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Obama on the 'Redistribution of Wealth'

Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:09:52 pm PDT

In a 2001 interview on Chicago Public Radio, Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.” That’s a direct quote from Obama himself.

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1 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:08pm

Unfit for any office. How is it possible that this person may very well end up President?

2 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:22pm

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

3 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:30pm

So, I'm guessing Charles has seen the video posted in the last thread?

4 Edouard  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:36pm

RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!

5 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:11:52pm

Truly unbelievable. But do they care or are they ok with this?

6 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:00pm

amazing video.

7 s.r.  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:24pm

And in a fair world, this would be front page news WORLD OVER tomorrow... Weather you agree with it or not, it's earth-sneakingly opposite of what the American People want.

8 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:27pm

Obama on the 'Redistribution of Other People's Wealth'

There ya go. All fixed.

9 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:30pm

re: #5 ArmyWife

i Hope not!

10 devil in baggy pants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:33pm

Joe was right.

11 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:12:35pm

re: #2 arethusa

No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.

12 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:02pm

Holy Hell! And they want to give Sarah Palin a hard time about not understanding the Constitution?!

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:20pm

The Constitution doesnt say what the Government must do on your behalf? The only thing I want the Government to do is leave me the fuck alone.

FUCK YOU BARRY!

14 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:28pm

i sent it to Levin. i dont know how to send to Hillaryclinton forum.

Does Rush have an email?
and should soemthing like this be sent via Drudge?

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:37pm

re: #4 Edouard

RNC: Make an ad out of this thing STAT!

There is just enough time to do it, too. And nobody could plausibly declare this out of bounds.

16 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:50pm

re: #9 willowone

Me either, but I must say the Dems I am close too (ugh) ARE ok with socialism. Makes my head explode.

17 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:52pm

If you are making over forty grand a year and you vote for Obama you are insane. If you make less than that and vote for him you are delusional.

18 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:13:55pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

send to Hillary forums?

19 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:13pm

Someone needs to archive this video before it gets pulled.

20 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:32pm

"It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf."

Actually, it covers everything that the government must do on your behalf: Protect your rights by punishing those who initiate force against you. Any more or less, and you're trying to destroy the ideals of the U.S.!

21 MAV  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:53pm

Pray my friends that good will prevail against the evil forces in this world.

22 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:14:56pm

Imagine how people are going to react to hearing this given the way they reacted to what he said to Joe the Plumber. I can't imagine this gut being elected.

23 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:00pm

re: #16 ArmyWife

I would think they are the ages of my children than!

kids "Mom can ya buy me, What! mow the lawn? "

24 noshariaincanada  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:09pm

I'm sure Hannity will have this up tomorrow.

25 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:17pm

I'm amazed that wasn't scrubbed.

26 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:34pm

Bill of NO Rights (An oldie but a goodie)

We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bedwetters.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of Non Rights.

ARTICLE I -- You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any form of wealth.
More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II -- You do not have the right to never be offended.
This country is based on freedom, and that means the freedom for everyone, not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III -- You do not have the right to be free from harm.
If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful. Do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV -- You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generations of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V -- You do not have the right to free health care.
That would be nice but, from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in government run health care.

ARTICLE VI -- You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII -- You do not have the right to the possessions of others.
If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII -- You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience.
We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight, if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.

ARTICLE IX -- You don't have the right to a job.
All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE X -- You do not have the right to happiness.
Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
If you agree that a understanding of no rights is necessary to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty," I strongly urge you to refer this to as many people as you can, or link it from your own webpages. No, you don't HAVE to .... Nothing tragic will befall you should you NOT refer it. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to re-emerge in our society and flourish again. Thank you!

27 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:15:51pm

0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.

28 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:05pm

Money get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're ok
Money,it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hans and make a stash
new car,caviar,four star daydream
think i'll buy me a football team

money get away
i'm alright Jack keep your hands off my stack
money it's a hit
don't give me that do goody good bullshit
i'm in the hi-fidelity first class travelling set
and i think i need a Lear jet

money,it's a crime
share it fairly,but don't take a slice of my pie
money,so they say
is the root of all evil today
but if you ask for a rise it's no a surprise that they're giving none away

29 zenren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:16:18pm

I hope this video gets spread far and wide.

30 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:03pm

Reposted from the previous thread:

At the end of the movie, Three Days of the Condor, Robert Redford tells Cliff Robertson that he (Redford) gave to the NY Times the story of how a renegade CIA officer conconcted a plot that led to the murder of seven or eight people. Robertson replied "How do you know they'll publish it?" Not unlike the media's love affair with Obama.

31 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:17:25pm

But we can't tell that 0bama said this because this is audio- we don't actually see this coming out of his mouth.

/JustMyView mode off

32 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:12pm

re: #2 arethusa

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

33 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:13pm

This is what a leftist intellectual sounds like when they preach to the choir. Frightening

34 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:20pm

I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.

35 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:33pm

If you spread that bullshit around you could cover an acre.

36 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #23 willowone

Sadly, they are the ages of my parents in law.

37 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:18:58pm

i wish i knew how to snapshot things, save Videos. all these things that i should know.

38 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #2 arethusa

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

$400k.

Plus expenses.

39 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:30pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

You forgot "And know one cares anyway."

40 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:44pm

re: #34 ArmyWife

nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?

41 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:19:56pm

re: #32 rightside

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

That's the spirit!

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

42 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:06pm

No surprise here.

I would venture to guess alot of Obama voters would agree with the whole idea of 'redistribution of wealth' its what the whole punitive 'tax on the rich' / 'windfall profit tax' is all about.

I always wonder if Obama and Buffett are such big fans of the Government controlling the money why don't they give the IRS some extra checks every year?

43 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:11pm

re: #27 jetprop

0bama's voice is friggin' annoying, especially the way he whistles when some words are announced.

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:25pm
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

45 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:29pm

re: #36 ArmyWife

I don't get it.

46 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:20:56pm

re: #25 Quilly Mammoth

Somebody screwed up, thank God.

47 zenren  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:00pm

Legislating the redistribution of wealth sure sounds like socialism to me. It is un-fricking-believable that this guy is possibly about to win POTUS.

Sometimes I think I am living in bizzarro world. WAKE UP AMERICA!

48 LEGION  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:19pm

Channeling Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle--Surprise Surprise Surprise!
Mainstream Media will not tell just like the LA Times- so what else is new? The Fifth estate took over the 4th estate (the media) and they may have won. Just keep repeating- Bradley effect Bradley effect!

49 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:32pm

Here's a tool for anyone who is afraid this will get 'scrubbed'

Just put in the url of the video and download it on your hard drive.

[Link: www.techcrunch.com...]

50 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:39pm
51 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

It doesn't, which is why it opens the Bill of NO Rights (Rights you don't have, in other words)

52 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:21:53pm

WHAT!?!?!

53 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:00pm

re: #45 willowone

Unless your children are in their mid to late 60s, they aren't your children's age. The ones I am talking about are my age (37, so think 35-40) and my parents in law, (60-70 age bracket).

54 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:15pm

Would not Obama's approach be stealing?

It certainly has no freedom in it.

I cannot believe that the citizens of this country would vote this man in.

He will wreck us by penalizing productivity and rewarding slack.

We will get less productivity and more slack.

55 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:22pm

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.

56 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:27pm

Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.

57 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:38pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Yea' but, you know,

How can you tell a Democrat is lying?

His/her lips are moving.

58 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:46pm

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

59 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:50pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, he's got to make back some of the billion dollars he spent to get there.

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

60 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:22:54pm

I just buzzed this on Yahoo. I hope others will help it gain votes.

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:00pm
62 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:17pm

Scratch my comment in #51. I read it too fast.

63 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:20pm

re: #11 ArmyWife

No. He is the Grand Puba who doesn't HAVE to give up jack taco. See Chavez, Stalin, etc etc.

I think the common spelling is "Grand Poobah!"

64 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:29pm

re: #32 rightside

$400,000 now. Changed in 2001. Still aint enough for me.

I dunno, it's not much in NBA terms, but what would you have in mind? Remember, it includes meals, health care, and access to Camp David.

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:39pm

re: #40 willowone

nice i sent to Levin, Hannity> O'Reilly anyone?

They'll use it. This'll be on The O'Reilly Factor by Tuesday. And it'll cost Obama a full point in the polls at least.

66 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:40pm

re: #59 pablito

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

It's "economic justice" doncha know.

67 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:45pm

re: #54 Ojoe

I think he knows, and is a saboteur.

68 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:52pm

re: #49 middlecon

ty, i really need to do this type of thing to help.
thanks for a skill.

69 StinkHammer  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:53pm
Barack Obama came out strongly in favor of the “redistribution of wealth.”

But he's not a Socialist, 'cause Warren Buffet supports him.

70 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:54pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

Chump change for the position...

71 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:23:59pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

(cursing) WHO is he selling out to, raising this amount of cash!

72 rightside  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:02pm

re: #41 arethusa

Hell, once you are elected to the house, you get a lifelong pension, IIRC. Two year term, and we pay for the rest of our lives.

73 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:06pm

And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.

Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!

And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.

But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?

74 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:12pm

What a genius Obama is! He's got it all figured out. Just take money from one person and give it to another. Such originality. I am sure no one has ever thought of THAT one before.

Sheesh...

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

There is still a possibility that all that cash investment will have no return.

76 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:16pm

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

77 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon
good deal.

78 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:21pm

I have it downloaded and saved, in case it gets removed.

79 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:30pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

And how much of it came from - er - questionable Mideast sources via credit card?

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:24:56pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Like father, like son. His father's thoughts on economics read were much the same. Reds, both of them Reds.

81 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:09pm

re: #67 jaunte

I don't think he knows, I think he is monumentally stupid.

82 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:10pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?

LOL.that or trying to sound intellectual, I presume..or it's that hypnotist thingy :-)

83 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:22pm

There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.

But, the whole is WONDERFUL.

84 pablito  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:38pm

re: #66 pablito

It's "economic justice" doncha know.


re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

He and Michelle are going to wipe their arses with the Constitution.

85 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:40pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.

86 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:43pm

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?

87 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:45pm

re: #34 ArmyWife

I sent it to Rush Limbaugh - I have the special "private" email for subscribers. Makes me special, doncha know.

LOL!

88 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:25:49pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

Yes, that's what you heard.

89 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:02pm

re: #81 Ojoe

I hope your interpretation is right.

90 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

And this man taught law? I can't get over his comment about the Constitution being restrictive of government.

Yeah, barry- that was the point. Government can't take away my guns. Government can't restrict my speech. Government can't make me testify against myself. Government can't deny my right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Government can't try me for the same crime twice. These are good things, moron!

And he's also wrong about what the government must do on my behalf. There is a duty which the government must do on my behalf- defend this country from enemies, enforce the law, and uphold the Constitution.

But I get you barry- damn that Constitution and it's remarkable ability to prevent marxism, eh?

OK, this audio simply has to become part of the campaign.

Would someone who's a touch typist please transcribe?

91 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:06pm

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Tell me how redistributing wealth and "reparations" accomplishes any of the above?

That's easy:

Redistributing wealth and "reparations" will establish "social justice", insure domestic Tranquility by forestalling rioting in the streets and promote underserved welfare, among other benefits.

//

92 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:22pm

re: #79 erisldysnomia

That is the 64,000,000 dollar question.

93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:27pm

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

94 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:34pm

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

95 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:46pm

re: #83 MandyManners

There are some typos that concern me, not the least of which is the use of "to" when "too" is mandated.

But, the whole is WONDERFUL.

Trivial shit but, it still bugs me. I'm not saying I'm perfect but, I don't put up an ad on YouTube.

96 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:48pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

One

Billion

Dollars

has been spent to put this man in the White House.

Soros can't be POTUS, so he's buying himself one.

97 Penguinchic  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:26:57pm

You do know that he also plans on having those who make over $250,000 return the tax cuts that they received for the last eight years because it is only fair.

98 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:09pm

I sent to Drudge.

His reach, if he picks it up, is tremendous.

99 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:13pm

Saving for Greatness
by Luke Setzer

Your savings, believe it or not, affect the way you stand, the way you walk, the tone of your voice -- in short, your physical well-being and self-confidence. A man without savings is always running. He must. He must take the first job offered, or nearly so. He sits nervously on life’s chairs because any small emergency throws him into the hands of others.

Without savings, a man must be too grateful. Gratitude is a fine thing in its place. But a constant state of gratitude is a horrible place in which to live. A man with savings can walk tall. He may appraise opportunities in a relaxed way, have time for judicious estimates and not be rushed by economic necessity.

A man with savings can afford to resign from his job if his principles so dictate -- and for this reason he will never need to do so. A man who can afford to quit is much more useful to his company and therefore more readily promoted. He can afford to give his company the benefit of his most candid judgments.

A man with savings can afford the wonderful privilege of being generous in family or neighborhood emergencies. He can take the level stare of any man ... friend, stranger or enemy. That ability shapes his personality and character.

The ability to save has nothing to do with the size of income. Many high-income people spend it all. They are on a treadmill, darting through life like minnows.

The dean of American bankers, J.P. Morgan, once advised a young broker: "Take waste out of your spending; you’ll drive the haste out of your life."

If you do not need money for college, a home or retirement, then save for self-confidence. The state of your savings does have a lot to do with how tall you walk.

100 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #59 pablito

He needs to give half of his campaign cash to the McCain campaign.

Spread that wealth around!

YES ! Social justice!

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:23pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

For the One Government IS G-d.

102 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:26pm

To that insipid little tune,

"Barak is going to bleed us...."

103 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #48 LEGION

Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.

That'll kinda be hard to keep up, once he's President and all that. His Presidency is already a disaster, and he's not even been elected yet.

104 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:35pm

re: #88 Charles

I find it hard not to let loose a string of curse words on hearing that...

105 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:37pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

He might understand it but, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT.

106 Pepper  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm

I want my constitutionally enumerated negative rights upheld by the courts of economic justice. It is only fair.

/sarc

107 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:27:58pm

re: #85 razorbacker

When you're fishing for big fish, you use big bait.

Then the Dems are certainly fishing for a master fish.
;)

108 poopeedoo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:05pm

re: #28 MarkX

Pink Floyd?

109 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:11pm

re: #98 Syrah

He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.

110 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:25pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Yes.
Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]
Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]

111 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope. Its automatic when in that position - even if he couldn't get one if he applied to be a janitor as NSA.

112 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:39pm

ok, it's downloading, now i'll have to learn how to retrieve it.

113 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:48pm

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".

114 middlecon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:28:55pm

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Can someone give me a link detailing Obama's lack of a security clearance?


I think I've heard before that elected officials don't have to be approved for security clearances?

115 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:21pm

Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?

'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.

116 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:32pm

Obama said,

"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

117 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm

Let's make this go viral.

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:34pm

re: #113 Ojoe

There is much idolatry swirling around the Obama "phenomenon".

Obama is the Messiah, after all.

119 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:42pm

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

120 LEGION  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:49pm

If he wins and raises the taxes I ain't paying- come and get me! Have most of the nation join in and watch the laws change retroactively! Get impeachment proceedings ready for him.

121 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:53pm

Under Obamunism, the only question is it there will be blood or there may be blood. Only Obamunist Democrats believe the may part. They are fantasist's.

122 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:29:58pm

re: #71 Ojoe

The point of militant socialism is to ruin the country. THEN to reshape it in the fashion they want. Google the Cloward-Piven Strategy for details (for one, as posted on American Thinker).

123 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:00pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

He was saying it like was a bad thing that the Constitution defined what the Government wasn't supposed to do to you.

I knew he was a commie rat bastard, but this is just... enough. Too much. I hope I hear a lot about this tomorrow.
Sure as hell I'll be talking about it.

124 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:01pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D

125 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:03pm

A brilliant find.

This might just do it.

So, if the dems take the house and the senate and the WH, then, the change in legislation that Barry Hussein favours over using the courts will be a piece of cake...

But, but, but, I was only eight years old when Ayers was doing those awful things and besides, I thought he had been rehabilitated

126 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:15pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not a requirement for being elected POTUS

Yes, I know. It's for a personal argument. I figure you guys would be able to help me out. Here's what the guy said:

---

@ Matrix: if Obama were really a person with proven clear ill intent towards the United States, I'd doubt the FBI and/or Secret Service would let him anywhere near the Capitol Building when he went to report to work every day. Security in national government buildings in DC has tightened considerably since 9/11, and I'd doubt they'd let someone with strong ties to terrorism walk in and out of any major executive building unchecked, let alone work as a United States senator in the Capitol building. Beyond that though, a hypothetical question: suppose Obama is elected. What are the consequences of that, in your honest opinion, specifically with regard to the things you've been posting?

127 MandyManners  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:21pm

re: #115 erisldysnomia

Anyone know who originally posted this at YouTube ?

'Cause you can be sure, as in Joe the Plumber, they're going to be toast.

Will YouTube yank it?

128 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:23pm

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

129 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #117 MandyManners

ace of spades maybe?

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:30pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

I doubt that he fails to understand the point, he just wants to change it.

131 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:33pm

re: #81 Ojoe

He knows, Ojoe.

132 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:40pm

re: #103 Iron Fist

Look at it this way: Obama's spending cash like it was water, he's got the Media fully behind him, and this should be a Democratic year, and still Obama can't close the deal. If the election were even remotely fairly reported Obama wouldn't stand a chance. If he wins, it'll be because he successfully hid his real agenda.

Truly true, and truly amazing.

133 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:46pm

re: #55 Eeyore Trout

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.


What if he does?

134 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:47pm

This is the bit that jumped out at me:

...and to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

Translation: you're too stupid to know how to take care of yourself, so we're going to do it for you. Whether you like it or not.

135 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:52pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Obama said,

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

Pessimistic?!? The negative liberties were the whole idea! America's major fight for the past 200+years has been to try and keep it that way!

136 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:30:56pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Gee, kinda hard not to get the impression that he doesn't like the Constitution.

137 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:07pm

re: #110 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I can understand Communism in Hawaii. Before Capt. Cook, there was a King, and the King owned everything, even your own person. if you owned something it was because the King allowed it.

Not that far removed from Communism, when you ponder it a bit.

138 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm

re: #133 Racer X

What if he does?


He might win the election.

139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:20pm

re: #124 vxbush

Whoops. I read too fast and read POS. :D

Also accurate in Barry's case

140 SeafoodGumbo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:45pm

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

141 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:47pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

If they do, I think enough people have archived it and will put it on available servers.

142 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:54pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

I've got it saved and ready to repost at YouTube and many other numerous sites if that happens.

143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:31:57pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

State Senator

144 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:04pm

re: #134 Fat Jolly Penguin


Thi9s is for your own good, so you might as well relax and enjoy the ride...

145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:08pm

re: #2 arethusa

So Obama will give up his 200K salary as President, then, right? I mean, it's only fair.

$400K now...

146 erisldysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:10pm

re: #140 SeafoodGumbo

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

it's a radio show

147 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:15pm

Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.

148 guzziguy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:23pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

State of Ill. senate.

149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:25pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

That may be his term as ILL Senator, not U.S. Senator.

150 talon_262  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:30pm

re: #128 swamprat

I thought that he only had 100+ days as senator. This interview from 2001 has him as a senator 8 years ago. What gives?

He was an Illinois state senator before being elected to the US Senate in 2004.

151 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm

obama is literally trying to buy the presidency. he is in all the swing states boring the hell out of people w/ 24/7 propaganda.
that could back fire on him big time. just imagine hearing his bs night and day non stop.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:32:53pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Let's make this go viral.

The virus isn't the video though, it's Obama. < Agent Smith > Barack Obama is a disease. And we... are the cure. < /Agent Smith >

153 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:00pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Obama said,

"Generally the Constitution is a Charter of negative liberties. It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

154 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:07pm

re: #140 SeafoodGumbo

I don't see the video. Anyone else?

It is a recording of a radio broadcast. Did you hear it?

155 Dalibama  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:15pm

No wonder they have encouraged early voting.

Why is it that I don't think all the billionaires around Obama will be redistributing their wealth?

This audio apparently has been on the website for a while. What happened to opposition research?

156 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:19pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

It's like he doesn't get that our rights are unalienable and derived, not from the government, but from God.

He fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence!

But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?

157 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:33:48pm

How's this YouTube piece doing on the social networking sites?

158 razorbacker  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:08pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

Shocking? The American people think that they're (we're) too well insulated to get a shock.

Experience is a harsh teacher, but effective.

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:12pm

re: #156 Soona'

But. But. Hasn't he been told he is God?

No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:13pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Let's make this go viral.

Yes- Lizards- give this post a Buzz at yahoo and use the "Share This" feature.

161 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:18pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Too bad McCain wouldn't mention this sort of thing.

Uh, he's been mentioning it all over the place. In fact, a member of the Kansas City Star editorial board decided he didn't like it, so he announced that socialism is a code word for black.

162 Defogger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:27pm

I heard this somewhere, once before. Nevertheless, it will never make the MSM.

What bothers me is that this is going to be a close election.

It. Should. Not. Be. Close.

Doesn't ANYONE (other than a Lizard) understand our Constitution anymore?

163 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:35pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

Let them. I have it downloading now and I'll re-up it if they take it down, with full credit to the original author of course.

164 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:34:44pm

re: #99 gmsc

Thank you .I am sending a copy to my son, who never met a dime he didn't want to spend.

165 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:27pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

That won't stop him from swearing to uphold it.
Not for a minute.

166 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:28pm

This is looking less like an election and more like a media led coup de tat with an aim towards sizing power and doing away with the constitution as we know it.

167 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:32pm
168 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:41pm

re: #161 Tigger2005

Because Marx was really a black man? Hey, it worked for Billy Jeff...

169 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:44pm

re: #147 Jimash

Wow. I listened to two minutes of that interview.
I never have heard such a barrage of closely spaced buzzwords
in my life.

I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).

170 oh_dude  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:49pm

Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."

(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)

171 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:35:52pm

re: #127 MandyManners

Will YouTube yank it?

No, there is nothing to object to in this. They may review it, but I would expect them to leave it up.

172 SeafoodGumbo  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:02pm

re: #146 erisldysnomia

re: #154 Syrah

Thanks. I do now. The sound was off.

173 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:36:40pm

re: #76 Van Helsing

Holy shit!

Did he actually say the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"?

Is that what I heard?

Destroy the Constitution then rape the Nation to fulfill a twisted sense of social justice doesn't exactly build bridges unless the primary building materials are matches, kerosene and TNT. Barak Obama thinks the ends justifies the means.

174 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:01pm

This audio was scrubbed from wbez website I believe ......when I was looking around some time ago I saw an audio of Ayers and another professor on the wbez website in the archives of google .....there was one of Senator Government but it was taken out of the archives ..... wonder how this person got the audio ...... there must be some in Chicago who do not want this guy elected ......now if only they would come up with more .......here is where it was and you cannot access it now .....

[Link: web.archive.org...]

175 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:03pm

re: #108 poopeedoo

check

176 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #135 gmsc

The BOR is concerned with that but in there it doesn't distinguish what the things the States can't do to you as opposed to what the Feds can't do to you. Your rights are inalienable. Its not as if some can be violated by the Feds and others only by the States. Thats my point. And BTW, the bulk of the Constitution was concerned with the sharing of power between the States and the Federal Government.

And it was summed up in the 10th amendment which says..

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

I think that is what Obama was confused about trying to inject the 10th amendment into the civil rights discussion.

177 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:30pm

Obama desires a USSA-United Socialist States of America.

"Mr. Obama, tear down these walls."

178 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:37:47pm

Read this for an upper!

SNIP:

I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.

179 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:11pm

I'm going to flog this link again, to Stanley Kurtz' fine piece on Obama's early political career. It helps illuminate some of the themes dramatized in this tape.

Kurtz:
"Obama's overarching political program can be described as "incremental radicalism."
...
"Fundamentally, he is a big-government redistributionist who wants above all to aid the poor, particularly the African-American poor. Obama is eager to do so both through race-specific programs and through broad-based social-welfare legislation. "Living wage" legislation may be economically counterproductive, and Obama-backed housing experiments may have ended disastrously, yet Obama is committed to large-scale government solutions to the problem of poverty. Obama's early campaigns are filled with declarations of his sense of mission-a mission rooted in his community organizing days and manifest in his early legislative battles."

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

180 tradewind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:19pm

O/T to a minor degree, but did anyone see MTP this morning and come away with the feeling that Tom Brokaw is really going to vote for McCain?
There was just something about the end of the interview, a tone...... it made me feel as if he was pulling for him.
So not NBC of him, and he was careful not to let it show, he thought... but in the middle of the palpable bias of his colleagues, there was just something different about the way he approached McCain.

181 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:21pm

Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

182 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:23pm

re: #159 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, Government is God, He is the Messiah.

That's right. How unwashed of me.

183 sngnsgt  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:29pm

re: #142 gmsc

How do you save it?

184 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:31pm

re: #170 oh_dude

Mom always said "don't play ball in the house."

(Obscure Brady Bunch reference)

Brady Bunch reference . . . YES
Obscure . . . NO

185 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:37pm

Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.

186 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:45pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?

187 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:38:59pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #149 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #150 talon_262

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ok! Thanks, guys.

188 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:06pm

This is the #1 video on Breitbart right now

189 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:24pm
190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:43pm

re: #178 Typicalwhitey

I'll just ignore all polls, thank you very much. Why waste skull sweat trying to refine dross and dreck? :)

191 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:51pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

He'll only cover it if you carve a backwards B in your face.

Cheer up Kilgore.

There will be plenty of time for long faced hopelessness after the riots, recounts and lawsuits.

192 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:39:53pm

re: #181 MrPaulRevere

Maybe its just me, but when I hear the words 'repairative' and 'distributive' the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

No. No, it's not just you.

Social justice should do it for you, too.

193 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:02pm

re: #186 n in wi

Could he hate a "living and breathing "document?

Why not? He hates living and breathing babies from botched abortions.

194 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:03pm

Put a McCain/Palin 08 sign on your front lawn.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:10pm

re: #38 itellu3times

$400k.

Plus expenses.

And a really cool jet.

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:13pm
197 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:41pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!

198 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:44pm

TRANSCRIPT:

MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.

You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.

The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

199 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:40:56pm

Punished with a baby government whose powers are restricted.

200 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:19pm

Abortion!

Finally at LGF.

201 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:21pm

he starts by talking about how the success of the civil rights movement did not go to the extent of addressing economic injustice. when he and the caller start talking about legislation to address reparative issues, I believe they mean reparations for African-Americans, and not so much as a socialism-for-all mindset that he seems to be pursuing now. in either case its wrong, just an observation.

202 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:27pm

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

203 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:43pm

Just notice all the things from the preamble to the Constitution that he is ignoring:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Items in bold are things that Mr. Constitutional Law Lecturer is clearly ignoring. It comes from the people, not the courts. The actions described in the document are so determined by the people to create a better union, establish justice, etc. The common defense is handled by the government. The welfare of which it speaks is a general welfare, not a redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have nots.

It's amazing how he can read the same document as us and come up with diametrically opposite views. But then again, he wants to ignore this document.

204 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:45pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And a really cool jet.

Soon to be renamed Air Force The One!

205 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:48pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Please.

206 tradewind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:52pm

re: #186 n in wi

'Living breathing ' is moonbat speak for ' creeping and encroaching '.

207 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:54pm

re: #198 Alouette

Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?

208 Palandine  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:41:55pm

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):

Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.

Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.

...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.

209 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:18pm

re: #183 sngnsgt

How do you save it?

I'm on a Mac, so I used Tube TV.

If you're on Windows, try Ares Tube.

210 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:22pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

I get the part about negative liberties, I was pointing out how the words..

It says what the States can't do to you, it says what the Federal Government can't do to you.."

And I don't see the Constitution quite like that. That leads one to believe that certain individual rights are State-granted and others are Federally granted. That misses the whole point. Your rights are inalienable. Neither the State Government nor the Federal Government granted them to you.

211 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:32pm

re: #204 arethusa

I heard "Air Peace by The One". Force is so...agressive.

/

212 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:41pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.

213 OldLineTexan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:42:59pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Truly shocking. A major candidate for President fails to understand the point of the Constitution was to limit the power government had over We the People.

Oh, he understands. That's why it has to go.

214 Alouette  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:01pm

re: #207 Syrah

Did you transcribe that yourself or do you have a link?

Transcribed here

215 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:43:35pm

re: #208 Palandine

I've re-read those recently myself.
Prescient, wasn't she?

216 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:01pm

re: #205 ArmyWife

Please.

You do know what I am talking about right?

217 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:09pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.

218 Promethea  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:19pm

re: #56 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Sam Zell, he's coming for you, boy. Release the video before it's too late.

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

219 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:20pm

re: #214 Alouette

Transcribed here

Thanks.

220 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #198 Alouette
wow

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way

So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts

221 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:33pm

re: #131 wolfie

I don't want to think anyone could be that bad.

222 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:36pm

Though I'm but a mere college student, I plan to be successful once I'm done here, and God willing maybe even earn more than the magical $250k/year (gasp).

I intend to do this on my own merits and without any gummint aid. And when I do, I fully intend to enjoy the fruits of my labors.

Maybe that sounds boastful or haughty-but it's not supposed to be. What I'm trying to say is, when I hear "Redistribution of Wealth" all I can see it as is "Redistribution of my Potential."

I don't know how so many of my peers could see it otherwise, particularly any of those with drive or ambition. I guess my parents just raised me well.

223 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:48pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

The prolonged existance of Geraldo truly is a serious intergalactic crisis.

224 Jimash  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:50pm

re: #169 Racer X

I listened to it a second time and it scared the shit out of me (and my wallet).

Fortunately I am used to not having any money.
But after hearing Senator Obama's words, I actually fear for my "stuff".
You can scoff, but I like my stuff.

The point about the negative rights creating a wide vista of liberty as
opposed to a delineation of rights that lock you in a box, works for me.
Thank you Buzz, etc.

225 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:44:53pm

Radical Economic Change and Halloween is on Friday...Fright Night!

226 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:01pm

Jeez, I crack open the laptop tonight.. "let's see what's going on in the world". Right there on the front page of LGF is my worst nightmare. A quote from a guy who isn't just ignorant, or naive.. a guy who has the background to know the complexities of the question of The Wealth of Nations. And he does not believe in it. And he has the law background to put it into the proper context in the American judicial history. And, who is being carried by the msm mosh pit to the presidency. And if he makes it to the stage, he will stand there along side Pelosi and Reid - all three branches. All old enough to know better, and all willing to do what they'll do anyways.

I hope everyone in the swing states watch the Obama channel. And I hope they understand how insane it all is.

227 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:16pm

re: #198 Alouette

TRANSCRIPT:

MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.

OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.

KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?

OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.

You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.

The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

Reading it makes it even more scary.

228 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:19pm

re: #191 Syrah

Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?

229 Dasher  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:32pm

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

230 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:47pm

The Manchurian Community Organizer.

231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:54pm
232 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:45:55pm

re: #222 FortunateSon

Actually you want the magic 125K as long as it's just you. The 250K number, I believe, is for couples filing jointly.

233 Racer X  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:05pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Gerardo is panicking on FoxNews right this minute over our attack on a Syrian village. He is calling it a serious international crises.

Oh noes!

This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!

Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:06pm

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

235 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #210 Mich-again

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

236 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #217 n in wi

Maybe the prophetic Joe Biden was a few moths early on his prediction. I did mark his words.


months,not moths

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:34pm
238 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #218 Promethea

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

Soros

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:06pm

In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.

240 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm

re: #216 doriangrey

yep! as in "Oh, please, Geraldo. This is SO not an international crisis".

How do I know? My husband is still downstairs - not on post taking care of bizz- ness, not packing, but surfing the net.

241 doriangrey  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:13pm

re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans

For him if he loses bowel control that is a serious international crisis.

Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.

242 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:22pm

re: #236 n in wi

"months,not moths"

I was enjoying a mental image of Biden in a Silence of the Lambs poster.

243 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:29pm

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

It's in the Constitution that they will be compensated. They are, of course, allowed to waive that compensation anytime they wish, but they don't.

244 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:32pm

re: #208 Palandine

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Here's an excerpt from the part I read today (Ivy Starnes is explaining her "enlightened" business philosophy to a suitably appalled Dagny Taggart):

Our plan? We put into practice that noble historical precept: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Everybody in the factory from charwomen to president, received the same salary–the barest minimum necessary. Twice a year, we all gathered in a mass meeting, where every person presented his claim for what he believed to be his needs. We voted on every claim, and the will of the majority established every person’s need and every person’s ability. The income of the factory was distributed accordingly. Rewards were based on need, and the penalties on ability. Those whose needs were voted to be the greatest, received the most. Those who had not produced as much as the vote said they could, were fined and had to pay the fines by working overtime without pay. That was our plan. It was based on the principle of selflessness. It required men to be motivated, not by personal gain, but by love of their brothers.

Book is 51 years old. Rand had Socialism's number, way back then.

...and the novel is kind of...hot...in places. Wasn't expecting that; maybe if I'd read it in college I would have overcome my liberalism sooner.

A couple of videos and audios you might enjoy:
Anthem (audio reading of a shorter work with a similar theme, also by Ayn Rand)
"This is John Galt speaking...": This is a series of videos of John Galt's speech at the climax of the book. You might want to save this for later, so as not to spoil your enjoyment of Atlas Shrugged.

245 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:42pm

re: #202 doriangrey

Everything is a major crisis to Geraldo. He's pissed that hurricane season is over.

246 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:44pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

No- he's right. It is negative liberties on the government- but that's exactly what it was supposed to be! Limiting the power the government had on the liberties of the people. His problem is that it limits the government's powers, which makes it harder to impose marxist ideology.

I think he not only misunderstands the Constitution, he hates it.

You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!

We the People will not go quietly !

247 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:47:57pm

re: #229 Dasher

Something is saying "You are not it, ArmyWife"

248 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:16pm

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do the President (and Congress for that matter) get paid at all. Hell, they all leave office with a thousand times more than when they got there. And most of 'em have money when they get there.

I read somewhere that Pelosi plans to pass a Congressional pay raise after the election. (As well as a host of other needless things.)

249 Fearless Fred  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:20pm

re: #5 ArmyWife

My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.

Fred

250 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:24pm

re: #233 Racer X

Oh noes!

This is what Joe Biden was warning us about!

Like anyone gives a rats ass about Syria.

Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?

Wake the hell UP!

251 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:25pm

that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.

252 Charles  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:33pm

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

253 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:47pm

re: #242 jaunte

It puts the lotion on its skin. It does this, or it will get the hose! Yes, precious, it will get the hose!

254 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:52pm

re: #215 Van Helsing

Are you the same Van Helsing who runs the 'moonbattery' site? If so you do great work.

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:48:57pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Bounty is paid for left front foreleg only.

No, then we might end paying them welfare for their disability. For the men, let's take their balls. If they riot for Obama, they shouldn't be reproducing.

256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:08pm

re: #236 n in wi

months,not moths

With Biden anything he says tends to draw flies so why not a few moths? ;)

257 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:09pm

You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.

258 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:10pm

re: #252 Charles

On my site, sent to friends, shared with FB.

259 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:11pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

Hi Sharmuta, hope you're doing well. It seems now like he understands it, and still thinks it's Wrong, All Wrong. He says "reinterpretation" - that doesn't mean we were interpreting it wrong the whole time.. it means he wants to use maneuvering and bullying to have the interpretation changed.

260 womball  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:16pm

Ooh you did make this a topic! I hope the media is forced to whitewash this too.

261 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:38pm

re: #229 Dasher

Conyers will put the Slavery Reparations bill up for a vote this coming session, just like he does every session. This time may be the magic BB.

262 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:40pm

re: #223 Quad Mocha Matti

If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!

263 Quad Mocha Matti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:41pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

In the same vein as the topic, try this article: We Don’t Need Another War on Poverty. It's good refutation of Obama's animating principles.

CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"

264 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:49:58pm

re: #41 arethusa

That's the spirit!

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

Hey, the country could always go broke and not have the $169K/year.

265 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:03pm

re: #252 Charles

I've emailed it to every blog I read and Drudge.

266 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:38pm

re: #208 Palandine

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time; I'd read The Fountainhead in college.

Watch out for that stuff, it'll put hair on your palms.

But yeah, there is nothing new under the sun.

267 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:44pm

re: #260 womball

The sad thing is that they will whitewash this. You mustn't speak ill of the Obamessiah.

268 MarkX  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:45pm

re: #251 alien_mind

that caller "Karen" sounds like a plant to me. too rehearsed and a softball question.

Nah, just a typical public radio listener, a sycophant.

269 shanec99  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:50:59pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

what's up w/ that?
is he wearing ill fitting dentures?


If he were he would be following the footsteps of a great American President (George Washington).
George and he have nothing in common.
Not service to the nation (Washington served our nation in uniform during a time of peril, Obama accuses our military of atrocities while they are confronting the enemy on the battle field).
Not in who his associates are (George Washington's asoociates were Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Ben Franklyn... Obama's associates are Ayers, Wright and various other terrorists and racists).
Not resisting our enemies foreign and domestic.
Not believing in the principle of the sanctity of private property.
and not especially honesty (George Washington was known for his honesty... need we continue?)
NOTHING.

270 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:10pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've added it to StumbleUpon. Anyone stumbling with the tags economics, politics, socialism, video, obama, republican, or democrat will see it.

271 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:11pm

re: #246 mama winger

Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.

272 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:22pm

re: #203 vxbush

General Welfare reporting for duty!

273 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've been around this site for a little while now, Charles. This is the first time I've seen you make these kinds of entreaties. I agree with you, of course. It's coming close to D-Day. And it's serious stuff.

274 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:30pm

re: #246 mama winger

You are EXACTLY right, on all of your points tonight Sharmuta. You get it - let's trust that there are enough of us out here that also get it!

We the People will not go quietly !

He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".

275 SlapLeather  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:32pm

This is the emerging rebuttal:

"Redistributive justice and redistribution of wealth are two different things. As a not so minor example. In MA the state legislature decided that renters should be able to deduct a percentage of their annual rent in lieu of mortgage deductions such as home owners get automatically. That's redistributive justice."


keep the change

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #257 TheMatrix31

You guys might have to translate the transcript into "understandable terms" for those who are our "targets" for this video. Many of them have no reading comprehension ability.

A transcript is either the exact words as spoken, or it might as well never see the light of day. People have trouble understanding the issue involved should have someone handy to explain what they don't understand.

277 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:46pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

Thank you, mama winger. I take the Constitution pretty seriously.

That is clear- you do wonderful posts!

278 wolfie  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:56pm

re: #221 Ojoe

I know.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:51:58pm

re: #263 Quad Mocha Matti

CORRECTION: "We Don't Need Another War On PROSPERITY"

Indeed. That is a very good amendment to the title.

280 The Archivist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:06pm

re: #197 Quad Mocha Matti

...And eff all you zombie Obamunists too!

Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"

281 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:22pm

re: #229 Dasher

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)

282 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:34pm

re: #41 arethusa

BTW, the President gets a $169K/year pension after leaving office. We'll be paying Obama long after he messes up the country for us.

Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?

283 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:52:39pm

re: #254 MrPaulRevere

No. I didn't realize I had poached someone else's nic.

284 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:04pm

re: #280 The Archivist

Excuse me, but around here, we don't use the word "zombie" in close conjunction with "Obamunits"

We love Zombie here!

285 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:05pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

That's why I said he fails to understand the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence. He fails to understand the very reasons why this country was founded.

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

286 Griffon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:09pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

this is so damning.
he is a communist. plain and simple.
nothing abt. him suggests otherwise.
NOTHING.

Is this a joke?

/Channeling Joe Biden

287 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:29pm

Gateway Pundit has it up!

288 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:34pm

THIS is why I really can't stand early voting. You vote before all the information has been located.

289 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:39pm

we need a over 21 thread so i can really say what i think about obama's circle jerk media and the un-natural acts they are doing to his spinkter.

290 gymnast  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:40pm

re: #179 jaunte

Thank you for re-posting that important document for those who may not have seen it.
I grew up in Hyde Park, delivered the Hyde Park Herald, and in the years after World War 2, watched the neighborhood turn into shit. Berkley is a "communist kindergarten" compared to Hyde Park. By the time I left the place in the late 50s the term "white Negro's" was a well know local term to describe whites who had adopted black culture. Jeff Fort was on the way up and Jesse Jackson was "hanging around" at 57th and Woodlawn. Elijah Muhammad had had taken over the Jewish Temple on 54th and Ellis (Muhammed's Temple Of Islam #2) though the Star of David remained at least until 1960, and it was not that unusual to see "Red" going in on occasion.
A neighborhood kid even eventually became the head of the Chicago PD gang unit. Ironic in a way.

291 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:41pm

re: #228 Iron Fist

Do we get to take pelts from the rioters? Please? Maybe an occasional ear?

Well . . .

I think I would advise against that ever so cautiously.

292 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm

You know there is so much out there in Chicago ......but they have scrubbed as much as they could ......why was this audio scrubbed on wbez when there are so many that are still there on the same page of the archives ....

293 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:57pm

i sent to wftvnews (the woman that asked Biden questions)

294 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #241 doriangrey

Well, this could very well be Bush's October surprise to Obama. A Bay of Tonkin into Iran as it were.

Nah. This is just another day in the WOT. Some things just can't wait for an election.

295 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #232 arethusa

Ah, in that case disregard everything I said.

Obama/Biden'08!

/sarcasm

The goal driving me forward (no impending puns intended) is to own a 1935 Duesenberg SJ at some point in my life. I'm pretty sure whatever income owning and maintaining a magnificent four-wheeled supercharged stallion such as that demands would put me in the class that would suffer the most wealth redistribution.

296 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:08pm

re: #27 jetprop

it's from his nose restructuring. I can't stand listening to his ideology!

297 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:09pm

re: #252 Charles

I just notified "The Anchoress".

Good Night All.

298 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:13pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.

299 eddiespaghetti  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:16pm

God help us, here it comes!

300 Paul  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:25pm

Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.

301 Pepper  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #126 TheMatrix31

Providing security from immediate threat or investigating direct action is an obvious role.

The elected officials background is used for certain committee positions. There is nothing security, or FBI can do to stop subversion of the officials office or the abuse of the access to information. We can only trust that this will not happen. Unless an overt act occurs usually it is a difficult issue to mete out justice. After all, the Federal agencies fall under the Executive, and The Separation of Powers argument applies.

We have had members of Congress commit acts which can be construed as treasonous. Sedition and treason are well within the scope of law but rarely prosecuted, similar to perjury in many court cases. The Congress is supposed to be self-policing in this area.

Many times unauthorized discussions have occurred between elected officials and foreign entities. Sometimes military operations been revealed jeopardizing soldiers directly, intelligence operations are exposed by officials either misspeaking, leaking, or in some cases overtly. What is interesting is an Federal employee either civilian or military would be prosecuted.

We do have subversive members in our government in both elected and civilian roles. Elected officials for some reason garner extreme latitude. Sometimes it is well intended foolishness in other cases, it is not.

302 DM Glampers  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:38pm

I actually have high hopes for this to make a difference.
Only the fully indoctrinated could hear The One speak this way and not realize that this is not the change they expected

/Fingers crossed

303 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:54:50pm

re: #229 Dasher

I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.

304 Syrah  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:00pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

Buzzed and Drudged.

305 Palandine  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:05pm

re: #244 gmsc

Favorited. Thanks!

306 swamprat  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:30pm

re: #262 swamprat

If geraldo did not exist, we would have to invent him. Personally, I watch him every chance I get. .....Like the reporters who would follow Gerald Ford around, waiting for another pratfall. He is sincere, and fun, but he's no Bucky Fuller!


This just in: ...Wife says he's not even a George Bush!

307 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:31pm

Digg it, Folks.

308 DM Glampers  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:55:51pm

For luck, not 'cause I'm channeling a dem.re: #302 DM Glampers

309 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:11pm

re: #285 Mich-again

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.

310 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:12pm

re: #282 itellu3times

Can we pay him that now, and have him go away immediately?

Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.

Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?

311 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:13pm
312 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:14pm

re: #291 Syrah

We need to take the ears so we can spot them as barred if they try to come back!

:-þ

313 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:30pm

re: #250 DisturbedEma

Israel does. . . pssss, fellow Jews, do you REALLY want to pretend that the one will be a friend to Eretz Israel?

Wake the hell UP!

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.

314 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:56:44pm

k a few linked on ace

315 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #303 thebigolddog

I found it interesting that he discussed it in the context of the "desegregation era" as if this was the natural next step in the process.

Yes, as if the only people who needed economic redistribution were black folks. You know, there really is no such thing as a poor white person.

/(just to be completely obvious)

316 arethusa  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:21pm

re: #295 FortunateSon

Was just sayin', you'll get there sooner than you thought, probably.

317 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:24pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

318 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:44pm

re: #300 Paul

Obama's definition of democracy: If enough of us get together, we can take away other peoples' property and not have to compensate them.

Even better - if you can get enough people like Oprah and Spike Lee, who are rich as hell and influential will a ton of other rich people, you can put together enough money to buy the press. And then you can brainwash people that otherwise had the self-respect to believe the didn't need other people's money given to them.

But then November 4th comes, we look in the dictionary, and his definition turns out to be false.

319 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:45pm
320 yochanan  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:51pm

re: #185 Quad Mocha Matti

Sooo... can anyone verify the actual turnout at the Ø gathering in CO today? Was it ONLY 100,000 as claimed by the MSM (ABC Radio)? Surely it MUST have been at least 2x 3x that. My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, though I won't do a spit take when I hear the real count - I'll probably weep instead.

TONGUE PLANTED BETWEEN WHICH PAIR OF CHEEKS? we know were the MSM tounge is.

321 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:57:55pm

re: #310 arethusa

Well...let's assume he's President for 8 years - that's 3.2 million. Then let's assume he lives to 75, another 20 years - that's 3.38 million. 6.58 million dollars total.

Any Lizards out there with deep pockets?

We can hold a car wash and cookie sale every weekend.

322 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:11pm

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

323 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:31pm

re: #315 vxbush

What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?

324 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #274 Van Helsing

He is unaware that the oath our sons took include "Defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic".

Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.

I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.

325 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:01pm

re: #285 Mich-again

Lots of people think that the Bill of Rights spells out the civil rights that the Government bestows upon us.

Even as "difficult" and as "long" as the word "inalienable" is, it's an important part of our founding.

326 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:20pm

re: #317 gmsc

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

327 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm

re: #313 dentate

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers. Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen. Obama has stated his disdain for the Likud, of course. Problem is that the great majority of Jews in this country could care less about Israel, and see no connection between themselves and Israel--and will probably be SHOCKED to find out that the rest of the world does see a connection.

I think most American Jews see some connection with Israel, but remember, plenty of Jews in Israel support Peace Now and other suicidal idiocies.

328 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:24pm

re: #298 MrPaulRevere

And Obama clearly sees the Constitution as an impediment to his schemes. There is no denying what came out of his mouth. I don't scare easily, but its getting to that point.

The constitution is whatever the SCOTUS says it is...
The real battleground for the future is there...whomever sits there judges our fate.

329 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:25pm
330 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)

331 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:35pm

re: #324 mama winger

I wasn't ever a Marine, but I did work as Civillian Attached Personnel my senior year of high school. I took the oath, too. All enemies foreign and domestic...

332 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:45pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

What about a person of mixed race? Do you tax the white ancestry to pay reparations to the black ancestry?

See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.

It's all so stupid.

333 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:46pm

re: #316 arethusa

Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.

334 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:54pm

re: #249 Fearless Fred

My Liberal friends are totally okay with this. Products of the government schrool monopoly.

Fred

That was my thought. All of us lizardoids are shocked and horrified, but there are a lot out there who hear this and say, "Hey, I want me some of that!"

335 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:00:56pm

re: #313 dentate

Today we discussed what is likely to happen if the Likud comes to power with Obama in the White House--as seems likely to happen.


So, nu, what was the consensus?

336 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:08pm

I posted this a few threads ago...

1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered



Obama admits his Redistribution of Wealth is to SAVE the African American community SO HE CAN ENSURE HIS OWN SALVATION! (and Our Countries Salvation) He compares the plight of African Americas to the ethic genocide's of Bosnia and Africa. He blames all of African American's problems on "ONE GROUP" who suppresses them. And He says WHITE people don't want their taxes to help black children.
337 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:21pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

LOL I had a feeling ...

338 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:28pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

Proposes to stop the sea from rising - check.

339 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm

re: #229 Dasher

My thinking is he is not going after the usual redistribution of wealth, he is going after reparations for the blacks. And it just so happens that we have a Treasury Secretary sitting on a $700 billion bag of money, that is looking for a home. Lots of hands grasping at it... who will win?

I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.

340 Colin Nelson  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:32pm

#326 Sharmuta

You are the best!

341 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:41pm

re: #330 Tigger2005

Ummm, Sharmuta? I'm from KC too. You doing anything next weekend? :-)

I'm participating in a political event not in KC next weekend.

342 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:01:47pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

I know. Civics education in this country is, at the present, shameful.

Non-existant is the word I'd use.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:18pm

re: #333 FortunateSon

Point well taken. Marriage is the last thing on my mind at the present, so I had never even considered that very obvious angle. Drat.

You a "Dapper Dan" man?

Loved that movie!

344 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

If you are mixed you take money from the right side pocket of your jeans and put it in the left side pocket.

345 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #341 Sharmuta
giggling.

346 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:41pm

re: #290 gymnast

You're welcome; had to step away for a moment. I hope everyone reads the Kurtz article and passes the information along as a supplement to the tape; it provides a broader look that's a bit harder to refute.

347 FightingBack  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:42pm

I don't think this will help. There are enough folks who are hoping to be the slackers who get the stolen wealth.

348 Defogger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:45pm

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey

Do not forget, folks, that there are a lot of people sucking at the government teat already, to whom Obama's words will sound like hog heaven.

And they vote too. Sometimes, thanks to ACORN, several times.

Even among the majority of hard-working Americans who take nothing from the government, there are too many who do not understand the language of Marxism. They think, "Isn't that nice; he wants to help the poor," or some such thing. They have NO IDEA how dangerous these words are!

349 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:02:59pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Has his own salute - Check

Well, it's not his own salute.

350 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:08pm

re: #218 Promethea

I wonder if Sam Zell is in on the con, along with George Soros. Maybe Obama promised these multibillionaires that their wealth wouldn't be confiscated. They aren't the "little people" so they don't have to worry. In fact, they think they'll get richer and more powerful.

Of course you're right. They could give a rat's ass about Barack, it's all about their own selfish goals.

351 n in wi  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:10pm

re: #332 vxbush

See, this is the most obvious reason why it's all so stupid. If my grandmother was right, I have black and Indian blood--but you could never guess it, just by looking at me.

It's all so stupid.

What about the Africans who sold other tribe members, do they kick in some $ ?

352 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:23pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

Very good.
*thumbs up*

353 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:30pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

No, the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

Goodnight.

354 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:46pm

ok so we have it sent to O'reilly, hannity, wjtvnews, Levin. Clintonforum,
Kurtz?

355 herewegoagain  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:03:51pm

re: #173 Idle Drifter

Zombie's post about William Ayers' Forgotten Communist Manifesto: Prairie Fire may shed some light on Obama's view of the Constitution and his desire to see it changed for his purposes. I noted a passage where Ayers said, "our job is to tap discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism." Ayers also said, "We have an urgent responsibility: to destroy imperialism from within in order to help free the world and ourselves from its grasp."

I googled "people against imperialism" and found a Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression : A New Storm Against Imperialism dated April 16, 1968. In his statement Mao states, "Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system... Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation"

Is this what Obama meant when he said in 1995 that "my salvation is tied to their salvation"? Is his salvation tied to the destruction of our colonialist, imperialist system? Can he legislate a change in the Constitution to accomplish his goals?

356 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:18pm

To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.

357 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:04:41pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I've never used the ShareThis button before, Charles. I just sent it to our local conservative morning talk show host on KKTX.

Thanks for bring this up.

358 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

That's a picture of a model I got off LGF.

I didn't think you would be the kind to sport a Kaffiyeh.

359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:17pm
360 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:20pm

re: #307 Sharmuta

Digg it, Folks.

I done dugg.

361 FortunateSon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:26pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I do like the smell of my hair treatment. The pleasing odor is half the point.

362 PaxAmericana  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:54pm

This was from 2001.

Barry has been campaigning for over a year.

Why is this stuff coming out now, a few weeks before the election? The Republicans really dropped the ball on this.

363 jaunte  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:05:55pm

re: #355 herewegoagain

Rashid Khalidi is one 'friend of Obama' who is definitely interested in taking down the "American Empire."

364 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:16pm

re: #335 Moe Katz

So, nu, what was the consensus?

Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.

365 Van Helsing  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:24pm

re: #324 mama winger

Couldn't say it better. Our best to little winger.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:25pm

re: #336 Yankee Division Son

I posted this a few threads ago...

1995 Obama Race Baiting Video Discovered

My god, I am scared. The thought of him as our next president scares me like nothing I have felt before. I won't let the fear paralyze me though, I'm going to see to it that both of these clips are played tomorrow at work. If this does not sway people from voting for Obama, nothing will.

367 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:06:53pm

re: #324 mama winger

Yes sir. Yes sir. And when our sons took that oath, I bet you were the same as me - whispering it under my own breath.

I may not wear a uniform, but I am a warrior just the same. As are you. As are we all. We are a formidable force, and we WILL PREVAIL.

I took that oath in 1960. I no longer wear the uniform, but the oath is still part of me, and will be until the day I die.

368 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:14pm

re: #364 dentate

Israel will be cut loose. No one wanted to think about what would happen next.

Thanks. I worry about that too.

369 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:19pm

re: #317 gmsc

Dugg! I also like that picture in your profile. You're very pretty!

Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)

///ducks

370 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:24pm
371 Scion9  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:34pm

re: #116 Mich-again


I disagree with Obama's very pessimistic view of the US Constitution. It is not by any stretch a charter of negative liberties. Sod off swampy.

Here is what Obama was referring to, in regards to the philosophical core of the Constitution. His appraisal of it being a 'charter of negative liberties' is apt.

372 ArmyWife  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:43pm

It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:07:59pm
374 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:03pm

Sharmuta, you seem to have some insight into the"puma" force, how big do you think they will be in this election? I have gone to some you have recommended and they seem pretty determined to see Obama defeated. How many do you think there really are?

375 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:05pm

re: #322 thebigolddog

I don't think I'e chared my list here before. This seems like a good time:


* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,

Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!

376 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:25pm

i'm 1/8 cherokee.
i want my my money
/

i wonder if the grifter has any idea how many americans this is going to potentially affect?"
he is out of his mind.

377 Indypendent  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:08:46pm

I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!

378 Soona'  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:02pm

Good night, all.

379 JacksonTn  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:14pm

It does not surprise me that some people want this redistribution of wealth ....a few years ago my husband and I were driving around in Chattanooga looking at property and we were in a car we don't drive on the farm ......we drove through a neighborhood where we were thinking of buying some rental property and we actually had two houses of people throw trash at us and yell .......Give us some money ...No joking .....we never went back there again .....

380 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:20pm

My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!

381 cliffster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:23pm

re: #373 taxfreekiller

Push, Push, Push.

last lap gut it out

Pain is temporary. Defeat lasts an eternity.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:28pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!

Why do I keep thinking of leopards and spots.

383 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!

Welcome Indy

384 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:36pm

OK- I also sent this to the Hillary Clinton Forum. Hopefully on of the admins will share this video.

385 Globular Cluster  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:51pm

re: #313 dentate

Interesting discovery came to light at my Conservative shul today. Our entire weekday minyan is made up of McCain supporters. The special-event-only members who never attend services are the ones with the Obama stickers in Hebrew on their bumpers.

Which is most of your shul.

386 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:09:52pm

re: #339 doppelganglander

I think a lot of black voters certainly think that's what's going to happen. I know at least one lizard, I can't remember who, posted a story of being treated very rudely in a grocery line by a black woman who said the tables would be turned under Obama and he'd see what it's like. I really don't see how he could pull off anything that blatant without throwing a bone to low-income whites and Hispanics, but I agree there's a plan afoot to redistribute our wealth as stealth reparations.

As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"

387 profitsbeard  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:08pm

Obama- the little Red schoolhouse... all growed up.

388 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:34pm

Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.

389 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #385 Globular Cluster

Which is most of your shul.

Exactly. Including the rabbi.

390 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:41pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

391 nyc redneck  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:42pm

re: #380 nigella

My husband is 1/12 Cherokee. Where is his money? We want our reparations!

see my #376,
lol,
gmta

392 solomonpanting  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:49pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!

As someone posted

"What's black and white and red all over?"

393 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:10:59pm

re: #373 taxfreekiller

Push, Push, Push.

last lap gut it out

Isaiah 40

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

394 gmsc  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:11pm

re: #369 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wow, Sharmuta is NOT a guy! ;)

///ducks

Of course not! Otherwise, the screenname would be "Sharmuto".

395 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:33pm

re: #370 Sharmuta

Unfortunately Sharmuta, its a moonbat hangout now.

396 vxbush  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:34pm

re: #372 ArmyWife

It about that time where I turn into a pumpkin. You guys carry on this fight without me, though, ok?

Oh. I am so past that point. Carry on the good fight, dear lizards. Sleep beckons.

397 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:36pm

I have seen a picture of Sharmuta.

She is very pretty and appears very dedicated to her cause; a cause which we share.

/.02

398 Muadib  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:11:49pm

All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.

399 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:01pm

re: #390 Ojoe

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

My thoughts exactly.

400 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:08pm

re: #388 Mich-again

Obama's biggest problem is that he can't be a real anti-establishment guy from the seat of power. His power is greatest only when his loyalists see it as being denied. It is the classic "dog finally catches car" syndrome.
He is going to be an embarrassment as President because he doesn't really want the job. He really wants to be the agitator who was denied the position.

Hopefully he will get his wish.

401 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:11pm
402 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:19pm

re: #371 Scion9

It is on one section, but that is not the main focus of the Constitution. They didn't even think to include the BOR until the Amendments were added.

403 Iron Fist  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:31pm

re: #398 Muadib


All I am saying is "give war a chance"...

404 transient  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:34pm

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

405 notutopia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:12:52pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

My GREAT concern as well. He'll have the most liberal hitter in those seats.
The constitution and this country will be so vulnerable to marxist ideation!
Scares me like nothing else before!

406 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #404 transient

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

My Canadian bank checking account.

407 Ojoe  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:06pm

re: #399 Yankee Division Son

It is with great effort that my comments about Mr. Obama remain civil here.

Goodnight again, really I'm too sleepy.

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:28pm

re: #377 Indypendent

I'm just thinkin'....Once a Communist, always a Communist!

That is not true. Some people have left communism for good. David Horowitz is a good example, as was Whittaker Chambers. I'm afraid that you are error.

409 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:34pm
410 willowone  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:36pm

because the oppressed people simply did not realize their true class interests

411 mama winger  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:37pm

re: #404 transient

So what's a good place outside the country to park money if he wins?

You have two months to think about that between election day and inauguration day. Right now - focus on winning this election.

412 dentate  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:39pm

re: #375 ErislDysnomia

As one Jewish doctor I used to respect said the other day,

Yes, he has bad points ... but, we need change!

Three Jewish doctors of the seven of us in my department, all McCain supporters. We DO exist. But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican. Most people still look at the label on the can, and don't read the ingredients.

413 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:46pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

To tell the truth, Tigger- I'm not in KC. I've changed my Digg location a few times, because I don't really want the Diggbats to know where I am. But I do love KC- spent lots of time there. Tell the Plaza I said "hi" and wave to the Horsey fountain for me.

I like the Wild Boar fountain myself. As a kid we took my dad's folks to Putsch's on the Plaza every Sunday and I'd toss a penny or two into the fountain.

Then they moved Putsch's to the Blue Ridge Mall and we went there for a while ... then the Mall went into a long decline ... and now the Mall is gone and a Wal-Mart is in its place, with a bunch of other new shops and restaurants and a Lowe's on the way ... and the Blue Ridge Cinema across 40 Highway is boarded up and the parking lot overgrown with weeds ...

All this change makes me feel old!

But the Boar is still there!

414 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:13:56pm

re: #406 Moe Katz

My Canadian bank checking account.

Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)

415 thebigolddog  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:01pm

re: #375 ErislDysnomia

Wow. Just wow.

416 Killer Tomato  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:04pm

Sent it to the morning and afternoon drive time talk show hosts on a Boston station.

417 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:30pm

re: #390 Ojoe

He insults the whites that died for black freedom in the Civil War.

Enough, Mr. Obama

My ancestors (dad's side) were part of the Underground Railroad, fought for the GAR, and never owned a slave. My mom's side didn't arrive until 1880.
I just might chose jail over paying reparations.

418 Muadib  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:31pm

re: #403 Iron Fist

All I am saying is "give war a chance"...

There's a time for peace, and a time for war.

419 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:44pm
420 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:14:51pm

JacksonTn, I understand where you are coming from. I live in Northern Ca. and it never ceases to amaze me that when I have gone to areas around us with lower income folks, I have seen people just sitting in front of their homes, garbage in the streets and around them and ignoring it. I cant' say I am rich, but I can say I have seen my share of lower rent homes as I aged, and I never would have allowed such filth to surround me. It's as if they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.It sounds confusing I'm sure but when I said I've seen my share of lower rent homes I mean I lived in them.

421 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:04pm

If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)

422 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:12pm

re: #414 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, I need your PIN and ATM card so I can deposit the funds for ya. ;)

Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria....

423 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:14pm

re: #386 dentate

As folks have pointed out here numerous times, Obama is not a descendant of slaves, not even rooted in the same part of Africa. His white ancestors were slave owners. Is he planning to pay reparations to his wife and daughters?
"Daddy, can I have my allowance now?"

Ha! Seriously, one of the many things I despise about him is the way he decided to assume the role of aggrieved African-American solely out of political expediency. In seeking to appear "authentic," he reveals his phoniness.

424 Idle Drifter  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:26pm

re: #252 Charles

Spread this around the Internet, folks. It's why we have the ShareThis button. Post it to every social networking site you can.

It's important. This is our last chance to prevent America from making a really really bad decision.

I sent this video w/ a transcript, big thanks to Soona' , to every family member both blue and red on my private e-mail. I'm waiting for the backlash I can here those screaming sirens coming from above.

425 theblakester  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:41pm

Caught Red handed, with hand in the cookie jar!

426 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:15:58pm

re: #412 dentate

But I cannot persuade my own mother, who tells me I have "forgotten where I came from" when I support a Republican.

Have you asked her, who freed the slaves?

427 Nancy  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:06pm

I listened to it with mouth gapping open! He's a lawyer and a legislator and he actually believes that the civil rights movement wasn't radical enough because it didn't result in changes to the constitution?

That the founding fathers were in error when they only covered what a government should NOT do and didn't include what the government MUST do?

How on earth, with any moral integrity did he take the oath of office and swear to uphold the constitution while believing that it is needs to be changed.

I believe that reason ALONE disqualifies him from holding any USA office. The oath is clearly to UPHOLD the constitution. Not seek to rewrite it or change it.

428 ErnieG  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:10pm

re: #422 Moe Katz

Which I am to send to an address in Nigeria....

We'll be rich, I tell you, rich!

429 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:27pm

re: #413 Tigger2005

Both sets of my grandparents met and married in KC. It's a very special city to me, which is why I selected it as my digg location. I hope at some point soon I can get there for another visit- maybe we can meet up for a drink.

430 nigella  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:16:53pm

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

431 jetprop  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm

re: #398 Muadib

All 0bama is saying is give Marxism a chance.

/"We're the one's we've been waiting for.."

432 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:07pm
433 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:15pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

If I hear one more..' Hi my name is Barack Obama, CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, and I approve this message...' ad on TV I think i will go insane..How much money does this dude have? The ads are constant..
/cherry kool aid is my favorite..:)

He added that after the "presidential seal" fiasco.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:20pm

re: #379 JacksonTn

There is an area of Chattanooga, poor area, has a name (something)town, I've been driving myself crazy trying to think of the name. If you know Chattanooga you might know what I'm talking about. Do you know?

435 jorline  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:22pm

Good night, Lizards...see you in the morning.

436 Dasher  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

And of course, the irony is that Obama's black ancestors weren't slaves in America; his white ancestors owned some, though (IIRC)

I don't think he cares if they were descendants from slaves or not, as long as they are "black".

437 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #430 nigella

I agree with all those who are sick of all Obama all the time. I guess you know he has his own cable channel. All Obama 24/7

Barf!

438 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Oct 26, 2008 8:17:23pm

This thread has inspired me to change my avatar to a p