Good, lets keep the ball rolling

The way these polls are weighted in Barry's favor, for all we really know, McCain could be ahead.

w00t!

This probably means that in reality land, McCain is up by 5. LOL

I've decided to wait until Nov 4th before giving up.
McCain/Palin 2008

This weekend and next - Work hard and Pray harder.

-S-

The guy spends what, 700 million bucks, and the polls are this close? Not a good return on investment if you ask me.

Anyone want to start a prayer circle?

I will vomit at the finish line, but until then, I cannot see this country part of the new Obamunism

re: #8 jemima

Anyone want to start a prayer circle?

I keep the Lizard Prayer List, and this election is one of the items. I'll be glad to be part of a prayer circle, too.

2 more McCain/Palin votes mailed in from the Pacific Moonbat Northwest. Mr. & Mrs. CynicalConservative

Already voted...don't anyone miss doing it.

A hopeful take on the polls, via HillBuzz:

I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

Anyway, her companies conclusion is that the election will come down to Colorado, New Hampshire and the Republican leaning district in Maine, which in her opinion might very well decide the Presidency (apparently the district in Nebraska that Obama thought he might be able to get is now off the table). She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.

[Link: virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com...]

re: #7 Macker

The guy spends what, 700 million bucks, and the polls are this close? Not a good return on investment if you ask me.

If he wins the donors want something in return and if he loses, the next black presidential candidate will be republican and win.

re: #12 J.D.

And don't let those you know miss it either.

I don't trust polls (especially in THIS election), but overall they've been looking pro-McCain for weeks and weeks.

re: #11 CynicalConservative

2 more McCain/Palin votes mailed in from the Pacific Moonbat Northwest. Mr. & Mrs. CynicalConservative

My 2 daughters have already mailed in their absentee ballots for NJ for McCain/Palin.

hmmm

re: #13 neocon hippie

Polls are for Pollsters. Elections are for voters.

re: #10 goddessoftheclassroom

I keep the Lizard Prayer List, and this election is one of the items. I'll be glad to be part of a prayer circle, too.

Mine

Heard that Va has been rejecting absentee military voters. Pretty damned disgusting to to that to our military members.

i'm counting on patriotic americans to see thru the O bs.

God, I hope so...

Obama's lead has dropped over the last three days after hitting a high of 12 points on Thursday.

0bama has dropped 7 points in 3 days. That's painful for any campaign.

re: #13 neocon hippie

She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.

Maybe. But Michael Barone pointed out something interesting about that poll this morning on Fox - they had 70% of under-25-years cohort going for McCain - which Barone finds unlikely.

re: #21 Perplexed

Heard that Va has been rejecting absentee military voters. Pretty damned disgusting to to that to our military members.

Really?!
Link?
On the surface of it, that sounds hard to believe.

re: #7 Macker

The guy spends what, 700 million bucks, and the polls are this close? Not a good return on investment if you ask me.

Reminds me of a saying by my favorite President:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

He has about 45% of this country fooled.....he just cannot get past the 55% that think he's full of crap

re: #21 Perplexed

Heard that Va has been rejecting absentee military voters. Pretty damned disgusting to to that to our military members.

So is gutting the Military spending by 25% like Barney "running a male escort center outa my basement" Frank wants to do!

I'm hoping i have any friends left after this election

re: #5 unrealizedviewpoint

I've decided to wait until Nov 4th before giving up.
McCain/Palin 2008

Don't do it. The battle for the next election starts Nov 4th...and why not...the campaigns will.

With all of this fluctuation, I am not a believer of any of the polls.

re: #21 Perplexed

Heard that Va has been rejecting absentee military voters. Pretty damned disgusting to to that to our military members.

Pretty damned typical democrat behavior though.....

Geez, Charles. Moving right along are'nt we.

re: #22 nyc redneck

i'm counting on patriotic americans to see thru the O bs.

I sure as hell hope there's enough of us to counterbalance the fraudulent voting that is undoubtedly going on......

re: #29 willowone

I'm hoping i have any friends left after this election

I don't have that problem. I lost most of mine a few elections ago.

re: #23 NYCHardhat

God, I hope so...

got an extra http in your linky...

God, I hope so...

Fixed

Karl Rove said this AM on Fox News Sunday that there have been like 3 times the number of polls in this last month compared to 2004. There must be some money in it somewhere.

re: #29 willowone

I'm hoping i have any friends left after this election

We'll be here {willowone}

The polls could have McCain up and still I would say they are fertilizer. There is only one poll that matters and that is one one to be conducted on November 4th. And I ain't talking about the exit polling either.

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Really?!
Link?
On the surface of it, that sounds hard to believe.

Google is our friend.

re: #21 Perplexed

Heard that Va has been rejecting absentee military voters. Pretty damned disgusting to to that to our military members.

If we were rejecting the ballots of felons, illegal aliens, imaginary characters and the dead, we would be hearing screams and howls from the dems. But, hey, this is just military people, what do they know? They are probably "ordered" to vote for McCain anyway, right?

/

re: #29 willowone

I'll be your friend. I won't be your comrade.

I wonder if members of the military are ever polled. aren't there millions of them?

re: #35 Nevergiveup

Lost many in 2004 here. Now they are totally insulted i wouldn't return .

The only poll that matters is on November 4th. Get out there and vote.

re: #37 BrianA

Soros, foreigners who didn't get all they wanted to from the Clintons, and out and out fraud.

re: #30 rightwinger3

Don't do it. The battle for the next election starts Nov 4th...and why not...the campaigns will.

For one candidate her race re-started the minute the convention vote was confirmed.

re: #36 CynicalConservative

Thank you. I'm still learning my way around.

re: #31 NYCHardhat

With all of this fluctuation, I am not a believer of any of the polls.

Me neither.

I really can't wait to see that "What the hell happened?!?" look on Obama's face next week.

McCain/Palin '08

re: #31 NYCHardhat

With all of this fluctuation, I am not a believer of any of the polls.

But if you compare one pollster's poll to their other polls using the same method, then this is significant. 0bama's dropping points in this poll from the last one they took by a rate of 2.3 a day.

re: #43 spacejesus

I wonder if members of the military are ever polled. aren't there millions of them?

Just the other day. 2/3 for McCain. If you eliminate the Afro-American Military it is closer to 80% for McCain.

The Chosen One has vanished from the public eye. No doubt trying to avoid any further unpleasant encounters with the unwashed masses like Joe Wurzelbacher. Look for nothing but very tightly controlled appearances for the next week, with pre-selected audience members.

We've already heard from a randomly-selected member of the public that Obama doesn't believe in the American Dream, and wants to "spread the wealth around." Don't look for him to provide any opportunities for someone to question, say, his support for long-time American allies like Israel dovetails with his long, intimate relationship with folks like Ayers, Khalidi, Wright and others.

It would behoove the Right to demand a better explanation of such associations than "I was just in the same neighborhood." This falls rather flat when the same sort of players keep turning up over and over and over again, as those "chance" meetings take place again and again and again, with the same people and always revolving around the same themes.

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yes, I think we should wait for that final poll on Nov. 4th.

Just looking at the polls this year....they are all over the place. Up 10 points one day, tied the next....As far as I can tell, the only thing the pollsters know is they don't know who is winning.....

re: #38 pre-Boomer Marine brat
ty, It's been a rough election for many. and i hope many of us will be able to heal (gak that work), our relationships between /with our fellow Americans.

re: #43 spacejesus

I wonder if members of the military are ever polled. aren't there millions of them?

Yes they have been polled, and they are 75% pro McCain.... Which obviously explains why the dem's are trying to disenfranchise them.

re: #56 willowone
word*

Translation ; MacCain is ahead .
Does any one else see a parallel between Wardrobe gate and the Medieval Sumptuary laws ?
"A commoner has dared to approach the nobles as an equal ."
//

re: #25 wahabicorridor

LOL. What's so unlikely about it? Some of those younger kids have a brain?

re: #51 Sharmuta

But if you compare one pollster's poll to their other polls using the same method, then this is significant. 0bama's dropping points in this poll from the last one they took by a rate of 2.3 a day.

The only significant thing that I see is that pollsters have no clue and so are pulling data out of their collective asses.

re: #57 doriangrey

You would think they would feel shame.

And another thing - I smell a big difference between the publicly announced polls and what the candidtates internal polls are apparently showing. Rendell is as nervous as a cat on hot coals and McCain/Palin is awfully upbeat. So what are those internals showing and why are they so (apparently) different?

You've also got to factor in the 5% LMMOB into account...the Liberal Media Margin of Bullshit.

McCain might be in the lead

re: #56 willowone

ty, It's been a rough election for many. and i hope many of us will be able to heal (gak that work), our relationships between /with our fellow Americans.

I really don't want to. I will be very honest. I have a problem socializing with people who hate America. They are condescending and make fun of most things that are dear to my heart. Fuck em!

There's only one poll that really counts.

The honesty of the MSM is clearly an issue here.

re: #29 willowone

I'm looking forward to sending all my ex-friends this email after the election:

NO YOU CAN'T

Purely unscientific but...

I went to my brother's place yesterday in Covina, CA. He drove me through a couple of neighborhoods in his area.

No joke, for every Obama lawn sign we saw, there was at least 10 McCain/Palin ones surrounding them.

This is an almost royal blue state people.

re: #40 Perplexed

Google is our friend.

Thanks!

I'd like to dangle that jerk's chad.

/with Stinky around, not going to get more specific

re: #60 Cap'n DOC

Most of my college friends have bong resin for brains.

Nov. 4th is my Lizard Birthday. I'm hoping for a nice present from the American voters.

re: #56 willowone

ty, It's been a rough election for many. and i hope many of us will be able to heal (gak that work), our relationships between /with our fellow Americans.

I think the healing, if there is any, needs to come predominantly from the other side....and I won't hold my breath. They're the ones that have gone rabid, not us.

re: #57 doriangrey

Yes they have been polled, and they are 75% pro McCain.... Which obviously explains why the dem's are trying to disenfranchise them.

they were polled in a seperate military poll I assume. I wonder if their votes are counted in these mega nation-wide polls seeing as how many of them are overseas and such.

Why am i watching G-D save the queen on CBS?

They had Sen. Big-Ears up by about 20 kajillion before, didn't they? Up by five in Zogby almost puts Husseinovich into negative territory.

I think that Husseinovich's trip to Hawaii contributed to this. The charismatic leader needs to be in the public eye for a personality cult to work. I wonder why he went in the first place -- sick grandmother's birthday is today (Sunday), I have heard, so why did he go all the way there only to leave yesterday?

re: #65 Nevergiveup

I hear ya, i've lost alot of respect for many too.

re: #62 willowone

You would think they would feel shame.

democrats/liberals/socialists/communists are not capable of feeling shame or guilt. All they care about is winning, at any cost. Self respect, morals, ethics, dignity are concepts that they have sacrificed because they get in their way.

From the article:

McCain, 72, appeared slow to respond to Obama's financial message but in recent days has ramped up the economic themes of his own campaign

.

How is that for a slam. What a writer.

you know maybe...just maybe I'll live long enough to begin to understand this self-hating bullshit

wake up Jewish America

The only poll that matters is on November 4th. Get out there and vote.

I heartily second that. Even if things wind up going south - which seems less certain, thankfully, with each passing day - there's a vast difference between someone taking office with a 60%-40% margin versus a 51%-49% margin. Having Obama win will be bad enough; having him walk into office with a mandate will be far worse.

re: #73 SpaceJesus

they were polled in a seperate military poll I assume. I wonder if their votes are counted in these mega nation-wide polls seeing as how many of them are overseas and such.

I think the poll was from the Military times or something like that.

Dear America,

Please be aware that you are voting for the ENTIRE world.

Don't screw it up by electing a socialist to the White House.

Regards,

A Brition, who lives in peace because of the AMERICAN MILITARY MIGHT...

What happens to the MSM after this election since they jumped the shark this election?

re: #72 LGoPs

yes they have.

re: #56 willowone

ty, It's been a rough election for many. and i hope many of us will be able to heal (gak that work), our relationships between /with our fellow Americans.

I understand and agree, ... however, BOTH sides have to be willing, and I suspect that a certain some will not be.

re: #68 oh_dude

Purely unscientific but...

I went to my brother's place yesterday in Covina, CA. He drove me through a couple of neighborhoods in his area.

No joke, for every Obama lawn sign we saw, there was at least 10 McCain/Palin ones surrounding them.

This is an almost royal blue state people.

I have always wondered why what a person sees is considered unscientific as opposed to telephone polling. After all isn't direct observation one of the bedrock tenets of science? ;)

re: #65 Nevergiveup

I really don't want to. I will be very honest. I have a problem socializing with people who hate America. They are condescending and make fun of most things that are dear to my heart. Fuck em!

Yep. In 2004 election cycle I had friends who spent time in Europe - all of it bad mouthing and sneering at Bush - and sending me emails about it. I never saw them again - except to go to his funeral, which I felt was an obligation. I didn't lose them. They lost me.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS!

re: #79 uptight

you know maybe...just maybe I'll live long enough to begin to understand this self-hating bullshit

wake up Jewish America

I still believe in the privacy of the voting booth, that will change and will be closer to 60-40 for Obama or maybe even more for McCain in certain areas, but then I can't really believe that so many of my fellow Jews are really that suicidal?

re: #54 Desert Dog

Yes, I think we should wait for that final poll on Nov. 4th.

Just looking at the polls this year....they are all over the place. Up 10 points one day, tied the next....As far as I can tell, the only thing the pollsters know is they don't know who is winning.....

If the election turns out to be a no-brainer-wide-margin win for McCain, then the election will be over during the evening Nov 4th. If the margin is small, we may not know for some time. I have a feeling that the Dems are going to disrupt this process like we've never seen before.

re: #77 doriangrey

How's the mouth doing?
Healing fine, I hope.

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

Try closer to a billion dollars. He's spent $650 million since the convention, not counting the primaries--and he has spent more than both candidates, Bush and Kerry, spent in 2004 from primaries to election.

The Billion Dollar Candidate.

Yes, and the next Presidential election will be a +$2 Billion dollar affair. Both sides will have to get tons of cash in order to compete now. The public funding method used before was flawed, no doubt, but it kept the race from turning into what Obama has made it now. He has a clever financing scheme, but you would have to be very naive to think that a good portion of that money is not coming in from unknown or shady special interests. And they will want something in return. Thank you Senator Obama, your ego, ambition, vanity and drive to get this job has turned the Presidential race into a highest bidder affair now.

Of course, even if he spends that $1 Billion, he still might lose. And, that would be extremely funny.......

re: #66 The Other Les

There's only one poll that really counts.

The honesty of the MSM is clearly an issue here.

The honesty and impartiality of the MSM ceased being an issue for me a long time ago; they have none and are not.

re: #83 NYCHardhat

They won't change - I think we'll have a chance to see them not change !

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always wondered why what a person sees is considered unscientific as opposed to telephone polling. After all isn't direct observation one of the bedrock tenets of science? ;)

Eyes often lie. For example there may be voters who change out the signs to confuse their neighbors.

re: #82 buzzdroid

Dear America,

Please be aware that you are voting for the ENTIRE world.

Don't screw it up by electing a socialist to the White House.

Regards,

A Brition, who lives in peace because of the AMERICAN MILITARY MIGHT...

+1

Can you feeeeeeel the tolerance?

Free speech is only for Obama's brown shirts.

re: #91 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How's the mouth doing?
Healing fine, I hope.

Yup, doing pretty good, I might even re-learn to talk one of these days.... ;)

would it be indicative that they are giving a more balanced Poll # now, is that typical this close to election as these will be drawn out in 2012?

Dead heat

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

Zogby is one of the few I trust, but his partnering with reuters and c-span has made me question even his polls.

That being said- I'm sure Mr. Zogby is continuing to use the same methodology on every poll he's conducting. While I may question the methods, if it's being applied equally to every poll, then while the final numbers may be off, the result is still revealing. If the method has been applied the same as the last poll they conducted, you can't disagree that losing 7 points in 3 days is insignificant.

Now- if they changed their method over the last poll, then these numbers are meaningless. Considering it's Zogby, I'm going to assume the method has remained the same.

re: #80 SixDegrees

I heartily second that. Even if things wind up going south - which seems less certain, thankfully, with each passing day - there's a vast difference between someone taking office with a 60%-40% margin versus a 51%-49% margin. Having Obama win will be bad enough; having him walk into office with a mandate will be far worse.

Obama is so narcissistic that no matter what the percentages He will declare it a Mandate. He is The One©.

re: #97 FrogMarch
ugh.

re: #81 Nevergiveup

I think the poll was from the Military times or something like that.

I'm just gonna assume that if the military was properly factored in, that might give mccain a 1-2 percent edge in these AP/Zogby/Gallup polls. Enough to make it pretty close if not a dead heat.

In the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll, Barack Obama’s lead over John McCain has dropped to 5 points.

Why is it that I have about as much faith in polls as I have in Dan Rather's TANG memos?

re: #97 FrogMarch

Can you feeeeeeel the tolerance?

Free speech is only for Obama's brown shirts.

Yup, Obama is looking more and more like Hitler every day. He has his SS and his Jungerkinden and his Goebbels.

re: #101 Sharmuta

Zogby was way off 4 years ago if I remember correctly?

Obambi will go catatonic if he loses. A loss would put a nail in his political coffin.

re: #77 doriangrey

democrats/liberals/socialists/communists are not capable of feeling shame or guilt. All they care about is winning, at any cost. Self respect, morals, ethics, dignity are concepts that they have sacrificed because they get in their way.

There are times when I wish the Repubs would borrow some of that attitude.

re: #104 SpaceJesus

I'm just gonna assume that if the military was properly factored in, that might give mccain a 1-2 percent edge in these AP/Zogby/Gallup polls. Enough to make it pretty close if not a dead heat.

Do you know what will happen after the election if it is close?

Endless lawsuits ... we may not know who's President until 2009!

re: #106 doriangrey

I was just thinking that last night. Mein Fuhrer Obama.

re: #110 ErislDysnomia

Do you know what will happen after the election if it is close?

Endless lawsuits ... we may not know who's President until 2009!

make that "late 2009"

re: #104 SpaceJesus

I'm just gonna assume that if the military was properly factored in, that might give mccain a 1-2 percent edge in these AP/Zogby/Gallup polls. Enough to make it pretty close if not a dead heat.

Not sure there are enough in the military to matter. If I am correct there are ONLY 1.5% in Uniform at any one time.

McCain seems to be keeping it close in National polls, for whatever that is worth. However, looking at RCP state races, he is still way behind. I hope those polls are inaccurate because Obama appears to have the necessary Electoral Votes to win. If the election were held today, at least. (Good thing it's not being held today, eh?)

re: #109 Soona'

There are times when I wish the Repubs would borrow some of that attitude.

Then we wouldn't be Repubs would we? We'd be dems.

re: #109 Soona'

There are times when I wish the Repubs would borrow some of that attitude.

Glare....................

re: #106 doriangrey

Yup, Obama is looking more and more like Hitler every day. He has his SS and his Jungerkinden and his Goebbels.

Well, that's a little over the top.

I would say he's demonstrating elements of autocracy, but not fascism.

re: #109 Soona'

There are times when I wish the Repubs would borrow some of that attitude.

Do not wish that.

re: #109 Soona'

There are times when I wish the Repubs would borrow some of that attitude.

You take the low road and I'll take the high road. Win, lose or draw honor does count.

Amazingly, there are still some Ron Paulians posting at LGF. See the thread about the fake attack story...

re: #107 Nevergiveup

You remember correctly. They were way skewed towards Kerry until the very end.

re: #107 Nevergiveup

No- he wasn't.

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

The signage is self selected.

Signs don't vote.

Many people without a sign and with no desire whatsoever to have a sign will vote.

A candidate with the largest sign budget does not necessarily have any chance of winning the elections. The election officials count votes not signs.

Signs serve the purpose of making it feel like a candidate has broad support. It has impressionistic values to a campaign. It can make a campaign feel like a winner even if it hasn't a chance in hell.

re: #83 NYCHardhat

What happens to the MSM after this election since they jumped the shark this election?

Following a Democratic win, they will move to shut down any opposing speech through the re-introduction of the Fairness Doctrine, and will begin to savage the annoyance of the Internet through legislation, lawsuits and outright intimidation.

Sadly, McCain has handed them the keys to this sort of oppression with the McCain-Feingold Act. Unenforced until now, look for it to be at the root of major efforts to shut people up, and to limit the flow of information/propaganda through "accredited" media sources only.

re: #113 Nevergiveup

Not sure there are enough in the military to matter. If I am correct there are ONLY 1.5% in Uniform at any one time.

I think it matters in places like MI, OH and PA. Every other Marine I know (and I know a shitload of Marines) is from one of those 3 states.

re: #120 Charles

Amazingly, there are still some Ron Paulians posting at LGF. See the thread about the fake attack story...

Wellll, off to the wars

re: #115 rightwinger3

Then we wouldn't be Repubs would we? We'd be dems.

Yea. I know.

re: #95 Perplexed

Eyes often lie. For example there may be voters who change out the signs to confuse their neighbors.

What I said had some sarcasm leavening, but my main thrust was to show my contempt, yes contempt, for anyone that takes polls as being an unimpeachable and accurate reflection of reality and therefore something worthy of being considered scientific. Statistics are social science, not hard science like chemistry or physics.

Besides, I would rather prefer to believe my lying eyes than some MSM bullshit no matter how good or bad it appears to be. ;)

re: #121 pat

You remember correctly. They were way skewed towards Kerry until the very end.

No- they weren't.

re: #125 rightwinger3

I think it matters in places like MI, OH and PA. Every other Marine I know (and I know a shitload of Marines) is from one of those 3 states.

Well I hope it matters.

re: #68 oh_dude

I'd like to believe it. In my part of California, all I see are Obama bumper stickers on the freeway.

'course, I live in Los Angeles....

re: #120 Charles

Amazingly, there are still some Ron Paulians posting at LGF. See the thread about the fake attack story...

In a very liberal section of Atlanta that I drive thru on the way to work, there are more Paul signs (ones that have been placed on lawns RECENTLY, I may add) than obama/ mccain signs COMBINED
(looking into their driveways, the cars still have Kerry and/ or Clinton stickers too)

I am going to ding down every comment that I see that compares Obama to Hitler. You know who is the only person who should be compared to Hitler? HITLER. Obama is an idiot, socialist, friend of terrorists, but for heaven's sake, he is not HITLER. Every time people make this idiotic and odious comparison, it not only cheapens the memory of the real victims of the Nazis, but it significantly deterioriates the level of discussion here at LGF in my opinion. How many of you find the comparison Bush=Hitler disgusting? Don't complain anymore if you engage in the same type of infantile, irresponsible comparisons. If I sound angry it's because I am and I expect more from lizards.

re: #128 FurryOldGuyJeans

The economy hasn't tanked. We're still selling machine tools and folks are getting their broken ones repaired.

Dinner Jacket has "fallen ill".

As if we're supposed to care?

re: #129 Sharmuta

No- they weren't.

I do remember Zogby's exit polls the day of the election being way off.

re: #124 SixDegrees

Following a Democratic win, they will move to shut down any opposing speech through the re-introduction of the Fairness Doctrine, and will begin to savage the annoyance of the Internet through legislation, lawsuits and outright intimidation.

Hannity intimated some sort of workaround the other day. Perhaps forming of an offshore-based radio network? Satellite? Short Wave? Anyone have any ideas?

i am so disgusted w/ the msm.
even if mccain wins, i will not forget what fcking scoundrels the msm is comprised of.
i hate them more than the bad characters trying to get into office. there are always crooks and thieves trying to take advantage of others.
and empty suit pols w/ terrible agendas for our country. these scum are a given.
but the manipulative elitist msm really are the worst of all the players.

i blame them completely for helping such a flawed and unqualified candidate get this close to the highest office in the world.
it is unconscionable that the msm ignored or hid every dirty thing abt, this empty suit joke of a candidate.
sickening.

re: #101 Sharmuta

I have a very simplistic philosophy, I don't believe polls, period. Up or down has no effect on whether I vote or not.

But please do continue watching the polls if that satisfies you, just don't ask me to do something I have profound misgivings about doing. :)

re: #120 Charles

Charles-I wonder if you might comment in general on the Obama/Bush/whoever = Hitler rhetoric. Personally, I find it really demeans the level of conversation here.

re: #138 ErislDysnomia

Hannity intimated some sort of workaround the other day. Perhaps forming of an offshore-based radio network? Satellite? Short Wave? Anyone have any ideas?

Elect Republicans and then we dont' have to worry about it.

I would hope the latest Joe Biden interview with that reporter in Florida shocks some undecideds into the McCain camp. I can't find a link to it as of yet, but Biden was absolutely hilarious in a scary sort of way. Now the Obama camp os saying "no more interviews"!

HAHAHAHAHA

re: #137 Nevergiveup

I don't recall Zogby doing exit polling. I do recall Zogby saying he personally thought Kerry would win, but later said he'd stick to polling over making predictions.

re: #139 nyc redneck

HEY YOU!

I am sooooooo enjoying the item you sent with my Dad.

re: #141 WriterMom

2nd

re: #119 Perplexed

You take the low road and I'll take the high road. Win, lose or draw honor does count.

Okay. Okay. Maybe it's just sometimes I've felt that the Repubs have been absent during portions of this campaign. A question, though. Where are the 527's?

re: #108 Perplexed

Obambi will go catatonic if he loses. A loss would put a nail in his political coffin.

No. He has already laid the groundwork for a response. Last week, his campaign began to attack the Justice Department investigation into ACORN and similar state-sponsored investigations as an attempt to "suppress the vote." No matter what happens, this vote is going to be close, and you can bet that the Obama camp will lead the way with court challenges and, in the end, disinformation like this to sour and discredit a McCain victory, should such a thing take place. If you think things were bad when the Gorebots went crazy in 2000, wait until you see the response from someone who certainly has a plan already in place for such an eventuality.

re: #143 BaseballMom57

I would hope the latest Joe Biden interview with that reporter in Florida shocks some undecideds into the McCain camp. I can't find a link to it as of yet, but Biden was absolutely hilarious in a scary sort of way. Now the Obama camp os saying "no more interviews"!

HAHAHAHAHA

There's a link to the interview here.

re: #136 The Other Les

Dinner Jacket has "fallen ill".

As if we're supposed to care?

The poor thing's exhausted.

/gives new meaning to the phrase "no rest for the wicked"...

re: #120 Charles

Maybe they're waiting to vote in the next online poll.

re: #79 uptight

Don't hold your breath...

re: #117 ErislDysnomia

Well, that's a little over the top.

I would say he's demonstrating elements of autocracy, but not fascism.

if you want to see the future under Obama, just have a look at the record of New Labour in Britain over the past decade.

some examples:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Education minister : "Teach children what the muslims did for us"

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Compulsory sex education for children under five

If you want a good blog that tracks the constant assaults on civil liberties in the UK, try the Devil's Kitchen

its uber-libertarian.. so he's coming from the right angle...

[Link: devilskitchen.me.uk...]

The closer we get, the more afraid people are going to be of Obama. As Melanie Phillips wrote and Charles posted yesterday Is America Really Going To Do This?...

I personally, think not.

So if Obama has spent close to a billion dollars and he loses, when will we hear the cries of, "But think of all the poor people that money could have fed"?

I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

Mission accomplished and he hasn't even been elected yet.

/somewhere someone must be enjoying my money

re: #34 LGoPs

I sure as hell hope there's enough of us to counterbalance the fraudulent voting that is undoubtedly going on......

if there is a close vote in any swing states we need to demand an investigation.
no matter how long it takes. a total recount and examination of registrations for fraud. all fraudulent voters need to be prosecuted.

re: #108 Perplexed

Obambi will go catatonic if he loses. A loss would put a nail in his political coffin.

He would join a fraternity of over-confident losers whose members include John Kerry, Al Gore, Gary Hart, Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter...

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just analyzing the data at hand.

If we're comparing apples to apples and the second apple has lost 7 oz. in three days, it might be rotting.

re: #117 ErislDysnomia

Well, that's a little over the top.

I would say he's demonstrating elements of autocracy, but not fascism.

Over the top? What in the hell are you smoking? That is a dead on accurate description of the situation. So far the only page out of Hitlers play book Obama hasn't pulled is the burning of the Reichstag.

Obama kids...

Obama's SS...

re: #135 Perplexed

The economy hasn't tanked. We're still selling machine tools and folks are getting their broken ones repaired.

So your lying eyes say something different than what the MSM does, eh? ;)

re: #134 WriterMom

I am going to ding down every comment that I see that compares Obama to Hitler. You know who is the only person who should be compared to Hitler? HITLER. Obama is an idiot, socialist, friend of terrorists, but for heaven's sake, he is not HITLER. Every time people make this idiotic and odious comparison, it not only cheapens the memory of the real victims of the Nazis, but it significantly deterioriates the level of discussion here at LGF in my opinion. How many of you find the comparison Bush=Hitler disgusting? Don't complain anymore if you engage in the same type of infantile, irresponsible comparisons. If I sound angry it's because I am and I expect more from lizards.

WriterMom, Bill Ayers suggested killing 25,000,000 Americans who resisted attempts at 're-education' camps. Sorry, but if Obambi gets elected we will see midnight arrests, 'disappeared' people, and re-education camps staffed by the party loyal. He is sort of Hitlereaque, but a better comparison would be either Mao or Stalin. I really don't want another civil war because of some dumb-assed politicians who don't know when to stop.

One of my neighbors had a huge gargantuan oversized Ron Paul sign in her yard.

She has replaced it with a giant home made letter "Obama" sign that she has lit with blue Christmas lights. She also has a a huge Iconic poster of "the One" in a window of her house.

The Paulians had some oddballs in their midst.

re: #143 BaseballMom57[Link: copiousdissent.blogspot.com...]

scroll down page

re: #138 ErislDysnomia

offshore-based radio network

re: #139 nyc redneck

i am so disgusted w/ the msm.
even if mccain wins, i will not forget what fcking scoundrels the msm is comprised of.
i hate them more than the bad characters trying to get into office. there are always crooks and thieves trying to take advantage of others.
and empty suit pols w/ terrible agendas for our country. these scum are a given.
but the manipulative elitist msm really are the worst of all the players.

i blame them completely for helping such a flawed and unqualified candidate get this close to the highest office in the world.
it is unconscionable that the msm ignored or hid every dirty thing abt, this empty suit joke of a candidate.
sickening.

So why not go after them in an organized fashion?

How would the NY Times in its current financially weakened condition, and its advertisers (also in a weaker condition thanks to Barney, Nancy & Harry et al), react to hundreds of thousands of people saying they were going to boycott both the Times and their advertisers?

Well, this is not good. Hubby's been quiet about something for awhile now and he just spilled it - a sign of how worried about this election he really is. Some background: he was the equivalent of chief of staff for a Senator when he was still in the House - has known him easily for over 30 years. The Senator is now in an assisted living facility w/Alzheimers/dementia. Hubby watched - along with very devoted staff and friends - that long slow decline. I first met him in 1991 and I told my husband then and there something was wrong. There was no 'there' in his eyes.

What Hubby has been quiet about is this - staffers are telling him they see the same early sympoms in Biden.

re: #147 Soona'

Okay. Okay. Maybe it's just sometimes I've felt that the Repubs have been absent during portions of this campaign. A question, though. Where are the 527's?

You've hit the nail on the head. Perhaps the republicans thought that 527 were too much of a loose cannon and opted out. That doesn't excuse some of their WTFWTT campaign moments though.

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

buzz, I'm not saying there aren't certain creepy elements that he employs that follow in the footsteps of other dictators-but do you really feel that Obama is going to put Jews in cattle cars, and build gas chambers and try to invade other countries? Really?

re: #168 wahabicorridor

Well, this is not good. Hubby's been quiet about something for awhile now and he just spilled it - a sign of how worried about this election he really is. Some background: he was the equivalent of chief of staff for a Senator when he was still in the House - has known him easily for over 30 years. The Senator is now in an assisted living facility w/Alzheimers/dementia. Hubby watched - along with very devoted staff and friends - that long slow decline. I first met him in 1991 and I told my husband then and there something was wrong. There was no 'there' in his eyes.

What Hubby has been quiet about is this - staffers are telling him they see the same early sympoms in Biden.

Well in Biden's case that could only improve his judgement?

re: #162 Perplexed

Obviously, I have more confidence in the American people than you.

re: #155 vxbush

So if Obama has spent close to a billion dollars and he loses, when will we hear the cries of, "But think of all the poor people that money could have fed"?

The day after they have a week-long freeze in Gila Bend.

re: #153 buzzdroid

if you want to see the future under Obama, just have a look at the record of New Labour in Britain over the past decade.

I am going to stay out of this argument, for a change.

I do not believe police officers (whom I've worked with in the past), military people, etc. would allow the abuses of a Fascist state to occur.

re: #134 WriterMom

I am going to ding down every comment that I see that compares Obama to Hitler. You know who is the only person who should be compared to Hitler? HITLER. Obama is an idiot, socialist, friend of terrorists, but for heaven's sake, he is not HITLER. Every time people make this idiotic and odious comparison, it not only cheapens the memory of the real victims of the Nazis, but it significantly deterioriates the level of discussion here at LGF in my opinion. How many of you find the comparison Bush=Hitler disgusting? Don't complain anymore if you engage in the same type of infantile, irresponsible comparisons. If I sound angry it's because I am and I expect more from lizards.

As a Briton, I find the almost messiah like following for Obama to be extremely frightening - it certainly DOES remind me of Hitler.

The parallels to Weimar Germany are uncanny.

And then, when I see the speeches of Reverand Wright - well, thats the final tipping point for me. That Obama SAT THROUGH such Hitlerian speeches for 20 f**king years?

and it hasnt affected him? come off it.

Hey, I jumped off the bandwagon last week - can I get back on?

/sarcasm

re: #145 WriterMom

HEY YOU!

I am sooooooo enjoying the item you sent with my Dad.

hey {WriterMom},
great. there are 2 others in the works. slow going, tho.
hug your dad for me.
:D

Hopefully, the majority of the voters realize that Barry's socialist agenda and free speech crackdowns must be rejected.

re: #134 WriterMom

I am going to ding down every comment that I see that compares Obama to Hitler. You know who is the only person who should be compared to Hitler? HITLER. Obama is an idiot, socialist, friend of terrorists, but for heaven's sake, he is not HITLER. Every time people make this idiotic and odious comparison, it not only cheapens the memory of the real victims of the Nazis, but it significantly deterioriates the level of discussion here at LGF in my opinion. How many of you find the comparison Bush=Hitler disgusting? Don't complain anymore if you engage in the same type of infantile, irresponsible comparisons. If I sound angry it's because I am and I expect more from lizards.

GODWIN'S LAW OF USENET.

re: #159 Sharmuta

I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just analyzing the data at hand.

If we're comparing apples to apples and the second apple has lost 7 oz. in three days, it might be rotting.

The only data I find worthy of any analysis is that derived and obtained on November 4th. I see polling quite akin to the computer modeling that is "proving" man-made climate change. Technology used to impress the rubes.

But as I said previously, don't let my opinion and outlook stop you from expressing yours. Reasoned disagreement is valued. :)

re: #173 Van Helsing

The day after they have a week-long freeze in Gila Bend.

...in July.

with msm, a majority dem congress, yes i'm nervous as hell, knowing where this guy has been, who he's called his friends..

re: #174 ErislDysnomia

very true.. good point. i think your police and military will defend America a lot more that our lot did.

re: #150 gop_patriot

The poor thing's exhausted.

/gives new meaning to the phrase "no rest for the wicked"...

It's tough having to round up all the gay people that don't exist, keeping all the women burhkaised and muzzled, planning the destruction of Israel, making IEDs for proxies in Iraq, funding Hezbollah, keeping the masses down, constructing nuclear weapons AND preparing for the return of the Hidden Iman, all at once! He should learn to delegate more....I am sure he has some hands bloodied goons that could help him out...Come on Mahmoud, take a break! Their will be plenty of people to suppress later on, the Americans are not leaving anytime soon, and the Jews in Israel will still be there tomorrow...Take some time to smell the uranium.

Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.

/what is America thinking?

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Well in Biden's case that could only improve his judgement?

Think of the bright side...

If Biden has the onste of Alzheimer's, at least he won't be able to remember the words of others and plagiarize them.

/sarc

re: #160 doriangrey

Over the top? What in the hell are you smoking? That is a dead on accurate description of the situation. So far the only page out of Hitlers play book Obama hasn't pulled is the burning of the Reichstag.

Obama kids...

Obama's SS...

And the SA is out vandalizing.

re: #175 buzzdroid

buzzdroid, as I said above, there are certainly elements that are consistent with other dictators, but it is a very big jump from that to concentration camps, gas chambers, medical experimentations, deporations, slave labour and invading other countries.

Here's the deal. Those 5% who can't make up their mind don't care about Ayres, or Wright. How about this?

Obama is going to send an additional $50,000,000,000 to the corrupt UN.

He is going to more then double foreign handouts to nations that hate us.

He is going to sign treaties meant to destroy the US.

And on and on. The past doesn't matter to these people. McCain and Republicans need to get the word out about what will happen if very liberal Democrats control 100% of congress and the executive.

re: #75 amphibian

They had Sen. Big-Ears up by about 20 kajillion before, didn't they? Up by five in Zogby almost puts Husseinovich into negative territory.

I think that Husseinovich's trip to Hawaii contributed to this. The charismatic leader needs to be in the public eye for a personality cult to work. I wonder why he went in the first place -- sick grandmother's birthday is today (Sunday), I have heard, so why did he go all the way there only to leave yesterday?

His calendar broke?

I've been saying this for months now. John McCain will be our next POTUS.

Man, have I missed a lot of news. Babysat the Granddaughter ALL night last night and just now able to get on.
Already emailed the laslimes refusing to release the video of The Zero. OMG! It will get worse if Zero/Plugs wins.
Differing viewpoints will be silenced.
I'm still staying optimistic about this election. I have faith in the American people (well, most of them).

re: #174 ErislDysnomia

I am going to stay out of this argument, for a change.

I do not believe police officers (whom I've worked with in the past), military people, etc. would allow the abuses of a Fascist state to occur.

I don't either. They'd be there first to protect us from marxist politics.

re: #143 BaseballMom57

From Hillbuzz- Channel 9 is the station that did the interview (video at the link also):

Channel 9 is being attacked by Obama followers! They need your support!

H iall. I'm just catching up with the goings on since last night...I was sitting the nephews and so couldn't be on.

I wrote to the editor of the LA Times regarding the video.

Do we know if anyone forwarded this to Bill O, Hannity and Rush?

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

Try closer to a billion dollars. He's spent $650 million since the convention, not counting the primaries--and he has spent more than both candidates, Bush and Kerry, spent in 2004 from primaries to election.

The Billion Dollar Candidate.

OK, Mr. Absolute Best Parody Lyrics Generator, here's one for you to work with. (At least I assume that you are a Mr.; with monkeys, it can be hard to tell...)

re: #188 WriterMom

buzzdroid, as I said above, there are certainly elements that are consistent with other dictators, but it is a very big jump from that to concentration camps, gas chambers, medical experimentations, deporations, slave labour and invading other countries.

As long as Ayers isn't placed in charge of anything.

re: #185 Killian Bundy

/what is America thinking?

I guess we'll find out on Nov 4th?

re: #173 Van Helsing

I hear the glaciers down in Gila Bend are shrinking too....

re: #192 newsjunkie_ky

laslimes refusing to release the video of The Zero

I'm even behind YOU,, What "video of zero"?

Re: Obama=Hitler

Look. For every Jew on the planet, that just trivializes Hitler (and not just for every Jew, I might add).

Obama is unique enough in American history to become iconic on his own merits - which, so far, do not involve genocide.

re: #170 WriterMom

buzz, I'm not saying there aren't certain creepy elements that he employs that follow in the footsteps of other dictators-but do you really feel that Obama is going to put Jews in cattle cars, and build gas chambers and try to invade other countries? Really?

I think he's comfortable associating with Ayers, who casually engaged in discussions on having to dispose of upwards of 25 million Americans......
And Ayers clearly sees something in Obama.....

re: #108 Perplexed

Obambi will go catatonic if he loses. A loss would put a nail in his political coffin.

He'd always find a job as an MC at Las Vegas shows ... because thats exactly what he looks like.
Or he could take over from Oprah ...

You know, Trent Reznor wrote an album titled "Year Zero." I wonder if he talking about Barry.

re: #185 Killian Bundy

/what is America thinking?

It's not America. It is the idiots that some choose to represent us. I'd love to meet someone who has voted for Barney Frank who really believes that he is good for America; I'd just like to hear the justification.

Then, I'd like to sit on them until they apologized.

re: #204 yma o hyd

He'd always find a job as an MC at Las Vegas shows ... because thats exactly what he looks like.
Or he could take over from Oprah ...

He ain't fat enough. Did I say that? Bad me.

re: #199 Nevergiveup

I guess we'll find out on Nov 4th?

/early voting is not boding well

re: #168 wahabicorridor
It's all the botox in his forehead. The man's eyebrows and forehead do not move.

re: #168 wahabicorridor

Well, this is not good. Hubby's been quiet about something for awhile now and he just spilled it - a sign of how worried about this election he really is. Some background: he was the equivalent of chief of staff for a Senator when he was still in the House - has known him easily for over 30 years. The Senator is now in an assisted living facility w/Alzheimers/dementia. Hubby watched - along with very devoted staff and friends - that long slow decline. I first met him in 1991 and I told my husband then and there something was wrong. There was no 'there' in his eyes.

What Hubby has been quiet about is this - staffers are telling him they see the same early sympoms in Biden.

Wouldn't wish that on anyone. Biden, imho, should be either a used car salesman, disgraced tv evangelist, or a strip club owner (you know with the gold jewelry, shirt opened to the waist, flashy car,

re: #208 Killian Bundy

/early voting is not boding well

How does every one seem to know how secret early voting is going?

re: #203 LGoPs

Whenever an Obamaton gives me the 'Obama can't be responsible for what Ayers did when Barack was only 8"
I retort
"I don't care what Ayers did when O was 8, I care what O did when he was 4o, which was to decide to associate with Ayers"

re: #208 Killian Bundy

/early voting is not boding well

Yes, I heard that Mickey AND Minnie Mouse have both voted for Obama, and I am afraid to look, but the offensive line of the Dallas Cowboys are probably going that way too.......

re: #188 WriterMom

buzzdroid, as I said above, there are certainly elements that are consistent with other dictators, but it is a very big jump from that to concentration camps, gas chambers, medical experimentations, deporations, slave labour and invading other countries.

With all due respect mom, Hitler didnt start out with any of those things. He did start out by getting elected by promising hope and change by having his thugs intimidate voters, through voter fraud and through a messianic propaganda program.

actually we should work on msm from now to forever. Possibly petition their funders like GE? Do boycotts work?
i dunno what will work? do we have any list of ideas?
Some of this information that wonderful blogs such as this presents does get out> but so much more should be addressed.

re: #134 WriterMom

I am going to ding down every comment that I see that compares Obama to Hitler. You know who is the only person who should be compared to Hitler? HITLER. Obama is an idiot, socialist, friend of terrorists, but for heaven's sake, he is not HITLER. Every time people make this idiotic and odious comparison, it not only cheapens the memory of the real victims of the Nazis, but it significantly deterioriates the level of discussion here at LGF in my opinion. How many of you find the comparison Bush=Hitler disgusting? Don't complain anymore if you engage in the same type of infantile, irresponsible comparisons. If I sound angry it's because I am and I expect more from lizards.

Well said!
I'll join you!

Ok I have had a few drinks now but does KC really have a QB named pigpen?

re: #212 Nevergiveup

How does every one seem to know how secret early voting is going?

/they have 3-4 hours to quiz the people in line

Mark Steyn: Obama nears the "now what?" moment
If elected, he'll likely, as he has done all his life, take the path of least resistance.

..."People of the world," Sen. Obama declared sonorously at his self-worship service in Germany, "look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."

No, sorry. History proved no such thing. In the Cold War, the world did not stand as one. One half of Europe was a prison, and in the other half far too many people – the Barack Obamas of the day – were happy to go along with that division in perpetuity.

And the wall came down not because "the world stood as one," but because a few courageous people stood against the conventional wisdom of the day. Had Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan been like Helmut Schmidt and Francois Mitterrand and Pierre Trudeau and Jimmy Carter, the Soviet empire (notwithstanding its own incompetence) would have survived, and the wall would still be standing. Sen. Obama's feeble passivity will get you a big round of applause precisely because it's the easy option: Do nothing but hold hands and sing the easy-listening anthems of one-worldism, and the planet will heal.

To govern is to choose. And sometimes the choices are tough ones. When has Barack Obama chosen to take a stand? When he got along to get along with the Chicago machine? When he sat for 20 years in the pews of an ugly neo-segregationist race-baiting grievance-monger? When he voted to deny the surviving "fetuses" of botched abortions medical treatment? When in his short time in national politics he racked up the most liberal – i.e., the most doctrinaire, the most orthodox, the most reflex – voting record in the Senate? Or when, on those many occasions the questions got complex and required a choice, he dodged it and voted merely "present"?

The world rarely stands as one. You can, as Reagan and Thatcher did, stand up. Or, like Obama voting "present," you can stand down.

Nobody denies that, in promoting himself from "community organizer" to the world's president-designate in nothing flat, he has shown an amazing and impressively ruthless single-mindedness. But the path of personal glory has been, in terms of policy and philosophy, the path of least resistance.

Peggy Noonan thinks a President Obama will be like the dog who chases the car and finally catches it: Now what? I think Obama will be content to be King Barack the Benign, Spreader of Wealth and Healer of Planets. His rise is, in many ways, testament to the persistence of the monarchical urge even in a two-century old republic. So the "Now what?" questions will be answered by others, beginning with the liberal supermajority in Congress. And as he has done all his life he will take the path of least resistance. An Obama administration will pitch America toward EU domestic policy and U.N. foreign policy.

Thomas Sowell is right: It would be a "point of no return," the most explicit repudiation of the animating principles of America. For a vigilant republic of limited government and self-reliant citizens, it would be a Declaration of Dependence.

If a majority of Americans want that, we holdouts must respect their choice. But, if you don't want it, vote accordingly.

re: #203 LGoPs

You're right, they do admire one another obviously and that is very scary. But I really do have confidence in the American people that if Obama is elected (G-d forbid), YOU THE PEOPLE will be able to get him out of office, too. Any hint of tinkering with your civil rights, and your constitution, those are the real warning signs. I understand what is at stake.

re: #217 yma o hyd

Well said!
I'll join you!

As will I.

re: #138 ErislDysnomia

Hannity intimated some sort of workaround the other day. Perhaps forming of an offshore-based radio network? Satellite? Short Wave? Anyone have any ideas?

I didn't hear it. Unfortunately, because the government essentially leases the airwaves, it also controls their content, and there is ample precedent to back this up. If the Fairness Doctrine returns, look for everything on broadcast medium - the networks and all radio - to be shut down if it even remotely resembles political speech, simply because the requirement to provide "equal access" is too onerous for any realistic company to bear.

We'll have to wait and see what the details of any such law are, because that's where the devil will lie. Perhaps some workarounds will present themselves. But remember, this will be an ongoing campaign - once a loophole is found, be certain that a torrent of lawsuits, public complaints and legislative action will ensue to plug it.

That leaves the Internet, which the Right as still not exploited to it's full potential despite an early start. It's difficult to argue that the US can control speech over such an international medium, and there are powerful forces arrayed around the world that stand in opposition to any attempt at abridging such use. Unfortunately, McCain-Feingold lays the groundwork to simply charge such venues out of existence, which will silence many voices. It's a two-edged sword that cuts against the Democrats just as badly, but they already have large corporate cash cows in place, along with other financial streams, to deal with what will surely be a lopsided attack anyway.

Note also that posts running toward the incitement of violence and other niceties, while perhaps less common on the Right, will surely be used as fodder to feed this upcoming confrontation. It behooves us to demonstrate moral superiority through words and actions, and not sink to the level of our opposition on the questionable merits of, "Well, they started it." It doesn't matter; remember that there is a strong chance we'll be severely outnumbered, and that the attacks will be biased.

gotta go. Keep dinging down, Write Mom.

re: #219 Killian Bundy

/they have 3-4 hours to quiz the people in line

Persecute you mean. Remember them exit polls from 04?

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

buzz-what has the Bush administration done thus far to prevent Iran going nuclear? Be honest-not much.

Democrats have to buy and lie their way into office.

Our founding fathers would be sickened.

SOMEONE HELP A BRUTHA OUT

WHAT'S THIS LATIMES/ OBAMA VIDEO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!?!?

no SARC. I missed it somehwhere

This is what pollsters do, they report BS polls during all of october. Then, when it is ~1 week from election day, they get real and give us accurate polls. Thats why dems almost always have a lead and then that lead dissapears as the election gets closer.

is there anything concrete in hugh hewitt's assertion that its the Catholic vote that might win it for McCain because of the life issue?

are there fellow lizards who are aware of catholic friends who have switched sides or gone from undecided to mccain?

re: #221 WriterMom

You're right, they do admire one another obviously and that is very scary. But I really do have confidence in the American people that if Obama is elected (G-d forbid), YOU THE PEOPLE will be able to get him out of office, too. Any hint of tinkering with your civil rights, and your constitution, those are the real warning signs. I understand what is at stake.

I doubt we would be able to get him out of office before the end of his term.

But THANKS TO BLOGS like this one, where like-minded people can meet up and suggest actions that can be taken, then perhaps we can minimize the damage.

btw - On election day, if you want to do something positive - call your local VFS chapter, and volunteer to bring a few carloads of disabled vets to the polls so they can vote.

re: #226 WriterMom

buzz-what has the Bush administration done thus far to prevent Iran going nuclear? Be honest-not much.

When you get your legs cut out from under you it does make it difficult to even crawl to the start line. Not that it is an excuse.

re: #228 sattv4u2
a thread or two back on lgf

re: #216 willowone

actually we should work on msm from now to forever. Possibly petition their funders like GE? Do boycotts work?
i dunno what will work? do we have any list of ideas?
Some of this information that wonderful blogs such as this presents does get out> but so much more should be addressed.

Pick the most vulnerable and most visible target, which right now is probably tyhe NY Times, which depends on its advertising revenue in part to stay afloat.

I personally will begin to stop patronizing any organization that advertises in the Times. If we could get a few million others to do that..

The Times would either change ... or cease to exist.

Y'know those T-Shirts that the moonbats put on when they leave Mommie's basement to buy more Kools and Jolt cola, the ones that have "01.21.2009 - The End Of An Error" on them? Well, if 0bummer wins, I think that we need one that reads "01.21.2009 - The End of Freedom & Liberty". Probably never carry thru with making them, since 0bummers "national internal security force" (does anyone else think Gestapo or KGB when they read that?) just might come knocking on the door at 2AM to ask about it...shudder...

re: #226 WriterMom

The only thing Bush has done to the Iranians is show he is not afraid to pull the trigger....but, as his term ends, they are growing more and more confident. If Obama makes it in, I am sure the daily Mullah Meeting will be awash with smiles knowing there is a spineless piece of clay in the White House.

re: #233 willowone

a thread or two back on lgf

thanks

re: #228 sattv4u2

SOMEONE HELP A BRUTHA OUT

WHAT'S THIS LATIMES/ OBAMA VIDEO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!?!?

no SARC. I missed it somehwhere

Look at the top of the page. The very top in a pinkish box. The story at the very top of the page.

re: #153 buzzdroid

Thanks, fellow Brit!

Thats what I've been saying as well, ever since I got let in through the doors here.

re: #113 Nevergiveup

Not sure there are enough in the military to matter. If I am correct there are ONLY 1.5% in Uniform at any one time.

They surveyed veterans too and it was about the same.

Exit polling is done by an AP branch, I believe.

re: #228 sattv4u2

Charles posted a whole thread about it yesterday. :)

Plus it's the very very top thing on the front page.

re: #232 Nevergiveup

What do you mean? Bush didn't pick Condi? What are you suggesting?

re: #216 willowone

actually we should work on msm from now to forever. Possibly petition their funders like GE? Do boycotts work?
i dunno what will work? do we have any list of ideas?
Some of this information that wonderful blogs such as this presents does get out> but so much more should be addressed.

Yea. A boycott. We'll tell GE that we're not going to subjugate ourselves to electricity.

re: #240 GoldwaterGirl

They surveyed veterans too and it was about the same.

That only grings it to about 4% of the population that has ever worn a Uniform!

Just two observations this week. I early voted and observed no Obama people around to fend off. Also noted that most of the early voters appeared to be in their late 60's. This was in NW Las Vegas. Two Viking6 votes delivered for McCain / Palin (me and Mrs Viking6).

Second observation while in Beverly Hills and Hollywood on business Thursday I noted many, more than twenty, McCain / Palin signs in Beverly Hills / Brentwood and Hollywood mega homes yards. Also saw numbers of McCain / Palin stickers on cars. I saw only one small Obama yard sign and no stickers. Tooo weird

re: #202 wahabicorridor

Re: Obama=Hitler

Look. For every Jew on the planet, that just trivializes Hitler (and not just for every Jew, I might add).

Obama is unique enough in American history to become iconic on his own merits - which, so far, do not involve genocide.

While I agree with your statement, I think it's valuable to see the similarities in Hitler's rise to power with what we see Obama doing right now. Hitler got the press behind him 100%. He had his face splashed across buildings in murals, he had his slogans printed in newspapers. Leveraging this total control of information is how he proceeded. I'm not accusing Obama of genocide. I'm accusing him of trying to undermine the American democratic process with Hitler's playbook in his back pocket.

re: #215 doriangrey

With all due respect mom, Hitler didnt start out with any of those things. He did start out by getting elected by promising hope and change by having his thugs intimidate voters, through voter fraud and through a messianic propaganda program.

As have quite a lot of other dictators and thugs, elections not withstanding. All spearheaded a populist movement of change and hope to gain power. But to boil it down to a simplistic Obama = Hitler or Obama = Anti-Christ is to possibly trivialize the real danger. I do not want Obama to have even the hint of a chance of being written into the history books as a potential American tyrant and dictator.

Let's let the Left do the simplistic meme sloganeering, we need to just work hard to win the election.

wahabicorridor (#168),

Well, this is not good. Hubby's been quiet about something for awhile now and he just spilled it - a sign of how worried about this election he really is. Some background: he was the equivalent of chief of staff for a Senator when he was still in the House - has known him easily for over 30 years. The Senator is now in an assisted living facility w/Alzheimers/dementia. Hubby watched - along with very devoted staff and friends - that long slow decline. I first met him in 1991 and I told my husband then and there something was wrong. There was no 'there' in his eyes.

What Hubby has been quiet about is this - staffers are telling him they see the same early symptoms in Biden.

Biden Resting After Surgery For Second Brain Aneurysm

Published: May 4, 1988

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. underwent surgery today to correct an aneurysm in an artery that supplies blood to the right side of the brain, a spokesman for the Walter Reed Army Medical Center said.

The 4 1/2-hour procedure was similar to that performed Feb. 12 on the left side of Mr. Biden's brain. Under the procedure, a surgeon using a microscope pinches the aneurysm with a clip, bringing the walls of the artery together. The clip remains in the patient.

Any Medical Lizards know; is there any connection between brain aneurysms and loss of cognitive function?

Being a contrarian, after seeing all the chattering types were predicting a landslide and a rout this morning, I think McCain/Palin will win.

Whenever the side touting its victory shouts too soon:
- by providing us with names of all those 'republicans' who are now supporting Barry Hussein, (Adleman, Powell etc),
- by disparaging legitimate questioners and questions (Biden),
- by ignoring all the alarming issues and slagging those who raise legitimate concerns (all Barry's doubious relationships),
- by accusing all opponents as racists (conscious or subconscious!),

I remain faithful that the average American voter, when the moment comes to pull the lever or mark an 'X' will not buy the BHO myth.

Feet of clay.

re: #167 ErislDysnomia

So why not go after them in an organized fashion?

How would the NY Times in its current financially weakened condition, and its advertisers (also in a weaker condition thanks to Barney, Nancy & Harry et al), react to hundreds of thousands of people saying they were going to boycott both the Times and their advertisers?

i think something like that is already happening. perhaps not in an organized fashion but at the rate the nyt is going it is just a matter of time before that rag slips under and disappears beneath the lies and filth it spews.
i haven't read the nyt in yrs. i realized, even before i knew anything abt. politics, that there was too much agenda driven manipulation going on.
never seemed fair.

re: #223 SixDegrees

I didn't hear it. Unfortunately, because the government essentially leases the airwaves, it also controls their content, and there is ample precedent to back this up. If the Fairness Doctrine returns, look for everything on broadcast medium - the networks and all radio - to be shut down if it even remotely resembles political speech, simply because the requirement to provide "equal access" is too onerous for any realistic company to bear.

What if Rush and Hannity and the others decide to "split" their radio programs, giving 1/2 the time to liberals?

The liberals will be talking to nobody, and the call-ins will be very amusing.

re: #3 jemima

The way these polls are weighted in Barry's favor, for all we really know, McCain could be ahead.

There's an article on the American Thinker website that says exactly that.

Don't believe the Obama hype coming out of the mainstream media. If the media were truly objective and unbiased, they would be covering the race much differently. Instead of trying to browbeat the country into voting for Obama, they would be analyzing the issues and factors that favor and disfavor both candidates. Instead of focusing on college students and intellectuals, they would be focusing on working-class and middle-class voters, especially "Hillary Democrats." These voters may very well determine the election. Yet this huge story is being ignored by the MSM.

Furthermore, the media would not so consistently confuse intensity of support for breadth of support. Granted, Barack Obama's supporters tend to be more enthusiastic about their candidate than John McCain's supporters are about him. Leftists are always looking for their earthly messiah. But this does not mean that Obama's supporters, come election day, will outnumber McCain's. Whether in support of McCain or in opposition to Obama, I predict these voters will go to the polls. Contrary to the wishful thinking of Democratic pundits, they are not staying home. These voters may be unexcited, but they are not apathetic. And 51% of "unexcited" voters will defeat 49% of even the most "inspired" voters. Every time.

Of course, we all know what the mainstream media's "narrative" will be if (I believe, when) John McCain wins the election: The American people refused to vote for Obama because of the color of his skin (and not because of the content of his politics). The "right-wing attack machine" scared voters into voting for McCain, even against their own social and economic self-interest. Black and poor voters were intimidated by Republican thugs and prevented from voting. We know this story by heart as well.

Go read the whole thing.

re: #244 Soona'

Yea. A boycott. We'll tell GE that we're not going to subjugate ourselves to electricity.

//once again, sorry.

re: #221 WriterMom

You're right, they do admire one another obviously and that is very scary. But I really do have confidence in the American people that if Obama is elected (G-d forbid), YOU THE PEOPLE will be able to get him out of office, too. Any hint of tinkering with your civil rights, and your constitution, those are the real warning signs. I understand what is at stake.

The problem is that it is way too easy to obfuscate legislation in our government. You'll hear the major points of a bill, you can try to keep track of some of the back-and-forth debate on the major points, but at the last minute they tack any damn unrelated thing onto that they think they can get away with.

Far too often, they do get away with it.

I forgot the link for the earlier SA vandalization...
[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

re: #223 SixDegrees

"The requirement to provide "equal access" is too onerous for any realistic company to bear."

I think when or if the requirement is put into place, there will be hundreds of creative solutions to address it. There will be extreme market pressures to solve the problem, and all those people in talk radio now are talented and able to imagine some outside of the box fixes.

re: #225 Nevergiveup

Persecute you mean. Remember them exit polls from 04?

I'm voting McCain.

/but with nine days left, it's getting damn near impossible to honestly put a positive spin on what's happening, outside the margin of error has meaning

re: #234 ErislDysnomia
nodding, Yet we have the possibilty of the fairness doctrine also coming into the mix, (dem congress majority),

another thing i know that Pumas/old hillary dems , many of which are voting McCain/Palin but downticket dems, wondering if we could encourage them to help with downticket Reps instead.

re: #212 Nevergiveup

How does every one seem to know how secret early voting is going?

The MSM is telling us the results, just like the do with all the polling.

re: #243 WriterMom

What do you mean? Bush didn't pick Condi? What are you suggesting?

I am just suggestion that as much as President Bush has disappointed us ( me included ) the loyal opposition hasn't made it easy on him. And I am not comparing what he has done to some ideal abstract but to what the alternative might have been. But having said that I am also bitterly disappointed by were we are at the moment.

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

You suggested that Obama being elected will be even more empowering to the mullahs, enabling an attack on Israel-if I read you right. I'm saying that the Bush administration hasn't done much to prevent that possibility either.

Was out for a walk yesterday, returning some movies to BlockBuster and enjoying the sanctity of a quiet Saturday night when I walked past my local eye wear fashion store (one of those local "trendy" ones and not the brand name type). Good thing I had my phone with me to take a picture of it because I am sure that there is a strong possibility of that store either being:

a. ransacked during the post-Election riots
2) sued for libel because it didn't follow the fairness doctrine or,
c. (and the most likely) strong demand for the hip new fashion statement would lead to long lines and the depletion of inventory, forcing the store owner to close the doors, hand the keys over to his assistant and take that nice vacation to the Bahamas with his profits!

Here it is.

re: #249 Geepers

Yes there is a connection and it isn't pretty. Few days/weeks ago it was commented on. Do a google search and hit wiki to see what they have to say.