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Matthews Panel: Palin Not Qualified to Be VP, But...

Opinion | Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:25:14 pm PDT

According to Chris Matthews and his guests today, Sarah Palin is not qualified to be vice president—but in 2012 she’ll be a serious candidate for President.

Truth is, these kinds of pundits have no more grasp of current events (and no more authority to opine about them) than your average blog reader. Correction: they have less grasp of current events than your average blog reader.

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1 alexwest  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:26:42pm

I wish I could get a job like that!

2 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:26:45pm

What's up with Geraldine Ferraro these days?

3 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:26:55pm

Forget the media. I'm going out and voting on November 4th.

4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:02pm

And, BHO isn't qualified to be POTUS and guess what... he won't be in 2012, either.

Thanks for playing, Libs.

5 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:02pm

Did they mention that Joe Biden is also unqualified, considering how often he's wrong about stuff that matters?

6 winston06  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:16pm

I'd like to know Matthews and Olbermann's IQs

7 CynicalConservative  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:24pm

"Correction: they have less grasp of current events than your average blog reader."

What a great truth. Maybe a rotating title (if a bit long)

8 winston06  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:33pm

re: #4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

neither in 2016

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:27:43pm

re: #4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yeah, I wonder when Obama will be ready to run.

10 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:28:10pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

What's up with Geraldine Ferraro these days?

I don't think I saw this much of her even in 1984. She's on FOX News at least once a week.

Last I heard, she was refusing to announce who she would vote for.

11 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:28:11pm

Much less grasp than bloggers. I can think of at least 75 people here that would make Chris Matthews look like chopped liver.

Not that it would take much but you get my point.

12 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:29:17pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I wonder when Obama will be ready to run.

That sentence has so many possibilities.

13 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:29:28pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I wonder when Obama will be ready to run.

Never. His background automatically precludes that possibility. Or would for any other candidate.

14 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:29:39pm

And in 2012, Matthews and his idiotic ilk will try and destroy Palin again.

15 Rose Parade  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:29:43pm

So they agree with me that if elected, Obama will only be a one-term president?

At this point seeing eye to eye with the MSM types actually scares me. I don't want to have anything in common with them.

16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:30:19pm
17 politicalinsomniac  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:30:21pm

Whew - thanks for adding in that correction, Charles!

18 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #14 Wyatt Earp

Probably.

19 wright1  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:10pm

I think he is inviting her to run because he sees her as easy prey.

I wish I has something more profound than this but Chris Matthews is an in-the-tank, self-absorbed, low ratings wind-bag who has been bested by a sportscaster who happenes to be a certified lunatic as head of the political desk for MSM-LSD so I am having a real hard time taking him seriously...

20 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:19pm

The collective amount of common sense on that panel, if converted to BTUs couldn't light a candle.

21 18echo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:35pm

PBS (ack.. pfttt..) has a "Is Palin qualified to be Veep poll running..

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

Might be nice if someone other than the left responded..

18Echo

22 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:37pm

Palin/Jindal '12!
/

23 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:42pm

Sounds like Matthews was sitting on head today while talking out his ass again.

24 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:31:49pm

I don't get it.

So Palin isn't qualified so therefore McCain/Palin shouldn't win. So that means she goes back to what, being Governor of AK? Haven't they diminished AK as being worthless anyway? What makes them think that more time governing AK means anything, going by their line of thinking? Wouldn't she then theoretically be more groomed to be a Presidential nominee after being a VP for 8 (or 4) years?

Or am I just being logical?

25 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:32:20pm

sarah is very qualified to be v.p.
she, as gov. of alaska, has 24,000 people working under her.
her approval rating is 80%. who can match that.
she is a tuff, smart woman w/ lots of common sense.
she loves her country.
i trust her to search her soul and make choices that are best for america.

26 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:34:11pm

re: #14 Wyatt Earp

And in 2012, Matthews and his idiotic ilk will try and destroy Palin again.

I heard that Matthews was planning a run for Specter's PA Senate seat in 2010. Isn't that an awful thought?

27 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:35:04pm

BHO - left-winger - present.

28 wright1  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:35:09pm

re: #26 arethusa

I heard that Matthews was planning a run for Specter's PA Senate seat in 2010. Isn't that an awful thought?


They are both useless actually.

29 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:35:45pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Palin/Jindal '12!
/

Augh!

30 honestjay  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:36:13pm

Back in 1996, Matthews had a show on CNBC called Politics. Before the GOP convention, he invited callers to suggest running mates for Dole and then he and his two guests, one of which was Margaret Carlson would discuss them. I called in and suggest Jack Kemp, but Matthews interrupted my reason why and cut off my call. He, Margaret, and the other guest agreed that Kemp would never happen because he and Dole did not get along.

One day I want to meet Matthews to ask for an apology for his rudeness and to say "I told you so" to a Beltway Brainiac.

31 Joan Not of Arc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:36:25pm

I may just be an average blog reader but I know who I would want for vice president and it isn't Joe Biden, the smirking fool who cannot decide which stance he should take or which one is correct.
Do these reporters have nothing to do other than rail against Governor Palin? Christians are being attacked in India and Iraq. Several countries are going through economic crises. There was a dog in Australia who risked his life saving a litter of kittens (proving that cleanliness is close to dogliness). All they can report on is Palin's wardrobe and the tiresome tirades about her "experience"? Unless it's a report on where I can get those dresses, I don't care! How pathetic these people are!

32 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:37:31pm

I'm a blog reader,
I'm a blog reader,
Readin' blogs all day,
Oh hey, hey, hey.

33 littleoldlady  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:38:48pm
Truth is, these kinds of pundits have no more grasp of current events (and no more authority to opine about them) than your average blog reader. Correction: they have less grasp of current events than your average blog reader.

I bet they couldn't pass the U.S. citizenship test either.

34 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:38:53pm

Well at least they didn't have Andrew Sullivan on there.

35 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:07pm

re: #28 wright1

They are both useless actually.

Sure, but I'd rather have Darlin' Arlen than Chrissy Tinkle.

36 IgofAntioch  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:08pm

What are Chris Matthews qualifications? Oh yea,the thrill up your leg thing.

37 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And, BHO isn't qualified to be POTUS and guess what... he won't be in 2012, either.

Thanks for playing, Libs.

Or Ever!

38 sbvft contributor  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:41pm

re: #29 Charles

Augh!

Who would you like to see Charles? ANy thoughts?

39 Dianna  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:50pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I wonder when Obama will be ready to run.

Never.

Short of a shocking conversion experience.

40 EuskalHerria  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:39:57pm

Kaixo!

For sure, Sarah Palin is MUCH more qualified to be POTUS even in 2008 than Joe "a gaffe a minute" Biden. She is smart, a quick study, a true conservative, a strong supporter of free enterprise, and a pro-life, pro-family American. If Obama wins the election, it will be in large part due to the MSM being in his pocket and the mistaken assumption that the President in power is partly to blame for the curent Wall Street meltdown (no, we can't blame Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae and the Democrats who put the pressure on banks to make risky mortgage loans to the greedy or unqualified).

Agur!

41 George guy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:40:05pm

The question is if I run for President in 2024, who will more likely be my opponent: Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton?

42 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:40:52pm

re: #41 George guy

The question is if I run for President in 2024, who will more likely be my opponent: Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton?

Neither. It'll be Joe the Plumber.

43 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:41:56pm

re: #31 Joan Not of Arc

I may just be an average blog reader but I know who I would want for vice president and it isn't Joe Biden, the smirking fool who cannot decide which stance he should take or which one is correct.
Do these reporters have nothing to do other than rail against Governor Palin? Christians are being attacked in India and Iraq. Several countries are going through economic crises. There was a dog in Australia who risked his life saving a litter of kittens (proving that cleanliness is close to dogliness). All they can report on is Palin's wardrobe and the tiresome tirades about her "experience"? Unless it's a report on where I can get those dresses, I don't care! How pathetic these people are!

Come on. It's all they have.

44 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:02pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

What's up with Geraldine Ferraro these days?

She's on the PUMA train, isn't she?

45 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:04pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

That she and McCain are better equipped to deal with the job than Obama and Biden is the issue.

Not an issue for me. Not even close.

46 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:13pm

With an ego like Matthews has I doubt he would really consider anyone other than himself to be qualified, except if they have a D after their name, anyone.

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:30pm

Cthulhu/Hastur '12

Why choose the lesser evil?

48 Macker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:39pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

What's up with Geraldine Ferraro these days?


NO MORE GRITS FROM FRITZ & TITS!

49 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:42:55pm

re: #40 EuskalHerria

I would like to see Michelle O. and Joe "the Gaffe" Biden so a stump speach together. That would make for some great zingers!

50 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:01pm

Chris Matthews called Condi Rice and Colin Powell "Show Piece" appointments.
Colin Powell has endorsed B.H. ZerObama for president.
What says Chris "Tingle" now?

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't have to retract their statements,)

51 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:05pm

re: #41 George guy

The question is if I run for President in 2024, who will more likely be my opponent: Michelle Obama or Chelsea Clinton?

Chelsea impressed me in terms of natural political ability and rhetorical skill. She seems to have her dad's genes in that respect.

52 Spiny Norman  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:08pm

re: #23 jorline

Sounds like Matthews was sitting on head today while talking out his ass again.

How can you tell? Isn't that his "normal"?

53 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:14pm

re: #38 sbvft contributor

Who would you like to see Charles? ANy thoughts?

I know you ask Charles, but here's my 2 cents anyway:

Palin/Hunter

54 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:17pm

ANNE KORNBLUT, WASHINGTON POST: Well, look, and they never had a strategy to respond to it. There was no, look, we're taking a first-term governor who obviously doesn't have that much experience...

I'd take most first-term Governors over a first-term Senator. And when this woman and others bring up the "experience" issue, I'd love to slap them crazy and never stop.

55 BlueCanuck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cthulhu/Hastur '12

Why choose the lesser evil?

That's right, Nylarhotep is already running in this election. :)

56 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:55pm

re: #4 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And, BHO isn't qualified to be POTUS and guess what... he won't be in 2012, either.

Thanks for playing, Libs.

I thought Charles said no more mention of the lawsuit that cannot be named.

57 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:43:58pm

It would be fun to have a "Is Mathews qualified to be a pundit?" poll.

58 Dianna  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:44:09pm

re: #31 Joan Not of Arc

I can at least tell you where to buy the dresses, but I don't think you'll like the answer, unless you're a good deal better off than I am.

59 Knitwit  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:44:29pm

The last time I saw Matthews, he was referring to McCain and Palin as a 'couple' instead of 'running mates.'

Is there anyone anymore who doesn't think he's become a joke?

60 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:44:33pm

re: #57 Syrah

It would be fun to have a "Is Mathews qualified to be a pundit?" poll.

Hint, hint, Charles! ;)

61 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:44:34pm

The song I hope to play when I get home from work Nov 4 and watch McCain win.

What in the worlds come all over me?
I aint got a chance of one in three.
Aint got no rap, aint got no line
But if youll give me just a minute Ill be feelin fine.

I am the one who can fade the heat,
The one they all say just cant be beat.
Ill shoot it to you straight and look you in the eye.
So gimme just a minute and Ill tell you why....

I think it would be appropriate.

62 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:44:42pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know you ask Charles, but here's my 2 cents anyway:

'08 - Palin/Hunter

for Re-Election!

63 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:45:05pm

re: #59 Knitwit

The last time I saw Matthews, he was referring to McCain and Palin as a 'couple' instead of 'running mates.'

Is there anyone anymore who doesn't think he's become a joke?

I seriously have to wonder if he ever wasn't one.

64 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:45:38pm

re: #21 18echo

PBS (ack.. pfttt..) has a "Is Palin qualified to be Veep poll running..

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.ht ml

Might be nice if someone other than the left responded..

18Echo

Is that fucking PBS poll still running? And why should I give a shit?

65 jamgarr  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:45:46pm

Olbermann is there to make Matthews look sane

66 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:46:09pm
67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:46:18pm

re: #65 jamgarr

Olbermann is there to make Matthews look sane

Now that takes some work, and Olbermann sure is earning his pay.

68 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:46:25pm

Crap! Phillies have the bases loaded.

69 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:46:44pm

re: #29 Charles

There will be a shakeup in the Republican party after this election. There's some talk of purging the remaining moderates from the party. If that happens Palin/Jindal is a likely ticket.

70 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:46:56pm

There's the first blown call tonight.

71 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:47:15pm

re: #68 Soona'

Crap! Phillies have the bases loaded.


I know, I wanna have the series go to game 7! Rays to win :)

72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:47:27pm

re: #70 jorline

There's the first blown call tonight.

lucky call.

73 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:47:43pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

I know. All I'm trying to point out is that the whole "qualified" thing is bogus from beginning to end.

I'm just trying to pick a fight - ya know - get sumfin started - bust heads and such

it being Sunday and all

74 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:47:57pm

re: #64 Alouette

Is that fucking PBS poll still running? And why should I give a shit?

Well, thanks to our attention it is at 50% 48% as of NOW!

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:48:05pm

re: #62 IslandLibertarian

for Re-Election!

Nahh, that would be in 2016, still McCain/Palin for 2008. :)

Or we could have Palin/Romney in 2012.

76 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:48:06pm

re: #68 Soona'

Crap! Phillies have the bases loaded.

MLB Umpires... Jobs for the blind.

77 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:48:06pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

There will be a shakeup in the Republican party after this election. There's some talk of purging the remaining moderates from the party. If that happens Palin/Jindal is a likely ticket.

I LOVE A GOOD PURGE ! ! ! !

78 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:48:52pm

ooh - walked in a run.

79 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:49:20pm

I guess I will get to stay then. No one has ever accused me of being a moderate. :)

80 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:49:33pm

re: #71 non-lib Nina

I know, I wanna have the series go to game 7! Rays to win :)

Throw the pitcher out!
/no patience

81 sbvft contributor  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:49:38pm

I sometimes force myself to watch "The Chris Matthews Show" on Sundays. (Why? - I have no idea). There's prolly no show more representative of the worst of the inside-the-beltway punditry discourse that to me is a cancer on our country's political lansdcape. And they all hate Palin. Especially that loathsome rawmuscleglutes Sullivan.

82 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:50:04pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

There will be a shakeup in the Republican party after this election. There's some talk of purging the remaining moderates from the party. If that happens Palin/Jindal is a likely ticket.

The Dems sure did their own purge of moderates and look at what they offered up as a consequence. No thanks, purging should be only for for the Socialists/Fascists/Leftoids.

83 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

There will be a shakeup in the Republican party after this election. There's some talk of purging the remaining moderates from the party. If that happens Palin/Jindal is a likely ticket.

Won't happen. The Party is not unified enough for a "purge" nor does it really have a mechanism for one.

In the Republican Party, he who brings the votes controls the party.

Right now, the Republican Party isn't well enough defined to be able push anyone out of the tent.

84 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:50:38pm

re: #77 mama winger
It's looking like a strong possibility. Especially if this election ends with a good thumping. It will take the Republicans a while to figure out where they're headed.

85 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:50:40pm

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

No thanks, purging should be only for for the Socialists/Fascists/Leftoids.

dang it

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:51:28pm
87 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:51:29pm

I should run for Republican Party Enforcer.

that's the ticket !

88 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:52:01pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Did you stay for dessert?

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:52:22pm

re: #85 mama winger

dang it

In principle I do agree we need to get less moderation, but then where would the next person like Reagan come from? He sure wasn't from the Far Right side of the pool.

90 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:52:51pm

The obligatory Chris Matthews drools all over himself video

91 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:52:55pm

Republicans just don't have the numbers to do any kind of 'purge' and still win national elections. Now getting rid of the Lincoln Chafee's of the world was just common sense but outside of people like that, I don't see who the 'purge' would effect?

I'm not sure Colin Powell was ever a force in Republican party politics.

92 opnion  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:53:05pm

Chris Mattews talkiing about a tingle in his leg gave up any pretense of being a serious person. For a grown man to go there is very disturbing.

93 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:53:27pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

I was asked, at the end of last Friday night's Shabbat dinner--in which my hosts and almost everyone else at the table was ooohing over Obama and trashing Palin--whether I could really, truly say that I had no problem with Palin as VP.

I said absolutely--and that even if I had any qualms I was far less worried about her in the second slot than I was by Obama in the White House. They were clearly shocked.

BTW, the fellow sitting next to me used the term "haute bourgeoisie" in the course of the evening's conversation. I turned to him and said, wonderingly, "You're a Marxist." "Yes," he replied. I patted him on the shoulder and said, "Hopefully, you'll grow out of it."

LOL, excellent.

94 Dianna  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:53:35pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It's looking like a strong possibility. Especially if this election ends with a good thumping. It will take the Republicans a while to figure out where they're headed.

Who says the GOP is going to take a thumping?! Honestly, Kilgore, there are days when you worry me!

95 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:53:35pm

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

He sure wasn't from the Far Right side of the pool.

He was from the CONSERVATIVE side of the pool. Which is exactly where we need to head.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:53:52pm

re: #92 opnion

Chris Mattews talkiing about a tingle in his leg gave up any pretense of being a serious person. For a grown man to go there is very disturbing.

His body may be mature, but his mental state sure is juvenile.

97 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:55:14pm

re: #95 mama winger

He was from the CONSERVATIVE side of the pool. Which is exactly where we need to head.

Now you see why I don't self-declare myself as anything but Conservative? FIE on the Republicans. ;)

98 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:55:51pm

The left has no one like Sarah Palin. Obambi supposedly has charisma but most of the photos of this guy are either overly toothy or downright grumpy.

Sarah is a natural when it comes to being charming and charismatic.

She won the Miss Congeniality award in the Alaska beauty pageant (where somewhat fierce competitors vote on who was the nicest contestant.) Considering that she came in second in the overall competition, she had to be pretty charming in this situation to be well liked for it.

If Sarah was an empty shell (like Obama), it wouldn't help to be so charming.

She's not empty, though. She's got the character and the brains to go with her charm and the left is totally freaking out over her for it.

I'm hoping with all my heart that she's the next VP and I think she will be, but I'm also certain that she has a huge future no matter what happens on Nov 4th.

She's a gem and she's on our side. How wonderful!

99 nnorb  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:55:51pm

I live in Delaware (The Southern "RED" County of Sussex) and BIDEN is a Joke. Unfortunately, all he has to do to win in this state is carry the one large city, Wilmington. Wilmington's population would make him win, even if the other two counties voted 100% for his opposition. Anyways, even though I live in the red part of the state, it is widely agreed here, Biden is a laughing stock.

Norb

100 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:55:59pm

If Obama wins, Governor Palin is on the first plane back to Alaska - for good. IMO.

101 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:09pm

People seem to think that sticking to principles and working to advance those principles drives people out of the party. I disagree. For as many people that you lose by doing so, you gain two. People like a strength and clarity and conviction. They are attracted to it. Especially when the principles are good and sound and have been proven to work.

102 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:23pm

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lucky call.

What do you mean lucky call...are you blind?
/
//kicking dirt onto Kafir's shoes

103 Fionn MacCumhaill  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:23pm

re: #29 Charles

While we are looking at off-the-wall possibilities for 2012, consider this one if Obama wins: Hillary wants to run against him in 2012, but is locked out because Obama's machine completely controls the Democrat nominating process. Hillary really, seriously wants to be President. What can she do about the situation?

There are only two possibilities. She can run as an independent, knowing full well the history of such campaigns, or she could run as a Republican ...

There are a lot of people in the Democrat organization who are a product of the Clinton era. We should pay close attention to them in the event that Obama wins, because if he starts purging them, we (and Hillary) will know that the lockout is on, and we can expect the next presidential campaign to be very weird.

104 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:25pm

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

If Obama wins, Governor Palin is on the first plane back to Alaska - for good. IMO.

Dream on.

She's already a superstar.

There's no going back from that.

105 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:28pm
106 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:57:45pm

re: #92 opnion

Chris Mattews talkiing about a tingle in his leg gave up any pretense of being a serious person. For a grown man to go there is very disturbing.

he may look like a grown man but inside he is a stunted 8 yr. old who thinks he can blurt out anything, and be applauded. these people are sick.

107 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:58:01pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

I know. All I'm trying to point out is that the whole "qualified" thing is bogus from beginning to end.

This whole 'qualified' thing is bogus. Know why?

Are you qualified to be President of the United States?

Qualifications for the Office of President

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

That's it, boys and girls.

That's how you get a range of POTUS from a Lincoln to Carter. Compare a Woodrow Wilson to a Ronald Wilson Reagan. It just doesn't take much to 'qualify' for the job.

Hell, I qualify for the job. What more proof is needed that the qualifications are woefully inadequate?

108 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:58:30pm

re: #81 sbvft contributor

I sometimes force myself to watch "The Chris Matthews Show" on Sundays. (Why? - I have no idea). There's prolly no show more representative of the worst of the inside-the-beltway punditry discourse that to me is a cancer on our country's political lansdcape. And they all hate Palin. Especially that loathsome rawmuscleglutes Sullivan.

I was so looking forward to Feb 2009 when My TV would no longer receive drivel, and then my wife RUINED it by getting me a new one for my biffday.

109 opnion  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:59:22pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

There will be a shakeup in the Republican party after this election. There's some talk of purging the remaining moderates from the party. If that happens Palin/Jindal is a likely ticket.

What a serious mistake a purge would be, less is not more. There was an op/ed piece in the Chicago Tribune today claiming that Conservatives should be purged.
Jindal is not electable on a nnational basis, he boasts that he was at an exorcism. That will go over real well.

110 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 5:59:48pm

re: #101 mama winger

People seem to think that sticking to principles and working to advance those principles drives people out of the party. I disagree. For as many people that you lose by doing so, you gain two. People like a strength and clarity and conviction. They are attracted to it. Especially when the principles are good and sound and have been proven to work.

amen, {mama winger},
this is exactly how it works in life. not just politics.

111 katemaclaren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:00:05pm

re: #1 alexwest

I wish I could get a job like that!

ME TOOOOOO!

112 StinkHammer  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:00:30pm

re: #81 sbvft contributor

I sometimes force myself to watch "The Chris Matthews Show" on Sundays. (Why? - I have no idea). There's prolly no show more representative of the worst of the inside-the-beltway punditry discourse that to me is a cancer on our country's political lansdcape. And they all hate Palin. Especially that loathsome rawmuscleglutes Sullivan.

Be sure to check out this Powerline posting then:

Barbarians At The Gates

113 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:00:37pm

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...] I just noticed this on the left hand side bar, they are obsessed with crushing Sarah Palin

114 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:01:20pm

re: #107 razorbackerWhat other quals would you add? We are a republic for good or ill, and anyone can be President. The current donk nominee proves that.

115 defogger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:01:24pm

re: #101 mama winger

People seem to think that sticking to principles and working to advance those principles drives people out of the party. I disagree. For as many people that you lose by doing so, you gain two. People like a strength and clarity and conviction. They are attracted to it. Especially when the principles are good and sound and have been proven to work.

Yes, yes, YES!

When is the RNC going to get that?

116 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:01:27pm

re: #110 nyc redneck

Yep - you have to stand for something, or you end up standing for nothing. People are not attracted to 'nothing'.

oh wait - I forgot about the Big Zero. I may have to rethink my whole world-view! LOL

117 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:01:39pm

re: #26 arethusa

I heard that Matthews was planning a run for Specter's PA Senate seat in 2010. Isn't that an awful thought?

Just when you think it couldn't get worse than Specter . . . At least it would get Matthews off the air. Hopefully.

118 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:01:50pm

re: #104 Adina in Judea

I agree. The media smears have not managed to stick like they did to Quayle. Let her get in another 4 years as Governor, be a voice for the disabled, campaign for Congressional Republicans in 2010, and come out roaring in 2012 as a candidate for the nomination.

119 Wild Knight  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:02:47pm

re: #107

Hell, I qualify for the job. What more proof is needed that the qualifications are woefully inadequate?

No they're not. They're perfect. Tinker about to produce qualifications designed to elect a "better" president and you'll put the presidency perpetually into the grasp of the elites - and the elites have a habit of concentrating power into their hands. Plato went that way in the Republic and if you'd like to know where that got us, try reading Popper's "The Open Society and its Enemies".

120 Joan Not of Arc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #43 Soona'

I think so. How sad these guys are.

re: #58 Dianna

(sigh) One could dream.

121 opnion  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:02:53pm

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

If Obama wins, Governor Palin is on the first plane back to Alaska - for good. IMO.

No, she has her cred.The woman is a star.

122 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:03:34pm

re: #113 MrPaulRevere

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...] I just noticed this on the left hand side bar, they are obsessed with crushing Sarah Palin

Whoa. They suck.

123 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:03:48pm

Matthews panel isn't qualified to do anything but pontificate, bloviate, and obfuscate!

They wallow in their own crapulence!

124 Steffan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:03:55pm

re: #24 TheMatrix31

I don't get it.

So Palin isn't qualified so therefore McCain/Palin shouldn't win. So that means she goes back to what, being Governor of AK? Haven't they diminished AK as being worthless anyway? What makes them think that more time governing AK means anything, going by their line of thinking? Wouldn't she then theoretically be more groomed to be a Presidential nominee after being a VP for 8 (or 4) years?

Or am I just being logical?

Alaska has more people than Vermont, and a former governor of Vermont was a serious contender for POTUS a few years ago. And if Palin, a serving governor who has more executive experience than either Obama or Biden, is unqualified for VPOTUS, what does that say about Obama?

Matthews is a little too dense (not to mention in the tank) to make that connection.

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:04:08pm

re: #118 arethusa

I agree. The media smears have not managed to stick like they did to Quayle. Let her get in another 4 years as Governor, be a voice for the disabled, campaign for Congressional Republicans in 2010, and come out roaring in 2012 as a candidate for the nomination.

Why oh why should she be a governor when she is elected to the office of the Vice President? Hmmmmm? This election is not over until it is over, the MSM and Obama the Holy Messiah be damned.

126 Shay4l  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:05:20pm

Just got back from visiting the MIL in Northern Virginia.

The Washington Post has editorials on how the race is over and McCain is embarrassing himself and threatening to sink the GOP by continuing the race. Also, articles on how Palin's campaign is in some kind of HUGE rift with McCain and she's tearing the campaign apart. Then there is the barrage of negative articles and news stories every evening on the networks about how horrible life is under Bush and the economy is in ruins.

My poor MIL is the widow of a former policeman from the DC force, who came from West Virginia when she was very young, with no education, to make a life with her husband. She is terrified of how awful the country is and how bad it is going to get because she only sees and reads what the MSM feed her.

She insisted that "everyone was hurting and nobody even goes out to eat anymore" despite the evidence to the contrary when we took her out to dinner one night and to breakfast another morning.

This is the face of what the MSM is trying to do to people across the country. Get them so depressed and demoralized that they will do anything, even take a chance on an obvious terrible choice like Zerobama, in hopes that the country can be saved.

127 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:05:26pm

re: #122 non-lib Nina

They are trying to do to her what they did to George Allen, a pre-emptive take down of what they see as a threat. Its all very simple at the end of a day.

128 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:05:46pm

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

If Obama wins, Governor Palin is on the first plane back to Alaska - for good. IMO.


going back to Alaska seems logical if they lose, after all she is the govenor. for good? no chance.

129 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:06:08pm

re: #118 arethusa

I agree. The media smears have not managed to stick like they did to Quayle. Let her get in another 4 years as Governor, be a voice for the disabled, campaign for Congressional Republicans in 2010, and come out roaring in 2012 as a candidate for the nomination.

Quayle tended to get upset when he was attacked, didn't he?

Sarah is a unshakable with a grace that can be disarming to enemies.

Even Alec Baldwin was defending her against liberals after she was on SNL.

130 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:07:15pm

re: #129 Adina in Judea


Even Alec Baldwin was defending her against liberals after she was on SNL.


Really? Wow. Do you have a link?

131 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #129 Adina in Judea
I've been busy as hell at work and have missed the news. Do y'all have a new gov't over there or what?

132 katemaclaren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:08:28pm

I WISH I could see into the future if Obama is elected. It would be interesting to see how these gasbags discuss the disaster that will be unfurling like a roll of toilet paper stuck to their Gucci shoes.

133 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:09:22pm

You can meet the basic REQUIREMENTS to be President, but it doesn't mean youre QUALIFIED to be President.

At least that's how I view it.

134 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:09:55pm

re: #132 katemaclaren
They won't. No matter how bad it gets. It will all be Bushs' fault or the inept leaders in the Pentagon or the Repubs in Congress screwing things up.

135 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:10:01pm

re: #130 arethusa

re: #129 Adina in Judea

Even Alec Baldwin was defending her against liberals after she was on SNL.

Really? Wow. Do you have a link?

Alec Baldwin Defends Sarah Palin

136 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:11:08pm

re: #127 MrPaulRevere

They are trying to do to her what they did to George Allen, a pre-emptive take down of what they see as a threat. Its all very simple at the end of a day.

Every single headline in the column listed a story about Sarah. Is there no other news? Oh, wait, no I am mistaken, there is not.

All of the stories are just that, stories. Maybe ABC Blogs should get another journalist that could find something else to focus on. Or maybe he is infatuated with her? Brian Ross needs some new material!

137 katemaclaren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:12:04pm

Did anyone see the send up of Pelosi, Michelle, Barack and all the rest of the gang on Saturday Night Live?

And now, may I ask, does anyone think, like I do, that Barack Obama doesn't have a sense of humor?

138 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:13:21pm

re: #114 pingjockey

What other quals would you add? We are a republic for good or ill, and anyone can be President. The current donk nominee proves that.

Have you ever balanced a budget or met a payroll?

Can you diaper a child without getting crap all over everything?

Do dogs instinctively snarl when you approach?

One of these containers is full of sh*t, the other one contains shinola. Which is which?

Recite the first stanza of The Star Spangled Banner.

Why did the colonies go to war in 1776?

Who is more important to your physical wellbeing? Your plumber or your congressman?

There are others.

139 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:13:44pm
140 pianogirl  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:14:16pm

re: #6 winston06

Add the IQ's together and you'd be lucky to get up to double digits!

141 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:15:24pm

re: #94 Dianna

If the Republicans remain unthumped after the election I will happily stand corrected.

142 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:17:53pm

re: #138 razorbackerYou are talking common sense, not quals! Mwahaha. Right now I see only one person with common sense on either ticket and she's never been a Senator!

143 larrysheldon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:19:11pm

"authority to opine"

I say about the same as a bag of door knobs.

Maybe not quite that wqell organized, but ...

And total IQ a number about right for storing good wine.

144 Steffan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:19:24pm

re: #132 katemaclaren

I WISH I could see into the future if Obama is elected. It would be interesting to see how these gasbags discuss the disaster that will be unfurling like a roll of toilet paper stuck to their Gucci shoes.

Jimmy Carter was so reviled by his own party that Ted Kennedy almost took the nomination away from him.

If Obama wins, I think we'll see a replay in 2012.... Hillary will try to take the nomination away from him, and if he governs like I think he will, she may very well succeed.

I still think McCain will pull it off, though. Since the media is so far in the tank for The One, no one knows -- or can know -- what the real numbers are.

Schadenfreude is such fun, isn't it? :)

145 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:19:44pm

re: #131 pingjockey

re: #129 Adina in Judea
I've been busy as hell at work and have missed the news. Do y'all have a new gov't over there or what?

Tzipi Livni (Kadima) has given up on trying to form a coalition and her party is now saying they want to go to elections asap.

It seems that this process is moving forward, so hopefully Israel will have a new PM elected in February.

P.S. I'm in North Carolina for a job right now with residency established here for paying taxes in the U.S. (while I also pay taxes in Israel.) I'm also voting in North Carolina as a Republican.

I will be a tax paying voter from two countries who will go through back-to-back national elections (first in one country then in the other a couple of months later.) I'll be going back to Israel to do my job remotely in between the two sets of national elections in my two countries.

I will officially be a basketcase by the time I go through the Israeli elections.

146 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:19:55pm

Good Lord! Catch the damn baseball!

147 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:21:13pm

I thought Commies were the ones who did the purging.

148 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:21:56pm

re: #109 opnion

What a serious mistake a purge would be, less is not more. There was an op/ed piece in the Chicago Tribune today claiming that Conservatives should be purged.
Jindal is not electable on a nnational basis, he boasts that he was at an exorcism. That will go over real well.

AFTER THE TRIB ENDORSED OBAMA THEY ARE IN NO POSITION TO TELL THE GOP WHAT TO DO

149 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:22:58pm

re: #145 Adina in Judea
Holy Hanging Chads Batman! I recommend stocking up on plenty of your favorite adult beverages. My respects to you for going through all of that paperwork you had to go through to vote and PAY TAXES! in 2 countries.

150 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:23:35pm

re: #149 pingjockey

Holy Hanging Chads Batman! I recommend stocking up on plenty of your favorite adult beverages. My respects to you for going through all of that paperwork you had to go through to vote and PAY TAXES! in 2 countries.

She's spreading the wealth!

151 mattm  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:24:27pm

So she is not qualified to be president, but what about VP? I guss that forgot to address that.

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:24:35pm

re: #137 katemaclaren

Did anyone see the send up of Pelosi, Michelle, Barack and all the rest of the gang on Saturday Night Live?

And now, may I ask, does anyone think, like I do, that Barack Obama doesn't have a sense of humor?

Messiahs are not required to have a sense of humor, only righteous indignation.

153 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:24:41pm

re: #150 rightside
Let's hope the correct people get to spend her and our hard earned money!

154 funky chicken  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:25:03pm

Killgore's just one of those "true conservatives" who can't wait to see Obama installed as my husband's commander in chief....because he thinks that will somehow purge all of us "RINOS" from the party.

Trust me on this one...if you "true conservatives" succeed in throwing McCain under the bus, a hell of a lot of military folks are gonna give the blue dog dems a long look. Because a lot of them take this whole election pretty personally.

155 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:25:05pm

re: #142 pingjockey

You are talking common sense, not quals! Mwahaha. Right now I see only one person with common sense on either ticket and she's never been a Senator!

Perhaps it is the simpleton in me coming to the surface, but I have difficulty voting for anyone who has such a character that, if they dined at my table, I would feel a need to count the good spoons upon their departure.

156 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:25:27pm

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans
Mwahahahaha! I read it as indigestion.

157 JustMyView  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:25:49pm

re: #103 Fionn MacCumhaill

While we are looking at off-the-wall possibilities for 2012, consider this one if Obama wins: Hillary wants to run against him in 2012, but is locked out because Obama's machine completely controls the Democrat nominating process. Hillary really, seriously wants to be President. What can she do about the situation?

There are only two possibilities. She can run as an independent, knowing full well the history of such campaigns, or she could run as a Republican ...

There are a lot of people in the Democrat organization who are a product of the Clinton era. We should pay close attention to them in the event that Obama wins, because if he starts purging them, we (and Hillary) will know that the lockout is on, and we can expect the next presidential campaign to be very weird.

Purging Clintonites? If he wins, he will likely be hiring many of them. Right now, Robert Rubin, Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton, is one of his economic advisers, as is Lawrence Summers, Clinton's second Secretary of the Treasury. The leader of his transition team is John Podesta, Clinton's last chief of staff.

158 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:26:56pm

re: #155 razorbacker
You nad me both. I like McCain, but I like Palin more. She has not been in that fever swamp of DC long enough to be tainted.

159 Palandine  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:27:09pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Palin/Jindal '12!
/

Palin/Cantor '12

160 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:27:16pm

re: #156 pingjockey

Mwahahahaha! I read it as indigestion.

I think you have a better read than I did, my good man. :)

161 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:27:44pm

By the way, I like the online letter in the links list earlier by the small businessman who is certain that he will have to lay off six of his employees if Obama is elected. He went to the parking lot to see who has Obama bumper stickers so that he could lay off these particular workers if he has to do so because of Obama's tax increases.

Talk about justice!

"You wanted him - you got him! Goodbye!"

I think McCain will win, though.

All these polls meant to discourage us with Obama's "inevitability" have only seared in my consciousness that I must vote so that I can spend the rest of my life knowing that I said "Yes, McCain/Palin" and "NObama!" when I had the chance. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.

I think a lot of Republicans would crawl to the voting booth if necessary this year to help keep the country from being stuck with a socialist-in-chief.

162 Roark  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:28:51pm

the morning I learned that Palin was a probable nominee for veep, I did quick review on her qualifications via wikipedia, and what I learned that morning is that she is more qualified than her running mate and infinitely more qualified than either candidate on the dem ticket simply due to her executive experience as governor.

McCain has executive experience being a former commander in the Navy.
Obama.... forget it
Biden.... riding the train a lot makes you a good guy with the locals, but other than that what can you show me except a lifetime of outrageous gaffes.

163 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:29:43pm

re: #154 funky chicken

Killgore's just one of those "true conservatives" who can't wait to see Obama installed as my husband's commander in chief....because he thinks that will somehow purge all of us "RINOS" from the party.


You forgot your sarc tag. Everybody here knows I'm a liberal. I've never pretended to be anything else.

164 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:30:10pm

re: #149 pingjockey

re: #145 Adina in Judea
Holy Hanging Chads Batman! I recommend stocking up on plenty of your favorite adult beverages. My respects to you for going through all of that paperwork you had to go through to vote and PAY TAXES! in 2 countries.

It's not so bad, actually.

I have an American-Israeli accountant and an American-Israeli lawyer in Jerusalem who see to my needs as a fellow dual citizen.

It's a booming business for them. :)

165 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:30:26pm

re: #154 funky chicken

Killgore's just one of those "true conservatives" who can't wait to see Obama installed as my husband's commander in chief....because he thinks that will somehow purge all of us "RINOS" from the party.

Trust me on this one...if you "true conservatives" succeed in throwing McCain under the bus, a hell of a lot of military folks are gonna give the blue dog dems a long look. Because a lot of them take this whole election pretty personally.


I really don't think there is any evidence that 'true conservatives' or 'Republicans' are throwing McCain under the bus or anything like that.

Bush won the national election by 2.5% overall and slim margin in Ohio...just 2 or 3% of the electorate voting Obama instead of Bush is enough to swing the elction.

I would guess very few people who are 'hardcore Republicans' or 'true conservatives' are voting Obama instead of Bush, I'd blame the 'swing voters'

166 Shay4l  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:31:21pm

re: #155 razorbacker

Perhaps it is the simpleton in me coming to the surface, but I have difficulty voting for anyone who has such a character that, if they dined at my table, I would feel a need to count the good spoons upon their departure.

If you mean counting after Sarah dined there, then, yes, you are a simpleton.

167 funky chicken  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:32:31pm

re: #126 Shay4l

Just got back from visiting the MIL in Northern Virginia.

The Washington Post has editorials on how the race is over and McCain is embarrassing himself and threatening to sink the GOP by continuing the race. Also, articles on how Palin's campaign is in some kind of HUGE rift with McCain and she's tearing the campaign apart. Then there is the barrage of negative articles and news stories every evening on the networks about how horrible life is under Bush and the economy is in ruins.

My poor MIL is the widow of a former policeman from the DC force, who came from West Virginia when she was very young, with no education, to make a life with her husband. She is terrified of how awful the country is and how bad it is going to get because she only sees and reads what the MSM feed her.

She insisted that "everyone was hurting and nobody even goes out to eat anymore" despite the evidence to the contrary when we took her out to dinner one night and to breakfast another morning.

This is the face of what the MSM is trying to do to people across the country. Get them so depressed and demoralized that they will do anything, even take a chance on an obvious terrible choice like Zerobama, in hopes that the country can be saved.

Mark Levin read from Saul Alinski's book on his show last week. It's exactly what he wrote about....depress and demoralize the populace, and convince people that the only thing that can save them is a massive (authoritarian) state. The media is playing along with Obama, and doing everything it can to get him across the finish line. They are absolutely desperate, all in, and still it's a neck and neck race. If the GOP gets out the vote, McCain wins.

Rendell is nervous enough about PA that he's squawking in public to try to get Obama and Biden back into the state. Ohio looks good for McCain/Palin, FL looks good for McCain/Palin, and NV looks pretty good because that dipshit Harry Reid has spent the last year embarrassing himself to such an extent.

168 funky chicken  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:33:59pm

re: #147 Spare O'Lake

I thought Commies were the ones who did the purging.

thank you

169 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:34:04pm

McCain/Palin in '12 - for re-election!

170 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:34:17pm

re: #164 Adina in Judea
All the same, I can't imagine sweating 2 elections that are so pivotal in each countries future. Especially from a security standpoint. Liberals in both countries would sell their people down the river for some imaginary peace that will never be attained but by being strong and standing up to thugs, terrorists, and thug terrorists masquerading as statesmen.

171 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:36:54pm

re: #166 Shay4l

If you mean counting after Sarah dined there, then, yes, you are a simpleton.

Haven't seen any of my posts, have you?

Mrs. Palin is perhaps the freshest breath of air to waft onto the national stage since 1980.

If she needs my spoons, I'll tell her where the original box to carry them is, too.

172 Shay4l  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:40:00pm

re: #171 razorbacker

Haven't seen any of my posts, have you?

Mrs. Palin is perhaps the freshest breath of air to waft onto the national stage since 1980.

If she needs my spoons, I'll tell her where the original box to carry them is, too.

I humbly apologize for my misunderstanding.

173 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:42:12pm

re: #145 Adina in Judea

IT IS ENOUGH THAT I WORRY ABOUT MY SON, D.I.L. AND GRAND DAUGHTER IN ISRAEL, and that he is currently in the I.D.F.

174 Throbert McGee  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:45:57pm
According to Chris Matthews and his guests today, Sarah Palin is not qualified to be vice president—but in 2012 she’ll be a serious candidate for President.

A guy who I greatly admire in some respects (but not for his politics, that's for sure) said to me about Sarah Palin: "I just don't want anyone that tacky anywhere near the White House." Which I thought was totally ridiculous because the White House has managed to survive 16 years of tackiness in two different flavors -- Dubya-tacky and Slick-Willy-tacky. And in most ways, Palin comes across as far less "tacky" than either of those two guys.

Anyway, I suspect that for a lot of Palin's detractors, it doesn't go any deeper than that -- they scorn her because that's the fashionable thing to do.

175 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:46:52pm

re: #164 Adina in Judea

HANGING WITH THE ANGLO-SAXONS ROFLMAO

176 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:50:46pm

re: #174 Throbert McGee

How was GW tacky? I didn't see any shenanigans in the Oval office, no bull riding on the WH lawn. Then again a media roping wouldv'e been really fun.

177 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:51:00pm

I have been accused of being a R.I.N.O. esp on social cons. issues BUT I REALLY ♥ SARAH PALIN A TOTAL BREATH OF FRESH AIR

178 Crux Australis  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:56:00pm

If McCain/Palin lose and Sarah goes back to Alaska never to be seen on the INTERNATIONAL stage again it will be a huge loss.

I have never been so excited about a conservative politician since John Howard won in Australia back in 1996.

179 pingjockey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:56:13pm

2 new threads further up. See y'all later.

180 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 6:57:06pm

re: #172 Shay4l

No worries.

181 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:01:18pm

re: #178 Crux Australis

If McCain/Palin lose and Sarah goes back to Alaska never to be seen on the INTERNATIONAL stage again it will be a huge loss.

I have never been so excited about a conservative politician since John Howard won in Australia back in 1996.


Oi! Oi! Oi!

182 pianogirl  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:02:06pm

re: #21 18echo

I had a lib friend send the PBS link/poll to everyone in her address file. She was telling us how easy it was to vote AGAINST Sarah Palin and she'd voted several times herself. I managed to contain myself enough to write back and tell her that I greatly admired Gov. Palin, and asked that she tell me how many times she voted so I could go and do likewise. Didn't hear back from her! PBS has now fixed the poll so you can only vote one time.

183 srmoss  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:03:00pm

Obama for Senate (my cat could do better, though).

184 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:03:23pm
Truth is, these kinds of pundits have no more grasp of current events (and no more authority to opine about them) than your average blog reader. Correction: they have less grasp of current events than your average blog reader.

Did I just feel a tingle up my leg?

/oh wait, that was the dog's nose. She has to go out.

185 Knitwit  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:04:56pm

re: #145 Adina in Judea
Welcome to NC!

186 Mark1957  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:52pm

I got to see Sarah Palin last night at the Allen County War Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne IN. If there was a foreboding sense of electoral doom, I sure as hell didn't see it. Instead, I saw a near-capacity (about 12,000) crowd of rowdy Republicans in the house. So many people showed up that the event had to be delayed to allow them enough time to go through the metal detectors.

Sarah was HOT, HOT, HOT (yeah, I've got a thing for high boots on good-looking women) and spoke for 40 minutes. She was definitely on fire with a little help from Hank Williams, Jr. What a woman! Todd was also there as were two of their girls.

Now, imagine Joe Biden pulling this kind of crowd. Yeah, I know: you can't...and neither can I. Joey Hairplugs has all the charisma of an overbaked potato...and it's going to be all downhill for him even if he and Junior do get elected.

I think Obama had better take his time getting fitted for his robes and crown, because, if the Fort Wayne event is any indication, I suspect His Majesty is going to be for a very nasty surprise on election night.

187 Mark1957  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:58pm

#157,

Purging Clintonites? If he wins, he will likely be hiring many of them. Right now, Robert Rubin, Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton, is one of his economic advisers, as is Lawrence Summers, Clinton's second Secretary of the Treasury. The leader of his transition team is John Podesta, Clinton's last chief of staff.

Word on the street has it that Obama is retooling his campaign slogans. Here are a few proposed ones that have been leaked:

"UNCHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

"KINDA SORTA CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

"NOT SO MUCH CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

"FORGET ABOUT CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

"CHANGE: MICHELLE DOES IT THREE TIMES A DAY."

"WE HAVE WAYS OF MAKING YOU CHANGE."

and finally....

"CHANGE? CRACKA PUH-LEEEZE!"

188 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:31:56pm

Kilgore Trout,

Palin/Jindal '12!
/

Yes we know your priorities. You'd rather sit on the sidelines and watch as the United States falls into the hands of a pansy neo-Marxist than vote for a Republican ticket that contains a folksy VP candidate whose diction "embarasses" you.

Personally I'll gladly vote for a Presidential candidate who believes in creationist insanity so long as that candiate espouses fiscal sanity and pursuing the War on Terror to a successful conclusion. Those are my priorities.

Call me crazy.

189 ocdude  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:52:59pm

Truth is, these kinds of pundits have no more grasp of current events (and no more authority to opine about them) than your average blog reader. Correction: they have less grasp of current events than your average blog reader.


Charles, Thanks for the compliment.

190 extrabob  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 2:45:11am

re: #36 IgofAntioch

What are Chris Matthews qualifications? Oh yea,the thrill up your leg thing.

As I understand it, Matthews is a former U.S. Capitol cop (security guard) and Carter intern. Not that either one of those qualifies him for anything important.

191 extrabob  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 2:52:22am

re: #75 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nahh, that would be in 2016, still McCain/Palin for 2008. :)

Or we could have Palin/Romney in 2012.

I'd prefer Romney/Palin.

192 extrabob  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:02:02am

re: #114 pingjockey

What other quals would you add? We are a republic for good or ill, and anyone can be President. The current donk nominee proves that.

Agreed. If the qualifications were too stringent, we may never had Lincoln or Reagan. And what a loss for our country that would have been!


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