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A Report from the LA Times Protest - Update: Times Says 'Releasing the Video Might Put the Source in Jeopardy'

Media | Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:55:41 am PDT

LGF reader ‘cblesz’ went to the protest at the LA Times building this morning, and reports that there were about 150 people there — and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:03:21 pm:

The Times has settled on their excuse now; another reader forwarded the email he received from Gary Weitman, spokesman for the Times’ parent company Tribune:

Mr. Smith,

I’m sorry you feel this way. I understand this may be frustrating to you.

Allow me to explain further. Protecting confidential sources and standing by agreements made in order to get information is a cornerstone of good fundamental journalism, and a free press. If we break an agreement with a source, we risk other sources not coming forward with information vital to the public. In this case, the tape was written about extensively and only came to light because the LA Times made a promise not to publish it or reveal its source. That promise means not publishing the tape even to a high level conservative, however turstworthy that person may be.

Despite the public pressure, it is important that the LA Times honor its agreement.

Thanks,

Gary Weitman

“Now go away and stop bothering us, peon,” he didn’t add. But he might as well have.

I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:38:36 pm:

And yet another version of the excuse, also from Weitman (courtesy of LGF reader ‘jbolty’):

I completely agree about the role of the press being a watchdog on government abuse. The LA Times, as you know, brought this story to light in the first place and described what was going on on the tape. The reporter on the story has written extensively about Barack Obama’s relationship to the Khalidi family. The reporter agreed with his source not to release the tape in return for getting acess to it.

The Times has made it clear (last night online and in today’s newspaper) that it will honor that agreement. That is what you’d want, I would think: protection of a source in return for getting the underlying information. To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy. Honoring the agreement allows the newspaper to continue to get information from other sources and assures those sources of information that they can come forward confidentially.

Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

UPDATE at 10/30/08 12:56:45 pm:

Pictures and video from the protest at Mere Rhetoric.

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:57:18am

Figures.

2 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:57:44am

Has the Civilian National Security Force broken this protest up yet?

3 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:04am
4 zach (the jew) tobias  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:17am

let them laugh...it appears the throngs of people supporting Sen. Obama will choose to stay home and "veg"...as usual.

5 mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:23am

Film at eleven?

6 redheadredstate  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:36am

Wonder if they'll be smirking and laughing on election day? They may have looks of horror and surprise...at least I hope so.

7 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:58:47am

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody got a wooden rabbit?

8 Barking Pumpkin  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:07am

I will smirk and laugh as they get laid off.

9 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:22am
and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

Laugha while you still can, monkey boys.

10 mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:59:39am

My dad was a Times editor, and I've hated them ever since.

11 somecallmetim  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:05pm

Look at the funny little people demanding fair treatment by us the press! Don't they know we know whats best for them?

12 AmericanMe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:20pm

They can laugh all the way to the unemployment line!

BASTARDS!

13 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:00:29pm

...........Till they get thier pink slip this afternoon!
Go a head and laugh! M,F'ers!

14 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:01pm

Well, when the LA Times goes down the tubes, guess who'll have the last laugh?

15 robin  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:27pm
Barack Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango found in Boston housing estate

Your text to link...

This disgusting hypocrite is spreading the wealth around?

16 Haole  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:46pm

It would be great if the GOP had a copy of the tape and dropped it like it's hot.

What now LAslimes.

/one can dream

17 zach (the jew) tobias  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:46pm

will there be any pictures or video available?

18 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:47pm

Photographs?

19 Steffan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:01:59pm

I wonder, for the sake of idle curiosity, just how many of those smirking morons will be getting pink slips before the end of the year?

The LAT is cutting their newsroom staff big time.

20 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:00pm

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

21 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:47pm

re: #19 Steffan

I wonder, for the sake of idle curiosity, just how many of those smirking morons will be getting pink slips before the end of the year?

The LAT is cutting their newsroom staff big time.


That is what I was yelling at them..."not funny when you are standing in the unemployment line"!

22 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:02:58pm
and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

I imagine that would be hard to actually see from the street, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. Not only do they consider those protesting as nothing more than mouth-breathing, racist, neo-fascist, morons, they are well aware that they have all the power in this situation.

Sometimes asking just won't get you want you want, especially when what they want is to stick it to you!

23 jiminycricket  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:07pm

Reality will wipe the smile off their faces. Their time will come. What goes around comes around for those who sell their soul. Bunch of Faustian losers!

24 .45LC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:13pm

"smirking and laughing at the protesters."

Hope that works for them in the unemployment line.

25 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:27pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Photographs?

[Link: www.webstockpro.com...]

26 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:44pm

You can laugh all the way to the unemployment line, LA Times. We will be laughing at you on November 5th.

27 Kailen  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:52pm

Is anyone surprised by this? Really, this, like so much other news, is going to be something only circulated among the right-wing news, which means - as usual - the only people who are going to hear about it are the people who already know that Senator Obama is slime. The rest of the MSM uninformed masses are going to be sheltered from this, just as they're sheltered from any negative for the Messiah. Hell, most of them don't realize how bad Senator Obama sounds off-prompt, yet still use that very trait to label President Bush as "borderline retarded".

Maybe some day the truth will get out, but we're still in the disinformation age, even with all the "alternative media" out there.

28 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like the LA Times staffers were channeling the Frenchman in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I fart in your general direction!

29 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:03:57pm

Yo, Obama, since you have more than I do why don't you give me half of what you have in exchange for half of what I have? Fair is fair. So when am I going to be getting a check from you or does this smack of the Nigerian email scams?

30 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:24pm

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:31pm

Maybe this is already out there, but....

DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be "humiliated," without endorsing any party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to a video posted on the Internet.

"O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him," Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.

Libi, one of the top al Qaeda commanders believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God's wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.

The remarks were the first comments from a leading al Qaeda figure referring, albeit indirectly, to the U.S. elections. Muslim clerics often end sermons by calling on God to guide and support Muslims and help defeat their enemies.

In 2004 al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued his first video in more than a year just days before the elections to deride President Bush and warn of possible new September 11-style attacks.

Bin Laden made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger John Kerry, telling Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

32 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #25 So?

[Link: www.webstockpro.com...]

LOL!

33 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:00pm
smirking and laughing

media arrogance
let the pink slips continue

34 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:02pm

Laugh now aholes you'll be waiting on me at Starbucks a few months from now,repeat after me would you like room for cream sir?

35 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:13pm

re: #15 robin

Like I said yesterday. Obama's about spreading the Poverty around.

36 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:24pm

OT: I'm guessing there are still kinks in the system (the avatars are missing)?

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:28pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Without endorsing any party..." heh

38 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:38pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

I bet her momma's soooooooo proud of her.

39 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:05:52pm

Someone should protest CNN which is every hour repeating, minimizing and explaining away any significance to the Khalidi - Obama connection.

40 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.

41 jbolty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:33pm

I wish I could cancel my subscription but I did that years ago. I guess letters to the few remaining advertisers is the only other way to get their attention.

42 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

I probably should have said readers, not viewers.

43 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:06:37pm

re: #32 MandyManners

LOL!

Under Barack Obama, everyone will laugh!

[Link: www.pjlighthouse.com...]

44 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

Of course, the LA Times will only print in their paper exactly what they want their viewers to see, so I wouldn't count on this story getting any coverage. I hope someone was smart enough to call the LA Daily News (LA's other paper).

Looks like an Obama campaign rally. ;-)

/i know, it's really an illegal alien march

45 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:12pm
...Protecting confidential sources and standing by agreements made in order to get information is a cornerstone of good fundamental journalism, and a free press

And what are your standards for a presidential candidate? Oh wait, we already know the answer to that one. There are none.

46 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:30pm

Can I stand in my office window and smirk at them as they go to the unemployment office?

47 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:39pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe this is already out there, but....

DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be "humiliated," without endorsing any party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to a video posted on the Internet.

"O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him," Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.

Libi, one of the top al Qaeda commanders believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God's wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.

The remarks were the first comments from a leading al Qaeda figure referring, albeit indirectly, to the U.S. elections. Muslim clerics often end sermons by calling on God to guide and support Muslims and help defeat their enemies.

In 2004 al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued his first video in more than a year just days before the elections to deride President Bush and warn of possible new September 11-style attacks.

Bin Laden made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger John Kerry, telling Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

They're supporting Bob Barr? :-0

48 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:40pm
"smirking and laughing at the protesters."

Consider me smirking and laughing when they are walking the streets unemployed after the LA Times goes down.

49 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:07:59pm

re: #43 vbspurs

Unfair, we need to spread the laughs around. How dare the LA Times be able to laugh at something when I don't have that same social opportunity.

~/

It only starts with WEALTH. Imagine no personal possessions at all.

50 So?  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:00pm

re: #43 vbspurs

Under Barack Obama, everyone will laugh!

[Link: www.pjlighthouse.com...]

...and grow a full set of teeth or is that a double set?

51 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:09pm

re: #41 jbolty

I just canceled mine after 22 years,they did not seem concerned.

52 cblesz  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:38pm

re: #40 Charles

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.


You are welcome...I am at work, so all I can do is send them to you and ask you to post them :-)

53 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:08:56pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, getting the al Qaeda vote is an important part of Obama's outreach to terrorists militant moderate Muslims. Look at how inclusive Obama is.

54 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:01pm

They are full of sh-t!

55 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:24pm

re: #46 loppyd

Can I stand in my office window and smirk at them as they go to the unemployment office?

No, but you can help them carry their boxes to their cars.

56 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:43pm
57 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:09:52pm

Funny how these creeps never have any qualms about publishing stuff that is classified by the US gov't? Oh, that's good journalism. If they had an agreement with somebody not to publish the tapes and it was something about McCain, do you think they would honor their promise? Me neither.

58 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:30pm

re: #56 loppyd

Fox News poll: McCain nets five points since last week, now within three

Shazam!

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

59 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:31pm

re: #56 loppyd

WE really are the change we want to see.

60 Dr. Slogan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:40pm

It could be that in its zeal to promote Obama MSM has been signing its own death warrant--at least for many concious Americans, who will increase a reader base of alternative media and bring in more readers through their own connection. There's something about the power of altenative media when you get tens of replies like this to a post about the true nature of this election:

Thank goodness others see the danger to our country under an Obama administration. If only the MSM would wake up and really report the truth instead of just repeating what their corporate leaders tell them to say. But then, if they did they would be out of a job. I feel that most of the so-called reporters actually believe the garbage they feed us each day

My post was about the fact that it's no longer about GOP vs. Dems
http://drslogan.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/nov-4-you r-county-your-call/

Again, electing a Democratic president is not bad. But it has nothing to do with giving ultimate power to a smooth talker with a mile-long list of radical, racist, socialist and terrorist ties and proven record of supporting most radical changes in our society. This is not how democracies work. This is how they fail.
61 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:10:41pm

re: #55 Ward Cleaver

No, but you can help them carry their boxes to their cars.

Can I rip off their Obama stickers?

HEY - someone at the protest should take pics of the cars in the parking lot to see how many O stickers there are!

62 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:00pm

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

The LA Times building has a balcony that wraps around the block on the 2nd floor. When there are protests outside, employees can go out and watch as seen in these two photographs.

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

63 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #50 So?

...and grow a full set of teeth or is that a double set?

Socialism provides two rows of glorious revolutionary teeth! Comrade Lon Chaney shows what you can expect from the Obama dental plan.

[Link: images.tribe.net...]

64 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:06pm

re: #58 yma o hyd

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

Nope, not yet.

65 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:18pm

re: #58 yma o hyd

That cannot yet include the results after yesterday's 'weepathon' by B0, can it?

Probably not.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:11:49pm

The staffers at the LAT are acting like the French Aristocracy did right up until they were sent to the guillotine during the French Revolution. Elitist attitudes indeed.

67 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:02pm

Apparently the source dictated exactly what the Times could/could not release. No screen-shots, obviously no video, were the Times' reporters even allowed to write the article?

68 troonbop  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:22pm

And he made a typo..."turstworthy"? Yeah, it's a small thing, but it drives editors nuts.

69 bulwrk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:32pm

re: #57 Shr_Nfr

Are they the ones who published the name and address of a CIA agent or was that some other rag?

70 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:33pm

re: #56 loppyd

Fox News poll: McCain nets five points since last week, now within three

When will we get news if it is helping in the crucial States?

71 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:40pm

The source story doesn't hold water - I can't imagine that the video somehow compromises the source's anonymity. Nor does it prevent the Times from releasing a transcript. This is of course a paper that would scream if, say, Fox News or the WSJ had an incriminating video of McCain and refused to release it over source issues.

Someone on a thread a few days ago suggested that perhaps the reporter plagiarized the story from another source and made the video reference to make it seem a different story. So the Times can't say there is no video because their guy's work would then be questionable. I don't know if this is true, but it's more plausible than anything the Times has said.

72 wright1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:52pm

Bye oh bye Ms. American pie, drove my country's greatness into history the day our journalists died...

73 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:11pm

re: #65 loppyd

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Are you expecting another downslide for B0?

I fervently hope so - I just love seeing him waste all that illegal money!

74 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:22pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape


Of course not.
Why would someone HAND A FRICKING VIDEOTAPE OF AN EVENT TO THE NEWSPAPER, if they didn't want the contents of that videotape to be made public?

75 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Looks to me like one of the illegal alien support rallies.

76 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:42pm

re: #36 vbspurs

OT: I'm guessing there are still kinks in the system (the avatars are missing)?

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

77 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:13:49pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Not really surprising, though, is it?

78 eaglewingz08  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:26pm

LGF lizards just don't understand. The SOURCE is the OBAMESSIAH.
He is the lightworker, the SOURCE of ALL. So, when LATimes says the SOURCE doesn't want it released, that they have a COVENANT with the SOURCE not to release it, can you doubt that's true?
Would you expect LATimes not to honor its commitments? Only if you've seen them not honor such agreements with republicans in any level of gov't, but that is not the point you spawn of Satan. If you weren't spawn of Satan you would understand that you must vote for the Obamessiah, and this communication would be unnecessary.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #76 Son of the Black Dog

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

80 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:32pm

re: #61 loppyd

Can I rip off their Obama stickers?

HEY - someone at the protest should take pics of the cars in the parking lot to see how many O stickers there are!

Great idea!

81 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:49pm

Well, I just donated. All this time I thought there was no tip jar thingy. Thanks Ward.

82 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:14:58pm

re: #70 opinionated

When will we get news if it is helping in the crucial States?

State polls usually lag behind movement in the national polls by 3-4 days or so. I do know that the latest Mason-Dixon poll has Obama up by only 4 in PA, way down from six weeks ago.

That Obama is even campaigning in states like IA and PA, where he's supposed to have a solid lead, suggests that his campaign doesn't think it's so solid.

83 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:02pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

Yikes.

84 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:43pm

re: #81 Peacekeeper

Well, I just donated. All this time I thought there was no tip jar thingy. Thanks Ward.

But the LGF Prayer is wtill MIA. It used to be in the disclaimer box.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:15:55pm

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

yeah. sorry.

86 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

But the LGF Prayer is wtill MIA. It used to be in the disclaimer box.

Still MIA.

PIMF

87 Clio  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:09pm

It seems to me that the alleged remarks unfriendly to Israel would not have all that much impact on many voters. At least not enough to go to such lengths to suppress them.

And all the other guests would have heard such remarks and probably thought they were something to repeat rather than conceal.

Could it be that the video shows something that would be much more distasteful to a lot more people?

Such as . . . . ?

88 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:16pm

Bit OT, and shamelessly pimping my own link, for which i crave forgiveness - ist just that I'm so proud of those lads!

89 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:18pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

I'm not sure it matters. The LA Slimes sitting on the story implies it is really damaging to Chairman Zero. That may be enough to put a cubic centimeter of doubt in some undecideds. That might tip the balance.

90 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:32pm

re: #62 Charles

So that's an LA Times staffer raising a fist in solidarity with the anti-war moonbats? Nice.

Well, actually that picture is from the May Day March and Demonstration for Immigration Reform and Immigrant Rights, but yes that is a Times staffer raising a fist in solodarity.

91 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

Eye bleach/

92 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:16:44pm

If the tape were nothing it would have been out months ago. Ergo it has something bad on it.
Too bad Team McCain didn't pick up on this 6 months ago.

93 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:14pm

bbl

94 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:22pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see me.

Don't get out into the sun much.

If the Young Sun God is elected, you won't have that problem! His rays will permeate the darkest caves. Etc.

95 Penguinchic  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:34pm

re: #71 arethusa

I was just thinking the same thing about why they can't release a transcript. It would put rumors and imagination to rest...oh, maybe they like the rumors better.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:45pm

re: #82 arethusa

State polls usually lag behind movement in the national polls by 3-4 days or so. I do know that the latest Mason-Dixon poll has Obama up by only 4 in PA, way down from six weeks ago.

That Obama is even campaigning in states like IA and PA, where he's supposed to have a solid lead, suggests that his campaign doesn't think it's so solid.

The fact that he had to buy 30 minutes of prime time on multiple networks to air a masturbatory advert shows me His campaign is realizing that all the free air time he gets daily from the same networks is not enough.

97 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:17:56pm

If this confidentiality story were true, why didn't they come up with it from the very start?

98 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:12pm

re: #74 looking closely

Of course not.
Why would someone HAND A FRICKING VIDEOTAPE OF AN EVENT TO THE NEWSPAPER, if they didn't want the contents of that videotape to be made public?


That is exactly what I was going to say...Doesn't pass the smell test.
And the LAT wouldn't know the cornerstone of journalism if it fell on thier heads..
What a joke they have become..

99 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:26pm

Big papers are all going broke. Obama will bail them out as vital to a healthy democracy. Wait and see.

100 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:41pm

CNN going all out to defend Obama and attempt to tie McCain to Khalidi.

101 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:18:50pm

Now go away, oah Ah'll taunt you a secon' time-a!

102 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:41pm

re: #40 Charles

Thanks for the pictures - I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.

How about thumbnails?

103 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:46pm

This morning I started to get ready for the Obamalypse, and brought out the Phish, Greatfull Dead, and Strawberry Alarm Clock records.

Imagine:

Something you should know about Imagine Lyrics

Title: John Lennon - Imagine lyrics

Artist: John Lennon Lyrics

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Send "Imagine" Ringtone to Cell

Imagine there's no Heaven ("cling to guns and religion")
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries ("citizen of the world")
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer ("hope" and "change")
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions ("spread the wealth around")
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer ("we are the change we want to see")
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

104 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:19:54pm
I’m not going to mince words: I don’t believe the LA Times is telling the truth when they say they had an agreement with their source not to reveal the tape.

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.

105 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:02pm

re: #7 bosforus

Anybody got a wooden rabbit?

Those never work. Now, if we built a giant wooden badger...

106 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:07pm

Fools mock, but they shall mourn.

107 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:12pm

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

The staffers at the LAT are acting like the French Aristocracy did right up until they were sent to the guillotine during the French Revolution. Elitist attitudes indeed.

Quite! I am reminded of what you wrote after reading this post on Politico, "Would Palin stick out in Georgetown?".

Excerpt:

"Today’s Georgetown parties have less to do with downing highballs, more to do with raising money for local causes like planting trees and renovating parks.

Gahl Burt, a Georgetown resident and full-time volunteer on the McCain campaign, acknowledges that the place of full of kids now. When McCain speaks of “Georgetown cocktail parties,” Burt figures he’s speaking metaphorically of place that remains “a bastion of Democratic thought.”

One piece of evidence: When Burt walks her dog at night, she says the only McCain-Palin signs she sees are those in front of her house and the one belonging to the head of the local Republican Party.

Frida Burling, the 93-year-old grande dame of Georgetown, says the days of the real cocktail party came to end when men stopped arriving home at 5 p.m. — in time to don their evening attire. Burling remembers the era as a time when everyone drank too much simply because they drank too often.

That Georgetown had its zenith in the Kennedy era and rebounded a bit when Reagan was president. Glamorous, well-heeled couples — politicians, journalists, government appointees and embassy folks — would go from party to party, swirling around the five hostesses who ruled the day. "

The article makes it seem as if McCain is inventing the notion that the Georgetown party set would denigrate Palin (and believe me, the set exist no matter how much they want to say it doesn't -- my aunt and uncle work for the World Bank, and reside there).

Sally Quinn even later mocks McCain, saying that he himself was a frequent party guest within those social circles. That's not the point.

The point is that it's a hostile atmosphere towards Republicans, and they go out of their way to make it known they only respect you if you're a moderate Republican. God forbid you should be a conservative one, with a middle American mindset and values.

Rather like the LA Times staffers who smirked at all the "little people" with their cute little ineffectual signs, below.

108 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:13pm

Of course the real losers will be the Jewish residents of Israeli Town, a neighborhood in US backed Palestine.

109 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:13pm

News here in NY making a bid deal out of McCain being 'stood up' by Joe the Plumber today...

110 Kincsem  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:20:48pm

Hmm...

Does this make sense?

I have a videotape containing information that I do not want to get out.

I hand it over to a newspaper for safekeeping.

Something is not right here. Are we being led astray to misdirect our energies?

Of course, the LAT could just be simply arrogant about what they will 'let' the proles know.

111 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:22pm

As others have said before... ! can only imagine if the tape contained Mccain or Palin or Secret Military Intel information.... Can you imagine how hard the LALA times would be holding back.... hmmmmmm

112 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #78 eaglewingz08
Sounds a lot like my liberal friends. You been snoopin' on me?

113 opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:21:43pm

The McCain campaign is insane. They must have taken a blood oath to never mention Rev Wright.

Baited by CNN, a spokesman adamantly refuses to specifically name Wright as an anti Semite even as he says we all know of another anti Semite Obama hung out with.

114 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:03pm

re: #72 wright1

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How this country used to make them smile.
But they knew if they had a chance
That they could turn us into France
And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

But last february made me shiver
With every paper they'd deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
Obama takes one more step.

I can't remember if I sighed
When I read about his angry bride,
But something touched us deep inside
The day the media died.

115 filetandrelease  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:14pm

Anyone wonder what their position would be if they had a similar tape on McCain, or god forbid Palin? Bets?

"After careful consideration we have determined that the public right to know out weights our confidential source's request not to release this tape, so we sent a copy to every news out let in the world"

116 jbolty  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:33pm

I swapped some emails with the same guy. This is from him a day or two ago.

I completely agree about the role of the press being a watchdog on government abuse. The LA Times, as you know, brought this story to light in the first place and described what was going on on the tape. The reporter on the story has written extensively about Barack Obama's relationship to the Khalidi family. The reporter agreed with his source not to release the tape in return for getting acess to it.

The Times has made it clear (last night online and in today's newspaper) that it will honor that agreement. That is what you'd want, I would think: protection of a source in return for getting the underlying information. To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy. Honoring the agreement allows the newspaper to continue to get information from other sources and assures those sources of information that they can come forward confidentially.

117 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:46pm

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

118 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:46pm

re: #76 Son of the Black Dog

Naw, we've stripped down to our Speedos.

Works for me! The male Lizards may not care for it though.

119 Golem Akbar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:52pm

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.


I'd put money on the Times releasing the tape on November 5.

120 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:22:56pm

Good night all catch you on the night/dead thread.

121 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:14pm
122 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:19pm

At some point -- the unprofessional hack media will get theirs.

It's just a matter of time - and free markets.
(why the LA Times will protect the fascist left)

123 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:31pm

re: #71 arethusa

The source story doesn't hold water - I can't imagine that the video somehow compromises the source's anonymity. Nor does it prevent the Times from releasing a transcript.

Being Devil's advocate, its *possible* that the video compromises the source's anonymity, depending on what it shows. (EG, its possible that someone in the videotape addresses the cameraman by name, or that the cameraman narrates or otherwise makes an appearance at one point).

But the second part is much more salient. There is absolutely no reason the LA Times can't produce a transcript of the video.

Again, if the person involved were so concerned about their privacy, then why did they hand over a copy of this tape to the newspaper? That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This isn't some sort of State secret, and presumeably no criminal activity was involved here.

124 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:33pm

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

The fact that he had to buy 30 minutes of prime time on multiple networks to air a masturbatory advert shows me His campaign is realizing that all the free air time he gets daily from the same networks is not enough.

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.

125 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:23:44pm

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

A caller to Hugh Hewitt's show speculated that someone in the Hillary campaign might be "the source", and that they gave the LAT the tape during the primaries, hence the article back then, but that they've now told the LAT to hold it, and not release it. Interesting theory, but I don't put much stock in it.

That's the only theory I've seen that correlates with all the known facts.

126 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:08pm

re: #107 vbspurs

The article makes it seem as if McCain is inventing the notion that the Georgetown party set would denigrate Palin (and believe me, the set exist no matter how much they want to say it doesn't -- my aunt and uncle work for the World Bank, and reside there).

Sally Quinn even later mocks McCain, saying that he himself was a frequent party guest within those social circles. That's not the point.

The point is that it's a hostile atmosphere towards Republicans, and they go out of their way to make it known they only respect you if you're a moderate Republican. God forbid you should be a conservative one, with a middle American mindset and values.

Rather like the LA Times staffers who smirked at all the "little people" with their cute little ineffectual signs, below.

Yeah, she'd stick out in Georgetown, because she has common sense.

127 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:12pm

re: #114 Spenser (with an S)

France will be in a better spot then the U.S. if Obama wins. Viva Sarkozy!

128 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:15pm

I assume someone is documenting this protest in photographs and on video?

129 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:18pm

re: #34 bulwrk

Laugh now aholes you'll be waiting on me at Starbucks a few months from now,repeat after me would you like room for cream sir?

Maybe not. Like newspapers, folks aren't frequenting Starbucks much either these days.
Would you like fries with that? ..maybe

130 Nancy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:30pm

Isn't he saying it backwards? Don't sources usually give confidential material to journalists in order for it to be MADE public --but without revealing the source? Releasing the video isn't naming the source.

I never heard of someone handing over evidence they believed the public had a right to now and then ask that it not be revealed.

Yes, their excuse is lame that they "disclosed" they had the video of him at that dinner --because that was information which could easily be discovered and likely would have come out.

131 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:39pm

re: #117 mean Gene

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

Are the polls tighenening as a result of the Bradley effect though?

132 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:46pm

re: #121 Iron Fist

ROTFLMAO

133 alien_mind  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:24:52pm

funny how they choose this moment to cite ethics and honoring commitments. that video would have been on the streets for months if it incriminated John McCain, or any Republican for that matter. and I do agree, there is no agreement. never was.

134 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:11pm

re: #121 Iron Fist

WOW. as far as I know, I've never heard that song.

135 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:17pm

re: #117 mean Gene

With the polls tightening as they are AND the Bradley Effect on top of that, McCain has a decent chance.
Now, if the weather will just keep all those fair weather voters home....
How deeply can you be committed to ''the 0ne'' if you had to be bribed with a cigarette or a dollar?

It's not the weather I care about, so much as the huge queues on Tuesday. Even here in SoFla in 2004, when we were blessed with a sunny day in the 80s, people gave up when they saw the 3-4 hour crocodile.

I went to an early voting I was told was "fast", and was greeted with a 2-hour wait. I'll return on Halloween, as I think people will not be eager to vote then.

136 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:50pm

re: #127 WrathofG-d

re: #114 Spenser (with an S)

France will be in a better spot then the U.S. if Obama wins. Viva Sarkozy!

Viva Sarkozy indeed! It just rhymed nicely.

137 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:25:52pm

re: #130 Nancy

For ultimate protection of their source, one must ask, why did they even mention they had a tape?

138 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:06pm

re: #111 PISSED

As others have said before... ! can only imagine if the tape contained Mccain or Palin or Secret Military Intel information.... Can you imagine how hard the LALA times would be holding back.... hmmmmmm

It's like when President Bush was making a scheduled stop in Iraq.

The MSM: "He will be landing on the Baghdad airport at 5:54 P.M., There will be about 20 soldiers to greet them. They will be walking the 30 yards in the open to reach the hangers and then proceed by jeep caravan for the next mile to the Akbar base. They will only be carrying light weapons, M16's a few M203's, there should be quality spots to get a fair 'view', inshallah, if you go to Mohammad Meadows building on the 4th floor that overlooks the tarmac with a clear line of site and only about 150 yards away...and uh...Back to you Wolfe."

139 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least you don't hear cries of "There be the white whale!" when you go to the beach. (But I'm used to it.)

140 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:10pm

re: #90 Ringo the Gringo

Well, actually that picture is from the May Day March and Demonstration for Immigration Reform and Immigrant Rights, but yes that is a Times staffer raising a fist in solodarity.

That is just sickening to look at.

141 MI DB  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:21pm

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:41pm

Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton.

(I'm making my self say it over and over in repentance.)

143 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:49pm

Between what has already been published by their own reporter, their refusal to release the tape, and the statement: "In this case, the tape was written about extensively and only came to light because the LA Times made a promise not to publish it or reveal its source.", I can't imagine anything that will get the conspiracy theorists going at it hammer and tong more.

The average person will always imagine something worse than hat is in fact reality.

And yes, I know it won't change Obamitrons minds, but it is the undecideds we are shooting for.

And just out of curiosity, why in the world give a video to a newspaper for crying out loud with some kind of promise not to print it or release it's contents? Crap! Hasn't someone ever heard of safe deposit boxes for safekeeping?

144 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:26:53pm

re: #119 Golem Akbar

I'd put money on the Times releasing the tape on November 5.

Another theory was that there's nothing bad about Obama on the tape, and that the LAT will release it this weekend, just to make the GOP look stupid and desparate for making such a stink about it. Hmmm...

145 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:10pm

re: #138 Oh no...Sand People!

It would be funny... if it wasn't so f'n true.....

146 WhatDoIKnow  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:27pm

Hate to say it...I am not shocked! But that does not mean I accept that their clear bias should not go unchallenged. This protest is symbolic and does represent in my opinion, a large proportion of the US population who is completely dismayed by this bias but have jobs and responsibilities instead of marching on the LA Times. Also looks like my and everyone else icon's is missing or maybe Charles is going for the "Ich bein Lacerta Viridis’s" mindset.

147 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:27pm

While the Times refuses to give up the tape, their polling is making them very sad, I'm sure.

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting

148 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:30pm

re: #122 FrogMarch

At some point -- the unprofessional hack media will get theirs.

It's just a matter of time - and free markets.
(why the LA Times will protect the fascist left)

It could be that they feel this is their last hurrah. It's either a preemptive power grab, banking on Obama protecting them with a kind of media bailout (which he can spin as protecting the watchdogs of 'free speech').

Or they know they are going down fiscally, but want to go out with liberal heads held high.

149 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:34pm

I somehow got on the Obama campaign's email list (I don't know how, and if I find out someone I know is responsible, I'll be pretty angry). Anyway, I read the latest one instead of just deleting. Sent under Joe Biden's name, it claims:

We just learned that the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee had a $20 million cash advantage on October 15th. That means we can expect to see a fierce blitz of negativity in the final days -- so-called "robocalls," mail pieces, and TV ads filled with smears and false attacks.

I'm wondering if the $20 million advantage can possibly be true. Surely the RNC will allot some of that to Congressional races.

150 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:35pm

re: #144 Ward Cleaver

Another theory was that there's nothing bad about Obama on the tape, and that the LAT will release it this weekend, just to make the GOP look stupid and desparate for making such a stink about it. Hmmm...

desperate. PIMF

151 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:27:45pm

re: #134 WrathofG-d

It's one of my favorites. You should check out the video on Youtube. I'd provide a link, but Youtube is blocked by my company's firewall.

152 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:07pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

God bless them, the Paras are the best of the best and we honor their sacrifice.

153 BobbyG  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:20pm

Of course they made a

154 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:24pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

Hmmm, either they thought that the press had honor and it would be safe with a reporter (think Watergate) or it is a red herring designed to make the conservatives look bad going after non-existing dirt on the ONE.

155 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #140 capitalist piglet

That is just sickening to look at.

He probably shouted "Viva La Raza!", too.

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #128 capitalist piglet

I assume someone is documenting this protest in photographs and on video?

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

157 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So much for people thinking it would be easy to beat Obama... Wow...

158 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:28:59pm

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but why would a source give a video to the newspaper on the condition that the newspaper not release it? Isn't the point of giving the tape to the newspaper that the newspaper show everyone what's on it?

159 amphibian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:04pm

re: #73 yma o hyd

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Are you expecting another downslide for B0?

I fervently hope so - I just love seeing him waste all that illegal money!

Hey, it's a healthy infusion of Saudi FunBux into the American economy!

160 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:10pm

re: #124 Perplexed

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

161 Pyrocles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:11pm

I remember that... Hundreds of illegal aliens protesting for Communism in the U.S. What's not to like? /puke

re: #140 capitalist piglet

That is just sickening to look at.

162 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:20pm

re: #147 Intrepid

While the Times refuses to give up the tape, their polling is making them very sad, I'm sure.

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

163 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:21pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

You want a guess?

There were other guests such as Mayor Daley.

Suppose the Clinton campaign sent the tape to embarrass Obama and cause the LA Times to publish the initial story. But, they didn't want Daley embarrassed because they would need his help if Clinton was the nominee.

164 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:22pm

re: #145 PISSED

It would be funny... if it wasn't so f'n true.....

That's why the / sarc tag is missing...

165 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:23pm

re: #151 Iron Fist

How about a song name then.

Here is another on my playlist for the potential Obamalypse. REVOLUTION

"we all want to change the world...."

166 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:29pm

re: #147 Intrepid

I hope McCain wins this... just to see Olbertool and Chris wiggly legs heads asplode... : )

167 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:29:33pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton. Gosh, I miss Hillary Clinton.

(I'm making my self say it over and over in repentance.)

It may be The One's greatest achievement that he not only made HRC look good to me, but inspired me to cross party lines and vote for her in an April primary.

168 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:16pm

re: #162 vbspurs

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

Err, in Miami-Dade Co. I have no sources other than that.

169 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:20pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

I think they sent it in and saw nothing to be ashamed of in it. It was just a bunch of Jew-bashing, no biggie. Then, it became political dynamite and the LAT called and said "You don't want us to release this tape, do you? It would be a bad thing, right?"

170 harrylook  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:46pm

re 158: I see several people made the point as I was typing it. At least I know I'm not crazy....

171 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:30:56pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

One of the nicest things is he shoveled all that money in the American economy that he is so fervent about destroying. I wonder what the total tab for this loss will be. ;)

172 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:01pm
173 mean Gene  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:04pm

re: #131 tfc3rid

Are the polls tighenening as a result of the Bradley effect though?

No, the polls look tighter because the pollsters are trying to reclaim some credibility by aligning them more with reality.
Up until now they've been toying with their samplings to force an ''0'' card on us.

174 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:32pm

re: #164 Oh no...Sand People!

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

175 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:31:39pm

re: #165 WrathofG-d

Pussy Liquor, by Rob Zombie. It's off the House with 1000 corpses soundtrack. I first heard it in a strip club. The lyrics kinda jump out at you.

176 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:00pm

Perhaps there is no tape ...
Perhaps that dolt of a writer just said there was to cover up his own plagiarising.
We know he plagiarised from Debbie Schuessel (sp?) - she said so on her blog.

So the writer lied to his editor, who was too moonbatty to doub;e-check - and now niether of them can get out of the corner they've painted themselves in - nor can the LAT.

I just cannot believe that there hasn't been even the slightest bit of this video - heavily edited - on youtube. Those Palis put everything on youtube - why not that?

Very fishy - but a jolly good fisshy to slap the LAT, the msm and B0 with!

177 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:10pm

"smirking and laughing", huh?...LOL

Gee, had I seen that, I would have waited until the left what they thought was the safety of the building.

That "smirking and laughing" would have changed to tears and pain.

Apologize to those that may be offended by that...but that's just me! You deal with it as you choose, I would and stated so.

178 CrazyFool  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:12pm

More than likely they made an agreement not to release the tape in exchange for some cold-hard-cash from the Obama Campaign.

179 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:27pm

re: #124 Perplexed

He's in trouble and suspects that he may lose. If he loses, then the people who sent him and the democrats $$$$money$$$$ will be pretty angry about the zero return on their bucks.


George Soros can afford it.

Its unclear how much of Obama's his money was funnelled in illegally through suspect credit card donations anyway.

180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:47pm

The LAT is so full of shit

181 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:56pm

re: #139 joncelli

At least you don't hear cries of "There be the white whale!" when you go to the beach. (But I'm used to it.)

Nobody ever tried to push you back into the ocean, I hope?

////////

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:32:58pm

Senator McCain...
"I just wanted to tell you 'good luck'. We're all counting on you."

183 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:06pm

re: #116 jbolty

I swapped some emails with the same guy. This is from him a day or two ago.


To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

184 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:09pm

re: #148 vbspurs

It could be that they feel this is their last hurrah. It's either a preemptive power grab, banking on Obama protecting them with a kind of media bailout (which he can spin as protecting the watchdogs of 'free speech').

Or they know they are going down fiscally, but want to go out with liberal heads held high.

It smells that way. The left have a vested interest in the fascist leader who will protect them. It's all about paybacks and access. Dear leader will protect the big media against the dirty masses who no longer want to pay for their bull.

185 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:36pm

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

186 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:40pm

re: #158 harrylook

I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but why would a source give a video to the newspaper on the condition that the newspaper not release it? Isn't the point of giving the tape to the newspaper that the newspaper show everyone what's on it?

No, they could use it as a primary source, without need for corroboration from other guests at the dinner. They could then fashion their own story/interpretation from it, but hold it as backup.

We do the same in the field of History.

187 Charles  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:45pm

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

188 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:48pm

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

Helter Skelter

189 maddogg  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:33:58pm

re: #157 tfc3rid

So much for people thinking it would be easy to beat Obama... Wow...

Your right. We severely overestimated the intelligence of the American Public. Had we assumed they were artichokes, and ripe to be led into collectivism with their heads shoved so far up their asses that sunlight had to be piped in , we would have been less confident.

190 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:19pm

I am sooo glad that the LA Times is so concerned about the right to privacy. But then again, was it not the LA Times that forced the release of the divorce documents of Obama's opponent when running for the Senate? Records that both the wife and husband desired to remain sealed for the sake of the child? Where was the blasted right to privacy then you scumbag excuse of a paper!

The LA Times has been an agent of Obama for quite some time and I do not expect them to change.

191 Karagush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:44pm

ok after reading some of the LA times responses and being somewhat paranoid i am gonna give you my theory:

Perhaps the LA times IS protecting multiple entities.
Think about it: The PLO kills its moderates and critics. They arent nice people. It could be GLARINGLY OBVIOUS to certain people or everyone even who took the video. Or who gave it up, if it is played.

Its entirely probably Obamas people have threatened the times if the give it up. That is their MO.

The person who submitted the video may also have been threatened.

If the info is REALLY REALLY damaging. The Times may be very afraid what might happen to them if they release it and O wins in a squeaker anyway. And the person who submitted it may fear retribution from any number of people. I am not just talking about being blackballed or friends not talking to you any more. Large amounts of money may have changed hands too.

It goes very badly for Zionist collaborators among the palestinians.

Nobody seems to have considered that angle if this tape is extremely damaging.

192 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:34:52pm

re: #121 Iron Fist
WTF.....What was the point of these lyrics?

193 MI DB  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:08pm

re: #40 Charles

I'm holding off on them to keep our bandwidth usage lower.


Hmmmm.....
Sounds kinda like you work for the La Times. Isn't that one of their excuses? ............ Just kidding, we all know about your hamster issues.

194 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:29pm

CNN reading e-mail received on this Khalidi issue.

Every single e-mail read on the air so far supports the Obama camp and the LA Times.

I'm sure it's either a coincidence or no McCain supporters are e-mailing them.

195 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #174 PISSED

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

Then they will say, yes but there is a historical precedent for black people in nooses. So just said what I did yesterday to a liberal friend who countered with that:

"Right, because there is no historical precedent for violence towards women"

He went real quiet.

196 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:35pm

re: #187 Charles

We also cannot ignore that after the election, if Obama wins, the MSM need to have some rapport with the Dali Bama or their business is DONE!

$$$$ talks, Democracy walks.

197 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:42pm

re: #183 akgoldrush

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

Indeed.

If there is nothing explosive or damaging about the tape, then what does the source have to fear? What's the big deal?

Or is the LA Times actually saying that they're afraid for the personal safety of source if he releases any information damaging to Obama?

In other words, he's protecting the source from OBAMA and his goons?

198 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:35:43pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

Unfortunately, whatever Soros has spent in 2004 and 2008 is just chump change to him, especially compared to the payoff if he hits the winning combination and gets to be the de facto king of the world.

199 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #141 MI DB

I'm sorry, but could someone explain this to me. I am just a bitter person, clinging to my religion and my guns.

Why would someone send something to a news company and then have an agreement that they not disclose it? If they did not want the times to disclose it, then why send it? It makes no sense to me. Surely one of you can enlighten me on this.

I still think it plausable that someone sent it there as garuantee of no harm from the Obama organization. (If something happens to this person, then the tape gets shown)

200 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

Sorry MSM, you have burned the bridge...there is no longer any trust, may your sales dwindle and your rags fade into obscurity.

201 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:42pm

Regarding yard signs... most people have gotten smart. No McCain yard signs means a lower chance of a broken window. Yard signs are not votes. Politico is in the tank for Obama - I heard one of their guys get interviewed and he was Obama all the way.

So we're standing in line inside at the early voting place. And we're bored and looking at the big boxes where you insert your (paper) ballot, it gets scanned and retained in the box. And somebody in the line says, "I wonder how many of those boxes they have full of cheater ballots in a closet somewhere." People barely laughed because it happened here before where a national Dem DNC person showed up when it was close and they were still counting and came up with boxes of "uncounted" ballots. I think I might volunteer in this area over the next cycle. I thought we had it nailed because we voted on a "Voter ID Required" ballot item some years back (it won) which obviously had no effect whatsoever on the ongoing cheater system.

202 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:36:59pm

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

203 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:04pm

re: #192 Big Steve

WoG and I were exchanging songs for the Obamalypse. He picked Imagin by some old hippie loser, and I supplied an appropriate response.

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:27pm
205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:28pm

re: #176 yma o hyd

Tape or no tape makes no difference when they refused to come clean the minute the push for disclosure started. The more the LAT stonewalls the more the implicit belief there is something there grows. If there is nothing to the tape why refuse to release it?

Just because this is a possible conspiracy theory does not invalid that there is something being covered up.

206 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:34pm

re: #174 PISSED

I try and point out the hypocrisy to some of my ..ahem.. liberal friends and they are blind to it... take the palin effigy... they say oh its halloween and i say Ok... lets put up an effigy of you know who and see what happens..

I posted this on a Spin off link a while back...but I have to always watch it. They, the left, are beyond 'external help', they must somehow in their pretzel logic / mental contortions choose to find their own way out of their mental recesses... akin to a 'user' getting off a drug. It's a long video...but it explains it perfectly. Just replace 'Mondale' with 'Obama' and it is now.

207 Nancy  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:40pm

re: #123 looking closely

I did think of that. That it may be known who shot the tape and who had it or where it was located.

There were lots of people at that dinner. Anyone of them could have remembered it was video tapped. Someone may have come around "asking" about it and/or it was decided that it would be "safer" under "journalistic protection."

208 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #162 vbspurs

FWIW, that is confirmed by me, from my source at Elections. Last week it was 50/50 down the line, but this week, it's about 60/40 McCain.

Good news indeed - but still, every vote counts, now more than ever.
Its no good staying at home, thinking McCain ahs got it - the Dems will do their utmost in fraud and coercion to beat this result, now that they know McCain is ahead.

Don't stop working until the last minute!
No complacency!

209 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans

One of the nicest things is he shoveled all that money in the American economy that he is so fervent about destroying. I wonder what the total tab for this loss will be. ;)

OOOOH, I'd hate to guess. Must be a nice chunck though. I saw in the NY Post that he's talking down Hedge Funds, so watch out.

210 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.


If the video contained actual State secrets, they'd release it in a heartbeat.

Also, (as above) the LAT is essentially admitting that the tape is incredibly damaging, by claiming its release could threaten the source.

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:37pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The LAT is so full of shit

Doubtful considering how much they have shoveled in their defense to not release the tape.

212 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:38:53pm

re: #195 vbspurs

He went real quiet.

For the record, I don't think ANYONE here or any Conservative I know is advocating that this effigy/noose treatment be doled out to Senator Obama.

What many of us mind is the double-standard.

It's like the idiots who hang Santa Claus in effigy every Christmas. There was one in NYC and one down here in SoFla last year. They attack Santa because he's Christian -- they would never do so with a mannequin of the Prophet Muhammed because they're scared.

213 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:08pm

re: #187 Charles

Seems to me that if they can write about it there would be no problem releasing a transcript. That way their source isn't compromised and they do the public a favor. Curiouser and curiouser.

214 Opinionated  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:36pm

If the Times doesn't want to release the tape it must be because Obama is applauding wildly at every mention that Israel should be destroyed.

Pass it on.

215 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:47pm

Wow. So they mocked the plebeians down below, literally, from their Ivory Tower.

216 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:39:58pm

re: #160 x-wing

Soros loves throwing his money away. What was it, 25 million to try to get Lurch elected 4 years ago.

/I love seeing bad things happen to bad people

This adds to my belief that the amount of money spent does not the election win. I meant that syntax.

217 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:01pm

re: #195 vbspurs

Yep. And not just violence toward women. Strangulation w/ rope, wire, ties, etc.

218 WitchDoctor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:15pm

On Wednesday we will wake up to a democratic congress and a Republican President. Tape or no.

And if I'm wrong, it won't matter because I won't be reading LGF, I'll be at the store buying one of those new Mossbergs :)

219 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:18pm

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.

220 bosforus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:32pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

Bit OT, and shamelessly pimping my own link, for which i crave forgiveness - ist just that I'm so proud of those lads!

From your link I found another BBC story that brings me much pleasure to post here.
Brand quits BBC over prank calls
Or, as I would have headlined it.
British "comedian" prick that begged America to vote for Obama at the MTV video music awards to save our country from "a retard cowboy fella" gets what he deserves after making "offensive comments" to respected British comedian Andrew Sachs regarding his 23 year old granddaughter and is pulled from BBC's Radio 2 program.
(a little long?)

221 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:49pm

re: #209 x-wing

Wonder what Chelse Clinton thinks about that? Not only does Obama beat out her mother for the nomination, then he tanks the industry that she is in. An Obamessiah regime doesn't look to be too kind for the Clintons.

Of course, it's gonna suck a lot for us, too.

222 Big Steve  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:55pm

re: #203 Iron Fist

WoG and I were exchanging songs for the Obamalypse. He picked Imagin by some old hippie loser, and I supplied an appropriate response.


maybe I just didn't understand the point. thanks.... but out of context they are rather offensive....hate to see you ticketed!

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:40:55pm

re: #210 looking closely

Maybe it has a picture of George Bush that would embarrass the president. They wouldn't want that to be public and hurt President Bush's image.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:12pm
225 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:34pm

re: #202 WrathofG-d

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

I would like to see the stills or vids of:

..and that LA Times staffers were watching from the windows, smirking and laughing at the protesters.

226 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:38pm

re: #187 Charles

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

227 Wendya  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:40pm

Holding back information crucial to the ability of voters to make an informed decision is now called "a cornerstone to good fundamental journalism and a free press"

Uncle Joe would be so proud.

228 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:47pm

Any videos yet on the protest?

229 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:08pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

Charles, you and the PJ people are in a position to make a commercial killing right now. The public is noticing that the press is FoS... and so you guys could: 1) pick a printer/plotter that can be mounted on the wall by the coffee pot, and 2) offer some kind of content on demand software that will let you (us!) order up a "newspaper" with non-traditional source content that will print out at about 5am on 11x17" paper for taking on the train, etc. It would be sitting there ready for you (us!) when you pour your first cup or make lunches for the kids. It would be great and someone will get rich doing this.

230 WhatDoIKnow  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:14pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

Ding.Ding.Ding...exactly! The slow bleed drip of information begins.

231 BirdFLU  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:25pm

The "confidential source" is a ridiculous excuse for this one. It's a video tape of a fund raising event. In other words, a lot of people were there. I'm sure there were several people taking pictures and videos. That's what fund raising events are for; people get together, are impressed by the other people they're rubbing elbows with, then donate money to the cause.

If the fund raising itself was confidential, they wouldn't have had an event where people get together, they would have raised funds in some other way.

So basically, the LA Times is surely lying and ia also saying "We found it first so you can't have it. We make the news!"

232 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:42pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

JammieWearingFool gets a hat tip from the NY Times' "Opinionator."

That is way cool for Jammie!

233 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:53pm

Maybe, perhaps .....
The MSM want to destroy PRESIDENT Obama with everything in their closets.
CANDIDATE Obama will only sell until the election cycle ends.
Just had a hunch. Give the Obama people something to think about.

234 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:42:58pm

Actually, 150 people or so is quite a good turn-out on such short notice... at 10 AM on a Thursday.

235 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:13pm

re: #230 WhatDoIKnow

Ding.Ding.Ding...exactly! The slow bleed drip of information begins.

Damn you Hillary.

236 Picayune  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:16pm

This is the same LA Slimes that shilled for the O by breaking the story about his IL opponent, Ryan, and pushing for breaking the seal on his divorce decree during the election that resulted in Ryan throwing in the towel against BroBama.

So, as to their highly touted ethics - well the barn door has now fallen from the barn and that horse is three states away.

Release the full, unedited tape now. US voters tend to punish hypocrisy in their pols and the MSM liars which pimp them!

237 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #208 yma o hyd

Good news indeed - but still, every vote counts, now more than ever.

I'm glad you say that, because it allows me to voice this opinion. I rather like that Mac and Sarah are not leading in the (obviously incorrect) polls. This makes Republicans that much more motivated to get out there, and vote.

If our ticket were leading, I fear that the Obots would treble their GOTV campaign on Tuesday. I know one kid (and his mother) from Univ of Miami who are planning their Obama victory party with neighbours, but he told me he thinks it's so in the bag, he can "sleep in" that day.

Good, sleep sleep very sleepy.

238 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:04pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

It worked for Skeletor, on H&C last night. Plus he kept going on about how some organization associated with McCain supposedly once gave Khalidi about $500k, like that made any difference.

239 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:06pm

re: #200 gonecamping

Sorry MSM, you have burned the bridge...there is no longer any trust, may your sales dwindle and your rags fade into obscurity.

That's part of why the MSM will be so fun to watch starting the day after the election.

What we do need is to develop newspapers that are unbiased, and support smaller papers that have stayed unbiased.

In that same FOX segment, they talked about the early 20th century, where newspapers were so openly biased, they often named themselves after the party towards which they favored (which is why you see so many papers whose names end in "Republican" or "Democrat").

240 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:45pm

ok I'll bring up the subject we're all wondering about...when does cognito show up in this thread to tell us all in condesending way, that we don't understand anything, and it's well within the LA times perogative to be above the common people because we really don't know anything..blah,blah, bloviate...

241 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:47pm

re: #226 Peacekeeper

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

You mean like Cognito?

(rolling eyes now)

242 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:50pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.

Goodness. An actual journalist would have to go incognito to go along with this.

243 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:53pm

re: #183 akgoldrush

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Put the source in jeopardy of what? Is the LAT saying that the source could be in some physical or political danger for releasing this tape of a supposedly innocuous meeting?

It was a freaking going away party! How secretive and protected does that tape need to be?

244 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:44:57pm

re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

Charles can't post your pix, yet. Do you have a blog?

245 Cato  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:45:11pm

THIS IS WHAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SHOULD DO:

A proxy ought to say: We understand, LA Times, that you may have an obligation. But if Obama says you can release it will you? We hereby ask you Mr. Obama, to instruct the Times to release it.

Obama either answers or ignores. If he ignores, we make a stink. If he answers. "It is not in my power to release it," we make it sound as if he is stonewalling, which he is.

If he makes an announcement that whoever brought it in agree to the Times release, maybe we can sweeten the offer with money.

246 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:45:24pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.


From the article,

The circumstances of her death remain unclear

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:38pm

We need to begin to think of how we are going to support President McCain and his new Administration against an overwhelmingly partisan Congress.

248 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:40pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

You mean like Cognito?

(rolling eyes now)


uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

249 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:50pm

re: #202 WrathofG-d

Charles,

Could you pass the photos of this to Zombietime.com or LGF fallback, so we can actually see them?

How much bandwidth does Fallback have?

250 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

Good grief, she must have been an NYC cop before she was a blogger.

251 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:46:56pm

re: #245 Cato

THIS IS WHAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SHOULD DO:

A proxy ought to say: We understand, LA Times, that you may have an obligation. But if Obama says you can release it will you? We hereby ask you Mr. Obama, to instruct the Times to release it.

Obama either answers or ignores. If he ignores, we make a stink. If he answers. "It is not in my power to release it," we make it sound as if he is stonewalling, which he is.

If he makes an announcement that whoever brought it in agree to the Times release, maybe we can sweeten the offer with money.

Excellent idea. I think the Times would fall back on its same excuse, but this would force Obama to show his hand.

252 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:04pm

re: #234 astronmr20

Actually, 150 people or so is quite a good turn-out on such short notice... at 10 AM on a Thursday.

If it doesn't get exposure, it didn't happen. Hope to God we get photos, videos, and that local news at least sent out a crew.

253 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:18pm

re: #205 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tape or no tape makes no difference when they refused to come clean the minute the push for disclosure started. The more the LAT stonewalls the more the implicit belief there is something there grows. If there is nothing to the tape why refuse to release it?

Just because this is a possible conspiracy theory does not invalid that there is something being covered up.

Oh yes - its the cover-up, the non-release of the tape (if they have it) which is so damaging. Not just to the LAT but to B0, because everybody can now let their imagination run riot.

I think, regardless of what is on that tape, the cover-up will now run, and hopefully radio hosts will keep at it.
This story is so full of holes - simply on principle they must not be allowed to get away with it and let this story be slowly swept under the carpet.

254 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:40pm

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

Skelator is going to grasp any straw he can to support his/Obama's position. I doubt there is anything low enough for Skeletor to call the Left on.

Unless they lose. If they lose, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth from the "intellegent" people who have carried Obama's water for him all these months.

255 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:47:54pm
256 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:29pm

re: #221 Iron Fist

Wonder what Chelse Clinton thinks about that? Not only does Obama beat out her mother for the nomination, then he tanks the industry that she is in. An Obamessiah regime doesn't look to be too kind for the Clintons.

Of course, it's gonna suck a lot for us, too.

Yeah , I read about what he did to Britains currency years back. Chelsea may have to move back in with mom and pop.

/she was in court to help settle the buyout of one of the financial institutions. And very rude, according to the paper.

257 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:35pm

Just got this from Google

Dear Publisher,

We understand that the recent economic turmoil has created a lot of uncertainty in the lives of AdSense publishers. During these difficult times, we're continuing to invest in innovations that improve publisher monetization and advertiser value in the content network.

Investing in and promoting Obama.

258 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:48:52pm

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

259 Alouette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:11pm
Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

Some deep pocket is being blackmailed with that video. By releasing the contents, the mark will have no more reason to pay up.

260 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:15pm

re: #199 Soona'

I still think it plausable that someone sent it there as garuantee of no harm from the Obama organization. (If something happens to this person, then the tape gets shown)

Not very plausible.

The only way this would really serve as a warning to Obama's thugs to leave the tape's creator alone were if that creator's identity were already known to them.

If the Obama camp did NOT know who made the tape already, then why would its author draw attention to himself by submitting it for coverage at the LAT?

That doesn't make sense.

261 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:23pm

re: #249 debutaunt

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

262 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:23pm

re: #246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

hahahahahahahahahahah good one. :D

263 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:49:50pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

you get my latest email about the website?

264 right_on_target  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:00pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.


_________________________________________
From this quote on HuffPo
"The circumstances of her death remain unclear; police believe she may have taken her own life after learning that her roommate -- and former partner -- had been found dead."
That's not what the police believe!
They didn't read the write-ups showing the evidence uncovered so far;
she killed her partner.

265 SpartanWoman  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:01pm

re: #187 Charles

The excuse is obviously false. Who would give the Times a video and say, "Go ahead and write about everything that's on it, but you can't release the video itself?"

This is crap. But the reason why they're using this excuse is to get their fellow media drones on their side. All the journalists nod their heads and say, "Yep, that makes perfect sense. Don't blame 'em."

And it's working.


Because the journalists are colluding with their LAT buddies to perpetrate a fraud

266 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:05pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Accordingly, the only reason to keep the tape under wraps is to conceal what is on it.

What if they returned it? What if they expunged the damning scenes, or in some way altered it, which would visible to third parties?

267 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:21pm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Just six days before the Election, KING 5 News discovered absentee ballots being left unsecured in a University Place post office.
268 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:40pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

Nothing could be done. We're poised to elect a man who is no friend to Israel (to put it mildly), and it's a fair bet that this tape is the smoking gun that would prove it...but you can't impeach him for it.

Frustrating in the extreme.

269 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

What can or could be done? Would "O" go on to inauguration?

Can one be impeached before one is sworn in?

/boggled.

No.

270 de La Valette  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:42pm

Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

No, its an admission that some of the people on the tape are dangerous terrorists.

271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:51pm
272 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #216 midwestgak

This adds to my belief that the amount of money spent does not the election win. I meant that syntax.

Its not money alone that wins an election, but effective use of that money.

The problem here is that the more election cycles Soros and his like try to subvert, the better they get at doing it.

273 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:01pm
Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?

Could mean that the source could wind up like Vince Foster, dead and much controversy about the death.

274 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:01pm

re: #187 Charles

Another curious problem here is that (generally speaking) the MSM thrives on leaks...It routinely publishes info everybody knows is supposedly "confidential." Government employees sign confidentiality agreements (pledging that they'll never leak info), yet info is routinely leaked to the press. Hence, the press is complicit in getting the Info out there -- based on the concept of "the Public's Right To Know". And the "public's right to know" trumps "confidentiality." What's really at stake here has (imo) nothing to do with "confidentiality" -- what this matter entails is keeping a source anonymous. Maintaining anonymous sources IS NOT the same as "confidentiality." The two are separate and distinct issues. But the LA Times is conflating the two in the hopes that the Video evidence will never come to light, and thus the Zero's "reputation" will remain unblemished. They're not protecting "a source" -- they are protecting Their Candidate...as per Pravada...or a State Controlled Media under orders from the PolitiBuro...The Left has given its Orders to the Press, and the Press complies.

275 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:21pm
re: #20 cblesz

I sent pictures...for an unorganized protest, it was going pretty strong when I left...

cblesz, send your email address to FightThePalinSmears.com tips. They can put up a few pics.

276 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:29pm

re: #220 bosforus

From your link I found another BBC story that brings me much pleasure to post here.
Brand quits BBC over prank calls
Or, as I would have headlined it.
British "comedian" prick that begged America to vote for Obama at the MTV video music awards to save our country from "a retard cowboy fella" gets what he deserves after making "offensive comments" to respected British comedian Andrew Sachs regarding his 23 year old granddaughter and is pulled from BBC's Radio 2 program.
(a little long?)

Aahh - this story has dominated the news - over 20,000 complaints to the BBC, Gord, Dave Cameron, everybody weighing in.

Andrew Sachs played Manuel in Fawlty Towers, btw.

Oh - and if anybody has any connections to comedy bigwigs - that Brand person is trying to re-start his career in the USA ...

277 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:31pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need to begin to think of how we are going to support President McCain and his new Administration against an overwhelmingly partisan Congress.

Hey Fat, I'm still of the opinion that the dems in Congress aren't going to be as numerous as most people are speculating. And my crystal ball concurs.

278 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:51:45pm
279 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:19pm

re: #267 jcm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

280 nikis-knight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:43pm

Hmm, here's an interesting thought. Remember Biden's blacklisting of the news anchor who asked him some tough questions about socialism?

Maybe he was sending a message to the LAT that if they want any access in an Obama administration, keep this thing under wraps.

Far more likely, of course, that the LAT is doing it entirely volutarily, but an interesting confluence.

281 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:52:56pm

re: #254 Iron Fist

Skelator is going to grasp any straw he can to support his/Obama's position. I doubt there is anything low enough for Skeletor to call the Left on.

I wonder if Hannity knows how many people change the channel as soon as Colmes starts talking. I know I do, much as I like Hannity, I go to something on the Tivo, or watch some random ball game. He'd be smart to deep-six Colmes and get a more telegenic and better spoken liberal partner.

282 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:03pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Question:

Suppose "O" gets elected. The tape is released only days after the election, and the American public has an immediate about-face mind changing/game changing realization.

Do you guys remember a rumoured source within an MSM organisation said they had damaging info on Obama, but they were holding after his election?

I was told many times by moderate journalists (yes, there are some) that journalists do indeed lean liberal. There's no question of that. But what they really care about is "setting the narrative". Then they know no ideology. It becomes a question of "who got the story".

If true, how venal. How disgusting.

283 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:09pm

re: #226 Peacekeeper

They could invite some other media people in to privately view it and report that it is not all all controversial.

They could invite several of the local imams and some representatives from Farrakan's NOI to make sure it didn't offend the ROP. No jooos allowed.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:20pm

re: #277 midwestgak

Your mouth, gods ear and all that.

285 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:26pm

Again: If one is elected but not sworn to office. What can be done?

286 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:38pm

re: #269 astronmr20

President Biden? OMG!

287 CapeCoddah  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:40pm

re: #229 Sunlight

Charles, you and the PJ people are in a position to make a commercial killing right now. The public is noticing that the press is FoS... and so you guys could: 1) pick a printer/plotter that can be mounted on the wall by the coffee pot, and 2) offer some kind of content on demand software that will let you (us!) order up a "newspaper" with non-traditional source content that will print out at about 5am on 11x17" paper for taking on the train, etc. It would be sitting there ready for you (us!) when you pour your first cup or make lunches for the kids. It would be great and someone will get rich doing this.

All we have to do is wait a few weeks, then the lizards can pick up and publish the LA Times ourselves. They should be going on the block shortly... The Lizard Standard Times.

288 gmsc  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:40pm

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

289 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:50pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Once the election is in the bag, there's not a whole lot the voters can do if they are suddenly hit with Buyers Remorse about it. I think it's a given that the Dems are going to hold the House and the Senate at the end of all this. They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium. No matter what the voters want.

If Obama wins next tuesday, it's over for the next two years. We can (hopefully) filibuster in the Senate, but it's going to be one long, cold, dark winter for us in the meantime.

290 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:52pm

This will probably sound crazy, but can we, collectively, make any legal maneuvers if Obama wins with the obvious aid of election fraud?

291 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:53:54pm

#246 astronmr20

222 stab wounds from a philips-head screwdriver is unclear?

Yeah, "unclear" about 222 stab wounds. It does appear that the victim was a complete ass and certainly deserved a kick in the hindquarters, but the murderer went completely crazy, and tried to cover it up. Then Huffpost paints over the story!

292 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:05pm

re: #248 Spider Mensch

uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

"Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice!"

293 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #206 Oh no...Sand People!

It linked to YURI BEZMENOV? i havent had time to watch it

I didnt see anything about Mondale.. ?

294 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:39pm

re: #268 capitalist piglet

Nothing could be done. We're poised to elect a man who is no friend to Israel (to put it mildly), and it's a fair bet that this tape is the smoking gun that would prove it...but you can't impeach him for it.

Frustrating in the extreme.

May I remind everyone that it isn't Nov 5th yet?

295 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:41pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

NHS will cover hair plugs and Botox.

296 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:42pm

re: #227 Wendya

Holding back information crucial to the ability of voters to make an informed decision is now called "a cornerstone to good fundamental journalism and a free press"

Uncle Joe would be so proud.

Until the tape is released there is only the LAT and the source that knows if the information is crucial. Until then it only has the potential of being of use. Right now all we have is circumstantial evidence. Still, it is a very strong case for being damning to the Obama campaign.

297 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:43pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

298 Josephine  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:45pm

They're not protecting a confidential source.

They're protecting the candidate whom they hope will give their industry big bailout bucks if he is elected President.

299 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:54:53pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Allow me to note that the claims that "releasing the tape might put the source in jeopardy" have no validity whatsoever.

That the tape exists is already known. The tape has already been written about. Therefore, any "jeopardy" that might attach to the source has already attached to any person or persons who might have videotaped the event--and attached some time ago.

Accordingly, the only reason to keep the tape under wraps is to conceal what is on it.

Perhaps the LA Times was only allowed to view the tape, and they don't really have it in their possession anymore, but don't want to admit that little fact.

300 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:01pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet

Arrrrrrrrrrgh! And they mailed duplicate ballots to Yakima county! This entire election is a nightmare! SHE CAN'T DO THIS AGAIN. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.

I'm speechless, possible voter fraud in WA.

/knock me over with a feather.

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:05pm

Question:
Is everyone so sure this tape would make the difference?
With only hours to go, should maybe the focus be elsewhere?
just askin'

302 GreenBear  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:10pm

Well, just suppose, hypothetical-like, we found our own "source" for the tape and we start detailing the really outrageous stuff on the tape (say a tipsy Obama admitting that John McCain would make a great president) and then they have to release the tape so we can see what's really on it? Nah. That’s what the DNC would do…

Sometimes it's no fun being honorable.

/sarc

303 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:14pm

re: #125 Son of the Black Dog

That's the only theory I've seen that correlates with all the known facts.

Debbie Schluessel claims that the tapes author is a Palestinian named Ali Abunimah, and that Wallsten plagiarized the original story from her.

304 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:15pm

re: #288 gmsc

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

LOL! With featurette narration by Susan Sarandon.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:18pm

It seems that I like Cog a lot more than most folks here. Maybe I just don't see the posts that he makes that are so offensive.

I save my anger for the Sandmen of the world.

306 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:41pm

re: #267 jcm

The ballot games begin in WA State.

Oh whee, more Gregoire crap. :(

307 Soona'  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:55:48pm

re: #248 Spider Mensch

uh oh ward see my #240..we mentioned his name two posts in a row..once more and he shows up like beetlejuice...lol

COGNI....I can't do it.

308 Sunlight  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:21pm

re: #287 CapeCoddah

All we have to do is wait a few weeks, then the lizards can pick up and publish the LA Times ourselves. They should be going on the block shortly... The Lizard Standard Times.

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. This is a business opportunity for the chief lizard, instapundit, roger, et al... they're doing the pjtv stuff and now they need to have a replacement product for the breakfast table newspaper...

309 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:55pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium.

Ohhh. Baaaaa-rack.

310 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:56:58pm
311 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:08pm

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

It worked for Skeletor, on H&C last night. Plus he kept going on about how some organization associated with McCain supposedly once gave Khalidi about $500k, like that made any difference.

Skeletor stands there like some reptilian lady justice, balancing out everything for us.

312 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #293 PISSED

It linked to YURI BEZMENOV? i havent had time to watch it

I didnt see anything about Mondale.. ?

Yup. He mentions 'Mondale' late in the vid (This interview was done in '86 IIRC). When you get some time to waste...it explains everything about the left. As a Soviet defector the dude knows the heart of the liberal beast.

313 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #276 yma o hyd

Ah, yes. He's moving here! Excellent. *spit*

314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:14pm

re: #288 gmsc

We need to somehow convince the LA Times that the tape has been classified as Top Secret by the U.S. Government. That way, the tape would be shown 20 times on TV before Friday was out, and be available as a DVD by Saturday!

Perhaps we could say CIA operatives forced people in the video to form pyramids while wearing thongs on their heads. That should give it the front page for weeks.

315 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #297 jcm

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

That won't stop the Dems unless there is a MASSIVE margin.

316 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #237 vbspurs

I'm glad you say that, because it allows me to voice this opinion. I rather like that Mac and Sarah are not leading in the (obviously incorrect) polls. This makes Republicans that much more motivated to get out there, and vote.

If our ticket were leading, I fear that the Obots would treble their GOTV campaign on Tuesday. I know one kid (and his mother) from Univ of Miami who are planning their Obama victory party with neighbours, but he told me he thinks it's so in the bag, he can "sleep in" that day.

Good, sleep sleep very sleepy.

Yeah - I hope they have a nice long lie-in and then get ready for the party - to drown their sorrows!
Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.
Above all - every Republican and PUMA must disregard the exit polls!
Its not over until the last vote is cast - but Lizards know that ...

317 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #276 yma o hyd

Oh - and if anybody has any connections to comedy bigwigs - that Brand person is trying to re-start his career in the USA ...


I wish him the best of luck.
Its a crowded field, and I've heard the guy. . .he's just not that funny.

318 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:36pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium.

more unfounded rumors?
///

319 x-wing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:57:46pm

re: #285 Allah al Fubar

Again: If one is elected but not sworn to office. What can be done?

A round house kick to the face by Chuck Norris?

/did you catch his commercial yet?

320 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:07pm

re: #292 Ward Cleaver

"Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice! Cognitojuice!"

the bio media exorcist?

321 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:10pm

re: #294 midwestgak

May I remind everyone that it isn't Nov 5th yet?

I was speaking to a scenario put forth in the post I answered, not to what I expect to happen. Don't take me for someone who thinks the result is a foregone conclusion, please - I don't.

322 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:11pm

re: #308 Sunlight

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. This is a business opportunity for the chief lizard, instapundit, roger, et al... they're doing the pjtv stuff and now they need to have a replacement product for the breakfast table newspaper...

Why would Charles and his posse throw over the way of reading news of the future, to invest in the way of reading news of the past?

I mean, that's part of the reason all these broadsheets are failing, yes?

323 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:24pm
324 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:58:24pm

re: #282 vbspurs

Do you guys remember a rumoured source within an MSM organisation said they had damaging info on Obama, but they were holding after his election?

I was told many times by moderate journalists (yes, there are some) that journalists do indeed lean liberal. There's no question of that. But what they really care about is "setting the narrative". Then they know no ideology. It becomes a question of "who got the story".

If true, how venal. How disgusting.


The question remains: If "O" is not yet sworn in, and public outrage and demands force the release of the tape. Is there anything that can be done to keep him from being sworn in?

325 lori lane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:04pm

Streaming video of Palin in Erie, PA here!

326 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #244 Mardukhai

Charles can't post your pix, yet. Do you have a blog?

Set up a flickr account. Won't take but a few minutes and you can post a link to it.

327 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:46pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

OT:

still waiting on my people to get back to me. If you knew who I was asking you'd laugh. I'm pulling big strings and they are probably rolling their eyes, but helping anyway.

328 J.S.  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:59:47pm

Another stupid thing going on here is this -- why would that Peter Wallsten in that LA Times article write about the existence of the video tape, if in fact, it was all so hush-hush and "confidential." As I laugh..If the video tape were all that "secret" Peter Wallsten wouldn't have bothered to mention its existence.

329 wolfie  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:05pm

re: #285 Allah al Fubar

Nothing.
If John Smith were elected and then went on a rampage Christmas Eve killing 100 people, I would expect the new Congress to immediately impeach him and for the Senate to convict.
Well, I mean unless he was a Democrat.

330 A Kiwi Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:07pm
331 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:18pm

re: #261 WrathofG-d

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

I went there yesterday when I couldn't log on here and was very alone.

332 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #316 yma o hyd

Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

333 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:26pm

re: #309 vbspurs

THANKS ... I just spit coffee on my keyboard : )

334 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:35pm

re: #316 yma o hyd

Yeah - I hope they have a nice long lie-in and then get ready for the party - to drown their sorrows!
Its a time now to work hard, but very softly, no triumphalism, just get everybody out to vote or check the votes cast.
Above all - every Republican and PUMA must disregard the exit polls!
Its not over until the last vote is cast - but Lizards know that ...


Persons who have not yet voted absolutely should ignore any exit polling. That polling is absolutely worthless, as President Kerry can attest to.

But for persons who have ALREADY voted, who GET polled, its absolutely worth it to tell the pollsters that they have voted for McCain, just to try to level the playing field a little bit.

335 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:43pm

re: #261 WrathofG-d

Wow. These types of questions are way over my pay grade.

Actually in hindsight, Fallback might have been started by a banned individual now that I think about it.

Wasn't fallback set up by Babba and she gave zombie and some other lizards postin privileges?

336 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:00:59pm

"Put the source in jeopardy."

Interesting. What kind of jeopardy? Criminal/Legal jeopardy? Concern for physical harm? Or political fallout that might be damaging to one's career?

The problem the LAT has with its latest excuses for withholding the video from public view is that as buzzsawmonkey notes at 255 above is that the following is not in doubt: (1) there is a video; (2) Obama is on that video; (3) and the description of who attended the event is a who's who of radical leftists. We are left wondering what was actually said and how Obama appears on the video and in what context.

The LAT appears most concerned with what appears on the video, since they refuse to show what it contains.

No way to tell. But in all likelihood, that's suggestive that the person who released the video to the LAT would suffer serious backlash from the Obama campaign - a story in and of itself worthy of further reporting. That's thuggish behavior and an iron-fisted attempt to contain and manage the message - crushing dissent and those who stray off the preordained message.

337 PISSED  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:00pm

re: #312 Oh no...Sand People!

THANKS I will add to favorites and watch...

338 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:12pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

Now, now... that's not so bad. The top of his head screws off (where the hair plugs are plugged in). Peanut butter lies beneath. mmmm Peanut butter!

I'd rather have a Peanut Butter Biden Bar than a Chicago Thug Bar. I've been to several bars in my life. Somehow the Peanut Butter Biden Bar sounds safer than the Chicago Thug Bar.

What say you?

339 lummox  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:14pm

Ya ever think that the L.A.Times is withholding the video to conserve bandwidth? Huh?

/

340 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:16pm

re: #258 Allah al Fubar

Unfortunately not. However, it is still within the ability of the electoral college to mount a challenge to his qualifications to serve. Yes, Berg is a troofer and all the rest, but based on the Indonesian connection, I think 0bama had his citizenship renounced for him.

From Hollander v McCain and RNC pg 11
The Constitution indicates that issues relating to a candidate’s eligibility for the Office of
President rest, in the first instance, with the voters and with the Electoral College, the
constitutionally created body responsible for selecting the President of the United States. See
U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 2 (“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
may direct,” electors for the President and Vice President); id. amend. XXIII, § 1. The
Constitution’s commitment to the Electoral College of the responsibility to select the President
subsumes the authority to decide whether a presidential candidate is qualified for office because
the examination of a candidate’s qualifications is an integral component of the electors’ decisionmaking
process. If a court were to sit in judgment of a candidate’s qualifications before the
Nation has voted, and before the Electoral College has cast its votes, such a judgment could
“inappropriately interfer[e]” with the Electoral College’s constitutional authority to elect the
President and to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates seeking that office. Munoz-Flores,
495 U.S. at 394.

341 arethusa  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:22pm

re: #286 Dublin(CA)Dude

President Biden? OMG!

Yeah, it's like all those people who had the "Impeach Bush" yard signs a few years back. Did they really want President Cheney?

342 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:26pm

re: #281 Son of the Black Dog

I know. I'm the same way. I like Hannity, but Skeletor makes me want to break things. It could be worse, I guess. Hannity could have the Naked Mole Rat James Carville on.

Bleh.

343 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:31pm

re: #331 debutaunt

Yea I've been going back and forth there with all these LGF probs, and was a small man standing alone in a big empty white room.

344 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:03pm

re: #331 debutaunt

I went there yesterday when I couldn't log on here and was very alone.

Babba has her own blog now.

345 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:05pm

Attackers kill at least 61 in northeast India, 12th Ld-Writethru, AS

Officials blamed the largest separatist group, the United Liberation Front of Asom, for the blasts. "The needle of suspicion is on ULFA," said Assam government spokesman Himanta Biswa Sharma.

United Liberation Front of Asom (Wiki)

However, it might have an indirect link in the sense that China wants to keep the North East region a vulnerable one for India. But ULFA reportedly has links with ISI of Pakistan or the Bangladesh establishment

ULFA has a very annoying home page.

Armed national liberation struggle from the clutches of the illegal occupation of India and to establish a sovereign Independent Assam.

[snip]

The struggle for national liberation of Assam never is a seperatist or secessionist movement:

Well that clears that up.

346 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:09pm

re: #185 gmsc

On FOX News this morning, they were discussing this tape, and a guest wondered if anybody thought the tape would be released on Nov. 5th.

One thing they seemed absolutely sure of is that, starting Nov. 5th, the press will suddenly discover Rezko, Wright, the LA Times tape, Yesse Yehudah's $10,000 bribe, and all the other things in 0bama's background, in a pathetic attempt to rebuild trust after the election.

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.

347 Allah al Fubar  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:13pm

re: #327 WrathofG-d


Well God Bless you, Wrath. Luck and prayers.

348 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #295 Ward Cleaver

NHS will cover hair plugs and Botox.

But only for members of the nomenlkatura.

349 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:27pm

re: #335 redstateredneck

I don't know the specifics. However, I believe it was started by babba (who is banned now, yes?).

Maybe that is why noone goes there anymore. Or maybe its because there are so many newbies that they didn't even know about it.

350 Erik The Red  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:28pm

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It seems that I like Cog a lot more than most folks here. Maybe I just don't see the posts that he makes that are so offensive.

I save my anger for the Sandmen of the world.

And JMV.

351 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:32pm

re: #297 jcm

My prediction for the WA Gov. Race:
Rossi wins with enough margin to prevent recount.

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:35pm

re: #334 looking closely

Persons who have not yet voted absolutely should ignore any exit polling. That polling is absolutely worthless, as President Kerry can attest to.

But for persons who have ALREADY voted, who GET polled, its absolutely worth it to tell the pollsters that they have voted for McCain, just to try to level the playing field a little bit.

I haven't voted yet, technically since I have not yet turned in my absentee ballot for WA State yet, but I have been polled and I told them it was "NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!"

353 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:41pm
354 Elcid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:50pm

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Well damn, then that makes it just fine and dandy. Put the nation in "jeopardy"

Then again, this "source" could be selected to go on "jeopardy" and make a pile of money, right?

"source", please make sure your answers are in the form of a question.

355 sammi  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:02:53pm

re: #87 Clio

I think Clio is right that anti-Israel sentiments would not upset all that many people. Much of the Jewish vote is already anti-Zionist and ready to follow the State Department lead on the grounds that to be too pro-Israel would be to offend the upper classes, to whom they look for protection from the mob. In other words, this is the price of "assimilation."
FYI, Lizards, from what I know the orthodox Jews are strongly Republican and do not think that Christian evangelicals are going to destroy science and freedom of religion.

356 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:03:29pm
To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Does he mean that journalistically, or criminally?

Can we assume that this tape makes Obie look bad, and therefore whoever releases it will end up on the bottom of Lake Michigan?

357 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:03:57pm

re: #315 FurryOldGuyJeans

That won't stop the Dems unless there is a MASSIVE margin.

Watch the absentees from Pierce County, Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base.

358 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:02pm

Ok!
Since most here are way smarter than Loader.....
With all the election FRAUD,
Voter fraud
Acorn
Campaign fund FRAUD
Less than reputable associations...
Etc
Etc................What can be done if the Obama IS ellected?

359 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:02pm

"Releasing the video would “put the source in jeopardy?” Is this an admission that there’s something damaging on the tape?"


Seems to be an admission that the people surrounding Obama are dangerous too.

360 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:39pm

re: #290 capitalist piglet

Shit !
Didnt read your post before making mine!

361 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:40pm

re: #302 GreenBear

Well, just suppose, hypothetical-like, we found our own "source" for the tape and we start detailing the really outrageous stuff on the tape (say a tipsy Obama admitting that John McCain would make a great president) and then they have to release the tape so we can see what's really on it? Nah. That’s what the DNC would do…

Sometimes it's no fun being honorable.

/sarc

Biden already said he be proud to be John McCain's vice-president. Back during the primaries.

362 akgoldrush  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:51pm

Has anyone asked if they'd be willing to at least release audio? Got any excuses for that one yet?

363 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:54pm

Just slap "CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET D.O.D." on it and the LA Times' problem is solved. They have no problem releasing state secrets. I find their selective piousness...troubling.

364 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:04:55pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

Once the election is in the bag, there's not a whole lot the voters can do if they are suddenly hit with Buyers Remorse about it. I think it's a given that the Dems are going to hold the House and the Senate at the end of all this. They wouldn't impeach Obama if they caught him sodomizing a sheep in the middle of Yankee Stadium. No matter what the voters want.

If Obama wins next tuesday, it's over for the next two years. We can (hopefully) filibuster in the Senate, but it's going to be one long, cold, dark winter for us in the meantime.

What about the American voters, state for state, get their electors to become 'faithless', and vote against B0 in the electoral college?

Sorry - as you all know, I'm not an American, so i don't know if that is possible or consitutionally legal.

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:02pm

re: #357 jcm

Watch the absentees from Pierce County, Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base.

I am one of those absentees as is my mother, so yeah I always watch closely ever since the Gregoire Affair in 2004.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:21pm
367 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:21pm

re: #349 WrathofG-d

I don't know the specifics. However, I believe it was started by babba (who is banned now, yes?).

Maybe that is why noone goes there anymore. Or maybe its because there are so many newbies that they didn't even know about it.

Babba was the one who put up the links and she has her own blog now. I dont' know if she was banned or if she left on a self imposed exile. Whatever reason, she will not let anyone get away with posting badly about Charles or LGF.

369 gunjam  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #191 Karagush


If the info is REALLY REALLY damaging. The Times may be very afraid what might happen to them if they release it and O wins in a squeaker anyway. And the person who submitted it may fear retribution from any number of people. I am not just talking about being blackballed or friends not talking to you any more. Large amounts of money may have changed hands too.

It goes very badly for Zionist collaborators among the palestinians.

Nobody seems to have considered that angle if this tape is extremely damaging.

I think you are closer to the real reason here.

370 Ward Cleaver[deleted]  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:05:56pm
371 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:02pm

re: #354 Elcid

To break that agreement might put the source of the tape in jeopardy.

Shouldn't we really also be discussing what the heck that means? What type of jeopardy? By whom? Who exactly does Obama hang out with that would scare the pants off the LA Times. Also, seriously if someone could have this much pull over the LA Times, and most likely all other Newspapers/News sources, are we to expect it doesn't happen all the time. This puts the entire news reporting business in question as far as Wrath is concerned.

372 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:03pm

re: #340 Shr_Nfr

Unfortunately not. However, it is still within the ability of the electoral college to mount a challenge to his qualifications to serve. Yes, Berg is a troofer and all the rest, but based on the Indonesian connection, I think 0bama had his citizenship renounced for him.

From Hollander v McCain and RNC pg 11
The Constitution indicates that issues relating to a candidate’s eligibility for the Office of
President rest, in the first instance, with the voters and with the Electoral College, the
constitutionally created body responsible for selecting the President of the United States. See
U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 2 (“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof
may direct,” electors for the President and Vice President); id. amend. XXIII, § 1. The
Constitution’s commitment to the Electoral College of the responsibility to select the President
subsumes the authority to decide whether a presidential candidate is qualified for office because
the examination of a candidate’s qualifications is an integral component of the electors’ decisionmaking
process. If a court were to sit in judgment of a candidate’s qualifications before the
Nation has voted, and before the Electoral College has cast its votes, such a judgment could
“inappropriately interfer[e]” with the Electoral College’s constitutional authority to elect the
President and to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates seeking that office. Munoz-Flores,
495 U.S. at 394.

As a matter of pragmatism, this is a dead end.

This sort of challenge should have been pursued when Obama first announced his candidacy, not now.

Obama's candidacy isn't going to be knocked out at the 11th hour by a legal technicality. There are enough partisan Dems stacking the deck that this simply isn't going to happen, and it would raise all sorts of howling about partisan trickery especially from the media, which is in the tank for Obama.

Further, if he's elected, its effectively too late anyway. You want President Biden?

374 Irish Rose  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:06:43pm

Repeating the question here because I hit the end of the last thread:

Are there any attorneys here who know whether or not the LAT can be formally prosecuted for supressing information that could be critical to our National security?

Message to the LAT:

Go ahead you slimy, smirky assholes... laugh at the voting public. Laugh at your subscribers. Put your nonexistant objectivity and profound lack of journalistic integrity on display right out front, for everyone to see and photograph.

But know this: if Barack Obama is elected due to your partisan negligence - and it is later found out that your supression of this video compromised our national security in some way - Barack Obama is going to be subject to formal impeachment hearings. Immediately, and without delay. And the LA Times will be publicly eviscerated with a severity that you can't even begin to imagine.

Here's something else for you to chew on:

The public will be so outraged at this betrayal from the liberal media that Democrats will be turned out of public office for the next decade, if not longer. And the DNC will have YOU to thank for it.

Keep smirking, assholes.

The FBI is coming. For you.

375 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:07pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

My favorite pro-Rossi ad is the baby in a diaper. Talking about Gregoire being in Olympia for 35 years without a change.

376 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:13pm

re: #360 reloadingisnotahobby

Shit !
Didnt read your post before making mine!

That's okay, yours was probably better! (Didn't see it - things move pretty fast around here.)

377 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:33pm

re: #353 taxfreekiller

Another guess.

Some ones wife did the filming, she passed the tape without the husbans ok, thus she is very well due an honor (****ing) in any event.

Good one.

Another theory: the person who gave it to the LA Times can be picked out by their position in the room, or around the table. Yes, Debbie Schussel is touting the name already, but what if it's not him?

Here is the guest list:

1. Rashid Khalidi (is the main reason this event was held)
2. Arab American Action Network (AAAN, founded by Rashid Khalidi)
3. Barack Obama (who gave a special tribute)
4. Mona Khalidi (Rashid Khalidi’s wife)
5. Local Palestinian Leaders
6. Not In My Name (left wing anti-war group)
7. Ali Abunimah (a Palestinian rights activist in Chicago who helps run Electronic Intifada)
8. Bill Ayers (ex-Weatherman domestic terrorist)
9. Bernadine Dohrn (ex-Weatherman domestic terrorist)
10. Gihad Ali, A poet
11. Richard Daley (Mayor of Chicago)
12. The Sanabel Debka troupe

Problem with dealing with these kind of scum, is that when they get angry, they don't do a background check on you like Ohio officials did on poor Joe W.

They kill you. This is the kind of people Barack Obama willingly associated himself with for 20 years. My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

378 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:36pm

re: #346 Outrider

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.


No, they wont, they wont dare, because the "Fairness Doctrine" will have passed into law by POTUS Obama.

379 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:55pm

re: #346 Outrider

I have no doubt in my mind IF Senator Obama is elected POTUS, the media will immediately start crucifying him. They can't help it, it's like they have a defective gene in their bodies. As soon as someone is built up and gets in the position, works commences immediately to start tearing him down.
They won't find any hypocrisy in this, as it was "other writers" that built him up. This will allow the media to recover their relevancy and their imagined integrity. And except for a few bloggers and conservatives, the public will buy off on it. All of this news that has been on the conservative blogs for over a year now will all of a sudden be "discovered" or the story will be "finished, sorry we didn't get all the facts in time for the election, but a stonewalling effort by the Obama regime was in place-you understand?" And it will probably work.


They didn't "gang up" on Clinton, and there was lots of information available about his serial philandering before the election, before his re-election, and before the Lewinksy scandal.

380 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:07:59pm

re: #321 capitalist piglet

I was speaking to a scenario put forth in the post I answered, not to what I expect to happen. Don't take me for someone who thinks the result is a foregone conclusion, please - I don't.

Good for you cap. Didn't mean to imply I was talkin just to you. It was meant to be a peppy reminder, not a scolding of any sort. :)

381 AmericanMe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:13pm

re: #219 Mardukhai

Huffpost tribute to blogger who murdered her lesbian lover.

It's a big story in Florida.

A tribute for a monster who stabbed another human 220 times? Sheesh! Sick!

382 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:27pm

re: #317 looking closely

I wish him the best of luck.
Its a crowded field, and I've heard the guy. . .he's just not that funny.

He's a disgusting example of the lowest British art form - a comedian drenched in toilet humour.
He's not even funny.

383 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:31pm

re: #374 Irish Rose

Kinda light on 'em, huh Rose?
;-)

384 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:34pm

re: #365 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am one of those absentees as is my mother, so yeah I always watch closely ever since the Gregoire Affair in 2004.

The biggie is Reed's change where Sec. State can step into a county if he perceives a problem, he doesn't have to wait to be invited. His hands were tied in '04 he couldn't step in.

385 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:08:42pm

re: #324 Allah al Fubar

The question remains: If "O" is not yet sworn in, and public outrage and demands force the release of the tape. Is there anything that can be done to keep him from being sworn in?

Once the Electoral College votes, no -- not legally anyway.

386 loppyd  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:03pm

Marathon call w/ client. My ear is on fire.

Now it's time to hit the road.

I'll check in later....

Hope everyone has an enjoyable afternoon!

387 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:15pm

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

No WND stories, please.

Charles?


Why not? Did you read it?

388 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:09:52pm

re: #377 vbspurs

My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?


Daniel Pipes was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about that very thing. Could he get clearance to work for the FBI or CIA? Probably not.

389 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:06pm

re: #385 SFGoth

Once the Electoral College votes, no -- not legally anyway.

Once the House of Reps certifies the Electoral College vote. (Techincal Detail)

390 Mardukhai  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:11pm

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

391 SecondComing  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:33pm

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

Release the pics Charles! What are you hiding? That's not a plausible excuse. Protest protest! /

392 Outrider  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:38pm

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

Question:
Is everyone so sure this tape would make the difference?
With only hours to go, should maybe the focus be elsewhere?
just askin'

Again you are assuming people are incapable of multi-tasking.

393 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:41pm

re: #380 midwestgak

Good for you cap. Didn't mean to imply I was talkin just to you. It was meant to be a peppy reminder, not a scolding of any sort. :)

Thank you, midwest. We can win this - I really believe we can. The voter fraud is the only thing that concerns me, since Ohio looks too corrupt to win - I just would like to know what can be done about it, because no American should be forced to accept what is going on there.

394 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:43pm

re: #332 vbspurs

I am very very humble right now. I feel that McCain-Palin will do wildly better than predicted, but I am approaching this as 4/10, 10 yard line, 0:03 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. You got one pass for the endzone. NO INTERCEPTIONS.

Like the metaphore. Updinged ya.

395 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:49pm

re: #378 A Kiwi Infidel

No, they wont, they wont dare, because the "Fairness Doctrine" will have passed into law by POTUS Obama.

The Fairness Doctrine was created before the internet. Most talk shows are streamed online. It's not as convenient as radio, but doesn't suffer from the same bandwith limitations that the guv uses to justify regulating content.

396 looking closely  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:10:53pm

re: #374 Irish Rose

The FBI is coming. For you.


I don't see it.

First of all, if Obama wins, he controls the FBI. He's not going to be investigated, and he's going to make sure the FBI isn't working on digging up dirt on him personally.

Next, I don't see how you can make ANY "national security" issue of out this. Obama, BEFORE ELECTED PRESIDENT, approved of some anti-Israel remarks? How is that a national security issue? I don't get it.

397 jcm  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:09pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

Media Astroturfing.

398 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:19pm

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I hope you're right - there are so many anti-Rossi ads right now, dominating TV and radio - but he landed a great punch with the video of Gregoire calling for a state income tax (looked like it was more behind closed doors), then saying she wasn't for one (looked like it was in one of her ads) - pretty devastating to her, I would think.

Above all, people will remember why she's there in the first place...election theft. So I tend to agree with you.

If you can, you should turn Dori's show on right now. He is on FIRE, talking about the ads the Democrats are running on his show, and how they're lies about Rossi, and he doesn't care what happens to his career for saying so...he is ANGRY.

The amount of ads has a great potential of backfiring on Gregoire, and the multiple recount issue is not going away.

The income tax is probably going to be her worst obstacle to overcome as the voters here keep rejecting it every time it comes up, especially her call for a "partial income tax". There is nothing partial about it; either one's income is taxed at the state level or it isn't.

399 faraway  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #341 arethusa

Yeah, it's like all those people who had the "Impeach Bush" yard signs a few years back. Did they really want President Cheney?

Is it time to start making "Impeach Obama" signs?

400 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:27pm

re: #377 vbspurs

This is the kind of people Barack Obama willingly associated himself with for 20 years. My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

IMHO one of the flaws of Obama the man is an inability to detect evil. These sorts of people have a stink about them that drives most good people away.

But Obama? He seems to be attracted to them.

Not a qualification to be president in a world with real evil to defend against.

God help our country if Obama is elected.

401 WrathofG-d  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:11:31pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

Why make this story up then? What benefit is there to the LA times?

402 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:03pm

re: #388 redstateredneck

Daniel Pipes was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about that very thing. Could he get clearance to work for the FBI or CIA? Probably not.

I already have posed this question to a liberal friend. She countered by asking if Todd Palin would pass one, having been a member of a secessionist party. I told her, he sent his boy to fight in Iraq for America. Is that patriotic enough for you?

You can imagine her reaction.

403 SFGoth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:05pm

re: #390 Mardukhai

My investigative reporter's nose is now telling me that the tape doesn't really exist.

Why?

According to Debbie Schlussel (and Politico), the original story was plagerized -- no attribution -- which means that the Times reporter had no access to the source.

Typical Times reporting.

Hahahahahaha - give 'em the Washington Post prize for excellence in fiction masquerading as journalism. (Some of you "old" folks from the D.C. area may know what I'm talking about.) I kinda suspected the same.

404 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:20pm

re: #156 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From posts up-thread -- cblesz took photos and sent them to Charles, who's holding them to keep bandwidth requirements down.

Thanks! I hope we get to see them - it would be cool if some of those Times employees were on video, too.

405 Athos  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #377 vbspurs

My God, would he even pass his own administration's national security check?

Not likely.

Doesn't that answer a few questions about the annointed one.

406 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:37pm

In 2004 here in little old Dublin California, the whole week before the election saw crowds at all the major intersections in town supporting J. Kerry (he carried Dublin 51-49). This election year, there has been no one out rallying for Obama. In 2004 there were Kerry lawnsigns all over town. This year, not a single one for Obama, and I've been all over town looking for them. There are about the same number of McCain lawnsigns as there were Bush lawnsigns in 2004 (although they are posted very high up, usually on palm trees where they can't be reached without a ladder). I don't care what the MSM says, there is no enthusiasm that I can detect for Obama in a town that Kerry narrowly carried four years ago.

My gut tells we that the polls are not reflecting what people are actually thinking and I believe the American people will have the good sense to reject this inexperienced and anti-American candidate. The LAT staffers are going to wake up on 11/5 and wonder what hit them.

407 vbspurs  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:12:59pm

re: #394 midwestgak

Like the metaphore. Updinged ya.

Thanks! Go Fins! Oops, did I just court my first downding? ;)

408 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:13:03pm