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Zombie: Billy Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto, 'Prairie Fire'

Politics | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:19:08 pm PDT

In an exclusive report linked here for the first time, Zombie has acquired a copy of a long-forgotten book by Barack Obama associate Bill Ayers, wife Bernardine Dohrn, and two other Weather Underground members, dedicated to RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan, written while they were in hiding from the authorities: William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire.

The key points that this document brings out:

Ayers was not simply protesting “against” the Vietnam War. Firstly, he wasn’t against war in principle, he was agitating for the victory of the communist forces in Vietnam. In other words: He wasn’t against the war, he was against our side in the war. This is spelled out in great detail in Prairie Fire. Secondly, and more significantly, the Vietnam War was only one of many issues cited by the Weather Undergound as the justifications for their violent acts. As you will see below, in various quotes from Prairie Fire and in their own list of their violent actions (and in additional impartial documentary links), Ayers and the Weather Underground enumerated dozens of different grievances as the rationales for their bombings — their overarching goal being to inspire a violent mass uprising against the United States government in order to establish a communist “dictatorship of the proletariat,” in Ayers’ own words.

Ayers and his co-authors freely brag about their bombings and other violent and illegal acts, and even provide a detailed list, most likely typed up by Ayers himself, of the crimes they had committed up to that point. Ayers’ list, scanned directly from Prairie Fire, is shown below. He may have escaped conviction due to a legal technicality (the prosecutors failed to get a warrant during some of their surveillance of the Weather Underground), but this in no way means that Ayers was factually inncoent of the crimes. As has been widely reported, after the case against him was dropped, Ayers decribed himself as “guilty as hell, free as a bird.”

Just because Ayers tries to appear respectable now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a violent revolutionary in the past. In fact, as the text of Prairie Fire shows, Ayers was one of the most extreme extremists in American political history. And as the links given as the end of this essay prove, Ayers is just as politically radical now as he was back then. He has never renounced the political views he professed in the 1960s and 1970s. The only difference is that now he no longer commits violence to achieve his goals. After his stint as the leader of the Weather Underground, he shifted to a different tactic: to spread his ideology under the aegis of academia. But the goal remains the same: to turn America into a communist nation. Ayers’ contemporary writings contain many of the same ideas (and even the same phrases) found in Prairie Fire, just toned down to make them more palatable in polite society.

Zombie includes copyright-free scans of the document and its cover.

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1 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:19:59pm

Burn away the veils!

2 Truck Monkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:00pm

Is this the one we've been waiting for?

3 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:34pm

Let the head-explosions commence!

4 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:40pm

Say what?

5 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:20:55pm

re: #2 Truck Monkey

Is this the one we've been waiting for?

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

6 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:00pm

I would love to see them behind bars.
Smug bastard.

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:08pm

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

8 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:22:50pm

Sunset on the San Gabriel Mountains. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

May we see a sunset on 0bama's public life, soon.

I am so tired of seeing his face everywhere.

9 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:01pm

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

10 ruswmrun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:13pm

A tree falling in the forest.... It isn't going to make any sound; because no one is listening.

11 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:27pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

No disappointment a tall! This is one more cigarette-lighter to the fuze of Obama's self-immolation!

12 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:33pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

It won't disappoint. I'm going to see to it that every Obama supporter I know sees this!

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:23:56pm

re: #10 ruswmrun

GAZE.

14 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:13pm

I would get this material into Hannity's hands. I understand he is not a huge fan of Mr. Ayers.

15 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:25pm

Nice job, Zombie, this should be interesting. I hope you put it right where FOX can find it easily!

16 troonbop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:24:49pm

Damn, I wish i could be one of those idealistic, fearless revolutionaries...with tenure and a great pension.

17 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:07pm

Zombie,
Fax that sucker to Limbaugh...
=)

18 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:09pm

Very thorough zombie. Your credentials as a citizen-journalist are strengthening.

19 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:28pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

Yep. I'm not even gonna post this on FB.

But great work, Zombie. For people like us who actually know what the hell is going on, this isn't surprising yet still every bit important.

20 willowone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:55pm

re: #3 zombie
wow ! wow!

21 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:25:57pm

Woot! Thanks, Zombie. Going to check it out right now.

22 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:24pm

Thank you, Zombie, for working so hard on our behalf, for being the kind of American we can be proud of. This lizard salutes you.

23 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:24pm

re: #14 wright1

I would get this material into Hannity's hands. I understand he is not a huge fan of Mr. Ayers.

No, give it to O'Reilly. He'll be able to hit the hardest with it.

24 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:25pm

re: #17 anotherindyfilmguy

Zombie,
Fax that sucker to Limbaugh...
=)

Limbaugh reads LGF.

25 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:26pm

Where does the hippie with a pencil come in? Are there marginal notes to reveal?

26 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

But they do so out of ignorance. I think that if the average person knew thing one about Che Guevara, they'd plotz.

27 Truck Monkey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:13pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

Not disappointing at all. I am putting on a bib, going to dig in, and then send to friends and loved ones across the country!

28 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:30pm

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

29 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:34pm

One of the defenses BHO throws out there is that Republicans sat on the Woods Foundation Board as well. Well, they should be called out for that - there is no excuse for that.

But that is still a far cry from socializing with this cretin, God forbid begining your political campaign with Ayers as your guru.

30 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:35pm

Pretty clear from his own hand. He is an unrepentant communist guerilla. As is his wife.

31 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:38pm

re: #26 zombie

But they do so out of ignorance. I think that if the average person knew thing one about Che Guevara, they'd plotz.

Che was a murdering thug who didn't suffer enough before dying.

32 red satellite  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:46pm

The clever graphics on the cover....such superior intellect. I can see why liberals love him. They're all trapped in 1st grade.

33 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:27:51pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

I suspect they did and approve of it or do not give a damn.

34 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:13pm

Wow! I am mighty impressed. Great detective work. (Should earn you a pulitzer but you know how that goes.)

This isn't just communism with a little 'c.'

This is BIG 'C' Communism.

I'm sending it to all my intel people.

The American people can NEVER EVER, EVER say they Haven't been warned!

35 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:27pm

re: #25 Ojoe

Where does the hippie with a pencil come in? Are there marginal notes to reveal?

There were marginal notes and underlines galore, made with a grubby pencil, which I had to make disappear. An extremely laborious process.

36 StudSupreme  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:48pm

Think what a truly miserable existence Bill Ayers must have.

Just imagine waking up every morning as Bill Ayers, going to the bathroom, looking in the mirror, and having to behold the monstruous corruption reflected back at you.

37 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:55pm

re: #26 zombie

I think the whitewashing of communism has gone on for too long and run too deep. It's not just Che, it's Mao, it's Castro. People just have no idea how deadly communism has been, therefore they don't see the problem with commies. Most people think the Vietnam war was wrong, so I don't think they'll see the problem with this manifesto, although they should.

38 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:28:59pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.


Not meant to slight any ones hard work.

39 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:04pm

I can't help but ask the question, where did you find this? Maybe I do not want to know.

40 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:10pm

Not factually innocent, you mean. But apart from quibbling about typos, the important thing here is that Ayers has an idea with the potential to have great effect. I wouldn't call it a good idea, mind you, but from the point of view of his side in this struggle, it's a good move.

The idea is to radicalize the next generation. Win for the far left some measure of control over education. Radicalize the teachers by getting them to emulate the Annenberg project's activities in Chicago. Eventually, if it works, you'll be able to walk into power on votes, just like Ortega did in Nicaragua. Killing is good clean fun, and Ayers isn't the least bit sorry he tried it, but if it doesn't work, you have to try another tactic. He's on Plan B. And Obama has fellow-traveled, at the very least, with this Plan B.

Let's hope they were each cynically using the other. The O'President, all but anointed in his own mind and quite possibly soon to be anointed for real, has thrown everybody and every idea under the bus as it became inconvenient. Dare we hope that this Plan B, too, is not a principle of his?

41 wheelz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:11pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

+1 will anyone even bat an eye?

42 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:31pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

Read the essay. The Obamatons are starting to backpedal, and claim Ayers is acceptable company. This stops them cold in their tracks.

43 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:36pm

I'm talking to my mom. She's asking me why the FBI didn't know about this and release it.

Good question, ma.

44 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:37pm

" In other words: He (Ayerrs) wasn’t against the war, he was against our side in the war."

Everything old is new again, eh?

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:47pm

re: #41 wheelz

No. They won't.

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:29:57pm

OHHHHHHHH! Just a guy in the neighborhood.

Obama will sleep well, of course. He agrees with Ayers, at least upon many things.

Obama's handlers won't dare leave the vicinity of the toilet.

47 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:05pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

It's up to 3200+ now. I suspect many have read it and approve its message.

48 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:11pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

I think the whitewashing of communism has gone on for too long and run too deep. It's not just Che, it's Mao, it's Castro. People just have no idea how deadly communism has been, therefore they don't see the problem with commies. Most people think the Vietnam war was wrong, so I don't think they'll see the problem with this manifesto, although they should.

Tens if not hundreds of millions killed by Communism in one shape or the other.

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:29pm
The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war.


Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

50 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:39pm

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:40pm

re: #5 zombie

Yup.

Sorry if it's disappointing!

Hell, no. Great job!

52 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:47pm

re: #39 wright1

I can't help but ask the question, where did you find this? Maybe I do not want to know.

You do not want to know. Some things cannot be said.

53 tripletdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:30:59pm

Pretty RED cover, there, Mr. Ayers.

54 a marine mom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:09pm

Now there's a friend I'm glad I don't have!

55 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:17pm

re: #19 TheMatrix31

I posted it on FB and my blog - and my husbands FB because mysteriously I have no friends. And I am chasing away my husbands friends because he went to High School in Vermont and have all decided I am a corrupt force of evil. But it fun comments. Want to be my FB friend so I don't look like such a loser?

56 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:20pm

re: #31 Perplexed

Che was a murdering thug who didn't suffer enough before dying.

For anyone on facebook, there is a group "Che Guevara Was a Murderer and Your T-Shirt is Not Cool." They're 50-60K strong.

57 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:20pm

Good find, Zombie.

I saw 0bama's blurb on OReilly/Greta last night.

58 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:26pm

re: #35 zombie

Ah well, thanks for your work.

I remember a less bad organization in my college days called "Movement for a New Society" same kind of goals, but renouncing violence.

59 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:31pm

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

60 Magalaga Ding Dong  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:40pm

Looks and sounds like a lot of the material that was taught in a few of my English Lit courses at Western Oregon University. At one point, the lecture was getting so ridiculous I asked the teacher to identify himself as Marxist since he was preaching it with such fervor, and he couldn't deny it.
/Donate now to your local university

61 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:31:55pm

Is anyone notifying Drudge and Fox?

This is news.

62 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:32:07pm

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" and "spreading the wealth".

How similar, how thematic.

63 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:32:48pm

Zombie, as always your hard work is much appreciated and admired.
But it is starting to become obvious that many people in this country are thinking that communism would not be so bad.
Look at Obama - the guy almost admits he is a socialist.

Unfortunately Ayers and friends could have killed thousands of Americans - and the left would only love him and Obama more.

Al Queda is no longer our main enemy. It is Ayers and his thousands (millions?)of communist friends that pose a greater danger to this country.

I am completely disgusted with the so called Democrat party who is going to try to destroy this nation.

64 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:33:34pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

I think Ayers finally figured that out sometime in the '80s when he started getting professorships and positive press from his former chums, now all in the media.

65 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:33:48pm

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

It springs to mind.

66 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:11pm

re: #55 ArmyWife

I posted it on FB and my blog - and my husbands FB because mysteriously I have no friends. And I am chasing away my husbands friends because he went to High School in Vermont and have all decided I am a corrupt force of evil. But it fun comments. Want to be my FB friend so I don't look like such a loser?

Sure. How can I get you my name?

67 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:17pm

Sent an email to the guys at Powerline, put up a thread in their forum.

68 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:21pm

This son of a bitch has molded B-HO to what he is today. That the media absolutely refuses to talk about this, while being fully aware of B-HO's relationship with them, plus his "reverend", the Nation of Islam, and others that are openly seditious to the United States; is simply mind-boggling. With B-HO's willing accomplices in Congress, they are plainly stating their goals of making the United States a Socialist/Communist nation, pure and simple. The (sym)pathetic MSM knows they will be exempt from the rules that the B-HO administration will bring down on our nation. I'll bet BIG money that B-HO will make extensive use of the Executive Order and simply bypass Congress when it's convenient for him to do so.

Just eleven days until our nation decides what it wants to be.

69 Midwestprof  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:22pm

re: #47 HDrepub

It's up to 3200+ now. I suspect many have read it and approve its message.

IMO they ought to reorganize the HUAC and go after those bastards. Gives the rest of us a bad name. Good-for-nothing, piece of shit libtards!

70 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:50pm

99.9% of those who wear Che t-shirts have no idea that he would randomly pick people as enemies of the state, put a pistol to their heads, and blow their brains out.

Their image is of a pot-smoking laid-back rebel, who wanted peace and groovie-ness.

In short, they are utterly ignorant fools.

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:50pm

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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72 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #52 zombie


Thankful nonetheless...

73 DisgustingOratory  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:34:56pm

When you read this, it's clear these types are the most pro-war people there are. As in civil war.

74 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:10pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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I posted it on StumbleUpon!

75 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:12pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

(1) THEY won't get to be the ruling class. The best they can hope for is to be an honored guest in a foreign country.
(2) There's more money and therefore power to "build socialism" in a capitalist country. Once the place is already fully socialist, it's a dump!

76 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:15pm

re: #63 ghost707

The Democrats voted on party lines against the 13th amendment outlawing slavery, in 1865.

So you see, they have a history.

77 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:28pm
78 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:56pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Because they want to destroy the United States. The drive toward communism is really nothing more than an infantile desire to defeat the authority/daddy-figure. They don't give a good god-damn about Cuba or Russia or anywhere else. They only exist as training grounds for the real end-game, which is toppling the US.

79 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:35:57pm

E-mailed to Glenn Beck.

80 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:06pm

I LOVE YOU, ZOMBIE!

81 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:09pm

B-HO, Ayers, and Farrakhan all live in the same damn neighborhood! But, I'm guessing that is purely coincidence, right?

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:09pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

Now that's messed up.

83 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:10pm

ayers is holding his putrid commie breath, hoping his puppet gets elected.
it is then he will try to push his insidious agenda to bring us to our knees.
what has happened to america that allowed the enemy to get so close?

84 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:12pm

Got to pack. Early am flight and got to return the rental car.

'Night.

85 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:17pm

re: #79 Palandine

E-mailed to Glenn Beck.

Hannity. . .

86 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:32pm

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

87 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:33pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Besides the obvious, that they talk a good game but don't want to give up the luxuries of freedom, communists believe that communism can never truly work and move on the final stage until the whole world is communist.

So America must be destroyed. There are other places of freedom sure, but really, once we're gone, who will be left to stop the easy take-over of the rest?

88 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:37pm

Thanks for publicizing this, Zombie. Americans don't yet realize how close they are to putting a true believer of this garbage into the White House. Obama getting elected would be a validation of the ideas laid out in this publication by Ayers and Dohrn - communism.

89 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:36:50pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

Now that's messed up.

Forgiving him. . .I guess. . .

90 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:04pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

THAT is one thing I think would be considered scandalous.

91 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:11pm

re: #28 n in wi

It's all meaningless because the general public has not linked Obama with Ayers.

Yes, but now Obama is on record as describing Bill Ayers as a respected academic reformer. He linked himself, at least in soundbytes.

92 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:22pm

re: #57 jetprop

Good find, Zombie.

I saw 0bama's blurb on OReilly/Greta last night.

I'm crossing my fingers this new post will get similar coverage!

93 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:24pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Wrong. All it takes is friendly media and weak opponents.

.....and people who sit out the election.

94 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:32pm

re: #90 wolfie

THAT is one thing I think would be considered scandalous.

But, its the JEWS remember. . oh wait. . .

95 Purple Prose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:48pm

Follow the money:

[Link: marathonpundit.blogspot.com...]

96 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:37:50pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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Buzz and Digg this baby, folks!
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Digg it here: [Link: digg.com...]

97 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:01pm

re: #93 twincitiesgirl

.....and people who sit out the election.

For reasons that do not make any clear logical sense. . .

98 KingKenrod  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:03pm

Obama was this guy's pal for at least a decade. He claims that he thought Ayers was reformed.

Even if you take Obama's statements on Ayers as truth, would you want someone that gullible and ignorant to be president? Someone who is such a poor judge of character? What other thugs will he think have been reformed? Who else is he going to trust?

99 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:11pm

Zombie, great work.... I think I had a copy of this at one time, I found it in a whole earth catalog at a dome I was building in Alaska. Dunno what happened to it.
I tracked back and linked as well.

100 SWPaul  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:18pm

I hardly think I'll be able to get drunk enough to read this book and his 'White Supremacy' book too. Coin toss time.

101 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:24pm

I've got a real knack for posting at the end of a thread. Hopefully there's something useful here that will excuse a copy:

I went to Google Book Search, but found only a snippet view available for Prairie Fire. [of course now we know what Zombie had brewing--many thanks!].

However, The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground, by Ron Jacobs (1997) is available in full text: [Link: sunrisedancer.com...]
That may be a helpful add-on for Zombie's work.

And for the humor of it, there's also a romantic fiction work with the same Prairie Fire title [by Catherine Palmer, 1998]. It had these blurbs attached:

In "Prairie Fire," the flames that threaten to consume the town called Hope are overcome by the flood of love and forgiveness in the hearts of...
and
The fictional town of Hope discovers the importance of forgiveness, overcoming prejudice, and the dangers of keeping unhealthy...

How weird is that?

102 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:35pm

Major kudos to you, Zombie! The Kennedy lovers are going to have a hard time with the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

103 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:38:37pm

ok guys
start linking and sending this to EVERYONE every blog you read, everyone on your e-mail list EVERYONE
lets see how fast we can get this into the mainstream

104 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:06pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

And yet I somehow don't see the Kennedy clan renouncing Ayers and then the O', at least not before the election is over...

105 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:07pm

Lots of US citizens simply don't give a shit. They want their video games, their reality shows, and to be the boss at their new job at age 22. People like that need to stay away from the polls and let the adults take charge.

106 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:15pm

re: #91 Scion9

Yes, but now Obama is on record as describing Bill Ayers as a respected academic reformer. He linked himself, at least in soundbytes.

I was sold long ago. I'm just skeptical about making it stick where it counts.

107 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:17pm

Thank you Zombie - I am reading thru the material and I am sickened by how many of their stated goals they have actually achieved, or are about to achieve.

They are dedicated in their evil cause. WE need to be equally as dedicated in our good one.

And may I add, if God be for us, who can be against us?

108 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:19pm

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

109 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #85 DisturbedEma

Hannity. . .

Glenn might actually reach a few undecideds. Off to send to Drudge...

110 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:37pm

re: #102 livefreeor die

Major kudos to you, Zombie! The Kennedy lovers are going to have a hard time with the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

Yeah, until you realize he never cam clean on Chappaquidick

111 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:53pm

re: #9 wright1

I suspect they did, and most of them wish they had written it.

112 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:39:57pm

re: #65 Ojoe

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

It springs to mind.

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

113 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:01pm

Communists suck.

114 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:09pm

I sent the link to Rush, and Heritage.

115 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:20pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

116 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #86 rawmuse

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

I cannot say.

117 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:22pm

re: #78 zombie

Because they want to destroy the United States. The drive toward communism is really nothing more than an infantile desire to defeat the authority/daddy-figure. They don't give a good god-damn about Cuba or Russia or anywhere else. They only exist as training grounds for the real end-game, which is toppling the US.

I find it interesting that I can't seem to find what they actually wish to achieve, other than destruction. Okay - so you smashed the Man. Now what?

118 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:31pm

re: #85 DisturbedEma

Hannity. . .

Greta...

119 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:35pm

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

120 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:40:39pm

re: #50 Carolyn

I will never understand why these "communists" don't just move to Cuba or Russia or any number of hell holes, why the attempt to "change" the US?

Being a communist revolutionary is only anything other than drudgery and pain when you are a daring operative bringing down the evil democracies in this world, then it's so very exciting.

Lots of drugs, sex, violence (mostly imagined), rock and roll.

121 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:01pm

re: #115 wolfie

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

Yep, for sure. . .

122 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:04pm

There are 3 copies available at [Link: www.abebooks.com...] for those who have $75+

123 n in wi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:04pm

re: #108 DistantThunder

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

But Obama was only 12 in 1974

124 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:07pm
125 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:12pm

Aaaggghhh!

I just knew this would pop up minutes after I left the site. Off to have myself a good read now.

126 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:22pm

re: #92 zombie

I'm crossing my fingers this new post will get similar coverage!

Ditto, just sent it with Greta..

127 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:35pm

re: #110 DisturbedEma

Yeah, until you realize he never cam clean on Chappaquidick

Ah, but no Kennedys died there. That's always the key issue for their rabid followers. Now if Teddy had killed one of his fatherless nieces or nephews, history might have been different (and thank God he didn't kill one of them, just to be clear).

128 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:41pm

re: #120 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Being a communist revolutionary is only anything other than drudgery and pain when you are a daring operative bringing down the evil democracies in this world, then it's so very exciting.

Lots of drugs, sex, violence (mostly imagined), rock and roll.


Yeah, like the frat party on Dad's birthday 300 miles away from home

129 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:41:57pm

I thought something about this book sounded familiar.

Both books use “storms” and “horizons” both as metaphor and as reality. Ayers writes poetically of an “unbounded horizon,” and Obama writes of “boundless prairie storms” and poetic horizons—“violet horizon,” “eastern horizon,” “western horizon.”

Either Ayers was aided and abetted Obama in his writing or Obama was familiar with and influenced by Ayers writing.

130 readytofight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:04pm

Great job, Zombie. Keep it coming.

131 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:10pm

sent it to Drudge. great work, Zombie.

132 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:12pm

re: #126 jetprop

Ditto, just sent it with Greta..

PIMF: with to

133 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:30pm

re: #117 mama winger

I find it interesting that I can't seem to find what they actually wish to achieve, other than destruction. Okay - so you smashed the Man. Now what?

Phase 1: Collect underpants.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit

134 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:39pm

re: #26 zombie

If a knew a journalist I could trust, I know someone who could give a great interview on Che. The left would not be happy.

135 6pat6  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:42:41pm

B-HO is certainly guilty of lousy judgment...for his entire adult life. Why the hell does ANYONE want this punk elected as President? Nothing about him is Presidential. If that jerk ends up as POTUS, you can bet I'll do everything possible to keep my kids from joining the military! His vision of the military (with that asshat Gen McPeak as the likely SecDef) is a nightmare to come for our troops.

136 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #119 sleepyone

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

137 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:16pm

Prairie Fire:
"a searing and timely account of some courageous individuals"
Barack Obama

138 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:23pm

re: #119 sleepyone

Zombie, maybe this was already asked but who published this? I'm assuming it's self-published or some fringe imprint of a revolutionary bookstore.

Something called the Communications Company. There are a few copies available on Amazon.

139 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:25pm

I should have quoted Jack Cashill in post 129

140 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:30pm

I just posted it at supportbillayers.org. I put my name as "Prarie Fire" and my organization as the URL of Zombie's page.

141 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:43:53pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

Okay. Will do. Thanks.

142 peppermintboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:26pm

i know, right now, I'm on the good side of History. any doubts, if any, have totally vanished. Thanks to you Zombie!
thank you!
Merci!

143 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:41pm

re: #111 de La Valette

Sorry Wolfie - I just read your comment at #33. Greta minds think alike, heh.

144 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #140 gmsc

I just posted it at supportbillayers.org. I put my name as "Prarie Fire" and my organization as the URL of Zombie's page.

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

145 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #122 jemima

There are 3 copies available at [Link: www.abebooks.com...] for those who have $75+

Obama's people will be buying them up like Kerry's people bought up his commie diatribe.

Democrat lurkers, please, think. If your leaders have to COVER UP their beliefs, past, former associates, are you so sure they are the good guys?

146 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:54pm

re: #108 DistantThunder

So we have

The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx, 1848

Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, 1925

and last but not least.....

Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, 1974

I'm sure they would all find themselves in good company if they weren't so seperated by time.

147 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:44:54pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

[Link: www.supportbillayers.org...]
Includes a list of those who "signed."

148 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:12pm

Let me guess...
Criticizing this makes me racist.
But if I criticize it, I'm ant-socialist.
Which should make me anti-racist.
But-criticizing this makes me racist.
[repeat loop]

149 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:36pm

don't forget the instapundit

150 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:40pm

re: #9 wright1

Didn't some 1500 college professors just sign a petition for this jerk? I suspect they did not read this piece of trash.

What makes you think they'd disagree with this manifesto?

151 TXNavy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:42pm

Perhaps Ayers decided it should adopt a different method to spread his communist filth.

152 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:47pm

re: #144 mama winger

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

It's not 3k. I read the list. It is stuffed full of duplicates, and fakes. Being generous, it's half that.

153 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:48pm

re: #76 Ojoe

That's not the only time they tried keeping them down.
The Democrats did it more recently as well.

154 sandspur  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:45:53pm

Good, zombie! Thank you as always for your hard work! I linked this on my Facebook so all my college-age relatives and friends can see the truth about the guy their professors support.

155 reno911  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:15pm

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

156 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:15pm

re: #134 de La Valette

If a knew a journalist I could trust, I know someone who could give a great interview on Che. The left would not be happy.

The left would not give a damn.
He was on their side. That's all.

157 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:29pm

re: #144 mama winger

What is scary is that of those three thousand or so college professors who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers, SOME of them have to be familiar with this work. And they are teaching our kids.

I'm going to see if any of my husband's colleagues are on that list. If so, I've got some major league snubbing to do. (He's full professor with tenure so I can snub away!)

158 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:46:53pm

re: #55 ArmyWife

ArmyWife..I would be honored to be your friend on facebook...IF ya teach me how to blog on there -Do you know how? I have been posting vids on the Democrats,Fannie and Freddy but wanted to put up a full page that I update everyday instead of just on my wall. I see there are a few Blog apps and was wondering if you could recommend one . THANKS!

159 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:08pm

Hey Zombie,

when do we get part 2?

160 Rhino Dryke  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:22pm
161 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:31pm

Okay, I think my prediction was a pretty good guess:

I'll take another stab. I think there might be a playbook written by Ayers and his friends for electing a Manchurian Candidate which outlines the basic background and qualities of who this ideal candidate would be that they need to find and groom as well as a master plan to win the election, including the need to organize a group like ACORN to foment anger amongst minorities while also registering them to vote using all available means, legal or otherwise.


But credit goes to dear old dad who died many, many years ago. When he first saw communist groups like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers he said, "They're planning on taking down the United States from within. That's how they operate."

ZOMBIE, GREAT WORK DESERVING OF A PULITZER.

162 jemima  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:38pm

#145 Silhouette

Obama's people will be buying them up like Kerry's people bought up his commie diatribe.

That's right, they probably will. But I have a text copy of Kerry's book, too.
Information can no longer be contained or restricted. Commies will try but they will fail.

163 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:57pm

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

164 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:47:59pm

P.S.
Don't forget the PUMA's

165 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:21pm

re: #144 mama winger

Tip of the iceberg, mama.

166 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:22pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

The Diggers.

167 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:38pm

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

168 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:39pm

re: #164 rain of lead

SOme of the PUMAs have become regular LGF readers- they will see this.

169 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:56pm

Emailed Rush..

170 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:48:58pm

All hail Secretary of State, Zombie.

171 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:01pm

re: #155 reno911

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

172 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:03pm

Thanks Zombie -

Haven't seen/heard of that book in over 30 years. -S-

173 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:49:14pm

Sounds like we have Rush, Beck, Powerline, Drudge covered. Who else?

Anyone have inside connections to Malkin? Ed Morrisey?

I'll try Cap'n Ed.

174 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Revolutionary cry for chaos

175 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Sounds like we have Rush, Beck, Powerline, Drudge covered. Who else?

Anyone have inside connections to Malkin? Ed Morrisey?

I'll try Cap'n Ed.

Send it to Alan Combs. . .over

176 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:28pm

re: #163 DisturbedEma

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

Agreed. That is quite a damning endorsement. I would love to hear the Kennedy's backpedalling on their resolute support for "the One" now.

177 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:31pm

Anyone who doesn't already know what a pile of excrement Ayers and his wife are isn't going to be swayed by this.

I'm sorry but Ayres is a dead issue. If McCain wants to win, he has to focus on economic issues. Fortunately, Obama has given him exactly what he needs to do that.

Why is McCain NOT focused on Obama's main economic adviser, Paul Volcker? The man brought us the 21% prime rate and double-digit unemployment of the early 1980s. Is this who we want giving our next president economic advice?

I'd be focused on Volcker, Samantha Power and Joe Biden's own words from the primaries and his latest "open mouth, insert foot" moment. Two straight weeks of ads in the swing states.

But I'd be playing to win. I can't say that about the McCain campaign I've seen so far.

178 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:42pm

Anything I'd like to say on this would be no good, so I'll hold my tongue ,and stay within the rules out of respect for Charles and this site. These anti-war people often used the names of genuine US military operations as a form of mockery, as in Operation Dewey Canyon for instance, IIRC it was mockingly used in one of the Pentagon marches. The real Operation Prairie Fire
Here, was guerrilla type operations cross border into Laos and North Vietnam.
(Scroll down a bit for map)

More on Dewey Canyon and Prairie Fire Here.

See Here, Dewey Canyon IIII for the mockery by John Kerry's pals, many, many have been proven to be out and out liars and phonies in the last few years.

Thanks Zombie, this never should be forgotten.

179 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:47pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

180 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #174 mama winger

Revolutionary cry for chaos

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

181 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:14pm
182 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:18pm

re: #167 mama winger

Ayers doesn't have that much clout alone, and he isn't at the bottom of that rabbit hole that is Communist infiltration. He was helped along and fast-tracked by a lot of people. Ayers happens to be another person who has benefitted by the work of lots of other traiterous scum, and then paid it forward to Obama.

183 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:35pm

re: #180 DisturbedEma

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

Dig it.

184 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #177 alexknyc

Communism IS an economic issue.

185 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:44pm

re: #179 livefreeor die

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

Misspelled!

186 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:54pm

re: #159 rain of lead

Hey Zombie,

when do we get part 2?

I'm gonna keep adding to it later tonight. Have many more links and stuff to add. But I just wanted to get this out there as quickly as possible and not wait until it was absolutely perfectly finished.

187 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:56pm

This thing is going viral, zombie!

188 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:51:57pm

re: #163 DisturbedEma

My birthday is November 22, 1970. I grew up with teachers and the parents of my friends telling me where they were when they found out he was dead.

I was always interested in the Kennedys. . .and the June 5th 1968 murder of Robert Kennedy was part of the primary, remember?

Olberass went postal on his worst thing on Hillary for her statements about his being shot. . .

And for those who dedicated their book to his killer. . .Elect the bastard!

THAT is the one item that will actually resonate.
The contents of the book don't matter. The fact that he dedicated his radical manifesto to Sirhan Sirhan does matter.

189 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:17pm

There are a lot of people who think that the Weathermen simply wanted to stop the war. This is clearly not true. They wanted North Vietnam to win it.

At some point, I think McCain should ask Obama if the rings that the Ayers were given by the North Vietnamese (who made them from U.S. airplanes they shot down) included some of the metal from John McCain's airplane.

190 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:36pm

It makes sense that this type of a manifesto was out there. Bill Ayers is nothing if not prolific. What's he published 17 books? Somebody like that would have some kind of a history from before. And he's too much of a narcissist not to have put his revolutionary ideas to paper because that's what he does.

Zombie, it was brilliant your putting this (all the clues) together and getting your cold, non-dead hands on this book. Really and truly, deserving of a Pulitzer (I know, I know, the prize has been devalued.... But that's not the point.)

I cannot honor your work enough. Brilliant, just brilliant.

191 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:37pm

Someone needs to add Zombie's page to Wikipedia's Bill Ayers entry.

192 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:52:55pm

re: #164 rain of lead

P.S.
Don't forget the PUMA's

Absolutely!
Tell the PUMAs about the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

193 ghost707  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:12pm

Posted a link over at RightNation.

194 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:14pm

re: #191 gmsc

Someone needs to add Zombie's page to Wikipedia's Bill Ayers entry.

And then we can have a pool on how quickly it gets removed.

195 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:18pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

SOme of the PUMAs have become regular LGF readers- they will see this.

For those who are, WELCOME! We are kindred spirits in at least one respect, both of our candidates have had the race card played on them by Obama-nation.

196 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:28pm

re: #183 Silhouette

Dig it.


shudder

197 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:47pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

Someone needs to catch Ted Kennedy when he's sober and show him this.

198 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:53:49pm

re: #177 alexknyc

There is currently an attempt to 'mainstream' Ayers image by the MSM and Leftist pundits. This isn't just about getting McCain elected. The Ayers story, the long march through the institutions, and the machinations for indoctrinating our children cannot be buried.

199 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #155 reno911

Look out
Helter skelter
Helter skelter
Helter skelter

200 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:30pm

re: #177 alexknyc

I agree 100% - I think if McCain stays on the Dems about how they have directly caused this who economic collapse he would grab 80% of the independent vote

201 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:47pm

Friend sent me this and figured I'd share since we have discussed this at length on LGF

"There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."

202 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:54:51pm

re: #180 DisturbedEma

Bernadine LOVED Manson's work, member. . ?

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

203 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #47 HDrepub

So how many of those clowns are working on Federal Dollars of some sort - they just provided President McCain with a good place to start cutting some spending.

If I can get my hands on that list, I will run it against what DoD funds and make an inquiry.

204 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:11pm

#129:
Isn't there a software program that allows for comparison of two works, to check for plagarism?

205 tripletdad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:14pm

What's disturbing is so many people's reaction to stuff like this.

So?

So what - big deal. Cars vandalized, signs stolen, Joe the plumber raked over the coals, so what? Ayers a terrorist? Who cares? Sarah Palin attacked in the press with such unbridled hatred? So?

They just want their party to win, and if somebody gets blown up or humiliated or lied about, well, it's not their problem.

That ability of some Dems to turn off their consciences is the real tragedy of this election. Because I've often wondered how Hitler got those rosy-cheeked boys of the Hitler Youth to be able to mow down women and children as soldiers. Just turn off the little voice in your head and do what's best for the Party.

That's what causes me to lose the most sleep, regardless of who wins this election.

206 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:19pm

re: #184 mama winger

Communism IS an economic issue.

Absolutely, but not one that people are going to vote on this year.

If McCain wants to win, he has to go after the people Obama is listening to NOW.

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #179 livefreeor die

Beatles' song that Manson and his followers referenced- I believe they left it scrawled in blood at one of their crime scenes.

It was also the name of the race war Manson predicted and that the Tate / Labianca murders were meant to incite. I was wondering why Reno911 made a post prominently featuring that phrase. It set off my Troll Detector.

208 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:48pm

re: #177 alexknyc

Anyone who doesn't already know what a pile of excrement Ayers and his wife are isn't going to be swayed by this.

I agree. We could all go out and conduct on-the-street polling and most people will still think the Vietnam war was bad. No offense, but this only matters to the choir.

209 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:50pm

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Just broke in on one of Ed's post with it - NRA ad: “Imagine”.

Heh. That should get someone's attention.

210 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:53pm

Thank you #147

211 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:55:59pm

re: #202 livefreeor die

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

Dohrn and Ayers were never "reformed." They are proud of the despicable things they did when Obama was 8 years old.

212 Steffan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:04pm

I just emailed the link to Rush. I sincerely hope he runs with it.

213 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:15pm

Use the ShareThis button, lizards. Spread it around. It's important.

214 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:30pm

O how our country was not well served by our failure to fix Ayers at the end of a rope long long ago.

215 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:43pm
216 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:44pm

Sent to Boortz..

217 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:52pm

From "Prairie Fire"

PRAIRIE FIRE is written to communist-minded revolutionaries, independent organizers and anti-imperialists; those who carry the traditions and lessons of the struggles of the last decade, those who join in the struggles of today. PRAIRIE FIRE is written to all sisters and brothers who are engaged in armed struggle against the enemy. It is written to prisoners, women's groups, collectives, study groups, workers' organizing committees, communes, GI organizers, consciousness-raising groups, veterans, community groups and revolutionaries of all kinds; to all who will read, criticize and bring its content to life in practice. It is written as an argument against those who oppose action and hold back the struggle.

Community Organizers of the World, Unite!

218 wright1  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:56:59pm

re: #205 tripletdad

What's disturbing is so many people's reaction to stuff like this.

So?

So what - big deal. Cars vandalized, signs stolen, Joe the plumber raked over the coals, so what? Ayers a terrorist? Who cares? Sarah Palin attacked in the press with such unbridled hatred? So?

They just want their party to win, and if somebody gets blown up or humiliated or lied about, well, it's not their problem.

That ability of some Dems to turn off their consciences is the real tragedy of this election. Because I've often wondered how Hitler got those rosy-cheeked boys of the Hitler Youth to be able to mow down women and children as soldiers. Just turn off the little voice in your head and do what's best for the Party.

That's what causes me to lose the most sleep, regardless of who wins this election.


The mantra of Libs and Dems and Marxists and Socialists is: The end always justifies the means (similar to the belief system of Islamic Jihadism).

219 Little Doxie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:10pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.


BINGO

220 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:45pm

Just added a link to Wikipedia's Sirhan Sirhan article.

Yeah, it'll get taken down shortly in all likelihood. Still, it wa fun to do.

221 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:57:54pm

re: #188 wolfie

THAT is the one item that will actually resonate.
The contents of the book don't matter. The fact that he dedicated his radical manifesto to Sirhan Sirhan does matter.

When I woke up this morning, I thought I was just a Democrat who was voting for the GOP this time around. . .

When I go to bed tonight, I will no longer consider myself a democrat, I will be Independent. . .and I am for John McCain!

My former party can try one last time for some honor and some respect for the people they claim to represent;

DNC- YOU MUST DENOUNCE THIS AT ONCE! In the name of the honor of the Kennedy family legacy, who's terminally ill life long member opened your 2008 convention. . .

If you do not, there will be no honor for you in the eyes of the people you claim to represent, you will have left them behind in order to support those that would destroy what is left of your party. . .

222 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:11pm

re: #203 de La Valette

So how many of those clowns are working on Federal Dollars of some sort - they just provided President McCain with a good place to start cutting some spending.

If I can get my hands on that list, I will run it against what DoD funds and make an inquiry.


Support 4 Bill Ayers

223 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:18pm

Everyone go sign up at Yahoo, and buzz this thing to the top.

224 alexknyc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:30pm

re: #198 Scion9

There is currently an attempt to 'mainstream' Ayers image by the MSM and Leftist pundits. This isn't just about getting McCain elected. The Ayers story, the long march through the institutions, and the machinations for indoctrinating our children cannot be buried.

I'm a history teacher in New York City, I know very well what you're saying.

But at this point, I'd settle for doing what it takes to not have these snakes sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom. There is always the aftermath of the election to deal with the rest of it.

225 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:32pm

Boy, I bet Hillary is wishing she had her hands on this last spring.

226 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:42pm

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It is appalling that a WeatherMansonite sock puppet is even running for the Presidency, let alone has a chance of winning it.

It's like something out of my worst nightmare. Somebody punch me and wake me up.

227 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:58:53pm

I've emailed Zombie's link to everyone I can think of and IMed it to Drudge

228 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:01pm
In an exclusive report linked here for the first time, Zombie has acquired a copy of a long-forgotten book by Barack Obama associate Bill Ayers, wife Bernardine Dohrn, and two other Weather Underground members, dedicated to RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan, written while they were in hiding from the authorities: William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: linked to itPrairie Fire.

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

229 csparky[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:16pm
230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:34pm

re: #186 zombie

I'm gonna keep adding to it later tonight. Have many more links and stuff to add. But I just wanted to get this out there as quickly as possible and not wait until it was absolutely perfectly finished.

{zombie} MWAH!

/I can't BELIEVE I just kissed a THING! ... YECH!

231 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #221 DisturbedEma

Sounds like the party left you.

Welcome aboard!

232 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 6:59:51pm

re: #202 livefreeor die

I seriously question how anyone who could praise what Manson and company did to those poor people could be "reformed".

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

233 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:20pm

God Bless you, Zombie for all your work!

234 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:21pm

re: #229 csparky

He has denounced his 'activities'. He hasn't even been asked to denounce his ideology.

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:00:43pm

re: #194 livefreeor die

And then we can have a pool on how quickly it gets removed.

Start the pool before hand.
Allow measurements in milliseconds.

236 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:07pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

It was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork, not Sharon Tate.

237 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:08pm

re: #205 tripletdad

Yes. It is scary, but true.
The reaction will be SO WHAT?

Except for that dedication to Sirhan Sirhan. Bobby Kennedy was an Obama-type god of the left back then. He is one of their Immortals.
Bombing the Pentagon, killing a cop. Yawn.
You'd have to understand the age, y'no. We were all crazy back then.
But the Sirhan Sirhan dedication is a scandal.

238 livefreeor die  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:12pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

That is pure evil. You do not go back from that kind of vicious, cold hearted celebration of such a vile act.

239 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:16pm

re: #115 wolfie

I repeat. THAT will get attention. THAT is what Hannity and O'Reilly and Rush and Drudge need to know. Killing soldiers and their dates at Fort Dix is one thing, admiring the assassin of a Democrat demi-god is another.

It will be excused, even by Chappaquidick Ted. You see it is unwise to criticize the Party Leaders.

240 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:36pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

Yes, she specifically praised how Susan stuck a fork into Sharon Tate's belly and stabbed her "piglet" (Tate of course was 9 months pregnant) as they ate dinner with their victims still warm. . .

Dear God in heaven, these people are college professors instead of in maximum security.

241 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #232 DisturbedEma

I would think their reform would be real if I saw them join a monastery, observe silence and do penance for some long decades.

But they haven't.

242 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:27pm

re: #182 Scion9

Ayers doesn't have that much clout alone, and he isn't at the bottom of that rabbit hole that is Communist infiltration. He was helped along and fast-tracked by a lot of people. Ayers happens to be another person who has benefitted by the work of lots of other traiterous scum, and then paid it forward to Obama.

Ayers' rich dad Tom is a HUGE bigwig in Chicago politics.

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:34pm
244 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:39pm

re: #3 zombie

Let the head-explosions commence!

zombie,
this is incredible what you have done.
it really shows what committed communists ayers and dohrn are.
they are unrepentant terrorists who want to bring down our country and submit us to a form of tyranny that is responsible for the deaths of over a hundred million people.
all the evidence that is unearthed abt. these anti-american operatives is very important in the public's understanding that the 60's radicals may look like normal professionals now but they still seek radical over throw of our democracy.
nothing has changed but their clothing.
ayers still says he wishes he would have bombed more.

245 Steffan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:48pm

re: #86 rawmuse

Great work, Zombie! Where did you get the book?
Let me guess, "City Lights" corner of Columbus and Broadway.
I have certainly seen other works equally seditious in there.

There are Some Things Man Was Not Meant To Know.

246 Mauser  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:55pm

Over on "Black and Right" a video was posted with the 2002 radio interview with Ayers, where he talks about being an anarchist, and a Marxist.

From the comments:

# Cameron Says:

Hm. An anarchist rejects all forms of government and feels that the individual is the law. A marxist rejects the individual in favor of the collective run by the government.

How do people like that function without heavy psychiatric drugs?

# Mauser Says:

Why else do you think they want to legalize pot, and other stuff?

247 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:02:59pm

re: #136 zombie

Hey, you need to link back to yourself from Zomblog when you get a chance. People might go there looking for this.

248 Ariel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:03:26pm

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:03:46pm

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

250 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:01pm

re: #192 wolfie

Absolutely!
Tell the PUMAs about the Sirhan Sirhan dedication.

It always amazes me when the media references Lee Harvey Oswald, they exclude the fact he was a card-carrying Red Communist.

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:04pm

re: #228 Killian Bundy

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

Obama has already been linked to Ayers enough to tar him with this. His support for Ayer's book just makes the point further. This will hurt Obama.

252 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:13pm

re: #248 Ariel

No time for timidity, ignore that advice.

253 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:19pm

re: #236 Alouette

It was Leno LaBianca who was stabbed with a fork, not Sharon Tate.

Really? I thought the book said that it was susan who told her when she was begging for her life, that she had "no sympathy for you bitch" and stabbed her "pigglet". . and the Helter Skelter was in her blood, I thought. . I read this book that had the pictures and stuff a long time ago. . .even showed the baby's bassinette. . .so sda!

254 spaceman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:28pm

I've been following what I consider to be an interesting line of analysis by Jack Cashill into similarities between Obama's memoir "Dreams from my Father" and writings by Ayers.

Your text to link...

One of the segments of prose cited for its similarity in tone to Ayer's writing is the following:

“Winter came and the city turned monochrome-black trees against gray sky above white earth. Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds.“

The use of "prairie" just jumps out at me. A few of the more convincing points of his argument: 1) Documented thanks from Islamist Rashid Khalidi for the use of Ayer's "dining room table" during his own writing process. 2) Multiple similar usages of unusual phrasing such as "corrective" as a noun. 3) A "wink" within one of Ayer's books to the "author" Obama who he lists among notables in his neighborhood. 4) Parallel "first person" accounts of observing tidal rivers flowing in both directions - used as a metaphor for a moment of forking life options. The list goes on, and to me it looks significant.

255 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:33pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

Amen.
Except for the Sirhan thing. That dedication would bother all but the hardest of the hardcore left. Bobby was the Obama of the 60's. He was the savior. That dedication sets Ayers apart from the mass of the New Left.

256 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:04:46pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

Don't forget the Red Diaper prep school from Marshall and the ILWU in Hawaii.

257 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:08pm

Well sure all this black liberation revolution destruction communism socialism is scary and all

but Palin is kind of enbarassing


I'm on the fence with this one

258 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:10pm

How did I miss this?

US secretly ships tons of Hussein-era yellowcake to Canada

By BRIAN MURPHY | The Associated Press

July 5, 2008

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

259 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:28pm

re: #213 Charles

Use the ShareThis button, lizards. Spread it around. It's important.

Pardon my ignorance but, does AOL have a place to spread this?

260 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:48pm

Let's get McCain to post this on his campaign site, create a tinyurl, and then advertise it in their campaign speeches!

261 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:57pm

re: #258 Nuclear Ninja

A link would be nice!

262 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:05:59pm
263 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:10pm

re: #228 Killian Bundy

Excellent work, last week we already linked to it, available for purchase.

Ayers sucks, where's the Obama?

/if there's no Obama it's useless

Read the essay. This is not about connecting Ayers to Obama. That is being done elsewhere. This is about stopping their escape route of claiming Ayers was just an average '60s Vietnam War protester.

I think this section from the essay bears repeating:

But Where Is the Obama Connection?

This essay is only about William Ayers' past and present political views. It is not about the connection between Barack Obama and William Ayers. That issue has been covered (and continues to be covered) elsewhere in innumerable news reports and blog postings. Yet as evidence mounts of the extensive and long-standing connection between Obama and Ayers, making their association more and more difficult to deny, Obama's campaign and supporters have started shifting their strategy; Sure, they say, Obama may have had a connection with Ayers, but why is that so bad? Look at William Ayers now: He's a completely respectable man. What -- he protested against the Vietnam War? So did everyone. He's no extremist. I see these arguments made in countless blog posts, comment sections, and even news articles. This essay exists to stop that political escape route. There's no getting around it: William Ayers was a violent communist revolutionary bent on overthrowing the government and "seizing power" in the United States. The proof is on this page. And the only difference between the 1970s William Ayers and the William Ayers whom Barack Obama associated with is a change in rhetorical style; a re-wording of his radical philosophy to make it seem more mainstream. But the underlying political thesis (i.e. communism) remains the same.

264 freedomplow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:12pm

So Obama launched his political career in the home of a terrorist and communist.

Some mighty fine friends and judgment Obama has.

265 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:18pm

re: #248 Ariel

I don't think Zombie needs to worry if you read his whole article you will see why, they partially abrogate their own copyright in the intro.

266 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:50pm

re: #221 DisturbedEma

When I woke up this morning, I thought I was just a Democrat who was voting for the GOP this time around. . .

When I go to bed tonight, I will no longer consider myself a democrat, I will be Independent. . .and I am for John McCain!

My former party can try one last time for some honor and some respect for the people they claim to represent;

DNC- YOU MUST DENOUNCE THIS AT ONCE! In the name of the honor of the Kennedy family legacy, who's terminally ill life long member opened your 2008 convention. . .

If you do not, there will be no honor for you in the eyes of the people you claim to represent, you will have left them behind in order to support those that would destroy what is left of your party. . .

You understand the importance of this one thing: the applause given to the assassin of Bobby Kennedy.

267 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:54pm

The "white supremacy" part of the manifesto caught my eye because it is the title of his upcoming book.

I believe Ayers still holds his beliefs from this book and still wants to achieve the goals set forth there. He is just going about it in a different way. In the 70s he tried to do it from the outside in. Now he is on the inside ("accepted society") and trying to change it from the inside out....

268 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:06:54pm

Palin's depositions? On what?

269 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:15pm

re: #264 freedomplow

So Obama launched his political career in the home of a terrorist and communist.

Some mighty fine friends and judgment Obama has.

Not too mention I heard his grandmother was a racist. Can't remember who I heard it from though.

270 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:18pm

Is there a link that details only the Ayers/Obama connections like the Hot Air article posted yesterday about the argument against Barack Obama?

271 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:30pm

re: #262 Nuclear Ninja

Link to #258

Thanks!

272 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:40pm

re: #253 DisturbedEma

Really? I thought the book said that it was susan who told her when she was begging for her life, that she had "no sympathy for you bitch" and stabbed her "pigglet". . and the Helter Skelter was in her blood, I thought. . I read this book that had the pictures and stuff a long time ago. . .even showed the baby's bassinette. . .so sda!

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

273 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:42pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

A lawsuit will just being more attention to it. I doubt Ayers / Obama would want that.

274 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:07:54pm

The cover is something that Satan himself would have designed - notice the flames of HELL on the cover!

What was that line in Batman about the motives of purely evil people?

"Some people just like to see things burn."

275 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:07pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

Use EVERYTHING.

I don't care what reason people have for not voting for the Messiah, as long as they DON'T vote for him. Full court press. Use all the information we have.

276 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:25pm

re: #65 Ojoe

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

277 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:27pm

re: #266 wolfie

You understand the importance of this one thing: the applause given to the assassin of Bobby Kennedy.

Let's make sure the Kennedy family sees this one.

278 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:31pm

re: #145 Silhouette

Good guess. Just tried to find them on the site and I got this.

279 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:08:57pm

re: #247 Thanos

Hey, you need to link back to yourself from Zomblog when you get a chance. People might go there looking for this.

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

280 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:35pm

re: #230 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{zombie} MWAH!

/I can't BELIEVE I just kissed a THING! ... YECH!

(sobbing) But what about us?

281 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:39pm

From Zombies report:
"We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society." Bill Ayers, Et al.

And Barack Obama is the head of that spear now.

282 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:40pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

His support for Ayer's book just makes the point further.

/Obama isn't in the same decade as Prairie Fire, not helpful

283 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:42pm

re: #276 experiencedtraveller

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

Too bad Peter Jackson left it out of the movie.

284 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:09:46pm

re: #258 Nuclear Ninja

How did I miss this?

550 tonnes of it, IIRC. You missed it because the Media are the enemy and Jorge thinks his party is above the fray. I don't think even he understands how deeply the press undermines national security.

285 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:04pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

Read the essay. I address this issue:

As an aside: Note how, on the copyright page, the authors state that the public is "free to utilize the material" in the book "for political debate and study." That is exactly how it is being used in this essay, though I think it's not quite the kind of debate that William Ayers originally had in mind! Also note that my reproduction of their material, as per their instructions, is true and accurate, and that I am not "profiteering" from it because this site has no ads and does not generate any income whatsoever.
286 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:09pm

re: #279 zombie

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

Go eat and enjoy!

287 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:12pm

re: #270 TheMatrix31

Is there a link that details only the Ayers/Obama connections like the Hot Air article posted yesterday about the argument against Barack Obama?

I think so.

288 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:15pm

Sent to Malkin...

289 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:25pm

re: #257 mama winger


but Palin is kind of enbarassing

? I find her to be the best find for the Republican party in 20 years.

290 legalpad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:31pm

re: #257 mama winger

but Palin is kind of embarassing

Does this idea relate to your concern about her creationism?

291 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:33pm

Zombie,

Beware Dan Rather. He may accuse you of fraud.

Everyone knows there were no monospace typewriters in the 1970's!

292 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:43pm

re: #263 zombie


Dammit!

Obama is president. Ayers gets convicted of something. Obama pardons.

Call me crazy, but does anyone else see this happening?

293 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:10:59pm

re: #279 zombie

Too busy at the moment. Later tonight, I'll be making many additions/updates/promotions.

Dinner time now. Haven't eaten all day!

You must eat! Sleep!

294 Fredlike  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:10pm

re: #209 Noam Sayin'

The NRA is doing good work against Obama, but the last election I think they supported Web in Virginia against Allen and he is now running ads claiming Obama is all for your second amendment rights. I guess that is what they get for supporting a Dem. At lest in this years race they are not supporting Warner.

295 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:26pm

re: #287 MandyManners

I think so.

Thanks, Mandy!

296 sleepyone  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:27pm

re: #272 Alouette

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

Alouette is correct. I've seen the uncensored photos.

297 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:11:43pm

re: #10 ruswmrun

A tree falling in the forest.... It isn't going to make any sound; because no one is listening.

McCain can make them listen if he chooses
bring up Wright again
they'll bring up the race card
then play the trump card, this

but he has to get the dialogue started

bring up his muslim schooling for cripes sake
but get the media in front of his microphone

298 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:11pm

There are still two copies available at [Link: www.abe.com...] if you want your very own to hug and caress.

299 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:27pm

Zombie- Thanks. You represent the best part of us. Good job.

300 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:46pm

re: #292 logboy

Dammit!

Obama is president. Ayers gets convicted of something. Obama pardons.

Call me crazy, but does anyone else see this happening?

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.

301 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:49pm

Where did you get that? I'm trying to compile a political collection but in Boston, the worst I can get are smutty novels.

302 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:12:50pm

Thank you zombie!

I'll be playing Alice Cooper's "Cold Ethel" in your honor tonight.

303 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:01pm

Couple things left to dig up:

1. Ayers - KGB File; should be for sale - price has probably gone up, damn Russians are Capitalists now.

2. Some evidence untainted by the warrantless surveillance.

Nice little summation - I don't know the source or the background - but its a nice list.

304 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:05pm

re: #295 TheMatrix31

Thanks, Mandy!

DTN is a marvelous tool!

305 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:22pm

re: #167 mama winger

The more I read and learn, the more I am convinced that Obama was brought to along the path to power by Ayers and Dorhn. They groomed him for this task, they taught him how to present himself. He is their Stealth Candidate. He represents them He is their voice. He is their man.

Those goals they set to promote Black Liberation and Communism and the destruction of America are targeted for lift off on November 4th. If you do not try and stop them, you are guilty too. Now that you know, you have no excuse.

"I'm just a Bill,
Yeah, I'm only a Bill,
and I'm groomin' Barack of Capitol Hill . . ."

306 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:27pm

re: #295 TheMatrix31

Thanks, Mandy!

So is IBD. And, FrontPage.

307 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:36pm

Just sent the link to The Anchoress.

308 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #282 Killian Bundy

/Obama isn't in the same decade as Prairie Fire, not helpful

It's helpful in this way:

The Obama campaign is minimizing Ayers' deeds as something everybody did in the 60's - protested the Vietnam War

This expose shows that their aims went further - to the total destruction of America, and that they have these same aims today.

So. They help launch Obama's political career - by design - with this goal in mind.

Remember - they have never renounced their ideology. They still proclaim it and are proud of it. This manifesto lets people know that what they are so proud of is not protesting Viet Nam, but their goal of destroying this country.

The argument can be made: Why would revolutionaries working for the destruction of our country want to see Obama elected?

309 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:50pm

re: #237 wolfie

Yes. It is scary, but true.
The reaction will be SO WHAT?

Except for that dedication to Sirhan Sirhan. Bobby Kennedy was an Obama-type god of the left back then. He is one of their Immortals.
Bombing the Pentagon, killing a cop. Yawn.
You'd have to understand the age, y'no. We were all crazy back then.
But the Sirhan Sirhan dedication is a scandal.

That's the big thing I just can't get over, wolfie. Democrats who love the Kennedy family should now be pretty danged upset about Ayers/Dohrn and the connection to Obama via their little fund raiser for him in their home.

Will they continue to ignore Obama's connections to Ayers? Then they have to completely disconnect from their love and respect for Bobby Kennedy and his legacy.

310 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:13:51pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

13 days to go.

/don't waste your time on this

True, we should all spend our time doing...what exactly? Reading the exposés that you've put online?

Instead of whining, dig the dirt you think needs to be dug. Instead of pointing out my failings, succeed where I have failed.

Act constructively, don't drag everything down with criticisms.

311 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:00pm

re: #276 experiencedtraveller

The Scouring of the Shire was always a favorite chapter of mine. I consider it a damning indictment of collectivism in all its forms.

Tolkien considered it most significant and necessary as well. He would have been disappointed that it was left out of the movie.

312 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:08pm

re: #292 logboy

The reason people think the Clintons didn't use all this against Obama is because Bill Clinton pardoned 2 Weathermen before he left office.

313 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:29pm

re: #280 goddessoftheclassroom

(sobbing) But what about us?

Not to worry. I was doing a necessary thing.

{ { { goddess } } }MWAH!

314 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:33pm

re: #43 Irene NYC

I'm talking to my mom. She's asking me why the FBI didn't know about this and release it.

Good question, ma.

[Link: www.foia.fbi.gov...]

Of particular interest:

Weather Underground Organization (Weatherman)
420 pages

The Chicago Office of the FBI prepared a summary in 1976 discussing the main activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weatherman. This group described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women. The FBI's analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary.

weath1a.pdf
weath1b.pdf
weath2a.pdf
weath2b.pdf
weath3a.pdf
weath3b.pdf

These are six files I DL'd recently.

315 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:14:54pm

re: #289 Dasher

? I find her to be the best find for the Republican party in 20 years.

I was being sarcastic. On another thread, a poster had stated that he was going to sit out this election because he found Palin objectionable. One reason was he found her somewhat of an embarassment.

Sorry for the confusion :)

316 MisterCookie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:02pm

I hope the frakker burns in a prairie fire in hell. How the hell is this asshole allowed to run free in this society?

317 Montaigne's Cat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:09pm

"The end justifies the means."

The end remains the same: revolution, and the overthrow of the government of United States of America.

Previously "the means" referred to violent insurrection. Today the preferred means are 1) electoral politics of the president, and 2) overhauling the systematic education of young people.

318 Nightlight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:12pm

Interesting read on this blog:

Members of Students for a Democratic Society who were unwilling to transform themselves into armed insurgents were “movement creeps,” “right wingers,” “wimpy.” At the 1969 “National War Council” in Flint, Mich., where the Weathermen irrevocably broke with more moderate S.D.S. contingents, the Weathermen posted an enemies list that included Richard M. Nixon, Hubert H. Humphrey, and the actress Sharon Tate, who had recently been murdered by members of the Manson “family.” The slogans were “Piece Now,” “Sirhan Sirhan Power,” and “Red Army Power.”

[Link: therealbarackobama.wordpress.com...]

319 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:12pm

re: #300 MandyManners

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.


With Zombie around, anything's possible.

320 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:21pm

re: #303 de La Valette

The FBI File, should however be free.

321 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:43pm

re: #267 PAgirlinNC

The "white supremacy" part of the manifesto caught my eye because it is the title of his upcoming book.

I believe Ayers still holds his beliefs from this book and still wants to achieve the goals set forth there. He is just going about it in a different way. In the 70s he tried to do it from the outside in. Now he is on the inside ("accepted society") and trying to change it from the inside out....

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

322 calcajun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

While this is fascinating, I still don't think the general public cares.

They wear Che Guevara t-shirts forcryingoutloud.

If i wore a Hitler, or Stalin shirt, I'd make one with the caption "Che was a Murderer just like Me!"

323 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:17pm

re: #240 mama winger

Dear God in heaven, these people are college professors instead of in maximum security.

That's the only place swine of their ilk can get any type of gainful employment, at one of our universities. If they worked anywhere else and their co-workers knew what they did, they'd be outcasts.

But at our F*cked up universities, they're not only considered colleagues, but also respected members of the faculty. Despicable scumbags.

324 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:27pm

re: #291 erisldysnomia

Zombie,

Beware Dan Rather. He may accuse you of fraud.

Everyone knows there were no monospace typewriters in the 1970's!

Yeah he'd have alot of luck with that claim. To partially quote Jonah Goldberg, that accusation would be about watching "one of the 20th century’s most pompous gasbags fall from the top of the laughingstock tree and hit every branch on the way down".

325 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:37pm

Emailed the story to the Reader's Rep of the Star Trib - for what that's worth.

Pretty much a dog bites man story for them.

326 WriterMom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:37pm

Hiya.

Here's a good one: Iran Picks Obama!
With friends like these...

327 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:44pm

re: #290 legalpad

Does this idea relate to your concern about her creationism?

see my 315 :)

I should have used a sarc tag

328 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:16:50pm

I'm shocked by these revelations. This is not the William Ayers I knew.

--BO

-OR-

That book was written when I was a child in Indonesia.

--BO

MSM satisfied. BO innocent on all counts.
/End of story. This will not change the game.

329 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:08pm

re: #248 Ariel

Zombie,

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I would be worried about potential copyright violations. Even without registering it, Ayers has the copyright for life + 70 years (or so) just by creating it. I would take steps to insulate yourself from potential infringement - make sure you are doing this for non-commercial purposes (no advertising on those pages) and instead political purposes. Don't quote more than a small part of the book, and certainly don't put scans of the entire book up. Add as much criticism as possible, you probably want his text to be a small part of your overall information. But you might want to see a lawyer now, before a lawsuit, rather than after.

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
/

330 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:11pm

re: #308 mama winger

NOBODY that I recall lionized Sirhan Sirhan and yet Teddy, CAroline and Maria support Ayer's protege?

331 Dianna  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:13pm

re: #263 zombie

A really excellent job, zombie.

There were a couple sections I thought could have been a bit more elegantly written, but your point is clear.

Thank you for this scarifying essay. There are no more excuses to be made for Ayers by anyone.

332 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:35pm
333 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:40pm

re: #315 mama winger

No prob... I missed the /sarc :-)

334 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:44pm

I just posted the link over at RightWingNews. Hope John sees it.

335 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:49pm

re: #312 wolfie

The reason people think the Clintons didn't use all this against Obama is because Bill Clinton pardoned 2 Weathermen before he left office.

I've been saying that for weeks now.

336 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:17:56pm

re: #321 zombie

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

Point out Zombie, that he has our children.

337 JHW  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:01pm

An unbroken chain.....from these types in the 60s till today. Remember, one of the first things Carter did was pardon the deserters and draft dodgers. Democrats really support the troops. ///////Sarc

338 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:01pm

re: #222 HDrepub

I got it now. Nice to see my Alma Mater isn't on the list, also not a strong list of Engineering schools.

339 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:12pm

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

340 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:17pm

re: #263 zombie

This is not about connecting Ayers to Obama. That is being done elsewhere. This is about stopping their escape route of claiming Ayers was just an average '60s Vietnam War protester.

And? Are we trying to put Ayers and his wife where they belong?

/step back and look at where you are and why

341 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:33pm

One of the most salient things in this is the stance on Palestein and Israel. You will see it differs none from the average leftist view today.

342 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:35pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

No way!

343 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:44pm

re: #294 Fredlike

Actually, the NRA belatedly supported Allen in that Senate race. They didn't dedicate anything to the campaign because he was thought to be a shoo-in. When Webb pulled even toward the end, the NRA came in with a small last-ditch effort.

I hope Webb pays dearly some day for these Obama ads. Anyone who thinks Obama is pro-2nd amendment is a fool. Webb is no fool. That makes him a lying scoundrel.

344 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:47pm

re: #330 SpartanWoman

NOBODY that I recall lionized Sirhan Sirhan and yet Teddy, CAroline and Maria support Ayer's protege?

Incredible, innit?

345 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:18:53pm

Great work Zombie!

346 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:07pm

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

347 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:10pm

I'm still trying to figure out how to sink Obama's boat with this filth. The degree of filth doesn't seem to have an impact.

We need a video of young Barry in a Madrasa memorizing this stuff.

348 Ariel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:16pm

re: #285 zombie

I don't know enough to know whether an author can disclaim a copyright. While that seems likely, I'm not sure about it.

I do know that it helps that you are not making money.

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:18pm

re: #334 x-wing

I just posted the link over at RightWingNews. Hope John sees it.

Was it worth hunkering down for?
(-:
/ribbing you

350 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:36pm

re: #319 logboy

With Zombie around, anything's possible.

As much as I respect Zombie, that's not true. If the government had had the information separate from that which was obtained by the illegal surveillance way back when, Ayers probably would still be behind federal bars.

351 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #272 Alouette

Sharon Tate was stabbed to death with a knife. and Leno LaBianca was stabbed with a fork after being killed with a knife. Dohrn may have been mistaken about this. There were a lot of rumors at the time that Sharon Tate's baby was cut out of her, but this did not happen, and she was not stabbed in the abdomen.

I remember this from the Bugliosi book.

I don't remember the author, but it had pictures in the middle of the crime scenes, with the bodies edited out, but with all the other details, like the guy in the car, and the bodies in the houses. . . shudder and shake!

352 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:52pm

re: #313 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not to worry. I was doing a necessary thing.

{ { { goddess } } }MWAH!

(sniff) Just remember...

MWAH!

353 Dasher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:53pm

re: #346 erisldysnomia

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

They might give him a promotion

354 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:59pm

re: #342 SpartanWoman

No way!

Scum at Kos would spin it as a positive.

355 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:19:59pm

re: #344 mama winger

Incredible, innit?

Beyond incredible. CLinton may have pardoned a weatherman, but he sure as shit would have never ever pardoned Sirhan.

356 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #300 MandyManners

How would a case against Ayers even make it to trial? The best evidence the Feds had was thrown out ages ago.

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

357 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:24pm

re: #254 spaceman
It jumped out at me, as well, I quoted Cashill in post 129.

The coincidental use of "prairie" imagery by Obama (who was raised in Hawaii, lived in New York and Chicago) seems even more unlikely than the nautical themes that Cashill isolates.

I suppose the folksy sweet potato pie riffs are an attempt to appeal to the southern voter. Maybe some "prairie" imagery would help him in Ohio or Missouri. I shouldn't be too difficult for OHB to pull it up since he used it so eloquently in "Dreams." I would love to see someone compare Obama's stump speeches with his writing.

358 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:27pm

re: #321 zombie

BINGO!

That's what I'll be addding tonight.

Oh, fanfuckingtastic! This will bring it all to the here and the now.

359 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:32pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Horrible idea- they'll read it and get all fired up for the revolution. They DIG this stuff.

360 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:38pm

re: #348 Ariel

I don't know enough to know whether an author can disclaim a copyright. While that seems likely, I'm not sure about it.

Indeed they can.

361 AmericanDefender  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:20:39pm

Charles - LGF Spy is your best feature - Recommend strongly disabling links and comments...page scrolls too fast for the average Joe. Then enjoy the comments and check out what you want

362 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:03pm

re: #350 MandyManners

As much as I respect Zombie, that's not true. If the government had had the information separate from that which was obtained by the illegal surveillance way back when, Ayers probably would still be behind federal bars.

Doubtful. He'd have been pardoned by Bubba.

363 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:06pm

re: #257 mama winger

Well sure all this black liberation revolution destruction communism socialism is scary and all

but Palin is kind of enbarassing


I'm on the fence with this one

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

364 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:17pm

re: #328 dentate

I'm shocked by these revelations. This is not the William Ayers I knew.

--BO

-OR-

That book was written when I was a child in Indonesia.

--BO

MSM satisfied. BO innocent on all counts.
/End of story. This will not change the game.

Interesting interpretation. Now try actually reading the article so that you get the point.

365 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #322 calcajun

People in this country celebrate May Day, and still think the anti-war movement of the 60s and 70s was "right on!" It's beyond troubling that people don't care about the evil of communism, but that's what we're working with. An ignorant populace.

I miss my Grandmother. She was the first person to tell me Jane Fonda was a bitch because of Vietnam and that we could have won that war. Gone are most people who agreed with her. The left has been far too good at rewriting history. I applaud zombie's work, I just doubt it's impact because of the decades long whitewashing.

366 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #319 logboy

Hey! Did you read what I posted earlier today about EMDR?

367 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:25pm

re: #308 mama winger

It's helpful in this way:

The Obama campaign is minimizing Ayers' deeds as something everybody did in the 60's - protested the Vietnam War

This expose shows that their aims went further - to the total destruction of America, and that they have these same aims today.

So. They help launch Obama's political career - by design - with this goal in mind.

Remember - they have never renounced their ideology. They still proclaim it and are proud of it. This manifesto lets people know that what they are so proud of is not protesting Viet Nam, but their goal of destroying this country.

The argument can be made: Why would revolutionaries working for the destruction of our country want to see Obama elected?

Okay, Ayers is absolute scum.

/WHERE'S THE OBAMA?

368 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:21:56pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

I double-dog dare you!

369 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:29pm

re: #136 zombie

Read the essay. The copyright page with all the info is there.

Which leads me to ask, why do commies need copyright?
After all, they think everything should be free.

370 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:30pm

re: #309 Intrepid

Yes. That Sirhan dedication will get the attention of moderate Democrats and independents.
As for the plans to destroy America and rebuild the new age. Yawn. What else is new?

371 AmericanDefender  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:34pm

meant links and Ratings

372 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:35pm
373 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:39pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.


are their heads splodin or has it been deleted yet

374 holycrusader  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:50pm

Zombie, thanks for this! After reading this piece of garbage, I can't believe that anyone would consciously want to associate with "Billy" Ayers. This guy is filth. The association between this guy and Obama is pretty clear. Same neighbourhood, office building, and "educational" boards. How many more dots do we need to connect them? I've done some some stupid things in the past, that I am deeply sorry for. Billy Ayers is unrepentant and that make him even more despicable in my book! Shame on those people who signed that stupid petition.

375 rorschach  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:51pm

Posting this Prairie Fire document is RACIST!

Saying anything untoward about obama's associates or their work is RACIST!

Under the obama regime, everyone associated with this website should be sent to a gulag in Wyoming.

/everyone except me, of course.

376 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:51pm

re: #331 Dianna

A really excellent job, zombie.

There were a couple sections I thought could have been a bit more elegantly written, but your point is clear.

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving? I'll be working on it later tonight. The thing is still a work in progress. Constructive (Note that word: constructive) criticisms encouraged!

377 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:22:52pm

re: #351 DisturbedEma

I don't remember the author, but it had pictures in the middle of the crime scenes, with the bodies edited out, but with all the other details, like the guy in the car, and the bodies in the houses. . . shudder and shake!

That was Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter." High-octane nightmare fuel if you read it when you're 11 (which I did).

/and to think, the Messiah's political career was launched in a house where such acts were celebrated

378 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:14pm

re: #356 x-wing

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

Ayers and Dohrn?

Hold on.

379 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:15pm

Who are we to determine what will have influence and what will not?

Our responsibility is to publish the truth so people can make their own judgments. We are not charged with the outcome, we are only charged with doing our duty. We are not responsible for the choices people make, but we are responsible for giving them all the information we can find.

Zombie has done WARRIOR duty.

Let it all out. Every bit of it. Throw everything we have at these F'ers. Everything. At the end of the day we can say we LEFT NOTHING ON THE FIELD.

Thank you ZOMBIE !

380 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:19pm

Checking further--It's very odd that none of the 40,000+ libraries indexed through WorldCat seems to have a copy of Prairie Fire.
Ayers' others works are listed, and those interested can use WorldCat to locate nearby libraries with holdings: [Link: www.worldcat.org...]

And yes, Zombie's post has gone viral--its the top Google return on a search for that book.

381 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:21pm

Free tacos for everyone!

382 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:21pm

re: #311 OldLineTexan

Tolkien considered it most significant and necessary as well. He would have been disappointed that it was left out of the movie.

I agree, along with Tom, who was a very dear piece of the book I missed a lot, though the movies are good . . .

383 code red 21  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:25pm

re: #368 MandyManners

I double-dog dare you!

They'll consider it their Bible.

384 van helsing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:27pm

If this was a fascist police state empire as Billy Ayers claims, wouldn't he be like, you know, DEAD for G_dsake? Instead of TEACHING at a university?

Have these people really no grasp of what they say?

Oh. Never mind.

385 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:35pm

re: #353 Dasher

They might give him a promotion


Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

386 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:36pm

re: #281 CapeCoddah

I just finished my blog piece on this after reading Zombie's essay. I pointed out that I've been worried - I've been tongue in cheek about being scared, but now? I'm honestly frightened - Ayers is evil, but not stupid. He is more than capable of using Alinsky methods consistently and accurately, he is more than capable of realizing duping the left and the media wouldn't be so hard given the right set of circumstances. He knew, by his study of Alinsky, that dissent must be silenced through intimidation. Perhaps worse, he is more than capable of preying on an individual who has psychological issues due to being dumped by his father AND his mother. Obama must have had a need to be wanted, be loved, be important, to not be something somebody would want to throw away any more. Ayers could have promised - and delivered - on all of the above. In return? Your soul. He schooled Obama on Alinsky methods, can't go off course or the whole plan falls apart. To make the picture perfect and believable to the mainstream? A wife and family. Let's see - a person who has been raised to believe and fully embrace the idea they are the victim of American society with a good dose of vindictiveness and some power hungry on top.

I'm concerned I sound like the conspiracy theory kooks that I make fun of so often, but wow, this is quite conceivable.

387 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #356 x-wing

Since the One is so hot on invading Pakistan to get terrorists and violating their sovereignty - maybe the Paki's should come snatch this one from us - just to make a point.

388 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #352 goddessoftheclassroom

(sniff) Just remember...

MWAH!

The link no workie
You are overwrought
Calm down.
There's nothing so serious that we can't work it out.
pat pat pat ... scritch scritch scritch

389 zombie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:25pm

re: #339 Noam Sayin'

Hey, somebody put it up at Kos.

Link?

390 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:28pm

re: #366 MandyManners

Hey! Did you read what I posted earlier today about EMDR?


Yeah why, are you suggesting I need help?

391 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:32pm
392 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:44pm

re: #349 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was it worth hunkering down for?
(-:
/ribbing you

Budweiser and Marlboro stock should go up tomorrow;>}

393 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:44pm

re: #359 ClosetConservative

Horrible idea- they'll read it and get all fired up for the revolution. They DIG this stuff.

Guess I went a little overboard, there.

394 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:53pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

It was a joke, people. Mama Winger may be a Cubs fan*, but other than that, she's 100% cool.

*runs away

395 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:57pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

Not sure why you find Palin kind of embarrassing and what you're on the fence about.

Please see my 315 post


/ last time I leave off the sarc tag :)

396 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:24:59pm

Hey guys:

We're a pretty large and active online community. We ought to do more organized fuss-making, as in sending this to every news anchor in America or putting stuff up on the web. Take a page out of the lefties' book. Their tactics manage to make the weaker argument defeat the stronger (to quote Plato), so why don't we use them to help OUR stronger argument? The internet is a powerful tool.

This is political dynamite. A lot of people probably agree with what is agreed with therein (*cough* Rasmussen 44% for wealth distribution *cough*), but how about the people who don't? There's disgusting, vile stuff between the covers. We've got to work to put this on the airwaves, if it's even possible with today's media.

397 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:07pm

re: #346 erisldysnomia

By the way, every administrator at the Univ. of Illinois Chicago deserves an email about this.

What makes you think they'd disagree with this?

398 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #389 zombie

Link?

www.dailykos.com

I have a nic I could burn...

399 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:22pm

Sheesh!
What y' have t' put up with in stoopid CATS!

400 metoothen  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:26pm

Zombie,

Wow.

Really.

I think the idea of spreading this far and wide, even after the election is necessary. The crypto-Marxists (and not so hidden race-gender-class frauds that populate the academy) need to be exposed, now and forever.

I think this country will have terrible buyers remorse come January 21 if Barack Hussein Obama is elected, especially after the taxes are raised, Israel is destroyed, and the reeducation camps open (perhaps I exaggerate.)

Hopefully, someone talented in such things could fashion an Obama t-shirt, ala Obama's proto-Che image with the words Praire Fire underneath.

I for one would wear that shirt and I suspect that many others would as well.

Great work.

401 bikeguy65  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:56pm

re: #75 wolfie

(1) THEY won't get to be the ruling class. The best they can hope for is to be an honored guest in a foreign country.
(2) There's more money and therefore power to "build socialism" in a capitalist country. Once the place is already fully socialist, it's a dump!

and they can't exist with the example of freedom that the US is out there. Just the existence of a free and great nation destroys their ideas. They have to kill the idea of the America

402 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:25:58pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

You're at Stout? Lemme at em.

Seriously. Tell me who to write. I send tax money there.

403 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:07pm

re: #377 Palandine

That was Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter." High-octane nightmare fuel if you read it when you're 11 (which I did).

/and to think, the Messiah's political career was launched in a house where such acts were celebrated

Shudder shudder SHUDDER! Yeah, I was a kid too, and remember the chill I felt reading that book.

To think I am raising children in a time that sees the protege of these horrible people as the New Hope. . .I am speechless!

404 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:10pm

Anyone see this? Gov. Palin is the second mot powerful Governor in the country.
[Link: kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com...]

405 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:13pm

re: #376 zombie

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving? I'll be working on it later tonight. The thing is still a work in progress. Constructive (Note that word: constructive) criticisms encouraged!

Ties to current views on Palestine, let me dig and see if I can find you something.

406 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:19pm

re: #367 Killian Bundy

Okay, Ayers is absolute scum.

/WHERE'S THE OBAMA?

Starting his political career in his house, working with him on several boards, having an office in the same small building, writing gushing praise of his crappy books...

407 onslow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:25pm

Sorry if this has been posted before but it must be read to be believed-Bill Ayres forced this woman to have sex with his roommate and his brother.

Remembering a Sixties Terrorist

408 AceR  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:32pm

re: #205 tripletdad

I would suggest that educators like William "Billy" Ayers have succeeded in "enlightening" a couple of generations of our children.

It's called warfare and Bill Ayers is dead serious about winning. He and his cohort didn't succeed in overthrowing America back in the 70's, so they regrouped, got some teaching credentials, and assimulated into mainstream America. How very guerrilla!

And how brilliant! How best to overcome the "enemy" (those who love our country and don't want it to become a socialist commune) than by looking like a regular "Joe" (I couldn't resist), becoming a "respected" professor at a university, throwing a party for "community organizer" in his upscale Chicago neighborhood who was looking to get his feet wet in politics?

409 Beach Lover  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:39pm

re: #129 ljmw

I thought something about this book sounded familiar.

Both books use “storms” and “horizons” both as metaphor and as reality. Ayers writes poetically of an “unbounded horizon,” and Obama writes of “boundless prairie storms” and poetic horizons—“violet horizon,” “eastern horizon,” “western horizon.”

Either Ayers was aided and abetted Obama in his writing or Obama was familiar with and influenced by Ayers writing.


Haven't read comments down from this to see if anyone else has responded to yours, but there was much posted a few weeks ago that showed that Ayers was more likely than not to have penned Obama's first book Dreams From My Father. While some thought it a stretch at the time, (there were experts that pulled similarities just like the ones you point out). That and the fact that the book was unlike anything Obama had ever written. It didn't get legs. IIRC, it was during the financial meltdown and no one wanted to talk about Ayers and his deepening connection to the One.

410 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:26:40pm

re: #314 abolitionist

Once I go to the foia page, the link don't work. I get kicked off altogether. Bizarre, no?

411 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:14pm

re: #379 mama winger

Who are we to determine what will have influence and what will not?

Our responsibility is to publish the truth so people can make their own judgments. We are not charged with the outcome, we are only charged with doing our duty. We are not responsible for the choices people make, but we are responsible for giving them all the information we can find.

Zombie has done WARRIOR duty.

Let it all out. Every bit of it. Throw everything we have at these F'ers. Everything. At the end of the day we can say we LEFT NOTHING ON THE FIELD.

Thank you ZOMBIE !

Todah Rabbah Chaver! Chaverim! Chatever!

412 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:28pm

re: #356 x-wing

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

No.

An unusual combination of New York political and law enforcement leaders have condemned former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Susan L. Rosenberg, a one-time member of the Weather Underground terrorist group who was charged in the notorious 1981 Brink's robbery in Rockland County that left a guard and two police officers dead.

SNIP

At the time of her arrest, she was wanted on charges related to the 1981 armed robbery of a Brink's armored car in Nanuet, N.Y., a holdup that was supposed to raise money for the Weather Underground and other radical groups. But Ms. Rosenberg denied any involvement in the Brink's robbery and was never tried on those charges, because Mr. Giuliani, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, indicated that given her 58-year sentence on the New Jersey weapons charges, there was no need to proceed with that case.

She requested a pardon after federal prosecutors in 1999 cited evidence of her role in the Brink's case as a reason she should not be paroled on the New Jersey charges. Because she was never tried or convicted in the Rockland County case, it was unfair to deny her parole, her lawyer, Howard Gutman, said yesterday.

Howard Gutman.

413 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #386 ArmyWife

I'm right there with ya. If you are nutty then so am I.

414 Sol Roth  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:30pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

WTH? For what?

415 Buck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:38pm

Can we get Obama to review this book?

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:45pm
417 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:48pm

re: #167 mama winger

Dorhn was a recruiter for the WU. Wonder if the explains a certain lack in o's history.

418 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:27:52pm

re: #385 logboy

Don't bother trying to change academia. I've already had my grade docked a few times since returning from Iraq. Its like trying to bail out a boat with a teaspoon. Right now I'm treading water.

Oh, really?

Considered TheFire.org?

419 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:04pm

re: #392 x-wing

Budweiser and Marlboro stock should go up tomorrow;>}

When they come through the Gap, just remember, go for their command vehicles.

420 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:06pm

re: #312 wolfie

Right, they aren't exactly clean - I think they sure as shootin' know what is happening - I think they have tried to support as covertly (with some overt thrown in) McCain not out of vindictiveness (maybe part of the reason), but because they know the truth. They know McCain must be elected, but they can't say why, and they can't completely alienate themselves from the Dem party who have been bamboozled - all they will see is the Clinton's aren't true Democrats - party over for Hillary.

421 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:11pm

*F the MSM

422 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #388 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The link no workie
You are overwrought
Calm down.
There's nothing so serious that we can't work it out.
pat pat pat ... scritch scritch scritch

sigh...

423 onslow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:36pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

Yes

424 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:43pm

re: #383 code red 21

They'll consider it their Bible.

Well, click my avatar to see what I think of such filth.

425 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:46pm

re: #406 Palandine

Starting his political career in his house, working with him on several boards, having an office in the same small building, writing gushing praise of his crappy books...

...and hiring him as a ghost-writer...maybe.

426 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:28:56pm

Has anyone sent this to the McCain campaign?

427 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:17pm

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428 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:22pm

re: #415 Buck

Can we get Obama to review this book?

Heh..we need a blurb..

429 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:23pm

re: #412 MandyManners

THAT Gutman ?!?!

sheesh

this goes deeper than I knew

430 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:26pm

Just got to the bit where he dedicated the book to Sirhan Sirhan.
Jeepers, creepers!

431 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:39pm

re: #376 zombie

Seriously, tell me, what sections need improving?

/you need to make it stick to Obama or it''s pointless, we already know William Ayers and his wife are far more entrenched than Chutch

432 Freedom Fan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:41pm

"Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit. Socialism means control of the productive forces for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions. Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative quality of life for all."
-Praire Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, buddies of Barack Obama

"A lie told often enough becomes truth. The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses. He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.

If socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years. Sometimes - history needs a push. One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. No amount of political freedom will satisfy the hungry masses. Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. To rely upon conviction, devotion, and other excellent spiritual qualities … that is not to be taken seriously in politics.

The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.

The goal of socialism is communism."
-Vladimir Lenin

"White Folks' Greed Runs a World in Need"
-Barack Obama parroting his mentor Jeremiah Wright in "Dreams From My Father"

433 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:53pm

re: #3 zombie

Let the head-explosions commence!

Very strong work, Zombie.

This alone ought to be enough for Ayers to get ridden out of his cushy Academic job on a rail. . .if the U. of Illinois Chicago had any scruples at all. (Of course he's tenured, and they clearly do not).

Unfortunately, ultimately this is about Obama, and so long as he is going to lie about his connections with Ayers, and the press isn't going to call him on it, this is just another book some lunatic wrote when Obama was 8 years old.

434 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:29:59pm

re: #314 abolitionist

Thanks. I found a direct reference to Ayers here.

Go to page 5 of the PDF or page 188 of the document pages.

Dohrn is covered on page 13 or page 198 of the document.

The current FBI FOIA site for the WUA is found here.

========================

Thanks Zombie. The fact that this book was also dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan should be troubling for the Democrats.

435 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:02pm

re: #391 buzzsawmonkey

At least half the people I talk to about this stuff think--seriously--that all the communists magically disappeared when the Soviet Union dissolved.

One of the biggest problems in getting people today to take this material as seriously as it should be is that the younger voters do not even remember the existence of the Soviet Union, except dimly from their Weekly Readers.

Even adults who should know better do not think that communism is a threat. The USSR is gone; we get all our plastic crap from China. Yes, they have a communist government, but they trade with us, so, like, what's the big deal? Tiannanmen Square? What's that? The Olympics were cool.

That short-term memory is our, and America's, biggest enemy--and it has been cultivated by today's educational systemmedia and entertainment.


Fixed that for you.

436 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:12pm

I think a timeline would help some people understand the implications of Obama being so closely tied to Ayers/Dorhn. I can't remember all of the dates off the top of my head but something like -

19XX - Michelle works with Dorhn, 19XX Michelle meets Obama because of Dorhn, 19XX Obama meets Ayers, 19XX-19XX Obama works with Ayers, 19XX works with Ayers in same office building, 19XX lObama aunches political career in Ayers' living room and on and on. 2001 Ayers says America makes him want to puke and they should have done more.

I'm sorry, you do not spend 15 years associated with someone who has such obvious hatred and contempt for this country without knowing their true feelings. The only reason Obama would continue to associate with him is because he agrees with Ayers. They share the same views.

Another thought, if you add up all of Michelle's and Obama's comments of how America is mean, need to change it, blah blah blah and then add in a 15 year relationship with Ayers'/Dorhn and the new title of Ayers' book "White Supremacy..." It just adds up more and more...

437 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:13pm

re: #389 zombie

Wow! Well - at least we will get a preview of the talking points to be published in an hour or so refuting this!

Good job, Zombie. Really. As was said yesterday maybe? I'm proud to know you - sorta. Of course now I will be sleeping even less than I did before thanks to this... ;)

438 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:15pm
439 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:26pm

re: #363 poopeedoo

sarcasm

440 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:33pm

zombie- I think you need to highlight the dedication. I really don't think people who don't know enough about communism are going to care about a lot of this, but that's a real stomach turner.

441 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:39pm

re: #364 gmsc

I have read it, I respect Zombie for what he has done to this point, but MY point stands. Unless you can get Obama *voters* to read this and make the connection--not me, or others who hang out here on LGF--it won't resonate. It will go the way of the (almost) equally awful Wright stuff. The MSM will shout louder and louder about Palin's wardrobe until Ayers stuff is drowned out.
What we need now is a quote from BO reviewing THIS book, or mentioning in some way that he was aware of it. We all know he must have been aware, but you need a statement or something in print. He needs to be SOLIDLY connected.

442 Alouette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #384 van helsing

If this was a fascist police state empire as Billy Ayers claims, wouldn't he be like, you know, DEAD for G_dsake? Instead of TEACHING at a university?

Have these people really no grasp of what they say?

Oh. Never mind.

And, since he's a rich establishment dude, shouldn't he kill HIMSELF?

443 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #430 rawmuse

Just got to the bit where he dedicated the book to Sirhan Sirhan.
Jeepers, creepers!

Powerful, that.

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:52pm

re: #422 goddessoftheclassroom

sigh...

ROFL!
That had to set up!

445 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:53pm

re: #311 OldLineTexan

There is no way Hollywood would have made that part of the tale. I'm amazed CS Lewis even got considered.

446 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:30:57pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

zombie- I think you need to highlight the dedication. I really don't think people who don't know enough about communism are going to care about a lot of this, but that's a real stomach turner.

I'd put it up near the top, really.

447 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:31:17pm

re: #412 MandyManners

So how did Gutman, attorney for Weather Underground Terrorists, hook up with the Big O ?

And why ?

448 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:31:36pm

re: #426 Sharmuta

I did - but perhaps more would be helpful? Still looking in the mirror to see if I really HAVE morphed into a conspiracy nut and before the night is over I'll be discussion alien invasions and abductions!

449 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:31:38pm

re: #380 The Archivist

Checking further--It's very odd that none of the 40,000+ libraries indexed through WorldCat seems to have a copy of Prairie Fire.
Ayers' others works are listed, and those interested can use WorldCat to locate nearby libraries with holdings: [Link: www.worldcat.org...]

And yes, Zombie's post has gone viral--its the top Google return on a search for that book.

Don't forget to add that LGF comes in second place. ;)

450 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:32:01pm

re: #390 logboy

Yeah why, are you suggesting I need help?

Because you posted that you have PTSD.

RSVP.

451 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:32:19pm

re: #442 Alouette

And, since he's a rich establishment dude, shouldn't he kill HIMSELF?

The death stuff does not apply to the politically pure, just the rest of us

452 oldengr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:32:32pm

If interested. you can find copies of Prairie Fire selling for $70-75 on Amazon.com.

453 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:32:53pm

re: #435 goddessoftheclassroom

Fixed that for you.

Not really a 'fix'; more like an addendum.

454 HDrepub  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:32:59pm

re: #378 MandyManners

Ayers and Dohrn?

Hold on.

No. It was two women, a Susan Rosenberg and a Linda Sue Evans.

455 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:33:03pm

re: #449 poopeedoo

and mine is a close 3,000,000,000,000!

456 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:33:21pm

OK Americans, the prairie fire is finally closing in on us. Some could see it coming for 50 years. This election is a referendum on Communism in the United States. A vote for the "O" is a vote for the ideas of Ayers and Dohrn. Get McCain elected, or burn in the approaching commie hellfire.

457 metoothen  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #452 oldengr

Buy them quickly before they disappear down the memory hole.

458 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:33:34pm

Be careful with EMDR, it pays to have a great practitioner trained by Dr Shapiro herself

459 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:05pm

re: #458 SpartanWoman

Be careful with EMDR, it pays to have a great practitioner trained by Dr Shapiro herself

I had one. Amazing thing.

460 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:05pm
461 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:15pm

re: #451 SpartanWoman

It was forced upon him, you see, by his father, and he is now using it to spread the word. That cancels out the evilness.

462 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:19pm

re: #381 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Free tacos for everyone!

You're not rooting for the Phillies?

463 reno911  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:23pm

It's no accident that Ayers is an educator. Communists have always understood that whomever controls education controls reality. Our children are indoctrinated by communists in public (government run) schools and no one bats an eye. Most people are so far gone that they actually support sending their children off to Government Indoctrination U. It's a government function to educate doncha know?

The 60's radicals are about to realize the objectives, that they spelled out in various manifestos, 40 years ago. Prairie Fire is just one of many.

The Left also controls most of the mass media. Not by accident. By design. For obvious reasons. Control reality.

I am not advocating civil disobedience. I am not an alarmist. I am simply urging you to take whatever steps you deem appropriate to prepare to "Protect and Defend the Constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

464 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:24pm

GOOD MORNING REPTILIA!

So I'm browsing my art site's political forums and apparently it's not just the Democrats committing voter fraud. The original poster also claims that ACORN was found not to have committed fraud (I've found charges and inditements, but no convictions.)

Discuss?

465 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:35pm

Excellent work Zombie!
I recently saw a link here to the

466 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:40pm

re: #436 PAgirlinNC

There are/is a Ayers/Obama timeline/s out there. I've seen at LEAST two links, though it might POSSIBLY be to the same one.

Get on Gateway Pundit, Hot Air, etc.

467 tedzilla99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:34:47pm

This is devastating - if he was McCain's buddy or Palin's pal, this would have been all over the networks in June.

Zombie you're the rockin-est undead corpse ever!

468 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:16pm

re: #460 taxfreekiller

Your just a big ol fuzzy puppy, ya know that ?

{tfk}

469 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:16pm

re: #463 reno911

and should be served with a nice orange sauce?

/

470 Dianna  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:18pm

re: #376 zombie

Would you prefer I do it in email? I can grab bits and paste them here, with my suggestions, but you know - and I know - that that's a loooong way to do it.

Besides, this is writing, not anything on information. Your organization is fine, and the information can't be dismissed because of the scans. This is just my sense of style coming out.

471 nigella  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:32pm

I agree with those of you who think this should be given to Hannity.He is really into the Ayers story.I think this could really counteract the "Professors" letter saying Ayers is an upstanding "educator."

472 van helsing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:38pm

re: #442 Alouette

And, since he's a rich establishment dude, shouldn't he kill HIMSELF?

Good point. Pity that logic is foreign to his ilk.

473 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:47pm

re: #386 ArmyWife

If this is you, you are at number three on a Google search. Congrats.

474 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:35:49pm

re: #430 rawmuse

Just got to the bit where he dedicated the book to Sirhan Sirhan.
Jeepers, creepers!

Remember how Caroline Kennedy so willingly worked with Obama on his Vp selection

475 Outrider  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:02pm

Interesting. Google turns up: Prairie Fire, A Progressive Voice of the Great Plains.

Prairie Fire is a monthly regional journal of public policy and the arts. We aspire to become the progressive voice of the Great Plains by providing engaging, thoughtful and bipartisan discourse on political matters, as well as compelling analyses and critiques of the arts and humanities. The newspaper is distributed by direct mail to selected recipients and all subscribers, and it is available for free pick-up at various locations in Nebraska. Local distribution is completed by the fifth of the month and regional distribution by the 10th.


Progressive. Got to love the buzz words.

476 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:21pm

re: #465 allahakchew
And I thought we were just being snarly about re-ed camps!

477 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:30pm

re: #387 de La Valette

Wouldn't bother me. Heck, I'd hand him over.

/

478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:35pm

re: #462 arethusa

You're not rooting for the Phillies?

Actually, I bet Ozzie $50. I have the Rays. I tried to get him to take Tampa!

479 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #439 OldLineTexan

sarcasm

I thought Mama Winger drank the Kool-Aid there for a minute.

480 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:46pm

Freedom Fan:

"There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. To rely upon conviction, devotion, and other excellent spiritual qualities … that is not to be taken seriously in politics." - Lenin

Wow. I was just trying to explain to someone today that this is Obama AND the radical left, in a nutshell. They claim to care about all, but in fact they care only about their objective, which is Power. Right out of Lenin's playbook.

481 code red 21  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:36:52pm

re: #424 MandyManners

Well, click my avatar to see what I think of such filth.

I did, that's funny. LOL

482 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:37:13pm

re: #471 nigella

I agree with those of you who think this should be given to Hannity.He is really into the Ayers story.I think this could really counteract the "Professors" letter saying Ayers is an upstanding "educator."

Let's make it so.

483 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:37:23pm

re: #464 laZardo

Not now! We got big doings going on in here! Zombie has struck again, I am not sleeping even more, TFK just b*tch slapped KillianB and someone else is roasting a duck!

484 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:37:25pm

re: #462 arethusa

You're not rooting for the Phillies?

Tonight more praises than curses! ;-) It's a close one though, hope they hang on.

485 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:37:52pm
486 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:37:56pm

I've sent it to O'Reilly. Maybe we'll see it tomorrow night. Think Olberdork would touch it?

487 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:02pm

re: #473 Bubblehead II

Holy cow...I feel faint

488 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:09pm

re: #479 poopeedoo

I thought Mama Winger drank the Kool-Aid there for a minute.

LOL

lil ol military mom evangelical right wing prolife biblethumpin gun carryin me ?

Never :)

489 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:16pm

re: #483 ArmyWife

I'm just saying. I need evidence of actual convictions of ACORN members, not just charges and inditements.

490 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:35pm

re: #463 reno911

It's no accident that Ayers is an educator. Communists have always understood that whomever controls education controls reality. Our children are indoctrinated by communists in public (government run) schools and no one bats an eye. Most people are so far gone that they actually support sending their children off to Government Indoctrination U. It's a government function to educate doncha know?

The 60's radicals are about to realize the objectives, that they spelled out in various manifestos, 40 years ago. Prairie Fire is just one of many.

The Left also controls most of the mass media. Not by accident. By design. For obvious reasons. Control reality.

I am not advocating civil disobedience. I am not an alarmist. I am simply urging you to take whatever steps you deem appropriate to prepare to "Protect and Defend the Constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Oh, did I vote more than once?

491 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:39pm

re: #441 dentate

but MY point stands. Unless you can get Obama *voters* to read this and make the connection--not me, or others who hang out here on LGF--it won't resonate.

You're not going to change the minds of the Obamatons. This needs to get out to the Independents and the undecideds. They're going to decide the election mostly.

492 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #485 goddessoftheclassroom

Ooooo! Look what I found!

Snap it up GOTC - take one for the team ! !

493 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:39:14pm

Sent to Lucianne G.

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:39:32pm

re: #422 goddessoftheclassroom

sigh...

{goddess}
I'm calling it quits for tonight. Was going to leave about 4 hours ago, but hung around because of zombie's impending post. ... *yawn* ... you have a great evening, babe ... MWAH!

495 jas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:39:43pm

Well done, Zombie. As usual, the lapdogs of the media couldn't be expected to actually inform the public of the fraud that's been hoisted upon the voting populace. It takes people actually concerned for the future of this country to actually do any legwork. The Left certainly has done an effective job of inoculating the public at large of the horror of communism, so much that when an obvious empty vessel with a nice shine that the Marxists have ordained as "their one", seems centrist to even supposedly intelligent people. But, yeah, Sarah Palin, she's just not experienced enough, and she's not book-read enough for the conservative elites.

496 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:39:45pm

re: #348 Ariel

I don't know enough to know whether an author can disclaim a copyright. While that seems likely, I'm not sure about it.

I do know that it helps that you are not making money.

Here is an auto trailer that our server puts on the end of every post.

* * NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 Section 107, this material
is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. Provided by nnnnnnnnnn.

We have never had a problem in over 14+ years.

497 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:39:56pm

Stolen base in the 6th inning means a free taco from Taco Bell for everyone in America on October 28th from 2-6 pm.

498 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:05pm

Hey, you know what else this could do? Remember all the academics who signed a petition in support of Ayers?

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

I wonder how many of those buggers will have their name removed if this hits primetime.

499 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:08pm

More recent book, as the song goes "teach your children well..."

Westheimer, J., & Kahne, J. (2002). Educating for Democracy. In R. Hayduk & K. Mattson, (2002). Democracy's Moment: Reforming the American Political System for the 21st Century. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield. Chapter 7, 91-107.

Westheimer, J., & Kahne, J. (1998). Education for Action – Preparing Youth for Participatory Democracy. Chapter 1 in Bill Ayers et al. (Eds.), Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader. New York: New Press/Teachers College Press, 1-20.
[Also published as Westheimer, J. & Kahne, J. (2000). Education for Action: Preparing Youth for Participatory Democracy. The School Field. Special issue: Theorizing Citizenship Education III. XI(1/2), 21-39. ]

500 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:18pm

I'd like to get an electronic copy of this into the in boxes of the 3000 college professors who signed a petition supporting Ayers. I'm sure it will make no difference to most of them, and in fact may even make many of them like him even more. But it could change a few minds among those who still have some vestige of a conscience, especially if it's emphasized that Ayers does not regret what he did, wishes he'd done more of it, still hates and wishes to destroy America, and has not "redeemed" himself or "made amends" in any way by becoming a professor ... he became a professor precisely to promote his radicalism from "within the system."

501 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:24pm

re: #356 x-wing

Didn't Clinton already pardon these two scumbags?

Clinton Commuted Weather Underground Sweetness & Light
Excerpts:

“I rob banks with black people,” said Rosenberg, alias “Elizabeth” and “Barbara Grodin.”

In October of 1981, Rosenberg’s gang held up a Brink’s truck in Nanuet, New York, killing guard Peter Paige and two police officers, Edward O’Grady and Waverly Brown, the first black officer on the local force. Rosenberg drove the getaway car and managed to escape.
[snip]

The outgoing president went the second mile and also commuted the sentence of Rosenberg’s comrade Linda Sue Evans. She had been convicted in the plot to bomb the United States Capitol in 1983.

Related: LAURA WHITEHORN

Whitehorn, for her part, found refuge in another domestic terrorist organization - the May 19th Communist Organization, which served as a support group for the Black Liberation Army, an ultra-violent splinter faction of the Black Panther Party. The May 19th Communist Organization also worked in conjunction with the Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation, a Marxist terrorist outfit responsible for 120 terrorist bombings in the United States. In 1981, Whitehorn's new group brutally murdered a security guard and two police officers in an armored truck robbery in New York; their goal was to procure additional funds for their terrorist bombing campaign.

Same group/gang.

502 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:27pm

re: #458 SpartanWoman

Be careful with EMDR, it pays to have a great practitioner trained by Dr Shapiro herself

Indeed!

503 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:44pm

re: #489 laZardo

Ok - that's fine with me! I'm talking about Ayers and his plan to take over our Country right now, though. ;)

504 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:45pm

re: #497 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Stolen base in the 6th inning means a free taco from Taco Bell for everyone in America on October 28th from 2-6 pm.

Really ?

I love free stuff. I am a huge lefty.

SARCASM PEOPLE ! ! :)

505 Odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:53pm

Hildabeast sighting in Minnysoda.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) came to Minnesota tonight to urge the election of comedian-commentator-candidate Al Franken to the Senate.

Glad to see the DNC has given top priority to HRC helping Oblabla. She is off in the Minn. wilderness with FRANKEN.

UNBELIEVABLE!

Some in our party are having a tizzy fit over Palin while the DNC is BACKING Franken 100% no problem.

506 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:54pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Thank you, wrong Weathermen I had in mind.

/but still, sheesh, to pardon any of them

507 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:40:56pm

re: #409 Beach Lover

I've been following Jack Cashill as has spaceman in post 254. Of course it is hard to prove but Cashill is putting together a good case. He's getting some help from an unnamed congressman and a university group. Perhaps if the evidence is compelling enough it will be enough to get someone to ask BHO about it.

508 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:41:01pm

re: #65 Ojoe

And this Ayers guy, he groomed 0bama like a dog.
Sauron, Saruman.

It springs to mind.

And the media are all Grima Wormtongues.......

509 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:41:17pm

re: #495 jas

Well done, Zombie. As usual, the lapdogs of the media couldn't be expected to actually inform the public of the fraud that's been hoisted upon the voting populace. It takes people actually concerned for the future of this country to actually do any legwork. The Left certainly has done an effective job of inoculating the public at large of the horror of communism, so much that when an obvious empty vessel with a nice shine that the Marxists have ordained as "their one", seems centrist to even supposedly intelligent people. But, yeah, Sarah Palin, she's just not experienced enough, and she's not book-read enough for the conservative elites.

We need to promote this as a symbol of the wonders of communism.

510 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:41:23pm

re: #478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Actually, I bet Ozzie $50. I have the Rays. I tried to get him to take Tampa!

Ozzie is loyal!

/Plus, he wouldn't have juggled a ball like Howard just did.

511 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:41:34pm

re: #460 taxfreekiller

Killian Bundy
TFK grows tired

That is not a good thing.

Killian, if you want to lead a squad into the peoples woods,
go, find the point walker, the drag, your on blog, you know
lead off where ever the hell you want to, misdirection is not
a good thing, sometimes its not about you.

ps
leave mama winger alone

I'll consider myself appropriately schooled.

/this is still so much bull[expletive deleted], you can't defeat Obama through Ayer and you already know that

512 BakaRanger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:42:16pm

This all feels like "Red Dawn", the prequel.

513 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:42:16pm

Let's hit the media with this one. Make sure they get it in their inboxes multiple times so they don't miss it. FOX has a phone number, too.

514 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:42:38pm

I hope the next installment has chapters from the book that outlines how that, if they are not successful with the terrorism angle, they will assimilate themselves back into society and try to take over from the inside out. That would be awesome!

515 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:42:45pm

re: #500 Tigger2005

I'd like to get an electronic copy of this into the in boxes of the 3000 college professors who signed a petition supporting Ayers. I'm sure it will make no difference to most of them, and in fact may even make many of them like him even more. But it could change a few minds among those who still have some vestige of a conscience, especially if it's emphasized that Ayers does not regret what he did, wishes he'd done more of it, still hates and wishes to destroy America, and has not "redeemed" himself or "made amends" in any way by becoming a professor ... he became a professor precisely to promote his radicalism from "within the system."

Where is the petition? Maybe someone can write a script to extract email addresses if they are present.

516 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:42:56pm

re: #463 reno911

Ayers always wanted to foment revolution. Initially, as an educator he thought that was the way to go and I am talking about him before he founded the Weather Underground.

It was precisely because he saw that teaching was too slow a method to bring about the revolution that he started the WU in the first place.

517 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:43:32pm

re: #485 goddessoftheclassroom

Ooooo! Look what I found!

Zowee!

518 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:43:33pm

re: #489 laZardo

I'm just saying. I need evidence of actual convictions of ACORN members, not just charges and inditements.

ACORN members aren't going to be found guilty. You need to look for the convinctions of people for voter fraud that ACORN facilitated. They work like CAIR. "Yeah, but they don't work for us now."

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

519 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:43:39pm

re: #512 BakaRanger

I saw that when I was in third grade? Maybe younger? All I know is I didn't understand ANY of it. I just remember the shadowy sex scenes but couldn't put it all together. What were my parents thinking when they let me go?

520 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:43:48pm

re: #497 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Stolen base in the 6th inning means a free taco from Taco Bell for everyone in America on October 28th from 2-6 pm.

Yes, let's swamp Taco Bell! Make like ACORN and hop from one to the next.

Does anyone suppose Evan Longoria gets a lot of grief about his name?

521 legalpad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:19pm

re: #327 mama winger

see my 315 :)

I should have used a sarc tag

I should have checked your avatar.

522 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:25pm

I was just watching FNC, Obama was telling his audience that McCain says BHO is socialist, lots of boos.
Honestly, if taking from producers and giving to non-producers is not socialism, what is?

523 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:33pm

re: #517 MandyManners

Zowee!

I'm betting that the Ayers crowd will but these up quickly now that the news it out there

524 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:34pm

re: #500 Tigger2005

I'd like to get an electronic copy of this into the in boxes of the 3000 college professors who signed a petition supporting Ayers. I'm sure it will make no difference to most of them, and in fact may even make many of them like him even more. But it could change a few minds among those who still have some vestige of a conscience, especially if it's emphasized that Ayers does not regret what he did, wishes he'd done more of it, still hates and wishes to destroy America, and has not "redeemed" himself or "made amends" in any way by becoming a professor ... he became a professor precisely to promote his radicalism from "within the system."

Are you kidding? Those vampires are upset with Ayers for only one thing: inadvertently shining the light on their cushy seats of indoctrination and mind-control over our youth.

525 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:35pm

Wait a second, this all makes SENSE. Ayers is doing EXACTLY what his manifesto avowed. He's trying to destroy the system from the inside. How much farther 'inside' can you get than American academia? He's practicing what he preaches.

It makes sense now. What a great place to duplicate your views.

526 pbird  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:40pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Somebody is kind of young...

527 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:45pm

Hey, is that Zombie on Greta?

528 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:48pm

Some knucklehead prof is on Greta talking up the merits of Ayers the wonderful educator.

529 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:49pm

re: #292 logboy

Dammit!

Obama is president. Ayers gets convicted of something. Obama pardons.

Call me crazy, but does anyone else see this happening?

worse
if 0bame gets elected, imagine droves of DHS and military folk retiring
morale is already bad enough with the negative press coverage of the war and the war on terror
seeing 0bama and his ilk running amok would be too much
and we can't really afford to lose those people
we'd be way more vulnerable than people imagine

yet McCain won't raise the issue

530 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:57pm
531 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:44:58pm

pimf, buy

532 sammi  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:45:15pm

If McCain and Palin pull this out, it will have to be from the grass roots, for the Republican establishment is only half-hearted in its support. As an independent scholar and historian of the Left, I can tell you that the Left-wing of the Democratic Party is scandalously miseducating the electorate. Now they are complaining about the world "socialism" as if upper-class "moderate conservatives" had not used that word to describe themselves from about 1900 on. And they have become masters of propaganda, elevating the collective or "community" to defeat the terrible narcissistic typical American--the frontiersman, the rugged individualist who was supposedly all head and no heart.
They are also behaving as if each presidential candidate was a prospective "leader" by which they mean a dictator who rules by decree. What Joe the Plumber forced them to confront (and why they went after him immediately) was because he actually changed the subject from the theatrics of the "leader" to the more cerebral question of rival economic theories: supply side economics (sometimes called neoliberalism) versus Keynesian state planning and regulation of the economy. That is too abstract for CNN and even much of Fox, let alone MSM including tax-supported NPR.
I am a newcomer to LGF, but enjoy the company of Lizards. Onward and upward and defeat these elitists. I know them, I was educated with them, and everything "small town America" suspects about their class snobbery and crypto-fascism is true. I can prove it and most of you already know it.

533 TexasAC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:45:15pm

If Obama wins the election, and he and his Democrat Socialist Party take full power, a lot of us lizards, bloggers, and commentators will probably get rounded up, lined up against a wall, somewhere, and shot.

Shucks, it will have been worth it to try and stop them.

534 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:45:32pm

Can someone tell me why Obama would not be considered a communist?

535 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:45:56pm

Ayers was "Citizen of the Year" in 1997
/puke

536 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:04pm

Where can we find a LIST of all the academics that signed the petition? I agree, this has to go into their inboxes.

537 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #516 Irene NYC

Ayers always wanted to foment revolution. Initially, as an educator he thought that was the way to go and I am talking about him before he founded the Weather Underground.

It was precisely because he saw that teaching was too slow a method to bring about the revolution that he started the WU in the first place.

Electodes work well.

538 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:10pm

re: #533 TexasAC

If Obama wins the election, and he and his Democrat Socialist Party take full power, a lot of us lizards, bloggers, and commentators will probably get rounded up, lined up against a wall, somewhere, and shot.

Shucks, it will have been worth it to try and stop them.

We shoot back.

2nd amendment thingie. The Founding Fathers studied history, you know.

539 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:31pm

re: #518 Scion9

ACORN members aren't going to be found guilty. You need to look for the convinctions of people for voter fraud that ACORN facilitated. They work like CAIR. "Yeah, but they don't work for us now."

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

I've read that some ACORN members are currently serving jail terms from previous election crimes.

540 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:36pm

re: #528 VioletTiger

Some knucklehead prof is on Greta talking up the merits of Ayers the wonderful educator.

but educators are a huge part of the problem people

they are the ones brainwashing our kids with socialist, anti-American, anti-white, anti-heterosexual dogma


that people can say Ayers is held in high esteem because he is a teacher is just amazing - they forgot what teachers really are !

541 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:46:54pm

Barry's communist connections:

Mom & Dad, both avowed communists.

Frank Marshall Davis "mentor" & proud communist.

Jeremiah Wright, against "middle-classness"? As he enjoys his Tinley Park mansion.

Odinga: cousin-violent-kenyan-commie

In spite of all these connections, I still firmly believe that Obama is a centrist.

542 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:47:07pm

re: #435 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm glad you work in a decent school district. (I'm even gladder that the students there have a teacher like you!) But buzzsaw's original statement stands. Many public school districts, perhaps even a majority, embody leftist assumptions in the curriculum. And as for the universities,...........
Good grief.

543 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:47:25pm

re: #523 SpartanWoman

I'm betting that the Ayers crowd will but these up quickly now that the news it out there

Bidding against the pool of Lizards and those who read here?

HA!

544 BakaRanger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:47:30pm

re: #539 DistantThunder

I've read that some ACORN members are currently serving jail terms from previous election crimes.

Makes it easier to register felons.

545 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:47:45pm

re: #533 TexasAC

If Obama wins the election, and he and his Democrat Socialist Party take full power, a lot of us lizards, bloggers, and commentators will probably get rounded up, lined up against a wall, somewhere, and shot.

Shucks, it will have been worth it to try and stop them.

Oooh... would that be the:

National Democratic Socialist Party?

It goes by some other names, too.

546 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:47:49pm

Great video of the Saracuda on Obama's crisis scenarios.

I love "Crisis number 5"

547 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:05pm

The knucklehead prof is another aging hippie. Figures.

548 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:07pm

re: #497 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Stolen base in the 6th inning means a free taco from Taco Bell for everyone in America on October 28th from 2-6 pm.

What? No drink included? Well, is someone gonna come to my house and pick me up and take me there? Where's MY hand-out?

549 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:07pm

Zombie:

Re old view of Palestine vs. new, this is from Ayer's blog in 2006:

[Link: billayers.wordpress.com...]

Two years ago Joel Klein, Chancellor of the NY public schools, bowed
to a heated and disingenuous attack by a group of zealots against any
American academic who had the temerity to deviate from Israel’s
elaborate,self-aggrandizing, and thoroughly dishonest story of itself,
and announced that Rashid Khalidi, the esteemed historian from
Columbia University, would not be allowed to speak at school-sponsored
teacher development sessions. Klein in effect scuttled a program in
which Columbia provided, pro bono, academics from a range of
disciplines to engage with teachers in staff development activities

550 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:15pm

re: #535 Carolyn

Ayers was "Citizen of the Year" in 1997
/puke

What?

551 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:17pm

re: #301 ClosetConservative

Try [Link: www.abe.com...] they are an association of used/overstock booksellers on the web. Frequently, but not always, cheaper than the dealers that you will get pointed to when by Amazon or you want a cheap(er) used copy. I filled in the last few missing volumes of the 42 volume set "The Trail of the Major War Criminals" (the official transcript of the Nuremberg trials printed in Nuremberg) by hanging out and checking them from time to time. I have been able to buy books as far back as the late 1800s through them. If you know the title or author its worth a shot with their advanced search. I bought a copy of Prairie Fire from them tonight. That left two more copies out there. I do not buy books like this except as used or remaindered. I do not wish to add to their author's income.

552 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:23pm

You know, I think perhaps you could make the Obama connection this way: use the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" strategy.

In other words, Senator Obama, were you aware of this work by Mr. Ayers?

If you were, how can you explain your willingness to sit on a board with him (I would never join a club that would have me as a member....)

If you were not, how is it that you were unaware of something like this? Shouldn't an intelligent politician with high ambition know with whom he is sharing the board table, since it will reflect on him in the future?

If he did know about it, he is a liar or worse. If he did not know about it, then he is incautious and a fool. My guess, though, is that if this becomes big news, Mr. Ayers will go under the bus, the One will apologize for the association, and a free pass will be had by all.

553 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:29pm

Oh snap, disreguard my last post, sorry Zombie. Should've listened to the entire interview.

554 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:41pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

YES. Please repeat that over and over and over!
That is the highlight.

555 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:47pm

re: #539 DistantThunder

I've read that some ACORN members are currently serving jail terms from previous election crimes.

I'm not sure about that, but it is likely. They have definitely hired criminals with backgrounds useful in registering voters however.

556 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #533 TexasAC

If Obama wins the election, and he and his Democrat Socialist Party take full power, a lot of us lizards, bloggers, and commentators will probably get rounded up, lined up against a wall, somewhere, and shot.

Shucks, it will have been worth it to try and stop them.

Saddam used buses in the Kurdish north. Rounded up 180,000 people from about 100 villages. Told them to take some things because they were being relocated. Then they were driven usually at nighth to pre-dug mass graves, and executed fathers mothers and pregnant women and children.

557 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:01pm

re: #510 arethusa

Ozzie is loyal!

/Plus, he wouldn't have juggled a ball like Howard just did.

Ozzie's career stats....52 errors in the Major leagues

558 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:02pm

It's all clicking in my mind right now, and not for the good.

Please God, let us win on November 4th.

559 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:15pm

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Barry's communist connections:

Mom & Dad, both avowed communists.

Frank Marshall Davis "mentor" & proud communist.

Jeremiah Wright, against "middle-classness"? As he enjoys his Tinley Park mansion.

Odinga: cousin-violent-kenyan-commie

In spite of all these connections, I still firmly believe that Obama is a centrist.

Well, you're a fucking idiot.

560 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:20pm
561 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:34pm

re: #542 wolfie

I'm glad you work in a decent school district. (I'm even gladder that the students there have a teacher like you!) But buzzsaw's original statement stands. Many public school districts, perhaps even a majority, embody leftist assumptions in the curriculum. And as for the universities,...........
Good grief.

Oh, I don't disagree with that! But I do think the short attention spans/memory issue is more a result of media/entertainment than the schools.

My dad had a theory that many men avoided the draft by perusing their Ph.D.s and becoming professors.

562 van helsing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:38pm

re: #534 erisldysnomia

Can someone tell me why Obama would not be considered a communist?

Ummm....

Wait....

Huh. I got nuthin'.
Next?

563 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:39pm

It's also not an accident that communists present themselves as eternal revolutionaries, fighting an endless "struggle." That keeps the kids on board. Since the Socialists are now essentially the "Establishment" when it comes to academia and the media, they risk a revolt by the young TOWARD "anti-Establishment," conservative values, unless they continue to present themselves as hip "outsiders."

re: #463 reno911

It's no accident that Ayers is an educator. Communists have always understood that whomever controls education controls reality. Our children are indoctrinated by communists in public (government run) schools and no one bats an eye. Most people are so far gone that they actually support sending their children off to Government Indoctrination U. It's a government function to educate doncha know?

The 60's radicals are about to realize the objectives, that they spelled out in various manifestos, 40 years ago. Prairie Fire is just one of many.

The Left also controls most of the mass media. Not by accident. By design. For obvious reasons. Control reality.

I am not advocating civil disobedience. I am not an alarmist. I am simply urging you to take whatever steps you deem appropriate to prepare to "Protect and Defend the Constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

564 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:45pm

re: #543 MandyManners

Instead, let's all pool together and buy 30 minutes of air time RIGHT AFTER Otv, then borrow Zombie's copy - and have a fireside story telling time with Sarah Palin.

565 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:49:52pm

re: #402 mama winger

You're at Stout? Lemme at em.

Seriously. Tell me who to write. I send tax money there.


And go after who? the department head who yesterday threatened to put a note in our record if we say something she deems inappropriate? (bleeding heart liberal) The professor who wrote the curriculum, who spent 15 minutes of his last class period discussing how he and Hillary Clinton are from the same neighborhood in Chicago and how she is the best answer for education? Or the burned-out hippie from the East Coast who docked my grade because she said my teaching philosophy (opinion piece) was wrong? Or do you want to contact chancellor Sorensen, who in 2005 voted to get rid of the ROTC program and only reversed his decision after being told the state would withdraw millions of dollars of funding for UW-Stout. Academia is full of bleeding heart liberals. Most cannot cut it in the real world, so they get jobs influencing impressionable young minds were they have little to no competition except from older students like myself. I can't wait to be done.

566 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:00pm

Well since the authors of this screed say (to quote Zombie):

that the public is "free to utilize the material" in the book "for political debate and study."

I think it absolutely behooves anyone who has a copy to scan this book in its entirety and post in on the internet. That way anyone who wants to study it will be free to do so.

A torrent file would do nicely.

567 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:13pm

re: #78 zombie

Because they want to destroy the United States. The drive toward communism is really nothing more than an infantile desire to defeat the authority/daddy-figure. They don't give a good god-damn about Cuba or Russia or anywhere else. They only exist as training grounds for the real end-game, which is toppling the US.

They really deserve a dose of their own radicalism right back in their faces. Unfortunately, by nature, we follow rules and laws, which handcuffs us. There will be a tipping point however - don't know when. For me it will definitely be if they try to impose the Fairness Doctrine. I'm keeping my powder dry......

568 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:20pm

re: #559 MandyManners

He was joking. (I hope)

569 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:29pm

re: #558 TheMatrix31

It's all clicking in my mind right now, and not for the good.

Please God, let us win on November 4th.

As the Bible says:
"If life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

570 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:30pm
571 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:33pm

re: #564 ArmyWife

Instead, let's all pool together and buy 30 minutes of air time RIGHT AFTER Otv, then borrow Zombie's copy - and have a fireside story telling time with Sarah Palin.

I'll chip in

572 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:39pm

re: #555 Scion9

I'm not sure about that, but it is likely. They have definitely hired criminals with backgrounds useful in registering voters however.

I saw it reported on the news - NC I think

573 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:43pm

re: #558 TheMatrix31

It's all clicking in my mind right now, and not for the good.

Please God, let us win on November 4th.

What are YOU doing to further this?

574 legalpad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:56pm

re: #533 TexasAC

If Obama wins the election, and he and his Democrat Socialist Party take full power, a lot of us lizards, bloggers, and commentators will probably get rounded up, lined up against a wall, somewhere, and shot.

Shucks, it will have been worth it to try and stop them.

That "rounding up" part may not be so easy for them, especially in Texas.

575 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:50:59pm

Why when they say "educational reform" do the Gretas and Hannitys never follow up ask them what kind of reform they are trying to achieve?!

576 code red 21  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:04pm

re: #560 taxfreekiller

Remember,
Stalin

Its not the votes that count, its who controls the vote boxes.
(something like that)

Now we have, Ayers, Obama, ACORN

William Ayers/Obama = Stalin

= community organizer.

577 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:13pm

re: #559 MandyManners

Well, you're a fucking idiot.

Well....If I want to ignore reality, let me, don't have to get all angry about it.

578 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:29pm

re: #564 ArmyWife

Instead, let's all pool together and buy 30 minutes of air time RIGHT AFTER Otv, then borrow Zombie's copy - and have a fireside story telling time with Sarah Palin.

HELL yes!

579 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:41pm

re: #569 Dar ul Harbarian

As the Bible says:
"If life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

I guess that makes sense. Like a lemon, I'm bitter and I cling to my gun and religion, despite not having a guy in this hell state of CA.

580 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:53pm

To make Zombie's point about the 'out' for Ayers, douchebag professor was just on Greta defending Ayers, about how he is now 'reformed'.

581 holycrusader  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:58pm

As I read this again. I definitely feel that Obama is a stooge of Ayers. No doubt, Ayers was a ghost writer for Obama's book. Way too many similarities in the writing style. For those that thought Cheney was a "puppet master", You aint seen nothing yet. America is in real trouble. I honestly can't recall ANY campaign that had this much anti-American sentiment in it. I'm not American, but I really, feel for you. I pray that McCain is going to win!

582 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:51:58pm

re: #511 Killian Bundy

you can't defeat Obama through Ayer and you already know that


But Killian, it doesn't hurt, especially with the undecideds. McCain and Palin aren't going to pick this up and we know that. But there are lots of surrogates out there that will lend a helping hand. And it will give people pause.

583 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:01pm

re: #564 ArmyWife

Instead, let's all pool together and buy 30 minutes of air time RIGHT AFTER Otv, then borrow Zombie's copy - and have a fireside story telling time with Sarah Palin.

Now, that would be something.

584 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:16pm

hey guys
posted this earlier but the thread was moving so fast no one noticed it
there is actual voting fraud here in Nashville Tn, not ohio not florida
but nashville the buckle of the bible belt
I was listening to the radio show when this went down
IT COULD HAPPEN IN YOUR TOWN!

585 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:20pm

re: #550 MandyManners

What?

It is on Zombies site

586 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:23pm

re: #511 Killian Bundy

I'll consider myself appropriately schooled.

/this is still so much bull[expletive deleted], you can't defeat Obama through Ayer and you already know that

We will never know which straw breaks the camels back ... just keep piling them on.

587 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:24pm

re: #573 MandyManners

What are YOU doing to further this?

I've emailed and instant messaged it to anyone I know who will give a shit, as well as posted it on my Facebook.

It's about all I can do, right?

588 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #556 DistantThunder

Saddam used buses in the Kurdish north. Rounded up 180,000 people from about 100 villages. Told them to take some things because they were being relocated. Then they were driven usually at nighth to pre-dug mass graves, and executed fathers mothers and pregnant women and children.

And Bush was a War Criminal for going in and taking Saddam out! - Code Pink

589 nigella  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:43pm

Mandy, Living in California pretty much nullifies my vote. I've managed to change a few minds here, and donated money. The best for me now is to offer prayers.

590 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:47pm

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Barry's communist connections:

Mom & Dad, both avowed communists.

Frank Marshall Davis "mentor" & proud communist.

Jeremiah Wright, against "middle-classness"? As he enjoys his Tinley Park mansion.

Odinga: cousin-violent-kenyan-commie

In spite of all these connections, I still firmly believe that Obama is a centrist.

An interesting "analysis":
Please give 3 examples of Obama's policies that would balance his well documented leftist leanings, thus making him more of a "centrist".

591 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:52:52pm

Got to get some sleep, dear Lizards--good night!

592 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:53:03pm
593 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:53:23pm

re: #476 SpartanWoman

Really, if one doesn't cut it they are cut.....literally.

594 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:53:29pm

Lawsuit announced in Hawaii - and Obama immediately announces he will visit his sick grandmother even though she had already been in the hospital for a week.

C'mon.

595 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:53:49pm

re: #340 Killian Bundy

And? Are we trying to put Ayers and his wife where they belong?

/step back and look at where you are and why

How can that be a bad thing? A nice byproduct of trying to help out McCain and prevent a nightmare from descending on this country perhaps but not a bad thing at all even if it is all that Zombie exposes.

596 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:06pm

Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl on the Weather Underground's plan for killing 25 million Americans.
I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

Here's the transcript of the entire No Place To Hide video.
Here's a two minute video.

597 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:14pm

re: #577 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Well....If I want to ignore reality, let me, don't have to get all angry about it.

I'm not angry. I just think you're a fucking idiot.

598 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:24pm

re: #554 wolfie

Don't tell me- tell zombie.

599 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:33pm
600 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:33pm

re: #426 Sharmuta

Has anyone sent this to the McCain campaign?

Would McCain do anything with it?

601 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:35pm

re: #590 Dar ul Harbarian

An interesting "analysis":
Please give 3 examples of Obama's policies that would balance his well documented leftist leanings, thus making him more of a "centrist".

how come his/her football brings up an error
not in the LGF database ?

could someone have hacked LGF ?

602 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:39pm

Zombie, my hat is off to you. Your dedication to your beliefs is evident in your research and writing.
As others have already intimated, your posting(s) tonight will, I believe, be a game-changer.
A simple "Thank you" from me to you.

603 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:45pm
604 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:54:57pm

re: #77 taxfreekiller

Actually TFK, I believe he used prairie fire because it was a quote from Mao Tse-Tung: "A single spark can start a prairie fire."

Prairie fire, of course being a metaphor for communist revolution.

605 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:00pm

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu

A centrist? Really?

Really?

Centrist?

the left-most voting senator currently in office?

Centrist?

Really?

606 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:02pm

re: #515 erisldysnomia

Where is the petition? Maybe someone can write a script to extract email addresses if they are present.

I'm not sure. Here's an article about it:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Someone posted a link directly to the petition, but I didn't bookmark it.

607 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:10pm
608 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #564 ArmyWife

Instead, let's all pool together and buy 30 minutes of air time RIGHT AFTER Otv, then borrow Zombie's copy - and have a fireside story telling time with Sarah Palin.

Oooh, I'd get my blankie and a cup of hot cocoa and sit on the floor in front of the tv for that.

609 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:22pm

re: #445 de La Valette

There is no way Hollywood would have made that part of the tale. I'm amazed CS Lewis even got considered.

Ditto, since his work was seen as more overt in its theology. . .shall we say leanings. . .oh, hell, it ws just more interested in linking divine with acts of humans. . .

610 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:26pm
611 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:27pm

re: #580 Scion9

To make Zombie's point about the 'out' for Ayers, douchebag professor was just on Greta defending Ayers, about how he is now 'reformed'.

Someone who once wrote shit like this can never be trusted again. Period.

Would you have trusted a 'reformed' Adolph Eichmann?

612 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:40pm

re: #590 Dar ul Harbarian

An interesting "analysis":
Please give 3 examples of Obama's policies that would balance his well documented leftist leanings, thus making him more of a "centrist".


Well, I know he voted against a bill in Illinois that would give a home-owner the legal right to use a gun on an intruder, that's pretty centristy, right?


I don't know, don't you just get the "feeling" that he's a centrist?

613 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:47pm

re: #585 Carolyn

It is on Zombies site

I missed that bit.

614 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:55:58pm

I see light bulbs going on in lizard heads.

615 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:02pm

The really sick thing in this election, is that it's literally a choice between a victim of, and a beneficiary of this vile communist ideology.

616 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:07pm

re: #569 Dar ul Harbarian

You mistranslated the Latin. There are 2 interpretations, actually. One school of thought translates it as "If life hands you lemons, stuff them in your bra and say thank you, life!" The other (a bit more respected) school translates it as "If life hands you lemons, throw those lemons right back at it and yell FU life! Then it will be so scared, it won't ever do something like that again"

617 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:24pm

re: #565 logboy

And go after who? the department head who yesterday threatened to put a note in our record if we say something she deems inappropriate? (bleeding heart liberal) The professor who wrote the curriculum, who spent 15 minutes of his last class period discussing how he and Hillary Clinton are from the same neighborhood in Chicago and how she is the best answer for education? Or the burned-out hippie from the East Coast who docked my grade because she said my teaching philosophy (opinion piece) was wrong? Or do you want to contact chancellor Sorensen, who in 2005 voted to get rid of the ROTC program and only reversed his decision after being told the state would withdraw millions of dollars of funding for UW-Stout. Academia is full of bleeding heart liberals. Most cannot cut it in the real world, so they get jobs influencing impressionable young minds were they have little to no competition except from older students like myself. I can't wait to be done.

I saw all that shit in college too. Most of those profs, when you get right down to their frail psychology, are just trying to screw young people, both literally and figuratively.

618 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:25pm

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey

If his sick grandmother survives into an Obama presidency, he may give her the honor of cutting the ribbon on the first Euthanasia Center of his health care program.

And trying it out.

Euthanasia is one way to make sure more of the health care dollars get spread around.

619 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:28pm

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey

You ain't just kiddin buster

I vote Pro Life for a reason. There is 'choice' at both ends you know.

620 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:42pm
621 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:56:46pm

Suggested nic for Ayers: "Sharkey":

"Mordor has come home; everything the hobbits have fought so hard for has been ruined. At first glance, Frodo and the others blame outside forces for the destruction. Evil men, brigands, and thieves have moved in while the protecting Rangers have gone to war. Sharkey, their leader, has urged them to “hack, burn and ruin” since his arrival. The hobbits soon learn that Sharkey is their old enemy Saruman, who has ravaged the Shire in revenge for his own losses."

[[Link: www.cliffsnotes.com...]

622 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #559 MandyManners

Well, you're a fucking idiot.

What Mandy said, moron.

623 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:30pm

re: #590 Dar ul Harbarian

I think he was kidding and just didn't add the sarc tag. Right? I hope?

624 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:31pm

re: #612 Gjergj Skënderbeu

:)

and those babies in closets left to die

I think they were in the center closet

/

625 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:32pm
626 wee fury  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:35pm

re: #536 ClosetConservative

Where can we find a LIST of all the academics that signed the petition? I agree, this has to go into their inboxes.

Here.

627 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:39pm

At great risk of being down-dinged out of the park, I fear that the left, nor the biased worthless media, couldnt give a stuff what gets revealed about nobama, nor his association ayers. It is like Jesus and Pilate before the crowd, the choice was Jesus or the criminal barabas.

"Give us Barabas"

I fear you will get Barabas.

628 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:57:41pm

re: #566 looking closely

I'm guessing that it's already on torrent, though spread deliberately by the type of people who want to spread its ideology.

629 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #606 Tigger2005

I'm not sure. Here's an article about it:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Someone posted a link directly to the petition, but I didn't bookmark it.

Incidentally I found the e-mail for William Keach, Brown University English Professor who was the first Brown University professor to sign he petition, quite easily on the brown University Web site.

630 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:58:16pm

Can someone creative make a spectacular YouTube video using this little book?

631 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:58:16pm

re: #587 TheMatrix31

I've emailed and instant messaged it to anyone I know who will give a shit, as well as posted it on my Facebook.

It's about all I can do, right?

How many signs/stickers do you sport?

Oh, goodness, Matrix, I don't know.

MAKE A STAND IRL!

632 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:58:38pm

re: #624 mama winger

:)

and those babies in closets left to die

I think they were in the center closet

/


I forgot about that one, another centrist vote for O.

633 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:58:47pm

re: #618 DistantThunder

Can be a big costs savings as well.

634 jas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:59:19pm

re: #534 erisldysnomia

Can someone tell me why Obama would not be considered a communist?

Because communists and socialists and the media said he's not...what more proof do you need? And, because you've bothered to even raise the question, I believe that qualifies you as a racist.

/

635 BakaRanger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:59:22pm

Jesus warned, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

636 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:59:23pm

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Barry's communist connections:

Mom & Dad, both avowed communists.

Frank Marshall Davis "mentor" & proud communist.

Jeremiah Wright, against "middle-classness"? As he enjoys his Tinley Park mansion.

Odinga: cousin-violent-kenyan-commie

In spite of all these connections, I still firmly believe that Obama is a centrist.

Pass the Dutchie to the left hand side. . .

637 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:59:30pm

Awesome work Zombie. Can't wait to read the rest of it when it comes out. This is the finest example of journalism I have seen in this entire election cycle.

638 WinstonChurchill  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 7:59:58pm

Oh yeah- we're screwed.

639 Irish Rose  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:02pm

Hell, yeah!
The force is with you, Zombie-wan :).

640 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:03pm
641 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:11pm

re: #600 anotherindyfilmguy

Would McCain do anything with it?

Probably not.

642 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:14pm

re: #612 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Well, I know he voted against a bill in Illinois that would give a home-owner the legal right to use a gun on an intruder, that's pretty centristy, right?


I don't know, don't you just get the "feeling" that he's a centrist?

The same way you find a tingle up the leg. . .you lose all sense of reality. . .

643 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:18pm

re: #611 erisldysnomia

Dahmer said he was sorry...before he was accosted by a shovel.

644 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:20pm

re: #600 anotherindyfilmguy

Would McCain do anything with it?

He might send it to someone who would do something with it

645 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:30pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

John McCain: tortured by communists

Barack Obama: tutored by communists

William Ayers: terrorist communist

What do Barack Obama and John McCain have in common? They both spent their 20's surrounded by communists.

646 Odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:35pm

Attention emasculated Whole Foods shoppers! We have some bad news.

We are out of arugula; and your Acorn loving Marxist Thug from Chicago is going to lose PA and the election.

Now get into your little hybrid cars and drive home.

647 loup-garou  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:00:41pm

well done zombie!

648 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:04pm

re: #646 Odinga

If you remembered to plug them in.

649 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:06pm

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey

If his sick grandmother survives into an Obama presidency, he may give her the honor of cutting the ribbon on the first Euthanasia Center of his health care program.

And trying it out.

Sick. Really sick.

But, true.

650 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:16pm

re: #611 erisldysnomia


Would you have trusted a 'reformed' Adolph Eichmann?

I trust him plenty after he was reformed at the end of a noose. Other than that, no.

651 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:19pm

re: #634 jas

Because communists and socialists and the media said he's not...what more proof do you need? And, because you've bothered to even raise the question, I believe that qualifies you as a racist.

/

I am a racist.

I despise the races of people known as "criminals" and "deviants."

652 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:25pm

re: #595 anotherindyfilmguy

How can that be a bad thing? A nice byproduct of trying to help out McCain and prevent a nightmare from descending on this country perhaps but not a bad thing at all even if it is all that Zombie exposes.

It's all well and good.

/but there's only 13 days left and Ayers and his wife is boring to the electorate, unless you can prove the Obama weenie

653 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:26pm

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey

If his sick grandmother survives into an Obama presidency, he may give her the honor of cutting the ribbon on the first Euthanasia Center of his health care program.

And trying it out.

Of course. He doesn't want American's to be punished with sick grandparents.

654 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:41pm

re: #638 WinstonChurchill

Oh yeah- we're screwed.


Winnie, I never thought I hear you speak those words.

655 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:45pm

re: #613 MandyManners

It is in the comments, someone wrote,

if Ayers is such a bad fellow why was he Man of the Year 1997?
656 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:50pm

re: #485 goddessoftheclassroom

Good find goddess.

657 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:54pm

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu

In spite of all these connections, I still firmly believe that Obama is a centrist.

Cojgntijve Dëssojnanceu.

658 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:01:55pm

I'm just a soul whose intentions are good

Oh Lord

Please don't let me be misunderstood


sarcasm people :)

659 insomniac  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:04pm

What would Bill Ayers' Weather Underground have done after they had overthrown the US government? They envisaged that the Cubans, Chinese, Russians and North Vietnamese would have wanted occupy various parts of the United States.

They would have to protect against the counter- revolution and this was best done by setting up re-education camps. The hard core capitalists who couldn't be re-educated (which they estimated to be about 25 million Americans) would have to be eliminated........killed!

It's all there in the interview with Larry Grathwohl who had infiltrated the Weather Underground.

Ayers' Weathermen planned "re-education", genocide. Watch it here;

660 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:10pm

re: #638 WinstonChurchill

Oh yeah- we're screwed.

What happened to...

Never, never, never give up. ... Never, never, never give up?

661 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:14pm

re: #612 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Well, I know he voted against a bill in Illinois that would give a home-owner the legal right to use a gun on an intruder, that's pretty centristy, right?


I don't know, don't you just get the "feeling" that he's a centrist?

FUCKING ASSHOLE TROLL.

662 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:19pm

re: #582 Irene NYC

But Killian, it doesn't hurt, especially with the undecideds. McCain and Palin aren't going to pick this up and we know that. But there are lots of surrogates out there that will lend a helping hand. And it will give people pause.

I knew I never cared for Ayers (I was overseas while he was doing his thing) - and what Zom has educated us with here is astounding to me. But even if I were a flaming liberal - and loved my country ... my conscience would not leave me alone, after reading this, if I intended to vote for 0.

663 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:19pm

re: #627 A Kiwi Infidel

At great risk of being down-dinged out of the park, I fear that the left, nor the biased worthless media, couldnt give a stuff what gets revealed about nobama, nor his association ayers. It is like Jesus and Pilate before the crowd, the choice was Jesus or the criminal barabas.

"Give us Barabas"

I fear you will get Barabas.

In Jesus clothing. . .a good man with tested skills has been ravaged, and we will all pay, literally and beyond. . .

664 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:27pm

re: #631 MandyManners

How many signs/stickers do you sport?

Oh, goodness, Matrix, I don't know.

MAKE A STAND IRL!

I thought you meant for the purposes of this article, lol.

Overall, we don't own any signage. I suppose we should, though. I don't like dealing with physical damage to my property, especially here in LA. Then again, physical damage to my property is better than physical damage to my country and loved ones.

665 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:28pm

re: #650 Scion9

I trust him plenty after he was reformed at the end of a noose. Other than that, no.

How about a reformed Idi Amin? Benito Mussoline? Saddam Hussein? Leni Riefenstahl?

666 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:34pm

re: #561 goddessoftheclassroom

Can't disagree !

667 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:34pm

re: #367 Killian Bundy

Associations matter. They go to quality of character and judgement.

668 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:02:45pm

re: #612 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Well, I know he voted against a bill in Illinois that would give a home-owner the legal right to use a gun on an intruder, that's pretty centristy, right?


I don't know, don't you just get the "feeling" that he's a centrist?

Mandy was right. No need to repeat it.

669 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:13pm

re: #621 The Archivist

Great !

670 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:13pm

re: #661 MandyManners

see my 658

671 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:29pm

fffffffpppppppppppptttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhh

672 artdog  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:41pm

re: #134 de La Valette

I know someone at my company who may be interested, if you want to e-mail me. I work at a national paper with a conservative editorial page.

673 Sheldon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:41pm

Good Job people ! ! !

re: #'s - 61,109,115,121,131,173,175,227,239

674 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:54pm

re: #659 insomniac

What would Bill Ayers' Weather Underground have done after they had overthrown the US government?

You might as well ask the dog what he is going to do with the car if he ever actually catches one.

675 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:03:55pm

re: #577 Gjergj Skënderbeu

Well....If I want to ignore reality, let me, don't have to get all angry about it.


did you forget your sarc tag?

676 shrike  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:20pm

Here's a Canadian literary magazine with the same name [Link: www.prairiefire.ca...]

677 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:26pm

re: #657 Mich-again

re: #541 Gjergj Skënderbeu


Cojgntijve Dëssojnanceu.

Soj Fiuckinj Funny!

678 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:38pm

re: #675 nyc redneck

did you forget your sarc tag?

yes

yes he did

I was a victim once myself this evening of the missing sarc tag

:)

679 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:42pm

Ack!

680 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:46pm
681 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:48pm

re: #658 mama winger

I'm just a soul whose intentions are good

Oh Lord

Please don't let me be misunderstood

sarcasm people :)

re: #658 mama winger

I'm just a soul whose intentions are good

Oh Lord

Please don't let me be misunderstood

sarcasm people :)

O Lord, deliver me from the man of excellent intention and impure heart: for the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.

682 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:50pm

Great work Zombie, thanks for researching, putting together and publishing such a clear, concise and compelling expose of this truly bad person (and his awful wife). And thanks to Charles for posting it.

683 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:04:58pm

re: #646 Odinga

Whole Foods lost almost 10% in the market today. I think it's down about 70% for the year. Talk about your bitter arugula.

684 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:05:39pm

re: #570 buzzsawmonkey

And it will be NICE. And oh so Constitutional.
Downright clean and articulate!

Gulags and jackboots are soooooooo 20th century!

685 mama winger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:05:45pm

I need oatmeal for my pancreatitis

bb tomorrow

or later tonight if I can't sleep

686 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:05pm

re: #678 mama winger

yes

yes he did

I was a victim once myself this evening of the missing sarc tag

:)

i thought so. that's why i plussed him.

687 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:14pm

LOVE the red cover.

688 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:27pm

re: #59 Sol Roth

Dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KENNEDYS ON THIS?

zombie- this is the point to really highlight. Too much education needs to take place on communism for most people to get this, but Americans do know they love the Kennedys.

689 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:32pm

re: #687 freedombilly

LOVE the red cover.

So Mao!

690 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:35pm

re: #685 mama winger

Take care mama winger

691 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:43pm

Zombie,

Fantastic work.

Now if only you can get Obama's medical history when he was drugged out at Columbia...

692 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:50pm

re: #464 laZardo

GOOD MORNING REPTILIA!

So I'm browsing my art site's political forums and apparently it's not just the Democrats committing voter fraud. The original poster also claims that ACORN was found not to have committed fraud (I've found charges and inditements, but no convictions.)

Discuss?

Like Ayers wasn't a terrorist? You are retarded. The election isn't even over yet. I'm not that brain dead.

693 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:06:50pm

re: #525 ClosetConservative

Through academia or The president of the United States. Chilling.

694 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:02pm

re: #525 ClosetConservative

Wait a second, this all makes SENSE. Ayers is doing EXACTLY what his manifesto avowed. He's trying to destroy the system from the inside. How much farther 'inside' can you get than American academia? He's practicing what he preaches.

It makes sense now. What a great place to duplicate your views.

Previously posted at least twice:

On numerous occasions, Farrakhan has made alliances with avowed foreign enemies of the United States. In January 1996, for instance, he formed a partnership with Libyan dictator Muammar Qadhafi, who pledged $1 billion to help Farrakhan develop a Muslim political lobby in the U.S. According to Libya's official news agency Jana, Qadhafi announced: "We agreed with Louis Farrakhan and his delegation to mobilize in a legal and legitimate form the oppressed minorities -- and at their forefront the blacks, Arab Muslims and Red Indians -- for they play an important role in American political life and have a weight in U.S. elections."

Farrakhan - lives within 0.5 mi or so of Ayers and BHO. Lifetime Achivement award by Rev Wright (BHO's mentor and father-figure) and Barak's/Michelle's church of 20 years. Referred to BHO as Messiah.

695 wee fury  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:09pm

Good job, Zombie. Thank you.

696 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:27pm

re: #489 laZardo

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

PA 2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.

CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.

The news came after eight ACORN workers were convicted of voter fraud in St. Louis earlier this year, for submitting bogus registrations in 2006 and authorities in Las Vegas raided an ACORN office there Tuesday; the names of the starting line up of the Dallas Cowboys football team among those submitted as newly registered voters.

The list goes on and on and on...I need to get to bed though.

697 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:33pm

"The only difference is that now he no longer commits violence to achieve his goals."

allegedly.

698 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:39pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

zombie- this is the point to really highlight. Too much education needs to take place on communism for most people to get this, but Americans do know they love the Kennedys.

Yes, Again, call on the DNC to renounce this piece of trash and his "book" and well-

"Fight for us, and regain your honor"

699 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:40pm

re: #687 freedombilly

LOVE the red cover.

i love red clover.

700 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:07:40pm

re: #66 TheMatrix31

I missed this - good question. Let's see....

701 jas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:08:02pm

i'm going to go on record that I'm thinking Gjergj Skënderbeu is being DEEPLY sarcastic in his/her responses.

702 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:08:21pm

AHHH 7th inning just what i needed God Bless America and Baseball. Burn in Hell Ayers

703 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:08:41pm

re: #683 HelloDare

I used to like Whole Foods. Now I can't stand going in there.
Too many overpriced "whole foods" and dumb asses paying the bill.
I get the exact same things in the neighborhood for less than half what they bill.

704 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:08:53pm

WOW!
Zombie is a true journalist. The msm should be ashamed.

Bookmark this link and read it when you have time:
The rise of the USSA

705 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:08:55pm

re: #615 Scion9

The really sick thing in this election, is that it's literally a choice between a victim of, and a beneficiary of this vile communist ideology.

And there are actually some people who, knowing this, still can't bring themselves to vote for McCain.

*spit

706 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:10pm

re: #659 insomniac

What would Bill Ayers' Weather Underground have done after they had overthrown the US government? They envisaged that the Cubans, Chinese, Russians and North Vietnamese would have wanted occupy various parts of the United States.

They would have to protect against the counter- revolution and this was best done by setting up re-education camps. The hard core capitalists who couldn't be re-educated (which they estimated to be about 25 million Americans) would have to be eliminated........killed!

It's all there in the interview with Larry Grathwohl who had infiltrated the Weather Underground.

Ayers' Weathermen planned "re-education", genocide. Watch it here;

I posted that in the Spinoff Links upstairs awhile ago. Still there. Click it up so others can see it later.

707 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #559 MandyManners

Well, you're a fucking idiot.

I second that!

708 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:19pm

re: #700 ArmyWife

I missed this - good question. Let's see....

I don't care. I'll post my name here if it's allowed.

709 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:25pm

I thought it was so obvious that it didn't need a sarc tag.

re: #678 mama winger

yes

yes he did

I was a victim once myself this evening of the missing sarc tag

:)

710 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:26pm

re: #701 jas

i'm going to go on record that I'm thinking Gjergj Skënderbeu is being DEEPLY sarcastic in his/her responses.

I'm thinking so too.

711 mikalm  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:09:40pm

(late to the thread again...)

Astonishing work. Zombie, you just keep getting better!

712 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:00pm
713 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:01pm

re: #652 Killian Bundy

I don't think it's boring to most people when presented in it's full context. The only people it is not interesting to are the folks in the tank for the O'...

714 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:03pm

re: #702 ACJohn

AHHH 7th inning just what i needed God Bless America and Baseball. Burn in Hell Ayers

Wasn't even a particularly good rendition but still stirs the soul in a way that Ayers and Obama could never and will never understand.

715 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:07pm

Interesting.

Ayers has no ratings on "ratemyprofessor.com" ... One would think such a controversial figure would have generated student feedback there.

716 WinstonChurchill  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:39pm

My fellow lizards, you've girded my loins-

Allow me to take courage from my namesake- We shall fight them at the ballot box. We shall fight them on the airwaves. We shall fight them in the press. We shall never give up!

717 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:55pm

re: #667 FamHistoryGuy

Associations matter. They go to quality of character and judgement.

/gee, pound that through the electorate's skull

718 Mardukhai  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:10:56pm

Zombie --

Please contact me regarding a hatefest next week in SF. I can't travel right now (sinuses).

719 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:00pm

re: #715 erisldysnomia

Interesting.

Ayers has no ratings on "ratemyprofessor.com" ... One would think such a controversial figure would have generated student feedback there.

Never mind. Found him.

[Link: www.ratemyprofessors.com...]

720 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:08pm
"The only difference is that now he no longer commits violence to achieve his goals."

He may no longer drive the bus, but he can still ocassionally hand the keys off.

721 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:15pm

re: #708 TheMatrix31

Don't do that. Do you have an email you can put in the Show for a second?

722 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:17pm

re: #715 erisldysnomia

Interesting.

Ayers has no ratings on "ratemyprofessor.com" ... One would think such a controversial figure would have generated student feedback there.

It was classified for content related to Obama related material. . .sorry. . .

723 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:23pm

re: #704 newsjunkie_ky

WOW!
Zombie is a true journalist. The msm should be ashamed.

Bookmark this link and read it when you have time:
The rise of the USSA

Exactly correct, all the good journalists are on the net not on paper or in the MSM. They can't investigate their ass from their elbow

724 Allah's Helper  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:38pm

Zombie,

Thanks for posting portions of Prairie Fire. Unless I am missing it, is the full text available on your page? I would very much like to read the whole thing.

Thanks.....

725 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:57pm

re: #715 erisldysnomia

Interesting.

Ayers has no ratings on "ratemyprofessor.com" ... One would think such a controversial figure would have generated student feedback there.

Darn, that means he has no hot peppers either! (Even I have 3.)

726 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:11:58pm

re: #705 wolfie

And there are actually some people who, knowing this, still can't bring themselves to vote for McCain.

*spit

Yes, because of that embarrassing Sarah Palin, doncha know.

*hocking one up with ya

727 loup-garou  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:10pm

well billy your under the banner of CHE

her are some less popular quotes from your beloved union busting comrade.

"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing." — Che Guevera

"The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent." — Che Guevara

"Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians." — Che Guevara

The Negro is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized, and intelligent.
-- Che Guevara

i wonder if old billy a was aware how his "banner" felt about minorities.

728 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #658 mama winger

I'm just a soul whose intentions are good

Oh Lord

Please don't let me be misunderstood

sarcasm people :)

No sarcasm at all!

729 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:31pm

re: #569 Dar ul Harbarian

As the Bible says:
"If life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

/Is that verse found in the book of Job?

730 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #712 buzzsawmonkey

Barack was hired to train new ACORN staff. I wouldn't be surprise if he has squirrels in his pants.

731 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:44pm

re: #720 logboy

Hey.

732 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:44pm

re: #725 arethusa

Darn, that means he has no hot peppers either! (Even I have 3.)

As I mentioned above, I found his entry. Only a few student comments.

733 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:44pm

re: #714 freedombilly

Wasn't even a particularly good rendition but still stirs the soul in a way that Ayers and Obama could never and will never understand.

Compared to the Backstreet Boys butchering the National Anthem earlier, it was like Ronan Tynan singing

734 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:12:56pm

Is that the difference then? I hear the anthem and my eyes get a bit leeky. . .my sons serve, my dad served in Viet Nam. . .is that why I am not a real Democrat anymore?

735 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:13:01pm

re: #721 ArmyWife

Don't do that. Do you have an email you can put in the Show for a second?

I have no idea how to do that.

736 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:13:10pm

re: #283 Alouette

I heard he may make a fourth movie based on the chapter. Wishful thinking maybe! :)

737 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:13:27pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

zombie- this is the point to really highlight. Too much education needs to take place on communism for most people to get this, but Americans do know they love the Kennedys.

Agreed completely. Obama's buddy dedicated a book to the guy who murdered Teddy's brother and Teddy endorsed him for President. Wrap your head around that.

Even if Obama wins, this story isn't going away.

738 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:13:37pm

Not sure who said this about BHO and Ayers, paraphrasing:

The question is not how BHO knows Ayers, but why Ayers is so interested in BHO.

739 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:08pm

I would think the dedication page alone should be damning enough.
That should be the focus of this expose.
Who dedicates a book to the very assassin of RFK?
Good God in Heaven...

740 Freedom Fan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:08pm

JohnAdams

What struck me about reading Lenin's quotes was how Obama's plan fits.

Lenin says teach the children about socialism. Obama and Ayers poisoned the minds of kids with socialism for years. Obama now plans to introduce state-supported pre-school.

"Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed."- Lenin
White-folks' greed runs a world in need ... we want to spread the wealth around"- Obama

"A lie told often enough becomes truth"- Lenin
This one reminds me of all Biden's lies which the MSM ignores.

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."- Lenin
Obama will appoint justices hostile to the 2nd amendment right to private firearm ownership.

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."- Lenin
The leftists routinely ridicule devout Christians and Jews. Obama will probably implement the "fairness doctrine" and outlaw "hate-speech".

Lenin says you ruin a capitalist country with high inflation, high taxes and a debauched currency. This is exactly what Obama has in store for us. We're even giving him a head start.

741 bosforus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:12pm

The new word from now until election: communist. And now it can be backed up. Thx a million, Zombie!

742 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #732 erisldysnomia

As I mentioned above, I found his entry. Only a few student comments.

But he still has no hot peppers!/

743 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:45pm

re: #672 artdog

I just tried to email you, but I don't have an email client on this machine, so you will have to email me. I will run it by him. He will want the name of the paper and writer.

744 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:52pm
745 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:14:59pm

re: #735 TheMatrix31

Look under your name when you are posting - it has an email section and a box that you can click - hopefully your email is like matrix@freeemailplace.com and not your name.

will wonders never cease - I am giving technicalish advice.

746 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:07pm

re: #298 Shr_Nfr

There are still two copies available at [Link: www.abe.com...] if you want your very own to hug and caress.


One copy remaining. . .
The Ebay bid is up to $55.
And I checked, but couldn't find a torrent of this book anywhere.

I *did* find an illegal bootleg type torrent to a video copy of the Academy Award nominated 2003 documentary "The Weather Underground", but I won't link to it.

747 thedude  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:22pm

there happened to be a photo posted on the net when the incidence of Michelle Obama's disdain of America speech occurred in which the photo was shown depicting her office with Michelle and a staff member . The image illustrated in detail the decor of her office, in particular the wall behind her desk which displayed the Che flag hanging....after the photo appeared on the net, her office was "re-decorated" sans the flag in subsequent photos...too bad someone can not dig up that photo and post it with this story....

748 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:26pm
749 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:27pm

re: #737 Mich-again

I don't think the electorate cares about ayers being a commie, because they don't see a problem with communism.

They will, however, have a problem with manifestos being dedicated to Kennedy killers.

750 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #741 bosforus

racists! Or is that socialist? Or marxist? I can't keep it straight any more.

751 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #735 TheMatrix31

I have no idea how to do that.

Put your email in the field that says "Email:" and then check 'Show email' next to it.

752 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:07pm

re: #696 Nuclear Ninja

Greenhearted for reference. Thanks for all the help, guys. (:

753 dwigg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:08pm

Ayers from Prairie Fire:
"Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed."
Rev. Wright as quoted by BHO in his book:
"...where white folks greed runs a world in need".
I'm sure this is an innocent enough parallel in the world of the commies!

754 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:18pm

Any one in Poughkeepsie, NY?

755 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #733 TheMatrix31

Compared to the Backstreet Boys butchering the National Anthem earlier, it was like Ronan Tynan singing

I am feeling lucky that I missed it. Got into Bangkok last night at about 2 am local time and had to set an alarm to wake up one minute before first pitch on three hours of sleep. The Backstreet Boys? Really?

756 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:29pm

WTF?

Drudge

CONSTRUCTION BEGINS FOR OBAMA'S BIG ELECTION NIGHT BASH

757 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #712 buzzsawmonkey

USSR = USA
Israel = Palestinians
GOP voted fraud = Dem voting fraud

Ye olde moral equivalence.

758 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:48pm

re: #661 MandyManners

FUCKING ASSHOLE TROLL.

Right On! He goes in the center between Castro and Chavez.

759 straitcircle  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:51pm

Does Obama use the phrase "Prairie Fire?"

760 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:16:52pm

re: #713 anotherindyfilmguy

All well and good.

/Ayers isn't running for President, it's a needless distraction that will never stick, even though it's true

761 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:07pm

Zombie, I am blown away by your tireless work on this and it's obvious you put your heart and soul into comprehensively laying out the pages while drawing attention to the most damaging and pertinent paragraphs. THANK YOU! You sir, are a true patriot and I wish I could shake your hand. You deserve immense amounts of credit for now silencing the argument that Ayers is "mainstream", but rather, a self admitted socialist/marxist/communist who has no doubt backed Obama to carry out his desire to overthrow this country through his influence on him. You are a Truth Seeker and a hero. This American thanks you humbly.

Btw...if you Google Ayers Prairie Fire you will see your discovery is going viral. Congratulations. :)

762 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:15pm

re: #745 ArmyWife

Look under your name when you are posting - it has an email section and a box that you can click - hopefully your email is like matrix@freeemailplace.com and not your name.

will wonders never cease - I am giving technicalish advice.

There.

763 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:17pm

re: #756 erisldysnomia

Good. They build it with their money. We use it so as to not have it go to waste.

764 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:29pm

re: #709 Gjergj Skënderbeu

What region of Europe is that flag icon from? Is it historic?

765 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:35pm
766 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:41pm

re: #714 freedombilly

Wasn't even a particularly good rendition but still stirs the soul in a way that Ayers and Obama could never and will never understand.

It was better than that pathetic Backstreet Boys rendition of our National Anthem to start the game.

/Note to boy bands considering getting back together: Just because you get older doesn't mean anyone wants to hear you. Children grow up. You're NOT the Eagles. By a longshot.

767 dwigg  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:49pm

re: #740 Freedom Fan

Sorry Freedom Fan, you beat me to the connection. I didn't catch your post.

768 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:17:54pm

Make sure you email this to everyone on your list.

Thank you zombie.

769 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:18:13pm

re: #599 taxfreekiller

Stinky and the Stick?

770 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:18:25pm

re: #760 Killian Bundy

All well and good.

/Ayers isn't running for President, it's a needless distraction that will never stick, even though it's true


Unfortunately, I agree.
This alone doesn't further tie Obama to Ayers, and he's issued a flat denial that the press doesn't want to touch.
Zombie is right that this does decimate the ongoing attempt by the partisan left to whitewash Ayers, though.

771 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:18:36pm

re: #737 Mich-again

Agreed completely. Obama's buddy dedicated a book to the guy who murdered Teddy's brother and Teddy endorsed him for President. Wrap your head around that.

Even if Obama wins, this story isn't going away.

In spite of being born and raised in Boston, Teddy never ceases to amaze. Every time I think I've seen it all he pulls something else out of his hat.

And we can't let this story go away.

772 WinstonChurchill  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:19:01pm

"Good. They build it with their money. We use it so as to not have it go to waste."

Think they will overturn it and set it alight if THE ONE loses? A la Paris car-b-cues?

773 faraway  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:19:07pm

I sure hope some lizard with a video camera is hanging around the Hawaii Department of records tomorrow:)

774 x-wing  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:19:50pm

Testing, to turn my nic blue.

775 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:07pm

re: #770 looking closely

Unfortunately, I agree.
This alone doesn't further tie Obama to Ayers, and he's issued a flat denial that the press doesn't want to touch.
Zombie is right that this does decimate the ongoing attempt by the partisan left to whitewash Ayers, though.

Yes, and it is an easy link to anyone who tries doing it on the forums, etc. When you've got two talking heads trying to sway an uninformed person on a forum one link to Zombie's essay will destroy the meme that Ayers was an anti-war activist.

776 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:20pm

re: #739 rawmuse

I would think the dedication page alone should be damning enough.That should be the focus of this expose.
Who dedicates a book to the very assassin of RFK?
Good God in Heaven...

Just want to repeat that!

777 Beach Lover  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:34pm

re: #507 ljmw
that's good to know....but much like this book that Zombie has posted that we are trying to get out there....we are running out of time! McCain has been running this campaign like most if not all previous ones in our county. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that Obama has had the $$ and push from someone that has gotten him where he is so fast. And McCain didn't attack him on any of this cause it's just not in his nature. I believe this man is pure evil and I am fearful for America if he gets elected.
I'm pretty PO'd at McCain right now for not fighting with everything he's got for us. How he is going to go back into the senate (if he loses, God forbid) and work with these people?

778 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:41pm

Send a question to Ted. How about:

Dear Mr. Kennedy,


Do you think Mr. Ayer's dedication of his book (per Zombie link) to Sirhan was a forgivable action?
779 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:56pm

Request sent!

780 yochanan  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:57pm

remember under communism the party comes to you.

781 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:20:59pm

re: #691 erisldysnomia

Zombie,

Fantastic work.

Now if only you can get Obama's medical history when he was drugged out at Columbia...

Obama did release that one page from a doctor telling us he has a pulse. But we don't have a scan of Biden's head so there is no proof he has a brain. Oh wait, never mind.

782 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:21:05pm

re: #760 Killian Bundy

All well and good.

/Ayers isn't running for President, it's a needless distraction that will never stick, even though it's true

Then please tell us all what you're doing to help defeat Barack Obama, Killian! What dirt are you digging up on him? How many e-mails and links are you sending out to acquaintances or friends who might be sitting on the fence?

Because what it looks like is that you keep bad-mouthing Zombie's work, even though he/she found some very thought provoking material to work with.

And your pessimism is a real downer.

783 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:21:06pm

re: #764 Thanos

Hungary. Have you never bought paprika?

784 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:21:11pm

re: #762 TheMatrix31

Ok. You can remove if you wish.

785 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:21:37pm

I still think this should go to MSM- via e mail, so that when people start to ask "why did cnn and msnbeassholes ignore this story. . ." welllllll you know. . .

786 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:04pm

re: #737 Mich-again

Agreed completely. Obama's buddy dedicated a book to the guy who murdered Teddy's brother and Teddy endorsed him for President. Wrap your head around that.


Not at all to be mean about it, but Senator Kennedy isn't quite right in the head of late.

More to the point, he legitimately probably didn't know about this. Obama probably didn't know about the dedication either, actually, though I have a feeling he's going to find out tomorrow morning!

Its an interesting question, though, if knowing about it would have prevented Kennedy's endorsement. I'm not 100% convinced it would have as Obama could have (would have) pleaded ignorance.

787 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:04pm
788 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:06pm

re: #778 erisldysnomia

Send a question to Ted. How about:

Dear Mr. Kennedy,

Dear Maria and Caroline. . .

789 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:21pm

re: #760 Killian Bundy

All well and good.

/Ayers isn't running for President, it's a needless distraction that will never stick, even though it's true

Oh my gosh, I guess I'd better call the waaaambulance for you. Are you always a wet blanket?

790 logboy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:32pm

re: #731 MandyManners

Hey.

Hey what?

791 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:36pm

re: #749 Sharmuta

I don't think the electorate cares about ayers being a commie, because they don't see a problem with communism.

They will, however, have a problem with manifestos being dedicated to Kennedy killers.

AMEN.

792 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:56pm

re: #659 insomniac

What would Bill Ayers' Weather Underground have done after they had overthrown the US government? They envisaged that the Cubans, Chinese, Russians and North Vietnamese would have wanted occupy various parts of the United States.

They would have to protect against the counter- revolution and this was best done by setting up re-education camps. The hard core capitalists who couldn't be re-educated (which they estimated to be about 25 million Americans) would have to be eliminated........killed!

It's all there in the interview with Larry Grathwohl who had infiltrated the Weather Underground.

Ayers' Weathermen planned "re-education", genocide. Watch it here;

All I have to say to that shit is....WOLVERINES!

793 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:22:59pm

re: #778 erisldysnomia

Send a question to Ted. How about:

Dear Mr. Kennedy,

With due respect, Ted's got bigger fish to fry right now.
Let it go.

794 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:23:12pm

re: #672 artdog

I know someone at my company who may be interested, if you want to e-mail me. I work at a national paper with a conservative editorial page.

That would be the Vertical Surface Thoroughfare Diary?
Or the Capitalist's Enterprise Quotidian?

795 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #791 wolfie

AMEN.

Me too!

796 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:23:22pm

Send a question to Ted about Ayer's dedication to Sirhan. Contact info:

[Link: kennedy.senate.gov...]

797 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:23:23pm

Woo Hoo! Guess what I just bought?

Order Information
Item Details:

Author: Weather Underground
Title: PRAIRIE FIRE Political Statement of the Weather Underground
Quantity: 1


And you can be sure I'll find a way to put it to god use.

798 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:01pm

Night all - the lights are being turned out around me!

799 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:15pm

re: #797 Irene NYC

Woo Hoo! Guess what I just bought?


And you can be sure I'll find a way to put it to god use.

And good use! : )

800 TXNavy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:17pm

This is some heavy work, Zombie. Now, we just need more dots to connect Ayers with Obama. Otherwise, and I hate to say it, this will largely go unmentioned.

801 SpartanWoman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:22pm

re: #793 looking closely

With due respect, Ted's got bigger fish to fry right now.
Let it go.

Bobby's sons might think this is interesting

802 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:25pm

re: #793 looking closely

With due respect, Ted's got bigger fish to fry right now.
Let it go.

Mary Jo Kopechne is unavailable to defend me, I guess.

803 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:33pm

re: #783 Colonel Panik

Not Hungary unless it's historic.

[Link: flagspot.net...]

804 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:34pm

Anyone near Poughkeepsie?

805 WinstonChurchill  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:40pm

"And you can be sure I'll find a way to put it to god use."

Freudian slip Irene?

806 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:40pm

You know what would make a great October surprise? Somebody finding an autographed copy of Prairie Fire in a box of old books behind Obama's house.

"Barack, keep sticking it to the pig. -Your pal, Billy."

807 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:47pm

re: #799 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And good use! : )

I think it was right the first time :)

808 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:24:56pm

re: #793 looking closely

With due respect, Ted's got bigger fish to fry right now.
Let it go.

I get it, but if it were me, I would not want to go out like that. . .endorsing the SOB who looked to the guy who dedicated his manifesto to my brother's killer. . .

809 Carolyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:25:20pm

BHO likes communists

810 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:25:43pm

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

South African MP's chair collapses during TV interview.

811 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:25:46pm

re: #802 erisldysnomia

Mary Jo Kopechne is unavailable to defend me, I guess.

Yes, for sure, I urge Teddy to do the right thing this time. . .yeah, like he cares what I think . . .snort!

812 faraway  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:25:51pm

zombie, I would not worry too much about the copyright on this book.

Who is going to sue you before the election?

Copy away.

813 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:25:57pm

re: #740 Freedom Fan

Right on. It's not just Obama that scares me. It's that I'm learning so much more, so late in the game, that the ideas he is going to try to implement have people in many positions of real power who are seeing him as their ticket to domination. Regular American people do not understand this, and they are being duped by a massive...dare I say...conspiracy that has been in the works for decades.

814 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:27:11pm

Exactly!

People on the Right lost confidence along the way over the past few years. And conversely, the Left flaunts their ownership of the culture. For many on that side, anything goes, nothing is off limits. If it further's their agenda, it's fair game.

Folks, it's CRITICAL that we come out of the closet with our beliefs, and the average voter out there is not going to lead the way here! It's men and women like ourselves who need to get this ball rolling. So get out there and make a difference! What we have going for us, and they can never take away, are the issues. Weighed against each other, conservatism, in all its forms, trumps its idealogical opposition time and time again. The innate wisdom of the common folk out there has born this out, but the technological weapons, and nefarious strategies of the Left have grown strong. It's high-time we started fighting back.

For a long time I didn't think it mattered much that the Left's propensity to get their message out mean't all that much, in the long run. But it's now clear that it means a great deal. This shyness people on our side feel, and the reticense to persuade, is towards the very top of the list of the many lesson's learned from this election cycle, and it's critical that a coherent strategy is found to counter the innate challenges we now face, or our walk in the political and cultural wilds may be a long one.

re: #573 MandyManners

What are YOU doing to further this?

815 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:27:19pm

re: #465 allahakchew

Pol Pot came up with all his fancy ideas while at the Sorbonne.

Although the text reads like the crappy philosophy it is, make no mistake that the terrorists who wrote Prairie Fire were deadly serious, are deadly serious now, and will implement their theories when they get into power.

816 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:27:40pm

re: #792 RememberSekhmet?

Fuck, I'd join that group just so I can get my hands on one of these and just go free-flying around the world as a wanderer or something.

817 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:00pm

re: #813 JohnAdams

Right on. It's not just Obama that scares me. It's that I'm learning so much more, so late in the game, that the ideas he is going to try to implement have people in many positions of real power who are seeing him as their ticket to domination. Regular American people do not understand this, and they are being duped by a massive...dare I say...conspiracy that has been in the works for decades.

It is an inside 911. . .use the freedoms of the country you want to destroy to bring about its end. . .your rights will be protected, your victims will be the criminals and you will be the HERO. . .

The bombings will continue until morale improves. . .

818 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:20pm

And no one is saying that this piece is a magical "October Surprise". None of us should be waiting for a silver bullet, because I don't think one is coming. Or at least I'm not trusting that one will come.

We have to do what all we can do to get out the votes for McCain/Palin. Call your local McCain HQ or Republican party. Make phone calls, distribute fliers. Help stuff envelopes. Drive folks to the polls on November 4.

The main thing: pessimism breeds defeat. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you want to lose this election, keep on saying "We're going to lose this election". All you will accomplish is to sow seeds of defeat in people's minds and hearts. That will depress voter turn-out.

819 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:42pm

re: #787 taxfreekiller

we have to keep on the job
we have two for Pres.
One of them is so much a danger
it could be the end of freedom for all man kind

If these evil people get real power,
all of it goes, they hate, its all they have.

The other one is not the best and today Sarah had to say,
the party line of the two party evil money cult to stay in the game.

"path to citizenship"

We the People are alone in this struggle.
No press,
No real political party to support the true America we love.
No real organization to rally around and with.
No one to call, no one to answer the call but ourselves.

Me I'm real tired of the nay say ones who think its all a game.

People this shit is real.

get some rest, battle and win, for one another that all, its about us U.S.

AMEN!

820 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:48pm

re: #799 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And good use! : )

Yes, both!

/Lordie, Lordie, my typing is going downhill fast.

821 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:28:55pm

What does this matter, Obama was a Muslim when Ayers was a communist terrorist traitor.

822 Thanos  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:29:24pm

Time for me to get some sleeps, see you on the morrow everyone.

823 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #815 Palandine

Pol Pot came up with all his fancy ideas while at the Sorbonne.

Although the text reads like the crappy philosophy it is, make no mistake that the terrorists who wrote Prairie Fire were deadly serious, are deadly serious now, and will implement their theories when they get into power.

I think it's fair to say Obama's actions can be predicted by reading Alinsky.

824 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:29:35pm

re: #787 taxfreekiller

People this shit is real.

Like that..

825 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:29:38pm

Wanna know what we're dealing with? I posted the Zombie link on another forum. Said he was deeply entrenched with Ayers.

Here's the response;

---------
Deeply entrenched? Because he served on two non-profit boards with the guy? Boards of non-profit orginizations that did some pretty good work (the CAC donating millions to schools, and the Woods fund raising millions to help people in poverty). That is hardly entrenched. It's not like they were playing golf together every tuesday.
-------

826 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:13pm

re: #814 Captkirk35

Applause ! :)

827 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:18pm

re: #790 logboy

Hey what?

Hello.

828 arethusa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:20pm

re: #818 Intrepid

There's been lots of little things that might well have become "October surprises" if the media weren't so in the tank. This, the book review, Joe the Plumber, etc.

829 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:34pm

re: #796 erisldysnomia

My message to Senator Kennedy.

Dear Senator Kennedy,
I hope this finds you recovering nicely.

I found a book by one William Ayers, written in 1974, "Prairie Fire".

This book has a dedication page which includes a dedication to Sirhan Sirhan.

Mr. Ayers is closely associated with Senator Obama, and yet, you endorsed the Senator Obama, who is pals with a guy who once admired the assassin of your very brother, Robert, enough to author a dedication page to him.

I find this puzzling, in the extreme.

That is all.

Thank you.

830 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:41pm

re: #825 TheMatrix31

Wanna know what we're dealing with? I posted the Zombie link on another forum. Said he was deeply entrenched with Ayers.

Here's the response;

---------
Deeply entrenched? Because he served on two non-profit boards with the guy? Boards of non-profit orginizations that did some pretty good work (the CAC donating millions to schools, and the Woods fund raising millions to help people in poverty). That is hardly entrenched. It's not like they were playing golf together every tuesday.
-------

No, nothing as capitalist as THAT. . .they were indoctrinating students. . .silly goose!

831 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:30:48pm

re: #276 experiencedtraveller

I just went back and read it. Thanks. Saruman gets it in the end.

832 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:31:11pm

re: #825 TheMatrix31

Wanna know what we're dealing with? I posted the Zombie link on another forum. Said he was deeply entrenched with Ayers.

Here's the response;

---------
Deeply entrenched? Because he served on two non-profit boards with the guy? Boards of non-profit orginizations that did some pretty good work (the CAC donating millions to schools, and the Woods fund raising millions to help people in poverty). That is hardly entrenched. It's not like they were playing golf together every tuesday.
-------

Don't try logic on the irrational.

833 VioletTiger  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:31:35pm

re: #818 Intrepid

Well said.

834 do18  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:31:48pm

BHO and his long list of anarchist friends are bent on turning us socialist. If he is elected I believe we will be hit with one of the most traumatic international set of problems the US has seen since WW II. And of course, BHO will want to get Nancy and talk with them.

Facist, Communist and ______________

835 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:31:52pm

re: #793 looking closely

With due respect, Ted's got bigger fish to fry right now.
Let it go.


I disagree. The freedom of America and the western world is at stake. It would be a profoundly moving moment if TK would rise from his sick bed and publicly condemn this dedication. The Kennedy's as a whole, may have had their faults but the US of A, and all that she stands for, ALWAYS came first.

With Ayres and their ilk, their ideology comes first, and if O gets to be POTUS that is what happen, at the expense of the freedom of the Citizens of the US of A, and I mean legal citizens.

836 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:07pm

re: #821 itellu3times

Oooooooooooh. What a great line.
Too bad the GOP can't use it!

837 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:18pm

re: #804 Sharmuta

Anyone near Poughkeepsie?

I have a few... umm ... operatives there. What do you need Sharmuta?

838 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:23pm

re: #825 TheMatrix31

That is hardly entrenched. It's not like they were playing golf together every tuesday.

Golf is a code word for little white balls.

839 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #825 TheMatrix31

Without Obama, how were kids going to learn about Ice People and Sun People?

840 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:29pm

re: #832 erisldysnomia

Don't try logic on the irrational.

I know. I would go back and post documentation and articles about how money was spent to radicalize children, etc, but with logic like that, there is no use on someone like him.

I just responded with a simple "lol, alright."

841 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:52pm

I grabbed one of the Abebooks copies. This book needs to never disappear down the memory hole.

842 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:52pm

re: #839 Scion9

Without Obama, how were kids going to learn about Ice People and Sun People?

Nice Jeffries quote!

843 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:32:57pm

re: #837 experiencedtraveller

Can you meet me in the lizard lounge?

844 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:01pm

re: #829 rawmuse

My message to Senator Kennedy.

Dear Senator Kennedy,
I hope this finds you recovering nicely.

I found a book by one William Ayers, written in 1974, "Prairie Fire".

This book has a dedication page which includes a dedication to Sirhan Sirhan.

Mr. Ayers is closely associated with Senator Obama, and yet, you endorsed the Senator Obama, who is pals with a guy who once admired the assassin of your very brother, Robert, enough to author a dedication page to him.

I find this puzzling, in the extreme.

That is all.

Thank you.

I would add:

"Too bad Mary Jo Kopechne is unavailable due to a medical problem, but at least her medical problem is stable."

However, that's just me.

845 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:02pm

re: #727 loup-garou

"Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians." — Che Guevara

F*** YOU CHE! GLAD YOU'RE DEAD...HOPE THE WORMS FEASTED ON YOUR SORRY ASS CARCASS!

846 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:05pm

re: #538 erisldysnomia

Viking theology "Die with a weapon in your hand and enemies at your feet."

847 sngnsgt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:28pm

re: #748 ploome hineni

or does he want to stop the release of his birth certificate?

BHO birth certificate? That's supposed to be it. ?

/I dunno

848 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:30pm

Good night all! Nice work Zombie. You're doing what the MSM should've
been doing all along. Let's hope it works!

849 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:30pm

This needed to be written. I'm glad you pointed out the truth:

"Not Anti-War - On The Other Side."

He's said some really nutty things in the last few years, I'm sure. And a few quotes from his wife would spice things up nicely.

/Dig it!

850 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:32pm

Billy Ayers considered Sirhan Sirhan to be a political prisoner just like his adopted kid (adopted by Ayers and Dohrn BTW because both his mom and dad went to prison when the kid was 14 months old) says now that his parents are "political prisoners" even though they were convicted of being part of a conspiracy that robbed a Brinks truck and killed 3 people.

Oh by the way, did I mention the kids folks were both part of Weather Underground, and the murders happened near Columbia while both Barry and Billy were students at Columbia?

Oh and by the way, Barry won't talk about his days at Columbia, nor release any records from there. After all, none of that is relevant in this election.

851 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:37pm

re: #790 logboy

Hey what?

You posted that you have PTSD.

852 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:50pm

re: #820 Irene NYC

Yes, both!

/Lordie, Lordie, my typing is going downhill fast.

No problem, mine too. Since carpal-tunnel surgery I can't anywhere near as good as I used to.

853 jas  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:33:51pm

re: #813 JohnAdams

Right on. It's not just Obama that scares me. It's that I'm learning so much more, so late in the game, that the ideas he is going to try to implement have people in many positions of real power who are seeing him as their ticket to domination. Regular American people do not understand this, and they are being duped by a massive...dare I say...conspiracy that has been in the works for decades.

Exactly...the Manchurian candidate is the best description I've seen of Obama. Warmed over '60's leftism in a shiny, multi-cultural package. It is scary that the voting populace is either that oblivious or that complicit to the possibility that a full-blown Marxist could actually win the Presidency.

854 buckykat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:34:03pm

The Sirhan Sirhan dedication could trouble some democrats. Perhaps it would remind them that the Weather Underground were absolute monsters whose turn to "direct action" (domestic terrorism) did not do the anti-war cause any good.

Looking beyond this election, Zombie's excellent work helps promote our case that there is something seriously wrong when murderous terrorists such as Ayers can seamlessly become "respected academics." It's also noteworthy that Bernardine Dohrn was able to become an attorney and a law professor (at Northwestern University) despite the extensive background checks and moral character evaluations required.

855 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:34:20pm

re: #846 FamHistoryGuy

Viking theology "Die with a weapon in your hand and enemies at your feet."

Sparta 300 Love Note

"return with your shield or upon it"

MUAH

856 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:34:38pm

Me too, learn something every day.

857 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:34:55pm

#777 Beachlover

McCain has said over and over again that he doesn't care about a washed up terrorist. His issue is that BHO is not telling the truth about his relationshop with Ayers which led me to believe the Republican campaign had some really good Obama/Ayers relationship evidence. They have a few days to get the word out. I'm not holding my breath.

858 non-lib Nina  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:35:09pm

A bit off topic, I was "browsing" on Hillary's forums and saw this~~~~

Q. Obama agrees with Sen. Clinton on most issues. Why not vote for him?
A. If agreeing with Sen. Clinton is all that is required then there would be 18 million of us running for president.

Q. What about Roe v. Wade?
A. The DNC backhanded the men & women who voted for Sen. Clinton... and now they dangle Roe v. Wade over our head... not working!

Q. Don't TRUE Dems vote Dem ?
A. TRUE Americans don't belong to a racist church for 20 years.

Interesting

859 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #844 erisldysnomia

Blatantly disrespectful communications to political figures get cc'ed to the FBI.
Trust me, they do. Yes.

Always be nice.

860 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #828 arethusa

There's been lots of little things that might well have become "October surprises" if the media weren't so in the tank. This, the book review, Joe the Plumber, etc.

Yes, but we can't do anything about that now, can we? We cannot force the media to do their jobs as they are supposed to. That is outside our control.

But what we do to help in the efforts are things that are inside our control.

We must focus on the latter and not get side-tracked by the former.

861 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:35:22pm

re: #825 TheMatrix31

The CAC, by the way, was donating millions NOT to projects that might have had a prayer of achieving the Challenge's goal of higher test scores, but largely to indoctrination into leftist, multicult ideology.

862 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:36:24pm

re: #826 wolfie

What's a medievalist, if you don't mind me asking?

863 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:36:27pm

re: #846 FamHistoryGuy

Viking theology "Die with a weapon in your hand and enemies at your feet."

not quite right. Its ok to die like that, but its better to live and win.

864 laZardo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:36:27pm

Damn this thread's speeding along. Gonna eat lunch and whoosh off to college, bbl.

865 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:36:36pm

re: #854 buckykat

there is something seriously wrong when murderous terrorists such as Ayers can seamlessly become "respected academics."

No foolin', although the "respect" is more of the circle-jerk type these days,

866 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:36:51pm

re: #838 itellu3times

You're on a roll tonight!

867 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #865 erisldysnomia

No foolin', although the "respect" is more of the circle-jerk type these days,

HORRIBLE MENTAL IMAGE. . .thanks ever so. . . jk :)

868 Palandine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:37:43pm

re: #511 Killian Bundy

You know, Killian, you school Killgore for being an Eeyore, which he is, then you bitch about this. If you don't like it, don't read it, and come up with your plan to get undecideds not to vote for Obama. You're usually on the right side of an issue; why are you being so dismissive of this?

869 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:37:57pm

re: #861 wolfie

The CAC, by the way, was donating millions NOT to projects that might have had a prayer of achieving the Challenge's goal of higher test scores, but largely to indoctrination into leftist, multicult ideology.

More accurately, the man entrusted with directing the CAC's funds had no intention of seeing those goals achieved. The grant money was issued on good faith that it would be spent wisely. It was put into Obama's hands and he misappropriated those funds.

870 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:38:09pm

re: #861 wolfie

The CAC, by the way, was donating millions NOT to projects that might have had a prayer of achieving the Challenge's goal of higher test scores, but largely to indoctrination into leftist, multicult ideology.

Do you have a link fo