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The 'Joe the Plumber' Privacy Violation Story Gets Worse

Politics | Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:02:39 pm PDT

Welcome to the Orwellian future that awaits those who ask a question of the Anointed One: State employee says she was ordered to check out Joe the Plumber.

Vanessa Niekamp said that when she was asked to run a child-support check on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher on Oct. 16, she thought it routine. A supervisor told her the man had contacted the state agency about his case.

Niekamp didn’t know she just had checked on “Joe the Plumber,” who was elevated the night before to presidential politics prominence as Republican John McCain’s example in a debate of an average American.

The senior manager would not learn about “Joe” for another week, when she said her boss informed her and directed her to write an e-mail stating her computer check was a legitimate inquiry.

The reason Niekamp said she was given for checking if there was a child-support case on Wurzelbacher does not match the reason given by the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services.

This story stinks to high heaven.

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1 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:04:37pm

Joe got screwed!

2 stuck in california  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:04:39pm

Big brother.

3 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:04:47pm

May the truth be behind this be the headlines on Monday and Tuesday! More stink sticking to Obama is just what we need to to down him.

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:05:59pm

re: #1 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Joe got screwed!

Actually, the Democrats have tried to screw him but they are the ones will get it in the end.

[snicker]

5 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:06:35pm

If Joe sues, there would be discovery involved. If there is anything in emails, various metadata, etc. can be pulled up. If this was done sloppy, they already have a problem on their hands.

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:06:59pm

re: #2 stuck in california

What's funny is that program is on cbs.

7 Occasional Reader  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:07:52pm

Ohio...quelle surprise.

8 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:08:29pm

Scratch a liberal, find a fascist.

9 OldDog  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:08:32pm

Seeing Joe sue would be a three ring Circus.

10 CIA Reject  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:09:01pm

In the parallel universe inhabited by BO and his supporters we can't wiretap terrorists, but we can anal-probe plumbers who ask inconvenient questions.

Most people in the real world see how ridiculous that is and that is why BO will LOSE THE ELECTION!

11 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:09:03pm

I ain't sayin' another bad word about the One.

/

12 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:10:24pm

Another reason this story stinks - Joe's son lives with him. As far as I know, that's his only child. Why would they even be justified in doing a child-support search?

13 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:10:30pm

Hooo boy...her boss/supervisor is the lady with three names, right? Ms. Maximum Obama Donor?

14 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:10:31pm

The was I had read Charles' headline here and subsequent comments-- was that the story itself was incorrect.

15 gmsc  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:10:37pm

If you upset the one, you will become an unperson!

16 Drained Brain  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:10:44pm

Liberals are indeed the true fascists.

17 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:11:00pm

I'm dressing up as Joe The Plumber for Halloween tonight.

18 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #12 arethusa

Another reason this story stinks - Joe's son lives with him. As far as I know, that's his only child. Why would they even be justified in doing a child-support search?

Someone digging for dirt would hit all angles they could.

19 MI_weirod  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:11:42pm

Where is Chuck Schumer and the ACLU filing lawsuits and holding hearings?
......Crickets......

20 MirMir  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:11:43pm

Isn't it amazing how he -The ONE- gets away with it all.

This is the scariest election I have ever seen.

21 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:11:49pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the Democrats have tried to screw him but they are the ones will get it in the end.

[snicker]

Touche!

22 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:12:17pm

The headline makes it sound like there was no privacy violation...

23 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:12:20pm

re: #14 astronmr20

The was I had read Charles' headline here and subsequent comments-- was that the story itself was incorrect.

translate please.

24 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:12:34pm

One story I read said they were trying to see if there was a reason they should have him arrested. I can't remember where I saw that one, though...had to have only been one of two or three places.

25 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:05pm

My X owes just under $100,000.00 in back C.S..

This story pisses me off beyond belief.

Stupid motherfucking idiots use tax-dollars to check on a citizen based on political greed?

26 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:06pm

Chicago Thug Politics. Hell...typical democrat politics.

27 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:12pm

Why is this not surprising? If I were Joe, I'd find a lawyer willing to run with it (tough, since most sharks are libs!) and sue the friggin' pants off of a lot of people!

28 Anna  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:15pm

This is akin to that Clinton flunkie found in the basement of the White House trolling through all those FBI dossiers of Republicans.

Yes this stinks. This is abuse of power to invade a citizen's privacy for partisan and nefarious purposes. There needs to be an accounting.

Joe sue these jerks into the poor house.

29 freedomplow  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:17pm

No dictators.

Not on my watch!

30 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:21pm

What's extra bad about this isn't that his records were searched, it was that they were searched three separate times and places by different parties. They all need to go down. This is an extreme violation of liberties. Has anyone brought this to the attention of EFF? Perhaps they would aid in pursuit of justice since we know that the ACLU won't.

31 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:21pm

Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else think the dems are playing with fire? Character assassination of anyone who challenges the messiah and open vote rigging by the dems to ensure their victory. When it becomes clear that the elections process has been irrevocably corrupted in favor of the dems, do they really think the Reps will just give up? Remember, we are the bitter gun clingers.

32 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:31pm

re: #8 Hard Right

Scratch a liberal, find a fascist socialist.

And all a socialist is, is a communist with out a spine.

33 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:37pm

I'm confused. Should I ignore the 'Question Authority' bumperstickers?

34 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:45pm

I think "unraveling" refers to the original story coming from Ms. Maximum Obama Donor. This employee contradicts her.

35 MI_weirod  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:50pm

Don't you know only Terrorists and their supporters can have their privacy violated.

/sarc

36 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #23 ratherdashing

translate please.

pop....glug glug glug

37 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:13:56pm

re: #10 CIA Reject

In the parallel universe inhabited by BO and his supporters we can't wiretap terrorists, but we can anal-probe plumbers who ask inconvenient questions.

Most people in the real world see how ridiculous that is and that is why BO will LOSE THE ELECTION!

... and indeed he shall. In the final hours, the collective good American people across this great land will examine and weigh and decide. They shall shun the leftist socialist, the imbalanced dark powers and true hope will light our way forward.

Zogby: McCain leads.
I hear now in the coming FoxNews poll: McCain leads

The peoples are speaking.

38 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:14:02pm
Director Helen Jones-Kelley said her agency checks people who are "thrust into the public spotlight,"

The people who need to be checked are the ones who are doing the thrusting.

39 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:14:49pm

re: #17 TheMatrix31

I'm dressing up as Joe The Plumber for Halloween tonight.

Pull your trousers up man, there are kids arround.

40 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:09pm

re: #33 Killer Tomato

Question 'O'thority

41 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:14pm

Is it too late to organize a boycott of the election?

42 Charles  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:18pm

I see that the headline was confusing some people -- it's rewritten to (hopefully) be clearer.

43 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:22pm

re: #38 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The people who need to be checked are the ones who are doing the thrusting.

Indeed.

So this person is saying that she was told "the man had contacted the state agency about his case". Little bit of discrepancy there.

44 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:27pm

re: #33 Killer Tomato

I'm confused. Should I ignore the 'Question Authority' bumperstickers?

The new century version of that is "Question Bureacracy"

45 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:37pm

re: #7 Occasional Reader

Don't you mean QUE SORPRESA ?
Admit it. You're lost, aren't you? You don't remember where you are.

46 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #14 astronmr20

The was I had read Charles' headline here and subsequent comments-- was that the story itself was incorrect.

Huh? Can you repeat that?

47 tradewind  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:53pm

At McCain headquarters today, there was a brisk business in buttons reading ' Say it Ain't So, Joe!'

48 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:54pm

Insult Kim Jong-Il - go to the reeducation camps...

Insult B-HO - go through an anal probe, then off to the reeducation camps.

A B-HO Presidency. Wait til the weasel tries to amend the Constitution to allow himself to be declared POTUS For Life. Hell, he'd probably just issue an Executive Order, once his brown-shirt squads get organized...

49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:15:56pm

Remember right before the 2006 mid-term election when Chuck "the schmuck" Schumer's goons illegally obtained Michael Steele's credit report when Steele was a US senate candidate? This should not surprise anyone. It certainly doesn't surprise me. More libturd dirty tricks.

50 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:04pm

She's a member/director of a local organization that is focused solely on blacks.

I posted a link to it the other day.

51 Rancher  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:11pm

Well, actually Obama is just great. I, Rancher, love Obama. I think he may actually be the Messiah! Love his wife. Spread the wealth is just great. He didn't really know Ayers, ACORN, Rev. Wright, or Khalid.

/Not intimidated, only careful.

52 modnar  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:15pm

Unfortunately the MSM will pass on this and nothing will happen to the wrong-doers.

53 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #40 jaunte

LOL
upding!

54 BlueCanuck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:51pm

re: #27 6pat6

Why is this not surprising? If I were Joe, I'd find a lawyer willing to run with it (tough, since most sharks are libs!) and sue the friggin' pants off of a lot of people!

True, but when they smell blood in the water, and a big payout at the end . . . . .

55 Purple Prose[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:16:58pm
56 CIA Reject  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:22pm

re: #37 Max Darkside

... and indeed he shall. In the final hours, the collective good American people across this great land will examine and weigh and decide. They shall shun the leftist socialist, the imbalanced dark powers and true hope will light our way forward.

Zogby: McCain leads.
I hear now in the coming FoxNews poll: McCain leads

The peoples are speaking.

The Sleeping Giant of the Silent Majority is just now starting to come out from under the cover they have been using to hide from all those tolerant BO supporters- like this piece of scum who tried to smear Joe.

57 Hard Right[deleted]  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:32pm
58 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:33pm

Privacy Violations, Coverup All In A Day's Work For Ohio Dems

59 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:35pm

Funny but there was a member at MyBarrackObama.com from Coldwater Ohio named Brad Niekamp.

Brad Niekamp
Profile
Location: Coldwater, OH
Why I support Barack Obama: I support Barack Obama simply because he is an inspirational man. In a world of so much doubt, he brings a glimmer of hope. Hope that we as a people might dig ourselves out of a pit of dispair. He may be our only hope at getting this great country back to what made it great in the first place. I feel that the "pursuit of happiness" may just end for all of us if we do not act soon. Barack is the man who can bring this action. The American dream can be made a reality if only we the people make it happen, and the Obama/Biden ticket is the way to do it.
Birth Date: May 22nd
Issues: economic fairness / security; smart energy policy; good government / ethics; affordable health care; education
Registered to Vote: Yes

Only in truth can we find true happiness.


Whats doubly odd is that I had to use Google's cache to see that. His profile page has been scrubbed from the Official Website.

Get a screenshot now. Google hearts Obama.

60 tradewind  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:44pm

Welcome to the world of an Obama presidency..... he uses state computers to trash even an ordinary person he perceives as a threat, he squashes media dissent, and he whines in an effort to shut up his opposition's advertising. How Orwellian is that...........

61 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:17:59pm

re: #39 JeremyR

Pull your trousers up man, there are kids arround.

I bought a white shirt, and wrote on it with a thick sharpie "JOE".

Then I got a tool holder thing (not exactly a belt) to put on my waist, and I got a wrench and a mini plunger.

62 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #33 Killer Tomato

I'm confused. Should I ignore the 'Question Authority' bumperstickers?

many updings

63 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:18:26pm

Charles: noticed a couple things missing in the sidebar, good decision. It's been missing from my site awhile.

64 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:18:36pm

re: #59 Mich-again

Good work.

65 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:19:00pm

God Damn shenanigans are coming home.....to roost! And shit all over obambi and the donk socialist asshats!

66 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:19:22pm

Those bastages.

67 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:19:26pm
Director Helen Jones-Kelley said her agency checks people who are "thrust into the public spotlight," amid suggestions they may have come into money, to see if they owe support or are receiving undeserved public assistance.

That last point won't kick in big time until Obama starts spreading the wealth.

68 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:19:35pm
69 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:19:51pm

re: #51 Rancher

Well, actually Obama is just great. I, Rancher, love Obama. I think he may actually be the Messiah! Love his wife. Spread the wealth is just great. He didn't really know Ayers, ACORN, Rev. Wright, or Khalid.

/Not intimidated, only careful.

I HAD to down ding that one. DO NOT GO GENTLY!

70 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:20:11pm

re: #59 Mich-again

I don't understand how some people can seriously write hooey like this:

"In a world of so much doubt, he brings a glimmer of hope. Hope that we as a people might dig ourselves out of a pit of dispair."

71 Gearhead  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:20:13pm

Is there something about 'vengeful asshole' in the criteria the DNC uses to select candidates?

72 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:20:17pm

This is what we get here in California before Prop 8 passes, but hopefully not after (Same Sex Marriage overturn).[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

73 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:20:40pm

re: #50 MandyManners

I don't like that sentence at all.

74 tradewind  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:20:45pm

re: #68 Neo Con since 9-11

Must be a pretty damn high civil service grade.....

75 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:21:18pm

re: #59 Mich-again

Google Hearts all leftist thugs. Google clubs Chinese dissidents.

76 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:21:22pm

re: #48 6pat6


A B-HO Presidency. Wait til the weasel tries to amend the Constitution to allow himself to be declared POTUS For Life.

He (apparently, don't know if this blog post is true) did tell a staffer that eight years might not be enough for what he wants to do.

Such a law about a lifetime Presidency would have to be a constitutional amendment, though.

77 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:21:27pm

re: #15 gmsc

If you upset the one, you will become an unperson!

I'm gonna make The One an unwinner!

78 middlecon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:21:38pm

re: #48 6pat6

Insult Kim Jong-Il - go to the reeducation camps...

Insult B-HO - go through an anal probe, then off to the reeducation camps.

A B-HO Presidency. Wait til the weasel tries to amend the Constitution to allow himself to be declared POTUS For Life. Hell, he'd probably just issue an Executive Order, once his brown-shirt squads get organized...


This is the same stuff that the 'other side' says about Bush on a regular basis. Don't be like them.

79 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:21:58pm

These are the same people who believe our entire constitutional order is threatened if we tap the phone lines of calls made abroad to known terrorists. What a joke.

80 Charles  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:22:03pm

re: #63 Thanos

Charles: noticed a couple things missing in the sidebar, good decision. It's been missing from my site awhile.

See the 'Friday Evening Open' thread for the ugly details.

I'm finished supporting Robert Spencer. He made his choices, and that's that.

81 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:22:04pm

A repost from a few threads back, but fitting here, nonetheless...


I was paid a high compliment today.

I frequently fire links to articles to a number of friends and work acquaintances - stuff I know they will not come across because they're far busier than me, and less dedicated to sitting down at their computers for five or six hours every night.

Sent around a link for the LGF thread on Tito the Builder.

One of them emailed back, "Noam the Informer."

Tee hee.

82 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:22:14pm

re: #68 Neo Con since 9-11

Surprise surprise, Helen Jones-Kelley has contributed $2500 to Obama

Wait, isn't that over the limit? By about $200?

83 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:22:20pm

re: #23 ratherdashing

translate please.

"story unraveling..."

Meaning it's falling apart, I thought.

84 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:22:20pm

re: #61 TheMatrix31

I bought a white shirt, and wrote on it with a thick sharpie "JOE".

Then I got a tool holder thing (not exactly a belt) to put on my waist, and I got a wrench and a mini plunger.

I heard that the real Joe has a tattoo on his keester. It says, "If you can read this, I'm WORKING"

85 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #68 Neo Con since 9-11

When I saw that, I had a feeling (unsupported by any evidence) that the $200 contribution was hers, and the $2300 was given her to contribute.
(Why break it up into those two increments?)

86 TheMatrix31  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:23:34pm

re: #84 JeremyR

I heard that the real Joe has a tattoo on his keester. It says, "If you can read this, I'm WORKING"

No tattoos for me. I'll just have to go ahead with that minor omission.

87 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:23:47pm

re: #76 arethusa

That's a scary blog.

88 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:23:48pm

McCain is going to win it, I can feel it moving thataway lol.

Earlier I read on hillbuzz a person who said she was an obama staffer.
She basically stated that the polls are being stacked, that they are having staffers blog to dispirit McCain supporters and that if the R's go and vote that obama will lose.

I believe this!

89 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:23:53pm

re: #85 jaunte

When I saw that, I had a feeling (unsupported by any evidence) that the $200 contribution was hers, and the $2300 was given her to contribute.
(Why break it up into those two increments?)

Payday?

90 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:18pm

re: #89 capitalist piglet

Isn't $2300 the legal limit?

91 johngaltlives  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:22pm

This is only the beginning if the Zero wins.
He will control both Houses and within 2 years the Court.

He can wiretap, investigate and supress anything he wants. There will be no one to stop him. The anal probe Joe got is nothing compared to what the Zero will do to others that get in his way once has power.

This scares the crap out of me.

92 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:30pm

re: #78 middlecon

Yeah, but the Jackasses ARE Socialists. Bush is not. I do not put this kind of shit past them, not one bit.

93 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:35pm

re: #84 JeremyR

I heard that the real Joe has a tattoo on his keester. It says, "If you can read this, I'm WORKING"

He could get a tat on his keester that say J on the left cheek and E on the right. That'd work.

94 RirghtSideOfTheFence  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:46pm

Newest Zogby poll;
McCain 48
Nobama 47

95 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:24:49pm

re: #80 Charles

Ok, I'll go check it out.

96 rawmuse  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:08pm

This is such an abuse of power. This needs a response.

97 swamprat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:27pm

But Bush was wiretapping Americans conversations with overseas terrorists!

98 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #59 Mich-again

Interestingly... the official Brad was terminated at 11:43pm 2 Oct 08.

When was the 3rd debate again?

99 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:30pm

This is a bit beyond simple violation of privacy. IIRC, the term for it is Offical Oppression, and it is a felony crime.

100 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:31pm

re: #57 Hard Right

*WHACK*

101 riesling fan  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:45pm

Used to be a Saturday morning live-action tv show in the 70s called "Run Joe Run."

I'd like to see "Sue, Joe, Sue!"

And by Sue I don't mean a female's name!

102 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:46pm

re: #37 Max Darkside

... and indeed he shall. In the final hours, the collective good American people across this great land will examine and weigh and decide. They shall shun the leftist socialist, the imbalanced dark powers and true hope will light our way forward.

Zogby: McCain leads.
I hear now in the coming FoxNews poll: McCain leads

The peoples are speaking.

Link to Zogby?

103 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:57pm

re: #91 johngaltlives

Not going to happen.

Gird your loins.

Gird something, anyway.

104 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:25:59pm

I'm betting that, as the Joe privacy violation story unfolds, more of the Jennifer Brunner bogus voter registrations story will do so as well.

Once it starts rolling, it won't stop.

105 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:11pm

Gas is $2.15 at the local station. I got the privilege of voting against The Obama today. The car mechanic finally figured out what has been plaguing my car for the last year. I went to a great formal party this evening. Talked to the girl I love, yet our non-relationship is more tragic than Greek tragedy. In all, a good day. And alas, I have to go to more parties the next two days. Oh, the suffering.

106 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:18pm

re: #80 Charles

See the 'Friday Evening Open' thread for the ugly details.

I'm finished supporting Robert Spencer. He made his choices, and that's that.

I was reading his profile, is something missing?

107 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:25pm

re: #94 RirghtSideOfTheFence

Newest Zogby poll;
McCain 48
Nobama 47

Fox News said on-air tonight:
McCain: 49
Obama: 47

108 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:28pm

re: #100 MandyManners

*WHACK*

Ow, ow!


Baracks bimbos?

109 cjstavern  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:28pm

I thought it was scary when Clinton used the IRS to audit Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Juanita Brodderick, Monica Lewinsky, The American Spectator, National Review, Bill OReilly, etc... But this takes it to a whole new level. It's pretty sad when I think the best thing to do is keep quiet. Who will they destroy next? If they're willing to go after someone as insignificant as Joe the Plumber they'll go after anybody.

110 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:37pm

I wonder if Obama will check pass email too? If so I'm screwed. I will be executed if they check text messages.

111 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:26:48pm

re: #78 middlecon

This is the same stuff that the 'other side' says about Bush on a regular basis. Don't be like them.

Under the eeeeeeeviiiil Patriot Act some americans making calls to dodgy people over-seas were listened to and some other long standing practices were codified (see Gorelik arguments during Clinton renewal of FISA)

Under Obama, a private citizen or local journalist disagreeing with a presidential candidate gets dry anal raped.

a little hyperbole might be forgiven

112 Wishing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:11pm

The zero is NOT leading by 30pts and he SHOULD be, what with the pass given him by the MSM, their refusal to do ANY true investigative reporting.
McCain is gonna wipe the floor with his sorry arse.

113 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:13pm

re: #102 Junior

Link to Zogby?

Drudge... Main headline
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

114 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:16pm

re: #105 David IV of Georgia

Talked to the girl I love, yet our non-relationship is more tragic than Greek tragedy.

Make your move. my friend. I am talking from experience, and regret.

115 Beddgelert  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:24pm

The desperation to discredit Joe is because of this and many other reasons:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

be sure to click on the link to REDSTATE at the bottom of the post too.

In the case of Barack Hussein Obama perception is everything.

116 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:30pm

re: #70 jaunte

I don't understand how some people can seriously write hooey like this:

"In a world of so much doubt, he brings a glimmer of hope. Hope that we as a people might dig ourselves out of a pit of dispair."

Well he can't spell.
I read the whole thing; now my head hurts.
And my cat could probably write better than that.

117 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:35pm

Wow, the Columbus Dispatch endorsed McCain. That's shocking.

118 johngaltlives  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:27:56pm

re: #103 Noam Sayin'

I do not what I would do without my fellow LIzards. This and campaigning are the only things keeping me sane. Otherwise I would be building a bunker deep in the mountains of Wyoming. //

119 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:08pm

re: #107 Max Darkside

Fox News said on-air tonight:
McCain: 49
Obama: 47

Clarification: That is the FOX NEWS POLL (different from Zogby's)

120 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:16pm

re: #116 Killer Tomato

It's hard to dig out of the pit of dispair when your loins are all girded.

121 swamprat  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #106 JeremyR


Yes;

Racism Supporter
122 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:34pm

re: #82 arethusa

Wait, isn't that over the limit? By about $200?

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley donated the maximum to Obama. Then donated an extra $200 separately. Since that second donation was only $200 she didn't need to sign her name to it but for some bizarre reason she did, basically admitting she was committing a violation of federal election law.

123 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:43pm

Can someone tell me how to find an article about Hellen Jones-Kenney that I posted?

124 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:28:51pm

Since Democrats are more likely to have government jobs, particularly in "human services," I don't see any way we can stop this sort of abuse of power unless we drastically reduce or eliminate these harmful agencies.

125 johngaltlives  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:11pm

re: #120 jaunte


I heard girding your loins makes sex last longer.//

126 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:26pm

Just to quote Drudge:

"ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all..."

127 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #122 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley donated the maximum to Obama. Then donated an extra $200 separately. Since that second donation was only $200 she didn't need to sign her name to it but for some bizarre reason she did, basically admitting she was committing a violation of federal election law.

At least we know where $200 of the $700,000,000 came from!

128 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:29pm
XLVII

"Think as I think," said a man,
"Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad."

And after I had thought of it,
I said, "I will, then, be a toad."

129 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:46pm

re: #90 jaunte

Isn't $2300 the legal limit?

I think so, so yeah, it is odd.

130 coquimbojoe  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:29:48pm

re: #122 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley donated the maximum to Obama. Then donated an extra $200 separately. Since that second donation was only $200 she didn't need to sign her name to it but for some bizarre reason she did, basically admitting she was committing a violation of federal election law.

These people make me sick

131 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:09pm

re: #124 hermeneutics

Since Democrats are more likely to have government jobs, particularly in "human services," I don't see any way we can stop this sort of abuse of power unless we drastically reduce or eliminate these harmful agencies.

here here!
or is it
hear hear!

I never really thought about that before.

132 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:21pm

re: #120 jaunte

It's hard to dig out of the pit of dispair when your loins are all girded.

If mine are girded then it's been a good day.

133 johngaltlives  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:40pm

re: #126 astronmr20

I need to read the details. State polls lag the nationals. But what really counts are electoral votes. We need those battle ground states.

134 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:47pm

re: #118 johngaltlives

I do not what I would do without my fellow LIzards. This and campaigning are the only things keeping me sane. Otherwise I would be building a bunker deep in the mountains of Wyoming. //

There's one there already. Knock on the door and see if they'll let you in.

135 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:50pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'
BTW, it is against the law to lick toads in Australia.

136 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:30:55pm

What is so bizarre about Zogby having McCain in the lead is that yesterday he had an Obama +12 day.

137 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:02pm

re: #130 coquimbojoe

re: #122 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley donated the maximum to Obama. Then donated an extra $200 separately. Since that second donation was only $200 she didn't need to sign her name to it but for some bizarre reason she did, basically admitting she was committing a violation of federal election law.

These people make me sick

And not a damn thing will happen to her.

138 middlecon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:13pm

Any links to this fox news poll? I don't see it on the fox news homepage.

I think it would be hilarious if that whiney infomercial turned out to be the real turning point.

Only the 'truly dedicated' are voting early, I don't think any kind of swing voter/impressionable voter are voting early, so I wouldn't say its too late for a momentum shift.

139 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:21pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Can someone tell me how to find an article about Hellen Jones-Kenney that I posted?

Short answer? Click your avatar, then search through your recent comments.

140 ted  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:31pm

re: #110 braddock

I wonder if Obama will check pass email too? If so I'm screwed. I will be executed if they check text messages.

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141 CIA Reject  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:32pm

re: #122 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley donated the maximum to Obama. Then donated an extra $200 separately. Since that second donation was only $200 she didn't need to sign her name to it but for some bizarre reason she did, basically admitting she was committing a violation of federal election law.

Criminal, stupid, and with the power to ruin your life.

142 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:43pm

re: #109 cjstavern


The Messiah will not be mocked.

(Yeah, fuck him and his big ears)

143 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:31:51pm

re: #135 pingjockey

BTW, it is against the law to lick toads in Australia.

Then I'll wait until I get to New Zealand.

144 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:04pm

re: #126 astronmr20

Just to quote Drudge:

"ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all..."

Us reddneck NASCAR volters is intellijent!

/

145 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:07pm

If McCain gets elected, there need to be NO LET-UP in the investigation into the rampant voter and finance fraud in the Obama campaign.

In the past two elections, the Republicans seemed to "forgive and forget." This time, it may cost them the election. If they are victorious, they need hearings, public humiliation, and jail-time as high-up as possible.

146 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:17pm

re: #120 jaunte

It's hard to dig out of the pit of dispair when your loins are all girded.

Does Victoria's Secret sell "Loin Girdles", I wonder?

147 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:21pm

re: #143 Noam Sayin'

re: #135 pingjockey

BTW, it is against the law to lick toads in Australia.

Then I'll wait until I get to New Zealand.

Yeah, those Kiwis know how to party!

148 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:22pm

re: #109 cjstavern

I thought it was scary when Clinton used the IRS to audit Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Juanita Brodderick, Monica Lewinsky, The American Spectator, National Review, Bill OReilly, etc... But this takes it to a whole new level. It's pretty sad when I think the best thing to do is keep quiet. Who will they destroy next? If they're willing to go after someone as insignificant as Joe the Plumber they'll go after anybody.

The Clintons got away with that nonsense, mainly because the press refused to make a big deal of it. Think of what Obama would be able to get away with! He has the MSM totally in the tank for him. If they find something dirty they won't even report it.

149 coquimbojoe  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #137 6pat6

It pisses me off to no end. I bet some McCain donors get hammered for it though...

150 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:27pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

I love when you get all poetic justice on us!

151 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:27pm

Voting twice should be punished by losing one's voting privileges.

152 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:33pm

re: #138 middlecon

Any links to this fox news poll? I don't see it on the fox news homepage.

I think it would be hilarious if that whiney infomercial turned out to be the real turning point.

Only the 'truly dedicated' are voting early, I don't think any kind of swing voter/impressionable voter are voting early, so I wouldn't say its too late for a momentum shift.

the early voting hasn't been looking good for Obama either. not the huge numbers or huge Dem advantage either

153 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:33pm

re: #139 Noam Sayin'

Short answer? Click your avatar, then search through your recent comments.

Noam, that's not feasible.

154 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:32:55pm

re: #142 Iron Fist

The Messiah will not be mocked.

(Yeah, fuck him and his big ears)

Racist!

155 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:05pm

re: #142 Iron Fist

And his skinny legs.

156 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:11pm

re: #82 arethusa

Wait, isn't that over the limit? By about $200?

That's what I thought, too.

157 Beddgelert  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:19pm

re: #145 astronmr20

damn right...R Emmanuel first!

158 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:28pm

re: #138 middlecon

Any links to this fox news poll? I don't see it on the fox news homepage.

It was orally reported on either Hannity or Gretawire, I forget. Not published yet.

159 Rancher  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:31pm

re: #69 JeremyR

I HAD to down ding that one. DO NOT GO GENTLY!

LOL, that was a little dig at MandyManners, whom I, Rancher, love. It's from the first Friday Evening Open thread. I'll take any dings, up or down.

/Attention starved.

160 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:33:42pm

re: #143 Noam Sayin'
Mwahaha! Apparently some toads secrete a toxin for defense and it is a hallucenagenic when humans ingest it. Just think, a live source for LSD trips!

161 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:00pm

re: #135 pingjockey

BTW, it is against the law to lick toads in Australia.

Heh. My pekingese would be under arrest. Here in AZ we've had an outbreak of some kind of poisonous frog in certain areas. She is obsessed with them. Every leaf or rock has to be inspected. To make things worse they are nocturnal which means I don't see them before she does.

The frogs come out at night, the frogs come at niiiiight.....

162 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:12pm

The youth never materialized for poor Obama.
The AA turnout was already at record levels in 2006 so he really can't get much more out of it. There aren't enough felons to make a difference.

The blue states got bluer. The rest of the country got wiser.

obama is screwed.

163 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:23pm

FCC Probe Signals Democratic Attack Machine

A Federal Communications Commission investigation of on-air military analysts is providing a glimpse of what Democrats and an Obama administration will do to critics once they capture Washington.

The FCC has sent letters to some of the nation's most prominent military analysts -- some of them pro-President Bush and pro-war -- suggesting they may have broken the law when they appeared on television stations to comment on and explain the war on terrorism.

The FCC investigation raises the question of whether a Democrat-controlled Congress and White House next year will investigate -- and perhaps criminalize -- all sorts of actions taken by the Bush administration. Obama is leading in all presidential polls, while Democrats are set to greatly increase their hold on the House and Senate.

The FCC letters came at the behest of two House Democrats, who say the analysts parroted on air the private briefings they received at the Pentagon. This may have broken the law, the lawmakers said.

/are we having fun yet?

164 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:25pm

re: #136 hermeneutics

What is so bizarre about Zogby having McCain in the lead is that yesterday he had an Obama +12 day.

He admits his polls are influenced by his sense of "what's going on in the street." I'm betting that may be in play here.

165 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:28pm

Wonder how many felons, drunk college kids, dead people, multiple voters, kindergarteners, and crooks BHO will have to have voting to win? That's the only way he can do it.

166 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:32pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Noam, that's not feasible.

Then I'm stumped.

...

Wanna lick my toad?

167 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:33pm

Sickening, yet they whine about the Patriot Act.

"Do as we say, not as we do."

168 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:37pm

re: #154 spidly

Racist!

Don't you mean "earist"?

169 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:51pm

re: #142 Iron Fist

no thanks

170 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:34:59pm

re: #105 David IV of Georgia

Ah- I have quite the non-relationship with the girl I love. And I am excited that my first election will be one where I will have the privilege of voting against O.

171 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:03pm

re: #161 Hard Right

Heh. My pekingese would be under arrest. Here in AZ we've had an outbreak of some kind of poisonous frog in certain areas. She is obsessed with them. Every leaf or rock has to be inspected. To make things worse they are nocturnal which means I don't see them before she does.

The frogs come out at night, the frogs come at niiiiight.....

Hi, Hard Right. Where in AZ do you live? Phoenix area?

172 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:26pm

re: #145 astronmr20

I've felt for a long time that the Republicans would win most votes if the polls were fair. I'd guess that fraud is less than 5%, but when things are as close as they have been for the past 10 years that 5% can easily be the difference between who wins and who loses.

173 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:26pm

re: #145 astronmr20

If McCain gets elected, there need to be NO LET-UP in the investigation into the rampant voter and finance fraud in the Obama campaign.

In the past two elections, the Republicans seemed to "forgive and forget." This time, it may cost them the election. If they are victorious, they need hearings, public humiliation, and jail-time as high-up as possible.

There needs to be major reform - the registration process seems hopelessly corrupted. And what is so wrong with requiring ID to vote? Crazy.

174 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:34pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Can someone tell me how to find an article about Hellen Jones-Kenney that I posted?

right here

175 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:45pm

re: #164 arethusa

He admits his polls are influenced by his sense of "what's going on in the street." I'm betting that may be in play here.

Huh, I didn't know that. He was probably caught up in the "army of youth" model of turnout, then.

176 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:50pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Can someone tell me how to find an article about Hellen Jones-Kenney that I posted?

This it?
[Link: www.swocol.com...]

177 lostlakehiker  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:54pm

The reason matches just fine. The Ohio Department of Child Support needs to


you have to read between the lines. He dissed a Dem, he goes down

know whenever someone becomes of figure of public controversy, whether there may be outstanding warrants against him, anything of the sort.

he dissed a dem, he goes down if at all possible

The department does its duty as best it can

it dances with those what brung it

to see to it that the law is administered fairly

advantageously to dems.

178 pink freud  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:54pm

re: #88 Typicalwhitey

McCain is going to win it, I can feel it moving thataway lol.

Earlier I read on hillbuzz a person who said she was an obama staffer.
She basically stated that the polls are being stacked, that they are having staffers blog to dispirit McCain supporters and that if the R's go and vote that obama will lose.

I believe this!

*GreatTypicalWhitey*

/gettin' started early :-)

179 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:35:58pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Noam, that's not feasible.

I’m sorry, Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that...

180 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:18pm

Let's just say what it is.
ZerObama was schooled, groomed, tutored, assisted and worked alongside radicals with Communist/Socialist/Revolutionary mindset and goals.
This is their method of dealing with anyone that criticizes them.
Use the power of government to put down the individual.
ZerObama (whether he knows it or not) is part of a diabolical plot.
They are liars, criminals, thieves and enemies of the Constitution of The United States of America.

DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS! no sarc!

Power to the Correct People!
(Obama is so incorrect!)

181 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:21pm

re: #152 spidly

the early voting hasn't been looking good for Obama either. not the huge numbers or huge Dem advantage either

I read last night that in polling Florida, I think it was ABC found that for those who had already voted (note: very small sample size), a clear majority had voted for McCain. I can find a link if you want.

182 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:22pm

All the public wailing about the abuses that would occur with the Patriot Act was the lefties airing what they would do if they had access to that kind of power.

They always accuse their opponents of what is in their own hearts. They can't help it.

183 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:37pm

re: #161 Hard Right
Not good. We had a dog get a hold of a toad and it damn near choked to death. The secretions of the toad made the dog foam at the mouth. I have no idea what kind of toad. It was up here in the Northwest.

184 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:40pm

re: #139 Noam Sayin'

Short answer? Click your avatar, then search through your recent comments.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

185 Macker  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:55pm

re: #48 6pat6

Insult Kim Jong-Il - go to the reeducation camps...

Insult B-HO - go through an anal probe, then off to the reeducation camps.

A B-HO Presidency. Wait til the weasel tries to amend the Constitution to allow himself to be declared POTUS For Life. Hell, he'd probably just issue an Executive Order, once his brown-shirt squads Civilian National Security Force gets organized...

There, fixed that for ya!

186 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:36:57pm

re: #151 hermeneutics

It is in the State of Tennessee. Election fraud is one of a handful of felony convictions that you can't have your voting rights restored after.

187 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #160 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Apparently some toads secrete a toxin for defense and it is a hallucenagenic when humans ingest it. Just think, a live source for LSD trips!

A person's gotta be seriously jonsing for a buzz if they'd lick a damned frog just to cop one!

Yikes. I'd puke. But I'd probably think it was pretty while doing so.

188 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #180 IslandLibertarian

Let's just say what it is.
ZerObamaHerr Obama was schooled, groomed, tutored, assisted and worked alongside radicals with Communist/Socialist/Revolutionary mindset and goals.
This is their method of dealing with anyone that criticizes them.
Use the power of government to put down the individual.
ZerObama (whether he knows it or not) is part of a diabolical plot.
They are liars, criminals, thieves and enemies of the Constitution of The United States of America.

Fixed that.

189 coquimbojoe  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:37:33pm

re: #163 Killian Bundy

FCC Probe Signals Democratic Attack Machine

/are we having fun yet?

Damn fascists! Who were the two fools who sicced the FCC on the Generals?

190 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:37:36pm

Did anyone see Arnold Swartzenegger (sp?) in Ohio with McCain?

191 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:37:47pm

re: #185 Macker

No, I had it right the first time.

192 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:01pm

My mouth is hanging open with this Zogby poll... are you kidding me?!

Of course - national polls mean squat

193 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:04pm

re: #150 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I love when you get all poetic justice on us!

Stephen Crane, from The Black Riders and Other Lines.

Haven't read it in years, and Charles' open thread for the bitter, selfish redneck gun-clingers reminded me of the third stanza:

In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said, "Is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter -- bitter," he answered;
"But I like it
Because it is bitter,
And because it is my heart."

It seemed halloweenish, so I've been posting stanzas intermittently all night.

194 jaunte  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:37pm

re: #189 coquimbojoe

John Dingell of Michigan rears his ugly head again.

195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:42pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Did anyone see Arnold Swartzenegger (sp?) in Ohio with McCain?

It's on youtube.

196 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:43pm

re: #186 Iron Fist

It is in the State of Tennessee. Election fraud is one of a handful of felony convictions that you can't have your voting rights restored after.

In federal elections, it should be a nationwide felony. Period. No more voting privileges.

197 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:38:56pm

re: #174 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Nice one!

198 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:04pm

re: #106 JeremyR

I was reading his profile, is something missing?

Robert Spencer has for some time been an eloquent and staunch defender of western culture in regards to the onslaught of Islam. He has recently, as Charles has noted, given not overt, but somewhat passive approval—but approval none the less—to some anti-Islamic fascist, white power eugenetic groups in Europe. Charles and most LGF members have zero tolerance for white power fascists, nazis or any other racists. Hopefully Robert Spencer, whose moral compass has been quite good until recently, will realize that he is making a mistake and renounce these ties. Until then Charles and LGF are washing their hand of him.

199 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:11pm

re: #192 Junior

My mouth is hanging open with this Zogby poll... are you kidding me?!

Of course - national polls mean squat

Yes, but their trendlines usually show some truth.

200 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:12pm

re: #195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It's on youtube.

thanks. I'll look.

201 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:22pm

re: #181 Max Darkside

I read last night that in polling Florida, I think it was ABC found that for those who had already voted (note: very small sample size), a clear majority had voted for McCain. I can find a link if you want.

Nevada too.

202 Gearhead  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:23pm

re: #166 Noam Sayin'

Wanna lick my toad?

Keyboard soaked. Cat staring at me like I'm insane.

203 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:28pm

Just had a Wright G_d Damn America Commercial.

I didn't think we'd have anything here in OR. Maybe the Obama endorsing Merkely for senate is a reason.
I had no intention of voting for that waste of space Smith, but I have to. They had to run an irresponsible loon on the democrat side.

204 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:35pm

re: #148 wolfie

The Clintons got away with that nonsense, mainly because the press refused to make a big deal of it. Think of what Obama would be able to get away with! He has the MSM totally in the tank for him. If they find something dirty they won't even report it.

Some say CNN is for Clinton News Network, but truth is, its Communist News Network. The further left, the more they like you.

205 ted  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:37pm

re: #165 6pat6

Wonder how many felons, drunk college kids, dead people, multiple voters, kindergarteners, and crooks BHO will have to have voting to win? That's the only way he can do it.

Here you go !

Convicted rapper T.I. gets to vote despite the rap
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Fri Oct 31, 6:25 pm ET

ATLANTA (Reuters) – This time last year things were not looking good for Grammy-award winning rapper T.I.
The 28-year-old was facing three federal weapons charges, each of which carried a possible 10-year sentence if convicted and his career appeared to be in ruins.
But things have been looking up for T.I., the Atlanta native who was born Clifford Harris. The court postponed his sentence for a year and said that if he completed 1,000 hours of community service he would receive just one year in jail.
His latest album, Paper Trail, went to No. 1 this month on the U.S. pop chart -- his third number one album in a row.
And this week, to his surprise, he even got to vote.
The multi-platinum selling star, who has spent much of the year talking to young people about the dangers of guns and drugs, has also urged young people to register.
He had assumed his own conviction would prevent him from voting. However, he did some research and found he was in fact eligible.
"Feels like I've taken advantage of my right to become a part of the democracy," he said after casting a ballot in Georgia, a state that allows early voting.
"It was definitely worth standing in line and doing all the things people complain about voting. I think it's more than worth it," he said.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

206 lostlakehiker  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #165 6pat6

Wonder how many felons, drunk college kids, dead people, multiple voters, kindergarteners, and crooks BHO will have to have voting to win? That's the only way he can do it.

Drunk college kids do, after all, have the right to vote, all except those under 18. College kids attending away from home have, if I'm not mistaken, the legal right to declare residency in the state where they study, or in their parents' home state, as they choose. They can't legally register, much less vote, in both states.

Crooks, if their voting rights have not been suspended because of felony conviction statutes in their state---and felony convictions---also have the right to vote.

Dead people have the right to vote, but only if they live in Chicago or South Texas.

207 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:47pm

...

208 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:39:54pm

re: #171 hermeneutics

Hi, Hard Right. Where in AZ do you live? Phoenix area?

The dog lives in the Glendale area. I live elsewhere. She's officially my ex-gf's dog, but the dog adopted me as her daddy. I babysit her at my place sometimes or go to my ex's place when she'll be working for 10 hours or more.

209 Archimedes  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:40:07pm

re: #179 Hard Right

I’m sorry, Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that...

What are you doing, Dave.

210 CIA Reject  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:40:31pm

Good night everybody.

Keep the Faith!

211 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:40:35pm

re: #198 David IV of Georgia

Robert Spencer has for some time been an eloquent and staunch defender of western culture in regards to the onslaught of Islam. He has recently, as Charles has noted, given not overt, but somewhat passive approval—but approval none the less—to some anti-Islamic fascist, white power eugenetic groups in Europe. Charles and most LGF members have zero tolerance for white power fascists, nazis or any other racists. Hopefully Robert Spencer, whose moral compass has been quite good until recently, will realize that he is making a mistake and renounce these ties. Until then Charles and LGF are washing their hand of him.

Good summation.

Now, go tell the girl that you love her.

212 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:40:44pm
Helen Jones-Kelly said the senator from Illinois is just one example of a strong African American male leader.

"We have outstanding African American men – men of color – throughout this country"

My previous link:
[Link: www.swocol.com...]

213 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:01pm

re: #140 ted

Patrick Henry had BAD MotherF'er on his wallet!

214 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:04pm

re: #181 Max Darkside

I read last night that in polling Florida, I think it was ABC found that for those who had already voted (note: very small sample size), a clear majority had voted for McCain. I can find a link if you want.

pretty sure I heard that GOP had a slight advantage in early voting in cally-fornya of all places.

215 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:09pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Noam, that's not feasible.

Check your computer history. If its like mine, there are only a few sites outside of LGF, GOC, BMEWS and the local news.

216 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:45pm

re: #196 hermeneutics

In federal elections, it should be a nationwide felony. Period. No more voting privileges.

Wrong.

217 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:49pm

Somehow I get the feeling Joe The Plumber has been violated more than Buford Smith when he was abducted for the night by aliens and taken to the spaceship.

218 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:49pm

re: #207 Mich-again

...

you trying to get to the previous thread through keyboard commands?

219 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:41:59pm

Here's why the Columbus Dispatch's work on this story is important. Ohio went for Bush in 2004. But, Franklin County (Columbus metro area) went for Kerry. See the Ohio county election map for 2004.

[Link: www.uselectionatlas.org...]

They are the red county in the middle (Bush is blue on this map). So, there are some real votes to gain in Franklin county when their major newspaper is reporting on these shennanigans.

220 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:10pm

re: #214 spidly

pretty sure I heard that GOP had a slight advantage in early voting in cally-fornya of all places.

Out of 210,000, they were down by only 1,000.

Supposedly.

CA will be blue, no doubt, but if that is true, it could be a gauge to how the swing-states will go.

221 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:13pm

re: #196 hermeneutics

For fraud? I'd agree with it. OTOH, I am a big proponent of the theory that when you've served your time, you should get your Civil Rights back in most cases. If a person is too dangerous to, say, let them own a gun, then why are you letting them back onto the streets in the first place.

222 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:15pm

re: #209 Archimedes

What are you doing, Dave.

He's trying to open the pod bay doors, again. Happens almost every Halloween.

223 Wishing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:15pm

re: #183 pingjockey

Not good. We had a dog get a hold of a toad and it damn near choked to death. The secretions of the toad made the dog foam at the mouth. I have no idea what kind of toad. It was up here in the Northwest.

We have same kind here in East Tn I guess...my dog cant help but pick them up in his mouth and then the foaming starts. You would think they would learn, but they dont. lol

224 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:28pm

re: #175 hermeneutics

I think the youth vote is going to happen this year, and it terrifies me. I've never been on a college campus before for an election, but the peer pressure to vote is amazing, and it's at least 6-1 for Obama. You have Facebook, you have texting, you have all sorts of ways of nagging 20 yr. olds until they vote, and the ones who vote have all sorts of ways of bragging about it.
Honestly, I think higher participation is generally a good thing. This election cycle, though, it might just lead to disaster.

225 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:34pm

re: #206 lostlakehiker

Drunk college kids do, after all, have the right to vote

True, but with our college campuses laden with liberal flu, and the natural state of most college students being drunk and confused politically, they have always been ripe for the Lefty agitprop. No different this year.

226 ted  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:42:49pm

re: #213 braddock

Patrick Henry had BAD MotherF'er on his wallet!

Most people only know the quote, but the speech was kickass!

227 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:43:19pm

Remember, Lizards, that Zogby is a THREE DAY tracking poll. So even though McCain won today's poll, it will not show up until the election day. There should be some real movement toward McCain tomorrow.

Wednesday Obama had a HUGE +12 day. It must have been some sort of outlier. That huge number has to work its way out of the three day track before McCain's true polling number emerges.

And, of course, this, too, could be an outlier as much as the +12 Obama ... but I don't think so.

Zogby has had McCain down by 3 to 5 point for more than a week, except for the +12 Obama day.

Amazing amount of variation, huh?

228 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:07pm

Ahh. Charles, thanks for changing the headline. It was a bit confusing before.

229 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:24pm

re: #218 spidly

you trying to get to the previous thread through keyboard commands?

All I can say about that is Hey! Wha Happened?

230 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:27pm

I'm having a ton of fun with OpenSecrets.org, which tells you who gave what to which campaign. Google some really lefty celebrities, like Sarandon (who apparently does not know there are limits to contributions by individuals - the campaigns had to return quite a bit of her money), and you'll get an eyeful.

231 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:35pm

re: #203 spidly

Um, right now I'd have to say that I'd have to vote for the Republican no matter what. We can't let the Democrats have a filibuster-proof Senate. Not if Obama wins the Presidency, anyway.

232 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:40pm

re: #224 mrosett

That's the story every election. I don't see it being any different this time. Some will vote. But largely, the youth vote doesn't amount for much.

233 Charles  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:44:46pm

re: #198 David IV of Georgia

Robert Spencer has for some time been an eloquent and staunch defender of western culture in regards to the onslaught of Islam. He has recently, as Charles has noted, given not overt, but somewhat passive approval—but approval none the less—to some anti-Islamic fascist, white power eugenetic groups in Europe. Charles and most LGF members have zero tolerance for white power fascists, nazis or any other racists. Hopefully Robert Spencer, whose moral compass has been quite good until recently, will realize that he is making a mistake and renounce these ties. Until then Charles and LGF are washing their hand of him.

The approval is FAR more than passive at this point.

234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:45:06pm

re: #200 hermeneutics

thanks. I'll look.

LOL, McCain called Biden the gift that keeps on giving.

235 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:45:11pm

re: #225 6pat6

I've been keeping a close eye on many of my Professors. Luckily, none of them have shown much of their political ideologies. That's how it should be though. Then again this is my first year.

236 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:45:20pm

re: #208 Hard Right

The dog lives in the Glendale area. I live elsewhere. She's officially my ex-gf's dog, but the dog adopted me as her daddy. I babysit her at my place sometimes or go to my ex's place when she'll be working for 10 hours or more.

Carefree here. I had intended to have an election day party but Strep throat ruined it. Maybe we'll all get together after the election ... nic blue. Let me know if you are interested.

237 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #175 hermeneutics

Yeah...about those youngsters. Neither I nor a couple of other profs I've talked to in the area have seen the special enthusiasm the kids are supposed to be showing this election cycle.
(Of course, this ain't California, but still.......)

238 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:45:45pm

re: #225 6pat6

True, but with our college campuses laden with liberal flu, and the natural state of most college students being drunk and confused politically, they have always been ripe for the Lefty agitprop. No different this year.

some were talking of dropping the voting age to 16. how about we raise it to 25 or 30.

never happen but there really should be some requirements. a constitution and world geography quiz....something.

239 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:08pm

re: #224 mrosett

Please refrain from being an Eeyore tonight. With the Foxnews and Zogby poll numbers, I'm Walking Sunshine.

240 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:13pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Wrong.

Why do you disagree with the idea of permanently revolking the voting rights of people who commit voter fraud?

241 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:25pm

re: #203 spidly

Just had a Wright G_d Damn America Commercial.

I didn't think we'd have anything here in OR. Maybe the Obama endorsing Merkely for senate is a reason.
I had no intention of voting for that waste of space Smith, but I have to. They had to run an irresponsible loon on the democrat side.

Just got the same one here in blue state California.

242 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:48pm

re: #220 astronmr20

Out of 210,000, they were down by only 1,000.
Supposedly.

How is that arrived at? Polling and asking if they have voted already and how they voted? Those aren't actual counts, tho, right, because ballots are not yet opened?

243 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:49pm

re: #222 Noam Sayin'
Damn silicon based lifeforms. Can't trust any of them.

244 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:52pm

re: #224 mrosett

The kiddie vote really doen't make much of a difference - it never has. With all the "Rock the Vote" crap, and all of the activities on various colleges; especially in "battleground" states (a tacit statement meaning that the rest of the US does not matter!), the 18 - 25 yo vote has never been a swayer at all.

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:55pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Please refrain from being an Eeyore tonight. With the Foxnews and Zogby poll numbers, I'm Walking on Sunshine.

PIMF

246 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:46:59pm

re: #186 Iron Fist

Good ol' Rocky Top!

247 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:47:10pm

re: #238 spidly

but there really should be some requirements. a constitution and world geography quiz....something.

I'd be happy with the purple finger rule so no one could vote twice.

248 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:47:12pm

re: #238 spidly

Only one problem with the quiz, who would make it? Whoever makes it will have some sort of Bais into what they think Americans should know for such a quiz.

249 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:47:21pm

re: #209 Archimedes

What are you doing, Dave.

I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.

(sounds like obama)

250 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:47:37pm

re: #221 Iron Fist

For fraud? I'd agree with it. OTOH, I am a big proponent of the theory that when you've served your time, you should get your Civil Rights back in most cases. If a person is too dangerous to, say, let them own a gun, then why are you letting them back onto the streets in the first place.

I tend to agree, but voter fraud is one area that I think they should lose the right forever.

251 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:47:48pm

re: #158 Max Darkside

It was orally reported on either Hannity or Gretawire, I forget. Not published yet.

Heh, heh... you said 'orally'... heh, heh....

/Beavis mode

252 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:05pm

Hey all y'all - sorry if I'm "tardy" but I've skimmed the transcript and don't understand two things (at least): a) why is there so much gloom and doom about the possible outcome of the election and
b) I never knew I was in a pit of despair. No really, I never knew that!
I mean, sure I've been down about my cancer and all, but I haven't really felt in "despair". Is that sorta like Jimmy Carter's "Malaisse" - cause I didn't know Americans were suffering from that either when he mentioned it.

253 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:14pm

I mailed in my absentee ballot from Texas to Tennessee this Monday. What's the spread on my vote making it to Madison County, TN?

254 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:26pm

re: #233 Charles

The approval is FAR more than passive at this point.

Has it been pointed out to Mr. Spencer the full views of these people, GoV and such? If so, I thought he had more integrity than that.

The end does not justify the means. He's Catholic—he should know that. Kyrie, eleison.

255 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #237 wolfie

Yeah...about those youngsters. Neither I nor a couple of other profs I've talked to in the area have seen the special enthusiasm the kids are supposed to be showing this election cycle.
(Of course, this ain't California, but still.......)

Yesterday I got a voting card for my daughter who goes to school in CA. My daughter registered to vote in CA and has already voted. If she was dishonest, she could have voted in two states.

We need to do something about this sort of redundancy in registration.

256 astronmr20  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:48pm

re: #242 Max Darkside

How is that arrived at? Polling and asking if they have voted already and how they voted? Those aren't actual counts, tho, right, because ballots are not yet opened?

It was on Hillbuzz. He's notorious for being a little "over-zealous."

257 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:50pm

re: #235 Backstaber

I've been keeping a close eye on many of my Professors. Luckily, none of them have shown much of their political ideologies. That's how it should be though. Then again this is my first year.

I wish I could say the same thing about my professors. My Constitutional law professor called Palin ignorant yesterday, and manages to attack McCain at least once a class. Then again, he is angling for a Supreme Court nomination. I'm not sure what my chemistry prof's agenda is though....

258 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:48:56pm

re: #230 arethusa

Senator Obama is going to need the extra millions he'll have after Tuesday in order to give back all the "Doodad Pro" and "Loving You" donations. That kind of donations will run into the tens of millions, possibly even a hundred million.

Not to mention the Sarandon-type overages.

259 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:49:27pm

re: #252 realwest

Hey all y'all - sorry if I'm "tardy" but I've skimmed the transcript and don't understand two things (at least): a) why is there so much gloom and doom about the possible outcome of the election and
b) I never knew I was in a pit of despair. No really, I never knew that!
I mean, sure I've been down about my cancer and all, but I haven't really felt in "despair". Is that sorta like Jimmy Carter's "Malaisse" - cause I didn't know Americans were suffering from that either when he mentioned it.

Good to see you my friend, same here, not in any gloom or doom and in fact very optimistic about the future, hope you're feeling better.

260 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:49:45pm

re: #247 Mich-again

Require picture ID to vote. I had to show my Drivers License in order to vote. It really ain't that big a deal. I'd have to show my DL to buy beer, after all. The people who complain about having to show Photo ID are pro-fraud.

Otherwise, it ain't that big a deal.

261 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:49:46pm

re: #231 Iron Fist

Um, right now I'd have to say that I'd have to vote for the Republican no matter what. We can't let the Democrats have a filibuster-proof Senate. Not if Obama wins the Presidency, anyway.

yeah, I know, Smith really is a huge piece of monkey dung. and yeah, I'll vote for him

262 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:49:50pm

re: #247 Mich-again

I'd be happy with the purple finger rule so no one could vote twice.

Except for Barney the Dinosaur.

He could just vote and vote and vote, and nobody, man, NOBODY would know.

263 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:04pm

re: #252 realwest

See that's where you're confused. It's dispair. Not despair. Two totally different things.
I guess.

264 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:04pm

re: #238 spidly

some were talking of dropping the voting age to 16. how about we raise it to 25 or 30.

never happen but there really should be some requirements. a constitution and world geography quiz....something.

Raise the voting age to 25 and lower the drinking age to 18 in exchange.

265 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:12pm

re: #203 spidly

Just had a Wright G_d Damn America Commercial. I didn't think we'd have anything here in OR.

Hey, I'm a S.N.O.B. too! (Society of Native Oregon Born). Corvallis, Eugene, Salem, Corvallis, Medford/Ashland (I got around).

266 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:15pm

re: #257 mrosett

I wish I could say the same thing about my professors. My Constitutional law professor called Palin ignorant yesterday, and manages to attack McCain at least once a class. Then again, he is angling for a Supreme Court nomination. I'm not sure what my chemistry prof's agenda is though....

Yeah, wanna guess what my Professors have been doing though? Teaching, and lecturing about the subject that the class is about! A shocker, I know. ;)

267 Gearhead  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:33pm

re: #247 Mich-again

I'd be happy with the purple finger rule so no one could vote twice.

Surely that must violate someone's right to non-ink-stained hands or something.

Thinking of coloring my middle finger red on Tuesday...

268 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:54pm
LIX

Walking in the sky,
A man in strange black garb
Encountered a radiant form.
Then his steps were eager;
Bowed he devoutly.
"My Lord," said he.
But the spirit knew him not.

269 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:50:57pm

Someone have a link to the mentioned youtube vid of ahnold and mcdaddy today? Anything good?

270 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:51:06pm

re: #267 Gearhead

Thinking of coloring my middle finger red on Tuesday...

Excellent idea!

271 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:51:27pm

re: #269 Junior

Someone have a link to the mentioned youtube vid of ahnold and mcdaddy today? Anything good?

Arnold got on Obama's case for having skinny legs, very funny.

272 Bos2112  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:51:39pm

ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...

OHHH YEA BAYYYYY BEEEEE!

273 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:51:40pm

re: #267 Gearhead

Thinking of coloring my middle finger red on Tuesday...

Novel idea!

274 capitalist piglet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:51:45pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Please refrain from being an Eeyore tonight. With the Foxnews and Zogby poll numbers, I'm Walking Sunshine.

If that's a link to that tune, I'm going to have to throw the yellow weighted flag at you. Lots of musicians hang out here, you know.

We need a better 'happy song'. Whatcha got?

275 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:06pm

Eye acting up. Time for antibiotics and bed. Computer screen appearing very bright. Damn.

276 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:15pm

re: #237 wolfie

Yeah...about those youngsters. Neither I nor a couple of other profs I've talked to in the area have seen the special enthusiasm the kids are supposed to be showing this election cycle.
(Of course, this ain't California, but still.......)

My daughter at UC Santa Cruz says that the Obamaniacs are highly motivated at her campus. But so what else is new?

If the McCain campaign were into dirty tricks, it could give out a bunch of free dope the morning of Election Day, and the Obama voters would be too baked to vote.

277 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:16pm

re: #208 Hard Right
Hey, just a question for you about your Pekingese. My Meggie was a Pek-a-poo and the sweetest furgirl around. I'm approved to adopt a purebred Pekingese from petfinders. Just wondering about their temperament? How is yours?

278 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:25pm

re: #260 Iron Fist

Require picture ID to vote. I had to show my Drivers License in order to vote. It really ain't that big a deal. I'd have to show my DL to buy beer, after all. The people who complain about having to show Photo ID are pro-fraud.

Otherwise, it ain't that big a deal.

I think that every voter should have to swipe their driver license to vote. Don't you have a stripe on the back of your license? In AZ, we do. It contains all the info -- name, DOB, address, etc. The polling worker could simply compare the info on the card with that in the database.

279 Dustyvet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #61 TheMatrix31

I bought a white shirt, and wrote on it with a thick sharpie "JOE".

Then I got a tool holder thing (not exactly a belt) to put on my waist, and I got a wrench and a mini plunger.

A mini plunger? How much does Hanoi John Kerry charge for that?...:)

280 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:29pm

re: #248 Backstaber

Only one problem with the quiz, who would make it? Whoever makes it will have some sort of Bais into what they think Americans should know for such a quiz.

if it were straight up text of the constitution and straight up geograpy then there wouldn't be anything subjective.... well, I suppose lefties might mark you down for identifying United States of America rather than AmeriKKKa on the globe.

282 Cartman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:52:52pm

re: #250 JeremyR

I tend to agree, but voter fraud is one area that I think they should lose the right forever.

Absolutely.

283 chee toe  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:53:20pm

re: #208 Hard Right

The dog lives in the Glendale area. I live elsewhere. She's officially my ex-gf's dog, but the dog adopted me as her daddy. I babysit her at my place sometimes or go to my ex's place when she'll be working for 10 hours or more.

Toad licking...while Rome burns... ya gotta love this place!

284 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:53:21pm

re: #264 pablito

Raise the voting age to 25 and lower the drinking age to 18 in exchange.

lower it to 16 and better than 3/4 of the kids would agree to never vote.

285 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:53:29pm

re: #260 Iron Fist

Require picture ID to vote. I had to show my Drivers License in order to vote. It really ain't that big a deal. I'd have to show my DL to buy beer, after all. The people who complain about having to show Photo ID are pro-fraud.

Otherwise, it ain't that big a deal.

After voting today, I realized that with little effort beyond a will to commit felonies for the sake of a cause, I could vote a dozen times with zero chance of being found out here. Photo IDs, proof of citizenship and such should be obligatory. The only reason not to have them is to facilitate fraud.

286 Haverwilde  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:54:06pm

The creeping fascism of the Democratic (should I say national socialist?) party, with the destruction of the opposition, the suppression of news by the left leaning media, the use of DOJ lawyers to fight republican senators and GOP vote fraud problems while ignoring rampant voter registration abuse by ACORN and various state Democratic party officials.
It is time to prepare for another American revolution.

287 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:54:15pm

re: #272 Bos2112

I think the magic number is 7. If Obama is not up by 7 going into Tuesday. he loses. Bradley

288 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:54:21pm

re: #280 spidly

if it were straight up text of the constitution and straight up geograpy then there wouldn't be anything subjective.... well, I suppose lefties might mark you down for identifying United States of America rather than AmeriKKKa on the globe.

Exactly, I agree with the concept totally, just that there are too many factors that would work against it. Remember, lefties aren't based in facts. ;)

289 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:54:28pm

re: #278 hermeneutics

I think that every voter should have to swipe their driver license to vote. Don't you have a stripe on the back of your license? In AZ, we do. It contains all the info -- name, DOB, address, etc. The polling worker could simply compare the info on the card with that in the database.

I have to swipe that to buy Claritin in the drug store. I have no problems with voter ID. My liberal friends scream that they are "burdensome" and there's no evidence of voter fraud in this country. *rolls eyes super-dramatically*

290 Palandine  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:54:40pm

I can't WAIT to vote on Tuesday.

I'm nursing the flame of hope. Not getting cocky, but startig to feel the possibility.

My yellow-dog democrat mom came to visit this week. She's voting for McCain, and she's started calling Obama "The Messiah." This is huge!

Heh.

291 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:03pm

About 4 months ago I blocked MSNBC from all televisions in my house ...I now only watch FOX news ... I just could not take the Senator Government is Messiah any longer ...after I saw the Zobgy poll on Drudge I flipped over to CNN for the first time in a long time ....The whole last 20 minutes has been about a black man running for president ...every talking head was saying something about black this black that ...Bradley effect , black votes being stolen, Oprah even said her vote was not being registered correctly on a touch screen so she had to go back and check the screen, and on and on ...I was not raised in a racist home ...my parents would have washed my mouth out with soap if I had ever used the N word ...I have voted for black candidates in the past ...So, to hear this racist crap still after all this time in this election just really makes me mad ...CNN is doing blacks no favors ...they are setting it up so that when Senator Government loses it will appear to them that he could have only lost because "the white man" stole it from them ....

292 Wishing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:07pm

re: #281 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Here's Arnold's endorsement of McCain from earlier today, from Columbus, Ohio, ironically.

Ya know, you NEVER hear the Obama crowd chanting USA USA USA USA!

293 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:14pm

back on topic

All the fluff the left put out about Joe the Plumber not really owning a business and not being a licensed plumber obviously worked because a fence-sitter where I work has been joking with the lefties about Joe not being licensed, etc. instead of paying attention the the real issue of Zerobama's response to his question.

I will attempt to refocus him next Monday.

294 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:22pm

re: #286 Haverwilde

The creeping fascism of the Democratic (should I say national socialist?) party,

Yes, you should.

295 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:24pm

I watched Greta interview the Palins this evening, on Halloween, and it was nice. Then look at Obama RUNNING AWAY on [Link: www.drudgereport.com....] RUNNING AWAY from the press, after he told the press to "Get back on the bus!".

Over authoritative COWARD

296 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:32pm

re: #255 hermeneutics

As I understand it, there is very little, if any, communication between states to curb the practice of voting in two or more different ones.
That needs to be corrected, for sure.

297 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:39pm

re: #290 Palandine

I can't WAIT to vote on Tuesday.

I'm nursing the flame of hope. Not getting cocky, but startig to feel the possibility.

My yellow-dog democrat mom came to visit this week. She's voting for McCain, and she's started calling Obama "The Messiah." This is huge!

Heh.

Helllllll yeah!

298 razorbacker  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:55:44pm

Not a Halloween story, and I'm not going to say 'Boo' at the end.

Long ago, I dated a girl we'll call DJ. Nice girl, but frankly she only dated me because it put a finger in her father's eye and I only dated her because her Dad gave me free beer and BBQ. Well, and she was enthusiastically cooperative. When it ended, she was nice enough to pass me along to her bestest friend. We're still married, and DJ and the wife are still bestest friends.

DJ had a little sister, a pretty little girl whose name is not relevant to this story. Grew up, became a nurse, married and had two kids. Time rocked on, as it does, and the sister yielded to the temptation of easily available pain medications. Got fired for it, went to rehab, got out and started to put her life together, we thought.

DJ called crying. Woke the wife up, and they're both having a good boo-hoo. They found the sister in her car, parked on the side of a gravel road way out past nowheres. Dead of an overdose. OTC stuff, if first reports hold. I don't know how you do that. I mean, I know how you do it, I just don't know how you do that.

Suicide. I may be a carrier, but I'll never be a victim.

299 hermeneutics  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:56:21pm

Good night, folks. Glad to leave you on such an upbeat note -- such a difference from yesterday! Remember, Zogby is a three-day rolling average so Mac's good day won't show up tomorrow.

Take care of yourself, Realwest.

And goodnight, Charles.

300 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:56:31pm

re: #265 Max Darkside

Hey, I'm a S.N.O.B. too! (Society of Native Oregon Born). Corvallis, Eugene, Salem, Corvallis, Medford/Ashland (I got around).

I was born in Sacramento, even though the family has been here since great grandfather was lighthouse keeper first at Cape D then Coquille/Bandon in 1880's.
Parents left OR for about 10 years.

301 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:56:46pm

re: #250 JeremyR

I agree. Most of the crimes that I'd make it permanent for (say, rape, or most homicide charges) I don't think should be let back onto the street. Repeal most of the bullshit charges, and lock 'em up for real crimes.

302 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:56:53pm

Dead even in Iowa!

Snip:

Everyone has written-off Iowa. In fact, we've been very curious as to why McCain -- who opposes Ethanol subsidies -- has "wasted" his time there this year.

I'm on a conference call right now with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. According to Davis, McCain's internal polling shows them "dead-even in Iowa." Davis says this is the reason Obama is headed there to campaign ...

303 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:57:06pm

re: #287 braddock

I think the magic number is 7. If Obama is not up by 7 going into Tuesday. he loses. Bradley

7 is exactly my estimate for the over statement by the polls so far. But the polls will be partly driven toward accuracy, because they cannot be seen as WAY off after election night. But there will be an Obama bias to try to psyop the election. Conflicting forces.

304 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:57:42pm

re: #287 braddock

I'm not sure Bradley exists. This has probably been linked before, but it seemed pretty convincing. Sorry to go Eeyore on you...

305 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:57:53pm

Just to recap.

Joe merely questions the Obama - and for that he is investigated (he owes taxes!, he doesn't have a license!), insulted, and illegally investigated by at least three different Dems at three different agencies.

Three newspapers endorse McCain and are kicked off Obama's plane for the magazine of national importance, Jet and Essence.

An ABC photographer is arrested, handcuffed, and hauled away for taking pictures of Dems leaving a hotel on a public sidewalk

Obama requests that the Department of Justice halt a radio station from airing a report on his connection to Ayers, and has his followers harass the station.

The New Yorker reporter is kicked off the plane after the "Obama in a Turban" cover. Especially ironic because the New Yorker was working FOR him, trying to mock those images.

Both an Orlando and a Philadelphia newstation are banned from further interviews after reporters at each individually asked hard questions of Joe Biden. - THEN the husband of one of the reporters was investigated and attacked (with accusations, not physically)

Any more examples of Obama silencing critics that I missed?

306 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:58:08pm

re: #276 stuiec

Heh. Sounds like a plan! :)

307 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:58:13pm

re: #303 Max Darkside

But there will be an Obama bias to try to psyop the election

They've engaged in psyop the entire time!

308 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #292 Wishing

Ya know, you NEVER hear the Obama crowd chanting USA USA USA USA!

Or see them waving American flags.

309 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:58:57pm

The jerks on ABC (Nightline) saying Obama's as good as in, with a nine-point lead in the polls. Fuckin' assholes.

310 6pat6  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:58:59pm

re: #308 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ya know, you NEVER hear the Obama crowd chanting USA USA USA USA!

Or see them waving American flags.

Are you surprised by this?

311 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:59:20pm

re: #258 Intrepid
What makes you so sure that Obama's gonna win on Tuesday? Think about what'll happen to all that dough when he loses!

312 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:59:22pm

re: #300 spidly

... great grandfather was lighthouse keeper first at Cape D then Coquille/Bandon in 1880's.

Cool! The Oregon coast is one of the most beautiful in the world. Just glorious in Summer.

313 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 8:59:49pm

re: #302 Typicalwhitey

Dead even in Iowa!

Snip:

Everyone has written-off Iowa. In fact, we've been very curious as to why McCain -- who opposes Ethanol subsidies -- has "wasted" his time there this year.

I'm on a conference call right now with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. According to Davis, McCain's internal polling shows them "dead-even in Iowa." Davis says this is the reason Obama is headed there to campaign ...

If it's even, Obama loses.

314 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:05pm

Well I read the thread, and I can't say I'm surprised. He's spun off into strange orbit.

315 Joel  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:30pm

Funny how you can go to any Borders or Barnes & Nobel book store and there are several shelves with books about how repressive and fascistic Bush, Republicans, Conservatives are. The irony is quite amusing.

316 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:35pm

re: #287 braddock

I think the magic number is 7. If Obama is not up by 7 going into Tuesday. he loses. Bradley

I'd give a couple points due to Bradley, but 5 due to oversampling of D's

317 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:35pm

re: #259 Dublin(CA)Dude
Hey buddy - y'all ought to check your e-mail! It's certainly good to see you out here!

318 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:38pm

re: #309 Ward Cleaver

The jerks on ABC (Nightline) saying Obama's as good as in, with a nine-point lead in the polls. Fuckin' assholes.

Dude. Throw your TV in the trash.

Don't even sell it. Just chuck it.

319 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:39pm

Last election I had to make my polling authorities look at my ID.

They were all, "No. That's okay. We have your name right here."

And I was all, "What if I'm not really Noam Sayin', noam sayin'?"

I really stuck the vernacular on that one, didn't I?

320 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:54pm

re: #299 hermeneutics

Good night, folks. Glad to leave you on such an upbeat note -- such a difference from yesterday! Remember, Zogby is a three-day rolling average so Mac's good day won't show up tomorrow.

That's true. His good day is Tuesday.

321 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:58pm

re: #298 razorbacker

My sympathies to you, your wife and her friend. Maybe the hardest part of that situation is the knowledge that there will never be an adequate answer to the question, "Why?"

322 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:00:58pm

re: #247 Mich-again

I'd be happy with the purple finger rule so no one could vote twice.

That becomes problematic with absentee and early balloting.

323 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:03pm

re: #278 hermeneutics

We don't have that here. All I had to do was show them my license, and verify that my name, address, etc. were still good. If you had an organization that was intent on committing voter fraud, you could probably get away with it, but it would require a massive effort.

I think one reason that we see so much fraud is simply because we've made it so damn easy to commit fraud. Letting people without ID register and vote on the same day, for example. WTF is up with that?

324 Haverwilde  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:05pm

re: #309 Ward Cleaver

With Obama so far in the lead, there really isn't any reason for the Democrats to go to the polls. Spread the word....to all the demoncrats.

325 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:08pm

re: #309 Ward Cleaver

who watches Nightline on a Friday night?

326 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:33pm

re: #307 6pat6

They've engaged in psyop the entire time!

I got my sentence tense off. S.B. past, present, future. Thanks.

327 rustynail  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:35pm

re: #12 arethusa

Another reason this story stinks - Joe's son lives with him. As far as I know, that's his only child. Why would they even be justified in doing a child-support search?

This kind of misses the point ... every one of us has something in the past that can be used as an excuse for digging into our history, "our papers". There is no reason for this to happen, but we've allowed such a police state to grow up around us. It needs to be stopped now!

328 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:01:59pm

re: #312 Max Darkside

Cool! The Oregon coast is one of the most beautiful in the world. Just glorious in Summer.

I am more of a winter beach guy. Love the storms, especially at Shore Acres.

329 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:13pm

re: #318 pablito

Dude. Throw your TV in the trash.

Don't even sell it. Just chuck it.

I just have to laugh. I already voted yesterday, straight Republican ticket.

330 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:24pm

The democrats don't want a picture ID to vote, but you must have a picture ID to attend The Zero's election night rally.
But won't this make the poor people not be able to attend?/

331 Gearhead  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:30pm

re: #298 razorbacker

That's really awful. I lost a great uncle to suicide about 12 years ago.

Couldn't do it either. I have two little boys who need a Dad.

332 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #314 Thanos

Well I read the thread, and I can't say I'm surprised. He's spun off into strange orbit.

The fascist apologist orbit.

333 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:55pm

re: #305 Silhouette

Stanley Kurtz when he was interviewed on that radio station in Chicago, or was it Detroit? All the callers protesting sounded like they were reading from the same script. Called him a name...I forget what it was. Muckraker...?

334 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:02:57pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

If it's even, Obama loses.

Well I wondered why Obama felt he had to go back there and their excuse was to "run up the total", which I felt was a complete lie.
Guess I was right.

Oh and I am in Missouri and I personally guarantee that we will go McCain!

335 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:05pm

re: #325 ratherdashing

who watches Nightline on a Friday night?

With my three trick-or-treaters already asleep? Me.

336 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:10pm

re: #289 arethusa

I have to swipe that to buy Claritin in the drug store. I have no problems with voter ID.

That's so weird. In Canada we can buy Claritin off the shelf but need a prescription for Rhinalar (corticosteroid nasal spray).

337 Cartman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:26pm

re: #291 JacksonTn

CNN is doing blacks no favors ...they are setting it up so that when Senator Government loses it will appear to them that he could have only lost because "the white man" stole it from them ....

That is exactly what they want to happen.

338 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:28pm

re: #310 6pat6
re: #315 Joel

Funny how you can go to any Borders or Barnes & Nobel book store and there are several shelves with books about how repressive and fascistic Bush, Republicans, Conservatives are. The irony is quite amusing.

Oh boy, I was at the Borders store near me the other night, walked through the doors and there was a table to your right, all Obama books in the front, all of them. Then on the sides are the Anti-Bush books, and I found the McCain books beneath the Anti-Bush books. I had fun rearranging it for the better. Went in the next night, found it again in that dismal state.

339 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:33pm

re: #263 Killer Tomato
Uh, What? Dispair/Despair? I always thought it was spelled despair?!?
Spell check says despair.
Oh well, I ain't in either one right now!

340 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:45pm

re: #308 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Or see them waving American flags.

Patriotism is for us bitter, clingy types, didn't you get the memo?/

341 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:51pm

re: #306 wolfie

Heh. Sounds like a plan! :)

My mom lives in Mendocino County. I bet a short walk in the woods would yield up enough raw material to put that plan into motion -- provided the "farmers" weren't around with their AK-47s, or hadn't left behind surplus land mines as a security measure.

342 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #311 realwest

What makes you so sure that Obama's gonna win on Tuesday? Think about what'll happen to all that dough when he loses!

RW, I never said he was going to win! How did you get that out of my post? I think he's going to lose.

I did say that he'll have to keep a good deal of that loot around in order to refund all the bogus, excessive and fraudulent donations.

But win? Obama? Nah. Mac and Sarah will carry the day on Tuesday.

343 Strike Hornet  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:03pm

re: #35 MI_weirod

Don't you know only Terrorists and their supporters can have their privacy violated.

/sarc

can you imagine the seething rage from the left if this had happened to a Muslim?

344 Junior  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:05pm

Ahnold: "John McCain spend longer as a POW of this country than Obama has spent as a Senator"

345 ratherdashing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:07pm

re: #335 Ward Cleaver

With my three trick-or-treaters already asleep? Me.

mmm. Did they inventory their candy? :)

346 Hard Right  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:09pm

re: #277 newsjunkie_ky

Hey, just a question for you about your Pekingese. My Meggie was a Pek-a-poo and the sweetest furgirl around. I'm approved to adopt a purebred Pekingese from petfinders. Just wondering about their temperament? How is yours?

She seems to be the exception to the rule. She is very mellow, loves meeting new people, and is very quiet. She's also too darned smart. She even learned to spell the word walk.
FWIU they tend to be a one person dog and bark a bit. That means very loyal and absolutely devoted to you-and probably no one else. My dog is a purebred and mostly white with some cream coloring. They tend to be somewhat strong willed and territorial too. She intimidates the heck out my brother's 45 pound dog and she marks territory. She weighs all of 20 pounds.
I love her to death.

347 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:15pm

re: #302 Typicalwhitey

Dead even in Iowa!

Snip:

Everyone has written-off Iowa. In fact, we've been very curious as to why McCain -- who opposes Ethanol subsidies -- has "wasted" his time there this year.

I'm on a conference call right now with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. According to Davis, McCain's internal polling shows them "dead-even in Iowa." Davis says this is the reason Obama is headed there to campaign ...

Hillbuzz's contact in Iowa told them this too.

348 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:33pm

re: #305 Silhouette

Just to recap.

Joe merely questions the Obama - and for that he is investigated (he owes taxes!, he doesn't have a license!), insulted, and illegally investigated by at least three different Dems at three different agencies.

Three newspapers endorse McCain and are kicked off Obama's plane for the magazine of national importance, Jet and Essence.

An ABC photographer is arrested, handcuffed, and hauled away for taking pictures of Dems leaving a hotel on a public sidewalk

Obama requests that the Department of Justice halt a radio station from airing a report on his connection to Ayers, and has his followers harass the station.

The New Yorker reporter is kicked off the plane after the "Obama in a Turban" cover. Especially ironic because the New Yorker was working FOR him, trying to mock those images.

Both an Orlando and a Philadelphia newstation are banned from further interviews after reporters at each individually asked hard questions of Joe Biden. - THEN the husband of one of the reporters was investigated and attacked (with accusations, not physically)

Any more examples of Obama silencing critics that I missed?

Sheriff Mike Scott of Lee County, Florida being investigated by the US Special Counsel for wearing his uniform speaking the Messiah's middle name at a Palin rally . . .

349 Wishing  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:36pm

re: #310 6pat6

Are you surprised by this?

not at all.Just restating the obvious. It seems all Dem conventions/rallies are bereft of patriotism and have been for years.

350 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:04:43pm

re: #327 rustynail

Was just pointing out another logical reason that the story stinks (beyond all the information in the article). I do get the point, very much so.

351 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:03pm

Just a reminder to all bloggers:

Over the past few months many of you have put in many hours writing excellent posts extolling the virtues of voting Republican, or decrying the danger of voting for the O. Many people in America are real procrastinators, and they are just tuning in now. Please pick a few of your finer past pieces, update them, and republish again all through the weekend into Monday. Flood the zone.

352 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:13pm

re: #328 spidly

I am more of a winter beach guy. Love the storms, especially at Shore Acres.

Shore Acres
Almost got myself washed out to sea there once

353 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:29pm

re: #298 razorbacker

A permanent solution to a temporary problem. It looks like an escape to some.

354 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:39pm

re: #332 Sharmuta

The fascist apologist orbit.

I'll be kind and call it the strange bedfellows orbit.

355 arethusa  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:43pm

re: #336 Moe Katz

That's so weird. In Canada we can buy Claritin off the shelf but need a prescription for Rhinalar (corticosteroid nasal spray).

They changed it a few years ago. Anything with suphedrine in it in the US (for colds and allergies) must now be purchased at the pharmacy counter, because those products can be used to make crystal meth.

356 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:51pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

so damn easy to commit fraud. Letting people without ID register and vote on the same day, for example. WTF is up with that?

I don't know why ACORN even bothered picking up real homeless people. Just trade ACORN workers from the next town/city/state over, and not shower for a day or four, and pretend to be local homeless, registering again and again, at each polling place in town.

357 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:05:55pm

College can be a bit overdone when it comes to liberal indoctrination, but it does teach you your history. Consider the following passage that I read for my history class:

Above all, the early fascists were young. Many of the new generation were convinced that the white-bearded men responsible for the war, who still clung to their places, understood nothing of their concerns, whether they had experienced the front or not. Young people who had never voted before responded enthusiastically to fascism’s brand of antipolitical politics.... The fascist parties swept their members up into an intense fraternity of emotion and effort.


(Robert Paxton The Anatomy of Fascism)
The parallels aren't perfect, but Mussolini and Hitler are good examples of what happens when young people get caught up in "change".

358 Bos2112  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:00pm

re: #287 braddock

Very true ! I would just LOVE to the look on Michelle Os face when she sees her kingdom slipping away. heheeeeee

359 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:07pm

re: #287 braddock
Um, sorry to be so ignorant but what means up by 7, Bradley?!

360 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:17pm

re: #339 realwest

Dispair is what you answer when the shoe salesman says, "So, which shoes do you want to buy?"

361 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:34pm

re: #328 spidly

I am more of a winter beach guy. Love the storms, especially at Shore Acres.

My grandparents had a house in Manzanita ([Link: www.neahkahnie.net...] on a hill, yet about 100 yards from the beach, looking up at Mt. Neahkahnie ([Link: www.oregon.com...] I was over there for the storms, and the Alaskan Earthquake tidal wave alert, and...

362 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:36pm

re: #335 Ward Cleaver

With my three trick-or-treaters already asleep? Me.

I've eaten so much candy tonight I think I'm gonna be sick. My mouth is all puckered up from the sour apple laffy taffy and whatnot.

BRB... going downstairs to get some more.

363 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:38pm

re: #298 razorbacker

re: #304 mrosett

Bradley lives, at least in one instance. Father In Law is a union man, donated money to the Chosen One and told me after a couple tottys that he would never vote for Barry. Said he was just going through the Union motions.

364 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:54pm

re: #301 Iron Fist

I agree. Most of the crimes that I'd make it permanent for (say, rape, or most homicide charges) I don't think should be let back onto the street. Repeal most of the bullshit charges, and lock 'em up for real crimes.

For most stuff, I favor a max sentence of 20 years, with a max life time of 25. Life sentences create a caged animal who will not attempt to reform his or her life. The rapists and child molesters do not need to be housed for ten, twenty fifty years. They only need a year at most to review the trial data and confirm the conviction, then its on to the final appeal of the universe via a hunk of braided hemp.
The prisons should be stark, and harsh, but not cruel. The standards for defining what is and is not cruel should be left to the legislatures, not the courts.
Legislatures enact the laws, the executive branch enforces it, and the courts invoke it.

365 Joel  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:58pm

They are going to try to suppress the Republican vote the coming days, don't even listen to the news this weekend as the polls are all biased for Obama. I will not even watch one second of the news for the next three days and that includes Fox as well as O'Reilly is a defeatist.

366 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:06:58pm

re: #318 pablito

Dude. Throw your TV in the trash.

Don't even sell it. Just chuck it.

I keep mine in the corner to gather dust. I think it still works. Until someone says something to remind me, I forget it is even there now. Oh, yeah. I own a TV—it's there in the corner gathering dust.

367 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:07:04pm

re: #348 Florida Lady

Sheriff Mike Scott of Lee County, Florida being investigated by the US Special Counsel for wearing his uniform speaking the Messiah's middle name at a Palin rally . . .

The "truth squad" in Missouri consisting of sheriffs and prosecutors.

368 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:07:07pm

re: #354 Thanos

Fair enough. But if he's going to vouch for fjordman, I'll stand by my comment.

369 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:07:30pm

re: #346 Hard Right
Thanks. Meg was small, only 11.5 lbs., rarely barked and loved everyone but me the most.
One of the little girls I've been approved to adopt looks just like Meggie.
Sounds like your little girl is a sweety, too.

370 Ackomanyuki  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:07:36pm

Well since I just cut a check for a late filling penalty with the IRS today, and I am now clean and unencumbered in my indenture to Uncle Sugar I can safely say, "Fuck Obama".

371 Backstaber  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:07:56pm

re: #357 mrosett

Very scary. Hope this never comes to pass in America.

Aight, time to hit the sack. Night.

372 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:04pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

... and I won't quibble with you over it either friend.

373 Iron Fist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:21pm

re: #356 Silhouette

If you are serious about it (and are a Democrat) they'll let you vote at any voting place. And the next one, and the next one, and the next...

Hell, vote at all of them. We wouldn't want anyone to feel left out.

374 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #356 Silhouette

I don't know why ACORN even bothered picking up real homeless people. Just trade ACORN workers from the next town/city/state over, and not shower for a day or four, and pretend to be local homeless, registering again and again, at each polling place in town.

Have you considered a career in community organizing?

375 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:25pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

Hillbuzz's contact in Iowa told them this too.

I can't wait for the McCain win and the msm's total meltdown.

376 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #355 arethusa

They changed it a few years ago. Anything with suphedrine in it in the US (for colds and allergies) must now be purchased at the pharmacy counter, because those products can be used to make crystal meth.

Ah, I think that may be in the works here too....

377 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:46pm

re: #372 Thanos

I didn't think so. :)

378 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:08:59pm
379 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:09:14pm

re: #355 arethusa

They changed it a few years ago. Anything with suphedrine in it in the US (for colds and allergies) must now be purchased at the pharmacy counter, because those products can be used to make crystal meth.

And all this time I've only used it for colds./

380 Joel  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:09:35pm

re: #359 realwest

Um, sorry to be so ignorant but what means up by 7, Bradley?!

The Bradley Effect. 1982 Mayor Tom Bradley of LA (a black) running for Governor of California had a decent lead over George Deukmejian in the polls and yet Deukmejian won. Pollsters figured that too many whites felt guilty in the polls to admit that they were not going to vote for the black man so they lied.

381 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:09:39pm

I just hope that if the MSM start calling states early for obambi that everyone IGNORES it and continues to go and VOTE!

382 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:09:46pm

re: #316 spidly

I'd give a couple points due to Bradley, but 5 due to oversampling of D's

yeah I'm taking the over sampling into account. Obama -7 Over/Under 87,000,000

383 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:09:58pm

re: #362 pablito

I've eaten so much candy tonight I think I'm gonna be sick. My mouth is all puckered up from the sour apple laffy taffy and whatnot.

BRB... going downstairs to get some more.

Sticking to Snickers and Reeses PB cups myself. ;)

384 Killer Tomato  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:10:02pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

This scuzzball was on the radio this morning reminding people that when they go to vote for the first time, they need to bring a photo ID and something that shows they live at the address they used when they registered to vote.
Sounds reasonable - sounds like he's doing his job. Except for this...

Massachusetts Attorney General Bill Galvin has been slapped by a federal court for trying to disenfranchise members of the military. Galvin has willfully disobeyed a federal courts' instruction to count the number of military absentee ballots returned to Massachusetts from overseas, especially US sailors and Marines. Galvin has not met this requirement since he's been in office and a court finally slapped him hard. In response, Galvin claims that he doesn't have time to ensure that absentee military ballots are accounted for and counted during an election. The host on the radio then mentioned that Galvin was out in front of a CVS drug store personally passing-out voter registration forms to everyone who walked by -- citizen and non-citizen alike.
385 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:10:27pm

re: #295 Max Darkside
Sorry Max, but in this ONE instance I agree with Obama - he was taking his little daughter out trick or treating - I wish the News Media had let him alone.

386 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:10:40pm

re: #348 Florida Lady

Thanks. Added to the list.

387 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:10:45pm

re: #309 Ward Cleaver

The jerks on ABC (Nightline) saying Obama's as good as in, with a nine-point lead in the polls. Fuckin' assholes.

Honestly Ward, I say keep it up ABC/MSM. Let them keep telling their audience that it's over. They might as well say there's no reason for Obama supporters to go out and vote since it's over, and the vast majority of their viewers are Obama supporters.

388 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:11:06pm

re: #381 Typicalwhitey

I just hope that if the MSM start calling states early for obambi that everyone IGNORES it and continues to go and VOTE!

The PUMAs will ignore it, and so will I.

389 BlueCanuck  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:11:16pm

Well time for me to log off. Early morning coming up. Have a good night and stay scaly lizards.

390 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:11:26pm

re: #359 realwest

Bradley was a black candidate for governor of California who lost after being ahead in the polls. This has happened with a couple other black candidates and is now known as the Bradley effect. It's generally believed to be worth a couple points, although I linked an article disputing its existence a couple posts back

391 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:11:57pm

re: #362 pablito

I've eaten so much candy tonight I think I'm gonna be sick. My mouth is all puckered up from the sour apple laffy taffy and whatnot.

BRB... going downstairs to get some more.

if you alternate between sweets and chips you can pack more in.

392 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:04pm

re: #378 wolfie

He's good !

McCain is calling Biden "Joe the Biden", lol.

393 ggt  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:05pm

Hello Night Lizards! It was a wonderful evening for Trick or Treating in Near Iowa. Warmish and dry.

You know, I heard today that there are people who really believe that humans will work just as hard without an incentive of personal reward as with. I don't think they understand that "fear of bodily harm" is counted as a personal incentive.

How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?

394 rancher  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:19pm

If you want a poll you can trust my son, (not the rustler), who works in a truckstop somewhere on the Llano Estacodo in New Mexico has reported on an unofficial poll in the men's restroom stall. The poll, a two column Obama/McCain checklist that was "posted" around 4pm had 7 McCain votes, (eight after my son voted), to zero Obama by 8:30pm. Will keep you posted.

395 right_on_target  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:41pm

I bet the lefties won't touch Tito the Builder now with a 10 foot pole, or have they?

396 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:46pm

re: #390 mrosett

Bradley was a black candidate for governor of California who lost after being ahead in the polls. This has happened with a couple other black candidates and is now known as the Bradley effect. It's generally believed to be worth a couple points, although I linked an article disputing its existence a couple posts back

It's so hard to apply that principle to this election, though, where there's such a bandwagon effect to vote FOR the black candidate.

397 Max Darkside  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:12:52pm

re: #385 realwest

Sorry Max, but in this ONE instance I agree with Obama - he was taking his little daughter out trick or treating - I wish the News Media had let him alone.

I fully understand the situation, but that is NOT the way to do it.

398 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:13:20pm

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

That becomes problematic with absentee and early balloting.

yeah the whole mouse vs. mousetrap thing.

399 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:13:33pm

re: #385 realwest

Sorry Max, but in this ONE instance I agree with Obama - he was taking his little daughter out trick or treating - I wish the News Media had let him alone.

I agree. Just this once, I will defend Obama: he was doing something normal and innocent. Let's go after him for what he does wrong, not for doing something that most parents do.

400 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:13:43pm

re: #387 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Honestly Ward, I say keep it up ABC/MSM. Let them keep telling their audience that it's over. They might as well say there's no reason for Obama supporters to go out and vote since it's over, and the vast majority of their viewers are Obama supporters.

Yep, that's what I think too

401 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:13:52pm

All the Democrats and Republicans I have talked to today—all of them—said they were voting against Obama.

402 stuiec  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #337 Cartman

That is exactly what they want to happen.

I love inventing scenarios. Here's one:

1) Obama loses by 3 to 5 points.

2) The MSM and the "Progressives" claim that he lost due to racism and the Bradley effect.

3) He becomes even more of a hero to the MSM and Progressives than Gore was when he "won" in 2000.

4) This forecloses Hillary's "I-Told-You-So" narrative by which she was going to preemptively claim the 2012 nomination by pointing out that she would have beaten McCain.

5) Obama coasts to the 2012 nomination, and avoids having to deal with the messy and laborious matters of governing from 2009 to 2012, what with the recession, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran, etc., etc., which McCain will conveniently be forced to clean up for him.

The best part is the part that the Obama people can't bring themselves to admit:

6) He loses again in 2012, by a wider margin, because in the intervening four years the American people learn much more about him.

403 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:14:32pm

re: #395 right_on_target

They will probably accuse him of being an illegal alien and then criticize his English.

404 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:14:47pm

re: #304 mrosett
Well I thank you for clearing up the Bradley Effect for me, but what the heck is "Eeyore" ?

405 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:18pm

re: #402 stuiec

You forget the best part of that Scenario:

In 2012, he loses to Sarah Palin.

406 wolfie  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:33pm

re: #298 razorbacker

That is so, so sad.
I'm glad her family has friends like you and your wife, though.
Heaven knows they'll need comfort and support..

407 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:38pm

I don't believe that if obama loses he will be able to run again.
The hopey changey thing only works once.

408 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:43pm

re: #404 realwest

Well I thank you for clearing up the Bradley Effect for me, but what the heck is "Eeyore" ?

Some who is all gloom and doom.

409 ggt  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #298 razorbacker

Sometimes people find life too painful. I don't understand it. All I can be is greatful I have never walked in their shoes.

410 braddock  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:15:49pm

re: #402 stuiec

You forgot to add to your list number 1.5----Civil War 2

411 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:05pm

re: #391 spidly

if you alternate between sweets and chips you can pack more in.

lol! ... All I need is some beer to wash this toxic mix down and I'll be all set.

412 poopeedoo  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:14pm

re: #404 realwest

Well I thank you for clearing up the Bradley Effect for me, but what the heck is "Eeyore" ?

Kinda like a wet blanket.

413 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:17pm

re: #402 stuiec

Obama loses. His ties to terrorists come out. People listen. He is limited to running for senate. He becomes the new Teddy Kennedy.

414 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:29pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Someone who is all gloom and doom.

Self smack!

PIMF, again.

415 Thanos  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:30pm

I'm not counting on the Bradley effect for McCain to win, I'm counting on the McGovern effect.

416 little boomer  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:34pm

re: #407 Typicalwhitey

I don't believe that if obama loses he will be able to run again.
The hopey changey thing only works once.

You get only one chance to win.

417 Joel  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:49pm

If McCain wins (hopefully) I hope he tells Adelman, Powell, McClellan, Duberman, Noonan, Brooks, Frum, Will, Chris Shays, Chuk Hagel, and other faux conservatives to go f*** themselves.

418 mrosett  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:57pm

re: #404 realwest

I questioned the McCain-is-winning polls earlier tonight, and someone told me to stop being like Eeyore (from Winnie-the-Pooh, who is known for always being gloomy and pessimistic)

419 JacksonTn  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:16:59pm

Isn't there a large Air Force base in Colorado that would help McCain?

420 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:17:10pm

re: #413 HelloDare

Obama loses. His ties to terrorists come out. People listen. He is limited to running for senate. He becomes the new Teddy Kennedy.

He becomes Ted Kennedy's new pool boy.

421 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:17:28pm

re: #404 realwest

Well I thank you for clearing up the Bradley Effect for me, but what the heck is "Eeyore" ?

The gloomy donkey from Winnie the Pooh

422 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:17:34pm

re: #324 Haverwilde
Oh, I agree completely with that. We ought to tell the Dems what the ABC folk said so that the Dems don't have to go vote on November 5th. Ya know, just to show that there's no hard feelings!

423 Joel  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:17:47pm

re: #407 Typicalwhitey

I don't believe that if obama loses he will be able to run again.
The hopey changey thing only works once.

I agree. In 2012 he will have been in the Senate for 7 years and will have nothing to show for it. He will be yesterdays news.

424 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:17:50pm
LXVI

If I should cast off this tattered coat,
And go free into the mighty sky;
If I should find nothing there
But a vast blue,
Echoless, ignorant --
What then?

That's all - I never cared much for the last two stanzas.

425 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:06pm

re: #416 little boomer

You get only one chance to win.

Nixon.

426 pablito  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:27pm

re: #419 JacksonTn

Isn't there a large Air Force base in Colorado that would help McCain?

I think employing air power at this point would be premature.

/

427 spidly  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:27pm

re: #361 Max Darkside

My grandparents had a house in Manzanita ([Link: www.neahkahnie.net...] on a hill, yet about 100 yards from the beach, looking up at Mt. Neahkahnie ([Link: www.oregon.com...] I was over there for the storms, and the Alaskan Earthquake tidal wave alert, and...

I never want to live too far from the water. Grew up in Hood River since 5 years old.
Used to be a nice small town where we could carry guns around and what-not but the trustafarians moved in for the skiing and wind surfing so it is all fucked up and Jackson Hole type trendy. John Kerry would love it now.

428 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:33pm

re: #420 CapeCoddah

He becomes Ted Kennedy's new pool boy.


RACIST!

429 Bos2112  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:50pm

re: #404 realwest

Think Winne the Pooh's buddy

430 realwest  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:18:56pm

re: #330 newsjunkie_ky
Not to mention the aged and the infirm - how the hell are THEY supposed to get into the party?! LOL!

431 little boomer  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 9:19:23pm