Obama on the 'Redistribution of Wealth'
Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT
In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.
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Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT
In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:08pm |
Unfit for any office. How is it possible that this person may very well end up President?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:22pm |
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:30pm |
So, I'm guessing Charles has seen the video posted in the last thread?
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:52pm |
Truly unbelievable. But do they care or are they ok with this?
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s.r. Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:24pm |
And in a fair world, this would be front page news WORLD OVER tomorrow... Weather you agree with it or not, it's earth-sneakingly opposite of what the American People want.
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:27pm |
Obama on the 'Redistribution of Other People's Wealth'
There ya go. All fixed.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:35pm |
re: #2 arethusa
No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:02pm |
Holy Hell! And they want to give Sarah Palin a hard time about not understanding the Constitution?!
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:20pm |
The Constitution doesnt say what the Government must do on your behalf? The only thing I want the Government to do is leave me the fuck alone.
FUCK YOU BARRY!
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:28pm |
i sent it to Levin. i dont know how to send to Hillaryclinton forum.
Does Rush have an email?
and should soemthing like this be sent via Drudge?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:37pm |
re: #4 Edouard
RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!
There is just enough time to do it, too. And nobody could plausibly declare this out of bounds.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:50pm |
re: #9 willowone
Me either, but I must say the Dems I am close too (ugh) ARE ok with socialism. Makes my head explode.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:52pm |
If you are making over forty grand a year and you vote for Obama you are insane. If you make less than that and vote for him you are delusional.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:13pm |
Someone needs to archive this video before it gets pulled.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:32pm |
"It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf."
Actually, it covers everything that the government must do on your behalf: Protect your rights by punishing those who initiate force against you. Any more or less, and you're trying to destroy the ideals of the U.S.!
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MAV Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:53pm |
Pray my friends that good will prevail against the evil forces in this world.
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:56pm |
Imagine how people are going to react to hearing this given the way they reacted to what he said to Joe the Plumber. I can't imagine this gut being elected.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:00pm |
re: #16 ArmyWife
I would think they are the ages of my children than!
kids "Mom can ya buy me, What! mow the lawn? "
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noshariaincanada Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:09pm |
I'm sure Hannity will have this up tomorrow.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:34pm |
Bill of NO Rights (An oldie but a goodie)
We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bedwetters.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: That a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of Non Rights.
ARTICLE I -- You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any form of wealth.
More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
ARTICLE II -- You do not have the right to never be offended.
This country is based on freedom, and that means the freedom for everyone, not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be.
ARTICLE III -- You do not have the right to be free from harm.
If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful. Do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
ARTICLE IV -- You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generations of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
ARTICLE V -- You do not have the right to free health care.
That would be nice but, from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in government run health care.
ARTICLE VI -- You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.
ARTICLE VII -- You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen TV or a life of leisure.
ARTICLE VIII -- You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience.
We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight, if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.
ARTICLE IX -- You don't have the right to a job.
All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
ARTICLE X -- You do not have the right to happiness.
Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
If you agree that a understanding of no rights is necessary to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty," I strongly urge you to refer this to as many people as you can, or link it from your own webpages. No, you don't HAVE to .... Nothing tragic will befall you should you NOT refer it. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to re-emerge in our society and flourish again. Thank you!
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:51pm |
0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:05pm |
Money get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're ok
Money,it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hans and make a stash
new car,caviar,four star daydream
think i'll buy me a football team
money get away
i'm alright Jack keep your hands off my stack
money it's a hit
don't give me that do goody good bullshit
i'm in the hi-fidelity first class travelling set
and i think i need a Lear jet
money,it's a crime
share it fairly,but don't take a slice of my pie
money,so they say
is the root of all evil today
but if you ask for a rise it's no a surprise that they're giving none away
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:03pm |
Reposted from the previous thread:
At the end of the movie, Three Days of the Condor, Robert Redford tells Cliff Robertson that he (Redford) gave to the NY Times the story of how a renegade CIA officer conconcted a plot that led to the murder of seven or eight people. Robertson replied "How do you know they'll publish it?" Not unlike the media's love affair with Obama.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:25pm |
But we can't tell that 0bama said this because this is audio- we don't actually see this coming out of his mouth.
/JustMyView mode off
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rightside Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:12pm |
re: #2 arethusa
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:13pm |
This is what a leftist intellectual sounds like when they preach to the choir. Frightening
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:20pm |
I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:33pm |
If you spread that bullshit around you could cover an acre.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:48pm |
re: #23 willowone
Sadly, they are the ages of my parents in law.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:58pm |
i wish i knew how to snapshot things, save Videos. all these things that i should know.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:01pm |
re: #2 arethusa
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
$400k.
Plus expenses.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:44pm |
re: #34 ArmyWife
nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:56pm |
re: #32 rightside
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
That's the spirit!
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:06pm |
No surprise here.
I would venture to guess alot of Obama voters would agree with the whole idea of 'redistribution of wealth' its what the whole punitive 'tax on the rich' / 'windfall profit tax' is all about.
I always wonder if Obama and Buffett are such big fans of the Government controlling the money why don't they give the IRS some extra checks every year?
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:11pm |
re: #27 jetprop
0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:25pm |
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
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zenren Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:00pm |
Legislating the redistribution of wealth sure sounds like socialism to me. It is un-fricking-believable that this guy is possibly about to win POTUS.
Sometimes I think I am living in bizzarro world. WAKE UP AMERICA!
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LEGION Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:19pm |
Channeling Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle--Surprise Surprise Surprise!
Mainstream Media will not tell just like the LA Times- so what else is new? The Fifth estate took over the 4th estate (the media) and they may have won. Just keep repeating- Bradley effect Bradley effect!
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:32pm |
Here's a tool for anyone who is afraid this will get 'scrubbed'
Just put in the url of the video and download it on your hard drive.
[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
It doesn't, which is why it opens the Bill of NO Rights (Rights you don't have, in other words)
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:00pm |
re: #45 willowone
Unless your children are in their mid to late 60s, they aren't your children's age. The ones I am talking about are my age (37, so think 35-40) and my parents in law, (60-70 age bracket).
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:15pm |
Would not Obama's approach be stealing?
It certainly has no freedom in it.
I cannot believe that the citizens of this country would vote this man in.
He will wreck us by penalizing productivity and rewarding slack.
We will get less productivity and more slack.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:22pm |
Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:27pm |
Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.
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sngnsgt Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:38pm |
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:46pm |
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:50pm |
re: #50 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, he's got to make back some of the billion dollars he spent to get there.
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:54pm |
I just buzzed this on Yahoo. I hope others will help it gain votes.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:20pm |
re: #11 ArmyWife
No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.
I think the common spelling is "Grand Poobah!"
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:29pm |
re: #32 rightside
$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.
I dunno, it's not much in NBA terms, but what would you have in mind? Remember, it includes meals, health care, and access to Camp David.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:39pm |
re: #40 willowone
nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?
They'll use it. This'll be on The O'Reilly Factor by Tuesday. And it'll cost Obama a full point in the polls at least.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:40pm |
re: #59 pablito
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
It's "economic justice" doncha know.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:52pm |
re: #49 middlecon
ty, i really need to do this type of thing to help.
thanks for a skill.
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StinkHammer Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:53pm |
Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.”
But he's not a Socialist, 'cause Warren Buffet supports him.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:54pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
Chump change for the position...
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:59pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
(cursing) WHO is he selling out to, raising this amount of cash!
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rightside Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:02pm |
re: #41 arethusa
Hell, once you are elected to the house, you get a lifelong pension, IIRC. Two year term, and we pay for the rest of our lives.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:06pm |
And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.
Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!
And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.
But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:12pm |
What a genius Obama is! He's got it all figured out. Just take money from one person and give it to another. Such originality. I am sure no one has ever thought of THAT one before.
Sheesh...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:15pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
There is still a possibility that all that cash investment will have no return.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:16pm |
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:21pm |
I have it downloaded and saved, in case it gets removed.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:30pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
And how much of it came from - er - questionable Mideast sources via credit card?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:56pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Like father, like son. His father's thoughts on economics read were much the same. Reds, both of them Reds.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:09pm |
re: #67 jaunte
I don't think he knows, I think he is monumentally stupid.
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:10pm |
re: #43 nyc redneck
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
LOL.that or trying to sound intellectual, I presume..or it's that hypnotist thingy :-)
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:22pm |
There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.
But, the whole is WONDERFUL.
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pablito Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:38pm |
re: #66 pablito
It's "economic justice" doncha know.
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
He and Michelle are going to wipe their arses with the Constitution.
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:40pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:43pm |
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:45pm |
re: #34 ArmyWife
I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.
LOL!
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Charles Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:49pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
Yes, that's what you heard.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm |
re: #73 Sharmuta
And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.
Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!
And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.
But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?
OK, this audio simply has to become part of the campaign.
Would someone who's a touch typist please transcribe?
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm |
44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?
That's easy:
Redistributing wealth and "reparations" will establish "social justice", insure domestic Tranquility by forestalling rioting in the streets and promote underserved welfare, among other benefits.
//
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:27pm |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:34pm |
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:46pm |
re: #83 MandyManners
There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.
But, the whole is WONDERFUL.
Trivial shit but, it still bugs me. I'm not saying I'm perfect but, I don't put up an ad on YouTube.
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Alouette Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:48pm |
re: #61 buzzsawmonkey
One
Billion
Dollars
has been spent to put this man in the White House.
Soros can't be POTUS, so he's buying himself one.
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Penguinchic Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:57pm |
You do know that he also plans on having those who make over $250,000 return the tax cuts that they received for the last eight years because it is only fair.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:13pm |
Saving for Greatness
by Luke Setzer
Your savings, believe it or not, affect the way you stand, the way you walk, the tone of your voice -- in short, your physical well-being and self-confidence. A man without savings is always running. He must. He must take the first job offered, or nearly so. He sits nervously on life’s chairs because any small emergency throws him into the hands of others.
Without savings, a man must be too grateful. Gratitude is a fine thing in its place. But a constant state of gratitude is a horrible place in which to live. A man with savings can walk tall. He may appraise opportunities in a relaxed way, have time for judicious estimates and not be rushed by economic necessity.
A man with savings can afford to resign from his job if his principles so dictate -- and for this reason he will never need to do so. A man who can afford to quit is much more useful to his company and therefore more readily promoted. He can afford to give his company the benefit of his most candid judgments.
A man with savings can afford the wonderful privilege of being generous in family or neighborhood emergencies. He can take the level stare of any man ... friend, stranger or enemy. That ability shapes his personality and character.
The ability to save has nothing to do with the size of income. Many high-income people spend it all. They are on a treadmill, darting through life like minnows.
The dean of American bankers, J.P. Morgan, once advised a young broker: "Take waste out of your spending; you’ll drive the haste out of your life."
If you do not need money for college, a home or retirement, then save for self-confidence. The state of your savings does have a lot to do with how tall you walk.
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wolfie Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:20pm |
re: #59 pablito
He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.
Spread that wealth around!
YES ! Social justice!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:23pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
For the One Government IS G-d.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:26pm |
To that insipid little tune,
"Barak is going to bleed us...."
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:29pm |
re: #48 LEGION
Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.
That'll kinda be hard to keep up, once he's President and all that. His Presidency is already a disaster, and he's not even been elected yet.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:35pm |
re: #88 Charles
I find it hard not to let loose a string of curse words on hearing that...
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:37pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
He might understand it but, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT.
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Pepper Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm |
I want my constitutionally enumerated negative rights upheld by the courts of economic justice. It is only fair.
/sarc
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm |
re: #85 razorbacker
When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.
Then the Dems are certainly fishing for a master fish.
;)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:11pm |
re: #98 Syrah
He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:25pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Yes.
Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:26pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope. Its automatic when in that position - even if he couldn't get one if he applied to be a janitor as NSA.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:39pm |
ok, it's downloading, now i'll have to learn how to retrieve it.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:48pm |
re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans
There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".
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middlecon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:55pm |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?
I think I've heard before that elected officials don't have to be approved for security clearances?
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:21pm |
Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?
'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:32pm |
Obama said,
"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm |
re: #113 Ojoe
There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".
Obama is the Messiah, after all.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:42pm |
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
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LEGION Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:49pm |
If he wins and raises the taxes I ain't paying- come and get me! Have most of the nation join in and watch the laws change retroactively! Get impeachment proceedings ready for him.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:53pm |
Under Obamunism, the only question is it there will be blood or there may be blood. Only Obamunist Democrats believe the may part. They are fantasist's.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:58pm |
re: #71 Ojoe
The point of militant socialism is to ruin the country. THEN to reshape it in the fashion they want. Google the Cloward-Piven Strategy for details (for one, as posted on American Thinker).
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:00pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
He was saying it like was a bad thing that the Constitution defined what the Government wasn't supposed to do to you.
I knew he was a commie rat bastard, but this is just... enough. Too much. I hope I hear a lot about this tomorrow.
Sure as hell I'll be talking about it.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:01pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D
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Colin Nelson Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:03pm |
A brilliant find.
This might just do it.
So, if the dems take the house and the senate and the WH, then, the change in legislation that Barry Hussein favours over using the courts will be a piece of cake...
But, but, but, I was only eight years old when Ayers was doing those awful things and besides, I thought he had been rehabilitated
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:15pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not a requirement for being elected POTUS
Yes, I know. It's for a personal argument. I figure you guys would be able to help me out. Here's what the guy said:
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@ Matrix: if Obama were really a person with proven clear ill intent towards the United States, I'd doubt the FBI and/or Secret Service would let him anywhere near the Capitol Building when he went to report to work every day. Security in national government buildings in DC has tightened considerably since 9/11, and I'd doubt they'd let someone with strong ties to terrorism walk in and out of any major executive building unchecked, let alone work as a United States senator in the Capitol building. Beyond that though, a hypothetical question: suppose Obama is elected. What are the consequences of that, in your honest opinion, specifically with regard to the things you've been posting?
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MandyManners Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:21pm |
re: #115 erisldysnomia
Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?
'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.
Will YouTube yank it?
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:23pm |
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:30pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
I doubt that he fails to understand the point, he just wants to change it.
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:40pm |
re: #103 Iron Fist
Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.
Truly true, and truly amazing.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:46pm |
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:47pm |
This is the bit that jumped out at me:
...and to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
Translation: you're too stupid to know how to take care of yourself, so we're going to do it for you. Whether you like it or not.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:52pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
Obama said,
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
Pessimistic?!? The negative liberties were the whole idea! America's major fight for the past 200+years has been to try and keep it that way!
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:56pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Gee, kinda hard not to get the impression that he doesn't like the Constitution.
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:07pm |
re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond
I can understand Communism in Hawaii. Before Capt. Cook, there was a King, and the King owned everything, even your own person. if you owned something it was because the King allowed it.
Not that far removed from Communism, when you ponder it a bit.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm |
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm |
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:47pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
If they do, I think enough people have archived it and will put it on available servers.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:54pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
I've got it saved and ready to repost at YouTube and many other numerous sites if that happens.
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:57pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
State Senator
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:04pm |
re: #134 Fat Jolly Penguin
Thi9s is for your own good, so you might as well relax and enjoy the ride...
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:08pm |
re: #2 arethusa
So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.
$400K now...
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erisldysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:10pm |
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Jimash Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:15pm |
Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.
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guzziguy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:23pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
State of Ill. senate.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:25pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
That may be his term as ILL Senator, not U.S. Senator.
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talon_262 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:30pm |
re: #128 swamprat
I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?
He was an Illinois state senator before being elected to the US Senate in 2004.
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm |
obama is literally trying to buy the presidency. he is in all the swing states boring the hell out of people w/ 24/7 propaganda.
that could back fire on him big time. just imagine hearing his bs night and day non stop.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Let's make this go viral.
The virus isn't the video though, it's Obama. < Agent Smith > Barack Obama is a disease. And we... are the cure. < /Agent Smith >
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:00pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
Obama said,
"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:07pm |
re: #140 SeafoodGumbo
I don't see the video. Anyone else?
It is a recording of a radio broadcast. Did you hear it?
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Dalibama Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:15pm |
No wonder they have encouraged early voting.
Why is it that I don't think all the billionaires around Obama will be redistributing their wealth?
This audio apparently has been on the website for a while. What happened to opposition research?
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:19pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.
He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!
But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:48pm |
How's this YouTube piece doing on the social networking sites?
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razorbacker Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:08pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
Shocking? The American people think that they're (we're) too well insulated to get a shock.
Experience is a harsh teacher, but effective.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:12pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:13pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
Let's make this go viral.
Yes- Lizards- give this post a Buzz at yahoo and use the "Share This" feature.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:18pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.
Uh, he's been mentioning it all over the place. In fact, a member of the Kansas City Star editorial board decided he didn't like it, so he announced that socialism is a code word for black.
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Defogger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:27pm |
I heard this somewhere, once before. Nevertheless, it will never make the MSM.
What bothers me is that this is going to be a close election.
It. Should. Not. Be. Close.
Doesn't ANYONE (other than a Lizard) understand our Constitution anymore?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:35pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
Let them. I have it downloading now and I'll re-up it if they take it down, with full credit to the original author of course.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:44pm |
re: #99 gmsc
Thank you .I am sending a copy to my son, who never met a dime he didn't want to spend.
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wolfie Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:27pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
That won't stop him from swearing to uphold it.
Not for a minute.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:28pm |
This is looking less like an election and more like a media led coup de tat with an aim towards sizing power and doing away with the constitution as we know it.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:41pm |
re: #161 Tigger2005
Because Marx was really a black man? Hey, it worked for Billy Jeff...
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:44pm |
re: #147 Jimash
Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.
I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).
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oh_dude Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:49pm |
Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."
(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:52pm |
re: #127 MandyManners
Will YouTube yank it?
No, there is nothing to object to in this. They may review it, but I would expect them to leave it up.
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SeafoodGumbo Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:02pm |
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Idle Drifter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:40pm |
re: #76 Van Helsing
Holy shit!
Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?
Is that what I heard?
Destroy the Constitution then rape the Nation to fulfill a twisted sense of social justice doesn't exactly build bridges unless the primary building materials are matches, kerosene and TNT. Barak Obama thinks the ends justifies the means.
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:01pm |
This audio was scrubbed from wbez website I believe ......when I was looking around some time ago I saw an audio of Ayers and another professor on the wbez website in the archives of google .....there was one of Senator Government but it was taken out of the archives ..... wonder how this person got the audio ...... there must be some in Chicago who do not want this guy elected ......now if only they would come up with more .......here is where it was and you cannot access it now .....
[Link: web.archive.org...]
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:04pm |
re: #135 gmsc
The BOR is concerned with that but in there it doesn't distinguish what the things the States can't do to you as opposed to what the Feds can't do to you. Your rights are inalienable. Its not as if some can be violated by the Feds and others only by the States. Thats my point. And BTW, the bulk of the Constitution was concerned with the sharing of power between the States and the Federal Government.
And it was summed up in the 10th amendment which says..
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
I think that is what Obama was confused about trying to inject the 10th amendment into the civil rights discussion.
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:30pm |
Obama desires a USSA-United Socialist States of America.
"Mr. Obama, tear down these walls."
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Typicalwhitey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:47pm |
SNIP:
I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.
She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:11pm |
I'm going to flog this link again, to Stanley Kurtz' fine piece on Obama's early political career. It helps illuminate some of the themes dramatized in this tape.
Kurtz:
"Obama's overarching political program can be described as "incremental radicalism."
...
"Fundamentally, he is a big-government redistributionist who wants above all to aid the poor, particularly the African-American poor. Obama is eager to do so both through race-specific programs and through broad-based social-welfare legislation. "Living wage" legislation may be economically counterproductive, and Obama-backed housing experiments may have ended disastrously, yet Obama is committed to large-scale government solutions to the problem of poverty. Obama's early campaigns are filled with declarations of his sense of mission-a mission rooted in his community organizing days and manifest in his early legislative battles."
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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tradewind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:19pm |
O/T to a minor degree, but did anyone see MTP this morning and come away with the feeling that Tom Brokaw is really going to vote for McCain?
There was just something about the end of the interview, a tone...... it made me feel as if he was pulling for him.
So not NBC of him, and he was careful not to let it show, he thought... but in the middle of the palpable bias of his colleagues, there was just something different about the way he approached McCain.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:21pm |
Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:23pm |
re: #159 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.
That's right. How unwashed of me.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:31pm |
re: #170 oh_dude
Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."
(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)
Brady Bunch reference . . . YES
Obscure . . . NO
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:37pm |
Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:45pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:59pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:43pm |
re: #178 Typicalwhitey
I'll just ignore all polls, thank you very much. Why waste skull sweat trying to refine dross and dreck? :)
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:51pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.
Cheer up Kilgore.
There will be plenty of time for long faced hopelessness after the riots, recounts and lawsuits.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:53pm |
re: #181 MrPaulRevere
Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
No. No, it's not just you.
Social justice should do it for you, too.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:02pm |
re: #186 n in wi
Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?
Why not? He hates living and breathing babies from botched abortions.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:03pm |
Put a McCain/Palin 08 sign on your front lawn.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:10pm |
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:41pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!
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Alouette Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:44pm |
TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:56pm |
Punished with a baby government whose powers are restricted.
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alien_mind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:21pm |
he starts by talking about how the success of the civil rights movement did not go to the extent of addressing economic injustice. when he and the caller start talking about legislation to address reparative issues, I believe they mean reparations for African-Americans, and not so much as a socialism-for-all mindset that he seems to be pursuing now. in either case its wrong, just an observation.
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:27pm |
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:43pm |
Just notice all the things from the preamble to the Constitution that he is ignoring:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Items in bold are things that Mr. Constitutional Law Lecturer is clearly ignoring. It comes from the people, not the courts. The actions described in the document are so determined by the people to create a better union, establish justice, etc. The common defense is handled by the government. The welfare of which it speaks is a general welfare, not a redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have nots.
It's amazing how he can read the same document as us and come up with diametrically opposite views. But then again, he wants to ignore this document.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:45pm |
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tradewind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:52pm |
re: #186 n in wi
'Living breathing ' is moonbat speak for ' creeping and encroaching '.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:54pm |
re: #198 Alouette
Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?
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Palandine Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:55pm |
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):
Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.
Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.
...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:18pm |
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:22pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
I get the part about negative liberties, I was pointing out how the words..
It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."
And I don't see the Constitution quite like that. That leads one to believe that certain individual rights are State-granted and others are Federally granted. That misses the whole point. Your rights are inalienable. Neither the State Government nor the Federal Government granted them to you.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:41pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.
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OldLineTexan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:59pm |
re: #119 Sharmuta
Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.
Oh, he understands. That's why it has to go.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:35pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I've re-read those recently myself.
Prescient, wasn't she?
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:01pm |
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:09pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.
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Promethea Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:19pm |
re: #56 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.
I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:32pm |
re: #198 Alouette
wow
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way
So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:33pm |
re: #131 wolfie
I don't want to think anyone could be that bad.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:36pm |
Though I'm but a mere college student, I plan to be successful once I'm done here, and God willing maybe even earn more than the magical $250k/year (gasp).
I intend to do this on my own merits and without any gummint aid. And when I do, I fully intend to enjoy the fruits of my labors.
Maybe that sounds boastful or haughty-but it's not supposed to be. What I'm trying to say is, when I hear "Redistribution of Wealth" all I can see it as is "Redistribution of my Potential."
I don't know how so many of my peers could see it otherwise, particularly any of those with drive or ambition. I guess my parents just raised me well.
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:48pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
The prolonged existance of Geraldo truly is a serious intergalactic crisis.
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Jimash Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:50pm |
re: #169 Racer X
I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).
Fortunately I am used to not having any money.
But after hearing Senator Obama's words, I actually fear for my "stuff".
You can scoff, but I like my stuff.
The point about the negative rights creating a wide vista of liberty as
opposed to a delineation of rights that lock you in a box, works for me.
Thank you Buzz, etc.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:53pm |
Radical Economic Change and Halloween is on Friday...Fright Night!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:01pm |
Jeez, I crack open the laptop tonight.. "let's see what's going on in the world". Right there on the front page of LGF is my worst nightmare. A quote from a guy who isn't just ignorant, or naive.. a guy who has the background to know the complexities of the question of The Wealth of Nations. And he does not believe in it. And he has the law background to put it into the proper context in the American judicial history. And, who is being carried by the msm mosh pit to the presidency. And if he makes it to the stage, he will stand there along side Pelosi and Reid - all three branches. All old enough to know better, and all willing to do what they'll do anyways.
I hope everyone in the swing states watch the Obama channel. And I hope they understand how insane it all is.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:16pm |
re: #198 Alouette
TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.
Reading it makes it even more scary.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:19pm |
re: #191 Syrah
Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?
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Dasher Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:32pm |
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:55pm |
re: #222 FortunateSon
Actually you want the magic 125K as long as it's just you. The 250K number, I believe, is for couples filing jointly.
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Racer X Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:05pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.
Oh noes!
This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!
Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:06pm |
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm |
re: #210 Mich-again
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm |
re: #217 n in wi
Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.
months,not moths
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Killer Tomato Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:06pm |
In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm |
re: #216 doriangrey
yep! as in "Oh, please, Geraldo. This is SO not an international crisis".
How do I know? My husband is still downstairs - not on post taking care of bizz- ness, not packing, but surfing the net.
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doriangrey Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm |
re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans
For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.
Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:22pm |
re: #236 n in wi
"months,not moths"
I was enjoying a mental image of Biden in a Silence of the Lambs poster.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:29pm |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
It's in the Constitution that they will be compensated. They are, of course, allowed to waive that compensation anytime they wish, but they don't.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:32pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):
Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.
Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.
...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.
A couple of videos and audios you might enjoy:
Anthem (audio reading of a shorter work with a similar theme, also by Ayn Rand)
"This is John Galt speaking...": This is a series of videos of John Galt's speech at the climax of the book. You might want to save this for later, so as not to spoil your enjoyment of Atlas Shrugged.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:42pm |
re: #202 doriangrey
Everything is a major crisis to Geraldo. He's pissed that hurricane season is over.
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:44pm |
re: #153 Sharmuta
No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.
I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.
You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!
We the People will not go quietly !
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:57pm |
re: #229 Dasher
Something is saying "You are not it, ArmyWife"
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:16pm |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.
I read somewhere that Pelosi plans to pass a Congressional pay raise after the election. (As well as a host of other needless things.)
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Fearless Fred Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:20pm |
re: #5 ArmyWife
My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.
Fred
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:24pm |
re: #233 Racer X
Oh noes!
This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!
Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.
Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?
Wake the hell UP!
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alien_mind Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:25pm |
that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.
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Charles Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:33pm |
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:47pm |
re: #242 jaunte
It puts the lotion on its skin. It does this, or it will get the hose! Yes, precious, it will get the hose!
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:52pm |
re: #215 Van Helsing
Are you the same Van Helsing who runs the 'moonbattery' site? If so you do great work.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:57pm |
re: #237 buzzsawmonkey
Bounty is paid for left front foreleg only.
No, then we might end paying them welfare for their disability. For the men, let's take their balls. If they riot for Obama, they shouldn't be reproducing.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:08pm |
re: #236 n in wi
months,not moths
With Biden anything he says tends to draw flies so why not a few moths? ;)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:09pm |
You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:10pm |
re: #252 Charles
On my site, sent to friends, shared with FB.
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:11pm |
re: #235 Sharmuta
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
Hi Sharmuta, hope you're doing well. It seems now like he understands it, and still thinks it's Wrong, All Wrong. He says "reinterpretation" - that doesn't mean we were interpreting it wrong the whole time.. it means he wants to use maneuvering and bullying to have the interpretation changed.
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womball Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:16pm |
Ooh you did make this a topic! I hope the media is forced to whitewash this too.
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rawmuse Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:38pm |
re: #229 Dasher
Conyers will put the Slavery Reparations bill up for a vote this coming session, just like he does every session. This time may be the magic BB.
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:40pm |
re: #223 Quad Mocha Matti
If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!
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Quad Mocha Matti Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:41pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.
CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:58pm |
re: #41 arethusa
That's the spirit!
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
Hey, the country could always go broke and not have the $169K/year.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:03pm |
re: #252 Charles
I've emailed it to every blog I read and Drudge.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:38pm |
re: #208 Palandine
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.
Watch out for that stuff, it'll put hair on your palms.
But yeah, there is nothing new under the sun.
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:44pm |
re: #260 womball
The sad thing is that they will whitewash this. You mustn't speak ill of the Obamessiah.
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MarkX Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:45pm |
re: #251 alien_mind
that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.
Nah, just a typical public radio listener, a sycophant.
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shanec99 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:59pm |
re: #43 nyc redneck
what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?
If he were he would be following the footsteps of a great American President (George Washington).
George and he have nothing in common.
Not service to the nation (Washington served our nation in uniform during a time of peril, Obama accuses our military of atrocities while they are confronting the enemy on the battle field).
Not in who his associates are (George Washington's asoociates were Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Ben Franklyn... Obama's associates are Ayers, Wright and various other terrorists and racists).
Not resisting our enemies foreign and domestic.
Not believing in the principle of the sanctity of private property.
and not especially honesty (George Washington was known for his honesty... need we continue?)
NOTHING.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:10pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've added it to StumbleUpon. Anyone stumbling with the tags economics, politics, socialism, video, obama, republican, or democrat will see it.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:11pm |
re: #246 mama winger
Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've been around this site for a little while now, Charles. This is the first time I've seen you make these kinds of entreaties. I agree with you, of course. It's coming close to D-Day. And it's serious stuff.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm |
re: #246 mama winger
You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!
We the People will not go quietly !
He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".
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SlapLeather Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:32pm |
This is the emerging rebuttal:
"Redistributive justice and redistribution of wealth are two different things. As a not so minor example. In MA the state legislature decided that renters should be able to deduct a percentage of their annual rent in lieu of mortgage deductions such as home owners get automatically. That's redistributive justice."
keep the change
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:42pm |
re: #257 TheMatrix31
You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.
A transcript is either the exact words as spoken, or it might as well never see the light of day. People have trouble understanding the issue involved should have someone handy to explain what they don't understand.
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:46pm |
re: #271 Sharmuta
Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.
That is clear- you do wonderful posts!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:58pm |
re: #263 Quad Mocha Matti
CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"
Indeed. That is a very good amendment to the title.
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The Archivist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:06pm |
re: #197 Quad Mocha Matti
...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!
Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:22pm |
re: #229 Dasher
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:34pm |
re: #41 arethusa
BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.
Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:39pm |
re: #254 MrPaulRevere
No. I didn't realize I had poached someone else's nic.
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DisturbedEma Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:04pm |
re: #280 The Archivist
Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"
We love Zombie here!
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:05pm |
re: #235 Sharmuta
That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
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Griffon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:09pm |
re: #58 nyc redneck
this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.
Is this a joke?
/Channeling Joe Biden
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:34pm |
THIS is why I really can't stand early voting. You vote before all the information has been located.
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yochanan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:39pm |
we need a over 21 thread so i can really say what i think about obama's circle jerk media and the un-natural acts they are doing to his spinkter.
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gymnast Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:40pm |
re: #179 jaunte
Thank you for re-posting that important document for those who may not have seen it.
I grew up in Hyde Park, delivered the Hyde Park Herald, and in the years after World War 2, watched the neighborhood turn into shit. Berkley is a "communist kindergarten" compared to Hyde Park. By the time I left the place in the late 50s the term "white Negro's" was a well know local term to describe whites who had adopted black culture. Jeff Fort was on the way up and Jesse Jackson was "hanging around" at 57th and Woodlawn. Elijah Muhammad had had taken over the Jewish Temple on 54th and Ellis (Muhammed's Temple Of Islam #2) though the Star of David remained at least until 1960, and it was not that unusual to see "Red" going in on occasion.
A neighborhood kid even eventually became the head of the Chicago PD gang unit. Ironic in a way.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:41pm |
re: #228 Iron Fist
Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?
Well . . .
I think I would advise against that ever so cautiously.
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm |
You know there is so much out there in Chicago ......but they have scrubbed as much as they could ......why was this audio scrubbed on wbez when there are so many that are still there on the same page of the archives ....
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm |
i sent to wftvnews (the woman that asked Biden questions)
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:59pm |
re: #241 doriangrey
Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.
Nah. This is just another day in the WOT. Some things just can't wait for an election.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:06pm |
re: #232 arethusa
Ah, in that case disregard everything I said.
Obama/Biden'08!
/sarcasm
The goal driving me forward (no impending puns intended) is to own a 1935 Duesenberg SJ at some point in my life. I'm pretty sure whatever income owning and maintaining a magnificent four-wheeled supercharged stallion such as that demands would put me in the class that would suffer the most wealth redistribution.
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:08pm |
re: #27 jetprop
it's from his nose restructuring. I can't stand listening to his ideology!
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:09pm |
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:13pm |
re: #271 Sharmuta
And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.
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Paul Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:25pm |
Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.
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Pepper Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:37pm |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
Providing security from immediate threat or investigating direct action is an obvious role.
The elected officials background is used for certain committee positions. There is nothing security, or FBI can do to stop subversion of the officials office or the abuse of the access to information. We can only trust that this will not happen. Unless an overt act occurs usually it is a difficult issue to mete out justice. After all, the Federal agencies fall under the Executive, and The Separation of Powers argument applies.
We have had members of Congress commit acts which can be construed as treasonous. Sedition and treason are well within the scope of law but rarely prosecuted, similar to perjury in many court cases. The Congress is supposed to be self-policing in this area.
Many times unauthorized discussions have occurred between elected officials and foreign entities. Sometimes military operations been revealed jeopardizing soldiers directly, intelligence operations are exposed by officials either misspeaking, leaking, or in some cases overtly. What is interesting is an Federal employee either civilian or military would be prosecuted.
We do have subversive members in our government in both elected and civilian roles. Elected officials for some reason garner extreme latitude. Sometimes it is well intended foolishness in other cases, it is not.
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DM Glampers Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:38pm |
I actually have high hopes for this to make a difference.
Only the fully indoctrinated could hear The One speak this way and not realize that this is not the change they expected
/Fingers crossed
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:50pm |
re: #229 Dasher
I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.
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Syrah Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:00pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
Buzzed and Drudged.
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swamprat Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:30pm |
re: #262 swamprat
If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!
This just in: ...Wife says he's not even a George Bush!
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DM Glampers Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:51pm |
For luck, not 'cause I'm channeling a dem.re: #302 DM Glampers
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:11pm |
re: #285 Mich-again
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:12pm |
re: #282 itellu3times
Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?
Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.
Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:30pm |
re: #250 DisturbedEma
Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?
Wake the hell UP!
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:12pm |
re: #303 thebigolddog
I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.
Yes, as if the only people who needed economic redistribution were black folks. You know, there really is no such thing as a poor white person.
/(just to be completely obvious)
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arethusa Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:21pm |
re: #295 FortunateSon
Was just sayin', you'll get there sooner than you thought, probably.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:24pm |
re: #307 Sharmuta
Digg it, Folks.
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:44pm |
re: #300 Paul
Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.
Even better - if you can get enough people like Oprah and Spike Lee, who are rich as hell and influential will a ton of other rich people, you can put together enough money to buy the press. And then you can brainwash people that otherwise had the self-respect to believe the didn't need other people's money given to them.
But then November 4th comes, we look in the dictionary, and his definition turns out to be false.
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yochanan Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:51pm |
re: #185 Quad Mocha Matti
Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least
2x3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.
TONGUE PLANTED BETWEEN WHICH PAIR OF CHEEKS? we know were the MSM tounge is.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:55pm |
re: #310 arethusa
Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.
Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?
We can hold a car wash and cookie sale every weekend.
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thebigolddog Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:11pm |
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:31pm |
re: #315 vxbush
What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:41pm |
re: #274 Van Helsing
He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".
Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.
I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:01pm |
re: #285 Mich-again
Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.
Even as "difficult" and as "long" as the word "inalienable" is, it's an important part of our founding.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:20pm |
re: #317 gmsc
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.
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itellu3times Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm |
re: #313 dentate
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.
I think most American Jews see some connection with Israel, but remember, plenty of Jews in Israel support Peace Now and other suicidal idiocies.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm |
re: #298 MrPaulRevere
And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.
The constitution is whatever the SCOTUS says it is...
The real battleground for the future is there...whomever sits there judges our fate.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:42pm |
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Iron Fist Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:35pm |
re: #324 mama winger
I wasn't ever a Marine, but I did work as Civillian Attached Personnel my senior year of high school. I took the oath, too. All enemies foreign and domestic...
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:45pm |
re: #323 Iron Fist
What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?
See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.
It's all so stupid.
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:46pm |
re: #316 arethusa
Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:54pm |
re: #249 Fearless Fred
My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.
Fred
That was my thought. All of us lizardoids are shocked and horrified, but there are a lot out there who hear this and say, "Hey, I want me some of that!"
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:56pm |
re: #313 dentate
Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen.
So, nu, what was the consensus?
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Yankee Division Son Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:08pm |
I posted this a few threads ago...
1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered
Obama admits his Redistribution of Wealth is to SAVE the African American community SO HE CAN ENSURE HIS OWN SALVATION! (and Our Countries Salvation) He compares the plight of African Americas to the ethic genocide's of Bosnia and Africa. He blames all of African American's problems on "ONE GROUP" who suppresses them. And He says WHITE people don't want their taxes to help black children.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:21pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:28pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
Proposes to stop the sea from rising - check.
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm |
re: #229 Dasher
My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?
I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:41pm |
re: #330 Tigger2005
Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)
I'm participating in a political event not in KC next weekend.
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Soona' Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:47pm |
re: #309 Sharmuta
I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.
Non-existant is the word I'd use.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:18pm |
re: #333 FortunateSon
Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.
You a "Dapper Dan" man?
Loved that movie!
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm |
re: #323 Iron Fist
If you are mixed you take money from the right side pocket of your jeans and put it in the left side pocket.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:41pm |
re: #290 gymnast
You're welcome; had to step away for a moment. I hope everyone reads the Kurtz article and passes the information along as a supplement to the tape; it provides a broader look that's a bit harder to refute.
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FightingBack Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:42pm |
I don't think this will help. There are enough folks who are hoping to be the slackers who get the stolen wealth.
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Defogger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:45pm |
re: #311 buzzsawmonkey
Do not forget, folks, that there are a lot of people sucking at the government teat already, to whom Obama's words will sound like hog heaven.
And they vote too. Sometimes, thanks to ACORN, several times.
Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:59pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Has his own salute - Check
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:08pm |
re: #218 Promethea
I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.
Of course you're right. They could give a rat's ass about Barack, it's all about their own selfish goals.
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n in wi Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:10pm |
re: #332 vxbush
See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.
It's all so stupid.
What about the Africans who sold other tribe members, do they kick in some $ ?
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:30pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
No, the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.
Goodnight.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:46pm |
ok so we have it sent to O'reilly, hannity, wjtvnews, Levin. Clintonforum,
Kurtz?
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herewegoagain Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:51pm |
re: #173 Idle Drifter
Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."
I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"
Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:18pm |
To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:41pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I've never used the ShareThis button before, Charles. I just sent it to our local conservative morning talk show host on KKTX.
Thanks for bring this up.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:04pm |
re: #326 Sharmuta
That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.
I didn't think you would be the kind to sport a Kaffiyeh.
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:20pm |
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FortunateSon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:26pm |
re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I do like the smell of my hair treatment. The pleasing odor is half the point.
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PaxAmericana Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:54pm |
This was from 2001.
Barry has been campaigning for over a year.
Why is this stuff coming out now, a few weeks before the election? The Republicans really dropped the ball on this.
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jaunte Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:55pm |
re: #355 herewegoagain
Rashid Khalidi is one 'friend of Obama' who is definitely interested in taking down the "American Empire."
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:16pm |
re: #335 Moe Katz
So, nu, what was the consensus?
Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.
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Van Helsing Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:24pm |
re: #324 mama winger
Couldn't say it better. Our best to little winger.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:25pm |
re: #336 Yankee Division Son
I posted this a few threads ago...
My god, I am scared. The thought of him as our next president scares me like nothing I have felt before. I won't let the fear paralyze me though, I'm going to see to it that both of these clips are played tomorrow at work. If this does not sway people from voting for Obama, nothing will.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:53pm |
re: #324 mama winger
Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.
I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.
I took that oath in 1960. I no longer wear the uniform, but the oath is still part of me, and will be until the day I die.
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:14pm |
re: #364 dentate
Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.
Thanks. I worry about that too.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:19pm |
re: #317 gmsc
Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!
Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)
///ducks
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Scion9 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:34pm |
re: #116 Mich-again
I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.
Here is what Obama was referring to, in regards to the philosophical core of the Constitution. His appraisal of it being a 'charter of negative liberties' is apt.
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ArmyWife Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:43pm |
It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:03pm |
Sharmuta, you seem to have some insight into the"puma" force, how big do you think they will be in this election? I have gone to some you have recommended and they seem pretty determined to see Obama defeated. How many do you think there really are?
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:05pm |
re: #322 thebigolddog
I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,
Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:25pm |
i'm 1/8 cherokee.
i want my my money
/
i wonder if the grifter has any idea how many americans this is going to potentially affect?"
he is out of his mind.
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Indypendent Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:46pm |
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
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JacksonTn Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:14pm |
It does not surprise me that some people want this redistribution of wealth ....a few years ago my husband and I were driving around in Chattanooga looking at property and we were in a car we don't drive on the farm ......we drove through a neighborhood where we were thinking of buying some rental property and we actually had two houses of people throw trash at us and yell .......Give us some money ...No joking .....we never went back there again .....
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:20pm |
My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!
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cliffster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:23pm |
re: #373 taxfreekiller
Push, Push, Push.
last lap gut it out
Pain is temporary. Defeat lasts an eternity.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:28pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
Why do I keep thinking of leopards and spots.
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jorline Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm |
OK- I also sent this to the Hillary Clinton Forum. Hopefully on of the admins will share this video.
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Globular Cluster Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:51pm |
re: #313 dentate
Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers.
Which is most of your shul.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:52pm |
re: #339 doppelganglander
I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.
As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"
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profitsbeard Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:08pm |
Obama- the little Red schoolhouse... all growed up.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:34pm |
Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:40pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:41pm |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
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nyc redneck Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:42pm |
re: #380 nigella
My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!
see my #376,
lol,
gmta
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solomonpanting Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:49pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
As someone posted
"What's black and white and red all over?"
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:59pm |
re: #373 taxfreekiller
Push, Push, Push.
last lap gut it out
Isaiah 40
28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
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gmsc Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:11pm |
re: #369 FurryOldGuyJeans
Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)
///ducks
Of course not! Otherwise, the screenname would be "Sharmuto".
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:33pm |
re: #370 Sharmuta
Unfortunately Sharmuta, its a moonbat hangout now.
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vxbush Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:34pm |
re: #372 ArmyWife
It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?
Oh. I am so past that point. Carry on the good fight, dear lizards. Sleep beckons.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:36pm |
I have seen a picture of Sharmuta.
She is very pretty and appears very dedicated to her cause; a cause which we share.
/.02
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Yankee Division Son Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:01pm |
re: #390 Ojoe
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
My thoughts exactly.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:08pm |
re: #388 Mich-again
Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.
Hopefully he will get his wish.
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Mich-again Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:19pm |
re: #371 Scion9
It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.
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transient Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:34pm |
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
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notutopia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:52pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
My GREAT concern as well. He'll have the most liberal hitter in those seats.
The constitution and this country will be so vulnerable to marxist ideation!
Scares me like nothing else before!
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:02pm |
re: #404 transient
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
My Canadian bank checking account.
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Ojoe Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:06pm |
re: #399 Yankee Division Son
It is with great effort that my comments about Mr. Obama remain civil here.
Goodnight again, really I'm too sleepy.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:28pm |
re: #377 Indypendent
I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!
That is not true. Some people have left communism for good. David Horowitz is a good example, as was Whittaker Chambers. I'm afraid that you are error.
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willowone Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:36pm |
because the oppressed people simply did not realize their true class interests
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mama winger Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:37pm |
re: #404 transient
So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?
You have two months to think about that between election day and inauguration day. Right now - focus on winning this election.
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dentate Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:39pm |
re: #375 ErislDysnomia
As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,
Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!
Three Jewish doctors of the seven of us in my department, all McCain supporters. We DO exist. But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican. Most people still look at the label on the can, and don't read the ingredients.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:46pm |
re: #356 Sharmuta
To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.
I like the Wild Boar fountain myself. As a kid we took my dad's folks to Putsch's on the Plaza every Sunday and I'd toss a penny or two into the fountain.
Then they moved Putsch's to the Blue Ridge Mall and we went there for a while ... then the Mall went into a long decline ... and now the Mall is gone and a Wal-Mart is in its place, with a bunch of other new shops and restaurants and a Lowe's on the way ... and the Blue Ridge Cinema across 40 Highway is boarded up and the parking lot overgrown with weeds ...
All this change makes me feel old!
But the Boar is still there!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:56pm |
re: #406 Moe Katz
My Canadian bank checking account.
Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)
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Killer Tomato Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:04pm |
Sent it to the morning and afternoon drive time talk show hosts on a Boston station.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:30pm |
re: #390 Ojoe
He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.
Enough, Mr. Obama
My ancestors (dad's side) were part of the Underground Railroad, fought for the GAR, and never owned a slave. My mom's side didn't arrive until 1880.
I just might chose jail over paying reparations.
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Muadib Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:31pm |
re: #403 Iron Fist
All I am saying is "give war a chance"...
There's a time for peace, and a time for war.
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:51pm |
JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:04pm |
If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)
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Moe Katz Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:12pm |
re: #414 FurryOldGuyJeans
Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)
Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria....
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doppelganglander Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:14pm |
re: #386 dentate
As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"
Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:26pm |
re: #252 Charles
Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.
It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.
I sent this video w/ a transcript, big thanks to Soona' , to every family member both blue and red on my private e-mail. I'm waiting for the backlash I can here those screaming sirens coming from above.
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theblakester Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:41pm |
Caught Red handed, with hand in the cookie jar!
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:58pm |
re: #412 dentate
But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican.
Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?
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Nancy Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:06pm |
I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer and a legislator and he actually believes that the civil rights movement wasn't radical enough because it didn't result in changes to the constitution?
That the founding fathers were in error when they only covered what a government should NOT do and didn't include what the government MUST do?
How on earth, with any moral integrity did he take the oath of office and swear to uphold the constitution while believing that it is needs to be changed.
I believe that reason ALONE disqualifies him from holding any USA office. The oath is clearly to UPHOLD the constitution. Not seek to rewrite it or change it.
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ErnieG Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:10pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:27pm |
re: #413 Tigger2005
Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.
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nigella Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:53pm |
I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7
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jetprop Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm |
re: #398 Muadib
All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.
/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."
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ErislDysnomia Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:15pm |
re: #421 HoosierHoops
If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama, CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)
He added that after the "presidential seal" fiasco.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:20pm |
re: #379 JacksonTn
There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?
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Dasher Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm |
re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom
And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)
I don't think he cares if they were descendants from slaves or not, as long as they are "black".
