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And Now, the Department of Peace

Politics | Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:30:44 pm PDT

Coming soon, under the shiny happy Obama administration: The Department of Peace.

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1 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:31:57pm

Still no Peacemaker on the site.

2 jrhelgeson  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:01pm

I feel better already

3 mbruce  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:50pm

Omaba is a can't.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:32:58pm

Our enemies legs are tingling.

5 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:33:43pm

Department of Appeasement is more like it.

6 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:34:49pm

They even have a page on Obama's website: Department of Peace advocates for Obama

7 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:24pm

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

8 gmsc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:30pm

A: The dove is the bird of true peace.

B: That's nice. What's the bird of true love?

A: The swallow.

9 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:35:53pm

The only type of "peace" this will promote is the peace of the dead.

10 Dustyvet  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:05pm

re: #3 mbruce

Omaba is a can't.

can't or a won't?

11 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:28pm

It's like Obama wants to bury America alive.
What a clown.

12 Muadib  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:36:48pm

Peace in our time? Again?

Buy more ammo.

13 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:19pm

It will take the rest of my life for my country to crawl out of this hole I see being dug. And that's if we get a Reagan after 4 years of Obama. Ugh.

14 gmsc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:30pm

It's nice to see these people fight for peace. If that works, maybe they can f**k for virginity.

15 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:32pm

"If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War."
-- George Washington

16 DM Glampers  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:40pm

Boy did I get in late on the Shatner thread!

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:44pm

"All we are saying
Is give peace the lance."

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #11 Joan Not of Arc

It's like Obama wants to bury America alive.


The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

19 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:14pm

Another Orwellian Bureaucracy. I can't figure out if this is another jobs program for loser hippies or another attempt to submit to Allah once and for all.

20 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:18pm

LOL!
Let's all hold hands and sing "We Are The World"! Hell, let's make it our NATIONAL ANTHEM! And then PEACE will reign over the earth, and the fields will be filled with chocolate waves of grass, and trees that grow candy canes, and cotton candy flowers, all under a purple sky with faeries flying around! WOOOT!

;-)

21 onepistoffyid  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:31pm

Yes, when you submit and resign yourself to your fate as a victim and cease fighting, that is peace-that is what they mean by peace, that is why they call Islam a religion of peace.

Time to get in touch with your inner victim, says the Messiah.

22 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:33pm

I think we should create a Department of "Getting These Motherfuckers Out Of Our Country".

23 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:54pm

So many shiny happy people.

After we get a Department of Peace, we can gather together in circles and dance while singing Kumbaya!


Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

/

24 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:38:56pm

re: #14 gmsc

It's nice to see these people fight for peace. If that works, maybe they can f**k for virginity.

LOLOLOLOL!

25 SteveC  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:39:09pm

I haven't seen this one yet:

She relayed a story, apparently an Internet story going around about a bum on the street holding a sign that says "Vote For Obama, I Need The Money." A businessman walks by the bum and enters a restaurant where he meets a waiter wearing a tie that says "Vote for Obama." The businessman is served his lunch with perfect service. The businessman is demanding, taking up an extra ordinary amount of the waiter's time. In the end the waiter did a fantastic job. He worked hard to keep his customer happy. But to no avail. The businessman left no tip. Confused and angered he asked the businessman why no tip was left. The patron stated that the gentleman outside sitting on his ass asking for money would get his tip, just as his tie requested.

And with that, the waiter understood exactly how it felt to work hard and sacrifice, only to have others who sit on their ass and do nothing enjoy the fruits of his labor, risk and sacrifice.

26 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:39:29pm

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

27 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:06pm

Department of Peace: Another Federalized, psychologized, hippie-cult.

28 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:15pm

First on the “Department's” list is getting that “Joe Plumber” guy out the way even if he goes under the bus.

No embarrassing questions of the ObamaOne will be tolerated.

/

29 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:17pm

Do they have plans for any Peace Internment Camps?

30 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:28pm

No people in history have ever survived who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies. Dean Acheson

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. Margaret Thatcher

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Winston Churchill

No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb. Franklin D Roosevelt

Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian. Heywood Broun

The one sure way to conciliate a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured. Konrad Adenauer

You may gain temporary appeasement by a policy of concession to violence, but you do not gain lasting peace that way. Anthony Eden

I trust that a graduate student some day will write a doctoral essay on the influence of the Munich analogy on the subsequent history of the twentieth century. Perhaps in the end he will conclude that the multitude of errors committed in the name of 'Munich' may exceed the original error of 1938. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr

31 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:32pm

I agree, here's the roadmap - right on cue

Air Force Nuclear Enterprise Roadmap

32 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:39pm

Yep as soon as Biden's predicted testing of the US by our friends, Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, NK and the rest, The department of peace will spring into action with empty negotiations and the dominant position of abject defeatism! The Department of Peace's official motto "Peace through submission!" Yaaar!

33 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:58pm

Read all about it.

Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Introduced in House)

[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

34 Dustyvet  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

Chicago Murder Rate Tops New York And Los Angeles

35 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:40:59pm

Coming up next! Department of Parenting.

36 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:00pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

I think we should create a Department of "Getting These Motherfuckers Out Of Our Country".

Awesome. I second that.

37 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:04pm

Because if you have peace, your rights don't really matter, cause ya know man ya got peace. We have absolutely got to beat Obama.
If you have to crawl tro the polls, please crawl.

38 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:33pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

/if it's going to happen I say, hand them the handbasket and wish them bon voyage

39 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:41:43pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Not as sweet as he tasted to the tigers.

40 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:01pm

Can the Department of Political Correctness be far behind?

41 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:26pm

Wasn't the Department of Peace tinfoil hat Dennis Kucinich's idea?

42 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #12 Muadib

Peace in our time? Again?

Buy more ammo.

I'm debating on another AR-15. If Obama gets elected, they will only go up in value, unless Nancy P Lousy and Company out law them entirely.

43 Hannibal Smith  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:44pm

Bah, he ripped that off from Kucinich.

44 DM Glampers  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:47pm

Let's say by 2010 no SCOTUS appointments (except replacing Ginsberg perhaps) happen to be confirmed; how likely is it to reverse any damage done by 'The nOne' assuming a 1994-like conservative wave sweeps into the majority?

45 norar  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:47pm
46 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:55pm

Annihilation will be unavoidable.

/The theme of my "Department of Peace".

47 stevieray  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:42:56pm

Bookmark these for further reading:

The Peace Racket by Bruce Bawer

Behind The Placards
by David Corn

These detail the roots of the current "peace studies" movement.

Guess what... the founders of these things are all dictator loving Marxists! But I bet y'all already knew that...

48 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:04pm

Peace = Submission

49 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:18pm

Department of Peace = Department of "We Give Up"

50 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:52pm

Every elevator in the place is blaring, "Incense, Peppermints, Strawberry Wine . . . "

51 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:54pm

We already HAVE a Department of Peace - it's called the US Military! They go to battle, stomp ass wherever necessary, enough bad guys die where peace breaks out! Job done.

WTF is B-HO thinking? Yeah, I know exactly what that Jackass is thinking!

52 SavannahWinslow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:43:55pm

Department of Peace, sponsored by Code Pink (among others). Surprise!

53 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:44:30pm

re: #42 JeremyR

I would recommend a nice loaded, M1A for a little more punch.

54 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:44:39pm

Visualize Whirrled Peas!

/Give me peace, or give me death! Don't hurt me..please!

55 neocon hippie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:12pm

I'd say there's a decent chance, say 20% or so, that Obama will so compromise the security of this nation that our military will have no choice but to munity and/or take him out in a coup.

56 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

Dude.

57 baxtrice  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:58pm

re: #51 6pat6

We already HAVE a Department of Peace - it's called the US Military! They go to battle, stomp ass wherever necessary, enough bad guys die where peace breaks out! Job done.

WTF is B-HO thinking? Yeah, I know exactly what that Jackass is thinking!

That should be on a plaque (in very large font.), hung prominently.

58 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:45:59pm

I bet all of those foreign service officers who gave to Obama are pissed; they think they are the Department of Peace

60 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:19pm

I assume President Obama will appoint Dennis Kucinich as US Secretary of Peace, after all, Kucinich has been pushing for a Department of Peace for years now.

61 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:35pm

Strangely enough, Jessica Biel is our Department of Piece.

62 neocon hippie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:37pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Very popular story in newage (rhymes with sewage) spirituality circles.

63 pat  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:38pm

1984. Department of Peace = Re education and monitoring of war like Americans and those Americans that do not meet International standards for humility, apologies, and charitable donations.

64 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:46:51pm

Ya know what we need to straighten out the idiot gen-x, gen-y and post gen-y mental midgets who are going for all this idiocy and worshipping at the feet of the Obamessiah?

WE NEED A F*****' DRAFT.

Send 'em thru for 2 years of service in the military - MANDATORY, NO EXCEPTIONS OR DEFERMENTS, NO CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR OPTION.

They will LEARN, and grow up FAST.

65 yesandno  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:03pm

Wow....

That dove has the weight of the world in it's beak!

/does that explain the economic collapse? Dropped it to get that piece of hamburger bun thrown out at the park by that lady in pink.

66 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:11pm

Department of Piss

67 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:27pm

re: #62 neocon hippie

Very popular story in newage (rhymes with sewage) spirituality circles.

Pardon my ignorance, but i don't know the genesis of this story.

68 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:34pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The real question is, "Can he do it?" He has 4-8 years, it'll be interesting to watch his try.

It ain't over yet. The people haven't spoken.

/He's going to lose.

69 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:34pm

Department of Peace French Style:

French Military History in a Nutshell

70 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #56 Charles

Dude.

Am I the only one who has no idea what that passage meant?

71 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:01pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

Chicago Murder Rate Tops New York And Los Angeles

Of course the Atlanta city council is like 100 percent black and 98 percent Democrat. And Atlanta has been doing a lousy job of protecting it citizens culminating in a botched drug raid killing an innocent 92 year old grand mother who's only mistake was to install suveillance camera to keep the crooks out, The Narcs decided she was a dealer and pulled a no knock drug raid she defended her-self and died for it. The narcs performed a lousy cover-up and three of them are in jail serving some serious time. Atlanta, where the police kill the innocent and ignore real crime and corruption.

72 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:01pm

He could also call it the Department of Roll Over and Scratch My Belly.

Obama's living in a fantasy world. As Bugs would say, "What a maroon".

73 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:03pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

This is scary. I just posted the department of peace thing on my blog with the suggestion to form "Department of Get These Asshats Out of Our Country". You must be genius!

I like yours better, to be honest.

74 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #60 Ringo the Gringo

That mental midget Kucinich would be a scary little shit as a Secretary of Anything. He reminds me of Robert Reich, that little puke that was Clinton's SecLabor

75 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

Why would you punish the military with babysitting those clowns?

76 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:06pm
Coming soon, under the shiny happy Obama administration: The Department of Peace.

How's he going to pay for it? He's already got a $trillion+ cue of new spending lined up and and if they get 60 seats in the Senate, he could ram it all home along with the 40 year old Supreme Court Justices to the left of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

/now remember, he promised to not raise taxes one penny for 95% of you!

77 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:11pm

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?

78 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:12pm

re: #47 stevieray

Yep. The USSR used to sponsor most of that stuff.
I guess it was too much to hope that the fall of the USSR would bring an end to the nonsense.

79 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:20pm

They send their press releases to Commondreams.org. That's all I need to know.

80 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:34pm

Between the idiocy of Miller and McDermott [Link: www.workforce.com...] , HR800 and now this...

Another e-mail to my congressman.

This is just getting tiresome. Now I gotta look up the status of this piece of shitlegislation.

81 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #68 Palandine

It ain't over yet. The people haven't spoken.

/He's going to lose.

What makes you think so?

82 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:01pm

"Wars are caused by undefended wealth."
-- Ernest Hemingway

Maybe the Department of Peace will be in charge of giving everything
away to the rest of the world. That way we will have nothing
and will be safe from the world's jealousy.
////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////
Sarc tag tax, coming up.

83 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:07pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

84 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:22pm

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

85 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:35pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

That was a King of the Hill episode.

86 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:37pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

Wait a minute. I am Gen X. So is ArmyHusband who didn't need to be drafted to serve his country, thank you very much.

87 Crusty  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:46pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

And Chicago, which seems to be in an annual steeplechase with Richmond and D.C. for Most Per Capita Homicides every year.

If The 0ne is such a lightbearer, an agent of peace, a healer of the sick, worker of miracles, economic genius, etc., why didn't we see any of that in Illinois when he was senator here?!

88 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:53pm

I wonder if the Peace dept will employ truth squads special police from the ministry of truth to investigate hate speech that which is unfavorable to the one dear leader

89 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:49:56pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

No Problem Phillies in 5

90 Biff  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:01pm

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

91 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:13pm

re: #88 jetprop

Yes

92 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:24pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

Doesn't matter, they don't start the damned games until 9pm anyway. And they wonder why kids don't follow baseball anymore. IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ASLEEP!

93 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:32pm
why didn't we see any of that in Illinois when he was senator here?

Booosh! Boooosh!

94 MikeG  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:33pm

Welcome to 1984! I'm votin' fer BHO then straight to my 2 min of ...

95 boogereatinmoron  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:37pm

Will the DoP be headed up by the Secretary of Surrender?

96 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:46pm
97 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:46pm

re: #7 LoFlyer

Arrr, mates here's a list of municipalities that support this garbage, the Orwellian department of PEACE!

" City Councils across the U.S. are acknowledging the practical impact a Department of Peace will have on reducing violence in our nation and abroad. Thirty-seven local governing bodies have endorsed so far, including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oakland, San Francisco , San Jose and more. Learn how you can work with your city council by clicking here. "

God help us all, mates! Of course Atlanta is one of them, haaar!

I wonder what the sworn peace officers in those cities think of this.

98 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:50:52pm

re: #70 TheMatrix31


Whew, I thought I was getting stupider and only I didn't get the meaning of that passage.

99 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:02pm

Time to order our berets.

100 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:04pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

That is incredible.

101 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:26pm

re: #77 godfrey

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?

University of Notre Dame, to our eternal shame.

102 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:35pm

re: #60 Ringo the Gringo

I assume President Obama will appoint Dennis Kucinich as US Secretary of Peace, after all, Kucinich has been pushing for a Department of Peace for years now.

And he could be the Under Secretary on Extraterrestrial Affairs also.

103 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #77 godfrey

Didn't Joan Kroc (McDonald's $$$) endow a Peace Studies program somewhere?


Notre Dame

104 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

Just add 3AM real clear on the nightstand clock and you have a winner

105 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:48pm

re: #84 opnion

They are pushing back the start of a World Series game 15 minutes for Obama's half hour infomercial. Anybody else think that this is just wrong?

Yeah. It's going to piss off a bunch of Joe the plumbers.

106 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:51pm

re: #73 ArmyWife

This is scary. I just posted the department of peace thing on my blog with the suggestion to form "Department of Get These Asshats Out of Our Country". You must be genius!

I like yours better, to be honest.

Definitely. I don't pull punches. I wish McCain didn't pull punches.

107 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:51:52pm

re: #82 jaunte

"Wars are caused by undefended wealth."
-- Ernest Hemingway

Maybe the Department of Peace will be in charge of giving everything
away to the rest of the world.
That way we will have nothing
and will be safe from the world's jealousy.
//////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////
Sarc tag tax, coming up.


You mean we'll be witnessing the dismantling of the US by peacemeal?

108 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:08pm

I would like to apply for the following positions:

Director of Rainbow Encouragement
Good Feelings Manager
Unicorn Procurement Officer
Undersecretary of Dreams

109 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:17pm

re: #101 Palandine

University of Notre Dame, to our eternal shame.

My condolences.

110 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:26pm

re: #104 ACJohn

And check the jammies for subliminal messages.

111 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:30pm

Gandhi didn't even have a Dept. of the PEACE!

112 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

I believe these have a shelf life of 8 years.

113 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:52:45pm

re: #103 opnion

Notre Dame

She also gave $300 million to NPR, IIRC.

114 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #96 wkett

That was fricken' awesome!

115 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:08pm

re: #100 TheMatrix31

Quantum leaps better than the "Scare the Old People" Medicare ads I see here in good ol' central PA.

/Page 3 of the Democrat election campaign handbook - How to Scare the Hell Out of Old People.

116 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:17pm

re: #83 mitthrawnurdo

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

117 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:53:37pm
118 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:14pm

I nominate Ron Jeremy as the head of the Peace Department !

119 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:29pm

Right, the Kroc Institute. They were the ones that wanted to tenure Tariq Ramadan, grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Peace, right.

120 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #70 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who has no idea what that passage meant?

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

121 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #96 wkett

Department of Peace

Awesome. Peace through superior firepower.

122 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #113 spirochete

She also gave $300 million to NPR, IIRC.

All of that money for crappy food.

123 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:43pm

Today while driving east on Versailles Road, inbound to Lexington Ky from Versailles Ky I was behind a white service van. On the rear window a sticker reading, Palin 08. The 0 in 08 was a weapon scope cross hairs.

....?

I got pictures. I called the company. Seemed shocked, swore to act.

124 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #119 godfrey

Right, the Kroc Institute. They were the ones that wanted to tenure Tariq Ramadan, grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Peace, right.

Peace: What a Kroc.

125 the_flying_pig  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:02pm

We do have a Department of Peace for decades: it is called the Department of Defense.

126 Scion9  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:04pm

re: #67 spirochete

Pardon my ignorance, but i don't know the genesis of this story.

It's a Buddha parable, back before he started looking like Hitchens.

127 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:07pm
128 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:10pm

re: #86 ArmyWife

Wait a minute. I am Gen X. So is ArmyHusband who didn't need to be drafted to serve his country, thank you very much.

Ma'am, you and your hubbie are extraordinary exceptions.
Forgive me if I use such a broad brush - after all, verminous filth like Bill Ayers are baby boomers like me, though I'd rather be dipped in a nuclear furnace than have anything to do with such as him.

Thank your husband for being solid as a rock.

129 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:22pm

re: #53 de La Valette

I would recommend a nice loaded, M1A for a little more punch.

Mine sports an 4x16-40mm Illuminated reticle by BSA. Good beyond 1000 yards.
DPMS offers several M-10 variants in calibers such as .243.
Also, you can get the AR chambered in 6.8SPC, or even 7.62x39.
My local dealer has the new HKs in .45 auto available. Price is steep at $1500. Thats almost an M1A and an AR.

130 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:28pm

re: #117 Palandine

The US Military - the only government institution liberals feel needs cut all the time.

/ As opposed to NEA grants for artists to create more Piss Christ pieces..well, that's an underfunded mandate!

131 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #64 StudSupreme

I'm Gen X, going on 11 years in the army. It's's tough enough dealing with the weirdos that volunteer for service, I'd probably kill some of the ones that don't want to be here.

132 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:01pm

re: #101 Palandine

I have no problem with private money and a religious institution studying peace and conflict resolution. Even a little Government seed money is OK.

But, where in role of Government does this global group hug appear:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

133 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:21pm

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace.' they say, when there is no peace...I appointed watchmen over you and said, 'Listen to the sound of the trumpet! But you said, 'We will not listen.' -- Jeremiah 6: 14,17

134 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:23pm

re: #81 code red 21

What makes you think so?

The Messiah doesn't bring anyone to the table who wouldn't already vote Dem, and he's pissed off a huge number of Dem voters--gun owners, people who work with their hands (Joe the plumber), people of faith, women (due to his shabby treatment of Hillary and now Governor Palin). McCain, for the very reason the republican base isn't thrilled with him, can draw just enough of those disaffected folks to win.

Americans don't elect liberals who run as liberals. Obama's going to lose.

135 freeus  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:52pm

The tiger thing reminded me of the story about the lady that rode on the back of a crocodile, and ended up inside of him by the end of the story. There once was a lady from... That one.

If Obama is so much for surrender and peace, then why is he suggesting he wants to draft my daughters? Somehow draft and peace do not conjure up the same picture in my mind. Draft to my mind equaled WWII and Vietnam. Peace was when we nuked Japan, and pushed for the Surge in Iraq. When will the pansies ever understand you only have peace when someone is stronger, has the most guns, biggest army, best missile defense, etc.? Do they ever read a history book? Oh, I forgot, they read Marx instead. And man that was a real peaceful ideology was it not? Right!

136 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:56:53pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

I don't want anybody there who doesn't wanna be there.

137 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:57:07pm

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

138 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:57:30pm

re: #90 Biff

How McCain will win this election.

The campaign's final week commercial (courtesy of Biff):

"3 am est Feb 1, 2009"

Achmadinijad screaming, Mullahs chanting.
Obama - I will meet him without preconditions.
Centrifuges, missiles, more Achmadinijad.
A great explosion.

Cut to flashing red light on a telephone ringing on a nightstand.
A slightly wrinkled, mottled, pale hand in a pajama sleeve reaches out, and picks up the receiver.

Voice on phone, "Sir, It's the situation room."

Cut to "McCain for President" logo on black screen.
"This is John McCain and I endorse this message."

Arrr, mate if I wanted to take down the Iranian centrifuge operation, I would hack the network that control the things, and create a domino effect that would destroy the entire cascade, destroying the process and contaminating the whole place would put a severe dent Iranian nuclear aspirations hopefully for enough time for a home-grown revolution to occur....

139 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:01pm

Rainbow warriors and patchouli bombs, I can see it now.

Let's send the Code Pink Brigade to Afghanistan!

140 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:15pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

We HAVE citizen soldiers - they are Guardsmen and Reservists! I do NOT want a bunch of draftees calling "bullshit" and "chickenshit" when push comes to shove! They are in the military, drafted or not, to BE in the military and follow the lawful orders of those above them! Drafted or not, every service member IS already duty-bound to serve, period! Why do you think a "questioning" force is a good thing, somehow? Were YOU ever in? What good comes from a military where the junior members get to pick and choose the fight? You sound like an Obamaton, pal.

141 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:24pm

Peace Through Strength

Ronald Reagan'

142 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:31pm

Cross hairs don't seem peaceful to me.

143 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:33pm

And now for the one hundred millionth rendition of "Give Peace a Chance"

144 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:58:50pm

re: #55 neocon hippie

I'd say there's a decent chance, say 20% or so, that Obama will so compromise the security of this nation that our military will have no choice but to munity and/or take him out in a coup.

You give our military no credit. Our soldiers have served Clinton and Carter. They will not refuse to serve Obama, although many will resign or ETS rather then be jester to the clown.
Military have faith in the ultimate good of the voters, and will trust that 2010 will abate Obama by electing a conservative congress that is veto proof.
I some how expect war will come, but it will be the lef who strikes first.

145 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:01pm

Whois shows that The Peace Alliance is a part of Global Renaissance Alliance.

Also an offhsot of new ager Marianne Williamson.

146 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:21pm

re: #120 Syrah

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

Nope, haven't read it before. I just read it, and maybe I'm just in a dense mood but I have no idea what the American equivalent meant either.

147 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:32pm

re: #138 LoFlyer

I think that keeping oil prices down by expanding supplies, increasing efficiency, ect, ect. would go a long way to formenting revolution in Iran as well as stopping their nuclear program.

However, there's a potential problem - the mad mullahs may feel the need to do something drastic (in a hands-off way, of course) to spike those prices back up.

148 ted  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:32pm

re: #137 godfrey

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

Chirp.

149 opnion  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #134 Palandine

The Messiah doesn't bring anyone to the table who wouldn't already vote Dem, and he's pissed off a huge number of Dem voters--gun owners, people who work with their hands (Joe the plumber), people of faith, women (due to his shabby treatment of Hillary and now Governor Palin). McCain, for the very reason the republican base isn't thrilled with him, can draw just enough of those disaffected folks to win.

Americans don't elect liberals who run as liberals. Obama's going to lose.


Lord have mercy, I'm witchah!

150 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:43pm

re: #119 godfrey

Why is it that basically conservative capitalists (Ray Kroc and Walter Annenburg, the Fords, e.g.) end up financing the whacko left?
Drives me crazy.

151 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 7:59:47pm

What A President Obama's Cabinet Might Look Like?

From the belly of the beast.

/read it and weep

152 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #33 Kreuzueber Halbmond

So the “Department of Peace” springs up in well timed effort to get the Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Introduced in House) enacted?

That would not surprise me one bit.

153 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:17pm

re: #146 TheMatrix31

Nope, haven't read it before. I just read it, and maybe I'm just in a dense mood but I have no idea what the American equivalent meant either.

It will make sense in time.

154 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:29pm

re: #129 JeremyR

I used to work with H&K in Sterling and fired some older AR-10 (Stoners?); I wasn't aware of any current production.

155 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:37pm

a dept. of peace is an invitation to war.

156 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:00:57pm
157 pittrader1988  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:00pm

this is just great.

and my wife says, "how many deadbeats can we get to work in that department?"

158 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:39pm

re: #131 Nuclear Ninja

I'm Gen X, going on 11 years in the army. It's's tough enough dealing with the weirdos that volunteer for service, I'd probably kill some of the ones that don't want to be here.

You, sir, are a rare exception.
Of course, my baby boomer generation had some real slobs, so I should hardly criticize.
I think it would be great for the country if everyone had to serve. I noticed my dad (who served as a GI) always had common ground with other veterans. It's a great thing to see.

159 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:01:50pm

re: #150 wolfie

Must be something about the folks that go into non-profit foundation work as a career.

160 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:07pm

Rodney King wrote the motto for the Department of Peace.

Why can't we all just get along?

161 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:12pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.

162 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #147 mitthrawnurdo

I think that keeping oil prices down by expanding supplies, increasing efficiency, ect, ect. would go a long way to formenting revolution in Iran as well as stopping their nuclear program.

However, there's a potential problem - the mad mullahs may feel the need to do something drastic (in a hands-off way, of course) to spike those prices back up.

Well, let's hope the department of Peace can get a handle on the issue, because no one else has....
/that truly sux mate.....

163 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:31pm

re: #134 Palandine

I hope to hell you have a good record of picking winners because we can't afford to have BO as our POTUS. We're the last lifeboat in the world and he'll sink us for sure.

164 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:32pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

But Stud,
He will use this as an incentive for tuition reimbursement or as a student educational stipend for their hours of contribution...middle school and high school children? How are they going to benchmark the Pentagon's actions and use of our military?
If he holds true to his beliefs, he will also remove juvenile delinquents from
detention facilities and utilize them a well?
Is this what you were envisioning to police the military?
I believe he wants a checks and balance to equal the millions of us who have and will preserve the right to bear arms, according to the constitution!

165 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:45pm
166 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:02:48pm

re: #150 wolfie

Because they marry whacko liberals as trophy wives and raise spoiled rich brats who get to spend their money after they drop.

167 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:09pm

re: #150 wolfie

Sometimes they intend to, sometimes not. It's probably more common that they intend to set up something, and do, but allow other people to decide who will direct and staff it. The directors and staffers end up being leftists. It's frustrating to the donors.

168 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:16pm

Cindy Sheehan will be made the Secretary of Peace. You heard it here first.

169 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:40pm

re: #56 Charles

Dude.

Zen.

170 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:45pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.


Wow. I am so positive that any 18 year old would know better than a General and could call "bullshit".
What a STUPID thing to say.

171 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:03:59pm

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

172 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:04:05pm

Kwatz!

173 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:05pm

re: #137 godfrey

The US Military has been keeping the peace in Iraq and helping them rebuild their country to the point where even Democrats acknowledge its success.

I'd like the Kroc Institute, or any institute of "Peace Studies," to match that.

I'm listening.

On the contrary - the Dhimmicrats do NOT acknowledge the success of the surge. It represents a defeat to their ideology.

174 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:08pm

re: #42 JeremyR

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

175 Fearless Fred  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I want to ask you a question ... via email. How may I?

Fred

176 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:34pm

re: #112 HelloDare

I used to have a bunch of those from old C rations. A word to the wise; rehydrate them

before

eating.

177 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:54pm

re: #118 ted

I nominate Ron Jeremy as the head of the Peace Department !

Barney frank would er..be pleased.re: #141 freedomplow

Great ad.

178 ciaospirit  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:05:58pm

It makes me sick the way Michelle O used the grandmother on the campaign today in Ohio. She spoke oh so sweetly and said Barack told her that he gets his strength from his grandmother and "We call her Toots." Not to her face, apparently. Since Michelle and the girls didn't go to see her when on vacation in Hawaii a few months ago, and, now that she's dying, well, that doesn't warrant a visit from the grandkids to their beloved Toots either. Yesterday, radio news said B Hussein spent one hour with her. He spent more time on the airplane getting over there. Before she became gravely ill, anybody know of a time when she praised her grandson during this campaign? Why not?

179 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:19pm

I think it's an excellent idea. We can draft platoons of moonbats and send them into war zones to promote peace.

If they're sucessful, great...if not, well that's not so bad either!

180 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:27pm

I applied for a "permit to purchase firearms" today.
Regardless who wins the election, I will have my own "Department of Peace Through Firepower".
/dead serious

181 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:29pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Zen.

/please Uncle Killgore, please tell us the one about the cow with no nostrils

182 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:34pm

re: #175 Fearless Fred

What's so secret? C'mon spill yer beenz.

183 JHW  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:06:35pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if I got it either (no zen studies), but it reminded me of this one for some reason.
Buddha and the Spider's Thread

184 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:02pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama
She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Tell her that you liked the way that they kept saying "Hussein" over and over.
Like a Shibboleth.

185 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:23pm

re: #179 Ringo the Gringo

Human Shields!

186 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:24pm

re: #123 justdanny

Hey, man, wha 'sup?

187 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:28pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Send her to the RNC:

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

Just as important are their print ads:

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

188 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:07:50pm

The British screw up badly - [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Hiring-Gurkha-girls-weaken-British-army-warns-bras s.html

I just heard the ambush interview with Ayers run on Fox. He said,"This is my property, please get off it."

Amusing statement from commie/anarcho/rat bastard.

Then he called the police on the reporter.

Wow.

189 jetprop  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:00pm

re: #177 jetprop

PIMF..meant that to be for #141

190 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:00pm

re: #163 code red 21

I hope to hell you have a good record of picking winners because we can't afford to have BO as our POTUS. We're the last lifeboat in the world and he'll sink us for sure.

I've got no special information, except I live in Missouri which is widely considered a toss-up state and I can tell you I've seen, throughout the state, way more McCain signs than Obama signs and way fewer Obama signs than there were Kerry signs in 2004. Bush won Missouri in 04, and McCain will win Missouri in 08.

If the media and the pollsters are wrong about Missouri, what else are they wrong or lying about?

191 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:01pm

re: #152 ledger1

The times they are a changing.

192 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:04pm

Add this video to this thread?

There is a price we will not pay!

193 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

The lessons of Athens and Sparta (and Revolutionary France) were well known to our Founders and they specifically rejected a Constitution ban on a standing, professional Army.

They enshrined a well armed populace to address the potential problem of a military coup.

Rather then dilute the military to protect our Constitution; arm yourself.

194 code red 21[deleted]  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:12pm
195 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:14pm

re: #181 Killian Bundy

I don't know that one. Are you thinking of the Ox Herding Pictures?

If anyone should ask the meaning of this,
Behold the lilies of the field and its fresh sweet-scented verdure.

196 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:27pm

re: #135 freeus
Because Obama and friends will need an army to keep US citizens peaceful -

197 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:51pm

re: #140 6pat6

We HAVE citizen soldiers - they are Guardsmen and Reservists! I do NOT want a bunch of draftees calling "bullshit" and "chickenshit" when push comes to shove! They are in the military, drafted or not, to BE in the military and follow the lawful orders of those above them! Drafted or not, every service member IS already duty-bound to serve, period! Why do you think a "questioning" force is a good thing, somehow? Were YOU ever in? What good comes from a military where the junior members get to pick and choose the fight? You sound like an Obamaton, pal.


Stop frothing, honey.
It's a healthy thing to have questions in the Army. The Armed Forces of the USA have trained draftees in the past to obey orders and win wars, and they can do it again.
But honestly - doesn't it worry you that one day, a professional military might become disconnected in thought and feeling from the civilian population, and begin to decide for itself what is important and right? It's happened before.
Also, think about this:
Lots of Libs like to call for intervention in Darfur.
OK.
Let's see any of them sign up. If it's that important, they should be willing to risk THEIR lives, not just somebody else's.

Do you see what I'm saying?

198 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:08:59pm

The Ur-Quan masters will love it.

199 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:27pm

re: #180 IslandLibertarian

Where do you live?

200 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:37pm

re: #188 Van Helsing

I just heard the ambush interview with Ayers run on Fox. He said,"This is my property, please get off it."

Amusing statement from commie/anarcho/rat bastard.

Then he called the police on the reporter.

Wow.

What did he call them?

201 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:46pm

re: #183 JHW

That's a complicated one. I'll have to ponder that one for a while.

202 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:09:49pm

A Zen master once said to me, "Do the opposite of whatever I tell you."

So I didn't.

203 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:04pm
204 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:05pm

re: #174 Iron Fist

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

I was happy with my DPMS AR-15.

/until it just...disappeared...one day, President Obama (*shudder*). Hell of a thing...

205 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:20pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

I don't know that one. Are you thinking of the Ox Herding Pictures?

/The Story of Kyong Ho

206 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:36pm

re: #137 godfrey

Sometimes I wonder if it's time for the US military so "intervene" against lefty cluelessness. I know it's crazy talk, but there has to be a solution out there.

207 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:43pm

lol

208 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:48pm

re: #184 FightingBack

Tell her that you liked the way that they kept saying "Hussein" over and over.
Like a Shibboleth.

Also tell her that2/3 of Israelis support McCain:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

209 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:10:53pm

re: #159 jaunte

Must be something about the folks that go into non-profit foundation work as a career.

You may well be right about that.
Conservatives tends to gravitate toward productive jobs and liberals toward....................well,.................sigh

210 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #83 mitthrawnurdo

The military doesn't want a draft. Can you imagine all the young Obamatrons in the military ALL AT ONCE?

/Go from "planned chaos" to just chaos.

Unfortunately, if things on Earth start going pear-shaped, we may have no choice BUT to reactivate the draft... :-| :-| :-|

211 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #154 de La Valette

I used to work with H&K in Sterling and fired some older AR-10 (Stoners?); I wasn't aware of any current production.

Armalite.
Stoners company is back at it!
DPMS also has offerings, as does model 1 sales.

212 republic  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:24pm

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

213 Van Helsing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:11:44pm

re: #200 FightingBack

What did he call them?

It must have been something nice because the police showed up to escort Ayers back to his car.

The reporter must have been pretty scary.

214 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:10pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Artist and Directors in this. No different than our Hollywood crowd. My 2 cents

215 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Oh my..where to start...

Have her look up these names, just as a starting point:

Jeremiah Wright.
Louis Farahakan.
Samantha Powers.

/The guy in the video making this documentary about The One missed all time he was hanging out with Rev Wright, saying all kinds of crap about the Israelis abusing Palestineans. Obama is good for Israel? Bah...Obama is only good for Obama, and for the left.

216 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Try this
The Jewish Case Against Barack Obama

217 Globular Cluster  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

The authorities say there is no evidence that it was racially motivated.

218 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:45pm

I came across this relatively old video (2006) by Beccy Cole at Blackfive today. I think it's worth viewing and relevant to this topic.

219 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #206 jonathan1984

I'll give you a solution right now. The directors of these institutes serve at the pleasure of their university provosts. Provosts can't change the mission statements of those institutes, but they can fire and appoint new directors, which would have a dramatic effect on what those institutes fund, and do.

Difficult, but possible.

220 bosforus  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:50pm

Department of Peace Mindless Naive Tools Who Will End Up Succumbing To Every Demand From Our Enemies Until The United States Of America No Longer Exists

221 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:12:57pm

We do not need a DoPe anywhere near the White House.

/With a Dept of Peace, you'll of coarse need a newly appointed Privacy and Civil Liberties Officer.

/How about Gavin Newsome -

222 Fearless Fred  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:08pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Heh .. .. sorry. It's just kind of embarrassing. I'm not here much lately, and I thought you might know -- whatever has happened to Señor Miguel? Is he alive or dead? The whole thing about 'maybe had a stroke' ... do you know? I miss him quite a lot.

Fred

223 thedude  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:40pm

from a commentor on the Washington Times...
By: gazelle777
The U.S. should immediately pull out of Chicago !
Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq .

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durb in, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley).....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago . Of course, they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund: $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want).

Chicago school system one of the worst in country. (And Obama was actively working to "change" it!)

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Why didn't he do something to fix Illinois?

Any of you liberals have an intelligent answer for that question? And remember, the key word here is 'intelligent'.

October 24, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. | Mark as Offensive

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

224 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:55pm

re: #214 ACJohn

Some of the crowd looked like communism had failed them before. And would again.

225 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:13:55pm

re: #178 ciaospirit

It makes me sick the way Michelle O used the grandmother on the campaign today in Ohio. She spoke oh so sweetly and said Barack told her that he gets his strength from his grandmother and "We call her Toots." Not to her face, apparently. Since Michelle and the girls didn't go to see her when on vacation in Hawaii a few months ago, and, now that she's dying, well, that doesn't warrant a visit from the grandkids to their beloved Toots either. Yesterday, radio news said B Hussein spent one hour with her. He spent more time on the airplane getting over there. Before she became gravely ill, anybody know of a time when she praised her grandson during this campaign? Why not?

he seems to consider the grandmother a punishment. she is, after all a typical racist white person.
he is an ingrate, thankless self-centered. a very cold person.

226 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:05pm

re: #222 Fearless Fred

Heh .. .. sorry. It's just kind of embarrassing. I'm not here much lately, and I thought you might know -- whatever has happened to Señor Miguel? Is he alive or dead? The whole thing about 'maybe had a stroke' ... do you know? I miss him quite a lot.

Fred

I have wondered the same.

227 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:10pm

re: #190 Palandine
There seems to be alot of anecdotal evidence like yours out there I just hope it means McCain will win.

228 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:17pm

A very simple working definition for peace is how effectively we are able to transform conflict before it escalates into violence.

IOW, they're admitting their position is useless in violent situations.


Current thinking in the field of peace studies posits that peace is a state of being that can be cultivated within ourselves, our communities, our societies, our civilizations and our world. Peace happens at all levels.

Hey, imagine peace. Your enemies don't.

229 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:20pm

re: #197 StudSupreme

Stop frothing, honey.

OK, asshole. You really are an ignorant, condecending prick. But, that's why we in the military fight for, is for ungrateful, ignorant fucks like you to spout off stupid shit like you do. Have a day.

230 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:23pm

re: #205 Killian Bundy


I heard about the cow with no nostrils
and suddenly the whole universe is my home.
Yon Am Mountain lies flat under the road.
A farmer, at the end of his work, is singing.

The Koans don't have much appeal to me. I'm more of a Shikantaza kinda guy.

231 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:27pm

re: #215 mitthrawnurdo

Oh my..where to start...

Have her look up these names, just as a starting point:

Jeremiah Wright.
Louis Farahakan.
Samantha Powers.

/The guy in the video making this documentary about The One missed all time he was hanging out with Rev Wright, saying all kinds of crap about the Israelis abusing Palestineans. Obama is good for Israel? Bah...Obama is only good for Obama, and for the left.

I know, I know. It's very frustrating to me that she even sent it. I'm pretty sure she's voting for the good guy (and gal :)), and I sent her links to about 6 articles detailing Obama's 'questionable' (at best) stance on Israel. We have family in Jerusalem, and I have a very strong feeling they'll all be voting for McCain, as they are religious and not moronic-kapo-Jews.

232 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:31pm

re: #203 Charles

24 day rule.

233 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:43pm

re: #219 godfrey

Aren't the provosts usually as lefty as anyone else, though?

234 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:52pm

re: #161 6pat6

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.


Actually, I am.
ANd it should be 17-55.

235 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:14:55pm

re: #223 thedude

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.

236 Adrenalyn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:21pm

but if McCain wins

I am going to be the

Secretary of Offense

talk about pre-emption
I am going to have a separate sub-department
called the bluff-calling group

237 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:28pm

re: #104 ACJohn

In actuality, I think the electoral race is very close.

I have seen estimates of McCain getting approximately 259 to 275 votes (it takes 270 to win). But I think that estimate says McCain must win PA and OH which are very close now.


Like it or not, the “Bradley Effect” will be much higher than expected.

[Zombie explains the Bradley Effect]:

“Despite being a well-known phrase, the Bradley Effect is quite often misreported by the media and misunderstood by the public to mean that whites who are racist will refuse to vote for any black candidate yet will lie to pollsters about their intentions for fear of having their racist attitudes exposed. As a result, polls sometimes over-report support for black candidates in elections when they are running against white candidates. But this is a gross misapprehension of what the term means. First of all, the phrase "Bradley Effect" originally only referred to a bare-bones description of what actually happens in such races: White voters tell pollsters they intend to vote for the black candidate, but on election day they either vote for the white candidate or don't vote at all…”

See: The Lefts big blunder

238 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:39pm

re: #235 RTLM

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.

Lots of "change" passed from one set of hands to another.

239 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:15:54pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

Good grief!

240 republic  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #235 RTLM

Obama didn't "Change" anything in Chicago.


Yes he did create change in Chicago, things got worse after he meddled in things.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:36pm

re: #222 Fearless Fred

Miguel from mexico? He had a stroke a while ago. He posted a few times since then but it was pretty obvious he was having motor control difficulties. I think realwest has talked to him a few times and you can check with the late night crew here, they might have some more updates.

242 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:49pm

re: #164 notutopia

But Stud,
He will use this as an incentive for tuition reimbursement or as a student educational stipend for their hours of contribution...middle school and high school children? How are they going to benchmark the Pentagon's actions and use of our military?
If he holds true to his beliefs, he will also remove juvenile delinquents from
detention facilities and utilize them a well?
Is this what you were envisioning to police the military?
I believe he wants a checks and balance to equal the millions of us who have and will preserve the right to bear arms, according to the constitution!


Huh?
I'm sorry, I'm not following you.
What's this about high school kids or juvie delinquents?

243 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:16:58pm

re: #203 Charles

How... convenient.

244 Yankee Sojourner  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:06pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Send your mother the truth! Send it yesterday! Start with directing her to O's fauxChristian church website archives and a video or two of Jeremiah Wright. Or start here with Charles' excellent coverage. There's no shortage of sites exposing Obama for what he is, only a shortage of ears that will hear and eyes that will see.

245 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:22pm

re: #235 RTLM

He helped put up a gazebo.

/Gazebogate

246 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:17:24pm

OK...8:15 PM...go to the computer...had a few drinks...go to LGF...and see this?!?!? I thought it was a joke. What are they gonna do with the guys that literally SAW PEOPLE FREAKING HEADS OFF? Sit down for fucking tea and crumpets? Dear God, we are fucking screwed.

247 godfrey  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:18:58pm

re: #233 jonathan1984

No, they often come from business fields.

There are other options related to how endowment payout increases can be tied to matching university (rather than institute) priorities.

248 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:01pm

re: #115 mitthrawnurdo

Quantum leaps better than the "Scare the Old People" Medicare ads I see here in good ol' central PA.

/Page 3 of the Democrat election campaign handbook - How to Scare the Hell Out of Old People.

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

249 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:03pm

re: #174 Iron Fist

For ARs I'd want either a Colt or a Bushmaster, but if you really want to get an investment quality rifle get H&K. They're really fine firearms. If I didn't have everything I wanted and I had the money to invest I'd be buying between now and the end of the year.

An Obama Administration will see movement on the gun control issue. The bredth and scope of the new laws will depend on how close to the 60 votes in the Senate.

My first AR was from Essential Arms in Lousiana. (also my second)
My third is a Bushmaster carbon 15 pistol. #4 is an LMT lower with a Model 1 uper in 7.62x39. #5 is an Armalite in 9mm. #6 is a Bushmaster M-17 bullpup. #7 is a DPMS with a Bushmaster upper. The M-17 and the DPMS cam e assembled. The others I built. The first one, I asemb led everything, the others had completed uppers.
I am fearful of what a solid dem congress will do.

250 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:25pm

re: #217 Globular Cluster

The authorities say there is no evidence that it was racially motivated.

Well of course it was racially motivated! A black man was murdered by two white men. How could it NOT be a hate crime?

* He said while completely ignoring the black on white crimes.

251 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:28pm

HR808 Establish Dept of Peace and Non-violence
Sponsor
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] (introduced 2/5/2007)
Co-Sponsors
Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 2/14/2007
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/11/2008
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 2/13/2007
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 2/5/2007
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 2/5/2007
Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 2/5/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 2/16/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 2/5/2007
Rep Gilchrest, Wayne T. [MD-1] - 7/9/2008
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 2/13/2007
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 5/1/2007
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 2/5/2007
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 2/5/2007
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 2/5/2007
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 5/21/2007
Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] - 2/5/2007
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/1/2007
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] - 2/5/2007
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] - 7/24/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 2/5/2007
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] - 3/26/2007
Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] - 5/2/2007
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-6] - 2/5/2007
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 2/5/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 2/5/2007
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 2/5/2007
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 2/5/2007
Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] - 2/14/2007
Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] - 2/13/2007
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II [WV-3] - 3/5/2007
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 2/5/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 2/5/2007
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27] - 2/5/2007
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 6/13/2007
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. [CA-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] - 2/5/2007
Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 5/20/2008
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wu, David [OR-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 2/5/2007

Screaming libs all

252 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:34pm

re: #203 Charles

...

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

253 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:36pm

re: #229 6pat6

OK, asshole. You really are an ignorant, condecending prick. But, that's why we in the military fight for, is for ungrateful, ignorant fucks like you to spout off stupid shit like you do. Have a day.

Are you crying now?
Honestly, what's wrong with you? You sound shrill and hysterical.

254 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:51pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

Ironically, the fraudulent episode in Pa. may serve as an innoculation to prevent against unecessary emotionalism over a potential contrivance of a story. On the other hand, it may be legit. But this story may well be swallowed up by the shadow of the great state of Texas where stories like this do not get the play they might in the East or West. One thing we hope for is that it obviously is that it not unfairly tilt the election, tragic as it might be. That said, to the extent that there is a tragedy, our hearts go out nonetheless.

255 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:19:53pm

re: #211 JeremyR

I guess this is wrong blog to get into a discussion of AR versus Springfield actions. There about the same price.

256 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:00pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

The Koans don't have much appeal to me. I'm more of a Shikantaza kinda guy.

/you get the difference between a cow and a cow with no nostrils though, right?

257 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #199 de La Valette

Where do you live?

In the shadow of Diamond Head.

258 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:35pm

I'm partial to a "Department of Whup-Ass."

259 mitthrawnurdo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #231 JSK1121

I sympathize with you, JSK. I traverse thehallowed halls of academia from time to time and have heard of The One such as: "He just wants to be a hero" and "He doesn't care about money" from some people that I considered very intellegent. It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

It's maddening yes, but the fight cannot be given up!

260 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:40pm

re: #192 freedomplow
Thanks for this!
Makes 'me all choked up! I miss this PATRIOT.

261 justdanny  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:20:44pm

re: #186 Iron Fist
The Fist! Hangin ,Man. Working warehouse, parts puller. Making it okay. Work and rest from working. And theres this silliness.

262 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:01pm

re: #227 code red 21

There seems to be alot of anecdotal evidence like yours out there I just hope it means McCain will win.

November 4 is going to be an _interesting_ night.

I'm taking the 5th off. I intend to be either hung over, defending the homestead, or both...

263 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:08pm

re: #251 Dasher

Once again the Sheila Jackson Lee and Eddie Bernice Johnson brain trusters weigh in for the State of Texas.

264 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:44pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

There's a link there that we can't see.

265 itellu3times  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:21:54pm
These beautiful cards are blank on the inside

Res ipsa loquitur.

266 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:22:55pm

re: #263 jaunte

Once again the Sheila Jackson Lee and Eddie Bernice Johnson brain trusters weigh in for the State of Texas.

And don't forget Maxine Waters from the left coast.

267 wkett  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:12pm

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart

268 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:13pm

re: #262 Palandine

November 4 is going to be an _interesting_ night.

I'm taking the 5th off. I intend to be either hung over, defending the homestead, or both...


HA! Too funny. I have taken the past two election day afters off...been way too hung over waiting for a result...I get up at 3:30 PST and have not gone to bed until after 1:00 am...so I will be off on the 5th this year too...

269 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:15pm

re: #251 Dasher

I see that the excremental Pete Stark is on that list. He is as whacked as Kucinich and very much less pleasant to be around.

270 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #246 cblesz

OK...8:15 PM...go to the computer...had a few drinks...go to LGF...and see this?!?!? I thought it was a joke. What are they gonna do with the guys that literally SAW PEOPLE FREAKING HEADS OFF? Sit down for fucking tea and crumpets? Dear God, we are fucking screwed.

Now, now, remember, you cannot hug anyone with NUCLEAR arms....

As Elvis Costello says, "What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?".

Well, Elvis, nothing funny about that per se. But, if that is your "plan" for existing in this world full of evil people that wish you dead, I suggest that is suicide. But, at least the wonderful humans over at the Dept of Peace will have a warm and fuzzy feeling when the dirty bomb blows up in DC and they all die.

271 jaunte  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:28pm

re: #266 Dasher

Oh yes, I'm just shaking my head over my local reps.

272 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:23:43pm

re: #237 ledger1

Is there a term for Blacks who won't go to a Black doctor or other professionals?

273 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:17pm

Forgive me if this has already been added, but I have been thinking of George Orwell a great deal of late:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - Orwell

274 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:26pm

Night, mates, interesting conversation, but I have things I have to do.....

275 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:24:59pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

Neither is mine. Maybe the old folks who fall for this fell for other nonsense when they were younger.

276 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:10pm

re: #203 Charles

Here we go again.

It's good to see The New Black Panthers are on this. *rolls eyes*

Where's all this racial healing that That One&#8482 was supposed to bring us?

277 code red 21  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:16pm

re: #262 Palandine

I hear ya.

278 Mark1957  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:22pm

#259,

It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

You don't suppose it's because Obama is the.....

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

279 JSK1121  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:27pm

re: #259 mitthrawnurdo

I sympathize with you, JSK. I traverse thehallowed halls of academia from time to time and have heard of The One such as: "He just wants to be a hero" and "He doesn't care about money" from some people that I considered very intellegent. It's like when the O craze settles upon a person, all rational thought concerning Obama immediately shuts down.

It's maddening yes, but the fight cannot be given up!

The fight will not be given up. Not now, not on November 5 (God forbid) and not in 2012 (again, God forbid)!

280 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #272 de La Valette

"dumbass" comes to mind

281 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:08pm

re: #273 JohnAdams

Forgive me if this has already been added, but I have been thinking of George Orwell a great deal of late:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - Orwell

The speech by Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" comes to mind also. His character was flawed but that speech man, was dead on.

282 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:11pm
283 itellu3times  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:46pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

I've watched some people age over the years, and there does seem to be a corner that some turn, they opt out of the game, just play defense until the clock runs down. Can't really blame them, I guess.

284 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:51pm

re: #251 Dasher

HR808 Establish Dept of Peace and Non-violence
Sponsor
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] (introduced 2/5/2007)
Co-Sponsors
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 2/13/2007

From among the two most violent districts in the state. Lacy Clay loses over 100 constituents a year to murder.

285 Crusty  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:52pm

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

286 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:26:56pm

Will there be a department of "Coexist"? Because I know a lot of women with short, salt-n-peppa haircuts who drive Priuses who would be great nominees for Secretary General.

287 jonathan1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:04pm

re: #247 godfrey

Interesting thought... coming from an engineering background, where we study things that actually work, where we have concrete results, it amazes me that people actually fund these "institutes" where the only product are reams full of mindless drabble.

288 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:26pm

re: #267 wkett

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart

Do you have a link for how to make your way out of a paper bag, too? ;)

289 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:27:34pm

re: #120 Syrah

There is an American equivalent, sort of. You may have read it.

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

290 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:30pm

re: #285 Crusty

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

You have his name wrong - it is Senator Government!

291 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:33pm

re: #257 IslandLibertarian

I guess I have never lived anywhere a permit was required (except for concealed carry and machineguns).

Gun Laws

292 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:28:53pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.


I saw it in a film class.

293 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:14pm

re: #161 6pat6

Besides, a draft would work ONLY if men and women were BOTH draftable (you can thank the NOW crowd for that, BTW!) with absolutely NO educational or other deferments, other than a proven mental or physical limitation that would prevent one from going to battle. EVERYONE, regardless of financial status, would be eligible from 18 - 45 years of age. Are YOU prepared for that kind of draft? I didn't think so.

I've always supported the idea of a draft. Mandatory, for everyone, two years in uniform. I'd keep combat arms volunteer, but all the support folk could be drafted. We need bodies when nature takes its course, and infantry are not the best for humanitarian missions in the Indian Ocean. We supply the food for the humanitarian aid, we need to supply the distribution as well. In South America, we sent food, and the Communists put a spanish language label on that said a gift from Russia. Since the poor villagers couldn't read or recognize english, it worked.

294 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:21pm

re: #203 Charles

And one of the perps defendents, Shannon Keith Finley, was already in jail for manslaughter which was a plea bargain down from murder.

The lawyer in that case is now the prosecutor in this case.

Had he been put in jail for life this possibly wouldn't have happened.

/Questionable justice.

295 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #256 Killian Bundy

No not really. It can't breath? It can't be lead?

296 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:43pm

re: #204 Palandine

I've never been able to shoot a DPMS, so I can't speak for the quality of their construction. I know that we had trouble with the M-4s overheating when I went to Reaganite's Party at Ft. Bragg. I think that I'd stick with semi-auto on an M-4 even if the machinegun weren't such a bitch to get legally because of this issue. An M-4 just has a 3 round burst option, anyway.

I hope that all the people buing firearms in anticipation of an Obama Administration are just buying expensive toys. Unfortunately, gun control is one of the mandatory planks in the Democratic Party's platform. I worry about what novel end-run against the Constitution that the Obama Administration to get gun control through in a manner that doesn't cost them the House and Senate.

297 yesandno  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:45pm

re: #171 JSK1121

My Jewish mother just sent me this video;

Israel for Obama

She wants to know what I think. Any suggestions from fellow lizards?

Tell her you think that the name Obama on the lips of so many Israelis could well turn into the term Oh...bomba.

May God protect them all.

298 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:29:48pm

re: #217 Globular Cluster

No, but I bet we're going to have the ACLU get on the assault database and talk to every single possible "racial" assault that has media potential and contact them to RE-review the police report and to offer to represent them legally and of course use them for media fodder.

299 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:10pm

re: #276 x-wing

Let's just hope they didn't have McCain bumper stickers.

300 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:30pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

Sounds like a law firm in Tennessee.

301 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:35pm

re: #280 Desert Dog

It's an actual phenomenon, don't know if it has a name.

302 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:51pm

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

Notice how much more intellectual politicians were back then. Not quite to the level of the Founding Fathers, but much better than today.

303 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:52pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

Those will be Photoshopped in later as "proof of racism"

304 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:30:58pm

re: #281 wright1

The speech by Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" comes to mind also. His character was flawed but that speech man, was dead on.

You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall!

The trouble I have with most liberals, and believe me I am surrounded by them and they are in almost every case good people, is that they have had such a cushy life that they cannot comprehend violence, much less anticipate it nor plan for it.

305 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:07pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

I remember that short. It has been decades since I have seen it but I remember having seen it.

We had to read the story as well.

They used to have us read stuff like that in school.

I wonder what they have the kids read in its place. Maybe I really don't want to know.

306 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:17pm

re: #285 Crusty

You've read that Mayor Daley is...prematurely...arranging a huge victory party for Obama in Chicago's Grant Park. The last event of that size in Grant Park was the 4th of July fireworks during the 2008 Taste of Chicago festival.

2 shootings, 4 people shot, 1 fatally.

I'm not going anywhere near Mr. Department of Peace's celebration.

*Palandine makes the Dr. Evil pinky-to-lip gesture*

Three MILLION dollars.

For what I think is going to be a very bad night to be the Messiah.

307 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #301 de La Valette

I have heard of that as well, but I do not know what the term is

308 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:34pm

There is only one kind of peace that works.

The we're so big, so strong, and intolerant of being dicked with that no one, sane or insane would every think of fucking around we us.

That's peace. Any other peace is dependent on the peaceful intentions of everyone else.

309 Charles  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:40pm

Despite numerous posts spelling out my feelings on the 'birth certificate' garbage, there are still people who come into LGF and try to promote it.

Another account has been blocked in the last thread on this subject. I was not kidding.

310 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:31:56pm

re: #264 FightingBack


Hit on the link again, it didn't work first time I hit it.

311 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:09pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

... The ellipsis mark

a) Use the ellipsis mark to indicate omissions within quotations.

b) Pauses and unfinished statements in quoted speech may be indicated with an ellipsis mark instead of a dash.

312 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:30pm

re: #262 Palandine

No Booz.
No Doz and defending the homestead...

313 Palandine  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:41pm

re: #296 Iron Fist

I worry about what novel end-run against the Constitution that the Obama Administration to get gun control through in a manner that doesn't cost them the House and Senate.

Why, crippling ammunition taxes, of course.

Ask Santa for lots of 5.56 this year.

314 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:32:59pm

What a shock? Gov't computers uses to investigate "Joe the Plumber?" I am sure it cannot be so. [Link: www.dispatch.com...]

315 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:12pm

re: #309 Charles

It's going to be a difficult 4-8 years ahead.

316 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:12pm

re: #249 JeremyR

You seem well prepared. I doubt that you've neglected your ammo, spare mags, etc. Let's hope that it is just a nice gun collection.

317 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:15pm

re: #295 Kill gore Trout

It can't be lead?

That's what I got out of it.

/what about your strawberry, you're [expletive deleted] anyway, take full advantage of your remaining time?

318 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:23pm
319 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:32pm

re: #313 Palandine

Learn to Load

320 Irish Rose  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:33pm

I feel a violent comment coming on...

321 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:40pm

re: #289 StinkHammer

There was a short black & white movie made of the Owl Creek Bridge story (made back in the '60s, I think). No dialogue. They used to show it to us in grade school on, like, rainy days when recess was indoors. That and Disney shorts like Toot, Whistle, Plunk, & Boom.

The Disney short is new to me. It was a different world back then wasn't it.

322 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:33:47pm

re: #276 x-wing

It's good to see The New Black Panthers are on this. *rolls eyes*

Where's all this racial healing that That One™ was supposed to bring us?

Here's some background.

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

Liberal Dirty Tricks Ignored
by L. Brent Bozell III
October 31, 2000

When Republicans win the White House, it’s never the force of their ideas. It has to be some kind of dirty trick.

Think back to 1988, and the endless barrage of news stories condemning the independent pro-Bush ads focusing on Willie Horton, the convicted murderer who was released on a weekend furlough and traveled to Maryland and raped a woman. It didn’t matter that the Bush campaign didn’t produce the ad. Throughout the entire Bush presidency (and even beyond), the major media vented their collective spleen at Republican race-baiting, the exploitation of white fears of black crime.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is now airing an ad that seeks to exploit black fears of white crime. Actually, that’s too kind. Over black and white video of a pickup truck dragging a chain, the daughter of Texas dragging death victim James Byrd declares, "So when Gov. George W. Bush refused to sign hate crimes legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again."

Gov. Bush is being tied directly to a vicious racist lynching. And from Brokaw, Jennings, Rather, Shaw & Co. -- not a peep. Clearly this is the most unfair, divisive, and repugnant ad in many moons, and it’s met with silence? At the very least, if the media were truly disinterested observers of the campaign and truly interested in the appearance of balance, they could draw an easy parallel between the Horton and Byrd spots for their hallowed "Ad Watch" pieces. But that would be false parity. Nothing Gov. Bush did led to Byrd’s death, and under Gov. Bush, two of his assailants will be put to death, while the furlough program under Gov. Dukakis allowed the release of Horton to commit more violent crimes.

323 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:23pm

Hey all y'all - not too late tonight - musta been the scheduled maintenance!
As for the Department of Peace I thought we already had one, called the Department of Defense, no?!

324 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:32pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

It's going to be a difficult 4-8 years ahead.

I agree with you there. McCain is not going to get anything done the first year with all the whining about stolen election and racism and stuff.

325 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:36pm

re: #310 x-wing

Hit on the link again, it didn't work first time I hit it.

I don't see a link. Just the ellipsis.
It's OK, I can pick the link up from subsequent posts.
I'l try to refresh.

326 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:47pm

re: #309 Charles

((((((Chalres)))))

327 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:34:53pm

re: #255 de La Valette

I guess this is wrong blog to get into a discussion of AR versus Springfield actions. There about the same price.

I like both. Both are battle tested, and reliable. The Springfield dates back to WW2, the Stoner to Vietnam.
Neither though, hold a candle to Brownings finest inventions (plural) the 1911 and BAR.

328 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:07pm

re: #309 Charles

Despite numerous posts spelling out my feelings on the 'birth certificate' garbage, there are still people who come into LGF and try to promote it.

Another account has been blocked in the last thread on this subject. I was not kidding.

If you ain't got integrity, you got nothin'. Hard to wade through the shite when you have so much info coming through. Well done.

329 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:08pm

re: #317 Killian Bundy

The strawberry thing is about experiencing the moment. Tune out the tigers and the mice chewing the vine and actually take joy in the present.

330 RTLM  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:12pm

pimf - meant to bold.

(I better recognize words than symbols)

331 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:21pm

re: #308 jcm

Words of wisdom, my friend.....it's better to be feared than loved by our enemies

332 FightingBack  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:35pm

re: #325 FightingBack

Yes. That worked.

333 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:45pm

re: #326 MandyManners
Um, isn't that Charles ? Don't whack me, someone did a very similar thing to me, too!

334 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:35:53pm

re: #245 Gus 802

That $100,000 gazebo probably rattles like a wooden roller coaster frame when Dan Ryan Expressway train goes by.

335 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:05pm

re: #267 wkett

Hey the interweb is a sourse of infinite knowledge

How to eat a Poptart


Idiots! You must eat the poptart upside down with the gooey stuff on the bottom so all that sugar hits your tongue and not the ruff of your mouth. I really hate this kind of disinformation being spread around on the internet.

336 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #313 Palandine

According to an NRA flyer, "he supported a federal tax hike of 500% on firearms and ammunition." (Not exactly an objective source, I admit.)

But that's one way to do it.
The power to tax is the power to destroy, no?

337 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:10pm

re: #324 Racer X

Especially after he uses extraordinary rendition to send Soros to Malaysia.

338 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:36:40pm

re: #293 JeremyR

I don't agree with that. Two years isn't enough. Till they get through basic and AIT, they are alreadt short timers. Aint buying that. Alsoi you'll have people that don't want to be there, Read Tommy Franks book, and see what he thought.

339 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:10pm

re: #305 Syrah

I remember that short. It has been decades since I have seen it but I remember having seen it.

We had to read the story as well.

They used to have us read stuff like that in school.

I wonder what they have the kids read in its place. Maybe I really don't want to know.

We used to read things like, oh, The Red Badge of Courage and The Outsiders -- nothing too deep but still classics in their own right.

Now they probably read fabricated tripe like I Am Rigoberto Manchu.

340 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:47pm
341 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:37:52pm

re: #322 RTLM

Good catch. I'm sure Obama's people will be descending on Paris, Texas this weekend, ready to make an ad featuring the weeping mom clutching the 8 x 10 picture of her innocent boy.

342 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #252 poopeedoo

What does ... mean? (Just askin')

In reality, I think it will end out meaning nothing for the election. Both candidates will condemn the murder and Texas will condemn the killers. No one's vote will be swayed.

343 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:04pm

re: #261 justdanny

Cool! The Girlfriend sends her love. I'm glad things are working out for you.

344 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #334 ledger1

Yep, a place for junkies and drug dealers to get out of the rain no doubt.

345 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:38:26pm

re: #323 realwest

Hey all y'all - not too late tonight - musta been the scheduled maintenance!
As for the Department of Peace I thought we already had one, called the Department of Defense, no?!

Personally I like the War Department.

You can talk to our Department of State, or the War Department, your choice makes no difference to us. The result is the same, our people and interest will be safe.

346 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:39:03pm

re: #309 Charles

I am a fan of Steve Malzberg in NYC and he is pushing this story with Berg but he is not bothered by the accusations against the White House for blowing up the towers and that is troubling.

I raised a point with Zombie last night about the issue of BHO's records from under grad to law school including admissions applications and financial aid applications. I do not know why they are hidden but I suspect there is a good reason. Is it related to birth? - who knows. My problem is more with the universal "uncuriosity" of the MSM of this and a hundred other issues while we have to listen to absurd reports concerning Governor Palin's clothing attire bill(s).

347 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:39:38pm

re: #171 JSK1121

Send her this and explain that the Obama sat and listened to this kind of rubbish from his spiritual mentor for 20 years. Talk about chutzpah.

348 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:10pm

I'm guessing this digger isn't the type of person they are looking for in the peace department:

Suffering from serious upper body wounds, the soldier struggled on to the front of his SAS long range patrol vehicle (LRPV) and, under heavy fire, used a rope to attach himself firmly between the vehicle's bull bar and radiator.

Once he was secured, and there was no chance that he would fall off if he fainted, he picked up his rifle and resumed firing at the enemy during a two-hour fighting withdrawal.

349 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:10pm

Interesting on Drudge...

A link purporting government computers used to find info on Joe the Plumber. Click on it and you get something that looks encrypted.

350 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:18pm

re: #338 x-wing
Well I don't know about that - back in the day (30+ years ago) we turned out some pretty damned good infantry troops with an 8 week basic training course and an 8 week Advanced Infantry Training course and then - after a 30 day leave - shipped off to Vietnam. And I have to say that the draftees did as well as did us enlisted personnel.
I know infantry has changed - newer weapons and other equipment but still - stretch it another 4-6 weeks of training and you'd have some pretty good troops I think.

351 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:35pm
352 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:45pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

BTW, I read Marcus Aurelius' The Golden Book and To Myself recently. Stoicism is very close to Zen.

353 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:40:58pm

re: #293 JeremyR

I've always supported the idea of a draft. Mandatory, for everyone, two years in uniform. I'd keep combat arms volunteer, but all the support folk could be drafted. We need bodies when nature takes its course, and infantry are not the best for humanitarian missions in the Indian Ocean. We supply the food for the humanitarian aid, we need to supply the distribution as well. In South America, we sent food, and the Communists put a spanish language label on that said a gift from Russia. Since the poor villagers couldn't read or recognize english, it worked.


Yup, I hear ya.
I still believe in the value of a professional corps. But there should also be a rotational part of the service that drafts civilians, and ALL should have to serve between the ages of 17 and 55 for 2 years - men, women, single, married, gay, straight, whatever.
And the mental and physical handicaps need to be monitored very carefully, because that stuff can be faked with the help of a physician.
Again, the citizen soldiers need to be a part of the service, because:
1. It's not healthy for a nation to rely solely on a professional military.
2. It's not healthy for the professional military to be left alone - a source of criticism and outside perspective can be very healthy and useful, within reason.
3. To ask that professional military to risk the lives of its members without being willing to do the same yourself is immoral in the extreme. You have to be willing to walk the walk.

354 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:31pm

re: #345 jcm
WAR DEPARTMENT - Shirley you jest! The "people" wouldn't want that cause it sounds so, so......aggressive! LOL!

355 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:37pm

re: #316 Iron Fist

You seem well prepared. I doubt that you've neglected your ammo, spare mags, etc. Let's hope that it is just a nice gun collection.

I hope so too. I plan on getting a press and lots of primers before 1 Jan. Mags? About 50 of em.

356 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:41:53pm

re: #339 StinkHammer

We used to read things like, oh, The Red Badge of Courage and The Outsiders -- nothing too deep but still classics in their own right.

Now they probably read fabricated tripe like I Am Rigoberto Manchu.

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

357 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:22pm

re: #327 JeremyR

I like both. Both are battle tested, and reliable. The Springfield dates back to WW2, the Stoner to Vietnam.
Neither though, hold a candle to Brownings finest inventions (plural) the 1911 and BAR.

/BAR / Thompson as demonstrated by Kim

358 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:43pm

Ah, back from the game. Team is now 8-0! Made over 650 for our high school band. What's been happening?

359 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:46pm
360 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:52pm

Ire: #334 ledger1

That $100,000 gazebo probably rattles like a wooden roller coaster frame when Dan Ryan Expressway train goes by.

I spent a year at IIT in Chicago way back in the early 80's and my room literally shook when the State Street El train went by. Only noticed it the first night.

361 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:42:56pm

Well the memory of the American electorate is about as long as a flea's penis. I hope the hell they like Jimmah Carter redux better than they liked the original incompetent spineless slug.

362 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:09pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

BTW, I read Marcus Aurelius' The Golden Book and To Myself recently. Stoicism is very close to Zen.

You know the difference between a Stoic and a Cynic? The Stoic brings the baby, and you wash it in the Cynic.

363 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:23pm

re: #349 spirochete

I got an article from the Columbus Dispatch

364 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:43:42pm

re: #349 spirochete

Probably nothing to worry about. Independent contractors and nosy government employees often snoop in federal databases. They'll lose their jobs if busted but it's not a grand conspiracy. It happens all the time.

365 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:06pm

re: #362 Moe Katz

Heh.

366 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:10pm

re: #218 gregg

I came across this relatively old video (2006) by Beccy Cole at Blackfive today. I think it's worth viewing and relevant to this topic.

Good for her .... Digger ... is that what they call soldiers in Australia?

367 spirochete  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #363 Desert Dog

I got an article from the Columbus Dispatch

I still get goobledygook.

Must be Vista.

368 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:44:47pm

In the not too distant future of a Obama Presidency.


North Korea clamps down on mobile phones to stop news of food crisis

North Korea is clamping down on mobile phones and long distance telephone calls to prevent the spread of news about a worsening food crisis, according to the United Nations investigator on human rights for the isolated communist country
369 cblesz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:45:31pm

re: #359 MandyManners

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

God, I love that song. I want it played at my funeral...

370 Red Cloud  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:45:42pm

Wow. A Department of Peace. I'm sure the Department of Truth, the Department of Plenty, and the Department of Love aren't real far behind.

/another Orwell reference, yep

371 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:03pm

re: #242 StudSupreme

Go to the Dept. Of Peace site that explains what O wants to do with this civilian army.

372 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:10pm

re: #338 x-wing

I don't agree with that. Two years isn't enough. Till they get through basic and AIT, they are alreadt short timers. Aint buying that. Alsoi you'll have people that don't want to be there, Read Tommy Franks book, and see what he thought.

Two years gets them trained for a life time of need. There is a long line behind them, and limited space on board. If we train them, they will remember it years later.
Sure there are many who will hate it. I saw many of them and they were volunteers. Service will build a love opf country, and a belief that our soldiers are honest and capable, not the brutal thugs the media and Murtha claim we are.

373 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:18pm

re: #320 Irish Rose

I feel a violent comment coming on...


Quick, someone send in the Dept of Peace.

374 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:29pm

re: #354 realwest

WAR DEPARTMENT - Shirley you jest! The "people" wouldn't want that cause it sounds so, so......aggressive! LOL!

Don't call me Shirley!

I don't think "We'll Fuck You Up Department", would look dignified on the Pentagon.

375 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:33pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

I remember we also read To Kill A Mockingbird. I'd be surprised if it was on elementary reading curricula much anymore . . .

376 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:46:50pm

re: #353 StudSupreme
I have to say I agree, if only for two reasons: one is, if the nation should go to war (as in Iraq, say) then the American Public - or at least larger parts of it than do now - would necessarily be engaged in the war effort. The other is that universal service compels people to not only give up two years of their lives to the Nation (which I think does in fact connect or re-connect a lot of folks with the notion of America the nation) but to live, eat and work with folks from different backgrounds, races, ethnic groups and the like. I think that that is frankly a very healthy thing.

377 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #29 HelloDare

Do they have plans for any Peace Internment Camps?

You betcha!

378 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:06pm

re: #370 Red Cloud

Wow. A Department of Peace. I'm sure the Department of Truth, the Department of Plenty, and the Department of Love aren't real far behind.

/another Orwell reference, yep

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

379 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:25pm

re: #374 jcm

Don't call me Shirley!

I don't think "We'll Fuck You Up Department", would look dignified on the Pentagon.

The Department of the Permanent Time Out

380 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:41pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

The strawberry thing is about experiencing the moment. Tune out the tigers and the mice chewing the vine and actually take joy in the present.

Don't you guys know that tigers are allergic to strawberries?

381 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:47:43pm

re: #371 notutopia

Go to the Dept. Of Peace site that explains what O wants to do with this civilian army.

Oooh, I see. Sorry, I wasn't following.

I find the idea of OBama's civilian army to be not only astonishingly ludicrous, juvenile and moronic, but in the wrong hands it could be INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS.

In fact, it makes me shudder with dread.

382 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:14pm

re: #378 Moe Katz

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

383 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:23pm

re: #375 StinkHammer

My boys read that in the 7th grade here in Mesa, AZ

384 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

385 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:48pm

Well, I'll be watching Huckabee tomorrow night. Tim Daly (WINGS) is going to be on. That man is one good looking hunk of man. GAD, I hope he's not a moonbat.

386 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:48:54pm

re: #382 NomadOfNorad

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

This is the US version.

387 Irish Rose  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:13pm

By the way lizards, good evening to you all.

I've not been posting lately due to insane work hours and back to back shifts... looks like things are finally starting to settle down.

I remember the days when I used to stress about not having a job.... I guess I should be more careful what I wish for ;).

388 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:14pm

re: #356 JohnAdams

My kid's wonderful, wacky English teacher has her reading The Outsiders right now. Personally I always remember A Separate Peace being a very powerful book for me at the adolescent age.

My kid just read The Outsiders (well, listened to the book on tape). She loved it. I think she also found it very inspiring that the author was a 17-year-old girl.

389 Red Cloud  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:25pm

re: #378 Moe Katz

What about the Department of Silly Walks?

Ooh, that would have made a great movie about 20 years ago... mixing Orwell with Monty Python! :)

390 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:40pm

re: #382 NomadOfNorad

Wasn't that the Ministry of Silly Walks?

Ministry of Silly Walks.

391 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:49:56pm

has anyone tried the haagen-dazs "black walnut" ice cream?
it is delicious.

392 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

/BAR / Thompson as demonstrated by Kim

Loved the Tommy gun until I actually held one. The old grease gun was good and cheap. The tommy was a complicated SOB. A thing of beauty, but still an SOB.

393 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:03pm

re: #364 Killgore Trout

Probably nothing to worry about. Independent contractors and nosy government employees often snoop in federal databases. They'll lose their jobs if busted but it's not a grand conspiracy. It happens all the time.

Happens all the time? But in this case the info was conveyed on to the Obama campaign and to the press. Not exactly innocent.

394 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:24pm

re: #15 jaunte

"If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War."
-- George Washington

Another Great man who was known for putting Country First.

395 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:26pm

re: #354 realwest

Realwest, another lizard up thread asked about Miguel. Kilgore suggested that you may have been in touch with him.

I know he has suffered from a stroke

Any word on how he is doing?

Its been a long time since he has posted.

396 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:27pm

re: #392 JeremyR

heavy too

397 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:29pm

re: #319 de La Valette

And purchase quality brass casing ammo.

398 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:50:38pm

re: #372 JeremyR

Two years gets them trained for a life time of need. There is a long line behind them, and limited space on board. If we train them, they will remember it years later.
Sure there are many who will hate it. I saw many of them and they were volunteers. Service will build a love opf country, and a belief that our soldiers are honest and capable, not the brutal thugs the media and Murtha claim we are.


EXACTLY.

I've heard the idea that two years is not enough from other folks as well - all friends of mine who have served.
However: it's not really the point. With two years training, you now have a corpus that can be drawn upon in time of great need that is better than a completely UNTRAINED body of civilians. Also, it's a concentrated effort at building an extra layer of civic duty and love of country into the citizenry. Finally, it does give the military an opportunity to test out weapon systems to make them more usable and robust (as opposed to relying always on super highly trained specialists) and provides a chance of recruiting the best of the draftees for longer term service.

399 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:02pm

re: #361 maddogg
Ya know that's just not right. Comparing McCain to Jimmy Carter is just plain silly.
Not to mention horribly insulting to McCain!

400 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #386 Moe Katz

This is the US version.

Yeah, true. Figured that might have been what your intention was... :D

401 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:28pm

re: #375 StinkHammer

I remember we also read To Kill A Mockingbird. I'd be surprised if it was on elementary reading curricula much anymore . . .

Racist.

402 gregg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #366 JacksonTn

Good for her .... Digger ... is that what they call soldiers in Australia?

Yes. BTW I'm not an Australian, I guess that song just seem to have struck a chord (no pun intended).

403 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:51pm

re: #380 yah

Don't you guys know that tigers are allergic to strawberries?

/the vine chewing mice are the immediate problem

404 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:51:57pm

re: #243 jonathan1984

From what I gathered form the AP “news” report was a routine accident and body was caught under frame and dragged (probably dead from the first impact).

It’s not like someone tying a person to the bumper of truck and dragging them though main street.

The AP is trying to imply a calculated racist attack – I don’t by it. In CA there have been a number of people, such as illegal aliens, hit and stuck under a vehicle. The AP story is agi-prop.

And, of course it will help the victim’s mother get a larger settlement.

405 Nuclear Ninja  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:09pm

re: #223 thedude

Sounds like a campaign commercial. Barack is running to fix Washington, but he was hired to fix Chicago, and quite obviously failed. In fact, if anything it is worse. Is that the record he wants to run on for a promotion?

406 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:39pm

re: #350 realwest

I don't doubt it. I'd like to see everyone sign up for a hitch, I don't want it forced on them.

407 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:43pm

re: #399 realwest

Ya know that's just not right. Comparing McCain to Jimmy Carter is just plain silly.
Not to mention horribly insulting to McCain!

In the event that I owe John an apology, I will issue a public one with grace, humility, and gratitude. And I sincerely hope I have to.

408 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:51pm

Being kind of cheap I opted for the venerable SKS 7.62x39mm and the Makarov 9mm pistol.

409 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:52:51pm

re: #395 Syrah

Realwest, another lizard up thread asked about Miguel. Kilgore suggested that you may have been in touch with him.

I know he has suffered from a stroke

Any word on how he is doing?

Its been a long time since he has posted.

He usually posted at night. Perhaps Realwest can get in contact with him?

BTW I just contacted Lucius Septimius since I hadn't seen his nic in months. He's doing well.

410 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #346 wright1

What I don't get about the story is that with 3 kids who have all been involved with sports is that it is very normal for the parents to have to show league officials the kid's BC to prove eligibility. No one ever files a motion to not have to do that. I just don't get it. I completely understand why Charles wants nothing to do with this story, but I don't get why Obama refuses to clear all this up. Does it help him to let this CT live on?

411 JohnAdams  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:20pm

re: #384 hermeneutics

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

These are early high schoolers. This is The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton, I believe.

412 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:44pm

re: #393 Dasher

Yes, and get ready for that if he gets in.....Clinton was famous for that treatment and I can only imagine what the Obamessiah will do with the powers at his command.....I would guess his willing accomplishes in the press will be oh so happy to comply....just ask Joe the Plumber. Someone gets on the wrong side of "The Government", prepare for a "colonoscopy" of epic proportions

413 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:53:57pm

re: #353 StudSupreme

What are you blathering about? First, we have a military of citizen soldiers, second, the military is not a frikking democracy. You are given an order and you obey it. "Ours is not to question why..." No such thing as a let's talk about it option.

414 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:00pm

re: #392 JeremyR

Loved the Tommy gun until I actually held one. The old grease gun was good and cheap. The tommy was a complicated SOB. A thing of beauty, but still an SOB.

With a 20 round magazine.

/almost as puzzling as the 10 round BAR magazine

415 wolfie  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

Yeah. Come to think of it, if the guy has a free hand to pick strawberries, why not grab the mousies and eat them instead?

416 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:08pm

re: #392 JeremyR

If you ever get a chance, you'd love an H&K MP 5. It is the absolute sweetest shooting gun ever made.

417 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:22pm

re: #384 hermeneutics

Are you referring to Wilson's book, The Outsider? If so, its a great book. A must read, preferably before age 25.

I'm referring to SE Hinton's The Outsiders, the "coming-of-age" book about an outcast gang of "greasers" in the early '60s. Also made into a movie starring Ralph Macchio, Matt Dillon, and a bunch of other up-and-coming stars of the day ... (help me out here folks -- don't wanna have to go a-googlin'...)

418 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:23pm

re: #411 JohnAdams

These are early high schoolers. This is The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton, I believe.

I've never heard of it. Dumb me. And I have a middle school age kid. Hmmmm.

419 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:33pm

re: #253 StudSupreme

Whatever, Junior. You sound like a stupid fucking troll. Oh, wait, you are. Out.

420 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:35pm

re: #408 Dasher

Being kind of cheap I opted for the venerable SKS 7.62x39mm and the Makarov 9mm pistol.

If you can get your hands on a good CZ-52 it is an excellent weapon, with a velocity of over 1500 fps it has good penetration too.

421 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:42pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

/the vine chewing mice are the immediate problem


Not to worry, they will be in their own race war in a few minutes.

422 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:45pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

try a cat....I have three, I can rent one out to you for cheap

423 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:54:46pm

re: #248 doppelganglander

Why are so many old people so foolish and easily frightened? Were they always like that? My mom is nearly 80 and she's not buying what they're selling.

Maybe some of the older people don't have family to explain things to them like your mother has you ....I can understand why older people get scared .....it would be scary to be old and not knowing what is going on with your country....they are probably thinking they are being thrown under the rug ....I have seen posts of many young dailykos types who say things like ... I can't wait for the baby boomers to die so we can take over this country ...your mother is lucky she has you ... but many don't have anyone ..

424 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:02pm

re: #387 Irish Rose
Hi Rose! Hey I've been in situations in my life where there wasn't enough work and situations where there was too much work and frankly, I preferred the too much work, myself!

425 Gus 802  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #404 ledger1

More than likely considering they were all either acquainted or friends. All three have (had) a rap sheet.

Here's the Lamar County search page if anyone feels the urge to search these guys priors.

As stated before the Finley has a prior and conviction (nolo) on another murder case.

426 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:20pm

re: #340 TheMatrix31

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Obama Supporters

What is America?

Reagan "America is freedom"

Essentialized. Who speaks for freedom today?

427 wright1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:27pm

re: #410 Mich-again

What I don't get about the story is that with 3 kids who have all been involved with sports is that it is very normal for the parents to have to show league officials the kid's BC to prove eligibility. No one ever files a motion to not have to do that. I just don't get it. I completely understand why Charles wants nothing to do with this story, but I don't get why Obama refuses to clear all this up. Does it help him to let this CT live on?


I concur but that is all I am saying on the topic.

428 x-wing  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:31pm

re: #374 jcm

Don't call me Shirley!

I don't think "We'll Fuck You Up Department", would look dignified on the Pentagon.

Probably not, but it does roll nicely off the tongue

429 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:33pm

re: #422 Desert Dog

try a cat....I have three, I can rent one out to you for cheap

Hey DD,

We weighed our biggest cat tonight -- 24 pounds. Amazing.

430 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:42pm

re: #383 Desert Dog

My boys read that in the 7th grade here in Mesa, AZ

Ooohhh Have you ever been to Organ Stop Pizza? Or have I asked you that before?

431 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:45pm

re: #387 Irish Rose

We may ALL have jobs, they'll just be government jobs.

432 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:55:57pm
(2) create new policies and incorporate existing programs that reduce drug and alcohol abuse;

You ain't getting my guns.

And you darn sure AIN'T GETTING MY BOOZE!

/Peace out...man

433 Racer X  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:11pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

/the vine chewing mice are the immediate problem

Boy am I dense. I thought eating the strawberry was a way to say "Eff you!" to the mice. (little bastards chewing on the yucky vine while trying to do you harm, when they could be eating the tasty strawberry)

434 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:17pm

re: #429 hermeneutics

wow! I thought mine fat one was big! That is huge!

435 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:34pm

re: #415 wolfie

Yeah. Come to think of it, if the guy has a free hand to pick strawberries, why not grab the mousies and eat them instead?

/you're still on the vine between two tigers

436 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:43pm

re: #409 hermeneutics

He usually posted at night. Perhaps Realwest can get in contact with him?

BTW I just contacted Lucius Septimius since I hadn't seen his nic in months. He's doing well.

Speaking of MIA Lizards, I haven't seen Render in ages anyone have any info?

437 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:45pm

re: #434 Desert Dog

wow! I thought mine fat one was big! That is huge!

Yup. We named it "Lil' Bobby."

438 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:56:57pm

re: #420 maddogg

If you can get your hands on a good CZ-52 it is an excellent weapon, with a velocity of over 1500 fps it has good penetration too.

I'll have to take a look at that. One thing about the SKS the brass ejection is pretty wild. It goes flying everywhere. Especially if you are shooting at a range with a roof over it.

439 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:00pm

re: #430 musicman

Yes, of course, been there many times.....that Wurlitzer is so cool

440 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #375 StinkHammer

To Kill a Mockingbird ~ one of my favorite books. I believe I read it in 6th grade "quite a few" moons ago.

441 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:33pm

Department of Appeasement and Cowardice. 80 co-sponsors. All Democrats but one. Barney Frank just recently informed us,like we didn't already know this,that Democrats will be cutting defense spending if they can get by with doing it. Mr. Frank,of all people in Congress,should know what happens when one bends over and grabs the ankles.

442 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:37pm

re: #419 6pat6

Whatever, Junior. You sound like a stupid fucking troll. Oh, wait, you are. Out.

I was just gonna go to bed but I think I'll hang around for the fight.

443 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:45pm

re: #409 hermeneutics

He usually posted at night. Perhaps Realwest can get in contact with him?

BTW I just contacted Lucius Septimius since I hadn't seen his nic in months. He's doing well.

I am glad that Lucius is well. He cares about his profession and I know it consumes much of his time.

I am worried about Miguel

The world of the interwebs is different from real life in that should one of us fail to post, the rest of us are too often unable to find out why or what for.

It has a transient and ephemeral quality to it. We are here one day, and on another, never heard from again.

444 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:57:46pm

re: #431 notutopia

We may ALL have jobs, they'll just be government jobs.


Arbeit Macht Frei.

445 Sarge1984  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:06pm

Is this the drinking thread?

446 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:23pm

re: #395 Syrah Sigh. No, no word from Miguel. No answer to e-mails and the phone just rings and rings and rings. And the last time he and I spoke he said his son and daughter in law had come to live with him and he now had his family around him.
And I'm not the only LGFer who has reached out to Miguel by e-mail and received no response in something like 3 months or so now.
Crap.

447 ACJohn  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:23pm

re: #434 Desert Dog

wow! I thought mine fat one was big! That is huge!

I wish i had a nickel for every time I heard that

/sorry too easy

448 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:28pm

re: #272 de La Valette

Probably but that would be "racist."

449 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:48pm

re: #439 Desert Dog

Yes, of course, been there many times.....that Wurlitzer is so cool

Was there this last July. Took our church mission team there for a night out. The organist did a whole medley of songs from Oklahoma! Our teenagers were mesmerized with all the instruments that organ could play.

450 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:58:57pm

This is a cabinet-level department?

A Department of Peace will work to:
-- Teach violence prevention and mediation to America's school children
-- Effectively treat and dismantle gang psychology
-- Rehabilitate the prison population
-- Build peace-making efforts among conflicting cultures both here and abroad
-- Support our military with complementary approaches to peace-building.

And WTF?

-- Create and administer a U.S. Peace Academy, acting as a sister organization to the U.S. Military Academy.

Moonstruck latte-sipping surrender monkeys.

451 SixofOne  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:06pm

Will we have a Ministry of Truth, too?

452 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:14pm

re: #438 Dasher

I'll have to take a look at that. One thing about the SKS the brass ejection is pretty wild. It goes flying everywhere. Especially if you are shooting at a range with a roof over it.

Yeah, I know. I have one along with an AK-47. The SKS is a better weapon IMHO but the AK uses high capacity magazines. Steel cased ammo isn't reloadable so I don't usually worry about ejects.

453 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:20pm

re: #417 StinkHammer

I'm referring to SE Hinton's The Outsiders, the "coming-of-age" book about an outcast gang of "greasers" in the early '60s. Also made into a movie starring Ralph Macchio, Matt Dillon, and a bunch of other up-and-coming stars of the day ... (help me out here folks -- don't wanna have to go a-googlin'...)

. . . . C. Thomas Howell, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, Patrick Swayze, Tom Cruise, Diane Lane -- even Leif Garrett.

(For those interested.)

454 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:24pm

re: #440 poopeedoo

To Kill a Mockingbird ~ one of my favorite books. I believe I read it in 6th grade "quite a few" moons ago.

Love the book and the movie is my absolute favorite.

455 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:28pm

re: #413 vagabond trader

What are you blathering about? First, we have a military of citizen soldiers, second, the military is not a frikking democracy. You are given an order and you obey it. "Ours is not to question why..." No such thing as a let's talk about it option.

You're not following me, or perhaps I'm just doing a miserable job explaining myself.
Consider:
The Roman Legions came from recruits out of the citizenry. However, the legions still wound up separating themselves from society and became a problem, rather than a protector. Also, the institutions of the Legion became stale over time and lost their 'edge' against their enemies.

Now: GI's got trained in WW2 and Korea and they obeyed orders and won wars. BUT - they still called Bullshit when they felt it needed to be called. David Hackworth - whether you like or loathe him - still had a very successful career in the US Army and was highly decorated. He believed very strongly in the 'call the bullshit' undercurrent in a draftee army and saw it as a healthy thing.
And think about it - the US Armed Forces are the best in the world because Viet vets who stayed in the services and saw the errors in that war resolved to create a culture whereby there was always an effort to improve, modify and enhance by QUESTIONING the current status of things. That needs to be reinforced periodically, and an 'outer ring' of draftees associated with the 'inner core' of professionals can do that.

456 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 8:59:59pm

re: #451 SixofOne

Yeah, Dodd is going to go for that, banking is getting a bit stressful.

457 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:00:15pm

re: #408 Dasher

Being kind of cheap I opted for the venerable SKS 7.62x39mm and the Makarov 9mm pistol.

The SKS is a good weapon. Get plenty of practice. Barska makes a good scope that comes with a modified upper to mount it on your SKS. It is also an illuminated reticle. I highly recommend one. Cabella's

458 Desert Dog  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:00:45pm

re: #449 musicman

definitely the "Synthesizer" of it's time. The guy that plays it is very good too....

459 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:01:20pm

re: #419 6pat6

Whatever, Junior. You sound like a stupid fucking troll. Oh, wait, you are. Out.

There's no way you've ever served.
The friends I have who've served are never so shrill or so quick to anger.
Prove me wrong by turning civil. We're only talking here, your reactions are completely out of line - and you know it.

460 StinkHammer  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:01:50pm

re: #454 musicman

Love the book [To Kill A Mockingbird] and the movie is my absolute favorite.

Gregory Peck -- WOW.

461 Idle Drifter  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:01:50pm

Department of Peace? The only lasting peace in this world is that of the grave. Fancy treaties and soft words are no protection against flying copper coated lead.

Sorry late to the thread. ;p

462 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:01:53pm

re: #455 StudSupreme

Have you read Hack's book "About Face"?

463 Malleus Dei  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:01:59pm

America's enemies are laughing their heads off over what the Dims have planned.

464 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:02:16pm

re: #414 Killian Bundy

With a 20 round magazine.

/almost as puzzling as the 10 round BAR magazine

LOL. IIRC, the BAR had a 20 rounder. Still not much, but it was to keep the gun suitable for firing prone.

465 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:02:18pm

re: #423 JacksonTn
Excellent post. Thanks.

466 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:02:19pm

re: #446 realwest

Sigh. No, no word from Miguel. No answer to e-mails and the phone just rings and rings and rings. And the last time he and I spoke he said his son and daughter in law had come to live with him and he now had his family around him.
And I'm not the only LGFer who has reached out to Miguel by e-mail and received no response in something like 3 months or so now.
Crap.

Sorry to hear.

A big thank you from me for trying to get in touch with him.

He may need a permanent place on the Lizard Prayer list. I know that often with strokes, they come in groups. I hope and pray that he will be able to return in time.

467 alexknyc  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:02:29pm

re: #151 Killian Bundy

Samantha Power as a possible NSA?

Great... so will Israel be nuked by Iran before or after we invade to impose a solution on the Palestinian issue?

468 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:02:45pm

re: #423 JacksonTn

Maybe some of the older people don't have family to explain things to them like your mother has you ....I can understand why older people get scared .....it would be scary to be old and not knowing what is going on with your country....they are probably thinking they are being thrown under the rug ....I have seen posts of many young dailykos types who say things like ... I can't wait for the baby boomers to die so we can take over this country ...your mother is lucky she has you ... but many don't have anyone ..

I'm lucky I have my mother. She doesn't have a college education but she's got more common sense than the entire faculty of Harvard. I can see if an old person stops engaging with the world, they can become confused and frightened pretty easily. Mom still reads 2 or 3 newspapers a day and keeps up with the news on television. And did I mention she provides in-home daycare for toddler twins? Sometimes I do fill her in on things from the blogosphere that aren't covered in the MSM, but she has her own very firm opinions. Luckily, one of her opinions is that Obama is unfit to be president.

469 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:03:03pm

re: #452 maddogg

Yeah, I know. I have one along with an AK-47. The SKS is a better weapon IMHO but the AK uses high capacity magazines. Steel cased ammo isn't reloadable so I don't usually worry about ejects.

You can mount a 30 round clip on the SKS no problem.

470 musicman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:01pm

re: #460 StinkHammer

Gregory Peck -- WOW.

I'm still kind of laid up because of my recent knee surgery. I may just watch that tomorrow.

471 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:07pm

re: #344 Gus 802

We would not what the pot and crack to wet. That's "Change" for you :)

472 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:30pm

re: #398 StudSupreme

The demographics that were drawn from for WWII and Vietnam drafts simply are not there anymore. The rural population that was the backbone of those drafts is gone.

A modern draft would require far more training and conditioning then those drafts. DoD has looked at it and the costs would be enormous, the logistics tail of such a force in peacetime would be ridiculous, and we don't have the mission or lift to do much with them in wartime.

The esoteric political benefits are interesting but not practical, this isn't Switzerland.

473 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:34pm

re: #469 Dasher

You can mount a 30 round clip on the SKS no problem.

Those who have done it tell me that some will work with the 30 round clip and some won't.

474 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:42pm

re: #462 maddogg

Have you read Hack's book "About Face"?

Hmmm. I don't think so.
Can you give a quick summary? Thx in advance. :-)

475 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:04:56pm

re: #443 Syrah

I am glad that Lucius is well. He cares about his profession and I know it consumes much of his time.

I am worried about Miguel

The world of the interwebs is different from real life in that should one of us fail to post, the rest of us are too often unable to find out why or what for.

It has a transient and ephemeral quality to it. We are here one day, and on another, never heard from again.

So true, Syrah. In a small way, I'm trying to bring the virtual and material worlds together by meeting Lizards for lunch, etc. Just had lunch today with a marvelous woman i had only known on LGF. We should all search out Lizards near our homes and form "alliances" based true likemindedness.

476 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:06:35pm

re: #415 wolfie

No, enjoy strawberry then throw mouse to tiger. The things you learn from MUDs.

477 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:06:43pm

re: #416 Iron Fist

If you ever get a chance, you'd love an H&K MP 5. It is the absolute sweetest shooting gun ever made.

I would love to get my hands on one. Up thread I mentioned their .45 auto variant that is available here.
I also have a Calico 9mm. it uses the same bolt design, but has the barrel set lower to minimize recoil. I've shot a full auto one that a DEA friend had. No muzzle climb. It waas a one hand shooter. 50 round helical mag that sits on top.

478 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:07:41pm

re: #464 JeremyR

LOL. IIRC, the BAR had a 20 rounder. Still not much, but it was to keep the gun suitable for firing prone.

Okay, you're right, still annoying.

/getting shot while reloading as the Germans expended their extra 10 rounds

479 Dasher  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:07:43pm

re: #473 maddogg

Those who have done it tell me that some will work with the 30 round clip and some won't.

That could be. I have mounted the 30 round magazine, and it is a little hokie, I have not tried firing it with it on there. Only used the standard 10 round internal magazine on the range.

480 Promethea  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:08:16pm

re: #21 onepistoffyid

Yes, when you submit and resign yourself to your fate as a victim and cease fighting, that is peace-that is what they mean by peace, that is why they call Islam a religion of peace.

Time to get in touch with your inner victim, says the Messiah.

It's interesting to contemplate how quickly Islam wiped out Christianity in the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Europe. Yes, we live in "interesting" times. Victims are everywhere, and their numbers are increasing rapidly. The UK is going sharia. Will we be next?

481 notutopia  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #444 jcm

Heil

482 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #474 StudSupreme

Hmmm. I don't think so.
Can you give a quick summary? Thx in advance. :-)

Not easily, its better than a thousand pages. It follows his life from a troubled teen raised by his grandmother in California through his career in the Army. Also covers his hatred of politicians who put their careers ahead of soldiers lives and "ticket punchers" (like Kerry) in Viet Nam. He probably killed 200-300 enemies with his own hands. He was a natural warrior. I recommend it. After Viet Nam, he got out of the Army and went to Austrailia and became rich raising ducks if you can believe that.

483 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:09:15pm

re: #472 de La Valette

The demographics that were drawn from for WWII and Vietnam drafts simply are not there anymore. The rural population that was the backbone of those drafts is gone.

A modern draft would require far more training and conditioning then those drafts. DoD has looked at it and the costs would be enormous, the logistics tail of such a force in peacetime would be ridiculous, and we don't have the mission or lift to do much with them in wartime.

The esoteric political benefits are interesting but not practical, this isn't Switzerland.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but think about it - these problems are solvable.
The draftees don't have to have top of the line weapons. They can learn to fly helicopters, drive older tanks, use older artillery, and learn the BASICS very intensely. If they are ever called up to active service in time of war, the newer equipment will seem miraculous in comparison, and they'll adapt to it using their training in the more primitive equipment as a solid, well grounded base. Think Victor Suvorov.

484 piglet-u93  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:09:21pm

ANSWER and Code Pink are part of this "peace" group.

485 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:10:40pm

re: #482 maddogg

Not easily, its better than a thousand pages. It follows his life from a troubled teen raised by his grandmother in California through his career in the Army. Also covers his hatred of politicians who put their careers ahead of soldiers lives and "ticket punchers" (like Kerry) in Viet Nam. He probably killed 200-300 enemies with his own hands. He was a natural warrior. I recommend it. After Viet Nam, he got out of the Army and went to Austrailia and became rich raising ducks if you can believe that.


Wait - I remember now that I HAVE read this! Thanks for the reminder. It was indeed an excellent, insightful book. :-)

486 maddogg  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:10:45pm

re: #479 Dasher

That could be. I have mounted the 30 round magazine, and it is a little hokie, I have not tried firing it with it on there. Only used the standard 10 round internal magazine on the range.

You must be sure, before you carry it into a troubled situation where your life depends on the function of your weapon. The 10 round magazine works every time. Use stripper clips.

487 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:11:12pm

re: #477 JeremyR

In a small, enclosed range - I could hear the rounds tearing paper and brass tinkling on floor firing three round bursts from a SD model.

The problem with H&K is that their production unit cost is close to what an equivalent hand build would be. It is hard to justify their cost for an individual.

488 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:11:21pm

I would be in favor iof a universal draft ONLY if (and I've stated this here before on a couple of occasions):

-Have a 30-month requirement, not just two years.

-The draftee would have TWO choices - one is to be trained in the infantry and sent off to war, and if we are not requiring soldiers in-theatre, these people would perform duties similar to what the National Guard does, and be allocated to their home states. The other choice would be a 48-month requirement, which would entail border duty along the US-Mexico border, with people literally stationed about five feet apart from San Diego to Brownsville.

-Build forts along the border that would house and support these draftee border guards. For every illegal that the draftee captures and sends home, they get six hours of time reduced from their service commitment. Round up four a day equals one full day of reduction. Four guys round up one, each get 90 minutes taken off, and so on...

-The ONLY way a person could get a deferment is if they were in a mental institution, or otherwise required 24/7 care because of a severe physical or mental limitation. A deferment would require the approval of THREE doctors and a review board.

The problems with underage drinking would end, because NO high-school graduate could attend college without FIRST performing the appropriate service. After serving, he could go to college as normal, with a certain percentage of the tuition paid for, GI-Bill style.

Think Americans would do that? No.

I do NOT want non-volunteers in my US Forces!

489 yah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:12:32pm

re: #484 piglet-u93

ANSWER and Code Pink are part of this "peace" group.


I wonder how long before the "peace" groupies start fighting with each other?

490 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:13:20pm

re: #459 StudSupreme

There's no way you've ever served.

Then you don't know shit about people, then, do ya?

491 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:13:49pm

re: #416 Iron Fist

If you ever get a chance, you'd love an H&K MP 5. It is the absolute sweetest shooting gun ever made.

Absolutely, I got to spend some time with a suppressed full auto MP5.
(Belonged to the a SWAT Team).

492 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:15:04pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

Okay, you're right, still annoying.

/getting shot while reloading as the Germans expended their extra 10 rounds

Fully agree with you on that.
The latest squad automatic weapon is one that looks like an M-4, but with a heavier barrel, and it fires rounds two and after from an open bolt. It uses the same mag as the M-4 so snagged belts are not a problem, and neither is identifiability for a sniper.

493 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:15:23pm

re: #483 StudSupreme

Just feeding and clothing them is the problem. They would even get close to the stuff the NG has, we could not afford the health care.

I would rather issue everyone a long arm at age 18. Require they present it in a well maintained condition each year until 55.

494 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:15:38pm

re: #488 6pat6

I would be in favor iof a universal draft ONLY if (and I've stated this here before on a couple of occasions):

-Have a 30-month requirement, not just two years.

-The draftee would have TWO choices - one is to be trained in the infantry and sent off to war, and if we are not requiring soldiers in-theatre, these people would perform duties similar to what the National Guard does, and be allocated to their home states. The other choice would be a 48-month requirement, which would entail border duty along the US-Mexico border, with people literally stationed about five feet apart from San Diego to Brownsville.

-Build forts along the border that would house and support these draftee border guards. For every illegal that the draftee captures and sends home, they get six hours of time reduced from their service commitment. Round up four a day equals one full day of reduction. Four guys round up one, each get 90 minutes taken off, and so on...

-The ONLY way a person could get a deferment is if they were in a mental institution, or otherwise required 24/7 care because of a severe physical or mental limitation. A deferment would require the approval of THREE doctors and a review board.

The problems with underage drinking would end, because NO high-school graduate could attend college without FIRST performing the appropriate service. After serving, he could go to college as normal, with a certain percentage of the tuition paid for, GI-Bill style.

Think Americans would do that? No.

I do NOT want non-volunteers in my US Forces!

OK, I hear what you're saying. That's a pretty neat plan.
The Border Patrol idea could get very interesting and even funny, because there would be some guys who would try to come up with all sorts of 'creative' ways of increasing their time reduction thru 'captures', but I hear what you're getting at, and it sounds like a good idea.
:-)

495 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:16:26pm

re: #490 6pat6

Then you don't know shit about people, then, do ya?

Ya see? There you go again!
Is it really that difficult to be civil and avoid using foul language?

WE ARE JUST TALKING.

496 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:18:02pm

re: #493 de La Valette

Just feeding and clothing them is the problem. They would even get close to the stuff the NG has, we could not afford the health care.

I would rather issue everyone a long arm at age 18. Require they present it in a well maintained condition each year until 55.

Hmmm, maybe you're right.
It would just be such a good thing if there was a way to do it without bankrupting the country. Just the way the Athenians had their citizens serve in the militia and train together once a month - it seems to me it's a healthy thing for a democratic society.

497 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:18:07pm

re: #459 StudSupreme

I get pretty pissed off when people like you, who don't know shit about the military, insult the military like you do. FYI, dickweed, I have been in the military and associated with the miltary as a civilian, for a total of 30 years. Oh, and what is YOUR association, dimwit?

So, you can apologize to me and my fellow military veterans and retirees here and now, or you can just kiss my ass. I do not feel the need nor the desire to be civil to you in any shape, manner, or fashion. So, fuck off.

498 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:19:15pm

re: #491 jcm

Absolutely, I got to spend some time with a suppressed full auto MP5.
(Belonged to the a SWAT Team).

I was told a while ago, that ordinary citizens can only purchase a semi-auto version and what would be the point of that?

/apparently, even the 3 round burst trigger option is considered a "machine gun"

499 Promethea  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:19:16pm

re: #87 Crusty

And Chicago, which seems to be in an annual steeplechase with Richmond and D.C. for Most Per Capita Homicides every year.

If The 0ne is such a lightbearer, an agent of peace, a healer of the sick, worker of miracles, economic genius, etc., why didn't we see any of that in Illinois when he was senator here?!

Good question. I hope the Olympic Committee punishes Chicago for its horrible crime rate. I hope that because Mayor Daley wants the Olympics in Chicago, and I want to punish Daley for his disgusting role in shoving Obama onto the country.

500 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:19:18pm

re: #497 6pat6

I get pretty pissed off when people like you, who don't know shit about the military, insult the military like you do. FYI, dickweed, I have been in the military and associated with the miltary as a civilian, for a total of 30 years. Oh, and what is YOUR association, dimwit?

So, you can apologize to me and my fellow military veterans and retirees here and now, or you can just kiss my ass. I do not feel the need nor the desire to be civil to you in any shape, manner, or fashion. So, fuck off.


You are a complete and total liar, an impostor and a poser.

A 30 year veteran would NEVER use the language you use or lose his head like a child.

501 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:20:03pm

re: #488 6pat6

I would be in favor iof a universal draft ONLY if (and I've stated this here before on a couple of occasions):

-Have a 30-month requirement, not just two years.

-The draftee would have TWO choices - one is to be trained in the infantry and sent off to war, and if we are not requiring soldiers in-theatre, these people would perform duties similar to what the National Guard does, and be allocated to their home states. The other choice would be a 48-month requirement, which would entail border duty along the US-Mexico border, with people literally stationed about five feet apart from San Diego to Brownsville.

-Build forts along the border that would house and support these draftee border guards. For every illegal that the draftee captures and sends home, they get six hours of time reduced from their service commitment. Round up four a day equals one full day of reduction. Four guys round up one, each get 90 minutes taken off, and so on...

-The ONLY way a person could get a deferment is if they were in a mental institution, or otherwise required 24/7 care because of a severe physical or mental limitation. A deferment would require the approval of THREE doctors and a review board.

The problems with underage drinking would end, because NO high-school graduate could attend college without FIRST performing the appropriate service. After serving, he could go to college as normal, with a certain percentage of the tuition paid for, GI-Bill style.

Think Americans would do that? No.

I do NOT want non-volunteers in my US Forces!

There are two options that work, an all volunteer like we have now, or a 100% mandatory like the Swiss.
In Vietnam, most of the infantry were Volunteers.

502 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:21:21pm

re: #495 StudSupreme

But, obviously, you see the yutility an dbenefit in my Border Guard program. Like what was said in previous posts, logistics and money would be a huge problem.

Wait, the gub'mint just prints the shit, anyway, so money doesn't matter.

I still strongly disagree with the vast majority of what you have written so far.

503 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:21:54pm

re: #501 JeremyR

There are two options that work, an all volunteer like we have now, or a 100% mandatory like the Swiss.
In Vietnam, most of the infantry were Volunteers.

Are you sure?

504 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:23:20pm

re: #500 StudSupreme

You are a complete and total liar, an impostor and a poser.

A 30 year veteran would NEVER use the language you use or lose his head like a child.

You don't know many vets, do you? I have siomply stated my points in a vernacular that you might understand. I do not apologize for my words.

Again, you have no idea what I'm about. None at all.

505 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:23:27pm

re: #502 6pat6

But, obviously, you see the yutility an dbenefit in my Border Guard program. Like what was said in previous posts, logistics and money would be a huge problem.

Wait, the gub'mint just prints the shit, anyway, so money doesn't matter.

I still strongly disagree with the vast majority of what you have written so far.

Sorry. Don't mean to offend. It's just an idea.

Maybe it's an overly romantic idea.

I still feel uncomfortable with people calling for the Armed Forces to intervene in various trouble spots worldwide without being willing to serve themselves. Feels wrong.

506 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:23:29pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

See the list I posted above for state restrictions, plus a Federal permit, and the weapon has to predate some 1980's law. There are also importation issues associated with a need for an end-user permit to satisfy ITAR for some of these items.

507 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:23:41pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

I was told a while ago, that ordinary citizens can only purchase a semi-auto version and what would be the point of that?

/apparently, even the 3 round burst trigger option is considered a "machine gun"

Any 9mm that is not full auto is worthless when the fit hits the Shan.

508 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:24:59pm

re: #503 StudSupreme

Are you sure?

Of what?

509 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #504 6pat6

You don't know many vets, do you? I have siomply stated my points in a vernacular that you might understand. I do not apologize for my words.

Again, you have no idea what I'm about. None at all.

Actually, I know a lot of vets, including my Dad. Sure, the language can get colorful. But I'm tellin' ya - they're pretty cool customers almost all the time. Real friends, too.

Anyway, sorry I upset ya. Wasn't the intent.

510 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:25:43pm

re: #505 StudSupreme

Of course if you wanted to add a requirement for service as a qualification for elected or appointed Federal office, I would not object. Or, every vets vote gets counted twice, etc.

511 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:26:35pm

re: #508 JeremyR

Of what?

Sorry - of the great majority of the infantry being volunteers.
How can that be? I mean, why would a draft even be necessary then, if so many volunteers were stepping forward?
Or am I misunderstanding you?

512 StudSupreme  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:27:01pm

re: #510 de La Valette

Of course if you wanted to add a requirement for service as a qualification for elected or appointed Federal office, I would not object. Or, every vets vote gets counted twice, etc.


Hmmm. OK. That's a damn good idea. :-)

513 6pat6  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:30:32pm

re: #505 StudSupreme

I still feel uncomfortable with people calling for the Armed Forces to intervene in various trouble spots worldwide without being willing to serve themselves. Feels wrong.

On this point, I agree with you 110%! Our methods differ, of course. Too many people feel it's the other guy's problem and that the US will always be here, regardless. ALL citizens have to be willing to fight for our great nation. Perhaps not strictly in the literal sense, but fight, nevertheless.

514 Promethea  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:31:29pm

re: #443 Syrah

I am glad that Lucius is well. He cares about his profession and I know it consumes much of his time.

I am worried about Miguel

The world of the interwebs is different from real life in that should one of us fail to post, the rest of us are too often unable to find out why or what for.

It has a transient and ephemeral quality to it. We are here one day, and on another, never heard from again.

Check out the LGF archives from three or four years ago. An almost completely different set of posters commenting. When did all those former LGFers go?

515 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:31:39pm

re: #225 nyc redneck

When is Obama going give his brother George some pocket change so George can hit campaign trail?

Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.

"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."

Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya

Or, maybe he gather signatures under the train tracks in the 100,000 dollar gazebo .

516 mattm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:32:11pm

Islamic terrorists would bomb it first to show how little they care about peace with the west.

517 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:32:51pm

re: #492 JeremyR

The latest squad automatic weapon is one that looks like an M-4, but with a heavier barrel, and it fires rounds two and after from an open bolt. It uses the same mag as the M-4 so snagged belts are not a problem, and neither is identifiability for a sniper.

I take it you're past the M249 SAW and not quite at the M60E4.

/the M240G?

518 Promethea  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:32:57pm

#514 Me

I meant "where did those former LGFers go?"

519 zerodamage  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:33:03pm

Sounds familiar actually. Watch all of this and tell me that the fat hippie did not originate this idea. Hippie wants Department of Peace

520 jcm  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:33:35pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

I was told a while ago, that ordinary citizens can only purchase a semi-auto version and what would be the point of that?

/apparently, even the 3 round burst trigger option is considered a "machine gun"

A couple states allow full auto, AZ is one IIRC. Or you can get your Federal Firearms License which allows full auto.

Anything more than one round per trigger pull is considered full auto or machine gun.

The MP5 is a nice compact size, and comes in a several calibers. It gives you more ammo in the mag than a pistol, more accurate and easier to shot with in the SMG size than a handgun. It's a nice home defense weapon.

521 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:35:47pm

re: #506 de La Valette

See the list I posted above for state restrictions, plus a Federal permit, and the weapon has to predate some 1980's law. There are also importation issues associated with a need for an end-user permit to satisfy ITAR for some of these items.

/so basically, there ain't going to be an MP-7 under my Christmas tree?

522 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:39:02pm

re: #511 StudSupreme

Sorry - of the great majority of the infantry being volunteers.
How can that be? I mean, why would a draft even be necessary then, if so many volunteers were stepping forward?
Or am I misunderstanding you?

2/3 of those who served in Vietnam were volunteers. I copied a list of Vietnam Myths from a poster at another site. Since he is a History Prof, and a Vietnam War vet, I trust his judgement. I've posted the whole thing here several times, it takes several comments to get it all on.

523 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:40:00pm

re: #253 StudSupreme

And you sound like a moron.

524 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:40:16pm

re: #517 Killian Bundy

/the M240G?

No that's just another version of the M60.

/a squad automatic weapon based on the M4, rings a bell, and it would sure be lighter

525 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:42:08pm

re: #425 Gus 802

We will just have to see what the prosecutor does.

526 Syrah  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:43:56pm

re: #514 Promethea

Check out the LGF archives from three or four years ago. An almost completely different set of posters commenting. When did all those former LGFers go?

It is interesting to observe how some people move in and out of virtual communities. They move in, they move out, they move on, they fall off, they get thrown off.

Like life itself in a way.

527 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:47:49pm

re: #517 Killian Bundy

I take it you're past the M249 SAW and not quite at the M60E4.

/the M240G?

Do you get Military Channel? They have a regular called Weaponology. He covers stuff that is cutting edge. Its new, and being tested, but not yet deployed.
I humped the Old M-60 plenty. I was almost in love with it. I got stuck in an armor unit for a while and discovered the M-240. It is an awesome piece!
I wish I had a link to give you, but it was on the military channel.

528 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:48:20pm

re: #521 Killian Bundy

Maybe, several of the H&K carbines and submachine guns can be purchased with semi-auto trigger "paks." This component determines if the weapon is capable of going automatic. I believe you actually have to register the "pak", but I could be wrong about that.

If you have a rich Santa Claus you could get an H&K, or were willing to do all of the Federal paperwork? I don't know if the MP-7 has a semi-auto trigger pak nor do I understand why you would want one.

It is conceptual weapon, along the lines of the M4, to provide a lightweight weapon to rear echelon troops. However, the asymmetrical nature of today's wars mean that rear echelon support troops need to be as capable in self defense as the pointy end. The MP7 is an odd weapon, in an odd caliber, in search of a mission. Soon to be a rare collectors item.

529 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:48:56pm

re: #522 JeremyR

Linky?

530 realwest  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:50:26pm

re: #522 JeremyR
Well I was an enlisted man - didn't get drafted and I served in the infantry with quite a few draftee grunts.
And I will state, unequivacally, for the record, that those draftees were ever bit as brave, honorable and reliable as us regular Army guys.
IF you really want to see some myths that'll curl your hair, check out the book Stolen Valor by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley. IIRC, they put the % of draftee's in the infantry at closer to 40%.

531 abolitionist  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:54:33pm

At PWW, Department of Peace needed - Mar 15, 2003

At PWW, EDITORIAL: Marx was right - 10/17/08

It was only yesterday that “free market” ideologues were dancing on Karl Marx’s grave with scornful shouts that “greed is good” and “TINA” — “there is no alternative” to capitalism. These fat men guffawed contemptuously at Marx’s warning that capitalism is built on wage exploitation, that workers never earn enough to buy back what they produce, creating “overproduction” and periodic crises — some deep and long — that can only be solved by socialism.

These ideologues cling to delusions that capitalism is the “best of all possible worlds,” blindness expressed as recently as two weeks ago by John McCain when he asserted that the “fundamentals of the economy are strong.”
[snip]

People's Weekly World

Article taken from the PWW Web-site.

Author: PWW Web Dept.

The People�s Weekly World is the newspaper of the Communist Party, USA reporting on and analyzing the pressing issues of the day: peace, social and economic justice, workers� rights, civil liberties, reproductive rights, protection of the environment, and more.

The PWW is the direct descendant of the Daily Worker and has been in the battles of the U.S. working class and people�s movements since the first issue of the Daily Worker came off the press in 1924.

I'm partly color-blind, but there seems to be a lot of red in this video. NON PARTISAN ACORN

532 gman  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:56:48pm

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

That's the argument they've been pushing over at Daily Kos. It's the "we know what's best for you, so STFU" argument.

Personally, I believe individuals should be able to decide if they want to serve or not.

533 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:57:01pm

re: #529 de La Valette

Linky?

I can give you the text from my files, but it was a comment on a blog and I copied it down.
Here it is:
Below are some assembled some facts most readers will find interesting. It isn't a long read, but it will....I guarantee...teach you some things you did not know about the Vietnam War and those who served, fought, or died there. Please share it with those with whom you communicate.

Vietnam War Facts: Facts, Statistics, Fake Warrior Numbers, and Myths Dispelled

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the official Vietnam era from August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975.
2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam Vietnam Veterans represented 9.7% of their generation.
240 men were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.
58,148 were killed in Vietnam
75,000 were severely disabled
23,214 were 100% disabled
5,283 lost limbs
1,081 sustained multiple amputations Of those killed, 61% were younger than 21
11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old Of those killed, 17,539 were married Average age of men killed: 23.1 years Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old. The oldest man killed was 62 years old. As of January 15, 2 004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War
97% of Vietnam Veterans were honorably discharged
91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served
74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups. Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.
87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem. There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group (Source: Veterans Administration Study) Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life. Interesting Census Stats and "Been There" Wanabees:
1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,
1995 (census figures). ~ During that same Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958. ~ As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not.

The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country. Corrections and confirmations to this errored index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).

534 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:58:04pm

re: #514 Promethea


They come and go. It’s the nature of the net.

With economy trashed by the dems including, Big O “ACORN”Obama, Barney “Screw Fannie” Frank and Chuck “Indymac bank liquidator” Schumer many of them are probably working hard just to make ends meet.

Taxes are back-braking and gas prices are through the roof so the average working Joe they doesn't have time to post - and I would bet a lot of them are lgf posters.

535 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:58:25pm

Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations. From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers. - Nixon Presidential Papers

Common Myths Dispelled:

Myth: Common Belief is that most Vietnam veterans were drafted. Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.

Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population. Fact: Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group.

Myth: Common belief is that a disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War. Fact: 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia, a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

Myth: Common belief is that the war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated. Fact: Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers. Vietnam Veterans were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better. Here are statistics from the Combat Area Casualty File (CACF) as of November 1993. The CACF is the basis for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
(The Wall): Average age of 58,148 killed in Vietnam was 23.11 years.
(Although 58,169 names are in the Nov. 93 database, only 58,148 have both event date and birth date. Event date is used instead of declared dead date for some of those who were listed as missing in action) Deaths Average Age Total: 58,148, 23.11 years Enlisted: 50,274, 22.37 years
Officers: 6,598, 28.43 years Warrants: 1,276, 24.73 years E1 525, 20.34 years
11B MOS: 18,465, 22.55 years

Myth: The common belief is the average age of an infantryman fighting in Vietnam was 19. Fact:: Assuming KIAs accurately represented age groups serving in Vietnam, the average age of an infantryman (MOS 11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old is a myth, it is actually 22. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. The average man who fought in World War II was 26 years of age.

536 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:58:31pm

re: #527 JeremyR

Do you get Military Channel? They have a regular called Weaponology. He covers stuff that is cutting edge. Its new, and being tested, but not yet deployed.
I humped the Old M-60 plenty. I was almost in love with it. I got stuck in an armor unit for a while and discovered the M-240. It is an awesome piece!
I wish I had a link to give you, but it was on the military channel.

Yeah, I get the Military Channel, have it bookmarked. I'm pretty sure I saw the same M4 variant you did. Ever play COD4?

/scads of military on multiplayer

537 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 9:59:45pm

Myth: The Common belief is that the domino theory was proved false. Fact: The domino theory was accurate. The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand stayed free of Communism because of the U.S. commitment to Vietnam. The Indonesians threw the Soviets out in 1966 because of America's commitment in Vietnam. Without that commitment, Communism would have swept all the way to the Malacca Straits that is south of Singapore and of great strategic importance to the free world. If you ask people who live in these countries that won the war in Vietnam, they have a different opinion from the American news media. The Vietnam War was the turning point for Communism.

Myth: The common belief is that the fighting in Vietnam was not as intense as in World War II. Fact: The average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat in one year thanks to the mobility of the helicopter. One out of every 10 Americans who served in Vietnam was a casualty. 58,148 were killed and 304,000 wounded out of 2.7 million who served. Although the percent that died is similar to other wars, amputations or crippling wounds were 300 percent higher than in World War II ....75,000 Vietnam veterans are severely disabled. MEDEVAC helicopters flew nearly 500,000 missions. Over 900,000 patients were airlifted (nearly half were American). The average time lapse between wounding to hospitalization was less than one hour. As a result, less than one percent of all Americans wounded, who survived the first 24 hours, died. The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without the helicopter it would have taken three times as many troops to secure the 800 mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords or 1962 would secure the border).

Myth: Kim Phuc, the little nine year old Vietnamese girl running naked from the napalm strike near Trang Bang on 8 June 1972.....shown a million times on American television....was burned by Americans bombing Trang Bang. Fact: No American had involvement in this incident near Trang Bang that burned Phan Thi Kim Phuc. The planes doing the bombing near the village were VNAF (Vietnam Air Force) and were being flown by Vietnamese pilots in support of South Vietnamese troops on the ground. The Vietnamese pilot who dropped the napalm in error is currently living in the United States. Even the AP photographer, Nick Ut, who took the picture, was Vietnamese. The incident in the photo took place on the second day of a three day battle between the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) who occupied the village of Trang Bang and the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) who were trying to force the NVA out of the village. Recent reports in the news media that an American commander ordered the air strike that burned Kim Phuc are incorrect. There were no Americans involved in any capacity. "We (Americans) had nothing to do with controlling VNAF," according to Lieutenant General (Ret) James F. Hollingsworth, the Commanding General of TRAC at that time. Also, it has been incorrectly reported that two of Kim Phuc's brothers were killed in this incident. They were Kim's cousins not her brothers.
Myth: The United States lost the war in Vietnam. Fact: The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. General Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at the University of California, Berkley a major military defeat for the VC and NVA.

THE UNITED STATES DID NOT LOSE THE WAR IN VIETNAM, THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE DID. Read on........

538 wiffersnapper  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:00:10pm

The Department of Peace is a pipe dream of BOULDER liberal Mark Udall running for CO Senate. Once again, Boulder is the hell to the rest of Colorado's heaven.

539 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:00:24pm

The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973.

How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of US. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT American military running for their lives. There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 then there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam. Thanks for the perceived loss and the countless assassinations and torture visited upon Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians goes mainly to the American media and their undying support-by-misrepresentation of the anti-War movement in the United States.

As with much of the Vietnam War, the news media misreported and misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive. It was reported as an overwhelming success for the Communist forces and a decided defeat for the U.S. forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet Offensive resulted in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen Giap, the designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as ranking with Wellington, Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander. Still, militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the Communist forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong elements in South Vietnam. The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one front and that was the News front and the political arena. This was another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming the perceived truth.

540 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:01:40pm

re: #536 Killian Bundy

I'm on a slow dial up connection, so don't go for any player stuff. :-(

541 uptight  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:02:38pm

MEMO FROM BBHO

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

TODAY'S UNPERSONS: LIMBAUGH, R; HANNITY, S;

VICTORY COFFEE NEW SUPPLIES AT V-MART. DOUBLE-PLUS GOOD. THANK YOU BBHO. ALL HAIL BBHO.

THAT IS ALL

542 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:03:17pm

re: #528 de La Valette

No, it's a Santa list and I don't want to do the Federal paperwork.

/S&W 9mm with hollow point ammunition will take care of 99% of any threat I might face

543 uptight  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:04:20pm

Speaking of which, is the domain name amerisoc.org taken?

544 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:06:18pm

re: #543 uptight

Speaking of which, is the domain name amerisoc.org taken?

/that's good

545 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:06:40pm

re: #533 JeremyR

Thank you

546 Soccermom  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:08:27pm

Lord help us all. What a stupid idea.

547 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:11:44pm

re: #542 Killian Bundy

The only reason for that MP7 is if you expect your target to be at close range wearing body armor. If so, you should posting on Kos.

548 JHW  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:12:11pm

re: #535 JeremyR

I can give you a source on this Jeremy, it's chock full of many statistics and tables of various kinds. I second Realwest's opinion of the "Stolen Valor " book, it's a great resource. My brother and I both served in the 9th ID, in the Delta,if that has any relevance. Anyway...
War Without Fronts , the American Experience in Vietnam, commissioned by the D.O.D., IIRC.
pg.115 Draftees Accounted for 1/3 of the US Combat Deaths
Reg. Army, 13,037, Reserve 2,695, Nat'l Guard 72, Sel. Serv. (Draftees) 14,791
USMC Reg. 11,507, Res., 816, Draftees 613
USN Reg. 1,261 Res, 165, draftee 0
USAF Reg 716 Res. 281, Air Nat'l Gd. 4

I highly recommend this book for the dozens of various tables that break down a lot of myths and highlight little known facts, generally in support of what you've posted.

549 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:13:56pm

JeremyR

The impact of the helicopter on the infantry is interesting.

550 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #414 Killian Bundy

Bottom loading magazine and short bipod.

551 PeggyU  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:16:42pm

Just great! And who gets to fund this feel-good bureaucratic piece of shite?

552 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:20:07pm

re: #550 FamHistoryGuy

Bottom loading magazine and short bipod.

/it wouldn't have killed them to design it as a top loading weapon like the British did

553 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:27:33pm

re: #551 PeggyU

Just great! And who gets to fund this feel-good bureaucratic piece of shite?

/as they say, if you have to ask, you can't afford it

554 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:27:43pm

Unfortunately, the nonprofit religious organization I work for really likes this Department of Peace idea. It's been pretty much taken over by moonbats.

555 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:27:55pm

re: #549 de La Valette

JeremyR

The impact of the helicopter on the infantry is interesting.

How true!

556 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:35:38pm

re: #555 JeremyR

How true!

/compare to the impact of the drone

557 de La Valette  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:52:33pm

0200 Last call, I'm done.

558 jmwcctx  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 10:57:57pm

Brought to you by the folks who ran out of public schools to screw up...

559 ledger1  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 11:02:22pm

re: #539 JeremyR

I book marked your post. It could come in handy when discussing the "facts" with some Kos idiot.

560 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 11:02:41pm

Pump It

Hey Ya

Move Along

/for the Squids

561 dreader1962  Fri, Oct 24, 2008 11:38:17pm

re: #472 de La Valette

I've been reading StudSupreme's posts here I wonder what motivated this person to seek a draft so we could get people inside the military to 'question' things. Along with that, he seems to be implying that there is a real potential for the military to stage some sort of coup in the near future.

Let me get my credentials out of the way - 20 years US Army active service, retiring as a Sergeant First Class. Having retired in 2002, I can definitely say that StudSupreme has no concept of the attitude of people in the service. There is an absolute respect for civilian control of the military and an abhorrence for the military even influencing the domestic political arena. During my career, I did not have any problem speaking my mind - the same considerations are extant in the military as in any organization; in fact, I felt even more at ease doing so because of the structure of appeals, open door policies and the IG system. This always assumes rational dissent and calm, respectful argumentation - the system does not support petty or juvenile complaints (nor should it).

Here are some problems to consider:

- Other people have pointed out the problem with the expense of provisioning just the healthy troops, one can only imagine how expensive it would be to provide for people who are handicapped (and how much work you could get from them). You see, the Army many times has to rely on all soldiers regardless of profession to accomplish any number of tasks that require manual labor - sometimes it's hard enough in a support unit with a large number of female soldiers to scrounge together a work detail to do heavy tasks; I can only imagine if you add soldiers with physical limitations.

- It's always preferable to have someone performing a duty who has chosen it rather than someone who has been forced into it. Just think about it - everyone will want the 'choice' MOS assignments, but they'll have to be allocated to what is needed. You'll get a lot of disgruntled cooks, mechanics, and mortuary specialists.

- When we had a draft in WWII and Korea, they actually would shoot someone who showed cowardice in the face of the enemy and would severely punish a soldier who mouthed off to a sergeant. Now, the punishments all have to be adjudicated by the CO, and even then are lukewarm when administered. What is to prevent someone who was drafted for the front to sit on his rear and say, "What's the worst you'll do to me - some extra duty while my discharge is processed?" Do you really think they'll bring back firing squads for cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Just a few points. I would rather have a setup similar to what Heinlein detailed in Starship Troopers where you had to put yourself up for service to gain the ability to vote and hold public office (could be military or civilian - whatever you were capable of and what was needed). All rights were honored for those who did not serve - in this society, voting/public office were not 'rights'. By the way, for a few years, Starship Troopers was on the Marine Corps professional reading list - it has great value to demonstrate concepts of duty, loyalty and leadership. Do not mistake the movie for a valid interpretation - the idiot who did the screenplay put everyone in pseudo-fascist uniforms.

Sorry for the long post - I don't post often, but this line of argumentation struck close to home. I understand the emotional response of some of my fellow veterans, but remember to keep the discussion civil. If the person you are responding to is a troll, they will reveal themselves in time when the lose patience.

562 justadot  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 1:19:56am

re: #561 dreader1962

Your second and third points are the ones that have most concerned me any time I hear mention of a draft. Well put.

563 rightwinger3  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 1:46:40am
Our website is optimized for FireFox.
If you are using Microsoft's Internet Explorer, this site may not display properly. You can download FireFox here.

Full disclosure, I am a Firefox user so I had no problems on "The Peace Alliance" website.

But I do believe they have already compromised one of their core principles and they are at war with all you IE users and IE itself. Someone should notify Microsoft.
/

564 SalsaNChips  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 2:40:21am

"Department of Peace". Great. What's next, the Ministry of Love?

565 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 3:20:19am
Everyone deals falsely.
They have healed the hurt of My people superficially.
Saying, 'Peace, peace!'
When there is no peace.
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?
No! They were not at all ashamed;
Nor did they know how to blush.
Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;
At the time I punish them,
They shall be cast down, says the L-RD.

—Prophet Jeremiah, c. 600 BCE, addressed to false prophets and religious leaders who were spreading false hope among the people.

566 KrsnaDas  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 3:52:16am

We are the world, we are the children.... ug.

What part of the constitution authorizes this? I must have missed something.

Group hug.

567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 4:42:22am

Peace has to be wanted by both sides. Unfortunately, there are about 15,000 sides. One little shiny happy department won't change that.

568 Scoobie  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 5:34:52am

Why not?
Bill Clinton had a Department of PIECE. Staffed by interns.

569 doggunit  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 5:43:51am

Meanwhile, our pious adversaries have created the Department of Rest-In-Peace.

570 FrogMarch  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 5:56:32am

After they bomb Israel and Georgia, we'll serve tea.
If they bomb us - we'll just surrender.

571 rb4269  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 6:24:35am

The Department of Peace.

We have always been at war with Israel, Iran has always been our ally.

572 Daddio  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 6:26:08am
These beautiful cards are blank on the inside


Just like the minds of the Obamacan supporters of this idea.

573 Joel  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 6:35:04am

Our October Surprise ---- George W. Bush should endorse Obama. I mean imagine...what kind of chaos would that cause? Bush can say something like "All my incompetent cronies and political hacks have endorse The One so why not me? I am following in the footsteps of Scott McClellan ("I lost confidence in him anyway after the battle of Antietam'), Ken Adelman, Colin Powell, Michael Brown, George Tenet,"

574 17nigel12  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 6:40:37am

Fox just destroyed Ayers. They tried to interview him and he did the perp walk of silence then called the cops on them!

575 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 6:58:37am

re: #125 the_flying_pig

We do have a Department of Peace for decades: it is called the Department of Defense.

Flyer -

DoD is the Post WWII POLITICALLY CORRECT name for a Unified Military Department. The Army component of that Department was formerly known as the "DEPARTMENT of WAR."
A Department of Peace would be nothing more than an additional Department of State. One is enough - and often more than enough. That is all.

-S-

576 Byzantium  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 7:03:13am

I thought it was the Ministry of Love, or The Department of Vague Concepts.

577 Caboose  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 7:42:00am

We already had a Department of Peace (motto, "Peace Is Our Profession"). This one I could get behind.

Otherwise, we need FEWER gubbmint agencies, not more.

N0bama!

578 Bullskin  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 7:49:05am

re: #76 Killian Bundy

How's he going to pay for it? He's already got a $trillion+ cue of new spending lined up and and if they get 60 seats in the Senate, he could ram it all home along with the 40 year old Supreme Court Justices to the left of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

/now remember, he promised to not raise taxes one penny for 95% of you!


He is following the road book of an evident twit in luring idiots written by someone called zapatero. This one also created a ministry of equality and another of housing. Both are useless, do nothing and cost millions, but image is what count for these harmful vipers.

579 Gearhead  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 7:51:21am

As soon as they get their hands on the voting lists from the GOP primaries, it'll become the Department of Pieces.

580 CMinMN  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 8:07:23am

Let's arm the world with hugs. It sounds good and emotionally it makes me feel good.

581 Bullskin  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 8:18:20am

re: #116 StudSupreme

Though I have the highest respect for the US Military and have a bunch of friends who have served, I must disagree with the Pentagon on this one.
It is DANGEROUS to have a purely professional military. Ask the Athenians and the Romans.
We need a very large contingent of citizen soldiers. They will always have the guts to call 'bullshit' or 'chickenshit' on anything the military does that is stupid, counterproductive, or in any way dumb. The folks who join voluntarily will always be less inclined to do so, since they will feel duty bound to put up with it.

Romans and no Romans were eager to serve in legions, not only for the pay and retirement benefits but it was considered a honor and a straight way to gain full citizenship. Both Roman and Athenians ended as civilization the time they could not have a professional army.
And this means to have highly experienced and trained people committed to their duty.

Dangerous are the amateurs who believe in their mighty intelligence they can fix the world with their so clever ideas. (Liberals).

582 Airedale  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 8:21:04am

Charles. How about reposting the link when they get their message board forums up and running;

[Link: www.thepeacealliance.org...]

they still have yet to put it all together.
I was hoping to post a link to the news story of how the Pakistani "peace committe" was treated by the Taliban a few months ago. ..had their throats slit......

well done boys !

wining the hearts and minds by "talking"

583 ErkWit  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 9:16:46am

There's a typo on that site (and thus also in the post).

Its true name is "The Department of a(Peace)ment," colloquially known as the Department of Appeasement. In reality this idea isn't new. Previous Doa(P)m's existed in Britain and France in the 1920's and 30's but these fine institutions were inexplicably and prematurely disbanded in 1939, no doubt due to the criminal warmongering of warmongers in Britain and France.

Fear not! For Barack Hussein Obama shall let nothing stand between our country and a(Peace)ment!

584 tregonsee  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 10:12:40am

Ok these people are truly without any sense of humor or irony. A Department (or in British speak Ministry) of Peace (MiniPax). What's next the Ministry of Truth (MiniTru) or the Ministry of Love (MiniLuv)? Does anyone read books anymore? No they'd probably mistake 1984 for a reality show... this is, to coin a phrase, doubleplusungood.

585 scullybum  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 10:12:57am

It is quite amazing how fast you can connect any Obama association with Marxists:

[Link: mlblog.osdir.com...]

Also let us all remember that the great Saul Alinsky's principals actually mesh well with fanatical Islam's penchant for justifiable lying ans violet protests.

More to come?

The Concerned...

586 scullybum  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 10:16:12am

re: #585 scullybum

Hehe, More typing classes to come...

587 jcbunga  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 10:43:01am

...somebody pass the duct tape...my head...my head...

588 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 25, 2008 11:40:18am

The Department of Peace won't be any real weakness. It isn't as if the Ministry of Love was a puffball either, for that matter.

/orwell


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