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Bill Ayers' Terrorist Group Discussed Genocide of Americans

Politics | Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:14:17 pm PDT

Former FBI informant Larry Grathwohl infiltrated the Weather Underground and helped prevent several bombing attacks by the group. In this clip from the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide, Grathwohl describes a Weather Underground meeting at which the terrorists discussed the need to murder at least 25 million people—those diehard American capitalists who would resist “reeducation.”

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I asked, “well what is going to happen to those people we can’t reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?” and the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say “eliminate,” I mean “kill.”

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

(Hat tip: Confederate Yankee.)

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1 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:16:13pm

Now they just have to disenfranchise them.

The revolution was not televised!

2 whiskeybeerwine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:16:49pm

Oh My!

3 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:17:23pm

F_ _ k* Bill Ayers!


and the last time I checked it's those evil diehard capitalists who fund Colleges and Universities with grants so pieces of filth like him and his scraggly wife can sit on their asses and poison the minds of children.

* for the complete translation ask Mandy Manners

4 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:04pm

You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

5 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:29pm

The legacy of the Weather Underground is a festering wound which has been mainstreamed into the Democrat party!

Long after this election, win or lose, The Weather Underground will still be walking our streets, and teaching our children.

6 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:18:38pm

Hey, you want an omelette, you got to BREAK SOME EGGS!
That is what commies always say when you ask them about this.

7 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:19:03pm

re: #1 WrathofG-d

Now they just have to disenfranchise them.

The revolution was not televised!

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy birthday dear wrath
Happy Birthday to you..

8 Desert Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:19:16pm

"......He is just a guy my neighborhood, a college professor......" harmless as a kitten

9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:07pm

Didn't Stalin do this?

10 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:23pm

Fuckers.

11 Adrenalyn  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:26pm

good thing these guys don't have the recipe for Anthrax or some kind of WMD that is small and transportable

12 slotgun  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:43pm

Mr. Ayers must have done some calculus, figuring the number of guns in America vastly exceeded the number of revolutionaries. How about that 2nd Amendment, hey, Billy Boy?

13 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:20:57pm

25,000,000 million people...only 25,000,000 exterminated human beings...but that was when Obama was 8 years old. Nothing to look at here folks, keep moving on.

14 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:21:17pm

The upcoming defense (if they actually give one):

"This was Cincinnati, Ayers was in Chicago! Besides I was 8 at the time."

15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:21:55pm

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

16 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:22:29pm

oops, JCM beat me to it. ;)

17 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:22:56pm

"Those are not the 25,000,000 million people I once knew." -BHO

/

18 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:15pm

re: #13 musicman

25,000,000 million people...only 25,000,000 exterminated human beings...but that was when Obama was 8 years old. Nothing to look at here folks, keep moving on.

According to some people --

"It's not a credible source."
"What does this have to do with Barack Obama?"

I don't know what to say.

19 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:30pm

This country is full of morons that don't believe EVIL
walks among daily!

20 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:32pm

Levin is on this now.

21 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:33pm

And we worry about AQ getting their hands on a suitcase nuke.

22 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:23:59pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

Lenin and Stalin got a jump start on Hitler and managed to kill a few million more people. The little Corporal failed at this too.

23 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:00pm

Liberal mentality, "As long as me and my family weren't in that group."

*SPIT*

24 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:28pm

Thats me they're talking about. And I'm expecting them.

25 jaunte  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:32pm

25 Million, and I'm One.

26 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

Coward Ayers wouldn't have the balls to fight one red blood American male face to face.

He left bombs to kill judges and their families while they slept.. real Tough guy

27 jamsler  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner!

28 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

There are a lot of us alive in the US who swore To Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States.
Duty calls.

29 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:24:44pm

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

30 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:17pm

In all seriousness...we are seeing the dumbing down now. In our education system.

We are seeing the realization of these plans in the lack of control of the borders, in the MSM and their propaganda...the bread and circuses are to be had on a nightly basis...

31 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:35pm

"reeducation": Isn't that what they are doing at the Universities now!?

32 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:38pm

If you're not scared of BHO, you should be scared of who he'll have operating around him in the WH....it's not just Ayers & Co.......
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

33 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:39pm

Wish he'd worn a wire.

34 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:25:52pm

re: #25 jaunte

25 Million, and I'm One.

I'm one too! And my kiddos

35 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:07pm

re: #29 bolivar

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

Ayers reminds me of the Scorpio character from Dirty Harry.

too bad Harry Callahan wasn't the one chasing him in the first place

36 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:37pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d

"reeducation": Isn't that what they are doing at the Universities now!?

Ayers becoming a professor is doing just that.

37 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:26:57pm

This makes dealing with the aggressive behavioral problems of my Italian Mastiff totally worth it, knowing that these people still exist.

He's not afraid of communists. He knows how to bite, and I know how to shoot.

38 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:03pm

re: #33 ljmw

Wish he'd worn a wire.

It was the "wires" that got the Ayers case dismissed.

39 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:17pm

Does Ayers regret this?

40 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:21pm

The question is why has this psychopath Ayers been permitted to join the faculty of University of Illinois?

(I believe the answer has to do with the wealth and power of his father).

41 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:30pm

re: #32 tradewind

It just get weirder and weirder..............

42 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:50pm

re: #37 Wookieelips

All dogs know how to bite.
Seriously, I hope your homeowners' is up to date, and that there are no small children around.

43 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:27:58pm

re: #35 Shug

Ayers reminds me of the Scorpio character from Dirty Harry.

too bad Harry Callahan wasn't the one chasing him in the first place

YEAH - MAKE MY DAY!!

44 beens21  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:28pm

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

45 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:30pm

re: #38 JCM

The audio might come in handy now.

46 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:28:33pm

re: #25 jaunte

25 Million, and I'm One.

By Soviet standards, I'm dead or imprisoned three different ways: religion, education, and political temperament.

47 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:08pm

If Grathwohl had thrown a hand grenade into that room he would have done his country a service, breaking some bad eggs.

48 yochanan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:14pm

re: #21 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And we worry about AQ getting their hands on a suitcase nuke.

the islmo fascists are an added problem but don't worry the leftist will be come muslim after the next major attack on our country as they already support islamist attacks on America and Israel.

49 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:16pm

Linky, linky

snip:


IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Eleven
Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008


McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.

View Results From Prior Days

About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at [Link: www.TIPPonline.com....]

50 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:25pm

PURGE THE MIND-CRIME. PURGE THE PRODUCERS. PURGE THE SELLERS.
PURGE THE WORKERS WHO WON'T BOW DOWN.

/now where is my Che/ Mao purse? I need to go shopping.

51 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:51pm

re: #37 Wookieelips

Mine would show them where all his toys are and expect "PLAYTIME"!
I, on the other hand bite!

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:29:58pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Does Ayers regret this?

Shake magic 8 ball:

"Sources say, not likely...ever. Nope. Sorry. Never. Are you kidding? What?! Ha ha!"
/

53 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:04pm

re: #49 Typicalwhitey

Linky, linky

snip:

I'm worried moreso about individual states, though.

54 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:07pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Does Ayers regret this?

Yes........
That they didn't succeed.

55 haole  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:08pm

I am Joe Capitalist. Bring it.

56 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:12pm

Who's worse?

A deranged scumbag who committed terrorism in the united States

or

the supposedly sane media which finds every reason in the book to minimize his actions so that it can elect his political buddy to the Presidency.

And what the hell is wrong with the American people who don't protest both the media and the terrorist's buddy from the neighborhood?

57 Nuclear Ninja  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:30:20pm

Well respected educator...blah blah blah.

58 oh_dude  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:05pm

If this is true (and I fear that it might be), this elevates my opinion of Ayers from wanna-be terrorist to full-on psychopath.

59 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:24pm

re: #36 musicman

It would be interesting to see what the Ex-Weathermen are doing now, and how many went into Government, Teaching, Community Organizing etc.

There you go Zombie, get busy!

60 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:34pm

re: #39 MandyManners

He regrets that they "didn't do more." That they didn't achieve their goals.

61 jaunte  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:38pm

re: #56 Opinionated

It makes you wonder about the political dynamics of Chicago. Ayers was forgiven without apology, and promoted by many of those he would have killed.

62 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:31:46pm

25 MILLION. 4 times the magnitude of the Holocaust against the Jews. 25 MILLION. Anyone who believes strongly enough in an ideology to slaughter 25 MILLION has a special place in hell reserved for them.

63 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:25pm

PhDs and MDs from leading universities planned and carried out a previous "Final Solution" Can it happen here? Elect Obama, and find out! He did propose a "National Police Force" equal in size and equipment to the US Military. People had better fucking wake up before the shit starts flying!

64 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:27pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I wonder if they got their plans from Adolph Hitler.

These people are sick bastards

Stalin and Mao are their heroes.

65 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:43pm

You can find the transcript to Larry Grathwohls statement here.
There's a lot more.

Grathwohl: I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

66 bolivar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:52pm

re: #49 Typicalwhitey

Linky, linky

snip:

I like the sound of this - now if we can just make it happen. You know it is up to us as the media will fight tooth and nail to pound McCain into the ground. They make me want to puke.

67 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:32:59pm

Where there is Communism, "righteous" Genocide is not far.

The U.S. is about to elect a Socialist to office!

68 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:05pm

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

69 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:09pm

re: #15 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Stalin, actually.

70 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:13pm

I have a dream......
That this piece of excrement would break down on a lonely
highway ............
I say to my wife,"Oh look,someone may need help"
BUUAAAHHH!

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:14pm

"Why do people bring up these distractions?" -BHO

*SPIT*

72 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:35pm

re: #50 FrogMarch

PURGE THE MIND-CRIME. PURGE THE PRODUCERS. PURGE THE SELLERS.
PURGE THE WORKERS WHO WON'T BOW DOWN.

/now where is my Che/ Mao purse? I need to go shopping.

Somewhere I have a Lenin pin with a halo of "commie-red" fire. It looks like Lenin's head is on fire. I was thinking about wearing it for election day if I can fight down the nausea from pinning that thing on me. Might start some interesting conversations.

73 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:43pm

re: #59 WrathofG-d

Some of them were involved with a Brinks robbery here in N.Y. in the early 80s, they killed cops and a security guard.

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:45pm

re: #29 bolivar

Why is this filth still sucking oxygen......oh yeah his rights. How about our rights? This scumbag deserves to rot in prison for all time. Can't we get him on something? There is no statute of limitations on murder and what about conspiracy to murder?

Lawhawk, how about this? Can this guy just get a total walk on his crimes? I know OJ did but, will now pay the price - maybe something can be done to help this guy get the real "block party" he needs - cell block that is.

Bolivar, this country and the rights therein is the reason why we are where we are. The individual right can sometimes outweigh the rights of the many.

Can it be unfair? Sure...but I wouldn't have it another way.

Not that I am defending the guilty parties here. Our rights and the liberality of them are wonderful but they are also our Acchilies heel to the enemy. Which is why we must remain vivilant at all times

Am I afraid of BO winning the election? Sure I am. Do I think that his victory will be the end of our country? Maybe,maybe not.

I rely on the primal urge of the human for freedom. Self dependancy is in bred in us all...to take a religious view, it is a gift from God...either way you look at it...communisum NEVER, EVER works....it goes against the grain...history prooves this out.

There will come a point when the human spirit cries NO MORE. Revolutions were formed on this....our country was founded on this.

This is the faith that I have.

Meanwhile, I will prepare for the worst and pray for the best. Either way...we will survive this.

75 a marine mom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:33:45pm

The point of this video is re-educating us and offing 25 million americans who are too stoo-pid to understand that our way of life is bad.

BFD? You bet it is. The Democrat candidate for President writes nice things about the re-educator Ayers book and the MSM thinks nothing to report on this.

76 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:01pm

And now this human filth is about to put his deciple on the throne. Bad times a coming.

77 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:30pm

re: #65 HelloDare

You can find the transcript to Larry Grathwohls statement here.
There's a lot more.

Grathwohl: I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

Exactly. Echos!

78 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:34:34pm

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

79 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:35:23pm

re: #42 tradewind

All dogs know how to bite.
Seriously, I hope your homeowners' is up to date, and that there are no small children around.

No, all dogs know how to nip. They have to be taught to open wide and bite with their back teeth.
When I said dealing with behavioral problems, I meant just that. We've worked hard to rehabillitate him and continue to keep him socialized. It's worth it, though. He's been protection trained, so I never worry about any idiot trying to mug me or break into my house.
He's very tolerant of children.

80 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:35:44pm

Bill Ayers is one person I think should have a constant wire tap on him. This Annenberg Challenge group is supposed to have Republican beginnnings, but it has to have evolved into some goofy leftist board of directors. I wonder what they have to say about enabling Terrorist Ayers.

81 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:21pm

re: #78 musicman

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

I wonder how this fits into the types of highly racist attacks against Obama supporters that might happen one day in the future, because those supposed/potential attacks are what we should be talking about...not the actual attacks happening today against McCain supporters.

82 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:51pm

re: #48 yochanan

the islmo fascists are an added problem but don't worry the leftist will be come muslim after the next major attack on our country as they already support islamist attacks on America and Israel.

I don't know about that Yoch....it is often those who cry the loudest about the "injustice" of the world that are surprised when they find themselves under the yoke of the "prieviously oppressed"...you know...burkas for thee but not for me.

These "empathizers" are often the first against the wall...or in this case, the first on the soccer field/

83 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:36:53pm

re: #78 musicman

OT
Mugging victim video

Says Gov. Palin spoke to women today. Obama/Biden denounce attack.

I can see the headline now, "McCains 'Ugly Tactics' Provoke Obama Supporter to Lash Out in Self Defense!"

84 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:30pm

re: #44 beens21

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

All of them signed copies, too.

85 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:32pm

re: #40 looking closely

In Ayers's particular case, family connections and prominence in the community may have played a role. But generally speaking, there are 2 reasons why these radicals (cough....cough) are hired.
One is so that college departments can prove to themselves how tolerant they are. Look! We hired someone who wants to blow our brains out!
The other reason is that departments that are almost 100% democratic socialist really do get bored with the uniformity of opinion. They want some sparks. So they hire the Dohrns and Khalidis to perk up the discussion.

/I mean, give them a break. You don't expect them to hire conservatives, do you?

86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:40pm

re: #64 Alouette

Stalin and Mao are their heroes.

You forgot Che!


Don't neglect teh Che!

87 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:37:47pm

re: #56 Opinionated

Let's just hope this is prescient...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

88 Promethea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:09pm

re: #61 jaunte

It makes you wonder about the political dynamics of Chicago. Ayers was forgiven without apology, and promoted by many of those he would have killed.

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

89 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:15pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

They have an issue with anyone achieving anything.

90 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:38pm

25 million people.

That's four and one-sixth Holocausts, or about one and two-thirds of Stalin's purges, more or less.

I suppose they figured it could be done with greater efficiency here than in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

Hello, World Court, the Hague?

Have I got a Crimes Against Humanity case for you!

/like they'd care

cheers

eon

91 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:44pm

re: #59 WrathofG-d

Check out David Horowitz's Discover the Networks. He has a link at Frontpage.

92 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:38:45pm

re: #89 Wookieelips

They have an issue with anyone achieving anything.


Except for themselves, of course....

93 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:05pm

I am 25 million!

94 TallTexan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:05pm

There are lots of over-educated, under-brained people who seem themselves as elite intellectuals who earnestly believe that if they were given a chance to implement their special views that the world would be a paradise. Sadly they tend to boil do to past failed social experiments and control or elimination of groups they feel are not worth. Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

95 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:07pm

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

96 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:38pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

Why, Michelle, of course!

97 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:47pm

re: #84 Soona'

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.

98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:39:51pm

Lenin told them you cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That was their morality then. 150 million dead later, it is their morality now. The fact that Obama has proven ties to radical totalitarian scum (and Wright, Ayers, Farakhan and Davis are scum) ought to be a deal breaker but Bush has damaged the Republican brand that Obama has a real shot. Heaven help us if he is not a Carter but a Chavez.

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

99 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:13pm

Just a citizen concerned about social justice and over population./

100 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:43pm

re: #92 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Except for themselves, of course....

I'm pretty sure if they achieved their precious socialist system they'd turn on their first friend to make $1 more than they do.

101 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:43pm

re: #97 tradewind

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.


I believe it too....eventhough I have no degree in literature....I do have a brain though.

Which is why I'm a conservative.

102 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:50pm

Like I said on Ace this morning:

If I'm already marked for death by my government, I may figure I'd prefer to be hung for a sheep rather than a lamb, and decide to have a little "fun" first.

103 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:40:51pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

Oh come on.

104 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:13pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

I am 25 million!

I know I would have possibly been one of the 25,000,000.

105 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:20pm

but but but Joe the Plumber owes $ 1,200 in back taxes

/ media

106 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:41:42pm

re: #94 TallTexan

Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

OT - Your nic is "talltexan" and you make a reference to "magicians" and "smart audiences." Are you Walter? If you are you know what I am referencing. If not, please ignore.

107 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:03pm

re: #100 Wookieelips

I'm pretty sure if they achieved their precious socialist system they'd turn on their first friend to make $1 more than they do.


Absolutely...it's like a pissing contest...which is why communism will never work....they forget to consider human nature in the equation.

The Dumb asses.

108 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:14pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

Individual will. God.

109 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:25pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"?

KOS-hmer Rouge.

110 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:42:46pm

re: #105 Shug

but but but Joe the Plumber owes $ 1,200 in back taxes

/ media

Doesn't that actually BOLSTER the argument to LOWER taxes. He can't even afford the current system! They want to give us MORE!?

111 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:08pm

People have to stop treating Ayers like a reformed juvenile delinquent.

I sent a link to this story to about 8 talk show hosts a couple days ago. Just sent it again to Drudge.

112 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:20pm

re: #88 Promethea

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

Party (or Ideology) before Country.

113 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:28pm

I envision 25 million Joe the Plumbers doing a monkey wrench beat down on these communist assholes if they ever try it.

114 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:47pm

re: #109 Jimash

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Kymer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

115 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:43:56pm

re: #111 HelloDare

People have to stop treating Ayers like a reformed juvenile delinquent.

I sent a link to this story to about 8 talk show hosts a couple days ago. Just sent it again to Drudge.

But Tookie Williams wrote childrens books!
/
*spit*

116 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:14pm

re: #86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You forgot Che!


Don't neglect teh DouChe!

Fixed that for ya'

117 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:37pm

re: #107 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Absolutely...it's like a pissing contest...which is why communism will never work....they forget to consider human nature in the equation.

The Dumb asses.


They forget that the constitution says all men are created equal, not "all men are or should be equal".
Equal treatment under the law does not guarantee equal wealth or success. Or looks. Or health. Or intelligence. Or sanity....

118 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:41pm

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.

119 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:48pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

He was only 8 years old. Not even.
The question was, who will be the goon squad for the new left.

120 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #115 Oh no...Sand People!

But Tookie Williams wrote childrens books!
/
*spit*


and someday he and Ayers can sit down and discuss them together

121 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:44:59pm

re: #94 TallTexan

There are lots of over-educated, under-brained people who seem themselves as elite intellectuals who earnestly believe that if they were given a chance to implement their special views that the world would be a paradise. Sadly they tend to boil do to past failed social experiments and control or elimination of groups they feel are not worth. Magicians often prefer working 'smart audiences' as they are easier to misdirect and are gullible.

There is a restaurant in Branson that has a round table that rises extremely slowing over a 30-40 minute period. To a point where you your meal is table is just about 4 inches lower than your chin A group of mechanical engineers were sitting at the table and during their meal it rose and lowered two times. Funniest thing I have ever saw

122 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:09pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Lenin told them you cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That was their morality then. 150 million dead later, it is their morality now. The fact that Obama has proven ties to radical totalitarian scum (and Wright, Ayers, Farakhan and Davis are scum) ought to be a deal breaker but Bush has damaged the Republican brand that Obama has a real shot. Heaven help us if he is not a Carter but a Chavez.

And here is his loophole for getting around the Constitutional ban against a third term: sign a treaty with China or some nation that mandates the change into law. Under Supreme Court doctrine, a signed Treaty takes precedence over US law! Now are you scared?

Huh?

123 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Kymer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

No but he wil be the first to bitch and moan when he see that he won't get an equal piece of the pie....another one who will end up on the soccer field.

124 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:24pm

re: #98 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
The thing about omlettes is, they are never good for the eggs.

125 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:45:53pm

From Ann Coulters site.

Left-wing radicals swarm to free foundation money, where they can give gigantic grants to one another and they will never have to do a day's work. That's exactly what Obama and Ayers did with Annenberg's money.

None of the Annenberg money went to schoolchildren. It went to Ayers' left-wing crank friends to write moronic papers that we hope no one ever reads.

126 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:26pm

re: #114 WrathofG-d

KOS, although a useful idiot, who is often found defending the Democrat party, had nothing to do with Khmer Rouge, or the Weather Underground.

He's just a nerdy Ché Guevara wannabe.

With "skillsets" only two or three other people have" (his words). ::snork::

127 Wookieelips  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:34pm

re: #118 maddogg

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.

Well, leftists in positions of power could very well lead to the need to fear Islamic uh...."ultra conservatives", heh.
;-P

128 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:42pm

re: #117 Wookieelips

They forget that the constitution says all men are created equal, not "all men are or should be equal".
Equal treatment under the law does not guarantee equal wealth or success. Or looks. Or health. Or intelligence. Or sanity....


Well the ACLU would disagree...as would BO
at least to your face.

watch out for that rather sharp blade in your back...it'll leave a mark!

129 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:44pm

re: #97 tradewind

It's so much worse... some literary authorities believe that Ayers actually ghost-wrote BHO's best seller, Dreams From My Father.

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

130 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:46:53pm

Earlier this week some Lizards were upset when I suggested that the opposition would do the "showers and ovens" thing.

The fact of the matter is that for totalitarians mass slavery and mass murder is their normal behavior. As far as they are actually concerned ordinary human being like us have no rights, including the Right to Life, whatsoever. As far as they are truly concerned we are no better than livestock on their communist farm, either something to be used for their ends or diseased animals to be destroyed.

Totalitarians are nothing less than ENEMIES OF HUMAN KIND.

131 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:11pm

re: #88 Promethea

As a Chicagoan, I'm extremely surprised that Mayor Daley is supporting this creep and supporting Obama. Mayor Daley may be a boss, but I never thought he was an anti-American loon.

What happened?

Mayor Daley thinks the crocodiles will eat him last.

132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:44pm

re: #118 maddogg

Like I've said about 50 times on this forum, I don't fear Islamic cavemen, I fear leftists in positions of power.


Me too....semi jacketed hollow points handle the Islamic caveman problem pretty efficiently.

133 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:47:56pm

re: #121 musicman

There is a restaurant in Branson that has a round table that rises extremely slowing over a 30-40 minute period. To a point where you your meal is table is just about 4 inches lower than your chin A group of mechanical engineers were sitting at the table and during their meal it rose and lowered two times. Funniest thing I have ever saw

You cannot rush the meals of Engineers. It's the best place to do all those napkin sketches we use for creating the next generation of technology.

/You think I'm kidding, don't you?

134 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #119 Jimash

He was only 8 years old. Not even.
The question was, who will be the goon squad for the new left.

Why don't you ask Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and my Man, the Reverend Al that question? I am sure that they will lead those eager to serve as sonderkommando.

135 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:24pm

re: #110 Oh no...Sand People!

Doesn't that actually BOLSTER the argument to LOWER taxes. He can't even afford the current system! They want to give us MORE!?

Someone brought this up at work today. One person said, "Wasn't there really not a real Joe the Plumber?" and another replied, "There is, and he's so against taxes he owes back taxes."
I replied, "My dad owned a plumbing business, and he couldn't usually afford to all of his taxes either."
It isn't for love of cheating or hate of government, I can promise you that much.

136 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:27pm

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

137 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:41pm

I personally don't care about politics... but I don't have that luxury to ignore it since everything these idiots pass affects me and my family personally.

138 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:49:41pm

This was posted here last week, maybe you should watch it again, it is on topic for this subject.Your text to link...

139 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:50:35pm

re: #85 wolfie


/I mean, give them a break. You don't expect them to hire conservatives, do you?


No. . .although if they truly valued "diversity" they would.
But I don't expect them to hire murderers and psychopaths then give them tenured academic positions. . .particularly one who has written prominently about wanting to indoctrinate people into Communism.
You know, nowadays many colleges do criminal background checks on incoming STUDENTS.
Its possible Ayers couldn't even be admitted as as student at the very University where he holds tenure.
U Illinois should be absolutely ashamed of itself.

140 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:50:45pm

Sorry, I have not posted a link in a while, so I did not name it properly.

141 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:13pm

re: #68 Teacake!

So basically if I understand this correctly, socialists hate capitalists because they have and are motivated by money and power, yet they as well are motivated by money and power... I'm confused what socialists have an issue with.

They assume that if they start first with a "free society" and make everybody equal, then all the individuals will be free. People are forced to be free or else.

America has traditionally begun by freeing the individuals first to do and achieve pretty much whatever they want. In this society, if you aren't experiencing freedom it is your own fault. Almost anything you wish to do you can find the means to make it happen or someone to fund it—if you are willing to do the hard work of finding out how to make it happen.

142 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:14pm

Puma notes;

Don’t forget, Pumas. The Obama campaign really DID steal the caucuses. They really, really did suppress, intimidate, and flat-out CHEAT their way to “victory.” It’s much more difficult to pull off this sort of crap in a federal election. But they’ll do WHATEVER they can to try. Giving $195 MILLION dollars to the mainstream media helps quite a bit too, of course. Jennifer Brunner in Ohio is helping too. Looks like Ed Rendell is a pretty good guy — there is NO intimation of any funny business in Pennsylvania (other than the ACORN shenanigans in Philadelphia, which isn’t coming from the governor).


Donate to your local PUMA pac if you haven't already.

143 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:23pm

re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

Not really, grind and process the bodies into fertilizer for the collective farms.

144 AW  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:49pm

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

145 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:51:59pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility.

And American Thinker, a great website, is not helping with headlines like, and I paraphrase, More Evidence That Ayers Wrote Obama's Book. I forget the exact title, but they used the word evidence. Nonsense. There is no evidence that Ayers wrote it.

146 musicman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:52:00pm

OT
I love this women!
[Link: hotair.com...]

147 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:52:51pm

re: #119 Jimash

I don't see Kos going around and killing millions of people, but then again I don't know the guy. But it wasn't/isn't right to draw him into the actual murder or planned murder of millions of people.

Would he play a part if we had a redo? Possibly, but who knows.

148 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:17pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts? Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Who wants this first? Any takers? Or should I go ahead?

149 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."


That may be, but as an avid reader, one can spot consistencies in the work of an author...the body of the work, that is.

We all have habits and we all write a certain way...it's like handwriting... you can try to disguise it, or even forge it, but there are consistent patterns that cannot be overcome, because they are unconscious...the same applies to writing.

You can tell Hemingway by his writing, just as you can tell Patricia Cornwell, or Jane Austin or Twain....

Themes, symbolism, syntax..all carry over from work to work...

That's what I have observed.

I'm not saying I believe Cashill...but he does make a good argument for his hypothesis.

150 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:38pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

All yours.

151 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:40pm

It's a small step from hate to murder. A frighteningly small step.

152 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:49pm

re: #135 nikis-knight

Someone brought this up at work today. One person said, "Wasn't there really not a real Joe the Plumber?" and another replied, "There is, and he's so against taxes he owes back taxes."
I replied, "My dad owned a plumbing business, and he couldn't usually afford to all of his taxes either."
It isn't for love of cheating or hate of government, I can promise you that much.

I still owe a few hundred from last year's taxes, which is why I haven't gotten a "economic stimulus" check yet - I asked the IRS if they could apply it to what I owe, but no, it doesn't work that way...

I'm in the real estate business, so you can imagine how tight money has been the last couple of years.

153 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:53:58pm

re: #126 Spiny Norman

funny.

My point was not to defend KOS for his own bad behavior, and stupid remarks, but to defend him from FALSE slander.

As bad as he is/might be, he isn't killing millions of people.

154 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:00pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

Clobber 'im, Walter.

155 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:09pm

re: #143 maddogg

Not really, grind and process the bodies into fertilizer for the collective farms.

Soyent Green?

156 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:09pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

GAZE

157 willowone  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:11pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

i have the duct tape.

158 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:11pm

The whole point of the "march through the institutions" is to eliminante the need for such tacky things as gulags. It is true that many leftists have a fascination w/ violence, an almost erotic attraction to the Ches and Bin Ladens and Dohrns. But they themselves do not want to kill.

The modern left is NICE...........and it will preserve the veneer (but not the substance) of constitutional forms.

The NICE left, just like the Weathermen, doesn't quite know what the New Age will look like........or what they will do when it is achieved. You will notice that they can only tell you what they DON'T like and therefore what must be destroyed.

The left is parisitical and purely destructive.

159 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:14pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

Once again, Charles, I commend you for stepping so decisively on the nut elements in our own camp.
This is especially important now that the birth certificate conspiraloons have now gone from demented to depraved, posting what they claim are nude photos of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham.
Disgusting as it is, I can't help but think that it would be pretty funny if Ann turned out to be underage when these were taken, and these idiots get arrested for posting them.

160 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:21pm

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

161 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:27pm

re: #130 The Other Les

Earlier this week some Lizards were upset when I suggested that the opposition would do the "showers and ovens" thing.

The fact of the matter is that for totalitarians mass slavery and mass murder is their normal behavior. As far as they are actually concerned ordinary human being like us have no rights, including the Right to Life, whatsoever. As far as they are truly concerned we are no better than livestock on their communist farm, either something to be used for their ends or diseased animals to be destroyed.

Totalitarians are nothing less than ENEMIES OF HUMAN KIND.

Frankly, I'm more worried that they will, in the near term, just make us a lot more like Europe. While I might enjoy the 35 hour work weeks, provided that I even had a job, and the 6 weeks paid vacation right from the start of my employment, I would not appreciate handing over most of my paycheck every payday, having to wait weeks for a Doctor's appointment, and having to put up with a bureaucracy that wasn't merely incompetent, but malicious.

162 fish  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:40pm

re: #126 Spiny Norman

He's just a nerdy Ché Guevara wannabe.

With "skillsets" only two or three other people have" (his words). ::snork::

What Skill? The ability to type with your head up you rear?

163 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:54:52pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

This is a professor of education. Whether Obama wins or not, the infiltration of social institutions be people dedicated to the destruction of our way of life (um, and us as well) is rather on point for the very purpose of this blog.

So, uh, go piss up a rope.

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:55:34pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts? Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Fuck off. If you don't like what you are reading, then don't comment. This ain't your blog. If you don't like the material, go start your own. Blogspot or Wordpress, look it up asshole.

165 maddogg  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:55:36pm

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

166 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:18pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Effective, and to the point. Thank you!

167 willowone  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:19pm

Phillip Berg is a Philadelphia attorney, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania and Hillary Clinton for President supporter. He is a former gubernatorial and senate candidate, as well as a former Deputy Attorney General

168 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:27pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation? I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Careful, you almost mentioned "the story that cannot be named."

169 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:36pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

Ugh, so that's what it is. Can't believe how tiny it is, compared to my husband's.

170 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:37pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Troofer extraordinaire.

Yes, "9/11 was an inside job" and all that.

171 gymnast  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:46pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Have you considered your options for self gratification? Do it now!

172 Celtic Templar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:50pm

re: #113 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I hope, but the Stalinist strategy is the worst form of terror. It starts with property appropriation and a clamp down on free speech. This will happen. Then they threaten your family. They will go for the weakest link, your children. Your children will be reeducated. And you will either assimilate, be forced to assimilate, or isolated (ala gulag archipelago). Will it look like the soviet union? Probably not, probably masked by taxes, social services, fairness legislation. But it will be the same.

OT: Anyone voting in NJ know about the public questions on the ballot? I don't have background, so any help would be appreciated (even to point me to how they got on the ballot).

Thanks,

-CT

173 norar  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:56:55pm

Well, Ayers and Co were Communists, so it's not that surprising that they were following in the steps of Lenin and Stalin. The concentration camps for 're-education' were created by Lenin's government. Their long forgotten (unlike Gulag's) victims were these pesky liberal professors and other liberals of the time, i.e. republicans, democrates and 'social revolutionaries', that did not entirely agree with the Communists, and thus were made to work for the good of bright future.

Pitty really that all these donors to Obamas hope of building Communist America by subversion campaign never heared of Solovetzky Monastery.

174 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:03pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.


I would respond but that would be spun as being 'RACIST!"

/mental contortions...gotta love em.

175 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:11pm

re: #95 gymnast

And who will be Obamas "Kymer Rouge"? Who will feel the soft hands of the capitalists and decide to beat them to death with hoes? Who will be the gatekeepers for the end of civilization? Wright?, Ayers? Obama? The Troika of the death of civilization? We will see, we will see.

From The Anarchist's Cookbook, by William Powell (Lyle Stuart, 1971):

When discussing any type of weapon, the most important factor is not the acquisition of that weapon, but rather its application. An example of this is present everyday in any slum neighborhood. The gangs of young kids that run around with their makeshift weapons could be one of the most potentially dangerous forces in America, if they only learned how to make full use of the weapons available to them. Every great political leader and powerful tyrant has realized the wealth of energy, courage, and blind cruelty in the age group between 12 and 16 years old. These kids aren't scared, they have no concept of death, they love excitement, and with training could make the best commandos. Hitler used the young people of Germany in "Hitler Youth", a young terrorist organization that was probably one of the most effective the world has ever seen. Mao also employs 13- and 14- year-olds in his Red Gurad, because they have not yet developed a conscience for their actions. The development of this age group has begun in the United States with political involvement on a high school and junior high school level, but, at the same time, the energy present must not be drowned in dogma. It must be channeled through education into specialized fields, which will be necessary for the great change in store for them.

Ayers wasn't the only one thinking in these terms, and talking about it, as you see here.

/don't smack me, I don't write 'em, I just report 'em

cheers

eon

176 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:20pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.


Don't hope for someone to claim it....it's a very, very small penis.

177 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:38pm

re: #139 looking closely

U Illinois should be ashamed.
So should the tax-payers of Illinois.

178 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:42pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

AW
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 11:10 am
No. of comments posted: 1,144
No. of links posted: 1

Go piss up a rope.

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:49pm
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Evidence that the GOP Plans to Steal the Election
Police departments across the country are 'beefing up their ranks' in anticipation of violence, civil unrest or peaceful protests on election day. Police merely 'gearing up' for unrest is one thing. But a combat brigade has been withdrawn from Iraq for the stated objective of dealing with 'civil unrest'. That's something else! It's against the law.

Clearly --the police powers of established 'government' anticipate that the GOP will steal another election. Cops and troops probably know what we are left to fear: another GOP attack on the Constitution, Democracy and legitimate government.

[...]

Certainly --the peaceful resolution of the disputed 'election' of 2000 was subverted by a gang of GOP 'brownshirts' who rioted and attacked vote re-counters in Florida. The act violated US criminal codes. It was, in fact, an act of 'seditious treason' under US law. No one was arrested. No one was prosecuted. The fix was in.

The peace was broken with that act and the Bush government merely confirmed its illegitimacy with its every blatant and arrogant violation of the Constitution and US Federal statutes and its overt determination to rule by decree. If it was difficult to believe at the time that the GOP was stealing the government, that fact was made clear in retrospect with Bush's every decree, his every blatant, overt disregard for the very principle of the ''rule of law".

I will be surprised if the GOP allows a peaceful transition to a Democratic regime. I hope I am proven wrong. Having gone to so much trouble to trash the Constitution --a 'goddamned piece of paper' --Bush, in cahoots with the endemically crooked and treasonous GOP, are sure to attempt another coup d'etat! The idiot --Sarah Palin --does not reassure one when she calls for 'divine intervention' to reverse the GOPs recent precipitous decline into oblivion.

These people always have the justification. Let's make sure they never have the means.

180 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:52pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

Did AW post his account details on BugMeNot?

181 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:57:56pm

re: #147 WrathofG-d

Himmler looked like a bookkeeper. Yet, how many people was he responsible for killing?

182 Cicero05  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:00pm

Leftists and big body counts -- they just go together.

183 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:32pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.

Yes. It's a penis. A lot of people are loosing wieght and getting healthy. We find a lot of penises her lately.

This has been a public service announcement from the American Medical Society.

184 RTLM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:48pm

Without fail every Obama supporter I've come across is either hateful toward the US or completely misinformed. Usually large portions of both.

NOPE

185 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:51pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut.

ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

186 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:52pm

Notice how we never see Howard Dean?

187 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:58:57pm

Charles, Confederate Yankee, et al -

I'm glad the inventory of these things are being cataloged on LGF... kind of like the Euro supremacist info last year. This stuff is even worse than I knew about (or ever bothered to look into). All hail, once again, to our law enforcement and military types who managed to break up these type things, when the Euros let them go. And now thank you LANL for the internet, which may actually have shown up in the nick of time to shine the light into the dark corners (or maybe not, we'll find out over the next decade or so).

But that said, you do realize that even reasonable people who have chewed up and swallowed the dinosaur media's marketing materials for Obama and the Dems cannot be swayed by any, ANY information. They are sick at this point and it will take time for them to detox, if they ever do. It's really unbelievable to me what the Dem party has done.

188 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:13pm

re: #143 maddogg

Ah, yes. Thanks. Problem solved.

189 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:35pm

re: #162 fish

What Skill? The ability to type with your head up you rear?

He said it on C-Span. I think he was referring to his unequaled skills as internet webmaster/designer and political kingmaker, or something equally pretentious.

190 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:46pm

re: #181 FamHistoryGuy

Himmler looked like a bookkeeper. Yet, how many people was he responsible for killing?

Yeppers...I dated this harmless looking guy for a while...till I found out his dad was mobbed up and he was in daddy's crew.

191 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 3:59:50pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Careful, you almost mentioned "the story that cannot be named."

Rush brought the dude up IIRC. I was like..."Come on Rush..you know better."

192 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:11pm

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

193 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:46pm

re: #185 Charles

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut. ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

Charles, you parse out tags and the such. Can you just parse posts with certain names and keywords and ignore them before they get put away in the database?

194 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:00:59pm

re: #192 BBEV

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

The sun will be shining at noon day and they will deny it's light.

195 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:00pm

re: #192 BBEV

I sent Zombie's link to 2 of my moonbat brothers al the other links I have sent them they wrote back as propaganda but there is no way they can say this is, It is Fact!

Propaganda? So quoting people in context is propaganda now?

196 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:03pm

re: #191 Oh no...Sand People!

Rush did say he did not really believe it, but did not really know.

197 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #181 FamHistoryGuy

When KOS actually murders someone, or specifically causes the murder of someone (negligently or maliciously) then I will call him a Murderer.

Until then, I will not allow my dislike of his political stance to cause me to lose all sense of decency, and cause me to compare him to the Kymar Rouge, or Ayers & Co. who wished to overthrown the U.S. and murder 25 million people.

198 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:13pm

The One says the first 95% of the 25 million would only be killed in proportion to their ability to pay.

199 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:32pm

re: #145 HelloDare

American Thinker makes WorldNetDaily look positively journalistic.

200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:01:47pm

re: #185 Charles

Phillip Berg is a flat-out kook. A 9/11 Truther and conspiracy nut.

ARGG! I've been trying to tell people all day to stop taking this story at face value.

I think it's funny that some of the donations to BO's campaign are in his name....what is it, some troofer homage?

201 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:00pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.

As someone who served in Vietnam, I don't think Bill Ayers is irrelevant at all. He and the other radical associates of Obama are VERY relevant to this election, perhaps more relevant than any other issue.

Personally, I find you to be pathetic and irrelevant.

203 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:34pm

Obama hangs with fascist. What a surprise.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:46pm

re: #197 WrathofG-d

When KOS actually murders someone, or specifically causes the murder of someone (negligently or maliciously) then I will call him a Murderer.

Until then, I will not allow my dislike of his political stance to cause me to lose all sense of decency, and cause me to compare him to the Kymar Rouge, or Ayers & Co. who wished to overthrown the U.S. and murder 25 million people.


KOS is a rube, a useful idiot...he will be eliminated when his usefulness wears off.

205 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:02:59pm

re: #195 nikis-knight

Propaganda? So quoting people in context is propaganda now?

I think I said that wrong, Zombie's link is fact, there is a book and there it is for them to see

206 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:06pm

re: #198 jcbunga

The One says the first 95% of the 25 million would only be killed in proportion to their ability to pay.


ROFL

207 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:11pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor [That Ayers ghostwrote Obama's book], Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."


The second part, I agree with. He's no authority.

But as to the first part. . .I don't know. The story is plausible.

Obama really has written absolutely NOTHING in his entire career prior to publishing a hit autobiography, where he originally defaulted on his literary advance, and he's written nothing of consequence OTHER than these memoirs. I've done enough writing and seen enough to know that people who don't write an awful lot tend to be pretty lousy at it.

This doesn't mean that Ayers actually wrote the book. But it is possible he (or someone else) helped Obama polish it? Absolutely. Is Ayers a plausible candidate? I think so.

I also think this is a testable hypothesis. Remember how a few years back the Clinton politcal satire "Primary Colors" was published anonymously, but computer software was ultimately used to match the book to its actual author?

I bet this sort of thing could be done with Obama's book(s) and some of Ayers contemporary books to generate a likelihood of authorship.

208 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:27pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

To whomever wrote that article:
Man, lay off the 'shooms and KoolAid™. It's freaking you out.

209 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:27pm

re: #149 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

210 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:33pm

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

The sun will be shining at noon day and they will deny it's light.

Ya that has been they way it's been with them

211 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:03:44pm

re: #196 Tarkus289

Rush did say he did not really believe it, but did not really know.

True, but it still had the, 'I'll just mention it...just in case of the '1% hope that it is true' aspect...then I can claim I was right.' But with the whole, 'Not sure it's true' he can now effectively play both sides of the argument.

I just don't like the tactic. Understand it. Just don't like it.

212 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:02pm

re: #199 jwpaine

American Thinker makes WorldNetDaily look positively journalistic.

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

213 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:03pm

re: #4 JCM

You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

You must purge with fire and blood.

Yeah, I always comforted myself by saying these proclamations were absurd and the product of jacked up Europeans and mixed up Eurasians. Now it's on our American horizon. I'm concerned. I'm very concerned.

214 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:04pm

Eichmann did it. Pol Pot did it. Now, the American electorate would embrace the man who would condone such things, even indirectly.
What the hell is wrong with people?

215 pat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:19pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

Ramsey Clarke on steroids.

216 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:40pm

re: #207 looking closely

The second part, I agree with. He's no authority.

But as to the first part. . .I don't know. The story is plausible.

Obama really has written absolutely NOTHING in his entire career prior to publishing a hit autobiography, where he originally defaulted on his literary advance, and he's written nothing of consequence OTHER than these memoirs. I've done enough writing and seen enough to know that people who don't write an awful lot tend to be pretty lousy at it.

This doesn't mean that Ayers actually wrote the book. But it is possible he (or someone else) helped Obama polish it? Absolutely. Is Ayers a plausible candidate? I think so.

I also think this is a testable hypothesis. Remember how a few years back the Clinton politcal satire "Primary Colors" was published anonymously, but computer software was ultimately used to match the book to its actual author?

I bet this sort of thing could be done with Obama's book(s) and some of Ayers contemporary books to generate a likelihood of authorship.


See also my post at 129....


Like I said, interesting hyphothesis.....

217 majic1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:04:53pm

THIS is why we have a Second Amendment.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:08pm

Honestly, the only part of me that hopes O'bama wins is the part of me that wants him to have to deal with Troofers for four years.

They got all kinds of stuff to be trippin on him. They're gonna turn on him during his inauguration speech.

(did I just say his inauguration?) (shudder...)

219 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:16pm

re: #165 maddogg

Did somebody lose a penis? Theres one in aisle 144.


magnifying glass----check

yep, I see it now

220 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:22pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

Now you've done. I'm craving a Snickers.

221 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:37pm

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

222 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:05:37pm

re: #202 Charles

Screw Loose Change: Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme.

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

223 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:05pm

re: #220 CyanSnowHawk

done it.

PIMF.
/I hate it when a typo kills a snark.

224 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:07pm

re: #222 kawfytawk

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

Did someone mention Jack Thompson?

/sorry couldn't resist.

225 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:40pm

re: #160 Shug

Who is Phillip Berg guy on the savage nation?

I know he's peddling the forbidden story but it's an interesting interview.

Two morons exchanging pleasantries, I'd guess.

226 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:47pm

re: #211 Oh no...Sand People!

True, but it still had the, 'I'll just mention it...just in case of the '1% hope that it is true' aspect...then I can claim I was right.' But with the whole, 'Not sure it's true' he can now effectively play both sides of the argument.

I just don't like the tactic. Understand it. Just don't like it.

Howard Dean said, 4 or so yearrs ago, something to the effect that GWB knowing about 9/11 in advance was and interesting theory. He didn't say it was true, but it was interesting.

Just as wrong here, though of course the charges are much less serious. Innuendos are not a valid form of persuasion, no matter the stakes.

227 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:06:58pm

re: #202 Charles


thanks charles.


wow.

sybil had multiple personalities. this guy has multiple conspiracies.

228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:00pm

re: #209 ljmw

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

As I said in comment 129..it's an interesting hyphothesis, and it shoudn't be discounted because of the person presenting the argument...

229 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:02pm

I once did the math to determine the average daily bodycount racked up by all Marxists since November of 1917. At the time I did the math it worked out to a bit over 3000 lives a day.

In contrast the administration of General Pinochet in Chile is blamed for (or credited with) the deaths of a bit under 3000 Marxists. The Chilean Marxists themselves estimated that they would have to kill somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Chileans to achieve their version of a Worker's Paradise.

Which works out to 166 to 333 Human lives saved for every Marxist killed by the Pinochet Administration.

No. I'm not suggesting anything here...

230 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:03pm

OT: We voted to require id at the polls. So, here's what it says now:


VOTER IDENTIFICATION
When you present yourself at your polling place
for early voting or voting on Election Day, you are
required to give one of the following forms of voter
identification:
•Averbal or written statement by the voter of the
voter’s name, year of birth, and registered
address; or
• aphysical form of identification including, but
not limited to, a valid photo ID (with or without
address) or an original or copy of a utility bill,
government check, a paycheck, or a student or
tribal ID that shows your name and address. The
address is not required to match the voter’s
certificate of registration.
231 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:08pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

I don't think re-education camps have 401K's. I might be wrong.

232 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:23pm

re: #208 David IV of Georgia

To whomever wrote that article:
Man, lay off the 'shooms and KoolAid™. It's freaking you out.

Check the comments for confirmation of your analysis.

233 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:31pm

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

Why does Jack Cashill lack credibility?

234 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:07:53pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?

235 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:02pm

But the f-ing Obamedia got much more important things to talk about, like how much Sarah Palin paid for makeup. May they go bancrupt soon!

236 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:17pm

re: #213 Russkilitlover

You must purge with fire and blood.

Yeah, I always comforted myself by saying these proclamations were absurd and the product of jacked up Europeans and mixed up Eurasians. Now it's on our American horizon. I'm concerned. I'm very concerned.

I'm concerned also, but don't think it's very likely to go to far.

The One if he wins will have less than 50% of the vote. He and a (D) will seriously over reach and the '10 midterms will make the Gingrich revolution look mild. The most serious long term effects will be how soon the aging libs on SOCTUS retire and get replaced.

237 Summer  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:28pm
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

Kind of what it must be like to sit in a classroom today with 25 people, all of whom are getting graduate degrees at Columbia or other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out how wonderful Islam is for women, gays, Jews, Christians, and other "tolerated" people, while they ignore the 2.5 billion people or more that Islam killed along the way to get to where it is today.

Kind of like that.

238 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:48pm

re: #234 BBEV

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?

Maybe, but I think this is all a manipulation get Obama elected. Just my suspicion.

239 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:08:56pm

re: #234 BBEV

I've thought that before - good point! The market's already pricing in the lowered profits due to increased taxation...

240 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:01pm

re: #230 Sunlight

If that wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. So Sunlight is that your real name? It is? You swear? Ok here are 10 ballots, just fill out one ok?

~

241 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:12pm

re: #221 kansas

Like the guy I heard on a local talk show today "My 401 K is down 33 per cent. What should I care about Bill Ayers?" Well, you ever think that might be to distract you from making the right decision on Nov 4th and voting for a communist?


Unless my family is literally starving, I cannot comprehend putting my money ahead of my country priority wise. (And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

242 vxbush  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:09:47pm

re: #240 WrathofG-d

If that wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. So Sunlight is that your real name? It is? You swear? Ok here are 10 ballots, just fill out one ok?

~

Sunlight, can you tell us which state that is?

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:18pm

re: #241 nikis-knight

(And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

I'm kinda hungry.

244 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #144 AW

If you are talking about the Ayers thing as a campaign issue, I agree that it is not going anywhere. And no, despite the fact that Obama has associated and worked with a few persons allied with the violent left (e.g. Weatherman, Hamas, PLO), I do not think Obama is about to usher in an era of violent totalitarianism.

But as something for general discussion, I think the "Ayers thing" is very worthwhile. The mainstream of the American left tolerates, often condones, violent extremists of the left. That is the point that needs to be addressed.
(The mainstream of the American left, incidentally, considers Sarah Palin and Robert Bork to be intolerable.)

245 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:26pm

I was at a very nice dinner party last night - lots of great food, fine wine, and good company. No one wanted to talk politics or the economy, or anything other than movies, art, and lovely vacations. I was SHARPLY reminded, about 1/3 of the way through dinner, of the scene in Dr. Zhivago when Lara walks into the elegant party and shoots her rapist/lover.

246 Charles  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:28pm

re: #233 kansas

Why does Jack Cashill lack credibility?

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.

247 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:31pm

re: #209 ljmw

."

True Cashill is not a literary but he claims he has two university based literary authorities working on it as we speak.

Furthermore I think the credibility reviews of Cashill are mixed. Certainly he has addressed some nutter issues and is a proponent of Intelligent Design (which seems to be some kind of litmus test here) but he does have credentials as a journalist.

Dan Rather has (or had) "credentials as a journalist".

So, for that matter, did Lincoln Steffens.

Neither one of them was exactly reliable, either.

As for me, ID belief, like "Troofer-ism", is an immediate signal that the individual in question may not be the most reliable witness around- sort of like my opinion of "UFO Abduction Investigators" who use hypnotic regression to "recover hidden memories" from "abductees". (See The Abduction Enigma by Kevin D. Randle, Russ Estes, and William P. Cone, Ph.D.)

People lacking in the ability to evaluate data critically make poor advocates for any "position".

/just MO

cheers

eon

248 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:36pm

Bill Ayers / The Weather Underground

Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."

~WOW, so "radical"....nothing to see here....move on, dig it!~

249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:46pm

Your text to link...re: #234 BBEV

Could it be down 33% because of the possibility the Obama could be the next president?


And it will move into really sucish territory if this happens:

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/ 58.php

250 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:49pm

re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them.


/ahem

Soylent Green!

251 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:54pm

The willingness to murder 25 million people is chilling, but frankly not surprising given the low value communists place on human life.

What is revealing however is the fact that the Weathermen gave no thought whatsoever to the practical issues of policy or governance. They were concerned only with power. What current Presidential campaign does that remind you of?

252 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:10:59pm

re: #241 nikis-knight

Unless my family is literally starving, I cannot comprehend putting my money ahead of my country priority wise. (And pretty much no one in America is literally starving.)

I agree totally. I think the guy was a total tool, but then he and all the ACORN registrees get to vote as much as they want.

253 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:23pm

re: #144 AW

Is there anyone here who realizes how pathetic and irrelevant this whole Ayers business is? Are thinking people still reading this blog, or has it been completely taken over by Republican wingnuts?

Please leave a comment if you're out there.


I think its relevant if the future President of the United States has a history of working with and hanging out with anti-American radical Communist terrorists, yes.

I'm silly that way.

Meanwhile, there are major gaps in Obama's CV, his story with respect to Ayers is full of holes, and there are many unanswered questions with respect to that relationship. Either Ayers or Obama could put an end to this at any time, merely by answering a few questions. . .if Obama's story were actually true.

254 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:39pm

re: #244 wolfie

If you are talking about the Ayers thing as a campaign issue, I agree that it is not going anywhere. And no, despite the fact that Obama has associated and worked with a few persons allied with the violent left (e.g. Weatherman, Hamas, PLO), I do not think Obama is about to usher in an era of violent totalitarianism.

But as something for general discussion, I think the "Ayers thing" is very worthwhile. The mainstream of the American left tolerates, often condones, violent extremists of the left. That is the point that needs to be addressed.
(The mainstream of the American left, incidentally, considers Sarah Palin and Robert Bork to be intolerable.)

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

255 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:46pm

re: #221 kansas

I saw one of the most conservative people I know straightening out his Obama sign in the front yard. I had to drive by again to make sure my eyes were not deceiving me. I know the guy and his wife have a lot of money tied up in 401 Ks and IRAs.

Fortunately I don't or I might be thinking of making a protest vote myself. I intend to do that with my representatives who should have been riding through the streets screaming "a bailout is coming."

Thank God none of these guys/gals were at Valley Forge.

256 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:11:52pm

re: #230 Sunlight

That's kind of like saying, "You are required to be at work on time everyday, or at least try to make it in by noon." In other words, not a requirement in anyway whatsoever.

257 Querent  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:00pm

re: #187 Sunlight


But that said, you do realize that even reasonable people who have chewed up and swallowed the dinosaur media's marketing materials for Obama and the Dems cannot be swayed by any, ANY information. They are sick at this point and it will take time for them to detox, if they ever do. It's really unbelievable to me what the Dem party has done.

yes, we've all got Post-Obama Stress Disorder

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #246 Charles

Like I said, the "troofer's'll have a hell of a time with Obama.

Can troofer be added to the spell check, Charles? Do you have that ability along with your other superpowers?

259 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:28pm

re: #147 WrathofG-d

I try to trim my thoughts down to as few syllables as possible.
I guess I didn't mean him personally so much as that his audience .

260 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:43pm

re: #238 kansas

Maybe, but I think this is all a manipulation get Obama elected. Just my suspicion.

I agree with that also. The high fuel prices surly start everything off and there is no way anyone can tell me it was not preordained by the left!

261 fluffyabsolutist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:45pm

25 million is quite extravagant compared to how many Americans Al Quaeda estimate need killing. And that's back in the 60s too.

262 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:12:56pm

re: #190 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That had to have had you looking over your shoulder for a while.

263 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:20pm

re: #240 WrathofG-d

A retired judge (very prominent dem) told me we can't ask for picture IDs because it supresses the democratic vote.
/not kidding, I almost fainted. Different planets going on here.

264 Shug  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:21pm

ha.
Just got cut off by the savage nation call screener after telling them that Berg is a 9/11 truther.

265 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:22pm

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm kinda hungry.

Trying the Atkins diet?
/

266 amphibian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:25pm

re: #74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Bolivar, this country and the rights therein is the reason why we are where we are. The individual right can sometimes outweigh the rights of the many.

Can it be unfair? Sure...but I wouldn't have it another way.

Not that I am defending the guilty parties here. Our rights and the liberality of them are wonderful but they are also our Acchilies heel to the enemy. Which is why we must remain vivilant at all times

Am I afraid of BO winning the election? Sure I am. Do I think that his victory will be the end of our country? Maybe,maybe not.

I rely on the primal urge of the human for freedom. Self dependancy is in bred in us all...to take a religious view, it is a gift from God...either way you look at it...communisum NEVER, EVER works....it goes against the grain...history prooves this out.

There will come a point when the human spirit cries NO MORE. Revolutions were formed on this....our country was founded on this.

This is the faith that I have.

Meanwhile, I will prepare for the worst and pray for the best. Either way...we will survive this.

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

267 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:13:49pm

re: #236 JCM

I'm concerned also, but don't think it's very likely to go to far.

The One if he wins will have less than 50% of the vote. He and a (D) will seriously over reach and the '10 midterms will make the Gingrich revolution look mild. The most serious long term effects will be how soon the aging libs on SOCTUS retire and get replaced.

An Obama Administration may not even wait until they retire. A Democrat Senate could vote to increase the size of the Court with a simple majority, and without the ability to filibuster, the GOP could do nothing about it. How does 11 Supreme Court Justices sound to ya? Or maybe 13? An untouchable Liberal majority for 30 years or more...

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:14:48pm

re: #265 nikis-knight

Nope. Always get hung up on the bacon, steak, chicken, etc.

I just killed me a beaut of a potato tho.

269 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:10pm

re: #144 AW

Pray tell when it became inappropriate to remark on a person who could be considered to have committed treason under the Constitution of the US and who is an associate of one of the candidates for POTUS?

270 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:25pm

re: #246 Charles

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.

#1 OK
#2 Hmmmm. I'll have to check into that. Not a credible theory?
#3 Kook. Hmmmm. I'll check into that further. I think he is from here. I used to listen to him on the radio. He was listenable.

271 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:33pm

re: #266 amphibian

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies and Reagan said STFU, STFD.

Fixed that for ya.

272 apb1  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:40pm

re: #266 amphibian

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

Kind of like my home state of Illinois and the Dhim party that spawned Obomber...

273 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:49pm

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

Voters overwhelmingly believe that the media wants Barack Obama to win the presidential election. By a margin of 70%-9%, Americans say most journalists want to see Obama, not John McCain, win on Nov. 4. Another 8% say journalists don't favor either candidate, and 13% say they don't know which candidate most reporters support.

The question is do those 70% take the next logic step and ask if most journalists want The One to win, is it affecting the coverage?

Apparently not.

The latest Pew weekly News Interest Index survey, conducted October 17-20, shows that changing opinions of Obama have been more favorable than unfavorable in these waning days of the campaign,
274 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:55pm

re: #262 FamHistoryGuy

That had to have had you looking over your shoulder for a while.

Just a bit....but then I was just the girlfriend...I never, ever saw anything or heard anything.

Credit to the BF, he was cool when I dropped him.

275 Rule303  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:15:57pm

To be completely correct their plan was not "Genocide" as it was not aimed at a specific race, just wrong thinking regressives and counterrevolutionaries.
No, what the WU had in mind was only murder on a massive scale (but certainly nothing to match the efforts of other well meaning agents of Change in places like the Soviet Union, PRC, or Germany).
Hey, they were just a bunch of crazy kids! Surely we should cut them some slack for their enthusiasm for a Bright New World?

276 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #212 HelloDare

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

277 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:16:37pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

That's a big bowl of cognitive dissonance right there.

278 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:09pm

re: #249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Your text to link...


And it will move into really sucish territory if this happens:

http://www.workforce.com/section/00/arti cle/25/83/58.php

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

279 loppyd  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:26pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

And most people don't like to be told how to think or what to think.

I feel a backlash coming down the pike.

280 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:36pm

re: #248 WrathofG-d

Bill Ayers / The Weather Underground

Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."

~WOW, so "radical"....nothing to see here....move on, dig it!~

The Red Army and Baader Meinhof intimidated the Euros for years. For example... the Munich Olympics after which I was followed around by MPs with dogs for a couple of weeks because they were threatening to kidnap kids of American commanders at bases in Germany. I tell you, when I hear people I know say that the U.S. govt is the problem in America, not any terrorists, I want to scream. They're going to give it all away just by being provincial and not knowing what it's like with random terrorists doing stuff. Europe knows.

281 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:17:55pm

re: #277 JSK1121

That's a big bowl of cognitive dissonance right there.


Don't they use electro shock therapy for that?

282 joncelli  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:21pm

re: #267 Spiny Norman

FDR tried that. It's unconstitutional.

283 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #281 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Don't they use electro shock therapy for that?

Lightning storm on November 4? That'll at least depress the democratic turnout. Couldn't hurt I guess.

284 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #255 ljmw

I saw one of the most conservative people I know straightening out his Obama sign in the front yard. I had to drive by again to make sure my eyes were not deceiving me. I know the guy and his wife have a lot of money tied up in 401 Ks and IRAs.

Fortunately I don't or I might be thinking of making a protest vote myself. I intend to do that with my representatives who should have been riding through the streets screaming "a bailout is coming."

Thank God none of these guys/gals were at Valley Forge.

I read today that the Dems want to do away with IRA and 401 tax deductibility. To vote for Obama based upon the temporary condition of the stock market is moronic. If they really support his policies, and believe what he says, which I don't, then they should vote for him.

285 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:32pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Always get hung up on the bacon, steak, chicken, etc.

I just killed me a beaut of a potato tho.

portobello "burgers" rock

286 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:41pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

To paraphrase Obama, I must not be reading AT on those days.

287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:42pm

re: #278 BBEV

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

288 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:18:58pm

re: #9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Didn't Stalin do this?

Mao too. The Weather Underground took their inspiration from Mao Tse-Tung. Including the title of Ayer's "Prairie Fire" book.

"Marxism-Leninism Mao Tse-Tung thought" was the credo of the 60's ultra left.

Come to think of it are any of you lizards aware of a connection between any of the Weather Underground figures and Bob Avakian's "Revolutionary Communist Party"? Those bastards are Maoists too.

289 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:08pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

Been busy and away from the keyboard. Have at it.

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:18pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Oh, I have a real problem with WND.

Unfortunately, American Thinker is very sloppily written, disinterestedly edited, and carelessly published.

Other than that, it's golden.

WND is all over the place. They are still trying to peddle the Obama Birth Certificate as well as Michelles 'racist' call to a foreign new agency...

291 spaceman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:21pm

re: #145 HelloDare

re: #129 Charles

The person promoting this rumor, Jack Cashill, is seriously lacking in credibility, and is definitely NOT a "literary authority."

For Starters: I'm happy to respect the host Lizard's rules in his own house. I appreciate his hospitality, and value this community. Until the topic is banned (soon I fear) however, I do have a few more words to add.

I noticed myself that Dr. Cashill is an Intelligent Design peddler. For good cause, that tends to make him persona non grata in these parts. (As an aside, I have much appreciated the unorthodox choice Charles made with his politically centered blog to take on this pressing cultural issue of science education.) However, this is insufficient cause in my opinion to dismiss his case on this subject. The merits of his argument can be analyzed with little or no faith extended to him personally. The very long string of coincidences which support his conclusion are laid out cogently, and I would say, fairly convincingly.

I take exception to the statement from 145, and from Charles in a prior thread that there is "no evidence" to support these claims. The evidence is by all admissions circumstantial, but it is certainly evidence nonetheless. If people want to argue that we have better things to spend our time on, then I can appreciate that point of view. If people want to wait and watch and see what develops, I can respect that point of view.

By its very nature though, the web is a forum for a somewhat more free flow of developing ideas and stories. I don't consider myself one easily seduced into conspiracies or general looniness.

The cavalier dismissal "no evidence", dare I say it, reminds me of the ID crowd itself.

292 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:42pm

Remember the movie "Wild in the Streets"?

Don't trust anyone over thirty....

/

293 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:19:47pm

re: #276 jwpaine

Now that I think about it, I've emailed the editor at least three times about typos. And I'm very bad about that kind of stuff mysulf.

294 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:20pm

re: #267 Spiny Norman

Alas, you are correct. The Constitution says nothing at all about the size of the court. All it says is that there will be one and that the salary of the judges will not be reduced during the period they serve. In theory it could be 53 Justices or only a single Justice. Hopefully its moot, but I know a fair number of single issue pro-abortion folks who would like to make sure Roe v Wade is not re-interpreted.

295 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:38pm

Howdy lizards, Phillip Berg, Jack Cashill,Ok both Kooks.But I still wish them luck on there endeavor that I wont mention.

296 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:40pm

re: #283 JSK1121

Lightning storm on November 4? That'll at least depress the democratic turnout. Couldn't hurt I guess.

As a New Orleans Catholic who's studied VooDoo, I have candles ready to burn, as well.

That and my surrogate has gifted Marie Laveau a nice vintage bottle of whiskey and some dollars....one must hedge one's bets.

297 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:50pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

Baathism was, though, wasn't it?
I don't really think Hamas and the PLO would fit anywhere well on our political spectrum.
Or anyway, I don't think that we who favor small government fit on our political spectrum, when extreme left is international socialism and extreme right is national socialism, there isn't much room for non-socialists.

298 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:20:52pm

re: #201 Son of the Black Dog

As someone who served in Vietnam, I don't think Bill Ayers is irrelevant at all. He and the other radical associates of Obama are VERY relevant to this election, perhaps more relevant than any other issue.

Personally, I find you to be pathetic and irrelevant.

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

299 solomonpanting  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:21:40pm

Via Drudge:

Most accurate pollster in 2004 election shows: Obama 44.8%, McCain 43.7%, Not Sure 11.6%...

McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.

300 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:21:49pm

re: #247 eon


Dan Rather wasn't always wrong.

I'm glad you brought him up. I think the reason the MSM is so unwilling to touch a lot of the Ayers stuff is because of Rathergate. Don't get me wrong I was absolutely riveted to that episode of bad journalism and Charles' smack down of the evidence. I do, however, think it has made journalists far less likely to look into conspiratorial type stuff for fear of losing their credibility.

I am not a nutter. I have never subscribed to conspiracy theory. I do think this particular issue is worth looking into and could have a real effect on Obama's cred.

301 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:04pm

re: #297 nikis-knight

Baathism was, though, wasn't it?
I don't really think Hamas and the PLO would fit anywhere well on our political spectrum.
Or anyway, I don't think that we who favor small government fit on our political spectrum, when extreme left is international socialism and extreme right is national socialism, there isn't much room for non-socialists.

And that is exactly why the government should be kept as small as possible, to keep all these nuts out of power.

302 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:11pm

re: #295 Oldasdirt

Howdy lizards, Phillip Berg, Jack Cashill,Ok both Kooks.But I still wish them luck on there endeavor that I wont mention.

I think the records things are best grouped all together. As in why doesn't Sen. Obama want to release any of his records? There is a poster here that has a long list of his failings here.

303 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:27pm

re: #285 kawfytawk

portobello "burgers" rock


Dude...Portobellos, lightly sauteed, then layred with fresh provelone cheese and tomatoes, slap that sucker on the grill till the cheese melts and daym! Slap your mamma!

304 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:22:39pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

don't buy gold...

Jeez....

Gold is down to $714 an ounce. The hedge funds have been liquidating their investments.

That, and the dollar has gotten stronger.

305 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #273 JCM

Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

306 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #292 mensamann

Was that the one with the phrase "14 or fight"?

307 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:17pm

re: #278 BBEV

Holy crap! Time to buy Gold.

Don't buy it yet. Gold has been falling off a cliff in the last month. I am gonna say the bottom is $650. Wait a few weeks.

308 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #222 kawfytawk

So basically if Berg doesn't get what he wants he sues anyone and everyone right?....sounds like a whiny baby with a law degree

Redundant !

/ducks and runs from lizard lawyers

309 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:23:56pm

re: #305 Russkilitlover

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

310 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #303 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Dude...Portobellos, lightly sauteed, then layred with fresh provelone cheese and tomatoes, slap that sucker on the grill till the cheese melts and daym! Slap your mamma!

I saute mine in butter and olive oil and drizzle with a reduced balsamic glaze......
scrum-dilly-umptious!

311 loppyd  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:07pm

BF just rang the dinner bell.

BBL

312 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:14pm

re: #44 beens21

I will bet $5 that O has or had all of Ayers' books in his library or read them.

I bet they're all autographed.

313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:16pm

re: #304 3 wood

Gold is down to $714 an ounce. The hedge funds have been liquidating their investments.

That, and the dollar has gotten stronger.


Go with the defensive funds/stocks..we all have to eat, and use the bathroom, don't we?

Oh, and go with the vices too.

314 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:16pm

Here's something to make us all puke:

Even before Weatherman began its notorious bombing campaign, the group's future leaders had formed relationships with others who shared their hatred for "Amerikkka."

Bernadine Dohrn made numerous contacts with Fidel Castro's Cuban Mission at the UN in 1968 and 1969, during which time she arranged for SDS groups to visit Havana.

After returning from Cuba, Dohrn and others met with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong representatives in Budapest, Hungary, to discuss antiwar strategy on US campuses. Speaking a few days later at an assembly of revolutionary student movements at Columbia University, Dohrn reported that the Vietnamese communists she met in Budapest were working with US GIs in Saigon, attempting to obtain military information.

As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast...."

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

315 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:21pm

re: #250 Alouette

Soylent Green!

Makes you wonder why capitalists aren't more popular. They're delicious!

316 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:24pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

OK then Buy land.

317 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:24:27pm

re: #298 wolfie

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

I know quite a few veterans around my home turf. A lot of them served in Vietnam.

So far, all of them I've asked are backing Senator McCain. They look at Senator Obama, and see Jimmy Carter Lite.

/And they figure we've already fallen off that bridge once, there's no point in doing it twice

cheers

eon

318 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:05pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

The PLO has its roots in the same post WWII movement that spawned Ba'ath. The PLO was originally an Ethnic Nationalist movement, and a lot of their foundational ideology comes from Marx (and of course the KGB). Politically, the PLO were definitely Leftists. Today, they are either largely infiltrated by Islamists, but a lot of them are still 'Pan-Arabist Socialists'.

319 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #307 johnnyreb

Don't buy it yet. Gold has been falling off a cliff in the last month. I am gonna say the bottom is $650. Wait a few weeks.

How about Ammo?

320 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:14pm

re: #52 Oh no...Sand People!

Shake magic 8 ball:

"Sources say, not likely...ever. Nope. Sorry. Never. Are you kidding? What?! Ha ha!"
/

HA!

321 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:26pm

re: #251 CIA Reject

~
When the "individual" is solely a cog for the benefit of the whole, 25 million to "save" 350 million isn't so bad.
~

322 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:28pm

re: #311 loppyd

BF just rang the dinner bell.

BBL

Speaking of dinner, the lasagne is almost ready (I cook batches of it at a time and freeze it) and I have to get the garlic bread in. BRB

323 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:48pm

re: #309 Oh no...Sand People!

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

I'll see you in Ayer's reeducation camps!

324 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:25:50pm

re: #305 Russkilitlover

I have thought that all the dirt uncovered vis-a-vis BHO's friends and mentors would have tipped the balance to a McCain landslide. But I have since found that there are a lot (most of them 20-35 and 50-60 year olds) who WANT a degree of socialism. To them, it's not a bad thing, but a desired thing. Words like Fairness and Equality trip from their tongues, while Self-Reliance and Personal Achievement choke them.

Zombie wrote earlier that it didn't want to show the entire Ayers manifesto for fear of indoctrinating rather than discouraging socialist supporters. I agree and further, I think America is ripe for socialism - from both young and old.

I've run into that wall with our NCGs (new college grad) co-workers. A complete disconnection for the idea that where government controls, liberty ceases to exist.

*sigh*

Got to run lizards, foster parent continuing ed class must keep the CEUs up to maintain the license.

325 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:02pm
re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

re: #316 BBEV

OK then Buy land.

Or Call of Duty 4 on the Xbox 360...that game is as good as GOLD!

/it has to up in value sometime...right?

326 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #246 Charles

1) He is a creationist, who writes articles promoting the teaching of creationism in schools.

2) He wrote a ludicrous book called "Ron Brown's Body" arguing that the Clintons killed Ron Brown.

3) There's lots more. He's a kook.


Ok, I believe you. He's a kook who lacks credibility.

But that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. IIRC he didn't come up with the theory he's promulgating. I have no idea if its true or not (not having read any of Obama's OR Ayers books), but it seems plausible.

Apparently Khalid Rashidi thanked Ayers for helping Rashidi with HIS book. Why is it such a stretch to think that Ayers also helped Obama?

But again (and more important), this is probably a testable hypothesis. If there is substantial similarity between Ayers works and Obamas, that could be provable objectively with computer word analysis.

327 Alouette  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #275 Rule303

To be completely correct their plan was not "Genocide" as it was not aimed at a specific race, just wrong thinking regressives and counterrevolutionaries.

OK then, classicide. Whatever it was that was done by Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro.

328 JCM  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:22pm

re: #316 BBEV

OK then Buy land.

Guns....
And lots of ammo......

329 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:31pm

re: #319 BBEV

How about Ammo?

A very good investment. And it never goes bad.

330 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:57pm

re: #287 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

FUCK...don't buy gold...

Jeez....

Why not?

Seriously, I don't see why not. I'm expecting inflation to surge next year with all the hundreds of billions the Government has been throwing around lately.

331 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:26:57pm

Random thoughts as I drive-by...

They can't figure out how to deport 12 million illegal aliens, but they were going to kill 25 million citizens who couldn't get their minds right? Or, er...left, I guess that should read.

Carved a "B" into her face. Biden supporter?

332 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:03pm

I dont' follow this stuff as close as you guys do, (no T.V. and all) but in his assurance of his non-relationship with Ayers has Barack actually ever repudiated Ayers beliefs or actions?

333 Researcher...MO  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:03pm

re: #212 HelloDare

Michael Medved calls WND World Nut Daily.

I like AT. I've linked a lot of their articles here. I have a much bigger problem with WND.

Agreed, AT is a daily stop, WND, not so much...

334 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:18pm

re: #298 wolfie

The connection between Ayers and Obama should matter to anyone who witnessed the Vietnam era. John McCain was tortured for years by Ayers's beloved Marxists.
I know many may consider this to be an overstatement, but as far as I am concerned, voting for Obama over McCain is like spitting on everyone who served in Vietnam. Spitting on them again, I should say.

Yeah, spitting on them and practicing an astounding lack of personal hygiene.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:26pm

re: #325 Oh no...Sand People!

Or Call of Duty 4 on the Xbox 360...that game is as good as GOLD!

/it has to up in value sometime...right?

Only if you got it from the "Franklin Mint"!

336 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:52pm

re: #254 JSK1121

FTFY. Hamas and the PLO are most certainly NOT on the left end of the political spectrum.

Not on your spectrum evidently. They are on mine, but then, so are Hitler and Mussolini.

337 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:27:56pm

re: #334 Taqyia2Me

Sweet avatar. Just noticed it. Played that game for hours on the ol C64...back in the day.

338 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:00pm

re: #314 Adina in Judea

Here's something to make us all puke:

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

Nine rings given to Man, who is all too easily corrupted. ~ Paraphrase from Lord of the Rings.

339 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:08pm

re: #314 Adina in Judea

Here's something to make us all puke:

Ayers & Dohrn Given Rings Made From US Planes Shot Down Over North Vietnam

And hey still keep them with pride, I am damn certain.

340 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:14pm

re: #328 JCM

Guns....
And lots of ammo......

Gun's I have no guns Nope never did never will :-)
Never know who is looking.

341 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:28:29pm

re: #309 Oh no...Sand People!

I want equal wrongs for all people!
/

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Constitution to include a Bill of Wrongs, just before the Bill of Rights.

He wanted future generations of Americans to have the reasons the Bill of Rights was needed right there with it for easy reference.

cheers

eon

342 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:01pm

re: #306 Tarkus289

I don't recall for sure, but I do believe so. The gist is there was a band (loosely based on The Doors) that got the young ones out to vote. They took over the country politically and put LSD in the water supply of San Fran, I think. In the end, the lead singer of thee band, who was elected president, turned thirty one and then wanted the rules changed! Up until then they would kill anyone over thirty... a B movie that I saw in the theater when I was 11 or 12 maybe?

343 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:11pm

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

344 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:29:48pm

re: #341 eon

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Constitution to include a Bill of Wrongs, just before the Bill of Rights.

He wanted future generations of Americans to have the reasons the Bill of Rights was needed right there with it for easy reference.

cheers

eon

Wow. I love doing the opposite game. No Ben Franklin or anything...but It gives me a different perspective to think about. If we want one...got to have the other.

345 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:30:46pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

I like it

346 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?


+
Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Voila! White trash!

347 Russkilitlover  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:37pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

How about a milk carton with a "Missing" picture - the picture could be of a Patriot or Minuteman.

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

That's dang funny. Can she pull it off?

349 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

That's great!
ROFLMAO

350 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:46pm

Past my bed time.

Later all.

351 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:31:50pm

The toxic securities in the bank system are starting to get priced.

Value of WaMu debt set at 57 cents on the dollar

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- An auction set the value of Washington Mutual bonds for the huge credit default swap market on Thursday.
The auction set the value of the debt of the bankrupt thrift at 57 cents on the dollar, according to Markit and Creditex, the administrators of the auction. That means sellers of CDS protection on WaMu will need to pay 43 cents on the dollar to their counterparties.

Credit-default swaps, or CDS, are a common type of derivative contract that pay out in the event of default. The market has grown quickly, with the notional amount of contracts outstanding surging past $50 trillion in recent years.

Actually, 57 cents on the dollar is a lot higher than many people originally thought it would be. Just a few weeks ago 20 cents on the dollar was the
general assumption. The reason why the market for this stuff grew so quickly is it was priced very cheaply. It was almost an automatic to buy this kind of contract if you issued any debt in the last 10 years. The insurance companies were almost giving the stuff away, and you got a much lower interest rate on the debt if you got the bond insurance.

352 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:32:46pm

re: #342 mensamann

I just looked it up on IMDB, the theme was 14 or fight, the voting age was lowered to 14, and those over 30 were sent to lsd camps for retirement. I saw it back in the 70s, it was fun to watch, but even the I knew it was B.S.

It was made in 1968.

353 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:11pm

re: #313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Go with the defensive funds/stocks..we all have to eat, and use the bathroom, don't we?

Oh, and go with the vices too.

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

354 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:34pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's dang funny. Can she pull it off?

oh yeah she is a ham...put it this way...in her yearbook she was voted most likely to be on saturday night live

355 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:33:45pm

re: #352 Tarkus289

That's right! Yeah, it was fun when I was a lad....

356 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:02pm

re: #346 Meremortal

Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Put a pair of rimless glasses on the garbage bag and she's a VP candidate.

357 Racer X  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:02pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

Yes.

Wear an Obama mask.
Ring doorbell.
Instead of trick or treat yell "Spread The Wealth!".
Take all of the candy from the bowl and declare "I will now decide who gets your candy and how much".

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:24pm

re: #353 3 wood

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

359 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:33pm

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

360 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:39pm

re: #337 Oh no...Sand People!

Sweet avatar. Just noticed it. Played that game for hours on the ol C64...back in the day.

Thanks, I'll show my age and say, "What's a C64?" I used to read Mad Magazine and they always had Spy v Spy episodes..

361 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:34:49pm

re: #321 WrathofG-d

~
When the "individual" is solely a cog for the benefit of the whole, 25 million to "save" 350 million isn't so bad.
~

Worse than that actually. To the communist there is no such thing as "individual rights", an individual only has rights as part of the collective and those rights are subject to the whim of those who manage the collective- the government.

Those who do not participate in the collective are merely disposable.

Frightening, and Evil...

362 johnnyreb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:12pm

re: #353 3 wood

We also are going to end up with 4 "super-banks". Don't forget about them too.

Yep and the government is gonna own about 25% of each of those banks. I see a repeat of this crisis in about 10 years or less. The government will make the rules, and we will be back to square one. There is no way once the US government gets a stake in banks that they will sell them back.

363 opnion  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:23pm

re: #326 looking closely

Ok, I believe you. He's a kook who lacks credibility.

But that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. IIRC he didn't come up with the theory he's promulgating. I have no idea if its true or not (not having read any of Obama's OR Ayers books), but it seems plausible.

Apparently Khalid Rashidi thanked Ayers for helping Rashidi with HIS book. Why is it such a stretch to think that Ayers also helped Obama?

But again (and more important), this is probably a testable hypothesis. If there is substantial similarity between Ayers works and Obamas, that could be provable objectively with computer word analysis.

I have a better question, how does a guy just out of Law School without any real biography, get an advance to write his autobiography?
It is counterintuitive. Back in the day who was pushing this guy?

364 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:32pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

Man that was old School, yoou must be old, Ha ha . I remember it all so well

365 bosforus  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:33pm
It was unclear what the "B" was meant to symbolize, Richard said.

-AP

366 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:36pm

re: #357 Racer X

Yes.

Wear an Obama mask. Ring doorbell. Instead of trick or treat yell "Spread The Wealth!". Take all of the candy from the bowl and declare "I will now decide who gets your candy and how much".

LOL. I would do that in a new york minute. Is 55 to old to go trick or treating?

367 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:49pm

re: #318 Scion9

The PLO has its roots in the same post WWII movement that spawned Ba'ath. The PLO was originally an Ethnic Nationalist movement, and a lot of their foundational ideology comes from Marx (and of course the KGB). Politically, the PLO were definitely Leftists. Today, they are either largely infiltrated by Islamists, but a lot of them are still 'Pan-Arabist Socialists'.

The PLO is most definitely Pan-Arab socialist and their roots are in the radical left. Leila Khalid, the PLO's poster girl airplane hijacker from the late 1960's and early 70's was a heartthrob of the radical left both here and in Europe. Kind of an Arab female Che.

368 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:35:49pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

White or very light green dress, one of those "rayed" green foam headbands they hand out at loan companies, and a baton-type flashlight for a "torch".

Statue of Liberty! :-)

/And the flashlight makes her visible to drivers- very important for safety

cheers

eon

369 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:01pm

re: #346 Meremortal

+
Give her a white garbage bag. Cut out arm holes and a head hole.

Voila! White trash!

she actually did that in high school....she also wore curlers in her hair, slippers on her feet and carried a beer can and baby

370 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:11pm

re: #357 Racer X

That's good. I might have to use that one.

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:13pm

re: #364 BBEV

A lady never tells her age...(blushes)

372 yah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:36:20pm
re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them

Solvent Green

373 Soona'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:00pm

re: #266 amphibian

Sorry, but in implementation, back in the workers' paradise of the USSR, people were not allowed that much freedom. Oh, human ambition wasn't dead -- only an ass like Marx could expect that -- but it went underground. The black market flourished. Someone who was in charge of distributing some resource became wealthy from bribes from people who wanted the resource distributed to them first, as did the police officials and judges whom he bribed to make them look the other way. The economy leaked like a sieve. People who did not have extensive connections just got by. Instead of "study hard, then work hard, and you'll get ahead", the dream was, "find friends who will get you into a nice cushy job, then do the mutual hand-greasing and back-rubbing and you'll have enough to eat".

It was a way of life. Until it collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies.

You've just described the majority of the US Congress.

374 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:02pm

Bill Ayers slipped into our teaching system years ago.He as former,unrepentant
terrorist, he got in under the radar.Ok,he's on the radar now,(big time),so how do we do something to get him out of the teaching of our kids.
Seems that Ward Churchill got kicked out,,this Ayers needs to be next.
And then some sort of Conservative study needs to be done to check out what other jerks are teaching our kids,and get them out as well.

375 mensamann  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:19pm

re: #360 Taqyia2Me

Gee, now you're making me feel old! Spy V. Spy was around waaaayyy before the Commodore 64.

376 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:27pm

re: #360 Taqyia2Me

Thanks, I'll show my age and say, "What's a C64?" I used to read Mad Magazine and they always had Spy v Spy episodes..

A Commodore 64 (as in 64 kilobytes) home computer. A cross between a game machine and a real, programmable computer.

377 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:51pm

25 million.

Mentor to the Democratic presidential candidate.

The evil swirling around the Democratic Party is chilling.

"Punished with a baby".

No exceptions for the new and innocent either.

378 kawfytawk  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:37:58pm

thanks for the ideas everyone....dinner calls....bbl

379 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:18pm

re: #359 unreconstructed rebel

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

AMEN ALLELUIA!

380 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:24pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A lady never tells her age...(blushes)

Don't need to blush I remember it too.

381 bosforus  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:28pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

Bill Ayers slipped into our teaching system years ago.He as former,unrepentant
terrorist, he got in under the radar.Ok,he's on the radar now,(big time),so how do we do something to get him out of the teaching of our kids.
Seems that Ward Churchill got kicked out,,this Ayers needs to be next.
And then some sort of Conservative study needs to be done to check out what other jerks are teaching our kids,and get them out as well.

Next time your kid comes home and he says he learned 'nothing' at school, grill him and correct him where necessary.

382 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:38:39pm

re: #356 ljmw

What ?

Did you miss a sarc tag, or do you think Gov Palin is trash?

383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:04pm
re: #136 jwpaine

Jeez, just figuring out where to dispose of 25,000,000 bodies would be a logistical nightmare! My heart goes out to them

Have to hire a helluva "cleaner". Send in "The Wolf".

384 Jimash  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:16pm
385 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:39:46pm

Who will save us from McCain supporters?
"Politically Motivated" Mutilation - Real or Hoax?


Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.

We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.

386 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Bob's Bank. "Hi! I'm Bob. Welcome to my bank." -Steve Martin

Not to be confused with "The Bank of Dad", which my kids think is a bottomless cash machine.

387 ljmw  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:18pm

re: #382 wolfie


It's sarcasm, Wolfie. I used to know a wolfie on the Amazon message board. Any relation?

388 Outrider  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:40:24pm

I wish we could get a photo of Obama and Ayers together during the 2004-2008 time frame. Sure make things a lot easier eh?

389 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:02pm

re: #384 Jimash

Wow, it is much cornier than I remembered it.

390 eon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:38pm

Well, I'm off for tonight. Really need some shut-eye.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

cheers

eon

391 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:46pm

re: #388 Outrider

You could have a photo of Obama and Ayers having sex on a pile of cocaine at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

392 3 wood  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:57pm

re: #359 unreconstructed rebel

Mr. Ayers,

I got news. I am one of "those diehard American capitalists who [will] resist 'reeducation.'". And there are whole bunches of us. So, bring it on, asshole.

unreconstructed rebel

*spit*

What he said.

393 little blessing  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:41:58pm
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

So we should all be wary of people with Graduate degrees?
/

394 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:35pm

re: #386 3 wood

Not to be confused with "The Bank of Dad", which my kids think is a bottomless cash machine.

That one was cut off a few years ago I don't know about the "Bank of Mom" I think that was has some problems with bad loans.

395 itellu3times  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:42:45pm

re: #372 yah

Soylent.

396 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:18pm

re: #329 johnnyreb

{Ammo] A very good investment. And it never goes bad.

Well, I wouldn't say it "never" goes bad, but it can remain good for decades or a lifetime if stored properly.

Over the past several years ammo has been appreciating at 15% per year, so in fact in the recent past it actually HAS been a very good investment. This is for several reasons: Cost of commodities (copper and lead) have gone way up, and the war was driving up demand. Ammo is also heavy and usually gets shipped pretty far, meaning that fuel costs make up a large part of the cost. And the weak dollar hasn't helped either.

But at this point, pretty much all of those things have turned around. The war in Iraq is winding down, oil and copper just dropped to their lowest prices in a year, and the dollar its strongest.

So its probable that ammo prices will flatten out over the next year (if not drop).

397 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:24pm

re: #392 3 wood

What he said.

That fucking little bomb-thrower has now idea.

398 BBEV  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:35pm

re: #394 BBEV

That one was cut off a few years ago I don't know about the "Bank of Mom" I think that was has some problems with bad loans.

pimf/ that one

399 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:43:58pm

re: #393 little blessing

So we should all be wary of people with Graduate degrees?
/

Well, if that graduate degree is in the humanities, yes. That would be a very good start.

400 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:36pm

re: #397 unreconstructed rebel

That fucking little bomb-thrower has now idea.

Must ... not .... type ... in .... a .... hurray.

401 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #374 Oldasdirt

The studies have been done.
Removal is almost always impossible.
(Ward Churchill was removed only for having lied in his resume.)
The attempt to prevent future hirings of this kind, is exceedingly difficult.

402 Querent  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

i think that one's pretty clever!

403 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:05pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

You could have a photo of Obama and Ayers having sex on a pile of cocaine at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

Bingo. Give that man a cigar! I don't think a lot of Lizards would agree, but it's the gosh darn truth. Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.

404 Tarkus289  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:13pm

I thought I heard thunder outside, but it was my stomach growling, I'll see you guys and gals later.

405 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:45:19pm

re: #381 bosforus

Allready had to do that,,my kids are grown and gone,with kids of there own.
Both under Obama might need to be reeducated. Both are more conservative than me.

406 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:27pm

re: #387 ljmw

No relation that I know of!
(I figured you must be kidding!)

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:33pm

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

Bingo. Give that man a cigar! I don't think a lot of Lizards would agree, but it's the gosh darn truth. Nothing short of Obama himself pulling a public stunt will shake his supporters.

I think folks'd say, "Well, isn't that brave! Bravo Senator Obama. Bravo!"

408 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:39pm

re: #384 Jimash

You know, for all its campiness that movie is an incredibly poignant indictment of the 'counter culture'.

409 wolfie  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:44pm

Dinner ! Yum !

410 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:50pm

re: #343 kawfytawk

daughter just called....looking for a halloween costume....she said she thought about wearing a milk carton costume and wear tattoos and smoke and call herself "milk gone bad"

any one have any good ideas?

Sounds like she's on to a great idea on her own!

411 unclassifiable  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 4:46:53pm