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Overnight Open Thread

Open | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:53:50 pm PDT

An open thread for the lizards of the night...

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1 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:54:43pm

Watch this video, it's a scream.

2 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:54:52pm

So, shall we continue talking about zombie's work?

I vote AYE. (Or Arghh if you're a pirate.)
;)

3 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:05pm

The big thing that will define this election probably hasn't happened yet.

4 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:23pm

Marching into darkness, unafraid? No, but unbowed.

5 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:58pm

Nite all ... that last thread wore me out!

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class commercial kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

6 nigella  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:01pm

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?

7 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:20pm

These are times in which all good men and women need to stand up and fight, while we still may.

8 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:35pm

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

9 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:58:37pm

On THAT note *yawning*, I'm outty. The daily caffeine is wearing off and I've exhausted myself sending the Prairie Fire link to every news organization I could think of. I'm sure I'll come up with some more tomorrow. NEVER SAY DIE!

Again...mad props to the Great Zombie. I'm not worthy.

Sweet dreams.

10 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:58:50pm

BTW, speaking of BBQ, here is a plug for a company I like.

11 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:00:42pm

Ayers and Dohrn can roast in hell

12 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:00:52pm

Did Ayers and Dorhn ever reveal where they were hiding-out while they were in ...hiding?

13 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:01:24pm

re: #12 oldbennevis

BHO's dorm room

14 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:23pm

1 down 3 to go! Go Phillies

15 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:44pm

Phillies 3, Rays 2 .......final

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:46pm

Could Ayers be charged with treason on the basis of what he has admitted to?

17 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:24pm

Hello Night Lizards! The area of Illinois known as Near Iowa was cold and partly sunny today. They sunny part was to the West.

I'm amazed at the lack of concern in this country over commie-creep and sharia-creep. I think it's strange that the generation that was so angry at their parents generation is now "that" generation --and they are still angry --at -- themselves? I don't get it.

How are you-all?

18 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:40pm

re: #11 Kragar (proud to be kafir) "Ayers and Dohrn can will roast in hell."
There, fixed that for ya.

19 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:59pm

Well, here's a question. BHO has bought 30 minutes before game 6 of the WS, right? What happens if there is no game 6? Should we be rooting for a sweep?

20 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:16pm

re: #13 ACJohn

LOL! But he was only 8.
His treehouse maybe?

21 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:29pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Could Ayers be charged with treason on the basis of what he has admitted to?

He has already been tried, and not convicted. Plus I think I read that Clinton gave him a pardon before midnight on the last day of his term.

22 odinga[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:59pm
23 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:29pm

re: #8 AmericanMe

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

What I've noticed lately, and find deeply disturbing is that this information doesn't seem to faze some democrats, especially the more rabid followers of Obama. Communist? No problem, we celebrate diversity.

24 Badge of Kaffir Pride[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:37pm
25 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:53pm

Anybody see Body of Lies yet? I did today. I'll leave out commentary (sorry about revealing too much with American Carol many threads back) but lots of action!

Me like. The antiamerican crap I ignored.

26 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:06:13pm

Please stop posting ridiculous garbage rumors at LGF. The only thing you achieve is to discredit the site.

I'm going to delete any such comments.

27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #8 AmericanMe

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

It's sad...Nobama said if not for Fox News he'd be another 3 points ahead.
Of course, if THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DID THEIR JOB, OBAMA WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THE DAMN NOMINATION!

28 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:33pm

re: #7 rawmuse

These are times in which all good men and women need to stand up and fight, while we still may.

Amen. These next twelve days could well make or break this wonderful country of ours. I firmly believe that.

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:52pm

Different, yet Friends..
Namaste, Y'all.

30 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:55pm

Oil powerhouse Venezuela struggles to keep lights on

A socialist-led country in the dark? Hmmm. I wonder if socialist is a codeword for dark.

31 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:08pm

re: #27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It's sad...Nobama said if not for Fox News he'd be another 3 points ahead.
Of course, if THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DID THEIR JOB, OBAMA WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THE DAMN NOMINATION!

Judging by the anger of the PUMA crowd, we should be thankful McC isn't running against Hill. She'd be killing him.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:10pm

You know, the economy isn't as bad as the MSM says.

I got laid off on Oct 10. I'm a software engineer.

I have had so many contacts, and halfway through the second week of my job search, I almost have to fight off headhunters.
I've had two phone screens; have an in-person interview tomorrow AND a phone screen; and have the risk of more than one place trying to schedule interviews at the same time.

I'm busier looking for work than I was working - I don't have much time for LGF!

Who says the economy is bad? Well, if I were a stockbroker or a mortgage banker, I might feel different, but this isn't so bad. I'm in more demand, at 53, than I was when employed and looking to change jobs.

(Now I hope I haven't jinxed it, but there is just too much going on for me to think that I'll be unemployed long)

33 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:27pm

Good morning Lizards from Bangkok. Sure was strange setting an alarm to wake up in time to watch the World Series. My body clock is extremely confused but very happy about the Phillies.

Zombie knocked it out of the park with that last thread (sorry for the bad baseball pun).

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #26 Charles

Please stop posting ridiculous garbage rumors at LGF. The only thing you achieve is to discredit the site.

I'm going to delete any such comments.

Thank you. It helps to keep the focus where it should be: stuff we can actually use.

35 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:56pm

re: #22 odinga


Not sure if this is true.

Very doubtful. Take a look at a picture of Obama, and his mom side by side. There is definitely a familial resemblence.

36 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:09:31pm

Joe The Plumber's property taxes seemed so important to the MSM. But not Obama's unpaid traffic tickets or taxes.
[Link: www.wickedlocal.com...]

37 odinga[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:09:37pm
38 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:10:23pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. It helps to keep the focus where it should be: stuff we can actually use.

And there is so much to use coming from the other side why would anyone possibly either prop up rumors or make stuff up. The truth is plentiful and useful from those idiots.

39 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:10:52pm

re: #7 rawmuse

Yup. No time to go flimsy now. Brass-tax time.

40 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:11:25pm

re: #23 twincitiesgirl

What I've noticed lately, and find deeply disturbing is that this information doesn't seem to faze some democrats, especially the more rabid followers of Obama. Communist? No problem, we celebrate diversity.

Exactly, my sister told me it doesn't matter. No guilt by association as far as she's concerned. Gah! I countered with the judgement issue, but got nowhere. Out of seven of my siblings, she's the only moonbat. I feel bad for calling her that, but it is what it is. :-(

41 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:11:29pm

re: #35 Scion9

Very doubtful. Take a look at a picture of Obama, and his mom side by side. There is definitely a familial resemblence.

I said it was a rumor. So I will stop, sorry.

42 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:12:47pm

This is starting to really piss me off. I've just deleted half a dozen links from the Linkviewer leading to crappy rumors about Obama's citizenship.

If I have to start blocking accounts to stop this garbage from being posted here, I will.

43 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:12:59pm

Obama supporters in Ohio are suspected of more voter fraud.

44 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:01pm

While the MSM is trying to make a big deal out of the money the RNC spent on Palin's wardrobe, I notice no one is asking about Michelle Obama's wardrobe or coiffure.

I did hear that Big Dick Daley is concerned about who is going to pay for Obama's celebration in Grant Park on election night. As the City of Chicago certainly can't afford it. If Obama doesn't win, Daley may have more worries than simple crowd control.

45 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:07pm

re: #17 ggt Hi ggt! I'm not doing as well as I'd like, but I'm otherwise ok.
Did something today that I SWORE I'd never do: engaged a moonbat couple in a "converstation". They were all for Obama (no one mentioned Biden). When I said that although Bush had disappointed me in some areas, I think he should get the credit for there being no further "9/11"'s on American Soil. They started by saying that it just proved that there is no real GWOT - that 9/11 was a "one-off". The conversation - I fully confess aided and abetted by me - went downhill very VERY rapidly from there.
I cooled off a little and ticked off all the reasons to not vote for Obama and to Vote for McCain. He said that he didn't know most of what I'd said about Obama, she said I was making it up. I responded by sneering at her and addressing him: "Don't you think you should learn about the candidate you intend to vote for BEFORE you vote for him?" and his and her reply were that they did know about Obama - my response was that they manifestly did not as he had said he didn't know these things and "so what" everyone can make a mistake in choosing a candidate and I replied - before storming off - FUCK YOU - YOU are making a voting decision that's going to FUCK UP MY LIFE and the lives of tens of millions of Americans you stupid POS.
I didn't win any friends, but I'm thinking that the male of the couple is thinking about what I said and may not vote for Obama.
And I'm just embarrassed as hell cause I lost my temper like that.

46 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:36pm

I am Anastassia's grandson. And I declare Putin to be exiled.

47 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:09pm

Here is something that discuses some of the problems of the polling industry presented by someone on the inside.

It is a short easy read.

Public Opinion Research - An Honorable Profession, Warts and All
by Harry W. O'Neill

48 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:14pm

re: #42 Charles

This is starting to really piss me off. I've just deleted half a dozen links from the Linkviewer leading to crappy rumors about Obama's citizenship.

If I have to start blocking accounts to stop this garbage from being posted here, I will.

I will stop. I didn't know it was completely bogus. Sorry.

49 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:27pm
50 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:15:22pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

I realize I live near Chicago, but I can tell you that there is no shortage of trucks and construction vehicles on the Highways and surface streets.

Somebody is buying and selling a lot of somethings.

51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:15:24pm

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

52 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:16:23pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

Good luck with your interviews/search.

I was wondering, too: How can the economy be so bad?

Last week, I went on a business trip and noticed the airlines were full, lots of people were staying at a nice resort, cruise ships were coming & going, and a Starbucks in ATL airport had people lined up two dozen deep.

If the economy were as bad as the *MSM says, why aren't people huddling around small fires/cooking a can of beans instead of traveling?

*F the MSM

53 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:55pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir) Huh, I thought someone called you Maurice!

54 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:57pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

Is it true that some people call you "Maurice"?

55 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:59pm

re: #45 realwest

It is soooooooo hard to try to have a conversation with Obamabots.
Especially when you realize they are totally ignorant about him.
It's almost impossible NOT to lose your temper.

Most of the time I don't speak up at all because I'm afraid it will only cause a fight. But then I feel ashamed for not having at least tried.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

56 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:05pm

And I've just deleted at least a dozen links about Jerome Corsi too.

Jerome Corsi hangs out with WHITE SUPREMACISTS, people. And he's a 9/11 Truther. If you post links to his ravings, they're going to be deleted, and you might lose your account.

I've really had enough of this, and I've made my feelings clear over and over.

57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:18pm

re: #53 realwest

Huh, I thought someone called you Maurice!

Well, I do speak to the pompetus of love

58 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:20pm

re: #50 ggt

I realize I live near Chicago, but I can tell you that there is no shortage of trucks and construction vehicles on the Highways and surface streets.

Somebody is buying and selling a lot of somethings.

There's always lots of buying and selling here in and around Chicago. Some of the commerce involves the buying and selling of votes and politicians.

59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:47pm

If any of you southwest MO lizards wanted to go to Sarah Palin's rally in Springfield, MO, on Friday, it's been moved from the MSU arena to the Bass Pro Shops parking lot.

Seems the 10,000 seat arena was too SMALL!

When Biden was here a couple of weeks ago, he held his rally in a city park. Maybe 500 showed up, including some hecklers.

60 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:20:33pm

re: #57 Kragar (proud to be kafir) ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

61 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:20:42pm

re: #45 realwest

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

62 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:06pm

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

63 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:07pm

Is Obama a stooge of Ayers or is Obama fully on board with the Ayers agenda?

I think the Joe the Plumber slip is telling.

Obama has been described as an empty suit. When he answered Joe's question he sounded more like ventriloquist dummy.

I'm not certain BHO knows what he believes but I definitely think Ayers has his hand up Obama's jacket. Where is Ayers? Hiding in plain sight, yet more visible now than when he was blowing up buildings. Getting kudos from 3000 academics. Why? Why do they care about this guy and his connection to Obama, if there isn't one or the connection is insignificant. Chilling.

If Obama doesn't throw Ayers under the bus after this then I think that speaks volumes. If this doesn't derail BHO it will follow him into his presidency. He has to know that which would explain why he hasn't thrown Ayers under the Greyhound before now.

64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:08pm

re: #54 suboptimal

Is it true that some people call you "Maurice"?

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

65 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:42pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

Well, if you dont know by now, I'm not going to ruin the suprise

66 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:46pm

re: #52 jetprop

Good luck with your interviews/search.

I was wondering, too: How can the economy be so bad?

Last week, I went on a business trip and noticed the airlines were full, lots of people were staying at a nice resort, cruise ships were coming & going, and a Starbucks in ATL airport had people lined up two dozen deep.

If the economy were as bad as the *MSM says, why aren't people huddling around small fires/cooking a can of beans instead of traveling?

*F the MSM

Thanks.

The MSM is really trying to push 0bama-socialism. Nothing can be good under the Bush administration.

67 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:17pm

re: #33 freedombilly

Good morning Lizards from Bangkok. Sure was strange setting an alarm to wake up in time to watch the World Series. My body clock is extremely confused but very happy about the Phillies.

Zombie knocked it out of the park with that last thread (sorry for the bad baseball pun).

Hey, I watched 8 years of the Super Bowl at 5 am on Monday mornings....

(hot dogs and beer do not go over well at that time)

68 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:27pm

re: #55 wolfie This is true. However I've now decided that I might as well be damned if I do.
Seriously, I've had WAAAY TOO MUCH BULLSHIT from Obamatrons and especially the MSM (see Charles' earlier thread about how "fair" their coverage of McCain has been).

69 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:32pm

re: #62 ACJohn

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

And may God give a certain part Irishman named Barack Obama the back of his hand.

70 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:38pm

re: #52 jetprop

It's mostly the financial sector, and the housing market, with lots of overlap between the two. The high tech industry, MY industry, is stonger than ever. The recession of earlier this decade was far, far worse at this point.

71 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:44pm

re: #64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

As long as you sure don't want to hurt no one.

72 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #48 odinga

I will stop. I didn't know it was completely bogus. Sorry.

Do you have more than one account here?

73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:50pm

re: #62 ACJohn

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

/Could have sworn I read that in a fortune cookie.

74 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:13pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

IMO, Steve Miller put out some decent music, but just had to be the worst lyricist ever in R&R.

75 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:13pm

erroring == erring.

re: #61 Captkirk35

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

76 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:30pm

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

Miss Teen Louisiana: Idiot

Miss Teen South Carolina - 2007 Idiot?

That might just be an insult to idiots.

77 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:32pm

re: #45 realwest

Sounds like the male of the couple needs to grow some. Maybe you helped.

I am very worried about our country. It seems there are a lot of people who don't know the history that I thought was basic. --Like communism is bad--.

Sorry you aren't feeling as well as you'd like.

78 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:56pm

Something else I was thinking of.

The MSM makes a stink that Joe the Plumber doesn't make 250K so he'd "benefit" from 0's tax "cut".
The point is, Joe looks forward to getting MORE than 250K, and wants the government to stay out of his way, and let him keep more of it.

Only people who expect to stay poor want the government to "spread the wealth around".

79 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:24:13pm

than == then.. oy'

re: #61 Captkirk35

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

80 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:00pm

Today's bit of eye-rolling print media trash is courtesy of my local fish wrap, the Orlando Sentinel (or, as it is called by those of us who have been living here for a while, the Orlando Slantinel, for their obvious-to-everybody-but-themselves bias to the left). This was on the editorial page of today's edition:

Under the title of "Overwhelming force" and a "we think" comment of:
"Powell's endorsement should end talk about Obama's readiness for president", comes this:

If former Secretary of State Colin Powell is not worried about Democrat Barack Obama answering a 3 a.m. crisis call in the White House, you shouldn't be either.

Skip to paragraph three, and you get this:

Mr. Powell said he had been following both candidates for almost two years, and had come to be impressed by Mr. Obama's "steadiness" and "depth of knowledge."

And now the wrap-up:

In seeking Mr. Powell's counsel, and naming Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joe Biden as his running mate, Mr. Obama showed he is intent on filling in whatever gaps he might have on international issues. That combination of humility and pragmatism would be a welcome change in the White House.


Hey, Sentinel editorial board members, let me piss in your corn flakes: Powell is endorsing little O for two reasons. One, Powell is a RINO. Two, he is a part of the "I'm black and so is he" crowd. That's it. Not that you shitbirds care...

81 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:19pm

re: #64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

but not a midnight toker? what gives?

82 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:20pm

re: #67 Intrepid

Hey, I watched 8 years of the Super Bowl at 5 am on Monday mornings....

(hot dogs and beer do not go over well at that time)

The Super Bowl and 5 am just ain't right. Maybe bloody mary's and hot dogs would have been better.

Actually, that sounds pretty disgusting.

83 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:21pm

re: #21 rawmuse

He has already been tried, and not convicted. Plus I think I read that Clinton gave him a pardon before midnight on the last day of his term.

No, he wasn't tried. The case was dismissed on a technicality (illegal wiretap I believe).

84 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:41pm

re: #62 ACJohn

May those that love us, love us.
And those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if He doesn't turn their hearts,
May He turn their ankles
So we will know them by their limping.
~Irish Blessing

85 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:42pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

Do a wiki search, rw. We discussed that here a few weeks back. He "borrowed" it. : )

86 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:17pm

In light of the non-issue of Obama's citizenship, I do want to bring up something that has been bothering me.

That he is called a Christian. He's no Christian.

Being in the position he is, with so many lemmings looking at him as divine, Farrakhan calling him "the Messiah", etc., well, I'd think more of the man if he repudiated these statements. But has Barack Obama ever said: "I'm no messiah, just a man who believes he has a plan to steer this country in the right direction"?

No, he hasn't. He talks about "this being the moment when the tides recede" and that "together we will heal the earth" and other such nonsense. And he does so in reverential tones, which are appropriate for Liberals when they worship THEIR Messiah, or for Muslims praying to Allah. Those tones are A-OK for everyone except Christians. When we praise our Lord and his word, we're backwards. Old hat. Superstitious.

Not to mention that he was called to Christianity in the pews presided over by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, in a "church" that preaches, in the words of new pastor Rev. Otis Moss, "thug theology"; a church built on racism and racial superiority, phony righteous indignation, division and victimhood. Jesus would have torn such a church apart with his bare hands.

The junior Senator from Illinois is exactly the kind of false prophet Jesus warned of in the New Testament.

I'm not saying he's the anti-christ. I'm saying that the way he conducts himself is quite un-Christian.

Barack Obama's an American. But he's no Christian. He's the farthest thing from it.

-WFH

87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:25pm

re: #81 Opilio

but not a midnight toker? what gives?

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

88 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:59pm

re: #45 realwest

While maybe you are guilty of losing your temper, your real error was introducing zealots to facts! How dare you rw?

89 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #61 Captkirk35 Thanks, but I don't know what forms of engagement are better than others (I'm talking strictly non-violent here!) and I really blasted them MORE because it was pent up inside ME than because they are stupid, ignorant people (although that didn't hurt, either).
The real problem with Obamabots - White ones, at least - is that they cannot articulate any VALID reasons for Obama's being elected because there are NONE (other than it would be "nice" if American had a Black President which at least I understand as a "reason").

90 Maximu§  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:21pm

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

91 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:35pm

re: #68 realwest

I'm beginning to think the same thing. Better to give it a try.

On the job I HAVE to keep my mouth shut. (No tenure.) But I don't have to do that elsewhere., and I think you and Capt. Kirk (post above) are right that we need to speak up much more.

92 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

Do you misremember?

93 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:28:28pm

re: #6 nigella

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?


my take again
if you poll the 510 area code
you will get overwhelming support for 0bama

poll the 530 area code, 100 miles away
you will get overwhelming support for McCain

94 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:28:36pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

I though they called you "Maurice".

95 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:29:21pm

re: #52 jetprop

The MSM is focusing on the people who were barely making it before the recent melt-down. Which, I think isn't as large a percentage of the population as they make it seem. There are people truly suffering. There was one report that the local homeless shelter/food pantry is at capacity right now. Something they haven't seen in a while.

Gas is way down --but food commodites are up. It will be a tough winter for more American's that it was last winter. Our church is taking extra collections for the food pantry.

I don't know where to get accurate historical figures on such things. I don't know when the shelters were last at capacity. I don't think we are near or are in danger of being at 1929 figures tho.

96 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:29:41pm

ODINGA: I asked you a question in comment #72.

97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:12pm

Just got this email from [Link: www.johnmccain.com-...]

While we are extremely honored and appreciative of Missouri State University being willing to host Governor Palin's Road to Victory Rally on Friday in the McDonald Arena, due to the overwhelming demand of the people in Springfield and the surrounding area, we have needed to move the Road to Victory Rally to a larger venue.

The Road to Victory Rally with Governor Palin will now be held in the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shops. This is located at 1935 S Campbell Ave in Springfield, MO.

Doors will open at 9AM on Friday October 24th

All tickets for the Missouri State University event will be honored at the new location. There will be a reserved section for all current ticket holders.

If you currently do not have a ticket, you will be welcome to enter through the general admission area.

To answer a few frequently asked questions: Be sure to leave any signs at home even your McCain-Palin signs.
No outside food or beverages.
No umbrellas, bags, backpacks or weapons (HUH? I added that) of any type.
Cameras are allowed
Please remember this is an outdoor event and please dress appropriately.
Thank you for your support! See you at the Rally!

98 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:20pm

MSG to CMD Group:

1. Am starting defensive measures now. have 1k sandbags and will ring my position with same.
2. Will fight off attacks for as long as ammo will allow.
3. Will resist going to the political re-education camps to the very end.

Where, oh where is the conservative base of this country? The world wonders.

99 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:31pm

re: #82 freedombilly

The Super Bowl and 5 am just ain't right. Maybe bloody mary's and hot dogs would have been better.

Actually, that sounds pretty disgusting.

Heh. I just went with coffee and toast.

100 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:55pm

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

"On da advice of my lawyer, I am refusing to answer dat question on da grounds dat it will incriminate me."

101 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #55 wolfie

I just say that he is a Marxist and McCain wasn't my choice either, but I'm going to put a cloths-pin on my nose and vote for him. They usually don't have anything to reply.

One person said that they didn't believe Obama was a Marxist. I just said "He is".

End of conversation.

102 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #86 wong fei hung

You might be correct about this, but I would caution against using this line of reasoning to persuade anyone. You won't get much mileage out of it, and there are so many other tacks you can use. It's a target-rich environment, for sure. Besides, he's running for president, not Pope.

103 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:21pm

re: #83 Tigger2005

No, he wasn't tried. The case was dismissed on a technicality (illegal wiretap I believe).

Thank you. Same result, tho'. Unfortunate.

104 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:22pm

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

Miss Teen Louisiana: Idiot

I smoked dope with Miss Teen U.S.A. 19__..............no, I won't blow her cover.

105 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:38pm

Looks like someone's right on the cusp of becoming de-Lizardized. ;)

106 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:58pm

re: #86 wong fei hung

That he is called a Christian. He's no Christian.


/So you're saying he's a Muslim then?

107 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:03pm

re: #90 Maximu§

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

It's about frigging time in a "closing the barn door after all the horses have run off" kind of way.

Someday in the far off future, we will have a Republican Party with leaders who understand that the opposition wants to bury us, not get along with us. (I can dream can't I?)

108 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:09pm

re: #105 Cartman

It is getting a little hot in here.

109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:21pm

re: #92 freedombilly

Do you misremember?

PLEAD DA FIF!

110 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:39pm

I was referring to your temper, and losing it. Whenever we do that, and I do it all the time, we lose some credibility.

re: #89 realwest

Thanks, but I don't know what forms of engagement are better than others (I'm talking strictly non-violent here!) and I really blasted them MORE because it was pent up inside ME than because they are stupid, ignorant people (although that didn't hurt, either).
The real problem with Obamabots - White ones, at least - is that they cannot articulate any VALID reasons for Obama's being elected because there are NONE (other than it would be "nice" if American had a Black President which at least I understand as a "reason").

111 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:30pm

re: #105 Cartman

Looks like someone's right on the cusp of becoming de-Lizardized. ;)

agreed
but what happened to the poster in a earlier thread
who's football came up with an error
not in the LGF database ?

112 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:34:21pm

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

113 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:34:44pm

Follow up msg to cmd grp:

1. Fellow McC/P troops are circulating here in the People Democratic Republic of Northern Virginia.....our undergound may work after all.
2. Will advise.

CB

114 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:14pm

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

115 Eagle  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:22pm

Is buzzsawmonkey around? I am reading the comments at Zombies blog, about the Obama book review. You sir, are a one man army!

(That is you, right?)

116 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:34pm

re: #102 Captkirk35

Not trying to persuade anyone. Jus' sayin'.

-WFH

117 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:51pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

I saw that earlier. I believe it's related the "ë" in that lizard's nic. I've seen this before.

118 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:25pm

re: #102 Captkirk35

I agree, although if you were talking to someone who cares about the religious factor, WFH's points would be excellent to bring up. If.

119 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:46pm

re: #117 justadot

I saw that earlier. I believe it's related the "ë" in that lizard's nic. I've seen this before.

Which comment?

120 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:57pm

re: #112 victor_yugo


The guy's an urepetentent, communist/anarchist terrorist. But all Obama will do is repeat his stock answer to the inquiry, and the MSM will nod their heads and move on to Palin and her wardrobe. It's a lost cause (getting our message out, that is, not the election). Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.

121 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:21pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Watch this video, it's a scream.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are clearly inciting furniture to commit acts of racism and violence.

122 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:35pm

re: #112 victor_yugo

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

I hope you're right. We keep getting told that your average "Joe and Jane America" don't really care about Ayers. Many of us do, but it may not be enough, at least with respect to this particular issue.

123 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:42pm

re: #114 Charles

Pretty tasteless.

124 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #106 looking closely

/So you're saying he's a Muslim then?

NO he is not saying that.
He's saying he is not a Christian in any ordinary, traditional sense of the term.

125 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:23pm

re: #90 Maximu§

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

Don't you mean some nuts?

126 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:24pm

re: #114 Charles

Charles, I see your point. Oh my!

127 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:29pm

re: #97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Just got this email from [Link: www.johnmccain.com-...]

While we are extremely honored and appreciative of Missouri State University being willing to host Governor Palin's Road to Victory Rally on Friday in the McDonald Arena, due to the overwhelming demand of the people in Springfield and the surrounding area, we have needed to move the Road to Victory Rally to a larger venue.

The Road to Victory Rally with Governor Palin will now be held in the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shops. This is located at 1935 S Campbell Ave in Springfield, MO.

Doors will open at 9AM on Friday October 24th

This on the level?

I don't know the area, but the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shop is bigger than something with the haughty title of McDonald Arena?

And how does one open the "doors" of a parking lot?

128 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:35pm

re: #74 Cartman Hey Amigo! Y'all surely can't mean that he sorta made up lyrics just so they'd rhyme do ya?!? LOL!
I give him Kudos for making such a handsome living for so long in the R&B and Rock fields though.
True story (or so says a friend of mine who witnessed it) the Steve Miller Band played a concert with the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield one night and the Byrds opened, followed by Miller who blew the Byrds off the stage - and then - grinning, started bragging (on an open mike) about those west coast types who can't play very well. Said Steve Stills, Richie Furay and Neil Young all gave Miller dirty looks and then played something like a two hour non-stop RAVE that put Miller into his proper persepective! LOL!

129 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:36pm

re: #119 Charles

Which comment?

I'd consult an attorney before answering!

/////

130 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:25pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.


"Short of knifing someone?"
If that were to happen, you bet the media would spin it.
"He had it coming"
"It was self defense"
"Its the Chicago way".

131 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:31pm

re: #112 victor_yugo

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

Every day a little more drips out.Seems like a trickle,but I am hoping soon the MSM damn will bust.Then Obama will just be a bad dream.
Ever day the poles tighten,McCain will win.
BTW,good evening lizards.

132 Dream  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:52pm

To the LDS lizards out there in California...you're being targeted...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Just throwing that out there...

133 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:56pm

1. How do we call the media out on the carpet? Whether we win or lose, the duplicitous MSM is still there.
2. They will NOT acknowledge that they are in the tank for O/B.

There is so much that is broken, not sure how to fix. Where do we start? We have an unknown fraction of this country that thinks a handout is what they need.....as opposed to hand up. How big that fraction is will tell us how truly off the path to the city upon a hill we are.

134 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:58pm

I fixed the problem with the profiles -- apparently the old, deprecated Javascript 'escape' function still works better than 'encodeURIComponent' for some things.

135 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:17pm

re: #119 Charles

I'm trying to find it, Charles. I don't remember the thread right now.

136 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:00pm

re: #78 Kosh's Shadow
"Only people who expect to stay poor because they aren't willing to work hard enough to move up, want the government to "spread the wealth around"."
Sorry, just hadda add that!

137 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:08pm

re: #114 Charles

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Classy.

138 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:37pm

re: #116 wong fei hung

I hear ya. But you gotta be kind of careful w/ that line of reasoning in today's environment. We've got to start being smart about how we attack, and our tactics. The Left is always looking to sniff out what they perceive as unfair attacks on Obama's character. His religious purity, or lack of, starts edging awfully close to that line, even here on a blog.

139 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:01pm

re: #128 realwest

Good story, R-Dubs! As an aside, I always liked Richie's band Poco a whole lot.

140 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:05pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.

You sure that would do it? I think they'd rush the body away, find a look-alike, pay everyone off, and say Obama was just playing a joke on a friend using a fake collapsing knife and ketchup for blood.

141 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:06pm

re: #124 wolfie

I think there was sarcasm implied in that statement, Wolfie. thanks for your defense though.

And for the record, no I don't think he's a stealth Muslim.

But he damn sure ain't a Christian. What Wright and Pfleger preach isn't Christianity. It's hate.

-WFH

142 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:07pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

agreed
but what happened to the poster in a earlier thread
who's football came up with an error
not in the LGF database ?

That was a "feature" I meant to point out to Charles. That user is still in the DB, but you can't see it by clicking its avatar. It has to do with a funky character in its user name.

143 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:16pm

And now for your listening and viewing enjoyment; the complete animated video for Daft Punk's Interstella 5555

144 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:31pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

You know, the economy isn't as bad as the MSM says.

I got laid off on Oct 10. I'm a software engineer.

I have had so many contacts, and halfway through the second week of my job search, I almost have to fight off headhunters.
I've had two phone screens; have an in-person interview tomorrow AND a phone screen; and have the risk of more than one place trying to schedule interviews at the same time.

I'm busier looking for work than I was working - I don't have much time for LGF!

Who says the economy is bad? Well, if I were a stockbroker or a mortgage banker, I might feel different, but this isn't so bad. I'm in more demand, at 53, than I was when employed and looking to change jobs.

(Now I hope I haven't jinxed it, but there is just too much going on for me to think that I'll be unemployed long)

I drove through the local mall the other day for the first time in years. It was absolutely crammed with traffic, as bad as it used to be during Christmas in years past, except this was a Saturday in October. Roommate and I looked at one another: "What financial crisis?" For that matter, half the people we saw were "people of color" going into stores in packs. Families, mostly, and not poor families either, judging by the nice clothes, fancy SUVs, and large numbers of bags they were carrying out to their cars. And this is not a ritzy part of town either.

If you want to organize a community, build a mall in it. People will "organize" themselves right into shoppin', lickety split.

145 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:33pm

re: #133 Castlebravo

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

146 non-lib Nina  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:34pm

re: #136 realwest

"Only people who expect to stay poor because they aren't willing to work hard enough to move up, want the government to "spread the wealth around"."
Sorry, just hadda add that!


I like to call them LAZY!

147 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:52pm

re: #119 Charles

If you are looking for a sock-puppet, would looking for matching IP address' help narrow it down?

Odds are he has been at just one location while posting under the other.

148 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:08pm

re: #110 Captkirk35

I was referring to your temper, and losing it. Whenever we do that, and I do it all the time, we lose some credibility.

Oh, bullhockey. It's one thing to lose your temper. It's quite another to start shooting (at a campaign bus) or clubbing (little old ladies).

Who is perpetrating the violence here?

Which candidate is giving his silent complicity to these crimes committed by his supporters?

Demand an answer to these questions. If they "take exception" to it, demand to know why they aren't calling for indictments for actual acts of physical violence, without which they have no right to demand you stop pointing out a real Inconvenient Truth.

149 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:21pm

re: #3 DistantThunder

The big thing that will define this election probably hasn't happened yet.

Maybe it has. The market meltdown, bank meltdown, mortgage meltdown combo is a pretty big deal. We haven't seen its like since 1929. The world political response has so far been far more intelligent, but a mighty big house of cards is falling, and its fall is doing some damage to the real economy.

When all this happens in September and October, how can it not affect the presidential election?

150 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:30pm

Charles it was in the Zombie thread I believe

he had a weird letter in his name/nic

151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:38pm

re: #131 Oldasdirt

Every day a little more drips out.Seems like a trickle,but I am hoping soon the MSM damn will bust.Then Obama will just be a bad dream.
Ever day the poles tighten,McCain will win.
BTW,good evening lizards.

Oldasdirt- But it's all starting to trickle out at the right time! If the election was next Tuesday, it wouldn't matter much.
But we've still got 13 days to go. Remember, the Bush DUI story came out (Via those evil Bush-supporting conservatives at Fox News) a few days before the 2000 election.

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:40pm

re: #113 Castlebravo

Follow up msg to cmd grp:

1. Fellow McC/P troops are circulating here in the People Democratic Republic of Northern Virginia.....our undergound may work after all.
2. Will advise.

CB

Roger. Give 'em hell down there!

153 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:40pm

re: #130 looking closely

LOL.. yup

154 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #142 Opilio

That was a "feature" I meant to point out to Charles. That user is still in the DB, but you can't see it by clicking its avatar. It has to do with a funky character in its user name.

It's fixed. The same problem was happening with 'Maximu§' up above, and if you reload the page it will now be fine.

155 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:19pm

helllooo lizards. Go Phillies.

156 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:54pm

re: #133 Castlebravo

1. How do we call the media out on the carpet? Whether we win or lose, the duplicitous MSM is still there.
2. They will NOT acknowledge that they are in the tank for O/B.

There is so much that is broken, not sure how to fix. Where do we start? We have an unknown fraction of this country that thinks a handout is what they need.....as opposed to hand up. How big that fraction is will tell us how truly off the path to the city upon a hill we are.

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union. Might be easier to fix things state by state than try to fix the whole country at once ... have to break down the job into manageable portions.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:05pm

re: #141 wong fei hung

I think there was sarcasm implied in that statement, Wolfie. thanks for your defense though.

And for the record, no I don't think he's a stealth Muslim.

But he damn sure ain't a Christian. What Wright and Pfleger preach isn't Christianity. It's hate.

-WFH

Concur.

158 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:08pm

re: #85 Ozark Mountain Daredevil ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that one! Geez, in Wiki no less! LOL!

159 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:16pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union.


That didn't work out so well last time.

160 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:05pm

re: #134 Charles

Ha. You fixed it faster than I could I find the comment.

161 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:24pm

re: #155 empills

helllooo lizards. Go Phillies.

no, no, no
go BOTH TEAMS !


I wanna see 0bama interrupt the series with his informercial
it has to go to a 6th game for that

162 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:35pm

re: #151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Oldasdirt- But it's all starting to trickle out at the right time! If the election was next Tuesday, it wouldn't matter much.
But we've still got 13 days to go. Remember, the Bush DUI story came out (Via those evil Bush-supporting conservatives at Fox News) a few days before the 2000 election.

Right,,And how you doin Ozark Mountain Daredevil?
I'm feeling very good about this election now,I'm also Biden keeps talking!LOL

163 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:01pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Wait, I live in Illinois and it won't succeed --you-all are going to leave me?

Say it isn't so.

164 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #147 Syrah

I guess I misunderstood what was going on. Never mind.

165 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #154 Charles

Have had some issues on the iPhone version of Safari when I hit "jump to bottom" in the comments and instead it goes back to the front page. Intermittent.

166 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:29pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

The guy's an urepetentent, communist/anarchist terrorist. But all Obama will do is repeat his stock answer to the inquiry, and the MSM will nod their heads and move on to Palin and her wardrobe. It's a lost cause (getting our message out, that is, not the election).

Has anyone sent this to Rush? Hannity? O'Reilly? Levin? Horowitz? Ingraham? Bruce?

Getting our message out is not a lost cause.

167 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:51pm

re: #145 ggt

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

Unfortunately, a policy of avoiding graduates from left-leaning universities is both unfair, and probably illegal. The policy is unfair because graduates from those schools in the hard disciplines already ran a gauntlet. Just by majoring in a real subject, they've defied their would-be indoctrinators. There is normally still a University plugging away inside these "Universities", if you know where to look.

It's probably illegal because your policy would have a disproportionate impact yadda yadda. You're on thin ground just trying to hire people who know a little something. That is a matter of business survival though, and if you can't do that without running afoul of the law, then you just have to do a John Galt and fold shop.

168 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:03pm

re: #163 ggt

You will still have the internet.

169 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:04pm

So remember that guy who responded to Zombie's link on the message board I visit saying "It's not like him and Ayers were playing golf every Tuesday."?

After I posted the National Review link detailing how they spent money..... he responds with this;

---------

I'm sorry, but that article makes a lot of assumptions, and we all know what happens when you assume. First, he assumes that all Afrocentric teachings are anti-american. I would very strongly disagree with that statement. Secondly, he assumes Carruthers’s techings at this group were centered on the anti-american theme. A lot of times, when people are teaching things at a conference, they will leave the more extremist things out (such as let's kill America) out. You save that sort of stuff for people who have bought into your other, more generally accepted teachings, before you bring out the big guns. So when they say he was a "hit" we don't know what he necessarily went over. We know what that man believed, but we don't know how much SSAVC bought in. And we're also assuming that Obama was all for the money going to these sites, even though it says that there was disention in the board - we're just assuming that Obama had the final say? There are just too many leaps in that article for me to take it seriously. His use of quotes mid sentence followed by assumptions are a very useful way of writing persuasively that he employs well. That style is meant to mislead without lying.

And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural.

I think that some of Obama's relationships are more that questionable, but those with Wright, Ayers, and now Carruthers, is a bit out of hand. The one with the one dude where there looks like there was bribery/favors? Absolutely. But this? Come on.

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What's the point.

170 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:05pm

re: #166 victor_yugo

I sent it to Rush.

171 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:11pm

re: #148 victor_yugo

I hear ya. I feel ya.

And we need to point these all the rest of their shit out. I've started posting moonbat tidbits on my Facebook 'What are you doing now' statement. The vast majority of our acquantances fall into Wittle's 'Sheep' metaphor. They don't have a clue, and we have to start getting the word out to the lay person what we're dealing with here.

172 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:15pm
173 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:22pm

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:10pm

re: #158 realwest

ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that one! Geez, in Wiki no less! LOL!

No problem! Like I said, for some reason one of the overnight open threads a couple of weeks ago was re-directed to music. I had always heard that Steve Miller made it up the word.

175 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:33pm

re: #110 Captkirk35
Respectfully Cap'n - a) no matter how much credibility I may lose because of my passion/temper it will never, EVER equal the total lack of credibility they start out with and
b) I'm only human, ya know?

176 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:37pm

Secession is a fascination idea, though a bit extreme. Probably the best shot at secession is having the South plus the border states (KY, TN, etc.) as well as TX leave the US -- of course, this is a wild idea.

Interestingly, secession is an idea championed by the left, too. I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede.

177 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:53pm

re: #145 ggt
I've already cancelled TIME, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated. I have told them, stop SOCIALIzing everything. Stop bashing everything American.

I get no response....except SI, who asked me if I was sure I wanted to cancel my subscription.

The bigger problem is the MSM is still out there: Courics, CNN, MSNBC, etc....and of course, if they lose (and God I pray they do), they will claim that the country is racist (which it's not), and completely ignore that fact that O/B lost because of their radical leftism. They will not recognize that. Pelosi won't, Reid won't, Hollywood will claim racism......WHY do they get to re-define words, history? language?

THere is a biggger cancer afflicting this country. You notice that the keepers of the public trust (Congress) had the 3 CEOs of the 3 Credit Bureaus on the hill today grilling them over credit scores given to MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities).....why the hell didn't somebody point out the fact that DEMOCRATS strong armed banks into giving loans to people that had no business getting loans? WHen are we going to see somebody of consequence (G. Bush?) put this rightfully where it belongs? I turn purple everytime I hear Barney Frank open his fat mouth. I want to call raines, and Gorelick, et al, and say, GIVE THE MONEY BACK!

We need somebody of consequence and balls to stand up and call the spade what it is............................

178 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:57pm

re: #173 Charles

Charles, knowing the Left and how they operate, can there be any doubt some of that crap is a conscious attempt to make LGF, and "the Right" look like zealots. I think not.

179 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:11pm

I'm not sure Obama is anything but a ambitious Ego driven individual. He'll align himself with whatever group that will facilitate his rise to power. He was born into the communist group and found lots of friends of that ilk to help him. When they are no longer helpful --under the bus they will go.

It will be interesting, if he gets the Oval Office, how long that lasts. The Secret Service and FBI will have something to say about with whom he associates.

He reminds me a lot of LBJ in the Ego respect.

180 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:12pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union. Might be easier to fix things state by state than try to fix the whole country at once ... have to break down the job into manageable portions.

A partition? Are you Joe Biden?

/kidding

181 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:43pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Read about the state of Jefferson sometime.
It would include the environs of Kilgore Trout, I think.

182 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:56pm

re: #156 Tigger2005
I will GLADLY put on a gray USMC uniform.

183 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:02pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

There a few Lizards who survived Ivy school, you know!

Rare reptiles, though.

184 a marine mom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:12pm

Here's a random thought tonight.

It's been said over and over again that McCain is not running his campaign properly. I believe he is and that the MSM won't report it.

When reading all of the positive reports on Obama and looking at the reports on McCain and how overwhelming negative they are, how else are people going to see the two campaigns?

.

185 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:19pm

re: #114 Charles Holy shit, Charles - I sure hope you delete all of his comments or at least THAT ONE.
Talk about over the top.

186 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:37pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

Ah, there has to be a way to do it. --anyway, I was thinking more of journalism students.

187 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:42pm

re: #175 realwest

No disrespect taken. Like I said, I'd rather lose my temper and make my point than slink away and let them own the joint.

188 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:49pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

A partition? Are you Joe Biden?

/kidding

We already have them. They're called "state lines".

189 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:55pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union.

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

190 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:16pm

re: #181 rawmuse

Read about the state of Jefferson sometime.
It would include the environs of Kilgore Trout, I think.

Isn't that northern CA?

191 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:27pm

re: #168 empills

hopefully.

192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:50pm

re: #162 Oldasdirt

Right,,And how you doin Ozark Mountain Daredevil?
I'm feeling very good about this election now,I'm also Biden keeps talking!LOL

I have my tickets to see Sarah friday morning. It's one of the nice things about being unemployed. I mean self-employed. (/Thought I was an Obama supporter for a second!)

Joe Biden- he's like the "jam of the month club"- The gift that keeps on giving!

How have you been?

193 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:03pm

re: #138 Captkirk35

I could give a damn what the left thinks. The left craps on Christianity every chance it gets anyhow. IMHO, Barack Obama does not comport himself like a Christian. He's never repudiated one statement referring to him as a "messiah", or one painting or photo with a halo around his head, or any of that nonsense. Nor do I believe anyone associated with Trinity Church or St. Sabina's, who listens to and embraces the garbage these "pastors" spew, is terribly Christian. The Pflegers and Wrights of this world are the people that John Lewis should liken to George Wallace. Not John McCain. Those "pastors" are racial separatists. Their real God is $$$. And they are vile.

-WFH

194 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:04pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

The 0Bamatons are the ultimate apologists. In their world, everything he's ever done can be easily rationalized and explained away. The unvarnished truth is an afterthought, for them.

195 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:08pm

re: #187 Captkirk35

You're a poet and you didn't even know it!

(Well, maybe you did.)

196 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:32pm

re: #189 Opilio

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

Not sure of the remaining legalities, but it was the half the reason the civial war started.

197 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:42pm

re: #114 Charles

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wishing death on a political candidate... what a fanatic. Thank you Charles, some people simply should not be allowed to join polite and civilized conversations. Well done...

198 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

"And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural."

I think that is the most racist statement I've heard in a long time.

199 Penguinchic  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #184 a marine mom

I agree. I even got fed up with Fox News because the news they were reporting were stating poll numbers that were basically a statistical tie and then moaning about how far behind McCain was and how can his campaign make up the difference so he can win the election. How is that reporting the news when they are trying to make a news story of poll numbers? And this is the news channel that at least usually does report fair and balanced news, but seems to have slipped for a few days.

200 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Secession is a fascination idea, though a bit extreme. Probably the best shot at secession is having the South plus the border states (KY, TN, etc.) as well as TX leave the US -- of course, this is a wild idea.

Interestingly, secession is an idea championed by the left, too. I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede.

How 'bout we trade California and New York to Canada for BC, Alberta, Sask., and a province to be named later.

201 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:46pm

Doh. civial=civil

202 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:14pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

moonbats in VT .

One of my favorite old tunes.

Pennies in a stream,
Falling leaves, a sycamore..
Moonbats in Vermont.

203 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:16pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Isn't that northern CA?

I just looked it up -- you're right! Northern CA and southern Oregon including beautiful Coos country. Hmmmm.

Perhaps if people increasingly self-sort into red and blue states, the country could inch toward division.

204 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:56pm

re: #139 Cartman Yeah, but Ritchie was always too "soft" for me; I also think Still's band Mannassas was one of the most under-rated bands around. They played everyhing from real hard rock, to Country and Western, to Latio, to cajun style to you name it and they did it all pretty well, too!

205 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:20pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

I've been getting SI for going on 35 years now. I too am about to give up. A once-fine magazine should now be dubbed PCSI - Politically Correct Sports Illustrated.

206 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:24pm

re: #172 ploome hineni

The party has moved sooooooo far to the left, enough to elect leaders who are lefties. The rest just have to go along, I guess.

207 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:33pm

re: #6 nigella

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?

This may have already been answered, but here's what Zombie makes of all these crazy polls.

208 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:44pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Cascadia.

Silliness can be fun.

209 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:50pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

That would be us, with our vote. I think there is going to be some changes in Congress this time around.

210 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:00pm

re: #196 spirochete

Not sure of the remaining legalities, but it was the half the reason the civial war started.

Article 4, section 3 speaks of states being admitted to the union.

211 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:31pm

re: #192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm ok, Thanks .Moving to my new house,which sux.I am retired now and down sizing my living quarters.Smaller house.

212 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:36pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

I actually took the time to write to a national magazine (I won't say which one) a writer at the mag actually, calling him on bias and not only did he email me back but the editor in chief did too, to try denying my points.

These "people" seriously think they are right, righteous and right-on.
Savage is still right, it is a mental disorder.

And the next issue had the same writer with his same b.s.

this time, I won't bother calling him/them on it

I think their college professors REALLY brainwashed them

213 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:39pm

Funny thing tonight:

I've gotten a couple hits on my website from people who, judging by their Google queries, have pretty low opinions of Margaret Atwood.

214 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:32pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Isn't that northern CA?

yes, near the Oregon border
outside Yreka

215 surfinbrant  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:35pm

re: #207 gmsc

The polls simply cannot be viewed with any credibility.

216 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:02pm

All the talk about riots if Obama loses has prompted the following:
The media should shoulder the blame for incitement. All of their glowing reports and articles for Obama and the negative hit pieces on McCain and Palin, coupled with the majority of polls showing Obama with moderate to huge leads will have convinced many that an Obama defeat could only come about through fraud. As tight as the race is a McCain victory is likely to be by the slimmest of margins, which will lead to more claims of a stolen election.

217 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:16pm

re: #107 Syrah

It's about frigging time in a "closing the barn door after all the horses have run off" kind of way.

Someday in the far off future, we will have a Republican Party with leaders who understand that the opposition wants to bury us, not get along with us. (I can dream can't I?)

I think Boehner has finally reached the end of his rope. Add the "investigation" of Dodd (which I dont think the MSM reported) and we may be on to something here.

218 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:23pm

re: #198 ggt

"And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural."

I think that is the most racist statement I've heard in a long time.

And the commenter does NOT SEE the racist content of his comments!

/No irony here... move along now...

219 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:30pm

re: #189 Opilio

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

here's a good article that explains both sides of the argument:
Does the Constitution Permit the Blue States to Secede?

one quote: "The U.S. Constitution does not expressly recognize or deny a right of secession. "

220 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:30pm

re: #189 Opilio

Um, I think that the Consititution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

221 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #205 Cartman

I've been getting SI for going on 35 years now. I too am about to give up. A once-fine magazine should now be dubbed PCSI - Politically Correct Sports Illustrated.

That would be MPCSI - Mostly Politically Correct Sports Illustrated - they still publish the swimsuit issue, don't they? Sometimes the women are even wearing swimsuits.

222 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

So remember that guy who responded to Zombie's link on the message board I visit saying "It's not like him and Ayers were playing golf every Tuesday."?

After I posted the National Review link detailing how they spent money..... he responds with this;
---------
And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural.
-------

What's the point.


Perhaps he is going to be DRAWN to it, but what on earth made him sit there for 20 years, have the guy marry him and baptize his kids, etc? Oprah-ma, supposedly attended Wright's church for a short time, then got the hell out of there.

You can lead a horse to water. . .

223 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:25pm

re: #216 solomonpanting

All the talk about riots if Obama loses has prompted the following:
The media should shoulder the blame for incitement. All of their glowing reports and articles for Obama and the negative hit pieces on McCain and Palin, coupled with the majority of polls showing Obama with moderate to huge leads will have convinced many that an Obama defeat could only come about through fraud. As tight as the race is a McCain victory is likely to be by the slimmest of margins, which will lead to more claims of a stolen election.


yes but recall 2000
Gore tried litigating the election
and folks from the right took time off work
to counter-protest
virtually unheard of

this time, the vitriol is much worse
both sides will really be wound up

it's up to the media to STFU and not incite it like they did in 1991

224 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:25pm

re: #208 Syrah

Cascadia.

Silliness can be fun.

Hmm. linky no worky.

Here is the main website. It has a link on the front page to the Cascadia page.

(Hopefully the link-gods will be more permissive with this link.)

225 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:29pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Article 4, section 3 speaks of states being admitted to the union.

And the terms are laid out in the rest of the Constitution.

When those terms are no longer agreeable, a state should be able to secede. However, what prevents this is that the resulting conditions after secession would be even worse. Could you imagine South Dakota as an independent nation, trying to set up international relations, commerce, border control, and all that? In any realistic scenario, it would be a nightmare.

226 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:42pm

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

227 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #215 surfinbrant

The polls are credible and reflect the biased reporting from the major media houses. If you disregard all the misdeeds of one party and magnify tiny mis-steps by another day after day, then the publics opinion will be influenced.
This is what the polls are reflecting, believe them.

228 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:09pm

re: #220 ggt

Um, I think that the Consititution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are NOT within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

pimf correction in bold.

229 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:37pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

This is just sheer idiocy. If there is a better way to ruin the stock market and piss off every working voter in the country with one stroke, its hard to imagine it.

230 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:06pm

Zzzzzzzzzz......getting late here. Work tomorrow.
Goodnight all!

231 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:07pm

re: #176 hermeneutics
Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

232 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:23pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

it's up to the media to STFU and not incite it like they did in 1991

? ? 1991 ? ?

233 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:38pm

re: #227 shanec99

The polls are credible and reflect the biased reporting from the major media houses. If you disregard all the misdeeds of one party and magnify tiny mis-steps by another day after day, then the publics opinion will be influenced.
This is what the polls are reflecting, believe them.

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

234 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:47pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

Elimination of a "tax brake" = Imposition of a Tax Increase.

The NewSpeak must not go unchallenged.

235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:54pm

re: #211 Oldasdirt

I'm ok, Thanks .Moving to my new house,which sux.I am retired now and down sizing my living quarters.Smaller house.

Crap, sorry to hear that. I just bought a house, a custom built log home, that's been on the market here for 16 months, for $50K less than the original selling price, and I got them to include the 20 acres of land they wanted $50K more for in addition to the 5 acres included in the price. So I got the 20 acres for free.

236 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:57pm

re: #219 JeremiahRight

Looking at a state like Michigan,they could not afford to break away from the union,after 50 years of demon-crats tearing down that state.They need money from Conservative run states to keep going.

237 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:02pm

re: #232 Opilio

? ? 1991 ? ?

Rodney King riots
guessing at the year though, to be honest

238 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:05pm

re: #225 victor_yugo

And the terms are laid out in the rest of the Constitution.

When those terms are no longer agreeable, a state should be able to secede. However, what prevents this is that the resulting conditions after secession would be even worse. Could you imagine South Dakota as an independent nation, trying to set up international relations, commerce, border control, and all that? In any realistic scenario, it would be a nightmare.

I'm reading wikipedia on seceding now. Interesting read, here's the URL: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The money quote: Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 5–3 decision that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

It doesn't appear that any significant cases have since altered the SC's decision.

239 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:08pm

re: #222 looking closely

Or, as Dorothy Parker said:

You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think.

goodnight for real...................

240 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:51pm

re: #236 Oldasdirt

Looking at a state like Michigan,they could not afford to break away from the union,after 50 years of demon-crats tearing down that state.They need money from Conservative run states to keep going.

yes, and speak of the devil

California is one of those states about to ask for a bailout

241 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:07:20pm

re: #205 Cartman
....If I may be so bold, what do you mean "about to give it up?" 6 months into my subscription I was thinking the only thing this mag is good for is the bottom of my parakeet cage......

242 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:01pm

re: #134 Charles

I fixed the problem with the profiles -- apparently the old, deprecated Javascript 'escape' function still works better than 'encodeURIComponent' for some things.

Charles,

Please keep in mind that innocent lizards like me check the same account from two different locations (work and home), so please try not to sweep folks like me up with the stinky sock puppets, OK?

243 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:17pm

What would happen if a large block of independent business people simply refused to send their quarterly taxes in?

Not the FICA, payroll, sales tax etc, but the actually taxes on earnings? or just sent what they thought they should owe.

How would the IRS/Gov't deal with hundreds of thousands of non-compliant citizens?

Anyone working for someone else wouldn't be able to protest in such a manner.

244 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:41pm

re: #212 Adrenalyn
did you counter, or did you just ignore, under the rule of "when arguing with fools....."?

245 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:59pm

re: #231 realwest

Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

246 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:26pm

re: #233 Adrenalyn

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

They were right in 2000... that the election would be close.

They were also right in 2004... and Pres Bush overcame a lead and trounced John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry.

247 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:26pm

re: #238 hermeneutics
Then we secede under duress.

248 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:28pm

re: #220 ggt

Um, I think that the Constitution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are [not] within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

(fixed per later comment)

Look at the Tenth Amendment. Whatever is not explicitly reserved to the Federal government, or denied to the States, is allowed for the States or the People. It's the bow on top of the box of governments' powers and citizens' liberty.

Without that amendment, most of the Founding Fathers were opposed to the Bill of Rights in general, fearing it would become the "grantor of rights" rather than a rein upon government.

249 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:46pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ok, don't fall into that trap. It wasn't free --you are paying for it. You got a good price --but the seller didn't give you anything.

Feel good about the incredible deal you got.

250 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:50pm

re: #115 Eagle

re: #231 realwest

Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

Ski hills? Proximity to Quebec? Rest stops for us Canadians driving to New Brunswick without paying Cdn. gas prices?

251 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:14pm

re: #233 Adrenalyn

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

At this time in the 2000 race, CNN had Gore up 11 points over Bush.

Oh, and in 1980, Jimmy Carter was 8 points ahead of Ronald Reagan with 2 weeks to go.

252 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:04pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

It would have to be a threesome, though: there's nothing joining MA, VT, NH, MI, MN, RI, DE to the west coast.

253 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #241 Castlebravo

....If I may be so bold, what do you mean "about to give it up?" 6 months into my subscription I was thinking the only thing this mag is good for is the bottom of my parakeet cage......


and the rest of my sentence got blocked out because of the bold, underlin, italics, quotes, whatever.....

I reminded myself to go get a parakeet....JUST to poop on the magazine I wanted to cancel my subscriptions to.

254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:32pm

re: #239 wolfie

Or, as Dorothy Parker said:

You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think.

goodnight for real...................

That 's a good way to end the night, leaving 'em laughing. On that note, I'm going to check out as well. Till, tomorrow...

255 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:35pm

re: #241 Castlebravo

What percentage of the "so-called" wealthy live and do business in Califorinia? In the Marxist Utopia--they would be paying for the illegal immigrants.

256 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #249 ggt

Ok, don't fall into that trap. It wasn't free --you are paying for it. You got a good price --but the seller didn't give you anything.

Feel good about the incredible deal you got.

Ok...Like when the hotel you're staying offers free breakfasts each morning and free cocktails and appetizers at 5pm. You're still paying for those also.

257 Mardukhai  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #238 hermeneutics

In fact, the founding fathers never intended to allow secession. Take a look at the Articles of Confederation. It's "permanent."

258 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:32pm

re: #244 Castlebravo

did you counter, or did you just ignore, under the rule of "when arguing with fools....."?

actually, I did it on a lark
wrote a letter to the editor
and using skills acquired here and in life
I refuted a few citations and hit "send"

to my surprise they came back with a very comprehensive rebuttal

as if no one ever called them on something
and/or no one ever used facts, links, proof

they were shocked I tell ya !

just to be safe, I strengthened perimeter defenses at the compound
in case they want to pay me a visit

259 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:33pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Dang good deal buddy,Happy for ya.
I'm going into a smaller house cause it's cheaper,and with the wife gone,and all kids grown and on there own,just didn't need a big ol house to paint and keep up with.I'm at the age where I got a little hitch in my get-along.

260 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:42pm

re: #255 ggt

I don't know what percentage, GGT....look up the rest of my intended passage in 253.

261 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:13pm

re: #246 shanec99

They were right in 2000... that the election would be close.

They were also right in 2004... and Pres Bush overcame a lead and trounced John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry.

disagree
they called it before and DURING the election itself
and called it wrong

262 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:30pm

re: #258 Adrenalyn
Using a single strand of barbed wire works....then they claim GITMO redux

263 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:33pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer.

For better or worse, climate and economics are causing my (and your) formerly red state (Arizona) to get increasingly purple-ish red. Me no like.

264 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #256 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

yep --I call it communist-creep.

Like when the car dealer (used to) throw in the floor mats. yeah . . .

265 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:14:39pm

re: #251 gmsc

At this time in the 2000 race, CNN had Gore up 11 points over Bush.

Oh, and in 1980, Jimmy Carter was 8 points ahead of Ronald Reagan with 2 weeks to go.

I bow, sweep with a flourish a big thank you with this
laurel
and hearty welcome

266 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:01pm

re: #238 hermeneutics

The Court held in a 5–3 decision that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

And when a state no longer recognizes the authority of any United States Federal power, having run out all federal employees on all levels, how will they enforce it? By turning Army guns on the people and forcing them to return to US citizenship or die? Smart move, that. It would only give rise to an inherent contradiction, on par with people who whine about how oppressive the government is while retaining their liberty to do so.

267 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:03pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

There's a group caller-id -ing themselves Pubserv 2008 making "survey" calls out of the 703 area code.

One of the questions is, "Did you know Obama is a Muslim?"

Apparently, according to a lefty site, these calls have been traced to a group called Americans in Contact PAC.

268 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:14pm

A bit OT, but still interesting ...
[Link: www.zogby.com...]
July 23, 2008
Middlebury Institute/Zogby Poll
UTICA, New York -One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.
The level of support for the right of secession was consistent in every region in the country, though the percentage was slightly higher in the South (26%) and the East (24%). The figures were also consistent for every age group, but backing was strongest among younger adults, as 40% among those age 18 to 24 and 24% among those age 25 to 34 agreed states and regions have secession rights.

Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably secede.
Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept. Among the very liberal the support was only slightly less enthusiastic - 28% said they favored such a right. Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.

Asked whether they would support a secessionist movement in their own state, 18% said they would, with those in the South most likely to say they would back such an effort. In the South, 24% said they would support such an effort, while 15% in the West and Midwest said the same. Here, too, younger adults were more likely than older adults to be supportive - 35% of those under age 30 would support secession in their state, compared to just 17% of those over age 65. Among African Americans, 33% said they would support secession, compared to just 15% of white adults. The more education a respondent had, the less likely they were to support secession - as 38% of those with less than a high school diploma would support it, compared to just 10% of those with a college degree.

To gauge the extent to which support for secession comes from a sense that the nation's current system is not working, a separate question was asked about agreement that "the United States' system is broken and cannot be fixed by traditional two-party politics and elections." Nearly half of respondents agreed with this statement, with 27% who somewhat agree and 18% who strongly agree.

The telephone poll, conducted by Zogby International, included 1,209 American adult respondents. It was conducted July 9-13, 2008, and carries a margin of error of +/- 2.9 per cent.

269 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:11pm

re: #253 Castlebravo

I reminded myself to go get a parakeet....JUST to poop on the magazine I wanted to cancel my subscriptions to.

A real life "Just Poop" bird!

270 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:15pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff:

TV Station Political Analyst Dismisses Then Takes Seriously Questions About Obama Birth Certificate

271 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:26pm

re: #260 Castlebravo

I wish I had time to do all the research I'd like to do. Life has a way of interefereing --LOL

272 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:50pm

re: #262 Castlebravo

Using a single strand of barbed wire works....then they claim GITMO redux

please, please, please
don't get me started

I pride myself on cleverness
and would not want to give away my secrets

diabolical.....mu ha ha ha


but when I go camping I setup a simple fishing line "plus"
perimeter alarm/repellant
I go deep in the woods......

273 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:23pm

re: #261 Adrenalyn

Check Zogby... he was right.

In 2000 the race was close and Pres bush succeded based on the Electorial college, not popular vote... please remember... it was too close to call right up to the end.

In 2004 when Pres Bush won, the polls said he would, but they blamed it on the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.

274 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:41pm

re: #251 gmsc

The 2000 poll with Gore up by 11 was dated Oct 2-4, a good three weeks before today.

275 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:04pm

The concept that it is within the scope of a states right to secede from the union wasn't even on the table when the nation was being formed. This debate took place before the Constitution was even drafted, in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. In the end, a limited Federal government was decided upon. If states had the right to arbitrarily decide to buck the rest of the union when they didn't get their way, we never would have had a union, but a confederacy. The formation of the union was meant to be 'permanent'.

276 RTLM  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:13pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

They would like to do us like Argentina. /A bastion of sound banking practices.

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez on Tuesday sent a bill to Congress to nationalize the country's private pension system.
277 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:15pm

re: #261 Adrenalyn

disagree
they called it before and DURING the election itself
and called it wrong

I wonder is MSM will pull the same stunts this year but only SOONER. I remember them calling Florida for Gore at around 7pm EST and the polls werent closed yet.

278 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:29pm

re: #210 hermeneutics
In 1868 an interesting case was brought before the SCOTUS. It was Texas vs. White and the case had to do with some bonds that were given to Texas prior to the Civil War. After the war the state of Texas tried to recover money from the sale of bonds made during the war. In their decision the SCOTUS brought to the table an interesting question "Did Texas, in consecuence of these acts, cease to be a State? Or, if not, did the State cease to be a member of the Union?" To Answer this: "The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. [74 U.S. 700, 726] When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law." The result: "Our conclusion therefore is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred. And this conclusion, in our judgment, is not in conflict with any act or declaration of any department of the National government, but entirely in accordance with the whole series of such acts and declarations since the first outbreak of the rebellion. "

279 Wilderstad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:00pm

re: #145 ggt

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

I would add, tell the product advertisers in that time slot why you won't be watching that network and their commercials.

280 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:10pm

re: #259 Oldasdirt

Dang good deal buddy,Happy for ya.
I'm going into a smaller house cause it's cheaper,and with the wife gone,and all kids grown and on there own,just didn't need a big ol house to paint and keep up with.I'm at the age where I got a little hitch in my get-along.

Crud, I've only got me, my dog and my cats, since my ex and I split up. Weird thing is I moved here from Phoenix, and I live in a town of 6000 in southwest Missouri that has more livestock than people, and my company is one of the biggest developers of banking-related software in the world.

281 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:01pm

re: #269 victor_yugo
You're welcome!

282 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:32pm

Well, Lizards, it's time for me to sleep.

weet dreams all!

283 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:31pm

re: #273 shanec99

Check Zogby... he was right.

In 2000 the race was close and Pres bush succeded based on the Electorial college, not popular vote... please remember... it was too close to call right up to the end.

In 2004 when Pres Bush won, the polls said he would, but they blamed it on the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.

gah !
I hope I am not feeding a troll
Bush won the popular vote too
for example
some overseas ballots were not counted
millions of absentee ballots were not counted
absentees vote republican
for example, in California alone Bush lost by something like 4 million votes
so they never bothered counting 1.5 million absentee
if he got 2/3 that is 1,000,000
supposedly Gore "won" by 300,000

do the math


won't even get into the vote fraud
cases which ended in prosecution and convictions of DEMOCRATS

284 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:35pm

re: #268 hermeneutics

I posted a link to this up at the top of this thread. It seems appropriate to post it again.

Public Opinion Research - An Honorable Profession, Warts and All
by Harry W. O'Neill

Points 1 and 3 may be relevant to that Zogby poll.

285 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:57pm

re: #263 Opilio

For better or worse, climate and economics are causing my (and your) formerly red state (Arizona) to get increasingly purple-ish red. Me no like.

It angers me that liberal Californians (no insult to you, CA Lizards, only for your liberal confreres) move to NV and AZ after screwing up their own state. They want lower taxes and fewer regulations. Good enough.

But why their political inclinations don't change with the change in address simply boggles my mind. If one is smart enough to relocate your company in AZ because it is a "friendly business state" they why the heck can't they recognize that "friendliness" = conservatism?

286 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:44pm

re: #268 hermeneutics

Texas has had some talk of secession if the ONE wins.But I still have faith in all American people.The Demon-crats have tried to dumb our school children down,but I still think enough good Americans see The One for what he is.
I would say what I think he is,but am trying to not use curse typing tonight.

287 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:09pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

gah !
I hope I am not feeding a troll

My two cents...you are. ;)

288 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:14pm

re: #285 hermeneutics

The more conservatives leave, the more liberals remain behind to keep screwing things up.

289 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and... I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

re: #270 gmsc

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff...

Interesting play.

Quoting Charles' post decrying Obama's birth certificate nonsense at the top of a post in which you link to a story about Obama's birth certificate nonsense.

290 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:59pm

real,
Vermont Maple Syrup.
;)

291 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:10pm

re: #278 empills

The result: "Our conclusion therefore is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred. And this conclusion, in our judgment, is not in conflict with any act or declaration of any department of the National government, but entirely in accordance with the whole series of such acts and declarations since the first outbreak of the rebellion. "

Excellent research!

I suppose this means that today's secessionists = revolutionists.

292 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:24pm

re: #277 Bos2112

I wonder is MSM will pull the same stunts this year but only SOONER. I remember them calling Florida for Gore at around 7pm EST and the polls werent closed yet.

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

293 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:46pm

LOL @ Fox11 here in LA

"The economy and ____ are issues, but it appears two more issues came up today-- Sarah Palin's expenditures"

OH YEAH?! WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM AYERS BEING A MURDEROUS COMMUNIST?!

294 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:04pm

re: #285 hermeneutics

It angers me that liberal Californians (no insult to you, CA Lizards, only for your liberal confreres) move to NV and AZ after screwing up their own state. They want lower taxes and fewer regulations. Good enough.

But why their political inclinations don't change with the change in address simply boggles my mind. If one is smart enough to relocate your company in AZ because it is a "friendly business state" they why the heck can't they recognize that "friendliness" = conservatism?

indeed, after the Oakland fire of 1991
thousands of liberals from Oakland moved to conservative Contra Costa County

soon, Bill Baker lost his house seat to the vile Ellen Tauscher
who I can say from first person experience, is indeed vile
because of the liberal influx who wanted a place to live
and also a nice, safe place to live
but they would not adapt, they forced "change"

argh ! there is that word again........

295 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:06pm

re: #270 gmsc

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff:

TV Station Political Analyst Dismisses Then Takes Seriously Questions About Obama Birth Certificate

Barack Obama was at Roswell. I knew it! I knew it!
////

296 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:07pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

you're merely hinting on the malignancy that is already infecting some unknown fraction of OUR country (how much, we'll see on Nov 5 (at the soonest)).

The media is still the source of the malignancy: to report on Governor Palin's (notice they don't call her Governor? Not unlike how Dr. Condoleeza Rice is just "Condoleeza Rice"? No mention of her PhD credentials, at all!@! It's NOT Governor Palin, but Ms. Palin.....NOT Mrs. Palin (wife of Todd)?

See my point! These people are off the edge.....

297 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:40pm

re: #292 JustMyView

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

298 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #287 WKSNL

My two cents...you are. ;)

and you know, I try to play nice
but in spite of my best effort to contain it....
at times I get deleted

I better sign off and get some work done before bed


good night all

299 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:57pm

re: #266 victor_yugo

Doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a 'legal' seccession. In this scenario it's not a seccession but a rebellion, and an attempt to carve a new nation out of the territory of the US. The fact that it might be drawn along the same lines of an existing state, and invoke its name would be mostly coincidental.

300 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:05pm

re: #290 Irene NYC

real,
Vermont Maple Syrup.
;)

I prefer Canadian maple syrup.

/At least they're not commies like the people of Vermont.

301 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:23pm

When will they ever learn
When will they e-e-e-e-v-e-r learn?

302 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:27pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Exactly what I was thinking. I decided weeks ago that Penn was the state I'm watching before going to bed that night.

303 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:55pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

I'd support it if any hypothetical union of "red" states explicitly defines and outlaws Socialism and Communism by name, establishes capitalism, liberty, and the rule of law as the official system, and explicitly encourages integration instead of balkanization for all immigrants. That alone would nip most of our problems in the bud right there. Deny the Victimhood peddlers a toehold, tell the Reds to stay on their side of the fence, crush Jacobinism into the dust of history where it belongs, and make sure that LIBERTY is made valuable, not just "Freedom". Freedom can be redefined and channeled, Liberty cannot.

You'd need a Jefferson to pull it off without screwing everything up, but maybe someday it'll happen. Sooner than we think, probably, if Zero becomes President and crashes the economy like he seems to want.

I had a cab driver tell me "Man, I think there's gonna be a war!" almost ten years ago. This was a cabbie in Boston. When the cabbies start worrying about civil war, you know something big is stirring.

304 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:56pm

re: #293 TheMatrix31

LOL @ Fox11 here in LA

"The economy and ____ are issues, but it appears two more issues came up today-- Sarah Palin's expenditures"

OH YEAH?! WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM AYERS BEING A MURDEROUS COMMUNIST?!

That info about Ayers is hardly news if one really knows him

305 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:01pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Good point. I am so anxious to see if we will know by the time VA and PA are done. I live in WA.

306 Penguinchic  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:32pm

Is there something that I haven't learned about moonbats in that they ignore the 10th amendment and see everything on a national level or is it that after the civil war the 10th amendment lost its importance?

307 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:38pm

re: #296 Castlebravo
HEll, I got so mad writing, not at you (mind you) but the MSM gets wrapped around the axle about how much money the RNC spent on GOVERNOR Palin's clothes, but won't cover Bimbo's mention of "FDR's going on TV after the crash of the Stockmarket to calm people down........."

I paraphrase that last.

308 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:39pm

re: #298 Adrenalyn

Good night.

309 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:29:18pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

If... that is a big if... you are speculating.

Based on the votes that were counted, our President lost the popular vote. He is still our President because the electoral college not the popular vote decides who will be President. Our founders in thier wisdom decided that even small region of the nation would be able to impact election and came up with the electoral college. Thank God they did.

310 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:29:36pm

re: #245 hermeneutics
Well I do understand what you're saying, but - and again keep in mind that I can't see into the future at all(!) I don't think so.
First of all, those of us who get onto political blogs (of both sides) tend to get wrapped up in things that probably 80% of the population doesn't know about and even if they did, wouldn't care about.
Secondly, and most importantly, we Red Staters don't have any sort of monopoly on great leaders - remember that that assholehat Jimmy Carter was a Red Stater. And, together, as Americans, we have waaay more that unites us than that which divides us. Probably more troops from NYC and California served in Iraq and Afghanistan than from any other 4 states of the Union. Could a divorce happen - maybe. But I sure hope not. Obama is a divider of the first order - compared to him (and to a lot of Republican candidates for POTUS) Kerry and Gore were sane, sensible people.
I truly think that Obama, more than any other candidate in my lifetime (and I personally remember over 12 presidential campaigns) has divided this country by race, by socialism vs. capitalism, by male vs. female by damn near any kind of comparison you could make.
And I and all of my male ancestors (except for some who fought for the Confederacy) were proud to serve The United States of America. The line, alas, ends with me but I truly hope and expect that we remain the United States of America forever.

311 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:07pm

re: #195 victor_yugo

Thanks for that.. it does sound a bit poetic after re-reading it :}

312 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:08pm

re: #302 spirochete

Exactly what I was thinking. I decided weeks ago that Penn was the state I'm watching before going to bed that night.

If he takes PA and keeps VA and NC, I think it's over. McC has a hard time winning without it. At one point about a month ago, all he needed to do was hold the ones that were red in the polls and throw in PA plus one of either MI, MN, or the twosome of MO/CO to win... before the freefall poll bias.

313 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:43pm

re: #288 victor_yugo

Yes, and maybe it will reach a tipping point. What this could look like, one could only guess.

I really don't believe in or advocate secession, but it is interesting to muse over and increasingly possible as our nation becomes ideologically polarized.

I see it as a long-term possibility IF and only IF red and blue citizens SELF-SORT GEOGRAPHICALLY.

The example above of liberal CAs moving to AZ and NV because of their friendly business climate and retaining their liberal political beliefs is movement counter to that of ideological self-sorting.

Conversely, families who consciously choose to move to low-tax or educationally free states sort ideologically.

If one trend is much stronger than the other, then the reds and the blues could, conceivably, go their separate ways. Again, I see it as a divorce, not a civil war; a realization that the country has irreconcilable differences with geographical boundaries.

314 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:10pm

re: #292 JustMyView

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

Would you give it a rest? You're a lib for Obama. Most of us know that. Go post over at Kos...Look up the meaning of the word annoying. But I'll give you credit for being polite despite your stupidity.

315 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:33pm

re: #299 scion9 Read my post #278 on Texas vs White the ruling was on the secession or rebellion as it was called by SCOTUS. The Union never saw the Southern States as successionists but rebels.

316 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:40pm

re: #304 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That info about Ayers is hardly news if one really knows him

**sigh**

It's too bad too. Why does anyone give a damn about campaign expenditures anyway? They're all rich, they're all politicians. Of course they're going to spend money on luxurious things. That's just what happens.

317 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:42pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Right, if McCain were to win PA, there'd be much less certainty about what the outcome would be. But Obama has more ways to win than McCain does. He could lose PA and still win.

318 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:56pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Absolutely not. IIRC, they waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, to call Ohio in 2004. Because once they did, they had to admit that they lost.

319 Racer X  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:32:30pm

Impeach Obama.

Type into your browser "impeachobama.com" and see what happens.

320 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:10pm

re: #295 Oldasdirt

Barack Obama was at Roswell. I knew it! I knew it!
////

Have any of the tinfoil hat sites started to claim that Obama is a reptilian alien yet? There are websites where people post photos that supposedly show how guys like Bush & Tony Blair are really lizard aliens wearing human masks. I'm wondering how the crazies*** are handling Obama's media presence.

*** not fringe whackos like Ronulans, or garden-variety Obamatons, I mean CRAZY crazies, like "chemtrails and UFOs" crazy.

321 Semi Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:25pm

re: #173 Charles

And we can't just say 'Hillary started it!' any more. I have a bad feeling about this stuff.

322 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:34:41pm

re: #317 JustMyView

Right, if McCain were to win PA, there'd be much less certainty about what the outcome would be. But Obama has more ways to win than McCain does. He could lose PA and still win.

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of your butt.

If Zero loses PA, he loses the election.

323 YankeeBoy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:35:50pm

Lizards of the night like real country music.

just might be a driveby..kinda late...but I'll try to stick around long enouph to get flack for my taste in music.

324 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:35:52pm

re: #319 Racer X

Impeach Obama.

Type into your browser "impeachobama.com" and see what happens.

google and altavista get entirely different results.

325 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:06pm

re: #318 Opilio

Absolutely not. IIRC, they waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, to call Ohio in 2004. Because once they did, they had to admit that they lost.

I think if PA goes then it'll show others drifting to the red side. I think NH would also go if PA does and Florida would as well. If you can hook the Quakers then I think the message has gotten through and FL/NH would also likely head over as well.

326 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:16pm

Here's what is more troubling than that outside chance of secession ... what if our country becomes EVEN MORE polarized, that the reds and the blues simply detest each other, and there is NO geographical self-sorting?

How could we live together?

We're getting to that stage now. Reds and blues increasingly live in parallel, untouching universes. Actually, in my wee opinion, blues have less contact with reds, than the other way around. Reds have to endure college (a blue zone.)

327 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:37:07pm

re: #303 Pawn of the Oppressor


I'd support it if any hypothetical union of "red" states explicitly defines and outlaws Socialism and Communism by name,

I don't think that would work, or even be 'right'. The issue isn't that Communism isn't outlawed. You say we would need a Jefferson, but it was Jefferson who understood that for his vision of a Republic to exist it would require education.

If people were actually educated properly on civics, most of our problems would likely be solved. Attempts at outlawing Communism wouldn't wind up being terribly different than Communists attempts to outlaw everything else after a few generations. If there is popular support for it, all you are going to wind up having is lots and lots of political prisoners. Gulags for Communists isn't any more moral, or feasible than gulags by Communists.

328 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:37:14pm

The Union must stand together. Obama has divided the country even more than Hillary. If we all go to our local victory office and make 50 phone calls I guarantee that once again we will win the election. 13 days left and MSNBC is reporting a blowout 1 hour of your time could save the next four years

329 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:38:59pm

Here is the analysis of the polling data and prediction of the race between Pres Bush and Kerry:
[Link: synapse.princeton.edu...]

The prediction was Kerry 252, Pres Bush 286 a clear prediction of a win by President Bush.

330 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:39:22pm

re: #45 realwest

Hi ggt! I'm not doing as well as I'd like, but I'm otherwise ok.
Did something today that I SWORE I'd never do: engaged a moonbat couple in a "converstation". They were all for Obama (no one mentioned Biden). When I said that although Bush had disappointed me in some areas, I think he should get the credit for there being no further "9/11"'s on American Soil. They started by saying that it just proved that there is no real GWOT - that 9/11 was a "one-off". The conversation - I fully confess aided and abetted by me - went downhill very VERY rapidly from there.
I cooled off a little and ticked off all the reasons to not vote for Obama and to Vote for McCain. He said that he didn't know most of what I'd said about Obama, she said I was making it up. I responded by sneering at her and addressing him: "Don't you think you should learn about the candidate you intend to vote for BEFORE you vote for him?" and his and her reply were that they did know about Obama - my response was that they manifestly did not as he had said he didn't know these things and "so what" everyone can make a mistake in choosing a candidate and I replied - before storming off - FUCK YOU - YOU are making a voting decision that's going to FUCK UP MY LIFE and the lives of tens of millions of Americans you stupid POS.
I didn't win any friends, but I'm thinking that the male of the couple is thinking about what I said and may not vote for Obama.
And I'm just embarrassed as hell cause I lost my temper like that.

God bless ya......sounds like you got in their face, just like their dear leader wants them to do. Kudos to you. I'm generally mild mannered but my dander is up and I'm more than ready to get in faces too. You inspire me.....
Time for stout hearts........

331 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:39:40pm

re: #326 hermeneutics

My hope is that their heathen ways will lead them to breed themselves out of existence. Or, not that I hope for it, but it might come to pass that a nuclear type crisis leaves the ones that survive to depend on us to save their sorry butts.

332 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:40:01pm

re: #273 shanec99 Huh.
"it was too close to call right up to the end." Yet when I went to bed at around 12:30 the MSM had declared Gore the winner. Imagine my surprise when I woke up the next day!
Polls, I'm afraid, suck. Either they don't get the right deographics or get folks who lie to them (I understand that quite a few White folks have said they intend to vote for Obama, less they be called "racist" and the PUMA's have actually told their "memeber" to LIE if they are polled, to say they are Dems and will vote for Obama.
AND I STILL THINK, that when the Average American Voter gets into the privacy of a voting booth, he or she votes for the candidate they TRUST.
Of course, massive VOTER FRAUD by ACORN could turn that all around, but I sincerely doubt it. I do think Obama's ahead NOW, but not by double digitis, indeed by less than 5 points nationwide and in some so-called Battleground states, I think McCain is winning by a couple of points.
And I really doubt we'll know who the winner is on November 5th.

333 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:40:07pm

So, to continue, blues have a distinct disadvantage in that they really don't understand conservative thought. They're able to exist in red-free zones (universities, urban ghettos, the declining media empire, government jobs and, of course, "community organizing" groups.)

Reds, though, MUST pass through the gauntlet of education. Public schools are mostly blue. Universities are deep blue. THe media is blue. All of this is unavoidable, mostly.

334 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:41:22pm

The election is temporary. Long after Obama wins or loses, donkey-boy Billy Ayers and horse-wife Dohrn will still be COLLEGE PROFESSORS! (and just might have the ear of the President)

This should be our concentration. Not the Obama connection per se, but the fact that to Traitors and murderers are"teaching our children."

What should also be noted (as Zombie does) is that what was once "revolutionary" is not mainstream. This ideology that the Communist/Socialists believed was the way to destroy the U.S. is ironically held by Obama, and most of the Democrat party base. I no longer care how much they deny it, if you read this revolutionary, communist manifesto by two proud Anti-American, Traitors it is plain to see that their ideas are the platform of the progressive (if not the Democrat) party! This issue is much larger, and much more important than the present election!

on that note I'm going to sleep.


Lech Em Elohim!

335 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:41:45pm

re: #329 shanec99

Here is the analysis of the polling data and prediction of the race between Pres Bush and Kerry:
[Link: synapse.princeton.edu...]

The prediction was Kerry 252, Pres Bush 286 a clear prediction of a win by President Bush.

Isn't this analysis ONLY the last poll taken prior to the election by each of the major polling firms? If so, polls tighten, and almost always they tighten in a way that favors Republicans.

336 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:42:43pm

re: #331 WKSNL

My hope is that their heathen ways will lead them to breed themselves out of existence. Or, not that I hope for it, but it might come to pass that a nuclear type crisis leaves the ones that survive to depend on us to save their sorry butts.

I've thought that way too, but never articulated it.

337 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:42:46pm

re: #322 Opilio

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of your butt.

If Zero loses PA, he loses the election.

Thank you Murtha,calls our troops murderers,and his constituents racist and rednecks.G.d willing that will put McCain over the top in PA.

338 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #334 WrathofG-d

PIMF

The election is temporary. Long after Obama wins or loses, donkey-boy Billy Ayers and horse-wife Dohrn will still be COLLEGE PROFESSORS! (and just might have the ear of the President)

This should be our concentration. Not the Obama connection per se, but the fact that two Traitors and murderers are"teaching our children."

What should also be noted (as Zombie does) is that what was once "revolutionary" is now mainstream. This ideology that the Communist/Socialists believed was the way to destroy the U.S. is ironically held by Obama, and most of the Democrat party base. No matter how "crazy" that might sound, READ THE BOOK, and see for yourself.

I no longer care how much they deny it, if you read this revolutionary, communist manifesto by two proud Anti-American Traitors it is plain to see that their ideas are the platform of the progressive (if not the Democrat) party!

This issue is much larger, and much more important than the present election!

on that note I'm going to sleep.


Lech Em Elohim!

339 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:56pm

I bought Ted Nugent's 'Ted White and Blue' tonight. Ted's the man! Dude's got a fantastic message.. one that could do a lot of good these days.

340 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:06pm

also if 100 college students say they will vote obama only 60 will statistically vote but it will be close

341 dr.charlemagne  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:08pm

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

342 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:35pm

re: #290 Irene NYC
Yeah, but just try to find some real Vermont Maple Syrup!
And I don't like real or fake Maple syrup anyway!

343 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:05pm

re: #332 realwest
The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

344 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:21pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

It's a good question although I'm not sure the answer is as easy as you'd make it to be. The Red Nation would be completely self sufficient in agriculture, oil and other natural resources. The Blue would have greater international clout considering their political stance. The Red would be better off initially for sure but long term....

345 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:56pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

They'd probably come up with some fake standard of "happiness" or other way of ignoring reality, similar to the way they champion the Scandinavian countries.

346 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:18pm

re: #343 rancher

i cant wait for chris mathews to scream

347 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:38pm

re: #243 ggt

What would happen if a large block of independent business people simply refused to send their quarterly taxes in?

How would the IRS/Gov't deal with hundreds of thousands of non-compliant citizens?


Walter E. Williams goes so far to suggest that when the Feds threaten to withhold highway dollars or other government money, that whole states should refuse to send in federal income taxes. It would be fun to see where that leads.

348 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:51pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

So!So! Very true indeed.

349 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:57pm

re: #342 realwest

Yeah, but just try to find some real Vermont Maple Syrup!
And I don't like real or fake Maple syrup anyway!


real,
That was the only thing I could think of out of Vermont except, of course, for Circus Smirkus!
;)

350 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:06pm

re: #309 shanec99
Yeah, and just think, if Gore had won his home state - where presumably the voters knew him best, he'd a won the election!

351 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

Honestly, I hope they riot. And scream. And try to steal the election in the courts. I hope their character and dishonesty is exposed for all to see.

The LA riots opened many eyes, you know.

352 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:29pm

re: #339 Captkirk35

A comedy/political group composed of:

Ted Nugent
Ron White
and our own ploome hineni

Ted, White, and Jew!

/thanks, i'm here until friday

353 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:37pm

re: #335 hermeneutics

Isn't this analysis ONLY the last poll taken prior to the election by each of the major polling firms? If so, polls tighten, and almost always they tighten in a way that favors Republicans.

The argument that was made earlier stated that right before the election the prediction was that John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry would win, the analysis clearly shows that among decided voters President Bush was favored to win by more than 30 electoral college votes. I remembered clearly how the MSM lamented and blamed this on the Swift Vote Veterans ads.

354 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

355 Last Man  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:13pm

So Gergen Republicans are growing in ranks and you betcha embarrassed to be seen in light, natural or klieg. Well at least the runner up beauty queen passes the blow shit up test that wrong way Joe implores lefty donors to grade the clean one on with mercy. Seems the first 400 in the Boston white pages loses out to Harvard after all. She's obviously more than the slow adult narrative the fourth estate pamphleteers choose during a "news" cycle.

356 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:33pm

re: #352 victor_yugo

A comedy/political group composed of:

Ted Nugent
Ron White
and our own ploome hineni

Ted, White, and Jew!

/thanks, i'm here until friday

With jokes like this, I'm not trying the veal.

357 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:50pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

I think ACORN's obnoxiousness is only amplifying the Bradley effect.

358 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:51pm

What are the odds of their heads finally exploding from decades of pent-up cognitive dissonance (if)when it's McCain/Palin?

Sorry for the (if) - I don't want to jinx us.

359 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:52pm

re: #326 hermeneutics

I don't think the country is as polarized as it might seem. I mean, politics isn't 'polite conversation' in most circles. Even those with strong political beliefs aren't activists, and we are extremely far away from seeing people willing to turn on their neighbors for their political views in a violent fashion.

The truth of it is, is that most people don't even know the political views of a lot their friends and co-workers. Even when that illusion is shattered people don't necessarily dump their friends, they just agree not to talk politics.

This polarization is illusory. There were violent conflicts for decades leading up to the Civil War. Until 'Days of Rage' and Oklahoma City aren't anomalous events separated by decades, but regular violent conflicts (and even more so against specific targets rather than the undirected rage seen at riots) between clashing and irreconcilable ideologies we aren't anywhere near a boiling point.

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:00pm

Damn- leave for awhile, and all hell breaks loose.

361 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:15pm

re: #351 hermeneutics

I hope their character and dishonesty is exposed for all to see.

Like in 2000?

362 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:36pm

re: #356 gmsc

With jokes like this, I'm not trying the veal.

But wait til you hear their jokes!

363 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:46pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

Fear not. The PUMAs have our back.

364 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:54pm

re: #361 rancher

Like in 2000?

And 2004.

365 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:01pm

re: #359 scion9

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

366 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

Tell them that, if they want your money, they can leave the politics out.

367 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:57pm

at my college at SCSU we had a guest speaker talk about how republicans stole election in 2004 by not counting black votes...

368 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:52:33pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Damn- leave for awhile, and all hell breaks loose.

That should teach you not to ever leave, Sharmuta!

369 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:53:09pm

re: #355 Last Man

So Gergen Republicans are growing in ranks and you betcha embarrassed to be seen in light, natural or klieg. Well at least the runner up beauty queen passes the blow shit up test that wrong way Joe implores lefty donors to grade the clean one on with mercy. Seems the first 400 in the Boston white pages loses out to Harvard after all. She's obviously more than the slow adult narrative the fourth estate pamphleteers choose during a "news" cycle.

I'm sure you made a point in there somewhere, but damn if I can find it. I think I blew out a few neurons just trying to read it.

370 middlecon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:53:11pm

re: #359 scion9

I don't think the country is as polarized as it might seem. I mean, politics isn't 'polite conversation' in most circles. Even those with strong political beliefs aren't activists, and we are extremely far away from seeing people willing to turn on their neighbors for their political views in a violent fashion.

The truth of it is, is that most people don't even know the political views of a lot their friends and co-workers. Even when that illusion is shattered people don't necessarily dump their friends, they just agree not to talk politics.

This polarization is illusory. There were violent conflicts for decades leading up to the Civil War. Until 'Days of Rage' and Oklahoma City aren't anomalous events separated by decades, but regular violent conflicts (and even more so against specific targets rather than the undirected rage seen at riots) between clashing and irreconcilable ideologies we aren't anywhere near a boiling point.


I completely agree the country only really 'fights it out' politically on the cable talk shows and the internet, outside of that people get along very well, be it red, blue, yellow or green....does anyone here actually ask a persons political affiliation before they decide to treat the person with respect? Americans generally get along with each other.

371 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:05pm

re: #353 shanec99

The argument that was made earlier stated that right before the election the prediction was that John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry would win, the analysis clearly shows that among decided voters President Bush was favored to win by more than 30 electoral college votes. I remembered clearly how the MSM lamented and blamed this on the Swift Vote Veterans ads.

Okay. But ... the polls the month, week (but not day) before the election mostly favored Dems. Strongly so, in fact.

Self-reported ID generally varies from a Dem advantage of 0 (2004) to 4 percent. I've been trying to jigger all the polling numbers with stated internals to a worst-case-scenario 4% Democratic advantage in ID. When I do this, Republicans often win.

To sum: The polls heavily over-weigh Dem respondents IF RECENT ELECTORAL HISTORY is our gauge. Of course, the Dems will say that this election is different, but they said the same in 2oo4, 2000, 1996, etc. The youth are coming ... the youth are coming ... but they never came. Now it is AAs and youth.

So if you jigger the poll for your preassumed HIGH youth turnout and HIGH AA turnout; so high, in fact, that they blow away historical precedent, then maybe these polls are accurate.

I'm betcha they're wrong and history, once again, reasserts itself.

People are so constant.

372 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:08pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

If the blue states outlawed guns. Which states would you move to? More importantly, which states would the criminals move to?

373 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:35pm

I am NOT a Gergen Republican.

I AM a REAGAN Conservative.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

....and I would glady suit up in Gray to "....preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign, [here's the clincher:] and domestic, so help me God."

374 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:55:05pm

re: #366 victor_yugo

Tell them that, if they want your money, they can leave the politics out.


It's not necessarily the vendors. It could be the person standing in back of you in line, or it could be Mayor Bloomberg's rules about how food can and cannot be prepared, etc. Sadly, there are some people whom I converse with that throw politics into every single line. Yesterday, while out for a late lunch, I finally was tweaked into saying, "Oh, I couldn't possibly vote for universal health care because I depend on the best medical care money can buy." You should've seen the look I got. LOL!

375 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

376 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:56:09pm

re: #359 scion9

Respectfully, I disagree. I'm in my mid-40s and I've never felt such anger on the right or left. This election FEELS different.

Yes, this is utterly subjective.

377 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:56:14pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

Same here in Texas,,but no arguments,,we are all Conservative.

378 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:02pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Can you tell me in 100 words or less what I missed? Just came back on line... ;)

379 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:13pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

I live in Maryland, right outside the Beltway, which is just as much a Democrat Dystopia as NYC. I've never been asked my political affiliation in NYC. I've certainly never killed anyone, or been killed over it either. It certainly isn't Bleeding Kansas up there or down here yet.

380 BignJames  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:22pm

re: #367 ak47_rus

at my college at SCSU we had a guest speaker talk about how republicans stole election in 2004 by not counting black votes...

How would "republicans" know which votes were cast by blacks?

381 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:51pm

re: #373 Castlebravo

I am NOT a Gergen Republican.

I AM a REAGAN Conservative.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

....and I would glady suit up in Gray to "....preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign, [here's the clincher:] and domestic, so help me God."

Stars and Bars,These colors don't run.

382 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:58:31pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

I went back to my polling place after I voted early to get an absentee ballot for my wife. I told them I was Tony Romo and wanted to vote. The guy there, who knew me and knew I had just voted, asked to see my pinky finger! I was disenfranchised as will most of the ACORN registered phonies be disenfranchised. Mickey Mouse won't vote. The guy who registered 72 times will vote once, if that.

What ACORN did was swell the number of registered Democrat voters so that polls working off that number will be skewed Democrat. ACORN has magnified the margin of error so the election results will be even more of a puzzle to the uninformed.

383 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:14pm

re: #371 hermeneutics

Okay. But ... the polls the month, week (but not day) before the election mostly favored Dems. Strongly so, in fact.

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

384 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:22pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

Just because you site Nate Silver at 538 and Newsweek for your conclusions, It doesn't make them true. Sorry.

385 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:56pm

OT: October 23 events:

2001 - The iPod was first released
1973 - Nixon agrees to turn over the Watergate tapes
1958 - The Smurfs first debut in Spirou, a comics magazine
1946 - The United Nations General Assembly convened for the first time
1915 - Woman's suffrage: In New York City, 25,000-33,000 women march on Fifth Avenue to advocate their right to vote.
1911 - First use of aircraft in war: An Italian pilot takes off from Libya to observe Turkish army lines during the Turco-Italian War.
1861 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus in Washington, D.C., for all military-related cases.

386 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:26pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

There's a LOT of discussion and little consensus on this, JMV. We'll see after the election if we ever know the answer.

I personally think the Bradley effect is merely a measure of unwillingness to tell a pollster the truth (if one supports McCain.) For some, it is a measure of political correctness -- the fear of being labeled a racist if one doesn't support Obama. For others, it is an anger at pollsters -- the desire to get back at those who are pushing, not polling.

387 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:30pm

re: #382 rancher

I went back to my polling place after I voted early to get an absentee ballot for my wife. I told them I was Tony Romo and wanted to vote. The guy there, who knew me and knew I had just voted, asked to see my pinky finger! I was disenfranchised as will most of the ACORN registered phonies be disenfranchised. Mickey Mouse won't vote. The guy who registered 72 times will vote once, if that.

What ACORN did was swell the number of registered Democrat voters so that polls working off that number will be skewed Democrat. ACORN has magnified the margin of error so the election results will be even more of a puzzle to the uninformed.

I like that take.

There sure is a hell of a lot of noise in the polling. The weighting by registration seems to me to be a madness.

388 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:35pm

re: #376 hermeneutics

I agree, and I am almost 71. I feel like we are in the midst of a national nightmare, but I have not given up hope, and will not.

May the best man win=McCain/Palin.

The other 2, who shall remain nameless, as it bothers my fingerst to type, and makes me want to puke when I see them, are, without a doubt, the worst of the worst. I rate them in negative numbers.

389 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:36pm

Well all y'all as interesting as this has been and although I know it will come as a surprise and a disappointment to some out here, folks still have to vote before we'll know who the next POTUS is.
I realize that folks like JustMyView and Shane99 wish we'd all read the polls and say "why bother to vote" but regardless I am going to vote and let the chips fall where they may.
And I still stand by my #310.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

390 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:01:54pm

re: #383 JustMyView

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

I've got to go research because I don't have enough information to refute or confirm what you just wrote.

391 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:02:48pm

re: #378 NY Nana

Charles got pissed up thread.

392 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:03:10pm

re: #382 rancher

Why couldn't you just drive to every polling station in your state with your 72 registration cards to avoid face recognition?

393 BignJames  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:03:23pm

re: #389 realwest


I voted yesterday.

394 Tissa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:29pm

re: #375 JustMyView

But the PUMA effect is hidden as thier strategy is to mess with the polsters when asked by telling them they are democrats and voting for democrats.

395 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:34pm

re: #392 scion9

Why couldn't you just drive to every polling station in your state with your 72 registration cards to avoid face recognition?

Great idea, unless you live in a state like Delaware or Rhode Island.

396 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:56pm

re: #383 JustMyView

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

Those are just RCP numbers.

397 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:00pm

re: #386 hermeneutics

There's a LOT of discussion and little consensus on this, JMV. We'll see after the election if we ever know the answer.

I personally think the Bradley effect is merely a measure of unwillingness to tell a pollster the truth (if one supports McCain.) For some, it is a measure of political correctness -- the fear of being labeled a racist if one doesn't support Obama. For others, it is an anger at pollsters -- the desire to get back at those who are pushing, not polling.

Much like your own personal experience that you related some months back.

Lying to pollsters is not uncommon. I don't know what the numbers are, I have no way of knowing other than an impression, but I think that the current level of lying to pollsters is larger than it has been in the past.

398 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:35pm

If you're getting your polling info from 527, think again -- he's an old Kos poster, and though his math looks impressive, it doesn't overcome his strong Dem bias.

Anyway ... Good night, Lizards. Sleep calls me gently. For once, I'm not drugged.

399 middlecon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:58pm

I was polled this year, for the 2nd time (once in 1992)...anyway I don't self identify as 'Republican' to pollsters, sure I vote Republican 99% (other 1% libertarian) of the time, but I really hate to tie myself to any particular party. If other people are like me I can see why there is always a wide gap between self identifying Republicans and Democrats, likely Republican voters are just less likely to identify with the Republican party.

This link has probably been on here before but its the same type of thing that happens in the UK:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

400 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:06:18pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.


We will see. Will you be with us on election night? Although if history is any judge this won't be over till months after the election...

401 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:06:38pm

re: #378 NY Nana

"Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. "

402 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:07:50pm

re: #352 victor_yugo

Sounds like a winner ;}

403 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:07:53pm

re: #380 BignJames

How would "republicans" know which votes were cast by blacks?

What is the name of the fool who said that?

Tell the fool to read Princeton University metanalysis and prediction based on probable votes, the prediction was that Pres Bush would win by more than 30 votes in the electoral college.
[Link: synapse.princeton.edu...]
Princeton generally get it right, but for some reason the media does not frequently quote them.

404 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:08:10pm

re: #390 hermeneutics

I've got to go research because I don't have enough information to refute or confirm what you just wrote.

You can just click on the link. That graph shows the average of all the major polls throughout October, 2004. Or, if you prefer number, you can check out this table, which shows small differences in favor of Bush throughout the month.

405 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:09:01pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The ABC/WashPost poll in late September found 86 percent of Republicans for McCain, 88 percent of Democrats for Obama.

First, it's an ABC poll. Second it's a WashPost poll. Third, that should be 99% Obama so the PUMAs are very much a factor. Fourth, the poll is old.

406 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:09:06pm

re: #370 middlecon

I completely agree the country only really 'fights it out' politically on the cable talk shows and the internet, outside of that people get along very well, be it red, blue, yellow or green....does anyone here actually ask a persons political affiliation before they decide to treat the person with respect? Americans generally get along with each other.

Unfortunately, once I learn a person's political leanings, it tends to bother me. I think that's just youth though. I will slowly start to understand that not everyone views things as I do, but it's definitely a struggle when we here @ LGF see things that are so blatantly clear to us yet others have no idea.

407 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:09:25pm

re: #400 rancher

We will see. Will you be with us on election night? Although if history is any judge this won't be over till months after the election...

Very likely, I'll be around. And, yes, that's when we'll finally see.

408 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:09:51pm

re: #355 Last Man

So Gergen Republicans are growing in ranks and you betcha embarrassed to be seen in light, natural or klieg. Well at least the runner up beauty queen passes the blow shit up test that wrong way Joe implores lefty donors to grade the clean one on with mercy. Seems the first 400 in the Boston white pages loses out to Harvard after all. She's obviously more than the slow adult narrative the fourth estate pamphleteers choose during a "news" cycle.

WTF did you just try to say? Just askin'...

409 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:10:31pm

re: #401 empills

"Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. "

"...and Leon's getting laaaaarrger!"

410 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:10:42pm

re: #375 JustMyView

And you believe everything you're told by the fair minded media, don't you?

Keep telling yourself the PUMAs are non-existent. You're a fool.

411 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:11:12pm

JMV- read the republican party platform yet, or are you still being intellectually lazy?

412 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:12:03pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

GO POST AT KOS, YOU F'ING MORON! NO ONE HEAR WANTS TO HEAR YOUR CONVOLUTED SHIT!

413 middlecon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:13:11pm

re: #406 TheMatrix31

Unfortunately, once I learn a person's political leanings, it tends to bother me. I think that's just youth though. I will slowly start to understand that not everyone views things as I do, but it's definitely a struggle when we here @ LGF see things that are so blatantly clear to us yet others have no idea.

I've had co-workers that were Democrats, even some that believed in alot of silly conspiracy theories, and although I thought they were a little weird, I believed in their right to believe what they want to believe even though I disagreed with them. I think thats one of the things that makes America great, the right to disagree and settle it at the ballot box.

414 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:13:32pm

re: #409 gmsc

......Love that movie!


Coffee...

No thanks!

______________-


I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.


_______________________-


Striker....Striker.....Srtriker.......Strike her.....

BAM........


_________________

415 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:13:33pm

re: #405 rancher

First, it's an ABC poll. Second it's a WashPost poll. Third, that should be 99% Obama so the PUMAs are very much a factor. Fourth, the poll is old.

Well, the last of those observations is valid. But it doesn't make any sense to say that PUMAs are "very much a factor". By definition, a PUMA is a Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic candidate, but as the article I linked to showed, support for the Democratic candidate among Democrats is higher than support for the Republican candidate among Republicans. Certainly there are some PUMAs, but they are not a significant portion of the electorate.

416 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:13:36pm

Cleveland and Pittsburgh voter report

Dear HillBuzz,

Here’s something completely unscientific — but wholly contrary to what the media’s been claiming. I saw you posted remarks on the polls media are pushing, claiming 80% of Clinton voters are backing Obama and that 85% of Democrats are all falling in line…more than the percentage of Republicans who are voting for McCain (which the media claims is only 80%).

Well, the last three days I took the time to call and email everyone I know back home, and everyone my boyfriend knows in Pittsburgh where he is from. Between the two of us, we know about 300 people: our families, our friends, our friends’ families, and our friends’ families’ friends.

We asked everyone who they are voting for — and all of these people are Democrats. Most of them voted for John Kerry in 2004 (some didn’t vote, and a few voted third party).

Here’s how things broke down:

300 Cleveland and Pittsburgh voters

260 = John McCain, and voting Republican for the first time

10 = voting for Nader, because they just can’t vote Republican, but can’t vote Obama

10 = voting Green, because they specifically said they want to punish Democrats for what they did to Hillary

20= not voting this year (15 of those didn’t vote in 2000, but voted in 2004; 5 of them have always voted so this is the first year they are skipping)

Not a single one of them are voting for Obama.

Read the whole thing.

417 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:13:51pm

re: #401 empills

"Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. "

/So I didn't miss much. Pheeew.

Thanks! ROTFL....and did I ever need a real laugh! Re Prince Charles? Hmmm, I think the ever-lovely Camilla's would suit him more.

418 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:14:02pm

Hi everyone.

I was just looking through some of my old protest photographs when I came across this picture and wondered; do you have to be white to join this group?

419 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:15:00pm

re: #412 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

GO POST AT KOS, YOU F'ING MORON! NO ONE HEAR WANTS TO HEAR YOUR CONVOLUTED SHIT!

Crap, I get so damn pissed off-
No one HERE wants to hear your convoluted shit. moron!

420 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:15:39pm

re: #414 Castlebravo

......Love that movie!


Coffee...

No thanks!

______________-


I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.


_______________________-


Striker....Striker.....Srtriker.......St rike her.....

BAM........


_________________

You'll enjoy this, Castlebravo!

421 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:16:37pm

re: #416 gmsc

F*ck yeah, Baby!

422 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:16:46pm

re: #377 Oldasdirt

Did you see the release today that the Evangelist Guru in Houston, Tx, actually endorsed Obama as the second coming? I could not believe it!
Does O have Houston? There used to be alot of Conservatives there, but it has become so transient in population in the last 4 years!

423 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:17:00pm

re: #418 Ringo the Gringo

Hi everyone.

I was just looking through some of my old protest photographs when I came across this picture and wondered; do you have to be white to join this group?

Got to love those racially exclusive anti-racist clubs.

424 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:17:21pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

I've already cancelled TIME, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated. I have told them, stop SOCIALIzing everything. Stop bashing everything American.

I get no response....except SI, who asked me if I was sure I wanted to cancel my subscription.

The bigger problem is the MSM is still out there: Courics, CNN, MSNBC, etc....and of course, if they lose (and God I pray they do), they will claim that the country is racist (which it's not), and completely ignore that fact that O/B lost because of their radical leftism. They will not recognize that. Pelosi won't, Reid won't, Hollywood will claim racism......WHY do they get to re-define words, history? language?

THere is a biggger cancer afflicting this country. You notice that the keepers of the public trust (Congress) had the 3 CEOs of the 3 Credit Bureaus on the hill today grilling them over credit scores given to MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities).....why the hell didn't somebody point out the fact that DEMOCRATS strong armed banks into giving loans to people that had no business getting loans? WHen are we going to see somebody of consequence (G. Bush?) put this rightfully where it belongs? I turn purple everytime I hear Barney Frank open his fat mouth. I want to call raines, and Gorelick, et al, and say, GIVE THE MONEY BACK!

We need somebody of consequence and balls to stand up and call the spade what it is............................

I absolutely quit on SI back during the McGuire/Sosa homerun chase of '97 (or was it '98? I can't remember). In an article about the chase, they basically said Hispanics were rooting for Sosa because of Hispanic pride, and Caucasians were rooting for McGuire because they were racists (foreshadowing this year's presidential race). Blech...

425 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:18:29pm

re: #420 gmsc

I love it!

IT was on last night!

I stayed up watching it.....loved Murdoch moving his cofee away from loyd bridges (or whatever his name was...) with the cigarette butt.......then get's burned on the hand....

A buh?

Not, not a buh, a bomb...but that's not important right now.

426 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:18:32pm

re: #416 gmsc

I just read this and was about to post it when I saw your post.

It should help cheer people up.

427 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:19:20pm

re: #423 scion9

Got to love those racially exclusive anti-racist clubs.

Dude, they're not a club, they're an alliance.

428 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:19:49pm

re: #415 JustMyView

Well, the last of those observations is valid. But it doesn't make any sense to say that PUMAs are "very much a factor". By definition, a PUMA is a Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic candidate, but as the article I linked to showed, support for the Democratic candidate among Democrats is higher than support for the Republican candidate among Republicans. Certainly there are some PUMAs, but they are not a significant portion of the electorate.

That is anecdotal. It doesn't mean the pol is correct. Savvy?

429 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:19:54pm

re: #409 gmsc

"...and Leon's getting laaaaarrger!"

LOL! To me, the funniest movie ever made, featuring the single best line of dialogue ever, delivered in perfect deadpan style by Leslie Nielsen.

430 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:20:06pm

re: #415 JustMyView

Well, the last of those observations is valid. But it doesn't make any sense to say that PUMAs are "very much a factor". By definition, a PUMA is a Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic candidate, but as the article I linked to showed, support for the Democratic candidate among Democrats is higher than support for the Republican candidate among Republicans. Certainly there are some PUMAs, but they are not a significant portion of the electorate.

The article you posted? Did it ever occur to you, moron, that none of us believe that crap, you idiot?

I swear, you're Kilgore Trout's sock puppet, numbnuts.

431 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:21:08pm

Okay, now I'm REALLY going to sleep, but for the person upthread who claimed that the last election had polling that favored Bush, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just looked in my files.

The last ten polls of 2004, showing their bias towards dems:
Marist +3.5

GW/Battleground -1.5

TIPP +0.4

CBS News +.5

Harris +1.5

FOX News +3.5

Reuters/Zogby +1.5

CNN/USA/Gallup +2.5

NBC/WSJ +1.5

ABC/Wash Post +1.5

432 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:21:28pm

Good nighty, LIzards. I mean it this time!

433 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:21:32pm

re: #391 Sharmuta

Wow! It had to really be well-deserved, as he has mote patience that the rest of us put together, so help me.

Thanks...I am off to sleep...after 2 AM here. We can all hope and pray that there will be better news today...and that Obama's 'October surprise' will finish his candidacy...while he finally visits the very same Grandmother he threw under the bus. What a POS he is.

Let him fly back in steerage...and not Obama One Zero.

Sweet dreams, all.

434 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:21:51pm

re: #415 JustMyView

Well, the last of those observations is valid. But it doesn't make any sense to say that PUMAs are "very much a factor". By definition, a PUMA is a Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic candidate, but as the article I linked to showed, support for the Democratic candidate among Democrats is higher than support for the Republican candidate among Republicans. Certainly there are some PUMAs, but they are not a significant portion of the electorate.

You can tell a lie to a lib over and over,and they will believe it,but here you are among Conservatives,,not gonna work.

435 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:23:02pm

re: #420 gmsc


Thanks! I needed that comic relief before I try to go to sleep tonite!

Those TWO movies ARE great!

Highly appreciated!

436 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:23:17pm

re: #422 notutopia

Did you see the release today that the Evangelist Guru in Houston, Tx, actually endorsed Obama as the second coming? I could not believe it!
Does O have Houston? There used to be alot of Conservatives there, but it has become so transient in population in the last 4 years!

Yes..I saw that,,and in the past 15 years,Houston has become a large city that needs an enema.

437 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:23:41pm

re: #434 Oldasdirt

You can tell a lie to a lib over and over,and they will believe it,but here you are among Conservatives,,not gonna work.

I shouldn't get so upset, but man, I cannot take these lib losers...

438 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:23:55pm

re: #429 I Need A Bigger Gun

LOL! To me, the funniest movie ever made, featuring the single best line of dialogue ever, delivered in perfect deadpan style by Leslie Nielsen.

Growing up, I remember Leslie Neilsen as a purely dramatic actor. It was a shock to see him in Airplane! the first time, as I had never thought of him as doing comedy. It's largely why he was so effective for that role.

Now, we have an entire generation of people who have no idea Leslie Nielsen was a dramatic actor.

439 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:24:14pm

re: #436 Oldasdirt
Goodness! That bad huh?

440 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:24:33pm

re: #429 I Need A Bigger Gun

Which line is that? The "Surely" line? or the "we're all counting on you" line?

441 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:24:40pm

re: #428 BigJohn

That is anecdotal. It doesn't mean the pol is correct. Savvy?

No, it wasn't anecdotal. The data I linked to several posts back were derived from several different scientifically conducted polls. Anecdotal is calling your friends and relatives to see what they think and reporting their opinions as if they were scientifically collected.

442 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:25:07pm

re: #434 Oldasdirt

You can tell a lie to a lib over and over,and they will believe it,but here you are among Conservatives,,not gonna work.

JMV thinks he is Joe Biden. He thinks he can link to a thread that confirms his view and we should just say, "Oh, OK you're right.". It probably works with his group.

443 notutopia  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:26:57pm

G'Nite all!

444 Bummer  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:27:19pm
445 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:27:20pm

re: #437 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I shouldn't get so upset, but man, I cannot take these lib losers...

Me either,defeatism is a scurge.I think I misspelled scurge,and I don't care.LOL

446 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:27:25pm

re: #431 hermeneutics
That's RCP is a good indicator of what the polls are saying but not on their accuracy. Good night, herm.

447 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:28:07pm
448 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:28:16pm

re: #436 Oldasdirt

Yes..I saw that,,and in the past 15 years,Houston has become a large city that needs an enema.

...As requested!

449 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:00pm

re: #439 notutopia

Goodness! That bad huh?

The bunch that just came and stayed from New Orleans,is no help either.

450 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:03pm

No you miss the nuance. Just My View IS Joe Biden.

451 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:11pm

Just call JMV out repeatedly on not reading the platform. Intellectually lazy, troll.

452 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:16pm

re: #422 notutopia

Did you see the release today that the Evangelist Guru in Houston, Tx, actually endorsed Obama as the second coming? I could not believe it!

These groups that claim the Second Coming always ignore Acts 1:11.

453 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:29:45pm

re: #422 notutopia

Did you see the release today that the Evangelist Guru in Houston, Tx, actually endorsed Obama as the second coming? I could not believe it!
Does O have Houston? There used to be alot of Conservatives there, but it has become so transient in population in the last 4 years!

Half the population of New Orleans, the welfare collecting scum supporting Obama, is still in Houston 3 friggin' years after hurricane Katrina and still living off our largess.

Neil Boortz is 100% correct! These welfare collecting leeches should not be allowed to vote.

454 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:30:37pm

re: #431 hermeneutics

Okay, now I'm REALLY going to sleep, but for the person upthread who claimed that the last election had polling that favored Bush, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just looked in my files.

The last ten polls of 2004, showing their bias towards dems:
Marist +3.5

GW/Battleground -1.5

TIPP +0.4

CBS News +.5

Harris +1.5

FOX News +3.5

Reuters/Zogby +1.5

CNN/USA/Gallup +2.5

NBC/WSJ +1.5

ABC/Wash Post +1.5



They were wrong, the only poll that was I trusted and continue to trust is the meta-analysis of DECIDED voters. It is done by Prof Sam Wong of Princeton University. It goes state by state and looks at decided voters to make predictions. It also does a poll among undecided and speculative undecided.

When Professor Wong looked at decided voters, the prediction was clear: President Bush 286 Sen Kerry 252 electoral college votes. The final outcome President Bush 286 Sen Kerry 252. Seems accurate to me.
I have decided based on his track record that in close elections I should trust Professor Wong rather than the predictions from popular MSM resources. By the way Professor Wong has not published anything for 2008 as yet as far as I can see.

455 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:30:56pm

re: #448 gmsc

ROFLMAO,,

456 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:31:19pm

re: #446 rancher

That's RCP is a good indicator of what the polls are saying but not on their accuracy. Good night, herm.

But the RCP data I pointed out to hermeneutics was about the past, i.e., poll results in 2004. So we do know how accurate it was. The polls indicated a small lead for President Bush all through October, and he won by about 2.5%. Seems like a pretty decent level of accuracy.

457 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:32:18pm

I wish I was in the land of cotton..............
Old times they are not forgotten, look away, look away, look away
Dixie land..........
In Dixie land where I was born in......early on a frosty mornin', look away, look away, look away, Dixie land.
Oh I wish I was in Dixie, away....away....
In Dixie land I'll take my stand......
To be in Dixie.....In Dixie, in Dixieland where I was born in...early on a frosty morn'
Look away, look away, look away Dixie land....................

458 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:32:27pm

re: #418 Ringo the Gringo

Hi everyone.

I was just looking through some of my old protest photographs when I came across this picture and wondered; do you have to be white to join this group?

No, that would be racists. Just like you can be white and join the NAACP. But they will look at you funny.

459 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:32:30pm

re: #441 JustMyView

No, it wasn't anecdotal. The data I linked to several posts back were derived from several different scientifically conducted polls. Anecdotal is calling your friends and relatives to see what they think and reporting their opinions as if they were scientifically collected.

Siting a poll because it fits your agenda is anecdotal.

460 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:32:33pm

Aneurysms, Auto-isms . Who cares I am Joe Biden and I am the smartest man on earth. Just ask me. I am Joe The Genius.

461 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:34:25pm

re: #441 JustMyView

No, it wasn't anecdotal. The data I linked to several posts back were derived from several different scientifically conducted polls. Anecdotal is calling your friends and relatives to see what they think and reporting their opinions as if they were scientifically collected.

Of course, you dolt, these are no different than the "scientists" bamboozling the world about global warming being caused by humans. You are are so damn stupid, you ignorant asshole.

462 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:35:03pm

re: #453 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Neil Boortz is 100% correct! These welfare collecting leeches should not be allowed to vote.

No.

Until someone blatantly breaks the law, do not deny their vote. Cut them off the welfare tit, yes, but just because they are doing something you don't like, is no reason to turn them away from the poll.

We have worked too hard for universal suffrage. Do not disenfranchise them just because you don't like them.

Unless you want to call yourself a Democrat.

463 Crux Australis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:35:44pm

There was a news bulletin on TV here in Sydney about Sarah Palin's wardrobe and attacking her about and in the same breath showed Obama dancing on the Ellen DeGeneres show.

The MSM's bias is a global scourge I'm sorry to say.

464 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:36:56pm

re: #238 hermeneutics

Then why were the states required to apply for readmission into the union? Why were there no trials of prominent Confederates for treason?

465 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:38:43pm

re: #453 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Half the population of New Orleans, the welfare collecting scum supporting Obama, is still in Houston 3 friggin' years after hurricane Katrina and still living off our largess.

Neil Boortz is 100% correct! These welfare collecting leeches should not be allowed to vote.


I disagree with Mr Boortz on this matter. Just because someone is sick and cannot work, has lost a job and did not find a job right away, or because a person is permanently disabled and is recieving government assistance does not mean that they should not have a right to decide on picking a person who will influence health care policy, policy regarding the disabled, labor policy. I think Mr Boortz is just wrong.

466 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:41:05pm

re: #454 shanec99

By the way Professor Wong has not published anything for 2008 as yet as far as I can see.

Actually, he has. This is a very interesting site. Thanks for linking to it.

467 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:41:05pm

re: #464 FamHistoryGuy

Then why were the states required to apply for readmission into the union? Why were there no trials of prominent Confederates for treason?

Because President Lincoln wanted malice towards none and charity to all. He did not believe that a heavy hand should be used to beat the South after it had been beaten in the war. He was unpopular among some for this position though.

468 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:41:09pm

re: #462 victor_yugo

No.

Until someone blatantly breaks the law, do not deny their vote. Cut them off the welfare tit, yes, but just because they are doing something you don't like, is no reason to turn them away from the poll.

We have worked too hard for universal suffrage. Do not disenfranchise them just because you don't like them.

Unless you want to call yourself a Democrat.

Those people from New Orleans have had more than enough time to relocate back home or get a job,,but they dont work,,they sponge.
I'm all far the right to vote,but 3 years is long enough to give back,and stop taking.If they continue to stay on wellfare,they should be made to pay a price.And that price of the vote sounds bout right to me.

469 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:43:10pm

re: #459 BigJohn

Siting a poll because it fits your agenda is anecdotal.

You might want to check on the meaning of anecdotal.

470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:44:00pm

re: #456 JustMyView

F.O.A.D.re: #462 victor_yugo

No.

Until someone blatantly breaks the law, do not deny their vote. Cut them off the welfare tit, yes, but just because they are doing something you don't like, is no reason to turn them away from the poll.

We have worked too hard for universal suffrage. Do not disenfranchise them just because you don't like them.

Unless you want to call yourself a Democrat.

Don't ever call me a democrat, douchebag. It's the democrats who want the leeches of society to vote for them, asshole.
Look up the meaning of the word sufferage, you idiot, and tell us all how it applies to those who can work but choose not to because they prefer to sit on their fat asses all day watching Jerry Springer, Judge Judy, and Oprah, you moron.

471 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:45:51pm

re: #470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you my brother?

472 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:46:00pm

re: #468 Oldasdirt

Those people from New Orleans have had more than enough time to relocate back home or get a job,,but they dont work,,they sponge.
I'm all far the right to vote,but 3 years is long enough to give back,and stop taking.If they continue to stay on wellfare,they should be made to pay a price.And that price of the vote sounds bout right to me.

The price of that vote is jury duty, the only conscripted civilian service. You have a say in how your government is run, and when the government needs your service, you step up. A very simple social contract.

If you want them off the welfare rolls, cut them off through the legislature. Voting is a constitutional right for law-abiding citizens, not citizens that abide by your personal demands of them.

473 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:46:21pm

re: #471 Oldasdirt

Forgot this:
/

474 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:46:58pm

re: #444 Bummer

How do you handle a hungry and angry Michelle Obama?

I'm glad you brought up this topic, because it gives me an opening to point out that this story was debunked. The New York Post printed a retraction.

475 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:50:22pm

re: #470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Don't ever call me a democrat, douchebag. It's the democrats who want the leeches of society to vote for them, asshole.

The tactics you espouse are precisely in line with the incremental social-engineering methods Democrats use.

I suggest you find Pastor Niemoeller's poem and read it.

476 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:50:55pm

re: #472 victor_yugo

The price of that vote is jury duty, the only conscripted civilian service. You have a say in how your government is run, and when the government needs your service, you step up. A very simple social contract.

If you want them off the welfare rolls, cut them off through the legislature. Voting is a constitutional right for law-abiding citizens, not citizens that abide by your personal demands of them.

Buddy,you better wake up,,these damn people are killing our country and economy.They dont deserve this highest American privilege.
I got no probs with those that are sick,or disabled.
But me buying there crack every 2 weeks needs to stop now.!

477 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:52:23pm

I propose that all voters first pass an examination by the Yale faculty, then by the LATimes. Simple. What could be more fair. If staffing is a problem, there is always the next election.

478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:52:57pm

re: #465 shanec99

I disagree with Mr Boortz on this matter. Just because someone is sick and cannot work, has lost a job and did not find a job right away, or because a person is permanently disabled and is recieving government assistance does not mean that they should not have a right to decide on picking a person who will influence health care policy, policy regarding the disabled, labor policy. I think Mr Boortz is just wrong.

I'm not talking about disabled people. I'm specifically talking about the welfare rolls.
Even the vast majority of those who have do collect welfare do not make it a way of life, they might need it for a year, maybe less, maybe more.
Okay, look...it's a stupid argument I brought up since it will never happen.

479 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #477 pat

I propose that all voters first pass an examination by the Yale faculty, then by the LATimes. Simple. What could be more fair. If staffing is a problem, there is always the next election.

Yeah! We need approved ruling by the elites!

As opposed to, um, what we have now . . .

480 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:54:25pm

Everybody knows about John McCain's years in the Hanoi Hilton, but how many know that he came within 94 seconds of being killed in an incident earlier in the war? On July 29, 1967, he was an A-4 pilot in a squadron assigned to the aircraft carrier Forrestal. That morning, he was in his aircraft doing pre-flight checks prior to the start of a bombing mission that was to take off from Forrestal, which was at Yankee Station off the Vietnam coast. A stray voltage caused the inadvertent firing of a Zuni rocket from an F-4 parked across the flight deck from McCain's plane. The rocket, fitted with a proximity and not a contact fuse, went across the flight deck and through McCain's plane, puncturing his fuel tanks and causing the WW II-vintage 1000 pound bomb attached to the underside of his plane to drop to the deck. Exhaust from the rocket ignited the 400 gallons of JP5 from the ruptured fuel tanks and caused a massive fire on the Forrestal's flight deck. McCain was able to get out of the cockpit of his plane and jump to the flight deck from the refueling tip on the nose of his plane. Some of the other pilots were not so lucky, and died strapped in their planes, whose own fuel and ammunition soon added to the conflagration. McCain was able to get through the fire and to the other side of the flight deck just seconds before the heat from the fire caused the bomb that had dropped from his plane to explode, causing the immediate death of all members of Repair 8's fire team. The total time from the Zuni's firing to the explosion of the bomb from McCain's plane: 94 seconds. Before the fire was contained, there were several other explosions of 1000 pound bombs on the flight deck. All told, 134 men died that day. I served almost 4 and a half years on the Forrestal (6/76-10/80). The last three of those years I was on the at-sea fire brigade. The lessons of that day weren't lost on me. On the aft starboard side of hangar bay one there was a large bronze plaque with the names of all 134 who died that day.

481 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:54:42pm

re: #471 Oldasdirt

Are you my brother?

LOL, I'll take that as a compliment!

482 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:54:58pm

re: #474 JustMyView

re: #444 Bummer

How do you handle a hungry and angry Michelle Obama?

I'm glad you brought up this topic, because it gives me an opening to point out that this story was debunked. The New York Post printed a retraction.

What a shame that you were bursting and almost in tears to defend Michelle Obama and it took this long to get this chance.

Let the Obamas know you've taken care of this now.

483 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:55:42pm

re: #476 Oldasdirt

Buddy,you better wake up,,these damn people are killing our country and economy.They dont deserve this highest American privilege.

And just how high will you set this arbitrary bar? Just high enough that only people you like get to vote?

I thank God above that you aren't the one I have to prove my eligibility to.

484 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:56:30pm

re: #482 Adina in Judea

What a shame that you were bursting and almost in tears to defend Michelle Obama and it took this long to get this chance.

Let the Obamas know you've taken care of this now.

No tears. But it does bother me that corrections don't always get posted here.

485 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:56:52pm

re: #481 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL, I'll take that as a compliment!

Was meant to be,,LOL

486 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:57:49pm

re: #472 victor_yugo

The price of that vote is jury duty, the only conscripted civilian service. You have a say in how your government is run, and when the government needs your service, you step up. A very simple social contract.

If you want them off the welfare rolls, cut them off through the legislature. Voting is a constitutional right for law-abiding citizens, not citizens that abide by your personal demands of them.

Hey dumbass, did you actually bother to read WHAT THE HELL I SAID?

487 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:57:59pm

re: #438 gmsc

Growing up, I remember Leslie Neilsen as a purely dramatic actor. It was a shock to see him in Airplane! the first time, as I had never thought of him as doing comedy. It's largely why he was so effective for that role.

Now, we have an entire generation of people who have no idea Leslie Nielsen was a dramatic actor.

The best thing about that movie was the fact that most of the people in it had never done any comedy. Not just Leslie Nielsen, but Robert Stack, Peter Graves, and Lloyd Bridges. Apparently, Graves had a bit of a hard time initially adjusting to the comedy thing, but Stack and Bridges (and of course Neilsen) had no such trouble.

488 Adina in Judea  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:58:10pm

re: #484 JustMyView

But it does bother me that corrections don't always get posted here.

Sounds like Little Green Footballs bothers you in general.

It must be frustrating for you to be among people who aren't leftist lemmings.

489 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:59:25pm

re: #460 pat

Aneurysm? How did you know I was in a Nirvana mood?

490 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:59:47pm

re: #464 FamHistoryGuy

I am not sure what you mean by reapplying to the Union. Since the CSA was never formally recognized the states involved never secceded see White vs Texas. Since the rebel governments in the south were disbanded the people were required to vote on new representation and leaadership this is in the The Reconstruction Act . There was no formal requirement for readdmission. "A thorough check of the volumes of federal statutes for the entire period of Reconstruction (1865-1870) and through 1872 revealed no other legislation requiring further proof of submission to the U.S. government on the part of Texas or any other of the rebel states."
Narrative by Jean Carefoot
Texas State Library and Archives Commission
April 1997

491 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:59:58pm

re: #485 Oldasdirt

Was meant to be,,LOL

I know...

492 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:00:15am

re: #483 victor_yugo

And just how high will you set this arbitrary bar? Just high enough that only people you like get to vote?

I thank God above that you aren't the one I have to prove my eligibility to.

Freeloaders are freeloaders,after 3 years of being able to work,,and not haveing a job,thats freeloading,
Name me another country that allows that.

493 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:00:40am

re: #484 JustMyView

No tears. But it does bother me that corrections don't always get posted here.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Meanwhile, you can't even correct the gap in your knowledge.

494 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:01:51am

re: #486 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Hey dumbass, did you actually bother to read WHAT THE HELL I SAID?

Yes, I did. But, AFAIK, there's nothing illegal about being on welfare for 3 years. Immoral, perhaps, unethical, perhaps, but not illegal.

Fix the welfare problems through the legislature. Don't take out your personal vendetta through voting rights, or the next thing you know someone will be returning the favor through your right to vote.

495 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:02:43am

re: #492 Oldasdirt

Freeloaders are freeloaders,after 3 years of being able to work,,and not haveing a job,thats freeloading,
Name me another country that allows that.

France?

496 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:02:59am

The newly released French video of McCain as a POW is Fox's lead story on the wed right now.

It's very moving.

497 I Need A Bigger Gun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:03:32am

re: #440 Castlebravo

Which line is that? The "Surely" line? or the "we're all counting on you" line?

Surely you can't be serious.
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

Perfect!

498 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:03:38am

re: #98 Castlebravo

MSG to CMD Group:

1. Am starting defensive measures now. have 1k sandbags and will ring my position with same.
2. Will fight off attacks for as long as ammo will allow.
3. Will resist going to the political re-education camps to the very end.

Where, oh where is the conservative base of this country? The world wonders.

dear MS3 cadet:

haven't you figured out by now, from all your training & studies that the best defense is a good offense?

now quit whining, suck it up, fix your bayonet and attack.

redc1c4,
damn FNG's.............. %-)

499 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:05:31am

re: #495 Sharmuta

France?


Cheapskate. if you are a Muslim in Britain, 17 years is considered a New Beginning.

500 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:05:47am

re: #493 Sharmuta

I've forgotten why it was that we discussed the party platform, but I can't say i feel any pressing need to read it. I've listened to various versions of the McCain and Palin stump speeches, I listened to their convention speeches, I watched the debates, I've seen many interviews with both, and have read many news articles in a variety of sources. I think I'm pretty well informed as to their plans and proposals.

501 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:06:47am

re: #495 Sharmuta

France?

Good answer,,now lets see,,what kind of problems do them French guys face,,,MMMM,,thinking..LOL

502 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:07:24am

re: #489 Sharmuta

Aneurysm? How did you know I was in a Nirvana mood?

And if you save yourself, you will make him happy.

503 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:07:32am

re: #492 Oldasdirt

Freeloaders are freeloaders,after 3 years of being able to work,,and not haveing a job,thats freeloading,
Name me another country that allows that.

Australia, New Zealand, The UK . There ya go . Three for the price of one.

I could go on but you get the drift!

504 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:08:19am

re: #487 I Need A Bigger Gun

The best thing about that movie was the fact that most of the people in it had never done any comedy. Not just Leslie Nielsen, but Robert Stack, Peter Graves, and Lloyd Bridges. Apparently, Graves had a bit of a hard time initially adjusting to the comedy thing, but Stack and Bridges (and of course Neilsen) had no such trouble.

One other fun fact about Airplane!: The man who gets into Robert Hays' cab at the beginning of the movie with the meter running, and is still seen sitting in the cab, with the meter still running, at the end, is Howard Jarvis, author of California's proposition 13. The point of the gag was to show a man who had become a symbol of fiscal responsibility as someone who was wasting money.

505 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:08:25am

re: #494 victor_yugo

You've insulted just about everyone here, other than JustMyView, who's as stupid as you are. Bring it on, idiot.
When WE, the working class, have to worry about the leeches of society taking away our rights, we're all fucked. Now go vote for Obama, asshole.

506 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:09:13am

re: #495 Sharmuta

France?

GTMA! France, Sweden, Britain, all the EUnichs.

507 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:09:48am

No one should have the right to vote for a welfare check. Seems obvious.

508 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:10:28am

Go to a fucking supermarket and vote on the price of peas. And see me in the morning.

509 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:12:24am

re: #505 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You've insulted just about everyone here, other than JustMyView, who's as stupid as you are. Bring it on, idiot.
When WE, the working class, have to worry about the leeches of society taking away our rights, we're all fucked. Now go vote for Obama, asshole.

Oh? You want to deny the vote to anyone who would vote for Obama?

That's a tactic Democrats use, against the military, against absentees, against primarily Republican areas. They tried it in 2000, gave it another go in 2004. This time around, they've moved the biggest focus of their efforts to Ohio, with Jennifer Brunner as their point-woman.

So thank you for proving my point.

510 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:12:40am

re: #503 Aussie Infidel

Australia, New Zealand, The UK . There ya go . Three for the price of one.

I could go on but you get the drift!

Ah,,but do you think it's fair?
To me to stop it,,you take away there right to vote,untill they get employed,and then they cant vote for the idiot that keeps letting them spunge off us,,we cant do it through the courts,,freeloaders have been able to vote Liberal judges into office.The cycle has to be broken sometime,,someway.

511 winston06  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:13:37am

have a great day every one

512 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:13:44am

re: #508 pat

Go to a fucking supermarket and vote on the price of peas. And see me in the morning.

Touche! No wait, that's Fwench. Perfect!

513 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:14:12am

re: #474 JustMyView

I'm glad you brought up this topic, because it gives me an opening to point out that this story was debunked. The New York Post printed a retraction.

undoubtedly another MSM lie to defend their chosen one.

after all: if it wasn't true to begin with, why did they print it?

514 winston06  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:15:26am

re: #497 I Need A Bigger Gun

LMAO

515 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:15:41am

re: #500 JustMyView

I've forgotten why it was that we discussed the party platform, but I can't say i feel any pressing need to read it. I've listened to various versions of the McCain and Palin stump speeches, I listened to their convention speeches, I watched the debates, I've seen many interviews with both, and have read many news articles in a variety of sources. I think I'm pretty well informed as to their plans and proposals.

you're "pretty well informed"?

well, there's a first time for everything, but you'll have to excuse me: i'm off to buy a lottery ticket.

516 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:16:33am

re: #513 redc1c4

undoubtedly another MSM lie to defend their chosen one.

after all: if it wasn't true to begin with, why did they print it?

Their explanation is that they were given false information. It was, after all, in a gossip column.

517 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:16:39am

re: #478 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm not talking about disabled people. I'm specifically talking about the welfare rolls.
Even the vast majority of those who have do collect welfare do not make it a way of life, they might need it for a year, maybe less, maybe more.
Okay, look...it's a stupid argument I brought up since it will never happen.

But Sir, unless I am mistaken most of the people who receive public assistance (welfare) are children who are too young to work, the elderly, those who are unemployed because they have lost thier jobs, the sick and the disabled. Please tell me who among this group you would like to prevent from voting.

518 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:16:57am

Okay, need to indulge some geekiness before bed.

L8r all.

519 SurferDoc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:17:04am

G'Nite, All. It's been a fun read.

/Stay frosty

520 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:17:15am

re: #509 victor_yugo

Oh? You want to deny the vote to anyone who would vote for Obama?

That's a tactic Democrats use, against the military, against absentees, against primarily Republican areas. They tried it in 2000, gave it another go in 2004. This time around, they've moved the biggest focus of their efforts to Ohio, with Jennifer Brunner as their point-woman.

So thank you for proving my point.

You friggin' idiot. Are you that dense? Obviously you are. Tell me moron, exactly where the hell did I say you losers, I mean people, who want to vote for Nobama should not be allowed to?

521 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:17:20am

This is bizarre: BarackBook

It's sort of like a one-man social networking site.

522 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:19:35am

re: #521 gmsc

This is bizarre: BarackBook

It's sort of like a one-man social networking site.

That is EXCELLENT!

523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:19:57am

re: #517 shanec99

But Sir, unless I am mistaken most of the people who receive public assistance (welfare) are children who are too young to work, the elderly, those who are unemployed because they have lost thier jobs, the sick and the disabled. Please tell me who among this group you would like to prevent from voting.

Liberals, dammit! There, I said it! They're destroying our great country!

524 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:20:50am

re: #521 gmsc

It's sort of like a one-man social networking site.

It's part of the "All Obama All the Time" blanketing of the country with his image.

Saddam Hussein did this, too.

Some other notorious historical figures in the early 20th century did this, too.

525 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:21:57am

re: #516 JustMyView

Their explanation is that they were given false information. It was, after all, in a gossip column.

and they didn't check it before printing, which is Journalism 101?

i call bullshit, but then again, that's your default setting.

526 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:22:04am

re: #524 Adina in Judea

Isn't Hugo Chavez doing this with Venezuela right now?

527 I Need A Bigger Gun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:22:26am

There are a couple of people here that don't mind, but personally I do mind having my well-informed, well-thought-out vote cancelled out by some guy who gets shuttle-bussed to the polling place and promised a six-pack of beer and a carton of cigarettes to vote for the other guy.

528 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:23:05am

An old friend of mine (a Democrat) called me up tonight and said that the whole internet has become flooded with photos of Obama.

He doesn't intend to vote for Obama himself.

He's already sick to death of Lord Barry.

529 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:23:06am

re: #523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Liberals, dammit! There, I said it! They're destroying our great country!

Freeloading liberals,,
Tough crowd tonight Ozark...LOL

530 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:23:41am

re: #524 Adina in Judea

It's part of the "All Obama All the Time" blanketing of the country with his image.

Saddam Hussein did this, too.

Some other notorious historical figures in the early 20th century did this, too.

It's an Obama critique site, run by the GOP.

531 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:23:49am

re: #521 gmsc

This is bizarre: BarackBook

It's sort of like a one-man social networking site.

This is a site put together by the RNC. See the links on the left side of the page.

532 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:24:12am

re: #523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Liberals, dammit! There, I said it! They're destroying our great country!

I should have said attempting to destroy it. Some of us are going to fight them tooth and nail.
Myself, I fight to win. Not tie. Not negotiate. Not shake hands and agree to disagree.

533 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:25:10am

re: #526 Fenway_Nation

re: #524 Adina in Judea

Isn't Hugo Chavez doing this with Venezuela right now?

Yes, I think he is.

Flooding a country with ones image is a rather creepy but familiar pastime.

534 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:25:22am

This has always scared me. In 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) said about the fall of The Athenian Republic:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

535 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:25:46am

re: #523 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Liberals, dammit! There, I said it! They're destroying our great country!


Liberals amuse me (like the fat old women out west who go topless; code pink I think), I don't mind them getting elected occasionally when there are no important national issues, their power just serves to remind the country how silly they are.

But in a time of national peril the thought of a Liberal in power is a cause for deep upset.

536 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:26:08am

re: #531 JustMyView

This is a site put together by the RNC. See the links on the left side of the page.

Yes,,and unlike the DNC,the RNC tells the truth.

537 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:26:28am

re: #522 TheMatrix31

That is EXCELLENT!

It made me laugh.

re: #524 Adina in Judea

It's part of the "All Obama All the Time" blanketing of the country with his image.

Saddam Hussein did this, too.

Some other notorious historical figures in the early 20th century did this, too.

So, all the Husseins are doing it?
;)

Seeing as he identifies ACORN and William Ayers as friends, and the fact that the GOP.com logo is in the upper right corner, I'm guessing this is meant to be facetious.

538 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:28:25am

re: #510 Oldasdirt

Ah,,but do you think it's fair?
To me to stop it,,you take away there right to vote,untill they get employed,and then they cant vote for the idiot that keeps letting them spunge off us,,we cant do it through the courts,,freeloaders have been able to vote Liberal judges into office.The cycle has to be broken sometime,,someway.

Of course I don't think it's fair. Guys ensure that they find a good surf beach well away from productive employment and set themselves up on lifestyle welfare. The ladies get themselves serially pregnant , usually on the outskirts of large cities. Get 2 or three of their girlfriends to move in with their hoard of brats, share expenses and live the good life.

Neither left not right politically have had the guts to stamp out this amoral nonsense.

539 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:29:10am

re: #537 gmsc

Seeing as he identifies ACORN and William Ayers as friends, and the fact that the GOP.com logo is in the upper right corner, I'm guessing this is meant to be facetious.

After seeing that the Bill Ayers photo is the one with him standing on the American flag - yeah, I would say this isn't one of Lord Barry's sites.

540 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:30:30am

re: #534 rancher

This has always scared me. In 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) said about the fall of The Athenian Republic:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

damn good thing we're a Republic......

(or at least we used to be. %-)

541 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:32:18am

re: #531 JustMyView

This is a site put together by the RNC. See the links on the left side of the page.

The site is put together by the RNC? WOW! Are you that damn stupid, you MORON?
Do you even realize where you are, dummy?
What in God's, I mean Gaia's, since you're a lib, name do you expect to find here, you clueless buffoon? Here's a thought....GET A FRIGGIN' CLUE, YOU IDIOT!

542 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:32:46am

By the way Old as Dirt.

In Australia and New Zealand

Registration to vote is COMPULSORY

In Australia it is also COMPULSORY to vote.

A $50 fine for anyone who does not cast a ballot of some sort!

543 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:34:02am

re: #540 redc1c4

damn good thing we're a Republic......

(or at least we used to be. %-)

Will that be enough to stop the slide?

544 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:34:09am

re: #541 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The site is put together by the RNC? WOW! Are you that damn stupid, you MORON?
Do you even realize where you are, dummy?
What in God's, I mean Gaia's, since you're a lib, name do you expect to find here, you clueless buffoon? Here's a thought....GET A FRIGGIN' CLUE, YOU IDIOT!

Well, everything links to the GOP site. I figure its from the party, too. But as said above, at least the RNC tells the truth.

545 iceman[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:34:16am
546 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:34:52am

re: #542 Aussie Infidel

By the way Old as Dirt.

In Australia and New Zealand

Registration to vote is COMPULSORY

In Australia it is also COMPULSORY to vote.

A $50 fine for anyone who does not cast a ballot of some sort!

I'd rather have the people who truly want to vote actually go out and vote.

Having the idiots who don't know anything go out and vote is a disaster.

547 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:36:12am

re: #540 redc1c4

damn good thing we're a Republic......

(or at least we used to be. %-)

The Swiss use the canton system and direct binding citizens referendums . I'm not all that keen about Republics given their past histories!

548 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:38:12am

re: #544 TheMatrix31

Well, everything links to the GOP site. I figure its from the party, too. But as said above, at least the RNC tells the truth.

whois comes back to a company in El Segundo, CA........ lizard involvment?

549 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:38:17am

re: #542 Aussie Infidel

By the way Old as Dirt.

In Australia and New Zealand

Registration to vote is COMPULSORY

In Australia it is also COMPULSORY to vote.

A $50 fine for anyone who does not cast a ballot of some sort!

Really here should be that way as well.We do need to make all voters show ID.A valid one,that would stop alot of the freeloaders from voteing.HELL,there even too lazy to go get a valid ID.

550 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:39:39am

re: #531 JustMyView

I mean, that would be like me going to Kos or Huffpo and expecting to read anything "intelligent", like how Obambi's going to save the world from democracy. You're obviously delusional. And lost.

551 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:41:25am

re: #548 redc1c4

whois comes back to a company in El Segundo, CA........ lizard involvment?

It's not me! I'm not creative enough.

552 RTLM[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:42:36am
553 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:43:21am

I'm outta herere: #545 iceman

[Link: docs.justia.com...]

can someone explain this?

I cannot. The guy's a goofball troofer.

554 redmirabai  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:43:41am

re: #36 pat
I was working my way through SUNY Stonybrook, with no money to spare, and yet i managed to keep pay my tickets. But then, I don't have the DNC war chest available to cover these little inconveniences.
Maybe I should have gone to law school.

555 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:45:40am

re: #546 TheMatrix31

I'd rather have the people who truly want to vote actually go out and vote.

Having the idiots who don't know anything go out and vote is a disaster.

Ahhh but we always get a truly accurate representation of the whole nation's views.

Oz also has proportional representation where you get to choose who you support. You rate them from first to last in order. If you are liberal you start with the degree of leftism that suits you then add the hard left and right down the other end you place the Redneck party or whatever.

If you vote right you do the opposite.

When some local candidate doesn't get past the 50% point then second preferences are counted from the wasted votes. Then the third preferences and so on. That way if you don't get your first choice your vote is not wasted and is recycled until one candidate gets over 50%.

No wasted votes. Some folks get a compromise candidate but mostly everyone is happy. If you don't want to indulge in democracy one can vote for oneself as a write in vote. Or for Mickey Mouse if he rings your bell. There is no voter fraud because everyone's vote is checked off the rolls so no double voting in different states or block voting because EVERYONE has to turn up at the polls!

556 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:47:01am

re: #555 Aussie Infidel

Ahhh but we always get a truly accurate representation of the whole nation's views.

Oz also has proportional representation where you get to choose who you support. You rate them from first to last in order. If you are liberal you start with the degree of leftism that suits you then add the hard left and right down the other end you place the Redneck party or whatever.

If you vote right you do the opposite.

When some local candidate doesn't get past the 50% point then second preferences are counted from the wasted votes. Then the third preferences and so on. That way if you don't get your first choice your vote is not wasted and is recycled until one candidate gets over 50%.

No wasted votes. Some folks get a compromise candidate but mostly everyone is happy. If you don't want to indulge in democracy one can vote for oneself as a write in vote. Or for Mickey Mouse if he rings your bell. There is no voter fraud because everyone's vote is checked off the rolls so no double voting in different states or block voting because EVERYONE has to turn up at the polls!

They should implement some of that stuff here.

557 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:49:58am

re: #500 JustMyView

You are intellectually lazy.

558 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:50:21am

re: #502 TheMatrix31

{Matrix}

559 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:51:15am

re: #132 Dream

To the LDS lizards out there in California...you're being targeted...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Just throwing that out there...

259 votes/ 88% for the "I'm Sarah Palin and I don't approve this message" answer. ROFL!

560 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:53:07am
561 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:54:13am

re: #560 empills

I got the gorn. Besides- the answer is yes.

562 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:55:32am

re: #552 RTLM

Re: Obama's recent, "Who is his Father" question. Nude pictures of Barack Obama's mother have surfaced.
(link snipped)
i wouldn't go there if i was you....

563 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:56:02am

re: #545 iceman

[Link: docs.justia.com...]

can someone explain this?

If you want the full narrative, go to obamacrimes.com. There is little, if anything, that is substantive in this case.

It is fun to watch it develop as it goes along, however, so check it out!

564 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:56:24am

re: #560 empills

A quiz for all : Should You Be Allowed to Vote?

Link isn't working for me....

565 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:56:48am

Nite lizards.

566 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:57:01am

re: #560 empills

A quiz for all : Should You Be Allowed to Vote?

re: #564 TheMatrix31

Link isn't working for me....

I figured that was the answer to the question.

567 michaelasher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:58:32am

I am not a conspiracy theorist but something is very wrong in Hawaii.

568 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:58:55am
569 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 12:59:20am

Matrix- here's one for JMV. ;)

You know you're right.

570 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:01:24am

I'm outta here....Later Oldasdirt, Aussie, Red, Ice, RTLM, Rancher, Matrix, and gsmc, and anyone I might have missed.

JustMyView...Wow. Since the World Series started yesterday, call your local sporting goods store and see if they're having a sale on Clue Bats.

Oh, and a free taco, for all Americans, at Taco Bell, on Oct. 28th, from 2-6pm. Tell'em to put it on my tab!

571 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:02:48am

re: #556 TheMatrix31

They should implement some of that stuff here.

There used to be only two nations that insisted on compulsory voting.

Australia and the Soviet Union!
.... for very different reasons! .......

Now there is only Australia as the Russian's now get to choose whether to turn out.

In New Zealand the state of democracy is very shaky.
No House of Review! (The Upper House (Senate)) was abolished in 1951.
No Written Constitution (we have a unwritten constitution of common law the same as the UK)
Activist Judges appointed by the Law Commission and government of the day, with NO SUNSET CLAUSE on their terms
A highly partisan Public Service
A extremely partisan press
Rule by Regulation at the Cabinet's behest when Parliament is not sitting
Retrospective Legislation occasionally that makes legal acts illegal retrospectively and prone to legal censure.
Institutionalized racism in the form of special benefits and favors to groups based on their race.
Race based political parties

We are currently 'ruled' and i use that term advisedly! By a hard core neo-Marxist lesbian Prime Minister who is a leading member of Socialist International.
Ditto for the Speaker of the House.
Ditto (but not lesbian) for the Chief Justice
Ditto for the immediate past Governor General

(all girls together with the Symonds Street Branch of the NZ Labour Party of the 1960s. ) Now managing the levers of power.

After 9 years of socialist rule we have a shot at electing some centre right politicians (socialist conservatives). Left on social issues and right on the economy

In NZ it has come down to the choice of having a
Conservative Socialist government ... or
Socialist Conservative government!

Usually in a multi party coalition of small splinter parties with one of the two major parties Labour or National

572 RTLM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:02:55am

re: #562 redc1c4

Just putting out the available google. Not attesting to their veracity.

But in my non-photoshop-skilled eye. They look real. If its BS, let her say so.

Or we can high-road etiquette ourselves out of this election.

573 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:03:50am

re: #569 Sharmuta

Matrix- here's one for JMV. ;)

You know you're right.

LOL. Fits perfectly for him.

Too bad it should be "You know WE'RE right"

574 quickredfox  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:03:50am

re: #528 Adina in Judea

An old friend of mine (a Democrat) called me up tonight and said that the whole internet has become flooded with photos of Obama.

Did he say how many had halos?

575 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:04:11am

re: #570 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Oh, and a free taco, for all Americans, at Taco Bell, on Oct. 28th, from 2-6pm. Tell'em to put it on my tab!

Damn....can't thank Jacoby Elsbury this time around :(

576 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:04:17am

As John McCain said recently, for a guy who has already written two autobiographies about himself, Barack Obama isn't exactly an open book.

Instead of medical records, he produced a note from a doctor.

The press demands medical records from everyone else, but I guess Lord Barry gets to say "I'm ok - see, my doctor gave me a note."

The MSM lets him get away with stuff like that.

577 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:06:27am

re: #573 TheMatrix31

Then there are the day I wonder if Kurt wrote this for me.

578 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:08:59am

re: #577 Sharmuta

Then there are the day I wonder if Kurt wrote this for me.

Good song. I've never been a CRAZY Nirvana fan though. Always liked Pearl Jam more.

579 I Need A Bigger Gun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:10:42am

A prediction (and I hope I don't have to find out if it's really going to come true): if little O wins on November 4th, the stock market drops a minimum of 1000 points on the 5th. Wall street knows what kind of mess his economic plans are. And one other unrelated thing: what is all this nonsense about how good-looking little O is? Are you kidding me? With those ears, his head looks like a '68 Volkswagon Beetle with its doors open. Just sayin'...

580 Sylvester_T_Cat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:10:45am

re: #570 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


Oh, and a free taco, for all Americans, at Taco Bell, on Oct. 28th, from 2-6pm. Tell'em to put it on my tab!

An earlier poster mentioned this but with one extra detail, something about an IF to the deal, like if there is a base stolen during the sixth inning of the World Series game.

/not sure what the deal really is, sorry ;-)

581 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:11:39am

re: #573 TheMatrix31

LOL. Fits perfectly for him.

Too bad it should be "You know WE'RE right"

That defeats the purpose of the song. "You know you're right" meaning that you're so assured you know you're correct that you don't need to look at any other viewpoint, listen to any other opinion and can disregard te facts because you know you're right.

Pearl Jam? Eh.

582 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:13:00am

G'nite all.

Off to read my book and watch the late news!


Later
:)

583 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:14:11am

Matrix- also, some of there best stuff was "unreleased" such as this song, one of my faves.

584 rightwinger3  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:16:39am

re: #583 Sharmuta

Matrix- also, some of there best stuff was "unreleased" such as this song, one of my faves.

Sharm, listen to Maiden instead...ALL of their best stuff was RELEASED!

585 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:17:07am

re: #572 RTLM

Just putting out the available google. Not attesting to their veracity.

But in my non-photoshop-skilled eye. They look real. If its BS, let her say so.

Or we can high-road etiquette ourselves out of this election.

and all i'm saying is that the Lizard king is not likely to approve..... look way up thread.

(it's your account..... %-)

586 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:17:31am

re: #581 Sharmuta

That defeats the purpose of the song. "You know you're right" meaning that you're so assured you know you're correct that you don't need to look at any other viewpoint, listen to any other opinion and can disregard te facts because you know you're right.

Pearl Jam? Eh.

Well, yeah. It could go both ways though. If you look just at the title, "You Know We're Right" would work better.

Pearl Jam, definitely. "Ten" is one of my favorite albums of all-time.

And about the Taco Bell thing. I don't see why the general public gets so excited about the idea of a free taco. It's like 50 cents otherwise. What do you do, go to Taco Bell and say "Shit, well, I wanted a taco, but damn, 50 cents is pretty expensive."?

587 JustMyView  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:19:18am

re: #572 RTLM

Just putting out the available google. Not attesting to their veracity.

But in my non-photoshop-skilled eye. They look real. If its BS, let her say so.

Or we can high-road etiquette ourselves out of this election.

She died in 1995, so she can't very well defend herself.

588 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:22:48am

re: #584 rightwinger3

But how can't you love songs that only have 15 words?

589 RTLM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:23:05am

re: #587 JustMyView

She died in 1995, so she can't very well defend herself.

My bad on the death ignorance. I guess Obama will have to defend her then.

590 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:26:34am

re: #587 JustMyView

She died in 1995, so she can't very well defend herself.

then i guess this will have to stand as the truth, eh?

L3 logic @ w*rk. %-)

591 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:27:08am

So, phony birth certificates and Obama's mama's mams. What a night.

592 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:29:37am

re: #591 rancher

So, phony birth certificates and Obama's mama's mams. What a night.

And Nirvana!

593 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:31:43am

re: #579 I Need A Bigger Gun

... if little O wins on November 4th, the stock market drops a minimum of 1000 points on the 5th. Wall street knows what kind of mess his economic plans are.


I think that's been factored in already.

594 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:32:27am

re: #592 Sharmuta

I'm at work, your links are blocked. :(

595 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:33:22am

Nirvana for the drunkie in you.

596 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:34:44am

My son looked into the birth certificate and he's sold. That and the photos mean nothing however, except from an historical perspective.

597 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:37:12am

And for 32,000 I'm playing more Nirvana.

598 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:37:30am

re: #594 rancher

I'm at work, your links are blocked. :(

That's a damn pity.

599 RTLM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:48:13am

Air Force creates new pilot programs for drones

EGGselent idea! Finally.

The USAF drone pilots - up til now - are and have been experienced fighter pilots that have been relegated to the Drone Squadrons through budget cuts/base closings/aircraft relocation. That is a hellava demotion for a fit fighter pilot and NOT what they want.

Now (I hope) they will provide the opportunity for senior enlisted & CWO staff to move UP to the drone pilot ranks instead of demoting fighter pilots down to them. Career moral is a huge factor in retaining critical people.

The Army has done a very good job in this respect.

600 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:50:32am

re: #467 shanec99

Took me a while to read this far. If they had never left the union then why did they have to apply to be re-admitted? The case against Davis was presented to several jurists who all turned it down.

Wirtz was the only one tried and that was for his conduct at Andersonville. And his trial was most likely illegal due to jurisdictional issues. The conditions at Andersonville became largely out of his control as the war went on, especially after the north refused to exchange prisoners. I am not a lawyer so I could be wrong on the jurisdiction issue.

601 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:51:42am

re: #600 FamHistoryGuy read further

602 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 1:53:09am

re: #453 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Some of them were surprised at the availability of jobs and housing and decided NO was not the kind of hole they wanted to live in.

603 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:01:05am

so, any votes before i does up tonight's fruitcup, or will y'all take the barteneder's choice option?

604 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:01:53am

fruitcup! come and get it!

605 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:03:13am

somebody wake up LoL........ i can't stay up all night.

(well, actually, i can, it's just that i'll get my butt kicked for doing so. %-)

606 armaros  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:03:43am

O.J + foreigners donated to Obama

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

607 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:03:46am

re: #604 redc1c4
This was what I was waiting on. Makes work go by quicker.

608 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:03:59am

re: #598 Sharmuta

Moved to the business centers computer, everything goes here. Obama's mom ain't half bad. Damn, no speakers. Guess Nirvana will have to wait.

609 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:04:03am

Uh-oh. I hope lol is alright.

610 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:05:14am

WHOOPS!

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

611 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:06:04am

re: #610 littleoldlady

Good morning, Lizards!

{lol}

612 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:06:15am

re: #609 Sharmuta

Uh-oh. I hope lol is alright.

undoubtedly: forces of nature are hard to mess with. %-)

613 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:06:59am

So sorry! I'm working on not one, but TWO sick projects, while trying to doll up a very dusty old resume.

614 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:07:02am

re: #19 wolfie

Well, here's a question. BHO has bought 30 minutes before game 6 of the WS, right? What happens if there is no game 6? Should we be rooting for a sweep?

wolfie -

Yes, absolutely - OR - even better - 5 GAMES! Go Rays! Go Phillies!

-S-

615 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:07:24am

re: #610 littleoldlady

WHOOPS!

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

/fires a protective smoke mission

no one saw anything..... %-)

616 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:07:52am

re: #615 redc1c4

I saw that. Thanks! :-)

617 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:08:34am

re: #613 littleoldlady

So sorry! I'm working on not one, but TWO sick projects, while trying to doll up a very dusty old resume.

can we see the pics of you all dolled up?

/white smoke

618 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:08:48am

re: #610 littleoldlady
2 people with fruitcups. I just don't know what to do.

619 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:08:49am

re: #614 Dr. Shalit

Let's cut to the chase...

Go Phillies!

620 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:09:23am

re: #619 littleoldlady

I second that

621 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:09:40am

re: #490 empills

That was not what I was taught in school. The Yankee occupation left long lasting scars. It has only been recently the last of the punative rail tarrifs was removed.

622 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:09:43am

re: #617 redc1c4

can we see the pics of you all dolled up?

/white smoke

There's no dolling me up. :-( My resume might fool people though...

623 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:09:48am

re: #618 empills

2 people with fruitcups. I just don't know what to do.

The red fruitcup makes you happy. The other one tastes delicious.

624 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:10:23am

re: #616 littleoldlady

I saw that. Thanks! :-)

no problemo, it's all part of the free service........ %-)

625 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:10:34am

I'm pulling for the Phillies because it will make two Phillies fans I know happy.

626 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #619 littleoldlady

World Series Games just weren't meant to be played in Domes.

627 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:11:31am

empills! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

rightside! :-)

{[{LGF!}]}

628 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:13:42am

re: #623 Sharmuta

The red fruitcup makes you happy. The other one tastes delicious.

hey now.... i'm a *damn* good cook: my fruitcup tastes delicious too, it's just that it keeps on giving past your taste buds. %-)

if only LoL would agree to a merger.......

629 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:13:50am

re: #623 Sharmuta

The red fruitcup makes you happy. The other one tastes delicious.

And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.

630 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:13:52am

Lima Golf Foxtrot, this is Romeo, nothing heard, out.

631 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:14:42am

re: #626 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

HA. Wait until they get here and have to play in the cold.

632 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:18:46am

Okay, that's all the fun I'm entitled to. Deadlines loom. :-( :-( :-(

/driveby fruiting

Good day, ALL!™

633 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:21:06am

re: #625 Sharmuta

I'm pulling for the Phillies because it will make two Phillies fans I know happy.

i was thinking it was a good excuse to go to the local Philly place and eat a sandwich and drink a pitcher or two.... South Street

yeah, it ain't Genos, but then again, it was 90* or so again here today.

634 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:21:46am

re: #621 FamHistoryGuy
The Civil War is taught differently depending where one went to school. My grandfather was a Civil War buff and did alot of research into it. Both sides have different version of events.

635 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:24:10am

re: #630 rightside

Lima Golf Foxtrot, this is Romeo, nothing heard, out.

is that anything like "Lima Lima Mike Foxtrot"?

/my favorite military radio call was "line, this is the pits" heard on firing ranges everywhere....... %-)

636 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:25:09am

re: #610 littleoldlady

WHOOPS!

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

Good morning! I just spent 20 minutes educating someone on Ayers/Obama and the Zombie link.

Words from her end of the IM convo included "Jeez" and "Wow".

637 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:27:18am

re: #631 littleoldlady

Well...they pretty much kicked our teeth in for two...almost three....games in Boston (someone forgot to tell them they needed to get 7 more outs before they could host the world series). I'm not sure what the exact temps were those nights, but it was probably alot colder than Tampa....dome or no dome.

638 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:28:21am

re: #636 TheMatrix31

Good morning! I just spent 20 minutes educating someone on Ayers/Obama and the Zombie link.

Words from her end of the IM convo included "Jeez" and "Wow".

1 down, 25 million to go..... why are you here? get busy grasshopper!

/white smoke

639 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:31:28am

re: #638 redc1c4

1 down, 25 million to go..... why are you here? get busy grasshopper!

/white smoke

No one else is awake, haha. I don't think she's one to vote, but maybe she'll tell people in her own right.

640 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:34:06am

re: #636 TheMatrix31

Was this someone who was previously 0bamably-inclined or was this person actually able to think independently?

641 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:37:54am
642 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:40:18am

re: #640 Fenway_Nation

Was this someone who was previously 0bamably-inclined or was this person actually able to think independently?

She was probably Obama-inclined, despite being one who generally doesn't give a damn about politics.

Hopefully she's still not Obama-inclined.

643 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:43:27am

re: #636 TheMatrix31

I think as we get closer to the election people pay more attention and are open to discussion. I think I've turned my slightly liberal son, the ex Army kid is more conservative than me but will vote for McCain. Wife's a lost cause because she doesn't want to hear any arguments. I explained to a co-worker the ACORN and Dem culpability for the current financial crises and Obama's ties, I think I turned her. Keep fighting till the final bell.

Commander Peter Quincy Taggart: Never give up, never surrender.

644 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:46:48am

Morning lizards.
May be an intersting day on Wall Street. Asia markets down 2-4%. Seoul down over 7%.
Where are people puttingt heir cash- under their mattresses?

645 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:48:06am

re: #644 Jim in Virginia
Reaction to our markets. That money is sitting on the sidelines waiting for the election.

646 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:48:57am

I remember someone asking me during Reagan's funeral 'What's so bad about Communism?'. I forgot if he was being just incredibly naiive or it was a piss-poor attempt to be contrarian and in-your-face, but I pretty much gave it to him with both barrels, starting with the gulags and Stalin's purges, continuing onto Mao's 'Long March', meandering to the one million dead Cambodians courtesey of Pol Pot before finishing up with more contemporary examples along the lines of Castro and Kim Il Jong.

647 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:50:12am

You know whats scary? I've been looking at some people's Facebook pages.

There's a place where you can put your political views.

Some people's just say OBAMA, not Republican, not Democrat.

Just. OBAMA.

What a cult.

648 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:52:42am

re: #644 Jim in Virginia

Morning lizards.
May be an intersting day on Wall Street. Asia markets down 2-4%. Seoul down over 7%.
Where are people puttingt heir cash- under their mattresses?

Wouldn't you?

Actually, my 'portfolio' consists of some silver and gold bullion and some U.S. Savings Bonds. I'm very interested in a couple of stocks, but that will have to wait until I climb a little further out of debt.

649 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:53:18am

re: #646 Fenway_Nation
Don't give Lenin a pass. He executed the Ukrainian terror famine. Stalin just carried on his legacy more enthusiastically.

650 rightwinger3  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:54:07am

re: #646 Fenway_Nation

I remember someone asking me during Reagan's funeral 'What's so bad about Communism?'. I forgot if he was being just incredibly naiive or it was a piss-poor attempt to be contrarian and in-your-face, but I pretty much gave it to him with both barrels, starting with the gulags and Stalin's purges, continuing onto Mao's 'Long March', meandering to the one million dead Cambodians courtesey of Pol Pot before finishing up with more contemporary examples along the lines of Castro and Kim Il Jong.

Not to mention the economic and political part...

651 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 2:57:42am

re: #646 Fenway_Nation

I remember someone asking me during Reagan's funeral 'What's so bad about Communism?'. I forgot if he was being just incredibly naiive or it was a piss-poor attempt to be contrarian and in-your-face, but I pretty much gave it to him with both barrels, starting with the gulags and Stalin's purges, continuing onto Mao's 'Long March', meandering to the one million dead Cambodians courtesey of Pol Pot before finishing up with more contemporary examples along the lines of Castro and Kim Il Jong.

Did that work?

652 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:02:12am

re: #649 Jim in Virginia

I didn't forget the Ukrainians, but I think I attributed most of their suffering to Stalin.

re: #650 rightwinger3

I omitted that just because he seemed like the person who'd have no problem with the political or economic aspect of Communism. However, freezing or starving to death in the hold of a cargo ship en-route to being shipped off to a gulag probably would've taken some of the luster off the Red Star in his mind's eye.

653 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:06:05am

re: #652 Fenway_Nation

I didn't forget the Ukrainians, but I think I attributed most of their suffering to Stalin.

re: #650 rightwinger3

I omitted that just because he seemed like the person who'd have no problem with the political or economic aspect of Communism. However, freezing or starving to death in the hold of a cargo ship en-route to being shipped off to a gulag probably would've taken some of the luster off the Red Star in his mind's eye.

Ukraine is game to you?!

654 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:08:44am

re: #651 Sharmuta

There's no way in hell I could've 'converted' him or anything like that, so the next best outcome would've been embarassing him or shaming him in front of others by putting his ignorance-as-in-your-face-contrarianism on display for others to see. I was angry, but in my anger, I was even able to remeber the names of some Siberian towns that existed only because they were administrative centers to the various Gulags.

655 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:11:09am

re: #653 TheMatrix31
I have not decided whether a communist dictatorship (gulags, religious persecution, torture etc...) or Sharia totalitarianism (Taliban, burqas, cut your hands off etc) is worse.

Can anyone help me?

656 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:13:20am

re: #654 Fenway_Nation

So- this person thinks stealing is moral? Because that's what communism is. Stealing from those who produce to give it to those who don't.

657 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:17:23am

re: #655 shanec99

I find them both equally reprehensible.

658 rightwinger3  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:23am

re: #652 Fenway_Nation

I didn't forget the Ukrainians, but I think I attributed most of their suffering to Stalin.

re: #650 rightwinger3

I omitted that just because he seemed like the person who'd have no problem with the political or economic aspect of Communism. However, freezing or starving to death in the hold of a cargo ship en-route to being shipped off to a gulag probably would've taken some of the luster off the Red Star in his mind's eye.

I wish I could say leave them to their fate but shit like that affects more than just that idiot you were schoolin'.

659 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:46am

re: #656 Sharmuta

Think of this person as a younger, fatter, more petualnt John Stewart with acne. No way was I ever going to get this person to understand my line of thinking, but the more people who saw firsthand his stammering, ineffectual bullshit once that in-your-face veneer was gone, the less seriously they took him from there on out.

660 victor_yugo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:19:38am

re: #649 Jim in Virginia

No, that was Stalin.

661 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:21:28am

Good morning, Lizards.

662 Luigi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:22:07am

Very important analysis by Newt Gingrich on Greta van Sustren last night in which he compares the MSM attack in Palin to Pravda and the Polish communist press campaign against freedom fighter Lech Walesa

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

I've been thinking about having one of my researchers look at every single elite media interview of Governor Palin to see if any of them asked her how she gave $1300 a person back to Alaskans as a tax break, how she negotiated and got so much money out of Big Oil, how she worked out the deal for the natural gas pipeline, or anything of substance about how she shaped an $11 billion budget involving 29,000 employees of the state government.

I don't believe by the best of my knowledge that there has been a single question by an elite television journalist about her actual career in Alaska.

And, I think it is the most insulting. I can't say this too strongly. This is like watching Pravda.

This is a one-sided vicious unending dishonest campaign.

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:11am
Austin Powers: Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay. I mean, women loved him! I didn't see that one coming.

/

664 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:49am

re: #657 Sharmuta

Yes, but our opinion makers on the left frequently seem eneamored with them. I cannot determine which leftist is more dangerous, the leftist who apologizes or advocates Sharia principles or the one who suggests that collectivism under communism is not all that bad.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:58am

Howdy Goddess! You look lovely this morning.

666 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:07am

Good morning, goddess.

667 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #662 Luigi

Very important analysis by Newt Gingrich on Greta van Sustren last night in which he compares the MSM attack in Palin to Pravda and the Polish communist press campaign against freedom fighter Lech Walesa

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Abso-freakin-lutely.

668 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:16am

{FBV}
{Sharmuta}

Good morning!

669 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:40am

re: #664 shanec99

Any talking head that promotes either should put their money where their mouth is and leave to enjoy the fruits of either shari'a or communism. We're not interested here, and no amount of their pitch is going to garner a "sale".

670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:05am

re: #669 Sharmuta


We're not interested here, and no amount of their pitch is going to garner a "sale".

From the movie "As Good As It Gets"

Go sell crazy someplace else; we're all stocked up here.

671 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:02am

Fenway- I think you did fine to discuss the death toll of communism. I'm just thinking of other ways by which the point can be made as to why communism and socialism are wrong.

672 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:08am

re: #662 Luigi

So it's NOT unprecedented?

They're going after her pricier wardrobe now. 'Cause...y'know. Only the 0ne Zero and his followers are allowed to have nice stuff.

673 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:23am

{goddess}

674 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:59am

re: #669 Sharmuta

Any talking head that promotes either should put their money where their mouth is and leave to enjoy the fruits of either shari'a or communism. We're not interested here, and no amount of their pitch is going to garner a "sale".

Actually they stay because according to them, thier long term goal is to transform America into a land that is more acceptable to the people of the world. Like I say, they are dangerous and they believe thier cause is noble.

675 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:53am

Good morning, Lizard Clan...

676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:28am

FBV is sick. Cough, Cough. May I be excused from work today?

677 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:48am

re: #662 Luigi

Very important analysis by Newt Gingrich on Greta van Sustren last night in which he compares the MSM attack in Palin to Pravda and the Polish communist press campaign against freedom fighter Lech Walesa

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Excellent...

678 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:00am

re: #673 rightside

{goddess}

{rightside}

679 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:21am

Good Morning LGF.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News and Pew Research Center polls out yesterday both put Obamaahead by double digits, but an Associated Press-GfK poll shows Obama with 44 percent support and McCain with 43 percent backing among likely voters. Obama's lead was five percentage points among registered voters in that poll.

The AP poll of 800 likely voters had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Experts said the unusually tight likely voter outcome was the result of a restrictive approach for defining likely voters that probably excluded many Obama supporters.

WTF?

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:25am
681 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:07am

re: #674 shanec99

Actually they stay because according to them, thier long term goal is to transform America into a land that is more acceptable to the people of the world. Like I say, they are dangerous and they believe thier cause is noble.

I agree, which is why the argument must be made as to why their thinking is wrong. Wrong beyond death tolls- morally wrong and counter to our Founders' principles and the principles of decency.

682 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:30am

re: #675 scottishbuzzsaw

Morning, Scotti!

683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:50:04am

Prairie Fire was dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan.

At one of SS's parole hearings he said, "I believe if Bobby Kennedy were alive today; he would vote for my release." Wouldn't you know it. The one guy would would support Sirhan Sirhan, and he shot him.
-Paula Poundstone

684 gregg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:20am

I've given up watching any MSM news, but unfortunately I can't escape it completely. I'm filling my car with gas and they have a TV monitor above the pump showing weather, sports, and news. So guess what's the one "hard news" story they are running? You got it - Palin's clothes.

685 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:36am

Hello? Is this thing on?

686 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:39am

re: #677 scottishbuzzsaw

Look guys we can bellyache and complain about bias in the media all we want, it simply wont change anymore than complaining about the cold in the Arctic circle will transform it into a tropical resort. Somethings we have to live with.

Our only alternative is to stop supporting them, don't buy the newspapers that are hostile to our values, don't watch the TV channels and petition our local cable companies to not carry them, and if they must then to not deliver them to us or reduce our cost.

If a sufficient number of us petition, boycott and simply don't purchase the products they sell (newspapers, glossy magazines etc), then the advertisers will take notice and revenues will begin to fall.

The next strategy is to support organizations like the various think tanks and give them the resources to expand operations which could include Internet sites, TV programs, News letters. It is time to fight back until the playing field is leveled.

CNN was established by a Liberal (Jane Fonda's ex-husband).
Revenues pay salaries and keep left wing newspapers open.

687 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:55am

Obama has one way to make this whole non-taxpayer issue go away, tell them that if you don't pay taxes, you get nothing.

I wish he would do that. It would kill his base.

688 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:55:02am

re: #682 Sharmuta

Morning, Scotti!

Good morning, {Shar}!

689 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:45am

Wow......

This guy on a message board I visit. Another one.

I posted the Zombie post. He responded with this;

-----
Give it up Matrix, the association game is going nowhere, much to the chagrin of your likeminded ilk (Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.). Seriously "my friend", are you even going to be able to live after this election? Or will you uproot your 20-something ass and move to Canada, eh? I'm sure you can become a fisherman or something...plus they recently expanded the Conservative hold on the government.
-----

I simply posted -- "Who the HELL are YOU to tell me to give up on my opinions and beliefs?"

690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:52am

Just had an idea....for changing the tax system.

If you have a household income of below (name a benchmark, like 50K) the federal/state tax system is going to completely ignore the fact that you exist. (with the exception of SSI).

We will not withhold any money from your check, you will not pay taxes, you will not have to file a return.

You will also get no refunds, no earned income tax credit, no "stimulus checks" no nothing.

Savings to the IRS, savings to the postal system, savings on bookkeeping, less stress on the system, I could go on and on.

Whatcha think?

691 empills  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:49am

re: #690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So what you're saying is I pay nothing but I get nothing in return? How is that fair?
/sarc off

692 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:36am

re: #655 shanec99

I have not decided whether a communist dictatorship (gulags, religious persecution, torture etc...) or Sharia totalitarianism (Taliban, burqas, cut your hands off etc) is worse.
Can anyone help me?

If Obama wins you may not need to worry, since America will soon receive the worst of each - historians will call it Obammunism.

693 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:31am

re: #689 TheMatrix31

Simply state, the only difference between ayers and mcveigh, is ayers beat the rap.

694 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:40am

Morning, lizards. Up way too early to finish the necessary meds before I go in for a procedure today. Such fun.

I have no clue what we're talking about, but I have to say the polls making this race closer is a good sign to me. It means the polls are realizing that they can't fake the consumer out anymore if they want to stay in business, so they're trying to be more accurate. At least, most of them are. I saw some yesterday reporting a 10 point edge to Obama, which isn't supported anywhere else. Silly liberals.

695 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:49am

re: #684 gregg

The MSM is a joke, and have abrogated any responsibility they have to the Republic.

As if they have any brains to discuss serious issues.

Quote the simpletons they are.

696 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:15am

re: #692 Spare O'Lake

If Obama wins you may not need to worry, since America will soon receive the worst of each - historians will call it Obammunism.

Yes, but I doubt in communism that you would lose a hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

697 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:03am

Hey , where's the Flat Tax guys ?

#32 ....so glad your busy fending off job offers . You know , in this Great Economy .


An old saying comes to mind ....in Recession , you lose your job , in Depression I lose my job .

698 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:24am

re: #689 TheMatrix31

Wow......

This guy on a message board I visit. Another one.

I posted the Zombie post. He responded with this;

-----
Give it up Matrix, the association game is going nowhere, much to the chagrin of your likeminded ilk (Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.). Seriously "my friend", are you even going to be able to live after this election? Or will you uproot your 20-something ass and move to Canada, eh? I'm sure you can become a fisherman or something...plus they recently expanded the Conservative hold on the government.
-----

I simply posted -- "Who the HELL are YOU to tell me to give up on my opinions and beliefs?"

He will give you the simple answer: He is a Liberal and he knows better than you do because you are narrow. He will further advise you that he doesn't believe that your ideas contribute to the collective good of the society, thus they must be discarded, with violence if necessary to promote the greater good. Get familiar with the strategies of the totalitarians, we see them every day. It is why any Obama opponent is immediately branded a racist to silence them.

Leftists have believed this and practiced it for a long time, get used to it. Ever heard about the Gulags and re-education centers in communists regimes?

699 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:42am

re: #693 rightside

Simply state, the only difference between ayers and mcveigh, is ayers beat the rap.

It's not even worth it. The guy is one of the biggest piece of shits in the history of the internet. I wish I could see him in person. 20-something-ass? How disrespectful is that?

700 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:46am

re: #669 Sharmuta

Any talking head that promotes either should put their money where their mouth is and leave to enjoy the fruits of either shari'a or communism. We're not interested here, and no amount of their pitch is going to garner a "sale".

By here you must mean LGF. Half the nation has been sold on Obamunism.

701 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:33am

re: #700 rancher

By here you must mean LGF. Half the nation has been sold on Obamunism.

I'm not quite sure it's half. Remember, the polls are pushing Obama. It is likely to be less than is being represented.

702 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:34am

re: #693 rightside

Simply state, the only difference between ayers and mcveigh, is ayers beat the rap.

And.... I am only saying this because I hope that Ayers reads our little forum here...
McVeigh was a much better terrorist than the egghead Ayers.

703 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:35am

re: #696 vxbush

Yes, but I doubt in communism that you would lose a hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

No but you could lose your head for being educated and opposing the government: See Pol Pot.

704 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:40am

Bye--have a great day!

705 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:10am

re: #694 vxbush

Morning, lizards. Up way too early to finish the necessary meds before I go in for a procedure today. Such fun.

Mornin' vxbush...doesn't sound like you're going to have a pleasant day...good luck.

706 rightwinger3  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:04am

re: #689 TheMatrix31

Wow......

This guy on a message board I visit. Another one.

I posted the Zombie post. He responded with this;

-----
Give it up Matrix, the association game is going nowhere, much to the chagrin of your likeminded ilk (Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.). Seriously "my friend", are you even going to be able to live after this election? Or will you uproot your 20-something ass and move to Canada, eh? I'm sure you can become a fisherman or something...plus they recently expanded the Conservative hold on the government.
-----

I simply posted -- "Who the HELL are YOU to tell me to give up on my opinions and beliefs?"

Keep postin' Matrix. This is one of those guys on Facebook that you will never convert. But there are those out there on that board that will read it and will vote McCain/Palin because of the radicals Obama likes to call friends.

707 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:05am

(cross posted from the zombie/Ayers thread)

Early days -- Thursday morning -- merely leaving a few stats:

As of 6AM Central time, a Google News advanced search for "Prairie Fire" returned two results (Stop the ACLU and Jawa Report) relating to zombie's post.

A (standard) Google advanced search for "Prairie Fire" plus Ayers returned 7,540 hits.

"Prairie Fire" plus Ayers plus zombie returned 1,190.

Let the wind come.

708 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:06am

re: #699 TheMatrix31

We'll see who has the last laugh.... This ain't over!

709 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:16am

re: #683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The one guy would would support Sirhan Sirhan, and he shot him.
-Paula Poundstone

The Rev. Kings family supported him.

710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:38am

re: #694 vxbush

Attention whore!

/

Good luck!

711 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:39am

re: #700 rancher

That's why the argument must be made against communism and socialism. That's why our children must be taught properly why those ideologies are morally wrong.

Take Matrix for example- his conversation is saying the associations don't matter. Fine- take 0bama at his own word. He wants to "spread the wealth around". That's morally wrong. It's stealing! Just because it's government sponsored stealing doesn't make it right. In fact- it makes it worse.

712 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:01am

re: #704 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, by the way ...

713 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:16am

re: #703 shanec99

No but you could lose your head for being educated and opposing the government: See Pol Pot.

I was thinking most folks would end up in a re-education camp, but I wasn't thinking of Pol Pot's version.

So this is harder than it appears.

714 sevoguy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:52am

I received this e-mail this morning. This is worth a read:

You ask me what I think? OK, thank you.
What do you think? Should we pull out?
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?
Body count:
In the last six months:
292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;
221 killed in Iraq .
Chicago.... Who Runs it:
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,
Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)
.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .
Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

715 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:54am

re: #705 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' vxbush...doesn't sound like you're going to have a pleasant day...good luck.

Hey, I figure once the event is over, I'm making a beeline to McDonald's and pigging out. :D

716 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:14:58am

re: #710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Attention whore!

/

Good luck!

LOL! Only when I'm feeling abused, like when doctors need to poke me.

717 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:16am

re: #706 rightwinger3

Keep postin' Matrix. This is one of those guys on Facebook that you will never convert. But there are those out there on that board that will read it and will vote McCain/Palin because of the radicals Obama likes to call friends.

Not even on Facebook. Some other message board. Lots of people from Ohio and PA seem to post on that board, so maybe it's worth a damn.

718 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:28am

re: #711 Sharmuta

Amen!
Obama is seeking to codify takings through the tax laws. Why cant educated people see that?

719 xop1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:14am

This clip gives a pretty good impression of how far gone the liberals are. White middle-class wannabe-revolutionaries/protesters try to block Palin Motorcade Oct 21/08 by screaming and generally acting like agitated morons. "Police state" - yeah, right ...
Protesters from a group called 'Democracy Direct' block Sarah Palin's motorcade in Grand Junction, Colorado.
Note that the police at no time use excessive force or language. I wonder how they do it.
PS: No prize for guessing what a protester screams after the policeman says "thank you".

720 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:32am

Morning Lizards.

I brought in my rhetorical flourishes because they were freezing, and needed water.

I didn't know Joe Biden was a gardener.

721 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:38am

re: #718 shanec99

Amen!
Obama is seeking to codify takings through the tax laws. Why cant educated people see that?

Because he's couching it in terms they don't recognize.

722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:55am

Anybody have a blinking vertical line on their screen to the right? Been having it for days on LGF. Until I click in the box to type a comment, then it disappears. Anybody?

723 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:10am

re: #701 vxbush
Good luck on your procedure. I mean half, however many are not "likely voters", thank God.

724 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:24am

re: #722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody have a blinking vertical line on their screen to the right? Been having it for days on LGF. Until I click in the box to type a comment, then it disappears. Anybody?

Yes, although in my case it's on teh left. You're using Firefox, right? Then it's the cursor. Because of the way LGF is laid out, the cursor can be the size of the screen. If you move your mouse in a comment box and click, the cursor will shrink to its normal size and look like you're about to edit the text.

Think nothing of it, grasshopper.

725 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:29am

re: #722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

not I.

726 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:30am

Ay....but more e-mail response goodness! This time from my Uncle;

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This is not mainstream or credible media. I don't give it any credence. It is soooo right wing. There are similar counter sites that are ultra left with no credibility either. These kinds of sources are looking to prey on impressionable minds as did Falwell in the early 80's on the radio -- predecessor to all these talk show people these days. I used to be almost brainwashed with all that he had to say... Needless to say, those days are gone for me. Hopefully, you'll see how these far right and far left people are out to snatch souls and use them to drive their narrow agendas, along the way robbing you of your economic future and security.

For me if Powell is not worried about Ayers, that's good enough for me. Also, polls show that people generally don't care either about the Ayers issue.

Generally, McCain is going down one cul de sac after another, Hail Mary's, gimmicks, whatever you wanna call it. Nothing is sticking and rightfully so. The last debate did it for me. I am now convinced the guy is actually a) not intelligent enough to be president and b) never grew out of being a reckless kid -- the grey hair is not wisdom, it is misleading. That's why he has no real game plan and instead what we get is Palin, Maverick, Reformer, Terrorist, Socialist, Joe the Plumber along a long string of mis-steps and bad buzzwords as weekly changing central themes of his campaign. A loose canon, particularly in these hard times, is not what the country needs. If he was for real, he would have had a real plan for the country and made that be the central theme of his campaign. I would have then happily voted for him -- and kept my taxes low. Instead, I'm voting for someone who's going to raise my taxes and give it to working families along with healthcare. You on the other hand will be voting for the guy who is out to save the rich guys money at the expense of your opportunities. But of course, I'm voting this way because the other system will collapse and without correcting it, we won't have to worry about the rich and the poor. Everyone will be poor and more importantly without opportunity.
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727 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:02am
Spread the wealth manure around.
- Obama

Fixed it.
Now shove it.

728 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:35am

re: #723 rancher

Good luck on your procedure. I mean half, however many are not "likely voters", thank God.

I have a coworker who is, I think, fairly representative of one segment of voters: he thinks both sides of American politics--Rs and Ds--are corrupt, lying, and completely worthless. He seems them as equally appalling. So it's hard for him to read the words and realize that one side is seriously going down the wrong path, because, through his filter of belief, he just sees the data as confirming what he believes about politics in general.

I've had no luck talking to him about this election.

729 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:41am

re: #724 vxbush

Yes, although in my case it's on teh left. You're using Firefox, right? Then it's the cursor. Because of the way LGF is laid out, the cursor can be the size of the screen. If you move your mouse in a comment box and click, the cursor will shrink to its normal size and look like you're about to edit the text.

Think nothing of it, grasshopper.

Right... its Big Brother watching you, and your files will be in the hands of Obama supporters if he ascends to the office of POTUS.

730 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:21:11am

Wow. I just caught Brain Williams' wraparound for the clips of the McCain-Palin interview on the Today Show. What an incredibly peevish, bitter monologue! I'd say Williams' nose was a little out of joint, but if you look at him, it's always that way, so... Anyway, from what I saw, Mac and Sarah were shining as usual, even with the egregious editing.
Taste it yet, lefties? It's defeat.

731 reags  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:13am

From FoxNews:
More Than 3,000 Academics Sign Pro-Ayers Petition
[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]
This is truly scary as these are the people entrusted with educating Americans.
One of the most disgusting statements in the article:
"It's true that Professor Ayers participated passionately in the civil rights and antiwar movements of the 1960s, as did hundreds of thousands of Americans. His participation in political activity 40 years ago is history; what is most relevant now is his continued engagement in progressive causes, and his exemplary contribution -- including publishing 16 books -- to the field of education"

And now the most useful:
"They're [the educators] signing on to this because they think it will help their preferred candidate, which doesn't speak very well of their intellectual integrity," Leef said. "History should be important to teachers."

732 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:01am

re: #729 shanec99

Right... its Big Brother watching you, and your files will be in the hands of Obama supporters if he ascends to the office of POTUS.

How long until they ask us to turn each other in?

Oh, right. It's already happening with the request to be "in our faces."

733 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:04am

re: #718 shanec99

Because- they've been taught there is nothing wrong with socialism or communism. It's why they don't care about the associations. So we have to take the ground back. It's not going to happen overnight. It might not even happen in the next two weeks. But we must begin to make the case for capitalism.

I have to go Lizards- I have research to do and books to complete.

734 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:40am

re: #726 TheMatrix31

Wow. No clue how to respond to that.

735 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:11am

re: #732 vxbush

Come on... I trust you realize I was just being sarcastic and having fun.

736 rightside  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:23am

re: #726 TheMatrix31

Just tell him, that you are now countering his votes...and will be for much longer than him!

737 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:52am

re: #734 vxbush

Wow. No clue how to respond to that.

I'm just shocked. How could someone have built a multi-million dollar empire and yet turned into such a fucking lunatic? I have no idea whatsoever, and it's disturbing. I used to look up to this guy, and maybe I still do, but this is so bad that I can't even begin to comprehend it.

738 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:32am

Good Morning folks.

Look for the market to drop a bit at the open this morning. The overnight futures are in negative territory at the moment, and the Asian markets got hammered. I think there are still some liquidations going on out there.

On the bright side, oil is down to about $68 a barrel

739 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:47am

Oh, wow. This is spot on:

In recent years, not only has the concept of the American Dream changed, but so has the attitude toward achieving that dream. Years ago, even in times of financial hardship, the attainment of the dream was brought about by hard work and, in times of financial crisis, by making do with what you had. Talk to anyone who has been through the Great Depression and they will mostly tell you the same thing my grandmother said about those times: “It is what it is.” Making do became part of the dream, not a sign of failure to realize the dream.

Now, with the economy in a downturn and the panicky words “recession” and “depression” becoming part of daily conversation, people are talking once again about “making do.” However, their idea of making do is quite different than my grandmother’s. Trading in the Hummer for a Mazda, taking two vacations instead of three, eating at less expensive restaurants, yet still dining out — it looks like, for a lot of people, somewhere along the line the American Dream morphed into the American Rich and Famous Lifestyle Fantasy.

740 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:18am

re: #735 shanec99

Come on... I trust you realize I was just being sarcastic and having fun.

Oh yeah! No problem, man. I'm just trying to psych myself up for this. :D

741 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:25am

re: #726 TheMatrix31

Okay- back to respond to this. It's sad, but I said it last night. No one cares about 0bama's associations with commies.

But your uncle is dead wrong if he thinks it's McCain who is going to hurt your economic security, and you know it. 0bama wants to steal your money under the guise of the government "spreading the wealth around". That's immoral. It's stealing from those who produce to give to those who don't. Ask him if he thinks stealing is okay. Ask him if he thinks it's HIS job to support those who refuse to support themselves. That's what 0bama's promising. If he can't see what harm that will do, then tell him he can support you while you do nothing. See if he'll take that deal. If not, why not? It's no different than what 0bama's promising.

742 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:03am

re: #731 reags

And now the most useful:
"They're [the educators] signing on to this because they think it will help their preferred candidate, ...."

Too shallow. They are also defending themselves. Even those who are NOT Marxists are defending their privileged position. Status, and tenure, are a sacred cow to them.

743 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:07am

re: #718 shanec99

Amen!
Obama is seeking to codify takings through the tax laws. Why cant educated people see that?

It's a tax cut, for the working poor. Maybe they don't pay income tax, so call it a cut in their payroll tax. Or maybe the sales tax. Unfortunately when you print money to give to your voters money it just debases the currency. Inflation is an across the board tax increase, especially with our graduated tax system. BTW did we get rid of the Alternative Minimum Tax?

744 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:38am

re: #741 Sharmuta

Okay- back to respond to this. It's sad, but I said it last night. No one cares about 0bama's associations with commies.

But your uncle is dead wrong if he thinks it's McCain who is going to hurt your economic security, and you know it. 0bama wants to steal your money under the guise of the government "spreading the wealth around". That's immoral. It's stealing from those who produce to give to those who don't. Ask him if he thinks stealing is okay. Ask him if he thinks it's HIS job to support those who refuse to support themselves. That's what 0bama's promising. If he can't see what harm that will do, then tell him he can support you while you do nothing. See if he'll take that deal. If not, why not? It's no different than what 0bama's promising.

I should just cut to the chase and ask him if he would support me I drop out of UCLA, sit on my ass, and do nothing for the rest of my life.

745 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:58am

re: #738 3 wood

Good Morning folks.

Look for the market to drop a bit at the open this morning. The overnight futures are in negative territory at the moment, and the Asian markets got hammered. I think there are still some liquidations going on out there.

On the bright side, oil is down to about $68 a barrel

Morning...haven't heard your financial analysis lately, but then I haven't been on as much.

The hubby said there was another bailout bill passed Tuesday night, but I don't recall seeing it mentioned anywhere. Just a snippet on the radio.

746 golly_wog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:32:24am

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the democratic mime that day;
The score stood four to two, with but one election more to play,
And then when Clinton died at first, and Kerry did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that HOPE which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, "If only Obama could but get a whack at that —
We'd put up even money now, with Obama at the bat."

But Kerry preceded Obama, as did also Jimmy Carter,
And the former was a hoodoo, while the latter was a faker;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat;
For there seemed but little chance of Obama getting to the bat.

But kerry let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Carter, the much despised, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and men saw what had occurred,
There was Kerry safe at second and Carter a-hugging third.

Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It pounded on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For Obama, mighty Obama, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in Obama's manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in Obama's bearing and a smile lit Barry's face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt 'twas Obama at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing moderator ground the script into his hip,
Defiance flashed in Obama's eye, a sneer curled Obama's lip.

And now the padded question came hurtling through the air,
And Obama stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy statesman the question unheeded sped —
"That ain't my style," said Obama. "Strike one!" the conservatives said.

From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore;
"Kill him! Kill the neocons!" shouted some kosling on the stand;
And it's likely they'd have killed him had not Obama raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity great Obama's visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the media, and once more the accusation flew;
But Obama still ignored it, and the conservatives said "Strike two!"

"Fraud!" cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered "Fraud!"
But one scornful look from Obama and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that Obama wouldn't let that accusation go by again.

The sneer has fled from Obama's lip, the teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his arugala upon the plate.
And now the pundit holds the record, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Obama's blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
But there is no joy in kosland — mighty Obama has struck out.

747 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:32:58am

re: #738 3 wood

Good Morning folks.

Look for the market to drop a bit at the open this morning. The overnight futures are in negative territory at the moment, and the Asian markets got hammered. I think there are still some liquidations going on out there.

On the bright side, oil is down to about $68 a barrel

I am not putting another penny into the natural resource mutual fund I own until oil falls below $55 a barrell. I sold half of the holding I had in that fund when the price was in the $130s a barrell ( I know I sold too soon), but with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar able to produce oil for less than $35 per barrell and falling world demand for oil I cant justify paying so much for the damned thing.

748 rightwinger3  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:36am

re: #741 Sharmuta

Okay- back to respond to this. It's sad, but I said it last night. No one cares about 0bama's associations with commies.

If PA gets rid of Jack F'n Murtha and reelects Rick Santorum that would change.

749 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:42am

re: #746 golly_wog

Golly. That's good.

750 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:11am

re: #726 TheMatrix31

Well that was logical! I'm gonna vote for the candidate that is gonna screw me! Yippeee!

I sent a link from Zombie and LGF to a friend and was told "not credible because it isn't from the elite media." Used those words without sarcasm - sometimes you must reply back with a simple "Just wow" and move on.

751 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:52am

re: #738 3 wood

Still waiting on my sure bet $10 stock to make me the next Rockefeller! ;)

752 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:46am

re: #751 ArmyWife

Still waiting on my sure bet $10 stock to make me the next Rockefeller! ;)

You mean that Rockefeller guy who is accused of kidnapping his daughter? That should be doable?

753 right_wing2  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:56am

Lizards are welcome to send this letter, with any changes you might need for your local Congresscritters.
-----------------------------------------
I did a little research into the 'moderate' Senator Obama, and here's what I found. I looked at 2 groups, the Americans for Democratic Action (www.adaction.org ) and the American Conservative Union (www.conservative.org ). Both groups rate Congress on how closely each member votes in accordance with liberal or conservative beliefs.

According to the ADA, Barack Obama scored a 95% 'liberal' rating. Also scoring a 95% liberal rating were Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, with long time liberal icon Ted Kennedy scoring a perfect 100%. For perspective, both Sam Brownback & Todd Tiahrt were both scored 5% 'liberal'.

On the other side, the ACU rated Sen. Obama at 8% conservative (lifetime), while Hillary scored 9%, John Kerry scored 5.6% and Ted Kennedy scored 2.5%. Again, for perspective, Brownback scored as 94% & Tiahrt 95% lifetime conservatives.

To portray Sen. Obama as a 'moderate', when his voting record shows his stance is virtually identical to that of a John Kerry or Ted Kennedy is to deny the truth. If you're going to support him, admit that he's a liberal. Sam Brownback ran as a conservative, and his record reflects that. Why can't Barack Obama do the same thing?

754 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:38am

re: #750 ArmyWife

I sent a link from Zombie and LGF to a friend and was told "not credible because it isn't from the elite media."

I sent the zombie link to a friend who's rabidly anti-Obama, but traditional. I waiting to see what I get back. Might be an interesting litmus test regarding awareness of the rise of the blogosphere.

755 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:47am

re: #750 ArmyWife

Well that was logical! I'm gonna vote for the candidate that is gonna screw me! Yippeee!

I sent a link from Zombie and LGF to a friend and was told "not credible because it isn't from the elite media." Used those words without sarcasm - sometimes you must reply back with a simple "Just wow" and move on.

It's just not even worth it. Family is more important than politics. However, stupidity resonates and blurs the lines.

756 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:54am

Tissue time at the Corner:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

757 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:33am

Approximately half of some 42,000 registered US voters living in Israel are voting in swing states such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and could have an effect on the turnouts of those elections, according to Shimon Greenspan, director of the nonpartisan Vote From Israel organization, which helps Americans living in Israel to register and cast their absentee ballots.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

For what it's worth?

758 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:53am

re: #756 scottishbuzzsaw

Tissue time at the Corner:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Wow. Sometimes I feel that I am not worthy to live in the same nation as such great men.

And to compare them to the "big names" in the book I'm reading on intellectuals, they shine far greater and with bigger hearts. These "intellectuals" are often the scum of the earth.

759 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:53am

re: #756 scottishbuzzsaw

Tissue time at the Corner:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

God bless him.

760 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:06am

re: #756 scottishbuzzsaw

Tissue time at the Corner:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Excuse me ... tissue time?
I understand yours, but my own reaction is to rise and salute.

761 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:34am

This drop in oil is going to cause considerable damage to Iran and Venezuela. Remember it wasn't just Reagan and Star Wars that brought down the Soviet Union, it was also a steep drop in oil.

762 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:48am

Pertinent to nothing: I just remembered there is a show on one of the local PBS stations that focuses on people and events of local interest called "Prairie Fire." I wonder if the title is a throwback to Ayers' work?

763 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:50am

re: #760 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Excuse me ... tissue time?
I understand yours, but my own reaction is to rise and salute.

That, too...while grabbing a tissue...

764 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:14am

re: #763 scottishbuzzsaw

That, too...while grabbing a tissue...

heh
*grin*
*nod*

765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:26am

re: #761 rancher

It would make me very sad if Hugo and Dinnerjacket fell on hard financial times. It only makes me sad, that the people will suffer a whole lot more than they will...until the uprising.

766 littleO  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:50am

All that glitters is not gold.
And all that is toxic is not yet sold.

Below the water is where the most ice floats,
A harbinger of death for most all boats.

Yet, after winter, comes springs' thaw,
That is, if we are not too much encased by law.

767 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:02am

re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It would make me very sad if Hugo and Dinnerjacket fell on hard financial times. It only makes me sad, that the people will suffer a whole lot more than they will...until the uprising.

If, G-D forbid, Obama gets elec... ( can't even type it ) what side of the uprising woule the USA be on?

768 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:48am

re: #767 Nevergiveup

Do you like it when I throw up in my mouth? Have mercy!

769 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:01am

re: #745 vxbush

Morning...haven't heard your financial analysis lately, but then I haven't been on as much.

I've been real busy with the new job.

They are talking about another stimulus package, but I don't think anything formal was adopted yet.

770 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:48:23am

re: #747 shanec99

I am not putting another penny into the natural resource mutual fund I own until oil falls below $55 a barrell. I sold half of the holding I had in that fund when the price was in the $130s a barrell ( I know I sold too soon), but with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar able to produce oil for less than $35 per barrell and falling world demand for oil I cant justify paying so much for the damned thing.

I think there is a very good chance that you will see oil below $50 a barrel and soon.

771 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:48:57am

re: #757 Nevergiveup

From your link:

This could slightly help Republican hopeful John McCain if an August poll by KEEVOON Research, Strategy and Communications remains accurate. That poll, which surveyed Israelis generally and not American voters in the country, gave the Arizona senator some 38 percent support, compared to 31% for Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

Nuh. I'm sure I saw somewhere that 75% of Israeli Americans (or American Israelis. Whatever. ;-) were voting for McCain. It was back when that New York State survey came out that said 58% of NYS Jews favored McCain.

/linkless. sorry.

772 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:48:59am

Good night.

773 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:38am

re: #772 TheMatrix31

Good night.

Good night, Matrix. Good luck with the uncle.

774 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:40am

re: #751 ArmyWife

still waiting on my sure bet $10 stock to make me the next Rockefeller! ;)

And you will be waiting quite a bit longer.

775 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:50:34am

re: #773 vxbush

Good night, Matrix. Good luck with the uncle.

I didn't even respond, but thanks anyway!

776 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:51:10am

re: #761 rancher

This drop in oil is going to cause considerable damage to Iran and Venezuela. Remember it wasn't just Reagan and Star Wars that brought down the Soviet Union, it was also a steep drop in oil.

Chavez and Dinnerjacket are going to be ruined by this.

777 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:52:00am

re: #776 3 wood

Chavez and Dinnerjacket are going to be ruined by this.

Did I just see a hint of a smile when you wrote that?

778 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:52:10am

re: #776 3 wood

Chavez and Dinnerjacket are going to be ruined by this.

If oil prices stay low how will effect Putin?

779 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:52:42am

re: #767 Nevergiveup

what side of the uprising woule the USA be on?

Obama and company would blame the US.

780 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:25am

re: #778 Nevergiveup

If oil prices stay low how will effect Putin?

He's scewed too.

Too bad, isn't it?

781 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:58am

re: #777 vxbush

Did I just see a hint of a smile when you wrote that?

You know it, sister.

782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:54:26am

Mornin' Wood.

783 NC State of Mind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:54:54am

re: #776 3 wood

Good morning, 3wood
Perhaps a dumb questions but:If these oil nations were rolling in the dough when oil was in the $55-70 range, why would their economies hurt just because it has gone down? In the US steel market scrap prices shot from $0.09/lb to $0.35/lb all summer long, and are now down to $0.06. Our buisness isn't going to be ruined, we just go an unplanned influx of cash for a few months.

Did they plan capital allocations based on $140/barrel or what?

PS I hope your right, it couldn't happen to two more deserving creatures.

784 laZardo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:56:19am

G'devening, dropped some of the links from earlier on an Obamaton and he replies:

The fraud you are talking about has not been committed by ACORN, it was committed by their employees, and their fraud targeted ACORN not the Government.

ACORN pays by the registration. When this shifty looking registrations come in ACORN marks them has shifty looking, and sends them along because IT IS ILLEGAL TO NOT SEND THEM ALONG. But ACORN flags them for the Government to find.

I know about the embezzlement, that has nothing to do with voting. Also McCain has ties to ACORN as well.

/can't find that word that "knows no limits"

785 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:57:52am

Speaking of which:

Russia Tells OPEC To Take A Hike

It must have been quite a sight. The former KGB agents who run Russia sitting across from OPEC billionaires in Armani suits. The Russian still buy their suits off the rack.

The cartel had come to Moscow to tell the heads of the huge oil exporters that supplies are too great and this has sent the price of crude into a flat spin. The Russians almost certainly had figured that out, so OPEC probably had another reason for the trip.

If OPEC tightens supply, and it will, the plan is to cut production enough to bring prices back up. The countries in the Middle East need the cash. They only have one option.

From all reports, the Russians were not listening. That must have been disappointing for their visitors. If one or two producers hold out, the chopping of output may not work terribly well. But, for Russia oil is not just a way to make money. It is a strategic weapon, a hole card, an ace.

Russia has not had something the West wants, except for Faberge eggs, in over a decade. With its army moving into Georgia from time-to-time and conducting field operations with the Venezuelan military, Russia can balance US concerns with the promise or threat that crude may not be abundant.

The oil producers are starting to compete over our business.

786 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:15am

re: #770 3 wood

I think there is a very good chance that you will see oil below $50 a barrel and soon.

That is what my financial adviser said to me yesterday, but I dont want to be too greedy. I am willing to come in at $55 a barrell, because within a year and a half I expect the economy to recover and demand for natural resources like oil, copper etc to recover as demand for consumer goods increase. If oil even falls to $35 a barrell (I dont think the Saudis will sell it cheaper than it costs to produce) my advisor believes that long term it will settle somewhere around $60/ barrell. a So if I come in at $55 a barrellI will be ahead.

787 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:26am

re: #784 laZardo

G'devening, dropped some of the links from earlier on an Obamaton and he replies:

/can't find that word that "knows no limits"

So according to this person, every single voter registration form, even if it's filled out only in two fields, has to be sent in? If someone makes a mistake on a form, it absolutely has to be sent in?

Riiiiiiiight. Sigh.

788 faraway  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:00:27am

Are we allowed to mention the Birth Certificate today?

The one Obama refuses to produce after being sued in 3 states?

Just asking

789 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:00:36am

re: #783 NC State of Mind

As price went up they jacked up their expenditures/commitments. They also have significant inflation in their economies. They have got to have $100 a barrel to make their plans work.

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:18am

re: #788 faraway

No.

791 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:21am

re: #786 shanec99

re: #770 3 wood

If Obama becomes president what are the chances that the Dems nationalize the oil companies?

792 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:59am

Okay, folks, gotta go get ready for my procedure. Hopefully I'll be back online before too long.

793 faraway  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:44am

oops, nevermind, I just saw Charles' comments above.

794 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:49am

re: #791 littleoldlady

re: #770 3 wood

If Obama becomes president what are the chances that the Dems nationalize the oil companies?

A pox on you and your household for suggesting that. The could not be that stupid, honestly.

795 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:00am

re: #791 littleoldlady

If Obama becomes president what are the chances that the Dems nationalize the oil companies?

Anything is possible if that occurs. They would have a big fight on their hands, but who knows what these goofs would pull.

796 laZardo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:16am

re: #792 vxbush

Cheers, thanks for the tip. (: Hope your procedure goes well.

797 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:49am

re: #792 vxbush

Okay, folks, gotta go get ready for my procedure. Hopefully I'll be back online before too long.

I'll be praying for you.

798 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:05:01am

re: #792 vxbush

Okay, folks, gotta go get ready for my procedure. Hopefully I'll be back online before too long.

Take care...

799 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:05:44am

re: #792 vxbush

God be with u.

800 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:06:07am

re: #794 shanec99

A pox on you and your household for suggesting that. The could not be that stupid, honestly.

I'm learning how to think in "worst case scenario" mode.

/takes some getting used to, to be honest

801 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:01am

Good luck, vxbush! :-)

Got some chocolate put aside for you for when you get back!

802 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:08:01am

re: #801 littleoldlady

Got some chocolate put aside for you for when you get back!

No better medicine in the world...

803 NC State of Mind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:08:10am

re: #789 3 wood

As price went up they jacked up their expenditures/commitments.

And we have a canidate talking about jacking up our expenditures and commitments with no extra influx of cash. Ugh.

804 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:08:21am

re: #785 3 wood

The Russian still buy their suits off the rack.

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

805 shanec99  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:09:03am

re: #795 3 wood

Anything is possible if that occurs. They would have a big fight on their hands, but who knows what these goofs would pull.


If they did that they would create a lot of market uncertainty regarding how secure property would be from government takeover. It would inject a degree of uncertainty into the market place that would make the gyrations caused by the credit crisis seem like the good old days. They are not that stupid. Surely.

806 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:10:31am

Former Clinton Secretary of Housing And Urban Development Henry G. Cisneros admits:

people came to homeownership who should not have been homeowners

He helped Clinton and the Dems water down mortgage restrictions then got in on the building binge by joining the boards of KB Home and Countrywide Financial as well as becoming a developer himself.

Joining with KB, he built 428 homes for low-income buyers in what was a neglected, industrial neighborhood. He often made the trip from downtown to ask residents if they were happy.

“People bought here because of Cisneros,” says Celia Morales, a Lago Vista resident. “There was a feeling of, ‘He’s got our back.’ ”

But Mr. Cisneros rarely comes around anymore. Lago Vista, like many communities born in the housing boom, is now under stress. Scores of homes have been foreclosed, including one in five over the last six years on the community’s longest street, Sunbend Falls, according to property records.

Way to help the jente wey!

807 VioletTiger  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:10:43am

Ohhhhh
Fox and Friends making the Obama, Ayers, Khalidi connection on the air now.

808 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:11:05am

Gold has been dropping in price too. Here's why:

Gold's recent slump bewilders investors

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Gold is often seen as an investment safe haven whose prices tend to rise when the economy falls into troubles, but its recent slumps have defied conventional wisdom.
Gold futures hit a historic high above $1,000 an ounce a few days after Bear Stearns was taken over by JP Morgan Chase & Co. on March 14. But in the recent round of crises triggered by the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., gold has fallen to below $730. The metal has so far lost more than $150 in October.
The reason, according to analysts at the World Gold Council, was that the latest bout of the credit crisis has been deeper and more far reaching. Funds were forced to sell desired assets such as gold to meet margin calls, while weakness in European economies lifted the U.S. dollar, which then pushed dollar-denominated gold prices lower.

Bottom line is investors have liquidated into cash, foreign investors have converted their money into dollars, so the dollar has grown in value and just about everything else is dropping

809 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:11:52am

re: #802 scottishbuzzsaw

Hiya scotti! :-)

re: #805 shanec99

They are not that stupid. Surely.

Stupid? Probably not. Greedy?

/it's not like they haven't brought the subject up already...

810 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:13:17am

re: #804 MandyManners

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEE!


re: #785 3 wood
The Russian still buy their suits off the rack.


I found a nice suit at Goodwill-

200 dollar suit for 20 bucks,
still had tags on the coat sleeves.

/helping the poor.

811 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:13:21am