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Obama on the 'Redistribution of Wealth'

Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT

In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.

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1 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:08pm
2 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:22pm

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

3 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:30pm

So, I'm guessing Charles has seen the video posted in the last thread?

4 Edouard  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:36pm

RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!

5 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:52pm

Truly unbelievable. But do they care or are they ok with this?

6 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:00pm

amazing video.

7 s.r.  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:24pm

And in a fair world, this would be front page news WORLD OVER tomorrow... Weather you agree with it or not, it's earth-sneakingly opposite of what the American People want.

8 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:27pm

Obama on the 'Redistribution of Other People's Wealth'

There ya go. All fixed.

9 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:30pm

re: #5 ArmyWife

i Hope not!

10 devil in baggy pants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:33pm

Joe was right.

11 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:35pm

re: #2 arethusa

No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.

12 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:02pm

Holy Hell! And they want to give Sarah Palin a hard time about not understanding the Constitution?!

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:20pm

The Constitution doesnt say what the Government must do on your behalf? The only thing I want the Government to do is leave me the fuck alone.

FUCK YOU BARRY!

14 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:28pm

i sent it to Levin. i dont know how to send to Hillaryclinton forum.

Does Rush have an email?
and should soemthing like this be sent via Drudge?

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:37pm

re: #4 Edouard

RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!

There is just enough time to do it, too. And nobody could plausibly declare this out of bounds.

16 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:50pm

re: #9 willowone

Me either, but I must say the Dems I am close too (ugh) ARE ok with socialism. Makes my head explode.

17 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:52pm

If you are making over forty grand a year and you vote for Obama you are insane. If you make less than that and vote for him you are delusional.

18 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:55pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

send to Hillary forums?

19 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:13pm

Someone needs to archive this video before it gets pulled.

20 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:32pm

"It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf."

Actually, it covers everything that the government must do on your behalf: Protect your rights by punishing those who initiate force against you. Any more or less, and you're trying to destroy the ideals of the U.S.!

21 MAV  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:53pm

Pray my friends that good will prevail against the evil forces in this world.

22 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:56pm

Imagine how people are going to react to hearing this given the way they reacted to what he said to Joe the Plumber. I can't imagine this gut being elected.

23 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:00pm

re: #16 ArmyWife

I would think they are the ages of my children than!

kids "Mom can ya buy me, What! mow the lawn? "

24 noshariaincanada  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:09pm

I'm sure Hannity will have this up tomorrow.

25 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:17pm

I'm amazed that wasn't scrubbed.

26 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:34pm

Bill of NO Rights (An oldie but a goodie)

We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bedwetters.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of Non Rights.

ARTICLE I -- You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any form of wealth.
More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II -- You do not have the right to never be offended.
This country is based on freedom, and that means the freedom for everyone, not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III -- You do not have the right to be free from harm.
If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful. Do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV -- You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generations of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V -- You do not have the right to free health care.
That would be nice but, from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in government run health care.

ARTICLE VI -- You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII -- You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII -- You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience.
We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight, if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.

ARTICLE IX -- You don't have the right to a job.
All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE X -- You do not have the right to happiness.
Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
If you agree that a understanding of no rights is necessary to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty," I strongly urge you to refer this to as many people as you can, or link it from your own webpages. No, you don't HAVE to ... Nothing tragic will befall you should you NOT refer it. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to re-emerge in our society and flourish again. Thank you!

27 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:51pm

0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.

28 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:05pm

Money get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're ok
Money,it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hans and make a stash
new car,caviar,four star daydream
think i'll buy me a football team

money get away
i'm alright Jack keep your hands off my stack
money it's a hit
don't give me that do goody good bullshit
i'm in the hi-fidelity first class travelling set
and i think i need a Lear jet

money,it's a crime
share it fairly,but don't take a slice of my pie
money,so they say
is the root of all evil today
but if you ask for a rise it's no a surprise that they're giving none away

29 zenren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:18pm

I hope this video gets spread far and wide.

30 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:03pm

Reposted from the previous thread:

At the end of the movie, Three Days of the Condor, Robert Redford tells Cliff Robertson that he (Redford) gave to the NY Times the story of how a renegade CIA officer conconcted a plot that led to the murder of seven or eight people. Robertson replied "How do you know they'll publish it?" Not unlike the media's love affair with Obama.

31 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:25pm

But we can't tell that 0bama said this because this is audio- we don't actually see this coming out of his mouth.

/JustMyView mode off

32 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:12pm

re: #2 arethusa

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

33 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:13pm

This is what a leftist intellectual sounds like when they preach to the choir. Frightening

34 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:20pm

I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.

35 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:33pm

If you spread that bullshit around you could cover an acre.

36 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #23 willowone

Sadly, they are the ages of my parents in law.

37 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:58pm

i wish i knew how to snapshot things, save Videos. all these things that i should know.

38 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #2 arethusa

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

$400k.

Plus expenses.

39 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:30pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

You forgot "And know one cares anyway."

40 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:44pm

re: #34 ArmyWife

nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?

41 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:56pm

re: #32 rightside

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

That's the spirit!

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

42 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:06pm

No surprise here.

I would venture to guess alot of Obama voters would agree with the whole idea of 'redistribution of wealth' its what the whole punitive 'tax on the rich' / 'windfall profit tax' is all about.

I always wonder if Obama and Buffett are such big fans of the Government controlling the money why don't they give the IRS some extra checks every year?

43 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:11pm

re: #27 jetprop

0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:25pm
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

45 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:29pm

re: #36 ArmyWife

I don't get it.

46 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:56pm

re: #25 Quilly Mammoth

Somebody screwed up, thank God.

47 zenren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:00pm

Legislating the redistribution of wealth sure sounds like socialism to me. It is un-fricking-believable that this guy is possibly about to win POTUS.

Sometimes I think I am living in bizzarro world. WAKE UP AMERICA!

48 LEGION  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:19pm

Channeling Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle--Surprise Surprise Surprise!
Mainstream Media will not tell just like the LA Times- so what else is new? The Fifth estate took over the 4th estate (the media) and they may have won. Just keep repeating- Bradley effect Bradley effect!

49 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:32pm

Here's a tool for anyone who is afraid this will get 'scrubbed'

Just put in the url of the video and download it on your hard drive.

[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]

50 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:39pm
51 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

It doesn't, which is why it opens the Bill of NO Rights (Rights you don't have, in other words)

52 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm

WHAT!?!?!

53 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:00pm

re: #45 willowone

Unless your children are in their mid to late 60s, they aren't your children's age. The ones I am talking about are my age (37, so think 35-40) and my parents in law, (60-70 age bracket).

54 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:15pm

Would not Obama's approach be stealing?

It certainly has no freedom in it.

I cannot believe that the citizens of this country would vote this man in.

He will wreck us by penalizing productivity and rewarding slack.

We will get less productivity and more slack.

55 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:22pm

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.

56 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:27pm

Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.

57 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:38pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Yea' but, you know,

How can you tell a Democrat is lying?

His/her lips are moving.

58 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:46pm

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

59 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:50pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, he's got to make back some of the billion dollars he spent to get there.

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

60 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:54pm

I just buzzed this on Yahoo. I hope others will help it gain votes.

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:00pm
62 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:17pm

Scratch my comment in #51. I read it too fast.

63 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:20pm

re: #11 ArmyWife

No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.

I think the common spelling is "Grand Poobah!"

64 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:29pm

re: #32 rightside

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

I dunno, it's not much in NBA terms, but what would you have in mind? Remember, it includes meals, health care, and access to Camp David.

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #40 willowone

nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?

They'll use it. This'll be on The O'Reilly Factor by Tuesday. And it'll cost Obama a full point in the polls at least.

66 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:40pm

re: #59 pablito

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

It's "economic justice" doncha know.

67 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:45pm

re: #54 Ojoe

I think he knows, and is a saboteur.

68 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:52pm

re: #49 middlecon

ty, i really need to do this type of thing to help.
thanks for a skill.

69 StinkHammer  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:53pm
Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.”

But he's not a Socialist, 'cause Warren Buffet supports him.

70 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:54pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

Chump change for the position...

71 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:59pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

(cursing) WHO is he selling out to, raising this amount of cash!

72 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:02pm

re: #41 arethusa

Hell, once you are elected to the house, you get a lifelong pension, IIRC. Two year term, and we pay for the rest of our lives.

73 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:06pm

And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.

Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!

And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.

But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?

74 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:12pm

What a genius Obama is! He's got it all figured out. Just take money from one person and give it to another. Such originality. I am sure no one has ever thought of THAT one before.

Sheesh...

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

There is still a possibility that all that cash investment will have no return.

76 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:16pm

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

77 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon
good deal.

78 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:21pm

I have it downloaded and saved, in case it gets removed.

79 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:30pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

And how much of it came from - er - questionable Mideast sources via credit card?

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:56pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Like father, like son. His father's thoughts on economics read were much the same. Reds, both of them Reds.

81 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:09pm

re: #67 jaunte

I don't think he knows, I think he is monumentally stupid.

82 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:10pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?

LOL.that or trying to sound intellectual, I presume..or it's that hypnotist thingy :-)

83 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:22pm

There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.

But, the whole is WONDERFUL.

84 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:38pm

re: #66 pablito

It's "economic justice" doncha know.


re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

He and Michelle are going to wipe their arses with the Constitution.

85 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:40pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.

86 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:43pm

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?

87 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:45pm

re: #34 ArmyWife

I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.

LOL!

88 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:49pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

Yes, that's what you heard.

89 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:02pm

re: #81 Ojoe

I hope your interpretation is right.

90 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.

Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!

And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.

But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?

OK, this audio simply has to become part of the campaign.

Would someone who's a touch typist please transcribe?

91 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

That's easy:

Redistributing wealth and "reparations" will establish "social justice", insure domestic Tranquility by forestalling rioting in the streets and promote underserved welfare, among other benefits.

//

92 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:22pm

re: #79 erisldysnomia

That is the 64,000,000 dollar question.

93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:27pm

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

94 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:34pm

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

95 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:46pm

re: #83 MandyManners

There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.

But, the whole is WONDERFUL.

Trivial shit but, it still bugs me. I'm not saying I'm perfect but, I don't put up an ad on YouTube.

96 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:48pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

Soros can't be POTUS, so he's buying himself one.

97 Penguinchic  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:57pm

You do know that he also plans on having those who make over $250,000 return the tax cuts that they received for the last eight years because it is only fair.

98 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:09pm

I sent to Drudge.

His reach, if he picks it up, is tremendous.

99 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:13pm

Saving for Greatness
by Luke Setzer

Your savings, believe it or not, affect the way you stand, the way you walk, the tone of your voice -- in short, your physical well-being and self-confidence. A man without savings is always running. He must. He must take the first job offered, or nearly so. He sits nervously on life’s chairs because any small emergency throws him into the hands of others.

Without savings, a man must be too grateful. Gratitude is a fine thing in its place. But a constant state of gratitude is a horrible place in which to live. A man with savings can walk tall. He may appraise opportunities in a relaxed way, have time for judicious estimates and not be rushed by economic necessity.

A man with savings can afford to resign from his job if his principles so dictate -- and for this reason he will never need to do so. A man who can afford to quit is much more useful to his company and therefore more readily promoted. He can afford to give his company the benefit of his most candid judgments.

A man with savings can afford the wonderful privilege of being generous in family or neighborhood emergencies. He can take the level stare of any man ... friend, stranger or enemy. That ability shapes his personality and character.

The ability to save has nothing to do with the size of income. Many high-income people spend it all. They are on a treadmill, darting through life like minnows.

The dean of American bankers, J.P. Morgan, once advised a young broker: "Take waste out of your spending; you’ll drive the haste out of your life."

If you do not need money for college, a home or retirement, then save for self-confidence. The state of your savings does have a lot to do with how tall you walk.

100 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #59 pablito

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

YES ! Social justice!

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:23pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

For the One Government IS G-d.

102 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:26pm

To that insipid little tune,

"Barak is going to bleed us..."

103 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:29pm
104 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:35pm

re: #88 Charles

I find it hard not to let loose a string of curse words on hearing that...

105 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:37pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

He might understand it but, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT.

106 Pepper  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm

I want my constitutionally enumerated negative rights upheld by the courts of economic justice. It is only fair.

/sarc

107 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm

re: #85 razorbacker

When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.

Then the Dems are certainly fishing for a master fish.
;)

108 poopeedoo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:05pm

re: #28 MarkX

Pink Floyd?

109 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:11pm

re: #98 Syrah

He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.

110 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:25pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Yes.
Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]

111 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope. Its automatic when in that position - even if he couldn't get one if he applied to be a janitor as NSA.

112 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:39pm

ok, it's downloading, now i'll have to learn how to retrieve it.

113 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:48pm

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".

114 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:55pm

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?


I think I've heard before that elected officials don't have to be approved for security clearances?

115 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:21pm

Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?

'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.

116 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:32pm

Obama said,

"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

117 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm

Let's make this go viral.

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm

re: #113 Ojoe

There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".

Obama is the Messiah, after all.

119 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:42pm

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

120 LEGION  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:49pm

If he wins and raises the taxes I ain't paying- come and get me! Have most of the nation join in and watch the laws change retroactively! Get impeachment proceedings ready for him.

121 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:53pm

Under Obamunism, the only question is it there will be blood or there may be blood. Only Obamunist Democrats believe the may part. They are fantasist's.

122 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:58pm

re: #71 Ojoe

The point of militant socialism is to ruin the country. THEN to reshape it in the fashion they want. Google the Cloward-Piven Strategy for details (for one, as posted on American Thinker).

123 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:00pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

He was saying it like was a bad thing that the Constitution defined what the Government wasn't supposed to do to you.

I knew he was a commie rat bastard, but this is just... enough. Too much. I hope I hear a lot about this tomorrow.
Sure as hell I'll be talking about it.

124 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:01pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D

125 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:03pm

A brilliant find.

This might just do it.

So, if the dems take the house and the senate and the WH, then, the change in legislation that Barry Hussein favours over using the courts will be a piece of cake...

But, but, but, I was only eight years old when Ayers was doing those awful things and besides, I thought he had been rehabilitated

126 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:15pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

Yes, I know. It's for a personal argument. I figure you guys would be able to help me out. Here's what the guy said:

---

@ Matrix: if Obama were really a person with proven clear ill intent towards the United States, I'd doubt the FBI and/or Secret Service would let him anywhere near the Capitol Building when he went to report to work every day. Security in national government buildings in DC has tightened considerably since 9/11, and I'd doubt they'd let someone with strong ties to terrorism walk in and out of any major executive building unchecked, let alone work as a United States senator in the Capitol building. Beyond that though, a hypothetical question: suppose Obama is elected. What are the consequences of that, in your honest opinion, specifically with regard to the things you've been posting?

127 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:21pm

re: #115 erisldysnomia

Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?

'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.

Will YouTube yank it?

128 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:23pm

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

129 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #117 MandyManners

ace of spades maybe?

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:30pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

I doubt that he fails to understand the point, he just wants to change it.

131 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:33pm

re: #81 Ojoe

He knows, Ojoe.

132 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:40pm

re: #103 Iron Fist

Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.

Truly true, and truly amazing.

133 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:46pm

re: #55 Eeyore Trout

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.


What if he does?

134 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:47pm

This is the bit that jumped out at me:

...and to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

Translation: you're too stupid to know how to take care of yourself, so we're going to do it for you. Whether you like it or not.

135 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:52pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Obama said,

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

Pessimistic?!? The negative liberties were the whole idea! America's major fight for the past 200+years has been to try and keep it that way!

136 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:56pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Gee, kinda hard not to get the impression that he doesn't like the Constitution.

137 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:07pm

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I can understand Communism in Hawaii. Before Capt. Cook, there was a King, and the King owned everything, even your own person. if you owned something it was because the King allowed it.

Not that far removed from Communism, when you ponder it a bit.

138 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm

re: #133 Racer X

What if he does?


He might win the election.

139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm

re: #124 vxbush

Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D

Also accurate in Barry's case

140 SeafoodGumbo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:45pm

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

141 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:47pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

If they do, I think enough people have archived it and will put it on available servers.

142 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:54pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

I've got it saved and ready to repost at YouTube and many other numerous sites if that happens.

143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:57pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

State Senator

144 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:04pm
145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:08pm

re: #2 arethusa

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

$400K now...

146 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:10pm

re: #140 SeafoodGumbo

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

it's a radio show

147 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:15pm

Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.

148 guzziguy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:23pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

State of Ill. senate.

149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:25pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

That may be his term as ILL Senator, not U.S. Senator.

150 talon_262  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:30pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

He was an Illinois state senator before being elected to the US Senate in 2004.

151 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm

obama is literally trying to buy the presidency. he is in all the swing states boring the hell out of people w/ 24/7 propaganda.
that could back fire on him big time. just imagine hearing his bs night and day non stop.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Let's make this go viral.

The virus isn't the video though, it's Obama. < Agent Smith > Barack Obama is a disease. And we... are the cure. < /Agent Smith >

153 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:00pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Obama said,

"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

154 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:07pm

re: #140 SeafoodGumbo

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

It is a recording of a radio broadcast. Did you hear it?

155 Dalibama  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:15pm

No wonder they have encouraged early voting.

Why is it that I don't think all the billionaires around Obama will be redistributing their wealth?

This audio apparently has been on the website for a while. What happened to opposition research?

156 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:19pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?

157 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:48pm

How's this YouTube piece doing on the social networking sites?

158 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:08pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

Shocking? The American people think that they're (we're) too well insulated to get a shock.

Experience is a harsh teacher, but effective.

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:12pm

re: #156 Soona'

But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?

No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:13pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Let's make this go viral.

Yes- Lizards- give this post a Buzz at yahoo and use the "Share This" feature.

161 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:18pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.

Uh, he's been mentioning it all over the place. In fact, a member of the Kansas City Star editorial board decided he didn't like it, so he announced that socialism is a code word for black.

162 Defogger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:27pm

I heard this somewhere, once before. Nevertheless, it will never make the MSM.

What bothers me is that this is going to be a close election.

It. Should. Not. Be. Close.

Doesn't ANYONE (other than a Lizard) understand our Constitution anymore?

163 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:35pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

Let them. I have it downloading now and I'll re-up it if they take it down, with full credit to the original author of course.

164 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:44pm

re: #99 gmsc

Thank you .I am sending a copy to my son, who never met a dime he didn't want to spend.

165 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:27pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

That won't stop him from swearing to uphold it.
Not for a minute.

166 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:28pm

This is looking less like an election and more like a media led coup de tat with an aim towards sizing power and doing away with the constitution as we know it.

167 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:32pm
168 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:41pm
169 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:44pm

re: #147 Jimash

Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.

I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).

170 oh_dude  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:49pm

Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."

(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)

171 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:52pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

No, there is nothing to object to in this. They may review it, but I would expect them to leave it up.

172 SeafoodGumbo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:02pm

re: #146 erisldysnomia

re: #154 Syrah

Thanks. I do now. The sound was off.

173 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:40pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

Destroy the Constitution then rape the Nation to fulfill a twisted sense of social justice doesn't exactly build bridges unless the primary building materials are matches, kerosene and TNT. Barak Obama thinks the ends justifies the means.

174 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:01pm

This audio was scrubbed from wbez website I believe ...when I was looking around some time ago I saw an audio of Ayers and another professor on the wbez website in the archives of google ...there was one of Senator Government but it was taken out of the archives ... wonder how this person got the audio ... there must be some in Chicago who do not want this guy elected ...now if only they would come up with more ...here is where it was and you cannot access it now ...

[Link: web.archive.org...]

175 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:03pm

re: #108 poopeedoo

check

176 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #135 gmsc

The BOR is concerned with that but in there it doesn't distinguish what the things the States can't do to you as opposed to what the Feds can't do to you. Your rights are inalienable. Its not as if some can be violated by the Feds and others only by the States. Thats my point. And BTW, the bulk of the Constitution was concerned with the sharing of power between the States and the Federal Government.

And it was summed up in the 10th amendment which says..

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

I think that is what Obama was confused about trying to inject the 10th amendment into the civil rights discussion.

177 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:30pm

Obama desires a USSA-United Socialist States of America.

"Mr. Obama, tear down these walls."

178 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:47pm

Read this for an upper!

SNIP:

I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.

179 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:11pm

I'm going to flog this link again, to Stanley Kurtz' fine piece on Obama's early political career. It helps illuminate some of the themes dramatized in this tape.

Kurtz:
"Obama's overarching political program can be described as "incremental radicalism."
...
"Fundamentally, he is a big-government redistributionist who wants above all to aid the poor, particularly the African-American poor. Obama is eager to do so both through race-specific programs and through broad-based social-welfare legislation. "Living wage" legislation may be economically counterproductive, and Obama-backed housing experiments may have ended disastrously, yet Obama is committed to large-scale government solutions to the problem of poverty. Obama's early campaigns are filled with declarations of his sense of mission-a mission rooted in his community organizing days and manifest in his early legislative battles."

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

180 tradewind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:19pm

O/T to a minor degree, but did anyone see MTP this morning and come away with the feeling that Tom Brokaw is really going to vote for McCain?
There was just something about the end of the interview, a tone... it made me feel as if he was pulling for him.
So not NBC of him, and he was careful not to let it show, he thought... but in the middle of the palpable bias of his colleagues, there was just something different about the way he approached McCain.

181 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:21pm

Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

182 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:23pm

re: #159 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.

That's right. How unwashed of me.

183 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:29pm

re: #142 gmsc

How do you save it?

184 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:31pm

re: #170 oh_dude

Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."

(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)

Brady Bunch reference . . . YES
Obscure . . . NO

185 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:37pm

Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.

186 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:45pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?

187 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:59pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #149 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #150 talon_262

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok! Thanks, guys.

188 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:06pm

This is the #1 video on Breitbart right now

189 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:24pm
190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:43pm

re: #178 Typicalwhitey

I'll just ignore all polls, thank you very much. Why waste skull sweat trying to refine dross and dreck? :)

191 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:51pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.

Cheer up Kilgore.

There will be plenty of time for long faced hopelessness after the riots, recounts and lawsuits.

192 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:53pm

re: #181 MrPaulRevere

Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

No. No, it's not just you.

Social justice should do it for you, too.

193 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:02pm

re: #186 n in wi

Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?

Why not? He hates living and breathing babies from botched abortions.

194 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:03pm

Put a McCain/Palin 08 sign on your front lawn.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:10pm

re: #38 itellu3times

$400k.

Plus expenses.

And a really cool jet.

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:13pm
197 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:41pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!

198 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:44pm

TRANSCRIPT:

MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.

You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.

The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

199 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:56pm

Punished with a baby government whose powers are restricted.

200 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:19pm

Abortion!

Finally at LGF.

201 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:21pm

he starts by talking about how the success of the civil rights movement did not go to the extent of addressing economic injustice. when he and the caller start talking about legislation to address reparative issues, I believe they mean reparations for African-Americans, and not so much as a socialism-for-all mindset that he seems to be pursuing now. in either case its wrong, just an observation.

202 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:27pm

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

203 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:43pm

Just notice all the things from the preamble to the Constitution that he is ignoring:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Items in bold are things that Mr. Constitutional Law Lecturer is clearly ignoring. It comes from the people, not the courts. The actions described in the document are so determined by the people to create a better union, establish justice, etc. The common defense is handled by the government. The welfare of which it speaks is a general welfare, not a redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have nots.

It's amazing how he can read the same document as us and come up with diametrically opposite views. But then again, he wants to ignore this document.

204 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:45pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And a really cool jet.

Soon to be renamed Air Force The One!

205 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:48pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Please.

206 tradewind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:52pm

re: #186 n in wi

'Living breathing ' is moonbat speak for ' creeping and encroaching '.

207 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:54pm

re: #198 Alouette

Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?

208 Palandine  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:55pm

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):

Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.

Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.

...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.

209 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:18pm

re: #183 sngnsgt

How do you save it?

I'm on a Mac, so I used Tube TV.

If you're on Windows, try Ares Tube.

210 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:22pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

I get the part about negative liberties, I was pointing out how the words..

It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

And I don't see the Constitution quite like that. That leads one to believe that certain individual rights are State-granted and others are Federally granted. That misses the whole point. Your rights are inalienable. Neither the State Government nor the Federal Government granted them to you.

211 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:32pm

re: #204 arethusa

I heard "Air Peace by The One". Force is so...agressive.

/

212 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:41pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.

213 OldLineTexan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:59pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

Oh, he understands. That's why it has to go.

214 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:01pm

re: #207 Syrah

Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?

Transcribed here

215 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:35pm

re: #208 Palandine

I've re-read those recently myself.
Prescient, wasn't she?

216 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:01pm

re: #205 ArmyWife

Please.

You do know what I am talking about right?

217 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:09pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.

218 Promethea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:19pm

re: #56 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

219 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:20pm

re: #214 Alouette

Transcribed here

Thanks.

220 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #198 Alouette
wow

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way

So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts

221 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:33pm

re: #131 wolfie

I don't want to think anyone could be that bad.

222 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:36pm

Though I'm but a mere college student, I plan to be successful once I'm done here, and God willing maybe even earn more than the magical $250k/year (gasp).

I intend to do this on my own merits and without any gummint aid. And when I do, I fully intend to enjoy the fruits of my labors.

Maybe that sounds boastful or haughty-but it's not supposed to be. What I'm trying to say is, when I hear "Redistribution of Wealth" all I can see it as is "Redistribution of my Potential."

I don't know how so many of my peers could see it otherwise, particularly any of those with drive or ambition. I guess my parents just raised me well.

223 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:48pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

The prolonged existance of Geraldo truly is a serious intergalactic crisis.

224 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:50pm

re: #169 Racer X

I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).

Fortunately I am used to not having any money.
But after hearing Senator Obama's words, I actually fear for my "stuff".
You can scoff, but I like my stuff.

The point about the negative rights creating a wide vista of liberty as
opposed to a delineation of rights that lock you in a box, works for me.
Thank you Buzz, etc.

225 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:53pm

Radical Economic Change and Halloween is on Friday...Fright Night!

226 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:01pm

Jeez, I crack open the laptop tonight.. "let's see what's going on in the world". Right there on the front page of LGF is my worst nightmare. A quote from a guy who isn't just ignorant, or naive.. a guy who has the background to know the complexities of the question of The Wealth of Nations. And he does not believe in it. And he has the law background to put it into the proper context in the American judicial history. And, who is being carried by the msm mosh pit to the presidency. And if he makes it to the stage, he will stand there along side Pelosi and Reid - all three branches. All old enough to know better, and all willing to do what they'll do anyways.

I hope everyone in the swing states watch the Obama channel. And I hope they understand how insane it all is.

227 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:16pm

re: #198 Alouette

TRANSCRIPT:

MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.

You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.

The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

Reading it makes it even more scary.

228 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:19pm
229 Dasher  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:32pm

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

230 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:47pm

The Manchurian Community Organizer.

231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:54pm
232 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:55pm

re: #222 FortunateSon

Actually you want the magic 125K as long as it's just you. The 250K number, I believe, is for couples filing jointly.

233 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:05pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

Oh noes!

This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!

Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:06pm

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

235 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #210 Mich-again

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

236 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #217 n in wi

Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.


months,not moths

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:34pm
238 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #218 Promethea

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

Soros

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:06pm

In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.

240 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm

re: #216 doriangrey

yep! as in "Oh, please, Geraldo. This is SO not an international crisis".

How do I know? My husband is still downstairs - not on post taking care of bizz- ness, not packing, but surfing the net.

241 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm

re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans

For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.

Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.

242 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:22pm

re: #236 n in wi

"months,not moths"

I was enjoying a mental image of Biden in a Silence of the Lambs poster.

243 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:29pm

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

It's in the Constitution that they will be compensated. They are, of course, allowed to waive that compensation anytime they wish, but they don't.

244 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:32pm

re: #208 Palandine

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):

Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.

Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.

...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.

A couple of videos and audios you might enjoy:
Anthem (audio reading of a shorter work with a similar theme, also by Ayn Rand)
"This is John Galt speaking...": This is a series of videos of John Galt's speech at the climax of the book. You might want to save this for later, so as not to spoil your enjoyment of Atlas Shrugged.

245 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:42pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Everything is a major crisis to Geraldo. He's pissed that hurricane season is over.

246 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:44pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!

We the People will not go quietly !

247 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:57pm

re: #229 Dasher

Something is saying "You are not it, ArmyWife"

248 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:16pm

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

I read somewhere that Pelosi plans to pass a Congressional pay raise after the election. (As well as a host of other needless things.)

249 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #5 ArmyWife

My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.

Fred

250 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:24pm

re: #233 Racer X

Oh noes!

This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!

Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.

Israel does. . . psss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?

Wake the hell UP!

251 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:25pm

that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.

252 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:33pm

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

253 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:47pm
254 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:52pm

re: #215 Van Helsing

Are you the same Van Helsing who runs the 'moonbattery' site? If so you do great work.

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:57pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Bounty is paid for left front foreleg only.

No, then we might end paying them welfare for their disability. For the men, let's take their balls. If they riot for Obama, they shouldn't be reproducing.

256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:08pm

re: #236 n in wi

months,not moths

With Biden anything he says tends to draw flies so why not a few moths? ;)

257 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:09pm

You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.

258 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:10pm

re: #252 Charles

On my site, sent to friends, shared with FB.

259 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:11pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

Hi Sharmuta, hope you're doing well. It seems now like he understands it, and still thinks it's Wrong, All Wrong. He says "reinterpretation" - that doesn't mean we were interpreting it wrong the whole time.. it means he wants to use maneuvering and bullying to have the interpretation changed.

260 womball  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:16pm

Ooh you did make this a topic! I hope the media is forced to whitewash this too.

261 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:38pm

re: #229 Dasher

Conyers will put the Slavery Reparations bill up for a vote this coming session, just like he does every session. This time may be the magic BB.

262 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:40pm

re: #223 Quad Mocha Matti

If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. ...Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!

263 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:41pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.

CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"

264 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:58pm

re: #41 arethusa

That's the spirit!

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

Hey, the country could always go broke and not have the $169K/year.

265 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:03pm

re: #252 Charles

I've emailed it to every blog I read and Drudge.

266 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:38pm

re: #208 Palandine

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Watch out for that stuff, it'll put hair on your palms.

But yeah, there is nothing new under the sun.

267 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:44pm
268 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:45pm

re: #251 alien_mind

that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.

Nah, just a typical public radio listener, a sycophant.

269 shanec99  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:59pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?


If he were he would be following the footsteps of a great American President (George Washington).
George and he have nothing in common.
Not service to the nation (Washington served our nation in uniform during a time of peril, Obama accuses our military of atrocities while they are confronting the enemy on the battle field).
Not in who his associates are (George Washington's asoociates were Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Ben Franklyn... Obama's associates are Ayers, Wright and various other terrorists and racists).
Not resisting our enemies foreign and domestic.
Not believing in the principle of the sanctity of private property.
and not especially honesty (George Washington was known for his honesty... need we continue?)
NOTHING.

270 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:10pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've added it to StumbleUpon. Anyone stumbling with the tags economics, politics, socialism, video, obama, republican, or democrat will see it.

271 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:11pm

re: #246 mama winger

Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.

272 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:22pm

re: #203 vxbush

General Welfare reporting for duty!

273 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've been around this site for a little while now, Charles. This is the first time I've seen you make these kinds of entreaties. I agree with you, of course. It's coming close to D-Day. And it's serious stuff.

274 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm

re: #246 mama winger

You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!

We the People will not go quietly !

He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".

275 SlapLeather  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:32pm

This is the emerging rebuttal:

"Redistributive justice and redistribution of wealth are two different things. As a not so minor example. In MA the state legislature decided that renters should be able to deduct a percentage of their annual rent in lieu of mortgage deductions such as home owners get automatically. That's redistributive justice."


keep the change

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #257 TheMatrix31

You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.

A transcript is either the exact words as spoken, or it might as well never see the light of day. People have trouble understanding the issue involved should have someone handy to explain what they don't understand.

277 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.

That is clear- you do wonderful posts!

278 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:56pm

re: #221 Ojoe

I know.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:58pm

re: #263 Quad Mocha Matti

CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"

Indeed. That is a very good amendment to the title.

280 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:06pm

re: #197 Quad Mocha Matti

...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!

Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"

281 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:22pm

re: #229 Dasher

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)

282 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:34pm

re: #41 arethusa

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?

283 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:39pm

re: #254 MrPaulRevere

No. I didn't realize I had poached someone else's nic.

284 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:04pm

re: #280 The Archivist

Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"

We love Zombie here!

285 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:05pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

286 Griffon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:09pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Is this a joke?

/Channeling Joe Biden

287 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:29pm

Gateway Pundit has it up!

288 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:34pm

THIS is why I really can't stand early voting. You vote before all the information has been located.

289 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:39pm

we need a over 21 thread so i can really say what i think about obama's circle jerk media and the un-natural acts they are doing to his spinkter.

290 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:40pm

re: #179 jaunte

Thank you for re-posting that important document for those who may not have seen it.
I grew up in Hyde Park, delivered the Hyde Park Herald, and in the years after World War 2, watched the neighborhood turn into shit. Berkley is a "communist kindergarten" compared to Hyde Park. By the time I left the place in the late 50s the term "white Negro's" was a well know local term to describe whites who had adopted black culture. Jeff Fort was on the way up and Jesse Jackson was "hanging around" at 57th and Woodlawn. Elijah Muhammad had had taken over the Jewish Temple on 54th and Ellis (Muhammed's Temple Of Islam #2) though the Star of David remained at least until 1960, and it was not that unusual to see "Red" going in on occasion.
A neighborhood kid even eventually became the head of the Chicago PD gang unit. Ironic in a way.

291 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:41pm

re: #228 Iron Fist

Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?

Well . . .

I think I would advise against that ever so cautiously.

292 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm

You know there is so much out there in Chicago ...but they have scrubbed as much as they could ...why was this audio scrubbed on wbez when there are so many that are still there on the same page of the archives ...

293 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm

i sent to wftvnews (the woman that asked Biden questions)

294 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #241 doriangrey

Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.

Nah. This is just another day in the WOT. Some things just can't wait for an election.

295 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #232 arethusa

Ah, in that case disregard everything I said.

Obama/Biden'08!

/sarcasm

The goal driving me forward (no impending puns intended) is to own a 1935 Duesenberg SJ at some point in my life. I'm pretty sure whatever income owning and maintaining a magnificent four-wheeled supercharged stallion such as that demands would put me in the class that would suffer the most wealth redistribution.

296 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:08pm

re: #27 jetprop

it's from his nose restructuring. I can't stand listening to his ideology!

297 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:09pm

re: #252 Charles

I just notified "The Anchoress".

Good Night All.

298 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:13pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.

299 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:16pm

God help us, here it comes!

300 Paul  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:25pm

Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.

301 Pepper  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #126 TheMatrix31

Providing security from immediate threat or investigating direct action is an obvious role.

The elected officials background is used for certain committee positions. There is nothing security, or FBI can do to stop subversion of the officials office or the abuse of the access to information. We can only trust that this will not happen. Unless an overt act occurs usually it is a difficult issue to mete out justice. After all, the Federal agencies fall under the Executive, and The Separation of Powers argument applies.

We have had members of Congress commit acts which can be construed as treasonous. Sedition and treason are well within the scope of law but rarely prosecuted, similar to perjury in many court cases. The Congress is supposed to be self-policing in this area.

Many times unauthorized discussions have occurred between elected officials and foreign entities. Sometimes military operations been revealed jeopardizing soldiers directly, intelligence operations are exposed by officials either misspeaking, leaking, or in some cases overtly. What is interesting is an Federal employee either civilian or military would be prosecuted.

We do have subversive members in our government in both elected and civilian roles. Elected officials for some reason garner extreme latitude. Sometimes it is well intended foolishness in other cases, it is not.

302 DM Glampers  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:38pm

I actually have high hopes for this to make a difference.
Only the fully indoctrinated could hear The One speak this way and not realize that this is not the change they expected

/Fingers crossed

303 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:50pm

re: #229 Dasher

I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.

304 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:00pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

Buzzed and Drudged.

305 Palandine  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:05pm

re: #244 gmsc

Favorited. Thanks!

306 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:30pm

re: #262 swamprat

If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. ...Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!


This just in: ...Wife says he's not even a George Bush!

307 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:31pm

Digg it, Folks.

308 DM Glampers  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:51pm

For luck, not 'cause I'm channeling a dem.re: #302 DM Glampers

309 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:11pm

re: #285 Mich-again

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.

310 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:12pm

re: #282 itellu3times

Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?

Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.

Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?

311 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:13pm
312 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:14pm
313 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:30pm

re: #250 DisturbedEma

Israel does. . . psss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?

Wake the hell UP!

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.

314 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:44pm

k a few linked on ace

315 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #303 thebigolddog

I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.

Yes, as if the only people who needed economic redistribution were black folks. You know, there really is no such thing as a poor white person.

/(just to be completely obvious)

316 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:21pm

re: #295 FortunateSon

Was just sayin', you'll get there sooner than you thought, probably.

317 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:24pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

318 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:44pm

re: #300 Paul

Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.

Even better - if you can get enough people like Oprah and Spike Lee, who are rich as hell and influential will a ton of other rich people, you can put together enough money to buy the press. And then you can brainwash people that otherwise had the self-respect to believe the didn't need other people's money given to them.

But then November 4th comes, we look in the dictionary, and his definition turns out to be false.

319 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:45pm
320 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:51pm

re: #185 Quad Mocha Matti

Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.

TONGUE PLANTED BETWEEN WHICH PAIR OF CHEEKS? we know were the MSM tounge is.

321 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:55pm

re: #310 arethusa

Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.

Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?

We can hold a car wash and cookie sale every weekend.

322 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:11pm

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

323 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:31pm
324 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #274 Van Helsing

He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".

Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.

I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.

325 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:01pm

re: #285 Mich-again

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

Even as "difficult" and as "long" as the word "inalienable" is, it's an important part of our founding.

326 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:20pm

re: #317 gmsc

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

327 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm

re: #313 dentate

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.

I think most American Jews see some connection with Israel, but remember, plenty of Jews in Israel support Peace Now and other suicidal idiocies.

328 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm

re: #298 MrPaulRevere

And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.

The constitution is whatever the SCOTUS says it is...
The real battleground for the future is there...whomever sits there judges our fate.

329 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:25pm
330 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)

331 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:35pm
332 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:45pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?

See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.

It's all so stupid.

333 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:46pm

re: #316 arethusa

Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.

334 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:54pm

re: #249 Fearless Fred

My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.

Fred

That was my thought. All of us lizardoids are shocked and horrified, but there are a lot out there who hear this and say, "Hey, I want me some of that!"

335 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:56pm

re: #313 dentate

Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen.


So, nu, what was the consensus?

336 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:08pm

I posted this a few threads ago...

1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered



Obama admits his Redistribution of Wealth is to SAVE the African American community SO HE CAN ENSURE HIS OWN SALVATION! (and Our Countries Salvation) He compares the plight of African Americas to the ethic genocide's of Bosnia and Africa. He blames all of African American's problems on "ONE GROUP" who suppresses them. And He says WHITE people don't want their taxes to help black children.
337 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:21pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

LOL I had a feeling ...

338 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:28pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

Proposes to stop the sea from rising - check.

339 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm

re: #229 Dasher

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.

340 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm

#326 Sharmuta

You are the best!

341 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:41pm

re: #330 Tigger2005

Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)

I'm participating in a political event not in KC next weekend.

342 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:47pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.

Non-existant is the word I'd use.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:18pm

re: #333 FortunateSon

Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.

You a "Dapper Dan" man?

Loved that movie!

344 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

If you are mixed you take money from the right side pocket of your jeans and put it in the left side pocket.

345 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #341 Sharmuta
giggling.

346 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:41pm

re: #290 gymnast

You're welcome; had to step away for a moment. I hope everyone reads the Kurtz article and passes the information along as a supplement to the tape; it provides a broader look that's a bit harder to refute.

347 FightingBack  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:42pm

I don't think this will help. There are enough folks who are hoping to be the slackers who get the stolen wealth.

348 Defogger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:45pm

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey

Do not forget, folks, that there are a lot of people sucking at the government teat already, to whom Obama's words will sound like hog heaven.

And they vote too. Sometimes, thanks to ACORN, several times.

Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!

349 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:59pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Has his own salute - Check

Well, it's not his own salute.

350 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:08pm

re: #218 Promethea

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

Of course you're right. They could give a rat's ass about Barack, it's all about their own selfish goals.

351 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:10pm

re: #332 vxbush

See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.

It's all so stupid.

What about the Africans who sold other tribe members, do they kick in some $ ?

352 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:23pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

Very good.
*thumbs up*

353 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:30pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

No, the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

Goodnight.

354 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:46pm

ok so we have it sent to O'reilly, hannity, wjtvnews, Levin. Clintonforum,
Kurtz?

355 herewegoagain  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:51pm

re: #173 Idle Drifter

Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."

I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"

Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?

356 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:18pm

To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.

357 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:41pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've never used the ShareThis button before, Charles. I just sent it to our local conservative morning talk show host on KKTX.

Thanks for bring this up.

358 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

I didn't think you would be the kind to sport a Kaffiyeh.

359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:17pm
360 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:20pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

I done dugg.

361 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:26pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I do like the smell of my hair treatment. The pleasing odor is half the point.

362 PaxAmericana  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:54pm

This was from 2001.

Barry has been campaigning for over a year.

Why is this stuff coming out now, a few weeks before the election? The Republicans really dropped the ball on this.

363 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:55pm

re: #355 herewegoagain

Rashid Khalidi is one 'friend of Obama' who is definitely interested in taking down the "American Empire."

364 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:16pm

re: #335 Moe Katz

So, nu, what was the consensus?

Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.

365 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:24pm

re: #324 mama winger

Couldn't say it better. Our best to little winger.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:25pm

re: #336 Yankee Division Son

I posted this a few threads ago...

1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered

My god, I am scared. The thought of him as our next president scares me like nothing I have felt before. I won't let the fear paralyze me though, I'm going to see to it that both of these clips are played tomorrow at work. If this does not sway people from voting for Obama, nothing will.

367 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:53pm

re: #324 mama winger

Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.

I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.

I took that oath in 1960. I no longer wear the uniform, but the oath is still part of me, and will be until the day I die.

368 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:14pm

re: #364 dentate

Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.

Thanks. I worry about that too.

369 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:19pm

re: #317 gmsc

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)

///ducks

370 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:24pm
371 Scion9  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:34pm

re: #116 Mich-again


I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

Here is what Obama was referring to, in regards to the philosophical core of the Constitution. His appraisal of it being a 'charter of negative liberties' is apt.

372 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:43pm

It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:59pm
374 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:03pm

Sharmuta, you seem to have some insight into the"puma" force, how big do you think they will be in this election? I have gone to some you have recommended and they seem pretty determined to see Obama defeated. How many do you think there really are?

375 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:05pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,

Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!

376 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:25pm

i'm 1/8 cherokee.
i want my my money
/

i wonder if the grifter has any idea how many americans this is going to potentially affect?"
he is out of his mind.

377 Indypendent  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:46pm

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

378 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:02pm

Good night, all.

379 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:14pm

It does not surprise me that some people want this redistribution of wealth ...a few years ago my husband and I were driving around in Chattanooga looking at property and we were in a car we don't drive on the farm ...we drove through a neighborhood where we were thinking of buying some rental property and we actually had two houses of people throw trash at us and yell ...Give us some money ...No joking ...we never went back there again ...

380 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:20pm

My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!

381 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:23pm

re: #373 taxfreekiller

Push, Push, Push.

last lap gut it out

Pain is temporary. Defeat lasts an eternity.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:28pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

Why do I keep thinking of leopards and spots.

383 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

Welcome Indy

384 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm

OK- I also sent this to the Hillary Clinton Forum. Hopefully on of the admins will share this video.

385 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:51pm

re: #313 dentate

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers.

Which is most of your shul.

386 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:52pm

re: #339 doppelganglander

I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.

As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"

387 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:08pm

Obama- the little Red schoolhouse... all growed up.

388 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:34pm

Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.

389 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #385 Globular Cluster

Which is most of your shul.

Exactly. Including the rabbi.

390 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:41pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

391 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:42pm

re: #380 nigella

My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!

see my #376,
lol,
gmta

392 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:49pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

As someone posted

"What's black and white and red all over?"

393 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:59pm

re: #373 taxfreekiller

Push, Push, Push.

last lap gut it out

Isaiah 40

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

394 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:11pm

re: #369 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)

///ducks

Of course not! Otherwise, the screenname would be "Sharmuto".

395 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:33pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

Unfortunately Sharmuta, its a moonbat hangout now.

396 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:34pm

re: #372 ArmyWife

It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?

Oh. I am so past that point. Carry on the good fight, dear lizards. Sleep beckons.

397 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:36pm

I have seen a picture of Sharmuta.

She is very pretty and appears very dedicated to her cause; a cause which we share.

/.02

398 Muadib  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:49pm

All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.

399 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:01pm

re: #390 Ojoe

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

My thoughts exactly.

400 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:08pm

re: #388 Mich-again

Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.

Hopefully he will get his wish.

401 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:11pm
402 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:19pm

re: #371 Scion9

It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.

403 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:31pm
404 transient  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:34pm

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

405 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:52pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

My GREAT concern as well. He'll have the most liberal hitter in those seats.
The constitution and this country will be so vulnerable to marxist ideation!
Scares me like nothing else before!

406 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #404 transient

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

My Canadian bank checking account.

407 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:06pm

re: #399 Yankee Division Son

It is with great effort that my comments about Mr. Obama remain civil here.

Goodnight again, really I'm too sleepy.

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:28pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

That is not true. Some people have left communism for good. David Horowitz is a good example, as was Whittaker Chambers. I'm afraid that you are error.

409 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:34pm
410 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:36pm

because the oppressed people simply did not realize their true class interests

411 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:37pm

re: #404 transient

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

You have two months to think about that between election day and inauguration day. Right now - focus on winning this election.

412 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:39pm

re: #375 ErislDysnomia

As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,

Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!

Three Jewish doctors of the seven of us in my department, all McCain supporters. We DO exist. But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican. Most people still look at the label on the can, and don't read the ingredients.

413 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:46pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.

I like the Wild Boar fountain myself. As a kid we took my dad's folks to Putsch's on the Plaza every Sunday and I'd toss a penny or two into the fountain.

Then they moved Putsch's to the Blue Ridge Mall and we went there for a while ... then the Mall went into a long decline ... and now the Mall is gone and a Wal-Mart is in its place, with a bunch of other new shops and restaurants and a Lowe's on the way ... and the Blue Ridge Cinema across 40 Highway is boarded up and the parking lot overgrown with weeds ...

All this change makes me feel old!

But the Boar is still there!

414 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:56pm

re: #406 Moe Katz

My Canadian bank checking account.

Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)

415 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:01pm

re: #375 ErislDysnomia

Wow. Just wow.

416 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:04pm

Sent it to the morning and afternoon drive time talk show hosts on a Boston station.

417 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:30pm

re: #390 Ojoe

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

My ancestors (dad's side) were part of the Underground Railroad, fought for the GAR, and never owned a slave. My mom's side didn't arrive until 1880.
I just might chose jail over paying reparations.

418 Muadib  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:31pm

re: #403 Iron Fist

All I am saying is "give war a chance"...

There's a time for peace, and a time for war.

419 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:44pm
420 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:51pm

JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.

421 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:04pm

If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)

422 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:12pm

re: #414 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)

Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria...

423 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:14pm

re: #386 dentate

As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"

Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.

424 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:26pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I sent this video w/ a transcript, big thanks to Soona' , to every family member both blue and red on my private e-mail. I'm waiting for the backlash I can here those screaming sirens coming from above.

425 theblakester  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:41pm

Caught Red handed, with hand in the cookie jar!

426 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:58pm

re: #412 dentate

But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican.

Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?

427 Nancy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:06pm

I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer and a legislator and he actually believes that the civil rights movement wasn't radical enough because it didn't result in changes to the constitution?

That the founding fathers were in error when they only covered what a government should NOT do and didn't include what the government MUST do?

How on earth, with any moral integrity did he take the oath of office and swear to uphold the constitution while believing that it is needs to be changed.

I believe that reason ALONE disqualifies him from holding any USA office. The oath is clearly to UPHOLD the constitution. Not seek to rewrite it or change it.

428 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:10pm

re: #422 Moe Katz

Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria...

We'll be rich, I tell you, rich!

429 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:27pm

re: #413 Tigger2005

Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.

430 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:53pm

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

431 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm

re: #398 Muadib

All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.

/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."

432 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm
433 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:15pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama, CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)

He added that after the "presidential seal" fiasco.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:20pm

re: #379 JacksonTn

There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?

435 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:22pm

Good night, Lizards...see you in the morning.

436 Dasher  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)

I don't think he cares if they were descendants from slaves or not, as long as they are "black".

437 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #430 nigella

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

Barf!

438 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

This thread has inspired me to change my avatar to a photoshop image that I did a few weeks back.

439 mattm  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:26pm

re: #14 willowone

elrushbo@eibnet.com

440 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:33pm
441 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:34pm

re: #428 ErnieG

We'll be rich, I tell you, rich!

LOL

442 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:09pm
443 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:18pm

This takes me back to my pet peeve, stated perfectly by Paul Zane Pilzer in an interview with Anthony Robbins:

PZP: We’re where President Truman once was when an economist was testifying before the President, and he said, “so this is going to happen,” and President Truman said, “so then interest rates will be 6% next year?” The economist said, “No. On the other hand . . .” and President Truman interrupted him and said, “What this country needs is a good one-handed economist.” But on a serious note, economics, and economists, don’t explain to average people, or the President of the United States, what’s going on.

[..snip...]

PZP: That’s an exciting area that an economist like me doesn’t often get asked about, and I’m looking forward to entering into that in discussion. First, I believe that economics today, most economics, is where medicine was 100 years ago. 100 years ago, doctors knew what worked. “You have this symptom, take this pill.” They didn’t know about bacteria, infection, viruses, inoculation. They didn’t have theories behind what they did. And by the time a doctor learned how to take care of his patients from all his experiences - some died and some lived - he died. And he couldn’t transfer what he learned to other people.

AR: Right.

PZP: Today, you walk into any doctor, you don’t ask where he went to school, he puts a needle into your arm, you say thank you, and you feel better. We have ubiquitous, universal medical care from doctors everywhere. Why? Because we have working theories of medicine that explain to the doctor, and to you, what’s going on. Economics today, and you hear so many people say, “I don’t understand economics, I didn’t understand it in school.” My view is, it’s because your professor didn’t understand it. It’s because economic theories don’t explain what we see in our lives. That’s why we all have so many people we know, “Boy is he a jerk, and he’s making so much money,” or “My son has worked so hard at this business, and this business, and this business, and he can’t make it.” The reason we don’t see a correlation around us, between those of us who, quote, “make it” economically and those who don’t, is because we don’t have a working economic theory. We’re where medicine was 100 years ago.

444 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:26pm

re: #427 Nancy

I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer

From Harvard.

Need any more explanation?

445 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:34pm

re: #355 herewegoagain

the first thing I thought of when listening to this is that Obama's "Ayers" were showing.

446 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:38pm

I talked this thread up in the comments at Ace's site...they seem to be asleep at the switch over there...sigh..

447 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:41pm

re: #439 mattm
ty, sending now

448 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:50pm

re: #430 nigella

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

You mean the alphabet networks, right? CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/etal/

449 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:13pm

Palin: Obama's Tax Plans Could Mean Nightmare Communist State

Sarah Palin had a few memorable moments during her campaign stop in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday. But the most eye-opening of them all came, it would appear, when the Alaska Governor somehow drew a connection between Barack Obama's tax policy and an encroaching, nightmarish, communist government. The Illinois Democrat, she hysterically suggested, would, through his proposals, create a country "where the people are not free."

Huff Post

450 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:24pm

The last guy who promised things like this while denying his ties to the Communists, and becameleader of his nation causes exiles from his nation to compose songs like this and wait for his demise.

451 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:34pm

re: #429 Sharmuta

Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.

Hopefully a celebratory drink, not a commiserating drink ...

452 JSK1121  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:46pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

As long as Israel is being discussed...

American Jews are no longer as solidly behind Israel as they were even 10 years ago. Many, being liberals first and Jews a distant second, are uncomfortable with the whole occupation/"Palestinian" problem, and are invested in "peace process" blather far more than in Israel's survival, security, and growth. Apologetic in their own lives as Jews, they are even more apologetic at the notion of defending the strength of a "Jewish state."

To the extent they are concerned about the safety of Israel, they trust to the "historic relationship" between the US and Israel to keep Israel safe without their having to put themselves to the fore. They blind themselves to the fact that for 40 years, since the Six-Day War, there has been less and less favorable, and more and more unfavorable, about Israel in the public press. A large majority of voters have grown up hearing nothing whatever in Israel's favor, unless they belong to certain Jewish or Evangelical Christian communities. The view of Israel as a "plucky little democracy" is long dead, replaced by the view of Israel as an evil, occupying, "human rights"-denying power oppressing "indigenous people." This, by the way, is the attitude that has been drummed into the black community since before 1967, by the black-separatists, Marxists, and Islamists who wrested the civil rights movement from Martin Luther King after the passage of the Voting Rights Act.

American Jews in middle age are for the most part uncomfortable with the Israel of today; they will be favorable towards Israel to the extent that they can still see it as the pioneer nation that they purchased trees for in Hebrew School decades ago (as long as the pioneers do not wear yarmulkes), but to the extent they have to look at Israel in its modern reality, they tend to shy away.

Sadly, many Israelis (I'm looking at you, Tel Aviv) are the same way.

453 ClosetConservative  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:50pm

The only thing the government of the United States must do for me is leave me and my money damn well alone.

Slick Barry can find his wealth elsewhere. He can't have mine.

454 non-lib Nina  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:52pm

re: #430 nigella

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

Commie News Network?

455 Fierce Guppy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:58pm

What a S*cialist. The guy cares not a jot about where honest money comes from, how it is made, nor considers the moral implications and consequences of expropriating the rewards people receive for their time and effort and giving it to others whose sole warrant for receiving it is their need. Money isn't personal to him. All money is to Obama is a nation's resource for treasury to manipulate and redirect. I hope this video stings him good. The low-life.

456 Muadib  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:14pm

re: #431 jetprop

/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."

I'm not waiting for anyone. I've been here the whole time.

457 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:18pm

FurryOld GuyJeans, of course, but he has purchased his own cale channel. Twenty four hours of Obama telling you why he is the "one."

458 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:34pm

re: #388 Mich-again

Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.

I disagree.

I think he wants the job and like Woodrow Wilson before him, will only be frustrated by the limitations that our constitution will constrain him with. Give him and his enough time, and he and they will do away with those limitations.

459 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:52pm

re: #423 doppelganglander

Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.

I agree with that statement 110%. I think that it is one thing to have beliefs with which I disagree, however strongly. It is another to so plainly and obviously adopt whatever identity and belief system will gain personal advantage. Who knows what this man really believes?

His willingness to deny his past associations is as bad as the associations themselves. Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Have you stopped associating with terrorists and subversives yet?

460 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:54pm

PIMF: cable channel

461 Scion9  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:59pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'...Once a Communist, always a Communist!

Nah, not true. I know a few ex-commies, and ex-pinkos.

462 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:03pm

Anyone sending this to radio and TV stations in swing states?
Would that be worth a try?

463 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:15pm

Obama's tax plan offers the middle class a larger slice of a smaller pie. Enjoy.

464 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:22pm

re: #435 jorline

Good night, Lizards...see you in the morning.

Sleep well.

465 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:28pm

re: #420 nigella

JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.

It was a shock for my husband and me because we started from nothing ...and my husband is one of the kindest most generous people I know ...I am sure if we had been "Gangsta" they would not have thrown trash at us ...The people who did this even had kids watching them do it ...How do you become the type of person who throws trash at someone? When people down on their luck come to my husband he always tries to help them help themselves ...with work or a hand up ...But, we are getting kinda tired of this crap of people just wanting the government take care of them ...

466 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:33pm

re: #426 ErislDysnomia

Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?

Wasn't that Moses? Oh, you mean the other guy...

467 WestTexas  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:47pm

Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.


West Texas

468 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:56pm

re: #457 nigella

FurryOld GuyJeans, of course, but he has purchased his own cale channel. Twenty four hours of Obama telling you why he is the "one."

You mean the alphabet networks, right? CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/etal/ ;)

They sure sold their "birthright" for rotten mess of pottage.

469 SummerSong  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:21pm

Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:32pm

re: #467 WestTexas

Great Minds Think Alike!

471 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:41pm

re: #355 herewegoagain

Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."

I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"

Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

472 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:48pm

re: #467 WestTexas

Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.


West Texas

Great Minds Think alike

473 tkd_purple  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:50pm

Just opened my Arizona absentee ballot. One of the "electors" for Barak Obama is Raul H. Castro. Kid you not.

474 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:53pm

re: #469 SummerSong

Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!

I bring my own pepper...

475 SummerSong  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:08pm

re: #467 WestTexas

Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.


West Texas

GMTA = Great minds think alike.

476 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:14pm

re: #449 sngnsgt

Freedom to the Huffington Post crowd means getting coked up all weekend and calling in sick Monday without consequence.

477 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:39pm

re: #469 SummerSong

Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!

Probably all that nitrogen leaking from the underground lizard bunker.

478 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:58pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?

No. I am not sure about that ...we were just looking at property our agent sent us to see ...don't remember the name of the area ...

479 SummerSong  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #474 experiencedtraveller

I bring my own pepper...

Ya know, I was thinking I should, too!

480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:12pm

re: #467 WestTexas

Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.


West Texas

Sometimes, all you have to do is google or yahoo or search engine of your choice any acronym and you'll find the definition.

481 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:43pm
482 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:58pm

re: #469 SummerSong

Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!

I fly Frontier through Denver all the time..They only sell you Coors beer there,,But great food!

483 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:15pm

re: #449 sngnsgt

Palin: Obama's Tax Plans Could Mean Nightmare Communist State


Huff Post

She didn't actually say "nightmare communist state" I'm sure ... they just put those words in her mouth, right? But the morons just don't get it. They don't see how freedom is being incrementally stolen from us. Socialism is like a boa constrictor ... slowly tightening, suffocating.

484 Fierce Guppy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:17pm

re: #430 nigella

There is also a channel via TVU called "Obama America" It's off air at the moment, though.

485 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:19pm

re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sometimes, all you have to do is google or yahoo or search engine of your choice any acronym and you'll find the definition.

Yes, there are dictionaries of internet lingo that come up near the top of the search.

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:23pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

No. I am not sure about that ...we were just looking at property our agent sent us to see ...don't remember the name of the area ...

Oh, I just found it. "Bushtown".

A name that just screams success.

487 Nancy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:13pm

re: #432 taxfreekiller

I am realizing that. I knew he was an Alinsky radical all along but so is Hillary a disciple of Alinsky and it is frightening to say, Obama is to the left of Hillary!

488 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:14pm

And thanks for the kind words, experiencedtraveller.

489 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:15pm

Emailed it, blogged it.

490 WestTexas  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:17pm

re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #472 HoosierHoops

Thank you both. It's funny how things can seem so clear with hindsight, or some very friendly and knowledgeable lizards around.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:51pm

re: #490 WestTexas

re: #472 HoosierHoops

Thank you both. It's funny how things can seem so clear with hindsight, or some very friendly and knowledgeable lizards around.

Especially me. Hoosier is an idiot.

/

492 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:34pm

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Especially me. Hoosier is an idiot.

/

LOL

493 CrackrJak  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:36pm

Just more confirmation of Obama's socialism, Too bad this won't get any traction. No matter how many lies he tells, people he throws under the bus, or promises he changes, They will vote for him blindly because he is black and has continuously bashed GW.

I'm hoping that peoples common sense will return to them on election day, and not just vote with all the hype. Otherwise, They will regret it.

494 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:44pm

re: #458 Syrah

I think he wants the job and like Woodrow Wilson before him,


Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.

495 SummerSong  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:47pm

re: #482 HoosierHoops

I fly Frontier through Denver all the time..They only sell you Coors beer there,,But great food!

Well, at least they are quite civilized. They have a smoking lounge!
I flew United and didn't have to walk to the ends of the earth to get to the lounge.

496 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:50pm

This audio puts to lie the comment by Joe Biden in the Barbara West interview, in which he claimed they weren't about wealth redistribution. Watch that video again and contrast.

497 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #412 dentate

Reverse for my situation. I have a mother who is a registered Dem.
I am the one who repetitiously reminded her of "Don't forget where you came from".
It paid off this election. She and her new husband (they're in their 80's)
pulled the early lever for McCain. I used the ole' reverse guilt this time on her!

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:29:50pm

re: #492 HoosierHoops

LOL

heh.

499 favorednation  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:30:29pm

re: #14 willowone

elrushbo@eib.net I think.

500 WestTexas  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:30:46pm

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lol, well I have been reading for a fairly significant amount of time, and I am constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge that flows through here. There seems to be very few idiotarians around. When they do show up y'all are pretty quick to eviscerate them. It is quite sporting to watch actually.

501 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:31:16pm

re: #487 Nancy

He's to the left of every body on the Senate floor!

502 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:31:32pm

From a comment on Ace:

Here't the original audio right from the station:

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

The audio archive is here:

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

503 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:32:20pm

re: #469 SummerSong

Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!

Next time go to the bar in the basement and get one from the Lizard Lounge. Provided you have the ID and bono fides to get in. Say Hi to the boss while you're there. If you don't understand this message, don't bother.

504 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:32:37pm

re: #495 SummerSong

Well, at least they are quite civilized. They have a smoking lounge!
I flew United and didn't have to walk to the ends of the earth to get to the lounge.

It should be the civil right of any American to buy a nice cuban cigar in any airport and relax...

505 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:22pm

re: #499 favorednation

elrushbo@eib.net I think.

elrushbo@eibnet.com

506 babes  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:44pm

Just emailed Drudge and Chris Plante (WMAL) here in DC.

Where has this interview been hiding?

507 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:46pm

I just read a post on H/A - someone said there are "boots on the ground" in Syria, per FOX News...has anyone else heard that?

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:46pm

re: #500 WestTexas

I am the worst of the eviscerators. I am from the ignore it and it will go away school. Not so much, because I am that smart; I have to be smacked upside the head with a clue bat to recognize a troll.

But when one is treed, it is fun to watch one pretend it is a cow.

509 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:34:33pm

re: #380 nigella

My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!

Does he qualify?

To qualify for Cherokee Tribal Membership you must first qualify for a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood - (CDIB) card —

To qualify for a CDIB card, you must have a Cherokee ancestor on the Dawes Rolls.

So ... let's look at these three items in detail:

Dawes Rolls:
The Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, Cherokee Nation, are commonly known as the Dawes Commission of Final Rolls, or simply, Dawes Rolls. Simply put; the Dawes Rolls were a Census.

The Dawes Rolls were compiled between the years of 1899-1906. To qualify for Dawes enrollment, one of your ancestors had to have met all three of the requirements below:

1. Applied for enrollment between the years 1899 and 1906.
2. Appeared on previous Tribal rolls (1880 or 1896), and
3. Had a permanent residence within the Cherokee Nation (1880-1906).

Only enrolled members of the Cherokee Nation named on these final rolls and/or their blood-related descendants will be furnished CDIB cards and/or Cherokee Tribal Membership.

Indeed, there are many people who are of Cherokee descent, but who do not qualify for Tribal Membership because their ancestors did not enroll with the Dawes Commission (1899-1906).

Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) are traced only through the natural (biological) parents. In cases of adoption, Indian ancestry must be proven through biological parents to an enrolled ancestor.

The CDIB (or "white card", as it is often called) lists a person's "Indian blood quantum." Quantum of Indian Blood is "computed" from the nearest paternal and/or maternal ancestor(s)' of Indian blood listed on the Dawes Rolls.

In other words; if you had one parent on the Dawes Rolls whose "blood quantum" was listed as 4/4ths (100%), you would be deemed to have 1/2 of your Indian parent's blood quantum --i.e., 50%.

To obtain a CDIB, you must formally apply for one and provide acceptable legal documents which connect you to an ancestor who is listed with a roll number and a blood degree from the Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, Cherokee Nation.

That's for Cherokee. Other tribes have other qualifiers.

510 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:35:13pm

Oh, and ArmyWife, if you happen to see this - do you have a throw away email address where I could mail you this .jpg of the screen shot we were discussing? I didn't see a link on your blog - I'm having some reservations about using my friend's account to host it.

511 WestTexas  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:35:20pm

New thread. Yay.

512 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:37:05pm

re: #493 CrackrJak

This is not media connect the dots here! This is HIS mouth saying the words, wealth redistribution by means of legislation. HE discounts the courts.
This is VERY important for every American, in fact for all the world to hear and see this interview! It FORTIFIES his words again spoken with Joe the Plumber!

513 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:38:28pm

re: #494 Mich-again

Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.

He was more radical than many people know.

He is just not studied much. I read some of his speeches back in college and was a bit shocked at how much he disaproved of the constitutional limitations that he was constrained with.

For a modern read on Wilson, see Liberal Fascism.

514 favorednation  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:38:44pm

re: #505 Fat Jolly Penguin

thanks.

515 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:38:55pm

Hey guys, if you yanks (generic expression) are stupid enough to elect this socialist to be your president then you deserve everything that's coming to you. Down under in New Zealand w are just coming out of 9 years of socialist rule I use the term rule advisedly!) and it's non too easy to have shot of the bastards. late last year they changed to rules on electoral financing of elections. The Electoral Finance Bill effectively prohibiting any electioneering one full year before an election. THEN the NZ Labour Party sneaks around the law and starts using tax money to finance its campaign whilst denying all other parties the same freedom. These socialists are all for freedom as long as it only pertains to themselves and their friends.

Since 2004 the public service has increased 40 % with no increase in actual deliverables such as Police , nurses, firemen, soldiers, emergency workers. Just hoards of additional bureaucrats all getting in one's face and trying to micro-manage every facet of life including how much water is allowed to flow from your shower to what lightbulbs you are forced to use!

Needless to say these hoards of public service bureaucrats live off the state and all vote socialist.

Once in it's VERY difficult to not only undo the damage socialist do but even to actually vote them out of office!


Lots of luck Yanks.

You're going to need it!

516 Lightspeed  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:39:01pm

Charles, get this to Michelle Malkin, if you can. I emailed her, but thought you might have a direct line. She will be on Fox & Friends in the morning and could be the first to break this...

517 Roark  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:40:11pm

OMFG!

518 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #507 capitalist piglet

US Special Forces raid on a syrian village 5 miles into Syria which was training and shuffling money and terrorist personnel across the border into Iraq.

519 Scion9  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:41:36pm

re: #402 Mich-again

It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.

I don't agree at all. I think it is pretty clear that the philosophical underpinnings of the Constitution is the concept of natural rights. Even in the debates between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists in regards to the necessity of the Bill of Rights, neither side disputed the nature of the Constitution as being confined in its scope because of the enshrined belief in natural rights.

The political philosophy dividing Postive from Negative wouldn't fully be developed until after the popularization of Marxism, so the Founding Fathers and their European Enlightenment contemporaries didn't write in this terminology, but retrsopectively the belief in, and protection of an individuals natural rights, is itself inherently on the side of the Negative.

What's more, the foundations of the Constitution also limited the scope of participation both in government to elected representatives as well as the electorate itself to those deemed worthy of voting. Positive liberty puts forth the necessity that literally everyone be involved in the political process. There is very little in the Constitution that isn't on the side of the Negative.

520 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:41:45pm

Driving around L.A. today, from the West Side to downtown and back to the Valley - on surface streets - I was amazed at how many times I saw Obama's face. On posters plastered up at construction sites, in shop windows,on shirts and on cars; he's not even President yet and already his face is everywhere, like Big Brother.

One of the posters which I saw around is an image of Abraham Lincoln with Obama's face done up like those red, white and blue HOPE posters. I took a photograph of the entire side of a building plastered with them.

Another one I photographed is Obama as Superman.

Scary stuff. You think they'll tone it down after he's President?...I sure as hell HOPE so.

521 kahall  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:42:02pm

re: #517 Roark

OMFG!

Your screams of horror can not be heard.

522 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:42:08pm

re: #515 Aussie Infidel

You need to send that letter on to the media! You're preaching to the wrong choir here!

523 Bos2112  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:44:41pm

Wait wait wait...lets not get crazy here folks - I mean he was ONLY 40 when he said this- come on - give the savior a break .

524 Dasher  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:46:44pm

re: #303 thebigolddog

I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.

Yes -- It has nothing to do with slavery everything to being an "oppressed black".

525 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:50:52pm

re: #522 notutopia

You need to send that letter on to the media! You're preaching to the wrong choir here!

The MEDIA? They are just propaganda organs of the coming socialist state.

Why would i even bother wasting elections?

In NZ there is NO RIGHT WING MEDIA except for a single monthly magazine Investigate. Everything else chants the party line as do all of the state and free to air TV channels.

This is the sort of shit that is waiting for you guys.

There will be no revolution with blood in the streets. Just a frog being cooked s-l-o-w-l-y in a pot that increases temperature one degree at a time. One day you'll all wake up and remember a time when you used to be free.

Sad but true.

Socialists in power are not stupid. They get their way slowly so as not to startle the sheeple!

526 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:53:52pm

... Actually there is also one talk radio show on morning prime time but mostly all other radio jocks are waaay left of centre.

527 Promethea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:56:04pm

re: #348 Defogger

Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!

In my circle, there are many who think that supporting socialism means that you are "nice." For some reason, the whole Stalin purges thing, Maoist Cultural Revolution, (and Saddam Hussein mass murders) kinda passed over their heads.

Amazing, but true.

528 MobileVideoEngineer  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:57:56pm

Hey everyone, I'm new. The Phillies won. If they win tomorrow, then we don't have to worry about Series watchers tuning in to see "The One." Quite frankly, I have no stake in who wins (it would be kind of cool to see the Rays win it), but I just want the series done in 5 games.

529 Mr. Sandman  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:06:30pm

I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.

530 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:07:57pm

Have a 30-40 year plan and stick to it

Morph your student radicals into leaders of the community and academia

Capture the public service

Capture the education sector

Dumb down education and create easily led sheeple

Make the lower socio-economic groups dependent on the state for their livelihood

Capture and exploit leftist groups within religious institutions

Decouple the young from their families

Divide and rule tactics to isolate folks from traditional religious institutions

Bread and circuses media and in your face materialistic consumerism

Trash traditional sexual mores and make relativistic relativistic morals the norm

Break the basis of the family as the basic building block of society

Capture the media to ensure that alternative views can't be disseminated

No large socialistic changes. Instead depend on incremental changes that appear politically neutral or non threatening

Once in power slowly change the social-ital drivers to entrench the socialist position as the 'natural' party of government

Alter the rules of the state to entrench the socialist status quo

Then UNMASK!

... and get even with the 'enemies of socialism'.


See anything familiar in the list above?

531 Fierce Guppy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:13:29pm

Dear Obama; It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you in the polls... that they get a chance at success, too. I feel that when you spread this audio clip around, it's good for everybody.


LOL. I See Michelle Malkin already has the clip up on her website. That was quick.

532 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:15:44pm

Just in case there are any Jewish electors still unable to make up their minds about voting for O .


Only 18 more weeks of the window of opportunity(remaining time to operational S-300 missile defense in Iran) for Israel to act strategically against Iran before it will be impossible to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. Israel is now in 'do nothing mode' as they have a caretaker government until elections in Feb / Mar '09. There will be no help for Israel from an Obama presidency.

Literally Israel is now 'toast' both figuratively and practically!


Such a shame really.

533 greggriffith  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:19:28pm

Transcribers and commenters... it's rationale, not rational, in Obama's quote.

534 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:21:22pm
535 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:27:27pm

re: #534 ploome hineni

With any luck, soon. Very soon.

536 capitalist piglet  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:27:33pm

ggre: #529 Mr. Sandman

I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.

Has he somehow earned the benefit of the doubt with you? What was it, his long working relationship with a self-described Marxist whose group plotted to overthrow the U.S. government, or what?

Do you want to take a chance?

537 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:28:55pm

re: #534 ploome hineni

It never does mate. The media will see to that!

The public are mentally neutered and as long as they have 'bread and circuses' (malls, movies and materialistic consumerism) they are happy.

All part of the plan that has worked a treat!

... Surreal like that socialist society in the classic movie 'Fahrenheit 521' where 'Firemen' burn banned books... because everything else has been made fire resistant.

538 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:30:50pm
539 Aussie Infidel  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:38pm

re: #538 yochanan

[Link: unitedagainstnucleariran.com...]

Too F**king late mate!

Press your fingers into your ears bend over and kiss your ass goodbye!

540 Montaigne's Cat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:08pm

Would someone please post a transcript of this interview, or a link to a transcript. Thanks.

541 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:29pm
542 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:32pm

re: #540 Montaigne's Cat

Would someone please post a transcript of this interview, or a link to a transcript. Thanks.

done - but here it is again ...

TRANSCRIPT:

MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.

You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.

The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

543 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:53:19pm

re: #494 Mich-again

Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.

Au contraire. Read "LIBERAL FASCISM". Wilson was a demi-despot.

544 krypto  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:01:51pm

Amazing. I lost count of how many comments I've seen by Obama's True Believers praising THE ONE for being a "Professor of Constitutional Law" (actually a mere senior lecturer) who will right the terrible violations of the US Constitutions by the Evil Bush Administration.

Now it turns out that he's showing contempt - explicitly - with what's in the Constitution.

545 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:57pm

re: #529 Mr. Sandman

Here you go, straight from Chicago Public Radio:

Audio (real player reuired)

Here's the CPR audio archive:

546 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:04:30pm

re: #529 Mr. Sandman

I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.

As if the full context is going to somehow change his misunderstanding of the Constitution or his marxist ideology.

547 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:16:07pm

this NOW ON DRUDGE !


good work who ever did this !

548 transient  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:17:43pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

I'd also like to remind folks that US support for Israel in the UN Security Council is extremely important. The Bush administration has been outstanding in this regard. Every time a one-sided Arab-backed complaint has come up, condemning Israel and demanding unilateral action, the US has argued for balanced condemnation of terrorist actions and/or vetoed the bill. In all cases, there has been no practical impact on Israel.

This has not always been the case. Although I don't recall any dramatic UNSC resolutions that have demanded unilateral actions from Israel, the US is about the only nation keeping that from happening. (I'm not talking about the innumerable ridiculous General Assembly condemnations, which do not have the force of law.) I certainly worry that an Obama appointed ambassador to the UN will be willing to let a few things slide, which would result in Israel's being compelled to do things that would reduce her security. Open season.

And I'm not even talking about forced concessions under the "peace process," threats to cut needed defensive systems, etc.

549 William  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:17:49pm

Is McCain a fool?  Why hasn't this Obama footage run as a campaign ad?

Rev Wright is off limits for McCain, and apparently so is The Messiah himself stating he doesn't have enough experience to be president...

550 transient  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:04pm

re: #546 Sharmuta

As if the full context is going to somehow change his misunderstanding of the Constitution or his marxist ideology.

Sharm, Sharm...
Based on that interview, I don't think he misunderstands the Constitution at all. I think he doesn't give a d@mn. He'd like to circumvent it if he could, to see "justice" done.

551 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:32pm

McCain does not realize that it is not the American people that yawned over the Rev Wright and TUCC racism

it was the fucking democrats in the primary only

they still nominated him

but that does not mean WE don't fucking want to hear about it

why o why does McCain not get it

the country is NOT just democrats he is trying to convince to vote for him

552 stevieray  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:56pm

re: #529 Mr. Sandman

I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.

Perhaps you missed this part:

And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Is that not radical enough for you?

553 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:21:06pm
554 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:21:38pm

Well, it's only my first night here, but I have to say:

I am very impressed by the power this community has. Top billing on Drudge, already? And this is just since I registered a few hours ago! Nice work!

On a lighter note, did anyone else snicker at the "McCain Vows to Come From Behind" headline, or is this just my college sense of humor?

555 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:23:32pm

re: #554 FortunateSon

Well, it's only my first night here, but I have to say:

I am very impressed by the power this community has. Top billing on Drudge, already? And this is just since I registered a few hours ago! Nice work!

On a lighter note, did anyone else snicker at the "McCain Vows to Come From Behind" headline, or is this just my college sense of humor?


where did he make that comment
in SF ?

556 stevieray  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:23:39pm

re: #547 Adrenalyn

this NOW ON DRUDGE !


good work who ever did this !

w00t!

Major headline!

Its got the whole top of the page!

557 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:25:20pm

re: #547 Adrenalyn

this NOW ON DRUDGE !


good work who ever did this !

I believe it was Syrah who emailed it to Matt.

558 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:25:37pm

top of the page
20 minutes ago it was a small line item

hooray !

also, Charles
quote, upding, etc.
are sending me back to the home page again randomly

559 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:26:26pm

Sharmuta

well, hugs & kisses to her

or a manly handshake

whichever is appropriate

560 transient  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #553 buzzsawmonkey

True. But the "special relationship" between the US and Israel, which American Jews can no longer be taken for granted. The power is shifting, and it is shifting away from maintenance of this relationship. It may be possible to shift it back, but it will take recognition of the situation and a great deal of work.

Certainly won't be able to take it for granted under an Obama presidency. It is amazing to me how many of my relatives, even the older ones, to whom Israel is important, are pro-bama. I think they take the relationship for granted--and they may be in for a rude surprise (although they'd probably tell themselves, "It's still better than McCain.") I think they take Israel for granted. They are voting on other issues, and are "hoping" he will be as pro-Israel as his panderganda claims.

561 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:35:31pm
562 Lightspeed  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:35:47pm

Awesome! People waking up tomorrow are in for a shock when the check in with Drudge. (Some) major news outlets will have to run with this. This is gonna stick, it's the man himself, in his own words, channeling Marx and Lennin (and Ayers, and Wright, and Klonsky, and Frank Marshall Davis, and Alinsky, and on, and on).

563 Adrenalyn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:38:52pm

this is why they want early voting so damn much
before anyone finds out the truth

thanks American media

you know, if this M effer redistributes wealth
your paychecks too will be given to the poor

564 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:41:34pm

re: #560 transient

Certainly won't be able to take it for granted under an Obama presidency. It is amazing to me how many of my relatives, even the older ones, to whom Israel is important, are pro-bama. I think they take the relationship for granted--and they may be in for a rude surprise (although they'd probably tell themselves, "It's still better than McCain.") I think they take Israel for granted. They are voting on other issues, and are "hoping" he will be as pro-Israel as his panderganda claims.

When, not if, Israel is attacked while Obiden is POTUS, President Obama will deliberate, consult with his advisors, mull over the options, poll the people, discount the polls, deliberate some more...then, after the fact he'll propose a nice shiny new memorial to the former Israel.

565 redvoter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:54:04pm

hell yeah, front and center on Drudge baby. This story might pick up some steam, at the very least it will be talked about around the water coolers.

566 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:58:42pm

re: #548 transient

I'd also like to remind folks that US support for Israel in the UN Security Council is extremely important. The Bush administration has been outstanding in this regard. Every time a one-sided Arab-backed complaint has come up, condemning Israel and demanding unilateral action, the US has argued for balanced condemnation of terrorist actions and/or vetoed the bill. In all cases, there has been no practical impact on Israel.

This has not always been the case. Although I don't recall any dramatic UNSC resolutions that have demanded unilateral actions from Israel, the US is about the only nation keeping that from happening. (I'm not talking about the innumerable ridiculous General Assembly condemnations, which do not have the force of law.) I certainly worry that an Obama appointed ambassador to the UN will be willing to let a few things slide, which would result in Israel's being compelled to do things that would reduce her security. Open season.

And I'm not even talking about forced concessions under the "peace process," threats to cut needed defensive systems, etc.

Absolutely right.

If the UN Security Council has an unobstructed path to put sanctions against Israel in the knowledge that Obama would allow them to go through - this would be an incredibly dangerous situation for Israel.

I started thinking about the UN Security Council myself yesterday (although I admit it hadn't occurred to me until just yesterday that Obama would allow any and all anti-Israel UN votes to go through without a veto.)

Obama's crisis (the one Biden is promising) may indeed be a world war which would be almost impossible to avoid if Israel is truly left to fend for herself while Obama feeds his ego in talks with enemies who threaten Israel more and more.

What I really believe is going on here is that Obama committed fraud to get the nomination away from Hillary and that his followers (including the MSM) are doing everything humanly possible for him to complete a coup d'état.

I think it's very possible that it will lead to a world war if he's able to do this.

Not just because he would leave Israel on her own, but because it would be too tempting for all our various enemies to do what they can while they can.

I hope the release of this audio tape about his intentions will make it from Drudge to the rest of the world in a very big way. These are his own words, after all.

567 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:02:29pm

re: #563 Adrenalyn

this is why they want early voting so damn much
before anyone finds out the truth

It's interesting that California's early voting is showing 210,000 voters with Democrats only having a 1000 voter edge over Republicans.

In California!

It seems to me that Republicans all over the country are truly wide awake.

568 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:03:32pm
569 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:04:40pm

re: #565 redvoter

hell yeah, front and center on Drudge baby. This story might pick up some steam, at the very least it will be talked about around the water coolers.

You'd be surprised how many NPR types don't know who/what Drudge is. They probably heard of him 10 years ago, but his revelations about their beloved Cigar Shover were too traumatic for their psyches.

570 RedVoter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:05:59pm

oh yeah, for the hell of it, I sent the audio to Barbara West. I figured she could have some fun with it after the hatchet job being done on her for that interview.

571 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:06:35pm

The McCain/Palin campaign reads Drudge, though, I'm sure.

If the MSM doesn't pick up on this, McCain and Palin will.

Then it will become news (at least on Fox.)

It has a much better chance of getting out there once Drudge and Fox have it.

572 Lightspeed  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:07:55pm

Maybe Barbara West should ask Joe Biden about this... ;-)

573 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:08:57pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

Leftists love dead Jews. Live ones, not so much.

That's why they constantly weep crocodile tears over the Holocaust--and constantly reference it--while doing everything in their power to lay the groundwork for a repeat.

Quite true.

They also liked it when the world empathized with America about 9/11.

They wanted the U.S. to refrain from fighting back so that Americans could keep feeling the love and not squander it with pesky things like self-defense.

574 RedVoter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:09:55pm

re: #571 Adina in Judea

The McCain/Palin campaign reads Drudge, though, I'm sure.

If the MSM doesn't pick up on this, McCain and Palin will.

Then it will become news (at least on Fox.)

It has a much better chance of getting out there once Drudge and Fox have it.


that is what I am hoping for, as well as some large local media outlets in battleground states like Ohio, PA and Florida.

When it comes to Fox though, it has to go beyond Hannity. Hume, O'Reilly and Greta need to pound it, as do all their midday anchors.

575 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:12:04pm

re: #574 RedVoter

that is what I am hoping for, as well as some large local media outlets in battleground states like Ohio, PA and Florida.

When it comes to Fox though, it has to go beyond Hannity. Hume, O'Reilly and Greta need to pound it, as do all their midday anchors.

Agreed.

The best thing is when Fox "loops" audio and video excerpts like this over and over and over during the day and all evening.

Even if the rest of the cable news outlets don't pick it up, Fox has the highest ratings so it gets out there.

576 RedVoter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:17:19pm

re: #575 Adina in Judea

Agreed.

The best thing is when Fox "loops" audio and video excerpts like this over and over and over during the day and all evening.

Even if the rest of the cable news outlets don't pick it up, Fox has the highest ratings so it gets out there.

If they pick this up immediately, it will be hard for the campaign's surrogates to spin effectively. Some might even be caught off guard if this some how ends up on Fox and Friends. Just half a day of bad spin by the Obama camp will feed this story for the rest of the election

577 Peter_P  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:20:29pm

Video uploaded to zippyshare!

578 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:23:36pm

Considering that Obama and Biden have both been denying that Obama is a socialist or a Marxist, it's huge that he's using the term "redistribution of wealth" (and describing it as a tragedy that it wasn't pursued.)

I really hope this gets all the way out there and fast.

579 Lightspeed  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:26:18pm

re: #576 RedVoter

It will end up on Fox and Friends if Michelle Malkin decides to bring it up. She knows about it and may well do so. I hope she does.

580 RedVoter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:27:56pm

re: #578 Adina in Judea

Considering that Obama and Biden have both been denying that Obama is a socialist or a Marxist, it's huge that he's using the term "redistribution of wealth" (and describing it as a tragedy that it wasn't pursued.)

I really hope this gets all the way out there and fast.

he also seems to be talking about it in the context of reparations for Black Americans. "Economic Justice", "Failure of the Civil Rights Movement" to achieve it, etc. That isn't just redistribution, but selective redistribution.

581 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:33:13pm

re: #580 RedVoter

he also seems to be talking about it in the context of reparations for Black Americans. "Economic Justice", "Failure of the Civil Rights Movement" to achieve it, etc. That isn't just redistribution, but selective redistribution.

Exactly.

It's would amount to a form of reparations for slavery.

582 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:34:40pm

When Obama speaks about "change that cost money" in this interview, he must be referring most particularly to the disastrous Kansas City federal court intervention in education.

The court ordered that Missouri must do whatever it takes, at whatever expense, until such time as black scores in KC rose to equal the state average. My brother was working in a rural KC school at the time. They had about 700 dollars per student per year to work with. It was pitiful. Salaries below $10K for teachers, no supplies, little heat, no textbooks, just starvation rations. Meanwhile, KC schools were spending $25K*, then $40K*, per student per year. Then, the judge ordered them to ramp it up to $100K*, because, well, scores hadn't risen at all, much less risen to equality.

(* All figures loose and approximate. Dollars today are much smaller things than they were then, and I don't have written records of the numbers. But the conclusion you'd draw from the real numbers, and these, would be pretty much the same. They're in the spirit of what happened.)

The state appealed, saying that even if they retasked every remaining education dollar from every corner of the state to KC, there still wouldn't be enough, and that the federal courts hadn't the authority to order Missouri to raise taxes to cover the expense. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed, and to boot, they rescinded the whole crazy quilt of orders this judge had decreed. The disparity in expenditure wasn't righted entirely, but some trickle of money did reach the rest of Missouri's schools, while KC had to make do without Olympic Swimming pools in every room, just in case students wanted to take a dip.

Equality of input does not ensure equality of results. Inequality of results is not necessarily the result of inequality of State inputs. Everyone has a right to equal treatment from the state, but if results are unequal, that's just how it went, and not the job of the State to reverse.

As it is, income taxes mitigate the inequality of results in people's earnings. The rich man pays 30,40,+ percent. The middle class pays much less percentagewise, and radically less in dollar amount. The lower middle class pays nothing or close to nothing.

And Obama considers it a tragedy that the federal government hasn't intervened, KC style, in economics, in what must be a vain attempt to equalize personal financial well-being.

Even if you equalized income, some people are better shoppers than others. Some people take better care of what they have. And while it's a lot of fun for a court to drive the state of Missouri to the edge, and all but order the shut-down of all schools outside KC, if the federal government did the same thing to the economy, tax revenue would collapse, society would collapse, and Democrat authority would collapse in a wave of recall elections. We wouldn't even have to wait two years.

583 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:35:10pm

Also on Drudge now:

Barack Obama on Chicago Public Radio WBEZ-FM, 2001: The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society... and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that... MORE...

584 Adina in Judea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:45:28pm

re: #582 lostlakehiker

And Obama considers it a tragedy that the federal government hasn't intervened, KC style, in economics, in what must be a vain attempt to equalize personal financial well-being.

Even if you equalized income, some people are better shoppers than others. Some people take better care of what they have. And while it's a lot of fun for a court to drive the state of Missouri to the edge, and all but order the shut-down of all schools outside KC, if the federal government did the same thing to the economy, tax revenue would collapse, society would collapse, and Democrat authority would collapse in a wave of recall elections. We wouldn't even have to wait two years.

The vain attempt to equalize financial well-being is something the left has been trying to do for the "Palestinians," too.

Tony Blair (a good guy in Iraq, but a terrible guy when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict) has repeatedly stated along with others that the "Palestinians" must have a "viable" state. The "Palestinians" themselves have said that this state must be exactly as "viable" as Israel.

There's no way to do this. There would have been no way for Israel to have been guaranteed to be a viable state when the UN approved Israel's existence. There would have been no way for any country to guarantee that America would be a viable country after the American Revolution.

It's an artificial prosperity to try to equalize peoples or to try to guarantee a certain level of success for a given people.

This is what Obama intends to do. It will sink America if he's elected and the people he's trying to help will end up like his former constituents in Chicago who still live in the murder capital while buildings fall down around them.

585 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:57:16pm

re: #529 Mr. Sandman

...not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.

See here. The Bill Ayers/Obama Idea Of Education

“Once things were connected,” Ayers’s introduction recollects, “we saw a system at work, we were radicalized, we named that system—imperialism—and forged an idea of how to overthrow it. We were influenced by Marx, but we were formed more closely and precisely by Che, Ho, Malcolm X, Amílcar Cabral, Mandela—the Third World revolutionaries—and we called ourselves small ‘c’ communists...
[snip]

Ayers makes clear that his political views haven’t changed much since those glory days.
[snip]

In 1997, Ayers and his mentor Maxine Greene persuaded Teachers College Press to launch a series of books on social justice teaching, with Ayers as editor and Greene serving on the editorial board (along with Rashid Khalidi, loyal supporter of the Palestinian cause and the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University). Twelve volumes have appeared so far, including one titled Teaching Science for Social Justice.
[snip]

One by one, the education schools are lining up behind social justice teaching and enforcing it on their students—especially since they expect aspiring teachers to possess the approved liberal “dispositions,” or individual character traits, that will qualify them to teach in the public schools. The National Council on the Accreditation of Teacher Education, the main accreditor of education schools, now monitors how well the schools comply with their own social justice requirements…

BHO's role in this? He was executing Ayers' agenda. Obama himself pointed to his position on a philanthropic board --as Chairman of (Ayers') Chicago Annenberg Challenge --as THE executive experience (he argued) that qualifiied him for the presidency.

See also CPUSA And Obama Platforms Are Identical

586 FlakMusic  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:03:37am

CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC...

Apparently they were all too busy rummaging through Sarah Palin's trash to dig this up themselves.

The dereliction of duty, the abdication of responsibility, the complete and utter lack of journalistic objectivity and ethics is mind-boggling.

The MSM is enemy. They are greasing the skids for Obama by allowing the phony, mainstream image projected by his campaign to go unchallenged.

Thank god for that one brave soul in Florida that stuck it to Biden...would that the rest of the media had the balls that woman has.

The fact that this interview is just now showing up on YouTube is more than an indictment of the MSM. It's more damning proof that they're just PR people for the Democrat party.

FBO

587 extrabob  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:10:10am

I'm Karl Marx, and I approve of this message.

588 Fierce Guppy  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 1:42:18am

LOL. Very good, extrabob.

I finally found the original broadcast to find out if there was some creative editing involved. No funny business. The show is 53 minutes long and the author focuses on the bits, two bits actually, that are germane to Obama's view on state welfare distribution and the Supreme Court in relation to the Constitution which begin about 39 and 46 minutes into the broadcast. Unfortunately the interview is in RealMedia streaming format (.ram) so you can't download it whole.

589 committed  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:28:43am

Drudgereport has taken down the quote from the tape that was up earlier. It still has the story as the headliner on the page, however. I also checked foxnews.com. The story is up there also.
• Obama: 'Tragedy' Redistribution of Wealth Not Pursued

590 committed  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:31:44am

Fox news also has a report from the Washington Post that the UN wants an Obama presidency.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Obama supporters hail from Russia, Canada, France, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Indonesia and elsewhere. One American employee here seemed puzzled that he was being asked whether Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was even a consideration. "Obama was and is unstoppable," the official said. "Please, God, let him win," he added.

"It would be hard to find anybody, I think, at the U.N. who would not believe that Obama would be a considerable improvement over any other alternative," said William H. Luers, executive director of the United Nations Association. "It's been a bad eight years, and there is a lot of bad feeling over it."

Conservatives who are skeptical of the United Nations said they are not surprised by the political tilt. "The fact is that most conservatives, most Republicans don't worship at the altar in New York, and I think that aggravates them more than anything else," said John R. Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "What they want is the bending of the knee, and they'll get it from an Obama administration."

591 Throbert McGee  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:51:16am

Holy shit. To be honest, all along I've thought that the "Obama is a Marxist" stuff was just hyperbole, but apparently he believes that the U.S. Constitution really should guarantee a Right To A Free Lunch.

592 Womball  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:52:15am

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

Leftists love dead Jews. Live ones, not so much.

That's why they constantly weep crocodile tears over the Holocaust--and constantly reference it--while doing everything in their power to lay the groundwork for a repeat.

I always thought they referenced it because it was universally considered a bad thing, although they secretly actually do agree with Hitler's fascism.

593 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:53:46am
594 Womball  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:55:29am

I wonder if this is the only October surprize? Perhaps Khalidi will be revealed before long.

595 Throbert McGee  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 4:08:32am

re: #559 Adrenalyn

Sharmuta
well, hugs & kisses to her
or a manly handshake
whichever is appropriate

I would totally give Sharmuta a nice manly BJ, if she had a dick, but since she doesn't, I'll just have to offer the handshake, hugs, and kisses.

(I know I'm being crude, but I am 100% confident that Sharmuta will take it in the right spirit.)

596 MJBrutus  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 4:27:46am

re: #20 gmsc

To a lib like the ONE, Article 1, Section 8 just doesn't exist. They read the "general welfare" clause of the preamble as a blank check to do whatever the hell they want. Never mind that the clause is simply part of a statement of purpose of government at all levels. Article 1, Section 8 enumerates just what Congress may do and every law passed that exceeds that authority is illegal!

597 redvoter  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:36:04am

hmmm, as important as I thinkt he story is, I am starting to think that it may not have the legs it should, simply because Obama is so long winded and dull. Even though he is more frank on this issue in this interview than he has been on anything this election, he is still a complete windbag. The media would have to strip it down to it's core meaning while they talk about, and I seriously doubt they will do that considering how damaging that core meaning could be.

we'll see how it plays out as the day goes on.

598 redvoter  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:44:19am

well, Fox and Friends is trying. They are narrowing his argument down saying he basically considers redistribution of wealth as a civil rights issue. He is saying that of course, but more. He's advocating reparations.

599 RedSoxNation  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:48:32am

November 23, 1984...

Six seconds left on the clock. Time for only one more play. Flutie drops back to his own 45. The Eagles receviers race toward the end zone. Flutie is chased out of the pocket. He stops and unloads the ball as far as he can throw it. It sails threw the night air in a perfect spiral. Caught! TOUCHDOWN...Eagles win...Eagles win...

Anyone remember the name of the reciever who caught the ball. It was Gerald Phelan. That sounds an awful lot like Palin.

McCain has time for one more throw. And this is it...

600 EricOF  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:51:24am

No doubt Christopher Buckley feels more comfortable than ever with his endorsement.

601 Diane  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:54:54am

Obama has never been so clear. - The state over the individual.

CNN should be showered with emails on that one.

Barak Obama is more socialist than Pierre Trudeau. His ideology it is dangerously close to communism.

602 RedVoter  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:02:22am

damn that Fred Thompson married fine. Jeri Thompson, mm mmm.

603 SlothB77  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:23:07am

this vid has been spread. obama is a marxist.

604 iceman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:38:24am

This Halloween I am dressing up as Obama and the wife as Pelosi and we will be taking candy OUT of the bags of the kids that have a lot even if they tell us that

"they worked extra hard for the candy by starting early and not talking so much to the home owners and hustling from house to house"

because it is just NOT FAIR that they have so much candy and others so little.

I also will be asking for their names and addresses and names and addresses of all the people they got candy from so I can report them to the IRS so the government can be sure that my neighbors have not exceeded the gift amount and that all taxes are being paid.

Also I will tell them if any of them should die I would want the estate tax to include this valuable asset and make sure that if it was passed on to heirs that all applicable taxes are fairly assessed.

I will saying this loudly and clearly so all the parents can hear.

Since I live in Massachusetts and most of the adults will be voting for Obama then they should not have a problem with it.

Now that will be some scary stuff!

605 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:47:56am

"That's not the Barack Obama I knew." -- Barack Obama

606 Montaigne's Cat  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:51:36am

How can someone who says the Constitution is deeply flawed

take an oath and swear

"to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." ?

607 RedVoter  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:52:56am

re: #604 iceman

This Halloween I am dressing up as Obama and the wife as Pelosi and we will be taking candy OUT of the bags of the kids that have a lot even if they tell us that


because it is just NOT FAIR that they have so much candy and others so little.

I also will be asking for their names and addresses and names and addresses of all the people they got candy from so I can report them to the IRS so the government can be sure that my neighbors have not exceeded the gift amount and that all taxes are being paid.

Also I will tell them if any of them should die I would want the estate tax to include this valuable asset and make sure that if it was passed on to heirs that all applicable taxes are fairly assessed.

I will saying this loudly and clearly so all the parents can hear.

Since I live in Massachusetts and most of the adults will be voting for Obama then they should not have a problem with it.

Now that will be some scary stuff!


that would make a great political ad for this week! except replace pelosi with biden (name recognition) and use Joe the Plumber as the narrator.

608 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:04:26am
It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

I thought that was one of the main principles of the Constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
609 Montaigne's Cat  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:07:43am

re: #542 Bobibutu

Thanks very much.

610 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:12:16am

re: #595 Throbert McGee

Daaayum!

611 Throbert McGee  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:33:27am

Sharmuta, maybe you've heard of the time that someone asked Tallulah Bankhead whether a certain prominent man in her social circle was a homo. To which Ms. Bankhead shrugged and said, "All I know, dahling, is that he's never sucked my cock."

612 bill-tb  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:43:01am

So that's why the bitter clingers and their guns are such a problem.

613 iceman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:49:45am

re: #611 Throbert McGee


Sharmuta, maybe you've heard of the time that someone asked Tallulah Bankhead whether a certain prominent man in her social circle was a homo. To which Ms. Bankhead shrugged and said, "All I know, dahling, is that he's never sucked my cock."

That is hysterical...

I was talking about ayers and obama to a fellow and mentioned ayers' history of which the fellow was ignorant of his response was similar,


well, has Obama ever blown anyone up?

well...whoa ... that did it...he convinced me.

of what? you figure it out.


I just proofread this on preview before I posted it and it is funnier that I thought

614 Ron Shaw  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:50:37am

Classic Obama!

Uhhh,uhhh,ahh,umm,ahh,uhh redistribution of wealth for African-Americans...um,um,ah,uh,ah,uh the court didn't do enough for us in the area of redistributive uh, ah, um, ah,uhhh practices ahh, ahhh ummm legislation...ah,ah,um,uh,um,ah,um,uh community organizations from the grass roots in the field working toward uh, uh redistributive ahh,uhhh redistribution of wealth.

What a total Marxist loser! This guy's a complete moron and the MSM absolutely without one iota of doubt not only worship him but the very water he thinks he walks on.

Kool-Aid anyone?

615 JimCap  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:52:38am

This morning at work, I send the link about Obama's radio interview to seven different people I know, four of whom are in my office. Sorry to say that no one cares! They actually laughed at me! And half of these are people who voted for Bush four years ago!

This Obama interview means something to we conservatives. But I'm afraid we're not in the majority on this. Most people have made up their minds and they're not listening anymore.

One guy said to me, "Oh, you right-wingers are always crying wolf about something. What are you gonna call Obama next, a Nazi?"

It's depressing. Look at the polls, even in places like Virginia and North Carolina. Not to mention Ohio and Florida. I have to be a realist here. I knew this would happen as soon as we nominated McCain instead of a real conservative.

I think McCain's goose is cooked. No matter what we do.

How can anyone think that McCain has a ghost of a chance anymore? Sad to say, it's over.

616 JimCap  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:55:50am

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Be careful with that "communist" stuff, however, Whenever I've used it against Obama at work, people don't take me seriously.

617 iceman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:10:22am

I am converting the complete 54 minute show from real audio to mp3.
with audio hijack pro ( a great program for stuff you want to rip to your ipod but is not downloadable) and I shall post the download link at noon east coast time.

618 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:11:30am

re: #611 Throbert McGee

Well- I took your comment as a compliment, Dahling.

619 Sharmuta  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:16:32am

re: #616 JimCap

Be careful with that "communist" stuff, however, Whenever I've used it against Obama at work, people don't take me seriously.

They might after they get a load of this tape.

I've called him a stone cold marxist, and I stand behind that comment now more than ever. Thanks for backing me up, barry!

620 iceman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:18:27am
Oct 27, 2008 8:02 am US/Pacific
Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo
WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.

The mannequin is dressed in brunet wig, glasses and a red business suit. Another mannequin dressed as John McCain emerges from a flaming chimney.

Link to article


Halloween...game on...NOT... people show some class. Of course on the other hand...

621 Sunlight  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:43:20am

What's the oath he'd have to take:

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

In the audio he is disqualifying himself by saying the CONSTITUTION IS WRONG. He will try to distroy it, making his oath a complete crock.

622 ContraJihadi  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:44:15am

So, we have just heard a sample from Obama's Mein Kampf. Biden tells us that Obama will face a crisis in the first six months. Could he be predicting an Reichstag Fire followed by the assumption of " temporary emergency powers" by the Der Fuehrer "to rectify" the "defects" in the Constitution?

Mach' keine Sorgen, mein Volk. Alles ist in Ordnung.

623 Sunlight  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:46:34am

re: #603 SlothB77

this vid has been spread. obama is a marxist.

And as far as I can tell, many many people either don't care or, as has started dawning on me, they agree with him.

624 ContraJihadi  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:51:47am

re: #623 Sunlight

And as far as I can tell, many many people either don't care or, as has started dawning on me, they agree with him.

The latter very likely. It is also just dawning on me how pervasively the sentiment of envy is spread throughout the populace.

625 Throbert McGee  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:04:36am

re: #619 Sharmuta

They might after they get a load of this tape.

I've called him a stone cold marxist, and I stand behind that comment now more than ever. Thanks for backing me up, barry!

Something I meant to post last night (until I got distracted by an email from Moscow) on the "Biden Gets Grilled" thread: the station said that they "don't ask softball questions." But in a way, the question about Marxism was a softball -- in that Biden could've chosen to point out that Obama's policies are, strictly speaking, a million miles from real Marxism, insofar as the O isn't talking about the abolition of private property, isn't recommending that all the means of production be owned by the state, isn't calling for the elimination of the bourgeoisie, and so forth.

Instead, he got all huffy about the silliness and impertinence of the hostile questions, and then the Democrat campaign compounded the error by taking the Film Actors Guild approach (if you know what I mean) of attacking the reporter's professionalism and announcing that the station was no longer on Obama's Best Friends Forever list.

626 Throbert McGee  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:09:52am

re: #624 ContraJihadi

The latter very likely. It is also just dawning on me how pervasively the sentiment of envy is spread throughout the populace.

It's not just envy that's the problem -- there's also the fear of envy, from which springs liberal guilt and do-gooderism.

627 iceman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:19:40am
628 rb4269  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:23:59am

The point that needs to be made to voters is this; When Obama talks about spreading the wealth he really means spreading income. Income and wealth are not the same. Income is what you work very hard to get during the course of your work year. Wealth is what the Kennedys have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s wife has. Wealth is what the Obamas and the Boxers and the Corzines and the Feinsteins and the Schumers have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s previous wife had. Wealth is what the Clintons have LOTS of. None of these people are going to have their wealth redistributed to anybody.

They are going to redistribute YOUR income.

629 Sunlight  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:25:51am

re: #628 rb4269

The point that needs to be made to voters is this; When Obama talks about spreading the wealth he really means spreading income. Income and wealth are not the same. Income is what you work very hard to get during the course of your work year. Wealth is what the Kennedys have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s wife has. Wealth is what the Obamas and the Boxers and the Corzines and the Feinsteins and the Schumers have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s previous wife had. Wealth is what the Clintons have LOTS of. None of these people are going to have their wealth redistributed to anybody.

They are going to redistribute YOUR income.

And your 401(k).

630 Lightspeed  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:47:18am

Rush is hammering this now...

631 HBob  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:55:02am

Anyone notice what's missing from the audio?


The stuttering and stammering of a man on a campaign trail who has to hide his true motives and beliefs.

632 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:19:57am

re: #545 thebigolddog

O.K., thanks for the the full radio segment. Just as I suspected, there's nothing radical in what he's saying when his comments are put in context. This is a rather egghead-level discussion, difficult to follow, but the main point is he's not talking about seismic socialistic "redistribution," but rather uses that terminology in a technical sense to mean things like ensuring proper funding for education. Also see

[Link: www.politico.com...]

for clarification.

633 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:25:48am

re: #552 stevieray

re: #552 stevieray

Is that not radical enough for you?

He's simply stating an academic, legalistic opinion. His point in the larger context is that courts are ill-suited to fully promote equality of opportunity, and that the Judicial Branch to be effective in this regard would have to make "radical" rulings to accomplish certain kinds of reform that are naturally (non-radically) better handled by the legislative branch.

634 jaunte  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:34:16am

re: #633 Mr. Sandman

"...fully promote equality of opportunity.."

Test case: How well has this 'promoting' worked in Chicago? What are the positive results? Why should it be scaled up to a national level without proven positive results?

635 sanguinedragon  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:08:01pm

Im making a first post and although politics has never been high interest priority for me before, this election has me neck deep!
While researching one thing, I found this article from Wallstreet Journal and it shows what Ive been screaming about for sometime. Thought Id share. [Link: online.wsj.com...]
Is the public blind?

636 RedVoter  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:24:36pm

re: #634 jaunte

"...fully promote equality of opportunity.."

Test case: How well has this 'promoting' worked in Chicago? What are the positive results? Why should it be scaled up to a national level without proven positive results?

It boggles my mind why the McCain campaign has not made this basic argument since the beginng. All this talk of hope and change and a new politics, yet he was a failure on bringing this dream as a community organizer, activist, state senator, United States Senator. He couldn't make a difference in the community he started off in and in fact things got worse as he climbed the political ladder. It's not because he couldn't do it, it's because he is a fraud. He never stood up to corrupt Chicago political patronage and machine politics. He endorsed and helped these people actually. McCain never hit home on that and never showed any ads of the economically depressed and crime filled community Obama was responsible for. He failed at reforming schools when he worked for Ayers (his only executive experience), the schools are worse than ever yet he sends his own children to prestigious private schools while he opposes Real Educational reform like School Vouchers. The man is a compelte fraud.

and Mr. Sandman, listen closely to what Obama is saying, unless you're puposely covering your ears you will hear a man who has disdain for the Constitution as the way it is written because it does not allow for the Federal activism which he desperately wants. He is not saying the courts are "ill-suited" he is saying that they resist his government philosophy. Legislative measures have to be taken in spite of the courts, however, don't think for a second that Obama, with a liberal supermajority in congress, won't appoint judges who agree with his revisionist view of the constitution. and don't be surprised if he tries to use this liberal majority to stack the courts, just like FDR tried, with judges complicit in his reframing of the constitution and the role of Federal government.

He is a long winded gas bag, but this is exactly what he wants to do. wake up.

update: Obama has just cut off interviews with ALL the reporters who work at Barbara West's TV station. They didn't just cut her off, they have just cut off the entire TV network. Besides the reframed constitution, get ready for Obama's version of Pravda too!

637 Optimizer  Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:58:27pm

The story is obviously a hoax, 'caus it's not on CNN.com (where we instead learn that The One has spoken to the proletariat).

/sarc

But (shocka!) it's the headline on FOXNews.com)


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