Dissenting Designer Dissed

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Politics • Sun Nov 2, 2008 at 8:40 pm PST • Views: 251

Noted designer Andy Rutledge went off the reservation, dared to imagine a redesign of the USA.gov website under an Obama administration, and discovered the true meaning of dissent: The Design of (the wrong sort of) Dissent.

I often read about and hear about how designers must have the courage to speak truth to power and how political dissent is one pillar of patriotism. These are tenets I firmly believe in, by the way. But I also find laughable the way many designers think they’re speaking truth to power by creating or showcasing design examples of Leftist political dissent, in books, in magazines, and on personal websites and blogs. I’m struck by the vacuity of how anyone in the design community can believe it takes courage to do these things when there is zero chance of suffering any negative consequences for doing so.

Not a single designer who expresses Leftist political dissent is in danger of anything more than trumpeted support from his peers because of it. No designer who expresses Leftist political dissent is in any danger of being ostracized by the members or administration of any design organization, or by fellow students, or by design school professors. In fact most designers I know work to ensure that they live with, work with, go to school with, and interact with no one but other Leftists. Social fetish and safety in numbers are principles that designers seem to learn before anything else.

So tell me again: in what way is Leftist design dissent courageous? And how is it in any way speaking truth to power? It’s not. It’s simply the cliché repetition of mantra to the in-crowd. Courage plays no part in it. A designer who creates a Left-centric, anti-conservative design message is doing nothing more than the requisite ritual of euphemistically “donning the uniform” to show the rest of the designers, “see, I’m just like all of you!” Courageous? Hardly.
What a designer must not do, apparently, is put forth dissent that runs counter to the majority opinion. Dissent, it seems, is only valid and admirable as such when it’s associated with what everyone else is doing. Today’s courageous designer is the one who goes with the flow and follows the pack. Fall out of lock-step, however, and you’re no longer a courageous dissenter, you’re just an asshole (or worse).

Leftist designers have been “dissenting” in the safe cocoon of their monochrome clique for so long that they’ve apparently forgotten what dissent is.

Last month I and many others were treated to an interesting lesson about design dissent and about how designers offer-up and regard criticism. We learned that the idea that designers respect and value dissent is a false one. We learned that the idea of political dissent being the duty of a designer-citizen is a fallacy. The vast majority of designers apparently do not hold with these supposedly foundational ideals. No, in a striking example of hypocrisy, the majority of the design community apparently holds far more strongly to the idea that dissenting views must be squashed and criticized in the foulest manner possible.

Welcome to my world, Andy.

(Hat tip: Art Rogue.)

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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:43:08pm
Leftist designers have been “dissenting” in the safe cocoon of their monochrome clique for so long that they’ve apparently forgotten what dissent is.

You're not just whistling Dixie, Brother.

2 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:43:39pm

It is too bad that we have come to this. It seems that dissent is not a virtue to the left, it is just something that must be squashed. And they say they are "progressive" when rather, they are "repressive".

pigs

3 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:47pm

Everyone in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourselves.
- Frank Zappa

4 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:47pm

Leftie tolerance = oxymoron.

5 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:42pm

repost from downstairs -- of course, I just got here and Charles add's a new post. LOL

"Hello Night Lizards! It was a wonderful day in Near Iowa today, then it got dark early

Are there any rules about posting a graphic directly into the comments sections? --I dont' have a link, only the graphic itself. It's a funny cartoon. At least, I think it's funny.

So, what are we taking about and how the h@ll are you-all tonite?"

Now, I'll read that post.

6 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:46pm

"When everyone thinks the same, no one is thinking"

7 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:52pm

yep.

Join FBLA, and wear a jacket and tie at almost any high school in a major metropolitan area. 1000 little patchouli wearing dope smoking che worshiping dirbags will jump you shit for being a conformist.

8 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:46:06pm

welcome to the insurgency brother.

9 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:46:24pm

Dissing the Dissent...

Coming soon all around you...

/they know better then we do...they really do...?

10 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:18pm

Dissent = walking in lefty lock-step
Freedom = Slavery
War = Peace

11 RTLM  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:39pm

Hello Andy, welcome to Stalinville.

12 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:48:23pm

Obama=Crazy

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:10pm

re: #12 non-lib Nina

Supporting Obama=Crazy

fixed.

14 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:50:12pm

If things don't break the right way on Tuesday, we'll be the ones walking around saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." But I draw the line at papier-mâché.

15 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:50:40pm

So, supporting McCain is cool right? Because he is the underdog and Obama is the one everyone really likes.

Radical, dudes!

16 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:41pm

How is it that a person that came close to committing treason (Kerry - soldiers they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads...) and now a lifelong Marxist can garner 49% or more of the US Presidential vote?

Even if McCain wins, there is work to do.

17 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:51pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Supporting Obama=Crazy

fixed.

fixed again.

18 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:57pm

Well, considering the quality of the responses . . .

19 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:58pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

fixed.

Thanks!

20 snowcrash  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:02pm

I liked the red socialist dictator style in the new design. It is truthful and appropriate. Humorous too.

21 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:09pm

re: #14 Who Watches the Watchmen?

If things don't break the right way on Tuesday, we'll be the ones walking around saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." But I draw the line at papier-mâché.

no street puppets, cmon. do we at least get to put duct tape on our mouths?

would that they were ever really silenced. martin sheen...bah

22 exredtory  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:39pm

As W.F. Buckley so well put it, liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other points of view, then are shocked and offended to find there are other points of view.

23 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:07pm

The arrogance of rich leftists and the gullible hoards that adore them is only surpassed by Obama's ego.

24 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:14pm

re: #22 exredtory

As W.F. Buckley so well put it, liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other points of view, then are shocked and offended to find there are other points of view.

So they were like that in Buckley's time too, huh?

25 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:37pm

re: #20 snowcrash

I liked the red socialist dictator style in the new design. It is truthful and appropriate. Humorous too.

Check the yellow-highlighted text below the thumbnail shot.

26 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:41pm

re: #15 Racer X

Humor?

27 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:32pm

There is no accounting for taste.

28 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:52pm

Remember,

When the right is in power dissent is patriotic.

When the left is in power dissent is seditious.

29 famousmortimer78  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:53pm

Welcome to eight years ago, Andy. At least you figured it out eventually.

30 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:07pm
Social fetish and safety in numbers are principles that designers seem to learn before anything else.

I thought nerds were loners!
//

31 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:11pm

re: #24 Last Mohican

So they were like that in Buckley's time too, huh?

"Buckley's time" ended only a few months ago.

32 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:19pm

re: #26 non-lib Nina

Humor?

Evidently not.

LOL!

33 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:16pm

re: #32 Racer X

;)

34 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:25pm

re: #22 exredtory

As W.F. Buckley so well put it, liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other points of view, then are shocked and offended to find there are other points of view.

last part of this

Well, I can't deal with them. Get outta here. I'm going over here to the left side, to be with all these loony lefty liberal people. And there's the crew, a bunch of bong smoking, America bashing, flag burning, yoga posing, incense burning, dolphin saving, salmon eating hypocrites. There they are, there's the crew. These are the sensitive liberal people who are always yelling about everybody's freedom of speech and expression ... unless you happen to say something that pisses them off! Then they can't wait to tie your ass to the back bumper of a Toyota hybrid and drag you to the Berkeley campus and drop your carcass in front of the Fidel Castro Building for the Continuing Study of Why America Sucks. Lunatics!
35 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:30pm

re: #2 lone_wolf_in_illinois

It is too bad that we have come to this. It seems that dissent is not a virtue to the left, it is just something that must be squashed. And they say they are "progressive" when rather, they are "repressive".

pigs

We have come to this?

It seems?

Dissent is not a virtue to the left, it NEVER WAS from the beginning (wasn't it a guy named Bronstein who got an axe in the head for dissent from the Party Line?). They have always been repressive; "postmodernism" is in fact prehistoricism revisited.

If it were between the monarchy we threw off in the Declaration of Independence and today's Left, I'd take ol' George III anytime.

At least he had culture.

36 wales  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:41pm

sheesh. The new site has a red star and a Dear Leaders face screaming. So... does this mean he plans a reeeally long stay in the White House. Or they have to change it every 8 years. Sick stuff. This is scary stuff. This guy is a megalomaniac! It's all about him. It's the people's country you shmuck, not yours!

37 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:48pm

Here it is full size

This is a work of genius.

38 snowcrash  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:47pm

re: #25 victor_yugo

Check the yellow-highlighted text below the thumbnail shot.


Well crap. I have no reading comprehension. I take the humorous comment back. Yuck all apologies.

39 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #31 victor_yugo

"Buckley's time" ended only a few months ago.

True. Somehow I always associate his writing and speaking with the fifties and sixties. Apparently he did his last "Firing Line" in 1999.

40 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:10pm

Links for:
- report someone who is making too much money
- apply for permission to visit a doctor

41 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:42pm

re: #16 faraway

How is it that a person that came close to committing treason (Kerry - soldiers they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads...) and now a lifelong Marxist can garner 49% or more of the US Presidential vote?

Even if McCain wins, there is work to do.

We need accept the fact that the mishandling of the war was the cause for Bambi's initial rise to power (his winning the nomination), then the mishandling of the campaign immediately following the financial crisis (supporting the bailout) was the cause for this potential loss. The folks are merely voting out of fear and uncertainty, and Bambi provides them hope.

42 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:00:01pm

re: #35 erisldysnomia

I agree wholeheartedly!

43 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:00:17pm
What a designer must not do, apparently, is put forth dissent that runs counter to the majority opinion. Dissent, it seems, is only valid and admirable as such when it’s associated with what everyone else is doing.

To the leftists, "dissent" is conforming to their ideals. Anyone who truly dissents from those views isn't dissenting at all- they are traitors to the leftist ideal. And in the finest traditions of the left, the true dissenter is treated much like they were under the governments formed by that ideal- sent to a proverbial Serbia.

44 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:31pm

re: #16 faraway

How is it that a person that came close to committing treason (Kerry - soldiers they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads...) and now a lifelong Marxist can garner 49% or more of the US Presidential vote?

Even if McCain wins, there is work to do.

You are darn right. Task list:

1. End the Last War of the Soviet Union, a.k.a. the leftist inflitration of Western culture they & others started.
2. End MSM hegemony and service as a propaganda tool of the left. In fact, end the MSM as it now exists.
3. End academia's service as a propaganda tool and spawning ground of the left
4. End government's service as the strong arm of the left.
5. Replace leftism with some "antidote ideology" that leftists will like, and that will render them harmless to Western civilization. I dunno, perhaps dedication to logic a.k.a. as here?

45 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:38pm
We learned that the idea that designers respect and value dissent is a false one.

It is the same in architecture; in the "art" world of architecture, it is group think.

But instead, I think the truth is what Antonio Gaudi said:

"Originality is a return to the Origin."
Sagrada Famaglia (still a-building). Gaudi.

Good Night All.

46 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

To the leftists, "dissent" is conforming to their ideals. Anyone who truly dissents from those views isn't dissenting at all- they are traitors to the leftist ideal. And in the finest traditions of the left, the true dissenter is treated much like they were under the governments formed by that ideal- sent to a proverbial Serbia.

To the leftists, "dissent" is not really liking chardonnay all that much

47 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:08pm

re: #35 erisldysnomia

That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

-C.S. Lewis

48 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:42pm

Conservative dissent is like that tree that falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it. The Left ensures that it makes no sound at all.

Sorta sums up the MSM and Obama during this whole campaign.

49 ConservativeAtheist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:11pm

re: #37 faraway

Here it is full size

This is a work of genius.

Beautiful parody. Let's hope it stays that way!

50 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:23pm

re: #41 unrealizedviewpoint

We need accept the fact that the mishandling of the war was the cause for Bambi's initial rise to power (his winning the nomination), then the mishandling of the campaign immediately following the financial crisis (supporting the bailout) was the cause for this potential loss. The folks are merely voting out of fear and uncertainty, and Bambi provides them hope.

If the Marxist Messiah passes the union card check and makes citizens (read voters) of the 20+ million illegals, we are deep doodoo.

Any Dem will get elected for the next 20 years.

51 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:26pm

"Report someone who is making too much money"

LOL (Yeah, I know - I might not be laughing a year from now.)

52 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:41pm

re: #6 solomonpanting

"When everyone thinks the same, no one is thinking"

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking"

-General George S. Patton Jr.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:05:23pm

Left ankle pain is now intense. I need to elevate my leg to alleviate the pain. Maybe back later.

54 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:05:23pm

re: #41 unrealizedviewpoint

We need accept the fact that the mishandling of the war was the cause for Bambi's initial rise to power (his winning the nomination), then the mishandling of the campaign immediately following the financial crisis (supporting the bailout) was the cause for this potential loss. The folks are merely voting out of fear and uncertainty, and Bambi provides them hope.

They're voting for the free stuff they think they're going to get.

55 stuiec  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:05:43pm

re: #35 erisldysnomia

We have come to this?

It seems?

Dissent is not a virtue to the left, it NEVER WAS from the beginning (wasn't it a guy named Bronstein who got an axe in the head for dissent from the Party Line?). They have always been repressive; "postmodernism" is in fact prehistoricism revisited.

If it were between the monarchy we threw off in the Declaration of Independence and today's Left, I'd take ol' George III anytime.

At least he had culture.

Excellent book: The Dark Side of the Left: Illiberal Egalitarianism in America.

From Publishers Weekly
In his second paragraph, Ellis quickly points out that he is a lifelong Democrat, a "card-carrying member" of the ACLU, an environmentalist, a supporter of women's rights and a federalist. If it seems rather defensive, that is, in some way, the point of his book. Here, Ellis (American Political Cultures) offers a provocative critique of left-wing movements from 19th-century utopians to abolitionists to the old left of the inter-war era, to the New Left of the Vietnam era and, finally, to contemporary radical feminists like Catharine MacKinnon and certain environmental activists. Through an examination of speeches, books and articles, Ellis tries to document how varied ideologues abandoned their egalitarian principles in favor of rigid political correctness, sometimes slipping into violence and elitism. At root, Ellis sees a tendency to romanticize "the People" -- "those powerful, natural persons whose heroism needs no drug of fame or applause to enable them to continue: those humble, mighty parts of the mass," to quote American Communist Michael Gold -- while, to quote Gold again, denigrating "the simple souls who save their money, plod to offices, and plan college careers for their children."

56 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:13pm

re: #37 faraway

Here it is full size

This is a work of genius.

ABSOLUTE WORK OF PURE GENIUS.

57 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:15pm

re: #44 erisldysnomia

You are darn right. Task list:

1. End the Last War of the Soviet Union, a.k.a. the leftist inflitration of Western culture they & others started.
2. End MSM hegemony and service as a propaganda tool of the left. In fact, end the MSM as it now exists.
3. End academia's service as a propaganda tool and spawning ground of the left
4. End government's service as the strong arm of the left.
5. Replace leftism with some "antidote ideology" that leftists will like, and that will render them harmless to Western civilization. I dunno, perhaps dedication to logic a.k.a. as here?

I nominate you as leader. What do we do now swami?

58 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:50pm

A liberal friend said the other day "Conservative is the new liberal."

59 Captkirk35  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:57pm

OMG

Home run. Grand slam. Woodshed beating.. Andy hits the nail squarely on the head here.

60 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:07:23pm

re: #54 ciaospirit

They're voting for the free stuff they think they're going to get.

Well, yes. As I've read here many a time.
Lefty just wants free stuff.

61 ConservativeAtheist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:07:23pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Left ankle pain is now intense. I need to elevate my leg to alleviate the pain. Maybe back later.

Just listen to an Obama speech, and maybe it will just turn into a tingle. Seriously though, hope you're feeling better soon.

62 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:07:43pm

I remember when I was 25 and hanging out with some of the local "artists" and they had an "art" show that displayed their lack of talant and reasoning abilities. The Animal control people made an appearance and removed one "art" piece that involved shocking caged chickens. Some seriously disturbed people mates!

63 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:28pm

I'm very sorry, but...

I have great difficulty believing that a significantly greater number of Americans will vote for Obama then voted for Kerry.

I'm sorry, but I really do.

64 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:29pm

re: #57 faraway

Can we change the current HS curriculum to include Classical Studies? Latin, Logic, Rhetoric?

And some basic Home Economics for all genders?

65 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:47pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Hope it gets better Falcon.

66 DisgustingOratory  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:07pm

// Dissent is racist

67 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:45pm

re: #54 ciaospirit

They're voting for the free stuff they think they're going to get.

He is smart.

Blacks get their black president.

White liberals get their black president - but for different reasons.

Poor folks get their free money.

Like minded marxists get their comrade.

Turncoat former conservatives get to go to a few DC parties for the next 4 years.

68 mattm  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:50pm

re: #2 lone_wolf_in_illinois

It is too bad that we have come to this. It seems that dissent is not a virtue to the left, it is just something that must be squashed. And they say they are "progressive" when rather, they are "repressive".

pigs

I usually call them regressives.

69 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:09pm

re: #63 erisldysnomia

I'm very sorry, but...

I have great difficulty believing that a significantly greater number of Americans will vote for Obama than voted for Kerry.

I'm sorry, but I really do.

PIYF.

70 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:30pm

At what point in recent history was it decided that life wasn't suppossed to be hard?

71 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:05pm

1968

72 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:21pm

re: #60 unrealizedviewpoint

Well, yes. As I've read here many a time.
Lefty just wants free stuff.

I've interviewed Obama supporters and that's what the give as their reason for supporting him.

73 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:27pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Sorry to hear about this. What happened? Hope it stops happening soon.

74 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:27pm

re: #52 Yankee Division Son

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking"

-General George S. Patton Jr.

Thanks for that. I heard that John Wooden used that while coaching.

75 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:32pm

re: #71 Tarkus289

ah!

76 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:34pm

Well I have certainly never suffered the slings and arrows that Charles or Andy have, at least not in the quantity that they have, but I've seen this conformist "non-conformist" behavior before and in all types of situations - not unlike those described by Frank Zappa!
It is simply TOO EASY to swim with the tide alongside your peers and waay too hard to swim against that tide. But I'm proud and grateful that Charles has done so.
And, thanks to the information provided by Charles and by commenter's here, after working diligently and discretely, as I posted toward the end of the prior thread, I've convinced 17 people to vote for McCain today and tonight - yep 17 genuine fence sitters! I'm exhausted.
Don't ask how - but I have and none of them have voted early, although half do live in Blue States!

Thanks again for all that you do Charles and thanks again for this great community of littlegreenfootballs!

77 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:48pm

re: #62 LoFlyer

Went to a "performance" art festival back at the beginning of October. My overall thoughts was "this is garbage", and yes most of it was literally garbage.

/blog pimping, I wrote a review with pictures on it. click my nic to see what I am talking about.

78 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:51pm

re: #70 ggt

At what point in recent history was it decided that life wasn't suppossed to be hard?

I think it was Immanuel Kant and Karl Marx whose combined ideas started that belief.

79 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:06pm

re: #20 snowcrash

I liked the red socialist dictator style in the new design. It is truthful and appropriate. Humorous too.

On an international scale, he will replace our trusted stars and stripes with the traditional French battle flag, a large white bar flanked by two large white bars. We will be stuck with the UN ru(i)nning our nation as well.

80 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:08pm

re: #63 erisldysnomia

I'm very sorry, but...

I have great difficulty believing that a significantly greater number of Americans will vote for Obama then voted for Kerry.

I'm sorry, but I really do.

And I would expect a greater number to vote against Obama than voted against Kerry.

I guess we'll see in 2 days.

81 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:14pm

re: #78 gmsc

I think it was Immanuel Kant and Karl Marx whose combined ideas started that belief.

The Buddha knew beddah.

82 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:23pm

re: #76 realwest

That is great news. I have convinced about six, plus one or two possibles.

83 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:27pm

Hey, maybe Sirhan Sirhan will be pardoned in Feb 2009. Part of the First 100 Days Plan.

I sincerely believe that if Robert Kennedy were alive today, I believe he would not countenance singling me out for this kind of treatment. I think he would be among the first to say that, however horrible the deed I committed 14 years ago was, that it should not be the cause for denying me equal treatment under the laws of this country

84 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:28pm

re: #72 ciaospirit

I've interviewed Obama supporters and that's what the give as their reason for supporting him.

I know that mind. I know how it works. It has no shame.

85 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:30pm

re: #57 faraway

I nominate you as leader. What do we do now swami?

Start by organizing protests at MSM headquarters - NYT, LAT, etc. accompanied by very vocal, publicized campaigns involving tens of thousands of enraged conservatives and honest middle of the roaders (at first) to boycott any and all who place ads with them.

As I've said before here, the root cause of our problems is the MSM - via a lack of truthful information to the masses. We have both errors of commission and of omission. A republic cannot exist under such conditions.

If everyone was exposed to a broad factual account of the news on a daily basis, this election would be something like 90-10 (the latter figure accounting for the fact that there are always those who are stupid or self-destructive).

86 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:42pm

re: #71 Tarkus289

1968

Feb 8th was,t it? Cold that day if I recall.

87 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:54pm

re: #39 Last Mohican

True. Somehow I always associate his writing and speaking with the fifties and sixties. Apparently he did his last "Firing Line" in 1999.

If it's any comfort, he epitomizes the great saying:

A man's shadow is longest just after sunrise, and just before sunset.

Just before his sun set, his shadow was long, indeed.

88 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:54pm

re: #76 realwest

Wonderful job in convincing those voters to go with McCain!

89 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:14:01pm

re: #81 Last Mohican

The Buddha knew beddah.

don't like his solution

90 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:14:05pm

re: #78 gmsc

the chair guy? Kant?

hmmm, some memory in my brain is awakening. I think it has to do with Ayn Rand and Kant. She hated him, IIRC.

91 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:14:25pm

re: #81 Last Mohican

The Buddha knew beddah.

Kant lived up to his name.
;)

92 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:14:49pm

The left is the establishment, and has been for awhile. When you mow your lawn or salute a flag, you are really "sticking it to the man."

93 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:15:37pm

re: #69 gmsc

PIYF.

why PIYF?

94 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:15:39pm
95 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:15:45pm

Finally got to the end of the end of the essay. Loved this line.

Many designers revealed much about themselves in this episode and I’m sorry to say that very little character was revealed.

*snicker*

96 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:16:10pm

re: #76 realwest

Thanks again for all that you do Charles and thanks again for this great community of littlegreenfootballs!

Ditto. Thanks Charles.
This place makes this election bearable.
It looks good from here only I'm afraid.
I think I'll hang out till it's over.

97 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:16:41pm

re: #74 solomonpanting

Perhaps he did. Your version just reminded me of that Patton quote...

98 Dolphin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:16:42pm

re: #76 realwest

Is your computer fixed? I have one (laptop - not great, but works), that I will send you tomorrow (overnight) if not. Let me know ASAP because I won't be up too much longer.

99 bosforus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:16:47pm

Everyone is different - just like everyone else.

100 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:11pm

re: #80 Spirit93

And I would expect a greater number to vote against Obama than voted against Kerry.

I guess we'll see in 2 days.

Absolutely. It's weird, isn't it? I personally would take eight years of Kerry over four years of Obama. And a Hillary presidency sounds pretty appealing to me at this point. A run-of-the-mill liberal politician... some run-of-the-mill mild leftward leaning on the part of the media... that would be a welcome deliverance from this dystopian hell.

101 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:15pm

re: #92 Thanos

The left is the establishment, and has been for awhile. When you mow your lawn or salute a flag, you are really "sticking it to the man."

used to have an "armed with pride" NRA baseball cap to wear when I was feeling hostile toward my NW Portland neighbors. think my wife threw it out.

102 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:28pm

re: #93 erisldysnomia

why PIYF?

You wrote:

I'm very sorry, but...

I have great difficulty believing that a significantly greater number of Americans will vote for Obama then voted for Kerry.

I'm sorry, but I really do.


That should be "than", not "then", unless you're talking about people who are voting for 0bama first, then Kerry.

103 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:34pm

Anyone know why I got PIYF at #69?

104 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:36pm

re: #92 Thanos

The left is the establishment, and has been for awhile. When you mow your lawn or salute a flag, you are really "sticking it to the man."

See. It's stuff like this that makes me smile.

105 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:18:28pm
106 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:18:43pm

re: #82 Tarkus289
and
re: #88 Adina in Judea

Thanks to each of you but it was actually easier (though it also took a LOT longer cause none of them have read LGF - YET! - and I had to painstakingly go over a lot of stuff with them - but the information I got through to them all came from LGF!
It's not too late; I think we ARE going to win and we all just need to convince one (more would be better!) person to vote for McCain!

107 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:18:45pm

re: #85 erisldysnomia


As I've said before here, the root cause of our problems is the MSM - via a lack of truthful information to the masses.

We don't have a single right-wing news channel.

Don't even think of convincing me that Fox is right wing. They didn't do any significant investigative work on Obama. Not a single feature piece on Obama's communist upbringing. Why isnt Fox camped out at the LA Times? Columbia? Indonesia? College friends? Nothing.

108 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:19:11pm

re: #102 gmsc

That should be "than", not "then", unless you're talking about people who are voting for 0bama first, then Kerry.

OIC.

How much did Kerry lose by in '04, anyone have the figures?

109 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:19:44pm

re: #103 erisldysnomia

Anyone know why I got PIYF at #69?

PIYF stands "Preview is your friend". It was the than/then confusion. This has already gone on longer than it should have.

110 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:19:50pm

re: #85 erisldysnomia

The problem with organizing protests with conservatives is that most of have jobs. Unlike most of the left wing protesters, who can at the drop of a dime, go anywhere anytime. This helps them get to those afternoon protests that give the MSM plenty of time to get coverage for the evening news. We could probably still do it, but most of our coverage will have to come through alternative media, and journalists. Thank the good lord above for the internet.

111 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:19:52pm

re: #94 JohnAdams

Sadly, it is very hard to earn a living as an artist. At some point, a person has to get a "real job". That pisses the loser off because they can't, either they don't have the left brain skills (which is often the case, as art is very right brained) or they've ruined their brain with drugs and alcohol.

either way, I'm sure it's Bush's fault.

/

112 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:19:53pm

re: #100 Last Mohican

Damn you Hillary.

113 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:15pm

re: #107 faraway

We don't have a single right-wing news channel.

Don't even think of convincing me that Fox is right wing. They didn't do any significant investigative work on Obama. Not a single feature piece on Obama's communist upbringing. Why isnt Fox camped out at the LA Times? Columbia? Indonesia? College friends? Nothing.

We could even benefit from a "no wing" news station.

The facts, Ma'am. Just the facts.

None left out. None added. None embellished.

Just the facts.

114 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:26pm

re: #100 Last Mohican

Absolutely. It's weird, isn't it? I personally would take eight years of Kerry over four years of Obama. And a Hillary presidency sounds pretty appealing to me at this point. A run-of-the-mill liberal politician... some run-of-the-mill mild leftward leaning on the part of the media... that would be a welcome deliverance from this dystopian hell.

hillary far preferable for that matter. hard left to be sure but I would trust her on national defense. let's hope if BO gets in he's just been goin' along to get along on his rise to the top...doubt it, but hope he's not the elitist luddite marxist nut I'm sure he is

115 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:28pm

re: #108 erisldysnomia

Approximately 4 million votes if my memory serves.

116 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:40pm

re: #108 erisldysnomia

OIC.

How much did Kerry lose by in '04, anyone have the figures?

2 million votes was the # I heard this AM.

117 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:48pm

re: #97 Yankee Division Son

Perhaps he did. Your version just reminded me of that Patton quote...

I suspect that my version is really yours/Patton's, and would make sense that Wooden borrowed it, since his success consisted of the best tools he could use.

118 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:48pm

re: #76 realwest

Good on ya. I am exhausted as well.

119 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:52pm

re: #110 BlueCanuck

The problem with organizing protests with conservatives is that most of have jobs. .

Barry will fix that for ya.

120 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:21:10pm

re: #94 JohnAdams

This is a really stupid comment.

121 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:21:18pm

re: #37 faraway

Here it is full size

This is a work of genius.

I have that image as my desktop now.

I really enjoyed the poll:
I think the rich should pay more income tax
I think the rich are paying almost enough income tax

122 MRL  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:21:29pm

re: #39 Last Mohican

True. Somehow I always associate his writing and speaking with the fifties and sixties. Apparently he did his last "Firing Line" in 1999.

I think that WF Buckley founded National Review in 1955. He was still active in the on line postings until last year, not long before his death.

123 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:21:54pm

re: #119 erisldysnomia

Well maybe it is time to take a few days off, if you know what I mean.

124 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:21:56pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck

Went to a "performance" art festival back at the beginning of October. My overall thoughts was "this is garbage", and yes most of it was literally garbage.

/blog pimping, I wrote a review with pictures on it. click my nic to see what I am talking about.

Yeah I went and checked it out mate! I like the deal with the lights on the building moving, some the other stuff was interesting but like you garbage in = Garbage out!

125 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:22:15pm

As we've passed 100 posts, I'm tossing in a totally OT (topicless, even) picture.

Ocean, cloud, and smoke from distant canyon fire flavored sunset
.

126 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:22:18pm

re: #109 gmsc

PIYF stands "Preview is your friend". It was the than/then confusion. This has already gone on longer than it should have.

Oh...that's not the definition of PIYF I found at the first link here!

127 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:22:44pm

re: #94 JohnAdams
Don't know about your "stats" there JohnAdams, but to the extent you're correct about a disproportionate number of "artists" being homosexual, I think that derives from the fact that many true artists are far more accepting of other folks who are "different" in a lot of ways than many mainstream folks have been, historically.

128 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:22:47pm

re: #108 erisldysnomia

How much did Kerry lose by in '04, anyone have the figures?

Bush won 62,040,610 (50.74% of the vote.)

Kerry won 59,028,444 (48.27% of the vote.)

Bush won by 3, 012,166 votes.

129 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:23:04pm

re: #107 faraway

We don't have a single right-wing news channel.

Don't even think of convincing me that Fox is right wing. They didn't do any significant investigative work on Obama. Not a single feature piece on Obama's communist upbringing. Why isnt Fox camped out at the LA Times? Columbia? Indonesia? College friends? Nothing.

Fox is not on the right. They attempt a pathetic play at being fair. They lost me the night of the last election in 2006 when they were smiling and crowing over the Democrat victories. I saw no evenness there at all.

130 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:23:04pm

re: #108 erisldysnomia

OIC.

How much did Kerry lose by in '04, anyone have the figures?

Bush
Electoral Votes: 286
Popular Votes: 62,040,610 (50.7%)

Kerry
Electoral Votes: 251 (He was pledged 252, but one Minnesotan elector cast his vote for John Edwards for president, even though Edwards was running for vice-president)
Popular Votes: 59,028,444 (48.3%)

131 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:23:39pm

re: #126 erisldysnomia

Oh...that's not the definition of PIYF I found at the first link here!

I looked.

I wonder, has our society really reached a stage at which that phrase is used so often that it needs an abbreviation?

132 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:23:49pm

re: #125 Clemente

Beautiful..

133 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:24:06pm

re: #126 erisldysnomia

Oh...that's not the definition of PIYF I found at the first link here!

Yikes! That's not the one I meant, either! Sorry about the misunderstanding.

134 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:24:14pm

re: #120 Charles

I am surprised it wasn't on the chopping block of posts.

135 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:24:45pm

re: #84 unrealizedviewpoint

I know that mind. I know how it works. It has no shame.

I keep hearing "It's time for the rich to pay their fair share."

I would like to know what their fair share is. If they're already paying between 70 and 80 percent of all federal income taxes, it would be interesting to know how much is "fair"...because I agree. They don't pay their fair share. They pay way more than that.

For the record, I'm not one of those people - but neither do I want them to have to pay my way in life. I didn't earn Bill Gates' money (except for a year I worked at MS, I suppose), and I don't want it.

136 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:24:53pm

re: #58 JohnAdams

A liberal friend said the other day "Conservative is the new liberal."

Very true. Even in here in the 90's in the People's Republic of Maryland, the renegade without a cause types in High School are now mid to late 20s conservatives and right-leaning libertarians. It is becoming 'cool' to be a conservative.

137 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:19pm

I especially liked at the Palin rally when she actually said, "Will you hire us?" She understands that the President and Vice President work for the people, not the other way around.

138 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:26pm

re: #124 LoFlyer

Might have to spend more time at it next year, see if my opinion was wrong. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I wasn't. :)

/good art should be proud to be in the Louvre, and the Louvre should be proud to have it.

139 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:28pm

re: #120 Charles

Innumeracy - it's not just for kids!

/nor bigotry, nor addled reason...

140 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:43pm

re: #98 Dolphin
Thanks but although the Geek Squad weren't able to fix my computer, it's still chugging along!
Thank you for the offer, though!

141 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:58pm

re: #134 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I am surprised it wasn't on the chopping block of posts.

You're right. This bigoted crap is not welcome here.

142 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:02pm

re: #107 faraway

We don't have a single right-wing news channel.

Don't even think of convincing me that Fox is right wing. They didn't do any significant investigative work on Obama. Not a single feature piece on Obama's communist upbringing. Why isnt Fox camped out at the LA Times? Columbia? Indonesia? College friends? Nothing.

You haven't been watching "Hannity's America" I guess? I wouldn't call his last couple of reports nothing...he's covered a lot of Obama's controversial and alarming relationships.

143 freetoken  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:15pm

re: #94 JohnAdams


Both your percentages are off. Firstly, 100% of the population have talents, some different than others.

Secondly, less than 10% of the population is gay.

On top of all of that, your idea is silly. Over the years I've hung out in "art" communities of different types: musicians, dancers, and photographers. While it is true that the art community as a whole is less condemning of homosexuality, the percentage of people in those communities who were gay didn't seem to be noticeably high. Just less condemning.

144 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:19pm

re: #111 ggt

Sadly, it is very hard to earn a living as an artist. At some point, a person has to get a "real job". That pisses the loser off because they can't, either they don't have the left brain skills (which is often the case, as art is very right brained) or they've ruined their brain with drugs and alcohol.

either way, I'm sure it's Bush's fault.

/

Liberals are children. Artists are the children of the children. Most of them "creating" incomprehensible nihilistic explosions trying to outdo one another on the pure noise level.

Meanwhile, the true artists, which we need desperately, are lost in the cacophany. The arts have been hijacked long ago. They will actually come out better in opposition.

145 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:24pm

re: #70 ggt

At what point in recent history was it decided that life wasn't suppossed to be hard?

I'd say the notion began among the elites of the Enlightenment, most particularly those of the French Enlightenment. (I know you like books, so you might like the short classic, The Heavenly City of the Eighteenth Century Philosophers by Carl Becker.) This is when the belief that man could, should, and would create a paradise on earth really takes off.

And now, the reality of prosperity has spoiled us rotten and made every little deprivation intolerable. Someone must be blamed! Someone must be sued! Something must be done!
The better things get, the more the whining.

146 Dolphin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:32pm

re: #140 realwest

Hope it holds for you! Night all.

147 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:33pm

re: #128 Adina in Judea

Bush won 62,040,610 (50.74% of the vote.)

Kerry won 59,028,444 (48.27% of the vote.)

Bush won by 3, 012,166 votes.

And this was AFTER the RatherGate CBS broadcast , but I believe BEFORE most MSM-dependents found out they were really, really fake.

I just can't believe the ratios will be tilted much more towards Obama than McCain in this election. Defies my untrained, untried, entirely illogical, math-challenged, but otherwise intact mind.

148 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:35pm

Ohio 2004
Bush 2,858,727 Kerry 2,739,952

Bush won the election by 118,000 votes

149 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:39pm

re: #136 Scion9

Well, I guess that's okay. As long as dressing like Alex P. Keaton isn't required.

150 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:43pm

re: #128 Adina in Judea

Bush won 62,040,610 (50.74% of the vote.)

Kerry won 59,028,444 (48.27% of the vote.)

Bush won by 3, 012,166 votes.

Strangely enough, the famous 1984 election was closer than that. Reagan beat Mondale by only about 2.7 million votes. Yet, the way the votes were distributed in the electoral college, Reagan got every state except Minnesota (Washington, D.C.'s electoral votes also went to Mondale).

151 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:26:56pm

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

152 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:27:56pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

purge

153 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:28:36pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

They become antidisestablishmentarians!

154 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:28:45pm

re: #131 Last Mohican

I looked.

I wonder, has our society really reached a stage at which that phrase is used so often that it needs an abbreviation?

Apparently.

155 freetoken  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:03pm

re: #144 JohnAdams

Meanwhile, the true artists, [...]


Umm... who are the "true artists"?

156 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:12pm

Well I have to get up early tomorrow because I forgot to tell my boss I'm taking the next two days off, see you all on the morrow.

The best rendition of the National Anthem

157 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:17pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

They spend their time in self-congratulatory and self-aggrandizing efforts, OBLIVIOUS to the irony.

Why?

158 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:18pm

re: #118 Bobibutu
Thanks - it IS exhausting work cutting through all the bullshit put out by the MSM. And, frankly, by some "right wing" blogs - I don't know how many times I had to debunk the idea that Obama's birth certificate "proves" he's not an American, just as one example.

159 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:27pm

re: #125 Clemente

As we've passed 100 posts, I'm tossing in a totally OT (topicless, even) picture.

Ocean, cloud, and smoke from distant canyon fire flavored sunset
.

I am a sucker for a good sunset! Best ever was in Fallon Neveda after the St. Helen's eruption and the sky was un fire! Would have loved to watch it but the planes were coming back in for recovery and things suddeny got real busy!

160 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:40pm

**ALERT ! GOP Voter Suppression in Wisconsin ! **
You just have to read this. No wonder we are in the state we're in ! Th article is about the Madison WI
A.G. filing suit in Wisconsin that may delay the election results. The L3 author of the piece is ranting about the evil, scheming Republicans and their bag of dirty tricks, once again stealing the election. Except he doesn't give one bit of evidence how this hurts the Dems. other than that "minorities, students and other under-represented sectors of the public" will most likely be the group that fails to update the address on their drivers licenses ! What he doesn't say, but logic dictates (if this is "stealing" the election) only Democrat "people of color, students and other under-represented sectors of the public" will be the ones most likely to fail to update their ID's and thus, be "suppressed". Otherwise, how is this A.G.'s suit stealing the election (again) from the Dems. ? The comments are all in lock step - kos would be proud. No wonder they take Obamas BS hook, line and sinker !
Enough to make you bang your head against the wall !
This person should be smacked.Twice.
Help ! I'm being suppressed !

161 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:47pm

re: #153 gmsc

They become antidisestablishmentarians!

Ah...antidisestablishmentarianism!

But can you spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

162 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:29:48pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

Implode - and we don't need that.

163 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:30:41pm

re: #125 Clemente
Wow, great photo - where was it taken?

164 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:30:52pm

re: #142 capitalist piglet

You haven't been watching "Hannity's America" I guess? I wouldn't call his last couple of reports nothing...he's covered a lot of Obama's controversial and alarming relationships.

Hannity repeats and rambles so much. What undecided voter is going to listen to his rantings? I appreciate him bringing up some things here at the end of the race. He did a good job of showing the Rev Wright tapes earlier.

165 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:31:14pm

If the Zero gets selected, look for a new word to be bandied about.

Reactionary.

The left will begin to eat their own.

166 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:31:50pm

re: #135 capitalist piglet

I keep hearing "It's time for the rich to pay their fair share."

I would like to know what their fair share is. If they're already paying between 70 and 80 percent of all federal income taxes, it would be interesting to know how much is "fair"...because I agree. They don't pay their fair share. They pay way more than that.

For the record, I'm not one of those people - but neither do I want them to have to pay my way in life. I didn't earn Bill Gates' money (except for a year I worked at MS, I suppose), and I don't want it.

I would like to know why anyone even feels it is fair that they should pay more. The church asks for 10%. All kidding aside, why is someone penalized for succeeding by paying a larger portion of their income to the state in higher taxes?

Why are we stuck on a confiscatory tax system anyway? Bastiat stated:

"But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime." – from The Law
167 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:31:52pm

re: #145 wolfie
Our poor are so fat because they can't afford Weight Watchers! Diet programs should be a universal right!

/Quickly approaching Iron Fist limitations.

168 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:31:57pm

AA meeting minutes:
The 40th annual meeting of Anarchists of America will now come to order.
/

169 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:08pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

Re-education camps (at least according to the WU and their leaders).

170 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:26pm

I sent out a mass mailing to everyone on my contact list as to why to vote for McCain.

I believe I may have "reduced" my contacts on the order of 25%-30%.

171 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:31pm

re: #158 realwest

Thanks - it IS exhausting work cutting through all the bullshit put out by the MSM. And, frankly, by some "right wing" blogs - I don't know how many times I had to debunk the idea that Obama's birth certificate "proves" he's not an American, just as one example.

Like this, for example, from The Times of London:

The Republicans have made a last-minute attempt to prevent Barack Obama’s ascent to the White House by trying to recruit an Oxford academic to “prove” that his autobiography was ghostwritten by a former terrorist.

I love how it's "The Republicans," as though somehow all Republicans banded together to raise $10K for this project.

172 Macker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:39pm

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

173 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:48pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

They have a 10% approval rating. (Congress).

Why hasn't McCain hammered this every day?

174 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:02pm

re: #122 MRL

I think that WF Buckley founded National Review in 1955. He was still active in the on line postings until last year, not long before his death.

Actually, he died at work. They found him slumped over his desk in the TNR offices.

175 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:18pm

re: #135 capitalist piglet

I keep hearing "It's time for the rich to pay their fair share."

I would like to know what their fair share is. If they're already paying between 70 and 80 percent of all federal income taxes, it would be interesting to know how much is "fair"...

It is not about fair. It's about taking, by force, without shame, what is not theirs. This taking is fair, today only, for America will wake.

176 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:25pm

re: #158 realwest

Thanks - it IS exhausting work cutting through all the bullshit put out by the MSM. And, frankly, by some "right wing" blogs - I don't know how many times I had to debunk the idea that Obama's birth certificate "proves" he's not an American, just as one example.

You, like me, probably wish you were 20 or 30 years younger about now. The mind is willing but the body - even with good nutrition and exercise - can only take so much ... whine ;-)

177 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:39pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

YES.

178 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:49pm

re: #140 realwest

Thanks but although the Geek Squad weren't able to fix my computer, it's still chugging along!
Thank you for the offer, though!

What happened with the PC?

179 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:06pm

re: #151 Rancher

This ties in to a post in the last thread. What do anti-establishment types do when they become the establishment?

Kinda like being part Polish and part German, always fighting the urge to stab myself in the back.

180 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:23pm

re: #175 unrealizedviewpoint

It is not about fair. It's about taking, by force, without shame, what is not theirs. This taking is fair, today only, for America will wake.

Taxing is armed robbery without a gun.

181 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:30pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

No.

182 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:38pm

re: #135 capitalist piglet

I keep hearing "It's time for the rich to pay their fair share."

I would like to know what their fair share is. If they're already paying between 70 and 80 percent of all federal income taxes, it would be interesting to know how much is "fair"...because I agree. They don't pay their fair share. They pay way more than that.

For the record, I'm not one of those people - but neither do I want them to have to pay my way in life. I didn't earn Bill Gates' money (except for a year I worked at MS, I suppose), and I don't want it.

What part of fair share do not the liberals understand? Paying your fair share means paying your part. That includes the poor and the downtrodden who consume vasts amount of taxpayer money and contribute nothing in return? I want a flat tax and we all pay the same. Fair is fair for all!

183 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:41pm

re: #173 faraway

They have a 10% approval rating. (Congress).

Why hasn't McCain hammered this every day?

He's not really running against congress. But, then again, why hasn't he?

184 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:44pm

re: #102 gmsc

That should be "than", not "then", unless you're talking about people who are voting for 0bama first, then Kerry.

Oh heck, why stop there. How about There- Their - They're

Or Loose instead of Lose, or to - too.

185 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:53pm

re: #161 erisldysnomia

Ah...antidisestablishmentarianism!

But can you spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

Sure - I have copy & paste on my system!
;)


re: #170 erisldysnomia

I sent out a mass mailing to everyone on my contact list as to why to vote for McCain.

I believe I may have "reduced" my contacts on the order of 25%-30%.

Hey - I never thought of reducing my address book that way - I like it!

186 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:58pm

re: #153 gmsc

They become antidisestablishmentarians!

But of course, LOL.

187 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:35:03pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

Actually, I want to qualify my earlier answer:

The MSM/Academics/leftists in gov't ALREADY consider themselves as ARE a "Shadow Government."

188 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:35:04pm

re: #160 leftover54

Stripped of discussing it in polite terms, it is akin to institutional racism -- since many of likely Democratic voters targeted by such ID laws are people of color, students and other under-represented sectors of the public.

Um, what? People of color are less likely to update the address on their driver's license?

Isn't that kind of a racist thing to say?

189 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:35:11pm

Am i the only one looking around and wondering "How is this even close"?
Some days I'm just baffled...

190 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:35:51pm

re: #180 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Taxing is armed robbery without a gun.

Refuse to pay and the guns will appear.

191 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:35:56pm

re: #161 erisldysnomia

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

192 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:12pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

He might try; it would fail shortly.

193 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:23pm

re: #185 gmsc

re: #161 erisldysnomia

Ah...antidisestablishmentarianism!

But can you spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

Sure - I have copy & paste on my system!

But can you recite it in Morse Code at 30 WPM without looking?

194 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:33pm

re: #184 lummox

Oh heck, why stop there. How about There- Their - They're

Or Loose instead of Lose, or to - too.

Better yet, let's cover all the standard mistakes at once!

195 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:34pm

re: #148 faraway

Ohio 2004
Bush 2,858,727 Kerry 2,739,952

Bush won the election by 118,000 votes

Ohio already has over 200,000 questionable voter registrations that the Secy of State could care less about checking out. During all this early voting, voters are not required to show ID. Who's going to verify all those voters?

196 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:42pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

I believe it's the technical term for black lung disease...not positive, but I think so

197 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:36:44pm

re: #177 erisldysnomia

YES.

His "cousin" Odinga after losing a close Presidential election in Kenya just incited a few riots, where a few hundred people were killed, then he forced the government to share power.

198 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:37:22pm

re: #180 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Taxing is armed robbery without a gun.

ATF and the Secrete Service are part of the Treasury. They come armed better then your average Chicago thug.

199 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:37:26pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

It's a word some college kids made up as a joke.

200 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:37:31pm

re: #189 srb1976

Am i the only one looking around and wondering "How is this even close"?
Some days I'm just baffled...

No, you're not. In the actual, normal reality, Obama would have been booted out the door just as quickly as that freak in Indiana who keeps trying to win a Republican congressional nomination, despite the fact that he routinely attends Nazi party meetings.

Come to think of it, he probably hasn't been attending the Nazi meetings for as long as Obama attended the Trinity United Church of Christ. Or board meetings with Bill Ayers.

201 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (also spelled -koniosis) is, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "a factitious word alleged to mean 'a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust causing inflammation in the lungs. Occurring chiefly as an instance of a very long word."[1] It was coined to serve as the longest English word and is the longest word ever to appear in an English language dictionary. It is listed in the current edition of several dictionaries.[2] A condition meeting the word's definition is normally called silicosis.

202 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:37:58pm

re: #191 realwest

The irritation caused to one's lungs by inhaling VERY SMALL particles of silicon ejected from volcanos.

Clear as mud, but it covers the ground, Real...

203 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:38:04pm

re: #120 Charles

This, my friend, is a really stupid comment.

How so?

Understand, I am not hating on gay people. I just believe that the arts, of which I am a member, has been largely subsumed by gay men. In college I was deliberately left off a course in playwrighting by a gay professor who point blank asked me "Are you gay?" When i said no, I was told I was dishonest and was not allowed in the course. I told the truth. I am straight and I wanted to learn how to write plays.

I realize this is an isolated incident, but I'm intelligent enough to look further into it. I have a good friend who was a photographer in NYC in the '80s and he wanted to do fashion photography. He was stonewalled by what he termed the "gay mafia" that dominated that field.

I understand that you want to police your site of anything remotely considered hate speech, especially at this juncture. But I think it is a reasoned point of discussion.

JA

204 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:38:34pm

re: #188 Last Mohican

Um, what? People of color are less likely to update the address on their driver's license?

Isn't that kind of a racist thing to say?

Careful you don't point it out to him. Brains are hard to get out of cotton fibers.

/not to mention the annoying sound of a pea brain going *pop*

205 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:38:48pm

re: #170 erisldysnomia
GOOD ON YOU! And look how much space you managed to free up in your addy book! LOL!
But seriously, what you did is truly significant and valuable - just hope it didn't cost you any friends!

206 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:38:53pm

re: #201 erisldysnomia

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis (also spelled -koniosis) is, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "a factitious word alleged to mean 'a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust causing inflammation in the lungs. Occurring chiefly as an instance of a very long word."[1] It was coined to serve as the longest English word and is the longest word ever to appear in an English language dictionary. It is listed in the current edition of several dictionaries.[2] A condition meeting the word's definition is normally called silicosis.

Charles,

Why does LGF seem to insert a space in "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" between the 'con' and the 'iosis'?

207 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:39:03pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

It's a breathing difficulty caused by silica dust getting into your lungs.

However, it comes up more often in discussions of long words that it does in discussions of lung words.

208 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:39:25pm

re: #183 unrealizedviewpoint

He's not really running against congress. But, then again, why hasn't he?

Of course he is. He's running against the Obama Reid Pelosi troika.

He could try:
"You see what kind of change you got when the Democrats took power 2 years ago. They think I'm like George Bush, but even poor ole George has better approval ratings than the do-nothing Democratic congress"

209 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:39:42pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

Sounds like a new name for a zitt.

210 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:39:45pm

re: #173 faraway
Uh, maybe because McCain is IN Congress?!

211 Salem  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:02pm

Artists tend to be complex and touchy. I haven't met many other artists that are that fun to be around. Unfortunately, I've never fit into the local art scene. Local galleries that aren't just southwest and landscapes and flea-market level stuff tend to be nauseatingly political. That one I wandered into the other day had Obama banners all over. There was hardly anything else in there.

212 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:06pm

re: #194 gmsc

Better yet, let's cover all the standard mistakes at once!

my pet peeve has always been ensure/insure.

When I was the S3 NCOIC, I used to ask the officers what private company was going to carry the policy that covered soldiers being at the appointed place at the appointed time by their Sergeants merely because a memo wanted them to "insure" they were.

213 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:36pm

re: #177 erisldysnomia

YES.

The One and his minions are not going to go away ... this is a war that will go on for a very long time - 50 years + in the making. One election will not shut it down.

You young 'uns have your work cut out for you. Now more than ever.

We cold war warriors will be in the fight with you a while longer ... however it will be up to you alone to recruit and finish the battle.

214 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:37pm

re: #199 victor_yugo

It's a word some college kids made up as a joke.

Not a joke!

215 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:39pm

re: #183 unrealizedviewpoint

He's not really running against congress. But, then again, why hasn't he?


Because he wants to be able to reach across the isle if he wins. Gotta play nice. I voted for Sarah, not McCain.

216 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:53pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

Before or after trying to sue his way into the White House?

/

217 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:09pm

re: #196 srb1976

I believe it's the technical term for black lung disease...not positive, but I think so

Sounds like it might be what was silicosis years ago...

218 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:14pm

re: #208 faraway

Of course he is. He's running against the Obama Reid Pelosi troika.

He could try:
"You see what kind of change you got when the Democrats took power 2 years ago. They think I'm like George Bush, but even poor ole George has better approval ratings than the do-nothing Democratic congress"

That could have been helpful. But I think even that would have been too impolitely "going negative" for old John "Miss Manners" McCain.

219 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:25pm

re: #207 gmsc

However, it comes up more often in discussions of long words that it does in discussions of lung words.

Cute!

220 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:29pm

re: #24 Last Mohican


Same cast of characters 'cept all growd up now (chronologically speaking...)

221 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:29pm

re: #212 Outrider

my pet peeve has always been ensure/insure.

When I was the S3 NCOIC, I used to ask the officers what private company was going to carry the policy that covered soldiers being at the appointed place at the appointed time by their Sergeants merely because a memo wanted them to "insure" they were.

Nah, the one that gets on my nerves the worst is accept/except...no good examples off the top of my head though

222 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:32pm

re: #196 srb1976

I believe it's the technical term for black lung disease...not positive, but I think so

Have at it. I sure wasn't going to type all that! lol

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (listen (help·info), also spelled -koniosis) is, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "a factitious word alleged to mean 'a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust causing inflammation in the lungs. Occurring chiefly as an instance of a very long word."[1] It was coined to serve as the longest English word and is the longest word ever to appear in an English language dictionary. It is listed in the current edition of several dictionaries.[2] A condition meeting the word's definition is normally called silicosis.

223 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:50pm

re: #201 erisldysnomia

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis (also spelled -koniosis) is, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "a factitious word alleged to mean 'a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust causing inflammation in the lungs. Occurring chiefly as an instance of a very long word."[1] It was coined to serve as the longest English word and is the longest word ever to appear in an English language dictionary. It is listed in the current edition of several dictionaries.[2] A condition meeting the word's definition is normally called silicosis.

You can hear the word pronounced here
scroll down then click on the speaker symbol.

224 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:41:54pm

re: #195 ciaospirit

Ohio already has over 200,000 questionable voter registrations that the Secy of State could care less about checking out. During all this early voting, voters are not required to show ID. Who's going to verify all those voters?

I saw today where Secretaries of State in 5 key swing states (ohio) are now Democrats

225 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:11pm

re: #205 realwest

GOOD ON YOU! And look how much space you managed to free up in your addy book! LOL!
But seriously, what you did is truly significant and valuable - just hope it didn't cost you any friends!

If it did, then they were the kinds of friends I'd rather not have.

226 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:14pm

re: #203 JohnAdams

Understand, I am not hating on gay people. I just believe that the arts, of which I am a member, has been largely subsumed by gay men. In college I was deliberately left off a course in playwrighting by a gay professor who point blank asked me "Are you gay?" When i said no, I was told I was dishonest and was not allowed in the course. I told the truth. I am straight and I wanted to learn how to write plays.

Really? And you accepted this, without protesting to the administration?

Who's the "pussy" here?

227 quickredfox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:53pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

To the leftists, "dissent" is conforming to their ideals. Anyone who truly dissents from those views isn't dissenting at all- they are traitors to the leftist ideal.

Only one of many examples, this one involving members of the poor persecuted Hollywood Ten of whom we hear so much: When one of their members, Albert Maltz, wrote an article questioning the insistence of the comrades on "art-as-a-weapon," his fellows laid into him to him so hard he ended up publicly recanting. But in the abundance of material available about the Hollywood Ten, there is little information to be found about that loathsome incident.

228 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:53pm

re: #196 srb1976

I believe it's the technical term for black lung disease...not positive, but I think so

That would be "coal worker's pneumoconiosis." Also known as anthracosis.

229 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:58pm

re: #222 Outrider

Have at it. I sure wasn't going to type all that! lol

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis (listen (help·info), also spelled -koniosis) is, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "a factitious word alleged to mean 'a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust causing inflammation in the lungs. Occurring chiefly as an instance of a very long word."[1] It was coined to serve as the longest English word and is the longest word ever to appear in an English language dictionary. It is listed in the current edition of several dictionaries.[2] A condition meeting the word's definition is normally called silicosis.

Dang! Running so far behind you guys tonight! ;-)>

230 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:42:59pm

That's not the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis that I knew.

231 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:43:05pm

re: #223 unrealizedviewpoint

You can hear the word pronounced here
scroll down then click on the speaker symbol.

LGF seems to be inserting that space...

232 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:43:43pm

re: #221 srb1976

Nah, the one that gets on my nerves the worst is accept/except...no good examples off the top of my head though

I've seen them confused.

233 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:00pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

What shadow, the donkeys will still own Congress.

234 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:02pm

re: #228 Last Mohican

That would be "coal worker's pneumoconiosis." Also known as anthracosis.

That's why it's good to put a disclaimer in there... = )

235 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:35pm

re: #212 Outrider

my pet peeve has always been ensure/insure.

When I was the S3 NCOIC, I used to ask the officers what private company was going to carry the policy that covered soldiers being at the appointed place at the appointed time by their Sergeants merely because a memo wanted them to "insure" they were.

Simple response: Write a memo back asking how much they want to insure the soldiers for.

I had the can/may difference drilled into me as a kid. Every time I'd asked my first grade teacher, "Can I go to the bathroom?", her reply was usually something like, "Well, if you couldn't, you'd probably have exploded by now."

If you asked her, "May I go to the bathroom?", she'd usually give immediate consent. When you're bladder (just kidding - I know it should be "your"), you learn that quickly.

236 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:36pm

re: #191 realwest

What in the HELL is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis?

It's a rare lung disease.

237 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:43pm

re: #174 victor_yugo
I didn't know that - that William F. Buckley Jr was found dead, slumped over his keyboard. Fitting though, in a way, he never stopped fighting the good fight.
BTW, and purely as an aside, Bat Masterson - yeah, the real Bat Masterson, gunfighter and lawman of the Wild West was also found dead slumped over his typewriter - he was Sports Editor of The New York Mirror and was actively exposing corruption in sports - particularly boxing.
However, the "connection" of Mr. Buckley to Mr. Masterson stops there!

238 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:44:53pm

re: #223 unrealizedviewpoint

You can hear the word pronounced here
scroll down then click on the speaker symbol.

Damn! I could have gone out and burned one in the time it took him to say it. lol

239 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:02pm

re: #234 srb1976

That's why it's good to put a disclaimer in there... = )

I have certainly learned that the hard way...

240 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:09pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

No. If Obama loses George Soros will be done with him. There is no 'shadow government' without a ton of money, and a lot of entrenched connections. Obama is an empty suit, not a mover and shaker.

241 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:27pm

re: #159 LoFlyer

Were you stationed there in Fallon? I lived 70 mi. south as a kid. You're right about the nice sunsets. That one must have been fabulous!

242 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:28pm

re: #132 Tarkus289

re: #163 realwest

re: #159 LoFlyer

Thanks, kind commenters! Shot a few weeks back from the berm of a nearby parking lot...

243 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:29pm

re: #215 Rancher

Because he wants to be able to reach across the isle if he wins. Gotta play nice. I voted for Sarah, not McCain.

Kiss and make up AFTER you win.

244 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:55pm

re: #206 erisldysnomia

Charles,

Why does LGF seem to insert a space in "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoc oniosis" between the 'con' and the 'iosis'?

Strings longer than 40 characters are broken up to prevent thread rogering.

245 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:46:06pm

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:47:00pm

re: #226 Charles

Really? And you accepted this, without protesting to the administration?

Who's the "pussy" here?

I might have done the same. Its often not worth it to fight in a case like that. Even if you win, the hostility you may arouse would nullify any victory.

247 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:47:20pm

re: #236 Spiny Norman

Oops. I should refresh before posting to be sure a dozen others haven't already posted the same thing.

Nevermind.

248 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:47:22pm

Night mates! Catch y'all on the flip-side!

249 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:47:37pm

re: #245 spidly

But you still can't get it past security. :)

250 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:47:41pm

re: #235 gmsc

Simple response: Write a memo back asking how much they want to insure the soldiers for.

I had the can/may difference drilled into me as a kid. Every time I'd asked my first grade teacher, "Can I go to the bathroom?", her reply was usually something like, "Well, if you couldn't, you'd probably have exploded by now."

If you asked her, "May I go to the bathroom?", she'd usually give immediate consent. When you're bladder (just kidding - I know it should be "your"), you learn that quickly.

HA! Just what every kid who is squeezing his/her legs together, sweating bullets, and gritting their teeth trying to hold it in wants to hear. Jokes. But, I imagine her point was taken.

251 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:04pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

I must've watched that 10 times. The last 2 times, I even noticed the sword!

252 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:09pm

re: #240 Scion9

No. If Obama loses George Soros will be done with him. There is no 'shadow government' without a ton of money, and a lot of entrenched connections. Obama is an empty suit, not a mover and shaker.

He will have a ton of money left over.

253 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:19pm

re: #176 Bobibutu
Hell

You, like me, probably wish you were 20 or 30 years younger about now. The mind is willing but the body - even with good nutrition and exercise - can only take so much

I can't exercise (my onc forbids it for reasons not worth going into) but boy I'd sure like to know as much as I do AND be 20-30 years younger - I'd a missed a lot of grief that way! LOL!

254 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:22pm

re: #249 BlueCanuck

But you still can't get it past security. :)

you might if you're wearing what she's wearing

255 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:29pm

Night lo-flyer, keep the mizzen mast pointed right.

256 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:39pm

Good night Lizards! Have a lot to do tomorrow:

6am-3pm - work
3pm-5pm - place campaign signs at polling places in my township
5pm-6:30pm - set up polling place with my fellow election judges so it won't be a mad rush Tuesday morning at 4am.
7pm-11pm - LGF, homework and blog (In that order!)

257 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:48:55pm

re: #212 Outrider

my pet peeve has always been ensure/insure.

When I was the S3 NCOIC, I used to ask the officers what private company was going to carry the policy that covered soldiers being at the appointed place at the appointed time by their Sergeants merely because a memo wanted them to "insure" they were.

My pet peave has always been idiots who get hung up on spelling. Not everyone uses spell check, and if you can't get the jist of an instruction, you have issues. I have a type of dislexia that affects my spelling ability. Frankly, many of our words here are spelled diffrent in England and the common wealths.

258 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:49:04pm

re: #252 faraway

He will have a ton of money left over.


Maybe he could redistribute it to us?

259 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:49:32pm

re: #226 Charles

Really? And you accepted this, without protesting to the administration?

Who's the "pussy" here?

Come on man. Of course I did. They didn't do anything. This guy was a Broadway star. I was wronged in that situation, 20 years old. It pissed me off. I don't look at anyone any differently, but I wont be intimidated to speak. Thanks for the forum.

260 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:49:46pm

re: #244 Charles

Strings longer than 40 characters are broken up to prevent thread rogering.

"Rogering" is a technical term?
/

261 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:49:49pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

She better not slip or she could give herself a mastectomy.

262 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:50:04pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

Bad idea. Use a concealed weapon like that and you will crucified in court.

263 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:50:37pm

I like the way I saw somebody put it a while back: It's like the Left likes to act out a role whereby they are courageous dissenters against an actual repressive government. Nevermind their actual conformism, or the fact that they rarely if ever face real consequences for the beliefs they hold.

264 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #258 non-lib Nina

Maybe he could redistribute it to us?

he'll need to refund to all the stolen cards and foreigners

265 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:03pm

re: #241 Pvt Bin Jammin

Were you stationed there in Fallon? I lived 70 mi. south as a kid. You're right about the nice sunsets. That one must have been fabulous!

Haar mate one last comment and I'll run. Every year my Airwing went to Fallon for exercises so I went 6 times for two weeks at a shot. Had a lot of fun, for the most part. Where did you live at?

266 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:07pm

re: #145 wolfie

Hey, thanks for the book suggestion (I could do a spin-off plug and ask you to put it in the book category?--but I won't). I just "hearted" it.

267 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:40pm

I'm not sure Soros will abandon Obama. He'll probably use Obama again, pretending that Obama is a "victim" of white racism, blah blah blah.

He's got too much invested in Obama to cut his losses, imho.

268 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:42pm

re: #264 spidly

he'll need to refund to all the stolen cards and foreigners

Damn.

269 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:42pm

re: #264 spidly

he'll need to refund to all the stolen cards and foreigners

How do you refund a pre paid credit or debit card?

270 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:54pm

re: #245 spidly

What was that? A sword belt on a topless woman? Weird indeed. Maybe they were they trying to be clever, with the "never feel naked again" line...

/I don't want to know what you were searching for to find that page LOL
;)

271 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:58pm

re: #260 lone_wolf_in_illinois

"Rogering" is a technical term?
/

I think maybe it has something to do with pirates. Merciless men who prowl the high seas using very, very long words.

272 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:58pm

re: #230 faraway

That's not the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocon iosis that I knew.

OK, if you can say that, repeat after me . . .

273 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:51:59pm

re: #257 JeremyR

My pet peave has always been idiots who get hung up on spelling. Not everyone uses spell check, and if you can't get the jist of an instruction, you have issues. I have a type of dislexia that affects my spelling ability. Frankly, many of our words here are spelled diffrent in England and the common wealths.

I've always been one of those people who gets irritated by spelling, my husband couldn't live without his spellchecker. It's possible to peacefully co exist, I promise. I almost never mention it to anyone (mostly little errors are easily overlooked) but it's a little quirk really

274 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:52:04pm

re: #269 erisldysnomia

How do you refund a pre paid credit or debit card?

Which reminds me. Do debit cards work on his site?

275 Last Mohican  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:53:07pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. Use a concealed weapon like that and you will crucified in court.

At first, when you said "bad idea," I thought you were referring to gluing your hair to your breasts.

276 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:53:32pm

re: #272 gmsc

OK, if you can say that, repeat after me . . .

Now, THAT's an amazing performance. Nerd heaven!

277 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:53:55pm

re: #257 JeremyR

My pet peave has always been idiots who get hung up on spelling. Not everyone uses spell check, and if you can't get the jist of an instruction, you have issues. I have a type of dislexia that affects my spelling ability. Frankly, many of our words here are spelled diffrent in England and the common wealths.

I never correct spelling here. When I was working the job I referenced, it was part of my job to review every document leaving the office for format, accuracy and spelling.
It keeps everything consistent and keeps the boss (and the unit) from getting embarrassed.

278 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:53:56pm

re: #172 Macker

la resistance? or is it le resistance?

279 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:54:44pm

re: #265 LoFlyer

Hawthorne, the ammo dump. LOL Drove through Fallon all the time to do major shopping, orthodontist, etc. in Reno. Those jets used to come down low and buzz our cars on the highway.

280 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:54:47pm

re: #275 Last Mohican

At first, when you said "bad idea," I thought you were referring to gluing your hair to your breasts.

that sounds incredibly unpleasant

281 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:54:53pm

re: #174 victor_yugo

Sadlly, his outlived his wife for only a few months. They had been married forever.

282 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:00pm

re: #257 JeremyR

My pet peave has always been

283 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:14pm

re: #270 gop_patriot

What was that? A sword belt on a topless woman? Weird indeed. Maybe they were they trying to be clever, with the "never feel naked again" line...

/I don't want to know what you were searching for to find that page LOL
;)

looking for cheap ammo and saw the ad in shotgun news.
Good for disputing Kenyan elections maybe... but what the hell?

284 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:18pm

re: #178 Spirit93
Sigh. The Geek Squad "Agent" was here last Sunday cause my cursor kept freezing up on me and after examining it reached the conclusion that I needed a new motherboard, a new CDW and probably a new Hard Drive.
So I get the "NEW" motherboard and new CD device this week and find out that the new motherboard is FUBAR and he simply put back my old motherboard, put in the new CD and now I'm waiting for Gateway to send me a Restoration Disk so he can put in the new Hard Drive which I also received this week AND another new motherboard. Fortunately all covered by warranty and no cost to me. Oh and the Geek Squad agent is one of the 17 folks I convinced to vote for McCain (young guy in his mid twenties!) so it wasn't a complete waste of time! LOL!

285 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:31pm

re: #252 faraway

He will have a ton of money left over.

Not really. Either way it wouldn't matter. Obama is in truth unelectable. It is either now or never for him. If he has to sit for four more years with public scrutiny on him, and a more effecient campaign to run against next election cycle he will be destroyed.

286 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:31pm

re: #159 LoFlyer

I am a sucker for a good sunset! Best ever was in Fallon Neveda after the St. Helen's eruption and the sky was un fire! Would have loved to watch it but the planes were coming back in for recovery and things suddeny got real busy!

I've seen that sort of sunset twice coming west over the Panamints from Death Valley. I got the first one on tape. It looks as if the sky is roiling flames.

287 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:51pm

Great, now the joke died with my #282 post incomplete. Oh, well, moving on...

288 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:55:58pm

re: #282 gmsc

Standard peavey:
[Link: peaveymfg.com...]

289 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #76 realwest


Nice going realwest ! Woo-Hooo !

290 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:56:21pm

Hey, it looks like KERRY is going to win Ohio ...

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

The pollsters are sooo complicit in Obama's edge. IGNORE THEM.

291 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:56:44pm

re: #218 Last Mohican

That could have been helpful. But I think even that would have been too impolitely "going negative" for old John "Miss Manners" McCain.

What was needed was a John "MandyManners" McCain.

292 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:56:46pm

re: #257 JeremyR

My pet peave has always been idiots who get hung up on spelling. Not everyone uses spell check, and if you can't get the jist of an instruction, you have issues. I have a type of dislexia that affects my spelling ability. Frankly, many of our words here are spelled diffrent in England and the common wealths.

It's not the spelling. It's the improper usage.

293 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:20pm

re: #260 lone_wolf_in_illinois

"Rogering" is a technical term?

A rogered thread is (was!) an ugly, awkward beast.

294 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:21pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

Now that's concealed carry! But I think the blade length might be a problem with most local ordnances.

295 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:26pm

re: #279 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hawthorne, the ammo dump. LOL Drove through Fallon all the time to do major shopping, orthodontist, etc. in Reno. Those jets used to come down low and buzz our cars on the highway.

Yep I remember it and being buzzed by our planes on the highway was always cool! Reno and Lake Tahoe were my favorite near-by spots...Night all!

296 tackle  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:44pm

I love Andy Rutledge's site. For a part time designer like myself, the articles have been really informative.
Reading them reminds of the undercurrent of almost every discussion I have with my Socialist brother-in-law. If I were only smarter, better informed, less sheltered, or read different books, I would come around to the leftist way of thinking. The implication, of course, is that intelligent, thoughtful, creative individuals cannot exist on the Right (which is a point Andy made).
After observing Andy and Charles, it's nice to see that they do exist, and that they don't take crap from anyone.

297 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:46pm

re: #188 Last Mohican

Um, what? People of color are less likely to update the address on their driver's license?

Isn't that kind of a racist thing to say?

It's not a race thing. Anyone likely to live in a "bad" neighborhood is going to have higher car insurance premiums. People often use the address of a friend or relative who lives in a better neighborhood to qualify for cheaper auto insurance rates --no joke. I've known several people who have done so --all white.

298 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:58:26pm

Gang, I really hope to see you all in a.m. This is a good place. Put your ears back and win this election. Good night.

299 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

After viewing that, I can say with some assurance that I am not gay.

300 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #276 erisldysnomia

Now, THAT's an amazing performance. Nerd heaven!

"getting awful nerdy in here"
/channeling Duck Dodgers

301 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:58:49pm

re: #259 JohnAdams

Come on man. Of course I did. They didn't do anything. This guy was a Broadway star. I was wronged in that situation, 20 years old. It pissed me off. I don't look at anyone any differently, but I wont be intimidated to speak. Thanks for the forum.

So years later, you're lashing out at the "arts community" and calling them "a bunch of pussies," and making up statistics to try to insinuate they're all gay and that's why art is "crap."

Nice. And this is in a thread that will certainly be visited by some of these gay pussies who design crap.

You're a piece of work.

302 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:03pm

re: #295 LoFlyer

Nite. Love Tahoe and Reno myself.

303 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:08pm

re: #288 jaunte

Standard peavey:
[Link: peaveymfg.com...]

I bet they make rotten pets!

304 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:13pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

Spidly ... may I ask what exactly you "searched" to find that ? ...Just wondering ...

305 erisldysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:19pm

re: #285 Scion9

Not really. Either way it wouldn't matter. Obama is in truth unelectable. It is either now or never for him. If he has to sit for four more years with public scrutiny on him, and a more effecient campaign to run against next election cycle he will be destroyed.

Strongly agreed. He will be savaged if he ever undergoes scrutiny again.

In fact, he will be savaged even if he wins.

We could have an impeachment even before inauguration day.

306 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:43pm

re: #272 gmsc

OK, if you can say that, repeat after me . . .

This song's lyrics will have to be changed to "Obama.. Obama.. Obama.."

307 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:59pm

re: #260 lone_wolf_in_illinois

"Rogering" is a technical term?
/

Rogering is an old term that was replaced by one of four letters.

/think firetruck. :)

308 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:00:01pm

Those aren't bizarre. Those are great boobs.

309 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:00:17pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck

"click my nic"

I most certainly will not ! At least until I get to know you a little better...thats a nice sweater you're wearing...I like the heels...um, maybe we should get some air, its getting a little warm in here don't you think ? Grab your purse...

310 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:00:19pm

re: #283 spidly

looking for cheap ammo and saw the ad in shotgun news.
Good for disputing Kenyan elections maybe... but what the hell?

Heh. I have come across some weird stuff like that on accident before, also.

...You follow one link, then another, and pretty soon you're as lost as a goose in a fog, wandering the back alleys of teh intarwebs and hoping you can find your way back to the good neighborhood soon. LOL

311 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:00:40pm

re: #303 gmsc

You gotta love a 'Western Duck Bill Hook.'

312 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:00:51pm

re: #297 ggt

It's not a race thing. Anyone likely to live in a "bad" neighborhood is going to have higher car insurance premiums. People often use the address of a friend or relative who lives in a better neighborhood to qualify for cheaper auto insurance rates --no joke. I've known several people who have done so --all white.

Let 'em have a super claim and see how much that claim saves the insurance co.

313 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:01:00pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck


Oh, wait ! You're a guy ?

314 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:01:05pm

re: #298 JohnAdams

Gang, I really hope to see you all in a.m. This is a good place. Put your ears back and win this election. Good night.

Those are words I can get behind. Talk to you tomorrow.

315 StudSupreme  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:01:16pm

Ho-Lee CRAP.

I feel badly for Andy Rutledge. I've been in his shoes quite often before, especially because I grew up in Blue New Jersey and now live in Ultra Blue flaky fruity North Cali.

316 spidly  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:01:18pm

re: #304 JacksonTn

Spidly ... may I ask what exactly you "searched" to find that ? ...Just wondering ...

see #283

317 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:02:16pm

re: #308 pat

Those aren't bizarre. Those are great boobs.

There was such a gorgeous woman sitting in the front row of the VIP stands at the McCain/Palin rally I went to, that I spent most of my time looking at her rather than the candidates.

318 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:02:19pm

re: #313 leftover54

Thank you for figuring it out. Those heels were starting to kill me. ;)

319 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:02:21pm

re: #305 erisldysnomia

Strongly agreed. He will be savaged if he ever undergoes scrutiny again.

In fact, he will be savaged even if he wins.

We could have an impeachment even before inauguration day.

Who's going to do this impeaching?

320 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:02:32pm

re: #208 faraway
Well

"You see what kind of change you got when the Democrats took power 2 years ago. They think I'm like George Bush, but even poor ole George has better approval ratings than the do-nothing Democratic congress"

is excellent - tying it to the great economy of 2005, the elections of Dem Majorities in Congress in 2006 and today's shitty economy works well too. Problem for McCain running against Congress is that HE IS IN CONGRESS! And for all I know voted for the damn CRA (which literally created the sub-prime mortgage market) himself.

321 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:02:42pm

re: #309 leftover54

"click my nic"

I most certainly will not ! At least until I get to know you a little better...thats a nice sweater you're wearing...I like the heels...um, maybe we should get some air, its getting a little warm in here don't you think ? Grab your purse...

boob thread

322 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:03:33pm

oops

323 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:12pm

re: #267 hermeneutics

I'm not sure Soros will abandon Obama. He'll probably use Obama again, pretending that Obama is a "victim" of white racism, blah blah blah.

He's got too much invested in Obama to cut his losses, imho.


He cut em with Kerry, so why not Obama?

324 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:23pm

re: #297 ggt

It's not a race thing. Anyone likely to live in a "bad" neighborhood is going to have higher car insurance premiums. People often use the address of a friend or relative who lives in a better neighborhood to qualify for cheaper auto insurance rates --no joke. I've known several people who have done so --all white.

Or, as I have seen around here, to get their kids in a better school. Over the years, I have seen a few cases where the parents live in the next county over, Liberty County, and register their kids here in Bryan County because we have better schools. They use friends or relatives I guess?

325 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:37pm

re: #320 realwest

Well

is excellent - tying it to the great economy of 2005, the elections of Dem Majorities in Congress in 2006 and today's shitty economy works well too. Problem for McCain running against Congress is that HE IS IN CONGRESS! And for all I know voted for the damn CRA (which literally created the sub-prime mortgage market) himself.

So is Obama, but he's part of the Democrat Congress.

326 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:50pm

re: #319 unrealizedviewpoint

Who's going to do this impeaching?

I was trying to be funny.

327 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:55pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck

Went to a "performance" art festival back at the beginning of October. My overall thoughts was "this is garbage", and yes most of it was literally garbage.

/blog pimping, I wrote a review with pictures on it. click my nic to see what I am talking about.

Sent you a friend request on LJ.

328 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:04:59pm

re: #322 faraway

Oh you were right, just a different definition that's all.

/heh heh heh.

329 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:05:03pm

re: #267 hermeneutics

I'm not sure Soros will abandon Obama. He'll probably use Obama again, pretending that Obama is a "victim" of white racism, blah blah blah.

He's got too much invested in Obama to cut his losses, imho.

Obama is hardly irreplacable. There is no shortage of radicals to pick from. Not to mention, if he doesn't win he will still be a Senator, so he wouldn't be 'cut loose' at all. He will never have the money and personel backing him like he does now though. The skilled campaigners, strategists and movers and shakers have his back, but they aren't his people. There is no real loyalty there. Obama isn't a leader or an original thinker in those circles. Nothing in his record suggests that he is, or that he ever got anywhere by leading the charge.

330 Salem  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:05:14pm

I was in an acting class once. I'm a natural so i was well received by the class. Halfway through the semester the teacher, who was locally renowned for portraying Ben Franklin (and was apparently gay), invited us all to try out for an upcoming play. He said he hoped I could be in it. We did a reading of the play and I was taken aback at how offensive it was. All of the characters were gay except one (an old man, who I was deemed too young to play) and it was just revolting to me at the time-not because all the characters were gay, but-trust me it was pure sleaze. I figured that I was wasting my time and didn't pursue acting after that. Wish I hadn't let that discourage me, but I'd gotten the impression that the theater was more political than I could stomach at the time. Today, I might have shrugged it off, but I still wouldn't have been in that play. It was freaking depraved. Dang it, I'm still angry about that.

Besides, I saw the teacher do The Telltale heart, and I decided I was a better actor than him.

Anyway, that was my experience.

331 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:05:17pm

Because Obama is young, arrogant, black, leftist and ... almost perfect in the lefty eye.

Think like Soros: Who could replace Obama?

332 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:05:24pm

re: #213 Bobibutu
Hey!

The One and his minions are not going to go away ... this is a war that will go on for a very long time - 50 years + in the making. One election will not shut it down.

You young 'uns have your work cut out for you. Now more than ever.

We cold war warriors will be in the fight with you a while longer ... however it will be up to you alone to recruit and finish the battle.

I'd rather see it as us cold (and sometimes hot) warriors last big battle and one which, as usual, we'll win!

333 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:05:45pm

Well, we know what Mr. Clinton got away with as President.

Just imagine what Obama will get away with.

334 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:06:02pm

re: #327 RememberSekhmet?

Got the e-mail. Will add you when I get home. Can't remember my password, and I am at work. Thanks.

335 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:06:06pm

re: #324 Outrider

Or, as I have seen around here, to get their kids in a better school. Over the years, I have seen a few cases where the parents live in the next county over, Liberty County, and register their kids here in Bryan County because we have better schools. They use friends or relatives I guess?

A school voucher of the made at home sort.

336 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:06:17pm

re: #273 srb1976

I've always been one of those people who gets irritated by spelling, my husband couldn't live without his spellchecker. It's possible to peacefully co exist, I promise. I almost never mention it to anyone (mostly little errors are easily overlooked) but it's a little quirk really

Don't ever get a job assembling machinery that was built in Asia. When I was doing that, we mostly used the instruction sheet for oil absorb.

337 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:06:48pm

re: #203 JohnAdams

...a reasoned point of discussion.

JA

A tenet you abandoned, from word one. Be objective.

338 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:07:33pm

re: #329 Scion9

I agree that there are oodles of leftists waiting to replace Obama, but Obama has incredible name recognition and he fits the Soros mould perfectly.

Again, could you come up with a replacement for Obama?

339 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:07:55pm

re: #333 faraway

Well, we know what Mr. Clinton got away with as President.

Just imagine what Obama will get away with.

Your money, liberty and security, to name just a few things.

340 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:08:16pm

As for the rate of artistic people versus the percentage of gays...

I don't think there's a flat percentage of people who are artistic. Like everything, a lot depends on interest and motivation. There are probably a great many artistic people out there (even potentially great artists) who haven't pursued this particular gift. Perhaps they're not even aware of it.

I knew someone who was very gifted in biology in college. She took the same courses as the pre-med students took and she was at the top of the class each time (beating out the pre-meds who were clawing for grades.)

It wasn't her major. She just liked biology courses as electives. She could have gotten into med school. It didn't interest her. Having talent in something doesn't guarantee dedication to it.

Perhaps more gay people see artistic endeavors as something they'd be more interested to pursue or else they see the artistic world as a friendlier environment than some other professions.

341 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:08:20pm

re: #336 JeremyR

Something like a DVD manual translated from engineer to japanese to english.

/they want to put the plug where again?

342 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:08:23pm

re: #259 JohnAdams

I think you should let go of the hurt one gay man caused you. They're not the enemy you're making them out to be.

343 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:08:36pm

re: #329 Scion9

Obama is hardly irreplacable. There is no shortage of radicals to pick from. Not to mention, if he doesn't win he will still be a Senator, so he wouldn't be 'cut loose' at all. He will never have the money and personel backing him like he does now though. The skilled campaigners, strategists and movers and shakers have his back, but they aren't his people. There is no real loyalty there. Obama isn't a leader or an original thinker in those circles. Nothing in his record suggests that he is, or that he ever got anywhere by leading the charge.

Reply to leftist on racism charge:


well, Mr. or Ms. Amateur Political Warfare Smartypants, I got your number! I see you know you lost the argument so you're just making the typical leftist ad hominem attack (look it up in your Funk & Wagnalls). I'm not impressed. You'll have to try MUCH harder. In fact, I think you're a pathetic dweeb. Bruhahahahahaha

344 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:08:58pm

re: #240 Scion9
"No. If when Obama loses" just thought I'd fix that for ya!

345 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:08pm

re: #336 JeremyR

Don't ever get a job assembling machinery that was built in Asia. When I was doing that, we mostly used the instruction sheet for oil absorb.

I've tried assembling cheap furniture with instructions written by someone who was not a native english speaker...makes for a good laugh usually
= )

346 desterion  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:17pm

We need to see more writing like this on LGF. An outstanding piece which really hits home.

347 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:21pm

re: #189 srb1976

Am i the only one looking around and wondering "How is this even close"?
Some days I'm just baffled...

8 years of Bush bashing by the MSM/left.

348 ggt  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:22pm

Well, the clock says it's after midnight, but my body says it's after 1 am.

weet dreams all!

349 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:29pm

re: #339 solomonpanting

Your money, liberty and security, to name just a few things.

I have no money.

No liberty - cant talk about birth certificates :)

And the dog died, so I have no security either.

So, Obama won't get a thing from me.

350 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:09:32pm

re: #335 unrealizedviewpoint

A school voucher of the made at home sort.

They always seem to get caught. Guess folks living here don't care for it. This isn't even a rich or middle class neighborhood, houses running about 150k or so. But, high standards in the school.

351 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:10:23pm

Night ggt, weet dreams.

352 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:10:28pm

re: #342 Sharmuta

I think you should let go of the hurt one gay man caused you. They're not the enemy you're making them out to be.

I wonder who they vote for?

353 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:11:00pm

re: #352 faraway

Some of them vote republican.

354 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:11:02pm

re: #338 hermeneutics

Again, could you come up with a replacement for Obama?

Him

355 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:11:15pm

re: #245 spidly
Hmmm. And just how did you happen to come across that "video" hey?!
/

356 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:11:44pm

re: #347 Spirit93

8 years of Bush bashing by the MSM/left.

I guess that's kinda my point. The first time my brother deployed to Iraq, the first time he called home, he said 'don't listen to the news, they don't get anything right" I've been taking his advice more lately.

357 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:12:18pm

re: #345 srb1976

I've tried assembling cheap furniture with instructions written by someone who was not a native english speaker...makes for a good laugh usually
= )

A machine that comes on three semi trucks isn't much diffrent. What was dangerous was torque settings and variable transformer settings that could turn a bundle of wires into a string of ash and sparks.

358 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:12:50pm

From 2004

Perhaps the most surprising news for gay observers of the presidential election is that exit polls show President Bush received the exact same percentage of gay votes — 23 percent — as he did four years ago. This despite the president's vocal support for a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marraige.
359 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:13:15pm

re: #300 Outrider

"getting awful nerdy in here"
/channeling Duck Dodgers

No, NOW it gets nerdy in here:

Elements song
U.S. Presidents song
U.S. States and State Capitals (ACK! "Capitals" is misspelled at the beginning! A "Capitol" is a legislative building, not a city!)

..and who could forget...

The countries of the world! (Although it's somewhat out of date)

360 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:13:33pm

Narcissists will always be drawn to the Arts, or politics, since politics is show business for unattractive people.

361 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:13:39pm

re: #358 faraway

From 2004

You can't get married if you're incinerated ... or living under Sharia.

362 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:13:53pm

re: #357 JeremyR

A machine that comes on three semi trucks isn't much diffrent. What was dangerous was torque settings and variable transformer settings that could turn a bundle of wires into a string of ash and sparks.

Yikes! I'm much happier in a job where I can call the shift electrician for anything with wires. =)

363 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #354 ErislDysnomia

Him

Okay, I give up. Nice looking man, but who is it?

364 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:14:04pm

re: #355 realwest

Hmmm. And just how did you happen to come across that "video" hey?!
/

He googled "sharp and pointy".

365 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:15:14pm

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

366 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:15:17pm

re: #347 Spirit93

8 years of Bush bashing by the MSM/left.

Bush's reputation was murdered by the MSM, at least in the minds of the MSM sucklings™.

367 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:15:34pm

re: #359 gmsc

No, NOW it gets nerdy in here:

Elements song
U.S. Presidents song
U.S. States and State Capitals (ACK! "Capitals" is misspelled at the beginning! A "Capitol" is a legislative building, not a city!)

..and who could forget...

The countries of the world! (Although it's somewhat out of date)

Presidents Song by Animaniacs has always been funny.

368 Mel Lono  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:15:55pm

re: #331 hermeneutics

Because Obama is young, arrogant, black, leftist and ... almost perfect in the lefty eye.

Think like Soros: Who could replace Obama?

Any good black actor. Samuel Jackson, Jamie Foxx, and Will Smith come to mind. Or Halle Berry for that matter.

Don't Vote

370 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:16:16pm

re: #245 spidly

well this is bizarre

warning, semi "adult" content

I will (hopefully) be going back to work at the local prison for the health benefits. The only weapons we can carry are our radios and pens. The radios have a "man down" button we can push in an emergency and can be used as a hard blunt instrument. A good sharp fine point steel pen makes a good stabbing weapon. That belt I bet could pass security at the door. It sure beats the pen, however mighty the pen might be.

371 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:16:34pm

re: #338 hermeneutics


Again, could you come up with a replacement for Obama?

If I could name someone, then he wouldn't be a replacement for Obama would he? Obama entered the national stage by giving a speech in '04, and started his job as a US Senator in '05?

Who can't the Dem party leadership find with those kinds of credentials? Obama doesn't have name recognition because he earned it, and he didn't really have it until he started running for president. His celebrity status is completely manufactured. It can and will happen again.

372 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:16:34pm

re: #352 faraway

I wonder who they vote for?

According to the Pink Pistols, there is less hate among religious conservatives for their sexuality then there is among liberals for them liking guns. That is why the majority of them stay republican.
In late 2003 early 2004, as the dem debates were firing up, I worked with a fellow who was openly gay. One of his favorite tactics was to put an arm arround guys who were homophobic.

373 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:16:42pm

re: #365 Charles

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

Well at least you'd be in good company...

374 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:16:48pm

re: #264 spidly
But re: #258 non-lib Nina

Maybe he could redistribute it to us?

he'll need to refund to all the stolen cards and foreigners
he'd only do that cause he wants America loved by the world!
First time I heard him say that I knew he was an out and out phony and fraud.

375 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:17:31pm

(ot) re: #284 realwest

Hope you tried a new mouse before all that, or may yet try one.

I'd had intermittent mouse freezing (and sometimes keyboard too, or instead) for several months. The mouse was the problem. I just didn't have a spare handy.

376 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:17:35pm

re: #358 faraway

From 2004

I find that stat difficult to believe. Linky?

377 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:17:41pm

re: #363 hermeneutics

Okay, I give up. Nice looking man, but who is it?

You are obviously not a fan of SG-1!

378 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:18:34pm

Since you brought it up...

I'm sure the original BC is real (since HI confirmed it). Let's see it. He spent thousands of dollars on legal fees to keep people from seeing it. It must be good.

379 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:18:37pm

re: #362 srb1976

Yikes! I'm much happier in a job where I can call the shift electrician for anything with wires. =)

I was the shift electrician. (Also the shift plumber, shift mechanic, shift welder and the shift comic.)

380 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:19:02pm

Nazi's endorse Obama.

381 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:19:12pm

re: #371 Scion9

If I could name someone, then he wouldn't be a replacement for Obama would he? Obama entered the national stage by giving a speech in '04, and started his job as a US Senator in '05?

Who can't the Dem party leadership find with those kinds of credentials? Obama doesn't have name recognition because he earned it, and he didn't really have it until he started running for president. His celebrity status is completely manufactured. It can and will happen again.

Harold Ford Jr. would make for a wonderful donk presidential candidate.

382 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:19:34pm

re: #363 hermeneutics

Okay, I give up. Nice looking man, but who is it?

and the correct question should be:

who are they?

383 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:20:38pm

re: #380 hermeneutics

Nazi's endorse Obama.

Is that, like, not the poster proof of the saying that "politics makes strange bedfellows?"

384 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:20:40pm

re: #172 Macker

Question for All Lizards: If Obama loses, do you think he would operate a "Shadow Government" anyway?

That takes actual political ability and talent. Obamajebus has merely been a figurehead, and if he loses, in all likelihood he will end up discarded by the powers that tried to use him.

385 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:20:48pm

re: #376 unrealizedviewpoint

I find that stat difficult to believe. Linky?

Bush 2004 Gay votes

386 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:20:59pm

re: #382 ErislDysnomia

and the correct question should be:

who are they?

Okay, I confess. I've never heard of SG1. I'll confess a bit more. I haven't watched a movie since I turned 30, which was 15 years ago.

I'm a pop culture ignoramus.

387 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:21:40pm

re: #338 hermeneutics

I think he's the perfect vehicle for all the New Left's dreams.
He will be repackaged, not replaced. IMO

388 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:21:40pm

re: #381 unrealizedviewpoint

Harold Ford Jr. would make for a wonderful donk presidential candidate.

Olberdork for Pres.

389 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:22:22pm

re: #381 unrealizedviewpoint

Harold Ford Jr. would make for a wonderful donk presidential candidate.

That guy strikes me as having principles. Which unfortunately means he would be a horibble candidate for the dems. Exactly what they are not looking for.

390 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:22:28pm

re: #386 hermeneutics

Okay, I confess. I've never heard of SG1. I'll confess a bit more. I haven't watched a movie since I turned 30, which was 15 years ago.

I'm a pop culture ignoramus.

Stargate SG-1.

That was Apophis, a several thousand year old man who has inside his skull a snake-like alien symbiote that controls the body completely known as a Goa'uld. Apophis is VERY evil.

391 Salem  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:22:44pm

re: #365 Charles

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

Yeah, it's crazy! I remember when I expressed a healthy, perfectly natural sexual attraction to Sarah Palin, not even as crude as you might hear on South Park and I thought some of the people would have strung me up if they coul...

Oh wait, that was in the previous thread...

392 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:22:50pm

re: #387 wolfie

I think he's the perfect vehicle for all the New Left's dreams.
He will be repackaged, not replaced. IMO

Good evening, Wolfie ... I think he's the perfect empty vessel for the leftist, too.

How are you tonight?

393 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:22:57pm

re: #382 ErislDysnomia

and the correct question should be:

who are they?

A Goa'uld?

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:23:24pm
Conservative dissent is like that tree that falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it. The Left ensures that it makes no sound at all.

The Web sort of throws a wrench in the gears of this whole Leftist design community [SB- and every single other Leftist-type community] exclusionary plan.

Gawdamn I love the internet! Whenever you hear some politician, of any stripe, talking about regulating/taxing/fuxing with the internet, be wary.

This is the new, great frontier of free speech. Don't let it die.

395 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:23:29pm

re: #365 Charles

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

Why the thin skin. You believe what you believe and have the courage to back it up with a international forum. Your critics are, by and large ,anonymous and of little import. Just keep on keepin' on. Everything will be fine in a couple of days.

396 Salem  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:24:10pm

Sorry, I'm being kind of a dick, tonight. I'd better turn in...

397 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:24:31pm

re: #391 Salem

Yeah, it's crazy! I remember when I expressed a healthy, perfectly natural sexual attraction to Sarah Palin, not even as crude as you might hear on South Park and I thought some of the people would have strung me up if they coul...

Oh wait, that was in the previous thread...

I could easily see marrying a woman who looks anything like and who has the mind of Sarah Palin.

398 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:24:57pm

re: #383 ErislDysnomia

Is that, like, not the poster proof of the saying that "politics makes strange bedfellows?"

As opposed to the Clintons, who demonstrate that bedfellows make strange politics.

399 freetoken  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:25:03pm

re: #365 Charles

Now you know how Art Bell was able to make so much money broadcasting at a time of the day when the conventional wisdom was that time on Radio was a death-knell.

Learn how to market to the irreplaceable pre-conceived notions that people let run around in their head... and you'll make a mint.

401 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:26:08pm

re: #393 gop_patriot

A Goa'uld?

Yes, a fused human and Goa'uld.

Too the bad the Goa'uld gets first dibs on the body.

402 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:26:14pm

re: #365 Charles

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

As your readership & numbers of Lizards increases, it may seem as though there are more nutjobs, yet the percentage of certifiable loons is probably the same as always. You maybe expect more, or too much from the lizard population.

403 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:26:46pm

re: #398 Moe Katz

As opposed to the Clintons, who demonstrate that bedfellows make strange politics.

Very apropos.

404 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:26:48pm

re: #296 tackle
Hmmm. I found that by editing what you said, I find the result more palatable: "every discussion I have with my Socialist brother-in-law. If I he were only smarter, better informed, less sheltered, or read different books, I he would come around to the leftist correct way of thinking. The implication, of course, is that intelligent, thoughtful, creative individuals cannot do not exist on the Right Left (which is a point Andy could have made)."
Whaddya think?!

405 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:26:59pm

re: #385 faraway

Bush 2004 Gay votes

I never would have believed the numbers to be that strong.

406 zombie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:27:00pm

God bless Sarah Palin!

And it seems her handlers scan the blogs minute-by-minute for leads.

Because now it seems Palin has the SF Chronicle playing defense:

Palin suggests Chronicle withheld Obama remarks

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in a campaign appearance today, criticized comments about coal technology that Sen. Barack Obama made to The Chronicle editorial board in January, and suggested that the newspaper withheld the information from the public - even though the interview has been posted on the newspaper's Web site since it was given.

Of course, the Chronicle is right in pointing out that the entire interview has indeed been posted on their Web site since January -- I myself remember reading them back then, but the coal thing didn't make much of an impression on me at the time (since I didn't think Obama was going to get the nomination anyway).

The Chronicle is guilty of not highlighting or pointing out the insane policy gaffe -- the interview was posted, and articles written about it, but this detail was never mentioned.

But that's not the main point -- the main point is that Obama's coal statement is now top of the news. It's got the Obamatons playing defense.

Whether or not the coal statement was "suppressed" (not really) or merely conveniently not publicized, and hence overlooked, now once again a new issue has Obama back on his heels.

Most interestingly, it shows that the Palin team is probably reading the right-of-center blogs, and may be reading this thread right now.

Hello, Sarah!

407 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:27:29pm
408 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:27:40pm

re: #376 unrealizedviewpoint

I find that stat difficult to believe. Linky?

Should not be too hard. Many gay people may not be that adamant that civil unions be called "marriage" as long their rights under such unions are guaranteed. But thats just a guess.

409 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:27:50pm

re: #372 JeremyR

According to the Pink Pistols

Cool! Someone else who likes the Pink Pistols!

"Armed gays don't get bashed."

410 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:28:01pm

It happens at 1:47 mark

411 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:28:03pm

re: #365 Charles

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

Not to bicker, my exwife worked in a small hospital where couples would show up at odd hours to register the newest bundle of joy, some times two or rthree days after delivery. Its possible that Obama was born in Kenya then registered here, but FWIW, it is a side issue, a distraction from the more important issues such as Obama's guarantee to raise electric rates by driving coal plants into forclosure.
The plus side of the issue is that for the most part it is PUMAs behind it. So don't stoke the fire, and don't pee on it. It is keeping liberals away from Obama, and we won't get burnt.

412 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:28:20pm

re: #380 hermeneutics

Nazi's endorse Obama.

Well, isn't that interesting?
How amusing that they admire him for attending a church with a race-based ideology! I guess that makes some sense from their point of view.

413 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:28:42pm

re: #406 zombie

Most interestingly, it shows that the Palin team is probably reading the right-of-center blogs, and may be reading this thread right now.

Sarah, see my #397!

414 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:29:34pm

re: #378 faraway

Since you brought it up...

I'm sure the original BC is real (since HI confirmed it). Let's see it. He spent thousands of dollars on legal fees to keep people from seeing it. It must be good.

He spent thousands of dollars keeping people distracted from the real issues, that he is a communist who lacks a spine.

415 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:29:38pm

Last night it was the Little Man who absolutely refused to sleep, today(night) it's Her Royal Stoutness. I'm breeding the next generation of insomniacs here I swear.

416 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:29:52pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawdamn I love the internet! Whenever you hear some politician, of any stripe, talking about regulating/taxing/fuxing with the internet, be wary.

This is the new, great frontier of free speech. Don't let it die.

The blogs are here. Resistance is futile.

417 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:30:14pm

re: #414 JeremyR

He spent thousands of dollars keeping people distracted from the real issues, that he is a communist who lacks a spine.

Arguably better than a commie who possesses one...

418 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:30:46pm

re: #411 JeremyR

Can't see that happening, we're talking a 24 hour flight at the least these days to get from point A to point B. If that happened I can't see his mother being fit to travel that soon after birth. A none starter as far as I am concerned.

419 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:30:47pm

re: #392 hermeneutics

I'm fine, though getting a little bit sleepy!
May I assume that you are recovering nicely from that awful bug you had?
(Don't stop the anti-biotics before taking the whole course!)

420 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:30:59pm

re my 395 comment, PIYF skin= scales.

421 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:31:08pm

re: #401 ErislDysnomia

Yes, a fused human and Goa'uld.

Too the bad the Goa'uld gets first dibs on the body.

Yep. I love that show, and Atlantis.

I put the question mark because I hadn't been following the conversation; I missed the link you posted the first time, then had to scroll up to read more. Just making sure that was what you were getting at when you posted Apophis' picture. :)

422 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:31:27pm

re: #416 Rancher

The blogs are here. Resistance is futile.

We are Dyslexic of Borg. Resistance is feudal. Your ass will be laminated.

423 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:31:49pm

re: #408 Rancher

Should not be too hard. Many gay people may not be that adamant that civil unions be called "marriage" as long their rights under such unions are guaranteed. But thats just a guess.

Or - not single issue voters, like most reasonable folk.

424 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:31:57pm

I saw a list of places where Mac is campaigning on Monday -- I can't find it now, sorry. I remember, though, that Mac is supposed to visit six or seven STATES. For an old guy, he's doing great on the campaign trail.

And Obama-the-Young is only visiting three places tomorrow.

425 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:32:44pm

re: #407 ErislDysnomia

It's not loading. Must have been on Drudge?

Er, no... maybe someone could link directly to the YouTube videos instead?

426 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:32:59pm

re: #421 gop_patriot

Yep. I love that show, and Atlantis.

I love the almost anti-liberal nature of it.

Remember Sen. Kinsey and the fool they made him to be?

427 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:33:02pm

re: #401 ErislDysnomia

Yes, a fused human and Goa'uld.

Too the bad the Goa'uld gets first dibs on the body.

Next question: How Many Goa'uld Characters from Stargate can you name in 5 minutes?

428 Freedom Fan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:33:32pm

Some scary shit is going down on Wednesday. Say Goodbye To America

429 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:34:18pm

re: #417 Moe Katz

Arguably better than a commie who possesses one...

Dunno. Trotsky and the commies during the Great Purge had spine. Didn't do them much good.

430 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:34:19pm

re: #406 zombie


Most interestingly, it shows that the Palin team is probably reading the right-of-center blogs, and may be reading this thread right now.

Hello, Sarah!

Hi Sarah. (wink)

431 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:34:27pm

re: #427 gmsc

Next question: How Many Goa'uld Characters from Stargate can you name in 5 minutes?

Probably most of the System Lords and some minor ones. And the gorgeous one (Hathor) whose face I will not soon forget!

432 freetoken  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:34:47pm

re: #406 zombie

God bless Sarah Palin!

As I pointed out in the spin-off link on this topic, over on WindsOfChange there is a different look at this.

Namely, while the Republicans want to make hay over Obama's coal remark, anyone supporting cap-and-trade or a carbon-tax, such as John McCain, are essentially trying to do the same thing Obama so coarsely outlined.

433 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:35:06pm

re: #419 wolfie

I'm fine, though getting a little bit sleepy!
May I assume that you are recovering nicely from that awful bug you had?
(Don't stop the anti-biotics before taking the whole course!)

Yes, I feel pretty human today. Fever only a few tenths of a degree from normal.

I showered, dressed and gardened -- a good day. My poor flowers are suffering from drought after being ignored for a week or so. Some have died. The lemons are morphing from green to yellow but the tangerines are still quite green. My lime tree is almost fully picked. I find it interesting how the limes mature first, then lemons, and lastly tangerines.

434 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:35:42pm

re: #429 Scion9

Dunno. Trotsky and the commies during the Great Purge had spine. Didn't do them much good.

Better for us, I meant.

435 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:35:53pm

re: #100 Last Mohican

The tough part is going to be if McCain "wins" we will have no instant relief. It is going to be our torture for how many months listening to "do over", over and over and over again. Then the Supreme Court...waiting and waiting and waiting...then more of the same, over and over and over... Do I paint a rosey picture ? You could say "so, as long as we beat him" but that will not be sure for G_d knows how long and what then should they scuceed this time around in
a corrupt re-count ? Or, imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him ? It will be relentless...TV,books, movies, music, text books and on and on. It will be never ending.

436 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:36:41pm

re: #365 Charles

OMG

437 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:36:56pm

re: #318 BlueCanuck

It was the Adams Apple...

438 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:36:59pm

re: #435 leftover54

The tough part is going to be if McCain "wins" we will have no instant relief. It is going to be our torture for how many months listening to "do over", over and over and over again. Then the Supreme Court...waiting and waiting and waiting...then more of the same, over and over and over... Do I paint a rosey picture ? You could say "so, as long as we beat him" but that will not be sure for G_d knows how long and what then should they scuceed this time around in
a corrupt re-count ? Or, imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him ? It will be relentless...TV,books, movies, music, text books and on and on. It will be never ending.

Still a 1000 times better then the alternative.

439 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:37:21pm

re: #435 leftover54

imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him

This may be the worst-case scenario.

440 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:37:25pm

re: #423 unrealizedviewpoint

Good point!

441 ConservativeAtheist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:37:40pm

re: #365 Charles

Meanwhile, in the thread about Hawaii confirming Obama's birth certificate, there are STILL people who refuse to accept it and spout conspiracy theories.

And in last night's overnight thread, the last comment before mine says "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions.

And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

I once worked with a guy who gave me some good advice along these lines. He noted that for any sufficiently large group of people, even people you would think would tend to be decent, you could expect at least 10% to be jerks. Charles, I think you do a good job moderating this site such that the number here seems quite a bit less.

442 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:37:44pm

re: #435 leftover54

The tough part is going to be if McCain "wins" we will have no instant relief. It is going to be our torture for how many months listening to "do over", over and over and over again. Then the Supreme Court...waiting and waiting and waiting...then more of the same, over and over and over... Do I paint a rosey picture ? You could say "so, as long as we beat him" but that will not be sure for G_d knows how long and what then should they scuceed this time around in
a corrupt re-count ? Or, imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him ? It will be relentless...TV,books, movies, music, text books and on and on. It will be never ending.

It will be worth it.

443 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:39:02pm

re: #340 Adina in Judea
"they see the artistic world as a friendlier environment than some other professions." I don't know about today's professions or other occupations, but I believe that what you've said was true maybe 20-30 years ago.
Of course, the problems with generalizations are that they can and frequently are, incorrect in specific cases.

444 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:39:53pm

re: #418 BlueCanuck

Can't see that happening, we're talking a 24 hour flight at the least these days to get from point A to point B. If that happened I can't see his mother being fit to travel that soon after birth. A none starter as far as I am concerned.

It would be the flight from hell if she had an apesiatomy(sp). His Hawaiian BC was issued four days after his birth, that is I believe with in a normal window.

445 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:40:09pm

re: #435 leftover54

The tough part is going to be if McCain "wins" we will have no instant relief. It is going to be our torture for how many months listening to "do over", over and over and over again. Then the Supreme Court...waiting and waiting and waiting...then more of the same, over and over and over... Do I paint a rosey picture ? You could say "so, as long as we beat him" but that will not be sure for G_d knows how long and what then should they scuceed this time around in
a corrupt re-count ? Or, imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him ? It will be relentless...TV,books, movies, music, text books and on and on. It will be never ending.

I'll worry about that next week.

446 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:40:29pm

re: #443 realwest

Of course, the problems with generalizations are that they can and frequently are, incorrect in specific cases.

huh?

447 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:40:38pm

re: #301 Charles

So years later, you're lashing out at the "arts community" and calling them "a bunch of ," and making up statistics to try to insinuate they're all gay and that's why art is "crap."

Nice. And this is in a thread that will certainly be visited by some of these gay who design crap.

You're a piece of work.

Sir, I looked back upon what I wrote, and I agree that it was wrong in many ways. And that is not pandering. My choice of words was inappropriate, and by generalizing I reduced my point. I have had my arse handed to me a few times on this site from other Lizards, as many others have. This is why LGF is different. I realize anew why vigilance is necessary in civilized discourse. Whether I am welcome here further or not, I thank you for the opportunity.

448 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:41:07pm

re: #443 realwest

"they see the artistic world as a friendlier environment than some other professions." I don't know about today's professions or other occupations, but I believe that what you've said was true maybe 20-30 years ago.
Of course, the problems with generalizations are that they can and frequently are, incorrect in specific cases.

I think there could be some neurological reason why gay men may be more interested in the arts---in addition to the other explanations offered.

449 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:41:11pm

re: #428 Freedom Fan

Some scary shit is going down on Wednesday. Say Goodbye To America

That's very well written.

450 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:41:38pm

No matter who becomes President, the next campaign will see a record amount of campaign finance fraud, because people are seeing now that they can almost get away with anything.

451 ConservativeAtheist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:41:42pm

re: #390 ErislDysnomia

Stargate SG-1.

That was Apophis, a several thousand year old man who has inside his skull a snake-like alien symbiote that controls the body completely known as a Goa'uld. Apophis is VERY evil.

Apophis, huh? Interesting name. I wonder if there is any intentional linkage to this Apophis which, although not evil, would potentially be very deadly.

452 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:42:03pm

re: #445 lummox

re: #435 leftover54

The tough part is going to be if McCain "wins" we will have no instant relief. It is going to be our torture for how many months listening to "do over", over and over and over again. Then the Supreme Court...waiting and waiting and waiting...then more of the same, over and over and over... Do I paint a rosey picture ? You could say "so, as long as we beat him" but that will not be sure for G_d knows how long and what then should they scuceed this time around in
a corrupt re-count ? Or, imagine what the state of "race relations" will be for the next 75 years should they be convinced the first "black" (sic) POTUS had it taken from him ? It will be relentless...TV,books, movies, music, text books and on and on. It will be never ending.

I'll worry about that next week.

It is worth the wait. A McCain win, even though delayed, will be a breeze compared to four YEARS of Obama's rule.

453 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:42:13pm

re: #443 realwest

Of course, the problems with generalizations are that they can and frequently are, incorrect in specific cases.

Yes - and I did preface it with "perhaps." :)

454 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:42:42pm

re: #428 Freedom Fan

Some scary shit is going down on Wednesday. Say Goodbye To America

The left will come unglued as usual if they loose. We will calmly assume the position of loyal opposition if we loose. That's the difference between us and them.

455 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:43:43pm

Here's an image for you dear lizards to ponder as you fall asleep tonight. An old photograph of an inspiring moment in history which I hope and pray will repeat itself on Tuesday:

Image: dewey_defeats_truman_lg.jpg

456 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:14pm

re: #437 leftover54

It was the Adams Apple...

I thought it would have been the beard. :)

457 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:18pm

re: #450 blackpajamas

No matter who becomes President, the next campaign will see a record amount of campaign finance fraud, because the donks are seeing now that they can almost get away with anything.

458 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:19pm

re: #454 Rancher

The left will come unglued as usual if they loose. We will calmly assume the position of loyal opposition if we loose. That's the difference between us and them.

I dunno. Look at the hate mail Charles is getting. Some of them are already unglued.

459 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:31pm

re: #454 Rancher

The left will come unglued as usual if they loose. We will calmly assume the position of loyal opposition if we loose. That's the difference between us and them.

No kidding. You don't hear leftists worried about rioting conservatives.

460 quickredfox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:34pm

re: #451 ConservativeAtheist

Apophis, huh? Interesting name. I wonder if there is any intentional linkage to this Apophis which, although not evil, would potentially be very deadly.

The wikipedia article says yes.

461 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:44:41pm

re: #454 Rancher

The left will come unglued as usual if they loose. We will calmly assume the position of loyal opposition if we loose. That's the difference between us and them.

Then both sides should learn how to tighten!
;)

462 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:45:02pm

It would be wise to stock up on a few essentials tomorrow, just in case it is "uneasy" on the streets where you live, immediately after the election regardless of who wins.

463 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:45:07pm

re: #365 Charles


And in the thread about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking, I was told I would burn in hell for not believing in creationism. Along with the Pope.

Isabelle of Castile famously complained about the Pope being 'too secular'. Mainly for not supporting the exportation of the Inquisition from Spain to the rest of Christendom.

464 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:45:36pm
465 faraway  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #450 blackpajamas

No matter who becomes President, the next campaign will see a record amount of campaign finance fraud, because people are seeing now that they can almost get away with anything.

It wont be just Presidential candidates. What about the Dem opponent to the "Anti American" R Congresswoman who received $1 million in 1 day?

466 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:46:33pm

re: #461 gmsc

Then both sides should learn how to tighten!
;)


gmsc, I rest my case. rotflmao

467 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:46:42pm

re: #450 blackpajamas

No matter who becomes President, the next campaign will see a record amount of Democrat campaign finance fraud, because people Democrats are seeing now that they can almost get away with anything.

A Republican could never get away with the kind of stunts Obama is pulling.

468 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:47:38pm

re: #449 faraway

That's very well written.

Indeed. I think that piece is right on the money.

No pun intended.

This election cycle has, no matter what happens, Damned America.

469 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:48:14pm

re: #464 blackpajamas

Somehow I don't think the gay marriage issue is about sodomy. I think it's about rights.

470 wolfie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:48:19pm

re: #455 hermeneutics

Ah, yes! :) Let it be so!
And on that positive note, I will say goodnight to all!
Zzzz...

471 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:48:21pm

Does anyone know how Franken is polling in his Minn Senate race?

472 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:49:16pm
In any event, the takeaway here is that personally-directed criticism is a poor substitute for thinking. When someone criticizes you, they’re making it clear that they’ve not thought about you or anything else for that matter. Instead, they’re simply giving free rein to their emotions and showing their backside. In other words, those doing so are behaving childishly. Don’t make this mistake when offering criticism.

I find it absurd that it is only when I present something that many disagree with that I’m admonished to leave politics out of the content I present here; as if anyone but me has any say in what I present on my site.

Word! Hate-mail bitches: grow up!

473 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:49:23pm

re: #468 ErislDysnomia

Indeed. I think that piece is right on the money.

No pun intended.

This election cycle has, no matter what happens, Damned America.

But not G-d damned it , right? JW
/

474 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:49:25pm

re: #432 freetoken

As I pointed out in the spin-off link on this topic, over on WindsOfChange there is a different look at this.

Namely, while the Republicans want to make hay over Obama's coal remark, anyone supporting cap-and-trade or a carbon-tax, such as John McCain, are essentially trying to do the same thing Obama so coarsely outlined.

I voted for Sarah.

475 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:49:27pm

Franken

*spit*

476 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:50:27pm

re: #471 hermeneutics

Does anyone know how Franken is polling in his Minn Senate race?

According to the stories, Coleman and Franken are neck-and-neck.

477 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:51:01pm

re: #471 hermeneutics

Does anyone know how Franken is polling in his Minn Senate race?

He's behind by 3 to 4%. Keep fingers tightly crossed for this one.

478 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:51:24pm

re: #365 Charles
Thereby hopefully confirming what I've always said about LGF - it is indeed a great community - but we have our share of nuts, too.
I can't BELIEVE that anyone is still posting on that Birth Certificate thread, nor that anyone stupid or malignant enough to say "God is on record calling for the destruction" of women who have abortions are not being banned by you.
Just unbelievable Charles - after ALL THE WARNING you've given out prior to that thread, people are STILL POSTING ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!
May be a good time for you to close the comments for that thread.

479 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:51:28pm

thanks gmsc. If there is any justice in this election, Franken and Murtha will both lose.

And Obama.

Good night, Lizards.

480 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:51:47pm

re: #451 ConservativeAtheist

Apophis, huh? Interesting name. I wonder if there is any intentional linkage to this Apophis which, although not evil, would potentially be very deadly.

Well, yes, in a way.

The Goa'uld thousands of years ago played the role of gods in ancient Egypt and other places, taking those names.

They still live thanks to the Sarcophagus, which has restorative powers when you spend regular time in one.

It was one of many inventions of the Ancients, who lived from several million years ago to about 10,000 years ago, when they fled their galaxy to ours to escape some really bad actors known as the Wraith.

The Goa'uld are scavengers of Ancient technology, which includes the Stargate system.

Got it now?

481 Tarkus289  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:51:49pm

Good night all.


Never underestimate the power of the curtain.

482 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:52:01pm

G'Night, hermeneutics!

483 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:52:15pm

re: #476 gmsc

According to the stories, Coleman and Franken are neck-and-neck.

Senator Al Franken. Nuh-uh.

484 ConservativeAtheist  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:52:26pm

re: #460 quickredfox

The wikipedia article says yes.

Thanks, I didn't know that.

485 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:52:41pm

re: #375 abolitionist
Oh, yeah - have tried three mice on it. Definitely a whacked out UBS port!

486 wiffersnapper  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:52:53pm

He's saying what I've been saying for years! Thank you Andy!

487 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:53:12pm

re: #483 JohnAdams

Senator Al Franken. Nuh-uh.

To me, he'll never be more than one of the drunk luggage handlers from Trading Places.

488 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:53:19pm

Obama is a divider, not a uniter.

What really made me sick recently was that Obama claimed that McCain is willing to say things to divide the country rather than unite it (as he claims to be doing.)

Obama's candidacy has damaged the U.S. horribly already and the damage will keep coming no matter who wins on Tuesday (although the safety of the country and the U.S. Constitution will survive in much better shape if McCain wins.)

Obama is the curse of the Weathermen.

By the way, when Biden made his famous speech about how screwed America will be shortly after the election (as others try to "test" the Obama) - Biden made a point of saying that the American people wouldn't like Obama's response to it but that the people should be patient and not think badly of Obama (or however he put it.)

Obama is planning on screwing the entire country and Biden knows it.

489 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:53:32pm

#435 Ooops, meant to click "preview", was hardly done.
Oh well. Time for sleep.
ps - I have 2 that were long term projects, one that has taken several years and one that I now think is hopeless.
Nothing like realwest but I tried (not done yet, 'til the fat lady sings" or the polls close). I have to say, I'm so proud of my kids ! I was afraid to ask how they were going to vote considering I had to fight the entire local public school system for 12+ years ! The arguments ! Good G_d ! But I musta done somethin' right ! Didn't have to ask ! An Obama commercial came on the TV while they were here for a visit. They took off ! The youngest is just entering the full time work force and he is not at all pleased with the thought that his pay check will someday be a target, maybe sooner than later.
That opened the flood gates - I have zero doubt that they will not cancel out my (and their mothers) vote on Tuesday ! I'm so proud ! Then I remembered the line "if your not liberal when you're young you don't have a heart, not conservative when you're older you don't have a brain" (or something close). Guess they grow up quick these days ! I'm hoping we can all pile in the same car and vote together ! Oh, did I tell you how proud I am ? LOL ! I can't wait.

490 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:53:55pm

re: #469 unrealizedviewpoint

Somehow I don't think the gay marriage issue is about sodomy. I think it's about rights.

It certainly is about rights. However, it's also a state sanctioning of something. In this case, men can just run out, get married, then get tax breaks because of it. However, there will be side effects, such as mano-a-mano divorce, and new fields of law, fresh lawyers, and a giant new bloating of the legal codes will be sure to follow. It's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare.

491 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:54:13pm

re: #463 Scion9

Isabelle of Castile famously complained about the Pope being 'too secular'. Mainly for not supporting the exportation of the Inquisition from Spain to the rest of Christendom.

Ever since they expelled the Muslims, Spain has considered itself more Catholic than the Vatican.

492 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:55:37pm

re: #487 gmsc

To me, he'll never be more than one of the drunk luggage handlers from Trading Places.

And Jim Belushi in a gorilla suit. "Happy New Year!"

493 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:56:01pm

re: #491 victor_yugo

Ever since they expelled the Muslims, Spain has considered itself more Catholic than the Vatican.

Yeah. It is starting to swing in line with the rest of Europe though. Hopefully they don't do it in Spanish fashion and try to out socialist the socialists.

494 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:56:06pm

re: #458 victor_yugo

I dunno. Look at the hate mail Charles is getting. Some of them are already unglued.

A small minority. There will be no Obama Deranged Syndrome large enough to be classified as a mental disorder.

495 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:56:50pm

re: #489 leftover54

The youngest is just entering the full time work force and he is not at all pleased with the thought that his pay check will someday be a target, maybe sooner than later.

Zogby wrote recently that McCain has started to capture more of the "young" vote recently because many young people don't want to start their work lives knowing that they'll be punished for succeeding later.

It's a surprise demographic to be turning to McCain, but apparently it's noticed.

496 opilio  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:57:33pm

re: #455 hermeneutics

Here's an image for you dear lizards to ponder as you fall asleep tonight. An old photograph of an inspiring moment in history which I hope and pray will repeat itself on Tuesday:

[Link: i52.photobucket.com...]

Something like this ?

497 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:57:40pm

re: #494 Rancher

A small minority. There will be no Obama Deranged Syndrome large enough to be classified as a mental disorder.

Agreed, but one nutcase can fuck it up for everyone.

498 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:58:03pm

re: #490 blackpajamas

It certainly is about rights. However, it's also a state sanctioning of something. In this case, men can just run out, get married, then get tax breaks because of it. However, there will be side effects, such as mano-a-mano divorce, and new fields of law, fresh lawyers, and a giant new bloating of the legal codes will be sure to follow. It's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare.

Everything today is a bureaucratic nightmare. I took exception to your choice of wording. never mind...

499 lummox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:58:41pm

re: #490 blackpajamas

It certainly is about rights. However, it's also a state sanctioning of something. In this case, men can just run out, get married, then get tax breaks because of it. However, there will be side effects, such as mano-a-mano divorce, and new fields of law, fresh lawyers, and a giant new bloating of the legal codes will be sure to follow. It's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare.

At least there won't be child custody claims, unless adoption is liberalized too.

500 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:59:00pm

If Obama wins, I'll declare myself an illegal alien, so his social programs can compete over me for hand-outs, and if Prop 8 fails in California, I'll attempt to marry myself for the tax breaks -- I should have the right, yes?

501 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:59:05pm

Well all y'all it's really late and I am TIRED. Took my meds about half and hour ago and must get to sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, all.

502 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:59:19pm

re: #467 wolfie

A Republican could never get away with the kind of stunts Obama is pulling.

Most Republicans would never dream of attempting them. Always the odd one though, but damn if they don't seem to get caught in record time.

503 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:59:25pm

re: #494 Rancher

A small minority. There will be no Obama Deranged Syndrome large enough to be classified as a mental disorder.

Many a folk sought therapy following Gore's loss to Bush.

504 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:00:41pm

Wow - I really hope that Sarah Palin's staff is reading the right wing blogs!

There are so many things coming up here (including in the link viewer) that it would be impossible to try to get through to her staff via email for all the news.

I'm glad it seems that they're looking.

Hi Sarah!

You're awesome!

505 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:00:50pm

re: #474 Rancher

I voted for Sarah.

So you have said. And said. And said.

506 Rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:00:56pm

I'm out of here, Iron Fist dictates I should leave. Any further posts tonight by "Rancher" wil come from the Rustler.

Good night lizards.

507 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:01:29pm

re: #501 realwest

Weet Dreams RW

508 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:02:24pm

Let's take a look at the mindset of these young voters. The students who entered college in 2008 were mostly born in 1990. This means:

For these students, Sammy Davis Jr., Jim Henson, Ryan White, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Freddy Krueger have always been dead.

• Harry Potter could be a classmate, playing on their Quidditch team.
• Since they were in diapers, karaoke machines have been annoying people at parties.
• They have always been looking for Carmen Sandiego.
• GPS satellite navigation systems have always been available.
• Coke and Pepsi have always used recycled plastic bottles.
• Shampoo and conditioner have always been available in the same bottle.
• Gas stations have never fixed flats, but most serve cappuccino.
• Their parents may have dropped them in shock when they heard George Bush announce “tax revenue increases.”
• Electronic filing of tax returns has always been an option.
• Girls in head scarves have always been part of the school fashion scene.
• All have had a relative--or known about a friend's relative--who died comfortably at home with Hospice.
• As a precursor to “whatever,” they have recognized that some people “just don’t get it.”
• Universal Studios has always offered an alternative to Mickey in Orlando.
• Grandma has always had wheels on her walker.
• Martha Stewart Living has always been setting the style.
• Haagen-Dazs ice cream has always come in quarts.
• Club Med resorts have always been places to take the whole family.
• [Link: WWW...] never stood for World Wide Wrestling.
• Films have never been X rated, only NC-17.
• The Warsaw Pact is as hazy for them as the League of Nations was for their parents.
• Students have always been "Rocking the Vote.”
• Clarence Thomas has always sat on the Supreme Court.
• Schools have always been concerned about multiculturalism.
• We have always known that “All I Ever Really Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten.”
• There have always been gay rabbis.
• Wayne Newton has never had a mustache.
• College grads have always been able to Teach for America.
• IBM has never made typewriters.
• Roseanne Barr has never been invited to sing the National Anthem again.
• McDonald’s and Burger King have always used vegetable oil for cooking french fries.
• They have never been able to color a tree using a raw umber Crayola.
• There has always been Pearl Jam.
• The Tonight Show has always been hosted by Jay Leno and started at 11:35 EST.
• Pee-Wee has never been in his playhouse during the day.
• They never tasted Benefit Cereal with psyllium.
• They may have been given a Nintendo Game Boy to play with in the crib.
• Authorities have always been building a wall along the Mexican border.
• Lenin’s name has never been on a major city in Russia.
• Employers have always been able to do credit checks on employees.
• Balsamic vinegar has always been available in the U.S.
• Macaulay Culkin has always been Home Alone.
• Their parents may have watched The American Gladiators on TV the day they were born.
• Personal privacy has always been threatened.
• Caller ID has always been available on phones.
• Living wills have always been asked for at hospital check-ins.
• The Green Bay Packers (almost) always had the same starting quarterback.
• They never heard an attendant ask “Want me to check under the hood?”
• Iced tea has always come in cans and bottles.
• Soft drink refills have always been free.
• They have never known life without Seinfeld references from a show about “nothing.”
• Windows 3.0 operating system made IBM PCs user-friendly the year they were born.
• Muscovites have always been able to buy Big Macs.

509 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:03:19pm

re: #494 Rancher

A small minority. There will be no Obama Deranged Syndrome large enough to be classified as a mental disorder.

It isn't the size of the following, but how loud it barks. BDS is such a joke because it isn't a lunatic fringe spouting nonsense but people that are actually employed by news organizations, etc. I'm sure there are more than enough wingnuts if you wanted to dig for them. Putting a microphone in front of them, paying them six figure salaries and giving them an audience is a lot less likely to happen though. The right-wing wackos will never be 'mainstreamed', keeping them on the fringe.

510 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:03:33pm

re: #496 opilio

Something like this ?

Nice. I like that!

511 JohnAdams  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:03:58pm

re: #501 realwest

Keep it real my man.

512 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:05:22pm

Yes to all. Better the win no matter what. After thinking about it, the worst is just not turning on the TV ! I only "watch" movie channels anyhow, so this is an easy one. I have the TV on, in the background, while I'm on here and thats when I get the most aggravated - just having to suffer through Colmbes' voice to hear who I WANT to hear speak...
No TV, no problems. Like nothings happening. Just hanging out here of course to stay grounded ! OK ! That was easy !

513 Outrider  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:05:25pm

re: #503 unrealizedviewpoint

Many a folk sought therapy following Gore's loss to Bush.

apparently it didn't take.

514 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:05:46pm

re: #499 lummox

At least there won't be child custody claims, unless adoption is liberalized too.

Well, there are already couples lined up that want to adopt children. And I've got nothing against two men raising kids. Those kids might turn out to be a little bit different than their counterparts, and that will open a new cottage industry for counselors, head-doctors, and Hollywood types that want to "rescue" kids from broken "gay" homes.

515 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:07:17pm

re: #508 gmsc

• Windows 3.0 operating system made IBM PCs user-friendly the year they were born.

For a very broad definition of "user-friendly".

516 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:07:54pm

re: #503 unrealizedviewpoint

Many a folk sought therapy following Gore's loss to Bush.

PEST: Post Election Selection Trauma

517 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:08:42pm

re: #488 Adina in Judea

By the way, when Biden made his famous speech about how screwed America will be shortly after the election (as others try to "test" the Obama) - Biden made a point of saying that the American people wouldn't like Obama's response to it but that the people should be patient and not think badly of Obama (or however he put it.)

Obama is planning on screwing the entire country and Biden knows it.

The first thing I thought when I heard Biden make those remarks was, He's actually standing there telling us that Obama will be taking some of our rights away... literally giving us advanced warning.

That bothered me more than him guaranteeing that our Country will be tested if Obama is elected.

518 jester6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:10:52pm

re: #494 Rancher

A small minority. There will be no Obama Deranged Syndrome large enough to be classified as a mental disorder.

When liberals get upset they seek therapy and call it a sickness.

When conservatives get upset they seek self-control and deal with it.

Although, the might define Obama Defiance Syndrome as a reason to be sent to the state mental hospital. But that is pretty far down the road.

519 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:11:32pm

re: #498 unrealizedviewpoint

Everything today is a bureaucratic nightmare. I took exception to your choice of wording. never mind...

Tut-tut. Remember, we don't take anything anymore (that's very Hillary), in the Age of Obama we redistribute.

520 jester6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:12:27pm

re: #517 gop_patriot

The first thing I thought when I heard Biden make those remarks was, He's actually standing there telling us that Obama will be taking some of our rights away... literally giving us advanced warning.

That bothered me more than him guaranteeing that our Country will be tested if Obama is elected.

I thought the same thing.

521 jester6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:16:49pm

re: #514 blackpajamas

Well, there are already couples lined up that want to adopt children. And I've got nothing against two men raising kids. Those kids might turn out to be a little bit different than their counterparts, and that will open a new cottage industry for counselors, head-doctors, and Hollywood types that want to "rescue" kids from broken "gay" homes.

I agree the kids might be a little different. But the choice is not between growing up in a hetro-nuclear-family or a homo-nuclear-family. The kids going to the gay couple would often otherwise be wards of the state or grow up in an orphanage in the third world.

A little different is a lot better than the alternative.

522 blackpajamas  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:23:02pm

re: #521 jester6

I agree the kids might be a little different. But the choice is not between growing up in a hetro-nuclear-family or a homo-nuclear-family. The kids going to the gay couple would often otherwise be wards of the state or grow up in an orphanage in the third world.

A little different is a lot better than the alternative.

You bring up an interesting question.

Imaging that you or I were a youth in a foster home. Would we care if our adopters were a gay couple? Maybe. Furthermore, would we, the adoptee have a choice of what kind of couple adopts us?

Presumably even wards of the state have some fundamental right to the nature of their adopters.

523 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:31:08pm

Biden has an IQ of 14.6.

524 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:32:20pm

re: #523 pat

Biden has an IQ of 14.6.

If it's that low, isn't the .6 academic?

525 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:54:58pm

re: #340 Adina in Judea

Perhaps more gay people see artistic endeavors as something they'd be more interested to pursue or else they see the artistic world as a friendlier environment than some other professions.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you're on to something.

From where I sit, "the arts" is the one place in our culture where being gay isn't a liability. I think the over-representation of gay people in things like theatre or fashion is a kind of chicken-and-egg or nature-vs-nurture question. There's no straight answer, pun possibly intended.

That's as deep as I'll get on this subject, though, because I am straight as an arrow sexually, I can't comment for lack of experience or even gay friends, and frankly, I don't care about anybody's sexual orientation (unless they're after me and won't take no for an answer)

/seriously, I've only ever been hit on by gay guys - never women. Sigh.

526 pleaseandthankyou  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 11:58:22pm

Thanks for posting this Charles. My profession is related to the arts and I find that my peers are the most in lockstep with each others regarding political opinions, and the most intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. They often can't even conceive of the possibility that someone might disagree with them. I call them liberal Nazis, because that is how they often behave. I've never known a more hypocritical bunch. I'm not proud of it, but I have to stay in the closet with my political opinions because I am certain that I would be shunned and ostracized if they were known. This is why I admire the courage of Mr. Rutlege so much.

527 fat.elvis  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:14am

I work in this biz. This is a brave man. At my current workplace the only prudent option is STFU or make a joke when politics come up.

528 fat.elvis  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:51am

Hey 526! (wave)

529 pleaseandthankyou  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:03am

Hey fat elvis, I feel your pain.

530 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:37am

re: #311 jaunte

You gotta love a 'Western Duck Bill Hook.'

I have actually used a Peavey on occasion to move logs around. It's a very useful tool, if you have to move logs around.

There is a similar tool, minus the spike on the end of the shaft, that is called a "cant hook".

531 SteveRogers  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:27:42am

re: #391 Salem

Yeah, it's crazy! I remember when I expressed a healthy, perfectly natural sexual attraction to Sarah Palin, not even as crude as you might hear on South Park and I thought some of the people would have strung me up if they coul...

Oh wait, that was in the previous thread...

Sounds like it wasn't as healthy as you thought.
At least, not if "some of the people" caught you.

532 Strike Hornet  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:41:20am

re: #381 unrealizedviewpoint

Harold Ford Jr. would make for a wonderful donk presidential candidate.

concur. Harold is a good and decent fairminded man. I don't agree with his politics but he is honest, reasonable and loves this country. I would not fear a Harold ford presidency as I do an obama presidency.

533 Uncle Joe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:01am
"So it seems that there is significant disagreement in the Leftist design community as to just what gender’s genitals best describes me. Surely, the debate rages on."

I lol'd.

534 patrickafir  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:15am

I'm fine at work, where I generally keep my political views to myself, but internet forums for designers is another story. Trying to converse with other designers about politics is easy if you subscribe to simplistic far left groupthink. If you don't, you're excoriated. Your character is maligned and your work is denigrated. It's pathetic.

Paul Rand, arguably the most important graphic designer ever, said "Good design is goodwill." Times have changed. Good design is now, to a sizable majority of these typographic totalitarians at least, good propaganda for assailing the very institutions that undergird free speech, expression, and conscience.

535 wintercat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:19:40am

Spent a lifetime in the arts. Andy is right on in what he says.

536 readytofight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:45:55am

If this country falls, it will be from a lack of courage. Good for Andy, but how many people in this country have the courage to speak the truth and call it like it is?

537 newdad49  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:26:39am

I stand with Andy 100%. Ive been a designer for 25 years. Its been 20 years since I saw an print ad for a pair of jeans that was "cutting edge" showing a priest and a nun kissing. Things have not changed any since then. Showing religion in a demeaning way is totally accepted in the mass market. If a designer REALLY wants to cutting edge and do something new and innovative, design something like no other designer in the room would design, show a positive message full of hope and show life and our world in positive manner. As I always tell my kids any monkey with a stick can point out what is wrong with the world, it takes a talented human to show how to fix it.

538 Mark1957  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:06:10am

"Bruno" says, "The Obama Revolution will be bee-yoo-tee-ful and dee-lite-ful for fashion. Dat man! Vaht a hunk! I vould crawl through hot coals naked to sneef his used boxers. He iz so Obamalicious!

Image: bruno_narrowweb__300x3710.jpg

539 anubis_soundwave  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:19:59am

I saw the kind of stupid that Andy's pointing out with a classmate's design project on display at my technical college (I've gone back to college for a COMMERCIAL GRAPHICS degree.).

My classmate did a campaign poster for Obama where he was dressed as Che Guevara; in his own words, it wasn't even negative ("anti-Obama"). He had to do research on the candidate and based on that research, he came up with the slogan "Make a Stand for Socialism...!"

Some idiot minga melon at my college opted to write on his poster. (Thankfully, it was already graded.)

You know, if I were undecided about the candidates, I wouldn't vote for That One based on the systematic rudeness of his supporters. Anyone attracting the support of such trolls has something wrong and uncivil about him.

Whatever happened to: "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?" It's one of the ideas behind the American way of life.

Jerks like these really are making it HIP TO BE SQUARE.

540 the lizard  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:31am

being a conservative designer in an industry infested with liberals tests your mettle, that's for sure. i'm surrounded by them.

the fact is, leftists are leftists, no matter the industry. they believe that free speech only applies to them and you must be bat-shit crazy if you don't think like them. i designed a poster for one of michelle malkin's contests and you wouldn't believe the volume of hate mail i received.

group-think does not foster creativity. just take a look back at the lame attempt at design with the barks for barack poster. a lazy graphic designer who doesn't even understand the history of constructivism. it's pathetic.

541 Mauser  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:07am

I think we killed his hamsters.

542 wintercat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:13am

re: #539 anubis_soundwave

Whatever happened to: "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?" It's one of the ideas behind the American way of life.


That sentiment only applies when it is you defending their right to say whatever they want. As for your right to freespeech? You are on your own.

543 Lanzman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 10:06:39am

It's long been a puzzle to me why such a large part of the creative community is so hopelessly leftist. Doesn't history show that when a leftist regime takes power, it's the intelligentsia and the artists and whatnot who are among the first to be rounded up for "re-education"?

544 Emery Calame  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:47pm

While I completely understand that doing anything that annoys a leftist is overblown into a massive pseudo-crime and that leftists tend to only tolerate the thoughts of those they agree with...

BUT...

" We learned that the idea of political dissent being the duty of a designer-citizen is a fallacy. "

How is this not wildly empty and masturbatoory Berkeley coffee clatch talk ? Designers either achieve a concrete goal or please a customer/client and they do it for money. Otherwise they are freaking glorified hobbiests. They are not worshipping the muse with their every breath and movement. They are not keeping culture one step ahead of the barbarians, the dims, the bourgeois, and intellectual darkness.

Please. This whole article is someone saying "I pissed them all off and they yelled at me and they claim they love confrontation and dialogue but they really don't and that makes them a bunch of hypocrites." The problem is that he said it in the most bizarre, goofy terminology possible which makes me think of clowns slap fighting with props and pies in the center ring.


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