Monday Afternoon Poll

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Mon Nov 3, 2008 at 3:06 pm PST • Views: 217

A silly Internet poll to test the temperature of the water:

LGF Poll

Who do you think will be the next President?

Votes allowed: 1
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1 CynicalConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:06pm

Temp -> Red hot

2 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:21pm

I'm afraid to jinx so I won't

3 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:07:51pm

I have never hit a poll before where I was on the side that had gathered 100% of the vote. (All three of them at the time)

4 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:03pm

Here's to a November surprise.

5 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:06pm

I will bodily drag McCain across the finish line, if that's what it takes.

6 MsSmith  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:17pm

Vote Tuesday and pray.

7 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:08:50pm
A silly Internet to test the temperature of the water

Did you mean to say: "A silly Internet Poll to test the temperature of the water" ?

8 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:28pm

Wait a minute, how can this be a valid internet poll without LuapNor?

9 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:44pm

re: #7 Ringo the Gringo

Did you mean to say: "A silly Internet Poll to test the temperature of the water" ?

Nevermind.

10 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:46pm

On the plus side, it is raining cats and dogs here in northern California right now. Let's hope this storm hits Nevada Tuesday morning and suppresses the Democratic vote.

11 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:49pm

re: #8 CyanSnowHawk

Oops, forgot /

12 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:09:59pm
13 marge45b  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:10:04pm

Pull the lever for the Man who won't be tested in office!

John McCain

14 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:10:34pm

Let not your heart be troubled. McCain/Palin 08.

15 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:10:55pm

New at zomblog:

The missing page 2 from Osawatomie issue #1

Not a big deal -- just being complete.

16 ted  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:10:59pm

I am not a very religious person, but tonight I will a prayer for The Maverick, John McCain.

17 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:06pm

RON PAUL!

18 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:23pm

Three conspicuous choices are missing, but I shall vote in your poll.

19 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:11:50pm

Why is Ron Paul not offered as a choice.

What kind of poll is this?

20 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:04pm

All I know is that America remains the land of the free and the home of the brave no matter what happens tommorow!

21 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:11pm
22 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:13pm

I liked this poll:

*I think the rich should pay more income tax
*I think the rich pay almost enough income tax

23 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:12:56pm

re: #18 smokin' hamster

Three conspicuous choices are missing, but I shall vote in your poll.

Who?

24 kpom  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:09pm

Ron Paul!

Having gotten that out of the way, I'm not going to predict - but I have hope. (Not the capitalized socialist kind of hope.)

25 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:19pm

re: #16 ted

I am not a very religious person, but tonight I will a prayer for The Maverick, John McCain.

Been prayin' up a storm.

26 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:25pm

Question:

If a candidate wins the election in November, and then dies in December before taking office, what happens?

Does the elected VP become the new president? Or does some complicated Constitutional mishigass ensue?

In other words: What are the chances of a Palin or Biden 4-year presidency?

27 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:33pm

Drudge has good sources in the McCain campaign and has a link to their internal memo on exit polling.

Good points, which Lizards should remember (although good luck with the memo's stated purpose of warning the media. I'm betting that at least one state will be called erroneously on the basis of exit polling.).

28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:13:42pm

re: #14 tommygum

LOve your vodka!

29 nikis-knight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:39pm

Honestly, I have no clue who it will be.
I certainly have a preference, though!

30 Dianna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:47pm
All the sweethearts of the world
Are out littering the bars;
And I am still avenues
From any place you are.

I didn't have anything to say, so I just thought I'd quote Whiskeytown.

31 aLohaTim  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:14:49pm

Charles
You got the hamsters ready for tomorrow? They will need EPO to keep up with the activity LGF will get Tuesday!

32 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:15:01pm

re: #16 ted

I am not a very religious person, but tonight I will a prayer for The Maverick, John McCain.

me too.
i think our prayers will be answered.

33 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:15:37pm

re: #23 MandyManners

Who?

The poll asks about Jan 21, not November 5. January is a long way away, to us midwesterners.

34 rusty_armor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:15:37pm

Funny how at the beginning of the poll, some 30% were saying Obama would win. Now with about 275 votes, the percentage to around 20%. Is there a "cone of silence" in LGF?

35 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:16pm

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul!

Yep! There's ALWAYS one of them!

/ (-:

36 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:31pm

re: #34 rusty_armor

Funny how at the beginning of the poll, some 30% were saying Obama would win. Now with about 275 votes, the percentage to around 20%. Is there a "cone of silence" in LGF?

At least the first four were for John. That is what I saw.

37 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:36pm
38 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:41pm

re: #33 smokin' hamster

The poll asks about Jan 21, not November 5. January is a long way away, to us midwesterners.

Oops, meant to say, missing are:

Joe Biden, Sarah Palin, and, of course, Ron Paul.

39 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:44pm

re: #28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOve your vodka!

How cool is that! Thanks a lot, I love all things Thompson.

Especially the brass flyin'.

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:16:58pm

Sat thru a training class today. Have another one tomorrow (already voted absentee). Today? Learned nothing. They'd ask me a question (checking for understanding) and I'd snap out of my daydream and say...

MCCAIN PALIN!

I don't think they appreciated my zeal.

41 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:07pm

re: #34 rusty_armor

Funny how at the beginning of the poll, some 30% were saying Obama would win. Now with about 275 votes, the percentage to around 20%. Is there a "cone of silence" in LGF?

Echo chamber!

42 SWPaul  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:13pm

I voted, but the result came back Buchanan!

43 Random63  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:29pm

Looking at how the media always inflates the polls in favor of the Democrats and my own informal polling of yard signs and bumper stickers, I think McCain will win. At least that is what my gut tells me. We will know soon.

Palin in 2012!

44 snowcrash  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:53pm

Doubts about Obama will surface in the voting booth. It will be closer than anyone is predicting. The msm should not "call" the battleground states until over 90% of votes are reported.

45 Bleepless  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:54pm

You forgot John Breckenridge, Henry Wallace and Ron Paul.

46 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:17:59pm

re: #34 rusty_armor

Nope, most of us are for McCain. But the voting is open to anyone. And of course, don't forget the measly eeyores. Besides everyone is taking their time to get here.

47 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:20pm

re: #43 Random63

Looking at how the media always inflates the polls in favor of the Democrats and my own informal polling of yard signs and bumper stickers, I think McCain will win. At least that is what my gut tells me. We will know soon.

Palin in 2012!

Make sure you don't wear the shirts until Nov.5.

48 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:25pm

re: #31 aLohaTim

Charles
You got the hamsters ready for tomorrow? They will need EPO to keep up with the activity LGF will get Tuesday!

If by EPO you mean a really big hamster.

I'm talkin' King Kong Bundy big!

49 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:29pm

McCain/Palin '08!

Woot!

50 Silas Blex  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:37pm

While I want McCain to win, the poll asked who I thought would win. I hope I'm proven wrong. The wailing and gnashing of teeth as the left collectively jumps off the roof (metaphorically) will be worth the having suffered through two years of endless campaigning.

51 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:43pm

Just imagine the market chaos that will ensue if there is no clear winner?

52 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:46pm

re: #32 nyc redneck

me too.
i think our prayers will be answered.

Me too.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:18:58pm

As much as I love LGF, going to take three days off after Thursday.

Unless, of course, I miss it too much to stay away.

Is there a Methadone Clinic for LGF?

54 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:02pm

What about Ralphie?

55 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:13pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sat thru a training class today. Have another one tomorrow (already voted absentee). Today? Learned nothing. They'd ask me a question (checking for understanding) and I'd snap out of my daydream and say...

MCCAIN PALIN!


I don't think they appreciated my zeal.

LOL!

Heres my trick: I stab myself in the hand with my pen over and over until the boredom subsides. Meetings can be brutal.

56 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:22pm
57 Miss Trixie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:26pm

As a Canucksicle closely following this election, I am more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

My head tells me all will be well and Johnnie Mac & Sarah will persevere in a landslide.

And my heart thumps double-time in the excitement of it all.

I wish I could vote ...

58 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:41pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As much as I love LGF, going to take three days off after Thursday.

Unless, of course, I miss it too much to stay away.

Is there a Methadone Clinic for LGF?

Disneyland worked for me.

59 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:44pm

re: #39 tommygum

How cool is that! Thanks a lot, I love all things Thompson.

Especially the brass flyin'.

But it gets really expensive, fast.

60 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:45pm

re: #34 rusty_armor

Funny how at the beginning of the poll, some 30% were saying Obama would win. Now with about 275 votes, the percentage to around 20%. Is there a "cone of silence" in LGF?

More like a "cone of sanity".

61 RubyTuesday  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:19:58pm

For those who pray, now is the time. May God send us a miracle. I'd rather go down fighting than have our country sold out and handed over to our enemies.
Vote! Pray!

62 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:24pm

re: #17 MandyManners

RON PAUL!

Don't scare me. LOL He is on the certified list of write-in candidates here in California. Of course if he takes votes away from the dems, then that's okay with me.

63 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:40pm

CHUCK BALDWIN!

(Constitution Party candidate)

64 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:43pm

Here's a POLL about "green" energy.
How many people know that you can't build
Windmills
Solar Panels
Ethanol Plants
Hydroelectric Plants
without OIL?

65 Brisco County  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:48pm

Since Republicans are under-represented in weekend polling, the polling data tomorrow will reflect Obama with a huge lead, which will magnify the shock when McCain wins.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:20:56pm

re: #61 RubyTuesday

Gosh, I wish y'all had better veggie burgers.

67 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:03pm

re: #44 snowcrash

Doubts about Obama will surface in the voting booth. It will be closer than anyone is predicting. The msm should not "call" the battleground states until over 90% of votes are reported.

yes, they tried that w/ kerry.
people need to ignore the msm completely.
just VOTE, no matter what the shills say.

68 Random63  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:12pm

re: #47 CyanSnowHawk

Make sure you don't wear the shirts until Nov.5.

I will try to supress the urge to wear the shirt tomorrow. ;)

69 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:42pm

Thanks to all fellow lizards who have cohesively carried the ball and worked their butts off together to preserve the integrity of this country's unique and great democratic electoral process during this historically unscrupulous election.
We have never lost our integrity once or sold our heartfelt beliefs in this great country The UNITED STATES of AMERICA.
Not EVER while supporting it and the principles of our FOUNDING FATHERS and McCain/Palin.
We are tired and still ever so PROUD!
HOO RAH!

70 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:42pm

re: #33 smokin' hamster

The poll asks about Jan 21, not November 5. January is a long way away, to us midwesterners.

Ah.

71 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:43pm

Charles, perhaps you could post the user name's of those who voted for Obama.
//kidding!//

72 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:21:52pm

McCain/Palin will win by a slim margin. Woo-Hoo!

73 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:00pm

A POLL !
Yipey! I was wondering when I'd get polled!
/

74 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:02pm

i can hardly believe that there are peoplewho are still undecided one works in my office,, this is what i sent to her, there are spelling errors but i was in a hurry- i don't know if it will help her but she did email back and said that my words were a very compelling argument,, (thanks charles)

hi jennifer, i promise i will get off my soap box and talk no more about this if you will just read this email and think aobut it,, i can show you many videos that can back up what i say too.
since you still have not made up your mind i IMPLORE you to vote for McCain/Palin just like me , chris, kim, debbie, jane, len, bob , trent and marrianna if she could.
all other stuff aside, which is all true, Williams Aryes and his wife Bernadine Dorn, Frank the communist mentor, the reverend Wright, ACORN, his role in the Salie mae freddy mac, thing, the flip flops the lies about campaing finance . now he says he will bankrupt the coal industry in pennsylvania and ohio/, way to get votes
Obama is a very dangerous man, not because of himself per say, but the people he surrounds himself with and the lies, he is a liar and he is a chamelon, he is a marxsist , and a socialist,,his wife evne says that 'He really does think he can do anything, just with his will and his power he can fix it) if you want Wabt to stay in business,(jane has mentioned to me there will be layoffs if it comes to that) if you want your husband to keep his job, if you don't want your hard earned money from being given to those who are "behind you" in other words lazy people who want to be on welfare their whole life and rais up a generaton to continue the tradition, if you do not want to appeas our enemies like was tried in europe, if you want supreme court justices who will not legislate from the bench but will enforce the US constitution, ..
aside from all that,, this guy has been in the US senate not quite 4 years not, for almost two of those years he has been running for president and NOT doing his job for the people he was elected to serve, when he was in the Illinois senate 8 and i said EIGHT years, he really did nothing, he voted present, which meanes he cannot take a stand one way or the other, yes he speaks well, yes he is pretty, but he is not qualified and he is not the right man for the job,
McCain and Palin are not perfect but they do really love this counrty and they are both proven reformers, they are the best choice we have to keep America as we have know it all our lives from the "change" into something that people loke marriannas grandmother and many other people who have lived in socialist and communist countries ran from, and when they ran where did they come,, they cam to the only truly free country in the world and now they can see what is happening and they are scared,,
vote McCain Palin for the future of our country,,ok , i am getting off my soap box now,, an will say no more

75 maddogg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:04pm

Zero and Plugs"s excellent adventure...not.

76 Kragar  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:08pm

You poor deluded fools. Just bow down and vote Cthulhu/Hastur and your deaths will be quick.

77 AZDave  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:12pm

I see a lot of wishful thinking. Me too.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:17pm

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul!

Mine counts more 'cause I used ALL CAPS.

79 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:18pm

What, no chance to vote for Cynthia McKinney?

/

80 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:26pm

re: #52 mama winger

Me too.

yay, {mama winger}
gmta.

81 lookout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:36pm

re: #20 NC State of Mind

Well said. Considering your avatar, you have to be an optimist. Go Wolfpack.

82 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:37pm
83 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:22:47pm

Behind closed doors, his words will ring hollow. John McCain will win.

84 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:11pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, I wish y'all had better veggie burgers.

They do suck don't they! I'd rather have Morningstar Farms in the microwave.

85 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:18pm

While all the polls seem to suggest Obama, I'm going to call it for McCain. Not just for the overweighting of Democrats in opinion polling, but rather because I... feel it in my bones.

Weird, I know. But still.

86 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:23pm

re: #58 CyanSnowHawk

Disneyland worked for me.

You'd think, but I was at Disney World, wandered into a Pooh gift shop, and saw that all the t-shirts were face-forward EXCEPT for Piglet.

I found myself wondering if piglet was hidden so as to not disturb the delicate sensibilities of ROPers. I took a pic and wondered if it were thread-worthy.

You can't get away from it.

87 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:32pm

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

Don't scare me. LOL He is on the certified list of write-in candidates here in California. Of course if he takes votes away from the dems, then that's okay with me.

Is Cynthia McKinney on the ballot, too?

88 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:34pm

re: #61 RubyTuesday

For those who pray, now is the time. May God send us a miracle. I'd rather go down fighting than have our country sold out and handed over to our enemies.
Vote! Pray!

Amen!
Nov 17th is my birthday !
You don't want to disappoint me...Do ya!

89 joncelli  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:36pm

re: #26 zombie

I think it depends on whether the electors have voted. My guess -- it is a guess -- is that Palin or Biden would take office as provided in the constitution if the electors have already voted, but it'll be up in the air otherwise. I'll have to check my copy of the constitution.

90 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:49pm

re: #5 zombie

I will bodily drag McCain across the finish line, if that's what it takes.

I just got a visual of The Fridge carrying Walter Payton across the goal line

91 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:52pm

Don't forget that Bob Barr, Richard Duncan, Brian Moore, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are on the ballot for President. How many votes do you reckon they'll suck away from the One?

92 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:23:53pm

re: #19 Ringo the Gringo

A realistic one. ;)

93 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:12pm

re: #10 zombie

On the plus side, it is raining cats and dogs here in northern California right now. Let's hope this storm hits Nevada Tuesday morning and suppresses the Democratic vote.


It takes a lot more than rain to keep the Dallas Cowboys from voting

94 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:16pm

Will BHO get any sympathy votes?

95 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:19pm

I will not be here tomorrow. I report to my polling station and will be guarding against voter fraud from 6:30 Am till they close up for the night, whenever that may be.

I am going to pack a bag full of snacks, soft drinks, my cell phone, my election book, my notebook, my Vote Fraud Hotline number and my big ol' Bible.

I have a red white and blue shirt. I am going to wear it with the biggest cross I own around my neck. I am going to wear all of my 'Support the Troops buttons.' I am going to smile and glare as much as it takes to get my polling station over the line for McCain.

Without violating any election laws of course.

I will hear no news till I get home. If McCain wins before then, somebody throw up a smoke signal and aim it towards Wisconsin.

96 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:31pm

re: #71 bosforus

Charles, perhaps you could post the user name's of those who voted for Obama.
//kidding!//


It wasn't a vote!
the question was who do you THINK will win!

97 P. Aaron  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:36pm

If you don't trust the MSM, why indulge their polling data?

P.S. Back in the Saddle by Aerosmith is THE MOST kickass rock song!

98 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:38pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Yep. She is at the top of the regular ballot.

99 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:39pm

re: #71 bosforus

Charles, perhaps you could post the user name's of those who voted for Obama.
//kidding!//

With IP addresses.

Why should Seattle newspapers have all the fun?

100 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:51pm

Silly poll. But fun. Time for the Poll Hammer:


***

Polls are BS. Ojoe's poll hammer:

1. Polls are public. There are at least 2 people present when a polling question is asked. The Ballot is private.

2. Poll questions can be worded in leading, tricky ways. The ballot is simple.

3. Polls never measure the opinions of those who refuse to answer them.

4. Polls can be used to try and influence the outcome of an election, so the motivation behind them and their reporting is suspect. The ballot is the election.

5. The polls are the responses of the 20% or less of people who answer the phones and respond to pollsters. The other 80+% of people either hang up or never answer the phone.

6. You can lie to a pollster. You cannot lie to the ballot.

7. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.

5. Only God knows the future anyway.

101 WitchDoctor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:24:59pm

Red Wine, champagne, and scotch purchased.

Red wine for tonight to calm my nerves on the eve of this whole rigamarole.

Champagne (ok sparkling wine I bought all American of course :) for McCain/Palins' victory.

Scotch to drown the sorrows if hussein wins it.

Here's hoping the scotch is saved for another day.

102 nikis-knight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:01pm

re: #44 snowcrash

Doubts about Obama will surface in the voting booth. It will be closer than anyone is predicting. The msm should not "call" the battleground states until over 90% of votes are reported.

MSM and should don't go together these days.

Advice to lizards: vote in the morning, so the inevitably exit poll onslaught doesn't discourage you.

103 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:02pm

re: #81 lookout


:) We know how to be underdogs, don't we? And my high schools mascot is a 'Darkhorse'.

104 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:13pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Is Cynthia McKinney on the ballot, too?

She's on mine. And Nadar. And Barr. And others.

105 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:14pm

re: #95 mama winger

I will not be here tomorrow. I report to my polling station and will be guarding against voter fraud from 6:30 Am till they close up for the night, whenever that may be.

I am going to pack a bag full of snacks, soft drinks, my cell phone, my election book, my notebook, my Vote Fraud Hotline number and my big ol' Bible.

I have a red white and blue shirt. I am going to wear it with the biggest cross I own around my neck. I am going to wear all of my 'Support the Troops buttons.' I am going to smile and glare as much as it takes to get my polling station over the line for McCain.

Without violating any election laws of course.

I will hear no news till I get home. If McCain wins before then, somebody throw up a smoke signal and aim it towards Wisconsin.

Bless you, mama!

106 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:22pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, I wish y'all had better veggie burgers.

FBV- My neighbor told me Burger King has excellent Veggie Burgers. Did you ever try one of those?

107 rusty_armor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:25pm

re: #91 rightymouse

Don't forget that Bob Barr, Richard Duncan, Brian Moore, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are on the ballot for President. How many votes do you reckon they'll suck away from the One?

Pundits and pollsters say about 1%

108 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:26pm

OK--who are the smart-ass 20% who voted? Show yourselves, you commie bastards.///

109 BignJames  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:29pm

re: #84 NC State of Mind

Where'd you find that fugly avatar?

110 equable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:33pm

Equable 2008!

Or something...

111 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:45pm
112 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:56pm

re: #71 bosforus

Charles, perhaps you could post the user name's of those who voted for Obama.
//kidding!//

Better yet, post their adresses and photos of their houses! /

113 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:25:57pm

I think it would be interesting to do a post-election poll - Who won the presidential race?

It would be especially interesting as Tuesday's results are all but guaranteed to be challenged in court, regardless of outcome.

114 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:00pm

re: #98 Pvt Bin Jammin

Yep. She is at the top of the regular ballot.

I bet Rosie votes for her.

115 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:00pm

Remember what McCain said?

"Don't hope for victory, work for one!"


[Link: secure.johnmccain.com...]

Do it, folks. Make calls. Don't have any regrets when the polls close tomorrow! Nobody should feel like they didn't do enough.

116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:01pm

re: #95 mama winger

Go for it, Mama!
*salute*

117 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:14pm

Huh. Robocall from Hank Williams Jr for John McAin just now. Cool.

118 jorline  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:18pm

Obama gives the finger to McCain and coal all in the same day.

IMHO Obama should sit on that finger and become a rotating headline.

119 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:26pm

Missing options:

- Don't know
- Too scared to say
- RON PAUL

As a Canucksicle closely following this election, I am more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

My head tells me all will be well and Johnnie Mac & Sarah will persevere in a landslide.

And my heart thumps double-time in the excitement of it all.

I wish I could vote ...

We got people for dat. We can haves them gives yous a call.

/vote fraud

120 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:38pm

re: #95 mama winger

You be careful, Mama Winger.

I'm the inspector for the polls here in my pricinct. Won't hear anything until late either. Hope the lizards will send me some smoke signals too.

121 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:43pm

re: #77 AZDave

I see a lot of wishful thinking. Me too.

Split personality?

122 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:26:46pm

Kragar,

You poor deluded fools. Just bow down and vote Cthulhu/Hastur and your deaths will be quick.

What is their position on gay marriage?

123 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:04pm

The man I want to win and the man I suspect will win just aren't the same guy. Sucks.

124 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:05pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As much as I love LGF, going to take three days off after Thursday.

Unless, of course, I miss it too much to stay away.

Is there a Methadone Clinic for LGF?

I am going to Gettysburg, PA for a miniatures war game convention on Thursday. WWII playing British Airborne. That should get my frustrations out I would think.

I wish it was Lancaster. I always seem to come back from there feeling a bit more refreshed and definetly feeling better about my lot in life. I love the Amish, people who leave everyone alone and live their own lives as they please. More people should be like that IMO.

Oh and the horse and buggy parking at the Walmart is classic.

125 lookout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:08pm

re: #109 BignJames

Sorry for the ding. Can I take it back, Charles?

126 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:19pm

re: #109 BignJames

I changed it from a fractal last week right after I saw yours ;)

127 The Other Les  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:25pm

re: #122 Dirk Diggler

Kragar,

What is their position on gay marriage?

Yummy!

128 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:31pm

re: #90 monkey den

I just got a visual of The Fridge carrying Walter Payton across the goal line

William "The Refrigerator" Perry, 46 y/o, is confined to a wheelchair these days. He's been real sick the last few years.

129 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:27:55pm

re: #114 MandyManners

I bet Rosie votes for her.

LOL I wouldn't be surprised.

130 Miss Trixie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:03pm

And BTW - the news media are all shamelessly gushing over an Obama "victory".

Yeesh.

TVs off, the radio's off and I've LGF and Mark Levin to keep me company.

:D

131 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:09pm

re: #95 mama winger

Thankyou in advance Mama!
You rock!

132 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:38pm

There has to be ONE channel you can watch...FNC?

133 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:41pm

re: #31 aLohaTim

Charles
You got the hamsters ready for tomorrow? They will need EPO to keep up with the activity LGF will get Tuesday!

Plus every other legal and illegal drug that enhances their power to cope with tomorrows traffic.

134 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:45pm

re: #96 reloadingisnotahobby

It wasn't a vote!
the question was who do you THINK will win!

I don't everybody's getting that...

135 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:47pm
136 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:28:48pm

re: #10 zombie

On the plus side, it is raining cats and dogs here in northern California right now. Let's hope this storm hits Nevada Tuesday morning and suppresses the Democratic vote.

Regardless of the effect on the Democratic vote, let's hope this storm brings rain to Nevada!

Unfortunately, the mountains around Vegas usually have the effect of driving any storms around Vegas. Our forecast for tomorrow? Mostly sunny, with winds up to 12 mph expected, with temperatures ranging from 47 to 69.

137 WitchDoctor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:29:05pm

Oh, and a bit off topic, but phooey on 1300 AM in Seattle for dropping the awesome lineup of Prager/Miller/Hewitt in favour of all finance all the time... the day before the election for gosh sakes. Bleah.

138 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:29:25pm

re: #95 mama winger
Wear comfortable shoes Mama Winger and keep em honest and in line!

139 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:29:57pm

re: #86 Silhouette

You'd think, but I was at Disney World, wandered into a Pooh gift shop, and saw that all the t-shirts were face-forward EXCEPT for Piglet.

I found myself wondering if piglet was hidden so as to not disturb the delicate sensibilities of ROPers. I took a pic and wondered if it were thread-worthy.

You can't get away from it.

I spent three days there with the family. Oct. 25, 26, 27. I only saw four people inconsiderate enough to wear campaign T-Shirts (guess who they supported?) at the Happiest Place On Earth.

I try not to read too much into the way that souvenir stores are stocked when I am looking for PC shenanigans.

140 opnion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:30:05pm

During the primaries Obama always looked stronger in polls against Hillary than the actual vote.
About 14% of potential voters are still undecided. I believe that this has always been a referendum on Obama with McCain as the default candidate.
I have to believe that the undecideds have problems with Obama & should break for McCain.
I am looking for HOPE, but not with you know , that other guy.

141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:30:31pm

re: #97 P. Aaron

If you don't trust the MSM, why indulge their polling data?

P.S. Back in the Saddle by Aerosmith is THE MOST kickass rock song!

And Joe Perry is a life-long Republican and McCain supporter. When he was asked if McCain was too old, he said no way, his mom is in her 80's and still does aerobics!

142 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:30:36pm

re: #101 WitchDoctor

Scotch to drown the sorrows if hussein wins it.

Don't forget, society can disintegrate in 20 minutes. Be careful with the scotch.

143 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:30:48pm

re: #138 notutopia

Wear comfortable shoes Mama Winger and keep em honest and in line!

I will ! - And I am bringing my own comfy chair too!

144 wtc394  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:03pm

In a much more scientific poll, 14 out of 17 3rd graders in a school in south/central NJ voted for McCain today. That, IMHO is a good sign.

145 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:04pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

*whack*

146 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:06pm

re: #124 JohnnyReb

Lancaster is a great place[so is G-burg] But people that move here from out of the county tend to think we are "stuck up" since we do keep to ourselves

147 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:11pm

re: #100 Ojoe

7. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.

All of your excellent reasons are very familiar to me, as I have spelled them out repeatedly myself! But that #7 is a good one which I hadn't thought of -- answering a poll requires almost no effort, but going to vote does take effort. And that alone will disqualify all the couch potatoes who just can't pry themselves away from The Oprah Winfrey Show and Wheel of Fortune.

Great point!

148 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:25pm

miss trixi i wish you could vote too, we need all the help we can get

lchoure: #57 Miss Trixie

As a Canucksicle closely following this election, I am more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

My head tells me all will be well and Johnnie Mac & Sarah will persevere in a landslide.

And my heart thumps double-time in the excitement of it all.

I wish I could vote ...

149 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:35pm

re: #143 mama winger

What about a weapon cane?

150 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:40pm

re: #130 Miss Trixie

Same here. About the only two mediums I can handle now. I've listened to the clip of the lady leaving the Obama rally Levin played Friday ten times today:

"This was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. It is just so comforting to know that I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car anymore. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

I mean, what can you really say to that?

151 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:31:40pm

78% McCain, 21% Obama...I bet if this were a KOS poll two things would happen...1. the numbers would be reversed...2. it would then be added to CNNs "poll of polls" calculations

152 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:32:35pm
153 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:32:57pm

re: #140 opnion

During the primaries Obama always looked stronger in polls against Hillary than the actual vote.
About 14% of potential voters are still undecided. I believe that this has always been a referendum on Obama with McCain as the default candidate.
I have to believe that the undecideds have problems with Obama & should break for McCain.
I am looking for HOPE, but not with you know , that other guy.

They were talking about this on FOX earlier, especially how some polls in the Dem primaries showed 0bama as far as 10% ahead in some states that were won by Hillary.

154 Basho  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:01pm
Time and time again, my country has saved my life and I owe her more than she has ever owed me. I have chosen to show my gratitude through a life of service to our country and tomorrow, you will have a choice before you.

I humbly ask you to make the choice that will allow me to serve my country a little while longer by casting your vote to elect me as your next President of the United States.

Finally, I ask that you never forget that much has been sacrificed to protect our right to vote. We must never forget those Americans who, with their courage, with their sacrifice, and with their lives, have protected our freedom. It is my great hope that you will exercise your right to vote as an American tomorrow.

-John McCain

My heart will just break if he doesn't win...

155 NelsFree  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:05pm

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Poll!

156 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:05pm

re: #26 zombie

Question:

If a candidate wins the election in November, and then dies in December before taking office, what happens?

Does the elected VP become the new president? Or does some complicated Constitutional mishigass ensue?

In other words: What are the chances of a Palin or Biden 4-year presidency?

The election of the president actually occurs on December 15th of this year. We only elect those who elect the president tomorrow, thus should the candidate die before that date he simply wouldn't be eligible and the electors would have to choose someone else (I presume they would pick the VP, but they don't have to). Should the death occur after that, I would presume the vice president would become the next president, but I'm not sure. It's never happened, and I don't know if there is any procedure set to handle that.

157 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:26pm

re: #133 callahan23

Plus every other legal and illegal drug that enhances their power to cope with tomorrows traffic.

Actually, i should change my name to hamster quit smokin' now that you mention it.

158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:26pm

re: #144 wtc394

In a much more scientific poll, 14 out of 17 3rd graders in a school in south/central NJ voted for McCain today. That, IMHO is a good sign.

In New Jersey that most likely means they've got more brains and common sense than their parents.

159 whiterasta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:39pm

I think The Chosen One will win.

Lord, let me be wrong. Obama sounds just like Michael Manley.

160 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:45pm

re: #95 mama winger

Good on ya, Mama.

161 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:54pm

re: #100 Ojoe

7. Polls come to you. You have to get up off your ass to vote.

My Obama-voting aunt said she wouldn't got vote if it was too chilly.

162 WitchDoctor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:54pm

re: #124 JohnnyReb

Cool. Good luck! (Arnhem I assume :) Enjoyed Origins this year myself.

163 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:55pm

re: #95 mama winger

I will not be here tomorrow. I report to my polling station and will be guarding against voter fraud from 6:30 Am till they close up for the night, whenever that may be.

I am going to pack a bag full of snacks, soft drinks, my cell phone, my election book, my notebook, my Vote Fraud Hotline number and my big ol' Bible.

I have a red white and blue shirt. I am going to wear it with the biggest cross I own around my neck. I am going to wear all of my 'Support the Troops buttons.' I am going to smile and glare as much as it takes to get my polling station over the line for McCain.

Without violating any election laws of course.

I will hear no news till I get home. If McCain wins before then, somebody throw up a smoke signal and aim it towards Wisconsin.

Okay, the smoke signal will have a large M in the middle of it!
Thank you for your service to your community!

164 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:33:59pm

re: #149 MandyManners

What about a weapon cane?

I decided that the cane was too much.

Actually my daughter decided. She said I should try not to look nutty.

165 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:34:18pm

re: #134 Cognito

I don't everybody's getting that...

One in the same.

McCain will will. Personally I don't think there is much doubt, but the quiters and Eyores can go on with their pessimism, it is probably a good defense mechanism for them. I think all the signs, to include the lower polling numbers for Obama all indicate a McCain win.

166 RubyTuesday  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:34:25pm

I'll do my part all day long tomorrow and stay off LGF. Actually I have no choice, road trip for work. But I'll be trying to wedge in when I get home!Voted Friday, emailed all those who might still be undecided. Nothing left to do but pray the prayers.

167 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:34:28pm

So far, there's 213 Kool-Aid drinkers or eeyores.

168 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:12pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Will BHO get any sympathy votes?

i thought of that briefly.
he will get no sympathy votes he isn't already getting.
no one who isn't already voting for him will change their minds.
he doesn't invite sympathy.
he is too cold, cynical, aloof.

169 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:19pm

re: #88 reloadingisnotahobby

My Obama-voting aunt said she wouldn't got vote if it was too chilly.

now that's conviction! :)

170 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:26pm

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Wow John Cleese was so young.
Ah, I'm just getting so old...

171 Wilderstad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:30pm

I'm crossing my fingers and toes, and thinking positive thoughts all directed to a McCain's win. Obama would not only be a disaster for the U.S.A, but with his stance on NAFTA a nightmare for Canada as well.

172 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:39pm

re: #144 wtc394

In a much more scientific poll, 14 out of 17 3rd graders in a school in south/central NJ voted for McCain today. That, IMHO is a good sign.

In Nickelodeon's "Kid's Pick the President", 0bama beat McCain by 2%.

Strangely enough, that's also a good sign for McCain, as when they did this in 2004, Kerry won by 17%.

It's also funny that Kerry should've won such a poll by so much more than 0bama. Isn't 0bama supposed to be much farther ahead than that?

173 Jason X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:40pm

I was going to give it to McCain but with Obama's grandmother's death, the media is going to show Obama in the most sympathetic light tonight. You won't hear anything about coal or middle fingers. It's going to get him votes.

174 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:48pm

re: #146 Shakey Jakey

Lancaster is a great place[so is G-burg] But people that move here from out of the county tend to think we are "stuck up" since we do keep to ourselves

Honestly I have never seen that. And I have been going there for about 15 years for the Historicon wargamers convention. Me and the wife both love it. I guess we dont do the tourist thingy. We just go out and chat with people and shop. IMO the most friendly people that we have seen. But we have spent the past 15 years in New England where you dont get a "thank you" when you go to the store and buy something here.

I spent a nice few hours chatting a few years ago with an Amish BBQ guy. We both were passionate about BBQ and we shared cooking secrets.

175 whiterasta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:35:57pm

re: #167 Cartman

Dude, how dare you question the Great CNN?

Off with your head!

176 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:10pm

re: #156 Lee Coller

Should the death occur after that, I would presume the vice president would become the next president, but I'm not sure. It's never happened, and I don't know if there is any procedure set to handle that.

I believe then Alexander Haig is the president.

/obscure reference alert

177 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:13pm

re: #164 mama winger

I decided that the cane was too much.

Actually my daughter decided. She said I should try not to look nutty.

So, you're leaving the tin-foil hat and 3-D glasses at home?

178 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:35pm

re: #165 Outrider

One in the same.

McCain will will. Personally I don't think there is much doubt, but the quiters and Eyores can go on with their pessimism, it is probably a good defense mechanism for them. I think all the signs, to include the lower polling numbers for Obama all indicate a McCain win.

Um, no, they're not one and the same. I'd like to see my local football team win the Super Bowl. But I suspect one of the league leaders will win it.

See the difference?

179 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:46pm

re: #173 Jason X

I was going to give it to McCain but with Obama's grandmother's death, the media is going to show Obama in the most sympathetic light tonight. You won't hear anything about coal or middle fingers. It's going to get him votes.

And that's a change from when?

180 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:48pm

re: #95 mama winger

Good luck, mama! I'll be starting at 6 am, but my shift ends at two - family birthday to celebrate, election or no election.

Wonder if I can get a Dallas Mavericks jersey somewhere tonight?///

181 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:49pm

re: #176 Silhouette

I believe then Alexander Haig is the president.

/obscure reference alert

I'm old enough to remember that, I thought he was just in charge.

182 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:36:56pm

re: #168 nyc redneck

i thought of that briefly.
he will get no sympathy votes he isn't already getting.
no one who isn't already voting for him will change their minds.
he doesn't invite sympathy.
he is too cold, cynical, aloof.

To us but, could it affect those on the fence?

183 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:02pm

re: #166 RubyTuesday

Nothing left to do but pray the prayers.

I honestly believe that is the absolute best weapon right now. No lie.

Prayer changes things. Many are praying right now for the mighty hand of God to intervene in this election and continue to bless our country with freedom.

184 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:03pm

re: #156 Lee Coller

I had forgotten the electoral college didn't vote until December. This is grasping at straws, but assuming Obama wins, there will be a month for something extremely damning to come out before it is written in stone.

With all the false race tension created by the media though, there would be no telling what could happen in that case.

185 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:11pm

re: #169 monkey den

Wrong reply monkey...LOL!
Besides my Obama voting aunt is locked up in the basement!
Ssshhh don't tell anyone! K?

186 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:15pm

Grandmothers death or no grandmothers death; McCain will win. Don't fool with people's money.

187 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:23pm

What is a good site for actual vote count tabulations?

188 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:28pm

i "feel" it will be a landslide or at least a small hill
McCain/Palin 08

rre: #85 ClosetConservative

While all the polls seem to suggest Obama, I'm going to call it for McCain. Not just for the overweighting of Democrats in opinion polling, but rather because I... feel it in my bones.

Weird, I know. But still.

189 Muadib  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:29pm

re: #6 MsSmith

Vote Tuesday and pray.

And remember, 0bama supporters vote Wednesday!

190 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:29pm

re: #176 Silhouette

I believe then Alexander Haig is the president.

/obscure reference alert

LOL!

191 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:36pm
My Obama-voting aunt said she wouldn't got vote if it was too chilly.

Hope she doesn't want to use coal to warm up.

173 Jason

I was going to give it to McCain but with Obama's grandmother's death, the media is going to show Obama in the most sympathetic light tonight. You won't hear anything about coal or middle fingers. It's going to get him votes.

Perhaps the election won't be so close that a few hundred voters in a few key states may change their votes, but that is a good point.

192 wtc394  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:51pm

re: #158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I would buy that however other anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. 2004 it was a 4:1 margin of Kerry over Bush signs in my neighborhood. As of today ZERO Obama signs.

193 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:53pm

re: #156 Lee Coller

The election of the president actually occurs on December 15th of this year. We only elect those who elect the president tomorrow, thus should the candidate die before that date he simply wouldn't be eligible and the electors would have to choose someone else (I presume they would pick the VP, but they don't have to). Should the death occur after that, I would presume the vice president would become the next president, but I'm not sure. It's never happened, and I don't know if there is any procedure set to handle that.

Fun facts about the electoral college:

• After the election, the electors, selected by their respective states in numerous ways, will meet on December 15 to officially cast their votes. It is this vote that will actually be reported to Congress, and determine the president. Your vote on election day only determines the candidate your state's electors are pledged to vote for.

• There is no federal law requiring electors to vote for the candidate to which they're pledged. If an elector votes for a candidate other than the one they've pledged to vote for, they're deemed a "faithless elector". Only 24 states have laws punishing faithless electors. Only 1 state, Michigan, actually nullifies the vote of the faithless elector. (Technically speaking, the popular vote could be split 50/50 between the democratic and republican candidates, but if 270 or more electors decide they're going to be faithless electors in favor of, say, Bob Barr, then he would win the presidency.)

• The electoral college actually votes separately for president and vice-president. Again, technically speaking, this means it is possible to have, say, an Obama/Palin administration, or a McCain/Biden administration. Due to the number of electors this would require, and the resulting outcry, this is highly unlikely.

• Due to one faithless elector, in 2004, democratic vice-presidential candidate John Edwards actually recieved 1 Minnesotan electoral vote for president. It is believed that this was an error, especially as all of Minnesota's 2004 electoral votes for vice-president went to John Edwards, but since it's a secret ballot, we'll never know who cast the vote. Who knows? Maybe 1 Minnesotan was optimistic about John Edwards winning and being his own vice-president.

• In 1984, one Illinois elector, who was pledged to vote for Reagan as president and George H.W. Bush as vice president, cast their vote for Reagan for president as pledged, but then cast their electoral vote for Geraldine Ferraro (Walter Mondale's democratic vice-presidential running mate) as Vice-President. Due to the confusion this caused, the ballot was re-taken, and Bush won Illinois unanimously for vice-president in this one. If they had left it as it originally was, Ferraro would've had more electoral votes than Mondale!

194 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:37:59pm

re: #177 MandyManners

So, you're leaving the tin-foil hat and 3-D glasses at home?

Just the glasses. Hat goes with me.

195 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:08pm

re: #183 mama winger

I honestly believe that is the absolute best weapon right now. No lie.

Prayer changes things. Many are praying right now for the mighty hand of God to intervene in this election and continue to bless our country with freedom.

AMEN!

196 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:12pm

re: #124 JohnnyReb

I am going to Gettysburg, PA for a miniatures war game convention on Thursday. WWII playing British Airborne. That should get my frustrations out I would think.

I wish it was Lancaster. I always seem to come back from there feeling a bit more refreshed and definetly feeling better about my lot in life. I love the Amish, people who leave everyone alone and live their own lives as they please. More people should be like that IMO.

Oh and the horse and buggy parking at the Walmart is classic.

What rules set you using? Haven't played microarmor in years.

197 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:16pm
198 Aye Pod  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:24pm

re: #167 Cartman

So far, there's 213 Kool-Aid drinkers or eeyores.

Or realists. Tomorrow will decide.

199 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:25pm

re: #172 gmsc

In Nickelodeon's "Kid's Pick the President", 0bama beat McCain by 2%.

Strangely enough, that's also a good sign for McCain, as when they did this in 2004, Kerry won by 17%.

It's also funny that Kerry should've won such a poll by so much more than 0bama. Isn't 0bama supposed to be much farther ahead than that?

it only goes to show that 3rd graders are inherently racists (just thought I'd beat the Obama supporters to the punch)

200 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:34pm

re: #174 JohnnyReb

Dude!
I love Penn ...So much history you have to swat it from your face!

201 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:41pm

re: #187 legalpad

What is a good site for actual vote count tabulations?

History books.

202 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:51pm

re: #140 opnion

During the primaries Obama always looked stronger in polls against Hillary than the actual vote.
About 14% of potential voters are still undecided. I believe that this has always been a referendum on Obama with McCain as the default candidate.
I have to believe that the undecideds have problems with Obama & should break for McCain.
I am looking for HOPE, but not with you know , that other guy.

Texas Obma was up huge - and lost to hillary

203 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:38:57pm

re: #167 Cartman

So far, there's 213 Kool-Aid drinkers or eeyores.

What does that mean? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

I'd like very much to win a million dollars playing the McDonald's scratch-off game, but I don't expect I will.

It's just math.

So on a much lower ratio of odds, I'd like very much for John McCain to win tomorrow. But I expect -- just paying attention -- that Barack Obama will win.

204 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:19pm

re: #191 Dave the...

Hope she doesn't want to use coal to warm up.

She's a coal-miner's widow.

All her heat, and food, and clothing, and everything comes from coal.

205 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:23pm

re: #157 smokin' hamster

Actually, i should change my name to hamster quit smokin' now that you mention it.

Depends on what ya smokin'
;-)

206 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:30pm
BAGHDAD — Iraq has decided to sell Saddam Hussein's luxury yacht after winning a legal dispute over its ownership.

The former dictator's 269-foot superyacht is fitted with swimming pools, salons, a secret passage and a rocket launching system.

I must have it. think 10K is enough of a down? I'm sure if I vote Obama he'll force a bank to lend to me. he'll make the payments and buy the gas too.
perfect vessel for pirate radio station if fairness doctrine is imposed

207 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:45pm

re: #185 reloadingisnotahobby

Wrong reply monkey...LOL!
Besides my Obama voting aunt is locked up in the basement!
Ssshhh don't tell anyone! K?

Doh! You're right. Was trying to trim down the reply.

Your secret is safe with me.

208 Luigi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:45pm

I heard on the five o'clock news that BHO grandma died. They slipped it in that she died at 8am, and it was announced at the end of the day. So, he got in a full day campaigning as if nothing was wrong before they decided to announce it at a strategically advantageous time. Even this he cannot bring himself to tell the truth about.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Dunham passed away peacefully at her home shortly before midnight Sunday night (5 a.m. ET), campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki told CNN. She said Obama learned of her death around 8 a.m.
209 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:50pm

I honestly believe this coal and energy thing will do the trick. People may not care if Obama is a racist, or that he hangs around with terrorists, or that he wants to turn this country into a communist state.

But dadgummit don't raise their electric bill.

210 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:51pm

Anyone read the Plumber link from NRO - Corner? Great story on what a couple of successful plumbers say about Obama's plans.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

211 opnion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:39:53pm

Ya know the guy across the street from me has three Obama yard signs.
This is the same guy who put wanted posters on tres on the 4th of July,for the Founding Fathers for terrorism. Charming guy, we just don't get along.
If Barry wins , I just know that he will leave those frickin signs up for another .month

212 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:00pm

re: #31 aLohaTim

Charles
You got the hamsters ready for tomorrow? They will need EPO to keep up with the activity LGF will get Tuesday!

EPO takes several days to have any effect... i'd suggest crack made from pharmaceutical grade cocaine. %-)

213 NC State of Mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:07pm

re: #193 gmsc

One of Albert's voters from DC abstained in 2000 to protest the fact they have no representation in congress. He got 266 instead of 267.

214 Gitarzan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:17pm

re: #97 P. Aaron

If you don't trust the MSM, why indulge their polling data?

P.S. Back in the Saddle by Aerosmith is THE MOST kickass rock song!

As far as Aerosmith goes, I'm partial to Eat the Rich (and most of the Get A Grip album) myself...kickass guitar work by Perry.

215 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:19pm

re: #76 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You poor deluded fools. Just bow down and vote Cthulhu/Hastur and your deaths will be quick.

"Cthulhu saves our souls and trades them in later for valuable prizes!"

216 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:22pm

re: #199 Boolz

it only goes to show that 3rd graders are inherently racists (just thought I'd beat the Obama supporters to the punch)

Well, it only shows that 49% of them are racist. After all, if the other 51% voted for 0bama, they're sexist, not racist.

217 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:34pm

re: #201 gmsc

History books.

lol -Yeah, great.

218 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:46pm

re: #184 NC State of Mind

I had forgotten the electoral college didn't vote until December. This is grasping at straws, but assuming Obama wins, there will be a month for something extremely damning to come out before it is written in stone.

With all the false race tension created by the media though, there would be no telling what could happen in that case.

There was some speculation in 1976 after the November election that enough of the electoral college might shift to Ford. Didn't happen, didn't happen in 2000 (when it would only have taken three votes to switch). The fact is that electors are all partisans, elected at their respective party's state conventions. At best, if Obama did something really extreme (and it would have to be really extreme) it would be another democrat (hopefully not Biden).

219 Geepers  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:40:49pm

Ozark Mountain Daredevil (#158),

re: #144 wtc394

In a much more scientific poll, 14 out of 17 3rd graders in a school in south/central NJ voted for McCain today. That, IMHO is a good sign.

In New Jersey that most likely means they've got more brains and common sense than their parents.

Actually it means that New Jersey 3rd graders are overwhelmingly racists.

220 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:01pm

re: #192 wtc394

I would buy that however other anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. 2004 it was a 4:1 margin of Kerry over Bush signs in my neighborhood. As of today ZERO Obama signs.

same here. Obama signs at a house hear and there. mostly at empty houses for sale.

221 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:19pm

i will agree with you here because i just talked to one of my judge clients, she is in NJ and when she asked if i was voting for McCain, and i said yes, then went into how i have been working the campaing and all, she becaue very quiet

ore: #158 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

In New Jersey that most likely means they've got more brains and common sense than their parents.

222 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:31pm

re: #209 mama winger

But dadgummit don't raise their electric bill.

Bingo! What hurts the average person more than that?

223 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:39pm

re: #195 outsidephilly

AMEN!

One poster hear said that his Obama supporting girlfriend went to vote and couldn't bring herself to vote for Obama - too much of a risk. She voted for McCain. Those are the people I am praying for.

My father and his co-workers are all Reagan democrats - and the lot of them - about 10, are all voting for McCain.

224 J.S.  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:41:39pm

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

You've gotta be kidding...(have to add that one to my list...the list of the "known Unknowns...")

225 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:42:19pm

re: #221 bcgirl

Jersey is crawling with moonbats.

226 timinnc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:42:34pm

We Don't Know Obama - On PBS, 10-30-08 Charlie Rose & Tom Brokaw.

227 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:01pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

NJ is nothing. I'm in Massachusetts!

228 Shakey Jakey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:08pm

re: #174 JohnnyReb
It is changing-I tend to talk to the people I meet when I go out and everyone does say please and thank you.{i know I made sure my kids did and I know they taught their kids}

229 RurouniKenshin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:09pm

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

230 Luigi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:14pm

RE: my 208

My condolences to the family.

231 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:18pm

A good overview of how Obama's taxes and regulations will impact a business owner.

232 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:25pm

re: #209 mama winger

But dadgummit don't raise skyrocket their electric bill.

Let's not mince words.

;-)

233 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:29pm

re: #226 timinnc

We Don't Know Obama - On PBS, 10-30-08 Charlie Rose & Tom Brokaw.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

gee, you think you could have found out something about him in 2 years?

234 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:29pm

I was watching the 5 pm (CST) Fox Report with Brit Hume. The lead story was Major Garrett reporting from the Obama campaign. I SWEAR I heard Major quote Obama, in reference to the polls and Bob Dylan, "You don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing."

I'm serious as a heart attack. The very freaking nerve of that filthy stinking communist.

Holy SHIT!

235 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:31pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As much as I love LGF, going to take three days off after Thursday.

Unless, of course, I miss it too much to stay away.

Is there a Methadone Clinic for LGF?

Its called re-education camp happy.

236 Basho  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:33pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

Jersey is crawling with moonbats.

Infected is more accurate...

237 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:43:51pm
238 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:14pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

but she represents everything I detest about the Right.

Nice to meetcha. I am Sarah Palin.

:)

239 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:15pm

re: #147 zombie

Thanks, O famous and unknown Zombie.

BBL

240 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:16pm

re: #178 Cognito

Um, no, they're not one and the same. I'd like to see my local football team win the Super Bowl. But I suspect one of the league leaders will win it.

See the difference?

Yeah, I know the difference. The problem was in my phraseology. I was going for the people giving up and handing Obama a victory that at that point they are one and the same.

When people are negative and present a losing frame of mind, other people wonder why they should, in this case, vote McCain if even his supporters feel he is going to lose. If a person has no faith in their candidates or parties ability to win the race-then just back then hell out and join the opposition party as that person is now a liability. Fence sitters will just look at the negativity on one side and vote for the other.

The military has understood this for many years.

241 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:17pm
242 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:31pm

re: #110 equable

Equable 2008!

Or something...

Here's hoping for a large and loud Mac/Sarah "BLAMMO" on O/Plugs tomorrow!

243 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:34pm

re: #232 Silhouette

Let's not mince words.

;-)

exactly

244 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:36pm

re: #96 reloadingisnotahobby

Even better, reveal the unfaithful dissenters!
//again, kidding//

245 wiffersnapper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:53pm

RON PAUL!

246 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:56pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

Out of control in NJ. As I've said before, they still got their Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers on. I only hope to see them driving around 4 years from now with Obama/Biden in the same fashion (as a bunch of losers).

247 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:44:58pm

re: #196 brickthruplateglasswindow

What rules set you using? Haven't played microarmor in years.

We play Flames of War from Battlefront. 15mm and expensive at that scale, but IMO the best set of WWII land battle rules on the market, and I have been gaming WWII since about 1979. It can work in the micro armor scale if you fudge the measurements from inches to centimeters and play on a smaller board.

248 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:45:13pm

re: #238 mama winger

Nice to meetcha. I am Sarah Palin.

:)

Mebbe you two should sit on opposite sides of the room? :)

249 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:45:25pm

There will be riots.

250 opnion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:45:31pm

re: #202 DistantThunder

Texas Obma was up huge - and lost to hillary

I do hope that the trend contiues & he polls higher than the votes, especially the battleground ststes.

251 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:45:32pm

re: #213 NC State of Mind

One of Albert's voters from DC abstained in 2000 to protest the fact they have no representation in congress. He got 266 instead of 267.

That was Barbara Lett-Simmons (it wasn't hard to narrow it down).

One of my favorites was West Virginia's Margaret Leach in the 1988 election. She cast her electoral vote for Lloyd Bentsen as President and Michael Dukakis as Vice-President. It wasn't corrected, and stands in the official count.

252 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:46:11pm

re: #101 WitchDoctor

Red Wine, champagne, and scotch purchased.

Red wine for tonight to calm my nerves on the eve of this whole rigamarole.

Champagne (ok sparkling wine I bought all American of course :) for McCain/Palins' victory.

Scotch to drown the sorrows if hussein wins it.

Here's hoping the scotch is saved for another day.

excellent,
your bases are covered.
red wine and champagne will do it.
put the scotch away :)

253 musicman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:46:18pm

Remember my prediction...
I've been busy doing some audio recording and just found out about Obama's G-ma passing.

That was my prediction, that she would die before the election.

That is why I didn't want to even give anyone a hint about it.

254 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:46:31pm

re: #157 smokin' hamster

Actually, i should change my name to hamster quit smokin' now that you mention it.

That depends... a nick like "smokin' hamster" could also refer to someone who's burnin' up the road, or who's really hot (a happenin' person).

255 zenren  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:47:22pm

Hi lizards! Just worked a full day at the campaign and I wanted to let you all know that things are going great! The victory center I was at was fully staffed on the phone banks all day and it looks like it will be fully staffed for the rest of the night. We also dropped tons of literature today. Please keep doing calls from home if you can. The internal polls are starting to look really good! Keep the faith and above all else, MAKE SURE THAT YOU VOTE!

256 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:47:34pm

re: #253 musicman

Okay, now predict who will win this election.

257 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:47:46pm

re: #216 gmsc

Well, it only shows that 49% of them are racist. After all, if the other 51% voted for 0bama, they're sexist, not racist.

NCAAP boycott of elementary school in 5...4...3...

258 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:47:50pm

re: #203 Cognito

What does that mean? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

You're a fuckin' horse's ass. You always have been one, and you always will be one. Piss off.

259 FightingBack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:05pm

re: #150 NC State of Mind

Notice that she said "Mortgage," not "my Rent." So she walks away with equity.

260 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:19pm

re: #258 Cartman

I love you Cartman.

261 Ceemack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:21pm

Kind of ironic to be somebody who has derided the "undecided" people in the polls, but is now depending on them...

262 smokin' hamster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:36pm

re: #254 NomadOfNorad

That depends... a nick like "smokin' hamster" could also refer to someone who's burnin' up the road, or who's really hot (a happenin' person).

I honestly can't remember where that came from, but it was in reference to something Charles posted. Hamsters taking a smoke break, or smoking up the wheels with a busy server.

263 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:41pm

re: #258 Cartman

You're a fuckin' horse's ass. You always have been one, and you always will be one. Piss off.

Name-calling: Easier than conversation.

264 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:46pm

Another good Hanson article.

Comparing us to what?

265 RurouniKenshin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:51pm

re: #238 mama winger

Nice to meetcha. I am Sarah Palin.

:)


Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

266 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:59pm

re: #182 MandyManners

To us but, could it affect those on the fence?

i really doubt it. he did not seem at all close to her.

267 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:48:59pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

i'm a center right atheist too.

you should learn to be more tolerant of our religious friends.

they'll be the first ones to help you out, should the Obama Civilian Security Force come knocking at the door to take your guns away.

268 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:49:08pm

May I wear my McCain/Palin T shirt to the polling place or is that considered electioneering?

And what about those two big billboards I plan to lean on my car? I plan to park a number of blocks away...

269 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:49:13pm

sorry then if obama does get elected then don't bother to complain about ANYTHING, you are part of the problem if you cannot even make a decison that is this important,, you should just say you have NO concience
re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

270 musicman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:49:28pm

re: #256 notutopia

Okay, now predict who will win this election.

That I have no answer for. I will leave that up to God's sovereignty!

271 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:49:35pm

re: #186 NYCHardhat

Don't fool with people's money.

BINGO!

272 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:49:52pm

New at zomblog:

Most ineffective Obama bumper sticker of the campaign

At first glance, it’s a pro-McCain sticker. Or is it? Seen from a distance on the freeway, or glanced at in passing, all you’d notice is a picture of McCain and a call for more of the same with McCain (or “MCcain” in this case), presumably showing their approval of a continued Republican administration. Only by squinting at the fine print will you realize that the message is sarcastic, and the owner of the car is actually mocking McCain and promoting Obama. But who can even read print that small while driving at 60 miles per hour?

For these reasons, I nominate this as the “Most ineffective Obama bumper sticker of the campaign.”

As a side note: This is the first time in history I have ever posted TWO new zombietime postings during the span of a single thread on LGF! Generally, Charles posts 10 threads a day, and I post maybe two threads a month. This time, I posted two threads within a single hour, while the same LGF thread remained current!

273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:01pm

Good golly more threads smelling of trolling... what's going on?

/Oh yeah, I forgot, Obama's getting desperate.

274 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:09pm

re: #238 mama winger

Nice to meetcha. I am Sarah Palin.

:)

You betcha!

275 J.S.  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:19pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Why you! I've been punked! (actually, though, given all the other things about Obama -- it wouldn't surprise me if Obama had failing grades throughout High School, etc., and it's been kept under lock 'n key)...

276 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:39pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

just out of curiosity...if you don't believe in God, what's your stance on God given rights?

277 BigJohn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:42pm

re: #91 rightymouse

Don't forget that Bob Barr, Richard Duncan, Brian Moore, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are on the ballot for President. How many votes do you reckon they'll suck away from the One?

Bob Barr won't take any votes from Obama. He might hurt McCain in Georgia, but I hope not.

278 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:57pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

Exactly what sort of damage to the country do you think Palin would do?

279 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:50:59pm

re: #107 rusty_armor

Pundits and pollsters say about 1%

Dang. I was hoping that they'd suck away major votes from Obama like Perot did to Bush.

280 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:51:21pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

i'm a center right atheist too.

you should learn to be more tolerant of our religious friends.

they'll be the first ones to help you out, should the Obama Civilian Security Force come knocking at the door to take your guns away.

You betcha. I'll be there with bells on.


Okay. Maybe not bells...

281 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:51:43pm

re: #274 gmsc

You betcha!

I LOVE THAT ! !

282 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:51:49pm

re: #238 mama winger

Nice to meetcha. I am Sarah Palin.

:)


me too

283 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:51:54pm

Regardless of how an election turns out, I will remain free. I do not depend upon politicians and government for my happiness; they depend upon the assent of the governed - me and people like me.

Live free or die.

284 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:00pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

Principled or the equivalent of voting present? I can see it going either way.

285 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:21pm

On Wednesday night (about the time I'll find out the results of the election) I'll ride my Horse in my jumping lesson and I'll keep on keeping on.

I'll have to evaluate my feelings then about what happens if one or the other side wins. I wonder about this new civilian national security force that is as powerful and well funded as the U.S. military, WTF is that? WTF is all of this crazy talk? WTF?!?

If any other presidential candidate in history had ever said something like that, it would be labeled appropriately as crazy-talk. Now it just seems it's some crazed anti-Obama lunatic putting Obama's actual statements out on Youtube.

The world is upside down. It's OK, I finished my MBA homework for the week and I have a stash of Jim Beam.

I figure when my Jim Beam is gone, my MBA will worth paper it's written on considering the majority of Americans want the government to take over the markets, how much people, "get to keep" of their earned money, etc...

It's a crazy fucking world.

286 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:24pm

re: #258 Cartman

Cartman, I always wanted a big brother to help defend me.
I ended up with all sisters instead.
Because of that, I now carry a .45 colt 1911 and a concealed carry permit.
You would have been my ideal brother!

287 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:26pm

So I have an anecdote for you guys. One of my buddies is an ardent anti-Obama guy. Very strong in his opposition. Anyway, he wanted to do an experiment by "switching" his allegiance to Barack Obama on Facebook, by changing his "political views" section, all the groups he's in, and having conversations with his friends about his new-found allegiance.

He wanted to see the reactions and he got one demonstratively. All of his Obama-supporting friends said things like "Welcome to the good side", "We knew you'd come around", etc.

He posted a note today on his Facebook, and here it is. It's right on target.

---

Your savior...is a fraud.

And you have also proven me correct.

All it took was a status change and some sweet talking, and bam, all of you thought I had miraculously "seen the light" and come over to your side. In reality, I have simply been conducting an experiment, and my hypothesis was right: If you shine anything up real nice and talk about it like it's the greatest thing ever, people will believe. People aren't interested in actions, they're shallow enough that they will believe what is said instead of what is done.

You believe that your messiah is the "change you can believe in." You believe that Barack Obama will shake up the "status quo" in this country. You are misguided and delusional. The "change" Barack Obama is going to bring is not the change you and so many other Americans have been seduced by. The change you "believe in" will happen: Barack Obama will be a drastic change from the past eight years. But it's not going to magically cure everything that ails this country like you so naively believe. No, what's going to happen is we will shift from one extreme on the political spectrum to the other. Problems that have popped up since 2001 will fade away, and brand new ones which are just as bad will emerge.

But no, you want to continue living in a fantasy world where debts are magically erased and wars are magically ended and everyone in the world will hold hands and sing songs together with Barack Obama as the conductor. You want to believe that your Anointed One is infallable and uncorrupted, when in reality he is just like every other politician. He lies, he deflects, he averts, and because he looks nice and talks well with a teleprompter, you believe his bullshit.

If you expect to take me apart with an anti-McCain or anti-Bush argument, you'll be pissing in the wind. I will not step up to the plate to defend John McCain, and I don't have to step up to the plate to defend George W. Bush, because he's not an issue. Your Holy One likes to preach about moving America into the future, when all he's done over the past year or so is harp on about the past and what's been done. His plans are utopian in nature and unrealistic by design, but because he has the media eating out of the palm of his hand, nobody calls him on it, and if someone dare inquires about his shady associations or his lack of experience, BAM. Out comes the race card.

But no, lets ignore the man's judgment. Lets ignore his relationship with a domestic terrorist. Lets ignore his relationship with a racist whom he only distanced himself from when this whole campaign thing of his really got going. Lets ignore his America-hating wife. Lets ignore his selection of a Vice Presidential candidate who himself has doubts about Obama's abilities. Biden himself has said that the office of the President doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Biden himself has said that Obama will be immediately tested by the world. Why do you think lunatics like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hate George Bush so much and want Obama to be elected? Because they know Obama is a pussy cat that they will be able to trample. These are our ENEMIES, people.

But go ahead, vote for him, my deranged neo-coms. Hit your knees tonight praying for your messiah to be victorious. Go to sleep knowing that you are doing the right thing tomorrow when you cast your vote for him.

(continued below)

288 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:30pm

re: #268 SummerSong

May I wear my McCain/Palin T shirt to the polling place or is that considered electioneering?

And what about those two big billboards I plan to lean on my car? I plan to park a number of blocks away...

summer.. In Indiana..you won't be voting...

289 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:31pm

re: #269 bcgirl


sorry then if obama does get elected then don't bother to complain about ANYTHING, you are part of the problem if you cannot even make a decison that is this important,, you should just say you have NO concience


I did the same thing and luckily you aren't in charge of free speech rights. Non-voters have the same right to complain as everybody else.

290 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:32pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

Yes, I understand 0bama supporters do prefer a visible Santa Claus.

291 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:35pm

Believe in the man who has created the illusion that he is a man of the people and will give back when he's actually one of the most arrogant, self-serving SOBs to ever run for the office. Believe in the man that gives the finger to his opponent during a speech a day before the election.

Believe in the flash, don't look for substance. Hype does not equal hope, just as charm does not equal change. But I shouldn't expect anything less. I'm addressing the same people that bought into what I said for a week.

Everybody lies. No one is immune to it, especially politicians. It's just an unfortunate fact that people are even more susceptible to believing lies. That was proven to me over the last week, and will probably be proven tomorrow night.

292 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:36pm

Unless you live in a battleground state - you are not seeing the point of the spear of the McCain and the 527's campaign. Obama has enormously outspent McCain, and lied to every group necessary.

But in some ways I'm grateful to know what I know and to have seen what I have seen during the campaign. It's rather like finding out that a pedophile is living in your neighborhood.

Is knowing a good thing or a bad thing? It is far more uncomfortable to know the truth when you realize that you've been cheated on, lied to, and made a fool of.

All these years, we were pretty unenlightened as to how far along the demoralization process was, and it's intended purpose, which was to more easily convinced those who were already morally compromised, that a like-minded leader is in their best interest.

We thought Clinton was morally decrepit. Now our eyes are opened to a moral and political degeneracy the likes which we have not seen in 50 years - if ever - pimped by a immoral and bought media.

Really, it's better to now know that this is what has been going on all along.

293 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:51pm

re: #150 NC State of Mind

Same here. About the only two mediums I can handle now. I've listened to the clip of the lady leaving the Obama rally Levin played Friday ten times today:

"This was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. It is just so comforting to know that I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car anymore. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

I mean, what can you really say to that?


Answer:
"Are you selling your car and house? No, well, Who do you think is going to put gas into your car and make your mortgage payment?"
Her "the rich"
Me "what happens if the rich just take the money they have and close down all of their industries, Logically, why should they work 12 hours a day to make less money than they are making now?"

294 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:55pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

You've obviously learned nothing here.
Go away.

295 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:52:56pm

re: #270 musicman

Amen.

296 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:53:09pm

Obama judges--- more of the same ? Yes

ORANGE, Calif. (AP) — A Southern California county will allow jailed Muslim women to wear headscarves after settling a lawsuit with a woman who claims that deputies violated her religious freedom by making her remove her hijab.

The settlement agreement signed by the county last week and released Monday specifies that Muslim women must be provided a private area to remove their headscarves after arrest and must be provided with county-issued headscarves to cover themselves when they are in the presence of men

297 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:53:10pm
298 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:53:20pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

Who's this Santa you speak of?

299 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:53:56pm

Charles,

We both have a stake in this election. I've got a c-note at 5:1 for McC to win with a co-worker. He wouldn't go for the 7:1 I originally wanted. I win: I donate one (1) of the coming 5 hundies to LGF for server upgrades!

300 summergurl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:54:08pm

re: #104 Silhouette

She's on mine. And Nadar. And Barr. And others.

Cynthia has crazy eyes - like she is going to put a voodoo curse on you

301 RurouniKenshin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:54:16pm

re: #269 bcgirl

sorry then if obama does get elected then don't bother to complain about ANYTHING, you are part of the problem if you cannot even make a decison that is this important,, you should just say you have NO concience


I realize I'll have no right to complain about who gets picked.

But don't misconstrue what I said--I chose not to vote for either of them, it wasn't that I was unable to make a decision.

Should I vote for one side and have one giant mess on my conscience or vote for the other side and have another giant mess? Or simply vote so I can complain when the I side I voted for lost? No.

302 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:54:29pm

re: #246 witness

Out of control in NJ. As I've said before, they still got their Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers on. I only hope to see them driving around 4 years from now with Obama/Biden in the same fashion (as a bunch of losers).

Not only do I have to put up with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers, I have to live with the WWWD (What Would Wellstone Do?) stickers. Also, why is it that liberals can't put one bumper sticker on their car and be done with it? My neighbor has six Obama stickers on her car.

303 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:54:29pm

re: #250 opnion

I do hope that the trend contiues & he polls higher than the votes, especially the battleground ststes.

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES 2008

Obama did extremely well in caucus states and Clinton did very badly in them. How come? Turnout in caucus states is always low, usually about 10-20% of the electorate. Only highly motivated people bother to show up, especially the Democratic caucuses, which go on for hours and people have to publicly defend their choice. Obama has a smaller, but extremely active and loyal following, especially among younger voters. These are precisely the people who can swing a caucus state by showing up in droves and working hard to convince the other voters that Obama would make a great President. In primary states, the media, especially TV ads have a much bigger influence. Now it becomes clear why Obama won North Dakota but Clinton won Oklahoma, a demographically similar state in the same part of the country: North Dakota had a caucus and Oklahoma had a primary.

304 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:54:37pm

re: #263 Cognito

Name-calling: Easier than conversation.

It is ! Less filling and tastes great too !

305 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:01pm

re: #285 imploder

Our biggest worry is the fairness doctrine. We must do all we can to preserve freedom of speech. They will attempt to silence us all. We must not allow it at all costs.

306 medaura18586  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:05pm

The result of this poll so far, seems like really wishful thinking.

I myself am getting emotionally ready to be depressed tomorrow. If McCain pulls through it will be a delicious surprise.

/doom mode off

307 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:12pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

The fact that Palin took on corruption, big oil, her own party and has an 80% positive rating gets my vote.
She could be a pro-life tongue speaking snake handling pentecostal and I'd still vote for her. And I'm a non-secular Libertarian.

308 VioletTiger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:55:14pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

Jersey is crawling with moonbats.

Not everywhere, at least not down here at Exit 2 ;)

309 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:00pm

re: #301 RurouniKenshin

What giant mess ensues when an elected official has a belief in God? Can you be more specific? What worries you the most ?

310 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:02pm

re: #203 Cognito

Are you willing to perhaps make a few get-out-the-vote phone calls for McCain to help the outcome to defy your current expectations?

311 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:05pm

re: #263 Cognito

Name-calling: Easier than conversation.

That's right, pal. I'm tired of your crap. You're like fingernails on a chalk board. I'm throwing the "everybody has a right to their opinion" stuff right out the window, when it comes to you. You're just a little punk that sticks firecrackers up cats' butts. I've been wanting to let you have it for a long, long time. I find you annoying as hell, and that's giving you the benefit of the f'n doubt. I remember Charles almost came close to giving you the stick a couple of times, and I rue the day he thought better of it.

312 RurouniKenshin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:10pm

re: #276 Boolz

just out of curiosity...if you don't believe in God, what's your stance on God given rights?


They aren't exactly god-given then, are they? ;)

313 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:20pm

I don't believe the coal union won't pull it's head out of its ass.

314 Random63  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:36pm

re: #176 Silhouette

I believe then Alexander Haig is the president.

/obscure reference alert

Obscure? It wasn't that long ago was it? Ummm...wait a minute...I was 17 or 18 when that happened...and I'm...ummm...a little older now...does that make me obscure too?

315 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:36pm

re: #276 Boolz

just out of curiosity...if you don't believe in God, what's your stance on God given rights?

Heh.

316 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:38pm

re: #209 mama winger

But dadgummit don't raise their electric bill.

Got That Right!

317 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:56:44pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Just curious. Have you ever voted for a presidential candidate?

318 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:08pm

re: #268 SummerSong

May I wear my McCain/Palin T shirt to the polling place or is that considered electioneering?

And what about those two big billboards I plan to lean on my car? I plan to park a number of blocks away...

The latter should be fine in any state. There's usually an "X# of yards from the polling place" ordinance in effect. For the former, it can vary from state to state. Unless you have definitive information from your Board of Elections, I'd say pass on the shirt. Or wear a jacket over it. We need your vote.

319 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:12pm

re: #249 Alouette

There will be riots.

I'm gonna get me a big screen TV!

320 J.S.  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:15pm

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

Ah..I see. In Canada (in some provinces) you do "Matriculate" (at a high school level -- meaning if you pass the matriculation courses at a high school level, then you can enter university..)

321 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:26pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

Bad, really bad logic. I myself am a Center-Right Atheist yet when faced with that choice I would certainly vote for the whole McCain/Palin tickets as the alternative will at least pinch you in the butt.
Look beyond the religiosity, look at the character of the person and tolerate their beliefs as long as they're not going totally astray. If you continue to only focus on the religious beliefs of those politicians you're gonna go mental in a short while.

322 summergurl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:28pm

re: #95 mama winger

I will not be here tomorrow. I report to my polling station and will be guarding against voter fraud from 6:30 Am till they close up for the night, whenever that may be.

I am going to pack a bag full of snacks, soft drinks, my cell phone, my election book, my notebook, my Vote Fraud Hotline number and my big ol' Bible.

I have a red white and blue shirt. I am going to wear it with the biggest cross I own around my neck. I am going to wear all of my 'Support the Troops buttons.' I am going to smile and glare as much as it takes to get my polling station over the line for McCain.

Without violating any election laws of course.

I will hear no news till I get home. If McCain wins before then, somebody throw up a smoke signal and aim it towards Wisconsin.


Hey Mama - all my cheesehead relatives are worried about tomorrow. They are all Mac and Palin fans , PUMA's. Hubby and I thought we'd never see them vote for a Democrat until BO started making redistribution comments. They've worked hard for what they have and think everyone should work and not expect a hand out. Good luck to you tomorrow - I think you will hear a roar when he wins and then a collective sigh of relief that our country is in Mac's hands.

323 mfarmer1  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:32pm

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign. While hope remains that the polls are way off and McCain somehow pulls off a victory, the likelihood is more along the lines of a 1996-style 379-159 landslide by Obama. Conservative radio talk shows over the last few days remind me greatly of those in the days leading up to the Clinton/Dole contest.

We'll know in a little more than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe Obama ends up being a good President because he is forced to be and has to toss a ton of even more stuff underneath the bus, including much of his insane leftist nonsense for a more pragmatic approach.

I wish the victor the best of luck, he's going to need it.

324 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:33pm

re: #234 Sol Roth

I was watching the 5 pm (CST) Fox Report with Brit Hume. The lead story was Major Garrett reporting from the Obama campaign. I SWEAR I heard Major quote Obama, in reference to the polls and Bob Dylan, "You don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing."

I'm serious as a heart attack. The very freaking nerve of that filthy stinking communist.

Holy SHIT!

Anybody care to record the re-run of Hume's program tonight? I can't find anything at Fox or YouTube about this yet.

In case anybody doesn't know by now, the Weather Underground communist guerillas (Ayers) took their name from the exact same Dylan song and quote.

325 kataleena  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:36pm

To Mama Winger, et al

I hardly ever post because I don't quite know the ropes yet and I am afraid I am going to make some dufus mistake...bt I have to tell all of you that you here at LGF have made me keep my sanity during such a frightening time!
I am one of the many, many volunteers at a localMcCain HQ in a souther california community...which has also keeps me sane!

I, too Mama, will be taking the day off work to do poll watching and reporting back to HQ.

I think one thing that many people aren't realizing this cycle is that almost 100% of the 30-50 people that show up at HQ on the weekends to make calls have never done anything like this before in their lifetime!

These newbies are so moved by their "fear" of Obama that for the first time in their adult lives they are taking action! Now, just mutiply this accross the nation, in states that really do matter and I believe we have a very quiet, selfless movement that most people are unaware of!

PLEASE LIZARDS...KEEP THE FAITH AND GO VOTE...MAMA WINGER YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO ME...

Kataleena

326 DisgustingOratory  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:43pm

re: #299 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Awesome. This site seems to have become the cutting edge Rush used to speak about.

327 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:49pm

re: #308 VioletTiger

Not everywhere, at least not down here at Exit 2 ;)

Exit 6 here and down 206.

328 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:57:52pm

I'm wearing my McCain-Palin Rally cap

329 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:02pm

re: #311 Cartman

That's right, pal. I'm tired of your crap. You're like fingernails on a chalk board. I'm throwing the "everybody has a right to their opinion" stuff right out the window, when it comes to you. You're just a little punk that sticks firecrackers up cats' butts. I've been wanting to let you have it for a long, long time. I find you annoying as hell, and that's giving you the benefit of the f'n doubt. I remember Charles almost came close to giving you the stick a couple of times, and I rue the day he thought better of it.

Well, that's a mouthful.

Unfortunately none of it has anything to do with what I actually said.

330 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:10pm

re: #311 Cartman

Will you dance with me?

331 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:18pm

re: #302 gregg

Not only do I have to put up with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers, I have to live with the WWWD (What Would Wellstone Do?) stickers. Also, why is it that liberals can't put one bumper sticker on their car and be done with it? My neighbor has six Obama stickers on her car.

trying to convince herself she made the right choice.

332 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:24pm

re: #300 summergurl

Sorry to jump in here but,
it's exopthalmos like Marty Feldman.
Probably thyroid related.
She is VooDoo!

333 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:35pm

re: #209 mama winger

I honestly believe this coal and energy thing will do the trick. People may not care if Obama is a racist, or that he hangs around with terrorists, or that he wants to turn this country into a communist state.

But dadgummit don't raise their electric bill.

that is so true. i was w/ out electric for 3 days last wk. freak snow storm upstate.
no heat, no water, no lights. that doesn't work for most people.
we saw it as an adventure. it was fun.
candles, cooking in the coals of the fire place.
but day in day, out that kind of deprivation is going to get old.
w/ the O's great plan of bankrupting the coal industry people will suffer to a breaking point.
this seems to be what he wants for america.
bringing us to our knees to achieve his goal of elevating the 3rd. world.
he is delusional.
that is not the way to tackle the problem of global poverty.

334 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:58:44pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

Who are your examples of successful atheist secular leaders? Not saying there haven't been any, just wondering what your take is.

335 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:03pm

re: #286 notutopia

Welcome to the family. :)

336 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:06pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign. While hope remains that the polls are way off and McCain somehow pulls off a victory, the likelihood is more along the lines of a 1996-style 379-159 landslide by Obama. Conservative radio talk shows over the last few days remind me greatly of those in the days leading up to the Clinton/Dole contest.

We'll know in a little more than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe Obama ends up being a good President because he is forced to be and has to toss a ton of even more stuff underneath the bus, including much of his insane leftist nonsense for a more pragmatic approach.

I wish the victor the best of luck, he's going to need it.

HIllary had 18 million voters - and many of them felt cheated.

337 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:08pm

Well, looking at the poll results so far, I have to say it is a pleasure to be able to enjoy the healthy democracy here in LGF where lizards can vote for Obama, not because they support him, but because they express their view, probably with heavy hearts, that Obama may just get the nod.

At Kos, or elsewhere left, votes for McCain would be consigned to the ether.

338 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:23pm
339 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:28pm

re: #267 buzzdroid

i'm a center right atheist too.

you should learn to be more tolerant of our religious friends.

they'll be the first ones to help you out, should the Obama Civilian Security Force come knocking at the door to take your guns away.

Not to mention that the religious folks tend to think of our Constitutional rights as God-given and therefore inalienable, whereas we know that Obama (the crypto-atheist-Marxist) believes that the only rights the citizens have are the ones that the Government deigns to let them have and are therefore mutable and revocable.

340 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:33pm

re: #325 kataleena

{kataleena}

That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. I am very very touched. God bless you for all the work you are doing - and YES !
We can DO THIS ! !

341 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 3:59:59pm

I live in a conservative county in Ohio. The McCain/Palin signs are outnumbering Obama's by about 5 to 1.

My son's private school is located in a notoriously blue county. The signs on the way to his school were McCain/Palin 3 to 1 - I pick him up there twice a week after basketball practice.

Normally during an election year, the Dem signs are all over the place.

Am praying for McCain/Palin tonight and all day tomorrow.

342 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:00:11pm

re: #326 DisgustingOratory

re: #299 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Awesome. This site seems to have become the cutting edge Rush used to speak about.

It's about time that the right-leaners have a voice again.

343 Shug  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:00:14pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.


So vote for Nader

344 ornery elephant  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:00:34pm

re: #317 Noam Sayin'

Just curious. Have you ever voted for a presidential candidate?

He's waiting for Bill Maher to run.

345 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:00:36pm

re: #305 witness

We'll be up against ALL of the MSM on that issue.

346 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:00pm

New comments making me very... d...izz...y..!

347 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:03pm

re: #330 mama winger

Will you dance with me?

You lead, hon.

348 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

Most, if not all Christians pray. Members of other religions too.

You must vote very rarely in this country if you can't vote for someone who prays for guidance, assuming you fairly apply that restriction to all candidates, not just ones that the media has painted as atypical in their religious devotion.

For example, although I know you said you didn't vote for him, but just to illustrate the media's painting of Palin as different

"I pray every night in the name of Jesus Christ that I am an instrument of God's will."
-Barack Obama
349 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:32pm

re: #227 monkey den

NJ is nothing. I'm in Massachusetts!

got ya both beat... i live where all the entertainment industry folks live, and Hollyweird/West LA are just over the hill...

/belly of the beast!

350 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:46pm

re: #268 SummerSong

May I wear my McCain/Palin T shirt to the polling place or is that considered electioneering?

And what about those two big billboards I plan to lean on my car? I plan to park a number of blocks away...

Don't wear it. It is against the law to electioneer (well, unless you're a Democrat voting in NYC).

Be subtle, get a Dallas Mavericks jersey instead!//

351 musicman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:48pm

re: #253 musicman

Remember my prediction...
I've been busy doing some audio recording and just found out about Obama's G-ma passing.

That was my prediction, that she would die before the election.

That is why I didn't want to even give anyone a hint about it.

Please let me also state that this was one "gut prediction" that I did not want to ever come true. My wife had cancer, she survived, and we want to see this evil disease stopped. May God greatly comfort Ms. Dunham's entire family.

352 Billy Hank  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:01:59pm

Hope is a thing with feathers.

Eagles up.

353 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:03pm

re: #296 Shug

Obama judges--- more of the same ? Yes

there's a reason belts, scarves and shoe laces are taken away from prisoners - hello ---anyone out there.

354 Truck Monkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:04pm

A little long, but worth a look.

This guy is awesome.

355 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:09pm

re: #311 Cartman

Way to go Cartman.. I laughed so hard I dropped my piece of pizza and the dog stole it...
Lucky there is more..Stop it! :)

356 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:23pm

re: #343 Shug

So vote for Nader

Dont do that. That idiot is from my state. His ego does not need anymore inflating ok? If he gets ~1% of the vote, he keeps throwing his hat into the ring for the next election. He needs to go away.

357 WesternMT  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:30pm

re: #301 RurouniKenshin

You know, I usually just keep my mouth shut about stuff like this... but this time... it's got me ticked off.

This is probably the stupidest position I've ever seen people take about an election. This ISN'T about your frickin' opinion or feelings, it's about the COUNTRY you jerk...

there... off my chest... sorry everyone else...

358 VioletTiger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:37pm

New Jersey leaders, we are so proud (blech!)

Cavuto threatened by Menendez (with Fair Doctrine) after he takes apart the Dem tax plan.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

359 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:39pm

re: #312 RurouniKenshin

They aren't exactly god-given then, are they? ;)

If you don't believe in "God Given Rights," which really means inalienable rights, then you don't understand the basis of our Constitution.

The thrust is that there are rights that are, "natural," in other words, no human can strip you of them. Those are God Given rights.

Take a pill.

360 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:45pm

re: #312 RurouniKenshin

They aren't exactly god-given then, are they? ;)

If they are not God-given, then they are man-given. And man can take them away. Barack Obama has said that this is his goal: to create a "Bill of Positive Rights" that in fact takes away rights such as the right to private property.

Our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence are based on the belief that our human rights are God-given. People like Sarah Palin will defend your rights on that basis -- even your right to be an atheist.

361 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:02:46pm

re: #329 Cognito


Unfortunately none of it has anything to do with what I actually said.

You didn't say squat. You never do.

363 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:02pm

re: #322 summergurl

Here's hoping summergirl ! We are giving it our best shot!

When it's over, we can say we left it all out on the field.

McCain is going to win.

364 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:07pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign.

To me, it's had a more unique feel. This is the first election in my life where neither a sitting president nor a sitting vice-president is running in the election. No one is running for re-election either, as Clinton was in 1996.

I think the dynamics in this election are far more unique.

365 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:10pm

re: #361 Cartman

You didn't say squat. You never do.

All right, Cartman.

366 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:18pm

re: #263 Cognito

Name-calling: Easier than conversation.

Cognito my friend, review your posts here today. Once again you pick some random poster and you proceed to "educate them" on the most trivial thing. Your tone smacks of condescension. You do not have conversations, you bicker. Do you know you do this? I think not.

I see why you really rub some people the wrong way.

367 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:20pm

re: #358 VioletTiger

New Jersey leaders, we are so proud (blech!)

Cavuto threatened by Menendez (with Fair Doctrine) after he takes apart the Dem tax plan.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

bad link

368 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:23pm

re: #268 SummerSong

May I wear my McCain/Palin T shirt to the polling place or is that considered electioneering?

And what about those two big billboards I plan to lean on my car? I plan to park a number of blocks away...


i am going to wear my palin power button and my NOPE button with the obama symbol will i get in trouble

369 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:30pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign. While hope remains that the polls are way off and McCain somehow pulls off a victory, the likelihood is more along the lines of a 1996-style 379-159 landslide by Obama. Conservative radio talk shows over the last few days remind me greatly of those in the days leading up to the Clinton/Dole contest.

We'll know in a little more than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe Obama ends up being a good President because he is forced to be and has to toss a ton of even more stuff underneath the bus, including much of his insane leftist nonsense for a more pragmatic approach.

I wish the victor the best of luck, he's going to need it.


Yet another Eyore that has been here for a couple of years and has a low comment count. Thanks-you've spread your depression. Your mission is done.

370 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:40pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

Sarah represents my values and ideals better than anyone that has run for office in my lifetime.

371 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:03:49pm

re: #347 Cartman

You lead, hon.

I do a mean hokey pokey.


right foot in, and all that

372 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:04:16pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.

I am a centre-right atheist myself. I would vote for McCain for the same reason that gay folks are likely to: he'd be the best option for anyone. Obama seeks to remove "America" from the globe and replace it with something rather opposite from that.

Can I do without the "preachy-ness" of the right? Sure. Can I do without McC? Hell, no. He's the leader on the issues: Law and Order, free trade, Constitutional SCOTUS judges, energy independence and even healthcare since Zero's plan is to basically bankrupt the budget to bribe his voters.

Vote properly and vote American: Vote McC/P.

373 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:04:18pm

re: #276 Boolz

just out of curiosity...if you don't believe in God, what's your stance on God given rights?

you dont have to - the founding fathers genius was not that rights were God given - but that they were "inalienable".

as natural as gravity. or the air we breathe. "inalienable" is the key here.

dont forget that Jefferson was a deist (although i think he was actually atheist or at least agnostic)

374 Geepers  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:04:21pm

RurouniKenshin says:

Or simply vote so I can complain when the I side I voted for lost?

What an interesting statement.

How do you know that the side you're voting for is going to lose?

375 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:04:37pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

so if someone isn't a member of your religion, you won't vote for them?

how delightfully open minded of you...

(and people think Christians are fanatics. ) %-

376 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:04:59pm

re: #360 stuiec

If they are not God-given, then they are man-given.


If they are god given what took him so long?

377 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:00pm

re: #368 bcgirl

i am going to wear my palin power button and my NOPE button with the obama symbol will i get in trouble

They will probably ask you to remove them. But what the heck - give it a shot :)

378 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:04pm

re: #203 Cognito

What does that mean? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

I'd like very much to win a million dollars playing the McDonald's scratch-off game, but I don't expect I will.

It's just math.

So on a much lower ratio of odds, I'd like very much for John McCain to win tomorrow. But I expect -- just paying attention -- that Barack Obama will win.

My Dem boss already lost one bet with me and he's going to lose another one tomorrow. Sure hope you don't have too much money riding on Obama.

379 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:07pm

re: #366 Racer X

Who you callin' a random poster?

380 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:15pm

re: #128 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

William "The Refrigerator" Perry, 46 y/o, is confined to a wheelchair these days. He's been real sick the last few years.

According to his Wikipedia page, he is suffering from Guillain-Barré syndrome. I hope they caught in time for effective treatment.

381 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:26pm

re: #335 Cartman

Aw thanks Cartman :)

382 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:32pm

re: #349 redc1c4

got ya both beat... i live where all the entertainment industry folks live, and Hollyweird/West LA are just over the hill...

/belly of the beast!

be jealous you blue staters. we're red, we're here, and we're proud.


ooo ooo
if obama wins can we have 'red pride' day? and will the obamanites take over the 'red state' term and what will we become? 'blue states' but then what will the blue states be? white states (racists)

oh the worries I have.
l/

383 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:33pm

re: #373 buzzdroid

you dont have to - the founding fathers genius was not that rights were God given - but that they were "inalienable".

as natural as gravity. or the air we breathe. "inalienable" is the key here.

dont forget that Jefferson was a deist (although i think he was actually atheist or at least agnostic)

endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

384 FightingBack  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:41pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

He will not need "luck." He will have America.

385 samsoncc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:43pm

O'Buddy Christ is unstoppable, folks...

386 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:44pm

re: #325 kataleena

Hey, don't worry. You're not being graded and it won't go into your permanent record.

387 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:05:49pm

re: #339 stuiec

Not to mention that the religious folks tend to think of our Constitutional rights as God-given and therefore inalienable, whereas we know that Obama (the crypto-atheist-Marxist) believes that the only rights the citizens have are the ones that the Government deigns to let them have and are therefore mutable and revocable.

One of the basic differences between a liberal and a Conservative.

388 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:00pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

If they are god given what took him so long?

huh?

389 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:14pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I did the same thing and luckily you aren't in charge of free speech rights. Non-voters have the same right to complain as everybody else.

Voting is your ticket to attend the dance. Yes, you can crash the dance, but don't be surprised when people who actually paid to be there don't immediately acquiesce to your demands to change the music being played.

Just sayin'.

390 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:43pm

good night all
happy voting.

391 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:43pm
392 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:06:49pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

big difference to 96 though - clinton was in the middle of the 90s boom.

obama is facing the biggest global meltdown (possibly) since the 1930s...

and we all know what happened when a messiah got elected in the 1930s.

393 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:09pm

re: #388 mama winger

Why did he grant our constitutional right to the Cannanites or the Sumarians?

394 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:11pm

re: #343 Shug

So vote for Nader

Shoot. Vote for McKinney. Have at it...bring your conscience with you. ;-)>

395 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:22pm

re: #346 reloadingisnotahobby

try 1/2 of a scopolamine patch. If you don't have that, belt 2oz. of neat whiskey and then it won't matter anymore.

396 simonml  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:37pm

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul!

We got all the way to #12.

This isn't the site I knew!

397 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:39pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

If they are god given what took him so long?

He didn't give them in 1776. They were there all along.

We as people have a right to be free. People have just been enslaving others unjustly for most of history.

398 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:44pm

re: #392 buzzdroid

big difference to 96 though - clinton was in the middle of the 90s boom.

obama is facing the biggest global meltdown (possibly) since the 1930s...

and we all know what happened when a messiah got elected in the 1930s.

But doesn't Obama just *look* presidential?

/semi-obscure reference.

399 mfarmer1  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:07:45pm

re: #364 gmsc

To me, it's had a more unique feel. This is the first election in my life where neither a sitting president nor a sitting vice-president is running in the election. No one is running for re-election either, as Clinton was in 1996.

I think the dynamics in this election are far more unique.

Fair enough and I agree. I was only thinking about the outcome in my post. The talk shows back then almost had one believing that Dole could really pull it off, when it simply wasn't going to be.

400 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:08:04pm

re: #366 Racer X

Cognito my friend, review your posts here today. Once again you pick some random poster and you proceed to "educate them" on the most trivial thing. Your tone smacks of condescension. You do not have conversations, you bicker. Do you know you do this? I think not.

I see why you really rub some people the wrong way.

Racer, with all due respect: I came along and disagreed with someone in fairly normal, grownup terms.

I'll re-post the exchange, for honesty's sake. He posted:

So far, there's 213 Kool-Aid drinkers or eeyores.


Then I posted,

What does that mean? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

I'd like very much to win a million dollars playing the McDonald's scratch-off game, but I don't expect I will.

It's just math.

So on a much lower ratio of odds, I'd like very much for John McCain to win tomorrow. But I expect -- just paying attention -- that Barack Obama will win.

So, again: I disagreed on a normal point. Maybe I could have been gentler in my disagreement, but I think that's a matter of degree.

Then that person proceeded to verbally pull down his pants, poop in his hand, and fling it for all he's worth. And I'm rubbing people the wrong way?

Come on.

401 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:08:34pm

Are the pollsters factoring in the fear factor that people are genuinely afraid to tell strangers that they are not voting for the "king"?

Not a fear of looking bad, but a fear of triggering some punishment, either to their person, property or reputation? I think we know that the Democrat "operatives" are thugs.

402 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:08:55pm

re: #374 Geepers

RurouniKenshin says:

What an interesting statement.

How do you know that the side you're voting for is going to lose?

because he's actually an Obamtron posting here to cause trouble?

403 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:08:58pm

re: #396 simonml

We got all the way to #12.

This isn't the site I knew!

I beg to differ.
re: #8 CyanSnowHawk

404 Dave the.....  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:00pm

Zombie, I know a guy who is pretty far out there when it comes to policitics. He wears anti-McCain shirts and buttons, but here's the funny thing. Just like the bumper sticker, they look just like real McCain stuff.

They say "McCain" or "McCain-Palin" in large letters, same script, colors, everything as the real stuff. Then there is some snarky comment written really small below.

He thinks he is being clever, but no one knows it unless he points it out, then you ahve to almost squint to read the cut on McCain.

405 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:05pm

Anyone else gonna root for the Redskins tonight? Another electoral sports superstition - if the Redskins win their last home game before Election Day, the incumbent party retains the White House.

(No, it didn't work in 2004, but it has every other year.)

406 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:12pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign. While hope remains that the polls are way off and McCain somehow pulls off a victory, the likelihood is more along the lines of a 1996-style 379-159 landslide by Obama. Conservative radio talk shows over the last few days remind me greatly of those in the days leading up to the Clinton/Dole contest.

We'll know in a little more than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe Obama ends up being a good President because he is forced to be and has to toss a ton of even more stuff underneath the bus, including much of his insane leftist nonsense for a more pragmatic approach.

I wish the victor the best of luck, he's going to need it.

A) It has none of the feel of 1996 to me.

B) Obama is not capable of being a good President. Bill Clinton was amenable to force because he wanted desperately to be re-elected. Obama wants desperately to re-make the United States so quickly and drastically that no future President will be able to undo the damage. And the Democrats in Congress tend to share his vision.

407 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:28pm

I think the rights of Americans will change under a Barack administration. I think there will be a concerted effort to change the Constitution.

Thankfully, the Constitution is the last bastion. To change it, the bar is incredibly high. 2/3rds majority in every states senate to ratify an amendment.

It may be this bit of genius in our Founder's foresight that saves us from ourselves.

408 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:32pm
409 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:35pm

re: #397 Silhouette


We as people have a right to be free. People have just been enslaving others unjustly for most of history.


Slavery was considered constitutional for about the first 100 years.

410 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:40pm

re: #401 DistantThunder

Are the pollsters factoring in the fear factor that people are genuinely afraid to tell strangers that they are not voting for the "king"

No they are not. And in the exit polls they wont say that either.

411 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:09:42pm

re: #394 Outrider

Shoot. Vote for McKinney. Have at it...bring your conscience with you. ;-)>

Ieee. Nooo. Anything but Goa'uld McKinney. Her symbiont turned on her years ago.

412 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:10pm

re: #288 HoosierHoops

Ack...okay...on to plan B.

413 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:14pm

re: #400 Cognito

Gawd, you're an asshole.

414 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:19pm

re: #405 arethusa

Anyone else gonna root for the Redskins tonight? Another electoral sports superstition - if the Redskins win their last home game before Election Day, the incumbent party retains the White House.

(No, it didn't work in 2004, but it has every other year.)

They already beat the Cowboys, that's enough.

415 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:28pm

re: #368 bcgirl

i am going to wear my palin power button and my NOPE button with the obama symbol will i get in trouble

Yes, you will have to remove them, if the polling place is enforcing the law.

416 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:31pm

re: #363 mama winger

Here's hoping summergirl ! We are giving it our best shot!

When it's over, we can say we left it all out on the field.

McCain is going to win.

dont let america go socialist.

the rest of the world is counting on you guys!

get out and vote McCain.

/me in disbelief that a Weatherman could be close the US president...

417 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:40pm

re: #400 Cognito

You're a passive-aggressive a-hole.

418 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:42pm
419 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:47pm

...And if the Constitution is god given then how could Obama take it away from you?

420 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:10:54pm

re: #407 imploder

I think the rights of Americans will change under a Barack administration. I think there will be a concerted effort to change the Constitution.

I agree, but I don't think they'll try to pass amendments.

They'll just ignore/disobey what it says. And imagine things there that it doesn't.

421 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:01pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Why did he grant our constitutional right to the Cannanites or the Sumarians?

We have always had these rights. It took men time to recognize them and codify them. It does not mean they were not present.

Lots of things are recent 'discoveries'. It does not mean they weren't there all along. As you are familiar with science, I am sure you can think of numerous examples.

422 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:06pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

Well well well, aren't we being a sanctimonious, pompous, self-righteous little prick.

423 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:08pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I did the same thing and luckily you aren't in charge of free speech rights. Non-voters have the same right to complain as everybody else.

oh killgor you must mean just like the people who keep stealing my mccain signs are honoring my free speech rights, or the one who flipped me off because i excersiced my free speech and put a no to bo sign on my car,,but i guess that is ok huh? i have read you for years and i know that you are not a crazy person and that you would not agree with a person who violated my free speech by doing those thing, however i have always been taught/told that if you don't vote you have no right or reason to complain about who is in office, VOTING is how you complain or express your free speech to keep the person you do not want out, not voting is a cop out

424 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:10pm

re: #379 Cartman

Who you callin' a random poster?

Heh. I didn't want to name names. Cognito and I had a discussion about this the other day. I honestly don't think he gets it. But you're right - fingernails on a chalk board.

425 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:12pm

re: #397 Silhouette

He didn't give them in 1776. They were there all along.

We as people have a right to be free. People have just been enslaving others unjustly for most of history.

well said. you got it in a nutshell.

426 Timbre  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:13pm

re: #57 Miss Trixie

As a Canucksicle closely following this election, I am more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

My head tells me all will be well and Johnnie Mac & Sarah will persevere in a landslide.

And my heart thumps double-time in the excitement of it all.

I wish I could vote ...

You can vote...in south Chicago...for Obama.
/sarc

427 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:24pm

re: #383 spidly

endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

Gee, is that a direct quote?

/wink

428 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:28pm

re: #418 buzzsawmonkey

The Constitution is not a divine document.

429 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:40pm

re: #348 Silhouette

There you go again, being all factual and what-not and ruining a perfectly good bigoted hissy-fit.

430 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:41pm

To all of those center-righters considering not voting:

Hi. My name's Sam. I'm a center-right atheistic agnosticish whatchamacallit. I'm also a social liberal. But if I could vote, I'd vote for McCain in a heartbeat. I'm no Sarah Palin fan, but nonetheless, McCain is enough. That dude may be old and wrinkly, but he hardly strikes me as senile. He's got character, integrity, courage, and most of all, the right policies.

I think this election has turned into a referendum on a generational shift. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Obama's generation, nor am I a fan of its attitudes toward its own country. Let's face it: Soon, "Generation Obama" is going to be running this country. I'm concerned that they're going to run it into the ground, but so be it. I believe there's still some gas in the American Century, but we need a man like John McCain to jump-start it.

Look past the religiosity and the smears and the hype, and vote for the guy who can handle the 3 AM call. And not only handle it, but handle it well. McCain has the credentials, McCain has the conservatives bona fides on the bread-and-butter issues like the economy, the war in Iraq, and government spending, and finally, McCain has got a firm command of history. If you read his books, they're full of historical anecdotes. And that is, above all, what I think qualifies him for the presidency. As cliched as it might be, those who forget the past are destined to repeat its mistakes. I can see a lot of Jimmy Carter in Obama, and I don't like it.

So if you won't vote for McCain, at least vote against Obama, please.

431 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:41pm

re: #305 witness

Our biggest worry is the fairness doctrine. We must do all we can to preserve freedom of speech. They will attempt to silence us all. We must not allow it at all costs.

If the O wins...wait for a ballot fairness initiative. Votes will no longer be done in private. There will be designated attendees in the booth with you making sure you don't have any "problems" while you vote and will immediately review and record your ballot all in the name vote integrity of course.

432 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:49pm

re: #359 imploder

If you don't believe in "God Given Rights," which really means inalienable rights, then you don't understand the basis of our Constitution.

The thrust is that there are rights that are, "natural," in other words, no human can strip you of them. Those are God Given rights.

Take a pill.

re: #360 stuiec

If they are not God-given, then they are man-given. And man can take them away. Barack Obama has said that this is his goal: to create a "Bill of Positive Rights" that in fact takes away rights such as the right to private property.

Our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence are based on the belief that our human rights are God-given. People like Sarah Palin will defend your rights on that basis -- even your right to be an atheist.

And the age-old argument goes on, with the classic false dichotomy between rights being given as the whim of a supernatural being vs. the whim of society.

The true reason rights are inalienable is because they're inherent in the nature of the individual.


---
I am a member of the smallest and most oppressed minority in history. I am an individual.

433 albusteve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:11:52pm

re: #304 mama winger

It is ! Less filling and tastes great too !

so much has been said about all of it...I'm ready or some good 'ol name callin...
Cognito is a poo butt!...not really

434 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #312 RurouniKenshin

They aren't exactly god-given then, are they? ;)

That depends on your definition of "god". For the atheist and the "non-theist" the key thought would be in the "self-evident" part of the Declaration. "Intrinsic" or Ayn Rand's "uncontingent principles" might be other terms. The point is, other humans do not grant us these "rights".

Which candidate ever indicated that they did not believe in God?

You have not indicated what damage a Palin vp or potus would do. I don't think there is anything you can point to.

435 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:31pm

I think I'm going to enjoy election night.

436 winston06  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:32pm

Obama's presidency will be a tragic disaster for the entire universe

437 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:37pm

re: #366 Racer X

Cognito my friend, review your posts here today. Once again you pick some random poster and you proceed to "educate them" on the most trivial thing. Your tone smacks of condescension. You do not have conversations, you bicker. Do you know you do this? I think not.

I see why you really rub some people the wrong way.

I think that is pretty well stated.

438 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:37pm

re: #405 arethusa

That's better odds than the Neilson polls. I don't like bb but I'll make sure to look at who wins the game tonight!

439 sarr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:12:41pm

Ya just gotta love Zombie..don't ya!

440 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:14pm

re: #407 imploder

I think the rights of Americans will change under a Barack administration. I think there will be a concerted effort to change the Constitution.

Thankfully, the Constitution is the last bastion. To change it, the bar is incredibly high. 2/3rds majority in every states senate to ratify an amendment.

It may be this bit of genius in our Founder's foresight that saves us from ourselves.

there's the rub. a couple more ginsburgs on the scotus and the constitution say whatever they want it to say. the law does not mean squat to the lefties.

441 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:31pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

...And if the Constitution is god given then how could Obama take it away from you?

Rights are God given. The Constitution enumerated them and presented them as a basis for our country's founding.

Are you being purposely difficult tonight?

442 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:32pm

re: #400 Cognito

All I'm gonna say is good luck to you.

443 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:47pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I think the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

444 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:13:52pm

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

I resemble that!

445 Random63  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:09pm

re: #229 RurouniKenshin

I think Obama will win. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but I think he's going to win.
Fact is, when I voted this year, I only voted for the local stuff. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the two big parties.

If McCain wasn't running with Palin, I'd vote for him, but she represents everything I detest about the Right. Being a Center-Right Atheist, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sarah Palin.

Likewise for Obama, I simply cannot vote for him, I see him as a demagogue in the purest sense.


Hey I'm a conservative atheist and I have NO problem voting for Governor Palin.

446 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:10pm

re: #318 Pullus Iulius

The latter should be fine in any state. There's usually an "X# of yards from the polling place" ordinance in effect. For the former, it can vary from state to state. Unless you have definitive information from your Board of Elections, I'd say pass on the shirt. Or wear a jacket over it. We need your vote.

Thank you. Good advice. I'll call the local GOP HQ. My four member, GOP voting family will be there with bells on.

447 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:12pm

BBL

448 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:27pm

Vote Obama!

/because sticking your finger into a live light socket can be lots of fun

449 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:29pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

I think I'm going to enjoy election night.

Sometimes you are a butt, Killgore.

Not a pain in the butt. The actual butt itself.

450 mfarmer1  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:37pm

re: #369 Outrider

Yet another Eyore that has been here for a couple of years and has a low comment count. Thanks-you've spread your depression. Your mission is done.

How much have you put into Charles' tip jar Sparky?

451 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:43pm

re: #442 Racer X

All I'm gonna say is good luck to you.

Sounds good.

In the meantime, if you disagree with what I've said, by all means say so.

Otherwise I'll duck out for a while, before I'm accused of diverting the thread.

452 musicman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:44pm
453 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:58pm

These Political Predators have been operating right under our noses for years. We thought they were mostly like the Code Pinkos - and the foul Kos. But like Ayers they were grooming very young children, backing unions so that schools would produce a permanent dependent class of O-bots.

We never appreciated how vile and virulent they were because we weren't paying close enough attention. Now we will become experts and we will eventually defeat our overlords - maybe this time - but absolutely the next. This is good for us.

454 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:14:59pm

re: #445 Random63

I really don't see the problem with her. Oh well, to each his own.

455 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:15:28pm

re: #431 brickthruplateglasswindow

I foresee a time when all conservative voices are silenced. We will need to meet in secret. Charles, will you host these meetings at your house?

456 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:15:47pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I did the same thing and luckily you aren't in charge of free speech rights. Non-voters have the same right to complain as everybody else.

Absolutely right.

It's just that they're too stupid, too pusillanimous or too divorced from reality to DO anything about what they complain about.

457 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:15:53pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

Slavery was considered constitutional for about the first 100 years.

slavery was constitutional by design. a sacrifice in order to build a union. a mechanism to change that was included and the 2/3 value of a slave in the census was to lessen the power of slave states that it might be changed sooner rather than later.

458 Geepers  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:05pm

redc1c4 (#402),

because he's actually an Obamtron posting here to cause trouble?

That's what I'm sensing, yes.

459 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:06pm

Allright!
I'm getting PISSED!
I'm not a nice person when I'm PISSED!

460 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:12pm

re: #451 Cognito

Is there any chance "a while" can be measured in years?

461 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:33pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

Slavery was considered constitutional for about the first 100 years.

And Rome, Egypt, the Ottoman Empire, etc. along with most civilizations until about the late 1700s built their empires on slavery also. Where are they today? We changed that with blood and lives here in America. Most countries did not pay that price, we did, they just failed.

462 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:34pm

re: #258 Cartman

You're a fuckin' horse's ass. You always have been one, and you always will be one. Piss off.

Cartman, quit beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel, dude. ; )

463 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:36pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

...And if the Constitution is god given then how could Obama take it away from you?

Alienate your rights? He can't. Violate them? Yes.

The difference between them is that even if your rights are violated, you're still in the right, so they haven't been alienated.

464 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:39pm

re: #451 Cognito


Otherwise I'll duck out for a while, before I'm accused of diverting the thread.

It's a thread on who will win. By definition you haven't diverted it.

465 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:42pm
466 BigJohn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:16:42pm

re: #392 buzzdroid

big difference to 96 though - clinton was in the middle of the 90s boom.

obama is facing the biggest global meltdown (possibly) since the 1930s...

and we all know what happened when a messiah got elected in the 1930s.

That is what I explain to people that say they want to go back to the Good Ole Days of Clinton. The technology boom was so great, not even higher taxes and policy anchors on the economy could slow it down. Clinton could not have screwed it up if he wanted to.

467 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:17:05pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

Slavery was considered constitutional for about the first 100 years.

I could list more injustices than that, and not limited to the US or to pre-1865.

But it does not negate for one moment what we said. The right to be free is the default state.

Governments don't give us the right to free speech. Or to freedom of religion. We simply have them. The Constitution doesn't give us those rights. It only warns the government that it cannot take them away.

And not just the US. Everyone on the planet has the right to be free. It is just that those rights are ignored by thugs and despots, and have been from time immemorial.

468 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:17:14pm

re: #302 gregg

Not only do I have to put up with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers, I have to live with the WWWD (What Would Wellstone Do?) stickers. Also, why is it that liberals can't put one bumper sticker on their car and be done with it? My neighbor has six Obama stickers on her car.

OCD and they've discovered that the more bumper stickers a car has the more likely the driver is to exhibit antisocial behaviors.

469 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:17:26pm

re: #432 gmsc

And the age-old argument goes on, with the classic false dichotomy between rights being given as the whim of a supernatural being vs. the whim of society.

The true reason rights are inalienable is because they're inherent in the nature of the individual.


--- -
I am a member of the smallest and most oppressed minority in history. I am an individual.

Dude, that's the point I was making, whether or not you believe in a higher entity, it does not change the nature of natural rights. Natural rights are what is considered right by a common culture and bond lasting nigh on three centuries. You are secure in your home, no one will put soldiers there, you can speak your mind without restriction, the press can publish what they believe, you have a right to a firearm to protect yourself and your family.

It's easy to write this shit off, and with mission creep, much of our rights have been encroached upon, but no one would deny they exist after reading our founding documents.

470 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:00pm

re: #383 spidly

endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

but you left out the preamble
"We hold these truths to be self evident"...

clever guys those founding fathers. you can read what you like into it , religious or non-religious.

471 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:20pm

re: #459 reloadingisnotahobby

Allright!
I'm getting PISSED!
I'm not a nice person when I'm PISSED!

We wouldn't like you when you're angry?

472 winston06  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:21pm

McCain 2008

473 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:31pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

The Constitution is not a divine document.

Even though it mentions the Lord in it?

(OK, it's "in the year of our Lord")

474 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:40pm

re: #465 Iron Fist

If that day comes, I will march on Washington. I hope you all join me.

475 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:44pm

re: #472 winston06

Walken 2012

476 bj  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:46pm

I so do not want the obamanation as president of our beautiful country but the way this question is phrased, I had to answer him over McCain because of the polls and media.

Please G-d let me be the victim of believing a virulently biased media because their numbers do not give McCain that much of a chance. I voted McCain the first day, in the first hour of early voting in my state.

477 jcbunga  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:48pm

Well here we go again. What will we have upon us at this time tomorrow? Here is some wisdom from one of my favorite hot heads, Samuel Adams--

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

Whatever happens, I have to believe it will all be OK. Maybe later rather than sooner, but eventually it will work itself out.

God Bless America.

478 summergurl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:18:56pm

re: #401 DistantThunder

Are the pollsters factoring in the fear factor that people are genuinely afraid to tell strangers that they are not voting for the "king"?

Not a fear of looking bad, but a fear of triggering some punishment, either to their person, property or reputation? I think we know that the Democrat "operatives" are thugs.

I think what happens is that Mac supporters tend to refuse to participate in polls whereas Obama supporters love to spout their allegiance. When the brown shirts aren't looking we will be in our booths selecting McCain/Plain.

479 BigJohn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:19:27pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

...And if the Constitution is god given then how could Obama take it away from you?

Remember, "God watches out for little children, fools, drunks and the United States of America."

480 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:19:42pm

re: #448 Killian Bundy

Vote Obama!

/because sticking your finger into a live light socket can be lots of fun

And skyrocketly expensive soon.

481 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:19:43pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

...And if the Constitution is god given then how could Obama take it away from you?

Why is it that I get the sense that at some point in your life you became bitter and angry at the world but you weren't always this way? Maybe someone did you wrong and hurt you badly. There are times when you lash out so strongly against everything good and decent and seem not to appreciate, nor care to, the blessings of this great country you live in.

482 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:20:11pm

re: #451 Cognito

Do many of us here a favor, and don't bother coming back. Your ultimate contribution to LGF. The gift that keeps on giving.

483 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:20:40pm

re: #477 jcbunga

Well here we go again. What will we have upon us at this time tomorrow? Here is some wisdom from one of my favorite hot heads, Samuel Adams--

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

Whatever happens, I have to believe it will all be OK. Maybe later rather than sooner, but eventually it will work itself out.

God Bless America.

Toast Sam Adams with Sam Adams!

484 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:20:56pm

re: #477 jcbunga

Well here we go again. What will we have upon us at this time tomorrow? Here is some wisdom from one of my favorite hot heads, Samuel Adams--

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

Whatever happens, I have to believe it will all be OK. Maybe later rather than sooner, but eventually it will work itself out.

God Bless America.

As an Adams I'd like to claim Samuel as an ancestor, but to date I have not been able to.

485 albusteve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:21:13pm

hmm..."The Butt Itself"...

thinking I like it in some instances...I like you Killgore butt stop fiddlin around!...jus kidding

486 happyhiker  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:21:16pm

virgin post.
busy mopping up eggshells and serving up drinks.
the poll made me smile, ahhh to be among friends.
been laughing at lizard posts for years. thank you all.
I'll try...
obama lies, he said all we know how to say is Mercy boo coo
thats a lie, everybody I know says Suck lay blah.

487 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:21:29pm

re: #470 buzzdroid

but you left out the preamble
"We hold these truths to be self evident"...

clever guys those founding fathers. you can read what you like into it , religious or non-religious.

self evident that there is a creator?

488 jcbunga  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:04pm

re: #482 Cartman

Do many of us here a favor, and don't bother coming back. Your ultimate contribution to LGF. The gift that keeps on giving.

...and perhaps THAT will teach you to respect AUTHORI-TAH!

489 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:14pm

re: #469 imploder

Dude, that's the point I was making, whether or not you believe in a higher entity, it does not change the nature of natural rights. Natural rights are what is considered right by a common culture and bond lasting nigh on three centuries. You are secure in your home, no one will put soldiers there, you can speak your mind without restriction, the press can publish what they believe, you have a right to a firearm to protect yourself and your family.

It's easy to write this shit off, and with mission creep, much of our rights have been encroached upon, but no one would deny they exist after reading our founding documents.

and what's scarey is that you are potentially going to have the first U.S. president that really wants to tear up those documents.

this is a guy that studied Marxism, neo-colonialism and black liberation theology. NOT the founding fathers.

490 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:16pm

re: #480 Silhouette

And skyrocketly expensive soon.

A flash of bluish-white light, loud bang, and some smoke roiling off of the stub once called a finger. Pretty impressive when you do it on a 480 line.

491 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:25pm

re: #486 happyhiker

virgin post.
.


Oooh, ooohh, oohh, aaahhh!

Done!

Enjoy?

492 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:27pm

re: #432 gmsc

And the age-old argument goes on, with the classic false dichotomy between rights being given as the whim of a supernatural being vs. the whim of society.

The true reason rights are inalienable is because they're inherent in the nature of the individual.

What happens when one individual asserts rights that infringe on the welfare of another individual? If the rights of each are inherent in himself, how can one or the other assert a superior claim? Is not Ted Bundy's right to self-actualization through rape and murder equally valid to his victim's right to survival?

493 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:22:55pm

re: #436 winston06

Obama's presidency will be a tragic disaster for the entire universe

Are you listening to Michael Savage right now, too? He and a guest are pretty much predicting your comment. They ended the segment with the thought - those who currently think Obama is more like FDR than Chavez will be the first thrown under the Obama bus. Yikes.

494 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:25pm

OT -

I just got a message from McCain HQ saying I am to set up my cell phone for text messaging every 30 minutes into the campaign tomorrow.

HELP !

I have never texted anything in my life! Is it hard ? How did I do it? !

495 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:28pm

I am harboring the flame of hope that McCain wins tomorrow. I have given money, had a bumper sticker, told my friends, and now I will vote. Within the limits of my job, I've done all I can.

I'll also be liveblogging if anything happens weird here in the People's Republic of St. Louis if the Messiah loses. I don't THINK anything will happen, but I'm clinging to Mr. Mossberg just in case.

496 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:23:35pm

re: #489 buzzdroid

and what's scarey is that you are potentially going to have the first U.S. president that really wants to tear up those documents.

this is a guy that studied Marxism, neo-colonialism and black liberation theology. NOT the founding fathers.

We now know what he studied at Haaavard.

497 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #383 spidly

endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11, as signed by President and Found Father John Adams

498 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #493 bosforus

Are you listening to Michael Savage right now, too? He and a guest are pretty much predicting your comment. They ended the segment with the thought - those DEMOCRATS who currently think Obama is more like FDR than Chavez will be the first thrown under the Obama bus. Purging. Yikes.

499 Penguinchic  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:24:28pm

I have seen a lot of posts asking questions about wearing clothing supporting a candidate to the polls. Here is my answer.

I work the polls in Tennessee and I am sure that these rules are the same throughout the states. You may not wear anything that promotes an candidate within 100 feet of the polls. Please do not do so just to bring attention to your candidate. We are going to be working from about an hour before the polls open until about an hour after the last person votes. We are going to be tired and worn out trying to get everyone through the process very quickly. We do not need to have to make sure people cover up anything they are wearing concerning a candidate. I have heard where people have had to find a place to turn their shirt inside out or to find tape to put over their clothes to cover up their shirt. Just remember that usually polls are also understaffed so you are just pulling people away from doing their job. I don't mean to sound harsh, but it is going to be a hard day for poll workers trying to handle the usual problems, please don't put more on us on this very busy day.

Here are a couple of notes to remember. Check the poster that posts the laws in your poll site to make sure that these fit your state, like I mentioned, I just know these are correct for Tennessee.

1) If you are over 75, you can go to the front of the line.
2) If you see anyone campaigning with 100 feet of the entrance report them to the poll workers. There should be a sign that marks the 100 foot spot.
3) Report anything that you see that does not follow the laws posted to the election board.

500 The Other Les  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:24:46pm

re: #475 NYCHardhat

Walken 2012

More cowbell!

501 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:24:57pm

re: #449 mama winger

Sometimes you are a butt, Killgore.

Not a pain in the butt. The actual butt itself.

That explains the smell.

502 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #493 bosforus

Are you listening to Michael Savage right now, too? He and a guest are pretty much predicting your comment. They ended the segment with the thought - those who currently think Obama is more like FDR than Chavez will be the first thrown under the Obama bus. Yikes.

Please tell me "no"

Micheal J Savage was the first Labout Prime Minister of NZ back in the 30's (1935)
The stealth of creeping socialism, he's not back is he?

503 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:16pm

re: #489 buzzdroid

and what's scarey is that you are potentially going to have the first U.S. president that really wants to tear up those documents.

this is a guy that studied Marxism, neo-colonialism and black liberation theology. NOT the founding fathers.

Not to mention he was a Constitutional scholar or lawyer or lecturer or what have you. He's read the documents.

504 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:20pm

A letter to the editor from a Cuban American... Re: Obama and "Change!"

505 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:38pm

re: #468 Perplexed

OCD and they've discovered that the more bumper stickers a car has the more likely the driver is to exhibit antisocial behaviors.

I have noticed that cars with a lot bumper stickers have terrible drivers. ;-)

506 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:44pm

re: #494 mama winger

Remember the Obama supporter that wouldn't help his mother with text messaging?

507 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:25:55pm

re: #495 Palandine

Who is your dear friend Mr. Mossberg?

508 albusteve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:26:01pm

re: #481 rightymouse

Why is it that I get the sense that at some point in your life you became bitter and angry at the world but you weren't always this way? Maybe someone did you wrong and hurt you badly. There are times when you lash out so strongly against everything good and decent and seem not to appreciate, nor care to, the blessings of this great country you live in.

I thought it was a honest question myself...not to be a suck up but Killgore is an option to be considered...he's not lashing that stongly here

509 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:26:15pm

re: #436 winston06

Obama's presidency will be a tragic disaster for the entire universe

Or even more widespread than that.

510 Timbre  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #492 stuiec

I think your question was rhetorical, but the way I see it, the right to life precedes the right to self-actualization. One has to be alive before he or she can be or do anything else. Therefore, I posit, one has a right to not be murdered. I am, therefore I have an intrinsic right to be.

511 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:26:25pm

re: #494 mama winger

Yup, easier than anything. Just use they keypad. So, if you wanted to type an 'n', you'd hit the '6' button twice.

512 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:04pm

re: #481 rightymouse

Just having a logical and reasonable discussion about the Constitution and the nature of human rights. I find it interesting. I'm sorry you don't like it.

513 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:05pm

I have to go, but I will watching and will hold you all up in my prayers, that God will, Himself, inspire voters to ensure Obama is NOT the next POTUS.

514 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:12pm
515 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:14pm

Not to worry. If Obama is elected, there will be world peace by 2021.

And they'll send you a bumpersticker for free that proclaims it.

516 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:18pm

re: #494 mama winger

OT -

I just got a message from McCain HQ saying I am to set up my cell phone for text messaging every 30 minutes into the campaign tomorrow.

HELP !

I have never texted anything in my life! Is it hard ? How did I do it? !

:) You can send texts to yourself to practice. Two important texting modes are "predictive" and "manual". You'll have to find the key on your keypad that allows you to select these (and a few other) modes. Predictive text allows you to press the numbers with the letters and it will predict which word you're trying to type. When this proves unsuccessful, you can switch to manual and press the key the number of times needed to get to the letter you want.

517 spirochete  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:28pm

re: #479 BigJohn

Remember, "God watches out for little children, fools, drunks and the United States of America."

Bismarck?

518 Truck Monkey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:27:32pm

re: #475 NYCHardhat

Walken 2012

If The One wins we'll all be Walkin' by 2012

519 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:00pm

re: #494 mama winger

OT -

I just got a message from McCain HQ saying I am to set up my cell phone for text messaging every 30 minutes into the campaign tomorrow.

HELP !

I have never texted anything in my life! Is it hard ? How did I do it? !

Most cell phones have a menu with a "Messages" or "Inbox" option. After that it depends, are you supposed to message them?

What kind of phone do you have?

520 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:01pm

re: #505 gregg

I have noticed that cars with a lot bumper stickers have terrible drivers. ;-)

Yes, self-serving assholes tend to interact poorly with others on public thoroughfares. I agree with this assessment.

521 JohnnyReb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:18pm

re: #499 Penguinchic

It is 75 feet here in CT. The line is clearly marked in the Fire station parking lot at my polling place.

522 Gitarzan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:22pm

re: #502 A Kiwi Infidel

Please tell me "no"

Micheal J Savage was the first Labout Prime Minister of NZ back in the 30's (1935)
The stealth of creeping socialism, he's not back is he?

No...this Michael Savage.

523 Vergeltung  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:29pm

re: #418 buzzsawmonkey

And your point?

it's always a labor to figure that out. and then there's the relevance part. ;)

524 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:36pm

re: #516 bosforus

:) You can send texts to yourself to practice. Two important texting modes are "predictive" and "manual". You'll have to find the key on your keypad that allows you to select these (and a few other) modes. Predictive text allows you to press the numbers with the letters and it will predict which word you're trying to type. When this proves unsuccessful, you can switch to manual and press the key the number of times needed to get to the letter you want.

o noes

525 tommygum  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:28:51pm

re: #196 brickthruplateglasswindow

What rules set you using? Haven't played microarmor in years.

"The Marquis of Queensbury rules will be observed at all times."

Micheleen Flynn.

526 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:04pm

re: #517 spirochete

Bismarck?

Bismarck was from what is now currently Rhineland-Pfalz. Or was the Zeppelin, or both?

527 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:10pm

re: #492 stuiec

What happens when one individual asserts rights that infringe on the welfare of another individual? If the rights of each are inherent in himself, how can one or the other assert a superior claim? Is not Ted Bundy's right to self-actualization through rape and murder equally valid to his victim's right to survival?

White = wrong in every case
Male = wrong most of the time especially when dealing with the environment and women
Women = wrong if conservative
Minority = right most of the time especially if female
Conservative = see white
Liberal = see minority


/sarcasm

528 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:16pm

re: #520 imploder

Yes, self-serving assholes tend to interact poorly with others on public thoroughfares. I agree with this assessment.

most likely to snake the parking spot you've been waiting for patiently.

529 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:29pm

re: #519 arethusa

Most cell phones have a menu with a "Messages" or "Inbox" option. After that it depends, are you supposed to message them?

What kind of phone do you have?

Yes - I am supposed to message them now to activate, and then I am supposed to text them every 30 minutes tomorrow.

o noes

530 Lee Coller  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:42pm

re: #515 Silhouette

Not to worry. If Obama is elected, there will be world peace by 2021.

And they'll send you a bumpersticker for free that proclaims it.

World Peace or Freedom? I know what I choose.

531 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:29:58pm

re: #514 mama winger

This is what it says - How do I do it?

HELP

I HAVZ TEH DUMZ

1) Find your message menu. Select compose.
2) Enter the text they give you.
3) Finish, it will then ask for the number.
4) Type in that number. Should be set up then.

532 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:07pm

re: #502 A Kiwi Infidel

Please tell me "no"

Micheal J Savage was the first Labout Prime Minister of NZ back in the 30's (1935)
The stealth of creeping socialism, he's not back is he?

I don't think so. The Michael Savage I'm referring to is a rather controversial (bringing his name up here brings up varying opinions) libertarian right of center radio talk show host.
Link to streaming audio of his show currently in progress.

533 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:07pm

re: #496 Perplexed

We now know what he studied at Haaavard.

its the bit at Columbia University tre: #503 imploder

Not to mention he was a Constitutional scholar or lawyer or lecturer or what have you. He's read the documents.

so what? in order to overthrow the enemy, you have to understand their system. (at it was at Columbia University that he mixed with the Marxist radicals and black liberation types)

Denis Praeger studied Soviet Politics and Russian, and he isnt exactly a communist, is he?

534 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:16pm

re: #514 mama winger

re: #516 bosforus

:) You can send texts to yourself to practice. Two important texting modes are "predictive" and "manual". \

I "PREDICT" Mama will "MANUAL'ly mess it up!

/duckin

535 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:18pm

I wonder how long it will take to lift the Cuban embargo (get us some of that good health care) under a BO regime and also make Pyongyang a sister city with DC.

536 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:20pm

OKAy

I can do this
I can do this


I am going to go practice texting to save America

bbiab

537 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:22pm
538 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:24pm

re: #530 Lee Coller

World Peace or Freedom? I know what I choose.

Mr. Henry, is that you?

539 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:34pm

re: #515 Silhouette

Not to worry. If Obama is elected, there will be world peace by 2021.

And they'll send you a bumpersticker for free that proclaims it.

Isn't that when the Dar-al-Harb becomes the Dar-al-Islam?

/

540 jcbunga  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:45pm

Some philosophical comments have crept in...this should help: (Rene Descartes was a drunken fart...)

541 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:45pm

re: #530 Lee Coller

World Peace or Freedom? I know what I choose.

well, the extinction of all forms of life is one way to achieve peace

542 Lorenska  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:50pm

re: #420 Silhouette

I agree, but I don't think they'll try to pass amendments.

They'll just ignore/disobey what it says. And imagine things there that it doesn't.

I absolutely couldn't agree more - and the stuff they can't get away with ignoring, they'll 're-interpret' on the new and improved supreme court. Obama's already made it clear that he plans to pack the court with those empathetic to the down-trodden...never mind those who have great legal minds or understand constitutional law. SCOTUS has become nothing but an instrument of the party in power, using THEIR power to run the country as they see fit---it all comes down to 9 people, people the president has the power to seat, and suddenly, the constitution can say whatever they want it to say. All nice and legal-like.

543 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:30:57pm

re: #375 redc1c4

so if someone isn't a member of your religion, you won't vote for them?

how delightfully open minded of you...

(and people think Christians are fanatics. ) %-

I don't think this guy can engage in serious conversation. What he has said is equivalent to simple name-calling. (Palin is stupid.) I don't think his take on what he regards as superstition takes in the issue of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or the fact that the majority of scientists and intellectuals of the past believed in God, including Charles Darwin. This is not an educated person, but a person whose "atheism" is mere social posturing rather than anything they have thought out in depth.

How do I know all this RurouniKenshin? Because you have nothing to say about the simplest of questions: What damge would Sarah Palin do?

544 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:06pm

re: #455 witness

I foresee a time when all conservative voices are silenced. We will need to meet in secret. Charles, will you host these meetings at your house?

i say we meet at the local shooting range!

(oh, wait a minute... nevermind. %-)

545 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:06pm

re: #492 stuiec

What happens when one individual asserts rights that infringe on the welfare of another individual? If the rights of each are inherent in himself, how can one or the other assert a superior claim? Is not Ted Bundy's right to self-actualization through rape and murder equally valid to his victim's right to survival?

There is only one way to violate someone else's rights, and that is by the initiation of physical force. If you initiate force against someone else to achieve your ends, you are, by definition, violating their rights.

Ted Bundy initiated force against the victims he raped and murdered by definition. Their rights were violated by Ted Bundy, but he didn't alienate them (in other words, they're still in the right.)

Note that this is distinct from the retaliatory use of physical force, which is the basis of the right of self-defense.

Interesting that you should mention survival - as that is why man needs rights. People must be free to think, as well as act on their thinking, if they are to survive as individuals.

546 J.S.  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:21pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Killgore, I think you need to take a refresher course with respect to the Foundations underpinning the U.S. Constitution...When one states that a right is inalienable -- it means that man cannot take that right away...it's above the ability of a mere human -- it means it's a "g-d given" right. This is done so that you don't get tampering by people -- in other words, say, a King (self proclaimed or through inheritance) suddenly decreeing that the only person who's allowed "free speech" is the King and his immediate family. That would be a violation of the U.S. understanding of an "inalienable" (cannot be taken away) right of U.S. citizens.

I have a law text (for lay persons) written for Canadians...It's quite old, I keep it around to review it periodically...(published back in the 1970s). In this text there's an entire chapter on "Our Conditional Rights." And the authors discuss how a Canadian's "rights" can be suspended...The authors write: "In times of war or national emergency, just about all our rights can be suspended." The next chapter deals with (get this): "When Rights are Suspended." omg...(as an American citizen, can you picture my dismay?) But this is standard fare throughout the world...with ONE EXCEPTION. Can you guess which nation is exceptional? (And have you read yet "The Genius of America?")

547 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:25pm

re: #489 buzzdroid

He claims he is a constitutional advocate. I think he HAS studied it carefully judging his statements about using legislation rather than the courts.
I think he has already figured how to ADD to the constitution to reinterpret it's meaning.

548 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:40pm

re: #524 mama winger

o noes

Like I said, send a few texts to yourself for practice. I'm sure you'll do fine and in no time you'll be texting and driving like you wouldn't believe!

549 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:31:47pm

You have to realize that I don't even know how to listen to my messages ...


i can do this
i can do this

bbiab

550 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:32:05pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

The topic seems to be making some people angry. We'll debate this another time.

551 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:32:46pm

re: #95 mama winger

I will not be here tomorrow. I report to my polling station and will be guarding against voter fraud from 6:30 Am till they close up for the night, whenever that may be.

I am going to pack a bag full of snacks, soft drinks, my cell phone, my election book, my notebook, my Vote Fraud Hotline number and my big ol' Bible.

I have a red white and blue shirt. I am going to wear it with the biggest cross I own around my neck. I am going to wear all of my 'Support the Troops buttons.' I am going to smile and glare as much as it takes to get my polling station over the line for McCain.

Without violating any election laws of course.

I will hear no news till I get home. If McCain wins before then, somebody throw up a smoke signal and aim it towards Wisconsin.


And all this time I thought I was the only Conservative in WI

552 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:32:56pm

re: #533 buzzdroid

so what? in order to overthrow the enemy, you have to understand their system. (at it was at Columbia University that he mixed with the Marxist radicals and black liberation types)

Denis Praeger studied Soviet Politics and Russian, and he isnt exactly a communist, is he?

So did Condi Rice. Obama either didn't learn much at Harvard or he learned enough to eat away at the pillars of our society.

553 big L  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:07pm

Quixk, let's send this in to Wolf Blitzer. He can take the dress down from his head...Anothe Poll showing M'Cain losing! But Wait, there's more~: M'Cain is not losing,O what to do, what to do!

554 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:16pm

re: #443 Ojoe

I think the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

lol,
that is perfect.
i love it.

555 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:17pm

re: #495 Palandine

The Mossberg clan gets around. One of his brothers will be staying up late with me, along with our mutual friend, Comrade Simonov. A jolly trio we shall be.

556 Sarr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:21pm

Speaking of polls, I just read an article where nudists are demanding nude polling places. NOW LET ME SAY FOLKS, "I am not much of a volunteer, but i have decide this would be a great opportunity to do my civic duty and become a poll watcher or volunteer in some capacity to help my country"...

557 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:32pm

re: #492 stuiec

What happens when one individual asserts rights that infringe on the welfare of another individual? If the rights of each are inherent in himself, how can one or the other assert a superior claim? Is not Ted Bundy's right to self-actualization through rape and murder equally valid to his victim's right to survival?

There are positive and negative rights. A negative right is a mandate on society and government to not disrupt that which is a right. In other words, the negative right protects a person's existence, thoughts, activities if they are legal, etc.

Bundy clearly violated someone's negative right to not be harmed at someone's whim. Boiling it down, snuffing out someone's right deprives them of the pursuit of happiness, wouldn't you agree?

558 big L  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:33:56pm

530-Lee-- Whirled Peas.

559 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:20pm

This is good.

Monday Afternoon Rant

560 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:21pm

re: #373 buzzdroid

you dont have to - the founding fathers genius was not that rights were God given - but that they were "inalienable".

as natural as gravity. or the air we breathe. "inalienable" is the key here.

dont forget that Jefferson was a deist (although i think he was actually atheist or at least agnostic)

God given, I believe, is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, and if I'm wrong about that, then I'm just wrong. God given, or inalienable, the point is the same...something BEYOND the power of men in charge at the time gives the rest of us rights that CAN'T be taken away HAS to be the cornerstone of our freedoms. Otherwise, even in a democracy, the best you can hope for is that 49% of the populace will always be enslaved by the majority of 51%. God forbid, I don't want to make this a theological argument. I tend to be agnostic myself, and my belief in an Almighty (or lack of one) tends to grow or shrink depending on the day I'm having. And my LACK of understanding on this issue makes me fairly tolerant of ALL points of view on the matter. But my tolerance of atheists runs short when talking about politics, ESPECIALLY in the matter of rights, because if you leave that up to man, you'll always be wanting

561 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:29pm

re: #507 callahan23

Who is your dear friend Mr. Mossberg?

12-gauge, loaded with six of the manliest shells I can find in the homestead, with a "sock" around the stock that holds 6 more. :) He's my buddy.

I am Jane the Korean Grocer

562 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:39pm

re: #557 imploder

Boiling it down, snuffing out someone's right deprives them of the pursuit of happiness, wouldn't you agree?

He certainly stepped all over their rights to life and liberty, too.

563 We need G.C. Scott  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:47pm

re: #323 mfarmer1

This election eve has the feel of the 1996 campaign. While hope remains that the polls are way off and McCain somehow pulls off a victory, the likelihood is more along the lines of a 1996-style 379-159 landslide by Obama. Conservative radio talk shows over the last few days remind me greatly of those in the days leading up to the Clinton/Dole contest.

We'll know in a little more than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe Obama ends up being a good President because he is forced to be and has to toss a ton of even more stuff underneath the bus, including much of his insane leftist nonsense for a more pragmatic approach.

I wish the victor the best of luck, he's going to need it.


With a majority, possibly filibuster proof congress, just exactly what pray-tell
shall "force" him to be "a good President"? The will of the people? Please, it's getting near dinner time nationally, let's not overwhelm emergency rooms with busted guts on election eve.

564 The Shadow Do  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:53pm

Great night to pop in for a read. Kilgore has his sharp stick out poking the Lizard faithful, and Cartman unleashed a might blast on Cognito!

Kilgore, as you know the country's founding documents did not properly address the slavery issue but was, sadly, a testament to political expediency - with an opening for future redressment, effectively kicking the can down the road until 1861. Not perfect, not divine, but a damn good start.

Cartman,...I am Cartman!

565 BigJohn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:34:55pm

re: #517 spirochete

Bismarck?

I have seen it attributed to Churchill but I don't think it is correct. I think Bismarck said it this way. "There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America."

566 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:35:50pm

re: #474 witness

If that day comes, I will march on Washington. I hope you all join me.

bad strategy... make them come to you, just like the redcoats had to go to Lexington & Concord. logistical lines make the best targets.

like the inside joke about the M1 Abrams:

"What's the most vulnerable point on the M1?"
"The HMMET fueler in the LOGPAC convoy..." %-)

/white smoke
Scouts Out!

567 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:36:21pm

re: #443 Ojoe

I think the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

Yeah, Good.

568 The Other Les  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:36:22pm

re: #515 Silhouette

Not to worry. If Obama is elected, there will be world peace by 2021.

And they'll send you a bumpersticker for free that proclaims it.

Exploiting children as usual.

Peace activists are the political equivalent of the asshole who tells a rape victim to lay back and enjoy it.

(Charles, as usual, if this is going too far then go ahead and delete it.)

569 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:36:27pm

Am I seeing the argument advanced that Obama is actually a strict constructionist who has been hiding among afro-centric marxists, like some Justice Thomas Brigade sleeper agent?

570 greenmiler  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:36:44pm

I want to dance with you too, mama

571 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:00pm

re: #560 Boolz

I always found the brilliance of the founding fathers that they made sure this was not to be a democracy, with the theory that in a true democracy, you could have 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner

572 big L  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:06pm

535 BAka- isn't D. C. already like Pyongyang
/lights-out Obama...

573 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:07pm

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

574 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:13pm

re: #450 mfarmer1

Yet another Eyore that has been here for a couple of years and has a low comment count. Thanks-you've spread your depression. Your mission is done.


How much have you put into Charles' tip jar Sparky?

uh...What? What in the bloody hell has that got to do with my remark? Or yours? Sparky.

575 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:14pm

re: #569 spidly

Am I seeing the argument advanced that Obama is actually a strict constructionist who has been hiding among afro-centric marxists, like some Justice Thomas Brigade sleeper agent?

I don't know. Are you seeing that?

576 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #443 Ojoe

I think the Constitution is ultimately rifles muskets and a desire for freedom.

577 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #569 spidly

Am I seeing the argument advanced that Obama is actually a strict constructionist who has been hiding among afro-centric marxists, like some Justice Thomas Brigade sleeper agent?

I like your sense of humor. Dark and twisted.

578 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:53pm

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT BE LETTERS AND NOT NUMBERS !?

579 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:37:55pm

I see that some of the "polls" today continued to insist that 0bama enjoys up to a 15 pct. pt. lead over McCain among "likely voters". What a crock.

580 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:01pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

The other 85% will vote tomorrow.

581 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:03pm

re: #536 mama winger

I am going to go practice texting to save America

Nominated for rotating title!

582 [deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:09pm
583 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:16pm

re: #532 bosforus

I don't think so. The Michael Savage I'm referring to is a rather controversial (bringing his name up here brings up varying opinions) libertarian right of center radio talk show host.
Link to streaming audio of his show currently in progress.

Why would anyone listen to Savage when Mark Levin is on the radio.

Savage is an embarassment to conservatives and the GOP.

584 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:21pm

Wow - did we have an open mic moment that I missed? Some new faces with some decidedly ridiculous leaps of logic going on in here!

Evening, Y'all!

/even when your find yourself immersed with the illogical, one must retain a sense of decorum.

585 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:22pm

re: #569 spidly

Am I seeing the argument advanced that Obama is actually a strict constructionist who has been hiding among afro-centric marxists, like some Justice Thomas Brigade sleeper agent?

Yeah, figure the odds. I think the evidence puts that to sleep pretty quickly.

Fact is, the One knows the Constitution and what it would take to subvert it.

Kind of fucked up, but fact.

586 pink freud  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:25pm

Mama Winger:

Instructions: [Link: www.wikihow.com...]

587 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:27pm

re: #560 Boolz

. But my tolerance of atheists runs short when talking about politics, ESPECIALLY in the matter of rights, because if you leave that up to man, you'll always be wanting

i know. thats why we need you religious folks around.

the founding fathers were right - religious freedom = freedom for everyone, including dissenter.

588 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:38pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

that's so 20th century!

/

589 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:40pm

re: #578 mama winger

go to send a text message in your phone menu...
then hit the numbers and you get letters instead.

590 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:38:44pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

Every one expects so many people to vote on election day, due to the nature of this race, that few want to risk getting in the election line at 7 AM in the morning and not being able to vote before the polls close, due to being too far back in line.

591 bellamags  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:00pm

I just got a robot call from Charlie Crist endorsing John McCain. The call was only about 10 seconds and it was ALL 2nd amendment. John McCain opposes waiting periods was one thing he said that I remember. That call definitely catered to the demographics for this area. he he he.

592 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:02pm

ok then i will wear them under my jacket because i do not want to be kicked out befor i can vote

re: #415 arethusa

Yes, you will have to remove them, if the polling place is enforcing the law.

593 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:11pm

re: #578 mama winger

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT BE LETTERS AND NOT NUMBERS !?

you have to find your phone's shift key, it has one, trust me!

594 Fredlike  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:17pm

I certainly would like to see a McCain win. Hopefully it is by good margins in every state he needs. I really fear a McCain electoral college victory but a loss in the popular vote, it will be chaos for weeks.

A friend went to the last Palin rally in Virginia. Stood for 6 hours to see her, but got to within 3 or 4 people in the handshaking lines afterwards and had a good view during the speech. He said the crowd was very enthused. One of the group he went with got a sign autographed. Todd was there but no kids.

595 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:17pm

ot:

I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
(BTW: is that a Hassid in the left?)

596 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:22pm

re: #578 mama winger

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT BE LETTERS AND NOT NUMBERS !?

FIRST of all, you have to be on the text messaging screen. Sounds like you might just be dialing numbers. Get to your phone's menu and there's likely something called "Messaging".

597 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:22pm

re: #465 Iron Fist

Resistance is not futile.

Never is. Even unto death. Consider the Greeks at Thermopylae.

But, of course, you know this.

How's it hangin' guy?

598 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:36pm

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

599 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:39:48pm

re: #276 Boolz

just out of curiosity...if you don't believe in God, what's your stance on God given rights?


My neighbor's Mother is the founder of Freedom From Religion, His Sister is the president and he is a life long member of the board.

I have asked him the same question on more than one occassion framing it simply "Where do the rights of Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness come from?"

Hes fun to argue with...

600 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:40:19pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

what kind of phone you got?

601 Sarr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:40:29pm

Speaking of polls, I just read an article where nudists are demanding nude polling places. NOW LET ME SAY FOLKS, "I am not much of a volunteer, but i have decide this would be a great opportunity to do my civic duty and become a poll watcher or volunteer in some capacity to help my country"...

602 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:00pm

re: #453 DistantThunder

These Political Predators have been operating right under our noses for years. We thought they were mostly like the Code Pinkos - and the foul Kos. But like Ayers they were grooming very young children, backing unions so that schools would produce a permanent dependent class of O-bots.

We never appreciated how vile and virulent they were because we weren't paying close enough attention. Now we will become experts and we will eventually defeat our overlords - maybe this time - but absolutely the next. This is good for us.

great post, you're right.
once we know, we can be ready. this is a wake up call.
in a way , just like 9-11.
who would dream that a few swarthy little shits w/ box cutters could get a way w/ such an atrocity. that will never happen again on a plane. they will be snapped in half.
and now w/ this broad awareness of acorn and the commie thugs that are plotting and conniving to destroy our country, we will mobilize. our eyes will be on them. a spot light shining. they don't stand a chance.

603 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:11pm

re: #578 mama winger

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT BE LETTERS AND NOT NUMBERS !?

keep pushing the buttons...

(kinda like being a troll here. %-)

604 GeeWiz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:13pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Your point is? Let me guess, Biden is such a wise choice. Some people need to get a clue and you're not one of them.

605 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:17pm

Spartans! Give to them nothing, but take from them EVERYTHING!

606 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:18pm

re: #590 gmsc

What type of turnout will we get...120million?

607 pink freud  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:19pm

re: #601 Sarr

Speaking of polls, I just read an article where nudists are demanding nude polling places. NOW LET ME SAY FOLKS, "I am not much of a volunteer, but i have decide this would be a great opportunity to do my civic duty and become a poll watcher or volunteer in some capacity to help my country"...

Careful what you wish for there, Sarr!

608 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:23pm

YES ! ! I MADE A LETTER !

609 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:27pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

just stick your head out the window and yell your message. Then, get in your car, windows down, and drive around town doing the same

Paul Mama Revere Winger

610 Muadib  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:34pm

re: #559 DesertSage

This is good.

Monday Afternoon Rant

Very good.

611 CapeCoddah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:40pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

Being a bit hard on yourself, dontcha think, Mama?

612 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:47pm

re: #599 fish

My neighbor's Mother is the founder of Freedom From Religion, His Sister is the president and he is a life long member of the board.

I have asked him the same question on more than one occassion framing it simply "Where do the rights of Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness come from?"

Hes fun to argue with...

Here's the proper reply. (You may want to set aside a few minutes, as this is a very thought-provoking tour.)

613 Randall Gross  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:41:58pm

re: #549 mama winger

You have to realize that I don't even know how to listen to my messages ...


i can do this
i can do this

bbiab

Mama, sorry to say I had to report you and the comment with the number in it is gone. I wouldn't share that text msg. address in public again, the other side could cause mischief sending to it.

614 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:06pm

re: #578 mama winger

If your phone is like mine, the # key lets you toggle between alphabetic caps and lower case and numeric.

615 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:07pm

re: #571 sattv4u2

I always found the brilliance of the founding fathers that they made sure this was not to be a democracy, with the theory that in a true democracy, you could have 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner

and Liberty is a well-armed sheep.

616 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:16pm

Now we know why this person wants O. Free gas, no mortgage. Hey, count me in.
617 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:34pm

re: #486 happyhiker

Welcome. What took you so long? I'll have a double Jack Daniel's straight up.

618 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:40pm

re: #443 Ojoe

I think the Constitution is ultimately rifles and a desire for freedom.

And they are working real hard to take away both from us.

I don't listen to Boortz very often, but I heard him for just a minute one day, and he said most Americans say they want to be free, but they don't mean it. To test that, ask them if they'd like social security to go away and save for retirement themselves.

We even have the state protecting us from bad hair cuts (hair stylists must be licensed).

619 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:40pm

re: #556 Sarr

Speaking of polls, I just read an article where nudists are demanding nude polling places. NOW LET ME SAY FOLKS, "I am not much of a volunteer, but i have decide this would be a great opportunity to do my civic duty and become a poll watcher or volunteer in some capacity to help my country"...

Zombie needs to address this comment.

620 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:42:50pm

re: #601 Sarr

Speaking of polls, I just read an article where nudists are demanding nude polling places. NOW LET ME SAY FOLKS, "I am not much of a volunteer, but i have decide this would be a great opportunity to do my civic duty and become a poll watcher or volunteer in some capacity to help my country"...

I say let them vote in the nude, I don't care. The county's not going to make special provisions for them because they don't like to wear clothes.

If it's that big a deal for them, they should have done an absentee ballot.

621 albusteve  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:06pm

re: #608 mama winger

YES ! ! I MADE A LETTER !

WE'RE SAVED!...whew that was close...

622 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:08pm

re: #601 Sarr

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that those people aren't the nudists you might be imagining you want to see.

623 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:15pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

can't you just please hurry up and consult your instruction booklet.
i'm deeply worried.

624 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:29pm

I'm voting for Barack Obama because he is white.

625 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:35pm

I noticed that four times as many as have commented here voted, so I decided to add a comment to my McCain vote.
It is my sincerest wish that John McCain win tomorrow.
But if he does not, I have been studying how to act in a socialist paradise.
One lesson was posted over at Protein Wisdom blog.
I'll put it here and the link.

a CITIZEN JOURNALIST prepares himself for life under Barack Obama’s Socialist Paradise, 4

So I stopped at a Starbucks this morning on the way back from running some errands and sat down with my double espresso at a stool next to a table full of Obama campaign precinct walkers who were evidently taking a break before resuming their canvass.

As luck would have it, these budding community organizers were enjoying biscotti and muffins. Offering them a knowing nod — followed quickly by the Obama salute — I downed my caffeine in one quick quaff as they looked on approvingly, recognizing in me a kindred political spirit.

– That is, until I reached over and started eating their almond cakes and poppy muffins. At which point their faces screwed up into some combination of confusion and irritation.

Nevertheless, I thanked them for spreading the wealth, then quickly snatched some loose change off the table and headed on my way, a black power salute left hanging in the air like some particularly poignant progressive fart.

Bring on the socialisms, I say!

Developing…


[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

I am very interested in other lessons.
Well...?

626 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:36pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

The world is doomed when you learn to text globally.
:)

627 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:38pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

Too hard to cheat. Early voting is all about the fraud.

628 lilliew  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:43:48pm

re: #79 Shug

Best vote I ever made was voting Cynthia McKinney OUT of office a few years ago. It will be an honor to vote to keep her (and Obama) out of office still.

629 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:03pm

re: #616 kansas

[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Now we know why this person wants O. Free gas, no mortgage. Hey, count me in.

may be in for a bit of a shock

630 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:03pm

re: #578 mama winger

HOW DO YOU MAKE IT BE LETTERS AND NOT NUMBERS !?

Just keep hitting the key! Should go to numbers automatically after all the letters

631 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:31pm

Just now on Fox re 'Troopergate' re Gov. Palin:

Gov. Palin is exonerated! 'No probable cause!'

632 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #561 Palandine

12-gauge, loaded with six of the manliest shells I can find in the homestead, with a "sock" around the stock that holds 6 more. :) He's my buddy.

I am Jane the Korean Grocer

Ooh, lucky you Americans. Able to own weapons.
Wish I was living there.

633 bellamags  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:42pm

re: #559 DesertSage

This is good.

Monday Afternoon Rant

That was cool as shit.

634 MJBrutus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:44:53pm

I have never wanted more to be wrong in my life, but I think that Obamanation will be our next President. If he should be elected then I would have to say that for the first time in my entire adult life I will be ashamed of my country.

635 DoubleU  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:14pm

Can I vote once at work, once from home and once from my laptop? If so I am in democrat mode and barack has three votes.

636 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:31pm

re: #571 sattv4u2

I always found the brilliance of the founding fathers that they made sure this was not to be a democracy, with the theory that in a true democracy, you could have 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner

when asked about what type of government the Founding Fathers had founded, Benjamin Franklin responded "a Republic...for as long as you can keep it" ( think it was Franklin anyway...FF quotes seem to get kind of mixed up about who said what)

637 NYCHardhat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:35pm

Early voting in Ohio ended.
Mac Attack 49%
Doughnut hole 49%

638 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:41pm

re: #624 WrathofG-d

I'm voting for Barack Obama because he is white.

I'm voting Obama because he's the post-racial candidate and because Michelle's joy and optimism is so infectious.

639 BigJohn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:43pm

Hey Charles, since some like to point out how slow this site moves. Props on how swimmingly it is moving along now.

640 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:45:54pm

re: #559 DesertSage

This is good.

Monday Afternoon Rant

I also looked at his "Why I am a conservative Republican". I liked his line, "I don't believe we are better than everybody else. We are everybody else."

641 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:02pm

re: #634 MJBrutus

I always thought it was ''E2Brutus." ;)

642 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:08pm

re: #608 mama winger

YES ! ! I MADE A LETTER !

So you lettered in texting?

643 GeeWiz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:16pm

re: #604 GeeWiz

Your point is? Let me guess, Biden is such a wise choice. Some people need to get a clue and you're not one of them.

Damn! PIMF!

644 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:21pm

re: #638 spidly

Ugh, and she is such a good dresser.

645 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:28pm

re: #598 mama winger

america is doomed because i do not know how to use my phone

If you have an old-school, POS, only-makes-calls-doesn't-play-music-take-picturesor-brew-coffee phone like mine, keep pushing (fairly swiftly) the number you want.

For example, 5 is also JKL. If you want the number 5 to show up, you'll have to push 5 four times--J, K, L, 5. Clear as mud?

646 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:28pm

re: #598 mama winger

No! Its not! We will help you, you are one of the smartest people I "know"! This will work. Here, let me do my part. Close your eyes (not now, after you read this). Take a breath, let go of all your smarts, let it go right out your left ear and channel a teenager. Go to the envelope icon, scroll to the send message (or what ever derivative your phone has), click on that. It should automatically go to the letters, the more you hit the key in succession, it will go to the next letter in the series, and finally numbers. Usually if you hit the star, or a key with an up arrow, and look in the top left corner it will have ABC (showing you are in caps mode), abc for lower case or 123 for numbers. The space bar is normally the star or pound key, and there should be a rounded arrow to co back or delete.

We are not doomed. If I can so this, I KNOW you can!

647 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:28pm

re: #606 NYCHardhat

What type of turnout will we get...120million?

I read a story today - in a UK paper - that if we had 100% turnout on Election Day, our electoral system is too chaotic and disorganized to handle it. Made me depressed.

648 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:41pm

re: #557 imploder

There are positive and negative rights. A negative right is a mandate on society and government to not disrupt that which is a right. In other words, the negative right protects a person's existence, thoughts, activities if they are legal, etc.

Bundy clearly violated someone's negative right to not be harmed at someone's whim. Boiling it down, snuffing out someone's right deprives them of the pursuit of happiness, wouldn't you agree?

But where did the victim's right not to be raped and murdered COME from?

And why should anyone give it precedence over Ted Bundy's right to obtain gratification from raping and murdering her?

If rights come from within the individual without reference to any external source, how can it be that one's negative rights trump another one's positive rights?

649 MJBrutus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:46:43pm

re: #641 mean Gene

:-)

650 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:47:06pm

re: #637 NYCHardhat

Early voting in Ohio ended.
Mac Attack 49%
Doughnut hole 49%

Fuck, we could have used at least a point up, but hey, it's even! I'm sure the One's people were predicting a blow-out.

651 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:47:10pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

Slavery was considered constitutional for about the first 100 years.

Not exactly true.

First of all, the United States had no Constitution until 1789. Prior to that, there was no coherent system of nationwide federal law.

1789 - 1865 is only 76 years of legal slavery in the U.S.

But more importantly, the United States never really enforced slavery as a concept on citizens; it merely failed to prevent certain states from allowing slaveholding.

But even that was limited.

For example, it was not allowed in the U.S. to enslave someone who was already free or who was born free. That's what the famous Amistad case was about. One could only be a slave in the US if one was already a slave -- either pre-existing slave as of 1789, or a slave from elsewhere brought here, or someone born into slavery.

And of course, in the majority of states, slavery was illegal. I think there were 15 slave states, and 19 free states (at the time of the Civil War). Thus there was never was slavery in the United States as a whole, just in some states.

When the U.S. was formed, we inherited the pre-existing system of slavery from the British, the French, the Spanish and the Dutch. We didn't create the system, nor was it universal.

Took us 76 years to finally get rid of it, which from one perspective is a long time, but from another was remarkably short -- someone could have been a slave when the Constitution was adopted, and lived to be freed 76 years later when it was amended -- one lifetime.

Of course, needless to say, slavery is among the most immoral institutions ever developed by mankind, but it wasn't some longstanding unique American problem with unique American guilt.

652 Mrs. H  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:47:21pm

John McCain will be sworn in as the President of the United States on Inauguration Day.

653 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:47:22pm

re: #598 mama winger

Mama, That is the best thing said on this blog all day.

654 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:47:32pm

I Think I did it !

Thank you thank you thank you

Now I am awaiting further instructions. They are going to text me with them.


oh noes.

655 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:11pm

Given the discussion above about unalienable rights, I went to find a quote that I like about that subject. I thought it was by Heinlein, but I could not find it. I found this however, which, I like very much and will post here anyway.

--%P% Robert Heinlein - This I Believe %P%---

I am not going to talk about religious beliefs but about matters so obvious
that it has gone out of style to mention them. I believe in my neighbours.
I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults.

Take Father Michael down our road a piece. I'm not of his creed, but I know that goodness and charity and lovingkindness shine in his daily actions. I believe in Father Mike. If I'm in trouble, I'll go to him.

My next-door neighbour is a vetrinary doctor. Doc will get out of bed after
a hard day to help a stay cat. No fee--no prospect of a fee--I believe in Doc.

I believe in my townspeople. You can knock on any door in our town saying, 'I'm hungry,' and you will be fed. Our town is no exception. I've found the same ready charity everywhere. But for the one who says, 'To heck with you-- I got mine,' there are a hundred, a thousand who will say, 'Sure, pal, sit down.'

I know that despite all warnings against hitchikers I can step to the highway, thumb for a ride, and in a few minutes a car or a truck will stop and someone will say, 'Climb in, Mac--how far you going?'

I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime, yet
for every criminal there are 10,000 honest, decent, kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up. Buisness could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news. It is buried in the obituaries, but it is a force stronger than crime. I believe in the patient gallantry of nurses and the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land.

I believe in the honest craft of workmen. Take a look around you. There were never enough bosses to check up on all that work. From Independence Hall to the Grand Coulee Dam, these things were built level and square by craftsmen who were honest in their bones.

I believe that almost all politicians are honest... there are hundreds of
politicians, low paid or not paid at all, doing their level best without thanks
or glory to make our system work. If this were not true we would never have gotten past the thirteen colonies.

I believe in Roger Young. You and I are free today because of endless unnamed heros from Valley Forge to the Yalu River. I believe in--I am proud to belong to--the United States. Despite shortcomings from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history.

And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown. In the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability, and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far only by the skin of our teeth. That we always make it just by the skin of our teeth, but that we will always make it. Survive. Endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes, will endure longer than his home planet--will spread out to the stars and beyond, carrying with him his honesty and insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage and his noble essential decency.

This I believe with all my heart.

Robert A. Heinlein.

656 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:15pm

re: #623 nyc redneck

can't you just please hurry up and consult your instruction booklet.
i'm deeply worried.

the fate of the WORLD depends on mama winger figuring out text messaging.


/no sarcasm.. i'm serious! get that darn vote out...

657 PISSED  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:21pm

Quick question.. anyone here ever hear of Paul Marston?

Hes betting his 45 year politicla career on a McCain Palin win

due to PUMA's... even if he's wrong it is uplifting reading : )

[Link: www.marstonchronicles.info...]

658 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:44pm

re: #497 gmsc

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11, as signed by President and Found Father John Adams

Which proves that the Founding Fathers understood that the Creator of all things and persons does not belong exclusively to any one sect, but to all mankind.

659 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:45pm

re: #625 mean Gene

Sort of like when a panda walks into a bar,eats all the free peanuts, shoots up the place then beats a hasty retreat.

A patron asks the panda WTF? The panda points to a poorly edited website and it says

Panda
eats
shoots
leaves

660 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:57pm

Michelle Malkin posted more of her perpetual hate mail. Apparently, in addition to all the other lovely names she's been called over the years, she's now also an "assimilist."

Wth.

661 Timbre  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:48:59pm

re: #628 lilliew

I'll bet there are fourth-graders who can write and speak with more intelligence and coherence than CM!

662 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:09pm

re: #653 saberry0530

Mama, That is the best thing said on this blog all day.

:)

663 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:27pm

anybody got odds on US/Israeli air strikes on Iran before inauguration?

664 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:39pm

re: #656 buzzdroid

the fate of the WORLD depends on mama winger figuring out text messaging.


No pressure. :)

665 MJBrutus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:40pm

re: #651 zombie

Our Constitution did (and still does, but negated by amendment) include the 3/5 of a person clause. A clause, BTW, that was a concession to the slave-holding states to allow greater representation than they would have had without it.

666 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:40pm

re: #648 stuiec

But where did the victim's right not to be raped and murdered COME from?

And why should anyone give it precedence over Ted Bundy's right to obtain gratification from raping and murdering her?

If rights come from within the individual without reference to any external source, how can it be that one's negative rights trump another one's positive rights?

You're interpreting me incorrectly. The right is, "natural." It comes with being born (although the abortionists don't want you to think that). The right is inalienable. It can't be taken away.

Murder is a crime precisely because of that right. So is trespassing.

What say you?

667 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:55pm

re: #624 WrathofG-d

I'm voting for Barack Obama because he is white.

LOL...Berkely Breathed: "is he a white man with a black dad or a black man with a white mom?"

668 vegasjew  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:49:59pm

just left another day of calling at mcCain headquarters
I am done and can do no more. Tomorrow I will vote and pray,sometimes it looks bleak and other times I can see rays of hope.
1. all polls have Dem ID at +7 I have spoke to high level guys on both sides +5 is more realistic.
2. all polls have roughly 90% for Obama among D
all polls have roughly 90% for McCain among R
I spoke to thousands of registered R
not one yes not 1 said they are voting for Obama
so 90 % is a low estimate.
I think 90 % is a high D estimate.
sites like hillbuzz and pumapac are working very hard to wreck Obama.
3. undecideds should break strong for McCain.
all that said I think it is close and can go either way,

669 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:50:07pm

Bob?

670 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:50:37pm

re: #459 reloadingisnotahobby

Allright!
I'm getting PISSED!
I'm not a nice person when I'm PISSED!

I will assume youre not using the term as the Brits would?
... or maybe you are

671 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:50:38pm

re: #660 Fat Jolly Penguin

Michelle Malkin posted more of her perpetual hate mail. Apparently, in addition to all the other lovely names she's been called over the years, she's now also an "assimilist."

Wth.

corporatey corporatist conformist.

672 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:50:40pm

re: #654 mama winger

Just bring up the message from your "inbox" and press reply, type something in, then press send.

673 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:50:49pm

re: #651 zombie

Are you counting indentured servitude with slavery?

674 nightlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:51:04pm

Not sure what this means, but something came across Fox about decision made in Troopergate as "no probable cause"?

675 big L  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:51:25pm

193 I remember the gore people published the address of the electors and the phones to get the Gore thugs to call up and try to change their mind. Maybe only the Gop electors...

676 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:51:36pm

re: #629 spidly

may be in for a bit of a shock

Me? What, no free gas and I still have to pay my mortgage? Shit.

677 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:51:38pm

re: #625 mean Gene

I noticed that four times as many as have commented here voted, so I decided to add a comment to my McCain vote.
It is my sincerest wish that John McCain win tomorrow.
But if he does not, I have been studying how to act in a socialist paradise.
One lesson was posted over at Protein Wisdom blog.
I'll put it here and the link.

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

I am very interested in other lessons.
Well...?

as i said on a LNDT the other day, i live in a fairly upscale part of LA, and i usually look like i've been dragged through the hedge, mostly because i just don't care... not homeless, but trailer park. %-)

i've been going up to people who've been courteous enough to ID themselves as Obamabtrons through clothing, pins, bumper stickers and asking them for $$, since they obviously have more than me, and i don't want to wait until after he's sworn in for me to get my fair share...

every single one of them has gotten mad at me, and i've gotten nary a dime. not sure what this proves, other than i'm an evil bastid that loves screwing with dumb shits. ...

/white smoke

678 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:52:13pm

re: #634 MJBrutus

I have never wanted more to be wrong in my life, but I think that Obamanation will be our next President. If he should be elected then I would have to say that for the first time in my entire adult life I will be ashamed of my country.

Another poster with a couple of years on and low comment count spreading gloom and despair. Oh well.

679 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:52:14pm

Adios, folks! It's been a pleasure campaigning with you all. Not sure how I'm going to stay focused at work tomorrow while the zoo is going on. Fortunately the boss won't be around all day so I might not have to! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! For the love of all that's holy VOTE!

680 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:52:44pm

re: #587 buzzdroid

I'm not even very religious, but you better believe I pay lip service to it when talking rights

681 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:52:45pm

re: #666 imploder

This is why I didn't go a criminal law route. Those guys/gals would spout this stupidity with flourish. Oh, Imploder, how do those sane and rational types (like us) survive?

682 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:52:48pm

Just came back from a colonoscopy. Checked out okay.

I mention it only to encourage others to have one done if you're at a certain age.
It was not painful. Just a little uncomfortable. I had conscious sedation. Watched the whole procedure on a monitor. Surprised at how quick it was. Not that expensive either.

683 DisturbedEma  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:00pm

re: #650 imploder

Fuck, we could have used at least a point up, but hey, it's even! I'm sure the One's people were predicting a blow-out.

Especially with ACORN. . .

684 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:06pm

re: #632 callahan23

Ooh, lucky you Americans. Able to own weapons.
Wish I was living there.

if you were related to the great one, you might be here already, with govt housing, no less... %-)

/white smoke

685 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:10pm

You mean Obama won't pay my gas and mortgage?

686 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:17pm

Hey since we are going back to the 1960s...will the music get better?

687 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:19pm

re: #679 bosforus

Adios, folks! It's been a pleasure campaigning with you all. Not sure how I'm going to stay focused at work tomorrow while the zoo is going on. Fortunately the boss won't be around all day so I might not have to! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! For the love of all that's holy VOTE!

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE? What, you live in Chicago or St. Louis?

688 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:23pm

re: #672 Cartman

Just bring up the message from your "inbox" and press reply, type something in, then press send.

Will it make a sound or ring or something? So I know it's there ?

689 DisturbedEma  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:32pm

re: #663 spidly

anybody got odds on US/Israeli air strikes on Iran before inauguration?

Sigh- I am bracing for the worst. . .

690 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:35pm

re: #598 mama winger

Don't feel bad mama, my cell phone company is paying me back interest on the prepaid time card I inserted in it 5 years ago, and have only used twice!

691 witness  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:37pm

re: #580 Pullus Iulius

Its the same math as the 95% will get a tax break

692 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:40pm

re: #452 musicman

Ha, that's a great vid!

He's such a complex thinker. So nuanced.

693 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:53:59pm

re: #685 DesertSage

You mean Obama won't pay my gas and mortgage?

No, he's paying mine.

694 notutopia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:09pm

re: #631 NY Nana

YEAH!

695 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:10pm

re: #677 redc1c4

as i said on a LNDT the other day, i live in a fairly upscale part of LA, and i usually look like i've been dragged through the hedge, mostly because i just don't care... not homeless, but trailer park. %-)

i've been going up to people who've been courteous enough to ID themselves as Obamabtrons through clothing, pins, bumper stickers and asking them for $$, since they obviously have more than me, and i don't want to wait until after he's sworn in for me to get my fair share...

every single one of them has gotten mad at me, and i've gotten nary a dime. not sure what this proves, other than i'm an evil bastid that loves screwing with dumb shits. ...

/white smoke

Yeah, they expect the gubment to redistribute their wealth, and if they are savvy, they are already moving their shit offshore.

696 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:12pm

re: #640 legalpad

I also looked at his "Why I am a conservative Republican". I liked his line, "I don't believe we are better than everybody else. We are everybody else."

I like his reference to the Democrat plantation. I seriously believe that is what the Democrats have been doing with the minorities for decades.

697 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:18pm

re: #682 HelloDare

Just came back from a colonoscopy. Checked out okay.

I mention it only to encourage others to have one done if you're at a certain age.
It was not painful. Just a little uncomfortable. I had conscious sedation. Watched the whole procedure on a monitor. Surprised at how quick it was. Not that expensive either.

I am waiting to get my colonoscopy from the New Civilian Security Force.

698 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:21pm

re: #686 WrathofG-d

Hey since we are going back to the 1960s...will the music get better?

Now way man
can you dig it

699 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:49pm

re: #677 redc1c4

as i said on a LNDT the other day, i live in a fairly upscale part of LA, and i usually look like i've been dragged through the hedge, mostly because i just don't care... not homeless, but trailer park. %-)

i've been going up to people who've been courteous enough to ID themselves as Obamabtrons through clothing, pins, bumper stickers and asking them for $$, since they obviously have more than me, and i don't want to wait until after he's sworn in for me to get my fair share...

every single one of them has gotten mad at me, and i've gotten nary a dime. not sure what this proves, other than i'm an evil bastid that loves screwing with dumb shits. ...

/white smoke

LMAO and ROFLOL

700 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:51pm

re: #693 kansas

No, he's paying mine.

no. I'll be paying yours and mine

701 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:54:54pm

re: #690 notutopia

Don't feel bad mama, my cell phone company is paying me back interest on the prepaid time card I inserted in it 5 years ago, and have only used twice!

Whew! I thought I was the only one!

702 buzzdroid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:02pm

watch out for the MSM going crazy with exit polls tommorow - trying to influence the vote due to time differences...

703 Pepper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:09pm

No probable cause for Ethics violation by Palin according the special investigator in AK. Just announced...

704 PISSED  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:21pm

re: #682 HelloDare

Good practice for you ... especially if THE ONE gets elected :)

705 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:39pm

re: #693 kansas

No, he's paying mine.

See, that's what I mean...I think he's lying to us.

706 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:40pm

re: #171 Wilderstad

I'm crossing my fingers and toes, and thinking positive thoughts all directed to a McCain's win. Obama would not only be a disaster for the U.S.A, but with his stance on NAFTA a nightmare for Canada as well.

Our pastor asked us to fast tomorrow.

It really is in God's hands. We get the leaders we deserve.

707 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:42pm

re: #681 ArmyWife

This is why I didn't go a criminal law route. Those guys/gals would spout this stupidity with flourish. Oh, Imploder, how do those sane and rational types (like us) survive?

Are you a lawyer? I'm a business type. We like horses so we are kindred spirits no matter what. Hooves trump all.

708 nightlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:49pm

found some info:

The Alaska Personnel Board has found that Gov. Sarah Palin did not violate state ethics laws when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, according to a report released Monday evening by an independent investigator hired by the panel to probe the matter.

[Link: www.pubrecord.org...]

709 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:49pm

re: #676 kansas

WHAT?!? Does this mean I have to return my new fleet of sports cars? I bought 7 to be precise. Like days of the week undies, I wanted days of the week cars! *Ahem* I NEED days of the week cars and the gas otherwise I wouldn't be able to go to work and toil for Dear Leader! Oh the humanity! I'll have to drive my one four door Volvo. The same Volvo who suffers from identity issues as its owned by a conservative, unlike the OTHER volvos owned by moonbats.

710 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:55:56pm

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

711 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:00pm

re: #545 gmsc

There is only one way to violate someone else's rights, and that is by the initiation of physical force. If you initiate force against someone else to achieve your ends, you are, by definition, violating their rights.

Ted Bundy initiated force against the victims he raped and murdered by definition. Their rights were violated by Ted Bundy, but he didn't alienate them (in other words, they're still in the right.)

Note that this is distinct from the retaliatory use of physical force, which is the basis of the right of self-defense.

Interesting that you should mention survival - as that is why man needs rights. People must be free to think, as well as act on their thinking, if they are to survive as individuals.

What about the farmer who diverts the stream to irrigate his farm, taking away the water source from the rancher downstream?

Does this fall under the category of initiating physical force?

Does the rancher have any greater or less right to extract a livelihood from his land than the farmer does from his?

What makes the land "belong" to either of them? By what token can they claim a right to the land and its fruits?

712 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:05pm

re: #700 spidly

no. I'll be paying yours and mine

You need my bank routing number?

713 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:11pm

re: #688 mama winger

Yes, you should get a single chime or tone. Depends on how your sound options are set up.

714 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:12pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

I don't think that's accurate. Here's another report that has a quite different, though still high, figure.

About 37 percent of registered voters in the crucial swing state of Florida have already cast their ballots, setting the stage for potentially record-breaking turnout, state officials said.

A little more than 2.6 million people voted early from Oct. 20 to Nov. 2, of 11.2 million registered voters, according to the Florida Secretary of State’s office. In addition, election officials estimate more than 1.5 million people voted by absentee ballots.

Based on those numbers, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state’s office said officials are predicting turnout will match or exceed the 83 percent of registered voters who voted in 1992.

This report has the actual numbers of early voters compared to the size of the electorate, which gives it some credibility. Where did you find the 85% figure?

715 callahan23  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:18pm

re: #684 redc1c4

if you were related to the great one, you might be here already, with govt housing, no less... %-)

/white smoke

Not related and most importantly I am no cheater.

716 Teacake!  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:19pm

THIS IS REALLY CREEPY!

obama reverse speech

717 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:21pm

re: #697 mama winger

I am waiting to get my colonoscopy from the New Civilian Security Force.

Obama is going to give us all one in his search for money.

718 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:56:50pm

BTW: how can this be a valid poll if we can only vote once? that's not the American way...

Big Lizard is ripping us off!

/white smoke

719 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:18pm
720 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:22pm

re: #709 ArmyWife

WHAT?!? Does this mean I have to return my new fleet of sports cars? I bought 7 to be precise. Like days of the week undies, I wanted days of the week cars! *Ahem* I NEED days of the week cars and the gas otherwise I wouldn't be able to go to work and toil for Dear Leader! Oh the humanity! I'll have to drive my one four door Volvo. The same Volvo who suffers from identity issues as its owned by a conservative, unlike the OTHER volvos owned by moonbats.

You have to turn the fleet over to the ONE.

721 nightlight  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:26pm

on Fox: The decision is a reversal from a legislative investigation that concluded she had abused her power, by allowing her husband and other staffers to pressure the public safety commissioner to fire a state trooper who went through a nasty divorce from Palin's sister.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

722 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

Bad vibes. Always making with the bad vibes. You know bad vibes make your aura black?

723 Timbre  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:36pm

re: #648 stuiec

But where did the victim's right not to be raped and murdered COME from?

And why should anyone give it precedence over Ted Bundy's right to obtain gratification from raping and murdering her?

If rights come from within the individual without reference to any external source, how can it be that one's negative rights trump another one's positive rights?

Now you are just being obstinate. The fact that person One is alive is "self-evident" proof that person One has a right to continue living--unless person One becomes aggressive and tries to harm person Two, in which case person Two has the "self-evident" right to defend him or herself.

724 mama winger  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:57:45pm

re: #713 Cartman

Yes, you should get a single chime or tone. Depends on how your sound options are set up.

Thanks Cartman.

725 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:58:14pm

re: #631 NY Nana

Either way, we're going to get more of Gov. Palin over the next four years.

726 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:58:40pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

what you should have done is picked a different blog to pull this shit on: we check your ass here, FNG.

/green smoke

727 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:58:47pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

Here we go again. How lame.

728 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:59:35pm

re: #711 stuiec

What about the farmer who diverts the stream to irrigate his farm, taking away the water source from the rancher downstream?

Does this fall under the category of initiating physical force?

Does the rancher have any greater or less right to extract a livelihood from his land than the farmer does from his?

What makes the land "belong" to either of them? By what token can they claim a right to the land and its fruits?

Those particular rights, called water rights, are arbitrated by the government. You make a claim, and the government should decide in favor of the most compelling or find a compromise. I think many times people in the West came to their own conclusion, but in our society, private property conveys rights, and if you have water, that is more than private property, but a public resource that should be dealt with accordingly. Hence the appearance of water and mineral rights over the years.

729 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 4:59:38pm

re: #712 kansas

You need my bank routing number?

you have an account? oh, sorry you did not get a ninja loan then and do not qualify for assistance.

730 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:00:06pm

re: #724 mama winger

Thanks Cartman.

Just my little part in saving the world. ;)

731 bellamags  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:00:21pm

re: #678 Outrider

read the last sentence of his post again :

If he should be elected then I would have to say that for the first time in my entire adult life I will be ashamed of my country.

channeling michelle o

732 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:00:33pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout Stinks

Just having a logical and reasonable discussion about the Constitution and the nature of human rights. I find it interesting. I'm sorry you don't like it.

I'm sorry, but I ain't buying it. You're bent on trashing the Constitution even though you know perfectly well why/how it was founded. And why do you have two nics?

733 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:01:21pm

re: #622 jaunte

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that those people aren't the nudists you might be imagining you want to see.

Especially if they drop their pencil and have to bend over. Eww!

734 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:01:39pm

My wife just got back from visiting her mom in Mississippi. The first thing she asks me (after a warm curbside "hello") is, "So, are you going to the gun store and buy a gun tonight or tomorrow?"

She senses a disturbance in the force.

735 Timbre  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:02:18pm

re: #707 imploder

Are you a lawyer? I'm a business type. We like horses so we are kindred spirits no matter what. Hooves trump all.

In my experience, hooves trample all! Or at least when this city kid tried becoming a gallop boy for quarter horses and on my first day at work got my left hiking boot stuck in the stirrup. I accidentally made the horse come to a dead halt and, you can imagine the rest...

736 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:02:23pm

Well, my whiskey rights have run out. I have to put my kid on the school bus in the morning (considering I'm in Europe that isn't that far down the road).

G'night all, God bless and I pray for McCain win.

737 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:03:24pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

I didn't realize the votes had been counted already.
I need pay attention.

738 summergurl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:03:34pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

Oh aren't you Mr. Positive? Are you sure you are looking at the same polls that I am? They are not only within the margin of error but Republicans are less represented than Democrats in most I've seen.

739 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:04:50pm

re: #666 imploder

You're interpreting me incorrectly. The right is, "natural." It comes with being born (although the abortionists don't want you to think that). The right is inalienable. It can't be taken away.

Murder is a crime precisely because of that right. So is trespassing.

What say you?

So the two million skulls stacked up in Cambodia belong to people who had the natural and inalienable right to life. How did they end up dead like that?

740 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:04:54pm

O'Reilly once again lamenting why McCain/Palin didn't consider coming on his show a priority. he has this fantasy that he is a kingmaker.

741 Perplexed  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:05:15pm

'Night all. Vote like the future of America depends on your vote.

742 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:05:40pm

re: #735 Timbre

In my experience, hooves trample all! Or at least when this city kid tried becoming a gallop boy for quarter horses and on my first day at work got my left hiking boot stuck in the stirrup. I accidentally made the horse come to a dead halt and, you can imagine the rest...

Horses teach lessons to us. Riding with a hiking boot is bad. Horses are unpredictable. Always.

Look at a roper boot, popular western footwear. It is designed to come out of the stirrup with no drama. Incidentally, it is shaped just like a Continental horseman's paddock boot. The two could easily be interchanged.

What's old is new.

743 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:05:52pm

re: #707 imploder

I don't practice, I am an HR Manager for a big, bad chemical company. I handle all of HR (or my staff does). My bailiwick is labor. I love labor. I am sick that way. I still do the stuff I like, such as advocating for the company at arbitration, I am the lead on negotiations, I respond and represent the company for NLRB actions, EEOC complaints, etc whereas the other HR managers at other sites use our corporate labor/employment atty. I pick up some of our other plants labor issues, too, on occasion when our "official" attorney is swamped.

744 Beach Lover  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:06:25pm

well I may be a Pollyanna, but at least I'm in good company!

745 imploder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:06:27pm

re: #739 stuiec

So the two million skulls stacked up in Cambodia belong to people who had the natural and inalienable right to life. How did they end up dead like that?

They weren't protected by the Constitution. Fairly simple.

746 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:07:16pm

Funny thing.

I will be in Mexico City tomorrow.

Don't worry I voted early.

It will be very interesting to see the reaction if McCain wins.

I never deluded myself as to why all the other countries in the world want Obama to win.

Every one is ready to take us down a peg.

This is nothing but old fashioned jealousy and the shocking thing for me is to see that a large part of our electorate thinks that everybody will be our buddies if O is elected.

Only if you consider a buddy to be someone who kicks you in the head as soon as your go to sleep.

747 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:07:25pm

re: #740 alien_mind

O'Reilly once again lamenting why McCain/Palin didn't consider coming on his show a priority. he has this fantasy that he is a kingmaker.

I think he has a fantasy about Palin, period.

748 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:07:32pm

Sarah Palin has actually been reasonably popular among high school kids. Reason? Willow Palin.

Image: img.330703_t.jpg

749 Outrider  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:07:49pm

re: #731 bellamags

read the last sentence of his post again :

If he should be elected then I would have to say that for the first time in my entire adult life I will be ashamed of my country.

channeling michelle o

I know. We see so many of these posters been registered for years, few comments-then post defeatist crap.

IF Obama won? It is still my country. It is still the country to be proud of.

750 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:07:58pm

re: #739 stuiec

So the two million skulls stacked up in Cambodia belong to people who had the natural and inalienable right to life. How did they end up dead like that?

They got Pol Pot instead of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, that's how.

751 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:08:41pm

re: #745 imploder

They weren't protected by the Constitution. Fairly simple.

Oh, a piece of sheepskin would have stopped Pol Pot. They were murdered by socialists--the same kinds that are about to be elected tomorrow--God forbid.

752 Sarr  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:08:44pm

re: #651 zombie

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

753 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:08:59pm

re: #710 SpaceJesus

obama is going to win this shit, I want McCain to win, but damn he's so far ahead it's going to hardly be a contest.

should've picked romney/huckabee ticket...

Uh oh... Time to call the waaambulance!

754 fish  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:09:34pm

re: #612 gmsc

Here's the proper reply. (You may want to set aside a few minutes, as this is a very thought-provoking tour.)

I respectfully disagree. Out of respect for the fact that this is not my forum and that there are many here how do not share my point of veiw, I will not go into detail my point by point rebuttal to that site. However if you are ever in Wisconsin, I will gladly buy you a beer and we can argue it till we are blue in the face.

755 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:09:42pm

re: #716 Teacake!

THIS IS REALLY CREEPY!

obama reverse speech
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

ABSURD and RIDICULOUS!

756 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:10:41pm

re: #748 ClosetConservative

Sarah Palin has actually been reasonably popular among high school kids. Reason? Willow Palin.

[Link: www.nancarrow-webdesk.com...]

No. It's just her. There's that "Mrs. Robinson" vibe going.

757 rightymouse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:10:46pm

Pages are too slow loading. Am going couchular now.

758 wolfie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:11:11pm

re: #640 legalpad

I also looked at his "Why I am a conservative Republican". I liked his line, "I don't believe we are better than everybody else. We are everybody else."

That line grabbed my attention, too! I LOVE it!

759 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:11:18pm

re: #723 Timbre

Now you are just being obstinate. The fact that person One is alive is "self-evident" proof that person One has a right to continue living--unless person One becomes aggressive and tries to harm person Two, in which case person Two has the "self-evident" right to defend him or herself.

Why?

What if someone doesn't find the rights of others to live to be self-evident?

Why should we consider that person wrong for asserting what he believes are his rights?

Is there some external standard by which we can arbitrate between competing rights?

760 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:11:19pm

re: #557 imploder

There are positive and negative rights. A negative right is a mandate on society and government to not disrupt that which is a right. In other words, the negative right protects a person's existence, thoughts, activities if they are legal, etc.

Bundy clearly violated someone's negative right to not be harmed at someone's whim. Boiling it down, snuffing out someone's right deprives them of the pursuit of happiness, wouldn't you agree?

Little simpler than that even. The rights enumerated in the constitution are there as a mandate to the government, as you say. The government is capable of violating your rights.

In order to be extended the benefits of society, including the protection and guarantee of the government that your rights will not be violated either by the government itself or fellow citizens you must also agree to not violate the rights of others. Those who refuse to not violate the rights of others have no guarantee to not have their rights violated in turn.

What's more 'self-actualization' is a psychological concept from the 20th century and isn't really implicit in 'Pursuit of Happiness'. The real meaning of what the pursuit entails is further enumerated in the Bill of Rights, in that a man is free to associate, worship, think, speak, and own property as he is capable and willing to do so.

On the issue of slavery, the philosophical underpinnings of the Constitution are nearly 100% John Locke, through the lens of Jefferson. Jefferson's original draft of the Constitution included the abolition of slavery. His stance on what exactly to do with the slaves, and their status as compared to 'white men' vacillated over his career but ultimately he believes slavery was morally wrong and that the natural rights of slaves were being violated.

Jefferson ultimately was the man most responsible for stopping more slaves from being imported into America, which was a great boon for the slave population of the US. When Brazil abolished slavery, they were still importing slaves up until the last second. The plight of the Brazilian slave was harsh in comparison to the American slave, and they were often literally worked to death, as buying a replacement slave at the market was cheaper than ensuring that the ones the slave masters had didn't die. While Jefferson was never able to achieve the abolition of slavery he did ensure that slaves were valuable, and sometimes irreplaceable property. He laid the underpinnings for the humanization of chattel in America by giving incentive to treat them at least humanely enough that they couldn't be worked to death and discarded.

If you look at the first three Presidents, George Washington, and John Adams along with Jefferson were both on record as being against the institution of slavery as well. Adams refused to ever own a slave, and while Jefferson and Washington both did own slaves both were under mitigating circumstances. Washington's slaves were inherited by way of his wife's family, and Jefferson never came out from under the debt that the Revolution and political campaigning put him in, and the bank would not allow him to release the bulk of his slaves from service as they were technically collateral. They would have been seized by the bank and resold elsewhere in order to pay his debts.

I think that the spirit and literal meaning of the document is inherently anti-slavery. That there was slavery was an aberration and antithetical to Jefferson's philosophy upon which the document was written.

761 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:10pm

Kos Kidz are calling to "freep" this poll:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Idiots. Who cares?

762 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:19pm

Drive by post - just wanted to say that I voted for McCain cause I do think he's gonna win - and also to let all you newbies know that Killgore is our resident pain in the ass - he has said, repeatedly he isn't going to vote, but of course his own, self-imposed disenfranchisement doesn't keep him from gloating at the thought of being able to come here Wednesday or Tomorrow night to say Nyah, Nyah, Nyah.
Don't take him seriously, none of the rest of us do!
Now off to supper and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

763 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:22pm

re: #683 DisturbedEma

Especially with ACORN. . .

i think we won. once we throw out the acorn fraud.

764 monkey den  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:24pm

re: #740 alien_mind

I agree about O'Reilly, but it would have been nice to get her a couple softball interviews before they threw her to MSM wolves.

765 eon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:12:32pm

re: #625 mean Gene

I noticed that four times as many as have commented here voted, so I decided to add a comment to my McCain vote.
It is my sincerest wish that John McCain win tomorrow.
But if he does not, I have been studying how to act in a socialist paradise.
One lesson was posted over at Protein Wisdom blog.
I'll put it here and the link.

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

I am very interested in other lessons.
Well...?

Good Evening, Lizards.

How about this lesson?

If someone can think of no other reason to vote for McCain/Palin, tell them this;

If the news media succeed in putting Barack Hussein Obama in the White House, they will never again have any incentive to tell the truth. About anything.

From Day One, they have lied, covered up, and propagandized for this person. They have compromised every single principle they supposedly stand for. And they are proud of having done so.

If they get away with this, there is zero chance that they will ever again feel any hesitation to lie to us in pursuit of whatever goal infatuates them at any given moment. Whether it be discarding the Constitution- or just making sure the cutest chick or hottest guy wins on Survivor; Long Island.

Without an accurate and reliable way of separating fact from fiction, no nation can long survive.

And like it or not, we inhabitants of the blogosphere are still a minority. Most of our neighbors still think that "If it's in the paper, or on TV, it must be so." Well, no, it isn't, and hasn't been for a long time.

And if they get away with this scam, it never will be again.


And in the interest of "fair and balanced" reporting, RE the statement that "slavery was legal in this country for 100 years"...

Wrong.

The Constitution was enacted in 1787. The Thirteenth Amendment, abolishing slavery throughout the United States, was enacted in 1865. That's 78 years.

Furthermore, under the provisions of Article I, Section 9, the importation of slaves from foreign lands was prohibited after 1808. And slavery was never legal in all the states from the beginning. The provision of Article IV requiring
fugitive slaves to be returned even from a "free" state was rendered moot by Amendment 13. (My home state of Ohio was a "free" state from its inception in 1803.)

Whether a sloppy offhand remark or whatever, the "100 years" statement is inaccurate in all respects.

cheers

eon

766 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:13:19pm

re: #728 imploder

Those particular rights, called water rights, are arbitrated by the government. You make a claim, and the government should decide in favor of the most compelling or find a compromise. I think many times people in the West came to their own conclusion, but in our society, private property conveys rights, and if you have water, that is more than private property, but a public resource that should be dealt with accordingly. Hence the appearance of water and mineral rights over the years.

Now I am confused.

"Private property rights" are inherent in individuals? The right to water, which is necessary for life and for earning a livelihood, is not?

I am beginning to suspect that these rights of which you speak are not simply biological constructs of individual organisms.

767 alexknyc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:15:01pm

re: #370 poopeedoo

Sarah represents my values and ideals better than anyone that has run for office in my lifetime.

This is why the MSM and liberals are so desperate to smear her. If she were truly an irrelevant boob, they wouldn't bother. But they know she connects with the average voter far better than any of the three other candidates and anyone the Democrats would put up in 2012.

768 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:15:32pm

re: #745 imploder

They weren't protected by the Constitution. Fairly simple.

Okay. But they had natural, inalienable rights. What would have been a necessary and sufficient condition for their rights to be respected, at least insofar as their not ending up in mass graves?

769 ClosetConservative  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:15:42pm

re: #761 Charles

Kos Kids hop on everyone else's nuts, and then when someone suggests that they're nutjobs that "someone" is a racist, fascist, etc.

What's up with these people? I think there's some kind of extended infantility going on over there.

770 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:16:54pm

re: #761 Charles

No No No

It's important that they spend every waking moment of the next three days poll bombing us.

They need to be dedicated to this task and this task alone;)

771 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:17:11pm

Could Laura Ingraham just say something positive about McCain ...I am so f*cking sick of people who go on tv and say crap about McCain ...can't they wait till the election is over ...she says Senator Government has moved to the right ...is she smoking crack ... he will say anything ...

772 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:17:13pm

re: #739 stuiec

So the two million skulls stacked up in Cambodia belong to people who had the natural and inalienable right to life. How did they enup hold itd up dead like that?

you have a right to life. but that right means nothing if it is not protected.
this is exactly why we need a strong military.
and the constitution is just a piece of paper if there is no one to uphold it.
this concept is lost on libs and fools.

773 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:18:09pm

re: #761 Charles

Kos Kidz are calling to "freep" this poll:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Idiots. Who cares?

Can you not use that to lay interesting traps for them, to flush out the trolls and mobys? Or do you tolerate them for the spice they bring to the discussion?

774 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:18:31pm

re: #711 stuiec

What about the farmer who diverts the stream to irrigate his farm, taking away the water source from the rancher downstream?

Does this fall under the category of initiating physical force?

Does the rancher have any greater or less right to extract a livelihood from his land than the farmer does from his?

What makes the land "belong" to either of them? By what token can they claim a right to the land and its fruits?

First, this started as an argument over whether the basis of rights were given by god or society. The property question is interesting, but if you're going to move the goalpost, I'd like more advance notice.

In a true capitalist society, where all property is privately owned, this would be a question between the respective land owners involved, and possibly a matter for the courts, if they find they can't decide among themselves.

As for that happening in our society today? Well, it's whatever the whim of the majority feels at the moment, limited by the remnants of Constitutional law and the hobbled-together property laws involved in that jurisdiction.

775 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:19:25pm

re: #686 WrathofG-d

Hey since we are going back to the 1960s...will the music get better?

Well, it won't be that computerized garbage, anyway. ;)

776 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:20:31pm

re: #536 mama winger

OKAy

I can do this
I can do this


I am going to go practice texting to save America

bbiab

Rotating title!

777 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:21:18pm

re: #751 calcajun

Oh, a piece of sheepskin would have stopped Pol Pot. They were murdered by socialists--the same kinds that are about to be elected tomorrow--God forbid.

Bingo.

They lived in a society that determined that rights are only what the Government itself gives its citizens. And that's why they died.

I would rather deal with elected officials who believe that an "invisible sky-fairy" or "Santa Claus" gave us our rights and wants them respected and protected than with elected officials who think that the mere fact of their election gave them the power to dole out or take away our rights.

778 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:22:00pm

re: #739 stuiec

So the two million skulls stacked up in Cambodia belong to people who had the natural and inalienable right to life. How did they end up dead like that?

Their rights were violated. Just because rights are inalienable doesn't mean they can't be violated.

779 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:23:22pm

re: #774 gmsc

First, this started as an argument over whether the basis of rights were given by god or society. The property question is interesting, but if you're going to move the goalpost, I'd like more advance notice.

In a true capitalist society, where all property is privately owned, this would be a question between the respective land owners involved, and possibly a matter for the courts, if they find they can't decide among themselves.

As for that happening in our society today? Well, it's whatever the whim of the majority feels at the moment, limited by the remnants of Constitutional law and the hobbled-together property laws involved in that jurisdiction.

Are you implying that there is no natural right to property inherent in the individual? That what's mine is mine only to the extent that the rest of the folks around me don't decide to gang up and take it from me?

Is there no natural right to be secure in my person and property?

780 stuiec  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:25:40pm

re: #778 gmsc

Their rights were violated. Just because rights are inalienable doesn't mean they can't be violated.

I like the notion of being governed by people who think that I, as a human being, have natural and inalienable rights.

I like even more the notion of being governed by people who think that I, as a human being, have natural and inalienable rights granted to me by a Creator, and who think that taking those rights away from me in any arbitrary fashion would jeopardize their immortal souls.

Capisce?

781 Maui Girl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:28:18pm

re: #658 stuiec

Which proves that the Founding Fathers understood that the Creator of all things and persons does not belong exclusively to any one sect, but to all mankind.

This document and the statement within was produced for the single purpose of not alienating the Muslims that this country was trying to forge the Treaty of Tripoli. It was to appease the Muslims and assure them that we were not out to get them.

Read your history more thoroughly before quoting something that needs to be understood within the context of which it was written.

782 grahamski  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:28:38pm

re: #47 CyanSnowHawk

Make sure you don't wear the shirts until Nov.5.

If obama wins, it will be brown shirts

783 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:29:53pm

re: #777 stuiec

What you miss is the fact that the socialists believe in the sky fairy, too. Their politics is their religion and those who disagree are heretics; we're either evil, stupid, or both. Instead of being burned at the stake, we're sent to re-education camps.

784 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:30:21pm

re: #782 grahamski

If obama wins, it will be brown shirts

and bow ties, a la the Nation of Islam

785 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:32:07pm

re: #573 NYCHardhat

85% of Florida has voted...what happened to voting on election day?

I saw earlier that on 46% of Florida has voted - it's on the Hillary Clinton Forum from a poster who saw it on Fox news.

Read the thread here!

786 Inquisitive  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:32:27pm

re: #6 MsSmith

Vote Tuesday and pray.


Been praying for weeks and will continue to do so all day tomorrow.

787 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:34:42pm

re: #505 gregg

I have noticed that cars with a lot bumper stickers have terrible drivers. ;-)

Their fingers are all sticky.

788 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:35:36pm

re: #648 stuiec


If rights come from within the individual without reference to any external source, how can it be that one's negative rights trump another one's positive rights?

Well, you apparently don't know what a Right is in the first place, so until you actually educate yourself on the terminology you might want to stop asking questions.

To actually attempt to answer your question, natural rights don't 'come from within', as they don't 'come' from anywhere as they are a philosophical concept unless you believe you are sheathed a metaphysical rainbow Godbeam that gives you rights. Then again, you just might.

Secondly there is no conception of a Positive Rights in the Constitution. There are natural rights which are not contingent upon the law to exist, and social rights or civil rights which are contingent upon the law. Civil Rights aren't a function of positive rights, that is they are not an entitlement, but a benefit proferred by society for entering into a social contract. No one can be proferred a benefit by society by way of entering into the social contract while actively breaking the social contract. A criminal voids the contract, and is not extended civil rights upon being proven guilty and may have his inalienable rights infringed and violated.

789 MJBrutus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:37:28pm

re: #678 Outrider

Another poster with a couple of years on and low comment count spreading gloom and despair. Oh well.

Sorry man. It's just the way I see it. But what the hell, I'll lie to you and spread cheer if it will make you happy.

790 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:39:51pm

re: #650 imploder

Fuck, we could have used at least a point up, but hey, it's even! I'm sure the One's people were predicting a blow-out.

Oh it's good, I'd say. Repubs are way more likely to vote on election day than dems are. Plus, the One has been heavily pushing the "Vote Early" meme, and it looks like many did, but he needed to be much more ahead of Mac going into tomorrow to have a chance of taking the Buckeye State.

If this is the Dem/Repub break down, things look very good indeed.

:-)

791 code red 21  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:41:09pm

OT

Mike Reagan just said that Sarah Palin has been cleared in Troopergate

792 Scion9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:42:12pm

re: #780 stuiec


I like even more the notion of being governed by people who think that I, as a human being, have natural and inalienable rights granted to me by a Creator, and who think that taking those rights away from me in any arbitrary fashion would jeopardize their immortal souls.

Capisce?

Why would violating your rights jeopardize their soul? Does it say so in the Bible, or does the Constitution imply that it is an addendum to a religious text and defines not liberty but theology? Is it the Gospel of Jefferson?

Why exactly would someone go to hell for violating your rights?

793 daledog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:42:15pm

re: #392 buzzdroid

You are so correct. No economic problems, no war, Clinton held in check by Repubs in Congress - there was no reason to change presidents in 1996. Also, now we have a much more interesting and capable VP candidate.

794 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:48:27pm

re: #726 redc1c4

what you should have done is picked a different blog to pull this shit on: we check your ass here, FNG.

/green smoke

Wait - I gotta get out my "Smoke" manual to find out what that means!

/looks for previous Red post in favorites

795 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 5:55:16pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

I think I'm going to enjoy election night.

Oh? Why is that, Killgore?

796 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:00:04pm

re: #777 stuiec

797 Boolz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:00:43pm

re: #777 stuiec

Bingo.

They lived in a society that determined that rights are only what the Government itself gives its citizens. And that's why they died.

I would rather deal with elected officials who believe that an "invisible sky-fairy" or "Santa Claus" gave us our rights and wants them respected and protected than with elected officials who think that the mere fact of their election gave them the power to dole out or take away our rights.

amen

798 Biff  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:02:43pm

Patriot Room mentioned this as the election eve late afternoon bellweather poll:
National IBD/TIPP Obama 47.5, McCain 43 Obama +4.5
It's the only national poll on realclearpoliticks.com with Obama under 50%, and it shows 9.5% in play. With Rasmussen showing the battlegrounds at

799 Biff  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:06:32pm

Patriot Room mentioned this as the election eve late afternoon bellweather poll:
National IBD/TIPP Obama 47.5, McCain 43 Obama +4.5

It's the only national poll on realclearpoliticks.com with Obama under 50%, and it shows 9.5% in play. With Rasmussen showing the battlegrounds at

800 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:07:21pm

re: #368 bcgirl

i am going to wear my palin power button and my NOPE button with the obama symbol will i get in trouble

It's against election law...electioneering. Wear it all day but take it off 100 feet from the polls.

801 Biff  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:09:47pm

(cont) less than or equal to 4%, it is a real horse race, with Obama's horse seriously shortening stride in the shadow of the finish.

802 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:28:29pm

So if Obama wins, I guess I can change the contact information on my (former) mortgage payment to:
Barack Obama
1600 PA Ave
Washington D.C.

But I'm not sure what to do to get refunds on my gas purchases. Or will gas just be free at the pumps?

And will these changes start on the 5th, or do we have to wait until January 20?

803 insomniac  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:44:30pm

Obama will probably be the president

But he hates America...He will try to destroy the US from within.

The world will rejoice...but they are too stupid to realize it will be the beginning of the end for them. They have been too dumbed down by a pervasive left leaning media that has been spewing anti-American viewpoints for years.

804 sagamoregal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:21pm

Damn, did Lorne Michaels & SNL ban Obama ads tonight or did the Republicans and McCain finally wake up 24 hours before the election? It's all McCain.

This is SNL at its finest tonight.

Other than football on ESPN (yawn), what else is there on TV tonight but SNL?

805 sagamoregal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:24pm

Sarah Palin -2012!

Piper Palin - 2044 !

806 Throbert McGee  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:29pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

Seriously, voting for lesser offices is one thing but it is hypocritical for me to vote someone into the highest office in our country who will consult (or pretend to consult) the Invisible Santa Claus in the sky before making decisions.

No doubt this means I won't be voting for a major presidential candidate (and their VP picks) for a while, but so be it.

Okey-doke... you're so committed to your atheism that you choose to make yourself completely voiceless in Presidential elections unless and until there's a sufficiently irreligious candidate running? Sure, that's rational.

(Center-right atheist homosexual here, voting for McCain/Palin.)

807 Beller0ph1  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:25pm

Convinced my wife's cousin sitting on the fence to vote for McCain. This is what she responded with...

Thanks for the info.
I am not voting for the man with the fro.
He is just too low.

I decided to go with the old sexy gent.
Because what he said he meant.
He will be a great pres'dent.

Count one for the good guys in CO!

808 right_wing2  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:35pm

If the Obamessiah wins this, America will truly have become a kakistocracy.

809 DeeAitch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:40pm

re: #265 RurouniKenshin

You have my vote for totally pathetic.
Yours seems like an extreme position for someone claiming to be center-anything.
But I'm not too sorry that a person with a mindset like yours is going to be sitting out all important electoral decisions.

810 AZDave  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:28pm

re: #121 poopeedoo

Split personality?

Yep, multiple personalities. But Charles will let me use only one.

811 thriggle  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:10pm

I'm preparing a pity playlist to which I can mope if Saint Obama ascends to the Presidency. So far I've got David Bowie's "Cygnet Committee" and "Saviour Machine," Andrew Bird's "Banking on a Myth." and Medeski Martin & Wood's "End of the World Party (Just in Case)." Any other suggestions?

812 zelnaga  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:52pm

re: #27 arethusa

Drudge has good sources in the McCain campaign and has a link to their internal memo on exit polling.

Good points, which Lizards should remember (although good luck with the memo's stated purpose of warning the media. I'm betting that at least one state will be called erroneously on the basis of exit polling.).

Well, hopefully, we'll certainly find out soon enough.

Unless, of course, there's a lawsuit to dispute the results in Florida, or something, assuming the race winds up being that close.

813 JimCap  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:56:46pm

“At the bookmaker the odds on Barack Obama to win the November Elections are now sitting at -900 and John McCain is an unbelievable underdog with odds +600! If you don’t know how odds work, here is a quick explanation — the odds on McCain at +155 last month meant that bettors will win $155 for every $100 they risk; the odds today on McCain at +600 mean that now people stand to win $600 for every $100 they risk; or the odds on McCain are now almost 4 times worse than a month ago, despite the shrinking of Barack Obama’s lead, according to the major polls.

If you want to wager on Obama, a $900 bet will win you $100 if he wins the election.

It’s not just the bookies: Intrade, the online market, has Obama with an 85% chance of winning.

Now these guys are not in the business of losing their shirts. This is as close to a lock that you will find in the betting world. With odds like that, McCain would have to pull off the most spectacular upset in the history of American politics — far beyond Truman’s surprise in 1948″

These bookies are no fools, when did the last one of these guys go out of business? (If only a few of them were on the board of directors of some major financial institutions ), but i digress…

If you really think that McCain will win, liquidate all your assets and stick them on a McCain win

betting $150,000 , will make you a millionaire by nov 5th, and you get a McCain presidency thrown in!

Now how many have the orbs to do that? not me for sure

814 b00tdisk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 10:09:36pm

We're so boned. "Barry" has this thing in his pocket. we are so boned

And at every turn of the clock, the left is going to "punish" anyone with right-leaning tendencies for the last eight years of having the boot on their necks.

815 Ayatrollah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 10:52:49pm

Not sure why everybody is all hang dog. Don't you know that we're gonna steal the election once again. Did you miss the email?

816 splat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:03:38pm

McCain, the thought of a Marxist for a president scares the crap out of me. It really does.

817 descolada9  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 11:10:23pm

Pray, pray, pray for sanity to infect the vast silent majority!

818 Areozol  Tue, Nov 4, 2008 12:42:35am

Obama will win.

Sorry, my dear American friends, but the odds are pointing him as a winner...

819 Quintus_Arius  Tue, Nov 4, 2008 7:09:18am

re: #6 MsSmith

Vote Tuesday and pray.

Amen! I will vote at 10:00 AM here in CA, then off to the local church to say a prayer for the republic. I bet I won't be alone.

820 Zippy_Slug  Tue, Nov 4, 2008 8:19:48am

Hope for the best,
Prepare for the worst.


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