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WaPo on Obama Campaign's Encouragement of Fraudulent and Untraceable Donations

Politics | Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:30:12 am PDT

The Washington Post finally starts to cover the real issue in the Barack Obama campaign’s acceptance of fraudulent credit card donations—the fact that the campaign has deliberately disabled the online payment industry’s standard safeguards against fraud: Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations.

Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor’s identity, campaign officials confirmed.

Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged. Instead, the campaign is scrutinizing its books for improper donations after the money has been deposited.

The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

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1 Dasher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:32:50am

Where is everyone?

2 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:33:38am

The article is lacking the overt action taken to disable the validation process.

3 wright1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:33:58am

Make up your mind. Are you journalists or are you stooges - which is it?

4 wright1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:35:15am

McCain needs to pound this nonetheless.

5 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:35:41am

faux-credit card donations...who would have thought
/

6 StinkHammer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:35:46am
The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

Uh-huh. Sure they have.

7 Tumulus11  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:36:48am

. Hamas endorses prepaid credit cards.

8 maddogg  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:37:21am

"The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations."

Bullshit. Pathological, unforgivable lying sons of Marx.

9 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:37:48am

Of course, the article goes on to state that the McCain campaign supposedly had suspect credit card donations, too, and went on to list what I assume was all of them. My experience with McCain-Palin is that my card was checked quite thoroughly, though, with the confirmation coming several days later. And by the way, if supposedly "untraceable" pre-paid credit cards were so untraceable, all my tin-foil hat survivalist friends would be using 'em. They can be traced. There's just no Ø will to do so.

10 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:37:51am
11 jill e  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:38:17am

I'm reminded of a different kind of "plumber" than Joe the Plumber.

12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:38:21am

I'm sure the in depth expose they have planned sometime mid November will be devastating.

13 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:38:26am
The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

Oh geez.

How this sounds like Bill Clinton.

14 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:38:57am

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

15 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:39:10am

This is how foriegn entities influence our elections. There is only one campaign that is allowing this malfeasance.

Lefty posts on the WaPo article claim.... "Oh yeah, well the McCain campaign takes credit cards too".

Nice defense.
/

16 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:40:12am

It is time to start fueling the flying pig, or are we asking too much?

17 StinkHammer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Note the utter contradiction between the first paragraph quoted, and the third. The campaign admits that it accepts "largely untraceable prepaid credit cards," then says in the next breath that it has "refunded any improper contributions."

Really? To "untraceable" donors? How can it tell which donations are "improper" and which not?

Good catch.

The shysters.

18 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #14 Shug

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

Oh, sh*t. You're right.

19 mattm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:41:36am

re: #6 StinkHammer

Not with mine.

20 yesandno  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:41:36am

Pssssssssttttt...

(pass it along...you can contribute all you want to the Obama campaign....tell eveyone you know...doesn't matter what name you use....use this number 5396-0000-0000....they don't track it...it will be returned after the election...along with your tax cut....

this is hush hush...let all your friends know...change, hope, troof)

/bet there are some Credit card numbers with hundred of thousands of dollar on them...many Americans abroad named Mohammed.

21 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:41:38am

Anyone got 10 bucks to spare?

Shall we all go to Obama's donation site and donate multiple $1 contirbution sin the name of our nics, address "Lizardville"?

22 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #14 Shug

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

That's what I'm afraid of.

23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:42:14am

Your run of the mill hard core pornography site has more secure credit card procedures than Barry does

24 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:42:45am

I did not read the article and I am not sure it is covered in this article (probably not) but a commenter that I read on another website said that Visa and MC gift cards could be used on the Obama site. Talk about not being able to verify or track contributions....

25 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:43:22am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your run of the mill hard core pornography site has more secure credit card procedures than Barry does

And that was just the Bill Clinton campaign contribution sites.

26 maddogg  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:43:43am

re: #14 Shug

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

Time to invest in white cloth and flag companies.

27 jetprop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:43:44am

re: #16 Honorary Yooper

It is time to start fueling the flying pig, or are we asking too much?

/Calls the line guys, hangar door creak open...

28 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:43:48am

The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

In other words,,

TRUST US,,, WE'RE POLICING OURSELVES,,, NO NEED FOR YOU SNOOPY FEC AND JOURNALISTS TO BE INVOLVED !

29 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:44:00am

re: #14 Shug

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

Didn't you get the memo? The world is going to love us again.

30 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:44:06am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your run of the mill hard core pornography site has more secure credit card procedures than Barry does

And at the end of the day, more gets accomplished.

31 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:44:25am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your run of the mill hard core pornography site has more secure credit card procedures than Barry does

ggeeeeezzz ,, at LEAST provide a link or ten!

/

32 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:44:34am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[psst...you forgot "or so I'm told." Quick!]

33 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:44:39am

re: #14 Shug

If you like what Obama did for Credit card security, you'll love what he does for National Security

Untraceable Visas for Unrevokable Visas

34 opnion  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:45:01am

This is The Revolution, "By any means necessary"
This was all the rage in the 60's & has never really gone away.
If fradulent campaign donations further the Cause, hey it's the revolution.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:45:14am
36 CommonCents  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:45:48am

re: #20 yesandno

Pssssssssttttt...

(pass it along...you can contribute all you want to the Obama campaign....tell eveyone you know...doesn't matter what name you use....use this number 5396-0000-0000....they don't track it...it will be returned after the election...along with your tax cut....

this is hush hush...let all your friends know...change, hope, troof)

/bet there are some Credit card numbers with hundred of thousands of dollar on them...many Americans abroad named Mohammed.

So let me get this straight. The Obama campaign is saying that there is no verification taking place on credit card donations which is really saying, just go to our website and enter in any credit card number. If you know the first 8 digits of your mom and dad's card, then just start making up combinations of the last 8, odds are you'll give us money. Just not yours. That's a bunch of crap!

37 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:45:55am

re: #28 sattv4u2

The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

In other words,,

TRUST US,,, WE'RE POLICING OURSELVES,,, NO NEED FOR YOU SNOOPY FEC AND JOURNALISTS TO BE INVOLVED !

In reality, the Obama organzation just demonstrably lied through its teeth.

Time to call them, email them, pester them for proof.

38 mattm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:46:10am

Extensive review = if the CC# and expy. is valid, let it go.

39 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:46:11am

re: #28 sattv4u2

The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

In other words,,

TRUST US,,, WE'RE POLICING OURSELVES,,, NO NEED FOR YOU SNOOPY FEC AND JOURNALISTS TO BE INVOLVED !

Even their security guards had fallen asleep. Imagine everybody's shock when the MSM actually came to investigate.

40 Spiritualized  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:46:48am

Their entire campaign including The Messiah himself should be under Federal investigation.

41 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:46:58am

The MSM is trying to salvage their reputation before it's too late. Then they can say later "Sure we had hard-hitting pieces about The Messiah -- uh, President Obama!" Of course, it will be too late, but they won't mention that part.

42 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:47:31am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Great. An International Basket of STDs is on its way...

Free health care for everyone!

43 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:47:35am

OT: I've seen this commercial on the tube twice in the last half hour.

44 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:48:10am

As is a common theme in much of what Obama does, and actually says: the ends justify the means.

45 cblesz  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:48:34am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I've seen this commercial on the tube twice in the last half hour.


Where are you at?

46 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:48:39am

re: #3 wright1

Make up your mind. Are you journalists or are you stooges - which is it?

Your underlying mistake is in assuming that there is a difference.

'Journalists' are there to make a difference. 'Reporters' are there to tell the story straight-up.

The difference is a yawning chasm that makes that little ditch over in Arizona look like a wagon wheel rut in a concrete parking lot.

47 uptight  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:48:56am

More belated contrition from the Obamedia.

No WAPO we won't forget how shamelessly biased you are your peers were.

You have helped kill print journalism and this won't bring it back from the dead.

48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #44 WrathofG-d

As is a common theme in much of what Obama does, and actually says: the ends justify the means.

But its for your own good!

49 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:04am

A fraud perpetrating fraud. Is anyone really surprised?

50 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:09am

My understanding of the card processor business model is that if you engage in risky behavior or likely to charged back products; that they substantially raise the processing fees they charge.

Who is the processor for the BHO campaign and are they charging an appropriate market rate for the risks associated with running a card processing operation without any safeguards in place?

If a politically connected bank or financial organization is not charging an appropriate rate - then that in and of itself would be a massive campaign finance violation.

51 Charles  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:10am

Note: I'm seriously considering banning spinoff links to WorldNetDaily. I have serious problems with their reporting. Biased isn't even the word for it -- it's more like "loony."

52 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:11am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes. The McCain campaign's final ad push is ramping up in PA too.

53 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:12am
The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations.

Willfully exploiting loopholes. This does not bode well for how he'd treat other rules of the Executive branch.

54 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:25am

NRO talks about the lady in Missouri who found her name on there several dozen times, totally $174,000.

Not charge to her card, but her name and city.

55 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:53am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I've seen this commercial on the tube twice in the last half hour.

McCain should buy a half hour tonight playing that over and over and over , run it against Barrys love-a-thon

56 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:57am
57 Junior  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:50:04am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I've seen this commercial on the tube twice in the last half hour.

What is it? I can't stream youtube at work

58 Knitwit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:50:19am

Illegals in our area (Charlotte) buy pre-paid cards by the fistful.

59 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:51:07am

re: #45 cblesz

Where are you at?

California.

60 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:51:15am
61 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:51:15am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

And this is Dan Rather, signing off. Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

62 Dave the.....  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:51:18am

Charles

Note: I'm seriously considering banning spinoff links to WorldNetDaily. I have serious problems with their reporting. Biased isn't even the word for it -- it's more like "loony."


I'm pretty right wing, and I stay far away from that place. The left doesn't have monopoly on over-the-top sites.

63 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:51:52am

re: #57 Junior

What is it? I can't stream youtube at work

one by one, "ordinary people" saying that they are "JOE THE PLUMBER"
("I am JTP)

64 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:52:10am
65 filetandrelease  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:52:47am

Ahem, let me try that again.

My new bumper sticker.

66 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:52:52am

IMHO, the msm will 'report' some negative things about The Zero just to say they did. It might be too late to get this information to the 'unwashed masses' that are obamabots.

67 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:52:54am

re: #57 Junior

What is it? I can't stream youtube at work

McCain's "I'm Joe the Plumber/Spread the wealth" commercial.

68 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Exactly. But the truth is, if you hear Obama answer tough questions about his policies and practices, he tends to respond with an answer which is essentially: the ends justify the means.

He was asked a difficult question (maybe you can refresh my memory about what exactly if you heard it too) and his answer was not an answer to the question but instead a spin, where he stated "the real question is if we will be better off in 4 years from now."

Thus, his point was something to the effect of: sure, what I might be doing might not be on the up-and-up, but doing so will ensure we are better off in 4 years (aka: the ends will justify my illegal/immoral means)

69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:05am

re: #63 sattv4u2

one by one, "ordinary people" saying that they are "JOE THE PLUMBER"
("I am JTP)

Saw 3-4 big rigs in the last week with "I am Joe" on them

70 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:29am

re: #65 filetandrelease

Ahem, let me try that again.

My new bumper sticker.

Nada

71 jester6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:32am

re: #34 opnion

This is The Revolution, "By any means necessary"
This was all the rage in the 60's & has never really gone away.
If fradulent campaign donations further the Cause, hey it's the revolution.

Didn't Chicago 7 member Abbie Hoffman's title his book -

"Steal this Book"

72 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:36am

re: #13 ErislDysnomia

Oh geez.

How this sounds like Bill Clinton.

Al Gore: "No controlling legal authority"

73 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:45am

re: #65 filetandrelease

jerk!

Use the preview button.

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:48am
75 vxbush  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:53:50am

You know, in principle I like the pre-paid cards because I can buy one as a gift for a relative and know that he/she can use it anywhere. But never in my wildest imagination did I think that they would be used for FEC violations like this. In a very bad way, I have to give Obama's campaign credit for figuring out a new way to violate the spirit (and letter) of the law.

76 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:54:05am

re: #65 filetandrelease

Ahem, let me try that again.

My new bumper sticker.

Preview is your friend.

77 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:54:23am

My contribution as "Daniel Jackson, Stargate Command, Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs, CO, djackson@sg1.af.command.mil, Employer Stargate Command, Occupation Archeologist, Mastercard 8123 1012 0120 1111 got rejected by the Obama site due to "Invalid credit card type."

78 filetandrelease  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:54:35am

A good friend of mine, a democrat, was just interviewed for local news as Cindy the hair dresser. She is a strong McCain supporter. Does not want redistribution of wealth.

79 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:55:02am

Any bets on whether this will be on CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC tonight? I suspect Lou Dobbs and Campbell Brown will touch on it and the others will be humming with their fingers in their ears.

80 maddogg  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:55:11am

I expect "free" health care to be the worst bargain in American history. First of all, do you suspect certain types to game the system? Do you expect the system will be plagued with mismanagement and fraud? Do you expect some to overuse the service? And why would anyone willingly pay for a system that gives them the same consideration as it gives the multitudes of parasitic life forms inhabiting the society? Do I think everyone deserves health care? Hell no. Is health care a right? Hell no.

If you think highly of the postal service, you may not be disappointed.

There is virtually NOTHING the government can't fuck up.

81 vxbush  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #74 taxfreekiller

best guess is Bank Of America

of note:
taking the "me-trick-you" cards of the illegals and all

You really think so, now that they bought out MBNA? That seems incredibly stupid, given they own a huge percentage of the credit card business.

82 x-wing  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #65 filetandrelease

Ahem, let me try that again.

My new bumper sticker.

You did it again dude.

83 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:01am

Mark Steyn at The Corner at National Review
concludes:

Here's the bottom line:

Two-thirds of the record-breaking haul Obama raised for the final stretch of the campaign comes from a racket set up to facilitate fake names, phony addresses and untraceable cards.

And at HotAir:

After writing twice about the deliberate decision by the Barack Obama campaign to avoid validation checks on credit-card contributions, I’ve heard from a number of people in the credit-card industry on how this works. Two explanations in particular explain the depth of deliberation and deception involved in disregarding address and security-code verification. The first explains that Team Obama probably didn’t just opt out of using these verification processes, but more likely rewrote the code on their site to bypass them, emphases mine:

84 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:09am

re: #80 maddogg

I expect "free" health care to be the worst bargain in American history. F

As in any area, you get at best what you pay for.

Usually less.

In the case of already exhausted doctors, you're gonna get a LOT less.

85 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:13am

re: #63 sattv4u2

one by one, "ordinary people" saying that they are "JOE THE PLUMBER"
("I am JTP)

I just came back home from my office, which is about 3 miles from my house .On my way home, a house close to the shop had propped up a piece of plywood, and propped it up against the mailbox post. On the plywood was spray painted "I AM JOE THE PLUMBER". It had just been put up, as it was not there when I went into the shop this morning. That homemade sign says a lot.

86 filetandrelease  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:16am

re: #73 WrathofG-d

jerk!

Use the preview button.

I did use the preview button, bone head.

Off, it works fine on mine. oh well, on the preview button that is.

87 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:34am

re: #53 Sharmuta

With no experience, no background, no scruples and presumably no opposition, the Ø would aspire to a Big Man-type of rule in the executive branch. Like its cousin Raila Odinga in Kenya. Trouble is, for Big Man rule, you need a Big Man. Empty suited puppets need not apply.

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:47am

If they refund it after the money's been on deposit for ... uh ... awhile, then they are profiting by accruing interest.

Are they giving back the interest?

/oh HELL NO!

89 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:58am

re: #82 x-wing

You did it again dude.

Is this the internet equivalent of walking out of a bathroom with T-p sticking out of your pants?

90 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:57:08am

re: #66 newsjunkie_ky

IMHO, the msm will 'report' some negative things about The Zero just to say they did.

Agreed. One or two things that they can point to to prove their 'fairness.'

91 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #86 filetandrelease

I did use the preview button, bone head.

Off, it works fine on mine. oh well, on the preview button that is.

Probably because you're logged in.

92 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:57:41am

re: #83 reine.de.tout

The first explains that Team Obama probably didn’t just opt out of using these verification processes, but more likely rewrote the code on their site to bypass them

That could easily be considered a criminal act, or an act to aid and abet criminal activity. RICO time...

93 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:57:48am

re: #54 Dave the.....

NRO talks about the lady in Missouri who found her name on there several dozen times, totally $174,000.

Not charge to her card, but her name and city.

If that were me, I would call BARRY and demand "MY" 174K back!

Hell ,, MY name,,, must be MY money, right ?

94 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:57:50am

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Saw 3-4 big rigs in the last week with "I am Joe" on them

I didn't even think about the independent truckers. Obamas increased tax plan will kill all of them, every last one. They gross well over $250K a year. His tax will make them quit and sell their trucks and become company men.

95 wright1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:58:22am

Back to the subject of the L.A. Times "tape", this post at Hiibuzz indicates Sarah is talk'in ths issue up and the RNC (and possibly Fox news) may know more about this than we know.

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

96 jester6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:58:37am

re: #50 de La Valette

My understanding of the card processor business model is that if you engage in risky behavior or likely to charged back products; that they substantially raise the processing fees they charge.

Who is the processor for the BHO campaign and are they charging an appropriate market rate for the risks associated with running a card processing operation without any safeguards in place?

If a politically connected bank or financial organization is not charging an appropriate rate - then that in and of itself would be a massive campaign finance violation.

The rate really is not the issue. And you can get variable rates depending on the type of card and the type of information you collect to verify the holders proper authorization.

Get the name and address of the person using a run of the mill card at you would be 2% or 3%.

Get the name and address for an AMEX platinum and pay 3% or 4%.

Even you pay a 10% fee on cards with no ID attached you are still getting 90% of the contribution. And your only risk is a chargeback if the person says the contribution was not authorized. Many people make a nice living off or fake $5 charges.

97 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:58:41am

Since they have the safeguards diabled, what would happen if you entered a negative amount in the donation amount block? WOuld it deposit $2300.00 in your account? Just wondering......

98 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:58:55am

re: #73 WrathofG-d

jerk!

Use the preview button.

Preview button will work just fine for filetandrelease (his ip address is logged in). Not for anyone else as the site requires login to view images.

99 J.S.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:58:56am

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) a while back told all retailers to be on the alert -- with respect to pre-paid credit cards. Apparently there's a scam or a fraud which involves the use of these cards. They're used by drug cartels, mobster types, etc., because the funds are non-traceable...It has to do with money laundering...

100 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:59:04am

re: #86 filetandrelease

I would right click on your bumper sticker and open it in another window or tab and try that. Also- log out of Horde and then preview.

101 x-wing  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:59:32am

re: #89 Creeping Eruption

Is this the internet equivalent of walking out of a bathroom with T-p sticking out of your pants?

LOL

102 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:59:44am
103 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:59:45am

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I've seen this commercial on the tube twice in the last half hour.

I've been seeing that commercial since very shortly after Joe the Plumber became news. Run lots of times, like during football games last weekend.

104 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:01:01am

I'm having too much fun (and not getting enough work done) cruising some of the PUMA blogs.

Among them I found this quip by one of their leaders:

"We Are the Ones No One Was Expecting" -- Darragh Murphy

May it be so!

105 Beholden  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:01:17am

If you haven't yet, please sign the Petition

[Link: www.thepetitionsite.com...]

106 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:02:05am

When McCain wins, he should give JOE THE PLUMBER a Congressional Medal Of Honor for saving this country

107 JohnAdams  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:02:34am

re: #78 filetandrelease

A good friend of mine, a democrat, was just interviewed for local news as Cindy the hair dresser. She is a strong McCain supporter. Does not want redistribution of wealth.

Hearing more and more of that. I think a lot of center Dems are turning. It's because they work. They like to work, they are proud people. The Dems have never NOT gotten this more than this year. This could have been a slam-dunk year for them if they had not called up this radical candidate. Now they are scrambling as people who work, and are often too busy to follow the campaign, are beginning to make up their minds.

The fatal flaw of the types of intellectual liberals who drive the left-wing debate and set Democrat policy, is that they are so out of touch with people who actually work hard for a living, that they find themselves holding the bag with a bunch of unmotivated, lower-class people, only half of whom will actually vote, who are looking for goverment handouts.

108 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:02:47am

I'm having an awful time getting in and getting new comments. I have to reload my page over and over. Is it just traffic or am I missing something here?

109 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:02:58am

I've personally spoken with my good friends "akfhg", "984hf7g", "gnxl", and "5" and they all agree that this WAPO expose is RACIST!

/Do I really need this?

110 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:03:06am
111 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:03:35am

re: #107 JohnAdams

Well said! Upding.

112 bnichols10  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:03:40am

The Obama site does have some security - I tried to donate $0.01 in the name of John McCain and found out that it won't accept donations of less than $5.00. I was hoping that I could hit them with a big transaction fee for processing my small donation. Oh well...

113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:03:51am

re: #106 sattv4u2

When McCain wins, he should give JOE THE PLUMBER a Congressional Medal Of Honor for saving this country

Legion of Merit, MoH is for armed services only

114 jester6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:04:33am

re: #77 ErislDysnomia

The number is invalid. for starters mastercards start with a 5, visa 4 and amex 3. Also there is a basic mathematical way to check if the number is possibly valid to avoid typos.

That Mod10 technique is explained here [Link: www.azcode.com...]

Checking the first digit and mod10 is the absolute lowest form of verification and often it is not even possible to disable it on processing hardware or software.

115 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:04:44am
116 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:05:17am

where'd my "new comments" button go !?!?! (it's there but light and can't clicky)

117 x-wing  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:05:44am

re: #108 Creeping Eruption

I'm having an awful time getting in and getting new comments. I have to reload my page over and over. Is it just traffic or am I missing something here?

Been like that the last couple of days. Charles is working to get a bigger server.

/hopefully before the election.

118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:05:45am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your run of the mill hard core pornography site has more secure credit card procedures than Barry does

Either way, someone's getting screwed.

119 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:06:08am

Somebody did some fine detective work piecing together the guest list of that Obama/Khalidi dinner the LA Times is hiding...

Location:
Burbank Manor, 6312 W 79th St., Burbank, Illinois

Time:
Friday, August 1, 2003
6pm - Reception
7pm - Dinner and Reception

Those who attended:
1. AAAN (Arab American Action Network)
2. Not In My Name
3. Ali Abunimah (a Palestinian rights activist in Chicago who helps run Electronic Intifada, who met Obama in 2000)
4. Bernadine Dorhn and Bill Ayers
5. Barack Obama
6. Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley
7. Rashid Khalidi
8. Mona Khalidi
9. Gihad Ali, a Palestinian spoken word poet
10. NPR Worldview host Jerome McDonnell (not McDonald as written in the e-mail)
11. Camilia Odeh (director of SWYC Southwest Youth Collaborative)
12. Sanabel debka troupe (traditional Palestinian dance group)
13. Hatem Abudayyeh
14. Others - Up to 50 to 500 guests

Possible attendees:
1. Michelle Obama
2. Toni Rezko (Rezko was a donor to one of Rashid's University programs)
3. Edward Said

120 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:06:11am

What is a pre-paid charge card anyway?
Isn't the point of a credit card the liberty to buy stuff and pay for it next month?
So, why use a charge card if its pre-paid -- why not use cash?

I just don't get it. And I've never seen or heard of a prepaid card.

121 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Legion of Merit, MoH is for armed services only

give him a military commission then give him both awards

122 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:06:46am

re: #117 x-wing

Thanks. I didn't know if it was something on my end. We are tinkering with our computers here.

123 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:06:56am

Uh, isn't that illegal? Shouldn't the government be looking into this?

124 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:07:23am

re: #104 The Archivist

"We Are the Ones No One Was Expecting" -- Darragh Murphy

Perfect. The PUMAs have been amazing, and I think they will save the day.

125 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:08:31am

re: #99 J.S.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) a while back told all retailers to be on the alert -- with respect to pre-paid credit cards. Apparently there's a scam or a fraud which involves the use of these cards. They're used by drug cartels, mobster types, etc., because the funds are non-traceable...It has to do with money laundering...

Never use your credit card or debit card in a small business operated by people of questionable character. If you must shop there, use cash only.

126 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:08:37am

re: #120 hermeneutics

What is a pre-paid charge card anyway?
Isn't the point of a credit card the liberty to buy stuff and pay for it next month?
So, why use a charge card if its pre-paid -- why not use cash?

I just don't get it. And I've never seen or heard of a prepaid card.

Your credit is good. For someone with either bad or non-existing credit, a pre-paid card is the only way they have of using a credit card.

127 x-wing  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:08:46am

re: #122 Creeping Eruption

Now mine froze. Have to post a comment or reload.

/please hurry with the new server Great Lizard.

128 JohnnyReb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:09:04am

re: #99 J.S.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) a while back told all retailers to be on the alert -- with respect to pre-paid credit cards. Apparently there's a scam or a fraud which involves the use of these cards. They're used by drug cartels, mobster types, etc., because the funds are non-traceable...It has to do with money laundering...

They do that here at the two Casinos. You see them in the trash all the time after they make withdrawals from the cash cages.

129 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:09:16am

re: #94 JohnnyReb

I didn't even think about the independent truckers. Obamas increased tax plan will kill all of them, every last one. They gross well over $250K a year. His tax will make them quit and sell their trucks and become company men.

Uh... You get taxed on the net after expenses are deducted, not on what you gross.

130 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:09:50am

re: #120 hermeneutics

What is a pre-paid charge card anyway?
Isn't the point of a credit card the liberty to buy stuff and pay for it next month?
So, why use a charge card if its pre-paid -- why not use cash?

I just don't get it. And I've never seen or heard of a prepaid card.

A),,,give them as gifts (not as "tacy' as cash so says the wife
B),,if lost you can have it deaded out and get a replacement (unlike if you lost cash)
B) convenience (just like an ordinary CC but with a pre-set limit,,good for college students so they don't overspend in a given amount of time)

131 Killer Tomato  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:10:13am

re: #120 hermeneutics

I've given them to my young teen nieces and nephews as birthday, Christmas, etc., gifts.
They love them - they're accepted just about anywhere and work basically like a credit card.

132 roberth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:10:26am

Of course it was buried off the front page and lacks any of the clarion call to action it would have if McCain was the culprit. Plus, it is too late. The money is in the bank and paying for the propaganda that is burying McCain.

133 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:10:40am

re: #120 hermeneutics

Pre-paid credit cards

Many parents use them to fund their college kids. They can use them to buy groceries, etc, but you can track their spending so you know it's not going to booze or night clubbing.

134 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:11:21am
135 bnichols10  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #126 Perplexed

They are also common as rebate cards. I bought a new cell phone and they sent me a $50 Mastercard instead of a rebate check.

136 hermeneutics  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:12:23am

Thanks for the information. Somehow I've lived 40+ years without knowing about prepaid cards. Oh well.

137 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:12:38am

re: #119 Kenneth

Edward Said

[ptui] This worthless troll is roasting in hell for Orientalism alone, much less anything else he did.

138 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:13:05am

re: #95 wright1

Back to the subject of the L.A. Times "tape", this post at Hiibuzz indicates Sarah is talk'in ths issue up and the RNC (and possibly Fox news) may know more about this than we know.

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

The folks at Hillbuzz are very politically experienced. I think they may be on to something.

139 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:13:49am

This man Obama and the DNC are nakedly selling the country.

In the memory of every soldier who ever died for the USA, I solemnly curse them.

140 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:14:44am

Here's a scary thought.

Over at another thread:

re: #302 Chasing Zero

Has the LAT recently even ASKED the person that gave them this tape whether they could release it? Do newspapers agree to sources that the information provided has conditional uses?
The source obviously thought it was important enough originally to be provided to the LAT. What did they think the LAT was intending to do with the tape? What was the ultimate goal of the source? I can't imagine the source thought the LAT was just going to write a sanitized summary of a meaningless dinner attended 5 years ago by Obama.

To which I raised the issue:

Is the original source still ... er ... alive? Or is this a case for CSI?

141 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:15:56am

Could the LA Times be withholding the tape in part because they knew the original contributor was rubbed out?

142 Cast Iron Magnolia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:15:59am

re: #108 Creeping Eruption

I'm having an awful time getting in and getting new comments. I have to reload my page over and over. Is it just traffic or am I missing something here?


No, it's not just you. I have had probs the last couple of days.

143 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:17:46am

re: #86 filetandrelease

I did use the preview button, bone head.

Off, it works fine on mine. oh well, on the preview button that is.

You are likely giving a link to a website that you are logged into, and it is not available to someone that is not logged in.

144 Cast Iron Magnolia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:18:00am

I'm re-posting this from a prior thread in case our Leader didn't see it:

CHARLES, Sweetie!
Are we under attack? Or, are you just so popular these days that it's difficult to get on LGF?
For the last couple of days, I can't get the pages to load, and if I do, I have trouble logging in, or using any of the dingie thingies.
Everything seems bogged down....Is it just me?

145 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:18:11am

re: #9 Pullus Iulius

Of course, the article goes on to state that the McCain campaign supposedly had suspect credit card donations, too, and went on to list what I assume was all of them. My experience with McCain-Palin is that my card was checked quite thoroughly, though, with the confirmation coming several days later. And by the way, if supposedly "untraceable" pre-paid credit cards were so untraceable, all my tin-foil hat survivalist friends would be using 'em. They can be traced. There's just no Ø will to do so.

They always do that. They like to point out some little thing that "may have" happened in the McCain campaign and then they say it's a wash. They are so calculating and slimy. They always stretch the rules to the limit. Then basically say: "Na, Na, gotcha!" When they do things that are illegal, they know if they get caught it will take awhile to be discovered and by the time anyone would do anything about, it'll be too late and probably forgotten.

146 dhg4  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:18:43am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Note the utter contradiction between the first paragraph quoted, and the third. The campaign admits that it accepts "largely untraceable prepaid credit cards," then says in the next breath that it has "refunded any improper contributions."

Really? To "untraceable" donors? How can it tell which donations are "improper" and which not?

Exactly. I'm not so impressed with this article. In his previous career covering Maryland politics, Matthew Mosk was very activist on behalf of Martin O'Malley. His previous article on bundling was riddled with errors. And there's also this:

Lawyers for the Obama operation said yesterday that their "extensive back-end review" has carefully scrubbed contributions to prevent illegal money from entering the operation's war chest. "I'm pretty sure if I took my error rate and matched it against any other campaign or comparable nonprofit, you'd find we're doing very well," said Robert Bauer, a lawyer for the campaign. "I have not seen the McCain compliance staff ascending to heaven on a cloud."

Maybe not, but McCain's staff has been doing front end compliance checks, including demanding passports from overseas contributors.

I guess the meatiest part of the article is where it describes the case of Mary T. Biskup, which gives lie to this:

. . . the campaign does a rigorous comprehensive analysis of online contributions on the back end of the transaction to determine whether a contribution is legitimate."

147 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:19:03am

re: #141 ErislDysnomia

The original contributor wanted to suppress the tape and knew the RNC/McCain campaign was getting close to it. He could hand it to the LAT with the claim that releasing it would identify him, and thus would constitute a violation of shield laws. This would effectively give legal sanction to hiding the tape. Very clever.

148 saltmarsh  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:19:15am

Would someone please change Obama's diaper, he's really starting to stink up the place.

/before he can redistribute it

149 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:22:06am

How. Very. Sad.

150 joncelli  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:22:32am

OT: FOMC Cuts Key Interest Rate by 50 Basis Points to 1.0%. Let's hope the markets do even better than they already are (Dow at 9121.11, up 55.99).

151 RickZ  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:25:44am

A question I have is this: Before Obama reneged on his promise to take public funding for his campaign, did his website have the AVS in place and only degrade the system once the campaign knew they could scam the election system for more money than they could ever possibly receive through public funds?

152 Kenneth  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:26:49am

re: #137 joncelli

[ptui] This worthless troll is roasting in hell for Orientalism alone, much less anything else he did.

Said's concept of "The Other" is nothing more than an academically dressed up leftist projection of the traditional Islamic term "kafir".

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:29:03am

re: #108 Creeping Eruption

I'm having an awful time getting in and getting new comments. I have to reload my page over and over. Is it just traffic or am I missing something here?

Me too.

154 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:29:28am

This is Nixon Part II

The Obama fundraising machine is a wholesale end-run around the campaign finance laws. The deeper you look the worse it gets. There is much we don't know yet but on its face, this is way bad and destined to get much worse. Caveat: the latter part of this post is purely speculative as it assumes an Obama win, the truth coming out and the discovery a full blown conspiracy to steal an election.

It is not just the switching off the AVS (name/addy verification); they also do not use geolocation to see WHERE the money is coming from. This is used by normal people and websites to prevent fraud. Why allow a computer from Gaza or Indonesia even to touch your online store site,? Why kick open the door to a potential tidal wave of illegal donations that you cannot accept and must ultimately refund? Yet, unlike McCain and Clinton, Obama's webmasters did precisely that. It is one thing to be aggressive and push to the edges of the law- you can do that in good faith, politics is not cricket.

However, this has all the hallmarks of something far worse:

The Obama campaign has taken the exact deliberate steps you would do to allow maximum illegal foreign donations and illegal domestic donations. For all their promises to scrub the mess afterwards, there is ample evidence that the Obama campaign is not refunding blatantly illegal donations even MONTHS after they are made. This the "focus is on winning and the law be damned" that made the 1972 election so special.

Now stir into this steaming mound the following: reports of people's credit cards billed for contributions the actual cardholder denies ever making.

This is the true bombshell story- this cannot happen by accident. Some organized group, with lists of cardholder information (requiring wholesale identity theft) is ramming through donations on other people's cards. What banks are doing this? They better be keeping the records. The Obama campaign must be charged with actual knowledge of this happening because they intentionally disarmed every safeguard against these practices and having set the door to open seem content to watch the illegal funds flow.

Bad enough if its just US citizens, if indeed, the money is coming foreign sources, who sent this money and should the American people accept an election purchased perhaps by governments virtually at war with our country?

If true, it is a mortal threat to our democracy.

If Obama wins by a fraction the methods of how he won becomes quite material. People in Chicago led by a Mayor Daley stole the 1960 election; the country needs to have honesty and transparency in our politics not old style Chicago murk using modern internet technology to frustrate the will of the people.

There is more to come on this story. There is much more to learn and the Republican Party should take this as far as it goes. If the Democrats accept Chicago corrupt practices and stonewall investigation into this election, we face a constitutional crisis. What did Obama know and when did he know it? Even the idea that foreign governments affected OUR election to get the man they want is repellent to most Americans.

If the facts are borne out, the outcome of the election cannot be allowed to stand. It is one thing to cheat in our own country but to have sold out to or tacitly conspired with foreign interests is beyond the pale. Democrats, will be forced to choose between the principals of our democracy or being party to a banana republic stolen election. Either they will act to assure our form of government or face annihilation at the polls in 2010. This is not going to go away.

And how, if Obama is ensnared in this mess do we make things right? The only remedy I see for a stolen election is electing McCain President Pro Tem of the Senate with Obama and Biden stepping down or getting impeached.

I hope there is no conspiracy but do not be surprised when server logs are gone and webmasters flee the country. Hopefully McCain wins and we never have to worry.

155 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:33:22am

re: #92 ErislDysnomia

That could easily be considered a criminal act, or an act to aid and abet criminal activity. RICO time...

Well, there's no evidence that they did indeed rewrite the code. That wasan explanation by somebody who may be in a position to know how that kind of stuff gets done, and it may or may not be how Obama's online donation process came to be the way it is.

156 calcajun  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:33:40am

Finally someone is taking notice. The question is whether this should have broken last week or is this enough?

157 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:34:42am

If they don't know who made the donation, how can they verify that the donation is legal? Just because they say it is? How is this not conspiracy to commit fraud?

Oh, that's right. They get the "Democrats get out of jail free" card.

158 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:41:06am

re: #155 reine.de.tout

and it may or may not be how Obama's online donation process came to be the way it is.

It may have been the work of underlings to disable the data fields for donor's names etc.

But it happened on Obama's watch.

He is dishonored and cannot ever duck this.

159 mattm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:42:56am

re: #54 Dave the.....

NRO talks about the lady in Missouri who found her name on there several dozen times, totally $174,000.

Not charge to her card, but her name and city.

Fraud we can believe in.

160 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:42:56am

re: #154 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It is one thing to cheat in our own country but to have sold out to or tacitly conspired with foreign interests is beyond the pale.

I curse the Democrats.

My curse personally means I will never vote for another Democrat, ever.

161 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:43:10am

Democrats are above the law.
They are above shame- They are like mobsters.

162 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:45:04am

re: #161 FrogMarch

Mobsters should be in prison

163 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:45:21am
164 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:50:07am

re: #154 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I don't see how you keep this thing non-violent if Obama wins and then his win is proven to have been through illegal voters. Especially when they are being so blatent about their violations of law. What legal sanctions/remedies are left?

Do we just write off the election as something that happens? Tough titty, said the kitty, and we all just go to the house? What incentative would the Democrats have to ever play by the rules again, when cheating is free of consequences?

I am very worried about this election.

165 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:55:10am

OT Yesterday on Rush he had a lady caller that was "down in the mouth"
about the election. I think she was concerned about Obama's redistribution of wealth since she and her husband own a small business. Anyway, Rush trying to make her feel better told her he wanted to send her a book he's promoting.
She didn't seem impressed about that, so Rush said, "What would make you happy, a new car?" She answered yes. So Rush told her to hold on the line and they would get her info. so he could get her a car.

Today he just confirmed that yes indeed he's going to get her a car.

Take that Oprah!

166 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:58:34am

re: #164 Iron Fist

One remedy is if speaks before me I will face away from him the whole time.

167 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:07:29pm

How much money has bin Laden potentially contributed, and how would we ever know? Soros?

168 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:11:09pm

re: #96 jester6

Jester6,

If the campaign's business practice would warrant a 10% charge at normal market rates; and say the card processor is giving them preferential rates of 3% then that missing 7% of who knows how many millions is essentially a campaign donation from the card processor.

The rules on in-kind contributions are complicated and I am not qualified to say if this would be an "in-kind" or cash contribution. Either way, its likely a lot of money.

169 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:11:52pm

re: #164 Iron Fist

Fist my friend, I once asked a friend of mine who is an accomplished martial artist/lawyer what he would do if someone ever "did something bad" to his daughter.

He said he would do nothing until the day of sentencing, then he said, in three seconds, the perp would lose his sight, ears nose and half his face.

Let the law run its course, my friend. Only when justice itself fails are we called upon to take back the G-d given power we bestow on our government.

This is October if there was anything on McCain, it would long ago have surfaced. Reports of the MSM working on a 1964 car wreck is all they have on him because there is simply nothing else. Obama, by contrast, is a man whose past has not been mined fully. In fact, as the LAT tape shows, there is much, much more to learn about King Barry I.

Stay strong. Stay calm. Pray for America and John McCain. We are going to win this thing.

170 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:24:09pm

re: #154 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

No, this is JFK part II.

171 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:38:06pm

re: #169 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I just want it to be over. I'm going to be pretty useless for the next week or so. Maybe longer, if we get another trial by lawsuit Election. I don't know if my blood pressure will stand up to that.

172 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:41:22pm

Not sure what you mean by this

If you mean JFK conspired with LBJ to steal the '60 election, or that the '60 election gave the Dems control for 8 years and no one could do anything about it, no problem.

I am sure you are not referring to the untimely demise of Kennedy, for I have a real problem with even the suggestion things go that way.

173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:43:19pm

re: #171 Iron Fist

Believe in the victory brother! And drinking Glenfiddich under the Ohio stars with our fellow LGFers.

174 soccerdad  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 1:22:32pm

There is absolutely NO WAY this guy is our next president! none. I cannot wait for next Tuesday night. It'll be fun watching all the talking heads exploding. They'll be sputtering, and questioning the results and saying how unbelievable it is how the polls could have been so wrong.

McCain/Palin in an electoral landslide. Kerry and Gore would have been bad for the country. BHO would be an unmitigated disaster. Not gonna happen. NO WAY.


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