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Politico: Yes, We're Biased. So What?

Media | Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:15:12 am PDT

Politico reporters Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris examine the claim that the media are overwhelmingly biased against the McCain campaign, conclude that it’s true, and then sum up their response in two words: “So what?”

Why McCain is getting hosed in the press.

OK, let’s just get this over with: Yes, in the closing weeks of this election, John McCain and Sarah Palin are getting hosed in the press, and at Politico.

And, yes, based on a combined 35 years in the news business we’d take an educated guess — nothing so scientific as a Pew study — that Obama will win the votes of probably 80 percent or more of journalists covering the 2008 election. Most political journalists we know are centrists — instinctually skeptical of ideological zealotry — but with at least a mild liberal tilt to their thinking, particularly on social issues.

So what?

You see, political journalists are a special breed of human being.

Responsible editors would be foolish not to ask themselves the bias question, especially in the closing days of an election.

But, having asked it, our sincere answer is that of the factors driving coverage of this election — and making it less enjoyable for McCain to read his daily clip file than for Obama — ideological favoritism ranks virtually nil.

The main reason is that for most journalists, professional obligations trump personal preferences. Most political reporters (investigative journalists tend to have a different psychological makeup) are temperamentally inclined to see multiple sides of a story, and being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy.

So there you have it. Stop complaining about bias, and accept the opinions of your betters, America.

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1 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:08am

jump in the f'n bay

2 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:31am

I just love it when people tell me what to think.

3 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:52am
So what?

Wow! That is so intellectually brilliant, they've convinced me. I'm voting 0bama!

4 nigella  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:18:20am

Scary isn't it?

5 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:18:41am

I cannot wait for this nightmare to end.

This is only a dream .... isn't it?

6 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:18:43am
7 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:04am

This explanation would explain editorial slants, but does not explain why the media has ignored Wright, Acorn, Rezco, etc.

8 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:11am
9 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:17am
ideological favoritism ranks virtually nil.

The main reason is that for most journalists, professional obligations trump personal preferences.

And denial is just a river in Egypt.

10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:56am

Bloody peasants. Get back to your shanties!

11 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:20:29am

The MSM has assumed the role of King Maker and now are the front ranks of the Royalist corps.

12 Bobibutu  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:21:02am

Dear Messieurs VandeHei and Harris,

So what? Suck rocks you arrogant asses.

Oh - and thank you for at least being honest.

But suck rocks just the same.

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:21:19am

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

Do I have a candidate for you!

I got your candidate right here!

14 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:22:44am

I have this to say to the politico:

"When I want your opinion I will beat it out of you!"

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:23:01am

re: #9 Sharmuta

And denial is just a river in Egypt.

No, their professional obligations just happen to be to ensure Obama is anointed as King for Life and Holy Messiah. There is no difference between the professional and personal.

///

16 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:23:11am

"being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy."

They are detached from reality relatively easily.

They want to say that I am a racist because I claim that I am repulsed by Obama for his support of:

Infanticide
Anti-white racism
Socialism
High Taxes
Reduced sentences for violent criminals
Voter fraud
A Weakened Millitary

17 StinkHammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:23:39am

re: #3 Sharmuta

Wow! That is so intellectually brilliant, they've convinced me. I'm voting 0bama!

Not only that, but the astute political intellectual Kevin Costner is an Obama endorser, so I guess I'd better re-think my opposition to the Socialism-spouting Illinois senator, too . . .

18 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:03am

re: #16 DistantThunder

Racist!

19 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:45am

Sarah Palin in jeans, rocking out to “Redneck Woman”

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

20 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:59am

Frankly, I beginning to get discouraged.

21 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:25:31am

Oh- this is classic:

Before answering the question, indulge us in noting that the subject of ideological bias in the news media is a drag. The people who care about it typically come at the issue with scalding biases of their own. Any statement journalists make on the subject can and will be used against them. So the incentive is to make bland and guarded statements. Even honest ones, meanwhile, will tend to strike partisans as evasive or self-delusional.

Talking about media bias is a drag, because that would mean taking a look at themselves, which they don't want to do.

And yes- you guys are self-delusional when everyone can see the 800 lb. gorilla yet you don't. PLEASE keep telling yourselves you're professionals. All the way to bankruptcy court and the unemployment line.

22 joncelli  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:25:53am
But, having asked it, our sincere answer is that of the factors driving coverage of this election — and making it less enjoyable for McCain to read his daily clip file than for Obama — ideological favoritism ranks virtually nil.

This is astonishing. Can he really believe this or does he think we're morons?

23 David Simon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:25:58am
Most political journalists we know are centrists — instinctually skeptical of ideological zealotry — but with at least a mild liberal tilt to their thinking, particularly on social issues.

Um, that would make them not centrist, Oxymoron.

24 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:36am

They're the deciders. They choose what you're supposed to think, and if you suggest differently, you're told to pound sand.

Nice. Classy. And disastrous to the bottom line.

You think that this has anything to do with why the media is so damned defensive these days? I do.

The public is turned off by a media that claims objectivity but is anything but. They're in the tank for Obama and are going to say and write anything to help Obama cross the line as President. They'll sit on stories and reports that could potentially bear bad news for Obama (see Charles' last post for that), and will opine and push poll to not measure public opinion but rather to shape it.

When you repeatedly see polls that don't provide internals, or those that do show oversampling of Democrats time and time again, it's a measurable bias that is pervasive and overwhelming. The media elites might all be liberals and some might want to act liberal to fit in, but the rest of the country isn't so liberal and isn't kind to condescension and denigration as they are browbeaten as being racist if they don't vote a certain way or that they're just ignorant or rednecks, or bitter and clingy to their guns and religion.

This kind of view is firmly in hold in places like the NYT, where the Board pushes these positions and tries to explain away the disastrous bottom line as someone else's fault except their own. There's a reason that newspapers and media outlets keep folding or cutting jobs and belt-tightening, and it isn't just because the advertising revenues are down. People simply aren't reading the papers or watching the news. They've tuned out the noise. And they're not going to start tuning back in until the media outlets start showing their customers some respect.

25 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:37am

When liberal-agenda media transitions into government mouthpiece propaganda media, we are in worse trouble than we are now. That transition may be only a week away.

26 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #14 Ford_Prefect

I have this to say to the politico:

"When I want your opinion I will beat it out of you!"

Politico says to you: "When I want your opinion, I will tell you what it should be."

27 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:46am

re: #17 StinkHammer

At this point I am not sure that I believe any of the statements coming out of Hollywood about who the celebs support. The tilt there is so big that many of them have probably said they support Obama just because they are afraid that if they don't they will never work again. Lame, I know, but I am sure it happens.

28 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:53am

So many trees. So many "journalists".

29 StinkHammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:56am
Why McCain is getting hosed in the press.

I wasn't aware that the word "hosed" had acquired legitimate status for use in journalistic discourse. But then, journalistic discourse is far from a respectable endeavor anymore.

30 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:01am
31 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:03am

re: #22 joncelli
Yes, and yes.

32 Dave the.....  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:11am

When Politico first was started, they were suppose to be an objective alternative to shallow old media. Heard a couple of interviews by the founders (on Hugh Hewitt?) and he/they seemed fine.

I've noticed this fall the bias. Or at least the article selection in my local paper. All Palin bashing, all the time.

33 ointmentfly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:15am

Journalists are liberal by nature. They all get out of school to change the world, level the playing field, help the helpless, blah blah. What they find is that just repoprting the news is pretty powerless. Reporting biased news in order to elect somebody that will use the power of government to redistribute wealth gives them that feeling of power they crave.

34 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:41am

re: #20 markx

Frankly, I beginning to get discouraged.

I'll get discouraged when I'm dead. Until then the least I can do is fight the good fight.

35 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:27:56am

re: #16 DistantThunder

"being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy."

They are detached from reality relatively easily.

They want to say that I am a racist because I claim that I am repulsed by Obama for his support of:

Infanticide
Anti-white racism
Socialism
High Taxes
Reduced sentences for violent criminals
Voter fraud
A Weakened Millitary

PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES VOTING FOR THIS TICKET ARE ENABLING THE ABOVE! YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN HANGING AROUND KIDS WHOSE PARENTS SUPPORT THIS STUFF? YOU WANT TO HANG OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS STUFF IS OK? YOU WANT YOUR KIDS TAUGHT IN SCHOOL BY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS STUFF? THAT THIS RACE IS THIS CLOSE IS SICKENING. rant off

36 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:28:42am
37 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:28:50am

I have pegged Obama and Ayers and their gang as

Political Predators.

They have preyed on schoolchildren like jackals on a wildebeast carcass.

38 yesandno  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:29:02am

This is the mouthings of an idiot.

The only cause that Obama has in this election is IDEOLOGCAL. That is what makes him scary. He believes in the ideology so he cannot accept that the surge worked, or that Blacks and minorities are not being exploited (except by the likes of him), or that parents know best for their children.

He is an IDEOLOGUE. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sick of being referred to as a zealot like it was some type of thing found in the sewer...particularly when the stench comes from the other side where this idiot is standing.

39 jaunte  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:29:13am

"...being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy."

Next step, detachment from reality. Keep rearranging the deck chairs, boys. There's bound to be a combination that will fool the iceberg.

40 StinkHammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:29:14am

re: #20 markx

Frankly, I beginning to get discouraged.

Then you'd be well served to avoid National Review Online today -- it seems the general tenor of their main articles is analysing McCain's impending defeat.

41 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:29:24am

The magic is in what you declare to be the "center". If you think that political opinion runs from Left to Right with Marxist-Leninist Socialism on the Left and National Socialism on the right, then there's not much room in your political spectrum for, say, a laizez faire free market Capitolist philosophy.

Most reporters are to the Right of, say, V.I. Lenin, so they are "centerist". Only don't call them Socialists. It hurts their little feelings. The might want you dragged off to a re-education camp for your insensitivity.

42 dhg4  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:29:29am

re: #7 DeafDog

This explanation would explain editorial slants, but does not explain why the media has ignored Wright, Acorn, Rezco, etc.

Harris and Van Der Hei were also saying that since McCain is running a worse campaign than Obama, the stories about the campaign necessarily favor Obama. It doesn't explain DeafDog's point about why the media has avoided probing too deeply into Sen. Obama's past associations. Even the LA Times story shows a lack of initiative on the part of the MSM.

The biggest complaint against President Bush by the media, political and academic know-it-alls is that he's "incurious." i.e. that he is unwilling to examine his beliefs. I believe that charge is false, but it certainly applies to the MSM regarding the Obama campaign.

43 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:01am

re: #5 unreconstructed rebel

I cannot wait for this nightmare to end.

This is only a dream .... isn't it?

The nightmare has not yet begun... This is only the campaign... Once The One wins, the media will have unchecked power... 'They' will feel that they've done it...

44 just another four-letter word  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:41am

Resistance is futile! You WILL be assimilated!

The Borg? The Democratic Party? Karl Marx? Politico?

Pick one or more of the above.

JAFLW

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:42am
46 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:49am

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'll get discouraged when I'm dead. Until then the least I can do is fight the good fight.

Right on, brother!

47 Arbalest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:56am

"So what?" - Politico reporters Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris

This is a bit of good news. It means that you and the rest of the MSM are no longer journalists / reporters / members of the press.

You are advertisers / propagandists:
- no longer entitled to press credentials and access.
- no longer covered by shield laws
- etc.

48 StinkHammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:12am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

At this point I am not sure that I believe any of the statements coming out of Hollywood about who the celebs support. The tilt there is so big that many of them have probably said they support Obama just because they are afraid that if they don't they will never work again. Lame, I know, but I am sure it happens.

Speculation (from what I understand) for some time has been that Costner is actually a Republican. Perhaps he wanted to definitively dispell that rumor.

49 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:15am

"Centrist" now means anti-war, anti-military, apoplectic green, soft-core socialist.

50 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:29am

re: #28 maddogg

Not enough rope.

51 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #26 markx

Politico says to you: "When I want your opinion, I will tell you what it should be."

And I will tell them where they can put it. I am tired of these arrogant elitists telling me what the politically correct thing to say or do is. I would like to see things from their point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my *ss.

52 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #40 StinkHammer


Thanks for the heads up........ jeez.......

I guess I'll have to just continue to cling to my guns and religion.

53 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:34am
54 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:44am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I've tried to tell them. They don't want to hear it; they don't believe it.

All they do is look at you with glazed eyes and say, "He will end the failed policies of the Bush administration, and restore America's standing in the world."

Just like Jimmy Carter.

55 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:53am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I've tried to tell them. They don't want to hear it; they don't believe it.

All they do is look at you with glazed eyes and say, "He will end the failed policies of the Bush administration, and restore America's standing in the world."

We must be related. We have the same relatives.

56 joncelli  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:32:20am

re: #33 ointmentfly

Reporting biased news in order to elect somebody that will use the power of government to redistribute wealth gives them that feeling of power they crave.

And, of course, they'll get a government bailout, and maybe permanent jobs at the new government-owned media conglomerate, if they toe the line.

57 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:32:22am

re: #50 Iron Fist

Not enough rope.

I'm really into rope recycling.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:32:51am

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire Northeast got absolutely paralyzed by a snowstorm next tuesday?

59 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:17am

re: #33 ointmentfly

Journalists are liberal by nature. They all get out of school to change the world, level the playing field, help the helpless, blah blah. What they find is that just repoprting the news is pretty powerless. Reporting biased news in order to elect somebody that will use the power of government to redistribute wealth gives them that feeling of power they crave.

I don't remember seeing any of these bastards names on a ballot - I didn't vote for them to provide their opinion and slant. They're no different than Pravda was and they're proud of it........

60 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:27am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire Northeast got absolutely paralyzed by a snowstorm next tuesday?

that would be bush's fault

61 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #30 taxfreekiller

Dear Potlicko's

lol

62 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:39am

Steps in rationalizing groups like HLF or Muslim Brotherhood.

Step 1: They aren't terrorists.
Step 2: They are somewhat affiliated with terrorists, but they are the good wing, not the killing wing.
Step 3: Yes, they kill. What of it? You would too.

Steps in rationalizing media bias.

Step 1: We're not biased.
Step 2: We are members of leftist groups offline, but it doesn't affect our work.
Step 3: Yes, we're biased. What of it?

63 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:53am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire Northeast got absolutely paralyzed by a snowstorm next tuesday?

How about frogs, boils, burning hail and darkness?

64 razorbacker  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:33:53am

re: #20 markx

Frankly, I beginning to get discouraged.

Don't give up.

"I never gave up neither. They caught my mule and made him give up. Probably got him pulling a wagon up in Kansas somewheres." (from The Outlaw Josie Wales)

65 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:34:04am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire Northeast got absolutely paralyzed by a snowstorm next tuesday?

It wouldn't matter. The courts would postpone the election until the Obamaites all made their X's .

66 Pyrocles  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:34:18am

He thinks we're morons.

re: #22 joncelli

This is astonishing. Can he really believe this or does he think we're morons?

67 rudi  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:10am

So let me get this straight--

80% of "reporters" will vote for Obama, and yes, we are biased in favor of Obama, but we're special because our "professional obligations trump personal preferences?"

I'm getting dizzy.

68 Outrider  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:33am

Another case of bias in the media......and law enforcement.

Has this story been posted here yet?

Governor Palin hanged in effigy

Los Angeles sheriff's officials say the Halloween display isn't a hate crime.

(snip)

...Whitmore said that potential hate crimes are evaluated on a case-by-case basis. If the same display had been made of a Barack Obama-like doll, for example, authorities would have to evaluate it independently, Whitmore said...

Give me a break. I am so freaking tired of two sets of standards in this country. One for Democrats and the other for Republicans.

I realize I posted this in the last thread, but I always seem to catch the butt end of a thread when I find something. (shrug)

69 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:36am

re: #26 markx

Politico says to you: "When I want your opinion, I will tell you what it should be."


And the response should be "if I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you"....

//

70 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:40am
for most journalists, professional obligations trump personal preferences

They actually believe this.
/cue Twilight Zone music

71 Last Mohican  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:45am
Most political journalists we know are centrists

I think this is worse than a lie -- it's actually the truth. By that I mean that most political journalists seem to have such severe reality impairment, bordering on psychosis, that they really believe that their narrow little far-left radical view of the world is the only possible correct one. So everything else is either too far to the left, or too far to the right, or otherwise so wrong that it must be suppressed, at all costs, lest the truth be overshadowed.

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:00am

Obama pic of the day....
Yahoo pic


Palestinian Ibrahim Abu Jayab, 24, is seen next to his computer, in his family house in Nusayrat refugee camp, central Gaza Strip, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2008. A young Palestinian in a Gaza refugee camp is doing his part to get out the vote for Barack Obama. With a little help from the Internet, 24-year-old Ibrahim Abu Jayab is cold calling random American families from his parent's home imploring them to vote Obama.

Destroying us from within.

73 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:06am

My wife is a journalist. Among her crowd, there is no occupation more looked down upon than that of publicist. And now, that's what they are. I'll just wait a moment for the agony of the full realization to hit...3...2...1...still waiting...

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:09am
75 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:19am
76 StinkHammer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:25am

re: #64 razorbacker

"I never gave up neither. They caught my mule and made him give up. Probably got him pulling a wagon up in Kansas somewheres." (from The Outlaw Josie Wales)

GREAT movie -- eminently quotable.

"He ain't a hard man to track -- he leaves dead men wherever he goes."

77 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:28am

These people are engaged in some type of rescue fantasy. They have failed in many aspects of their own lives, and they prefer to believe that the ANSWER is out THERE.

This is typical of people who come to counseling. People want to know how they can get other people to change instead of changing themselves. Often they don't like hearing that the solution is to change themselves first. You have to feed it to them little my little like solid food to a baby.

Some quit counseling rather then face the fact that they have the power to make themselves happy and successful.

78 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:29am

Yer too stupid to have an opinion, that's why we have journalists.

79 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:39am

This is further evidence of former GOP supporters who want to see the party crash & burn and be driven into the political wilderness for a decade or more because they do not like either the candidate, his running mate, or the way the campaign has been run.

My message to them is to STFU. The country needs to have one party controlling the at least one branch of the government; to have one party controlling the Hill and the White House is never a good thing--especially where there is a chance of a super-majority.

McCain will never be able to take the GOP where he wants it to go. He won't have the physical or political strength. His running mate is the future of the party and she (if elected) will be his successor.

A crash & burn is not necessary--but some cancerous growths (Hello, soon to be ex-Senator Stevens) need to be excised. So, all of you who support BHO because the current ticket isn't your intellectual cup of tea, let's see how well you fare either way for your perfidy.

80 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:41am

re: #69 LGoPs

And the response should be "if I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you"....

//

See my # 14

81 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:42am

Don't get excited but ...

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

We are down to 2 points in the Gallup Traditional poll.

82 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:18am

re: #5 unreconstructed rebel

Like Alice in Wonderland.

83 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:21am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I agree. I have a friend that is voting Obama, one that probably will and one that is still undecided. Every time we get together and drink, it ends up in a major "discussion" until I get to the point where I say "enough - I can't talk about this with you any more." I mean, there is absolutely no trying to discuss things. Every time I bring something up - it is a lie, it goes back to Bush, it is not how it works. (Like trickle down economics and tax cuts - according to one, they don't work. This from someone who has an MBA!) I just shake my head and laugh.

84 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:34am

re: #41 Iron Fist

Their heads tilt so far to the left that their "true north" really runs about WNW.

85 JacksonTn  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:37am

re: #20 markx

Frankly, I beginning to get discouraged.

Way to go .....they are getting you right where they want you..Stop with the negative vibes ..... why don't you go out and drive someone to the polls ...we have to Get Out the Vote to keep these people from doing this .....

86 Peacekeeper  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:38:01am

I know I'm cynical, but I want to spread the cynicism around.

87 jemima  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:38:13am
The main reason is that for most journalists, professional obligations trump personal preferences. Most political reporters (investigative journalists tend to have a different psychological makeup) are temperamentally inclined to see multiple sides of a story, and being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy.

Yeah like the rest of you a**holes. Like say Israeli doctors treating terrorists who just lit off a bomb in the hospital lobby.

This is stunning arrogance. Temperamentally inclined, huh? Being detached from their opinions?

This guy's on drugs, right? No one in their right mind and who is not undergoing psychiatric treatment could say something so detached from reality.

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:38:52am

The bias is so strong that even in a "thoughtful" "analysis" of the bias that the MSM supposedly has, politico still has to find ways to denigrate McCain and his campaign while acting as a starry-eyed fluffer for Obama. This crap is becoming pornographic.

89 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:05am

I don't know who these jackholes think they are but no one tells me what to think. They are not being paid to tell me their opinions because I don't care.
They don't like it? So what!

90 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:11am

re: #73 Pullus Iulius

Publicist for FICTION!
EDITORS are the Worst!

91 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:26am

re: #71 Last Mohican

I think this is worse than a lie -- it's actually the truth. By that I mean that most political journalists seem to have such severe reality impairment, bordering on psychosis, that they really believe that their narrow little far-left radical view of the world is the only possible correct one. So everything else is either too far to the left, or too far to the right, or otherwise so wrong that it must be suppressed, at all costs, lest the truth be overshadowed.

Not just journalists. My uber lib college professor brother thinks this.

92 JackFlack  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:30am

The 'so what' attitude speaks volumes, and its frightening where it may lead if/when the elites have control of the government.

Remove freedom of speech (Fairness Doctrine) ... so what
Remove freedom of religion ... so what
Remove freedom of thought ... so what

/shudder

93 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:43am

re: #79 calcajun

It is a bit like wanting to commit suicide so that people will have to say nice things about you at your funeral. That is actually a major motivation for the suicidal.

94 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #80 Ford_Prefect

Sorry, didn't mean to plagerize (sic?)...didn't see your comment but in full agreement, obviously.

:)

95 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:40:20am

Rush is on fire tonight.

96 rawmuse  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:40:29am

Of all the contemptible things I have ever read, that is near the top.
I have no use for these elitist poobahs.

97 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:40:42am

re: #85 JacksonTn

I think I'll be OK... that's why I come here.


BTW, I advanced voted last Wednesday. Straight GOP, voted no to retaining all of the counties judges, and no to all tax increases.

98 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:09am

re: #90 notutopia

I forgot editors. But that's more a genetic thing than it is an occupation.

99 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:19am

re: #91 redstateredneck

Not just journalists. My uber lib college professor brother thinks this.


Not just journalists. My uber lib gay special ed teacher sister who hates her brother in the Navy thinks this.

100 Brees  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:25am

Most political journalists we know are centrists — instinctually skeptical of ideological zealotry

In the paraphrased words of Joe Biden......."Are you kidding? Did you write that yourself?"

I'm sorry, Politico. I keep getting your profession confused with Democrat, Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Marxist......

101 Silhouette  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:33am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Nice "camp."

102 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:35am
OK, let’s just get this over with: Yes, in the closing weeks of this election, John McCain and Sarah Palin are getting hosed in the press, and at Politico.

And on ABCNBCCBSCNNMSNBC.........

103 razorbacker  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #76 StinkHammer

GREAT movie -- eminently quotable.

"He ain't a hard man to track -- he leaves dead men wherever he goes."

"Whenever I get to liking someone they ain't around too long."

"I notice whenever you get to not liking someone, they ain't around too long neither."

104 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:51am

It's like when I told Andrea Mitchell to her face to be nicer to Sarah Palin. She seemed shocked for a split second. It's like she had no idea anyone would ever think such a thing, much less say it out loud. And what was I, a mere plebe, thinking by telling her what to do?! I've got some nerve.

105 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:53am

Thank AlGore (heh) for the Internet, so we don't have to get ALL our news through ideological filters like Messrs VandeHai and Harris.

106 markx  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #95 Erik The Red

Rush is on fire tonight.

Can you share a little with us cubicle enslaved?

107 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #96 rawmuse

Of all the contemptible things I have ever read, that is near the top.
I have no use for these elitist poobahs.

Elitist poobahs? Dang.

108 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:42:29am

Journalists are like butt-holes. If you've seen one, you've seen them all.

109 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:42:45am

re: #99 Nevergiveup

Not just journalists. My uber lib gay special ed teacher sister who hates her brother in the Navy thinks this.

Can't pick our relatives, can we?
;-)

110 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:42:49am

re: #71 Last Mohican

I think this is worse than a lie -- it's actually the truth. By that I mean that most political journalists seem to have such severe reality impairment, bordering on psychosis, that they really believe that their narrow little far-left radical view of the world is the only possible correct one. So everything else is either too far to the left, or too far to the right, or otherwise so wrong that it must be suppressed, at all costs, lest the truth be overshadowed.

It is a trademark of narcissim - an absolute inability to see any other viewpoint......to the point that if you dispute them they think you are crazy......maddening. I used to be married to someone like that. A real nightmare.

111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:43:34am

Ah, yes. Media bias....discuss it, but never try to change it. The irony of the very institutions that are steeped in it are the ones discussing it, and doing absolutely nothing about it.. Why not let arsonists fight fire or the Mafia fight organized crime?

112 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:43:41am

re: #98 Pullus Iulius

? Genetic? Behavioral....Obsessive Compulsive!

113 Outrider  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:44:47am

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered prayers. I would love to see Obama elected so that the people who so yearn for that result would have to live with it.

Were it not for the fact that I would have to live with the consequence of their answered prayer.

I hate to say it but there is a tiny part of me that would like to see that for the same reasons. They would see their fantasies put in place only to fail miserably. And we would probably have eight to sixteen years of a Republican President. It would be worse than the Carter administration.

However; the sane, reasonable, patriotic side of me says absolutely not. We just can not afford economically, politically, or militarily to allow this abomination into the White House.

114 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:44:48am
Most political journalists we know are centrists

Interestingly, most of the people I know who are on the extreme Left consider themselves to be centrists.

115 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:44:50am

re: #43 tfc3rid

The nightmare has not yet begun... This is only the campaign... Once The One wins, the media will have unchecked power... 'They' will feel that they've done it...

No, the nightmare will be if some other idiots, like the ones arrested yesterday in Tennessee, actually do get horribly lucky and --God forbid--kill BHO--or worse just get close enough to take a shot. That will transform him into a martyr. That will be the real nightmare. Hell, if not for Lee Harvey Oswald, no one would remember JFK's "Camelot" with any fondness.

PS--I, in no way, either condone, support, wish or even fantasize about the sudden death, let alone assassination, of any of our public servants. However, keep in mind Disraeli's differentiation of the terms "misfortune" and "tragedy". "If Mr. Gladstone were to fall into the Thames, it would be a misfortune. It would be a tragedy if someone were to pull him out."

116 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:45:30am

re: #87 jemima

Yeah like the rest of you a**holes. Like say Israeli doctors treating terrorists who just lit off a bomb in the hospital lobby.

This is stunning arrogance. Temperamentally inclined, huh? Being detached from their opinions?

This guy's on drugs, right? No one in their right mind and who is not undergoing psychiatric treatment could say something so detached from reality.

I'd go further- it's like they have a personality disorder to say "so what" to the bias then turn around and try to explain how they're not biased at all. That's really warped.

117 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:03am

75 of the 230 tax liens appear to have been “released,” meaning the full debt was paid or a negotiated payment was made for the debt. The rest are outstanding.

The "shadowy network" Vadum mentioned are the hundreds of ACORN offshoots housed at ACORN's official 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue address, such as Project Vote.

me; I thought it was patriotic to pay taxes .[Link: townhall.com...]

118 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:49am

For folks wondering why some conservatives are not sold on Palin, here's a good reason - they're Beltway insiders and think that they're going to lose access, prestige, and power because Palin doesn't assert those trappings. She's the ultimate outsider to these consumate insiders, so they're taking it out on her, to the point of pushing towards Obama.

That goes for Peggy Noonan as well, who's apparently more than willing to sell her services as a writer to the highest bidder, including Obama himself.

119 Roark  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:52am

This story reminds me of Peter Jennings during the last election, when he said,

I'm a little concerned about this notion everybody wants us to be objective
120 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:55am

re: #113 Outrider

I hate to say it but there is a tiny part of me that would like to see that for the same reasons. They would see their fantasies put in place only to fail miserably. And we would probably have eight to sixteen years of a Republican President. It would be worse than the Carter administration.

However; the sane, reasonable, patriotic side of me says absolutely not. We just can not afford economically, politically, or militarily to allow this abomination into the White House.


That's assuming we can recover. The true legacy of a president is the SCOTUS he selects. We live with that for 20-30 years.....

121 yesandno  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:01am

re: #19 Nevergiveup

Sarah Palin in jeans, rocking out to “Redneck Woman”

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

I WAS THERE....IT WAS GREAT!

122 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:15am

re: #117 willowone

75 of the 230 tax liens appear to have been “released,” meaning the full debt was paid or a negotiated payment was made for the debt. The rest are outstanding.

The "shadowy network" Vadum mentioned are the hundreds of ACORN offshoots housed at ACORN's official 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue address, such as Project Vote.

me; I thought it was patriotic to pay taxes .[Link: townhall.com...]

It's ONLY patriotic for YOU to pay taxes!

123 jamie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #81 karmic_inquisitor

Don't get excited but ...

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

We are down to 2 points in the Gallup Traditional poll.

The problem with that poll is that it assumes that turnout will follow the patterns of past elections, when most indicators point to a much larger turnout. Most, if not all pundits believe this benefits Obama, but it need not be the case if the GOP's vaunted 72 Hour Program measures up this time around.

124 joncelli  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:31am

re: #105 Spiny Norman

Depends on how expansive the fairness doctrine is going to be.

125 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:46am

re: #113 Outrider

I hate to say it but there is a tiny part of me that would like to see that for the same reasons. They would see their fantasies put in place only to fail miserably. And we would probably have eight to sixteen years of a Republican President. It would be worse than the Carter administration.

However; the sane, reasonable, patriotic side of me says absolutely not. We just can not afford economically, politically, or militarily to allow this abomination into the White House.

.......and if there is a super majority in the house and senate.....well the damage the libs can do might be irreversible....and the supreme court could be broken for the next 20 30 yrs based on the appointments the obamanator may choose.

126 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:03am
127 lgfvidz  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:16am

I was beginning to forget just who the other candidate was in this election. That is until I saw the John McCain tag.

128 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:18am

re: #121 yesandno

I WAS THERE....IT WAS GREAT!

well i am officially jealous!

129 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #122 Nevergiveup
of course.

130 Outrider  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:54am

re: #120 LGoPs

That's assuming we can recover. The true legacy of a president is the SCOTUS he selects. We live with that for 20-30 years.....

True. His impact would be felt for many many years.

131 jaunte  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:04am

re: #116 Sharmuta

Even more warped: to say in succession:
"So what"
"No bias here"
"Well, some slight inclination, but nothing serious"
"We'll look into it, Mom"

132 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:15am

re: #120 LGoPs

exactly!

133 Fred72  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:25am

There is still some hope left. There are still some members of the media who are firmly rooted on our side. The reporter who nailed Biden to the wall the other day by reading him the socialist manifesto? Her husband is one of the good guys -- a Republican strategist. She also did a great interview with McCain which made it clear that -- no slight on her abilities as a journalist -- her husband advises her on questions.

I saw this as payback for the Gwen Ifill scandal. It was no coincidence that Obama "won" the debate she moderated. Easy to win when the hostess is throwing you softballs.

134 Last Mohican  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:27am

re: #99 Nevergiveup

Not just journalists. My uber lib gay special ed teacher sister who hates her brother in the Navy thinks this.

And most of my relatives. And most people I work with, or get introduced to in a social setting.

135 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:50:04am

Just listening to Rush, I had no idea that now the msm is going after Barbara West's (the anchor that quizzed o'biden) husband.

This is what will be the norm if The Zero wins.

136 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:50:05am

re: #50 Iron Fist

Not enough rope.

Um ......... I better not touch this one.

137 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:50:49am

re: #135 newsjunkie_ky

Just listening to Rush, I had no idea that now the msm is going after Barbara West's (the anchor that quizzed o'biden) husband.

This is what will be the norm if The Zero wins.

they will be going after anyone that questions them and or their motives

138 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:50:57am

re: #134 Last Mohican

And most of my relatives. And most people I work with, or get introduced to in a social setting.

Social gatherings are no longer a problem for me. I don't get invited to many anymore!

139 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:50:59am

OT:
The North Korean campaign blitz is under way.

Fox News is currently reporting that North Korea is threatening to turn South Korea into "debris" in retaliation for anti-communist party rhetoric and an increase in leaflets flowing across the border.

140 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:15am

re: #113 Outrider

This is real life, and this is my only go-round. Not a one of us is promised more than this one day, and for that reason I refuse to even consider letting a thought experiment like an Ø victory happen. I am prepared to cry all the tears necessary for my answered prayers. Which are for Senator McCain and Governor Palin.

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:16am
Most political reporters ... are temperamentally inclined to see multiple sides of a story, and being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy.

IMO, he's deliberately obfuscating. He's describing what approaches cynicism, and calls it non-partisanship, without going any further -- into real-world behavior.

142 seekeroftruth  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:18am

These two jokers are the ones who called the media Obama's secret weapon:

The difference seems clear: Many journalists are not merely observers but participants in the Obama phenomenon.

(Harris only here: As one who has assigned journalists to cover Obama at both Politico and The Washington Post, I have witnessed the phenomenon several times. Some reporters come back and need to go through detox, to cure their swooning over Obama’s political skill. Even VandeHei seemed to have been bitten by the bug after the Iowa caucus.)

(VandeHei only here: There is no doubt reporters are smitten with Obama's speeches and promises to change politics. I find his speeches, when he's on, pretty electric myself. It certainly helps his cause that reporters also seem very tired of the Clintons and their paint-by-polls approach to governing.)

143 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:52:36am

re: #137 phoenixgirl

they will be going after anyone that questions them and or their motives

Yep, and have you noticed the amount of tax reduction in the zero/plugs adm. will now be $150,000 from $250,000.

144 dhg4  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:52:41am

We've seen Orson Scott Card, Michael Malone and Michael Graham write extensively about this. Even Jake Tapper noticed a sign of it.

Rathergate four years ago seemed to have blasted a a major hole in the myth of media objectivity and probably played a role in President Bush's eventual re-election. Two years ago Fauxtography seemingly made the media scrutinize itself a little more.

But this year the media seems pretty impervious to the shamings its received in the past. Why? Have they been innoculated by the previous challenges and just figured they could weather the critiques by stonewalling? Is the candidacy of Sen. Obama so important that it trumped all other considerations (including credibility)? Or did they figure they could just reduce criticisms to being partisan attacks ("...conservative websites claimed today ...") and thus dismiss them.

What's protected the MSM from getting its comeuppance this year?

145 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:52:49am

It's not a lie if you believe it.

-George Costanza

146 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #106 markx

[Link: www.wabcradio.com...]
Is anyone else having trouble tonight? Are the hamsters dead or just need feeding?

147 johnnyreb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:53:42am

I personally think this is just another example of the media doing advance damage control. Most reliable polls show both candidates within the margin of error. That has to be scaring them big time. This goes back to 2000 and 2004. The media got spanked in both of those elections, and I think they realize that it's going to happen again.

I was talking to a friend today who happens to be black. He said he feels there are about 2-3% of Dems who are saying they will not vote for Obama even though they say they are. He called both the previous elections correct a week out, and he said this AM that McCain has it pretty much wrapped up.

148 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:53:45am
Most political reporters (investigative journalists tend to have a different psychological makeup) are temperamentally inclined to see multiple sides of a story, and being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy.
- Jim Vhat de Hey

This putz actually opines that investigative journalists have tunnel vision and lack objectivity.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

149 zato  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:54:18am

They forgot to mention that the bias results in a weaker America since they're favoring the candidate who espouses failed socialist policies. And increasingly, reasonably intelligent people refuse to take the biased political journalists seriously.

150 AuntAcid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:54:24am

re: #118 lawhawk

In a word, "venality".

151 Sharmuta  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:54:40am

re: #131 jaunte

Even more warped: to say in succession:
"So what"
"No bias here"
"Well, some slight inclination, but nothing serious"
"We'll look into it, Mom"

But.... they're professionals!

152 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:55:51am

Imagine what the next election will be like if McCain wins. The media will be saying that their bias did not effect the the election and so they will feel free to be completely out in the open about it. If you think the coverage has been bad this year just wait.

153 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:56:08am

re: #117 willowone

Why have they not been besieged upon by the Treasury for Tax evasion?
Better yet, how can they keep a valid standing as a corporate structure?
These are basic legal guidelines that have been violated.
Seems the FBI investigators need to search from the bottom up of the Acorn organizational structures financial records as well as for voter fraud!

154 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:56:44am

re: #16 DistantThunder

"being detached from their own opinions comes relatively easy."

They are detached from reality relatively easily.

They want to say that I am a racist because I claim that I am repulsed by Obama for his support of:

Infanticide
Anti-white racism
Socialism
High Taxes
Reduced sentences for violent criminals
Voter fraud
A Weakened Millitary

Also legalizing the over 20 million illegal aliens of which probably 80% will be democrat voters for life. That's at least 16 million more votes for demonrats each election.

These are the people Obama really wants to "spread the wealth" to.

This is how and why they get 90% of the black vote, because they make them dependent upon the government for there existence, and scare them into thinking that republicans will throw them out of their government housing and on to the street.

We all saw the difference between the victims of hurricane Katrina and the floods in the midwest earlier this year.

What we did NOT see in the midwest was thousands of people standing around not knowing what to do and waiting for the government to come in and "save" them, and provide trailers for them to live in, or put them up in hotels.

Okay, I'm getting way off topic. Sorry. Politico, MSM, you all suck! There, back on topic.

155 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:57:09am

If Obama wins this, his deification will begin almost immediately in our newspapers, in our pop culture, and most disturbingly, in the public schools.

It's not hard to imagine HIS image hanging on the wall of nearly every classroom in every city and town across the country.

We are on the verge of a Brave New America, and those of us who dare to not join in, can expect to be treated like relics from another time; poor idiots, too dumb or racist to know what's good for themselves.

156 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:57:33am

re: #118 lawhawk

Same goes for the swing of C. Powell.

157 Last Mohican  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:57:45am

re: #138 Nevergiveup

Social gatherings are no longer a problem for me. I don't get invited to many anymore!

I've taken to opting out of them, in order to limit my sadness and disgust. Particularly when it comes to the fanatical and seemingly unanimous commitment of American Jews to pursue their own destruction.

158 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:58:02am

re: #81 karmic_inquisitor

Don't get excited but ...

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

We are down to 2 points in the Gallup Traditional poll.

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'

Ok. So we try and spin this (the party ID for the Dems is over-represented; The Bradly Effect will kick in with a vengance...) It's not in our hands--at least not here in CA.

159 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:00am

re: #153 notutopia

yes.

160 yesandno  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:05am

Think we will race right beyond socialism into communism and then take a great right turn right into fascism......

Change you not only can believe in, you can count on it.

161 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:11am

Where's Cognito?

I'd like to hear his take on this, and the LA Times sitting on the video story. Has he been here and I just missed him?

162 jaunte  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:26am

The Character of a Journalist
(Lines from "A Face In The Crowd")

Lonesome Rhodes: This whole country's just like my flock of sheep!
Marcia Jeffries: Sheep?
Lonesome Rhodes: Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that's got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle. They don't know it yet, but they're all gonna be 'Fighters for Fuller'. They're mine! I own 'em! They think like I do. Only they're even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for 'em. Marcia, you just wait and see. I'm gonna be the power behind the president - and you'll be the power behind me!

163 Last Mohican  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:50am

re: #160 yesandno

Well, we've already lost the free press.

164 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:51am

re: #152 Ford_Prefect

Imagine what the next election will be like if McCain wins. The media will be saying that their bias did not effect the the election and so they will feel free to be completely out in the open about it. If you think the coverage has been bad this year just wait.

No, it will be more like the scene from The Sting after Paul Newman beats Robert Shaw in the card game on the train. "What was I supposed to do," Shaw screamed, "accuse him of being a better cheat than me?"

165 yesandno  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:18am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Where's Cognito?

I'd like to hear his take on this, and the LA Times sitting on the video story. Has he been here and I just missed him?

Apparently he is in the know....

would you believe the NO?

166 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:21am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Where's Cognito?

I'd like to hear his take on this, and the LA Times sitting on the video story. Has he been here and I just missed him?

Did he go on a vacation?

167 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:40am

re: #155 Ringo the Gringo

What, you don't want your grandkids going to Barak Obama Middle School?

/

168 pat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:44am

A special breed of self-congratulating ignoramuses.

169 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:52am

re: #116 Sharmuta

I'd go further- it's like they have a personality disorder to say "so what" to the bias then turn around and try to explain how they're not biased at all. That's really warped.

Orwellian, even.

170 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:00:55am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Normally see him on the DT haven't for the last week or so.

171 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:01:22am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Where's Cognito?

I'd like to hear his take on this, and the LA Times sitting on the video story. Has he been here and I just missed him?

I haven't seen him/her here in the last few days.

172 solomonpanting  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:01:59am

re: #152 Ford_Prefect

Imagine what the next election will be like if McCain wins. The media will be saying that their bias did not effect the the election and so they will feel free to be completely out in the open about it. If you think the coverage has been bad this year just wait.

I agree and I expect the lefty venom to increase, as well. I remember a somewhat tame, by today's standards, taunt upon Nixon after he lost to Kennedy:

Whistle while you work
Nixon is a jerk
Eisenhower had the power
But it didn't work

173 Spiny Norman  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:02:21am

re: #144 dhg4

But this year the media seems pretty impervious to the shamings its received in the past. Why? Have they been innoculated by the previous challenges and just figured they could weather the critiques by stonewalling? Is the candidacy of Sen. Obama so important that it trumped all other considerations (including credibility)? Or did they figure they could just reduce criticisms to being partisan attacks ("...conservative websites claimed today ...") and thus dismiss them.

Yes, absolutely yes.

174 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:02:34am

Critical thinking skills have disappeared among the general populace. But this is not surprising, if you look closely at what is happening in certain areas of our society.

High schools and colleges do not teach anymore. They lecture only on possibilities, and require that information to be filtered through a "global" mind-set. So, facts do not matter, only the effect that knowledge has on the whole world. Agenda's drive knowledge now, not truth.

Where as technology is wonderful, we have misused it, and have let it isolate each other. You cannot learn critical thinking skills if you have no interaction with other humans. The virtual world that we have surrounded ourselves with can be molded to please us, and the actualities of life can be eliminated simply by changing the background wallpapers on our computer screens and cell phones.

And no, we should not become Luddites, but advancement requires not compromising what makes us human, makes us moral and makes us different than the rest of the life on this planet.

And our media has totally jumped the shark. In almost no uncertain terms, they have exposed themselves as totally bias and working as a fifth column in our society, working for the left. The media does nothing to foster critical thinking, only lock-step acceptance of their "superior" reportage.

It is evident that the left has been working diligently over the last 50 years to remove critical thinking in our country. This current election cycle has accomplished two things, one bad, one good.

The downside of this upcoming election is it's apparent that we may end up with a Euro-styled socialism entrenched in our politics. The upside is the left has tipped their hand.

We are now seeing the infiltration of the radical left in our educational institutions and in our community level organizations. We now have a clear view of how money and influence trickles down to the left, money from sources openly and publicly hostile to our democratic republic way of governance. We have even been given some insight how the radical left is supported by sources outside of our borders.

In a sense, the radical left has come out of the closet. They are not hiding anymore. And here are some of the new rules.

You are racist if you do not agree with the left. If the left doesn’t like your questions, they will cut you off from any interviews with them. The main stream media is working with the left to suppress information, such as audio and video tapes of the presidential candidate cavorting with terrorists and socialists, and you will accept that. Children are being taught to question their parents. We see videos of young men in military gear, stomping to chants about the Democrat candidate, kindergarten aged children singing praises to him, and that is good. We have seen a multi-pronged character assassinations of Palin and her family, of a common plumber because he asked the wrong questions. We’ve seen campaign posters designed in the style of communist revolutionary art. And we have heard remarks from religious leaders, praising the Democrat candidate and attributing to him a Christ-like persona.

There is no critical thinking needed anymore. The radical left, educational institutes, the main stream media and mind-numbing technology are now telling us the who, what, where, when and how's. Enjoy your new overlords.

175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:02:38am

re: #167 Ford_Prefect

What, you don't want your grandkids going to Barak Obama Middle School?

/

What? No Barack Obama University?

176 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:02:56am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't it be awful if the entire Northeast got absolutely paralyzed by a snowstorm next tuesday?

LOL I like the way you think!

177 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:14am

re: #118 lawhawk

*rimshot*
Palin is one helluva threat. IIRC (and I could easily be mistaken), the same applied to Truman.

178 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:42am

re: #175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What? No Barack Obama University?

Only after they finish Barack Obama High School.

179 Fred72  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:45am

This may be old news but it seems that liberals can't take a joke:

[Link: www.inrich.com...]

Snopes has an image of the flier and correctly points out that it's simply political humor:

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

The newspaper article states that the state police are "looking into" the matter. Let's just hope that they're "looking into" it just to appease some sputtering democrats, and actually focusing their efforts on more important things.

Frankly, anybody who falls for this shouldn't be voting anyway. It's political darwinism. Hats off to the pranksters.

180 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:52am

re: #146 Erik The Red

Erik where are you that it's still night? Either that or you've been trying for HOURS to get in. We're being dampened by the masses of "discrete"s that are surfing through our site. Charles is working diligently to rectify the solution by begging us a bigger stadium!

181 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:04:28am

re: #163 Last Mohican

Well, we've already lost the free press.

Free my ass, they are a bunch of overpaid, spoiled, and arrogant SOBs. To bad alot of them will soon be unemployed?

182 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:04:55am

The United States of Obama.
/

183 pat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:05:12am

No matter who wins, schools named Madison, Jefferson, Washington, or Lincoln will be renamed Obama. He is held in far more regard than those 'miscreants' who miswrote The Constitution according to current leftist ideology.

184 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #144 dhg4

What's protected the MSM from getting its comeuppance this year?

Good question, one that I've been thinking too. My hunch is that the MSM is desperate and dying and clinging to the hope that an Obama presidency would bring:
1) Exclusive access, (denied to New Media and conservatives). Note how Obama treated a Florida reporter who asked tough questions to Biden the other day.
2) Potential government subsidies to the MSM (under the guise of need -- the country needs a "professional" press.
3) A delay of the inevitable, the closing of the LAT and other unprofitable papers. The MSM believes that a liberal president will somehow rehabilitate a liberal press.
4) The reinstatement of the so-called "fairness doctrine" which will be used to club their opposition.

185 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:05:33am

Journalists are subject to the law of natural selection, just like any other breed. Garbage, journalists. You are what you print.

186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:05:38am

re: #144 dhg4

We've seen Orson Scott Card, Michael Malone and Michael Graham write extensively about this. Even Jake Tapper noticed a sign of it.

...

What's protected the MSM from getting its comeuppance this year?

Nothing. You just named the harbingers of it.

187 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:05:49am

re: #167 Ford_Prefect

What, you don't want your grandkids going to Barak Obama Middle School?

/

I may be Jewish but my grandkids will go to Holy Trinity before they go to BO Middle School!

188 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #180 notutopia

I'm in South Africa 20h05 right now listening to Rush on the net and LGF very slow right now(has been here the last two days)

189 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:06:44am

re: #155 Ringo the Gringo

If Obama wins this, his deification will begin almost immediately in our newspapers, in our pop culture, and most disturbingly, in the public schools.

It's not hard to imagine HIS image hanging on the wall of nearly every classroom in every city and town across the country.

We are on the verge of a Brave New America, and those of us who dare to not join in, can expect to be treated like relics from another time; poor idiots, too dumb or racist to know what's good for themselves.

frightening

190 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:07:02am

re: #183 pat

No matter who wins, schools named Madison, Jefferson, Washington, or Lincoln will be renamed Obama. He is held in far more regard than those 'miscreants' who miswrote The Constitution according to current leftist ideology.

Yeah. Who gives a shit about a bunch of dead white men?

191 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:07:18am

re: #185 Kreuzueber Halbmond

If that is true, then they are truly among the last on the selection chain and dying off!

192 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:07:28am

re: #97 markx

I think I'll be OK... that's why I come here.


BTW, I advanced voted last Wednesday. Straight GOP, voted no to retaining all of the counties judges, and no to all tax increases.

They gave you an opportunity to vote on tax increases? How Democratic.

193 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:07:45am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Critical thinking skills have disappeared among the general populace. But this is not surprising, if you look closely at what is happening in certain areas of our society.

High schools and colleges do not teach anymore. They lecture only on possibilities, and require that information to be filtered through a "global" mind-set. So, facts do not matter, only the effect that knowledge has on the whole world. Agenda's drive knowledge now, not truth.

Where as technology is wonderful, we have misused it, and have let it isolate each other. You cannot learn critical thinking skills if you have no interaction with other humans. The virtual world that we have surrounded ourselves with can be molded to please us, and the actualities of life can be eliminated simply by changing the background wallpapers on our computer screens and cell phones.

And no, we should not become Luddites, but advancement requires not compromising what makes us human, makes us moral and makes us different than the rest of the life on this planet.

And our media has totally jumped the shark. In almost no uncertain terms, they have exposed themselves as totally bias and working as a fifth column in our society, working for the left. The media does nothing to foster critical thinking, only lock-step acceptance of their "superior" reportage.

It is evident that the left has been working diligently over the last 50 years to remove critical thinking in our country. This current election cycle has accomplished two things, one bad, one good.

The downside of this upcoming election is it's apparent that we may end up with a Euro-styled socialism entrenched in our politics. The upside is the left has tipped their hand.

We are now seeing the infiltration of the radical left in our educational institutions and in our community level organizations. We now have a clear view of how money and influence trickles down to the left, money from sources openly and publicly hostile to our democratic republic way of governance. We have even been given some insight how the radical left is supported by sources outside of our borders.

In a sense, the radical left has come out of the closet. They are not hiding anymore. And here are some of the new rules.

You are racist if you do not agree with the left. If the left doesn’t like your questions, they will cut you off from any interviews with them. The main stream media is working with the left to suppress information, such as audio and video tapes of the presidential candidate cavorting with terrorists and socialists, and you will accept that. Children are being taught to question their parents. We see videos of young men in military gear, stomping to chants about the Democrat candidate, kindergarten aged children singing praises to him, and that is good. We have seen a multi-pronged character assassinations of Palin and her family, of a common plumber because he asked the wrong questions. We’ve seen campaign posters designed in the style of communist revolutionary art. And we have heard remarks from religious leaders, praising the Democrat candidate and attributing to him a Christ-like persona.

There is no critical thinking needed anymore. The radical left, educational institutes, the main stream media and mind-numbing technology are now telling us the who, what, where, when and how's. Enjoy your new overlords.


Well stated. The only surprise is that after 50 years of this onslaught there are still roughly 50% of us who haven't been brainwashed......

194 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:07:46am

re: #17 StinkHammer

Not only that, but the astute political intellectual Kevin Costner is an Obama endorser, so I guess I'd better re-think my opposition to the Socialism-spouting Illinois senator, too . . .

He's definitely not an actor, so I guess he ought to do something.

195 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:08:19am

re: #187 Nevergiveup

I may be Jewish but my grandkids will go to Holy Trinity before they go to BO Middle School!

HA! I just noticed this.

BO middle School = B.O.M.(b)S.

196 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:08:41am

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

He's definitely not an actor, so I guess he ought to do something.

What did yo expect from somebdy with gills behind his ears?

197 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:05am

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

He's definitely not an actor, so I guess he ought to do something.

I thought he drowned during the making of "WaterWorld"?

198 Zevy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:21am

re: #157 Last Mohican

Particularly when it comes to the fanatical and seemingly unanimous commitment of American Jews to pursue their own destruction.

It's not unanimous. Like the rest of the country, the more religious, the more likely to vote for McCain. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly for McCain.

199 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:27am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

thank you for that light and uplifting bit of reading. : )
/

200 dhg4  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:31am

re: #186 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nothing. You just named the harbingers of it.

So you figure that in 2 or 4 years, the non traditional media will be able to challenge the MSM successfully?

201 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:38am

Is it possible that the rest of the world is so enamored of Obama that he will restore America's greatness in spite of himself by landing one huge knockout suckerpunch on the slack-faced jaw of the starry-eyed international community?
Naaaaaaaaaaaah - GO MCCAIN!

202 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #179 Fred72

This may be old news but it seems that liberals can't take a joke:

[Link: www.inrich.com...]

Snopes has an image of the flier and correctly points out that it's simply political humor:

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

The newspaper article states that the state police are "looking into" the matter. Let's just hope that they're "looking into" it just to appease some sputtering democrats, and actually focusing their efforts on more important things.

Frankly, anybody who falls for this shouldn't be voting anyway. It's political darwinism. Hats off to the pranksters.

I assume you would not take your hat off to the pranksters if it told Republicans to vote on the 5th. I think that any attempts to quash voting for any party is far from a joke.

203 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:09:53am

re: #191 notutopia

If that is true, then they are truly among the last on the selection chain and dying off!

Stupidity always leads to extinction.

204 debutaunt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:10:46am

re: #63 dentate

How about frogs, boils, burning hail and darkness?

A snowstorm would be funnier.

205 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:11:16am

49% Obama
47% McCain

Gallop tracking poll - per Rush

206 dhg4  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:11:23am

Here's another article on the topic.

Luntz predicted a Barack Obama victory and said that one of the many reasons the Democrats have been more effective with their message is because, while Republicans dominate talk radio, Democrats have begun to dominate the Internet.

"I'd rather have the Internet," he said.

207 El Lizardo mejicano  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:11:25am

Today In PA:

A Winning Message, But Is It Too Late?

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]


Senator Obama is running to be Redistributionist in Chief. I'm running to be Commander in Chief. Senator Obama is running to spread the wealth. I'm running to create more wealth. Senator Obama is running to punish the successful. I'm running to make everyone successful.

Senator Obama has made a lot of promises. First he said people making less than 250,000 dollars would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than 200,000 dollars you'll benefit -- but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Senator Biden said tax relief should only go to "middle class people -- people making under 150,000 dollars a year." It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just 42,000 dollars a year should get a tax increase. We can't let that happen.

208 pat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:11:44am

A recent economic analysis of the NYT balance sheet showed that it's single assets were the real property upon which it sits. Particularly the New York location, which you may remember was handed over to the Times as a result of condemnation by NYC, In other the taxpayers have given this 'enterprise' its only true asset. Its product is measured as a neutral or liability .

209 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:11:53am

Hussein High?

210 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:12:04am

re: #198 Zevy

It's not unanimous. Like the rest of the country, the more religious, the more likely to vote for McCain. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly for McCain.

Also those very Zionist Jews who have actually been to Israel alot! I doubt most of the "Jews" in a reformed temple could find Israel on a map?

211 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:12:13am

re: #199 bellamags

thank you for that light and uplifting bit of reading. : )
/

Next week I have an essay on how the space aliens are going to fry us all and eat our brains. I'm glad to have made your day.
/

212 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:12:13am

re: #204 debutaunt

A snowstorm would be funnier.

Actually, frogs would be pretty funny too. LOLOL.

213 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:13:12am

re: #203 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Stupidity always leads to extinction.

I want that on a bumper sticker. Natural selection, a concept the left continues to try to hinder with entitlements.

214 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:13:29am

It baffles me that Hugh Hewitt gives peeps from The Politico so much air time. I don't see them as being much different from the hacks at CNN. Even the guy that Hewitt has on regularly, Mike Allen, downplays the connections between Obama and Ayers.

215 Fred72  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:13:58am

re: #202 Creeping Eruption

I assume you would not take your hat off to the pranksters if it told Republicans to vote on the 5th. I think that any attempts to quash voting for any party is far from a joke.

Why yes, yes I would. If the Democrats tried something like this, I would count on LGF, Drudge, and every other influential blog to make this widely known, and it would be the last nail in the BHO political coffin.

(Not that I assume that Republicans were behind the joke in Virginia... it may have even been the local Democratic party trying to gain sympathy.)

216 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:14:05am

re: #208 pat

A recent economic analysis of the NYT balance sheet showed that it's single assets were the real property upon which it sits. Particularly the New York location, which you may remember was handed over to the Times as a result of condemnation by NYC, In other the taxpayers have given this 'enterprise' its only true asset. Its product is measured as a neutral or liability .

There are a couple of girls I know who are sitting on their nicest assets, but I digress.

217 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:14:13am

re: #193 LGoPs

Well stated. The only surprise is that after 50 years of this onslaught there are still roughly 50% of us who haven't been brainwashed......

roughly 50% of us have been educated in conservatism.

218 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:14:18am

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

Next week I have an essay on how the space aliens are going to fry us all and eat our brains. I'm glad to have made your day.
/

I will be looking forward to it. : )

219 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:14:27am

re: #203 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Stupidity always leads to extinction.

Darwinian!

220 BrianA  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:15:16am

elitism on display

221 jaunte  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:15:42am

More plagiarism from the Democrat party:

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.

Further examples at the link:
[Link: www.departments.bucknell.edu...]

222 troonbop  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:15:49am

"professional obligations trump personal preferences. "

Absolutely hilarious. A dufus with a degree in humanities who has disappeared up his own ass, but i appreciate the honesty. Face it, there was a time when opinions from journalists did mean something, and people like this help to rid ourselves of any illusions.

224 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:18:01am

re: #213 bellamags

I want that on a bumper sticker. Natural selection, a concept the left continues to try to hinder with entitlements.

Conceptualizing communism in America is not cool. Vote McCain!

225 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:18:26am

re: #202 Creeping Eruption

I assume you would not take your hat off to the pranksters if it told Republicans to vote on the 5th. I think that any attempts to quash voting for any party is far from a joke.

Ahem. You want people to vote who don't even know what day . . . oh, never mind.

226 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:18:35am
227 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:18:38am

re: #198 Zevy

It's not unanimous. Like the rest of the country, the more religious, the more likely to vote for McCain. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly for McCain.

What percentage of Jews are Orthodox?

228 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:18:48am

Last update - 19:23 28/10/2008

Syria demands UN action against U.S. over raid

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I guess that means both Syria & Obama need that remedial lesson on how the UN security Council works? Nice company Obama is in ha?

229 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:19:27am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

What are we going to do about it? Seriously. It seems the Republicans, conservatives, and even centrists have, over the years, kowtowed to the radical left. And now we see where that has gotten us. It is time that we fight back. In fact, we must in order for our country to survive in any semblance of the way the founding fathers intended. And this goes further than just voting for McCain/Palin in this election. There has to be a concerted effort - just like the left has had - to get our country back from the hands of the Alinksy's, Ayers', Davis', Obama's and the rest of the leftist radical socialists/communists who are trying to ruin this country. Because as we have seen with Obama's popularity and the fact that he has gotten this far in a presidential race, it is just around the corner. School curriculums need overhauled back to what they once were, mainstream media needs to die and be replaced with honest journalism, etc.

Sorry for the rant. This has been bothering me for awhile. I fear that we have been complacent for too long and it might be too late....

230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #200 dhg4

So you figure that in 2 or 4 years, the non traditional media will be able to challenge the MSM successfully?

I honestly have no idea, but I think this must be part of a long drawn-out process.

231 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:19:56am

re: #188 Erik The Red

Then you are one of the fortunate to have made it through on the signal.
We're counting down the days of this election and the MSM has blatantly NOT done it's job. Many are removing themselves from the services of their bias and unethical journalism news outlets. We are experiencing a huge boon in the traffic of others who have been seeking web info and to get their needs and voices heard for the real unreported facts related to this election. I am so proud to be one of many LGF carriers and proud of it's principles and all its participants. We are the wave of our future defense and of the preservation of our Right to be represented in the media and to be heard throughout the world.

232 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #227 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What percentage of Jews are Orthodox?

That's a loaded question. It depends on definitions. I am not sure about the generally excepted number. Any other lizards know? I bet about 25%?

233 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:20:52am

re: #223 redstateredneck

George Washington has already been bumped from a New Orleans school due to his being a slaveowner.

CCHS? Chocolate City High School?

/Channeling Ray Nagin.

234 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:21:23am

re: #206 dhg4

Here's another article on the topic.

Luntz predicted a Barack Obama victory and said that one of the many reasons the Democrats have been more effective with their message is because, while Republicans dominate talk radio, Democrats have begun to dominate the Internet.

"I'd rather have the Internet," he said.

I believe the left are dominating EVERYTHING BUT talk radio. And unfortunately, what they dominate is what 90% of Americans listen to and believe....

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:21:44am
236 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:21:49am

re: #229 PAgirlinNC

It's not too late. It's not Nov 5th.

237 Piglet-U93  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:21:55am

Perhaps future campaigning for President can start right after swearing in a new POTUS. We would have almost four years to fully evaluate the candidates. To compensate for the liberals dumbing-down of America.

238 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:22:24am

re: #232 Nevergiveup

That's a loaded question. It depends on definitions. I am not sure about the generally excepted number. Any other lizards know? I bet about 25%?

I haven't had a drink, officer! I swear!

239 Outrider  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:22:36am

re: #223 redstateredneck

George Washington has already been bumped from a New Orleans school due to his being a slaveowner.

Damn. Comparing Washington to HITLER!

CARL GALMON, Civil Rights Activist: How can we expect African-American students to pay homage to someone and respect to someone that enslaved their ancestors. This is one of the most degrading and the cruelest thing ever happened in North America. This is an insult to our race as a people. And I feel that we would not expect a Jew to attend a school named after Adolf Hitler, so why should we expect African American kids to attend school after slave owners.

240 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:22:51am

OK the hamsters need to be replaced by Alaskan Huskies.

I can't take it anymore! Later Lizards!

241 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:23:24am

The 10 Signs of Intellectual Honesty

When it comes to just about any topic, it seems as if the public discourse on the internet is dominated by rhetoric and propaganda. People are either selling products or ideology. In fact, just because someone may come across as calm and knowledgeable does not mean you should let your guard down and trust what they say. What you need to look for is a track record of intellectual honesty. Let me therefore propose 10 signs of intellectual honesty.

1. Do not overstate the power of your argument. One’s sense of conviction should be in proportion to the level of clear evidence assessable by most. If someone portrays their opponents as being either stupid or dishonest for disagreeing, intellectual dishonesty is probably in play. Intellectual honesty is most often associated with humility, not arrogance.

2. Show a willingness to publicly acknowledge that reasonable alternative viewpoints exist. The alternative views do not have to be treated as equally valid or powerful, but rarely is it the case that one and only one viewpoint has a complete monopoly on reason and evidence.

3. Be willing to publicly acknowledge and question one’s own assumptions and biases. All of us rely on assumptions when applying our world view to make sense of the data about the world. And all of us bring various biases to the table.

4. Be willing to publicly acknowledge where your argument is weak. Almost all arguments have weak spots, but those who are trying to sell an ideology will have great difficulty with this point and would rather obscure or downplay any weak points.

5. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when you are wrong. Those selling an ideology likewise have great difficulty admitting to being wrong, as this undercuts the rhetoric and image that is being sold. You get small points for admitting to being wrong on trivial matters and big points for admitting to being wrong on substantive points. You lose big points for failing to admit being wrong on something trivial.

6. Demonstrate consistency. A clear sign of intellectual dishonesty is when someone extensively relies on double standards. Typically, an excessively high standard is applied to the perceived opponent(s), while a very low standard is applied to the ideologues’ allies.

7. Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument. Ad hominem arguments are a clear sign of intellectual dishonesty. However, often times, the dishonesty is more subtle. For example, someone might make a token effort at debunking an argument and then turn significant attention to the person making the argument, relying on stereotypes, guilt-by-association, and innocent-sounding gotcha questions.

8. When addressing an argument, do not misrepresent it. A common tactic of the intellectually dishonest is to portray their opponent’s argument in straw man terms. In politics, this is called spin. Typically, such tactics eschew quoting the person in context, but instead rely heavily on out-of-context quotes, paraphrasing and impression. When addressing an argument, one should shows signs of having made a serious effort to first understand the argument and then accurately represent it in its strongest form.

9. Show a commitment to critical thinking. ‘Nuff said.

10. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when a point or criticism is good. If someone is unable or unwilling to admit when their opponent raises a good point or makes a good criticism, it demonstrates an unwillingness to participate in the give-and-take that characterizes an honest exchange.

While no one is perfect, and even those who strive for intellectual honesty can have a bad day, simply be on the look out for how many and how often these criteria apply to someone. In the arena of public discourse, it is not intelligence or knowledge that matters most – it is whether you can trust the intelligence or knowledge of another.

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:23:28am

re: #216 Nevergiveup

There are a couple of girls I know who are sitting on their nicest assets, but I digress.

Thank you

/besides, you already hit bottom

243 yaacov ben moshe  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:23:36am

What they never talk about is the choices that are made- What to cover and what to ignore...
[Link: www.breathofthebeast.blogspot.com...]

244 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:23:39am

Anybody find it strange the the Justice Department could not successfully prosecute a terrorist for murder or mayhem, but has no trouble jailing liars?

245 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:23:57am

re: #206 dhg4

Here's another article on the topic.

Luntz predicted a Barack Obama victory and said that one of the many reasons the Democrats have been more effective with their message is because, while Republicans dominate talk radio, Democrats have begun to dominate the Internet.

"I'd rather have the Internet," he said.

Luntz is a dunce.

246 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:08am

re: #238 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I haven't had a drink, officer! I swear!

Lost me on that one?

247 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:20am

re: #234 PAgirlinNC

I believe the left are dominating EVERYTHING BUT talk radio. And unfortunately, what they dominate is what 90% of Americans listen to and believe....

and it burns their asses up.

248 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:37am

re: #217 midwestgak

51%!

249 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:38am

re: #229 PAgirlinNC

What are we going to do about it? Seriously. It seems the Republicans, conservatives, and even centrists have, over the years, kowtowed to the radical left. And now we see where that has gotten us. It is time that we fight back. In fact, we must in order for our country to survive in any semblance of the way the founding fathers intended. And this goes further than just voting for McCain/Palin in this election. There has to be a concerted effort - just like the left has had - to get our country back from the hands of the Alinksy's, Ayers', Davis', Obama's and the rest of the leftist radical socialists/communists who are trying to ruin this country. Because as we have seen with Obama's popularity and the fact that he has gotten this far in a presidential race, it is just around the corner. School curriculums need overhauled back to what they once were, mainstream media needs to die and be replaced with honest journalism, etc.

Sorry for the rant. This has been bothering me for awhile. I fear that we have been complacent for too long and it might be too late....

It starts with education. The homeschooling thing has taken off around here. School vouchers are the best idea. Also infiltrating the school board and getting rid of the teachers union is a start. We need to get rid of the commie professors in colleges that spew their hate and propaganda from the lecture halls.

250 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:41am

re: #239 Outrider

these people ever take history 101?

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:25:16am

re: #161 gop_patriot

Where's Cognito?

I'd like to hear his take on this, and the LA Times sitting on the video story. Has he been here and I just missed him?

He may be the one doing the sitting.

252 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:25:17am
253 Noah's Arrrgh  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:25:18am
Most political journalists we know are centrists — instinctually skeptical of ideological zealotry — but with at least a mild liberal tilt to their thinking, particularly on social issues.

Journalists typically lack the introspection to ask the question: how does one define centrist? Their definition is most likely: those who share the same correct opinions was we do. Being a self-righteous and solipsistic bunch, they are convinced that their moral and political compass always points north.

If they reflected a bit further, they would also notice that their universe consists mostly of inside-the-beltway type and realize that their population sample is seriously skewed. But, that never enters their consciousness: the subtleties of statistical sampling was that really-really-super-hard math stuff that they thankfully were never required to take in journalism school. Innumeracy is bliss!

By any objective measure, however, it's pretty clear that most journalists are well to the left, if not patently left-wing. So the quote above is nothing more than self-delusion. They're skeptical of all stripes of ideological zealotry, except their own.

254 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:26:00am

re: #231 notutopia

Having to log on and off and refresh just to see new comments. Have only been a member for about a year have never seen LGF like this. Mostly a lurker on the DT.

255 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:26:05am

re: #225 midwestgak

Ahem. You want people to vote who don't even know what day . . . oh, never mind.

I happen to think that people have a right to vote no matter how stupid they may be, or how easily they may be taken in by unscrupulous a-holes (how does the Nigeria scam still have legs after all of these years?).

I think that sometimes people who feel that they have a stake in the elections, Republican or Democrat, forget that there are huge segments of society that simply do not give a shit or, for one reason or another, don't have the time or capacity to give a shit. Those are the kind of people - ones who do not read the papers, watch Rush, or log on to LGF, etc. - that are taken in by such humorous antics as telling people of different parties to vote on different days.

It appears from some of the posts here though that apparently these people should not be afforded the right to vote simply because they are gullible. I disagree.

256 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:27:14am

re: #245 Ward Cleaver

Luntz is a dunce.

Agreed. I saw him on a Bill Maher commercial clip. 'Nuff said.

257 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:27:41am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

these people ever take history 101?

No. Why should they? The MSM will tell them anything and everything they need to know to be better serfs and worshipers of the Messiah.

258 dhg4  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:27:47am

re: #227 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What percentage of Jews are Orthodox?

About 11%. Though a somewhat higher percentage among children.

259 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:28:08am

re: #236 midwestgak

Oh I know, but even when McCain wins this time, there has to be more done than just voting. As we've seen with Obama's creepy manipulation and brainwashing of kids what happens and it is just a matter of time before those kids vote. (shudder) Ayers and the rest have taken over from the inside out, so if we don't soon put a stop to it - there will be serious consequences.

260 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:28:17am

Heavy rain in Gaza floods streets, farms

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Who knew they still had farms?

261 Zippy_Slug  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:28:45am

F-U MSM..

I've not listened to you for years.. why should I start now?

262 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:28:50am

re: #223 redstateredneck

George Washington has already been bumped from a New Orleans school due to his being a slaveowner.

What's next? Cornel West Elementary? Lynne Stewart Junior High? Luke Sissyfag High School?

263 wright1  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:29:32am

re: #236 midwestgak

It's not too late. It's not Nov 5th.


I agree - it is not too late, check this out:

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

264 phoenixgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:29:40am

re: #262 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Cornel West Elementary? Lynne Stewart Junior High? Luke Sissyfag High School?

william ayer's high school "the bombers"

265 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:29:53am

re: #234 PAgirlinNC

I believe the left are dominating EVERYTHING BUT talk radio. And unfortunately, what they dominate is what 90% of Americans listen to and believe....

If you actually look at the demographics, the MSM is a dying breed. The average viewer of CBS/ABC/NBC Snooze is over 60 years old. TV and newspapers are laying off people by the hundreds every month. NBC just said they're cutting costs by $500 million. Both newspapers in Chicago, the Tribune and Sun-Times, are laying off or buying out even well known columnists. The one medium that has an audience that continues to grow is talk radio, and that is not a coincidence.

266 Bill Dalasio  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:30:20am

Can I ask what might sound like an absurd question? Where did we get to the point that reporters qualify as elites? The sum total of their skill set is writing about stuff. When done well, a worthwhile and admirable exercise. But, certainly not some sort of remarkable skill that the rest of us should somehow or another be in awe of. A great many bloggers have shown they can do as well or better in covering or analyzing issues than even our nation's top news outlets. When I see much of the media, elite isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind. I'm much more likely to think "hanger-on of the political and celebrity classes".

267 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:30:41am

re: #264 phoenixgirl

william ayer's high school "the bombers"

That's pretty funny!

268 wright1  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:30:55am

re: #259 PAgirlinNC

Oh I know, but even when McCain wins this time, there has to be more done than just voting. As we've seen with Obama's creepy manipulation and brainwashing of kids what happens and it is just a matter of time before those kids vote. (shudder) Ayers and the rest have taken over from the inside out, so if we don't soon put a stop to it - there will be serious consequences.

Love the optimism - that is the spirit!

269 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:31:25am

re: #216 Nevergiveup

I have found that the more I sit on them, the more they grow.

270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:31:26am

re: #244 unreconstructed rebel

Anybody find it strange the the Justice Department could not successfully prosecute a terrorist for murder or mayhem, but has no trouble jailing liars?

Bill Clinton's in jail?
/

271 Peter_P  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:31:36am

People check this out! DNC featuring Obama merchandise with communist revolutionary RED STAR!

[Link: tiny.cc...]

They don't hide it anymore...

272 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:31:56am

re: #264 phoenixgirl

william ayer's high school "the bombers"

Excellent!

273 shanec99  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:32:21am

Look guys, the press is committed to undermining America and defeating all she stands for, anything that helps America to retain an advantage must be undermined.

In the 1970s and early 80s... the press led a relentless assault on the auto industry, with stories about exploding cars, and low quality...they even attached explosives to pick up trucks to ensure to sensationalize the story. After they weakened the auto industry it became it more vulnerable to Japanese and American competition and you see the results today.
Look at how the US military is covered, when it was possible that the US would be humilated in Iraq, they did everything to undermine troop morale, today 150,000 brave young Americans are bringing stability and hope to that nation, they build schools, refurbish hospitals, provide children a safe place to play... and there is not a word in the media about this.
American efforts to clean up the environment go unreported, today American rivers are cleaner than they have been at anytime in the previous half century, cities are less polluted, children are not exposed to lead, dioxin exposure reduced, CFCs and other ozone depleting chemicals removed from usual domestic applications, yet the people in the press do not report these successes, rather they act as megaphones trumpeting ex VP Gore's movie suggesting that America is the world's prime polluter ignoring China and India. They will not stop until thier agitation cripple American industry and force our consumers to purchase all thier manufactured goods from China and India whom they tout as the coming industrial giants enven though thier sandards regarding pollution abatement are well below US standards. Eventually the American industrial capacity will be made smaller and the big polluters like China will sell everything to American consumers.
Get over it, our press will do anything it can to weaken us, so even if Obama wins, we must ensure that the so called Fairness Doctrine never becomes law, or our only vioce to oppose Liberal excesses will be silenced forever.

274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:32:29am

re: #246 Nevergiveup

Lost me on that one?

/Loaded question....

275 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:32:32am

re: #44 just another four-letter word

Resistance is futile! You WILL be assimilated!

The Borg? The Democratic Party? Karl Marx? Politico?

Pick one or more of the above.

JAFLW

Yes, THE BORG ... resistance is futile. The left is like the BORG in Star Trek. No individual minds, just the collective trying to assimilate us.

276 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:32:33am

re: #237 Piglet-U93

This is exactly why the dems have run such an aggressive and comprehensive attack campaign this election. I hope for prosperity sake of this country's future that we have all taken notes and learned much from this valuable insight. There is nothing worse than to show up for a gun fight wielding a knife.

277 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:32:42am

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

Does it really serve the good of the Republic to have the ignorant vote? We already have too many of the votes that are bought through the allocation of Government money and pet programs. Nobody will claim to like pork, but they all do it to one degree or another. It is bad enough when people vote for government largess. I don't see any real benefit for the Republic for someone who is too apathetic to learn about the issues going to pull a lever for a guy because they recognize him from Oprah.

We'd all be better off if they just stayed home.

278 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:33:12am

re: #266 Bill Dalasio

Can I ask what might sound like an absurd question? Where did we get to the point that reporters qualify as elites? The sum total of their skill set is writing about stuff. When done well, a worthwhile and admirable exercise. But, certainly not some sort of remarkable skill that the rest of us should somehow or another be in awe of. A great many bloggers have shown they can do as well or better in covering or analyzing issues than even our nation's top news outlets. When I see much of the media, elite isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind. I'm much more likely to think "hanger-on of the political and celebrity classes".

It's that fame thing. Anyone who has even a little smidge of it thinks they are all that.

279 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:33:12am

re: #241 gmsc

This is the most common problem:

7. Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument. Ad hominem arguments are a clear sign of intellectual dishonesty. However, often times, the dishonesty is more subtle. For example, someone might make a token effort at debunking an argument and then turn significant attention to the person making the argument, relying on stereotypes, guilt-by-association, and innocent-sounding gotcha questions.

See how the media and the Obama supporters went out of their way to attack Joe the Plumber? They're not addressing the argument, but attacking the messenger who simply asked a question that elicited an uncomfortable truth.

280 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:33:38am

re: #269 wolfie

I have found that the more I sit on them, the more they grow.

You getting cheeky with me?

281 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:33:47am

Someone do something!

/please

282 JackFlack  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:34:13am

Isn't it great how Yahoo! homepage is doing their best to supress the Republican vote by showing the 'Projected Electoral Votes' mean its already over?

McCain: 156
Obama: 355

ie: it's done, give up, you have no chance, don't bother, etc. One of the earlier headlines said to "Ignore the latest polls!"

283 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:34:32am

re: #265 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The one medium that has an audience that continues to grow is talk radio, and that is not a coincidence.


This is prolly a bold venture into the obvious, but busy people are listening while dressing, eating breakfast or driving to work rather than parked in front of the boob-tube.

284 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:34:33am

re: #239 Outrider

CARL GALMON, Civil Rights Activist: How can we expect African-American students to pay homage to someone and respect to someone that enslaved their ancestors. This is one of the most degrading and the cruelest thing ever happened in North America. This is an insult to our race as a people. And I feel that we would not expect a Jew to attend a school named after Adolf Hitler, so why should we expect African American kids to attend school after slave owners.

I feel we would not expect our kids to attend schools where the faculty thinks George Washington is the equivalent of Adolf Hitler.

The best way to fight this? Scrutinize ANY name they suggest. If the person isn't perfect in every way, demonize the suggester for even thinking of naming the school after that person!

285 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:34:42am

re: #274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

/Loaded question....

I would be but I still have a few patients!

286 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:35:04am

re: #254 Erik The Red

We're having to do the same, but we're Persistent lil' LIZARDS!

287 stanlef  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:35:17am

I've just remove you from my news favorites.
/so what?

288 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:35:18am

re: #270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Bill Clinton's in jail?
/

The exception that proves the rule. LOL

289 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:36:07am

re: #279 lawhawk

This is the most common problem:


See how the media and the Obama supporters went out of their way to attack Joe the Plumber? They're not addressing the argument, but attacking the messenger who simply asked a question that elicited an uncomfortable truth.


They all took a page from the Clinton smear machine handling the bimbo eruptions.

290 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:36:20am

re: #270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Bill Clinton's in jail?
/

He is still married Hilliary isn't he?

291 mattm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:36:30am

At least they didn't call us bitter clingers, directly.

292 Pyrocles  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:37:34am

Maybe that heavy rain will interrupt some of Obama's fund raising...

re: #260 Nevergiveup

Heavy rain in Gaza floods streets, farms

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Who knew they still had farms?

293 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:37:52am

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Years ago, leftists taught that logic was the tool of the oppressor.

The true believers who swallowed that line of garbage then trained their own students without bothering to teach them to support their arguments with evidence.

Now, generations into education without logic, we have large numbers of young adults who cannot think their way out of a wet paper bag and who will never attain the intellectual sophistication demanded of me when I was 13.

Me, I still believe that the Truth will set you free. (And that this is why the fascist llleft is so hostile to the truth.)

294 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:38:05am

re: #271 Peter_P

People check this out! DNC featuring Obama merchandise with communist revolutionary RED STAR!

[Link: tiny.cc...]

They don't hide it anymore...

With this one, you can put in your own message, like "Off to Joy Camp With You!"

295 Piglet-U93  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:38:16am

re: #253 Noah's Arrrgh


Do polls exist outside of the Beltways (245, 285) of America?

We know from the last two national elections that democrats own the urban areas and republicans own the country. Suburbs are a battleground zone.

If most polls are urban based then McCain is verily, verily much ahead.

296 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:38:22am

re: #229 PAgirlinNC

School curricula need to be overhauled. You bet. But good luck with that.
I spent 4 years in the 1990's in the thick of that fight, and I can tell you that the situation is dire. The best that anyone hopes for now is to stem the tide of further radicalization, maybe to achieve one or two victories in the attempt to slow the train down.

297 opnion  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:38:38am

Just had lunch with a client, nice guy but hardcore Obama backer.
For some reason that escapes me , he thinks that I am too. I make it a point to never discuss politics in a business setting.
The latest outrage according to him is Sarah Palin's wardrobe.
I couldn't help it, I said "Why in the world would anyone care about that. A pretty woman gets the use of nice clothing & that's an issue?"
Oh oh, I think that he suspects!

298 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:03am

re: #286 notutopia

Damn right!

299 reine.de.tout  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:15am

re: #289 redstateredneck

They all took a page from the Clinton smear machine handling the bimbo eruptions.

They took a page from the Clinton smear machine, and upped it to a new level of low.

300 bse5150  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:22am

C'Mon guys, you seriously are surprised by this? If you want to really give the MSM a kick in the a@@, you have to STOP buying their papers and stop viewing the alphabet news immediately. Stay off their websites too. Believe me, advertisers take notice - look at Drudge today with all the papers he's listing as in serious decline. Tough to say exactly why, but I suspect it's partly due to their ferocious liberal slant. And look at the trouble the MSM newscasts are in. They can't hold a candle to FoxNews.

301 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:23am

So in the eyes of the media it IS a beauty contest......I knew it!

302 Colin Nelson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:51am

Breathtaking arrogance

303 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:39:55am

re: #277 Iron Fist

Your comment raises some interesting issues and I want to discuss this further with you. I have a 2:00 appointment and I need to split. When I come back, maybe we can pick up where we left off or I'll catch up with you on another thread.

304 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:40:33am

re: #294 Ward Cleaver

With this one, you can put in your own message, like "Off to Joy Camp With You!"

Or, "Help turn this country into an 0bamanation!"

305 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:40:34am

re: #294 Ward Cleaver

With this one, you can put in your own message, like "Off to Joy Camp With You!"

The wider he smiled and called us friend, the tighter we clung to our purses.

306 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:40:45am

The perfect summation:

The Jedi Mind Trick candidate! "I did not say those things you heard me say!"

/Mary Katharine Ham

307 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:40:55am

re: #266 Bill Dalasio

Can I ask what might sound like an absurd question? Where did we get to the point that reporters qualify as elites? The sum total of their skill set is writing about stuff. When done well, a worthwhile and admirable exercise. But, certainly not some sort of remarkable skill that the rest of us should somehow or another be in awe of. A great many bloggers have shown they can do as well or better in covering or analyzing issues than even our nation's top news outlets. When I see much of the media, elite isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind. I'm much more likely to think "hanger-on of the political and celebrity classes".

YEA BILL!

You're so right. There is nothing elite about the MSM ... except, perhaps, their bloated salaries. And as the MSM ship slowly sinks, their salaries will sink with it.

I've always thought that the MSM and academics are horribly overpaid. What would they be worth outside their narrow disciplines? Nada. Your typical PhD in anthropology has nothing to offer to those in the business world. Ditto for our "elite" journalists. Writers are a dime a dozen.

I'm enjoying watching the MSM go under. Next, academe.

308 Pyrocles  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:03am

"Logic" is a Western concept, and is thus outmoded in today's post-colonial world of abstract relativism. - Leftist academic.

re: #293 lurking faith

Years ago, leftists taught that logic was the tool of the oppressor.

The true believers who swallowed that line of garbage then trained their own students without bothering to teach them to support their arguments with evidence.

Now, generations into education without logic, we have large numbers of young adults who cannot think their way out of a wet paper bag and who will never attain the intellectual sophistication demanded of me when I was 13.

Me, I still believe that the Truth will set you free. (And that this is why the fascist llleft is so hostile to the truth.)

309 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:06am

re: #297 opnion

its ok. don't be afraid. i made the plunge a long time ago. its funny, during my massage sessions, my clients and I prefer to listen to Boortz, Rush, or Hannity.

310 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:12am

re: #279 lawhawk

the other issue are Gvt. employees assisting in this shanda.

311 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:31am

re: #300 bse5150

I wish I could Fox News in Africa only the ABC.

312 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:44am

re: #296 wolfie

So basically there's not a whole lot we can do to stop it - just slow it down... Sigh. Looks like I'm going to have to buy more alcohol to cope. Or, wait for the government to deliver it to me.

313 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:41:58am
314 TalkinKamel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:42:15am

re: #271 Peter_P

No, as the election comes closer, they're hiding it less and less. And the media is feeling quite cocky at the moment, since they're obviously hoping Obama will institute the Fairness Doctrine, and put all those troublesome internet blogs out of business, so they can go back to being the only information-game in town.

315 jorline  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:42:34am

New Movie

Night Of The Lizard

The story of an unruly attack launched by the Omamites and Paulians against the Lizard Nation during the last week of the 2008 election. The heart warming tale of how Master Lizard Charles fought off the slow thread attack by unleashing an army of super hamsters.

/If I were a conspiracy theorist

316 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:42:47am

I'm not concerned with "bias" per se, but rather with lack of objectivity and honesty. The press is very dishonest and non-objective, and this is why the "So what?" is important. The answer to the "so what" is that by evading reality and lying to people about who Obama and McCain are you are harming everyone. It is inimical to survival to evade reality on such a vast scale. Tell a patient who has cancer that he is "cured" and so he goes home happy for the moment, but in time the cancer will win out if it's not treated. This is why what the press is doing is so immoral.

317 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:42:52am

re: #303 Creeping Eruption

K. Have a fun meeting.

318 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:43:13am

Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A federal judge in Ohio has ruled that counties must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations that aren't buildings as their addresses.

U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus also ruled that provisional ballots can't be invalidated because of poll worker errors.

Monday's ruling resolved the final two pieces of a settlement between the Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

319 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #311 Erik The Red

I wish I could Fox News in Africa only the ABC.

/why are you in Africa, have you voted?

320 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:43:17am

re: #297 opnion

Just had lunch with a client, nice guy but hardcore Obama backer.
For some reason that escapes me , he thinks that I am too. I make it a point to never discuss politics in a business setting.
The latest outrage according to him is Sarah Palin's wardrobe.
I couldn't help it, I said "Why in the world would anyone care about that. A pretty woman gets the use of nice clothing & that's an issue?"
Oh oh, I think that he suspects!

I overheard a couple of older women in the grocery store discussing that. Wish now that I knew more about it; it's more like maybe $50,000 - the staffer had gone out and gotten all kinds of styles and sizes for her to try on and took back 2/3 of it. Also, this was not done at her request and the staffer should have come forward and explained herself rather than leaving Governor Palin out to dry on the issue. Besides, do we know who buys Obama's campaign wardrobe?

321 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:43:55am
322 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:43:57am

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Outrider

In that article on the New Orleans schools, Cornel West--at some time, if not now, an advisor to the Obama campaign--actually refers to George Washington as a "white supremacist."

Rewriting history is OK as long as it benefits the left.

323 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:44:02am

re: #301 Big Steve

So in the eyes of the media it IS a beauty contest......I knew it!


This reminded me of the debat performances. Biden 'beat' Palin because he seemed authoritative - nevermind that he had a problem with facts/truth. Obama 'beat' McCain because he looked cool - nevermind that everone of his idea has been tried and failed throughout history. Even reliable conservative pundits like Krauthammer played along.

The Obama era (should it come to pass) will be the age a junk.

324 mattm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:44:28am

re: #300 bse5150

C'Mon guys, you seriously are surprised by this? If you want to really give the MSM a kick in the a@@, you have to STOP buying their papers and stop viewing the alphabet news immediately. Stay off their websites too. Believe me, advertisers take notice - look at Drudge today with all the papers he's listing as in serious decline. Tough to say exactly why, but I suspect it's partly due to their ferocious liberal slant. And look at the trouble the MSM newscasts are in. They can't hold a candle to FoxNews.

Those are some interesting numbers.

325 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:44:42am

re: #296 wolfie

School curricula need to be overhauled. You bet. But good luck with that.
I spent 4 years in the 1990's in the thick of that fight, and I can tell you that the situation is dire. The best that anyone hopes for now is to stem the tide of further radicalization, maybe to achieve one or two victories in the attempt to slow the train down.

Vouchers. Privatizing the US school system is the first step toward a free(r) system.

If I was president (SMILING HERE) one of the first acts of my administration would be getting rid of the Dept of Education. I'd privatize all student loans and send them back to banks.

And then, I'd get rid of the NEA, NEH, Legal Services Corp., Energy, about half of agriculture, etc.

It would be brutal (in Washington) and liberating (outside of the beltway).

326 Suzette  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:44:57am

My little newspaper from a small city said ''Rumors Increase In Last Days of CampFaign"
First sentence: Barack Obama is not a socialist.
Maybe they need to rethink that one.

327 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:44:58am

This is so characteristic of malignant narcissism of the selfish variety. In other words, folks like this are demonstrably and diagnostically ill.

Per Dr Sanity, a.k.a. pat Santy MD, a genuine psychiatrist, Obama's problem is worse: malignant narcissism of the idealist variety, or "sociopathic selflessness".

This malignant selflessness allows the Bill Ayers of the left to coolly contemplate killing 25 million people in order to usher in the leftist utopia.

328 just another four-letter word  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #200 dhg4

So you figure that in 2 or 4 years, the non traditional media will be able to challenge the MSM successfully?


The non-traditionals are doing a pretty good job TODAY, IMHO...

JAFLW

329 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:45:19am

re: #277 Iron Fist

Does it really serve the good of the Republic to have the ignorant vote? We already have too many of the votes that are bought through the allocation of Government money and pet programs. Nobody will claim to like pork, but they all do it to one degree or another. It is bad enough when people vote for government largess. I don't see any real benefit for the Republic for someone who is too apathetic to learn about the issues going to pull a lever for a guy because they recognize him from Oprah.

We'd all be better off if they just stayed home.

My Dad thought we should all vote proportional to our income tax (with no vote f you are on the dole). That was in the day of very steep tax graduations. If nothing else, he mused, it would put a damper on both tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal).

330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:45:55am

re: #326 Suzette

My little newspaper from a small city said ''Rumors Increase In Last Days of CampFaign"
First sentence: Barack Obama is not a socialist.
Maybe they need to rethink that one.

Communist is more accurate

331 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:46:04am

Did you all know that Wednesday, November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day?

332 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:46:15am

re: #315 jorline

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The story of an unruly attack launched by the Omamites and Paulians against the Lizard Nation during the last week of the 2008 election. The heart warming tale of how Master Lizard Charles fought off the slow thread attack by unleashing an army of super hamsters.

/If I were a conspiracy theorist

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/those hamsters are runnin' like hell from that gator

333 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:46:16am

re: #329 unreconstructed rebel

good point.

334 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:46:29am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Obama pic of the day....
Yahoo pic

Destroying us from within.

I wonder what group bought him that new blazer.

335 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:46:47am

re: #280 Nevergiveup

Indeed I am. What do you expect when you go out of your way to make well-rounded women the butt of your jokes?

336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:06am

Rush is talking about This ad that someone posted here yesterday about The One™ and the Wrong Reverend Wright™ that's going to run on TV in all the battleground states. Check it out, it's really good.

337 HugoChavez[deleted]  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:12am
338 Suzette  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:33am

re: #293 lurking faith

Indeed the left is hostile to the truth! If you ask them tough questions they ban you from ever getting near them again. In the end they still don't answer the question to boot.

339 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:42am

re: #21 Sharmuta

And yes- you guys are self-delusional when everyone can see the 800 lb. gorilla yet you don't. PLEASE keep telling yourselves you're professionals. All the way to bankruptcy court and the unemployment line.

We need to accelerate that process so reform can begin sooner.

Boycotts of MSM products, boycotts of MSM advertisers, citizen investigations (of public records) regarding particularly biased MSM figures, are several ways to start.

No matter who wins the election.

340 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #300 bse5150

C'Mon guys, you seriously are surprised by this? If you want to really give the MSM a kick in the a@@, you have to STOP buying their papers and stop viewing the alphabet news immediately. Stay off their websites too. Believe me, advertisers take notice - look at Drudge today with all the papers he's listing as in serious decline. Tough to say exactly why, but I suspect it's partly due to their ferocious liberal slant. And look at the trouble the MSM newscasts are in. They can't hold a candle to FoxNews.

You are right but I get frustrated that there's seems to be little effect. I stopped subscribing and watching years ago (about 15) and am not naive enough to think I've had a personal effect but am frustrated nonetheless. These people are zealots and largely immune to normal motiviations like profit. Take the multiple examples of bookstores hiding conservative best sellers.......I know we have to keep fighting but it's going to be a long, hard struggle....

341 redstateredneck  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:54am

Gotta run to an appointment.
BBL

342 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:47:56am

re: #326 Suzette

My little newspaper from a small city said ''Rumors Increase In Last Days of CampFaign"
First sentence: Barack Obama is not a socialist.
Maybe they need to rethink that one.

Maybe that's one of the rumors they've heard.

343 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:48:00am

re: #319 Killian Bundy

Yes on the 13 October at the Embassy hope it gets counted. I have been here for 25 years. Parents moved here when I was 16. Will be returning with my young family in August 2009. I in Durban S. Africa a beautiful place.

344 Daisy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:48:18am

Let me see if I got this. Because journalists are naturally so open minded - and yes, centrist, in their thinking, they are willing to scapegoat McCain and Palin in order to get their magical election wishes for Obama - who just so happens to think exactly like them - fulfilled.

What am I missing?

345 blangwort  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:48:54am

As Sean Hannity says, this is the year when a majority of people will realize the conventional news media is obsolete.

Soon, many Journalists will have to actually report on the Web for a living (sort of like what Michael Yon does). We won't need newspapers, editors, or even TV stations. We'll share information on web sites like this. We will be free of the illusion that we have unbiased news. We do not. We never have. And now, finally, perhaps we'll shake the arrogance of so many of these Journalists.

We, the public and Journalists alike, will be better for it.

346 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:48:57am

re: #336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Rush is talking about This ad that someone posted here yesterday about The One™ and the Wrong Reverend Wright™ that's going to run on TV in all the battleground states. Check it out, it's really good.

about fucking time.

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:49:16am

re: #331 doppelganglander

Did you all know that Wednesday, November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day?

Be still my heart!

/joking

348 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:49:19am

re: #296 wolfie

School curricula need to be overhauled. You bet. But good luck with that.
I spent 4 years in the 1990's in the thick of that fight, and I can tell you that the situation is dire. The best that anyone hopes for now is to stem the tide of further radicalization, maybe to achieve one or two victories in the attempt to slow the train down.

or, do with less and send the kids to parochial school.

349 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:49:37am
350 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:50:16am

Okay, so now the press admits they are biased and they say "so what"? What are readers and viewers of the msm going to do if they read this? What excuse do they have no for going by the msm? How many are going to decide, on the basis of that article, to look elsewhere for news?

Hmmmm....

351 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:50:29am

re: #344 Daisy

Let me see if I got this. Because journalists are naturally so open minded - and yes, centrist, in their thinking, they are willing to scapegoat McCain and Palin in order to get their magical election wishes for Obama - who just so happens to think exactly like them - fulfilled.

What am I missing?

Easy. You are missing the ability to understand, beyond the level of mysterious black box, the inner workings of the deranged mind.

352 Erik The Red  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:50:32am

re: #337 HugoChavez

Bend over America and get ready to take Uncle Hugo's schlong up your tender white bung holes.

I hope you forgot the / tag

353 LGoPs  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:50:40am

re: #327 erisldysnomia

This is so characteristic of malignant narcissism of the selfish variety. In other words, folks like this are demonstrably and diagnostically ill.

Per Dr Sanity, a.k.a. pat Santy MD, a genuine psychiatrist, Obama's problem is worse: malignant narcissism of the idealist variety, or "sociopathic selflessness".

This malignant selflessness allows the Bill Ayers of the left to coolly contemplate killing 25 million people in order to usher in the leftist utopia.


See my #110
It is a trademark of narcissim - an absolute inability to see any other viewpoint......to the point that if you dispute them they think you are crazy......maddening. I used to be married to someone like that. A real nightmare.

354 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:50:45am

re: #272 Ward Cleaver

Excellent!

re: #264 phoenixgirl

william ayer's high school "the bombers"


Hey......my old high school really was the Bombers......Kenston High School Bombers

355 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:51:01am

re: #349 DeafDog

Obama on the Daily Show

There's nothing in that link description that makes me want to click it.

356 Billy Hank  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:51:02am

Legends in their own minds. Liars to the rest of us.

I'd love to see these nimrods face even the gentle competition of a neighborhood poker game.

357 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:51:30am

re: #335 wolfie

Indeed I am. What do you expect when you go out of your way to make well-rounded women the butt of your jokes?

I was gonna say something but since it's only 2:50 PM. I'll cede this round to you and gracefully withdraw from the field.

358 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:51:42am

Yeah - finally got on line for a brief moment! Just saw This:
Poll: Obama has 16-point lead over McCain

THE POLL: Pew Research Center, national presidential race among registered voters.

THE NUMBERS: Barack Obama 52 percent, John McCain 36 percent.

OF INTEREST: This is the fourth consecutive survey by Pew that shows McCain trailing Obama among registered voters since the end of September. Asked whether McCain would be like President Bush or go his own way, 47 percent say the Republican would continue Bush's policies compared with 40 percent who say McCain would take the country in a new direction. Both men and women lean toward Obama. Blacks overwhelming back the Democrat, while whites are split between the two candidates. More independent voters support Obama over McCain, 48 percent to 31 percent.

DETAILS: Conducted Oct. 23-26 by landline and cellular telephone with 1,325 registered voters. Sampling error margin plus or minus 3 percentage points.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

And now I have to leave!
Sorry all y'all - hope you have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

359 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:06am

re: #334 Ben Hur

I wonder what group bought him that new blazer.

You mean that's not the fasion in Palestine?

360 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:15am

re: #350 Archimedes

Okay, so now the press admits they are biased and they say "so what"? What are readers and viewers of the msm going to do if they read this? What excuse do they have no for going by the msm? How many are going to decide, on the basis of that article, to look elsewhere for news?

Hmmmm....

"no" in bold should be "now"

361 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:24am

re: #299 reine.de.tout

They took a page from the Clinton smear machine, and upped it to a new level of low.

Somewhere in there is an oxymoron. : )

362 opnion  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:36am

re: #309 bellamags

its ok. don't be afraid. i made the plunge a long time ago. its funny, during my massage sessions, my clients and I prefer to listen to Boortz, Rush, or Hannity.

Whew! I feel better. Actually I don't really care if he knows that I do not support the One. I just think that it is poor form for him to drone on about Obama.

363 maddogg  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:43am

I must have a brain tumor. I'm really starting to dig those hillbuzz folks.

364 doppelganglander  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:46am

re: #347 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Be still my heart!

/joking

For the record, I'd like to point out that I have no access to gunpowder. I don't even own a gun.

365 lurking faith  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #266 Bill Dalasio

Can I ask what might sound like an absurd question? Where did we get to the point that reporters qualify as elites? The sum total of their skill set is writing about stuff. When done well, a worthwhile and admirable exercise. But, certainly not some sort of remarkable skill that the rest of us should somehow or another be in awe of. A great many bloggers have shown they can do as well or better in covering or analyzing issues than even our nation's top news outlets. When I see much of the media, elite isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind. I'm much more likely to think "hanger-on of the political and celebrity classes".


I have never thought of the media as elite. The vast majority of journalism majors at my college were dumb as posts - and for many years everyone I mentioned this to, regardless of political persuasion, agreed with me.

They think they're elites, but as we've already discussed, they're detached from reality and live in a little echo chamber in which they tell each other they are the wonderful center around which the world revolves.

366 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #353 LGoPs

See my #110
It is a trademark of narcissim - an absolute inability to see any other viewpoint......to the point that if you dispute them they think you are crazy......maddening. I used to be married to someone like that. A real nightmare.

Missed that.

Feel sorry for you that you were married to a narcissist. I jonly had one as a sibling...

367 The Archivist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:53:09am

re: #249 bellamags

It starts with education. The homeschooling thing has taken off around here. School vouchers are the best idea. Also infiltrating the school board and getting rid of the teachers union is a start. We need to get rid of the commie professors in colleges that spew their hate and propaganda from the lecture halls.

I'd like to see some concerted thinking along these lines.
First agendas after a McCain/Palin win:
1. Dismantle and/or defund ACORN
2. Find effective ways to teach the nation about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
3. Dismantle or defund the MSM. Probably most effective to notify advertisers that we're not playing.
4. [your input?]

368 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:54:02am

OBAMA & THE ARABS

Some columnists have also noted Obama's close ties to a number of Palestinian radicals, including Rashid Khalidi and the late Edward Said, as signs that the senator would change US Middle East policy in the Arabs' favor. Strengthening that impression was an interview the Rev. Jessie Jackson granted to several Arab media outlets, including Al-Jazeera and the popular Internet newspaper Elaph, in which he promised an end to the United States' allegedly pro-Israel policy.

All things to all people.

369 DeafDog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:54:03am

re: #349 DeafDog

Obama on the Daily Show

Editorial - Palin is doing as many interviews as she can in these final weeks. Obama is going on the daily show.

Who is the lightwight?

370 Archimedes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:54:07am

re: #331 doppelganglander

Did you all know that Wednesday, November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day?

A veritably valuable and vitally virtuous view.

371 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:55:11am

re: #358 realwest

Yeah - finally got on line for a brief moment! Just saw This:
Poll: Obama has 16-point lead over McCain

And studies show that drinking water causes cancer.

372 wright1  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:55:18am

re: #336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Rush is talking about This ad that someone posted here yesterday about The One™ and the Wrong Reverend Wright™ that's going to run on TV in all the battleground states. Check it out, it's really good.

I like it and am one of the few who believe "all Wright all the time" would have worked and may still yet. Dick Morris also agrees that this issue has been held back by the MSM. Let it rip I say.

373 Iron Fist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #329 unreconstructed rebel

It isn't an accident that taxes are due in April and voting occurs in November. I've always thought that it would be better if we had to pay our taxes each month the way we do our power and water bills. People would have a better grasp on exactly how big a bite taxes take of their wealth. As it is, the money just goes away before you really see it, and it doesn't seem as bad as it is.

OPM == Other People's Money. It's real easy to spend OPM. Especially when you are talking about money in quantities that are really to big to grasp. What's a few hundred million dollars here and there?

374 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #337 HugoChavez
Your language is gross and despicable. Really, that's a bit much. I down-dinged you.

375 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:55:42am

re: #362 opnion

Remember, they are brainwashed and unthinking. Just nod and back away slowly....

376 Ben Hur  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:56:10am

Georgia accused of Ossetia war crimes

The BBC has discovered evidence that Georgia may have committed war crimes in its attack on its breakaway region of South Ossetia in August.

Only proves their WILLFUL BLINDNESS to the Islamofascist campaign against the Jews.

Un effen Believable.

377 wright1  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:56:27am

re: #358 realwest


It is the battlegrounds that count my friend.

378 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:56:39am

re: #367 The Archivist

I'd like to see some concerted thinking along these lines.
First agendas after a McCain/Palin win:
1. Dismantle and/or defund ACORN
2. Find effective ways to teach the nation about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
3. Dismantle or defund the MSM. Probably most effective to notify advertisers that we're not playing.
4. [your input?]

Dang. I was thinking the same thing.

Start teaching the Declaration and Constitution in early grade school.

My elderly parents tell me that used to be done.

379 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #337 HugoChavez

*WHACK*

380 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:18am

Do Facts Matter?
by Thomas Sowell

Excerpt:

Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.

Read the whole thing.

381 poopeedoo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:26am

re: #363 maddogg

I must have a brain tumor. I'm really starting to dig those hillbuzz folks.

That's what we call strange bedfellows!

382 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #363 maddogg

I must have a brain tumor. I'm really starting to dig those hillbuzz folks.

They are the left out "sane" ones of the democratic party. They have been alienated by their own party and now are trying to find their way.

383 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:53am

re: #374 Irene NYC

I down-dinged you.

What does that mean?

384 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:56am

re: #318 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses

It's an early Christmas present for ACORN, that's for sure. It'll be month before Ohio voting is resolved with this stuff going on.

385 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:57:57am

re: #367 The Archivist

I totally agree with - especially #1 and #2. Ok, all three. I've been saying for a long time that the country needs educated - or re-educated - about the Constitution, capitalism and the reasons why this country was founded.

386 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:58:13am

re: #349 DeafDog

Obama on the Daily Show

NO(Bama) thanks.

387 poopeedoo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:58:28am

re: #337 HugoChavez

Bend over America and get ready to take Uncle Hugo's schlong up your tender white bung holes.

Clean up your act, dude.

388 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:58:29am

re: #376 Ben Hur

Georgia accused of Ossetia war crimes


Only proves their WILLFUL BLINDNESS to the Islamofascist campaign against the Jews.

Un effen Believable.

Eh, that's ok, after January 20th at Noon, most likely the Bush Administration will be accused of war crimes.

389 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #197 Nevergiveup

I thought he drowned during the making of "WaterWorld"?

The drowning was financial.

390 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:58:59am

re: #376 Ben Hur

Georgia accused of Ossetia war crimes

Only proves their WILLFUL BLINDNESS to the Islamofascist campaign against the Jews.

Un effen Believable.

BBC = Bullshit Broadcasting Collective

391 kynna  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:20am

The Politico is to me like sunlight to a vampire. Instapundit linked them a lot for a while and I wouldn't know until I'd clicked. Talk about a quick click back! I tried to read their POV. It made no sense and they omitted so much information the postings were just trash.

These guys think 'so what?' about their bias, and I think 'whatever' about their existence.

392 bellamags  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:24am

see ya later lizards.

393 Vergeltung  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:25am

re: #374 Irene NYC

Your language is gross and despicable. Really, that's a bit much. I down-dinged you.

me too. way too crude, IMO. he's usually funny with the (t)hugo posts, but not that time.......

394 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:26am

re: #318 Who Watches the Watchmen?

UNBELIEVABLE! So if two or three claim the same bench? How about the Princess and pea effect? 32 homeless persons all share the same bench!
UNBELIEVABLE!

395 gmsc  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:31am

re: #331 doppelganglander

Did you all know that Wednesday, November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day?

I remember when "V is for Vendetta" was still in the theaters, and a reporter talked to fans of the movie, some of whom were seeing for the 4th or 5th time. He would ask them who Guy Fawkes was, and none of them had the least little idea.

396 erisldysnomia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:52am

re: #388 tfc3rid

Eh, that's ok, after January 20th at Noon, most likely the Bush Administration will be accused of war crimes.

I hate to tell you (and Rush predicted this long ago), but if 0 wins, this will indeed happen.

397 midwestgak  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:02pm

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

I happen to think that people have a right to vote no matter how stupid they may be, or how easily they may be taken in by unscrupulous a-holes (how does the Nigeria scam still have legs after all of these years?).

I think that sometimes people who feel that they have a stake in the elections, Republican or Democrat, forget that there are huge segments of society that simply do not give a shit or, for one reason or another, don't have the time or capacity to give a shit. Those are the kind of people - ones who do not read the papers, watch Rush, or log on to LGF, etc. - that are taken in by such humorous antics as telling people of different parties to vote on different days.

It appears from some of the posts here though that apparently these people should not be afforded the right to vote simply because they are gullible. I disagree.

What does the Nigeria Scam have to do with knowing which day is voting day?

If a person doesn't know what day is voting day they do not give a shit.

These people are afforded the right to vote and it's there responsibility to know on which day to vote.

Sheesh

398 Nevergiveup  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:09pm

re: #383 erisldysnomia

What does that mean?

That she did not approve of Hugo's language and pros.

399 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:13pm

re: #321 Erik The Red

WTF?

"Stop Park Bench Foreclosures NOW!"

400 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:15pm

re: #325 hermeneutics

I agree that privatization is the way to go, but it is not politically feasible right now. What we really need to do is expand private education to the point where non-users of the public system achieve a critical mass in the electorate.

Since we're dreaming, I'd like to have Bill Gates's money! I'd spend every dime building private, conservative schools. Every single dime.

But in the meantime, we are fighting a rearguard action, trying to maintain the right of parents to educate their children as they see fit. This right is under increasing assault and will need a vigorous defense.

401 Irene NYC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:37pm

re: #379 MandyManners

*WHACK*

Mandy,
I think a few more are called for myself:
*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*

402 tfc3rid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:00:42pm

re: #396 erisldysnomia

I hate to tell you (and Rush predicted this long ago), but if 0 wins, this will indeed happen.

I know it will happen... The Dems will jump all over it...

403 Killian Bundy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:01:00pm

re: #373 Iron Fist

I've always thought that it would be better if we had to pay our taxes each month the way we do our power and water bills. /blockquote>

You can do that.

/although quarterly withholding payments are the norm

404 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:01:13pm

re: #372 wright1

I like it and am one of the few who believe "all Wright all the time" would have worked and may still yet. Dick Morris also agrees that this issue has been held back by the MSM. Let it rip I say.

I agree 100%.

405 Sabnen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:01:55pm

re: #174 Walter L. Newton

Wow. Good writing. This stuff has been rattling around in my head these last few days and you lay it out nice and clear. I'd gotten as far as "The Fourth Estate has turned and that Teacher Unions have finally dumbed down America so that they can't tell the Fourth Estate is biased anymore."

406 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:01:56pm

re: #337 HugoChavez

Okay, tone it down a little bit.

407 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 12:01:59pm

re: #345 blangwort

When outsourcing became vogue, it was called "Office without walls"
This will become "Media without FUNDS and walls"