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And Now, the Department of Peace

Politics | Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:30:44 pm PDT

Coming soon, under the shiny happy Obama administration: The Department of Peace.

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1 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:31:57pm

Still no Peacemaker on the site.

2 jrhelgeson  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:01pm

I feel better already

3 mbruce  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:50pm

Omaba is a can't.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:58pm

Our enemies legs are tingling.

5 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:33:43pm

Department of Appeasement is more like it.

6 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:34:49pm

They even have a page on Obama's website: Department of Peace advocates for Obama

7 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:24pm

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

8 gmsc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:30pm

A: The dove is the bird of true peace.

B: That's nice. What's the bird of true love?

A: The swallow.

9 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:53pm

The only type of "peace" this will promote is the peace of the dead.

10 Dustyvet  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:05pm

re: #3 mbruce

Omaba is a can't.

can't or a won't?

11 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:28pm

It's like Obama wants to bury America alive.
What a clown.

12 Muadib  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:48pm

Peace in our time? Again?

Buy more ammo.

13 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:19pm

It will take the rest of my life for my country to crawl out of this hole I see being dug. And that's if we get a Reagan after 4 years of Obama. Ugh.

14 gmsc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:30pm

It's nice to see these people fight for peace. If that works, maybe they can f**k for virginity.

15 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:32pm

"If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War."
-- George Washington

16 DM Glampers  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:40pm

Boy did I get in late on the Shatner thread!

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:44pm

"All we are saying
Is give peace the lance."

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #11 Joan Not of Arc

It's like Obama wants to bury America alive.


The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

19 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:14pm

Another Orwellian Bureaucracy. I can't figure out if this is another jobs program for loser hippies or another attempt to submit to Allah once and for all.

20 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:18pm

LOL!
Let's all hold hands and sing "We Are The World"! Hell, let's make it our NATIONAL ANTHEM! And then PEACE will reign over the earth, and the fields will be filled with chocolate waves of grass, and trees that grow candy canes, and cotton candy flowers, all under a purple sky with faeries flying around! WOOOT!

;-)

21 onepistoffyid  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:31pm

Yes, when you submit and resign yourself to your fate as a victim and cease fighting, that is peace-that is what they mean by peace, that is why they call Islam a religion of peace.

Time to get in touch with your inner victim, says the Messiah.

22 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:33pm

I think we should create a Department of "Getting These Motherfuckers Out Of Our Country".

23 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:54pm

So many shiny happy people.

After we get a Department of Peace, we can gather together in circles and dance while singing Kumbaya!


Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

/

24 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:56pm

re: #14 gmsc

It's nice to see these people fight for peace. If that works, maybe they can f**k for virginity.

LOLOLOLOL!

25 SteveC  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:39:09pm

I haven't seen this one yet:

She relayed a story, apparently an Internet story going around about a bum on the street holding a sign that says "Vote For Obama, I Need The Money." A businessman walks by the bum and enters a restaurant where he meets a waiter wearing a tie that says "Vote for Obama." The businessman is served his lunch with perfect service. The businessman is demanding, taking up an extra ordinary amount of the waiter's time. In the end the waiter did a fantastic job. He worked hard to keep his customer happy. But to no avail. The businessman left no tip. Confused and angered he asked the businessman why no tip was left. The patron stated that the gentleman outside sitting on his ass asking for money would get his tip, just as his tie requested.

And with that, the waiter understood exactly how it felt to work hard and sacrifice, only to have others who sit on their ass and do nothing enjoy the fruits of his labor, risk and sacrifice.

26 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:39:29pm

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

27 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:06pm

Department of Peace: Another Federalized, psychologized, hippie-cult.

28 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:15pm

First on the “Department's” list is getting that “Joe Plumber” guy out the way even if he goes under the bus.

No embarrassing questions of the ObamaOne will be tolerated.

/

29 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:17pm

Do they have plans for any Peace Internment Camps?

30 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:28pm

No people in history have ever survived who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies. Dean Acheson

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. Margaret Thatcher

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Winston Churchill

No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb. Franklin D Roosevelt

Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian. Heywood Broun

The one sure way to conciliate a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured. Konrad Adenauer

You may gain temporary appeasement by a policy of concession to violence, but you do not gain lasting peace that way. Anthony Eden

I trust that a graduate student some day will write a doctoral essay on the influence of the Munich analogy on the subsequent history of the twentieth century. Perhaps in the end he will conclude that the multitude of errors committed in the name of 'Munich' may exceed the original error of 1938. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr

31 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:32pm

I agree, here's the roadmap - right on cue

Air Force Nuclear Enterprise Roadmap

32 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:39pm

Yep as soon as Biden's predicted testing of the US by our friends, Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, NK and the rest, The department of peace will spring into action with empty negotiations and the dominant position of abject defeatism! The Department of Peace's official motto "Peace through submission!" Yaaar!

33 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:58pm

Read all about it.

Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Introduced in House)

[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

34 Dustyvet  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

Chicago Murder Rate Tops New York And Los Angeles

35 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:59pm

Coming up next! Department of Parenting.

36 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:00pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

I think we should create a Department of "Getting These Motherfuckers Out Of Our Country".

Awesome. I second that.

37 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:04pm

Because if you have peace, your rights don't really matter, cause ya know man ya got peace. We have absolutely got to beat Obama.
If you have to crawl tro the polls, please crawl.

38 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:33pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

/if it's going to happen I say, hand them the handbasket and wish them bon voyage

39 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:43pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Not as sweet as he tasted to the tigers.

40 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:01pm

Can the Department of Political Correctness be far behind?

41 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:26pm

Wasn't the Department of Peace tinfoil hat Dennis Kucinich's idea?

42 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #12 Muadib

Peace in our time? Again?

Buy more ammo.

I'm debating on another AR-15. If Obama gets elected, they will only go up in value, unless Nancy P Lousy and Company out law them entirely.

43 Hannibal Smith  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:44pm

Bah, he ripped that off from Kucinich.

44 DM Glampers  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:47pm

Let's say by 2010 no SCOTUS appointments (except replacing Ginsberg perhaps) happen to be confirmed; how likely is it to reverse any damage done by 'The nOne' assuming a 1994-like conservative wave sweeps into the majority?

45 norar  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:47pm
46 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:55pm

Annihilation will be unavoidable.

/The theme of my "Department of Peace".

47 stevieray  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:56pm

Bookmark these for further reading:

The Peace Racket by Bruce Bawer

Behind The Placards
by David Corn

These detail the roots of the current "peace studies" movement.

Guess what... the founders of these things are all dictator loving Marxists! But I bet y'all already knew that...

48 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:04pm

Peace = Submission

49 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:18pm

Department of Peace = Department of "We Give Up"

50 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:52pm

Every elevator in the place is blaring, "Incense, Peppermints, Strawberry Wine . . . "

51 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:54pm

We already HAVE a Department of Peace - it's called the US Military! They go to battle, stomp ass wherever necessary, enough bad guys die where peace breaks out! Job done.

WTF is B-HO thinking? Yeah, I know exactly what that Jackass is thinking!

52 SavannahWinslow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:55pm

Department of Peace, sponsored by Code Pink (among others). Surprise!

53 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:44:30pm

re: #42 JeremyR

I would recommend a nice loaded, M1A for a little more punch.

54 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:44:39pm

Visualize Whirrled Peas!

/Give me peace, or give me death! Don't hurt me..please!

55 neocon hippie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:12pm

I'd say there's a decent chance, say 20% or so, that Obama will so compromise the security of this nation that our military will have no choice but to munity and/or take him out in a coup.

56 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

Dude.

57 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:58pm

re: #51 6pat6

We already HAVE a Department of Peace - it's called the US Military! They go to battle, stomp ass wherever necessary, enough bad guys die where peace breaks out! Job done.

WTF is B-HO thinking? Yeah, I know exactly what that Jackass is thinking!

That should be on a plaque (in very large font.), hung prominently.

58 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:59pm

I bet all of those foreign service officers who gave to Obama are pissed; they think they are the Department of Peace

60 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:19pm

I assume President Obama will appoint Dennis Kucinich as US Secretary of Peace, after all, Kucinich has been pushing for a Department of Peace for years now.

61 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:35pm

Strangely enough, Jessica Biel is our Department of Piece.

62 neocon hippie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:37pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Very popular story in newage (rhymes with sewage) spirituality circles.

63 pat  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:38pm

1984. Department of Peace = Re education and monitoring of war like Americans and those Americans that do not meet International standards for humility, apologies, and charitable donations.

64 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:51pm

Ya know what we need to straighten out the idiot gen-x, gen-y and post gen-y mental midgets who are going for all this idiocy and worshipping at the feet of the Obamessiah?

WE NEED A F*****' DRAFT.

Send 'em thru for 2 years of service in the military - MANDATORY, NO EXCEPTIONS OR DEFERMENTS, NO CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR OPTION.

They will LEARN, and grow up FAST.

65 yesandno  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:03pm

Wow....

That dove has the weight of the world in it's beak!

/does that explain the economic collapse? Dropped it to get that piece of hamburger bun thrown out at the park by that lady in pink.

66 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:11pm

Department of Piss

67 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #62 neocon hippie

Very popular story in newage (rhymes with sewage) spirituality circles.

Pardon my ignorance, but i don't know the genesis of this story.

68 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:34pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

It ain't over yet. The people haven't spoken.

/He's going to lose.

69 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:34pm

Department of Peace French Style:

French Military History in a Nutshell

70 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #56 Charles

Dude.

Am I the only one who has no idea what that passage meant?

71 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:01pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

Chicago Murder Rate Tops New York And Los Angeles

Of course the Atlanta city council is like 100 percent black and 98 percent Democrat. And Atlanta has been doing a lousy job of protecting it citizens culminating in a botched drug raid killing an innocent 92 year old grand mother who's only mistake was to install suveillance camera to keep the crooks out, The Narcs decided she was a dealer and pulled a no knock drug raid she defended her-self and died for it. The narcs performed a lousy cover-up and three of them are in jail serving some serious time. Atlanta, where the police kill the innocent and ignore real crime and corruption.

72 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:01pm

He could also call it the Department of Roll Over and Scratch My Belly.

Obama's living in a fantasy world. As Bugs would say, "What a maroon".

73 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:03pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

This is scary. I just posted the department of peace thing on my blog with the suggestion to form "Department of Get These Asshats Out of Our Country". You must be genius!

I like yours better, to be honest.

74 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #60 Ringo the Gringo

That mental midget Kucinich would be a scary little shit as a Secretary of Anything. He reminds me of Robert Reich, that little puke that was Clinton's SecLabor

75 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

Why would you punish the military with babysitting those clowns?

76 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:06pm
Coming soon, under the shiny happy Obama administration: The Department of Peace.

How's he going to pay for it? He's already got a $trillion+ cue of new spending lined up and and if they get 60 seats in the Senate, he could ram it all home along with the 40 year old Supreme Court Justices to the left of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

/now remember, he promised to not raise taxes one penny for 95% of you!

77 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:11pm

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?

78 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:12pm

re: #47 stevieray

Yep. The USSR used to sponsor most of that stuff.
I guess it was too much to hope that the fall of the USSR would bring an end to the nonsense.

79 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:20pm

They send their press releases to Commondreams.org. That's all I need to know.

80 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:34pm

Between the idiocy of Miller and McDermott [Link: www.workforce.com...] , HR800 and now this...

Another e-mail to my congressman.

This is just getting tiresome. Now I gotta look up the status of this piece of shitlegislation.

81 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #68 Palandine

It ain't over yet. The people haven't spoken.

/He's going to lose.

What makes you think so?

82 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:01pm

"Wars are caused by undefended wealth."
-- Ernest Hemingway

Maybe the Department of Peace will be in charge of giving everything
away to the rest of the world. That way we will have nothing
and will be safe from the world's jealousy.
////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////
Sarc tag tax, coming up.

83 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:07pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

84 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:22pm

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

85 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:35pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

That was a King of the Hill episode.

86 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:37pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

Wait a minute. I am Gen X. So is ArmyHusband who didn't need to be drafted to serve his country, thank you very much.

87 Crusty  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:46pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

And Chicago, which seems to be in an annual steeplechase with Richmond and D.C. for Most Per Capita Homicides every year.

If The 0ne is such a lightbearer, an agent of peace, a healer of the sick, worker of miracles, economic genius, etc., why didn't we see any of that in Illinois when he was senator here?!

88 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:53pm

I wonder if the Peace dept will employ truth squads special police from the ministry of truth to investigate hate speech that which is unfavorable to the one dear leader

89 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:56pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

No Problem Phillies in 5

90 Biff  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:01pm

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

91 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:13pm

re: #88 jetprop

Yes

92 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:24pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

Doesn't matter, they don't start the damned games until 9pm anyway. And they wonder why kids don't follow baseball anymore. IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ASLEEP!

93 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:32pm
why didn't we see any of that in Illinois when he was senator here?

Booosh! Boooosh!

94 MikeG  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:33pm

Welcome to 1984! I'm votin' fer BHO then straight to my 2 min of ...

95 boogereatinmoron  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:37pm

Will the DoP be headed up by the Secretary of Surrender?

96 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:46pm
97 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:46pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

I wonder what the sworn peace officers in those cities think of this.

98 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:52pm

re: #70 TheMatrix31


Whew, I thought I was getting stupider and only I didn't get the meaning of that passage.

99 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:02pm

Time to order our berets.

100 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:04pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

That is incredible.

101 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:26pm

re: #77 godfrey

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?

University of Notre Dame, to our eternal shame.

102 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:35pm

re: #60 Ringo the Gringo

I assume President Obama will appoint Dennis Kucinich as US Secretary of Peace, after all, Kucinich has been pushing for a Department of Peace for years now.

And he could be the Under Secretary on Extraterrestrial Affairs also.

103 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #77 godfrey

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?


Notre Dame

104 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

Just add 3AM real clear on the nightstand clock and you have a winner

105 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:48pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

Yeah. It's going to piss off a bunch of Joe the plumbers.

106 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:51pm

re: #73 ArmyWife

This is scary. I just posted the department of peace thing on my blog with the suggestion to form "Department of Get These Asshats Out of Our Country". You must be genius!

I like yours better, to be honest.

Definitely. I don't pull punches. I wish McCain didn't pull punches.

107 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:52pm

re: #82 jaunte

"Wars are caused by undefended wealth."
-- Ernest Hemingway

Maybe the Department of Peace will be in charge of giving everything
away to the rest of the world.
That way we will have nothing
and will be safe from the world's jealousy.
//////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////
Sarc tag tax, coming up.


You mean we'll be witnessing the dismantling of the US by peacemeal?

108 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:08pm

I would like to apply for the following positions:

Director of Rainbow Encouragement
Good Feelings Manager
Unicorn Procurement Officer
Undersecretary of Dreams

109 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:17pm

re: #101 Palandine

University of Notre Dame, to our eternal shame.

My condolences.

110 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:26pm

re: #104 ACJohn

And check the jammies for subliminal messages.

111 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:30pm

Gandhi didn't even have a Dept. of the PEACE!

112 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

I believe these have a shelf life of 8 years.

113 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:45pm

re: #103 opnion

Notre Dame

She also gave $300 million to NPR, IIRC.

114 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #96 wkett

That was fricken' awesome!

115 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:08pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31

Quantum leaps better than the "Scare the Old People" Medicare ads I see here in good ol' central PA.

/Page 3 of the Democrat election campaign handbook - How to Scare the Hell Out of Old People.

116 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:17pm

re: #83 mitthrawnurdo

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

117 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:37pm
118 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:14pm

I nominate Ron Jeremy as the head of the Peace Department !

119 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:29pm

Right, the Kroc Institute. They were the ones that wanted to tenure Tariq Ramadan, grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Peace, right.

120 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #70 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who has no idea what that passage meant?

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

121 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #96 wkett

Department of Peace

Awesome. Peace through superior firepower.

122 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #113 spirochete

She also gave $300 million to NPR, IIRC.

All of that money for crappy food.

123 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:43pm

Today while driving east on Versailles Road, inbound to Lexington Ky from Versailles Ky I was behind a white service van. On the rear window a sticker reading, Palin 08. The 0 in 08 was a weapon scope cross hairs.

....?

I got pictures. I called the company. Seemed shocked, swore to act.

124 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #119 godfrey

Right, the Kroc Institute. They were the ones that wanted to tenure Tariq Ramadan, grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Peace, right.

Peace: What a Kroc.

125 the_flying_pig  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:02pm

We do have a Department of Peace for decades: it is called the Department of Defense.

126 Scion9  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:04pm

re: #67 spirochete

Pardon my ignorance, but i don't know the genesis of this story.

It's a Buddha parable, back before he started looking like Hitchens.

127 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:07pm
128 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:10pm

re: #86 ArmyWife

Wait a minute. I am Gen X. So is ArmyHusband who didn't need to be drafted to serve his country, thank you very much.

Ma'am, you and your hubbie are extraordinary exceptions.
Forgive me if I use such a broad brush - after all, verminous filth like Bill Ayers are baby boomers like me, though I'd rather be dipped in a nuclear furnace than have anything to do with such as him.

Thank your husband for being solid as a rock.

129 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:22pm

re: #53 de La Valette

I would recommend a nice loaded, M1A for a little more punch.

Mine sports an 4x16-40mm Illuminated reticle by BSA. Good beyond 1000 yards.
DPMS offers several M-10 variants in calibers such as .243.
Also, you can get the AR chambered in 6.8SPC, or even 7.62x39.
My local dealer has the new HKs in .45 auto available. Price is steep at $1500. Thats almost an M1A and an AR.

130 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:28pm

re: #117 Palandine

The US Military - the only government institution liberals feel needs cut all the time.

/ As opposed to NEA grants for artists to create more Piss Christ pieces..well, that's an underfunded mandate!

131 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

I'm Gen X, going on 11 years in the army. It's's tough enough dealing with the weirdos that volunteer for service, I'd probably kill some of the ones that don't want to be here.

132 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:01pm

re: #101 Palandine

I have no problem with private money and a religious institution studying peace and conflict resolution. Even a little Government seed money is OK.

But, where in role of Government does this global group hug appear:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

133 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:21pm

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace.' they say, when there is no peace...I appointed watchmen over you and said, 'Listen to the sound of the trumpet! But you said, 'We will not listen.' -- Jeremiah 6: 14,17

134 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:23pm

re: #81 code red 21

What makes you think so?

The Messiah doesn't bring anyone to the table who wouldn't already vote Dem, and he's pissed off a huge number of Dem voters--gun owners, people who work with their hands (Joe the plumber), people of faith, women (due to his shabby treatment of Hillary and now Governor Palin). McCain, for the very reason the republican base isn't thrilled with him, can draw just enough of those disaffected folks to win.

Americans don't elect liberals who run as liberals. Obama's going to lose.

135 freeus  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:52pm

The tiger thing reminded me of the story about the lady that rode on the back of a crocodile, and ended up inside of him by the end of the story. There once was a lady from... That one.

If Obama is so much for surrender and peace, then why is he suggesting he wants to draft my daughters? Somehow draft and peace do not conjure up the same picture in my mind. Draft to my mind equaled WWII and Vietnam. Peace was when we nuked Japan, and pushed for the Surge in Iraq. When will the pansies ever understand you only have peace when someone is stronger, has the most guns, biggest army, best missile defense, etc.? Do they ever read a history book? Oh, I forgot, they read Marx instead. And man that was a real peaceful ideology was it not? Right!

136 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:53pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

I don't want anybody there who doesn't wanna be there.

137 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:57:07pm

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

138 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:57:30pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

Arrr, mate if I wanted to take down the Iranian centrifuge operation, I would hack the network that control the things, and create a domino effect that would destroy the entire cascade, destroying the process and contaminating the whole place would put a severe dent Iranian nuclear aspirations hopefully for enough time for a home-grown revolution to occur....

139 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:01pm

Rainbow warriors and patchouli bombs, I can see it now.

Let's send the Code Pink Brigade to Afghanistan!

140 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:15pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

We HAVE citizen soldiers - they are Guardsmen and Reservists! I do NOT want a bunch of draftees calling "bullshit" and "chickenshit" when push comes to shove! They are in the military, drafted or not, to BE in the military and follow the lawful orders of those above them! Drafted or not, every service member IS already duty-bound to serve, period! Why do you think a "questioning" force is a good thing, somehow? Were YOU ever in? What good comes from a military where the junior members get to pick and choose the fight? You sound like an Obamaton, pal.

141 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:24pm

Peace Through Strength

Ronald Reagan'

142 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:31pm

Cross hairs don't seem peaceful to me.

143 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:33pm

And now for the one hundred millionth rendition of "Give Peace a Chance"

144 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:50pm

re: #55 neocon hippie

I'd say there's a decent chance, say 20% or so, that Obama will so compromise the security of this nation that our military will have no choice but to munity and/or take him out in a coup.

You give our military no credit. Our soldiers have served Clinton and Carter. They will not refuse to serve Obama, although many will resign or ETS rather then be jester to the clown.
Military have faith in the ultimate good of the voters, and will trust that 2010 will abate Obama by electing a conservative congress that is veto proof.
I some how expect war will come, but it will be the lef who strikes first.

145 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:01pm

Whois shows that The Peace Alliance is a part of Global Renaissance Alliance.

Also an offhsot of new ager Marianne Williamson.

146 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:21pm

re: #120 Syrah

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

Nope, haven't read it before. I just read it, and maybe I'm just in a dense mood but I have no idea what the American equivalent meant either.

147 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:32pm

re: #138 LoFlyer

I think that keeping oil prices down by expanding supplies, increasing efficiency, ect, ect. would go a long way to formenting revolution in Iran as well as stopping their nuclear program.

However, there's a potential problem - the mad mullahs may feel the need to do something drastic (in a hands-off way, of course) to spike those prices back up.

148 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:32pm

re: #137 godfrey

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

Chirp.

149 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #134 Palandine

The Messiah doesn't bring anyone to the table who wouldn't already vote Dem, and he's pissed off a huge number of Dem voters--gun owners, people who work with their hands (Joe the plumber), people of faith, women (due to his shabby treatment of Hillary and now Governor Palin). McCain, for the very reason the republican base isn't thrilled with him, can draw just enough of those disaffected folks to win.

Americans don't elect liberals who run as liberals. Obama's going to lose.


Lord have mercy, I'm witchah!

150 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:43pm

re: #119 godfrey

Why is it that basically conservative capitalists (Ray Kroc and Walter Annenburg, the Fords, e.g.) end up financing the whacko left?
Drives me crazy.

151 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:47pm

What A President Obama's Cabinet Might Look Like?

From the belly of the beast.

/read it and weep

152 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #33 Kreuzueber Halbmond

So the “Department of Peace” springs up in well timed effort to get the Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Introduced in House) enacted?

That would not surprise me one bit.

153 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:17pm

re: #146 TheMatrix31

Nope, haven't read it before. I just read it, and maybe I'm just in a dense mood but I have no idea what the American equivalent meant either.

It will make sense in time.

154 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:29pm

re: #129 JeremyR

I used to work with H&K in Sterling and fired some older AR-10 (Stoners?); I wasn't aware of any current production.

155 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:37pm

a dept. of peace is an invitation to war.

156 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:57pm
157 pittrader1988  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:00pm

this is just great.

and my wife says, "how many deadbeats can we get to work in that department?"

158 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:39pm

re: #131 Nuclear Ninja

I'm Gen X, going on 11 years in the army. It's's tough enough dealing with the weirdos that volunteer for service, I'd probably kill some of the ones that don't want to be here.

You, sir, are a rare exception.
Of course, my baby boomer generation had some real slobs, so I should hardly criticize.
I think it would be great for the country if everyone had to serve. I noticed my dad (who served as a GI) always had common ground with other veterans. It's a great thing to see.

159 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:50pm

re: #150 wolfie

Must be something about the folks that go into non-profit foundation work as a career.

160 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:07pm

Rodney King wrote the motto for the Department of Peace.

Why can't we all just get along?

161 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:12pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.

162 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #147 mitthrawnurdo

I think that keeping oil prices down by expanding supplies, increasing efficiency, ect, ect. would go a long way to formenting revolution in Iran as well as stopping their nuclear program.

However, there's a potential problem - the mad mullahs may feel the need to do something drastic (in a hands-off way, of course) to spike those prices back up.

Well, let's hope the department of Peace can get a handle on the issue, because no one else has....
/that truly sux mate.....

163 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:31pm

re: #134 Palandine

I hope to hell you have a good record of picking winners because we can't afford to have BO as our POTUS. We're the last lifeboat in the world and he'll sink us for sure.

164 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:32pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

But Stud,
He will use this as an incentive for tuition reimbursement or as a student educational stipend for their hours of contribution...middle school and high school children? How are they going to benchmark the Pentagon's actions and use of our military?
If he holds true to his beliefs, he will also remove juvenile delinquents from
detention facilities and utilize them a well?
Is this what you were envisioning to police the military?
I believe he wants a checks and balance to equal the millions of us who have and will preserve the right to bear arms, according to the constitution!

165 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:45pm
166 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:48pm

re: #150 wolfie

Because they marry whacko liberals as trophy wives and raise spoiled rich brats who get to spend their money after they drop.

167 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:09pm

re: #150 wolfie

Sometimes they intend to, sometimes not. It's probably more common that they intend to set up something, and do, but allow other people to decide who will direct and staff it. The directors and staffers end up being leftists. It's frustrating to the donors.

168 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:16pm

Cindy Sheehan will be made the Secretary of Peace. You heard it here first.

169 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:40pm

re: #56 Charles

Dude.

Zen.

170 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:45pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.


Wow. I am so positive that any 18 year old would know better than a General and could call "bullshit".
What a STUPID thing to say.

171 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:59pm

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

172 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:04:05pm

Kwatz!

173 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:05pm

re: #137 godfrey

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

On the contrary - the Dhimmicrats do NOT acknowledge the success of the surge. It represents a defeat to their ideology.

174 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:08pm

re: #42 JeremyR

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

175 Fearless Fred  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I want to ask you a question ... via email. How may I?

Fred

176 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:34pm

re: #112 HelloDare

I used to have a bunch of those from old C rations. A word to the wise; rehydrate them

before

eating.

177 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:54pm

re: #118 ted

I nominate Ron Jeremy as the head of the Peace Department !

Barney frank would er..be pleased.re: #141 freedomplow

Great ad.

178 ciaospirit  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:58pm

It makes me sick the way Michelle O used the grandmother on the campaign today in Ohio. She spoke oh so sweetly and said Barack told her that he gets his strength from his grandmother and "We call her Toots." Not to her face, apparently. Since Michelle and the girls didn't go to see her when on vacation in Hawaii a few months ago, and, now that she's dying, well, that doesn't warrant a visit from the grandkids to their beloved Toots either. Yesterday, radio news said B Hussein spent one hour with her. He spent more time on the airplane getting over there. Before she became gravely ill, anybody know of a time when she praised her grandson during this campaign? Why not?

179 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:19pm

I think it's an excellent idea. We can draft platoons of moonbats and send them into war zones to promote peace.

If they're sucessful, great...if not, well that's not so bad either!

180 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:27pm

I applied for a "permit to purchase firearms" today.
Regardless who wins the election, I will have my own "Department of Peace Through Firepower".
/dead serious

181 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:29pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Zen.

/please Uncle Killgore, please tell us the one about the cow with no nostrils

182 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:34pm

re: #175 Fearless Fred

What's so secret? C'mon spill yer beenz.

183 JHW  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:35pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if I got it either (no zen studies), but it reminded me of this one for some reason.
Buddha and the Spider's Thread

184 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:02pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama
She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Tell her that you liked the way that they kept saying "Hussein" over and over.
Like a Shibboleth.

185 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:23pm

re: #179 Ringo the Gringo

Human Shields!

186 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:24pm

re: #123 justdanny

Hey, man, wha 'sup?

187 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:28pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Send her to the RNC:

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

Just as important are their print ads:

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

188 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:50pm

The British screw up badly - [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Hiring-Gurkha-girls-weaken-British-army-warns-bras s.html

I just heard the ambush interview with Ayers run on Fox. He said,"This is my property, please get off it."

Amusing statement from commie/anarcho/rat bastard.

Then he called the police on the reporter.

Wow.

189 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:00pm

re: #177 jetprop

PIMF..meant that to be for #141

190 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:00pm

re: #163 code red 21

I hope to hell you have a good record of picking winners because we can't afford to have BO as our POTUS. We're the last lifeboat in the world and he'll sink us for sure.

I've got no special information, except I live in Missouri which is widely considered a toss-up state and I can tell you I've seen, throughout the state, way more McCain signs than Obama signs and way fewer Obama signs than there were Kerry signs in 2004. Bush won Missouri in 04, and McCain will win Missouri in 08.

If the media and the pollsters are wrong about Missouri, what else are they wrong or lying about?

191 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:01pm

re: #152 ledger1

The times they are a changing.

192 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:04pm

Add this video to this thread?

There is a price we will not pay!

193 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

The lessons of Athens and Sparta (and Revolutionary France) were well known to our Founders and they specifically rejected a Constitution ban on a standing, professional Army.

They enshrined a well armed populace to address the potential problem of a military coup.

Rather then dilute the military to protect our Constitution; arm yourself.

194 code red 21[deleted]  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:12pm
195 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:14pm

re: #181 Killian Bundy

I don't know that one. Are you thinking of the Ox Herding Pictures?

If anyone should ask the meaning of this,
Behold the lilies of the field and its fresh sweet-scented verdure.

196 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:27pm

re: #135 freeus
Because Obama and friends will need an army to keep US citizens peaceful -

197 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:51pm

re: #140 6pat6

We HAVE citizen soldiers - they are Guardsmen and Reservists! I do NOT want a bunch of draftees calling "bullshit" and "chickenshit" when push comes to shove! They are in the military, drafted or not, to BE in the military and follow the lawful orders of those above them! Drafted or not, every service member IS already duty-bound to serve, period! Why do you think a "questioning" force is a good thing, somehow? Were YOU ever in? What good comes from a military where the junior members get to pick and choose the fight? You sound like an Obamaton, pal.


Stop frothing, honey.
It's a healthy thing to have questions in the Army. The Armed Forces of the USA have trained draftees in the past to obey orders and win wars, and they can do it again.
But honestly - doesn't it worry you that one day, a professional military might become disconnected in thought and feeling from the civilian population, and begin to decide for itself what is important and right? It's happened before.
Also, think about this:
Lots of Libs like to call for intervention in Darfur.
OK.
Let's see any of them sign up. If it's that important, they should be willing to risk THEIR lives, not just somebody else's.

Do you see what I'm saying?

198 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:59pm

The Ur-Quan masters will love it.

199 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:27pm

re: #180 IslandLibertarian

Where do you live?

200 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:37pm

re: #188 Van Helsing

I just heard the ambush interview with Ayers run on Fox. He said,"This is my property, please get off it."

Amusing statement from commie/anarcho/rat bastard.

Then he called the police on the reporter.

Wow.

What did he call them?

201 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:46pm

re: #183 JHW

That's a complicated one. I'll have to ponder that one for a while.

202 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:49pm

A Zen master once said to me, "Do the opposite of whatever I tell you."

So I didn't.

203 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:04pm
204 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:05pm

re: #174 Iron Fist

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

I was happy with my DPMS AR-15.

/until it just...disappeared...one day, President Obama (*shudder*). Hell of a thing...

205 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:20pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

I don't know that one. Are you thinking of the Ox Herding Pictures?

/The Story of Kyong Ho

206 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:36pm

re: #137 godfrey

Sometimes I wonder if it's time for the US military so "intervene" against lefty cluelessness. I know it's crazy talk, but there has to be a solution out there.

207 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:43pm

lol

208 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:48pm

re: #184 FightingBack

Tell her that you liked the way that they kept saying "Hussein" over and over.
Like a Shibboleth.

Also tell her that2/3 of Israelis support McCain:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

209 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:53pm

re: #159 jaunte

Must be something about the folks that go into non-profit foundation work as a career.

You may well be right about that.
Conservatives tends to gravitate toward productive jobs and liberals toward....................well,.................sigh

210 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #83 mitthrawnurdo

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

Unfortunately, if things on Earth start going pear-shaped, we may have no choice BUT to reactivate the draft... :-| :-| :-|

211 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #154 de La Valette

I used to work with H&K in Sterling and fired some older AR-10 (Stoners?); I wasn't aware of any current production.

Armalite.
Stoners company is back at it!
DPMS also has offerings, as does model 1 sales.

212 republic  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:24pm

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

213 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:44pm

re: #200 FightingBack

What did he call them?

It must have been something nice because the police showed up to escort Ayers back to his car.

The reporter must have been pretty scary.

214 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:10pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Artist and Directors in this. No different than our Hollywood crowd. My 2 cents

215 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Oh my..where to start...

Have her look up these names, just as a starting point:

Jeremiah Wright.
Louis Farahakan.
Samantha Powers.

/The guy in the video making this documentary about The One missed all time he was hanging out with Rev Wright, saying all kinds of crap about the Israelis abusing Palestineans. Obama is good for Israel? Bah...Obama is only good for Obama, and for the left.

216 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Try this
The Jewish Case Against Barack Obama

217 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

The authorities say there is no evidence that it was racially motivated.

218 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:45pm

I came across this relatively old video (2006) by Beccy Cole at Blackfive today. I think it's worth viewing and relevant to this topic.

219 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #206 jonathan1984

I'll give you a solution right now. The directors of these institutes serve at the pleasure of their university provosts. Provosts can't change the mission statements of those institutes, but they can fire and appoint new directors, which would have a dramatic effect on what those institutes fund, and do.

Difficult, but possible.

220 bosforus  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:50pm

Department of Peace Mindless Naive Tools Who Will End Up Succumbing To Every Demand From Our Enemies Until The United States Of America No Longer Exists

221 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:57pm

We do not need a DoPe anywhere near the White House.

/With a Dept of Peace, you'll of coarse need a newly appointed Privacy and Civil Liberties Officer.

/How about Gavin Newsome -

222 Fearless Fred  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:08pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Heh .. .. sorry. It's just kind of embarrassing. I'm not here much lately, and I thought you might know -- whatever has happened to Señor Miguel? Is he alive or dead? The whole thing about 'maybe had a stroke' ... do you know? I miss him quite a lot.

Fred

223 thedude  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:40pm

from a commentor on the Washington Times...
By: gazelle777
The U.S. should immediately pull out of Chicago !
Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq .

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durb in, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley).....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago . Of course, they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund: $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want).

Chicago school system one of the worst in country. (And Obama was actively working to "change" it!)

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Why didn't he do something to fix Illinois?

Any of you liberals have an intelligent answer for that question? And remember, the key word here is 'intelligent'.

October 24, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. | Mark as Offensive

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

224 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:55pm

re: #214 ACJohn

Some of the crowd looked like communism had failed them before. And would again.

225 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:55pm

re: #178 ciaospirit

It makes me sick the way Michelle O used the grandmother on the campaign today in Ohio. She spoke oh so sweetly and said Barack told her that he gets his strength from his grandmother and "We call her Toots." Not to her face, apparently. Since Michelle and the girls didn't go to see her when on vacation in Hawaii a few months ago, and, now that she's dying, well, that doesn't warrant a visit from the grandkids to their beloved Toots either. Yesterday, radio news said B Hussein spent one hour with her. He spent more time on the airplane getting over there. Before she became gravely ill, anybody know of a time when she praised her grandson during this campaign? Why not?

he seems to consider the grandmother a punishment. she is, after all a typical racist white person.
he is an ingrate, thankless self-centered. a very cold person.

226 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:05pm

re: #222 Fearless Fred

Heh .. .. sorry. It's just kind of embarrassing. I'm not here much lately, and I thought you might know -- whatever has happened to Señor Miguel? Is he alive or dead? The whole thing about 'maybe had a stroke' ... do you know? I miss him quite a lot.

Fred

I have wondered the same.

227 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:10pm

re: #190 Palandine
There seems to be alot of anecdotal evidence like yours out there I just hope it means McCain will win.

228 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:17pm

A very simple working definition for peace is how effectively we are able to transform conflict before it escalates into violence.

IOW, they're admitting their position is useless in violent situations.


Current thinking in the field of peace studies posits that peace is a state of being that can be cultivated within ourselves, our communities, our societies, our civilizations and our world. Peace happens at all levels.

Hey, imagine peace. Your enemies don't.

229 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:20pm

re: #197 StudSupreme

Stop frothing, honey.

OK, asshole. You really are an ignorant, condecending prick. But, that's why we in the military fight for, is for ungrateful, ignorant fucks like you to spout off stupid shit like you do. Have a day.

230 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:23pm

re: #205 Killian Bundy


I heard about the cow with no nostrils
and suddenly the whole universe is my home.
Yon Am Mountain lies flat under the road.
A farmer, at the end of his work, is singing.

The Koans don't have much appeal to me. I'm more of a Shikantaza kinda guy.

231 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:27pm

re: #215 mitthrawnurdo

Oh my..where to start...

Have her look up these names, just as a starting point:

Jeremiah Wright.
Louis Farahakan.
Samantha Powers.

/The guy in the video making this documentary about The One missed all time he was hanging out with Rev Wright, saying all kinds of crap about the Israelis abusing Palestineans. Obama is good for Israel? Bah...Obama is only good for Obama, and for the left.

I know, I know. It's very frustrating to me that she even sent it. I'm pretty sure she's voting for the good guy (and gal :)), and I sent her links to about 6 articles detailing Obama's 'questionable' (at best) stance on Israel. We have family in Jerusalem, and I have a very strong feeling they'll all be voting for McCain, as they are religious and not moronic-kapo-Jews.

232 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:31pm

re: #203 Charles

24 day rule.

233 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:43pm

re: #219 godfrey

Aren't the provosts usually as lefty as anyone else, though?

234 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:52pm

re: #161 6pat6

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.


Actually, I am.
ANd it should be 17-55.

235 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:55pm

re: #223 thedude

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.

236 Adrenalyn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:21pm

but if McCain wins

I am going to be the

Secretary of Offense

talk about pre-emption
I am going to have a separate sub-department
called the bluff-calling group

237 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:28pm

re: #104 ACJohn

In actuality, I think the electoral race is very close.

I have seen estimates of McCain getting approximately 259 to 275 votes (it takes 270 to win). But I think that estimate says McCain must win PA and OH which are very close now.


Like it or not, the “Bradley Effect” will be much higher than expected.

[Zombie explains the Bradley Effect]:

“Despite being a well-known phrase, the Bradley Effect is quite often misreported by the media and misunderstood by the public to mean that whites who are racist will refuse to vote for any black candidate yet will lie to pollsters about their intentions for fear of having their racist attitudes exposed. As a result, polls sometimes over-report support for black candidates in elections when they are running against white candidates. But this is a gross misapprehension of what the term means. First of all, the phrase "Bradley Effect" originally only referred to a bare-bones description of what actually happens in such races: White voters tell pollsters they intend to vote for the black candidate, but on election day they either vote for the white candidate or don't vote at all…”

See: The Lefts big blunder

238 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:39pm

re: #235 RTLM

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.

Lots of "change" passed from one set of hands to another.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:54pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

Good grief!

240 republic  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #235 RTLM

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.


Yes he did create change in Chicago, things got worse after he meddled in things.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:36pm

re: #222 Fearless Fred

Miguel from mexico? He had a stroke a while ago. He posted a few times since then but it was pretty obvious he was having motor control difficulties. I think realwest has talked to him a few times and you can check with the late night crew here, they might have some more updates.

242 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:49pm

re: #164 notutopia

But Stud,
He will use this as an incentive for tuition reimbursement or as a student educational stipend for their hours of contribution...middle school and high school children? How are they going to benchmark the Pentagon's actions and use of our military?
If he holds true to his beliefs, he will also remove juvenile delinquents from
detention facilities and utilize them a well?
Is this what you were envisioning to police the military?
I believe he wants a checks and balance to equal the millions of us who have and will preserve the right to bear arms, according to the constitution!


Huh?
I'm sorry, I'm not following you.
What's this about high school kids or juvie delinquents?

243 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:58pm

re: #203 Charles

How... convenient.

244 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:06pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Send your mother the truth! Send it yesterday! Start with directing her to O's fauxChristian church website archives and a video or two of Jeremiah Wright. Or start here with Charles' excellent coverage. There's no shortage of sites exposing Obama for what he is, only a shortage of ears that will hear and eyes that will see.

245 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:22pm

re: #235 RTLM

He helped put up a gazebo.

/Gazebogate

246 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:24pm

OK...8:15 PM...go to the computer...had a few drinks...go to LGF...and see this?!?!? I thought it was a joke. What are they gonna do with the guys that literally SAW PEOPLE FREAKING HEADS OFF? Sit down for fucking tea and crumpets? Dear God, we are fucking screwed.

247 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:18:58pm

re: #233 jonathan1984

No, they often come from business fields.

There are other options related to how endowment payout increases can be tied to matching university (rather than institute) priorities.

248 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:01pm

re: #115 mitthrawnurdo

Quantum leaps better than the "Scare the Old People" Medicare ads I see here in good ol' central PA.

/Page 3 of the Democrat election campaign handbook - How to Scare the Hell Out of Old People.

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

249 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:03pm

re: #174 Iron Fist

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

My first AR was from Essential Arms in Lousiana. (also my second)
My third is a Bushmaster carbon 15 pistol. #4 is an LMT lower with a Model 1 uper in 7.62x39. #5 is an Armalite in 9mm. #6 is a Bushmaster M-17 bullpup. #7 is a DPMS with a Bushmaster upper. The M-17 and the DPMS cam e assembled. The others I built. The first one, I asemb led everything, the others had completed uppers.
I am fearful of what a solid dem congress will do.

250 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:25pm

re: #217 Globular Cluster

The authorities say there is no evidence that it was racially motivated.

Well of course it was racially motivated! A black man was murdered by two white men. How could it NOT be a hate crime?

* He said while completely ignoring the black on white crimes.

251 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:28pm

HR808 Establish Dept of Peace and Non-violence
Sponsor
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] (introduced 2/5/2007)
Co-Sponsors
Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 2/14/2007
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/11/2008
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 2/13/2007
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 2/5/2007
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 2/5/2007
Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 2/5/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 2/16/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 2/5/2007
Rep Gilchrest, Wayne T. [MD-1] - 7/9/2008
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 2/13/2007
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 5/1/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 2/5/2007
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 2/5/2007
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 2/5/2007
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 5/21/2007
Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] - 2/5/2007
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/1/2007
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] - 2/5/2007
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] - 7/24/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 2/5/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] - 3/26/2007
Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] - 5/2/2007
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-6] - 2/5/2007
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 2/5/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 2/5/2007
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 2/5/2007
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 2/5/2007
Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] - 2/14/2007
Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] - 2/13/2007
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II [WV-3] - 3/5/2007
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 2/5/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 2/5/2007
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27] - 2/5/2007
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 6/13/2007
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. [CA-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] - 2/5/2007
Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 5/20/2008
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wu, David [OR-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 2/5/2007

Screaming libs all

252 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:34pm

re: #203 Charles

...

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

253 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:36pm

re: #229 6pat6

OK, asshole. You really are an ignorant, condecending prick. But, that's why we in the military fight for, is for ungrateful, ignorant fucks like you to spout off stupid shit like you do. Have a day.

Are you crying now?
Honestly, what's wrong with you? You sound shrill and hysterical.

254 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:51pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

Ironically, the fraudulent episode in Pa. may serve as an innoculation to prevent against unecessary emotionalism over a potential contrivance of a story. On the other hand, it may be legit. But this story may well be swallowed up by the shadow of the great state of Texas where stories like this do not get the play they might in the East or West. One thing we hope for is that it obviously is that it not unfairly tilt the election, tragic as it might be. That said, to the extent that there is a tragedy, our hearts go out nonetheless.

255 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:53pm

re: #211 JeremyR

I guess this is wrong blog to get into a discussion of AR versus Springfield actions. There about the same price.

256 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:00pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

The Koans don't have much appeal to me. I'm more of a Shikantaza kinda guy.

/you get the difference between a cow and a cow with no nostrils though, right?

257 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #199 de La Valette

Where do you live?

In the shadow of Diamond Head.

258 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:35pm

I'm partial to a "Department of Whup-Ass."

259 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #231 JSK1121

I sympathize with you, JSK. I traverse thehallowed halls of academia from time to time and have heard of The One such as: "He just wants to be a hero" and "He doesn't care about money" from some people that I considered very intellegent. It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

It's maddening yes, but the fight cannot be given up!

260 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:40pm

re: #192 freedomplow
Thanks for this!
Makes 'me all choked up! I miss this PATRIOT.

261 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:44pm

re: #186 Iron Fist
The Fist! Hangin ,Man. Working warehouse, parts puller. Making it okay. Work and rest from working. And theres this silliness.

262 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:01pm

re: #227 code red 21

There seems to be alot of anecdotal evidence like yours out there I just hope it means McCain will win.

November 4 is going to be an _interesting_ night.

I'm taking the 5th off. I intend to be either hung over, defending the homestead, or both...

263 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:08pm

re: #251 Dasher

Once again the Sheila Jackson Lee and Eddie Bernice Johnson brain trusters weigh in for the State of Texas.

264 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:44pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

There's a link there that we can't see.

265 itellu3times  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:54pm
These beautiful cards are blank on the inside

Res ipsa loquitur.

266 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:22:55pm

re: #263 jaunte

Once again the Sheila Jackson Lee and Eddie Bernice Johnson brain trusters weigh in for the State of Texas.

And don't forget Maxine Waters from the left coast.

267 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:12pm

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart

268 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:13pm

re: #262 Palandine

November 4 is going to be an _interesting_ night.

I'm taking the 5th off. I intend to be either hung over, defending the homestead, or both...


HA! Too funny. I have taken the past two election day afters off...been way too hung over waiting for a result...I get up at 3:30 PST and have not gone to bed until after 1:00 am...so I will be off on the 5th this year too...

269 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:15pm

re: #251 Dasher

I see that the excremental Pete Stark is on that list. He is as whacked as Kucinich and very much less pleasant to be around.

270 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #246 cblesz

OK...8:15 PM...go to the computer...had a few drinks...go to LGF...and see this?!?!? I thought it was a joke. What are they gonna do with the guys that literally SAW PEOPLE FREAKING HEADS OFF? Sit down for fucking tea and crumpets? Dear God, we are fucking screwed.

Now, now, remember, you cannot hug anyone with NUCLEAR arms....

As Elvis Costello says, "What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?".

Well, Elvis, nothing funny about that per se. But, if that is your "plan" for existing in this world full of evil people that wish you dead, I suggest that is suicide. But, at least the wonderful humans over at the Dept of Peace will have a warm and fuzzy feeling when the dirty bomb blows up in DC and they all die.

271 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:28pm

re: #266 Dasher

Oh yes, I'm just shaking my head over my local reps.

272 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:43pm

re: #237 ledger1

Is there a term for Blacks who won't go to a Black doctor or other professionals?

273 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:17pm

Forgive me if this has already been added, but I have been thinking of George Orwell a great deal of late:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - Orwell

274 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:26pm

Night, mates, interesting conversation, but I have things I have to do.....

275 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:59pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

Neither is mine. Maybe the old folks who fall for this fell for other nonsense when they were younger.

276 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:10pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

It's good to see The New Black Panthers are on this. *rolls eyes*

Where's all this racial healing that That One&#8482 was supposed to bring us?

277 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:16pm

re: #262 Palandine

I hear ya.

278 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:22pm

#259,

It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

You don't suppose it's because Obama is the.....

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

279 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:27pm

re: #259 mitthrawnurdo

I sympathize with you, JSK. I traverse thehallowed halls of academia from time to time and have heard of The One such as: "He just wants to be a hero" and "He doesn't care about money" from some people that I considered very intellegent. It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

It's maddening yes, but the fight cannot be given up!

The fight will not be given up. Not now, not on November 5 (God forbid) and not in 2012 (again, God forbid)!

280 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #272 de La Valette

"dumbass" comes to mind

281 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:08pm

re: #273 JohnAdams

Forgive me if this has already been added, but I have been thinking of George Orwell a great deal of late:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - Orwell

The speech by Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" comes to mind also. His character was flawed but that speech man, was dead on.

282 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:11pm
283 itellu3times  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:46pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

I've watched some people age over the years, and there does seem to be a corner that some turn, they opt out of the game, just play defense until the clock runs down. Can't really blame them, I guess.

284 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:51pm

re: #251 Dasher

HR808 Establish Dept of Peace and Non-violence
Sponsor
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] (introduced 2/5/2007)
Co-Sponsors
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 2/13/2007

From among the two most violent districts in the state. Lacy Clay loses over 100 constituents a year to murder.

285 Crusty  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:52pm

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

286 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:56pm

Will there be a department of "Coexist"? Because I know a lot of women with short, salt-n-peppa haircuts who drive Priuses who would be great nominees for Secretary General.

287 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:04pm

re: #247 godfrey

Interesting thought... coming from an engineering background, where we study things that actually work, where we have concrete results, it amazes me that people actually fund these "institutes" where the only product are reams full of mindless drabble.

288 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:26pm

re: #267 wkett

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart

Do you have a link for how to make your way out of a paper bag, too? ;)

289 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:34pm

re: #120 Syrah

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

290 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:30pm

re: #285 Crusty

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

You have his name wrong - it is Senator Government!

291 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:33pm

re: #257 IslandLibertarian

I guess I have never lived anywhere a permit was required (except for concealed carry and machineguns).

Gun Laws

292 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:53pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.


I saw it in a film class.

293 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:14pm

re: #161 6pat6

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.

I've always supported the idea of a draft. Mandatory, for everyone, two years in uniform. I'd keep combat arms volunteer, but all the support folk could be drafted. We need bodies when nature takes its course, and infantry are not the best for humanitarian missions in the Indian Ocean. We supply the food for the humanitarian aid, we need to supply the distribution as well. In South America, we sent food, and the Communists put a spanish language label on that said a gift from Russia. Since the poor villagers couldn't read or recognize english, it worked.

294 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:21pm

re: #203 Charles

And one of the perps defendents, Shannon Keith Finley, was already in jail for manslaughter which was a plea bargain down from murder.

The lawyer in that case is now the prosecutor in this case.

Had he been put in jail for life this possibly wouldn't have happened.

/Questionable justice.

295 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #256 Killian Bundy

No not really. It can't breath? It can't be lead?

296 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:43pm

re: #204 Palandine

I've never been able to shoot a DPMS, so I can't speak for the quality of their construction. I know that we had trouble with the M-4s overheating when I went to Reaganite's Party at Ft. Bragg. I think that I'd stick with semi-auto on an M-4 even if the machinegun weren't such a bitch to get legally because of this issue. An M-4 just has a 3 round burst option, anyway.

I hope that all the people buing firearms in anticipation of an Obama Administration are just buying expensive toys. Unfortunately, gun control is one of the mandatory planks in the Democratic Party's platform. I worry about what novel end-run against the Constitution that the Obama Administration to get gun control through in a manner that doesn't cost them the House and Senate.

297 yesandno  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:45pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Tell her you think that the name Obama on the lips of so many Israelis could well turn into the term Oh...bomba.

May God protect them all.

298 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:48pm

re: #217 Globular Cluster

No, but I bet we're going to have the ACLU get on the assault database and talk to every single possible "racial" assault that has media potential and contact them to RE-review the police report and to offer to represent them legally and of course use them for media fodder.

299 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:10pm

re: #276 x-wing

Let's just hope they didn't have McCain bumper stickers.

300 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:30pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

Sounds like a law firm in Tennessee.

301 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:35pm

re: #280 Desert Dog

It's an actual phenomenon, don't know if it has a name.

302 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:51pm

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

Notice how much more intellectual politicians were back then. Not quite to the level of the Founding Fathers, but much better than today.

303 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:52pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

Those will be Photoshopped in later as "proof of racism"

304 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:58pm

re: #281 wright1

The speech by Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" comes to mind also. His character was flawed but that speech man, was dead on.

You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall!

The trouble I have with most liberals, and believe me I am surrounded by them and they are in almost every case good people, is that they have had such a cushy life that they cannot comprehend violence, much less anticipate it nor plan for it.

305 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:07pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

I remember that short. It has been decades since I have seen it but I remember having seen it.

We had to read the story as well.

They used to have us read stuff like that in school.

I wonder what they have the kids read in its place. Maybe I really don't want to know.

306 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:17pm

re: #285 Crusty

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

*Palandine makes the Dr. Evil pinky-to-lip gesture*

Three MILLION dollars.

For what I think is going to be a very bad night to be the Messiah.

307 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #301 de La Valette

I have heard of that as well, but I do not know what the term is

308 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:34pm

There is only one kind of peace that works.

The we're so big, so strong, and intolerant of being dicked with that no one, sane or insane would every think of fucking around we us.

That's peace. Any other peace is dependent on the peaceful intentions of everyone else.

309 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:40pm

Despite numerous posts spelling out my feelings on the 'birth certificate' garbage, there are still people who come into LGF and try to promote it.

Another account has been blocked in the last thread on this subject. I was not kidding.

310 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:56pm

re: #264 FightingBack


Hit on the link again, it didn't work first time I hit it.

311 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:09pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

... The ellipsis mark

a) Use the ellipsis mark to indicate omissions within quotations.

b) Pauses and unfinished statements in quoted speech may be indicated with an ellipsis mark instead of a dash.

312 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:30pm

re: #262 Palandine

No Booz.
No Doz and defending the homestead...

313 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:41pm

re: #296 Iron Fist

I worry about what novel end-run against the Constitution that the Obama Administration to get gun control through in a manner that doesn't cost them the House and Senate.

Why, crippling ammunition taxes, of course.

Ask Santa for lots of 5.56 this year.

314 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:59pm

What a shock? Gov't computers uses to investigate "Joe the Plumber?" I am sure it cannot be so. [Link: www.dispatch.com...]

315 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:12pm

re: #309 Charles

It's going to be a difficult 4-8 years ahead.

316 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:12pm

re: #249 JeremyR

You seem well prepared. I doubt that you've neglected your ammo, spare mags, etc. Let's hope that it is just a nice gun collection.

317 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:15pm

re: #295 Kill gore Trout

It can't be lead?

That's what I got out of it.

/what about your strawberry, you're [expletive deleted] anyway, take full advantage of your remaining time?

318 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:23pm
319 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:32pm

re: #313 Palandine

Learn to Load

320 Irish Rose  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:33pm

I feel a violent comment coming on...

321 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:40pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

The Disney short is new to me. It was a different world back then wasn't it.

322 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:47pm

re: #276 x-wing

It's good to see The New Black Panthers are on this. *rolls eyes*

Where's all this racial healing that That One™ was supposed to bring us?

Here's some background.

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

Liberal Dirty Tricks Ignored
by L. Brent Bozell III
October 31, 2000

When Republicans win the White House, it’s never the force of their ideas. It has to be some kind of dirty trick.

Think back to 1988, and the endless barrage of news stories condemning the independent pro-Bush ads focusing on Willie Horton, the convicted murderer who was released on a weekend furlough and traveled to Maryland and raped a woman. It didn’t matter that the Bush campaign didn’t produce the ad. Throughout the entire Bush presidency (and even beyond), the major media vented their collective spleen at Republican race-baiting, the exploitation of white fears of black crime.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is now airing an ad that seeks to exploit black fears of white crime. Actually, that’s too kind. Over black and white video of a pickup truck dragging a chain, the daughter of Texas dragging death victim James Byrd declares, "So when Gov. George W. Bush refused to sign hate crimes legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again."

Gov. Bush is being tied directly to a vicious racist lynching. And from Brokaw, Jennings, Rather, Shaw & Co. -- not a peep. Clearly this is the most unfair, divisive, and repugnant ad in many moons, and it’s met with silence? At the very least, if the media were truly disinterested observers of the campaign and truly interested in the appearance of balance, they could draw an easy parallel between the Horton and Byrd spots for their hallowed "Ad Watch" pieces. But that would be false parity. Nothing Gov. Bush did led to Byrd’s death, and under Gov. Bush, two of his assailants will be put to death, while the furlough program under Gov. Dukakis allowed the release of Horton to commit more violent crimes.

323 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:23pm

Hey all y'all - not too late tonight - musta been the scheduled maintenance!
As for the Department of Peace I thought we already had one, called the Department of Defense, no?!

324 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:32pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

It's going to be a difficult 4-8 years ahead.

I agree with you there. McCain is not going to get anything done the first year with all the whining about stolen election and racism and stuff.

325 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:36pm

re: #310 x-wing

Hit on the link again, it didn't work first time I hit it.

I don't see a link. Just the ellipsis.
It's OK, I can pick the link up from subsequent posts.
I'l try to refresh.

326 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:47pm

re: #309 Charles

((((((Chalres)))))

327 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:53pm

re: #255 de La Valette

I guess this is wrong blog to get into a discussion of AR versus Springfield actions. There about the same price.

I like both. Both are battle tested, and reliable. The Springfield dates back to WW2, the Stoner to Vietnam.
Neither though, hold a candle to Brownings finest inventions (plural) the 1911 and BAR.

328 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:07pm

re: #309 Charles

Despite numerous posts spelling out my feelings on the 'birth certificate' garbage, there are still people who come into LGF and try to promote it.

Another account has been blocked in the last thread on this subject. I was not kidding.

If you ain't got integrity, you got nothin'. Hard to wade through the shite when you have so much info coming through. Well done.

329 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:08pm

re: #317 Killian Bundy

The strawberry thing is about experiencing the moment. Tune out the tigers and the mice chewing the vine and actually take joy in the present.

330 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:12pm

pimf - meant to bold.

(I better recognize words than symbols)

331 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:21pm

re: #308 jcm

Words of wisdom, my friend.....it's better to be feared than loved by our enemies

332 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:35pm

re: #325 FightingBack

Yes. That worked.

333 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:45pm

re: #326 MandyManners
Um, isn't that Charles ? Don't whack me, someone did a very similar thing to me, too!

334 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:53pm

re: #245 Gus 802

That $100,000 gazebo probably rattles like a wooden roller coaster frame when Dan Ryan Expressway train goes by.

335 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:05pm

re: #267 wkett

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart


Idiots! You must eat the poptart upside down with the gooey stuff on the bottom so all that sugar hits your tongue and not the ruff of your mouth. I really hate this kind of disinformation being spread around on the internet.

336 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #313 Palandine

According to an NRA flyer, "he supported a federal tax hike of 500% on firearms and ammunition." (Not exactly an objective source, I admit.)

But that's one way to do it.
The power to tax is the power to destroy, no?

337 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:10pm

re: #324 Racer X

Especially after he uses extraordinary rendition to send Soros to Malaysia.

338 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:40pm

re: #293 JeremyR

I don't agree with that. Two years isn't enough. Till they get through basic and AIT, they are alreadt short timers. Aint buying that. Alsoi you'll have people that don't want to be there, Read Tommy Franks book, and see what he thought.

339 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:10pm

re: #305 Syrah

I remember that short. It has been decades since I have seen it but I remember having seen it.

We had to read the story as well.

They used to have us read stuff like that in school.

I wonder what they have the kids read in its place. Maybe I really don't want to know.

We used to read things like, oh, The Red Badge of Courage and The Outsiders -- nothing too deep but still classics in their own right.

Now they probably read fabricated tripe like I Am Rigoberto Manchu.

340 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:47pm
341 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:52pm

re: #322 RTLM

Good catch. I'm sure Obama's people will be descending on Paris, Texas this weekend, ready to make an ad featuring the weeping mom clutching the 8 x 10 picture of her innocent boy.

342 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

In reality, I think it will end out meaning nothing for the election. Both candidates will condemn the murder and Texas will condemn the killers. No one's vote will be swayed.

343 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:04pm

re: #261 justdanny

Cool! The Girlfriend sends her love. I'm glad things are working out for you.

344 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #334 ledger1

Yep, a place for junkies and drug dealers to get out of the rain no doubt.

345 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:26pm

re: #323 realwest

Hey all y'all - not too late tonight - musta been the scheduled maintenance!
As for the Department of Peace I thought we already had one, called the Department of Defense, no?!

Personally I like the War Department.

You can talk to our Department of State, or the War Department, your choice makes no difference to us. The result is the same, our people and interest will be safe.

346 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:39:03pm

re: #309 Charles

I am a fan of Steve Malzberg in NYC and he is pushing this story with Berg but he is not bothered by the accusations against the White House for blowing up the towers and that is troubling.

I raised a point with Zombie last night about the issue of BHO's records from under grad to law school including admissions applications and financial aid applications. I do not know why they are hidden but I suspect there is a good reason. Is it related to birth? - who knows. My problem is more with the universal "uncuriosity" of the MSM of this and a hundred other issues while we have to listen to absurd reports concerning Governor Palin's clothing attire bill(s).

347 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:39:38pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Send her this and explain that the Obama sat and listened to this kind of rubbish from his spiritual mentor for 20 years. Talk about chutzpah.

348 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:10pm

I'm guessing this digger isn't the type of person they are looking for in the peace department:

Suffering from serious upper body wounds, the soldier struggled on to the front of his SAS long range patrol vehicle (LRPV) and, under heavy fire, used a rope to attach himself firmly between the vehicle's bull bar and radiator.

Once he was secured, and there was no chance that he would fall off if he fainted, he picked up his rifle and resumed firing at the enemy during a two-hour fighting withdrawal.

349 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:10pm

Interesting on Drudge...

A link purporting government computers used to find info on Joe the Plumber. Click on it and you get something that looks encrypted.

350 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:18pm

re: #338 x-wing
Well I don't know about that - back in the day (30+ years ago) we turned out some pretty damned good infantry troops with an 8 week basic training course and an 8 week Advanced Infantry Training course and then - after a 30 day leave - shipped off to Vietnam. And I have to say that the draftees did as well as did us enlisted personnel.
I know infantry has changed - newer weapons and other equipment but still - stretch it another 4-6 weeks of training and you'd have some pretty good troops I think.

351 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:35pm
352 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:45pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

BTW, I read Marcus Aurelius' The Golden Book and To Myself recently. Stoicism is very close to Zen.

353 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:58pm

re: #293 JeremyR

I've always supported the idea of a draft. Mandatory, for everyone, two years in uniform. I'd keep combat arms volunteer, but all the support folk could be drafted. We need bodies when nature takes its course, and infantry are not the best for humanitarian missions in the Indian Ocean. We supply the food for the humanitarian aid, we need to supply the distribution as well. In South America, we sent food, and the Communists put a spanish language label on that said a gift from Russia. Since the poor villagers couldn't read or recognize english, it worked.


Yup, I hear ya.
I still believe in the value of a professional corps. But there should also be a rotational part of the service that drafts civilians, and ALL should have to serve between the ages of 17 and 55 for 2 years - men, women, single, married, gay, straight, whatever.
And the mental and physical handicaps need to be monitored very carefully, because that stuff can be faked with the help of a physician.
Again, the citizen soldiers need to be a part of the service, because:
1. It's not healthy for a nation to rely solely on a professional military.
2. It's not healthy for the professional military to be left alone - a source of criticism and outside perspective can be very healthy and useful, within reason.
3. To ask that professional military to risk the lives of its members without being willing to do the same yourself is immoral in the extreme. You have to be willing to walk the walk.

354 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:31pm

re: #345 jcm
WAR DEPARTMENT - Shirley you jest! The "people" wouldn't want that cause it sounds so, so......aggressive! LOL!

355 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:37pm

re: #316 Iron Fist

You seem well prepared. I doubt that you've neglected your ammo, spare mags, etc. Let's hope that it is just a nice gun collection.

I hope so too. I plan on getting a press and lots of primers before 1 Jan. Mags? About 50 of em.

356 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:53pm

re: #339 StinkHammer

We used to read things like, oh, The Red Badge of Courage and The Outsiders -- nothing too deep but still classics in their own right.

Now they probably read fabricated tripe like I Am Rigoberto Manchu.

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

357 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:22pm

re: #327 JeremyR

I like both. Both are battle tested, and reliable. The Springfield dates back to WW2, the Stoner to Vietnam.
Neither though, hold a candle to Brownings finest inventions (plural) the 1911 and BAR.

/BAR / Thompson as demonstrated by Kim

358 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:43pm

Ah, back from the game. Team is now 8-0! Made over 650 for our high school band. What's been happening?

359 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:46pm
360 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:52pm

Ire: #334 ledger1

That $100,000 gazebo probably rattles like a wooden roller coaster frame when Dan Ryan Expressway train goes by.

I spent a year at IIT in Chicago way back in the early 80's and my room literally shook when the State Street El train went by. Only noticed it the first night.

361 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:56pm

Well the memory of the American electorate is about as long as a flea's penis. I hope the hell they like Jimmah Carter redux better than they liked the original incompetent spineless slug.

362 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:09pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

BTW, I read Marcus Aurelius' The Golden Book and To Myself recently. Stoicism is very close to Zen.

You know the difference between a Stoic and a Cynic? The Stoic brings the baby, and you wash it in the Cynic.

363 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:23pm

re: #349 spirochete

I got an article from the Columbus Dispatch

364 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:42pm

re: #349 spirochete

Probably nothing to worry about. Independent contractors and nosy government employees often snoop in federal databases. They'll lose their jobs if busted but it's not a grand conspiracy. It happens all the time.

365 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:06pm

re: #362 Moe Katz

Heh.

366 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:10pm

re: #218 gregg

I came across this relatively old video (2006) by Beccy Cole at Blackfive today. I think it's worth viewing and relevant to this topic.

Good for her .... Digger ... is that what they call soldiers in Australia?

367 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #363 Desert Dog

I got an article from the Columbus Dispatch

I still get goobledygook.

Must be Vista.

368 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:47pm

In the not too distant future of a Obama Presidency.


North Korea clamps down on mobile phones to stop news of food crisis

North Korea is clamping down on mobile phones and long distance telephone calls to prevent the spread of news about a worsening food crisis, according to the United Nations investigator on human rights for the isolated communist country
369 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:45:31pm

re: #359 MandyManners

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

God, I love that song. I want it played at my funeral...

370 Red Cloud  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:45:42pm

Wow. A Department of Peace. I'm sure the Department of Truth, the Department of Plenty, and the Department of Love aren't real far behind.

/another Orwell reference, yep

371 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:03pm

re: #242 StudSupreme

Go to the Dept. Of Peace site that explains what O wants to do with this civilian army.

372 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:10pm

re: #338 x-wing

I don't agree with that. Two years isn't enough. Till they get through basic and AIT, they are alreadt short timers. Aint buying that. Alsoi you'll have people that don't want to be there, Read Tommy Franks book, and see what he thought.

Two years gets them trained for a life time of need. There is a long line behind them, and limited space on board. If we train them, they will remember it years later.
Sure there are many who will hate it. I saw many of them and they were volunteers. Service will build a love opf country, and a belief that our soldiers are honest and capable, not the brutal thugs the media and Murtha claim we are.

373 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:18pm

re: #320 Irish Rose

I feel a violent comment coming on...


Quick, someone send in the Dept of Peace.

374 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:29pm

re: #354 realwest

WAR DEPARTMENT - Shirley you jest! The "people" wouldn't want that cause it sounds so, so......aggressive! LOL!

Don't call me Shirley!

I don't think "We'll Fuck You Up Department", would look dignified on the Pentagon.

375 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:33pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

I remember we also read To Kill A Mockingbird. I'd be surprised if it was on elementary reading curricula much anymore . . .

376 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:50pm

re: #353 StudSupreme
I have to say I agree, if only for two reasons: one is, if the nation should go to war (as in Iraq, say) then the American Public - or at least larger parts of it than do now - would necessarily be engaged in the war effort. The other is that universal service compels people to not only give up two years of their lives to the Nation (which I think does in fact connect or re-connect a lot of folks with the notion of America the nation) but to live, eat and work with folks from different backgrounds, races, ethnic groups and the like. I think that that is frankly a very healthy thing.

377 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #29 HelloDare

Do they have plans for any Peace Internment Camps?

You betcha!

378 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:06pm

re: #370 Red Cloud

Wow. A Department of Peace. I'm sure the Department of Truth, the Department of Plenty, and the Department of Love aren't real far behind.

/another Orwell reference, yep

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

379 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:25pm

re: #374 jcm

Don't call me Shirley!

I don't think "We'll Fuck You Up Department", would look dignified on the Pentagon.

The Department of the Permanent Time Out

380 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:41pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

The strawberry thing is about experiencing the moment. Tune out the tigers and the mice chewing the vine and actually take joy in the present.

Don't you guys know that tigers are allergic to strawberries?

381 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:43pm

re: #371 notutopia

Go to the Dept. Of Peace site that explains what O wants to do with this civilian army.

Oooh, I see. Sorry, I wasn't following.

I find the idea of OBama's civilian army to be not only astonishingly ludicrous, juvenile and moronic, but in the wrong hands it could be INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS.

In fact, it makes me shudder with dread.

382 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:14pm

re: #378 Moe Katz

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

383 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:23pm

re: #375 StinkHammer

My boys read that in the 7th grade here in Mesa, AZ

384 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

385 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:48pm

Well, I'll be watching Huckabee tomorrow night. Tim Daly (WINGS) is going to be on. That man is one good looking hunk of man. GAD, I hope he's not a moonbat.

386 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:54pm

re: #382 NomadOfNorad

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

This is the US version.

387 Irish Rose  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:13pm

By the way lizards, good evening to you all.

I've not been posting lately due to insane work hours and back to back shifts... looks like things are finally starting to settle down.

I remember the days when I used to stress about not having a job.... I guess I should be more careful what I wish for ;).

388 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:14pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

My kid just read The Outsiders (well, listened to the book on tape). She loved it. I think she also found it very inspiring that the author was a 17-year-old girl.

389 Red Cloud  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:25pm

re: #378 Moe Katz

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

Ooh, that would have made a great movie about 20 years ago... mixing Orwell with Monty Python! :)

390 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:40pm

re: #382 NomadOfNorad

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

Ministry of Silly Walks.

391 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:56pm

has anyone tried the haagen-dazs "black walnut" ice cream?
it is delicious.

392 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

/BAR / Thompson as demonstrated by Kim

Loved the Tommy gun until I actually held one. The old grease gun was good and cheap. The tommy was a complicated SOB. A thing of beauty, but still an SOB.

393 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #364 Killgore Trout

Probably nothing to worry about. Independent contractors and nosy government employees often snoop in federal databases. They'll lose their jobs if busted but it's not a grand conspiracy. It happens all the time.

Happens all the time? But in this case the info was conveyed on to the Obama campaign and to the press. Not exactly innocent.

394 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:24pm

re: #15 jaunte

"If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War."
-- George Washington

Another Great man who was known for putting Country First.

395 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:26pm

re: #354 realwest

Realwest, another lizard up thread asked about Miguel. Kilgore suggested that you may have been in touch with him.

I know he has suffered from a stroke

Any word on how he is doing?

Its been a long time since he has posted.

396 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:27pm

re: #392 JeremyR

heavy too

397 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:29pm

re: #319 de La Valette

And purchase quality brass casing ammo.

398 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:38pm

re: #372 JeremyR

Two years gets them trained for a life time of need. There is a long line behind them, and limited space on board. If we train them, they will remember it years later.
Sure there are many who will hate it. I saw many of them and they were volunteers. Service will build a love opf country, and a belief that our soldiers are honest and capable, not the brutal thugs the media and Murtha claim we are.


EXACTLY.

I've heard the idea that two years is not enough from other folks as well - all friends of mine who have served.
However: it's not really the point. With two years training, you now have a corpus that can be drawn upon in time of great need that is better than a completely UNTRAINED body of civilians. Also, it's a concentrated effort at building an extra layer of civic duty and love of country into the citizenry. Finally, it does give the military an opportunity to test out weapon systems to make them more usable and robust (as opposed to relying always on super highly trained specialists) and provides a chance of recruiting the best of the draftees for longer term service.

399 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:02pm

re: #361 maddogg
Ya know that's just not right. Comparing McCain to Jimmy Carter is just plain silly.
Not to mention horribly insulting to McCain!

400 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #386 Moe Katz

This is the US version.

Yeah, true. Figured that might have been what your intention was... :D

401 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:28pm

re: #375 StinkHammer

I remember we also read To Kill A Mockingbird. I'd be surprised if it was on elementary reading curricula much anymore . . .

Racist.

402 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #366 JacksonTn

Good for her .... Digger ... is that what they call soldiers in Australia?

Yes. BTW I'm not an Australian, I guess that song just seem to have struck a chord (no pun intended).

403 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:51pm

re: #380 yah

Don't you guys know that tigers are allergic to strawberries?

/the vine chewing mice are the immediate problem

404 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:57pm

re: #243 jonathan1984

From what I gathered form the AP “news” report was a routine accident and body was caught under frame and dragged (probably dead from the first impact).

It’s not like someone tying a person to the bumper of truck and dragging them though main street.

The AP is trying to imply a calculated racist attack – I don’t by it. In CA there have been a number of people, such as illegal aliens, hit and stuck under a vehicle. The AP story is agi-prop.

And, of course it will help the victim’s mother get a larger settlement.

405 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:09pm

re: #223 thedude

Sounds like a campaign commercial. Barack is running to fix Washington, but he was hired to fix Chicago, and quite obviously failed. In fact, if anything it is worse. Is that the record he wants to run on for a promotion?

406 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:39pm

re: #350 realwest

I don't doubt it. I'd like to see everyone sign up for a hitch, I don't want it forced on them.

407 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:43pm

re: #399 realwest

Ya know that's just not right. Comparing McCain to Jimmy Carter is just plain silly.
Not to mention horribly insulting to McCain!

In the event that I owe John an apology, I will issue a public one with grace, humility, and gratitude. And I sincerely hope I have to.

408 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:51pm

Being kind of cheap I opted for the venerable SKS 7.62x39mm and the Makarov 9mm pistol.

409 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:51pm

re: #395 Syrah

Realwest, another lizard up thread asked about Miguel. Kilgore suggested that you may have been in touch with him.

I know he has suffered from a stroke

Any word on how he is doing?

Its been a long time since he has posted.

He usually posted at night. Perhaps Realwest can get in contact with him?

BTW I just contacted Lucius Septimius since I hadn't seen his nic in months. He's doing well.

410 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #346 wright1

What I don't get about the story is that with 3 kids who have all been involved with sports is that it is very normal for the parents to have to show league officials the kid's BC to prove eligibility. No one ever files a motion to not have to do that. I just don't get it. I completely understand why Charles wants nothing to do with this story, but I don't get why Obama refuses to clear all this up. Does it help him to let this CT live on?

411 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:20pm

re: #384 hermeneutics

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

These are early high schoolers. This is The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton, I believe.

412 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:44pm

re: #393 Dasher

Yes, and get ready for that if he gets in.....Clinton was famous for that treatment and I can only imagine what the Obamessiah will do with the powers at his command.....I would guess his willing accomplishes in the press will be oh so happy to comply....just ask Joe the Plumber. Someone gets on the wrong side of "The Government", prepare for a "colonoscopy" of epic proportions

413 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:57pm

re: #353 StudSupreme

What are you blathering about? First, we have a military of citizen soldiers, second, the military is not a frikking democracy. You are given an order and you obey it. "Ours is not to question why..." No such thing as a let's talk about it option.

414 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:00pm

re: #392 JeremyR

Loved the Tommy gun until I actually held one. The old grease gun was good and cheap. The tommy was a complicated SOB. A thing of beauty, but still an SOB.

With a 20 round magazine.

/almost as puzzling as the 10 round BAR magazine

415 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

Yeah. Come to think of it, if the guy has a free hand to pick strawberries, why not grab the mousies and eat them instead?

416 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #392 JeremyR

If you ever get a chance, you'd love an H&K MP 5. It is the absolute sweetest shooting gun ever made.

417 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:22pm

re: #384 hermeneutics

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

I'm referring to SE Hinton's The Outsiders, the "coming-of-age" book about an outcast gang of "greasers" in the early '60s. Also made into a movie starring Ralph Macchio, Matt Dillon, and a bunch of other up-and-coming stars of the day ... (help me out here folks -- don't wanna have to go a-googlin'...)

418 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:23pm

re: #411 JohnAdams

These are early high schoolers. This is The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton, I believe.

I've never heard of it. Dumb me. And I have a middle school age kid. Hmmmm.

419 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:33pm

re: #253 StudSupreme

Whatever, Junior. You sound like a stupid fucking troll. Oh, wait, you are. Out.

420 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:35pm

re: #408 Dasher

Being kind of cheap I opted for the venerable SKS 7.62x39mm and the Makarov 9mm pistol.

If you can get your hands on a good CZ-52 it is an excellent weapon, with a velocity of over 1500 fps it has good penetration too.

421 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:42pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

/the vine chewing mice are the immediate problem


Not to worry, they will be in their own race war in a few minutes.

422 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:45pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

try a cat....I have three, I can rent one out to you for cheap

423 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:46pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

Maybe some of the older people don't have family to explain things to them like your mother has you ....I can understand why older people get scared .....it would be scary to be old and not knowing what is going on with your country....they are probably thinking they are being thrown under the rug ....I have seen posts of many young dailykos types who say things like ... I can't wait for the baby boomers to die so we can take over this country ...your mother is lucky she has you ... but many don't have anyone ..

424 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:02pm

re: #387 Irish Rose
Hi Rose! Hey I've been in situations in my life where there wasn't enough work and situations where there was too much work and frankly, I preferred the too much work, myself!

425 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #404 ledger1

More than likely considering they were all either acquainted or friends. All three have (had) a rap sheet.

Here's the Lamar County search page if anyone feels the urge to search these guys priors.

As stated before the Finley has a prior and conviction (nolo) on another murder case.

426 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:20pm

re: #340 TheMatrix31

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Obama Supporters

What is America?

Reagan "America is freedom"

Essentialized. Who speaks for freedom today?