More Proof Rashid Khalidi Was a Terrorist Shill

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Politics • Sun Nov 2, 2008 at 3:28 pm PST • Views: 539

As the media and the Obama campaign continue to cover for Rashid Khalidi, repeating his denials that he was a spokesman for Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization at a time when they were murdering Americans and were listed as a terrorist group by the US, Martin Kramer has exhaustively documented the falsehood of these excuses. His post on the subject has been updated with more proof that Khalidi was indeed a shill for terrorists.

Ironically, the latest proof comes from … the Los Angeles Times.

Also at Martin Kramer’s Sandbox: In praise of the LA Times.

UPDATE at 11/3/08 8:47:59 am:

More information on Khalidi’s terrorist past at IRIS blog: Princeton Censors Ex-PLO Speakers; Likely to Hire PLO Professor.

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1 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:53pm

Obama knows that we know that he knows.

2 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:16pm

re: #1 imploder

Obama knows that we know that he knows.

And he's smirking like a canary-chewing alley cat.

3 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:21pm

re: #1 imploder

Obama knows that we know that he knows.

///and I know that Obama knows that we know that he knows

4 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:24pm

A terrorist? O's voters don't care. And his handlers love it.

5 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:26pm

I'm starting to feel like proof means nothing in this world anymore. It's all about spin and willingness to suspend disbelief and rational thought.

6 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:37pm
7 Elcid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:53pm

But...Khalidi is such a well spoken shill for terrorists, Just like Bill. Maybe that's why Obama, loves the guys...Well to my knowledge NOT in a carnal way.

8 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:32:00pm

and theres all the unknown unknowns that we dont know about obama, yet...

9 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:33:16pm

re: #4 FightingBack

A terrorist? O's voters don't care. And his handlers love it.

i agree.. they dismiss is as something like "reds under the bed" GOP scare tactics.

much better to hit hard on his crazy policies.

10 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:33:22pm

Director of the Palestinian press agency, but not a spokesman- oh-kaaay.

The Ministry of Truth lives!

11 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:33:33pm

re: #2 Who Watches the Watchmen?

And he's smirking like a canary-chewing alley cat.

Hey, please don't use cats in ANY comparison to Obama. Weasels, rats, other vermin, though, are fine.

12 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:34:21pm

#1, Like we needed any MORE proof
#2, Like ANY proof would sway an Obamaton/ MSMer anyway

13 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:34:21pm

re: #5 arethusa

I'm starting to feel like proof means nothing in this world anymore. It's all about spin and willingness to suspend disbelief and rational thought.

We need to come up with a clever 'one-size, fits all' sort of phrase to stop this . . . , did that make sense?

14 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:34:33pm

Someone babysat Obama's kids.

And there's only so many terrorist sympathizers in his neighborhood whose house he's been to more than once.

/doubtful that the math will work out on this rumor before Tuesday though

15 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:34:39pm

Wow, that's a damning article about Kahlidi, really damning.

The MSM should be absolutely despondent over their failings in vetting Barack Obama. They did not inform or report about Obama's fellow travelers. They played along because they have an axe to grind.

This isn't partisan bickering, the freaking evidence is overwhelming and Obama supporters can't do much more than brush it off. Holy shit.

16 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:35:57pm

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

17 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:36:37pm

re: #11 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, please don't use cats in ANY comparison to Obama. Weasels, rats, other vermin, though, are fine.

I think Basement Cat is appropriate.

18 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:15pm

re: #11 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, please don't use cats in ANY comparison to Obama. Weasels, rats, other vermin, though, are fine.

Image: funny-pictures-rule-number-one-for-throwing-snowballs.jpg

19 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:18pm
20 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:24pm

re: #16 NoSubmission

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

I think they correctly fear what will happen to them if they don't go away quietly.

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:39pm

re: #17 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I think Basement Cat is appropriate.

Oh, dear, I can't really argue with that!

22 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:47pm

Khalidi:

"If they can do that, Mr. Khalidi said, the Israeli's will then feel free to force the Palestinians under their occupation to agree to a form of self-rule as the Israelis conceive it."

He continued, "Then we will have technology, dammit. And civil discourse amongst our peers, dammit. Education, science, philosophy...dammit. No more stuffing women into gunny sacks dammit. No more female genital mutilation...dammit. No more stoning of gang raped 'uncovered meat' in the guise of 'adultery'...dammit. No more honor killings, dammit. No more suicide bombers, dammit. THOSE OPPRESSIVE JOOOS!"

*spit*

23 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:16pm

re: #13 outsidephilly

We need to come up with a clever 'one-size, fits all' sort of phrase to stop this . . . , did that make sense?

That's the problem, there is no 'one size, fits all' to cover so many major flaws in this mans character.

Maybe that was the word: CHARACTER, he has none.

24 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:26pm

re: #16 NoSubmission

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

I think they're just biding their time. In their (and his) mind Obama can resurrect them all after he's won. Why would they rock the boat when they'll be able to come out of hiding after it's over?

25 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:41pm

re: #16 NoSubmission

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

they are waiting, patiently. and hoping.
(did you get my message?)

26 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:39:00pm

After Obama proves himself to be a Marxist dictator, can the military decide he's unfit for command and commandeer Air Force One, offering him a choice between Guantanamo Bay and Nairobi?

27 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:39:43pm

re: #26 Who Watches the Watchmen?

No. This is America.

28 Bill Amos  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:39:43pm

Meanwhile Mullah Zogby warns McCain he will pay a price for attacking an upstanding man like Mr Khalidi

29 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:40:30pm

re: #16 NoSubmission

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

What did it cost to make Wright shut up?
Ayers to stay quiet?
etc..?

30 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:02pm

re: #28 Bill Amos

Meanwhile Mullah Zogby warns McCain he will pay a price for attacking an upstanding man like Mr Khalidi

Well, if it's so nice, why are they hiding the tape?

31 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:10pm

re: #23 unrealizedviewpoint

That's the problem, there is no 'one size, fits all' to cover so many major flaws in this mans character.

Maybe that was the word: CHARACTER, he has none.

I 'hear' ya . . . , when something like is brought up for 'discussion' I generally say things like, "Isn't that creepy to you?" and the response is often a blank stare.

32 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:23pm
33 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:37pm

re: #27 FightingBack

No. This is America.

Is it 2012 yet?

/srsly, I'm going to go out and vote on Tuesday and hope that America doesn't make a very serious error in judgment.

34 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:48pm

re: #29 unrealizedviewpoint

What did it cost to make Wright shut up?
Ayers to stay quiet?
etc..?

prominence in the long run! (see my #24)

35 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:52pm

re: #29 unrealizedviewpoint

Their access to power when he wins. They get nothing when he loses.

36 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:55pm

re: #16 NoSubmission

What's interesting about all the people under Obama's bus is how quietly they DO just go away. They know they have to remove their slimey countenances from the glare of the national spotlight. They KNOW that they hurt the One.

They don't call them the Weather Underground for nothing.

37 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:56pm

re: #29 unrealizedviewpoint

What did it cost to make Wright shut up?
Ayers to stay quiet?
etc..?

..and did the checks come directly from Soros's account or round about?

38 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:57pm

re: #26 Who Watches the Watchmen?

After Obama proves himself to be a Marxist dictator, can the military decide he's unfit for command and commandeer Air Force One, offering him a choice between Guantanamo Bay and Nairobi?

but obama will have his "civillian national security force"

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

39 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:42:14pm

re: #21 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, dear, I can't really argue with that!

/damn, I wish they were that out in the open, my cats are infinitely more creative at hiding their toys

40 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:42:56pm

re: #28 Bill Amos

Meanwhile Mullah Zogby warns McCain he will pay a price for attacking an upstanding man like Mr Khalidi


I kinda don't think McCain is getting the Arab vote anyway.

41 saltmarsh  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:16pm

After Obama is defeated on Tuesday, we should...
Oops, I can't talk about that until after the election.

42 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:39pm

re: #35 FightingBack

Their access to power when he wins. They get nothing when he loses.

Not Wright. he's in for the money today. Not tomorrow. bird in hand...

43 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:39pm
It is worth explaining what it [sic] meant to be "deeply involved in politics in Beirut" during the civil war in Lebanon. It was not at all like community organizing in Chicago. The Lebanese state had ceased to function; the political actors were all armed militias, Lebanese and Palestinian. Every individual needed to be affiliated with such an organization, if not for bread then at least for protection. Khalidi was known to be affiliated with, and protected by, Arafat's Fatah. A 1979 New York Times report (by Youssef Ibrahim) described Khalidi as "a professor of political science who is close to Al Fatah." In Beirut, to be "close" to an organization meant you enjoyed its protection in return for loyalty and services rendered. Khalidi's wife also worked as an English translator for the PLO's press agency, Wafa. So savvy journalists knew that if they wanted the Fatah spin, they could get it from Khalidi.

Nice jab at 0bama.

44 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:56pm

re: #38 buzzdroid

but obama will have his "civillian national security force"

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Obama's civilian security force can chew on my ribbon rack...

45 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:44:34pm

re: #22 Oh no...Sand People!

/ ...I guess...

46 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:44:58pm

GOP to burn Obama on coal
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

automated calls in PA... playing Obama's own words on the coal industry.

47 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:45:51pm

re: #40 yah

I kinda don't think McCain is getting the Arab vote anyway.

. . . , like, do you think they are registered to vote?

48 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:01pm

re: #46 buzzdroid

GOP to burn Obama on coal
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

automated calls in PA... playing Obama's own words on the coal industry.

At least they were quick about it.

49 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:01pm

re: #44 imploder

Obama's civilian security force can chew on my ribbon rack...

Nice ...now I take your nick a little more seriously.

50 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:07pm

Win or lose, I wonder if the MSM will start looking into all these allegations. I cannot imagine that Hillary, et. al., would not be interested in seeing all this stuff come forward to increase her chances for 2012.

One thing I know for sure...we all need to start digging up a lot of things...particularly policy. Wish there was a web site that presented each bill and discussions pro and con on all of it so we could all become more educated on legislation. I don't want to just read the legal bill, but undo the rhetoric to common language and then people post pro's and con's on the legislation itself.

We have to take this country back...

51 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:40pm
52 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:47pm

re: #47 outsidephilly

Like, yeah, and then some.

53 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:05pm

re: #40 yah

I kinda don't think McCain is getting the Arab vote anyway.

i cant see Iraqi , or even Iranian exiles, voting for "the One" , who want to leave Iraq to the mercies of Al Qaeda. and who wants to sit down and have a cup of tea with the Iranian regime...

54 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:25pm

C'mon. The whole freakin' world is clammed-up. Everybody, and I mean everybody is pulling a Sergeant Schultz. There had to have been a lot of hush money thrown about. Had to be.

55 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:28pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

Nice jab at 0bama.

You have a point. How much was he paid to hold the release of his book?

56 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:38pm
Khalidi's wife also worked as an English translator for the PLO's press agency, Wafa. So savvy journalists knew that if they wanted the Fatah spin, they could get it from Khalidi.

They'll just call Martin a racist now, right?

57 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:59pm
58 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:48:01pm

re: #51 loppyd

Via Hot Air

DEATH TO 'JOE'

CAUGHT ON TAPE: KGO Talker Wants Ohio Plumber Killed

How progressive.

Is the Secret Service jumping at this one?

...I doubt it...only if a reporter makes it up and if it's at a Palin rally...

59 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:49:12pm

It utterly nauseates me that there are Jews like JTA, "The Forward," Jerusalem Post, who carry 0bama's water for him.

My oldest son, who is registered to vote in Michigan, made the "Great Schlep" from Boston in order to come home and cast his vote for McCain.

60 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:49:21pm

re: #52 yah

Like, yeah, and then some.

Now, that's a bummer!

61 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:49:24pm

re: #49 yah

Nice ...now I take your nick a little more seriously.

Haha thanks with my ribbon rack and four bucks I can buy some coffee at Fourbucks. ahhahahahah!

I'm retired now. Washed up.

62 mattm  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:02pm

I sure this was not the Khalidi Obama knew.

63 exredtory  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:08pm

According to the MSM, it's just low to bring this stuff up.

64 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:19pm

re: #51 loppyd

Via Hot Air

DEATH TO 'JOE'

CAUGHT ON TAPE: KGO Talker Wants Ohio Plumber Killed

How progressive.

"Karel" sounds a little light in the loafers, if you ask me. Whats Charles Karel Bouley gonna do, bludgeon Joe with his purse?

65 SeafoodGumbo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:29pm

Can someone with a HuffPo account let James Zogby know this.

66 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:31pm

re: #61 imploder

Retired, maybe. Washed up? Not here. Salute.

67 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:51:22pm

re: #55 x-wing

Sorry Sharmuta, that was directed at #42 unrealizedveiwpoint

68 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:52:23pm

Rashid Khalidi Was a Terrorist Shill.

News at 11

On Nov 5th.

69 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:52:39pm

re: #40 yah

I kinda don't think McCain is getting the Arab vote anyway.

/in Vegas, the line would be off

70 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:53:18pm

"was a terrorist shill"? How about is a terrorist shill

71 wales  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:53:34pm

On a lighter note new, Obama music video... "Spread the wealth around"

72 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:53:38pm

re: #68 Opinionated

Rashid Khalidi Was a Terrorist Shill.

News at 11

On Nov 5th.

I agree with you,but I beleive it won't start until after the actual inauguration

73 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:54:38pm

What we have with Obama and Ayers are Apex Political Predators.

With this new revelation about bankrupting the coal industry I can clearly see the sadistic tendency to inflict harm on the populace for a greater purpose. Obama does not care how many business are closed, families go bankrupt, dreams are crushed, as long as his political purposes are furthered.

And like other predators we routinely hear about in the news - Ayers has focused on grooming children to manipulate them to cooperate in his own misdeeds. "Kill your parents" - he once said. Now the Obama campaign has encouraged children to goad and irritate their parents and grandparents into voting for him. Is this good for the family relationship? Obama doesn't care because it's all about him.

74 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:54:45pm

re: #53 buzzdroid

i cant see Iraqi , or even Iranian exiles, voting for "the One" , who want to leave Iraq to the mercies of Al Qaeda. and who wants to sit down and have a cup of tea with the Iranian regime...

Good point.

75 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:06pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

I agree with you,but I beleive it won't start until after the actual inauguration

Na. It will never be news.

He's a 'Palestinian". They're never terrorists. They're at worst activists.

76 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:08pm

re: #66 FightingBack

Retired, maybe. Washed up? Not here. Salute.

It's funny, Chris Rock equates McCain being holed up in an enemy hell-hole for five years to doing the heimlich manuever when he was in eighth grade.

People that talk shit like that don't know what American families really do for the country. What sacrafices they make. It's ironic in a time of war that it is forgotten during a campaign like this. I guess the war becomes status quo.

77 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:42pm

My wife and I both work with, and are friends with many Jews here in NYC, orthodox and secular. We are both shocked on a daily basis at the sheer numbers of them who are voting for Obama. They do not believe anything we tell them or ask them to read. I almost think they are trying to prove that they are not racist or something... they hint that we(my wife and I) may be. They have so much to lose in this election and they go quietly to the slaughter. It is baffling.

78 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:56pm

O/T but, I had wondered how John McCain did in Massachusetts during the 2000 presidential primary. There was only a 15k difference or thereabouts between McCain and Gore. I am hoping MAYBE, Massachusetts might go for McCain Tuesday? Call me crazy, but, well, you're right I'm crazy.
MASSACHUSETTS

Primary Election: March 7, 2000

Gore, Al D 341,586
59.77

Bradley, Bill D 212,452
37.17

No Preference D 11,281
1.97

All Others D 4,073
0.71

LaRouche, Lyndon H., Jr. D 2,135
0.37

Total Party Votes:
571,527

McCain, John R 325,297
64.68

Bush, George W. R 159,826
31.78

Keyes, Alan R 12,656
2.52

Bauer, Gary R 1,745
0.35

Forbes, Steve R 1,411
0.28

No Preference R 1,295
0.26

All Others R 440
0.09

Hatch, Orrin R 262
0.05

Total Party Votes:
502,932

Total State Votes:
1,074,459

79 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:10pm

As disturbing as all of 0bama's connections and associations truly are, it seems the most damaging thing about him is ironically the same thing that wooed so many- his own words.

/spread the weath

80 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:11pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Just had an email exchange with another friend of mine who is in the tank for Obama. Also an Orthodox Jew.

I sent him the vid from Joo-tube,

Link please.

81 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:40pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

Er- wealth. PIMF

82 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:52pm

Good evening, lizards.
Back from a quiet weekend of much-needed respite, and ready for whatever comes on election day.

I think.

83 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:54pm

re: #77 surrounded

My wife and I both work with, and are friends with many Jews here in NYC, orthodox and secular. We are both shocked on a daily basis at the sheer numbers of them who are voting for Obama. They do not believe anything we tell them or ask them to read. I almost think they are trying to prove that they are not racist or something... they hint that we(my wife and I) may be. They have so much to lose in this election and they go quietly to the slaughter. It is baffling.

That is very, very sad and illustrative of a people who have lost touch with their survival instincts. There's not much you can do to help them, I'm afraid.

84 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:08pm

re: #77 surrounded

Soap.

85 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:29pm

Looks like Sharmuta has been busy :)

86 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:44pm

re: #54 unrealizedviewpoint

C'mon. The whole freakin' world is clammed-up. Everybody, and I mean everybody is pulling a Sergeant Schultz. There had to have been a lot of hush money thrown about. Had to be.

What is so freaking interesting about all of this? These people are so convinced they are correct in their thinking-so sure of their own positions, when they see something middle America won't agree with? They toss it down the memory hole. Controversial statements made on Chicago NPR? No problem-videos unavailable. Controversial websites or posts? No problem-pulled or altered. Controversial video of a going away dinner? No problem-with hold it for privacy concerns. The list goes on and on and on...

If the Democrats are so flippen proud of their positions, their candidates background, remarks made in the past and present; their own content, then why are they so concerned with burying it?

87 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:59:01pm

re: #79 Sharmuta

As disturbing as all of 0bama's connections and associations truly are, it seems the most damaging thing about him is ironically the same thing that wooed so many- his own words.

/spread the weath

Maybe that's why he is not doing any nterviews till the fifth.

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:59:27pm

re: #75 Opinionated

Na. It will never be news.

He's a 'Palestinian". They're never terrorists. They're at worst activists.

I've been in the broadcast business for almost 25 years. Beleive me, as Obama's policies become more and more unpopular (as you know they will when all those "middle class Americans" he' states he's going to help start getting hammered) the MSM will start pointing to tidbits here and there in the past 12 months asying "See, on such and such a date we DID mention ,,,", leaving out the fact that on every other day they were extolling his virtues

Plausable Deniability

89 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:59:36pm

OT:

I haven't been on here as much as I'd like today. Due to the combined slowdown of LGF and my ISP's slowdown, my cable internet access has become slower than dial-up briefly.

When I finally access my home page, what do I see? A note saying, "We've just made your internet access even faster!" AAARGH!

To be fair, that is obviously what they did, because it is faster. Hmmm, according to Speedtest.net:

Download: 12,921 kb/s
Upload: 3,130 kb/s
Ping: 25 ms
Distance from target server: < 50 miles

Not bad.

90 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:59:44pm

It's pretty clear that the tape was chock full of anti-Israeli rhetoric, what else do "Palestineans" ever get together to talk about?

Do we know how vehement it was? No.

/but we know Lord Numbnuts accepted the invitation and sat through the whole thing, kind of like 20 years of church with Reverend Wright

91 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:59:50pm

re: #78 CapeCoddah

Ssssh.

(I have been thinking the same thing)

92 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:00pm

re: #86 Outrider

What is so freaking interesting about all of this? These people are so convinced they are correct in their thinking-so sure of their own positions, when they see something middle America won't agree with? They toss it down the memory hole. Controversial statements made on Chicago NPR? No problem-videos unavailable. Controversial websites or posts? No problem-pulled or altered. Controversial video of a going away dinner? No problem-with hold it for privacy concerns. The list goes on and on and on...

If the Democrats are so flippen proud of their positions, their candidates background, remarks made in the past and present; their own content, then why are they so concerned with burying it?

To a donk, the end justifies their means.

93 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:25pm

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter.

There is nothing special about yet another left-wing politician in love with the eternal victims - the Palestinians.

94 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:55pm

re: #83 imploder

That is very, very sad and illustrative of a people who have lost touch with their survival instincts. There's not much you can do to help them, I'm afraid.

I sent my brother an article by Thomas Sowel - I included his illustrious biography that included mention of 90 articles in peer review journals. My brother read the article then wrote back: How can you believe this stuff?

I was shocked.

95 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:16pm

re: #83 imploder

That is very, very sad and illustrative of a people who have lost touch with their survival instincts. There's not much you can do to help them, I'm afraid.

The ghost of FRD wreaks havoc on my people. . .

96 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:32pm

re: #93 FrogMarch

And he will have Carter's Congress to help him.

97 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:43pm

re: #93 FrogMarch

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter.

There is nothing special about yet another left-wing politician in love with the eternal victims - the Palestinians.

At least (at the time) Carter was a good and decent man. I don't think Obama is either.

98 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:50pm

re: #78 CapeCoddah

O/T but, I had wondered how John McCain did in Massachusetts during the 2000 presidential primary. There was only a 15k difference or thereabouts between McCain and Gore. I am hoping MAYBE, Massachusetts might go for McCain Tuesday? Call me crazy, but, well, you're right I'm crazy.
MASSACHUSETTS
This morning Jane Swift, former governor of Massachusetts 2001-2003 opened for John McCain GOOD STUFF!

99 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:56pm

re: #91 loppyd

Ssssh.

(I have been thinking the same thing)

Sorry!

100 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:02:12pm

re: #95 DisturbedEma

The ghost of FRD wreaks havoc on my people. . .

FDR. . sorry

101 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:02:23pm

re: #93 FrogMarch

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter.

There is nothing special about yet another left-wing politician in love with the eternal victims - the Palestinians.

If 0bama gets elected, we might as well say, "Welcome Back, Carter"

102 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:02:44pm

re: #94 DistantThunder

I sent my brother an article by Thomas Sowel - I included his illustrious biography that included mention of 90 articles in peer review journals. My brother read the article then wrote back: How can you believe this stuff?

I was shocked.

Complacency is going to get us killed...and in my peer group I am surrounded by it... I've had to take some measures to distance myself from the 'all's well' crowd...

103 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:05pm

re: #77 surrounded

they go quietly to the slaughter

Do me a favour please.
Stick that holocaust metaphor right up your ass.

104 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:09pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

I've been in the broadcast business for almost 25 years. Beleive me, as Obama's policies become more and more unpopular (as you know they will when all those "middle class Americans" he' states he's going to help start getting hammered) the MSM will start pointing to tidbits here and there in the past 12 months asying "See, on such and such a date we DID mention ,,,",

And just as soon as they do, the Obama civilian force he intends to build will come in to take them away.

105 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:10pm
106 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:24pm

re: #97 goddessoftheclassroom

At least (at the time) Carter was a good and decent man. I don't think Obama is either.

I used to think Carter was ok, but clearly he is not. . .his book reveals just how corrupt he is. . .

107 stevieray  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:25pm

re: #73 DistantThunder

What we have with Obama and Ayers are Apex Political Predators.

Nice phrase... "apex political predators". I'm gonna steal that, if you don't mind.

108 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:26pm

re: #101 gmsc

If 0bama gets elected, we might as well say, "Welcome Back, Carter"

We may long for the days of Carter. This could get bad folks. Real bad.

109 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:31pm

re: #78 CapeCoddah

O/T but, I had wondered how John McCain did in Massachusetts during the 2000 presidential primary. There was only a 15k difference or thereabouts between McCain and Gore. I am hoping MAYBE, Massachusetts might go for McCain Tuesday? Call me crazy, but, well, you're right I'm crazy.
MASSACHUSETTS

Primary Election: March 7, 2000

Gore, Al D 341,586
59.77

Bradley, Bill D 212,452
37.17

No Preference D 11,281
1.97

All Others D 4,073
0.71

LaRouche, Lyndon H., Jr. D 2,135
0.37

Total Party Votes:
571,527

McCain, John R 325,297
64.68

Bush, George W. R 159,826
31.78

Keyes, Alan R 12,656
2.52

Bauer, Gary R 1,745
0.35

Forbes, Steve R 1,411
0.28

No Preference R 1,295
0.26

All Others R 440
0.09

Hatch, Orrin R 262
0.05

Total Party Votes:
502,932

Total State Votes:
1,074,459

That's with 70,000 more Democrats voting than Republicans. I hadn't realized the two parties were that close...or put another way-I didn't realize there were that many Republicans voting and so few Democrats in that state. Wish that could be publicized more.

110 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:46pm

re: #98 outsidephilly

ARGHHH, Not Swiftie, I thought they packed her off somewhere safely from well, everyone and everything. Has her husband divorced his first two or three wives yet? Lord, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

111 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:59pm

#94 Distant thunder
I asked my sister a question about Obama's tax policies and she told me to stop sending her my "right wing bullshit". She's voting for Obama for his "wisdom".

112 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:04pm

re: #94 DistantThunder

I sent my brother an article by Thomas Sowel - I included his illustrious biography that included mention of 90 articles in peer review journals. My brother read the article then wrote back: How can you believe this stuff?

I was shocked.

You can only hope there are enough clingy people to cancel them out.

113 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:19pm

re: #96 FightingBack

And he will have Carter's Congress to help him.

Actually, Carter had 60 Senators when he was President (which I would bet Obama will not). It was, fortunately, a Congress that he had zero control over, and that was at war with itself. Otherwise God knows what Carter might have done. Obama will not have that problem if elected. The Dems in Congress think he is to their party what Reagan was to the GOP.

114 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:45pm

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

Do me a favour please.
Stick that holocaust metaphor right up your ass.

Totally understandable, your anger is. . .

115 right_on_target  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:46pm

re: #73 DistantThunder

What we have with Obama and Ayers are Apex Political Predators.
...
And like other predators we routinely hear about in the news - Ayers has focused on grooming children to manipulate them to cooperate in his own misdeeds. "Kill your parents" - he once said. Now the Obama campaign has encouraged children to goad and irritate their parents and grandparents into voting for him. Is this good for the family relationship? Obama doesn't care because it's all about him.


___
Kinder Propaganda that Bill Ayers would love.

116 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:50pm

re: #101 gmsc

If 0bama gets elected, we might as well say, "Welcome Back, Carter"

During Carter we only waited on gas lines. If Obama does has much damage as Socialism can do to the economy, we may be on lines for toilet paper.

117 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:52pm

re: #109 Outrider

I keep telling people there are a lot of conservatives here, but no one believes me!

118 blame canada  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:57pm

re: #70 mahatma coat

In response to your question about my nic in the previous thread, I'm a physician who left Canada b/c of socialized medicine, so I "blame canada"

119 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:04:58pm

currently watching a hagiography of the "One" on RTE (Irish National Broadcaster) The blind fervent belief in him here is simply unbelievable.

120 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:02pm

re: #106 DisturbedEma

I used to think Carter was ok, but clearly he is not. . .his book reveals just how corrupt he is. . .

I tried to express that he came across as a good and decent man. He was a great disappointment.

121 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:03pm

re: #111 surrounded

#94 Distant thunder
I asked my sister a question about Obama's tax policies and she told me to stop sending her my "right wing bullshit". She's voting for Obama for his "wisdom".

RULE (commandment) #1,,,never question the policies of THE ONE

122 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:56pm

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

You're out of line IMO.

123 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:57pm

re: #105 taxfreekiller

It has all been down hill from that point,
and he is 1/2 done with his trip, question is,

DO WE WANT TO BE ON THIS LAST LONG STEP INTO THE ABYSS.

We don't, but they do.

124 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:09pm

Ahh, time to go make nice nice. . .NOT,

bbl

Stay green and sassy, Lizards!

125 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:16pm

re: #110 CapeCoddah

ARGHHH, Not Swiftie, I thought they packed her off somewhere safely from well, everyone and everything. Has her husband divorced his first two or three wives yet? Lord, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

Well, she didn't mention her husband, only, her twins. She was perky and FUNNY! And she is REALLY pumped up for McCain! She got the crowd all fired up!

126 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:18pm

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

You have a ridiculous attitude for someone on a discussion forum. If you don't like metaphors stay off the computer.

127 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:32pm

re: #85 Irish Rose

And I'm not done yet.

Check your email.

128 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:52pm

re: #108 unrealizedviewpoint

We may long for the days of Carter. This could get bad folks. Real bad.

Obama will make Carter look like Reagan.

129 freeus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:57pm

I am not a Jew, and I do care very much about whether or not Israel is protected. No matter what, I will never vote for anyone that was associated with someone to the degree Obama was associated with Ayers and Khalidi et al who want to see the destruction of not only America, but Israel as well.

I do think some Jewish voters are going to change their minds, but if not that is their choice. We are going to save them from Obama and his thugs whether they like it or not. McCain is going to win! Jews in America, and abroad hopefully will live to see another day of freedom, and not the re-education camps Ayers, and the like want to set up for Jews, and any other person on the planet that does not agree with THE ONE.

The point of the Khalidi association is also not specifically to convince Jewish voters either. In case you have not noticed all those under Obama's bus, and all those that live in his neighborhood are extremely anti-American, and in turn anti-Israel. What do these two nations have in common other than God? Democracy. So, to me, what I have taken from the radical, Israel hating, America hating associates of Obama is that they hate anyone who loves freedom, capitalism and democracy. Look at how Obama regarded the invasion of Georgia, and the placement of the missile defense programs in former Soviet block countries! It was not just because Jews might live there, but it is via his connections and influences of those who like Putin, Chavez, Castro, Imadinnerjacket, Kim Jon Il, etc. and those people are just like Khalidi and Ayers. Does he have any associations or associates that are not anti-American or anti-Israel? I have not seen any to date.

130 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:59pm

re: #119 mahatma coat

currently watching a hagiography of the "One" on RTE (Irish National Broadcaster) The blind fervent belief in him here is simply unbelievable.

I was in my ancesteral homeland a month or so ago, and while I was smitten with it, it's still a part of Europe, no doubt about it.

131 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:07:04pm

re: #101 gmsc

If 0bama gets elected, we might as well say, "Welcome Back, Carter"

Exactly! thanks - that's a keeper.

132 TXNavy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:07:30pm

And meanwhile, the only job Obama held that appears benign, turns out, its not...

Business International's ties to the SDSYour text to link...

133 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:07:33pm

re: #114 DisturbedEma

Totally understandable, your anger is. . .

Sometimes one needs hit someone who can't hear directly square between the eyes. And that did.

134 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:07:44pm

re: #120 goddessoftheclassroom

I tried to express that he came across as a good and decent man. He was a great disappointment.

I was kind of agreeing with ya

135 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:05pm

Schadenfreude: Watching The One's blindly adoring followers having to eat their own crap during the last three years of His reign.

136 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:14pm

This morning FOX had a weird report about black people worrying, regardless of the election results.

If 0bama loses, they worry there will be riots. If 0bama wins, they'll worry that he'll get shot, just like other prominent black leaders.

If someone is going to worry about something regardless of an outcome, could you just start worrying about all the stuff around your own house that can kill you accidentally? At least that makes more sense.

137 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:25pm

re: #77 surrounded

My wife and I both work with, and are friends with many Jews here in NYC, orthodox and secular. We are both shocked on a daily basis at the sheer numbers of them who are voting for Obama. They do not believe anything we tell them or ask them to read. I almost think they are trying to prove that they are not racist or something... they hint that we(my wife and I) may be. They have so much to lose in this election and they go quietly to the slaughter. It is baffling.

Jews are not going to determine this race.

I, a Jew, am going to blame the millions and millions of idiot Gentiles who voted in Obama.

138 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:26pm

re: #105 taxfreekiller

DO WE WANT TO BE ON THIS LAST LONG STEP INTO THE ABYSS.

/what, are you nuts?

139 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:45pm
140 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:47pm
141 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:48pm

dinner is served...BBL

142 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:00pm

re: #46 buzzdroid

GOP to burn Obama on coal
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

automated calls in PA... playing Obama's own words on the coal industry.

Freakin' awesome. How about Ohio too?

143 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:23pm

re: #59 Alouette

My oldest son, who is registered to vote in Michigan, made the "Great Schlep" from Boston in order to come home and cast his vote for McCain.

Thank him for us. It's efforts like this that can save the world.

144 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:33pm

re: #129 freeus

I am not a Jew, and I do care very much about whether or not Israel is protected. No matter what, I will never vote for anyone that was associated with someone to the degree Obama was associated with Ayers and Khalidi et al who want to see the destruction of not only America, but Israel as well.

I do think some Jewish voters are going to change their minds, but if not that is their choice. We are going to save them from Obama and his thugs whether they like it or not. McCain is going to win! Jews in America, and abroad hopefully will live to see another day of freedom, and not the re-education camps Ayers, and the like want to set up for Jews, and any other person on the planet that does not agree with THE ONE.

The point of the Khalidi association is also not specifically to convince Jewish voters either. In case you have not noticed all those under Obama's bus, and all those that live in his neighborhood are extremely anti-American, and in turn anti-Israel. What do these two nations have in common other than God? Democracy. So, to me, what I have taken from the radical, Israel hating, America hating associates of Obama is that they hate anyone who loves freedom, capitalism and democracy. Look at how Obama regarded the invasion of Georgia, and the placement of the missile defense programs in former Soviet block countries! It was not just because Jews might live there, but it is via his connections and influences of those who like Putin, Chavez, Castro, Imadinnerjacket, Kim Jon Il, etc. and those people are just like Khalidi and Ayers. Does he have any associations or associates that are not anti-American or anti-Israel? I have not seen any to date.

Fucking A. Bears repeating. It's ironic that the evangelicals in (insert random southern state here) are more worried about the fate of Israel than some of the Jewish people that live in NYC.

145 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:45pm
146 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:18pm

I'd like to know more about Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour and Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal. Is this the money trail for his Harvard tuition?

147 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #136 gmsc

This morning FOX had a weird report about black people worrying, regardless of the election results.

If 0bama loses, they worry there will be riots. If 0bama wins, they'll worry that he'll get shot, just like other prominent black leaders.

If someone is going to worry about something regardless of an outcome, could you just start worrying about all the stuff around your own house that can kill you accidentally? At least that makes more sense.

Ya know, they are so ridiculous!

148 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:33pm

re: #137 Opinionated

Jews are not going to determine this race.

I, a Jew, am going to blame the millions and millions of idiot Gentiles who voted in Obama.

Great point. Ceded.

149 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:51pm

re: #111 surrounded

#94 Distant thunder
I asked my sister a question about Obama's tax policies and she told me to stop sending her my "right wing bullshit". She's voting for Obama for his "wisdom".

Ask her what wise things has he done.

150 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:09pm

Hey, TCM has "All the Presidents' Men" on tonight. Might be good practice for a potential O. administration to watch.

151 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:10pm

re: #125 outsidephilly

Well, I am glad that she did SOMETING right, but, she could be political suicide. One of the most inept Governors we have ever had, Democrat or Republican. They really should stay well away from Jane Swift. If I remember correctly, one of the scandals was that she had state house staffers babysitting those twins. Her husband is a serial marrier, who dosen't bother with pesky things like divorce before he re-marries, he was also perpetually unemployed. She was none too bright, did not know he was already married when she married him. It was a mess.

152 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:26pm

re: #118 blame canada

In response to your question about my nic in the previous thread, I'm a physician who left Canada b/c of socialized medicine, so I "blame canada"

You poor thing. Now you have to worry about facing that here.

And welcome to the US.

153 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:29pm

re: #118 blame canada
I ran screaming from the left coast in 97 ...hypocritical fiberal socialist policies were driving me round the bend

154 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:35pm

re: #117 CapeCoddah

I keep telling people there are a lot of conservatives here, but no one believes me!

As i said the other night, my family (and extended family) is on the South Shore. To my knowledge there isn't a single moonbat among them. My nephew married a Democrat, but over the last few years she has come around. I also know many soldiers that got out or retired up there and most of them were conservative (assume most still are)
I had no idea of the numbers you showed though. Great!

But again, I wish they would get together somehow. Conservatives anonymous? ;-)>

155 Spider Mensch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:45pm

so when senator goverment loses..will these obamanots, who we thought had some degree of common sense before this election, remain law abiding citizens? or do they jump on the "stick to the man! break windows and throw things" crowd? if your normally law abiding democrat family member or friend calls on Novemeber 5th to post bail for them..do you go?..hmmmhmmm..I'll think that over at the time, maye let them stew in the hoosegow for awhile...lol

156 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:49pm

re: #149 Alouette

Ask her what wise things has he done.

The only wise thing he will ever do is resign the Presidency in 2011.

157 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:57pm

At this point, I question the judgement of anyone associated with Obama.

158 welshgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:59pm

re: #1 imploder

Obama knows that we know that he knows.

And now we know what was in the tape held by the LAT. Again, water runs downhill and investigation has flushed out the truth. Keep your damn tape, LAT, we don't need it! LOL

159 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:22pm

re: #130 imploder

I was in my ancesteral homeland a month or so ago, and while I was smitten with it, it's still a part of Europe, no doubt about it.

Where is that, if you don't mind me asking.

160 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:37pm

re: #137 Opinionated

Jews are not going to determine this race.

I, a Jew, am going to blame the millions and millions of idiot Gentiles who voted in Obama.

But, somehow, someway, when Obama's near done, they'll blame the Joos.

161 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:59pm

Remember, don't walk or drive yourself to the polls on Tuesday.

/call your local Obama headquarters, make them give you a ride

162 Florida Lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:19pm

re: #117 CapeCoddah

I keep telling people there are a lot of conservatives here, but no one believes me!

My 3 sisters, who've lived in Boston's Back Bay since 1996, also say there are more conservatives in Boston than you'd think.

163 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:22pm

re: #93 FrogMarch

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter.

There is nothing special about yet another left-wing politician in love with the eternal victims - the Palestinians.

In conversations with people, I have referred to him as Jimmy Carter on steroids. I think he'd make Carter look like a half-way decent president, and that would be an amazing accomplishment.

164 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:10pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

Here you go: The Jewish Case Against Voting for Barack Obama.

Thanks ...

165 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:13pm

re: #159 x-wing

Where is that, if you don't mind me asking.

Ireland. I'm half that, and half Alsatian (France). With probably some German in there somewhere. My Alsatian ancestors spoke German. I live only 80 kilometers from the town that my forebears immigrated from. I've been there a few times to look around.

166 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:17pm

re: #119 mahatma coat

currently watching a hagiography of the "One" on RTE (Irish National Broadcaster) The blind fervent belief in him here is simply unbelievable.

i have a bet with my irish parents that mccain will win.
they are so pro-obama its unbelievable.. (thats the MSM for you..)


100 quid wager.

i hope to god i'm right.

167 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:19pm

My student-teacher asked me if I'd mind if she was a little late Tuesday morning because she wants to stop to vote on the way to school. I told her that it wasn't a problem at all.

/of course, it helps that I know she's a McCain supporter!

168 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:35pm

re: #137 Opinionated

I don't suggest that Jews will decide the outcome of the election. I only state that I am baffled by their willfull blindness to Obamas(who swears he will protect Israels' sovereign borders) associations with anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers. I did not intend my comment as a holocaust metaphor although in hindsight it does appear to have been one. I do defend it though. Anyone who doesn't like it can move to Cuba where speech is controlled.

169 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:59pm

I think that should be emmigrated.

170 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:00pm

re: #160 unrealizedviewpoint

But, somehow, someway, when Obama's near done, they'll blame the Joos.

With all the "change", some things never change.

171 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:07pm

re: #154 Outrider

I wish someone would do something, I would go to the meetings. We have conservatives, we just cannot get them motivated here. It is psychological, I think.

172 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:29pm

re: #15 imploder

Wow, that's a damning article about Kahlidi, really damning.

The MSM should be absolutely despondent over their failings in vetting Barack Obama. They did not inform or report about Obama's fellow travelers. They played along because they have an axe to grind.

This isn't partisan bickering, the freaking evidence is overwhelming and Obama supporters can't do much more than brush it off. Holy shit.

I plan on holding the MSM and Obama supporters' feet to the fire when all this comes out after the election.

"You voted for this, you wanted this, this is on you--own it."

I get the feeling I'll be saying that a lot over the next four years.

173 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:45pm

re: #162 Florida Lady

My 3 sisters, who've lived in Boston's Back Bay since 1996, also say there are more conservatives in Boston than you'd think.

And they would be correct!

174 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:50pm
175 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:56pm

re: #151 CapeCoddah

Well, I am glad that she did SOMETING right, but, she could be political suicide. One of the most inept Governors we have ever had, Democrat or Republican. They really should stay well away from Jane Swift. If I remember correctly, one of the scandals was that she had state house staffers babysitting those twins. Her husband is a serial marrier, who dosen't bother with pesky things like divorce before he re-marries, he was also perpetually unemployed. She was none too bright, did not know he was already married when she married him. It was a mess.

No, I didn't know all of that . . . , ya know how 'love is blind' YEEECH

176 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:11pm

re: #167 goddessoftheclassroom

My student-teacher asked me if I'd mind if she was a little late Tuesday morning because she wants to stop to vote on the way to school. I told her that it wasn't a problem at all.

/of course, it helps that I know she's a McCain supporter!

See Killian's #161

177 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:20pm
178 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:36pm

re: #172 alexknyc

I plan on holding the MSM and Obama supporters' feet to the fire when all this comes out after the election.

"You voted for this, you wanted this, this is on you--own it."

I get the feeling I'll be saying that a lot over the next four years.

I think you might be counting some un-hatched chickens.

179 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:15pm

re: #161 Killian Bundy

Remember, don't walk or drive yourself to the polls on Tuesday.

/call your local Obama headquarters, make them give you a ride

Funny you should mention that. my mother (lives about 15 miles from her polling place) says she's going to do just that. Then, when they arrive at the place, she's going to tell them she forgot her ID. When they get back to her house, she's telling them that she left it over my sisters house (about 20 miles on the OPPOSITE side of the polling place) Get to sis's house, have them then take her to the polls and then back to her house. Total trip, about 100 miles.

Heres the REAL great thing. Mom voted last week!

180 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:33pm

re: #178 imploder

Seriously! I am hoping we get to say "Whew! That was close (or not) and we saved you from yourselves!"

181 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:57pm

OT:

Obama draws crowd of 80,000 in Cleveland
(Oh, you mean there was a Springsteen concert?)


Renowned for his gritty parables of American working-class life, Springsteen objected bitterly to Republican president Ronald Reagan's use of his anthem "Born in the USA" at 1980s campaign rallies.
The song is actually an angry denunciation of society's treatment of returning Vietnam War veterans.

How many Obama supporters treat returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans in a similar fashion?

182 buckykat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:00pm

re: #113 arethusa

Blue dog democrats are some consolation: ...a number of potential Democratic newcomers have been running well to the right of their party's leader, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco). Competing in traditional GOP strongholds, many are campaigning on pledges of fiscal discipline, gun rights and "family values."
If elected, they could pose a problem to party leaders at a time when Democrats hope to gain control of both chambers of Congress and the presidency for the first time since 1994.

183 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:04pm

re: #137 Opinionated
I hope you rethink that.

184 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:34pm

re: #180 ArmyWife

Seriously! I am hoping we get to say "Whew! That was close (or not) and we saved you from yourselves!"

If Obama wins, I fear a hoof-tax. ;)

185 dammad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:56pm

Well, I'm officially depressed. Brit Hume basically said Obama has it. I know, I know, only after the election will we know...but i think Brit is a really smart guy not prone to throwing out assumptions. Time to drink!

186 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:56pm

re: #47 outsidephilly

. . . , like, do you think they are registered to vote?

Of course. Doesn't ACORN have an office in Gaza?

187 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:06pm

re: #175 outsidephilly

Yeeech is right.

188 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:14pm

re: #94 DistantThunder

I sent my brother an article by Thomas Sowel - I included his illustrious biography that included mention of 90 articles in peer review journals. My brother read the article then wrote back: How can you believe this stuff?

I was shocked.

It's amazing that people who used to be rational have turned into dolts.

189 soniq95  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:21pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

Director of the Palestinian press agency, but not a spokesman- oh-kaaay.

The Ministry of Truth lives!

More like Baghdad Bob lives :-)

190 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:31pm

re: #174 taxfreekiller

They go to the tax man's use and no more
after a time like that and once the redistribution
is done, then other means come into play,
talk plain now, so the last not so nice thing never comes around.

like that ok?

You're barking to the choir.

/then again, so am I

191 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:40pm

re: #168 surrounded

I don't suggest that Jews will decide the outcome of the election. I only state that I am baffled by their willfull blindness to Obamas(who swears he will protect Israels' sovereign borders) associations with anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers. I did not intend my comment as a holocaust metaphor although in hindsight it does appear to have been one. I do defend it though. Anyone who doesn't like it can move to Cuba where speech is controlled.

always an option if one cannot control their own I suppose...it's not about free speech it's about the sensitivities of others...that's all

192 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:43pm
193 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:47pm

re: #185 dammad

Well, I'm officially depressed. Brit Hume basically said Obama has it. I know, I know, only after the election will we know...but i think Brit is a really smart guy not prone to throwing out assumptions. Time to drink!

Does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody really care (about time)?

194 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:09pm

10 Million liberal-left Americans have been LED to this water.

They're hip-deep in the water.

Some are on tip-toes so as not to DROWN in this water...

But we CANNOT MAKE THEM DRINK!

195 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:18pm

re: #114 DisturbedEma

Totally understandable, your anger is. . .

You have no idea how angry that makes me as a child of a holocaust survivor.
The image of my mother's parents and siblings being loaded into the cattlecars should not be used in this cheap partisan fashion.
It is just too hateful and ugly for words.
Those who conjure this image are the ones who are out of line.
Think about it.

196 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:38pm

re: #97 goddessoftheclassroom

At least (at the time) Carter was a good and decent man. I don't think Obama is either.

I don't understand what turned Carter into the slime he is now.

197 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:53pm

re: #192 taxfreekiller

#138
Yes, life long.

Independents do read this blog.
Make them think.

One can't read this for long and stay independent. Not possible.

198 soniq95  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:05pm

re: #26 Who Watches the Watchmen?

After Obama proves himself to be a Marxist dictator, can the military decide he's unfit for command and commandeer Air Force One, offering him a choice between Guantanamo Bay and Nairobi?

What would be funny would be if he were denied a security clearance

199 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:06pm
200 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:21pm

Is any of this getting through to the loons on the left?

1. Rashid here is just the type of terrorist the left can (sort of) recognize as an Osama Bin Laden type (stereotyping, but whatever) versus Ayers who is professorial.

2. The audio of bankrupting Coal (Unions? Where are you?)

3. Changing behaviors through Price Signals

4. Energy costs skyrocketing and Obama lovin' it The Dems were flipping about gas prices, why isn't this hitting home?

5. Spread the wealth, here. Spread the wealth there. Spread the wealth all over the damn place.

6. Joe Biden.

201 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:28pm

re: #144 imploder

It's ironic that the evangelicals in (insert random southern state here) are more worried about the fate of Israel than some of the Jewish people that live in NYC.

Yeah - They are still worried about evangelicals. They think it's 14th century Europe or something; or the KKK worries them more than radical Muslims.

202 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:32pm

re: #196 debutaunt

I don't understand what turned Carter into the slime he is now.

Yeah, as you get older you're supposed to be, "more statesmanlike." This certainly isn't the case for Jimmuh...

203 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:00pm

re: #194 Karridine

10 Million liberal-left Americans have been LED to this water.

They're hip-deep in the water.

Some are on tip-toes so as not to DROWN in this water...

But we CANNOT MAKE THEM DRINK!

Hi Kar,

We can intubate them and pour it down their gnarled little throats.

204 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:03pm

re: #196 debutaunt

He has no need to hide it anymore.

205 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:13pm

re: #168 surrounded

I don't suggest that Jews will decide the outcome of the election. I only state that I am baffled by their willfull blindness to Obamas(who swears he will protect Israels' sovereign borders) associations with anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers. I did not intend my comment as a holocaust metaphor although in hindsight it does appear to have been one. I do defend it though. Anyone who doesn't like it can move to Cuba where speech is controlled.

This election is not about Israel. First and foremost Obama is going to do tremendous damage to the United States.

So why don't Protestants in Minnesota and Catholics in Pennsylvania and everyone else, including Jews, understand that simple fact.

I've seen sentiments like yours much too much.

This isn't about how Jews will vote. If some Jews are blind to Obama, they are minuscule compared to the non Jews who support and adore him and who in their millions are bringing tragedy to us all- Jew and Gentile alike.

206 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:16pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Funny you should mention that. my mother (lives about 15 miles from her polling place) says she's going to do just that. Then, when they arrive at the place, she's going to tell them she forgot her ID. When they get back to her house, she's telling them that she left it over my sisters house (about 20 miles on the OPPOSITE side of the polling place) Get to sis's house, have them then take her to the polls and then back to her house. Total trip, about 100 miles.

Heres the REAL great thing. Mom voted last week!

/all part of the election day ground game, at least one less obamatard getting chauffeured

207 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:41pm

re: #191 albusteve

There is no more staunch a defender of Israel or the Jewish people than I. If my brief paragraph offended anyone, then I would suggest that they probably spend too much time being offended.

208 bosforus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:03pm

The thing is, if Obama's elected, we'll continue to pound the issue while they'll likely drop it since their ultimate goal will have been reached. When it comes up again, we'll have the upper hand.

209 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #200 ArmyWife

As we get closer to Election Day, and Obama feels more sure about his victory (wrongly), he is revealing more of his socialistic agenda.

The man is a fraud.

210 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:18pm

re: #181 solomonpanting
II always find this Springsteen -working class connection hilarious.He's lived in rock 'in Roll La La Land since the early seventies and has as much to do with the working class as Paris Hilton

211 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:23pm

re: #196 debutaunt

I don't understand what turned Carter into the slime he is now.

His own inadequacies during the Iran hostage crises (and it being cleaned up in a nano-second with the spectrum of Reagan looming) made him a bitter man IMHO

212 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:42pm

Something that really pisses me off this election ...

Blacks are registering big numbers for this election because a black man is running for president ...So what they are basically admitting is that they really didn't give a crap what happened in their country until now ...

Goes right to the statement MEchelle made about "for the first time I am proud of my country" ...

F*ck these people ...and I don't care if that sounds racist ...if they didn't care enough to get their friggin asses out and vote before I don't really give a flying flip about them now...my parents raised me to love, honor and respect this country regardless of who was in the White House ...my brothers and sisters and I voted in every election no matter what the chances of our party winning ...

They have shown their true feelings for this country if they will only get involved in the process if one of "their own" as they perceive it is in the race for the White House ...

I remember Kayne West saying George Bush did not care about black people ...well we now see how many blacks did not care enough about their country to even vote prior to this election ... Pathetic

213 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:44pm

re: #165 imploder

Sorry, I must have brain lock, but where do you live now? You used kilometers so I'm guessing it's not the USA.

My ancesters all came from Germany. I spent two years their in the Military. It was nice, but I wouldn't want to live there.

214 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:51pm

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

You have no idea how angry that makes me as a child of a holocaust survivor.
The image of my mother's parents and siblings being loaded into the cattlecars should not be used in this cheap partisan fashion.
It is just too hateful and ugly for words.
Those who conjure this image are the ones who are out of line.
Think about it.

We all are so sorry for your loss and the burden of remembering you need endure. No cheap partisan attack was made by the poster. The message he/she was attempting to say was - Never Again.

215 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:55pm
216 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:55pm

re: #206 Killian Bundy

/all part of the election day ground game, at least one less obamatard getting chauffeured

Mom always nice a nice day long car ride !

217 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:23:59pm

Damn... just catching up on the news re: Robert Spencer.

What a terrible disappointment.

218 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:09pm

re: #208 bosforus

His election is not their ultimate goal.

219 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:26pm

re: #171 CapeCoddah

I wish someone would do something, I would go to the meetings. We have conservatives, we just cannot get them motivated here. It is psychological, I think.

They do seem to have a violent streak. Especially on that South East Expressway. Dad is convinced they target his car in particular because of the stickers. I'm just as convinced they all just drive nuts and there is nothing personal-just the contrary.

220 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:27pm

re: #181 solomonpanting

OT:

Obama draws crowd of 80,000 in Cleveland
(Oh, you mean there was a Springsteen concert?)

Legendary US rocker Bruce Springsteen wowed a crowd of 80,000 with a rousing set at a rally for Democrat Barack Obama here Sunday on the White House campaign's final stretch.

Obama took the stage with his wife Michelle and two young daughters when Springsteen was done, and said there were "a handful of people who enter into your lives through their music and tell the American people's story."

"Bruce Springsteen is one of those people," he said,

221 Spider Mensch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:32pm

re: #161 Killian Bundy

Remember, don't walk or drive yourself to the polls on Tuesday.

/call your local Obama headquarters, make them give you a ride

I feel a Bart Simpson day comming..,
Me (muffled): can you pick me up on Watt street?
Obamanot:What Street?
me:yes thats right, Watt street...
obamanot: wait sir, now what street was that?
me: yes, that is correct...Watt street..
obamanot: sir what street are you on?
me: that's right..I'llsee you in a few minutes..
obamanot: where? which street
me: Watt street . yes, of course..
on, and on, and on, and on ad infinite..

Muwahahahahaha!

/actually its an old Little Rascal gag

222 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:37pm

re: #206 Killian Bundy

re: #216 sattv4u2

Mom always nice LIKED a nice day long car ride !

PIMF

223 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:00pm

re: #212 JacksonTn

Free gas...no mortgage... I might vote the dude...

///

224 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:01pm
225 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:17pm

re: #137 Opinionated

WTF?

226 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:44pm

re: #212 JacksonTn

Blacks were highly motivated in the last election too, but not as much as this one.

BUT ... even with an 80 percent turn out, they'll only increase Obama's numbers by ONE percent.

This could be the difference, though.

227 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:48pm

Pet Peeve -

For what it is worth, Rashid Khalidi is an excellent propagandist, for what I believe to be The Wrong Side. WTF is going on with OUR side? Evangelical Christians are with us through their beliefs as are many Catholics. That is not enough to win a "hearts & minds"/propaganda battle. What about the vast secular "Pop-Culture." What do we do to earn their neutrality if not their allegiance. Palestinian Propaganda speaks of a "genocide" - would that Hitler and the Third Reich gave the Jewish People such a "genocide." Six Million would have become about Eighteen Million and be living in an Autonomous East Prussia(stan) - with access to German Medicine, German Technology, German Education, and German Employment. That is the reality of "Israel/Palestine." The question is - who can, EFFECTIVELY, deliver the message. My vote would be for a Transsexual Female, Ethiopian, Lesbian Jew as hot as Caroline Cossey. All bases on "the left" covered. Now What, World?

-S-

228 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:48pm

re: #137 Opinionated

idiot(s) Gentiles That's a bit more accurate, eh?

229 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:49pm

re: #150 arethusa

Hey, TCM has "All the Presidents' Men" on tonight. Might be good practice for a potential O. administration to watch.

I remember once watching "All The President's Men" and "Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium" back-to-back, and thinking how weird it was that Dustin Hoffman was in both movies.

230 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:17pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Funny you should mention that. my mother (lives about 15 miles from her polling place) says she's going to do just that. Then, when they arrive at the place, she's going to tell them she forgot her ID. When they get back to her house, she's telling them that she left it over my sisters house (about 20 miles on the OPPOSITE side of the polling place) Get to sis's house, have them then take her to the polls and then back to her house. Total trip, about 100 miles.

Heres the REAL great thing. Mom voted last week!

your mom is totally awesome!

231 MJBrutus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:35pm

Comrades, comrades. Who are we to question our betters? Dear leader has told us what we need to know. So why can't some of you be satisfied? Why must we probe and practice this politics of division? Can't we all just get along?

/sarc

232 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:51pm

re: #225 MandyManners

WTF?

It was sarcasm in response to a too often repeated idiotic assertion. Rest the rest.

233 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:11pm

re: #232 Opinionated

It was sarcasm in response to a too often repeated idiotic assertion. Read the rest.

234 bosforus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:34pm

re: #218 FightingBack

His election is not their ultimate goal.

Gosh darn it, you're right.

235 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:42pm

re: #219 Outrider

No, the driving game is not political, it is the survival of the fittest!

236 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:54pm

re: #203 hermeneutics

Eeeeww...

/I like your style! :D
Hold their heads under til they gasp for air?
IF (big if) IF Nobama steals the election, they'll have an opportunity to drink more of Obama's Kool-Aid, while standing in lines, day in, day out... grumbling...

237 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:56pm

re: #135 SurferDoc

Schadenfreude: Watching The One's blindly adoring followers having to eat their own crap during the last three years of His reign.

I plan on holding them accountable.

I will not be shy about remembering their vote and reminding them when things go bad.

238 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:57pm

I dont see any irony that the LA times have come out with this. While they sit on the tape that implicates the O with Khalidi, they can say what like about him. Khalidi is not the issue. The issue is, Does BHO support (and toast) Khalidi, what he does, and what he stands for?

If the LAT can hide that association before the election it is "Mission Accomplished"

{bastards}

239 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:58pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Funny you should mention that. my mother (lives about 15 miles from her polling place) says she's going to do just that. Then, when they arrive at the place, she's going to tell them she forgot her ID. When they get back to her house, she's telling them that she left it over my sisters house (about 20 miles on the OPPOSITE side of the polling place) Get to sis's house, have them then take her to the polls and then back to her house. Total trip, about 100 miles.

Heres the REAL great thing. Mom voted last week!


ROTFLMAO. Beer all over the moniter. That was worth it though.

240 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:28:07pm

re: #226 hermeneutics

Blacks were highly motivated in the last election too, but not as much as this one.

BUT ... even with an 80 percent turn out, they'll only increase Obama's numbers by ONE percent.

This could be the difference, though.

There is no way Obama could be even close to 15% if the USA was racist. Now that he is close to even 49-51 percent this is a complete dose of reality that America isn't racist.

/Thought anything less than 100% will be looked at as racist by the MSM

241 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:28:39pm

re: #181 solomonpanting

The Dems hate the military, make no mistake about it. Its very hard to hear my husband is a murderer, nothing more. Obama saying they kill innocent civilians. My husband held a 3 year old Iraqi boy while he died thanks to a suicide bomber. What do you think that does to a person? Are you man enough to do this O? But yeah, he is the killer, not the F that strapped the bomb on. This is the one thing I tend to really lose my cool with in conversations. My face is getting red as I type this even. Its too close to home. I have to count to 10 multiple times. Now, I remember all the thank yous we get, and the Iraqi at the Subway down the street who feeds my "Killer" for free.

242 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:28:44pm

Well, win or lose, I won't quit on America like the stars who claim they will move to Europe or Canada but never do.

If the system elects Barack Obama, then it does. I might not agree with it, but I will work mightily elect the next president who might not be so disagreeable.

What else is there to do? Anyway, until the election is over, I'm not like Brit Hume, I can't call a winner until America votes.

So much crazy shit has happened in 2008, the stock market has set volume selling and buying records, all in the same year, unprecedented, actually. I think the ball is hard to call, I really do.

For as hard as the media is selling the inevitability of Barack Obama, I don't think it rings true. We'll see very soon.

243 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:15pm

re: #150 arethusa

Hey, TCM has "All the Presidents' Men" on tonight. Might be good practice for a potential O. administration to watch.

I can just picture the entire MSM staying up for a good wank while watching this one.They now see bringing down American Governments as their job

244 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:17pm

re: #232 Opinionated

what assertion might that be?

245 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:21pm

Excellent clouds over the San Gabriel Mountains of California; Look soon. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."

— Thomas Merton.

See you all tomorrow.

246 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:41pm

re: #245 Ojoe

Nice.

247 bosforus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:42pm

re: #242 imploder

The 4 year fight begins November 5th. No matter who wins.

248 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:23pm

re: #228 legalpad

idiot(s) Gentiles That's a bit more accurate, eh?

Idiots of all ethnicities, all religions, and both genders - yep. In other words, Americans.

249 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:26pm

re: #230 outsidephilly

re: #239 x-wing

Mom likes to go into places (she calls them frou frou places) like Whole Foods, goes to the fish dept, and asks if they have Tuna Free Dolphin

250 chukardog  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:41pm

The latest IBD/TIPP poll has been released today - and it has John McCain statistically tied with Barack Obama! And Neal Cavuto has just reported that the PEW poll has McCain ahead by 1% among likely voters!

Sweet! I feel like Chairman Zero may be in for a big let down on tuesday.

251 MJBrutus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:53pm

re: #137 Opinionated

Jews are not going to determine this race.

I, a Jew, am going to blame the millions and millions of idiot Gentiles who voted in Obama.

Blame who you want, but PA would be a lock for McCain if our fellow tribesman would wake up and smell the Felafals. NY and NJ would be in play as well. Jews are important to our country and to this election. And sadly, too used to mindlessly pulling the lever with the D on it.

252 Jimmah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:56pm

re: #196 debutaunt

I don't understand what turned Carter into the slime he is now.

I think it's the gradual warping caused by that little voice at the back of his head that whispers "You're a failure, Carter. Admit it - you know it. This is your conscience"

253 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:24pm
254 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:25pm
MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
255 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:29pm
256 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:31pm
257 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:41pm

re: #244 surrounded

what assertion might that be?

That somehow Jews should be singled out because they should know better.

In this election, with what is out there, everyone should know better then to vote for Obama.

258 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:53pm

Can someone get a "legit" article about how Republicans give more to charities than Democrats?

I sent this one to a friend, and apparently it's not good enough for him.

Not Good Enough For A Liberal

259 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:55pm

re: #242 imploderFor as hard as the media is selling the inevitability of Barack Obama, I don't think it rings true.

Yeah! The media may have some vested interest.
But I'm not sure.
/

260 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:20pm

re: #213 x-wing

Sorry, I must have brain lock, but where do you live now? You used kilometers so I'm guessing it's not the USA.

My ancesters all came from Germany. I spent two years their in the Military. It was nice, but I wouldn't want to live there.

I live in Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany (in the south).

I've been here two years and I think I may have two years more. I love living here. Then again, I don't pay the taxes my neighbors pay.

261 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:46pm

re: #251 MJBrutus

Blame who you want, but PA would be a lock for McCain if our fellow tribesman would wake up and smell the Felafals. NY and NJ would be in play as well. Jews are important to our country and to this election. And sadly, too used to mindlessly pulling the lever with the D on it.

And if every pro-life Catholic voted McCain, he would win in an electoral collage landslide.

262 outsidephilly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:48pm

re: #185 dammad

Well, I'm officially depressed. Brit Hume basically said Obama has it. I know, I know, only after the election will we know...but i think Brit is a really smart guy not prone to throwing out assumptions. Time to drink!

aaahhh, what does Brit know . . . , he wasn't at the rally this morning in PA!
We are SO for McCain in PA, and that's THAT! - SO THERE

263 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:02pm

re: #259 unrealizedviewpoint

The media may think they are immune from an economic meltdown, but the media would be an ass to believe it.

264 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:28pm
265 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:30pm

re: #178 imploder

I think you might be counting some un-hatched chickens.

I hope I am.

266 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:11pm

Funny, the media is spitting out "I think Obama has it.."

Everyone I speak with, "I voted for McCain.."

My group is quite small and selected, but it gives me 'hope'.

/Now if we can just keep McCain from his love affair with the Dem's once he's elected...

267 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:22pm

re: #263 jaunte

The media may think they are immune from an economic meltdown, but the media would be an ass to believe it.

They've been in a meltdown. They obviously don't care.

268 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:33pm

Good evening, lizards. Someone I didn't think was going to vote for McCain told me this evening that she would. Reason: she doesn't like One Party Rule. She wasn't going to vote for Hillary, either, because she doesn't like dynasties.

Now that's "change" I can applaud, all round.

269 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:44pm

I really think Mac will win.

270 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:49pm

re: #261 Opinionated
pro-life Cathilic ought to be a redundant phrase

271 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:51pm

What I would like to have seen would have been a big press conference with Rudy Giuliani, Joe Lieberman, Fred Thompson - every high profile Republican and Independent/ex-Democrat who's been campaigning for our side - demanding that the L.A. Times release the tape, in the "off chance" (likely chance, but they wouldn't say that) that there is information in it that would be important to voters.

I think that would have gotten noticed, and the L.A. Times might have had to give in had there been the outcry that I think may have followed.

272 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:07pm

re: #270 mahatma coat

pro-life Cathilic ought to be a redundant phrase

Absolutely.

273 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:08pm

re: #163 capitalist piglet

Damn, those must be some frakked-up steroids!

274 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:16pm
275 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:35pm
276 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:41pm

re: #210 mahatma coat

re: #220 MandyManners

I wonder which of Springsteen's songs resonates with Obama, "Brilliant Disguise"?

277 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:42pm

re: #257 Opinionated

If you read my posts(more carefully), you would note that I said the same of my sister. I did not "single out" Jews. It was in the context of Anti-semitism. Relax.

278 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:42pm

Time for bed, g'night alles.

279 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:50pm

Hey, tune into 60 minutes. Katie Couric is pretending to be a criminal defense attorney.

/nevemind, it's over

280 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:52pm

re: #266 Oh no...Sand People!

Funny, the media is spitting out "I think Obama has it.."

Everyone I speak with, "I voted for McCain.."

My group is quite small and selected, but it gives me 'hope'.

/Now if we can just keep McCain from his love affair with the Dem's once he's elected...

I don't give a rats ass if he freench kisses Harry Reid during the inauguration, As long as it's HIM thats elected, we;ll deal with that at the time!

281 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:17pm

re: #245 Ojoe

Excellent clouds over the San Gabriel Mountains of California; Look soon. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."

— Thomas Merton.

See you all tomorrow.

nice, Ojoe. Sometimes the image has the observatory in it, but not always. They must move the camera.

282 FightingBack  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:17pm

re: #260 imploder

Have you heard of Lampertheim?

283 sandspur  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:22pm

re: #172 alexknyc

I plan on holding the MSM and Obama supporters' feet to the fire when all this comes out after the election.

"You voted for this, you wanted this, this is on you--own it."

I get the feeling I'll be saying that a lot over the next four years.

No, you won't. McCain is going to win.

284 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:57pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

"Take it one step at a time". Check. Got it.

285 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:07pm

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

I am sorry for your hurt feelings, but they don't give you control of the speech or thoughts of others. There was nothing cheap about the reference. It's history, and it's not just your history. We didn't do it, we don't know anyone who did it, and many of our families died killing the ones who did do it. Forgetting that it happened helps no one, except maybe those who would like to do it again.

286 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:40pm

re: #271 capitalist piglet

Perhaps this tape does more to enlighten the masses by being witheld than it would have had it been released.

287 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:49pm

re: #230 outsidephilly

your mom is totally awesome!

We can't all have awesome moms. My mom voted for Obama.

288 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:53pm

re: #276 solomonpanting

re: #220 MandyManners

I wonder which of Springsteen's songs resonates with Obama, "Brilliant Disguise"?

What about that new song he's released for free on his website: "A Night With The Jersey Devil"?
He makes such great music, but he's such a frakkin' moonbat. What a pity.

289 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:58pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

I don't give a rats ass if he freench kisses Harry Reid during the inauguration, As long as it's HIM thats elected, we;ll deal with that at the time!

Please don't make me envision anything like that again.

290 Florida Lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:27pm

re: #250 chukardog

The latest IBD/TIPP poll has been released today - and it has John McCain statistically tied with Barack Obama! And Neal Cavuto has just reported that the PEW poll has McCain ahead by 1% among likely voters!

Sweet! I feel like Chairman Zero may be in for a big let down on tuesday.

Link on the Pew poll?

291 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:28pm
292 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:38pm

I went to the Obama rally in Columbus, Ohio, today. I asked a police officer what he thought the crowd estimate was and he said more than 20,000. It didn't seem like that many to me, but I'm not a good estimator. In fact, I estimated McCain's crowd Friday night at about 5,000, but the radio stations said about 10,000. Anyhow, I'm not discouraged by Obama's crowd numbers because 70% of the Columbus crowd was black and we already know that 90% of blacks are voting Obama, so no surprises there. The preacher that gave the prayer actually called Obama our Moses and Martin. Moses, can you believe that? By the time the prayer was over, I wasn't sure if the guy was praying to Obama or to God. The entire rally was victim oriented, woe is me, woe is us. Michelle introduced him, same depressing stuff. Obama made so many promises, including spending 15 billion a year for alternative energy. He's going to hire massive amounts of new teachers, and anybody who volunteers for peace corp, military, or to serve the homeless, he'll make sure they get help for college. I wanted to go file bankruptcy after his speech because he's spending all my money. How will I pay my own bills? He also said America must return to civility. Arrogant punk. I wanted to shout Americans are not uncivilized! My conclusion on Obama. He should be a preacher. The guy is not a Commander in Chief. Like McCain says, Obama is running for Redistribution Chief. America will truly be sorry if this guy gets elected.

I left the Obama rally and drove straight to the Palin rally. What a difference. You can bet she didn't say America needs to return to civility.

293 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:48pm

re: #289 unrealizedviewpoint

Please don't make me envision anything like that again.

I know ,, sorry ,, I threw up a lil in my own throat as I was typing it !

294 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:39:13pm

re: #270 mahatma coat

pro-life Cathilic ought to be a redundant phrase

Exactly my point.

But while I see repeated posts on these Right leaning sites questioning how a Jew can support Obama, how a Catholic, for one example, can support Obama is almost never asked.

And where Jews can not determine this race, Catholics can.

295 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:10pm

re: #241 ArmyWife


Thank your husband for me.

I have to count to 10 multiple times.

I do this many times during the day to convince myself that most bad or unfortunate things only last a short time.

296 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:37pm

My parents voted for McCain.
My daughter voted for McCain.
In 2012, my son will vote Republican.
in 2016, my other son will surely vote Republican.

I've done my wee part.

297 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:02pm

re: #243 mahatma coat

I can just picture the entire MSM staying up for a good wank while watching this one.They now see bringing down American Governments as their job

Republican governments. Democrats get a free pass.

298 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:12pm

re: #232 Opinionated

It was sarcasm in response to a too often repeated idiotic assertion. Rest the rest.

Which assertion? Gentiles in America have blamed Jews for a certain president being elected?

299 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:15pm

re: #296 hermeneutics

My parents voted for McCain.
My daughter voted for McCain.
In 2012, my son will vote Republican.
in 2016, my other son will surely vote Republican.

I've done my wee part.

You need have more children.

300 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:45pm

re: #296 hermeneutics

My parents voted for McCain.
My daughter voted for McCain.
In 2012, my son will vote Republican.
in 2016, my other son will surely vote Republican.

I've done my wee part.

Tuesday, our youngest votes for the first time. Both of our daughters are voting for Mac.

301 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:59pm

re: #279 Killian Bundy

Hey, tune into 60 minutes. Katie Couric is pretending to be a criminal defense attorney.

/nevemind, it's over

Oh great, the next thing you know she's going to pretend to be a journalist!

302 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:42:44pm

re: #294 Opinionated

Exactly my point.

But while I see repeated posts on these Right leaning sites questioning how a Jew can support Obama, how a Catholic, for one example, can support Obama is almost never asked.

And where Jews can not determine this race, Catholics can.

I believe that McCain will get more Catholic votes this time .. I have never seen the Bishops come out as much as this election asking Catholics to vote pro-life. I know they have always said it but this time it has really been pushed ... almost to the edge of the line in the mass ...I am hoping that the large Catholic population in PA and Ohio will come through for McCain ...

303 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:43:00pm
304 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:43:32pm

re: #294 Opinionated
Sorry too say (with several very noticable exceptions) the American Catholic Bishops won't be providing any great leadership on this issue.

305 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:43:55pm

re: #283 sandspur

No, you won't. McCain is going to win.

I sure hope so.

I'll be doing my part Tuesday.

306 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:39pm

re: #298 MandyManners

Which assertion? Gentiles in America have blamed Jews for a certain president being elected?

The assertion of what's wrong with and how dumb are Jews to vote for Obama when he is bad for Israel and stands with anti Semites.

The correct question is how dumb is anyone who votes for Obama when he is bad for America.

307 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:47pm

re: #270 mahatma coat

pro-life Cathilic ought to be a redundant phrase

But unfortunately, it isn't:
Kennedy
Pelosi
Kerry
Many others

308 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:04pm

re: #304 mahatma coat

Sorry too say (with several very noticable exceptions) the American Catholic Bishops won't be providing any great leadership on this issue.

I don't know how you can say that ...my family in Ohio, Louisiana, Nevada and Tennessee have all heard almost the same thing from their parish as I have and it is strong ...

309 chukardog  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:11pm

Tuesday, send the "fresh prince of Bill Ayers" back to Hyde park for good. never has thre been a candidate for president that needed a McGovern style ass whooping than this America hating fraud.

310 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:12pm

re: #299 unrealizedviewpoint

You need have more children.

Nope. I'm more than forty now. All the parts have been removed. I'm done.

311 alexknyc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:35pm

re: #287 Alouette

We can't all have awesome moms. My mom voted for Obama.

My mother and brother did too.

I'm pretty sure I was switched in the hospital.

312 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:40pm

re: #251 MJBrutus

Blame who you want, but PA would be a lock for McCain if our fellow tribesman would wake up and smell the Felafals. NY and NJ would be in play as well. Jews are important to our country and to this election. And sadly, too used to mindlessly pulling the lever with the D on it.

I have a question for our Jewish brethern. In 2000 did you vote for Lieberman because you agreed with his stand on the issues or because he has a (D) after his name? If you voted for his stance then, why not now?

313 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:44pm

re: #241 ArmyWife

Army Wife -

Where is General Jackson - or - for that matter, Henry Jackson when you need them. My FORMER PARTY used to stand for a Robust Military and a Robust Foreign Policy. Today's Democratic Party should be chaired by MONTY HALL!
It is all about "Let's Make A Deal."

-S-

314 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:45:49pm

re: #302 JacksonTn

...I am hoping that the large Catholic population in PA and Ohio will come through for McCain ...

You and me both.

315 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:26pm

re: #294 Opinionated

My friend...no one is blaming Jews for anything. It just seems obvious to some, that through his associations, Obama is clearly a stealth anti-semite. I live in NY City. I have many Jewish friends. Most are voting for him. I find it baffling. That is all. I don't think it an indictment of the Jewish people, I just find it strange.
I also find it just as bewildering that my own sister believes in Obamessiah and gets angry when I question her about policy. You really need to relax.

316 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:35pm
317 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:56pm

re: #168 surrounded
re: #207 surrounded

There is no more staunch a defender of Israel or the Jewish people than I. If my brief paragraph offended anyone, then I would suggest that they probably spend too much time being offended.

You say that if I don't like your use of the most hurtful thing you can possibly say to a Jew then I can move to Cuba? Is that how you deal with people with whom you disagree?
You say there is no more staunch defender of the Jewish people than you? Thank you very much./
You accuse me of being one of those oversensitive Jews? How dare you judge me.

318 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:47:16pm

So NYC gets hammered on 9/11, and what, most of them are not going to vote for the only credible CinC in the race (McCain), but for the lease credible CinC ever (maybe Dukakis excepted) EVER. What's this I hear about NYC being a tough town?

319 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:47:44pm
320 right_on_target  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:02pm

Some of the links on Drudge are inaccessible - Coal Official calls Obama comment unbelievable - Lots like a DOS attack

321 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:06pm

re: #254 mama winger

mama -

Please Translate. Is this like "EH-LEE, EH-LEE - LAMACH SABBATANI?"

-S-

322 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:14pm
323 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:40pm

re: #306 Opinionated

The assertion of what's wrong with and how dumb are Jews to vote for Obama when he is bad for Israel and stands with anti Semites.

The correct question is how dumb is anyone who votes for Obama when he is bad for America.

I read here the other day that the American Jewish vote in Israel was overwhelmingly for McCain. True?

324 zombie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:42pm

Un-freakin-believable.

A couple days ago, between more well-linked Ayers-themed posts, I made a funny little "humor" post at zomblog called "Bark for Barack!" featuring pictures I took of an Obama campaign sign for dogs.

Well, seems it wasn't so funny after all. Check out the new update I just added at the bottom of the post:

Turns out even this innocuous bit of silliness has a communist connection. The “Bark for Barack” poster is based on this famous graphic design by Soviet artist Alexander Rodchenko, who “used photo montage to enhance his images to create more powerful images that would be used for propaganda for the USSR.”

Is here anything associated with Obama that isn't soaked in communism?

325 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:44pm
326 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:07pm

re: #323 MandyManners

I read here the other day that the American Jewish vote in Israel was overwhelmingly for McCain. True?

True that is was, not true that I read it here.

327 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:10pm

re: #300 CapeCoddah

Tuesday, our youngest votes for the first time. Both of our daughters are voting for Mac.

Its a good feeling, isn't it?

I love talking to my college-age daughter.

328 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:10pm

re: #318 godfrey

So NYC gets hammered on 9/11, and what, most of them are not going to vote for the only credible CinC in the race (McCain), but for the lease credible CinC ever (maybe Dukakis excepted) EVER. What's this I hear about NYC being a tough town?

i'm not voting for the grifter.

329 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:29pm

re: #320 right_on_target

Some of the links on Drudge are inaccessible - Coal Official calls Obama comment unbelievable - Lots like a DOS attack

Drudge links are working just fine.

330 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:34pm

re: #248 capitalist piglet

Idiots of all ethnicities, all religions, and both genders - yep. In other words, Americans.

Other than their ability to vote in our elections, I don't think being American is the defining element. The rest of the world has done much worse. And I would predict that over 60,000,000 Americans will vote against Obama.

I guess that's what you meant.

331 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:49:48pm

Knights of Columbus one of the largest mens Catholic organizations is also bringing it on pro-life ... I have a few friends who belong and they have been getting many emails, etc. from Knights of Columbus ...

[Link: www.kofc.org...]

332 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:09pm

re: #309 chukardog

Tuesday, send the "fresh prince of Bill Ayers" back to Hyde park for good. never has thre been a candidate for president that needed a McGovern style ass whooping than this America hating fraud.

In other words: "Yo Homey, smell ya later!"

333 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:11pm
334 x-wing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:16pm

re: #260 imploder

I live in Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany (in the south).

I've been here two years and I think I may have two years more. I love living here. Then again, I don't pay the taxes my neighbors pay.

I spent a year in Garlstedt (north of Bremen) and a year in Bamberg. I loved it over there too. As for the taxes...there's always' a catch aint it?

335 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:48pm

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

I would suggest a warm bath with epsom salts and a Kenny G CD. Or just have a fig newton.

336 Florida Lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:54pm

re: #266 Oh no...Sand People!

Funny, the media is spitting out "I think Obama has it.."

Everyone I speak with, "I voted for McCain.."

My husband's & my friends are all voting for McCain, too. All except my daughter's moonbat boyfriend.

The 18-year-old son of some of our business partners just registered to vote last month - registered Dem. So of course the Obamatrons have been over at their house every night last week trying to convert him . . . he made the mistake of telling them he was undecided. Well finally the kid had had enough. Yesterday he told them he was not going to vote for Obama no way. I'll leave it to your imagination as to the reason he gave them, because I might get deleted.

I am offering to drive this kid to the polls Tuesday. Or give him gas money . . . is that legal, by the way? It wouldn't be considered bribery, would it?

Anyway, so much for ALL the 18-24 year olds voting for Obama. My son & all his friends - and he has a considerable amount of them - my daughter, now our friends' son. All voting McCain/Palin. All in battleground states.

These are the kids who give me hope for the future.

337 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:55pm

re: #320 right_on_target

Some of the links on Drudge are inaccessible - Coal Official calls Obama comment unbelievable - Lots like a DOS attack

I had emailed him earlier today to please just link to the video at youtube because the other site was being slammed ...I wish he would ...and make it a headline ..

338 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:01pm

OK, I just finished reading through the entire Friday evening open thread.
And I'm off to hit the tip jar.

339 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:04pm
340 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:10pm

re: #227 Dr. Shalit

Pet Peeve -

For what it is worth, Rashid Khalidi is an excellent propagandist, for what I believe to be The Wrong Side. WTF is going on with OUR side? Evangelical Christians are with us through their beliefs as are many Catholics. That is not enough to win a "hearts & minds"/propaganda battle. What about the vast secular "Pop-Culture." What do we do to earn their neutrality if not their allegiance. Palestinian Propaganda speaks of a "genocide" - would that Hitler and the Third Reich gave the Jewish People such a "genocide." Six Million would have become about Eighteen Million and be living in an Autonomous East Prussia(stan) - with access to German Medicine, German Technology, German Education, and German Employment. That is the reality of "Israel/Palestine." The question is - who can, EFFECTIVELY, deliver the message. My vote would be for a Transsexual Female, Ethiopian, Lesbian Jew as hot as Caroline Cossey. All bases on "the left" covered. Now What, World?

-S-

It will take another disaster to open up their eyes...what will keep them open, I do not know.

None are so blind as those that will not see...

341 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:11pm
342 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:14pm

re: #333 taxfreekiller

is that legal?

343 wright1  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:25pm

re: #185 dammad

Well, I'm officially depressed. Brit Hume basically said Obama has it. I know, I know, only after the election will we know...but i think Brit is a really smart guy not prone to throwing out assumptions. Time to drink!

I am sick of all those commentators who have thrown the towel in. I cannot wait to see their expressions when they are wrong. Like John McCain, I will be the last one standing shouting it from the rooftops - the polls are wrong. Brit Hume is falling back on journalistic instincts which make him want to be "right". People are not being honest in these polls and that is a fact. This election is simply not over...sorry MSM.

344 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:27pm

re: #318 godfrey

So NYC gets hammered on 9/11, and what, most of them are not going to vote for the only credible CinC in the race (McCain), but for the lease credible CinC ever (maybe Dukakis excepted) EVER. What's this I hear about NYC being a tough town?

only as opposed to kalamazoo maybe?...I only visit but it seems like alot of pretense to me...good point

345 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:44pm

re: #335 surrounded

ouch

346 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:51:51pm

re: #321 Dr. Shalit

That was the Writing on the Wall ... in letters of fire... as a warning, admonition
(Scriptural, I'm lookin gor it now)

Which became the basis for "She can see the writing on the wall, so she's leaving..."

347 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:03pm

re: #324 zombie

Is here anything associated with Obama that isn't soaked in communism?

His flag lapel pin?

/unless it was made in China

348 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:08pm

re: #294 Opinionated

Exactly my point.

But while I see repeated posts on these Right leaning sites questioning how a Jew can support Obama, how a Catholic, for one example, can support Obama is almost never asked.

And where Jews can not determine this race, Catholics can.

Take heart - just today I read an article about young evangelicals voting for Obama, asking that very question. And I don't know how often it's done by high profile individuals, but I have many times wondered how on earth Catholics can vote for liberal Democrats. That just does not compute with me.

I have to disagree a little bit about who has the power to determine the race, though. At this point, in America, the nation is so divided that it looks like either candidate needs every single vote he can get. A few votes in key states can make a very big difference.

349 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:23pm

re: #308 JacksonTn
maybe I'm a bit behind the times ,but when I left north America 11 years ago I had the impression The american church was becoming dangerously liberal.Ironically I came to Ireland where they just couldn't wait to throw out tradition and prove their liberal streeet cred.(hilariously,or maybe not ,we now have american monks in Limerick as missionaries.Ireland which used to supply the world with priests!)

350 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:25pm

re: #323 MandyManners

I read here the other day that the American Jewish vote in Israel was overwhelmingly for McCain. True?

74% McCain, 26% Obama. This is because the overwhelming majority of American Jews who make aliyah are Orthodox.

351 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:54pm

re: #301 gregg

Oh great, the next thing you know she's going to pretend to be a journalist!

It's maddening.

/comment all you want, just don't exceed your knowledge base

352 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:53:15pm

re: #323 MandyManners

I read here the other day that the American Jewish vote in Israel was overwhelmingly for McCain. True?

"MM" -

YES - Most are "Haredi" - +/- 70% for McCain. In a FAIR World they would be allowed to settle in the "WEST BANK" so as to become "Good Samaritans" and "Tough as Nails" JUDEANS.

-S-

353 sandspur  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:53:38pm

re: #305 alexknyc

I sure hope so.

I'll be doing my part Tuesday.

Me, too!
Then I'll be back here for post election celebration!

354 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:53:46pm

re: #315 surrounded

My friend...no one is blaming Jews for anything. It just seems obvious to some, that through his associations, Obama is clearly a stealth anti-semite. I live in NY City. I have many Jewish friends. Most are voting for him. I find it baffling. That is all. I don't think it an indictment of the Jewish people, I just find it strange.
I also find it just as bewildering that my own sister believes in Obamessiah and gets angry when I question her about policy. You really need to relax.

You just don't get it do you?

Do you believe Obama is a Socialist? Do you believe he is bad for America?

Then instead of concentrating on the Jews, who will not determine anything, ask why Obama will win Washington State? And Wisconsin? and every other State where Jews are insignificant?

Are you of the opinion that Jews are supposed to be so much smarter then everyone else that they should recognise the Obama danger while their fellow non Jewish citizens should not?

Try to figure out why tens of millions of non Jews are voting for Obama. When you do, let me know.

355 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:05pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, that's a common cri de coeur at horsetracks in Evangeline parish:

Eh ee! Eh ee! Lay them sawbucks on me!

356 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:18pm

re: #341 taxfreekiller

she says all Hildie delegates were dissed by the O forces

There were so many things in the primaries that were straight out of the Alinsky organizing handbook ...McCain's campaign needed to study the caucus states thuggery and they would be more prepared for Tuesday. The woman you are listening to is a very respected person ... she is no flake for sure ...she has documented all the thuggery in the caucuses.

357 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:46pm

re: #344 albusteve

How come Kalamazoo? You're not from there, are you? Those are old stompin' grounds for me, moonbat college town that it is.

358 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:00pm

re: #309 chukardog

Tuesday, send the "fresh prince of Bill Ayers" back to Hyde park for good. never has thre been a candidate for president that needed a McGovern style ass whooping than this America hating fraud.

Yes! And Yes again!

359 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:06pm

re: #313 Dr. Shalit

re: #295 solomonpanting

Thanks. I am among friends here, I know. It was a mini rant. On a lighter note, the Killer just made me a Reuben and brought me a glass of Malbec. He really deserves a wife who might actually make him dinner or something.

/I do make them dinner, my creations get out of control though, so he goes more simple. He noticed this was a problem when the 10 year old commented on people getting bent out of shape over arugula. She said "what is the big deal? I like argula. Its especially good on Mom's grilled cheese." Mom's grilled cheese is sourdough, Brie, thin granny smith apples and argula.

360 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:10pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

No.

You have given a poorly transliterated quote of "My G-d, my G-d, why have You forsaken me?" which comes from the Psalms and are quoted as Jesus' last words.

"Mene men tekel upharsin" are the words which the hand writes on the wall at Belshazzar's feast, which are translated as, "You have been weighed in the scales and found wanting."

"Buzz" -

Thank You. That is all.

-S-

361 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:14pm

re: #292 ciaospirit
CIVILITY What is Obama's definition of it?
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Ci`vil´i`ty
n. 1. The state of society in which the relations and duties of a citizen are recognized and obeyed; a state of civilization.

Monarchies have risen from barbarism to civility, and fallen again to ruin.
- Sir J. Davies.

362 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:37pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

No.

You have given a poorly transliterated quote of "My G-d, my G-d, why have You forsaken me?" which comes from the Psalms and are quoted as Jesus' last words.

"Mene men tekel upharsin" are the words which the hand writes on the wall at Belshazzar's feast, which are translated as, "You have been weighed in the scales and found wanting."

From this do we get the expression, "... writing on the wall?"

363 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:53pm
364 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:55:55pm

re: #309 chukardog

Tuesday, send the "fresh prince of Bill Ayers" back to Hyde park for good. never has thre been a candidate for president that needed a McGovern style ass whooping than this America hating fraud.


Oh, that is very funny.

365 doppelganglander  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:04pm

re: #258 TheMatrix31

Can someone get a "legit" article about how Republicans give more to charities than Democrats?

I sent this one to a friend, and apparently it's not good enough for him.

Not Good Enough For A Liberal

How is an article from the Chronicle of Philanthropy not good enough for him? Plus, the author of the book is an independent who has been registered as a Democrat and a Republican at different times in the past. Your friend is an idiot.

366 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:17pm

re: #323 MandyManners

I read here the other day that the American Jewish vote in Israel was overwhelmingly for McCain. True?

Something like 75%. But then there were reports the exit polls were "tainted" by sampling too many Orthodox.

367 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:22pm
368 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:36pm

re: #321 Dr. Shalit

mama -

Please Translate. Is this like "EH-LEE, EH-LEE - LAMACH SABBATANI?"

-S-

The Handwriting on the Wall

[Link: www.bibleinsight.com...]

Loosely, it means 'you have been measured and found wanting, so I will give your kingdom over to somebody else"

I was using it in reference to Obama.

369 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:18pm

re: #354 Opinionated

Are you daft? This is a comment thread about a PLO spokesman and a Presidential Candidate! How is that not related to Jews and how they vote?
Good god.

370 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:24pm

And yet Obama does nothing to distance himself from this man. Nothing. Therein lies the rub for me. I don't want McCain in power but can I look myself in the mirror and say that Yes, I really want Obama?

Why can't there be a third party that supports the second amendment, funding at the classroom level, absolute separation of church and state, makes marriage a right for everyone, abortion a federally protected right, doesn't permit the government to be involved in overseas wars on flimsy evidence, and puts an end to income tax?

On an unrelated note, the homemade soup I just made is splendid.

371 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:32pm

re: #357 Macker

How come Kalamazoo? You're not from there, are you? Those are old stompin' grounds for me, moonbat college town that it is.

born and raised...WMU alumni...go Broncs!...heh

372 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:39pm

re: #348 capitalist piglet

Take heart - just today I read an article about young evangelicals voting for Obama, asking that very question. And I don't know how often it's done by high profile individuals, but I have many times wondered how on earth Catholics can vote for liberal Democrats. That just does not compute with me.

I have to disagree a little bit about who has the power to determine the race, though. At this point, in America, the nation is so divided that it looks like either candidate needs every single vote he can get. A few votes in key states can make a very big difference.

every four years, that guy from Sojourners magazine proclaims that THIS IS THE YEAR THAT EVANGELICALS LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. And then evangelicals vote.

Between 70 and 85 percent of white evangelical votes will go to McCain.

373 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:40pm

Awesome Catholic video (with special friends at 2:47)

374 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:58:29pm
375 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:58:59pm
376 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:09pm
377 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:14pm

Sarah Palin streaming in Ohio

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

378 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:51pm

I'd like some sense of the Jewish population here in the United States -- what proportion are Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed?

What proportion of active or salient Jews are in each of these three branches? Of the Jews that are serious about their faith and try to live/believe as Jews, what percentage are Orthodox?

379 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:19pm

re: #350 Alouette

74% McCain, 26% Obama. This is because the overwhelming majority of American Jews who make aliyah are Orthodox.

Thanks. For some reason I thought it was 67/33. That's a serious butt-whipping.

The first time I heard "aliyah" was in a class on Israeli-Arab politics, when I learned about the first aliyah and the second aliyah in the prelude to the establishment of Israel.

380 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:27pm

re: #335 surrounded

I would suggest a warm bath with epsom salts and a Kenny G CD. Or just have a fig newton.

lol. I'll survive.

381 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:30pm
382 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:07pm

re: #369 surrounded

Are you daft? This is a comment thread about a PLO spokesman and a Presidential Candidate! How is that not related to Jews and how they vote?
Good god.

I'm pretty certain that when Charles cites Obama's connections to a terrorist spokesman he thinks those are American issues and not purely Jewish ones.

Maybe you don't.

383 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:20pm

re: #361 notutopia

CIVILITY What is Obama's definition of it?
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Ci`vil´i`ty
n. 1. The state of society in which the relations and duties of a citizen are recognized and obeyed; a state of civilization.

Monarchies have risen from barbarism to civility, and fallen again to ruin.
- Sir J. Davies.

He also said we need to return to the spirit of service and sacrifice. To distinguish between what we need and what we'd like to have. He's going to go through the budget line by line and decide what we need. I'll try to get the audio up on that one. He really thinks he is the One.

384 zombie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:21pm

re: #309 chukardog

the "fresh prince of Bill Ayers"

Brilliant!

I just did a search and that phrase has only occured 8 times prior to today. Not quite original, then, but hilarious nonetheless!

Here is a post from a couple days ago with a full-fledged parody of Will Smith's song:

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

Now, this is a story all about how my life got flipped turned up-side-down.
I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there,
I'll tell you how I became involved with the terrorist Bill Ayers.

In Chicago Illinois I finally hit the stage,
after wasting potential most of my days.
Smokin that dope and relaxin all cool,
and all snortin that cocaine outside of the school,
when a couple of guys who were up to all bad,
suggested that I murder both my mom and dad.
I clung to one little threat and the nation got scared,
they said "you better explain your relation to the bomber Bill Ayers!"

I whistled past the grave as elections grew near,
public opinion's a mess and there's a liar in the mirror!
If anything I could claim these extremists were rare,
but I thought nah forget it, even Michelle likes Bill Ayers!

I pulled up to the capitol around two thousand eight
and I yelled to the public "go home, all ya haters!"
I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there,
to sit on my throne as a friend of Bill Ayers.

385 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:47pm

re: #354 Opinionated

Then instead of concentrating on the Jews

It is not anyone here, but certain elements of Islam who "concentrate" on the Jews. That many American Jews vote for the candidate who most supports these elements of Islam simply baffles some of us. It is not necessarily related to the significance of their vote as a block, though some elections are decided by a very narrow margin. You must admit, these elements of Islam have not singled out Catholics the way they have the Jewish people. No one else is arguing for that which you are arguing against.

386 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:55pm

re: #352 Dr. Shalit

"MM" -

YES - Most are "Haredi" - +/- 70% for McCain. In a FAIR World they would be allowed to settle in the "WEST BANK" so as to become "Good Samaritans" and "Tough as Nails" JUDEANS.

-S-

As I posted in No. 379, my first knowledge of aliyah was in relation to the estabilshment of Israel. They were incredibly tough folks.

Long may they be.

387 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:56pm

When I was a kid I learned: eli eli lama sabachthani

388 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:00pm

re: #300 CapeCoddah

My oldest...birthday yesterday!...votes for the first time, too!
One more vote for McCain!

389 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:24pm

re: #254 mama winger

I love the Nebuchadnezzar story! The Book of Daniel is great resistance literature to tyranny.

390 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:30pm

re: #371 albusteve

Ah! Wasted Money University!

/snicker

I went to KVCC, then Davenport U.

391 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:34pm

re: #388 wolfie

Yay! Obviously raised well.

392 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:05pm
393 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:22pm

I hope that the American Jews in Israel have been spreading the knowledge to their friends and families here.

394 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:23pm

re: #389 arethusa

I love the Nebuchadnezzar story! The Book of Daniel is great resistance literature to tyranny.

Yes, and a wonderful prophetic voice of things to come.

395 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:30pm
396 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:46pm

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Davenport? Sofa, so good.

You could couch that in better terms...

397 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:20pm
398 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:30pm

re: #396 SurferDoc

You could couch that in better terms...

Touche

399 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:02pm
400 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:12pm

re: #376 buzzsawmonkey

I do not have reference nearby, but I believe that a better transliteration of Dr. Shalit's quote would be "Eli, Eli, lamah azaftzani?"

I am not positive of the Hebrew spelling, however, so I have had to guess at the transliteration for the last word.

"Eli Eli lamah azavtani" (My G-D my G-D why have you forsaken me?) is Psalms 22.
"Eloi Eloi lamah zabathani" (My G-D my G-D why have you sacrificed me?) is the NT (Gospel of Mark? can't find the NT)

401 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:20pm

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Davenport? Sofa, so good.

How divan!

402 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:26pm

Time for dinner, bbl

(Stuffed porkchops)

403 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:06:19pm
404 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:07:25pm

Watch this:
Obama's Chicago. "He didn't know."

405 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:07:27pm

re: #359 ArmyWife

"A-W" -

Your Grilled Cheese Sounds great. Mine is simpler - Natural Cheese (Cheddar, Swiss, Muenster, Monterrey Jack or Colby), Tomato(sliced), and Whole Wheat or "Potato" Bread - done in a "Convection Toaster Oven" - "No Grease." "Nuke" for a few seconds to make sure the cheese is melted, and with fresh brewed coffee or tea - a great simple meal.

-S-

406 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:07:48pm

re: #399 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget that Obama is the media's golden boy, with silvered hair, brazen cheek, and feet of clay.

And if you do not bow before him, he will cast you into a fiery Fairness.

Week, weeks and half a week.

407 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:07:58pm

re: #370 eclectic infidel

"Funding at the classroom level." Do es that mean more of the federal take-over of education or returning control (and funding) to a local level?

Except for that fuzzy one, I'd say you should try the Libertarian Party or write in Ron Paul.

408 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:23pm

My fear is that the Dems will do so much damage that, as Thomas Sowell states, we will reach the point of no return.

409 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:24pm

re: #397 taxfreekiller

Zombie

see my #253

Dr. Long a PUMA leader is on tearing up Obama.

The PUMA's were at the McCain rally Friday night in Columbus. At a rally a few weeks back, a PUMA spokesperson told me there are 14,000 PUMA volunteers actively campaigning for John McCain. These women are serious. The Dem leadership should never have called them menopausal for speaking out against Obama's shady ACORN affiliation back in the primaries.

410 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:26pm
411 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:39pm

re: #390 Macker

Ah! Wasted Money University!

/snicker

I went to KVCC, then Davenport U.

did my nursing school at KVCC...radiography at Lake Mich CC...I dont miss Michigan but alas that's my old turf...what can I say?...my daughter is up in GR and my mom in Richland so I gotta go back here and there...I'm an old Gull Laker...ha!

412 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:55pm

dinner time


bbl

413 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:59pm

re: #296 hermeneutics

We got 8 Mac/Sarah votes in our family - only one for Obama. And she voted for the O because she is a social worker and hears "woe is me" stories all day long, so she believes O is going to help those poor folks.

414 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:01pm

re: #388 wolfie

My oldest...birthday yesterday!...votes for the first time, too!
One more vote for McCain!

I'm sure this has been mentioned here over the past few days, but bears repeating. Dick Morris said that there has been a shift among young voters towards McCain:

Voters under 45 supported Obama by 52-38 in the Fox News poll of October 21-22. But this week’s survey indicates that they now break evenly with 45% supporting Obama and 46% backing McCain.

He feels that the tax issues are the reason. Seems that young people have dreams of making something out of their lives. Go figure.

415 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:22pm

re: #408 surrounded

My fear is that the Dems will do so much damage that, as Thomas Sowell states, we will reach the point of no return.

That's certainly a possibility but I think it's unlikely. We are in for tough times but this isn't the end.

416 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:26pm
417 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:43pm

Dinner's being prepared, so I must go.

Interesting afternoon's conversation, and thanks for your company. I'm working on a story I don't like much, and it's been a relief to chat about politics.

418 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:47pm

re: #377 JacksonTn

Palin is such a dynamo of American spirit!

419 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:51pm
420 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:58pm
421 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:58pm

Evening all, and OT.

A little long, but a small victory I think. I bagged some "undecideds" this afternoon at a family function who were apparently leaning Darth Barack. They bought into the whole O change theme and couldn't vote for McCain b/c he chose Palin as a running mate. Huh?

The hellofit was, I specifically went there only because politics is NEVER discussed.

They're all MSM fed. They started railing about old guy "McInsane" and the inexperienced "religious kook" Palin...I held myself in check until my wife loudly announced we're voting "the other way" then she politely excused herself and she and my MIL left to run "some errands" and left me to wolves.

What surprised me the most was that none of them heard of Obama's 3 A's, +B. (Ayers, ACORN, Annenberg Challenge, and yes...the still as of yet in my mind unresolved birth certificate issue.) They also hadn't heard any of his sliding rich tax definitions, first $250k, then $200k, then Biden's $150k, etc. But they ALL knew how much $$ in clothing the RNC paid for Palin, that McCain was involved "somehow" with the S&L bailout in the 80's, and that McCain was going to be 4 more years of the last 4 and they "couldn't afford more of the same" (Which I found especially ironic given that 2 of them own businesses and both up until this last 1/4 have been doing very well.)

Lastly, I offered to pay them each $100.00 if they could put together a better list of accomplishments for Barack than I could for Palin. I got to keep my money. None of this was done in a confrontational manner or done in a way to make anyone feel stupid. The 2 guys both asked me, "How come we've never heard of this stuff in the news?"

The only thing I could think to tell them was they're reading or listening to the wrong news. I left the list with them, and wrote down a few news/blogs/comment sites/whatever they're called (LGF included, of course) and that if they're serious about an unfiltered view of what's going on the world around them to give them all a hard look.

The parting shot though from one chick was, "You know Brick, it doesn't really make a damn who we vote for so why bother?"

"If you've given millions of dollars to a particular campaign (ignoring legal contribution caps of course) you'd make damn sure you got out and voted for that candidate, yes?"

"Well, yeah."

"How much would that guy's vote count for?"
(had to repeat this a couple of times.)

"Well, one."

"How much would YOUR vote count for?"

"One."

"So, who's vote is more valuable?"

"They're the same."

"Yes, but only if YOU vote."

Yet to be seen if I'm persona-non-grata for the Christmas soiree.

422 doppelganglander  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:19pm

re: #359 ArmyWife

re: #295 solomonpanting

Thanks. I am among friends here, I know. It was a mini rant. On a lighter note, the Killer just made me a Reuben and brought me a glass of Malbec. He really deserves a wife who might actually make him dinner or something.

/I do make them dinner, my creations get out of control though, so he goes more simple. He noticed this was a problem when the 10 year old commented on people getting bent out of shape over arugula. She said "what is the big deal? I like argula. Its especially good on Mom's grilled cheese." Mom's grilled cheese is sourdough, Brie, thin granny smith apples and argula.

That sounds yummy. Just because we're conservative doesn't mean we can't enjoy the finer things. My husband bought me a museum membership for my birthday, and my son gave me Teaching Company courses on the Louvre and linguistics. We are not toothless hillbillies as Obama seems to believe.

423 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:21pm

Report: Israeli security chief warns of assassination

Israel's internal security agency is "very concerned" that extremists in that country might assassinate an Israeli leader to disrupt the peace process with the Palestinians, Shin Bet's director said Sunday, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

"We discern a willingness among the far-right to resort to using guns in order to prevent progress in the diplomatic process," Yuval Diskin, head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the Israeli Cabinet, according to Haaretz.

424 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:56pm

re: #419 taxfreekiller

now she says Obama knows who he is, but is just presenting his "brand" to get elected.

True words. Just watch his speeches over time and watch how they shift to what he thinks will get him elected. Even his accent changes.

425 right_on_target  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:58pm

re: #388 wolfie

My oldest...birthday yesterday!...votes for the first time, too!
One more vote for McCain!


___
My twins are still 17 and bummed that they can't vote. She's for McCain and he won't say.

426 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:07pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

That's certainly a possibility but I think it's unlikely. We are in for tough times but this isn't the end.

there is no 'point of no return'...remember the Alamo!

427 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:26pm
428 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:49pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

keep in mind, they will have a super-majority combined with the Presidency and what they believe to be a mandate from the people.

429 MJBrutus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #312 x-wing

I have a question for our Jewish brethern. In 2000 did you vote for Lieberman because you agreed with his stand on the issues or because he has a (D) after his name? If you voted for his stance then, why not now?

Speaking for myself, I absolutely DID NOT! I like Joe, but aside from his from his stand on national defense I despise his politics. I certainly felt no need to vote for a fellow Jew. I voted for who I felt would most likely be our best choice in office.

430 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #425 right_on_target

___
My twins are still 17 and bummed that they can't vote. She's for McCain and he won't say.

Find a conservative girlfreind for him and he WILL say !

431 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:12:57pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

lol

Isn't Suxtoubie U also known as Harvard?

432 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:13:16pm

re: #396 SurferDoc

Oh no. The Pun Committee chairs just showed up.

433 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:13:33pm
434 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:14:06pm

re: #409 ciaospirit

The PUMA's were at the McCain rally Friday night in Columbus. At a rally a few weeks back, a PUMA spokesperson told me there are 14,000 PUMA volunteers actively campaigning for John McCain. These women are serious. The Dem leadership should never have called them menopausal for speaking out against Obama's shady ACORN affiliation back in the primaries.

I have said this before ...when Senator Government played Jay Z at his rallies in the primaries...

99 Problems and A Bitch Ain't One ...that was a big problem for Senator Government ...

435 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:14:16pm

Someone's probably already posted this but it's well worth a listen & view if you haven't seen it.


Spread The Wealth Around

436 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:14:22pm

re: #396 SurferDoc

You could couch that in better terms...

re: #432 ArmyWife

Oh no. The Pun Committee chairs just showed up.

ArmyWife,, are you PILLOwring him for that

437 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:14:36pm

re: #432 ArmyWife

Oh no. The Pun Committee chairs just showed up.

I'm ashamed. I thought it and my fingers were near the keyboard--and it just happened.

438 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:14:45pm

re: #405 Dr. Shalit

Sounds good, no tomato though. I can't get past the texture. I have the same issue with bananas. I am sure there is medication for this, though!

The little one likes tomatoes, I'll make this for her with some homemade veggie soup!

439 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:15:14pm
440 doppelganglander  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:15:28pm

re: #376 buzzsawmonkey

I do not have reference nearby, but I believe that a better transliteration of Dr. Shalit's quote would be "Eli, Eli, lamah azaftzani?"

I am not positive of the Hebrew spelling, however, so I have had to guess at the transliteration for the last word.

You're probably right, but I think the conventional transliteration in Christian Bibles is "Eloi, Eloi, lamach sabachtani."

441 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:15:34pm

re: #368 mama winger

Mama -

For "Poops and Laughs" - whaddabout - "MABUS" from the Nostradamian Quatrain? Whaddiff - the "MA" is OBAMA - not - OSAMA? Food for thought?

-S-

442 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:11pm

Liberals and immature thinking: Thoughts.

443 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:13pm

Hey, anyone been here? Stealbackyourvote.org
Sent via moonbat Vermont in-laws. They love me, have I mentioned that lately?

444 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:30pm
445 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:49pm

re: #437 SurferDoc

mine wasn't much better. Be we crack us up, though, don't we?

446 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:18pm

re: #424 ciaospirit

He said it himself...He is a blank slate...He can be whatever you need him to be. He is the Hologram Man.

447 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:19pm

re: #428 surrounded

keep in mind, they will have a super-majority combined with the Presidency and what they believe to be a mandate from the people.

they may not have a super majority and the mandate from the people may well be to explain BOs nefarious and sinister relationships and unrealistic promises...he could face an unprecedented shitstorm with regard to credibility

448 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:24pm

re: #428 surrounded

But they will have to face midterm elections in two years and another general election in 4. That's plenty of time to make a big mess but I doubt it's enough time to destroy the country. Unless that's what the people want.

449 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:24pm

re: #445 ArmyWife

mine wasn't much better. Be we crack us up, though, don't we?

*hiding my head while smiling*

450 Judge Bean  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:25pm

I guess a summation of the stuff that has been pulled up over the last few days - bankrupting the coal industry, civil militia, tax/price increases to discourage consumption, Khalidi, etc. is: WHERE THE HELL HAS THE RNC AND THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN BEEN IN UNCOVERING THIS STUFF? It is not like Obama just uttered this stuff. Even if the mainstream media did not cover this stuff, most of this would have made dandy ads for the Republicans. This Mccain campaign has been severely mismanaged - hopefully we can still pull this out despite their incompetence. Some heads should roll at the RNC after this election.

451 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:39pm

re: #436 sattv4u2

Duvet even notice, really?

452 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:18:44pm

re: #435 Thanos

Someone's probably already posted this but it's well worth a listen & view if you haven't seen it.


Spread The Wealth Around

ROFLMAO!

That is awesome!

Thanks!

453 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:18:45pm

I'm still amazed by the lack of press coverage of this Khalidi business. Here's a guy with demonstrable, direct, unrepentant links to a terrorist group, whom a presidential candidate considers a valuable corrective to his own thinking, and the press reaction to this is yawn.

What is the press smoking?

454 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:18:58pm

re: #451 ArmyWife

Duvet even notice, really?

I recline to comment

455 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:19:59pm
456 Aviator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:00pm

re: #453 godfrey

I'm still amazed by the lack of press coverage of this Khalidi business. Here's a guy with demonstrable, direct, unrepentant links to a terrorist group, whom a presidential candidate considers a valuable corrective to his own thinking, and the press reaction to this is yawn.

What is the press smoking?

The O's johnson.

457 Killer Tomato  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:17pm

Killer Tomato, LGF operative-in-training, back from the final McCain Town Hall meeting in Peterborough, New Hampshire.

I put on a plain beige insulated jacket, stuffed my hair under a Red Sox cap, put on a pair of sunglasses and black wool gloves and headed northwest to Peterborough.

The doors were scheduled to open at 4:30pm. I arrived in downtown Peterborough at about a quarter to 3. There was already nowhere to park. Several streets over from the town offices someone was pulling out of a space and I grabbed it.

As soon as I arrived at the front of the Town House I realized I wasn’t going to get in. Peterborough was the model for Thornton Wilder’s play ‘Our Town’ and currently has a population of somewhere between 6,000 and 7,000. Every resident must’ve been in the street; the line to get in was between 2 and 4 deep and already over a block long. I spoke to a woman near the front of the line and she said she’d been there since 11am. I figured I’d make the most of the situation and see if I could get some decent photos. I didn’t really expect much – it’s not exactly a major metropolis.

Harlow’s Pub across the street was closed, but there were signs in the window advising everyone to Vote! Vote! Vote! Just past the walkway, a small group of Obama supporters were clustered together under a large sign. There were some good natured comments traded back and forth – and some booing and the Obama people would wave and the crowd would laugh.

I spotted a Caucasian woman with a small African American child – they were holding a sign that said ‘This Kenyan is for McCain’. I snapped a few photos of additional kids holding red, white and blue pom-poms and wearing McCain stickers on their jackets.

The ‘End the War’ crowd began to show up and set up their banners and signs along with the ‘Veterans for Obama’ (a group which I will never understand). The Obama forces began to grow – they were grouped together on one side of the street. As their number increased, so did their ‘exuberance'.

The opposing crowds began chanting back and forth – the Obama people apparently hadn’t brought their speech writers – all they could come up with was ‘O-ba-ma’ while the McCain folks countered with ‘John McCain’, or ‘USA’, and some new ones - ‘so-cial-ist’ and ‘no free ride’ and (and I laughed when I heard this one) ‘show us the tape’.

Periodically the Police would clear everyone out of the middle of the street and a tour bus would crawl through the crowd and make the tight turn onto the side street – the main street was closed to traffic. Tour buses continued arriving throughout the afternoon – I have no idea what was up with that, but they all had Massachusetts license plates.

I spotted a couple with homemade signs: one said, ‘I’ll keep my freedom, my guns and my money – you can keep the change’, and the other one read, ‘just another small town, religion clinging, gun toting American voting for McCain-Palin’.

(continued...)

458 slokat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:57pm

re: #327 hermeneutics

Your daughter at Pepperdine? - I took this shot yesterday, just north of there on HWY1... Malibu Sunset

459 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:03pm

re: #454 sattv4u2

I recline to comment

You guys are just divan.

460 Killer Tomato  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:24pm

(part 2 of 2)

In an effort to prove NH can be whacky (although not as whacky as the west coast), a giant, hideously bizarre looking red elephant wearing a business suit came lumbering down the street accompanied by what I assume was supposed to be John McCain. Some sort of odd thing also appeared around this time – no one was sure what it was. It bore a vague resemblance to ‘Plankton’ from Spongebob, but it wasn’t. Someone in the crowd guessed it was a bacteria and someone else said it looked like a hemorrhoid. Whatever it was, it danced around and scampered back and forth across the street. A large puppet made its way through the crowd – it stopped and spoke to a gentleman in front of me and said it had pulled into town for a cup of coffee and what the heck was going on?

A young woman wearing a torn outfit made of stars and stripes material with fake blood running down her face and limbs was holding a sign that said ‘McCain – death of the American dream’. Someone yelled at her “Halloween was Friday!” She posed nicely for me while I thought “you’re supporting a Communist and McCain is the death of the American dream?”

By then I had worked my way down to the NRA group who had a bunch of veterans standing with them. A very elderly gentleman in a Navy baseball hat motioned to the girl – “I served so she could stand there and do that” and another vet who looked Vietnam War age said, “yeah, me too”. The Navy vet looked at the younger man and reached over and grabbed his hand and shook it – they tilted their heads toward one another – I couldn’t hear what they said and I didn’t take a photo – it felt like a private moment.

I kept walking – by now the line to get in was at least 3 blocks long and there was no way all those people would fit in the tiny hall. They probably all weren’t going to fit into the cordoned off area in the front with the two giant screen TVs that were set up either.

I passed several people holding a large sign that said ‘Socialism’ with a large red X through it, and just about that time, Uncle Sam (on stilts) made his way down the street. He had a McCain-Palin sticker on his lapel and the crowd starting chanting ‘USA’ and then ‘God Bless America’ broke out and people started singing.

By now it was after 4:30, getting too dark for photos and there was still no sign of Senator McCain. I’d never been to Peterborough before; it was a good hour back home and I didn’t want to be driving unfamiliar country roads in the dark, so I headed back to my car and got on the road. Driving out of town I passed 2 more bus loads of people heading in.

It was an interesting way to spend a Sunday afternoon – I’ll say that.

461 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:28pm

re: #453 godfrey

Are you really? Think about how the ROP (insert trademark thingy) reacts to such things. Heads would be called for all over the place. The press is justifiably afraid, which makes ignoring this even worse, doesn't it?

462 doppelganglander  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:36pm

re: #457 Killer Tomato

‘I’ll keep my freedom, my guns and my money – you can keep the change’,

I love it!

463 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:16pm
464 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:17pm

"Veterans for Obama" ~Sweet Jesus on Mount Irony!

465 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:25pm
459 arethusa


re: #454 sattv4u2

I recline to comment

You guys are just divan.

Yeah, sofa so good.

466 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:48pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

there is also the chance that McCain will win!

467 Sunlight  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:24:37pm

re: #459 arethusa

You guys are just divan.

Can you think of another way to couch that?

468 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:22pm

re: #467 Sunlight

I'm a little chairy of this conversation.

469 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:33pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

I wish someone would start a new university, called Suxtoubie U.

What would be the mascot?

470 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:42pm

OT - neoconhippy and bcgirl met up in Reno and canvassed an area in south Reno together.

Should make mama winger get warm fuzzies and maybe a tingle or two.

Nobama!

471 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:42pm

re: #467 Sunlight

Can you think of another way to couch that?

I otto, man, but I can't!

472 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:44pm
473 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:50pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

But they will have to face midterm elections in two years and another general election in 4. That's plenty of time to make a big mess but I doubt it's enough time to destroy the country. Unless that's what the people want.

Some of them apparently do.

/made the mistake of skimming through Ayers' "work"

474 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:08pm

For someone who has actually accomplished nothing to blithely talk about taking away what has been earned by those who have accomplished something, and give it to whomever he chooses in the name of "spreading the wealth," is the kind of casual arrogance that has led to many economic catastrophes in many countries.
The equally casual ease with which Barack Obama has talked about appointing judges on the basis of their empathies with various segments of the population makes a mockery of the very concept of law.
After this man has wrecked the economy and destroyed constitutional law with his judicial appointments, what can he do for an encore? He can cripple the military and gamble America's future on his ability to sit down with enemy nations and talk them out of causing trouble.
-Thomas Sowell

475 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:13pm

re: #454 sattv4u2

I recline to comment

LazyBoy.

476 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:17pm

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

You want to table it? I think it has legs.

477 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:20pm

re: #285 legalpad

I am sorry for your hurt feelings, but they don't give you control of the speech or thoughts of others. There was nothing cheap about the reference. It's history, and it's not just your history. We didn't do it, we don't know anyone who did it, and many of our families died killing the ones who did do it. Forgetting that it happened helps no one, except maybe those who would like to do it again.

The holocaust is not something that Jews try to forget. And my feelings are not important and I apologize for displaying them.
The Jews in Hitler's ghettoes and concentration camps were unarmed, starving, sick and helpless. Almost all were slaughtered without any possibility of resistance.
So when one accuses Jews who vote Dem of being like those helpless Jews in the death camps, I think that is a very cheap shot.
If one wishes to use cheap shots to make a point then that is one's right - but don't expect it to be meekly accepted.

478 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:26pm
479 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:42pm
480 Perplexed  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:45pm

re: #407 wolfie

"Funding at the classroom level." Do es that mean more of the federal take-over of education or returning control (and funding) to a local level?

Except for that fuzzy one, I'd say you should try the Libertarian Party or write in Ron Paul.

Question: Since some African-Americans have stated that 'education is a white thing' and drop out. Why do we continue supporting something that they've said they don't want and that their parents refuse to support? Is this a jobs program for the teachers? This could be a good reason to have school vouchers in that students who wanted to learn could learn and would learn in a much more education conducive environment.

481 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:52pm

re: #460 Killer Tomato

Excellent report! Thanks for going and bringing back the news.

482 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:53pm

re: #465 solomonpanting

I was reading about the ottoman empire yesterday, it bore a striking resemblance to your posts.

483 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:16pm

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

I chaise longue for the current pun cycle to end.

OK. I'll settle down.

484 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:32pm

Thanos (#435),

Someone's probably already posted this but it's well worth a listen & view if you haven't seen it.


Spread The Wealth Around

Nicely done.

485 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:03pm
486 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:09pm
487 Sunlight  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:12pm

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

I chaise longue for the current pun cycle to end.

The laughing relaxes the unbelievably tense chest and neck muscles. I think you'll just need to pedal faster to keep up (with the cycle!).

488 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:29pm

re: #468 jaunte

I'm a little chairy of this conversation.

I'm gonna sit this one out.

489 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:38pm

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

Ending the pun cycle? I ottoman, but I can't bring myself to it.

490 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:37pm

re: #478 buzzsawmonkey

I hadn't quite gotten that far. Consider suggestions open.

Hmm, Suxtobie U? For a mascot how about a Mosquito. :)

/so many ways it could be used.

491 godfrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:42pm

lol

I'm too slow. Good night everyone!

492 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:58pm

Look at the photo that Drudge currently has up of Obama...

Messi-uh

493 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:03pm

re: #477 Spare O'Lake
For the last time.
No one accused anyone of anything. Read the original post. I'm done with you.

494 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:53pm
495 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:37pm

re: #494 buzzsawmonkey

A leech is a possibility, too.

vampire bat

remora

496 AceR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:37:54pm

I got to thinking about what Joe Biden said about if Obama becomes POTUS, that our enemies will "test" him within the first 6 months.

That word "test" really bothered me, and what I concluded is that maybe it means one of two things:

TEST = American deaths?
TEST = to find out if Obama on the side of our enemies?

Why would Biden say something like this?

If Obama is a friend to the world, why would our sworn enemies want to cause him grief by killing Americans? That could backfire and cause a resumption of U.S. patriotism and sympathy from other nations around the world akin to what was exhibited after 9/11, and it might even force Obama to retaliate---although I think that is a stretch.

But, on the other hand, if our sworn enemies already know that Obama is friendly to socialists who hate America and that he and Michelle have enjoyed the company of home-grown terrorists like Ayers, Dohrn, and the PLO terrorist shill Khalidi, and that Obama listened to the rantings of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, well maybe the "test" is to see how far they can lead him by the nose into being sympathetic to their causes and possibly manipulate him to do their bidding.

One can only imagine the conversations that took place between Obama and Ayers/Dohrn and Khalidi in the past. And if indeed Khalidi was a terrorist shill and spokesman for the PLO, then I think the "test" Biden ominously warns us about could very well be the latter.

Obama, if elected, will usher in a new era in the U.S. complete with "spreading the wealth", promoting a marxist agenda in our schools through the teachings of professors like Ayers/Dorhn, and crippling of our economy by bankrupting the coal industry and by implementing "price signals" to change our behaviors.

And our enemies already know that McCain will not be sympathetic to their causes.

I can almost hear our enemies rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of an Obama presidency...

497 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:38:13pm

re: #385 legalpad

It is not anyone here

Oh really?

498 slokat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:38:50pm

re: #405 Dr. Shalit

"A-W" -

Your Grilled Cheese Sounds great. Mine is simpler - Natural Cheese (Cheddar, Swiss, Muenster, Monterrey Jack or Colby), Tomato(sliced), and Whole Wheat or "Potato" Bread - done in a "Convection Toaster Oven" - "No Grease." "Nuke" for a few seconds to make sure the cheese is melted, and with fresh brewed coffee or tea - a great simple meal.

-S-

So for a variation - next time lay some fresh basil on the bread before the cheese & sprinkle dill weed on the tomato slices before placing them on the sandwich.

Or - spread good deli mustard on the bread

Or - sprinkle (sparingly) basalmic vinegar & pepper on the bread...

...I like flavor ;)

499 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:52pm

Anyone got a direct line to Drudge? He has linked a site that has a Coal official floored over the Senator Government video but the site is getting slammed by Dailyidiots so you cannot access it. Could he link the article to his site? Just wondering ...

500 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:42:25pm
501 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:42:43pm

Okay, lizards. I am sick to death of every Journalist, pundit and commentator telling me Obama is going to win and Tuesday is basically just a formality. BS! Let's discuss what the ramifications of a McCain win means to The Dems, the media and whoever else. I mean real ramifications not merely satirical thoughts. This may be the only positive repose we have for the next 48 hours. Thoughts please!

Ok, I'll go first. I suspect that MSNBC will eventually cease to exist. They have strayed so far from a news format that I don't see them ever regaining that perception no matter what they do.

502 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:22pm

I got part of the article but the rest wouldn't load. This is all I managed to copy.

CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions...

503 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:51pm

re: #493 surrounded

This is not Cuba, asshole.

504 VioletTiger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:13pm

re: #460 Killer Tomato

lol! Loved the description of the plankton/hemmorhoid thing.

505 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:02pm

re: #499 JacksonTn

Anyone got a direct line to Drudge? He has linked a site that has a Coal official floored over the Senator Government video but the site is getting slammed by Dailyidiots so you cannot access it. Could he link the article to his site? Just wondering ...

[Link: www.wvrecord.com...]

506 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:04pm

re: #450 Judge Bean

Judge, The GOP strategy was conservative, in that I mean straight talk and honest campaign. Palin has had a huge impact on the agressiveness in speeches and words to turn this campaign trail around. She uses the issues of the dems as examples to validate the differences in the candidates and the platforms. She has the least to lose if her words are misspoken or taken out of context as she'll return to Alaska if they do not succeed in this election. McCain however, will return to the Hill to continue dealing with these same corrupt politicians. It was not until Joe the plummer's wealth redistribution and then Zombies Ayers releases that they realized the implication for far left socialism was in their favour to use as examples of the anti-american socialist policies that we are to face if O is pushed into office. The dems have used every psychological facet available to them. Media manipulation, character assassinations, voter fraud, community organizing for two years to psychologically pump up and USE the blacks and disparaged as pawns in this campaign,white racist shame and guilt, activist church associations, ACLU, NAACP, Democratic party corruption, Acorn manipulation, abortion activists, and there's no telling who has actually bought and is handling this position for O. This is just what we have seen so far. There's probably much more that we have not seen.
Now, After this assault which has been brewing for two years, Can you see the Republicans, conservative Americans, pandering to this lot I just described? NO! The Republicans have run an honorable and astringent campaign and have left US the citizens to throw the dirt for them. Where WE as individuals have all behind in the learning curve is that IF we had known much earlier in this campaign that that is what we were expected to do, we could have dug into material before the access to it was shut in our faces. We are dealing with the best of worst in propaganda and suppression here. It's been required to get Obama into this position. It's why we have little to No information on him. Just What They Want Us to Know.

507 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:35pm

re: #443 ArmyWife

Hey, anyone been here? Stealbackyourvote.org
Sent via moonbat Vermont in-laws. They love me, have I mentioned that lately?

Aw jeez. Supposed "investigative journalist" Greg Palast and RFK Jr.

508 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:08pm

re: #477 Spare O'Lake

The holocaust is not something that Jews try to forget. And my feelings are not important and I apologize for displaying them.
The Jews in Hitler's ghettoes and concentration camps were unarmed, starving, sick and helpless. Almost all were slaughtered without any possibility of resistance.
So when one accuses Jews who vote Dem of being like those helpless Jews in the death camps, I think that is a very cheap shot.
If one wishes to use cheap shots to make a point then that is one's right - but don't expect it to be meekly accepted.

You certainly owe no apology to me or anyone. You obviously have a right to your feelings and the expression of them. I must admit that those in the United States now have many options of resistance. The Jewish people of the 1930's and 40's had few to none. Many of us would like to expand their options today rather than curtail them, as we feel may happen if radical Islam is strengthened by U.S. support.

509 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:16pm
510 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:52pm

re: #507 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Right. With that investigative journalistic mag the Rolling Stone. This is my hell.

511 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:44pm
512 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:50:16pm

re: #497 Spare O'Lake

Oh really?

Yes, really. If I am mistaken - examples?

513 talon_262  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:31pm

re: #354 Opinionated

You just don't get it do you?

Do you believe Obama is a Socialist? Do you believe he is bad for America?

Then instead of concentrating on the Jews, who will not determine anything, ask why Obama will win Washington State? And Wisconsin? and every other State where Jews are insignificant?

Are you of the opinion that Jews are supposed to be so much smarter then everyone else that they should recognise the Obama danger while their fellow non Jewish citizens should not?

Try to figure out why tens of millions of non Jews are voting for Obama. When you do, let me know.

It's simple...when it comes to politics, most people are apathetic, greedy, and dumb. They're willing to vote against their (and, ultimately, the country's) best interests, all because they're too stupid to reject NObama's cult of personality and the "free" stuff he wants to give them.

To paraphrase Emperor Palpatine from Return of the Jedi, the conversion of the majority of the American public to the liberal "dark side" is nearly complete...I pray that we are still able to turn the tide before it really is too late for our governmental experiment to be able to survive.

/hopeful McCain/Palin early voter

514 zombie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:53pm

Actually, starting at about 0:50 in the video, the exact transcript is:

"Fuck goddamn Joe the goddamn Plumber! I want Joe the mutherfuckin' Plumber dead!"

515 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:11pm

re: #511 sattv4u2

Agree. Sorry.

516 notutopia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:54:10pm

re: #514 zombie

Zombie, The FCC rules are enough to warrant that this is grounds for the removal of this stations license. This is a death threat.

517 guzziguy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:56:25pm

Since we're discussing family voting late in this thread, here's my resume.
Wife, two daughters and the girl's husbands are all voting Johnny Mac, as will I. Both girls and both their husbands survived college educations with traditional values in place.

Dad is very pleased.

One other small item. If you are in the Houston, Tx area and listen to Christian radio, you know my son-in-law.

518 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:02pm

re: #516 notutopia

Zombie, The FCC rules are enough to warrant that this is grounds for the removal of this stations license. This is a death threat.

Was it actually on the air or was it in-studio audio recorded by somebody? If it went over the air, it's a violation for the station and the "fleeting expletive" ruling won't cover it. It's a big fine.

519 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:02:40pm

re: #411 albusteve

And I'm from South Haven! LOL!

520 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:27pm

Here's the form for electronically filing FCC complaints about indecent broadcasts.

521 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:28pm

re: #512 legalpad

Don't bother...this guy is insane

522 Aviator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:05pm

re: #519 Macker

And I'm from South Haven! LOL!

And I'm from just a bit further north.

523 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:34pm

re: #508 legalpad

I must admit that those in the United States now have many options of resistance. The Jewish people of the 1930's and 40's had few to none. Many of us would like to expand their options today rather than curtail them, as we feel may happen if radical Islam is strengthened by U.S. support.

Thank you for that.
Anyone, regardless of race or religion, who votes for Obama will probably live to rue their decision.
Jewish support for Obama is no more or less mysterious than Christian support. I believe that Jewish-Americans, like Christian-Americans, are Americans first.
Islamofascism is the enemy.
I am a Canadian and we just re-elected a conservative, pro-Jewish, pro-Israeli Prime Minister and national government.
I fervently hope Americans have the sense to elect McCain.

524 Judge Bean  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:17:07pm

re: 506

Thanks for the comments. John McCain is honorable guy, even if I do think that he is "Democrat lite" - he sat down and talked to them about switching sides at one time, for pete's sake. ( My whole family has already early voted for him.) Rush Limbaugh had a funny observation a while back - he said that "We conservatives are already screwed in this election." McCain would have not been my choice for candidate, but at this time he is all we have to try to thwart Obama, who is without a doubt the most left wing candidate ever to run for president. It is amazing, but not surprising, what the media has let Obama get away with. I will be happy sometime in the future when I can go to the polls and finally not have to hold my nose when I vote.

525 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:18:15pm

re: #523 Spare O'Lake

I think you should vote for Obama. He too attempts to curtail Free Speech. You can't live in a Democracy and not expect to be offended. Even if it's because you completely misunderstand a post.

526 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:19:12pm

re: #512 legalpad

Don't you see that every time someone goes to the trouble of posting their wonderment at how it is possible that any Jew can support Obama, they are singling out Jews?
It is as simple as that.

527 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:24:29pm

No. I'm singling out you. You are paranoid, delusional and obsessed with your own victimhood. Get a hobby.

528 talon_262  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:25:09pm

re: #509 notutopia

WTF!?!?!?

I don't know if you were trying to be a jerk with that steaming pile you posted, but it's been duly reported to Stinky for cleanup...

529 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:07pm

re: #525 surrounded

I think you should vote for Obama. He too attempts to curtail Free Speech. You can't live in a Democracy and not expect to be offended. Even if it's because you completely misunderstand a post.

You already sent me to Cuba and my good friend Castro won't let me./
You don't know me at all.

530 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:30:49pm

re: #460 Killer Tomato

Thank you so much for your report! I would have loved to have been there. Do you have a link to your photos?

531 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:34:19pm

re: #527 surrounded

No. I'm singling out you. You are paranoid, delusional and obsessed with your own victimhood. Get a hobby.

I am thankful that your impotent rage is directed only at me and not at my people.
Schmuck.

532 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:35:19pm

re: #428 surrounded

keep in mind, they will have a super-majority combined with the Presidency and what they believe to be a mandate from the people.

surrounded -

Mandate from "the people" my arse. I see them more in the Imperial Chinese Mode - more or less claiming a "Mandate of Heaven" for the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayres - our own Manchurian Candidate.

In which case - Heil, Heil - Right in Der Fuhrer's Face (Bronx Cheer) - With all due apologies to Spike Jones.

-S-

533 surrounded  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:37:29pm

re: #531 Spare O'Lake

It's telling that you interpret my comments as rage...directed at you. You have proven my point.

534 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:47:05pm

re: #523 Spare O'Lake

"Sparrow" -

Me too - AND - congratulations on "Re-Electing" PM Harper. Without economic difficulties, he might have won a Majority. The "Grit" leader in the late election seemed to have an intelligence slightly north of LINT - at least in English, perhaps he was better in French. Disclaimer - I am distantly related to Pierre Saada, as I also am to Gilad Shalit.

-S-

535 pbird  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:56:12pm

re: #196 debutaunt

I don't understand what turned Carter into the slime he is now.

Senile dementia or moderately early Alsheimers.

536 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:46pm

re: #534 Dr. Shalit

"Sparrow" -

Me too - AND - congratulations on "Re-Electing" PM Harper. Without economic difficulties, he might have won a Majority. The "Grit" leader in the late election seemed to have an intelligence slightly north of LINT - at least in English, perhaps he was better in French. Disclaimer - I am distantly related to Pierre Saada, as I also am to Gilad Shalit.

-S-

Dion was a great fighter for the federalist cause against the Quebec separatists, and for that he deserves credit.
He was never PM material. Dion showed very little political savvy and half the time noone outside of Quebec could understand his mangled English.
You have some interesting relatives - glad to know you.

537 Ledger1  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:19:07pm

CNN Reporter:

President Obama, er, Senator Obama, just a slip on my part, how do you propose to fund the “Department of Peace” and the “National Citizen’s Army” and how will you reduce the Military.

Obama: I start with the last one first. I will slash the Military’s pay across the board. That dry-up military recruiting.

Next, I will order them turn-over their guns to Bill Ayers. I will reissue them toy guys so no more wedding party goers and babies will be killed.

With the counsel of my good friend Rashid Khalidi, we will send them on peaceful missions armed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to kick start the negotiations with no preconditions.

Rashid Khalidi knows all the top men in the PLO and knows the lay of the land.

Sure, we will be “tested” with set-backs akin to the Beirut Bombing where 241 were kill [1] and the Bomb Attack on U.S. Diplomats in the Gaza Strip, October 15, 2003 [2] where three died – that’s another way of reducing the Military.

Sending the Military on peaceful missions stripped of any chance of defending themselves should thin out the ranks quickly.

And, If have to I will send my Nation Citizens Army headed by Bill Ayers to deal with some of the more difficult members of the military. Bill has vast experience with bombs and the military. I trust him to do the right thing.

Look, my record shows have voted against the war from the start. We are spending billions on illegal and non-French Sanctioned war when that money could go into my pocket or buying more votes via fresh social programs to rehabilitate people. Just look what it has done for Bill Ayers!

Now, I would not mind invading Pakistan. That drug dealer of mine still owes me five Thia sticks!

CNN: My colleges in the Press Endorse you 100%! And, if you needs us ACORN up the Polls or to destroy the reputation of sod busters like "Joe The Plumber" we would be more than happy to oblige!

It has been a honor to speak with President Obama, er, Senator Obama.


[1]
The explosion and fireball pulverized the concrete fortress, killing 241 U.S. service members, most of them Marines. A second blast minutes later at the compound of the French peacekeeping force killed 58 more Western troops.

See Beirut bombing

[2]
Bomb Attack on U.S. Diplomats in the Gaza Strip, October 15, 2003: A remote-controlled bomb exploded under a car in a U.S. diplomatic convoy passing through the northern Gaza Strip. Three security guards, all employees of DynCorp, were killed. A fourth was wounded. The diplomats were on their way to interview Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships to study in the United States.

See: counter intelligence

538 pbird  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:15pm

re: #492 TheMatrix31

Look at the photo that Drudge currently has up of Obama...

Messi-uh

Oh please...

539 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:30pm

From the 1st link above,

Khalidi later broke with Arafat, but like him, he remains a bundle of ambiguities and incongruities, many of them deliberately constructed. He's much too elusive for any passing journalist to pin down. Rashid Khalidi becomes what people wish him to be. Perhaps that's yet another way in which he and Barack Obama are kindred spirits.

Interesting comparison, no?

540 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:37pm

re: #407 wolfie

"Funding at the classroom level." Do es that mean more of the federal take-over of education or returning control (and funding) to a local level?

Instead of funding being distributed via the school district, funding is sent directly to individual schools based on what each teacher needs to properly instruct. So, yes, more local control.

541 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:43pm

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

Don't you see that every time someone goes to the trouble of posting their wonderment at how it is possible that any Jew can support Obama, they are singling out Jews?
It is as simple as that.

Uh - well, that would mean that anytime we talk about anyone - any group, any individual - on any subject - we are "singling them out". So, what, we can never talk about Jews or we are "singling them out"? Should we only speak of them as if they were part of a larger set of people? With all due respect, Spare, that's crazy. Everybody gets discussed at one point or another - so we are all "singled out".

Real singling out is to discuss them in a way no one else is discussed. To give them a set of standards or criteria no one else has to meet. That has not happened here and you know it. I have had occasion to talk to actual paranoids before, who couldn't shake the suspicion that I was in the CIA no matter the evidence. You seem to be moving in that direction.

542 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:44pm

re: #527 surrounded

Apparently if you talk to him you are singling him out.

543 Colin Nelson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:07:16am

Excellent research well presented Mr. Karmer. For anyone who studies how things work in the ME, there is no doubt about Khalidi's role with respect to the PLO at that point in time.
However, to play devils advocate: suppose for a moment he was not "an official PLO spokesperson" . What then are we to make of the many references by respected journalists to his role?
At best whatever he was doing was murky, confusing and quite unclear to us now. What we do know is that he was not an advocate for the Israeli positions. It thus begs the question - why does so much evidence point in a certain direction yet that evidence is denied in such a vigorous fashion, or, in the LA Times case withheld citing 'source agreements'?
As with too many of Barry Hussein's associates we are left with anything but a clear picture.
This does not bode well for a (possible) future BHO presidency.


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