RIP, Madelyn Dunham

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US News • Mon Nov 3, 2008 at 1:49 pm PST • Views: 268

Barack Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has passed away after a battle with cancer. Our sincere condolences to Obama and his family.

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1 ted  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:50:39pm

Condolences.

2 Sizzlack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:51:27pm

It's a shame she wont get to see election day, regardless of the outcome.

3 Meremortal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:51:42pm

May she be blessed and find her reward.

4 Russkilitlover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:52:08pm

Very sad. One day before, in all probability, her grandson will make history. RIP.

5 LonnyE  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:52:10pm

RIP

6 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:08pm
7 Spellcheck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:08pm

Sympathy to the Obamas.

8 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:14pm

Very sad.

9 2by2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:15pm

dito

10 StinkHammer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:41pm

Lost my own Pappy to cancer, so I know what her struggle was like. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.

11 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:53:49pm

My condolences to the Obama family. Deepest sympathy.

12 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:54:21pm

I mourn with those who mourn.

13 vapig  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:54:36pm

RIP

14 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:54:58pm

My grandmother was more a mother to me as well. My condolences.

15 joan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:55:03pm

The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world. A loving parent, never to be forgotten by those who love her. Rest in peace.

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:55:06pm

I wish I didn't even have to issue this warning, but there's a lot of craziness going on.

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread will lose their account instantly.

17 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:55:14pm

I pray for the repose of her soul, and for all who mourn her passing.

18 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:55:44pm

re: #2 Sizzlack

It's a shame she wont get to see election day, regardless of the outcome.

You're right. If you strip away the ideologies and disagreements, it's a remarkable thing to see your grandson rise up and run for President of the United States of America.

Cancer's terrible.

19 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:56:29pm

Sympathies to the Obama family. This bad news is coming at a highly stressful time for them all, and my prayers go out for them for comfort and peace in their hearts.

20 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:57:01pm

re: #16 Charles

I wish I didn't even have to issue this warning, but there's a lot of craziness going on.

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread will lose their account instantly.

Excellent.

21 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:57:15pm

RIP

I thought he was supposed to visit her recently because she fell and broke her hip.

Then he waited a couple of days, then it was off the wires.

22 shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:58:18pm

Let's keep it respectful

23 Irish Rose  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:58:19pm

You know the saying, lizards... if you can't say something nice then don't say anything. At all.

Rest in peace, dear lady.

24 NamesAGame  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:58:21pm

God bless.

25 shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:58:27pm

R.I.P.

26 Ben Hur  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:58:28pm

re: #16 Charles

I wish I didn't even have to issue this warning, but there's a lot of craziness going on.

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread will lose their account instantly.

Ethical or moral consistency.

And just damn right.

27 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:59:00pm

May God comfort those who mourn.

28 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:59:25pm

re: #21 Ben Hur

RIP

I thought he was supposed to visit her recently because she fell and broke her hip.

Then he waited a couple of days, then it was off the wires.

I think he did get to see her, late last week.

29 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:59:42pm

Loss of a loved one knows no ideology, and grief cares not of creed nor race.
I wish Mr. Obama and his family solace and sincere condolences on this sad occasion.

30 mattm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 1:59:43pm

RIP

31 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:03pm

My condolences (as I stated in the last thread) to Senators Obama and Durbin on their recent loses. However, it will not change my votes on Tuesday.

32 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:06pm

Rest in peace grandma

33 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:07pm

Never a good time, of course.

RIP and my condolences to Obama and his family.

34 Beach Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:11pm

she was an important part of his life, and from what I have read she sacrificed for him always. No greater love and all that. My sympathies to all the Obama family.

35 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:14pm

Ouch, how horrible.

36 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:33pm

Here's to her.

She helped to raise the child when the father was no where to be seen.

37 ted  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:00:57pm

She got to see her grandson rise to the very highest echelons of American prestige and power and live the American dream. Whatever one may think of Barack, he still overcame enormous odds. The people who raised him deserve much credit.

38 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:01:16pm

May she be with God.

My condolences to her friends and family.

39 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:01:26pm

From what I've read, she was the bedrock, and the only decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family, typical white person that she was. It's a shame that he kept her incommunicado. I would have liked to have heard what she had to say.

Rest in Peace.

40 rasta16ry  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:01:31pm

A sad day for Obama and his family.

I guess, in this context, Obama's visit to his grandmother was hardly political after all. I feel like this election has warped everyone's views on everything.

41 Beach Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:02:12pm

They just said he was notified this morning at 8AM..

42 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #18 Cognito

You're right. If you strip away the ideologies and disagreements, it's a remarkable thing to see your grandson rise up and run for President of the United States of America.

Cancer's terrible.

It's a shame, regardless of the outcome tomorrow night, that she will not be here to see it.

And yes, cancer is terrible. Some battles are longer than others, with that of pancreatic cancer being the shortest and one of the nastier ones. It took my grandfather about 10 years ago now.

43 rw in san diego  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:02:39pm

Sincere condolences to the Obama family. May G-d comfort the mourners among us.

44 macbrooks  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:02:57pm

Lost my ma to the big C a few years back. It's good that he got to see her one last time before she went. That's important.

mac :/

45 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:03:41pm

re: #16 Charles

I can't thank you enough for that statement.

46 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:03:50pm

God, bless her. Rest in peace.

47 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:04:07pm

re: #16 Charles

I wish I didn't even have to issue this warning, but there's a lot of craziness going on.

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread will lose their account instantly.

Quoting this so people can see it once again, further downthread.

48 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:04:11pm

Very sad. RIP. Didn't his grandmother raise him?

49 WindHorse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:04:19pm

She was probably the best thing that happened to Obama as a youth...

RIP.

50 Crusty  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:04:41pm

Sad news, very sorry to hear about her passing.

51 shanec99  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:04:55pm

Let us hold the Obama family in our prayers, pain and loss have no political affiliation. May God give them peace.

52 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:03pm

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

A lot of people are commenting on that... did someone say something unsightly? Because otherwise I can't really imagine anyone would.

53 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:16pm

We all go home.

54 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:20pm

re: #48 FrogMarch

Very sad. RIP. Didn't his grandmother raise him?

Pretty much from grade school through college. I'm unsure of the exact age.

55 x-ray  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:31pm

RIP Mrs. Dunham and sincere condolences to the Obama family.

56 BobTheBuilder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:36pm

"Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal"

With heartfelt condolences to the Obama family,
Bob

57 wong fei hung  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:05:46pm

R. I. P.

Condolences to the Senator and his family.

-WFH

58 redstateredneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:06:03pm

My sympathy to those who mourn her passing.

59 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:06:06pm

re: #52 Cognito

A lot of people are commenting on that... did someone say something unsightly? Because otherwise I can't really imagine anyone would.

Someone in the last thread did say something a bit unsightly, but we seem pretty well behaved otherwise.

60 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:06:31pm

May the Lord bless the Obama and Dunham families during this difficult time.

61 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:06:44pm

Condolences to Obama and his family.

Now excuse me. I think I'm going to go have a good cry. For some reason, this is making me think about my grandmother and father.

62 politicalinsomniac  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:07:03pm

Sincere condolences to Barack Obama and his family.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:07:13pm

RIP, Mrs. Dunham, and sincerest thoughts for Barack and Michelle's daughters.

64 jmac1492  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:07:15pm

re: #52 Cognito

I haven't seen it here yet, but this election season, you know it's coming.

Condolences to him and his family.

65 Beach Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:07:29pm

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

Pretty much from grade school through college. I'm unsure of the exact age.

Yes, if i remember correctly, since his mother was gone much of the time, she raised him. Then he lost his mother. Not sure when the grandfather died.

66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:08:45pm

Drudge is also reporting that Obama's Nevada campaign director had a heart attack and died.

67 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:08:54pm

My wife's been fighting cancer for two years, what a trooper;

RIP Ms Dunham

68 Amy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:09:01pm

My sincerest condolences to the Obama family; she was a devoted grandmother who was there when she was needed.

May the Lord comfort you in your loss.

69 wong fei hung  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:09:07pm

An aside:

It's been said a million times but contrast the response in this thread against the kind of garbage you see at other sites. It's a testament to the op that CJ runs and the quality of the posters.

So cheers to all of you and God Bless.

Americans of this caliber are truly the bedrock of our nation. I'm proud to be a supporter and poster here.

-WFH

70 Beach Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:09:15pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Good Grief!

71 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:09:33pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Drudge is also reporting that Obama's Nevada campaign director had a heart attack and died.

Oh my.

73 right Brain  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:10:14pm

If she could have lived one more day! Just one more day she could have reaped the amazing results of her mentoring her grandson.

My, one more day, how unfair.

Condolences to you and your own Senator Obama.

James Croak,
NYC

74 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:10:44pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Drudge is also reporting that Obama's Nevada campaign director had a heart attack and died.

Dang, and he was just 44 as well.

Terence Tolbert, the Nevada campaign director for Barack Obama's presidential campaign and a former top aide to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, has died. He was 44.

A family spokesman says Tolbert died Sunday night in Las Vegas of a massive heart attack.

75 auldtrafford  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:10:56pm

She left at just the right time - full of pride for her grandson's accomplishments, and none of the shame for what he'll make of it.

Vaya con Dios.

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:10:56pm

Someone just down-rated this post.

77 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:01pm

re: #67 greenmiler

My wife's been fighting cancer for two years, what a trooper;

RIP Ms Dunham

My wife's a two-year survivor, so I can relate.

78 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:22pm

My sincere condolences to the Obama family.
Rest in peace, Madelyn Dunham.

79 Gitarzan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:23pm

My condolences to the Obama and Dunham families and their friends.

80 infidel Alan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:35pm

"Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted." Matthew 5:4

81 Viper1  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:41pm

RIP, My condolences to the family

82 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:45pm

Forty-four? Awful. Man, I feel old.

83 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:47pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

What cold-blooded asshole would do that? I hope it was a mistake.

84 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:11:57pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

Who is steakneggs?

85 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:01pm

To Senator Obama and his family mine and Mrs. Loader hope for comfort and peace in your loss!

86 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:24pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

steakneggs?

87 Areozol  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:33pm

I express my condolences too. [*]

88 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:39pm

There's another one.

89 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:45pm

re: #84 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Who is steakneggs?

Someone who may soon be steakneggsinthegarbage.

90 shanec99  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:55pm

Well here I will stop fighting ... gotta quit... can't fight a man who is mourning. I disagree with the Senator on various subjects, but his grandma from all reports was a decent woman. I think the world is a less gentle and generous place because of her passing.
Take care good lizards... tomorrow the fight for 08 may be over, but tonight I will lay down my shield and sword and pray for Sen Obama and his loved ones.

91 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:12:59pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Oh, dear!

92 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:04pm

re: #72 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Obama Nevada Campaign Director Dies At 44
Family Spokesperson Says Terence Tolbert Died Of Apparent Heart Attack

Only 44? Goodness gracious, that is way too young. :-(

Prayers and sympathy for Mr Tolbert's family, as well.

93 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:07pm

Last week I was going through my computer's Address Book for the first time in years and making everything current and up to date. I had about a thousand people in it.
Then, alphabetically, I had to start deleting names.
Deceased. Deceased. Deceased.
And so it went.
Now I have about 900.
I found it very hard to do, even though I know that they were gone, and I had even been to their funerals.
It is because, to me, they are still here. They are with me every day. I think about them. I think about what they would think, or say, or do. I still raise toasts to them. We still talk about them at dinner, have a laugh, have a cry.

I simply can't pick up the phone and call them anymore, and that is a shame.

94 right_in_canada  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:10pm

That is terrible news. Condolonces, BHO. :-(

95 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:12pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

Might have been an accident. I've done that before.

96 brianoflondon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:27pm

Very sorry to hear this. Long life.

97 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:42pm

It's very, very hard losing a grandma, or a great-grandma. I don't know the background story of the family's relationships, but I hope Obama's little girls had the joy of knowing that they were adored beyond measure by this lady, and the pleasure of loving her back.

98 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:13:52pm

re: #88 Charles

There's another one.

Hmmm, never mind my previous comment.

99 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:02pm

Very sad.

Condolences. This woman helped raise him, and it's a shame she won't get to see the election.

100 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:08pm

re: #88 Charles

There's another one.

I only see steakneggs downrating the post when I click on the number.

(as of this point.)

101 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:25pm

re: #76 Charles

That's despicable. I'm in hopes it's a troll who recently entered the Lizard Lounge.

102 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:34pm

re: #72 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Obama Nevada Campaign Director Dies At 44
Family Spokesperson Says Terence Tolbert Died Of Apparent Heart Attack

OMD -

Condolences to Sen. Obama - AND - this is getting verrry eerrrie with both deaths in one day. -S-

103 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:36pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

bad aim ?

104 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:39pm

re: #88 Charles

There's another one.

Don't sweat it -- I get the feeling some folks haven't figured out the ratings system. Instead of seeing it as a matter of approval or disapproval, they think, 'Oh, that's sad. Oh, that's quite sad, not positive at all.'

105 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:45pm

Every one has said all that is worthwhile, I will just add my sympathies and condolences to the Dunhams and Obama families.

106 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:14:56pm

re: #88 Charles

There's another one.

Charles, I suspect it might be from the new registrations today.

107 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:01pm

Condolences.

The irony of this happening the day before the election should not be lost. I'm sure Madelyn Dunham was full of pride over her grandson, but it was her time and she did not make it that one extra day.

Was she robbed of the obortunity of seeing her grandson elected or spared the opportunity of witnessing the greatest upset in modern day political history?

108 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:09pm

re: #67 greenmiler

G-d be with you.

109 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:14pm

Best wishes to her Ward; we thought ours was gone but its back; radiation sessions now

110 Tuari  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:28pm

Condolences. I lost my mother to cancer several years back. It's a tough thing. Despite the craziness, sympathies and best wishes to the entire family.

111 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:46pm

Frankly, you should consider disabling non-related links in the spinoffs on posts like this. Somehow spam military videos leave a bad taste in my mouth.

112 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:55pm

steakneggs

(Logged in)
Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:01 pm

No. of comments posted: 2
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113 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:58pm

re: #93 rawmuse

I can't bring myself to delete a friend's number and email addy, though he's been dead almost three years, now.

It's like, if I do that, he's really gone. I just can't quite bear to do it.

114 Researcher...MO  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:15:58pm

I lost the only Grandmother I ever knew a couple years ago. It will always hurt. My deepest sympathies to the Obama family.

115 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:16:17pm

re: #88 Charles

There's another one.

I guess one could down-ding the passing. Maybe?

116 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:16:21pm

re: #95 bosforus

Might have been an accident. I've done that before.

Me too.

117 badger1970  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:16:22pm

RIP to the tough, courageous lady.

118 Roll-aid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:16:59pm

Well, I just up-rated the post. Each vote counts.

Respectful & Heartfelt sympathies to the Senator's family.

119 HeatherRadish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:17:05pm

Quite sad. My best to Malia and Sasha.

120 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:17:25pm

thanks Levi!

121 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:09pm

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

steakneggs

(Logged in)
Registered since: Aug 29, 2008 at 6:01 pm

No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

Aha! Rotten steakneggs.

122 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:11pm

The second down-ding must have flipped. Only one now.

123 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:15pm

re: #111 JammieWearingFool

Frankly, you should consider disabling non-related links in the spinoffs on posts like this. Somehow spam military videos leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I've deleted them. Very very crass.

124 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:38pm

She worked hard to try to give her grandson a good start in life so that he might be able to go far.
I'm sure she was thrilled by how he turned out.
Condolences to her whole family.

125 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:39pm

re: #121 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Aha! Rotten steakneggs.

Tough steak and overcooked eggs.

126 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:43pm

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

G-d be with you, and yours.

127 The Optimist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:18:53pm

Condolences to the Obama's. Grandparents can mean everything when a parent is missing. RIP Madelyn Dunham.

128 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:19:21pm

Senator, my family and send our sincere condolences to you and your family. God bless your grandmother, and I hope she is at peace.

129 fri  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:19:55pm

My Condolences to The Obama Family.


I'll fess Up. I hit the wrong button when I went to look at how done rated this post. Thankfully it let me change it back.

130 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:20:35pm

re: #126 M. Bensson-Levi


G-d be with you, and yours.

Thanks. My grandmother passed from colon cancer, many years ago.

131 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:20:40pm

On a similar note!
I and my siblings were robbed of a grandfather ...
we never sat on his knee!
The union thugs killed him!
Therefore,my dislike of unions!
I will not comment on the "O" any further today!
Keep the faith Lizards!
Pray if your a mind too!

132 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:20:45pm

May the family be comforted.

133 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:20:49pm

re: #123 Charles

I've deleted them. Very very crass.

Thank you. A time and place for that stuff.

/Like every other thread...

134 WitchDoctor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:21:00pm

re: #104 Cognito

I often have to stop myself from down-dinging things that are good posts, but bad news.

135 beholden  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:21:06pm

Condolences to Obama and his family. From what I hear, she was indeed a remarkable woman.

136 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:21:08pm

So sorry to hear this. I lost my last grandparent a couple years ago myself. :(

137 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:21:54pm

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

Pretty much from grade school through college. I'm unsure of the exact age.

ah - thanks.
I know a few people who were raised by their grandparents. Grandparents who take on the responsibility of child-rearing are special people.

138 SixDegrees  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:22:28pm
A lot of people are commenting on that... did someone say something unsightly? Because otherwise I can't really imagine anyone would

Comments on some other blogs, that I won't name, are horrid. And seemingly unmoderated. Pleas through the forum and by way of direct email to remove such comments and possibly lock them have gone unheeded. It's sickening.

Things are much more civil here. Thanks to everyone for keeping the tone appropriate to this sad topic.

139 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:22:55pm
140 Wishing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #137 FrogMarch

ah - thanks.
I know a few people who were raised by their grandparents. Grandparents who take on the responsibility of child-rearing are special people.

Here here..my hat's off to them.

141 kip  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:23:21pm

RIP dear lady

142 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:23:28pm

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

steakneggs

(Logged in)
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No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

Sockpuppet?

143 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:23:30pm

re: #16 Charles

I wish I didn't even have to issue this warning, but there's a lot of craziness going on.

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread will lose their account instantly.

I imagine the "tin foil hat" types are saying some outrageous things. It makes me wonder how the other side expects us to react to this news.

My condolences.

144 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:23:59pm

Anyone else using Safari having the 'new comments' button take them back to the front page?

145 snowcrash  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:24:05pm

All politics aside, how proud she must have been to have a grandson running for the highest office of the land. Condolences to the Obama family on their loss.

146 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:24:28pm

re: #129 fri

My Condolences to The Obama Family.

I'll fess Up. I hit the wrong button when I went to look at how done rated this post. Thankfully it let me change it back.

That is one feature I am very grateful that Charles put into the system.

Thanks for that ability, Charles.

147 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:24:48pm

It's also now confirmed that the remains found last month were indeed those of Steve Fossett.

RIP, Mr Fossett

148 LEGION  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:24:59pm

re: #65 Beach Lover

His mother sent him to his grandmother at age 10. His mother wanted to study cultural anthropology and he was in the way. This contributed to his feelings of abandonment. So Grandma to the rescue. He's lucky he finally found time to go see her, he missed his mother passing away from cancer in '97 because he dawdled and she went way quicker than expected he said.
There was a link on the Chicago Tribune about his mother- Stanley Ann Durham- but it expired. The whole history on his maternal side of the family. You all haven't researched it already- the day before the election?
Here is another one from Chicago- [Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]
Kudos to us Lizards at LGF who don't post the garbage the Kos crumbbuns or Huffington hotheads do. We are a shining example and dang proud of it.

149 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:21pm

re: #120 greenmiler

Da Nada.

150 Areozol  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:28pm

I can still remember, how my great-grandfather had passed, hence my big compassion. He lived over 100 years, he was a soldier before the 2nd WW, and resistance member during the Nazi occupation. He was a great man in my family...

151 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:34pm

As far as I can tell, Obama's grandmother was the ONLY significant person in his life who was not communist or at least communist-leaning.

Obama's...

Father (Barack Obama Sr.) -- a Kenyan socialist
Mother (Ann Dunham) -- Went to a hard-left high-school in Seattle where she was taught The Communist Manifesto and indoctrinated into communist thinking at a young age.
Stepfather (Lolo Soetoro)-- Indonesian communist sympathizer
Childhood/young-adult mentor (Frank Marshall Davis) -- Hardcore Communist
Adult Mentor (William Ayers) -- Hardcore Communist
Pastor of 20 years (Jeremiah Wright) -- Marxist theologian

Thank heavens for Madelyn Dunham, probably the only person who ever taught Obama some sense!

152 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:44pm

re: #147 Intrepid

It's also now confirmed that the remains found last month were indeed those of Steve Fossett.

RIP, Mr Fossett

I'm glad that his family finally has closure. Some families never get that.

153 HeatherRadish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:54pm

re: #135 beholden

Condolences to Obama and his family. From what I hear, she was indeed a remarkable woman.

She does seem like the only member of Obama's birth family who put his well-being above their own.

154 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:25:57pm
155 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:26:12pm

re: #76 Charles

Someone just down-rated this post.

Who is that? Has it ever posted?

156 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:26:13pm

re: #139 moishe62

What are you thinking?!

This is a case where, if you've nothing good to say, you don't say anything at all.

157 2by2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:26:33pm

re: #69 wong fei hung

An aside:

It's been said a million times but contrast the response in this thread against the kind of garbage you see at other sites. It's a testament to the op that CJ runs and the quality of the posters.

So cheers to all of you and God Bless.

Americans of this caliber are truly the bedrock of our nation. I'm proud to be a supporter and poster here.

-WFH

well said

158 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:26:51pm

Seven posts in four years? We won't miss that one.

159 Drained Brain  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:26:54pm

Having lived through the deaths of my own parents and grandparents over the years, I feel for Senator Obama, who has lost his final parental link at a much younger age than I did.

160 Darth_K  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:27:01pm

And here was his grandfather Mr. Dunham, easy to see where he got his facial bone structure, and the ears too :)

Image: obama-grandfather.jpg

161 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:27:16pm

re: #144 eschew_obfuscation

Anyone else using Safari having the 'new comments' button take them back to the front page?

I had some of the buttons do that to me earlier today on IE7. It was a bit erratic as they would work most of the time for their purpose, and then, seemingly randomly, send me to the front page.

162 cardiacmont  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:27:55pm

My prayers for Obama and his family on the passing of their grandmother.

163 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:28:02pm

1922 - 2008
86 Years, that is allot of history for sure. May she rest in peace.

164 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:28:09pm

re: #156 Dianna

What are you thinking?!

This is a case where, if you've nothing good to say, you don't say anything at all.

I'm thinking moby. Seven posts in four years.

165 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:28:24pm

re: #147 Intrepid

It's also now confirmed that the remains found last month were indeed those of Steve Fossett.

RIP, Mr Fossett

I had a real bad feeling about that when they found his plane. Shame, considering his other exploits and attempts (such as balloning around the world).

166 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:28:25pm

re: #103 Shug

bad aim ?

Why not? When I went to click the number, my mouse slid a little. I just caught it before I clicked on the - . But then, Charles does provide the ability to negate it.

167 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:29:02pm

re: #161 Honorary Yooper

I had some of the buttons do that to me earlier today on IE7. It was a bit erratic as they would work most of the time for their purpose, and then, seemingly randomly, send me to the front page.

That more accurately describes my symptoms as well...thanks.

168 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:29:50pm

re: #144 eschew_obfuscation

Anyone else using Safari having the 'new comments' button take them back to the front page?

Only happened on IE7 this morning for me. I download Safari a few hours ago, seems to be running fine (and a bit faster).

169 boondocksaint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:29:54pm

sympathies to the Obama family. Losing a loved one is never easy.

170 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:29:55pm

re: #164 Ward Cleaver

I don't care about politics at the moment.

Good heavens, what is the matter with some people?

171 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:30:19pm

Condolences to the Dunham and Obama families.

However tomorrow turns out, it's a pity that this lady did not live to see it. It's certainly a historic day, although, yes, I hope her grandson does not prevail.

172 zelnaga  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:30:21pm

re: #39 M. Bensson-Levi

From what I've read, she was the bedrock, and the only decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family, typical white person that she was. It's a shame that he kept her incommunicado. I would have liked to have heard what she had to say.

Rest in Peace.

Maybe it was her cancer and not Obama that kept her incommunicado?

173 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:30:24pm

re: #155 Outrider

Who is that? Has it ever posted?

steakneggs. Twice, since August, but I have seen it downding a lot of other posts and comments. It's someone's sockpuppet.

174 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:30:36pm

I have been a nervous wreck these last few days as the election approaches, as I see close family members who tell me they will vote for Obama, and myself more convinced than ever that BHO is at the very least, a socialist, and most likely a radica leftistl. Nonetheless when you read about the death of someone's grandmother, who was the only relative Obama had who didn't abandon him (both of his parents did, and his maternal grandfather was a loser of a drunk) you have to feel some sympathy for the candidate. Perhaps he will reflect. Perhaps in the likely but unfortunate circumstance he gets elected the memory of this person will help him to moderate his most radical impulses. So I pray for Senator Obama. He is a human being, after all, and pray for his grandmother as well. Sometimes you don't really reconcile your relationship with someone until after they die. In distancing himself from the rabid hater Jeremiah Wright, Obama used the example of his grandmother as a cheap moral equivalent for his own political gain. I am sure she forgave him. Perhaps from heaven, she can steer him to the path away from playing the race card. Sigh. talk about mixed emotions.

175 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:30:52pm

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham

Madelyn Lee Payne
b. October 26, 1922
d. November 3, 2008 (aged 86)

R.I.P.

176 Maximu§  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:31:33pm

RIP Madelyn

I'm sure the Kos Kids are hovering close by, waiting for a nasty comment, but this isn't about politics, its about a dear person who passed away.

177 bsjracing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:31:50pm

Godspeed

178 I heart the USA  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:31:59pm

I didn't know his grandmother was dying of cancer. The only reference I saw was that she was recovering from hip surgery. Perhaps this explains why he didn't take his daughters with him to see her that last time. My own grandmother died of cancer and was in so much pain that the morphine only slightly dulled her pain while leaving her mentally incoherent. I would never subject young children to that.

From all accounts of her, his winning or losing wouldn't change her pride of his accomplishments, but I'm sorry she couldn't live to see the election.

My sincerest sympathies go out to the Obama family.

179 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:32:02pm

re: #164 Ward Cleaver

I'm thinking moby. Seven posts in four years.

Ward, you should see some posts at a few other sites, ones that usually share most of the sentiment expressed here. I just tiptoed over and read at a few - it's appalling what is allowed to be posted.

I'm so glad that we hold ourselves to a higher standard of decency here.

180 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:32:03pm

I am very sad to hear this. It is not easy losing a grandparent. My condolences to the Obama family. I am glad he got to see her before she passed away.

181 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:33:18pm

RIP

182 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:33:37pm

R.I.P.

183 2by2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:34:18pm

Koheleth: (king salomon)
we are like fish in a bowl; anytime we might be removed, not knowing why, the mystery of life...

184 jamsler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:34:24pm

Condolences to the Obama family.

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:34:27pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Only happened on IE7 this morning for me. I download Safari a few hours ago, seems to be running fine (and a bit faster).

The only thing I don't like about Safari is that there isn't a full screen mode that you get in FF or IE by tapping the F11 key. Yeah, I'm picky.

186 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:34:57pm

'steakneggs' also dinged down the post about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking. Apparently another mean-spirited creationist.

This one is out of here.

187 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:35:03pm

Politics aside, there is nothing but sadness in news like this...my mom even asked me this morning, "What happened with Obama's Grandma? She was so sick last week but now we haven't heard anything." 2 hours later, the alert came on FoxNews, and my instantaneous, no time to think reaction was, "What an absolute shame that she didn't make it to election day, after watching his meteoric rise her whole life." I certainly don't agree with his politics, but wouldn't wish a loss like this on anyone, especially the day before the most stressful of your life - only good thoughts and prayers sent the way of his family.

188 Researcher...MO  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:35:20pm

re: #144 eschew_obfuscation

Anyone else using Safari having the 'new comments' button take them back to the front page?

No problem here.

I do think it is a good thing that Mr. Obama got to see her before she went, and that he had time to mentally prepare for her passing.

Mr. RMO's and my loss a few weeks ago of a dear friend and neighbor was tragically sudden, and only by the grace of God had we had a nice visit with her only two nights before.

Also for the Nevada gentleman and his family, my sympathies.

189 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:01pm

re: #175 abolitionist

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham


R.I.P.

Gosh..she lived a long time..
Lord..grant her peace and eternal happiness in your presence..

190 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:06pm

I missed it...Are people actually saying lewd comments on this thread?

191 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:20pm

I saw the news break on TV waiting in line at the grocery store. Condolences to the Obama family. From everything I ever read or saw on Madelyn Dunham, she was a very good woman.

192 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:24pm

Just a crushing loss for the Senator and his family at such an inopportune time. All condolences. This election seemingly taking on operatic proportions.

193 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:27pm

re: #186 Charles

'steakneggs' also dinged down the post about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking.

This one is out of here.

Steakneggs, we hardly knew ye...which is probably a good thing.

194 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:42pm

re: #151 zombie

As far as I can tell, Obama's grandmother was the ONLY significant person in his life who was not communist or at least communist-leaning.

Obama's...

Father (Barack Obama Sr.) -- a Kenyan socialist
Mother (Ann Dunham) -- Went to a hard-left high-school in Seattle where she was taught The Communist Manifesto and indoctrinated into communist thinking at a young age.
Stepfather (Lolo Soetoro)-- Indonesian communist sympathizer
Childhood/young-adult mentor (Frank Marshall Davis) -- Hardcore Communist
Adult Mentor (William Ayers) -- Hardcore Communist
Pastor of 20 years (Jeremiah Wright) -- Marxist theologian

Thank heavens for Madelyn Dunham, probably the only person who ever taught Obama some sense!

A thousand up-dings, dear Zombie.

195 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:36:53pm

re: #175 abolitionist

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham


R.I.P.

Wow, The senator looks just like his grandfather!

196 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:37:03pm

Rest in Peace

197 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:37:21pm

re: #186 Charles

'steakneggs' also dinged down the post about the Pope meeting Stephen Hawking.

This one is out of here.

Thank you .. Hawking is like a genius..who is without guile

198 Gang of One  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:37:35pm

My nephews lost their grandpa this weekend -- my sister's dad-in-law. Also to cancer.
Mr. Obama, my sincerest condolences, I am truly sorry for your loss. May your grandmother rest in eternal peace. May you and your family be comforted by the prayers of friends and family.

199 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:37:43pm

I don't want him to win tomorrow, but to lose someone this close, this influential on the eve of what could be the greatest triumph of anyone's life has got to be devastating. A win for him tomorrow will be poignant and bittersweet.

My thoughts and prayers for him and his family in this time of mourning.

200 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:37:53pm

re: #95 bosforus

Might have been an accident. I've done that before.

I've quickly glanced over a post, hit the up-ding and then realized their statement was way too strong and didn't really say what I agree with. In fact, I did that over the weekend! It was someone that got their hand slapped by Charles ~ boy did I feel stupid!

201 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:38:10pm

re: #172 zelnaga

Maybe it was her cancer and not Obama that kept her incommunicado?

We'll never know. However, I've had all too much experience witnessing loved ones die of various forms of cancer, and two months from death, four months, six months, a year, victims are quite able to function and communicate. Something other than cancer prevented this. Mind, it may have been of her own volition, but it was not because cancer had debilitated her beyond the point of communication.

202 Maximu§  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:38:31pm

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

203 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:39:22pm

re: #202 Maximu§

You know EXACTLY what they would say.

204 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:39:25pm

I am so sorry to hear she died today . . . , she seemed like a really nice person . . . , she sure did love her grandson!

205 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:39:26pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

At the very least, they'd have to delete practically every comment on the thread.

206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:39:31pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

Think back to when Tony Snow passed away...

207 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:40:22pm

irrespective of politics , that is so sad!
and possibly on the day before her grandson gets elected to the office of leader of the free world.. the most powerful position on the planet.


condolences to Obama and his family.

208 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:40:29pm

re: #206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
My thought exactly...
We loved TonY!

209 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:40:29pm

re: #151 zombie

As far as I can tell, Obama's grandmother was the ONLY significant person in his life who was not communist or at least communist-leaning.

Obama's...

Father (Barack Obama Sr.) -- a Kenyan socialist
Mother (Ann Dunham) -- Went to a hard-left high-school in Seattle where she was taught The Communist Manifesto and indoctrinated into communist thinking at a young age.
Stepfather (Lolo Soetoro)-- Indonesian communist sympathizer
Childhood/young-adult mentor (Frank Marshall Davis) -- Hardcore Communist
Adult Mentor (William Ayers) -- Hardcore Communist
Pastor of 20 years (Jeremiah Wright) -- Marxist theologian

Thank heavens for Madelyn Dunham, probably the only person who ever taught Obama some sense!

And as sad as this passing ALREADY is...that's a very good point, too bad she's the only one who won't be around to influence him during a possible administration. All that's left are the...well, the left.

210 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:40:30pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

I saw a few very lewd cartoons and drawings making fun of Palin's young infant son with Down's. That was a new low in political rhetoric.

211 Gang of One  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:41:00pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

That's why we're Lizards, and they're not.

212 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:41:02pm

re: #183 2by2

Koheleth: (king salomon)
we are like fish in a bowl; anytime we might be removed, not knowing why, the mystery of life...

I am so sorry, but that has reminded me of this...

I am so ill.///

213 jill e  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:41:24pm

Thank God for grandmas! My mother-in-law has watched my children for me since they were very young. I don't know what I'd do without her.

214 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:41:25pm

re: #206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't they have "nice" things to say when Heston died?

215 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:41:40pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

Think about 180 degrees from what we have here on LGF.

216 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:42:02pm

re: #39 M. Bensson-Levi

From what I've read, she was the bedrock, and the only decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family, typical white person that she was. It's a shame that he kept her incommunicado. I would have liked to have heard what she had to say.

Rest in Peace.

Well, if she went to Heaven, you can bet she actually has a much better view of the matter now. Like being lifted out of the economy seat, where there's a buncha large-ish people with big hats in front of you and the stage, and being placed into the best balcony seat in the building and given a set of opera glasses.

217 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:42:10pm

My dear mother-in-law passed away two years ago. Within one year, all of my married daughters and my daughters-in-law gave birth to five little girls, all named Sarah after their beloved "Bubbie."

218 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:42:57pm

re: #214 NYCHardhat

Didn't they have "nice" things to say when Heston died?

Him also. Detestable pukes reside at Kos, Huffpo, and DU.

219 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:43:13pm

re: #214 NYCHardhat

Didn't they have "nice" things to say when Heston died?

Yeah, very nice. They were so nice, in fact, they'd have been deleted PDQ here. As they did when Tony Snow passed away, and as they most assuredly did when Ronald Reagan passed away.

220 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:43:37pm

At least he got a chance to see her one last time. And at least, given the chance, he took it. It's not politics uber alles, with Obama.

The prospect of an in-your-face unsportsmanlike-conduct celebration on election night, which may never have been in the works, is now even more unlikely. Should he win, the win will come at a time of sober reflection.

Winning an election seems like it would be just hugely exhilarating. But even with no personal clouds hanging over the win, anyone worthy of a win has to experience some gut-clenching misgivings. This must go through the winner's head:

Now, it's all on me. I had better get my game face on and go do a good job, and it won't be easy.

221 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:43:39pm

re: #206 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Think back to when Tony Snow passed away...

You took my comment! That was my thought exactly when I read the "what would the kos kids say?" post...remember back to when Tony Snow, and even Reagan, passed, and you'll have a taste of how they'd respond today. Vile to even think - and conservatives are called the haters, I've never ever understood where that comes from. Obama has probably gotten more love and condolences on this site today than on many of his so-called 'supporters' sites, who are probably using this chance to say, "Oh, and those lizards are probably over there bad-mouthing Madlyn!"

222 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:44:02pm

i've thought a lot abt. his gramma. she seems like a remarkable woman.
who clearly loved her grandson and took him in when his parents didn't want him. i hope she had joy in life and i hope she rests in peace now.

223 johngaltlives  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:44:14pm

re: #210 JohnAdams

That is why the Left is who they are and we are who we are. They have no sense of class or repect.

I want to extend my sincere sympathy to the Obama family, especially the little girls. This campaign has been hard on them and now they have lost their great grandmother. A grandmother is a very special thing. We may have issues with our parents but always love our grandmother.

224 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:44:22pm

May what you have tried to teach him by your example of your love and compassion as a grandmother find it's way into his soul. RIP Madelyn Dunham
your work and toil on this earth is over. Amen.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:45:01pm

To the family. Deepest condolences.

To those who typed things that got deleted...shame on you.

226 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:45:08pm

R. I. P.

227 GeeWiz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:45:11pm

Madelyn Dunham, dear lady, your work here is done. May you rest in peace now. Condolences to the Obama family.

228 Gang of One  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:45:30pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, very nice. They were so nice, in fact, they'd have been deleted PDQ here. As they did when Tony Snow passed away, and as they most assuredly did when Ronald Reagan passed away.

The things those animals say about the dead they disagree with is only one step away from wishing them dead, and two degrees away from killing actually them.

229 johngaltlives  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:45:31pm

re: #224 notutopia


That is beautiful. Very apprapro.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:46:19pm

re: #224 notutopia

And Amen.

231 jill e  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:46:32pm

Notable on her own:

Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham was born on October 26, 1922, in Peru, Kansas. She attended the University of Washington as well as UC Berkeley working several jobs in between. After moving to Hawaii she began working for the Bank of Hawaii where she later became the bank’s first female vice-president.

232 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:46:39pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

I was at an Orioles game the day after Reagan died. The announcer called for a moment of silence. An entire stadium of people suddenly falling silent is really striking. But what amazed me most was when the moment was up, the entire stadium gave Reagan a standing ovation that lasted for several minutes. It was the most touching moment I have ever seen in a sports venue (and yes, that includes the Phillies winning!). I still get teary thinking about it.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:47:05pm

re: #217 Alouette

How sweet.

234 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:47:32pm

I really hope the 2012 election doesn't gear up until say, 2012. this has been very emotionally draining.

235 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:47:42pm

re: #232 arethusa

The man was my favorite.

236 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:47:50pm

re: #232 arethusa

That's pretty extraordinary for a politican.

237 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:03pm

re: #195 CapeCoddah

Wow, The senator looks just like his grandfather!

Yes he does.

re: #151 zombie

Upding!

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:09pm

re: #234 Blue Eyed Music Lover

I really hope the 2012 election doesn't gear up until say, 2012. this has been very emotionally draining.

Um... it starts Wednesday.

239 Pyroskank  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:31pm

First and foremost, my heartfelt condolences to the Dunham and Obama families. Death is blind to politics, and the loss of a loved one should be equally nonpolitical. The warm sentiments expressed here reinforce my belief in the American heart and the high moral character of the Lizard Army.

I'll try restrict my political comments here, saying only that I'm positive that, were the situation reversed, the reaction of the opposing party would be...less positive.

240 PhDude  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:38pm

My vote tomorrow goes to McCain, but my condolences today go to Obama and his family.

RIP Madelyn.

241 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:42pm

re: #232 arethusa

I was at an Orioles game the day after Reagan died. The announcer called for a moment of silence. An entire stadium of people suddenly falling silent is really striking. But what amazed me most was when the moment was up, the entire stadium gave Reagan a standing ovation that lasted for several minutes. It was the most touching moment I have ever seen in a sports venue (and yes, that includes the Phillies winning!). I still get teary thinking about it.

That's awesome!

242 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:48:54pm

re: #234 Blue Eyed Music Lover

I really hope the 2012 election doesn't gear up until say, 2012. this has been very emotionally draining.

Nope. It starts on Wednesday. Constant election cycle. Makes you wanna barf.

243 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:49:09pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Um... it starts Wednesday.


I'm afraid your right FBV...I'm not up to it!

244 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:49:21pm

My deepest sympathies to the Obama family. What terrible news.

245 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:49:55pm

re: #234 Blue Eyed Music Lover

I really hope the 2012 election doesn't gear up until say, 2012. this has been very emotionally draining.

I've had some pretty strongly worded debates with family members, all of whom I treasure much more than an election win. I can't wait until its over so we can return to talking about sports or our kids.

246 FreakyBoy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:50:13pm

She was a true and awesome grandmother. RIP

247 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:51:02pm

O/T but unbelievable!-

U.S. Treasury Department to Host
Shariah Compliant Financing Forum!

By Brigitte Gabriel

Dear RJ,

This Thursday, in association with the Islamic Finance Project of the Harvard Law School, the U.S. Treasury will be hosting a forum entitled “Islamic Finance 101.”

You read this correctly. As the humorist Dave Barry writes in many of his columns, “I am not making this up.”

Indeed, despite the fact that we in ACT! for America and others have been warning about the infiltration of shariah (Islamic law) into our society for some time, to witness how quickly it is happening causes me to tremble inside.

Our own U.S. Treasury is hosting a forum aimed at educating “staff from U.S. banking regulatory agencies, Congress, Department of Treasury, and other parts of the Executive Branch.”

So what is Shariah Banking you ask?

Sharia banking was created by radicals like Sheik Qaradawi, a terrorist who today is banned from entering the United States and Great Britain. Who today leads international Islamic Finance agencies. How does he describe Shariah Finance? 'I like to call it Jihad with money, because God has ordered us to fight enemies with our lives and our money.'

Everything in me wants to shout from the highest house top “Will enough Americans wake up in time? Have our leaders become so blinded with greed that they are willing to sell our soul, and endanger our national security, in exchange for Arab money?”

248 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:51:13pm

re: #200 poopeedoo

I've quickly glanced over a post, hit the up-ding and then realized their statement was way too strong and didn't really say what I agree with. In fact, I did that over the weekend! It was someone that got their hand slapped by Charles ~ boy did I feel stupid!

Yeah, that's never fun.

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:51:45pm

re: #245 JohnAdams

Had my first every (even close to) cross words with my neighbors yesterday about the election.

Went over later and apologized.

250 Crusty  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:52:08pm

re: #242 calcajun

Nope. It starts on Wednesday. Constant election cycle. Makes you wanna barf.

Look at the bright side; either way, win or lose, Sarah Palin begins her 4-year run for the Presidency tomorrow.

(I'm assuming John McCain will retire at the end of his 1st term)

251 MsSmith  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:52:27pm

RIP.

252 mikalm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:06pm

Prayers for the repose of her soul, and for comfort to her family and friends.

Just one day away from what was going to probably be the proudest day of her life...

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:09pm

re: #248 bosforus

Your avatar scared the poop out of me when I was a child. Remember watching that on my grandmothers lap. Just got a little "extra" sadder.

254 CoolShades  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:13pm

My condolences to the Dunham and Obama families. My she rest in Peace.

255 nigella  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:16pm

Maybe God in his wisdom choose to take her now thinking her Grandson was going to win. I pray for her soul. I also pray God sees fit to deny Obama the Presidency.

256 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:36pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know. I can dream, can't I?

257 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:43pm

re: #192 JohnAdams

Just a crushing loss for the Senator and his family at such an inopportune time. All condolences. This election seemingly taking on operatic proportions.

Its story lines like this that keep me away from the Opera.

258 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:45pm
259 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:53:58pm

re: #247 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Ahem ...No one can buy or sell MY SOUL!
Their souls have been for sale for long long time!

260 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:54:19pm

re: #250 Crusty

Look at the bright side; either way, win or lose, Sarah Palin begins her 4-year run for the Presidency tomorrow.

(I'm assuming John McCain will retire at the end of his 1st term)

This does not obviate the fact that we are going to be putting up with this election crap for '4 more years'.

261 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:55:00pm

re: #250 Crusty

Look at the bright side; either way, win or lose, Sarah Palin begins her 4-year run for the Presidency tomorrow.

(I'm assuming John McCain will retire at the end of his 1st term)

I like Sarah, but I think she will be vilified by the left and its partners in the mainstream media so badly by 2012, that she will be merely an asterisk to history.

262 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:55:05pm

re: #249 Fat Vegetarian

Had my first every (even close to) cross words with my neighbors yesterday about the election.

Went over later and apologized.

Several neighbors across the street from me have Obama signs up. I had a few beers with them the other night as we passed out Halloween candy. The election never came up. They're great people. Many Obama supporters wouldn't even know what a Kos Kid was.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:55:20pm

re: #258 Charles

I agree with Marcos. Huh.

264 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:55:55pm
265 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:56:21pm

re: #258 Charles

You can't polish a turd.

266 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:56:22pm

Forgive me if someone has already mentioned or discussed this - seems like I never hit a post until there are 200+ comments, and I can't always read them all - but has anyone seen if McCain or Palin has commented? Just curious - I'm sure McCain will do/say something classy, like when he put out his ad congratulating Obama on his nomination, I was SO impressed with him for doing that - but was just wondering if anyone had seen anything specific.

Family sadness and loss aside, this does indeed add a tragic twist to this campaign, making it harder on both candidates, for very different reasons, of course- everyone will be waiting for McCain to do or say something they can call 'insensitive' or something, even though he's never been anything but kind and decent towards Obama and his family.

267 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:56:34pm

re: #258 Charles

Ugh, disgusting. Best of luck to Free Republic on getting rid of that garbage.

/should employ the policy you adopted for this thread.

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:56:56pm

re: #264 M. Bensson-Levi

Not sure whether to laugh at that, or get reeeaallly uncomfortable.

269 Randall Gross  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:57:56pm

Rest in peace.

270 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:58:07pm

how sad and poignant. RIP Ms Dunham.

partisanship ends once we get down to the basic human level, where we're all the same.

271 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:58:31pm

re: #258 Charles

No one escapes death. Perhaps they have forgotten this.

272 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:58:46pm

RIP Mrs. Dunham

273 paint-right  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:58:47pm

If no one else has said it, i just want to go on record saying how much I admire all the grandparents the world over who have raised grandchildren. I know they do it with love , but it is never easy, there is always pain and loss of some sort involved and if they are anything like me, their energy level is not what it was when they raised their own kids.

So I salute Mrs. Dunham and I pray for the family's comfort and - whatever happens - I pray Mr. Obama is deeply touched by remembrance of her love for him.

274 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 2:59:15pm

re: #258 Charles

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]


" I am so angry at these people I can't see straight."

but then , thats what the left is all about. being angry. ALL THE TIME...

couldnt the Kos Kid just like IGNORE the freepers - just for once?

275 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:00:16pm

re: #202 Maximu§

I can't help but wonder what Huffpo or DailyKos would say if John McCain's or Sarah Palin's Grandmother passed away.

It is so hard to work out my feelings now, but this is the place on the road where we have a chance to learn what we really are. The mentality and emotions of Obama, including his politics, were impressed on his earthly personality well after his birth, and sometimes I wonder if there but for the grace of God, so might have gone I. It takes a lot of scraping down of that which has been impressed upon us by our environment and circumstances to find the unconditioned soul within us all, and that is what I try to find union with Obama tonight.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:00:29pm

re: #273 paint-right

My parents raised (and co-raised) 6 kids. Takes very especially unselfish people to do this.

277 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:00:44pm

re: #266 Lorenska
i guarantee you McCain will say something and handle it with class.

278 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:01:04pm

A comment from that Daily Kos post:

You know what? Maybe you should update your

diary with this: Little Green Footballs.

It actually warmed my heart a little. Maybe there's hope? No matter how small, it's got to start somewhere

279 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:01:39pm

re: #258 Charles

Charles, when clicking on a deleted comment to see who made it, what does this mean- "Error: This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository."? Is it different than "This user is blocked"?

280 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:01:51pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not sure whether to laugh at that, or get reeeaallly uncomfortable.

Apparently you can laugh at it getting deleted.
Ha-ha, it's outta here!

281 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:02:05pm

re: #273 paint-right
No Doubt!
I and Mrs. Loader are raising an 8 year old w/ ADHD!
He's a hand full ,but it's also caused us to re acess our
priorities.We know it will be worth it!

282 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:02:08pm

re: #258 Charles

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Of course the poster is ready to 'beat the s*** out of" these posters, but the vile stuff the left spewed upon the deaths of Snow, Reagan, et al, somehow got past him...I'm just guessing, of course. Maybe he threatened violence to those folks, too...I'm just saying, I kinda doubt it.

Those posts were horrific, and I'm sure that diarist had a very good time surfing the net looking for them. Hey! Look! None from LGF! What a shock!

283 Suzette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:02:35pm

May she rest in peace and Perpetual Light shine upon her.
Sad to hear this.

284 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:02:53pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not sure whether to laugh at that, or get reeeaallly uncomfortable.

When there's a choice, always laugh.

285 paint-right  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:03:04pm

re: #281 reloadingisnotahobby

No Doubt!
I and Mrs. Loader are raising an 8 year old w/ ADHD!
He's a hand full ,but it's also caused us to re acess our
priorities.We know it will be worth it!

wow! good for you!

(love your nic! i've always wanted to tell you!)

286 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:03:19pm

re: #278 Charles

Yes there are sane posters over there. Unfortunately they are out numbered by the rest of the crowd. Good to see that some one is paying attention to outside their fishbowl.

287 Arkay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:03:22pm

One recalls the story (recounted in Manchester's The Glory and the Dream) of Truman's reaction when he read in a news biography that his, Truman's, father was referred to as "a failure."

"My father was no failure," he is said to have replied sharply. "My father raised a President."

So he did.

Mrs. Dunham can go to her Maker proud of making her grandson capable of what he has achieved. Not bad, not bad at all.

288 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:03:46pm

re: #258 Charles

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I'm actually quite amazed reading their comments. Have they not read a SINGLE post ever put up at dKos for example when Snow died, our own VP was having medical problems, etc. It was vile, hateful garbage and they encouraged each other. They are now using the same intemperate language condemning, uh intemperate language.

289 Randall Gross  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:03:56pm

John and Cindy McCain :

“We offer our deepest condolences to Barack Obama and his family as they grieve the loss of their beloved grandmother. Our thoughts and prayers go out to them as they remember and celebrate the life of someone who had such a profound impact in their lives.”

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:04:11pm
291 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:04:17pm

re: #250 Crusty

Look at the bright side; either way, win or lose, Sarah Palin begins her 4-year run for the Presidency tomorrow.

(I'm assuming John McCain will retire at the end of his 1st term)

I hate to sound really morbid (I am a true glass half-empty kinda guy) but I have a gut feeling that no matter what happens tomorrow, the next POTUS won't make it to the next election. Call it a very bad feeling. Hope I'm wrong, though.

BTW, I've had two GOTV calls from camp McCain here in San Diego in the past hour.

292 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:04:45pm

re: #278 Charles

Interesting...I also found it interesting that if you click on the orange "actual quote" link to get to the site the quote came from, it's generally surrounded and buried amongst well wishes and good thoughts. He found some hate, but he had to dig to find it, and dig he did. As many lefties will spend the night doing, I'm sure - I'm SO glad they will come up empty here, as usual.

293 nikis-knight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:05:20pm

re: #278 Charles

A comment from that Daily Kos post:

Don't get excited. They'll forget any kindness or civility shown them. Just llike all the times Bush invited Dems like Kennedy to work on legislation with him, to later be called all sorts of wicked things.

But yeah, it's classy here. Thanks Charles.

294 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:05:52pm

re: #285 paint-right
Thanks!
on raising a grandson...I get to go fishing more;-)

295 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:06:21pm

re: #289 Thanos

Classy.

296 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:06:32pm

RIP Grandma

297 opnion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:06:56pm

From all that I have read, Grandma Dunham was a trooper.
She became the first female VP for the Bank of Hawaii. As I recall she did it without the benefit of any college. She loved & nurtured her grandson & sent him to the best prep school in the State, at no little sacrafice.
I do hope that she was at peace & without pain when she passed.

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:12pm

Charles? You may need to disable the icons for a bit.

299 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:19pm

re: #289 Thanos

John and Cindy McCain :

“We offer our deepest condolences to Barack Obama and his family as they grieve the loss of their beloved grandmother. Our thoughts and prayers go out to them as they remember and celebrate the life of someone who had such a profound impact in their lives.”

Very nice!

300 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:36pm
Several neighbors across the street from me have Obama signs up. I had a few beers with them the other night as we passed out Halloween candy. The election never came up. They're great people. Many Obama supporters wouldn't even know what a Kos Kid was.

I talked to Obama supporters recently, and with all do respect, they are clueless about him. I brought up several direct quotes (like what kind of judges he said he will put in place), specifics on the burdens to small business, etc.

Almost everyone said "No, he won't do any of that". And they were serious.

At first it bugged me that these people are voting for someone they know nothing about, but after reading above posts, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that my co-workers and some friends are NOT really voting to enact socialistic policies, or remove blind justice, remove secrete ballots, etc.

That also gives me hope for 2010 and 2012.

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:39pm

re: #299 Adina in Judea
Wasn't it just this am The "O" flipped him off?
Sort of!

302 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:47pm

re: #289 Thanos

John and Cindy McCain :

LOVE that man...I kind of think that if the tables were turned, Obama would probably offer condolences as well, but somehow everything just seems more sincere coming from McCain. I believe he and Cindy truly feel bad for the Obama family, I really do - not related to the election or anything else, but with the heart and love and compassion they both seem to possess.

303 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:50pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

It is a very common thing for the seriously ill to pass away just before reaching a major milestone.

I must disagree. I find it is much more common for deaths to occur just after reaching a major milestone. Like a cancer victim struggling to stay alive just long enough to see a child born or get married, after which they're more inclined to finally "let go".

304 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:55pm

re: #300 Dave the...

I guess in the political world, ignorance is bliss.

305 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:09pm

Oh, and with the subject and tone of this thread, please don't interupt my above post as slamming Obama. Just saying those supporters of his that we all know, are fine. Not the enemy.

306 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:16pm

re: #291 calcajun

I hate to sound really morbid (I am a true glass half-empty kinda guy) but I have a gut feeling that no matter what happens tomorrow, the next POTUS won't make it to the next election. Call it a very bad feeling. Hope I'm wrong, though.

BTW, I've had two GOTV calls from camp McCain here in San Diego in the past hour.

Your mouth go God's ears. I've entertained a few such nightmare scenarios and hope against hope that there is no political violence. This country would be devastated. I truly would fear for Obama's safety as POTUS, and I truly do fear terrible riots if he loses tomorrow.

307 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:36pm

re: #300 Dave the...

At first it bugged me that these people are voting for someone they know nothing about, but after reading above posts, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that my co-workers and some friends are NOT really voting to enact socialistic policies, or remove blind justice, remove secrete ballots, etc.

Biden already warned the entire country that there will be a crisis if Obama is elected and that the people won't like what Obama will do in response to it.

Biden was admitting that Obama has fooled a lot of people.

308 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:51pm

re: #278 Charles

A comment from that Daily Kos post:

You know what? Maybe you should update your

diary with this: Little Green Footballs.

It actually warmed my heart a little. Maybe there's hope? No matter how small, it's got to start somewhere

Maybe I'm reading waaay to much into it, but that post really pisses me off. These peoples most basic feelings of human empathy even go down party lines. "Maybe there's hope"? The fact we are expressing sympathy for a woman who died of cancer means maybe there hope [for us]?. Instead of saying, hey these guys know how to act, this is a situation beyond politics, I feel sorry for desecrating Tony Snow, they say "Maybe there's hope...it's got to start somewhere." No, you can show sympathy and empathy with your enemies and still vehemently disagree; you should try it sometime.

I feel very sorry for Barack and all of his family and still feel he is a very dangerous person who will hurt myself and my country deeply. I don't think KosKids can understand how that works.

If I should flew off the deep end for a second, sorry, and I give credit to the Kossies where it's due.

309 runrabbitrun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:53pm

re: #291 calcajun

I hate to sound really morbid (I am a true glass half-empty kinda guy) but I have a gut feeling that no matter what happens tomorrow, the next POTUS won't make it to the next election.

I misunderstood your post at first - because (not to belittle your upset feelings) I also fear that if these run-ups get any more lengthy and grueling, no-one who runs for the presidency (esp. those over 60) will ever have the strength to survive the campaigns!

310 Wilderstad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:58pm

Cancer bites. I hope she had great care, much kindness, peace and comfort during her final days.

311 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:10:05pm

We all pass sooner or later, but its always hard for the people left behind. My condolences to the family.

312 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:31pm
313 johnnyreb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:36pm

re: #294 reloadingisnotahobby

Thanks!
on raising a grandson...I get to go fishing more;-)

I am waiting for mine. One son almost 30 and nothing yet! Not one single grandkid. About 18 girlfriends and nothing yet.

Can I borrow yours for a weekend in the summer? I need to get some more fishing time in.

314 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:55pm

re: #308 NC State of Mind

I have to agree. After the sheer hatred and vitriol that is posted at Daily Kos every time a conservative figure passes away, they should be ashamed to point fingers at anyone. And their approval is worthless.

315 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:12pm

I am surprised that the children were not take to see her. Maybe it would have been too shocking.

I have an aunt who raised her granddaughter. The girl had lots of drug and alcohol problems. Very beautiful girl 6 ft tall.

I have wondered why she would have allowed her husband to name her daughter "stanley." Research shows that people with extreme names for their gender often have emotional and social problems. It is hard to determine if it is the effect of having the odd name, or having the odd parents.

Now she is with her daughter and husband. RIP

316 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:15pm

re: #312 arf

Thats insane!

317 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:30pm

But having said that, Free Republic really has become something of a sewer too.

318 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:29pm

re: #281 reloadingisnotahobby

No Doubt!
I and Mrs. Loader are raising an 8 year old w/ ADHD!
He's a hand full ,but it's also caused us to re acess our
priorities.We know it will be worth it!

Michael Phleps' mom put him in swimming to help manage his ADHD energy. swimming is a great relaxer.

319 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:31pm

re: #313 johnnyreb
I'll get back to ya on that!
LOL
When is a good time!LOL

320 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:58pm

re: #300 Dave the...

I talked to Obama supporters recently, and with all do respect, they are clueless about him. I brought up several direct quotes (like what kind of judges he said he will put in place), specifics on the burdens to small business, etc.

Almost everyone said "No, he won't do any of that". And they were serious.

At first it bugged me that these people are voting for someone they know nothing about, but after reading above posts, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that my co-workers and some friends are NOT really voting to enact socialistic policies, or remove blind justice, remove secrete ballots, etc.

That also gives me hope for 2010 and 2012.

Did you guys see/hear the experiment Howard Stern did? Found that VERY enlightening...and VERY scary.

321 Tilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:23pm

How sad. May she rest in peace.

322 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:27pm

I lost my dear Mom to cancer. May Mrs. Dunham be at peace now and free of pain. My condolences to the Obama family.

323 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:47pm

That is total shit. What terrible news... Just a day or two shy of possibly seeing her grandson become President.

I might not like the man, and I certainly don't want him to win, but I wish comfort and strength to him and his family at this time... RIP.

324 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:15:07pm

re: #318 DistantThunder
Funny you say that!
When we go boating ...he'd rather be IN the water ...
!

325 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:15:47pm

My mother to cancer too. Its a horrible disease.

326 paint-right  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:04pm

re: #324 reloadingisnotahobby

Funny you say that!
When we go boating ...he'd rather be IN the water ...
!

that is too cute!

327 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:07pm

rest in peace grandmother

328 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:48pm

Seeing the human aspect of this reminds of the other high point of this election, the Alfred Smith dinner in which both candidates lightened up and showed some humor. I remember one distinct camera shot of Obama in very sincere laughter--I saw a human being. I've learned to detest his policies, and I hope like crazy he "moves to the center" a la Bill Clinton, but if he wins he will be my President. I may not like it, but I'll respect it.

329 moishe62  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:11pm

My sincerest apologies to the LGF community for my misplaced angst towards Sen. Obama in this thread. I do feel for the loss he has experienced and how such losses touch the hearts of us all. I had posted without noting the tenor of the thread and will not break such in the future. I value LGF greatly as a place to learn and air my views and regret degrading the site's classy cullture. My bad.

330 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:18pm

Condolences to Senator Obama and family.

331 AceR  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:06pm

Grandmothers are special people. God bless you, Mrs. Dunham and my condolences to the Obama and Dunham families.

332 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:24pm

From dKos...


Those folks are not very important.

...

Since they effectively destroyed the news career of Dan Rather, who was previously synonymous with "good journalism," I would have to disagree with your assessment of their importance.

Smirk worthy commentary. Good journalism indeed.

333 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:02pm

re: #309 runrabbitrun

I misunderstood your post at first - because (not to belittle your upset feelings) I also fear that if these run-ups get any more lengthy and grueling, no-one who runs for the presidency (esp. those over 60) will ever have the strength to survive the campaigns!

No, my meaning was that whoever is elected tomorrow may not survive until 2012. I am doubtful that McCain is all that spry and as for BHO, is health my not be the best either. Like him, I was two-pack-a-day guy until about 10 years ago when I started coughing up things that looked like escargot. As for the possibility of either one meeting their end through violence, it's not impossible (though highly improbable) that some far-right, white supremacist might take a shot at him. However, I feel he has a better chance of going out like William Henry Harrison, or slipping and falling in the tub than being assassinated.

334 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:50pm

re: #328 JohnAdams

Seeing the human aspect of this reminds of the other high point of this election, the Alfred Smith dinner in which both candidates lightened up and showed some humor. I remember one distinct camera shot of Obama in very sincere laughter--I saw a human being. I've learned to detest his policies, and I hope like crazy he "moves to the center" a la Bill Clinton, but if he wins he will be my President. I may not like it, but I'll respect it.

But, he has made no promise that he will do such a thing.

335 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:57pm

re: #279 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Charles, when clicking on a deleted comment to see who made it, what does this mean- "Error: This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository."? Is it different than "This user is blocked"?

I didn't see Charles answer that, but occurs when you press the "new comments" button and an already loaded comment is removed. If you reload the page you can then see who it was.

336 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:34pm

re: #328 JohnAdams

Seeing the human aspect of this reminds of the other high point of this election, the Alfred Smith dinner in which both candidates lightened up and showed some humor. I remember one distinct camera shot of Obama in very sincere laughter--I saw a human being.

When Obama got up to be humorous, he ridiculed McCain for his age.

Obama is NOT a classy person like McCain.

Joking about age only works as self-deprecating humor.

What Obama did got very little laughter (even from Democrats in the room.)

337 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:10pm

re: #332 Scion9

From dKos...

Smirk worthy commentary. Good journalism indeed.

But remember - WE are the hateful ones with no sense of decency. Keep telling yourself that, it's easy to forget and get confused sometimes.

I agree with some of the previous posts, too, that these people, while I'm sure they support Obama, are not the true base of the Dems support. I think people like this, who go out of their way to find something hurtful or spiteful or just plain cruel to say, no matter what the topic or who the audience, are on the fringe of most groups, just out there stewing in their own resentment and anger.

338 ErnieG  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:07pm

My deepest condolences to Senator Obama. This is a pain which many of us have felt and understand. The fact that we disagree in some areas can not diminish my sorrow for his loss and my wishes for his comfort.

339 KojiroVance  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:25pm

By all accounts Mrs. Dunham and her husband were very special people to step in and help to raise a grandson with an absent father.

My sincerest condolences to Mrs. Dunham's family.

340 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:42pm

re: #333 calcajun

"...I started coughing up things that looked like escargot."

Your descriptive prose is beyond eloquent, it's absolutely barf inducing!

BRAVO!

341 GeeWiz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:59pm

re: #329 moishe62

Just remember this one simple rule: when a death or near-death situation arises, politics is checked at the door. The human condition is tough enough, without us making it tougher.

342 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:29:35pm

I recently became and RN and decided to work on an oncology floor because of my wife. I see people come in that are so sick we don't get to know them before they go. It doesn't matter..politics, religion,.. it doesn't matter..the hardest part is swallowing the lump in your throat as you hug the family and tell them you are sorry..Two nites ago we had a DNR pass away and we only knew when we heard the wailing coming from the room. The wife was crying and speaking in her native language to her dead husband. I think thats part of heaven..politics stays here. Thats the way it should be..

343 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:32:37pm

Heh, more from dKos...


Can you imagine the media response If we did this to their side?

Fox News would be so full of outrage and run a story about it for days. Is "liberal" MSNBC going to even mention these Freepers?

And reasonable fair-minded moderate centrist rational calm level-headed (snark) pundits like Broder and Cokehead Roberts would talk about how disgraceful it is, even though they I'm sure won't touch the fact that freepers are doing it right now.

Really comfortable with the using the word "If" there isn't he?

From an earlier diary about Tony Snow's cancer...


Tony Snow and all the other petty minions of this abysmal thieves-band of fascists, corporatists, moneygrubbers and sadists will have no more than single line entries in the wikipedia of the future...towards the bottom...perhaps in footnotes.

How/when he dies? Grist for the mill.

Obama/Biden 08

Yes, if this kind of thing that is not likely to happen at dKos any time in the near past, it will certainly be newsworthy I'm sure.

344 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:46pm

re: #328 JohnAdams

I've learned to detest his policies, and I hope like crazy he "moves to the center" a la Bill Clinton, but if he wins he will be my President. I may not like it, but I'll respect it.

I'm very concerned about some of the statements he has made but I do think (and certainly hope) that he is going to have to move to the centre when dealing with real world issues, where the feel-good lefty rhetoric that is so good for garnering support among the democratic base is useless.

345 gatorbait  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:49pm

BLESSED IS THE DIVINE JUDGE.

346 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:50pm

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Your avatar scared the poop out of me when I was a child. Remember watching that on my grandmothers lap. Just got a little "extra" sadder.

Don't fear The Bumble.

347 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:24pm

re: #315 DistantThunder

I am surprised that the children were not take to see her. Maybe it would have been too shocking.

I have an aunt who raised her granddaughter. The girl had lots of drug and alcohol problems. Very beautiful girl 6 ft tall.

I have wondered why she would have allowed her husband to name her daughter "stanley." Research shows that people with extreme names for their gender often have emotional and social problems. It is hard to determine if it is the effect of having the odd name, or having the odd parents.

Now she is with her daughter and husband. RIP

I read in Steve Sailer's blog that it was the grandfather who always wanted a son that named the kid Stanley.

348 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:30pm
349 VioletTiger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:47pm

I am glad he got to see her one last time. RIP.

350 ErnieG  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:43pm

I have been thinking about the difference between the general tone here, and at Kos or Huffpo. As I said in my comment#338, "The fact that we disagree in some areas..." is a statement of fact. I disagree with many of the Left, and with their ideas and world view. They look at us, and at me, and at people like Tony Snow, and see not error, or disagreement, but pure evil. The Bush=Hitler business is not a wild metaphor. They truly believe that he is as evil as Adolf Hitler.

351 Tinker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:47pm

My stepdaughter had moved up her wedding date so that her future father-in-law, who was suffering from cancer, could attend as well as everyone else. He suddenly faded far faster than expected, but he rejected rescheduling the wedding for him. He thought he could make it. Sadly, he didn't.

The loss was felt at the ceremony. Yet, everyone at the wedding felt that, somehow, he was still there.

Was he a perfect human being? No, just like all of the rest of us aren't. But as far as I know, nobody ever "dissed" him or disparaged him in any way for his attitude or ideas because fundamentally he was a really good man. (And because of his influence, his son (my step-son-in-law) turned out to be a really good man.)

I just wish others treated their relatives with the same degree of respect. And didn't try to score political points off those who loved you and were care-givers when you had problems and difficulties for cheap political rhetoric.

352 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:57pm

re: #300 Dave the...

I talked to Obama supporters recently, and with all do respect, they are clueless about him. I brought up several direct quotes (like what kind of judges he said he will put in place), specifics on the burdens to small business, etc.

Almost everyone said "No, he won't do any of that". And they were serious.

At first it bugged me that these people are voting for someone they know nothing about, but after reading above posts, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that my co-workers and some friends are NOT really voting to enact socialistic policies, or remove blind justice, remove secrete ballots, etc.

That also gives me hope for 2010 and 2012.

just watched BBC news item ("Newsnight" ) - and the reporter must have ask about 8 or 9 Obama supporters why they were voting for him...

all he got was "change", with one saying "spread the wealth around". no specifics whatsoever.


hasnt America even learned the lessons of Tony Blair? he did the same thing over 10 years ago in the UK. and ended up taking the UK to war more times than any other PM in history.

353 Ceemack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:53pm

The comments on the Kos thread make interesting reading. Some want to excoriate some fairly sick posts on Free Republic and Red State, as if many of the same kinds of posts weren't made on Kos when Tony Snow passed away. The double standard is alive and well.

The other thing that stands out is how emotional some of them are about the news. Some them report going on crying jags. Others say they're sitting in their offices after hours, trying to cope with the news. One comments on how sad it all is, as Barack's family has become her family. Others thank her for raising such a...special man. He truly does have a cult of personality built up around him.

But there's a picture of Mrs. Denham hugging a young Barack Obama at some event--I surmised it was a graduation, but that's only a guess. You could see that she truly loved him.

I feel for the guy. I would have wanted to be there through the end, but the responsibilities of campaigning prevented it. That must be tough.

Some of the Koslings could use a good strong dose of perspective, but it's a shame that Mrs. Denham passed away. May she rest in peace.

354 Ceemack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:36pm

Oops. Make that "Mrs. Dunham." Sorry.

355 s1ig  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:45pm

Condolences to Senator Obama and family.

356 Daisy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:45:44pm

I recall an interview of Obama conducted by Diane Saywer. She asked about the influence his grandmother had on him. Obama attributed his work ethic to her - and then talked about how she would come home after a long day from the bank where she worked (and here he naturally struggled a bit because it was so personal) and slipped out of her girdle, put on her mumu and got herself a drink. In that moment of recall, he was with her as a boy; it was really very touching.

Well, she's slipped out of her girdle and put on that mumu for good and all.

R.I.P. Mrs. Dunham and condolences to the whole family.

357 CascadeMermaid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:46:00pm

re: #333 calcajun

If Obama does win, I will pray every day that he remains healthy until he is defeated in the next election. The only thing worse than an Obama presidency would be a Biden presidency.

358 keebler71  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:47:32pm

Condolences to his family. That said, I just saw Obama on MSNBC talking about his grandmother, how she was born in 1922 and as such lived through the depression and *two* world wars (FYI WWI ended in 1918). Of course, he'll get a pass as he did about the number of states...

359 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:18pm

re: #353 Ceemack

The comments on the Kos thread make interesting reading. Some want to excoriate some fairly sick posts on Free Republic and Red State, as if many of the same kinds of posts weren't made on Kos when Tony Snow passed away. The double standard is alive and well.

The other thing that stands out is how emotional some of them are about the news. Some them report going on crying jags. Others say they're sitting in their offices after hours, trying to cope with the news. One comments on how sad it all is, as Barack's family has become her family. Others thank her for raising such a...special man. He truly does have a cult of personality built up around him.

But there's a picture of Mrs. Denham hugging a young Barack Obama at some event--I surmised it was a graduation, but that's only a guess. You could see that she truly loved him.

I feel for the guy. I would have wanted to be there through the end, but the responsibilities of campaigning prevented it. That must be tough.

Some of the Koslings could use a good strong dose of perspective, but it's a shame that Mrs. Denham passed away. May she rest in peace.

You're so right, as was the post above saying that the dems truly see anyone who disagrees with their politics as 'evil' rather than just 'wrong.' If we don't agree with Obama's economic policies, for instance, it isn't because we dislike socialism or the fact that 'spreading the wealth' goes against everything this country was founded on - it's because we're greedy, self centered, cruel beings who want the poor to suffer and minorities to be ignored. There is no middle ground, and everything is personal - that stuff about 'sitting here trying to cope' sounds so completely insincere and disingenuous to me, I cannot believe for a second anyone is that invested in a political candidate...but sadly, I'm probably wrong. Again, though, I wonder how many people really understand what he stands for? Are these the same folks who failed the Howard Stern quiz? There's probably some overlap.

360 Knitwit  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:19pm

Condolences to the family on their loss.

361 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:22pm

re: #328 JohnAdams

but if he wins he will be my President. I may not like it, but I'll respect it.

I promise only to show him slightly more respect than has been shown to GWB the last 8 years.

362 musicman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:53:13pm

I am extremely sad to say that my "gut prediction" several days ago, before Obama went to see his grandmother, has come true. May she rest in peace and may God comfort her entire family.

363 bulwrk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:03pm

God rest her soul and condolences to the Obama family

364 kafir  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:48pm

re: #16 Charles

now compare that to how the LLL on planet Kos behave.

I know cancer, it is impacting two of my immediate family members now. I know losing grandparents. The decades that have passed don't make it any easier.

My heart goes out to the Obama children and family. May her memory bring you joy and happiness. May her guidance and wisdom be with you always. Live up to and exceed what she expected of you. Surpass any milestone.

The reason that Barak Obama is in the position he is in, is due, in no small part, to her influence. That he is being considered for the highest office by the population at large meant that earlier on, his mother, and his grandparents did what they could to keep him focused.

It is not the color of his skin that matters to me. It is the content of his character. His maternal grandparents had only passing influence on the skin color; they gave him genes through his mother. But they gave him the environment to grow his character.

Whether or not you plan to vote for him tomorrow, you have to admire him for his drive, his intelligence, and his chutzpah. His grandparents, and mother, must have been good people, even if we disagree with their politics.

My deepest condolences to the Obama's and their kin.

365 Catttt  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:16pm

My sincere condolences to the family.

Someday, we will lick cancer - no one will have to pass away from it.

366 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:45pm
367 Old Tanker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:56pm

My prayers to the Obama family. My own grandmother died of pancreatic cancer and just last month my brother's girlfriend died of breast cancer, leaving two little ones behind too. Nothing good ever comes of cancer...

368 Old Tanker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:37pm

re: #366 Old Engineer

You are too caught up in this...

369 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:44pm
370 Old Tanker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:57pm

I just went back to down ding #366...

371 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:24pm

#366: if you want to post those kinds of comments, take it to Free Republic where you'll find lots of people doing it.

It's not welcome here. I'm going to assume you didn't see the warning above:

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread, or any kind of conspiracy theory, will lose their account instantly.

This is the last time I'm going to post this warning.

372 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:17pm

May God rest her soul. It is a shame that she did not live long enough to see Mr. Obama ascend to the presidency. While I do not want him elected, it is still a great accomplishment and she should have been there at the inauguration.

373 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:09pm

My thoughts and prayers go out to Barack and his family. May they find comfort with the promise of eternal life through Christ alone.

374 Old Tanker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:18pm

re: #371 Charles

9 comments in 2 years...now I see why...nothing nice to say.

375 Christopher Luebcke  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:08:03pm

I rarely comment here, and then usually only to politely disagree (there's usually enough agreement in the comments that I don't feel the need to add mine). But I have to say, although it's already been said, that the tone of the comments on this thread is remarkable. I can't imagine anywhere else, right- or left-leaning, where, almost to a tee, all political vitriol has been dropped in favor of the expression of sympathy, and more deeply a reaffirmation of common humanity, even with those with whom we vigorously disagree. Well played, lizards.

376 spudly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:47pm

How sad that she missed the election.

My sincere condolences to the Obama and Dunham families.

377 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:01pm

re: #344 Jimmah

I'm very concerned about some of the statements he has made but I do think (and certainly hope) that he is going to have to move to the centre when dealing with real world issues, where the feel-good lefty rhetoric that is so good for garnering support among the democratic base is useless.

Recall that Tony Blair once said Israel would 'have to be dismantled.' Yet, in government, he was one of the most pro-Israel of UK PM's.

378 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:15:23pm

I feel badly for Obama. My grandfather died of cancer two decades ago; I was his pride and joy, but I had important things to do that month, so I thought, and delayed going to see him. I thought there would be time and I was wrong. Obama, win or lose, has many opportunities ahead of him, but in his heart I believe he will regret not being there when she passed. May G-d comfort him and his family for this loss.

379 Sarr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:17:00pm

Charles,

Bravo Zulu on your no nasty comment edict

380 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:17:44pm

re: #357 CascadeMermaid

If Obama does win, I will pray every day that he remains healthy until he is defeated in the next election. The only thing worse than an Obama presidency would be a Biden presidency.

BHO as a martyr is a horrible thought. But, Biden as POTUS is more like a sitcom plot than anything else. You know, Joe sort of does remind me of Maclean Stevenson.

381 Crusty  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:16pm

re: #261 Blue Eyed Music Lover

I like Sarah, but I think she will be vilified by the left and its partners in the mainstream media so badly by 2012, that she will be merely an asterisk to history.

No doubt, but then again, after 4 years of mind-boggling incompetence and corruption by Senator Government, Sarah Palin may be the perfect antidote to the buyer's remorse the independents will be feeling by then.

382 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:21:53pm

re: #375 Christopher Luebcke

I rarely comment here, and then usually only to politely disagree (there's usually enough agreement in the comments that I don't feel the need to add mine). But I have to say, although it's already been said, that the tone of the comments on this thread is remarkable. I can't imagine anywhere else, right- or left-leaning, where, almost to a tee, all political vitriol has been dropped in favor of the expression of sympathy, and more deeply a reaffirmation of common humanity, even with those with whom we vigorously disagree. Well played, lizards.

On the whole, you have a fairly mature bunch here. They know what life's about.

383 Maui Girl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:36pm

re: #365 Cattt

My sincere condolences to the family.

Someday, we will lick cancer - no one will have to pass away from it.

As long as there is money to be made from this insidious disease, you will never see a "cure" via mainstream medicine. That's why so many people are seeking out alternative methods for battling cancer. Killed my mother. Never had grandparents. Father and his brothers all died from heart disease. Aunties from Dad's side (Mom was only child) are all still alive and in late 80's and mid-90's. I hope I have my father's sisters' genes!

384 meh130  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:43pm

Clearly she was a very good woman. She was the strength of the family. I recently found out Barack's mother left Hawaii for the University of Washington right after Barack was born, and only returned two years later after Barack Sr. left Hawaii for Harvard. I assume Ann left Barack in Hawaii with Madelyn, and she raised Barack as a baby. Later Madelyn worked her butt off at Bank of Hawaii and sent Barack to the best school on the island. For all intensive purposes, she was his mother.

385 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:59pm
386 Maui Girl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:32pm

re: #372 Jetpilot1101

For those of us who believe there is life after death, his grandmother is watching, in no pain and ready to take on the role of guardian angel over his two daughters.

387 fmfnavydoc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:23pm

My condolences to the Obama family.

388 nnorb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:55pm

May G-d's comfort be upon the entire family. Prayers are lifted.

389 pete(detroit)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:35:19pm

Hell of a thing to go through, at this time.

390 Ezekiel2517  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:51:38pm

Rest in peace. You are in our prayers.

391 Clovis69  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:46pm

This sucks for Senator Obama, I too was raised by my grandmother. my father flaked out and then my mother deserted me. I did cancer from '80-'84 and she kept me alive through it.

Lost her to cancer in '02, the day the SEAL was lost on Tora Bora.

My condolences to him and his family

392 BigDog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:33pm

Rest in Perfect Peace Madelyn Dunham.

393 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:59:04pm
394 wee fury  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:03:11pm

Sincere sympathy and prayers go out to the entire family of Ms. Dunham.

395 ShanghaiRay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:05:30pm

My condolences to the family.

However, I just hope that everyone on both sides of the political spectrum remind themselves that her passing at this especially inopportune time has nothing to do with the election one way or another.

This is not the time nor place to consider the implications of of her death other than to say that its sad when anyone's loved one dies.

We all still need to focus on defeating Obama because IMHO the life and death of our own nation is at steak.

396 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:08:09pm

My condolences. I hope it will be some comfort to her beloved grandson that his devoted grandmother will be spared any further suffering.

397 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:20pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

It is a very common thing for the seriously ill to pass away just before reaching a major milestone.


My mother died October 1st before she could see George Bush no longer be President. She hated him.

398 ShanghaiRay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:28pm

Opppss...i mean "stake". Sorry its 9am here in Shanghai and I didn't have my coffee yet.

399 Born_to_lose  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:14:23pm

So, as much as I want McCain to win, there IS the possibility that Obama could of in fact taken the election. To agree with an above poster, it IS a shame, as it would be for ANY grandmother, to not make it to see the day when her grandson or granddaughter becomes the president of the US. My condolences certainly go out to the family. In fact, when I logged onto yahoo and that was the first news story I saw, I felt so bad for Obama and his family. He may make for a piss poor leader, but even still he IS human, and he DOES have a family, and it is NEVER easy to loose a loved one - especially one who had such an influential role in his upbringing. This is pretty sad... :o(

400 Inquisitive  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:27:34pm

Prayers for Mrs. Dunham's family and friends.

401 Xango Annie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:27:55pm

Her work on earth was done RIP, Mrs. Dunham...

402 Karl Popper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:28:40pm

re: #39 M. Bensson-Levi

From what I've read, she was the bedrock, and the only decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family, typical white person that she was. It's a shame that he kept her incommunicado. I would have liked to have heard what she had to say.

Rest in Peace.

So, a "typical white person" is a "decent human being," as opposed to a typical person of color?

A decent human being, unlike a typical back person that she wasn't?

The only "decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family?" Meaning Obama's mother was not a decent human being?

You express your condolences to Barack Obama by making a racist comment and insulting his mother?

403 grahamski  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:37:07pm

May she rest in peace.

404 grahamski  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:38:51pm

re: #402 Karl Popper

So, a "typical white person" is a "decent human being," as opposed to a typical person of color?

A decent human being, unlike a typical back person that she wasn't?

The only "decent human being in Obama's American branch of his family?" Meaning Obama's mother was not a decent human being?

You express your condolences to Barack Obama by making a racist comment and insulting his mother?

The poster was referring to what obama said about his own Grandmother.

405 Old Tanker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:41:31pm

re: #402 Karl Popper

Karl, did you completely miss that it was a quote from Obama? (the typical white person thing?) or that his descent mother left him to his grandmother? or his descent father left him to go back to Kenya meaning his grandmother was the "only descent person "(please see quote above) in his American branch of family. The racist comment was Barrack's own quote...

406 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:42:51pm
407 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:43:50pm
408 Randall Gross  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:47:44pm

I believe Charles said something about not posting conspiracy theories up above:

Anyone who posts a nasty comment in this thread, or any kind of conspiracy theory, will lose their account instantly.

You are still able to post, so count yourself lucky?

409 scrubjay  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:53:35pm

It is a shame that she did not get to see the result of the election. Obama acted with grace to see her before she passed away. As much as I disagree with his politics I am sad for the loss of someone he held dear. She was the most significant person in his life and I am sure that he had hope to do something that she would have been proud of.

410 Pious Agnostic  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:56:04pm

All-in-all, I'm glad Senator Obama got a chance to see his grandmother last week. And, frankly, I'm glad to know that he went -- it puts a human face on a man who has, increasingly, seemed robotic to me. I imagine his heart is breaking, and I feel for him.

411 moishe oofnik  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:57:04pm

re: #402 Karl Popper

The moment I read comment #39, I knew at least one person would read something wrong into that statement. Those were BHO's exact words when asked about his grandmother and her attitude towards black people. "She's a typical white person."

I'm glad he got to see her one last time. I was young and foolish when my grandmothers passed away, thinking that I'd have time, I had important things going on. I miss them terribly, and for the life of me can't comprehend what it was that was so important that I didn't spend more time with them. They died within a month of each other, and I never got to say good bye to my Nonna and my Savta.

I hope she was comfortable in her last moments. I am sure she was filled with pride. Though her grandson is not who I wish you Americans will elect in the coming hours, he is nothing short of remarkable. You have to be some special grandmother to raise someone like that. Heaven holds a place for people like her.

412 antipilgerite  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:08:38pm

Ugh. The death of a loved one, even when he/she has lived a long and full life, really, really sucks. I sincerely hope it was pain-free, in her sleep.

We may disagree with Obama's policies (and the blame for that lies with the radicals he unfortunately fell in with in later life, NOT with his grandmother), but I think Mrs. Dunham deserves huge kudos for not merely raising her grandson to be a success, but potentially the next president of the United States. I hope the thought was a comfort to her in her last days.

413 k80nc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:09:06pm

I lost my father to cancer in '02. I hate for anyone have to suffer from the disease or watch a loved one go through it. Even as he is poised to possibly become the most powerful man in the world, seeing someone lose the fight against cancer is the most desperately helpless feeling in the world. My sincere condolences to the family.

414 Logician  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:21:45pm

re: #4 Russkilitlover

Very sad. One day before, in all probability, her grandson will make history. RIP.

He has already made history, and regardless of the outcome of the election he will make history tomorrow. It is a great pity that she did not live to see it.

415 snowbunnybutt  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:23:38pm

I always very sad when someone passes. I think no matter what your feeling for someone is (or their family), death is a time to put it behind you and tell them you are sorry for their loss. RIP

416 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:42:44pm
417 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:44:56pm
418 buckytheinfidel  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:49:46pm

My condolences to the Obama family. I am glad that he had the chance to see her one last time before she went. My great-grandmother was a similarly wonderful woman and it meant a lot to me to be able to be able to hold her hand and kiss her cheek and tell her how much I loved her before she left.

419 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:59:10pm
420 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:03:47pm

May she be a peace and in the arms of the Lord tonight.

421 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:48pm

I am now shutting down this thread, because I'm tired of monitoring it.


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