Damn: Even the Aussies are on the LAT's deviousness!

"GIRD YOUR LOINS!"

I wonder if the LA Times has a "Burn Bag"?

May I point out that if there is such a tape, there are probably more people with copies of it.

At Australia’s Daily Telegraph, Tim Blair says: “Peter Wallsten, hand over that tape.”

Awesome.

Wow! You know your news media sucks when other countries start demanding transparency.

re: #1 gunjam

Damn: Even the Aussies are on the LAT's deviousness!

It's that obvious, halfway around the world.

Contact the Los Angeles Times and demand that they release this video.

Yeah, like they're gonna listen. "Please release a damning video of your darling boy candidate." Not gonna happen.

The NY Jets are making the KC Cheifs look like the second coming of Lenny Dawson and company!

... and then there's that 18-minute gap ...

I buzzed it up - refreshed this page, it doesn't show :-(

Buzz it up as well, Lizards!

Of course they'll release it--Nov. 5th.

re: #12 Zevy

Of course they'll release it--Nov. 5th.

Only if McCain wins!

I'll share with you the email I sent Peter Wallsten this aftenoon.

Mr. Walllsten,
I have recently become aware of the fact that the L.A. Times is in possession of a videotape featuring Barack Obama praising a known Palestinian terrorist, Rashid Khalidi, at a dinner in 2003. Clearly this association and Sen. Obama’s comments are of the utmost interest to the American people as we are about to choose a president, yet the Times refuses to release this highly relevant information.

This is a complete dereliction of your duty as a member of the press. You and the Times are withholding information that the American people have the right to know. In little more than a week, Americans will go to the polls, most of them completely ignorant about Sen. Obama’s true beliefs, sympathies, and associations. His apparent recent associations with terrorist sympathizers are vital to our decision-making. To allow America to elect someone about whom so little is known by deliberately hiding important facts is irresponsible, to say the least.

I urge you to release the tape, if that is within your power, or to pressure your superiors at the Times to do so. Your job is to provide information so voters can make an informed decision. It is not to withhold information so you can achieve your preferred outcome. Please put the best interests of your country ahead of your personal feelings and your career and make this videotape public.

Thank you for your time.

re: #13 yma o hyd

Only if McCain wins!

Either way.

I mean, is it a tape tape, or a disk tape, or a wmv tape, or wot?

LA times? release something anti senator goverment? snow balls chance in hell.

re: #12 Zevy

Of course they'll release it--Nov. 5th.

There is gonna be such a big document dump on Nov 5th that.....

re: #12 Zevy

Of course they'll release it--Nov. 5th.

If that's true and we find out all the little nasties about obama are true, is there a Constitutionals remedy for a recall?

"Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

“Peter Wallsten, hand over that tape.”

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are equal in history but let me ask does history ring?

re: #19 vapig

If that's true and we find out all the little nasties about obama are true, is there a Constitutionals remedy for a recall?

Yes, we can recall the LA Times.

re: #14 doppelganglander

I should note that I received an automated reply with a link to the original article from April. I will at least give him points for not responding with an e-tantrum as so many other reporters do when challenged.

re: #19 vapig

If that's true and we find out all the little nasties about obama are true, is there a Constitutionals remedy for a recall?

A little revolution is good every now and then

re: #7 arethusa

It's that obvious, halfway around the world.

Even though Australia has a vast LLL following, they know what's at stake in this election too.

re: #4 itellu3times

May I point out that if there is such a tape, there are probably more people with copies of it.

Yes, we need to find out how the Times got it and go to the same source.

I forget. How do we KNOW that he has that exact tape?

re: #6 vapig

Wow! You know your news media sucks when other countries start demanding transparency.

I read a story a few days back about how the Russians think our media is wildly biased.

The Russians! Think about it.

re: #26 Zevy

I forget. How do we KNOW that he has that exact tape?

If you dream it , it will be!

re: #23 Nevergiveup

A little revolution is good every now and then

Crap - you know that's not the first time I've heard that in the last few days......

re: #27 arethusa

I read a story a few days back about how the Russians think our media is wildly biased.

The Russians! Think about it.

But they've always thought that, our press is right-wing, run by the monied interests against The People.

re: #19 vapig

If that's true and we find out all the little nasties about obama are true, is there a Constitutionals remedy for a recall?

I don't think so. Impeachment and conviction is the only answer. And I'm not sure how that would work with a Democratic Congress.

re: #29 vapig

Crap - you know that's not the first time I've heard that in the last few days......

Well " The Hunt for Red October" has been on alot lately

I also just sent a slightly modified copy of my letter to the reader's representative and the letters editor. Not holding my breath, of course.

A video tape of Sen. Obama at a Terrorist's Ball is suppressed yet Gov. Palin's clothes are deemed news worthy? The king makers of this world refuse to acknowledge the trouble they have wrought!

re: #20 Idle Drifter

"Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

“Peter Wallsten, hand over that tape.”

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are equal in history but let me ask does history ring?

Heh..is it over the line to call the MSM "the evil empire" ?

re: #35 jetprop

No ! :)

Charles and LGF brought down dan blather and he can bring down the laslimes. With our help getting this information out to everyone, maybe enough pressure will be put upon them.

I'm gonna attempt that sharing thing.

gee the jets suck

re: #30 itellu3times

But they've always thought that, our press is right-wing, run by the monied interests against The People.

But this time, they think our press is biased towards the left.

re: #32 Nevergiveup

Well " The Hunt for Red October" has been on alot lately

Right! I can see how that movie would inspire people to go a-warring.

re: #8 Globular Cluster

Yeah, like they're gonna listen. "Please release a damning video of your darling boy candidate." Not gonna happen.

Although it might be politically damaging, since it probably doesn't show any criminal activity, they can't be compelled to release it.

Boycott the Times' advertisers. That might get their attention.

Sam Zell is a pretty libertarian fellow, and has been a huge giver to GOP causes over the years and in this election cycle to McCain especially, and so I'd have thought he would want to see the tape released. He did give money to Obama in the primary cycle, but that's because he hates Hillary with a passion.

Moreover, the LAT has been in such ugly financial straits that one would think the Tribune Company, and Sam Zell (it's owner), would absolutely love to have an explosive exclusive to sell papers.

I doubt such a tape really exists.

re: #31 arethusa

I don't think so. Impeachment and conviction is the only answer. And I'm not sure how that would work with a Democratic Congress.

It wouldn't.

This had better not be like the Michelle Obama tape...

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Tell me about it.
The Redskins are trailing Detroit right now. Sad, sad, sad.

You really shouldn't need a tape. IT is no secret that Obama hung with the former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalid in Chicago before he decided to run for President. Now if only all my Jewish brethren would take their heads outa their asses.....

I just wrote to the Times, indicating (among other things) that news of their failure to release the tape is spreading globally.

WTG Tim Blair!

I just sent my e-mail demanding that the Times release the tape. However, I will not be holding my breath for it....This is unconscionable.

re: #42 MTF

Sam Zell is a pretty libertarian fellow, and has been a huge giver to GOP causes over the years and in this election cycle to McCain especially, and so I'd have thought he would want to see the tape released. He did give money to Obama in the primary cycle, but that's because he hates Hillary with a passion.

Moreover, the LAT has been in such ugly financial straits that one would think the Tribune Company, and Sam Zell (it's owner), would absolutely love to have an explosive exclusive to sell papers.

I doubt such a tape really exists.

Unless it's more profitable to except Soros' check.

re: #37 newsjunkie_ky

Charles and LGF brought down dan blather and he can bring down the laslimes. With our help getting this information out to everyone, maybe enough pressure will be put upon them.

I'm gonna attempt that sharing thing.

True about blather. But in this case it would not bring the LAT down to release the video. It would bring them some measure of respect....even if it took an effort to get them to do the right thing.

If someone beats them to the punch though, they can only blame themselves.

Mr. Wallsten:

I realize it's late in the game and you have an agenda but this is your country. This country and its people have nurtured you, provided for you, sheltered you and protected you. Do the right thing. Hand over the tape. It's the people's right to know. Or have you abandoned such notions as antiquated?

re: #35 jetprop

Heh..is it over the line to call the MSM "the evil empire" ?

No, not really? They've felt threatened for years by talk radio and the recent rise of blog news with the instant feed back that comes with it. I can see why Net Neutrality and the "Fairness" Doctrine has some appeal within many "progressive" circles.

OT- Have you ever seen a progressive circle? It's full of dents and twists, hardly round at all.

re: #42 MTF

Sam Zell is a pretty libertarian fellow, and has been a huge giver to GOP causes over the years and in this election cycle to McCain especially, and so I'd have thought he would want to see the tape released. He did give money to Obama in the primary cycle, but that's because he hates Hillary with a passion.

Moreover, the LAT has been in such ugly financial straits that one would think the Tribune Company, and Sam Zell (it's owner), would absolutely love to have an explosive exclusive to sell papers.

I doubt such a tape really exists.

Then why not come out with a declaration that he made the existence of that tape up?
Take one for the team, confess he's made it up out of thin air: the B0 campaign will reward him ...

Joe Namath on CBS and he is sober. Well that is more than I can say for myself?

If the New York Times is "Pravda on the Hudson", is the LA Times, "Pravda in the Pueblo*?

:^/

_{*A riff on Los Angeles' full name:
El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula}

Tried to sign up to buzzup but couldn't visually make out the code word.
Will try some of the others.

re: #45 wolfie

Tell me about it.
The Redskins are trailing Detroit right now. Sad, sad, sad.

The Detroit Lions can't disappoint me anymore, only surprise me.

re: #57 Idle Drifter

The Detroit Lions can't disappoint me anymore, only surprise me.

Sounds like the McCain campaign?

I posted a comment on the Peter Wallesten blog. It seems to take some time for a posting to get approved.

re: #44 DeathtotheSwiss

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

re: #50 asshander

I don't think they'll release it.

I encourage everyone to send a thoughtful, polite letter to the Times editors asking that this tape be released, on the grounds that it directly addresses issues which have become central to the campaign. I know it's difficult, but try not to veer off into demands, accusations and threats. That sort of thing is much more likely to trigger a "circle the wagons" approach than a more moderate expression of interest and concern. It also makes it harder to dismiss the requests as a tirade by a bunch of lunatics, which will surely be one response.

Also, note that this tape may contain nothing of interest - we simply don't know until it's seen. Be cautious about making it a centerpiece; it it turns out to be ambiguous or meaningless, too strong a position plays into the hands of the opposition. Let's see what's on the tape, by all means. But let's not rush to judgment without seeing it. We don't have the time to extract feet from mouths over this, so close to the election.

Of most interest would be the rumored attendance of Ayers and Company; it gives the lie to Obama's insistence that theirs was nothing more than a casual, inconsequential relationship when they keep showing up together at a variety of questionable venues. Obama's presence with Khalidi - perhaps not so much. Khalidi has covered his insanity and presented himself as a "moderate" for years; Big O will simply claim that he bought into this line, and that the current Khalidi is "not the Khalidi I thought I knew" - just like Rezko, Wright and Ayers all somehow bamboozled The Glowing One for decades while spewing vile hatred of the country just out of His earshot.

But until the tape is seen, all we can do is speculate. I'd be happier to have some proof of malfeasance.

Although a continuing refusal to make the tape public also doesn't look so hot.

If we generate enough of a buzz, they might be forced to release it.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

I'd like to ripe everything you just said apart. To bad it's all true.

There's more to the story....

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Don't they have a "readers' representative", an ombudsman that can be contacted as well?

re: #53 yma o hyd

Didn't the Times itself say it existed? In which case, either they were lying then or they are suppressing it now. Both are violations of the journalistic code.

If it is innocuous, release it. If it's not, it's their job to release it.

Palin is on C-SPAN now.

re: #49 Soona'

No question, Soros' checkbook might be an incentive. But Sam Zell is the kind of guy who would love to release the tape anyway! Get Soros to pay you to not release the tape and then do it anyway! Zell would love that particular two-fer.

Look, maybe there is a tape. If there is, I'd expect the LAT to release it before the election-- they'd be crazy not to.

At the least, I'd expect a few stories in their own paper about it's possible existence. Putting this out at the right moment would obviously increase it's already huge economic value to the LAT!

As Charles suggested earlier, spread the word through social networking sites, get people you know to post it on their blogs. With enough pressure, the Obama campaign would at least have to comment on it, and perhaps throw someone else under the bus...there are all kinds of possibilities.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

you are dead on KT. I have tried so hard to explain all of this to Obama supporters and the response is always the same: "so what, he's gonna lower taxes, fix health-care...and all the other lies"

There is a larger number of Americans that want socalism, and it sucks.

Red Skins 16
Lions 10

Playoffs?

re: #61 newsjunkie_ky

I don't think they'll release it.

Nor do I - the point is, they are shown to cover up something which they've had in their safe since April, in order to get B0 into the White House.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that tape had been sent by the Hilary Campaign.

re: #42 MTF

Sam Zell is a pretty libertarian fellow, and has been a huge giver to GOP causes over the years and in this election cycle to McCain especially, and so I'd have thought he would want to see the tape released. He did give money to Obama in the primary cycle, but that's because he hates Hillary with a passion.

Moreover, the LAT has been in such ugly financial straits that one would think the Tribune Company, and Sam Zell (it's owner), would absolutely love to have an explosive exclusive to sell papers.

I doubt such a tape really exists.

THe Chicago Tribune is way deep in the tank for Obama.
Todays edition was wall to wall praise for Obama & slams at McCain & Palin. They did an article on the miolitary vote to prove that Obama will do well with that segment. To prove it they interviewed an African American couple at Camp LeJune. Sold me.
Then editorial writers, Clarence Page & Steve Chapman did fawning stories about how awesome Obama is & how negative McCain & Palin are.
Another op/ed writer did a whole column on how she hopes that Granny lives to see Nov 4th.
Sam Zell is not running a very fair enterprise at the moment, so I do not see the tape becoming public.

re: #55 Spiny Norman

If the New York Times is "Pravda on the Hudson", is the LA Times, "Pravda in the Pueblo*?

:^/

_{*A riff on Los Angeles' full name:
El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula}

Why bother with Truth when you can have Trud?

re: #1 gunjam

Damn: Even the Aussies are on the LAT's deviousness!

Too bad you're not on to the deviousness of the DI.

re: #4 itellu3times

Of course there must be another copy! Let's find it.

Who gave LA times the tape in the first place?

re: #62 SixDegrees

I think it might do more good to start contacting other news organizations about this tape.

Odds are that there is more than just the one copy of it out there. If someone sent it to the reporter to hurt Obama in the Primary, odds are that it was sent out to more than one reporter in more than one news organization.

Nothing stings a news agency so much as being scooped by another.

If the LA Times thinks that someone else will publish it, they may try to rush it to press to make sure that they get the scoop insted of being scooped.

re: #55 Spiny Norman

If the New York Times is "Pravda on the Hudson", is the LA Times, "Pravda in the Pueblo*?

:^/

_{*A riff on Los Angeles' full name:
El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula}

I've seen my share of Devils in this Angel Town...

re: #67 arethusa

it's their job to release it.

You silly twit! That was in the days before Advocacy Journalism codified their Righteousness.

/do I REALLY need one?!?!

re: #70 stonemason

you are dead on KT. I have tried so hard to explain all of this to Obama supporters and the response is always the same: "so what, he's gonna lower taxes, fix health-care...and all the other lies"

There is a larger number of Americans that want socalism, and it sucks.

Many are just ignorant. They have no idea what socialism is. Change!

re: #48 CapeCoddah

I just sent my e-mail demanding that the Times release the tape. However, I will not be holding my breath for it....This is unconscionable.

I saw a still photo of Barack & Michelle seated with Khalidi at that event.
I can't remember where I saw it. It could actually have been the Chicago Tribune.

re: #70 stonemason

you are dead on KT. I have tried so hard to explain all of this to Obama supporters and the response is always the same: "so what, he's gonna lower taxes, fix health-care...and all the other lies"

There is a larger number of Americans that want socalism, and it sucks.

yup! we all just got to get out and vote against senator goverment. hope our thinkers can have one more vote than the liberal, hope, change, more taxes, spread the wealth, etc etc group.

Contact the Los Angeles Times and demand that they release this video.

Done!

re: #72 yma o hyd

Nor do I - the point is, they are shown to cover up something which they've had in their safe since April, in order to get B0 into the White House.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that tape had been sent by the Hilary Campaign.

If so, I hope one of the PUMAs released it. They had to have made a copy if it came from Clinton's campaign.
That's why I made the comment that LGF can bring them down by showing the laslimes for the biased 'reporting' they do/don't do.

No question- the Trib and the LAT are both deep in the tank for Nobama. But they have a chance to make a lot of money releasing this tape, for a company on the edge of failure. The owner has a strong incentive to release the tape.

re: #80 Soona'

Oh,no, these people know exactly what socialism is. They know that people who make money will pay more taxes so they do not have to pay any at all, they understand that healthcare will not be free, but will be paid for by working men and women, and they do not care, they want it, they do not want to pay for it or work for it, simple as that.

Some of these are intelligent people who feel that the guy next door is too dumb to get a job, so we all need to spread our wealth to him. Drives me nuts.

re: #81 opnion

I saw a still photo of Barack & Michelle seated with Khalidi at that event.
I can't remember where I saw it. It could actually have been the Chicago Tribune.

This would be the pic to which you refer, I think...
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

I am not sure what the relevance of all this is. I mean when when Israel was founded, Obama wasn't even born? And all you racists know none of this is gonna help Michelle's kid pay for college?

The tape sleeps with the fishes.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well said. Sad.

re: #64 Nevergiveup

Heh.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

True, but we're more than "pretty sure" it exists. The LA Times said very explicitly that they had a copy of the tape.

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Heh.

I agree with everything you said.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

Uh-huh...but I thought you didn't care if Obama is President?

I remain flummoxed by your non-voting stance.

re: #29 vapig

We will have the arm forces behind us, what will the socialist have, Bill Ayers?

re: #87 CapeCoddah

This would be the pic to which you refer, I think...
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

Thank you, that is the event, but I seem to recall a different angle, but I could be wrong

re: #44 DeathtotheSwiss

This had better not be like the Michelle Obama tape...

The LA Times said they have a copy of this tape. It exists.

It's nothing like the Michelle Obama tape, which was an out and out hoax by Larry Johnson's crew.

re: #89 SurferDoc

The tape sleeps with the fishes.

There you go.

Look, even if the LAT doesn't releast the tape, enough of a stink could be raised about it so that people will believe that BO has something to hide....which if he didn't then the realease of the tape wouldn't be a problem...but since the LAT refuses to release the tape, then there must be something really bad on the tape, otherwise they would release it....get the circular thought here?

re: #84 newsjunkie_ky

If so, I hope one of the PUMAs released it. They had to have made a copy if it came from Clinton's campaign.
That's why I made the comment that LGF can bring them down by showing the laslimes for the biased 'reporting' they do/don't do.

Although it is another nail in the coffin of their credibility, I doubt they much care at this point: when one has given over completely to Democrat political propaganda, things like "objectivity" and "journalistic integrity" become obstacles.

Boycott the Times' advertisers. That might get their attention.

Even if the tape does exit, and even if the LATimes releases it, do we really think it's going to have an effect on voters? Anyone who knows why they should be concerned over this incident has probably already made his decision, either going for McCain or rationalizing a vote for Obama. And any Obama supporter who doesn't, by now, know that Obama is hostile to Israel and friendly with terrorists, isn't likely either to know who Khalidi is, or what the significance of Obama's support for him represents. Besides, if Daley was there, then it gives Obama a lot of cover ("Hey! What's the big deal? Mayor Daley was there!") despite the fact that Daley's a complete tool as well.

I mean, don't get me wrong - I'd love nothing more than for a simple videotape to represent the 1 or 2 percentage points that pushes McCain over the edge, but I'm just not sure that something involving someone this obscure is, at this late date, going to make a difference.

re: #88 Nevergiveup

I am not sure what the relevance of all this is. I mean when when Israel was founded, Obama wasn't even born? And all you racists know none of this is gonna help Michelle's kid pay for college?

LOL

re: #80 Soona'

Yes, the real tragedy will most likely come from Obama's entitlement programs, taxes and the horrors of government run socialized medicine. The damage to the economy can be repaired after he leaves office but something like socialized medicine (if it passes) will be a monkey on our back for generations.

Well. On the off-chance the tape is explosive, I'm writing a letter. And, I'm sending a copy to Haley Barbour. Zell is a giver to his personal PAC. Maybe he can lob in a phone call!

re: #102 nyc redneck

LOL

You know all of us NY metropolitan lizards should get together election day and night to celebrate or drink our selves sick?

re: #95 FIVEOFNINE

We will have the arm forces behind us, what will the socialist have, Bill Ayers?

Sorry, but whoever is Commander-in-Chief will have the armed forces behind him. That includes the possibility of a 47 year old Marxist with no executive and no military experience commanding the most deadly military to ever exist.

re: #92 Charles

True, but we're more than "pretty sure" it exists. The LA Times said very explicitly that they had a copy of the tape.

This video would be very useful in convincing Jewish voters about the dangers of Obama.

There is more than one copy. Those committed to ideologies such as Socialism cannot resist making copies and sharing them with fellow believers. If the LA Times does not release the video someone else will. It is just a matter of time.

re: #99 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Look, even if the LAT doesn't releast the tape, enough of a stink could be raised about it so that people will believe that BO has something to hide....which if he didn't then the realease of the tape wouldn't be a problem...but since the LAT refuses to release the tape, then there must be something really bad on the tape, otherwise they would release it....get the circular thought here?

I wonder if FOX news would report any of this. Even if the tapes are not released.

"Even if the tape does EXIST..."

re: #74 David IV of Georgia

Why bother with Truth when you can have Trud?

Why bother with Truth when you can have Troof^TM?

I have an employee who's very pro-O, and she was looking glum, so I asked her what she was down about; on TV, he looks like the winner.
She said: I'm worried that they are going to steal it from him.

re: #88 Nevergiveup

I am not sure what the relevance of all this is. I mean when when Israel was founded, Obama wasn't even born? And all you racists know none of this is gonna help Michelle's kid pay for college?

I've seen convincing proof that Carter was unaware that Hitler even existed, due to the year of his birth.

The releasre: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

There is the undecided voters, about 12% that could be swayed.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Yes, the real tragedy will most likely come from Obama's entitlement programs, taxes and the horrors of government run socialized medicine. The damage to the economy can be repaired after he leaves office but something like socialized medicine (if it passes) will be a monkey on our back for generations.

You won't be able to correct the thousands of dead Americans from a terrorist attack or from a civil war that resulted from weapons confiscation. I doubt seriously we could ever recover the competitive advantage lost when the rest of our manufacturers and intellectual property find more prosperous tax codes in Ireland either.

re: #100 Spiny Norman

Boycott the Times' advertisers. That might get their attention.

Anyone with a recent copy want to list their advertisers? I'm guessing they're not all the same as on the website.

re: #106 Sol Roth

Sorry, but whoever is Commander-in-Chief will have the armed forces behind him. That includes the possibility of a 47 year old Marxist with no executive and no military experience commanding the most deadly military to ever exist.

BUT! Everyone in the military takes a solomn oath to defend and protect the US Constitution as well as the country.

Even if released the tape will not be seen by the people who need to see it. The MSM will bury it. Youtube will take it down after CAIR whines.

The only people who will see it, understand it and care are already voting for MCain/Palin.

re: #112 FightingBack

I have an employee who's very pro-O, and she was looking glum, so I asked her what she was down about; on TV, he looks like the winner.
She said: I'm worried that they are going to steal it from him.

The Obama campaign must be prepping its supporters for a loss. Get ready for tantrum toss like you have never seen before.

re: #114 born again republican

The releas

There is the undecided voters, about 12% that could be swayed.

What the fu..ck are they waiting for?

re: #105 Nevergiveup

You know all of us NY metropolitan lizards should get together election day and night to celebrate or drink our selves sick?

great idea.
how abt. celebrate A VICTORY and drink but NOT get sick.

Done! God bless America and may we retain our right to free speech!

re: #121 nyc redneck

great idea.
how abt. celebrate A VICTORY and drink but NOT get sick.

Sounds great to me. How do we set it up?

re: #119 Syrah

The Obama campaign must be prepping its supporters for a loss. Get ready for tantrum toss like you have never seen before.

I suspect they have a full menu of ways to destroy this country.

Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that all this attention will result in the accidental misplacement or destruction of this tape?

"whoah, I have no idea how it got to the bottom of a trash compactor...covered with magnets. That's weird!"

re: #118 SurferDoc

Even if released the tape will not be seen by the people who need to see it. The MSM will bury it. Youtube will take it down after CAIR whines.

The only people who will see it, understand it and care are already voting for MCain/Palin.

We should still try.

We can all see a thousand ways it will not work. What we may not see is the handful of ways that it will.

re: #89 SurferDoc

The tape sleeps with the fishes.

I agree. If he had the tape, why wouldn't he have destroyed it by now to prevent it from being seen?

re: #112 FightingBack

I have an employee who's very pro-O, and she was looking glum, so I asked her what she was down about; on TV, he looks like the winner.
She said: I'm worried that they are going to steal it from him.

The irony is incredible. Acorn & others are busily out trying to steal the election for Barry & his supporters think that the theft is on the other side.
If McCain pulls this out, the screaming of theft will collapse eardrums, but so what?

After this election, when asked how MSM manipulate its audience, Peter Wallsten's refusal to release this tape could be easily an exhibit "A" – because it’s too obvious and too easy and clear-cut to grasp.

re: #81 opnion

This one?

re: #115 Sol Roth

There won't be a civil war but there's going to be an increased chance of terrorism once Obama restricts surveillance on terrorism suspects. I think the Jihadis will wait 'till Obama lightens up before they try something big. Maybe a year or so after he takes office.

Fired off my email...

LA Times,

Do you wonder why readership is down for newspapers? Withholding information showing biased tendencies towards a specific agenda might have something to do with it. How about releasing the tape of Nominee Barack Obama appearing with and being praised by Rashid Khalidi? Show some integrity and neutrality like you know, you are supposed to do.

Dan Munson

re: #80 Soona'

Many are just ignorant. They have no idea what socialism is. Change!

Socialism sounds great at first: All those rich people are gonna pass out all their money to the poor folks. But there are problems:

In the movie Bruce Almighty several thousand people all won the lottery. Instead of getting millions, they all got something like $26. All this "rich people" money is going to be divided up among millions of people, it won't be that much in the long run. There are vastly more poor people than rich people—this will hurt rich people far more than it helps the poor.

Once the rich people realize that all their money is being taken away, they have no incentive to keep making all that money and many will no longer bother to do so. More and more of the less affluent will have to be taxed to make up he difference.

Poor people will have little incentive to try harder or do more because the money comes in regardless. The rich and those who strive to be rich no longer have an incentive to bother because they know if they are successful, all their earnings end up going to the government. The Soviet workers became skilled at making it look on paper like they were working hard while in reality they goofed-off.

re: #120 Nevergiveup

What the fu..ck are they waiting for?

More Free Stuff!

These are the people who have a slightly higher sales price.

/I guess I am a little cynical about "undecideds".

Boycott the Times' advertisers. That might get their attention.

I already boycott Hamas.

See what I did there?

re: #121 nyc redneck

great idea.
how abt. celebrate A VICTORY and drink but NOT get sick.

**waving arm - not a fan of being sick**

Only 7 diggs on this? Come on, Lizards- we can do better than that.

Done.
This election I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

Pets for Obama

re: #117 Soona'

BUT! Everyone in the military takes a solomn oath to defend and protect the US Constitution as well as the country.

How many of today's 18 year olds know what the Constitution says? Where in our culture is it even mandatory to read it once?

Surely more who understand it are over-represented by those who volunteer for the Armed Forces, but don't you think it still only represents a parchment barrier to tyranny when a government is taken over by Socialists?

OT:

"Electing Barack Obama to the presidency would have catastrophic consequences to our country, and our freedom, far beyond the consequences to our economy."

-Vacuum Technology & Coating (Turn to page 16 for the full 5-page editorial - it's actually a pretty good editorial!)

(h/t Tim Blair)

re: #2 Globular Cluster

"GIRD YOUR LOINS!"

If I wear a kilt, with an appropriate tartan pattern, does that mean my loin's are gridded?

Assuming the tape really exists, who and what is on the tape?

More specifically, who is saying something they would really rather not have said?

I'm guessing that it's more than just an Obama-Ayres-Khalidi Hamas-Hisballah fest, and Obama, Ayres, and possible some other important people are spealing political-career-ending words and doing political-career-ending things.

Is there a chance that the LATimes will take the risk and publish an edited version?

My guess is that there are other versions waiting, and if the LATimes does not release the complete, unedited tape, and soon, then someone else will.

.
To the newsmedia industry in general (we all know you're reading, 'cause your editors need a "sugar-coated" briefing, sans hard, unvarnished truths): you've spent the last couple of decades inventing and enforcing the right known as "The Public's Right To Know".

Okay, now it's your turn to adhere to this right.

.
To the LATimes (from me, again): publish the tape, complete and unedited, quickly, before someone else does.

re: #128 opnion

Cognitive dissonance on steroids. An incurable libral friend is not crazy about the Obama, but she is absolutely certain that ANYTHING truthful that implicates the Demonrats is right wing propaganda. Even insinuated that I may have inbibed in the koolaide when I showed her on video that the Dems were totally oblivious to the mortgage meltdown.Completely and frighteningly irrational.

My Psychic Prediction of the Day:

Tape gets 'accidentally wiped' in 3 . . . . 2 . . . . . 1 . . .

re: #126 Syrah

We should still try.

We can all see a thousand ways it will not work. What we may not see is the handful of ways that it will.

Making a moral appeal to people who have no morals? I won't say "don't try" but do realize that you are dealing with people that think screwing McCain is a "higher calling".

Where are the ethical moral values of all these people who are covering up in order to help him get elected?

If they honestly believe that he is kind of person that MOST Americans want as president, they would have no need to cover up or whitewash his past.

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I wear a kilt, with an appropriate tartan pattern, does that mean my loin's are gridded?

[Link: www.slate.com...]

re: #120 Nevergiveup

What the fu..ck are they waiting for?

Oh, you know. Neither candidate has addressed the declining nutritional value of hamster food and you know, until I hear where they stand on that issue, then, you know, I just can't deal with a decision just yet.

re: #130 Sprite

As I ecall the photo that I saw had a full profile of Michelle.
It must not have been her good side, cause you know, I'm sure that the other side is just awesome!

re: #145 TimO

My Psychic Prediction of the Day:

Tape gets 'accidentally wiped' in 3 . . . . 2 . . . . . 1 . . .

The MSM is so petty, I'd put up good money that, just out of spite, they'd release it with the key 18½ minutes missing.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Yes, the real tragedy will most likely come from Obama's entitlement programs, taxes and the horrors of government run socialized medicine. The damage to the economy can be repaired after he leaves office but something like socialized medicine (if it passes) will be a monkey on our back for generations.

I'm a doctor. NY State called me last week to remind me that I hadn't signed up for a State sponsored course that teaches how to submit a certain type of medical data about patients, from my private office, to the State. The submission of this data will not be voluntary for the patients nor the docs. They do control my license, you know. I signed up for Nov 5.

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Not going to click it. Not going to click it. Not going to click it.

Benjamin Franklin warned:

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It"

Well, we had a nice run. 1776-2008

re: #151 gmsc

The MSM is so petty, I'd put up good money that, just out of spite, they'd release it with the key 18½ minutes missing on November 5th.

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's really stupid. Don't say I didn't warn you.

re: #92 Charles

If the LA Times had no intention of releasing the tape, I wonder why they even disclosed and confirmed that they had it?

What was their motive in doing that?

re: #144 vagabond trader

Cognitive dissonance on steroids. An incurable libral friend is not crazy about the Obama, but she is absolutely certain that ANYTHING truthful that implicates the Demonrats is right wing propaganda. Even insinuated that I may have inbibed in the koolaide when I showed her on video that the Dems were totally oblivious to the mortgage meltdown.Completely and frighteningly irrational.

Willfully ignorant.

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Oh, crap. I clicked it.

re: #157 Nancy

If the LA Times had no intention of releasing the tape, I wonder why they even disclosed and confirmed that they had it?

What was their motive in doing that?

To piss us off

re: #150 opnion

I see I was late in providing that same shot. :( It's the only one I recall like it, but I'll browse around a bit more.

re: #160 Nevergiveup

To piss us off

it's worked!

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Pets for Obama

I swear, if I catch my dog doing a video for Obama she will be on half rations.

Have I mention the Jets suck today?

re: #163 opnion

I swear, if I catch my dog doing a video for Obama she will be on half rations.

Only newborn puppies are democrats. Then their eyes open.

re: #163 opnion

Funny thing is that the Obama does not have a pet and apparently not an animal lover. Interesting.

re: #164 Nevergiveup

Have I mention the Jets suck today?

sorry

re: #163 opnion

I swear, if I catch my dog doing a video for Obama she will be on half rations.

If you do that, keep your bedroom door lock tonight?

re: #146 SurferDoc

Making a moral appeal to people who have no morals? I won't say "don't try" but do realize that you are dealing with people that think screwing McCain is a "higher calling".

We can still stoke their doubts.

Most will not be persuaded, but to even win one or two is move in the right direction.

They can't all be crazy, even it seems at times that they are trying to convince us that they are.

re: #152 FightingBack

I'm still not sure about the political reality of it ever passing through even a Dem congress. A few months ago I would have guessed there was no chance. Today, I'm not so sure.
There seems to be no real healthcare debate in this country. I find it really surprising that so many people are willing to sign on the a European or Canadian style system without knowing how it works. The MSM isn't talking about it, the public doesn't seem curious and McCain only gives it an occasional 2 sentence sound bite. Oh, well.

Who can be paid to release the tape?

re: #161 Sprite

I see I was late in providing that same shot. :( It's the only one I recall like it, but I'll browse around a bit more.

Ya know maybe I just remember it wrong. The point is that the Obamas were there supporing this thug.

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only newborn puppies are democrats. Then their eyes open.

Well, the neutered ones are up there as well.

re: #167 sattv4u2

sorry

Point taken

re: #127 gregg

I agree. If he had the tape, why wouldn't he have destroyed it by now to prevent it from being seen?

Maybe there are people on it who are potential blackmailees.

re: #154 Opinionated

Never quit.

re: #158 debutaunt

Yes and when she sighed that things cannot get worse I offerred to take her temp.

re: #163 opnion

I'm pretty sure one of my cats is a Paulian. The other one seems non-political.

Anyone wonder that if we know about the existence of this tape - and yetit is still being suppressed- what is being suppressed about Obama that we are not yet aware even exists.

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only newborn puppies are democrats. Then their eyes open.

Cats know better even with their eyes closed!

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only newborn puppies are democrats. Then their eyes open.

Your right, my dog would never do it!

re: #140 Sol Roth

How many of today's 18 year olds know what the Constitution says? Where in our culture is it even mandatory to read it once?

Surely more who understand it are over-represented by those who volunteer for the Armed Forces, but don't you think it still only represents a parchment barrier to tyranny when a government is taken over by Socialists?

Our school system has been infiltrated by revisionists, activists and leftists. They have no concern with the rule of law, just Instrumentalism of the law. We all heard Obama's comments on how he sees the constitution as a living deocument which has to "keep up with the times".

This is absurd and shows a lack of respect for and faith in the core principles the Constitution stands for, but it's what Barry believes and what he taught his students as a "constitutional law" professor.

Hey KT, what were you looking for when you found that Pets for (he who must not be named)?

My cat worships me, his mama, a most unfeline-like character.

"Thank you for your e-mail to the readers' representative office of the
Los Angeles Times. Our office is here for readers who have questions or
concerns about journalistic standards and practices in The Times news
coverage, or who believe that The Times has made an error."

Busy office, I'll bet, what with worrying about standards and practices as well as errors! Anyway, I'll keep mailing and suggest everyone else does too.

There is plenty of money to be made here, LAT! Don't lose sight of that very pertinent fact. You really need the dough, after all.

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Sounds great to me. How do we set it up?

crap, i just realized i won't even be in the city on election day. i vote upstate and will be back on the 5th. unless the national guard is patrolling the streets.
would love to arrange a meet up tho. do you get to manhattan often?

re: many Americans wanting socialism ...

Many do -- the Sixties Children, for instance.

Many more simply want a free lunch.

Back in the 80's, just after the government took starch blockers off the market (sorry, can't nail down a precise date), William Raspberry wrote a column titled "There's still no free lunch". (I have a photocopy. The column doesn't appear to be posted for-free on the Web. Rats!)

His point was that many want to separate consequences from actions. I'll risk copyright infringement by typing two paragraphs.

Forget all the conservative and neo-conservative complaints about welfare, for instance. The real trouble with welfare is that it is an attempt to block the consequences of improvident behavior. I'm not talking about the disabled. I'm talking about those who dropped out of school when their contemporaries kept at it and, as a result, haven't the skills to obtain well-paid work.

He closed with:

Thomas Aquinas looked for a consequence without a triggering action and called it God. We look for action without consequences and call it heaven.

Ever since I first heard of Obama being called the Messiah, I've been thinking of Raspberry's closing paragraph.

OT

RE: 'US helicopter raid' 22 questionable reporting agencies so far.

re: #160 Nevergiveup

To piss us off

It is the arrogance of the Progressive Left. Their attitude is "By any means possible!"
It's right out of the Marxist playbook.
The Left Lies!

Democratic congress lied! Millions of South-East Asians died!
Democrats lied! My 401K died!

As Obama LIES!
American Freedom dies!

re: #184 vagabond trader

My cat worships me, his mama, a most unfeline-like character.

Your cat worships you? What's your secret? Mine tolerates me for my opposable thumbs.

re: #186 nyc redneck

crap, i just realized i won't even be in the city on election day. i vote upstate and will be back on the 5th. unless the national guard is patrolling the streets.
would love to arrange a meet up tho. do you get to manhattan often?

Usually only when I get lost or for funerals, but i make exceptions?

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was looking to see if Palin corrected her stupid fruit fly comment from the other day. No correction yet. Oddly enough, that Pets for Obama site shows up on Google News. Too bad LGF can't get listed there.

re: #140 Sol Roth

How many of today's 18 year olds know what the Constitution says? Where in our culture is it even mandatory to read it once?

Surely more who understand it are over-represented by those who volunteer for the Armed Forces, but don't you think it still only represents a parchment barrier to tyranny when a government is taken over by Socialists?

In your comment, you only mentioned control of the military. I'm saying that even though many can't recite the US Constitution, they know enough about the concept that they can see when it's being threatened. Also many of the commanders and other officers (as well as enlisted) have a duty to not follow orders if those orders go against what is constitutionally correct.

re: #166 vagabond trader

Funny thing is that the Obama does not have a pet and apparently not an animal lover. Interesting.

While the McCains have four dogs. Honestly, I just don't trust someone who doesn't like animals.

re: #182 RedVoter

Our school system has been infiltrated by revisionists, activists and leftists. They have no concern with the rule of law, just Instrumentalism of the law. We all heard Obama's comments on how he sees the constitution as a living deocument which has to "keep up with the times".

This is absurd and shows a lack of respect for and faith in the core principles the Constitution stands for, but it's what Barry believes and what he taught his students as a "constitutional law" professor.

9th graders in my Western PA school district study the Constituion and its amendments in Civics. When I taught 10th grade, my students studied the Declaration of Independence, comparing it to its earlier drafts and evalutating its rhetoric. Don't sell our students short.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, the difference is that this is a Pro-Obama reporter that has the tape, so we're pretty sure it exists. There's very little chance he will release it and there's very little chance the public would care if he did. Everybody knows he's a friend of Ayers, everybody knows he attended Wright's sermons. This stuff is expected from the left, they idolize leftist and Palestinian terrorists. That's why Che shirts are so popular. They've managed to mainstream radicalism.

I agree. This is all pretty fruitless. A game-changer at this point is hard to even conceptualize. Not that I think King Acorn necessarily has the votes to win just because his thralls have all made a mockery of the polling system.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure one of my cats is a Paulian. The other one seems non-political.

Yeah but the Paulian cat is of good will, believing that Ron Paul is the only man that can save America.

re: #108 Piglet-U93

There is more than one copy. Those committed to ideologies such as Socialism cannot resist making copies and sharing them with fellow believers. If the LA Times does not release the video someone else will. It is just a matter of time.

Time's running out - thats what the B0 campaign relies on!

Also - the point is the cover-up.

They basically suppressed this tape since April - why?

As always - its the cover-up which is more damaging than the misdeed.

re: #196 Salem

Hey Salem! How's it goin?

re: #197 opnion

She's also paranoid and craps on the floor.
/Ron Paul!

re: #200 Killgore Trout

She's also paranoid and craps on the floor.
/Ron Paul!

two more things she has in common with the Paulster

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Pets for Obama

lol!

re: #170 Killgore Trout

With my patients (and I am in an affluent area) costs trumps all. They can't wait for it to be free. And they assume that the Govt can force us to provide the same quality. Ok, maybe I will stand up for my ethical position. But what's to make my appointment secretary show up for work without a paycheck? It'll be a little tough calling in, and the days will become swamps of unscheduled sick, coughing in the (unheated) waiting room...

re: #118 SurferDoc

Even if released the tape will not be seen by the people who need to see it. The MSM will bury it. Youtube will take it down after CAIR whines.

The only people who will see it, understand it and care are already voting for MCain/Palin.

Its not about the tape - we can and should ask what is so damaging about this tape that it is being sat on since April.

What has B0 to hide?
Thats the question we need to ask.
It will help to convert the undecided.
Every vote counts!

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Salem! How's it goin?

Well enough. How are you?

You saw the Obama machine's reaction to WFTV's Barbara West interview with Biden- and this is before they have power.

Maybe the LA Times has reason to reasonably believe they have more to fear from an Obama Administration then from anything the public will say.

re: #201 sattv4u2

two more things she has in common with the Paulster

And my mother in law who has Alzheimer's. And she lives with us!

re: #198 yma o hyd

Time's running out - thats what the B0 campaign relies on!

Also - the point is the cover-up.

They basically suppressed this tape since April - why?

As always - its the cover-up which is more damaging than the misdeed.

That's a good approach for the email campaign to the other news agencies.

"What is it about the tape that is so damaging? Why would the LA Times want to cover it up?"

Prick their curiosity.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

There won't be a civil war but there's going to be an increased chance of terrorism once Obama restricts surveillance on terrorism suspects. I think the Jihadis will wait 'till Obama lightens up before they try something big. Maybe a year or so after he takes office.

I can't remember who said it, but I keep hearing the figure of 100% chance that a "major city" will be hit with a low yield nuke or RDD in the next ten years. If not here, then most assuredly a foreign asset (embassy) will get destroyed once the enemy reconstitutes under Obama.

The memory of Waco still burns down here in Texas. People are pissed off that the Socialist Party's manchurian has even gotten this far. Outside of Travis county, Texans (and many yellow dogs) despise most of what our leftist culture is spewing through the Media & Hollywood. There is an ideological "culture war," only here people take it seriously as evidenced by the number of home schoolers, religious enclaves & megachurches, and gun owners (the kind who stock pallets of ammo). This is a State where 20 million people own land; 96% of the land is privately owned. We are NOT collectivists.

The DNC could degrade our defense capability in four years, but they can pass unconstitutional laws and enforce them in a matter of months. Texans are readying themselves for a fight and will not tolerate any form of weapons confiscation, period.

re: #190 arethusa

We saved his pitiful butt, and he knows it. Some enlightened students at a local university had abused and abandoned him at the end of the semester.He's not terribly bright, but a sweet little butterball now.Drools and the nose runs when I pet him, lol.

I'm really confused about a newpaper holding something like this. Is it because they plan on turning on him the day after the election? This just boggles my brains.

I truly believe that the MSM has an agenda and is biased toward the left. But, first and foremost, I think they are people eating machines.

re: #191 Nevergiveup

Usually only when I get lost or for funerals, but i make exceptions?

lol, ok. i do know some patriots here. and am meeting more thru a friend who is active in the republican party. we have had some fun get togethers.
i'll keep you posted.

re: #42 MTF

Sam Zell is a pretty libertarian fellow, and has been a huge giver to GOP causes over the years and in this election cycle to McCain especially, and so I'd have thought he would want to see the tape released. He did give money to Obama in the primary cycle, but that's because he hates Hillary with a passion.

Moreover, the LAT has been in such ugly financial straits that one would think the Tribune Company, and Sam Zell (it's owner), would absolutely love to have an explosive exclusive to sell papers.

I doubt such a tape really exists.

Sam Zell also owns the Chicago Tribune. He has turned that paper into one giant suckfest for Obama. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad. Chicagoans who get their news from the Tribune have NO IDEA what kind of terrible candidate Obama is.

re: #184 vagabond trader

My cat worships me, his mama, a most unfeline-like character.

No! I'm not going to ask.

re: #203 FightingBack

With my patients (and I am in an affluent area) costs trumps all. They can't wait for it to be free. And they assume that the Govt can force us to provide the same quality. Ok, maybe I will stand up for my ethical position. But what's to make my appointment secretary show up for work without a paycheck? It'll be a little tough calling in, and the days will become swamps of unscheduled sick, coughing in the (unheated) waiting room...

Yeah, I got patients who drive up in their jag's and then ask for the senior citizen discount.

I was "privileged" to be stuck in a conversation with a Paulian this morning. He did say something about probably voting for McCain, but after that he sounded a bit irrational. My eyes glazed over when he talked about bringing all our military back into the 50 states. I grew catatonic when he spoke of impeaching Bush...then the door opened and I made a break for it. In the parking lot he saw me heading to my car and stepped in my way and began the conversation right where it had broken off.

Does this cause permanent brain damage, or will the vertigo and nausea pass in a few days?

re: #212 nyc redneck

lol, ok. i do know some patriots here. and am meeting more thru a friend who is active in the republican party. we have had some fun get togethers.
i'll keep you posted.

How far upsate do you vote?

re: #160 Nevergiveup

OK...........

I just wondered why since we only have their WORD for what is on the tape, why an Obama supporter would come out and say it contained "Jew Bashing."

re: #182 RedVoter

Our school system has been infiltrated by revisionists, activists and leftists. They have no concern with the rule of law, just Instrumentalism of the law. We all heard Obama's comments on how he sees the constitution as a living deocument which has to "keep up with the times".

This is absurd and shows a lack of respect for and faith in the core principles the Constitution stands for, but it's what Barry believes and what he taught his students as a "constitutional law" professor.

The way that the Constitution keeps up with the times is through the Amendment Process, not Liberal judicial tortured reasoning.
The Founding Fathers are often looked at as bad people because of Slavery. Booker T Washington gets better pub than George Washington.

I sent the story to the admin at the hillary clinton forum. Those people know how to use the networking.

Heh. Phone call from another cousin in Bolivia. A few of my relatives down there thought Obama was pretty nifty when he first popped up.
Now they're starting to panic. Please, please don't vote for that man. Please, please tell your friends not to vote for that man.

I suspect there are more than a few Colombians, not to mention Venezuelans & Ecuadorians, who feel the same way. I mean the ones who don't want to be ruled by thugs.

re: #217 Nevergiveup

How far upsate do you vote?

pretty far.

re: #200 Killgore Trout

She's also paranoid and craps on the floor.
/Ron Paul!

Hmmm, she sounds progressive.

LIFE magazine hid the Zapruder film for over a decade, so Obama, being the mocha JFK LBJ, should have no problem managing his MSM allies to make the tape vanish.

re: #216 David IV of Georgia

Go out and stand on a DART line. It might take that to end the pain.

/hiyah!

re: #222 nyc redneck

pretty far.

Well still, it's NY State so it's kinda a lost vote. My daughters at School in Binghampton.

re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom

9th graders in my Western PA school district study the Constituion and its amendments in Civics. When I taught 10th grade, my students studied the Declaration of Independence, comparing it to its earlier drafts and evalutating its rhetoric. Don't sell our students short.

I'm not selling the students short, I am selling the teachers short. And Western PA is a pretty conservative area, so the school system may still be pure. but it is without a doubt the public school system in general, and especially the Universities, are institutions of left wing propaganda.

Parents send their kids off to school, and the teachers they pay send them back as Cynics, Expatriots and atheists.

In September 2004, LA Times reporter Peter Wallsten tried his best to discredit bloggers who exposed Dan Rather’s fraudulent memos, insinuating that the whole thing was a Republican plot: Mainstream Media Gets Their Smear On.

re: #209 Sol Roth

Correction:
Is a state of 20 million and 96% of the land is privately owned.

pimf, pimf, PIMF!

OT: Yesterday's IBD/TIPP poll, re-weighted with 2004 partisan turnout numbers:

Obama: 44.59%
McCain: 43.66%

If this is valid (and it might not be, caveat lector), Nov. 4 may really come down to turnout.

OT: Obama followers vandalize homes in Gainesville

"Twenty-five residents of a Gainesville neighborhood woke up this morning to discover their homes had been spray-painted with an obscene comment about the 2008 presidential race. Several businesses were hit as well.

“This is clear voter intimidation,” Corey A. Stewart, At-Large Chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, said. “The residents targeted by these hoodlums all had McCain for President yard signs in their front yards.”

“Having your home defaced with obscenity because of political beliefs is a hate crime” Stewart said, “This is terrorizing the community.”

“Voter intimidation will not be tolerated in Prince William County. The residents notified the police. I am asking our Commonwealth’s Attorney to investigate. I will seek state and federal investigations as well. Prince William County must be safe for freedom of speech. If we can catch the reprobate who did this, we’ll prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.”

Stewart added: “We’ve had ACORN and other nuts kicking around down here in Prince William for weeks. I suppose this was bound to happen eventually. But we won’t stand for it."

(Pictures, including foul language, available at link)

I'm have no doubt The Los Angeles Times will release the tape...

...On Nov. 5th.

re: #203 FightingBack

With my patients (and I am in an affluent area) costs trumps all. They can't wait for it to be free. And they assume that the Govt can force us to provide the same quality. Ok, maybe I will stand up for my ethical position. But what's to make my appointment secretary show up for work without a paycheck? It'll be a little tough calling in, and the days will become swamps of unscheduled sick, coughing in the (unheated) waiting room...

I'll say it again. If anyone wants to know what nationalized health care would look like, then they should go to the waiting room of their nearest VA hospital on a Monday morning.

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really confused about a newpaper holding something like this. Is it because they plan on turning on him the day after the election? This just boggles my brains.

I truly believe that the MSM has an agenda and is biased toward the left. But, first and foremost, I think they are people eating machines.

I think that a fair number of the people who call themselves journalist look to John Reed as the ideal for their profession.

People eaters they may be, but they have would eat some more than others.

re: #206 Opinionated

You saw the Obama machine's reaction to WFTV's Barbara West interview with Biden- and this is before they have power.

Maybe the LA Times has reason to reasonably believe they have more to fear from an Obama Administration then from anything the public will say.

Then ought they not to do all they can to prevent him getting into the White House?

Whats going on here - have they all swallowed their own kool-aid?

I can't believe the Chiefs are really gonna beat the Jets. Been nice knowing ya Manginni!

re: #197 opnion

Yeah but the Paulian cat is of good will, believing that Ron Paul is the only man that can save America.

one of my cats is definitely an O-Bot. I can't let him outside because he'd walk up to a racoon without preconditions and get his face torn off.

re: #210 vagabond trader

Aaaawwww!

re: #208 Syrah

That's a good approach for the email campaign to the other news agencies.

"What is it about the tape that is so damaging? Why would the LA Times want to cover it up?"

Prick their curiosity.

Indeed!

re: #237 RedVoter

one of my cats is definitely an O-Bot. I can't let him outside because he'd walk up to a racoon without preconditions and get his face torn off.

LOL!

re: #227 RedVoter

I'm not selling the students short, I am selling the teachers short. And Western PA is a pretty conservative area, so the school system may still be pure. but it is without a doubt the public school system in general, and especially the Universities, are institutions of left wing propaganda.

Parents send their kids off to school, and the teachers they pay send them back as Cynics, Expatriots and atheists.

Not all of us,

re: #216 David IV of Georgia

I find that a nice single malt scotch clears out the contamination of such an encounter.

re: #209 Sol Roth

I can't remember who said it, but I keep hearing the figure of 100% chance that a "major city" will be hit with a low yield nuke or RDD in the next ten years. If not here, then most assuredly a foreign asset (embassy) will get destroyed once the enemy reconstitutes under Obama.

The memory of Waco still burns down here in Texas. People are pissed off that the Socialist Party's manchurian has even gotten this far. Outside of Travis county, Texans (and many yellow dogs) despise most of what our leftist culture is spewing through the Media & Hollywood. There is an ideological "culture war," only here people take it seriously as evidenced by the number of home schoolers, religious enclaves & megachurches, and gun owners (the kind who stock pallets of ammo). This is a State where 20 million people own land; 96% of the land is privately owned. We are NOT collectivists.

The DNC could degrade our defense capability in four years, but they can pass unconstitutional laws and enforce them in a matter of months. Texans are readying themselves for a fight and will not tolerate any form of weapons confiscation, period.

Your brothers in Oklahoma are right there with ya'.

re: #220 Sharmuta

I sent the story to the admin at the hillary clinton forum. Those people know how to use the networking.

Excellent!

Especially if that tape really came originally from the Hillary Campaign.

Sarah on FOX

re: #220 Sharmuta

good idea. ty.

re: #230 arethusa

OT: Yesterday's IBD/TIPP poll, re-weighted with 2004 partisan turnout numbers:

Obama: 44.59%
McCain: 43.66%

If this is valid (and it might not be, caveat lector), Nov. 4 may really come down to turnout.

Elections always come down to turnout.

Funny- I was thinking of the Simpsons episode last night where Bart is running for student president against Martin the nerd, and everyone in the class is supportive of Bart, but only two votes are cast by Martin and his friend. This made me wonder if polls showing 0bama with double digit leads might cause 0bama supporters to stay home, thinking there's no need to vote because 0bama is so far ahead. No wonder some of the polls have come back down to a close range. Can't have the base stay home thinking they've already won.

re: #216 David IV of Georgia

I was "privileged" to be stuck in a conversation with a Paulian this morning. He did say something about probably voting for McCain, but after that he sounded a bit irrational. My eyes glazed over when he talked about bringing all our military back into the 50 states. I grew catatonic when he spoke of impeaching Bush...then the door opened and I made a break for it. In the parking lot he saw me heading to my car and stepped in my way and began the conversation right where it had broken off.

Does this cause permanent brain damage, or will the vertigo and nausea pass in a few days?

You may have to be quarantined.

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really confused about a newpaper holding something like this. Is it because they plan on turning on him the day after the election? This just boggles my brains.

I truly believe that the MSM has an agenda and is biased toward the left. But, first and foremost, I think they are people eating machines.

They can screw McCain with it now by withholding it and screw Obama later by releasing it. Perfect.

re: #244 yma o hyd

With any luck, they'll pick up the story and the PUMAs can help make it go viral.

re: #245 Nevergiveup

Sarah on FOX

Whoa. Obama's written his inaugural address already? Did I hear that right?

Anybody think that maybe Hillary has a copy for a nice nuclear October surprise? She dropped Ayers name last winter and the Repubs ran with it and still are. She planted the seed and may have this one in the bag.

re: #230 arethusa

OT: Yesterday's IBD/TIPP poll, re-weighted with 2004 partisan turnout numbers:

Obama: 44.59%
McCain: 43.66%

If this is valid (and it might not be, caveat lector), Nov. 4 may really come down to turnout.

If there's anyone left who hasn't voted already.

re: #238 arethusa

We grow big ole love pusses here.

re: #249 SurferDoc

They can screw McCain with it now by withholding it and screw Obama later by releasing it. Perfect.

Sounds like the perfect weekend date?

re: #249 SurferDoc

They can screw McCain with it now by withholding it and screw Obama later by releasing it. Perfect.

Kinda what I meant.

re: #228 Charles

(Damn! The Editor & Publisher link doesn't work anymore.)

It makes one wonder about why in th' hell Wallsten wrote the article about Obama and Khalidi in the first place. Was he so left-wing self-righteous that he thought it was wonderful news to be reporting?

re: #251 arethusa

Whoa. Obama's written his inaugural address already? Did I hear that right?

Yup

re: #225 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Go out and stand on a DART line. It might take that to end the pain.

/hiyah!

I'll just wait for a waterspout on lake Ray Hubbard—how many waterspout suicides have there been? I'll vote first anyway.

re: #235 yma o hyd

Then ought they not to do all they can to prevent him getting into the White House?

Whats going on here - have they all swallowed their own kool-aid?

You know what they say, if you are going to attack the King The One, you damn better kill the King The One.

Maybe they fear the consequences of an unsuccessful attempt.