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A Report from the LA Times Protest - Update: Times Says 'Releasing the Video Might Put the Source in Jeopardy'

Media | Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:55:41 am PDT

LGF reader ‘cblesz’ went to the protest at the LA Times building this morning, and reports that there were about 150 people there — and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:03:21 pm:

The Times has settled on their excuse now; another reader forwarded the email he received from Gary Weitman, spokesman for the Times’ parent company Tribune:

Mr. Smith,

I’m sorry you feel this way. I understand this may be frustrating to you.

Allow me to explain further. Protecting confidential sources and standing by agreements made in order to get information is a cornerstone of good fundamental journalism, and a free press. If we break an agreement with a source, we risk other sources not coming forward with information vital to the public. In this case, the tape was written about extensively and only came to light because the LA Times made a promise not to publish it or reveal its source. That promise means not publishing the tape even to a high level conservative, however turstworthy that person may be.

Despite the public pressure, it is important that the LA Times honor its agreement.

Thanks,

Gary Weitman

“Now go away and stop bothering us, peon,” he didn’t add. But he might as well have.

I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:38:36 pm:

And yet another version of the excuse, also from Weitman (courtesy of LGF reader ‘jbolty’):

I completely agree about the role of the press being a watchdog on government abuse. The LA Times, as you know, brought this story to light in the first place and described what was going on on the tape. The reporter on the story has written extensively about Barack Obama’s relationship to the Khalidi family. The reporter agreed with his source not to release the tape in return for getting acess to it.

The Times has made it clear (last night online and in today’s newspaper) that it will honor that agreement. That is what you’d want, I would think: protection of a source in return for getting the underlying information. To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy. Honoring the agreement allows the newspaper to continue to get information from other sources and assures those sources of information that they can come forward confidentially.

Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:56:45 pm:

Pictures and video from the protest at Mere Rhetoric.

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:57:18am

Figures.

2 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:57:44am

Has the Civilian National Security Force broken this protest up yet?

3 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:04am
4 zach (the jew) tobias  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:17am

let them laugh...it appears the throngs of people supporting Sen. Obama will choose to stay home and "veg"...as usual.

5 mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:23am

Film at eleven?

6 redheadredstate  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:36am

Wonder if they'll be smirking and laughing on election day? They may have looks of horror and surprise...at least I hope so.

7 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:47am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody got a wooden rabbit?

8 Barking Pumpkin  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:07am

I will smirk and laugh as they get laid off.

9 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:22am
and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

Laugha while you still can, monkey boys.

10 mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:39am

My dad was a Times editor, and I've hated them ever since.

11 somecallmetim  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:05pm

Look at the funny little people demanding fair treatment by us the press! Don't they know we know whats best for them?

12 AmericanMe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:20pm

They can laugh all the way to the unemployment line!

BASTARDS!

13 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:29pm

...........Till they get thier pink slip this afternoon!
Go a head and laugh! M,F'ers!

14 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:01pm

Well, when the LA Times goes down the tubes, guess who'll have the last laugh?

15 robin  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:27pm
Barack Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango found in Boston housing estate

Your text to link...

This disgusting hypocrite is spreading the wealth around?

16 Haole  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:46pm

It would be great if the GOP had a copy of the tape and dropped it like it's hot.

What now LAslimes.

/one can dream

17 zach (the jew) tobias  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:46pm

will there be any pictures or video available?

18 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:47pm

Photographs?

19 Steffan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:59pm

I wonder, for the sake of idle curiosity, just how many of those smirking morons will be getting pink slips before the end of the year?

The LAT is cutting their newsroom staff big time.

20 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:00pm

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

21 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:47pm

re: #19 Steffan

I wonder, for the sake of idle curiosity, just how many of those smirking morons will be getting pink slips before the end of the year?

The LAT is cutting their newsroom staff big time.


That is what I was yelling at them..."not funny when you are standing in the unemployment line"!

22 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:58pm
and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

I imagine that would be hard to actually see from the street, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. Not only do they consider those protesting as nothing more than mouth-breathing, racist, neo-fascist, morons, they are well aware that they have all the power in this situation.

Sometimes asking just won't get you want you want, especially when what they want is to stick it to you!

23 jiminycricket  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:07pm

Reality will wipe the smile off their faces. Their time will come. What goes around comes around for those who sell their soul. Bunch of Faustian losers!

24 .45LC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:13pm

"smirking and laughing at the protesters."

Hope that works for them in the unemployment line.

25 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:27pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Photographs?

[Link: www.webstockpro.com...]

26 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:44pm

You can laugh all the way to the unemployment line, LA Times. We will be laughing at you on November 5th.

27 Kailen  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:52pm

Is anyone surprised by this? Really, this, like so much other news, is going to be something only circulated among the right-wing news, which means - as usual - the only people who are going to hear about it are the people who already know that Senator Obama is slime. The rest of the MSM uninformed masses are going to be sheltered from this, just as they're sheltered from any negative for the Messiah. Hell, most of them don't realize how bad Senator Obama sounds off-prompt, yet still use that very trait to label President Bush as "borderline retarded".

Maybe some day the truth will get out, but we're still in the disinformation age, even with all the "alternative media" out there.

28 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like the LA Times staffers were channeling the Frenchman in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I fart in your general direction!

29 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:57pm

Yo, Obama, since you have more than I do why don't you give me half of what you have in exchange for half of what I have? Fair is fair. So when am I going to be getting a check from you or does this smack of the Nigerian email scams?

30 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:24pm

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:31pm

Maybe this is already out there, but....

DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be "humiliated," without endorsing any party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to a video posted on the Internet.

"O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him," Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.

Libi, one of the top al Qaeda commanders believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God's wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.

The remarks were the first comments from a leading al Qaeda figure referring, albeit indirectly, to the U.S. elections. Muslim clerics often end sermons by calling on God to guide and support Muslims and help defeat their enemies.

In 2004 al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued his first video in more than a year just days before the elections to deride President Bush and warn of possible new September 11-style attacks.

Bin Laden made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger John Kerry, telling Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

32 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #25 So?

[Link: www.webstockpro.com...]

LOL!

33 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:00pm
smirking and laughing

media arrogance
let the pink slips continue

34 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:02pm

Laugh now aholes you'll be waiting on me at Starbucks a few months from now,repeat after me would you like room for cream sir?

35 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:13pm

re: #15 robin

Like I said yesterday. Obama's about spreading the Poverty around.

36 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:24pm

OT: I'm guessing there are still kinks in the system (the avatars are missing)?

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:28pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Without endorsing any party..." heh

38 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:38pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

I bet her momma's soooooooo proud of her.

39 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:52pm

Someone should protest CNN which is every hour repeating, minimizing and explaining away any significance to the Khalidi - Obama connection.

40 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.

41 jbolty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:33pm

I wish I could cancel my subscription but I did that years ago. I guess letters to the few remaining advertisers is the only other way to get their attention.

42 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

I probably should have said readers, not viewers.

43 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:37pm

re: #32 MandyManners

LOL!

Under Barack Obama, everyone will laugh!

[Link: www.pjlighthouse.com...]

44 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

Looks like an Obama campaign rally. ;-)

/i know, it's really an illegal alien march

45 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:12pm
...Protecting confidential sources and standing by agreements made in order to get information is a cornerstone of good fundamental journalism, and a free press

And what are your standards for a presidential candidate? Oh wait, we already know the answer to that one. There are none.

46 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:30pm

Can I stand in my office window and smirk at them as they go to the unemployment office?

47 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:39pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe this is already out there, but....

DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be "humiliated," without endorsing any party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to a video posted on the Internet.

"O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him," Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.

Libi, one of the top al Qaeda commanders believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God's wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.

The remarks were the first comments from a leading al Qaeda figure referring, albeit indirectly, to the U.S. elections. Muslim clerics often end sermons by calling on God to guide and support Muslims and help defeat their enemies.

In 2004 al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued his first video in more than a year just days before the elections to deride President Bush and warn of possible new September 11-style attacks.

Bin Laden made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger John Kerry, telling Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

They're supporting Bob Barr? :-0

48 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:40pm
"smirking and laughing at the protesters."

Consider me smirking and laughing when they are walking the streets unemployed after the LA Times goes down.

49 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #43 vbspurs

Unfair, we need to spread the laughs around. How dare the LA Times be able to laugh at something when I don't have that same social opportunity.

~/

It only starts with WEALTH. Imagine no personal possessions at all.

50 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:00pm

re: #43 vbspurs

Under Barack Obama, everyone will laugh!

[Link: www.pjlighthouse.com...]

...and grow a full set of teeth or is that a double set?

51 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:09pm

re: #41 jbolty

I just canceled mine after 22 years,they did not seem concerned.

52 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:38pm

re: #40 Charles

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.


You are welcome...I am at work, so all I can do is send them to you and ask you to post them :-)

53 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:56pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, getting the al Qaeda vote is an important part of Obama's outreach to terrorists militant moderate Muslims. Look at how inclusive Obama is.

54 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:01pm

They are full of sh-t!

55 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:24pm

re: #46 loppyd

Can I stand in my office window and smirk at them as they go to the unemployment office?

No, but you can help them carry their boxes to their cars.

56 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:43pm
57 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:52pm

Funny how these creeps never have any qualms about publishing stuff that is classified by the US gov't? Oh, that's good journalism. If they had an agreement with somebody not to publish the tapes and it was something about McCain, do you think they would honor their promise? Me neither.

58 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:30pm

re: #56 loppyd

Fox News poll: McCain nets five points since last week, now within three

Shazam!

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

59 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:31pm

re: #56 loppyd

WE really are the change we want to see.

60 Dr. Slogan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:40pm

It could be that in its zeal to promote Obama MSM has been signing its own death warrant--at least for many concious Americans, who will increase a reader base of alternative media and bring in more readers through their own connection. There's something about the power of altenative media when you get tens of replies like this to a post about the true nature of this election:

Thank goodness others see the danger to our country under an Obama administration. If only the MSM would wake up and really report the truth instead of just repeating what their corporate leaders tell them to say. But then, if they did they would be out of a job. I feel that most of the so-called reporters actually believe the garbage they feed us each day

My post was about the fact that it's no longer about GOP vs. Dems
http://drslogan.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/nov-4-you r-county-your-call/

Again, electing a Democratic president is not bad. But it has nothing to do with giving ultimate power to a smooth talker with a mile-long list of radical, racist, socialist and terrorist ties and proven record of supporting most radical changes in our society. This is not how democracies work. This is how they fail.
61 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:41pm

re: #55 Ward Cleaver

No, but you can help them carry their boxes to their cars.

Can I rip off their Obama stickers?

HEY - someone at the protest should take pics of the cars in the parking lot to see how many O stickers there are!

62 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:00pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

63 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #50 So?

...and grow a full set of teeth or is that a double set?

Socialism provides two rows of glorious revolutionary teeth! Comrade Lon Chaney shows what you can expect from the Obama dental plan.

[Link: images.tribe.net...]

64 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:06pm

re: #58 yma o hyd

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

Nope, not yet.

65 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:18pm

re: #58 yma o hyd

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

Probably not.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:49pm

The staffers at the LAT are acting like the French Aristocracy did right up until they were sent to the guillotine during the French Revolution. Elitist attitudes indeed.

67 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:02pm

Apparently the source dictated exactly what the Times could/could not release. No screen-shots, obviously no video, were the Times' reporters even allowed to write the article?

68 troonbop  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:22pm

And he made a typo..."turstworthy"? Yeah, it's a small thing, but it drives editors nuts.

69 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:32pm

re: #57 Shr_Nfr

Are they the ones who published the name and address of a CIA agent or was that some other rag?

70 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:33pm

re: #56 loppyd

Fox News poll: McCain nets five points since last week, now within three

When will we get news if it is helping in the crucial States?

71 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:40pm

The source story doesn't hold water - I can't imagine that the video somehow compromises the source's anonymity. Nor does it prevent the Times from releasing a transcript. This is of course a paper that would scream if, say, Fox News or the WSJ had an incriminating video of McCain and refused to release it over source issues.

Someone on a thread a few days ago suggested that perhaps the reporter plagiarized the story from another source and made the video reference to make it seem a different story. So the Times can't say there is no video because their guy's work would then be questionable. I don't know if this is true, but it's more plausible than anything the Times has said.

72 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:52pm

Bye oh bye Ms. American pie, drove my country's greatness into history the day our journalists died...

73 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:11pm

re: #65 loppyd

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Are you expecting another downslide for B0?

I fervently hope so - I just love seeing him waste all that illegal money!

74 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:22pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape


Of course not.
Why would someone HAND A FRICKING VIDEOTAPE OF AN EVENT TO THE NEWSPAPER, if they didn't want the contents of that videotape to be made public?

75 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Looks to me like one of the illegal alien support rallies.

76 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:42pm

re: #36 vbspurs

OT: I'm guessing there are still kinks in the system (the avatars are missing)?

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

77 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:49pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Not really surprising, though, is it?

78 eaglewingz08  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:26pm

LGF lizards just don't understand. The SOURCE is the OBAMESSIAH.
He is the lightworker, the SOURCE of ALL. So, when LATimes says the SOURCE doesn't want it released, that they have a COVENANT with the SOURCE not to release it, can you doubt that's true?
Would you expect LATimes not to honor its commitments? Only if you've seen them not honor such agreements with republicans in any level of gov't, but that is not the point you spawn of Satan. If you weren't spawn of Satan you would understand that you must vote for the Obamessiah, and this communication would be unnecessary.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #76 Son of the Black Dog

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

80 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:32pm

re: #61 loppyd

Can I rip off their Obama stickers?

HEY - someone at the protest should take pics of the cars in the parking lot to see how many O stickers there are!

Great idea!

81 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:49pm

Well, I just donated. All this time I thought there was no tip jar thingy. Thanks Ward.

82 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:58pm

re: #70 opinionated

When will we get news if it is helping in the crucial States?

State polls usually lag behind movement in the national polls by 3-4 days or so. I do know that the latest Mason-Dixon poll has Obama up by only 4 in PA, way down from six weeks ago.

That Obama is even campaigning in states like IA and PA, where he's supposed to have a solid lead, suggests that his campaign doesn't think it's so solid.

83 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:02pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

Yikes.

84 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:43pm

re: #81 Peacekeeper

Well, I just donated. All this time I thought there was no tip jar thingy. Thanks Ward.

But the LGF Prayer is wtill MIA. It used to be in the disclaimer box.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:55pm

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

yeah. sorry.

86 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

But the LGF Prayer is wtill MIA. It used to be in the disclaimer box.

Still MIA.

PIMF

87 Clio  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:09pm

It seems to me that the alleged remarks unfriendly to Israel would not have all that much impact on many voters. At least not enough to go to such lengths to suppress them.

And all the other guests would have heard such remarks and probably thought they were something to repeat rather than conceal.

Could it be that the video shows something that would be much more distasteful to a lot more people?

Such as . . . . ?

88 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:16pm

Bit OT, and shamelessly pimping my own link, for which i crave forgiveness - ist just that I'm so proud of those lads!

89 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:18pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

I'm not sure it matters. The LA Slimes sitting on the story implies it is really damaging to Chairman Zero. That may be enough to put a cubic centimeter of doubt in some undecideds. That might tip the balance.

90 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:32pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Well, actually that picture is from the May Day March and Demonstration for Immigration Reform and Immigrant Rights, but yes that is a Times staffer raising a fist in solodarity.

91 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

Eye bleach/

92 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:44pm

If the tape were nothing it would have been out months ago. Ergo it has something bad on it.
Too bad Team McCain didn't pick up on this 6 months ago.

93 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:14pm

bbl

94 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

If the Young Sun God is elected, you won't have that problem! His rays will permeate the darkest caves. Etc.

95 Penguinchic  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:34pm

re: #71 arethusa

I was just thinking the same thing about why they can't release a transcript. It would put rumors and imagination to rest...oh, maybe they like the rumors better.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #82 arethusa

State polls usually lag behind movement in the national polls by 3-4 days or so. I do know that the latest Mason-Dixon poll has Obama up by only 4 in PA, way down from six weeks ago.

That Obama is even campaigning in states like IA and PA, where he's supposed to have a solid lead, suggests that his campaign doesn't think it's so solid.

The fact that he had to buy 30 minutes of prime time on multiple networks to air a masturbatory advert shows me His campaign is realizing that all the free air time he gets daily from the same networks is not enough.

97 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:56pm

If this confidentiality story were true, why didn't they come up with it from the very start?

98 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:12pm

re: #74 looking closely

Of course not.
Why would someone HAND A FRICKING VIDEOTAPE OF AN EVENT TO THE NEWSPAPER, if they didn't want the contents of that videotape to be made public?


That is exactly what I was going to say...Doesn't pass the smell test.
And the LAT wouldn't know the cornerstone of journalism if it fell on thier heads..
What a joke they have become..

99 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:26pm

Big papers are all going broke. Obama will bail them out as vital to a healthy democracy. Wait and see.

100 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:41pm

CNN going all out to defend Obama and attempt to tie McCain to Khalidi.

101 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:50pm

Now go away, oah Ah'll taunt you a secon' time-a!

102 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:41pm

re: #40 Charles

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.

How about thumbnails?

103 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:46pm

This morning I started to get ready for the Obamalypse, and brought out the Phish, Greatfull Dead, and Strawberry Alarm Clock records.

Imagine:

Something you should know about Imagine Lyrics

Title: John Lennon - Imagine lyrics

Artist: John Lennon Lyrics

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Send "Imagine" Ringtone to Cell

Imagine there's no Heaven ("cling to guns and religion")
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries ("citizen of the world")
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer ("hope" and "change")
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions ("spread the wealth around")
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer ("we are the change we want to see")
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

104 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:54pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.

105 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:02pm

re: #7 bosforus

Anybody got a wooden rabbit?

Those never work. Now, if we built a giant wooden badger...

106 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:07pm

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

107 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:12pm

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

The staffers at the LAT are acting like the French Aristocracy did right up until they were sent to the guillotine during the French Revolution. Elitist attitudes indeed.

Quite! I am reminded of what you wrote after reading this post on Politico, "Would Palin stick out in Georgetown?".

Excerpt:

"Today’s Georgetown parties have less to do with downing highballs, more to do with raising money for local causes like planting trees and renovating parks.

Gahl Burt, a Georgetown resident and full-time volunteer on the McCain campaign, acknowledges that the place of full of kids now. When McCain speaks of “Georgetown cocktail parties,” Burt figures he’s speaking metaphorically of place that remains “a bastion of Democratic thought.”

One piece of evidence: When Burt walks her dog at night, she says the only McCain-Palin signs she sees are those in front of her house and the one belonging to the head of the local Republican Party.

Frida Burling, the 93-year-old grande dame of Georgetown, says the days of the real cocktail party came to end when men stopped arriving home at 5 p.m. — in time to don their evening attire. Burling remembers the era as a time when everyone drank too much simply because they drank too often.

That Georgetown had its zenith in the Kennedy era and rebounded a bit when Reagan was president. Glamorous, well-heeled couples — politicians, journalists, government appointees and embassy folks — would go from party to party, swirling around the five hostesses who ruled the day. "

The article makes it seem as if McCain is inventing the notion that the Georgetown party set would denigrate Palin (and believe me, the set exist no matter how much they want to say it doesn't -- my aunt and uncle work for the World Bank, and reside there).

Sally Quinn even later mocks McCain, saying that he himself was a frequent party guest within those social circles. That's not the point.

The point is that it's a hostile atmosphere towards Republicans, and they go out of their way to make it known they only respect you if you're a moderate Republican. God forbid you should be a conservative one, with a middle American mindset and values.

Rather like the LA Times staffers who smirked at all the "little people" with their cute little ineffectual signs, below.

108 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:13pm

Of course the real losers will be the Jewish residents of Israeli Town, a neighborhood in US backed Palestine.

109 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:13pm

News here in NY making a bid deal out of McCain being 'stood up' by Joe the Plumber today...

110 Kincsem  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:48pm

Hmm...

Does this make sense?

I have a videotape containing information that I do not want to get out.

I hand it over to a newspaper for safekeeping.

Something is not right here. Are we being led astray to misdirect our energies?

Of course, the LAT could just be simply arrogant about what they will 'let' the proles know.

111 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:22pm

As others have said before... ! can only imagine if the tape contained Mccain or Palin or Secret Military Intel information.... Can you imagine how hard the LALA times would be holding back.... hmmmmmm

112 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #78 eaglewingz08
Sounds a lot like my liberal friends. You been snoopin' on me?

113 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:43pm

The McCain campaign is insane. They must have taken a blood oath to never mention Rev Wright.

Baited by CNN, a spokesman adamantly refuses to specifically name Wright as an anti Semite even as he says we all know of another anti Semite Obama hung out with.

114 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:03pm

re: #72 wright1

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How this country used to make them smile.
But they knew if they had a chance
That they could turn us into France
And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

But last february made me shiver
With every paper they'd deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
Obama takes one more step.

I can't remember if I sighed
When I read about his angry bride,
But something touched us deep inside
The day the media died.

115 filetandrelease  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:14pm

Anyone wonder what their position would be if they had a similar tape on McCain, or god forbid Palin? Bets?

"After careful consideration we have determined that the public right to know out weights our confidential source's request not to release this tape, so we sent a copy to every news out let in the world"

116 jbolty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:33pm

I swapped some emails with the same guy. This is from him a day or two ago.

I completely agree about the role of the press being a watchdog on government abuse. The LA Times, as you know, brought this story to light in the first place and described what was going on on the tape. The reporter on the story has written extensively about Barack Obama's relationship to the Khalidi family. The reporter agreed with his source not to release the tape in return for getting acess to it.

The Times has made it clear (last night online and in today's newspaper) that it will honor that agreement. That is what you'd want, I would think: protection of a source in return for getting the underlying information. To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy. Honoring the agreement allows the newspaper to continue to get information from other sources and assures those sources of information that they can come forward confidentially.

117 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:46pm

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

118 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:46pm

re: #76 Son of the Black Dog

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

Works for me! The male Lizards may not care for it though.

119 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:52pm

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.


I'd put money on the Times releasing the tape on November 5.

120 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:56pm

Good night all catch you on the night/dead thread.

121 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:14pm
122 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:19pm

At some point -- the unprofessional hack media will get theirs.

It's just a matter of time - and free markets.
(why the LA Times will protect the fascist left)

123 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:31pm

re: #71 arethusa

The source story doesn't hold water - I can't imagine that the video somehow compromises the source's anonymity. Nor does it prevent the Times from releasing a transcript.

Being Devil's advocate, its *possible* that the video compromises the source's anonymity, depending on what it shows. (EG, its possible that someone in the videotape addresses the cameraman by name, or that the cameraman narrates or otherwise makes an appearance at one point).

But the second part is much more salient. There is absolutely no reason the LA Times can't produce a transcript of the video.

Again, if the person involved were so concerned about their privacy, then why did they hand over a copy of this tape to the newspaper? That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This isn't some sort of State secret, and presumeably no criminal activity was involved here.

124 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:33pm

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that he had to buy 30 minutes of prime time on multiple networks to air a masturbatory advert shows me His campaign is realizing that all the free air time he gets daily from the same networks is not enough.

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.

125 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:44pm

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.

That's the only theory I've seen that correlates with all the known facts.

126 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:08pm

re: #107 vbspurs

The article makes it seem as if McCain is inventing the notion that the Georgetown party set would denigrate Palin (and believe me, the set exist no matter how much they want to say it doesn't -- my aunt and uncle work for the World Bank, and reside there).

Sally Quinn even later mocks McCain, saying that he himself was a frequent party guest within those social circles. That's not the point.

The point is that it's a hostile atmosphere towards Republicans, and they go out of their way to make it known they only respect you if you're a moderate Republican. God forbid you should be a conservative one, with a middle American mindset and values.

Rather like the LA Times staffers who smirked at all the "little people" with their cute little ineffectual signs, below.

Yeah, she'd stick out in Georgetown, because she has common sense.

127 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:12pm

re: #114 Spenser (with an S)

France will be in a better spot then the U.S. if Obama wins. Viva Sarkozy!

128 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:15pm

I assume someone is documenting this protest in photographs and on video?

129 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:18pm

re: #34 bulwrk

Laugh now aholes you'll be waiting on me at Starbucks a few months from now,repeat after me would you like room for cream sir?

Maybe not. Like newspapers, folks aren't frequenting Starbucks much either these days.
Would you like fries with that? ..maybe

130 Nancy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:30pm

Isn't he saying it backwards? Don't sources usually give confidential material to journalists in order for it to be MADE public --but without revealing the source? Releasing the video isn't naming the source.

I never heard of someone handing over evidence they believed the public had a right to now and then ask that it not be revealed.

Yes, their excuse is lame that they "disclosed" they had the video of him at that dinner --because that was information which could easily be discovered and likely would have come out.

131 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:39pm

re: #117 mean Gene

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

Are the polls tighenening as a result of the Bradley effect though?

132 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:46pm

re: #121 Iron Fist

ROTFLMAO

133 alien_mind  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:52pm

funny how they choose this moment to cite ethics and honoring commitments. that video would have been on the streets for months if it incriminated John McCain, or any Republican for that matter. and I do agree, there is no agreement. never was.

134 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:11pm

re: #121 Iron Fist

WOW. as far as I know, I've never heard that song.

135 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:17pm

re: #117 mean Gene

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

It's not the weather I care about, so much as the huge queues on Tuesday. Even here in SoFla in 2004, when we were blessed with a sunny day in the 80s, people gave up when they saw the 3-4 hour crocodile.

I went to an early voting I was told was "fast", and was greeted with a 2-hour wait. I'll return on Halloween, as I think people will not be eager to vote then.

136 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:50pm

re: #127 WrathofG-d

re: #114 Spenser (with an S)

France will be in a better spot then the U.S. if Obama wins. Viva Sarkozy!

Viva Sarkozy indeed! It just rhymed nicely.

137 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #130 Nancy

For ultimate protection of their source, one must ask, why did they even mention they had a tape?

138 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:06pm

re: #111 PISSED

As others have said before... ! can only imagine if the tape contained Mccain or Palin or Secret Military Intel information.... Can you imagine how hard the LALA times would be holding back.... hmmmmmm

It's like when President Bush was making a scheduled stop in Iraq.

The MSM: "He will be landing on the Baghdad airport at 5:54 P.M., There will be about 20 soldiers to greet them. They will be walking the 30 yards in the open to reach the hangers and then proceed by jeep caravan for the next mile to the Akbar base. They will only be carrying light weapons, M16's a few M203's, there should be quality spots to get a fair 'view', inshallah, if you go to Mohammad Meadows building on the 4th floor that overlooks the tarmac with a clear line of site and only about 150 yards away...and uh...Back to you Wolfe."

139 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least you don't hear cries of "There be the white whale!" when you go to the beach. (But I'm used to it.)

140 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:10pm

re: #90 Ringo the Gringo

Well, actually that picture is from the May Day March and Demonstration for Immigration Reform and Immigrant Rights, but yes that is a Times staffer raising a fist in solodarity.

That is just sickening to look at.

141 MI DB  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:21pm

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:41pm

Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton.

(I'm making my self say it over and over in repentance.)

143 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:49pm

Between what has already been published by their own reporter, their refusal to release the tape, and the statement: "In this case, the tape was written about extensively and only came to light because the LA Times made a promise not to publish it or reveal its source.", I can't imagine anything that will get the conspiracy theorists going at it hammer and tong more.

The average person will always imagine something worse than hat is in fact reality.

And yes, I know it won't change Obamitrons minds, but it is the undecideds we are shooting for.

And just out of curiosity, why in the world give a video to a newspaper for crying out loud with some kind of promise not to print it or release it's contents? Crap! Hasn't someone ever heard of safe deposit boxes for safekeeping?

144 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:53pm

re: #119 Golem Akbar

I'd put money on the Times releasing the tape on November 5.

Another theory was that there's nothing bad about Obama on the tape, and that the LAT will release it this weekend, just to make the GOP look stupid and desparate for making such a stink about it. Hmmm...

145 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:10pm

re: #138 Oh no...Sand People!

It would be funny... if it wasn't so f'n true.....

146 WhatDoIKnow  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:27pm

Hate to say it...I am not shocked! But that does not mean I accept that their clear bias should not go unchallenged. This protest is symbolic and does represent in my opinion, a large proportion of the US population who is completely dismayed by this bias but have jobs and responsibilities instead of marching on the LA Times. Also looks like my and everyone else icon's is missing or maybe Charles is going for the "Ich bein Lacerta Viridis’s" mindset.

147 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:27pm

While the Times refuses to give up the tape, their polling is making them very sad, I'm sure.

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting

148 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:30pm

re: #122 FrogMarch

At some point -- the unprofessional hack media will get theirs.

It's just a matter of time - and free markets.
(why the LA Times will protect the fascist left)

It could be that they feel this is their last hurrah. It's either a preemptive power grab, banking on Obama protecting them with a kind of media bailout (which he can spin as protecting the watchdogs of 'free speech').

Or they know they are going down fiscally, but want to go out with liberal heads held high.

149 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:34pm

I somehow got on the Obama campaign's email list (I don't know how, and if I find out someone I know is responsible, I'll be pretty angry). Anyway, I read the latest one instead of just deleting. Sent under Joe Biden's name, it claims:

We just learned that the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee had a $20 million cash advantage on October 15th. That means we can expect to see a fierce blitz of negativity in the final days -- so-called "robocalls," mail pieces, and TV ads filled with smears and false attacks.

I'm wondering if the $20 million advantage can possibly be true. Surely the RNC will allot some of that to Congressional races.

150 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:35pm

re: #144 Ward Cleaver

Another theory was that there's nothing bad about Obama on the tape, and that the LAT will release it this weekend, just to make the GOP look stupid and desparate for making such a stink about it. Hmmm...

desperate. PIMF

151 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:45pm

re: #134 WrathofG-d

It's one of my favorites. You should check out the video on Youtube. I'd provide a link, but Youtube is blocked by my company's firewall.

152 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:07pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

God bless them, the Paras are the best of the best and we honor their sacrifice.

153 BobbyG  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:20pm

Of course they made a

154 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:24pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

Hmmm, either they thought that the press had honor and it would be safe with a reporter (think Watergate) or it is a red herring designed to make the conservatives look bad going after non-existing dirt on the ONE.

155 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #140 capitalist piglet

That is just sickening to look at.

He probably shouted "Viva La Raza!", too.

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #128 capitalist piglet

I assume someone is documenting this protest in photographs and on video?

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

157 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So much for people thinking it would be easy to beat Obama... Wow...

158 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:59pm

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but why would a source give a video to the newspaper on the condition that the newspaper not release it? Isn't the point of giving the tape to the newspaper that the newspaper show everyone what's on it?

159 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:04pm

re: #73 yma o hyd

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Are you expecting another downslide for B0?

I fervently hope so - I just love seeing him waste all that illegal money!

Hey, it's a healthy infusion of Saudi FunBux into the American economy!

160 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:10pm

re: #124 Perplexed

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

161 Pyrocles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:11pm

I remember that... Hundreds of illegal aliens protesting for Communism in the U.S. What's not to like? /puke

re: #140 capitalist piglet

That is just sickening to look at.

162 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:20pm

re: #147 Intrepid

While the Times refuses to give up the tape, their polling is making them very sad, I'm sure.

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

163 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:21pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

You want a guess?

There were other guests such as Mayor Daley.

Suppose the Clinton campaign sent the tape to embarrass Obama and cause the LA Times to publish the initial story. But, they didn't want Daley embarrassed because they would need his help if Clinton was the nominee.

164 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:22pm

re: #145 PISSED

It would be funny... if it wasn't so f'n true.....

That's why the / sarc tag is missing...

165 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:23pm

re: #151 Iron Fist

How about a song name then.

Here is another on my playlist for the potential Obamalypse. REVOLUTION

"we all want to change the world...."

166 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:29pm

re: #147 Intrepid

I hope McCain wins this... just to see Olbertool and Chris wiggly legs heads asplode... : )

167 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:33pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton.

(I'm making my self say it over and over in repentance.)

It may be The One's greatest achievement that he not only made HRC look good to me, but inspired me to cross party lines and vote for her in an April primary.

168 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #162 vbspurs

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

Err, in Miami-Dade Co. I have no sources other than that.

169 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:20pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

I think they sent it in and saw nothing to be ashamed of in it. It was just a bunch of Jew-bashing, no biggie. Then, it became political dynamite and the LAT called and said "You don't want us to release this tape, do you? It would be a bad thing, right?"

170 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:46pm

re 158: I see several people made the point as I was typing it. At least I know I'm not crazy....

171 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:56pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

One of the nicest things is he shoveled all that money in the American economy that he is so fervent about destroying. I wonder what the total tab for this loss will be. ;)

172 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:01pm
173 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:04pm

re: #131 tfc3rid

Are the polls tighenening as a result of the Bradley effect though?

No, the polls look tighter because the pollsters are trying to reclaim some credibility by aligning them more with reality.
Up until now they've been toying with their samplings to force an ''0'' card on us.

174 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:32pm

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

175 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:39pm

re: #165 WrathofG-d

Pussy Liquor, by Rob Zombie. It's off the House with 1000 corpses soundtrack. I first heard it in a strip club. The lyrics kinda jump out at you.

176 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:00pm

Perhaps there is no tape ...
Perhaps that dolt of a writer just said there was to cover up his own plagiarising.
We know he plagiarised from Debbie Schuessel (sp?) - she said so on her blog.

So the writer lied to his editor, who was too moonbatty to doub;e-check - and now niether of them can get out of the corner they've painted themselves in - nor can the LAT.

I just cannot believe that there hasn't been even the slightest bit of this video - heavily edited - on youtube. Those Palis put everything on youtube - why not that?

Very fishy - but a jolly good fisshy to slap the LAT, the msm and B0 with!

177 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:10pm

"smirking and laughing", huh?...LOL

Gee, had I seen that, I would have waited until the left what they thought was the safety of the building.

That "smirking and laughing" would have changed to tears and pain.

Apologize to those that may be offended by that...but that's just me! You deal with it as you choose, I would and stated so.

178 CrazyFool  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:12pm

More than likely they made an agreement not to release the tape in exchange for some cold-hard-cash from the Obama Campaign.

179 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:27pm

re: #124 Perplexed

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.


George Soros can afford it.

Its unclear how much of Obama's his money was funnelled in illegally through suspect credit card donations anyway.

180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:47pm

The LAT is so full of shit

181 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:56pm

re: #139 joncelli

At least you don't hear cries of "There be the white whale!" when you go to the beach. (But I'm used to it.)

Nobody ever tried to push you back into the ocean, I hope?

////////

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:58pm

Senator McCain...
"I just wanted to tell you 'good luck'. We're all counting on you."

183 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:06pm

re: #116 jbolty

I swapped some emails with the same guy. This is from him a day or two ago.


To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

184 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:09pm

re: #148 vbspurs

It could be that they feel this is their last hurrah. It's either a preemptive power grab, banking on Obama protecting them with a kind of media bailout (which he can spin as protecting the watchdogs of 'free speech').

Or they know they are going down fiscally, but want to go out with liberal heads held high.

It smells that way. The left have a vested interest in the fascist leader who will protect them. It's all about paybacks and access. Dear leader will protect the big media against the dirty masses who no longer want to pay for their bull.

185 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:36pm

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

186 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:40pm

re: #158 harrylook

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but why would a source give a video to the newspaper on the condition that the newspaper not release it? Isn't the point of giving the tape to the newspaper that the newspaper show everyone what's on it?

No, they could use it as a primary source, without need for corroboration from other guests at the dinner. They could then fashion their own story/interpretation from it, but hold it as backup.

We do the same in the field of History.

187 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:45pm

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

188 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:48pm

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

Helter Skelter

189 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:58pm

re: #157 tfc3rid

So much for people thinking it would be easy to beat Obama... Wow...

Your right. We severely overestimated the intelligence of the American Public. Had we assumed they were artichokes, and ripe to be led into collectivism with their heads shoved so far up their asses that sunlight had to be piped in , we would have been less confident.

190 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:19pm

I am sooo glad that the LA Times is so concerned about the right to privacy. But then again, was it not the LA Times that forced the release of the divorce documents of Obama's opponent when running for the Senate? Records that both the wife and husband desired to remain sealed for the sake of the child? Where was the blasted right to privacy then you scumbag excuse of a paper!

The LA Times has been an agent of Obama for quite some time and I do not expect them to change.

191 Karagush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:44pm

ok after reading some of the LA times responses and being somewhat paranoid i am gonna give you my theory:

Perhaps the LA times IS protecting multiple entities.
Think about it: The PLO kills its moderates and critics. They arent nice people. It could be GLARINGLY OBVIOUS to certain people or everyone even who took the video. Or who gave it up, if it is played.

Its entirely probably Obamas people have threatened the times if the give it up. That is their MO.

The person who submitted the video may also have been threatened.

If the info is REALLY REALLY damaging. The Times may be very afraid what might happen to them if they release it and O wins in a squeaker anyway. And the person who submitted it may fear retribution from any number of people. I am not just talking about being blackballed or friends not talking to you any more. Large amounts of money may have changed hands too.

It goes very badly for Zionist collaborators among the palestinians.

Nobody seems to have considered that angle if this tape is extremely damaging.

192 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:52pm

re: #121 Iron Fist
WTF.....What was the point of these lyrics?

193 MI DB  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:08pm

re: #40 Charles

I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.


Hmmmm.....
Sounds kinda like you work for the La Times. Isn't that one of their excuses? ............ Just kidding, we all know about your hamster issues.

194 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:29pm

CNN reading e-mail received on this Khalidi issue.

Every single e-mail read on the air so far supports the Obama camp and the LA Times.

I'm sure it's either a coincidence or no McCain supporters are e-mailing them.

195 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #174 PISSED

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

Then they will say, yes but there is a historical precedent for black people in nooses. So just said what I did yesterday to a liberal friend who countered with that:

"Right, because there is no historical precedent for violence towards women"

He went real quiet.

196 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:35pm

re: #187 Charles

We also cannot ignore that after the election, if Obama wins, the MSM need to have some rapport with the Dali Bama or their business is DONE!

$$$$ talks, Democracy walks.

197 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:42pm

re: #183 akgoldrush

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

Indeed.

If there is nothing explosive or damaging about the tape, then what does the source have to fear? What's the big deal?

Or is the LA Times actually saying that they're afraid for the personal safety of source if he releases any information damaging to Obama?

In other words, he's protecting the source from OBAMA and his goons?

198 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:43pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

Unfortunately, whatever Soros has spent in 2004 and 2008 is just chump change to him, especially compared to the payoff if he hits the winning combination and gets to be the de facto king of the world.

199 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

I still think it plausable that someone sent it there as garuantee of no harm from the Obama organization. (If something happens to this person, then the tape gets shown)

200 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

Sorry MSM, you have burned the bridge...there is no longer any trust, may your sales dwindle and your rags fade into obscurity.

201 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:42pm

Regarding yard signs... most people have gotten smart. No McCain yard signs means a lower chance of a broken window. Yard signs are not votes. Politico is in the tank for Obama - I heard one of their guys get interviewed and he was Obama all the way.

So we're standing in line inside at the early voting place. And we're bored and looking at the big boxes where you insert your (paper) ballot, it gets scanned and retained in the box. And somebody in the line says, "I wonder how many of those boxes they have full of cheater ballots in a closet somewhere." People barely laughed because it happened here before where a national Dem DNC person showed up when it was close and they were still counting and came up with boxes of "uncounted" ballots. I think I might volunteer in this area over the next cycle. I thought we had it nailed because we voted on a "Voter ID Required" ballot item some years back (it won) which obviously had no effect whatsoever on the ongoing cheater system.

202 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:59pm

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

203 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:04pm

re: #192 Big Steve

WoG and I were exchanging songs for the Obamalypse. He picked Imagin by some old hippie loser, and I supplied an appropriate response.

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:27pm
205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:28pm

re: #176 yma o hyd

Tape or no tape makes no difference when they refused to come clean the minute the push for disclosure started. The more the LAT stonewalls the more the implicit belief there is something there grows. If there is nothing to the tape why refuse to release it?

Just because this is a possible conspiracy theory does not invalid that there is something being covered up.

206 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:34pm

re: #174 PISSED

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

I posted this on a Spin off link a while back...but I have to always watch it. They, the left, are beyond 'external help', they must somehow in their pretzel logic / mental contortions choose to find their own way out of their mental recesses... akin to a 'user' getting off a drug. It's a long video...but it explains it perfectly. Just replace 'Mondale' with 'Obama' and it is now.

207 Nancy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:40pm

re: #123 looking closely

I did think of that. That it may be known who shot the tape and who had it or where it was located.

There were lots of people at that dinner. Anyone of them could have remembered it was video tapped. Someone may have come around "asking" about it and/or it was decided that it would be "safer" under "journalistic protection."

208 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #162 vbspurs

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

Good news indeed - but still, every vote counts, now more than ever.
Its no good staying at home, thinking McCain ahs got it - the Dems will do their utmost in fraud and coercion to beat this result, now that they know McCain is ahead.

Don't stop working until the last minute!
No complacency!

209 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans

One of the nicest things is he shoveled all that money in the American economy that he is so fervent about destroying. I wonder what the total tab for this loss will be. ;)

OOOOH, I'd hate to guess. Must be a nice chunck though. I saw in the NY Post that he's talking down Hedge Funds, so watch out.

210 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.


If the video contained actual State secrets, they'd release it in a heartbeat.

Also, (as above) the LAT is essentially admitting that the tape is incredibly damaging, by claiming its release could threaten the source.

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:37pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The LAT is so full of shit

Doubtful considering how much they have shoveled in their defense to not release the tape.

212 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:53pm

re: #195 vbspurs

He went real quiet.

For the record, I don't think ANYONE here or any Conservative I know is advocating that this effigy/noose treatment be doled out to Senator Obama.

What many of us mind is the double-standard.

It's like the idiots who hang Santa Claus in effigy every Christmas. There was one in NYC and one down here in SoFla last year. They attack Santa because he's Christian -- they would never do so with a mannequin of the Prophet Muhammed because they're scared.

213 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #187 Charles

Seems to me that if they can write about it there would be no problem releasing a transcript. That way their source isn't compromised and they do the public a favor. Curiouser and curiouser.

214 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:36pm

If the Times doesn't want to release the tape it must be because Obama is applauding wildly at every mention that Israel should be destroyed.

Pass it on.

215 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:47pm

Wow. So they mocked the plebeians down below, literally, from their Ivory Tower.

216 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:58pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

This adds to my belief that the amount of money spent does not the election win. I meant that syntax.

217 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:01pm

re: #195 vbspurs

Yep. And not just violence toward women. Strangulation w/ rope, wire, ties, etc.

218 WitchDoctor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:15pm

On Wednesday we will wake up to a democratic congress and a Republican President. Tape or no.

And if I'm wrong, it won't matter because I won't be reading LGF, I'll be at the store buying one of those new Mossbergs :)

219 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:18pm

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.

220 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:32pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

Bit OT, and shamelessly pimping my own link, for which i crave forgiveness - ist just that I'm so proud of those lads!

From your link I found another BBC story that brings me much pleasure to post here.
Brand quits BBC over prank calls
Or, as I would have headlined it.
British "comedian" prick that begged America to vote for Obama at the MTV video music awards to save our country from "a retard cowboy fella" gets what he deserves after making "offensive comments" to respected British comedian Andrew Sachs regarding his 23 year old granddaughter and is pulled from BBC's Radio 2 program.
(a little long?)

221 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:49pm

re: #209 x-wing

Wonder what Chelse Clinton thinks about that? Not only does Obama beat out her mother for the nomination, then he tanks the industry that she is in. An Obamessiah regime doesn't look to be too kind for the Clintons.

Of course, it's gonna suck a lot for us, too.

222 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:55pm

re: #203 Iron Fist

WoG and I were exchanging songs for the Obamalypse. He picked Imagin by some old hippie loser, and I supplied an appropriate response.


maybe I just didn't understand the point. thanks.... but out of context they are rather offensive....hate to see you ticketed!

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:55pm

re: #210 looking closely

Maybe it has a picture of George Bush that would embarrass the president. They wouldn't want that to be public and hurt President Bush's image.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:12pm
225 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:34pm

re: #202 WrathofG-d

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

I would like to see the stills or vids of:

..and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

226 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:38pm

re: #187 Charles

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

227 Wendya  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:40pm

Holding back information crucial to the ability of voters to make an informed decision is now called "a cornerstone to good fundamental journalism and a free press"

Uncle Joe would be so proud.

228 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:47pm

Any videos yet on the protest?

229 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:08pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

Charles, you and the PJ people are in a position to make a commercial killing right now. The public is noticing that the press is FoS... and so you guys could: 1) pick a printer/plotter that can be mounted on the wall by the coffee pot, and 2) offer some kind of content on demand software that will let you (us!) order up a "newspaper" with non-traditional source content that will print out at about 5am on 11x17" paper for taking on the train, etc. It would be sitting there ready for you (us!) when you pour your first cup or make lunches for the kids. It would be great and someone will get rich doing this.

230 WhatDoIKnow  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:14pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

Ding.Ding.Ding...exactly! The slow bleed drip of information begins.

231 BirdFLU  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:25pm

The "confidential source" is a ridiculous excuse for this one. It's a video tape of a fund raising event. In other words, a lot of people were there. I'm sure there were several people taking pictures and videos. That's what fund raising events are for; people get together, are impressed by the other people they're rubbing elbows with, then donate money to the cause.

If the fund raising itself was confidential, they wouldn't have had an event where people get together, they would have raised funds in some other way.

So basically, the LA Times is surely lying and ia also saying "We found it first so you can't have it. We make the news!"

232 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:42pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

JammieWearingFool gets a hat tip from the NY Times' "Opinionator."

That is way cool for Jammie!

233 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:53pm

Maybe, perhaps .....
The MSM want to destroy PRESIDENT Obama with everything in their closets.
CANDIDATE Obama will only sell until the election cycle ends.
Just had a hunch. Give the Obama people something to think about.

234 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:58pm

Actually, 150 people or so is quite a good turn-out on such short notice... at 10 AM on a Thursday.

235 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:13pm

re: #230 WhatDoIKnow

Ding.Ding.Ding...exactly! The slow bleed drip of information begins.

Damn you Hillary.

236 Picayune  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:16pm

This is the same LA Slimes that shilled for the O by breaking the story about his IL opponent, Ryan, and pushing for breaking the seal on his divorce decree during the election that resulted in Ryan throwing in the towel against BroBama.

So, as to their highly touted ethics - well the barn door has now fallen from the barn and that horse is three states away.

Release the full, unedited tape now. US voters tend to punish hypocrisy in their pols and the MSM liars which pimp them!

237 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #208 yma o hyd

Good news indeed - but still, every vote counts, now more than ever.

I'm glad you say that, because it allows me to voice this opinion. I rather like that Mac and Sarah are not leading in the (obviously incorrect) polls. This makes Republicans that much more motivated to get out there, and vote.

If our ticket were leading, I fear that the Obots would treble their GOTV campaign on Tuesday. I know one kid (and his mother) from Univ of Miami who are planning their Obama victory party with neighbours, but he told me he thinks it's so in the bag, he can "sleep in" that day.

Good, sleep sleep very sleepy.

238 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:04pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

It worked for Skeletor, on H&C last night. Plus he kept going on about how some organization associated with McCain supposedly once gave Khalidi about $500k, like that made any difference.

239 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:06pm

re: #200 gonecamping

Sorry MSM, you have burned the bridge...there is no longer any trust, may your sales dwindle and your rags fade into obscurity.

That's part of why the MSM will be so fun to watch starting the day after the election.

What we do need is to develop newspapers that are unbiased, and support smaller papers that have stayed unbiased.

In that same FOX segment, they talked about the early 20th century, where newspapers were so openly biased, they often named themselves after the party towards which they favored (which is why you see so many papers whose names end in "Republican" or "Democrat").

240 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:45pm

ok I'll bring up the subject we're all wondering about...when does cognito show up in this thread to tell us all in condesending way, that we don't understand anything, and it's well within the LA times perogative to be above the common people because we really don't know anything..blah,blah, bloviate...

241 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:47pm

re: #226 Peacekeeper

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

You mean like Cognito?

(rolling eyes now)

242 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:50pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

Goodness. An actual journalist would have to go incognito to go along with this.

243 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:53pm

re: #183 akgoldrush

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

It was a freaking going away party! How secretive and protected does that tape need to be?

244 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:57pm

re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

Charles can't post your pix, yet. Do you have a blog?

245 Cato  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:45:11pm

THIS IS WHAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SHOULD DO:

A proxy ought to say: We understand, LA Times, that you may have an obligation. But if Obama says you can release it will you? We hereby ask you Mr. Obama, to instruct the Times to release it.

Obama either answers or ignores. If he ignores, we make a stink. If he answers. "It is not in my power to release it," we make it sound as if he is stonewalling, which he is.

If he makes an announcement that whoever brought it in agree to the Times release, maybe we can sweeten the offer with money.

246 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:45:24pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.


From the article,

The circumstances of her death remain unclear

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:38pm

We need to begin to think of how we are going to support President McCain and his new Administration against an overwhelmingly partisan Congress.

248 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:40pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

You mean like Cognito?

(rolling eyes now)


uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

249 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:50pm

re: #202 WrathofG-d

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

How much bandwidth does Fallback have?

250 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

Good grief, she must have been an NYC cop before she was a blogger.

251 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:56pm

re: #245 Cato

THIS IS WHAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SHOULD DO:

A proxy ought to say: We understand, LA Times, that you may have an obligation. But if Obama says you can release it will you? We hereby ask you Mr. Obama, to instruct the Times to release it.

Obama either answers or ignores. If he ignores, we make a stink. If he answers. "It is not in my power to release it," we make it sound as if he is stonewalling, which he is.

If he makes an announcement that whoever brought it in agree to the Times release, maybe we can sweeten the offer with money.

Excellent idea. I think the Times would fall back on its same excuse, but this would force Obama to show his hand.

252 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:04pm

re: #234 astronmr20

Actually, 150 people or so is quite a good turn-out on such short notice... at 10 AM on a Thursday.

If it doesn't get exposure, it didn't happen. Hope to God we get photos, videos, and that local news at least sent out a crew.

253 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:18pm

re: #205 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tape or no tape makes no difference when they refused to come clean the minute the push for disclosure started. The more the LAT stonewalls the more the implicit belief there is something there grows. If there is nothing to the tape why refuse to release it?

Just because this is a possible conspiracy theory does not invalid that there is something being covered up.

Oh yes - its the cover-up, the non-release of the tape (if they have it) which is so damaging. Not just to the LAT but to B0, because everybody can now let their imagination run riot.

I think, regardless of what is on that tape, the cover-up will now run, and hopefully radio hosts will keep at it.
This story is so full of holes - simply on principle they must not be allowed to get away with it and let this story be slowly swept under the carpet.

254 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:40pm

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

Skelator is going to grasp any straw he can to support his/Obama's position. I doubt there is anything low enough for Skeletor to call the Left on.

Unless they lose. If they lose, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth from the "intellegent" people who have carried Obama's water for him all these months.

255 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:54pm
256 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:29pm

re: #221 Iron Fist

Wonder what Chelse Clinton thinks about that? Not only does Obama beat out her mother for the nomination, then he tanks the industry that she is in. An Obamessiah regime doesn't look to be too kind for the Clintons.

Of course, it's gonna suck a lot for us, too.

Yeah , I read about what he did to Britains currency years back. Chelsea may have to move back in with mom and pop.

/she was in court to help settle the buyout of one of the financial institutions. And very rude, according to the paper.

257 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:35pm

Just got this from Google

Dear Publisher,

We understand that the recent economic turmoil has created a lot of uncertainty in the lives of AdSense publishers. During these difficult times, we're continuing to invest in innovations that improve publisher monetization and advertiser value in the content network.

Investing in and promoting Obama.

258 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:52pm

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

259 Alouette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:11pm
Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

Some deep pocket is being blackmailed with that video. By releasing the contents, the mark will have no more reason to pay up.

260 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:15pm

re: #199 Soona'

I still think it plausable that someone sent it there as garuantee of no harm from the Obama organization. (If something happens to this person, then the tape gets shown)

Not very plausible.

The only way this would really serve as a warning to Obama's thugs to leave the tape's creator alone were if that creator's identity were already known to them.

If the Obama camp did NOT know who made the tape already, then why would its author draw attention to himself by submitting it for coverage at the LAT?

That doesn't make sense.

261 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:23pm

re: #249 debutaunt

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

262 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:23pm

re: #246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

hahahahahahahahahahah good one. :D

263 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:50pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

you get my latest email about the website?

264 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:00pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.


_________________________________________
From this quote on HuffPo
"The circumstances of her death remain unclear; police believe she may have taken her own life after learning that her roommate -- and former partner -- had been found dead."
That's not what the police believe!
They didn't read the write-ups showing the evidence uncovered so far;
she killed her partner.

265 SpartanWoman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:01pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.


Because the journalists are colluding with their LAT buddies to perpetrate a fraud

266 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:05pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Accordingly, the only reason to keep the tape under wraps is to conceal what is on it.

What if they returned it? What if they expunged the damning scenes, or in some way altered it, which would visible to third parties?

267 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:21pm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Just six days before the Election, KING 5 News discovered absentee ballots being left unsecured in a University Place post office.
268 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:40pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

Nothing could be done. We're poised to elect a man who is no friend to Israel (to put it mildly), and it's a fair bet that this tape is the smoking gun that would prove it...but you can't impeach him for it.

Frustrating in the extreme.

269 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

No.

270 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:42pm

Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

No, its an admission that some of the people on the tape are dangerous terrorists.

271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:51pm
272 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #216 midwestgak

This adds to my belief that the amount of money spent does not the election win. I meant that syntax.

Its not money alone that wins an election, but effective use of that money.

The problem here is that the more election cycles Soros and his like try to subvert, the better they get at doing it.

273 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:01pm
Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

Could mean that the source could wind up like Vince Foster, dead and much controversy about the death.

274 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:01pm

re: #187 Charles

Another curious problem here is that (generally speaking) the MSM thrives on leaks...It routinely publishes info everybody knows is supposedly "confidential." Government employees sign confidentiality agreements (pledging that they'll never leak info), yet info is routinely leaked to the press. Hence, the press is complicit in getting the Info out there -- based on the concept of "the Public's Right To Know". And the "public's right to know" trumps "confidentiality." What's really at stake here has (imo) nothing to do with "confidentiality" -- what this matter entails is keeping a source anonymous. Maintaining anonymous sources IS NOT the same as "confidentiality." The two are separate and distinct issues. But the LA Times is conflating the two in the hopes that the Video evidence will never come to light, and thus the Zero's "reputation" will remain unblemished. They're not protecting "a source" -- they are protecting Their Candidate...as per Pravada...or a State Controlled Media under orders from the PolitiBuro...The Left has given its Orders to the Press, and the Press complies.

275 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:21pm
re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

cblesz, send your email address to FightThePalinSmears.com tips. They can put up a few pics.

276 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:29pm

re: #220 bosforus

From your link I found another BBC story that brings me much pleasure to post here.
Brand quits BBC over prank calls
Or, as I would have headlined it.
British "comedian" prick that begged America to vote for Obama at the MTV video music awards to save our country from "a retard cowboy fella" gets what he deserves after making "offensive comments" to respected British comedian Andrew Sachs regarding his 23 year old granddaughter and is pulled from BBC's Radio 2 program.
(a little long?)

Aahh - this story has dominated the news - over 20,000 complaints to the BBC, Gord, Dave Cameron, everybody weighing in.

Andrew Sachs played Manuel in Fawlty Towers, btw.

Oh - and if anybody has any connections to comedy bigwigs - that Brand person is trying to re-start his career in the USA ...

277 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:31pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need to begin to think of how we are going to support President McCain and his new Administration against an overwhelmingly partisan Congress.

Hey Fat, I'm still of the opinion that the dems in Congress aren't going to be as numerous as most people are speculating. And my crystal ball concurs.

278 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:45pm
279 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:19pm

re: #267 jcm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

280 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:43pm

Hmm, here's an interesting thought. Remember Biden's blacklisting of the news anchor who asked him some tough questions about socialism?

Maybe he was sending a message to the LAT that if they want any access in an Obama administration, keep this thing under wraps.

Far more likely, of course, that the LAT is doing it entirely volutarily, but an interesting confluence.

281 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:56pm

re: #254 Iron Fist

Skelator is going to grasp any straw he can to support his/Obama's position. I doubt there is anything low enough for Skeletor to call the Left on.

I wonder if Hannity knows how many people change the channel as soon as Colmes starts talking. I know I do, much as I like Hannity, I go to something on the Tivo, or watch some random ball game. He'd be smart to deep-six Colmes and get a more telegenic and better spoken liberal partner.

282 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:03pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

Do you guys remember a rumoured source within an MSM organisation said they had damaging info on Obama, but they were holding after his election?

I was told many times by moderate journalists (yes, there are some) that journalists do indeed lean liberal. There's no question of that. But what they really care about is "setting the narrative". Then they know no ideology. It becomes a question of "who got the story".

If true, how venal. How disgusting.

283 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:09pm

re: #226 Peacekeeper

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

They could invite several of the local imams and some representatives from Farrakan's NOI to make sure it didn't offend the ROP. No jooos allowed.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:20pm

re: #277 midwestgak

Your mouth, gods ear and all that.

285 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:26pm

Again: If one is elected but not sworn to office. What can be done?

286 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:38pm

re: #269 astronmr20

President Biden? OMG!

287 CapeCoddah  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:40pm

re: #229 Sunlight

Charles, you and the PJ people are in a position to make a commercial killing right now. The public is noticing that the press is FoS... and so you guys could: 1) pick a printer/plotter that can be mounted on the wall by the coffee pot, and 2) offer some kind of content on demand software that will let you (us!) order up a "newspaper" with non-traditional source content that will print out at about 5am on 11x17" paper for taking on the train, etc. It would be sitting there ready for you (us!) when you pour your first cup or make lunches for the kids. It would be great and someone will get rich doing this.

All we have to do is wait a few weeks, then the lizards can pick up and publish the LA Times ourselves. They should be going on the block shortly... The Lizard Standard Times.

288 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:40pm

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

289 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:50pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Once the election is in the bag, there's not a whole lot the voters can do if they are suddenly hit with Buyers Remorse about it. I think it's a given that the Dems are going to hold the House and the Senate at the end of all this. They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium. No matter what the voters want.

If Obama wins next tuesday, it's over for the next two years. We can (hopefully) filibuster in the Senate, but it's going to be one long, cold, dark winter for us in the meantime.

290 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:52pm

This will probably sound crazy, but can we, collectively, make any legal maneuvers if Obama wins with the obvious aid of election fraud?

291 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:54pm

#246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

Yeah, "unclear" about 222 stab wounds. It does appear that the victim was a complete ass and certainly deserved a kick in the hindquarters, but the murderer went completely crazy, and tried to cover it up. Then Huffpost paints over the story!

292 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:05pm

re: #248 Spider Mensch

uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

"Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice!"

293 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #206 Oh no...Sand People!

It linked to YURI BEZMENOV? i havent had time to watch it

I didnt see anything about Mondale.. ?

294 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:39pm

re: #268 capitalist piglet

Nothing could be done. We're poised to elect a man who is no friend to Israel (to put it mildly), and it's a fair bet that this tape is the smoking gun that would prove it...but you can't impeach him for it.

Frustrating in the extreme.

May I remind everyone that it isn't Nov 5th yet?

295 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:41pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

NHS will cover hair plugs and Botox.

296 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:42pm

re: #227 Wendya

Holding back information crucial to the ability of voters to make an informed decision is now called "a cornerstone to good fundamental journalism and a free press"

Uncle Joe would be so proud.

Until the tape is released there is only the LAT and the source that knows if the information is crucial. Until then it only has the potential of being of use. Right now all we have is circumstantial evidence. Still, it is a very strong case for being damning to the Obama campaign.

297 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:43pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

298 Josephine  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:45pm

They're not protecting a confidential source.

They're protecting the candidate whom they hope will give their industry big bailout bucks if he is elected President.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:53pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Allow me to note that the claims that "releasing the tape might put the source in jeopardy" have no validity whatsoever.

That the tape exists is already known. The tape has already been written about. Therefore, any "jeopardy" that might attach to the source has already attached to any person or persons who might have videotaped the event--and attached some time ago.

Accordingly, the only reason to keep the tape under wraps is to conceal what is on it.

Perhaps the LA Times was only allowed to view the tape, and they don't really have it in their possession anymore, but don't want to admit that little fact.

300 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:01pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

I'm speechless, possible voter fraud in WA.

/knock me over with a feather.

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:05pm

Question:
Is everyone so sure this tape would make the difference?
With only hours to go, should maybe the focus be elsewhere?
just askin'

302 GreenBear  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:10pm

Well, just suppose, hypothetical-like, we found our own "source" for the tape and we start detailing the really outrageous stuff on the tape (say a tipsy Obama admitting that John McCain would make a great president) and then they have to release the tape so we can see what's really on it? Nah. That’s what the DNC would do…

Sometimes it's no fun being honorable.

/sarc

303 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:14pm

re: #125 Son of the Black Dog

That's the only theory I've seen that correlates with all the known facts.

Debbie Schluessel claims that the tapes author is a Palestinian named Ali Abunimah, and that Wallsten plagiarized the original story from her.

304 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:15pm

re: #288 gmsc

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

LOL! With featurette narration by Susan Sarandon.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:18pm

It seems that I like Cog a lot more than most folks here. Maybe I just don't see the posts that he makes that are so offensive.

I save my anger for the Sandmen of the world.

306 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:41pm

re: #267 jcm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Oh whee, more Gregoire crap. :(

307 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:48pm

re: #248 Spider Mensch

uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

COGNI....I can't do it.

308 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:21pm

re: #287 CapeCoddah

All we have to do is wait a few weeks, then the lizards can pick up and publish the LA Times ourselves. They should be going on the block shortly... The Lizard Standard Times.

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. This is a business opportunity for the chief lizard, instapundit, roger, et al... they're doing the pjtv stuff and now they need to have a replacement product for the breakfast table newspaper...

309 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:55pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium.

Ohhh. Baaaaa-rack.

310 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:58pm
311 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:08pm

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

It worked for Skeletor, on H&C last night. Plus he kept going on about how some organization associated with McCain supposedly once gave Khalidi about $500k, like that made any difference.

Skeletor stands there like some reptilian lady justice, balancing out everything for us.

312 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #293 PISSED

It linked to YURI BEZMENOV? i havent had time to watch it

I didnt see anything about Mondale.. ?

Yup. He mentions 'Mondale' late in the vid (This interview was done in '86 IIRC). When you get some time to waste...it explains everything about the left. As a Soviet defector the dude knows the heart of the liberal beast.

313 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #276 yma o hyd

Ah, yes. He's moving here! Excellent. *spit*

314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:14pm

re: #288 gmsc

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

Perhaps we could say CIA operatives forced people in the video to form pyramids while wearing thongs on their heads. That should give it the front page for weeks.

315 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #297 jcm

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

That won't stop the Dems unless there is a MASSIVE margin.

316 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #237 vbspurs

I'm glad you say that, because it allows me to voice this opinion. I rather like that Mac and Sarah are not leading in the (obviously incorrect) polls. This makes Republicans that much more motivated to get out there, and vote.

If our ticket were leading, I fear that the Obots would treble their GOTV campaign on Tuesday. I know one kid (and his mother) from Univ of Miami who are planning their Obama victory party with neighbours, but he told me he thinks it's so in the bag, he can "sleep in" that day.

Good, sleep sleep very sleepy.

Yeah - I hope they have a nice long lie-in and then get ready for the party - to drown their sorrows!
Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.
Above all - every Republican and PUMA must disregard the exit polls!
Its not over until the last vote is cast - but Lizards know that ...

317 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #276 yma o hyd

Oh - and if anybody has any connections to comedy bigwigs - that Brand person is trying to re-start his career in the USA ...


I wish him the best of luck.
Its a crowded field, and I've heard the guy. . .he's just not that funny.

318 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:36pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium.

more unfounded rumors?
///

319 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:46pm

re: #285 Allah al Fubar

Again: If one is elected but not sworn to office. What can be done?

A round house kick to the face by Chuck Norris?

/did you catch his commercial yet?

320 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:07pm

re: #292 Ward Cleaver

"Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice!"

the bio media exorcist?

321 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:10pm

re: #294 midwestgak

May I remind everyone that it isn't Nov 5th yet?

I was speaking to a scenario put forth in the post I answered, not to what I expect to happen. Don't take me for someone who thinks the result is a foregone conclusion, please - I don't.

322 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:11pm

re: #308 Sunlight

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. This is a business opportunity for the chief lizard, instapundit, roger, et al... they're doing the pjtv stuff and now they need to have a replacement product for the breakfast table newspaper...

Why would Charles and his posse throw over the way of reading news of the future, to invest in the way of reading news of the past?

I mean, that's part of the reason all these broadsheets are failing, yes?

323 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:24pm
324 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:24pm

re: #282 vbspurs

Do you guys remember a rumoured source within an MSM organisation said they had damaging info on Obama, but they were holding after his election?

I was told many times by moderate journalists (yes, there are some) that journalists do indeed lean liberal. There's no question of that. But what they really care about is "setting the narrative". Then they know no ideology. It becomes a question of "who got the story".

If true, how venal. How disgusting.


The question remains: If "O" is not yet sworn in, and public outrage and demands force the release of the tape. Is there anything that can be done to keep him from being sworn in?

325 lori lane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:04pm

Streaming video of Palin in Erie, PA here!

326 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #244 Mardukhai

Charles can't post your pix, yet. Do you have a blog?

Set up a flickr account. Won't take but a few minutes and you can post a link to it.

327 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:46pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

OT:

still waiting on my people to get back to me. If you knew who I was asking you'd laugh. I'm pulling big strings and they are probably rolling their eyes, but helping anyway.

328 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:47pm

Another stupid thing going on here is this -- why would that Peter Wallsten in that LA Times article write about the existence of the video tape, if in fact, it was all so hush-hush and "confidential." As I laugh..If the video tape were all that "secret" Peter Wallsten wouldn't have bothered to mention its existence.

329 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:05pm

re: #285 Allah al Fubar

Nothing.
If John Smith were elected and then went on a rampage Christmas Eve killing 100 people, I would expect the new Congress to immediately impeach him and for the Senate to convict.
Well, I mean unless he was a Democrat.

330 A Kiwi Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:07pm
331 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:18pm

re: #261 WrathofG-d

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

I went there yesterday when I couldn't log on here and was very alone.

332 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #316 yma o hyd

Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

333 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:26pm

re: #309 vbspurs

THANKS ... I just spit coffee on my keyboard : )

334 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:35pm

re: #316 yma o hyd

Yeah - I hope they have a nice long lie-in and then get ready for the party - to drown their sorrows!
Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.
Above all - every Republican and PUMA must disregard the exit polls!
Its not over until the last vote is cast - but Lizards know that ...


Persons who have not yet voted absolutely should ignore any exit polling. That polling is absolutely worthless, as President Kerry can attest to.

But for persons who have ALREADY voted, who GET polled, its absolutely worth it to tell the pollsters that they have voted for McCain, just to try to level the playing field a little bit.

335 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #261 WrathofG-d

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

Wasn't fallback set up by Babba and she gave zombie and some other lizards postin privileges?

336 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:59pm

"Put the source in jeopardy."

Interesting. What kind of jeopardy? Criminal/Legal jeopardy? Concern for physical harm? Or political fallout that might be damaging to one's career?

The problem the LAT has with its latest excuses for withholding the video from public view is that as buzzsawmonkey notes at 255 above is that the following is not in doubt: (1) there is a video; (2) Obama is on that video; (3) and the description of who attended the event is a who's who of radical leftists. We are left wondering what was actually said and how Obama appears on the video and in what context.

The LAT appears most concerned with what appears on the video, since they refuse to show what it contains.

No way to tell. But in all likelihood, that's suggestive that the person who released the video to the LAT would suffer serious backlash from the Obama campaign - a story in and of itself worthy of further reporting. That's thuggish behavior and an iron-fisted attempt to contain and manage the message - crushing dissent and those who stray off the preordained message.

337 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:00pm

re: #312 Oh no...Sand People!

THANKS I will add to favorites and watch...

338 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:12pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

Now, now... that's not so bad. The top of his head screws off (where the hair plugs are plugged in). Peanut butter lies beneath. mmmm Peanut butter!

I'd rather have a Peanut Butter Biden Bar than a Chicago Thug Bar. I've been to several bars in my life. Somehow the Peanut Butter Biden Bar sounds safer than the Chicago Thug Bar.

What say you?

339 lummox  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:14pm

Ya ever think that the L.A.Times is withholding the video to conserve bandwidth? Huh?

/

340 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:16pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Unfortunately not. However, it is still within the ability of the electoral college to mount a challenge to his qualifications to serve. Yes, Berg is a troofer and all the rest, but based on the Indonesian connection, I think 0bama had his citizenship renounced for him.

From Hollander v McCain and RNC pg 11
The Constitution indicates that issues relating to a candidate’s eligibility for the Office of
President rest, in the first instance, with the voters and with the Electoral College, the
constitutionally created body responsible for selecting the President of the United States. See
U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 2 (“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
may direct,” electors for the President and Vice President); id. amend. XXIII, § 1. The
Constitution’s commitment to the Electoral College of the responsibility to select the President
subsumes the authority to decide whether a presidential candidate is qualified for office because
the examination of a candidate’s qualifications is an integral component of the electors’ decisionmaking
process. If a court were to sit in judgment of a candidate’s qualifications before the
Nation has voted, and before the Electoral College has cast its votes, such a judgment could
“inappropriately interfer[e]” with the Electoral College’s constitutional authority to elect the
President and to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates seeking that office. Munoz-Flores,
495 U.S. at 394.

341 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:22pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

Yeah, it's like all those people who had the "Impeach Bush" yard signs a few years back. Did they really want President Cheney?

342 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:26pm

re: #281 Son of the Black Dog

I know. I'm the same way. I like Hannity, but Skeletor makes me want to break things. It could be worse, I guess. Hannity could have the Naked Mole Rat James Carville on.

Bleh.

343 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:31pm

re: #331 debutaunt

Yea I've been going back and forth there with all these LGF probs, and was a small man standing alone in a big empty white room.

344 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:03pm

re: #331 debutaunt

I went there yesterday when I couldn't log on here and was very alone.

Babba has her own blog now.

345 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:05pm

Attackers kill at least 61 in northeast India, 12th Ld-Writethru, AS

Officials blamed the largest separatist group, the United Liberation Front of Asom, for the blasts. "The needle of suspicion is on ULFA," said Assam government spokesman Himanta Biswa Sharma.

United Liberation Front of Asom (Wiki)

However, it might have an indirect link in the sense that China wants to keep the North East region a vulnerable one for India. But ULFA reportedly has links with ISI of Pakistan or the Bangladesh establishment

ULFA has a very annoying home page.

Armed national liberation struggle from the clutches of the illegal occupation of India and to establish a sovereign Independent Assam.

[snip]

The struggle for national liberation of Assam never is a seperatist or secessionist movement:

Well that clears that up.

346 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:09pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.

347 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:13pm

re: #327 WrathofG-d


Well God Bless you, Wrath. Luck and prayers.

348 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #295 Ward Cleaver

NHS will cover hair plugs and Botox.

But only for members of the nomenlkatura.

349 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:27pm

re: #335 redstateredneck

I don't know the specifics. However, I believe it was started by babba (who is banned now, yes?).

Maybe that is why noone goes there anymore. Or maybe its because there are so many newbies that they didn't even know about it.

350 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:28pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It seems that I like Cog a lot more than most folks here. Maybe I just don't see the posts that he makes that are so offensive.

I save my anger for the Sandmen of the world.

And JMV.

351 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:32pm

re: #297 jcm

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:35pm

re: #334 looking closely

Persons who have not yet voted absolutely should ignore any exit polling. That polling is absolutely worthless, as President Kerry can attest to.

But for persons who have ALREADY voted, who GET polled, its absolutely worth it to tell the pollsters that they have voted for McCain, just to try to level the playing field a little bit.

I haven't voted yet, technically since I have not yet turned in my absentee ballot for WA State yet, but I have been polled and I told them it was "NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!"

353 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:41pm
354 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:50pm

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Well damn, then that makes it just fine and dandy. Put the nation in "jeopardy"

Then again, this "source" could be selected to go on "jeopardy" and make a pile of money, right?

"source", please make sure your answers are in the form of a question.

355 sammi  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:53pm

re: #87 Clio

I think Clio is right that anti-Israel sentiments would not upset all that many people. Much of the Jewish vote is already anti-Zionist and ready to follow the State Department lead on the grounds that to be too pro-Israel would be to offend the upper classes, to whom they look for protection from the mob. In other words, this is the price of "assimilation."
FYI, Lizards, from what I know the orthodox Jews are strongly Republican and do not think that Christian evangelicals are going to destroy science and freedom of religion.

356 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:03:29pm
To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Does he mean that journalistically, or criminally?

Can we assume that this tape makes Obie look bad, and therefore whoever releases it will end up on the bottom of Lake Michigan?

357 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #315 FurryOldGuyJeans

That won't stop the Dems unless there is a MASSIVE margin.

Watch the absentees from Pierce County, Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base.

358 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:02pm

Ok!
Since most here are way smarter than Loader.....
With all the election FRAUD,
Voter fraud
Acorn
Campaign fund FRAUD
Less than reputable associations...
Etc
Etc................What can be done if the Obama IS ellected?

359 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:02pm

"Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?"


Seems to be an admission that the people surrounding Obama are dangerous too.

360 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:39pm

re: #290 capitalist piglet

Shit !
Didnt read your post before making mine!

361 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:40pm

re: #302 GreenBear

Well, just suppose, hypothetical-like, we found our own "source" for the tape and we start detailing the really outrageous stuff on the tape (say a tipsy Obama admitting that John McCain would make a great president) and then they have to release the tape so we can see what's really on it? Nah. That’s what the DNC would do…

Sometimes it's no fun being honorable.

/sarc

Biden already said he be proud to be John McCain's vice-president. Back during the primaries.

362 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:51pm

Has anyone asked if they'd be willing to at least release audio? Got any excuses for that one yet?

363 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:54pm

Just slap "CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET D.O.D." on it and the LA Times' problem is solved. They have no problem releasing state secrets. I find their selective piousness...troubling.

364 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:55pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

Once the election is in the bag, there's not a whole lot the voters can do if they are suddenly hit with Buyers Remorse about it. I think it's a given that the Dems are going to hold the House and the Senate at the end of all this. They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium. No matter what the voters want.

If Obama wins next tuesday, it's over for the next two years. We can (hopefully) filibuster in the Senate, but it's going to be one long, cold, dark winter for us in the meantime.

What about the American voters, state for state, get their electors to become 'faithless', and vote against B0 in the electoral college?

Sorry - as you all know, I'm not an American, so i don't know if that is possible or consitutionally legal.

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:02pm

re: #357 jcm

Watch the absentees from Pierce County, Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base.

I am one of those absentees as is my mother, so yeah I always watch closely ever since the Gregoire Affair in 2004.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:21pm
367 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:21pm

re: #349 WrathofG-d

I don't know the specifics. However, I believe it was started by babba (who is banned now, yes?).

Maybe that is why noone goes there anymore. Or maybe its because there are so many newbies that they didn't even know about it.

Babba was the one who put up the links and she has her own blog now. I dont' know if she was banned or if she left on a self imposed exile. Whatever reason, she will not let anyone get away with posting badly about Charles or LGF.

369 gunjam  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #191 Karagush


If the info is REALLY REALLY damaging. The Times may be very afraid what might happen to them if they release it and O wins in a squeaker anyway. And the person who submitted it may fear retribution from any number of people. I am not just talking about being blackballed or friends not talking to you any more. Large amounts of money may have changed hands too.

It goes very badly for Zionist collaborators among the palestinians.

Nobody seems to have considered that angle if this tape is extremely damaging.

I think you are closer to the real reason here.

370 Ward Cleaver[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:56pm
371 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:02pm

re: #354 Elcid

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Shouldn't we really also be discussing what the heck that means? What type of jeopardy? By whom? Who exactly does Obama hang out with that would scare the pants off the LA Times. Also, seriously if someone could have this much pull over the LA Times, and most likely all other Newspapers/News sources, are we to expect it doesn't happen all the time. This puts the entire news reporting business in question as far as Wrath is concerned.

372 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:03pm

re: #340 Shr_Nfr

Unfortunately not. However, it is still within the ability of the electoral college to mount a challenge to his qualifications to serve. Yes, Berg is a troofer and all the rest, but based on the Indonesian connection, I think 0bama had his citizenship renounced for him.

From Hollander v McCain and RNC pg 11
The Constitution indicates that issues relating to a candidate’s eligibility for the Office of
President rest, in the first instance, with the voters and with the Electoral College, the
constitutionally created body responsible for selecting the President of the United States. See
U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 2 (“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
may direct,” electors for the President and Vice President); id. amend. XXIII, § 1. The
Constitution’s commitment to the Electoral College of the responsibility to select the President
subsumes the authority to decide whether a presidential candidate is qualified for office because
the examination of a candidate’s qualifications is an integral component of the electors’ decisionmaking
process. If a court were to sit in judgment of a candidate’s qualifications before the
Nation has voted, and before the Electoral College has cast its votes, such a judgment could
“inappropriately interfer[e]” with the Electoral College’s constitutional authority to elect the
President and to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates seeking that office. Munoz-Flores,
495 U.S. at 394.

As a matter of pragmatism, this is a dead end.

This sort of challenge should have been pursued when Obama first announced his candidacy, not now.

Obama's candidacy isn't going to be knocked out at the 11th hour by a legal technicality. There are enough partisan Dems stacking the deck that this simply isn't going to happen, and it would raise all sorts of howling about partisan trickery especially from the media, which is in the tank for Obama.

Further, if he's elected, its effectively too late anyway. You want President Biden?

374 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:43pm

Repeating the question here because I hit the end of the last thread:

Are there any attorneys here who know whether or not the LAT can be formally prosecuted for supressing information that could be critical to our National security?

Message to the LAT:

Go ahead you slimy, smirky assholes... laugh at the voting public. Laugh at your subscribers. Put your nonexistant objectivity and profound lack of journalistic integrity on display right out front, for everyone to see and photograph.

But know this: if Barack Obama is elected due to your partisan negligence - and it is later found out that your supression of this video compromised our national security in some way - Barack Obama is going to be subject to formal impeachment hearings. Immediately, and without delay. And the LA Times will be publicly eviscerated with a severity that you can't even begin to imagine.

Here's something else for you to chew on:

The public will be so outraged at this betrayal from the liberal media that Democrats will be turned out of public office for the next decade, if not longer. And the DNC will have YOU to thank for it.

Keep smirking, assholes.

The FBI is coming. For you.

375 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:07pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

My favorite pro-Rossi ad is the baby in a diaper. Talking about Gregoire being in Olympia for 35 years without a change.

376 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:13pm

re: #360 reloadingisnotahobby

Shit !
Didnt read your post before making mine!

That's okay, yours was probably better! (Didn't see it - things move pretty fast around here.)

377 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:33pm

re: #353 taxfreekiller

Another guess.

Some ones wife did the filming, she passed the tape without the husbans ok, thus she is very well due an honor (****ing) in any event.

Good one.

Another theory: the person who gave it to the LA Times can be picked out by their position in the room, or around the table. Yes, Debbie Schussel is touting the name already, but what if it's not him?

Here is the guest list:

1. Rashid Khalidi (is the main reason this event was held)
2. Arab American Action Network (AAAN, founded by Rashid Khalidi)
3. Barack Obama (who gave a special tribute)
4. Mona Khalidi (Rashid Khalidi’s wife)
5. Local Palestinian Leaders
6. Not In My Name (left wing anti-war group)
7. Ali Abunimah (a Palestinian rights activist in Chicago who helps run Electronic Intifada)
8. Bill Ayers (ex-Weatherman domestic terrorist)
9. Bernadine Dohrn (ex-Weatherman domestic terrorist)
10. Gihad Ali, A poet
11. Richard Daley (Mayor of Chicago)
12. The Sanabel Debka troupe

Problem with dealing with these kind of scum, is that when they get angry, they don't do a background check on you like Ohio officials did on poor Joe W.

They kill you. This is the kind of people Barack Obama willingly associated himself with for 20 years. My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

378 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:36pm

re: #346 Outrider

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.


No, they wont, they wont dare, because the "Fairness Doctrine" will have passed into law by POTUS Obama.

379 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:55pm

re: #346 Outrider

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.


They didn't "gang up" on Clinton, and there was lots of information available about his serial philandering before the election, before his re-election, and before the Lewinksy scandal.

380 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:59pm

re: #321 capitalist piglet

I was speaking to a scenario put forth in the post I answered, not to what I expect to happen. Don't take me for someone who thinks the result is a foregone conclusion, please - I don't.

Good for you cap. Didn't mean to imply I was talkin just to you. It was meant to be a peppy reminder, not a scolding of any sort. :)

381 AmericanMe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:13pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.

A tribute for a monster who stabbed another human 220 times? Sheesh! Sick!

382 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:27pm

re: #317 looking closely

I wish him the best of luck.
Its a crowded field, and I've heard the guy. . .he's just not that funny.

He's a disgusting example of the lowest British art form - a comedian drenched in toilet humour.
He's not even funny.

383 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:31pm

re: #374 Irish Rose

Kinda light on 'em, huh Rose?
;-)

384 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:34pm

re: #365 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am one of those absentees as is my mother, so yeah I always watch closely ever since the Gregoire Affair in 2004.

The biggie is Reed's change where Sec. State can step into a county if he perceives a problem, he doesn't have to wait to be invited. His hands were tied in '04 he couldn't step in.

385 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:42pm

re: #324 Allah al Fubar

The question remains: If "O" is not yet sworn in, and public outrage and demands force the release of the tape. Is there anything that can be done to keep him from being sworn in?

Once the Electoral College votes, no -- not legally anyway.

386 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:03pm

Marathon call w/ client. My ear is on fire.

Now it's time to hit the road.

I'll check in later....

Hope everyone has an enjoyable afternoon!

387 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:15pm

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

No WND stories, please.

Charles?


Why not? Did you read it?

388 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:52pm

re: #377 vbspurs

My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?


Daniel Pipes was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about that very thing. Could he get clearance to work for the FBI or CIA? Probably not.

389 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:06pm

re: #385 SFGoth

Once the Electoral College votes, no -- not legally anyway.

Once the House of Reps certifies the Electoral College vote. (Techincal Detail)

390 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:11pm

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

391 SecondComing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:33pm

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

Release the pics Charles! What are you hiding? That's not a plausible excuse. Protest protest! /

392 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:38pm

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

Question:
Is everyone so sure this tape would make the difference?
With only hours to go, should maybe the focus be elsewhere?
just askin'

Again you are assuming people are incapable of multi-tasking.

393 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:41pm

re: #380 midwestgak

Good for you cap. Didn't mean to imply I was talkin just to you. It was meant to be a peppy reminder, not a scolding of any sort. :)

Thank you, midwest. We can win this - I really believe we can. The voter fraud is the only thing that concerns me, since Ohio looks too corrupt to win - I just would like to know what can be done about it, because no American should be forced to accept what is going on there.

394 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:43pm

re: #332 vbspurs

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

Like the metaphore. Updinged ya.

395 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:49pm

re: #378 A Kiwi Infidel

No, they wont, they wont dare, because the "Fairness Doctrine" will have passed into law by POTUS Obama.

The Fairness Doctrine was created before the internet. Most talk shows are streamed online. It's not as convenient as radio, but doesn't suffer from the same bandwith limitations that the guv uses to justify regulating content.

396 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:53pm

re: #374 Irish Rose

The FBI is coming. For you.


I don't see it.

First of all, if Obama wins, he controls the FBI. He's not going to be investigated, and he's going to make sure the FBI isn't working on digging up dirt on him personally.

Next, I don't see how you can make ANY "national security" issue of out this. Obama, BEFORE ELECTED PRESIDENT, approved of some anti-Israel remarks? How is that a national security issue? I don't get it.

397 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:09pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

Media Astroturfing.

398 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:19pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

The amount of ads has a great potential of backfiring on Gregoire, and the multiple recount issue is not going away.

The income tax is probably going to be her worst obstacle to overcome as the voters here keep rejecting it every time it comes up, especially her call for a "partial income tax". There is nothing partial about it; either one's income is taxed at the state level or it isn't.

399 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #341 arethusa

Yeah, it's like all those people who had the "Impeach Bush" yard signs a few years back. Did they really want President Cheney?

Is it time to start making "Impeach Obama" signs?

400 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:27pm

re: #377 vbspurs

This is the kind of people Barack Obama willingly associated himself with for 20 years. My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

IMHO one of the flaws of Obama the man is an inability to detect evil. These sorts of people have a stink about them that drives most good people away.

But Obama? He seems to be attracted to them.

Not a qualification to be president in a world with real evil to defend against.

God help our country if Obama is elected.

401 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:31pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

Why make this story up then? What benefit is there to the LA times?

402 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:03pm

re: #388 redstateredneck

Daniel Pipes was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about that very thing. Could he get clearance to work for the FBI or CIA? Probably not.

I already have posed this question to a liberal friend. She countered by asking if Todd Palin would pass one, having been a member of a secessionist party. I told her, he sent his boy to fight in Iraq for America. Is that patriotic enough for you?

You can imagine her reaction.

403 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:05pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

Hahahahahaha - give 'em the Washington Post prize for excellence in fiction masquerading as journalism. (Some of you "old" folks from the D.C. area may know what I'm talking about.) I kinda suspected the same.

404 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:20pm

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

Thanks! I hope we get to see them - it would be cool if some of those Times employees were on video, too.

405 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #377 vbspurs

My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

Not likely.

Doesn't that answer a few questions about the annointed one.

406 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:37pm

In 2004 here in little old Dublin California, the whole week before the election saw crowds at all the major intersections in town supporting J. Kerry (he carried Dublin 51-49). This election year, there has been no one out rallying for Obama. In 2004 there were Kerry lawnsigns all over town. This year, not a single one for Obama, and I've been all over town looking for them. There are about the same number of McCain lawnsigns as there were Bush lawnsigns in 2004 (although they are posted very high up, usually on palm trees where they can't be reached without a ladder). I don't care what the MSM says, there is no enthusiasm that I can detect for Obama in a town that Kerry narrowly carried four years ago.

My gut tells we that the polls are not reflecting what people are actually thinking and I believe the American people will have the good sense to reject this inexperienced and anti-American candidate. The LAT staffers are going to wake up on 11/5 and wonder what hit them.

407 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:59pm

re: #394 midwestgak

Like the metaphore. Updinged ya.

Thanks! Go Fins! Oops, did I just court my first downding? ;)

408 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:03pm

re: #387 A Kiwi Infidel


re: #370 Ward Cleaver

No WND stories, please.

Charles?


Why not? Did you read it?

Charles said upthread that he's almost ready to block MND links. Too much nutburger stuff there.

410 Zippy_Slug  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:21pm

Interesting "public interest" lawsuits involving the La Times over at Atlas Shrugged..

411 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:35pm

Not all my pics got through (sent from Blackberry)...but this guy has some pics and video...

[Link: www.mererhetoric.com...]

412 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:38pm

re: #408 Spenser (with an S)

MND links= WND links

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:39pm

re: #350 Erik The Red

And JMV.

Yeah. And JMV.

414 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:51pm

re: #378 A Kiwi Infidel

No, they wont, they wont dare, because the "Fairness Doctrine" will have passed into law by POTUS Obama.

And this will stop them from criticism of the administration, how?

415 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:00pm
416 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:01pm

re: #332 vbspurs

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

That sounds like American Football :-))

I know what you mean - from my favourite game: last phase of play, deep in injury time - if the ball goes out its game over. Last run to the tryline - time to jink, to outwit the opponents, let them grasp at air, and then dive over - TRY! Victory!

Have seen it happen quite a few times, in games where it really really mattered - the point is to keep on going and not watch the clock, or the referee ... and believe!

417 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:19pm

re: #364 yma o hyd

Technically, the electors can vote for anyone. IIRC, there was an elector in 2004 that refused to vote for Bush. However, in reality the idea of the Electors switching in numbers large enough to make a difference is practically impossible. It would be an unprecedented Constitutional crisis. I don't know how we would then handle it. Probably, there would be a challenge in the Courts, but I don't know if the Supreme Court would really have the jurisdiction to do anything. That would be, I guess, the first thing that the Court would have to decide on.

It'd be a mess. But I don't really see that as a practical scenario. If Obama once comes up on top (assuming that there recounts), then he'll be the next President. And there won't be a damn thing we can do about it. Damn, but I picked the wrong year to quit drinking :-)

418 devil in baggy pants  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:32pm

Okay, somebody help me out here...


why would you care about getting a tape that you won't make public? I mean, if you can't use the tape to report news, why would you want it? Just to state that you have it? What good does that do?

Let's say I have a tape of Bigfoot given to me. I can crow all day about what it says or shows, but unless someone sees it, it doesn't really matter.

419 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:55pm

re: #387 A Kiwi Infidel

Why not? Did you read it?

Charles was talking about blocking all links from WND and banning accounts from those who persisted.

420 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:14:59pm

re: #393 capitalist piglet

Thank you, midwest. We can win this - I really believe we can. The voter fraud is the only thing that concerns me, since Ohio looks too corrupt to win - I just would like to know what can be done about it, because no American should be forced to accept what is going on there.

My main concern as well. The people will ultimatley make the right choice. If the truth is allowed to be counted, it will be McCain/Palin 08

421 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:15:08pm

re: #330 A Kiwi Infidel

WND? Bye-bye post.

422 lumpy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:15:49pm
423 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #400 Ojoe

But Obama? He seems to be attracted to them.

Did you see his Baracommercial last night? The man was talking of his mother like someone might be describing going out to buy groceries. He doesn't emote at all.

I will say this for Bill Clinton, his BS was at least sugarcoated. Barack Obama's BS about having "Kansas values" is given with a deadpan stare. It's chilling.

424 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:16:02pm

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey


Though Obama's record makes plain
He'd not be cleared to guard John McCain
His voter hypnosis
Might sweep him to office
And then we would all feel the pain.

Nice.

425 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:16:03pm

re: #387 A Kiwi Infidel

Why not? Did you read it?

Kiwi, with all due respect: I read WND daily, but ... I dunno.. Sometimes they tend to not have so many independent sources. No offense to Jerome Corsi, who has done an outstanding job as an independent journalist.

426 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:16:33pm

re: #400 Ojoe

It's not that Obama cannot detect evil. He flat out doesn't believe that these people are evil. He is fully invested within the multicultural nationalist / fascist hard left. It's about power and identity - in particular race. They delude themselves that their beliefs, tactics, and actions are legitimate because it is for the unnamed faceless 'people' - but fundamentally they covet power and control -and the wealth that power and control brings.

427 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:16:53pm

re: #418 devil in baggy pants

Indeed. It's like I claim -- "Hey, I just found an intricate musical score (never before published) written by J.S. Bach! Yeah, it's been authored by Bach! Bach himself wrote this score! and, and, I tell ya, it's simply fabulous! Too bad you can't hear it. O well..."

428 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:17:22pm

re: #417 Iron Fist

Technically, the electors can vote for anyone. IIRC, there was an elector in 2004 that refused to vote for Bush. However, in reality the idea of the Electors switching in numbers large enough to make a difference is practically impossible. It would be an unprecedented Constitutional crisis. I don't know how we would then handle it. Probably, there would be a challenge in the Courts, but I don't know if the Supreme Court would really have the jurisdiction to do anything. That would be, I guess, the first thing that the Court would have to decide on.

It'd be a mess. But I don't really see that as a practical scenario. If Obama once comes up on top (assuming that there recounts), then he'll be the next President. And there won't be a damn thing we can do about it. Damn, but I picked the wrong year to quit drinking :-)

The founders made one error setting all this up. They expect those involved in public service to have honor, to do their duty.

The Constitution doesn't anticipate the dishonorable doing the corrupt to influence elections.

429 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:17:28pm
430 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:17:35pm
From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

Send them to Drudge and Fox, Charles.

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:17:48pm

Gotta run for now. Just remember...

"There's no basement in the Alamo!"

432 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:04pm

re: #416 yma o hyd

That sounds like American Football :-))

I'm British, but have taken to American culture like Anna Wintour to Chanel.

I know what you mean - from my favourite game: last phase of play, deep in injury time - if the ball goes out its game over. Last run to the tryline - time to jink, to outwit the opponents, let them grasp at air, and then dive over - TRY! Victory!

Oh don't. It reminds me of all too many Sunday evenings with my male cousins, flinging around the rugby ball. Ouchies. ;)

433 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:08pm

re: #425 Allah al Fubar

Corsi has gone off the rails as a conspiracy kook. He's a 9/11 troofer.

434 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:14pm

re: #358 reloadingisnotahobby

Unless he can be directly tied to a criminal act that would disqualify him from holding the office, nothing,nada,zip,zilch

435 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:32pm

Another reason to vote Republican

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

436 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:33pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.


If so, the LAT just punched itself in the eye. . .badly. They created this backlash, and then made it worse with the bit about the source being in danger.

437 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:40pm

Fox News Poll, McCain pulls within 3 points.

438 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #425 Allah al Fubar

Kiwi, with all due respect: I read WND daily, but ... I dunno.. Sometimes they tend to not have so many independent sources. No offense to Jerome Corsi, who has done an outstanding job as an independent journalist.

Is it true that Jerome Corsi is a Truther? Because that's a deal-breaker for me, about anyone.

439 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:18:59pm

re: #414 Outrider

And this will stop them from criticism of the administration, how?


Unless O does a complete flip-flop and proves to be right-wing freedom lovin American, defending freedom and deomcracy, world wide of necessary, then the press will not have to attack him. The left love the left, and O stays left then the press will love him. I not see the press attacking him just because he is the POTUS.

440 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:19:14pm

re: #423 vbspurs

Did you see his Baracommercial last night? The man was talking of his mother like someone might be describing going out to buy groceries. He doesn't emote at all.

I will say this for Bill Clinton, his BS was at least sugarcoated. Barack Obama's BS about having "Kansas values" is given with a deadpan stare. It's chilling.


I felt complete empathy for the woman who was running out of "snacks" for the kids.

/I hate running out of Reese's Pieces. Vote Barack.

441 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:19:52pm

re: #310 buzzsawmonkey

If that were true, they would have said so at the beginning.

Just as they would have said at the beginning that they had some sort of confidential agreement, if they'd actually had one. But they waited several days to come up with that, which indicates that they are lying.

They have it and are holding it.

I don't have a link back to the original story from April, but I believe it contained the statement that they had the tape. Maybe they don't want to admit that they fudged a little bit, and don't actually have a copy (anymore).

442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:19:55pm
443 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:14pm

re: #423 vbspurs

Did you see his Baracommercial last night? The man was talking of his mother like someone might be describing going out to buy groceries. He doesn't emote at all.

I will say this for Bill Clinton, his BS was at least sugarcoated. Barack Obama's BS about having "Kansas values" is given with a deadpan stare. It's chilling.

I think you're onto something. He is not what he appears to be; if you compare what he's really done (e.g., he barely gave to charity until recently, spent his early years seeking out Marxists, etc.), to the personna he's crafted, there is a serious disconnect there. I think the man is dangerous, I honestly do.

444 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:15pm

re: #439 A Kiwi Infidel

Unless O does a complete flip-flop and proves to be right-wing freedom lovin American, defending freedom and deomcracy, world wide of necessary, then the press will not have to attack him. The left love the left, and O stays left then the press will love him. I not see the press attacking him just because he is the POTUS.

The press will remain silent until they come for the press.

445 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:15pm

re: #433 lawhawk

Corsi has gone off the rails as a conspiracy kook. He's a 9/11 troofer.

Oh, we crossposted.

BTW, Philip J. Berg is one too. And Andy Martin is allegedly an anti-semite. I don't like any of this -- and will not believe anything they tout.

David Freddoso is the guy for me.

446 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:24pm

re: #399 faraway

Is it time to start making "Impeach Obama" signs?

First let him lose the Presidential election.

After all the details of his seedy connections, illegal fundraising, and intimidation leak out AFTER the election, if he subsequently gets impeached from the US congress (or voted out), that's just icing on the cake.

447 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:29pm
448 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:20:57pm

re: #428 jcm


JCM.. If I could ding you up 20 points, I'd do it.

Well said!

449 Daryl Herbert  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:00pm

The LAT says it promised not to release the video.

The LAT never promised not to tell us what Barack Obama said.

The LAT never said that releasing a transcript of Obama's remarks would put their source in jeopardy.

Tell the LAT to release a transcript, immediately!

450 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:02pm

re: #399 faraway

I've said before that he shouldn't get a "honeymoon" from the voters. Oppose everything that he does. Give him not even a minute of peace. You know, how it's been for Bush his entire administration.

451 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:05pm

re: #440 Allah al Fubar

I felt complete empathy for the woman who was running out of "snacks" for the kids.

/I hate running out of Reese's Pieces. Vote Barack.

She screwed herself out of a place at the table and should shut up. FYI between the wife and I we had 5 kids and sometimes the snacks were pretty low on the budget priority.

452 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:25pm

re: #311 debutaunt

Skeletor stands there like some reptilian lady justice, balancing out everything for us.

Don't disrespect reptiles. Especially her. Hope no one heard you.

453 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:25pm

re: #412 Spenser (with an S)

MND links= WND links


I agree there are some weirdo articles, but do you throw out the baby with the bath water? The article by David Kupelian is well worth a read. Obama is poised to become the next POTUS and, if he does, you will all suffer the consequences. Down-dings will not alter the truth of this comment.

454 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:21:58pm

re: #423 vbspurs

No I did not watch it because it was at least partially paid for by illegal offshore donations and I will be damned if I'll be a party to the selling out of my country.

re: #426 Athos

Well if Obama does not believe they are evil he certainly cannot detect something that is there.

IMHO.

BBL.

455 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:22:03pm

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"There's no basement in the Alamo!"

No Texan wears a hat in the Alamo...but that's a funny movie.

456 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:22:15pm

re: #447 buzzsawmonkey

Rhesus pieces? What are you doing to those poor monkeys?

Ever see the movie Fargo? Remember the wood chipper?

457 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:22:30pm

Anybody see the pro-Obama ad put out by ACORN? I don't have the link, but wowie.

458 Esther  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:22:32pm

The source would be in jeopardy from whom?

Obama? Khalidi? One of the other participants?

459 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:22:34pm

re: #441 Son of the Black Dog

The link is here...Quote from article: "The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times."

460 oh_dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:08pm

Can someone pass me this Ass Clown's e-mail address? I have only one question...

Dir Sir,

How is it possible that a video tape can reveal someones identity?

Witnesses testify in court all day long against some very dangerous people. Sometimes at great risk to their safety and yet accommodations are made by the law and courts to ensure a witnesses protection.

Is the LA Times unable or unwilling to make such accommodations?

OK, two questions.

461 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:13pm

re: #438 vbspurs

Indisputably true that Corsi is a troofer.

462 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:22pm

re: #438 vbspurs

Is it true that Jerome Corsi is a Truther? Because that's a deal-breaker for me, about anyone.

It's worse than that. Corsi has also appeared more than once on the white supremacist radio show "Political Cesspool," a favorite hangout of David Duke and other disgusting racists.

463 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:29pm

IF, as a 2nd-hand source says his friend saw on the video, the video shows 0bama doing some Islamic religious act (with the group), then it makes sense that the LATimes will not release the video.
Not ever.
No amount of 0bama applauding slams against Israel will cost him enough votes to lose the election, but that type of act would.

464 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:47pm

re: #447 buzzsawmonkey

Rhesus pieces? What are you doing to those poor monkeys?

I have a dachshund named Reese. You can figure out what we call his number two.

465 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:23:51pm

re: #443 capitalist piglet

I think you're onto something. He is not what he appears to be; if you compare what he's really done (e.g., he barely gave to charity until recently, spent his early years seeking out Marxists, etc.), to the personna he's crafted, there is a serious disconnect there. I think the man is dangerous, I honestly do.

This is what I pray will ultimately make Americans vote for McCain. Look, the truth is that Biden, McCain, Palin...they are all knowable people. We've seen their kind before. We know what to expect, good bad or ugly. The same would be true of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, BTW.

But Barack Obama is not even like Bill Ayers -- Ayers makes no bones about his goals. He wants to radicalise American youth, and bring down the American way of life.

But Barack Obama? What does he stand for?

466 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:24:08pm

re: #411 cblesz

Not all my pics got through (sent from Blackberry)...but this guy has some pics and video...

[Link: www.mererhetoric.com...]

Thanks for that!

467 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #433 lawhawk

Corsi has gone off the rails as a conspiracy kook. He's a 9/11 troofer.

Not to mention his ranting over the NAU and Amero.....

468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:24:28pm

re: #464 redstateredneck

I have a dachshund named Reese. You can figure out what we call his number two.

tootsie rolls?

469 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:24:33pm

re: #402 vbspurs

I already have posed this question to a liberal friend. She countered by asking if Todd Palin would pass one, having been a member of a secessionist party. I told her, he sent his boy to fight in Iraq for America. Is that patriotic enough for you?

You can imagine her reaction.

Well, actually, I can imagine more than a few. So, how did she react?
;)

470 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:24:54pm

re: #450 Iron Fist

I've said before that he shouldn't get a "honeymoon" from the voters. Oppose everything that he does. Give him not even a minute of peace. You know, how it's been for Bush his entire administration.

Obama Lied!

471 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:24pm

It is so sad that the party who has patented the Freedom of Speech as being an 'us only' right...is now so happy with censorship and suppression of information.

472 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:28pm

re: #468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

tootsie rolls?

Smartass!
:D

473 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:29pm
474 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:31pm
475 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:33pm

re: #423 vbspurs

D

id you see his Baracommercial last night? The man was talking of his mother like someone might be describing going out to buy groceries. He doesn't emote at all.

I will say this for Bill Clinton, his BS was at least sugarcoated. Barack Obama's BS about having "Kansas values" is given with a deadpan stare. It's chilling.

Rush had a great point on Obama's speech pattern. During that radio interview when he was espousing redistribution he did not stutter or "Um" at all. It was smooth and seamless. He was among friends and had no fears about letting his real feelings out.

476 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:44pm

re: #470 faraway

Obama Lied!

Kos cried?

477 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:54pm

re: #462 Charles

There must be a cross-over gene associated wtih Troofers & Neo-Nazis, Alex Jones being exhibit A.

478 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:25:58pm

re: #470 faraway

Water is wet. Night is dark. More news at 10:00.

479 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:01pm

re: #332 vbspurs

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

John McCain, the Peyton Manning of politics.

480 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:04pm

re: #465 vbspurs

This is what I pray will ultimately make Americans vote for McCain. Look, the truth is that Biden, McCain, Palin...they are all knowable people. We've seen their kind before. We know what to expect, good bad or ugly. The same would be true of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, BTW.

But Barack Obama is not even like Bill Ayers -- Ayers makes no bones about his goals. He wants to radicalise American youth, and bring down the American way of life.

But Barack Obama? What does he stand for?

I absolutely agree. I often find myself thinking, "Who is this guy?"

481 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:05pm

re: #462 Charles

...when asked about these appearances, Jerome Corsi stated that "David Duke is a professor, and just a guy in his neighborhood. Mr. Duke does not work for me".

/

482 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:10pm

I am still waiting for my response from the LAT. I emailed them as soon as Charles put up the link.

483 hailing frequencies open  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:15pm

Wow! Looks like there are more people at the protest than there are in the entire LATimes' subscriber base!

484 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:18pm

re: #462 Charles

It's worse than that. Corsi has also appeared three times on the white supremacist radio show "Political Cesspool," a favorite hangout of David Duke and other disgusting racists.

Oh no. That's it. I'm sorry if he discovers that Barack Obama is the son of Sam himself -- Corsi may do so, but not with me anywhere around him, backing him up.

Thanks for the heads up...

485 USA  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:33pm

So ..... we could wind up with a POTUS who could be blackmailed "pressured" during his presidency by the LA Times someone who has the tape? Good Grief!

486 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:37pm

re: #467 Athos

Not to mention his ranting over the NAU and Amero.....

President Obama should consider a NAU. The Amero would make sending money home much easier for illegal aliens, who would all be legal. And I could have access via bribery to the same kind of quality Federal services that Mexicans enjoy. Plus the price of illicit drugs would drop as security expenditures declined. Win-win, IMO.

/////

487 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:43pm

re: #474 buzzsawmonkey

Wrong question. The question is, "Who does he stand in for?"

Just look at those he hangs around with......those he sought out......by his own admission.....

488 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:51pm

At about 2:00 Pacific I'll be a call-in guest on the Dori Monson show in Seattle:

[Link: www.mynorthwest.com...]

489 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:26:57pm

re: #428 jcm


Yeah. They also expected everyone to put the good of the Country in front of their personal goals or desires. While that's a nobel sentimate, as a practical matter it is a hard level to live up to.

I don't know how they could have done better, though. It's worked tolerably well for over two centuries, with only one major civil war. When you look at what has gone on in Europe during that same time frame, I'd say we haven't done too badly.

490 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:27:08pm

re: #476 Golem Akbar

re: #470 faraway

Obama Lied!

Kos cried?

...and Biden fried.

491 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:27:34pm

re: #371 WrathofG-d

Shouldn't we really also be discussing what the heck that means? What type of jeopardy? By whom? Who exactly does Obama hang out with that would scare the pants off the LA Times. Also, seriously if someone could have this much pull over the LA Times, and most likely all other Newspapers/News sources, are we to expect it doesn't happen all the time. This puts the entire news reporting business in question as far as Wrath is concerned.

WrathofG-d

The LA Times has a duty to use "freedom of the press" to divulge that tape, for the sake of the nation, not a source.

Doing what 'they' are doing is akin to learning of a devastating attack to take place on our nation, from a "source" and NOT revealing that attack, let it happen JUST to protect a "source".

The LA Times is negating the vote I placed yesterday, by playing a silly, stupid and unpatriotic game in the hopes that a person, possibly just as detrimental to the U.S. as that "learned" attack would be.

Wrath, the earliest I learned of the press that did just what you stated.... "This puts the entire news reporting business in question as far as Wrath is concerned."....is when I was able to read and comprehend (at a fairly early age...lol) Walter Durantys' love affair with Josef Stalin.

I haven't trusted them since and that could include Fox News, at times

492 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:27:35pm

re: #479 Son of the Black Dog

John McCain, the Peyton Manning of politics.

Better than Archie, not as athletic as Eli? ;)

493 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:14pm

re: #450 Iron Fist

I've said before that he shouldn't get a "honeymoon" from the voters. Oppose everything that he does. Give him not even a minute of peace. You know, how it's been for Bush his entire administration.

I plan to follow George Carlin's advice if Obama wins:

"They say lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. Screw that! I say obstruct!"

494 SagamoreGal  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:14pm

Isn't it against the law to smoke inside of offices in California? Not that obeying the law has ever really mattered to Dems?

495 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:33pm

That 150K finders fee has to look like a nice severance check for someone in that news room.

496 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:41pm

re: #368 Ojoe

Sanity break! Towercam! Some excellent clouds over the San Gabriel Mountains of California, including a lenticular cloud (merged) at center. Pacific time zone.

And now, back to insanity.

I'm heading to San Diego tomorrow. What's the weather going to be? Anyone from that part of the country on thread?

497 guzziguy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:41pm

re: #377 vbspurs

. My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

No, but he'd qualify for the Civilian National Security Force

498 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:45pm

re: #477 Kenneth

There must be a cross-over gene associated wtih Troofers & Neo-Nazis, Alex Jones being exhibit A.

And Corsi has appeared quite frequently on that nitwit's radio program too....

499 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:28:47pm

re: #488 Charles

RE?

500 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:06pm

Obama says he shared his peanut butter sandwich in grade school. [a Muslim school BTW]

Now, Obama wants to steal my lunch money and give it to somebody in the last row.

501 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:09pm

re: #495 de La Valette

That 150K finders fee has to look like a nice severance check for someone in that news room.

That tape is now deeper in the pantry than Mrs. Robinson's cupcakes.

502 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:12pm

re: #479 Son of the Black Dog

I think we need Eli Manning from the Super Bowl to get this job done... and David Tyree to boot. That's the kind of odds we're looking at, but there's something about rooting for the underdog that resonates well with the American spirit....

503 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:20pm

Thank you Charles for not allowing delusional, unsubstatiated, crakpot theories at LGF.

Today at Atlas Shrugs, Pamala has a long post which basically concludes that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child.

I'm not joking.

I won't link to it, but go have a look if you don't believe me.

504 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #453 A Kiwi Infidel

I agree there are some weirdo articles, but do you throw out the baby with the bath water? The article by David Kupelian is well worth a read. Obama is poised to become the next POTUS and, if he does, you will all suffer the consequences. Down-dings will not alter the truth of this comment.

I won't down-ding you, just state my response. If they constantly post weirdo stories but have good stuff in between, they trash their credibility, and I can't believe the good stuff, right? We've been way down the road on this "any ally in a foxhole" argument before. Plus, Charles can throw the baby out with the bathwater if he wants, right?

505 devil in baggy pants  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:36pm

re: #460 oh_dude

Can someone pass me this Ass Clown's e-mail address? I have only one question...

Dir Sir,

How is it possible that a video tape can reveal someones identity?

Witnesses testify in court all day long against some very dangerous people. Sometimes at great risk to their safety and yet accommodations are made by the law and courts to ensure a witnesses protection.

Is the LA Times unable or unwilling to make such accommodations?

OK, two questions.

DING DING DING!

We have a winnah!

If my friend Bubba gave me the aforementioned Bigfoot tape, how would my releasing of that tape put him in "jeopardy" if nobody knows that he was the one who gave it to me?

And how fucked up is it that the LAT feels the need to "protect" their "source" from the Obama machine?

Is that not admitting that if somebody speaks out against the One, they are putting themselves in "jeopardy"?

506 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:29:46pm

re: #342 Iron Fist

I know. I'm the same way. I like Hannity, but Skeletor makes me want to break things. It could be worse, I guess. Hannity could have the Naked Mole Rat James Carville on.

Bleh.

Well, Carville can be extremely funny. Colmes, not so much.

507 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:30:09pm

A visit to the LA Times website, plus a few refreshes, reveals the beginnings of an advertiser list:

American Express
Blue Cross Blue Shield
General Motors
Mexicana Airlines
Zetabid
Imagine Entertainment

The last - Imagine Entertainment - is dominating the page today, with two ads including a top banner for Clint Eastwood's new film, "Changeling."

I have written short, polite letters to these companies expressing my opinion that the LAT has failed in it's journalistic duties, and that I will no longer be visiting their site nor supporting their advertisers until this matter is resolved to my satisfaction: a release of the tape, or a transcript or certified by an impartial third party.

I would urge others to add to the list above, and to do the same.

There's a slight Catch-22 here. You'll have to visit the LAT website to glean additional advertisers. Once there, refreshes probably won't bump up their eyeball count, if their tracking software is doing it's job. But you'll get counted at least on that first visit.

I think this is the only recourse left, and is worth pursuing no matter how long it takes to reach a more satisfactory outcome. If the tape exists - and I still have serious doubts that this is true - it can still be useful even with an ensconced Obama administration. If it doesn't - which I think is the more likely explanation - the LAT needs to be held accountable for violating journalistic ethics.

508 guzziguy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:30:18pm

re: #455 OldLineTexan

No Texan wears a hat in the Alamo...but that's a funny movie.

The Alamo? Isn't that where all those people from Tennessee went to get killed?

(guzziguy loves poking at Texans :-) )

509 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:30:42pm

re: #500 faraway

He wants to LIBERATE your lunch money and REDISTRIBUTE it to the have-nots. You have so much! It's SO UNFAIR, so he will make sure YOUR STUFF gets spread around. That's only FAIR and it will make America FEEL BETTER and SMELL BETTER!

/

510 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:30:44pm

re: #490 Kenneth

re: #470 faraway

Obama Lied!

...and Biden fried.

Biden always looks and sounds fried. He makes me think he is as pickled as Unca Teddy.

511 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:30:46pm

re: #488 Charles

At about 2:00 Pacific I'll be a call-in guest on the Dori Monson show in Seattle:

[Link: www.mynorthwest.com...]

Awesome! That's what I'm listening to right now. He's in some kind of mood today...your segment should be great!

512 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:31:22pm

re: #452 Son of the Black Dog

Don't disrespect reptiles. Especially her. Hope no one heard you.

Hellllp meeeeee.

513 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:31:31pm

re: #503 Ringo the Gringo

Thank you Charles for not allowing delusional, unsubstatiated, crakpot theories at LGF.

Today at Atlas Shrugs, Pamala has a long post which basically concludes that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child.

I'm not joking.

I won't link to it, but go have a look if you don't believe me.


Yet another reason why I enjoy LGF. Charles keeps the "unbalanced" from taking over. And keeps it humorous without getting nasty.

514 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:31:57pm

re: #503 Ringo the Gringo

I won't link to it, but go have a look if you don't believe me.

FWIW, I have a friend who meets her in NYC at blogger conventions, who says she looks like she's gone off the rails. Please delete this if considered inappropriate commentary...

515 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:31:57pm

re: #503 Ringo the Gringo

Thank you Charles for not allowing delusional, unsubstatiated, crakpot theories at LGF.

Today at Atlas Shrugs, Pamala has a long post which basically concludes that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child.

I'm not joking.

I won't link to it, but go have a look if you don't believe me.

Correction...The Malcolm X post at Atlas Shrugs is from Friday.

516 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:31:57pm

re: #510 FurryOldGuyJeans

Biden always looks and sounds fried. He makes me think he is as pickled as Unca Teddy.

Sort of reminds me of a failed tv evangelist or a real seedystrip club owner.

517 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:32:05pm

re: #491 Elcid

I attended a speech a long time ago with Thom Friedman where he explicitly stated that news sources do not report accurately about the Middle East (and similar areas) because they have been warned in clear terms that if they report something that the Dictators and Terrorists do not like, they will at best lose access, and at worst be murdered. He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

518 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #500 faraway

Obama says he shared his peanut butter sandwich in grade school. [a Muslim school BTW]

Now, Obama wants to steal my lunch money and give it to somebody in the last row.

Nah - he took the Rich kids peanut butter sandwich, cut it in half, then cut one of the halves into quarters and gave it to rich kid and 3 poor kids. He then ate 'his' half. He was full. The rich kid and 3 poor kids remained hungry.

519 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:32:55pm

re: #510 FurryOldGuyJeans

Biden always looks and sounds fried. He makes me think he is as pickled as Unca Teddy.

Biden really fried!

520 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:25pm

re: #517 WrathofG-d

I attended a speech a long time ago with Thom Friedman where he explicitly stated that news sources do not report accurately about the Middle East (and similar areas) because they have been warned in clear terms that if they report something that the Dictators and Terrorists do not like, they will at best lose access, and at worst be murdered. He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

521 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:30pm

re: #515 Ringo the Gringo

Correction...The Malcolm X post at Atlas Shrugs is from Friday.

I dont know about a Malcom X relationship, but I think Barry does share a family resemblence to the Bat Boy.

522 Cognito  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:39pm

re: #517 WrathofG-d

He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

Aw, man -- there's a community, and no one told me?

;)

523 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:42pm

Charles - what are your thoughts about Chris Simcox of the Minutemen? It seems like he has his own "community organizers" who in addition to doing good work with the border are now helping with monitoring fairness at the polls. [Link: www.newsmax.com...]

524 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:47pm

re: #516 Perplexed

Sort of reminds me of a failed tv evangelist or a real seedystrip club owner.

Now that you mention it he does makes me think of Jim Bakker, ugh.

525 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:52pm

re: #496 Soona'

I'm heading to San Diego tomorrow. What's the weather going to be? Anyone from that part of the country on thread?

We expect the first significant rain of the season beginning tonight and continuing into Saturday here in the bay area, but I don't believe its forecasted any further south than the central coast. You should escape it in San Diego.

526 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:33:58pm

re: #503 Ringo the Gringo

Unfortunately, Pamela has been off her meds for bit. She has her own version of derangement syndrome.

527 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:01pm

re: #437 maddogg

Fox News Poll, McCain pulls within 3 points.

Plus or minus 3 points? Which could make it dead even.

528 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:04pm

re: #432 vbspurs

Oh don't. It reminds me of all too many Sunday evenings with my male cousins, flinging around the rugby ball. Ouchies. ;)

Aahh - I've only ever stood on the sidelines. Rain, fog, gales, snow ... doesn't matter! Its of course best when every player is so deeply covered in mud that one can hardly make out the jerseys any longer ... I love rugby, at any level.

529 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:04pm

re: #505 devil in baggy pants

Maybe that's the whole point of this little exercise -- that is 1) If the press has damaging info on The Zero, they had better not release it 2) there are secrets which must be kept secret -- and this is to done by the press.

530 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:15pm

re: #508 guzziguy

The Alamo? Isn't that where all those people from Tennessee went to get killed?

(guzziguy loves poking at Texans :-) )

Not just Tennessee.

And Texans have been repaying that debt of honor since.

531 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #510 FurryOldGuyJeans

Biden always looks and sounds fried. He makes me think he is as pickled as Unca Teddy.

That is impossible, IMO.

532 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:37pm

re: #516 Perplexed

Sort of reminds me of a failed tv evangelist or a real seedystrip club owner.

When I think of Biden, I think of Romney for some reason.

Same slick-back hair, and let me speak to my manager used car salesman demeanour (which Biden's dad was, no offence to anyone here who is. We all need to make a buck). ;)

533 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:38pm

re: #489 Iron Fist

Yeah. They also expected everyone to put the good of the Country in front of their personal goals or desires. While that's a nobel sentimate, as a practical matter it is a hard level to live up to.

I don't know how they could have done better, though. It's worked tolerably well for over two centuries, with only one major civil war. When you look at what has gone on in Europe during that same time frame, I'd say we haven't done too badly.

The did a phenomenal job. What they did has never been equaled. They understood the temptation of corruption all too well. Where we've strayed is allow a permanent political class to develop. Where there was supposed to be a citizen legislature, serving his country for a brief time we've come to tolerate and accept the notion of a political class. They had no way of anticipating the depths of corruption we are facing.

I real don't blame them.

We the people have allowed nation to drift off the path. It's not about democracy and majority so much as a failure of leadership for those who know the rightness of what the founders built. The question is can we steer back onto the path, or are we about to run into the ditch and overturn?

534 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:39pm

Australia to implement mandatory internet censorship

The government has declared it will not let internet users opt out of the proposed national internet filter.

The plan was first created as a way to combat child pronography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia.

535 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:34:49pm

re: #521 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those are his ears!

536 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:00pm

re: #522 Cognito

It is a gated community.

Sorry Cog

537 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:05pm
538 HeatherRadish  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:08pm

re: #479 Son of the Black Dog

John McCain, the Peyton Manning of politics.

The 2004 Peyton, not the 1998 or 2008 Peyton, I hope.

539 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:12pm

From AP:


Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor dismissed the complaints as a 'recycled, manufactured controversy' meant to distract voters.

'Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views,' Vietor said.

Is this a tell? Perhaps Khalidi said something particularly disgusting about Jews and Obama clapped along gleefully?

540 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:23pm

re: #483 hailing frequencies open

Wow! Looks like there are more people at the protest than there are in the entire LATimes' subscriber base!

Ha ha...I left at 11:00 and the amount of people grew to about 125 ish (give or take 10) and the crowd was growing.

541 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:34pm

re: #447 buzzsawmonkey

Rhesus pieces? What are you doing to those poor monkeys?


Well, geeze oh Petes. If you must know, it depends on the monkey. In this experiment it will be JoeBidenMonkey. When he speaks truth, we put him in a shock collar (that was manufactured by Hollywood when they made Planet of the Apes). Then, we stick him in the ObamaBidenBus and make him sit on the toilet. We deprive him of toilet paper. He is fed a steady diet of "Obama-O's" and his hair is watered twice daily. We only let him out about every two weeks before election day.

We are working on how to remove his tongue and the truth that it speaks.

542 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:35:44pm

re: #453 A Kiwi Infidel

Their "star" reporter Aaron Klein constantly plagiarizes from other sources (especially Debbie Schlussel. It's not really a reliable source.

543 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:36:26pm

re: #494 SagamoreGal

Isn't it against the law to smoke inside of offices in California? Not that obeying the law has ever really mattered to Dems?

Not only that, you can't smoke within 50ft of any entrance either.

544 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:36:34pm

re: #523 wright1

Charles - what are your thoughts about Chris Simcox of the Minutemen? It seems like he has his own "community organizers" who in addition to doing good work with the border are now helping with monitoring fairness at the polls. [Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Note that Simcox has also appeared on "Political Cesspool." Anyone who does that is dead to me.

545 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:36:39pm

re: #521 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dont know about a Malcom X relationship, but I think Barry does share a family resemblence to the Bat Boy.

Andy Martin "discovered" who Barack Obama's real dad was. Frank Marshall Davis. Even the PUMA site I was on laughed, and they are WAY fiercer than we Republicans are about Obama. They literally hate his guts.

546 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:36:42pm

re: #540 cblesz

Ha ha...I left at 11:00 and the amount of people grew to about 125 ish (give or take 10) and the crowd was growing.

Hmmm, were they carrying torches, pitchforks, tar and feathers?

547 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:37:24pm

re: #497 guzziguy

No, but he'd qualify for the Civilian National Security Force

Qualification for CNSF.
Live in mom's basement.
Cheetos stains on all clothing.
Believes completing all Halo, Doom, and Duke Nukem games without cheats is resume worthy.

548 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:37:42pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

that would suggest that the "problem" is with maintaining/preserving the source's anonymity....not "confidentiality" per se...

549 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:37:55pm

re: #496 Soona'

I'm heading to San Diego tomorrow. What's the weather going to be? Anyone from that part of the country on thread?

It's cooling off a little bit here. Supposed to be in the low 70s with scattered cloudiness. Might have some scattered showers on Sat.

550 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:03pm

re: #540 cblesz

Ha ha...I left at 11:00 and the amount of people grew to about 125 ish (give or take 10) and the crowd was growing.

Hmmmmm, just in time for the lunch hour crowd. Maybe this thing will have "legs" after all.

551 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:10pm

re: #547 jcm

Qualification for CNSF.
Live in mom's basement.
Cheetos stains on all clothing.
Believes completing all Halo, Doom, and Duke Nukem games without cheats is resume worthy.

I haveta change my resume now?

552 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:11pm

re: #539 akgoldrush

Is this a tell? Perhaps Khalidi said something particularly disgusting about Jews and Obama clapped along gleefully?

This is what Gretchen Carlson said on F&F today. It's not just about what was said, but about demeanour.

Who laughed at what, who clapped at what, or frowned, or looked uncomfortable. I am a writer, but I tell you, visuals are everything.

553 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:33pm

re: #517 WrathofG-d

I attended a speech a long time ago with Thom Friedman where he explicitly stated that news sources do not report accurately about the Middle East (and similar areas) because they have been warned in clear terms that if they report something that the Dictators and Terrorists do not like, they will at best lose access, and at worst be murdered. He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

Are you referring to Friedman of the NYT, Wrath? G-d, you can't trust anything coming out of his mouth! Ever see him the documentary where he's speaking with high school students in the Middle East (can't remember KSA or UAE)? What an asskisser. Couldn't even stand up to these young boys. I lost all respect for him when I saw that.

Journalists could write whatever they wanted about any ME tyrant. If they had security concerns they could just ask that it be published without a byline. He's just a drama queen.

554 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:45pm

re: #464 redstateredneck

I have a dachshund named Reese. You can figure out what we call his number two.

Robert Wagner's clone?

555 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:49pm

PUMA on Fox - endorsing Palin

556 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:38:52pm

re: #544 Charles


Thanks. I thought you had posted about him in the past and you confirmed my fears that he is tained.

557 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:00pm

re: #462 Charles


Wow!. Well, bitch slap me back to the reality of life. I did not know that. Thanks for the links.

558 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:06pm

re: #388 redstateredneck

Daniel Pipes was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about that very thing. Could he get clearance to work for the FBI or CIA? Probably not.

Well, he couldn't get anywhere near a nuclear weapon.
So instead he gets the button.

559 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:14pm

This whole election reminds me of the classic "To Serve Man" episode of the original Twilight Zone. The aliens come to earth (their first stop is at the UN!) promising to bring peace to mankind. They start loading humans onto spaceships so they can visit their home planet and learn how to become a peaceful, prosperous race (like the aliens apparently are). But the aliens accidentally leave behind a book - and a code-breaker character deciphers the title of the book as "To Serve Man," which brings great relief to everyone, since it seems to confirm that the aliens really have the best interests of humans at heart (they are here to serve man, not harm him).

But in the climactic scene, the code-breaker finds out that the title of the book had a sinister, horrifying dual meaning - the book was actually a cookbook, and the aliens are only here to round up humans to bring them back to their planet and have them over for dinner - as the main course!

Sci-fi can be so instructive. There is a giant and frightening ruse going on in our country right now. The masses are hypnotized by the cult of Obama, who promises to bring "peace and prosperity to all," and they are like lambs being led to the slaughter.

Am I being over-dramatic? I wish I were, but I fear I'm not.

560 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:17pm

re: #500 faraway

Obama says he shared his peanut butter sandwich in grade school. [a Muslim school BTW]

Now, Obama wants to steal my lunch money and give it to somebody in the last row.

Didn't you just love the part where the 72 year old couple, whose home is paid for, the wife has diabetes (or other condition) and the husband at 72 years old must go off to work at Walmart in order to pay for her meds. How absolutely absurd. What of Social Security? What of Medicare? As if these two aren't covered? Jeez!

561 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:28pm
562 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:33pm

tainted that is...

563 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:53pm

Charles, thanks for zapping my #370. Sorry, I shouldn't have quoted.

564 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:54pm

re: #522 Cognito

Aw, man -- there's a community, and no one told me?

;)

Come on Cog, cough up the tape.

/

565 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:39:55pm

Both Simcox and Jim Gilchrist of the Minutemen have appeared several times on Political Cesspool.

That group will get no support from me.

566 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:40:04pm

Good afternoon, Lizards.

567 Karagush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:40:13pm

re: #369 gunjam

I think you are closer to the real reason here.

journalists are largely cowards, as are editors. and i study regional cultures and politics. I am surprised many others here donot see this as a glaringly obvious conclusion.

Otherwise editors are whores for circulation and the only thing that would stop them is threats of a shutdown, violence, and a big money Payoff applied all together...

which is the traditional regional way to handle it.

The Turkish/turkmen word for this kind of held property is "amanat" And it is on your honour to protect this property with your life. The price for not doing so --blood feud.

I myself hold amanat. Its serious shit.

568 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:40:32pm

re: #553 Irene NYC

Yes, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times.

Drama queen or not, I believe his statement. I don't think there is any journalist alive today that would put his or her life, or job, on the line for a story, especially one that benefits the U.S.

This is no excuse, just a statement-of-facts.

569 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:40:48pm

re: #555 faraway

PUMA on Fox - endorsing Palin


I almost wish they would keep it a secret, then SURPRISE!

570 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:40:51pm

re: #503 Ringo the Gringo

Thank you Charles for not allowing delusional, unsubstatiated, crakpot theories at LGF.

Today at Atlas Shrugs, Pamala has a long post which basically concludes that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child.

I'm not joking.

I won't link to it, but go have a look if you don't believe me.

WTF?

571 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:41:15pm

re: #558 Son of the Black Dog

Well, he couldn't get anywhere near a nuclear weapon.
So instead he gets the button.

The good thing is, IIRC my nuclear protocols correctly. Besides POTUS one other administration official confirms release authority and a member of the JSC must concur.

572 opnion  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:41:41pm

re: #527 midwestgak

Plus or minus 3 points? Which could make it dead even.


Throughout the primaries, Obama had a bigger % up on Hillary in the polls than the actual vote.

573 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:41:44pm

re: #546 Perplexed

Hmmm, were they carrying torches, pitchforks, tar and feathers?


No...the guy who seemed to be organizing it made it clear that we would not act all loopey like the left crazies do...

574 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:42:24pm

Here are two videos of interviews Sarah Palin did with Charlie Rose, whihc have not been widely seen.

from October 12, 2007 and Sept 6, 2008

She's open, smart, articulate and sure of herself.

575 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #573 cblesz

No...the guy who seemed to be organizing it made it clear that we would not act all loopey like the left crazies do...

Damn. You mean I have to leave my giant paper mache head at home?

576 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:42:31pm

re: #544 Charles

I thought Simcox had split with the Minutemen. Didn't he endorse Kerry in '04? Or am I thinking about another Minuteman?

577 Cognito  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:42:44pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

I'm hesitant to wade into all this, since some folks will comb through my comments looking for imagined meaning, but Buzz if I understood Weitman's emails correctly, in each he spoke first about this specific case, and then about confidentiality in general.

The bit about jeopardy seemed, pretty clearly I thought, to address the general: "That is what you’d want, I would think: protection of a source in return for getting the underlying information."

Just a though.

578 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:43:24pm

Florida
Ohio

McCain better turn this around like now.

/he cannot win without both these States, period

579 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:43:32pm

re: #568 WrathofG-d

Yes, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times.

Drama queen or not, I believe his statement. I don't think there is any journalist alive today that would put his or her life, or job, on the line for a story, especially one that benefits the U.S.

This is no excuse, just a statement-of-facts.

I give you Michael Yon

580 HeatherRadish  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:43:39pm

re: #571 jcm

The good thing is, IIRC my nuclear protocols correctly. Besides POTUS one other administration official confirms release authority and a member of the JSC must concur.

Isn't he promising to reduce the nuclear arsenal? Part of that hopey-changey-peacey stuff.

Not that he's kept any of his promises thus far...

581 right_in_canada  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:43:53pm

re: #34 bulwrk

Laugh now aholes you'll be waiting on me at Starbucks a few months from now,repeat after me would you like room for cream sir?


Ohh, I got some cream for those asshats alright ! :-D

582 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:17pm

re: #553 Irene NYC

Are you referring to Friedman of the NYT, Wrath? G-d, you can't trust anything coming out of his mouth! Ever see him the documentary where he's speaking with high school students in the Middle East (can't remember KSA or UAE)? What an asskisser. Couldn't even stand up to these young boys. I lost all respect for him when I saw that.

I saw it on that cable channel, Discovery Times Channel.

He approached a classroom of well-spoken kids in the Middle East (if memory serves, Bahrain or Kuwait). I recall one girl, wearing her hijab and jeans, was bitterly asking why Americans act as if their own people are worth more than her people are. Friedman had a lame response.

But he did say one thing which was true, even if when he said it, they looked unconvinced. When asked about racial profiling in America, he said they do so about "Muslim-looking people" in airports, etc. because of the immediate threat posed by Islamic terrorists around the world. If 19 blond, blue-eyed Norwegians were the 9/11 hijackers, and not 19 Arabs, we would be targetting people like that.

583 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:20pm

re: #573 cblesz

No...the guy who seemed to be organizing it made it clear that we would not act all loopey like the left crazies do...

Yes, but we could hope for the villagers storming the castle moment. Sigh

584 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:38pm

re: #572 opnion

Throughout the primaries, Obama had a bigger % up on Hillary in the polls than the actual vote.

Everybody body read this sentence! :)

585 rusty_armor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:43pm

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Yep. It just might . . .

586 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:48pm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on the campus of University of Washington.A man was badly burned after apparently dousing himself in gas and lighting hi

mself on fire Thursday afternoon in the middle of busy Red Square on the University of Washington campus,.....
587 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:44:57pm

Kudos to Charles for keeping LGF free of the wackos, troofers, white supremacists, etc.

That stuff is repulsive, ignorant, and evil....plain and simple.

588 jamie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:45:05pm

If McCain winds up losing, he'll probably have a bunch of his incompetent staffers to blame for it. Check out current moron Michael Goldfarb. There are few campaign mistakes worse than trying to make an attack but swinging and missing.

589 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:45:17pm

'Twas the night before elections
And all through the town
Tempers were flaring
Emotions all up and down!

I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV
Tired of political crap.

When all of a sudden
There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window
Saw Obama and his boys

They had come for my wallet
They wanted my pay
To give to the others
Who had not worked a day!

He snatched up my money
And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink

He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!

" On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi"
He screamed at the pairs!

They took off for his cause
And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!

So I leave you to think
On this one final note-
IF YOU don't WANT SOCIALISM
GET OUT AND VOTE!
!

590 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:45:31pm
591 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:45:36pm

re: #517 WrathofG-d

I attended a speech a long time ago with Thom Friedman where he explicitly stated that news sources do not report accurately about the Middle East (and similar areas) because they have been warned in clear terms that if they report something that the Dictators and Terrorists do not like, they will at best lose access, and at worst be murdered. He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

Right - so would that mean, in regards to the source of the tape and its security, that B0 has been palling about with people who behave like you describe?

And would that not be a good argument for undecided voters: do you want someone in the White House who might be blackmailed in this way. as another Lizard already asked above?

592 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:14pm

re: #568 WrathofG-d

Yes, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times.

Drama queen or not, I believe his statement. I don't think there is any journalist alive today that would put his or her life, or job, on the line for a story, especially one that benefits the U.S.

This is no excuse, just a statement-of-facts.

Wrath, seriously, they could just publish without a byline. But Friedman is so in love with himself that he probably couldn't bear the idea of publishing without his name on the article.

And I take serious issue with your statement about no journalist alive putting their life on the the line for a story. I happen to know at least one very, very well.

And that's just a statement of fact.
;)

593 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:18pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Florida
Ohio

McCain better turn this around like now.

/he cannot win without both these States, period


You cannot assess on averages. McCain has been up and down in the past 2 weeks in both states. And that is in a world of corrupt polling.

Do not let your heart be troubled, he has more support than you think.

594 alexknyc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:34pm

Wasn't the Tribune Company (owner of the LA Times) the one who went to court to get Jack Ryan's sealed divorced papers made public?

595 Piglet-U93  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:44pm

Another significant known Hillary supporter voting for McCain/Palin was just interviewed by Cavuto (FNC).

Her reasons: McCain/Palin are country first and bipartisan with a track record of reform. Plus, she was upset at the Obama campaign and Newsweek for putting Sarah down for being "one of those folks".

Cavuto said her arguments were sound.

McCain/Palin 08

596 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:47pm

re: #572 opnion

Throughout the primaries, Obama had a bigger % up on Hillary in the polls than the actual vote.

I thought so too, but Michael Barone had a different take on that last night. He said that Obama under-performed in NH, but consistently received his % during the primary....meaning that if he was polling 44%, he got 44% of the vote. Barone believe that this trend would hold. He gave BHO credit for a 49% poll number and predicted a close election.

So as long as BHO stays below 50% in the polls, there is a chance.

597 right_in_canada  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:46:50pm

re: #40 Charles

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.


Ahhh, is that why the slow loading response recently?

598 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:47:14pm

re: #574 Kenneth

She's open, smart, articulate and sure of herself.

I posted on an excerpt of the interviews once. You can see her prior to her stumping persona -- which differs in that she is more sober, deeper in this setting.

She was asked who her favourite author was: she said CS Lewis. Liberals think she's a dope, but she's a voracious reader who wolfed down newspapers and books since the age of 10. Hence the glasses...

599 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:47:26pm

re: #590 buzzsawmonkey


Yep!

600 SecondComing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:47:26pm

re: #485 USA

So ..... we could wind up with a POTUS who could be blackmailed "pressured" during his presidency by the LA Times someone who has the tape? Good Grief!


Wow! And by someone of that ilk at that gathering.

601 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:47:48pm

re: #588 jamie

If McCain winds up losing, he'll probably have a bunch of his incompetent staffers to blame for it. Check out current moron Michael Goldfarb. There are few campaign mistakes worse than trying to make an attack but swinging and missing.

Good grief.

602 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:47:48pm

re: #559 stanleymberg

This whole election reminds me of the classic "To Serve Man" episode of the original Twilight Zone. The aliens come to earth (their first stop is at the UN!) promising to bring peace to mankind. They start loading humans onto spaceships so they can visit their home planet and learn how to become a peaceful, prosperous race (like the aliens apparently are). But the aliens accidentally leave behind a book - and a code-breaker character deciphers the title of the book as "To Serve Man," which brings great relief to everyone, since it seems to confirm that the aliens really have the best interests of humans at heart (they are here to serve man, not harm him).

But in the climactic scene, the code-breaker finds out that the title of the book had a sinister, horrifying dual meaning - the book was actually a cookbook, and the aliens are only here to round up humans to bring them back to their planet and have them over for dinner - as the main course!

Sci-fi can be so instructive. There is a giant and frightening ruse going on in our country right now. The masses are hypnotized by the cult of Obama, who promises to bring "peace and prosperity to all," and they are like lambs being led to the slaughter.

Am I being over-dramatic? I wish I were, but I fear I'm not.


I think you are spot on.

603 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:04pm

re: #580 HeatherRadish

Isn't he promising to reduce the nuclear arsenal? Part of that hopey-changey-peacey stuff.

Not that he's kept any of his promises thus far...

Yeah, well he'll find out it will take years to really do that, Pentax can only handle so many warheads. The military will find a way to drag there feet, they know what's really in the woods, even if OBambi pretends the only thing out there is Thumper.

604 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:18pm

re: #577 Cognito

Let's be honest though. Had this not fit into their line of thinking, and supported their desired result, they would have been less concerned with protecting the source of the video. Yes or no?

ie: had this been a video of McCain hanging with David Duke, during a Klan rally, and the person who gave it to the LA Times requested that they please not publish the video concerning such , do you honestly believe they wouldn't have published the klan video?

605 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:19pm
606 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:31pm
607 Clutch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:36pm

re: #103 WrathofG-d

Here's something along the same lines, courtesy of Boortz.

I hate that song and was never very fond of John Lennon or The Beatles (not proggy enough for me...)

608 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:40pm

Bye everyone... I am off for vacation... Vote for McCain, I already did...

I'll be back on 11/11.

609 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:40pm

re: #514 vbspurs

She went off the rail when Charles and the majority of LGF posters refused to join her in her support for VB and the other nationalist groups.

610 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:45pm

re: #560 unrealizedviewpoint

Didn't you just love the part where the 72 year old couple, whose home is paid for, the wife has diabetes (or other condition) and the husband at 72 years old must go off to work at Walmart in order to pay for her meds. How absolutely absurd. What of Social Security? What of Medicare? As if these two aren't covered? Jeez!

They leave out the part where the couple can't afford the $500/month property tax payments and get the house repo'd by the local government.

611 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:51pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Florida
Ohio

McCain better turn this around like now.

/he cannot win without both these States, period

Looks like FL needs to be reminded that they were only given .5 votes per delegate at the DNC, and that was only after prostrating themselves at the feet of The One.

612 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:48:52pm

re: #565 Charles

Both Simcox and Jim Gilchrist of the Minutemen have appeared several times on Political Cesspool.

That group will get no support from me.

Is it possible that they, Simcox and Gilchrist, wanted to get the 'word out' about what is going on, and in their hastiness, were willing to use whatever outlet to get their 'news' out into what they thought would be a bigger pool without knowing the backgrounds of who was offering to be that 'instrument'?

As a rookie, I would probably flip out in excitement to get a call or something from any group and make a mistake about not vetting who I was actually talking to (But now I know to check..if by some slim chance I am ever in a situation like that). Yet...if they go back for more, by appearing more than once, they are probably being willfully ignorant and stupid...and I think I just answered my own question...

613 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:49:33pm

re: #359 eastvillageinfidel

"Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?"


Seems to be an admission that the people surrounding Obama are dangerous too.

This tape is the gift that keeps on giving.

614 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #598 vbspurs

Glad to hear you posted it. The real Palin does not fit the MSM smear which is why these videos are ignored.

615 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:50:05pm

re: #582 vbspurs

I saw it on that cable channel, Discovery Times Channel.

He approached a classroom of well-spoken kids in the Middle East (if memory serves, Bahrain or Kuwait). I recall one girl, wearing her hijab and jeans, was bitterly asking why Americans act as if their own people are worth more than her people are. Friedman had a lame response.


That may have been part of it, but the part I was thinking about (UAE now that I think about it) had no girls, absolutely NONE. And the boys were all decked out in their white thobes. Absolutely no blue jeans, etc.

616 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:50:35pm

re: #560 unrealizedviewpoint

Didn't you just love the part where the 72 year old couple, whose home is paid for, the wife has diabetes (or other condition) and the husband at 72 years old must go off to work at Walmart in order to pay for her meds. How absolutely absurd. What of Social Security? What of Medicare? As if these two aren't covered? Jeez!

Hey now, my WalMart greeter is named Joe. He loves his job, and I love walking in every other day and saying, "Hey, Joe!". He has been working there for 12 years (or since I moved into this town). He doesn't look dejected. He hands me my cart and makes sure the wheels are working right and that they don't make obnoxious noises as they roll down the aisles.

I bet he likes being a WalMart greeter because it would suck to be retired and stuck in the house all gat danged day.

/get over it, Barack.

P.S.: Wal Mart Greeters are well trained, and also serve as the front line to alert store security of potential gangs, shoplifters and criminals. They are trained to examine folks from head to toe before they get through those second automatic opening doors. Let's not even go there about the guy that takes in the carts from the parking lots. Our Seasoned Citizens do a great job, they love the work, and I thank them for watching out for us Wal Mart shoppers.

And here's a shout out for the "cart guys" in the parking lots. Trust me. They are all well trained, extremely inconspicuous, well spoken, vetted, and knowledgeable when it comes to threats.

Ever been robbed at a Wal Mart? No? Why am I not surprised.

617 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

I thought Simcox had split with the Minutemen. Didn't he endorse Kerry in '04? Or am I thinking about another Minuteman?

re: #586 jcm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on the campus of University of Washington.A man was badly burned after apparently dousing himself in gas and lighting hi

Wow. One of the first Web sites I visited on a regular basis, back in the mid '90s, was the Red Square webcam, because it was so cool.

618 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:51:31pm

re: #428 jcm

The founders made one error setting all this up. They expect those involved in public service to have honor, to do their duty.

The Constitution doesn't anticipate the dishonorable doing the corrupt to influence elections.

The founders didn't anticipate the rise of political parties. They expected the electors to be the best men from each state and those men to come together and select a competent and honorable individual to preside over the nation. Not the winner of a number of statewide popularity contests.

/I'll gracefully accept correction from someone with more knowledge of history than I have.

619 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:51:34pm

re: #609 Bubblehead II

She went off the rail when Charles and the majority of LGF posters refused to join her in her support for VB and the other nationalist groups.

Ah, thanks. I didn't keep up with any of that but I did excise VB/JB, heh, from my blogroll.

620 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:51:49pm

re: #579 DeafDog

Fair enough, but Yon doesn't work for a major newspaper, tv channel, etc.

621 Cognito  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:51:54pm

re: #590 buzzsawmonkey

No, they are not protecting a source. They are merely trying to confuse sitting on evidence with protecting a source, because people have become accustomed to giving journalists a pass for protecting a source.

The Times published a story based on the tape, and referencing the tape. Therefore they have outed the fact that they have the evidence.

Nobody is asking them to reveal who gave it to them--i.e., the source. Why the source should be fearful if the event was aboveboard is a legitimate, but collateral issue--but the source need not be revealed, merely the tape.

I didn't say anything about them protecting a source -- I just noted that the 'jeopardy' bit seemed to be addressed to the general, not this specific case.

622 jbolty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:52:18pm

FWIW, here is what I sent to Weitman which generated his response to me. I have since sent the whole email trail to charles but there is nothing more interesting in it.

I am interested in the ethics of why the LA times is in the tank for Obama. It is dangerous to have the news media as a mouthpiece for one party. The press gets special treatment in the constitution so it can be a watchdog, not a lapdog.

cheers

623 Judge Bean  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:52:24pm

re: #62 Charles

Charles,

Has anyone thought of asking these guys for a TRANSCRIPT? I do not have the e-mail address of this knucklehead at the LA Times.

624 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:52:28pm

Weitman's message to jbolty contains a typo, which I have decrypted below.

To break that agreement might put the source sores of the tape in jeopardy.

/it's still about content

625 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:52:49pm

Scarily relevant song from the '80s:

626 newdad49  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:52:57pm

How about the complete transcripts, why cant that be released? All together now.. TRANSCRIPT, TRANSCRIPT, TRANSCRIPT,

627 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:01pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Double plus ungood. The graph shows leaners breaking to Obama, which is bad for McCain.

628 HeatherRadish  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:06pm

re: #603 jcm

The military will find a way to drag there feet, they know what's really in the woods

Thank God somebody does. :)

629 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:10pm

re: #533 jcm

Good question. I think that we've been in perilous waters since the end of the Reagan Administration. Bush the Elder was completely out of touch with the Republican base, and they left him to vote for Perot almost to a man. Clinton was a bad President, but he was President during a period when it at least seemed to be safe. The economy was going like gangbusters, and it would have taken monumental stupidity to derail it. I don't know, something on the order of trying to break Microsoft up.

Oops.

They were unserious times, and Clinton was an unserious President.

The last eight years have been some of the most serious in the life of the Republic. Not only have we faced external enemies in the Islamic threat, we have faced domestic enemies would have been willing to bring the Republic down if that were what it took oppose Bush. Now those domestic enemies may succeed in electing a Leftist President whose own loyalties to the United States are legitimately questioned.

I don't know what is going to happen. Roughly half of the Country wants to bring it all down, and replace the Republic with a more Marxist-centered State. If Obama wins, it will be a major victory for them. If the Democrats also get a filibuster-proof majority, things will get very bad, very quickly.

I know we can't give up. I've already voted. We may be able to squeak out a win. If not, maybe we'll at least be able to filibuster and block the worst of what is coming down the pike.

If we have neither option, then maybe we can at least comport ourselves with honor and dignity.

630 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:13pm

re: #559 stanleymberg

This whole election reminds me of the classic "To Serve Man" episode of the original Twilight Zone.

To Serve Man

631 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:34pm

re: #614 Kenneth

Glad to hear you posted it. The real Palin does not fit the MSM smear which is why these videos are ignored.

If you will allow, here is the link. Note the date and name: Sep 7, "Sarah Palin Waitress".

It's important because this was posted not as a rebuttal to her "$150,000 clothes", or to counter rumours she's not intelligent, but just because this was out there but ignored.

632 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:39pm

Nice to see the market go up:
DJIA 9,180.69 up 189.73 2.11%
NASDAQ 1,698.52 up 41.31 2.49%

633 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:53:45pm

re: #602 Golem Akbar

The source would be in jeopardy?
So are they insinuating that their safety would be threatened?
By who? The Obama nonadminstration?
Sounds like a backhanded admission that Obama is someone fear!

635 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:54:19pm

re: #517 WrathofG-d

I attended a speech a long time ago with Thom Friedman where he explicitly stated that news sources do not report accurately about the Middle East (and similar areas) because they have been warned in clear terms that if they report something that the Dictators and Terrorists do not like, they will at best lose access, and at worst be murdered. He added that this is a well understood matter-of-fact within the Journalist community.

To place 'self interest' and 'welfare of' their own, with ability to express in freedom their drivel for profit OVER the nations future, is a most cowardly act.

The only "respected" one that I know of was/is, Ernie Pyle. To borrow a phrase from Walter Mondale on Dan Quayle and add a play on words....'I knew Ernie Pyle, journalists, you're no Ernie Pyle'.

636 opnion  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:54:24pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Florida
Ohio

McCain better turn this around like now.
If the election comes down to Ohio, it will be litigated.
With the rampant Acorn fraud in that state the vote would have to be challenged.

/he cannot win without both these States, period

637 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:54:37pm

re: #608 tfc3rid

Have a great time!

638 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:54:52pm

re: #601 Charles

That is amazing. Why in even THAT context wouldn't the campaign say REV WRIGHT?

I could give a short list of about 3 Anti-Semites Obama hangs with.

639 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:11pm
640 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:15pm

re: #608 tfc3rid

Bye everyone... I am off for vacation... Vote for McCain, I already did...

I'll be back on 11/11.

Ciao, good luck and enjoy! I'm off too, but only for dinner. Bye guys. :)

641 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:23pm

re: #568 WrathofG-d

Yes, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times.

Drama queen or not, I believe his statement. I don't think there is any journalist alive today that would put his or her life, or job, on the line for a story, especially one that benefits the U.S.

This is no excuse, just a statement-of-facts.

Danny Pearl(z'l) did. . .only he did not know it. Until it was too late

642 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:36pm

re: #558 Son of the Black Dog

Well, he couldn't get anywhere near a nuclear weapon.
So instead he gets the button.


My,That's comforting!
/

643 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:41pm

re: #631 vbspurs

Excellent link, thanks!

644 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:55:59pm
645 krycek  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:56:08pm

I heard this on Hannity: Dick Morris thinks McCain is up 1% over Obama....and continues to trend up.

646 DisturbedEma  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:56:18pm

re: #593 wright1

You cannot assess on averages. McCain has been up and down in the past 2 weeks in both states. And that is in a world of corrupt polling.

Do not let your heart be troubled, he has more support than you think.

Go now and rest, for you are weary with much toil and sorrow. . .

647 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:56:39pm

re: #603 jcm

Yeah, well he'll find out it will take years to really do that, Pentax can only handle so many warheads. The military will find a way to drag there feet, they know what's really in the woods, even if OBambi pretends the only thing out there is Thumper.

That's Pantex the Nuclear Weapons facility in Amarillo, not Pentax, the camera manufacturer.

648 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:56:59pm

re: #634 faraway

He died before he reproduced. Survival of the fittest is proven.

649 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:57:26pm

re: #604 WrathofG-d

Let's be honest though. Had this not fit into their line of thinking, and supported their desired result, they would have been less concerned with protecting the source of the video. Yes or no?

ie: had this been a video of McCain hanging with David Duke, during a Klan rally, and the person who gave it to the LA Times requested that they please not publish the video concerning such , do you honestly believe they wouldn't have published the klan video?

o v a l t i n e ?

650 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:57:44pm

re: #544 Charles

Note that Simcox has also appeared on "Political Cesspool." Anyone who does that is dead to me.

And that's what gets me about the craptastic strategy the Right has had with regard to opposing illegal immigration. Nuts and racists go under the bus. Period. Paragraph. File-Print. Otherwise, all that happens is that the mainstream person who would like to see a doctor in the ER in less than three hours gets lumped in with neo-Nazi phukheads, and the legal and law-abiding Hispanic majority comes ripe for the liberals to pluck.

651 DeeMack  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:57:51pm

My peabrain doesn't get this whole thing either... but the reality is that there are a lot of commie bastards among us and disgrunteled hippies-in-hiding who can't let go of their "trust no one under 30" & "USA Sucks" mentality etc, that have infiltrated many positions of significance. This is their revenge. :-(

652 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:57:58pm

re: #645 krycek

I heard this on Hannity: Dick Morris thinks McCain is up 1% over Obama....and continues to trend up.

/doesn't matter unless that translates into battleground States like Florida and Ohio

653 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:58:24pm

re: #645 krycek

The electoral votes are what matters. McCain must have FL, VA, OH, and whatever W got. PA would be a nice addition. If FL and OH are in jeopardy then he's screwed.

654 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:58:34pm

re: #586 jcm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on the campus of University of Washington.A man was badly burned after apparently dousing himself in gas and lighting hi

In the latest Red Square cambot picture, you can see the police tape in the lower left-hand corner.

655 opnion  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:58:39pm

re: #588 jamie

If McCain winds up losing, he'll probably have a bunch of his incompetent staffers to blame for it. Check out current moron Michael Goldfarb. There are few campaign mistakes worse than trying to make an attack but swinging and missing.

Oh man, that was painful.

656 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:59:32pm

re: #648 Kenneth

He died before he reproduced. Survival of the fittest is proven.

Then this may be the first recorded hate crime. He was discovered with an arrow in his shoulder.

657 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:59:53pm

re: #611 CyanSnowHawk

Looks like FL needs to be reminded that they were only given .5 votes per delegate at the DNC, and that was only after prostrating themselves at the feet of The One.

The PUMAs know - and they are working their socks off!
So don't get into eeyore-mode here!

658 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:00:07pm

In danger or what? From whom?

659 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:00:28pm

re: #641 DisturbedEma

Not so much. He doesn't count in this discussion because he didn't know he was getting set up, or interviewing high value targets. He thought he was doing a simple story. He was unfortunately wrong.

He is a perfect example of a guy who shunned his background but was taught the hard way that a Jew no matter how assimilated he tries to be will always be seen as a Jew.

660 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:00:38pm

re: #652 Killian Bundy

/doesn't matter unless that translates into battleground States like Florida and Ohio

It does. It is . We'll win.


naptime

661 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:00:42pm

of

662 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:12pm

re: #657 yma o hyd

The PUMAs know - and they are working their socks off!
So don't get into eeyore-mode here!

Exactly! Don't give into Killian's tricks.

663 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:15pm

re: #619 vbspurs

It was quite loud and messy

664 krycek  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:48pm

re: #652 Killian Bundy

/doesn't matter unless that translates into battleground States like Florida and Ohio

He said state poll numbers take longer to come in therefore any state numbers that we look at now are old. But the bottom line is undecideds are breaking towards McCain it began several days ago. And nationally McCain is up 1% and continue to trend up everywhere else due to the undecideds.

665 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:52pm

The LAT leaves us no recourse but to speculate about the meeting based on the best evidence we have at hand. Let them release the tape as defense when the speculations go too far. Me? I believe it was "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" all the way. With the Ø on the podium leading the cheers. That's my story. Prove me wrong.

666 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:52pm

re: #604 WrathofG-d
I am stealing that technique. Heh.

667 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:01:53pm

Lizards,

Do you think Paul at Powerline followed the Vlaams Belang kerfluffle last year? He's coming out strongly against Belgium trying to go up against them through this police dude:
Belgium Shrugged

They don't have comments at Powerline, which is why I'm putting this here. I'll try to send an e-mail to them....

668 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:02:03pm
669 Cognito  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:02:07pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

No, not Ernie Pyle.

Just a pile.

Well, no. Every journalist isn't Ernie Pyle. But that's a bit like saying there's no general quite like George Patton.

There are some terrible, awful journalists out there.
There are a vast number of plain old journalists who do a middling job.
There are some wonderful, outstanding journalists out there.

(And, for our e-posterity: Yep, the industry as a whole is biased to the left. But it's insane to say there are no exceptions.)

670 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:02:14pm

re: #645 krycek

I heard this on Hannity: Dick Morris thinks McCain is up 1% over Obama....and continues to trend up.

Dick Morris philosphy is a by-product of Clinton's theory of 'triangulation.' His predictions are all over the map.....Predict everything so you can claim that you were right.

671 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:02:33pm

Holy crap - I can't believe that episode of the Twilight Zone is on YouTube. Nice work!

This whole campaign is starting to take on a very frightening Twilight Zone-like vibe. While Rod Serling was certainly a liberal, he was an anti-Communist who expressed a fear of totalitarianism of all stripes in his writing for that late, great show. We are living through our own nightmare right now, folks.

To anybody who sees the inherent evil in blind obedience to a charismatic leader who seduces his followers with a hypnotic speaking style, it's a real-life Halloween horror show.

672 opnion  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:02:50pm

re: #657 yma o hyd

The PUMAs know - and they are working their socks off!
So don't get into eeyore-mode here!

What is eeyore?

673 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:03:22pm

re: #649 debutaunt

LMAO!

674 vagabond trader  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:03:40pm

Just returned from some business downstate. Oh brother, one woman I actually like commented that McCain is rich therefore doesn't relate to the average American. I reminded her that the Obama, who has never held a fulltime job, isn't exactly scraping by and how about that 600 mil he spent attempting to become POTUS. For good measure I threw in the fact that Kerry, Kennedy, and FDR weren't/aren't middle class either. These Obamatons are willfully ignorant at the least and completely unbalanced at worst.

675 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:03:45pm

re: #665 Pullus Iulius

The LAT leaves us no recourse but to speculate about the meeting based on the best evidence we have at hand. Let them release the tape as defense when the speculations go too far. Me? I believe it was "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" all the way. With the Ø on the podium leading the cheers. That's my story. Prove me wrong.

I agree. Obama was on stage with a Power Point presentation.

676 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:03:49pm

re: #672 opnion

What is eeyore?

A very negative character out of Winnie the Pooh.

677 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:04:39pm

re: #657 yma o hyd

The PUMAs know - and they are working their socks off!
So don't get into eeyore-mode here!

Not in Eeyore mode at all. I bring this up every time that FL is mentioned as possibly going to The One. But I'm in San Diego, I don't think they can hear me.

678 Moe Katz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:04:41pm

re: #672 opnion

What is eeyore?

As Perplexed says; thus someone who dumps pessimism on everyone else.

679 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:05:50pm
680 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:06:14pm

re: #665 Pullus Iulius

The LAT leaves us no recourse but to speculate about the meeting based on the best evidence we have at hand. Let them release the tape as defense when the speculations go too far. Me? I believe it was "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" all the way. With the Ø on the podium leading the cheers. That's my story. Prove me wrong.


You know, that's true.

The fact that the story is just in the news may be enough to tip the balance in Florida, whichc - I think - is the only toss-up state with a significant population who might be swayed by the Israel issue.

681 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:06:29pm

re: #525 Dublin(CA)Dude

We expect the first significant rain of the season beginning tonight and continuing into Saturday here in the bay area, but I don't believe its forecasted any further south than the central coast. You should escape it in San Diego.


Thanks. It'll be my first visit to San Diego.

682 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:07:16pm

Somebody had to work that party. Waiters. Caterers. Busboys.

Offer them money.

683 vagabond trader  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:07:17pm

My little American flag pin with the yellow ribbon exploded a few libral heads today. Bwahahahahah!

684 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:07:37pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

No, not Ernie Pyle.

Just a pile.

Fer (not misspelled Southern talk, it is...lol) DAMN sure...a PILES. OH another use of the word piles, is a description of hemorrhoids.

685 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:07:42pm

re: #678 Moe Katz

As Perplexed says; thus someone who dumps pessimism on everyone else.

Yep, the character who has the bullets, gun and wants to have a crowd when he ends it all. The crowd is screaming "load the gun. Put the muzzle in your mouth and pull the trigger. Do it man." Then high five each other when it is done.

686 straitcircle  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:07:56pm

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." –Obama

Why be scared, Obama will create a military state to force people to worship him and his policies. This is a part of the Obamination plan. Get with the program peoples. Think about it, Communist China, and about 50 other little communist states did the same thing. It is so good for society they said, and Obama likes this so much he argues it is so good for this Change to be permanent in the USO. That would be The United States of Obama. We like our dictators worshiped like messiahs. Learn to make an 'O' with your hands as the hail salute to this new brave world state. With Obama's new citizen/state army you will learn to submit or get the club over the head.

687 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:15pm

re: #8 Barking Pumpkin

I will smirk and laugh as they get laid off.


___________________________
How many of the newsroom staff have been laid off so far? Have they changed the locks on the doors yet? Don't want a disgruntled ex-employee to sneak in and lift the tapes, do we?

688 JSK1121  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:16pm

I'm sure most of you know about this Republican 527 that's trying to drop bombs on The One in the next few days. Anyway, they've received about 4.5 million in donations recently and are trying to get that number higher in order to sink the USS Obama. I just gave them $50 in the hopes that I can help in some way. Perhaps some of you can support this effort as well?

The National Republican Trust

689 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:19pm

re: #683 vagabond trader

My little American flag pin with the yellow ribbon exploded a few libral heads today. Bwahahahahah!

Like vampires looking at a cross and snorting lines of garlic...

690 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:19pm

re: #492 vbspurs

Better than Archie, not as athletic as Eli? ;)

With half an offensive line, no running backs, and one wide receiver, my best image of Peyton Manning this season has been that of John Wayne standing on the wall at the Alamo, swinging his empty rifle at Santa Anna's troops.

McCain. I see him more as Sam Houston at San Jacinto, routing the unsuspecting Mexicans.

691 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:21pm
692 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:29pm

Charles coming up on 710 KIRO!

693 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:37pm

re: #661 MandyManners

of

What?

694 CommonCents  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:44pm

Charles is on the air!

695 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:47pm

re: #672 opnion

What is eeyore?

In the context here at lgf, an eeyore is someone that says they are a Republican/McCain booster and yet say Obama will win and spew all the Obama campaign talking points.

At least that is how I see it, take my definition for what its worth.

696 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:08:54pm

re: #686 straitcircle

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set,"


WHY THE HELL NOT ?

697 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #657 yma o hyd

The PUMAs know - and they are working their socks off!
So don't get into eeyore-mode here!

Agreed. Anyone can look like a genius now by being pessimistic. Fight the fight - there is always time to sulk. If BHO wins, all who are dejected can all clamor how they told us so. But I do not think, based upon a number of factors that are not being reported, that this is as unwinnable as many here think.

698 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:09:41pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Florida
Ohio

McCain better turn this around like now.

/he cannot win without both these States, period

He's gaining in Michigan, though, according to Rassmussen... quite a surprise, considering this is a solid blue state.

699 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:09:44pm
e: #665 Pullus Iulius

The LAT leaves us no recourse but to speculate about the meeting based on the best evidence we have at hand. Let them release the tape as defense when the speculations go too far. Me? I believe it was "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" all the way. With the Ø on the podium leading the cheers. That's my story. Prove me wrong.

Death to America wouldn't hurt him at all.

Now if he said "Death to Kos", then he would be dead meat.

700 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:09:48pm

Well, gee, thanks LA Times for admitting that the tape has some very damaging stuff on it and that Obama's supporters are bloodthirsty creeps who would hurt the person who gave it to you if you released it.

No surprise in any of this, of course.

701 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #686 straitcircle

Sure is KOS sounding. Jeez!

702 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:11pm

re: #691 Bubblehead II

Hey, he usually tips us off before he goes on the radio.

703 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:12pm

re: #679 taxfreekiller

The msm for 50 years now has undercut America in any way they could find, the msm has given our enemy's national security top secret data that has gotten people killed, the msm with great evil and malice aforethought aided the liars and frauds of the anti vietnam war commies Kerry/Fonda etal, to include the terrorist like William Ayers and his murdering wife.

No other evil on plant earth other than the islamic terrorist are as clear a danger to our Constitution and freedom than these knowing commie thugs of the msm.

like that only worse
as they lie about what the do

TFK, the press has done that since the Civil War. General Sherman hated the press for spreading both lies, while giving the south important military information.

704 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:24pm

Eeyore is the donkey character in the Winnie the Pooh tales. He is an eternal pessimist and sees everything under a perpetual dark cloud. Doom and gloom 24/7.

In other words, a downer.

705 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:45pm

re: #672 opnion

What is eeyore?

A pessimistic ass.

706 Moe Katz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:49pm

re: #684 Elcid

Fer (not misspelled Southern talk, it is...lol) DAMN sure...a PILES. OH another use of the word piles, is a description of hemorrhoids.

My favorite example of Southern dialect is the way "god damn" has four syllables.

707 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:10:58pm

re: #672 opnion

What is eeyore?

Eeyore is that donkey in Winnie-the-Pooh for whom eveything is always gloom and doom ...

Hillbuzz has used this to describe all those who look at the polls, wrong as they are, and simply wail and give up the fight.

Its a pretty good image to describe those who look at slanted polls and think its all over, in spite of the wealth of information about the maninpulation of polling data.
Its what the B0 campaign wants: paint a black picture so that the republicans are too dispirited to even vote.

No way!

No Eeyores!

708 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:01pm

Are the ratings buttons and icons out for everyone, or just me?

709 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:14pm

re: #678 Moe Katz

As Perplexed says; thus someone who dumps pessimism on everyone else.


You need to check out this site my friend - [Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

710 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:30pm

re: #696 mama winger

WHY THE HELL NOT ?

Depends on the national security objectives, and who set 'em, doesn't it?

I think BHO's vision of "national security" may differ from mine, and I would expect his objectives are not the same, either.

711 vagabond trader  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:30pm

re: #704 mama winger

Appropriate that he's a jackazz, mascot of the demoncrats.lol.

712 ClosetConservative  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:45pm

What's the point of having a free press when it shackles itself to one candidate?

713 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:48pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Ever been robbed at a Wal Mart? No? Why am I not surprised.


Cough. . .

[Link: www.scnow.com...]


Gang-related fight breaks out in Florence Wal-Mart
From staff reports
Published: May 11, 2008

A gang-related fight Friday night at the Super Wal-Mart on South Irby Street in Florence ended with one adult and one juvenile being arrested.
According to Lt. Brett Camp with the Florence County Sheriff’s Office, a group of 30-40 individuals were involved in an altercation that began inside the store and overflowed into the parking lot.
There were initial calls of shots fired,
but Camp said that was not confirmed.
“We never confirmed shots fired,” he said. “If there were shots fired, they were in the air. No one was shot at.”
Camp said because of the way the area is zoned, both the sheriff’s office and the Florence City Police Department had to respond to the incident.
The sheriff’s office responded because the Wal-Mart parking lot is zoned in the county, and the actual building itself is zoned in the city.
The names of the individuals that the police department arrested couldn’t be confirmed by press time Sunday.

714 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:11:55pm

re: #702 Killgore Trout

He did, why do you think I was ready for him, got started 7 minutes later than Charles said though. :-)

715 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:12:19pm

re: #708 mama winger

Are the ratings buttons and icons out for everyone, or just me?

When I'm on my office PC, they're off for me. Right now I'm on my home Mac.

716 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:12:29pm

re: #508 guzziguy

The Alamo? Isn't that where all those people from Tennessee went to get killed?

(guzziguy loves poking at Texans :-) )

Without the Tennesseans, there wouldn't be any Texas.

717 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:12:30pm

re: #693 x-wing

What?

What's the source scared of?

718 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:12:48pm

re: #698 Irish Rose

He's gaining in Michigan, though, according to Rassmussen... quite a surprise, considering this is a solid blue state.


The Dems have governed that to economic destruction. It's pure idiocy that anyone in Michigan would continue to vote republican.

719 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:12:56pm

re: #696 mama winger

WHY THE HELL NOT ?

My thoughts exactly. And they're damn good at doing it.

720 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:13:30pm

re: #695 FurryOldGuyJeans

In the context here at lgf, an eeyore is someone that says they are a Republican/McCain booster and yet say Obama will win and spew all the Obama campaign talking points.

At least that is how I see it, take my definition for what its worth.

That is a fair summation FOGJ. Don't know why I was accused of it for repeating my mantra that FL needs to be reminded that the DNC only gave them .5 votes per delegate, and only after they begged The One to count them. I think that alone should piss off every Dem voter in FL to the point that there is no way they would vote for The One. Glad to hear that the PUMAs are working it.

721 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:13:41pm

re: #710 OldLineTexan

I mean - since when has the US MIlitary not been enough to meet our national security concerns? Since when have we required an extra - military force ? ? Since when Obama ?

WTF is THAT ?

722 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:13:44pm

re: #713 looking closely

So who got robbed?

723 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:13:54pm

Hey, while Charles is away we can say or do anything. Waaaaaa.

724 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:00pm

re: #501 OldLineTexan

Even the executives need the cash, somebody has the keys and after-hours access.

725 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:19pm

re: #699 faraway

Death to America wouldn't hurt him at all.

Now if he said "Death to Kos", then he would be dead meat.

What would they do? Comment him to death?

726 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:20pm

re: #677 CyanSnowHawk

Not in Eeyore mode at all. I bring this up every time that FL is mentioned as possibly going to The One. But I'm in San Diego, I don't think they can hear me.

Heh.
My comment wasn't meant specifically for you.
Thing is - I've been looking at hillbuzz since sharmuta lnked a few stories, and I've got to say, those PUMAs rock!
They've got excellent inside information from the dem campaign, and they are determined that B0 will not win this election.

Anybody who feels down in the dumps just ought to go to that site and get a dose of optimism!

727 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:22pm

re: #691 Bubblehead II

Does that mean that we can discuss the End of Days, Abortion, Death Penalty, and how he should run his blog & he will be too busy to notice?

728 DeafDog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:41pm

re: #718 DeafDog

The Dems have governed that to economic destruction. It's pure idiocy that anyone in Michigan would continue to vote republican.

Er... I meant democratic

729 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:55pm

Monson's a good forum.
(Local, but good.)
*salute* to Monson!

730 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:14:56pm

re: #708 mama winger

Everyone. Charles is having to ration bandwidth due to the server load.

/either that or he is getting us prepared for the Ones (mis)administration.

731 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:15:11pm

re: #706 Moe Katz

My favorite example of Southern dialect is the way "god damn" has four syllables.

Moe, ya' mean like...Guh odd Dy am...LOL.

732 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:15:25pm

re: #720 CyanSnowHawk

That is a fair summation FOGJ. Don't know why I was accused of it for repeating my mantra that FL needs to be reminded that the DNC only gave them .5 votes per delegate, and only after they begged The One to count them. I think that alone should piss off every Dem voter in FL to the point that there is no way they would vote for The One. Glad to hear that the PUMAs are working it.

Democrats disenfranchised their own voters. Nothing more and nothing less.

733 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:15:26pm
734 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:15:53pm

It has just dawned on me why the economy is in the tank.

Liberals gave their last dime to their Messiah. That's $600 million out of the US economy.

735 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:17pm

re: #727 WrathofG-d

Does that mean that we can discuss the End of Days, Abortion, Death Penalty, and how he should run his blog & he will be too busy to notice?

Don't forget my personal favorite - the whole Anti-Christ thing :)

736 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:20pm

uh.oh, traffic ahead!

737 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:21pm

re: #688 JSK1121

National Republican Trust probably got my last 527 money of this campaign, unless some customer pays me between now and the election. Good, aggressive folks.

738 WalterMitty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:30pm
To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy

Ok Alex, I'll take lame excuses for $1000...

739 mich-again  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:37pm

re: #721 mama winger

I mean - since when has the US MIlitary not been enough to meet our national security concerns? Since when have we required an extra - military force ? ? Since when Obama ?

WTF is THAT ?

Maybe he wants to Nationalize all the police departments across the USA.

740 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:46pm

re: #733 MandyManners

A couple of eeyores.

I love them.

741 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:49pm

re: #488 Charles

Nice interview, well done, Charles.

742 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:50pm

Expect a traffic spike from Seattle

743 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:55pm

re: #716 Son of the Black Dog

Without the Tennesseans, there wouldn't be any Texas.

That there is purty dy am, close...lol. (signed, A Tennessean)

744 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:56pm

re: #671 stanleymberg

Holy crap - I can't believe that episode of the Twilight Zone is on YouTube. Nice work!

This whole campaign is starting to take on a very frightening Twilight Zone-like vibe. While Rod Serling was certainly a liberal, he was an anti-Communist who expressed a fear of totalitarianism of all stripes in his writing for that late, great show. We are living through our own nightmare right now, folks.

To anybody who sees the inherent evil in blind obedience to a charismatic leader who seduces his followers with a hypnotic speaking style, it's a real-life Halloween horror show.

Where do you have any info that Rod Sterling was a liberal? Please supply some proof of that statement.

Because, all I read of him indicates he was a moderate.

745 Code Red 21  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:16:58pm

Good job Charles enjoyed listening and thanks for the heads-up.

746 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:17:27pm

re: #739 mich-again

Maybe he wants to Nationalize all the police departments across the USA.

He's putting together plans for a palace guard.

747 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:17:45pm

re: #722 OldLineTexan

So who got robbed?


The point is, Walmart isn't necessarily that safe, that's all.

The parking lot guys and/or door screeners didn't stop "West Side Story" with guns from breaking out at the local Wally-world.

748 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:17:54pm

Charles, well delivered!

749 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:00pm

On various websites, liberals have admitted quite openly that they're expressing supreme optimism about the Obambi coronation because they want to convince Republicans that McCain doesn't stand a chance (so that we'll stay home on election day.)

The KOSKids have been quoted here repeatedly saying "Let's crush their spirit."

They've been counting on us staying home all along.

Eeyores on LGF are helping them (whether they mean to or not.)

I've been getting a huge kick out of the PUMAs for lighting endless fires underneath us because they believe that if we show up, Obama is toast.

I think Republicans are going to show up this year and I think McCain will win.

People talk about the Bradley effect and that it may not exist, but I think it might be the elephant in the room: the undecideds. How can they be undecided after everything that's gone on? I think they might be the ones who don't want to say they aren't voting for Obama (and that they might be mostly Democrats.)

"Undecided" doesn't necessarily mean "independent."

There's plenty of time to get upset later if Obambi wins, but for now, I think we owe to ourselves to stay optimistic.

FoxNews has a big story online about how McCain is catching up.

Our spirits should be raised rather than letting the KOSnuts crush them.

Go McCain/Palin!

750 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:12pm

re: #727 WrathofG-d

Charles may be gone but I think Stinky is still around somewhere.

/looks over shoulder

751 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:13pm
re: #721 mama winger

I mean - since when has the US MIlitary not been enough to meet our national security concerns? Since when have we required an extra - military force ? ? Since when Obama ?

WTF is THAT ?

This will be headed up by NOI. Another Million Man March is planned as a recruiting drive.

752 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:22pm

re: #738 WalterMitty

Ok Alex, I'll take lame excuses for $1000...

That would qualify for the Daily Double.

753 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:23pm

re: #708 mama winger

Are the ratings buttons and icons out for everyone, or just me?

We're all dressed up in nice shiny little green footballs - no avs so that the hamsters can keep up.
Dunno about the rating buttons - sometimes they work for me, sometimes not ...

754 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:44pm

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

Where do you have any info that Rod Sterling was a liberal? Please supply some proof of that statement.

Because, all I read of him indicates he was a moderate.

If Rod was a liberal, he was the old-fashioned kind. That guy wrote my kind of show, and the morality plays are some of my favorites.

755 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:45pm

re: #749 Adina in Judea

Bravo !

756 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:18:52pm

re: #728 DeafDog

Er... I meant democratic

LMAO!

757 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:19:18pm

re: #721 mama winger

I mean - since when has the US MIlitary not been enough to meet our national security concerns? Since when have we required an extra - military force ? ? Since when Obama ?

WTF is THAT ?


A clear display of Barack Obamas' personal mission to neuter the United States Military and our National Guard.

Of course.

758 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:19:43pm

re: #717 MandyManners

What's the source scared of?

Ah. Well there were alot of terror sympathizers there. But if that was the case, why did the person give up the tape in the first place.

/scratching head.

759 Whippet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:19:55pm

The silver lining to Republicans in this whole story is this:

The "keepers of the secrets" are always the most dangerous to those striving for the kind of power that Obama wants. They'll be the first to go...

760 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:20:23pm

re: #727 WrathofG-d

Does that mean that we can discuss the End of Days, Abortion, Death Penalty, and how he should run his blog & he will be too busy to notice?

I think Stinky Beaumont will keep his beady eye on us, no fear!

761 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:02pm

re: #716 Son of the Black Dog

Without the Tennesseans, there wouldn't be any Texas.

Or the Virginians. Sam Houston was another presidential son of the Old Dominion, the Mother of Presidents.

762 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:10pm

re: #747 looking closely

The point is, Walmart isn't necessarily that safe, that's all.

The parking lot guys and/or door screeners didn't stop "West Side Story" with guns from breaking out at the local Wally-world.

I've never been "screened". I've been greeted by an assortment of (mostly elderly) folks. If they were being touted as security, well I guess I agree with you.

However, I will note that I feel safe at Wallyworld because most Obeemers feel that they are too good to shop there, giving me a bleeding-heart lib free zone.

763 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:15pm

new thread!

764 opnion  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:17pm

re: #676 Perplexed

A very negative character out of Winnie the Pooh.


Thats the donkey right? I didn't know that eeyore was a downer.
Thanks

765 mama winger  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:18pm

re: #759 Whippet

Do you have a Whippet ?

766 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:28pm

re: #754 OldLineTexan

If Rod was a liberal, he was the old-fashioned kind. That guy wrote my kind of show, and the morality plays are some of my favorites.

Yes, he was, a much more moderate than what we call liberal now a days. He did campaign against Ronald Reagan, but you are correct about his morality plays. That's just the reason he wanted his OWN show, the Twilight Zone, so he could have artistic control over the material.

Playhouse 90 fequently censors some of his works, and he was also hounded by sponsors on that show to adjust his material.

767 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:30pm

Looks like I'm not the only one who saw the "To Serve Man" parallel in all of this:
[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

768 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:21:34pm

re: #671 stanleymberg

Holy crap - I can't believe that episode of the Twilight Zone is on YouTube. Nice work!

This whole campaign is starting to take on a very frightening Twilight Zone-like vibe. While Rod Serling was certainly a liberal, he was an anti-Communist who expressed a fear of totalitarianism of all stripes in his writing for that late, great show. We are living through our own nightmare right now, folks.

To anybody who sees the inherent evil in blind obedience to a charismatic leader who seduces his followers with a hypnotic speaking style, it's a real-life Halloween horror show.

Appropriately enough, the destruction starts in that episode when people start listening to the leader of the UN.

769 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:22:20pm

Guys - there are too many links to post here, but over at The Campaign Spot on NRO there are a number of encouraging posts about early voter turnout and what it might mean for the election. Basically, the numbers overall don't show the huge surge in first-time or youth voters that Obama has been promising; there is a slight surge, but that could be balanced by turn-out on Election Day.

So, if you want a little cheer, head on over and glance through this week's posts.

770 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:10pm

re: #753 yma o hyd

We're all dressed up in nice shiny little green footballs - no avs so that the hamsters can keep up.
Dunno about the rating buttons - sometimes they work for me, sometimes not ...

When I have spare time. I try to make a name out of your nic.

771 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:10pm

re: #761 Pullus Iulius

Or the Virginians. Sam Houston was another presidential son of the Old Dominion, the Mother of Presidents.

Sigh. I guess no one paid attention to the link I posted, or at least thought I did.

Defenders of the Alamo.

772 de La Valette[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:12pm
773 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:13pm

re: #764 opnion

Yep, the donkey.

774 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:26pm

re: #749 Adina in Judea

Interesting how their tactics to get the Republicans to surrender are same they used on the U.S. soldiers.

775 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:35pm

Bless the PUMA's!

We may not agree on every issue and I don't expect them to abandon their party wholesale after the election, but it sure is good to have them in our corner for this one.

These women are true American patriots.

776 talon_262  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:23:52pm

re: #440 Allah al Fubar

I felt complete empathy for the woman who was running out of "snacks" for the kids.

/I hate running out of Reese's Pieces. Vote Barack.

I despise libs/socialists talking about our current economic situation as being analogous to the Great Depression, all to scare the uninformed and the lazy into voting for Hopey McChange and the goodies that he's promised. That's not to say that they're aren't people in this country that aren't having hard times, but when a lot of the "poor" have stuff that were like cell phones, computers with a cable/DSL internet connection, and cable/satellite TV, along with (sometimes more than) adequate food to eat, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them and comparing them to our Depression-era forebears.

777 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:24:09pm

re: #713 looking closely

re: #578 Killian Bundy

Ever been robbed at a Wal Mart? No? Why am I not surprised.

/where the [expletive deleted] did you get that from?

778 Perplexed[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:24:41pm
779 Adina in Judea  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:24:51pm

re: #774 WrathofG-d

re: #749 Adina in Judea

Interesting how their tactics to get the Republicans to surrender are same they used on the U.S. soldiers.

Exactly right!

780 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:25:24pm

re: #538 HeatherRadish

The 2004 Peyton, not the 1998 or 2008 Peyton, I hope.

Yeah, it's been a bad season. See my post # 690.

781 Canadhimmis  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:25:28pm
# 259 Alouette
"Some deep pocket is being blackmailed with that video. By releasing the contents, the mark will have no more reason to pay up."

Possibly the Obamark ?


-

782 BBev  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:25:32pm

re: #708 mama winger

Are the ratings buttons and icons out for everyone, or just me?

They work for me

783 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:25:38pm

re: #772 de La Valette

nice knowin' ya de La Valette

784 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:26:23pm

re: #778 Perplexed

reply, no quote.

785 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:26:28pm

More "To Serve Man" parallels....eerie:
[Link: michelleanovel.blogtownhall.com...]

786 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:26:42pm
787 rawmuse  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:26:43pm

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

I know a bit about Rod Serling. He was a decorated veteran (Pacific Theater), Purple Heart, paratrooper. He was a classic Liberal, in the way that I consider myself a classic Liberal, he loved freedom, liberty, defense of the weak and helpless, individual and property rights. He dictated all of those shows to this secretary, at his pool side. If that is not the coolest thing, I don't know is.

He would not fit in the modern definition of Liberal which is more of an authoritative Leftist, denier of liberties and freedoms, and to hell with the weak.

788 Florida Lady  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:27:03pm

re: #611 CyanSnowHawk

Looks like FL needs to be reminded that they were only given .5 votes per delegate at the DNC, and that was only after prostrating themselves at the feet of The One.

Florida will go red.

789 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:27:11pm

re: #782 BBev

They work for me

Charles is working behind the scenes to increase our bandwidth, and he had them turned off for a while.

790 SunCat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:27:21pm

Now why would anybody be afraid of one of Obama's friends?

791 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:27:31pm

re: #766 Walter L. Newton

Dude, we were supposed to go to lunch. I haven't forgotten.

793 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:27:56pm

"Appropriately enough, the destruction starts in that episode when people start listening to the leader of the UN."

So true. (shivers down my spine)

794 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:28:04pm

re: #716 Son of the Black Dog

Without the Tennesseans, there wouldn't be any Texas.


_____________________________
And they helped win the Battle of New Orleans. Andrew Jackson.

795 buckykat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:28:06pm

re: #573 cblesz

I was there by myself. Wish I'd known who you were.

796 kenprice  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:28:25pm

Boycott any company advertising in the LA Times. That should get their attention real quick, and let them know that they can't screw the public.

797 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:28:39pm

re: #792 arethusa

The Obama Variety Hour last night scored only 33.5 million viewers.

How many people watched the debates?

798 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:30:14pm

re: #771 OldLineTexan

I had kin from Kentucky head down for that little dustup. Were at San Jacinto and still have distant cousins in Texas today.

799 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:30:38pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

How many people watched the debates?

The V-P debate got 70 million. The Presidential ones ranged in the 50's and 60's, IIRC.

800 Moe Katz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:30:38pm

re: #731 Elcid

Moe, ya' mean like...Guh odd Dy am...LOL.

Yep!

801 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:31:27pm

re: #798 de La Valette

I had kin from Kentucky head down for that little dustup. Were at San Jacinto and still have distant cousins in Texas today.

Here ya go. Look 'em up. Mine is James Farmer.

802 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:33:02pm

re: #796 kenprice

Boycott any company advertising in the LA Times. That should get their attention real quick, and let them know that they can't screw the public.


Anyone have a list of advertisers?
A massive, immediate, full frontal boycott to any and all of them!

Twist the LATs' arm until it squeals like a pig.
Hit 'em in the pocketbook.... hard.

803 de La Valette[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:33:28pm
804 visionar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:08pm

A question comes to mind....was this tape leaked by Hillary's team in April?

805 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:13pm

re: #794 right_on_target

_____________________________
And they helped win the Battle of New Orleans. Andrew Jackson.


+
It would have happened differently, that's for sure. The "Old 300," the first major (Caucasian) settler movement to Texas, came mainly out of Tennessee with Stephen F. Austin in 1823. Some of my ancestors were in the group.

806 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:26pm

re: #797 TheMatrix31

How many people watched the debates?

Not me. I did anything else.

807 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:40pm

re: #803 de La Valette

Its legal to carry a long arm openly. Do so, responsibly (safed and not pointing at anyone), and your voice will carry a greater distance. Do so in the company of fifty to hundred like armed fellow citizens, and the whole world will see your protest.

Yep, I know that but Charles has an issue with people suggesting things like that. He doesn't like talking to the men with no eyes.

808 Silhouette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:44pm

re: #794 right_on_target

_____________________________
And they helped win the Battle of New Orleans. Andrew Jackson.

I credit cottonbales and pirates. Arrrrgh.

809 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:34:45pm

re: #803 de La Valette

Some opinions are best held privately.

810 Meremortal  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:35:26pm

re: #798 de La Valette

I had kin from Kentucky head down for that little dustup. Were at San Jacinto and still have distant cousins in Texas today.


+
I salute your kin who were at San Jacinto. My GGGG uncle fired the first shot in that battle.

811 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:35:34pm

That's bull.
They are stalling and it will cost them in the end.

812 eon  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:37:47pm

re: #665 Pullus Iulius

Good afternoon, Lizards.

After taking a careful look at the available evidence, here's my best guess as to what's going on at the LAT.

In their determination to get The One elected, they were looking for anything that would refute a lot of people's suspicions about The One's tendencies toward "sympathizing" with people who hate America, both here and abroad. They learn of this tape of The One at a "fundraiser" and testimonial dinner for Khalidi, and figure "AH! Here's the proof that he's really The One We Have Been Waiting For- suave, debonair, and No More Obviously Anti-American Than The Electorate Will Fall For." They announce that they have this tape ( before they've seen it ) and will release it to refute all the "rumors" about The Messiah.

And then they actually get a look at it.

And find that The One is saying things that would not be considered "radical" in their newsroom, but seen by the public would not only get him defeated worse than Nixon trounced McGovern in '72, but might get him hauled up in front of the Senate for statements and/or actions in violation of his oath as a United States Senator.

And they realize, "If we release this, The One is finished. And we'll be blamed."

And immediately start launching excuses like MIRVs. Anything to avoid what they are sure will be a defeat for the "Forces of Light". Which they would be held responsible for by those same "Forces".

Seen logically, this is within the parameters of Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation which fits the available facts.

And it would explain their sudden determination to avoid releasing the tape, no matter what the cost to their reputations or credibility.

Because from their standpoint, that is the "least worst" of the alternatives they are now facing.

But as I said, this is just a guess.

cheers

eon

813 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:38:05pm

re: #801 OldLineTexan

My Aunt's big into the genealogy world and put together a book of r the family that is at least 350 pages going back to 1740's in Virginia. I will have to look it up later.

814 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:40:32pm

re: #812 eon

Don't they have a responsibility to take evidence of a crime to the authorities though?

815 BBev  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:41:15pm

re: #786 taxfreekiller

Be prepared.

If McCain/Palin win, be prepared for flag burning by the loons and worse.
That and deal making by the Democrats with McCain in years 3 and 4 .

If Obama gets the nod, be prepared to lay down your lives for your country here within.
He and the anti war Democrats will pull out of Iraq and back down any time they have the chance, they will cut the defense budget, cut the research and development (in New Mexico their guy Udall is running on cutting back or closing both Sandia and Los Alamos labs), they will over spend and we will be back to stag/flation , high interest rates, high unemployment and worse.

We must be ready to lay down in the road and block these commies,
Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schummer, etal must be un-elected.
The dumb ass Republicans will not do it so it will be up to us to go
to each of those districts, find some one, get America behind them,
get the money together, get the ass sitters off their lazy ass's and to the vote booths and get them out of our Congress and Senate. We will have to do it fast, two and four year cycles and the Senate years haul ass like the Constitution depends on it.

now comes the vote next week,
the time of talking and posting comes to and end

I hear what your saying but the best way is to run for office all of us get involved with local politics and change thing from the inside, WE CAN DO IT!

816 littleben  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:41:29pm

The source of the tape may have been Vera Baker, who fled to Martinique as she is in "jeopardy" of being pummeled by Mrs Obama.

Or, the video depicts Barack sitting at the dais next to the "guy" from the neigborhood, Bill Ayers, and flanking the honoree, the 'guy" he knows from U of Chicago, Rashid the Jidahist.

Or, the source of the tape was Ali the FBI informant, and his identity has to be protected,

817 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:42:15pm
818 stanleymberg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:44:11pm

Classic liberals believed in America and the use of American power where necessary. Serling fought in World War II and knew well the twin evils of Nazism and Communism. The Democratic Party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Scoop Jackson, Joe Lieberman, and even, to a lesser extent, Clinton and Gore (back when Gore was a hawk, not a wuss) was one I could belong to. But I don't know this Democratic party....the party of Obama is no party for me. I can't say I see eye-to-eye with the GOP on a host of issues, but at least they "get it" about our enemies in the world. The Far Left has hijacked the Democratic Party finally, and I fear it may never recover. This is now the party of radical neo-Marxists who blame America for everything that is wrong in the world. The Chomsky-ization of the Democratic Party will, in the end, be its downfall. Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Andrew Sullivan....I not only dislike the viewpoints of these people, I honestly think there's something truly evil afoot here. It's creepy, really creepy, and as much as I respect all of the Republicans who read and post on LGF, I think there's a unique perspective that people like myself (Democrats for McCain, if you will) have, based on the utter betrayal that we feel from a party we once worked for and believed in. They have turned their backs on America, turned their backs on Israel, and stabbed centrist/mainstream Democrats in the back. They will pay for this politically, in due time. Mark my words.

819 eon  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:44:53pm

re: #814 Perplexed

Don't they have a responsibility to take evidence of a crime to the authorities though?

Reporters in the past have repeatedly stood on "confidentiality" to refuse doing just that. There's an old saying in police work, "A reporter is the only thing in the world less trustworthy than a snitch (informant)."

It's not just the idea of a "scoop", anymore. It's also the profound hatred that the present generation of "journalists" has for people they still occasionally refer to by a certain porcine epithet. As far as many modern news types are concerned, it's still 1970, Woodstock and Kent State are still the issues, and cops are still The Enemy.

/personal experience

cheers

eon

820 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:45:26pm

re: #818 stanleymberg

Mark my words.

Joe? Joe Biden? Are you drinking while posting again, Joe?

/////

821 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:46:15pm

re: #814 Perplexed

Don't they have a responsibility to take evidence of a crime to the authorities though?

What if they are being threatened? Witness intimidation and all that? We are talking about terrorists here.

822 BBev  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:48:13pm

re: #818 stanleymberg

Very well said, The Democrat party left me years ago but I still agree with you and gave you an up-ding for that

823 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:49:23pm

re: #818 stanleymberg

I voted today. Did I enjoy voting? Nope. I have no taste for Al Franken being one of my senators. I have no taste for Obama being my president. Cynthia McKinney sends shivers down my spine. I held my nose and voted for the party that may do the least amount of damage to me and my family. I do so wish that there had been a block marked NONE OF THE ABOVE for many of the candidates. NOTA would have been my choice. Vote to prevent someone you really dislike from taking office.

824 talon_262  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:50:50pm

re: #716 Son of the Black Dog

Without the Tennesseans, there wouldn't be any Texas.

Damn straight!
/says a Tennessean, born and bred

825 eon  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:50:54pm

re: #821 x-wing

What if they are being threatened? Witness intimidation and all that? We are talking about terrorists here.

Yes, and audiovisual evidence of The One "collaborating" with same (if that is in fact what it is) would be grounds for him losing his Senate seat, under the Logan Act if nothing else. It would be an impeachable offense, even if he were to be elected President. His own party would have the choice of "throwing him under the bus"- or stepping in front of it themselves.

Which would tend to confirm my hypothesis, actually.

cheers

eon

826 whippet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:51:48pm

Mama,
No, Chihuahuas! Makes a lot of sense huh?

827 wiffersnapper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:55:50pm

This sounds like a job for the X-Files.

828 artdog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:57:23pm

re: #683 vagabond trader

My little American flag pin with the yellow ribbon exploded a few libral heads today. Bwahahahahah!

That's actually fascinating -- because even liberals PRETEND to have some vestige of patriotism, and they PRETEND to support the troops. What exactly did they say or do? Have they finally given up the pretense?

829 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:59:31pm
830 captain joe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:59:43pm

Window lickers?

831 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 3:01:28pm

A couple of blogs are buzzing about this, anyone have a lead?


Tuesday, 28 October 2008
REWARD: Los Angeles Times Obama Tape (Update 5)

UPDATE 5: 10/30/08. The Obama tape in the possession of the LA Times has gone missing and is presumed destroyed.

www.hydeparkhustle.com

832 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 3:01:54pm

re: #830 captain joe

Window lickers?

Paint chip eaters.

833 Throbert McGee  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 3:05:59pm
That promise means not publishing the tape even to a high level conservative, however turstworthy that person may be.

I'm surprised that this word hasn't gotten more attention -- taken at face value, it would appear to be an admission of a double standard, implying that the LA Times just might betray the "promise of confidentiality" if a highly-placed liberal (i.e., someone assumed to be in the BHO tank) wanted to see the tape.

Was this just an unintentional slip by Gary Weitman? Or could it be a small, subtle protest by an individual who privately thinks that the tape ought to be released, and resents that his job obliges him to defend the stonewalling by the LA Times?

834 yochanan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 3:08:18pm

re: #818 stanleymberg

Classic liberals believed in America and the use of American power where necessary. Serling fought in World War II and knew well the twin evils of Nazism and Communism. The Democratic Party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Scoop Jackson, Joe Lieberman, and even, to a lesser extent, Clinton and Gore (back when Gore was a hawk, not a wuss) was one I could belong to. But I don't know this Democratic party....the party of Obama is no party for me. I can't say I see eye-to-eye with the GOP on a host of issues, but at least they "get it" about our enemies in the world. The Far Left has hijacked the Democratic Party finally, and I fear it may never recover. This is now the party of radical neo-Marxists who blame America for everything that is wrong in the world. The Chomsky-ization of the Democratic Party will, in the end, be its downfall. Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Andrew Sullivan....I not only dislike the viewpoints of these people, I honestly think there's something truly evil afoot here. It's creepy, really creepy, and as much as I respect all of the Republicans who read and post on LGF, I think there's a unique perspective that people like myself (Democrats for McCain, if you will) have, based on the utter betrayal that we feel from a party we once worked for and believed in. They have turned their backs on America, turned their backs on Israel, and stabbed centrist/mainstream Democrats in the back. They will pay for this politically, in due time. Mark my words.

I am bit of a R.I.N.O. what makes me a republican in