he's a creep

Any LGF readers with experience in online payment systems are invited to chime in.

My wife would know more about that than I.

Just in case people refuse to pay their taxes.

Chaaaaaaaaarge it! Whoops!
/channeling Wilma Flintstone

I'd try it, but I can't even stomach giving a penny to the Obama campaign.

That second update must be real important, Charles gave it a double headline.

Name: Adam gadahn
Address: cave #6
City: Tora bora
State: Afghanistan
Zip: 66666

Thank you for your generous gift Adam. thank you for helping promote Hope and Change.

i heard on rush last wk. a woman had a $2300 charge on her c.c. for the obama campaign.
she called them and they said, 'oh, well would you like to go ahead and make the donation anyway?'
she was livid. the c.c. co. took the charge off her bill.
stunning.

the charges, at least initially, are going through.

here are some screenshots: barack obama engaging in donation fraud

Sweet! This is potentially thousands of counts of wire fraud.

Just did it 30 minutes ago.

Gordon Gekko
1 GreedisGood Street
Durham, NC 27707

Just donated $5 to Dear Leader. Checked my credit card online and it's already marked approved in the Pending Transactions page. I have screenshots that document the whole process.

Un-fricking-believable that this isn't a story.

Credit card fraud is just another way to "spread the wealth around".

re: #6 CyanSnowHawk

That second update must be real important, Charles gave it a double headline.

And it's fixed. Charles Johnson, faster than a speeding snark!

The left has done extraordinary work in discovering every possible loophole in order to get their candidate elected fraudulently.

Change ! Charge !

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

Just went up on Drudge - no details yet.

So America's enemies could be funding Obama and they don't care or check?

Hey gang... stop giving money to the One just to test it... enough have already!

I hope you all call and have those charges canceled.

wtf? did anyone else just hear this on hannity?
drudge: SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...

What will it take to wake up the fools supporting this man? I am starting to think our only hope is that in his infomercial next week, he spends the time killing kittens. Even then his appologists will tell us we have to understand the context...

Today's happy thought.

The IRS controlled by an Obama Administration.

Duplicitous crooks. I was channel surfing today and heard a story that Europe in general, but Belgium in particular wants to be able to vote in our election.

/probably old news here

The MSM isn't reporting this, so it MUST be fake. Case closed.

//

I sell credit/debit card processing including for e-commerce. re: #20 bosforus

Just heard/saw that. Unbelievable!

re: #20 bosforus

wtf? did anyone else just hear this on hannity?
drudge: SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...

Obama denouces this in 5...4...3...

/

re: #16 Catttt

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

Just went up on Drudge - no details yet.

horrifying.
and leftist are supposed to be so peace loving.
fckers.

It is possible to set the payment gateway to check only CC # and expiry, but that means forfeiting chargeback dispute option. Businesses don't do it because that would affect their bottom line. Obamarx apparently considers it a cost of doing business (a con really), a triffle amount compared to loads of cash he rakes in.

re: #16 Catttt

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

Just went up on Drudge - no details yet.

Unbelievable.

I wonder if Senator Man-Child will give another speech dismissing this that's so gaseous and bloviating it gives Chrissy Matthews a seizure.

re: #16 Catttt

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

Just went up on Drudge - no details yet.

Who was it that said to get in there faces! This is disturbing to say the least.

WTF with the double post?

Yep... time to clean the guns and remain armed to the teeth.

re: #16 Catttt

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

Just went up on Drudge - no details yet.

If this is true I accuse Colin Powell as an accessory.

His blaming the McCain campaign for the tone of the campaign gave license to the real animals on the Leftist extreme.

Isn't this, what's that word, illegal?

re: #32 Fat Jolly Penguin

WTF with the double post?

Hm. Now it's gone. *looks over shoulder*

A wild guess here, but this would be a spiffy way to use counterfeit credit cards, not that I'm suggesting.

let the idiots bring knives to my gunfight

re: #29 doppelganglander

believable.

fixed.

Let's hope that this barbaric act, and Murtha's mouth deliver PA for McCain and deliver us from Obama

That poor woman. Prayers for her recovery

re: #35 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Isn't this, what's that word, illegal?

Racist!

/

OK, anyone on here work in IT security? I believe this may be a viloation of PCI (Payment Card Industry) certification and regulations. Can anyone confirm?

I'll shoot this over to our resident hackers and see what they say...

re: #20 bosforus

wtf? did anyone else just hear this on hannity?
drudge: SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...

Our cold Civil War just keeps getting hotter.

re: #35 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Not for Democrats. It's like a "Get out of Jail Free" card in Monopoly.

Some Corner readers have been testing the Obama system by submitting obviously fake stuff - they just announced that the campaign has apparently fixed the holes. ("Borat Oblama" could not contribute.)

BTW, I tried to give to McCain back in March, and left off the middle name on my credit card when I filled out the online form. His site wouldn't take my donation without the full, proper name.

re: #18 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey gang... stop giving money to the One just to test it... enough have already!

I would love to test what would happen if everyone stopped giving money to him.

re: #23 twincitiesgirl

Duplicitous crooks. I was channel surfing today and heard a story that Europe in general, but Belgium in particular wants to be able to vote in our election.

/probably old news here

Europe Europeans, Belgium Belgians

re: #26 musicman

Obama denouces this in 5...4...3...

/

To my knowledge he has yet to denounce any tactic used by his followers. The closest he has come is when he stated his ~staff~ wouldn't attack Palins family.

#16 Cattt, et al;

...and so it begins. The media won't be long in saying "it's reprehensible. No one condones these acts. But this is the sort of violence that can happen when people are incited by hatred like at the Palin rallies".

re: #4 Outrider

Chaaaaaaaaarge it! Whoops!
/channeling Wilma Flintstone

Frantic City! Frantic City!

/channeling that no good parrot

Someone should demand all transactions be rechecked from the beginning of his campaign and all fraudulent donations be returned.

Yes, I'm talking to you Bush and the justice department!

Credit card campaign fraud......
ACORN vote fraud......
Obama a fraudulent democrat.....

Welcome to third world electoral politics America.

How about a positive OT?

Megyn Kelly rips a new one for an Ayers apologist

re: #16 Catttt

OT

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.
.

"get in their faces"

re: #25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sorry, I ran two comments together.

#20 bos- That's unbelievable. Just heard/read that.

I sell credit and debit card processing including for e-commerce. My guess is the fraud was committed using debit, not credit cards.

re: #51 jcm

Credit card campaign fraud......
ACORN vote fraud......
Obama a fraudulent democrat.....

Welcome to third world electoral politics America.

You left off media fraud!

re: #53 Shug

"get in their faces"

Guess they're not even waiting for the election to start the riots.

re: #51 jcm

Credit card campaign fraud......
ACORN vote fraud......
Obama a fraudulent democrat.....

Welcome to third world electoral politics America.

Along with violence & intimidation against your opponents. Maybe the Iraqis could come over here & teach us how to have peaceful elections.

This is posted in the comments section at Michelle's -

UPDATE On Dale In Atlanta:

Okay, I just called my Bank; I told them what I did as well.

They told me that the Charge would go thru, nothing to do to stop it; but they did say in 3 - 5 days, I could file a Fraudulent Charges claim, and get the money back.

I said since I knowingly did it, it would be hard to claim it was a “fraud”; and he said, the onus was on the “merchant”, because they did not verify the information.

He explained to me that Visa, has VERY strict Rules regarding security and verifications, and he said that if the Obama campaign is NOT verifying Billing info/the Security code, they are in violation of the Rules laid out by Visa, and they should get in “trouble” for it!

He seemed really, really shocked about this, and said like twice during our conversation, “I can’t believe their website does this, it’s really, really no good…!”

Anyway, he immediately cancelled my Card for me, will issue a new one, and will block the Account from further activity on this specific account number; but that $15 is in the Bank for Obama, unless I file a Fraudulent Charges claim!

Anyone else know anything about this, and is the guy at the Bank correct?

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM

re: #16 Catttt

That can't possibly be true. I really hope that a bogus report.

SHOCK: MCCAIN CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

B carved into young woman's face.

The MSM will equate this barbaric act with stolen Obama yard signs.

re: #26 musicman

Obama denouces this in 5...4...3...

/

But he's on the plane to HI right now!/

This is getting downright scary, And we are the ones accused of being angry and intolerant?

We have been putting up with this shit for so too long

re: #59 Killgore Trout

That can't possibly be true. I really hope that a bogus report.

Me too.

What does it matter?

Even if there's proof of massive campaign fraud (wire fraud) who's going to prosecute BHO? With his party in full control of both the House and Senate, does anybody honestly think there will be any serious prosecution?

Sorry for the bad mood. I've been Acorn-ed.

Here s the RNC complaint by Marketwatch

[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]

re: #55 musicman

You left off media fraud!

/Citizenship fraud?

something big is happening at drudge. an attack on a McCain supporter.

Le Monde is fawning over Obama's trip to Hawaii.

Must be hard for a black man, but it does remind Americans that he has a heart and is part white, even though his grand mother is racist

Loose translation by me.

[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]

re: #59 Killgore Trout

That can't possibly be true. I really hope that a bogus report.

It definitely can be true, but I'm hoping that this is bogus too.

re: #55 musicman

You left off media fraud!

D'oh!

Obama rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars, potentially millions from non US citizens and hostile entities, and no one has the ability to check them out because they're under the $200 limit.

Fake names used to contribute. Many people giving more than the federally allowed limit.

And now, they're even defrauding innocent victims?

Barack Obama and his campaign are now officially thieves.

Just think what he would do if he could get ahold of our national treasury?

re: #9 the lizard

the charges, at least initially, are going through.

here are some screenshots: barack obama engaging in donation fraud

Linky no worky.

re: #63 Catttt

The first thing that comes to mind is Tiwanna Brawley (sp?) and Curtis Sleewa who both faked attacks against themselves to stir up public opinion. True or not the story itself has no good outcome.

re: #53 Shug

"get in their faces"

With Ginsu knives.

C'mon, Drudge, link the story already!

Here s more...$175K charged to unsuspecting woman (one of those $250k+earners lol)

[Link: townhall.com...]

re: #68 lumpy

No phone numbers in posts lumpy.

From the top of the page

Posts that contain phone numbers, addresses, or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"

re: #16 Catttt

holy bleep.

Everyone remember to Buzz this story up!

I think many are missing the point. A single person could now donate greater than the $2300.00 limit by using their card with different names multiple times. Also, foreign credit cards can also be used.

I have updates to the story here.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

re: #3 bosforus

Just in case people refuse to pay their taxes.

Easy payments!

re: #69 spirochete

America, by Robert Solé
THE WORLD | 22.10.08 | 12:53

Barrack Obama owes much to his maternal grandmother. The woman aged 85 who had received during his adolescence, just to make a final gift after falling seriously ill two weeks before the presidential election. The Democratic candidate immediately suspended its campaign to get to the bedside of his beloved "Toot", Hawaii, in the depths Pacific.

Double coup: it shows the Americans he has the heart and reminds them that it is not entirely black. There is no whiter, in fact, that Madelyn Payne Dunham, who was even a little racist, once, according to her grand-son ...

Not easy for Black, it was the half, entering the White House! Voters themselves have less work to do. Those Santa Ana (California) will even, on November 4, a new system. To vote, they will not need to leave their cars. Electronic machines installed at the roadside will provide a service to the steering wheel, as in some fast food. Engine on, we choose the menu: Republican or Democrat. A Big Cheese McCain or Obama.

re: #11 stephenhalsey

Just did it 30 minutes ago.

Gordon Gekko
1 GreedisGood Street
Durham, NC 27707

Just donated $5 to Dear Leader. Checked my credit card online and it's already marked approved in the Pending Transactions page. I have screenshots that document the whole process.

Un-fricking-believable that this isn't a story.

If that's your real ZIP code, the transaction would go through, especially one lower than a specified limit ($50 ?)

re: #83 lumpy

I think many are missing the point. A single person could now donate greater than the $2300.00 limit by using their card with different names multiple times. Also, foreign credit cards can also be used.

I have updates to the story here.

That might help explain the record donations, with September alone at $150 million for Obama.

re: #86 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

America, by Robert Solé
THE WORLD | 22.10.08 | 12:53

Barrack Obama owes much to his maternal grandmother. The woman aged 85 who had received during his adolescence, just to make a final gift after falling seriously ill two weeks before the presidential election. The Democratic candidate immediately suspended its campaign to get to the bedside of his beloved "Toot", Hawaii, in the depths Pacific.

Double coup: it shows the Americans he has the heart and reminds them that it is not entirely black. There is no whiter, in fact, that Madelyn Payne Dunham, who was even a little racist, once, according to her grand-son ...

Not easy for Black, it was the half, entering the White House! Voters themselves have less work to do. Those Santa Ana (California) will even, on November 4, a new system. To vote, they will not need to leave their cars. Electronic machines installed at the roadside will provide a service to the steering wheel, as in some fast food. Engine on, we choose the menu: Republican or Democrat. A Big Cheese McCain or Obama.

From Google...

I was going to update my coverage of the 2008 election fiasco blog post, but blogger is a mess at the moment.

So, here's what I would have written:

As if that wasn't enough, the Obama campaign website doesn't seem to bother with standard credit card verification procedures to ensure that fraud and possible criminality doesn't occur. Hot Air, Ace, Flip, and others are now reporting that the Obama website is accepting credit card campaign contributions without any kind of security verification that the information submitted matches the card holder information on record with the credit card companies. Credit card companies generally require address verification to see whether possible fraud is underway. If the records provided don't match the information submitted, the transaction gets bounced. If enough transactions from a vendor get bounced, the credit card companies usually raise the fees or cancel the vendor's accounts altogether.

The situation as it appears to exist right now is ripe for fraud, abuse, and circumvention of the campaign finance laws and limits on donations.

If the cardholder in question doesn't question the charges, the credit card company isn't going to bother delving in to the transaction. The Obama campaign simply is playing with fire to accept as many donations from as many sources as possible, without regard to the law or even common sense. It also opens the door to foreign sources providing donations without any trouble.

After all, if Adolph Hitler, John Galt, and Mickey Mouse can give campaign contributions, who is anyone to argue? Heck, even the New York Times was picking out the Obama campaign for this problem weeks ago.

Meanwhile, the fraudsters in Ohio will not be prosecuted. Instead, two registrations will be canceled and 11 absentee ballots wont be counted. How exactly is that justice? These individuals sought to commit fraud and undermine the electoral system, and they don't even get a slap on the wrist. Something is seriously wrong with the water in Ohio.

#80, the phone number is not a personal number, it is the number to the FEC so the readers can call and demand action.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

C'mon, Drudge, link the story already!

Anyone on here in or around Pittsburgh? I'm betting local radio may be Drudge's source.

Senator Obama has stated he is personally responsible for all aspects of his campaign as this counts towards executive experience.

re: #83 lumpy

I think many are missing the point. A single person could now donate greater than the $2300.00 limit by using their card with different names multiple times. Also, foreign credit cards can also be used.

I have updates to the story here.

Don't raise your voice, please. And the blog pimping is getting a little tiresome, too.

Finally something that might get McCain fighting mad. Campaign finance fraud.

So, how much of this is coming from overseas, then? How much illegally over the limit? How much against people's will? (Many people might pay their bill automatically without looking closely).

I'm sure Obama will promise to look into it on Jan 21.

re: #86 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

America, by Robert Solé
THE WORLD | 22.10.08 | 12:53

Barrack Obama owes much to his maternal grandmother. The woman aged 85 who had received during his adolescence, just to make a final gift after falling seriously ill two weeks before the presidential election. The Democratic candidate immediately suspended its campaign to get to the bedside of his beloved "Toot", Hawaii, in the depths Pacific.

Double coup: it shows the Americans he has the heart and reminds them that it is not entirely black. There is no whiter, in fact, that Madelyn Payne Dunham, who was even a little racist, once, according to her grand-son ...

Not easy for Black, it was the half, entering the White House! Voters themselves have less work to do. Those Santa Ana (California) will even, on November 4, a new system. To vote, they will not need to leave their cars. Electronic machines installed at the roadside will provide a service to the steering wheel, as in some fast food. Engine on, we choose the menu: Republican or Democrat. A Big Cheese McCain or Obama.

That's a funny translation. Some kind of online software? I like how it renders his heart "not entirely black"

re: #90 lawhawk

Oh good, I'm not the only one. I tried to post a link to Bortz's column and couldn't get in.

re: #84 armaros

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

One could use stolen card numbers with multiple names. So is this where Obama got some of his $604m?

but I have been saying for ages now that 0bama's money is likely coming from untraceable pre-paid Visa cards
like ANYONE can buy at the grocery store
and use them to circumvent donor limits
and disclosure of who is giving

I'm hoping the Drudge story is inaccurate or possibly made up. It would take tremendous physical violence and a lengthy restraining of a victim to actually carve a "B" in the face. Were there no other people around? Was she canvasing and assaulted? If this is true - and this YOUNG WOMAN was so brutalized, it may be the end of election season and the beginning of something totally different.

If this is how he campaigns, what do you think the economic policy from a BHO White House would look like?

re: #75 Killgore Trout

When did Sliwa fake an attack against himself?

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Names like OJ, Odinga, and also some ACORN inspired names like
Bart Simpson, King Kong

..." Within the hour, three other new donors gave $5 to the Obama campaign. They were:

# Bart Simpson, of 333 Heavens Gate, Beverly Hills, Calif.

# Family Guy, of 128 KilltheJews Alley, Gaza, GA.

# King Kong, of 549 Quinn Street, Capitol Heights, Md.

Newsmax learned of these contributions, which were all made on a single $25 Visa gift card (oddly, the total was $30), from a source that requested anonymity.

Calling himself “Bart Simpson,” the tipster said he had been following the Newsmax investigation of Obama’s campaign finance irregularities “with great interest,” and believed that some of the small donations were coming from gift cards — “you know, the type of disposable debit card you can pick up at Rite-Aid or just about any supermarket.” ...

re: #83 lumpy

I think many are missing the point. A single person could now donate greater than the $2300.00 limit by using their card with different names multiple times. Also, foreign credit cards can also be used.

I have updates to the story here.

Frustrating to be sure, but what will become of it? Nothing, I feel. The drive-bys will ignore it, and the FEC will tell him to stop. Meanwhile, he gets $150 Million in donations this month alone.

WTF?

Drudge headline

SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE

Okay, I took out the number. Any reader can go to [Link: www.fec.gov...] and get it. Call them and demand action.

I strongly believe the FEC can force the Obama campaign to check its database for donations against existing card numbers and match them up with names. Any donations using the same card number with different names would then be credited immediately back to the card. Same for foreign credit cards. This would not be difficult to do as everything is stored in a database that is easily accessible and some simple code could be written to search and purge the database. Will the Obama camp agree to do this, or will the FEC force the issue? Call the FEC and demand action now

re: #92 arethusa

Anyone on here in or around Pittsburgh? I'm betting local radio may be Drudge's source.

Hannity mentioned it, and he's doing his show from a Pittsburgh radio station.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

C'mon, Drudge, link the story already!

This reply @ DU from Xenotime:

17. HA! Serves her right for supporting a racist war monger like McCain.

DUmmies

Hustler in Chief of the new Thugocracy

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

One could use stolen card numbers with multiple names. So is this where Obama got some of his $604m?

Wonder how many cards Chaves has...........

Can someone confirm that factcheck.org is in the tank for the O? It's an Annenberg creature or something? Thanks.

re: #95 nikis-knight

Finally something that might get McCain fighting mad. Campaign finance fraud.

So, how much of this is coming from overseas, then? How much illegally over the limit? How much against people's will? (Many people might pay their bill automatically without looking closely).

I'm sure Obama will promise to look into it on Jan 21.

(Obama rolls eyes)

re: #99 Adrenalyn

but I have been saying for ages now that 0bama's money is likely coming from untraceable pre-paid Visa cards
like ANYONE can buy at the grocery store
and use them to circumvent donor limits
and disclosure of who is giving

ANYONE?

Hmmmm. Could it be...... ACORN?

[said in my best Church Lady voice]

Good news alert: NYC City Council rejected repeal of term limits law. Hah!

I'm no fan of term limits, but Bloomberg and his cronies in the city council wanted to go against the will of the people who imposed it.

OT: Another poll in Western PA has Murtha down by 13.

re: #91 lumpy

#80, the phone number is not a personal number, it is the number to the FEC so the readers can call and demand action.

No phone numbers at all.
Phone numbers can change over time. In a year, this number could belong to someone else. No phone numbers in your post. You can link to sources that contain phone numbers.

As if we didn't have enough bad feelings about this election.

re: #115 arethusa

OT: Another poll in Western PA has Murtha down by 13.

Adios, MFer!

re: #111 Spenser (with an S)

Can someone confirm that factcheck.org is in the tank for the O? It's an Annenberg creature or something? Thanks.

I've read that too. I think it was discussed at Nationalreview.com

re: #102 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

oops, my bad. I was thinking of Morton Downey, Jr..
/I stand corrected.

only thing they give up by not doing address verification (AVS) is they are accepting a higher rate...i.e. with avs it might be 2.1% (a 'qualified' rate), without AVS they would be hit with the 'non-qualified' rate, which could be as high as 3.5 or more.

But you need to make a conscious decision not to require AVS.

I'm in the payment processing business. If any Lizards want to save some $$ feel free to contact me. Rock bottom prices for Lizards.

Obama supporters - the non-worshiping ones - need to ask themselves if this is the behavior they expect from their candidate.

And they need to seriously ask themselves if Obama is trying to buy the election. Is that the candidate they want to vote for?

Drudge banner:

'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...

SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH

Sick [deleted]

"That's not the credit card fraud I knew."

/the one

re: #108 sngnsgt

Linky no worky.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

oops, my bad. I was thinking of Morton Downey, Jr..
/I stand corrected.

"Zip it! Zip it! This is my show!"

Sliwa did in fact fake an attack at some point, but he was also attacked for real more than once.

re: #41 oh_dude

OK, anyone on here work in IT security? I believe this may be a viloation of PCI (Payment Card Industry) certification and regulations. Can anyone confirm?

I'll shoot this over to our resident hackers and see what they say...

I checked with one of the PCI experts in our office, and he says turning off AVS would most definitely invalidate PCI compliance. PCI requires a minimum of two checksums. These guys clearly have none.

re: #115 arethusa

OT: Another poll in Western PA has Murtha down by 13.

What did he do this time? Use a racial epithet to refer to undecided voters?

There's more to this...

Apparently, they are using this system to get around financing contribution limits and would help explain $150 million for a month in tough economic times.

From Free Republic:

Somebody, high up, has access to millions of credit card, and possibly debit card accounts. This is how it works: An apparent charge appears on your account, then through the correction process, it disappears. An unauthorized charge delivers the funds to control of an intermediary, and the intermediary then reimburses the original draft on the account. The intermediary is a wealthy consortium of manipulators, who take the small contribution (always less than $200, so as to avoid the reporting requirements of name and occupation of the original source), thus providing hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of “contributors”, and allowing ineligible contributors to cover up their participation. It would take the research of literally thousands of these accounts to uncover the pattern of “mistaken” charges, and if these accounts are held outside the US, there would be no overview of these transaction by any of the authorities that govern these transfers in this country. The only check on this is to review your own account, and those who had their accounts used in this manner. If individuals or corporate entities are already supporting Obama, or the Democrat National party, or any of the 527s that are anti-Republican, THEY are not going to say anything.

Anyone have thoughts about this?

A few minutes ago,
Al Coholic of 12 Justmadeitup Street in Phonytown, Il. donated 5 bucks to The One.

Yes, we can!

re: #108 sngnsgt

Holy shit. Beyond despicable.

Reply #9: Rove did it himself to turn the tide of sympathy.

Reply #24: The Freepers did it to her

Reply #25: I'll bet $50 that the attacker was a McCain employee

re: #120 Killgore Trout

oops, my bad. I was thinking of Morton Downey, Jr..
/I stand corrected.

Okay, I thought you might have meant Downey. His faked attack was in an airport bathroom if I remember correctly.

/Sen. Craig, can you confirm that?

Disabling basic security requirements of online commerce, yet they want us to trust them?

re: #130 CyanSnowHawk

What did he do this time? Use a racial epithet to refer to undecided voters?

Nah, I think this is just Nemesis catching up with him. I hope.

re: #132 SDGuy

There's more to this...

Apparently, they are using this system to get around financing contribution limits and would help explain $150 million for a month in tough economic times.

From Free Republic:

Somebody, high up, has access to millions of credit card, and possibly debit card accounts. This is how it works: An apparent charge appears on your account, then through the correction process, it disappears. An unauthorized charge delivers the funds to control of an intermediary, and the intermediary then reimburses the original draft on the account. The intermediary is a wealthy consortium of manipulators, who take the small contribution (always less than $200, so as to avoid the reporting requirements of name and occupation of the original source), thus providing hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of “contributors”, and allowing ineligible contributors to cover up their participation. It would take the research of literally thousands of these accounts to uncover the pattern of “mistaken” charges, and if these accounts are held outside the US, there would be no overview of these transaction by any of the authorities that govern these transfers in this country. The only check on this is to review your own account, and those who had their accounts used in this manner. If individuals or corporate entities are already supporting Obama, or the Democrat National party, or any of the 527s that are anti-Republican, THEY are not going to say anything.

Anyone have thoughts about this?

can you say money laundering?

Speaking of fraud, I hope there is some in depth reporting soon on NBC's going all selectric with Biden's comments re Obama's testing-to-come. They actually parsed audio from one of his speeches onto another to curb the damning effect.

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All for the Greater Good, Kragar, all for the Greater Good...

There's really only two ways to view this:

1. Obama is corrupt and is trying to buy the election; or
2. Obama's organization is incompetent and can't adhere to simple standards.

I hope the Drudge story is false also.
But given the shots fired @ Palin's bus, the KKK carved into a McCain Supporters car in Tampa and the shots fired at a GOP organizer s house, who knows.

If the story is true....I pray that it isn't as a 20 year old woman would be scarred for life in this.....then the MSN better report it as otherwise they may as well relocate to Zimbabwe or Venezuela. ...

Speaking of IRONY

Russian election observers observe that the Media is in the tank for Obama:

[Link: network.nationalpost.com...]

Let's give the Drudge headline about the attack on the McCain supporter the 48 hour rule. If it's not true, we will have gotten all up in arms over nothing. But if it is true, we will be able to back it up when we splash it all over the net.

re: #17 freedomplow

So America's enemies could be funding Obama and they don't care or check?

Sounds like you've got it. As long as they don't know al Qaeda's funding them, then they're fine with it. For that matter, they don't appear to care if your Identity has been stolen, as long as they are the one's benifiting from it.

Here's a link to KDKA in Pittsburgh. I jumped in mid-sentence, sounded like they're following it but know as much as we do. Squat. All eyes on Drudge.
[Link: player.play.it...]

re: #108 sngnsgt

This reply @ DU from Xenotime:

17. HA! Serves her right for supporting a racist war monger like McCain.

DUmmies

Holy crap. And they dare try and label conservatives as hateful? What a POS.

I was away last week. What happened to the Patrick Fitzgerald/RICO story?

Can we prosecute the Obama campaign yet?

Looks like the Obama Campaign is using the Bank of America a bit too literally.

Someone could be buying millions of dollars worth of visa gift cards and the way that Obamas website is set up, they would accept it.

re: #90 lawhawk

Something is seriously wrong with the water in Ohio.

Not our water (I mean, Lake Erie doesn't even catch fire any more), but our government. We've had two governors in succession now, one GOP, one Dem, neither of whom seem capable of keeping their own houses in order. The last one (the GOPer) resulted in several people going to jail for fraud. The present one (who is a moderate-conservative Dem stuck with a radical cabinet) has the "small" problem that his "problem children" are his cabinet.

My best guess is, there will be impeachment motions moving through the Ohio Legislature after the first of the year, no matter who controls it.

Failing that, my next guess is, pitchforks, boiling tar, and several barnyards' worth of feathers for all concerned.

/Buckeyes, of all political stripes, are getting sick of this s#!t

cheers

eon

re: #137 arethusa

Nah, I think this is just Nemesis catching up with him. I hope.

Murtha was responsible for that awful movie too? Yet another reason to hate him!

re: #140 godfrey

All for the Greater Good, Kragar, all for the Greater Good...

Some how, I dont think our definitions of "the Greater Good" are the same.

re: #145 bosforus

Here's a link to KDKA in Pittsburgh. I jumped in mid-sentence, sounded like they're following it but know as much as we do. Squat. All eyes on Drudge.
[Link: player.play.it...]

Townhall.com, Malkin reporting it also.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Ahh, the post has already been deleted. Sorry about that. There are posts above of others who saw the same topic posted.

About the Drudge Post - first, I've still got 10 minutes left in my 15 minute rule. I don't trust Drudge. But, if true, two things are happening in newsrooms - one, they'll tie it to "incitement" at Palin speeches. Two, they are scrambling to find "similar instances" of violence against "democrats". It's all gotcha back and forth - few minds are being changed. I for one hope no 20 year old woman was assaulted like this.

re: #91 lumpy

#80, the phone number is not a personal number, it is the number to the FEC so the readers can call and demand action.

What, are you new here? I know your account was activated back in '05, and you have few posts, but you can at least try to get with the program. You seem to understand how to use the text enhancement buttons when you comment, or at least the bold one. Do you think that just maybe you could use the reply or quote links when responding to someone?

re: #150 freedomplow

Someone could be buying millions of dollars worth of visa gift cards and the way that Obamas website is set up, they would accept it.

That's possible, because the gift cards are actually debit cards.

Hannity has Obama callers on.

He asked one, "so you believe, 'to each according to need, from each according to ability and hard work'"

Caller said, "I agree with that."

Hannity asks, do you know who said that?

Caller, "No I don't"

About this attack on the McCain supporter; the perpetrator is sick and evil. I suspect it has more to do with a twisted individual's mind rather than any belief system.

Yet another argument why who you associate with matters.

re: #150 freedomplow

Someone could be buying millions of dollars worth of visa gift cards and the way that Obamas website is set up, they would accept it.

If a person uses a gift card for a donation, will they be able to claim in on their taxes?

Here s the shooting at the McCain supporters house:

[Link: www.local6.com...]

re: #149 solomonpanting

Looks like the Obama Campaign is using the Bank of America a bit too liberally.

The Corner says now that the Obama website is still not screening out obviously fraudulent donations.

re: #115 arethusa

OT: Another poll in Western PA has Murtha down by 13.

Arrivederci, "Congressman"!

I won't call him what he deserves, because he was a Marine. OUAT.

/ Even if he has totally forgotten what that means.

cheers

eon

re: #128 MrSilverDragon

Yeah, intresting. I'm amazed that this could happen. I've already seen a number of posts claiming that they were able to make donations using their valid credit card # with a fake name and adress.

I've done some work touching on PCI and I know that it's extremely rigid and detailed as to how vendors and contractors are to process credit card transacations

The only issue is that (I could be wrong), PCI only applies to vendors who process in excess of $1M/year in credit card transactions. For example, Amazon.com does their own processesing and they are subject to PCI. Or even if they had a contractor doing all of their CC processing the contractor would definitely be subject to PCI.

New poll: Russell over Murtha 48 to 35

re: #7 Shug

Name: Adam gadahn
Address: cave #6
City: Tora bora
State: Afghanistan
Zip: 66666

Thank you for your generous gift Adam. thank you for helping promote Hope and Change.

Shug..your rent is due on cave #6...

re: #141 KingKenrod

There's really only two ways to view this:

1. Obama is corrupt and is trying to buy the election; or
2. Obama's organization is incompetent and can't adhere to simple standards.

3. All of the above...

We are right on track to be a third world banana republic by 2012.

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Remember that the media--particularly NPR, aka the Obama Network--were crowing about the $150 million that Obama raised last month "mostly in small donations," which, not coincidentally, do not have to be reported to the election authorities if they are under the $200 limit.

In other words, this is a connived-at money-laundering fraud of gigantic proportions.

I can think of a three-letter word: RICO

One might say that Mr. Obama's campaign is engaging in Astroturf Fund Raising.

There are several not-for-profit charities whose Board of Directors have commented about the phenomenal success of BHO's grassroots fund raising tactics. I guess they'll have to go back to the drawing board if and I repeat IF BHO is prosecuted.

Once this is over, it will be easy to learn just how much foreign money came in. Take all the amounts that do end in $0.00, add them up and you have the foreign donations. All the other numbers are showing up from foreign currency conversions of the originally submitted amount. You will be right within a 3% margin of error. Want greater accuracy? Accept a '5' in the one's place.

I saw somewhere that about 35% of The One's contributions fit that criteria. That means somewhere north of $200M came into our election from foreign sources. Kinda' puts a new twist on illegal immigration.

Obama: 'Throughout This Campaign I’ve Argued That We Need More Troops and More Resources to Win the War in Iraq'
Obama at a press conference yesterday:

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Just like McCain said: Obama Will 'Say Anything' to Win

re: #44 arethusa

That's because they Have enough cc plastic money donations already!
Convenient holes in the system don't you think...open and close that easily?
....... We didn't know?!It isn't our fault, that the cc companies didn't do secure checks first, it's not our fault!

PIMF #173 "Do" = "DO NOT".

re: #171 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I can think of a three-letter word: RICO

RICO is just a four-letter word.

re: #143 Intrepid

Drudge doesn't generally give speculative stories the two inch headline treatment......

I just gave $1 as:

Go Fish
Occupation: Fish
Employer: Pets store

The Obama website says it was accepted, but i haven't seen as a pending charge on-line yet.

Any why don't they use the CVN lie every other online merchant.

To the lizards that have tried making a fraudulent donation who are in a Red State- if you want to get this story out, try calling your local tv newsroom hotline. Try to get in touch with an investigative reporter. If you're in a Red State, you might hit one that is sympathetic to McCain, and might be interested in pursuing the story. Have the facts laid out. Practically pre-package it. If you give them enough information, and make it easy for them, they might just do an "investigative report" on this and put it on the air.

/know it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to try

I work quite a bit with authorize.net, an online credit card gateway. The credit card gateway at a minimum requires that the name and expiration date match up with what's associated with the card number (for added security you can opt to require the billing zip code and house number among others).

However, it's not the responsibility of the payment gateway to check how many times someone has donated to Obama. The credit card gateway only cares if the name matches the with the credit card number.

From a web developer's standpoint, it's easy to record and check if you've already donated and whether you've reached your legal donation limit. This is easily done behind the scenes when a donor hits the submit button. It's basic stuff.

re: #18 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey gang... stop giving money to the One just to test it... enough have already!

If you're donation is -50.00, do you get $50.00 back? ;)

Underneath the thin skin of this campaign it's all maggots.

re: #167 jill e

Let's hope he wins and drags John McCain over the finish line with him.

re: #141 KingKenrod

There's really only two ways to view this:

1. Obama is corrupt and is trying to buy the election; or
2. Obama's organization is incompetent and can't adhere to simple standards.

I vote for....

BOTH!

re: #64 Conservative in Liberal Hands

What does it matter?

Even if there's proof of massive campaign fraud (wire fraud) who's going to prosecute BHO? With his party in full control of both the House and Senate, does anybody honestly think there will be any serious prosecution?

Sorry for the bad mood. I've been Acorn-ed.

Apparently, AG Mukasey doesn't prosecute anyone for anything either.

Headline: Presidential Candidate Obama indited in RICO investigation of "Massive Voter Fraud" and Violations of Campaign Finance Law by Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

I guess I was half-joking then... but now...

re: #182 poopeedoo

If you're donation is -50.00, do you get $50.00 back? ;)

PIMF ~ YOUR donation

Most Dangerous Block In U.S.? Mail Delivery Halted
Post Office Requests Police Escort After Violence Stops Service For Two Weeks
Reporting
Dana Kozlov
HARVEY, Ill. (CBS) ― Dozens of mailboxes remain empty after the post office suspends service in one south suburban neighborhood. Some people get angry when their mail is late. But in Harvey, people have been waiting for days and days. They're not getting any mail at all. CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports that one mail carrier in Harvey feels threatened.

ILLINOIS! OBAMA COUNTRY! HIS LEGACY AS A STATE SENATOR!

/WE COULD BE SOOOOOOOO FUCKED!

re: #91 lumpy

No offense, lumpy, but if people want to call the FEC to complain, they are probably capable of locating the phone number themselves.

re: #83 lumpy

My guess. It was checking the names, they turned it off for a few, umm, of the more generous donors and then forgot to turn name-check back on. Some red faced production guy at the obama website HQ I'm guessing.

Is there an oversight committee that monitors the FEC? Is anyone in the government paying attention to the FEC at all? Rather than calling the FEC and complaining about the Obama donations (seems to me they're obviously in the bag for The One) perhaps a better tactic might be to go after the FEC. If there was enough pressure on them, they'd be forced to look into the Obama donations.

anyone else feel like Obama is tryin' to pimp slap us?

So, forgive me for asking stupid questions. This is an effort to go around the reporting/donation limit systems? It seems the credit card in hand is the one charged. Are they stealing credit card numbers and just putting different names on them? The the CC card company has to deal with getting the money back?

This confuses me. Simple credit card/identity theft I understand. I'm not completely sure what they're doing here. I know it's illegal. That's obvious. But some of the rest is eluding me.

re: #75 Killgore Trout

The attack is apparently true and reported at: [Link: www.thepittsburghchannel.com...] The guy was apparently 6' 4 or there abouts. Not hard for somebody that size to physically restrain a smaller woman. Fortunately, she does not seem to be terribly injured. The whole thing was done outside the view of the security cameras.

re: #187 Conservative in Liberal Hands

You can indict a ham sandwich, so why not the world's biggest ham........

re: #195 kynna

It appears that there is some credit card number fraud going on, but it is limited. What is not limited is the fraud of exceeding the 2,300 buck limit through use of multiple names, illegal donations from overseas, etc. Yes it is wire fraud on the part of the people doing it, but I think you would have a hard time getting the 0bama campaign on that unless they specifically did it themselves.

Where.

Is.

The Fucking.

Cocksucking.

Media.

Ace is a man of few (but effective) words.

America -- Obama is quite literally stealing our presidential election, and this emerging story will prove to be a significant piece of evidence.

If Obama wins, impeachment papers should be drawn up immediately over this massive fraud on the American people. God knows how many millions directly and anonymously out of foreign countries have helped pay for The One's campaign.

How anyone even associated with this much fraud and corruption and covering up could reach the level of being our presidential candidate and possibly even elected makes me weep for the country that has "normalized" this behavior.

Watergate was a SCANDAL and Nixon resigned as a result of it. That doesn't even come CLOSE to what Obama has been involved with and engaged in.

I dunno. The mention in thepittsburghchannel's report that the woman "refused medical attention" seems kinda hinky....

re: #200 Edouard

Edouard, the election may have already been stolen. I do not believe that any of the safeguards for election fraud are routinely observed in "early voting". I believe - and someone let me know otherwise, you show up and vote. There may be a clerk to do the checking, but there are no election judges or anything like that...

I'd even be willing to wager that if you voted early, there might not be anything to prevent you from returning to the poling place to place another vote as well.

As they say in Chicago - BHO's hometown, "Vote early and often!"

Explained on the Corner:

So let's lay out a hypothetical situation. You're in a business that takes payments. You expect some level of outright credit card fraud. Those transactions will be charged back, and you will owe fees on them, unless you use AVS [Address Verification Service] to prevent them. You also have a substantial number of customers who for whatever reason wish to remain anonymous. Your anonymous customers won't do business with you if you use AVS, but you're confident that this set of customers will not dispute their charges. The calculus is simple. If the revenues you expect from anonymous customers exceeds the fees you expect to pay from cardholder disputes leading to chargebacks, then the smart business decision is to turn off AVS.

Now if it's against the law for customers to do business with you anonymously, then facilitating anonymous transactions goes beyond just being a business decision. But if the consequences of looking the other way are no more than having to refund the money several months down the road, then maybe you're happy to take the money as an interest free loan in the meantime.

I hope no one thought I was condoning Watergate. It was a betrayal and people were outraged as well they SHOULD have been.

My point was they outrage for registering voters illegally, for credit card fraud, for having some shady associations with some corrupt officials doesn't seem to apply to Obama.

I guess I am wondering why. It is the acts and behaviors that are wrong and should not matter which party or whether the person is popular or not.

This is probably the tip of the iceberg.

We're possibly talking money laundering into the Obama campaign to the tune of millions of dollars if not more.

Worse, if Obama wins there will likely be no oversight of this, because his administration isn't going to pursue it.

The Bush administration has little political capital to spend on what would appear to be a partisan attack against an Obama win.

And McCain. . .well, he probably won't bother.

So, how much of his donations won't be paid because of fraud?

Just heard about this on FNC.

The famed Barry fundraising prowess is partly based on fraud... as is his candidacy. Good ol' Smoke & Mirrors.

This is pure speculation. Disabling the safety controls would have been intentional. So the donations would get "recorded" but SOME may not have posted to the charge card when the name didn't match.

In the meantime, the Obama campaign would be "counting" all those on their reporting forms which would give the appearance of their taking in far more smaller individual contributions than they actually did.

Those that had fake names and addresses probably did NOT actually go through because the credit card company would have rejected them.

Some though had real names and addresses only the donation was for far more than the person had authorized.

I would hope at this point that no one else will uselessly throw away their money in an effort to prove the already proven point about this fraud.

Stop sending BHO money already! There is enough evidence of fraud at this point to sink a ship, if sanity, reason and truth were only still living in this nation.

Somewhat off topic.

I was wondering how the press are reacting after bending over backwards to cover up for him to get him elected --to Obama's announcement that they would have to BUY admittance to his 2 million victory party.

Sort of says: once elected, he won't have much use for them and he will throw them under the bus!

Getting pretty crowded under that bus!

Maybe we should start a poll as to which Ambassadorship Oprah is going to get!

re: #95 nikis-knight

I think the foreign contributions is a different issue. That occurred as well.

Just as the use of multiple names for a single person to give more than $2300 would be illegal.

Yet an entirely different issue of fraud was that legitimate donors found much larger contributions were showing up and it was only when their credit card notified THEM that the amounts were over the limit that they were able to stop the processing.

Apparently, there are a number of different fraud issues.

re: #200 Edouard

America -- Obama is quite literally stealing our presidential election, and this emerging story will prove to be a significant piece of evidence.

If Obama wins, impeachment papers should be drawn up immediately over this massive fraud on the American people. God knows how many millions directly and anonymously out of foreign countries have helped pay for The One's campaign.

Biggest problem if we have to impeach: President Biden or if he goes down too: President Pelosi. Not a pretty picture....

Daley puts Obama rally tab at $2 million Put that on my credit card, please...

re: #215 Nancy

I think the foreign contributions is a different issue. That occurred as well.

Just as the use of multiple names for a single person to give more than $2300 would be illegal.

Yet an entirely different issue of fraud was that legitimate donors found much larger contributions were showing up and it was only when their credit card notified THEM that the amounts were over the limit that they were able to stop the processing.

Apparently, there are a number of different fraud issues.

Foreign contributions are part of the issue because your address is not recorded in the contribution. It appears that you can contribute from anywhere on the globe because the payment gateway is ignoring addresses.

Here's yet another variation:

National Review Reports on this where the OBAMA campaign contacted a woman whose name was listed for $174,800 in contributions but it was NOT on her own credit card.

Not long ago, the Obama campaign called [Mary Biskup of Manchester, Missouri] to ask why she donated $174,800, which was just $172,500 above the legal limit.

"That's an error," she said.

Biskup told the Post that someone must have used her name but other people's credit cards to donate the money since no charges ever showed up on her bill.

The Obama campaign says they noticed the problem on its own and refunded all the money.

"As we reviewed our contributions and the more than 100,000 pages of our report, we noticed repeat donations from one contributor and proactively contacted the donor to verify whether the contributions were appropriate," said Obama spox Ben LaBolt. "We refunded all of the contributions and contacted authorities when we determined Ms. Biskup had not made them."

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

I have a question related to the Obama spokespersons comment: HOW could they have refunded all those contributions that had been made with Mary Miskup's name when they had no way of knowing who made them?

And, as someone pointed out, if they were on stolen credit cards or prepaid cards, just who did they "refund" that $174,800 to?

Being fraudulent with money targeted for elections is like voting with the money. It is not much harder to conceive that the Sen Obama campaign through his surrogates is pursuing the exact same easy win strategy via actual vote fraud. Fake name to real address.

The MSM pooh poohs ideas about voter fraud not being wide spread and being conflated with fradulent voter registrations that never see the light of day as an actual vote.

but look at the MSM negative treatment of the McCain/Palin campaign. I doubt they are able to get an accurate story on voter fraud together and that it goes unreported.

I JUST GAVE $5 FROM BILBO BAGGINS, RING CARRIER FROM THE SHIRE.

THANKFULLY, AMEX WILL TAKE IT BACK.

re: #199 lizard by the bay

Ace is a man of few (but effective) words.

Not a pretty metaphor. Eeew.

Its fake like the birth cerificate story.
.

re: #26 musicman

Obama denouces this in 5...4...3...

/

ya, by saying the woman should "show restraint".

Simply a national disgrace.

I don't get it. This seems like a bigger deal, if not more sensational, than that thing in Pittsburgh. I would think that credit card fraud and money laundering accusations with some degree of credibility against a presidential campaign would be more interesting than some moron with a blade attacking a female Republican.

I haven't read through all the comments but:
I run credit cards at work, and I do not need to match name and address.
I fill out an invoice, and link the charge to the invoice.
The system although it is attached to the invoice has no relation to the name and address field in the invoice.
It's a small business and is honest in the extreme. All transactions in this system are done with humans as the the failsafe.
We also have an on-line order system, and these are checked by a human.
BUT
No link between name and address and and card.
It's more like swiping a card at the store, the 7/11 could care less about your address.

It's one thing to sell widgets or beer without matching name and address, but how can a presidential campaign who is supposed to keep track of amounts, individuals and nation of origin of income NOT have this stuff be automatic?
It aint hard to set it up that way. Unless of course looking the other way is the SOP