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Authorities Skeptical About Attack Claim

US News | Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:25:18 pm PDT

TMZ is reporting that Pittsburgh law enforcement officials are skeptical about the alleged attack on a McCain volunteer.

Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.

We’re told there are several things about the alleged attack that don’t add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a “thorough investigation” and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we’re told there is definitely a level of skepticism.

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1 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:48pm

Rev. Sharpton anywhere around Pittsburgh?

2 solomonpanting  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:49pm

And the 48-hour rules again.

3 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:26:51pm

The 24 hour rule should never be disregarded.

4 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:27:06pm

I wonder if it is true that she volunteers for the McCain campaign?

5 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:28:15pm

I saw a photograph she took of her face and the "B" looked backwards.

6 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:13pm

What gave it away - the backwards "B"?

7 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:22pm

I've been skeptical since I read Michelle Malkin on the attack.

It's not just the B, but check out the volunteer's blog (linked by Malkin).

8 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:28pm

It seems to me to be self-inflicted. A crazed and pissed thief would have cut deeper.

9 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:32pm

re: #4 PAgirlinNC

nObama Plant?

10 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:33pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Tee hee.

11 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:29:40pm

First comes the mudslinging , then comes the shit-slinging . Countdown to the big splatter .

12 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:22pm

One way or the other, it looks like she took a whuppin' for something.

13 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:30:31pm

"War is Deceit" - where have I heard this before?

14 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:31:09pm

re: #5 MandyManners

I saw a photograph she took of her face and the "B" looked backwards.

The assailent could have been kneeling above her head, with her chin away from him, using his right hand to carve, holding her head with his left hand. It would be backwards when looking from the front.

15 Racer X  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:31:22pm

Heh.

Read some of the comments from the TMZ link.

16 abolitionist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:31:26pm

re: #13 Piglet-U93

Sun Tzu and Mohammed.

17 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:31:43pm

re: #4 PAgirlinNC

I wonder if it is true that she volunteers for the McCain campaign?

I think that should be the focus of all investigative efforts now. From the beginning this has smelled like an attempt by the BO campaign to bait McCain supporters.

18 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:32:01pm

I don't see a cut. I see a red mark.

19 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:32:07pm

If it were a crazed Obama partisan, why wasn't it the letter "O"?

20 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:32:10pm

A backwards "B" could very well be an upside down "B".

21 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:32:32pm

Seemed fishy to me too.

22 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:32:35pm

re: #5 MandyManners

I saw a photograph she took of her face and the "B" looked backwards.

Yeah, same thing.

23 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:33:25pm

I hadn't thought about the position of the attacker.

24 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:33:57pm

re: #17 CIA Reject

I think that should be the focus of all investigative efforts now. From the beginning this has smelled like an attempt by the BO campaign to bait McCain supporters.

Right. Let's let the police do their job. All else is dangerous & inflammatory speculation.

25 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:33:59pm

Vote @ TMZ says:

The attack ...
Hoax 74%
Real 26%
Total Votes: 12,884
26 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:34:57pm

re: #25 sngnsgt

What? You working for Acorn?

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27 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:02pm

If we are going to accuse this girl of making this up I think we could use a better source than a celebrity gossip website that leans left.

28 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:21pm

I am actually bother more my the whole look of her face. Something says to me a very amatuer make up job. So far, I don't think she has been looked at by any medical professional.

29 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:37pm

Good Evening Lizards!

This is a rare evening appearance for me. Mandy, don't you ever log off?

30 abolitionist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:39pm

IMO, the B appears to be exceptionally well-formed, and I doubt that a robber would take the time to be that neat.

31 Gus 802  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:46pm

Just have to let the cops do there job.

As for reading or visiting TMZ I think I'll pass.

32 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:52pm

re: #16 abolitionist

Sun Tzu and Mohammed.

Its been a decade since I read (know your enemy) Sun Tzu.

33 Zombie_Killian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:35:57pm

re: #27 Colonel Panik

TMZ is what passes for 'hard' journalism nowadays.

34 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:36:10pm

I've invoked the 24 hour rule on this one. As with Looking Closely, my first thought was "B"? Shouldn't it be an "O" as that is what is associated with the good senator? He is referred to as Obama, I don't see Barack Obama or Barack all that often. If it pans out in 24, I will extend my outrage.

35 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:36:11pm

re: #25 sngnsgt

Vote @ TMZ says:

What are they polling the same Jews Gallop did?

According to Gallup poll, 74% of American Jews back democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama; only 22% say they support John McCain.

I smell a conspiracy?

36 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:36:28pm

re: #26 Bubblehead II

That poll is getting packed somewhere...

37 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:37:54pm

Pre-attack, McCain volunteer blogged from "wrong side of pittsburgh"

OCTOBER 23--Shortly before a John McCain campaign volunteer was reportedly robbed at knifepoint and had a "B" carved in her face after her assailant noticed that her car carried a McCain bumper sticker, the woman blogged last night that she was "Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees" and had somehow ended up "on the wrong side of pittsburgh."

With screen grab of the girl's Twitter page.

38 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:37:58pm

re: #34 ArmyWife

I've invoked the 24 hour rule on this one. As with Looking Closely, my first thought was "B"? Shouldn't it be an "O" as that is what is associated with the good senator? He is referred to as Obama, I don't see Barack Obama or Barack all that often. If it pans out in 24, I will extend my outrage.

Maybe this is the great "crisis" Biden as in "B" was talking about? Raise our level of alert to defcon 3 fast!

39 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:01pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Mark Levin noted she had refused medical treatment. She claimed being kicked in the ribs, etc. etc. I thought that odd, too. I could see her saying "I don't need an ambulance, I'll go to a Doc in the Box or call my primary care clinic or even I'll just get to the ER myself" but absolute refusal seemed out of place, too.

40 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:03pm

It's time to work with FACTS, not alleged attacks.
Barack Hussein Obama wasted $100 million of other peoples money working with a Domestic Terrorist trying to implement radical-socialist programs into the educational system of Illinois.

It's on the RECORD!

41 CapeCoddah  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:23pm

Something sounds fishy to me, also. If I were mugged and mutilated, I would call/go to the police immediately. Not go home and photograph myself.
O/T a fantastic summation of why McCain/Palin is the right choice. This one hits the left right between the eyes.

Youtube Video

42 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:50pm

Hot Air has a boatload of updates about this story.

43 swamprat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:52pm

upside down "b"..actually it doesn't look like a 'b" at all. Two circles with points. I don't think that she blackened her own eye.

44 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:38:55pm

If it turns out she has faked this I'm willing to eat my corvid pie. But I want to see this from a source other than TMZ.

45 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:39:40pm

re: #44 Colonel Panik

If it turns out she has faked this I'm willing to eat my corvid pie. But I want to see this from a source other than TMZ.

they are usually more accurate than the NYT's aren't they?

46 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:39:52pm

Anybody can work a phone bank - heck our own zombie volunteered for a one day stint at a BO phone bank.

Say what you will but I just can't shake the feeling that this young woman is a BO supporter who did a single shift at a McCain phone bank and then pulled a hoax to bait the McCain campaign into doing something that could be labeled RACIST!

re: #27 Colonel Panik

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

47 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:40:15pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

That is the Enquirer. Maybe we should call them?

48 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:13pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

I am actually bother more my the whole look of her face. Something says to me a very amatuer make up job. So far, I don't think she has been looked at by any medical professional.

That bothered me a bit. If someone had gotten their eye blackened like that, wouldn't there be more swelling? And also some redness in the eye itself?

The Hot Air updates reported that she did go to the hospital this morning. Could the swelling have gone down within 24 hours?

49 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:15pm

re: #37 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The wrong side of Pittsburgh, now there's a rough neighborhood.

50 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:41pm

re: #39 ArmyWife

Mark Levin noted she had refused medical treatment. She claimed being kicked in the ribs, etc. etc. I thought that odd, too. I could see her saying "I don't need an ambulance, I'll go to a Doc in the Box or call my primary care clinic or even I'll just get to the ER myself" but absolute refusal seemed out of place, too.

I concur. The lack of her concern in seeking at least a look over by a doctor, combined with that "make up job," just doesn't add up to me. Rremember, I work in theatre, and have worked on a number of feature movies which required "injured make up" and her marks look manufactured to me.

51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:45pm

re: #19 looking closely

If it were a crazed Obama partisan, why wasn't it the letter "O"?

That's The Oprah™, don't ya know!

52 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:41:46pm

The smell factor for me is that she claims to have given him the money he demanded ($60.00) and managed to step away from him. He then see's the McCain/Palin bumper sticker gets pissed off and strikes her in the BACK of the head. No where in the original report does it state that she tried to run away/turned her back to him. Makes one wonder.

53 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:42:12pm

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Perhaps! Though I am thinking he meant some ROP type will be stopping in to check up on security. He really is a hoot - until I remember he is running for VP.

54 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:42:17pm

Who will save Republicans from themselves?

55 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:42:28pm

#41 ....don't quite follow your rationale .

56 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:00pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Who will save Republicans from themselves?

Joe "Plugs" Biden.

57 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:09pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Who will save Republicans from themselves?

Let 'em burn. Let's have CONSERVATIVES (real ones) instead.

58 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:11pm

re: #44 Colonel Panik

If it turns out she has faked this I'm willing to eat my corvid pie. But I want to see this from a source other than TMZ.

What's corvid pie?

59 crimeshark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:47pm

I call shenanigans on this one. I've been a prosecutor for years- no way that's something somebody cut into her face. Putting aside it looks like she did it to herself while looking in a mirror, there's the fact that knives and razors don't cut like that. Trust me- I've seen plenty of knife and razor wounds. And look at at how even and rounded the letter is. She would have to be holding really still the entire time she was being 'cut'- or in this case, scratched. When somebody cuts a letter into someone, there are lots of straight lines that cross each other, jagged edges and deep, gaping, wounds. This looks self-inflicted.

60 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:55pm

re: #58 MandyManners

corvid = crow.

61 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:43:59pm

Did anyone mention that the pix itself could be backwards, flipped?

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:10pm

re: #57 Pawn of the Oppressor

Being a liberal myself, I'm not sure if that's the answer.

63 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:12pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Corvus = Crow in Latin.

64 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:19pm

A couple updates from Captain Ed:


Update VI: Here’s a video report on the attack from KDKA-TV (via the Newsbusters).

Update VII: I spoke with two executives at the College Republicans on the record about this story. Charlie Smith, the National Chair, and Ethan Eilon, the Executive Director, both say the photo is legitimate and that it came from Ashley Todd, the victim in this case. The attack began at 8:50 pm ET and Ashley called the police at 9:30 PM ET. Initially, she was robbed, ran away after the robbery, and the robber followed her to her car. At that point, he became enraged at the bumper sticker and began beating her and scratched the ‘B’ into her face. Ashley went to the hospital early this morning after initially refusing medical attention last night, and had an MRI and/or a CAT scan. Doctors believe her cheek will heal fully.

Eilon spoke with her personally today about the incident and confirmed the above with me. He first met Ashley in June, when she came to DC for training with the College Republicans. She works for them as a contract employee. She does not work for the McCain campaign. Both Eilon and Smith expressed revulsion over an attack on a young woman just getting involved in politics, but they consider this the act of a lone lunatic.

I’m not going to blame people for keeping a healthy skepticism on this case, but so far, the two media reports appear to check out.

65 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:27pm

People can theorize about the placement and shape of the B, but how do you explain the black eye?

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:27pm

re: #61 Teacake!

Hot Air floated that theory.

67 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:31pm

Great... the media is going to have a field day with this for two reasons if it turns out to be hoax. First because said she was attacked for having a McCain sticker on her car and second because she said her attacker was black...

But, if it is a hoax, the police need to prosecute her.

68 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:44:39pm

re: #58 MandyManners

It doesn't sound good, whatever it is.

69 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:02pm

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

People can theorize about the placement and shape of the B, but how do you explain the black eye?

Racist!
/

70 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:04pm

I know of multiple incidents like this where a person claims to have been physically defaced by "evil" opposition group.

To a one, they have all been hoaxes.
We all remember Tawana Brawley, and Morton Downey Jr, but there are other high-profile examples:

Medical examiner of Memphis. . .

71 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:06pm

re: #56 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Joe "Plugs" Biden.

Howdy Ozark,Has Bowtox head been talking again?

72 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:13pm

Thanks, Lizards! I learn something new here every day.

73 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:15pm

re: #42 Intrepid

Hot Air has a boatload of updates about this story.

Update VII on HotAir says the attack began at 8:50 ET. On Ashley's Twitter page, though, the blog posts about trying to find an ATM are posted an hour or more before (unless I'm screwing up my time conversion - the Twitter posts are in GMT). She spent 60-90 minutes searching for an ATM on the wrong side of Pittsburgh?

I'm in the 24-48 hour rule camp.

74 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:22pm

re: #61 Teacake!

Did anyone mention that the pix itself could be backwards, flipped?

Download it to your computer, put it in Photo Editor and flip it. That won't make the "b" turn around.

75 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:29pm

re: #58 MandyManners

What's corvid pie?

Crows are part of a group of bird species known as corvids.

76 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:40pm

re: #67 PAgirlinNC

Great... the media is going to have a field day with this for two reasons if it turns out to be hoax. First because said she was attacked for having a McCain sticker on her car and second because she said her attacker was black...

But, if it is a hoax, the police need to prosecute her.

To the fullest extent possible.

77 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:45:57pm

re: #49 sngnsgt

The wrong side of Pittsburgh, now there's a rough neighborhood.

I sense some racial subtleties in your statement.

/

78 QueenEsther  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:02pm

re: #7 arethusa

the blog entries do look a little suspect. All extremely recent, too. Can't spell "yeshiva", so if she's doing a clandestine "shlep" routine, I'm unimpressed with her knowledge.

79 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:26pm

re: #59 crimeshark

I call shenanigans on this one. I've been a prosecutor for years- no way that's something somebody cut into her face. Putting aside it looks like she did it to herself while looking in a mirror, there's the fact that knives and razors don't cut like that. Trust me- I've seen plenty of knife and razor wounds. And look at at how even and rounded the letter is. She would have to be holding really still the entire time she was being 'cut'- or in this case, scratched. When somebody cuts a letter into someone, there are lots of straight lines that cross each other, jagged edges and deep, gaping, wounds. This looks self-inflicted.

I second that.
That is simply not the injury you'd expect from the described scenario.

80 swamprat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:33pm

re: #43 swamprat


Saw the picture inverted; "B" looks near perfect. This is real.

81 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:35pm

Good evening, Lizards.

82 middlecon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:52pm

Assuming it is 100% true what does it say about the elction in general? Its really not much in my book but a random crime. I'm sure there are some McCain supporters who would beat up an Obama supporter if given a chance. Blown way out of porportion for any kind of upside it could give.

83 tripletdad  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:46:59pm

I can't see how this could possibly be seen as anything other than a negative for The One, even if it's a lie. If it's true, it looks bad for 0bama, and if it's found she's actually working for 0bama it looks bad for him, too. Somebody help me think this through...

84 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:47:09pm

re: #61 Teacake!

In this video, they mentioned that it was on the right side of the face, which means the picture wasn't flipped.

85 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:47:11pm

I think he's doing a Cheney. Biden's at a secret undisclosed location wearing a muzzle in case BusHitler has it bugged.

86 bcgirl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:47:14pm

this absoultly sucks if it did really happen and sucks even more if that is possible because it reduces us the the level of them, if you know what i mean, no mattere how much we want to act like spoiled brats, we cannot, it is just too serious to be gaming like this

87 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:47:42pm

re: #67 PAgirlinNC

Great... the media is going to have a field day with this for two reasons if it turns out to be hoax. First because said she was attacked for having a McCain sticker on her car and second because she said her attacker was black...

But, if it is a hoax, the police need to prosecute her.

What if it's "fake but accurate"?

(i.e., she really got mugged, but embellished things a bit afterwards for some other reason?)

88 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:01pm

re: #83 tripletdad

I can't see how this could possibly be seen as anything other than a negative for The One, even if it's a lie. If it's true, it looks bad for 0bama, and if it's found she's actually working for 0bama it looks bad for him, too. Somebody help me think this through...

If she is a McCain supporter who did this to bring sympathy towards McCain, that's not good for McCain.

89 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:21pm

re: #70 looking closely

That was a really wierod case.

90 CIA Reject  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:23pm

re: #77 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I sense some racial subtleties in your statement.

/

Is that the same thing as a "rhetorical flourish"?

91 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:24pm

re: #83 tripletdad

I can't see how this could possibly be seen as anything other than a negative for The One, even if it's a lie. If it's true, it looks bad for 0bama, and if it's found she's actually working for 0bama it looks bad for him, too. Somebody help me think this through...

Anyway you cut it, you got to ask yourself, is this any good for Michelle's kids?

92 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:25pm

re: #79 looking closely

I second that.
That is simply not the injury you'd expect from the described scenario.

I'll say it again, it doesn't even look "scratched." It looks like it was drawn with a light lipstick or rouge. It sits right on the surface of her skin. Even if she scratched that, there would be a bit more scrapped skin then what we see, which is nothing.

93 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:29pm

re: #87 Dar ul Harb

What if it's "fake but accurate"?

(i.e., she really got mugged, but embellished things a bit afterwards for some other reason?)

Then its still fake.

94 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:30pm
95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:39pm

re: #71 Oldasdirt

Howdy Ozark,Has Bowtox head been talking again?

Crap, forgot to click on the quote button, Oldasdirt!

I think he's doing a Cheney. Biden's at a secret undisclosed location wearing a muzzle in case BusHitler has it bugged.

96 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:39pm

re: #80 swamprat

Why not use an "O" for Obama? It would make more sense and would be easier to draw. I find it doubtful that an attacker would take the time to do this in a parking lot next to an ATM. The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

97 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:47pm

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

People can theorize about the placement and shape of the B, but how do you explain the black eye?

1. She faked that, too, by make-up or getting a real bruise.

2. She was attacked then added a fake B to her injuries.

98 n in wi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:57pm

Is the B-Girl Obama's answer to Joe The Plumber?

99 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:48:59pm

re: #83 tripletdad

I asked my mom whether the local news in Philadelphia had reported it. They hadn't. You'd think they would, given it happened in the state. So it might not be bad for anyone if it's not reported very widely and it's a lie.

100 jemima  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:08pm

There are at least four possibilities. 1) it happened as Ashley said. 2) some guy did it to her and she needed a cover story 3) she did it to herself in which case she requires compassion and a mental health professional 4) she works for the Obama camp and they want to use this against the right.

Since we're speculating wildly I'm sure there are lots more theories but the dvd of White Christmas is waiting for me.

101 bcgirl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:11pm

i meant to say it sucks more if it did not happen for reducing our side to the level of theirs, sorry

102 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:49:15pm

Fox's anchor repeated that they were unable to confirm the story.

103 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:50:13pm

Has the Russell /Murtha poll been beat to death here yet?

104 n in wi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

People can theorize about the placement and shape of the B, but how do you explain the black eye?

Socialist eye

105 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:50:36pm

Let's all carve backwards B's into our faces in solidarity.
/

106 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:50:39pm

While the B does look suspicious, giving oneself a black eye might be more difficult. I'm not suggesting that it wouldn't be possible, but rather that it would be difficult to muster up the cajones to wind up and whack yourself in the eye socket.

107 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:09pm

re: #95 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Good to see ya,,got to run off for about 20 min.s to do an either net connection test..Hope your still here when i get back.

108 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:26pm

re: #106 ClosetConservative

You can go for the schnoz, too, and hope the result isn't 2 black eyes!

109 bcgirl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:29pm

backwards B for backwards policy

110 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #97 HelloDare

1. She faked that, too, by make-up or getting a real bruise.

2. She was attacked then added a fake B to her injuries.

The story may be much more prosaic.
She got in a fight with someone and got the black eye.
Maybe her boyfriend hit her. . .maybe someone else.
Maybe drugs or alcohol were involved.
Embarassed, she came up with this cockamamie story hoping to deflect the real truth, and maybe even score some sympathy points.

111 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:41pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Let's all carve backwards B's into our faces in solidarity.
/

I AM B

112 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:44pm

re: #41 CapeCoddah

Something sounds fishy to me, also. If I were mugged and mutilated, I would call/go to the police immediately. Not go home and photograph myself.
O/T a fantastic summation of why McCain/Palin is the right choice. This one hits the left right between the eyes.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Wow! thank you for posting that. I loved it. Very refreshing.

Upding!

113 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:51:59pm

re: #103 ArmyWife

Has the Russell /Murtha poll been beat to death here yet?

Mentioned, but not beaten. Which one do you mean? The 13-point one or the 4-point one?

114 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:01pm

I wonder how Sarah Palin's Beaver rally is going.

115 n in wi  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:17pm

re: #100 jemima

There are at least four possibilities. 1) it happened as Ashley said. 2) some guy did it to her and she needed a cover story 3) she did it to herself in which case she requires compassion and a mental health professional 4) she works for the Obama camp and they want to use this against the right.

Since we're speculating wildly I'm sure there are lots more theories but the dvd of White Christmas is waiting for me.

3&4 both require a mental health proffesional

116 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:43pm

re: #114 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I wonder how Sarah Palin's Beaver rally is going.

Beaver, PA. sorry.

117 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:46pm

re: #114 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I wonder how Sarah Palin's Beaver rally is going.

Gee that could be taken so many ways?

118 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:47pm

re: #73 arethusa

Yep, me too, about the 24-48 hour rule. It begged more investigation of it from the beginning to me.

And I'm suspicious of the timing - the robbery began at 8:50, and she didn't call the local LEOs until 9:30? Robberies and assaults are quick by nature. The longer they're drawn out, the more chance the robber will get caught.

If I'd been robbed and assaulted in this way, I'd have called 911 within a few seconds after the dirtbag ran away.

119 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:48pm

Has anyone seen coverage of 'Prairie Wildfire' on the news today? I made a point of sending it to O'Reilly yesterday and I'd like to see if it got any play. It seems to me that it's awfully important to know just what Ayers' stances and views are, if not for his connection to Obama than for his effect on his students. Although I'm sure there are much worse teaching in our school system.

120 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:56pm

re: #110 looking closely

The story may be much more prosaic.
She got in a fight with someone and got the black eye.
Maybe her boyfriend hit her. . .maybe someone else.
Maybe drugs or alcohol were involved.
Embarassed, she came up with this cockamamie story hoping to deflect the real truth, and maybe even score some sympathy points.

That's more possible than anything else.

121 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:52:57pm

Backwards B? Not So Much

October 23, 2008
Yes, I mentioned this myself. I now realize it's idiotic.

For one thing, the image could be flipped.

For another thing, she could have taken a picture of herself in a mirror.

For a third -- if she were on her back, her head held by the attacker's left arm below her chin, her head between his legs as he scratched -- she'd be upside down as oriented to him.

You know what that would end up looking like?

(See picture in above link)

Not backwards at all, that's how it would look.

This speculation is silly.

Others have made this point, but Devil's Advocate at Copious Dissent took the simple step of turning the picture upside down to graphically demonstrate how ridiculous it is to keep talking about the backwards B.

There are so many sensible explanations for this that to cry "hoax" over this one point is silly.

122 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:04pm

"OMG a black man robbed me and cut me because I like McCain!" sets off all kinds of warning bells. We are expected to believe that a common street thief is going to stick around and play Zorro-bama on a girl's face because of a bumper sticker? You'd think that he'd want to run away after he got the money, for starters.

"Ehew, pardon me, miss richass little white bitch, but I do so desperately need your $60 for crack cocaine. And do I see that you like McCain and Palin? I am shocked and dismayed, and now I shall knock the shit out of you and cut your face. En garde!"

/

123 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:15pm

re: #116 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Beaver, PA. sorry.

Gotta admit, my heart skipped a beat there.

124 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:16pm

re: #106 ClosetConservative

Have you ever had a black eye? If it's real, she took one hell of a shot to get it to cross over to the other eye like that. But I'd guess that injury is about a week old. I real good black eye like that would be almost swollen shut for about the first 2-3 days.

125 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:25pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Gee that could be taken so many ways?

See my #116.
/

126 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:40pm

"Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ..."

TMZ is a celebrity gossip site.

This is their page title:

"TMZ is your official site for entertainment news, celebrity gossip, Hollywood rumors, celebrity video and photo galleries."


If we're all going to spread rumors and gossip, then let's call it rumors and gossip.

127 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:53:47pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Gee that could be taken so many ways?

I already did, great image in my mind! That woke me up!

128 Nuclear Ninja  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:54:19pm

Maybe she was attacked by Randi Rhodes?

129 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:54:27pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Gee that could be taken so many ways?

Now there's an in-you-end-o.

130 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:54:31pm

seen it before ...her old man beat her up ...how's she gonna explain it at work?

131 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:54:36pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

I already did, great image in my mind! That woke me up!

You're welcome! : )

132 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:54:48pm

re: #113 arethusa

13 on Michelle Malkin. I don't put a lot of stock in polls, but wouldn't this be some great schadenfrued!

133 Nevergiveup  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:02pm

re: #125 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

See my #116.
/

Yeah, I saw. I gotta get my mind out of the gutter.

134 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:03pm

re: #41 CapeCoddah

Something sounds fishy to me, also. If I were mugged and mutilated, I would call/go to the police immediately. Not go home and photograph myself.
O/T a fantastic summation of why McCain/Palin is the right choice. This one hits the left right between the eyes.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Great Video - Cuts No Slack

135 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:17pm

Will this story have more legs because it's false?

It will be interesting to see what will happen.

136 QueenEsther  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:23pm

aren't bruised eyes usually swollen, even a bit?

137 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:35pm

re: #87 Dar ul Harb

What if it's "fake but accurate"?

(i.e., she really got mugged, but embellished things a bit afterwards for some other reason?)

She should be prosecuted for lying to police. If the robbery really happened I don't know why she would want to jeopordize the prosecution of the perpetrator by embellishing and ruining her credibility. Then again, if she's mentally unstable.... who knows.

138 BignJames  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:37pm

re: #128 Nuclear Ninja

Maybe she was attacked by Randi Rhodes?

Maybe they're drinking buds.

139 WinterCat  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:55:38pm

re: #101 bcgirl

Keep in mind that race baiting hoaxes happen to both sides. The more I look at the photo of the B and the black eye the fakier it looks to me. But even if it is proven to be real (and I'd take odds on that one) what does it say about McCain or Obama? Nothing really. It does say that there are desperate and psychotic attention seeking people who attach themselves to political causes. But usually they are the ones who are running for office.

141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:04pm

re: #128 Nuclear Ninja

Maybe she was attacked by Randi Rhodes?

Ozzie's guitarist? He died years ago. Plane crashed into the tour bus.
/

142 bcgirl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:17pm

caught that one silly boy ;-)
re: #114 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I wonder how Sarah Palin's Beaver rally is going.

143 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

OT

I hate Earthlink. I hate it when their service goes down; I hate it when they tell me it will take days to fix.

And I really hate dial-up.

I hate hominey! With a passion. Oh, and those "Head On" commercials. And any of those "J G Wentworth" commercials. And the "Scooter Store" commercials where the older folks sing "You make me love you".

144 Nuclear Ninja  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:23pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Looks like it might be smeared mascara if not a black eye, however, the latest updates at Hotair say she did go to the hospital and get an MRI, I think the MD might have noticed if she had mascara smeared on her face and not a shiner.

145 BignJames  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #136 QueenEsther

aren't bruised eyes usually swollen, even a bit?


Usually bloodshot, too.

146 loflyer  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:56:50pm

Evening mates, you can bet the media will play up this story with the enthusiasm as the they buried the Missouri sheriff's and D.A's attempt to arrest and jail anyone who advertised an "un-truthful" Obama add. Not fair, not balanced, but total BS. The media is banking on Obama saving them from lots of questions on their ethics after this election.

147 Truck Monkey  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:57:00pm

I'd say that this doesn't help "The One" unless we are start conjuring up our own conspiracy theories. I do think it a bit odd that the girl would give herself a shiner though. She was probably robbed and then scratched the backwards B on her face so she could catch 15 minutes of fame?

148 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Have you ever had a black eye? If it's real, she took one hell of a shot to get it to cross over to the other eye like that. But I'd guess that injury is about a week old. I real good black eye like that would be almost swollen shut for about the first 2-3 days.

Only if she was boxing with the ATM robber.

I've had two black eyes with no swelling whatsoever after falling in a way that struck the bridge of my nose.

The blood pooled under both eyes (not equally, but they were both black.)

If he had hit her like a boxer, a lot of her facial bones would have broken.

Roughing her up could have caused her to bleed under the eyes without swelling depending on how she was hit.

149 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:57:28pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Have you ever had a black eye? If it's real, she took one hell of a shot to get it to cross over to the other eye like that. But I'd guess that injury is about a week old. I real good black eye like that would be almost swollen shut for about the first 2-3 days.

That's why it looks like make up to me. If it was real, there would be some redness in the viens in the eye, swelling for sure, her cheeks would not be so rosey, as I believe blood would rush to the broken and wounded vessels around the eye, and there would certainly be more blood infiltration that what I see.

The nose show no indication of any compression to that area of her face and as you mention, the small mark on her right eye is strange.

150 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:57:32pm

re: #132 ArmyWife

13 on Michelle Malkin. I don't put a lot of stock in polls, but wouldn't this be some great schadenfrued!

I like it too - there was a link on Drudge earlier to a poll that Murtha was up by 4. But that's within the MOE.

Weren't you meeting someone from the AFL/CIO today?

151 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:26pm

re: #122 Pawn of the Oppressor

Zorro-Bama! I love it.

152 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:31pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again, it doesn't even look "scratched." It looks like it was drawn with a light lipstick or rouge. It sits right on the surface of her skin. Even if she scratched that, there would be a bit more scrapped skin then what we see, which is nothing.

Police observers confirmed the injuries as being real. It isn't makeup.

153 tripletdad  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:36pm

Anyone publicly opposing The One risks the dreaded Full Anal Exam of Big Media, even if you're not at fault. Either way, she's in for a lot more pain.

154 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:58:57pm

re: #100 jemima

There are at least four possibilities. 1) it happened as Ashley said. 2) some guy did it to her and she needed a cover story 3) she did it to herself in which case she requires compassion and a mental health professional 4) she works for the Obama camp and they want to use this against the right.

Since we're speculating wildly I'm sure there are lots more theories but the dvd of White Christmas is waiting for me.

One of my favorites, and a must see at Christmas time. Also included in this group is "Christmas in Connecticut" with Barbara Stanwyck.

155 planes86  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:25pm

I don't want to call someone a liar without proof, but i am skeptical.

If you look at her twitter page most of her posts are random little things, but on the night in question she posts:

#This traffic in pittsburgh needs to go away!
Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:04:06 +0000

#Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees.
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:23:21 +0000

#Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of pittsburgh
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:45:59 +0000

#Oh the blog I will be making soon... Its been a rough night
Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:52:58 +0000

She was drawing attention to the event and what she was doing before anything happened. If I am wrong and this was real I apologize in advance

156 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:26pm

Why would she give herself a socialist eye?

157 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:53pm

re: #152 Scion9

Police observers confirmed the injuries as being real. It isn't makeup.

I may be wrong, it just looks very minor compared to the story of the attack. Link please.

158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 5:59:59pm

re: #142 bcgirl

caught that one silly boy ;-)

Now, now, see my #116. I only meant it one way! ; )

159 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:00:21pm

re: #155 planes86

That "setting the table" blog was what really made me skeptical.

160 middlecon  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:00:21pm

Again I don't think this could 'help' anyone? Are people really going to change their vote because one nut job criminal did something crazy to someone because they were a McCain supporter?

Someone please tell me even if it were 100% true what kind of points would it get?

Its not a 'game changer' either way. Anyone disagree?

161 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:00:41pm

re: #155 planes86

She was drawing attention to the event and what she was doing before anything happened. If I am wrong and this was real I apologize in advance

Yes, someone on twitter trying to draw attention to themselves and their mundane actions is certainly unusual.

/sacrasm

162 Gus 802  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:00:54pm

Jake Tapper picks this up from TMZ in 3, 2, 1...

/Twitter

163 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:01:15pm

re: #153 tripletdad

Anyone publicly opposing The One risks the dreaded Full Anal Exam of Big Media, even if you're not at fault. Either way, she's in for a lot more pain.

Speaking of that, I wonder how Sarah Pal...never mind.

164 Nuclear Ninja  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:01:33pm

re: #141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He was reincarnated as a leftwing mental case for Air America, apparently.

165 bcgirl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:01:53pm

re: #153 tripletdad

Anyone publicly opposing The One risks the dreaded Full Anal Exam of Big Media, even if you're not at fault. Either way, she's in for a lot more pain.


now that is for sure

166 kansas  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:03:35pm

I don't know what happened here, but the fact is if this were some Obama campaign worker there would be no god damned questions at all.

167 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:04:36pm

re: #128 Nuclear Ninja

Maybe she was attacked by Randi Rhodes?

Nah - Randi would have just puked all over her and then fell down on top of her, having passed out while calling Hillary Clinton vile names.

168 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:06:18pm

Rumors and gossip are fun and all, but let's try to remember that this young woman isn't a multi-millionaire living in Beverly Hills with publicists and managers to help her deal with being torn apart nationally.

Perhaps rumors and gossip ought to be tempered even when it seems fun.

169 Racer X  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:07:43pm

No way!

A nutjob on the right? Entirely possible.

I'll match the QUANTITY of left wing nutjobs to those on the right any day. Gotta be about a million-to-one.

170 ArmyWife  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:07:52pm

re: #150 arethusa

Yes - and I survived it. It was actually a good meeting. Unrelated to the meeting topic, there was an International rep from the Steel Workers who commented that he wished his company rep looked like me. The pres from the local that represents our employees looked at him and said "Wait until she opens her mouth". As a show of gratitude for that little display, I put my McCain/Palin magnet on his car. I am pretty sure he didn't notice, but the funniest thing was when I got home and walked around the back of my car etched in the dust was "Obama/Biden!" and a smiley face. I can't wait for his reaction when he discovers the magnet and realizes we were both thinking the exact same thing, only different candidates!

171 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:07:54pm

re: #136 QueenEsther

aren't bruised eyes usually swollen, even a bit?

Yes, especially when they're not even 24 hours old. She supposedly took the picture soon after the assault took place. The fact that she has no tissue swelling around her eye, nor does she have any redness in the white of her eye.

172 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:08:36pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Gee that could be taken so many ways?

/I'm goin' ta hell fer sure!

173 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:09:17pm

I sat as a juror in an murder rape case.
One of the three men sat astride her head from above, using his heels to kick her in the ribs while he held her arms up over her head.
You could see his heels marks on her broken ribcage.
Seams of his HUGE gang banger overalls left marks on her face.
He is on death row.
So, I'd be inclined to believe this girl.
I'd like some more details of how it happened.
But the idea that he was facing toward her feet as he held her arms down with his legs and carved her would work.

174 Archimedes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:09:45pm

re: #171 Intrepid

Yes, especially when they're not even 24 hours old. She supposedly took the picture soon after the assault took place. The fact that she has no tissue swelling around her eye, nor does she have any redness in the white of her eye.

I see very definite swelling. Compare the right/left eye sizes.

175 arethusa  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:18pm

re: #170 ArmyWife

Yes - and I survived it. It was actually a good meeting. Unrelated to the meeting topic, there was an International rep from the Steel Workers who commented that he wished his company rep looked like me. The pres from the local that represents our employees looked at him and said "Wait until she opens her mouth". As a show of gratitude for that little display, I put my McCain/Palin magnet on his car. I am pretty sure he didn't notice, but the funniest thing was when I got home and walked around the back of my car etched in the dust was "Obama/Biden!" and a smiley face. I can't wait for his reaction when he discovers the magnet and realizes we were both thinking the exact same thing, only different candidates!

Sounds like you've met the Obamaniac equivalent of you! (We all have one. Yin and yang, etc.)

176 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

I may be wrong, it just looks very minor compared to the story of the attack. Link please.

Ys, we've established that you need it to be fake. Can we move on from that point, please?

177 Egfrow  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:11:11pm

If I remember correctly Son of Sam and Jeffery Donner had similar reactions when so called Officials said they were 'skeptical' of the arrested suspects. In fact Police let one of Jeffery Donner's victims go back into the Killers hands and was later killed. They were skeptical also. So who are these "Officials"

178 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:14:37pm

If she had been punched in the eye, it would be swollen. It's not. That in itself is rather telling but I'm not an expert. Innocent until proven guilty.

179 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:15:57pm

It's in the original story from the Pittsburgh paper. The reason we know a B was 'carved' into her face and that she was beaten was because the police spokeswoman released a statement saying as such.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I would think that before the cops released a statement saying that a B was carved into her face, they would at least look to see that the injury wasn't painted on. It was also reported that she was treated by EMTs. At this point, we would at least know if it was makeup.

180 Scion9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:17:21pm

re: #178 Maui Girl

If she had been punched in the eye, it would be swollen. It's not. That in itself is rather telling but I'm not an expert. Innocent until proven guilty.

Looks swollen to me.

181 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:18:25pm

TMZ said the Police said - isn't this heresay? gossip?

182 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:18:26pm

Obamabots are leaving some pleasant comments on her twitter blog.

183 Archimedes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:18:30pm

About the backwards B, there is such a thing as dyslexia. Just a thought.

184 Happy Fun Ball  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:20:52pm

re: #183 Archimedes

About the backwards B, there is such a thing as dyslexia. Just a thought.

Or what may be a backwards B to us could represent something entirely different to the attacker. A gang symbol perhaps?

185 Egfrow  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:21:01pm

re: #183 Archimedes

About the backwards B, there is such a thing as dyslexia. Just a thought.

It's not backwards if he is standing above her with his feet at her head from his point of view it's right side up. If you have a victim down on the ground this is the best position to subdue a victim on the ground with a knife and prevents him from being kicked

186 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:23:35pm

When this young woman woke up yesterday, I doubt that she had any idea that a close up photograph of her face without makeup (thus showing every flaw that has ever existed on her face including a future "B" mark) would go viral and that she would be the object of rumor and gossip all over the internet.

Is this really what's important to be doing 12 days before the election?

187 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:23:58pm

Where'n the heck is Alfred E. Newman when you need him ?

188 abolitionist  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:24:03pm

re: #183 Archimedes

About the backwards B, there is such a thing as dyslexia. Just a thought.

Ok, try this. Go to a mirror and draw a B on your cheek.
/just another thought

189 Colonel Panik  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:24:31pm

I think this post on Michelle Malkin's blog sums up my feelings about this event and the skepticism being expressed:


With all due respect, Michelle, if you are wrong an apology is not going to begin to cover the fallout.

I’ll bet, right now, the far left blogs are dismissing this as a hoax, and pointing out the fact that even the right does not believe this is legitimate, using your post as a reference.

We have all seen our share of fake hate crimes. And a healthy skepticism is a good thing. But, with that said, that skepticism does not need to take the form of an up front dismissal of the report. Could have said “initial reports subject to firther investigation”, or something along those lines.

If it turns out that this is legitimate, it is doubtful the word of that will get out as far and wide as the reports doubting the validity of the claim.

For those that think the “B” is backwards, it is not. To a perpetrator standing over her head with her feet facing away from him, the “B” is properly drawn.

To those that question the time it took, this was an armed robbery. The beating occurred after the robber followed her to her car after she ran away. Perhaps he was looking to steal the car as well. Perhaps he was planning a rape in addition to the robbery. These things take a lot less time than people believe. And trying to apply rational thought to an irrational event is utter folly.

ATM’s do have cameras. Criminals know this. With a seasoned criminal, chances are the robbery will not take place in front of a camera.

The woman was a volunteer from Texas. She had no clue where she was. And if you have ever been to Pittsburgh, it is easy to get lost. And there are lots of wrong places to get lost in.

She got the hell out of there instead of calmly calling the police. Can’t say I blame her. If the guy followed her after taking her money, staying to wait for the police was not a good idea.

No, all of the facts are not in. The police have just started their investigation. We will wait and see.

But, if it turns out this happened as she said, an apology is not going to cut it.

190 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:26:22pm

re: #187 Cutty Sark

Where'n the heck is Alfred E. Newman when you need him ?

Ahem.............

191 Hobbes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:26:59pm

OT:

My God, Sarah is such a clever person. On Hannity, just now, when the topic of Ayrs etal. was raised she turned it around and suggested that the real question is, "What do you suppose people like Ayrs and others of his ilk find interesting about Obama?" I Love Her.

192 sngnsgt  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:27:46pm

CBS report exclusive photo.

193 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:28:09pm

re: #136 QueenEsther

aren't bruised eyes usually swollen, even a bit?


Not necessarily.
The tissue around the eyes is very loose so any bruise to the area can cause blood to pool there and make the "black eye".
You can even get bilateral black eyes with one shot.

194 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:30:24pm

re: #185 Egfrow

It's not backwards if he is standing above her with his feet at her head from his point of view it's right side up. If you have a victim down on the ground this is the best position to subdue a victim on the ground with a knife and prevents him from being kicked

Who are you people? LOL.

195 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:35:17pm

re: #189 Colonel Panik

I think this post on Michelle Malkin's blog sums up my feelings about this event and the skepticism being expressed:

Thank you.

Also, TMZ is a rumor and gossip site.

Taking their "reporting" seriously on anything is a little bit weird.

Especially here.

196 notutopia  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #32 Piglet-U93

You may want to read it again.
Know thy enemy. Obama has read it.

197 Archimedes  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:38:35pm

re: #185 Egfrow

It's not backwards if he is standing above her with his feet at her head from his point of view it's right side up. If you have a victim down on the ground this is the best position to subdue a victim on the ground with a knife and prevents him from being kicked

This immediately came to my mind as well. He is probably much taller than her, so he could have leaned over her and scraped the B in that way.

198 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:44:57pm

#190


what ?

199 yochanan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:46:32pm

well i got verbally attacked for wearing a MCCAIN/PALIN hat got called a fascist, racist, and stupid by 3 different libs in Evanston and heard another obama supporter say republicans should be exterminated. hopefully it was metaphysically.

200 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:48:22pm

Drudge Blare: Story Up, Awful but Oversold if True, and Looking Sketchy Besides
Update: Photo Out, and Story Looking Less Sketchy

Hot Air has more, and now a photo. It's looking more likely true. She's on the record by her name, and...


As Slublog points out, it seems very difficult for someone to give herself a black eye.

Just thinking about it, I'm pondering the high chances of crushing my eyeball in attempting to fake such a bruise. I think about slamming my eye into a doorknob, and then I have to stop thinking about it.

With that I'll stop speculating. Now that I have a name, a face, and a visible black eye it's harder to speculate this was faked. If this happened, which is likely, she needs support and sympathy, not skepticism and speculation.

I'll just chill personally and wait for the police to do their jobs.

...

Story's up. It doesn't seem premeditated or motivated, firstly, by politics.

But the political anger at seeing a McCain bumper sticker caused the mugger to become enraged.

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.
Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.


Update: Context from a native. It's a high-crime area, but it's also highly trafficked.

CA: just so you know that's a really high traffic area right on the edge of a really bad part of town and oddly enough, it's where they filmed a lot of that movie 10th & Wolf
me: thanks
does the fact it's a high traffic area make this seem more unlikely?

CA: bit of both
a lot of that traffic is sketchy
we're all surprised it happened at 9PM
that's pretty early
but there's a lot of bars and restaurants around there
I used to work 3 blocks away, and there were shootings in that area like every month
so the idea someone would be mugging people isn't totally inconceivable in that area

Kind of a wash.

There must be cameras around this area, though, and not only at the bank -- I'm getting very frigging suspicious that there's not a single image of this attack yet.

More: Garfield, as this neighborhood is called, is in fact a high crime area.

More on that:

CA [Pittsburgh native]: ok my friend lives down the street from that ATM
he says it's been hit before, and someone got shot in the head there


Correction: This happened in Bloomfield, not Garfield. But this area borders on Garfield, which is the high-crime area, and muggings often spill over into Bloomfield.


...


Original post follows:

No story yet -- not sure if it's legit.

Republican hate.

Catch the fever.

A reader points out:

"Get in their faces."

I seem to remember the insistence that McCain and Palin were responsible for the words their "incitements" caused.

Edited: Earlier notes of skepticism deleted for three reasons:

1, doubts are mostly gone now that I see the picture.

2, the police will do their jobs, and it's unfair to speculate about the victim of a crime.

3, if my quotoes remain, CNN will quote me when they say "Even conservatives smell a hoax..." CNN only quotes conservative blogs when they make points helpful to the liberal cause. I've been quoted there three times and it's always been to attack Republicans. They've never once found me quite so interesting when I'm, say, noting Barack Obama's unprecedented voter and donor fraud.

201 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:49:51pm

I don't know if this incident was real or not, but I can say the following:

Every similar incident that I know of (and I can think of at least five separate high-profile ones off of the top of my head) turned out to be a hoax. That doesn't mean this one definitely is, but I am understandably skeptical.

Sometimes the lie isn't so much to discredit someone in particular or even score sympathy points, as it is to try to wiggle out of a highly embarrassing personal situation (eg Tawana Brawley, Randi Rhodes).

Police are accustomed to sniffing out the truth among a web of lies, and there aren't a lot of liars accomplished enough to pull off a complicated hoax or knowledgeable enough to fool the experts. Inconsistencies in the story or with the physical evidence usually give away the game.

In this case, of course there should be a thorough investigation and this woman should be given the benefit of the doubt until its over. I do trust that the truth will come out shortly (if it hasn't already).

202 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:52:27pm

So, for all of you thinking the black eye is fake, why didn't the doctors pick up on this during the MRI/CAT scan?

203 stevieray  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #197 Archimedes

This immediately came to my mind as well. He is probably much taller than her, so he could have leaned over her and scraped the B in that way.

Picture this:

He hits her and knocks her down. She gets up to run away and he grabs the collar of her shirt to stop her. He wraps his left arm around her neck, with her chin in the crook of his elbow , and pulls her against his body. He slightly lifts his left elbow, and she is facing up into his face, with her toes barely on the ground, giving her no leverage.

It would be easy to hold her still and mark her face, and her face would be upside down from his perspective.

204 looking closely  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:56:05pm

re: #200 gmsc

As Slublog points out, it seems very difficult for someone to give herself a black eye.

Just thinking about it, I'm pondering the high chances of crushing my eyeball in attempting to fake such a bruise. I think about slamming my eye into a doorknob, and then I have to stop thinking about it.

Being Devil's advocate, she could have gotten it any number of other ways (fight, fall, abuse), then decided to embellish things with the story.

Again, I don't know what happened here, I am just saying that a real black eye doesn't by itself validate the story. (Of course it doesn't invalidate it either).

205 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:03:23pm

The black-eye is for real , the rest is B.S. including the "B " ......she got punched-out fo sho , the only question I have is : was it her old man or her boyfreind .
It's obvious the "B" was added to validate "the story " .

And I can hear the wind , as the internet sucks it up .

206 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:07:47pm

re: #205 Cutty Sark

The black-eye is for real , the rest is B.S. including the "B " ......she got punched-out fo sho , the only question I have is : was it her old man or her boyfreind .
It's obvious the "B" was added to validate "the story " .

What you're saying is rumor and gossip.

It's not allowed on LGF.

207 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:11:15pm

Let's wait for the facts to come in.

This young woman is innocent until proven guilty.

208 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:21:55pm

What facts ? The story itself is heresay . In fact it's not even a story . If there was no mention of being a campaigner for a political party 12 days before an election , the furthest it ever would have went was the police logs .


It's a non-story , a non-event , and whether or not I believe it, or give it credence , is just as irrelevant .

But I'm gettin' rid of my McCain bumper sticker , lest these guys from Pittsburgh come after me .

209 arizona9  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:22:20pm

This stinks to high heaven and if proven so, I'd like to really beat the living crap out of her. I'm female so it would be a fair fight. But, she'd seriously have it coming since all this does is damage McCain. We can see the headlines now, 'McCain nut is racist!'...'conservatives play Brawley card, hate black people' But, most infuriating is the fact that real assaults of this kind will now be doubted. Aside from the fact that the knife wounds are very superficial and backwards(it's hard to believe that a crazed attacker would take such tender care), there is the expression on her face in the pic. To me, it doesn't exactly read brutalized victim. And, what the f is she doing running home, taking a photo of herself and posting it on the web? These are her priorities? I'd be curled up in a ball, traumatized. It if does turn out to be true, I'll apologize. If not, the line to smack her forms behind me.

210 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:25:25pm

re: #208 Cutty Sark

What facts ?

Gee, awhile ago, you claimed to have all the facts in this case (except for deciding yourself whether her father or her boyfriend had hit her, without knowing whether she has either one.)

What right do you have to act as judge and jury for this young woman?

What you're saying is rumor and gossip.

She is innocent until proven guilty.

211 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:27:04pm

re: #205 Cutty Sark

The black-eye is for real , the rest is B.S. including the "B " ......she got punched-out fo sho , the only question I have is : was it her old man or her boyfreind .
It's obvious the "B" was added to validate "the story " .

And I can hear the wind , as the internet sucks it up .

Maybe that's the righteous wind behind you.

212 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:28:29pm

re: #210 Adina in Judea

Gee, awhile ago, you claimed to have all the facts in this case (except for deciding yourself whether her father or her boyfriend had hit her, without knowing whether she has either one.)

What right do you have to act as judge and jury for this young woman?

What you're saying is rumor and gossip.

She is innocent until proven guilty.

Now, now Adina. This woman is a McCain supporter, therefore she's not allowed any presumption of innocence. That's a privilege reserved only for elites and democrats.

213 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:28:36pm

re: #209 arizona9

And, what the f is she doing running home, taking a photo of herself and posting it on the web?

The photo isn't on her Twitter site.

It's on other people's sites (and it's a horrible picture of her.)

The photo on her site shows her as looking a lot nicer.

What 20 year old girl do you know wants a horrible photo of her with no makeup to be spread around the world rather than a nice photo where she has taken pains to look as good as she can?

214 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:31:04pm

re: #202 gmsc

So, for all of you thinking the black eye is fake, why didn't the doctors pick up on this during the MRI/CAT scan?

I haven't seen any evidence that any such examination ever took place, other than what she claims. I'm not sure the black eye is even real.

I no longer believe a word of this story and I'm really pissed.

215 WayDownSouthInBama  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:40:37pm

You can bet all of those people who were looking for dirt on Palin have moved to the driveways of the Doctors who looked at this young woman. They will move back to Alaska if her wounds turn out to be real and it will be the last you hear of this from the MSM. On the other hand,if it turns out her wounds are fake and this turns out to be a hoax,we will see it on page one from now until election day. It's a sad statement on the state of politics in our nation today either way this one turns out.

216 gmsc  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:41:47pm

Just think, before the end of the week, we'll have more media examination of Ashley Todd than we've had of Barack Obama in the past 2 years.

217 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:50:57pm

re: #216 gmsc

Just think, before the end of the week, we'll have more media examination of Ashley Todd than we've had of Barack Obama in the past 2 years.

She has no idea what she's gotten herself into.

Even if the attack was real, she'll wish she'd never even thought of publicizing it.

218 tradewind  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:51:46pm

TMZ (for ' Thirty Mile Zone') is hardly a credible source itself, since it's a Hollywood gossip rag that loves it some BHO to death.
Not saying what the real story is, but TMZ is far less credible than Drudge, and they have an agenda.

219 Semi Cartman  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 7:56:39pm

re: #202 gmsc
The shiner looks real, the calligraphy doen't match the story. Non story? It aready has national press, and silly small events have scary implications when they are given a political flavor a week before an election. Stories like this one almost always have really banal backgrounds, silly and embarassing to the subject. I'll let the cops do their work, then read the truth tomorrow and forget it.

220 Throbert McGee  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:06:37pm

re: #203 stevieray

He hits her and knocks her down. She gets up to run away and he grabs the collar of her shirt to stop her. He wraps his left arm around her neck, with her chin in the crook of his elbow , and pulls her against his body. He slightly lifts his left elbow, and she is facing up into his face, with her toes barely on the ground, giving her no leverage.

It would be easy to hold her still and mark her face

Easy to MARK her face, yes!

But NOT EASY to make such a perfectly-formed "B" with neat, symmetrical curves. Under the circumstances described, one might expect to see something looking a bit more like this:

Σl

That is, an angular, rune-like "B" made out of five straight scratches, rather than one straight scratch and two tidy curves.

221 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:07:54pm

re #211 & 212


Like I said , "Where's Alfred E. Newman , when you need him " ?

222 Throbert McGee  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:19:04pm

re: #180 Scion9

Looks swollen to me.

I've had sties that caused more eyelid-swelling than that.

223 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:31:21pm

re: #220 Throbert McGee

Oh, for heaven's sake.

But NOT EASY to make such a perfectly-formed "B" with neat, symmetrical curves. Under the circumstances described, one might expect to see something looking a bit more like this:

Σl

That is, an angular, rune-like "B" made out of five straight scratches, rather than one straight scratch and two tidy curves.

Take a key and write a "B" with it on your arm or your leg. Notice how you can make the curves for the "B" because you're not cutting your arm or your leg like a piece of cake.

Scratching makes round letters possible.

It's more difficult to slice a piece of cake into round slices.

What is wrong with people?!?

224 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:31:55pm

re: #212 gmsc

Now, now Adina. This woman is a McCain supporter, therefore she's not allowed any presumption of innocence. That's a privilege reserved only for elites and democrats.

No kidding!

Thanks.

225 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:33:31pm

re: #222 Throbert McGee

I've had sties that caused more eyelid-swelling than that.

Do all your bruises swell up?

Mine don't.

If I bump my arm, I get a bruise. It's flat.

If she was banged around enough to cause bleeding near her eyes, then blood would tend to pool underneath them. No swelling would be necessary.

226 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #216 gmsc

Just think, before the end of the week, we'll have more media examination of Ashley Todd than we've had of Barack Obama in the past 2 years.

Precisely!

If they don't get her medical records, they'll scream bloody murder although they let Obama off with a one page note from his doctor.

227 Throbert McGee  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:52:03pm

re: #223 Adina in Judea

Take a key and write a "B" with it on your arm or your leg. Notice how you can make the curves for the "B" because you're not cutting your arm or your leg like a piece of cake. Scratching makes round letters possible.

But I didn't say it was impossible under ANY circumstances to scratch a neat, curved "B" into a person's skin, did I?

I said, rather, that it was impossible under the circumstances described by the alleged victim.

228 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 8:54:31pm

re: #227 Throbert McGee

But I didn't say it was impossible under ANY circumstances to scratch a neat, curved "B" into a person's skin, did I?

I said, rather, that it was impossible under the circumstances described by the alleged victim.

Yeah, well, there are some people who claim the Twin Towers couldn't have collapsed without having explosives planted ahead of time, too.

I guess some people can't live without one kind of conspiracy or another.

Let's wait for the facts on this.

This young women is innocent until proven guilty.

229 Cutty Sark  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:09:11pm

Very poor analogy Adina , very poor indeed .

I think you oughta start a defense fund for this poor girl .

And please even though this "seems to be in the realm of politics " , it's nothing more than another human being seeking their 15 minutes of fame , and possibly accidentaly .


LOL...but it's that " B " that really blows her out of the water .


Sorry Adina , can't help but be sarcastic .

230 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:11:27pm

re: #229 Cutty Sark

And please even though this "seems to be in the realm of politics " , it's nothing more than another human being seeking their 15 minutes of fame , and possibly accidentaly .


LOL...but it's that " B " that really blows her out of the water .

Yeah, the Truthers think they know everything, too.

This young woman is innocent until proven guilty.

231 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:25:24pm

re: #182 Colonel Panik

Obamabots are leaving some pleasant comments on her twitter blog.

I gotta say, even tho the obamatrons are showing their asses in the comments, Ashley certainly seems game in her responses. Regardless of my own skepticism, I gotta admire her guts.

232 William_Ryan  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:26:45pm

#73 AreTheUSA

Twitter times aren't something I'd bank on. Twitter has a lot of technical glitches (for instance as of about two minutes ago, the Search feature wasn't working). I have had many times that stuff I posted didn't go out for hours. Recently though the problems have been minimal, but with all the political traffic and stuff going on, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find the time was inaccurate.

--Otherwise, on Michelle's blog, so many people are playing CSI detectives it's getting annoying. The backwards b would be exactly what you'd suspect if he was above her as many have already said. One 'theory' though that isn't getting much attention is that the media got a bunch of stuff wrong. Let's just say they screwed stuff up.. she said "I thought it was a knife" and they said "She said it was a knife". The media frequently gets critical details wrong, especially when they are in a rush to get out a juicy story. So let's just say hypothetically, that she was frazzled, and they got a bunch of details from a friend (not firsthand) and/or they took some liberties with it to juice up the story or just plain made mistakes. A lot of people are assuming that the seeming inconsistencies are in her story. Well, we don't know that. All these inconsistencies may be the case but they could just as easily be from the media. I can't count the number of times 'initial reports' have turned out to have all sorts of stuff wrong with them.

Also, one thing that's just coming out is about the guy following her back to the car. With that in mind, everything is a lot more plausible then him mugging her, turning around to leave, her standing still, him looking at a car and knowing it was hers, then turning around and hitting her etc. Knowing this, and just for a second assuming that the guy used a Key or something she assumed to be a knife, and this story gets a whole lot more believable.

Additionally - I've heard this repeated over and over, when a car accident happens or there's a public crime, there's as many versions of the story as their are witnesses. Assuming she's the one that said it was a knife, it could easily be that she got it wrong. Or, she could have 'juiced' it up for whatever reason, to not look cowardly, to make it more intriguing, whatever. That could have happened and not really changed the substance of the story.

This girls life is going to be really miserable though. If it turns out true, the L3 is going to go through her story, pick out any inconsistencies they can and skewer her as a liar. Innocent mistakes will be viewed as intentional distortions. The media will come to the rescue and find people at school who say she's unstable, or that she does drugs, that she gets crappy grades or that she's a member of fringe hate groups.

If it's not true, the same will happen except the MSM will also cite this as proof that conservatives lie and pretend this is typical. But the right blogosphere will also be condeming her. Either way she loses big time.

233 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:28:05pm

re: #231 jwpaine

Oops, I didn't look at the time stamp on ashley's gutsy reply--September 29. Duh.

234 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:32:13pm

After reading this thread (and participating in it and in earlier ones on this subject), I have to say I regret, not my skepticism, but my eagerness to announce it. My apologies.

235 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:33:13pm

re: #234 jwpaine

Thanks!

236 jwpaine  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:34:46pm

Oh, no apologies to you, Mister Has NO Respect For The ATMRA!

237 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 9:43:39pm

re: #236 jwpaine

Oh, no apologies to you, Mister Has NO Respect For The ATMRA!

Oh, ok! :)

Where do you hold your ATM Robbers Association meetings, by the way?

I'll make sure I carry enough cash to get me through the neighborhood. :)

P.S. Adina is a female name.

238 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 10:48:15pm

re: #210 Adina in Judea

Gee, awhile ago, you claimed to have all the facts in this case (except for deciding yourself whether her father or her boyfriend had hit her, without knowing whether she has either one.)

What right do you have to act as judge and jury for this young woman?

What you're saying is rumor and gossip.

She is innocent until proven guilty.

That's the way it goes in court. In the court of public opinion, to accept her story unless and until it totally falls apart is to accept at the same time something that, if true, reflects badly on the other side. So, by taking a position one way OR the other, you've convicted somebody, provisionally.

Better to just sit back and see how it looks after more gathering and analysis of evidence.

239 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 23, 2008 10:54:12pm

re: #238 lostlakehiker

Better to just sit back and see how it looks after more gathering and analysis of evidence.

Yes, I agree totally.

240 arizona9  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 12:37:08am

The cops don't believe her becaue her story doesn't match evidence at the crime scene and will be giving her a polygraph test. And, this time it's not from TMZ but the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

241 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 2:02:23am

I'll wager that this story is bogus.

242 troonbop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 3:05:02am

I don't fault people for being skeptical --- but now it's time to check the news again. I guess i should have taken that bet, behemoth.

243 Throbert McGee  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 3:55:07am

re: #228 Adina in Judea

Yeah, well, there are some people who claim the Twin Towers couldn't have collapsed without having explosives planted ahead of time, too.

I guess some people can't live without one kind of conspiracy or another.

Here's a free hint, my little cherub: if Ms. Ashley Todd thought up and executed a hoax all by herself, that's not a "conspiracy" at all.

Of course, if she had even one accomplice, that would technically take it into "conspiracy" territory -- but a faked robbery/assault involving TWO people is a conspiracy of an entirely different sort (and has an entirely different degree of plausibility) from the type of massive CIA/Mossad/Freemason black-flag operation that 9/11 Troofers love to speculate about.

Which is, I think, what Cutty Sark was getting at when he said your analogy is "very poor."

244 Cutty Sark  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 4:11:36am

F


funny how it always "blackmen in baseball caps " ...hmmmm ,wasn't there an incident in a mosque here , about someone spraying a "poisonous gas " ....where'd that story go ?

And in the same week , another college student [female ] beaten about the head in the school bathroom and "hate muslims " scrawled on the bathroom wall ? ....Where'd that story go ?

Now consider the mentality of a person who drives across town to a strange neighborhood to do what ? Expose themselves at an ATM machine , a virtual "piece of cake " for muggers ! [if even that is true]


Sorry Adina , your analogy still stinks .......troofers are a different animal and they transcend all intellectual, and socio-economic stratas.They deny what their own eyes have seen ..abandon science and logic ...for the sake of a predisposed bias .
Being skeptical on this one's a no brainer . It's got wings because it's got a political spin , that's all .

245 Darwin Akbar  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 5:25:22am

This is too much like the Morton Downey Jr. incident, when he claimed he'd been mugged in a men's room and a swastica written on his forehead.

In that case, as in this one, the facial marking was backwards...as if one did it to themselves while looking in a mirror.

This idiot has done the McCain campaign a huge disservice....this gives the MSM a chance to focus on this while ignoring all of the real incidents - i.e., the vandalism of the homes of SENATOR Norm Coleman and CONGRESSWOMAN Michelle Bachman in Minn.. or the shooting attack on a Republican's home here in Longwood FL yesterday.

246 wontonsoup  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 5:44:01am

Check out the photo on TMZ... if it were an upside-down B, the line on the right would be continuous. It's not. From the close-up, it looks more like an '8' than an upside-down 'B'. Or maybe it was just a hastily-done right-side up B...?

247 arizona9  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 5:58:46am

This idiot has done the McCain campaign a huge disservice....this gives the MSM a chance to focus on this while ignoring all of the real incidents - i.e., the vandalism of the homes of SENATOR Norm Coleman and CONGRESSWOMAN Michelle Bachman in Minn.. or the shooting attack on a Republican's home here in Longwood FL yesterday.

This is exactly what infuriates me most about this.

Just read this about her posting on, around and after the 'attack'..

After the attack, Todd posted this message on a GOP college blog: "Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and prayers - I'm phonebanking, so let's all work together and get John McCain elected."

It also appears she was using Twitter - a social-messaging Internet application for wireless devices - around the time of the reported attack.

In one post, she wrote, "Stubbornly searching for a Bank of America to avoid ATM fees," she said.

Shortly after, she wrote, "Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of Pittsburgh

Oh brother. So, she just happens to blog that she's looking for an atm and that she's in a bad part of town? I'm surprised there isn't a post that reads, 'Hm, there's a strange tall black man approaching'....could she be any more amatureish?

248 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 6:08:01am

Update:

I had some initial doubts, but the police seem to have confirmed this story.

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

249 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #248 FrogMarch

Update:

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

Spoke to soon. Still unknown.

250 jwpaine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:33:30am

re: #237 Adina in Judea

Oh, ok! :)

Where do you hold your ATM Robbers Association meetings, by the way?

I'll make sure I carry enough cash to get me through the neighborhood. :)

P.S. Adina is a female name.

What, your parents gave you a chick's name? Gee, how cruel!

And we hold our meetings (where else?) at our all-but-inaccessible lair.

251 Cutty Sark  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:35:30am

That's a "pretty neat B " , maybe the mugger had a branding iron , you know , for the hard cases .

OR ....the mugger was an "artiste " who felt a compulsion to "draw ' while in the midst of committing a Class A Felony .

The girls needs professional counseling , and should get herself to a safe house before her boyfreind punches her out again . [sarcasm Adani ]


I think that self-narration on the twitty kinda cinches it . Classic set-up for a made-up tale .

252 Cutty Sark  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 4:05:07pm

...and there it is , a hoax . lock her up , and for petes sake get her far away from the campaign .

p.s. I'd pay to see how she inflicted those facial bruises .

oh , well , onto the next farce .


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