They actually have those?
/

I mean they're laying off people left and left (since they're all libs).

I'm scared. I'm all alone.

some speculation as per the content of the videotape the LA Times is hiding from the American people:

1. Barack Obama participating in the night's festivities, taking his turn at the lectern toasting the terrorist Rashid Khalidi, toasting the PLO and bashing "the Zionists".

2. Barack Obama and his wife Michelle are shown sitting at the same table with domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn. Glasses are raised and a jolly ol' Jew-bashing time is had by the good friends Barack, Michelle, Bill and Bernadine.

3. Barack Obama takes his turn giving a speech bashing "the Zionists". Barack returns to his table where the above # 2 takes place.

OK then, I admit it, that's not just mere speculation as to the contents of the video and I may be engaged in some "audacity of hope".

re: #2 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Going to be interesting to see what happens to the dead tree press in the next couple of years. Not a lot of them are doing well financially for some reason.

re: #3 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm scared. I'm all alone.

And it's cold, dark, and drizzling, and somewhere in the thick woods surrounding you, a wolf is howling.

re: #3 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You hear a grue. :)

re: #6 Tigger2005

And it's cold, dark, and drizzling, and somewhere in the thick woods surrounding you, a wolf is howling.

Go South, I just howled.

re: #5 BlueCanuck

Going to be interesting to see what happens to the dead tree press in the next couple of years. Not a lot of them are doing well financially for some reason.

I know the reason. We're seeing it right before our eyes this election. With the way they're in the tank for Obama they no longer even attempt to pretend to be objective.

When you do that you piss off half the country.

Good riddance MSM. FOAD!

Sent my emails, thanks for the links!

The LA Slimes still has advertisers?

Ever get the feeling that many of us here are living in some parallel universe?

This tape is not news anywhere where it would get people's attention.

And even if it was released, the popular press and media would ignore it completely.

The sum result is that us knowing all about Obama just makes things worse.

We are the Casandra media. We know the truth, we see the future, and we together with McCain can't convince the savior seeking mob that they are about to make a tragic mistake of monumental proportion by electing Obama.

re: #6 Tigger2005

And it's cold, dark, and drizzling, and somewhere in the thick woods surrounding you, a wolf is howling.

Wolfie wouldn't bite me!
/Would you?

Hmmmm, time for conservatives to fight back against the abuses of an evil and corrupt corporation. Gotta love the smell of that irony. :)

re: #13 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wolfie wouldn't bite me!
/Would you?

Even he who is pure of heart
And says his prayers by night
May become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms
And the moon is full and bright.

They'll end up putting it up on pay-per-view on November 5 over the caption "Suckers!"

re: #12 opinionated

Ever get the feeling that many of us here are living in some parallel universe?

This tape is not news anywhere where it would get people's attention.

And even if it was released, the popular press and media would ignore it completely.

The sum result is that us knowing all about Obama just makes things worse.

We are the Casandra media. We know the truth, we see the future, and we together with McCain can't convince the savior seeking mob that they are about to make a tragic mistake of monumental proportion by electing Obama.

I feel that way every day.

re: #15 Tigger2005

Even he who is pure of heart
And says his prayers by night
May become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms
And the moon is full and bright.

Thank you Lawrence Talbot AKA Lon Chaney Jr.
/

re: #6 Tigger2005

And it's cold, dark, and drizzling, and somewhere in the thick woods surrounding you, a wolf is howling.

Where wolf?

re: #17 TheMatrix31

I feel that way every day.

We can share a padded cell :-(

We need to get Fox on this, too. People DO pay attention to Fox.

re: #19 jamgarr

Where wolf?

There! --> Wolf!

re: #19 jamgarr

Where wolf?

There wolf!

re: #22 CynicalConservative

There! --> Wolf!

What did you say?

re: #20 opinionated

We can share a padded cell :-(

Then I end up feeling like I'm the lunatic and that everything I'm reading is just BS just because I don't hear it outside of our sphere here

re: #24 jamgarr

What did you say?

I should know this one but my YF memory is lacking....

re: #23 rawmuse

There wolf!

Here wolf!

. . . . suit yourselk, I'm easy.

yourself

re: #21 MandyManners

We need to get Fox on this, too. People DO pay attention to Fox.

Seems like kind of a big deal. Maybe they will get on it.

For the sake of argument, suppose McCain had chosen Snow as running mate, for example. They'd have lost some support on the right. How much could they have picked up on the left to make up for it?

My spouse and I are still subscribers (mostly for sports, comics and the schadenfreude of watching their slow death.) I contacted them about releasing the video.
The paper is getting smaller every week. I can't imagine how they'll survive the recession. They used to be a serious paper. Now they focus on the local entertainment and fashion industries. The tiny business section has something every day about the movie business.

Frau Blücher?

I suppose you've all seen the Drudge headline: "Ahmadinejad falls ill from 'stress.'"

I thought he was just the cause of stress in other people./

re: #34 jaunte

Frau Blücher?

Ovaltine?

re: #32 Moe Katz

For the sake of argument, suppose McCain had chosen Snow as running mate, for example. They'd have lost some support on the right. How much could they have picked up on the left to make up for it?

John Snow?

"He vas my boyfriend"

THIS is what the Lizard Army is for.

/Charles, I want to hear you say it:

"Fly, my pretties!..."

Wot hump?

I'm of the opinion that McCain couldn't make a 'perfect' VP pick...either to the right or to the left he breaks even. Palin was good enough and the negative reaction and hate for her is enough to let you know that the other side is afraid of what she brought to the table.

re: #35 arethusa

I suppose you've all seen the Drudge headline: "Ahmadinejad falls ill from 'stress.'"

I thought he was just the cause of stress in other people./

Pimpin,' after-all, is indeed not easy.

As Billy Ayers would say, "You must change the world." Cut off the advertising $ to the leftist media and we begin to put the propagandists out of work or force them to change. Somewhere in the bowels of the LA Times lurks a young intern yearning to do the right thing...

/the world is waiting

re: #33 buckykat

My spouse and I are still subscribers (mostly for sports, comics and the schadenfreude of watching their slow death.) I contacted them about releasing the video.
The paper is getting smaller every week. I can't imagine how they'll survive the recession. They used to be a serious paper. Now they focus on the local entertainment and fashion industries. The tiny business section has something every day about the movie business.

Like I needed another reason to avoid the L.A. Times? Hardly, but it sure does accumulate to the debit side.

re: #37 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

John Snow?

Sen. Olympia Snow (Rep. Maine)

What ever happened to that big announcement from North Korea?

Wow............. Sean Hannity is on FoxNews right now exposing in extensive detail all of Obama's radical and troubling friendships..........

re: #46 Moe Katz

Sen. Olympia Snow (Rep. Maine)

Oh God, that's even worse!

better yet--CONTACT THE FREAKING WRITER DIRECTLY - this mail box cannot be closed--it is corporoate--so flood it, people--demand!

peter.wallsten@latimes.com

Heh! I have a Capitol One credit card. And an account at ING.

I feel the urge to make some phone calls...

re: #41 middlecon

I'm of the opinion that McCain couldn't make a 'perfect' VP pick...either to the right or to the left he breaks even. Palin was good enough and the negative reaction and hate for her is enough to let you know that the other side is afraid of what she brought to the table.

The virulence of the attack on her by the MSM pundits and talking heads show me that Governor Palin was about as correct a choice as McCain could ever have made. If nothing else she sure is a lot more inspiring to the base than Mr. Bad Hair Plugs is to the Leftoid base.

re: #48 doriangrey

Wow............. Sean Hannity is on FoxNews right now exposing in extensive detail all of Obama's radical and troubling friendships..........

Again? What does he have against that nice young Sen. Obama? ///////

re: #49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Oh God, that's even worse!

Just from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, though. I wonder if tacking to the right with Palin was the smartest choice if the pendulum is going the other way.

re: #11 pingjockey

The LA Slimes still has advertisers?

It's The Left Angeles Times. ;)

Man, I never do this kind of stuff, but I just did my lizard duty and sent off the emails. See what you've done to me? Actually, a couple of my least favorite companies were on the list, so if this causes them tsouris, so much the better.

re: #25 TheMatrix31

Then I end up feeling like I'm the lunatic and that everything I'm reading is just BS just because I don't hear it outside of our sphere here

It's worse then that.

At this very moment on FOX news, Sean Hannity is explaining all of Obama's radical associations, even stuff new to me on who helped him get into Harvard Law- surprise, another Islamic radical.

Like us Hannity too is spitting in the wind. It's weird.

re: #48 doriangrey

Wow............. Sean Hannity is on FoxNews right now exposing in extensive detail all of Obama's radical and troubling friendships..........

Your "radicals" are someone else's freedom fighters, pal!

/Moonbat off.

re: #53 arethusa

Again? What does he have against that nice young Sen. Obama? ///////

Sean is crucifying Obama.....

re: #29 taxfreekiller

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re: #59 doriangrey

*WHACK*

re: #59 doriangrey

Sean is crucifying Obama.....

There's an underlying irony in that statement.

re: #21 MandyManners

We need to get Fox on this, too. People DO pay attention to Fox.

Mandy, we pay attention to Fox. People who think like we do pay attention to Fox. A lot of people are waiting for American Idol.
The MSM has a lot of the populace sleeping.

Sean is jewish?

About Palin - I was watching her on C-SPAN this afternoon and she's really a great campaigner. The best I can recall since Bill Clinton. I think it was the right choice - pick anyone else, and McCain is just Bob Dole all over again. If nothing else, the pick was a nod to the future of the Republican Party. not just Palin, but folks like Ryan and Cantor too.

re: #47 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What ever happened to that big announcement from North Korea?

Since li'l Kim gave all the orders, and li'l Kim is dead, no one knows what to do.

re: #59 doriangrey

Sean is crucifying Obama.....

That statement tends to have a rather ironic bit of whimsy considering the fervor of The One's worshipers are ready to anoint him for being their Messiah. :)

re: #33 buckykat

My spouse and I are still subscribers (mostly for sports, comics and the schadenfreude of watching their slow death.) I contacted them about releasing the video.
The paper is getting smaller every week. I can't imagine how they'll survive the recession. They used to be a serious paper. Now they focus on the local entertainment and fashion industries. The tiny business section has something every day about the movie business.

Do you own a bird?
/Thought maybe you use the paper to line your bird's cage.

re: #7 BlueCanuck

You hear a grue. :)

Light lamp

This. Is. ADORABLE!

BOSTON – Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader says he now holds the world record for most campaign speeches in a single day.

Nader, who is on the ballot in 45 states but is polling in single digits, said he delivered at least 255 minutes of speeches in 21 Massachusetts communities on Saturday. Nader said that was enough to get him into the Guinness Book of World Records.

To get in the record books, Guinness officials said Nader needed to give at least 150 minutes of speeches, with each speech lasting at least 10 minutes. And each time, there must be at least 10 people watching who didn't come with Nader.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I sent an email to the writer, I'm sure he's a major moonbat so I doubt he's going to release anything, but I'm sure he'll have a full email.

At least be nice to him no threats or anything like that, wouldn't want the next LA Times headline to be:

Times writer threatened over Obama video

re: #54 Moe Katz

Just from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, though. I wonder if tacking to the right with Palin was the smartest choice if the pendulum is going the other way.

But choosing Snow would have alienated conservatives since she's more of a lib than he is. I know I would have been pissed off if he picked her.

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Light lamp

You have no matches.

re: #57 Opinionated

It's worse then that.

At this very moment on FOX news, Sean Hannity is explaining all of Obama's radical associations, even stuff new to me on who helped him get into Harvard Law- surprise, another Islamic radical.

Like us Hannity too is spitting in the wind. It's weird.

That's new to you? I knew about al-Mansour like, six months ago! Nyah nyah!

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Light lamp

you can't the breeze is too strong.

/heh heh, about time someone jumped on that one.

Since this looks to be the Media Thread, I'll repost my contribution from the open thread to fire up the latecomers:

Under the heading What Media Bias? here's an unbe-fucking-lievable story from today's Denver Post. The second paragraph in the story:

In Republican-leaning Douglas County, it's easy to assume this Franktown retiree — with his steel-gray hair, plaid flannel jacket and denim jeans — might be less than thrilled at the prospect of a black Democrat as president.

Get that? If you're a Republican, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you live in Douglas County, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you're an old white guy, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you wear flannel and denim jeans, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST.

This is a freaking lead news story -- not opinion column or editorial, a news story.

re: #63 TheMatrix31

There's an underlying irony in that statement.

LOL! Not the Messiah! Say it ain't so!

re: #74 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have no matches.

Oh Lord I used to play that game on my dad's computer. I was horrible at it. Stupid dwarf.

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This. Is. ADORABLE!

BOSTON – Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader says he now holds the world record for most campaign speeches in a single day.

Nader, who is on the ballot in 45 states but is polling in single digits, said he delivered at least 255 minutes of speeches in 21 Massachusetts communities on Saturday. Nader said that was enough to get him into the Guinness Book of World Records.

To get in the record books, Guinness officials said Nader needed to give at least 150 minutes of speeches, with each speech lasting at least 10 minutes. And each time, there must be at least 10 people watching who didn't come with Nader.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Give 'em hell Ralph at least 10 people? LOL I wonder how he managed that? lol

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But choosing Snow would have alienated conservatives since she's more of a lib than he is. I know I would have been pissed off if he picked her.

Yep, I know that. I'm just wondering whether he would have picked up more on the left than he would have lost on the right, or vice versa. People on the right really have nowhere else to go, after all. Other than Paul.

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

That statement tends to have a rather ironic bit of whimsy considering the fervor of The One's worshipers are ready to anoint him for being their Messiah. :)

If you are not watching Sean you just can not believe what I am saying. If you are, well you probably cant believe what Sean is saying.

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To get in the record books, Guinness officials said Nader needed to give at least 150 minutes of speeches, with each speech lasting at least 10 minutes. And each time, there must be at least 10 people watching who didn't come with Nader.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

How did he get ten people to listen to him who didn't come with him?/

re: #67 Tigger2005

Since li'l Kim gave all the orders, and li'l Kim is dead, no one knows what to do.

The same thing happened when Kim's father died. Technically, daddy is still in charge of the country, even with Dear Leader there.

/similar to the arrangement in Chicago.

re: #61 taxfreekiller

some one look up under the Sec. of State Calif who is the
agent of record for the L.A. Times,

[Link: www.wsj.com...]

I have an account for the wsj on line will have to go get the link
back in a bit.

find the L.A. Times there, it will have all the major stock holders
the names of all the management, to include all the instutional owners of stock, like "Calif Teachers Retirment" etal
They may be union liberals but bet your ass they will not like the stock price screwed with over a f'n vidio of Obama.

[Link: kepler.ss.ca.gov...]

re: #6 Tigger2005

Yes? You called?

re: #76 BlueCanuck

you can't the breeze is too strong.

/heh heh, about time someone jumped on that one.

I just got in from the theatre. A late day, had to strike after show, it's cross over, next show opens Nov. 7th. Just saw your message.

I don't buy from any of those companies, because - well - I don't buy much of anything at all. But I will pass this list along.....

Oh - I guess I could contact them - they won't know I am not a customer, right?

re: #83 arethusa

How did he get ten people to listen to him who didn't come with him?/

Free food. But it said "watching" not "listening".

re: #82 doriangrey

If you are not watching Sean you just can not believe what I am saying. If you are, well you probably cant believe what Sean is saying.

I have already seen the piece, and I still find what you said to be a bit of ironic whimsy. So, NAHHHHH! :P

re: #83 arethusa

Coffee and donuts?

Nikkei up .18%

re: #92 spirochete

Good sign.

re: #46 Moe Katz

Sen. Olympia Snow (Rep. Maine)

She's a RINO. No Republican to the right of her would have bothered to show up on November 4; I certainly wouldn't.

Obama picked an elderly man with a decades-long undistinguished record in the Senate, a history of brain aneurysms, a penchant for saying stupid things, and the distinction of being the first or second guy to drop out of the dem primaries. All this while running on the platform of hopey changiness.

McCain picked the most popular governor in the country. He picked a self-made woman who rose in politics the way it used to be done--municipal, then state, then national. He picked a governor with the highest possible security clearance because of her job as Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. She will have 4 years to become the great President everyone knows she is capable of becoming. History has shown that she doesn't need 4 years to be impressive as hell.

In what bizarro world is it even debatable that Governor Palin is a spectacular choice, and the choice of Biden was a lame desperation move?

re: #61 taxfreekiller

C0975720 2/19/1980 active LOS ANGELES TIMES -- WASHINGTON POST NEWS SERVICE, INC.

Agent for Service of Process: CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE

re: #81 Moe Katz

Yep, I know that. I'm just wondering whether he would have picked up more on the left than he would have lost on the right, or vice versa. People on the right really have nowhere else to go, after all. Other than Paul.

Paul's not running I guess there would be the Constitution Party? Leiberman/Snow wouldn't have helped. McCain's appeal with 'independents' was just a compliment by the media when they used to like him lol

A solid Republican was the only choice and Palin fit the bill.

I think she's been ok, a little raw in some of the interviews and no I don't think it was just 'editing' but thats about my only criticism.

re: #77 StinkHammer

Since this looks to be the Media Thread, I'll repost my contribution from the open thread to fire up the latecomers:

Under the heading What Media Bias? here's an unbe-fucking-lievable story from today's Denver Post. The second paragraph in the story:

Get that? If you're a Republican, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you live in Douglas County, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you're an old white guy, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST; if you wear flannel and denim jeans, it's safe to presume you're a RACIST.

This is a freaking lead news story -- not opinion column or editorial, a news story.

I'd cut him some slack. He said black democrat as president. If he had said black man, that would have been race-baiting.

re: #5 BlueCanuck

If Obama wins, expect all kinds of government grants to go to the dead tree liberal press.

If I just heard Hannity right, Denzel Washington, a Hollywood consevative contributed $25,000 to Obama. Ok, it's race, great!

re: #98 Fionn MacCumhaill

If Obama wins, expect all kinds of government grants to go to the dead tree liberal press.

With the first grant being a revived and refined Fairness Doctrine.

re: #98 Fionn MacCumhaill

Good point, I heard news print makes great insulation on those cold days and nights.

/hat tip homeless guy.

[Link: kepler.ss.ca.gov...]

I won't post the entry 'cause it contains addresses.

re: #4 Canadhimmis

some speculation as per the content of the videotape the LA Times is hiding from the American people:

1. Barack Obama participating in the night's festivities, taking his turn at the lectern toasting the terrorist Rashid Khalidi, toasting the PLO and bashing "the Zionists".

2. Barack Obama and his wife Michelle are shown sitting at the same table with domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn. Glasses are raised and a jolly ol' Jew-bashing time is had by the good friends Barack, Michelle, Bill and Bernadine.

3. Barack Obama takes his turn giving a speech bashing "the Zionists". Barack returns to his table where the above # 2 takes place.

OK then, I admit it, that's not just mere speculation as to the contents of the video and I may be engaged in some "audacity of hope".

That stuff would probably enhance his credibility with liberals.

re: #99 opnion

If I just heard Hannity right, Denzel Washington, a Hollywood consevative contributed $25,000 to Obama. Ok, it's race, great!

If he is really a 'Hollywood conservative' why would he donate to Obama?

I think we are looking at a 'CINO' lol

re: #99 opnion

Putting that contribution in perspective, Denzel Washington has made 36 movies, average gross over $44 million, so it's not a high percentage of his net worth.

re: #75 Tigger2005

That's new to you? I knew about al-Mansour like, six months ago! Nyah nyah!

Likely my brain couldn't absorb any more Obama radicals.

Yet even without knowing the specifics I have long believed that he is a Manchurian candidate like Trojan horse.

Picked in obscurity by radical elements and groomed and pushed and funded and protected for this moment in time.

Which is why I have an unshakable unnerving feeling of dread.

Is the Hannity special new?

Ummm... regarding early voting.

Please tell me that all these people voting early are somehow marked as "already voted" when 4 Nov comes?

Not to sound too racist, but with 14% of the population listed as Black, all the lines shown on the news for early voters look mainly black. What's to stop those 98% Obama voters from showing up, again, on the big Tuesday?

Nikkei up 1.01% May be a good Monday for us all. Finally.

re: #54 Moe Katz

Just from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, though. I wonder if tacking to the right with Palin was the smartest choice if the pendulum is going the other way.

Yes it was.

McCain was already having trouble with the base for not being conservative enough. If he had picked someone as left or more left than he is perceived to be, the base may have abandoned him altogether.

McCain impressed me with that pick in that it showed me that even if I disliked the guy on the basis of some of his past policies and votes, I could respect him for his willingness to nominate people to office that were good on their own merit.

It made it a lot easier for me to make what was going to be a difficult vote.

This is now an easy vote for me.

McCain & Palin '08!

Well, we'll all see. If the pendulum is really swinging, moderate Republicans could be due for a resurgence.

re: #97 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'd cut him some slack. He said black democrat as president. If he had said black man, that would have been race-baiting.

"Black" is the operative word in that statement. If she had merely said "Democrat" I wouldn't have as much problem with it -- but she made sure to qualify it with the word "black." Thus, my outrage.

re: #109 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ummm... regarding early voting.

Please tell me that all these people voting early are somehow marked as "already voted" when 4 Nov comes?

Not to sound too racist, but with 14% of the population listed as Black, all the lines shown on the news for early voters look mainly black. What's to stop those 98% Obama voters from showing up, again, on the big Tuesday?

I think that's the entire plan.

re: #109 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ummm... regarding early voting.

Please tell me that all these people voting early are somehow marked as "already voted" when 4 Nov comes?

I was wondering the same thing.

re: #110 spirochete

Going to take alot of 'good Mondays' to get back to break even lol

re: #104 middlecon

If he is really a 'Hollywood conservative' why would he donate to Obama?

I think we are looking at a 'CINO' lol

Yes, I'm very disappointed. Denzel seems like a good guy, but it comes down to race.

re: #110 spirochete

Nikkei up 1.01% May be a good Monday for us all. Finally.

Dow futures up over 100

re: #108 TheMatrix31

Is the Hannity special new?

I believe Hannity said Fox is rerunning it from a couple weeks ago.

I'm watching this Sean Hannity show, going through the reasons why we shouldn't vote for Obama (all lifted from blogs, without credit), and whoever thought it would be a good idea to put raucous anonymous rock music behind the whole thing is a real idiot.

It gives an unserious feeling to the show.

The mainstream media ... including Fox News ... simply stinks.

re: #99 opnion

If I just heard Hannity right, Denzel Washington, a Hollywood consevative contributed $25,000 to Obama. Ok, it's race, great!

How do these people get to contribute more than $2,300 btw?

I want the CDN $ back up in time for online Xmas shopping :(

Here is your friendly Marxist presidential candidate, talking about how best to redistribute wealth in America - legislatively, or judicially? Hmmmm...which way is best?

Email sent. Great timing, actually. As I drove 4 hours (one way) through PA to pick up a new pony, I saw a billboard with Cars.com on it. I made a note of it because the oldest is driving a 1997 Toyota Camry with 250k miles on it. I am pretty sure I'll be replacing it, probably in the near future. I emailed and said "won't be looking here until you insist they release the tape, or you stop advertising."

re: #123 capitalist piglet

Here is your friendly Marxist presidential candidate, talking about how best to redistribute wealth in America - legislatively, or judicially? Hmmmm...which way is best?

Oh, and it's in 2001.

re: #114 spirochete

re: #115 gop_patriot

Oh crap... now I know I won't get any sleep for the next 9 days... and probably not for the next four years.

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I bet he'd change his if McCain came out hard on illegals. McCain's R after his name is all they need to know that they are opposed to the issue.

The Bookworm Room has put together a list of contact addresses for the Los Angeles Times’ advertisers and owners, to ask them to demand that the Times release the video of Barack Obama being praised by former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi at a party attended by Obama, radical Palestinian activists, and Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

Now this is an action that may get some results.

If not in this case, than in others in the future and with other outlets.

I repeat what I quoted in another post: the NY Times, flagship of the Left, is in a financially weakened state, as is its advertisers (thanks to the "share the real estate wealth" policies of Nancy, Harry, and the sputtering Penguin, ACORN et al). A public, widespread boycott of its advertisers might open the fissure in its spine a lot wider.

re: #106 jaunte
Maybe it's just a down payment for an exemption when it comes to The One's spreading the wealth. You know, "Hey, Barack, remember me when it's time to exclude, say H-wood types (who supported you), from tax increases."

We got a few more in Pakistan:
[Link: www.geo.tv...]
Suspected U.S. strike kills eight in North Waziristan

Suspected US spy drones fired missiles on Sunday into an alleged militant compound in a Pakistani tribal area bordering Afghanistan, killing at least eight people, security officials said.

The air strike in South Waziristan -- a known hub of Al-Qaeda and Taliban activity -- was the latest in a string of attacks on Pakistani soil that have raised tensions between Islamabad and Washington.

The strike targeted a compound about 20 kilometres (12 miles) northeast of Wana, the main town in the tribal zone, the officials said.

"Initial reports say at least seven people were killed in the missile strike, which destroyed the facility," one senior security official told media.

There was no immediate confirmation of the strike from the Pakistani military or from the US-led coalition in Afghanistan.

Sunday's strike was the 12th such incident in the past 10 weeks, all of which have been blamed on U.S.-led coalition forces or CIA drones based in Afghanistan.

U.S. and Afghan officials say northwest Pakistan is a safe haven for Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants who sneaked in from Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban regime in late 2001.

But Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has vowed zero tolerance against violations of his country's sovereignty amid the strikes, which have stoked anti-U.S. sentiment in Pakistan.

Last week, 11 people were killed when suspected U.S. spy drones fired missiles into a school in North Waziristan set up by veteran Taliban militant Jalaluddin Haqqani, a major target for US forces, security officials said.

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Mama, you're going to love this one. At the dinner I mentioned in the previous thread, the hostess--who had no use for Palin as a candidate--still insisted on defending her as "pro-choice" because she had stressed that Bristol's getting married was "her choice." She also spoke up for Palin when the trashing started to get personal rather than political.

Then the guest who is a convert to Judaism, and black, who is strong for Obama, started on a denunciation of the soft NY policy on illegal aliens; his position on illegal aliens was well to the right of McCain's.

It was, all in all, a slightly surreal evening.

Between your friends and mine, I think we could throw one heckuva' dinner party, buzz. It'd redefine surrealism to an extent that Dali wouldn't recognize.

re: #77 StinkHammer

What can one expect from the Denver Post. Their PoliticsWest website has been practically an arm of the Democratic Party for the duration of this election cycle. They're also known for being liberal according to Denver locals.

re: #27 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Here wolf!

Here a wolf, there a wolf, everywhere a wolf wolf

Old McPalin had a gun, E-I-E-I-O

re: #121 Florida Lady

How do these people get to contribute more than $2,300 btw?

I could have the dollar number wrong.

re: #129 displaced yankee

I think Hollywood accounting is traditionally as convoluted as Chicago politics. They'll find a way to keep the money 'below the line.'

re: #120 Charles

I'm watching this Sean Hannity show, going through the reasons why we shouldn't vote for Obama (all lifted from blogs, without credit), and whoever thought it would be a good idea to put raucous anonymous rock music behind the whole thing is a real idiot.

It gives an unserious feeling to the show.

The mainstream media ... including Fox News ... simply stinks.

Maybe Fox is trying (too hard) to appear hip?

That audio barely sounds like him.

re: #120 Charles

Here, here. When I hear or read people say "Fox is our media" or not biased, I wonder if they are watching the same news I am. It is LESS bias than CNN, but that doesn't take much effort.

Hannity is not new, he is commentary - but I can only take him in small doses. His laugh grates on my nerves, and his talking over guests saying the same thing over and over is bordering on obnoxious.

If the media WANTED you to be informed, they’d inform you. But they have an agenda to only inform you about all the wondrous philosophy and grandiose platitudes that The One™ will bring to the masses. And those masses live among us. Some of them even get to be guests on Jerry Springer or Maury. My hope is that many of those masses will be so absorbed in their own dysfunction that they’ll forget to go and vote on 11/4.

I subscribe to no newspapers, and newspapers depend on their records of numbers of subscriptions to sell advertising. As far as I’m concerned, they can all go bankrupt tomorrow for all the good they do the public. So if you subscribe, cancel your subscription and send that message. And I don’t need newspaper’s coupons or sales advertising; a $.50 coupon isn’t going to make or break my game. ALL the news I need to hear is always available at LGF. And a lot of the rest can be seen at C-Span or with the news media on-line news stories for free. And kudos to you Charles, because it seems to take at least 24 hours for the Cable TV channels to pick up that which you have already alerted us lizards to. What would I do without LGF?

Thanks for listening to Grandma on this bright, clear, chilly evening in the Carolinas, and have a nice day.

re: #112 Moe Katz

Well, we'll all see. If the pendulum is really swinging, moderate Republicans could be due for a resurgence.

I sure wish someone would define what they mean when they say "Moderate Republican". What the hell does that mean?

re: #12 opinionated

Ever get the feeling that many of us here are living in some parallel universe?

This tape is not news anywhere where it would get people's attention.

And even if it was released, the popular press and media would ignore it completely.

The sum result is that us knowing all about Obama just makes things worse.

We are the Casandra media. We know the truth, we see the future, and we together with McCain can't convince the savior seeking mob that they are about to make a tragic mistake of monumental proportion by electing Obama.

Remember the midterm elections in 2010.

re: #113 StinkHammer

Okay, I just don't see anything wrong with it. I don't see how it's implying he's racist because he wouldn't vote for a black democrat. I'd never vote for black democrat either(or for that matter any demonrat). Black conservative? Sure!

This story is tailor made for Bill O'Reilly, think of him what you will, he HAS been tough on media malfeasance this year.

re: #109 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ummm... regarding early voting.

Please tell me that all these people voting early are somehow marked as "already voted" when 4 Nov comes?

Not to sound too racist, but with 14% of the population listed as Black, all the lines shown on the news for early voters look mainly black. What's to stop those 98% Obama voters from showing up, again, on the big Tuesday?

When I've early voted before (in my last state) I had to sign the voter roll. I assume all states do this, and check on Nov. 4...

re: #141 erisldysnomia

Remember the midterm elections in 2010.

You mean the one's that were cancelled to avoid confusing the public during the on-going national emergency.

re: #139 Grandma

Well said!

re: #139 Grandma

If the media WANTED you to be informed, they’d inform you. But they have an agenda to only inform you about all the wondrous philosophy and grandiose platitudes that The One™ will bring to the masses. And those masses live among us. Some of them even get to be guests on Jerry Springer or Maury. My hope is that many of those masses will be so absorbed in their own dysfunction that they’ll forget to go and vote on 11/4.

I subscribe to no newspapers, and newspapers depend on their records of numbers of subscriptions to sell advertising. As far as I’m concerned, they can all go bankrupt tomorrow for all the good they do the public. So if you subscribe, cancel your subscription and send that message. And I don’t need newspaper’s coupons or sales advertising; a $.50 coupon isn’t going to make or break my game. ALL the news I need to hear is always available at LGF. And a lot of the rest can be seen at C-Span or with the news media on-line news stories for free. And kudos to you Charles, because it seems to take at least 24 hours for the Cable TV channels to pick up that which you have already alerted us lizards to. What would I do without LGF?

Thanks for listening to Grandma on this bright, clear, chilly evening in the Carolinas, and have a nice day.

Grandma ... you rock.

re: #144 arethusa

When I've early voted before (in my last state) I had to sign the voter roll. I assume all states do this, and check on Nov. 4...

Lord, I hope so...

re: #144 arethusa

When I've early voted before (in my last state) I had to sign the voter roll. I assume all states do this, and check on Nov. 4...

But without ID and a whole host of names to choose from, it'd be easy I would imagine. I just hope this doesn't screw up the whole system like in 2000. Part of me wonders if this is the only way Obama can get anywhere near to ovrpowering the PUMA who are against him.

re: #121 Florida Lady

How do these people get to contribute more than $2,300 btw?

Obama is not taking public funds, so no real limits on the amounts.

re: #115 gop_patriot

I was wondering the same thing.

I am a presiding judge at a poll here in OH - anyone voting early is like voting absentee. I don't know how other states work, but we get a book with all the registered voters' names and addresses. Anyone who requests an absentee ballot is marked...whether they actually voted or not. So, if I request a ballot, don't vote it, and then show up on election day, I would have to vote provisional, which means I fill out all this paperwork and they research whether or not I voted or not.

The big plan that makes this an attempt to perpetrate fraud is that most of the poll workers are there for the $100 or so and don't really give a damn. So, I vote early, I show up at the polls, there are people in line behind me, and I make a scene. They give me a voting card to shut me up, and there you have it. I heard about poll workers in '06 wearing candidate shirts, in clear violation of the 100' rule. If you don't know already, OH is being stolen for the democrats.

re: #115 gop_patriot

I was wondering the same thing.

I work the polls on election day in Tennessee and I know that the system that is used prints that the person has early voted right where they sign their name. So, one way or another they will be caught. I would think that other systems work about the same way, thus part of the reason why there are a couple of days between when early voting ends and election day.

re: #125 capitalist piglet

Oh, and it's in 2001.

How can a supposed law student/lecturer/editor not understand that if; A bum steals a dollar from a millionaire, it is not the courts role to decide who needed it more,or who deserved it,or who would not miss it. It is the courts role to determine to whom it belonged and if one party stole the property of another.

re: #140 Syrah

I sure wish someone would define what they mean when they say "Moderate Republican". What the hell does that mean?

I'm a Canadian moderate and card-carrying Conservative. I know what that means to me in my own political context. What that's going to mean in the US is not for me to say. I think there will be a process in which this kind of position gets defined in the aftermath of Nov. 4 and its sequelae.

re: #138 ArmyWife

Here, here. When I hear or read people say "Fox is our media" or not biased, I wonder if they are watching the same news I am. It is LESS bias than CNN, but that doesn't take much effort.

Hannity is not new, he is commentary - but I can only take him in small doses. His laugh grates on my nerves, and his talking over guests saying the same thing over and over is bordering on obnoxious.

And his CONSTANT use of "Et Cetera, et cetera" drives me crazy.

As a student of Republicans, they are not always conservative. Far from it. We've only had about three conservative Presidents in the last 100 years, the rest spent like madmen and grew the size of the government.

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

Never mind that his entire "Giving tax breaks to 95%" of the populace -- of which only 40-some% actually PAY taxes -- is the very definition of redistributing wealth, a la Socialism.

What a disengenuous, slimey hack this Messiah is....

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey

I think it is term without definition. It's like saying that some one is a Republican, but only sort of. Like they are apologizing for being a Republican.

It must mean something other than that.

There is no neutral "press".

We can only hope to find balance in citizen journalism via the web.

Nikkei up 2.69 %

I was going to say, and see if anyone else has noticed, I think 0bambi has some new writers. Not that any of us tend to listen to him very carefully, I thought his wording was a little better in several recent rants that I was trying not to hear.

His whole campaign has been to paint McCain in ways that are totally inaccurate or imaginary, "defining McCain", managing the narrative.

This was *always* been a referendum on 0bambi, it was always going to be a referendum on the democraptic candidate whoever it was, simply given the eight years of Republican presidency, even if it had been a better one than this. On top of that, McCain has very little "pull". I was counting on 0bambi to "push" voters away. He's done a fair job of that, but so far, not good enough. The financial crash again makes the incumbent *party* less attractive, whoever and whatever the candidate.

The polls could be crooked, or wrong, the Bradley effect could still be out there, and McCain could pull out a few percent in the remaining days and pull the electoral vote, though he'll never get the overall popular vote, given California.

I'm noticing a few more McCain lawn signs showing up late in the game.

Go John Go!

re: #94 Palandine

She's a RINO. No Republican to the right of her would have bothered to show up on November 4; I certainly wouldn't.

Obama picked an elderly man with a decades-long undistinguished record in the Senate, a history of brain aneurysms, a penchant for saying stupid things, and the distinction of being the first or second guy to drop out of the dem primaries. All this while running on the platform of hopey changiness.

McCain picked the most popular governor in the country. He picked a self-made woman who rose in politics the way it used to be done--municipal, then state, then national. He picked a governor with the highest possible security clearance because of her job as Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. She will have 4 years to become the great President everyone knows she is capable of becoming. History has shown that she doesn't need 4 years to be impressive as hell.

In what bizarro world is it even debatable that Governor Palin is a spectacular choice, and the choice of Biden was a lame desperation move?

McCain wins by 2 to 3 percentage points. I will eat my hat if Obambi wins.

re: #135 jaunte

I think Hollywood accounting is traditionally as convoluted as Chicago politics. They'll find a way to keep the money 'below the line.'

It's Campaign Finance Reform. Thank you John.

re: #140 Syrah

I sure wish someone would define what they mean when they say "Moderate Republican". What the hell does that mean?

I'm a fairly moderate Republican as I see alot of merits in true Libertarian philosiphy. Very tiny federal government, more local control. Republicans like it or not have become a party of big government :(

re: #146 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You mean the one's that were cancelled to avoid confusing the public during the on-going national emergency.

If things get that bad, I think we'll have a coup, ex-Soviet Union style.

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

re: #165 Truck Monkey

McCain wins by 2 to 3 percentage points. I will eat my hat if Obambi wins.

After the endless Obama lawsuits, and leftist riots, you mean?

re: #165 Truck Monkey

McCain wins by 2 to 3 percentage points. I will eat my hat if Obambi wins.

Make sure you have some salt ready. ;)

Ok, so maybe you won't need to worry about whether you have some salt or not. :)

You know, no matter how one feels about Roe v Wade, a born individual is beyond argument a person. If you are born as result of a botched abortion you are still a person & if it happens here in the US at the moment of birth you are an American citizen .
Only Obama in the Illinois Senate thought that the baby should be denied medical care. The baby that triggered the issue was a Down baby that died a horrible death in a hospital that the Obamas had a financial interest in.
Obama is a monster, pure & simple he is a monster.

re: #169 erisldysnomia

Civil War American style. Accept no substitutes.

re: #170 ArmyWife

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

Now see my #158 above and have a good laugh.

re: #154 n in wi

How can a supposed law student/lecturer/editor not understand that if; A bum steals a dollar from a millionaire, it is not the courts role to decide who needed it more,or who deserved it,or who would not miss it. It is the courts role to determine to whom it belonged and if one party stole the property of another.

He's a scary guy, isn't he? The audio is very illuminating. It confirms what we already know about him, and more.

re: #170 ArmyWife

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

Wait. Barack Obama is a Socialist?

re: #157 rawmuse

As a student of Republicans, they are not always conservative. Far from it. We've only had about three conservative Presidents in the last 100 years, the rest spent like madmen and grew the size of the government.

1. Reagan
2. ?
3.?

re: #171 erisldysnomia

After the endless Obama lawsuits, and leftist riots, you mean?

Are you going to put the hat eating video on Youtube? lol

Not saying Obama is a lock but I wouldn't make any bets either way at this point.

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait. Barack Obama is a Socialist?

Yeah, that's code for black.

re: #152 tedzilla99

I'm worried about Ohio. I just hope that it won't go down like you are saying with people throwing fits and getting a new ballot anyway.

re: #153 Penguinchic

Sounds good, I remember now that I had to sign the roll. Hopefully there will be lots of security where people vote, and anyone trying to vote twice will be stopped in their tracks.

*sigh*

re: #112 Moe Katz

Well, we'll all see. If the pendulum is really swinging, moderate Republicans could be due for a resurgence.

I'm not sure I follow this. McCain won the nomination rather easily. Wouldn't you call him a "moderate Republican?" And then there is Giuliani, the guy who led in GOP polls for many months. Wouldn't you call him a "moderate?" Schwartzenegger? Our esteemed spend-and-spend Republican Congressmen? The president who signed McCain-Feingold....and spent and spent and spent?
I don't think "moderate Republicanism" needs a resurgence. I think it's doing quite well.

re: #158 StinkHammer

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

This is a variation of the irrational style of argument known as "appeal to fame" or "appeal to authority."

I'll be pissed (and wouldn't be surprised) if McCain wins the popular vote but still loses the electoral college.

I guess at that point, I'd be no different than the Gore losers in 2000.

re: #174 Iron Fist

Civil War American style. Accept no substitutes.

More like the revolutionary war, when families all over the colonies were split, even Benjamin Franklin's.

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama is no more a Socialist than Vlad Lenin was. Oh, wait...

re: #164 taxfreekiller

Institutional holders of large amounts of Tribune stock.

T. Rowe Price
Perry Capital LLC
Vanguard Group Inc.
Deutsche Asset Management America
State Street Global Advisors

The usual suspects. Personally, I love those guys. They honestly don't give a rat's ass about the politics of the property they own. They will short you, me, Obama and McCain indiscriminately depending solely on the perception of return.

But I sure know how to "copy and paste"

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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

re: #178 n in wi

I would include Eisenhower and Hoover.

re: #170 ArmyWife

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

I don't see that on the page. Where are you looking?

re: #170 ArmyWife

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

I think I'll go in to school tomorrow, total up the number of points earned by the entire class, then divide by the number of students to detwemine their grades, Those who did all the assignments and studied for their tests will have their points effectively taken away from them and given to those who didn't work or study, THEN they'll understand socialism,

re: #169 erisldysnomia

If things get that bad, I think we'll have a coup, ex-Soviet Union style.

Either way, it's baby out with the bathwater time and the trust in the peaceful passing of power we've had for over 200 years will be gone forever. :-(

re: #158 StinkHammer

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

Never mind that his entire "Giving tax breaks to 95%" of the populace -- of which only 40-some% actually PAY taxes -- is the very definition of redistributing wealth, a la Socialism.

What a disengenuous, slimey hack this Messiah is....

Vett Barack Obama, NOT Joe the Plumber! Not sure if anybody posted this. It's pretty funny.

re: #185 TheMatrix31

I'll be pissed (and wouldn't be surprised) if McCain wins the popular vote but still loses the electoral college.

I guess at that point, I'd be no different than the Gore losers in 2000.

I'd be surprised if that happens. If McCain wins, I think it will be because of the electoral vote.

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

"Moderate Republican" means "nominally acceptable Republican we won't immediately dismiss out of hand." Just like "Ultra-Orthodox," when applied to Jews, means "whackos whose concerns we disregard, but try not to laugh at too publically."

The Media definitions. Yes that's part of my point.

The Republicans should have more control over what the accepted names of their factions are than do the media.

I wish I knew how to do that.

re: #133 Alouette

Watch it. Specieist!

re: #184 erisldysnomia

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

This is a variation of the irrational style of argument known as "appeal to fame" or "appeal to authority."

I think it's more like "non sequitur".

Though it's a very good question, just what is Warren Buffet smoking?

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

I think I'll go in to school tomorrow, total up the number of points earned by the entire class, then divide by the number of students to detwemine their grades, Those who did all the assignments and studied for their tests will have their points effectively taken away from them and given to those who didn't work or study, THEN they'll understand socialism,

I double dog dare you to................................. MAHW...... ;)

re: #186 itellu3times

On the indian side of my family there were two Uncles of mine who went away for the Civil War. One fought for the Union, the other for the Confedracy.

Neither one came home.

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But I sure know how to "copy and paste"

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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Wow - that doesn't appear when I look at it. Unless I'm missing it.

re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait. Barack Obama is a Socialist?

Can't be -- Warren Buffet supports him.

Yes, they're serious.

re: #123 capitalist piglet

Here is your friendly Marxist presidential candidate, talking about how best to redistribute wealth in America - legislatively, or judicially? Hmmmm...which way is best?

Oh, my goodness! That's incredible.

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

I think I'll go in to school tomorrow, total up the number of points earned by the entire class, then divide by the number of students to detwemine their grades, Those who did all the assignments and studied for their tests will have their points effectively taken away from them and given to those who didn't work or study, THEN they'll understand socialism,

Those Yale and Harvard students who worked hard for 4.0's need to give up a grade point to the bums who earned 2.0's to "spread the wealth" and make things fair.

That'll teach 'em.

re: #199 doriangrey

I double dog dare you to................................. MAHW...... ;)

This made me think of you!

MWAH!

re: #175 StinkHammer

Warren Buffet? Seriously? THIS Warren Buffet who wanted to keep the estate tax and hand it over in $1,000 increments to those making less than $20,000?

Marxist Peas in a Socialist pod. Notice how the top of the food chain socialists get to keep their digs and household help? Its easy to be socialist when you know that is the category you fit in, isn't it?

re: #200 Iron Fist

On the indian side of my family there were two Uncles of mine who went away for the Civil War. One fought for the Union, the other for the Confedracy.

Neither one came home.

Not that families weren't split in the Civil War, but the battles themselves had more geographical definition.

re: #180 spirochete

He is a socialist socialist.

re: #158 StinkHammer

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

Never mind that his entire "Giving tax breaks to 95%" of the populace -- of which only 40-some% actually PAY taxes -- is the very definition of redistributing wealth, a la Socialism.

What a disengenuous, slimey hack this Messiah is....

Soros backs him, too...

re: #203 MandyManners

Oh, my goodness! That's incredible.

I have been arguing with lefties, whose basic message to me is that I'm imagining a Marxist boogeyman - that Obama is no such thing.

Just more "Who do you believe, me, or you're lying eyes" stuff. I'd like to hear them explain that away. And he ties it to the civil rights movement.

re: #201 capitalist piglet

Its at the top, a link above the definition.

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

I think I'll go in to school tomorrow, total up the number of points earned by the entire class, then divide by the number of students to detwemine their grades, Those who did all the assignments and studied for their tests will have their points effectively taken away from them and given to those who didn't work or study, THEN they'll understand socialism,

Be careful, you may find that very popular!

re: #205 goddessoftheclassroom

This made me think of you!

MWAH!

But...but...but I'm no player......................... I only wish I was.... ;(

re: #158 StinkHammer

Just heard an Obama clip on the radio news update (apparently an interview after his Denver rally) rebutting McCain's labeling of him as a Socialist. His retort? [paraphrasing] "Warren Buffet supports me, so how can I be a Socialist?" He was serious.

Never mind that his entire "Giving tax breaks to 95%" of the populace -- of which only 40-some% actually PAY taxes -- is the very definition of redistributing wealth, a la Socialism.

What a disengenuous, slimey hack this Messiah is....

My understanding is that Warren Buffett is giving all his wealth away upon his death. What does he care how much he's taxed? _I_ care--I want to be free to build up something good for myself and my family. I don't understand what angle Buffett is playing, and I don't care. Obama is transparently a Socialist--the child of two Socialists, talked Socialist theory while destroying dorms while in college, pals around with Socialists now.

re: #201 capitalist piglet

Wow - that doesn't appear when I look at it. Unless I'm missing it.

You're missing it. It is right at the top of the page below underneath the phonetic pronunciation.l

re: #148 Charles

Actually, Charles, "you rock".....I'm probably too old. Thanks for your vote of confidence. From someone who I respect, that's so encouraging.

re: #173 opnion

He is ice cold.

re: #201 capitalist piglet

I believe those are "targeted" ads- You might not see the same ad I see. They use complicated Al Gore Rhythms to target specific ads to specific people.

re: #215 Palandine

In fact, Obama's dad was a Communist, a Marxist that believed in 100 percent taxation, and wrote about it.

re: #178 n in wi

Coolidge.

Slow down, everybody!

Don't be unfair. Calling Obama a socialist is like calling him black.

Oh, wait . . .

re: #212 ArmyWife

Its at the top, a link above the definition.

Thank you...still looking. I don't know why it doesn't seem to be on my page, but it's probably some kind of blindness on my part. Clearly, others did see it - so good catch!

re: #217 Grandma

Actually, Charles, "you rock".....I'm probably too old. Thanks for your vote of confidence. From someone who I respect, that's so encouraging.

No, Charles does not "Rock".... Charles is Smmooottthhhh....................

re: #190 rawmuse
Thank you. Didn't Hoover raise taxes contributing to the Depression?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just asking cause I don't know.
Although Reagan also raised taxes I guess.

re: #182 wolfie

I'm not sure I follow this. McCain won the nomination rather easily. Wouldn't you call him a "moderate Republican?" And then there is Giuliani, the guy who led in GOP polls for many months. Wouldn't you call him a "moderate?" Schwartzenegger? Our esteemed spend-and-spend Republican Congressmen? The president who signed McCain-Feingold....and spent and spent and spent?
I don't think "moderate Republicanism" needs a resurgence. I think it's doing quite well.

Well, McCain had problems with his own base, which is why he had to find a socially conservative running mate. There seem to be a number of different dimensions involved, which aren't entirely correlated; fiscal, regulation vs. free market, social values, hawkish-dovish, etc. My gut instinct is that the pendulum is swinging back from the Reagan era values, and new positions will have to be defined along these dimensions.

re: #165 Truck Monkey

McCain wins by 2 to 3 percentage points. I will eat my hat if Obambi wins.

I think he wins too. I refuse to believe the rot has gone deep enough that we'll throw over the greatest country the world has ever known for surrender and Socialism.

'Not a Socialist' Obama questions:
• How long has the War on Poverty been going on?
• Who's winning?
• What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

re: #168 middlecon

I'm a fairly moderate Republican as I see alot of merits in true Libertarian philosiphy. Very tiny federal government, more local control. Republicans like it or not have become a party of big government :(

I have always considered myself to be a libertarian* Republican. I never thought that was a very "moderate" faction to be in since I can think of nothing about libertarianism that is "moderate" about anything.

But I hear you and suspect we would be more inline with each other than not.
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*as opposed to Libertarian in the Libertarian (Capital L) Party which is made up of people who know a great deal about libertarianism and next to nothing about politics.

re: #218 wolfie

He is ice cold.

Yup

re: #199 doriangrey

Dorian! How are you feeling?

re: #123 capitalist piglet

Here is your friendly Marxist presidential candidate, talking about how best to redistribute wealth in America - legislatively, or judicially? Hmmmm...which way is best?

Hey everyone! Listen to this! Then, upding CP.

re: #170 ArmyWife

Check this out! When you look up the definition of Socialism, there is a link asking you to sign up for Obama campaign activities. Quick! Someone cache the page, I have NO CLUE how!

Nice catch!

I think Obama is an average Democrat who believes in punitevely taxing production. Its good old class warfare politics.

Call it socialism if you want. I doubt the actual Socialist parties whoever they are consider Obama socialist enough.

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I believe those are "targeted" ads- You might not see the same ad I see. They use complicated Al Gore Rhythms to target specific ads to specific people.

Thanks, Ozark, and thanks to everyone who is trying to help me see it - this is what I get, at the top of my page:

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n.

re: #222 wolfie

I am not even sure Reagan qualifies as a fiscal conservative, he left some deficits, and had no balanced budgets during his term. He will be more known as the conqueror of the Cold War.

re: #232 rightside

Dorian! How are you feeling?

Feeling pretty good.... :)

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I believe those are "targeted" ads- You might not see the same ad I see. They use complicated Al Gore Rhythms to target specific ads to specific people.

I see the ad, too - does that mean I'm a socialist/Obama voter? ;-)

re: #224 capitalist piglet

Its a link to the Obama website - I wish I knew how to take a screen shot. Let me try.

re: #178 n in wi

1. Reagan
2. ?
3.?

Maybe if you count Reagan twice, since he served 2 terms ...

Was Teddy conservative?

re: #204 erisldysnomia

Those Yale and Harvard students who worked hard for 4.0's need to give up a grade point to the bums who earned 2.0's to "spread the wealth" and make things fair.

That'll teach 'em.

Thats what I tell my daughter when she regurgitates some of the lib crap she gets from UofM.[Minnesota]

re: #235 middlecon

I think Obama is an average Democrat who believes in punitevely taxing production. Its good old class warfare politics.

Call it socialism if you want. I doubt the actual Socialist parties whoever they are consider Obama socialist enough.

He's an academic without much of a cultural rooting in American culture and virtually no experience in business or government actually making things work. Also a liar and a politician, but I repeat myself.

re: #222 wolfie

Coolidge.

One of my favorite Presidents!

re: #229 jaunte

'Not a Socialist' Obama questions:
• How long has the War on Poverty been going on?
• Who's winning?
• What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

I can answer the 3rd question: The Democrat Solution. ;)

re: #171 erisldysnomia

After the endless Obama lawsuits, and leftist riots, you mean?

From the awesome guys at Hillbuzz, have you seen the vandalism against homes with McCain signs in Gainesville, Florida? Good people won't stand for that shit. The more the Obamatons show their hug nature, the more they'll be rejected by the American people.

re: #240 ArmyWife

Its a link to the Obama website - I wish I knew how to take a screen shot. Let me try.

Right click and choose "save as" and save as an .html file. I just did it.

re: #233 guzziguy

Hey everyone! Listen to this! Then, upding CP.

Thank you, guzziguy...I'm not a Freeper, but I think it originated there so I need to offer a hat tip in that direction.

re: #229 jaunte

'Not a Socialist' Obama questions:
• How long has the War on Poverty been going on?
• Who's winning?
• What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

And what's the exit strategy?

re: #213 itellu3times

Be careful, you may find that very popular!

Oh, you don't know teenagers! There would be an UPROAR! Of course those getting points they didn't earn would LOVE it,,,

re: #230 Syrah

I have always considered myself to be a libertarian* Republican...
*as opposed to Libertarian in the Libertarian (Capital L) Party which is made up of people who know a great deal about libertarianism and next to nothing about politics.

Big "L" party members are mostly eggheaded theoretical purists -- the party is generally a debating society with hardly any perception of political practicality.

re: #239 arethusa

I see the ad, too - does that mean I'm a socialist/Obama voter? ;-)

I hope not because I see it also.

re: #173 opnion

You know, no matter how one feels about Roe v Wade, a born individual is beyond argument a person. If you are born as result of a botched abortion you are still a person & if it happens here in the US at the moment of birth you are an American citizen .
Only Obama in the Illinois Senate thought that the baby should be denied medical care. The baby that triggered the issue was a Down baby that died a horrible death in a hospital that the Obamas had a financial interest in.
Obama is a monster, pure & simple he is a monster.

Thank you !

re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you don't know teenagers! There would be an UPROAR! Of course those getting points they didn't earn would LOVE it,,,

If you grade like most people, it's sort of the top half of the normal curve, and you will take points from the top 1/6, and distribute them to the others, who will generally be in favor of it!

re: #240 ArmyWife

Its a link to the Obama website - I wish I knew how to take a screen shot. Let me try.

Another way - just position the page the way you want it on your screen, and touch the "Prt Sc" (print screen) key on your keyboard. Go to a graphics program, open a "new" file, and paste it there.

re: #252 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

When I went back in, it was gone until I clicked the link on my original post and it was back. I did a print screen and saved it as a word file, but I can't post that here to show CP.

I'm not a member of the Libertarian party due to the obsession with the legalazation of drugs.

Not that I think its a horrible idea but thats what it always comes back to with them, potheads who just want to be free to smoke their pot lol

And now I'm sure the Paul wackos are there too...blech.

re: #242 n in wi

Thats what I tell my daughter when she regurgitates some of the lib crap she gets from UofM.[Minnesota]

Not from me, she doesn't...

re: #252 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I hope not because I see it also.

Wow. I must be doing something right. : )

re: #235 middlecon