The biscuit says it all.

Several people have noted the death of journalism, including journalists. Frankly, they don't seem to care. Unfortunately for them, no one is willing to pay their bills.

The media is a son of a biscuit eater...

Now we just need a stake to finish the job.

Hanson, again straight to the point.

That stake would be a McCain victory.

The king is dead. Long live the king!

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

The media is a son of a biscuit eater...

Hey now, you apologize... I would rather be called a son of a biscuit eater than a journalist any day.

re: #6 Tarkus289

That stake would be a McCain victory.

He'd have to kick the msm out of the press room and bring in the new media.

This bit is pretty cutting too:

The story that the media chose to ignore was not merely the Obama about-face on public financing, or even the enormous amounts of money that he has raised — some of it under dubious circumstances involving foreign donors, prepaid credit cards, and false names. Instead, they were absolutely quiet about a historic end to liberal support for public financing.

For all practical purposes, public financing of the presidential general election is now dead. No Republican will ever agree to it again. No Democrat can ever again dare to defend a system destroyed by Obama. All future worries about the dangers of big money and big politics will fall on deaf ears.

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

No, Robert Spencer is a good man, just a bit misguided.

Case in point: If Obama's aunt, here illegally, had been Sarah Palin's best friend's ex-husband's dogsitter's cousin, we would have already known about it for months now.

Good riddance!

re: #13 arethusa

The Palin family would be dragged over the coals for allowing their poorer relatives to remain in poverty.

Ooh, ooh!

/the new phone book Diddy Blog is here!

A few months ago I said...

The media loses no matter who wins. If it's McCain, it will be painfully obvious that they have very little influence. If it's Obama, the American people WILL discover that they've been sold a pig-in-a-poke.

re: #12 doriangrey

No, Robert Spencer is a good man, just a bit misguided.

I would have to agree at this point. I have great respect for Mr. Spencer, and it appears he does not know what fjordman has truly said in the past. I think if the proper writings could be located and given to him, he may change his mind.

I am sorry to see this split.

re: #8 Charles

Did Killgore set him off again?

The entire left wing is a house of cards, one breeze and it all falls down, we have to hope for a windy day before Tuesday......

The media has been dead for a long while now. What we have in it's place is a rotting, fetid, undead-corpse.

re: #4 jcm

Now we just need a stake to finish the job.

Remember to sever the head from the body and bury the parts separately at a crossroad.

Then nuke the site from orbit to be damned sure.

FTA "The media has succeeded in shielding Barack Obama from journalistic scrutiny. It thereby irrevocably destroyed its own reputation and forfeited the trust that generations of others had so carefully acquired. And it will never again be trusted to offer candid and nonpartisan coverage of presidential candidates."

In VDH we have one of the finest and most eloquent minds extant.

And enemies of O using newspapers as middlemen to blackmail him is another thing to fear.

Just posted this at what is now a dead thread.

Littleoldlady found an interesting article that the LA Times is being used as the middleman for blackmail. I think that's what the article implied. A blatant hidden someone who I will assume by the guest list of that party that someone is saying to him publicly that they expect him to do them favors in the Middle East regarding screwing Israel, or else they will have the tape released.

I think from what I remember from that article she said, do we really want a president who has such a sketchy past, full of shady people that he will always be at risk for blackmail if The One doesn't do what they want?

Also, with him having access to classified and top secret information, I am not at all comfortable who he would invite into the Oval Office.

It is to the centrist and clean blog, such as this one created by Charles Johnson and the "lizards", that the country must turn to chart any sane course.

In the nick of time.

re: #18 vxbush

I would have to agree at this point. I have great respect for Mr. Spencer, and it appears he does not know what fjordman has truly said in the past. I think if the proper writings could be located and given to him, he may change his mind.

I am sorry to see this split.

Robert is far to trusting of what individuals say about themselves. Charles, by the grace of god, actually checks what they say in person against what they have written and published in public.

re: #8 Charles

That's ridiculous that Spencer is behaving like this. You don't agree with him and he's having a fit. I really expected much more maturity from someone like Spencer. Stay strong on what you believe Charles.

Worse still, the suicide of both print and electronic journalism has ensured that, should Barack Obama be elected president...

And it's already started. He's banned reporters from the campaign plane that don't drink the kool-aid.

These morons deserve what they get.

Funny enough, the play I'm directing at my junior high is called Nothing But the Truth, based on a book by young adult fiction author Avi.

A newspaper reporter plays a part in a situation between a student and a teacher getting skewed out of all proportion.

I hope to heaven the audience picks up on the point.

re: #1 Tarkus289

The biscuit says it all.

Rotate 'em: good quote

If McCain wins, a lot of pollsters and journalists should be unemployed immediately.

re: #23 rawmuse

FTA "The media has succeeded in shielding Barack Obama from journalistic scrutiny. It thereby irrevocably destroyed its own reputation and forfeited the trust that generations of others had so carefully acquired. And it will never again be trusted to offer candid and nonpartisan coverage of presidential candidates."

In VDH we have one of the finest and most eloquent minds extant.

Yup, between him and Orsen Scott Card they have exposed the MSM for what they really are... douche bags of the lowest order....

re: #6 Tarkus289

That stake would be a McCain victory.

That would be nuking them from an A4D Skyhawk. (Which was designed in part to carry a tactical nuke. I used to have a photo of one with that payload.)

VDH is right, but this is something we've been saying all along.

Journalistic integrity has gone by the wayside. No more "All the president's men" no more going after the truth no matter the cost. It is sacrificing the truth at the cost of political expediency. Shame on you journalists!

For once, I can say, I'd rather be in the company of a lawyer than a journalist. Today's crop of journalists have destroyed themselves in their greed and lack of integrity. Shame!

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Depends what he is saying.
What is he saying?

As things are going these days in the world of "Tree Media" - looks like the Wall Street Journal will be the new newspaper of record. The Headline not seen and never to be seen should have been:

"NEW YORK TIMES ENDORSES OBAMA - BONDS NOW RATED JUNK"

That is all.

-S-

Worse still, the suicide of both print and electronic journalism has ensured that, should Barack Obama be elected president, the public will only then learn what they should have known far earlier about their commander-in-chief

Either the public won't learn or, if it does, it won't care. How many of Obama's supporters care now?

The MSM is dying and they know it. Obama and the left are their only real hope for retaining power, by way of the fairness doctrine and subsidized journalism. They have gambled what little credibility they have left on this and they are going to lose.

The MSM is dying anyway.

There are 15,000 fewer newspaper employees who have lost their jobs in the US alone in 2008.

That's 15,000 fewer propagandists, about 85 percent of whom were in bed with Obama. The balance of communication power is shifting from the left-leaning MSM to a more balanced, but partisan, new media.

How is everyone this beautiful morning?

re: #8 Charles

I'd vote no.
It's a tarbaby, to use a non-racist reference.

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

re: #8 Charles

What's that quote? ... If you lay down with the dogs you might end up with fleas.

I'd let him spew away. He's just wasting his own IPS server space.

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Take your time to think about it.

I lost a friend and mentor when he went over to that side. It sucks.

Really great on target read.

By accepted standards of behavior, Biden has sadly proven wanting. He has committed almost every classical sin of character — plagiarism, false biography, racial insensitivity, and serial fabrication. And because of media silence, we don’t know whether he was kidding when he said America would not need to burn coal, or that Hezbollah was out of Lebanon, or that FDR addressed the nation on television as president in 1929 (surely a record for historical fictions in a single thought), or that the public would turn sour on Obama once he was challenged by our enemies abroad. In response, the media reported that the very public Sarah Palin was avoiding the press while the very private Joe Biden shunned interviews and was chained to the teleprompter.

re: #24 Teacake!

In the interest of full disclosure... ;-) I "found" that article in the spinoff links.

/somebody else found it
//do I get points for reading it? ;-)

Tito the Builder's comparison of Obama to (T)Hugo Chavez is quite apt. The media will regret what they have done if he wins.

And Charles? Spencer has done what so many people do when they are afraid...they put their morals behind them and embrace a different version of what they fear. Fascism, no matter what it's cultural underpinnings are, is still fascism. Look at how many cite fear of the Bush Administration's policies such as the Patriot Act as the reason they embrace Obama, who will reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

I wonder if the MSM is depending on bail-out money if Obama gets in.
They're gonna need it. After all, they're already a wholly owned subsidiary of ObamaCo®

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Really? really reallyreallyreallyreally?

There is no respect in some quarters.

I am glad of the 2nd amendment.

On, I forgot my link for #39 above: [Link: www.newspaperdeathwatch.com...]

re: #8 Charles

I wandered over and read the post. To anyone who was on that thread last night, Spencer is completely wrong about what went on. He also seems to fail to realize that it's up to bloggers to keep an eye their own sites. A poster of the same name as the one advocating genocide on last night's thread posts at Spencer's site as well. Spencer should really look to his own site for his problems before attacking LGF.

You know, McCain has literally cheated death so many times it's preternatural.

/so many positive waves, maybe he can't lose?

re: #21 Blazer in RIC

The media has been dead for a long while now. What we have in it's place is a rotting, fetid, undead-corpse.

...Just in time for Halloween!

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Who is Robert Spencer, and do we really care? Has he done anything important or is he from the same run of the mill hacks calling themselves journalists?

You've been doing a fine job of keeping it real and focusing on the truth. No outlandish Obama myths posted here. Charles, you've done a better job than the entire media. Keep up your work.

re: #20 Tarkus289

The entire left wing is a house of cards, one breeze and it all falls down, we have to hope for a windy day before Tuesday......

November in Minnesota is usually pretty windy. A really cold wind too.

We can blame the media and the press only so much.

Every single one of us here is subject to the same media and press. Are we an island of mutants, immune to their influence? Are we so much more intelligent then our fellow citizens? We recognize Obama for what he is. We know the danger to the Republic and the capitalism that has made us great.

Otherwise intelligent people are going to vote for Obama, for the economic pain and suffering that will make today seem like heaven, and for the appeasement of our enemies that will bring joy to those who hate us, both foreign and domestic.

Notwithstanding the media, lets blame those who will vote for this waiting catastrophe- our fellow idiot citizens.

re: #52 Killian Bundy

You know, McCain has literally cheated death so many times it's preternatural.

/so many positive waves, maybe he can't lose?

WELCOME BACK FROM THE DARK SIDE, KILLIAN!

;-)

re: #2 vxbush

Several people have noted the death of journalism, including journalists. Frankly, they don't seem to care. Unfortunately for them, no one is willing to pay their bills.

Actually, I think they do care... witness the double-digit decline in the print press over the last few years. It's just a matter of time.

The internet will rule. To paraphrase someone, who's name slips my mind...

We are the journalist we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope...

Lizards of the world... unite!

Back from a videogaming spree to ease my mind over what may yet come to pass. What'd I miss?

re: #19 debutaunt

Did Killgore set him off again?

So we're going to blame Kilgore? Is he good with that?

The media has gone beyond merely shielding Obama from his own poor policy decisions and flawed character. They have helped him manage his dishonest responses when his flaws have been exposed. The JeremiahWright situation is an example. ABC news knew that the relationship with Wright could not be suppressed through the entire election cycle. So ABC picked the best time (for Obama) to provide the Wright inoculation. Obama almost certainly had the Democrat nomination nailed down when they finally released the story. Yet it was early enough to give the majority of the media sufficient time to whitewash the relationship and then declare it to be "ancient history".

Morning Lil, with all the posts and links to sift though I doubt anyone would be mad that you reposted. I wouldn't have found it otherwise. That is one creepy scenario that is really an obvious built in problem with friends like his and why it is extremely important why he hangs out with the scum of the earth.

re: #52 Killian Bundy

You know, McCain has literally cheated death so many times it's preternatural.

/so many positive waves, maybe he can't lose?

I'm thinking the Intrade odds of 84-16 in Obama's favor are actually a good sign for McCain, given his history!

The man loves being an underdog. And throughout this campaign he's campaigned better as one, too.

Anyone remember how many fatwas Robert Spencer has against him?
I stopped counting after about 10 or so.
Sorry to see the schism as well.

The MSM has invested so thoroughly in Obama that they will continue to protect and promote him if he's elected. They have abandoned any normal degree of scrutiny and skepticism when it comes to Obama. They don't even seem to realize how much further their credibility has eroded or that their blatantly biased reporting might have something to do with their declining readership.

re: #22 The Other Les

Remember to sever the head from the body and bury the parts separately at a crossroad.

Then nuke the site from orbit to be damned sure.

You left out, "fill the mouth with salt and sew the lips shut."

re: #41 taxfreekiller

Uh... I think you forgot some decimal points there....

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

They are the enemy in literal truth. Drudge, LGF, and many, many other loyal Americans have exposed them for all the world to see.
The rallying cry of their hippy allies at the 1968 Chicago convention has come back to haunt them:
The whole world is watching!
The whole world is watching!

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

wccaw posted a link to this earlier this morning. A bunch of sick f*s.
Glad drudge linked to it, should help drag down the skinny vegan hippy hamsters pretty fast.

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

Might as well be titled "BURN HERE, BHO FANS."

Journalism may be dead but propaganda is alive and well.

re: #60 Dianna

So we're going to blame Kilgore? Is he good with that?

Killgore knows I'm kidding.

The last three days on Zogby's tracking poll (not the weighted rolling average, but the actual number) have been:

Obama +12
Obama +4
McCain +1

So, if McCain gets another +1 day tonight, with the +12 outlier falling off the rolling average, the new average will be Obama +

With future msm bankruptcies will come government bailouts under a leftist controlled Congress and White House. Government funded propaganda outlets will be born. Like in the commie world.

re: #52 Killian Bundy

You know, McCain has literally cheated death so many times it's preternatural.

/so many positive waves, maybe he can't lose?

Yep, Johnny Comeback is going to pull out another one.

If Obama does win, all the questions will not simply go away. They will be amplified.

The media's determined adoration of Obama is the reason that, if he should get elected, his presidency will be a tainted presidency, an illegitimate presidency.

We'll have a totally unvetted and arrogant person as a president. And he won't be my president.

In this regard, remember Obama’s revealing comment that he was interested only in “fairness” in increasing capital-gains taxes, despite the bothersome fact that past moderate reductions in rates had, in fact, brought in greater revenue to government. Again, fossilized ideology trumps empiricism.

For those who may not have seen this from last night, a guaranteed smile.

Adorable

re: #70 MandyManners

Might as well be titled "BURN HERE, BHO FANS."

The rioters will know where to go when BHO loses.

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

The death throes of most large animals are dangerous.

re: #58 markx

Actually, I think they do care... witness the double-digit decline in the print press over the last few years. It's just a matter of time.

The internet will rule. To paraphrase someone, who's name slips my mind...

We are the journalist we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope...

Lizards of the world... unite!

Yet they see the decline in readership of the press and they do nothing to fix it. They just continue doing more of the same: endless liberal points, endless parroting of liberal lines of reasoning.

re: #7 WindHorse Hey there WindHorse - I responded to your post #1111 on the prior thread as follows:

"That's just downright scary. What the fuck kind of newspaper would do that - not only publish addresses of McCain supporters but show photos of their houses?"
And if you're still out here, I'd like to know what kind of newspaper that is, anyway?

"Journalists" more often than not always get the facts wrong anyhow and I agree without blogs like this and other blogs interested in whats true and real, "the media" would get away with murder. I think they are just upset because they lost their snobby authority long ago.

re: #57 littleoldlady

WELCOME BACK FROM THE DARK SIDE, KILLIAN!

;-)

/you know, I don't think pointing out the extremely simple fact that McCain can't possibly win without Florida and Ohio makes me an Eeyore or crosses me over to the "dark side"

The die has been cast.

Now we just wait for the results.

If this (Obama) presidency MUST happen, thank God it happens while I can deal with it and not when I and my family are slaves to an oppressive government.

America may be faced with a hard choice.

I've already made mine.

re: #73 hermeneutics

So, if McCain gets another +1 day tonight, with the +12 outlier falling off the rolling average, the new average will be Obama +

Isn't this just the first example of how the polls finally have to get honest just before election day, so as to preserve some credibility for future polling?

re: #66 Dianna

You left out, "fill the mouth with salt and sew the lips shut."

You forgot the garlic.

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

The media is a son of a soggy biscuit eater...

Fixed.

And yes, that's very, very nasty, but ever so appropriate.

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

No.
I'm sorry, but there are more important things right now - like preventing B0 entering the White House!

re: #81 vxbush

Yet they see the decline in readership of the press and they do nothing to fix it. They just continue doing more of the same: endless liberal points, endless parroting of liberal lines of reasoning.

It is the very definition of insanity.

re: #78 Tarkus289

For those who may not have seen this from last night, a guaranteed smile.

Adorable

She's got more experience than Obama!

BHO WON'T WIN.

re: #84 Killian Bundy

I could have sworn I saw you wearing long floppy ears!

/okay. whatever.
//we can blame the stock market... ;-)

re: #91 jcm

She's got more experience than Obama!

She's been alive longer than he has been in Washington.

CIA Reject -
Journalism may be dead but propaganda is alive and well.

That sums it up perfectly.

re: #82 realwest

The newspaper "The Stranger" is (one of) Seattle's "alternative" newspapers. You have to have three lip piercings, four ear piercings and fourteen tattoos in order to subscribe, man.

re: #85 witwwats

The die has been cast.

Now we just wait for the results.

If this (Obama) presidency MUST happen, thank God it happens while I can deal with it and not when I and my family are slaves to an oppressive government.

America may be faced with a hard choice.

I've already made mine.

Are you kidding? The 72 hours GOTV has just started. THe 527 ads are running in all BG states. We're bringing the strays back to civilization, Witwwats.

I only hope that it is enough and not too late. But isn't it fascinating that McCain laid low until these final three days and is hitting Obama so fast and furiously that Obama (or his MSM surrogates) can't respond?

It will be a nailbiter on Tuesday.

re: #70 MandyManners

Might as well be titled "BURN HERE, BHO FANS."

And, of course, should something like happen those turds at The Stranger will take no responsibility. One of those homeowners should contact a lawyer.

re: #83 Teacake!

"Journalists" more often than not always get the facts wrong anyhow and I agree without blogs like this and other blogs interested in whats true and real, "the media" would get away with murder. I think they are just upset because they lost their snobby authority long ago.

Not just murder, but genocide. The media instigated the Khmer Rouge conquest of Cambodia by inducing Congress to cut off aid to Lon Nol and the anti-communist forces. They have spent the last 35 years lying and obfuscating about their role in this.

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Chuck it, Charles. It ain't worth it. It's too bad these folks can't understand the fact that what they're espousing is also just as dangerous.

Birds everywhere will be tweeting with joy to learn of the demise of print journalism, resulting in finally clearing the overabundant crap from the bottoms of their cages. And finally, air they can twitter about.

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

What! What! What!

There's no point to that action unless they expect to lose and that they gathering and disseminating information for their mob to use to retaliate for losing the election.

If there is any violence against McCain supporters in that area then the editors and reporters responsible for that list MUST BE prosecuted as accessories to those crimes. The First Amendment is not a license to harm other persons. Ever.

re: #81 vxbush

Yet they see the decline in readership of the press and they do nothing to fix it. They just continue doing more of the same: endless liberal points, endless parroting of liberal lines of reasoning.

As I remember from psych class, that's the definition of insanity: to keep repeating the same mistakes, all the while expecting a different result.

re: #78 Tarkus289

For those who may not have seen this from last night, a guaranteed smile.

Adorable

I wish I'd thought of that! My kids went out as M&Ms. ;)

re: #96 WindHorse

The newspaper "The Stranger" is (one of) Seattle's "alternative" newspapers. You have to have three lip piercings, four ear piercings and fourteen tattoos in order to subscribe, man.

And I'll be they have piercings in their nether regions too!

/EWWWWWW

re: #84 Killian Bundy

/you know, I don't think pointing out the extremely simple fact that McCain can't possibly win without Florida and Ohio makes me an Eeyore or crosses me over to the "dark side"

Eeyore comments notwitstanding, he probably has Florida locked up.
Ohio is more interesting, but we'll wait and see.

re: #90 rawmuse

It is the very definition of insanity.

Used to be the definition of insanity, now liberalism is the definition of insanity....

M&Ms are good.

OT

Dick Tracy's watch is here.

re: #96 WindHorse
Ah, sorta Seattle's version of The Village Voice eh?!
Still a very shitty thing for them to do - I don't think even the Village Voice would do something like publish the addresses and photos of folks who have McCain/Palin signs in their yards or on their houses.

re: #105 Macker

yes, you are correct.... down in the "nether" regions.... say, Tacoma - or Olympia!

:)

re: #46 littleoldlady

In the interest of full disclosure... ;-) I "found" that article in the spinoff links.

/somebody else found it
//do I get points for reading it? ;-)

Absolutely!

McCain supporters depressed, Obama supporters jubilant. So all you McCain supporters, just stay home. Please?/// Joe Klein says that McCain points are "crapulous."

After this, the Democrats will call for investigations into the campaign finance system to figure our where it got broken if Obama wins, so as to prevent the next Republican from doing the same thing the ONE did.

John Gibson read this article last night on his radio show. Huzzah John Gibson!

re: #72 debutaunt

Killgore knows I'm kidding.

I figured - KT's sense of humor would enjoy that. I just wanted in.

re: #82 realwest

Hey there WindHorse - I responded to your post #1111 on the prior thread as follows:
"That's just downright scary. What the fuck kind of newspaper would do that - not only publish addresses of McCain supporters but show photos of their houses?"
And if you're still out here, I'd like to know what kind of newspaper that is, anyway?

Up here in Canada we believe that y'all would sue the ass off any effin' rag that would do that. Sue 'em for 50 million!

re: #86 The Archivist

Isn't this just the first example of how the polls finally have to get honest just before election day, so as to preserve some credibility for future polling?

I really don't know. Part of the problem is the pollsters have bought into the hype promulgated by the MSM. They may have believed that this is a "historic election."

It is historic, but not in the way they think -- the stats are returning to normal "historic" levels. There is NO a-historic youth army of voters. There isn't even a huge AA increase. And in spite of ACORN and other leftwing cheaters, the voting in some crucial states is actually LESS than 2004.

So it is historic in the sense that 2008 is rather typical and may mime 2004 exit polls. We'll have to see.

re: #97 hermeneutics

Are you kidding? The 72 hours GOTV has just started. THe 527 ads are running in all BG states. We're bringing the strays back to civilization, Witwwats.

I only hope that it is enough and not too late. But isn't it fascinating that McCain laid low until these final three days and is hitting Obama so fast and furiously that Obama (or his MSM surrogates) can't respond?

It will be a nailbiter on Tuesday.

Unfortunately 20% have already voted. No do overs.

Has anyone read Jaques Ullul's Ellul (sp?) book "Propaganda?"

re: #110 realwest

yes, they would be flattered to hear the comparison....

re: #102 The Other Les
Yep, story commented on by Windhorse in #1111 in the prior post and discussed out here (and reported by moi to Charles for a possible thread).

re: #87 SurferDoc

You forgot the garlic.

I did, didn't I? Oh, well.

re: #119 kansas

Unfortunately 20% have already voted. No do overs.

IMHO, the 20% who have voted are hard-core. The undecideds will wait unit Tuesday.

BTW; I'm in Kansas too, I voted Oct 21.

Charles,

Keep taking the high road. That's what makes you a leader.

Spencer has to see the error of his ways for himself.

re: #86 The Archivist

Isn't this just the first example of how the polls finally have to get honest just before election day, so as to preserve some credibility for future polling?

This kind of looks like what Zogby did last time - he had Kerry leading for most of the campaign, then suddenly did a switch to Bush in his polls at the last minute. This is because he weights them not just with his stats, but with his sense of "what's going on in the street." I'm not kidding. If he does it again tomorrow, that indicates he thinks McCain will win, given his history.

More quotable goodness on media sloth from VDH:

"A practical effect of socialism is often defined as curbing productive incentives by ensuring the poorer need not endanger their exemptions and credits by seeking greater income; and discouraging the wealthy from seeking greater income, given that nearly two-thirds of additional wealth would be lost to taxes. Surely that discussion might have been of interest to the American people."

re: #119 kansas

Unfortunately 20% have already voted. No do overs.

Its NOT that bad, Kansas. The most hyper partisan voters vote early. Most of these are Dems, because Obama tried to get them to vote early so he could bank those votes and pretend he was invincible. Many of the HUGE AA turnout in a few southern states, for example, have decreased as a percentage every day as more ordinary -- read: Republican -- votes are cast.

Republicans are traditionalist. They vote on election day in droves.

The Media may die this year, but they're committed to taking out as many Americans as they can with them. They're like suicide bombers.

re: #124 MarkX

I was going to make that same point.
But just to add another voice...

If McCain wins, we will be sure to have 4 more years of non-stop nasty drama from the left.

Maybe a new gov program could help send all these assholes off to live in some commie country of their choice and delete their American citizenship. So much for this Great Uniter.

re: 97 re: #97 hermeneutics

You missed the point.

The election is a moot point ("The die has been cast")

The problem is, with an BO presidency, we need the strength, cunning and experience to survive and oppose it.

With a McCain presidency, we need the fortitude and firepower to survive the backlash when BO loses.

My kids can't even comprehend the threat; ergo I have to do it for them.

re: #125 Gearhead

Charles,

Keep taking the high road. That's what makes you a leader.

Spencer has to see the error of his ways for himself.

Well put, Gearhead. An up-ding for you. ;)

re: #106 looking closely

Eeyore comments notwitstanding, he probably has Florida locked up.
Ohio is more interesting, but we'll wait and see.

/either McCain or Palin needs to pitch a tent in Ohio and camp there

re: #61 Donnie

There is a precedent for holding journalists accountable for their wrongful actions. We did it at Nuremberg.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #108 Tarkus289

M&Ms are good.

Is there an actual melting thing that happens or is that just advertising hype?

re: #133 poopeedoo

Thanks!

re: #136 debutaunt

I never give them a chance to melt, I throw a hand full in and woof them down.

When McCain wins, we need to thank our PUMA friends and, hopefully, bring them to the Republican ticket in 2012. Palin attracts PUMAs, but it remains to be seen if she attracts them as much as Hillary.

If I were doing a Top Ten list of reasons McCain will win (and I'm sure someone has, so this is probably unoriginal), my No. 1 would be:

1) The results haven't been tabulated yet.

That McCain = Bush is about all they can really come up with since he is an honorable man who loves this country.

re: #66 Dianna

You left out, "fill the mouth with salt and sew the lips shut."

Okay. I did. But isn't it supposed to be a communion wafer that goes in the mouth?

The more the Left tries to organize itself, the more disorganized it becomes.

Just that way, ACORN..

re: #132 witwwats

re: 97

You missed the point.

The election is a moot point ("The die has been cast")

The problem is, with an BO presidency, we need the strength, cunning and experience to survive and oppose it.

With a McCain presidency, we need the fortitude and firepower to survive the backlash when BO loses.

My kids can't even comprehend the threat; ergo I have to do it for them.

I'm sorry. I did miss the point.
And, yes, I agree with you. My kids are baffled too.

re: #136 debutaunt

Is there an actual melting thing that happens or is that just advertising hype?

Exothermic reaction........ ;)

re: #134 Killian Bundy

/either McCain or Palin needs to pitch a tent in Ohio and camp there

Send Piper out to introduce her mom at each stop. Her cuteness factor can only help the campaign.

God Bless Victor Davis Hanson, the Paul Revere of the 21st Century.

re: #118 hermeneutics

I really don't know. Part of the problem is the pollsters have bought into the hype promulgated by the MSM. They may have believed that this is a "historic election."

It is historic, but not in the way they think -- the stats are returning to normal "historic" levels. There is NO a-historic youth army of voters. There isn't even a huge AA increase. And in spite of ACORN and other leftwing cheaters, the voting in some crucial states is actually LESS than 2004.

So it is historic in the sense that 2008 is rather typical and may mime 2004 exit polls. We'll have to see.

Good points! The "Youth Army" never quite shows up at the voting both, African Americans were voting Democrat anyway, and we have Palin turning our base into Broken Glass Republicans. Not bad.

re: #109 jcm

OT

Dick Tracy's watch is here.

FAR OUT! When it comes out in purple, I am so there.

re: #115 Dianna

I figured - KT's sense of humor would enjoy that. I just wanted in.

Rats! I can usually sense subtleties like that.

Has O commented about "the tape" that won't be released and to please release it ? LOL

re: #42 capitalistbaby

The stranger is an interesting magazine (in the Chinese sense of interesting). When a memorial of 911 artifacts came through town (bits of FDNY helmets and so on) the one paragraph review was stunning in its dismissal, talking about worshiping such objects on the right.

But they have a huge section devoted to finding s&m partners, so they can be relied upon for good journalism

/sarc-ed so hard it hurts (which they like).

When researching journalism's death, no comprehensive and honest accounting can exclude Dan Rather. He was abusing his profession's standards before GW got his MBA. But it was his Memogate when faux-journalism jumped the shark- not the phony document, but his refusal to believe it was phony.

That same accounting must include Charles and LGF for doing the work done exposing and trumpeting Rather's fraud on the public.

Very little about this current election cycle has been pleasing to me. One of the rarities is being able to tell others this week that I was reading about Rashid Khalidi months ago. My decision to support McCain is based on information that Obama supporters won't have until months from now. And I owe it all to Charles and LGF.

Richardson: Under Obama Those That Make 120K Get Tax Cut

/hmmm, less than half of what it was just last week

So whats next for Obama when he loses?

Re: the 'media' and anti-American activity.

I keep returning (like a dog to it's vomit, I know) to the old saying.

Once is happenstance.

Twice is coincidence.

Three times is enemy action.

People keep saying them because there is a kernel of truth there. Or in this case, a silo of grain there.

Today's Hillbuzz (PUMA) reading:

“We’re splitting up and hitting the ground today — in the most massive deployment we’ve ever undertaken here at HillBuzz. Running on two hours of sleep a night, we’re giving all we have to McCain/Palin in the last days of this campaign. We know that if we work hard, we will win this, so we are working hard.

We’re going to try to post as much as possible from now until election day, but we’re all leaving Chicago until Tuesday, each one of us taking a group to a different city in Ohio or Pennsylvania. We’re all headed back to our home towns, to win our home states for McCain/Palin.

We ask all of you to fight as hard as you can in the next few days — because we truly believe our nation’s at stake. If Obama would win, we’d face socialist rule for 4 years, and don’t believe America would ever be the same again.

We’re leaving in less than an hour for the very long drive to Ohio and Pennsylvania — please wish us luck. There’s no plausible mathematical scenario for Obama to win this election if he loses Ohio and Pennsylvania. NONE.

So, if we succeed in putting everything we can muster into the ground game in these states — then we’ll win these two for McCain, and a good man will make it into the White House, instead of socialist Obama.

re: #76 RTLM

If Obama does win, all the questions will not simply go away. They will be amplified.

The media's determined adoration of Obama is the reason that, if he should get elected, his presidency will be a tainted presidency, an illegitimate presidency.

We'll have a totally unvetted and arrogant person as a president. And he won't be my president.

I think I'm going to put a plain black rectangle in the spot on the rear window of my car where an American Flag sticker would go.

I don't think even the most committed anarchist would get it.

re: #142 The Other Les

Okay. I did. But isn't it supposed to be a communion wafer that goes in the mouth?

That's a variant. I'd usually go with salt (salt neutralizes magic, traditionally). Garlic around the neck is a later addition, but I don't object to it, as garlic traditionally is used to counteract the "spell" causing the victim to become undead.

re: #72 debutaunt
Ah, well, Spencer did mention Killgore by name, so there's that..........!
/

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

We have a McCain sign in our yard. We've only put a sign out once before. This morning, the McCain sign was replaced with an Obama sign (we found the McCain sign in the bushes and put that right) and our house was TP'd.

re: #109 jcm

OT

Dick Tracy's watch is here.

Just in time for Christmas!

They would rather elect Obama and end their employers business than let the voter dcide.
BTW, the CBS fiqures are so bad that layoffs will be announced again. But all for a good cause, right?

Nice to see robert lying some more.

Good quote at the end of an article over at Wizbang:

"Issues like a hurting economy will come and go. We can rebound from a recession -- we've rebounded from worse. But can we rebound from a President who wants to destroy everything we stand for?"

The article concerns that video "Dear Mr. Obama" which has been viewed over 12 million times--and it is powerful.
[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

Obama's 10 Most Wanted List Have Fun.

What is this guy hiding?

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Not that one could not see it coming.

I have taken quite a bit of shit from posters here (Ploome - that means you and your minions) for expressing skepticism of Spencer's neo-fascist associations, and not kissing his ass in full glory when he stops by to post here.

Slavish hero worship should invite skepticism by observers, and when the observer is attacked, should justify further scrutiny. As with Obama. As with Spencer.

re: #156 pegcity

So whats next for Obama when he loses?

Ummm, forming a new community activist group? The Blackunderground? The Weather Panthers?

re: #156 pegcity

So whats next for Obama when he loses?

Street riots and Black Americans screaming for "justice" and not realizing they are setting back race relations 100 years.

If a biscuit has a crux, isn't it then a "hot cross bun"?

Ballots already returned in some WA counties.

King - 42.18%

Pierce [pdf] - 38.44%

Spokane [pdf] - 51.09%

Snohomish [pdf] (10/30) - 33.67%

Clark - 49.15%

Yakima [pdf] - 49.26%

Kittitas - 52.74%

Benton [pdf] (not included in original post): 53.03%

Note that King & Pierce still have poll voting available so ballot returns there are not a reflection of total potential ballots cast.

re: #147 taxfreekiller

something is up with the R's and D's down at the org. meeting on the vote machines and the how to session, they started at 8:00 and she has not called in yet, so one of the loons is down there with vote fraud shit from the early voting.

We caught many of the "not citizens" who could not read English coming in with the same "interpreter", only thing was, the interpreter was a
precinct chair for the D's and she would take the styles in her hand
and have the illegal put their hand over hers and then say ok, you vote like this,,, and we have protested about 200 votes like that last week.

f'n Democrats hate the truth and the msm enables it

Blimey!
That is unbelievable - i hope you got photos or videos for that!

That needs to be sorted - not just now, polling station by polling station, but after McCain wins, for the whole of the USA.

re: #92 MandyManners

BHO WON'T WIN.

I hope Americans make a point of it.

re: #96 WindHorse

Alternative to what? The allready ultra liberal Seattle Times?

If I lived in any of those residences they snapped the photos and gave the addresses of, if I so much as caught a cold before Tuesday, I would sue the doors off the place.

re: #157 razorbacker

Ah, a "Proverbs" fan. As a dog returns to its own vomit... is one of my favorites, too.

re: #155 Killian Bundy

Richardson: Under Obama Those That Make 120K Get Tax Cut

/hmmm, less than half of what it was just last week

And actually is goes lower: $97,000

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

and that's only BEFORE the election.

Every known associate, mentor, or relative of Obama is either hiding, missing, under investigation, or in prison.

re: #142 The Other Les

Okay. I did. But isn't it supposed to be a communion wafer that goes in the mouth?

That would be to prevent the deceased from becoming a Vampire.

Say it with me: "Yellow Journalism."

Say it with me: "William Randolph Hearst."

The media has become what it has always said it must never become - a tool.

re: #155 Killian Bundy

Richardson: Under Obama Those That Make 120K Get Tax Cut

/hmmm, less than half of what it was just last week

I'm right at the 120k level right now and it took me along time and alot of hard work to get here.

I refuse to pay for this.

/seriously

re: #113 kansas

McCain supporters depressed, Obama supporters jubilant.

That article gives Obama an eight percent lead, 51-43, but then states it polled 803 Obama supporters and 703 McCain supporters, a difference of over 14%. Therefore, McCain by six percent.
:)

re: #165 Sharmuta

I noticed he used the word "libelous."
I found this legal definition interesting:

"The statement(s) alleged to be defamatory must also be a false statement of fact. That which is name-calling, hyperbole, or, however characterized, cannot be proven true or false, cannot be the subject of a libel or slander claim."
[Link: www.medialaw.org...]

re: #11 looking closely

I agree with everything you said except "No Democrat can ever again...".
Don't every underestimate a Democrat's capacity for hypocrisy. As soon as they are in a position to benefit again from campaign finance reform (it hurts to even type it), they'll whole-heatedly make it an issue again. And, their media accomplice will gladly carry that stagnant bucket of water for them.

re: #165 Sharmuta

On another topic, there is an interesting post by Mondo above in links regarding MSM/Obama voter suppression and a link by Gringo that ties in nicely. I think you were alluding to this the other day.

re: #116 taxfreekiller

The big "O" hole is on Fox now, still yet ruining against "Bush-Hitler"

big waste of a wastrel Obama is.

"He hates oil profits, let him walk."

There's no point in telling him, "no profits, no oil." He wouldn't listen anyway.

re: #168 karmic_inquisitor

Nobody expects the Karmic Inquisition.

re: #183 Killian Bundy

I refuse to pay for this.

/seriously

Just write her and check and get it over with.....
/////

re: #172 jcm

I think one of Bush's big mistakes after the FL debacle was in not instituting some fool-proof election safeguards.

Talk among yourselves.

re: #113 kansas
Hey Kansas - I posted this in the prior thread:

re: #1137 CommonSense
Yeah, from your link:

Included were interviews with 803 Obama supporters and 703 McCain supporters, with error margins of plus or minus 3.5 and 3.7 points respectively.

I'm sure that they picked 25% more Obama supporters just to make sure the results came out the way they did.
When McCain wins, it's all over for the MSM. Charles put the final nail in their coffin with Rathergate, now it's time to shovel the dirt on 'em.

I still say we need a hard copy breakfast table publication (my family will not use a computer while we are eating, but we always read and discuss something). Someone here yesterday said why would PJM, Chas, etc. want to get into a dying business... and I say the business is not dying, the lying content is dying. So a paper-on-demand would fly. Otherwise, we're still reading our local paper... full of crxp... and I've added Popular Mechanics, Commentary, we need a publication from PJM/Hotair/Northern Alliance, etc.

re: #185 jaunte

He keeps saying that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

I'm not convinced the media is any more biased than it has ever been. I think that with the rise of the blogs, now we all know it.

I'm old enough to remember Walter Cronkite declaring the Vietnam war lost.

re: #189 debutaunt

Nobody expects the Karmic Inquisition.

LOL.

re: #42 capitalistbaby

Holy Crap!

From Drudge - Seattle Paper Prints Addresses, Photos of Homes with McCain Signs.

Media dead? No, just dangerous.

The pop-left is an inherently totalitarian system, built around----indeed, dedicated to---- the authority of the chosen celebrity or leader and the sanctity of that idol’s will.

Those of us who endured the wrath of the Dixie Chickistas a couple of years ago are very familiar with this. From the band-manager who threatened to get his gun and start killing people who criticized the chicks to the idiot who wrote a letter to the editor misquoting a previous letter that was still there for all to see, these people are literally fascists.

Btw, I will be happy to share the names of both of these people with anyone who e-mails and asks for them.

re: #147 taxfreekiller

something is up with the R's and D's down at the org. meeting on the vote machines and the how to session, they started at 8:00 and she has not called in yet, so one of the loons is down there with vote fraud shit from the early voting.

We caught many of the "not citizens" who could not read English coming in with the same "interpreter", only thing was, the interpreter was a
precinct chair for the D's and she would take the styles in her hand
and have the illegal put their hand over hers and then say ok, you vote like this,,, and we have protested about 200 votes like that last week.

f'n Democrats hate the truth and the msm enables it

Someone needs to be arrested there.

re: #32 doriangrey

Yup, between him and Orsen Scott Card [...]

I justrealized he was the one who wrote Ender's Game. I thought the name sounded familiar, but I never bothered to follow up on it.

re: #85 witwwats

The die has been cast.

Now we just wait for the results.

If this (Obama) presidency MUST happen, thank God it happens while I can deal with it and not when I and my family are slaves to an oppressive government.

America may be faced with a hard choice.

I've already made mine.

Care to share your choice?

re: #194 Sharmuta

He keeps saying that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

Think? Did I hear you say "think"?

(quoted from poor memory while smiling really big!)

re: #201 SurferDoc

It's "Have I gone mad or did the word 'think' escape your lips?!"

re: #194 Sharmuta

If he just sticks to 'bully' or 'big meanie' it doesn't sound as important.

re: #109 jcm

OT

Dick Tracy's watch is here.

jcm -

The only advantage over a high end phone is that it is strapped to your wrist and therefore harder to drop or lose. A technological tour de force to be sure, which will probably suffer the same lack of market appeal as the Watch/TV of the 1980's. Time will tell.

-S-

Sadly, at least half of our population in the USA are gleefully consuming the moldy old biscuit with gusto.

re: #202 Sharmuta

It's "Have I gone mad or did the word 'think' escape your lips?!"

Of course! *slaps forehead*

re: #193 Sunlight

I still say we need a hard copy breakfast table publication (my family will not use a computer while we are eating, but we always read and discuss something). Someone here yesterday said why would PJM, Chas, etc. want to get into a dying business... and I say the business is not dying, the lying content is dying. So a paper-on-demand would fly. Otherwise, we're still reading our local paper... full of crxp... and I've added Popular Mechanics, Commentary, we need a publication from PJM/Hotair/Northern Alliance, etc.

Then why not a morning .pdf for printout?
Automatically nationwide. Subscribable, fee-based to enable hiring necessary staff. Could be expanded as interest and subscriptions grow. First month free service to pull 'em in. Most good capitalists have a printer at home and check the web upon rising in the morning--printing would be easy to add to the morning chores before breakfast. Printout could have short versions of longer articles to read online later in the day or evening. RSS and podcasts variants. Etc.

OT - I'm going to plop this here because it's soon going to be a dead thread...It's about polls. I wrote this for my family message board. Any criticism from actual mathematicians would be appreciated. ;_-)

Here we are, in the last few HOURS before all hell breaks lose, and I'd like to go on record on what I think is happening with/in the polls.

DISCLAIMER: I always had fabulous grades in math EXCEPT in geometry (B) and "probability & statistics". That last subject I took - believe it or not THREE times - once in high school, once in college and again in grad school. My grades were, in order, C, B, A. But even with the A at the end, I don't pretend to understand it. ;-)

On the other hand, my graduate degree is in marketing so I do know a little bit about market research involving asking people questions. (It is FRAUGHT with problems!)

The polls have been in Obama's favor almost this entire election cycle. The few times McCain was ahead "something" happened to make him slide down again. At this writing (Saturday, Nov 1) Obama's people have planned a big victory party in Chicago, and Republicans are demoralized. This may be created hype, or it may not be.

The major pollsters use relatively small samples of folks to which they ask questions. They "weight" their results by asking (what they think are) the correct percentages of Democrats vs. Republicans vs. Independents. In some cases their % of Democrats are so unrealistically high that the poll is pretty much ignored by everyone. Another criterion is "registered voters" vs. "likely" (those who've voted before) voters - the 2nd case being generally recognized as more reliable.

I've seen people argue about the methodology of various polls, claiming their breakdown of party affiliation is so removed from historical data as to make the poll completely wrong. Again, I don't know enough about statistics to make that determination, but it is certainly possible.

Then there are the actual questions. One story I heard was a woman received a phone call asking her 3 policy questions i.e. "Do you favor lower taxes". She replied in the affirmative and the pollster put her down as an Obama supporter. However, she was NOT. So there's also the problem of how the questions are not only worded, but how they are interpreted as well.

Next comes the issue of polls vs. reality. In Florida's early voting the Dems were kvelling that they got 17% more people to the polls than Repubs. Problem is, in the results (exit polls) there was only a 2 point difference! So party affiliation, or even who shows up to the polls is going to have less effect in this election than many others. (Remember "Reagan Democrats"?)

There is a lot of crap on the internet these days. TONS, in fact, most of it anecdotal. "Internal polls" from the candidates paint a different picture entirely than the public polls - both sides predict a very close race. But yesterday I read something that made me think of something totally new regarding the polls - something I haven't thought of before, but changes EVERYTHING if it is even close to being true.

This came from a supposed Obama insider explaining what they are seeing state by state. I HAVE NO IDEA if the source it claimed to be was actually that, but here's what he said:

Some of the pollsters are getting up to an 80% non-response rate. This means that if a pollster makes 100 phone calls there might be 20 people willing to answer their questions. AND, this person said (and I think he's probably correct) that the Obama camp suspects that the non-responders would lean toward McCain, because Obama is "the cool candidate" and who wouldn't admit to voting for the cool candidate?

(con't)

re: #203 jaunte

If he just sticks to 'bully' or 'big meanie' it doesn't sound as important.

Indeed- and it's a bit ironic that he would claim Charles was the bully when it's he who is using legal terms to what? Intimidate us into not saying anything about him?

re: #8 Charles

Yes, I know Robert Spencer is viciously attacking me at his site, by the way.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the time to respond.

Charles, I just read Spencer's comments.

I didn't read the thread last night, but I think I got the gist of it.

From where I sit, the heart of this appears to be that you don't want ANY connection whatever of LGF to neo-fascists, even indirect, and Spencer isn't taken to that extreme. Attacks and other ideology aside, I think that is a legitimate difference of opinion between the two of you on how to operate.

Without butting in here, if I may be so bold, I'd like to offer one suggestion.

If you would like to respond, how about waiting a few days (until after the election) for stress levels to go down? I tend to think that with lower blood pressures, and more time to reflect this is patchable. You can decide if its worthwhile to go that way. IMO, pissing contests don't help anyone.

/my $0.02

I just put together a blog post to explain why Obama's mortgage plan is the worst idea since electing Jimmy Carter.

[Link: cadillac-kid.blogspot.com...]

Send it to a couple of your friends.

Just turn on Msnbc any time during theday and it is all oby all the time. For M'cain: 'the hour glassahas turned over and the sands are running out with the end of your campaign...it is over, there are polls that show Oby up 12 pts now (there are not) Thesands are being pushed thru the hour-glass"
Oh lets throw our collective dresses over our heads and run for cover...Not.
The Obys aided by Press have tried to bluff his way in to the Presidency and worse.
However who will buy the paper anymore and where will the viewers come from? If the Press tries to "redeem" itself by covering stories on a Pres Oby, the Press knows it will be ruined by Oby's TonTon Macoute troops. So are they covering the GOP? who is goingto buy papers to read about negative stories about the GOP? They will lose their jobs and good riddance.

#208 con't

Let's crunch a couple of numbers, and let's use as an example Pennsylvania, because (my cousin) tells me Rasmussen has Obama up by 11% and it's "solid".

Pollster calls 1000 people. 200 agree to participate. Obama has 56% and McCain has 44% (ignoring the undecideds, which should lean toward McCain as well, btw). That means Obama has 112; McCain 88. Now let's assume of the 800 non-respondents 400 actually vote. Let's also assume that McCain gets only 6% more than Obama in that 400. McCain 53%; Obama 47%. That means McCain gets 212; Obama 188. They both get 300 total. Tie ballgame. The unknown is HOW MUCH will the non-responders break for McCain - or will they?

So....IF this is the case with all the polls - even if they have a mere 50% non-response rate - then not one of these polls is worth a damn and this race is totally up in the air.

So, get out and vote on Tuesday! :-)

re: #209 Sharmuta

If he was smarter he would drop the subject. We'll see.

re: #186 jarheadlifer

I agree with everything you said except "No Democrat can ever again...".
Don't every underestimate a Democrat's capacity for hypocrisy. As soon as they are in a position to benefit again from campaign finance reform (it hurts to even type it), they'll whole-heatedly make it an issue again. And, their media accomplice will gladly carry that stagnant bucket of water for them.

Wasn't me, it was VDH.

I do agree with you, that expediency often *IS* the Democrat political ideology.

re: #155 Killian Bundy

Oh, methinks if "that one" wins, we'll soon find out that in the Obama lexicon "rich" is synonymous with anyone gainfully employed.

This has not been an electoral process, for the last 18 months It has been a left wing media led coup de tat!

re: #214 jaunte

If he was smarter he would drop the subject. We'll see.

Ouch! You're a big libelous meanie! ;)

"Yellow Journalism" is alive and well. William Randolf Hearst is smiling in his tomb.

re: #218 Sharmuta

Meanie high five!

179-- Or dead-- His father, his mother, Grandma on deathbed

re: #210 looking closely

I'm not going to answer Spencer with a public post. I'm done with him.

However, regarding this:

From where I sit, the heart of this appears to be that you don't want ANY connection whatever of LGF to neo-fascists, even indirect, and Spencer isn't taken to that extreme.

There's nothing indirect about Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal. They're openly eliminationist, proudly racist websites.

re: #207 The Archivist

Then why not a morning .pdf for printout?
Automatically nationwide. Subscribable, fee-based to enable hiring necessary staff. Could be expanded as interest and subscriptions grow. First month free service to pull 'em in. Most good capitalists have a printer at home and check the web upon rising in the morning--printing would be easy to add to the morning chores before breakfast. Printout could have short versions of longer articles to read online later in the day or evening. RSS and podcasts variants. Etc.

I figure mount a printer/plotter by the coffee machine. Have it on a timer and viola! the 11x17 or whatever size you want is waiting with your coffee when you get in there. Grab it and head for the train, whatever if you're a commuter. Have the printer use light weight newsprint that we can put in the recycle bin.

Also, I've thought that newspaper printing plants that are going under may be prevailed on to print up a newspaper-on-demand and then deliver it to the driveway, as they've always done. Is that what the Wall Street Journal or IBD does for home delivery? I tried getting IBD for a trial because I love their editorials, but they aren't big on average news and my brain is too blurry to read all the business stuff.

what ever happens in this election, afterwards people will find out how much the msm w/held and manipulated the truth and facts.
people will despise the msm charlatans for either giving us a monstrous commie or almost making one potus.
their deceit and malfeasance is unconscionable .
never again will the msm be able to perpetrate this kind of travesty.
people will not believe a word they say.

re: #222 Charles

I'm not going to answer Spencer with a public post. I'm done with him.

However, regarding this:

There's nothing indirect about Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal. They're openly eliminationist, proudly racist websites.

Charles, I put a not here yesterday re a post from Powerline re a former police guy who ran under VB and won and Powerline was upset about his prosecution for racist comments made in his police unit... I'm just thinking that after the election, it might be worthwhile to have a teleconference with all these guys to make sure they understand the "white supremicist" angle of these VB folks...

re: #225 Sunlight

Charles, I put a not here yesterday re a post from Powerline re a former police guy who ran under VB and won and Powerline was upset about his prosecution for racist comments made in his police unit... I'm just thinking that after the election, it might be worthwhile to have a teleconference with all these guys to make sure they understand the "white supremicist" angle of these VB folks...

I can't save everyone from themselves. If those folks are unaware of these connections, it's not because I haven't tried to expose them. It's because they're not paying attention.

re: #226 Charles

I can't save everyone from themselves. If those folks are unaware of these connections, it's not because I haven't tried to expose them. It's because they're not paying attention.

Well, I sure paid attention. The discussions when the rock got kicked over really made an impression on me. But maybe it's because I lived in Europe and it revealed some of the inklings I had about hidden things in Europe... maybe the Powerline guys never lived outside the U.S. and just can't fathom some things.

Unless Brussels Journal has seriously reformed itself over the past year since I've read it no one really needs to be illuminated as to why that 'publication', and especially its anti-semitic, anti-American, pro-KGB, eurotrash comment section, needs to be handled with hazmat gear.

I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to seperate themselves from that, and the other 'wingnut' sources that Spencer is using. I'd imagine that he has a desire to cater to an audience, and the audience he has attracted include the community at the borderline (and not so borderline) lunatic fringe blogs and has decided to cater to them in some degree.

However, engaging the man in mudslinging isn't to anyone's benefit but his. LGF doesn't have great press among the 'right-wing' blogosphere, which is probably to its credit not its detrimiment. I'm a reader of JihadWatch, and probably will continue to be so, but I've very rarely commented there because of the communities purely single-issue, often single-approach non-solutions to their percieved problems rarely leading to constructive discussion and on occasion some outright repugnant ones.

Even the majority of times that I have posted it was equally likely that I was rebutting someone rather than actually adding commentary. There is an audience that desires to engage in discussion without having to wade through borderline "fascist" posters advocating nonsense and much worse.

As for rebutting Spencer, I believe it will only be to his benefit. If he is catering to the corner of the 'right-wing' blogosphere that already snipes at LGF and its posters, a flame war will only be for their entertainment and percieved vindication.

re: #228 scion9

As for rebutting Spencer, I believe it will only be to his benefit. If he is catering to the corner of the 'right-wing' blogosphere that already snipes at LGF and its posters, a flame war will only be for their entertainment and percieved vindication.

That's a very good point.

re: #229 Sharmuta

That's a very good point.

Spenser was with Atlas right from the start (that convention), wasn't he?

You know, if B-HO is supposed to be such an educated man, why is he such a fucking idiot? His whole tax scheme is so counter-productive in every conceivable way, and so one-sided. It never ceases to amaze me how people can support this Jackass.

re: #231 6pat6

You know, if B-HO is supposed to be such an educated man, why is he such a fucking idiot? His whole tax scheme is so counter-productive in every conceivable way, and so one-sided. It never ceases to amaze me how people can support this Jackass.

He already told Charlie Gibson back in the primary it isn't about being competent, but about being fair. His tax scheme isn't meant to increase revenue to the government. He is aware that lower taxes at the high end produce higher government revenue and then higher potential philanthropic spending. It doesn't matter. He doesn't want effeciency, but 'fairness'. People under Obama will likely be poorer, almost completely across the board, but it will be fair.

Ahh, yes. The crux of the biscuit. Used to be the apostrophe. Gawd I love the sound of Zappa in the morning!

I predict the readership of newspapers like the NY Times and LA Times will drop proportionate to the views of the anti-obama readership.

Pro-bama types will continue to support papers that mirror their views.

Anti-obama types will FINALLY vote with their money and stop buying those papers.

So the papers will LOSE readers who expect balance in reporting, not "progressive" issue shill outlets.

re: #230 Sunlight

Spenser was with Atlas right from the start (that convention), wasn't he?

He never repudiated her.

The media and the democRAT party smell like week old rotting fish. When was the last time that a democRAT actually lowered taxes for anybody? Yet another simple question the MSM refused to ask for fear of the all too scary answer...

re: #193 Sunlight

I still say we need a hard copy breakfast table publication (my family will not use a computer while we are eating, but we always read and discuss something). Someone here yesterday said why would PJM, Chas, etc. want to get into a dying business... and I say the business is not dying, the lying content is dying. So a paper-on-demand would fly. Otherwise, we're still reading our local paper... full of crxp... and I've added Popular Mechanics, Commentary, we need a publication from PJM/Hotair/Northern Alliance, etc.

Get over it! We did in June 2008. Cancelled both local paper and NYTimes (my husband liked to read the science, etc). Now Have a flat screen at the breakfast table. The person at the computer reads aloud or prints for the other. (The printer is here too) It's fine. And we're old (60). It only hurts for a few weeks. I also get Weekly Standard in the mail for bus trips; thinking about National Review. I put my old copies in the office lobby to balance out the Time and Newsweek.

re: #237 bungie

If you can, try and subscribe to Canada's "The National Post". It is anti-Jihad, pro-Israel,
and, in a nation of moonbats, VERY unusual. They were and are a financial newspaper as well, owned by CanWest.

I would triple-upDing this article. I like how he set off the three sections with a Can you imagine if... I wish we could get articles like this to people who most need to read them.

Some of you are saving large archives of threads and texts, I know, and that is good. I should do so as well. The preserved-ness of everything online is a chimera, I think, and something we all take for granted. Aus is censoring the internet, nationally. China has been for years. There ARE things you can't read anymore online in China. It can happen here. Burn some gigabytes, folks, of all you think may be relevant, as far as how it all went down, what exactly happened. The Accepted history writers will write one thing, and the facts will be another, and they must be preserved, and taught as counter-measure, constantly, to children force-fed Accepted history. Commies love scrubbing history of detail, and pencilling in their own. And attempting to destroy the originals (and people with knowlege of the originals, for that grim matter.)

McCain may yet win. I hope, if he wins, that he doesn't try to appease the left and the (planned)riotous inner-city by doing all sorts of appeasement-like things. You know he will, though. No matter what, the MSM wants riots and chaos, keep this in mind watching the coverage election night and the next days. THEY WANT IT like they wanted it in NOLA, like they wanted it (and got it) after the Rodney King Case verdict, and the MSM knows how to manipulate this specific mass of people, the April26,1992 crowd. They've been priming that pump for weeks now.

-Taq

re: #240 profitsbeard

Dipshit- there is no difference between the liberties the jihadis would take from us than what the nazis would take from us.

Another lovely post from Robert Spencer's allies:

[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

Woah! Post 240 wasn't here very long! :D :D :D :D

Well, no matter what gatesofvienna and the like do or say, LGF will still be here, and will still be strong and upright.

Frank Zappa's quote of the day may be gone but his ''crux of the biscuit'' line is well into Amercan idiom.

I saw former Sec. of State Eagleburger on Fox refer to Obama as a "charlatan" - that sums it up for me. My admiration for Victor Davis Hanson is unlimited.

With Reid, Pelosi and the Media on one side and Obama on the other, we are, my friends, stuck between Barack and a hard place.

I want to nominate Victor Davis Hansen as our first 21st Century "Blogger Laureate".
I'm a huge fan since his history of my home state "Mexifornia"; it's balanced and fair... but I digress...
On Thursday 10/30, I saw Tom Brokaw on the Charlie Rose show where they BOTH agreed that neither of them knew any details about BHO. Tom made a weak explanation about being hamstrung by the debate rules which kept him from getting any answers. Two years and they didn't seem the least bit bothered.

We are returned to the days of old, when to publish against the monarch and the rulers was a capital offense. The monarch is Obama, the last President. The rulers are bureaucrats, poltical hacks, plutocrats. Courtiers are journalists and lowlife entertainers.

*sigh* The first President rejected a crown. The One can barely conceal his pretensions and ambitions, and longs for the final act of this election year psychodrama, that he may ascend and settle some scores.