstances. He knew, by his study of Alinsky, that dissent must be silenced through intimidation. Perhaps worse, he is more than capable of preying on an individual who has psychological issues due to being dumped by his father AND his mother. Obama must have had a need to be wanted, be loved, be important, to not be something somebody would want to throw away any more. Ayers could have promised - and delivered - on all of the above. In return? Your soul. He schooled Obama on Alinsky methods, can't go off course or the whole plan falls apart. To make the picture perfect and believable to the mainstream? A wife and family. Let's see - a person who has been raised to believe and fully embrace the idea they are the victim of American society with a good dose of vindictiveness and some power hungry on top.

I'm concerned I sound like the conspiracy theory kooks that I make fun of so often, but wow, this is quite conceivable.

387 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #356 x-wing

Since the One is so hot on invading Pakistan to get terrorists and violating their sovereignty - maybe the Paki's should come snatch this one from us - just to make a point.

388 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #352 goddessoftheclassroom

(sniff) Just remember...

MWAH!

The link no workie
You are overwrought
Calm down.
There's nothing so serious that we can't work it out.
pat pat pat ... scritch scritch scritch

389 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:25pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

Link?

390 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:28pm

re: #366 MandyManners

Hey! Did you read what I posted earlier today about EMDR?


Yeah why, are you suggesting I need help?

391 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:32pm
392 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:44pm

re: #349 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was it worth hunkering down for?
(-:
/ribbing you

Budweiser and Marlboro stock should go up tomorrow;>}

393 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:44pm

re: #359 ClosetConservative

Horrible idea- they'll read it and get all fired up for the revolution. They DIG this stuff.

Guess I went a little overboard, there.

394 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:53pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

It was a joke, people. Mama Winger may be a Cubs fan*, but other than that, she's 100% cool.

*runs away

395 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:57pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

Please see my 315 post


/ last time I leave off the sarc tag :)

396 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:59pm

Hey guys:

We're a pretty large and active online community. We ought to do more organized fuss-making, as in sending this to every news anchor in America or putting stuff up on the web. Take a page out of the lefties' book. Their tactics manage to make the weaker argument defeat the stronger (to quote Plato), so why don't we use them to help OUR stronger argument? The internet is a powerful tool.

This is political dynamite. A lot of people probably agree with what is agreed with therein (*cough* Rasmussen 44% for wealth distribution *cough*), but how about the people who don't? There's disgusting, vile stuff between the covers. We've got to work to put this on the airwaves, if it's even possible with today's media.

397 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:07pm

re: #346 erisldysnomia

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

What makes you think they'd disagree with this?

398 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #389 zombie

Link?

www.dailykos.com

I have a nic I could burn...

399 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:22pm

Sheesh!
What y' have t' put up with in stoopid CATS!

400 metoothen  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:26pm

Zombie,

Wow.

Really.

I think the idea of spreading this far and wide, even after the election is necessary. The crypto-Marxists (and not so hidden race-gender-class frauds that populate the academy) need to be exposed, now and forever.

I think this country will have terrible buyers remorse come January 21 if Barack Hussein Obama is elected, especially after the taxes are raised, Israel is destroyed, and the reeducation camps open (perhaps I exaggerate.)

Hopefully, someone talented in such things could fashion an Obama t-shirt, ala Obama's proto-Che image with the words Praire Fire underneath.

I for one would wear that shirt and I suspect that many others would as well.

Great work.

401 bikeguy65  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:56pm

re: #75 wolfie

(1) THEY won't get to be the ruling class. The best they can hope for is to be an honored guest in a foreign country.
(2) There's more money and therefore power to "build socialism" in a capitalist country. Once the place is already fully socialist, it's a dump!

and they can't exist with the example of freedom that the US is out there. Just the existence of a free and great nation destroys their ideas. They have to kill the idea of the America

402 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:58pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

You're at Stout? Lemme at em.

Seriously. Tell me who to write. I send tax money there.

403 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:07pm

re: #377 Palandine

That was Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter." High-octane nightmare fuel if you read it when you're 11 (which I did).

/and to think, the Messiah's political career was launched in a house where such acts were celebrated

Shudder shudder SHUDDER! Yeah, I was a kid too, and remember the chill I felt reading that book.

To think I am raising children in a time that sees the protege of these horrible people as the New Hope. . .I am speechless!

404 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:10pm

Anyone see this? Gov. Palin is the second mot powerful Governor in the country.
[Link: kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com...]

405 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:13pm

re: #376 zombie

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving? I'll be working on it later tonight. The thing is still a work in progress. Constructive (Note that word: constructive) criticisms encouraged!

Ties to current views on Palestine, let me dig and see if I can find you something.

406 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:19pm

re: #367 Killian Bundy

Okay, Ayers is absolute scum.

/WHERE'S THE OBAMA?

Starting his political career in his house, working with him on several boards, having an office in the same small building, writing gushing praise of his crappy books...

407 onslow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:25pm

Sorry if this has been posted before but it must be read to be believed-Bill Ayres forced this woman to have sex with his roommate and his brother.

Remembering a Sixties Terrorist

408 AceR  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:32pm

re: #205 tripletdad

I would suggest that educators like William "Billy" Ayers have succeeded in "enlightening" a couple of generations of our children.

It's called warfare and Bill Ayers is dead serious about winning. He and his cohort didn't succeed in overthrowing America back in the 70's, so they regrouped, got some teaching credentials, and assimulated into mainstream America. How very guerrilla!

And how brilliant! How best to overcome the "enemy" (those who love our country and don't want it to become a socialist commune) than by looking like a regular "Joe" (I couldn't resist), becoming a "respected" professor at a university, throwing a party for "community organizer" in his upscale Chicago neighborhood who was looking to get his feet wet in politics?

409 Beach Lover  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:39pm

re: #129 ljmw

I thought something about this book sounded familiar.

Both books use “storms” and “horizons” both as metaphor and as reality. Ayers writes poetically of an “unbounded horizon,” and Obama writes of “boundless prairie storms” and poetic horizons—“violet horizon,” “eastern horizon,” “western horizon.”

Either Ayers was aided and abetted Obama in his writing or Obama was familiar with and influenced by Ayers writing.


Haven't read comments down from this to see if anyone else has responded to yours, but there was much posted a few weeks ago that showed that Ayers was more likely than not to have penned Obama's first book Dreams From My Father. While some thought it a stretch at the time, (there were experts that pulled similarities just like the ones you point out). That and the fact that the book was unlike anything Obama had ever written. It didn't get legs. IIRC, it was during the financial meltdown and no one wanted to talk about Ayers and his deepening connection to the One.

410 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:40pm

re: #314 abolitionist

Once I go to the foia page, the link don't work. I get kicked off altogether. Bizarre, no?

411 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:14pm

re: #379 mama winger

Who are we to determine what will have influence and what will not?

Our responsibility is to publish the truth so people can make their own judgments. We are not charged with the outcome, we are only charged with doing our duty. We are not responsible for the choices people make, but we are responsible for giving them all the information we can find.

Zombie has done WARRIOR duty.

Let it all out. Every bit of it. Throw everything we have at these F'ers. Everything. At the end of the day we can say we LEFT NOTHING ON THE FIELD.

Thank you ZOMBIE !

Todah Rabbah Chaver! Chaverim! Chatever!

412 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:28pm

re: #356 x-wing

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

No.

An unusual combination of New York political and law enforcement leaders have condemned former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Susan L. Rosenberg, a one-time member of the Weather Underground terrorist group who was charged in the notorious 1981 Brink's robbery in Rockland County that left a guard and two police officers dead.

SNIP

At the time of her arrest, she was wanted on charges related to the 1981 armed robbery of a Brink's armored car in Nanuet, N.Y., a holdup that was supposed to raise money for the Weather Underground and other radical groups. But Ms. Rosenberg denied any involvement in the Brink's robbery and was never tried on those charges, because Mr. Giuliani, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, indicated that given her 58-year sentence on the New Jersey weapons charges, there was no need to proceed with that case.

She requested a pardon after federal prosecutors in 1999 cited evidence of her role in the Brink's case as a reason she should not be paroled on the New Jersey charges. Because she was never tried or convicted in the Rockland County case, it was unfair to deny her parole, her lawyer, Howard Gutman, said yesterday.

Howard Gutman.

413 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #386 ArmyWife

I'm right there with ya. If you are nutty then so am I.

414 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:30pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

WTH? For what?

415 Buck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:38pm

Can we get Obama to review this book?

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:45pm
417 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:48pm

re: #167 mama winger

Dorhn was a recruiter for the WU. Wonder if the explains a certain lack in o's history.

418 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:52pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

Oh, really?

Considered TheFire.org?

419 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:04pm

re: #392 x-wing

Budweiser and Marlboro stock should go up tomorrow;>}

When they come through the Gap, just remember, go for their command vehicles.

420 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:06pm

re: #312 wolfie

Right, they aren't exactly clean - I think they sure as shootin' know what is happening - I think they have tried to support as covertly (with some overt thrown in) McCain not out of vindictiveness (maybe part of the reason), but because they know the truth. They know McCain must be elected, but they can't say why, and they can't completely alienate themselves from the Dem party who have been bamboozled - all they will see is the Clinton's aren't true Democrats - party over for Hillary.

421 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:11pm

*F the MSM

422 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #388 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The link no workie
You are overwrought
Calm down.
There's nothing so serious that we can't work it out.
pat pat pat ... scritch scritch scritch

sigh...

423 onslow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:36pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

Yes

424 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:43pm

re: #383 code red 21

They'll consider it their Bible.

Well, click my avatar to see what I think of such filth.

425 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:46pm

re: #406 Palandine

Starting his political career in his house, working with him on several boards, having an office in the same small building, writing gushing praise of his crappy books...

...and hiring him as a ghost-writer...maybe.

426 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:56pm

Has anyone sent this to the McCain campaign?

427 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:17pm

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428 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:22pm

re: #415 Buck

Can we get Obama to review this book?

Heh..we need a blurb..

429 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:23pm

re: #412 MandyManners

THAT Gutman ?!?!

sheesh

this goes deeper than I knew

430 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:26pm

Just got to the bit where he dedicated the book to Sirhan Sirhan.
Jeepers, creepers!

431 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:39pm

re: #376 zombie

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving?

/you need to make it stick to Obama or it''s pointless, we already know William Ayers and his wife are far more entrenched than Chutch

432 Freedom Fan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:41pm

"Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit. Socialism means control of the productive forces for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions. Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative quality of life for all."
-Praire Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, buddies of Barack Obama

"A lie told often enough becomes truth. The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses. He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.

If socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years. Sometimes - history needs a push. One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. No