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Overnight Open Thread

Open | Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:53:50 pm PDT

An open thread for the lizards of the night...

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1 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:54:43pm

Watch this video, it's a scream.

2 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:54:52pm

So, shall we continue talking about zombie's work?

I vote AYE. (Or Arghh if you're a pirate.)
;)

3 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:05pm

The big thing that will define this election probably hasn't happened yet.

4 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:23pm

Marching into darkness, unafraid? No, but unbowed.

5 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:55:58pm

Nite all ... that last thread wore me out!

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class commercial kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

6 nigella  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:01pm

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?

7 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:20pm

These are times in which all good men and women need to stand up and fight, while we still may.

8 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:57:35pm

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

9 sharp_discernment  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:58:37pm

On THAT note *yawning*, I'm outty. The daily caffeine is wearing off and I've exhausted myself sending the Prairie Fire link to every news organization I could think of. I'm sure I'll come up with some more tomorrow. NEVER SAY DIE!

Again...mad props to the Great Zombie. I'm not worthy.

Sweet dreams.

10 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 8:58:50pm

BTW, speaking of BBQ, here is a plug for a company I like.

11 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:00:42pm

Ayers and Dohrn can roast in hell

12 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:00:52pm

Did Ayers and Dorhn ever reveal where they were hiding-out while they were in ...hiding?

13 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:01:24pm

re: #12 oldbennevis

BHO's dorm room

14 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:23pm

1 down 3 to go! Go Phillies

15 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:44pm

Phillies 3, Rays 2 .......final

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:02:46pm

Could Ayers be charged with treason on the basis of what he has admitted to?

17 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:24pm

Hello Night Lizards! The area of Illinois known as Near Iowa was cold and partly sunny today. They sunny part was to the West.

I'm amazed at the lack of concern in this country over commie-creep and sharia-creep. I think it's strange that the generation that was so angry at their parents generation is now "that" generation --and they are still angry --at -- themselves? I don't get it.

How are you-all?

18 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:40pm

re: #11 Kragar (proud to be kafir) "Ayers and Dohrn can will roast in hell."
There, fixed that for ya.

19 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:03:59pm

Well, here's a question. BHO has bought 30 minutes before game 6 of the WS, right? What happens if there is no game 6? Should we be rooting for a sweep?

20 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:16pm

re: #13 ACJohn

LOL! But he was only 8.
His treehouse maybe?

21 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:29pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Could Ayers be charged with treason on the basis of what he has admitted to?

He has already been tried, and not convicted. Plus I think I read that Clinton gave him a pardon before midnight on the last day of his term.

22 odinga[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:04:59pm
23 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:29pm

re: #8 AmericanMe

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

What I've noticed lately, and find deeply disturbing is that this information doesn't seem to faze some democrats, especially the more rabid followers of Obama. Communist? No problem, we celebrate diversity.

24 Badge of Kaffir Pride[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:37pm
25 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:05:53pm

Anybody see Body of Lies yet? I did today. I'll leave out commentary (sorry about revealing too much with American Carol many threads back) but lots of action!

Me like. The antiamerican crap I ignored.

26 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:06:13pm

Please stop posting ridiculous garbage rumors at LGF. The only thing you achieve is to discredit the site.

I'm going to delete any such comments.

27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #8 AmericanMe

Commies coming out of 0bama's butt.

How is this election even close? *sigh*

It's sad...Nobama said if not for Fox News he'd be another 3 points ahead.
Of course, if THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DID THEIR JOB, OBAMA WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THE DAMN NOMINATION!

28 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:33pm

re: #7 rawmuse

These are times in which all good men and women need to stand up and fight, while we still may.

Amen. These next twelve days could well make or break this wonderful country of ours. I firmly believe that.

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:52pm

Different, yet Friends..
Namaste, Y'all.

30 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:07:55pm

Oil powerhouse Venezuela struggles to keep lights on

A socialist-led country in the dark? Hmmm. I wonder if socialist is a codeword for dark.

31 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:08pm

re: #27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It's sad...Nobama said if not for Fox News he'd be another 3 points ahead.
Of course, if THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DID THEIR JOB, OBAMA WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THE DAMN NOMINATION!

Judging by the anger of the PUMA crowd, we should be thankful McC isn't running against Hill. She'd be killing him.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:10pm

You know, the economy isn't as bad as the MSM says.

I got laid off on Oct 10. I'm a software engineer.

I have had so many contacts, and halfway through the second week of my job search, I almost have to fight off headhunters.
I've had two phone screens; have an in-person interview tomorrow AND a phone screen; and have the risk of more than one place trying to schedule interviews at the same time.

I'm busier looking for work than I was working - I don't have much time for LGF!

Who says the economy is bad? Well, if I were a stockbroker or a mortgage banker, I might feel different, but this isn't so bad. I'm in more demand, at 53, than I was when employed and looking to change jobs.

(Now I hope I haven't jinxed it, but there is just too much going on for me to think that I'll be unemployed long)

33 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:27pm

Good morning Lizards from Bangkok. Sure was strange setting an alarm to wake up in time to watch the World Series. My body clock is extremely confused but very happy about the Phillies.

Zombie knocked it out of the park with that last thread (sorry for the bad baseball pun).

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #26 Charles

Please stop posting ridiculous garbage rumors at LGF. The only thing you achieve is to discredit the site.

I'm going to delete any such comments.

Thank you. It helps to keep the focus where it should be: stuff we can actually use.

35 Scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:08:56pm

re: #22 odinga


Not sure if this is true.

Very doubtful. Take a look at a picture of Obama, and his mom side by side. There is definitely a familial resemblence.

36 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:09:31pm

Joe The Plumber's property taxes seemed so important to the MSM. But not Obama's unpaid traffic tickets or taxes.
[Link: www.wickedlocal.com...]

37 odinga[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:09:37pm
38 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:10:23pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. It helps to keep the focus where it should be: stuff we can actually use.

And there is so much to use coming from the other side why would anyone possibly either prop up rumors or make stuff up. The truth is plentiful and useful from those idiots.

39 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:10:52pm

re: #7 rawmuse

Yup. No time to go flimsy now. Brass-tax time.

40 AmericanMe  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:11:25pm

re: #23 twincitiesgirl

What I've noticed lately, and find deeply disturbing is that this information doesn't seem to faze some democrats, especially the more rabid followers of Obama. Communist? No problem, we celebrate diversity.

Exactly, my sister told me it doesn't matter. No guilt by association as far as she's concerned. Gah! I countered with the judgement issue, but got nowhere. Out of seven of my siblings, she's the only moonbat. I feel bad for calling her that, but it is what it is. :-(

41 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:11:29pm

re: #35 Scion9

Very doubtful. Take a look at a picture of Obama, and his mom side by side. There is definitely a familial resemblence.

I said it was a rumor. So I will stop, sorry.

42 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:12:47pm

This is starting to really piss me off. I've just deleted half a dozen links from the Linkviewer leading to crappy rumors about Obama's citizenship.

If I have to start blocking accounts to stop this garbage from being posted here, I will.

43 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:12:59pm

Obama supporters in Ohio are suspected of more voter fraud.

44 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:01pm

While the MSM is trying to make a big deal out of the money the RNC spent on Palin's wardrobe, I notice no one is asking about Michelle Obama's wardrobe or coiffure.

I did hear that Big Dick Daley is concerned about who is going to pay for Obama's celebration in Grant Park on election night. As the City of Chicago certainly can't afford it. If Obama doesn't win, Daley may have more worries than simple crowd control.

45 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:07pm

re: #17 ggt Hi ggt! I'm not doing as well as I'd like, but I'm otherwise ok.
Did something today that I SWORE I'd never do: engaged a moonbat couple in a "converstation". They were all for Obama (no one mentioned Biden). When I said that although Bush had disappointed me in some areas, I think he should get the credit for there being no further "9/11"'s on American Soil. They started by saying that it just proved that there is no real GWOT - that 9/11 was a "one-off". The conversation - I fully confess aided and abetted by me - went downhill very VERY rapidly from there.
I cooled off a little and ticked off all the reasons to not vote for Obama and to Vote for McCain. He said that he didn't know most of what I'd said about Obama, she said I was making it up. I responded by sneering at her and addressing him: "Don't you think you should learn about the candidate you intend to vote for BEFORE you vote for him?" and his and her reply were that they did know about Obama - my response was that they manifestly did not as he had said he didn't know these things and "so what" everyone can make a mistake in choosing a candidate and I replied - before storming off - FUCK YOU - YOU are making a voting decision that's going to FUCK UP MY LIFE and the lives of tens of millions of Americans you stupid POS.
I didn't win any friends, but I'm thinking that the male of the couple is thinking about what I said and may not vote for Obama.
And I'm just embarrassed as hell cause I lost my temper like that.

46 pat  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:13:36pm

I am Anastassia's grandson. And I declare Putin to be exiled.

47 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:09pm

Here is something that discuses some of the problems of the polling industry presented by someone on the inside.

It is a short easy read.

Public Opinion Research - An Honorable Profession, Warts and All
by Harry W. O'Neill

48 odinga  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:14pm

re: #42 Charles

This is starting to really piss me off. I've just deleted half a dozen links from the Linkviewer leading to crappy rumors about Obama's citizenship.

If I have to start blocking accounts to stop this garbage from being posted here, I will.

I will stop. I didn't know it was completely bogus. Sorry.

49 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:14:27pm
50 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:15:22pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

I realize I live near Chicago, but I can tell you that there is no shortage of trucks and construction vehicles on the Highways and surface streets.

Somebody is buying and selling a lot of somethings.

51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:15:24pm

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

52 jetprop  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:16:23pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

Good luck with your interviews/search.

I was wondering, too: How can the economy be so bad?

Last week, I went on a business trip and noticed the airlines were full, lots of people were staying at a nice resort, cruise ships were coming & going, and a Starbucks in ATL airport had people lined up two dozen deep.

If the economy were as bad as the *MSM says, why aren't people huddling around small fires/cooking a can of beans instead of traveling?

*F the MSM

53 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:55pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir) Huh, I thought someone called you Maurice!

54 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:57pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

Is it true that some people call you "Maurice"?

55 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:18:59pm

re: #45 realwest

It is soooooooo hard to try to have a conversation with Obamabots.
Especially when you realize they are totally ignorant about him.
It's almost impossible NOT to lose your temper.

Most of the time I don't speak up at all because I'm afraid it will only cause a fight. But then I feel ashamed for not having at least tried.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

56 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:05pm

And I've just deleted at least a dozen links about Jerome Corsi too.

Jerome Corsi hangs out with WHITE SUPREMACISTS, people. And he's a 9/11 Truther. If you post links to his ravings, they're going to be deleted, and you might lose your account.

I've really had enough of this, and I've made my feelings clear over and over.

57 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:18pm

re: #53 realwest

Huh, I thought someone called you Maurice!

Well, I do speak to the pompetus of love

58 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:20pm

re: #50 ggt

I realize I live near Chicago, but I can tell you that there is no shortage of trucks and construction vehicles on the Highways and surface streets.

Somebody is buying and selling a lot of somethings.

There's always lots of buying and selling here in and around Chicago. Some of the commerce involves the buying and selling of votes and politicians.

59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:19:47pm

If any of you southwest MO lizards wanted to go to Sarah Palin's rally in Springfield, MO, on Friday, it's been moved from the MSU arena to the Bass Pro Shops parking lot.

Seems the 10,000 seat arena was too SMALL!

When Biden was here a couple of weeks ago, he held his rally in a city park. Maybe 500 showed up, including some hecklers.

60 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:20:33pm

re: #57 Kragar (proud to be kafir) ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

61 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:20:42pm

re: #45 realwest

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

62 ACJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:06pm

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

63 ljmw  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:07pm

Is Obama a stooge of Ayers or is Obama fully on board with the Ayers agenda?

I think the Joe the Plumber slip is telling.

Obama has been described as an empty suit. When he answered Joe's question he sounded more like ventriloquist dummy.

I'm not certain BHO knows what he believes but I definitely think Ayers has his hand up Obama's jacket. Where is Ayers? Hiding in plain sight, yet more visible now than when he was blowing up buildings. Getting kudos from 3000 academics. Why? Why do they care about this guy and his connection to Obama, if there isn't one or the connection is insignificant. Chilling.

If Obama doesn't throw Ayers under the bus after this then I think that speaks volumes. If this doesn't derail BHO it will follow him into his presidency. He has to know that which would explain why he hasn't thrown Ayers under the Greyhound before now.

64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:08pm

re: #54 suboptimal

Is it true that some people call you "Maurice"?

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

65 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:42pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

Well, if you dont know by now, I'm not going to ruin the suprise

66 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:21:46pm

re: #52 jetprop

Good luck with your interviews/search.

I was wondering, too: How can the economy be so bad?

Last week, I went on a business trip and noticed the airlines were full, lots of people were staying at a nice resort, cruise ships were coming & going, and a Starbucks in ATL airport had people lined up two dozen deep.

If the economy were as bad as the *MSM says, why aren't people huddling around small fires/cooking a can of beans instead of traveling?

*F the MSM

Thanks.

The MSM is really trying to push 0bama-socialism. Nothing can be good under the Bush administration.

67 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:17pm

re: #33 freedombilly

Good morning Lizards from Bangkok. Sure was strange setting an alarm to wake up in time to watch the World Series. My body clock is extremely confused but very happy about the Phillies.

Zombie knocked it out of the park with that last thread (sorry for the bad baseball pun).

Hey, I watched 8 years of the Super Bowl at 5 am on Monday mornings....

(hot dogs and beer do not go over well at that time)

68 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:27pm

re: #55 wolfie This is true. However I've now decided that I might as well be damned if I do.
Seriously, I've had WAAAY TOO MUCH BULLSHIT from Obamatrons and especially the MSM (see Charles' earlier thread about how "fair" their coverage of McCain has been).

69 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:32pm

re: #62 ACJohn

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

And may God give a certain part Irishman named Barack Obama the back of his hand.

70 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:38pm

re: #52 jetprop

It's mostly the financial sector, and the housing market, with lots of overlap between the two. The high tech industry, MY industry, is stonger than ever. The recession of earlier this decade was far, far worse at this point.

71 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:44pm

re: #64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

As long as you sure don't want to hurt no one.

72 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #48 odinga

I will stop. I didn't know it was completely bogus. Sorry.

Do you have more than one account here?

73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:22:50pm

re: #62 ACJohn

Good Night ALL

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand." -Irish Blessing

/Could have sworn I read that in a fortune cookie.

74 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:13pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

IMO, Steve Miller put out some decent music, but just had to be the worst lyricist ever in R&R.

75 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:13pm

erroring == erring.

re: #61 Captkirk35

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

76 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:30pm

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

Miss Teen Louisiana: Idiot

Miss Teen South Carolina - 2007 Idiot?

That might just be an insult to idiots.

77 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:32pm

re: #45 realwest

Sounds like the male of the couple needs to grow some. Maybe you helped.

I am very worried about our country. It seems there are a lot of people who don't know the history that I thought was basic. --Like communism is bad--.

Sorry you aren't feeling as well as you'd like.

78 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:23:56pm

Something else I was thinking of.

The MSM makes a stink that Joe the Plumber doesn't make 250K so he'd "benefit" from 0's tax "cut".
The point is, Joe looks forward to getting MORE than 250K, and wants the government to stay out of his way, and let him keep more of it.

Only people who expect to stay poor want the government to "spread the wealth around".

79 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:24:13pm

than == then.. oy'

re: #61 Captkirk35

I'm glad to hear you engaged them. Some methods of persuasion are better than others, but it's time we started erroring on the side of engagement, than slinking off and letting the Left set, and own the agenda.

80 I Need A Bigger Gun  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:00pm

Today's bit of eye-rolling print media trash is courtesy of my local fish wrap, the Orlando Sentinel (or, as it is called by those of us who have been living here for a while, the Orlando Slantinel, for their obvious-to-everybody-but-themselves bias to the left). This was on the editorial page of today's edition:

Under the title of "Overwhelming force" and a "we think" comment of:
"Powell's endorsement should end talk about Obama's readiness for president", comes this:

If former Secretary of State Colin Powell is not worried about Democrat Barack Obama answering a 3 a.m. crisis call in the White House, you shouldn't be either.

Skip to paragraph three, and you get this:

Mr. Powell said he had been following both candidates for almost two years, and had come to be impressed by Mr. Obama's "steadiness" and "depth of knowledge."

And now the wrap-up:

In seeking Mr. Powell's counsel, and naming Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joe Biden as his running mate, Mr. Obama showed he is intent on filling in whatever gaps he might have on international issues. That combination of humility and pragmatism would be a welcome change in the White House.


Hey, Sentinel editorial board members, let me piss in your corn flakes: Powell is endorsing little O for two reasons. One, Powell is a RINO. Two, he is a part of the "I'm black and so is he" crowd. That's it. Not that you shitbirds care...

81 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:19pm

re: #64 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I do admit to being a picker, a sinner, a lover and a grinner

but not a midnight toker? what gives?

82 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:20pm

re: #67 Intrepid

Hey, I watched 8 years of the Super Bowl at 5 am on Monday mornings....

(hot dogs and beer do not go over well at that time)

The Super Bowl and 5 am just ain't right. Maybe bloody mary's and hot dogs would have been better.

Actually, that sounds pretty disgusting.

83 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:21pm

re: #21 rawmuse

He has already been tried, and not convicted. Plus I think I read that Clinton gave him a pardon before midnight on the last day of his term.

No, he wasn't tried. The case was dismissed on a technicality (illegal wiretap I believe).

84 oldbennevis  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:41pm

re: #62 ACJohn

May those that love us, love us.
And those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if He doesn't turn their hearts,
May He turn their ankles
So we will know them by their limping.
~Irish Blessing

85 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:25:42pm

re: #60 realwest

ROTL! OK what the hell IS the "pompetus of love"?!

Do a wiki search, rw. We discussed that here a few weeks back. He "borrowed" it. : )

86 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:17pm

In light of the non-issue of Obama's citizenship, I do want to bring up something that has been bothering me.

That he is called a Christian. He's no Christian.

Being in the position he is, with so many lemmings looking at him as divine, Farrakhan calling him "the Messiah", etc., well, I'd think more of the man if he repudiated these statements. But has Barack Obama ever said: "I'm no messiah, just a man who believes he has a plan to steer this country in the right direction"?

No, he hasn't. He talks about "this being the moment when the tides recede" and that "together we will heal the earth" and other such nonsense. And he does so in reverential tones, which are appropriate for Liberals when they worship THEIR Messiah, or for Muslims praying to Allah. Those tones are A-OK for everyone except Christians. When we praise our Lord and his word, we're backwards. Old hat. Superstitious.

Not to mention that he was called to Christianity in the pews presided over by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, in a "church" that preaches, in the words of new pastor Rev. Otis Moss, "thug theology"; a church built on racism and racial superiority, phony righteous indignation, division and victimhood. Jesus would have torn such a church apart with his bare hands.

The junior Senator from Illinois is exactly the kind of false prophet Jesus warned of in the New Testament.

I'm not saying he's the anti-christ. I'm saying that the way he conducts himself is quite un-Christian.

Barack Obama's an American. But he's no Christian. He's the farthest thing from it.

-WFH

87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:25pm

re: #81 Opilio

but not a midnight toker? what gives?

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

88 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:26:59pm

re: #45 realwest

While maybe you are guilty of losing your temper, your real error was introducing zealots to facts! How dare you rw?

89 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #61 Captkirk35 Thanks, but I don't know what forms of engagement are better than others (I'm talking strictly non-violent here!) and I really blasted them MORE because it was pent up inside ME than because they are stupid, ignorant people (although that didn't hurt, either).
The real problem with Obamabots - White ones, at least - is that they cannot articulate any VALID reasons for Obama's being elected because there are NONE (other than it would be "nice" if American had a Black President which at least I understand as a "reason").

90 Maximu§  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:21pm

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

91 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:35pm

re: #68 realwest

I'm beginning to think the same thing. Better to give it a try.

On the job I HAVE to keep my mouth shut. (No tenure.) But I don't have to do that elsewhere., and I think you and Capt. Kirk (post above) are right that we need to speak up much more.

92 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

Do you misremember?

93 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:28:28pm

re: #6 nigella

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?


my take again
if you poll the 510 area code
you will get overwhelming support for 0bama

poll the 530 area code, 100 miles away
you will get overwhelming support for McCain

94 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:28:36pm

re: #51 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

There is a rumor that some people call me the Space Cowboy and some call me the Gangster of Love

I though they called you "Maurice".

95 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:29:21pm

re: #52 jetprop

The MSM is focusing on the people who were barely making it before the recent melt-down. Which, I think isn't as large a percentage of the population as they make it seem. There are people truly suffering. There was one report that the local homeless shelter/food pantry is at capacity right now. Something they haven't seen in a while.

Gas is way down --but food commodites are up. It will be a tough winter for more American's that it was last winter. Our church is taking extra collections for the food pantry.

I don't know where to get accurate historical figures on such things. I don't know when the shelters were last at capacity. I don't think we are near or are in danger of being at 1929 figures tho.

96 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:29:41pm

ODINGA: I asked you a question in comment #72.

97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:12pm

Just got this email from [Link: www.johnmccain.com-...]

While we are extremely honored and appreciative of Missouri State University being willing to host Governor Palin's Road to Victory Rally on Friday in the McDonald Arena, due to the overwhelming demand of the people in Springfield and the surrounding area, we have needed to move the Road to Victory Rally to a larger venue.

The Road to Victory Rally with Governor Palin will now be held in the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shops. This is located at 1935 S Campbell Ave in Springfield, MO.

Doors will open at 9AM on Friday October 24th

All tickets for the Missouri State University event will be honored at the new location. There will be a reserved section for all current ticket holders.

If you currently do not have a ticket, you will be welcome to enter through the general admission area.

To answer a few frequently asked questions: Be sure to leave any signs at home even your McCain-Palin signs.
No outside food or beverages.
No umbrellas, bags, backpacks or weapons (HUH? I added that) of any type.
Cameras are allowed
Please remember this is an outdoor event and please dress appropriately.
Thank you for your support! See you at the Rally!

98 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:20pm

MSG to CMD Group:

1. Am starting defensive measures now. have 1k sandbags and will ring my position with same.
2. Will fight off attacks for as long as ammo will allow.
3. Will resist going to the political re-education camps to the very end.

Where, oh where is the conservative base of this country? The world wonders.

99 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:31pm

re: #82 freedombilly

The Super Bowl and 5 am just ain't right. Maybe bloody mary's and hot dogs would have been better.

Actually, that sounds pretty disgusting.

Heh. I just went with coffee and toast.

100 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:30:55pm

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I have no recollection of those events not would I be disposed to discuss them under advisement from my attorney

"On da advice of my lawyer, I am refusing to answer dat question on da grounds dat it will incriminate me."

101 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #55 wolfie

I just say that he is a Marxist and McCain wasn't my choice either, but I'm going to put a cloths-pin on my nose and vote for him. They usually don't have anything to reply.

One person said that they didn't believe Obama was a Marxist. I just said "He is".

End of conversation.

102 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #86 wong fei hung

You might be correct about this, but I would caution against using this line of reasoning to persuade anyone. You won't get much mileage out of it, and there are so many other tacks you can use. It's a target-rich environment, for sure. Besides, he's running for president, not Pope.

103 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:21pm

re: #83 Tigger2005

No, he wasn't tried. The case was dismissed on a technicality (illegal wiretap I believe).

Thank you. Same result, tho'. Unfortunate.

104 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:22pm

re: #49 Wyatt Earp

Miss Teen Louisiana: Idiot

I smoked dope with Miss Teen U.S.A. 19__..............no, I won't blow her cover.

105 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:38pm

Looks like someone's right on the cusp of becoming de-Lizardized. ;)

106 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:31:58pm

re: #86 wong fei hung

That he is called a Christian. He's no Christian.


/So you're saying he's a Muslim then?

107 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:03pm

re: #90 Maximu§

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

It's about frigging time in a "closing the barn door after all the horses have run off" kind of way.

Someday in the far off future, we will have a Republican Party with leaders who understand that the opposition wants to bury us, not get along with us. (I can dream can't I?)

108 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:09pm

re: #105 Cartman

It is getting a little hot in here.

109 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:21pm

re: #92 freedombilly

Do you misremember?

PLEAD DA FIF!

110 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:32:39pm

I was referring to your temper, and losing it. Whenever we do that, and I do it all the time, we lose some credibility.

re: #89 realwest

Thanks, but I don't know what forms of engagement are better than others (I'm talking strictly non-violent here!) and I really blasted them MORE because it was pent up inside ME than because they are stupid, ignorant people (although that didn't hurt, either).
The real problem with Obamabots - White ones, at least - is that they cannot articulate any VALID reasons for Obama's being elected because there are NONE (other than it would be "nice" if American had a Black President which at least I understand as a "reason").

111 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:33:30pm

re: #105 Cartman

Looks like someone's right on the cusp of becoming de-Lizardized. ;)

agreed
but what happened to the poster in a earlier thread
who's football came up with an error
not in the LGF database ?

112 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:34:21pm

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

113 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:34:44pm

Follow up msg to cmd grp:

1. Fellow McC/P troops are circulating here in the People Democratic Republic of Northern Virginia.....our undergound may work after all.
2. Will advise.

CB

114 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:14pm

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

115 Eagle  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:22pm

Is buzzsawmonkey around? I am reading the comments at Zombies blog, about the Obama book review. You sir, are a one man army!

(That is you, right?)

116 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:34pm

re: #102 Captkirk35

Not trying to persuade anyone. Jus' sayin'.

-WFH

117 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:35:51pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

I saw that earlier. I believe it's related the "ë" in that lizard's nic. I've seen this before.

118 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:25pm

re: #102 Captkirk35

I agree, although if you were talking to someone who cares about the religious factor, WFH's points would be excellent to bring up. If.

119 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:46pm

re: #117 justadot

I saw that earlier. I believe it's related the "ë" in that lizard's nic. I've seen this before.

Which comment?

120 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:36:57pm

re: #112 victor_yugo


The guy's an urepetentent, communist/anarchist terrorist. But all Obama will do is repeat his stock answer to the inquiry, and the MSM will nod their heads and move on to Palin and her wardrobe. It's a lost cause (getting our message out, that is, not the election). Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.

121 Crusty  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:21pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Watch this video, it's a scream.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are clearly inciting furniture to commit acts of racism and violence.

122 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:35pm

re: #112 victor_yugo

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

I hope you're right. We keep getting told that your average "Joe and Jane America" don't really care about Ayers. Many of us do, but it may not be enough, at least with respect to this particular issue.

123 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:42pm

re: #114 Charles

Pretty tasteless.

124 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #106 looking closely

/So you're saying he's a Muslim then?

NO he is not saying that.
He's saying he is not a Christian in any ordinary, traditional sense of the term.

125 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:23pm

re: #90 Maximu§

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds

Well well, well...the GOP is finally showing some Balls.

Don't you mean some nuts?

126 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:24pm

re: #114 Charles

Charles, I see your point. Oh my!

127 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:29pm

re: #97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Just got this email from [Link: www.johnmccain.com-...]

While we are extremely honored and appreciative of Missouri State University being willing to host Governor Palin's Road to Victory Rally on Friday in the McDonald Arena, due to the overwhelming demand of the people in Springfield and the surrounding area, we have needed to move the Road to Victory Rally to a larger venue.

The Road to Victory Rally with Governor Palin will now be held in the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shops. This is located at 1935 S Campbell Ave in Springfield, MO.

Doors will open at 9AM on Friday October 24th

This on the level?

I don't know the area, but the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shop is bigger than something with the haughty title of McDonald Arena?

And how does one open the "doors" of a parking lot?

128 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:35pm

re: #74 Cartman Hey Amigo! Y'all surely can't mean that he sorta made up lyrics just so they'd rhyme do ya?!? LOL!
I give him Kudos for making such a handsome living for so long in the R&B and Rock fields though.
True story (or so says a friend of mine who witnessed it) the Steve Miller Band played a concert with the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield one night and the Byrds opened, followed by Miller who blew the Byrds off the stage - and then - grinning, started bragging (on an open mike) about those west coast types who can't play very well. Said Steve Stills, Richie Furay and Neil Young all gave Miller dirty looks and then played something like a two hour non-stop RAVE that put Miller into his proper persepective! LOL!

129 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:38:36pm

re: #119 Charles

Which comment?

I'd consult an attorney before answering!

/////

130 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:25pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.


"Short of knifing someone?"
If that were to happen, you bet the media would spin it.
"He had it coming"
"It was self defense"
"Its the Chicago way".

131 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:31pm

re: #112 victor_yugo

zombie, if you're still on here:

Holy shit, dude, I think you just pulled off our "October Surprise"!

Every day a little more drips out.Seems like a trickle,but I am hoping soon the MSM damn will bust.Then Obama will just be a bad dream.
Ever day the poles tighten,McCain will win.
BTW,good evening lizards.

132 Dream  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:52pm

To the LDS lizards out there in California...you're being targeted...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Just throwing that out there...

133 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:56pm

1. How do we call the media out on the carpet? Whether we win or lose, the duplicitous MSM is still there.
2. They will NOT acknowledge that they are in the tank for O/B.

There is so much that is broken, not sure how to fix. Where do we start? We have an unknown fraction of this country that thinks a handout is what they need.....as opposed to hand up. How big that fraction is will tell us how truly off the path to the city upon a hill we are.

134 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:39:58pm

I fixed the problem with the profiles -- apparently the old, deprecated Javascript 'escape' function still works better than 'encodeURIComponent' for some things.

135 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:40:17pm

re: #119 Charles

I'm trying to find it, Charles. I don't remember the thread right now.

136 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:00pm

re: #78 Kosh's Shadow
"Only people who expect to stay poor because they aren't willing to work hard enough to move up, want the government to "spread the wealth around"."
Sorry, just hadda add that!

137 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:08pm

re: #114 Charles

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Classy.

138 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:41:37pm

re: #116 wong fei hung

I hear ya. But you gotta be kind of careful w/ that line of reasoning in today's environment. We've got to start being smart about how we attack, and our tactics. The Left is always looking to sniff out what they perceive as unfair attacks on Obama's character. His religious purity, or lack of, starts edging awfully close to that line, even here on a blog.

139 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:01pm

re: #128 realwest

Good story, R-Dubs! As an aside, I always liked Richie's band Poco a whole lot.

140 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:05pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

Short of Obama knifing someone in the back on camera, the MSM will continue to run interference for him to the finish line.

You sure that would do it? I think they'd rush the body away, find a look-alike, pay everyone off, and say Obama was just playing a joke on a friend using a fake collapsing knife and ketchup for blood.

141 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:06pm

re: #124 wolfie

I think there was sarcasm implied in that statement, Wolfie. thanks for your defense though.

And for the record, no I don't think he's a stealth Muslim.

But he damn sure ain't a Christian. What Wright and Pfleger preach isn't Christianity. It's hate.

-WFH

142 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:07pm

re: #111 Adrenalyn

agreed
but what happened to the poster in a earlier thread
who's football came up with an error
not in the LGF database ?

That was a "feature" I meant to point out to Charles. That user is still in the DB, but you can't see it by clicking its avatar. It has to do with a funky character in its user name.

143 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:16pm

And now for your listening and viewing enjoyment; the complete animated video for Daft Punk's Interstella 5555

144 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:31pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

You know, the economy isn't as bad as the MSM says.

I got laid off on Oct 10. I'm a software engineer.

I have had so many contacts, and halfway through the second week of my job search, I almost have to fight off headhunters.
I've had two phone screens; have an in-person interview tomorrow AND a phone screen; and have the risk of more than one place trying to schedule interviews at the same time.

I'm busier looking for work than I was working - I don't have much time for LGF!

Who says the economy is bad? Well, if I were a stockbroker or a mortgage banker, I might feel different, but this isn't so bad. I'm in more demand, at 53, than I was when employed and looking to change jobs.

(Now I hope I haven't jinxed it, but there is just too much going on for me to think that I'll be unemployed long)

I drove through the local mall the other day for the first time in years. It was absolutely crammed with traffic, as bad as it used to be during Christmas in years past, except this was a Saturday in October. Roommate and I looked at one another: "What financial crisis?" For that matter, half the people we saw were "people of color" going into stores in packs. Families, mostly, and not poor families either, judging by the nice clothes, fancy SUVs, and large numbers of bags they were carrying out to their cars. And this is not a ritzy part of town either.

If you want to organize a community, build a mall in it. People will "organize" themselves right into shoppin', lickety split.

145 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:33pm

re: #133 Castlebravo

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

146 non-lib Nina  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:34pm

re: #136 realwest

"Only people who expect to stay poor because they aren't willing to work hard enough to move up, want the government to "spread the wealth around"."
Sorry, just hadda add that!


I like to call them LAZY!

147 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:42:52pm

re: #119 Charles

If you are looking for a sock-puppet, would looking for matching IP address' help narrow it down?

Odds are he has been at just one location while posting under the other.

148 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:08pm

re: #110 Captkirk35

I was referring to your temper, and losing it. Whenever we do that, and I do it all the time, we lose some credibility.

Oh, bullhockey. It's one thing to lose your temper. It's quite another to start shooting (at a campaign bus) or clubbing (little old ladies).

Who is perpetrating the violence here?

Which candidate is giving his silent complicity to these crimes committed by his supporters?

Demand an answer to these questions. If they "take exception" to it, demand to know why they aren't calling for indictments for actual acts of physical violence, without which they have no right to demand you stop pointing out a real Inconvenient Truth.

149 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:21pm

re: #3 DistantThunder

The big thing that will define this election probably hasn't happened yet.

Maybe it has. The market meltdown, bank meltdown, mortgage meltdown combo is a pretty big deal. We haven't seen its like since 1929. The world political response has so far been far more intelligent, but a mighty big house of cards is falling, and its fall is doing some damage to the real economy.

When all this happens in September and October, how can it not affect the presidential election?

150 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:30pm

Charles it was in the Zombie thread I believe

he had a weird letter in his name/nic

151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:38pm

re: #131 Oldasdirt

Every day a little more drips out.Seems like a trickle,but I am hoping soon the MSM damn will bust.Then Obama will just be a bad dream.
Ever day the poles tighten,McCain will win.
BTW,good evening lizards.

Oldasdirt- But it's all starting to trickle out at the right time! If the election was next Tuesday, it wouldn't matter much.
But we've still got 13 days to go. Remember, the Bush DUI story came out (Via those evil Bush-supporting conservatives at Fox News) a few days before the 2000 election.

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:40pm

re: #113 Castlebravo

Follow up msg to cmd grp:

1. Fellow McC/P troops are circulating here in the People Democratic Republic of Northern Virginia.....our undergound may work after all.
2. Will advise.

CB

Roger. Give 'em hell down there!

153 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:40pm

re: #130 looking closely

LOL.. yup

154 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #142 Opilio

That was a "feature" I meant to point out to Charles. That user is still in the DB, but you can't see it by clicking its avatar. It has to do with a funky character in its user name.

It's fixed. The same problem was happening with 'Maximu§' up above, and if you reload the page it will now be fine.

155 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:19pm

helllooo lizards. Go Phillies.

156 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:44:54pm

re: #133 Castlebravo

1. How do we call the media out on the carpet? Whether we win or lose, the duplicitous MSM is still there.
2. They will NOT acknowledge that they are in the tank for O/B.

There is so much that is broken, not sure how to fix. Where do we start? We have an unknown fraction of this country that thinks a handout is what they need.....as opposed to hand up. How big that fraction is will tell us how truly off the path to the city upon a hill we are.

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union. Might be easier to fix things state by state than try to fix the whole country at once ... have to break down the job into manageable portions.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:05pm

re: #141 wong fei hung

I think there was sarcasm implied in that statement, Wolfie. thanks for your defense though.

And for the record, no I don't think he's a stealth Muslim.

But he damn sure ain't a Christian. What Wright and Pfleger preach isn't Christianity. It's hate.

-WFH

Concur.

158 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:08pm

re: #85 Ozark Mountain Daredevil ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that one! Geez, in Wiki no less! LOL!

159 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:45:16pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union.


That didn't work out so well last time.

160 justadot  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:05pm

re: #134 Charles

Ha. You fixed it faster than I could I find the comment.

161 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:24pm

re: #155 empills

helllooo lizards. Go Phillies.

no, no, no
go BOTH TEAMS !


I wanna see 0bama interrupt the series with his informercial
it has to go to a 6th game for that

162 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:46:35pm

re: #151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Oldasdirt- But it's all starting to trickle out at the right time! If the election was next Tuesday, it wouldn't matter much.
But we've still got 13 days to go. Remember, the Bush DUI story came out (Via those evil Bush-supporting conservatives at Fox News) a few days before the 2000 election.

Right,,And how you doin Ozark Mountain Daredevil?
I'm feeling very good about this election now,I'm also Biden keeps talking!LOL

163 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:01pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Wait, I live in Illinois and it won't succeed --you-all are going to leave me?

Say it isn't so.

164 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #147 Syrah

I guess I misunderstood what was going on. Never mind.

165 dentate  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:06pm

re: #154 Charles

Have had some issues on the iPhone version of Safari when I hit "jump to bottom" in the comments and instead it goes back to the front page. Intermittent.

166 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:29pm

re: #120 Captkirk35

The guy's an urepetentent, communist/anarchist terrorist. But all Obama will do is repeat his stock answer to the inquiry, and the MSM will nod their heads and move on to Palin and her wardrobe. It's a lost cause (getting our message out, that is, not the election).

Has anyone sent this to Rush? Hannity? O'Reilly? Levin? Horowitz? Ingraham? Bruce?

Getting our message out is not a lost cause.

167 lostlakehiker  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:47:51pm

re: #145 ggt

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

Unfortunately, a policy of avoiding graduates from left-leaning universities is both unfair, and probably illegal. The policy is unfair because graduates from those schools in the hard disciplines already ran a gauntlet. Just by majoring in a real subject, they've defied their would-be indoctrinators. There is normally still a University plugging away inside these "Universities", if you know where to look.

It's probably illegal because your policy would have a disproportionate impact yadda yadda. You're on thin ground just trying to hire people who know a little something. That is a matter of business survival though, and if you can't do that without running afoul of the law, then you just have to do a John Galt and fold shop.

168 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:03pm

re: #163 ggt

You will still have the internet.

169 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:04pm

So remember that guy who responded to Zombie's link on the message board I visit saying "It's not like him and Ayers were playing golf every Tuesday."?

After I posted the National Review link detailing how they spent money..... he responds with this;

---------

I'm sorry, but that article makes a lot of assumptions, and we all know what happens when you assume. First, he assumes that all Afrocentric teachings are anti-american. I would very strongly disagree with that statement. Secondly, he assumes Carruthers’s techings at this group were centered on the anti-american theme. A lot of times, when people are teaching things at a conference, they will leave the more extremist things out (such as let's kill America) out. You save that sort of stuff for people who have bought into your other, more generally accepted teachings, before you bring out the big guns. So when they say he was a "hit" we don't know what he necessarily went over. We know what that man believed, but we don't know how much SSAVC bought in. And we're also assuming that Obama was all for the money going to these sites, even though it says that there was disention in the board - we're just assuming that Obama had the final say? There are just too many leaps in that article for me to take it seriously. His use of quotes mid sentence followed by assumptions are a very useful way of writing persuasively that he employs well. That style is meant to mislead without lying.

And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural.

I think that some of Obama's relationships are more that questionable, but those with Wright, Ayers, and now Carruthers, is a bit out of hand. The one with the one dude where there looks like there was bribery/favors? Absolutely. But this? Come on.

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What's the point.

170 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:05pm

re: #166 victor_yugo

I sent it to Rush.

171 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:11pm

re: #148 victor_yugo

I hear ya. I feel ya.

And we need to point these all the rest of their shit out. I've started posting moonbat tidbits on my Facebook 'What are you doing now' statement. The vast majority of our acquantances fall into Wittle's 'Sheep' metaphor. They don't have a clue, and we have to start getting the word out to the lay person what we're dealing with here.

172 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:15pm
173 Charles  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:48:22pm

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:49:10pm

re: #158 realwest

ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that one! Geez, in Wiki no less! LOL!

No problem! Like I said, for some reason one of the overnight open threads a couple of weeks ago was re-directed to music. I had always heard that Steve Miller made it up the word.

175 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:33pm

re: #110 Captkirk35
Respectfully Cap'n - a) no matter how much credibility I may lose because of my passion/temper it will never, EVER equal the total lack of credibility they start out with and
b) I'm only human, ya know?

176 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:37pm

Secession is a fascination idea, though a bit extreme. Probably the best shot at secession is having the South plus the border states (KY, TN, etc.) as well as TX leave the US -- of course, this is a wild idea.

Interestingly, secession is an idea championed by the left, too. I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede.

177 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:53pm

re: #145 ggt
I've already cancelled TIME, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated. I have told them, stop SOCIALIzing everything. Stop bashing everything American.

I get no response....except SI, who asked me if I was sure I wanted to cancel my subscription.

The bigger problem is the MSM is still out there: Courics, CNN, MSNBC, etc....and of course, if they lose (and God I pray they do), they will claim that the country is racist (which it's not), and completely ignore that fact that O/B lost because of their radical leftism. They will not recognize that. Pelosi won't, Reid won't, Hollywood will claim racism......WHY do they get to re-define words, history? language?

THere is a biggger cancer afflicting this country. You notice that the keepers of the public trust (Congress) had the 3 CEOs of the 3 Credit Bureaus on the hill today grilling them over credit scores given to MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities).....why the hell didn't somebody point out the fact that DEMOCRATS strong armed banks into giving loans to people that had no business getting loans? WHen are we going to see somebody of consequence (G. Bush?) put this rightfully where it belongs? I turn purple everytime I hear Barney Frank open his fat mouth. I want to call raines, and Gorelick, et al, and say, GIVE THE MONEY BACK!

We need somebody of consequence and balls to stand up and call the spade what it is............................

178 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:50:57pm

re: #173 Charles

Charles, knowing the Left and how they operate, can there be any doubt some of that crap is a conscious attempt to make LGF, and "the Right" look like zealots. I think not.

179 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:11pm

I'm not sure Obama is anything but a ambitious Ego driven individual. He'll align himself with whatever group that will facilitate his rise to power. He was born into the communist group and found lots of friends of that ilk to help him. When they are no longer helpful --under the bus they will go.

It will be interesting, if he gets the Oval Office, how long that lasts. The Secret Service and FBI will have something to say about with whom he associates.

He reminds me a lot of LBJ in the Ego respect.

180 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:12pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union. Might be easier to fix things state by state than try to fix the whole country at once ... have to break down the job into manageable portions.

A partition? Are you Joe Biden?

/kidding

181 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:43pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Read about the state of Jefferson sometime.
It would include the environs of Kilgore Trout, I think.

182 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:51:56pm

re: #156 Tigger2005
I will GLADLY put on a gray USMC uniform.

183 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:02pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

There a few Lizards who survived Ivy school, you know!

Rare reptiles, though.

184 a marine mom  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:12pm

Here's a random thought tonight.

It's been said over and over again that McCain is not running his campaign properly. I believe he is and that the MSM won't report it.

When reading all of the positive reports on Obama and looking at the reports on McCain and how overwhelming negative they are, how else are people going to see the two campaigns?

.

185 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:19pm

re: #114 Charles Holy shit, Charles - I sure hope you delete all of his comments or at least THAT ONE.
Talk about over the top.

186 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:37pm

re: #167 lostlakehiker

Ah, there has to be a way to do it. --anyway, I was thinking more of journalism students.

187 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:42pm

re: #175 realwest

No disrespect taken. Like I said, I'd rather lose my temper and make my point than slink away and let them own the joint.

188 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:49pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

A partition? Are you Joe Biden?

/kidding

We already have them. They're called "state lines".

189 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:52:55pm

re: #156 Tigger2005

Technically, the Constitution still permits states to secede from the Union.

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

190 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:16pm

re: #181 rawmuse

Read about the state of Jefferson sometime.
It would include the environs of Kilgore Trout, I think.

Isn't that northern CA?

191 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:27pm

re: #168 empills

hopefully.

192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:53:50pm

re: #162 Oldasdirt

Right,,And how you doin Ozark Mountain Daredevil?
I'm feeling very good about this election now,I'm also Biden keeps talking!LOL

I have my tickets to see Sarah friday morning. It's one of the nice things about being unemployed. I mean self-employed. (/Thought I was an Obama supporter for a second!)

Joe Biden- he's like the "jam of the month club"- The gift that keeps on giving!

How have you been?

193 wong fei hung  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:03pm

re: #138 Captkirk35

I could give a damn what the left thinks. The left craps on Christianity every chance it gets anyhow. IMHO, Barack Obama does not comport himself like a Christian. He's never repudiated one statement referring to him as a "messiah", or one painting or photo with a halo around his head, or any of that nonsense. Nor do I believe anyone associated with Trinity Church or St. Sabina's, who listens to and embraces the garbage these "pastors" spew, is terribly Christian. The Pflegers and Wrights of this world are the people that John Lewis should liken to George Wallace. Not John McCain. Those "pastors" are racial separatists. Their real God is $$$. And they are vile.

-WFH

194 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:04pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

The 0Bamatons are the ultimate apologists. In their world, everything he's ever done can be easily rationalized and explained away. The unvarnished truth is an afterthought, for them.

195 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:08pm

re: #187 Captkirk35

You're a poet and you didn't even know it!

(Well, maybe you did.)

196 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:32pm

re: #189 Opilio

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

Not sure of the remaining legalities, but it was the half the reason the civial war started.

197 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:54:42pm

re: #114 Charles

I've reviewed the comments posted by 'odinga' and this one's account is history.

This comment sealed it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wishing death on a political candidate... what a fanatic. Thank you Charles, some people simply should not be allowed to join polite and civilized conversations. Well done...

198 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

"And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural."

I think that is the most racist statement I've heard in a long time.

199 Penguinchic  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #184 a marine mom

I agree. I even got fed up with Fox News because the news they were reporting were stating poll numbers that were basically a statistical tie and then moaning about how far behind McCain was and how can his campaign make up the difference so he can win the election. How is that reporting the news when they are trying to make a news story of poll numbers? And this is the news channel that at least usually does report fair and balanced news, but seems to have slipped for a few days.

200 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Secession is a fascination idea, though a bit extreme. Probably the best shot at secession is having the South plus the border states (KY, TN, etc.) as well as TX leave the US -- of course, this is a wild idea.

Interestingly, secession is an idea championed by the left, too. I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede.

How 'bout we trade California and New York to Canada for BC, Alberta, Sask., and a province to be named later.

201 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:55:46pm

Doh. civial=civil

202 Moe Katz  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:14pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

moonbats in VT .

One of my favorite old tunes.

Pennies in a stream,
Falling leaves, a sycamore..
Moonbats in Vermont.

203 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:16pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Isn't that northern CA?

I just looked it up -- you're right! Northern CA and southern Oregon including beautiful Coos country. Hmmmm.

Perhaps if people increasingly self-sort into red and blue states, the country could inch toward division.

204 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:56:56pm

re: #139 Cartman Yeah, but Ritchie was always too "soft" for me; I also think Still's band Mannassas was one of the most under-rated bands around. They played everyhing from real hard rock, to Country and Western, to Latio, to cajun style to you name it and they did it all pretty well, too!

205 Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:20pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

I've been getting SI for going on 35 years now. I too am about to give up. A once-fine magazine should now be dubbed PCSI - Politically Correct Sports Illustrated.

206 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:24pm

re: #172 ploome hineni

The party has moved sooooooo far to the left, enough to elect leaders who are lefties. The rest just have to go along, I guess.

207 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:33pm

re: #6 nigella

Really impressed that Zombie could uncover this book and other Conservatives didn't. Good work Zombie! On another issue, what do you make of these crazy Polls?

This may have already been answered, but here's what Zombie makes of all these crazy polls.

208 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:44pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

Cascadia.

Silliness can be fun.

209 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:57:50pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

That would be us, with our vote. I think there is going to be some changes in Congress this time around.

210 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:00pm

re: #196 spirochete

Not sure of the remaining legalities, but it was the half the reason the civial war started.

Article 4, section 3 speaks of states being admitted to the union.

211 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:31pm

re: #192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm ok, Thanks .Moving to my new house,which sux.I am retired now and down sizing my living quarters.Smaller house.

212 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:36pm

re: #177 Castlebravo

I actually took the time to write to a national magazine (I won't say which one) a writer at the mag actually, calling him on bias and not only did he email me back but the editor in chief did too, to try denying my points.

These "people" seriously think they are right, righteous and right-on.
Savage is still right, it is a mental disorder.

And the next issue had the same writer with his same b.s.

this time, I won't bother calling him/them on it

I think their college professors REALLY brainwashed them

213 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:58:39pm

Funny thing tonight:

I've gotten a couple hits on my website from people who, judging by their Google queries, have pretty low opinions of Margaret Atwood.

214 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:32pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Isn't that northern CA?

yes, near the Oregon border
outside Yreka

215 surfinbrant  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 9:59:35pm

re: #207 gmsc

The polls simply cannot be viewed with any credibility.

216 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:02pm

All the talk about riots if Obama loses has prompted the following:
The media should shoulder the blame for incitement. All of their glowing reports and articles for Obama and the negative hit pieces on McCain and Palin, coupled with the majority of polls showing Obama with moderate to huge leads will have convinced many that an Obama defeat could only come about through fraud. As tight as the race is a McCain victory is likely to be by the slimmest of margins, which will lead to more claims of a stolen election.

217 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:16pm

re: #107 Syrah

It's about frigging time in a "closing the barn door after all the horses have run off" kind of way.

Someday in the far off future, we will have a Republican Party with leaders who understand that the opposition wants to bury us, not get along with us. (I can dream can't I?)

I think Boehner has finally reached the end of his rope. Add the "investigation" of Dodd (which I dont think the MSM reported) and we may be on to something here.

218 Karridine  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:23pm

re: #198 ggt

"And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural."

I think that is the most racist statement I've heard in a long time.

And the commenter does NOT SEE the racist content of his comments!

/No irony here... move along now...

219 JeremiahRight  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:30pm

re: #189 Opilio

Forgive my ignorance, but does some portion of the Constitution actually address the subject of secession? Or does it permit it by virtue of not forbidding it?

here's a good article that explains both sides of the argument:
Does the Constitution Permit the Blue States to Secede?

one quote: "The U.S. Constitution does not expressly recognize or deny a right of secession. "

220 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:00:30pm

re: #189 Opilio

Um, I think that the Consititution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

221 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #205 Cartman

I've been getting SI for going on 35 years now. I too am about to give up. A once-fine magazine should now be dubbed PCSI - Politically Correct Sports Illustrated.

That would be MPCSI - Mostly Politically Correct Sports Illustrated - they still publish the swimsuit issue, don't they? Sometimes the women are even wearing swimsuits.

222 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #169 TheMatrix31

So remember that guy who responded to Zombie's link on the message board I visit saying "It's not like him and Ayers were playing golf every Tuesday."?

After I posted the National Review link detailing how they spent money..... he responds with this;
---------
And as far as Obama being attracted to Wrights African centered sermons, well of course he was. He's a black man in Chicago! Of course he's going to be drawn to that sort of thing. It's only natural.
-------

What's the point.


Perhaps he is going to be DRAWN to it, but what on earth made him sit there for 20 years, have the guy marry him and baptize his kids, etc? Oprah-ma, supposedly attended Wright's church for a short time, then got the hell out of there.

You can lead a horse to water. . .

223 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:25pm

re: #216 solomonpanting

All the talk about riots if Obama loses has prompted the following:
The media should shoulder the blame for incitement. All of their glowing reports and articles for Obama and the negative hit pieces on McCain and Palin, coupled with the majority of polls showing Obama with moderate to huge leads will have convinced many that an Obama defeat could only come about through fraud. As tight as the race is a McCain victory is likely to be by the slimmest of margins, which will lead to more claims of a stolen election.


yes but recall 2000
Gore tried litigating the election
and folks from the right took time off work
to counter-protest
virtually unheard of

this time, the vitriol is much worse
both sides will really be wound up

it's up to the media to STFU and not incite it like they did in 1991

224 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:25pm

re: #208 Syrah

Cascadia.

Silliness can be fun.

Hmm. linky no worky.

Here is the main website. It has a link on the front page to the Cascadia page.

(Hopefully the link-gods will be more permissive with this link.)

225 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:29pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Article 4, section 3 speaks of states being admitted to the union.

And the terms are laid out in the rest of the Constitution.

When those terms are no longer agreeable, a state should be able to secede. However, what prevents this is that the resulting conditions after secession would be even worse. Could you imagine South Dakota as an independent nation, trying to set up international relations, commerce, border control, and all that? In any realistic scenario, it would be a nightmare.

226 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:02:42pm

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

227 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #215 surfinbrant

The polls are credible and reflect the biased reporting from the major media houses. If you disregard all the misdeeds of one party and magnify tiny mis-steps by another day after day, then the publics opinion will be influenced.
This is what the polls are reflecting, believe them.

228 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:09pm

re: #220 ggt

Um, I think that the Consititution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are NOT within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

pimf correction in bold.

229 looking closely  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:04:37pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

This is just sheer idiocy. If there is a better way to ruin the stock market and piss off every working voter in the country with one stroke, its hard to imagine it.

230 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:06pm

Zzzzzzzzzz......getting late here. Work tomorrow.
Goodnight all!

231 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:07pm

re: #176 hermeneutics
Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

232 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:23pm

re: #223 Adrenalyn

it's up to the media to STFU and not incite it like they did in 1991

? ? 1991 ? ?

233 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:38pm

re: #227 shanec99

The polls are credible and reflect the biased reporting from the major media houses. If you disregard all the misdeeds of one party and magnify tiny mis-steps by another day after day, then the publics opinion will be influenced.
This is what the polls are reflecting, believe them.

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

234 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:47pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

Elimination of a "tax brake" = Imposition of a Tax Increase.

The NewSpeak must not go unchallenged.

235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:54pm

re: #211 Oldasdirt

I'm ok, Thanks .Moving to my new house,which sux.I am retired now and down sizing my living quarters.Smaller house.

Crap, sorry to hear that. I just bought a house, a custom built log home, that's been on the market here for 16 months, for $50K less than the original selling price, and I got them to include the 20 acres of land they wanted $50K more for in addition to the 5 acres included in the price. So I got the 20 acres for free.

236 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:05:57pm

re: #219 JeremiahRight

Looking at a state like Michigan,they could not afford to break away from the union,after 50 years of demon-crats tearing down that state.They need money from Conservative run states to keep going.

237 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:02pm

re: #232 Opilio

? ? 1991 ? ?

Rodney King riots
guessing at the year though, to be honest

238 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:05pm

re: #225 victor_yugo

And the terms are laid out in the rest of the Constitution.

When those terms are no longer agreeable, a state should be able to secede. However, what prevents this is that the resulting conditions after secession would be even worse. Could you imagine South Dakota as an independent nation, trying to set up international relations, commerce, border control, and all that? In any realistic scenario, it would be a nightmare.

I'm reading wikipedia on seceding now. Interesting read, here's the URL: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The money quote: Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 5–3 decision that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

It doesn't appear that any significant cases have since altered the SC's decision.

239 wolfie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:08pm

re: #222 looking closely

Or, as Dorothy Parker said:

You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think.

goodnight for real...................

240 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:06:51pm

re: #236 Oldasdirt

Looking at a state like Michigan,they could not afford to break away from the union,after 50 years of demon-crats tearing down that state.They need money from Conservative run states to keep going.

yes, and speak of the devil

California is one of those states about to ask for a bailout

241 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:07:20pm

re: #205 Cartman
....If I may be so bold, what do you mean "about to give it up?" 6 months into my subscription I was thinking the only thing this mag is good for is the bottom of my parakeet cage......

242 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:01pm

re: #134 Charles

I fixed the problem with the profiles -- apparently the old, deprecated Javascript 'escape' function still works better than 'encodeURIComponent' for some things.

Charles,

Please keep in mind that innocent lizards like me check the same account from two different locations (work and home), so please try not to sweep folks like me up with the stinky sock puppets, OK?

243 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:17pm

What would happen if a large block of independent business people simply refused to send their quarterly taxes in?

Not the FICA, payroll, sales tax etc, but the actually taxes on earnings? or just sent what they thought they should owe.

How would the IRS/Gov't deal with hundreds of thousands of non-compliant citizens?

Anyone working for someone else wouldn't be able to protest in such a manner.

244 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:41pm

re: #212 Adrenalyn
did you counter, or did you just ignore, under the rule of "when arguing with fools....."?

245 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:08:59pm

re: #231 realwest

Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

246 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:26pm

re: #233 Adrenalyn

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

They were right in 2000... that the election would be close.

They were also right in 2004... and Pres Bush overcame a lead and trounced John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry.

247 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:26pm

re: #238 hermeneutics
Then we secede under duress.

248 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:28pm

re: #220 ggt

Um, I think that the Constitution was written to limit the Federal Government's powers. So, States, technically are [not] within it's scope.

Or at least, that's what I heard someone say. . . .

(fixed per later comment)

Look at the Tenth Amendment. Whatever is not explicitly reserved to the Federal government, or denied to the States, is allowed for the States or the People. It's the bow on top of the box of governments' powers and citizens' liberty.

Without that amendment, most of the Founding Fathers were opposed to the Bill of Rights in general, fearing it would become the "grantor of rights" rather than a rein upon government.

249 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:46pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ok, don't fall into that trap. It wasn't free --you are paying for it. You got a good price --but the seller didn't give you anything.

Feel good about the incredible deal you got.

250 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:09:50pm

re: #115 Eagle

re: #231 realwest

Uh, respectfully, we fought a war amongst ourselves over that and over SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN MEN WERE KILLED in that war.
I don't EVER want to see that happen again.
And, uh, "I recently read about moonbats in VT who want that state to secede." THOSE folks I wish a lot of luck to! Uh, er, I mean, no, no it'd be wrong if we were to lose VT as a State cause they give us so much, uh. Hmmm. I'll get back to you on that one!

Ski hills? Proximity to Quebec? Rest stops for us Canadians driving to New Brunswick without paying Cdn. gas prices?

251 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:10:14pm

re: #233 Adrenalyn

well, how right were they in 2000 and 2004 ?

At this time in the 2000 race, CNN had Gore up 11 points over Bush.

Oh, and in 1980, Jimmy Carter was 8 points ahead of Ronald Reagan with 2 weeks to go.

252 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:04pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

It would have to be a threesome, though: there's nothing joining MA, VT, NH, MI, MN, RI, DE to the west coast.

253 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #241 Castlebravo

....If I may be so bold, what do you mean "about to give it up?" 6 months into my subscription I was thinking the only thing this mag is good for is the bottom of my parakeet cage......


and the rest of my sentence got blocked out because of the bold, underlin, italics, quotes, whatever.....

I reminded myself to go get a parakeet....JUST to poop on the magazine I wanted to cancel my subscriptions to.

254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:32pm

re: #239 wolfie

Or, as Dorothy Parker said:

You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think.

goodnight for real...................

That 's a good way to end the night, leaving 'em laughing. On that note, I'm going to check out as well. Till, tomorrow...

255 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:11:35pm

re: #241 Castlebravo

What percentage of the "so-called" wealthy live and do business in Califorinia? In the Marxist Utopia--they would be paying for the illegal immigrants.

256 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #249 ggt

Ok, don't fall into that trap. It wasn't free --you are paying for it. You got a good price --but the seller didn't give you anything.

Feel good about the incredible deal you got.

Ok...Like when the hotel you're staying offers free breakfasts each morning and free cocktails and appetizers at 5pm. You're still paying for those also.

257 Mardukhai  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #238 hermeneutics

In fact, the founding fathers never intended to allow secession. Take a look at the Articles of Confederation. It's "permanent."

258 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:32pm

re: #244 Castlebravo

did you counter, or did you just ignore, under the rule of "when arguing with fools....."?

actually, I did it on a lark
wrote a letter to the editor
and using skills acquired here and in life
I refuted a few citations and hit "send"

to my surprise they came back with a very comprehensive rebuttal

as if no one ever called them on something
and/or no one ever used facts, links, proof

they were shocked I tell ya !

just to be safe, I strengthened perimeter defenses at the compound
in case they want to pay me a visit

259 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:33pm

re: #235 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Dang good deal buddy,Happy for ya.
I'm going into a smaller house cause it's cheaper,and with the wife gone,and all kids grown and on there own,just didn't need a big ol house to paint and keep up with.I'm at the age where I got a little hitch in my get-along.

260 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:12:42pm

re: #255 ggt

I don't know what percentage, GGT....look up the rest of my intended passage in 253.

261 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:13pm

re: #246 shanec99

They were right in 2000... that the election would be close.

They were also right in 2004... and Pres Bush overcame a lead and trounced John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry.

disagree
they called it before and DURING the election itself
and called it wrong

262 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:30pm

re: #258 Adrenalyn
Using a single strand of barbed wire works....then they claim GITMO redux

263 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:33pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer.

For better or worse, climate and economics are causing my (and your) formerly red state (Arizona) to get increasingly purple-ish red. Me no like.

264 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #256 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

yep --I call it communist-creep.

Like when the car dealer (used to) throw in the floor mats. yeah . . .

265 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:14:39pm

re: #251 gmsc

At this time in the 2000 race, CNN had Gore up 11 points over Bush.

Oh, and in 1980, Jimmy Carter was 8 points ahead of Ronald Reagan with 2 weeks to go.

I bow, sweep with a flourish a big thank you with this
laurel
and hearty welcome

266 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:01pm

re: #238 hermeneutics

The Court held in a 5–3 decision that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

And when a state no longer recognizes the authority of any United States Federal power, having run out all federal employees on all levels, how will they enforce it? By turning Army guns on the people and forcing them to return to US citizenship or die? Smart move, that. It would only give rise to an inherent contradiction, on par with people who whine about how oppressive the government is while retaining their liberty to do so.

267 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:03pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

There's a group caller-id -ing themselves Pubserv 2008 making "survey" calls out of the 703 area code.

One of the questions is, "Did you know Obama is a Muslim?"

Apparently, according to a lefty site, these calls have been traced to a group called Americans in Contact PAC.

268 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:15:14pm

A bit OT, but still interesting ...
[Link: www.zogby.com...]
July 23, 2008
Middlebury Institute/Zogby Poll
UTICA, New York -One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.
The level of support for the right of secession was consistent in every region in the country, though the percentage was slightly higher in the South (26%) and the East (24%). The figures were also consistent for every age group, but backing was strongest among younger adults, as 40% among those age 18 to 24 and 24% among those age 25 to 34 agreed states and regions have secession rights.

Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably secede.
Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept. Among the very liberal the support was only slightly less enthusiastic - 28% said they favored such a right. Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.

Asked whether they would support a secessionist movement in their own state, 18% said they would, with those in the South most likely to say they would back such an effort. In the South, 24% said they would support such an effort, while 15% in the West and Midwest said the same. Here, too, younger adults were more likely than older adults to be supportive - 35% of those under age 30 would support secession in their state, compared to just 17% of those over age 65. Among African Americans, 33% said they would support secession, compared to just 15% of white adults. The more education a respondent had, the less likely they were to support secession - as 38% of those with less than a high school diploma would support it, compared to just 10% of those with a college degree.

To gauge the extent to which support for secession comes from a sense that the nation's current system is not working, a separate question was asked about agreement that "the United States' system is broken and cannot be fixed by traditional two-party politics and elections." Nearly half of respondents agreed with this statement, with 27% who somewhat agree and 18% who strongly agree.

The telephone poll, conducted by Zogby International, included 1,209 American adult respondents. It was conducted July 9-13, 2008, and carries a margin of error of +/- 2.9 per cent.

269 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:11pm

re: #253 Castlebravo

I reminded myself to go get a parakeet....JUST to poop on the magazine I wanted to cancel my subscriptions to.

A real life "Just Poop" bird!

270 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:15pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and Jerome Corsi and Larry Johnson's other stupid ugly rumors, have done an enormous amount of damage to the McCain campaign. I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff:

TV Station Political Analyst Dismisses Then Takes Seriously Questions About Obama Birth Certificate

271 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:26pm

re: #260 Castlebravo

I wish I had time to do all the research I'd like to do. Life has a way of interefereing --LOL

272 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:16:50pm

re: #262 Castlebravo

Using a single strand of barbed wire works....then they claim GITMO redux

please, please, please
don't get me started

I pride myself on cleverness
and would not want to give away my secrets

diabolical.....mu ha ha ha


but when I go camping I setup a simple fishing line "plus"
perimeter alarm/repellant
I go deep in the woods......

273 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:23pm

re: #261 Adrenalyn

Check Zogby... he was right.

In 2000 the race was close and Pres bush succeded based on the Electorial college, not popular vote... please remember... it was too close to call right up to the end.

In 2004 when Pres Bush won, the polls said he would, but they blamed it on the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.

274 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:17:41pm

re: #251 gmsc

The 2000 poll with Gore up by 11 was dated Oct 2-4, a good three weeks before today.

275 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:04pm

The concept that it is within the scope of a states right to secede from the union wasn't even on the table when the nation was being formed. This debate took place before the Constitution was even drafted, in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. In the end, a limited Federal government was decided upon. If states had the right to arbitrarily decide to buck the rest of the union when they didn't get their way, we never would have had a union, but a confederacy. The formation of the union was meant to be 'permanent'.

276 RTLM  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:13pm

re: #226 WKSNL

What's up with the story about the House Dems considering changing 401(k) rules? My head is spinning...

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

...but I think I can still right my aim if need be...

They would like to do us like Argentina. /A bastion of sound banking practices.

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez on Tuesday sent a bill to Congress to nationalize the country's private pension system.
277 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:15pm

re: #261 Adrenalyn

disagree
they called it before and DURING the election itself
and called it wrong

I wonder is MSM will pull the same stunts this year but only SOONER. I remember them calling Florida for Gore at around 7pm EST and the polls werent closed yet.

278 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:18:29pm

re: #210 hermeneutics
In 1868 an interesting case was brought before the SCOTUS. It was Texas vs. White and the case had to do with some bonds that were given to Texas prior to the Civil War. After the war the state of Texas tried to recover money from the sale of bonds made during the war. In their decision the SCOTUS brought to the table an interesting question "Did Texas, in consecuence of these acts, cease to be a State? Or, if not, did the State cease to be a member of the Union?" To Answer this: "The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. [74 U.S. 700, 726] When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law." The result: "Our conclusion therefore is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred. And this conclusion, in our judgment, is not in conflict with any act or declaration of any department of the National government, but entirely in accordance with the whole series of such acts and declarations since the first outbreak of the rebellion. "

279 Wilderstad  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:00pm

re: #145 ggt

Cancel Cable. Don't buy their sh!t. Vote with your wallet.

Don't send your children to Communist univerisites, don't hire graduates from same universities. Stop contributing to alumni funds of said universities.

Pay attention to where your money goes. Research charities, etc.

Vote with your wallet.

I would add, tell the product advertisers in that time slot why you won't be watching that network and their commercials.

280 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:19:10pm

re: #259 Oldasdirt

Dang good deal buddy,Happy for ya.
I'm going into a smaller house cause it's cheaper,and with the wife gone,and all kids grown and on there own,just didn't need a big ol house to paint and keep up with.I'm at the age where I got a little hitch in my get-along.

Crud, I've only got me, my dog and my cats, since my ex and I split up. Weird thing is I moved here from Phoenix, and I live in a town of 6000 in southwest Missouri that has more livestock than people, and my company is one of the biggest developers of banking-related software in the world.

281 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:01pm

re: #269 victor_yugo
You're welcome!

282 ggt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:20:32pm

Well, Lizards, it's time for me to sleep.

weet dreams all!

283 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:31pm

re: #273 shanec99

Check Zogby... he was right.

In 2000 the race was close and Pres bush succeded based on the Electorial college, not popular vote... please remember... it was too close to call right up to the end.

In 2004 when Pres Bush won, the polls said he would, but they blamed it on the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.

gah !
I hope I am not feeding a troll
Bush won the popular vote too
for example
some overseas ballots were not counted
millions of absentee ballots were not counted
absentees vote republican
for example, in California alone Bush lost by something like 4 million votes
so they never bothered counting 1.5 million absentee
if he got 2/3 that is 1,000,000
supposedly Gore "won" by 300,000

do the math


won't even get into the vote fraud
cases which ended in prosecution and convictions of DEMOCRATS

284 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:35pm

re: #268 hermeneutics

I posted a link to this up at the top of this thread. It seems appropriate to post it again.

Public Opinion Research - An Honorable Profession, Warts and All
by Harry W. O'Neill

Points 1 and 3 may be relevant to that Zogby poll.

285 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:21:57pm

re: #263 Opilio

For better or worse, climate and economics are causing my (and your) formerly red state (Arizona) to get increasingly purple-ish red. Me no like.

It angers me that liberal Californians (no insult to you, CA Lizards, only for your liberal confreres) move to NV and AZ after screwing up their own state. They want lower taxes and fewer regulations. Good enough.

But why their political inclinations don't change with the change in address simply boggles my mind. If one is smart enough to relocate your company in AZ because it is a "friendly business state" they why the heck can't they recognize that "friendliness" = conservatism?

286 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:22:44pm

re: #268 hermeneutics

Texas has had some talk of secession if the ONE wins.But I still have faith in all American people.The Demon-crats have tried to dumb our school children down,but I still think enough good Americans see The One for what he is.
I would say what I think he is,but am trying to not use curse typing tonight.

287 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:09pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

gah !
I hope I am not feeding a troll

My two cents...you are. ;)

288 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:14pm

re: #285 hermeneutics

The more conservatives leave, the more liberals remain behind to keep screwing things up.

289 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #173 Charles

The idiots who've been promoting this 'birth certificate' nonsense, and... I'm really disgusted with this crap, and zero tolerance for it starts now.

re: #270 gmsc

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff...

Interesting play.

Quoting Charles' post decrying Obama's birth certificate nonsense at the top of a post in which you link to a story about Obama's birth certificate nonsense.

290 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:23:59pm

real,
Vermont Maple Syrup.
;)

291 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:10pm

re: #278 empills

The result: "Our conclusion therefore is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred. And this conclusion, in our judgment, is not in conflict with any act or declaration of any department of the National government, but entirely in accordance with the whole series of such acts and declarations since the first outbreak of the rebellion. "

Excellent research!

I suppose this means that today's secessionists = revolutionists.

292 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:24pm

re: #277 Bos2112

I wonder is MSM will pull the same stunts this year but only SOONER. I remember them calling Florida for Gore at around 7pm EST and the polls werent closed yet.

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

293 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:24:46pm

LOL @ Fox11 here in LA

"The economy and ____ are issues, but it appears two more issues came up today-- Sarah Palin's expenditures"

OH YEAH?! WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM AYERS BEING A MURDEROUS COMMUNIST?!

294 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:04pm

re: #285 hermeneutics

It angers me that liberal Californians (no insult to you, CA Lizards, only for your liberal confreres) move to NV and AZ after screwing up their own state. They want lower taxes and fewer regulations. Good enough.

But why their political inclinations don't change with the change in address simply boggles my mind. If one is smart enough to relocate your company in AZ because it is a "friendly business state" they why the heck can't they recognize that "friendliness" = conservatism?

indeed, after the Oakland fire of 1991
thousands of liberals from Oakland moved to conservative Contra Costa County

soon, Bill Baker lost his house seat to the vile Ellen Tauscher
who I can say from first person experience, is indeed vile
because of the liberal influx who wanted a place to live
and also a nice, safe place to live
but they would not adapt, they forced "change"

argh ! there is that word again........

295 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:25:06pm

re: #270 gmsc

Here's yet another bizarre twist in this birth certificate stuff:

TV Station Political Analyst Dismisses Then Takes Seriously Questions About Obama Birth Certificate

Barack Obama was at Roswell. I knew it! I knew it!
////

296 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:07pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

you're merely hinting on the malignancy that is already infecting some unknown fraction of OUR country (how much, we'll see on Nov 5 (at the soonest)).

The media is still the source of the malignancy: to report on Governor Palin's (notice they don't call her Governor? Not unlike how Dr. Condoleeza Rice is just "Condoleeza Rice"? No mention of her PhD credentials, at all!@! It's NOT Governor Palin, but Ms. Palin.....NOT Mrs. Palin (wife of Todd)?

See my point! These people are off the edge.....

297 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:40pm

re: #292 JustMyView

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

298 Adrenalyn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #287 WKSNL

My two cents...you are. ;)

and you know, I try to play nice
but in spite of my best effort to contain it....
at times I get deleted

I better sign off and get some work done before bed


good night all

299 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:26:57pm

re: #266 victor_yugo

Doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a 'legal' seccession. In this scenario it's not a seccession but a rebellion, and an attempt to carve a new nation out of the territory of the US. The fact that it might be drawn along the same lines of an existing state, and invoke its name would be mostly coincidental.

300 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:05pm

re: #290 Irene NYC

real,
Vermont Maple Syrup.
;)

I prefer Canadian maple syrup.

/At least they're not commies like the people of Vermont.

301 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:23pm

When will they ever learn
When will they e-e-e-e-v-e-r learn?

302 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:27pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Exactly what I was thinking. I decided weeks ago that Penn was the state I'm watching before going to bed that night.

303 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:55pm

re: #245 hermeneutics

I agree, Realwest, but there may be a time in the far future when Americans of different ideologies simply can't stand each other and sort, geographically, by state. It is happening, now, on a red - blue basis. Conservatives are flocking to red states -- liberals to blue states. The red states are getting redder; blues are getting bluer. Projecting into the future, it is imaginable that the reds and the blues simply vote to go their separate ways.

Less a war than a divorce.

I'd support it if any hypothetical union of "red" states explicitly defines and outlaws Socialism and Communism by name, establishes capitalism, liberty, and the rule of law as the official system, and explicitly encourages integration instead of balkanization for all immigrants. That alone would nip most of our problems in the bud right there. Deny the Victimhood peddlers a toehold, tell the Reds to stay on their side of the fence, crush Jacobinism into the dust of history where it belongs, and make sure that LIBERTY is made valuable, not just "Freedom". Freedom can be redefined and channeled, Liberty cannot.

You'd need a Jefferson to pull it off without screwing everything up, but maybe someday it'll happen. Sooner than we think, probably, if Zero becomes President and crashes the economy like he seems to want.

I had a cab driver tell me "Man, I think there's gonna be a war!" almost ten years ago. This was a cabbie in Boston. When the cabbies start worrying about civil war, you know something big is stirring.

304 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:27:56pm

re: #293 TheMatrix31

LOL @ Fox11 here in LA

"The economy and ____ are issues, but it appears two more issues came up today-- Sarah Palin's expenditures"

OH YEAH?! WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM AYERS BEING A MURDEROUS COMMUNIST?!

That info about Ayers is hardly news if one really knows him

305 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:01pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Good point. I am so anxious to see if we will know by the time VA and PA are done. I live in WA.

306 Penguinchic  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:32pm

Is there something that I haven't learned about moonbats in that they ignore the 10th amendment and see everything on a national level or is it that after the civil war the 10th amendment lost its importance?

307 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:38pm

re: #296 Castlebravo
HEll, I got so mad writing, not at you (mind you) but the MSM gets wrapped around the axle about how much money the RNC spent on GOVERNOR Palin's clothes, but won't cover Bimbo's mention of "FDR's going on TV after the crash of the Stockmarket to calm people down........."

I paraphrase that last.

308 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:28:39pm

re: #298 Adrenalyn

Good night.

309 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:29:18pm

re: #283 Adrenalyn

If... that is a big if... you are speculating.

Based on the votes that were counted, our President lost the popular vote. He is still our President because the electoral college not the popular vote decides who will be President. Our founders in thier wisdom decided that even small region of the nation would be able to impact election and came up with the electoral college. Thank God they did.

310 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:29:36pm

re: #245 hermeneutics
Well I do understand what you're saying, but - and again keep in mind that I can't see into the future at all(!) I don't think so.
First of all, those of us who get onto political blogs (of both sides) tend to get wrapped up in things that probably 80% of the population doesn't know about and even if they did, wouldn't care about.
Secondly, and most importantly, we Red Staters don't have any sort of monopoly on great leaders - remember that that assholehat Jimmy Carter was a Red Stater. And, together, as Americans, we have waaay more that unites us than that which divides us. Probably more troops from NYC and California served in Iraq and Afghanistan than from any other 4 states of the Union. Could a divorce happen - maybe. But I sure hope not. Obama is a divider of the first order - compared to him (and to a lot of Republican candidates for POTUS) Kerry and Gore were sane, sensible people.
I truly think that Obama, more than any other candidate in my lifetime (and I personally remember over 12 presidential campaigns) has divided this country by race, by socialism vs. capitalism, by male vs. female by damn near any kind of comparison you could make.
And I and all of my male ancestors (except for some who fought for the Confederacy) were proud to serve The United States of America. The line, alas, ends with me but I truly hope and expect that we remain the United States of America forever.

311 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:07pm

re: #195 victor_yugo

Thanks for that.. it does sound a bit poetic after re-reading it :}

312 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:08pm

re: #302 spirochete

Exactly what I was thinking. I decided weeks ago that Penn was the state I'm watching before going to bed that night.

If he takes PA and keeps VA and NC, I think it's over. McC has a hard time winning without it. At one point about a month ago, all he needed to do was hold the ones that were red in the polls and throw in PA plus one of either MI, MN, or the twosome of MO/CO to win... before the freefall poll bias.

313 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:30:43pm

re: #288 victor_yugo

Yes, and maybe it will reach a tipping point. What this could look like, one could only guess.

I really don't believe in or advocate secession, but it is interesting to muse over and increasingly possible as our nation becomes ideologically polarized.

I see it as a long-term possibility IF and only IF red and blue citizens SELF-SORT GEOGRAPHICALLY.

The example above of liberal CAs moving to AZ and NV because of their friendly business climate and retaining their liberal political beliefs is movement counter to that of ideological self-sorting.

Conversely, families who consciously choose to move to low-tax or educationally free states sort ideologically.

If one trend is much stronger than the other, then the reds and the blues could, conceivably, go their separate ways. Again, I see it as a divorce, not a civil war; a realization that the country has irreconcilable differences with geographical boundaries.

314 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:10pm

re: #292 JustMyView

What I've been reading is that they'll call the states as the polls close, but not the election until the polls close on the West Coast. Problem is that, even w/o calling the election, the outcome may be known. For instance, if McCain were to lose both Virginia and North Carolina--two previously red states--it would be almost impossible for him to win. So, even w/o calling the election, the outcome would be known.

Would you give it a rest? You're a lib for Obama. Most of us know that. Go post over at Kos...Look up the meaning of the word annoying. But I'll give you credit for being polite despite your stupidity.

315 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:33pm

re: #299 scion9 Read my post #278 on Texas vs White the ruling was on the secession or rebellion as it was called by SCOTUS. The Union never saw the Southern States as successionists but rebels.

316 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:40pm

re: #304 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That info about Ayers is hardly news if one really knows him

**sigh**

It's too bad too. Why does anyone give a damn about campaign expenditures anyway? They're all rich, they're all politicians. Of course they're going to spend money on luxurious things. That's just what happens.

317 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:42pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Right, if McCain were to win PA, there'd be much less certainty about what the outcome would be. But Obama has more ways to win than McCain does. He could lose PA and still win.

318 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:31:56pm

re: #297 Badge of Kaffir Pride

But there's this question: if McC wins PA can the same thing be said in reverse?

Absolutely not. IIRC, they waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, to call Ohio in 2004. Because once they did, they had to admit that they lost.

319 Racer X  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:32:30pm

Impeach Obama.

Type into your browser "impeachobama.com" and see what happens.

320 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:10pm

re: #295 Oldasdirt

Barack Obama was at Roswell. I knew it! I knew it!
////

Have any of the tinfoil hat sites started to claim that Obama is a reptilian alien yet? There are websites where people post photos that supposedly show how guys like Bush & Tony Blair are really lizard aliens wearing human masks. I'm wondering how the crazies*** are handling Obama's media presence.

*** not fringe whackos like Ronulans, or garden-variety Obamatons, I mean CRAZY crazies, like "chemtrails and UFOs" crazy.

321 Semi Cartman  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:33:25pm

re: #173 Charles

And we can't just say 'Hillary started it!' any more. I have a bad feeling about this stuff.

322 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:34:41pm

re: #317 JustMyView

Right, if McCain were to win PA, there'd be much less certainty about what the outcome would be. But Obama has more ways to win than McCain does. He could lose PA and still win.

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of your butt.

If Zero loses PA, he loses the election.

323 YankeeBoy  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:35:50pm

Lizards of the night like real country music.

just might be a driveby..kinda late...but I'll try to stick around long enouph to get flack for my taste in music.

324 spirochete  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:35:52pm

re: #319 Racer X

Impeach Obama.

Type into your browser "impeachobama.com" and see what happens.

google and altavista get entirely different results.

325 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:06pm

re: #318 Opilio

Absolutely not. IIRC, they waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, to call Ohio in 2004. Because once they did, they had to admit that they lost.

I think if PA goes then it'll show others drifting to the red side. I think NH would also go if PA does and Florida would as well. If you can hook the Quakers then I think the message has gotten through and FL/NH would also likely head over as well.

326 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:36:16pm

Here's what is more troubling than that outside chance of secession ... what if our country becomes EVEN MORE polarized, that the reds and the blues simply detest each other, and there is NO geographical self-sorting?

How could we live together?

We're getting to that stage now. Reds and blues increasingly live in parallel, untouching universes. Actually, in my wee opinion, blues have less contact with reds, than the other way around. Reds have to endure college (a blue zone.)

327 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:37:07pm

re: #303 Pawn of the Oppressor


I'd support it if any hypothetical union of "red" states explicitly defines and outlaws Socialism and Communism by name,

I don't think that would work, or even be 'right'. The issue isn't that Communism isn't outlawed. You say we would need a Jefferson, but it was Jefferson who understood that for his vision of a Republic to exist it would require education.

If people were actually educated properly on civics, most of our problems would likely be solved. Attempts at outlawing Communism wouldn't wind up being terribly different than Communists attempts to outlaw everything else after a few generations. If there is popular support for it, all you are going to wind up having is lots and lots of political prisoners. Gulags for Communists isn't any more moral, or feasible than gulags by Communists.

328 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:37:14pm

The Union must stand together. Obama has divided the country even more than Hillary. If we all go to our local victory office and make 50 phone calls I guarantee that once again we will win the election. 13 days left and MSNBC is reporting a blowout 1 hour of your time could save the next four years

329 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:38:59pm

Here is the analysis of the polling data and prediction of the race between Pres Bush and Kerry:
[Link: synapse.princeton.edu...]

The prediction was Kerry 252, Pres Bush 286 a clear prediction of a win by President Bush.

330 LGoPs  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:39:22pm

re: #45 realwest

Hi ggt! I'm not doing as well as I'd like, but I'm otherwise ok.
Did something today that I SWORE I'd never do: engaged a moonbat couple in a "converstation". They were all for Obama (no one mentioned Biden). When I said that although Bush had disappointed me in some areas, I think he should get the credit for there being no further "9/11"'s on American Soil. They started by saying that it just proved that there is no real GWOT - that 9/11 was a "one-off". The conversation - I fully confess aided and abetted by me - went downhill very VERY rapidly from there.
I cooled off a little and ticked off all the reasons to not vote for Obama and to Vote for McCain. He said that he didn't know most of what I'd said about Obama, she said I was making it up. I responded by sneering at her and addressing him: "Don't you think you should learn about the candidate you intend to vote for BEFORE you vote for him?" and his and her reply were that they did know about Obama - my response was that they manifestly did not as he had said he didn't know these things and "so what" everyone can make a mistake in choosing a candidate and I replied - before storming off - FUCK YOU - YOU are making a voting decision that's going to FUCK UP MY LIFE and the lives of tens of millions of Americans you stupid POS.
I didn't win any friends, but I'm thinking that the male of the couple is thinking about what I said and may not vote for Obama.
And I'm just embarrassed as hell cause I lost my temper like that.

God bless ya......sounds like you got in their face, just like their dear leader wants them to do. Kudos to you. I'm generally mild mannered but my dander is up and I'm more than ready to get in faces too. You inspire me.....
Time for stout hearts........

331 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:39:40pm

re: #326 hermeneutics

My hope is that their heathen ways will lead them to breed themselves out of existence. Or, not that I hope for it, but it might come to pass that a nuclear type crisis leaves the ones that survive to depend on us to save their sorry butts.

332 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:40:01pm

re: #273 shanec99 Huh.
"it was too close to call right up to the end." Yet when I went to bed at around 12:30 the MSM had declared Gore the winner. Imagine my surprise when I woke up the next day!
Polls, I'm afraid, suck. Either they don't get the right deographics or get folks who lie to them (I understand that quite a few White folks have said they intend to vote for Obama, less they be called "racist" and the PUMA's have actually told their "memeber" to LIE if they are polled, to say they are Dems and will vote for Obama.
AND I STILL THINK, that when the Average American Voter gets into the privacy of a voting booth, he or she votes for the candidate they TRUST.
Of course, massive VOTER FRAUD by ACORN could turn that all around, but I sincerely doubt it. I do think Obama's ahead NOW, but not by double digitis, indeed by less than 5 points nationwide and in some so-called Battleground states, I think McCain is winning by a couple of points.
And I really doubt we'll know who the winner is on November 5th.

333 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:40:07pm

So, to continue, blues have a distinct disadvantage in that they really don't understand conservative thought. They're able to exist in red-free zones (universities, urban ghettos, the declining media empire, government jobs and, of course, "community organizing" groups.)

Reds, though, MUST pass through the gauntlet of education. Public schools are mostly blue. Universities are deep blue. THe media is blue. All of this is unavoidable, mostly.

334 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:41:22pm

The election is temporary. Long after Obama wins or loses, donkey-boy Billy Ayers and horse-wife Dohrn will still be COLLEGE PROFESSORS! (and just might have the ear of the President)

This should be our concentration. Not the Obama connection per se, but the fact that to Traitors and murderers are"teaching our children."

What should also be noted (as Zombie does) is that what was once "revolutionary" is not mainstream. This ideology that the Communist/Socialists believed was the way to destroy the U.S. is ironically held by Obama, and most of the Democrat party base. I no longer care how much they deny it, if you read this revolutionary, communist manifesto by two proud Anti-American, Traitors it is plain to see that their ideas are the platform of the progressive (if not the Democrat) party! This issue is much larger, and much more important than the present election!

on that note I'm going to sleep.


Lech Em Elohim!

335 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:41:45pm

re: #329 shanec99

Here is the analysis of the polling data and prediction of the race between Pres Bush and Kerry:
[Link: synapse.princeton.edu...]

The prediction was Kerry 252, Pres Bush 286 a clear prediction of a win by President Bush.

Isn't this analysis ONLY the last poll taken prior to the election by each of the major polling firms? If so, polls tighten, and almost always they tighten in a way that favors Republicans.

336 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:42:43pm

re: #331 WKSNL

My hope is that their heathen ways will lead them to breed themselves out of existence. Or, not that I hope for it, but it might come to pass that a nuclear type crisis leaves the ones that survive to depend on us to save their sorry butts.

I've thought that way too, but never articulated it.

337 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:42:46pm

re: #322 Opilio

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of your butt.

If Zero loses PA, he loses the election.

Thank you Murtha,calls our troops murderers,and his constituents racist and rednecks.G.d willing that will put McCain over the top in PA.

338 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #334 WrathofG-d

PIMF

The election is temporary. Long after Obama wins or loses, donkey-boy Billy Ayers and horse-wife Dohrn will still be COLLEGE PROFESSORS! (and just might have the ear of the President)

This should be our concentration. Not the Obama connection per se, but the fact that two Traitors and murderers are"teaching our children."

What should also be noted (as Zombie does) is that what was once "revolutionary" is now mainstream. This ideology that the Communist/Socialists believed was the way to destroy the U.S. is ironically held by Obama, and most of the Democrat party base. No matter how "crazy" that might sound, READ THE BOOK, and see for yourself.

I no longer care how much they deny it, if you read this revolutionary, communist manifesto by two proud Anti-American Traitors it is plain to see that their ideas are the platform of the progressive (if not the Democrat) party!

This issue is much larger, and much more important than the present election!

on that note I'm going to sleep.


Lech Em Elohim!

339 Captkirk35  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:43:56pm

I bought Ted Nugent's 'Ted White and Blue' tonight. Ted's the man! Dude's got a fantastic message.. one that could do a lot of good these days.

340 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:06pm

also if 100 college students say they will vote obama only 60 will statistically vote but it will be close

341 dr.charlemagne  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:08pm

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

342 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:44:35pm

re: #290 Irene NYC
Yeah, but just try to find some real Vermont Maple Syrup!
And I don't like real or fake Maple syrup anyway!

343 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:05pm

re: #332 realwest
The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

344 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:21pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

It's a good question although I'm not sure the answer is as easy as you'd make it to be. The Red Nation would be completely self sufficient in agriculture, oil and other natural resources. The Blue would have greater international clout considering their political stance. The Red would be better off initially for sure but long term....

345 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:46:56pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

They'd probably come up with some fake standard of "happiness" or other way of ignoring reality, similar to the way they champion the Scandinavian countries.

346 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:18pm

re: #343 rancher

i cant wait for chris mathews to scream

347 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:38pm

re: #243 ggt

What would happen if a large block of independent business people simply refused to send their quarterly taxes in?

How would the IRS/Gov't deal with hundreds of thousands of non-compliant citizens?


Walter E. Williams goes so far to suggest that when the Feds threaten to withhold highway dollars or other government money, that whole states should refuse to send in federal income taxes. It would be fun to see where that leads.

348 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:51pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

So!So! Very true indeed.

349 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:47:57pm

re: #342 realwest

Yeah, but just try to find some real Vermont Maple Syrup!
And I don't like real or fake Maple syrup anyway!


real,
That was the only thing I could think of out of Vermont except, of course, for Circus Smirkus!
;)

350 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:06pm

re: #309 shanec99
Yeah, and just think, if Gore had won his home state - where presumably the voters knew him best, he'd a won the election!

351 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

Honestly, I hope they riot. And scream. And try to steal the election in the courts. I hope their character and dishonesty is exposed for all to see.

The LA riots opened many eyes, you know.

352 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:29pm

re: #339 Captkirk35

A comedy/political group composed of:

Ted Nugent
Ron White
and our own ploome hineni

Ted, White, and Jew!

/thanks, i'm here until friday

353 shanec99  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:37pm

re: #335 hermeneutics

Isn't this analysis ONLY the last poll taken prior to the election by each of the major polling firms? If so, polls tighten, and almost always they tighten in a way that favors Republicans.

The argument that was made earlier stated that right before the election the prediction was that John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry would win, the analysis clearly shows that among decided voters President Bush was favored to win by more than 30 electoral college votes. I remembered clearly how the MSM lamented and blamed this on the Swift Vote Veterans ads.

354 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

355 Last Man  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:13pm

So Gergen Republicans are growing in ranks and you betcha embarrassed to be seen in light, natural or klieg. Well at least the runner up beauty queen passes the blow shit up test that wrong way Joe implores lefty donors to grade the clean one on with mercy. Seems the first 400 in the Boston white pages loses out to Harvard after all. She's obviously more than the slow adult narrative the fourth estate pamphleteers choose during a "news" cycle.

356 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:33pm

re: #352 victor_yugo

A comedy/political group composed of:

Ted Nugent
Ron White
and our own ploome hineni

Ted, White, and Jew!

/thanks, i'm here until friday

With jokes like this, I'm not trying the veal.

357 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:50pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

I think ACORN's obnoxiousness is only amplifying the Bradley effect.

358 WKSNL  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:51pm

What are the odds of their heads finally exploding from decades of pent-up cognitive dissonance (if)when it's McCain/Palin?

Sorry for the (if) - I don't want to jinx us.

359 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:49:52pm

re: #326 hermeneutics

I don't think the country is as polarized as it might seem. I mean, politics isn't 'polite conversation' in most circles. Even those with strong political beliefs aren't activists, and we are extremely far away from seeing people willing to turn on their neighbors for their political views in a violent fashion.

The truth of it is, is that most people don't even know the political views of a lot their friends and co-workers. Even when that illusion is shattered people don't necessarily dump their friends, they just agree not to talk politics.

This polarization is illusory. There were violent conflicts for decades leading up to the Civil War. Until 'Days of Rage' and Oklahoma City aren't anomalous events separated by decades, but regular violent conflicts (and even more so against specific targets rather than the undirected rage seen at riots) between clashing and irreconcilable ideologies we aren't anywhere near a boiling point.

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:00pm

Damn- leave for awhile, and all hell breaks loose.

361 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:15pm

re: #351 hermeneutics

I hope their character and dishonesty is exposed for all to see.

Like in 2000?

362 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:36pm

re: #356 gmsc

With jokes like this, I'm not trying the veal.

But wait til you hear their jokes!

363 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:46pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

PUMAs = 5-7 million voters
ACORN = 1.5 million registrations

Fear not. The PUMAs have our back.

364 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:50:54pm

re: #361 rancher

Like in 2000?

And 2004.

365 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:01pm

re: #359 scion9

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

366 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

Tell them that, if they want your money, they can leave the politics out.

367 ak47_rus  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:51:57pm

at my college at SCSU we had a guest speaker talk about how republicans stole election in 2004 by not counting black votes...

368 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:52:33pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Damn- leave for awhile, and all hell breaks loose.

That should teach you not to ever leave, Sharmuta!

369 Opilio  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:53:09pm

re: #355 Last Man

So Gergen Republicans are growing in ranks and you betcha embarrassed to be seen in light, natural or klieg. Well at least the runner up beauty queen passes the blow shit up test that wrong way Joe implores lefty donors to grade the clean one on with mercy. Seems the first 400 in the Boston white pages loses out to Harvard after all. She's obviously more than the slow adult narrative the fourth estate pamphleteers choose during a "news" cycle.

I'm sure you made a point in there somewhere, but damn if I can find it. I think I blew out a few neurons just trying to read it.

370 middlecon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:53:11pm

re: #359 scion9

I don't think the country is as polarized as it might seem. I mean, politics isn't 'polite conversation' in most circles. Even those with strong political beliefs aren't activists, and we are extremely far away from seeing people willing to turn on their neighbors for their political views in a violent fashion.

The truth of it is, is that most people don't even know the political views of a lot their friends and co-workers. Even when that illusion is shattered people don't necessarily dump their friends, they just agree not to talk politics.

This polarization is illusory. There were violent conflicts for decades leading up to the Civil War. Until 'Days of Rage' and Oklahoma City aren't anomalous events separated by decades, but regular violent conflicts (and even more so against specific targets rather than the undirected rage seen at riots) between clashing and irreconcilable ideologies we aren't anywhere near a boiling point.


I completely agree the country only really 'fights it out' politically on the cable talk shows and the internet, outside of that people get along very well, be it red, blue, yellow or green....does anyone here actually ask a persons political affiliation before they decide to treat the person with respect? Americans generally get along with each other.

371 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:05pm

re: #353 shanec99

The argument that was made earlier stated that right before the election the prediction was that John "I will throw my medals away" Kerry would win, the analysis clearly shows that among decided voters President Bush was favored to win by more than 30 electoral college votes. I remembered clearly how the MSM lamented and blamed this on the Swift Vote Veterans ads.

Okay. But ... the polls the month, week (but not day) before the election mostly favored Dems. Strongly so, in fact.

Self-reported ID generally varies from a Dem advantage of 0 (2004) to 4 percent. I've been trying to jigger all the polling numbers with stated internals to a worst-case-scenario 4% Democratic advantage in ID. When I do this, Republicans often win.

To sum: The polls heavily over-weigh Dem respondents IF RECENT ELECTORAL HISTORY is our gauge. Of course, the Dems will say that this election is different, but they said the same in 2oo4, 2000, 1996, etc. The youth are coming ... the youth are coming ... but they never came. Now it is AAs and youth.

So if you jigger the poll for your preassumed HIGH youth turnout and HIGH AA turnout; so high, in fact, that they blow away historical precedent, then maybe these polls are accurate.

I'm betcha they're wrong and history, once again, reasserts itself.

People are so constant.

372 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:08pm

re: #341 dr.charlemagne

all this talk of secession brings up a great question. if the nation were cleaved in two by party, which country would prosper? the answer is so obvious that i would bet it would be fun to pose to liberals.

If the blue states outlawed guns. Which states would you move to? More importantly, which states would the criminals move to?

373 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:54:35pm

I am NOT a Gergen Republican.

I AM a REAGAN Conservative.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

....and I would glady suit up in Gray to "....preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign, [here's the clincher:] and domestic, so help me God."

374 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:55:05pm

re: #366 victor_yugo

Tell them that, if they want your money, they can leave the politics out.


It's not necessarily the vendors. It could be the person standing in back of you in line, or it could be Mayor Bloomberg's rules about how food can and cannot be prepared, etc. Sadly, there are some people whom I converse with that throw politics into every single line. Yesterday, while out for a late lunch, I finally was tweaked into saying, "Oh, I couldn't possibly vote for universal health care because I depend on the best medical care money can buy." You should've seen the look I got. LOL!

375 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #343 rancher

The PUMA effect is real and the Bradley effect will be huge. The MSM big lie will be exposed on election day but the LLL's will scream bloody murder that the election was once again stolen. Let's hope all they do is scream.

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

376 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:56:09pm

re: #359 scion9

Respectfully, I disagree. I'm in my mid-40s and I've never felt such anger on the right or left. This election FEELS different.

Yes, this is utterly subjective.

377 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:56:14pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

Same here in Texas,,but no arguments,,we are all Conservative.

378 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:02pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Can you tell me in 100 words or less what I missed? Just came back on line... ;)

379 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:13pm

re: #365 Irene NYC

And where exactly do you live? Here in NYC you can't even buy take-out without politics coming into the transaction.

I live in Maryland, right outside the Beltway, which is just as much a Democrat Dystopia as NYC. I've never been asked my political affiliation in NYC. I've certainly never killed anyone, or been killed over it either. It certainly isn't Bleeding Kansas up there or down here yet.

380 BignJames  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:22pm

re: #367 ak47_rus

at my college at SCSU we had a guest speaker talk about how republicans stole election in 2004 by not counting black votes...

How would "republicans" know which votes were cast by blacks?

381 Oldasdirt  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:57:51pm

re: #373 Castlebravo

I am NOT a Gergen Republican.

I AM a REAGAN Conservative.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

....and I would glady suit up in Gray to "....preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign, [here's the clincher:] and domestic, so help me God."

Stars and Bars,These colors don't run.

382 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:58:31pm

re: #354 Syrah

I worry that the Acorn effect will out-push the Bradly effect.

I went back to my polling place after I voted early to get an absentee ballot for my wife. I told them I was Tony Romo and wanted to vote. The guy there, who knew me and knew I had just voted, asked to see my pinky finger! I was disenfranchised as will most of the ACORN registered phonies be disenfranchised. Mickey Mouse won't vote. The guy who registered 72 times will vote once, if that.

What ACORN did was swell the number of registered Democrat voters so that polls working off that number will be skewed Democrat. ACORN has magnified the margin of error so the election results will be even more of a puzzle to the uninformed.

383 JustMyView  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:14pm

re: #371 hermeneutics

Okay. But ... the polls the month, week (but not day) before the election mostly favored Dems. Strongly so, in fact.

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

384 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:22pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

Just because you site Nate Silver at 538 and Newsweek for your conclusions, It doesn't make them true. Sorry.

385 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 10:59:56pm

OT: October 23 events:

2001 - The iPod was first released
1973 - Nixon agrees to turn over the Watergate tapes
1958 - The Smurfs first debut in Spirou, a comics magazine
1946 - The United Nations General Assembly convened for the first time
1915 - Woman's suffrage: In New York City, 25,000-33,000 women march on Fifth Avenue to advocate their right to vote.
1911 - First use of aircraft in war: An Italian pilot takes off from Libya to observe Turkish army lines during the Turco-Italian War.
1861 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus in Washington, D.C., for all military-related cases.

386 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:26pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The PUMA effect is, in fact, mostly wishful thinking. In multiple recent polls, upport for Obama among Democrats is higher than support for McCain among Republicans. The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.

There's a LOT of discussion and little consensus on this, JMV. We'll see after the election if we ever know the answer.

I personally think the Bradley effect is merely a measure of unwillingness to tell a pollster the truth (if one supports McCain.) For some, it is a measure of political correctness -- the fear of being labeled a racist if one doesn't support Obama. For others, it is an anger at pollsters -- the desire to get back at those who are pushing, not polling.

387 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:30pm

re: #382 rancher

I went back to my polling place after I voted early to get an absentee ballot for my wife. I told them I was Tony Romo and wanted to vote. The guy there, who knew me and knew I had just voted, asked to see my pinky finger! I was disenfranchised as will most of the ACORN registered phonies be disenfranchised. Mickey Mouse won't vote. The guy who registered 72 times will vote once, if that.

What ACORN did was swell the number of registered Democrat voters so that polls working off that number will be skewed Democrat. ACORN has magnified the margin of error so the election results will be even more of a puzzle to the uninformed.

I like that take.

There sure is a hell of a lot of noise in the polling. The weighting by registration seems to me to be a madness.

388 NY Nana  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:35pm

re: #376 hermeneutics

I agree, and I am almost 71. I feel like we are in the midst of a national nightmare, but I have not given up hope, and will not.

May the best man win=McCain/Palin.

The other 2, who shall remain nameless, as it bothers my fingerst to type, and makes me want to puke when I see them, are, without a doubt, the worst of the worst. I rate them in negative numbers.

389 realwest  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:00:36pm

Well all y'all as interesting as this has been and although I know it will come as a surprise and a disappointment to some out here, folks still have to vote before we'll know who the next POTUS is.
I realize that folks like JustMyView and Shane99 wish we'd all read the polls and say "why bother to vote" but regardless I am going to vote and let the chips fall where they may.
And I still stand by my #310.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

390 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:01:54pm

re: #383 JustMyView

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

I've got to go research because I don't have enough information to refute or confirm what you just wrote.

391 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:02:48pm

re: #378 NY Nana

Charles got pissed up thread.

392 scion9  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:03:10pm

re: #382 rancher

Why couldn't you just drive to every polling station in your state with your 72 registration cards to avoid face recognition?

393 BignJames  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:03:23pm

re: #389 realwest


I voted yesterday.

394 Tissa  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:29pm

re: #375 JustMyView

But the PUMA effect is hidden as thier strategy is to mess with the polsters when asked by telling them they are democrats and voting for democrats.

395 gmsc  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:34pm

re: #392 scion9

Why couldn't you just drive to every polling station in your state with your 72 registration cards to avoid face recognition?

Great idea, unless you live in a state like Delaware or Rhode Island.

396 BigJohn  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:04:56pm

re: #383 JustMyView

Actually, Bush was favored to win in polls throughout October.

Those are just RCP numbers.

397 Syrah  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:00pm

re: #386 hermeneutics

There's a LOT of discussion and little consensus on this, JMV. We'll see after the election if we ever know the answer.

I personally think the Bradley effect is merely a measure of unwillingness to tell a pollster the truth (if one supports McCain.) For some, it is a measure of political correctness -- the fear of being labeled a racist if one doesn't support Obama. For others, it is an anger at pollsters -- the desire to get back at those who are pushing, not polling.

Much like your own personal experience that you related some months back.

Lying to pollsters is not uncommon. I don't know what the numbers are, I have no way of knowing other than an impression, but I think that the current level of lying to pollsters is larger than it has been in the past.

398 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:35pm

If you're getting your polling info from 527, think again -- he's an old Kos poster, and though his math looks impressive, it doesn't overcome his strong Dem bias.

Anyway ... Good night, Lizards. Sleep calls me gently. For once, I'm not drugged.

399 middlecon  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:05:58pm

I was polled this year, for the 2nd time (once in 1992)...anyway I don't self identify as 'Republican' to pollsters, sure I vote Republican 99% (other 1% libertarian) of the time, but I really hate to tie myself to any particular party. If other people are like me I can see why there is always a wide gap between self identifying Republicans and Democrats, likely Republican voters are just less likely to identify with the Republican party.

This link has probably been on here before but its the same type of thing that happens in the UK:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

400 rancher  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:06:18pm

re: #375 JustMyView

The Bradley effect is likely to be small, if it exists at all.


We will see. Will you be with us on election night? Although if history is any judge this won't be over till months after the election...

401 empills  Wed, Oct 22, 2008 11:06:38pm