This could change the election.

Thug In Chief

I hate this guy with the fire of a thousand suns.

Shorter Barry:

You need to live like Third World peasants so I can save the planet.

Let's bankrupt half the power generation capacity of the U.S. and see what happens. Prairie Fire doesn't begin to describe it.

It would be a massive transfer of wealth and the subordination of technology and science by ideology.

Poor liberal progressive neo-Marxists. They hate it when they get caught.
Anyway--
Obama is going to bankrupt more than the Coal Industry.

re: #1 unrealizedviewpoint

This could change the election.

No it can't. He wasn't getting the coal miner vote anyhow.

The liberals wet dream is the rest of us nightmare...

Again, this is a comment that he said to a "friendly" audience. When he is in front of his commie friends he shows his true colors. It is scary how much he changes when the audience changes.

Clean and articulate coal

McCain wants cap-and-trade as well.

And quite frankly, please remember that coal may be a necessary evil but it is not desirable. Both the mercury emissions and megatons of radioactive materials released into the atmosphere and the fact that fly ash is richer in those materials than some pitchblende.

We can move away from coal. T. Boone Pickens and others like him have good points. CNG for transport rather than generation.

And if we really wanted to, we could build a couple hundred reactors in ten years, although it would require huge investments and Manhattan Project style work. We have advanced Gen III+ designs that have already been approved and some Gen IV designs (I like thorium based designs myself). And there are solutions to the waste problem other than burying the stuff - MOX fuel, reprocessing, Integral Fast Reactor (fast neutrons achieve 95% fuel burnup), and plenty of others.

Barry's eagerness to flush the toilet on our country is so disgusting it makes me no longer feel like eating lunch.

McCain just talked about clean coal on Fox News but doesn't seem to have mentioned the Obama quote.

Doesn't his staff blog-watch?

My prediction: Obama says this is just a distraction.

Oh boy, McCain gets to the clean coal section of his stump speech, on the TV, in Pennsylvania, and not a word about this bombshell.

/don't these people have Blackberries?

But Obama, do tell where you are going to get all your alternative energy money once you succeed in bankrupting these plants? From taxing all the industry that uses the power? OOPS! No more power, no more industry.

I hate hate hate this guy. I did not like Bill Clinton, but I hate this guy. Lets face it, all Billie wanted to do is get laid. Barry wants to fuck all the rest of us!

From 9/23/08 on Politico.

Biden on getting rid of coal plants.

Biden's apparent answer: He supports clean coal for China, but not for the United States.

"No coal plants here in America," he said. "Build them, if they're going to build them, over there. Make them clean."

"We’re not supporting clean coal," he said of himself and Obama. They do, on paper, support clean coal.

The answer seems to play into John McCain's case that Obama has been saying "no" to new sources of energy.

In the primary, Biden opposed Obama's push for clean coal, which is seen as a way of maintaining or expanding America's coal-burning power plants -- many of which are in rust belt swing states.

"I don't think there's much of a role for clean coal in energy independence, but I do think there's a significant role for clean coal in the bigger picture of climate change," he told Grist last year. "Clean-coal technology is not the route to go in the United States, because we have other, cleaner alternatives," he said, but added that America should push for a "fundamental change in technology" to clean up China's plants.

SNIP

re: #12 windbrother

McCain wants cap-and-trade as well.

And quite frankly, please remember that coal may be a necessary evil but it is not desirable. Both the mercury emissions and megatons of radioactive materials released into the atmosphere and the fact that fly ash is richer in those materials than some pitchblende.

We can move away from coal. T. Boone Pickens and others like him have good points. CNG for transport rather than generation.

And if we really wanted to, we could build a couple hundred reactors in ten years, although it would require huge investments and Manhattan Project style work. We have advanced Gen III+ designs that have already been approved and some Gen IV designs (I like thorium based designs myself). And there are solutions to the waste problem other than burying the stuff - MOX fuel, reprocessing, Integral Fast Reactor (fast neutrons achieve 95% fuel burnup), and plenty of others.

It stinks as a recycle post. . .COMPOST ALERT!

re: #14 arethusa

McCain just talked about clean coal on Fox News but doesn't seem to have mentioned the Obama quote.

Doesn't his staff blog-watch?

No, if they did, he'd be winning.

I thought the coalminers were unionized. Wouldn't that mean they would have to vote for Him by default? I know the steelworkers have to vote for Him.

re: #8 alexknyc

No it can't. He wasn't getting the coal miner vote anyhow.

It's not just the miners who will be affected!

Wake UP PA and OHIO. This is your last call before the lights literally will go out on your states. VOTE McCain/Palin!

Big suprise, its been thrown down the memory hole.

Big brother does not approve

That's actually worse than Gore's proposed BTU tax!

Why do I have this creeping feeling that by 2012 in an Obama administration, we will all be responsible for producing our own power, and we will do so by peddling government issued bikes attached to generators, so we can keep fit and green at the same time.
Fat people will not be excluded.

re: #8 alexknyc

No it can't. He wasn't getting the coal miner vote anyhow.

This is about a lot more then just votes of coal miners.
Hello!

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

Hail Ming !

I don't like Obama, and I'm seeing now how I'm really going to hate this little prick very soon.

re: #12 windbrother

Go back to KOS.

How do we get this to the McCain camp--like five minutes ago?

re: #22 MandyManners

It's not just the miners who will be affected!

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

well, hello and welcome home all you red states, WV PA OH and west of the mississippi =)

This is what will happen if the nation installs a high school debating champ in the Executive Branch.

January. This interview occurred in January 2008. Lord help us with a DNC-Fifth Column Media nexus the next four years.

Do you really want this America?

re: #16 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, McCain gets to the clean coal section of his stump speech, on the TV, in Pennsylvania, and not a word about this bombshell.

/don't these people have Blackberries?

I've wondered about this the entire campaign.

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

PSAs have been running in the Midwest for over a year about how important coal is. . .

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them.

Freewill meet Big Brother.

this is the obama gov't purposefully bankrupting american industry.
he is so focused on destroying our way of life. taking us backward.
he is not fit to lead. he will weaken our country. and take us over a clif.

Everyone should get the FLV save plug in for mozilla, nice thing when the obamtons erase anything that would harm the messiah

windbrother...totally not reading a word you say...zzz

troll alert - windbrother & alexknyc

re: #15 gregg

My prediction: Obama says this is just a distraction.

Once again.

re: #14 arethusa

McCain just talked about clean coal on Fox News but doesn't seem to have mentioned the Obama quote.

Doesn't his staff blog-watch?

To be fair, I just realized he's in Wallingford, PA. I grew up near there. It's Delaware County, taxes will be way more interesting to them than coal.

Hopefully, Palin will be told and work it in in OH today.

re: #1 unrealizedviewpoint

This could change the election.

Nah, even Drudge has it buried under a Globama picture of righteous light!

The media will be the first to pretend "we didn't know" after the election having learned from their master of denial and feigned ignorance

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

Where do they think it comes from?! Nukes? No way.

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

What are you doing to spread the word ?

Lots of us here are doing more than projecting fatalism.

OT (sorry, it's quick)
This mention was in the links but it's gone already. Edwin Black, a very well respected writer--IBM and the Holocaust, War Against the Weak etc-- has written about this energy predicament. Everything you suspected (probably) is true. We've been sold down the river by the politicians and the oil companies and the car companies. This numbskull comment by Barry just proves how clueless he is.
Black has researched this well and points the finger everywhere. You might want to read about it. [Link: www.planforoilcrisis.com...]

Black also has an earlier one on the internal combustion engine and how fuel efficient vehicles were possible decades ago. It makes my stomach churn. Booktrailer for that

I just sent this link to a friend of mine who works for McCain's campaign in Pennsylvania.

re: #26 Sizzlack

So long as they're not proposing to do anything else to fat people, I can cope.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

Only in Obama's alternate universe can massive bankruptcy generate billions of dollars!

And Change!

re: #26 Sizzlack

Why do I have this creeping feeling that by 2012 in an Obama administration, we will all be responsible for producing our own power, and we will do so by peddling government issued bikes attached to generators, so we can keep fit and green at the same time.
Fat people will not be excluded.

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re: #36 DisturbedEma

PSAs have been running in the Midwest for over a year about how important coal is. . .

I hope they've worked.

But since the MSM hasn't seen fit to trumpet this quote the way they have Joe the Plumber's back taxes and Sarah Palin's wardrobe, I'm not sure how many people make the connection.

leee leee leeet me tell you.

re: #22 MandyManners

Keep saying that. It's not just about coal!
He's talking about half the energy generation of the country.

re: #31 SurferDoc

How do we get this to the McCain camp--like five minutes ago?

/if someone doesn't at least monitor Drudge he's got idiots for campaign staff

re: #12 windbrother

Absolutely on the nuclear energy part of your post. I honestly think T. Boone Pickens just wants to sell his CNG at elevated rates though. Widespread nuclear would make electric cars more feasible. Leaving the oil for planes and trucks. Aircraft, especially large transport ones, would have a hard time with CNG with the pressure and weight restrictions, and IIRC, large semi trucks and farm machinery using the fuel would not be ideal, some reason why in high horsepower it is not efficient.

On top of this while putting on a tepid dumb show of support for nuclear energy he couches it with a caveat that "it must be safe". In Obama's and allies books nuclear will never be safe, as his voting record shows. He's voted against Yucca Mtn twice, he's proposed stiffer regulation against existing plants. Yucca mtn has already been put through years of delay by lawfare and congressional hijinks against it. Here's Barack proposing decades more delay before we can initiate new plants, all in code of course:

Will end the notion of Yucca Mountain nuclear storage
I will end the notion of Yucca Mountain because it has not been based on the sort of sound science that can assure people that they're going to be safe. That was a mistake. You hate to see billions of dollars having already been spent, but I don't want to spend additional billions of dollars and potentially create a situation that is not safe. I've been clear from the start that Yucca was a misconceived project. I want to get the best experts and make a determination on the best science available.

re: #46 mama winger

What are you doing to spread the word ?

Lots of us here are doing more than projecting fatalism.

You, especially.

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

electricity comes from the wall outlet, stupid. Not coal.

that's why electric cars are so green

/

re: #41 unrealizedviewpoint

troll alert - windbrother & alexknyc

Yes, because anyone with a slightly different viewpoint is a troll.

Is there a way to see someone's posting history-- what they've posted, not just how much?

Because, if there is, you may want to check out mine.

re: #31 SurferDoc

How do we get this to the McCain camp--like five minutes ago?

I just sent this out to someone who works on McCain's campaign in PA.

There is nothing much wrong with this in principle - it is an attempt at a market-based solution, where external costs are realized.

The problems are entirely an illustration of how clueless the big Zero is in practice. First that global warming is a problem, second that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, third that clean coal plants can't be built, also that market-based solutions should be so coercive. Could probably find a dozen other faults.

Heck, I don't particularly ant to use coal for power, I want to use it to synthesize liquid or gaseous hydrocarbons for transport.

And say Mr. Oz0bama, why don't you say a few words about the way our Chinese friends are polluting the planet right now with their coal, you see a nice, quick way to bankrupt them?

Now, Charles, you should know that playing clips of Obama saying something that could potentially damage his chances of winning swing-states with large coal industries (PA, OHIO) is an attack on the O himself. Racist!

/really, really sarc. Unfortunately, there are idiots out there that actually believe what I just wrote in jest.

re: #48 rightymouse

I just sent this link to a friend of mine who works for McCain's campaign in Pennsylvania.

Good for you! Thanks!

re: #58 MandyManners

You, especially.

I LOVE YOU MANDY !

:)

Yeah baby, the Mac is Back!

Every unit of carbon or greenhouse gas that was emitted will be charged to the polluter

/How ya gonna charge mother nature?

So?

Obadin doesn't want coal miner votes, anyway.

Have you seen those people?

Every time they come home from work they're still wearing their blackface makeup. Obviously down there doing minstral shows.

*Mammy, how I loves ya
How I loves ya
My dear Mammy"

Racists. Just look at them.

re: #45 MandyManners

Where do they think it comes from?! Nukes? No way.

Many are astonishingly ignorant. I recall a few years back when the farmers were demonstrating somewhere, a woman in the grocery store said to me " Who needs these farmers, I can get all the food I want at Waldbaums"

re: #65 mama winger

I LOVE YOU MANDY !

:)

I LOVE YOU, MAMA!

re: #45 MandyManners

Where do they think it comes from?! Nukes? No way.

Here in NYC, most people believe it's hydroelectricity.

re: #49 Dianna

So long as they're not proposing to do anything else to fat people, I can cope.

You never know. He could hit fat people with the tax the rich concept. The more you weigh the more you are expected to peddle?

Another one of my issues with the Nanny State. Let us choose what we want to eat, I'm not too stupid to realize fried food isn't healthy but if I want to eat a bucket of fried chicken...well dammit I better be able to.

re: #21 Sir Harris the Awesome

I thought the coalminers were unionized. Wouldn't that mean they would have to vote for Him by default? I know the steelworkers have to vote for Him.

Its not about the coal miners - its about the coal power stations which B0 is going to bankrupt.
Do watch the video, or read the transcript.

re: #69 SpartanWoman

Many are astonishingly ignorant. I recall a few years back when the farmers were demonstrating somewhere, a woman in the grocery store said to me " Who needs these farmers, I can get all the food I want at Waldbaums"

*thud*

re: #69 SpartanWoman

Many are astonishingly ignorant. I recall a few years back when the farmers were demonstrating somewhere, a woman in the grocery store said to me " Who needs these farmers, I can get all the food I want at Waldbaums"

un
believable

re: #55 Killian Bundy

/if someone doesn't at least monitor Drudge he's got idiots for campaign staff

It makes ya wonder doesn't it? I'm just a moderately well-informed amateur and I scan the major Conservative links five or six times a day.

re: #68 razorbacker

So?

Obadin doesn't want coal miner votes, anyway.

Have you seen those people?

Every time they come home from work they're still wearing their blackface makeup. Obviously down there doing minstral shows.

*Mammy, how I loves ya
How I loves ya
My dear Mammy"

Racists. Just look at them.

Finger hovering over report icon. . .ewww, not funny.

re: #71 alexknyc

Here in NYC, most people believe it's hydroelectricity.

NYC is not the rest of the nation.

re: #69 SpartanWoman

"We don't need coal, we ride the bus."

And coal accounts for, what, half the energy production plants in the Energy Sector?

He doesn't have any good intentions for the Agricultural Sector either, from what I was reading last night.

What other sectors does he intend to destroy?

McCain was so good last night on SNL.

In his two segments, he made more strides with the American public than The Messiah made in his 30 minute infomercial.

He was funny as Hell.

Obama has no sense of humor

I just called the McCain campaign in Virginia - you can call too (703) 418 2008 - they said it was ok. Jonathan, I think his name was, assured me that if Drudge has linked this THEY ARE ON IT - so I told him to get it to McCain while he's still in Penna.

And it looks like after I vote on Tues., I'll be driving voters to the polls!

I cant wait for the explanation.
When I have time Ill construct the New Obama Dictionary
where we can explore the new Omeanings.

Bankrupt = a profit adjustment based on political considerations

etc.

re: #75 mama winger

un
believable

They think it is manufactured in a plant in Cararsie, I guess.

Ho Hum... another day, another audience, and thus yet another version of Obama's policies...

re: #16 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, McCain gets to the clean coal section of his stump speech, on the TV, in Pennsylvania, and not a word about this bombshell.

/don't these people have Blackberries?

like someone else mentioned, maybe he'll pick it up later in the day.

Yet again, go to [Link: www.nextgenenergy.org...] and download their report on the electricity requirements of the US in the near future. If we have the misfortune of having 0bama elected and he implements this, we will have massive brownouts and blackouts starting as early as next year.

re: #82 wahabicorridor

I just called the McCain campaign in Virginia - you can call too (703) 418 2008 - they said it was ok. Jonathan, I think his name was, assured me that if Drudge has linked this THEY ARE ON IT - so I told him to get it to McCain while he's still in Penna.

And it looks like after I vote on Tues., I'll be driving voters to the polls!

SUPER NEWS ! ! !

re: #83 jimzinsocal

I cant wait for the explanation.
When I have time Ill construct the New Obama Dictionary
where we can explore the new Omeanings.

Bankrupt = a profit adjustment based on political considerations

etc.

He'll explain it next Wednesday

re: #21 Sir Harris the Awesome

I thought the coalminers were unionized. Wouldn't that mean they would have to vote for Him by default? I know the steelworkers have to vote for Him.

Union members can vote the way they want, whatever their bosses say.

re: #60 alexknyc

Yes, because anyone with a slightly different viewpoint is a troll.

Is there a way to see someone's posting history-- what they've posted, not just how much?

Because, if there is, you may want to check out mine.

Sorry, I'm a little busy right now. I based my opinion upon your response to my comment, which sounded trolly to me.

re: #80 Shay4l

And coal accounts for, what, half the energy production plants in the Energy Sector?

He doesn't have any good intentions for the Agricultural Sector either, from what I was reading last night.

What other sectors does he intend to destroy?

If he takes down energy and food production, what else does he need to destroy?

Bankrupt coal, bankrupt America, whats the difference to this Communist, as long as he's redistributing the wealth who cares.

re: #1 unrealizedviewpoint

This could change the election.

Could is the operative word here.

The problem is, the MSM will never get the word to the coal producing regions of the US. With the MSM in the tank for the Messiah, this 'news' is not fit to print.

" That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches."

Yes, bankruptcy always generates dollars. And jobs.
///

And why not? Obama will bankrupt most industries.

re: #82 wahabicorridor

I just called the McCain campaign in Virginia - you can call too (703) 418 2008 - they said it was ok. Jonathan, I think his name was, assured me that if Drudge has linked this THEY ARE ON IT - so I told him to get it to McCain while he's still in Penna.

And it looks like after I vote on Tues., I'll be driving voters to the polls!

Thanks for taking action!

re: #78 MandyManners

NYC is not the rest of the nation.

But they like to think they are!

re: #95 FightingBack

" That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches."

Yes, bankruptcy always generates dollars. And jobs.
///

Well, when you are flush wil Obamadollars. . .

re: #41 unrealizedviewpoint

troll alert - windbrother & alexknyc

Yep - as predicted: troll with might for the last 48 -24 hours, spread doom and gloom amongst those who aren't falling for B0.

re: #53 pegcity

At least he didn't drop the g's. It must have been a progressive audience.

I sent the video to the campaign addresses listed here, again from the HC Forum. And, sent it via the contact form at johnmccain.com.

The link at HCF also includes email address for all the major television shows.

Btw, the YouTube video is now up to over 22,000 views.

re: #50 SlartyBartfast

The coal industry will pass on these costs to everyone else. The net effect is a decline in the standard of living for everyone as more money gets sucked out of the system and into government coffers. The effect will be disastrous and long lasting. Obama can call this a tax on the coal companies, but it really is a tax that will hit everyone. 50% of power in the nation is generated from coal. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are in the coal industry. Many states are heavily reliant on the coal industry for taxes.

Companies will go out of business after not being able to absorb the higher energy costs as the coal companies pass on the higher costs of doing business.

It's a domino effect of a standard of living I want no part in ever letting happen.

re: #59 Shug

LOL!

Now your thinking like a liberal!

re: #98 arethusa

But they like to think they are!

"New York City? Get a rope."

I went to the mine worker's union website. McCain is against coal, and hates it. Obama loves coal! Obama is their friend!

C'mon, get this on the air! I can't stand watching McCain behind when it's so darned OBVIOUS what Obama is up to. We've gotta do this!

re: #82 wahabicorridor

WTG wahabi!

re: #101 notutopia

At least he didn't drop the g's. It must have been a progressive audience.

LOL!

re: #89 Shug

He'll explain it next Wednesday

Yeah. Wouldnt want to press just now..."were on a tarmac you know"

re: #6 MandyManners

It would be a massive transfer of wealth and the subordination of technology and science by ideology.

They've just about got the soft sciences locked up, high time to get after the hard sciences, no?

And let's not forget The One's explanation of the folks who work in the coal industry and whose livelihoods The One's policies will bankrupt:

"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I just sent this out to everyone I know. Buzzed up and shared link. This is a great story and we have to do our part to get it on the fore front.

We have the recent worldwide ripple effect from trouble in the US real estate market to give us a hint of what would happen to the world economy if this insane energy policy is realized. How well will the world "like" us then?

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

Let me get this straight; his plan is to "generate billions of dollars" by fining companies into bankruptcy?

Brilliant.

re: #89 Shug

He'll explain it next Wednesday

Heh, I was going to say the same thing but I'm trying to be more positive for the next few days.

re: #98 arethusa

But they like to think they are!

They are the most provincial people in the country masquerading as sophisticates. They have no clue about industry, mining, farming. A vague notion of the stock market suffices.

re: #112 Blackacre

And let's not forget The One's explanation of the folks who work in the coal industry and whose livelihoods The One's policies will bankrupt:

"can't I just eat my waffle?"

Sure, but there is a 700.00 surcharge for the energy to cook it. . .

I wonder if Obama knows that many people in America, including the Amish, heat their homes with coal furnaces.

re: #12 windbrother

Good points, but we still need coal for at least the next fifty to 100 years, we might as well try to find ways to make it clean. Like Barack Obama's tepid "support" for nuclear, wind vs. coal vs. natural gas is just another specious argurment. The point is we need all sources during the foreseeable future - by 2050 there will be 9 billion people on the planet, that's a lot of power just looking at cleaning the sewage. If you put them all in electric cars then we need to generate an estimated 70 petawatt hours of electricity - we are barely generating 12 now. All energy is good energy when it comes to the environment, some are better than others but it will take decades and decades to phase into them.

re: #106 DoubleU

I went to the mine worker's union website. McCain is against coal, and hates it. Obama loves coal! Obama is their friend!

Groupthink is a hallmark of Collectivism.

re: #111 quickredfox

They've just about got the soft sciences locked up, high time to get after the hard sciences, no?

I might need to take either a breather or some Valium. Outside of my divorce, this is the most scared I can remember being as an adult.

Hell, this is worse than boogeys under the bed when I was a kid.

re: #106 DoubleU

I went to the mine worker's union website. McCain is against coal, and hates it. Obama loves coal! Obama is their friend!

/cue Twilight Zone theme music...

re: #72 Sizzlack

There is nothing - nothing - I dread as much as people wanting to do things to me "for my own good."

I'm aware of my own dictatorial tendencies. I spend a lot of time sitting on them. The people who worry me have no idea that they actually want power. They think they're helping.

re: #50 SlartyBartfast

Only in Obama's alternate universe can massive bankruptcy generate billions of dollars!

And Change!

Pity is that all his followers think he's right and Hope for their part of Change.
Pity is that tehre won't be any left once he gets going.

No industries, no bussinesses > no taxes > no change, not even pennies!

re: #86 alien_mind

like someone else mentioned, maybe he'll pick it up later in the day.

/preferably some time before Tuesday

re: #112 Blackacre

And let's not forget The One's explanation of the folks who work in the coal industry and whose livelihoods The One's policies will bankrupt:

Oh, that would make a lovely point for McCain.

re: #119 rightymouse

I wonder if Obama knows that many people in America, including the Amish, heat their homes with coal furnaces.

Obama knows what Obama knows, which is nothing

re: #62 itellu3times

It doesn't even work in principle because in principle companies will always seek to pass on costs to their customers. Higher prices result for everyone.

It happened in the airline/travel industry with fuel surcharges, baggage fees, etc. It happened in the gasoline retail sales business - companies and owners of gas stations either had to eat the higher credit card sales surcharges, or charge more for credit than for cash.

In reality, the charges will all get passed on to you - the consumer. The energy companies wont go bankrupt, but everyone will be poorer for it.

re: #119 rightymouse

I wonder if Obama knows that many people in America, including the Amish, heat their homes with coal furnaces.

I don't know that, is it true? How many?

Nobody in Los Angeles, I daresay.

re: #124 Dianna

"How can I really help you if you aren't forced to follow my good advice?"

re: #112 Blackacre

No wonder most of the "learned" elites and academics love this guy. They agree with at least most of his Marxist ideology (i.e. the belief that people only "cling to guns or religion.." due solely to economic standing).

/I think the everyday people aren't too keen on this garbage, despite you see in the polls for the O.

Rat commie bastard promises to destroy America... News at never-o-clock...

The only good thing to do with fear is to turn it into anger and determination and then act on in a productive way.

re: #93 jainphx

Bankrupt coal, bankrupt America, whats the difference to this Communist, as long as he's redistributing the wealth who cares.

Redistributing other peoples' wealth of course -- people like him and his friends always seem to manage to exempt themselves one way or another.

Obama makes Stephaine Dion and the Liberal party of Canada sound right wing in Comparison.

I really hope America dosen't elect the black Jack Layton as president.

re: #73 yma o hyd

Yeah, thanks for the advice about watching the video. The Jawas had the video so I've kinda already seen it. I was responding to comment #8.

Coming to a town near you, if Obamanation of Desolation gets elected:

No power.
No water.
No food.
No protection from marauding hordes of his police force.
No medicine.
No medical care.
No hope.
Mass graves.

Drudge has the audio up now

That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

It's absolutely Orwellian that he paints this monstrous government intrusion in "free market" language. By these standards, the Sale of Indulgences was a "free market solution".

And don't you like that "... whatever power plants are being built" part? See, the power plants run by magic unicorn pixie dust will come out on top! In this "free market" scheme, doncha know.

I can see it now.

Obama's Greenhouse Gas squads visiting each of our homes, with little CO2 monitors.

taxing us for our carbon footprint.

bastards

I'd love to ship him a lump of coal and a bundle of switches for an early Christmas present.

Well, here come Palin in Ohio.

/let's see if she can pick up on it

re: #122 MandyManners

I might need to take either a breather or some Valium. Outside of my divorce, this is the most scared I can remember being as an adult.

Hell, this is worse than boogeys under the bed when I was a kid.

Take a smoke break, Mandy. We might have "preventative" medicine coming our way. Hell, I'll join you (virtually) *winks*

re: #106 DoubleU

I went to the mine worker's union website. McCain is against coal, and hates it. Obama loves coal! Obama is their friend!

Jeez.

Unions just continue their slow suicide.

re: #77 DisturbedEma

Here's the thing about people who work with their hands.

The coal dust, or grease, or dirt doesn't just get on your skin. It's in your skin. You don't wash it off without scrubbing off skin cells. Takes weeks, if not months.

When I left the folding chair factory after 2 years, my right thumb had a callous on the inside that made my thumb appear to be almost twice the size of the left thumb. Black from the grease ground in.

Embarrassing amongst polite company, but it eventually wore off.

re: #122 MandyManners

How about a massage?

/I'm a trained masseur, seriously! *j/k*.

re: #87 Shr_Nfr

This would be a nice complement to the above vid. Maybe someone can get both of these links to the McCain camp?

re: #141 Shug

I can see it now.

Obama's Greenhouse Gas squads visiting each of our homes, with little CO2 monitors.

taxing us for our carbon footprint.

bastards

Maybe we'll be able to buy our ways out of them by taking in boarders 'cause humans don't need all these thousands of square feet to live in.

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

I don't know. Why don't you tell us.

By the way, the YTD 2008 breakdown is:
59%  Coal
17%  Nuclear
12%  Natural Gas
11%  Hydroelectric
1%   Other

re: #124 Dianna

Check out Nanny State by David Harsanyi. It'll make you very frustrated as it did me (but was well worth it as I share your feelings).

What won't he bankrupt- except for the market in "community organizers".

From other thread, state by state breakdown on coal power production
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

re: #122 MandyManners

I might need to take either a breather or some Valium. Outside of my divorce, this is the most scared I can remember being as an adult.

Hell, this is worse than boogeys under the bed when I was a kid.

I have seen a return to my concentration camp nightmares from my childhood, in addition to the pogrom ones. I see my children killed in front of me, and then I wake up screaming and go check on them all. . .

I have had swastikas drawn on my property, and have been called "Zionist bitch" and "kike bitch" in letters left in my box and mailed to my house. I submitted them to the police and copies to my bosses. . .

I am not really afraid. . .I AM PISSED OFF! And the only thing I really fear, is the powerlessness that may come if that bastard is elected!

re: #12 windbrother

McCain wants cap-and-trade as well.

And quite frankly, please remember that coal may be a necessary evil but it is not desirable. Both the mercury emissions and megatons of radioactive materials released into the atmosphere and the fact that fly ash is richer in those materials than some pitchblende.

We can move away from coal. T. Boone Pickens and others like him have good points. CNG for transport rather than generation.

And if we really wanted to, we could build a couple hundred reactors in ten years, although it would require huge investments and Manhattan Project style work. We have advanced Gen III+ designs that have already been approved and some Gen IV designs (I like thorium based designs myself). And there are solutions to the waste problem other than burying the stuff - MOX fuel, reprocessing, Integral Fast Reactor (fast neutrons achieve 95% fuel burnup), and plenty of others.

Yes, of course! If we shut down our own proven energy sources we will be forced to "innovate"!

Do you even read the crap you write?

T. Boone Pickens has good points? Really? T. Boone Pickens is looking out for no one but T. Boone Pickens. He's spending lots of money trying to convince us WE, the taxpayers, need to pay for transmission infrastructure for HIS wind farms.

re: #138 Perplexed

Coming to a town near you, if Obamanation of Desolation gets elected:

No power.
No water.
No food.
No protection from marauding hordes of his police force.
No medicine.
No medical care.
No hope.
Mass graves.

But we get:

Hope!
Change!

/sarc

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches."

While we all freeze in the dark.

IDIOT!

Oh please start hammering this, both Mac and Sarah. She is in OH right now, correct?

If Glenn and Rush's people are on the ball (and most of the time they are) this will show up in the first hour on Monday.

And you know Hannity is going to practically jump up and down on top of the microphone with it.

re: #144 baxtrice

Take a smoke break, Mandy. We might have "preventative" medicine coming our way. Hell, I'll join you (virtually) *winks*

I'm going through too many cigarettes already.

re: #145 MarkX

Jeez.

Unions just continue their slow suicide.

Except that now they apparently think slow is way to slow...

What the F@#$ is wrong with this guy?

He hates coal because its only digged in bitter clingy religious states!

re: #147 mitthrawnurdo

How about a massage?

/I'm a trained masseur, seriously! *j/k*.

You could bounce a tire-iron off my shoulders right now.

I have emailed this to every news outlet in Pennsylvania and Virginia.
Also to Fox and Drudge (who has it up now).

I sent it to about 100 news sources including papers, radio and television stations.

re: #142 MandyManners

I'd love to ship him a lump of coal and a bundle of switches for an early Christmas present.

The McCain campaign should buy a truckload of coal to pass out at rallies.

re: #152 opinionated

What won't he bankrupt- except for the market in "community organizers".

Telling us how to live with the collective.

re: #8 alexknyc

No it can't. He wasn't getting the coal miner vote anyhow.

He might not be getting the coal miner vote but there are many, many others who would be affected by this. Namely truck drivers and trainmen, people whose lives would be directly impacted by this insane policy. They're not gonna like this, not one bit.

re: #38 nyc redneck

this is the obama gov't purposefully bankrupting american industry.
he is so focused on destroying our way of life. taking us backward.
he is not fit to lead. he will weaken our country. and take us over a clif.

It's not about the environment - it's just a lever to destroy the economy and bring us down to third world status.

::liberal slaps America's hands:: 'NO superpower status for you greedy imperialists! Get in line on your knees at the UN, behind all those genocidal dictatorships!'

re: #117 SpartanWoman

They are the most provincial people in the country masquerading as sophisticates. They have no clue about industry, mining, farming. A vague notion of the stock market suffices.

Brilliant. Eating in fine restaurants seven nights a week and making jokes about the people in "flyover country" who produce the food in front of their faces.

Charles - there's also a vid posted a couple days back where Barack Obama talks about sending "price signals" for electricity that might be good paired with this. I wrote about it here and linked the spund.

what i find strange is that left wing canada is building tons of new oil refineries and Nuclear plants, drilling anywhere we can including off shore. and supposed right wing America is going backwards on all fronts, new new refineries, no new nuclear plants or off shore drilling.

Are we gonna get a November surprise in the next 48 hrs?

or is this it?

re: #3 capitalistbaby

I hate this guy with the fire of a thousand suns.

I actually don't hate that idiot.

I just recognize the fact that he is a hazard to human life and to civilization in general and needs to be dealt with as such.

re: #130 itellu3times

I don't know that, is it true? How many?

Nobody in Los Angeles, I daresay.

Rather helpfully, our local power provider here in DC (Pepco) sends you a statement with a breakdown of what sources your 'leccy came from. The bulk is coal here, with nukes in second place. I hope consumers think about this.

re: #154 DisturbedEma

I have seen a return to my concentration camp nightmares from my childhood, in addition to the pogrom ones. I see my children killed in front of me, and then I wake up screaming and go check on them all. . .

I have had swastikas drawn on my property, and have been called "Zionist bitch" and "kike bitch" in letters left in my box and mailed to my house. I submitted them to the police and copies to my bosses. . .

I am not really afraid. . .I AM PISSED OFF! And the only thing I really fear, is the powerlessness that may come if that bastard is elected!

Recently? Oh, that's beyond awful. Have you called the cops?

re: #165 MandyManners

I'm pretty sure the goal is nationalization of the energy industries.

re: #136 pegcity

Obama makes Stephaine Dion and the Liberal party of Canada sound right wing in Comparison.

I really hope America dosen't elect the black Jack Layton as president.

The problem is, we're "racist" if we don't.

re: #122 MandyManners

I agree. I don't know how I can go to sleep the evening of Nov. 4th. I thinking of taking November 5th off...hopefully to celebrate. But no matter who wins, it's going to be ugly for months - the result will be challenged. If we actually have a POTUS locked in by Inauguration Day, I'll be shocked.

re: #106 DoubleU

Better link that video.

re: #159 MandyManners

I'm going through too many cigarettes already.

You and me both. "Big Tobacco" should send me a thank you card for the Holidays! Ha!

re: #146 razorbacker

Here's the thing about people who work with their hands.

The coal dust, or grease, or dirt doesn't just get on your skin. It's in your skin. You don't wash it off without scrubbing off skin cells. Takes weeks, if not months.

When I left the folding chair factory after 2 years, my right thumb had a callous on the inside that made my thumb appear to be almost twice the size of the left thumb. Black from the grease ground in.

Embarrassing amongst polite company, but it eventually wore off.

I know what you meant, I was just thinking about our troll problem. . .my family smudged orchards, I know what you meant! :)

re: #165 MandyManners

Telling us how to live with the collective.

Relations with Cuba within 90 days, and then we can import some of their experts.

re: #129 lawhawk

It doesn't even work in principle because in principle companies will always seek to pass on costs to their customers. Higher prices result for everyone.

Yes and no. Mostly no. At least in theory. What it does is monetize other "costs". Say you get cheap power and polluted air that, say, ruins the paint on your car (besides also destroying your lungs and your life). You can either pay an extra $100/year into the car paint fund, or $100/year more for cleaner power. So the argument goes, and it is largely correct, as long as the numbers and the science are all done competently.

re: #71 alexknyc

Here in NYC, most people believe it's hydroelectricity.

New Yorkers think energy comes from Hydro? I thought all New Yorkers did was bitch about Indian Point.

I would like to know what are Obama's plans for taxing me because I breath out carbon dioxide.

Also, the fizz in beer is Co2.

Shall we have flat beer?

And further, this odious intervention might be bringing us the next ice age sooner.

Feh.

It is more important to placate the Al Gore Chicken Little's of the world than it is meet the power needs of the country. Obama to you: sit in the cold dark, but feel good about yourself because you are "saving the planet" by freezing to death.

So, no coal, no nuclear...how many wind turbines and solar panels will it take to meet the needs of the USA then? A few more than we have now, I bet

re: #161 looking closely

What the F@#$ is wrong with this guy?

He hates coal because its only digged in bitter clingy religious states!

It ain't the coal. It's the transfer of wealth!

re: #161 looking closely

What the F@#$ is wrong with this guy?

He hates coal because its only digged in bitter clingy religious states!

It might be deals cut with other countries in that we stop using coal and instead export it to other countries.

/channeling dead UN officials.
/sarc

re: #155 Spiny Norman

T. Boone Pickens is looking out for no one but T. Boone Pickens. He's spending lots of money trying to convince us WE, the taxpayers, need to pay for transmission infrastructure for HIS wind farms.

Ditto.

Thank you.

Oh and I sent it to Sean Hannity too!

re: #162 MandyManners

Damn, I figured that was the case. I was just offern'.

/The Marine, who's picture you post every so often, could probably help you out with that.

re: #187 MandyManners

It ain't the coal. It's the transfer of wealth!

If it wasn't coal, it would be something else.

re: #154 DisturbedEma

{Ema}

Dear Ema.

re: #49 Dianna

So long as they're not proposing to do anything else to fat people, I can cope.

When you drink a nice glass of wine, someone is offended.

re: #5 jaunte

Let's bankrupt half the power generation capacity of the U.S. and see what happens. Prairie Fire doesn't begin to describe it.

I believe the correct term for that is civil war.

I Don't think its going to be anything like the nice gentlemanly affair we had in the 1860's.

B0: "Let me sort of describe my overall policy."

The fact that this malcontent moron has a policy and that we are in a position to have to care about his policy is still beyond belief to me.

re: #164 unrealizedviewpoint

The McCain campaign should buy a truckload of coal to pass out at rallies.

Oh, that would be eductional.

re: #162 MandyManners

You could bounce a tire-iron off my shoulders right now.

Mine too. . .My ears are FLUSH AND PLUM with my shoulders. . .

re: #161 looking closely

What the F@#$ is wrong with this guy?

He hates coal because its only digged in bitter clingy religious states!

It's more authentically black than he is.

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Heh, I was going to say the same thing but I'm trying to be more positive for the next few days.

Good!

And hello - haven't been around when you have the last week or so. I hope you're doing well.

re: #168 gymnast

'Tanit funny Magee.

re: #166 Wide Right

He might not be getting the coal miner vote but there are many, many others who would be affected by this. Namely truck drivers and trainmen, people whose lives would be directly impacted by this insane policy. They're not gonna like this, not one bit.

It'll affect EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN.

re: #172 Shug

Are we gonna get a November surprise in the next 48 hrs?

or is this it?

I think a "surprise" now has very little effect - so many people have already voted, and it would have to be really, really BIG to get attention. A big thing could be broken on a blog, but unless the media breaks it, few people will know by Tuesday.

re: #140 Occasional Reader

It's absolutely Orwellian that he paints this monstrous government intrusion in "free market" language. By these standards, the Sale of Indulgences was a "free market solution".

And don't you like that "... whatever power plants are being built" part? See, the power plants run by magic unicorn pixie dust will come out on top! In this "free market" scheme, doncha know.

The One is not bound by the constraints of reality, silly. This is what Harvard has done for him.

re: #176 jaunte

I'm pretty sure the goal is nationalization of the energy industries.

More than that.

re: #186 Desert Dog

You'd probably have to rip apart all the mountains in America for the materials you'll need to build even a fraction of the windmills needed for the US's projected power needs.

re: #50 SlartyBartfast

Only in Obama's alternate universe can massive bankruptcy generate billions of dollars!

And Change!

Now I get it! Wealth is created from bankruptcy - I always wondered about that.

re: #130 itellu3times

I don't know that, is it true? How many?

Nobody in Los Angeles, I daresay.

Nobody in Los Angeles needs a coal furnace, I daresay. lol!

They are quite prevalent here in Ohio, especially among the Amish.

I just figured it out! Obama will take all that icky coal, crush it in his superhuman grip, and produce thousands of diamonds. This in turn will generate billions of dollars, which can be invested in alternative sources of energy, like wind, solar and biodiesel. It can't miss!

Through early morning fog I see

visions of the things to be

the pains that are withheld for me

I realize and I can see...

that suicide is painless

It brings on many changes

and I can take or leave it if I please.

He'll simply negate his authority if he does stuff like this. I don't know if he's fully aware of that and just shmoozing the San Fransicko idiots, but it's interesting that the newspaper didn't quite dare to print it. How much taht comes out of this turkey's mouth is going to be met with "we can't do that, that's not going to work, it's not in the realm of possibility, nuh-uh, think again".

Just vote "present" everyday, H, that's worked for you in the past.

re: #115 Ringo the Gringo

Let me get this straight; his plan is to "generate billions of dollars" by fining companies into bankruptcy?

Brilliant.

Look to Chavez for the template. Suck all the money out of sectors one at a time to enrich themselves and strengthen The Party, and nationalize them as they fail.

re: #190 Typicalwhitey

Oh and I sent it to Sean Hannity too!

no need. he already stole it from here

re: #142 MandyManners

I'd love to ship him a lump of coal and a bundle of switches for an early Christmas present.

The Obamas don't do Christmas presents Mandy, remember? I totally pity their two little girls...

B. Hussein O. will start with coal and then bankrupt every other industry in America. But I believe that the ultimate objective is full scale nationalization of the energy sector. Oil and coal are huge cash cows that the democRAT/Marxists/socialists/communists (there is no difference) need to finance their schemes. The O doesn't want to bankrupt tham as much as he wants to take them over by fiat.

re: #178 BaseballMom57

I agree. I don't know how I can go to sleep the evening of Nov. 4th. I thinking of taking November 5th off...hopefully to celebrate. But no matter who wins, it's going to be ugly for months - the result will be challenged. If we actually have a POTUS locked in by Inauguration Day, I'll be shocked.

re: #209 Occasional Reader

That's above Messiah's pay grade.

/He'll just manifest it out of thin air, like all the rest of his policies.

re: #174 Occasional Reader

Rather helpfully, our local power provider here in DC (Pepco) sends you a statement with a breakdown of what sources your 'leccy came from. The bulk is coal here, with nukes in second place. I hope consumers think about this.

I thought he meant directly, in home furnaces. Even LA gets some electric from four-corners coal, IIRC.

re: #159 MandyManners

I'm going through too many cigarettes already.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I know this is making you anxious, but remember, you can only control yourself. That's it.

So do your best, and remember that you are not the queen of the world.

Even if you should be.

By the time Obama leaves office in 2016 our cars will run on unicorn droppings and our homes will be powered by rainbows and magic beans.

All hail the great O!

re: #182 opinionated

Relations with Cuba within 90 days, and then we can import some of their experts.

Mikey Moore would have to give up some of his food.

re: #164 unrealizedviewpoint

The McCain campaign should buy a truckload of coal to pass out at rallies.

And tell people that's all the energy they have to use over 4 years if they elect President O!

/

re: #215 deportman

I believe that the ultimate objective is full scale nationalization of the energy sector. Oil and coal are huge cash cows that the democRAT/Marxists/socialists/communists (there is no difference) need to finance their schemes. The O doesn't want to bankrupt tham as much as he wants to take them over by fiat.

Yep.

re: #191 mitthrawnurdo

Damn, I figured that was the case. I was just offern'.

/The Marine, who's picture you post every so often, could probably help you out with that.

I doubt even he would be a distraction.

re: #218 itellu3times

I thought he meant directly, in home furnaces. Even LA gets some electric from four-corners coal, IIRC.

HAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Coal fired plants in Texas supply much of California with electricity. Law of unintended consequences coming back to haunt the ONE.

So new new oil plants, no new nuclear plants, no new coal cause its dirty.

So um wind power and dreams?

Lel..L...L..Lem...Lel..L L L let me try to describe my overall policies.

This is a great speaker?

re: #220 Ringo the Gringo

O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma! O-ba-ma!

/What's the stupidest sound in the world? Adults chanting this man's name like he's the Messiah. And even worse, encouraging their kids to do the same.

Has anyone honestly gotten a quote on what it would actually cost each household to become self sustained off the grid using solar power?
I did. WOW It is VERY expensive as an out of pocket expense. The panels and battery banks alone are unbelievable much less the cost of software and hardware to operate and control it.

re: #201 Perplexed

'Tanit funny Magee.

Twern't meant to be funny!

Google "Bloody Williamson"

re: #226 pegcity

So new new oil plants, no new nuclear plants, no new coal cause its dirty.

So um wind power and dreams?

Get a sweater. I think Jimmy Carter may have an extra one.

re: #141 Shug

I can see it now.

Obama's Greenhouse Gas squads visiting each of our homes, with little CO2 monitors.

taxing us for our carbon footprint.

bastards

I'll just hold my breath till those little twerps leave.

re: #93 jainphx

Bankrupt coal, bankrupt America, whats the difference to this Communist, as long as he's redistributing the wealth who cares.

Thing is - there won't be any wealth left for him to redistribute.
But thats something which never occurs to marxists - after all, they live a sheltered life. Remember the Nomenklatura in Soviet Russia?

re: #207 debutaunt

Now I get it! Wealth is created from bankruptcy - I always wondered about that.

If you're a bankruptcy attorney.

re: #10 AZmom

Again, this is a comment that he said to a "friendly" audience. When he is in front of his commie friends he shows his true colors. It is scary how much he changes when the audience changes.

To Obama's credit, he didn't change his colors when Joe the Plumber asked him about his tax plan. Obama could have just said "no - I'm not proposing we redistribute wealth", but he didn't. If he had, I doubt Joe the Plumber would have entered into the political spotlight as he has.

re: #140 Occasional Reader

It's absolutely Orwellian that he paints this monstrous government intrusion in "free market" language. By these standards, the Sale of Indulgences was a "free market solution".

Just reading "A Distant Mirror" where they talk about this, the church said they had "an inexhaustible bank" due to the blood of Christ, that they could sell you little pieces of, forever. Sounds a lot like Hank Paulson.

re: #26 Sizzlack

Why do I have this creeping feeling that by 2012 in an Obama administration, we will all be responsible for producing our own power, and we will do so by peddling government issued bikes attached to generators, so we can keep fit and green at the same time.
Fat people will not be excluded.

An Obama administration will not last until 2012.

If we're lucky we get a Pinochet. If we are unlucky we get a nightmare like the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939.

Save the nation. Vote Republican.

re: #235 zelnaga

What's the actual definition of a gaffe? When a politican tells you the truth.

re: #219 Dianna

Oh, I'm sorry.

I know this is making you anxious, but remember, you can only control yourself. That's it.

So do your best, and remember that you are not the queen of the world.

Even if you should be.

Empress of the Universe would be a nice fit.

But, you're right. Must remember to breathe.

re: #193 mama winger

{Ema}

Dear Ema.

Sometimes it is just too much to believe. . .but my family thought that in 1933. . .34. . . 35. . .and after 1940, December, we never heard from them again.

Too many of the demented Jews voting for this guy are too removed from their history. I am feeling blessed and cursed by my 2nd gen American status. . .with a Bubbe that brought herself over at 17. . .in time to live, her family was wiped out by the Einsatzgruppen.

My mother's side went to the camps because they could not believe in the evil they saw all around them, and in a horrible bit of family history irony, thought they were being taken east for their protection.

I grew up wondering if I would have it in me, prayed I would never have to find out. . .now I may have to, and I refuse to discount any scenario, I learn from history to keep from repeating it!

re: #185 Ojoe

I would like to know what are Obama's plans for taxing me because I breath out carbon dioxide.

Also, the fizz in beer is Co2.

Shall we have flat beer?

And further, this odious intervention might be bringing us the next ice age sooner.

Feh.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the EPA has the power to regulate your flatulence.

re: #194 debutaunt

When you drink a nice glass of wine, someone is offended.

I tend to think that's the individual's problem.

It's akin to my personal dislike of marijuana. I don't want it around me. But I will not get on anyone's case who's smoking it in his/her own home.

Okay, we can't build any clean coal power plants (nevermind that we're sitting on the world's largest coal reserves) and we sure as hell won't be allowed to build any nuclear plants. Drilling for morre oil? In your dreams.

/what's the next step in this "energy policy", back to the stone age?

re: #230 gymnast

Uh, that could be referred to as a possible threat. Charles takes a very dim view of even implied threats.

LGF is very slow today. Sort of like Obama.

re: #169 JohnAdams

Brilliant. Eating in fine restaurants seven nights a week and making jokes about the people in "flyover country" who produce the food in front of their faces.

Another common notion in NYC (among those who have any clue about farming) is the the "best" produce and meat is "saved for NYC", undoubtably due to their superiority and uncompromising standards.

I find even going there for over rated theater to be a huge unpleasant chore.

re: #242 Dianna

I tend to think that's the individual's problem.

It's akin to my personal dislike of marijuana. I don't want it around me. But I will not get on anyone's case who's smoking it in his/her own home.

Oh, for a joint.

re: #32 alexknyc

How many Americans know that most of their electricity comes from coal and oil?

I recall one moron saying that he didn't use oil because he rode the bus.

re: #221 MandyManners

Mikey Moore would have to give up some of his food.

More then just Moore.

Moscow on the Hudson. As Moscow used to be.

And on the Potomac

And on the Mississippi

And near the Gulf.

And in the Dakotas

From sea to shining sea.

The fruits of Socialism.

re: #210 opinionated

This is apropos:

The sword of time liberalism will pierce our skins

It doesn't hurt when it begins

But as it works its way on in

The pain grows stronger...watch it grin...

re: #150 Opilio

I don't know. Why don't you tell us.

By the way, the YTD 2008 breakdown is:
59%  Coal
17%  Nuclear
12%  Natural Gas
11%  Hydroelectric
1%   Other

that 1% comes from all the methane produced by the B.S, Obama's been shovelin' But that should solve all our energy problems?

Alright, folks, time for the rubber to meet the road. I think it's come to this: An Obama presidency will be absolutely disastrous.

[Link: secure.johnmccain.com...]

MAKE CALLS!

The major sources of energy in the U.S. for the next several decades will be coal, oil, nuclear, and natural gas. Attempting to force alternatives to these (as both McCain and especially Obama advocate) is wasteful and inefficient.

If McCain wins, there is a slim chance that he can be browbeaten by Republicans into backpedaling to some degree on his asinine cap-and-trade policies. If Obama wins, I don't even see hope for that (at least, not until his policies have destroyed yet another sector of the economy).

Bottom line: send as many senators and representatives that oppose cap-and-trade to Congress as possible. Speak out against the unproven theory of anthropogenic global warming.

re: #249 opinionated

More then just Moore.

Moscow on the Hudson. As Moscow used to be.

And on the Potomac

And on the Mississippi

And near the Gulf.

And in the Dakotas

From sea to shining sea.

The fruits of Socialism.

I refuse to be skeered.

Another lizard posted this and I didn't take note of the name, but I saved the site.

[Link: www.dartblog.com...]

Why wasn't this being played over and over on the MSM?

Yeah, I know...

re: #211 Salem

There's a distinct possibility that the Zero's only real and abiding ambition is to get a lot of high-quality tail like JFK. This is the optimist in me.

re: #178 BaseballMom57

I agree. I don't know how I can go to sleep the evening of Nov. 4th. I thinking of taking November 5th off...hopefully to celebrate. But no matter who wins, it's going to be ugly for months - the result will be challenged. If we actually have a POTUS locked in by Inauguration Day, I'll be shocked.

I won't be sleeping, either...but that scenario worries me, because if Obama loses, I'm sure that he and his 9000 lawyers will find a way to keep the results of the election tied up in court for years. On the other hand, I worry that McCain in such a situation might make like Nixon in 1960 and step aside for the good of the country, even if the election was clearly stolen. Both ways, aaargh.

re: #114 jaunte

We have the recent worldwide ripple effect from trouble in the US real estate market to give us a hint of what would happen to the world economy if this insane energy policy is realized. How well will the world "like" us then?

Good question!
IIRC, Japan and Germany have already blamed the baaad USA for all the World's economic troubles.

re: #39 pegcity

Everyone should get the FLV save plug in for mozilla, nice thing when the obamtons erase anything that would harm the messiah

I predict that a phrase that come into common use will be: Dumber than a Democrat.

re: #117 SpartanWoman

They are the most provincial people in the country masquerading as sophisticates. They have no clue about industry, mining, farming. A vague notion of the stock market suffices.

I lived in North Jersey, just outside of Manhattan, for 40 years, until I escaped the liberal wasteland, so I know them intimately. NYCers are smart, educated and sophisticated, do not underestimate them. However, they believe their ability to survive "the City" makes them superior to the rest of the rubes across the country. It is their blind spot and weakness.

Unfortunately, their financial power, having control of Wall Street, gives them immense influence and power to harm the country. I used to hope that electronic trading would dilute the power of Wall Street, but it doesn't appear to be happening.