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Rashid Khalidi Ranted About the 'Zionist Lobby' on Al Jazeera

Politics | Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:13:59 am PDT

In December 2003, Barack Obama’s friend Rashid Khalidi appeared on the Arabic version of Al Jazeera and let the mask drop completely, in a bigoted, antisemitic rant against the Washington Institute for Near East Policy: Dr. Rashid and Mr. Khalidi.

By God, I say that the participation of the sons or daughters of the Arabs in the plans and affairs of this institute is a huge error, this Israeli institute in Washington, an institute founded by AIPAC, the Zionist lobby, and that hosts tens of Israelis every year. The presence of an Arab or two each year can’t disguise the nature of this institute as the most important center of Zionist interests in Washington for at least a decade. I very much regret the participation of Arab officials and non-officials and academics in the activities of this institute, because in fact if you look at the output of this institute, it’s directed against the Palestinians, against the Arabs, and against the Muslims in general. Its products describe the Palestinians as terrorists, and in fact its basic function is to spread lies and falsehoods about the Arab world, of course under an academic, scholarly veneer. Basically, this is the most important Zionist propaganda tool in the United States.

Martin Kramer comments on the organization Khalidi attacked, which is directed by Dennis Ross—who is now Barack Obama’s Middle East advisor:

This is the intimidating language of Arab boycott, aimed against an institution with entirely American credentials. The Washington Institute is directed by Ambassador Dennis Ross, who was the chief Middle East peace negotiator in the presidential administrations of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. He has always been a model of balance (unlike Khalidi, whose forays into politics have always been to advise Yasir Arafat). The Washington Institute is run by Americans, and accepts funds only from American sources. (Contrast with the donors of Khalidi’s chair, whose precise identities Columbia still refuses to reveal.) ...

I note that Khalidi has never made a comparable statement in English, probably for this reason: it would damage his reputation as a bridge-building moderate. To maintain that image, he’s even shared podiums with members of The Washington Institute. But Khalidi in Arabic, on Al-Jazeera, is someone else altogether. There he is the bridge-burner, the zealot who would warn other Arabs away from The Washington Institute because it is “Israeli,” and a “Zionist propaganda tool.” Behold, Arab-style McCarthyism.

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1 spidly  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:15:08am

he just wants change

2 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:15:20am

I thought I saw a hand basket...

3 spidly  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:15:47am

up a little late Charles. had to sun a bit longer this morning to raise the core temp?

4 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:17:30am

This sucks bigtime.
These Obama supporters are living in a fantasy re-education camp, where all of their propaganda dreams come true.
This is just one of those dreams.

5 spidly  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:17:56am

and again:
too bad the whole MSM isn't asking these questions.
Biden's FL interview

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:18:17am

The kimono opens.

7 Blackacre  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:18:23am

Haven't we had enough of this racist guilt-by-association?
/Need I?

8 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:18:33am

So, will Dennis Ross last in the Obama camp?

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:18:45am

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The kimono opens.

MWAH!

10 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:19:09am

If you're going to hang out with advocates of terrorism and bigotry- why limit it to domestics? Go international with it.

11 Steve Young  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:22:07am

It is stories like this that highlight the important work of MEMRI in exposing the two-faced nature of our enemies. Since the MSM would rather ignore the truth than report it, the continued existence of MEMRI becomes even more critical.

12 kansas  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:22:30am

I'm pretty sure we should get off this important shit and get back to Palingate.//// Anybody think perhaps some of this will hit the MSM prior to the inauguration? Joes interview, the tape, anything? Just Sarah's clothes, is that gonna be it? Pathetic.

13 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:22:37am

re: #8 itellu3times

So, will Dennis Ross last in the Obama camp?

He seems to have the ability to decieve himself very well. After all it seemed to take him forever to realize Arafat wasn't the second coming of Ghandi?

14 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:24:47am

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Guilt written ALL over it. The Grand Jury has been empaneled. Expect a knock on your door.

duh ... sorry if I'm slow to respond this AM ... last night was ... welllll

/I lie like a rug

15 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:24:47am

This charming Khalidi fellow is going to be Barry's UN Ambassador, anyone wanna bet?

16 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:25:14am

Good morning Charles!
From your link about Mr. Ross:

"I decided to take an active part in the campaign because I feel the stakes are so high. I looked at us, especially in the Middle East, and I think we've been on the sidelines everywhere except [in] Iraq. And when the U.S. is on the sidelines, U.S. interests suffer and I think Israel's interests suffer, too. I felt that I just didn't have the luxury of remaining on the sidelines and sitting this one out."


I bet that the idea that we've been on the sidelines is gonna come as a surprise to both George W. Bush and Condi Rice - not to mention the Israeli's, the Pakistani's and the Afghani's.

17 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:26:06am

MSM ,,, YYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNN ,, Wake us on Inauguration day!

18 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:27:10am

re: #17 sattv4u2

MSM ,,, YYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNN ,, Wake us on Inauguration Coronatiopn day!


self fixed

19 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #17 sattv4u2

MSM ,,, YYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNN ,, Wake us on Inauguration day!

They're way to busy with other really important things.
When's trash day at Joe the Plumber's? There's serious digging to be done...

20 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:28:59am

Makes me wonder who is using who here or are all Obama's relationships symbiotic? Is he a knowing fool or a calculated one?

21 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:29:40am

to, too. One less 'O'...

22 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:29:53am

Why do I get the feeling Mr. Ross was brought on board the 0bama campaign to give the appearance of pro-Israeli credentials to the 0bama team and 0bama himself? Mr. Ross is being used to calm any fears among Jewish voters, yet it is Israel who will suffer should 0bama win.

23 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:30:22am

Mr. Ross' tactics of intense all inclusive negotiations, has proved ineffective. He has basically said so him self. I guess it's a good paying gig for him Very sad and dangerous the pre-9/11 attitude.

24 BrianA  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:30:25am

LA Times: "no comment".

25 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:30:59am

re: #19 Van Helsing

They're way to busy with other really important things.
When's trash day at Joe the Plumber's? There's serious digging to be done...

Not to mention clerks in the Neiman Marcus womens dept for an indepth study of what skirts Sarah took into the fitting rooms

26 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:32:06am

The reason all of his friends are connected to such reprehensible words and actions, while 0 remains comparatively smooth and shiny is exactly because 0 has said and done so little of note or worth. 0 is a cipher. A nothing. But who operates the strings of the empty-suited puppet? Hmmm...

27 ErislDysnomia[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:32:44am
28 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:34:38am

re: #23 n in wi

Mr. Ross' tactics of intense all inclusive negotiations, has proved ineffective. He has basically said so him self. I guess it's a good paying gig for him Very sad and dangerous the pre-9/11 attitude.

I am more inclined top believe that Ross thinks that his failures have more to do with him and other westerners not "trying" hard enough.

29 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:35:00am

re: #27 ErislDysnomia

This is getting as out of hand as the birth certificate stuff.

30 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:35:07am

re: #25 sattv4u2

Not to mention clerks in the Neiman Marcus womens dept for an indepth study of what skirts Sarah took into the fitting rooms

Or Saks.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
Whatever sells a magazine, I s'pose.

31 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #11 Steve Young

It is stories like this that highlight the important work of MEMRI in exposing the two-faced nature of our enemies. Since the MSM would rather ignore the truth than report it, the continued existence of MEMRI becomes even more critical.

But if the O wins; here comes the "Fairnes Doctrine" and MEMRI will be just that, a memory.

32 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:36:07am

Please. For God's sake. This is an important story. Don't mess it up by posting nonsense.

Thank you.

33 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:36:37am

Our local talk/sports station got in a rare talk show today (football season, ya know), and the guy doing it immediately launched into The Fascist Tool Barack Obama and his minions at The Toledo Blade for the way they've treated Joe the Plumber.

Good morning, Charles. :-)

34 jester6  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:36:40am

After watching Reliable Sources this morning I doubt there will be a media outcry over this or the LA Time tape.

35 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:36:43am

re: #27 ErislDysnomia

Is this Obama's secret?
In a word, NO. What he has done is appeal to the lowest common denominator. Who amongst us does NOT want CHANGE of some sort or othre (nobody is 100% satisfied with every aspect of their life) Who amongst us does not HOPE (it's easier than actually DOING)
I know this is simplistic, but the MAJORITY of people fall into the "TAX CUTS FOR 95%) (even though that in of itself is a sham you're still IN that 95% unless your among the top 5% wage earners)

36 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:36:49am

Is the LA Times being paid off to not show or to destroy those films, via money from those "no holds barred" credit card O campaign contributions from "overseas"?

/just sayin'

37 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:37:38am

re: #19 Van Helsing

They're way to busy with other really important things.
When's trash day at Joe the Plumber's? There's serious digging to be done...

OT trivia -- in the 70's or 80's in Tucson, FBI agents posed as garbage collectors in (supposedly retired) Mafia chieftan Joe Bonnano's neighborhood. IIRC, they collected his trash for several months. They nailed his ass.

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:37:44am
39 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:37:49am

re: #35 sattv4u2

Is this Obama's secret?
In a word, NO. What he has done is appeal to the lowest common denominator. Who amongst us does NOT want CHANGE of some sort or othre (nobody is 100% satisfied with every aspect of their life) Who amongst us does not HOPE (it's easier than actually DOING)
I know this is simplistic, but the MAJORITY of people fall into the "TAX CUTS FOR 95%) (even though that in of itself is a sham you're still IN that 95% unless your among the top 5% wage earners)

I have a hard time believing over half the American population is THAT stupid.

(If they are, then they deserve what they are going to get. It's just that WE don't).

40 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:00am

re: #32 Charles

Please. For God's sake. This is an important story. Don't mess it up by posting nonsense.

Thank you.


It's an incredibly important story, but who exactly is gonna take it seriously all of a sudden with the entire MSM in the tank? I am not trying to be pessimistic, but but but.....

41 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:29am

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

Dennis Ross spoke a couple of years ago at a synagogue in my neighborhood; he was on a tour pimping his latest book.

He basically stated that Arafat neither could nor would make any kind of peace--yet he himself still clung to the fatuous idea that a group of people whose leaders had radicalized them to be more radical than the leaders themselves would somehow be convinced to kiss and make up with the Israelis.

G-d preserve us from suicidally delusional Jews.

Amen

42 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:35am

re: #31 Soona'

But if the O wins; here comes the "Fairnes Doctrine" and MEMRI will be just that, a memory.

If O wins I think that even the MSM will end up questioning some policies and we've had a taste of how that will be responded to with Biden's interview with West(?) in Florida.

43 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:39am

Charles, maybe it's time to start in with watch-words and stuff... anything with "[Oo0]bama.*birth certificate" gets blocked from even posting, with a notification to you that $LUSER tried to post it.

44 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:39:26am

re: #31 Soona'

But if the O wins; here comes the "Fairnes Doctrine" and MEMRI will be just that, a memory.

See this thread over at SwiftVets.

45 victor_yugo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #39 ErislDysnomia

I have no problem believing YOU are that stupid.

This is Charles' site. If you want to post that discredited tripe, take it elsewhere.

46 BrianA  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:39:31am

re: #40 Nevergiveup

It's an incredibly important story, but who exactly is gonna take it seriously all of a sudden with the entire MSM in the tank? I am not trying to be pessimistic, but but but.....

need to change that nick?

47 opnion  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:39:49am

Khalidi is the guy that the 0bamas woud be seated at the same table with at Pali functions in Hyde Park.
Barry made lots of pro Pali and anti -
Israel statements.
Khalidi said that Obama would have to step. back until after the election.

48 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #42 Van Helsing

If O wins I think that even the MSM will end up questioning some policies and we've had a taste of how that will be responded to with Biden's interview with West(?) in Florida.

Well when Chicago, NYC, or LA disappears the MSM might be forced to take notice?

49 HDrepub  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #20 rightymouse

Makes me wonder who is using who here or are all Obama's relationships symbiotic? Is he a knowing fool or a calculated one?

Obama is like Al Gore in the sense that whatever promotes Obama is what he goes for. When people are no longer useful they are thrown under the bus.

50 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:41:12am

re: #36 ErislDysnomia

Is the LA Times being paid off to not show or to destroy those films, via money from those "no holds barred" credit card O campaign contributions from "overseas"?

/just sayin'

Hannity has said over and over again of which I agree 100%: "This is the election in which journalism died".

51 J.D.  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #49 HDrepub

Very much a calculated one, imho.

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:41:28am
53 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:42:15am

re: #45 victor_yugo

I have no problem believing YOU are that stupid.

This is Charles' site. If you want to post that discredited tripe, take it elsewhere.

I didn't know it had been posted before and/or discredited.

54 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #46 BrianA

need to change that nick?

No just being realistic, but I do notice it is after 12:00 so I might as well start drinking. Besides the Election to worry about, I am a Jet fan of sorts and will need to be drunk to get thru the afternoon in all likelihood.

55 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:42:52am

re: #50 Soona'

Hannity has said over and over again of which I agree 100%: "This is the election in which journalism died".

Journalism died the day Charles released the Smoking Memo.

56 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:43:25am

re: #8 itellu3times

So, will Dennis Ross last in the Obama camp?

Window dressing? So, "The One" can at least have the appearance of moderation?

57 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:43:27am

re: #27 ErislDysnomia

This issue needs to go away.

Obama is a skilled and talented Orator (So long as the Teleprompter is working). Any hypnosis that is taking place among the adoring multitudes feinting at his feet is self-hypnosis that is not uncommon in large crowds.

While his speech writers may know how to cunningly craft a phrase or two, they are not, and Obama is not using real NLP techniques. His off the cuff speaking style suggest that it would take him many years of practice to even begin to use NLP.

Obama is not a stage hypnotist.

Bringing this topic up over and over and over again just makes you and the rest of us look crazy and or stupid.

58 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:43:35am

re: #55 ErislDysnomia

Journalism died the day Charles released the Smoking Memo.

By that, I mean the weeks of inept journalism that followed harles' expose of Rather's puerile forgery.

59 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:09am

re: #57 Syrah

This issue needs to go away.

Obama is a skilled and talented Orator (So long as the Teleprompter is working). Any hypnosis that is taking place among the adoring multitudes feinting at his feet is self-hypnosis that is not uncommon in large crowds.

While his speech writers may know how to cunningly craft a phrase or two, they are not, and Obama is not using real NLP techniques. His off the cuff speaking style suggest that it would take him many years of practice to even begin to use NLP.

Obama is not a stage hypnotist.

Bringing this topic up over and over and over again just makes you and the rest of us look crazy and or stupid.

I repeat, I did not know it was brought up before!

60 BrianA  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:48am

re: #54 Nevergiveup

No just being realistic, but I do notice it is after 12:00 so I might as well start drinking. Besides the Election to worry about, I am a Jet fan of sorts and will need to be drunk to get thru the afternoon in all likelihood.

I was just poking some fun into what I have decided is going to be a rotten next 9 days.

61 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #40 Nevergiveup

None will take it seriously. The Obama supporters have become so adept at waving away such inconvenient distractions, that virtually NO story, speech, answer, question, allegation, proof, or logical expression of disbelief will penetrate or be heard at all.
It is ALL noise to them. Even if you were to sit across from them and draw diagrams, connect the dots, produce 8x10 glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each circle and arrow, they will wave it all away, and Hope for Change.

62 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:56am

O/T but I feel like saying it so here goes. Dear Mr. Barney Frank, I recently read your desire to cut 25% from the defense budget. I would like to know your proposal  for what the cut should affect.Should it come from upgrading humvees?Or body armor?Should we halt using GPS and laser guided weapons that reduce collateral damage? Should it come from training that helps our service people once they leave the military and enter civilian life? Should it come from the aid provided to earthquake victims in China,Pakistan and other natural disaster recovery efforts,like New Orleans?
Let us know Mr. Frank ,where the cost savings you desire will come from.

63 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:45:08am

re: #59 ErislDysnomia

Ok.

We will call it done.

64 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:45:15am

re: #39 ErislDysnomia

I have a hard time believing over half the American population is THAT stupid.

(If they are, then they deserve what they are going to get. It's just that WE don't).

I don;t think were' "that stupd". I do beleive we've become "that lazy" however (present company excluded)

Little things. We've become a microWave/ Drive Thru/ Instant gratification society. What Obama is proposing to the masses is just that
"We'll GIVE you this, we'll TAKE CARE OF that. Ley US do that for you"
Our frontier forefathers are weeping

65 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:45:32am
66 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:46:20am

re: #60 BrianA

I was just poking some fun into what I have decided is going to be a rotten next 9 days.

I know. I can still get drunk can't I?

67 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:00am

re: #62 n in wi

Let us know Mr. Frank ,where the cost savings you desire will come from.

He will undoubtedly pick the most damaging elements for cost cutting. Of that be assured.

68 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:01am

re: #48 Nevergiveup

Well when Chicago, NYC, or LA disappears the MSM might be forced to take notice?

Please. If O wins, those papers will be infused generously with government cash.

69 J.D.  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:04am

Anyone know who Obama would have for sec of state?

70 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:57am

re: #69 J.D.

Anyone know who Obama would have for sec of state?

lets see,,, now that Arafat is dead ,.,,,,, ummm,,,

71 opinionated  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:57am

Israel is going to elect a new PM possibly just in time for an Obama Presidency.

If Livni and the Left win, Israel will concede itself to non existence.

If Israeli voters show any common sense- and elect Likud- there will be a confrontation between a Right leaning Israeli Government and a Leftist terrorist supporting Obama Administration that will permanently damage the American Israel relationship.

In other words, if Obama is President, Israel losses no matter who they elect.

Come to think of it, if Obama is elected, Americans are the first losers.

Very dark days ahead. You can call it "change".

72 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:48:08am

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Obama's success is not due to "hypnosis," but to Hip Gnosis.

Allright allright I say UNCLE!

I did not know that piece was posted before, I just became aware of it. I can't be everywhere all the time!

73 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #69 J.D.

Anyone know who Obama would have for sec of state?

Kerry.

74 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:48:54am

re: #61 Jimash

None will take it seriously. The Obama supporters have become so adept at waving away such inconvenient distractions, that virtually NO story, speech, answer, question, allegation, proof, or logical expression of disbelief will penetrate or be heard at all.
It is ALL noise to them. Even if you were to sit across from them and draw diagrams, connect the dots, produce 8x10 glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each circle and arrow, they will wave it all away, and Hope for Change.

I Know I know. I was at a Funeral the other day. Most were Obama supporters. I had to control myself since it would have been inappropriate under the circumstances and i was also in Uniform. But it was depressing to hear. Only a few other sane people there.

75 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:49:26am

re: #26 Pullus Iulius

The reason all of his friends are connected to such reprehensible words and actions, while 0 remains comparatively smooth and shiny is exactly because 0 has said and done so little of note or worth. 0 is a cipher. A nothing. But who operates the strings of the empty-suited puppet? Hmmm...

So little - so new - so sheeny.
and SO Teflon. Hillery - although I would not vote for her has a record.
Accomplishment or not depending on how you feel, and I believe not - once she moved to the the center the left wing wackos threw her under the bus
McCain has a history and he is not - by much - shifting it.
O has nothing to get a hold of. I have to think this is the only way the Dems hope to win. No money scandal, none that can be proved. What is couple of mill in pork barrel when billions are wasted every year. No history of votes, did not vote; no sex scandals.
Teflon so far.
Now how he got past Rev Wright is mind boggling - oh thats right he went there 20 years but never listened.
/takes me back to my Catholic school grammar years

76 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:49:46am

re: #70 sattv4u2

lets see,,, now that Arafat is dead ,.,,,,, ummm,,,

Abbas is gonna outta of job in by January?

77 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:50:13am

OK, so is there any way that the LA Times can be legally made to produce this video?

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:50:34am

That 0bama has so many questionable associates isn't the only thing I find troubling. It's troubling that so many of these people are attracted to him.

In keeping these associates, I question 0bama's judgment. That these people are attracted to him makes me question 0bama's ideology.

79 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:51:33am

Well y'all I have to say that Mr. Ross is either deluding himself or a flat out liar. As I mentioned in my #16 above, if he truly believes that - except for Iraq - the US has not been engaged in the Middle East, then he has either been asleep or, and I think this is more likely, is believing what he HOPES an Obama Presidency will bring. Hence, deluding himself.
But really, how can we blame him when we see Israeli's spouting the same sort of nonsense about peace through negotiations? You simply cannot negotiate with people who's sole, UNIFYING belief is that Israel should be destroyed, preferably with all the Jews in the world as well, but at least Israel as a nation should cease to exist.
I suspect that when Mr. Ross speaks at Synagogues here in the U.S., he is preaching to the choir (so to speak!). That American Jews are, if the polls can believed about ANYTHING at all) going to continue voting Democratic - even with a not-so-closeted enemy of Israel at the top of the Democratic Ticket is more than depressing; it's perplexing as well.

80 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:52:54am

re: #49 HDrepub

Obama is like Al Gore in the sense that whatever promotes Obama is what he goes for. When people are no longer useful they are thrown under the bus.

Al Gore believes that most people are stupid and buy into his crap - I lost a keyboard with his "The planet has a fevah" schtick. I'm beginning to think that Zero and his enablers believe the same thing about people.

81 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:52:58am

re: #72 ErislDysnomia

Allright allright I say UNCLE!

I did not know that piece was posted before, I just became aware of it. I can't be everywhere all the time!

It's not that it's been posted before- it's that it crap.

82 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:53:51am

re: #78 Sharmuta

Good morning Sharmuta. Did you see this NRO piece?

"Yes, Ayers is blunter than Obama. As he so delicately told the Times, America makes him “want to puke.” The smoother Obama is content to say our society needs fundamental “change.” But what they’re talking about is not materially different."


[Link: article.nationalre-+--+c4YzdhMDBkZGQ3ZmU2MTUzYjdkM zc5ZjUzYmViZWM=...]

83 Nevergiveup  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #79 realwest

I get the impression he mostly speaks at reformed or left of right conservative synagogues.

84 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:53:59am

re: #79 realwest

That American Jews are, if the polls can believed about ANYTHING at all) going to continue voting Democratic - even with a not-so-closeted enemy of Israel at the top of the Democratic Ticket is more than depressing; it's perplexing as well.

Not at all. My elderly Jewish relatives (lifetime Dems) have all switched to Republican.

What made the difference?

INFORMATION.

I repeat, the MSM is the root cause of the problem. A republic cannot function without a free press, or with a free press that has its own agenda. If the sources of information to the majority are tainted, the results are not quixotic at all.

85 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:54:54am

Sorry messed up the link:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:56:00am
87 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:56:14am

re: #61 Jimash

None will take it seriously. The Obama supporters have become so adept at waving away such inconvenient distractions, that virtually NO story, speech, answer, question, allegation, proof, or logical expression of disbelief will penetrate or be heard at all.
It is ALL noise to them. Even if you were to sit across from them and draw diagrams, connect the dots, produce 8x10 glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each circle and arrow, they will wave it all away, and Hope for Change.

In general, the left has been far better than us at controlling the perceptions of the American people. How they went from being the party of slavery, Jim Crow laws, Kleagle Byrd, George Wallace and a host of others to the 'champions' of blacks is an impressive (yet disgusting) feat.

88 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:56:31am

McCain supporters fight back against In-The-Tank-For-Obama media.

Listen to the questions the media guy is asking. Unbelievable.

89 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:56:47am

Off topic but not really, check out today's Doonesbury cartoon. Sunday Doonesbury October 26,2008Clearly an attack on Joe the Plumber. The level of personal venom coming from the left, and directed at just ordinary people who have the audacity to challenge the Left, is sobering. Attacking the main players for their policies---that's to be expected in politics. Attacking them for their morals? It's nothing new. Attacking a man for the friends he keeps? (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, Tony Rezko, ...) Fair game.


But this?

How exactly do you manage to not be anti-American if all your closest associates, all your players, all your team, hates, with passionate intensity, a good half the nation?

90 opinionated  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:57:30am

There is a piece in the Jerusalem Post that chronicles Obama's relationship with some Jews and how they advanced in career. It is mentioned that they have guided him on how to appear sympathetic to Israel.

But. Also cited is a Jewish neighbor of his with who he had personal discussions about Israel. The neighbor states that Obama felt the US was too pro- Israel.

TO HENRY GENDLER, Crown's description of Obama's sympathy for the Palestinians rings true, but not much else when it comes to assessing the Democratic presidential nominee's stance toward Israel.

Gendler, a German-Jewish immigrant, lived next door to Obama in Hyde Park for 10 years before he moved across the street from KAM Isaiah Israel. A member of the Republican Jewish Coalition, he frequently chatted about politics with Obama when they ran into each other outside.

Neighbors rather than friends, Gendler suspects that if Obama were told his name, he wouldn't have "a clue" who he was, but "if you tell him about the chubby guy with the German accent who was his neighbor in East View Park, that could trigger his memory, because my accent is pretty strong."

Normally, Gendler recalls, Obama would be happy to stand in front of the building and talk but "when it came to Israel, it was not like that." Instead, he says, "when Israel started to become the topic, he became very cold. He always told me that we need a more 'balanced' approach, which in America is a code word for being too pro-Israel."

Yet he can point to no specific policy points or comments that Obama made to flesh out that attitude. "He would refuse to talk more about it, [but] he gave me the impression that we were far too pro-Israel."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

91 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:58:21am

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Obama's success is not due to "hypnosis," but to Hip Gnosis.

Those fingers in my hair...

92 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:59:09am

re: #49 HDrepub
But Obama looks so much better on camera then Gore did.
And he sounds sincere. Gore always looked like he was lying. Obama always looks like he means it and is not lying.

\change you cannot trust

93 dave in NC  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:59:25am

"Well when Chicago, NYC, or LA disappears the MSM might be forced to take notice?"

We're going to give them to them, why would they blow the cities up?

94 dhg4  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:00:13am

Charles,

Are you sure that Ross was a founder of the Washington Institute? I thought that Robert Satloff founded it. Satloff doesn't identify the other individuals who were involved.

David

95 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:00:21am

re: #75 LindaMarie
Hi LindaMarie - well first of all he got past Jeremiah Wright because a) the MSM gave him a pass and b) McCain himself declared that Wright was off the table as a topic to be discussed when talking about Obama.
And there IS a "money scandal" to which Obama can be tied - and although McCain gave it a passing mention, it does deserve a lot more attention: Obama first agreed to take Public Financing and then reneged on that pledge. The first presidential candidate to not take Public Funding in 20 some odd years.
Then there is the question of the thousands of donations made either through fraudulent credit card use here or from "Americans" living overseas.
Obama has raised, iirc, someting close to a BILLION dollars in his run up with Hillary and since with his fight against McCain. As is obvious from the TV ad's alone, that money may very well buy him the Presidency of the United States. And, of course, there is ACORN - a group which is being investigated in over 10 states for fraudulently registering non-voters as voters and mostly in the battleground states and Obama was instrumental in ACORN getting over $800,000 with which to carry on it's nefarious work.
Oh yes, there is plenty about which Obama needs to answer when it comes to money.

96 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:00:33am

When it comes to leaders in the Arab and Muslim worlds, it is always advisable to see what they are saying in their own language. Were it not for the language barrier they would look more hypocritcal than our own politicians speaking to different constituencies. That this difference is not reported is a shame and tends to perpetuate a lot of wishful thinking in the West.

-S-

97 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:00:39am

re: #69 J.D.

Anyone know who Obama would have for sec of state?

Rose Bridges ? (Someone else who lives in the neighborhood, who he knew ...who openly declared war on the US, but that was soooo long ago, when BHO was a pre-teen being mentored and whatever by Frank.)

98 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:01:50am

re: #77 ErislDysnomia

OK, so is there any way that the LA Times can be legally made to produce this video?

Hey you - get back on the comfy couch for the rest of your timeout.

99 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:01:51am

re: #85 jaunte

Good morning, Jaunte. I'll check it out- thanks for bringing it to my attention.

100 jester6  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:16am

re: #39 ErislDysnomia

I have a hard time believing over half the American population is THAT stupid.

I have been having a hard time rationalizing Obama's support. I don't think people are stupid. I have come to realize Obama' s vast popularity is entirely predictable given what most conservatives believe about human nature.

Thinking conservatives often talk about "moral hazards". An example would be a government handout can causing otherwise good, intelligent and hardworking people to be a little lazier.

While conservatives are focusing on Obama's individual policy positions as moral hazards they seem unable even grasp the larger problem. Obama's entire message is what I would call a meta-moral-hazard.

Obama is offering to fix everyone's problem with no cost or pain to anyone except "the rich" Of course it is not possible. Of course it will cause great damage to our society. But otherwise good, intelligent and hardworking people are falling for it. Only this time it is not just the audience a program is aimed at. This time it is the entire populace.

101 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:24am

re: #88 rightymouse

McCain supporters fight back against In-The-Tank-For-Obama media.

It's about time.

102 dave in NC  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:48am

re: #79 realwest
I'm not a Jew; as a Christian, I don't vote for anti-Christian candidates.

Why vote for someone who's against you for being what you are?

103 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:57am

re: #94 dhg4

Charles,

Are you sure that Ross was a founder of the Washington Institute? I thought that Robert Satloff founded it. Satloff doesn't identify the other individuals who were involved.

David

Right - I wrote too fast. Ross is the director, not the founder. Thanks for pointing it out - I've corrected it.

104 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:03:10am

re: #90 opinionated

There is a piece in the Jerusalem Post that chronicles Obama's relationship with some Jews and how they advanced in career. It is mentioned that they have guided him on how to appear sympathetic to Israel.

But. Also cited is a Jewish neighbor of his with who he had personal discussions about Israel. The neighbor states that Obama felt the US was too pro- Israel.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Obama weasels most skillfully. I saw his very forceful statement on TV when he was speaking to AIPAC, IIRC, where he said he was in favor of an 'undivided Jerusalem as capitol of Israel', followed the next day by a very tiny print statement from a staffer that essentially said 'as long as the Palis agree to it'.

He skilled. He's a commie rat bastard, but he's skilled.

105 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:03:36am

A deluge of ignorance and hatred from the kids at Fark.com (lots of hits coming from there this morning...):

[Link: forums.fark.com...]

106 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:03:52am

re: #100 jester6

Obama's entire message is what I would call a meta-moral-hazard.


Meta-moral hazard. How intriguing.

Perhaps this is a lesson that history tells us. It may explain why a lot of very bad leaders were popular in the beginning.

107 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #99 Sharmuta

Not a lot of new info, but he ties it together well:

"Precisely because they shared the same views, Obama and Ayers also worked comfortably together on the board of the Woods Fund. There, they doled out thousands of dollars to Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity Church to promote its Marxist “black liberation theology.” Moreover, they underwrote the Arab American Action Network (AAAN) founded by Rashid Khalidi, a top apologist for Yasser Arafat. As National Review’s David Pryce-Jones notes, Khalidi once directed WAFA, the terrorist PLO’s news agency. Then, like Ayers, he repackaged himself as an academic who rails at American policy. The AAAN, which supports driver’s licenses and public welfare benefits for illegal aliens, holds that the establishment of Israel was an illegitimate “catastrophe.”

Khalidi, who regards Israel as a “racist” “apartheid” state, supports Palestinian terror strikes against Israeli military targets. It’s little surprise that he should be such a favorite of Ayers, the terrorist for whom “racism” and “apartheid” trip off the tongue as easily as “pass the salt.”

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

108 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:04:34am

re: #101 ErislDysnomia

It's about time.

Dang straight. They were totally in the face of the media hacks and I loved it.

109 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:04:53am

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
Hi buzz! "but there was a small segment in attendance from my Orthodox congregation which clearly relished seeing Ross's feet being held to the fire."
Ah, but don't you see it's that phrase "small segment" that bothers me so much.
I simply find it so difficult to believe that American Jews are still apparently going to vote 66% or so for Obama - true to their historical Democratic voting patterns.
And it is perplexing: it's not a question of not having sufficient information about Obama, it's almost as if they don't care about Israel's security.

110 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:05:58am

re: #98 debutaunt

Hey you - get back on the comfy couch for the rest of your timeout.

I'm a person of action. I hate when people say "it can't be done." (remember that scene from Herman Wouk's "War and Remembrance" TV movie where Roosevelt stands?)

111 jester6  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:06:18am

re: #97 abolitionist

Bringing unrepentant radicals into left-wing governments is all the rage. IIRC Dominique de Villepin, former French PM, once boasted that he beat a police officer to an inch of his life during a riot in the 1970s.

112 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:07:16am
113 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:07:58am

re: #95 realwest

I stand corrected. None of this is emphasized in the press.
Makes me sad but I still have hope he will not be elected.
Good hope actually, not great but good. That is the best this day could offer for hope.

114 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:08:42am

re: #105 Charles

A deluge of ignorance and hatred from the kids at Fark.com (lots of hits coming from there this morning...):

[Link: forums.fark.com...]

Like whacking a nest of hornets.
Really ignorant, blind hornets.

115 dhg4  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:08:43am

re: #8 itellu3times

So, will Dennis Ross last in the Obama camp?

Of course he will. He's actively campaigning for the spot of Secretary of State.

He believes the same thing that Sen. Obama does: that in order for there to be peace, Israel needs to improve its concessions to the PA. Not even Camp David has disabused him of this notion.

More from Mere Rhetoric, who concludes:

I can't be kind about this any more. Anybody who pretends that Obama will be anything but a disaster for the US-Israel alliance is either an idiot or in breathtaking willful denial. And Dennis Ross is not an idiot.
116 opinionated  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:08:44am

re: #78 Sharmuta

That 0bama has so many questionable associates isn't the only thing I find troubling. It's troubling that so many of these people are attracted to him.

You might have it backwards.

The most despicable of his associates, those he has had for a long time, and at whose knees he had absorbed ideology, are older then him.

He has sought to be associated with them first.

As he has said, he is who they have been waiting for. He is their legacy come to power.

When Ayers bombed it was because he believed that at the end of his campaign America will go down a road that begins with electing someone like Obama.

117 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:10:52am

re: #109 realwest


Family and clan perhaps?

ducking under the desk

118 jester6  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:11:18am

re: #106 ErislDysnomia

At the very least the concept of a meta-moral-hazard helps me avoid the cognitive dissonance I have been feeling lately. It's pretty hard to believe both "most people are rational" and "most people seem to support Obama".

119 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:11:55am

re: #102 dave in NC
Well first of all it's nice to meet another North Carolinian out here! I'm from the Charlotte area myself. You?
Secondly, I'm a Christian and have always been a rabid supporter of Israel - we not only share the Judeo-Christian school of thought with them, but Israel is the ONLY working democracy in the Middle East. And she has always been our ally in the ME, doing some of the dangerous, dirty stuff which, while in Israel's interest, was also in the US's interest and in some cases where the US was better situated to act.
I take TRUE allies and friends support and very existence very much to heart. I have NO IDEA why I support Israel not only more than some American Jews, but, apparently, some Israeli's as well!

120 opinionated  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:13:26am

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

They say we Jews tend to repeat history again and again.

In the late 30's my grandfather would attempt to warn his neighbors about Hitler. In most instances they were unresponsive. The warnings seem too alarmist.

121 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:13:43am

re: #118 jester6

At the very least the concept of a meta-moral-hazard helps me avoid the cognitive dissonance I have been feeling lately. It's pretty hard to believe both "most people are rational" and "most people seem to support Obama".

I argue that most people are rational when they're not being manipulated by devious and domineering forces. Example: the MSM, which (unfortunately) is still the primary source of news about the world for most Americans.

122 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #119 realwest

"I have NO IDEA why I support Israel not only more than some American Jews..."
I have to say as a supporter of working democracies, I share that feeling of puzzlement. Some of my friends seem to wish the whole problem would just go away and stop bothering them.

123 dave in NC  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:17:40am

re: #119 realwest
From Durham. Liberal triangle area, next door to the People's Republic of Chapel Hill.

I'm Roman Catholic; the Jews are our eldre brothers, as John Paul II said. I look at what Israel has done with the desert in 60 yrs., then at what otheres have done over 1300 yrs. You're right, Israel has done much of the heavy lifting foir us.

124 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:18:11am

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey


But the Jews who kid themselves in this way do not realize that at least 50% of the American electorate grew up well after 1967--and have therefore never read anything positive about Israel in the mainstream press. They will have never read anything positive about Israel at all unless they are from an evangelical pro-Israel background.

I disagree - I did not need to read anything positve about Jews - and I grew up after 1969 -my Jewish freinds are good people.

125 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #105 Charles
ROFL! I loved the comment that it (the story) was from April 10, 2008 so how can it be relevent now?
Well if April 10th of THIS YEAR isn't relevent, then how come the LA Times won't release the tape?
Thanks for linking to that, it was good for a few chuckles!

126 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:21:54am
127 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:26:59am
128 Opinionated  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:27:45am

re: #122 jaunte

"I have NO IDEA why I support Israel not only more than some American Jews..."
I have to say as a supporter of working democracies, I share that feeling of puzzlement. Some of my friends seem to wish the whole problem would just go away and stop bothering them.

When you are under constant attack, you -particularly if you are weak- just want to make it stop.

Israel is always in the news and in most instances negatively. Where some Jews believe it reflects badly on them, and where they really have no stake in the day lives of Israelis, they just want it to stop.

And the way they think it would stop is if Israel would make peace.

That the other side is not interested in peace is somehow lost in the calculations.

129 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:27:59am
130 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:28:53am

re: #118 jester6

At the very least the concept of a meta-moral-hazard helps me avoid the cognitive dissonance I have been feeling lately. It's pretty hard to believe both "most people are rational" and "most people seem to support Obama".

Most people = the liberal press. Not true.
Now why is the press so behind the left liberal ultra-extremists?
What is their gain? Money ? Power ?
It sure won't be Social Security if Obama wins.
I can't even figure out why. Tenure in colleges?
Must be the power. They delude themselves if they think that electing Obama will bring them money unless he can classify liberals vs the conservatives and base taxes on that

131 realwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:29:01am

re: #113 LindaMarie
Please, sit down! LOL! Yes I know very little of this has been covered in the MSM, but quite candidly, I do think John McCain should have made much more of an issue about this, about the idea that you can buy America (or at least it's voters) with enough money to run enough ad's and a full hour (or two 30 minute segments, still not sure which) in Prime Time to lie and speak barely passable truth* to the American People. John shoulda hammered him on this in the last debate (where he at least raised the issue of Obama's reneging on his promise to take Public Finiancing) and should have ads out NOW saying the same thing I just said (well, hopefully saying much better than I did).
*barely passable truth = for example, saying no higher taxes except for those who are making $250,000 a year or more without mentioning how that would affect small businesses; for allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to lapse, thereby causing everyone making over $45,000 a year to pay higher taxes - wasn't a lie, Obama isn't raising taxes on those making $45,000 a year or more, he's simply not going to continue to allow them to pay less taxes.
Should the MSM have covered this? Is the concept of raising taxes when you are in a recession or depression a good idea?
We all know the answer to those questions.

132 Dayenu  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:29:31am

re: #39 ErislDysnomia

Well, I'll tell ya. I'm Jewish, and though I really can't see peace happening with the Palestinians, the alternative is so horrible (endless war? They'll keep fighting until they destroy us? The only solution may be Kahane's or Joshua's?) that even I don't know what the heck to do. Except for Jews to tighten their belts, keep the IDF strong, and hope Obama doesn't become president and end the American/Israel relationship. I'm starting to have nightmares of an Obama victory...

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:29:38am
134 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #128 Opinionated

You're right; my friends have a hard time looking clearly at the people they wish would make peace.

135 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:30:28am

That's not the Rashid Khalidi I knew ...

136 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:32:28am
137 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:34:57am

re: #129 ploome hineni

You are right - I make no distincition between them - they are one and the same and Jewish people also live all over the world.
Like all religions and races, the good people are welcome at my home.
The small percentage of bad are not.

138 jester6  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:35:16am

re: #130 LindaMarie

I think it is fair to say Obama is going to get at least 40% of the vote. The true believers in the media and academia do not account for 40% of the population. That means 40% of the population supports him. I simply cannot believe 40% of the population would knowingly do something that is against their own self interest.

And if you believe 40% of the population would knowingly do something against their own self interest you just accepted a major premise of modern liberalism - the idea that people need some higher authority to protect them from themselves.

139 LindaMarie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #131 realwest

I am sitting down it is 10 PM here.
I guess I am the (mostly) eternal optimist. And I would not change that even if I could. Mostly eternal means you often win and mostly means if you don't there is no need to get out the razor or the rat poison.
Naive - no. The choice I have made it to live on the positive side and go day by day.

140 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:10:39am

re: #78 Sharmuta

That 0bama has so many questionable associates isn't the only thing I find troubling. It's troubling that so many of these people are attracted to him.

In keeping these associates, I question 0bama's judgment. That these people are attracted to him makes me question 0bama's ideology.

OBAMA IS EITHER A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT OR A OPPORTUNIST personally I think he a bit of both. With a lot of poor judgment as well.

this statement about ayers and b. doran say it better than i can but questions the judgment of obama at the least and if he agrees with him even more of a problem.
It's almost certain that Dohrn killed McDonnell, with a bomb assembled by Ayers. The Weatherman nucleus was enraged at the way the cops had fought back at their "Days of Rage" rampage a few months earlier, as well as the trouncing they received at the DNC convention the year before. How dare the "pigs" beat up on these privileged, self-centered and self-appointed saviors of the world? How dare they meet force with force?
It seems to me the original bombing campaign was targeted to kill as many policemen and soldiers as possible, but when faced with the reality of actually having murdered, and then with their fellow psychopaths dying spectacularly by their own hand, they came face to face with the very real possibility of facing a death sentence or life imprisonment for their crimes. These egotists were dilettantes playing at being revolutionaries, cowards who had no intention of sacrificing their lives or their futures for the revolution.

So they launched a bombing campaign designed to emphasize the fact that they warned their potential victims in advance, repeating that mantra for over five years, until the media robotically repeated the fact that "they never killed anyone."

But they have, and to this day, Dohrn is edgy about it, because there are people out there who know the truth. People who have as much to lose as she by talking (Ayers) or those who have been silenced by intimidation and/or the sure knowledge that the media will make their lives hell for coming forward.

141 armaros  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:23:28am

I m just watching the Khalidi Lecture here:

"Alternatives to American Primacy"


Not done yet.....have a look ...I will need to get to work ....

142 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:30:26am

Breaking news: DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) - Syria's state-run television and witnesses say U.S. military helicopters have attacked an area along the country's border with Iraq, causing casualties [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

143 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:43:55am

re: #114 Van Helsing

Like whacking a nest of hornets.
Really ignorant, blind hornets.

With no stingers.

A whacking nest of ignorant, blind, dickless hornets.

144 Promethea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 12:15:47pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Ross did not like it one little bit when I asked him a question that suggested his dreams of peace were delusional.

About 2/3 of the audience--those from the unaffiliated Jews or Jews from more "liberal" synagogues in the neighborhood--were clearly discomfited when I called Mr. Ross on the carpet, but there was a small segment in attendance from my Orthodox congregation which clearly relished seeing Ross's feet being held to the fire.

I'm afraid it's sad but true that most of what passes for Amerian Judaism is "liberalism" with a bit of Hebrew and minor key singing thrown in for sentimental reasons. I say this as one who attends only Reform or Conservative services. I have never attended an Orthodox service.

I'll probably be dinged down for my views, but I believe that American Judaism is doomed (except for the Orthodox). The Jews I know are simply unable to put on their thinking caps and actually look at the two candidates. Their minds are closed and sealed shut with gorrilla glue.

Given the rate of intermarriage among Jews today, the Jewish populations is going to shrink rapidly in the next twenty years. Only the Orthodox will remain, plus a few Kumbaya synagogues with "Nuclear Free Zone" signs set up outside to show how earnest they are and what fine people they are.

145 Taqiyyotomist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 1:18:18pm
"By God, I say that... "

Whenever a "journalist" translates a Muslim saying something like that, and the quote is reprinted, I believe that a (sic) should be inserted after "God". Allah is a proper name, and should never be translated. I won't hold my breath.


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