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Martin Kramer on Rashid Khalidi and Barack Obama: Kindred Spirits

Politics | Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:40:46 am PDT

Martin Kramer has been following the career of former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi for years, and is convinced that Khalidi’s “moderation” is a sham: Khalidi and Obama: kindred spirits.

Were we to see the videotape, it might give us some sense of how far down the road Obama went in that [anti-Israel] direction—and not all that long ago. It would be interesting to know, for example, if there was reference to Iraq. In 2003, when Khalidi’s friends gave him his goodbye party, he was deep into propagandizing against the Iraq war. Among his arguments, he included this one:

This war will be fought because these neoconservatives desire to make the Middle East safe not for democracy, but for Israeli hegemony. They are convinced that the Middle East is irremediably hostile to both the United States and Israel; and they firmly hold the racist view that Middle Easterners understand only force. For these American Likudniks and their Israeli counterparts, sad to say, the tragedy of September 11 was a godsend: It enabled them to draft the United States to help fight Israel’s enemies.

This argument against the war was not at all unusual on the faculty of the University of Chicago at the time. Another professor of Middle East history, Fred Donner, gave it blatant expression on the pages of the Chicago Tribune, calling the Iraq war “a vision deriving from Likud-oriented members of the president’s team—particularly Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith.” So perhaps it is not surprising that Obama, in his October 2002 antiwar speech, declared:

“What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.”

No mention of Cheney or Rumsfeld—and no need to mention them, to a constituency that knew who was really behind the push for war, and why. (Later, the same argument would figure prominently in The Israel Lobby, co-authored by another Chicago professor, John Mearsheimer.)

Obama, when pressed during an appearance before a Jewish audience, admitted that “I do know him [Khalidi] because I taught at the University of Chicago.” This sounds wholly innocuous; I also know Khalidi because I taught at the University of Chicago—twice, in 1990 and 1991, when I had an office on the same hall. Obama continues: “And I do know him and I have had conversations.” Well, even I’ve had conversations with Khalidi. (A former Chicago graduate student who must keep meticulous records writes to me that he spotted me on December 6, 1990, at the Quad Club lunching with Khalidi.) Nor does it mean much if Khalidi introduced Obama to Edward Said; Khalidi introduced me to Edward Said in New York in November 1986.

The difference is that while I came away from these encounters convinced that Khalidi’s purported moderation was a sham, and have said so, Obama went the other direction, maintaining their friendship right up to Khalidi’s send-off from Chicago, to which he contributed an encomium. Which is why I’d really like to see that videotape. I’m just curious which of Rashid Khalidi’s virtues I somehow missed, and Barack Obama saw.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:43:23am
the tragedy of September 11 was a godsend

Fucking bastard!

2 yesandno  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:43:36am

Birds of a feather

3 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:44:21am

And for the record, the photo of Obama with Edward Said is from a May 1998 event in Chicago at which Said gave the keynote address.

4 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:44:49am

How often will Khalid sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom if BHO wins?

5 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:45:02am

Exactly. So, just what are those "virtues" of Khalidi that Obama sees yet Martin Kramer (and so many others) do not see?

6 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:45:50am
I do know him [Khalidi] because I taught at the University of Chicago.
...
I had an office on the same hall

Whether this story break before or after the election, these will be his first two excuses.

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:46:56am
It enabled them to draft the United States to help fight Israel’s enemies.

Prick- as if al queda had never attacked us before and wouldn't do it again and again and again. Sick, disgusting asshole!

8 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:46:56am

re: #4 MandyManners

How often will Khalid sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom if BHO wins?

And will they let him bring his goat into the sack with him?

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:47:58am

The mad orgy of political perversion and pay back under a Obama regime will make Caligula and Nero seem like stable, moderate statesmen by comparison.

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:48:42am
So perhaps it is not surprising that Obama, in his October 2002 antiwar speech, declared: “What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

You mean kind of like communism, Senator 0bama?

11 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:48:54am

Yes, I endorse McCain/Palin for office in this election.
In so many ways this was/is not an easy decision for me, since I was raised from the knee to be a blue collar Democrat, no matter what my job looks like now. I have heard over and over again that people like me continue to vote against their "economic interests" in elections, and I never understood that until now.
It may be in my best interests fiscally to vote Obama, something I am SO doubting, but there are so many things more important to me than money, and my morals, beliefs, and standards represent what makes me who I am, not my bank account. Obama loses my vote because our values and democratic identies are direct opposites. I do not want to throw America out with the bathwater, he sees a radical and yes it is a Socialist, change in our economic system, which I do not wish, and which I will not vote for, my family came here to ESCAPE that system under Stalin, when he starved out farmers in the Ukraine, where my family lived, in order to impose colletive farming practices, I cannot and will not vote to give the government more power over me by means of the means of production.

I was raised to believe in G-d, working hard, and in treating people as I would want to be treated, I see respect for none of those values from Camp Obama, quite the opposite, "get mine from the 'rich' " is more like it and I cannot think of a more compelling reason to refuse to vote for him, but I have others. I simply cannot vote for him because he is from the "party" and I really cannot fathom union support for this guy, when he is out front to anyone who will listen about how he will make big business pay. . .and pay. . .so then, if big business is paying and paying, what then will they use to pay more in wages and benefits to their workers? What will there be left for union members to benefit from with this plan? My union has already singled me out for asking the questions. . .and being told to just "vote the party" is not enough. How much could the union have helped us workers if they had stopped sending out all the McCain is Satan hate mail to my house every day for the past 3 months? Postage and printing costs alone must have been staggering, and yet. . .do not ask questions, just vote like we tell you to. . .nope, not gonna work with me.

Quite honestly, I am surprised and really disappointed in many of my party, those who refuse to look beyond these "party lines" and examine the choices from fresh perspective. I cannot tell you how many times people have said to me "I could not vote republican, even if it was Jesus" WOW, blind faith indeed. . .go ahead, climb on to the bunk bed in your purple shoes after eating the 'magic pudding' and wait for the Hale/Bopp to come for you. . .I mean the Obamanation. . .
In the past few days, troubling stories that I have been following for almost a year have come to full light, I believe that Obama is a horrible choice for PROUD Zionist Jew like me. . .and while my fellow Jews may want to discount the Khalidi dinner with Obama and Ayers and such, I refuse to. . .and sadly acknowledge the basic truth of the saying "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see" and it will be cold comfort if Obama does win, and all is revealed to be as I fear- I believe he is lying about what we do know, and when we finally get answers about what we do not know i.e. medical records, thesis, LAT tape, NOI, PLO, Hamas, et. al. if it is as I suspected, being right will be of no comfort.
I am glad I broke through the veil of party stupor and looked at McCain. I will not be ashamed of voting for him, because I feel he will do justice to the Office, and make me proud. I support his years of service, respect his service in the Armed Forces, and as a old school central Democrat, I am proud to be for McCain.
As a woman with a special needs child, Sarah Palin has inspired me, as much as MSM has horrifed me. If I wanted to run for office someday, I may now have the courage to face the horrific treatment that could be coming. McCain/Palin 2008. . .

12 yesandno  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:48:58am
So perhaps it is not surprising that Obama, in his October 2002 antiwar speech, declared: “What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne."

This is racism, pure and simple.....

The man is sooooooooooo scary.

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:50:34am
14 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:51:01am

If newspapers can endore why not me? :)

15 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:51:35am

re: #6 bosforus

Whether this story break before or after the election, these will be his first two excuses.

Pity, isn't it, that we all knew people from having an office on the same hall - but we're not being invited to big, semi-official farewell dinners ...

Isn't there a German proverb which says that lies have short legs?
These lies would just have little stumps, if he indeed comes out with them!

16 Vergeltung  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:51:46am

I hope all of these revelations are not too late. repeatedly, I feel as if I cannot wake from a bad nightmare......

(OT: I am logged in, but no one's avatars display. only the pelotas verdes).

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:52:11am

Obama will naturally tend to hang out with others whose world-views are rooted in perpetual opposition.

Yes, opposition by itself is a mindset.

18 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:52:14am

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

19 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:52:24am

re: #11 DisturbedEma

Wonderful post!

20 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:52:30am

I 'm probably mistaken, but I keep getting the vague feeling this Obama fellow is anti-Israel.

Naw, couldn't be.

/Wake up Jooooos! Dang it!

21 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:53:03am

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

Again: The post-King "civil rights movement" in which Barack and Michelle Obama grew up identified the position of blacks in the US with the position of "Palestinians." This was done intentionally by the Marxists who founded the PLO (in 1964, i.e., pre-"occupation") and the Marxists who wrested the Civil Rights Movement from King and the Christian leadership that started it.

Even Condi Rice, an ostensible conservative, has shown herself to have been infected with this mindset, which has been avidly promulgated in the black community for over 40 years.

Barack and Michelle Obama, far more left than Condi, and twenty-year members of a church that espoused the "special relationship," not between the US and Israel, but between American blacks and "Palestinians" in its most virulent form, are certainly in sympathy with Khalidi's noxious views, but have learned to temporize before certain audiences, some of the time.

Actually not "post King" the Black Seperatist Movement was concurrent with King, and many differences between the two led to some really interesting fractions and alliances in the Black community. . .based on the dream of integration conflicting with Black pride and mutliculturalism

22 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:53:06am

re: #4 MandyManners

How often will Khalid sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom if BHO wins?

The Lincoln Bedroom will be replaced by the Marx Bedroom.

23 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:53:30am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

They've been disabled so Charles and Stinky don't continue to get complaints about page loads.

24 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:02am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

Just trying out life under an Obama Regime ;>}

//

25 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:09am

Somewhere, there is a tape of Obama hugging this guy like a close brother.

26 notutopia  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:23am

re: #18 realwest

Conserving energy!

27 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:26am

re: #19 Sharmuta

Wonderful post!

Thanks, you know more than anyone the situation on the ground and are at ease with PUMA. . .:)

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:47am

Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

Huh. From Drudge.

29 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:50am

Ugh. Obama will lower taxes for 95% of Americans, while increasing spending, and balancing the budget. Ayers is just some guy in his neighborhood. Khalidi was just some guy whose office was on the same floor as Obama. I can't believe you 9/11-loving neocons don't believe Him

/obamabot.

30 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:54:59am

"weekend warriors"......so what does that make Obama?

31 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:55:10am

re: #12 yesandno

Please elaborate. I absolutely despize Obama, and the motherfucker scares the shit out of me. Wrong he most certainly is, and a racist beyond doubt, but I fail to see how what you quoted is racist.

32 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

We're all wearing our football uniforms today, RW. Charles turned off the avatar feature in order to help out the hamsters.

33 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:55:47am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

I feel naked.

34 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:55:52am
Khalidi’s “moderation” is a sham

As is the notion that the Democrats and their giddy media shills are pushing that Barry is "centrist".

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:55:59am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

Charles has temporarily disabled them to offset the massive server loads lgf has been experiencing lately. As much as I miss the avatars I would prefer have lgf load quicker a whole lot more. We might even find we like the half loaf more. ;)

36 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:56:15am

re: #33 MandyManners

I feel naked.


love the image......keep it coming. (pant)

37 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:56:26am

re: #23 Sharmuta Ah, thank you Sharm! I'm surprised that the avatars would slow down the page loads, but I reckon with all the traffice we've had:

Now Online: 4,619
Logged in: 385
Today
Page Views: 59,729
Visits: 51,502
Yesterday
Page Views: 184,688
Visits: 145,352


every little bit helps!

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:56:27am
39 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:56:43am

re: #23 Sharmuta

They've been disabled so Charles and Stinky don't continue to get complaints about page loads.

Page still locking up on me. I say we try shirts and skins.

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:04am
They are convinced that the Middle East is irremediably hostile to both the United States and Israel

You're right, asshole. I am convinced that the islamist mindset prevalent in the middle east is hostile to Jews and kuffar. Why- it's right in the holy book and constitution of saudi arabia!

41 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:04am

re: #33 MandyManners

I feel naked.

OUCH!
That made me leap forward for a better look.
Rammed my face right against the CRT!

42 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:17am
43 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:49am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

Huh. From Drudge.

Linky?

44 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

They have all been taken to the La Brea AvaTar Pits.


maybe under the Obama bus....

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

They have all been taken to the La Brea AvaTar Pits.

*THUMP* That was baaaaaad pun. ;)

46 Vergeltung  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:57:59am

re: #32 Intrepid

We're all wearing our football uniforms today, RW. Charles turned off the avatar feature in order to help out the hamsters.

so, what are you saying, the hamsters play football? ;)

47 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:58:08am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

They have all been taken to the La Brea AvaTar Pits.

LOL!

48 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:58:24am

re: #39 x-wing

Page still locking up on me. I say we try shirts and skins.

What are shirts? ;p

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:58:38am

Okay. Now. Comment here. Press "Post this comment" and I can see new comments.

50 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:58:39am

The Goricle to close in Florida for Zero today.

/expect a wintery mix of snow and horseshit.

51 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:58:40am

Obama makes a point of the fact that he publicly opposed the Iraq war.

Why would a State Senator- without any influence in the debate -be so prominent in his opposition if not that all his anti American and Israel hating mentors wanted their pet office holder to mouth their opinions.

52 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:12am

re: #33 MandyManners
Yes - and you look naked too! My goodness you certainly have a fine figure!
Uh, wait -if I can see Mandy, then Mandy can - wait a sec, I need a robe, fast!

53 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:12am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

They have all been taken to the La Brea AvaTar Pits.

... it was a mammoth operation.

54 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #2 yesandno

ShitBirds of a feather

fixed.

55 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #33 MandyManners

I feel naked.

See - Charles is showing us all what it would be like, living under B0 ...

Just a kind reminder to get the vote out!

56 yesandno  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #36 Big Steve

love the image......keep it coming. (pant)

There you go again, stuck on the same theme! :)

57 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:59:57am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

I was getting tired of mine anyway.

58 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:00:16am

re: #11 DisturbedEma

If Clinton had beaten Obama, would you be voting for Clinton?

59 Timbre  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:00:29am

Great points by Kramer. He understands nuance and the importance of context, the admitted words, and the unspoken. Obama, Khalidi, Ayers, and Wright are, indeed, "kindred spirits."

60 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:00:31am

From Obama's Daily Kos diary:

...we are up against a sharply partisan, radically conservative, take-no-prisoners Republican party. They have beaten us twice by energizing their base with red meat rhetoric and single-minded devotion and discipline to their agenda. In order to beat them, it is necessary for Democrats to get some backbone, give as good as they get, brook no compromise, drive out Democrats who are interested in “appeasing” the right wing, and enforce a more clearly progressive agenda.

The country, finally knowing what we stand for and seeing a sharp contrast, will rally to our side and thereby usher in a new progressive era.

Obama = Bolshevik

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:00:39am

re: #43 MandyManners

Right here.

62 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:00:54am

re: #51 Opinionated

Obama makes a point of the fact that he publicly opposed the Iraq war.

Why would a State Senator- without any influence in the debate -be so prominent in his opposition if not that all his anti American and Israel hating mentors wanted their pet office holder to mouth their opinions.

Obama is nothing more than a out-spoken sock puppet for more anti-America forces.

63 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:01:11am

re: #27 DisturbedEma

Thanks, you know more than anyone the situation on the ground and are at ease with PUMA. . .:)

I wouldn't say I know more than anyone, but I am comfortable talking to reasonable democrats.

64 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:01:53am

Anything on the LA Times protest yet? Nada of Fox so far.

65 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:02:05am

I'm sorry, any writer that refers to 911 first as a "tragedy", they lose me.
That is like calling The Civil War "the unpleasantness".

66 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:02:06am

re: #60 Kenneth

From Obama's Daily Kos diary:

Obama = Bolshevik

There be yo' Great Uniter.

67 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:02:27am

re: #60 Kenneth

Obama wrote that? What about the "reaching across the aisle" he talked about in his infomercial? You mean he wasn't honest about that either? I'm shocked!

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:02:40am

IMHO, everyone should be required to settle upon one avatar and keep it. Makes finding a given person's posts much easier.

/trolling for acid comebacks

69 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:03:15am

re: #53 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Oh fer cryin' out loud, first buzz and now you too?!?

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:03:22am
71 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:03:50am
72 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:03:53am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

The avatars were thrown overboard to lighten the load.

73 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:04:30am

re: #66 maddogg

There be yo' Great Uniter.

Go ahead on, Barry ~ drive out the moderates and send 'em on over to the Republican party. You and your kind will never win another election.

74 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:04:37am

re: #67 harrylook

Obama wrote that? What about the "reaching across the aisle" he talked about in his infomercial? You mean he wasn't honest about that either? I'm shocked!

The only truthful thing Obama has ever said, for me, is that he wants the ultimate power. Everything else is window-dressing to attempt to hide his naked lust for power.

75 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #69 realwest

Oh fer cryin' out loud, first buzz and now you too?!?

WTF, haven't you noticed before this?!?!
All my efforts for naught!
AUUGGGHH!

76 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:05:30am

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IMHO, everyone should be required to settle upon one avatar and keep it. Makes finding a given person's posts much easier.

/trolling for acid comebacks

I tried to change to a No Eeyores avatar, but it was too big. Other than that, I'm happy with Smurfette and she's not going anywhere. Well- unless we're all wearing classic football green.

77 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:05:33am

re: #60 Kenneth

From Obama's Daily Kos diary:


Obama = Bolshevik

Sounds as if they want a proper Bolshevik Party - pure, no deviants.

Death knell of the Democrat Party, if that lot gets the upper hand, especially after a defeat on 11/04.

78 guzziguy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:05:48am

Charles,

FWIW, I participate in a sports related blog too. During the games on Saturdays the admins kill the avatars to speed things up. It works there too.

I guess with the election less than a week away it's GAME ON for LGF.

79 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:05:52am

Martin Kramer's various previous posts on the "moderate" voice of the Palestinians, Rashid Khalidi, are essential background information on this dangerous man:

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

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80 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:06:18am

Here's Obama's whole Daily KOS diary entry, from 2005

There is one way, over the long haul, to guarantee the appointment of judges that are sensitive to issues of social justice, and that is to win the right to appoint them by recapturing the presidency and the Senate.

Almost there, Barry.

81 Lee Coller  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:06:37am

re: #18 realwest

Uh, what happened to everyone's avatar?

It's in anticipation of Obama's election, we'll all be equally poor. I understand that the rating mechanism will be changed too. If you ding up a post that is already higher than a +3, the ding will actually go to a random lower-rated post.

/Just Kidding

82 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:06:54am

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IMHO, everyone should be required to settle upon one avatar and keep it. Makes finding a given person's posts much easier.

/trolling for acid comebacks


I would never trade in my redneck lizard!

83 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

Huh. From Drudge.

Yeah.
1. If that is how he takes care of IMMEDIATE FAMILY, (Hut, slums, throw Grandma under bus...etc.) imagine what will happen in an Obama 'Centralized-slow bureaucratic machine state' to you and your family.
2. This shows you what will happen when the 'middle class' is officially destroyed. Ultra corrupt off the backs of the people, or one of the people being the 'back' in which they stand on. Nothing else. Soviet Bloc anyone?

/Hooray for breadlines!

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:07:43am

re: #76 Sharmuta

I tried to change to a No Eeyores avatar, but it was too big. Other than that, I'm happy with Smurfette and she's not going anywhere. Well- unless we're all wearing classic football green.

My 3 stars avatar will be permanent (.. unless I find something which'll really twist goddess' tail .. heh)

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:07:52am

re: #75 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You should keep Mammoth jokes in your trunk.

86 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:07:54am

re: #73 redstateredneck

Go ahead on, Barry ~ drive out the moderates and send 'em on over to the Republican party. You and your kind will never win another election.

Heh.
Doesn't matter to them - they can glory in their purity and dream of a bloody revolution ... no elections needed for that!

87 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:08:12am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The cause is obvious, a lack of screwdriver control. There are too many screwdrivers on the streets. Its no wonder a Huffposer would find it impossible to refrain from stabbing her lesbian lover 122 times. Who could resist?

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:08:21am
89 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:08:32am

re: #58 Opinionated

If Clinton had beaten Obama, would you be voting for Clinton?


I meant Bill. . .

90 Killer Tomato  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:08:43am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

Huh. From Drudge.

What the heck does she mean by this?

Speaking outside her home in Flaherty Way, South Boston, on Tuesday, Ms Onyango, 56, confirmed she was the “Auntie Zeituni” in Mr Obama’s memoir. She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election. “I can’t talk about it, I just pray for him, that’s all,” she said, adding: “After the 4th, I can talk to anyone.”
91 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:00am

OT- but I have a spider lounging in the upper corner of my monitor. Is this a good omen, or a bad omen?

92 melinwy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:17am

don't forget to buzz the story, it needs to get out.

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:19am

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should keep Mammoth jokes in your trunk.

It's gonna get wild and Woolly!

94 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:33am

Off to work. Talk to you all tonight.

95 turn  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:37am

re: #11 DisturbedEma

Believe me, you made the right decision. Nice post and I'm glad you've found friends you can trust here at LGF.

96 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:09:43am

If The One tosses this moderate guy he barely knows under the bus, it will be a sign the video is about to be released.

97 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:19am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Everything about Obama feels like it was cribbed from sone of the most awful dictators in History. When he throws around the term "Progressive",
I am reminded of Lenin and Stalin.

Of course, that could be because Obama is a Marxist!

(Is this a joke? - Joe Biden)

98 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:24am

re: #63 Sharmuta

I wouldn't say I know more than anyone, but I am comfortable talking to reasonable democrats.

I am so glad I got to know some. . .I was feeling so disconnected! Really, like I was alone in some weird land, a most unsettling feeling.

99 vxbush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:26am

re: #90 Killer Tomato

What the heck does she mean by this?

I interpret it as, "I'm not allowed to speak until after Obama has won the election." Meaning she is being limited by someone else.

100 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:26am

re: #65 rawmuse

I'm sorry, any writer that refers to 911 first as a "tragedy", they lose me. .

What if I call it a "failure of empathy"?

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:28am

re: #91 Sharmuta

OT- but I have a spider lounging in the upper corner of my monitor. Is this a good omen, or a bad omen?

*shrug*
You're on the web, aren't you?

102 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:37am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least the Huffington Post's people aren't violent.


Burger, a 57-year-old writer, did yoga, had a fondness for Shark Week on the Discovery Channel and preferred to watch musicals in theaters with Dolby Sound. She recently stopped drinking coffee. She thought Jackson Browne's For a Dancer was good to listen to when you were sad, and she refused to take anti-depressants despite her relationship problems with Kalish.

OK,that one might not fly...

103 Timbre  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:43am

re: #91 Sharmuta

A good lizard would flick out its tongue and eat the creature...

104 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:10:57am

S0meone posted this link earlier.... obama's kindred spirits are the ones who will benefit from him - not "we" the stupid people who allowed him obtain so much power.

105 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:24am

Rush is on Khalidi. Hasn't mentioned the protest yet.

106 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:24am

re: #101 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*shrug*
You're on the web, aren't you?

LOL! Then it must be a good omen. The spider can stay.

107 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:29am

I heard Shelby Steele on talk radio last week discussing Obama's lack of policy positions. He said Obama is a "bargainer," which means that his positions are fluid, depending on the audience. He said that yes, Obama has friends who are radical, but he, Obama, is really just neutral, depending on the audience of the moment, the flavor of the day.

Obama can deny that he is anti-Israel, as he did at the AIPAC meeting earlier this year, and the next day say something else. He is sincere, at the moment he speaks. Now, if that doesn't scare everyone, we aren't paying attention. There is no there, there.

108 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:31am

re: #80 Kenneth

Here's Obama's whole Daily KOS diary entry, from 2005

Almost there, Barry.

The Lizard Nation and the PUMAs are seeing to it that this remains an 'almost there'!

109 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:39am

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is full of Orwellian phrases like "social justice"

Let me be clear: I am not arguing that the Democrats should trim their sails and be more “centrist.” In fact, I think the whole “centrist” versus “liberal” labels that continue to characterize the debate within the Democratic Party misses the mark. Too often, the “centrist” label seems to mean compromise for compromise sake, whereas on issues like health care, energy, education and tackling poverty, I don’t think Democrats have been bold enough.

So much for his campaign propaganda about being non-partisan.

110 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:11:46am

I think Kramer is on to something important here.
I mean that business of Obama singling out Perle and Wolfowitz as the villains. The failure to mention Cheney.
This is outside the mainstream Democrat playbook.

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:12:36am

re: #106 Sharmuta

LOL! Then it must be a good omen. The spider can stay.

And I wanted to see you follow Timbre's suggestion. Rats!

112 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:12:38am

re: #106 Sharmuta

LOL! Then it must be a good omen. The spider can stay.

Use to have a sign that read "Don't worry, Spiders, I keep house casually."

113 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:12:52am

re: #95 turn

Believe me, you made the right decision. Nice post and I'm glad you've found friends you can trust here at LGF.

Thanks, I am just glad I was not losing my mind. I thought I was, with people around me having taken leave of their senses, which, is what they believe about me, but I am not going to their house and trying to convert them. They have been to my house twice to "talk about the issues" It is so lame!

114 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:12:54am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right here.

With all his money and privilege, he's letting them live in public housing?!

She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election. “I can’t talk about it, I just pray for him, that’s all,” she said, adding: “After the 4th, I can talk to anyone.”

Sounds like she's been ordered to shut her mouth.

115 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:13:06am
116 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:13:11am

re: #23 Sharmuta

They've been disabled so Charles and Stinky don't continue to get complaints about page loads.

I disabled mine before Charles did, so now I have my original avatar back.

117 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:13:41am

re: #67 harrylook

Obama wrote that? What about the "reaching across the aisle" he talked about in his infomercial? You mean he wasn't honest about that either? I'm shocked!

I referred to him as a lying sack of sh*t more than once last night.

118 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:13:42am

re: #90 Killer Tomato

She's been told to keep her mouth shut, by some Obamabots. Forcefuly, I'd guess ...

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:13:46am

re: #102 SasquatchOnSteroids

OK,that one might not fly...

Heard a story about a 80 year old man who stabbed his wife of like 60 years over a hundred times. When they asked him why he did it, he said...

"Because she kept putting the gd butter behind the gd milk!"

At least that's how I heard the story.

120 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:14:02am

re: #77 yma o hyd

In Liberal Fascism, Goldberg talks about the first real taste of fascism in the US under the Wilson administration, a second run during the first two terms of FDR under the 'New Deal', and a third major attempt being mounted by Obama and the hard left. Try as they might to mask the impacts and desires in populist rhetoric - what's being proposed is nothing more than another run at it.

The messiah might try to show himself as a 'moderate' - but with his career of specific choices to be with, work with, mentor from fascists, marxists (just a flavor of fascism), and terrorists there is no way that he is not a supporter and advocate of that ideology. His motivation is not based on what's good for the people - it's about power, control, and what is good for him and his allies.

121 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:14:52am

re: #110 wolfie

Of course he left out that goy Cheney. He wasn't part of the real cabal.

122 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:15:10am

re: #110 wolfie

I think Kramer is on to something important here.
I mean that business of Obama singling out Perle and Wolfowitz as the villains. The failure to mention Cheney.
This is outside the mainstream Democrat playbook.

Gee, the Jewish factor. . .or is it? Need the clarification. . .

123 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:15:38am

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

TRUTH FIRST. I am a teacher of history and currently an advisor to President Barack Obama. The Truth must always come first. The African people were the first people on Earth. We created the world's greatest civilizations and learned the ways of the universe. We were Kings and Queens and we explored the world. We must never forget this. Africa is our motherland. It is our destiny. As a college professor it is my responsibility to teach the TRUTH so that my students can pass it down to their children and to generations to come. The TRUTH FIRST always.
124 turn  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:15:40am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

They have all been taken to the La Brea AvaTar Pits.


LOL. I love hAvaTar cheese BTW.

125 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:15:51am

re: #113 DisturbedEma

Thanks, I am just glad I was not losing my mind. I thought I was, with people around me having taken leave of their senses, which, is what they believe about me, but I am not going to their house and trying to convert them. They have been to my house twice to "talk about the issues" It is so lame!

Seriously? They look more like a cult everyday.

I live in the northeast and most of my friends don't know I'm supporting McCain. I just don't want to deal witht the crap that follows admitting you are not a "believer." I'm going to a party this weekend where I'll be the only non-Obama person. I'm either going to bite though my lip or get kicked out.

126 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:15:52am

re: #91 Sharmuta

OT- but I have a spider lounging in the upper corner of my monitor. Is this a good omen, or a bad omen?

A good omen.
Spiders are very useful animals - and anyway, I decided many years ago that no animal can ever be a sign of bad luck, or a bad omen!

All animals are signs of pretty good luck - works for me!

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:16:11am

re: #112 scottishbuzzsaw

Use to have a sign that read "Don't worry, Spiders, I keep house casually."

I don't like spiders, but I don't kill them as they eat other bugs. (That and it's bad luck to kill them, or so I've heard.) I try to relocate them when possible, otherwise, if they stay out of my space, I leave them alone. This one is amusing me though. I think s/he likes LGF.

128 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:16:30am

re: #93 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's gonna get wild and Woolly!

Tusk, tusk.

129 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:16:33am

re: #50 maddogg

The Goricle to close in Florida for Zero today.

/expect a wintery mix of snow and horseshit.

Sleet 'n sheet.

130 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #109 Kenneth

Oh, he's non-partisan all right. He thinks there should only be one Party. Reaching across the aisle is so bourgeoisie.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:16:56am

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

"Creepy" is an understatement.

132 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:17:06am

I got hung up again on checking for new comments.
>:[

133 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least the Huffington Post's people aren't violent.

When Phillips head screwdrivers are outlawed, only outlaws will have Phillips head screwdrivers.

134 ljmw[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:17:33am
135 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:17:52am

re: #91 Sharmuta
In Genisis,God gave us dominion over all creatures.......
Kill It!;-)

136 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:18:08am

re: #89 DisturbedEma

I meant Bill. . .

There are Democracts who are supposed to be so bitter that Hillary lost that they are, supposedly, voting for McCain- they are called PUMA's. But if Hillary was the nominee, she would get their vote.

Then there is the old term for Democracts, who when it comes to having a choice between a decent Republican and a bad choice Democract, they choose the Republican. They were called Reagan Democracts.

The two are not the same.

I am asking which are you.

137 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:18:36am

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

Then Fuck off back to Africa and see how great it is. Asshat!

138 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:18:51am

re: #102 SasquatchOnSteroids

OK,that one might not fly...

222 times with a philips head screwdriver? Wonder if she was screaming "screw you" with each one of the wounds? At one a second she would have been at it for nearly four minutes and would be tired from all of that work. She might have even had to deal with the screw driver getting stuck several times. A very angry woman.

139 razorbacker  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:18:59am

Been over to Maggies Farm, and the barrister has a simple question...

How long must we wait?

How long must we wait for the Dems to propose socialized legal care? It's only right, isn't it? How many folks are economically destroyed by legal bills? Or go without justice because they cannot afford legal help?

Universal legal representation is a right, not a luxury. Come on, Dems. Get on board, and help level the legal playing field!

What possibly could be delaying the granting of this essential right in modern day America? What could it be?

I wonder how many lawyers there are in Congress, as opposed to doctors?

That couldn't be it, could it?

140 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:19:09am

re: #91 Sharmuta

It's a good omen ! Just ask Wilbur the pig!

141 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:19:27am

The singling-out of Wolfie and Perle is definitely disturbing. Then again, maybe Bill Ayers ghost-wrote Obama's Daily Kos diary - who knows?

One post above said it best - Obama will simply say whatever the crowd he's speaking to wants to hear. If he's talking to San Francisco limousine liberals, he'll tell them that rural voters are bitter and cling to guns and religion. If he's talking to rural voters, he'll tell them he's on their side. If he's talking to Rashid Khalidi, he'll tell him that he'll help out the Palestinians, but if he's talking to AIPAC, he's the World's Biggest Fan of Israel.

In some ways, this is even MORE disturbing than Obama simply being an ideologue of the Far Left. It might just indicate that he's nothing more than a naked opportunist who will say and do ANYTHING to achieve his goals. Sadly, I think that's really what it is. He got his big start in politics by sucking up to the Bill Ayers/Rev. Wright/Rashid Khalidi types - but he'll gladly throw them all under the bus once the relationship becomes an inconvenient truth.

Listen, I'm a lifelong Democrat who's voting for McCain. I probably would have voted for Hillary. So, for what it's worth, this is my take on the One. He doesn't believe in anything, except his own ambition. And that's what is perhaps most scary of all.

142 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:19:29am

re: #123 Teacake!

Goes beyond creepy - right to scary / evil. It seems as if all that matters is ideology.

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:19:43am

re: #128 Kosh's Shadow

Tusk, tusk.

Yo' der, cat, yer gettin' long in the tooth.

144 Pyrocles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:19:48am

Shit. And she's a "college professor"...

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

145 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:20:04am

I think I can win this election:

I promise tax cuts for 99.999% of Americans making under $249,999.99, I mean, under 199,999.99, or how about under $99,999.99.

Everyone should feel really great about that.

OK, just shut up and trust me.

146 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:20:11am

re: #125 harrylook

Seriously? They look more like a cult everyday.

I live in the northeast and most of my friends don't know I'm supporting McCain. I just don't want to deal witht the crap that follows admitting you are not a "believer." I'm going to a party this weekend where I'll be the only non-Obama person. I'm either going to bite though my lip or get kicked out.

Yep, they come by with "information I need to look at" to show the "good of the union" and 'restore the power of the union to the workers, the little people"

I did that for a short time, tried to keep my support on the downlow. . .but the full on assault on Palin by my so called 'feminist" cohort. . .too much hypocracy, had to out myself. I am glad I did, even if it means a huge load of crap should the one win.

My dad was a Marine (z'l) and he believed in being loyal and faithful to this country. I think he would be proud of my actions, even if I suffer long term effects careerwise, I will be able to live with my choice. . .I pity those that will suffer for theirs. . .should the election go ill. . .

147 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:20:25am

re: #120 Athos

In Liberal Fascism, Goldberg talks about the first real taste of fascism in the US under the Wilson administration, a second run during the first two terms of FDR under the 'New Deal', and a third major attempt being mounted by Obama and the hard left. Try as they might to mask the impacts and desires in populist rhetoric - what's being proposed is nothing more than another run at it.

The messiah might try to show himself as a 'moderate' - but with his career of specific choices to be with, work with, mentor from fascists, marxists (just a flavor of fascism), and terrorists there is no way that he is not a supporter and advocate of that ideology. His motivation is not based on what's good for the people - it's about power, control, and what is good for him and his allies.

Precisely - and so far he and his cronies have been very diligent in showing the smiling face, sounding near-rational to those who don't care to think for themselves.
Its only thanks to blogs like this here, and zombie, to name just two, that the masks are slipping.
I hope its not toolate for the undecided to glimpse what lies beneath thsoe masks!

148 razorbacker  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:20:35am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard a story about a 80 year old man who stabbed his wife of like 60 years over a hundred times. When they asked him why he did it, he said...

"Because she kept putting the gd butter behind the gd milk!"

At least that's how I heard the story.

When my wife and I were first married, everything was joy and bliss.

Then, on the way home from the ceremony...

149 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:21:42am

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

I had an AFrican Study professor in college who told us that Jesus was Black and the Pharohs were black, and Moses was black....it was absurd.

150 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:22:26am

re: #141 stanleymberg

While I agree that Obama will tailor his message in many cases to fit his argument, I believe that in that supposedly 'off the record' Bay Area fundraiser, we saw some of the real things that Obama believes in. Now he would not fully show his marxist / black nationalist leanings there - but it was a far closer look at his hard left beliefs.

151 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:23:15am
I'm a lifelong Democrat who's voting for McCain. I probably would have voted for Hillary.

No doubt Hillary and Bill will be voting for him as well!

152 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:23:28am

re: #101 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*shrug*
You're on the web, aren't you?

hahahahahahahhaaha

153 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:23:57am

re: #148 razorbacker

When my wife and I were first married, everything was joy and bliss.

Then, on the way home from the ceremony...

Two people married for 60 years? The thought of doing away with the other due to annoying Kafkaesque behaviors might happen more often than people are willing to admit.

154 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:24:04am

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

Gawd - if thats a 'teacher of history', then I pity the children he/she teaches!

Oh - and I hate to make this negative remark, but if Africa is so wonderful - why don't they go back there and help their people, instead of living in comfort but moaning about being victims?

I have more respect for a Ghanaian woman who sells her own fruit and veg on the market than for these pseudo-victims.

155 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:25:12am

re: #136 Opinionated

There are Democracts who are supposed to be so bitter that Hillary lost that they are, supposedly, voting for McCain- they are called PUMA's. But if Hillary was the nominee, she would get their vote.

Then there is the old term for Democracts, who when it comes to having a choice between a decent Republican and a bad choice Democract, they choose the Republican. They were called Reagan Democracts.

The two are not the same.

I am asking which are you.

I have no real way to answer that. A few months ago, I would have just automatically said Hillary, and I did support her, and her defeat led to McCain, BUT

In order to answer that, I would need to have seen the fight between McCain and Hillary, and that did not happen. Something happened to me during this election, and I cannot go back to believing what I did before.

I can say that had Hillary been nominated, I would probably have seen a much different campaign, and most likely have stayed with her, because I do not see her as being ideologically different from me, but now?

I am officially and Independent, and will vote on a canidate by canidate basis- something I should have been doing along. . .

156 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:25:44am
I had an AFrican Study professor in college who told us that Jesus was Black and the Pharohs were black, and Moses was black....it was absurd.

Distant Thunder, that sort of shit has been circulating for years. I guess that's why Kuanza had to be invented. Also, they claim they are THE REAL Jews and that Jews stole the religion from them.

157 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:26:19am

Consider the two following "nature" passages in Obama's and Ayers' respective memoirs, the first from "Fugitive Days":

"I picture the street coming alive, awakening from the fury of winter, stirred from the chilly spring night by cold glimmers of sunlight angling through the city."

The second from "Dreams":

"Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds."

158 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:27:01am

I thought this link was from this thread but now I'm not sure how it ended up on my browser tab. lol

159 calcajun  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:27:19am

I keep saying that we should ask our blue-collar and elderly friends who do they want;

The guy who has hung with Communists, or
The guy who was hung by Communists?

This is a simple choice.

I know I've said this before, but the look on the face of a real liberal friend of mine when I posed this was priceless. He had no comeback to this at all.

160 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:27:27am

re: #145 DistantThunder

I think I can win this election:

I promise tax cuts for 99.999% of Americans making under $249,999.99, I mean, under 199,999.99, or how about under $99,999.99.

Everyone should feel really great about that.

OK, just shut up and trust me.

That full on validated Joe the Plumber. Paraphrasing: "When will Obama decide that $250,000 is too much and that $150,000 is now 'wealthy'?"

Yet...you never hear that...

161 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:27:37am

Let me understand this correctly: most Americans will not vote for Sarah Palin because she had a brief tenure as a governor of a freak state, that being Alaska, but they will vote for a man whose sentiments are reserved for terrorists and anti-Semites, as well as being a coddler of tyrannies.
I see.

162 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:27:47am

re: #149 DistantThunder

That is straight out of Black Liberation Theology, as practiced by Rev. J. Wright and followed by Obama.

163 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:28:29am

re: #161 Joan Not of Arc

Let me understand this correctly: most Americans will not vote for Sarah Palin because she had a brief tenure as a governor of a freak state, that being Alaska, but they will vote for a man whose sentiments are reserved for terrorists and anti-Semites, as well as being a coddler of tyrannies.
I see.

And hang her from their houses. . .all in the name of "art". . .

164 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:28:43am

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey

Are you referring to the fact that Perle and Wolfowitz are Jews, and Cheney is not?

Yes and no. I'm not saying Obama is deliberately singling them out because they are Jews. I'm saying that he is parroting the pro-Palestinian, Islamist, and probably anti-semitic line rather than the mainstream party line, and I think he is doing that because he has absorbed it fully.

165 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:28:49am

PS Distant Thunder. It never made sense to me how they can claim to be the Pharaohs as well as the Jews. LOL

166 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:28:49am

re: #134 ljmw

Charles does not think this is going anywhere and right now it appears that he is right but I recommend that you all give this a read:

Please. Stop posting links to this crap or I'm going to block your account. The story is bogus and it originates with a creationist kook.

167 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:29:13am

Great, just effin' great - I posted my #69 and waited and waited and waited for it to post and finally refreshed and voila, there it was, only 100 posts behind! LOL! Now to try a new post:
re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat Well if Charles ever let's us have avatars again, I hope he saved mine - I'm so hopeless about this I had another LGFer create mine for me and put it on LGF!

168 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:30:01am

re: #164 wolfie

Yes and no. I'm not saying Obama is deliberately singling them out because they are Jews. I'm saying that he is parroting the pro-Palestinian, Islamist, and probably anti-semitic line rather than the mainstream party line, and I think he is doing that because he has absorbed it fully.

I have seen this before. . .it is a subtle reference to the "Jew's war" mentality and it plays so well to the crowd he is hanging with. . .

169 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:30:37am

re: #121 Kenneth

Of course he left out that goy Cheney. He wasn't part of the real cabal.

That is not out of the standard Democrat playbook. He got that from his radical Pali pals.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:31:13am

What is Barack Obama going to do about this?....

Just made a very very good batch of egg salad for sandwiches. As soon as I finished making it, was going to make a sandwich...we are out of bread.

How can he make sure that my household never runs out of bread again.

171 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:31:16am

re: #167 realwest

Great, just effin' great - I posted my #69 and waited and waited and waited for it to post and finally refreshed and voila, there it was, only 100 posts behind! LOL! Now to try a new post:
Well if Charles ever let's us have avatars again, I hope he saved mine - I'm so hopeless about this I had another LGFer create mine for me and put it on LGF!

I am late to the game... So the avatars aren't on anymore? I was just wondering If my site was filtering images or something.

172 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:31:17am

re: #123 Teacake!

This is a creepy post at TruthFirst blog.

TRUTH FIRST. I am a teacher of history and currently an advisor to President Barack Obama. The Truth must always come first. The African people were the first people on Earth. We created the world's greatest civilizations and learned the ways of the universe. We were Kings and Queens and we explored the world. We must never forget this. Africa is our motherland. It is our destiny. As a college professor it is my responsibility to teach the TRUTH so that my students can pass it down to their children and to generations to come. The TRUTH FIRST always.

The "Out of Africa" myth has been debunked so many times it's ridiculous.

The human race originated there, but the great human civilizations did not. Ancient Egypt was a Mediteranean people, not sub-Saharan African. W.E.B. Dubois was full of sh!t. I can't believe people are still selling this crap.

173 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:31:28am

re: #11 DisturbedEma

Edna -

More or less we both in our own time came to the same conclusion. As was said best by former Union and US President Ronald Reagan - I DIDN'T LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY - THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEFT ME. That is all.

-S-

174 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:32:13am

re: #169 wolfie

That is not out of the standard Democrat playbook. He got that from his radical Pali pals.

Yep- and Begin for everything else, saw it coming in his refusal to allow Israel to be limited by the whim of US politics. . .flatly rejecting the notion of "restraint" by stating Israel was not a "banana republic to be slapped on the hand" when protecting her people

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:32:16am
176 SpartanWoman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:04am

Why oh why won't my fellow jews see that this man is dangerous to them?
Why won't they support their own interests instead of believing that siding with the redistributionist new-dealers will somehow translate to "love" for the jews?

Wake up! You know what he is and when he allows Israel to be destroyed you will not be able to say "we had no idea", you will be complicit in the murder of your people by enabling that Khalidi/Farrakhan/Ahmedinejad loving Obama to win and throw your people to the wolves!

May your names be erased.

177 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:06am

re: #87 maddogg

The cause is obvious, a lack of screwdriver control. There are too many screwdrivers on the streets. Its no wonder a Huffposer would find it impossible to refrain from stabbing her lesbian lover 122 times. Who could resist?

It all started when she screamed "screw You" at her friend, and was answered with "I think I'll go find someone that can!"

178 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:14am

re: #156 Teacake!

It's all part and parcel with the multiculturalism BS. Rather than accept that some cultures offer more and are better than others (just as natural selection has some species able to adapt and survive and others become extinct) - or that in real history bad choices and bad decisions made some cultures and peoples less than what they could have been - it's far easier to blame someone else for all that went wrong.

A study of history shows that while it might work within some limited conditions - tribal cultures - are unable to adjust or adapt until they abandon that culture and start to embrace basics like freedom, liberty, and individual rights.

That embracement of black nationalism is fundamentally not that different from the same complaints and calls to action from the Arabs and Islamofascists - that the reason that they are in the shape that they are in is not because of their policies - but the actions of the West who keep them down. It traces back beyond Marx and Engels - right to the Jacobin fascists of the French Revolution.

179 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #173 Dr. Shalit

Edna -

More or less we both in our own time came to the same conclusion. As was said best by former Union and US President Ronald Reagan - I DIDN'T LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY - THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEFT ME. That is all.

-S-


I agree, I was for the party until they were against me (sorry could NOT resist) :)

180 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:49am

People also still are furious that Napoleon shot the nose off the Sphinx! LOL Not only furious about it, but as always unwilling to check out the facts that it was muslims in the Ottoman Empire.

181 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:33:54am

re: #176 SpartanWoman

Why oh why won't my fellow jews see that this man is dangerous to them?
Why won't they support their own interests instead of believing that siding with the redistributionist new-dealers will somehow translate to "love" for the jews?

Wake up! You know what he is and when he allows Israel to be destroyed you will not be able to say "we had no idea", you will be complicit in the murder of your people by enabling that Khalidi/Farrakhan/Ahmedinejad loving Obama to win and throw your people to the wolves!

May your names be erased.

Baruch HaShem!

182 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:34:24am

re: #169 wolfie

Good point. Very telling about Obama's fundamental values.

183 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:35:39am

Well, I hate to say this but anyone voting for O is doing so only because they think it would be cool to have a black president and are tired of older white men, and I think this is at the bottom of their mania.

184 TalkinKamel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:36:12am

I've thought for some time that the video must have shown Barack Obama, or one of his pals, or maybe a lot of those guests at that party, going waaaaaaay overboard on the Jew-hate/Israelbashing, thinking nobody would ever call them on it. Now they're afraid they're going to look bad, and lose lots of Democratic Jewish votes.

Release that video, L.A. Times!

185 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:37:55am

re: #171 Oh no...Sand People! Nope, avatars are off to help LGF move faster.
I frankly don't know what Charles will do on Election Day/Evening.
As I posted somewhere up above, we're getting something like 190,000 page visits a day. Geez. Man even if Charles swapped the hamsters for ferrets we're gonna have problems on Election Day/Evening!

186 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:38:08am

re: #182 Kenneth

Good point. Very telling about Obama's fundamental values.

re: #184 TalkinKamel

I've thought for some time that the video must have shown Barack Obama, or one of his pals, or maybe a lot of those guests at that party, going waaaaaaay overboard on the Jew-hate/Israelbashing, thinking nobody would ever call them on it. Now they're afraid they're going to look bad, and lose lots of Democratic Jewish votes.

Release that video, L.A. Times!

My one comfort will be the moments, before the "clarification", after his comments about "one Jerulsalem". . .for a Jewish audience, that his antisemite friends crapped themselves.

187 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:38:11am

I forget when O was saying this since the mountain of bullshit is so difficult to sort out, but I recall around the time he was courting the Jewish vote how he was claiming that Jews were such a wonderful influence in his lifetime. I think the only Jew he has ever had anything to do with is Soros.

188 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #187 Teacake!

I forget when O was saying this since the mountain of bullshit is so difficult to sort out, but I recall around the time he was courting the Jewish vote how he was claiming that Jews were such a wonderful influence in his lifetime. I think the only Jew he has ever had anything to do with is Soros.

Look under the bus. . .maybe they are there, they will be after. . .

189 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:39:13am

Is Charles at the protest? Any other's? Are they going to report back during the event?

190 SpartanWoman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:39:16am

re: #187 Teacake!

I forget when O was saying this since the mountain of bullshit is so difficult to sort out, but I recall around the time he was courting the Jewish vote how he was claiming that Jews were such a wonderful influence in his lifetime. I think the only Jew he has ever had anything to do with is Soros.

Don't forget Allinsky and Marx

191 calcajun  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:39:59am

re: #183 Teacake!

Well, I hate to say this but anyone voting for O is doing so only because they think it would be cool to have a black president and are tired of older white men, and I think this is at the bottom of their mania.

You're partly right. There is a component of white guilt there, particularly in middle-aged boomers. This is the ultimate sop to the AA community, in their minds. They have no idea of the gloating that they will have to endure if BHO wins

192 Teacake!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:40:06am

Why didn't I think of that Ema? LOL

193 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:41:12am

re: #184 TalkinKamel
Hi ya Fritzie! Hey yesterday Charles had a thread which listed the confirmed invitees, and it showed
#3 Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers
#4 Barack Obama
#5 Mayor Richard Daley.

I still think the reason they haven't released the tape isn't because of what Obama said - anyone who cares at all can find out what an anti-semite he is, but because I'll bet that the videotape shows Obama
"socializing" with Dohrn and Ayers!

194 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:41:15am

re: #166 Charles

In my honest opinion, the story does have merit. A writer's style & metrics are like fingerprints. It is too unlikely to be a coincidence for these 2 books to be so similar.

If and more substantial evidence comes forward, I hope you will permit further discussion of it. For now, I will respect your choice in this matter and refrain from further posts on the topic.

195 apachegunner  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:42:46am

re: #193 realwest

Hi ya Fritzie! Hey yesterday Charles had a thread which listed the confirmed invitees, and it showed
#3 Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers
#4 Barack Obama
#5 Mayor Richard Daley. (the nitwit)

I still think the reason they haven't released the tape isn't because of what Obama said - anyone who cares at all can find out what an anti-semite he is, but because I'll bet that the videotape shows Obama
"socializing" with Dohrn and Ayers!

Updated that for ya RW, good to seeya

196 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:43:18am

re: #186 DisturbedEma

Remember, Khalidi is the guy who told his Muslim-American audience not to worry if Obama makes statements which sound pro-Israeli, that he was doing that just to get elected and you can be assured, Obama won't disappoint you when he finally gets into office.

197 apachegunner  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:43:41am

re: #194 Kenneth
"there ya go again"

198 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:44:20am

Rush just read the blog comment from the Obama campaign worker from the PUMA site. Great, now more folks than eveer are aware of it!

199 talon_262  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:47:37am

re: #60 Kenneth

From Obama's Daily Kos diary:


Obama = Bolshevik

The Democrat Communist purges will begin soon...

200 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:48:43am

re: #193 realwest

It's gotten to the point that the release of the tape at this point is immaterial. If the tape was benign or presented no problems for the Obama, then it would be released without hesitation. This is just another example of the cover-up making the initial crime pale in comparison. The failure to release paints Obama as needing something hid and the LA Times as being the biased tool that they are.

The issue with the LA Times or much of the MSM is not specifically with the bias - in US history, the press has been quite biased and equally inflammatory and aggressive in presenting their bias to their readers. What has changed is that the MSM refuses for the most part of admit their bias and still demand the respect and special treatment that is only rightly deserved by a free, open, unbiased press.

201 BigJohn  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:49:03am

re: #78 guzziguy

Charles,

FWIW, I participate in a sports related blog too. During the games on Saturdays the admins kill the avatars to speed things up. It works there too.

I guess with the election less than a week away it's GAME ON for LGF.

It is Game On. Buckle Up!

202 calcajun  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:50:43am

re: #199 talon_262

The Democrat Communist purges will begin soon...

What will they call the gulag system in America? Perhaps our new Fearless Leader will, with a sense of irony, call them Re-education Plantations. Has a little ring to it, dontcha' think?

203 realwest  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:55:02am

re: #200 Athos
Yup. The only value in that tape might be - as I suggested - showing Obama and Ayers/Dohrn socializing which would just put further proof to the fact that Obama is a liar. A bald faced liar.
Right now THE ISSUE IS THE ECONOMY. Who's gonna get taxed, where's the tax money gonna go, how badly are small businesses gonna get whacked with increased taxes AND with Obama's "You WILL provide Health Care Benefits to your employees or we WILL FINE you (amount of fine unspecified). Once folks FINALLY figure out that no matter how much dough they make, they are gonna ALL be less well off economically under Obama, either by paying higher taxes or losing their jobs, McCain wins BIG.

204 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:55:59am

Bill Ayers, in his Weather Underground days, called for the total elimination of capitalism. He felt that in order to effectively eliminate capitalism, re-education camps in the mold of Soviet / Cambodian / Vietnamese / Chinnese gulags needed to be formed to 'educate' capitalism out of acceptance....and that he was prepared to exterminate the 25 million or so US citizens who would resist or fail to be 're-educated'.

That is how the hard left thinks. Bi-partisanship is accepting their policies, their orders, their initatives or else. Ayers is a true believer - I wonder if Obama is also such a true believer - or just someone who is intended to get power to enable the true believers?

205 freeus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:05:04am

Rush is saying if Obama loses that all of this will come out. I wonder. I know, Rush is almost always 98% correct, but I doubt the MSMLSDS are going to want to admit they had covered for THE ONE, or suddenly be anti-Obama. Who knows?

This story is just one in a million reasons why the internet must be allowed to function with great freedom. There are some really bad stuff on the net that I wish were not on it, and it is very damaging in particular to children. However, the internet has been a Revolution unto itself in bucking the MSM. WE of the internet are independent thinkers, and have used it to find the answers for ourselves. Whether or not, WHEN OBAMA LOSES, the MSMLDS finally give us the Khalidi tape, it does not matter to us because nothing on that tape is going to change what I already know. Obama's words and actions confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt how he feels about Israel and Jews. Without a doubt!

We are a visually oriented society, and I am sure the video would aid somewhat in convincing some of how dangerous Obama is to Israel and the Jews. I wonder if it would occur to anyone how dangerous his approach to Israel is dangerous to America? Just as Israel is a democracy in the middle of the Middle East, so is America the sole super power for good in the world. If Israel is regarding by the majority of other Middle Eastern countries as being despicable, then it follows that these same people like Khalidi would despise America. In fact we know this is how most people like Ayers and Khalidi think and believe. So why in the world do people not follow the bread crumbs to how this twisted thinking on Israel is identical to their thinking on America and Americans? I say both America, and Americans because just for one second look at how they want to destroy the country, and the people! These Israel and America haters kill and destroy the people whether they are in America or any other country.

Khalidi was affiliated with the PLO. Has anyone looked at the number of Americans the PLO is responsible for killing outside of America? When was the last time you thought about the numbers of Americans killed by radical groups functioning all over the world? I bring this up because the Obama people, and Obama himself want to classify these radicals that he has affiliated with as "just someone in my neighborhood", or "professors". To me it goes well beyond Khalidi being a spokes person for the PLO, and is more about what the PLO IS! No one is looking at what these radicals have done TO Americans and Jews worldwide!

Use the internet and find out for yourself just how many have died due to the likes of Khalidi and Ayers. Use the internet and find out just what radical America and American haters like to do and want to do to America and Americans. Look at what Russia did to Georgia! Democracy haters are radicals, and it does not take someone like Khalidi to prove the point. History has told us this, and it is time words from history books trump videos from Jew hating meetings.

206 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:06:56am

re: #196 Kenneth

Remember, Khalidi is the guy who told his Muslim-American audience not to worry if Obama makes statements which sound pro-Israeli, that he was doing that just to get elected and you can be assured, Obama won't disappoint you when he finally gets into office.

Sigh, its always something. . .

207 Mr Spiffy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:07:08am

re: #10 Sharmuta

You mean kind of like communism, Senator Senior Comrade 0bama?

fixed

208 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:09:19am

re: #202 calcajun

What will they call the gulag system in America? Perhaps our new Fearless Leader will, with a sense of irony, call them Re-education Plantations. Has a little ring to it, dontcha' think?

.

Ghettos Are US.

209 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:11:13am

re: #205 freeus

The seed, if you will, of the possibility that a radical Obama might be elected President by uncritical Americans, might be the fact that a domestic terrorist and an apologist for Islamic terrorists are both readily accepted by everyday people as "respected" professors in major American universities.

210 hazeleyes  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:12:35am

re: #176 SpartanWoman

Why oh why won't my fellow jews see that this man is dangerous to them?
Why won't they support their own interests instead of believing that siding with the redistributionist new-dealers will somehow translate to "love" for the jews?

Wake up! You know what he is and when he allows Israel to be destroyed you will not be able to say "we had no idea", you will be complicit in the murder of your people by enabling that Khalidi/Farrakhan/Ahmedinejad loving Obama to win and throw your people to the wolves!

May your names be erased.


Likewise, my fellow Catholics, who try to convince themselves that a plethora of issues can ever match the importance of protecting life. Sadly, people I know are voting for Obama to prove that they aren't "rednecks." The ultimate political correctness..

211 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:22:39am

re: #210 hazeleyes

Why is it that society can openly call white people "rednecks" but we cannot call Black people "ghetto trash".

212 hazeleyes  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:29:59am

re: #211 WrathofG-d

Maybe because Jeff Foxworthy has taken the term and turned it funny, even though often true?

213 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:33:18am

Obama has already stated who he will surround himself with - anti-Israel Republicans like Chuck Hagel and Dick Lugar....anti-Israel "national security experts" like Zbigniew Brezinski....anti-Israel academics like Samantha Power....and, to cover himself, one mildly pro-Israel Jew like Dennis Ross. One...mildly...pro-Israel....Jew.

Read the writing on the wall....Obama will sell Israel down the river. And his past associations with Ayers et al. give me a very disturbing sense, deep in my gut, that he will sell America down the river too. Which is where I live. Which is my country.

I pray for Israel because I'm Jewish and it is a democracy in the heart of the Middle East, surrounded by terror-makers and appeasers....but I pray for America even more because I'm an American first and foremost, and I love this country far too much to sit back and allow it to be devoured by a pack of Far Left radical wolves.

214 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:34:33am

re: #212 hazeleyes

nah. Blacks call themselves Ghetto all the time, but if a white were to do it.....sheesh!

Same for society. Sure "ghetto" might work on BET but you create a show making fun of Ghetto Blacks for their Ghetto ways, in the same exact way you to white trash/rednecks for theirs.........by using stereotypes, etc.?

watschout@!

215 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:38:11am

This one has to be seen to be believed:
[Link: www.observer.com...]

216 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:40:23am

re: #33 MandyManners

I feel naked.

*sigh*

217 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:41:50am

By the way, regarding the NY Observer article about "our coming civil war if Obama loses," closed-circuit message to Erica Jong: No wonder I like Tom Wolfe and John Updike's writing so much better than your tired claptrap!

218 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:43:42am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I hear Obama use the word "progressive," I get a somebody-walked-on-my-grave shiver.

I've always wondered why the Founders put election day so close to Halloween... mebbe it's so that we're not as scared when going to the booth having indulged in the spookiness/self scaring Halloween stuff etc...

219 Eowyn2  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:48:14am

re: #214 WrathofG-d

nah. Blacks call themselves Ghetto all the time, but if a white were to do it.....sheesh!

Same for society. Sure "ghetto" might work on BET but you create a show making fun of Ghetto Blacks for their Ghetto ways, in the same exact way you to white trash/rednecks for theirs.........by using stereotypes, etc.?

watschout@!

Instead of "Earl" we could have "Rashid"

220 robin  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:53:17am
Barack Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango found in Boston housing estate


Your text to link...

This disgusting hypocrite is spreading the wealth around?

221 taejohndo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:56:22am

re: #215 stanleymberg

This one has to be seen to be believed:
[Link: www.observer.com...]

"...Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduces her to a bundle of nerves."

Yeah, those north viet nam AAA seats had no lumbar support at all. The 8itch.

222 Marlin925  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:57:06am

re: #156 Teacake!

Distant Thunder, that sort of shit has been circulating for years. I guess that's why Kuanza had to be invented. Also, they claim they are THE REAL Jews and that Jews stole the religion from them.

Ask one African about "kwanzaa" and you'll hear the sound of crickets.
"Kwanzaa" was invented by a felon who tourtured women with a hot iron, if memory serves me right.

223 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:20am

I really do feel for Jane Fonda. Poor little traitor.

224 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:06pm

Breaking news, via Drudge:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

225 Orbit Rain  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:38pm

"The difference is that while I came away from these encounters convinced that Khalidi’s purported moderation was a sham"

ditto, though I only met the dude once, maybe twice, and it was all work related, with me being the one doing the work...interesting I ended up somewhere up on the upper floors of Pick Hall to do it...perhaps no one else could do it, or perhaps no one wanted to deal with the guy...kinda like Lessig, Khalidi is another fewl that doesn't belong.

..and yes, Saul Bellow also deserved his reputation as a jackass...

226 freeus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:08pm

re: #209 Opinionated

The seed, if you will, of the possibility that a radical Obama might be elected President by uncritical Americans, might be the fact that a domestic terrorist and an apologist for Islamic terrorists are both readily accepted by everyday people as "respected" professors in major American universities.

Which is why I cannot understand how parents can send their kids off to universities over populated by these "respected" professors. We have two that hopefully will go off next fall. We are checking on the professors, chancellors and contributors to the schools they are interested in. We did not spend 18 years working extremely hard to raise good Americans just to have them turned into seething radicals who are anti-American. And we are not paying thousands upon thousands for basically nothing but ideologies. We want them to be 100% higher educated. We want this for a selfish reason; they have spent all of their inheritance on their sport activities! LOL! We are going to need well paid children in the future in order to live the lives our children are currently living!

Club sports=no money! On the up side, they should receive some scholarship money. We hope. Insert picture of praying parental units here.

227 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:39:29pm

re: #210 hazeleyes

No Catholic (or anyone else for that matter) should vote for Obama/Biden. If they are foolish enough to do that, then they should emigrate to Canada where so-called Catholic politicians blow smoke up the electorate's collective ass all the time. Everything they do is contrary to the Laws of the Church and man.

228 rushbabe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:44:45pm

Regarding TruthFirst. This guy is creepy.

My proudest role in the Obama campaign is that of a liaison representative between Senator Obama and the African Union. The AU will play a key role in reshaping American policy towards Africa in the Obama administration.

I have been assured by Jakaya Kikwete, Chairman of the Assembly of the AU that they are prepared and able to render all assistance needed should Obama's election on November 4th be interfered with.

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

229 CW3PA  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:23:30pm

Could these associates help "The One" get a security clearance?


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