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Washington Post Stands Up For Rashid Khalidi

Politics | Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:18:27 am PDT

An editorial in the Washington Post springs to the defense of former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi, dismissing Khalidi’s radicalism and ridiculing the McCain campaign for mentioning Barack Obama’s long association with him: An ‘Idiot Wind’.

If you need one more example of how the mainstream media are completely in the tank for Obama, this is it. The editorial repeats Obama campaign talking points and Khalidi’s evasions word for word.

WITH THE presidential campaign clock ticking down, Sen. John McCain has suddenly discovered a new boogeyman to link to Sen. Barack Obama: a sometimes controversial but widely respected Middle East scholar named Rashid Khalidi. In the past couple of days, Mr. McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, have likened Mr. Khalidi, the director of a Middle East institute at Columbia University, to neo-Nazis; called him “a PLO spokesman”; and suggested that the Los Angeles Times is hiding something sinister by refusing to release a videotape of a 2003 dinner in honor of Mr. Khalidi at which Mr. Obama spoke.

Saying that the McCain campaign “likened Khalidi to neo-Nazis” is a blatant distortion, of course. McCain raised a hypothetical case to illustrate the bias of the media, saying: “I’m not in the business about talking about media bias but what if there was a tape with John McCain with a neo-Nazi outfit being held by some media outlet. I think the treatment of the issue would be slightly different.” And sure enough, as if to prove McCain’s point, today the Washington Post is distorting the statement.

Is it surprising to see the Post deny and distort like this? Not really. They’ve had a serious problem distinguishing terrorists and their shills from ordinary citizens for quite a long time. Here are just a few of the terrorists and/or terror apologists who’ve been granted access to the Washington Post’s op-ed pages recently:

Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual leader of Hezbollah.
Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar.
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
Deported Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook.

Also see:
Soccer Dad: Running interference for rashid.

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1 Lumpy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:20:28am

Time Magazine's Michael Kinsley's Most Stupid Quote of the Day

Check out the video in this post of the disabled Iraq veteran handing Obama his head on a plate. Awe inspiring.

2 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:20:35am

Someone on the last thread said that the Post's revenues are down 86%. With this kind of story, they have only themselves to blame.

3 littleoldlady  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:21:35am

Where's doppleganglander? How much did you say the WaPo's profits go down? 86%?

The Washington Post - Official Newspaper for the PLO.

4 Outrider  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:21:44am

fresh meat

5 joncelli  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:22:37am

They'll stop being advocates and start being journalists right after The Messiah is elected. Well, soon thereafter. Well, maybe in a couple years. Well,...

6 littleoldlady  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:22:55am

re: #2 arethusa

Ah. Revenues.

/shoulda figured that. There ARE no profits! ;-)

7 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:22:57am

The WaPo gets to stay on Obama's plane.

BTW, Rush led off with Iowahawk today. Way cool.

Speaking of Rush, wabcradio.com is down. Anyone have another station link I can get the show with?

8 dhg4  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:23:01am

Charles,

Thanks for using this and the link!

I didn't know what the neo-Nazi line was about. That's an incredible distortion.

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:23:15am
suggested that the Los Angeles Times is hiding something sinister by refusing to release a videotape of a 2003 dinner in honor of Mr. Khalidi at which Mr. Obama spoke.

Well- if it's on the up and up, why hide it?

Gee- maybe because there's something worth hiding?

10 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:23:17am

The Washington Post did not want to get Kicked off of Obama's Plane.

11 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:23:17am

Aren't they also the owners of the LAT?

12 PAgirlinNC  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:24:14am

If The One somehow pulls out a win on Tuesday, it will be the mainstream media's fault.

13 Spellcheck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:24:26am

I wish John and Sarah had called out Obama directly over this.

I also wish WaPo a new speed to their downward spiral.

14 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:24:27am
15 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:24:40am

Y'know, Tom Kratmans "State of Disobedience" is beginning to look more real all the time....

PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET

NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN

**Exclusive**

The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.

MORE

Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.

After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.

16 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:24:54am

Nothing gives you moral authority like quoting Bob Dylan in your title. *eyeroll*

17 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:25:05am

Social Promotion.

18 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:25:23am

re: #11 MandyManners

Aren't they also the owners of the LAT?

No, the LAT is owned by the Tribune Company.

19 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:25:51am

re: #16 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Nothing gives you moral authority like quoting Bob Dylan in your title. *eyeroll*

Especially since Dylan is a Zionist.

Really.

20 pat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:25:52am

Alan Colmes last night seemed totally unaware that the PLO was a terrorist group.

21 PAgirlinNC  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:25:54am

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

conservative talk radio stations

A lizard posted this awhile back - a great site.

22 joncelli  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:26:19am

Charles, do you remember what the subject of the 5000-comment thread was? I'm wracking my brains and drawing a blank.

23 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:26:48am

I'm not registered at the WaPo so I can't read the first link to it.

24 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:11am
But to compare the professor to neo-Nazis -- or even to Mr. Ayers -- is a vile smear.

Wait- what? I though ayers was a respected professor! These people really are capable of having it both ways.

Oh- and nevermind that ayers was at the dinner the la times is hiding the video of as well.

25 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:18am

Is Khalidi alright because he is their anti-Semite? Has the American public even been listening to what Obama has been saying? Are they aware of Khalidi and Ayers? I feel like everyone has been blocking their ears and covering their eyes as they march off a cliff.
If the worst should happen and Obama is president, who will be blamed for the radical changes that will cripple America? I just hope that the changes are so severe that not even the press or Hollywood could defend Obama anymore. They looked the other way when he defended infanticide and mollifying terrorists and bullies. They won't forgive him when their own paycheques are in jeopardy.

26 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #11 MandyManners

Aren't they also the owners of the LAT?

A guy named Sam Zell owns the LAT, right?

27 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:31am

I saw a photo in the NY Daily News today with Bill Clinton standing behind and below a speaking Obama. He is looking up adoringly and the photo catches Clinton in mid-clap. It looks like he is holding his hands together in prayer and is praying to Obama for salvation.

Strangely, they don't have it on their website.

28 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:33am

Rush is very optimistic today about McCain's cances on Tuesday.

29 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:40am

The newspaper wagons are circling.....

30 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:43am

re: #18 arethusa

No, the LAT is owned by the Tribune Company.

When TFK and I were looking into the ownership, I could've sworn it was the WaPo. Hold on. Gonna' check the California SoS site.

31 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:27:58am

re: #15 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days...

Bring in Lena Reifenstahl! Yea.

32 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:28:23am

"...hiding something sinister by refusing to release..."

Yes, they made themselves look bad, deceptive, biased, and cowardly for not releasing the tape.

Just like obama looks deceptive and cowardly for not releasing his many personal records related to his schooling and time in the senate.

33 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:28:31am

re: #15 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Y'know, Tom Kratmans "State of Disobedience" is beginning to look more real all the time....

PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET

NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN

**Exclusive**

The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.

MORE

Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.

After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.

Essence and Jet are power players? Since when?

34 pat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:28:57am

A recent media report stated that Newsweak was on the verge of collapse.

35 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #20 pat

Alan Colmes last night seemed totally unaware that the PLO was a terrorist group.

I came across a copy of the PLO manifesto at a yard sale once. The first sentence was something like, "Israel must be annihilated at all costs." They never changed it, not through multiple peace negotiations. Arafat would say pro-peace sentiments in an English speech, then in an Arabic speech return to the old anti-Israel sentiments.

36 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:29:07am
37 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:29:27am
To further argue that the Times, which obtained the tape from a source in exchange for a promise not to publicly release it, is trying to hide something is simply ludicrous, as Mr. McCain surely knows.

There's that talking point again. Still not buying it.

38 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:29:27am

This amazing sentence from that article in the WaPo struck me:

"Perhaps unsurprising for a member of academia, Mr. Khalidi holds complex views."

Yeah, right, being an academic excuses sooo many things, especially 'complex views' in regard to pali terrorists.
See, us folk not living in academia are just too stupid to grasp all those complex nuances, unlike the big 0 ...

Gah!

39 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:30:40am

re: #30 MandyManners

Corporation
LOS ANGELES TIMES -- WASHINGTON POST NEWS SERVICE, INC.
Number: C0975720 Date Filed: 2/19/1980 Status: active
Jurisdiction: DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Address

Agent for Service of Process
CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE

[Link: kepler.sos.ca.gov...]

40 lionfromzion  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:30:47am

I really hate these people! But I have faith America will reject this Marxist.

41 DistantThunder  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:31:27am

If I say I won't vote for Obama because of his byzantine tax policy - do I get credit for holding "complex views"?

42 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:31:37am

Not exactly a persuasive essay, eh? This was just another ridiculous example of the WaPo preaching to the choir. Or wailing out a call to prayer for its faithful, as it were. I mourn the trees that died to make this morning's edition.

43 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:31:54am

re: #30 MandyManners

When TFK and I were looking into the ownership, I could've sworn it was the WaPo. Hold on. Gonna' check the California SoS site.

Stop Big Media has a list of all the major companies and their holdings.

Kind of scary, how the press has become so centralized. Not what the Founders wanted.

44 Pyrocles  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:32:06am

Damnit... Our lunchroom is full of engineers mocking McCain's desperate "rumor-monging" of Obama first being a "terrorist", then a "Marxist", then a "Socialist"...

All so funny... Hahahaha... /sigh

For engineers, these guys aren't very bright.

45 phil flavin  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:32:10am

re: #20 pat

Alan Colmes last night seemed totally unaware that the PLO was a terrorist group.

The list of things that Colmes is unaware of will not fit on the internet!

46 pbird  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:32:28am

re: #20 pat

Alan Colmes last night seemed totally unaware that the PLO was a terrorist group.

Nah, he knows.

47 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:32:58am

re: #39 MandyManners

So Stop Big Media is wrong, then. Ignore my 45.

48 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:33:17am

re: #40 lionfromzion

I really hate these people! But I have faith America will reject this Marxist.

I am with you. I am becoming more hopeful that America is smarter than this. I don't think we'll be swindled by this marxist. But there will be a lot of work to do to ensure conservatism roots out and votes out the Democrat Socialist Party. Obama needs to go but so do Reid, Pelosi, Murtha and the rest of their ilk.

49 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:33:19am

It's fake balance.

The Washington Post supports terrorism against Israel. (Or at least supports supporters of terrorism).

As Wrath always makes clear, this is not a Jewish/Israeli issue, it's a terrorism issue.

Yet the Washed Up Post cannot get itself out of the leftist box of having to "balance" any support of Israel with the support of Palestinian (terror).

Of course they would support any Taliban "scholar" that was socially promoted to a university position in any of the far lefts ivory towers.

Take the LA Times for example.

They claim that releasing the tape would put their source in danger, yet they have no problem with the release of information on classified national security programs that put our soldiers, intellegence officers, leaders, and CITIZENS OF THE US, in mortal danger.

50 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:33:25am

re: #3 littleoldlady

Where's doppleganglander? How much did you say the WaPo's profits go down? 86%?

The Washington Post PLOst- Official Newspaper for the PLO.

Fixed that for ya'

51 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:33:44am

re: #38 yma o hyd

This amazing sentence from that article in the WaPo struck me:

"Perhaps unsurprising for a member of academia, Mr. Khalidi holds complex views."

Yeah, right, being an academic excuses sooo many things, especially 'complex views' in regard to pali terrorists.
See, us folk not living in academia are just too stupid to grasp all those complex nuances, unlike the big 0 ...

Gah!


"Complex", in this case, being any rationalization of terrorism.

If you think it "might" be OK to kill kids and women with bombs in public places, then you have a "complex" view of terrorism.

(As opposed to the rest of us simpletons who believe pre-meditated murder of random people is "wrong").

More to the point, I don't think Mr. Khalidi's views diverge in any significant way from the PLO/Palestinian party line. They're rather simple, in fact: Get rid of Israel.

52 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:05am

re: #43 arethusa

Stop Big Media has a list of all the major companies and their holdings.

Kind of scary, how the press has become so centralized. Not what the Founders wanted.

The California SoS shows different.

As for centralized ownership, I believe it was the Reagan Administration that allowed that.

53 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:07am

re: #23 MandyManners

I'm not registered at the WaPo so I can't read the first link to it.

Go to the link for 'soccerdad' - he gives another link in his article which gets you there - I was not going to subscribe to the WaPo either!

54 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:10am

re: #7 JammieWearingFool
I believe you can listen to Rush via the radio link at his official site.

55 littleoldlady  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:18am

re: #41 DistantThunder

If I say I won't vote for Obama because of his byzantine tax policy - do I get credit for holding "complex views"?

RACIST!

56 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #40 lionfromzion

I really hate these people! But I have faith America will reject this Marxist.

I doubt it. It appears that a majority of Americans want a Euro-styled socialist. Can't deny the facts.

I think McCain still may win, but even if he doesn't, this election has had the positive effect of exposing a lot of what has been lurking on the left.

The enemy has come out of the closet. Education, media, far left democrats and foreign players are all part of the problem.

57 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:19am

there are so many boogeymen associated w/ obama.
when will it be enough.
what is the number necessary for people to at least begin to suspect that a person surrounded by only haters, thugs, commies and crooks may also be tainted.
or in fact a true undesirable himself.
the msm has given obama an open pass on everything and everyone.
they are such derelicts. they are the main stream shills.
scum.

58 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:37am

OT:

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Reposting Kenneth's link from the previous thread ... I also posted it in the links under "Politics." This message from Fred Thompson deserves wide play. Send it to every undecided voter and Obama supporter you know and post it everywhere. Send it to McCain supporters too so they understand the stakes and get their butts to the polls.

Fred gets it, and he says it all here.

59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:34:38am
60 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #44 Pyrocles

Damnit... Our lunchroom is full of engineers mocking McCain's desperate "rumor-monging" of Obama first being a "terrorist", then a "Marxist", then a "Socialist"...

All so funny... Hahahaha... /sigh

For engineers, these guys aren't very bright.


The Marxist shoe fits Obama the best, IMO.

We have 400 years of Economic History since Adam Smit published The Wealth of Nations. All of that history tells us that Obama's ideas will result in disaster. Because he speaks well, however, maybe all that history is wrong. I doubt it, but maybe.

61 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:36:52am

re: #29 Russkilitlover

The newspaper wagons are circling.....

That's to be expected just before they go down the drain.

62 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:15am

re: #47 arethusa

So Stop Big Media is wrong, then. Ignore my 45.

That link is all I can find about it.

63 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:22am
But to compare the professor to neo-Nazis -- or even to Mr. Ayers -- is a vile smear.

Seriously- this fascinates me. So, now comparing someone to ayers is a vile smear? When did this happen?

And what does it mean that 0bama launched his political career in the living room of a man who, when others are compared to him, is a vile comparison?

64 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #61 CyanSnowHawk

That's to be expected just before they go down the drain.

HA!

65 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #53 yma o hyd

Go to the link for 'soccerdad' - he gives another link in his article which gets you there - I was not going to subscribe to the WaPo either!

Thanks!

66 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:44am

They should stop talking over the heads of the populations of the Mid-East as if they, there in their offices in Washington, know better than the people who actually live in these places.

Maybe they should speak to some Leb Christians and ask them who took their country away from them.

67 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:47am
Sadly, that wind is likely to keep blowing for four more days.


Then what? Silence?

68 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:48am

OT, but OMG.....OMG

69 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:52am

re: #41 DistantThunder

If I say I won't vote for Obama because of his byzantine tax policy - do I get credit for holding "complex views"?

Only if you're an academic, living in the ivory towers of academia!

70 varmint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:37:53am

okay, i'm having this guy throw a few things back at me. he says mccain funded a group called the center for palestinian research and studies. the figure of $400,000 was thrown about. it's all over the left wing blogs. i need someone here to tell me the truth, if any, behind this.

71 zato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:38:09am

"Widely respected Middle East scholar." Thats a joke. Widely respected in the lefty, anti-American circles perhaps.
Its troubling that higher education institutions of our country recruit these "professors" with solid ties to terrorist organizations. I wonder if anyone other than possibly a government organization has compiled and made public a list of colleges & shady professors with ties to terrorist outfits and such.
Do we really need our youth to be influenced by these anti-American elements?

72 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:38:37am

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

I doubt it. It appears that a majority of Americans want a Euro-styled socialist. Can't deny the facts.


How did you come up with that "fact"? The polls?

Even assuming that Obama's supposed leads are real (and I think there is good reason to be skeptical), that doesn't necessarily translate into a wholesale acceptance of Obama's positions by the American public.

If Americans REALLY wanted what Obama was selling, in this bad economic time, after eight years of the most maligned Presidential administration this generation, he'd be up by 10 points.

As it is, at BEST he's up by a narrow majority, and I think its fair to say that because of media malfeasance, at least a significant part of the electorate doesn't even know Obama's platform (let alone agree with it).

73 redstateredneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:38:59am

I don't care who it is: Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi - Obama always says, "(fill in the blank) is not a member of my campaign or one of my advisors". Nobody said they were. It's your judgement of who you associate with, Barry.

74 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:39:03am

re: #63 Sharmuta

Seriously- this fascinates me. So, now comparing someone to ayers is a vile smear? When did this happen?

And what does it mean that 0bama launched his political career in the living room of a man who, when others are compared to him, is a vile comparison?

LOL! They should have proofed their sentences for context. Must be a Freudian slip.

75 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:39:06am

re: #68 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but OMG.....OMG

It's Allah's will
/

76 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:39:14am

re: #44 Pyrocles

Damnit... Our lunchroom is full of engineers mocking McCain's desperate "rumor-monging" of Obama first being a "terrorist", then a "Marxist", then a "Socialist"...

All so funny... Hahahaha... /sigh

For engineers, these guys aren't very bright.

Architects have to know a little bit about every subject. Engineers, however, have to know everything about one subject. The one subject, in this case, doesn't appear to be democracy.

77 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:39:20am

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

The WaPo gets to stay on Obama's plane.

BTW, Rush led off with Iowahawk today. Way cool.

Speaking of Rush, wabcradio.com is down. Anyone have another station link I can get the show with?

was able to pick it up at KMOX

my local station WLS is also down. I think they are part of the ABC network.

78 saylorfam  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:39:45am

Has anybody else seen this? Speculation that last nights Earthquakes in Iran may not in fact have been Earthquakes>?

[Link: israelinsider.ning.com...]

79 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:40:12am

re: #62 MandyManners

That link is all I can find about it.

I think the SOS entry may just be a news service set up to feed stories from the two larger papers to smaller, local papers. Either way, however, they're in bed with each other. And how.

80 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:40:15am

re: #73 redstateredneck

I don't care who it is: Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi - Obama always says, "(fill in the blank) is not a member of my campaign or one of my advisors". Nobody said they were. It's your judgement of who you associate with, Barry.

Didn't Obama describe Wright as his "spiritual mentor" in his autobiography?

81 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:40:24am

re: #44 Pyrocles

Damnit... Our lunchroom is full of engineers mocking McCain's desperate "rumor-monging" of Obama first being a "terrorist", then a "Marxist", then a "Socialist"...

All so funny... Hahahaha... /sigh

For engineers, these guys aren't very bright.

The Engineers here tend towards McCain. But, then again, I am at a major defense contractor. Some of our jobs depend on it.

82 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:02am

And it's social promotion of the Pali professors.

Why is it that all Mid-East dept heads or profs have to be Palestinian?

There are 23 Arab states.

It's to socially promote them as the "new Jews."

It's a ruse, just like the ruse of a seperate Palestinian "culture" or "society" distinct from the Ummah.

They should read the PLO charter and the Pali Dec of Independence.

83 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:28am
84 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:36am

re: #78 saylorfam

Has anybody else seen this? Speculation that last nights Earthquakes in Iran may not in fact have been Earthquakes>?

[Link: israelinsider.ning.com...]

That is very frightening.

85 redstateredneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:37am

re: #77 alien_mind

was able to pick it up at KMOX

my local station WLS is also down. I think they are part of the ABC network.

Thanks! I'm Rushless!

86 thedopefishlives  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:39am

re: #81 CyanSnowHawk

The Engineers here tend towards McCain. But, then again, I am at a major defense contractor. Some of our jobs depend on it.

The engineers here talk about hoping for change. I'm not sure if they're serious or not, they're a hard bunch to read. Given that I live in a heavily liberal state, though, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone here pulled the lever for the Big Zero on Tuesday. *sigh*

87 gymnast  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:44am

The media is leading a left wing coup de tat and after next Wednesday we will know if they have been successful. If they are, your First Amendment rights won't be worth shit and you had better exercise your Second amendment rights during the little time available before the 16th of January.

88 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:41:55am

re: #78 saylorfam

Has anybody else seen this? Speculation that last nights Earthquakes in Iran may not in fact have been Earthquakes>?

[Link: israelinsider.ning.com...]

If true, then it's too late. Civilization is done for.

89 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:42:39am

re: #80 looking closely

Didn't Obama describe Wright as his "spiritual mentor" in his autobiography?

He also called Cornel West a "genius" and an "oracle"; West is currently the honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America, a self-described "radical democrat".

90 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:42:45am

re: #41 DistantThunder

If I say I won't vote for Obama because of his byzantine tax policy - do I get credit for holding "complex views"?

Everybody knows that the word "byzantine" is a code word for "black".

/

91 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:42:58am

re: #68 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but OMG.....OMG

A Pakistan Human Rights Commission official, Hina Gillani, said the maximum possible punishment for the parents was one month in jail and a fine of just over $10.

$10!
That'll teach 'em!

92 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:23am

re: #70 varmint

okay, i'm having this guy throw a few things back at me. he says mccain funded a group called the center for palestinian research and studies. the figure of $400,000 was thrown about. it's all over the left wing blogs. i need someone here to tell me the truth, if any, behind this.

It's been covered extensively in previous threads. McCain was on a board of a group that gave money to Khalidi's group (and probably wasn't personally aware of the connection), but that's very different from associating with the man closely and attending a dinner in his honor where questionable things were said.

The left-wing blogs are desperate to rebut the charge against Obama, and therefore equate the two things, when they are not anywhere near the same.

93 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:27am

Hot Air Headlines.....
The Economist endorses Obama: America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world


....the Candidate McCain of the past six months has too often seemed the victim of political sorcery, his good features magically inverted, his bad ones exaggerated. The fiscal conservative who once tackled Mr Bush over his unaffordable tax cuts now proposes not just to keep the cuts, but to deepen them. The man who denounced the religious right as “agents of intolerance” now embraces theocratic culture warriors. The campaigner against ethanol subsidies (who had a better record on global warming than most Democrats) came out in favour of a petrol-tax holiday.
....
Mr McCain has never been particularly interested in economics, but, unlike Mr Obama, he has made little effort to catch up or to bring in good advisers (Doug Holtz-Eakin being the impressive exception).

The choice of Sarah Palin epitomised the sloppiness. It is not just that she is an unconvincing stand-in, nor even that she seems to have been chosen partly for her views on divisive social issues, notably abortion. Mr McCain made his most important appointment having met her just twice.

94 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:33am

re: #12 PAgirlinNC

If The One somehow pulls out a win on Tuesday, it will be the mainstream media's fault.


Oh, yeah, that's the unvarnished truth. It will be something of a surprise if McCain wins given all the advantages that Obama has. Practically unlimited funds, free good press in virtually every newspaper/news show, etc.

It is appalling that the American Electorate is allowing this radical Leftist to be even close to winning. It can't be that they don't know of all BHO's problems. It is just that they don't care. They have been told that it doesn't mean anything, and they believe it. They've bought into the BHO Cult of Personality. Their Messiah is going to make everything right.

Even the French will like us again. I mean, aren't you concerned about whether or not the French like us? I'm thinking rat's ass. As in an "I don't give a rat's ass" about what the Frogs think.

95 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:34am

re: #68 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but OMG.....OMG

Okay. Is it bad that my first thought on this was 'at least the groom is less than 30 years older than the bride?'

96 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:44am

re: #70 varmint

okay, i'm having this guy throw a few things back at me. he says mccain funded a group called the center for palestinian research and studies. the figure of $400,000 was thrown about. it's all over the left wing blogs. i need someone here to tell me the truth, if any, behind this.

The relationship is tangental on both sides.

McCain Chaired a group called "GOP for Democracy" or something like that.

This group gave some cash to a Palastinian group (which Kalidi was a member of) for the explicit purpose of doing some polling work in the run-up of the Palastenian election. Quite different than giving cash to the PLO.

97 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:49am

re: #21 PAgirlinNC

conservative talk radio stations

A lizard posted this awhile back - a great site.

Thanks. Picked up another outlet.

98 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:43:51am

re: #72 looking closely

How did you come up with that "fact"? The polls?

Even assuming that Obama's supposed leads are real (and I think there is good reason to be skeptical), that doesn't necessarily translate into a wholesale acceptance of Obama's positions by the American public.

If Americans REALLY wanted what Obama was selling, in this bad economic time, after eight years of the most maligned Presidential administration this generation, he'd be up by 10 points.

As it is, at BEST he's up by a narrow majority, and I think its fair to say that because of media malfeasance, at least a significant part of the electorate doesn't even know Obama's platform (let alone agree with it).

Maybe I should have said "cannot deny what I have been told." The Obama supporters I have spoken to are well aware of his "socialistic" tendencies, and they are welcoming the "change."

And I won't let anyone off the hook just because they don't "know Obama's platform (let alone agree with it)" If he is elected, they are still responsible for what happens.

99 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:44:01am

re: #68 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but OMG.....OMG

I was about to put that in the spinoff links. Disgusting.

100 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:44:01am

FINALLY, the Sirhan Sirhan thing is getting out there - Rush is talking about it now.

101 gymnast  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:44:47am

re: #88 Tigger2005

If true, then it's too late. Civilization is done for.

If they were not earthquakes, our satellites would have picked it up in a heartbeat.

102 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:44:59am

I'm listening to Rush on wabcradio now. Have been since noon. Try again.

103 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:45:02am

re: #78 saylorfam

A poster brought this up the other day...and it's been discounted. There are ways of knowing what causes an earth tremor...there are different seismic wave-forms for "natural" vs "atomic" -- earth scientists can discern the difference. And, it was a naturally occurring earthquake...

104 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:45:51am

re: #96 DeafDog

The relationship is tangental on both sides.

McCain Chaired a group called "GOP for Democracy" or something like that.

This group gave some cash to a Palastinian group (which Kalidi was a member of) for the explicit purpose of doing some polling work in the run-up of the Palastenian election. Quite different than giving cash to the PLO.

Also very different from sitting around, laughing and yucking it up with people at an event that has been described at a "Jew bash".

105 redstateredneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:46:22am

re: #80 looking closely

Didn't Obama describe Wright as his "spiritual mentor" in his autobiography?

Yes, and I believe he was listed on his website until the tapes came out.

106 Pyrocles  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:46:29am

Me too; I'm in NY, which is going Obama no matter what. One of the engineers actually has a Hillary sticker on his cubicle. I've actually worked at defense contractors in the past, and yes, the engineers there were always patriotic Republicans. This print company, though...very Liberal.

re: #86 thedopefishlives

The engineers here talk about hoping for change. I'm not sure if they're serious or not, they're a hard bunch to read. Given that I live in a heavily liberal state, though, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone here pulled the lever for the Big Zero on Tuesday. *sigh*

107 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:46:50am

re: #70 varmint

okay, i'm having this guy throw a few things back at me. he says mccain funded a group called the center for palestinian research and studies. the figure of $400,000 was thrown about. it's all over the left wing blogs. i need someone here to tell me the truth, if any, behind this.

apparently kalidi's group wrote a GRANT to get a GRANT from McCain's group.
When you write a GRANT for GRANT money, you basically write the GRANT to the specs the Grant Committee require. I would want to actually see the GRANT application kalidi's group wrote.

108 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:46:50am

The PLO's Professor - June 8,1982, the NYTarticle identified Khalidi as "a director of the Palestinian press agency, Wafa."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just a reminder from LGF

109 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:47:26am

WaPo is trying to change the direction of the issue. The central issue is "What did Obama say at that dinner?" The "complex views" of Prof. Khalidi is not the real issue.

I watched a video of a speech Khalidi gave in 2007. He did indeed have "complex views" on the Palestinian issue. He was critical of Fatah for it's corruption & incompetence. He called the Hamas charter "a despicable document". But his chief complaint against all Palestinian "resistance groups" was their failure to work together to achieve Palestinian statehood & an end to "Israeli occupation". He was outspoken in his condemnation of Israeli "occupation" of Palestine which he says has been going on for 60 years. He does not recognize Israel's right to exist. He was also sharply critical of US policy towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, claiming the Bush admin had deliberately stokes civil war among the Palestinians.

Yes, I would say those are complex views.

Now what did Obama say?

110 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:47:29am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Sorry. Had to down ding ya based on content

111 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:47:54am

re: #86 thedopefishlives

The engineers here talk about hoping for change. I'm not sure if they're serious or not, they're a hard bunch to read. Given that I live in a heavily liberal state, though, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone here pulled the lever for the Big Zero on Tuesday. *sigh*

/In my best Obi-Wan voice
Courage, young paduwan, The One has not won yet. Do not overlook the PUMA hordes, nor the effect of Bradley.

112 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:48:03am

re: #108 Ben Hur

The PLO's Professor - June 8,1982, the NYTarticle identified Khalidi as "a director of the Palestinian press agency, Wafa."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just a reminder from LGF

That must have been another Rashid Khalidi. Yeah, that's the ticket!

113 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:48:05am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Hot Air Headlines.....
The Economist endorses Obama: America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world

Yeah, well ...
There's this nice aphorism (and i cannot remember who said it first ot where I heard it first, sorry, Lizards!)

'Economists have been invented to make weather forecasters look good.'

So, after the last days/weeks/months of economic turbulence not foreseen or pooh-pooh'd by those fabulous economic minds, I'd just laugh at what they feel entitled to say about McCain and Palin!

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:48:19am

The righteous cause and holy innocence of the peace-loving Palestinian freedom fighters transcends ... uh ... transcends ... well ... er ... um ... reality!

/yeah, that's it ... damn, forgot the mantra there for a moment

115 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:48:55am

re: #72 looking closely

If Americans REALLY wanted what Obama was selling, in this bad economic time, after eight years of the most maligned Presidential administration this generation, he'd be up by 10 points.

As it is, at BEST he's up by a narrow majority, and I think its fair to say that because of media malfeasance, at least a significant part of the electorate doesn't even know Obama's platform (let alone agree with it).

If not for the only 30-day old fiscal crisis, Senator Government wouldn't have a rats chance. This is an anomaly that will never happen again. Not in capitalist America.

116 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:02am

re: #110 DeafDog

That's Ok, I get plenty of dings these days. I don't hold a grudge.

117 Daisy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:04am

Can anyone give me some insight about what Olberman (in his apropos pink tie) was ranting about on MSNBC re: McCain's 'contribution' ($400 some thousand) to Khalidi? I trust it's a distortion. What's the straight dope?

118 The Archivist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:09am

Frodo lives!

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

119 redstateredneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:09am

re: #102 jemima

I'm listening to Rush on wabcradio now. Have been since noon. Try again.

I looked at that and my mind read wab cradio and I was thinking, WTF?
:D

120 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:36am

An hour of Rashid Khalidi from 2007

Google Video

121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:44am

Has Charles turned icons/avatars back on?
I've got 'em turned off in My Account and can't tell.

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:49:53am
123 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:50:10am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Hot Air Headlines.....
The Economist endorses Obama: America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world

Here's a list of the Economist's endorsements since 1980:
1980 - Reagan
1984 - none
1988 - none
1992 - Clinton
1996 - Dole
2000 - Bush
2004 - Kerry

This is not an Obamacon moment, as lots of liberal pundits have taken it. And their endorsement is heavy on "take a chance" or "seem" or "might" language. Obama is not the chance I will take with my country.

124 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:50:13am

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's all footballs here, brat.

125 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:50:34am

The media is an ass.

126 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:50:51am

re: #117 Daisy

Can anyone give me some insight about what Olberman (in his apropos pink tie) was ranting about on MSNBC re: McCain's 'contribution' ($400 some thousand) to Khalidi? I trust it's a distortion. What's the straight dope?

Look in the 90's and 100's comments above.

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:51:53am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

"Moby" it's just a coincidence.

128 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:51:54am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Not necessarily. I've gotten some of the same crap from a coworker. I swear the moonbats get their talking points from the same place.

BTW, he's an avid NPR listener. I think that's the source.

129 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:51:55am

#119

wab cradio?! That wouldn't be good for Michelle's kids!

130 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:51:55am

Just give us the tape, Cognito!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, but really.

131 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:01am

re: #117 Daisy

My understanding is on #96.

BTW - Funny that he would make an issue out of that but give a pass on - not only showing love to Khalidi - but also the disasterous record of donations from Annenberg and Woods.

132 Buck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:16am

I was discussing Billy "the terrorist" with an OBAMA supporter yesterday. His talking points are of course that the terrorism happened 40 yeas ago.

I asked him, how many years do I have to wait until I can be friends with the people at Al-qeada who planned and executed 911? 20 years? 30? Will it be ok ?

Frankly it just struck him completely dumb. He had no come back.

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:18am

re: #123 arethusa

Huh, that's a pretty mixed bag of endorsements.

134 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:18am

OT:

Barack Obama in a stump speech: "We need a new president!"

Hey, dipshit, Bush ain't runnin'. We're gonna have a new president no matter what. And this clown was a "constitutional instructor" at a law school? Bless his heart . . . .

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:25am

re: #124 capitalist piglet

It's all footballs here, brat.

Thanks.

136 pat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:25am

Alan Colmes last night stated John McCain gave Khalidid $500,000. So this is how Wikipedia descibes the transaction:

John McCain served as chairman of the International Republican Institute during the 1990s which provided grants worth $500,000 to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies which Khalidi co-founded.[27][28][29] A copy of the grant was published online.[30]

During the 2008 election race, opponents of Barack Obama referenced articles by Aaron Klein and John Bachelor, which reported a relationship between Obama and Khalidi's family. These opponents suggested that the relationship was evidence that Obama would not maintain a pro-Israel foreign policy if elected.[31] Countering by describing Khalidi as "a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy," Obama has stressed his own support for Israel and his differences with Khalidi, warned against guilt by association, and disputed the significance of the relationship for his own foreign-policy plans.[32] The Los Angeles Times has reported[19] in April 2008 about a tape of a party in Khalidi's honor which Obama attended but has stated that making the tape public would violate a confidentiality agreement made with the source who provided the video

So a further look into all the citations and links does not show that McCain was Chair when the grant was made or that Khalidi was active in Palestinian Research when the grant was made. And the money, American tax dollars wasted again, did not go to Khalidi, but to 'the democratization' of Palestinians. A review of this Wikipedia entry shows it was made on October 28, with an addition October 30, 2008. Source: Huffington Post
Democratic spin. Colmes on Talking point.

137 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:34am

re: #71 zato

"Widely respected Middle East scholar." Thats a joke. Widely respected in the lefty, anti-American circles perhaps.
Its troubling that higher education institutions of our country recruit these "professors" with solid ties to terrorist organizations. I wonder if anyone other than possibly a government organization has compiled and made public a list of colleges & shady professors with ties to terrorist outfits and such.
Do we really need our youth to be influenced by these anti-American elements?

WaPo considered Yassir Arafat a "widely respected international statesman". Go figure.

138 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:52:38am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

The BBC just had a report (an economic one) about the effects of an Obama Presidency, and if Obama is elected, and (according to analysts at the BEEB) if Obama's stated policies are put into effect -- the net result could very well be catastrophic. In other words, the entire world could be plunged into a very deep, long, and sustained depression. That's a viewpoint coming from the BEEB...

139 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #134 RickZ

OT:

Barack Obama in a stump speech: "We need a new president!"

Hey, dipshit, Bush ain't runnin'. We're gonna have a new president no matter what. And this clown was a "constitutional instructor" at a law school? Bless his heart . . . .

I feel sorry for the kids who went through his classes.

140 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:53:25am

re: #132 Buck

I was discussing Billy "the terrorist" with an OBAMA supporter yesterday. His talking points are of course that the terrorism happened 40 yeas ago.

I asked him, how many years do I have to wait until I can be friends with the people at Al-qeada who planned and executed 911? 20 years? 30? Will it be ok ?

Frankly it just struck him completely dumb. He had no come back.

Ask them if it would be OK if in 30 years you run for office after being friends and buddies with Timothy McVeigh...

141 Daisy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:53:53am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Milk of Malfeasance:
Registered since: Jul 6, 2007 at 8:51 am
No. of comments posted: 252
No. of links posted: 42

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Not me. I asked a similar question. Unlike some folks who post here, I don't know everything Buzzsaw.

142 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:53:55am

re: #123 arethusa

After the past month or so of watching the Stock Market crash and burn, I'd think that the Electorate would be a little risk-adverse right now. That would turn into support for McCain, because even Biden acknowledges that Obama would be a risky pick.

We should just trust him, and support him because...well, because...

Because! That's a confidence builder.

143 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:02am

OT:

John McCain in a stump speech earlier today: "We will fight for America. I've been fighting for America since I was 17 years old, and I have the scars to prove it."

Take that, Barry, you commie f*cknozzle.

144 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:11am

re: #138 J.S.

The BBC just had a report (an economic one) about the effects of an Obama Presidency, and if Obama is elected, and (according to analysts at the BEEB) if Obama's stated policies are put into effect -- the net result could very well be catastrophic. In other words, the entire world could be plunged into a very deep, long, and sustained depression. That's a viewpoint coming from the BEEB...

If we get the President we deserve, I guess the world does too - so many of them support Obama./

145 gregg  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:17am

The LA Times promised they would not release the tape. We all know it's a crock, but how about showing the tape to handful of people who could report what is on it? Since the LA Times reported what was on it (with no apparent objection from the source), why not let others see it?

Is that a stupid idea?

146 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:19am

re: #138 J.S.

The BBC just had a report (an economic one) about the effects of an Obama Presidency, and if Obama is elected, and (according to analysts at the BEEB) if Obama's stated policies are put into effect -- the net result could very well be catastrophic. In other words, the entire world could be plunged into a very deep, long, and sustained depression. That's a viewpoint coming from the BEEB...

Linky please.

147 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:24am

re: #138 J.S.

If even the BBC, bastion of far leftism itself, can see that Obama would be a disaster, then maybe there is hope, and then I can keep some change in my pocket.

148 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:27am

re: #136 pat

Alan Colmes last night stated John McCain gave Khalidid $500,000. So this is how Wikipedia descibes the transaction:

So a further look into all the citations and links does not show that McCain was Chair when the grant was made or that Khalidi was active in Palestinian Research when the grant was made. And the money, American tax dollars wasted again, did not go to Khalidi, but to 'the democratization' of Palestinians. A review of this Wikipedia entry shows it was made on October 28, with an addition October 30, 2008. Source: Huffington Post. Democratic spin. Colmes on Talking point.

Democrats lying? Should I be surprised?

149 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:37am

Geraldo Rivera over at Fox News says that we should not worry about these left wingnutjobs and their media.
They have finally found their 1960's hero in B Obambi and are just having flashbacks and coming full circle.
We should just sit back and let them have their fling with the election and their new president.

Soooooooooo
Just shut up about it.
everyone should just move on,
nothing to see here.


/

150 pat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:46am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

He has been on the cover as much as on Time. They have been touting him for months. The Economist has been more than clear that it feels America should be brought down to the economic and military level of Germany or so.

151 varmint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:48am

re: #92 arethusa

thanks. it's hard to keep track of all the bull floating around.

152 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:54:54am

#138

Then Auntie Beeb shouldn't have been stroking Bambi so hard all these months.

153 zombie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:02am

Stories like this one disgust me -- the spectre of creeping eugenics rears its ugly head once again, in slippery-slope fashion:

Australia: No residency for boy with Down syndrome

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- A German doctor hoping to gain permanent residency in Australia said Friday he will fight an immigration department decision denying his application because his son has Down syndrome.

Shame on you, Australia!

Trig Palin '08!

154 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:03am

In just about any video I've seen of Khalidi, he does a good job of painting himself as a vituperative hater. If the WaPo and the Obama campaign find that sort of thing respectable, we're likely to see a lot more of it.

155 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:21am

re: #25 Joan Not of Arc

Is Khalidi alright because he is their anti-Semite? Has the American public even been listening to what Obama has been saying? Are they aware of Khalidi and Ayers? I feel like everyone has been blocking their ears and covering their eyes as they march off a cliff.
If the worst should happen and Obama is president, who will be blamed for the radical changes that will cripple America? I just hope that the changes are so severe that not even the press or Hollywood could defend Obama anymore. They looked the other way when he defended infanticide and mollifying terrorists and bullies. They won't forgive him when their own paycheques are in jeopardy.

Be careful of what you wish for. I hope none of that happens.
Once again - be careful of what you wish for.

156 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:26am

re: #145 gregg

The LA Times promised they would not release the tape. We all know it's a crock, but how about showing the tape to handful of people who could report what is on it? Since the LA Times reported what was on it (with no apparent objection from the source), why not let others see it?

Is that a stupid idea?

If they were sincere, they could do that or release a transcript

157 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:32am
158 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:55:38am

If one desires, the Obama associates - Ayers, Rashidi, Ali Abunimah, Wright, et. al. - can be heard on the now defunct radio show, Fire on the Prairie.

Link to archives:
[Link: www.fireontheprairie.com...]

159 Daisy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:56:06am

Thanks for the helpful answers to my question re: Olberman's distortion. Learning all the time.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:56:19am

re: #70 varmint

okay, i'm having this guy throw a few things back at me. he says mccain funded a group called the center for palestinian research and studies. the figure of $400,000 was thrown about. it's all over the left wing blogs. i need someone here to tell me the truth, if any, behind this.

Both Charles and buzzsawmonkey have great posts from yesterday about this.

161 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:56:21am

re: #153 zombie

Stories like this one disgust me -- the spectre of creeping eugenics rears its ugly head once again, in slippery-slope fashion:

Australia: No residency for boy with Down syndrome


Shame on you, Australia!

Trig Palin '08!

I heard about that this morning, listening to Glenn Beck. Absolutely breathtaking. Ugh.

162 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:12am

re: #145 gregg

The LA Times promised they would not release the tape. We all know it's a crock, but how about showing the tape to handful of people who could report what is on it? Since the LA Times reported what was on it (with no apparent objection from the source), why not let others see it?

Is that a stupid idea?

That would basically be releasing it. It won't happen.

163 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:37am

re: #136 pat

When I heard that "McCain gave them a grant" argument, I wondered why no one responded with: "Ok, we'll show you the grant papers and their purpose, you show us the videotape."
Put everything out in the open.

164 PAgirlinNC  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:38am

re: #94 Iron Fist

I can't WAIT for France to like us again. I still haven't quite gotten used to saying "Freedom Fries."

/

165 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:39am

The economist ditches free market principles for soaring rhetorical flourishes from a man who never had to meat a payroll or produce a job.
From a man who acquires money by writing grant proposals.

Great.


The proposition that government should take one group's lawfully earned profits and hand them to another group — not a collection of destitute or impaired Americans, mind you, but a still-vibrant middle class — is the foundational premise of Obama's fiscal policy.

166 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:43am

re: #150 pat

He has been on the cover as much as on Time. They have been touting him for months. The Economist has been more than clear that it feels America should be brought down to the economic and military level of Germany or so.

That high? I figured they'd want us somewhere near the level of Spain or Belgium.

167 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:57:55am

re: #153 zombie

Stories like this one disgust me -- the spectre of creeping eugenics rears its ugly head once again, in slippery-slope fashion:

Australia: No residency for boy with Down syndrome


Shame on you, Australia!

Trig Palin '08!

When will they get around to deporting their citizens who have it?

168 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:58:08am

See you, Lizards - must go lecture on Greek tragedy. How appropriate.

169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:58:19am
170 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:58:27am

This election will come down to the 7%-10% that are still undecided (how they can be is beyond me). And they probably won't decide until they get in the booth.

171 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:58:40am

#153 Zombie

I saw Sean last nite with a copy of Prairie Fire. Stupidly I thought he'd mention you but no matter what, you were there first. Zombie. Doing the work journalists won't do.

Thank you.

172 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:59:31am

re: #163 jaunte

When I heard that "McCain gave them a grant" argument, I wondered why no one responded with: "Ok, we'll show you the grant papers and their purpose, you show us the videotape."
Put everything out in the open.


Well the problem is that McCain's grant is already a matter of public record so there's nothing to swap for the secret tape.

173 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:59:33am

re: #147 Honorary Yooper

If even the BBC, bastion of far leftism itself, can see that Obama would be a disaster, then maybe there is hope, and then I can keep some change in my pocket.

Well - I hope J.S. has a link. I couldn't find anything on the Beeb website, except the usual 'everybody hearts B0'- drivel.
So hang tight, don't let them pick your pockets!

174 kansas  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:59:47am

Maybe its time to look into how the MSM was infilitrated by supporters of terrorism and enemies of the United States.

175 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:59:56am

re: #139 Fat Jolly Penguin

I feel sorry for the kids who went through his classes.

And adding insult to their injury, they paid for the privilege of listening to The One when he was The Half.

176 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:00:18am

As a group, there seems to be far too many Americans who have insufficient understanding of the difference between fantasy and reality. In a fantasy world, you can "take a chance." You can bet it all on a leap of faith. It's fantasy, after all. Everybody gets a do-over. In the real world, however, everybody gets one shot. And you can lose it all in the blink of an eye. Only a fool would "take a chance" based solely on "hope for a change." The massacre of the innocents on 9/11 gave America a hard lesson in reality. But so many have forgotten. Tell a friend.

177 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:00:20am

re: #168 arethusa

See you, Lizards - must go lecture on Greek tragedy. How appropriate.

bye-bye Oedipus...., er, I mean, arethusa

178 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:00:33am

re: #38 yma o hyd

This amazing sentence from that article in the WaPo struck me:

"Perhaps unsurprising for a member of academia, Mr. Khalidi holds complex views."

Yeah, right, being an academic excuses sooo many things, especially 'complex views' in regard to pali terrorists.
See, us folk not living in academia are just too stupid to grasp all those complex nuances, unlike the big 0 ...

Gah!


IMHO the true difference between liberals and conservatives is the difference between their abilities to recognize which issues are simple and which issues are complex. (Admittedly, sometimes not an easy task.) To me, the question of whether to allow the killing of unborn babies is simple - don't kill babies. Whether to kill murderers - justice is as justice does. Wars - now there's a complex issue.

179 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:00:35am

re: #170 Junior

This election will come down to the 7%-10% that are still undecided (how they can be is beyond me). And they probably won't decide until they get in the booth.

If they are undecided at this point, they definitely won't be breaking for the UNKNOWN. McCain Wins.

180 varmint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:10am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

i see nothing but paranoia on your part.


i got blindsided during a conversation at work. came to LGF as a way of finding out the truth behind it.

181 gregg  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:15am

re: #162 Sharmuta

That would basically be releasing it. It won't happen.

You're probably right. Just to be clear, I proposed showing it to a handful of people (not journalists or politicians, but people that could be trusted to report accurately).

182 slartybartfast  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:19am

Rush, re: Iowahawk:

"I don't know what his leanings are...probably a Lib...I don't know--doesn't matter."

Hahahaha!

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:24am
184 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:29am

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

I heard it stated on air (early in the morning -- BBC World) -- no link. this isn't an "official policy" of the Beeb by any means -- it was the opinion expressed by a reporter (upon reviewing what some top economists around the world are saying).

185 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #170 Junior

This election will come down to the 7%-10% that are still undecided (how they can be is beyond me). And they probably won't decide until they get in the booth.

If they have decided for the anointed one,
his HOPE and CHANGE.
I assume they will vote for Palin- McCain.

there is that word CHANGE ASSUME.

186 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:04am

re: #150 pat

He has been on the cover as much as on Time. They have been touting him for months. The Economist has been more than clear that it feels America should be brought down to the economic and military level of Germany or so.

At least be glad they don't want the USA be brought down to the economic level of the UK!

187 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:05am

It's all that GMU influence

188 rexatosis  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:29am

RE: #56 Walter L. Newton

If we look at Obama v. McCain in terms of the business of selling products and advertising those products we get a much different view of the election. The "Obama" brand has had an advertising budget of around $600 million while the "McCain" brand has one of approximately $84 million. Yet the "McCain" brand is nearly within the statistical margin for error of matching the "Obama" brand in popularity with the American Public and we know the product popularity analysis (polls) have been skewed towards the "Obama" brand by the pro-Obama market survey firms (MSM). It is as if RC Cola (McCain) all of a sudden had the market share of Pepsi (Obama), every market analyst would be asking "what the hell is wrong with Pepsi (Obama)?" "Why doesn't the public like the product?"

189 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:31am

re: #181 gregg

You're probably right. Just to be clear, I proposed showing it to a handful of people (not journalists or politicians, but people that could be trusted to report accurately).

That defeats the purpose of not releasing it.

THEY DON'T WANT IT REPORTED ACCURATELY!

190 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:34am

re: #171 jemima

#153 Zombie

I saw Sean last nite with a copy of Prairie Fire. Stupidly I thought he'd mention you but no matter what, you were there first. Zombie. Doing the work journalists won't do.

Thank you.

I think the "Prairie Fire" thing could be really big, if it gets enough widespread mention (thank you, zombie, for digging all that up) - the Sirhan Sirhan dedication alone could peel off some Democrats (why won't Obama disavow this guy?)...I know how it makes me feel, so how much more disgusted would I be if I were a big fan of the Kennedys? Rush just mentioned it a couple of times on his show.

191 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:38am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Doesn't matter that the grant is already out there. Pointing out that "McCain gave them a grant" is a distraction. The grant is open and public. Someone wants whatever was said at the reception to remain hidden.

192 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:02:56am

re: #162 Sharmuta

That would basically be releasing it. It won't happen.

Oh yeah?

NEWS FLASH: Representatives from the Los Angeles Times have just placed a video monitor face-down on the tomb of Yasser Arafat, and have hooked up a VCR to it. When questioned, they said that Mr. Arafat has been designated as the reviewer of a tape of a banquet ....

193 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:10am

Here's Erica Jong predicting a "Second American Civil War" if Obama loses, which he will. Consider the source!

Frankly, I think the next civil war will be started by patriotic conservatives, not liberals ... but here's the link if you're interested.

194 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:19am

re: #167 MandyManners

When will they get around to deporting their citizens who have it?

I think I trust the Australians to be fair, even with a Labour government, more than I'd trust the political decedents of Margaret Sanger.

195 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:33am
If they have NOT decided for the anointed one,
his HOPE and CHANGE.
I assume they will vote for Palin- McCain.

durn.

196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:39am

re: #153 zombie

Stories like this one disgust me -- the spectre of creeping eugenics rears its ugly head once again, in slippery-slope fashion:

Australia: No residency for boy with Down syndrome

Shame on you, Australia!

Trig Palin '08!


Coming soon to an America near you!
Just remember this when someone tells you that socialism is more "compassionate."

197 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:41am

re: #188 rexatosis

RE: #56 Walter L. Newton

If we look at Obama v. McCain in terms of the business of selling products and advertising those products we get a much different view of the election. The "Obama" brand has had an advertising budget of around $600 million while the "McCain" brand has one of approximately $84 million. Yet the "McCain" brand is nearly within the statistical margin for error of matching the "Obama" brand in popularity with the American Public and we know the product popularity analysis (polls) have been skewed towards the "Obama" brand by the pro-Obama market survey firms (MSM). It is as if RC Cola (McCain) all of a sudden had the market share of Pepsi (Obama), every market analyst would be asking "what the hell is wrong with Pepsi (Obama)?" "Why doesn't the public like the product?"

It has a bad aftertaste.

198 Buck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:45am

re: #140 Junior

Ask them if it would be OK if in 30 years you run for office after being friends and buddies with Timothy McVeigh...

I don't think that is a good example though... Because he is dead. You could have been a friend of McVeigh, and be surprised by his actions...

Now imagine though that 20 -30 years from now... will a former, and unrepentant al-qeada member, who actively participated in terror against the USA be considered just a radical?

Lizards also have to make sure to correct the "stop the war" excuse. Billy the terrorist wanted nothing less than the violent overthrow of the USA government. Billy the terrorist didn't want to stop the war, he just wanted the other side to win!

199 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #184 J.S.

I heard it stated on air (early in the morning -- BBC World) -- no link. this isn't an "official policy" of the Beeb by any means -- it was the opinion expressed by a reporter (upon reviewing what some top economists around the world are saying).

Thanks. Because I read the BBC web site almost every day, and I didn't see anything to that effect there this morning.

I suspect that reporter will be taking his pension early.

200 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:04:20am

re: #176 Pullus Iulius

As a group, there seems to be far too many Americans who have insufficient understanding of the difference between fantasy and reality. In a fantasy world, you can "take a chance." You can bet it all on a leap of faith. It's fantasy, after all. Everybody gets a do-over. In the real world, however, everybody gets one shot. And you can lose it all in the blink of an eye. Only a fool would "take a chance" based solely on "hope for a change." The massacre of the innocents on 9/11 gave America a hard lesson in reality. But so many have forgotten. Tell a friend.

911? That was like 7 years ago. Who remembers that?

/Hope voter

201 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:04:36am

re: #164 PAgirlinNC

I can't WAIT for France to like us again. I still haven't quite gotten used to saying "Freedom Fries."

/

Or "victory kissing"

202 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:04:52am

Barack's in the cocoon now, the legit journalists are off the plane, so you won't hear him avowing or disavowing anything between now and election. We've got to find it in his past if anything else is going to happen. That said, I'm striking dry wells everywhere.

203 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:04:58am

re: #168 arethusa

See you, Lizards - must go lecture on Greek tragedy. How appropriate.

We ... the Chorus ... will still be here when you return.

204 zombie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:05:17am

re: #171 jemima

#153 Zombie

I saw Sean last nite with a copy of Prairie Fire. Stupidly I thought he'd mention you but no matter what, you were there first. Zombie. Doing the work journalists won't do.

Thank you.

Yeah, I heard about that. Hannity & Colmes picked up on my "Sirhan Sirhan dedication" point! Fine by me -- credit is not not important. As long as the information gets out there.

Fox was really all over both my Obama/Ayers book review story and my Prairie Fire exposé. I think they've taken to reading zombietime -- or more likely, checking LGF every five minutes to get the latest scoops.

Charles influences the national conversation probably more than we realize.

205 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:05:56am

re: #179 BigJohn

If they are undecided at this point, they definitely won't be breaking for the UNKNOWN. McCain Wins.

Let's just hope it's in the right states...

206 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:06:15am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey
Darn them varmints can slip in through the smallest crack in the wall.

To my husband - get my gun honey, varmint in here

207 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:06:28am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Well the problem is that McCain's grant is already a matter of public record so there's nothing to swap for the secret tape.

Point is - its another leftie attempt at obfuscation and smear.

Giving a grant in the 1990 in no way equates to being friends/sitting around dinner tables for some time - not just at the 'do' on the LAT tapes - except if you're an Obamaton.

208 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:06:28am
209 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:06:40am

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Moby" it's just a coincidence.

No, I think they're more lurkers than anything else.

210 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:06:51am

re: #3 littleoldlady

Where's doppleganglander? How much did you say the WaPo's profits go down? 86%?

The Washington Post - Official Newspaper for the PLO.

I'm here! Sometimes I have to actually work :(

When I used to coach homeschool speech and debate, I spent a lot of time teaching the kids what constituted a valid source. Today, I think I'd have to take the WaPo off the list.

211 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:07:10am

re: #204 zombie

Among many, many others, I appreciate your work and your investigative spirit.

212 zombie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #190 capitalist piglet

I think the "Prairie Fire" thing could be really big, if it gets enough widespread mention (thank you, zombie, for digging all that up) - the Sirhan Sirhan dedication alone could peel off some Democrats (why won't Obama disavow this guy?)..

And, thanks to our very own Sharmuta, I've got another, similar report coming up soon!

Probably not as big a deal as Prairie Fire, but may send some chills up your back (not your leg) all the same.

213 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:07:59am

Reiterating what Charles said last night: There are a lot of nip and run troll and moby comments popping up, some on verboten rumors. If you see them flag them, otherwise they might lie too long.

214 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #198 Buck

I have never liked the Tim McVeigh comparison either. Whenever we use an analogy like that, we seem to equate radical right winders with Republicans.

No need to hand them the ammo.

215 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:08:23am

re: #204 zombie

Yeah, I heard about that. Hannity & Colmes picked up on my "Sirhan Sirhan dedication" point! Fine by me -- credit is not not important. As long as the information gets out there.

Fox was really all over both my Obama/Ayers book review story and my Prairie Fire exposé. I think they've taken to reading zombietime -- or more likely, checking LGF every five minutes to get the latest scoops.

Charles influences the national conversation probably more than we realize.

I didn't see the show, but I heard that Pat Caddell was pretty sickened by the Sirhan Sirhan thing - I think if McCain and Palin pick up on that, it could seriously peel off some moderate Democrats. I've thought so since I read your report, and Caddell's response confirmed it.

216 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:16am

re: #136 pat

More importantly, McCain never praised the PLO or denied Israel's right to exist in peace & security.

What did Obama say at that dinner?

217 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:32am

re: #204 zombie

Yeah, I heard about that. Hannity & Colmes picked up on my "Sirhan Sirhan dedication" point! Fine by me -- credit is not not important. As long as the information gets out there.

Fox was really all over both my Obama/Ayers book review story and my Prairie Fire exposé. I think they've taken to reading zombietime -- or more likely, checking LGF every five minutes to get the latest scoops.

Charles influences the national conversation probably more than we realize.

And Charles doesn't toot his own horn all the time.

218 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:41am

re: #178 jamgarr

Yeah - and what really annoys me is this attitude that because someone is an 'academic' he knows more and better than Joe the Plumber, and that all Joes and Janes better keep their mouths shut and never dare ask questions.

I loathe that attitude from the bottom of my whole being.

Remeber - being an academic does not automatically mean that you possess common sense! More often it mean just the opposite!

219 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:43am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Milk of Malfeasance:
Registered since: Jul 6, 2007 at 8:51 am
No. of comments posted: 252
No. of links posted: 42

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Concern trolls?

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:47am

re: #209 Ward Cleaver

No, I think they're more lurkers than anything else.

Seriously, that's very possible.

221 jemima  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:09:56am

#204 Zombie

I know Charles and you and this site is very influential, that's why I try to gear every one of my posts to a national/international audience (don't always succeed). We are talking to the world when we think we're just yammering to each other.

222 CommonCents  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:10:12am

re: #15 Jewels (AKA Julian)


PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET

NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN
...
Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.
...

Considering the number of reporters trucking the country with the "Great Uniter", it isn't coincidence that those booted endorsed McCain.

And if "The One's" goal is to pick up votes shouldn't he surround himself with those that still need convincing instead of an echo chamber? I'm not surprised by his egomaniacilism. (

223 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:10:31am

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Every morning the BBC has a little economics report...(typically very, very ominous news -- around the world -- especially the Asian Market reports, etc.) The reporter (I don't know where he was located -- U.S.? UK?) was expressing fears (from economists) that if Obama enacts his economic policies, there could be a long, dark, recession/depression worldwide -- because not enough attention will be paid to what's happening to foreign markets...it'll be too focused on an American recovery...(hmm...in a way, this could be interpreted as yet another "It's All America's Fault!" meme -- in other words, even with an Obama presidency, "the world" will still be a sufferin'...) so, don't expect any reporter resignations just yet...

224 non-lib Nina  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:10:32am

re: #216 Kenneth


Inquiring minds want to know!

225 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:10:58am

re: #193 hermeneutics

Erica Jong = weapons grade crazy

226 redstateredneck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:11:01am

re: #221 jemima

#204 Zombie

I know Charles and you and this site is very influential, that's why I try to gear every one of my posts to a national/international audience (don't always succeed). We are talking to the world when we think we're just yammering to each other.

Let me apologize to the world for my posts.
:-)

227 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:11:02am

re: #204 zombie

Charles influences the national conversation probably more than we realize.

If only it were "the national conversation." Even FOX's audience is but a small portion of.. When 80% of the media is in the tank, it's tough to get the facts out.

228 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:11:17am

re: #216 Kenneth

More importantly, McCain never praised the PLO or denied Israel's right to exist in peace & security.

What did Obama say at that dinner?

Since the LA Times will not release the tape, you're free to make any and all assumptions, based on the data at hand.

229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:11:34am

Pat Condell: Godless and free

230 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:12:19am

re: #167 MandyManners

Australia is usually pretty liberal. Maybe we should check out the source before deciding.
After all 8 of 10 Americans are going to vote for the "O".
Media - not to be trusted, at least not by single source.

231 non-lib Nina  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:12:29am

re: #227 unrealizedviewpoint

If only it were "the national conversation." Even FOX's audience is but a small portion of.. When 80% of the media is in the tank, it's tough to get the facts out.

And it is too bad that the MSM does not give credit where credit is due.

232 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:12:36am

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Maybe I should have said "cannot deny what I have been told." The Obama supporters I have spoken to are well aware of his "socialistic" tendencies, and they are welcoming the "change."

And I won't let anyone off the hook just because they don't "know Obama's platform (let alone agree with it)" If he is elected, they are still responsible for what happens.


Your thesis was that a majority of the American electorate wants socialism.

Socialists are part of the political spectrum of any free Democracy. The fact that the open ones are widely cheering for Obama doesn't mean that the rest of the country agrees with their ideology or that they represent any major proportion of the electorate.

As to the second thing, of course being ignorant of the positions of the person you are voting for is no "excuse", but its the reality that lots of people vote that way. Charisma, appearance (that includes the dreaded "race"), age, gender, and other factors do affect people's votes independent of platform or ideology of the candidates. Sometimes people vote for the messenger instead of the message, and its hard to think of a more blatant example of that than Obama.

Again, the point is, a vote for Obama doesn't necessarily imply support for socialism on the part of the voter. I would bet that if you would summarize each candidates records and positions in simple words TRUTHFULLY (and that's, course, the sticking point), put them in list form, and have the electorate vote on those positions BLINDLY, there would be overwhelming support for McCain.

233 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:12:49am

In my book "concern trolls" are ok as long as they don't belabor points after they've been thoroughly answered. They keep lizards sharp, factual, and honest.

234 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:13:24am

Do NOT worry about the polls.

Research 2000 (Kos) is using a Dem +14 weighting.
Rasmussen is using a Dem +7.2 weighting.

The hang-up rate in many polls is more than 80 percent! Huge errors result from over-polling eager respondents.

THE REAL PARTY ID WEIGHTING IS .... drum roll, please ... +1 to +4 (in the worst case scenario). I personally think it is about Dem +2.5.

Republicans usually WIN when the party ID is +2 to +3 Democrat.


Mac is winning!

235 jamgarr  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:13:55am

re: #225 Kenneth

Erica Jong = weapons grade crazy


Fear of . . . let's see . . . flying, check; Bush, check; evil neo-cons, check; evil neo-cons, double-check; boogie man, check;

236 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:14:16am

re: #192 pre-Boomer Marine brat Ya know, I wonder if the video tape even exists?
I mean we only think it exists because the LA Times said it has a copy of it. They said that to buttress their original report.
Do you think the LA Times could simply be making up the existence of the video-tape? To, you know,
distract Republicans from the main message which isn't that Obama is a liar - he's been caught in too many already - and that he was hangin' with Billy Ayers and his ever so charming wife, Bernadine Dohrn? So what? The public already knows (and apparently many if not most don't CARE) that Obama likes to hang with Ayers, but that Obama still lacks the experience to be POTUS and his economic and tax and health care plans would be disasterous for the US.

237 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:14:29am

re: #212 zombie

And, thanks to our very own Sharmuta, I've got another, similar report coming up soon!

Probably not as big a deal as Prairie Fire, but may send some chills up your back (not your leg) all the same.

Zombie - you're a treasure!
And what you've put up on zombietime should shame any proper journalist who is still working for the msm.
Take care!

238 zombie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:14:39am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Pat Condell: Godless and free

The atheists' manifesto!

239 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:15:17am

Here is the question I posed to the LA Times "readers advocate".

The LA Times states that releasing the tape would put there source in some kind of jeapordy (protect the source was the phrase, if I recall). A couple of things strike me about this statement.
1st, there would have to be something on the tape that identifies the "source". If not, the tape could still be released anonomously. Being in the VIDEO business for the past 25 years, there is nothing on a generic tape itself that would identify it's "source", unless there were a copywrite with the "owners" information. Even if there was, it would be a simple matter for the LA Times to edit that out.
2nd "PROTECT THE SOURCE".Protect the source from what, exactly?

240 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:16:19am

re: #193 hermeneutics

No, I think the Left will be the ones who start the shooting if/when we have a Second Civil War. We could have a very Ft. Sumpter moment if Obama wins and the Democrats act to disarm the American people. Or, more aptly, another Lexington and Concord moment.

IIRC, disarming the colonists was the whole point of the British attack. Some things don't ever change.

241 shug  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:16:58am

The only difference between the PLO and the neo-nazis :

Neo-nazis have a lot less hair

242 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:15am

re: #236 realwest

I would like to see it, but at this point I don't care if it exists. Hopefully the negative inference will help.

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:16am

I'm heading home. I'm starting to come down with something & the heater ain't working here at work.

244 Buck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #204 zombie

Fox was really all over both my Obama/Ayers book review story and my Prairie Fire exposé. I think they've taken to reading zombietime -- or more likely, checking LGF every five minutes to get the latest scoops.

I know for a fact that there are producers at FNC that read LGF constantly during the day. They do get story ideas and research here. However they can't admit it to the Management. "I read it on a website" is not allowed.

245 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:22am

Somebody yelled at me for saying something similar yesterday, but I'll say it again. They ain't releasing the tape. Now what? Next!

246 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:28am

re: #233 Thanos

In my book "concern trolls" are ok as long as they don't belabor points after they've been thoroughly answered.


Well, I think it depends on what qualifies as "thoroughly answered". Some people aren't bothered by McCains contribution and others are. Both sides can make a case. Not everybody has heard the the McCain angle to the story and I see nothing wrong with people asking about. When we start to shout down people who bring up unpleasant facts we become like the Koskidz.

247 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:48am

re: #234 hermeneutics

Do NOT worry about the polls.

Research 2000 (Kos) is using a Dem +14 weighting.
Rasmussen is using a Dem +7.2 weighting.

The hang-up rate in many polls is more than 80 percent! Huge errors result from over-polling eager respondents.

THE REAL PARTY ID WEIGHTING IS .... drum roll, please ... +1 to +4 (in the worst case scenario). I personally think it is about Dem +2.5.

Republicans usually WIN when the party ID is +2 to +3 Democrat.


Mac is winning!

And thats not taking the PUMAs into account!

How are you today, {hermie}?

248 Piglet-U93  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:49am

re: #97 JammieWearingFool

Thanks. Picked up another outlet.

Beware - Air America the first one on the list is NOT conservative.

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:55am

re: #238 zombie

I always enjoy his rants.

250 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:17:55am

re: #233 Thanos

In my book "concern trolls" are ok as long as they don't belabor points after they've been thoroughly answered. They keep lizards sharp, factual, and honest.

I think it's worse than that. They're mobys basically- here to sow seeds of gloom and suppress our vote.

251 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey
Hi buzz - ya know I've heard that ONE BILLION DOLLAR estimate before, but could never find a link to it - do you have one? I believe it, mind you, just would like to have a link for it!

252 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:20:07am

re: #38 yma o hyd

This amazing sentence from that article in the WaPo struck me:

"Perhaps unsurprising for a member of academia, Mr. Khalidi holds complex views."

Yeah, right, being an academic excuses sooo many things, especially 'complex views' in regard to pali terrorists.
See, us folk not living in academia are just too stupid to grasp all those complex nuances, unlike the big 0 ...

Gah!

The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained

Explains the long-winded excuses and diatribes of liberals, leftists and other po-mo assplows. Especially those with "complex views".

Christ on toasted whole wheat, these people are insufferable in their arrogance and conceit.

253 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:20:19am

re: #243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm heading home. I'm starting to come down with something & the heater ain't working here at work.

Hot bath, followed by a nice hot toddy!

You take care of yourself as well!
Can't have half of the Lizard Nation coming down with something just before the elections!

254 itellu3times  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:20:41am
Perhaps unsurprising for a member of academia, Mr. Khalidi holds complex views.

How complex is blood?

256 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:21:16am
America saw the same thing happen between 1945-1980. At the zenith of the Left’s influence in America the tax code grew so riddled with loopholes and shelters that the wealthiest paid little taxes. For three years in the 1970s, Malcomb Forbs, then the world’s richest man, paid zero income tax. After the Reagan tax reforms, such a thing would be unthinkable today.

The Democrats want to put us on a road back to the 1970s when the rich got off scot free, corporations grew fat and lazy behind trade barriers and high taxes, and inflation and deteriorating government services slammed the middle class. It will happen again. The perverse outcomes are guaranteed by the incentive structure built into our political system.

[Link: chicagoboyz.net...]

257 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:21:26am

re: #234 hermeneutics


Thanks - no statistician here.
For those like me - they are lying - in simple non mathematical terms

258 bosforus  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:21:36am

Keep America sane. Vote McCain.

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:22:18am

re: #236 realwest

Even if it doesn't exist, the Times has said it does, and now is refusing to "release it".

That damages Obama, whether the tape exists or not.

Now I've got to scramble out of here to get to an appointment.
Have a good 'un, real!

260 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #241 shug

The only difference between the PLO and the neo-nazis :

Neo-nazis have a lot less hair

It's the neo-Nazis who look normal who scare me.

261 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:23:04am

re: #234 hermeneutics

Do NOT worry about the polls.

The hang-up rate in many polls is more than 80 percent! Huge errors result from over-polling eager respondents.

Got a poll phone call the other day. Refused to answer anything and hung up.

262 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

If you'd only recognize the rebuttal as substantive.

Must.
Resist.
Swears.

263 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:23:40am
264 joncelli  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:24:09am

Something's got the market happy: Dow at 9306.45, up 125.76. It could just be that they're as happy as everybody else in the country is that this fuckin' endless election will be over soon. (Then they can crash again if Obambi wins.)

265 looking closely  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:24:12am

re: #204 zombie

Yeah, I heard about that. Hannity & Colmes picked up on my "Sirhan Sirhan dedication" point! Fine by me -- credit is not not important. As long as the information gets out there.

Fox was really all over both my Obama/Ayers book review story and my Prairie Fire exposé. I think they've taken to reading zombietime -- or more likely, checking LGF every five minutes to get the latest scoops.

Charles influences the national conversation probably more than we realize.

Zombie,

Fantastic job on the Prairie Fire story.

FYI, I personally tipped Hannity's producer to this work on Monday evening (in practice, Tues AM).

I don't know if that started the ball rolling on their end for the story yesterday (probably not), but its possible.

266 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #233 Thanos

In my book "concern trolls" are ok as long as they don't belabor points after they've been thoroughly answered. They keep lizards sharp, factual, and honest.

Like the other day when one of the Lizards kept belaboring the point about McCain being an ass for putting Joe the Plumber in this position. It was answered, but the Lizard would not stop with it. Then he got mad.

267 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:24:40am

re: #262 Noam Sayin'

If you'd only recognize the rebuttal as substantive.


Did you read what I wrote?.......

Some people aren't bothered by McCains contribution and others are. Both sides can make a case.

268 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:26:45am

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Ummm. McCain never made a 'contribution'.

269 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:27:37am

re: #263 buzzsawmonkey
Yeah, I figure the only ones right now who MAY have a very accurate number are the Obama Campaign and the FEC.
And they ain't sayin'.

270 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:27:38am

re: #267 Killgore Trout
Perhaps some people aren't bothered by "McCain's contribution" because they don't look at it - as you do - as if he personally handed Khalidi a briefcase full of 20s. One organization gifted a half million to another. The two in question belonged to one or the other, and back in 1998, not as much was known about Khalidi as we know now.

Obama has a personal friendship with the dude - Big f*ckin' difference.

271 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:28:08am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

You are belaborous. If other people were concerned they'd be talking about it a lot - they aren't. Instead the subject gets dragged thread to thread to thread by the same people even though the bones of the dead horse are flayed to dust. If you don't like it that it's not the most important subject of the moment then to quote a bad TV series: The answers are out there - if you aren't satisfied with the response you see here.

I had my say on it quite a few threads back, you probably ignored it.

273 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:28:58am

re: #236 realwest

... So what? The public already knows (and apparently many if not most don't CARE) that Obama likes to hang with Ayers...

The public at large doesn't care about Ayers because they haven't gotten the full story about Ayers and Obama from the MSM. If the American public had the full story, they'd care, they'd care a lot. The sins of the MSM are ones of omission as well as commission.

274 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:29:22am

Gallup has Obama up +8 in the poll taken after the Obamamercial. Soooo, what's wrong with this poll, folks?

Lets fisk it.

First, only 30 million people saw the boring infomercial. Most were probably O partisans. So this can't be the source of this uptick.

Second, it is simply impossible to go from +2 to +8 in one day unless there is a HUGE political event, such as 9-11.

Third, usually it takes a few DAYS for political changes to show up in a poll.

Fourth, other polls did not show any movement toward Obama after the informercial. Focus groups of Independents that watched the informercial also showed no movement.

Fifth, I wonder if Gallup, like the MSM, is in the sack with Obama. The timing of this poll is suspicious as it comes right before the election.

Sixth, Gallup's traditional and adjusted polls have suddenly tracked together. Hmmmm. If they're using different assumptions, they should be getting different results.


CONCLUSION -- Gallup got a bad poll because their respondents came from that subset of highly motivated Obama supporters who love to answer their phones and lie about their partisan ID. These supporters say they are Independents who are now voting for Obama as they are instructed to do on Kos and other sites.

Buck up, folks. McCain will win.

275 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:29:32am

re: #263 buzzsawmonkey

No, I don't have a link. It was, I believe, alluded to on NPR about a week ago, when they were crowing about the $150 million that Obama had raised in September, "all from small contributions" (which, of course, was revealed a few days later to be due to credit card acceptance with disabled security, so as to be able to accept fraudulent and untraceable contributions in amounts small enough to evade oversight).

It was at that time that they mentioned Obama had spent more than both candidates in '04 from start of primary to the election,

I heard that. Incredible. That public funding thing can be such a drag on fraud.

and that he had spent over $600 million since the convention alone, without counting the primaries.

I can only laugh at the cash spent on that Barackopolis at the Convention. Yeah, he'd be real good at handling our money.

276 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #271 Thanos

If other people were concerned they'd be talking about it a lot - they aren't.


Because the people who ask are shouted down and labeled trolls. It prevents other people from asking.

277 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:29:57am
278 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:30:30am

re: #270 Noam Sayin'


Your equivocation has been blown to $#!+ numerous times (not necessarily by me) here. It frickin' boggles my mind how quickly you lost your critical thinking. I'm starting to wonder what happened to you.

279 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:30:49am

re: #247 yma o hyd

And thats not taking the PUMAs into account!

How are you today, {hermie}?

My fever is 99.7 now, tolerable. It seems to go up at bedtime. I hope I'm on the mend. Thanks for asking, Yma.

And how are you today? How's life on the other side of the great pond?

280 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:30:59am

re: #267 Killgore Trout


Is contribution the correct word here?

281 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #273 Son of the Black Dog Well

The public at large doesn't care about Ayers because they haven't gotten the full story about Ayers and Obama from the MSM. If the American public had the full story, they'd care, they'd care a lot. The sins of the MSM are ones of omission as well as commission.

I agree about the sins of the MSM, but don't necessarily agree that the public would care. I mean look at the loons out there who don't care about 9/11 or doubt that it happened the way most of us saw it happen.
A lot of folks probably don't care about the dedication to Sirhan Sirhan because they don't remember much at all about Bobby Kennedy.

What they SHOULD CARE ABOUT but apparently a lot of 'em don't, is that Obama's economic plans could easily push us into a depression and wind up with a lot of folks losing their jobs.

282 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:33:32am

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Since the Clinton administration it has been the policy of the US gov't to support Palestinian pro-democracy groups. We can certainly debate the wisdom of that policy, pro & con. The committee McCain was on, which funded the particular committee Khalidi was on, was carrying out established US foreign policy.

This is in stark contrast to the remarks Obama is reported to have said, re: "Israel has no God given right to occupy Palestinian land". That is certainly not US foreign policy. Not yet, anyway.

What else did Obama say? What did other speakers say that Obama applauded? We have a right to know.

283 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:33:53am

Yawn. Arafat received a Nobel Peace Prize, so again, why should I worship at the altar of these "complex" scholars?

284 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:34:00am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Because the people who ask are shouted down and labeled trolls. It prevents other people from asking.

If people here had a similar concern, they would not be hesitate to ask.

285 The Archivist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:34:19am

Figurative (not literal) application for this election:

Rules for a Gunfight: 1. Bring a Gun; 2. Bring all your friends who have guns
[Link: www.thegunzone.com...]

286 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:34:33am

re: #280 LindaMarie

He awarded a monetary grant. By "contribution" I was also alluding to his own actions that lead to the problem. I would guess that McCain is the only candidate that would be having this problem. If it were Rudy, Mitt, Fred this probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

287 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:35:10am

re: #282 Kenneth

I'm not arguing in favor of suppressing the tape.

288 BigJohn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:35:26am

re: #284 BigJohn

If people here had a similar concern, they would not be hesitate to ask.

PIMF Sorry, hesitant

289 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:35:46am

re: #284 BigJohn

Check upthread, that how this conversation started.

290 yma o hyd  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:37:43am

re: #279 hermeneutics

My fever is 99.7 now, tolerable. It seems to go up at bedtime. I hope I'm on the mend. Thanks for asking, Yma.

And how are you today? How's life on the other side of the great pond?

Glad to hear this - and yes, temperatures always go up in the evening.
RTake good care and don't overdo things when you feel a bit better - rest is important!

Over here - its cold! Icy winds from the Arctic, a bit of snow yesterday in London, and I've dug out my winter wellies, they're lined with neoprene, right toasty!

291 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:39:07am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

You have asked and been answered.
McCain was several levels away and the premise of the funding was - or at least seemed - legitimate.

Anybody else want to ask? Promise not to call you a troll - at least the first 6 times you ask. Warning - others may not be as polite.

292 zombie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:39:09am

re: #265 looking closely

Zombie,

Fantastic job on the Prairie Fire story.

FYI, I personally tipped Hannity's producer to this work on Monday evening (in practice, Tues AM).

I don't know if that started the ball rolling on their end for the story yesterday (probably not), but its possible.

Thank you!

293 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:39:28am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I know you're not, but you have argued that McCain is as connected to Khalidi as Obama is. I disagree with that.

294 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:40:46am

Dude, Charles. Seriously now. I actually have no problem at all with likening a PLO toady with a neo-nazi, because that's exactly what they are. But for you to sit there and say that it was a "blatant distortion" for that person to say McCain was comparing Kalidi to a neo-nazi, is in itself a blatant distortion. That is exactly what he was doing. McCain said "what if there was a video of me with a neo nazi?" when talking about a video of Obama with a PLO toady. That is literally the definition of comparing him with a neo-nazi (Kalidi, not Obama). Let's not be disingenuous. There's enough wrong with that article that we don't need to be sifting for new problems. I kind of see your point that he was comparing the media's reaction in those cases, and not the cases themselves. But let's be honest. In the eyes of most Americans, not just the media, the PLO is far cry from Neo-Nazis. For McCain to choose that instead of choosing, say, hardline Expulsionist Israelis, (or something a little closer to the PLO than Nazis) would have been a little smarter. Either way, that one part of the article, is true. He made the comparison. I happen to love the comparison and think more people should make it. But it's no distortion to report it thusly.

295 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:41:58am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Look Killgore, you're becoming increasingly obnoxious. Are you deliberately attempting to argue that there is somehow an equivalence between McCain's "relationship" with Khalidi and Obama's? Is that what you're attempting to argue? If so, here's a quote you might wish to consider:

McCain was the chairman of an organization that gave grants to many people and organizations, and one of them was a group started by Khalidi. Chances are pretty good that he didn't even know anything about the Khalidi operation; I doubt he personally oversaw every single grant that went out.

On the other hand, Barack Obama was a close, personal friend of Rashid Khalidi, who had dinner at his house many times, attended parties for him, etc.

The relationships are not even close to being equivalent.

[emphasis added]

296 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:42:31am

Has anyone seen Cognito around in a while? I would think the discussions of the past couple of days would be right up his/her alley.

297 The Archivist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #290 yma o hyd

...and yes, temperatures always go up in the evening.

Why is that? I've noticed that, and also that pain (toothache, etc.) seems worse in the evening. Why?

298 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:42:49am

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

Hey Khalidi & his supporters....get your facts straight.

The Phakestinians are Terrorizing the Jews, and occupying Jewish land.

You have slogans but the Jews have history, and scientific proof, that they were there 1st!

299 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:43:32am

re: #293 Kenneth

but you have argued that McCain is as connected to Khalidi as Obama is.


I've never claimed that both relationships were equivalent. Both are problematic for me personally but others are free to feel differently.

300 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:43:33am

re: #285 The Archivist

You forgot the Golden Rule of gun fights: Cheat!

If possible, you should always shoot the enemy in the back. Preferably before he knows that you are there.

301 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:44:15am

re: #295 J.S.

Are you deliberately attempting to argue that there is somehow an equivalence between McCain's "relationship" with Khalidi and Obama's?


See #299

302 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:44:54am
303 HDrepub  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:46:28am

re: #300 Iron Fist

You forgot the Golden Rule of gun fights: Cheat!

If possible, you should always shoot the enemy in the back. Preferably before he knows that you are there.

When possible yes, the enemy is much easier to hit when he is not returning fire. Try to catch him eating, or washing up, or taking a crap, things that require him to lay his weapon down while he is doing them.

304 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:46:46am

re: #302 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, they're probably all trolls and sockpuppets.
/

305 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:46:57am

re: #294 YoungTim

Another one with horse$#!+ critical thinking skills.

See what happens when you lower the bar, Killgore?

306 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:48:27am

re: #294 YoungTim

Tim, your initial attempts to soften your excrement that follows do not give credence to whole.

You are wrong on so many points, I don't really know where to start, but here is the gist.

The PLO are very much like the Nazis, and in fact their leaders were Nazis in ww2.

The PLO are not like the so-called "expulsionist" settlers, as the so-called "settlers" have not Terrorized an entire people, and do not murder innocents. There is no huge "settler" movement to murder all Arabs, or actual attempts starting before the second creation of Israel in 1948. Such cannot be said for the PLO. Furthermore, unlike the PLO, the so-called "settlers" have not attempted to overthrow approximately 3 governments since their creation, and have not created an army to accomplish such goals, again, such cannot be said of the PLO.

Lastly the comparison is correct. Hanging with the PLO is equivalent to hanging with the PLO. Both are murderous movements that are the enemy of the United States.

307 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:50:06am
308 DeeMack  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:50:20am

OK...need lizardtarian help here!

i've been Googlin' me little fingers off to no avail...keep getting all kinds of crapola and the only thing remotely answering my question is coming from sources I'm more than weary to trust...

Does anyone know...
if there is a background check requirement for Congress or the President?

how Senators, Representatives & POTUS aquire high level clearances?

The only solid info I get as far as requirements for either of these go is in the Contitution. And that don't say notin' bout no background check. Don't think they had any back then.

Seems to little 'ol me that if indeed...Obama could not be his own bodyguard...then WE GOTS A PROBLEM! Hell-O

309 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:51:08am
310 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:51:48am

re: #294 YoungTim
Me thinks that you protest too much.
The point of the comment was the media.

hardline Expulsionist Israelis,


Wow dude - too many syllables

311 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:52:03am

re: #305 Noam Sayin'

I'm sorry, what is so wrong with my critical thinking? Wait, is your definition of "critical thinking," when someone makes a critique you like? 'Cause that's not what it means. It's really okay to sometimes disagree with a characterization Charles makes on this site. By calling what that reporter said about McCain comparing Kalidi with a Neo-Nazi a "blatant distortion," he is making a mistake. If you disagree, try making a reasoned argument. That's critical thinking, brainiac. Not equating my skills with horsedook. Let me guess, you have no argument for what I said. You just hate it when someone doesn't fully agree. Yeah, there's some horse*&*% around here alright...

312 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:54:08am

Let me guess: IQ 167

313 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:54:11am

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, did you even read what I said? I specifically stated that I had no problem with the comparison. I was saying Charles was BS-ing a little bit by saying the reporter was "blatantly distorting" that McCain was making that comparison. He absolutely was making that comparison, and I'm totally fine with it. What is so hard to understand about that?

314 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:54:38am
315 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:54:50am

re: #306 WrathofG-d


Remember - never mud wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig likes it.

316 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:55:33am

re: #281 realwest

Well

I agree about the sins of the MSM, but don't necessarily agree that the public would care. I mean look at the loons out there who don't care about 9/11 or doubt that it happened the way most of us saw it happen.
A lot of folks probably don't care about the dedication to Sirhan Sirhan because they don't remember much at all about Bobby Kennedy.

What they SHOULD CARE ABOUT but apparently a lot of 'em don't, is that Obama's economic plans could easily push us into a depression and wind up with a lot of folks losing their jobs.

There are Americans who would care about the Bill Ayers - Obama connection, if they had been told the full story by the MSM. Yes, a lot wouldn't care, but enough would care to put McCain solidly in the lead at this point.

Agree fully with your economic comment. Another case where the MSM has failed to inform the public about the true state of the economy (pretty good until very recently), the cause of the mortgage meltdown (can be firmly placed at the feet of the Dems), and the real potential for damage created by BHO's tax policies (esp. what the expiration of the Bush tax cuts is going to do to middle class tax rates).

317 HDrepub  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:56:41am

re: #315 LindaMarie

Remember - never mud wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig likes it.

Another one to remember, never mess with a person who would dive in a hundred pound POS just to splash two drops on you.

318 Steve  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:56:50am

From PJMedia

This Is the Khalidi Obama Embraced

Google Video

319 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:57:11am
320 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:57:39am

re: #310 LindaMarie

Sweet lord...
I understand that Linda, in fact I specifically stated I kind of see the point. But calling what that reporter said a "blatant distortion..." is at best an exaggeration. Certainly the reporter missed the point, but what McCain said is most certainly a comparison of Kalidi with a neonazi. And that's totally cool, because that's essentially what Kalidi is.

321 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:00:02am

re: #319 buzzsawmonkey
Calm - breath in - breath out.
Don't let the troll raise your blood pressure.

322 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:00:10am

re: #300 Iron Fist

You forgot the Golden Rule of gun fights: Cheat!

If possible, you should always shoot the enemy in the back. Preferably before he knows that you are there.

Doc Holliday said he carried a pistol, a rifle, and a shotgun. Asked what the shotgun was for, he replied, "To kill people with, you damned fool".

323 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:00:11am

re: #314 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry Buzz, I made up a term there because I couldn't think of what they actually call themselves, but followers of Kahane absolutely did/do support expelling the Arabs from ALL of Israel proper, including all of Gaza and all of the West bank. I'm an Israeli, I know some of them, and it's a fact my friend. That's what I meant. I'm not that hardline, I don't support expelling them. So that was the term I cooked up. My bad.

324 stevieray  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:02:10am

re: #274 hermeneutics

Gallup got a bad poll because their respondents came from that subset of highly motivated Obama supporters who love to answer their phones and lie about their partisan ID.

That is the key to the Obama edge in the polls.

Usually pollsters only get 20% to 30% of those called to answer their questions. As long as those percentages are the same for supporters on both sides of a election, the poll can be roughly accurate.

But if the supporters of one candidate are almost evangelical in their adulation, they will be willing to answer the pollsters questions at a much higher rate than those on the other side. That will skew the data in a way that pollsters can't easily factor out.

I think the pollsters are being fooled by the enthusiasm gap -- and since they are mostly located in NY, DC, and LA, they don't see their results as being out of whack.

I think Obama's support is overstated by the enthusiasm gap, not the Bradley effect.

325 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:02:13am

re: #323 YoungTim

Expelling Arabs from Israel (with compensation as was the Kahane plan), and murdering an entire people, and destroying an entire country, are just not the same.

No matter how you slice it, there are no Jewish equivalent to the PLO.

326 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:03:59am

re: #319 buzzsawmonkey

Are you telling a joke right now? You don't see how most people would see that as a direct comparison? Forget most people. It's exactly that: it is a direct comparison. I'm no F-ing troll. Someone who doesn't agree with everything you say is not a troll. A__faces who get snotty and pejorative with people who don't fully agree with them are what I'd call a troll. That, or A__face.

327 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:05:10am

re: #323 YoungTim

I don't believe you. Now you try to beg off of your comments?
And I am a green alien.
Go for it - you got about 10 minutes to blast me and then I will be logging off for the night.

328 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:06:02am

re: #168 arethusa

See you, Lizards - must go lecture on Greek tragedy. How appropriate.

Students or your teenagers?

329 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:06:03am

re: #325 WrathofG-d

I agree with you, there isn't. But PLO is not the same as Hamas, and I would say in the eyes of most Americans, Kach was closer to the PLO than Nazis. So I was trying to come up with a comparison that would not have brought on the backlash of that reporter.

330 Teacake!  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:06:05am
Does anyone know...
if there is a background check requirement for Congress or the President?

Don't recall the link I saw of a former FBI who said in the interview that only FBI and top position military are looked into, not political positions.

331 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:06:13am

re: #311 YoungTim

I'm sorry, what is so wrong with my critical thinking?

It's based on BS - GIGO.

332 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:07:40am
333 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:08:17am

re: #327 LindaMarie

I don't even understand what you mean, "beg off of my comments?"

334 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:08:50am

re: #328 debutaunt


LOL teenagers are always in a Greek Tragedy. Thankfully they grow out of it eventually

335 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:09:02am

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry, dude, I was referring to Linda Marie calling me a troll, it got all wrapped up together. Sweetie?

336 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #329 YoungTim

A simple google for images of PFLP, a member group of PLO.

Yeah, they're all moderate and all...

////

337 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:10:54am

Where are you at in Israel YT?

338 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:14:14am

re: #337 Thanos

In America now, from Netanya.

339 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:14:18am

A simple google of images for Fatah, also member of PLO, yeah, they are all moderate too....

/////

340 LindaMarie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:16:57am

Guess it takes more time to check a map when you have no idea where Israel is then type a paragraph of propaganda

341 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:17:17am

The PFLP gained notoriety in the late 1960s and early 1970s for a series of armed attacks and aircraft hijackings, including on non-Israeli targets:

The hijacking of an El Al flight from Rome to Lod airport in Israel on 23 July 1968. The Western media reported that the flight was targeted because the PFLP believed Israeli general Yitzhak Rabin, who was Israeli ambassador to the USA, was on board. Several individuals involved with the hijacking, including Leila Khaled deny this. The plane was diverted to Algiers, where 21 passengers and 11 crew members were held for 39 days, until August 31;
Gunmen opened fire on an El Al passenger jet in Athens about to take off for New York on 26 December 1968, killing one Israeli mechanic;
An attack on El Al passengers jet at Zürich airport on 18 February 1969, killing the co-pilot and wounding the pilot;
The bombing of a Jerusalem supermarket on 20 February 1969, killing two Israelis and wounding twenty others;
The hijacking of a TWA flight from Los Angeles to Damascus on 29 August 1969 by a PFLP cell led by Leila Khaled, who became the PFLP's most famous recruit. Two Israeli passengers were held for 44 days;
Three adult Palestinians and three boys aged 14 and 15 years old threw grenades at the Israeli embassies in The Hague, Bonn and the El Al office in Brussels on the same day, 9 September 1969 with no casualties;
Attack on a bus containing El Al passengers at Munich airport, killing one passenger and wounding 11 on 10 February 1970;
The bombing, with a barometric pressure device, of a Swissair flight bound for Israel, killing 47, on 21 February 1970; for details see Swissair Flight 330.
On 6 September 1970, the PFLP (including Leila Khaled) hijacked four passenger aircraft from Pan Am, TWA and Swissair on flights to New York from Brussels, Frankfurt and Zürich; and on 9 September 1970, hijacked a BOAC flight from Bahrain to London via Beirut. The Pan Am flight was diverted to Cairo; the TWA, Swissair and BOAC flights were diverted to Dawson's Field in Zarqa, Jordan. The TWA, Swissair and BOAC aircraft were subsequently blown up by the PFLP on September 12, in front of the world media, after all passengers had been taken off the planes. The event is significant, as it was cited as a reason for the Black September clashes between Palestinian and Jordanian forces.

[edit] During the Al-Aqsa Intifada
See also: List of Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine suicide attacks
The PFLP's Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades has carried out attacks on both civilians and military targets during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. Some of these attacks are:

The killing of Meir Lixenberg, councillor and head of security in four settlements, who was shot while travelling in his car in the West Bank on 27 August 2001. PFLP claimed that this was a retaliation for the killing of Abu Ali Mustafa. [4]
The 21 October, 2001 assassination of Israeli Minister for Tourism Rehavam Zeevi by Hamdi Quran, the only Israeli politician to have been assassinated in the current intifada.
A suicide bombing in a pizzeria in Karnei Shomron, on the West Bank on 16 February 2002, killing three Israeli settlers. [4]
A suicide bombing in Ariel on 7 March 2002, which left wounded but no fatalities.
A suicide bombing in a Netanya market in Israel, on 19 May 2002, killing three Israelis. This attack was also claimed by Hamas[4], but the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades have identified the perpetrator on their website as one of their members[2][3]
A suicide bombing in the bus station at Geha Junction in Petah Tikva on 25 December, 2003 which killed 4 Israelis. [4]
A suicide bombing in Bikat Hayerden on 22 May , 2004 , which left no fatalities. [5]
A suicide bombing in the Carmel Market in Tel Aviv on 1 November, 2004 , which killed 3 Israeli civilians. [6

342 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:18:54am

re: #329 YoungTim

This might be off the point of your original statement, but:

You Said: "The PLO are just not the same as Hamas."

I am going to have to disagree. Other than statements of the United States, European nations, and Israel imputing intent upon the PLO there is no actual evidence that shows that the PLO are any different than Hamas. To me it simply comes down to P.R. Hamas is willing to admit their ultimate goal of eliminating Israel, and killing Jews, while the PLO, who have the benefit of being around longer and thus more international experience, know that they will get more if they do not just come out and admit it but instead follow the 1970s Phased Plan.

We also should not see the two groups as separate but instead as part of a synergistic Bad Cop-Good Cop dynamic. Hamas threatens to use all means to murder any Jew they can find, then the PLO gets more money from the U.S., Israel, etc., to "fight" Hamas which then somehow "accidentally" ends up in the hands of Hamas. The two groups work together to play the International Community.

The PLO since its creation has always had the goal of destroying Israel, and killing Jews, as does Hamas.

Lastly, if Kach is "seen as closer to the PLO" that is because individuals like yourself continue to openly express such incorrect views thus enforcing their already held misconceptions. I do not defend Kahane or Kach here on LGF, but to be factually correct, one cannot not correctly compare the two groups. If the PLO would like to transfer with compensation, every Jew living in Judea and Samaria to a Jewish State other than Israel, based on the fact that a majority of the Jews living in the region have decided that every Arab Country must be destroyed as it stands in the way of a Jewish Caliphate over the entire Middle East, I'm all for it. When Jews get 22 other Jewish Countries, I'll get right on it for the PLO. With your discussions of Kahane, and Kach, all you are doing is spreading around more false statements regarding those groups.

As for the comparison McCain was making, he was correct to state what he did. The emphasis was on "incriminating" tapes, and the LA Times' choice to protect Obama where they wouldn't have protected McCain. I again repeat that the goals of the PLO, and those of the Neo-Nazis are extremely similar. Go to Stormfront, then to a PLO/Phakestinian site, and you will see that their arguments are indistinguishable.

343 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #339 Thanos

Dude, I KNOW. I am well aware of PLO's real intentions, their real feelings, all of that. Had my family not moved to America before I was of age, I would have fought against them like my mother, father and brother did before me. I'm just saying, in the eyes of Americans (especially the media) you must well know the favorite phrase, "the moderate fatah," Besides, my only point from the beginning was that the comparison of PLO and Nazis is perfectly fine, but saying he wasn't making that comparison is simply not truthful.

344 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:21:11am

re: #329 YoungTim

But PLO is not the same as Hamas, and I would say in the eyes of most Americans,

Oh, please. A jihadi is a jihadi is a jihadi, no matter what alphabet soup name they call themselves.

345 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:22:03am

re: #343 YoungTim

First of all, you still have the duty to fight in Tzhal. Moving to America does not remove that duty as you are still a citizen of Israel.

Therefore, that only leaves us with two options. (a) you are a draft dodger or (b) you are lying.

346 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:23:16am

re: #342 WrathofG-d

Yes Wrath, I agree PLO, PFLP, Fatah, all of that, same as Hamas in intent to kill Jews, but it is also absolutely true that they are not driven by (purely) by religious zeal and hatred. Hamas are religious zealots (the PLO are too, but their leadership are driven by power hungry, corrupt thieves, not by pious Muslims). Arafat, and Abu Mazen were/are not religious Muslims, they're thieves and murderers. But Arafat was a homosexual. And Abu Mazen couldn't give two shits about the Quran. In that sense, PLO and Hamas are very different creatures. That was my point. I agree with all you said.

347 CommonCents  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:25:53am

IMO, the difference between the Nazi's and the PLO is that this time the Jews are armed.

348 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #346 YoungTim

Yes Wrath, I agree PLO, PFLP, Fatah, all of that, same as Hamas in intent to kill Jews, but it is also absolutely true that they are not driven by (purely) by religious zeal and hatred. Hamas are religious zealots (the PLO are too, but their leadership are driven by power hungry, corrupt thieves, not by pious Muslims).

Again, oh, please. A corrup thief is a good muslim. Gotta follow that 'the Profit's the bestest example of man to mankind for all time' garbage.

349 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:26:15am

re: #345 WrathofG-d

My friend, your understanding of the laws is very weak. I had to get a dispensation from fighting because I moved here when I was very young. So did my middle brother when he did. Don't call me a draft dodger. I should hope you fought for some military (american or israeli), or don't you dare be caught passing judgement on others. My father fought i the Yom Kippur war, and my eldest brother served honorably as well. If you're so fond of joining, feel free to make aaliyah. Don't talk to me.

350 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:26:43am

re: #346 YoungTim

Fair enough. On this post we agree. I however dont spend much time caring WHY someone wants to kill me, the fact that they do is enough for me. The rest are just unnecessary details.

Whether for smAllah or Money, their desire is the same.

351 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:27:08am

re: #322 Son of the Black Dog

I have a feeling that I would have liked Doc Holliday. He wasn't exactly a bad guy, just kinda bad when he was in the wrong mood.

There's nothing wrong with that.

352 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:27:10am

re: #348 RickZ

Look, guy, I'm not defending Islam, or the PLO, I'm telling you facts. Arafat was no pious religious man. Neither is Abu Mazen.

353 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:30:09am

So the Nazis wanted to kill all the jews, the PLO wants to kill all the jews, I see but faint difference.

What matters if they profess it's Islamism driving them or Communism? Graves are still the end objective to either dangerous ideology. I could argue well that the Marxist elements are actually the more dangerous, although it might not seem that way at this moment in time.

354 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #349 YoungTim

I disagree with your understanding of the law based on the minimal information you have given me. My wife, is an Israel citizen, was born here, but was still called to fight. Just like you, she got "non resident" dispensation and was excused from fighting when she was called up at 18. As I tell her, I'll tell you: you are a draft dodger.

Secondly, if my country had mandatory service, I would go. If there is a draft, I would go. Should I have volunteered? Yup, 100%. If you wish to tell me I should have volunteered, I will agree with you. But that being said, I wasn't called then refused to go!

Lastly, thank you to your Father and Brother. They should be proud of their service.

As for alliyah. I'm working on it.

355 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:32:04am

re: #354 WrathofG-d

PIMF

I disagree with your understanding of the law based on the minimal information you have given me. My wife, is an Israei citizen, was born here, but was still called to fight. Just like you, she got "non resident" dispensation and was excused from fighting when she was called up at 18. As I tell her, I'll tell you: you are a draft dodger.

Secondly, if my country had mandatory service, I would go. If there is a draft, I would go. Should I have volunteered? Yup, 100%. If you wish to tell me I should have volunteered, I will agree with you. But that being said, I wasn't called then refused to go!

Lastly, thank you to your Father and Brother. They should be proud of their service. I am VERY thankful for it.

As for alliyah. I'm working on it.

But let's get back to the point here. We have gone personal & there is no reason to do so. Let's get back to the facts.

356 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:32:32am

re: #351 Iron Fist

I have a feeling that I would have liked Doc Holliday. He wasn't exactly a bad guy, just kinda bad when he was in the wrong mood.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Jack the Toad! "Nobody for-gets your name!"

357 mean Gene  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:32:54am

I don't know how your knowlege of history is but I can remember ex-nazi's being hunted down years after the war ended.
They could still be tried for their crimes.
Why does the fact that he left the PLO after Arafat's death give him immunity much less so much respect?

358 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:33:20am

re: #355 WrathofG-d

PIMF

But let's get back to the point here. We have gone personal & there is no reason to do so. Let's get back to the facts.

PLO bad.
PLO very similar to Nazis.
Kach not like the PLO.
LA Times would not have protected a video showing McCain in a similar situation that Obama was in.

359 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:33:44am

re: #352 YoungTim

Look, guy, I'm not defending Islam, or the PLO, I'm telling you facts. Arafat was no pious religious man. Neither is Abu Mazen.

So what's the difference between an agnostic muslim terrorist and a pious muslim terrorist?

360 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:34:29am

re: #350 WrathofG-d

Yeah, I've never worried about the why of someone wanting to kill me either. They can fold this pussy "understand what they are feeling" shit until it's all corners, and shove it up their ass. Their problems with me are their problem. They can get over it or get dead, it's all the same to me.

361 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:40:59am

re: #354 WrathofG-d

Okay, I get it. You're saying that technically I dodged the draft, and both I and your wife are "draft dodgers." It's a funny thing the way people take phrases the wrong way. Please don't take it the wrong way when I call you a coward. I mean, we're both cowards right? By taking completely legal means to avoid risking our lives. It is fun to use semantics to alter the course of conversation. Let me call you an JERK now, then later qualify it by saying that I meant it as an acronym Just Equal Righteous Kick-ass. Spare me your semantic manipulations. I didn't live there (at the time of my 18th), and haven't since I was a small child. I was in school here and at the time there was no pressing need for me to go back. If a war was on, it might have been different, but then again why would I explain myself to someone who dishes out accusations from the comfortable home provided to him by the sacrifices of others. I never fought, so you best believe I would never pass judgement on somebody else. Some people call it "basic decency."

362 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:43:24am

re: #359 RickZ

One kills for Allah, one kills for money/land/plain old hate. If Arafat could have stolen Billions of dollars and stayed in perpetual power without killing Jews he might have done that. That was just the way to his goal. If you don't see a difference, that's fine, I really don't care. It had nothing to do with my point anyway. Congratulations on your stellar investigative work.

363 RickZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:50:19am

re: #362 YoungTim

One kills for Allah, one kills for money/land/plain old hate.

So I was right in thinking the difference between the two is Friday afternoon's off.

If Arafat could have stolen Billions of dollars and stayed in perpetual power without killing Jews he might have done that.

Yeah, sure, right. I can see Arafat in Jew Killers Anonymous now: My name is Yassir, and I've been Jew-killing free for 36 days now. {Polite Applause}

That was just the way to his goal. If you don't see a difference, that's fine, I really don't care.

What goal? The Middle East Judenfrei?

It had nothing to do with my point anyway. Congratulations on your stellar investigative work.

Bite me.

364 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:52:11am

Damnit! Why am I being sucked into all these ridiculous peripheral arguments. I'm such an idiot. Not a single person has actually refuted what I was originally saying: McCain did indeed compare Kalidi to a neo-nazi. That is all. No judgement on the quality of such a comparison (I personally like the comparison and agree with it.) My point was that Charles was wrong to call it a blatant distortion by the journalist.

365 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #363 RickZ

It's hard to believe someone could miss the point so ridiculously:

That was just the way to his goal. If you don't see a difference, that's fine, I really don't care.

What goal? The Middle East Judenfrei?

NO. His goal was money and power, he could not have cared less about Allah, Jews, or Palestinians. If you read anything about him you'll know that. Reading can be useful, try it sometime, you might enjoy it. He was simply a Marxist tool out to rob people blind. Which once again, still had nothing at all to do with my point about McCain's comparison.

366 WrathofG-d  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:00:43pm

re: #360 Iron Fist

I prefer to leave the "why" till after I've ensured that they cant.

367 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:14:25pm

re: #294 YoungTim


But let's be honest. In the eyes of most Americans, not just the media, the PLO is far cry from Neo-Nazis.

You're right.

The PLO is worse.

368 Ben Hur  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:15:37pm

re: #364 YoungTim

Damnit! Why am I being sucked into all these ridiculous peripheral arguments. I'm such an idiot. Not a single person has actually refuted what I was originally saying: McCain did indeed compare Kalidi to a neo-nazi. That is all. No judgement on the quality of such a comparison (I personally like the comparison and agree with it.) My point was that Charles was wrong to call it a blatant distortion by the journalist.

I agree.

And it was a good comparison.

Except for the "neo" part.

369 Solomon2  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:34:56pm

I would argue that The Washington Post acts not out of a desire for "truth", but to protect its exclusive access to sources that make juicy stories. This editorial fits the bill.

370 Daisy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:35:06pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

Well, I think it depends on what qualifies as "thoroughly answered". Some people aren't bothered by McCains contribution and others are. Both sides can make a case. Not everybody has heard the the McCain angle to the story and I see nothing wrong with people asking about. When we start to shout down people who bring up unpleasant facts we become like the Koskidz.

I completely agree. And having anyone repost -- duh -- again -- the "facts" does not mean I'm taking it as Bible. Hell, I don't even take the Bible as Bible (despite my caps).

371 J.S.  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:49:13pm

re: #364 YoungTim

No. McCain did not "compare Khalidi to a neo-Nazi". McCain did not "liken" Khalidi to a neo-Nazi. This was NOT, repeat NOT, done. You are distorting McCain's remarks.

Do you understand what the term "hypothetical" means? It is a "let us suppose"; it is not "real", but an imagined case...again, emphasis on "not real". Now, think for a moment and try to answer this question -- How does the MSM routinely smear Republicans? What is it? What terms are used? If you think about the Bush Administration and the MSM what terms of abuse come to mind? (are you thinking -- Bush = Hitler; Bush is a fascist; Bush is a neo-nazi). Do you see how this works here? It's the standard smear directed against the Republican Party -- ie, that the Republican Party is an ultra-right-wing Party. Now next, let's just suppose that the MSM suddenly got ahold of actual evidence which would link a Republican to an actual case of a Presidential Candidate hob-nobbing with neo-nazis. And, there was a videotape! Now can you figure out what the MSM would be doing? hmmm? Ya think the MSM would not be releasing the videotape? (question: Are you stupid?) Ok. Sooo, now do you understand what's going on here? (What Obama was videotaped doing was hob-nobbing/ expressing his admiration for (etc.), not with a "neo-nazi", but with a radical, fringe element from the LEFT of the Political spectrum. Khalidi is the mirror reflection of what would be Kryptonite on the Right -- on the left it's Radical/controversial Middle Eastern extremists; on the right it's neo-nazis.) Don't confuse the issues.

372 LynnfromNZ  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:49:48pm

re: #19 Ben Hur

I do hate it when idiots drop dylan lines ignorantly. Lets see a few lines from neighborhood bully in the WaPo.

373 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 1:47:48pm

re: #364 YoungTim

No he did not. It's a stretch beyond credulity to say he did.

374 jpundit  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 2:18:28pm

As to Khalidi's supposed "scholarship," see this review of his latest book:
"The State of Scholarship at Columbia and of Book Reviewing at the New York Times."

375 YoungTim  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 4:37:43pm

re: #371 J.S.

I'm sorry, but there must be s fundamental misunderstanding of the word "compare." Just because he brought up a hypothetical situation, does not mean his hypothetical situation was not a comparison to a real one. Let me give you a for instance, you smug piece of garbage. Let's say a complete ass__le wrote a completely insulting and nonsensical response to something I wrote, and I responded in kind, by calling them garbage. Do you think they would respond again with something equally, or even more retarded?

See what I did there? That was a hypothetical situation, unless you're admitting to being a piece of garbage. And yet I was clearly comparing that situation to our situation, and therefore you to a "complete ass__le." See how that works? Learning with English can be fun.
Now I understand a lot of you are fuming because I had the audacity to point out that I think Charles is mistaken to call that one single part of the reporter's piece a "blatant distortion." But at no point was I defending WaPo, the journalist, Kalidi, the PLO, the PFLP, Fatah. Arafat, Hanniyeh, Abu Mazen, or the mongoloid who decided to remake Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Unfortunately in response to my very simple statement, I've had one smug prick call me a draft dodger, one insipid peon named LindaMarie insinuate I'm not who I say I am and call me a troll, a jackass tell me to bite him because he couldn't understand the basic premise of my argument and kept arguing some extraneous point, and now this vacant lot for a brain, JS, who clearly didn't even read my original point and just jumped in to illustrate that he thinks a comparison is not a comparison unless it links two completely concrete things that concurrently exist. I swear, everyday I hear a jackass liberal talk about how stupid conservatives are and I have to stand up for us, and I couldn't possibly find it more depressing to find out that maybe they're right. A whole website brimming with conservative thought and a comments section filled with self important pieces of trash eating their own to prove a point that doesn't even exist.
Sorry Charles, but the price of participating in debate here is too high. I thought these kind of idiot shenanigans were only supposed to go on at Daily Kos and DU.

376 Charles  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 7:39:03pm

re: #375 YoungTim

I feel your pain. It must be awful to cast your pearls before such swine. Swine who don't see and appreciate your genius.

Oh. The pain.

377 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 10:32:52pm

re: #375 YoungTim

That's a very appropriate avatar. You really know how to show your ass.

378 right_in_canada  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:05pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

The WaPo gets to stay on Obama's plane.

BTW, Rush led off with Iowahawk today. Way cool.

Speaking of Rush, wabcradio.com is down. Anyone have another station link I can get the show with?

Is that one any good ? Who else is on ?


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