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Ohio Coal Association on Obama's Plan to Wipe Them Out

Politics | Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:44:35 am PST

Just released via Fox News, a statement from Mike Carey, president of the Ohio Coal Association:

The message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands of Americans who work in it.

It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Indiana, and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes from coal supporters, while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters.

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1 kcladderman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:46:16am

Thats the best news i read all day.

2 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:46:36am

Vote for us, so we can put you out of business! That is not a very catchy slogan

3 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:46:40am

And some people are still undecided.

4 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:46:47am

C'mon, coal states -- reject Obama!

5 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:47:00am

If Obama loses all those states, he loses the election. Could it be that the biggest gaffe comes from The One!

6 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:47:01am
It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Indiana, and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes from coal supporters, while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters.

Fuck!

Just now you're figuring this out? Just now?

7 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:47:20am

And many of those are battleground states. NOW will you Virginians, Pennsylvanians, and Ohioans vote against this clown? Please?

8 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:47:55am

I think central and western PA are already going GOP. Isn't it the Philly area that always tilts the scales to the Dems? This would not have that much of an effect in that area. Maybe in SE Ohio, though. Northern VA, perhaps?

Please, Lord, please.

9 new2thezoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:48:02am

Guess what BHO is getting in his Christmas stocking?

10 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:48:10am

Yeah, but Sarah Palin talks funny. /

11 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:48:24am

New at zomblog, part of today's "Obama dump":

Baruch Obama

Obama supporters get furious when anyone mentions that his middle name is Hussein — because it’s so obviously Arabic. But no one ever seems to point out that “Barack” is also Arabic — it means “blessed” and is a Swahili loan word from Arabic. The closely related Hebrew named “Baruch” also means “blessed” — which I suppose this bumpersticker would translate as (though I can’t read Hebrew so I have no idea what it actually says).
12 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:48:57am

I find myself living in a bizaro world where I actually wish it were Hillary Clinton poised to take the White House tomorrow. It's finally gotten that bad.

13 PAgirlinNC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:00am

No wonder he wanted his followers to vote early... And I don't think the coal comment is the biggest bombshell he was (is) worried about getting out. There is definitely more.

14 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:07am

re: #8 calcajun

Northern VA, perhaps?

No, NoVA is liberal. If it swings votes in SW VA, though, that could be crucial.

15 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:15am

The Dems are the party of energy stasism. They are hell bent to put conservatives in chains on bikes to produce power since all of the other power sources that actually work are verboten in their books. Maybe that's what Barack's Army is for.

16 Onslow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:24am

Obama's plan probably doesn't bide well for rate-payers whose electric utility plants burn coal.

17 Hydrocarbon Hank  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:46am

I love it......Viva McCain.

18 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:50am

Can someone buzz this up, please?
I have difficulties seeing the security letters ...

And keep buzzing it up, please!
Thank you!

19 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:49:53am

Doesn't Hussein mean pander in Arabic?

20 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:04am

re: #11 zombie

After the name (and party affiliation), he has no other similarity with another famous Baruch...Bernard Baruch.

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:06am

re: #2 Desert Dog

Vote for us, so we can put you out of business! That is not a very catchy slogan

OBAMA FOR BUST!

22 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:07am

Does this mean the coal miners' unions will change their endorsements?

Much as I want the election to be over, I also wish we had a little more time, since questionable stuff about Obama comes to light every day.

23 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #6 Racer X

Fuck!

Just now you're figuring this out? Just now?


Don't worry next week this will all come out. ///

24 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:53am

Yet the Mine Workers Union endores The One.

25 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #16 Onslow

Thank God we run off a nice clean nuke. However, what if he gets some anti-nuke zealot at Department of Energy...maybe I should start looking into fireplace inserts.

26 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:03am

But... but it was just a "rhetorical fluorish!"

27 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:04am

re: #11 zombie

I know I'm supposed to emulate you and not thank you, but thanks for your tireless efforts to expose Barry.

28 The Ronin Edge  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:20am

I prey this will be enough to open people's eyes. The scariest thing about this guy, is that he's been saying for YEARS what his plans are. YEARS. And despite this, he has a legion of sycophantic followers hurling themselves at his feet.

It just does not compute... does the majority of the nation REALLY feel this way? That THIS is what our founders wanted? Really?

/digs himself back into his hole.

29 CynicalConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:39am

re: #25 joncelli

Thank God we run off a nice clean nuke. However, what if he gets some anti-nuke zealot at Department of Energy...maybe I should start looking into fireplace inserts.

Won't be able to afford that with the carbon credits that you'll have to buy.

30 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:40am

Hmmm, I keep getting this weird bug where doing something little like clicking a rating is getting me logged out and sent to the frontpage. The hamsters aren't just overworked, they're evidently doing drugs, too.

31 Shanimal1918  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:47am

IE7 is working fine for me. I can't even get chrome to work on Vista, and Firefox 3 constatly crashes so I'm sticking with IE7.

"All your anti-MS bias are belong to us"

32 bsjracing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:49am

And the SF newspaper not sat on this?

33 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:51am
Just released via Fox News, a statement from Mike Carey, president of the Ohio Coal Association

And the other MSM outlets....?

/chirping crickets

34 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:51:53am

The message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands of Americans who work in it.

Not to worry. Under an Obama administration, the laid off coal workers are sure to get jobs in flourishing green collar industries.

/sarc

35 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:17am

re: #9 new2thezoo

Guess what BHO is getting in his Christmas stocking?

A mountain of coal!

36 politicalinsomniac  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:20am

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me really doubt that Americans will actually elect this buffoon tomorrow, no matter what the polls say.

Really, what coal-worker in their right mind would cast a vote for Obama in PA, OH, WV, IN, or VA?

37 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:22am

Coal States = swing states. Nice Job, Obama! You just shot yourself in the foot.

38 noshariaincanada  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:29am

re: #11 zombie

New at zomblog, part of today's "Obama dump":

Baruch Obama

Hi Zombie, the hebrew says "Barack Obama"

39 Nutmeg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:33am

The real kicker though, is not the coal industry as much as it is what this will do to the price of electricity. You thought $4 gas was bad, wait until your electric bill is $500!

40 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:38am

re: #30 Lizard by the Bay

Hmmm, I keep getting this weird bug where doing something little like clicking a rating is getting me logged out and sent to the frontpage. The hamsters aren't just overworked, they're evidently doing drugs, too.

I switched to Firefox a few days ago. It loads like a flash. Charles recommended it today.

41 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #22 arethusa

Does this mean the coal miners' unions will change their endorsements?

Much as I want the election to be over, I also wish we had a little more time, since questionable stuff about Obama comes to light every day.

Hey, some time ago I suggested postponing the election until the Acorn fraud issues could be resolved, but I got called a Moby!

42 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:22am

re: #9 new2thezoo

Guess what BHO is getting in his Christmas stocking?

Do you think he celebrates Christmas? Seriously.

43 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:22am

re: #37 CapeCoddah

Coal States = swing states. Nice Job, Obama! You just shot yourself in the foot.

Meant Battleground states!

44 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:31am

The next thing you know, Obama will come for me!

Signed,
Desert Dog
Owner,
Amalgamated Asbestos and DDT

45 ballantrae  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:47am

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the coal industry wiped out, if we would replace it with Big Oil, or Nucular Power. But of course, he's not going to do that either.

46 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:50am

re: #40 kansas

I switched to Firefox a few days ago. It loads like a flash. Charles recommended it today.

Yes, I use Firefox at home and I love it, but I don't have that luxury on my work workstation.

47 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:51am

re: #11 zombie

New at zomblog, part of today's "Obama dump":

Baruch Obama

I like this Hebrew Obama sticker.

48 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:56am

I had just posted when the previous thread went stale.....so while OT....posting again.

Since it is a new month, and a mid-day thread, AND we had a new lizard sign up today, it is time.......time for the monthly update on Poster Children....total career posts. Below is fresh. As always let me know if I missed anyone. For newbies, these are your elders.

Sharmuta and Zombie moved up two spots. I am afraid we have lost MigueldowninMexico who has not posted in several months. Realwest is still in the lead but Mandy is charging hard. - Enjoy


Realwest - 62168
Mandy Manners - 59868
zulubaby - 44052
Occasional Reader - 41931
Kilgore Trout - 37362
Ward Cleaver - 35762
Sharmuta - 33037
christheprofessor - 31511
JCM - 29052
Peacekeeper - 28307
Buzzsawmonkey - 27797
Killian Bundy - 27350
Zombie - 25121
MigueldowninMexico - 24920
JammieWearingFool - 24286
Writermom - 24279
NY Nana - 23906
Taxfreekiller - 23719
littleoldlady - 21860
Lawhawk - 21360
Dianna - 21083
Catttt - 20709
Charles - 19522
redstateredneck - 18959

49 Annar  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:53:59am

Be nice if these guys protected their interests with some last minute TV publicity. Buy now or regret tomorrow.

50 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:04am

re: #4 zombie

C'mon, coal states -- reject Obama!

Also anyone who uses electricity.

51 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:07am

re: #42 kansas

Do you think he celebrates Christmas? Seriously.

Well, he's promising free goodies to all like he's Santa Claus!

52 Spirit93  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:10am

re: #39 Nutmeg

The real kicker though, is not the coal industry as much as it is what this will do to the price of electricity. You thought $4 gas was bad, wait until your electric bill is $500!

And thereby the entire economy.

53 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #9 new2thezoo

Guess what BHO is getting in his Christmas stocking?

And, a bundle of switches.

54 Tilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:25am

Hope & Change but no coal in our stocking for a warm winter!

55 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:32am

re: #45 ballantrae

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the coal industry wiped out, if we would replace it with Big Oil, or Nucular Power. But of course, he's not going to do that either.

I disagree. We need all.

Including oil shale.

56 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:34am

re: #34 Dirk Diggler

The message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands of Americans who work in it.

Not to worry. Under an Obama administration, the laid off coal workers are sure to get jobs in flourishing green collar industries.

/sarc

Gawd - he's proposing to throw money about as if it grew on trees!
Billion here, few more there - who cares, its not his money, its only the stupid taxpayers' money ...

57 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:42am

Has the miner's union said anything?

58 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:48am

re: #8 calcajun

I think central and western PA are already going GOP. Isn't it the Philly area that always tilts the scales to the Dems? This would not have that much of an effect in that area. Maybe in SE Ohio, though. Northern VA, perhaps?

Please, Lord, please.

How about the rest of the coal producing states though:
Wyoming Solid McCain
West Virginia Leaning McCain
Kentucky Solid McCain
Pennsylvania Obama Leads
Texas Solid McCain
Montana Leaning McCain
Illinois Solid Obama
Virginia Obama Leads
North Dakota Leaning McCain
Colorado Leaning Obama
Indiana Leaning McCain
New Mexico Obama Leads
Utah Solid McCain
Ohio Obama Leads
Alabama Solid McCain
Arizona Solid McCain

59 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:54:58am

re: #47 Alouette

LOL

60 Hydrocarbon Hank  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:00am

I'm about to have a total meltdown.....

First, I get to watch perhaps the best college football game of the year live from the 40 yard line (Texas Tech v. UT.....Love my Raiders)

Now, I've got to sit through 36 hours of this stuff.

MELTDOWN.

61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:01am

re: #50 gregg

Also anyone who uses electricity.

Who needs electricity - we ride the bus!
/

62 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:18am

No Offshore Drilling
No Wind generators off Teddy Kennedy's compound
No New Hydro power
No Nuclear
No Yucca flats
No Natural Gas drilling
No drilling in ANWR


... and now the Dem's want to bankrupt 50 percent of our energy supply....

63 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:28am

Coal miners are those Democrats that I call the Greatly Deceived. I know many of them, and they all believe the bull that the GOP hates them, and that the Dems are friends of "the working man."

Although, on an issue by issue basis, these are some of the most pro-American, religious, and conservative people around.

If they took an issue quiz, they'd find out they are Republicans, but they just believe what the unions tell them.

64 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:29am

This "coal" comment has been out in the ether for some time and WHY is anyone surprised that Obama is against heavy industry re-capitalization.

65 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:29am

re: #48 Big Steve

I am afraid we have lost MigueldowninMexico who has not posted in several months.

I've missed Miguel...does anyone know what has happened to him?

66 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:33am

re: #26 Dar ul Harb

But... but it was just a "rhetorical fluorish!"

Or a "price signal."

67 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:36am

Now instead of Chavez or Ayers sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom, it'll be Joe the Plumber, saying to himself, "Screw you, Obama".

68 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:38am

How ironic. A lump of coal for the coal industry.

69 Vashta.Nerada  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:39am

Carey, or someone like him, should try for an ad on Monday Night Football. Steelers are on...

70 Beholden  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:44am

Please, I hope it's not too late!

I would hate to have to erase "Hope" and "Change" from my vocabulary in protest.

Go Mac!

71 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:50am

re: #45 ballantrae

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the coal industry wiped out, if we would replace it with Big Oil, or Nucular Power. But of course, he's not going to do that either.

Yeah, me too. I for one am sick to death of having electricity.//////////

72 Pyrocles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:56am

I think that's the real point - to put us greedy Americans in our place and make us live simple virtuous lives like those in the third world. According to the Obama and the Left in general, Americans have too much, and the playing field needs to be leveled globally for the good of social justice.

re: #39 Nutmeg

The real kicker though, is not the coal industry as much as it is what this will do to the price of electricity. You thought $4 gas was bad, wait until your electric bill is $500!

73 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #5 Lee Coller

If Obama loses all those states, he loses the election. Could it be that the biggest gaffe comes from The One!

If conservatives can get the word out in time.

I hate skin-of-your-teeth finished, especially where issues such as the existence of your culture and country are concerned.

74 MrSnuggles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:18am

Please God, let this be the lightening bolt that strikes down the Obama campaign...

75 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:20am

re: #73 ErislDysnomia

If conservatives can get the word out in time.

I hate skin-of-your-teeth finished finishes, especially where issues such as the existence of your culture and country are concerned.

76 noshariaincanada  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:21am

re: #47 Alouette

I like this Hebrew Obama sticker.


I read it as "Phack Obama" ;)

77 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:35am

re: #47 Alouette

I like this Hebrew Obama sticker.

Thanks for posting that. I remember that from months ago, and I've been trying to find it ever since.

78 GoIllini  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:39am

re: #12 Lizard by the Bay

I find myself living in a bizaro world where I actually wish it were Hillary Clinton poised to take the White House tomorrow. It's finally gotten that bad.

I've voiced similar comments to my friends. What a sad, sad state of affairs when one finds oneself pining for Hillary (well, okay, not pining per se, but you know what I mean).

79 rw in san diego  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:48am

re: #11 zombie

I like reading the Hebrew as "Oy-bama"

80 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:56:51am

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Hey, we'll just set up a bike to generate electricity, like in Soylent Green. I'll get my boyish figure back and we'll have lights 4 hours a day! What could go wrong?

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:10am

WHOOOOOOO HAH!

82 nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:11am

So lets see the Coal News snuck out Nov.2nd and the LA Times tape will sneak out what Nov. 5th, 6th?

83 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:17am

The "Change" Obama promises- that so many fools find appealing- is an all purpose synonym for destroy.

84 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:21am

re: #72 Pyrocles

I think that's the real point - to put us greedy Americans in our place and make us live simple virtuous lives like those in the third world. According to the Obama and the Left in general, Americans have too much, and the playing field needs to be leveled globally for the good of social justice.

F*** "SOCIAL JUSTICE."

EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY IS THE TRUE "SOCIAL JUSTICE."

85 Pyrocles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:40am

Energy is EVIL since it allows the proles to "do things". And it pollutes... /

re: #62 Thanos

No Offshore Drilling
No Wind generators off Teddy Kennedy's compound
No New Hydro power
No Nuclear
No Yucca flats
No Natural Gas drilling
No drilling in ANWR


... and now the Dem's want to bankrupt 50 percent of our energy supply....

86 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:41am

0bama endorsements:

Gain: Colin Powell
Lose: Coal & Power

87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:44am

re: #63 Silhouette

Coal miners are those Democrats that I call the Greatly Deceived. I
know many of them, and they all believe the bull that the GOP hates
them, and that the Dems are friends of "the working man."

Although, on an issue by issue basis, these are some of the most pro-American, religious, and conservative people around.

If they took an issue quiz, they'd find out they are Republicans, but they just believe what the unions tell them.

Those are the people that the GOP needs to reach out to for 2010 & 2012.

88 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:52am

re: #63 Silhouette

They're called "yellow-dog" Democrats, and they probably would vote for Republicans if the Republicans weren't so damn dissapointing to even their own boosters. Small government? Yeah, right.

89 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:57:59am

I'll be some of those coal staters who voted early for Obama now wish they'd waited until tomorrow.

90 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:21am

re: #38 noshariaincanada

Hi Zombie, the hebrew says "Barack Obama"

I already updated the text -- thanks!

91 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:23am

re: #80 joncelli

Hey, we'll just set up a bike to generate electricity, like in Soylent Green. I'll get my boyish figure back and we'll have lights 4 hours a day! What could go wrong?

sudden image of Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island riding the electricity generating bicycle......um.........thanks!

92 LonnyE  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:25am

re: #6 Racer X

Fuck!

Just now you're figuring this out? Just now?

Basically, yes RacerX. It is one thing to talk about requiring the latest scrubbing technologies with new coal power stations or retrofitting newer stations.

Up until this weekend, I did not realize that Cap and Trade would be used with the intent of destroying the coal industry and to prevent new construction of advanced coal fire stations.

93 skree  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:44am

re: #28 The Ronin Edge

I prey this will be enough to open people's eyes. The scariest thing about this guy, is that he's been saying for YEARS what his plans are. YEARS. And despite this, he has a legion of sycophantic followers hurling themselves at his feet.

It just does not compute... does the majority of the nation REALLY feel this way? That THIS is what our founders wanted? Really?

/digs himself back into his hole.

Reminds me of "Mein Kampf" -- someone else who said what they would do before they actually did it

94 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:49am

If Obama loses all those states, he loses the election. Could it be that the biggest gaffe comes from The One!

In order for this to be damaging, someone other than conservative web sites would need to report it. I feel sick.

95 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:50am

Hope change and Barry's coming
We're finally on our own
November 'fore we heard the drumming
Coal's dead in Ohio

Gotta get down to it
Barry is taking us down
Shoulda woke up long ago
What will you do now if
Your job is underground
How will you vote since you know?

96 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:58:55am

re: #62 Thanos

No Offshore Drilling
No Wind generators off Teddy Kennedy's compound
No New Hydro power
No Nuclear
No Yucca flats
No Natural Gas drilling
No drilling in ANWR


... and now the Dem's want to bankrupt 50 percent of our energy supply....

Hey - don't worry!
You'll be the proud example of how to go back to the stone age - in record time!

///////

97 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:59:11am

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Who needs electricity - we ride the bus!
/

There's all this coal under it now...

98 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:59:15am

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

Thanks for posting that. I remember that from months ago, and I've been trying to find it ever since.

I like this one better.

99 MrSnuggles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:59:44am

re: #87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Those are the people that the GOP needs to reach out to for 2010 & 2012.

Assuming there is a 2010 and 2012...

100 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:01pm

Who needs coal when you have a generous supply of hope?

101 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:02pm

re: #80 joncelli

Hey, we'll just set up a bike to generate electricity, like in Soylent Green. I'll get my boyish figure back and we'll have lights 4 hours a day! What could go wrong?


Not Soylent Green

102 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:03pm

re: #91 Big Steve

Uhhh, you're welcome?

103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #48 Big Steve

I had just posted when the previous thread went stale.....so while OT....posting again.

Since it is a new month, and a mid-day thread, AND we had a new lizard sign up today, it is time.......time for the monthly update on Poster Children....total career posts. Below is fresh. As always let me know if I missed anyone. For newbies, these are your elders.

Sharmuta and Zombie moved up two spots. I am afraid we have lost MigueldowninMexico who has not posted in several months. Realwest is still in the lead but Mandy is charging hard. - Enjoy


Realwest - 62168
Mandy Manners - 59868
zulubaby - 44052
Occasional Reader - 41931
Kilgore Trout - 37362
Ward Cleaver - 35762
Sharmuta - 33037
christheprofessor - 31511
JCM - 29052
Peacekeeper - 28307
Buzzsawmonkey - 27797
Killian Bundy - 27350
Zombie - 25121
MigueldowninMexico - 24920
JammieWearingFool - 24286
Writermom - 24279
NY Nana - 23906
Taxfreekiller - 23719
littleoldlady - 21860
Lawhawk - 21360
Dianna - 21083
Catttt - 20709
Charles - 19522
redstateredneck - 18959

The People's Republic of Kragaristan objects since this does not take into account comments made before the colonial imperialist mechanism of counting comments came into effect.

104 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:27pm

When we send Obama packing tomorrow, he has already said that he would try again in '12. We cannot just forget about this guy, we have to use all that time to ensure he never gets this far again. There are more of us than the MSM. Between Charles and Zombie, among others, we should be able to compile proof that not even a dead democratic voter can ignore.

105 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:31pm

re: #90 zombie

I already updated the text -- thanks!

It actually says BRK BM. no vowels!

106 nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:00:51pm

re: #100 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Who needs coal when you have a generous supply of hope?

Yeah, well try burning that hope when the temp drops to 0 outside. Hope my ass!

107 kawfytawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:17pm

hmmm....so I wonder if the coal union is still on board with the big "zero"?

108 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:19pm

re: #65 scottishbuzzsaw

I've missed Miguel...does anyone know what has happened to him?

Someone said the other day that they think he may have suffered a stroke. I think it was Realwest or Killgore that had some kind of contact with him. I hope not, he is a really great guy.

109 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:28pm
while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters

Obama? Hide his true agenda? Nooooo!

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:30pm
111 jill e  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:49pm

Then there is this curious fact: How often have the CEO of Federal Express, the Governor of California, and the President of France agreed with each other? Each of them considers the Democratic candidate out of his depth. —Patrick O'Hannigan (The Paragraph Farmer)

112 GoIllini  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:50pm

re: #56 yma o hyd

Gawd - he's proposing to throw money about as if it grew on trees!
Billion here, few more there - who cares, its not his money, its only the stupid taxpayers' money ...

Of course money grows on trees--it's made of paper.

113 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:54pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The People's Republic of Kragaristan objects since this does not take into account comments made before the colonial imperialist mechanism of counting comments came into effect.


Dead ball era doesn't count.....sorry

114 Griffon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:57pm

The newest coal mining disaster.

115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #105 ErislDysnomia

It actually says BRK BM. no vowels!

"Piano" must be a bitch to spell in Hebrew.

116 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

When we send Obama packing tomorrow, he has already said that he would try again in '12. We cannot just forget about this guy, we have to use all that time to ensure he never gets this far again. There are more of us than the MSM. Between Charles and Zombie, among others, we should be able to compile proof that not even a dead democratic voter can ignore.

If he loses tomorrow I doubt he could get the nomination in 2012. You only get one chance.

117 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:04pm

One thing is for darn sure. If Obama makes it to the WH and oil takes off again, and we know someday it well.

Both Obama and the dem's won't have Bush to blame and all of their crazy ideas about wind & solar shall smack them in the face. (-:

118 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:19pm

re: #107 kawfytawk

hmmm....so I wonder if the coal union is still on board with the big "zero"?

All the Jewish coal miners are definitely for him. Go figure.

119 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:32pm

re: #42 kansas

Do you think he celebrates Christmas? Seriously.

They don't buy their kids Christmas presents.

120 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:37pm

Drudge's link to a West Virg paper on the story. They ask the WV Obama campaign to respond:

"But but but McCain is like Bush. A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush" (okay, not a direct quote, but not very far off)

121 jill e  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:02:41pm
122 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:14pm

re: #85 Pyrocles

Energy is EVIL since it allows the proles to "do things". And it pollutes... /

A few months ago I heard a liberal shill on C-SPAN cheerfully explain that not, it's not that we Americans are addicted to oil, it's that we're addicted to energy.

So, there you have it.

There's a word to describe people who use very, very little energy: "Poor".

123 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:21pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

Someone said the other day that they think he may have suffered a stroke. I think it was Realwest or Killgore that had some kind of contact with him. I hope not, he is a really great guy.

Oh no...I'm very sorry to hear that.

124 nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:22pm

re: #118 kansas

All the Jewish coal miners are definitely for him. Go figure.

Now that's funny!

125 kawfytawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:31pm

re: #118 kansas

All the Jewish coal miners are definitely for him. Go figure.

good grief

126 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:03:31pm

re: #106 nevergiveup

Yeah, well try burning that hope when the temp drops to 0 outside. Hope my ass!

The big "O" hole is going to change the world. Coal miners will be the new wood choppers.

127 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:30pm

re: #126 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Coal miners will be the new wood choppers.

Or the new Kulaks...

128 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:36pm

re: #115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Piano" must be a bitch to spell in Hebrew.

how about "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?"

129 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:37pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

When we send Obama packing tomorrow, he has already said that he would try again in '12. We cannot just forget about this guy, we have to use all that time to ensure he never gets this far again. There are more of us than the MSM. Between Charles and Zombie, among others, we should be able to compile proof that not even a dead democratic voter can ignore.

Nooooooo. I wanna' erase every single bookmark I have about him, WAB, Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Rezko and Soros.

130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:38pm

re: #113 Big Steve

Dead ball era doesn't count.....sorry

FASCIST!

131 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:04:40pm

re: #120 Dave the.....

Drudge's link to a West Virg paper on the story. They ask the WV Obama campaign to respond:

"But but but McCain is like Bush. A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush" (okay, not a direct quote, but not very far off)

Somehow, I can't imagine even WV coal miners thinking that Bush would flat-out destroy the coal industry. At least Obama is ON RECORD saying as much.

/Here's hoping my faith in America isn't completely misplaced

132 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:05:08pm

re: #126 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The big "O" hole is going to change the world. Coal miners will be the new wood choppers.

What wood? We will have to preserve all the wood. It will be a new endangered species!

133 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:00pm

Great ... Senator Government's little friend Dinnerjacket and his buddies are dancing in the streets ... 29th Anniversary of Iran Hostage Crisis .... Yeah ...

Still Death to America ......

134 Annar  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:03pm

re: #99 MrSnuggles

Assuming there is a 2010 and 2012...

If The One wins and if there is an election in 2012 there will also be at least 10,000,000 current illegals fast tracked to be new Dhimmi voters. This along with half the population on Obambi's new welfare program (aka tax refunds to non tax payers) should guarantee one party rule for a long time.

135 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:09pm

King Coal, the end of The One.

136 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:16pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Nooooooo. I wanna' erase every single bookmark I have about him, WAB, Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Rezko and Soros.

LOL, you need a couple of weeks in Aruba with the hamsters, Mandy!

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:17pm

re: #128 ErislDysnomia

how about "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoc oniosis?"

My doctor gave me a pill for that. Cleared it right up. Left arm looks almost normal size now.

138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:22pm

re: #117 Dustoff-507

One thing is for darn sure. If Obama makes it to the WH and oil takes off again, and we know someday it well.

Both
Obama and the dem's won't have Bush to blame and all of their crazy
ideas about wind & solar shall smack them in the face. (-:

They'll always be able to blame Bush - Reagan was being blamed for anything that went wrong in the Clinton administration.

139 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:24pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Nooooooo. I wanna' erase every single bookmark I have about him, WAB, Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Rezko and Soros.

Someone register the site obamatanic.com

140 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:37pm

I'm about the only person I know that hasn't yet voted, but I am expecting my polling place to be crowded anyway. It's a church, so I can pray all I like but I am going to have to hold in the cussing.

141 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:38pm

re: #115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Piano" must be a bitch to spell in Hebrew.

What about onomatopoeia?

142 PeggyU  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:06:47pm

The whole reason early voting should not be allowed. Buyer's remorse must be really bitter for some right about now.

143 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:00pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

When we send Obama packing tomorrow, he has already said that he would try again in '12. We cannot just forget about this guy, we have to use all that time to ensure he never gets this far again. There are more of us than the MSM. Between Charles and Zombie, among others, we should be able to compile proof that not even a dead democratic voter can ignore.

When Rezko realizes that Senator Government will not be able to pardon him....he will sing like a bird .........Tweet Tweet ...

144 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:17pm

re: #136 CapeCoddah

LOL, you need a couple of weeks in Aruba with the hamsters, Mandy!

Or a couple of weeks in Aruba with one of those Marines you like so much...That would probably be better...

145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:30pm

If Nobama has his way, I guess this will make you citizens of Pennsylvania UNEMPLOYED racist rednecks bitterly clinging to your guns and religion.

146 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:40pm

re: #134 Annar

If The One wins and if there is an election in 2012.

then he will suffer the same fate as Jimmuh Cahtah.

147 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:42pm

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

You steal sixteen votes, what do you get?
A Marxist candidate that hasn't hit bottom yet
Obama's mouth dug him in a hole
'Cause he wants to bankrupt the business of coal.

If you hear him talkin', better stop your ears
He'll tell you just what you want to hear
Makes one promise of iron, the other of steel
But the centrists won't get it... the leftists will

148 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:42pm

re: #141 MandyManners

What about onomatopoeia?

That's highly contagious, I'd be careful.
/

149 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:51pm

re: #99 MrSnuggles

Assuming there is a 2010 and 2012...

There will not be. The calendar will be reset to the year 0.

150 nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:54pm

re: #142 PeggyU

The whole reason early voting should not be allowed. Buyer's remorse must be really bitter for some right about now.

Not if you voted for McCain?

151 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:58pm

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

152 bnichols10  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:07:58pm

I didn't know this, but Fox just said that PA doesn't have early voting. As this makes the rounds on the news there it will have an impact...

153 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:00pm

re: #142 PeggyU

And probably the reason why The One urged his supporters to vote early (and, presumably, often).

154 shmuli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:05pm

Barak/Barack is Hebrew for Lightning. You know, that which proceeds thunder?
I suspect that the Aramaic is the same.

Hussein is Aramaic for handsome/beautiful.

Yes, it is a pretty powerful name. Tells you much about his dad, no?

You are welcome.

155 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:13pm

Coal mine canaries for Obama!

156 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:14pm

re: #145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If Nobama has his way, I guess this will make you citizens of Pennsylvania UNEMPLOYED racist rednecks bitterly clinging to your guns and religion.

and our unburned coal.

157 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:20pm

re: #144 CapeCoddah

Or a couple of weeks in Aruba with one of those Marines you like so much...That would probably be better...

Don't forget her hunky firefighters...

158 gonecamping  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:27pm

It would be poetic justice if Obama was hoisted by his own petard.
First he tells Joe the Plumber he wants to spread the wealth around, now he is on record saying he wants to bankrupt the coal industry and cause skyrocketing electric prices. I sure hope this lights the fire under the coal states and they go McCain!

159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:30pm

re: #149 Alouette

There will not be. The calendar will be reset to the year 0.

That's what Spike Lee said.

160 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:31pm

Ya know, if Obama wins it tomorrow I am not gonna say a word. I will go down quietly and not whine about it. Much.

But if he loses I am gonna gloat like a fother mucker!

161 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:31pm

Its a shame that he did also not note that everyone's cost of electricity will be through the roof afterward.

162 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:32pm

re: #117 Dustoff-507

One thing is for darn sure. If Obama makes it to the WH and oil takes off again, and we know someday it well.

Both Obama and the dem's won't have Bush to blame and all of their crazy ideas about wind & solar shall smack them in the face. (-:

The thing about wind energy is that, while it may be green as in 'saving the planet' - it also destroys wildlife, both at sea (onshore windfarms) and inland (birds especially).
Thus - the true, dyed-in-the-wool greenies are against it ...

Basically, if you wanna be really really green, you gotta vote to abolish mankind.

Nutters.

163 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:08:53pm

re: #152 bnichols10

I didn't know this, but Fox just said that PA doesn't have early voting. As this makes the rounds on the news there it will have an impact...

Indeed. We do not have early voting, and people are watching the news.

164 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:09:05pm
hmmm....so I wonder if the coal union is still on board with the big "zero"?

Well, teachers unions support abortion

Steal workers (miners division) support environmentalist wackos (they call it a "blue-green alliance")

Etc, unions do not support causes that help they members. They support causes that the union leaders support.

165 PeggyU  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:09:44pm

re: #111 jill e


That's like the alignment of some serious weird ass planets.

166 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:09:55pm

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.

167 nucular_option  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:09:56pm

re: #61 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Who needs electricity - we ride the bus!
/

We ride the trolley!

168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:13pm

re: #149 Alouette

There will not be. The calendar will be reset to the year 0.

Screw that. I aint waiting another 21 years for beer again.

169 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:18pm

re: #162 yma o hyd

The
thing about wind energy is that, while it may be green as in 'saving
the planet' - it also destroys wildlife, both at sea (onshore
windfarms) and inland (birds especially).
Thus - the true, dyed-in-the-wool greenies are against it ...

Basically, if you wanna be really really green, you gotta vote to abolish mankind.

Nutters.

Which, if you press the real hard-core enviromentalists, is what they want. "Population control" has long been their mantra.

170 midwestgak  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:31pm

re: #116 Lee Coller

If he loses tomorrow I doubt he could get the nomination in 2012. You only get one chance.

um, didn't McCain run before?

171 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:40pm

re: #162 yma o hyd

Basically, if you wanna be really really green, you gotta vote to abolish mankind.

Nutters.

Traced back, almost every leftist idea comes to the point of being anti-people.

172 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #160 Racer X

Ya know, if Obama wins it tomorrow I am not gonna say a word. I will go down quietly and not whine about it. Much.

But if he loses I am gonna gloat like a fother mucker!

perfect.....however, I am a-feared that Obama cannot lose tomorrow. Even if Mac wins, the Dems will cry foul and run to the courts and the press will pillory the electorate for being stupid racists.

173 jill e  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:51pm

Never mind those PESKY facts. You know the one's about how coal fuels about 50 percent of US electricity production

174 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:52pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Somehow, I can't imagine even WV coal miners thinking that Bush would flat-out destroy the coal industry. At least Obama is ON RECORD saying as much.

/Here's hoping my faith in America isn't completely misplaced

Your faith in what you were taught was America isn't misplaced. But that America is missing right now.

175 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:10:58pm

re: #12 Lizard by the Bay

I find myself living in a bizaro world where I actually wish it were Hillary Clinton poised to take the White House tomorrow. It's finally gotten that bad.

I know what you mean, I disagree with Hillary, I fear Obama....

176 ~BfromTX  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:04pm

They just now noticed this about Nobama...well, welcome to the party pal(s). Better late than never I guess.

~B

177 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:07pm

re: #162 yma o hyd

Basically, if you wanna be really really green, you gotta vote to abolish mankind.

Yeah. Deep green equals misanthropy. But since they love furry animals and cockroaches and the like, nobody thinks ill of them.

178 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:08pm

OT

A small measure of Justice.

All together, Duncan has been sentenced to death, six life sentences and an additional 40 years in prison.

The injustice is this [deleted] (no word vile enough exist to describe this...) is still sucking air.

179 Max Darkside  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:11pm

I have not read all the posts, but it isn't just coal. His given reason is the tons of carbon emissions (presumably he means CO2). CO2 is of course also emitted by oil and natural gas power generation.

This does not hurt the utilities as much as the suppliers and consumers. Grannie, git yer gun, your power bill is gonna jump way up... a tax on only the rich? Hell no, he's taxing everyone that flips a switch, from the uber-poor to the uber rich.

BTW, this bio-fuels research he's going to pay for by these high fees... they emit megatons of CO2 also! (idiot).

180 Pyrocles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:19pm

My best friends' Liberal wife was forwarding e-mails blaming Bush for the mining cave-in accidents that occurred over the past few years. From what I read of the trash, they said that Bush allowed "Big Coal" to slacken safety standards or something...

re: #63 Silhouette

Coal miners are those Democrats that I call the Greatly Deceived. I know many of them, and they all believe the bull that the GOP hates them, and that the Dems are friends of "the working man."

Although, on an issue by issue basis, these are some of the most pro-American, religious, and conservative people around.

If they took an issue quiz, they'd find out they are Republicans, but they just believe what the unions tell them.

181 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:28pm

re: #70 Beholden

Please, I hope it's not too late!

Not too late. If they had released this a week earlier, the Obamites would have had ample time for the zerO and his 15,000 press secretaries in the MSM to lie and obfuscate this out of the headlines in the following three to five days, papering it over with another rationalization, another purty Barry speech covering his butt.

It's a last minute pass, but carefully chosen timing, I believe. This is the at-the-poll undecided/uncommitted game-changer.

.....and yeah - GO MAC!

182 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:38pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Screw that. I aint waiting another 21 years for beer again.

Better buy beer now while you still can.

183 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:41pm

re: #166 Dirk Diggler

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.

So now you're a "Creatiolutionist"?

184 el2995  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:45pm

Coal miners'...fodder?

185 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:52pm

re: #170 midwestgak

um, didn't McCain run before?

He wasn't the nominee in 2000, though.

186 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:58pm

Somebody here posted this poem the other day. Wish I remembered who to give them credit. If you missed it, check it out. It's brilliant!

Remember, remember, this fourth of November,
The radicals’ treasonous plot.
I know of no reason the radicals’ treason
Should e’er be forgiv’n or forgot.
The Sixties were waning, and Leftists were claiming
That radical changes were due.
Their Marxist solution was armed revolution:
The Weathermen made their debut.
The radicals raged on the national stage, and
Horrific explosions ensued.
Their bombs were dramatic, but also erratic;
They sometimes killed radicals, too.
The Leftists grew older, the underground, colder,
And so they came in from the cold.
“Subvert from within – in the long run, we’ll win,” said
The Leftists, determined and bold.
And thus it began – this nefarious plan – and
The radicals slowly took charge:
Complete infiltration of all education;
The long institutional march.
The journalist schools would produce useful fools, for
The Left would need media shills.
And Hollywood, too, would assist in the coup, with
Its slick propagandizing skills.
“Community action” would build a new faction;
’Twould organize proles on the street.
A smooth politician would front for the mission,
And run for the president’s seat.
The radicals’ goal, which they proudly extol, is
A communist U.S. of A.
Collectivist schemes lead to brutal regimes, and
For this do the radicals pray.
But Jefferson’s aim, with the Charters he framed, was
To guard individual rights.
And “redistribution” was not a solution,
But one of the evils to fight.
So let us remember, this fourth of November,
Just what is at stake on this date.
Will Jefferson’s dream, or the radicals’ scheme, now
Determine America’s fate?

187 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:11:59pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

I just googled it Charles, Larry J is listed as host.

188 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:02pm

re: #166 Dirk Diggler

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.

Deletions don't count......
/ ;-P

189 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:08pm

This picture says it all. Where the lights are bright there are hospitals, libraries, workplaces, homes, and hope. Life expectancy is higher, water is cleaner, and infant mortality is lower. Where the lights are dim or non existant, life is mostly brutal and short.

190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:12pm

re: #166 Dirk Diggler

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.

Kragaristan lends you support in your fight against the facist comment oppression by the colonial Imperialist comment invaders

191 Suzette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:13pm

re: #65 scottishbuzzsaw

I've missed Miguel...does anyone know what has happened to him?

He had a stroke a while back. Hopefully he is doing all right.
/Realwest may have had some contact with him.

192 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:33pm
193 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:36pm

As I was saying yesterday, Obama wants to turn out the lights on the coal industry and doesn't quite explain where all that money goes. It's incredible that this wasn't picked up sooner, whether by GOP opp-research, Hillary's folks, or the media - especially SFGate who had the tape, the video, and didn't think the bankrupting of a major industry as an actual policy choice was important. That latter part is incredible - and wouldn't you know it that many of the battleground states happen to be coal producers.

194 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:40pm

Sorry everyone. I can't reply to you, if I do, the systems blows me out?

195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:44pm

re: #182 Alouette

Better buy beer now while you still can.

Or brew your own - the one good thing that President Carter did was to legalize home-brewing.

196 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:49pm

re: #170 midwestgak

um, didn't McCain run before?

Not on the GOP ticket on election day.

197 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #121 jill e

The Great McCain Story You’ve Probably Forgotten

Wish I could give you more updings for that story!

Thats another link you can all still send to your friends and acquaintances!
Character tells.

198 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:13pm

re: #187 CapeCoddah

I just googled it Charles, Larry J is listed as host.

Yep. Thought so. They're now trying to push out another crappy rumor, that Bill Ayers is actively involved in Obama's campaign.

Those people really, truly suck.

199 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #166 Dirk Diggler

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.

My post is enormous. Yours is tiny. It must make you feel very inadequate.

200 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:19pm

re: #166 Dirk Diggler

Big Steve,

That list sucks.

No way do I only have 8,556 comments. I've been posting at LGF since dinosaurs roamed the Garden of Eden.


Charles's stats don't lie.....so go eat a fern to get your strength up to 10,000 posts in the next month to come close.

201 Annar  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:26pm

re: #154 shmuli

Barak/Barack is Hebrew for Lightning.

It is also one of the spellings for the name of the steed that Muhammad rode to meet Moses, Jesus et al with a stop at the sight of the al Aqsa mosque.

202 Junior  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:27pm

I wonder if Charles could post where the Lizards are located (not by name, of course). Like by state and country. I'd be interested to see how spread out the Lizard-Army is!

203 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:37pm

There were 10,000 people who made it to the Palin rally Saturday. I was there, and I can attest that at least 9,999 others were too. 2-4,000 were sent away in addtion. Local paper reports 5,000 showed up.

I don't know who I despise more, Obama or his legion of shills.

204 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:43pm

re: #159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what Spike Lee said.

Nobody listens to Spike Lee. If they did, he'd be in jail for proposing to murder Charlton Heston.

205 midwestgak  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:45pm

re: #143 JacksonTn

When Rezko realizes that Senator Government will not be able to pardon him....he will sing like a bird .........Tweet Tweet ...

Beep Beep

206 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:13:58pm

Rasmussen Swing State Polling - November 2, 2008

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

207 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:19pm

re: #161 Shr_Nfr

Its a shame that he did also not note that everyone's cost of electricity will be through the roof afterward.

Actually, he did. The term HE used was "skyrocketing".

208 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:20pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Nooooooo. I wanna' erase every single bookmark I have about him, WAB, Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Rezko and Soros.

Keep the $oros ones - they're bound to come in handy!

209 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:31pm

re: #198 Charles

Yep. Thought so. They're now trying to push out another crappy rumor, that Bill Ayers is actively involved in Obama's campaign.

Those people really, truly suck.

Dumb shits. One step forward...Two steps back. Big help.

210 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:43pm

re: #60 Hydrocarbon Hank

I'm about to have a total meltdown.....

First, I get to watch perhaps the best college football game of the year live from the 40 yard line (Texas Tech v. UT.....Love my Raiders)

Now, I've got to sit through 36 hours of this stuff.

MELTDOWN.

Was that a great game or what? As much I was disappointed in UT's party being crashed, and Alabama moving up, I've always been a big fan of Mike Leach's high-powered offense. The Mad Scientist indeed.

211 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:44pm

Oh! Avatars are back!

212 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:49pm

re: #194 Dustoff-507

Sorry everyone. I can't reply to you, if I do, the systems blows me out?

Try that safari. I just put it on this morning and it is blowing all this off and running like a champ. And I thought Firefox was great.

213 Junior  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:50pm

re: #202 Junior

I wonder if Charles could post where the Lizards are located (not by name, of course). Like by state and country. I'd be interested to see how spread out the Lizard-Army is!

I meant simply by numbers...

214 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:14:55pm

re: #170 midwestgak

um, didn't McCain run before?

That was in the primary.

215 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:08pm

re: #193 lawhawk

As I was saying yesterday, Obama wants to turn out the lights on the coal industry and doesn't quite explain where all that money goes. It's incredible that this wasn't picked up sooner, whether by GOP opp-research, Hillary's folks, or the media - especially SFGate who had the tape, the video, and didn't think the bankrupting of a major industry as an actual policy choice was important. That latter part is incredible - and wouldn't you know it that many of the battleground states happen to be coal producers.

Don't worry, the word about this will get out some time next week.

216 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:29pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

No idea. The only Global Labor blog I know of is on Blogspot, and run by someone named Steve Diamond.

217 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:35pm

re: #203 NC State of Mind

There were 10,000 people who made it to the Palin rally Saturday. I was there, and I can attest that at least 9,999 others were too. 2-4,000 were sent away in addtion. Local paper reports 5,000 showed up.

I don't know who I despise more, Obama or his legion of shills.

Didn't there used to be a tool on LGF that pinpointed where in the world every poster was?

218 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:35pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

I'm almost positive it is. I don't know if he has an active say in their content but they are part of the same coalition of bloggers as No Quarter.

219 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:47pm

re: #136 CapeCoddah

LOL, you need a couple of weeks in Aruba with the hamsters, Mandy!

Would be nice.

220 faraway  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:15:59pm

re: #211 Fat Jolly Penguin

Oh! Avatars are back!

The hamsters think they are getting a tax rebate check from Obama soon.

221 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:08pm
222 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:24pm

re: #203 NC State of Mind

There were 10,000 people who made it to the Palin rally Saturday. I was there, and I can attest that at least 9,999 others were too. 2-4,000 were sent away in addtion. Local paper reports 5,000 showed up.

I don't know who I despise more, Obama or his legion of shills.

I guess they have to make up for all those times they overestimate anti-war protests and such.

/

223 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:33pm

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

No idea. The only Global Labor blog I know of is on Blogspot, and run by someone named Steve Diamond.

Neil's lesser talented brother?

224 Windhorse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:42pm

Don't tell me words matter.... Don't, uhh... (stay with me now)... uhhh.... You fool me once..... shame on.... uhhhh....

Don't tell me words don't matter..... there!

225 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:48pm

re: #207 OldLineTexan

Actually, he did. The term HE used was "skyrocketing".

That's easily solved.... inflate your tires to the proper pressure and give government control of your thermostat.

The One has a solution for every problem.

/peta sarc

226 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:50pm

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

227 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:16:58pm

re: #212 Outrider

Try that safari. I just put it on this morning and it is blowing all this off and running like a champ. And I thought Firefox was great.

Dittos to that! Me too. (this from the Department of Redundancy Department)

228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:06pm

Lawyers Aim to Roll Back Curbs on Lawsuits

Plaintiff and consumer groups, buoyed by prospects of a Democratic president and expanded Democratic majority in Congress, are preparing a big push for legislation that would roll back limitations on personal-injury and class-action lawsuits.

The plaintiffs bar's legislative wish-list includes limiting companies' use of federal regulations as a shield from litigation under state law, and laws to end mandatory arbitration in consumer contracts, opening potential new avenues for civil lawsuits.

Yeah, that'll do the economy a shit load of good.

229 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:10pm

Sorry.. I can't add anything to my system. (company owned)
(-:

230 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:10pm

re: #198 Charles

Yep. Thought so. They're now trying to push out another crappy rumor, that Bill Ayers is actively involved in Obama's campaign.

Those people really, truly suck.

Can you say "false flag operation"? I knew you could.

231 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:13pm
Didn't there used to be a tool on LGF that pinpointed where in the world every poster was?

Four years ago. You voluntarily went to a site. it was very interesting.

232 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #191 Suzette

He had a stroke a while back. Hopefully he is doing all right.
/Realwest may have had some contact with him.

Thank you, Suzette...very sorry to hear that.

233 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:18pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Cole.

I love Nat King Cole. We played a lot of his stuff at our wedding.

234 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:18pm

re: #24 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yet the Mine Workers Union endores The One.

Of course. They don't care who they work for--a corporation or the government--as long as they get theirs, it's all good.

235 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:21pm

re: #208 yma o hyd

Keep the $oros ones - they're bound to come in handy!

Oh, I'm sure they will. He cannot resist trying to fuck up freedom for others.

236 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:41pm

re: #65 scottishbuzzsaw

I've missed Miguel...does anyone know what has happened to him?

Not sure what's happened.

Realwest was in touch with Miguel for awhile; but when I asked about Miguel, Realwest asked me to avoid asking, and said that if he hears from Miguel, he (realwest) will let us know.

237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:42pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

Why did you ever like Drama Queen?

238 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:17:49pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

Not to my knowledge. Steve Diamond has done some very good work on Obama's Chicago connections. He comes across as an old-fashioned lib with integrity.

239 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:18:12pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

I've linked him a long time ago, he's been blogging since '04. I'll take a look

240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:18:19pm

re: #230 Occasional Reader

Can you say "false flag operation"? I knew you could.

I can - Rosie O'Donnel told me to Google it!

241 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:18:37pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

Someone said the other day that they think he may have suffered a stroke. I think it was Realwest or Killgore that had some kind of contact with him. I hope not, he is a really great guy.

I've said before that everybody on here should have a "buddy" who can contact the rest of us, in case something happens, so we're not wondering what's happened to people.

242 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:18:53pm

re: #236 reine.de.tout

Not sure what's happened.

Realwest was in touch with Miguel for awhile; but when I asked about Miguel, Realwest asked me to avoid asking, and said that if he hears from Miguel, he (realwest) will let us know.

Thank you, {reine}.

243 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:18pm

re: #217 Outrider

Didn't there used to be a tool on LGF that pinpointed where in the world every poster was?

Yeah, Frapper. That was a couple of years ago.

244 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:26pm

re: #237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why did you ever like Drama Queen?

I was not crazy about him ... I am just running out of news to watch ...I have cnn and msnbc blocked from my tv ... only Fox now and it is starting to piss me off every day now ....

245 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:35pm

Hope for Change in WA State!

Early voting trends bode ill for Gregoire

With voter participation surging outside the Seattle metropolitan area, Democratic Gov. Chris Gregoire's re-election campaign faces a turnout deficit in her rematch against 2004 opponent Dino Rossi.
246 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:39pm

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lawyers Aim to Roll Back Curbs on Lawsuits


Yeah, that'll do the economy a shit load of good.


Oh, you probably want one of those boring old-fashioned economies that makes stuff, don't you. Don't you realize that cool, modern, hip economies are based on 1) trading "carbon credits" and 2) suing each other? Get with it, Herbert.

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:44pm
248 faraway  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:52pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

What took you so long?

249 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:19:59pm

re: #231 Dave the.....

Four years ago. You voluntarily went to a site. it was very interesting.

I believe it was frapper.com, but that doesn't resolve to the same site as the one a number of years ago.

250 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:20:08pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

What's Shep doing now?

251 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:20:19pm

On the outside chance that Obama wins the election, I am drafting a letter for my mortgage company asking them if I can stop sending mortgage payments immediately, or if I have to wait for Obama's inauguration.

252 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:20:26pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

I've said before that everybody on here should have a "buddy" who can contact the rest of us, in case something happens, so we're not wondering what's happened to people.

We used to have buddies when we went swimming at summer camp.

253 Junior  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:20:30pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

Why? what now?

254 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:20:35pm

re: #219 MandyManners

re: #136 CapeCoddah

LOL, you need a couple of weeks in Aruba with the hamsters, Mandy!

Would be nice.

That sounds very... Richard Gere-ish.

255 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #177 joncelli

Yeah. Deep green equals misanthropy. But since they love furry animals and cockroaches and the like, nobody thinks ill of them.

Thats right - two legs bad (unless it has feathers), no legs, or four, six and eight legs - wonderful!
The only thing I keep wondering about is - why don't they campaign to abolish medicine?
Bacteria and viruses also have a right to live!

////

256 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:08pm

I'm sorry to go a little OT but this editorial is really bugging me:

[Link: www.pasadenastarnews.com...]

Non Partisan? I don't think so.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

257 looking closely  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:09pm

re: #8 calcajun

I think central and western PA are already going GOP. Isn't it the Philly area that always tilts the scales to the Dems? This would not have that much of an effect in that area. Maybe in SE Ohio, though. Northern VA, perhaps?

Please, Lord, please.

There's a big problem which is that Philly tilts STRONG Democrat (to the obvious detriment of that city. . .obvious if you've ever visited it), and turnout there is expected to be unprecedentedly high.

258 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:10pm

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

What's Shep doing now?

Breathing

259 right_on_target  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:15pm

re: #234 calcajun

Of course. They don't care who they work for--a corporation or the government--as long as they get theirs, it's all good.


____________________________
As long as their bosses [union leaders] get theirs.

260 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:16pm

JCM...........

Let's hope so buddy... Rememer the guy who ran the voting system here during the last election? He's in CA now and the news is bad for them. LOL

261 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:24pm

re: #245 JCM

Hope for Change in WA State!

Early voting trends bode ill for Gregoire

Yay! Some relief for my non-moonbat bro in WA.

Any more news on the guy that lit himself up at Red Square the other day?

262 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:25pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....


I've also been getting that feeling of late.
What'd he do this time?

263 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:30pm
Plaintiff and consumer groups, buoyed by prospects of a Democratic president and expanded Democratic majority in Congress, are preparing a big push for legislation that would roll back limitations on personal-injury and class-action lawsuits.

The plaintiffs bar's legislative wish-list includes limiting companies' use of federal regulations as a shield from litigation under state law, and laws to end mandatory arbitration in consumer contracts, opening potential new avenues for civil lawsuits.

I wish those well-meaning Obama voters knew what this does to the economy.

264 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:35pm

Obama is the left's "monster of the ID". He will do every crazy thing they have ever thought, no matter how much it destroys, including them.

265 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:47pm

re: #245 JCM

Hope for Change in WA State!

Early voting trends bode ill for Gregoire

Hallelujah!

266 maddogg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:49pm

So, within 48 hours we'll find out if America has lost her mind.

Here is how the military sees it.

267 reine.de.tout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:21:50pm

re: #244 JacksonTn

I was not crazy about him ... I am just running out of news to watch ...I have cnn and msnbc blocked from my tv ... only Fox now and it is starting to piss me off every day now ....

Yer not the only one . . . . .

268 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:22:06pm
269 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #201 Annar

It is also one of the spellings for the name of the steed that Muhammad rode to meet Moses, Jesus et al with a stop at the sight of the al Aqsa mosque.

Barack is the Swahili rendered version of the the Arabic name Baracka which is extremely popular in Arab North Africa. It is almost identical to and has the same meaning as the Hebrew Baruch or 'blessing'. His name doesn't mean 'lightning' and has nothing to do with the mythical Islamic Buraq.

270 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:22:34pm

Here's the Lizard map.

(Glad I held onto that link -- someone linked it several months ago, I think.)

271 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:22:40pm
272 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:22:49pm

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

I was born one morning when the sun came up red
I picked up my tools and went to the coal bed
The boss said "There isn't work for you here,
Obama made the market disappear."

You steal sixteen votes, what do you get?
A Marxist candidate that hasn't hit bottom yet
Obama's mouth dug him in a hole
'Cause he wants to bankrupt the business of coal.

273 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #229 Dustoff-507

Sorry.. I can't add anything to my system. (company owned)
(-:

The Machinists are back to work, the lazy B hamsters aren't used to the load after two months.

274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:06pm

re: #257 looking closely

There's a big
problem which is that Philly tilts STRONG Democrat (to the obvious
detriment of that city. . .obvious if you've ever visited it), and
turnout there is expected to be unprecedentedly high.

I live in Philly & I feel like I'm in a zombie movie - everyone is wearing a O button or sticker but me.

275 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:13pm

Ward....

Any more news on the guy that lit himself up at Red Square the other day
_____________________________________

He won't do it again.... what a nut.

276 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #239 Thanos

I've linked him a long time ago, he's been blogging since '04. I'll take a look

Yep. He posts at Larry Johnson's noquarter blog.

Credibility: nil.

These people have done a LOT of damage to the McCain campaign, as have the bloggers who've fallen for the crap they're pushing.

277 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:29pm

re: #189 Thanos

This picture says it all. Where the lights are bright there are hospitals, libraries, workplaces, homes, and hope. Life expectancy is higher, water is cleaner, and infant mortality is lower. Where the lights are dim or non existant, life is mostly brutal and short.

Note the absence of the DPRK in this photo.

278 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:23:34pm

re: #259 right_on_target

____________________________
As long as their bosses [union leaders] get theirs.

Which will continue to happen--thanks to Vote Check!

279 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:00pm

re: #11 zombie

New at zomblog, part of today's "Obama dump":

Baruch Obama

Zombie - you would love the Obama bumpersticker on the car in front of me at my kids' school this morning... "Barak Obama" in Hebrew letters...right to left. My son almost fainted.

280 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:00pm

re: #274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I live in Philly & I feel like I'm in a zombie movie - everyone is wearing a O button or sticker but me.

Did you see The Invasion? Show no emotion and they won't attack you.

281 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:16pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

I'm sure I don't. What a tool he is.

282 Summersong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:33pm

Buzz it up.

283 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

No idea. The only Global Labor blog I know of is on Blogspot, and run by someone named Steve Diamond.

That's the one I know about. The blog is also running a story about Ayers being in regular contact with Obama. It's an unnamed source, so I'm ignoring it. Besides, the Ayers story has never gained the traction it deserved.

284 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:46pm

re: #266 maddogg

So, within 48 hours we'll find out if America has lost her mind.

Here is how the military sees it.

Note that the only poll that has Obama up is that of black servicemen/women, specifically. Obama is clobbered in every other category. But of course, voting FOR Obama based on his skin color has nothing to do with racism...

285 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #261 Ward Cleaver

Yay! Some relief for my non-moonbat bro in WA.

Any more news on the guy that lit himself up at Red Square the other day?

Not that I've seen.

286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:55pm

re: #246 Occasional Reader

Oh, you probably want one of those boring old-fashioned economies that makes stuff, don't you. Don't you realize that cool, modern, hip economies are based on 1) trading "carbon credits" and 2) suing each other? Get with it, Herbert.

Kragaristani Law says all lawyers suffer the same penalty as their clients, or if found to press suit in a case they lose, they and their client can be charge with contempt of court, which automatically disbars them and forces them to pay restitutions to the court and the accused.

There are remarkably few lawyers in Kragaristan.

287 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:24:57pm

re: #269 Scion9

Barack
is the Swahili rendered version of the the Arabic name Baracka which is
extremely popular in Arab North Africa. It is almost identical to and
has the same meaning as the Hebrew Baruch or 'blessing'. His name
doesn't mean 'lightning' and has nothing to do with the mythical
Islamic Buraq.

But does it have anything to do with B.A. Barackus?

288 sngnsgt  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:25:04pm

re: #145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There are already plenty of unemployed here in PA without B-HO's help.

289 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:25:06pm

re: #145 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If Nobama has his way, I guess this will make you citizens of Pennsylvania UNEMPLOYED racist rednecks bitterly clinging to your guns and religion.

Nope. Just homeless... :-(

re: #39 Nutmeg

The real kicker though, is not the coal industry as much as it is what this will do to the price of electricity. You thought $4 gas was bad, wait until your electric bill is $500!

Correct!

Note to homeowners: How long will you be able to pay your mortgage AND your electric bill?

/and how much is Obama's mythical $1000 "tax break" going to help you?

PECO (in PA) is one of the most expensive electric providers in the country. If my electric bill doubled I'd either have to sell my house or get a job at the all night WaWa...

290 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:25:10pm

Ya know ... now that you mention it ... I can definitely see Shep in a blonde wig and a dress with fishnet stockings and heels ... I think he really paints on those eyebrows ....

291 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:25:36pm

re: #255 yma o hyd

The only thing I keep wondering about is - why don't they campaign to abolish medicine?
Bacteria and viruses also have a right to live!

Give it time -- we'll have the Retrovirus Survival Act in the 2nd or 3rd year of the Obambi administration.

292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:25:54pm

re: #281 kansas

I'm sure I don't. What a tool he is.

An orange, hysterical tool.

293 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I live in Philly & I feel like I'm in a zombie movie - everyone is wearing a O button or sticker but me.

Just go to sleep, BDVM. You won't feel anything. And when you awaken, you'll be changed.

[cue theramin music]

294 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #226 JacksonTn

I am not sure I like Shepard Smith any longer .....

And you liked him before? Why?

295 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Is Larry Johnson the loser who came out with bullshit sexual allegations against Obama?

I think he was the one with the 'whitey'-tape, which never materialised ..

296 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:13pm

Larry Johnson or his pals have been responsible for almost all the stupid crappy rumors that have gone out. I strongly suspect they're a deliberate false flag operation, preying on bloggers who don't have good BS detectors.

297 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:24pm

re: #276 Charles

This started way back, not new see this search
[Link: www.google.com...]

Think Diamond is a Naderite as well.

298 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:28pm

I haven't read all the comments, but this is just too whacked to ignore.

The obama approach for Energy is very similar to his approach for Healthcare.

1. Stoke demand with welfare payments and subsidies.
2. Supress supplies by increasing taxes on the suppliers.
3. Cross your fingers and hope nothing goes wrong.

What an idiot!

299 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:26:43pm

re: #292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

An orange, hysterical tool.

Red AND yellow?

300 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:27:13pm

re: #286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kragaristani Law says all lawyers suffer the same penalty as their clients, or if found to press suit in a case they lose, they and their client can be charge with contempt of court

You really wouldn't want to live with that system, actually.

301 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:27:25pm

re: #276 Charles

Yep. He posts at Larry Johnson's noquarter blog.

Credibility: nil.

These people have done a LOT of damage to the McCain campaign, as have the bloggers who've fallen for the crap they're pushing.

I had no idea. That's really disappointing.

302 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:27:40pm
303 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:27:48pm
304 SFGoth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:28:11pm

I managed to explain to a leftie friend how trickle down economics works, and the bulb went off in his head. He could not refute me.

305 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:28:26pm

re: #300 Occasional Reader

You really wouldn't want to live with that system, actually.

Oh, as the Glorious leader, I have my own rules, just like Obama.

306 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:28:38pm

re: #298 DeafDog

I haven't read all the comments, but this is just too whacked to ignore.

The obama approach for Energy is very similar to his approach for Healthcare.

1. Stoke demand with welfare payments and subsidies.
2. Supress supplies by increasing taxes on the suppliers.
3. Cross your fingers and hope nothing everything goes wrong.

That's probably more accurate.

307 Kincsem  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:28:43pm

Vote for ME!
Freeze to death in the dark!

He does have a way with making his views seductively alluring, doesn't he?

I know he has no economics training, but now I am wondering if basic junior high science was not part of tha Punahou curriculum...

308 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:28:48pm

See and spread this video

It's good.

309 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:29:05pm
310 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:29:06pm

re: #270 Fat Jolly Penguin

Here's the Lizard map.

(Glad I held onto that link -- someone linked it several months ago, I think.)

We need to recruit in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah...

311 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #304 SFGoth

I managed to explain to a leftie friend how trickle down economics works, and the bulb went off in his head. He could not refute me.

But trickle down is not FAIR!
/

312 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:29:32pm

re: #292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

An orange, hysterical tool.

RACIST!

Your aurantiacophobic comments will not be tolerated on this blog, mister.

313 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:19pm

re: #286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kragaristani Law says all lawyers suffer the same penalty as their clients, or if found to press suit in a case they lose, they and their client can be charge with contempt of court, which automatically disbars them and forces them to pay restitutions to the court and the accused.

There are remarkably few lawyers in Kragaristan.

Are there lady lawyers in Kragaristan? If so, a new magazine for them.....Sue Magazine

314 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:19pm

re: #310 Sunlight

We need to recruit in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah...

They need electricity then internet service.......

*ducks*

315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:25pm

re: #299 OldLineTexan

Red AND yellow?

LOL. I was referring to his spray-on tan complexion, but that works too.

316 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:29pm

NMA Comments on Senator Obama's Coal Policy

NATIONAL MINING ASSOCIATION SPEAKS OUT ABOUT SENATOR GOVERNMENT:

National Mining Association (NMA) President and CEO Hal Quinn today responded to comments Senator Obama reportedly made in a January 17 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. In response to a question, the senator said his climate change policy would "bankrupt" U.S. coal:

"Bankrupting the coal industry would be tantamount to bankrupting the American economy. Coal generates half of our nation’s electricity, employs hundreds of thousands of Americans and provides millions of dollars in revenue to coal states.

"Destroying the coal industry would break America’s energy backbone. It would raise the cost of energy for households and businesses throughout the country and create massive job losses. We trust the candidates understand this and do not believe that destroying the coal industry is part of the change we need."

317 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:30pm

re: #295 yma o hyd

I think he was the one with the 'whitey'-tape, which never materialised ..

Any day now! Just you wait!
/

318 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:30:33pm

re: #302 taxfreekiller

Obama is a rather dull tool.

WAB, is that you?

319 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #300 Occasional Reader

Agreed, but losing parties paying all court costs would be a useful change that would hold down suits. (Won't happen under Obambi, of course.)

320 Junior  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #310 Sunlight

We need to recruit in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah...

YAAAAAAARRRRR!

321 Kenneth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:17pm

The list of leading coal mining states reads like the list of the key battleground states.

State Tons (billions) Percent of U.S.
Montana 120 25.4
Illinois 78 16.5
Wyoming 68 14.4
West Virginia 37 8.0
Kentucky 30 6.3
Pennsylvania 29 6.1
Ohio 19 4.0
Colorado 17 3.6
Texas 13 2.7
Indiana 10 2.1

Obama may have just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

322 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:26pm

re: #298 DeafDog

3. Cross your fingers and hope nothing goes wrong.

What an idiot!

Ah, so you've got something against hope, have you?

You must be one of those racists I keep hearing about.

/

323 SFGoth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:30pm

re: #311 jcm

But trickle down is not FAIR!
/

No, but plasma TVs are!

324 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:31:34pm

re: #316 JacksonTn

Link?

325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:32:07pm

re: #295 yma o hyd

I think he was the one with the 'whitey'-tape, which never materialised ..

Actually, that was a mistake. It was a tighty-whitey tape of Barry, and no one realy wants to see that.

326 Salem  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:32:13pm

Just think of the coal-staters who have already voted who would have voted differently if it weren't for the deception of the media. They will think about that vote with every hardship that arises. Those are going to be red states by 2010 and ever after.

Of course, H may find that his Democrat comrades in congress aren't as willing to slit their own throats. Ironically, I think the stability of the coal-industry has probably been assured by this. And now there is no guarantee that we'll have to put up with Obomba at all. A pity this didn't leak earlier.

327 stevieray  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #151 Charles

Does anyone know if 'globallabor.com' is a site associated with Larry Johnson?

I suspect it is.

Larry Johnson quotes from it from time to time, and Steve Diamond posted a few articles on "No Quarter", but I don't think it goes any deeper than that.

Steve Diamond is the guy who cracked open the CAC story... along with Stanley Kurtz. He was on it back during the primaries, and he filed the FOIA request that got the files opened.

He despises ACORN and their pet union, the SEIU.

328 hildymac  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:32:55pm

Good lord - for once, I hope that the unions do their job and get the word out to their members today and tomorrow... fliers, e-mails, word of mouth, smoke signals, whatever. This idiotic idea could jack up the price of electricity in some parts of the country and put thousands out of work.

I think that his arrogance might have cost him swing states if the GOTV effort works quickly enough - get some ads out there, stat. Funny how he tends to say stupid stuff thats' focused at the working class when he's in San Fran, isn't it?

329 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:06pm

re: #251 gregg

On the outside chance that Obama wins the election, I am drafting a letter for my mortgage company asking them if I can stop sending mortgage payments immediately, or if I have to wait for Obama's inauguration.

You've got it all wrong. They've selected those "more equal than others" that get a free house.

You get to make two mortgage payments now. Yours and someone elses.

Spread the wealth man, else you're selfish. And un-patriotic.

330 Vergeltung  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #310 Sunlight

We need to recruit in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah...

I am actually looking to relocate the family and gert out of this blue-state northeast. especially if the marxist wins. taxes can only go up, and I am taxed enough!

those all seem like decent states to me!

331 johngaltlives  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:20pm

Fellow Lizards-
The one good thing about ObaMao being ahead in this race is it forced me off of my lazy butt and get involved. I have done so out of fear of what will happen to our country.

My fear is we will become a third rate super power and our middle class will vanish. He will abndon Israel which will lead to chaos in the middle east- it will make the Iraq war look like a picnic.

Back in June I suffered a series of heart attacks and have had 4 trips to the ER to end up with 4 stents. I still suffer chest pains and the doc says I need 2 more stents within 6-12 months.

Anyway, everytime I see the news or polls referring to the One my chest gets tight and my arm gets numb. The thought of our country being handed over to socialists is literally tearing me apart.

I will continue to fight for McCain by making phone calls and then tomorrow driving people to the polls.

My question is--- am I over reacting? I know we are fighters and we will survive. Just at what cost?

332 SWPaul  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:35pm

What about those college kids in those areas? If Obama shuts down the coal industry, that affect many many other industries there. Any college grad with a degree in mining engineering, chemical engineering, civil, or mechanical will seriously suffer.
Hell, Obama raises taxes and unemployment goes up all around. Employers have to either 1) lay off employees, or 2) freeze all new hires. Remind me why the youth vote goes overwhelmingly to Obama?

Oh yeah, they all have secure jobs at American Apparel!

333 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:39pm

re: #274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I live in Philly & I feel like I'm in a zombie movie - everyone is wearing a O button or sticker but me.

There was an article in the NYTimes this morning (can't find the link but better than a similar one in the Inky) about Philadelphia. They were saying that the Democrats were worried about the whites in the Northeast and South Philly who they fear will not vote for Obama. They'd need a HUGE turnout in the black neighborhoods to offset.

And the 4 outlying counties are no way going to deliver Kerry numbers to Obama.

334 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:54pm

re: #326 Salem

Just think of the coal-staters who have already voted who would have voted differently if it weren't for the deception of the media. They will think about that vote with every hardship that arises. Those are going to be red states by 2010 and ever after.

Of course, H may find that his Democrat comrades in congress aren't as willing to slit their own throats. Ironically, I think the stability of the coal-industry has probably been assured by this. And now there is no guarantee that we'll have to put up with Obomba at all. A pity this didn't leak earlier.

Another reason for election day, at the polling place only voting. Absentee for real absentees.

335 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:33:59pm

re: #309 taxfreekiller

Charles,

Rudy G. was on Larry Johnson's radio blog yesterday along with
Dr. Long one of the leaders of the PUMAS.

?

That was Lynn Forester de Rothschild. I was listening, I recorded Giuliani's segment because I had to leave.

336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:34:09pm

re: #198 Charles

Yep. Thought so. They're now trying to push out another crappy rumor, that Bill Ayers is actively involved in Obama's campaign.

Those people really, truly suck.

I got an email last night from GOPUSA, which I thought was a legitimate arm of the GOP, about the birth certificate crap.

337 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:34:10pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Link?

[Link: www.nma.org...]

Upper right ...on page

338 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:34:35pm

re: #328 hildymac

Good lord - for once, I hope that the unions do their job and get the word out to their members today and tomorrow.

I don't have a lot of faith that the decision makers at coal miner unions care anything about coal mining or miners.

339 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:35:38pm

re: #338 Silhouette

I don't have a lot of faith that the decision makers at coal miner unions care anything about coal mining or miners.

Union leadership no. Rank and file is another matter.

340 redheadredstate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:35:40pm

re: #198 Charles

Yep. Thought so. They're now trying to push out another crappy rumor, that Bill Ayers is actively involved in Obama's campaign.

Those people really, truly suck.

All part of the propaganda campaign that the left is engaged in. You have to take everything out there with a grain of salt. The left would just love to put out false stories and have us take the bait then be made to look foolish once the truth is exposed. What's that expression "trust but verify"?

341 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:35:58pm

re: #331 johngaltlives

ohjeez! Turn off the TV!

342 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:36:01pm
343 Salem  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:36:10pm

re: #334 jcm

Another reason for election day, at the polling place only voting. Absentee for real absentees.

There's something for President McCain to reform.

344 apachegunner  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:36:51pm

Not at all Gault, not at all. Keep it up and feel good about it.

re: #331 johngaltlives

345 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:17pm

re: #337 JacksonTn

[Link: www.nma.org...]

Upper right ...on page


Thanks!

346 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:19pm

re: #333 littleoldlady

Don't worry there will be no controls at the Philly polling places at al. None. Obama will have a massive surplus

347 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

What's Shep doing now?

Still standing outside the Superdome in New Orleans wondering where the government is to help those poor people.

/

348 Winsmom  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:31pm

A leeetle part of me still believes that many normally sane people will finally come to their senses inside the voting booth and vote for McCain. If they don't, then they deserve what they get. It's just too bad that the rest of us will be forced to share their shit sandwich.

349 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:37pm

re: #343 Salem

There's something for President McCain to reform.

I believe a lot of the voting schemes we have now WERE reformed by McCain, with McCain-Fiengold.

350 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #331 johngaltlives

I know that thinking about The One being elected literally raises my blood pressure. The club where I work out has exercise bikes equipped with TVs and heart rate monitors. One time I saw an Obama commercial while riding the bike and watched my HR go up by several points in 30 seconds. That's how much of an effect it had. That's when I decided to take a vacation and drastically reduce the amount of information I took in.

It's a good policy. The election is important but it's not worth your health. Take it easy for a while and put politics out of your head.

351 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:02pm

Sarah Palin in Missouri today .... 18,000 ....here is a pic

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]


GO Sister GO ......

352 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:09pm
353 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:17pm

re: #48 Big Steve

I have to post more or I've going to fall off the list! :-(

/can I trade fruitcup for posts?

354 mojo9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:35pm

"It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering ............ while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters."
i just find this hard to believe!
///sarc///

355 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:46pm

Just heard a great clip of Arnold on Rush. The governator says to Obama: "Our democracy is not for sale."
woot!

drive by - back to work.

356 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:38:54pm

There is simply no way in hell that the Unions are going to pull their endorsement of Obama, not over this, or anything else.

I know these guys too well.

357 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:39:12pm

re: #353 littleoldlady

I have to post more or I've going to fall off the list! :-(

/can I trade fruitcup for posts?

Under the new administraction you will be able to trade posting credits.

358 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:39:30pm

The EU flips off the Joos.

Hamas lawmakers invited to visit EU headquarters despite boycott

"We don't care who they are as long as they are members of the Legislative Council," Triantaphyllides said. "We don't ask if they are members of Hamas or members of Fatah."

"The PLC was elected in 2006 and it was democratically elected," Triantaphyllides continued.

359 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:40:13pm

re: #314 jcm

Soon after I finished college, I moved to LA for 2 yrs, couldn't stand it (sorry, Charles!), then moved to Bend, OR. I ended up going to work for an engineering firm, but was recruited by a company that was going all over the west selling and installing satellite receptors. I don't think internet is any issue up there. And lots of those big spread generate their own electricity. They may be much better off than the rest of us in this regard. They are tough and independent (some to a scary point)...

360 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:40:19pm

I can't believe people are actually voting for high utility costs. Shocking.

361 looking closely  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:40:34pm

In reality, Obama probably can't destroy the coal industry, even if he wanted to.

The Congressional majority he enjoys would fracture when it came down to the rubber-meets-road of elected Democrats destroying their own job-base. They'd defect and he wouldn't get the votes to do it.

On the other hand, this coal policy is one of the most asinine (and I apologize here to jackasses) energy type policies I've heard in a while. It says reams about Obama's judgment and motivation.

362 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #358 Ben Hur

The EU flips off the Joos.

Hamas lawmakers invited to visit EU headquarters despite boycott

Kyriacos Triantaphyllides (born on 3 September 1944, Palaihori) is a Cypriot politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Progressive Party of Working People, sitting with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left group, on the European Parliament's Committee on Regional Development.

363 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:40:58pm

re: #338 Silhouette

I don't have a lot of faith that the decision makers at coal miner unions care anything about coal mining or miners.

Hell.....they've already endorsed Obama.....they're not going to spread news that works against him!

364 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:41:43pm

Has anyone tracked the MSM in their state to hear if they have picked up the coal story, and how it was spun? Just heard the AP-driven radio news (WABC) in the NY/NJ/CT area, and there was no reference to this at all.

365 looking closely  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:41:44pm

re: #276 Charles

Yep. He posts at Larry Johnson's noquarter blog.

Credibility: nil.

These people have done a LOT of damage to the McCain campaign, as have the bloggers who've fallen for the crap they're pushing.

I hear the Michelle Obama "Whitey" tape will be out any day now.

366 oh_dude  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:13pm

You can spin this. This guy is a member of the "Association" which represents the coal industry and not the unions, which are the key to Obama's success in these states.

The unions can still back Obama because how many times do unions and management agree?

This is only effective if the union leaders are smart enough to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that what's bad for their employers is bad for them.

No offense, but I don't think they will. They'll back the messiah even if it means slitting their own throats.

367 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:21pm

re: #321 Kenneth

The list of leading coal mining states reads like the list of the key battleground states.

Obama may have just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'd just like to know where McCain's oppo research has been all this time. McCain should have hammered BHO with this during the "economy" debate - and ever since.

368 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:27pm

re: #343 Salem

There's something for President McCain to reform.

This one case where given the history of elections, I think government should step in. A legitimate, honest, trustworthy election is key to maintaining "consent of the governed" the more this trend continues, the more the possibility of violence by those who feel justly or unjustly disenfranchised.

Between now and '10 it should be mandated all voter rolls be purged. All voters registered with proof of citizenship and residency.

Mandate all voters go to polls and present photo ID to vote. If necessary mandate 2-4 time off from work to be able to vote.

Accounting principals should used to tally the vote. All ballots used, unused should be accounted for.

The Republic is at stake.

369 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:54pm

re: #339 jcm

Union leadership no. Rank and file is another matter.

Yes, but the comment was about the leadership getting this story out TO the rank and file.

I have a feeling that a lot of coal miners will NOT be hearing about this from their unions, but will get plenty of flyers about how McCain will tax them and give the money to the monocled Monopoly guy.

370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:55pm

re: #333 littleoldlady

There
was an article in the NYTimes this morning (can't find the link but
better than a similar one in the Inky) about Philadelphia. They were
saying that the Democrats were worried about the whites in the
Northeast and South Philly who they fear will not vote for Obama. They'd need a HUGE turnout in the black neighborhoods to offset.

And the 4 outlying counties are no way going to deliver Kerry numbers to Obama.

I live in a mostly Black & aging lesbian neighborhood, so maybe my sample is a bit skewed.

371 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:42:59pm

re: #362 Ben Hur

Kyriacos Triantaphyllides (born on 3 September 1944, Palaihori) is a Cypriot politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Progressive Party of Working People, sitting with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left group, on the European Parliament's Committee on Regional Development.

How surprising.

That guy's name looks greek.

372 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:43:08pm
373 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:43:43pm
374 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:43:46pm

Does anyone know of a convenient link to the Hannity montage of Obama's tax plan descent from $300,000 to $97,000?

375 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:43:47pm

re: #353 littleoldlady

I have to post more or I've going to fall off the list! :-(

/can I trade fruitcup for posts?

Little old Lady! hiya!
give me your password and we'll double up your posts..
see how easy that is?
LOL

376 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #346 SpartanWoman

Don't worry there will be no controls at the Philly polling places at al. None. Obama will have a massive surplus

I'll be there as a minority (party, not race!) inspector, so they'll have to get through me first!

377 Kenneth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:12pm

re: #360 SpartanWoman

This may come as a surprise to you, but I could find no mention of the "Obama will bankrupt coal burning utilities" issue any where on CNN. It's not an issue. Go back to sleep.

378 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:18pm

bbl, gotta go p/u our youngest, she has to come home to vote tomorrow.

379 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:19pm

re: #287 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But does it have anything to do with B.A. Barackus?

Ah pity da' fool.

380 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:20pm

#327 stevieray

Plus, Diamond's never pretended to be a conservative or a libertarian from reading the other articles on his blog from what I can see. He's seems to be unabashedly a traditional leftist who supports most labor unions.

Be suprised at how many people on the left do not like ACORN and what they have done.

381 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:24pm

Hey! We got our avatars back! I know, I am likely behind the curve on that one, but I just got back.

382 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:33pm

I am somehow amused that the term "anti-coal" has appeared in our political vocabulary. Coal is a dirty fact of our national energy life, kinda like how you always need people to work in the sewage industry, so to me it's as odd as saying somebody is "anti-sewage".

I also imagine it taken to extremes, as if it's some kind of prejudice. "I hate coal and the filthy, greasy people who mine it! YEARGH! Damn those coalies and their swing votes!"

383 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:42pm

re: #372 buzzsawmonkey

Nutbar leftist "journalist" Greg Palast--who's been pounding the "Republican vote fraud" line for eight years--laying the groundwork for claims that tomorrow's McCain win is "stolen."

I'll take a win anyway we can get it

384 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:51pm

re: #326 Salem

Just think of the coal-staters who have already voted who would have voted differently if it weren't for the deception of the media. They will think about that vote with every hardship that arises. Those are going to be red states by 2010 and ever after.

Of course, H may find that his Democrat comrades in congress aren't as willing to slit their own throats. Ironically, I think the stability of the coal-industry has probably been assured by this. And now there is no guarantee that we'll have to put up with Obomba at all. A pity this didn't leak earlier.

On the bright side, this news may put a last minute torpedo into Murtha (spit be upon him).

385 Kenneth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:53pm

re: #367 Son of the Black Dog

That and a dozen other issues...

386 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:44:56pm

re: #364 runrabbitrun

Has anyone tracked the MSM in their state to hear if they have picked up the coal story, and how it was spun? Just heard the AP-driven radio news (WABC) in the NY/NJ/CT area, and there was no reference to this at all.

Our local 50 thousand watt radio station, a Clear Channel station, and also the most conservative station in Denver (KOA) gets it's national news feed from Fox and sometimes ABC. Nothing about the coal statement on them. The local newscasters have not mentioned it either.

Our 9-12 conservative talk show host, Mike Rosen, mentioned it, and had a few calls about it.

I don't watch TV, not sure about the newspapers either. But no, not news on our biggest radio station here.

387 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:06pm

re: #371 Sunlight

How surprising.

That guy's name looks greek.

Cyprus is half Greek, half Turk. Site of the only war between NATO members.

388 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:12pm

re: #359 Sunlight

I was being mean to my friends in those places. I've friends who own a ranch in WY, their place was one of the last place electrified under the Rural Electrification Project started by FDR. They got electricity in 1978. They are 30 miles off the highway, and basically winter in Nov. to mid March.

389 RedVoter  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:23pm

looks like this election will most likely be decided in the East with all eyes on Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Florida. Depending on how those States go, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada really don't matter (well one of them would). And this coal issue effects all of those mentioned Eastern states directly, as well as Indiana which is another BG state.

390 politicalinsomniac  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:43pm

re: #55 ErislDysnomia

I disagree. We need all.

Including oil shale.

Shale - that's the mother lode right there.

391 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:48pm

just look at the deceitful obama,
pandering to the voters in PA., VA., and ohio like he has their best interests at heart.
the whole time, for months, he has been planning to stab them in the back.
shutting down the coal industry would be disastrous for our economy overall and a terrible blow to all the hard working coal miners out there who take pride in their work and value their jobs.

everyday another stink bomb is dropped abt. obama. showing us who he really is. what he really stands for. it just gets worse.

everyday, mccain stands strong and true. the same good, capable man he was in the beginning, he is now. no terrible revelations abt. his background, his intentions, his character.
he is a patriot. he loves his country.
he will put america first. he has said so.
he will not destroy the very foundation of our country. mccain will win.
it will be the citizens obama has ridiculed who take mccain to victory.

392 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:45:58pm

re: #304 SFGoth

I managed to explain to a leftie friend how trickle down economics works, and the bulb went off in his head. He could not refute me.


Trickle down ecomics is just plan economics. Promote and reward productive behavior and lower subsidies on unproductive behavior. After hundreds of years of testing, it is by far the best system. Wherever it has been used - most natably the USA - the economy has flourished. Wherever command/control systems have been used, the economy has stagnated.

The problem with the term trickle down economics is "trickle down". Economists need a better PR firm.

393 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:06pm

re: #360 SpartanWoman

I can't believe people are actually voting for high utility costs. Shocking.

It's suicidal, IMHO. Suicidal in the way that lemmings follow each other over the cliff.

394 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:11pm

re: #346 SpartanWoman

Don't worry there will be no controls at the Philly polling places at al. None. Obama will have a massive surplus

There's only so many hours and so many voting machines.

/I know...I know... :-(

The GOP has already sued ACORN in PA.

395 Forever  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:15pm

Supporting McCain all the way from Europe's most liberal hole Amsterdam. Come on, please don't give us Obama as the world leader!

396 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:24pm

re: #369 Silhouette

Yes, but the comment was about the leadership getting this story out TO the rank and file.

I have a feeling that a lot of coal miners will NOT be hearing about this from their unions, but will get plenty of flyers about how McCain will tax them and give the money to the monocled Monopoly guy.

Let's hope the more aware among the rank and file do there own info campaign.

397 Salem  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:30pm

re: #349 Walter L. Newton

I believe a lot of the voting schemes we have now WERE reformed by McCain, with McCain-Fiengold.

Hmm. Good point.

398 Wishing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:48pm

the zero loses with or without his latest suicidal plan
Americans wont have him. Period.

399 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:46:58pm

re: #370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Black & aging lesbian neighborhood

Uh, they've got neighborhoods just for middle-aged dykes? Talk about self-segregation!

400 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:19pm

re: #372 buzzsawmonkey

Nutbar leftist "journalist" Greg Palast--who's been pounding the "Republican vote fraud" line for eight years--laying the groundwork for claims that tomorrow's McCain win is "stolen."

Not only the ebil voting machines and voter fraud, but racism.

401 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:30pm

re: #382 Pawn of the Oppressor

Why is it that "protesters" are never "pro" anything? They are always "anti" something. Hmmm...

402 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:33pm

re: #373 Ben Hur

Even though there are hardly any Jews left in Europe or Russian, the Euros and Russians are following the Jews to Israel out of ENVY. They're revving up the neighbors to finish the job because they can't stand the SUCCESS of Israel. It sticks in their craw. The Euros and Russians look so PATHETIC doing these things.

403 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:36pm

its funny how the truth of the Obama campaign always seems to come out in San Francisco (bitter clingers, bankrupting coal industry). I guess it must be that he feels more comfortable there.

404 looking closely  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:39pm

re: #355 FrogMarch

Just heard a great clip of Arnold on Rush. The governator says to Obama: "Our democracy is not for sale."
woot!

drive by - back to work.

Unfortunately, it appears that it IS for sale.

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:47:59pm
406 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:48:09pm

re: #382 Pawn of the Oppressor

I am somehow amused that the term "anti-coal" has appeared in our
political vocabulary. Coal is a dirty fact of our national energy life,
kinda like how you always need people to work in the sewage industry,
so to me it's as odd as saying somebody is "anti-sewage".

I also
imagine it taken to extremes, as if it's some kind of prejudice. "I
hate coal and the filthy, greasy people who mine it! YEARGH! Damn those
coalies and their swing votes!"

It's a dirty job, but as Mike Rowe says, civilzed life wouldn't be possible without those guys.

407 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:48:26pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

Little old Lady! hiya!
give me your password and we'll double up your posts..
see how easy that is?
LOL

Hoosier! :-)

POSTING FRAUD!

408 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:48:36pm

re: #370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I live in a mostly Black & aging lesbian neighborhood, so maybe my sample is a bit skewed.

Ah, the key Afro-Gero-Flannel demographic.

409 dognose  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:48:40pm

Someone is getting a lump of COAL in their stocking this Christmas.

410 strikefo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:48:55pm

yet another example of the MSM not doing its job, by covering this idiot and what he has said in the past.

this blog is the only sanity left.

411 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:49:08pm

re: #369 Silhouette

Yes, but the comment was about the leadership getting this story out TO the rank and file.

I have a feeling that a lot of coal miners will NOT be hearing about this from their unions, but will get plenty of flyers about how McCain will tax them and give the money to the monocled Monopoly guy.

I think a lot of rank-and-file are gonna be pissed off at their leadership, if they wind up getting sold down the river.

412 Sunlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:49:32pm

re: #382 Pawn of the Oppressor

The Dems are a fountain of negativity. After all these years of ethanol subsidies, alternative energy development, etc. they haven't come up with the winning system. I guess they have to count on the Republican hard working tech community to do it so they're going to try thug tactics to get them to produce where the Dems couldn't.

413 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:49:54pm

re: #372 buzzsawmonkey

Nutbar leftist "journalist" Greg Palast--who's been pounding the "Republican vote fraud" line for eight years--laying the groundwork for claims that tomorrow's McCain win is "stolen."

He should just STFU.

414 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:50:07pm

re: #376 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'll be there as a minority... inspector

Sign me up! I'll inspect the latina female minorities.

415 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:50:30pm

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Our local 50 thousand watt radio station, a Clear Channel station, and also the most conservative station in Denver (KOA) gets it's national news feed from Fox and sometimes ABC. Nothing about the coal statement on them. The local newscasters have not mentioned it either.

Our 9-12 conservative talk show host, Mike Rosen, mentioned it, and had a few calls about it.

I don't watch TV, not sure about the newspapers either. But no, not news on our biggest radio station here.

Thanks! ...Why am I not surprised at the major wire services trying to ensure that the voters are uninformed..... our guys are going to have to work fast and furious, but it will get done.

416 jcm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:50:36pm

Armed man waving flag shuts down highway

The reason appears to be anti-war, but I don't know the specifics

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Anti-war and gun waving are not something I've pictured together before.

417 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:50:56pm

ire: #395 Forever

Supporting McCain all the way from Europe's most liberal hole
Amsterdam. Come on, please don't give us Obama as the world leader!

At least you'll have plenty of hash to get you through the next 4 years!

418 looking closely  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:50:59pm

re: #367 Son of the Black Dog

I'd just like to know where McCain's oppo research has been all this time. McCain should have hammered BHO with this during the "economy" debate - and ever since.

Indeed.

And its not even really a "new" issue, since Biden's contradiction of Obama's position on "clean coal" was well documented as one of his many "gaffes".

This should have been front page-news 8 weeks ago.

419 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:03pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

Ah, so you've got something against hope, have you?

You must be one of those racists I keep hearing about.

/

America is color blind, but we're not stupid

Obama's ideas on the economy are just plain dumb.

420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:05pm
421 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:27pm

re: #308 ErislDysnomia

See and spread this video

It's good.

Wow!

Spread it now - there is still time!

422 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:33pm

re: #416 jcm

End war or I'll blow your head off!

423 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:47pm

re: #362 Ben Hur

Kyriacos Triantaphyllides (born on 3 September 1944, Palaihori) is a Cypriot politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Progressive Party of Working People, sitting with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left group, on the European Parliament's Committee on Regional Development.

Consolation prize; the "European Parliament" is about as relevant as an abandoned Fotomat.

424 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:49pm

re: #368 jcm

This one case where given the history of elections, I think government should step in. A legitimate, honest, trustworthy election is key to maintaining "consent of the governed" the more this trend continues, the more the possibility of violence by those who feel justly or unjustly disenfranchised.

Between now and '10 it should be mandated all voter rolls be purged. All voters registered with proof of citizenship and residency.

Mandate all voters go to polls and present photo ID to vote. If necessary mandate 2-4 time off from work to be able to vote.

Accounting principals should used to tally the vote. All ballots used, unused should be accounted for.

The Republic is at stake.

This whole thing is orchestrated. Our faith in our ability to cast a ballot, and ultimately the value of our vote is being disenfranchised. We need to be calm and rational, and not make this an issue to be shouted from the mountain tops. It is highly unlikely that reality will ever be able to match up to an alarmed publics paranoia and fear. Reform is needed, but shaking the nations confidence in our democratic institutions is a lot more damaging than even actual voter fraud.

425 Colonel Panik  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:51:51pm

Good afternoon lizards.
Clingin' bitter here in AZ. I've taken the next few days off from work and I am heading out for a late lunch and then going to swing by McCain HQ to see what sort of volunteer work they need done for the final push.

426 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:52:47pm

re: #356 rawmuse

There is simply no way in hell that the Unions are going to pull their endorsement of Obama, not over this, or anything else.

I know these guys too well.

Yes ... Yes you do .... because they are already making excuses ... they want that card check ...

[Link: www.umwa.org...]

427 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:52:53pm

re: #402 Sunlight

They also think that by blindly supporting the Palestinian Arabs (again, people that are not unique culturally, religiously or otherwise from the rest of the Arab Ummah in their 23 states), they are paying penance for past sins against the Jews.

Look, WE weren't so bad, look what the Joos are doing!

428 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:52:57pm

re: #360 SpartanWoman

I can't believe people are actually voting for high utility costs. Shocking.

The hard core BHO supporters WANT higher energy prices - for all forms of energy. I think they actively want to reduce the American standard of living (too much consumption, take the US down a peg, etc.).

Most of the sheeple don't have the neurons required to make the connection between BHO's energy policies and their power bill.

429 stevieray  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:53:03pm

re: #380 Honorary Yooper

I would guess that Diamond got suckered by Larry Johnson, not that he is a "partner in crime".

Diamond was on to the shady Ayers/CAC/SEIU/Chicago Machine connections back in April or May. I started checking his blog every few days back then, and he is responsible for getting the word out about Obama and Ayers more than most who covered the story.

430 Dustoff-507  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:53:18pm

OK, I'm back.... someone needed medcial info...

431 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:53:21pm

re: #423 Occasional Reader

Consolation prize; the "European Parliament" is about as relevant as an abandoned Fotomat.

And about as sturdy as an abandoned Fotomat as well.

432 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:53:31pm

re: #360 SpartanWoman

I can't believe people are actually voting for high utility costs. Shocking.

Oh, we're voting for so much much much more. We're voting for:

1. Higher taxes
2. Weaker military
3. Defenseless Israel
4. A war with Pakistan
5. Possible trade war with China--we'll lose big time
6. The end of Rush, Sean, Savage, Hugh and Mike Reagan
7. Higher food costs-thanks ethanol
8. Rotten medical treatment for everyone
9. Higher gas prices
10. Russian military bases in our hemisphere
11. Hugo Chavez with Russian weapons
12. Colombia being whupped up on by said Hugo Chavez
13. Amnesty for illegals
14. Endangered gun ownership rights
15. More abortions
16. A smaller middle class--we'll all be poorer
17. Kids not leaving home
18. College tuition out of reach
19. Kids moving back in with Mom and Dad
20. Mom and Dad moving in with the kids
21. Kids euthanizing Mom and Dad

I could go on, but I have to drink my lunch.

433 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:54:07pm
asfd

re: #351 JacksonTn

Sarah Palin in Missouri today .... 18,000 ....here is a pic

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

GO Sister GO ......

Gateway Pundit reported that at the same time Biden was in a town outside of Kansas City and drew a whopping 400 people. Yup, Sarah's dragging down the ticket.

434 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:54:13pm

re: #352 buzzsawmonkey

NO to cross-over primaries.

NO to "early voting."

NO to vote-fraud "registration drives."

NO to voting unverified by photo ID.

Agreed, and two more..

Yes to full disclosure of campaign contributors.
Yes to only US citizens contributing

435 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:54:22pm

re: #423 Occasional Reader

Consolation prize; the "European Parliament" is about as relevant as an abandoned Fotomat.

That would be a good scavenger hunt item - find a Fotomat.

436 VioletTiger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:54:32pm

re: #354 mojo9

The fog clears and the truth is revealed. Better late than never

437 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 12:55:26pm