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Bill Ayers' Terrorist Group Discussed Genocide of Americans

Politics | Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:14:17 pm PDT

Former FBI informant Larry Grathwohl infiltrated the Weather Underground and helped prevent several bombing attacks by the group. In this clip from the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide, Grathwohl describes a Weather Underground meeting at which the terrorists discussed the need to murder at least 25 million people—those diehard American capitalists who would resist “reeducation.”

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I asked, “well what is going to happen to those people we can’t reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?” and the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say “eliminate,” I mean “kill.”

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

(Hat tip: Confederate Yankee.)

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1 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:16:13pm

Now they just have to disenfranchise them.

The revolution was not televised!

2 whiskeybeerwine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:16:49pm

Oh My!

3 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:17:23pm

F_ _ k* Bill Ayers!


and the last time I checked it's those evil diehard capitalists who fund Colleges and Universities with grants so pieces of filth like him and his scraggly wife can sit on their asses and poison the minds of children.

* for the complete translation ask Mandy Manners

4 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:04pm

You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

5 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:29pm

The legacy of the Weather Underground is a festering wound which has been mainstreamed into the Democrat party!

Long after this election, win or lose, The Weather Underground will still be walking our streets, and teaching our children.

6 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:38pm

Hey, you want an omelette, you got to BREAK SOME EGGS!
That is what commies always say when you ask them about this.

7 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:19:03pm

re: #1 WrathofG-d

Now they just have to disenfranchise them.

The revolution was not televised!

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy birthday dear wrath
Happy Birthday to you..

8 Desert Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:19:16pm

"......He is just a guy my neighborhood, a college professor......" harmless as a kitten

9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:07pm

Didn't Stalin do this?

10 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:23pm

Fuckers.

11 Adrenalyn  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:26pm

good thing these guys don't have the recipe for Anthrax or some kind of WMD that is small and transportable

12 slotgun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:43pm

Mr. Ayers must have done some calculus, figuring the number of guns in America vastly exceeded the number of revolutionaries. How about that 2nd Amendment, hey, Billy Boy?

13 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:57pm

25,000,000 million people...only 25,000,000 exterminated human beings...but that was when Obama was 8 years old. Nothing to look at here folks, keep moving on.

14 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:21:17pm

The upcoming defense (if they actually give one):

"This was Cincinnati, Ayers was in Chicago! Besides I was 8 at the time."

15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:21:55pm

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

16 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:22:29pm

oops, JCM beat me to it. ;)

17 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:22:56pm

"Those are not the 25,000,000 million people I once knew." -BHO

/

18 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:15pm

re: #13 musicman

25,000,000 million people...only 25,000,000 exterminated human beings...but that was when Obama was 8 years old. Nothing to look at here folks, keep moving on.

According to some people --

"It's not a credible source."
"What does this have to do with Barack Obama?"

I don't know what to say.

19 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:30pm

This country is full of morons that don't believe EVIL
walks among daily!

20 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:32pm

Levin is on this now.

21 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:33pm

And we worry about AQ getting their hands on a suitcase nuke.

22 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:59pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

Lenin and Stalin got a jump start on Hitler and managed to kill a few million more people. The little Corporal failed at this too.

23 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:00pm

Liberal mentality, "As long as me and my family weren't in that group."

*SPIT*

24 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:28pm

Thats me they're talking about. And I'm expecting them.

25 jaunte  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:32pm

25 Million, and I'm One.

26 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

Coward Ayers wouldn't have the balls to fight one red blood American male face to face.

He left bombs to kill judges and their families while they slept.. real Tough guy

27 jamsler  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner!

28 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

There are a lot of us alive in the US who swore To Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States.
Duty calls.

29 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:44pm

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

30 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:17pm

In all seriousness...we are seeing the dumbing down now. In our education system.

We are seeing the realization of these plans in the lack of control of the borders, in the MSM and their propaganda...the bread and circuses are to be had on a nightly basis...

31 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:35pm

"reeducation": Isn't that what they are doing at the Universities now!?

32 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:38pm

If you're not scared of BHO, you should be scared of who he'll have operating around him in the WH....it's not just Ayers & Co.......
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

33 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:39pm

Wish he'd worn a wire.

34 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:52pm

re: #25 jaunte

25 Million, and I'm One.

I'm one too! And my kiddos

35 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:07pm

re: #29 bolivar

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

Ayers reminds me of the Scorpio character from Dirty Harry.

too bad Harry Callahan wasn't the one chasing him in the first place

36 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:37pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d

"reeducation": Isn't that what they are doing at the Universities now!?

Ayers becoming a professor is doing just that.

37 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:57pm

This makes dealing with the aggressive behavioral problems of my Italian Mastiff totally worth it, knowing that these people still exist.

He's not afraid of communists. He knows how to bite, and I know how to shoot.

38 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:03pm

re: #33 ljmw

Wish he'd worn a wire.

It was the "wires" that got the Ayers case dismissed.

39 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:17pm

Does Ayers regret this?

40 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:21pm

The question is why has this psychopath Ayers been permitted to join the faculty of University of Illinois?

(I believe the answer has to do with the wealth and power of his father).

41 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:30pm

re: #32 tradewind

It just get weirder and weirder..............

42 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:50pm

re: #37 Wookieelips

All dogs know how to bite.
Seriously, I hope your homeowners' is up to date, and that there are no small children around.

43 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:58pm

re: #35 Shug

Ayers reminds me of the Scorpio character from Dirty Harry.

too bad Harry Callahan wasn't the one chasing him in the first place

YEAH - MAKE MY DAY!!

44 beens21  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:28pm

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

45 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:30pm

re: #38 JCM

The audio might come in handy now.

46 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:33pm

re: #25 jaunte

25 Million, and I'm One.

By Soviet standards, I'm dead or imprisoned three different ways: religion, education, and political temperament.

47 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:08pm

If Grathwohl had thrown a hand grenade into that room he would have done his country a service, breaking some bad eggs.

48 yochanan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:14pm

re: #21 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And we worry about AQ getting their hands on a suitcase nuke.

the islmo fascists are an added problem but don't worry the leftist will be come muslim after the next major attack on our country as they already support islamist attacks on America and Israel.

49 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:16pm

Linky, linky

snip:


IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Eleven
Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008


McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.

View Results From Prior Days

About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at [Link: www.TIPPonline.com....]

50 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:25pm

PURGE THE MIND-CRIME. PURGE THE PRODUCERS. PURGE THE SELLERS.
PURGE THE WORKERS WHO WON'T BOW DOWN.

/now where is my Che/ Mao purse? I need to go shopping.

51 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:51pm

re: #37 Wookieelips

Mine would show them where all his toys are and expect "PLAYTIME"!
I, on the other hand bite!

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:58pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Does Ayers regret this?

Shake magic 8 ball:

"Sources say, not likely...ever. Nope. Sorry. Never. Are you kidding? What?! Ha ha!"
/

53 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:04pm

re: #49 Typicalwhitey

Linky, linky

snip:

I'm worried moreso about individual states, though.

54 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:07pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Does Ayers regret this?

Yes........
That they didn't succeed.

55 haole  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:08pm

I am Joe Capitalist. Bring it.

56 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:12pm

Who's worse?

A deranged scumbag who committed terrorism in the united States

or

the supposedly sane media which finds every reason in the book to minimize his actions so that it can elect his political buddy to the Presidency.

And what the hell is wrong with the American people who don't protest both the media and the terrorist's buddy from the neighborhood?

57 Nuclear Ninja  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:20pm

Well respected educator...blah blah blah.

58 oh_dude  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:05pm

If this is true (and I fear that it might be), this elevates my opinion of Ayers from wanna-be terrorist to full-on psychopath.

59 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:24pm

re: #36 musicman

It would be interesting to see what the Ex-Weathermen are doing now, and how many went into Government, Teaching, Community Organizing etc.

There you go Zombie, get busy!

60 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:34pm

re: #39 MandyManners

He regrets that they "didn't do more." That they didn't achieve their goals.

61 jaunte  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:38pm

re: #56 Opinionated

It makes you wonder about the political dynamics of Chicago. Ayers was forgiven without apology, and promoted by many of those he would have killed.

62 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:46pm

25 MILLION. 4 times the magnitude of the Holocaust against the Jews. 25 MILLION. Anyone who believes strongly enough in an ideology to slaughter 25 MILLION has a special place in hell reserved for them.

63 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:25pm

PhDs and MDs from leading universities planned and carried out a previous "Final Solution" Can it happen here? Elect Obama, and find out! He did propose a "National Police Force" equal in size and equipment to the US Military. People had better fucking wake up before the shit starts flying!

64 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:27pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

Stalin and Mao are their heroes.

65 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:43pm

You can find the transcript to Larry Grathwohls statement here.
There's a lot more.

Grathwohl: I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

66 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:52pm

re: #49 Typicalwhitey

Linky, linky

snip:

I like the sound of this - now if we can just make it happen. You know it is up to us as the media will fight tooth and nail to pound McCain into the ground. They make me want to puke.

67 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:59pm

Where there is Communism, "righteous" Genocide is not far.

The U.S. is about to elect a Socialist to office!

68 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:05pm

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

69 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:09pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Stalin, actually.

70 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:13pm

I have a dream......
That this piece of excrement would break down on a lonely
highway ............
I say to my wife,"Oh look,someone may need help"
BUUAAAHHH!

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:14pm

"Why do people bring up these distractions?" -BHO

*SPIT*

72 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:35pm

re: #50 FrogMarch

PURGE THE MIND-CRIME. PURGE THE PRODUCERS. PURGE THE SELLERS.
PURGE THE WORKERS WHO WON'T BOW DOWN.

/now where is my Che/ Mao purse? I need to go shopping.

Somewhere I have a Lenin pin with a halo of "commie-red" fire. It looks like Lenin's head is on fire. I was thinking about wearing it for election day if I can fight down the nausea from pinning that thing on me. Might start some interesting conversations.

73 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:43pm

re: #59 WrathofG-d

Some of them were involved with a Brinks robbery here in N.Y. in the early 80s, they killed cops and a security guard.

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:45pm

re: #29 bolivar

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

Bolivar, this country and the rights therein is the reason why we are where we are. The individual right can sometimes outweigh the rights of the many.

Can it be unfair? Sure...but I wouldn't have it another way.

Not that I am defending the guilty parties here. Our rights and the liberality of them are wonderful but they are also our Acchilies heel to the enemy. Which is why we must remain vivilant at all times

Am I afraid of BO winning the election? Sure I am. Do I think that his victory will be the end of our country? Maybe,maybe not.

I rely on the primal urge of the human for freedom. Self dependancy is in bred in us all...to take a religious view, it is a gift from God...either way you look at it...communisum NEVER, EVER works....it goes against the grain...history prooves this out.

There will come a point when the human spirit cries NO MORE. Revolutions were formed on this....our country was founded on this.

This is the faith that I have.

Meanwhile, I will prepare for the worst and pray for the best. Either way...we will survive this.

75 a marine mom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:45pm

The point of this video is re-educating us and offing 25 million americans who are too stoo-pid to understand that our way of life is bad.

BFD? You bet it is. The Democrat candidate for President writes nice things about the re-educator Ayers book and the MSM thinks nothing to report on this.

76 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:01pm

And now this human filth is about to put his deciple on the throne. Bad times a coming.

77 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:30pm

re: #65 HelloDare

You can find the transcript to Larry Grathwohls statement here.
There's a lot more.

Grathwohl: I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

Exactly. Echos!

78 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:34pm

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

79 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:35:23pm

re: #42 tradewind

All dogs know how to bite.
Seriously, I hope your homeowners' is up to date, and that there are no small children around.

No, all dogs know how to nip. They have to be taught to open wide and bite with their back teeth.
When I said dealing with behavioral problems, I meant just that. We've worked hard to rehabillitate him and continue to keep him socialized. It's worth it, though. He's been protection trained, so I never worry about any idiot trying to mug me or break into my house.
He's very tolerant of children.

80 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:35:44pm

Bill Ayers is one person I think should have a constant wire tap on him. This Annenberg Challenge group is supposed to have Republican beginnnings, but it has to have evolved into some goofy leftist board of directors. I wonder what they have to say about enabling Terrorist Ayers.

81 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:21pm

re: #78 musicman

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

I wonder how this fits into the types of highly racist attacks against Obama supporters that might happen one day in the future, because those supposed/potential attacks are what we should be talking about...not the actual attacks happening today against McCain supporters.

82 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:51pm

re: #48 yochanan

the islmo fascists are an added problem but don't worry the leftist will be come muslim after the next major attack on our country as they already support islamist attacks on America and Israel.

I don't know about that Yoch....it is often those who cry the loudest about the "injustice" of the world that are surprised when they find themselves under the yoke of the "prieviously oppressed"...you know...burkas for thee but not for me.

These "empathizers" are often the first against the wall...or in this case, the first on the soccer field/

83 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:53pm

re: #78 musicman

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

I can see the headline now, "McCains 'Ugly Tactics' Provoke Obama Supporter to Lash Out in Self Defense!"

84 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:30pm

re: #44 beens21

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

All of them signed copies, too.

85 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:32pm

re: #40 looking closely

In Ayers's particular case, family connections and prominence in the community may have played a role. But generally speaking, there are 2 reasons why these radicals (cough....cough) are hired.
One is so that college departments can prove to themselves how tolerant they are. Look! We hired someone who wants to blow our brains out!
The other reason is that departments that are almost 100% democratic socialist really do get bored with the uniformity of opinion. They want some sparks. So they hire the Dohrns and Khalidis to perk up the discussion.

/I mean, give them a break. You don't expect them to hire conservatives, do you?

86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:40pm

re: #64 Alouette

Stalin and Mao are their heroes.

You forgot Che!


Don't neglect teh Che!

87 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:47pm

re: #56 Opinionated

Let's just hope this is prescient...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

88 Promethea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:09pm

re: #61 jaunte

It makes you wonder about the political dynamics of Chicago. Ayers was forgiven without apology, and promoted by many of those he would have killed.

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

89 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:15pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

They have an issue with anyone achieving anything.

90 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:38pm

25 million people.

That's four and one-sixth Holocausts, or about one and two-thirds of Stalin's purges, more or less.

I suppose they figured it could be done with greater efficiency here than in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

Hello, World Court, the Hague?

Have I got a Crimes Against Humanity case for you!

/like they'd care

cheers

eon

91 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:44pm

re: #59 WrathofG-d

Check out David Horowitz's Discover the Networks. He has a link at Frontpage.

92 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:45pm

re: #89 Wookieelips

They have an issue with anyone achieving anything.


Except for themselves, of course....

93 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:05pm

I am 25 million!

94 TallTexan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:05pm

There are lots of over-educated, under-brained people who seem themselves as elite intellectuals who earnestly believe that if they were given a chance to implement their special views that the world would be a paradise. Sadly they tend to boil do to past failed social experiments and control or elimination of groups they feel are not worth. Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

95 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:07pm

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:38pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

Why, Michelle, of course!

97 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:47pm

re: #84 Soona'

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.

98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:51pm

Lenin told them you cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That was their morality then. 150 million dead later, it is their morality now. The fact that Obama has proven ties to radical totalitarian scum (and Wright, Ayers, Farakhan and Davis are scum) ought to be a deal breaker but Bush has damaged the Republican brand that Obama has a real shot. Heaven help us if he is not a Carter but a Chavez.

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

99 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:13pm

Just a citizen concerned about social justice and over population./

100 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:43pm

re: #92 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Except for themselves, of course....

I'm pretty sure if they achieved their precious socialist system they'd turn on their first friend to make $1 more than they do.

101 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:43pm

re: #97 tradewind

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.


I believe it too....eventhough I have no degree in literature....I do have a brain though.

Which is why I'm a conservative.

102 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:50pm

Like I said on Ace this morning:

If I'm already marked for death by my government, I may figure I'd prefer to be hung for a sheep rather than a lamb, and decide to have a little "fun" first.

103 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:51pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

Oh come on.

104 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:13pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

I am 25 million!

I know I would have possibly been one of the 25,000,000.

105 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:20pm

but but but Joe the Plumber owes $ 1,200 in back taxes

/ media

106 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:42pm

re: #94 TallTexan

Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

OT - Your nic is "talltexan" and you make a reference to "magicians" and "smart audiences." Are you Walter? If you are you know what I am referencing. If not, please ignore.

107 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:03pm

re: #100 Wookieelips

I'm pretty sure if they achieved their precious socialist system they'd turn on their first friend to make $1 more than they do.


Absolutely...it's like a pissing contest...which is why communism will never work....they forget to consider human nature in the equation.

The Dumb asses.

108 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:14pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

Individual will. God.

109 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:25pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"?

KOS-hmer Rouge.

110 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:46pm

re: #105 Shug

but but but Joe the Plumber owes $ 1,200 in back taxes

/ media

Doesn't that actually BOLSTER the argument to LOWER taxes. He can't even afford the current system! They want to give us MORE!?

111 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:08pm

People have to stop treating Ayers like a reformed juvenile delinquent.

I sent a link to this story to about 8 talk show hosts a couple days ago. Just sent it again to Drudge.

112 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:20pm

re: #88 Promethea

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

Party (or Ideology) before Country.

113 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:28pm

I envision 25 million Joe the Plumbers doing a monkey wrench beat down on these communist assholes if they ever try it.

114 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:47pm

re: #109 Jimash

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Kymer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

115 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:56pm

re: #111 HelloDare

People have to stop treating Ayers like a reformed juvenile delinquent.

I sent a link to this story to about 8 talk show hosts a couple days ago. Just sent it again to Drudge.

But Tookie Williams wrote childrens books!
/
*spit*

116 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:14pm

re: #86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You forgot Che!


Don't neglect teh DouChe!

Fixed that for ya'

117 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:37pm

re: #107 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Absolutely...it's like a pissing contest...which is why communism will never work....they forget to consider human nature in the equation.

The Dumb asses.


They forget that the constitution says all men are created equal, not "all men are or should be equal".
Equal treatment under the law does not guarantee equal wealth or success. Or looks. Or health. Or intelligence. Or sanity....

118 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:41pm

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.

119 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:48pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

He was only 8 years old. Not even.
The question was, who will be the goon squad for the new left.

120 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #115 Oh no...Sand People!

But Tookie Williams wrote childrens books!
/
*spit*


and someday he and Ayers can sit down and discuss them together

121 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #94 TallTexan

There are lots of over-educated, under-brained people who seem themselves as elite intellectuals who earnestly believe that if they were given a chance to implement their special views that the world would be a paradise. Sadly they tend to boil do to past failed social experiments and control or elimination of groups they feel are not worth. Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

There is a restaurant in Branson that has a round table that rises extremely slowing over a 30-40 minute period. To a point where you your meal is table is just about 4 inches lower than your chin A group of mechanical engineers were sitting at the table and during their meal it rose and lowered two times. Funniest thing I have ever saw

122 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:09pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Lenin told them you cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That was their morality then. 150 million dead later, it is their morality now. The fact that Obama has proven ties to radical totalitarian scum (and Wright, Ayers, Farakhan and Davis are scum) ought to be a deal breaker but Bush has damaged the Republican brand that Obama has a real shot. Heaven help us if he is not a Carter but a Chavez.

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

Huh?

123 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Kymer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

No but he wil be the first to bitch and moan when he see that he won't get an equal piece of the pie....another one who will end up on the soccer field.

124 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:24pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
The thing about omlettes is, they are never good for the eggs.

125 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:53pm

From Ann Coulters site.

Left-wing radicals swarm to free foundation money, where they can give gigantic grants to one another and they will never have to do a day's work. That's exactly what Obama and Ayers did with Annenberg's money.

None of the Annenberg money went to schoolchildren. It went to Ayers' left-wing crank friends to write moronic papers that we hope no one ever reads.

126 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:26pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Khmer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

He's just a nerdy Ché Guevara wannabe.

With "skillsets" only two or three other people have" (his words). ::snork::

127 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:34pm

re: #118 maddogg

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.

Well, leftists in positions of power could very well lead to the need to fear Islamic uh...."ultra conservatives", heh.
;-P

128 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:42pm

re: #117 Wookieelips

They forget that the constitution says all men are created equal, not "all men are or should be equal".
Equal treatment under the law does not guarantee equal wealth or success. Or looks. Or health. Or intelligence. Or sanity....


Well the ACLU would disagree...as would BO
at least to your face.

watch out for that rather sharp blade in your back...it'll leave a mark!

129 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:44pm

re: #97 tradewind

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

130 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:53pm

Earlier this week some Lizards were upset when I suggested that the opposition would do the "showers and ovens" thing.

The fact of the matter is that for totalitarians mass slavery and mass murder is their normal behavior. As far as they are actually concerned ordinary human being like us have no rights, including the Right to Life, whatsoever. As far as they are truly concerned we are no better than livestock on their communist farm, either something to be used for their ends or diseased animals to be destroyed.

Totalitarians are nothing less than ENEMIES OF HUMAN KIND.

131 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:11pm

re: #88 Promethea

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

Mayor Daley thinks the crocodiles will eat him last.

132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:44pm

re: #118 maddogg

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.


Me too....semi jacketed hollow points handle the Islamic caveman problem pretty efficiently.

133 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:56pm

re: #121 musicman

There is a restaurant in Branson that has a round table that rises extremely slowing over a 30-40 minute period. To a point where you your meal is table is just about 4 inches lower than your chin A group of mechanical engineers were sitting at the table and during their meal it rose and lowered two times. Funniest thing I have ever saw

You cannot rush the meals of Engineers. It's the best place to do all those napkin sketches we use for creating the next generation of technology.

/You think I'm kidding, don't you?

134 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #119 Jimash

He was only 8 years old. Not even.
The question was, who will be the goon squad for the new left.

Why don't you ask Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and my Man, the Reverend Al that question? I am sure that they will lead those eager to serve as sonderkommando.

135 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:24pm

re: #110 Oh no...Sand People!

Doesn't that actually BOLSTER the argument to LOWER taxes. He can't even afford the current system! They want to give us MORE!?

Someone brought this up at work today. One person said, "Wasn't there really not a real Joe the Plumber?" and another replied, "There is, and he's so against taxes he owes back taxes."
I replied, "My dad owned a plumbing business, and he couldn't usually afford to all of his taxes either."
It isn't for love of cheating or hate of government, I can promise you that much.

136 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:27pm

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

137 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:41pm

I personally don't care about politics... but I don't have that luxury to ignore it since everything these idiots pass affects me and my family personally.

138 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:41pm

This was posted here last week, maybe you should watch it again, it is on topic for this subject.Your text to link...

139 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:50:35pm

re: #85 wolfie


/I mean, give them a break. You don't expect them to hire conservatives, do you?


No. . .although if they truly valued "diversity" they would.
But I don't expect them to hire murderers and psychopaths then give them tenured academic positions. . .particularly one who has written prominently about wanting to indoctrinate people into Communism.
You know, nowadays many colleges do criminal background checks on incoming STUDENTS.
Its possible Ayers couldn't even be admitted as as student at the very University where he holds tenure.
U Illinois should be absolutely ashamed of itself.

140 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:50:45pm

Sorry, I have not posted a link in a while, so I did not name it properly.

141 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:13pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

They assume that if they start first with a "free society" and make everybody equal, then all the individuals will be free. People are forced to be free or else.

America has traditionally begun by freeing the individuals first to do and achieve pretty much whatever they want. In this society, if you aren't experiencing freedom it is your own fault. Almost anything you wish to do you can find the means to make it happen or someone to fund it—if you are willing to do the hard work of finding out how to make it happen.

142 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:14pm

Puma notes;

Don’t forget, Pumas. The Obama campaign really DID steal the caucuses. They really, really did suppress, intimidate, and flat-out CHEAT their way to “victory.” It’s much more difficult to pull off this sort of crap in a federal election. But they’ll do WHATEVER they can to try. Giving $195 MILLION dollars to the mainstream media helps quite a bit too, of course. Jennifer Brunner in Ohio is helping too. Looks like Ed Rendell is a pretty good guy — there is NO intimation of any funny business in Pennsylvania (other than the ACORN shenanigans in Philadelphia, which isn’t coming from the governor).


Donate to your local PUMA pac if you haven't already.

143 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:23pm

re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

Not really, grind and process the bodies into fertilizer for the collective farms.

144 AW  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:49pm

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

145 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:59pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility.

And American Thinker, a great website, is not helping with headlines like, and I paraphrase, More Evidence That Ayers Wrote Obama's Book. I forget the exact title, but they used the word evidence. Nonsense. There is no evidence that Ayers wrote it.

146 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:52:00pm

OT
I love this women!
[Link: hotair.com...]

147 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:52:51pm

re: #119 Jimash

I don't see Kos going around and killing millions of people, but then again I don't know the guy. But it wasn't/isn't right to draw him into the actual murder or planned murder of millions of people.

Would he play a part if we had a redo? Possibly, but who knows.

148 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:17pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts? Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Who wants this first? Any takers? Or should I go ahead?

149 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."


That may be, but as an avid reader, one can spot consistencies in the work of an author...the body of the work, that is.

We all have habits and we all write a certain way...it's like handwriting... you can try to disguise it, or even forge it, but there are consistent patterns that cannot be overcome, because they are unconscious...the same applies to writing.

You can tell Hemingway by his writing, just as you can tell Patricia Cornwell, or Jane Austin or Twain....

Themes, symbolism, syntax..all carry over from work to work...

That's what I have observed.

I'm not saying I believe Cashill...but he does make a good argument for his hypothesis.

150 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:38pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

All yours.

151 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:40pm

It's a small step from hate to murder. A frighteningly small step.

152 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:49pm

re: #135 nikis-knight

Someone brought this up at work today. One person said, "Wasn't there really not a real Joe the Plumber?" and another replied, "There is, and he's so against taxes he owes back taxes."
I replied, "My dad owned a plumbing business, and he couldn't usually afford to all of his taxes either."
It isn't for love of cheating or hate of government, I can promise you that much.

I still owe a few hundred from last year's taxes, which is why I haven't gotten a "economic stimulus" check yet - I asked the IRS if they could apply it to what I owe, but no, it doesn't work that way...

I'm in the real estate business, so you can imagine how tight money has been the last couple of years.

153 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:58pm

re: #126 Spiny Norman

funny.

My point was not to defend KOS for his own bad behavior, and stupid remarks, but to defend him from FALSE slander.

As bad as he is/might be, he isn't killing millions of people.

154 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:00pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

Clobber 'im, Walter.

155 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:09pm

re: #143 maddogg

Not really, grind and process the bodies into fertilizer for the collective farms.

Soyent Green?

156 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:09pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

GAZE

157 willowone  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:11pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

i have the duct tape.

158 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:11pm

The whole point of the "march through the institutions" is to eliminante the need for such tacky things as gulags. It is true that many leftists have a fascination w/ violence, an almost erotic attraction to the Ches and Bin Ladens and Dohrns. But they themselves do not want to kill.

The modern left is NICE...........and it will preserve the veneer (but not the substance) of constitutional forms.

The NICE left, just like the Weathermen, doesn't quite know what the New Age will look like........or what they will do when it is achieved. You will notice that they can only tell you what they DON'T like and therefore what must be destroyed.

The left is parisitical and purely destructive.

159 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:14pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

Once again, Charles, I commend you for stepping so decisively on the nut elements in our own camp.
This is especially important now that the birth certificate conspiraloons have now gone from demented to depraved, posting what they claim are nude photos of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham.
Disgusting as it is, I can't help but think that it would be pretty funny if Ann turned out to be underage when these were taken, and these idiots get arrested for posting them.

160 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:21pm

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

161 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:27pm

re: #130 The Other Les

Earlier this week some Lizards were upset when I suggested that the opposition would do the "showers and ovens" thing.

The fact of the matter is that for totalitarians mass slavery and mass murder is their normal behavior. As far as they are actually concerned ordinary human being like us have no rights, including the Right to Life, whatsoever. As far as they are truly concerned we are no better than livestock on their communist farm, either something to be used for their ends or diseased animals to be destroyed.

Totalitarians are nothing less than ENEMIES OF HUMAN KIND.

Frankly, I'm more worried that they will, in the near term, just make us a lot more like Europe. While I might enjoy the 35 hour work weeks, provided that I even had a job, and the 6 weeks paid vacation right from the start of my employment, I would not appreciate handing over most of my paycheck every payday, having to wait weeks for a Doctor's appointment, and having to put up with a bureaucracy that wasn't merely incompetent, but malicious.

162 fish  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:40pm

re: #126 Spiny Norman

He's just a nerdy Ché Guevara wannabe.

With "skillsets" only two or three other people have" (his words). ::snork::

What Skill? The ability to type with your head up you rear?

163 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:52pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

This is a professor of education. Whether Obama wins or not, the infiltration of social institutions be people dedicated to the destruction of our way of life (um, and us as well) is rather on point for the very purpose of this blog.

So, uh, go piss up a rope.

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:55:34pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts? Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Fuck off. If you don't like what you are reading, then don't comment. This ain't your blog. If you don't like the material, go start your own. Blogspot or Wordpress, look it up asshole.

165 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:55:36pm

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

166 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:18pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Effective, and to the point. Thank you!

167 willowone  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:19pm

Phillip Berg is a Philadelphia attorney, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania and Hillary Clinton for President supporter. He is a former gubernatorial and senate candidate, as well as a former Deputy Attorney General

168 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:27pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation? I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Careful, you almost mentioned "the story that cannot be named."

169 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:36pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

Ugh, so that's what it is. Can't believe how tiny it is, compared to my husband's.

170 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:37pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Troofer extraordinaire.

Yes, "9/11 was an inside job" and all that.

171 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:46pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Have you considered your options for self gratification? Do it now!

172 Celtic Templar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:50pm

re: #113 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I hope, but the Stalinist strategy is the worst form of terror. It starts with property appropriation and a clamp down on free speech. This will happen. Then they threaten your family. They will go for the weakest link, your children. Your children will be reeducated. And you will either assimilate, be forced to assimilate, or isolated (ala gulag archipelago). Will it look like the soviet union? Probably not, probably masked by taxes, social services, fairness legislation. But it will be the same.

OT: Anyone voting in NJ know about the public questions on the ballot? I don't have background, so any help would be appreciated (even to point me to how they got on the ballot).

Thanks,

-CT

173 norar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:55pm

Well, Ayers and Co were Communists, so it's not that surprising that they were following in the steps of Lenin and Stalin. The concentration camps for 're-education' were created by Lenin's government. Their long forgotten (unlike Gulag's) victims were these pesky liberal professors and other liberals of the time, i.e. republicans, democrates and 'social revolutionaries', that did not entirely agree with the Communists, and thus were made to work for the good of bright future.

Pitty really that all these donors to Obamas hope of building Communist America by subversion campaign never heared of Solovetzky Monastery.

174 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:03pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.


I would respond but that would be spun as being 'RACIST!"

/mental contortions...gotta love em.

175 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:11pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

From The Anarchist's Cookbook, by William Powell (Lyle Stuart, 1971):

When discussing any type of weapon, the most important factor is not the acquisition of that weapon, but rather its application. An example of this is present everyday in any slum neighborhood. The gangs of young kids that run around with their makeshift weapons could be one of the most potentially dangerous forces in America, if they only learned how to make full use of the weapons available to them. Every great political leader and powerful tyrant has realized the wealth of energy, courage, and blind cruelty in the age group between 12 and 16 years old. These kids aren't scared, they have no concept of death, they love excitement, and with training could make the best commandos. Hitler used the young people of Germany in "Hitler Youth", a young terrorist organization that was probably one of the most effective the world has ever seen. Mao also employs 13- and 14- year-olds in his Red Gurad, because they have not yet developed a conscience for their actions. The development of this age group has begun in the United States with political involvement on a high school and junior high school level, but, at the same time, the energy present must not be drowned in dogma. It must be channeled through education into specialized fields, which will be necessary for the great change in store for them.

Ayers wasn't the only one thinking in these terms, and talking about it, as you see here.

/don't smack me, I don't write 'em, I just report 'em

cheers

eon

176 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:20pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.


Don't hope for someone to claim it....it's a very, very small penis.

177 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:38pm

re: #139 looking closely

U Illinois should be ashamed.
So should the tax-payers of Illinois.

178 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:42pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

AW
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 11:10 am
No. of comments posted: 1,144
No. of links posted: 1

Go piss up a rope.

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:49pm
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Evidence that the GOP Plans to Steal the Election
Police departments across the country are 'beefing up their ranks' in anticipation of violence, civil unrest or peaceful protests on election day. Police merely 'gearing up' for unrest is one thing. But a combat brigade has been withdrawn from Iraq for the stated objective of dealing with 'civil unrest'. That's something else! It's against the law.

Clearly --the police powers of established 'government' anticipate that the GOP will steal another election. Cops and troops probably know what we are left to fear: another GOP attack on the Constitution, Democracy and legitimate government.

[...]

Certainly --the peaceful resolution of the disputed 'election' of 2000 was subverted by a gang of GOP 'brownshirts' who rioted and attacked vote re-counters in Florida. The act violated US criminal codes. It was, in fact, an act of 'seditious treason' under US law. No one was arrested. No one was prosecuted. The fix was in.

The peace was broken with that act and the Bush government merely confirmed its illegitimacy with its every blatant and arrogant violation of the Constitution and US Federal statutes and its overt determination to rule by decree. If it was difficult to believe at the time that the GOP was stealing the government, that fact was made clear in retrospect with Bush's every decree, his every blatant, overt disregard for the very principle of the ''rule of law".

I will be surprised if the GOP allows a peaceful transition to a Democratic regime. I hope I am proven wrong. Having gone to so much trouble to trash the Constitution --a 'goddamned piece of paper' --Bush, in cahoots with the endemically crooked and treasonous GOP, are sure to attempt another coup d'etat! The idiot --Sarah Palin --does not reassure one when she calls for 'divine intervention' to reverse the GOPs recent precipitous decline into oblivion.

These people always have the justification. Let's make sure they never have the means.

180 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:52pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Did AW post his account details on BugMeNot?

181 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:56pm

re: #147 WrathofG-d

Himmler looked like a bookkeeper. Yet, how many people was he responsible for killing?

182 Cicero05  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:00pm

Leftists and big body counts -- they just go together.

183 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:32pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

Yes. It's a penis. A lot of people are loosing wieght and getting healthy. We find a lot of penises her lately.

This has been a public service announcement from the American Medical Society.

184 RTLM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:48pm

Without fail every Obama supporter I've come across is either hateful toward the US or completely misinformed. Usually large portions of both.

NOPE

185 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:51pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut.

ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

186 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:52pm

Notice how we never see Howard Dean?

187 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:57pm

Charles, Confederate Yankee, et al -

I'm glad the inventory of these things are being cataloged on LGF... kind of like the Euro supremacist info last year. This stuff is even worse than I knew about (or ever bothered to look into). All hail, once again, to our law enforcement and military types who managed to break up these type things, when the Euros let them go. And now thank you LANL for the internet, which may actually have shown up in the nick of time to shine the light into the dark corners (or maybe not, we'll find out over the next decade or so).

But that said, you do realize that even reasonable people who have chewed up and swallowed the dinosaur media's marketing materials for Obama and the Dems cannot be swayed by any, ANY information. They are sick at this point and it will take time for them to detox, if they ever do. It's really unbelievable to me what the Dem party has done.

188 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:13pm

re: #143 maddogg

Ah, yes. Thanks. Problem solved.

189 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:35pm

re: #162 fish

What Skill? The ability to type with your head up you rear?

He said it on C-Span. I think he was referring to his unequaled skills as internet webmaster/designer and political kingmaker, or something equally pretentious.

190 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:46pm

re: #181 FamHistoryGuy

Himmler looked like a bookkeeper. Yet, how many people was he responsible for killing?

Yeppers...I dated this harmless looking guy for a while...till I found out his dad was mobbed up and he was in daddy's crew.

191 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:50pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Careful, you almost mentioned "the story that cannot be named."

Rush brought the dude up IIRC. I was like..."Come on Rush..you know better."

192 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:11pm

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

193 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:46pm

re: #185 Charles

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut. ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

Charles, you parse out tags and the such. Can you just parse posts with certain names and keywords and ignore them before they get put away in the database?

194 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:59pm

re: #192 BBEV

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

The sun will be shining at noon day and they will deny it's light.

195 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:00pm

re: #192 BBEV

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

Propaganda? So quoting people in context is propaganda now?

196 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:03pm

re: #191 Oh no...Sand People!

Rush did say he did not really believe it, but did not really know.

197 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #181 FamHistoryGuy

When KOS actually murders someone, or specifically causes the murder of someone (negligently or maliciously) then I will call him a Murderer.

Until then, I will not allow my dislike of his political stance to cause me to lose all sense of decency, and cause me to compare him to the Kymar Rouge, or Ayers & Co. who wished to overthrown the U.S. and murder 25 million people.

198 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:13pm

The One says the first 95% of the 25 million would only be killed in proportion to their ability to pay.

199 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:32pm

re: #145 HelloDare

American Thinker makes WorldNetDaily look positively journalistic.

200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:47pm

re: #185 Charles

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut.

ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

I think it's funny that some of the donations to BO's campaign are in his name....what is it, some troofer homage?

201 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:00pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

As someone who served in Vietnam, I don't think Bill Ayers is irrelevant at all. He and the other radical associates of Obama are VERY relevant to this election, perhaps more relevant than any other issue.

Personally, I find you to be pathetic and irrelevant.

203 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:34pm

Obama hangs with fascist. What a surprise.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:46pm

re: #197 WrathofG-d

When KOS actually murders someone, or specifically causes the murder of someone (negligently or maliciously) then I will call him a Murderer.

Until then, I will not allow my dislike of his political stance to cause me to lose all sense of decency, and cause me to compare him to the Kymar Rouge, or Ayers & Co. who wished to overthrown the U.S. and murder 25 million people.


KOS is a rube, a useful idiot...he will be eliminated when his usefulness wears off.

205 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:59pm

re: #195 nikis-knight

Propaganda? So quoting people in context is propaganda now?

I think I said that wrong, Zombie's link is fact, there is a book and there it is for them to see

206 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:06pm

re: #198 jcbunga

The One says the first 95% of the 25 million would only be killed in proportion to their ability to pay.


ROFL

207 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:11pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor [That Ayers ghostwrote Obama's book], Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."


The second part, I agree with. He's no authority.

But as to the first part. . .I don't know. The story is plausible.

Obama really has written absolutely NOTHING in his entire career prior to publishing a hit autobiography, where he originally defaulted on his literary advance, and he's written nothing of consequence OTHER than these memoirs. I've done enough writing and seen enough to know that people who don't write an awful lot tend to be pretty lousy at it.

This doesn't mean that Ayers actually wrote the book. But it is possible he (or someone else) helped Obama polish it? Absolutely. Is Ayers a plausible candidate? I think so.

I also think this is a testable hypothesis. Remember how a few years back the Clinton politcal satire "Primary Colors" was published anonymously, but computer software was ultimately used to match the book to its actual author?

I bet this sort of thing could be done with Obama's book(s) and some of Ayers contemporary books to generate a likelihood of authorship.

208 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:27pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

To whomever wrote that article:
Man, lay off the 'shooms and KoolAid™. It's freaking you out.

209 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:27pm

re: #149 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

210 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:33pm

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

The sun will be shining at noon day and they will deny it's light.

Ya that has been they way it's been with them

211 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:44pm

re: #196 Tarkus289

Rush did say he did not really believe it, but did not really know.

True, but it still had the, 'I'll just mention it...just in case of the '1% hope that it is true' aspect...then I can claim I was right.' But with the whole, 'Not sure it's true' he can now effectively play both sides of the argument.

I just don't like the tactic. Understand it. Just don't like it.

212 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:02pm

re: #199 jwpaine

American Thinker makes WorldNetDaily look positively journalistic.

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

213 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:03pm

re: #4 JCM

You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

You must purge with fire and blood.

Yeah, I always comforted myself by saying these proclamations were absurd and the product of jacked up Europeans and mixed up Eurasians. Now it's on our American horizon. I'm concerned. I'm very concerned.

214 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:04pm

Eichmann did it. Pol Pot did it. Now, the American electorate would embrace the man who would condone such things, even indirectly.
What the hell is wrong with people?

215 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:19pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

Ramsey Clarke on steroids.

216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:40pm

re: #207 looking closely

The second part, I agree with. He's no authority.

But as to the first part. . .I don't know. The story is plausible.

Obama really has written absolutely NOTHING in his entire career prior to publishing a hit autobiography, where he originally defaulted on his literary advance, and he's written nothing of consequence OTHER than these memoirs. I've done enough writing and seen enough to know that people who don't write an awful lot tend to be pretty lousy at it.

This doesn't mean that Ayers actually wrote the book. But it is possible he (or someone else) helped Obama polish it? Absolutely. Is Ayers a plausible candidate? I think so.

I also think this is a testable hypothesis. Remember how a few years back the Clinton politcal satire "Primary Colors" was published anonymously, but computer software was ultimately used to match the book to its actual author?

I bet this sort of thing could be done with Obama's book(s) and some of Ayers contemporary books to generate a likelihood of authorship.


See also my post at 129....


Like I said, interesting hyphothesis.....

217 majic1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:53pm

THIS is why we have a Second Amendment.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:08pm

Honestly, the only part of me that hopes O'bama wins is the part of me that wants him to have to deal with Troofers for four years.

They got all kinds of stuff to be trippin on him. They're gonna turn on him during his inauguration speech.

(did I just say his inauguration?) (shudder...)

219 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:16pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.


magnifying glass----check

yep, I see it now

220 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:22pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

Now you've done. I'm craving a Snickers.

221 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:37pm

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

222 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:37pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

223 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:05pm

re: #220 CyanSnowHawk

done it.

PIMF.
/I hate it when a typo kills a snark.

224 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:07pm

re: #222 kawfytawk

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

Did someone mention Jack Thompson?

/sorry couldn't resist.

225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:40pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Two morons exchanging pleasantries, I'd guess.

226 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:47pm

re: #211 Oh no...Sand People!

True, but it still had the, 'I'll just mention it...just in case of the '1% hope that it is true' aspect...then I can claim I was right.' But with the whole, 'Not sure it's true' he can now effectively play both sides of the argument.

I just don't like the tactic. Understand it. Just don't like it.

Howard Dean said, 4 or so yearrs ago, something to the effect that GWB knowing about 9/11 in advance was and interesting theory. He didn't say it was true, but it was interesting.

Just as wrong here, though of course the charges are much less serious. Innuendos are not a valid form of persuasion, no matter the stakes.

227 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:58pm

re: #202 Charles


thanks charles.


wow.

sybil had multiple personalities. this guy has multiple conspiracies.

228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:00pm

re: #209 ljmw

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

As I said in comment 129..it's an interesting hyphothesis, and it shoudn't be discounted because of the person presenting the argument...

229 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:02pm

I once did the math to determine the average daily bodycount racked up by all Marxists since November of 1917. At the time I did the math it worked out to a bit over 3000 lives a day.

In contrast the administration of General Pinochet in Chile is blamed for (or credited with) the deaths of a bit under 3000 Marxists. The Chilean Marxists themselves estimated that they would have to kill somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Chileans to achieve their version of a Worker's Paradise.

Which works out to 166 to 333 Human lives saved for every Marxist killed by the Pinochet Administration.

No. I'm not suggesting anything here...

230 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:03pm

OT: We voted to require id at the polls. So, here's what it says now:


VOTER IDENTIFICATION
When you present yourself at your polling place
for early voting or voting on Election Day, you are
required to give one of the following forms of voter
identification:
•Averbal or written statement by the voter of the
voter’s name, year of birth, and registered
address; or
• aphysical form of identification including, but
not limited to, a valid photo ID (with or without
address) or an original or copy of a utility bill,
government check, a paycheck, or a student or
tribal ID that shows your name and address. The
address is not required to match the voter’s
certificate of registration.
231 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:08pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

I don't think re-education camps have 401K's. I might be wrong.

232 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:23pm

re: #208 David IV of Georgia

To whomever wrote that article:
Man, lay off the 'shooms and KoolAid™. It's freaking you out.

Check the comments for confirmation of your analysis.

233 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:31pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

Why does Jack Cashill lack credibility?

234 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:53pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?

235 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:02pm

But the f-ing Obamedia got much more important things to talk about, like how much Sarah Palin paid for makeup. May they go bancrupt soon!

236 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:17pm

re: #213 Russkilitlover

You must purge with fire and blood.

Yeah, I always comforted myself by saying these proclamations were absurd and the product of jacked up Europeans and mixed up Eurasians. Now it's on our American horizon. I'm concerned. I'm very concerned.

I'm concerned also, but don't think it's very likely to go to far.

The One if he wins will have less than 50% of the vote. He and a (D) will seriously over reach and the '10 midterms will make the Gingrich revolution look mild. The most serious long term effects will be how soon the aging libs on SOCTUS retire and get replaced.

237 Summer  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:28pm
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

Kind of what it must be like to sit in a classroom today with 25 people, all of whom are getting graduate degrees at Columbia or other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out how wonderful Islam is for women, gays, Jews, Christians, and other "tolerated" people, while they ignore the 2.5 billion people or more that Islam killed along the way to get to where it is today.

Kind of like that.

238 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:48pm

re: #234 BBEV

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?

Maybe, but I think this is all a manipulation get Obama elected. Just my suspicion.

239 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:56pm

re: #234 BBEV

I've thought that before - good point! The market's already pricing in the lowered profits due to increased taxation...

240 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:01pm

re: #230 Sunlight

If that wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. So Sunlight is that your real name? It is? You swear? Ok here are 10 ballots, just fill out one ok?

~

241 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:12pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?


Unless my family is literally starving, I cannot comprehend putting my money ahead of my country priority wise. (And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

242 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:47pm

re: #240 WrathofG-d

If that wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. So Sunlight is that your real name? It is? You swear? Ok here are 10 ballots, just fill out one ok?

~

Sunlight, can you tell us which state that is?

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:18pm

re: #241 nikis-knight

(And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

I'm kinda hungry.

244 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #144 AW

If you are talking about the Ayers thing as a campaign issue, I agree that it is not going anywhere. And no, despite the fact that Obama has associated and worked with a few persons allied with the violent left (e.g. Weatherman, Hamas, PLO), I do not think Obama is about to usher in an era of violent totalitarianism.

But as something for general discussion, I think the "Ayers thing" is very worthwhile. The mainstream of the American left tolerates, often condones, violent extremists of the left. That is the point that needs to be addressed.
(The mainstream of the American left, incidentally, considers Sarah Palin and Robert Bork to be intolerable.)

245 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:26pm

I was at a very nice dinner party last night - lots of great food, fine wine, and good company. No one wanted to talk politics or the economy, or anything other than movies, art, and lovely vacations. I was SHARPLY reminded, about 1/3 of the way through dinner, of the scene in Dr. Zhivago when Lara walks into the elegant party and shoots her rapist/lover.

246 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:28pm

re: #233 kansas

Why does Jack Cashill lack credibility?

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.

247 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:31pm

re: #209 ljmw

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

Dan Rather has (or had) "credentials as a journalist".

So, for that matter, did Lincoln Steffens.

Neither one of them was exactly reliable, either.

As for me, ID belief, like "Troofer-ism", is an immediate signal that the individual in question may not be the most reliable witness around- sort of like my opinion of "UFO Abduction Investigators" who use hypnotic regression to "recover hidden memories" from "abductees". (See The Abduction Enigma by Kevin D. Randle, Russ Estes, and William P. Cone, Ph.D.)

People lacking in the ability to evaluate data critically make poor advocates for any "position".

/just MO

cheers

eon

248 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:36pm

Bill Ayers / The Weather Underground

Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."

~WOW, so "radical"....nothing to see here....move on, dig it!~

249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:46pm

Your text to link...re: #234 BBEV

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?


And it will move into really sucish territory if this happens:

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/ 58.php

250 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:49pm

re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

Soylent Green!

251 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:54pm

The willingness to murder 25 million people is chilling, but frankly not surprising given the low value communists place on human life.

What is revealing however is the fact that the Weathermen gave no thought whatsoever to the practical issues of policy or governance. They were concerned only with power. What current Presidential campaign does that remind you of?

252 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:59pm

re: #241 nikis-knight

Unless my family is literally starving, I cannot comprehend putting my money ahead of my country priority wise. (And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

I agree totally. I think the guy was a total tool, but then he and all the ACORN registrees get to vote as much as they want.

253 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:23pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.


I think its relevant if the future President of the United States has a history of working with and hanging out with anti-American radical Communist terrorists, yes.

I'm silly that way.

Meanwhile, there are major gaps in Obama's CV, his story with respect to Ayers is full of holes, and there are many unanswered questions with respect to that relationship. Either Ayers or Obama could put an end to this at any time, merely by answering a few questions. . .if Obama's story were actually true.

254 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:39pm

re: #244 wolfie

If you are talking about the Ayers thing as a campaign issue, I agree that it is not going anywhere. And no, despite the fact that Obama has associated and worked with a few persons allied with the violent left (e.g. Weatherman, Hamas, PLO), I do not think Obama is about to usher in an era of violent totalitarianism.

But as something for general discussion, I think the "Ayers thing" is very worthwhile. The mainstream of the American left tolerates, often condones, violent extremists of the left. That is the point that needs to be addressed.
(The mainstream of the American left, incidentally, considers Sarah Palin and Robert Bork to be intolerable.)

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

255 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:46pm

re: #221 kansas

I saw one of the most conservative people I know straightening out his Obama sign in the front yard. I had to drive by again to make sure my eyes were not deceiving me. I know the guy and his wife have a lot of money tied up in 401 Ks and IRAs.

Fortunately I don't or I might be thinking of making a protest vote myself. I intend to do that with my representatives who should have been riding through the streets screaming "a bailout is coming."

Thank God none of these guys/gals were at Valley Forge.

256 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:52pm

re: #230 Sunlight

That's kind of like saying, "You are required to be at work on time everyday, or at least try to make it in by noon." In other words, not a requirement in anyway whatsoever.

257 Querent  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:00pm

re: #187 Sunlight


But that said, you do realize that even reasonable people who have chewed up and swallowed the dinosaur media's marketing materials for Obama and the Dems cannot be swayed by any, ANY information. They are sick at this point and it will take time for them to detox, if they ever do. It's really unbelievable to me what the Dem party has done.

yes, we've all got Post-Obama Stress Disorder

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #246 Charles

Like I said, the "troofer's'll have a hell of a time with Obama.

Can troofer be added to the spell check, Charles? Do you have that ability along with your other superpowers?

259 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:28pm

re: #147 WrathofG-d

I try to trim my thoughts down to as few syllables as possible.
I guess I didn't mean him personally so much as that his audience .

260 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:43pm

re: #238 kansas

Maybe, but I think this is all a manipulation get Obama elected. Just my suspicion.

I agree with that also. The high fuel prices surly start everything off and there is no way anyone can tell me it was not preordained by the left!

261 fluffyabsolutist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:45pm

25 million is quite extravagant compared to how many Americans Al Quaeda estimate need killing. And that's back in the 60s too.

262 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:56pm

re: #190 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That had to have had you looking over your shoulder for a while.

263 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:20pm

re: #240 WrathofG-d

A retired judge (very prominent dem) told me we can't ask for picture IDs because it supresses the democratic vote.
/not kidding, I almost fainted. Different planets going on here.

264 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:21pm

ha.
Just got cut off by the savage nation call screener after telling them that Berg is a 9/11 truther.

265 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:22pm

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm kinda hungry.

Trying the Atkins diet?
/

266 amphibian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:25pm

re: #74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Bolivar, this country and the rights therein is the reason why we are where we are. The individual right can sometimes outweigh the rights of the many.

Can it be unfair? Sure...but I wouldn't have it another way.

Not that I am defending the guilty parties here. Our rights and the liberality of them are wonderful but they are also our Acchilies heel to the enemy. Which is why we must remain vivilant at all times

Am I afraid of BO winning the election? Sure I am. Do I think that his victory will be the end of our country? Maybe,maybe not.

I rely on the primal urge of the human for freedom. Self dependancy is in bred in us all...to take a religious view, it is a gift from God...either way you look at it...communisum NEVER, EVER works....it goes against the grain...history prooves this out.

There will come a point when the human spirit cries NO MORE. Revolutions were formed on this....our country was founded on this.

This is the faith that I have.

Meanwhile, I will prepare for the worst and pray for the best. Either way...we will survive this.

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

267 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:49pm

re: #236 JCM

I'm concerned also, but don't think it's very likely to go to far.

The One if he wins will have less than 50% of the vote. He and a (D) will seriously over reach and the '10 midterms will make the Gingrich revolution look mild. The most serious long term effects will be how soon the aging libs on SOCTUS retire and get replaced.

An Obama Administration may not even wait until they retire. A Democrat Senate could vote to increase the size of the Court with a simple majority, and without the ability to filibuster, the GOP could do nothing about it. How does 11 Supreme Court Justices sound to ya? Or maybe 13? An untouchable Liberal majority for 30 years or more...

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:14:48pm

re: #265 nikis-knight

Nope. Always get hung up on the bacon, steak, chicken, etc.

I just killed me a beaut of a potato tho.

269 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:10pm

re: #144 AW

Pray tell when it became inappropriate to remark on a person who could be considered to have committed treason under the Constitution of the US and who is an associate of one of the candidates for POTUS?

270 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:25pm

re: #246 Charles

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.

#1 OK
#2 Hmmmm. I'll have to check into that. Not a credible theory?
#3 Kook. Hmmmm. I'll check into that further. I think he is from here. I used to listen to him on the radio. He was listenable.

271 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:33pm

re: #266 amphibian

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies and Reagan said STFU, STFD.

Fixed that for ya.

272 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:40pm

re: #266 amphibian

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

Kind of like my home state of Illinois and the Dhim party that spawned Obomber...

273 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:49pm

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

Voters overwhelmingly believe that the media wants Barack Obama to win the presidential election. By a margin of 70%-9%, Americans say most journalists want to see Obama, not John McCain, win on Nov. 4. Another 8% say journalists don't favor either candidate, and 13% say they don't know which candidate most reporters support.

The question is do those 70% take the next logic step and ask if most journalists want The One to win, is it affecting the coverage?

Apparently not.

The latest Pew weekly News Interest Index survey, conducted October 17-20, shows that changing opinions of Obama have been more favorable than unfavorable in these waning days of the campaign,
274 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:55pm

re: #262 FamHistoryGuy

That had to have had you looking over your shoulder for a while.

Just a bit....but then I was just the girlfriend...I never, ever saw anything or heard anything.

Credit to the BF, he was cool when I dropped him.

275 Rule303  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:57pm

To be completely correct their plan was not "Genocide" as it was not aimed at a specific race, just wrong thinking regressives and counterrevolutionaries.
No, what the WU had in mind was only murder on a massive scale (but certainly nothing to match the efforts of other well meaning agents of Change in places like the Soviet Union, PRC, or Germany).
Hey, they were just a bunch of crazy kids! Surely we should cut them some slack for their enthusiasm for a Bright New World?

276 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #212 HelloDare

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

277 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:37pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

That's a big bowl of cognitive dissonance right there.

278 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:09pm

re: #249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Your text to link...


And it will move into really sucish territory if this happens:

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/arti cle/25/83/58.php

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

279 loppyd  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:26pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

And most people don't like to be told how to think or what to think.

I feel a backlash coming down the pike.

280 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:36pm

re: #248 WrathofG-d

Bill Ayers / The Weather Underground

Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."

~WOW, so "radical"....nothing to see here....move on, dig it!~

The Red Army and Baader Meinhof intimidated the Euros for years. For example... the Munich Olympics after which I was followed around by MPs with dogs for a couple of weeks because they were threatening to kidnap kids of American commanders at bases in Germany. I tell you, when I hear people I know say that the U.S. govt is the problem in America, not any terrorists, I want to scream. They're going to give it all away just by being provincial and not knowing what it's like with random terrorists doing stuff. Europe knows.

281 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:55pm

re: #277 JSK1121

That's a big bowl of cognitive dissonance right there.


Don't they use electro shock therapy for that?

282 joncelli  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:21pm

re: #267 Spiny Norman

FDR tried that. It's unconstitutional.

283 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #281 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Don't they use electro shock therapy for that?

Lightning storm on November 4? That'll at least depress the democratic turnout. Couldn't hurt I guess.

284 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #255 ljmw

I saw one of the most conservative people I know straightening out his Obama sign in the front yard. I had to drive by again to make sure my eyes were not deceiving me. I know the guy and his wife have a lot of money tied up in 401 Ks and IRAs.

Fortunately I don't or I might be thinking of making a protest vote myself. I intend to do that with my representatives who should have been riding through the streets screaming "a bailout is coming."

Thank God none of these guys/gals were at Valley Forge.

I read today that the Dems want to do away with IRA and 401 tax deductibility. To vote for Obama based upon the temporary condition of the stock market is moronic. If they really support his policies, and believe what he says, which I don't, then they should vote for him.

285 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:32pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Always get hung up on the bacon, steak, chicken, etc.

I just killed me a beaut of a potato tho.

portobello "burgers" rock

286 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:41pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

To paraphrase Obama, I must not be reading AT on those days.

287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:42pm

re: #278 BBEV

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

288 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:58pm

re: #9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Didn't Stalin do this?

Mao too. The Weather Underground took their inspiration from Mao Tse-Tung. Including the title of Ayer's "Prairie Fire" book.

"Marxism-Leninism Mao Tse-Tung thought" was the credo of the 60's ultra left.

Come to think of it are any of you lizards aware of a connection between any of the Weather Underground figures and Bob Avakian's "Revolutionary Communist Party"? Those bastards are Maoists too.

289 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:08pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

Been busy and away from the keyboard. Have at it.

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:18pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

WND is all over the place. They are still trying to peddle the Obama Birth Certificate as well as Michelles 'racist' call to a foreign new agency...

291 spaceman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:21pm

re: #145 HelloDare

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

For Starters: I'm happy to respect the host Lizard's rules in his own house. I appreciate his hospitality, and value this community. Until the topic is banned (soon I fear) however, I do have a few more words to add.

I noticed myself that Dr. Cashill is an Intelligent Design peddler. For good cause, that tends to make him persona non grata in these parts. (As an aside, I have much appreciated the unorthodox choice Charles made with his politically centered blog to take on this pressing cultural issue of science education.) However, this is insufficient cause in my opinion to dismiss his case on this subject. The merits of his argument can be analyzed with little or no faith extended to him personally. The very long string of coincidences which support his conclusion are laid out cogently, and I would say, fairly convincingly.

I take exception to the statement from 145, and from Charles in a prior thread that there is "no evidence" to support these claims. The evidence is by all admissions circumstantial, but it is certainly evidence nonetheless. If people want to argue that we have better things to spend our time on, then I can appreciate that point of view. If people want to wait and watch and see what develops, I can respect that point of view.

By its very nature though, the web is a forum for a somewhat more free flow of developing ideas and stories. I don't consider myself one easily seduced into conspiracies or general looniness.

The cavalier dismissal "no evidence", dare I say it, reminds me of the ID crowd itself.

292 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:42pm

Remember the movie "Wild in the Streets"?

Don't trust anyone over thirty....

/

293 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:47pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Now that I think about it, I've emailed the editor at least three times about typos. And I'm very bad about that kind of stuff mysulf.

294 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:20pm

re: #267 Spiny Norman

Alas, you are correct. The Constitution says nothing at all about the size of the court. All it says is that there will be one and that the salary of the judges will not be reduced during the period they serve. In theory it could be 53 Justices or only a single Justice. Hopefully its moot, but I know a fair number of single issue pro-abortion folks who would like to make sure Roe v Wade is not re-interpreted.

295 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:38pm

Howdy lizards, Phillip Berg, Jack Cashill,Ok both Kooks.But I still wish them luck on there endeavor that I wont mention.

296 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:40pm

re: #283 JSK1121

Lightning storm on November 4? That'll at least depress the democratic turnout. Couldn't hurt I guess.

As a New Orleans Catholic who's studied VooDoo, I have candles ready to burn, as well.

That and my surrogate has gifted Marie Laveau a nice vintage bottle of whiskey and some dollars....one must hedge one's bets.

297 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:50pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

Baathism was, though, wasn't it?
I don't really think Hamas and the PLO would fit anywhere well on our political spectrum.
Or anyway, I don't think that we who favor small government fit on our political spectrum, when extreme left is international socialism and extreme right is national socialism, there isn't much room for non-socialists.

298 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:52pm

re: #201 Son of the Black Dog

As someone who served in Vietnam, I don't think Bill Ayers is irrelevant at all. He and the other radical associates of Obama are VERY relevant to this election, perhaps more relevant than any other issue.

Personally, I find you to be pathetic and irrelevant.

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

299 solomonpanting  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:21:40pm

Via Drudge:

Most accurate pollster in 2004 election shows: Obama 44.8%, McCain 43.7%, Not Sure 11.6%...

McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.

300 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:21:49pm

re: #247 eon


Dan Rather wasn't always wrong.

I'm glad you brought him up. I think the reason the MSM is so unwilling to touch a lot of the Ayers stuff is because of Rathergate. Don't get me wrong I was absolutely riveted to that episode of bad journalism and Charles' smack down of the evidence. I do, however, think it has made journalists far less likely to look into conspiratorial type stuff for fear of losing their credibility.

I am not a nutter. I have never subscribed to conspiracy theory. I do think this particular issue is worth looking into and could have a real effect on Obama's cred.

301 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:04pm

re: #297 nikis-knight

Baathism was, though, wasn't it?
I don't really think Hamas and the PLO would fit anywhere well on our political spectrum.
Or anyway, I don't think that we who favor small government fit on our political spectrum, when extreme left is international socialism and extreme right is national socialism, there isn't much room for non-socialists.

And that is exactly why the government should be kept as small as possible, to keep all these nuts out of power.

302 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:11pm

re: #295 Oldasdirt

Howdy lizards, Phillip Berg, Jack Cashill,Ok both Kooks.But I still wish them luck on there endeavor that I wont mention.

I think the records things are best grouped all together. As in why doesn't Sen. Obama want to release any of his records? There is a poster here that has a long list of his failings here.

303 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:27pm

re: #285 kawfytawk

portobello "burgers" rock


Dude...Portobellos, lightly sauteed, then layred with fresh provelone cheese and tomatoes, slap that sucker on the grill till the cheese melts and daym! Slap your mamma!

304 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:39pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

don't buy gold...

Jeez....

Gold is down to $714 an ounce. The hedge funds have been liquidating their investments.

That, and the dollar has gotten stronger.

305 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

306 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #292 mensamann

Was that the one with the phrase "14 or fight"?

307 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:17pm

re: #278 BBEV

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

Don't buy it yet. Gold has been falling off a cliff in the last month. I am gonna say the bottom is $650. Wait a few weeks.

308 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #222 kawfytawk

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

Redundant !

/ducks and runs from lizard lawyers

309 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #305 Russkilitlover

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

310 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #303 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Dude...Portobellos, lightly sauteed, then layred with fresh provelone cheese and tomatoes, slap that sucker on the grill till the cheese melts and daym! Slap your mamma!

I saute mine in butter and olive oil and drizzle with a reduced balsamic glaze......
scrum-dilly-umptious!

311 loppyd  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:07pm

BF just rang the dinner bell.

BBL

312 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:14pm

re: #44 beens21

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

I bet they're all autographed.

313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:16pm

re: #304 3 wood

Gold is down to $714 an ounce. The hedge funds have been liquidating their investments.

That, and the dollar has gotten stronger.


Go with the defensive funds/stocks..we all have to eat, and use the bathroom, don't we?

Oh, and go with the vices too.

314 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:16pm

Here's something to make us all puke:

Even before Weatherman began its notorious bombing campaign, the group's future leaders had formed relationships with others who shared their hatred for "Amerikkka."

Bernadine Dohrn made numerous contacts with Fidel Castro's Cuban Mission at the UN in 1968 and 1969, during which time she arranged for SDS groups to visit Havana.

After returning from Cuba, Dohrn and others met with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong representatives in Budapest, Hungary, to discuss antiwar strategy on US campuses. Speaking a few days later at an assembly of revolutionary student movements at Columbia University, Dohrn reported that the Vietnamese communists she met in Budapest were working with US GIs in Saigon, attempting to obtain military information.

As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast...."

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

315 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:21pm

re: #250 Alouette

Soylent Green!

Makes you wonder why capitalists aren't more popular. They're delicious!

316 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:24pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

OK then Buy land.

317 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:27pm

re: #298 wolfie

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

I know quite a few veterans around my home turf. A lot of them served in Vietnam.

So far, all of them I've asked are backing Senator McCain. They look at Senator Obama, and see Jimmy Carter Lite.

/And they figure we've already fallen off that bridge once, there's no point in doing it twice

cheers

eon

318 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:05pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

The PLO has its roots in the same post WWII movement that spawned Ba'ath. The PLO was originally an Ethnic Nationalist movement, and a lot of their foundational ideology comes from Marx (and of course the KGB). Politically, the PLO were definitely Leftists. Today, they are either largely infiltrated by Islamists, but a lot of them are still 'Pan-Arabist Socialists'.

319 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #307 johnnyreb

Don't buy it yet. Gold has been falling off a cliff in the last month. I am gonna say the bottom is $650. Wait a few weeks.

How about Ammo?

320 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:14pm

re: #52 Oh no...Sand People!

Shake magic 8 ball:

"Sources say, not likely...ever. Nope. Sorry. Never. Are you kidding? What?! Ha ha!"
/

HA!

321 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:26pm

re: #251 CIA Reject

~
When the "individual" is solely a cog for the benefit of the whole, 25 million to "save" 350 million isn't so bad.
~

322 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:28pm

re: #311 loppyd

BF just rang the dinner bell.

BBL

Speaking of dinner, the lasagne is almost ready (I cook batches of it at a time and freeze it) and I have to get the garlic bread in. BRB

323 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:48pm

re: #309 Oh no...Sand People!

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

I'll see you in Ayer's reeducation camps!

324 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:50pm

re: #305 Russkilitlover

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

I've run into that wall with our NCGs (new college grad) co-workers. A complete disconnection for the idea that where government controls, liberty ceases to exist.

*sigh*

Got to run lizards, foster parent continuing ed class must keep the CEUs up to maintain the license.

325 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:02pm
re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

re: #316 BBEV

OK then Buy land.

Or Call of Duty 4 on the Xbox 360...that game is as good as GOLD!

/it has to up in value sometime...right?

326 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #246 Charles

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.


Ok, I believe you. He's a kook who lacks credibility.

But that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. IIRC he didn't come up with the theory he's promulgating. I have no idea if its true or not (not having read any of Obama's OR Ayers books), but it seems plausible.

Apparently Khalid Rashidi thanked Ayers for helping Rashidi with HIS book. Why is it such a stretch to think that Ayers also helped Obama?

But again (and more important), this is probably a testable hypothesis. If there is substantial similarity between Ayers works and Obamas, that could be provable objectively with computer word analysis.

327 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #275 Rule303

To be completely correct their plan was not "Genocide" as it was not aimed at a specific race, just wrong thinking regressives and counterrevolutionaries.

OK then, classicide. Whatever it was that was done by Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro.

328 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:22pm

re: #316 BBEV

OK then Buy land.

Guns....
And lots of ammo......

329 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:31pm

re: #319 BBEV

How about Ammo?

A very good investment. And it never goes bad.

330 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:57pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

Why not?

Seriously, I don't see why not. I'm expecting inflation to surge next year with all the hundreds of billions the Government has been throwing around lately.

331 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:57pm

Random thoughts as I drive-by...

They can't figure out how to deport 12 million illegal aliens, but they were going to kill 25 million citizens who couldn't get their minds right? Or, er...left, I guess that should read.

Carved a "B" into her face. Biden supporter?

332 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:03pm

I dont' follow this stuff as close as you guys do, (no T.V. and all) but in his assurance of his non-relationship with Ayers has Barack actually ever repudiated Ayers beliefs or actions?

333 Researcher...MO  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:03pm

re: #212 HelloDare

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

Agreed, AT is a daily stop, WND, not so much...

334 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:18pm

re: #298 wolfie

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

Yeah, spitting on them and practicing an astounding lack of personal hygiene.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:26pm

re: #325 Oh no...Sand People!

Or Call of Duty 4 on the Xbox 360...that game is as good as GOLD!

/it has to up in value sometime...right?

Only if you got it from the "Franklin Mint"!

336 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:52pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

Not on your spectrum evidently. They are on mine, but then, so are Hitler and Mussolini.

337 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:56pm

re: #334 Taqyia2Me

Sweet avatar. Just noticed it. Played that game for hours on the ol C64...back in the day.

338 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:00pm

re: #314 Adina in Judea

Here's something to make us all puke:

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

Nine rings given to Man, who is all too easily corrupted. ~ Paraphrase from Lord of the Rings.

339 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:08pm

re: #314 Adina in Judea

Here's something to make us all puke:

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

And hey still keep them with pride, I am damn certain.

340 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:14pm

re: #328 JCM

Guns....
And lots of ammo......

Gun's I have no guns Nope never did never will :-)
Never know who is looking.

341 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:29pm

re: #309 Oh no...Sand People!

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Constitution to include a Bill of Wrongs, just before the Bill of Rights.

He wanted future generations of Americans to have the reasons the Bill of Rights was needed right there with it for easy reference.

cheers

eon

342 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:01pm

re: #306 Tarkus289

I don't recall for sure, but I do believe so. The gist is there was a band (loosely based on The Doors) that got the young ones out to vote. They took over the country politically and put LSD in the water supply of San Fran, I think. In the end, the lead singer of thee band, who was elected president, turned thirty one and then wanted the rules changed! Up until then they would kill anyone over thirty... a B movie that I saw in the theater when I was 11 or 12 maybe?

343 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:11pm

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

344 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:48pm

re: #341 eon

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Constitution to include a Bill of Wrongs, just before the Bill of Rights.

He wanted future generations of Americans to have the reasons the Bill of Rights was needed right there with it for easy reference.

cheers

eon

Wow. I love doing the opposite game. No Ben Franklin or anything...but It gives me a different perspective to think about. If we want one...got to have the other.

345 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:30:46pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

I like it

346 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?


+
Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Voila! White trash!

347 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:37pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

How about a milk carton with a "Missing" picture - the picture could be of a Patriot or Minuteman.

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

That's dang funny. Can she pull it off?

349 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

That's great!
ROFLMAO

350 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:46pm

Past my bed time.

Later all.

351 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:50pm

The toxic securities in the bank system are starting to get priced.

Value of WaMu debt set at 57 cents on the dollar

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- An auction set the value of Washington Mutual bonds for the huge credit default swap market on Thursday.
The auction set the value of the debt of the bankrupt thrift at 57 cents on the dollar, according to Markit and Creditex, the administrators of the auction. That means sellers of CDS protection on WaMu will need to pay 43 cents on the dollar to their counterparties.

Credit-default swaps, or CDS, are a common type of derivative contract that pay out in the event of default. The market has grown quickly, with the notional amount of contracts outstanding surging past $50 trillion in recent years.

Actually, 57 cents on the dollar is a lot higher than many people originally thought it would be. Just a few weeks ago 20 cents on the dollar was the
general assumption. The reason why the market for this stuff grew so quickly is it was priced very cheaply. It was almost an automatic to buy this kind of contract if you issued any debt in the last 10 years. The insurance companies were almost giving the stuff away, and you got a much lower interest rate on the debt if you got the bond insurance.

352 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:32:46pm

re: #342 mensamann

I just looked it up on IMDB, the theme was 14 or fight, the voting age was lowered to 14, and those over 30 were sent to lsd camps for retirement. I saw it back in the 70s, it was fun to watch, but even the I knew it was B.S.

It was made in 1968.

353 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:11pm

re: #313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Go with the defensive funds/stocks..we all have to eat, and use the bathroom, don't we?

Oh, and go with the vices too.

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

354 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:34pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's dang funny. Can she pull it off?

oh yeah she is a ham...put it this way...in her yearbook she was voted most likely to be on saturday night live

355 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:45pm

re: #352 Tarkus289

That's right! Yeah, it was fun when I was a lad....

356 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:02pm

re: #346 Meremortal

Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Put a pair of rimless glasses on the garbage bag and she's a VP candidate.

357 Racer X  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:02pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

Yes.

Wear an Obama mask.
Ring doorbell.
Instead of trick or treat yell "Spread The Wealth!".
Take all of the candy from the bowl and declare "I will now decide who gets your candy and how much".

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:24pm

re: #353 3 wood

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

359 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:33pm

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

360 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:39pm

re: #337 Oh no...Sand People!

Sweet avatar. Just noticed it. Played that game for hours on the ol C64...back in the day.

Thanks, I'll show my age and say, "What's a C64?" I used to read Mad Magazine and they always had Spy v Spy episodes..

361 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:49pm

re: #321 WrathofG-d

~
When the "individual" is solely a cog for the benefit of the whole, 25 million to "save" 350 million isn't so bad.
~

Worse than that actually. To the communist there is no such thing as "individual rights", an individual only has rights as part of the collective and those rights are subject to the whim of those who manage the collective- the government.

Those who do not participate in the collective are merely disposable.

Frightening, and Evil...

362 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:12pm

re: #353 3 wood

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

Yep and the government is gonna own about 25% of each of those banks. I see a repeat of this crisis in about 10 years or less. The government will make the rules, and we will be back to square one. There is no way once the US government gets a stake in banks that they will sell them back.

363 opnion  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:23pm

re: #326 looking closely

Ok, I believe you. He's a kook who lacks credibility.

But that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. IIRC he didn't come up with the theory he's promulgating. I have no idea if its true or not (not having read any of Obama's OR Ayers books), but it seems plausible.

Apparently Khalid Rashidi thanked Ayers for helping Rashidi with HIS book. Why is it such a stretch to think that Ayers also helped Obama?

But again (and more important), this is probably a testable hypothesis. If there is substantial similarity between Ayers works and Obamas, that could be provable objectively with computer word analysis.

I have a better question, how does a guy just out of Law School without any real biography, get an advance to write his autobiography?
It is counterintuitive. Back in the day who was pushing this guy?

364 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:32pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

Man that was old School, yoou must be old, Ha ha . I remember it all so well

365 bosforus  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:33pm
It was unclear what the "B" was meant to symbolize, Richard said.

-AP

366 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:36pm

re: #357 Racer X

Yes.

Wear an Obama mask. Ring doorbell. Instead of trick or treat yell "Spread The Wealth!". Take all of the candy from the bowl and declare "I will now decide who gets your candy and how much".

LOL. I would do that in a new york minute. Is 55 to old to go trick or treating?

367 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:49pm

re: #318 Scion9

The PLO has its roots in the same post WWII movement that spawned Ba'ath. The PLO was originally an Ethnic Nationalist movement, and a lot of their foundational ideology comes from Marx (and of course the KGB). Politically, the PLO were definitely Leftists. Today, they are either largely infiltrated by Islamists, but a lot of them are still 'Pan-Arabist Socialists'.

The PLO is most definitely Pan-Arab socialist and their roots are in the radical left. Leila Khalid, the PLO's poster girl airplane hijacker from the late 1960's and early 70's was a heartthrob of the radical left both here and in Europe. Kind of an Arab female Che.

368 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:49pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

White or very light green dress, one of those "rayed" green foam headbands they hand out at loan companies, and a baton-type flashlight for a "torch".

Statue of Liberty! :-)

/And the flashlight makes her visible to drivers- very important for safety

cheers

eon

369 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:01pm

re: #346 Meremortal

+
Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Voila! White trash!

she actually did that in high school....she also wore curlers in her hair, slippers on her feet and carried a beer can and baby

370 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:11pm

re: #357 Racer X

That's good. I might have to use that one.

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:13pm

re: #364 BBEV

A lady never tells her age...(blushes)

372 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:20pm
re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them

Solvent Green

373 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:00pm

re: #266 amphibian

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

You've just described the majority of the US Congress.

374 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:02pm

Bill Ayers slipped into our teaching system years ago.He as former,unrepentant
terrorist, he got in under the radar.Ok,he's on the radar now,(big time),so how do we do something to get him out of the teaching of our kids.
Seems that Ward Churchill got kicked out,,this Ayers needs to be next.
And then some sort of Conservative study needs to be done to check out what other jerks are teaching our kids,and get them out as well.

375 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:19pm

re: #360 Taqyia2Me

Gee, now you're making me feel old! Spy V. Spy was around waaaayyy before the Commodore 64.

376 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:27pm

re: #360 Taqyia2Me

Thanks, I'll show my age and say, "What's a C64?" I used to read Mad Magazine and they always had Spy v Spy episodes..

A Commodore 64 (as in 64 kilobytes) home computer. A cross between a game machine and a real, programmable computer.

377 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:51pm

25 million.

Mentor to the Democratic presidential candidate.

The evil swirling around the Democratic Party is chilling.

"Punished with a baby".

No exceptions for the new and innocent either.

378 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:58pm

thanks for the ideas everyone....dinner calls....bbl

379 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:18pm

re: #359 unreconstructed rebel

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

AMEN ALLELUIA!

380 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:24pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A lady never tells her age...(blushes)

Don't need to blush I remember it too.

381 bosforus  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:28pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

Bill Ayers slipped into our teaching system years ago.He as former,unrepentant
terrorist, he got in under the radar.Ok,he's on the radar now,(big time),so how do we do something to get him out of the teaching of our kids.
Seems that Ward Churchill got kicked out,,this Ayers needs to be next.
And then some sort of Conservative study needs to be done to check out what other jerks are teaching our kids,and get them out as well.

Next time your kid comes home and he says he learned 'nothing' at school, grill him and correct him where necessary.

382 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:39pm

re: #356 ljmw

What ?

Did you miss a sarc tag, or do you think Gov Palin is trash?

383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:04pm
re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them

Have to hire a helluva "cleaner". Send in "The Wolf".

384 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:16pm
385 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:46pm

Who will save us from McCain supporters?
"Politically Motivated" Mutilation - Real or Hoax?


Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.

We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.

386 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

Not to be confused with "The Bank of Dad", which my kids think is a bottomless cash machine.

387 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:18pm

re: #382 wolfie


It's sarcasm, Wolfie. I used to know a wolfie on the Amazon message board. Any relation?

388 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:24pm

I wish we could get a photo of Obama and Ayers together during the 2004-2008 time frame. Sure make things a lot easier eh?

389 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:02pm

re: #384 Jimash

Wow, it is much cornier than I remembered it.

390 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:38pm

Well, I'm off for tonight. Really need some shut-eye.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

cheers

eon

391 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:46pm

re: #388 Outrider

You could have a photo of Obama and Ayers having sex on a pile of cocaine at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

392 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:57pm

re: #359 unreconstructed rebel

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

What he said.

393 little blessing  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:58pm
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

So we should all be wary of people with Graduate degrees?
/

394 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:35pm

re: #386 3 wood

Not to be confused with "The Bank of Dad", which my kids think is a bottomless cash machine.

That one was cut off a few years ago I don't know about the "Bank of Mom" I think that was has some problems with bad loans.

395 itellu3times  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:45pm

re: #372 yah

Soylent.

396 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:18pm

re: #329 johnnyreb

{Ammo] A very good investment. And it never goes bad.

Well, I wouldn't say it "never" goes bad, but it can remain good for decades or a lifetime if stored properly.

Over the past several years ammo has been appreciating at 15% per year, so in fact in the recent past it actually HAS been a very good investment. This is for several reasons: Cost of commodities (copper and lead) have gone way up, and the war was driving up demand. Ammo is also heavy and usually gets shipped pretty far, meaning that fuel costs make up a large part of the cost. And the weak dollar hasn't helped either.

But at this point, pretty much all of those things have turned around. The war in Iraq is winding down, oil and copper just dropped to their lowest prices in a year, and the dollar its strongest.

So its probable that ammo prices will flatten out over the next year (if not drop).

397 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:24pm

re: #392 3 wood

What he said.

That fucking little bomb-thrower has now idea.

398 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:35pm

re: #394 BBEV

That one was cut off a few years ago I don't know about the "Bank of Mom" I think that was has some problems with bad loans.

pimf/ that one

399 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:58pm

re: #393 little blessing

So we should all be wary of people with Graduate degrees?
/

Well, if that graduate degree is in the humanities, yes. That would be a very good start.

400 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:36pm

re: #397 unreconstructed rebel

That fucking little bomb-thrower has now idea.

Must ... not .... type ... in .... a .... hurray.

401 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

The studies have been done.
Removal is almost always impossible.
(Ward Churchill was removed only for having lied in his resume.)
The attempt to prevent future hirings of this kind, is exceedingly difficult.

402 Querent  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

i think that one's pretty clever!

403 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:05pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

You could have a photo of Obama and Ayers having sex on a pile of cocaine at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

Bingo. Give that man a cigar! I don't think a lot of Lizards would agree, but it's the gosh darn truth. Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.

404 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:13pm

I thought I heard thunder outside, but it was my stomach growling, I'll see you guys and gals later.

405 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:19pm

re: #381 bosforus

Allready had to do that,,my kids are grown and gone,with kids of there own.
Both under Obama might need to be reeducated. Both are more conservative than me.

406 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:27pm

re: #387 ljmw

No relation that I know of!
(I figured you must be kidding!)

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:33pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Bingo. Give that man a cigar! I don't think a lot of Lizards would agree, but it's the gosh darn truth. Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.

I think folks'd say, "Well, isn't that brave! Bravo Senator Obama. Bravo!"

408 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:39pm

re: #384 Jimash

You know, for all its campiness that movie is an incredibly poignant indictment of the 'counter culture'.

409 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:44pm

Dinner ! Yum !

410 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:50pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

Sounds like she's on to a great idea on her own!

411 unclassifiable  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:53pm

re: #386 3 wood

The Bank of Dad.
Every withdrawal comes with a free hour long lecture :)

412 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:10pm

re: #405 Oldasdirt

Allready had to do that,,my kids are grown and gone,with kids of there own.
Both under Obama might need to be reeducated. Both are more conservative than me.

I was fascinated by the recent polling data showing 18-24s going to McCain. Mebbe, there is hope! (Did I use that word?)

413 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:24pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.


And it wouldn't make any difference to Obama's friends in the MSM.

414 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:24pm

re: #408 Scion9

You know, for all its campiness that movie is an incredibly poignant indictment of the 'counter culture'.

Waht movie are we talking about, please?

415 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:53pm

re: #291 spaceman

We shall see. According to Cashill
Ayers’ Role in Obama’s “Dreams” Poised To Break Out

"Until late last week I despaired of breaking this story beyond the Internet and talk radio. Then a seriously can-do congressman intervened. As I speak, we are running sophisticated data-driven tests at two separate sites. Early results are positive. If they are strong enough, and if we can somehow penetrate the battlements the mainstream media have built around Obama, we just might break this story out."

Unless Cashill can come up with a check that has "Ghostwriting" written in the memo section, it will convince very few people. None on the left.

Here is some of what Cashill is calling evidence, circumstantial I presume.

* Sometime between 1992 and 1994 Simon & Schuster cancelled the advance that it had offered Obama to write Dreams.

* Ayers provided an informal editing service for like-minded friends in the neighborhood. Rashid Khalidi attests to this in the very first sentence of the acknowledgements in his 2004 book, Resurrecting Empire. “There are many people without whose support and assistance I could not have written this book, or written it in the way that it was written,” he writes. “First, chronologically, and in other ways, comes Bill Ayers.”

* There was a good deal of literary back-scratching going on in Chicago’s Hyde Park. Obama, for instance, wrote a short and glowing review of Ayers’ 1997 book, A Kind and Just Parent, for the Chicago Tribune. In that same book, perhaps with a self-congratulatory wink, Ayers cites the “writer” Barack Obama as one among the celebrities in his neighborhood.

* Obama’s memoir was published in June 1995. Earlier that year, Ayers helped Obama get appointed chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant. In the fall of that same year, 1995, helped blaze Obama’s path to political power with a fundraiser in his Chicago home. In short, Ayers had the means, the motive, and the ability to jump start Obama’s literary career.

* Ayers also had the time. He published his book To Teach in 1993. Between 1993 and 1996, he had no other formal authorial assignment than to co-edit a collection of essays. This was an unusual hole in his very busy publishing career.

All of which sort of reminds me of this.

416 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:47:55pm

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think folks'd say, "Well, isn't that brave! Bravo Senator Obama. Bravo!"

Then they would go vote for McCain, and lie to their friends about it.

417 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:48:02pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

You could have a photo of Obama and Ayers having sex on a pile of cocaine at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

Sadly, I think you are correct.

You know, for a long time I've been referring to the MSM as whores.

I now realize that this was very unfair of me and I herewith apologize for calling the MSM whores.

That is a clear insult to real whores, who at least have enough integrity to be upfront that they are selling themselves.

The MSM will never see the day that they have that much integrity.

418 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:48:26pm

re: #305 Russkilitlover

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

I say again. This is a direct result of our education system not teaching positive American history, economics, and especially the US Constitution. Most people are acting and reacting from a state of ignorance.

419 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:02pm

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Waht movie are we talking about, please?

Wild in the Streets.

420 Diane  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:06pm

25 million people, that would have been about 10% of the population, they probably would had have to eliminate far more than that.

According to the mathematician and conflict expert, Dr. J.R. Rummel, Power Kills, if my memory serves me right, only 5% of any given population dissents, the rest just go along... So for any dictatorship ever year, 5% must go.

What a gang of psychos!
What does he think of Ayers' ideas now? Will we ever know?

421 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:10pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Bingo. Give that man a cigar! I don't think a lot of Lizards would agree, but it's the gosh darn truth. Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.

It's not his supporters I am targeting. They will be unshaken despite having absolutely no clue what his platform even is or what scandals pop up.

But there are people out there that have never heard any of this stuff or heard it in the proper context. I have talked to people in my neighborhood that fit this category as they stop by and chat when they see my campaign signs. I have talked with old acquaintances that have large gaps in their knowledge as they don't search for stuff on the computer.

What if all you had was what was spoon fed to you via the cable news or newspapers, or what you read in the checkout line?

423 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:20pm

re: #394 BBEV

That one was cut off a few years ago I don't know about the "Bank of Mom" I think that was has some problems with bad loans.

Mine don't understand the meaning of the word "loan".

All they know is "gift".

They also think restaurant food is free.

424 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:49:52pm

re: #410 Maui Girl

any one have any good ideas?

My kid is making large colorful icons. She will stick them to an all-black outfit
and be an iPhone.

425 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:50:22pm

OT:

So today is the day of birth for WrathofG-d. A pleasant day for the entire world we are all sure. I'm thinking of what to get as gifts. For the last two years I have asked for this but have not gotten it. I'm also hoping that someone will get me one of these. Although I won't lie, I'd be exceptionally happy with one of these too. bit the signif other wants one of these.

ok, sorry for the distraction.

426 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:50:27pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Yeah, associations with radical extremists are completely irrelevant. My 401 K is down./// And yes, thinking people are reading this blog. You, however, are not one of them.

427 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:50:29pm

re: #411 unclassifiable

I have to have some fun.

428 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:51:20pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

And it wouldn't make any difference to Obama's friends in the MSM.

Right. I think you would agree, there has been a massive paradigm shift in the politics, media and leaders in this country.

And I am coming across so many people (even here on LGF's) that just can't grasp that there is a MAJOR current working here, and it's barrelling on it's own. And we have not seen anything like it since the 30's.

There's going to be a lot of surprised people in the next few years. And simply supporting a certain party is not going to fix this. We will be using tried an true methods of revolution to fix this. Mark my word.

429 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:51:33pm

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

LOL. I would do that in a new york minute. Is 55 to old to go trick or treating?

I used the analogy that another Lizard made the other day to explain Obama's tax plan. About the 100 trick or treaters, 5 have to go out and gather the candy, then come back and are forced to share with the other 95 that got to stay home and play. My 9 year old TOTALLY got it! I am so proud of him. He then came up with his own analogy using Santa's elves having to work their little bottoms off making toys and loading the sleigh and tending to the reindeer, etc. It was priceless. Did I say, he TOTALLY got it? I'm so proud, proud, proud.

430 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:51:49pm

re: #410 Maui Girl

Sounds like she's on to a great idea on her own!

We had a kid around here a few years back that dressed in a suit, carrying a briefcase. He wore fangs and hd blood dripped down his front. Said he was costumed as a "blood sucking lawyer".

The next year he dressed in hippy attire and had a fake heart popped out through a red shirt with lots of blood. Said he was a "bleeding heart liberal".

I suspect daddy was involved somewhere.

431 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:52:15pm

re: #426 kansas

Yeah, associations with radical extremists are completely irrelevant. My 401 K is down./// And yes, thinking people are reading this blog. You, however, are not one of them.

Democrats lied,
My 401K died!

432 rboa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:52:24pm

Is it just me or has this whole election drifted into the Twilight Zone. This has really become an outright violence movement against conservatives.

433 little blessing  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:01pm

When I was last back in the states I mentioned to a family friend that I was thinking of becoming an Australian Citizen. I can easily remember her horrified face as well as her comments.

As much as I love America, should Obama be elected president and Ayers become his confidant, I will apply for Australian citizenship.

I will never be able to reconcile the United States it will become to the United States I pledge allegiance to.

434 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:05pm

re: #428 Walter L. Newton


Mark my word.

And gird your loins, as Joe Biden would say.

435 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:28pm

re: #396 looking closely

I usually buy in bulk, as me and the wife target shoot quite a bit, and we go through at least 200-400 rounds in a typical one day session at the range. I used to reload, but my time is worth more than the savings that I get from buying in bulk versus reloading. In a typical season, we both burn about 5,000 rounds each. Not to mention the odd black powder fun day.

436 zturlte  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:53:42pm

Kinda scary Obama will be in the White House and his hand on the nukes. That will take care of 25 mil in split second. Or shoot letting one in our airspace for that matter, dirty bomb perhaps. This just gets spookier and spookier. Well hopefully we have people watching our backs, we can take care of the ground game. I suspect they know that as well, we won't go lightly or at all but with a nuke, we don't have a chance.

437 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:54:00pm

re: #401 wolfie

The studies have been done.
Removal is almost always impossible.
(Ward Churchill was removed only for having lied in his resume.)
The attempt to prevent future hirings of this kind, is exceedingly difficult.

Churchill was fired for having demonstrably fabricated historical data numerous times. I'd link-whore here, but a click on my nick will get you there.

438 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:54:08pm

re: #432 rboa

Is it just me or has this whole election drifted into the Twilight Zone. This has really become an outright violence movement against conservatives.

I predict there is going to be a lot more violence from both sides. This is not going to fix itself in the ways we are use to.

439 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:54:37pm

re: #434 Scion9

And gird your loins, as Joe Biden would say.

Actually, the term is Biblical, Do not give credit where it is not due.

440 opnion  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:55:16pm

re: #432 rboa

Is it just me or has this whole election drifted into the Twilight Zone. This has really become an outright violence movement against conservatives.

It's a revolution, "by any means necessary" Generally it is lyiing & vote fraud with MSM as an accomplice, but violence you know when, 'necessary"

441 Querent  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:55:21pm

#432
it's not just you.

442 AdamWebber  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:55:35pm

re: #215 pat

Ramsey Clarke on steroids.

Would that be a "Clarke Bar"?
(Do they still make those?)

443 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:56:02pm

re: #439 unreconstructed rebel

Actually, the term is Biblical, Do not give credit where it is not due.

Paul to be exact. Comes from a Roman concept to tighten up your cloth tightly under your legs/crotch so your apparel doesn't restrict you from movement in battle.

444 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:56:27pm

re: #424 Jimash

My kid is making large colorful icons. She will stick them to an all-black outfit
and be an iPhone.

That's a good one too! My kid is going as the grim reaper..... Last year, Darth Vader. He's the most loving, fair minded kid I know. The costume choices must be his hidden desire to be a master controller of others' destinies!

445 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:56:47pm

Unless Cashill can come up with a check that has "Ghostwriting" written in the memo section, it will convince very few people

You may be right. The evidence is circumstantial but Cashill has a point with regard to BHO's previous writing and lack thereof. There really is nothing in BHO's history that would lead one to believe he had any writing talent. Certainly not the kind found in "Dreams." His previous efforts were remarkably uninspired, "wonkish" and in the case of his poetry -dreadful.

I am anxious to see what the authorship authorities have to say.

446 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:56:53pm

re: #431 unreconstructed rebel

Democrats lied,
My 401K died!

Good one. Scary thought however!

447 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:57:44pm

Breaking: New poll shows Russell over Murtha, 48-35

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Well some good news

448 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:10pm

re: #436 zturlte

Yeah. But not only fingers on nukes, but also access to all sorts of classified information (o gosh, wonder how America's enemies got that info, eh?) Or give islamist group X a "head's up!" about plans, etc.

449 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:37pm

re: #447 Nevergiveup

Breaking: New poll shows Russell over Murtha, 48-35

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Well some good news

I saw a campaign picture of him the other day. Is he still alive?

450 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:47pm

re: #438 Walter L. Newton

I predict there is going to be a lot more violence from both sides. This is not going to fix itself in the ways we are use to.

With the exception of the militant anti-abortion crowd, I don't believe I've ever heard of any cases of rampaging Republicans; burning cars and store fronts, assaulting innocent people out walking around, firebombing residences, slamming people with cinder blocks, or taking to the streets in wild unruly mobs.

451 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:58:47pm

re: #429 Maui Girl

I love this. My 8 year old grandson is a big Obama fan. I'll have to use this. His father (my son) might not appreciate it though.

452 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:16pm

re: #446 Maui Girl

Good one. Scary thought however!

Not original. Appeared in a thread a few days ago. But I will kill for a bumper-sticker version. ;)

453 Geepers  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:25pm
The New York Times said it still expects to manage its debt obligations. At the end of the quarter, the company had $46 million in cash and about $1.1 billion in debt.

September revenue fell 8 percent, and news media group ad revenue dropped 14 percent.

On Thursday, Standard & Poor's Ratings Services cut its rating on the Times to junk after Moody's Investors Service said it might do the same because of revenue declines and risks associated with paying its debt.

Seems that Standard & Poor's is finally coming around to what many of us have know for years.

454 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:35pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

I saw a campaign picture of him the other day. Is he still alive?

No more than lautenberg is?

455 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:36pm

re: #425 WrathofG-d

Happy Birthday!
And may there be many MANY more of them!

456 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:37pm

re: #450 Outrider

With the exception of the militant anti-abortion crowd, I don't believe I've ever heard of any cases of rampaging Republicans; burning cars and store fronts, assaulting innocent people out walking around, firebombing residences, slamming people with cinder blocks, or taking to the streets in wild unruly mobs.

Naw... we typically pour another scotch and mumble bad words under our breath.

457 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:47pm
458 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:52pm

re: #447 Nevergiveup

Breaking: New poll shows Russell over Murtha, 48-35

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Well some good news

Murtha's big mouth killed his own campaign....in cold blood

459 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:59:54pm

Hmm...

460 Zombie_Killian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:00:58pm

re: #458 Shug

May it be a slow and agonizing death.

461 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:00:58pm

re: #457 ploome hineni

...ya think Hitler would be supportd by the MSM and Dems against McCain/Palin?


If his name was Barack Hitler Obama, they would for sure.

462 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:00pm

re: #459 Noam Sayin'

Hmm...

Just realized I missed the third anniversary of my hatching.

463 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:14pm

Gallup poll: 74% of Jews support Obama versus 22% for McCain (Haaretz)

I call bullshit!

464 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:35pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Paul to be exact. Comes from a Roman concept to tighten up your cloth tightly under your legs/crotch so your apparel doesn't restrict you from movement in battle.

I once got severely and loudly reprimanded by the chief editor at the group of newspapers I worked for, for writing the headline "Teachers gird loins for school board fight"

Apparently, that sounded nasty for him. He also demurred on my suggested alternative, "Teachers prepare for school board fuck-story."

The prig.

465 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:42pm

re: #450 Outrider

With the exception of the militant anti-abortion crowd, I don't believe I've ever heard of any cases of rampaging Republicans; burning cars and store fronts, assaulting innocent people out walking around, firebombing residences, slamming people with cinder blocks, or taking to the streets in wild unruly mobs.

Oh. Well, I hear enough Lizards here talking about stocking up the old arsenal. What's that for, target practice?

I'm not against protecting oneself. That's my whole point. I think there is going to be violence, both sides, eventually.

What's going to happen if Obama gets elected and passes gun control laws that just about remove any private ownership of guns? You think no one out there is going to put up a stink?

As I say, mark my words.

466 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:01:57pm

re: #431 unreconstructed rebel

Democrats lied,
My 401K died!

Damn! I should have copy-righted that............

467 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:02pm

re: #415 HelloDare

None of that qualifies as "evidence," not even circumstantial evidence. It's speculation, pure and simple.

468 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:10pm

re: #458 Shug

Murtha's big mouth killed his own campaign....in cold blood

Looks like a lot of rednecks have phone service.

469 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:12pm

re: #457 ploome hineni

...ya think Hitler would be supportd by the MSM and Dems against McCain/Palin?

They supported him against Churchill back in the late 30s. He was a 'moderate' doncha know?

470 George guy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:34pm

re: #314 Adina in Judea

Here's something to make us all puke:

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

What are the chances that the particular plane from which one or both of these rings might have been made might have been the one John McCain was flying?

471 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:02:52pm

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Paul to be exact. Comes from a Roman concept to tighten up your cloth tightly under your legs/crotch so your apparel doesn't restrict you from movement in battle.

An ancient jock-strap.

472 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:36pm
473 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:47pm

re: #466 IslandLibertarian

Damn! I should have copy-righted that............

Hat tip. Credit where it is due.

474 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:51pm

re: #463 Nevergiveup

Really. What garbage. where did that poll take place?

475 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:03:54pm

ayers is a very committed terrorist. from a hippie bomb thrower to a decrepit old flag stomper, now disseminating his violent ways thru text book indoctrination of children.
this sob has been trying to over throw america for 40 yrs.
we can't underestimate him? if obama gets in office. (god forbid)
ayers could become one of the most dangerous people in our country.
very close to power and opportunity.
(fcking pos)

476 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:05pm
477 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:27pm

W00T Wrath out!
~was this thing even on?

478 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:04:52pm

re: #471 Soona'

An ancient jock-strap.

Ah, no. The long tunic would be gathered and pulled through the crotch, and then tied up in the back.

It wasn't a separate clothing item, it was the tunic itself.

479 freeus  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:05:14pm

To say that I am terrified is an understatement.

To say I am livid over the media not looking at this and asking how in the world Barak Obama would blurb a book for Ayers, share an office and launch his political campaign is also an understatement.

No matter what the result of this election we MUST unite and fight against the ignorance of those in this nation that do not comprehend the dangers of people like Ayers.

480 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:06:09pm

re: #467 Charles

Right. That's my point. I was referring to spaceman's, Cashill's and American Thinker's use of the term evidence.

481 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:06:23pm

re: #474 J.S.

Really. What garbage. where did that poll take place?

Well it's from Haaretz which is the NYT of Israel, so that is why I called Bullshit.

482 Geepers  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:06:35pm

Nevergiveup (#463),

Gallup poll: 74% of Jews support Obama versus 22% for McCain (Haaretz)

I call bullshit!

That's pretty much in line with historic trends.

Check it out.

483 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:06:38pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

Oh. Well, I hear enough Lizards here talking about stocking up the old arsenal. What's that for, target practice?

I'm not against protecting oneself. That's my whole point. I think there is going to be violence, both sides, eventually.

What's going to happen if Obama gets elected and passes gun control laws that just about remove any private ownership of guns? You think no one out there is going to put up a stink?

As I say, mark my words.

Target practice? Please don't patronize me. I would say precautions are a safe bet as I am sure there will be riots in certain parts of the country. But, I am convinced we (in this forum) are not taking to the streets in reckless rioting if Obama were to win.

Nor do I believe an Obama administration would successfully pass any legislation banning the private ownership of weapons. They may make it more difficult. They may make ammo an issue. But wholesale confiscation? I sincerely doubt it.

484 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:02pm

Now we know why Obama has plans for a national militia at least as large as our military.

485 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:23pm

re: #451 ljmw

IMHO an 8 year old should be enjoying a certain innocence which ought not to contain politics.

We live in very sad times, I think.

486 abolitionist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:26pm

Yuri Bezmenov explained what routinely happens to most of the idealistic frontline revolutionaries when they actually succeed in destabilizing a country. It's not pretty.

Yuri Bezmenov Explains Soviet Strategy for Subversion 7 of 9 - useful idiots

487 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:31pm

re: #482 Geepers

Nevergiveup (#463),

That's pretty much in line with historic trends.

Check it out.

I don't believe when the votes, the real votes, are counted Obama will do anywhere near that well. I predict it will be closer to 60 -40 Obama at best.

488 TweetyPie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:07:44pm

Truly disgusting. Wake up America before you get a radical leftist in sheep's clothing as your next President.

Remember the Carter years for a sneak preview of what's to come...

489 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:08:25pm

re: #471 Soona'

An ancient jock-strap.

Joccus Strappus. One of the Centurion's in Biggus Dickus' legion.

490 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:08:59pm

re: #479 freeus

To say that I am terrified is an understatement.

To say I am livid over the media not looking at this and asking how in the world Barak Obama would blurb a book for Ayers, share an office and launch his political campaign is also an understatement.

No matter what the result of this election we MUST unite and fight against the ignorance of those in this nation that do not comprehend the dangers of people like Ayers.

If Obama gets elected, they will celebrate the dangers of people like Ayers. Their socialist agenda is no secret. Like now, we will be preaching to the choir.

We'll have to wait until these people finally get fucked over by the left, as has happened so many times before, in many countries, before they are shaken out of their sleep.

491 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:09:20pm

re: #489 Colonel Panik

Joccus Strappus. One of the Centurion's in Biggus Dickus' legion.

Didn't he play for the Agrippa Bears?

492 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:09:27pm

re: #483 Outrider

Nor do I believe an Obama administration would successfully pass any legislation banning the private ownership of weapons. They may make it more difficult. They may make ammo an issue. But wholesale confiscation? I sincerely doubt it.

Just keep your blinders on. Obama is counting on it!

493 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:09:38pm

re: #484 yah

Now we know why Obama has plans for a national militia at least as large as our military.

Since militias are creatures of the people, I am curious what that ditz-brain thinks he's agonna do?

494 Hobbes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:10:01pm

re: #88 Promethea

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

You're kidding! Right? Surprised by Daley!

495 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:10:23pm

re: #329 johnnyreb

A very good investment. And it never goes bad.

And it's never worth nothing.

496 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:11:30pm

re: #479 freeus

And, of course, it's not just "people like Ayers." There could be other "problems". Let's just suppose (this is conjecture here), there's something in Obama's past which is -- cough -- embarrassing? damaging? harmful? -- and certain parties are well aware of said info...Then, guess what happens? Ah yes, Obama will, in effect, be held hostage...the scenario -- the group informs Obama that Obama either does as they dictate, or else the info will be leaked to the press. (Yet another reason to "thank" the MSM for not doing its job.)

497 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:11:44pm

re: #481 Nevergiveup

Well it's from Haaretz which is the NYT of Israel, so that is why I called Bullshit.

I thought Haaretz was a company that made disposable birdcage bottoms, oh well another fantasy dispelled.

498 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:12:13pm

re: #485 Ojoe

I destinctly remember voting in a mock election Kennedy/Nixon when I was 8 years old. It is one of the few things I remember from my grade school days. That and the Kennedy assasination. We were called in from recess and released from school by a visibly shakened teacher.

It is not always easy to shield children from real events.

499 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:12:31pm

re: #483 Outrider

Target practice? Please don't patronize me. I would say precautions are a safe bet as I am sure there will be riots in certain parts of the country. But, I am convinced we (in this forum) are not taking to the streets in reckless rioting if Obama were to win.

Nor do I believe an Obama administration would successfully pass any legislation banning the private ownership of weapons. They may make it more difficult. They may make ammo an issue. But wholesale confiscation? I sincerely doubt it.

No where, in any of my posts, have I suggested that Lizard's, or other Americans who are conservative, are going to take to the streets. Show me where I said that. But I did say there will be violence, and in my opinion, there will be fighting, in self defense, in the future.

Please re-read my posts. I wasn't trying to patronize you. For a matter of fact, your response is exactly the same as what I am trying to say.

Maybe I was not clear enough. Sorry if that's the case.

500 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:12:41pm

re: #424 Jimash

Mine has decided to wear a decidedly corporate looking outfit, carry a brief case and her cell phone. She is going to be a CEO of ExxonMobile. In her words: What, Mom, could be scarier than that to the uneducated masses?
Did I mention she is 10? Let me just say again, I warn you all about this one. If anyone really COULD take over the world? Its her.

501 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:12:43pm

i've been talking to new yorkers all day who really are pissed abt. obama's $250,000 tax cut off punishment number.
they can't figure out how he came up w/ that amt.
hmmmmm, wonder why they're not happy to spread the wealth around.

502 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:12:58pm

re: #483 Outrider

Target practice? Please don't patronize me. I would say precautions are a safe bet as I am sure there will be riots in certain parts of the country. But, I am convinced we (in this forum) are not taking to the streets in reckless rioting if Obama were to win.

Nor do I believe an Obama administration would successfully pass any legislation banning the private ownership of weapons. They may make it more difficult. They may make ammo an issue. But wholesale confiscation? I sincerely doubt it.

I disagree, the way I see it is that Obama will try and make us register all fire arms and then try and take them, not just that he will make the purchase of ammo very difficult with high taxes etc.

503 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:13:24pm

re: #492 yah

Just keep your blinders on. Obama is counting on it!

Oh shit! Don't even try that crap. Blinders! I don't have to establish any kind of "credentials" for conservatism to anyone.

But there is no reason to be losing your heads and start behaving like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.

504 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:13:48pm

i'm going to take a walk and get a nice bottle of wine.

505 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:14:29pm

re: #481 Nevergiveup

Well it's from Haaretz which is the NYT of Israel, so that is why I called Bullshit.

Haaretz makes the NYT look like Fox News.

506 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:15:01pm

re: #504 nyc redneck

i'm going to take a walk and get a nice bottle of wine.

I'm stocking up on hard liquor for the next 2 weeks.

507 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:15:01pm

re: #482 Geepers

Actually, because there is a secret ballot -- you don't really know how people actually vote. The only thing you do know is what people tell you -- "Yeah, I voted for Obama!" (not). It's also one of the reasons why there's typically a much higher "undecided" vote in certain communities...(it isn't that they're "undecided" -- it's that they're not willing to tell you who they'll vote for.)

508 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:15:27pm

re: #504 nyc redneck

i'm going to take a walk and get a nice bottle of wine.

Sometimes, it's important to keep things in perspective. Enjoy yourself.

509 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:15:29pm

re: #498 ljmw

I can give you a little insight on that. 9/11 occurred when I was starting second grade. A school assembly was called and the headmaster gave a short speech offering prayers, etc. for the "victims". We didn't have a clue what happened until we got home. It was kind of surreal, because all of the teachers were worked up and nobody knew what was happening.

510 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:15:49pm

re: #500 ArmyWife


Maybe I'll paint on a black eye. Write a large B on my face with a red sharpie and wear a McCain/Palin T Shirt.

511 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:16:04pm

re: #505 Alouette

Haaretz makes the NYT look like Fox News.

Well that's another way of putting it.

512 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:16:26pm

re: #485 Ojoe

IMHO an 8 year old should be enjoying a certain innocence which ought not to contain politics.

We live in very sad times, I think.

I agree but considering that the teachers in the public schools (not all, but some) use their classrooms as political forums, it's a matter of the parents ensuring their children know that there are other points of view out there in the world. My 9 year old has a friend who's mother uses her child to push her political agenda, without shame. They have website and everything where he performs "peace" songs. She's an avid Obama supporter. We have taught our son that it is not the "PERSON" that you dislike, but their agendas or ideas and we try our hardest to show and explain the differences. Children are watching and listening and emulating even at young ages.

513 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:16:29pm

How is this for a scenario?

The stock market starts to rise as McCain's poll numbers get better. People notice. The phenomena gets ink. People are afraid of what an Obama administration would do to the economy.

More people swing toward McCain. The market goes up more. People catch on. The tide turns, there's a big swell of support for McCain-Palin.

McCain wins. The stock market takes off.

514 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:22pm

re: #509 ClosetConservative

I can give you a little insight on that. 9/11 occurred when I was starting second grade. A school assembly was called and the headmaster gave a short speech offering prayers, etc. for the "victims". We didn't have a clue what happened until we got home. It was kind of surreal, because all of the teachers were worked up and nobody knew what was happening.

How old are you?

515 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:28pm
516 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:37pm

NYC mayor wins fight to extend term limits

Yeah, boy that's fair. And I am sure it had nothing, I say nothing, to do with his billions?

517 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:38pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

No where, in any of my posts, have I suggested that Lizard's, or other Americans who are conservative, are going to take to the streets. Show me where I said that. But I did say there will be violence, and in my opinion, there will be fighting, in self defense, in the future.

Please re-read my posts. I wasn't trying to patronize you. For a matter of fact, your response is exactly the same as what I am trying to say.

Maybe I was not clear enough. Sorry if that's the case.

This is a tough forum to discuss issues. I'm not trying to be angry at anyone and I agree self defense will no doubt be needed by some of us in the coming weeks, myself included, as I have some of the "low income housing" apartments one block away and the occupants walk by all the time. Yes, they have made comments directed at me and my signs, so I hear what you are saying.

518 unclassifiable  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:38pm

re: #433 little blessing

LB I understand where you are coming from BUT...

I have lived here all of my life and have lived in the lap of luxury because of America's generous bounty.

It would be inconsiderate IMHO to turn my back on it just because we as a nation have unwisely picked a misguided neophyte in a fit of pique.

I will go down with the ship if that is what happens but I will go down fighting because I will always look back on the days of liberty and freedom and long for its return.

519 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:46pm

re: #503 Outrider

I'm with you, Outrider. There is no reason to go spouting off about becoming violent as a result of this election. No one would be faulted for self protection, but we should be above the crap being threatened by the Dems with their call for rioting in the streets. We are better than that. I also truly believe that is an Obama tactic - Oh! We better vote for O or there will be dangerous riots!

Self protection? You betcha. Uncontrolled violence and rioting? Its not going to start with me.

520 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:17:59pm

re: #503 Outrider

Oh shit! Don't even try that crap. Blinders! I don't have to establish any kind of "credentials" for conservatism to anyone. But there is no reason to be losing your heads and start behaving like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.

But there is a reason to understand that Obama's supporters DO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. And they do want socialism. We have to stop fooling ourselves that they are uninformed, dolts, selfish or whatever.

They have spent 50 years setting this up. It's not by accident that this man has appeared out of no where, with the money and support he has.

This is happening, and there is no stopping it right now.

521 bellamags  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:18:03pm

re: #513 HelloDare

That is a great scenario. From your fingers to Gods ears.

522 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:18:06pm

re: #509 ClosetConservative

I can give you a little insight on that. 9/11 occurred when I was starting second grade. A school assembly was called and the headmaster gave a short speech offering prayers, etc. for the "victims". We didn't have a clue what happened until we got home. It was kind of surreal, because all of the teachers were worked up and nobody knew what was happening.

You're 14?

523 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #514 BBEV

Fifteen.

524 Diane  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:20:13pm

re: #420 Diane Correction on my own post!

What does Obama think of Ayers' ideas now?

525 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:20:20pm

How low can you go? How low can you go?

Culinary show on Hitler's favorite meal condemned
Published: 10.23.08, 22:10 / Israel News
A culinary show on Adolf Hitler's favorite meal to be aired next week has come under fire from Jewish, resistance and political prisoner organizations.

In his series "Plat Prefere," or "Favorite Dish," professional cook Jeroen Meus goes to Hitler's haunts in southern Germany to prepare trout with butter sauce, "a succulent festive meal" and said to be one of Hitler's favorite meals, the program's trailer announced. (AP)

526 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:20:25pm

re: #503 Outrider


Nor do I believe an Obama administration would successfully pass any legislation banning the private ownership of weapons.


Tell that to the conservatives in San Fransisco, DC, and Chicago. Maybe they didn't believe it would happen either. But it did. Ayers and friends said they would KILL anyone that could not be reeducated. Don't you believe them?

527 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:20:40pm

re: #523 ClosetConservative

I wish my eyes were open that young.

528 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:20:51pm

re: #502 BBEV

I disagree, the way I see it is that Obama will try and make us register all fire arms and then try and take them, not just that he will make the purchase of ammo very difficult with high taxes etc.

He ~may~ try the registration route, but I think it is doomed to failure. Although the Congress is Democrat at the moment, it is mostly moderate, not liberal. I think the same is true for ammo.

I now quite a few folks down here in Coastal Georgia that will vote for Obama because he is a Democrat-pure and simple. They all are avid hunters and shooters and just will not react well to any mention of gun control.

529 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:21:04pm

re: #509 ClosetConservative

How old are you?

530 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:21:27pm

re: #514 BBEV

I just asked CC's age too!

531 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:13pm

re: #523 ClosetConservative

Fifteen.

I have never posted to you before but the fact that you are here and learning all this at your age is very heartening to me. I only wish there was an internet when I was your age.

532 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:19pm

re: #462 Noam Sayin'

I just ignored both my 1st birthday and 1000th post, some that may have even made sense. :-)

533 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:27pm

re: #519 ArmyWife

I'm with you, Outrider. There is no reason to go spouting off about becoming violent as a result of this election. No one would be faulted for self protection, but we should be above the crap being threatened by the Dems with their call for rioting in the streets. We are better than that. I also truly believe that is an Obama tactic - Oh! We better vote for O or there will be dangerous riots!

Self protection? You betcha. Uncontrolled violence and rioting? Its not going to start with me.

But it will happen. Hopefully it will end with you. I am not claiming that conservatives are going to pre-emptively take to the streets.

But I am saying, I'm convinced that there will be violence. And there is nothing "controlled" about violence. It always becomes uncontrolled.

War is control, battles are controlled, most fighting between nations follow some sort of "rules."

Not when it takes to the street.

534 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:35pm

Guess we gotta watch our *&%$#@! language now.

535 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:41pm

re: #507 J.S.

Yeah, that's true. Whenever I'm making calls at the McCain phone bank, some people will answer which presidential candidate they intend to vote for but refuse to say who they intend to vote for in the senatorial contests. So you're instructed to just put down 'undecided'. Given the climate toward McCain supporters, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of 'Undeciceds" are closeted McCain supporters.

536 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:44pm

re: #506 Nevergiveup

I'm stocking up on hard liquor for the next 2 weeks.


I think I'll stock up on enough of it for the next 2 years. And I don't even drink it - yet.

537 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:22:56pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

Oh. Well, I hear enough Lizards here talking about stocking up the old arsenal. What's that for, target practice?

I'm not against protecting oneself. That's my whole point. I think there is going to be violence, both sides, eventually.

What's going to happen if Obama gets elected and passes gun control laws that just about remove any private ownership of guns? You think no one out there is going to put up a stink?

As I say, mark my words.


You don't get it. These things are done incrementally.
Kennedy's gun control act of '68 didn't have gun owners setting off rounds in the streets.
There wasn't armed rebellion when Clinton passed his big gun ban.
Some states passed parallel laws that STILL haven't been taken off the books.

538 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:23:07pm

Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary who sharply criticized President Bush in his memoir last spring, told CNN Thursday he's voting for Barack Obama.

I didn't know McClellan was related to Colin Powell, they don't look alike?

539 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:23:24pm

I'm starting to think the Fox broadcasters are as biased against the Phillies as the MSM are against McCain. For Pete's sake - they beat the Dodgers convincingly, and they won last night. Yet McCarver keeps talking about what a hard battle they have to fight. Bah.

540 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:23:25pm

re: #452 unreconstructed rebel

Not original. Appeared in a thread a few days ago. But I will kill for a bumper-sticker version. ;)

Here you go............

.....now as for your payment, there's this professor in Chicago.......um, never mind....

541 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:23:32pm

re: #528 Outrider


I now quite a few folks down here in Coastal Georgia that will vote for Obama because he is a Democrat-pure and simple. They all are avid hunters and shooters and just will not react well to any mention of gun control.

You need to direct them to this webpage from the NRA:

www.gunbanobama.com

Any gunowner who votes for Obama is shooting him/her self in the foot.

542 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:23:49pm

re: #496 J.S.

In this atmosphere, there is no way that a president could be the keeper of a ' secret ' for any length of time.... especially one that determined investigators were looking for. There is no place that is leakproof, and someone is always going to succumb to the temptation of spilling the beans. Usually for profit.

543 solomonpanting  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:24:17pm

re: #531 BBEV

I only wish there was an internet when I was your age.

Yeah. Kinda tough to carry on a site like this via telegraph.
;0

544 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:24:44pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup

His mama (Carole Keeton Strayhorn, the "Grandma" independent candidate for TX governor in 2006) must have got to him.

545 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:25:05pm

re: #528 Outrider

He ~may~ try the registration route, but I think it is doomed to failure. Although the Congress is Democrat at the moment, it is mostly moderate, not liberal. I think the same is true for ammo.

I now quite a few folks down here in Coastal Georgia that will vote for Obama because he is a Democrat-pure and simple. They all are avid hunters and shooters and just will not react well to any mention of gun control.

OK what ever makes you sleep good at night.

546 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:25:33pm

re: #539 arethusa

I'm starting to think the Fox broadcasters are as biased against the Phillies as the MSM are against McCain. For Pete's sake - they beat the Dodgers convincingly, and they won last night. Yet McCarver keeps talking about what a hard battle they have to fight. Bah.

You do know McCarver is senile and has a touch of Lautenberg disease?

547 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:32pm

Since polls have shown that the military are overwhelmingly going to vote for McCain, and many of course will be voting absentee ballots, Some military absentee ballots being tossed

548 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:35pm

re: #536 yah

Two years? Ya think that BHO will be impeached and convicted that quickly? Optimism is a great thing.....
:)

549 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:51pm

re: #523 ClosetConservative

Well, I'm impressed.

If my eight year old grandson, he'll be nine in January, is still interested in politics when he is 15 I will be pleased. Everytime he sees me he asks me about McCain and Obama's tax plans. They Halloween candy object lesson should make my life easier.

550 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

But there is a reason to understand that Obama's supporters DO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. And they do want socialism. We have to stop fooling ourselves that they are uninformed, dolts, selfish or whatever.

They have spent 50 years setting this up. It's not by accident that this man has appeared out of no where, with the money and support he has.

This is happening, and there is no stopping it right now.

As someone posted above-I try to keep it in perspective. I've been actively dealing with these slugs since 1968 when I got active politically.
Socialism? I would say they want to go a little more to the left than that-as long as they are the ones running the show.
But more is accomplished with well reasoned rational thought than is accomplished through rhetoric.

551 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:13pm

re: #535 ClosetConservative

Welcome to LGF. Pardon the "bad language"! You write with good clarity and focus. There is hope for our future! I have learned a great deal since joining LGF years ago and I trust that you will also. Thanks for volunteering for John McCain. I don't have the time so I appreciate those that do!

552 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:21pm

re: #540 IslandLibertarian

Here you go............

.....now as for your payment, there's this professor in Chicago.......um, never mind....

Has it got sticky on the back? ;-)

553 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:30pm

Time to eat.bbl

554 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:33pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

You do know McCarver is senile and has a touch of Lautenberg disease?

I was starting to come to the first conclusion!

555 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:39pm

re: #531 BBEV

The internet is a great tool to get youth involved in the political process. The problem is that many of my peers tend to go for first impressions. Just today I heard the election broken down in this way:

"Which would you prefer, an old white dude or a hip young guy who inspires the masses?"

For the Millennial Generation (anyone read that article in the WSJ about us yesterday?) it comes down to looks and manner of speaking. The key to creating a new conservative base is putting an attractive face on conservative principles. The fact of the matter is that nobody's first impression of social conservatism is 'cool'- chastity is considered something to be discarded at the first opportunity.

556 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:28:00pm

Hillary's October Surprise?

When Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama–possibly under duress from Obama’s cohorts and party leaders–she was probably supposed to have removed from the Internet all damning statements that she and her campaign had made about Barack Obama. Unfortunately for Barry, a letter from her campaign counsel, which is still online at http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/0...er.1.23.08. pdf, is about to become the dreaded October Surprise. (A backup copy is now at http://www.stentorian.com/Obama/clinton_complaint. pdf). This extremely damning letter not only reinforces what is being said about ACORN, but extends allegations of election irregularities to Barack Obama’s own campaign.

There is no place in the American electoral process for the types of voter suppression, intimidation, and harassment systematically engaged in by the Obama campaign, its allies and supporters.

557 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:28:23pm

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

I guess I have such a different view of this - and it may be skewed because of being associated with the Army for my whole life. My Grandfathers, my father, my husband are all career Army. Where I sit, it would/should be controlled because the ones who would defend me ARE in the Army and I can't fathom them running amok through the streets in a riot situation.

558 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:00pm

re: #542 tradewind

Oh really? Then I suppose you've got access to Obama Columbia thesis? or how about his doctoral dissertation? I have a list (someone put it up a month or so ago) of approx. 15 items which are the equivalent of media blackouts/blanks...such as How about that trip to Pakistan, eh? What was he doing there? what passport did he use, how long did he stay, who did he see? how, what, when, where, why.

559 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:02pm

re: #498 ljmw

Catholic school?

I remember Nov 22- 8th grade it was, St. Therese School. Some kids started crying instantly.

560 n in wi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:52pm

re: #555 ClosetConservative

The internet is a great tool to get youth involved in the political process. The problem is that many of my peers tend to go for first impressions. Just today I heard the election broken down in this way:

"Which would you prefer, an old white dude or a hip young guy who inspires the masses?"

For the Millennial Generation (anyone read that article in the WSJ about us yesterday?) it comes down to looks and manner of speaking. The key to creating a new conservative base is putting an attractive face on conservative principles. The fact of the matter is that nobody's first impression of social conservatism is 'cool'- chastity is considered something to be discarded at the first opportunity.

You are describing Sara Palin

561 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:06pm

re: #555 ClosetConservative

For the Millennial Generation (anyone read that article in the WSJ about us yesterday?) it comes down to looks and manner of speaking. The key to creating a new conservative base is putting an attractive face on conservative principles.

Sarah Palin

562 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:15pm

re: #552 unreconstructed rebel

Has it got sticky on the back? ;-)

Just tape your monitor to your bumper..............

.................or print it out, overlay clear packing tape that goes beyond the edge and stick to bumper.
Necessity is the mother of invention.

563 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:23pm

They check I.D. in the Lounge, don't they? ;)

564 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:27pm
565 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:38pm

re: #531 BBEV

I have never posted to you before but the fact that you are here and learning all this at your age is very heartening to me. I only wish there was an internet when I was your age.

Huh? If President Roosevelt could go on TV to reassure the country when the stock market crashed, surely you could have logged on to the internet when you were that age! Didn't you have an 8-track?

566 Shakey Jakey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:45pm

re: #559 Ojoe

I remember it also-8th grade Holy Trinity School-We sais a rosary

567 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:31:27pm

re: #555 ClosetConservative
And you read the Wall Street Journal. I think I understand but may I ask why you feel the need to stay in the closet?

568 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:33:27pm

re: #555 ClosetConservative

The internet is a great tool to get youth involved in the political process. The problem is that many of my peers tend to go for first impressions. Just today I heard the election broken down in this way:

"Which would you prefer, an old white dude or a hip young guy who inspires the masses?"

For the Millennial Generation (anyone read that article in the WSJ about us yesterday?) it comes down to looks and manner of speaking. The key to creating a new conservative base is putting an attractive face on conservative principles. The fact of the matter is that nobody's first impression of social conservatism is 'cool'- chastity is considered something to be discarded at the first opportunity.

This must be why the left is so scared of Palin. She's attractive, speaks well and has apparently been inspiring to her constituents in Alaska.
They can't make her appear ugly on the outside, so they desperately try to paint her as ugly in every other way possible.

569 Hobbes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:33:43pm

In Chicago-land area no one at this point can disagree with the Obama "doctrine". If you are on the radio and you do not fully agree with the "One"
your days are numbered. Today, on a very popular talk radio station, Jerry Agar, a conservative host lost his job (contract not renewed) because he repeatedly and openly referred to "the One" as a Socialist and warned of the outcome of electing such a leader to power.

You should understand that Illinois is a model of what the country can become. The Statehouse is Democrat, the legislature - both houses - Democrat, the population center of Cook County Democrat, the City of Chicago Democrat. Taxes are among the highest in the nation at every level authorized to levy them. They fall all over themselves competing for the taxpayers contribution. Is it any wonder that we're already seeing the "fairness doctrine" applied to squelch dissent?

If it weren't that the House Majority Leader hates both the Governor and the Senate Majority Leader, we'd be in an outright totalitarian system already. Only their inability to avoid internal feuds limits the exercise of their power. The Messiah has been a supporter of most of the current state leadership and the Senate Majority Leader (Emil Jones) was an early mentor whom many believe has been the prime cause of his success.

Wish us well, we need it.

570 Freelance  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:34:33pm

That is not the Weather Underground that I knew.

/Obama

571 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:34:34pm

re: #555 ClosetConservative
We have a lot to learn from you.

572 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:34:54pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup

Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary who sharply criticized President Bush in his memoir last spring, told CNN Thursday he's voting for Barack Obama.

I didn't know McClellan was related to Colin Powell, they don't look alike?

What a surprise. Not. He's probably hoping to get a job back in the White House. What an annoying person. Never was able to stand the guy. Here's the link for the announcement.

573 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:34:58pm

re: #560 n in wi

You might just be right there. It's unfortunate the media sources popular with youth, particularly SNL, have held her up as having a total lack of mental acuity. But the worst bit is that SNL gets blurred with reality. I get people coming up to me and saying that Sarah Palin said this, that, or the other thing. Most of the time, it was actually Tina Fey who said it on Saturday Night Live. Scary much?

574 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:27pm

re: #526 yah

Tell that to the conservatives in San Fransisco, DC, and Chicago. Maybe they didn't believe it would happen either. But it did. Ayers and friends said they would KILL anyone that could not be reeducated. Don't you believe them?

I have no reason to doubt them. I've dealt these guys before in Europe. Red Army Faction (Bader-Meinhof), Action Directe, Red Brigade among others. These guys are no different.

Again. You panic. I'll be rational. Ok?

575 Diane  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:36:10pm

re: #528 Outrider Interesting
We tried that in Canada, it was not a success and it is so expensive. The Recently, in a murder case in Montreal, where do-gooders were screaming for more restrictions, it was established that the cops did not figure out how to use the new system. Crazy stuff.

About Barak Obama, if the majority of Americans are mad enough to elect their messiah, we could expect that they will be quickly disillusioned. It will become evident that he can't make any real decisions, that he probably prefers to be loved than to be respected and his smirking will intensified proportionally to the disenchantment of "his" people.

576 n in wi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:37:36pm

re: #572 rightymouse

I miss Tony Snow. May he rest in peace.I wonder how the conversation is going between him and Tim Russert.

577 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:01pm
578 Geepers  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:34pm

ClosetConservative (#573),

Scary much?

Well at least they're repeating something that someone actually said (though they got the speaker wrong) as opposed to too many "grown up" Leftys that just want to make shit up.

579 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:51pm

re: #541 Colonel Panik

You need to direct them to this webpage from the NRA:

www.gunbanobama.com

Any gunowner who votes for Obama is shooting him/her self in the foot.

Boy do I agree. I've debated with them until I am blue in the face. You ever hear the term Yellow Dog Democrat? This is where it originates.

580 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:39:38pm

re: #545 BBEV

OK what ever makes you sleep good at night.

noted. (smile)

581 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:39:56pm

re: #576 n in wi

I miss Tony Snow. May he rest in peace.I wonder how the conversation is going between him and Tim Russert.

I miss Tony too. And hope he and Tim have found a nice, comfy spot in heaven to talk to each other.

582 little blessing  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:40:03pm

re: #518 unclassifiable

I know, that is why I haven't done it yet. It is not a decision made lightly.

Nations making mistakes happen and we could both name them but most mistakes are forgivable.

I can't remember anything that made me feel as fearful as I do now. 9/11 didn't scare me the way this election does. The masses are sold on Obama, a bumbling idiot. However, the bumbling idiot is friends with dangerous people.

These are just a couple. There are more and the public is looking away from it. Anything to get Obama elected. There seems to be so much illogical support for him.

If it comes to socialism and "re-education" I'd rather be alive in another country than a dead national. After all, if it gets that bad there won't be anyone who will remember the "days of liberty and freedom and long for its return."

In the meantime we wait and see.

583 Little Doxie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:40:55pm

re: #573 ClosetConservative

You might just be right there. It's unfortunate the media sources popular with youth, particularly SNL, have held her up as having a total lack of mental acuity. But the worst bit is that SNL gets blurred with reality. I get people coming up to me and saying that Sarah Palin said this, that, or the other thing. Most of the time, it was actually Tina Fey who said it on Saturday Night Live. Scary much?

I don't feel so bad now, my 70 year old Mom thought Tina Fey was
Sarah Palin. Good to have your youthful mature point of view. Kudo's
to you.

584 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:20pm

re: #547 puckish and beguiling

Since polls have shown that the military are overwhelmingly going to vote for McCain, and many of course will be voting absentee ballots, Some military absentee ballots being tossed

Why should this election be any different? Our ballots have always been tossed. That was admitted during the big Florida "to do".

585 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:42pm

You can't make this stuff up, can you? Oprah: Obama's Ambassador to the UK

586 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:42:08pm

re: #577 taxfreekiller

But you are not voting for McCain?

587 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:42:34pm

re: #585 puckish and beguiling

You can't make this stuff up, can you? Oprah: Obama's Ambassador to the UK

Won't the Brits be thrilled?

588 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:44pm

re: #584 Outrider

Why should this election be any different? Our ballots have always been tossed. That was admitted during the big Florida "to do".

OK to risk your lives, but not OK to vote?

589 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:58pm

re: #558 J.S.

Yawn....
This is the same thing that was said re Hillary's thesis at Wellesley, which managed to make its way into the public domain.
I'm not saying there would not be a concerted effort to cover up_______ (fill in the blank), I am saying that it wouldn't stand the test of very much time at all.
Any good PI could hack or weasel his way into getting a copy of Obama's academic writings, and I suspect that they will show up shortly after the election.
Re the reported trip to Pakistan, State has a record of the of use of every American's passport. Who did he see? Who cares?
I hate the thought of an Obama presidency more than you can imagine, but not for speculative reasons that don't really have much to do with why it would be so damaging for the country. Birth certificates and dissertations are interesting, but IMO in the long run they are distracting from the real problems this candidate brings to the White House ...problems that might actually change some minds.

590 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:26pm

re: #564 ploome hineni

Just toss those endorsements into the file marked ' Disgruntled former employees who feel dissed'.

591 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:49pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

People with blinders on like you are the ones who are pathetic and irrelevant to the discourse. I suppose it just is too far-fetched for your brain to grasp the notion that millions of Americans could actually be killed by a nut-job tyrant dictator and a bunch of lunatic followers. Yeah..well..people didn't believe Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot etc. etc. could/would do that either.

592 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:47:49pm

re: #567 ljmw

The gist of it is that while I may sound paranoid, political conservatism is kind of taboo. I've actually had (friendly) arguments with teachers in class about it, but generally it's a good idea to keep it on the down-low. I went to school one day with a McCain-Palin pin on my bag and by the end of the day someone had ripped it off. It's kind of like those conservative intellectuals (not that I'd count myself among their ranks!) who don't really publish their work to avoid getting their heads ripped off. It's just not worth it.

593 Arkay  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:09pm

They decided they'd have to do it slowly and to enlist Planned Parenthood.

The plan succeded and is now exceeding twice their original estimated numbers.

594 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:07pm

re: #588 puckish and beguiling

OK to risk your lives, but not OK to vote?

Now you understand the term "cannon fodder"

595 Parker in US  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:50pm

Where in the hell are we supposed to send our kids to college. If i sent my kid off for a year and he came back barking like a moonbat I would be very pissed and looking to "eliminate" some college professors.

596 Hobbes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:56pm

re: #585 puckish and beguiling

You can't make this stuff up, can you? Oprah: Obama's Ambassador to the UK

If Joe Kennedy could be, why not Oprah?

597 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #596 Hobbes

If Joe Kennedy could be, why not Oprah?

Indeed!

598 dkorta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:53pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

Bill Ayers slipped into our teaching system years ago.He as former,unrepentant
terrorist, he got in under the radar.Ok,he's on the radar now,(big time),so how do we do something to get him out of the teaching of our kids.
Seems that Ward Churchill got kicked out,,this Ayers needs to be next.
And then some sort of Conservative study needs to be done to check out what other jerks are teaching our kids,and get them out as well.

Well, if you graduated from UIC, when the alumni association comes around every year with their hand out, you can say, "When you get rid of Bill Ayers, I might give you some of my money." At the very least you now have a legitimate excuse to tell them to pound sand. I think Ayers is tenured now, since he's been there since '87 so he's in a safe spot employment-wise. Of course, if donations to UIC happen to dry up because of Ayers, well, they might be able to find some way to get him to transfer to Berkely or something.

As far as the other jerks go, there's a webpage somewhere wih a nice list of moonbats in academia who signed up in support of Ayers. After I sent them an e-mail thanking them for providing a list of the worst of the Marxists ass-clowns in academia, several attempts were made to hack my computer. Funny, no one ever tried to hack my computer before. Just a coincidence, I guess.

599 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:29pm
600 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:34pm
601 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:53pm

re: #485 Ojoe

IMHO an 8 year old should be enjoying a certain innocence which ought not to contain politics.

We live in very sad times, I think.

I remember being in the second grade and chanting "We want Stevenson". As in Adlai who ran against Eisenhower. Eisenhower, of course, was a Republican moron and Stevenson was a Democrat intellectual supported by the media.

602 Arkay  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:30pm

I remember Chrissy R., the thug that lived next door, beating me up for supporting Nixon in '72. "Nixon wants us to have a Depression!"

603 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:40pm
604 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:45pm

re: #595 Parker in US

Where in the hell are we supposed to send our kids to college. If i sent my kid off for a year and he came back barking like a moonbat I would be very pissed and looking to "eliminate" some college professors.

Just have the little fuck get a job.

605 mama winger  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:57:22pm

re: #569 Hobbes

Jerry Agar got fired from WLS ? Are you kidding ?

606 csparky  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:34pm

You know i found a great way to STOP Global warming

Why dont we just switch the Eliminate the 25 million americans to
Eliminate 25 million leftist wakos

Heck just getting them to shut the hell up
might actually drop the temperature and carbon output
by a quite a bit..

I mean these people are really Friggin nuts.

Its ok for the leftists , demonrats and communists to plan the deaths of millions of american citizens
But if I dare question these Lefist DOGS
Oh then i am a racist?
GEt the Hell out of my country..

607 The Archivist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:45pm

re: #297 nikis-knight

You said:
"when extreme left is international socialism and extreme right is national socialism, there isn't much room for non-socialists."

Please don't buy into the MSM fraud of equating national socialism with "extreme right". That's an intentional lie and a propagandistic slander, the net effect being to make all free-market capitalists and freedom loving individuals akin to Nazis, which of course we're not. Furthest thing from them! Reject this slander every time you see it.
Socialism is socialism is socialism. The reason Nazis and communists hate each other so much is because they are cut from the same stock. Its all one form or another of totalitarianism. They recognize each other as brutal enemies precisely because they are after the same goals. And there's only room for one at the top of that heap.

608 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:03pm

re: #589 tradewind

I don't think in terms of "either/or" -- it's 1) the fact that the MSM has been far busier in searching through the garbage cans looking for info to nail Sarah Palin -- zero for The Zero. In your earlier post, you noted: "In this atmosphere, there is no way that a president could be the keeper of a ' secret ' for any length of time.... especially one that determined investigators were looking for." As I scoff. Yeah, but the reality is that as far as The Zero is concerned, there are no "determined investigators" -- they don't exist. Hence, like that Rumsfeld quote about "unknown unknowns" -- well, that's what we're dealing with right now. We're in the dark. 2) So, if the info we should have had prior to the election some day surfaces after the election -- that would make it ok in your book, eh? Well, sorry -- Not in mine. 3) If the current Zero is able to withhold info -- such as his Thesis from Columbia; his Dissertations from Harvard; etc, etc. the "known unknows" -- IF THIS is able to be HUSHED UP by a COMPLICIT and FAWNING MEDIA -- then, what else is out there? And, if damaging info is out there (in the hands of G-d knows who; info which can be used for blackmail) -- it makes it even more probable that it will be put "to use" eventually -- and in ways we may never even know. This is all part of the disgusting levels of cover up and secrecy -- Operating Right Now -- again, Thanks to the Negligence of our current Media.

609 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:38pm

re: #595 Parker in US

Where in the hell are we supposed to send our kids to college. If i sent my kid off for a year and he came back barking like a moonbat I would be very pissed and looking to "eliminate" some college professors.

Two colleges - Grove City College in Pennsylvania and Hillsdale in Michigan. George Mason's not bad either. Walter Williams is there.

610 mama winger  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:01:08pm

re: #609 rightymouse

Two colleges - Grove City College in Pennsylvania and Hillsdale in Michigan. George Mason's not bad either. Walter Williams is there.

And there are lots of conservative religious colleges that specialize in a classical liberal college education. The good kind.

611 Parker in US  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:02:45pm

re: #604 kansas
What as a chicken plucker?

612 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:03:05pm

re: #526 yah

Fools like that always forget that the bullets go both ways, not just one. They are not the only ones that can be ruthless, cold blooded pricks. It is just that we do not revel in it.

613 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:03:47pm

Re: #567

But that's what's wrong; if we allow fear to take over, they win.

614 Shakey Jakey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:05:00pm

re: #609 rightymouse

Grove City is a great college[my money went there]

615 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:06:40pm

re: #610 mama winger

And there are lots of conservative religious colleges that specialize in a classical liberal college education. The good kind.

True. None of the older kids went to public colleges (i.e. state schools) let alone liberal arts. So they were not subjected to the kind of moonbattiness that prevails in those disciplines.

616 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:06:57pm

re: #614 Shakey Jakey

Grove City is a great college[my money went there]


My hubby went there. :)

617 Parker in US  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:09:20pm

re: #610 mama winger
Thank you for the suggestions!

618 Hobbes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:36pm

re: #605 mama winger

Jerry Agar got fired from WLS ? Are you kidding ?

Yep, tomorrow, Friday, is his last day. Being replaced by Mancow Muller, a real jerk but harmless to the "One Who Walks On Water"!

619 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:50pm

Sorry, I was replying to 592.

We would never have gotten our freedom had we let fear rule our actions. People have given their lives for our freedom; we've got to stand up to these evil people. I've been so angry with the Republicans because of their lack of standing up. It's so good to see someone like Gov. Palin who is not afraid.

620 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:56pm

re: #575 Diane

Interesting
We tried that in Canada, it was not a success and it is so expensive. The Recently, in a murder case in Montreal, where do-gooders were screaming for more restrictions, it was established that the cops did not figure out how to use the new system. Crazy stuff.

About Barak Obama, if the majority of Americans are mad enough to elect their messiah, we could expect that they will be quickly disillusioned. It will become evident that he can't make any real decisions, that he probably prefers to be loved than to be respected and his smirking will intensified proportionally to the disenchantment of "his" people.

They will quickly what many on here have preached since the beginning; he really is nothingmore than an empty suit.

621 Shakey Jakey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:58pm

re: #616 rightymouse

My daughter went there-graduated in '94

622 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:11:44pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

If Obama gets elected, they will celebrate the dangers of people like Ayers. Their socialist agenda is no secret. Like now, we will be preaching to the choir.

We'll have to wait until these people finally get fucked over by the left, as has happened so many times before, in many countries, before they are shaken out of their sleep.

Waaaay too little and waaaay too late.

Unless socialism is stopped in its tracks before it gets established within the organs of government then it will use the powers of the state against the people that make up the state.

It's happened so many times before but we have the same old problem that everyone faces when facing the 'switch point' from normal everyday behavior to a behavior needed to save one's life. Most folks can't make that transition successfully and in time. Their psyche just can't handle it.


We see it everyday in emergency situations where ordinary folks cease acting when faced with making a decision to stop acting normally like they do everyday and begin to act extraordinarily to save themselves. Folks stay at their desk when logic suggests they flee imminent death and destruction, or when faced with making lifesaving decisions in life threatening situations.

This life threatening 'inertia' brought on by a combination of , shock, denial, embarrassment and fear roots not only individuals to the spot but whole societies as well. Too late by the time the inertia wears off and the survival instinct kicks in, for both individuals and societies.

There will be a lot of folks in this blog who declare that their guns will be prized from their cold dead fingers. Unfortunately that will come to pass. What will shock them to their boots will be the fact that those doing the prizing of fingers will be the organs of state. The police and the armed forces, and NOT some group of wild eyed socialist revolutionaries.

The STATE will be socialist.

The organs of State power will be the forces of the state.

Time to put aside childish illusions of self defense folks and look at the reality of socialism as the power of the STATE.

If folks don't kill socialism in utero then it's too late to do anything to bring it to heel afterwards and a nation has then to suffer for 5 generations until the socialist fruit rots of its own accord and falls to the ground.

No more delusions of personal glory and the prizing of gund from cold dead fingers please.

Face the reality of what is happening to the US. Then orientate yourself to that reality. Decide on a logical course of action . Then act!


Anything else is just so much hot air and BS. Toughen up guys & gals

623 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:14:58pm

You know, it occurs to me that at the time this took place the population of the United States would have been around 250 million. So Ayers and his fellow travellers wanted to exterminate roughly 10% of the population of the United States. And people wonder why I think we need to buy guns and ammunition against the day when the Democratic Party tries to carry this policy out.

It really can happen here.

624 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:15:05pm

re: #621 Shakey Jakey

My daughter went there-graduated in '94


Excellent! :)

Hubby went in the '70's. I doubt that it has changed that much in terms of their overall mission. IIRC, neither Grove City nor Hillsdale take any federal $$$.

625 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:17:52pm

re: #623 Iron Fist

You know, it occurs to me that at the time this took place the population of the United States would have been around 250 million. So Ayers and his fellow travellers wanted to exterminate roughly 10% of the population of the United States. And people wonder why I think we need to buy guns and ammunition against the day when the Democratic Party tries to carry this policy out.

It really can happen here.


Yes, sir. It can. And all the warning signs are there. We cannot be complacent - the bastards have to be stripped of their power/influence. That means in politics, education and anywhere else where they have infiltrated.

626 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:19:06pm

Re: 625

How do we stop them?

627 cincinnati_kid37  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:23:51pm

re: #623 Iron Fist

You know, it occurs to me that at the time this took place the population of the United States would have been around 250 million. So Ayers and his fellow travellers wanted to exterminate roughly 10% of the population of the United States. And people wonder why I think we need to buy guns and ammunition against the day when the Democratic Party tries to carry this policy out.

It really can happen here.

There are a number of vids like this one -


that are interviews with this same claimed KGB defector agent, who explains in detail through the vid collection that USSR spent more money on psyops in the USA during the cold war than they did on weapons. I absolutely believe the Democrat leadership today is the communist party.

But you gotta include a Little levity or go nuts with thus stuff.
[Link: www.lukefisher.com...]

628 wales  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:24:18pm

doesn't seem to be a lot to look forward to. If O gets in the White House, wees dead. if McCain gets in the WH, the left will explode. Every underground commie group in the country will set the place on fire because they have waited so long, O was their man and this was their time. This election exposed them and they know they can't hide and wait for the next election. AS D'oh Biden says "gird your loins".

629 The Archivist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:24:31pm

re: #513 HelloDare

How is this for a scenario?

The stock market starts to rise as McCain's poll numbers get better. People notice. The phenomena gets ink. People are afraid of what an Obama administration would do to the economy.

More people swing toward McCain. The market goes up more. People catch on. The tide turns, there's a big swell of support for McCain-Palin.

McCain wins. The stock market takes off.

Exactly what's happening. But will it catch on?

630 Catttt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:26:05pm
diehard American capitalists

E.g., everyone I work with and all of our customers - Barry's bud wants to kill us.

How anyone can vote for a guy who had his come-out party at this man's house is beyond me.

631 notutopia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:27:32pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

I think that was one of Zombies sincere hopes. That we would carry the torch for the uncovering of the socialist values that have been instilled into the educational system. The first step of the process is in it's infancy. The masses have to question the validity of socialism imbedded into education and the educational system itself through baby steps. They are the problem And could be the solution if we can instill responsibility. Most of them are only interested in outcomes of success. They have become blindsighted as to the curriculum. That's why our standards of education are faltering in comparison to other countries accomplishments in bare skill scores. We have lowered the bar and the standards of learning basics to instill social programs into the school system and education. The leave no one behind mentality, is purely socialism! Where else do you hold everyone else in the class behind intheir capabilities to make politically correctness for the students that are doing their work. Todays Educators need to do self evaluation of their own beliefs. Many educators already are aware that the system is broken. They need support and regulations to support them. That starts with Federal, State, County, town.... The awakening is the most important step. If you don't successfully prove the core issue of socialism embedded policy first, the battle will be for not. Until then, we can support private or charter schools or homeschooling.

632 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:27:38pm

re: #626 readytofight

Re: 625

How do we stop them?

For a start show that you are not cowered through massed civil disobedience while it's still legal. Make everyday life impossible for the socialist leaders and goad them into massive over reaction, before they have time to set about putting the levers of power in place that would prohibit such action. Then have an alternative plan already thought through to step into the ensuing mayhem that demanding new elections. Also try to hive off groups with in the organs of state power in the police and military and challenge the power of the state by factionalizing state power against itself. With luck a majority of waverers within the state security apparatus will see an option to absolute state power and will come over. At that tipping point there needs to be a serious leader emerge who can seize the situation as did Yeltsen standing on a tank in front of the Russian Duma building. IT was not a purely physical act of bravery. It was a massive symbolic act that forced the waverers within the police and army to choose which side they were on.


THAT'S what you can do mate!

633 notutopia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:29:05pm

re: #625 rightymouse

Entertainment...Hollywood.

634 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:31:19pm

Rusty Humphries isn't someone I listen to but Jack Cashill is coming up on his show which I believe is being guest hosted tonite by some other guy.

It might be worth a listen

635 dkorta  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:32:31pm

re: #600 buzzsawmonkey

My firewall blocked them and notified me.

636 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:36:07pm

re: #632 Aussie Infidel

One of the warning signs for this kind of thing is the outlawing of the possession of most (if not all) weapons by the civilian population. Back during the Clinton Administration a questionair was given to the Marines at 29 Palms. The last question of the questionair was about gun control, specifically would the Marine fire on American civillians in order to enforce gun control. I never saw official numbers on this, but the rumor was that the question split fairly evenly between those who would and those who wouldn't.

That said, there were those in the Military who asked themselves about whether or not they would fire on the military troops who fired on American citizens.

This issue is the one I see as a potential trip lever for a Second Civil War. And this was all before the Red-Blue split of the 2000 election.

637 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:41:48pm

Cashill is naming names. The representative who is pushing the investigation of Ayers/Obama Dreams connection is Chris Cannon of Utah. Cashill says Cannon will come out swinging in the next day or two.

638 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:42:34pm

re: 632

I'm just wondering if there's enough of us left who will fight.

639 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:43:06pm

I haven't heard this before. There are tax documents that show that Ayers/Obama shared office space in the 90's.

640 Grandma  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:45:38pm

If anyone thinks anymore that the associations The One™ has had, and probably continues to have with the filth that represented themselves by the name of Weather Underground are over has to be blind. How Ayers and Dohrn, et al, came to rise to their prominence in academia thirty years later totally mystifies me. These are the folks who molded the young mind of The One™. I’ll bet even crazy Charlie Manson with his Helter Skelter couldn’t have competed with the filth and bloodlust of those who occupy positions in our universities and have got away with murder on technicalities. And now, we get to see them as having influence for years over a candidate for our President.

The only thought that keeps me going sometimes comes from my 92-year-old Pop who has severe Alzheimer’s. He’d tell you in one of his more lucid moments that “nobody leaves this world alive”. It is just a matter of time before those evil folks go to their “great reward”. I hope I live so long as to see that all happen on its own.

Thanks for listening to Grandma on this chilly SC evening, and have a nice day.

641 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:47:44pm

re: #636 Iron Fist

Actually Iron Fist it never has to get that far. All one has to do is make the country ungovernable once a single outrageous proclamation is brought down. As far as the academic left is concerned they are basically cowards. Egging them and their families, destroying their classes through civil disobedience such as forcing them to close down classes because of things like serial stink bombs in lecture theaters and super glue in door locks, trashed personal cars and beaten up family members. They will fold like a house of cards.
Same with civil society. One must wait for a significant challenge to society by the state. Then use folks already in the system to bring the system down. It's very easy to undermine a system based on electronics from the inside and very difficult to apportion blame. Make the leaders jobs impossible and make them fear for the security of their families and loved ones. The fear of a potential strike against then and theirs is normally enough to have the desired effect. They are by inclination cowards and bullies and 'they don't like it up 'em'!

One does not have to have a civil war to bring down a incipient socialist totalitarian state as long as you strike first, strike smart and strike hard.

642 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:54:56pm

re: #638 readytofight

re: 632

I'm just wondering if there's enough of us left who will fight.

If the communist left numbered just 6% in Eastern Europe won because they had a plan and had the guts, determination and smarts to carry it off. Don't you think if 40-50% of the population armed to the teeth covering 75% of the geographic area of the state says .... whooooh .... wouldn't they have a chance to win big time?

643 calcajun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:56:14pm

OK, maybe there are box cars being lined up for us.

If Ayres is unrepentant, it means he still thinks like this. It means he would be willing to break the capitalistic system we have and remake it in the Marxist mold. Given the mention today of our 401K's being nationalized, it's not that far removed a conclusion.

I have always maintained that the left/communists mean to make the state the religion and we who refuse to accept the new order are the heretics. And, all one has to do is look at Pol Pot, Mao and that darling of the left, Che Guevara, to see how they all dealt with the "heretics" aka counter-revolutionaries.

644 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:03:43pm

re: #633 notutopia

Entertainment...Hollywood.

Yes. Everything is entertainment to Hollywood - reality is a sound stage with trick photography and hopefully, clever writing and special effects. I remember when I lived in Los Angeles back in the '80s, there was a warning of a possible tsunami because of an earthquake near Alaska. People took beach chairs out onto the sand to watch for the tsunami.

645 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:04:53pm

re: 642

Well, count me in. I despise what the left has done to my country.

646 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #643 calcajun

Most likely it will come down to the tale of the frog and the pot.

Drop the frog in boiling water and he will be none too pleased and will hop out.

But slowly heat the water until he's cooked and he'll utter nary a peep.

So too with modern day socialists.

Obama won't do anything too radical but will slowly but surely choke off any and all resistance to his socialist agenda by making it at first inconvenient and then difficult to oppose these changes. Slowly byt surely society will change (and be cooked) until one day you will wake up and remember a time when you had freedoms that you now don't have. By then it'll be too late to roll back the socialist agenda as it will have become part of the society and will be self supporting. Watch the media, education, money supply controls and security controls for the coming 'combat intelligence indicators' of state control.

The trick is to 'force' an issue and make it unworkable. Then force the next one and the one after that until government itself seizes up and becomes unworkable. THEN demand new elections. Then use civil disobedience work to rule, strikes and walk outs, where elections seem the only logical way out of the bind in which society finds itself.

THAT'S fighting smart.

This doesn't have to come down to blood in the streets type fighting.

647 readytofight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:16:47pm

Nite all. Enjoyed the conversation- disturbing, but informative.

648 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:19:37pm

re: #636 Iron Fist

That's an interesting topic Ironfist.

Many moons ago I was a simple reservist G2 sitting around a fire with a clutch of regular force and reservist Majors LTC and COLs. It was in the middle of the 4th Labour (socialist) government and the Prime Minister had just effectively broken off all military contact with the US and by inference Australian military intel contacts. The discussion moved apace until i felt a certain 'hairs on the back of my neck' moment when i realized that we were discussing sedition and the actual logistics of a military over throw of the state. I changed fires.

This trouble in the US doesn't have to come to blood mate. There are smarter ways of bring these bastards to their knees!

649 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:20:29pm

See you Iron fist.

Keep your chin up mate!

650 Not amazed in NJ  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:26:54pm

Sarah Palin said something really important - and very repeatable in her interview with Hannity tonight. The question is not why Obama was associated with Ayers, Wright, Resko, etc. The more important question should be why did Ayers want to get to know Obama? Why did he want to open his home to this guy to kick off his state senate campaign? It is a lot more interesting to ask that than to care who a hack politician befriends.

651 J.S.  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:45:48pm

re: #646 Aussie Infidel

But why should Obama act slowly? Why? Consider -- Obama's "friends" from abroad stage a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. In response, Obama, in effect, declares Martial Law...(in Canada it would be the War Measures Act)...all civil liberties would be suspended...etc.

652 Rose Parade  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:15:35pm

"Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils." (General John Stark)

I used to think this pertained to facing down terrorists from outside our borders. Now I think the worst attack may come from within, if Obama wins in November.

I can see a President Obama appointing nutjob Ayers to a cabinet post. If he wins, he will see it as a validation of himself and then there will be no reason to distance himself any longer from the likes of Ayers and Rev. Wright.

653 rboa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:16:41pm

re: #576 n in wi

I miss Tony Snow. May he rest in peace.I wonder how the conversation is going between him and Tim Russert.

Tony was amazing. He had that Reagan quality of plain talk and sound conservative ideals. He is missed.

654 Watergate  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:21:43pm

There is a great film about the Wannsee conference
([Link: history1900s.about.com...]
where the Nazis planned the Final Solution, including, not surprisingly, the logistics of such an enormous undertaking. It is really chilling. We are very lucky that the Weathermen were few in number and really, really incompetent, because they certainly weren't limited in their vision of mass murder.

And to think -- some 3500 "academics" signed a petition to support Ayers. Disagreeing with an unrepetent terrorist is apparently a threat to free speech, they argue. I wonder where their petition is opposing the reintroduction of the fairness doctrine.

655 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:58:38pm

This story has to get out. People need to know about this, and they need to ask themselves what Obama was doing, working with this man for so many years - endorsing his books, sharing an office building - this is outrageous, and Ayers' has never been one to hide his views.

It is completely implausible that Obama did not know about Bill Ayers' politics. The guy was doing interviews and calling himself an anarchist and Marxist during the time frame that he worked with Obama.

656 rancher  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 10:15:12pm

As one of the die hards I have to wonder how much of this ideology was passed on through the Annenberg Challenge.

In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.

657 extrabob  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 10:48:27pm

re: #67 WrathofG-d

Where there is Communism, "righteous" Genocide is not far.

The U.S. is about to elect a Socialist to office!

Bill Ayers and Barack Obama are the people Khrushchev was talking about when he said "We will bury you from within! Your children will be socialists!"

658 Stevie The K  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 5:38:00am

They were dead serious at the Wannsee Conference as well.

659 GOBAN  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 6:21:55am

I have no idea if anyone is still reading this thread but this mentality is still prevalent in the "liberal" mind. They seem to LOVE the idea. Hey...they even made a movie about it. Check it out.....I saw it while I was working from home a few weeks ago. Its a shocka!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

The gist is that the Liberal minded "enlightened" ones decide to Kill those who do not hold their views. And I mean any of them..not just a few or major ones. You should rent it. Its eye opening.

660 Land Shark  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:54am

I'm proud to say I'm one of the 25 million die-hard capitalists they would have had to kill. If Obama wins, how soon will those re-education camps start to pop up?

Remember, this low life Ayers is part of that liberal mob that wants to take our guns away. Oppose Obama!

661 joan  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:18:57am

Better DEAD than Red.

Would 25 million Americans just go quietly to death? Maybe not after the first few million. Why the "first few million"? There is no place to which one could flee. The fear of scorn, denial, ingrained, deep reluctance to take up arms, ever, against our own folks in a violent civil war, will ensure that."It Can't Happen Here, My Neighbors Are Good People."
Look at the yawns and eye-rolling over this heartless couple, Ayers and Dohrn. Look at the fierce vilification, the suave assurance and evasions of The One. No, some of us would surely be silenced, jailed, eliminated before resistance would be organized or effective.

Unlike the innocents killed by the Third Reich, we today DO know that intellectuals and idealists certainly feel great about executing butchery--we have the facts on that. They drip with blood and their paths are filled with murder, as they must build the great Utopia, wise and ruthless overlords.

662 AW[deleted]  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:21:55am
663 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #637 ljmw

Cashill is naming names. The representative who is pushing the investigation of Ayers/Obama Dreams connection is Chris Cannon of Utah. Cashill says Cannon will come out swinging in the next day or two.

Oh great. Another bogus issue to make Republicans look like morons. Wonderful.

664 joan  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:32:08am

re: #648 Aussie Infidel

That's an interesting topic Ironfist.

Many moons ago I was a simple reservist G2 sitting around a fire with a clutch of regular force and reservist Majors LTC and COLs. It was in the middle of the 4th Labour (socialist) government and the Prime Minister had just effectively broken off all military contact with the US and by inference Australian military intel contacts. The discussion moved apace until i felt a certain 'hairs on the back of my neck' moment when i realized that we were discussing sedition and the actual logistics of a military over throw of the state. I changed fires.

This trouble in the US doesn't have to come to blood mate. There are smarter ways of bring these bastards to their knees!


Thank You! Let's find them, pronto.


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