Obama on the 'Redistribution of Wealth'
Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT
In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.
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Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT
In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:08pm |
Unfit for any office. How is it possible that this person may very well end up President?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:22pm |
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:30pm |
So, I'm guessing Charles has seen the video posted in the last thread?
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:52pm |
Truly unbelievable. But do they care or are they ok with this?
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s.r. Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:24pm |
And in a fair world, this would be front page news WORLD OVER tomorrow... Weather you agree with it or not, it's earth-sneakingly opposite of what the American People want.
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:27pm |
Obama on the 'Redistribution of Other People's Wealth'
There ya go. All fixed.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:35pm |
re: #2 arethusa
No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:02pm |
Holy Hell! And they want to give Sarah Palin a hard time about not understanding the Constitution?!
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:20pm |
The Constitution doesnt say what the Government must do on your behalf? The only thing I want the Government to do is leave me the fuck alone.
FUCK YOU BARRY!
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:28pm |
i sent it to Levin. i dont know how to send to Hillaryclinton forum.
Does Rush have an email?
and should soemthing like this be sent via Drudge?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:37pm |
re: #4 Edouard
RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!
There is just enough time to do it, too. And nobody could plausibly declare this out of bounds.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:50pm |
re: #9 willowone
Me either, but I must say the Dems I am close too (ugh) ARE ok with socialism. Makes my head explode.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:52pm |
If you are making over forty grand a year and you vote for Obama you are insane. If you make less than that and vote for him you are delusional.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:13pm |
Someone needs to archive this video before it gets pulled.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:32pm |
"It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf."
Actually, it covers everything that the government must do on your behalf: Protect your rights by punishing those who initiate force against you. Any more or less, and you're trying to destroy the ideals of the U.S.!
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MAV Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:53pm |
Pray my friends that good will prevail against the evil forces in this world.
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:56pm |
Imagine how people are going to react to hearing this given the way they reacted to what he said to Joe the Plumber. I can't imagine this gut being elected.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:00pm |
re: #16 ArmyWife
I would think they are the ages of my children than!
kids "Mom can ya buy me, What! mow the lawn? "
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noshariaincanada Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:09pm |
I'm sure Hannity will have this up tomorrow.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:34pm |
Bill of NO Rights (An oldie but a goodie)
We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bedwetters.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: That a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of Non Rights.
ARTICLE I -- You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any form of wealth.
More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
ARTICLE II -- You do not have the right to never be offended.
This country is based on freedom, and that means the freedom for everyone, not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be.
ARTICLE III -- You do not have the right to be free from harm.
If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful. Do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
ARTICLE IV -- You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generations of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
ARTICLE V -- You do not have the right to free health care.
That would be nice but, from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in government run health care.
ARTICLE VI -- You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.
ARTICLE VII -- You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen TV or a life of leisure.
ARTICLE VIII -- You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience.
We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight, if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.
ARTICLE IX -- You don't have the right to a job.
All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
ARTICLE X -- You do not have the right to happiness.
Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
If you agree that a understanding of no rights is necessary to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty," I strongly urge you to refer this to as many people as you can, or link it from your own webpages. No, you don't HAVE to .... Nothing tragic will befall you should you NOT refer it. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to re-emerge in our society and flourish again. Thank you!
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:51pm |
0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:05pm |
Money get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're ok
Money,it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hans and make a stash
new car,caviar,four star daydream
think i'll buy me a football team
money get away
i'm alright Jack keep your hands off my stack
money it's a hit
don't give me that do goody good bullshit
i'm in the hi-fidelity first class travelling set
and i think i need a Lear jet
money,it's a crime
share it fairly,but don't take a slice of my pie
money,so they say
is the root of all evil today
but if you ask for a rise it's no a surprise that they're giving none away
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:03pm |
Reposted from the previous thread:
At the end of the movie, Three Days of the Condor, Robert Redford tells Cliff Robertson that he (Redford) gave to the NY Times the story of how a renegade CIA officer conconcted a plot that led to the murder of seven or eight people. Robertson replied "How do you know they'll publish it?" Not unlike the media's love affair with Obama.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:25pm |
But we can't tell that 0bama said this because this is audio- we don't actually see this coming out of his mouth.
/JustMyView mode off
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rightside Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:12pm |
re: #2 arethusa
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:13pm |
This is what a leftist intellectual sounds like when they preach to the choir. Frightening
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:20pm |
I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:33pm |
If you spread that bullshit around you could cover an acre.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:48pm |
re: #23 willowone
Sadly, they are the ages of my parents in law.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:58pm |
i wish i knew how to snapshot things, save Videos. all these things that i should know.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:01pm |
re: #2 arethusa
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
$400k.
Plus expenses.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:44pm |
re: #34 ArmyWife
nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:56pm |
re: #32 rightside
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
That's the spirit!
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:06pm |
No surprise here.
I would venture to guess alot of Obama voters would agree with the whole idea of 'redistribution of wealth' its what the whole punitive 'tax on the rich' / 'windfall profit tax' is all about.
I always wonder if Obama and Buffett are such big fans of the Government controlling the money why don't they give the IRS some extra checks every year?
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:11pm |
re: #27 jetprop
0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:25pm |
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
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zenren Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:00pm |
Legislating the redistribution of wealth sure sounds like socialism to me. It is un-fricking-believable that this guy is possibly about to win POTUS.
Sometimes I think I am living in bizzarro world. WAKE UP AMERICA!
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LEGION Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:19pm |
Channeling Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle--Surprise Surprise Surprise!
Mainstream Media will not tell just like the LA Times- so what else is new? The Fifth estate took over the 4th estate (the media) and they may have won. Just keep repeating- Bradley effect Bradley effect!
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:32pm |
Here's a tool for anyone who is afraid this will get 'scrubbed'
Just put in the url of the video and download it on your hard drive.
[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
It doesn't, which is why it opens the Bill of NO Rights (Rights you don't have, in other words)
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:00pm |
re: #45 willowone
Unless your children are in their mid to late 60s, they aren't your children's age. The ones I am talking about are my age (37, so think 35-40) and my parents in law, (60-70 age bracket).
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:15pm |
Would not Obama's approach be stealing?
It certainly has no freedom in it.
I cannot believe that the citizens of this country would vote this man in.
He will wreck us by penalizing productivity and rewarding slack.
We will get less productivity and more slack.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:22pm |
Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:27pm |
Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.
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sngnsgt Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:38pm |
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:46pm |
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:50pm |
re: #50 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, he's got to make back some of the billion dollars he spent to get there.
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:54pm |
I just buzzed this on Yahoo. I hope others will help it gain votes.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:20pm |
re: #11 ArmyWife
No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.
I think the common spelling is "Grand Poobah!"
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:29pm |
re: #32 rightside
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
I dunno, it's not much in NBA terms, but what would you have in mind? Remember, it includes meals, health care, and access to Camp David.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:39pm |
re: #40 willowone
nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?
They'll use it. This'll be on The O'Reilly Factor by Tuesday. And it'll cost Obama a full point in the polls at least.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:40pm |
re: #59 pablito
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
It's "economic justice" doncha know.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:52pm |
re: #49 middlecon
ty, i really need to do this type of thing to help.
thanks for a skill.
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StinkHammer Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:53pm |
Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.”
But he's not a Socialist, 'cause Warren Buffet supports him.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:54pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
Chump change for the position...
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:59pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
(cursing) WHO is he selling out to, raising this amount of cash!
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rightside Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:02pm |
re: #41 arethusa
Hell, once you are elected to the house, you get a lifelong pension, IIRC. Two year term, and we pay for the rest of our lives.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:06pm |
And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.
Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!
And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.
But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:12pm |
What a genius Obama is! He's got it all figured out. Just take money from one person and give it to another. Such originality. I am sure no one has ever thought of THAT one before.
Sheesh...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:15pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
There is still a possibility that all that cash investment will have no return.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:16pm |
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:21pm |
I have it downloaded and saved, in case it gets removed.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:30pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
And how much of it came from - er - questionable Mideast sources via credit card?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:56pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Like father, like son. His father's thoughts on economics read were much the same. Reds, both of them Reds.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:09pm |
re: #67 jaunte
I don't think he knows, I think he is monumentally stupid.
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:10pm |
re: #43 nyc redneck
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
LOL.that or trying to sound intellectual, I presume..or it's that hypnotist thingy :-)
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:22pm |
There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.
But, the whole is WONDERFUL.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:38pm |
re: #66 pablito
It's "economic justice" doncha know.
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
He and Michelle are going to wipe their arses with the Constitution.
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:40pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:43pm |
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:45pm |
re: #34 ArmyWife
I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.
LOL!
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Charles Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:49pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
Yes, that's what you heard.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm |
re: #73 Sharmuta
And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.
Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!
And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.
But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?
OK, this audio simply has to become part of the campaign.
Would someone who's a touch typist please transcribe?
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm |
44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
That's easy:
Redistributing wealth and "reparations" will establish "social justice", insure domestic Tranquility by forestalling rioting in the streets and promote underserved welfare, among other benefits.
//
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:27pm |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:34pm |
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:46pm |
re: #83 MandyManners
There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.
But, the whole is WONDERFUL.
Trivial shit but, it still bugs me. I'm not saying I'm perfect but, I don't put up an ad on YouTube.
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Alouette Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:48pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
Soros can't be POTUS, so he's buying himself one.
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Penguinchic Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:57pm |
You do know that he also plans on having those who make over $250,000 return the tax cuts that they received for the last eight years because it is only fair.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:13pm |
Saving for Greatness
by Luke Setzer
Your savings, believe it or not, affect the way you stand, the way you walk, the tone of your voice -- in short, your physical well-being and self-confidence. A man without savings is always running. He must. He must take the first job offered, or nearly so. He sits nervously on life’s chairs because any small emergency throws him into the hands of others.
Without savings, a man must be too grateful. Gratitude is a fine thing in its place. But a constant state of gratitude is a horrible place in which to live. A man with savings can walk tall. He may appraise opportunities in a relaxed way, have time for judicious estimates and not be rushed by economic necessity.
A man with savings can afford to resign from his job if his principles so dictate -- and for this reason he will never need to do so. A man who can afford to quit is much more useful to his company and therefore more readily promoted. He can afford to give his company the benefit of his most candid judgments.
A man with savings can afford the wonderful privilege of being generous in family or neighborhood emergencies. He can take the level stare of any man ... friend, stranger or enemy. That ability shapes his personality and character.
The ability to save has nothing to do with the size of income. Many high-income people spend it all. They are on a treadmill, darting through life like minnows.
The dean of American bankers, J.P. Morgan, once advised a young broker: "Take waste out of your spending; you’ll drive the haste out of your life."
If you do not need money for college, a home or retirement, then save for self-confidence. The state of your savings does have a lot to do with how tall you walk.
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wolfie Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:20pm |
re: #59 pablito
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
YES ! Social justice!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:23pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
For the One Government IS G-d.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:26pm |
To that insipid little tune,
"Barak is going to bleed us...."
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:29pm |
re: #48 LEGION
Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.
That'll kinda be hard to keep up, once he's President and all that. His Presidency is already a disaster, and he's not even been elected yet.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:35pm |
re: #88 Charles
I find it hard not to let loose a string of curse words on hearing that...
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:37pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
He might understand it but, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT.
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Pepper Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm |
I want my constitutionally enumerated negative rights upheld by the courts of economic justice. It is only fair.
/sarc
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm |
re: #85 razorbacker
When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.
Then the Dems are certainly fishing for a master fish.
;)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:11pm |
re: #98 Syrah
He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:25pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Yes.
Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:26pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope. Its automatic when in that position - even if he couldn't get one if he applied to be a janitor as NSA.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:39pm |
ok, it's downloading, now i'll have to learn how to retrieve it.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:48pm |
re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans
There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:55pm |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
I think I've heard before that elected officials don't have to be approved for security clearances?
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:21pm |
Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?
'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:32pm |
Obama said,
"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm |
re: #113 Ojoe
There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".
Obama is the Messiah, after all.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:42pm |
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
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LEGION Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:49pm |
If he wins and raises the taxes I ain't paying- come and get me! Have most of the nation join in and watch the laws change retroactively! Get impeachment proceedings ready for him.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:53pm |
Under Obamunism, the only question is it there will be blood or there may be blood. Only Obamunist Democrats believe the may part. They are fantasist's.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:58pm |
re: #71 Ojoe
The point of militant socialism is to ruin the country. THEN to reshape it in the fashion they want. Google the Cloward-Piven Strategy for details (for one, as posted on American Thinker).
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:00pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
He was saying it like was a bad thing that the Constitution defined what the Government wasn't supposed to do to you.
I knew he was a commie rat bastard, but this is just... enough. Too much. I hope I hear a lot about this tomorrow.
Sure as hell I'll be talking about it.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:01pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D
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Colin Nelson Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:03pm |
A brilliant find.
This might just do it.
So, if the dems take the house and the senate and the WH, then, the change in legislation that Barry Hussein favours over using the courts will be a piece of cake...
But, but, but, I was only eight years old when Ayers was doing those awful things and besides, I thought he had been rehabilitated
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:15pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
Yes, I know. It's for a personal argument. I figure you guys would be able to help me out. Here's what the guy said:
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@ Matrix: if Obama were really a person with proven clear ill intent towards the United States, I'd doubt the FBI and/or Secret Service would let him anywhere near the Capitol Building when he went to report to work every day. Security in national government buildings in DC has tightened considerably since 9/11, and I'd doubt they'd let someone with strong ties to terrorism walk in and out of any major executive building unchecked, let alone work as a United States senator in the Capitol building. Beyond that though, a hypothetical question: suppose Obama is elected. What are the consequences of that, in your honest opinion, specifically with regard to the things you've been posting?
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:21pm |
re: #115 erisldysnomia
Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?
'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.
Will YouTube yank it?
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:23pm |
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:30pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
I doubt that he fails to understand the point, he just wants to change it.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:40pm |
re: #103 Iron Fist
Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.
Truly true, and truly amazing.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:46pm |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:47pm |
This is the bit that jumped out at me:
...and to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
Translation: you're too stupid to know how to take care of yourself, so we're going to do it for you. Whether you like it or not.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:52pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
Obama said,
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
Pessimistic?!? The negative liberties were the whole idea! America's major fight for the past 200+years has been to try and keep it that way!
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:56pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Gee, kinda hard not to get the impression that he doesn't like the Constitution.
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:07pm |
re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond
I can understand Communism in Hawaii. Before Capt. Cook, there was a King, and the King owned everything, even your own person. if you owned something it was because the King allowed it.
Not that far removed from Communism, when you ponder it a bit.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm |
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm |
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:47pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
If they do, I think enough people have archived it and will put it on available servers.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:54pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
I've got it saved and ready to repost at YouTube and many other numerous sites if that happens.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:57pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
State Senator
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:04pm |
re: #134 Fat Jolly Penguin
Thi9s is for your own good, so you might as well relax and enjoy the ride...
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:08pm |
re: #2 arethusa
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
$400K now...
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:10pm |
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Jimash Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:15pm |
Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.
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guzziguy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:23pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
State of Ill. senate.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:25pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
That may be his term as ILL Senator, not U.S. Senator.
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talon_262 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:30pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
He was an Illinois state senator before being elected to the US Senate in 2004.
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm |
obama is literally trying to buy the presidency. he is in all the swing states boring the hell out of people w/ 24/7 propaganda.
that could back fire on him big time. just imagine hearing his bs night and day non stop.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Let's make this go viral.
The virus isn't the video though, it's Obama. < Agent Smith > Barack Obama is a disease. And we... are the cure. < /Agent Smith >
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:00pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
Obama said,
"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:07pm |
re: #140 SeafoodGumbo
I don't see the video. Anyone else?
It is a recording of a radio broadcast. Did you hear it?
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Dalibama Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:15pm |
No wonder they have encouraged early voting.
Why is it that I don't think all the billionaires around Obama will be redistributing their wealth?
This audio apparently has been on the website for a while. What happened to opposition research?
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:19pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:48pm |
How's this YouTube piece doing on the social networking sites?
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:08pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
Shocking? The American people think that they're (we're) too well insulated to get a shock.
Experience is a harsh teacher, but effective.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:12pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:13pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Let's make this go viral.
Yes- Lizards- give this post a Buzz at yahoo and use the "Share This" feature.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:18pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.
Uh, he's been mentioning it all over the place. In fact, a member of the Kansas City Star editorial board decided he didn't like it, so he announced that socialism is a code word for black.
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Defogger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:27pm |
I heard this somewhere, once before. Nevertheless, it will never make the MSM.
What bothers me is that this is going to be a close election.
It. Should. Not. Be. Close.
Doesn't ANYONE (other than a Lizard) understand our Constitution anymore?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:35pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
Let them. I have it downloading now and I'll re-up it if they take it down, with full credit to the original author of course.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:44pm |
re: #99 gmsc
Thank you .I am sending a copy to my son, who never met a dime he didn't want to spend.
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wolfie Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:27pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
That won't stop him from swearing to uphold it.
Not for a minute.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:28pm |
This is looking less like an election and more like a media led coup de tat with an aim towards sizing power and doing away with the constitution as we know it.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:41pm |
re: #161 Tigger2005
Because Marx was really a black man? Hey, it worked for Billy Jeff...
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:44pm |
re: #147 Jimash
Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.
I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).
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oh_dude Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:49pm |
Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."
(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:52pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
No, there is nothing to object to in this. They may review it, but I would expect them to leave it up.
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SeafoodGumbo Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:02pm |
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Idle Drifter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:40pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
Destroy the Constitution then rape the Nation to fulfill a twisted sense of social justice doesn't exactly build bridges unless the primary building materials are matches, kerosene and TNT. Barak Obama thinks the ends justifies the means.
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:01pm |
This audio was scrubbed from wbez website I believe ......when I was looking around some time ago I saw an audio of Ayers and another professor on the wbez website in the archives of google .....there was one of Senator Government but it was taken out of the archives ..... wonder how this person got the audio ...... there must be some in Chicago who do not want this guy elected ......now if only they would come up with more .......here is where it was and you cannot access it now .....
[Link: web.archive.org...]
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:04pm |
re: #135 gmsc
The BOR is concerned with that but in there it doesn't distinguish what the things the States can't do to you as opposed to what the Feds can't do to you. Your rights are inalienable. Its not as if some can be violated by the Feds and others only by the States. Thats my point. And BTW, the bulk of the Constitution was concerned with the sharing of power between the States and the Federal Government.
And it was summed up in the 10th amendment which says..
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
I think that is what Obama was confused about trying to inject the 10th amendment into the civil rights discussion.
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:30pm |
Obama desires a USSA-United Socialist States of America.
"Mr. Obama, tear down these walls."
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Typicalwhitey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:47pm |
SNIP:
I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.
She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:11pm |
I'm going to flog this link again, to Stanley Kurtz' fine piece on Obama's early political career. It helps illuminate some of the themes dramatized in this tape.
Kurtz:
"Obama's overarching political program can be described as "incremental radicalism."
...
"Fundamentally, he is a big-government redistributionist who wants above all to aid the poor, particularly the African-American poor. Obama is eager to do so both through race-specific programs and through broad-based social-welfare legislation. "Living wage" legislation may be economically counterproductive, and Obama-backed housing experiments may have ended disastrously, yet Obama is committed to large-scale government solutions to the problem of poverty. Obama's early campaigns are filled with declarations of his sense of mission-a mission rooted in his community organizing days and manifest in his early legislative battles."
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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tradewind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:19pm |
O/T to a minor degree, but did anyone see MTP this morning and come away with the feeling that Tom Brokaw is really going to vote for McCain?
There was just something about the end of the interview, a tone...... it made me feel as if he was pulling for him.
So not NBC of him, and he was careful not to let it show, he thought... but in the middle of the palpable bias of his colleagues, there was just something different about the way he approached McCain.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:21pm |
Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:23pm |
re: #159 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.
That's right. How unwashed of me.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:31pm |
re: #170 oh_dude
Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."
(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)
Brady Bunch reference . . . YES
Obscure . . . NO
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:37pm |
Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:45pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:59pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:43pm |
re: #178 Typicalwhitey
I'll just ignore all polls, thank you very much. Why waste skull sweat trying to refine dross and dreck? :)
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:51pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.
Cheer up Kilgore.
There will be plenty of time for long faced hopelessness after the riots, recounts and lawsuits.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:53pm |
re: #181 MrPaulRevere
Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
No. No, it's not just you.
Social justice should do it for you, too.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:02pm |
re: #186 n in wi
Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?
Why not? He hates living and breathing babies from botched abortions.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:03pm |
Put a McCain/Palin 08 sign on your front lawn.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:10pm |
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:41pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!
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Alouette Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:44pm |
TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:56pm |
Punished with a baby government whose powers are restricted.
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alien_mind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:21pm |
he starts by talking about how the success of the civil rights movement did not go to the extent of addressing economic injustice. when he and the caller start talking about legislation to address reparative issues, I believe they mean reparations for African-Americans, and not so much as a socialism-for-all mindset that he seems to be pursuing now. in either case its wrong, just an observation.
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:27pm |
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:43pm |
Just notice all the things from the preamble to the Constitution that he is ignoring:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Items in bold are things that Mr. Constitutional Law Lecturer is clearly ignoring. It comes from the people, not the courts. The actions described in the document are so determined by the people to create a better union, establish justice, etc. The common defense is handled by the government. The welfare of which it speaks is a general welfare, not a redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have nots.
It's amazing how he can read the same document as us and come up with diametrically opposite views. But then again, he wants to ignore this document.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:45pm |
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tradewind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:52pm |
re: #186 n in wi
'Living breathing ' is moonbat speak for ' creeping and encroaching '.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:54pm |
re: #198 Alouette
Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?
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Palandine Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:55pm |
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):
Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.
Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.
...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:18pm |
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:22pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
I get the part about negative liberties, I was pointing out how the words..
It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
And I don't see the Constitution quite like that. That leads one to believe that certain individual rights are State-granted and others are Federally granted. That misses the whole point. Your rights are inalienable. Neither the State Government nor the Federal Government granted them to you.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:41pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.
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OldLineTexan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:59pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
Oh, he understands. That's why it has to go.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:35pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I've re-read those recently myself.
Prescient, wasn't she?
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:01pm |
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:09pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.
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Promethea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:19pm |
re: #56 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.
I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:32pm |
re: #198 Alouette
wow
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way
So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:33pm |
re: #131 wolfie
I don't want to think anyone could be that bad.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:36pm |
Though I'm but a mere college student, I plan to be successful once I'm done here, and God willing maybe even earn more than the magical $250k/year (gasp).
I intend to do this on my own merits and without any gummint aid. And when I do, I fully intend to enjoy the fruits of my labors.
Maybe that sounds boastful or haughty-but it's not supposed to be. What I'm trying to say is, when I hear "Redistribution of Wealth" all I can see it as is "Redistribution of my Potential."
I don't know how so many of my peers could see it otherwise, particularly any of those with drive or ambition. I guess my parents just raised me well.
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:48pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
The prolonged existance of Geraldo truly is a serious intergalactic crisis.
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Jimash Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:50pm |
re: #169 Racer X
I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).
Fortunately I am used to not having any money.
But after hearing Senator Obama's words, I actually fear for my "stuff".
You can scoff, but I like my stuff.
The point about the negative rights creating a wide vista of liberty as
opposed to a delineation of rights that lock you in a box, works for me.
Thank you Buzz, etc.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:53pm |
Radical Economic Change and Halloween is on Friday...Fright Night!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:01pm |
Jeez, I crack open the laptop tonight.. "let's see what's going on in the world". Right there on the front page of LGF is my worst nightmare. A quote from a guy who isn't just ignorant, or naive.. a guy who has the background to know the complexities of the question of The Wealth of Nations. And he does not believe in it. And he has the law background to put it into the proper context in the American judicial history. And, who is being carried by the msm mosh pit to the presidency. And if he makes it to the stage, he will stand there along side Pelosi and Reid - all three branches. All old enough to know better, and all willing to do what they'll do anyways.
I hope everyone in the swing states watch the Obama channel. And I hope they understand how insane it all is.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:16pm |
re: #198 Alouette
TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.
Reading it makes it even more scary.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:19pm |
re: #191 Syrah
Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?
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Dasher Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:32pm |
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:55pm |
re: #222 FortunateSon
Actually you want the magic 125K as long as it's just you. The 250K number, I believe, is for couples filing jointly.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:05pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
Oh noes!
This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!
Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:06pm |
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm |
re: #210 Mich-again
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm |
re: #217 n in wi
Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.
months,not moths
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Killer Tomato Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:06pm |
In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm |
re: #216 doriangrey
yep! as in "Oh, please, Geraldo. This is SO not an international crisis".
How do I know? My husband is still downstairs - not on post taking care of bizz- ness, not packing, but surfing the net.
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm |
re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans
For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.
Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:22pm |
re: #236 n in wi
"months,not moths"
I was enjoying a mental image of Biden in a Silence of the Lambs poster.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:29pm |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
It's in the Constitution that they will be compensated. They are, of course, allowed to waive that compensation anytime they wish, but they don't.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:32pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):
Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.
Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.
...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.
A couple of videos and audios you might enjoy:
Anthem (audio reading of a shorter work with a similar theme, also by Ayn Rand)
"This is John Galt speaking...": This is a series of videos of John Galt's speech at the climax of the book. You might want to save this for later, so as not to spoil your enjoyment of Atlas Shrugged.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:42pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Everything is a major crisis to Geraldo. He's pissed that hurricane season is over.
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:44pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!
We the People will not go quietly !
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:57pm |
re: #229 Dasher
Something is saying "You are not it, ArmyWife"
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:16pm |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
I read somewhere that Pelosi plans to pass a Congressional pay raise after the election. (As well as a host of other needless things.)
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Fearless Fred Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:20pm |
re: #5 ArmyWife
My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.
Fred
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:24pm |
re: #233 Racer X
Oh noes!
This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!
Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.
Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?
Wake the hell UP!
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alien_mind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:25pm |
that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.
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Charles Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:33pm |
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:47pm |
re: #242 jaunte
It puts the lotion on its skin. It does this, or it will get the hose! Yes, precious, it will get the hose!
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:52pm |
re: #215 Van Helsing
Are you the same Van Helsing who runs the 'moonbattery' site? If so you do great work.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:57pm |
re: #237 buzzsawmonkey
Bounty is paid for left front foreleg only.
No, then we might end paying them welfare for their disability. For the men, let's take their balls. If they riot for Obama, they shouldn't be reproducing.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:08pm |
re: #236 n in wi
months,not moths
With Biden anything he says tends to draw flies so why not a few moths? ;)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:09pm |
You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:10pm |
re: #252 Charles
On my site, sent to friends, shared with FB.
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:11pm |
re: #235 Sharmuta
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
Hi Sharmuta, hope you're doing well. It seems now like he understands it, and still thinks it's Wrong, All Wrong. He says "reinterpretation" - that doesn't mean we were interpreting it wrong the whole time.. it means he wants to use maneuvering and bullying to have the interpretation changed.
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womball Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:16pm |
Ooh you did make this a topic! I hope the media is forced to whitewash this too.
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:38pm |
re: #229 Dasher
Conyers will put the Slavery Reparations bill up for a vote this coming session, just like he does every session. This time may be the magic BB.
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:40pm |
re: #223 Quad Mocha Matti
If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:41pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.
CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:58pm |
re: #41 arethusa
That's the spirit!
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
Hey, the country could always go broke and not have the $169K/year.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:03pm |
re: #252 Charles
I've emailed it to every blog I read and Drudge.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:38pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Watch out for that stuff, it'll put hair on your palms.
But yeah, there is nothing new under the sun.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:44pm |
re: #260 womball
The sad thing is that they will whitewash this. You mustn't speak ill of the Obamessiah.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:45pm |
re: #251 alien_mind
that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.
Nah, just a typical public radio listener, a sycophant.
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shanec99 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:59pm |
re: #43 nyc redneck
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
If he were he would be following the footsteps of a great American President (George Washington).
George and he have nothing in common.
Not service to the nation (Washington served our nation in uniform during a time of peril, Obama accuses our military of atrocities while they are confronting the enemy on the battle field).
Not in who his associates are (George Washington's asoociates were Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Ben Franklyn... Obama's associates are Ayers, Wright and various other terrorists and racists).
Not resisting our enemies foreign and domestic.
Not believing in the principle of the sanctity of private property.
and not especially honesty (George Washington was known for his honesty... need we continue?)
NOTHING.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:10pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've added it to StumbleUpon. Anyone stumbling with the tags economics, politics, socialism, video, obama, republican, or democrat will see it.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:11pm |
re: #246 mama winger
Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've been around this site for a little while now, Charles. This is the first time I've seen you make these kinds of entreaties. I agree with you, of course. It's coming close to D-Day. And it's serious stuff.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm |
re: #246 mama winger
You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!
We the People will not go quietly !
He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".
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SlapLeather Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:32pm |
This is the emerging rebuttal:
"Redistributive justice and redistribution of wealth are two different things. As a not so minor example. In MA the state legislature decided that renters should be able to deduct a percentage of their annual rent in lieu of mortgage deductions such as home owners get automatically. That's redistributive justice."
keep the change
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:42pm |
re: #257 TheMatrix31
You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.
A transcript is either the exact words as spoken, or it might as well never see the light of day. People have trouble understanding the issue involved should have someone handy to explain what they don't understand.
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:46pm |
re: #271 Sharmuta
Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.
That is clear- you do wonderful posts!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:58pm |
re: #263 Quad Mocha Matti
CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"
Indeed. That is a very good amendment to the title.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:06pm |
re: #197 Quad Mocha Matti
...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!
Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:22pm |
re: #229 Dasher
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:34pm |
re: #41 arethusa
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:39pm |
re: #254 MrPaulRevere
No. I didn't realize I had poached someone else's nic.
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:04pm |
re: #280 The Archivist
Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"
We love Zombie here!
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:05pm |
re: #235 Sharmuta
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
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Griffon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:09pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Is this a joke?
/Channeling Joe Biden
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:34pm |
THIS is why I really can't stand early voting. You vote before all the information has been located.
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yochanan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:39pm |
we need a over 21 thread so i can really say what i think about obama's circle jerk media and the un-natural acts they are doing to his spinkter.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:40pm |
re: #179 jaunte
Thank you for re-posting that important document for those who may not have seen it.
I grew up in Hyde Park, delivered the Hyde Park Herald, and in the years after World War 2, watched the neighborhood turn into shit. Berkley is a "communist kindergarten" compared to Hyde Park. By the time I left the place in the late 50s the term "white Negro's" was a well know local term to describe whites who had adopted black culture. Jeff Fort was on the way up and Jesse Jackson was "hanging around" at 57th and Woodlawn. Elijah Muhammad had had taken over the Jewish Temple on 54th and Ellis (Muhammed's Temple Of Islam #2) though the Star of David remained at least until 1960, and it was not that unusual to see "Red" going in on occasion.
A neighborhood kid even eventually became the head of the Chicago PD gang unit. Ironic in a way.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:41pm |
re: #228 Iron Fist
Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?
Well . . .
I think I would advise against that ever so cautiously.
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm |
You know there is so much out there in Chicago ......but they have scrubbed as much as they could ......why was this audio scrubbed on wbez when there are so many that are still there on the same page of the archives ....
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm |
i sent to wftvnews (the woman that asked Biden questions)
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:59pm |
re: #241 doriangrey
Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.
Nah. This is just another day in the WOT. Some things just can't wait for an election.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:06pm |
re: #232 arethusa
Ah, in that case disregard everything I said.
Obama/Biden'08!
/sarcasm
The goal driving me forward (no impending puns intended) is to own a 1935 Duesenberg SJ at some point in my life. I'm pretty sure whatever income owning and maintaining a magnificent four-wheeled supercharged stallion such as that demands would put me in the class that would suffer the most wealth redistribution.
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:08pm |
re: #27 jetprop
it's from his nose restructuring. I can't stand listening to his ideology!
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:09pm |
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:13pm |
re: #271 Sharmuta
And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.
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Paul Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:25pm |
Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.
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Pepper Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:37pm |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
Providing security from immediate threat or investigating direct action is an obvious role.
The elected officials background is used for certain committee positions. There is nothing security, or FBI can do to stop subversion of the officials office or the abuse of the access to information. We can only trust that this will not happen. Unless an overt act occurs usually it is a difficult issue to mete out justice. After all, the Federal agencies fall under the Executive, and The Separation of Powers argument applies.
We have had members of Congress commit acts which can be construed as treasonous. Sedition and treason are well within the scope of law but rarely prosecuted, similar to perjury in many court cases. The Congress is supposed to be self-policing in this area.
Many times unauthorized discussions have occurred between elected officials and foreign entities. Sometimes military operations been revealed jeopardizing soldiers directly, intelligence operations are exposed by officials either misspeaking, leaking, or in some cases overtly. What is interesting is an Federal employee either civilian or military would be prosecuted.
We do have subversive members in our government in both elected and civilian roles. Elected officials for some reason garner extreme latitude. Sometimes it is well intended foolishness in other cases, it is not.
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DM Glampers Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:38pm |
I actually have high hopes for this to make a difference.
Only the fully indoctrinated could hear The One speak this way and not realize that this is not the change they expected
/Fingers crossed
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:50pm |
re: #229 Dasher
I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:00pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
Buzzed and Drudged.
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:30pm |
re: #262 swamprat
If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!
This just in: ...Wife says he's not even a George Bush!
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DM Glampers Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:51pm |
For luck, not 'cause I'm channeling a dem.re: #302 DM Glampers
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:11pm |
re: #285 Mich-again
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:12pm |
re: #282 itellu3times
Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?
Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.
Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:30pm |
re: #250 DisturbedEma
Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?
Wake the hell UP!
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:12pm |
re: #303 thebigolddog
I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.
Yes, as if the only people who needed economic redistribution were black folks. You know, there really is no such thing as a poor white person.
/(just to be completely obvious)
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:21pm |
re: #295 FortunateSon
Was just sayin', you'll get there sooner than you thought, probably.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:24pm |
re: #307 Sharmuta
Digg it, Folks.
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:44pm |
re: #300 Paul
Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.
Even better - if you can get enough people like Oprah and Spike Lee, who are rich as hell and influential will a ton of other rich people, you can put together enough money to buy the press. And then you can brainwash people that otherwise had the self-respect to believe the didn't need other people's money given to them.
But then November 4th comes, we look in the dictionary, and his definition turns out to be false.
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yochanan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:51pm |
re: #185 Quad Mocha Matti
Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least
2x3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.
TONGUE PLANTED BETWEEN WHICH PAIR OF CHEEKS? we know were the MSM tounge is.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:55pm |
re: #310 arethusa
Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.
Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?
We can hold a car wash and cookie sale every weekend.
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:11pm |
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:31pm |
re: #315 vxbush
What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:41pm |
re: #274 Van Helsing
He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".
Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.
I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:01pm |
re: #285 Mich-again
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
Even as "difficult" and as "long" as the word "inalienable" is, it's an important part of our founding.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:20pm |
re: #317 gmsc
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm |
re: #313 dentate
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.
I think most American Jews see some connection with Israel, but remember, plenty of Jews in Israel support Peace Now and other suicidal idiocies.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm |
re: #298 MrPaulRevere
And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.
The constitution is whatever the SCOTUS says it is...
The real battleground for the future is there...whomever sits there judges our fate.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:42pm |
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:35pm |
re: #324 mama winger
I wasn't ever a Marine, but I did work as Civillian Attached Personnel my senior year of high school. I took the oath, too. All enemies foreign and domestic...
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:45pm |
re: #323 Iron Fist
What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?
See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.
It's all so stupid.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:46pm |
re: #316 arethusa
Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:54pm |
re: #249 Fearless Fred
My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.
Fred
That was my thought. All of us lizardoids are shocked and horrified, but there are a lot out there who hear this and say, "Hey, I want me some of that!"
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:56pm |
re: #313 dentate
Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen.
So, nu, what was the consensus?
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Yankee Division Son Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:08pm |
I posted this a few threads ago...
1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered
Obama admits his Redistribution of Wealth is to SAVE the African American community SO HE CAN ENSURE HIS OWN SALVATION! (and Our Countries Salvation) He compares the plight of African Americas to the ethic genocide's of Bosnia and Africa. He blames all of African American's problems on "ONE GROUP" who suppresses them. And He says WHITE people don't want their taxes to help black children.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:21pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:28pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
Proposes to stop the sea from rising - check.
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm |
re: #229 Dasher
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:41pm |
re: #330 Tigger2005
Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)
I'm participating in a political event not in KC next weekend.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:47pm |
re: #309 Sharmuta
I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.
Non-existant is the word I'd use.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:18pm |
re: #333 FortunateSon
Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.
You a "Dapper Dan" man?
Loved that movie!
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm |
re: #323 Iron Fist
If you are mixed you take money from the right side pocket of your jeans and put it in the left side pocket.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:41pm |
re: #290 gymnast
You're welcome; had to step away for a moment. I hope everyone reads the Kurtz article and passes the information along as a supplement to the tape; it provides a broader look that's a bit harder to refute.
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FightingBack Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:42pm |
I don't think this will help. There are enough folks who are hoping to be the slackers who get the stolen wealth.
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Defogger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:45pm |
re: #311 buzzsawmonkey
Do not forget, folks, that there are a lot of people sucking at the government teat already, to whom Obama's words will sound like hog heaven.
And they vote too. Sometimes, thanks to ACORN, several times.
Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:59pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Has his own salute - Check
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:08pm |
re: #218 Promethea
I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.
Of course you're right. They could give a rat's ass about Barack, it's all about their own selfish goals.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:10pm |
re: #332 vxbush
See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.
It's all so stupid.
What about the Africans who sold other tribe members, do they kick in some $ ?
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:30pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
No, the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.
Goodnight.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:46pm |
ok so we have it sent to O'reilly, hannity, wjtvnews, Levin. Clintonforum,
Kurtz?
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herewegoagain Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:51pm |
re: #173 Idle Drifter
Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."
I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"
Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:18pm |
To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:41pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've never used the ShareThis button before, Charles. I just sent it to our local conservative morning talk show host on KKTX.
Thanks for bring this up.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:04pm |
re: #326 Sharmuta
That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.
I didn't think you would be the kind to sport a Kaffiyeh.
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:20pm |
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:26pm |
re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I do like the smell of my hair treatment. The pleasing odor is half the point.
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PaxAmericana Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:54pm |
This was from 2001.
Barry has been campaigning for over a year.
Why is this stuff coming out now, a few weeks before the election? The Republicans really dropped the ball on this.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:55pm |
re: #355 herewegoagain
Rashid Khalidi is one 'friend of Obama' who is definitely interested in taking down the "American Empire."
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:16pm |
re: #335 Moe Katz
So, nu, what was the consensus?
Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:24pm |
re: #324 mama winger
Couldn't say it better. Our best to little winger.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:25pm |
re: #336 Yankee Division Son
I posted this a few threads ago...
My god, I am scared. The thought of him as our next president scares me like nothing I have felt before. I won't let the fear paralyze me though, I'm going to see to it that both of these clips are played tomorrow at work. If this does not sway people from voting for Obama, nothing will.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:53pm |
re: #324 mama winger
Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.
I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.
I took that oath in 1960. I no longer wear the uniform, but the oath is still part of me, and will be until the day I die.
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:14pm |
re: #364 dentate
Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.
Thanks. I worry about that too.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:19pm |
re: #317 gmsc
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)
///ducks
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Scion9 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:34pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
Here is what Obama was referring to, in regards to the philosophical core of the Constitution. His appraisal of it being a 'charter of negative liberties' is apt.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:43pm |
It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:03pm |
Sharmuta, you seem to have some insight into the"puma" force, how big do you think they will be in this election? I have gone to some you have recommended and they seem pretty determined to see Obama defeated. How many do you think there really are?
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:05pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,
Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:25pm |
i'm 1/8 cherokee.
i want my my money
/
i wonder if the grifter has any idea how many americans this is going to potentially affect?"
he is out of his mind.
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Indypendent Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:46pm |
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:14pm |
It does not surprise me that some people want this redistribution of wealth ....a few years ago my husband and I were driving around in Chattanooga looking at property and we were in a car we don't drive on the farm ......we drove through a neighborhood where we were thinking of buying some rental property and we actually had two houses of people throw trash at us and yell .......Give us some money ...No joking .....we never went back there again .....
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:20pm |
My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:23pm |
re: #373 taxfreekiller
Push, Push, Push.
last lap gut it out
Pain is temporary. Defeat lasts an eternity.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:28pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
Why do I keep thinking of leopards and spots.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm |
OK- I also sent this to the Hillary Clinton Forum. Hopefully on of the admins will share this video.
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Globular Cluster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:51pm |
re: #313 dentate
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers.
Which is most of your shul.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:52pm |
re: #339 doppelganglander
I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.
As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"
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profitsbeard Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:08pm |
Obama- the little Red schoolhouse... all growed up.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:34pm |
Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:40pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:41pm |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:42pm |
re: #380 nigella
My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!
see my #376,
lol,
gmta
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:49pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
As someone posted
"What's black and white and red all over?"
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:59pm |
re: #373 taxfreekiller
Push, Push, Push.
last lap gut it out
Isaiah 40
28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:11pm |
re: #369 FurryOldGuyJeans
Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)
///ducks
Of course not! Otherwise, the screenname would be "Sharmuto".
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:33pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
Unfortunately Sharmuta, its a moonbat hangout now.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:34pm |
re: #372 ArmyWife
It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?
Oh. I am so past that point. Carry on the good fight, dear lizards. Sleep beckons.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:36pm |
I have seen a picture of Sharmuta.
She is very pretty and appears very dedicated to her cause; a cause which we share.
/.02
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Yankee Division Son Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:01pm |
re: #390 Ojoe
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
My thoughts exactly.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:08pm |
re: #388 Mich-again
Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.
Hopefully he will get his wish.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:19pm |
re: #371 Scion9
It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.
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transient Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:34pm |
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:52pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
My GREAT concern as well. He'll have the most liberal hitter in those seats.
The constitution and this country will be so vulnerable to marxist ideation!
Scares me like nothing else before!
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:02pm |
re: #404 transient
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
My Canadian bank checking account.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:06pm |
re: #399 Yankee Division Son
It is with great effort that my comments about Mr. Obama remain civil here.
Goodnight again, really I'm too sleepy.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:28pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
That is not true. Some people have left communism for good. David Horowitz is a good example, as was Whittaker Chambers. I'm afraid that you are error.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:36pm |
because the oppressed people simply did not realize their true class interests
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:37pm |
re: #404 transient
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
You have two months to think about that between election day and inauguration day. Right now - focus on winning this election.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:39pm |
re: #375 ErislDysnomia
As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,
Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!
Three Jewish doctors of the seven of us in my department, all McCain supporters. We DO exist. But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican. Most people still look at the label on the can, and don't read the ingredients.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:46pm |
re: #356 Sharmuta
To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.
I like the Wild Boar fountain myself. As a kid we took my dad's folks to Putsch's on the Plaza every Sunday and I'd toss a penny or two into the fountain.
Then they moved Putsch's to the Blue Ridge Mall and we went there for a while ... then the Mall went into a long decline ... and now the Mall is gone and a Wal-Mart is in its place, with a bunch of other new shops and restaurants and a Lowe's on the way ... and the Blue Ridge Cinema across 40 Highway is boarded up and the parking lot overgrown with weeds ...
All this change makes me feel old!
But the Boar is still there!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:56pm |
re: #406 Moe Katz
My Canadian bank checking account.
Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)
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Killer Tomato Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:04pm |
Sent it to the morning and afternoon drive time talk show hosts on a Boston station.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:30pm |
re: #390 Ojoe
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
My ancestors (dad's side) were part of the Underground Railroad, fought for the GAR, and never owned a slave. My mom's side didn't arrive until 1880.
I just might chose jail over paying reparations.
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Muadib Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:31pm |
re: #403 Iron Fist
All I am saying is "give war a chance"...
There's a time for peace, and a time for war.
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:51pm |
JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:04pm |
If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:12pm |
re: #414 FurryOldGuyJeans
Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)
Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria....
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:14pm |
re: #386 dentate
As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"
Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:26pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I sent this video w/ a transcript, big thanks to Soona' , to every family member both blue and red on my private e-mail. I'm waiting for the backlash I can here those screaming sirens coming from above.
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theblakester Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:41pm |
Caught Red handed, with hand in the cookie jar!
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:58pm |
re: #412 dentate
But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican.
Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?
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Nancy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:06pm |
I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer and a legislator and he actually believes that the civil rights movement wasn't radical enough because it didn't result in changes to the constitution?
That the founding fathers were in error when they only covered what a government should NOT do and didn't include what the government MUST do?
How on earth, with any moral integrity did he take the oath of office and swear to uphold the constitution while believing that it is needs to be changed.
I believe that reason ALONE disqualifies him from holding any USA office. The oath is clearly to UPHOLD the constitution. Not seek to rewrite it or change it.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:10pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:27pm |
re: #413 Tigger2005
Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:53pm |
I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm |
re: #398 Muadib
All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.
/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:15pm |
re: #421 HoosierHoops
If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama, CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)
He added that after the "presidential seal" fiasco.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:20pm |
re: #379 JacksonTn
There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?
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Dasher Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm |
re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom
And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)
I don't think he cares if they were descendants from slaves or not, as long as they are "black".
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm |
re: #430 nigella
I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7
Barf!
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Abu Al-Poopypants Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm |
This thread has inspired me to change my avatar to a photoshop image that I did a few weeks back.
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:34pm |
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:18pm |
This takes me back to my pet peeve, stated perfectly by Paul Zane Pilzer in an interview with Anthony Robbins:
PZP: We’re where President Truman once was when an economist was testifying before the President, and he said, “so this is going to happen,” and President Truman said, “so then interest rates will be 6% next year?” The economist said, “No. On the other hand . . .” and President Truman interrupted him and said, “What this country needs is a good one-handed economist.” But on a serious note, economics, and economists, don’t explain to average people, or the President of the United States, what’s going on.
[..snip...]
PZP: That’s an exciting area that an economist like me doesn’t often get asked about, and I’m looking forward to entering into that in discussion. First, I believe that economics today, most economics, is where medicine was 100 years ago. 100 years ago, doctors knew what worked. “You have this symptom, take this pill.” They didn’t know about bacteria, infection, viruses, inoculation. They didn’t have theories behind what they did. And by the time a doctor learned how to take care of his patients from all his experiences - some died and some lived - he died. And he couldn’t transfer what he learned to other people.
AR: Right.
PZP: Today, you walk into any doctor, you don’t ask where he went to school, he puts a needle into your arm, you say thank you, and you feel better. We have ubiquitous, universal medical care from doctors everywhere. Why? Because we have working theories of medicine that explain to the doctor, and to you, what’s going on. Economics today, and you hear so many people say, “I don’t understand economics, I didn’t understand it in school.” My view is, it’s because your professor didn’t understand it. It’s because economic theories don’t explain what we see in our lives. That’s why we all have so many people we know, “Boy is he a jerk, and he’s making so much money,” or “My son has worked so hard at this business, and this business, and this business, and he can’t make it.” The reason we don’t see a correlation around us, between those of us who, quote, “make it” economically and those who don’t, is because we don’t have a working economic theory. We’re where medicine was 100 years ago.
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:26pm |
re: #427 Nancy
I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer
From Harvard.
Need any more explanation?
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alien_mind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:34pm |
re: #355 herewegoagain
the first thing I thought of when listening to this is that Obama's "Ayers" were showing.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:38pm |
I talked this thread up in the comments at Ace's site....they seem to be asleep at the switch over there...sigh..
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:18:50pm |
re: #430 nigella
I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7
You mean the alphabet networks, right? CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/etal/
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sngnsgt Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:13pm |
Palin: Obama's Tax Plans Could Mean Nightmare Communist State
Sarah Palin had a few memorable moments during her campaign stop in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday. But the most eye-opening of them all came, it would appear, when the Alaska Governor somehow drew a connection between Barack Obama's tax policy and an encroaching, nightmarish, communist government. The Illinois Democrat, she hysterically suggested, would, through his proposals, create a country "where the people are not free."
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RememberSekhmet? Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:24pm |
The last guy who promised things like this while denying his ties to the Communists, and becameleader of his nation causes exiles from his nation to compose songs like this and wait for his demise.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:34pm |
re: #429 Sharmuta
Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.
Hopefully a celebratory drink, not a commiserating drink ...
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JSK1121 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:46pm |
re: #440 buzzsawmonkey
As long as Israel is being discussed...
American Jews are no longer as solidly behind Israel as they were even 10 years ago. Many, being liberals first and Jews a distant second, are uncomfortable with the whole occupation/"Palestinian" problem, and are invested in "peace process" blather far more than in Israel's survival, security, and growth. Apologetic in their own lives as Jews, they are even more apologetic at the notion of defending the strength of a "Jewish state."
To the extent they are concerned about the safety of Israel, they trust to the "historic relationship" between the US and Israel to keep Israel safe without their having to put themselves to the fore. They blind themselves to the fact that for 40 years, since the Six-Day War, there has been less and less favorable, and more and more unfavorable, about Israel in the public press. A large majority of voters have grown up hearing nothing whatever in Israel's favor, unless they belong to certain Jewish or Evangelical Christian communities. The view of Israel as a "plucky little democracy" is long dead, replaced by the view of Israel as an evil, occupying, "human rights"-denying power oppressing "indigenous people." This, by the way, is the attitude that has been drummed into the black community since before 1967, by the black-separatists, Marxists, and Islamists who wrested the civil rights movement from Martin Luther King after the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
American Jews in middle age are for the most part uncomfortable with the Israel of today; they will be favorable towards Israel to the extent that they can still see it as the pioneer nation that they purchased trees for in Hebrew School decades ago (as long as the pioneers do not wear yarmulkes), but to the extent they have to look at Israel in its modern reality, they tend to shy away.
Sadly, many Israelis (I'm looking at you, Tel Aviv) are the same way.
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ClosetConservative Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:50pm |
The only thing the government of the United States must do for me is leave me and my money damn well alone.
Slick Barry can find his wealth elsewhere. He can't have mine.
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non-lib Nina Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:52pm |
re: #430 nigella
I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7
Commie News Network?
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Fierce Guppy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:19:58pm |
What a S*cialist. The guy cares not a jot about where honest money comes from, how it is made, nor considers the moral implications and consequences of expropriating the rewards people receive for their time and effort and giving it to others whose sole warrant for receiving it is their need. Money isn't personal to him. All money is to Obama is a nation's resource for treasury to manipulate and redirect. I hope this video stings him good. The low-life.
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Muadib Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:14pm |
re: #431 jetprop
/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."
I'm not waiting for anyone. I've been here the whole time.
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:18pm |
FurryOld GuyJeans, of course, but he has purchased his own cale channel. Twenty four hours of Obama telling you why he is the "one."
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:34pm |
re: #388 Mich-again
Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.
I disagree.
I think he wants the job and like Woodrow Wilson before him, will only be frustrated by the limitations that our constitution will constrain him with. Give him and his enough time, and he and they will do away with those limitations.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:52pm |
re: #423 doppelganglander
Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.
I agree with that statement 110%. I think that it is one thing to have beliefs with which I disagree, however strongly. It is another to so plainly and obviously adopt whatever identity and belief system will gain personal advantage. Who knows what this man really believes?
His willingness to deny his past associations is as bad as the associations themselves. Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Have you stopped associating with terrorists and subversives yet?
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Scion9 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:20:59pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
Nah, not true. I know a few ex-commies, and ex-pinkos.
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wolfie Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:03pm |
Anyone sending this to radio and TV stations in swing states?
Would that be worth a try?
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:15pm |
Obama's tax plan offers the middle class a larger slice of a smaller pie. Enjoy.
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Bobibutu Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:22pm |
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:28pm |
re: #420 nigella
JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.
It was a shock for my husband and me because we started from nothing ....and my husband is one of the kindest most generous people I know ....I am sure if we had been "Gangsta" they would not have thrown trash at us ...The people who did this even had kids watching them do it ......How do you become the type of person who throws trash at someone? When people down on their luck come to my husband he always tries to help them help themselves ...with work or a hand up ......But, we are getting kinda tired of this crap of people just wanting the government take care of them .......
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:33pm |
re: #426 ErislDysnomia
Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?
Wasn't that Moses? Oh, you mean the other guy...
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WestTexas Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:47pm |
Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.
West Texas
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:21:56pm |
re: #457 nigella
FurryOld GuyJeans, of course, but he has purchased his own cale channel. Twenty four hours of Obama telling you why he is the "one."
You mean the alphabet networks, right? CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/etal/ ;)
They sure sold their "birthright" for rotten mess of pottage.
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SummerSong Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:21pm |
Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!
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Idle Drifter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:41pm |
re: #355 herewegoagain
Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."
I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"
Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:48pm |
re: #467 WestTexas
Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.
West Texas
Great Minds Think alike
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tkd_purple Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:50pm |
Just opened my Arizona absentee ballot. One of the "electors" for Barak Obama is Raul H. Castro. Kid you not.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:22:53pm |
re: #469 SummerSong
Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!
I bring my own pepper...
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SummerSong Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:08pm |
re: #467 WestTexas
Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.
West Texas
GMTA = Great minds think alike.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:14pm |
re: #449 sngnsgt
Freedom to the Huffington Post crowd means getting coked up all weekend and calling in sick Monday without consequence.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:39pm |
re: #469 SummerSong
Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!
Probably all that nitrogen leaking from the underground lizard bunker.
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:23:58pm |
re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?
No. I am not sure about that ......we were just looking at property our agent sent us to see ....don't remember the name of the area ....
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SummerSong Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:09pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:12pm |
re: #467 WestTexas
Does anyone want to help a curious hatchling out? I went and read the LGF dictionary before I was able to register, and I never saw a definition for the "GMTA". Thank you in advance.
West Texas
Sometimes, all you have to do is google or yahoo or search engine of your choice any acronym and you'll find the definition.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:24:58pm |
re: #469 SummerSong
Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!
I fly Frontier through Denver all the time..They only sell you Coors beer there,,But great food!
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:15pm |
re: #449 sngnsgt
Palin: Obama's Tax Plans Could Mean Nightmare Communist State
She didn't actually say "nightmare communist state" I'm sure ... they just put those words in her mouth, right? But the morons just don't get it. They don't see how freedom is being incrementally stolen from us. Socialism is like a boa constrictor ... slowly tightening, suffocating.
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Fierce Guppy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:17pm |
re: #430 nigella
There is also a channel via TVU called "Obama America" It's off air at the moment, though.
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:19pm |
re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sometimes, all you have to do is google or yahoo or search engine of your choice any acronym and you'll find the definition.
Yes, there are dictionaries of internet lingo that come up near the top of the search.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:25:23pm |
re: #478 JacksonTn
No. I am not sure about that ......we were just looking at property our agent sent us to see ....don't remember the name of the area ....
Oh, I just found it. "Bushtown".
A name that just screams success.
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Nancy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:13pm |
re: #432 taxfreekiller
I am realizing that. I knew he was an Alinsky radical all along but so is Hillary a disciple of Alinsky and it is frightening to say, Obama is to the left of Hillary!
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WestTexas Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:17pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:26:51pm |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:34pm |
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CrackrJak Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:36pm |
Just more confirmation of Obama's socialism, Too bad this won't get any traction. No matter how many lies he tells, people he throws under the bus, or promises he changes, They will vote for him blindly because he is black and has continuously bashed GW.
I'm hoping that peoples common sense will return to them on election day, and not just vote with all the hype. Otherwise, They will regret it.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:44pm |
re: #458 Syrah
I think he wants the job and like Woodrow Wilson before him,
Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.
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SummerSong Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:47pm |
re: #482 HoosierHoops
I fly Frontier through Denver all the time..They only sell you Coors beer there,,But great food!
Well, at least they are quite civilized. They have a smoking lounge!
I flew United and didn't have to walk to the ends of the earth to get to the lounge.
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Globular Cluster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:28:50pm |
This audio puts to lie the comment by Joe Biden in the Barbara West interview, in which he claimed they weren't about wealth redistribution. Watch that video again and contrast.
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:29:33pm |
re: #412 dentate
Reverse for my situation. I have a mother who is a registered Dem.
I am the one who repetitiously reminded her of "Don't forget where you came from".
It paid off this election. She and her new husband (they're in their 80's)
pulled the early lever for McCain. I used the ole' reverse guilt this time on her!
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WestTexas Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:30:46pm |
re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lol, well I have been reading for a fairly significant amount of time, and I am constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge that flows through here. There seems to be very few idiotarians around. When they do show up y'all are pretty quick to eviscerate them. It is quite sporting to watch actually.
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:31:16pm |
re: #487 Nancy
He's to the left of every body on the Senate floor!
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Globular Cluster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:31:32pm |
From a comment on Ace:
Here't the original audio right from the station:
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
The audio archive is here:
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:32:20pm |
re: #469 SummerSong
Passed through the Denver airport today. Their bloody marys need some work!
Next time go to the bar in the basement and get one from the Lizard Lounge. Provided you have the ID and bono fides to get in. Say Hi to the boss while you're there. If you don't understand this message, don't bother.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:32:37pm |
re: #495 SummerSong
Well, at least they are quite civilized. They have a smoking lounge!
I flew United and didn't have to walk to the ends of the earth to get to the lounge.
It should be the civil right of any American to buy a nice cuban cigar in any airport and relax...
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:22pm |
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babes Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:44pm |
Just emailed Drudge and Chris Plante (WMAL) here in DC.
Where has this interview been hiding?
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capitalist piglet Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:46pm |
I just read a post on H/A - someone said there are "boots on the ground" in Syria, per FOX News...has anyone else heard that?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:33:46pm |
re: #500 WestTexas
I am the worst of the eviscerators. I am from the ignore it and it will go away school. Not so much, because I am that smart; I have to be smacked upside the head with a clue bat to recognize a troll.
But when one is treed, it is fun to watch one pretend it is a cow.
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:34:33pm |
re: #380 nigella
My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!
Does he qualify?
To qualify for Cherokee Tribal Membership you must first qualify for a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood - (CDIB) card —
To qualify for a CDIB card, you must have a Cherokee ancestor on the Dawes Rolls.
So ... let's look at these three items in detail:
Dawes Rolls:
The Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, Cherokee Nation, are commonly known as the Dawes Commission of Final Rolls, or simply, Dawes Rolls. Simply put; the Dawes Rolls were a Census.The Dawes Rolls were compiled between the years of 1899-1906. To qualify for Dawes enrollment, one of your ancestors had to have met all three of the requirements below:
1. Applied for enrollment between the years 1899 and 1906.
2. Appeared on previous Tribal rolls (1880 or 1896), and
3. Had a permanent residence within the Cherokee Nation (1880-1906).Only enrolled members of the Cherokee Nation named on these final rolls and/or their blood-related descendants will be furnished CDIB cards and/or Cherokee Tribal Membership.
Indeed, there are many people who are of Cherokee descent, but who do not qualify for Tribal Membership because their ancestors did not enroll with the Dawes Commission (1899-1906).
Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) are traced only through the natural (biological) parents. In cases of adoption, Indian ancestry must be proven through biological parents to an enrolled ancestor.
The CDIB (or "white card", as it is often called) lists a person's "Indian blood quantum." Quantum of Indian Blood is "computed" from the nearest paternal and/or maternal ancestor(s)' of Indian blood listed on the Dawes Rolls.
In other words; if you had one parent on the Dawes Rolls whose "blood quantum" was listed as 4/4ths (100%), you would be deemed to have 1/2 of your Indian parent's blood quantum --i.e., 50%.
To obtain a CDIB, you must formally apply for one and provide acceptable legal documents which connect you to an ancestor who is listed with a roll number and a blood degree from the Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, Cherokee Nation.
That's for Cherokee. Other tribes have other qualifiers.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:35:13pm |
Oh, and ArmyWife, if you happen to see this - do you have a throw away email address where I could mail you this .jpg of the screen shot we were discussing? I didn't see a link on your blog - I'm having some reservations about using my friend's account to host it.
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:37:05pm |
re: #493 CrackrJak
This is not media connect the dots here! This is HIS mouth saying the words, wealth redistribution by means of legislation. HE discounts the courts.
This is VERY important for every American, in fact for all the world to hear and see this interview! It FORTIFIES his words again spoken with Joe the Plumber!
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:38:28pm |
re: #494 Mich-again
Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.
He was more radical than many people know.
He is just not studied much. I read some of his speeches back in college and was a bit shocked at how much he disaproved of the constitutional limitations that he was constrained with.
For a modern read on Wilson, see Liberal Fascism.
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:38:55pm |
Hey guys, if you yanks (generic expression) are stupid enough to elect this socialist to be your president then you deserve everything that's coming to you. Down under in New Zealand w are just coming out of 9 years of socialist rule I use the term rule advisedly!) and it's non too easy to have shot of the bastards. late last year they changed to rules on electoral financing of elections. The Electoral Finance Bill effectively prohibiting any electioneering one full year before an election. THEN the NZ Labour Party sneaks around the law and starts using tax money to finance its campaign whilst denying all other parties the same freedom. These socialists are all for freedom as long as it only pertains to themselves and their friends.
Since 2004 the public service has increased 40 % with no increase in actual deliverables such as Police , nurses, firemen, soldiers, emergency workers. Just hoards of additional bureaucrats all getting in one's face and trying to micro-manage every facet of life including how much water is allowed to flow from your shower to what lightbulbs you are forced to use!
Needless to say these hoards of public service bureaucrats live off the state and all vote socialist.
Once in it's VERY difficult to not only undo the damage socialist do but even to actually vote them out of office!
Lots of luck Yanks.
You're going to need it!
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Lightspeed Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:39:01pm |
Charles, get this to Michelle Malkin, if you can. I emailed her, but thought you might have a direct line. She will be on Fox & Friends in the morning and could be the first to break this...
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:40:41pm |
re: #507 capitalist piglet
US Special Forces raid on a syrian village 5 miles into Syria which was training and shuffling money and terrorist personnel across the border into Iraq.
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Scion9 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:41:36pm |
re: #402 Mich-again
It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.
I don't agree at all. I think it is pretty clear that the philosophical underpinnings of the Constitution is the concept of natural rights. Even in the debates between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists in regards to the necessity of the Bill of Rights, neither side disputed the nature of the Constitution as being confined in its scope because of the enshrined belief in natural rights.
The political philosophy dividing Postive from Negative wouldn't fully be developed until after the popularization of Marxism, so the Founding Fathers and their European Enlightenment contemporaries didn't write in this terminology, but retrsopectively the belief in, and protection of an individuals natural rights, is itself inherently on the side of the Negative.
What's more, the foundations of the Constitution also limited the scope of participation both in government to elected representatives as well as the electorate itself to those deemed worthy of voting. Positive liberty puts forth the necessity that literally everyone be involved in the political process. There is very little in the Constitution that isn't on the side of the Negative.
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Ringo the Gringo Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:41:45pm |
Driving around L.A. today, from the West Side to downtown and back to the Valley - on surface streets - I was amazed at how many times I saw Obama's face. On posters plastered up at construction sites, in shop windows,on shirts and on cars; he's not even President yet and already his face is everywhere, like Big Brother.
One of the posters which I saw around is an image of Abraham Lincoln with Obama's face done up like those red, white and blue HOPE posters. I took a photograph of the entire side of a building plastered with them.
Another one I photographed is Obama as Superman.
Scary stuff. You think they'll tone it down after he's President?...I sure as hell HOPE so.
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kahall Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:42:02pm |
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:42:08pm |
re: #515 Aussie Infidel
You need to send that letter on to the media! You're preaching to the wrong choir here!
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Bos2112 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:44:41pm |
Wait wait wait...lets not get crazy here folks - I mean he was ONLY 40 when he said this- come on - give the savior a break .
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Dasher Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:46:44pm |
re: #303 thebigolddog
I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.
Yes -- It has nothing to do with slavery everything to being an "oppressed black".
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:50:52pm |
re: #522 notutopia
You need to send that letter on to the media! You're preaching to the wrong choir here!
The MEDIA? They are just propaganda organs of the coming socialist state.
Why would i even bother wasting elections?
In NZ there is NO RIGHT WING MEDIA except for a single monthly magazine Investigate. Everything else chants the party line as do all of the state and free to air TV channels.
This is the sort of shit that is waiting for you guys.
There will be no revolution with blood in the streets. Just a frog being cooked s-l-o-w-l-y in a pot that increases temperature one degree at a time. One day you'll all wake up and remember a time when you used to be free.
Sad but true.
Socialists in power are not stupid. They get their way slowly so as not to startle the sheeple!
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:53:52pm |
.... Actually there is also one talk radio show on morning prime time but mostly all other radio jocks are waaay left of centre.
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Promethea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:56:04pm |
re: #348 Defogger
Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!
In my circle, there are many who think that supporting socialism means that you are "nice." For some reason, the whole Stalin purges thing, Maoist Cultural Revolution, (and Saddam Hussein mass murders) kinda passed over their heads.
Amazing, but true.
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MobileVideoEngineer Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:57:56pm |
Hey everyone, I'm new. The Phillies won. If they win tomorrow, then we don't have to worry about Series watchers tuning in to see "The One." Quite frankly, I have no stake in who wins (it would be kind of cool to see the Rays win it), but I just want the series done in 5 games.
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Mr. Sandman Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:06:30pm |
I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:07:57pm |
Have a 30-40 year plan and stick to it
Morph your student radicals into leaders of the community and academia
Capture the public service
Capture the education sector
Dumb down education and create easily led sheeple
Make the lower socio-economic groups dependent on the state for their livelihood
Capture and exploit leftist groups within religious institutions
Decouple the young from their families
Divide and rule tactics to isolate folks from traditional religious institutions
Bread and circuses media and in your face materialistic consumerism
Trash traditional sexual mores and make relativistic relativistic morals the norm
Break the basis of the family as the basic building block of society
Capture the media to ensure that alternative views can't be disseminated
No large socialistic changes. Instead depend on incremental changes that appear politically neutral or non threatening
Once in power slowly change the social-ital drivers to entrench the socialist position as the 'natural' party of government
Alter the rules of the state to entrench the socialist status quo
Then UNMASK!
... and get even with the 'enemies of socialism'.
See anything familiar in the list above?
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Fierce Guppy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:13:29pm |
Dear Obama; It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you in the polls... that they get a chance at success, too. I feel that when you spread this audio clip around, it's good for everybody.
LOL. I See Michelle Malkin already has the clip up on her website. That was quick.
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:15:44pm |
Just in case there are any Jewish electors still unable to make up their minds about voting for O .
Only 18 more weeks of the window of opportunity(remaining time to operational S-300 missile defense in Iran) for Israel to act strategically against Iran before it will be impossible to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. Israel is now in 'do nothing mode' as they have a caretaker government until elections in Feb / Mar '09. There will be no help for Israel from an Obama presidency.
Literally Israel is now 'toast' both figuratively and practically!
Such a shame really.
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greggriffith Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:19:28pm |
Transcribers and commenters... it's rationale, not rational, in Obama's quote.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:27:33pm |
ggre: #529 Mr. Sandman
I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.
Has he somehow earned the benefit of the doubt with you? What was it, his long working relationship with a self-described Marxist whose group plotted to overthrow the U.S. government, or what?
Do you want to take a chance?
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:28:55pm |
re: #534 ploome hineni
It never does mate. The media will see to that!
The public are mentally neutered and as long as they have 'bread and circuses' (malls, movies and materialistic consumerism) they are happy.
All part of the plan that has worked a treat!
...... Surreal like that socialist society in the classic movie 'Fahrenheit 521' where 'Firemen' burn banned books.... because everything else has been made fire resistant.
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Aussie Infidel Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:38:38pm |
re: #538 yochanan
[Link: unitedagainstnucleariran.com...]
Too F**king late mate!
Press your fingers into your ears bend over and kiss your ass goodbye!
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Montaigne's Cat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:44:08pm |
Would someone please post a transcript of this interview, or a link to a transcript. Thanks.
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Bobibutu Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:47:32pm |
re: #540 Montaigne's Cat
Would someone please post a transcript of this interview, or a link to a transcript. Thanks.
done - but here it is again ...
TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.
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profitsbeard Sun, Oct 26, 2008 9:53:19pm |
re: #494 Mich-again
Obama does owe his job as US Senator to the XVII Amendment which IIRC was approved during Wilson's tenure. But I would hardly refer to Wilson as a radical like Obama clearly is.
Au contraire. Read "LIBERAL FASCISM". Wilson was a demi-despot.
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krypto Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:01:51pm |
Amazing. I lost count of how many comments I've seen by Obama's True Believers praising THE ONE for being a "Professor of Constitutional Law" (actually a mere senior lecturer) who will right the terrible violations of the US Constitutions by the Evil Bush Administration.
Now it turns out that he's showing contempt - explicitly - with what's in the Constitution.
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:02:57pm |
re: #529 Mr. Sandman
Here you go, straight from Chicago Public Radio:
Audio (real player reuired)
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:04:30pm |
re: #529 Mr. Sandman
I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.
As if the full context is going to somehow change his misunderstanding of the Constitution or his marxist ideology.
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:16:07pm |
this NOW ON DRUDGE !
good work who ever did this !
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transient Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:17:43pm |
re: #440 buzzsawmonkey
I'd also like to remind folks that US support for Israel in the UN Security Council is extremely important. The Bush administration has been outstanding in this regard. Every time a one-sided Arab-backed complaint has come up, condemning Israel and demanding unilateral action, the US has argued for balanced condemnation of terrorist actions and/or vetoed the bill. In all cases, there has been no practical impact on Israel.
This has not always been the case. Although I don't recall any dramatic UNSC resolutions that have demanded unilateral actions from Israel, the US is about the only nation keeping that from happening. (I'm not talking about the innumerable ridiculous General Assembly condemnations, which do not have the force of law.) I certainly worry that an Obama appointed ambassador to the UN will be willing to let a few things slide, which would result in Israel's being compelled to do things that would reduce her security. Open season.
And I'm not even talking about forced concessions under the "peace process," threats to cut needed defensive systems, etc.
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William Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:17:49pm |
Is McCain a fool? Why hasn't this Obama footage run as a campaign ad?
Rev Wright is off limits for McCain, and apparently so is The Messiah himself stating he doesn't have enough experience to be president...
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transient Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:04pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
As if the full context is going to somehow change his misunderstanding of the Constitution or his marxist ideology.
Sharm, Sharm...
Based on that interview, I don't think he misunderstands the Constitution at all. I think he doesn't give a d@mn. He'd like to circumvent it if he could, to see "justice" done.
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:32pm |
McCain does not realize that it is not the American people that yawned over the Rev Wright and TUCC racism
it was the fucking democrats in the primary only
they still nominated him
but that does not mean WE don't fucking want to hear about it
why o why does McCain not get it
the country is NOT just democrats he is trying to convince to vote for him
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stevieray Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:20:56pm |
re: #529 Mr. Sandman
I'd like to hear the interview in full context. There are obvious edits all over the place here, and what he means by "redistribution of wealth" in this context is a matter of interpretation. He's likely thinking about things like investing more in inner-city schools and infrastructure, and policies to support job growth and economic development in poor, minority neighborhoods, not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.
Perhaps you missed this part:
And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.
Is that not radical enough for you?
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:21:38pm |
Well, it's only my first night here, but I have to say:
I am very impressed by the power this community has. Top billing on Drudge, already? And this is just since I registered a few hours ago! Nice work!
On a lighter note, did anyone else snicker at the "McCain Vows to Come From Behind" headline, or is this just my college sense of humor?
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:23:32pm |
re: #554 FortunateSon
Well, it's only my first night here, but I have to say:
I am very impressed by the power this community has. Top billing on Drudge, already? And this is just since I registered a few hours ago! Nice work!
On a lighter note, did anyone else snicker at the "McCain Vows to Come From Behind" headline, or is this just my college sense of humor?
where did he make that comment
in SF ?
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stevieray Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:23:39pm |
re: #547 Adrenalyn
this NOW ON DRUDGE !
good work who ever did this !
w00t!
Major headline!
Its got the whole top of the page!
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:25:20pm |
re: #547 Adrenalyn
this NOW ON DRUDGE !
good work who ever did this !
I believe it was Syrah who emailed it to Matt.
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:25:37pm |
top of the page
20 minutes ago it was a small line item
hooray !
also, Charles
quote, upding, etc.
are sending me back to the home page again randomly
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:26:26pm |
Sharmuta
well, hugs & kisses to her
or a manly handshake
whichever is appropriate
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transient Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:28:46pm |
re: #553 buzzsawmonkey
True. But the "special relationship" between the US and Israel, which American Jews can no longer be taken for granted. The power is shifting, and it is shifting away from maintenance of this relationship. It may be possible to shift it back, but it will take recognition of the situation and a great deal of work.
Certainly won't be able to take it for granted under an Obama presidency. It is amazing to me how many of my relatives, even the older ones, to whom Israel is important, are pro-bama. I think they take the relationship for granted--and they may be in for a rude surprise (although they'd probably tell themselves, "It's still better than McCain.") I think they take Israel for granted. They are voting on other issues, and are "hoping" he will be as pro-Israel as his panderganda claims.
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Lightspeed Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:35:47pm |
Awesome! People waking up tomorrow are in for a shock when the check in with Drudge. (Some) major news outlets will have to run with this. This is gonna stick, it's the man himself, in his own words, channeling Marx and Lennin (and Ayers, and Wright, and Klonsky, and Frank Marshall Davis, and Alinsky, and on, and on).
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Adrenalyn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:38:52pm |
this is why they want early voting so damn much
before anyone finds out the truth
thanks American media
you know, if this M effer redistributes wealth
your paychecks too will be given to the poor
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:41:34pm |
re: #560 transient
Certainly won't be able to take it for granted under an Obama presidency. It is amazing to me how many of my relatives, even the older ones, to whom Israel is important, are pro-bama. I think they take the relationship for granted--and they may be in for a rude surprise (although they'd probably tell themselves, "It's still better than McCain.") I think they take Israel for granted. They are voting on other issues, and are "hoping" he will be as pro-Israel as his panderganda claims.
When, not if, Israel is attacked while Obiden is POTUS, President Obama will deliberate, consult with his advisors, mull over the options, poll the people, discount the polls, deliberate some more...then, after the fact he'll propose a nice shiny new memorial to the former Israel.
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redvoter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:54:04pm |
hell yeah, front and center on Drudge baby. This story might pick up some steam, at the very least it will be talked about around the water coolers.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 10:58:42pm |
re: #548 transient
I'd also like to remind folks that US support for Israel in the UN Security Council is extremely important. The Bush administration has been outstanding in this regard. Every time a one-sided Arab-backed complaint has come up, condemning Israel and demanding unilateral action, the US has argued for balanced condemnation of terrorist actions and/or vetoed the bill. In all cases, there has been no practical impact on Israel.
This has not always been the case. Although I don't recall any dramatic UNSC resolutions that have demanded unilateral actions from Israel, the US is about the only nation keeping that from happening. (I'm not talking about the innumerable ridiculous General Assembly condemnations, which do not have the force of law.) I certainly worry that an Obama appointed ambassador to the UN will be willing to let a few things slide, which would result in Israel's being compelled to do things that would reduce her security. Open season.
And I'm not even talking about forced concessions under the "peace process," threats to cut needed defensive systems, etc.
Absolutely right.
If the UN Security Council has an unobstructed path to put sanctions against Israel in the knowledge that Obama would allow them to go through - this would be an incredibly dangerous situation for Israel.
I started thinking about the UN Security Council myself yesterday (although I admit it hadn't occurred to me until just yesterday that Obama would allow any and all anti-Israel UN votes to go through without a veto.)
Obama's crisis (the one Biden is promising) may indeed be a world war which would be almost impossible to avoid if Israel is truly left to fend for herself while Obama feeds his ego in talks with enemies who threaten Israel more and more.
What I really believe is going on here is that Obama committed fraud to get the nomination away from Hillary and that his followers (including the MSM) are doing everything humanly possible for him to complete a coup d'état.
I think it's very possible that it will lead to a world war if he's able to do this.
Not just because he would leave Israel on her own, but because it would be too tempting for all our various enemies to do what they can while they can.
I hope the release of this audio tape about his intentions will make it from Drudge to the rest of the world in a very big way. These are his own words, after all.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:02:29pm |
re: #563 Adrenalyn
this is why they want early voting so damn much
before anyone finds out the truth
It's interesting that California's early voting is showing 210,000 voters with Democrats only having a 1000 voter edge over Republicans.
In California!
It seems to me that Republicans all over the country are truly wide awake.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:04:40pm |
re: #565 redvoter
hell yeah, front and center on Drudge baby. This story might pick up some steam, at the very least it will be talked about around the water coolers.
You'd be surprised how many NPR types don't know who/what Drudge is. They probably heard of him 10 years ago, but his revelations about their beloved Cigar Shover were too traumatic for their psyches.
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RedVoter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:05:59pm |
oh yeah, for the hell of it, I sent the audio to Barbara West. I figured she could have some fun with it after the hatchet job being done on her for that interview.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:06:35pm |
The McCain/Palin campaign reads Drudge, though, I'm sure.
If the MSM doesn't pick up on this, McCain and Palin will.
Then it will become news (at least on Fox.)
It has a much better chance of getting out there once Drudge and Fox have it.
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Lightspeed Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:07:55pm |
Maybe Barbara West should ask Joe Biden about this... ;-)
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:08:57pm |
re: #568 buzzsawmonkey
Leftists love dead Jews. Live ones, not so much.
That's why they constantly weep crocodile tears over the Holocaust--and constantly reference it--while doing everything in their power to lay the groundwork for a repeat.
Quite true.
They also liked it when the world empathized with America about 9/11.
They wanted the U.S. to refrain from fighting back so that Americans could keep feeling the love and not squander it with pesky things like self-defense.
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RedVoter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:09:55pm |
re: #571 Adina in Judea
The McCain/Palin campaign reads Drudge, though, I'm sure.
If the MSM doesn't pick up on this, McCain and Palin will.
Then it will become news (at least on Fox.)
It has a much better chance of getting out there once Drudge and Fox have it.
that is what I am hoping for, as well as some large local media outlets in battleground states like Ohio, PA and Florida.
When it comes to Fox though, it has to go beyond Hannity. Hume, O'Reilly and Greta need to pound it, as do all their midday anchors.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:12:04pm |
re: #574 RedVoter
that is what I am hoping for, as well as some large local media outlets in battleground states like Ohio, PA and Florida.
When it comes to Fox though, it has to go beyond Hannity. Hume, O'Reilly and Greta need to pound it, as do all their midday anchors.
Agreed.
The best thing is when Fox "loops" audio and video excerpts like this over and over and over during the day and all evening.
Even if the rest of the cable news outlets don't pick it up, Fox has the highest ratings so it gets out there.
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RedVoter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:17:19pm |
re: #575 Adina in Judea
Agreed.
The best thing is when Fox "loops" audio and video excerpts like this over and over and over during the day and all evening.
Even if the rest of the cable news outlets don't pick it up, Fox has the highest ratings so it gets out there.
If they pick this up immediately, it will be hard for the campaign's surrogates to spin effectively. Some might even be caught off guard if this some how ends up on Fox and Friends. Just half a day of bad spin by the Obama camp will feed this story for the rest of the election
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:23:36pm |
Considering that Obama and Biden have both been denying that Obama is a socialist or a Marxist, it's huge that he's using the term "redistribution of wealth" (and describing it as a tragedy that it wasn't pursued.)
I really hope this gets all the way out there and fast.
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Lightspeed Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:26:18pm |
re: #576 RedVoter
It will end up on Fox and Friends if Michelle Malkin decides to bring it up. She knows about it and may well do so. I hope she does.
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RedVoter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:27:56pm |
re: #578 Adina in Judea
Considering that Obama and Biden have both been denying that Obama is a socialist or a Marxist, it's huge that he's using the term "redistribution of wealth" (and describing it as a tragedy that it wasn't pursued.)
I really hope this gets all the way out there and fast.
he also seems to be talking about it in the context of reparations for Black Americans. "Economic Justice", "Failure of the Civil Rights Movement" to achieve it, etc. That isn't just redistribution, but selective redistribution.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:33:13pm |
re: #580 RedVoter
he also seems to be talking about it in the context of reparations for Black Americans. "Economic Justice", "Failure of the Civil Rights Movement" to achieve it, etc. That isn't just redistribution, but selective redistribution.
Exactly.
It's would amount to a form of reparations for slavery.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:34:40pm |
When Obama speaks about "change that cost money" in this interview, he must be referring most particularly to the disastrous Kansas City federal court intervention in education.
The court ordered that Missouri must do whatever it takes, at whatever expense, until such time as black scores in KC rose to equal the state average. My brother was working in a rural KC school at the time. They had about 700 dollars per student per year to work with. It was pitiful. Salaries below $10K for teachers, no supplies, little heat, no textbooks, just starvation rations. Meanwhile, KC schools were spending $25K*, then $40K*, per student per year. Then, the judge ordered them to ramp it up to $100K*, because, well, scores hadn't risen at all, much less risen to equality.
(* All figures loose and approximate. Dollars today are much smaller things than they were then, and I don't have written records of the numbers. But the conclusion you'd draw from the real numbers, and these, would be pretty much the same. They're in the spirit of what happened.)
The state appealed, saying that even if they retasked every remaining education dollar from every corner of the state to KC, there still wouldn't be enough, and that the federal courts hadn't the authority to order Missouri to raise taxes to cover the expense. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed, and to boot, they rescinded the whole crazy quilt of orders this judge had decreed. The disparity in expenditure wasn't righted entirely, but some trickle of money did reach the rest of Missouri's schools, while KC had to make do without Olympic Swimming pools in every room, just in case students wanted to take a dip.
Equality of input does not ensure equality of results. Inequality of results is not necessarily the result of inequality of State inputs. Everyone has a right to equal treatment from the state, but if results are unequal, that's just how it went, and not the job of the State to reverse.
As it is, income taxes mitigate the inequality of results in people's earnings. The rich man pays 30,40,+ percent. The middle class pays much less percentagewise, and radically less in dollar amount. The lower middle class pays nothing or close to nothing.
And Obama considers it a tragedy that the federal government hasn't intervened, KC style, in economics, in what must be a vain attempt to equalize personal financial well-being.
Even if you equalized income, some people are better shoppers than others. Some people take better care of what they have. And while it's a lot of fun for a court to drive the state of Missouri to the edge, and all but order the shut-down of all schools outside KC, if the federal government did the same thing to the economy, tax revenue would collapse, society would collapse, and Democrat authority would collapse in a wave of recall elections. We wouldn't even have to wait two years.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:35:10pm |
Also on Drudge now:
Barack Obama on Chicago Public Radio WBEZ-FM, 2001: The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society... and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that... MORE...
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Adina in Judea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:45:28pm |
re: #582 lostlakehiker
And Obama considers it a tragedy that the federal government hasn't intervened, KC style, in economics, in what must be a vain attempt to equalize personal financial well-being.
Even if you equalized income, some people are better shoppers than others. Some people take better care of what they have. And while it's a lot of fun for a court to drive the state of Missouri to the edge, and all but order the shut-down of all schools outside KC, if the federal government did the same thing to the economy, tax revenue would collapse, society would collapse, and Democrat authority would collapse in a wave of recall elections. We wouldn't even have to wait two years.
The vain attempt to equalize financial well-being is something the left has been trying to do for the "Palestinians," too.
Tony Blair (a good guy in Iraq, but a terrible guy when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict) has repeatedly stated along with others that the "Palestinians" must have a "viable" state. The "Palestinians" themselves have said that this state must be exactly as "viable" as Israel.
There's no way to do this. There would have been no way for Israel to have been guaranteed to be a viable state when the UN approved Israel's existence. There would have been no way for any country to guarantee that America would be a viable country after the American Revolution.
It's an artificial prosperity to try to equalize peoples or to try to guarantee a certain level of success for a given people.
This is what Obama intends to do. It will sink America if he's elected and the people he's trying to help will end up like his former constituents in Chicago who still live in the murder capital while buildings fall down around them.
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abolitionist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 11:57:16pm |
re: #529 Mr. Sandman
...not the paranoid scenario you fear of him creating some sort of communist state or something.
See here. The Bill Ayers/Obama Idea Of Education
“Once things were connected,” Ayers’s introduction recollects, “we saw a system at work, we were radicalized, we named that system—imperialism—and forged an idea of how to overthrow it. We were influenced by Marx, but we were formed more closely and precisely by Che, Ho, Malcolm X, Amílcar Cabral, Mandela—the Third World revolutionaries—and we called ourselves small ‘c’ communists...
[snip]Ayers makes clear that his political views haven’t changed much since those glory days.
[snip]In 1997, Ayers and his mentor Maxine Greene persuaded Teachers College Press to launch a series of books on social justice teaching, with Ayers as editor and Greene serving on the editorial board (along with Rashid Khalidi, loyal supporter of the Palestinian cause and the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University). Twelve volumes have appeared so far, including one titled Teaching Science for Social Justice.
[snip]One by one, the education schools are lining up behind social justice teaching and enforcing it on their students—especially since they expect aspiring teachers to possess the approved liberal “dispositions,” or individual character traits, that will qualify them to teach in the public schools. The National Council on the Accreditation of Teacher Education, the main accreditor of education schools, now monitors how well the schools comply with their own social justice requirements…
BHO's role in this? He was executing Ayers' agenda. Obama himself pointed to his position on a philanthropic board --as Chairman of (Ayers') Chicago Annenberg Challenge --as THE executive experience (he argued) that qualifiied him for the presidency.
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FlakMusic Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:03:37am |
CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC...
Apparently they were all too busy rummaging through Sarah Palin's trash to dig this up themselves.
The dereliction of duty, the abdication of responsibility, the complete and utter lack of journalistic objectivity and ethics is mind-boggling.
The MSM is enemy. They are greasing the skids for Obama by allowing the phony, mainstream image projected by his campaign to go unchallenged.
Thank god for that one brave soul in Florida that stuck it to Biden...would that the rest of the media had the balls that woman has.
The fact that this interview is just now showing up on YouTube is more than an indictment of the MSM. It's more damning proof that they're just PR people for the Democrat party.
FBO
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extrabob Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:10:10am |
I'm Karl Marx, and I approve of this message.
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Fierce Guppy Mon, Oct 27, 2008 1:42:18am |
LOL. Very good, extrabob.
I finally found the original broadcast to find out if there was some creative editing involved. No funny business. The show is 53 minutes long and the author focuses on the bits, two bits actually, that are germane to Obama's view on state welfare distribution and the Supreme Court in relation to the Constitution which begin about 39 and 46 minutes into the broadcast. Unfortunately the interview is in RealMedia streaming format (.ram) so you can't download it whole.
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committed Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:28:43am |
Drudgereport has taken down the quote from the tape that was up earlier. It still has the story as the headliner on the page, however. I also checked foxnews.com. The story is up there also.
• Obama: 'Tragedy' Redistribution of Wealth Not Pursued
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committed Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:31:44am |
Fox news also has a report from the Washington Post that the UN wants an Obama presidency.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Obama supporters hail from Russia, Canada, France, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Indonesia and elsewhere. One American employee here seemed puzzled that he was being asked whether Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was even a consideration. "Obama was and is unstoppable," the official said. "Please, God, let him win," he added.
"It would be hard to find anybody, I think, at the U.N. who would not believe that Obama would be a considerable improvement over any other alternative," said William H. Luers, executive director of the United Nations Association. "It's been a bad eight years, and there is a lot of bad feeling over it."
Conservatives who are skeptical of the United Nations said they are not surprised by the political tilt. "The fact is that most conservatives, most Republicans don't worship at the altar in New York, and I think that aggravates them more than anything else," said John R. Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "What they want is the bending of the knee, and they'll get it from an Obama administration."
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Throbert McGee Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:51:16am |
Holy shit. To be honest, all along I've thought that the "Obama is a Marxist" stuff was just hyperbole, but apparently he believes that the U.S. Constitution really should guarantee a Right To A Free Lunch.
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Womball Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:52:15am |
re: #568 buzzsawmonkey
Leftists love dead Jews. Live ones, not so much.
That's why they constantly weep crocodile tears over the Holocaust--and constantly reference it--while doing everything in their power to lay the groundwork for a repeat.
I always thought they referenced it because it was universally considered a bad thing, although they secretly actually do agree with Hitler's fascism.
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Womball Mon, Oct 27, 2008 3:55:29am |
I wonder if this is the only October surprize? Perhaps Khalidi will be revealed before long.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Oct 27, 2008 4:08:32am |
re: #559 Adrenalyn
Sharmuta
well, hugs & kisses to her
or a manly handshake
whichever is appropriate
I would totally give Sharmuta a nice manly BJ, if she had a dick, but since she doesn't, I'll just have to offer the handshake, hugs, and kisses.
(I know I'm being crude, but I am 100% confident that Sharmuta will take it in the right spirit.)
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MJBrutus Mon, Oct 27, 2008 4:27:46am |
re: #20 gmsc
To a lib like the ONE, Article 1, Section 8 just doesn't exist. They read the "general welfare" clause of the preamble as a blank check to do whatever the hell they want. Never mind that the clause is simply part of a statement of purpose of government at all levels. Article 1, Section 8 enumerates just what Congress may do and every law passed that exceeds that authority is illegal!
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redvoter Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:36:04am |
hmmm, as important as I thinkt he story is, I am starting to think that it may not have the legs it should, simply because Obama is so long winded and dull. Even though he is more frank on this issue in this interview than he has been on anything this election, he is still a complete windbag. The media would have to strip it down to it's core meaning while they talk about, and I seriously doubt they will do that considering how damaging that core meaning could be.
we'll see how it plays out as the day goes on.
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redvoter Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:44:19am |
well, Fox and Friends is trying. They are narrowing his argument down saying he basically considers redistribution of wealth as a civil rights issue. He is saying that of course, but more. He's advocating reparations.
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RedSoxNation Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:48:32am |
November 23, 1984....
Six seconds left on the clock. Time for only one more play. Flutie drops back to his own 45. The Eagles receviers race toward the end zone. Flutie is chased out of the pocket. He stops and unloads the ball as far as he can throw it. It sails threw the night air in a perfect spiral. Caught! TOUCHDOWN...Eagles win....Eagles win...
Anyone remember the name of the reciever who caught the ball. It was Gerald Phelan. That sounds an awful lot like Palin.
McCain has time for one more throw. And this is it...
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EricOF Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:51:24am |
No doubt Christopher Buckley feels more comfortable than ever with his endorsement.
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Diane Mon, Oct 27, 2008 5:54:54am |
Obama has never been so clear. - The state over the individual.
CNN should be showered with emails on that one.
Barak Obama is more socialist than Pierre Trudeau. His ideology it is dangerously close to communism.
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RedVoter Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:02:22am |
damn that Fred Thompson married fine. Jeri Thompson, mm mmmm.
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SlothB77 Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:23:07am |
this vid has been spread. obama is a marxist.
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iceman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:38:24am |
This Halloween I am dressing up as Obama and the wife as Pelosi and we will be taking candy OUT of the bags of the kids that have a lot even if they tell us that
"they worked extra hard for the candy by starting early and not talking so much to the home owners and hustling from house to house"
because it is just NOT FAIR that they have so much candy and others so little.
I also will be asking for their names and addresses and names and addresses of all the people they got candy from so I can report them to the IRS so the government can be sure that my neighbors have not exceeded the gift amount and that all taxes are being paid.
Also I will tell them if any of them should die I would want the estate tax to include this valuable asset and make sure that if it was passed on to heirs that all applicable taxes are fairly assessed.
I will saying this loudly and clearly so all the parents can hear.
Since I live in Massachusetts and most of the adults will be voting for Obama then they should not have a problem with it.
Now that will be some scary stuff!
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Diamond Bullet Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:47:56am |
"That's not the Barack Obama I knew." -- Barack Obama
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Montaigne's Cat Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:51:36am |
How can someone who says the Constitution is deeply flawed
take an oath and swear
"to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." ?
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RedVoter Mon, Oct 27, 2008 6:52:56am |
re: #604 iceman
This Halloween I am dressing up as Obama and the wife as Pelosi and we will be taking candy OUT of the bags of the kids that have a lot even if they tell us that
because it is just NOT FAIR that they have so much candy and others so little.I also will be asking for their names and addresses and names and addresses of all the people they got candy from so I can report them to the IRS so the government can be sure that my neighbors have not exceeded the gift amount and that all taxes are being paid.
Also I will tell them if any of them should die I would want the estate tax to include this valuable asset and make sure that if it was passed on to heirs that all applicable taxes are fairly assessed.
I will saying this loudly and clearly so all the parents can hear.
Since I live in Massachusetts and most of the adults will be voting for Obama then they should not have a problem with it.
Now that will be some scary stuff!
that would make a great political ad for this week! except replace pelosi with biden (name recognition) and use Joe the Plumber as the narrator.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:04:26am |
It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
I thought that was one of the main principles of the Constitution.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:33:27am |
Sharmuta, maybe you've heard of the time that someone asked Tallulah Bankhead whether a certain prominent man in her social circle was a homo. To which Ms. Bankhead shrugged and said, "All I know, dahling, is that he's never sucked my cock."
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bill-tb Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:43:01am |
So that's why the bitter clingers and their guns are such a problem.
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iceman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:49:45am |
re: #611 Throbert McGee
Sharmuta, maybe you've heard of the time that someone asked Tallulah Bankhead whether a certain prominent man in her social circle was a homo. To which Ms. Bankhead shrugged and said, "All I know, dahling, is that he's never sucked my cock."
That is hysterical......
I was talking about ayers and obama to a fellow and mentioned ayers' history of which the fellow was ignorant of his response was similar,
well, has Obama ever blown anyone up?
well......whoa ..... that did it....he convinced me.
of what? you figure it out.
I just proofread this on preview before I posted it and it is funnier that I thought
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Ron Shaw Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:50:37am |
Classic Obama!
Uhhh,uhhh,ahh,umm,ahh,uhh redistribution of wealth for African-Americans...um,um,ah,uh,ah,uh the court didn't do enough for us in the area of redistributive uh, ah, um, ah,uhhhh practices ahh, ahhh ummm legislation...ah,ah,um,uh,um,ah,um,uh community organizations from the grass roots in the field working toward uh, uh redistributive ahh,uhhh redistribution of wealth.
What a total Marxist loser! This guy's a complete moron and the MSM absolutely without one iota of doubt not only worship him but the very water he thinks he walks on.
Kool-Aid anyone?
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JimCap Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:52:38am |
This morning at work, I send the link about Obama's radio interview to seven different people I know, four of whom are in my office. Sorry to say that no one cares! They actually laughed at me! And half of these are people who voted for Bush four years ago!
This Obama interview means something to we conservatives. But I'm afraid we're not in the majority on this. Most people have made up their minds and they're not listening anymore.
One guy said to me, "Oh, you right-wingers are always crying wolf about something. What are you gonna call Obama next, a Nazi?"
It's depressing. Look at the polls, even in places like Virginia and North Carolina. Not to mention Ohio and Florida. I have to be a realist here. I knew this would happen as soon as we nominated McCain instead of a real conservative.
I think McCain's goose is cooked. No matter what we do.
How can anyone think that McCain has a ghost of a chance anymore? Sad to say, it's over.
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JimCap Mon, Oct 27, 2008 7:55:50am |
re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Be careful with that "communist" stuff, however, Whenever I've used it against Obama at work, people don't take me seriously.
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iceman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:10:22am |
I am converting the complete 54 minute show from real audio to mp3.
with audio hijack pro ( a great program for stuff you want to rip to your ipod but is not downloadable) and I shall post the download link at noon east coast time.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:11:30am |
re: #611 Throbert McGee
Well- I took your comment as a compliment, Dahling.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:16:32am |
re: #616 JimCap
Be careful with that "communist" stuff, however, Whenever I've used it against Obama at work, people don't take me seriously.
They might after they get a load of this tape.
I've called him a stone cold marxist, and I stand behind that comment now more than ever. Thanks for backing me up, barry!
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iceman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:18:27am |
Oct 27, 2008 8:02 am US/Pacific
Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo
WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.
The mannequin is dressed in brunet wig, glasses and a red business suit. Another mannequin dressed as John McCain emerges from a flaming chimney.
Halloween......game on......NOT..... people show some class. Of course on the other hand..................
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Sunlight Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:43:20am |
What's the oath he'd have to take:
Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
In the audio he is disqualifying himself by saying the CONSTITUTION IS WRONG. He will try to distroy it, making his oath a complete crock.
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ContraJihadi Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:44:15am |
So, we have just heard a sample from Obama's Mein Kampf. Biden tells us that Obama will face a crisis in the first six months. Could he be predicting an Reichstag Fire followed by the assumption of " temporary emergency powers" by the Der Fuehrer "to rectify" the "defects" in the Constitution?
Mach' keine Sorgen, mein Volk. Alles ist in Ordnung.
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Sunlight Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:46:34am |
re: #603 SlothB77
this vid has been spread. obama is a marxist.
And as far as I can tell, many many people either don't care or, as has started dawning on me, they agree with him.
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ContraJihadi Mon, Oct 27, 2008 8:51:47am |
re: #623 Sunlight
And as far as I can tell, many many people either don't care or, as has started dawning on me, they agree with him.
The latter very likely. It is also just dawning on me how pervasively the sentiment of envy is spread throughout the populace.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:04:36am |
re: #619 Sharmuta
They might after they get a load of this tape.
I've called him a stone cold marxist, and I stand behind that comment now more than ever. Thanks for backing me up, barry!
Something I meant to post last night (until I got distracted by an email from Moscow) on the "Biden Gets Grilled" thread: the station said that they "don't ask softball questions." But in a way, the question about Marxism was a softball -- in that Biden could've chosen to point out that Obama's policies are, strictly speaking, a million miles from real Marxism, insofar as the O isn't talking about the abolition of private property, isn't recommending that all the means of production be owned by the state, isn't calling for the elimination of the bourgeoisie, and so forth.
Instead, he got all huffy about the silliness and impertinence of the hostile questions, and then the Democrat campaign compounded the error by taking the Film Actors Guild approach (if you know what I mean) of attacking the reporter's professionalism and announcing that the station was no longer on Obama's Best Friends Forever list.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:09:52am |
re: #624 ContraJihadi
The latter very likely. It is also just dawning on me how pervasively the sentiment of envy is spread throughout the populace.
It's not just envy that's the problem -- there's also the fear of envy, from which springs liberal guilt and do-gooderism.
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iceman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:19:40am |
Downloadable audio as mp3 of 54 minute show from WBEZ Chicago public radio is here
I have found a link to the audio above
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rb4269 Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:23:59am |
The point that needs to be made to voters is this; When Obama talks about spreading the wealth he really means spreading income. Income and wealth are not the same. Income is what you work very hard to get during the course of your work year. Wealth is what the Kennedys have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s wife has. Wealth is what the Obamas and the Boxers and the Corzines and the Feinsteins and the Schumers have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s previous wife had. Wealth is what the Clintons have LOTS of. None of these people are going to have their wealth redistributed to anybody.
They are going to redistribute YOUR income.
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Sunlight Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:25:51am |
re: #628 rb4269
The point that needs to be made to voters is this; When Obama talks about spreading the wealth he really means spreading income. Income and wealth are not the same. Income is what you work very hard to get during the course of your work year. Wealth is what the Kennedys have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s wife has. Wealth is what the Obamas and the Boxers and the Corzines and the Feinsteins and the Schumers have. Wealth is what John Kerry’s previous wife had. Wealth is what the Clintons have LOTS of. None of these people are going to have their wealth redistributed to anybody.
They are going to redistribute YOUR income.
And your 401(k).
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HBob Mon, Oct 27, 2008 9:55:02am |
Anyone notice what's missing from the audio?
The stuttering and stammering of a man on a campaign trail who has to hide his true motives and beliefs.
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Mr. Sandman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:19:57am |
re: #545 thebigolddog
O.K., thanks for the the full radio segment. Just as I suspected, there's nothing radical in what he's saying when his comments are put in context. This is a rather egghead-level discussion, difficult to follow, but the main point is he's not talking about seismic socialistic "redistribution," but rather uses that terminology in a technical sense to mean things like ensuring proper funding for education. Also see
[Link: www.politico.com...]
for clarification.
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Mr. Sandman Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:25:48am |
re: #552 stevieray
re: #552 stevieray
Is that not radical enough for you?
He's simply stating an academic, legalistic opinion. His point in the larger context is that courts are ill-suited to fully promote equality of opportunity, and that the Judicial Branch to be effective in this regard would have to make "radical" rulings to accomplish certain kinds of reform that are naturally (non-radically) better handled by the legislative branch.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 27, 2008 11:34:16am |
re: #633 Mr. Sandman
"...fully promote equality of opportunity.."
Test case: How well has this 'promoting' worked in Chicago? What are the positive results? Why should it be scaled up to a national level without proven positive results?
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sanguinedragon Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:08:01pm |
Im making a first post and although politics has never been high interest priority for me before, this election has me neck deep!
While researching one thing, I found this article from Wallstreet Journal and it shows what Ive been screaming about for sometime. Thought Id share. [Link: online.wsj.com...]
Is the public blind?
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RedVoter Mon, Oct 27, 2008 12:24:36pm |
re: #634 jaunte
"...fully promote equality of opportunity.."
Test case: How well has this 'promoting' worked in Chicago? What are the positive results? Why should it be scaled up to a national level without proven positive results?
It boggles my mind why the McCain campaign has not made this basic argument since the beginng. All this talk of hope and change and a new politics, yet he was a failure on bringing this dream as a community organizer, activist, state senator, United States Senator. He couldn't make a difference in the community he started off in and in fact things got worse as he climbed the political ladder. It's not because he couldn't do it, it's because he is a fraud. He never stood up to corrupt Chicago political patronage and machine politics. He endorsed and helped these people actually. McCain never hit home on that and never showed any ads of the economically depressed and crime filled community Obama was responsible for. He failed at reforming schools when he worked for Ayers (his only executive experience), the schools are worse than ever yet he sends his own children to prestigious private schools while he opposes Real Educational reform like School Vouchers. The man is a compelte fraud.
and Mr. Sandman, listen closely to what Obama is saying, unless you're puposely covering your ears you will hear a man who has disdain for the Constitution as the way it is written because it does not allow for the Federal activism which he desperately wants. He is not saying the courts are "ill-suited" he is saying that they resist his government philosophy. Legislative measures have to be taken in spite of the courts, however, don't think for a second that Obama, with a liberal supermajority in congress, won't appoint judges who agree with his revisionist view of the constitution. and don't be surprised if he tries to use this liberal majority to stack the courts, just like FDR tried, with judges complicit in his reframing of the constitution and the role of Federal government.
He is a long winded gas bag, but this is exactly what he wants to do. wake up.
update: Obama has just cut off interviews with ALL the reporters who work at Barbara West's TV station. They didn't just cut her off, they have just cut off the entire TV network. Besides the reframed constitution, get ready for Obama's version of Pravda too!
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