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Palin is Cleared in 'Troopergate'

Politics | Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:47:53 pm PST

After an unbelievable barrage of smear articles from the mainstream media, tonight an independent investigation by Alaska’s State Personnel Board has cleared Sarah Palin of wrongdoing in the media-dubbed “Troopergate” case.

Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin did not violate state ethics rules as governor when she fired her state police commissioner and allegedly tried to engineer the firing of her brother-in-law from the Alaska State Troopers, an investigator for Alaska’s State Personnel Board found in a report released on the eve of the election.

The exoneration by the State Personnel Board contradicts the findings of an Alaska state legislative investigator, who ruled last month that Palin abused executive power when she and her husband engaged in a campaign to oust Mike Wooten, her former brother-in-law, from state trooper payroll.

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1 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:49:24pm

Gee, they are early....this story was supposed to break on Nov. 5th

2 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:49:35pm

A little late -- it will go down in history as a lefty meme.

3 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:49:45pm

I question the timing!

/moonbat

4 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:49:53pm

Well. Man. This might have been helpful, a few months ago.

5 noshariaincanada  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:04pm

Go Sarah! McCain 08 Palin 2012 !

6 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:07pm

Wait until this gets into all the MSM papers . . . on Thursday.

7 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:08pm

of course she is cleared. they knew it when they started this witch hunt.

8 spidly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:12pm

do they go after these guys for their politically motivated harassment investigation?

9 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:31pm

I time the questioning!

10 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:35pm

Remember, folks -- just add "-gate" to any word, and you have an instant scandal! Where none existed before!

Facts? Who needs facts?

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:50:41pm

Good. A good person taking action to get rid of a slimeball should be considered ethical.

12 baxtrice  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:51:15pm

Finally! Anyone with half a brain could have figured this out from the start..

13 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:51:19pm

But....but.... she spent $150,000 on clothing!

14 MeToo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:51:50pm

The thing that bugs me is that there was no "gate" in this gate.

Well, except maybe a "media-rabidly-hates-palin-gate."

15 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:51:57pm

re: #10 zombie

Remember, folks -- just add "-gate" to any word, and you have an instant scandal! Where none existed before!

Facts? Who needs facts?

BTW, just who is your source for all these left-wing pamphlets you've been publishing recently?

I say we investigate Zombiegate! We have to, because "Zombiegate" just sounds too cool!

16 baxtrice  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:52:23pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

But....but.... she spent $150,000 on clothing!

Those evil Rich Rethuglicans!

/moonbat

17 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:52:55pm

We are being played.

18 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:53:12pm

Well, if WaPo and the NYT say so, it must be true!

/////////

19 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:53:29pm

good, i just wish there would be a huge head line on the paper or that the abc networks woud interupt programming with this really important headline, but no, not in this world, thank goodness (and Charles) for LGF,, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am so sick of obama ads, i have got to turn off the tv go to bed

20 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:53:52pm

re: #17 rawmuse

We are being played.

No scheisse.

21 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:54:27pm

Imagine if Sarah had let it slide that a trooper was drunk on duty, tazering kids. THAT would have been a real scandal, but the msm is so in the tank that when Sarah did the right thing, they attack her for it. Unreal.

22 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:08pm

re: #18 arethusa

Well, if WaPo and the NYT say so, it must be true!

/////////

Of course she was going to be cleared. This should never have been as much of an issue as it was.

23 swamprat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:10pm

I question the timing........
They think that she is going to win. The rats are abandoning ship.

24 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:22pm
Alaska’s State Personnel Board has cleared Sarah Palin of wrongdoing in the media-dubbed “Troopergate” case

/oh well, guess it's back to digging through her garbage cans

25 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:35pm

The meme did its damage. In any event I'm glad she was cleared. I knew it was partisan rubbish all along.

26 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:44pm

re: #15 gmsc

BTW, just who is your source for all these left-wing pamphlets you've been publishing recently?

I say we investigate Zombiegate! We have to, because "Zombiegate" just sounds too cool!

Aaaagghh! I'm a "-gate"! My reputation is ruined!

27 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:55:54pm

At this rate, the LA Times will release the Khalidi tape at 7:30 tomorrow night. Right after OH and PA polls close.

28 P. Aaron  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:15pm

Now the leftist press is bothering us by printing relevant facts? I just wasted a bunch of money on The Weekley World News.

29 BignJames  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:32pm
30 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:40pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Imagine if Sarah had let it slide that a trooper was drunk on duty, tazering kids. THAT would have been a real scandal, but the msm is so in the tank that when Sarah did the right thing, they attack her for it. Unreal.

It did not matter what she did or did not do.....they wanted to smear her with something, anything.....they are still scared of her.....and that is good....

31 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:45pm

This eleventh hour crapola is maddening.

32 Fredlike  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:45pm

Best of luck everyone voting tomorrow. i was going to waltz in to the local voting booth around 9 am and miss the crowds but now the daughter wants an escort before work, so it looks like it is bedtime and a very early morning trip to the polls.

33 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:48pm

? just by obama and the msm ? re: #17 rawmuse

We are being played.

34 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:51pm

And even in the quotation at the top of this thread, the writers 'allege' and spin and twist AGAINST Palin as much as they can!

/Peeeyoo!

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:56:54pm

Ever notice that Republicans are not allowed to fire anybody?

Reagan...evil for firing Air Traffic Reporters
Bush...evil for firing Lawyers
Palin...evil for firing the guy who couldn't follow orders...

Can you say, "White House Travel Office"?

36 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:58:08pm

re: #27 ratherdashing

At this rate, the LA Times will release the Khalidi tape at 7:30 tomorrow night. Right after OH and PA polls close.

I am sure we will get the "unmuzzled" Ayers, Wright and Michelle too..all who have kept their traps shut.....once (if) Obama gets in, get ready for a tsunami of crap.

37 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:58:13pm

re: #18 arethusa

Well, if WaPo and the NYT say so, it must be true!

/////////

Not necessarily - They stated the following in a front page story:

An extensive review of the government’s military tribunal files suggests that dozens of the roughly 255 prisoners remaining in detention are said by military and intelligence agencies to have been captured with important terrorism suspects, to have connections to top leaders of Al Qaeda or to have other serious terrorism credentials.

Everyone knows that's not true at all - they're all innocent victims of Chimpy McBusHitler!

38 ozymandias  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:58:20pm

i guess this is so they can say they resolved it prior to the election.

whatever else happens, she has been a pleasant surprise of the election.

39 P. Aaron  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:58:29pm

TRIPLE 'D' Ain't just about cup size anymore!

DDD=Democrat dumpster-diving

40 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:58:30pm

OT: On the other V-P candidate (we shouldn't leave him out, his feelings might get hurt). Today he said that he doesn't make gaffes:

“I never make any big, big gaffes,” [Biden] added. “I mean, you guys love saying that about me, but I tell you what, just look at the numbers. I don’t have any problem with what I’ve said and there’s nothing I’ve said that I would back off of.”

I can count at least three gaffes that would have been big if they'd actually been reported. And that's not counting the V-P debate.

41 kynna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:59:02pm

This was such an obvious set-up. I'm still waiting to find out more about the jackass who was fired. I can't even remember the jerk's name, Monagan maybe? I suspect he was a dirty as a gutter and part of the old, entrenched machine that Gov. Palin was breaking up. Forget the trooper himself for now -- what's up with this guy?

The liberal media considers him a martyred saint.

42 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:59:06pm
43 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 6:59:37pm

re: #26 zombie

Aaaagghh! I'm a "-gate"! My reputation is ruined!

Quick, register zombiegate.com!

44 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:00:03pm

The exoneration by the State Personnel Board contradicts the findings of an Alaska state legislative investigator hopes and wishes of every frickin' reporter covering this campaign.

45 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:00:12pm

My mother called a little while ago.

My mother loves Palin. Absolutely loves her.

She never watches Sat Night Live but had heard about its "comedy" this cycle. So she had sat down to watch reruns of its bits on NBC tonight.

She called about 10 minutes into the show incensed. She wasn't going to watch any more. She was terribly offended by how they ridiculed Palin.

And she asked a simple honest question. How does NBC have a right to broadcast this the night before an election.

Not in the Constitutional sense but it the common decency and fairness sense, it's a hell of a question.

46 Hobbes  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:00:15pm

re: #7 nyc redneck

of course she is cleared. they knew it when they started this witch hunt.

Exactly!

47 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:00:22pm

re: #36 Desert Dog

I am sure we will get the "unmuzzled" Ayers, Wright and Michelle too..all who have kept their traps shut.....once (if) Obama gets in, get ready for a tsunami of crap.

My money is on Michelle to go first. She can't hold the bile in any longer. We need an LGF pool bet on this one.

48 mattm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:00:47pm

This is actually on the NYT front page.

49 pat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:13pm

Wasn't this suppose to come out the day after tomorrow?

50 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:23pm

re: #40 arethusa

My personal favorite was his LIE that we have spent more $ on the Iraq campaign in a month than on the entire Afghan campaign. No way on earth it was a gaffe.

51 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:39pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

INTERNAL Server Error on the Joe D. Plumber page...

52 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:42pm

re: #43 Alouette

Quick, register zombiegate.com!

Too late.

53 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:44pm
54 witwwats  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:01:54pm

D**n time.

55 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:02:05pm

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

Sheen, of Lincoln, Nebraska, says his vote is coming down to one issue: abortion. Sheen says he's "definitely pro-life" and he's trying to decide whether Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain is more in line with his views.

How the hell is that possible?

56 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:02:19pm

re: #47 ratherdashing

You'll get no more than even money on that bet.....she is like soda can that's been shaken up for months....I do not want to hear what's going to come out either....

57 kynna  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:02:25pm

re: #29 BignJames

Joe The Plumber gets off w/warning.

In the article they ID him as 'Samuel'. I thought that was his first name and he goes by Joe -- from his middle name. Wonder why they would call him Samuel instead. They must like the sound of it. Yeah, right.

58 AMER1CAN  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:03:37pm

OT: Saw the first ad that talked/linked Obama to that evil pos rev. wright. Too bad it's the night before the election.

My opinion: too little way way too late.

Seems this add should have been running for weeks. Maybe it has in other places, but I'm here in Dallas and saw it for the first time and I know for a fact that it hasn't been running in Houston at all. Granted McCain should win this state, but still, I hope they have been running that ad other places.

59 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:03:56pm

re: #56 Desert Dog

You'll get no more than even money on that bet.....she is like soda can that's been shaken up for months....I do not want to hear what's going to come out either....

I want to hear what she says when her amazing Barry loses the election. Unhinged and unmuzzled.

60 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:02pm

re: #45 Opinionated

I'm against that broadcast, too; it's traditional, but I thought they always did it earlier than the night before the election.

I just had to explain to my mother, who has always been a staunch Republican, but doesn't watch a lot of TV, that McCain did not actually appear on QVC because he had no money.

61 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:03pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

The same way that polls show people believe that McCain and not Obama will raise their taxes.

This isn't an election so much as an IQ test.

And too many of the American people are proving to be borderline retarded.

62 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:04pm

re: #55 gregg

This sounds like a case of "I know who I am voting for, I am not telling you, I am saying something that makes no sense at all to see what you do with it, you stupid reporter."

63 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:13pm

re: #23 swamprat

Gee, I sure hope that's true!

64 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:15pm

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

11th-hour "objectivity" figleaf.

Part of the fun on Thursday will be seeing all the papers and news channels try to win back the viewers they lost during the election.

65 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:04:25pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?


It's not. It's just another last minute ploy to confuse a segment of single issue voters.

66 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:05:01pm

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever notice that Republicans are not allowed to fire anybody?

Reagan...evil for firing Air Traffic Reporters
Bush...evil for firing Lawyers
Palin...evil for firing the guy who couldn't follow orders...

Can you say, "White House Travel Office"?

FBV - YOU'RE FIRED for even pointing this out! Dems can fire, but Repubs cannot! It's in the Constitutionamication, or something like that.

67 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:05:23pm

Have taken my sleeping pill. Will go to bed here in an hour, and wake up early so as to be at my polling place when it opens at 6 am.

I'm not sure there IS such a thing as 6 am, but I intend to find out.

Going to vote for Sarah Palin and against the Messiah. :)

68 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:05:50pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

Its possible because MSM have NOT REPORTED Obama's 'leave the aborted-but-living baby in the utility closet until it dies' stand.

Therefore 'Undecided', Gregg...

69 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:05:52pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

That is the level of brainwashing that's gone on this election. If you cannot tell the difference between those two candidates, especially on that issue, maybe you should not vote.

Let's see, one is against abortion and says, without hesitation, that life begins at conception. The other says it's above his pay grade, but he voted yes on a bill that allows "doctors" to let a baby be partially born and then KILL IT (and deny medical help if it should somehow survive). That is pretty gray, isn't it?

70 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:05:54pm

re: #58 AMER1CAN

On Friday night, I saw a Rev Wright/Ayers/Rezko/Palestinian donations ad here in MA.

Obviosuly geared towards the NH voters near our border who watch the Boston channels.

It was.....AWESOME.

71 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:06:30pm

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

11th-hour "objectivity" figleaf.

Eh. The Personnel Board

did issue

its finding today. If they had issued it a month ago and no one had reported it until now, that would be a problem.

72 baxtrice  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:06:45pm

re: #66 Intrepid

FBV - YOU'RE FIRED for even pointing this out! Dems can fire, but Repubs cannot! It's in the Constitutionamication, or something like that.

Constitutionamication? Constitution + Communication?

73 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:06:50pm

re: #60 arethusa

I'm against that broadcast, too; it's traditional, before the election.

But has it ever been this one sided? Has it ever been a one sided attack ad against one party only?

74 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:06:53pm

re: #67 Palandine

Have taken my sleeping pill. Will go to bed here in an hour, and wake up early so as to be at my polling place when it opens at 6 am.

I'm not sure there IS such a thing as 6 am, but I intend to find out.

Going to vote for Sarah Palin and against the Messiah. :)

The only good thing that comes at 6am is 6 more hours of sleep.

75 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:07:15pm

re: #40 arethusa

OT: On the other V-P candidate (we shouldn't leave him out, his feelings might get hurt). Today he said that he doesn't make gaffes:

I can count at least three gaffes that would have been big if they'd actually been reported. And that's not counting the V-P debate.

Ya know, if you feel you have to tell people you don't gaffe, then chances are you are a walking, talking gaffe-machine.

76 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:07:16pm

re: #6 gmsc

Wait until this gets into all the MSM papers . . . on Thursday.

Precisely. Now nobody is listening and the MSM is hardly apologizing

77 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:07:33pm

some guy in nebraska is either really really shelterd or just plain dumb

obama when life begins is above obamas paygrade and he has shown on his record that he is for any and all abortions, no matter when

mc cain believes that life begins at conception

sorry big red fans, that nebraska guy is a moron

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:


How the hell is that possible?

78 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:02pm

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

79 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:08pm

So now the press will focus on Obama's sludge, right? Right?
Oh no...

80 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:19pm

re: #10 zombie

Remember, folks -- just add "-gate" to any word, and you have an instant scandal! Where none existed before!

Facts? Who needs facts?

I wonder if we will ever see the day that the *-gate construction ceases to be used to denote a scandal? It's really getting tiresome.

81 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:22pm

Good morning, Reptilia!

I trust this news does not come too little too late...it is 10PM on the East Coast, I believe?

82 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:35pm

re: #73 Opinionated

But has it ever been this one sided? Has it ever been a one sided attack ad against one party only?

No, of course not. I do think they make fun of Biden a decent amount, but I don't think they've ever made fun of The One. (I'm not a regular watcher.) Right there it's biased.

83 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:40pm

re: #40 arethusa

OT: On the other V-P candidate (we shouldn't leave him out, his feelings might get hurt). Today he said that he doesn't make gaffes:

I can count at least three gaffes that would have been big if they'd actually been reported. And that's not counting the V-P debate.

Now, arethusa, that's not fair. It's an insult to the French military that helped us kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon 2 years ago.

/

84 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:44pm
85 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:53pm

Man. Are we really this close?

Are Americans really going to pick a man with no accomplishments other than running for president to be the next leader of the free world? A man who has close ties to radical socialists and domestic terrorists. A man who is so far out of mainstream he was identified as being the most leftist politician in the country.

Are Americans really going to vote against a decorated war hero who served his country in times of war and peace? A man who knows war, and will do everything he can to avoid it, yet will not hesitate when it is needed. A man who speaks and votes his conscience over party lines. A man who is in the center politically and has a record of working with members of both parties.

In times of economic crisis one man says he will immediately suspend all but essential government spending. The other man wishes to increase taxes on those "who can afford it", and adopt social programs with astronomical costs.

Are we Americans that naive?

God help us all.

86 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:08:59pm

re: #79 Joan Not of Arc

So now the press will focus on Obama's sludge, right? Right?
Oh no...

Yes, in November of 1016

87 AMER1CAN  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:09:04pm

re: #70 loppyd

I just hope it's not too late. The ad I saw was awesome as well. But the question I asled myself is why the hell we have not seen this from the McCain campaign for the last month. Seems a little late to the game to drop these ads mere days before people are to vote. I do hope I'm wrong.

88 pat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:09:08pm

Someone finally figured out that if she loses she will be back in Alaska, with a 82% approval rating, and not in a good mood.

89 DisturbedEma  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:09:15pm

I am going to sign off, my lovely, reassuring lizardim!

I am not going to eeyore you all, I am just so worried, as a mom, a Jew, and a free thinker. . .


G-d Bless America and McCain/ Palin!

90 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:09:26pm

I just got here and I don't dare to leave this thread as this laptop is agonizingly slow.

Who is Madelyn Dunham?

91 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:09:45pm

re: #86 Desert Dog

Yes, in November of 1016

oops, 2016.....hell, it might as well be 1016 for that matter

92 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:05pm

Sarah Palin on SNL!
Thanks Lorne.

93 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:10pm

re: #90 loppyd

BHO Grandma...she died today

94 rwmofo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:16pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:


How the hell is that possible?

Ya see, the people who make sense...don't go on the air there.

95 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:25pm

re: #90 loppyd

I just got here and I don't dare to leave this thread as this laptop is agonizingly slow.

Who is Madelyn Dunham?

Barack Obama's grandmother.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:28pm

re: #78 Charles


Shame on them.

97 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:10:44pm

re: #75 Intrepid

Ya know, if you feel you have to tell people you don't gaffe, then chances are you are a walking, talking gaffe-machine.

I heard a comment today, something to the effect:
Biden has been a Senator for so long and spoken so much that one would think at sometime he'd say something correct.

98 gregg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:02pm

re: #65 ratherdashing

It's not. It's just another last minute ploy to confuse a segment of single issue voters.

I've tuned out the MSM in the run up to the election, so I have no idea what they are saying. I know it's distorted, but it can't be that distorted, can it?

99 arethusa  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:03pm

re: #83 Palandine

Now, arethusa, that's not fair. It's an insult to the French military that helped us kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon 2 years ago.

/

You're right! Every day I give thanks for the French. Where would we be without them in Lebanon?////

I'm going to be seeing the unfamiliar hour of 6 am tomorrow, too! Good luck!

100 sagamoregal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:10pm

Sarah gives it back to SNL/NBC with the "Palin Doctrine"!

You go girl!

101 pat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:15pm

re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

Whoa. Mrs. Dunham was a fine woman. The first Sr Vice President of a bank in Hawaii ever. And it was our largest bank. My godfather was her boss.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:19pm

re: #90 loppyd

I just got here and I don't dare to leave this thread as this laptop is agonizingly slow.

Who is Madelyn Dunham?

Obama's Grandmother died today.

103 kahall  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:19pm

She still hates wolves though right?

104 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:27pm

Wow, Zero is horrid off the cuff, isn't he? Watching him on MNF is just horrible.

105 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:28pm

re: #85 Racer X

mmm. yep.

106 Muadib  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:30pm

re: #10 zombie

0bamagate

107 Cartman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:31pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

Fairly typical of an "undecided". Clueless from the git-go.

108 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:45pm

w/ all the 2 yrs. of msm help, aiding and abetting, shilling for, covering for, propagandizing for, lying abt., and exalting the O, he should not be struggling now. he should be so far a head of mccain . the O should be basking in his sure win.
the truth is america recognizes what a disastrous choice he is. and that is why he can NOT close the deal.
the msm has failed.
they have failed the O.
it will be a bona fide joke soon.

109 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:51pm

Bu..bu...but the abuse of power!

110 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:57pm

re: #80 Alberta Oil Peon

I wonder if we will ever see the day that the *-gate construction ceases to be used to denote a scandal? It's really getting tiresome.

I often wondered what the people who run, or even just work at, the Watergate Hotel think about having the "-gate" suffix applied to every political scandal.

Why didn't this catch on after the Teapot Dome Scandal? (Hmmm . . . "Zombiedome" - that has possibilities!)
;)

111 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:11:58pm

It makes my head spin to think how the pres would have reacted to this story had the shoe been on the other foot, and this trooper was under fire from 0bama or Biden. They wouldn't have even blinked!

112 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:08pm

re: #90 loppyd

Madelyn Dunham is Obama's maternal grandmother, the one who RAISED HIM and just died.

113 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:17pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

I saw one of those morons on CNN a while back, a woman from Pennsylvania with like 7 kids who said she couldn't fiugre out who was more pro-life.

I don't know, maybe NOT the guy who voted that if a baby survived an abortion, it should receive no medical care but be left to die on a shelf. Maybe.

I refuse to believe these folks are for real. They just don't want the trouble Joe the Plumber got.

114 sagamoregal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:19pm

SNL hates Obama!

115 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:30pm

Networks May Call Race Before Voting Is Complete

At least one broadcast network and one Web site said Monday that they could foresee signaling to viewers early Tuesday evening which candidate appeared to have won the presidency, despite the unreliability of some early exit polls in the last presidential election.

A senior vice president of CBS News, Paul Friedman, said the prospects for Barack Obama or John McCain meeting the minimum threshold of electoral votes could be clear as soon as 8 p.m. — before polls in even New York and Rhode Island close, let alone those in Texas and California. At such a moment, determined from a combination of polling data and samples of actual votes, the network could share its preliminary projection with viewers, Mr. Friedman said.

/file under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

116 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:12:44pm

re: #78 Charles

I am sorry you had to do something like this, Charles. I liked to think we had more class and avoided such shameful behavior.

117 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:07pm

re: #103 kahall

She still hates wolves though right?

Dear lord...

*implements self-discipline protocols*

118 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:12pm

The real story?
Left-wing media-gate.

119 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:22pm

re: #103 kahall

She still hates wolves though right?


Yes, and Polar Bears too.

Don't worry.

120 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:25pm

re: #90 loppyd

Evening Loppy! Did you get my e-mail?

Madelyn Dunham is IIRC Barack Obama's "typical white, racist" grandmother.

121 swamprat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:30pm

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

They might be afraid of what's gonna happen when Momma comes home! When the cat's away the mice get themselves in trouble.

Hey booooyyys! The governor is home!....Have you been good?

122 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:33pm

re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

That is unfortunate that some people here can't be respectful to her nor you.

123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:42pm
124 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:45pm
The same way that polls show people believe that McCain and not Obama will raise their taxes.

This isn't an election so much as an IQ test.

And too many of the American people are proving to be borderline retarded.

Ain't that the truth. A friend of mine was canvasing from the Republicans. He was given a list of registered Republicans, and was sent out to encourage them to vote. Well, something went awry with the list, because he knocked on the door of a dyed-in-the-wool dem, who proceeded to curse my friend, call him a communist, and then call the police on him. He returned home to find an officer waiting. A few minutes of conversation with the officer, and my friend learned that the officer's frank assessment of the sanity of his accuser was questionable.

125 baxtrice  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:13:57pm

re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

My goodness, how can people be so cruel? Whatever we think of Barrack Obama, being disrespectful to the dead is never justified.

126 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:14:04pm

Condolences to the Obama family. Some things transcend politics.

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:14:38pm

Riddle me this Charles, if you're there...

If I have LGF open on two pages, does that slow down your system?

Meaning if three thousand Lizards have you open in multiple pages, does that hit your system with the power of 6,000 online?

Is this even an cogent question?

128 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:14:39pm

That is sad that she passed away.

129 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:15:06pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Networks May Call Race Before Voting Is Complete

/file under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

LOL. There's a file for that?

130 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:15:45pm
Condolences to the Obama family. Some things transcend politics.

Well, for those who regard some things higher than the state, anyway.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:15:46pm

re: #126 MrPaulRevere

Condolences to the Obama family. Some things should transcend politics.

fixed it.

132 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:15:50pm

re: #85 Racer X

Man. Are we really this close?

Are Americans really going to pick a man with no accomplishments other than running for president to be the next leader of the free world? A man who has close ties to radical socialists and domestic terrorists. A man who is so far out of mainstream he was identified as being the most leftist politician in the country.

Are Americans really going to vote against a decorated war hero who served his country in times of war and peace? A man who knows war, and will do everything he can to avoid it, yet will not hesitate when it is needed. A man who speaks and votes his conscience over party lines. A man who is in the center politically and has a record of working with members of both parties.

In times of economic crisis one man says he will immediately suspend all but essential government spending. The other man wishes to increase taxes on those "who can afford it", and adopt social programs with astronomical costs.

Are we Americans that naive?

God help us all.

No we are that uninformed though. The media has failed to do anything but cheerlead an Obama victory. There has been no investigation of his record, no critique of these literally wonders he has written and all investigation of his past and associations has been squelched. The people have been led to believe he is "the One", a new JFK an amazing leader. The squealing woman on You Tube really thinks he will save her economically. Others believe that he will bring world peace. Why? The media has asked no questions, shown no skepticism. They've nodded. And the media, the news departments, are supposed to tell us the truth and protect us from charlatans.

Now a few in the media say they don't know who Obama is. Well I wonder whose job it was to investigate?

133 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:16:24pm

re: #74 Badge of Kaffir Pride

The only good thing that comes at 6am is 6 more hours of sleep.

"It's O-600. What's the O stand for? 'Oh my God, it's early'."
--Good Morning Vietnam

134 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:16:42pm

BBIAB

135 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:16:50pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Networks May Call Race Before Voting Is Complete

/file under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

In other related stories:
Water may be wet
A dog may bite a man today
Things dropped on Earth may fall down

136 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:17:05pm

re: #89 DisturbedEma

I am going to sign off, my lovely, reassuring lizardim!

I am not going to eeyore you all, I am just so worried, as a mom, a Jew, and a free thinker. . .


G-d Bless America and McCain/ Palin!

Say tehillim!

137 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:17:12pm

What about all the illegal money flowing into Obama's machine?


*crickets*

138 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:17:19pm

My Board's better than your Board.
My Board's better than yours.

139 AMER1CAN  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:17:22pm

The MSN can't afford for the messiah to loose. Think about all the man hours that have already gone into the "first black president" folder. Article after article is just waiting to be thrust on us. They have already been written, edited, approved and are currently waiting in the que. One click of button and the web will be infested with these types of thoughtless and pointless articles.

140 Happy Fun Ball  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:17:36pm

We have the birth certificate.

They have the "Troopergate".

Both have been proven bogus.

141 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:06pm

re: #126 MrPaulRevere

Condolences to the Obama family. Some things transcend politics.

I was expecting the assholes to show up and start abusing my site, actually, so it's not really a surprise.

142 TMF  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:09pm

As always, the lefts propaganda machine wins.

They got the meme out, spread it, let it metastasize and burrow into everyones brains "SHE ABUSED POWER", and it was over before it started

WHen the truth came out, it was too late

Just like "Bush lied people died", "Trig is really Palins kid", "Downing Street Memo", and so many other classic leftist tropes

143 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:17pm

re: #133 Palandine

"It's O-600. What's the O stand for? 'Oh my God, it's early'."
--Good Morning Vietnam

Stick with the all-purpose "Oh-dark-thirty."

That takes care of all early hours, no precision required and you don't really want to know what time it is.

144 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:28pm

Literary.PIMF

145 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:34pm

re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

Thanks

146 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:36pm

This is actually the only report by the lawfully designated agency in Alaska - the Personnel Board. The legislature took it up only as a political manoeuver by the Dems in the Alaskan legislature, such as Hollis French, who claimed he was a Marine vet when, in reality, he couldn't even make it through a shortened form of boot camp.

Good for the Personnel Board for doing their jobs and getting this (late) report out before the election.

Shame on the partisan hacks in Alaska who did their best to sway the election because of their own comparably small penises, as opposed to Sarah Palin's balls. (sorry for the crudity)

heh.

147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:40pm
148 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:48pm

re: #140 Happy Fun Ball

"we" never had the birth certificate. "Us" knew it was bunk from the get go and chose not to participate in silliness.

149 Maximu§  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:52pm

The legislature's investigator, Stephen Branchflower

Perhaps we should have a federal grand jury investigate Stephen Branchflower....any guy with that kinda name must have an agenda.

150 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:18:59pm

re: #137 FrogMarch

What about all the illegal money flowing into Obama's machine?

But Sarah Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is! Focus on the real issues, man!

151 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:19:02pm

re: #71 Cognito

its finding today. If they had issued it a month ago and no one had reported it until now, that would be a problem.

Kind of like a doctor waiting around for a patient to code before administering any care. The important thing though is, he DID administer care, right?

Got it.
/

152 Irene NYC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:19:16pm

I thought that after Florida was incorrectly called against Bush because the Panhandle hadn't voted yet that there was some kind of rule passed that there could be no calling a state before the polls closed.

/maybe it's wishful thinking on my part

153 maddogg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:19:51pm

So when do you suppose the ass licking MSM is going to fill us in on:

1. Ayresgate?

2. Wrightgate?

3. Acorngate?

4. Commiegate?

5. Islamistgate?

6. Illegalfinancesgate?

7. etc.,etc gate?

154 TMF  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:01pm

Props to President Bush

He kept us safe for nearly 8 years

Thats enough.

155 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:03pm

i am so sorry you had to do that Charles. She was a grandmother who loved her grandson and he loved her too. and she was to be commended for raising her grandson (like many grandparents do) when the mom decided her lifestyle was more impprtant than her own son. grandmother was a great woman in that respect for sure. Any time someone loses a loved on it is a sad day, no matter how i might feel about politics, i send out prayers to the family may she rest in peace


re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

156 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

But Sarah Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is! Focus on the real issues, man!

I don't think Bush knows what it is anymore.

157 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:31pm

re: #97 solomonpanting

I heard a comment today, something to the effect:
Biden has been a Senator for so long and spoken so much that one would think at sometime he'd say something correct.

Heh, like the stopped clock that's right twice a day....

158 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:39pm

re: #141 Charles

I hope you nailed 'em man. They show no respect for you, for the site and ultimately no self respect.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:54pm

Oh, I pray thee, Mighty Spinning Wheel of the Hoary Underworld...What does thou bidst of me?....

160 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:55pm

re: #34 Karridine

An allegation is enough. Remember, it is the seriousness of the allegation, not the truthfullness.

At least when the accused is a Republican.

161 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:20:55pm

re: #133 Palandine

"It's O-600. What's the O stand for? 'Oh my God, it's early'."
--Good Morning Vietnam

"Airman, what does 3 up and 3 down mean to you?"

"The end of an innning?"

162 Clutch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:01pm

re: #26 zombie

Aaaagghh! I'm a "-gate"! My reputation is ruined!

Well, since no-one knows what you look like, you could be a gate.
Or a lamp post.
Or a hot-dog vendors cart.
Or a trash bin.
Who knows? Only da zombie knows and it ain't a-tellin'! And none y'all start guessin' either!
(My self-given nic in my last year of high school was "Zomby Woof" after the FZ tune from OVERNIGHT SENSATION. Wrote the lyrics to it on the wall of my senior HS stage...bad, bad Clutch...)

163 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:14pm

re: #156 SpartanWoman

Obama does - he has suggested we invoke it on Pakistan.

164 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:39pm

Meanwhile, PBS is running a Frontline about the election. What did they out with? Why, a segment about McCain and the Keating Five scandal, of course.

165 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:52pm

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.

166 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:57pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Networks May Call Race Before Voting Is Complete

/file under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

If my neighborhood gets burned down because the media filth call the elction wrong, I _will_ be send the bill to CBS News. My God, they think it's all a big game for ratings.

167 Happy Fun Ball  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:21:57pm

re: #148 ArmyWife

"we" never had the birth certificate. "Us" knew it was bunk from the get go and chose not to participate in silliness.

Sorry, I was in a hurry. I meant that our side has the birth certificate nuts and their side has the "Troopergate" nuts. Both were proven to be wrong.

168 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:22:31pm

re: #152 Irene NYC

I thought that after Florida was incorrectly called against Bush because the Panhandle hadn't voted yet that there was some kind of rule passed that there could be no calling a state before the polls closed.

Rule?

Rule?

Don't make me laugh.

The networks are hoping there will be no rules for them to abide by, retroactively, once they do their final bit to push him into office.

What's paying a $50,000 fine compared to tricking 5 millions McCain voters into staying home?

169 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:22:41pm

This "scandal" was a few facts short of a -gate. Heck, it didn't even rate as a kerfuffle.

All that you needed to know was that Palin had the right to fire at-will employees for any reason. And she had reason enough to fire this guy. No violation of law. No ethics violations. Nothing.

Seems that the media forgot what the heck at-will employment means. Figures.

170 solomonpanting  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:22:55pm

re: #157 Moe Katz

Heh, like the stopped clock that's right twice a day....

In Biden's case, make it a 24-hour clock---once a day.

171 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:01pm
172 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:05pm

Charles, did you happen to show the morons who think they own LGF who actually owns LGF - by locking the doors on them?

173 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:19pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

But Sarah Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is! Focus on the real issues, man!

I'm tying. Palin bought herself a tanning bed. I demand a paternity test for Trig! Palin drinks moose blood.

btw - Someone should note-card quiz that little bitch Katie Couric and ask her some gotcha questions.

174 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:22pm

re: #165 Charles

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.

Is there anything better than incoherent hate mail? I'm an admin of a really unpopular FBook group and I get 2 or 3 per day that make me giggle.

175 witwwats  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:31pm

re: #165 Charles

Forward to Daily Kos: ATTN: Enrollment

176 Irene NYC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:50pm

re: #168 zombie

/sheepishly hitting forehead

Yes, zombie, of course you are right.

177 JeremyR  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:23:52pm

re: #78 Charles

The Madelyn Dunham thread is closed to comments, because the morons who think they own LGF, and can post whatever they want, insisted on being assholes.

My condolences go out to Obama and his family. I sincerely hope this election gives him ample time in the next few months to grieve as a grandson should for the woman who raised him.

178 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:00pm

I just saw the Wright ad, on local CBS here in Chicago! Thank you, GOP Trust! Best $30 I ever spent.

179 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:14pm

re: #164 Ward Cleaver

Meanwhile, PBS is running a Frontline about the election. What did they out with? Why, a segment about McCain and the Keating Five scandal, of course.

It's good to see that they are honest whores.

When they are bought, they stay bought.

180 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:15pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Networks May Call Race Before Voting Is Complete

/file under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

Didn't they get busted for that back in 2000?

181 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:27pm

re: #141 Charles

I was expecting the assholes to show up and start abusing my site, actually, so it's not really a surprise.

Your zero-tolerance policy is a wise move. You asked those who are allowed to post here to show a little respect. Most would have anyways. Those that chose not to look before they post crap, or ignored your advice, well, buh-bye.

182 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:31pm

Thomas Sowell wrote a nice piece for IBD, seems Biden graduated 76 out of 85 in his law school class. Quite the legal beagle

183 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:32pm

re: #172 Noam Sayin'

No need to answer - just saw your 165.

184 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:43pm

Godfuckingdammit.

They're showing shots of a massive Obama rally in Virginia, comparing it favorably against the "Confederate victories" in that Manassas(?) area back then.

185 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:45pm

re: #165 Charles

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.

Are any from among today's newbies?

186 rasta16ry  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:47pm

As far as these people who can't decide which of the candidates is pro-life and which is pro-abortion, I imagine that CNN interviews thousands of people. Talk to enough maniacs and one of them is going to give you what you're looking for. Journalism 101!

I heard someone on the subway say that Obama was the only candidate defending the 2nd Amendment.

187 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:24:56pm

re: #85 Racer X

I think we're screwed. Our next task is to make Obama's Administration a burden unto him for all the days of his life. Judgeships should be our first order of obstruction. No more Ginsbergs.

188 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:06pm

re: #165 Charles

Do they honestly think somehow hateful emails hurt you? The narcissism in these characters is absurd.

189 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:18pm

re: #165 Charles

Because that's a great way to get reinstated!

190 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:31pm

re: #182 SpartanWoman

Thomas Sowell wrote a nice piece for IBD, seems Biden graduated 76 out of 85 in his law school class. Quite the legal beagle

What do they call the student who ranked last in law school?

Counsellor.

191 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:32pm

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

Dammit, I miss all the unhinged postings.

Yeah, me neither.

192 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:40pm

re: #184 laZardo

Godfuckingdammit.

They're showing shots of a massive Obama rally in Virginia, comparing it favorably against the "Confederate victories" in the that Manassas(?) area Manassas Park Area back then.

There we go.

"If Virginia goes, it's over."

/HRRRRRRR.

193 zombie  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:25:51pm

re: #176 Irene NYC

/sheepishly hitting forehead

Yes, zombie, of course you are right.

I'm quite sure the networks all have their "President Obama" graphics all lined up and ready to go. The only thing now is a race to see which network will get theirs on-air first.

194 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:26:15pm

re: #165 Charles

Is the hate so intense that some assholes need a visit from the FBI?

There is certain stuff that you or anyone else should not have to tolerate.

195 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #165 Charles

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.


Will you name names?

196 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:26:47pm

re: #167 Happy Fun Ball

ok. Didn't mean to jump prematurely.

197 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:05pm

re: #190 MandyManners

What do they call the student who ranked last in law school?

Counsellor.

Like the person who graduated last in his/her med school class is still Doctor...but Biden said he graduated in the top half of the class.

198 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:08pm

re: #165 Charles

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.

How many were newbies/sockpuppets who signed up at the last opening?

199 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:08pm

re: #78 Charles

Wow, I thought we were lizards with integrity and decorum. Sad that some people feel the need to hit someone when they're down.

200 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:12pm

re: #193 zombie

I'm quite sure the networks all have their "President Obama" graphics all lined up and ready to go. The only thing now is a race to see which network will get theirs on-air first.

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

201 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:25pm

re: #190 MandyManners

I always though it was "your honor". =)

202 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:34pm

re: #187 Iron Fist

I think we're screwed. Our next task is to make Obama's Administration a burden unto him for all the days of his life. Judgeships should be our first order of obstruction. No more Ginsbergs.

I'm not throwing in the towel just yet. But should O win, I give him 6 months tops before the media begins to turn on him. And it will be brutal.

203 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:42pm

re: #193 zombie

I'm quite sure the networks all have their "President Obama" graphics all lined up and ready to go. The only thing now is a race to see which network will get theirs on-air first.

That could be the second LGF pool.

Which network calls the election for Obama first?

204 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:43pm

re: #184 laZardo

Godfuckingdammit.

They're showing shots of a massive Obama rally in Virginia, comparing it favorably against the "Confederate victories" in that Manassas(?) area back then.

the Confederates lost the freaking war.

205 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:47pm

re: #152 Irene NYC

I thought that after Florida was incorrectly called against Bush because the Panhandle hadn't voted yet that there was some kind of rule passed that there could be no calling a state before the polls closed.

/maybe it's wishful thinking on my part

Rules? RULES? The media don't need no STINKIN' RULES!!!

206 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:27:51pm

And I just got another email about Obama's birth certificate.

Guh.

207 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:18pm

re: #203 ratherdashing

That could be the second LGF pool.

Which network calls the election for Obama first?

Give me CNN for $50.

208 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:21pm

re: #201 ArmyWife

I always though it was "your honor". =)

I'm afraid it's really "Senator"

209 Alouette  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:23pm

re: #203 ratherdashing

That could be the second LGF pool.

Which network calls the election for Obama first?

MSNBC.

210 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:42pm

re: #204 Alouette

the Confederates lost the freaking war.

I think they're trying to make some kind of point...not sure what.

211 rusty_armor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:45pm

Why, if'n that don't beat all ... they done gone and eggzonerated Mz Palin on election eve. I am sure this is going to help her campain and all them dimmikrats are fall over themselves appolojizin' to her.

Yeppers ...

212 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:48pm

re: #184 laZardo

As a Southerner, I would like to remind you who won that War. The Confederate victories aren't something I'd quote as an exemplar of great "success". Not after the way that little episode was settled.

213 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:28:58pm

re: #209 Alouette

MSNBC.

Concur.

214 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:01pm

re: #187 Iron Fist

I think we're screwed. Our next task is to make Obama's Administration a burden unto him for all the days of his life. Judgeships should be our first order of obstruction. No more Ginsbergs.

That's all going to depend on how the Senate comes out. If there's 42 or less Republicans, he'll be able to pretty much ram through whatever the Dems will let him. The only hope is that he'll piss the voters off enough in two years to vote in more Republicans, to act as a check on him.

215 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:05pm

re: #203 ratherdashing

That could be the second LGF pool.

Which network calls the election for Obama first?

MSNBC...no pool needed.

216 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:18pm

re: #180 Ward Cleaver

Didn't they get busted for that back in 2000?

Yeah, think that'll stop them from doing it again?

/they'd call this election right now if they thought they could get away with it

217 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:25pm

re: #197 SpartanWoman

Oh you are so not nuanced. He was in the top half of the bottom 11. Sheesh.

///////

218 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:29pm

Lady Lynne is on Greta.
The PUMA people will be out in force tomorrow. I think Lady Lynne is not a Hillary fan anymore.

219 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:34pm

Hello my fellow Lizards,
I just want to point something out for the lizard hordes to keep an eye on... now that election fever is soon to come to an end (within 24 hours we'll know who wins it! Scary thought =S).

UN Watch is doing an EXCELLENT job keeping an eye out on the preparations for Durban II.

The schemes and maneuvers of the Islamic bloc, leftists, anti-Semites, and anti-western activists is astounding. The warning beacon that was the first Durban conference has largely been swept under the rug, because it was overshadowed by the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

I think that exposing the machinations of the planners for Durban II would do a lot to expose the failures of the UN and greatly expand the "anti-jihad" movement. Such blatant politics and deceit must not be allowed to go unnoticed.

For an explicit of what I am talking about, see this summary on what is going on to try and force another NGO Forum -- where the bulk of the controversy was stirred in the first conference.

Please, my fellow lizard's, keep an eye out for this one!

220 Racer X  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:37pm

re: #203 ratherdashing

That could be the second LGF pool.

Which network calls the election for Obama first?

First!

Like there's an award or something.

221 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:48pm

re: #186 rasta16ry

Aren't they in for a surprise?

222 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:50pm

re: #195 newsjunkie_ky

Will you name names?

Don't ask him to do that. We don't need to go there.

223 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:29:59pm

i predict that the msm (george and charlie) will gleefully be playing with their "touch screen" and will call the race hours and hours before the polls close in the west coast states, not to mention HAWAII, they will be tryiong to say that there is really no reason for anyone else to vote because all the early voters have already voted in numbers that can't possibly be overrulled or changed my some jonny come latelys (i mean traditional voters who vote on election day) I can't wait to see them try to talk around each other when McCain wins and the can't make all the states blue,, come on NEVADA lets go red! BTW i did not know that not all states have early voting,, i wish mind did not
re: #129 ratherdashing

LOL. There's a file for that?

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:00pm
225 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:07pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

I thought the title meant they may call "race" before polling is complete because Obama is losing. Silly me.

226 ratherdashing  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:19pm

re: #215 OldLineTexan

MSNBC...no pool needed.

tweet! everybody outa the pool.

227 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:21pm

re: #215 OldLineTexan

MSNBC...no pool needed.

CNN: Obama is Donna Brazile's baby.

/Figuratively, of course.

228 Quad Mocha Matti  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:24pm

Good Evening, fellow lizards,

As much as I have been addicted to LGF, especially over the past few weeks as the next day of infamy unfolds, the need to work on projects with my clients and earn a few $$$ while they are still in business has taken a higher priority.

Just heard a while ago during the top of the hour news from ABC radio while changing stations about Sarah being exonerated. The hack (news reader) blew through that info as quick as possible, and it seemed to me that the reader felt that was something that should not have even been included in the report.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:29pm

re: #153 maddogg

Oh...Starting Nov 5...unless he loses. Then it'll be after the next POTUS election.

230 baxtrice  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:35pm

re: #209 Alouette

MSNBC.

You do know that that Olberman and Matthews will be chairing for Election Night, right? So basically, if you put money on the table for that bet, you've got good odds.

231 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:40pm

re: #212 Iron Fist

re: #204 Alouette

They're saying in the context that "it's a black man holding what may be his last rally before a presidential victory where the Confederates won a number of battles."

Sorry if I'm stoking tempers here...

/[expletive deleted], he's on the podium...

232 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:41pm

re: #200 OldLineTexan

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

LTFY
(Linked that for you)

233 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:30:44pm

re: #205 Opilio

Rules? RULES? The media don't need no STINKIN' RULES!

Not to live up to my reputation too completely, but... Yeah. We should be circumspect about placing any rules on the press.

Why, you may ask? I think we might see exactly why, over the course of an Obama presidency. I think he's far more suppressive of a free press than most people realize, considering a few key interactions. He just hasn't had to flex that suppression much, yet.

234 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:04pm

Are the Redskins winning?

235 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:09pm

re: #218 newsjunkie_ky

Lady Lynne is on Greta.
The PUMA people will be out in force tomorrow. I think Lady Lynne is not a Hillary fan anymore.

What makes you say that?

236 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:10pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

Amusing given his penchant for braggadocio about his IQ.

Mind you, having plummeted from the top of my class to the middle for a number of non-intelligence-related reasons, I can say that class position is not necessarily dispositive of anything in particular.

Ah, but lying about your ranking is

237 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:25pm

re: #222 Ward Cleaver

I was kind of curious who was among them. I have my suspicions. But I defer to the wisdom in your tenure.

238 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:31pm

re: #200 OldLineTexan

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

Does that make me a rebel? [=

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:32pm
240 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:34pm

Steelers up 16-6 pending PAT.

241 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:31:48pm

re: #209 Alouette

MSNBC.

They may call it before the night is out (and I mean tonight, not tomorrow night) .

242 rightsideup  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:32:21pm

OT, seen on a bumper sticker here in NH:

Gov't Policy: If It Ain't Broke, Fix It 'Til It Is!

243 jayzee  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:32:34pm

Kind of OT, I just got a call from grandma in Florida. She has NEVER voted for a Republican. Tomorrow she will be voting for McCain. Why? Because of BHOs Jewish problem. Too many pro Arab, anti Israel, anti semitic friends. The interesting part is that I cannot tell ANYONE. Not family, not friends, no one we know. She is embarrassed and afraid of confrontation. She thinks there are many more like her out there.

244 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:32:43pm

Now I know Obama's going to win. Big Ben is out with an injured thumb, but Byron Leftwich is airing it out. Steelers just scored another touchdown, and now lead the Redskins 16-6.

245 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:32:54pm

The Obama birth certificate (non)story is part and parcel of what I call the 'magic bullet' theory of politics, and all sides fall for it. "Why, if we can just prove this he's finished". It never, ever works out that way. Just ask Dan Rather.

246 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #190 MandyManners

What do they call the student who ranked last in law school?

Counsellor.

/not until they get past the Bar exam, and that's an equal opportunity bitch, many fall by the wayside

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:33:28pm
248 swamprat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:33:40pm

re: #165 Charles


Waiting for them to all get their own Anti-LGF blogs. They can get Anger Management Therapy at a group discount.

Fiction holds no thrill for me anymore; the world I live in is funny enough, ironic enough, and scarey enough.

249 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:33:41pm

re: #233 Cognito

I agree with you on that. We've seen an unprecedented open hostility towards voters who might disagree with Obama even in the slightest way. Once he has the power, well, I don't expect him to use it sparingly. Nor with wisdom.

250 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:33:51pm

re: #238 laZardo

Does that make me a rebel? [=

Good stuff, and I don't chew "Big Red".

/I guess we are gonna have to throw down

251 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:12pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

What makes you say that?

Did you listen to her? she said Hillary had a lot of explaining to do on why she started supporting The Zero after all she said about him in the primaries. Lynne was not happy about Hillary now supporting 0.

252 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:15pm

re: #246 Killian Bundy

/not until they get past the Bar exam, and that's an equal opportunity bitch, many fall by the wayside

I could never be a lawyer. I've never passed a bar in my life.

253 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:17pm

re: #237 Noam Sayin'

I was kind of curious who was among them. I have my suspicions. But I defer to the wisdom in your tenure.

That's okay, I just don't want to put Charles on the spot.

254 ArmyWife  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:28pm

Ok all. As official poll watcher from 7-9am, I must hit the sack. Chin up, group. We have overcome great odds in the past and will do so again in the future. Positive thinking is in order, as is positive action.

255 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:32pm

re: #248 swamprat

Waiting for them to all get their own Anti-LGF blogs.

They'll have to get in line for that.

256 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:46pm

re: #252 Noam Sayin'

I could never be a lawyer. I've never passed a bar in my life.

Hiccup!

257 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:34:49pm

Like there was any doubt. Of course this is a moot issue now.

Listening to FOX and BHO. The cheering in Va is "Yes, We Can!"--which is the response to Bob the Builder's question of, "Can We Build It?"

Ugh.

258 BignJames  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:35:00pm

re: #190 MandyManners

A guy finishes last in his med school class....gets called Doctor.
I finish second in the nation...get called Idiot.

/Lou Holtz

259 mattm  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:35:01pm

re: #55 gregg

Anyone see this CNN report on undecided voters where some guy in Nebraska explains why he hasn't decided:

How the hell is that possible?

The fact that It's a CNN report should give you a good idea.

260 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:35:17pm

re: #139 AMER1CAN

The MSN can't afford for the messiah to loose. Think about all the man hours that have already gone into the "first black president" folder. Article after article is just waiting to be thrust on us. They have already been written, edited, approved and are currently waiting in the que. One click of button and the web will be infested with these types of thoughtless and pointless articles.


you're right about that, but imagine when he loses, I think they are also ready to run with scathing exposes about how America just can't shake it rascist past, how the GOP again was personal and negative and swiftboated another DEM. etc.

261 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:35:40pm

The assholes of which I speak are not newbies, unfortunately.

Just scared people lashing out.

Well, they can lash out somewhere else.

262 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:35:42pm

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Good stuff, and I don't chew "Big Red".

/I guess we are gonna have to throw down

It's a Ricky Bobby line.

/we don't get Big Red in Manila though... ):

263 Happy Fun Ball  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:36:43pm

re: #234 newsjunkie_ky

No, but then again, they lost in 2004 (that would have meant Kerry wins, but we all know how that turned out).

264 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:36:45pm

re: #262 laZardo

It's a Ricky Bobby line.

/we don't get Big Red in Manila though... ):

I would be happy to throw down with Will Ferrell, based on his history of child abuse (IMHO).

265 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:09pm

re: #255 Charles

They'll have to get in line for that.

Those things always fizzle out. I just went and looked gcp's page, and their last thread was on 9/11, and the one before that was in July. Tumbleweeds.

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:10pm

re: #257 calcajun

Like there was any doubt. Of course this is a moot issue now.

Listening to FOX and BHO. The cheering in Va is "Yes, We Can!"--which is the response to Bob the Builder's question of, "Can We Build It?"

Ugh.

Don't let BHO's rent a crowd get you down! Focus in and let's win.

267 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:11pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Saw it here, in NY...a suburb. It was great!

BTW, I see that the WAPO, for some unknown reason (do I really need a sarc mark?) 'forgot' to mention that it was Democrats who found Governor VP-Elect Palin completely innocent?

Hours before Tuesday's historic presidential election, the Alaska Personnel Board released a report that said Gov. Sarah Palin did not violate state ethics laws when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, according to a report released Monday evening by an independent investigator hired by the panel to probe the matter.

The 56-page report, prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an Anchorage attorney hired by the personnel board to conduct the ethics probe, determined that "there is no basis upon which to refer the conduct of Governor Palin to any law enforcement agency in connection with this matter because Governor Palin did not commit the offenses of Interference with Official Proceedings or Official Misconduct."

Furthermore, Petumenos, a Democrat, said “there is no probable cause to believe that any other official of state government violated any substantive provision of the Ethics Act.”

Petumenos's report also concluded that "there is no probably cause to believe that Governor Palin violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in any other respect in connection with the employment of Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten," Palin's ex brother-in-law, who was entangled in a bitter divorce and child custody dispute with Palin's sister. [...]

268 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:16pm

Anybody waiting to see how Dixville Notch votes?

269 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:37:25pm

re: #264 OldLineTexan

I would be happy to throw down with Will Ferrell, based on his history of child abuse (IMHO).

Wait... what?

270 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:38:07pm

re: #253 Ward Cleaver

That's okay, I just don't want to put Charles on the spot.

Sometimes when I haven't see a nic for a long time, I wonder did they get banned or maybe they died. We would never know why they no longer post a comment.

271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:38:34pm
272 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:38:36pm

re: #186 rasta16ry

A couple weeks back we were treated to a first-person report from a troop stationed in Iraq, who SAW the news media interview more than 100 soldiers, 99 of whom said "McCain/Palin!", and then BROADCAST (as if representative of the lot) all three who responded "Obama!"

No bias here, Rasta. Move along now!

273 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:38:44pm

re: #251 newsjunkie_ky

Did you listen to her? she said Hillary had a lot of explaining to do on why she started supporting The Zero after all she said about him in the primaries. Lynne was not happy about Hillary now supporting 0.

No- I didn't hear her because I don't have cable tv.

274 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:38:49pm

re: #249 Iron Fist

I agree with you on that. We've seen an unprecedented open hostility towards voters who might disagree with Obama even in the slightest way. Once he has the power, well, I don't expect him to use it sparingly. Nor with wisdom.

He'll send the civilian security force after you.

275 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:39:18pm

re: #165 Charles

And of course, the assholes who were banned in that thread are now sending hate mail.

(Do I really wanna go look? ...Nah.)

Since we seem to have inaugurated the hatchling list, why not a list of those who were shown the egress?

276 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:39:37pm

re: #244 Ward Cleaver

Now I know Obama's going to win. Big Ben is out with an injured thumb, but Byron Leftwich is airing it out. Steelers just scored another touchdown, and now lead the Redskins 16-6.

Big deal - They lost their last home game before the election in 2004, which suggested that the incumbent Republican party would also lose. So much for that as an indicator.

277 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:39:39pm

re: #265 Ward Cleaver

You have to go to the forum- they don't really maintain the blog.

278 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:39:54pm

re: #263 Happy Fun Ball

No, but then again, they lost in 2004 (that would have meant Kerry wins, but we all know how that turned out).

I thought that they lost, but didn't trust my memory. IIRC, we discussed this in '04.
Thanks.

279 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:00pm

re: #261 Charles

They sound like folks who think everything is political.

It's not and thank goodness it isn't because politics seems to attempt to corrupt everything it touches

280 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:02pm

re: #261 Charles

The assholes of which I speak are not newbies, unfortunately.

Just scared people lashing out.

Well, they can lash out somewhere else.

A lot of us are scared at the prospects of an Obama administration, but we just deal with it.

281 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:17pm

re: #270 newsjunkie_ky

Sometimes when I haven't see a nic for a long time, I wonder did they get banned or maybe they died. We would never know why they no longer post a comment.

I can't believe that the people who posted tasteless and ungracious comments about Madelyn Dunham's passing were posting much of value on other topics.

282 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:39pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Don't let BHO's rent a crowd get you down! Focus in and let's win.

Who provided the FREE concert this time?

283 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:43pm

Obama's amazing lies.

You've got to watch this.

284 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:49pm

Alrighty then. I'm going to watch some entertaining TV with the loved one, pray and go to sleep. Tomorrow I hope to be first in line at my polling station.

God bless America.

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:56pm

"Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning".

-The Dread Pirate Roberts

286 AMER1CAN  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #260 alien_mind

you're right about that, but imagine when he loses, I think they are also ready to run with scathing exposes about how America just can't shake it rascist past, how the GOP again was personal and negative and swiftboated another DEM. etc.

Exactly right. They are sure to cover their bases. I guess tomorrow we will have cured our racist problems in this country or else we all just became a lot more racist!

Articles for both are locked and loaded.

287 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:04pm

re: #272 Karridine

A couple weeks back we were treated to a first-person report from a troop stationed in Iraq, who SAW the news media interview more than 100 soldiers, 99 of whom said "McCain/Palin!", and then BROADCAST (as if representative of the lot) all three who responded "Obama!"

No bias here, Rasta. Move along now!

What report is this? Checking...

288 rasta16ry  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:22pm

re: #221 Iron Fist

Depends on whether or not they want drive-through clinics!

289 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:42pm

re: #270 newsjunkie_ky

Sometimes when I haven't see a nic for a long time, I wonder did they get banned or maybe they died. We would never know why they no longer post a comment.

Some people just drift away.

290 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:51pm

re: #274 SpartanWoman

I've been expecting to become a political prisoner since about 1994. It wouldn't surprise me. I'll deal with it as it comes.

291 loppyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:55pm

I'm turning in.

I don't want to get into detail, but I am going to be working for the McCain team in NH tomorrow. I have notified a poster of what I will be doing and will send reports if I can.

KEEP THE FAITH!

292 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:41:59pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning".

-The Dread Pirate Roberts

Kirk: "Bones! It's Pirate Roberts!"

McCoy: "He's Dread, Jim."

293 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:42:15pm

re: #287 laZardo

What report is this? Checking...

I remember that -- it was posted as a spinoff

294 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:42:53pm

re: #291 loppyd

Did you get my response e-mail? (=

/checking before you head off

295 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #273 Sharmuta

No- I didn't hear her because I don't have cable tv.

Oh, well that was basically it, Lynne was not happy that hillary said she was not pleased with the RNC using her voice to praise McCain and blast 0 in ads. Lynne thought hillary should be above politics (my impression).

296 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:43:15pm

re: #257 calcajun

Listening to FOX and BHO. The cheering in Va is "Yes, We Can!"--which is the response to Bob the Builder's question of, "Can We Build It?"

Ugh.

/sure, go right ahead and vote for a candidate who stooped so low as to rip off his campaign slogan from a cartoon character

297 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:43:40pm

re: #249 Iron Fist

Sucks to be the media--be completely in the tank for the Messiah, and yet be the first to be purged for lack of ideological purity.

The downfall of the media, either as a result of their getting EVERYTHING about this campaign wrong, or as a result of Obama purges, makes me smile.

298 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:43:53pm

re: #283 Opinionated

Obama's amazing lies.

You've got to watch this.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

There's no way this man can be our president. He's a flip flopping dumb ass.

299 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:43:54pm

re: #284 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Tomorrow I hope to be first in line at my polling station.

God bless America.

It will still be dark when people start lining up at the polling stations, I'll bet.

G-d bless America!

300 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #265 Ward Cleaver

Those things always fizzle out. I just went and looked gcp's page, and their last thread was on 9/11, and the one before that was in July. Tumbleweeds.

The 'lgf quiz' site hasn't been updated for three years. And 'lgf watch' is nearly dead, although the crackheads who run that stalker site will no doubt be greatly thrilled that I mentioned them. They might even post that photo of me at a party 6 years ago again. I dread that.

301 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:44:16pm

Speaking of low character commenters, I saw Ed Mahmoud on MM's earlier today.

302 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:44:22pm

re: #276 gmsc

Big deal - They lost their last home game before the election in 2004, which suggested that the incumbent Republican party would also lose. So much for that as an indicator.

But WHO won the Halloween mask race?

303 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:44:38pm

Fox has just called the election over

astounding !

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:05pm
305 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:11pm

the Foxnews.com homepage has a photo of McCain looking glum and the headline

it's all over....

306 srb1976  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #234 newsjunkie_ky

Are the Redskins winning?

Not anymore....down 16-6 last I saw

307 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:35pm

re: #303 Adrenalyn

Fox has just called the election over

astounding !

On what show?

308 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:39pm

re: #289 Ward Cleaver

Some people just drift away.

A little Dobie Gray for us?

309 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:45:46pm

re: #251 newsjunkie_ky

Did you listen to her? she said Hillary had a lot of explaining to do on why she started supporting The Zero after all she said about him in the primaries. Lynne was not happy about Hillary now supporting 0.

There are probably a number of former democrat/Hillary supporters who will not go back to the dems. They have been soured. Reality can do that.

310 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:16pm

re: #302 newsjunkie_ky

But WHO won the Halloween mask race?

McCain/Palin

311 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:16pm

Billy Jeff was out stumping for Murthafucker. A pox on both of them.

312 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #300 Charles

The 'lgf quiz' site hasn't been updated for three years. and 'lgf watch' is nearly dead, although the crackheads who run that stalker site will no doubt be greatly thrilled that I mentioned them. They might even post that photo of me at a party 6 years ago again. I dread that.

You're not talking about the "Eva Braun" picture, are you? Or is this just a stupid or embarrassing one?

313 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:18pm

re: #305 Adrenalyn

the Foxnews.com homepage has a photo of McCain looking glum and the headline

it's all over....

...but the voting.

314 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:26pm

Silver Bullets only work in Hollywood. In real life only consistent and persistent efforts achieve real good. That's why when the backbiting and nihilism and Monday am quarterbacking starts in the Republican party (some of it already has...) we need to refocus it. We need to work an inch at a time, a yard at a time - our next focus needs to be midterms in 2010, and screw presidential what-ifs until then. The farm team for the next Republican majority is out there, but they'll never make it to the majors if we don't know who they are and if we don't support them.

315 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:32pm

re: #297 Palandine

Yeah, it'll almost be worth it to watch the Leftists get their comuppance from the Messiah. Almost. I am truly worried for this nation. Four years is an awful lot of time to do damage. Just look at the Carter Legacy.

316 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:38pm

re: #269 Cognito

Wait... what?

You never saw the videos with "Pearl"?

Not cute to teach a little one to play a foul-mouthed alcoholic landlady IMO, but maybe I'm old-fashioned or just red-state stupid.

317 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:38pm

to me this is as or more shameful than the networks calling FL for Gore before polls closed

hell, the polls have not even (really) opened yet

318 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:46:50pm

re: #257 calcajun

Like there was any doubt. Of course this is a moot issue now.

Listening to FOX and BHO. The cheering in Va is "Yes, We Can!"--which is the response to Bob the Builder's question of, "Can We Build It?"

Ugh.

Is Biden Dizzy or Muck?

319 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:05pm

re: #300 Charles

The 'lgf quiz' site hasn't been updated for three years. And 'lgf watch' is nearly dead, although the crackheads who run that stalker site will no doubt be greatly thrilled that I mentioned them. They might even post that photo of me at a party 6 years ago again. I dread that.

What party?

320 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:10pm

re: #303 Adrenalyn

Fox has just called the election over

astounding !

The Fox site is saying "All over...but the voting" (as they show information about the campaigns.)

Another big article has "Fight to the finish" as the headline.

321 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:37pm

re: #311 pingjockey

Billy Jeff was out stumping for Murthafucker. A pox on both of them.

Good luck with that. I think Murtha's really stepped on his wang this time.

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:37pm

re: #292 gmsc

Kirk: "Bones! It's Pirate Roberts!"

McCoy: "He's Dread, Jim."

That is funny!

BTW, sleeping in my "VIVA LA REAGAN REVOLUCION" T-SHIRT.

Pray hard folks!

323 Quad Mocha Matti  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:39pm

re: #259 mattm

The fact that It's a CNN report should give you a good idea.

Yikes. Seems like some people will still be "undecided/unsure" which way to go even with a knife at their throat, the sky on fire, and the streets awash in blood. If you can't arrive at a decision by this time, perhaps you should forgo your "civic duty" for once and for all. After all, at this rate, neither this guy nor anyone else will have a choice in the matter for much longer, should the misguided prevail. Are these undecided voters as spineless when it comes to dealing with everyday matters in their lives as when they're faced with participating in choosing the direction their country should go in?

324 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:48pm

re: #313 brickthruplateglasswindow

...but the voting.

A mere formality...

325 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

I've been expecting to become a political prisoner since about 1994. It wouldn't surprise me. I'll deal with it as it comes.

Need a lawyer?

326 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:01pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

re: #302 newsjunkie_ky

But WHO won the Halloween mask race?

McCain/Palin

Really?

327 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:05pm

There's a party? When?

328 ciaospirit  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:25pm

re: #100 sagamoregal

Sarah gives it back to SNL/NBC with the "Palin Doctrine"!

You go girl!

Yesterday at the rally in Ohio, she said Tina Fey had better not put away her Palin outfits. She's gonna need them for the next four years.

329 wintercat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:34pm

Tomorrow morning I will proudly cast my vote for Sarah Palin and John McCain. I am looking forward to Governor Palin's first 4 years in the Oval Office as this country's first woman VP followed by 8 more fantastic years as the country's first woman President. And on that note, I am heading off to bed in anticipation of an early day at the polls.

330 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:38pm

"All over but the voting" clearly means the campaign is over, not that it's all over for McCain.

331 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:42pm

re: #314 Thanos

Silver Bullets only work in Hollywood. In real life only consistent and persistent efforts achieve real good. That's why when the backbiting and nihilism and Monday am quarterbacking starts in the Republican party (some of it already has...) we need to refocus it. We need to work an inch at a time, a yard at a time - our next focus needs to be midterms in 2010, and screw presidential what-ifs until then. The farm team for the next Republican majority is out there, but they'll never make it to the majors if we don't know who they are and if we don't support them.

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

332 rasta16ry  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:55pm

re: #272 Karridine

Well there won't be any soldiers left to support anyone once the US stops spending $10 billion a month in Iraq. Don't worry about breaking down the balance sheet. Any soldier lucky enough to be serving Grand Czar Obama should do so out of the goodness of his/her heart, and without remuneration. Citizens of the world, unite.

333 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:55pm

re: #327 DesertSage

There's a party? When?

I think its over Noam's place

334 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:48:58pm

I just looked at the Foxnews website. It is not, repeat not calling the election for Obama (nor did McCain look glum in that photo). It just meant that the campaigning has pretty much run its course and now the voters will decide. Don't be so defensive folks. Too many of us are seeing enemies who aren't there. Stay calm, focus, and make sure our people turn out.

335 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:49:20pm

Reaction to McCain victory:

1) Massive lawsuits in EVERY state claiming voter disenfranchisement.
2) Constant support for the "brave" lawsuits in the media.
3) Another round of "blame the voting machine companies" and their associated conspiracies.
4) After this, massive media coordinated guilt trips involving race, religion, class, education, and every other division in American society.
5) Civil disobedience and open incitement to riot
6) Many many letters pleading for electors to be faithless

Any others out there?

336 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:49:35pm

Redskins driving.

337 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:49:36pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

McCain/Palin

Speaking of fun indicators, time to check in with the eBay Cabbage Patch Candidates:

McCain/Palin combined price: $12,552.99

Obama/Biden combined price: $9,325.49

338 Inquisitive  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:49:42pm

re: #261 Charles

The assholes of which I speak are not newbies, unfortunately.

Just scared people lashing out.

Well, they can lash out somewhere else.


I think there is a lot of scared people out there tonight lashing out.....I lashed out at my daughter about an hour ago......yes she is voting for McCain....but her and my nephew has been ribbing me for weeks about how I have been speaking out about Obama........finally had enough and told her I was tired of being made fun of for standing up for/and speaking up for what I believe in......and told her this was no joking matter and that they should be paying more attention to what is being said and helping put the word out there, not making jokes about it.....
Yep....scared people .....lashing out......

339 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:49:42pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

That's what I've been saying.

340 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:50:32pm

re: #333 outsidephilly

I think its over Noam's place

Noam throws the best parties. He always has Mezcal.

341 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:50:55pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

Charles, I don't follow?

Are you suggesting the future of Republicans is to become more like Democrats?

342 caligal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:50:57pm

I hope murtha goes down in flames.

343 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:51:24pm

re: #340 DesertSage

Noam throws the best parties. He always has Mezcal.

Does he have pizza, cause I like pizza . . . . .

344 StinkHammer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:51:26pm

On the eve of this potentially dim American moment, Janet Daley (in the UK Daily Telegraph) sums it up quite adequately:

"[I]n one of those bizarre jokes that history sometimes plays, the United States is apparently about to choose as president the most inexperienced, untried and virtually unknowable (because there is so little to know) candidate who has ever run for that office at a time of unquantifiable international risk and unprecedented economic instability: a candidate who, as Bill Clinton revealed in a wonderfully back-handed "tribute", responded to the banking collapse by ringing every expert he could find (including Bill) to ask them what he should be saying."

345 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:00pm

re: #92 Jim in Virginia

Sarah Palin on SNL!
Thanks Lorne.

And Sens. McCain and Obama on Monday Night Football halftime show.

346 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:03pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

McCain/Palin


LOL! Isn't that one supposed to be the most reliable?

347 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:13pm

re: #320 Adina in Judea

The Fox site is saying "All over...but the voting" (as they show information about the campaigns.)

Another big article has "Fight to the finish" as the headline.

yes, I see that clearly

but don't think I do not see the subliminal message
the glum photo and the wording
if this were a retailer's commercial
perhaps the FTC would call them on a misleading ad ?

so why not in politics
our country is at stake
not just a store and it's customers

348 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:16pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

It's the far left that wants to kick people out of their party so that they can be more purely far left. They think the country will rally around them for this.

The Republican party, meanwhile, is getting along really well with PUMAs.

I think the Republican party may expand if Obama wins and his socialist policies start being implemented while moderate Democrats wake up to it.

There's no reason to assume that the Republican party wants to be smaller.

349 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:44pm

re: #314 Thanos

Yeah, we'd better hit the ground running if we want to minimize the damage of an Obama Administration. Things are so close to 50-50 in this country. If we really lean on our Senators, maybe we can de-rail the worst of it. For example, gun control. The Dems recognize that the issue is a real loser for them. Maybe with enough pressure from the electorate, we can at least sideline that.

OTOH, I expect his "All Abortion All The Time" plank will sail through within his first 100 days. We can't win that battle, not with as few Senators as it looks like we'll have. It's going to be a long slog to get to 2012.

350 DisgustingOratory  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:55pm

So the early voting results look really good. Given that Democrats were supposed to pwn early voting, isn't this a good sign?

351 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:55pm

re: #326 Adina in Judea

Yes

352 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:52:59pm

re: #341 brickthruplateglasswindow

Charles, I don't follow?

Are you suggesting the future of Republicans is to become more like Democrats?

Where did I say that?

353 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:53:35pm

re: #350 DisgustingOratory

So the early voting results look really good. Given that Democrats were supposed to pwn early voting, isn't this a good sign?

DISENFRANHCSIMNET!

/just wait, they'll be calling that...

354 Griffon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:53:41pm

Palen released her health records. No surprises. She's healthy.

355 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:00pm

re: #332 rasta16ry

I hear you.

/sigh...

356 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:00pm

re: #265 Ward Cleaver

They sadly are still going, but you have to look carefully to find the forums, and reading them can cause extreme nausea...and they also have a secret place for registered schmucks and losers.

357 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:02pm

re: #321 Ward Cleaver
I dearly damn hope so. The man is a waste of oxygen.

358 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:02pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

I'd up-ding you if I had my dinger turned on.

359 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:16pm

Good evening all! I'm late to the party, as always!

Any leftovers?

360 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:23pm

re: #354 Griffon

Palen released her health records. No surprises. She's healthy.

I second that....she IS healthy!

361 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:26pm

re: #331 Charles

Rush Limbaugh is the choirboy of that chorus. For all his worship of Ronald Reagan, he should know the Gipper valued persuasion, and never indulged in such tactics.

362 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:31pm

The GOP needs to go back to its Libertarian roots.

363 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:38pm

re: #331 Charles

Then again, the Democrats choice is just as destructive and corrosive - pushing the party as far left as you can imagine, and then some. It didn't work in 2004, so they went even further to the left with Obama, and was helped by a media that chose to overlook/ignore/bury just how far left he truly is.

I agree that the GOP will likely push even further to the right because of its failure, but a better option would be for them to clearcut the failed leadership who decided that big government was the way to stay in power and not stand up to the profligate spending on dubious programs and new entitlements. Fiscal responsibility appears to be a dead letter in DC.

364 StinkHammer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #331 Charles

[I]t's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

Because we need to turn even more to the left -- is that your proposal?

365 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:54:58pm

re: #342 caligal

I hope murtha goes down in flames.

Keeping an Eye on Those Senate Races

Mitch McConnell is looking safer in Kentucky.

Chambliss is looking safer in Georgia.

Other than the Minneapolis (Red) Star Tribune poll, Coleman is looking good in Minnesota.

Democratic hopes of challenger Ronnie Musgrove knocking off Roger Wicker in Mississippi seem misplaced.

Not easy for the Democrats to get to 60 if this keeps up.

366 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:55:10pm

Ironfist

I don't see it so much as 50/50

think of how many adults register to vote
how many actually vote
and how many vote for a candidate

15-25% is about what they get if they win

considering MSM bias of 10 points
it's more like 15% or less really support the "winner"

367 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:55:14pm

And sure enough, I just got an email from a GOP list (that I didn't ask to be on) saying that if Obama wins, it means the GOP needs to purge itself of the impure RINOs.

And another email demanding that I link to a Larry Johnson site.

368 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:55:17pm

I have to agree, some of the social conservativism is posture only, and killing us longer term. (before you jump on that folks, remember I am pro-life .)

The bile faction is out there, they are as bad as the socialists who want to limit liberties in other ways.

369 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:55:38pm

Oh Gosh. Someone called Murtha a Fat Little Bastard. Sigh.

Do I have to change my nic again?

370 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:56:25pm

"Troopergate": Another trumped up, leftist, moonbat canard du jour crashes, burns

371 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:56:54pm

re: #368 Thanos

I have to agree, some of the social conservativism is posture only, and killing us longer term. (before you jump on that folks, remember I am pro-life .)

The bile faction is out there, they are as bad as the socialists who want to limit liberties in other ways.

We need to be a party that stands for individual liberties, fiscal responsibility and government transparency. IHMO.

372 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:56:54pm

Huh. I sorta figured Obama would be on SNL's thing tonight.

No love for the Clinton-loving comedy show, apparently.

373 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:57:00pm

re: #352 Charles

Where did I say that?

Didn't say you did. What is it then you're suggesting that the Republican Party do to persevere successfully in the future?

374 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #363 lawhawk

Then again, the Democrats choice is just as destructive and corrosive - pushing the party as far left as you can imagine, and then some. It didn't work in 2004, so they went even further to the left with Obama, and was helped by a media that chose to overlook/ignore/bury just how far left he truly is.

I agree that the GOP will likely push even further to the right because of its failure, but a better option would be for them to clearcut the failed leadership who decided that big government was the way to stay in power and not stand up to the profligate spending on dubious programs and new entitlements. Fiscal responsibility appears to be a dead letter in DC.

Agreed -- fiscal responsibility, and staying the hell out of people's private lives.

375 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:57:46pm

re: #367 Charles

And another email demanding that I link to a Larry Johnson site.

I saw Larry Johnson play for the Charlotte Hornets. Hell of a player!

376 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:57:57pm

re: #362 DesertSage

The GOP needs to go back to its Libertarian roots.

The GOP savages their own. Look how McCain was slammed as a RINO right up until the point that it looked like Obama could win. Some GOP will stay home "out of principle" like they did in 06. Now that turned out well, didn't it?

377 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:58:13pm

re: #325 Occasional Reader

I really hope it doesn't come to that, but given the way Obama likes to go against those who disagree with him, it could happen. Obama claims he's not Authoritarian. Of course, he also claims not to be a Socialist.

I'm afraid that we are going to get to find out.

378 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:58:50pm

re: #367 Charles

And sure enough, I just got an email from a GOP list (that I didn't ask to be on) saying that if Obama wins, it means the GOP needs to purge itself of the impure RINOs.

And another email demanding that I link to a Larry Johnson site.

How should we handle RINOs sir? I am not asking to be hostile, I am simply asking for your opinion.

379 Palandine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:58:52pm

Night all.

When I see you next, I will have voted.

Believe in the victory.

380 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:58:54pm

well i am pretty sure that the paper i deliver already has the type set for the Obama victory, i hope i can get a copy of it before they have to re do it when John McCain becomes the next President. it will be just like dewy defeats truman only better because george and charlie will have to eat their words and i know they will choke on them ( i use to like them both very much but they are so biased i just cant respect them anymore)

381 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:06pm

Does anyone really think that if Senator Government were only down by a few points they would be calling the race? Hell No ....Frigging disgusting ....

382 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:07pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

Well, we definitely need more fiscally conservative Republicans. The GOP had a great opportunity in '94 with the Contract With America, and then pissed it all away, leading us to 2006, and the Dems getting the House and Senate back. We also need Republicans who get the WoT.

383 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:10pm

I'm reminded of a senator from Arizona.

" When he said Government had no business trying to outlaw abortion, some people told him to retire from politics.

When he spoke out in favor of a new Phoenix ordinance protecting homosexuals from discrimination, and said they should be able to serve in the military, that got him in more trouble.

And when former Senator Barry Goldwater, an Arizona institution who has been compared with the Grand Canyon among this state's icons, endorsed a Democratic woman for Congress over a self-proclaimed "Goldwater Republican" in 1992, he was called a traitor."

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

384 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:15pm

re: #376 SpartanWoman

Some GOP will stay home "out of principle" like they did in 06.

The conservatives I know who would have stayed home out of principle are going to the polls to vote for Sarah Palin. All of them.

385 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:16pm

re: #261 Charles

The assholes of which I speak are not newbies, unfortunately.

Just scared people lashing out.

Well, they can lash out somewhere else.

You seem a bit testy these days. Can't imagine why. Keep reminding people that conservatives are supposed to be cheerful, like our patron saint, Ronald Reagan.

386 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 7:59:29pm

re: #364 StinkHammer

Because we need to turn even more to the left -- is that your proposal?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying "No purges."

Although I'd personally like to slap the shit out of all the Republican Eeyores this election cycle, for all the fucking "sky is falling" CRAP I've had to listen to for the last year, and the total stress they're inflicting on us all, fearing they might just give up and stay home. Which is the only way Obama can win.

Pardon my French.

387 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:13pm

re: #383 jaunte

He had a hard time dealing with the fringe in his day too.

388 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:45pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

We need to be a party that stands for individual liberties, fiscal responsibility and government transparency. IHMO.

Yeah, Reagan was successful for hammering at those simple points, which pretty much a majority of people would agree with. He stayed out of the fray of social issues, which pretty much move forward at their own pace anyways.

389 Wendya  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #55 gregg

How the hell is that possible?

He's a complete moron.

390 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #380 bcgirl

well i am pretty sure that the paper i deliver already has the type set for the Obama victory, i hope i can get a copy of it before they have to re do it when John McCain becomes the next President. it will be just like dewy defeats truman only better because george and charlie will have to eat their words and i know they will choke on them ( i use to like them both very much but they are so biased i just cant respect them anymore)

So did the Chicago Tribune for Tom Dewey in 1948--and we know how that turned out.

391 Spirit93  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:00:54pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative,

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but could somebody tell me what "this" refers to?

392 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:01:09pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

How should we handle RINOs sir? I am not asking to be hostile, I am simply asking for your opinion.

Start by stopping with this RINO bullshit, and join the 21st century. The intrusive, fanatical social agenda of the far right is a losing cause.

393 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:01:35pm

Desertsage 262
a thousand updings for you!

but when I upding
it reloads the painfully slow LGF home page again

394 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:01:41pm

re: #384 Adina in Judea

The conservatives I know who would have stayed home out of principle are going to the polls to vote for Sarah Palin. All of them.

What a great pick she has been. If we win, she'll be the biggest reason why.

395 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:01:57pm

re: #363 lawhawk

Then again, the Democrats choice is just as destructive and corrosive - pushing the party as far left as you can imagine, and then some. It didn't work in 2004, so they went even further to the left with Obama, and was helped by a media that chose to overlook/ignore/bury just how far left he truly is.

I agree that the GOP will likely push even further to the right because of its failure, but a better option would be for them to clearcut the failed leadership who decided that big government was the way to stay in power and not stand up to the profligate spending on dubious programs and new entitlements. Fiscal responsibility appears to be a dead letter in DC.

Dead on. It's time that the GOP focused on fiscal restraint and budget cutting, before we collapse under crushing debt and/or taxes.

396 rabidfox  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:02:13pm

re: #110 gmsc

"Zombidome" sounds more like a roller derby play=off.

397 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #374 Charles

I am just not sure if the party is going to be the place to make that happen.

I just think that a motivated individual will have to break free of party politics and deliver the goods on their own. My brief view of party politics leads me to believe that it's a soul crushing exercise.

398 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:02:29pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

How should we handle RINOs sir? I am not asking to be hostile, I am simply asking for your opinion.

Butting in here...

What is YOUR definition of a RINO ? One can't really discuss a topic like that without a common understanding of the term. My RINO may not be your RINO which may not be Charles' RINO.

399 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:02:32pm

re: #354 Griffon

Palen released her health records. No surprises. She's healthy.

I could have told you that.

/I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

400 capitalist piglet  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:02:48pm

re: #125 baxtrice

My goodness, how can people be so cruel? Whatever we think of Barrack Obama, being disrespectful to the dead is never justified.

Similar trouble (though probably not as bad) on another site I visit regularly; some people just cannot resist the urge to make vulgar comments when it comes to politics. We will mostly likely all experience the kind of pain that accompanies losing a parent or grandparent (I've lost all of mine), and to be rude toward another human being under such circumstances doesn't speak well of the person making the comments at all. Pathetic, really.

401 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:03:29pm

re: #377 Iron Fist

I really hope it doesn't come to that, but given the way Obama likes to go against those who disagree with him, it could happen. Obama claims he's not Authoritarian. Of course, he also claims not to be a Socialist.

I'm afraid that we are going to get to find out.

I really don't think you, or I, or any of us, will be political prisoners, even if the O wins. American would have to fall much, much further to allow something like that to happen. Think more like, a push toward Euro-style soft socialism. Against which we must push back.

402 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:03:31pm

(All links and videos available at main link)

Breaking: FOX News Reports McCain Camp VERY OPTIMISTIC! (Video)

Breaking: FOX News is reporting that...
The McCain Campaign is VERY OPTIMISTIC with the latest developments.

Carl Cameron who is traveling with the McCain Campaign says John McCain is the most optimistic as he has been in 14 years!

Carl Cameron reported:

"When you look at what's happened in the polls in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida- They believe that they've strengthened. Essentially, the conservative districts in those states are now secured. That they still have a little bit of work to do particularly in the much vaunted GOP ground game; knocking on doors, making phone calls, lots of emails to shore them up entirely. But, most of the Red States they think they're now safe in... In places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Missouri expect a late night. No quick calls tomorrow.

IBD-TIPP still shows that nearly 10% of voters are undecided.
Most undecided are siding with McCain.

Rasmussen reported that McCain-Palin have tied up the race in 4 of 6 Swing States.
McCain has pulled ahead in Florida and North Carolina and is tied in Missouri and Ohio.

Fox News/Rasmussen Reports polling this week in Colorado, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia shows some improvements for John McCain but the overall results still leave Barack Obama in a better position on the eve of the election.

Obama now leads in two of the Battleground states while the candidates are tied or within a point of each other in four. At one level, that’s an improvement for McCain. Last week, he was even in just two states while trailing in four.

MORE... Boomshak looks at historic moments of Divine providence:

America's history is rife with examples of overcoming incredible odds as the Hand of Providence smiled upon us.

1) The French coming to our aid in the Revolutionary War when all looked lost.
2) The Japanese deciding not to invade Hawaii.
3) Our victory at Midway.
4) The Germans mishandling of D-Day.

Hopefully we'll be able to add "McCain-Palin triumphing over the Marxisant radical" to that list of great American moments.

More... At this important time in American history here are some words of wisdom from Ronald Reagan.

403 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:03:35pm

re: #395 Ward Cleaver

Dead on. It's time that the GOP focused on fiscal restraint and budget cutting, before we collapse under crushing debt and/or taxes.

And individual rights. They tie together actually. I'm not here to support big, bloated government budgets.

404 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:03:45pm

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.

405 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:03:59pm

If you look through history you see that the Republican party is strongest when it's standing for a few solid principles:

Limited Government
Fiscal Restraint
Freedom
Strong Defense

The fifth is usually social conservatism, but lately there have been movements in that base that are aimed at limiting liberties. (e.g. interferring in a State's right to set marriage law, etc.) This creates a cognitive dissonance that allows the left to moby in and split us easily.

406 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:04:19pm

o'reilly just frickin' lied. he said McCain/Palin avoided him but they scheduled to meet with him but o'reilly was 'RAINED IN' in NYC. McCain/Pallin have a very tight schedule, they made room for o'reilly, he MISSED it.

407 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:04:19pm

References to 'purges' are kinda creepy, I mean this America. When I think of purges I think of Hitler's 'night of the long knives', or of Stalin's wholesale arrest and execution of his perceived enemies. This type of rhetoric should be dialed back.

408 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:04:26pm

re: #366 Adrenalyn

You are, of course, right in this. I also try to take comfort that the Military is split more like 80-20, and they are the ones with the heavy firepower.

It'll be interesting to see where Obama puts his priorities. Heller may be enough when you couple it with the percentage of the Electorate that considers the Second Amendment a right.

There would have been issues with the McCain Administration if he were elected, but not the big existential questions that determine what kind of a nation the United States fundamentally is.

Obama promises us Change. I'm very much afraid that he'll live up to that promise.

409 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:04:54pm

re: #305 Adrenalyn

Here it is...

410 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #392 Charles

Start by stopping with this RINO bullshit, and join the 21st century. The intrusive, fanatical social agenda of the far right is a losing cause.

That will be hard to do. Those who are strongly socially conservative are a big part our base. For both of America's major parties then, I would lime to ask a follow up question: How does a party get it's base away from crazy? If both parties need to pull their bases back, how should they go about doing so?

411 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:24pm

re: #397 unclassifiable

I am just not sure if the party is going to be the place to make that happen.

I just think that a motivated individual will have to break free of party politics and deliver the goods on their own. My brief view of party politics leads me to believe that it's a soul crushing exercise.

The politics of the party is what the active members in the party make it to be. You can't change it from without, it comes from within, so more republicans need to get involved with their local parties. That is where we will cultivate the next leaders.

412 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:35pm

re: #405 Thanos

Sounds Libertarian.

/just sayin'.

413 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:36pm

I think being an Independent is about the only way to go .... because it seems if you are Independent you are kinda like the "popular" one in highschool who everybody wants ....geez ... I am sick of everybody trying to court the Independents ......or better yet identify yourself as "undecided" and people want to wipe your butt for you ......Take a stand and nobody will give you the time of day ......I hate this election ......

414 StinkHammer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:46pm

re: #363 lawhawk

The argument of the neocons from the start: the idea that conservatives should simply accept the existence of the welfare state and work to make it achieve conservative ends (whatever those may be). Think George Bush's "compassionate conservatism" (ugh). Personally, I'm more opposed to Statist expansionism than merely using Statism as a means to an end.

Ross Douthat and Jonah Goldberg engage in a fascinating discussion of this phenomenon here.

Also some interesting follow-up discussion over at the NRO Corner, such as here: Reform vs. Reaganism

Alas, the finger-pointing begins already...

415 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:05:47pm

So I occasionally get mis-directed e-mails in my gmail spam folder (fairly common with gmail). The last few months, I've been getting political crap from both Howard Dean and Zero. Here is the Messiah's latest, interesting parts bolded:

Subject: Tomorrow

NAME --

We're just one day away from change.

Election Day is tomorrow -- Tuesday, November 4th.

We've asked you to do a lot over the course of this campaign.

Right now, I'm asking you to do one last thing -- vote tomorrow, and make sure everyone you know votes, too.

Watch a short video about how far we've come, and how close we are. Then find or confirm your polling location and make sure your friends and family do the same:

(video)

When this campaign began, we weren't given much of a chance by the pollsters or the pundits.

But tomorrow, we can make history.

We've made it this far because supporters like you never stopped believing in your power to bring about real change.

Take the final step now.

Watch the video, find your polling location, and get everyone you know involved on Election Day:

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

With your vote, and the votes of your friends, family, and neighbors, we won't just win this election -- together, we will change this country and change the world.

Thank you,

Barack

CHANGE IT HOW, BARRY? CHANGE. IT. FUCKING. HOW. EXACTLY? HUH?

More snake oil from the master bullshit artist. I am never going to listen to a Democrat who insists that he's "smarter" than anyone else, ever again, if they're really falling for this shit.

CHANGE! CHANGE! blah blah blah.

416 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:06:09pm

402gmsc

keep up the positive attitude
I sincerely hope McCain is righteously elected
but still, the photo caption of a sullen McCain is disturbing
if it were on CNN I would call it shameless shilling

being on Fox I see it as ass-covering
so they don't lose their FCC license should the one get elected

my two cents

Now Worth Less (tm)

417 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:06:38pm

re: #233 Cognito

Not to live up to my reputation too completely, but... Yeah. We should be circumspect about placing any rules on the press.

Why, you may ask? I think we might see exactly why, over the course of an Obama presidency. I think he's far more suppressive of a free press than most people realize, considering a few key interactions. He just hasn't had to flex that suppression much, yet.

You say this now, when the press has been overwhelmingly in the tank for Obama?

"Oh, there should be no rules on the press, because of what may be uncovered and reported on!"

Where the hell was the sacred press these last 18 months? They didn't pay any attention to Barack Obama and his unsavory alliances and associations, so why would they start doing so now?

The MSM has done their best to elect Barack Obama as president, and if they succeed, then they will continue worshiping him as they have done.

Face it, Cognito - the "press" as it was originally envisioned is dead.

418 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:06:57pm

re: #367 Charles

And sure enough, I just got an email from a GOP list (that I didn't ask to be on) saying that if Obama wins, it means the GOP needs to purge itself of the impure RINOs.

And another email demanding that I link to a Larry Johnson site.

What you should do is put up a picture of Johnson with that roadkill on his head, so we can take shots at him.

419 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:07:20pm

Brb, gonna wash up a bit.

420 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:07:23pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

That will be hard to do. Those who are strongly socially conservative are a big part of our base. For both of America's major parties then, I would lime to ask a follow up question: How does a party get it's base away from crazy? If both parties need to pull their bases back, how should they go about doing so?

PIMF

421 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:07:39pm

re: #409 NY Nana

Here it is...

I don't think he looks sad in the photo ... he is kinda smirking ...

422 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:07:47pm

IIRC, the democrats that beat incumbent republicans in '06 did so by being MORE conservative than the Rs.

423 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:08:00pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

That will be hard to do. Those who are strongly socially conservative are a big part our base. For both of America's major parties then, I would lime to ask a follow up question: How does a party get it's base away from crazy? If both parties need to pull their bases back, how should they go about doing so?

A two-party system means two big tents. Each tent will always contain the core ideologues of left and right, but the platforms are arrived at by (as the French say) putting a little water in your wine. Once in power, you govern from the center.

424 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:08:09pm

1) Defend the country
2) Protect the innocent (including elderly/unborn)
3) Responsable and controlled spending
4) Stay the hell out of people's private affairs

That's a winning conservative strategy.

425 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:08:27pm

The Republicans strayed from their core principles and we are paying the price. Fiscal responsibility, strong defense, belief in American exceptionalism, free trade, limited government, constructionist judges......We had the power and we pissed it away. We literally acted like the Democrats we demonize. President Bush did not help with his bungled handling of the war and subsequent forays into big goverment, i.e., prescription drug plan, etc. The Republicans in the House and Senate felt they would serve their constituents better by bringing home the bacon and spending money like water.

If we want to know why we are slipping in power across the board, all we have to do is look in the mirror. The Democrats certainly did not win on ideas or innovative plans for the future, they won because we blew it!

But, we can regain our lost place by getting back to basics. That is an inclusive approach. If we start purging the impure like Stalin on acid, we'll sink even further. However, we must stay true to the ideals that got us back in power again in the first place.

426 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:08:39pm

re: #406 newsjunkie_ky

o'reilly just frickin' lied. he said McCain/Palin avoided him but they scheduled to meet with him but o'reilly was 'RAINED IN' in NYC. McCain/Pallin have a very tight schedule, they made room for o'reilly, he MISSED it.

There was no room in the studio for McCain, Palin, and O'Reilly's ego.

427 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:08:47pm

re: #393 Adrenalyn

Desertsage 262
a thousand updings for you!

but when I upding
it reloads the painfully slow LGF home page again

What attracted me to the GOP in the first place was their Libertarian underpinnings. That and Ronald Reagan.

The free spending social liberal Republicans today make me sick.
And when I say "social liberal" I'm not talking about gay marriage. I'm talking about 2nd amendment rights, private property rights...that kind of thing. The Republicans have lost their way. The good news is that the pendulum starts swinging back towards the right...starting tomorrow!

428 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:09:02pm

re: #405 Thanos

If you look through history you see that the Republican party is strongest when it's standing for a few solid principles:

Limited Government
Fiscal Restraint
Freedom
Strong Defense

The fifth is usually social conservatism, but lately there have been movements in that base that are aimed at limiting liberties. (e.g. interferring in a State's right to set marriage law, etc.) This creates a cognitive dissonance that allows the left to moby in and split us easily.

Which is why I keep saying "individual rights". I think republicans need to come to grips with this concept, and if we're going to be intellectually honest, a lot of the so-called social conservative issues will fall away.

429 Syrah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

We need to be a party that stands for individual liberties, fiscal responsibility and government transparency. IHMO.

!

430 kcfromtx  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:09:21pm

I wouldn't care if dems got to 60 if McCain/Palin win. The AZ gov is required to appoint someone from the resigning senator's party. Supposedly, she wants to run so she would likely appoint a weak candidate.

431 JohnAdams  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:09:43pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

That will be hard to do. Those who are strongly socially conservative are a big part our base. For both of America's major parties then, I would lime to ask a follow up question: How does a party get it's base away from crazy? If both parties need to pull their bases back, how should they go about doing so?

I think the Dems base is crazy. This is why they are on the precipice...the Kos kids and the ACORN movement are their base. I think the GOP base is ultimately more interested in fiscal restraint/taxes. The GOP crazy vote usually goes along even when they are . And they vote. This was Reagan's success.

432 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:09:52pm

re: #409 NY Nana

OT: Thank you for the updings a week or so ago when I was defending Judaism in a topic. I didn't see any of the dings for 4 or 5 days until I went back there to look for something. The argument went on too long, but it was the first time I've been online where the defense of Judaism wasn't deleted (since I've mostly been on mixed right-left message boards in the past and such places tend to eliminate religious Jewish explanations of Jewish scripture pretty quick.)

Anyway, thanks again!

433 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:10:04pm

I think it depends what your interpretation and experience with conservative absolutism was/is.

I think Reagan was an absolutist. He might have believed in Creationism too.

434 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:10:05pm

409/421

each to their own opinion

but I tell you
should he win
I'll go to church Sunday in the Atheist One Helo
and make a donation

435 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:10:16pm

re: #390 calcajun

So did the Chicago Tribune for Tom Dewey in 1948--and we know how that turned out.

This afternoon, I found this picture in my 1985 DeLorean, wedged between the right seat, and a slightly singed Flux Capacitor. Not sure what to make of it.

436 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:10:48pm

Time to turn out the lights, tomorrow's gonna be a full day, and I'm trusting God to work this all out! adios, au revior, auf weidersehen

437 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:11:18pm

re: #430 kcfromtx

I wouldn't care if dems got to 60 if McCain/Palin win. The AZ gov is required to appoint someone from the resigning senator's party. Supposedly, she wants to run so she would likely appoint a weak candidate.

At this point, it looks like they won't get to 60.

438 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:11:23pm

WTF is Biden talking about now?

/girl-girls and girl-boys?

439 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:11:33pm

I do have one fear . . .

. . . It approaches midnight, we wake up, and we find out it's November 3rd all over again!

GROUNDHOG DAY!

440 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:11:46pm

re: #401 Occasional Reader

It is all in how the Obama Administration wants to push it. In 1994 the FBI was nosing around my dad for some grass-roots political issues he worked on. There was nothing to find, so nothing came of it, but sending the FBI to examine your political oppenents is really an abuse of power.

Of course, the moonbats would freak if someone did this to an Islamic group. Ordinary citizens, not so much.

It'll be interesting to see what direction Obama winds up taking us. I have the distinct impression that I am not going to like it.

441 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:11:47pm

Reagan was not an absolutist. He was a coalition builder.re: #433 RTLM

442 Optimizer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:03pm

In case the Lizards haven't seen this:

'Twas the night before elections
And all through the town
Tempers were flaring
Emotions all up and down!

I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV
Tired of political crap.

When all of a sudden
There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window
Saw Obama and his boys

They had come for my wallet
They wanted my pay
To give to the others
Who had not worked a day!

He snatched up my money
And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink

He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!

" On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi"
He screamed at the pairs!

They took off for his cause
And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!

So I leave you to think
On this one final note-
IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM
GET OUT AND VOTE!

/wish I knew who wrote this

443 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:13pm

If Reagan believed in Creationism or not, did it matter?

I don't know if he did or not. But I think its very likely.

444 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:15pm

427 desertsage

yes, Reagan was that persuading to me also


I have 2 good Reagan stories
one from 1980 on election day
and another from 1981 when he was shot but the nutcase who shall not be named

445 dmh  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:22pm

re: #405 Thanos

If you look through history you see that the Republican party is strongest when it's standing for a few solid principles:

Limited Government
Fiscal Restraint
Freedom
Strong Defense

The fifth is usually social conservatism, but lately there have been movements in that base that are aimed at limiting liberties. (e.g. interferring in a State's right to set marriage law, etc.) This creates a cognitive dissonance that allows the left to moby in and split us easily.

No doubt this is key to the future of the party. If Republicans would butt out of peoples personal lives and concentrate on defense and fiscal restraint, individual liberty and smaller government would be a natural byproduct. And I think most of us would be better off that way.

446 maddogg  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:23pm

re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative, and even more atavistic, drive out the "RINOs" and purify the blood of the party, we're going to see Democrats in power for the next 20 years.

Well, that strategy seems to be working rather well for the left wing extremists who now hold sway over what used to be the Democratic party. Which should rightfully change their name to the Socialist extremist party. Unless you think Obama is a moderate.

Where is Joe Lieberman?

447 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:32pm

Well, best wishes for everybody who hasn't voted yet to have a happy polling experience tomorrow!

Go McCain/Palin!

448 Thanos  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #412 laZardo

Sounds Libertarian.

/just sayin'.

No, it sounds old-style Reagan Republican. What I'm trying to get across is that win or lose tomorrow, the Republican's biggest problem is not who is president, but rather who makes the laws. Our problem has been non-performance in the House and Senate. When the final truths are told the history books will show that many of the the "non conservative" things we blame Bush for in conservative circles are compromises he had to make to keep the troops in bullets.

449 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:12:49pm

re: #404 Charles

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.

I think it's a fairly accurate term for someone like Michael Bloomberg, actually.

And I'm very much a DINO, so I don't really think it's insulting or derisive; just describes someone who has a party affiliation, but has drifted away from that party.

450 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:04pm

re: #433 RTLM

I think it depends what your interpretation and experience with conservative absolutism was/is.

I think Reagan was an absolutist. He might have believed in Creationism too.

Right. Good luck with that approach.

I guess I'm a neocon RINO. I need to be purged.

451 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:15pm

Thanks, Syrah.

452 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:35pm

re: #443 RTLM

If Reagan believed in Creationism or not, did it matter?

I don't know if he did or not. But I think its very likely.

Holding a belief is conservative. I don't think pushing it on someone else is.

453 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:36pm

443 RTLM

yes he did
but everyone has things we can differ over, peacefully and politely
yet still find much to admire and respect

454 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:39pm

re: #425 Desert Dog

President Bush did not help with his bungled handling of the war and subsequent forays into big goverment, i.e., prescription drug plan, etc.

I gotta admit, the Prescription drug plan helps. A LOT. Without it, my out of pocket expense would be $147.50 a month. And that's the drugs I'm on now - My doc got me off of two in the last six months.

Hey, I agree, it costs a lot.... but from my side of the fence, it helps just as much.

455 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:44pm

Palin, are you going to be the country's next vice president? You betcha!

456 swamprat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:48pm

re: #367 Charles

McCain is, of course, a RINOs' RINO. He's angered an awful lot of republicans.

457 StinkHammer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:52pm

re: #423 Moe Katz

A two-party system means two big tents. Each tent will always contain the core ideologues of left and right, but the platforms are arrived at by (as the French say) putting a little water in your wine. Once in power, you govern from the center.

Exactly -- the key to legislative power is majority status. The party with majority status gets to set the agenda, chair the committees, etc. In order to appeal to as many voters as possible for the purpose of attaining majority status, a political party must attempt to entice as many members (making up the respective coalitions) as possible. And in the case of the Republicans, that coalition includes the social conservatives.

As much as I agree with Charles' libertarian notions of "staying the hell outta people's lives" as possible, a purist party -- be it socially conservative, hardcore libertarian, etc -- will never attain the majority status it needs to forward an agenda. It takes the so-called "big tent" scenario.

458 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:13:56pm

re: #417 Intrepid

clap clap clap

Well said. Investigative reporting is all but lost

459 sagamoregal  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:14:10pm

SagamoreGal predicts that there will one MAJOR Blue state that McCain-Palin never stepped foot in that will go for the Republican ticket. Lots of electoral votes.

460 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:14:48pm

re: #404 Charles

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.

Ain't that the truth. I get a fair share of flak myself, in spite of being more Conservative in general than most people I know.

461 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:14:53pm

re: #417 Intrepid

You say this now, when the press has been overwhelmingly in the tank for Obama?

"Oh, there should be no rules on the press, because of what may be uncovered and reported on!"

Where the hell was the sacred press these last 18 months? They didn't pay any attention to Barack Obama and his unsavory alliances and associations, so why would they start doing so now?

The MSM has done their best to elect Barack Obama as president, and if they succeed, then they will continue worshiping him as they have done.

Face it, Cognito - the "press" as it was originally envisioned is dead.

What?

Seriously, this is getting old. What does any of what you just said have to do -- at all -- with my post?

I swear I think people just see my name and then fire off any old thought, regardless.

462 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:14:54pm

re: #450 Charles

Right. Good luck with that approach.

I guess I'm a neocon RINO. I need to be purged.

I think Reagan was pretty Laissez-faire in his approach to the party

463 Spirit93  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:13pm

REPOST:
re: #331 Charles

Right. And it's my opinion that if the GOP decides the right way to deal with this is to get even more socially conservative

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but could somebody tell me what "this" refers to?

464 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:27pm

re: #454 SteveC

I gotta admit, the Prescription drug plan helps. A LOT. Without it, my out of pocket expense would be $147.50 a month. And that's the drugs I'm on now - My doc got me off of two in the last six months.

Hey, I agree, it costs a lot.... but from my side of the fence, it helps just as much.

My parent use it too, but, I think it is unsustainable in it's present form. The wave of Baby Boomers coming down the pike will balloon this benefit up and up...There has to be a better way

465 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:42pm

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

466 Crusty  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:46pm

Ever notice how the deeper you dig into the pasts of McCain and Palin, the cleaner they are, and the deeper you dig into the pasts of Obama and Biden, the dirtier they are?

467 pbird  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:49pm

re: #187 Iron Fist

I think we're screwed. Our next task is to make Obama's Administration a burden unto him for all the days of his life. Judgeships should be our first order of obstruction. No more Ginsbergs.


Oh maybe not. But if so, your plan sounds like the right one.
Maybe He will deliver us again.

468 Pepper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:15:59pm

re: #404 Charles

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.

Term is used to differentiate from those who would co opt the party platform. It can be derisive or it could be true. Select core principles are important and is in no way absolutist. You are arguing the "grey" issue versus black and white. All issues are right or wrong and those who cannot tell the difference.
Gaining a larger tent and sacrificing your principles can be a net loss. You will be left with only "change and hope".

469 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:16:29pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

My vote goes to 'Inevitable'

470 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

Hopefully the phrase 'stunning reversal.'

471 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:17:02pm

Laura Ingraham is really quite good-looking.

472 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:17:22pm

466 crusty

0bama&Biden
they're lawyers for crying out loud !

man, a few possiblities for humorous firm names there.....

473 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:17:47pm

re: #459 sagamoregal

SagamoreGal predicts that there will one MAJOR Blue state that McCain-Palin never stepped foot in that will go for the Republican ticket. Lots of electoral votes.

/and what State might that be?

474 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:00pm

hi NY nana! nice to see you tonight,,i am off to bed now so i can rest up to go out an deliver papers and put out more McCain/Palin yard signs, in fact tonight i will put them everywere, because tomorrow night i will take them back down no matter who wins, AND i will be a respectful lizard and resist the temptation (again) to put McCain bumperstickers on the huge obama sign that says vote on november 4th if i had my way it would say
vote (mccain sticker inserted here) novmber 4th and of course on the top it hasa the messiah symbol and on the bottom the address to his web site,,
chin up lizards sanity will prevail and our country will be saved for a while longer,, go MAVERICKS

475 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #472 Adrenalyn

466 crusty

0bama&Biden
they're lawyers for crying out loud !

man, a few possiblities for humorous firm names there.....

Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe

476 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:16pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

Either way, there will be no KoolAid served at my house tomorrow evening. I will have Champagne or Maker's Mark ready to go....

477 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:26pm

Has anyone else had trouble with the up-ding button? Sometimes when I click on it, I get bounced to the home page.

478 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:32pm

re: #450 Charles

Right. Good luck with that approach.

I guess I'm a neocon RINO. I need to be purged.

Northeastern, elitist Republicans are very similar to liberals.

479 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:36pm

I don't think the Republicans have had anything approaching "principles" in... I don't know how long. A decade or more? I can't remember the last time I identified with the party at all.

There were so many opportunities to stand up and say "This is who we are, we mean it, we're sticking to our word, we're going to reduce intrusive government and smarten up regulatory government, and we're not going to stand for being pissed on by anti-American leftists." Every day was an opportunity to be something other than a pig at a trough.

Fred and Rudy were the first two guys I've seen in years who actually seemed to represent good ideas, and everybody calls Rudy a RINO. And where have they been hiding, anyway? I'd never even seen them in public before the primaries (Rudy excepted, of course).

I don't know how this federal monster is going to be tamed, but it sure as f-ck isn't going to happen with the current Repub brain trust at the helm.

480 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:44pm

re: #404 Charles

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.

Charles,

Honestly, would you still consider Lincoln Chaffe and Jim Jeffords to be "allies"?

I know it's a pejorative term. But, the reason they are called that, in my opinion, is that they want to make the GOP the political equivalent of New Coke; make it appealing to moderate Dems while alienating their base. They're trying to make the party into something it is not--and they risk destroying it.

Is the GOP adrift from the roots which made it what is was for the past 30 years- YES. Fiscal responsibility is a memory, and that is compromising the national defense issue. I may not like McCain's record overall, but it's better than BHO.

Let's not even consider how we "fix" the party tonight. By this time tomorrow, God willing, this will all be moot.

481 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:46pm

I think after Reagan, after the collapse of communism, the party stopped being the anti-communist party that it had been for decades. This was unfortunate because the communist mentality of collectivism was (and is) still alive. Collectivism is, to me, anti-American. We've always been a country of rugged individuals, so if the republicans are not going to stand as the anti-collectivist party, then we're the party that will continue to be in the minority.

482 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:18:51pm

re: #411 Sharmuta

Easier said than done. The GOP for instance has social conservatives in control of many of the top positions of the party and the way the party is structured they can make or break so-called RINO's out of hand without any plurality whatsoever.

It gets back to numbers, and as distasteful as it seems -- money. The contributors who are-like minded as Charles and many lizards on this blog need to start insisting on a equitable say in the future direction of the party.

There are many social conservatives (Palin for one) who I definitely want on our side. The "marriage" needs to come to a compromise that goes back to the founding fathers respect for ALL thing spiritual in terms of government non-interference. It goes back to something I keep harping on. The first conservative principal should be that not everything is government or politics. Some things should definitely be separated from these influences

483 srb1976  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:19:16pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

I have to be at work tomorrow night, but if I were at home, the word would be "historic"

484 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:19:19pm

re: #443 RTLM

If Reagan believed in Creationism or not, did it matter?

I don't know if he did or not. But I think its very likely.

Reagan never pushed creationism as a social agenda.

But it doesn't matter. He wasn't a god. He wasn't right about everything, and he was terribly wrong about that.

485 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:12pm

Here's an absolute keeper by Jonah Goldberg from some time back (emphasis mine):

Criticizing someone else's criticism — even when a government official does it — isn't an assault on free speech. It is free speech. And leadership does not require saying "thank you sir may I have another" every time some yutz takes an unfair swipe at you. If giving as good as you get intimidates people from speaking their mind, maybe that's a good thing, because it most likely means those people haven't thought through their positions well enough to offer an opinion worth listening to. If that makes you sad, if that makes you want your boo-boo-kitty and a cookie from your mommy, that's fine. But spare me the prattle about how dissenters are being intimidated. Either offer some facts or stop your whining.

486 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:19pm

re: #484 Charles

Also gravely mistaken on jelly beans.

487 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:20pm

re: #392 Charles

Start by stopping with this RINO bullshit, and join the 21st century. The intrusive, fanatical social agenda of the far right is a losing cause.

Charles, if you're speaking of the fringe zealots like the Westboro Baptists, then on that we agree. And, FWIW I don't think there's really that many of them, contrary to what the MSM might want some to think.

The key to moving forward is what WILL work. The Repubs need to r/t to their conservative roots. Smaller gov't, personal responsibility, and fiscal conservatism. Serve up some real Federalists. The RINO's definitely need to go though. Too many Lib D's in R clothing. I think this would be a place to start.

488 stevieray  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:28pm

I am looking at the last Gallup poll for the election, and I think their assumptions are off.

They call it Obama 55%, McCain 44%, but their Dem/Ind/Rep weighting is all out of whack. They claim the party id of likely voters will be 39% Dem, 31% Ind, and 29% Rep.

If memory serves, there hasn't been a gap of greater than 4% between Dems and Reps in any election going back two or three decades.

I think the rabid enthusiasm of the Obamatons has thrown their polling samples way off kilter -- easy to do when 70% to 80% of voters won't respond to pollsters.

Last Gallup poll link... scroll down for D/I/R weighting.

489 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:31pm

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

490 Optimizer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:37pm

Has this Obama quote ever been on LGF? It was all over our local radio station today:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

[Link: 74.125.45.104...]

'Cause it's kinda scary...

491 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:40pm

When I think of RINO, I think of someone like Lowell Weicker, who voted with the Dems way too much.

492 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:20:59pm

re: #480 calcajun

Then I think it is up to the voters to "purge" them. Don't like people on the republican ticket that don't hold your views? GET INVOLVED! My stars! They go through a process to win that nomination- even for Congress and the Senate. Stop them at that point.

493 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:02pm

re: #470 Cognito

Hopefully the phrase 'stunning reversal.'

From your lips to God's ears, Cog.

494 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:14pm

Whoever wins tomorrow, the losing side must deal with the five stages of grieving:

The stages are:


1. Denial:
* Example - "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me!"
2. Anger:
* Example - "Why me? It's not fair!" "NO! NO! How can you accept this!"
3. Bargaining:
* Example - "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything, can't you stretch it out? A few more years."
4. Depression:
* Example - "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die . . . What's the point?"
5. Acceptance:
* Example - "It's going to be OK."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

Life will go on.

495 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:24pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

That's not chocolate.

496 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:35pm

re: #467 pbird

God helps those who help themselves. Admit it. We've had piss poor leadership from the Party higherups for a long time now. They've tried to accomodate the Left, while never recognizing that, to the Left, "bi-partisanship" means the Republicans give up and let the Democrats run the show.

In that sense, I expect the Obama Administration to be the most "bi-partisian in history.

That's what scares me most. I don't think our Party Leaders have the stones to obstruct Obama like the Left has obstructed Bush.

497 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #486 Cognito

Also gravely mistaken on jelly beans.

What?! Jelly Bellys (Bellies?) are darn good.

498 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:39pm

Good Doggie.

/blocking for Lord Numbnuts since 2004

499 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:44pm

re: #428 Sharmuta

Which is why I keep saying "individual rights". I think republicans need to come to grips with this concept, and if we're going to be intellectually honest, a lot of the so-called social conservative issues will fall away.

Then why are not more Libertarians leaning to the GOP? We have more in common with them that they have with the Dems.

500 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:21:57pm

re: #483 srb1976

I have to be at work tomorrow night, but if I were at home, the word would be "historic"

Historic in that the first Vice President of the United States will be Sarah Palin ...yeah I can drink to that ....

501 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:01pm

re: #464 Desert Dog
Means testing. Dad about blew a gasket when Pres. Bush came up with that program. He gets his Forest Service retirement, Social Sec and mom has her Social Security. Between them they make more than me and my wife! Dad thinks all that stuff for the seniors should be means tested. BTW, dad is 73.

502 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:08pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

See you down at the "People's Army" Recruitment center on Wed. then?

503 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:13pm

re: #497 Occasional Reader

What?! Jelly Bellys (Bellies?) are darn good.

I'm a Skittles man.

504 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:15pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

Denounce MY ass and I'll call racism because I'm a minority. No fucking way are you hoarding the chocolate I have to share with my family.

505 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:19pm

re: #490 Optimizer

Has this Obama quote ever been on LGF? It was all over our local radio station today:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

It's been posted here twice. The first time earlier this year, when he said it.

506 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:23pm

re: #490 Optimizer

Has this Obama quote ever been on LGF?

Um... yes, to put it mildly.

507 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:28pm

re: #472 Adrenalyn

466 crusty

0bama&Biden
they're lawyers for crying out loud !

man, a few possiblities for humorous firm names there.....

Here's an eye-opening game/puzzle/challenge for you:
In 8 minutes, how many U.S. Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidates since 1980 can you name who are lawyers?

Once the 8 minutes are up, or the "Give Up?" button is clicked, you'll see all the lawyers in question, including to which party they belong. This is the part that's eye-opening.

508 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:29pm

re: #417 Intrepid

Face it, Cognito - the "press" as it was originally envisioned is dead.

Intrepid, I cannot name them, but images from a dozen B/W films of my youth come to mind, of fearless (or frightened) reporters GOING AFTER THE TRUTH!

Despite 'hard-bitten editors' and gangsters and threats and derision and blame... THE TRUTH CAME OUT!

/in those films of a now-dead era...

509 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:51pm

Our Long National Nightmare Is Over: Sarah Palin's Personal Physician Releases a Summary of Her Health Records

She's healthy. And, PS, she gave birth to Trig Palin.

510 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:55pm

re: #490 Optimizer

Yes, many times.

511 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:22:58pm

re: #484 Charles

Reagan never pushed creationism as a social agenda.

But it doesn't matter. He wasn't a god. He wasn't right about everything, and he was terribly wrong about that.

No, he didn't. That's the point. Given the belief systems and media scrutiny at the time it was never brought up.

It didn't matter what his belief was. He was a very successful and effective president.

512 Mark1957  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:23:11pm

Tomorrow's News Stories...Today!

Associated Press
November 5th, 2008

"President-Elect Barack Obama announced that, as his first order of business, he would nominate his illegal immigrant aunt, Zeituni Onyango, to head the Department of Homeland Security. When queried about his selection Obama replied, "Hey, cracka, if you can elect an unaccomplished lefty slacker like me to be President, then you can definitely handle somebody even less qualified to run Homeland Security."

/may God forbid this from happening!

McCain/Palin '08
Palin/Jindal '12, to infinity...and beyond!

513 hermit  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:23:31pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

Sharmuta - thanks. Just "Thanks, for being a lizard."

514 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:23:47pm

re: #432 Adina in Judea

I read all your posts, and enjoy reading them. You were just magnificent on that thread. I saw it after the fact.

That is why we probably have a larger % of Jewish posters than most Jewish sites. There are some of us who post here who posted on a Jewish website that has become a shanda...here Israel also has so many friends.

And I don't know if you have seen this article re Charles from Arutz Sheva...

This election is driving me up a wall...I still think that it will be a Dewey/Truman election.

515 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:23:52pm

re: #507 gmsc

It would be easier to say who weren't lawyers.

516 swamprat  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:23:59pm

re: #474 bcgirl

be safe
be careful

517 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:02pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

1. historic.
2. inexplicable
3. irregularities
4. riots

518 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:14pm

re: #504 laZardo

Denounce MY ass and I'll call racism because I'm a minority. No fucking way are you hoarding the chocolate I have to share with my family.

"White" chocolate will be banned ....but I don't think it is really chocolate anyway ...but I love it ..

519 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:19pm

re: #494 dentate

Whoever wins tomorrow, the losing side must deal with the five stages of grieving:

The stages are:


Life will go on.

There is also this list: The 5 Stages of Being Drunk

520 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:28pm

re: #482 unclassifiable

Too many of us are on the sidelines. It doesn't change that way. I'm nobody in particular- no money, no friends in high places.... I got involved and altered my state party platform even though some in the party tried to stop my suggestion. I took it to the state delegation and won. It can be done. Don't tell me it can't, because I'm proof it can.

521 Archimedes  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:31pm

People who are going to vote for Obama just embarrass me. An I'm with Stupid T shirt won't be necessary.
re: #404 Charles

RINO means 'Republican in Name Only' and it's an insulting, derisive term for people who would otherwise be allies. This absolutism has to stop.


I think what is necessary is a principled fight for individual rights. The right of each individual to his life, his liberty, the fruits of his labors and the pursuit of his happiness. Without a cohesive principle under girding everything, you end up with no substance.

522 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:32pm

Evening gang, what's shakin'

Beside PA, OH, WV going for McCain that is.

523 alien_mind  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:33pm

re: #392 Charles

Start by stopping with this RINO bullshit, and join the 21st century. The intrusive, fanatical social agenda of the far right is a losing cause.


what intrusive fanatical social agenda are you referring to?
I must have missed the part when this agenda was rolled out.

524 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:36pm

re: #435 Opilio

That's a WINNER, Opilio! :D

525 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:24:38pm

Political parties should have some discipline, but I stand by my earlier comment. Talk of purges is creepy, and I want no part of it.

526 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:02pm

re: #473 Killian Bundy

/and what State might that be?

Won't be CA, won't be NY. Meeeechigan, maybe? Maine? No, they'be been there. MN?

527 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:08pm

re: #517 Opilio

1. historic.
2. inexplicable
3. irregularities
4. riots

I go with "riots" 'cause there will be riots if he wins or loses, and by the same people.

528 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:20pm

re: #522 JCM

Evening gang, what's shakin'

Beside PA, OH, WV going for McCain that is.

Keep it up with the positive waves.

529 poopeedoo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:25pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

Chads? Um? Uh?

530 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:32pm

re: #504 laZardo

Denounce MY ass and I'll call racism because I'm a minority.

My record with regard to supporting minority asses is unimpeachable. (Brazilians are a minority, after all.)

531 Archimedes  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:34pm

re: #428 Sharmuta

Which is why I keep saying "individual rights". I think republicans need to come to grips with this concept, and if we're going to be intellectually honest, a lot of the so-called social conservative issues will fall away.

You're singing my tune. This is the foundation of America, individual rights and it can only be defended by reason.

532 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:51pm

re: #526 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I've got my bat ready. Although I don't think they'll make it out to the Valley.

533 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:25:58pm

re: #484 Charles

Reagan didn't leave you guessing about what he believed in.

He also, in spite of what his detractors said about him, didn't force his beliefs onto others.

He was a very easygoing guy who saw the humor in just about everything, especially himself. I think that's why he was so successful.

534 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:00pm

re: #511 RTLM

No, he didn't. That's the point. Given the belief systems and media scrutiny at the time it was never brought up.

It didn't matter what his belief was. He was a very successful and effective president.

And the problem is that we now have a gang of "conservatives" who DO want to push creationism and other intrusive, backward social agendas. Reagan was effective because he stayed out of this stuff. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

535 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:01pm

chocolate whore ;-) save some for me!

(re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

536 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:09pm

re: #517 Opilio

1. historic.
2. inexplicable
3. irregularities
4. riots

5. early

537 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:16pm

re: #494 dentate

1. Denial: "Okay...the news must just be off. It's still early, they probably haven't gotten all the votes in."
2. Anger: "DISENFRANCHISEMENT! SUPPRESSION! RACSIM!"
3. Bargaining: "We need a recount. Surely this is like what happened in 2000. Investigations are necessary!"
4. Depression: "That's it...I'm heading to Canada. I'll never live here again!"
5. Acceptance: "It's just four years...it's not like the world's gonna end. Here's to 2012."

538 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:19pm

I was reading John Stossels: Give Me a Break in the chapter about medical Quacks that prey upon peoples' vulnerabilities in their most desperate times.

It occurred to me that Obama is a political Quack, over-promising the most desirable outcomes, but suggesting solutions that in no way stand up to scrutiny.

And like all quacks he's happy to enrich himself and his party at our expense.

539 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:30pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

You're gonna get 2.2 grams extra per day, that's it. Forget everything you know about LGF for 48 hours, and I'll buy you a bag of Butterfingers Minis.

540 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:33pm

re: #515 calcajun

It would be easier to say who weren't lawyers.

That's why I called it a challenge!

541 fletch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:26:53pm

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

542 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:27:03pm

re: #527 MandyManners

I go with "riots" 'cause there will be riots if he wins or loses, and by the same people.

I don't think so.

But I've, um, made certain preparations, all the same.

543 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:27:36pm

re: #503 Cognito

I'm a Skittles man.

Sour Skittles.

544 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:27:48pm

re: #530 Occasional Reader

Yeah, but I get a special exemption since the Philippines used to be a U.S. colony who had my revolutionary ancestors marginalized and ostracized.

545 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:10pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Sucks to have your "October Surprise" turn out to be "Rathergate", doesn't it?

546 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:11pm

re: #543 Ward Cleaver

Wild Berry Skittles.

/ 6:

547 Archimedes  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:14pm

re: #523 alien_mind

what intrusive fanatical social agenda are you referring to?
I must have missed the part when this agenda was rolled out.

Think of things like stem sell research, or the Terry Shiavo (sp?) case. And, there are also issues like gay marriage. Strictly speaking, America is about the freedom of the individual. You're free and sovereign over your person and property so long as you don't encroach upon the rights of others. We don't need the welfare state. We don't need faith based initiatives. We just need to be free.

548 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:18pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

Your loyalty to Big Brother is duly noted. Just remember that we're the ones with the guns.

549 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:24pm

re: #526 Badge of Kaffir Pride

MN?

/not bloody likely without some sort of Divine intervention, yet I shall endeavor to persevere

550 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:29pm

re: #534 Charles

And the problem is that we now have a gang of "conservatives" who DO want to push creationism and other intrusive, backward social agendas. Reagan was effective because he stayed out of this stuff. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

I'd give Jindal a pass for the moment. He's not on the national stage yet, and among his constituency -- at the state level -- creation actually is an issue. So he, unlike Reagan, doesn't have the luxury of transcending it.

551 Syrah  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:42pm

re: #451 Sharmuta

Win or lose tomorrow, the Party will have to get its act together and find a rallying point that can build a majority.

If it doesn't, we will be a long time in the wilderness.

Individual liberties, fiscal responsibility and government transparency used to work pretty well for us.

I don't understand how all of that got lost.

552 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:28:59pm

re: #479 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yeah, the Republicans like to portray themselves as pro-Second Amendment, but how do they legislate? Real passively. They let the "assault" weapons ban sunset, but they weren't out there and actually trying to get pro-Second Amendment laws passed.

If you really believe the Second Amendment denotes an individual right, then nearly all gun control is Unconstitutional. Why wait for the Court to apply strict scruitney to Heller? Put forward a bill that gets rid of the '68 GCA. Or, even better, the '34 NFA.

Again, show some leadership.

553 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:13pm

re: #534 Charles

Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt has avoided that trap.

554 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:18pm

re: #461 Cognito

What?

Seriously, this is getting old. What does any of what you just said have to do -- at all -- with my post?

I swear I think people just see my name and then fire off any old thought, regardless.

Good Lord! You say things, then you deny you say them?

You said:

Not to live up to my reputation too completely, but... Yeah. We should be circumspect about placing any rules on the press.

Yes, that is what I pointed out. You do not want rules placed on the press.

Why, you may ask? I think we might see exactly why, over the course of an Obama presidency. I think he's far more suppressive of a free press than most people realize, considering a few key interactions. He just hasn't had to flex that suppression much, yet.

Your response is "but they may uncover things about him and he might try to suppress them".

My question was - WHY HAVEN'T THEY QUESTIONED ANYTHING HE'S SAID OR DONE BEFORE NOW? And if they haven't yet, they surely won't now. Because they are right there with him.

Sheesh, Cog. You live in more of a Pollyanna world about the PRESS than anybody I've ever seen.

555 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:29pm

re: #519 Desert Dog

There is also this list: The 5 Stages of Being Drunk

OK, Obama has gotten to stage 4. If he reaches stage 5 tonight, can we ignore him?

556 Wendya  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #443 RTLM

If Reagan believed in Creationism or not, did it matter?

I don't know if he did or not. But I think its very likely.

To be honest, the religious beliefs of Presidents doesn't particularly interest me. We're not electing them to be Priests, Pastors, Ministers or Rabbis. Their views on the Constitution are of greater concern to me.

557 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:34pm

re: #509 Yankee Division Son

Our Long National Nightmare Is Over: Sarah Palin's Personal Physician Releases a Summary of Her Health Records

She's healthy. And, PS, she gave birth to Trig Palin.

So Sullivan will apologize to VP-elect Palin on Wednesday?

558 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:49pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

Good luck with that. I'm hoarding cigarettes to use as currency.

559 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:29:55pm

re: #550 Cognito

I'd give Jindal a pass for the moment. He's not on the national stage yet, and among his constituency -- at the state level -- creation actually is an issue. So he, unlike Reagan, doesn't have the luxury of transcending it.

Well, you go ahead and give him a pass. I'm not going to.

560 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:19pm

re: #496 Iron Fist

God helps those who help themselves. Admit it. We've had piss poor leadership from the Party higherups for a long time now. They've tried to accomodate the Left, while never recognizing that, to the Left, "bi-partisanship" means the Republicans give up and let the Democrats run the show.

In that sense, I expect the Obama Administration to be the most "bi-partisian in history.

That's what scares me most. I don't think our Party Leaders have the stones to obstruct Obama like the Left has obstructed Bush.

You're right; they don't. They can't "line up" the way the Dems do.

561 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:26pm

New board game that's going to be big this Christmas:
Where in the world is Zeituni Onyango

562 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:26pm

re: #544 laZardo

Yeah, but I get a special exemption since the Philippines used to be a U.S. colony who had my revolutionary ancestors marginalized and ostracized.

I can thank your revolutionary ancestors for prompting the invention of the M1911. So I'll give you some chocolate for that.

563 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:30pm

If the Skins/Steelers game is a show of who wins, that play call looked like it was McCain leaving the campaign for the bailout bill. UGH.

564 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:39pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Well I am glad your trip was great one. It gives me hope. I was a McCain state delegate in G.W. Bush's first presidential campaign and got whacked hard. It was a very discouraging moment.

Obviously a little personal projection on my part. Sorry.

565 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:41pm

re: #534 Charles

And the problem is that we now have a gang of "conservatives" who DO want to push creationism and other intrusive, backward social agendas. Reagan was effective because he stayed out of this stuff. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

And yet McCain is our nominee.

Charles, say what you want about the Republican party, but for the most part in the last 3 decades we're pretty good at weeding out the flakes before the big show...well, comparatively speaking of course.

566 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:42pm

re: #552 Iron Fist

Yeah, the Republicans like to portray themselves as pro-Second Amendment, but how do they legislate? Real passively. They let the "assault" weapons ban sunset, but they weren't out there and actually trying to get pro-Second Amendment laws passed.

If you really believe the Second Amendment denotes an individual right, then nearly all gun control is Unconstitutional. Why wait for the Court to apply strict scruitney to Heller? Put forward a bill that gets rid of the '68 GCA. Or, even better, the '34 NFA.

Again, show some leadership.

It's a loser. The public has been thoroughly miseducated by the media and Clintonian propaganda ops.

567 Quad Mocha Matti  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:47pm

re: #541 fletch

568 capitalist piglet  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:30:50pm

re: #406 newsjunkie_ky

o'reilly just frickin' lied. he said McCain/Palin avoided him but they scheduled to meet with him but o'reilly was 'RAINED IN' in NYC. McCain/Pallin have a very tight schedule, they made room for o'reilly, he MISSED it.

When Obama was on his show, I was surprised they could fit the two of them in the same room together. Their combined hat size must be fifty-two.

569 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:06pm

re: #541 fletch

Don't you have something better to do, Fletch? Aren't you supposed to be watching Auntie Zeituni tonight? The last guy that slacked off at that job nearly embarrassed your Messiah. (nearly)

570 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:08pm

Wow, the Steelers just made a goal-line stand.

571 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:11pm

re: #509 Yankee Division Son

And, PS, she gave birth to Trig Palin.

Then why hasn't the McCain/Palin campaign released Trig's birth certificate! Conspiracy, I say!
;)

572 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:16pm

re: #551 Syrah

Win or lose tomorrow, the Party will have to get its act together and find a rallying point that can build a majority.

If it doesn't, we will be a long time in the wilderness.

Individual liberties, fiscal responsibility and government transparency used to work pretty well for us.

I don't understand how all of that got lost.

I think Charles is on to something- "social" conservatives thought they could push their agenda and are using our party to do it. This turns away valuable, like minded people who don't want anything to do with.... zealots (for lack of a better term).

573 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:18pm

re: #474 bcgirl

Good for you, BC girl. Just to let you know, at least two of my Reno relatives are voting McCain. Have a great day.

574 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:19pm

re: #561 HelloDare

New board game that's going to be big this Christmas:
Where in the world is Zeituni Onyango

Is there going to be a Deval Patrick clue card?

575 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:31:39pm

Hey all - pretty tame night for LGF considering tomorrow?

576 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:05pm

re: #479 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't know how this federal monster is going to be tamed, but it sure as f-ck isn't going to happen with the current Repub brain trust at the helm.

Right now, i think the priority focus is not becoming a socialist eurofailedstate.

577 capitalist piglet  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:12pm

re: #438 Ward Cleaver

WTF is Biden talking about now?

/girl-girls and girl-boys?

LOL - I read that. Whiskey, Tango, all that.

Can you imagine if Sarah Palin had said anything that sounded even remotely that in-need-of-thorazine?

578 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:14pm

re: #563 Badge of Kaffir Pride

If the Skins/Steelers game is a show of who wins, that play call looked like it was McCain leaving the campaign for the bailout bill. UGH.

The Redskins superstition failed in the 2004 election. It doesn't work anymore.

579 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:30pm

re: #547 Archimedes

Think of things like stem sell research, or the Terry Shiavo (sp?) case. And, there are also issues like gay marriage. Strictly speaking, America is about the freedom of the individual. You're free and sovereign over your person and property so long as you don't encroach upon the rights of others. We don't need the welfare state. We don't need faith based initiatives. We just need to be free.

Adult Stem Cells work. Adult Stem Cell repairs to bad heart muscle is in clinical trial right now.

They'll take a tissue sample out of my thigh, centrifuge it and remove the stem cells, and then inject them directly into my heart three days later. New tissue is growing inside of of a week. I'm gonna get my heart FIXED!

580 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:32pm

re: #541 fletch

fletch
Registered since: Jan 27, 2008 at 6:26 pm
No. of comments posted: 7
No. of links posted: 0


Twerp.

581 Pepper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:32pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

By the way, just to reiterate; if Obama wins, I'm planning on quickly denouncing ALL your asses to the Obama Truth Squads, in exchange for a vastly increased chocolate ration.

Just so you know.

/ROFLMAO

582 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:35pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

They were the people mandated by law to investigate. The other investigation was political.

583 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:40pm

re: #534 Charles

And the problem is that we now have a gang of "conservatives" who DO want to push creationism and other intrusive, backward social agendas. Reagan was effective because he stayed out of this stuff. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

I'm not sure there's a more rising star in the GOP than Eric Cantor. I'm Canadian, mind you, but I cheered for Palin like you guys!

584 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:48pm

re: #561 HelloDare

New board game that's going to be big this Christmas:
Where in the world is Zeituni Onyango

Probably in the Gov mansion in Massachusetts as Deval has been watching over her, or maybe getting tricked out for the party in Chicago tomorrow

585 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:32:48pm

re: #564 unclassifiable

Sometimes being involved means setbacks. We just have to keep plugging away.

586 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #528 calcajun

Keep it up with the positive waves.


Crazy... I mean like, so many positive waves... maybe we can't lose...

      — Oddball, Kelly's Heroes (1970)

587 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:11pm

who the f are you? oh jan 27 2008 and 7 comments, bi partisan legislature? yah right -- get lost troll

200re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

588 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:11pm

re: #424 SteveC

1) Defend the country
2) Protect the innocent (including elderly/unborn)
3) Responsable and controlled spending
4) Stay the hell out of people's private affairs

That's a winning conservative strategy.

Your numbers 2 and 4 are in conflict with one another.
Some would say, not necessarily me.

589 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:21pm

Did I miss the release of Obama's medical records?

590 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:49pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

Read your dictionary, stupid. A "factoid" is a non-fact.

591 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:49pm

541 fletch

I will indulge you this once

she would have been remiss by not trying to get him fired

she had firsthand, family information on his inappropriate demeanor and behavior unsuitable for someone permitted to carry a firearm and act as a peace officer

she did the right thing in other words

like Ted Kazinski's brother did, asshole

/sorry Charles
I'll censor myself next time

592 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:49pm

re: #577 capitalist piglet

LOL - I read that. Whiskey, Tango, all that.

Can you imagine if Sarah Palin had said anything that sounded even remotely that in-need-of-thorazine?

The man has had multiple brain surgeries. Give him a break. :-(

593 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:33:50pm

re: #554 Intrepid

Here's the deal: There are reasons the country's founders were hesitant to place rules on the press. They remembered the sting of a kingship's influence on the press.

If someone starts arguing for restrictions imposed on the press -- a less free press -- he's making a myopic argument. Look at the long term.

594 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:03pm

re: #575 cliffster

Hey all - pretty tame night for LGF considering tomorrow?

We're resting and calming our nerves.
I'd clean my guns but I don't have any. I'll have to rely on dogs for protection.

595 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:06pm

re: #550 Cognito

I'd give Jindal a pass for the moment. He's not on the national stage yet, and among his constituency -- at the state level -- creation actually is an issue. So he, unlike Reagan, doesn't have the luxury of transcending it.

Agreed. Though he should try to steer his state party away from this issue. It's toxic and it ends with people being forced to deny facts in the name of politics. The GOP should not be doing that. Evolution needs to be de-politicized; treat it on its merits, no less, no more.

596 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:31pm

re: #559 Charles

Well, you go ahead and give him a pass. I'm not going to.

For the moment, as I said.

Right now there's no need to boo him -- he's not even in the stadium.

597 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:32pm

Is it just me, or has the term 'bipartisan' lost its meaning over the last 15 years?

598 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:40pm

you'll have to pry my chocolate from my cold dead hands first...

599 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:48pm

re: #541 fletch

Were you born an asshole or did you have to work at it?

600 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:49pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

Chevy? Is that you ......Ass

601 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:34:52pm

re: #580 JCM

fletch
Registered since: Jan 27, 2008 at 6:26 pm
No. of comments posted: 7
No. of links posted: 0


Twerp.

/with a death wish

602 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:02pm

Signing off for the night after a busy day.

Please give me a real November surprise tomorrow - a McCain-Palin victory.

If I could vote, that would be my ticket.

/watching from the great white north.

603 HelloDare  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #584 SpartanWoman

Probably in the Gov mansion in Massachusetts as Deval has been watching over her, or maybe getting tricked out for the party in Chicago tomorrow

Has anybody figured out if she is registered to vote? That seems to be the obvious question but I haven't seen any mention of it.

604 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:29pm

re: #542 Occasional Reader

I don't think so.

But I've, um, made certain preparations, all the same.

Have you ever seen a city erupt after their team won the Super Bowl?

605 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:32pm

re: #577 capitalist piglet

Not going to click it.

Biden crazy is truly scary crazy.

President Joe Biden is not as big of a joke as I used to think it was.

606 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:33pm

re: #597 jaunte

Is it just me, or has the term 'bipartisan' lost its meaning over the last 15 years?

Bipartisan means caving to the Democrats.....being polarizing means sticking to your beliefs if you are a Republican.

607 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:52pm

re: #534 Charles

And the problem is that we now have a gang of "conservatives" who DO want to push creationism and other intrusive, backward social agendas. Reagan was effective because he stayed out of this stuff. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

And that is a problem.

Whether or not McCain wins tomorrow (and I'm thinking he will win), there are a lot of "conservatives" who need to be whomped upside the head with a cluebat or three. You have named three of them. There are others.

ID = creationism = religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nuff said.

608 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:52pm

re: #474 bcgirl

Hi, Stranger! ;)

NY Grampa is now fast asleep at a ridiculously early time for either of us, as he is an election inspector in our very blue district, and has to be up at 4 AM to get to the polling place (our now-adult kids' elementary school) by 5 AM..polls open at 6 AM in NY, and close at 9 PM. I have a feeling that it will be a very looong, very busy day.

Good on you for what you are doing! So far we have not gotten one call from McCain's campaing, even though we are registered Republicans for over 8 years...

Sweet dreams!

609 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:35:55pm

re: #597 jaunte

Is it just me, or has the term 'bipartisan' lost its meaning over the last 15 years?

Yeah, now it means, "Bend over, Republicans!"

610 Cognito  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:00pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

Here's a fact for you: The official state inquiry reached the same conclusion, weeks ago.

611 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:01pm

re: #576 ErislDysnomia

Right now, i think the priority focus is not becoming a socialist eurofailedstate.

Required reading if zerO wins:

Farnham's Freehold, by Robert A. Heinlein

612 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:12pm

re: #598 nightintheruts

you'll have to pry my chocolate from my cold dead hands first...

Plus side; if your hands are cold, the chocolate won't melt in them.

613 Karridine  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:13pm

re: #579 SteveC

I'm gonna get my heart FIXED!

But Steve, you get a NEW HEART every 7 months anyway, when every cell dies and is replaced by new, vibrant heart-cells...

/Or should be, as is your birthright...

614 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:18pm

re: #541 fletch

Wow. Her small handpicked team of "investigators" chosen to counter the bipartisan findings of the legislature found her "innocent." BIIIG shocker there. And I'll assume that your failure to include that little factoid was just a mistake, even though its right there in the article a few lines down, since you routinely fry others for selectively quoting factual sources.

Bipartisan my ass.

615 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:20pm

re: #572 Sharmuta

I think Charles is on to something- "social" conservatives thought they could push their agenda and are using our party to do it. This turns away valuable, like minded people who don't want anything to do with.... zealots (for lack of a better term).

We have history, economic theory, and morality on our side when it comes to taxation and economics. I hate how we've departed from this very good core of the platform, and now seem to have to pander to the religion of the good hard-workin' folk. The good hard-workin' folk loved us because we respected that hard work. Some of us are sitting next to them on Sunday morning, some not, but that's not where we win the battle for the Constitution.

616 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:34pm

re: #610 Cognito

Here's a fact for you: The official state inquiry reached the same conclusion, weeks ago.

He did not see that over at the KOS Echo Chamber, I guess?

617 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:51pm

re: #599 MandyManners

Were you born an asshole or did you have to work at it?

I think it's natural. I've never seen a "How to be a flamin' asshole!" workbook on sale at B. Daltons.

618 yesandno  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:54pm

re: #190 MandyManners

What do they call the student who ranked last in law school?

Counsellor.

Tis true. On the other hand, who wants to be operated on by the doc who was at the negative end of the bell curve?

619 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:36:58pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Though he should try to steer his state party away from this issue. It's toxic and it ends with people being forced to deny facts in the name of politics. The GOP should not be doing that. Evolution needs to be de-politicized; treat it on its merits, no less, no more.

He's not going to steer the party away from it -- Jindal is what most people would call a "religious fanatic," who, in addition to his creationist beliefs, believes exorcism cures cancer. He's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute.

620 srb1976  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:37:12pm

I now officially believe in miracles....both short people went to bed without any protest at all (Her Royal Stoutness went just a few minutes ago).....

621 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:37:12pm

re: #597 jaunte

Is it just me, or has the term 'bipartisan' lost its meaning over the last 15 years?

No, it still means to do what democrats want.

622 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #570 Ward Cleaver

Wow, the Steelers just made a goal-line stand.

Another believer in the Redskins' Curse?

623 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:37:27pm

re: #541 fletch

Woot! Gamy Buttocks on the Grill tonight!

624 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:37:48pm

re: #534 Charles

I agree Charles. Even though Jindal's name has been thrown about, there are certain aspects of his agenda that would prove to be a liability in a national race.

625 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:05pm

re: #613 Karridine

But Steve, you get a NEW HEART every 7 months anyway, when every cell dies and is replaced by new, vibrant heart-cells...

/Or should be, as is your birthright...

But mine was broken when I got it. I would take it back, but I lost the damn receipt!

:)

626 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:06pm

re: #601 Killian Bundy

/with a death wish

Hah!

627 RTLM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:07pm

This topis is one I usually avoid. Creationism was beaten over my head as a kid. I was Baptized at a small Baptist Church in AR. But never interfered with the known facts as I had them at 8 years old. 30 some years ago no one had a firm grasp on why the Dinos died. I asked my Dad about it and he told me: "Just because a Pastor says it, you are not required to believe it." That's how I got through it.

I'm just not feeling the encroachment.

IIRC the Asteroid theory surfaced in the early 80's.

628 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:17pm

Whatever you do? Do not watch 'Nightline'...hazardous to your health.

They are partying already....shocka!

629 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:18pm

A few good classic music videos that should keep the hope alive through tomorrow:

Faith
Gone 'Til November
Are You Gonna Go My Way
We're Not Gonna Take It
Whip It
True Faith
Right Now
November Rain
Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Freedom
Beat It

630 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:22pm

re: #541 fletch

GAZE.

631 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:29pm

re: #566 OldLineTexan

And that is, at least partly, the Republican's fault. We have to be able to prositlyze from the Middle. We've spent too much effort to try and get "bi-partisan" results. Some people aren't going to like us no matter what we do.

Write them off instead of pandering to them. Go for the ones that are reachable. Roughly 75% of the people believe that the Second Amendment is an individual right. I'll take a 75% majority on any issue to the bank. IMHO, if we don't see more gun control on the Obama plate for the next two years, it will be because of that 75% thing.

632 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:43pm

re: #619 Charles

He's not going to steer the party away from it -- Jindal is what most people would call a religious fanatic who, in addition to his creationist beliefs, believes exorcism cures cancer. He's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute.

YHTBFKM

And people call ME crazy.

633 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:57pm

re: #607 Steffan

And that is a problem.

Whether or not McCain wins tomorrow (and I'm thinking he will win), there are a lot of "conservatives" who need to be whomped upside the head with a cluebat or three. You have named three of them. There are others.

ID = creationism = religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nuff said.

What law is before Congress right now, or has been proposed by Conservatives, that would make some law respecting an establishment of religion as you highlighted?

634 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:58pm

So, what time is everyone voting tomorrow? (Or, were you smart and voted early?). I am going down at 6am tomorrow and hope there is not a line already. Otherwise, it'll be a 6pm vote....

635 LonnyE  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:38:58pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

How should we handle RINOs sir? I am not asking to be hostile, I am simply asking for your opinion.

They shouldn't be "handled" at all. They deserve a stake in the party.

For example, do you honestly want to purge the party of the Senators Snowe and Collins? Exactly what sort of outcome do you expect other than to see two Democatic senators displace them?

What is needed is the next great leader of the party -- the next Ronald Reagan.

636 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:10pm

re: #567 Quad Mocha Matti

troll alert?

ya think?

637 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:20pm

re: #610 Cognito

Here's a fact for you: The official state inquiry reached the same conclusion, weeks ago.

Fletch thinks on Wednesday his mortgage will be paid and his gas tank will be full.

638 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:32pm

re: #617 SteveC

I think it's natural. I've never seen a "How to be a flamin' asshole!" workbook on sale at B. Daltons.

Got me there.

639 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:36pm

I don't see why I need any print sources or TV sources - I can find the same or similar content in a much greater variety on the web. The best part about the web, is not just reading the articles but the comments and links that help to clarify the original article -TV is not going to provide that kind of analysis. Even the bi-partisan talking heads, especially on the left,know they must tow the party line or be ostrasized forever. They all end up sounding like lawyer manipulating nuance to their own advantage.

That said, my favorite commentator is Karl Rove. The man is a walking political encyclopedia - recalling facts from election throughout history. No wonder they call him "Bush's Brain."

640 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:38pm

re: #612 Occasional Reader

Plus side; if your hands are cold, the chocolate won't melt in them.

good point.
If they want my chocolate...
hmmm...chocolate covered buckshot?

641 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:39:51pm

re: #618 yesandno

Tis true. On the other hand, who wants to be operated on by the doc who was at the negative end of the bell curve?

How can you find it out?

642 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:09pm

re: #597 jaunte

Is it just me, or has the term 'bipartisan' lost its meaning over the last 15 years?

No, it's still the same. "Bipartisan" means you cut a deal with Dems to do it their way.

"Partisan" is anytime the Republicans get their way.

643 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:14pm

re: #624 Gus 802

I agree Charles. Even though Jindal's name has been thrown about, there are certain aspects of his agenda that would prove to be a liability in a national race.

I'm calling it now: Cantor's the VP pick in 2012. Most photogenic ticket in history.

644 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:26pm

re: #622 calcajun

Another believer in the Redskins' Curse?

Ouch, sack number 7 on Campbell. Redskins were driving again, at the 12. Now they've turned over on downs.

645 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:30pm

Goddamn Bill Gates. I want to reply to a post and I get sent to the front page! Have reload/refreshed/reyelled. DAMN!

646 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:38pm

re: #507 gmsc

Here's an eye-opening game/puzzle/challenge for you:
In 8 minutes, how many U.S. Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidates since 1980 can you name who are lawyers?

Once the 8 minutes are up, or the "Give Up?" button is clicked, you'll see all the lawyers in question, including to which party they belong. This is the part that's eye-opening.


I forgot Dole and bentsen but got the rest.
Have said for years, NEVER vote for a lawyer, even for dog catcher.

647 Claire  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:51pm

I thought I caught on the radio today, that tomorrow night at Grant Park, they are going to put Obama behind a wall of bulletproof glass while he gives his speech? Did anybody else hear about this?

648 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #615 cliffster

We have history, economic theory, and morality on our side when it comes to taxation and economics. I hate how we've departed from this very good core of the platform, and now seem to have to pander to the religion of the good hard-workin' folk. The good hard-workin' folk loved us because we respected that hard work. Some of us are sitting next to them on Sunday morning, some not, but that's not where we win the battle for the Constitution.

Those who profess to love the Constitution yet try to push their social agenda have to confront the nasty little conundrum of their own hypocrisy. This can be done gently, but if they can't see how their agenda is un-American and harmful to the party, then it is incumbent upon those of us who do to keep these people out of office and positions of power within the party, for they will favor their own over us.

649 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:40:56pm

re: #552 Iron Fist

Yeah, the Republicans like to portray themselves as pro-Second Amendment, but how do they legislate? Real passively. They let the "assault" weapons ban sunset, but they weren't out there and actually trying to get pro-Second Amendment laws passed.

If you really believe the Second Amendment denotes an individual right, then nearly all gun control is Unconstitutional. Why wait for the Court to apply strict scruitney to Heller? Put forward a bill that gets rid of the '68 GCA. Or, even better, the '34 NFA.

Again, show some leadership.

If they wimp on the individual rights issue, we need to push the 10 USC 311 issue. It's not a right, it's our duty to our country.

650 non-lib Nina  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:03pm

re: #629 gmsc

A few good classic music videos that should keep the hope alive through tomorrow:

Faith
Gone 'Til November
Are You Gonna Go My Way
We're Not Gonna Take It
Whip It
True Faith
Right Now
November Rain
Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Freedom
Beat It

I absolutely love your choices! Faith and Freedom are two of my all time favorites. Listen to them all the time. Happy music. :)

651 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:16pm

ok, Sarah Palin/Cindy Garrison in 2012

that's my final answer

652 TheMatrix31  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:23pm

re: #639 DistantThunder

I don't see why I need any print sources or TV sources - I can find the same or similar content in a much greater variety on the web. The best part about the web, is not just reading the articles but the comments and links that help to clarify the original article -TV is not going to provide that kind of analysis. Even the bi-partisan talking heads, especially on the left,know they must tow the party line or be ostrasized forever. They all end up sounding like lawyer manipulating nuance to their own advantage.

That said, my favorite commentator is Karl Rove. The man is a walking political encyclopedia - recalling facts from election throughout history. No wonder they call him "Bush's Brain."

Yeah, let's just hope he's wrong about tomorrow :)

653 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:23pm

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654 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:24pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

What will be the drinking word tomorrow night? from the talking heads ....

How about this drinking phrase- This is unbelievable, but McCain wins (insert your favorite state)...

655 wee fury  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:25pm

I don't know why -- but, the term RINO always reminds me of a nose.

656 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:41:56pm

re: #584 SpartanWoman

Probably in the Gov mansion in Massachusetts as Deval has been watching over her, or maybe getting tricked out for the party in Chicago tomorrow

I think I read somewhere that Deval Patrick will be getting an appointment to the Supreme Court for that little hide the auntie game ...

657 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:02pm

re: #647 Claire

I thought I caught on the radio today, that tomorrow night at Grant Park, they are going to put Obama behind a wall of bulletproof glass while he gives his speech? Did anybody else hear about this?

I don't blame them.

658 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:10pm

re: #645 pingjockey

Goddamn Bill Gates. I want to reply to a post and I get sent to the front page! Have reload/refreshed/reyelled. DAMN!

Firefox is a free download. Its been great for me. Suffered with IE for years. Old dog, new tricks, etc.

659 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:13pm

re: #634 Desert Dog

I'm going in on my way to work in the morning. I live in a particularly liberal area of the inner-city, Minneapolis.

There will be virtually no one there at 7:00 am.

660 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:19pm

re: #629 gmsc

A few good classic music videos that should keep the hope alive through tomorrow:

Faith
Gone 'Til November
Are You Gonna Go My Way
We're Not Gonna Take It
Whip It
True Faith
Right Now
November Rain
Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Freedom
Beat It

Eurythmics' other video sounds like the Hillary Clinton campaign theme song.

661 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:24pm

re: #655 wee fury

I don't know why -- but, the term RINO always reminds me of a nose.

Rhinoplasty.

662 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:28pm

re: #623 Intrepid

Woot! Gamy Buttocks on the Grill tonight!

I've had enough gamy buttocks for a while. I'd like some troll leg tonight.

663 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:42pm

re: #641 MandyManners

How can you find it out?

Been there. Well, almost. When I visited a surgeon and informed him my gut hurt, I couldn't eat and xrays hadn't shown anything, he replied 'Well, let's just open you up and take a look'

I quick-stepped out of there.

664 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:55pm

In the Doonesbury comic strip, the degenerate trooper who tasered a kid was brought up only to support the contention that Palin's entire family is weird, as if she had no problem with him. No mention of her efforts to get him fired.

665 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:42:58pm

So I have been on vacation until today, and catching up today. Have we, on LGF, been running electoral numbers for tomorrow? I went through the map this afternoon, and what I've noticed is that if McCain wins Pennsylvania, then the election becomes very close to every other election for the last few decades. And the Republicans seem to have done pretty well in the Executive Branch the last few decades..

666 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:43:09pm

re: #634 Desert Dog

So, what time is everyone voting tomorrow?

I'm gonna be there ready to vote at 7 when the doors open. I'll come home and play "put the ballot in the box" with my girlfriend. I'll probably be late, I'm expecting it to take all day to *ahem* vote.

667 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:43:23pm

re: #643 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Photogenic? What's he like?

668 non-lib Nina  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:43:24pm

re: #662 Dark_Falcon

I've had enough gamy buttocks for a while. I'd like some troll leg tonight.

Do you have some mint jelly to go with that?

669 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:43:26pm

re: #631 Iron Fist

And that is, at least partly, the Republican's fault. We have to be able to prositlyze from the Middle. We've spent too much effort to try and get "bi-partisan" results. Some people aren't going to like us no matter what we do.

Write them off instead of pandering to them. Go for the ones that are reachable. Roughly 75% of the people believe that the Second Amendment is an individual right. I'll take a 75% majority on any issue to the bank. IMHO, if we don't see more gun control on the Obama plate for the next two years, it will be because of that 75% thing.

Well, of course. The Repubs were running for the middle on gun control...which does not exist.

670 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:43:50pm

re: #663 esch

Been there. Well, almost. When I visited a surgeon and informed him my gut hurt, I couldn't eat and xrays hadn't shown anything, he replied 'Well, let's just open you up and take a look'

I quick-stepped out of there.

What a nut!

671 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:07pm

I'm out.

Get out and vote tomorrow, folks.

We can do it.

672 Mark1957  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:17pm

Crazy... I mean like, so many positive waves... maybe we can't lose...

      — Oddball, Kelly's Heroes (1970)

CRAZY BIG POSITIVE WAVES!

In other news....

Tomorrow's news stories...today! (Part II)

Associated Press
January 20th, 2010

President Obama, under increasing fire from both the left and right due to rapidly deepening recession and a 12% unemployment rate, was handed another headache today after Congress announced it would conduct a full-blown investigation into allegations of fraudulent credit card donations to his 2008 campaign. When asked for comment, President Obama paused thoughtfully, gazed heroically into the distance, and mumbled, "I am not the the Obama I used to know."

673 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:20pm

re: #666 SteveC

I'm gonna be there ready to vote at 7 when the doors open. I'll come home and play "put the ballot in the box" with my girlfriend. I'll probably be late, I'm expecting it to take all day to *ahem* vote.

Just watch those hangin' chads...

674 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:22pm

re: #663 esch

Been there. Well, almost. When I visited a surgeon and informed him my gut hurt, I couldn't eat and xrays hadn't shown anything, he replied 'Well, let's just open you up and take a look'

I quick-stepped out of there.

No CAT or MRI? I'd be out of there too. We've made progress since the days of exploratory surgery.

675 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:24pm

HI NY Nana, yep it will definitly be a long day tomorrow what with the voting and the victory party, I will also call my local Republican headquarters and complain that my NY republican friends did not gat any phone calls,, PVT BINJIMN,,I thank you for your encouragment, i so want Nevada to go for McCain and both Sarah and the Maverick himself are making the last campaing stops here in our state

really gotta go to bednow so sorry i cant stay to watch the fun with our latest troll,, ya'all play nice OR NOT

MC CAIN/PALIN 2008

binMIn0osre: #608 NY Nana

Hi, Stranger! ;)

NY Grampa is now fast asleep at a ridiculously early time for either of us, as he is an election inspector in our very blue district, and has to be up at 4 AM to get to the polling place (our now-adult kids' elementary school) by 5 AM..polls open at 6 AM in NY, and close at 9 PM. I have a feeling that it will be a very looong, very busy day.

Good on you for what you are doing! So far we have not gotten one call from McCain's campaing, even though we are registered Republicans for over 8 years...

Sweet dreams!

676 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:24pm

re: #633 cliffster

What law is before Congress right now, or has been proposed by Conservatives, that would make some law respecting an establishment of religion as you highlighted?

For starters, the disastrously stupid idea of amending the Constitution to prevent gay marriage.

677 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:29pm

#658 kansas

I loaded FF3 today and so far am not impressed

LGF loaded slow as ever
and
I cannot figure out how to suppress content from some sites as I can in I.E by declaring them "restricted" sites

678 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:31pm

re: #619 Charles

He's not going to steer the party away from it -- Jindal is what most people would call a "religious fanatic," who, in addition to his creationist beliefs, believes exorcism cures cancer. He's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute.


really?
there are people that think exorcism cures cancer?
I've seen that dude on tv that exorcises like thousands of people, if the price is right...but never cancer.
That's so rich....and sad.
and hey, I'm one of the christians...

679 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #628 NY Nana

Whatever you do? Do not watch 'Nightline'...hazardous to your health.

They are partying already....shocka!

Just wait until the economy slows because people don't want to be punished for being productive. O-bots don't let your business owners see your Obama stickers or you may be the first laid off.

680 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:39pm

re: #646 newsjunkie_ky

I forgot Dole and bentsen but got the rest.
Have said for years, NEVER vote for a lawyer, even for dog catcher.

Notice that Dole and Quayle are the only Republican lawyers who've run since 1980? All the others ran as Democrats!

BTW, good job getting all but 2!

681 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:40pm

re: #632 esch

Some libertarian YOU are.

682 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:44:58pm

re: #664 Wm T Sherman

In the Doonesbury comic strip, the degenerate trooper who tasered a kid was brought up only to support the contention that Palin's entire family is weird, as if she had no problem with him. No mention of her efforts to get him fired.

Starting Wednesday, official communications from the Leader will be transmitted in the form of Doonesbury comics.

683 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:03pm

re: #665 cliffster

if McCain wins Pennsylvania, then the election becomes very close to every other election for the last few decades

Let's hope he has a lot of friends in Pennsylvania.

684 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:21pm

re: #45 Opinionated

I haven't watched NBC since I hooked up cable. I haven't watched MSM TV news or morning shows since the year 2000. If I see a Democrat talking (with a few exceptions), I mute or channel flick. If an actor starts talking politics, same thing. On the radio - I turn it off during the news. This is all just second nature to me now, just reflex. I get all my news, my commentary, all of it, from certain news sources on the internet. Occasionally, I hear something new on talk radio. The result is, I am better informed, and spend very little time being annoyed at something that is just shown to be false later - which is most everything from MSM.

685 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:23pm

re: #667 Gus 802

Photogenic? What's he like?

His wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

686 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:31pm

re: #663 esch

Been there. Well, almost. When I visited a surgeon and informed him my gut hurt, I couldn't eat and xrays hadn't shown anything, he replied 'Well, let's just open you up and take a look'

I quick-stepped out of there.

No ultrasound or CATscan available? They did a bunch of tests on me earlier this year. Found a huge cyst in my kidney, but it turned out to be benign.

What are your symptoms?

687 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:43pm

Ok, no October surprise for us. I guess that only works if its a DUI that GW B got back in 1977 or a phony guard story. See you guys.

688 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:53pm

I'm heading for bed. Good night, Lizards.

689 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:54pm

re: #509 Yankee Division Son

Our Long National Nightmare Is Over: Sarah Palin's Personal Physician Releases a Summary of Her Health Records

She's healthy. And, PS, she gave birth to Trig Palin.

Yes, but will "Excitable Andy" accept that, or will he claim it's more coverup?

690 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:45:59pm

re: #644 Ward Cleaver

Ouch, sack number 7 on Campbell. Redskins were driving again, at the 12. Now they've turned over on downs.

oh, since I couldn't get on last night...

HOW BOUT THEM TITANS! 8 AND O BABY!

691 Optimizer  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:02pm

re: #505 Charles

It's been posted here twice. The first time earlier this year, when he said it.

How'd I miss that? Must be getting senile, or something...

Thanks, guys!

692 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:06pm

re: #668 non-lib Nina

Do you have some mint jelly to go with that?

No, I'd have my mother whip up some gravy. She does an excellent job making gravies and sauces.

693 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:13pm

re: #672 Mark1957

He won't be able to vote "present"...wonder how he'll do with that?

694 non-lib Nina  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:26pm

re: #677 Adrenalyn

Try Safari, I have been using it for two weeks, and it is awesome. The site runs so much faster, even with the additional traffic here.

695 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:30pm

Just noticed that The Zero, on o'reilly, just called ayers, BILL. Not Ayers but BILL, it just rolled off his tongue so easily like he says it every day.
The Zero thinks by saying bill is someone who doesn't advise him 'regularly' means ayers does advise him.

696 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:34pm

re: #666 SteveC

You mean you will spend the day rehearsing what BHO is planning to do to the country for the next four years?

697 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:51pm

re: #633 cliffster

What law is before Congress right now, or has been proposed by Conservatives, that would make some law respecting an establishment of religion as you highlighted?

Not necessarily Congress, but it has been established that what applies to Congress applies to the states. And: the state of Louisiana has adopted the idea of Intelligent Design. The state of Texas may soon follow.

What follows in both states is going to be entertaining to watch. Bring popcorn.

698 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:46:58pm

re: #649 Steffan

Yeah. A truly "Liberal" position on gun control would be if the Government had to spring for an automatic rifle if you couldn't afford it. I don't see that one happening anytime, well, ever.

We've got to quit letting the Democrats set the agenda. I don't really see that changing for the next 2 years minimum.

699 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:21pm

re: #679 DistantThunder

Just wait until the economy slows because people don't want to be punished for being productive. O-bots don't let your business owners see your Obama stickers or you may be the first laid off.

/Going John Galt

700 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:28pm

re: #681 Sharmuta

I said shadings.

IMHO, believing exorcism cures cancer is delusional and dangerous. Show me some peer-reviewed clinical evidence, thanks. Believe what you want, but when you're sick, go SEE A DOCTOR. That's what they're for.

701 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:41pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

Those who profess to love the Constitution yet try to push their social agenda have to confront the nasty little conundrum of their own hypocrisy. This can be done gently, but if they can't see how their agenda is un-American and harmful to the party, then it is incumbent upon those of us who do to keep these people out of office and positions of power within the party, for they will favor their own over us.

And that means we have to stop being infatuated with the Jindal's of the world just because they have an "R" by their name an unseated a person with a "D" by their name.

That means voting for a "D" unless that "D" supports the current big government vision of the leaders of the party.

Not trying to be a wet blanket here but these are difficult propositions. The party leaders need to be more infatuated with liberty and less infatuated with power. And politicizing one's spiritual outlook is nothing but an exercise in power over liberty.

702 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:48pm

re: #685 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Thanks. I'll have to read up.

703 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:48pm

re: #690 nightintheruts

oh, since I couldn't get on last night...

HOW BOUT THEM TITANS! 8 AND O BABY!

Hopefully the Bears will end that streak on Sunday.

704 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:47:58pm

re: #695 newsjunkie_ky

Just noticed that The Zero, on o'reilly, just called ayers, BILL. Not Ayers but BILL, it just rolled off his tongue so easily like he says it every day.
The Zero thinks by saying bill is someone who doesn't advise him 'regularly' means ayers does advise him.

He only calls people by their first name if he doesn't like them. Just see how he called McCain "John".

/

705 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:48:09pm

re: #700 esch

I must have misunderstood your comment- you were saying that about Jindal?

706 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:48:21pm

re: #696 dentate

You mean you will spend the day rehearsing what BHO is planning to do to the country for the next four years?

NO! All the participants will be willing!

707 non-lib Nina  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:48:22pm

re: #692 Dark_Falcon

No, I'd have my mother whip up some gravy. She does an excellent job making gravies and sauces.

mmmm, gravy!

708 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:01pm

re: #676 Charles
That turned off a whole bunch of people. Not a very bright idea.

709 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:06pm

Gonna head out, gotta find a temporary replacement USB keyboard because the UIOP keys on my laptop burned out and I don't want to use the family PC too much.

Cheers, and especially cheers to all Lizards voting this morning (timezone calculations included).

710 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:16pm

You mean that exorcism doesn't cure cancer?

711 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:16pm

re: #559 CharlesI think its just a bit odd how the old world Catholic church is OK with evolution and all the empirical evidence for it but newer versions of it are stuck in denial.

712 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:24pm

re: #703 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully the Bears will end that streak on Sunday.


sorry brother, I'm hoping nothing from that town wins this week.

713 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:27pm

re: #706 SteveC

NO! All the participants will be willing!

Surely you will spread the wealth?

714 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:27pm

re: #686 Desert Dog

This was 20 years ago. Ileitis. (Crohn's disease) I remember a slough of various kinds of tests and 8 different doctors in 3 months. After the slash-happy surgeon I ended up at Mayo.

715 MikeySDCA  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:53pm

OT: BO seems to agree with Adolf Hitler who told his generals in August 1939
"No one will ask the victor if he told the truth."

716 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:49:55pm

re: #677 Adrenalyn

#658 kansas

I loaded FF3 today and so far am not impressed

LGF loaded slow as ever
and
I cannot figure out how to suppress content from some sites as I can in I.E by declaring them "restricted" sites

Well, I can't say I'm an expert, only had it two days, but everything is much faster for me. LGF is slow sometimes, but better than with IE for me. The other stuff, I don't know about. Sorry it didnt' work for you.

717 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:50:12pm

re: #683 Moe Katz

Let's hope he has a lot of friends in Pennsylvania.

Bitter clinger gun-toting redneck religious racist coal miners for McCain!

718 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:50:16pm

re: #713 dentate

Surely you will spread the wealth?

'Fraid not. I'm a selfish sonovabitch.

719 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #711 Mich-again

I think its just a bit odd how the old world Catholic church is OK with evolution and all the empirical evidence for it but newer versions of it are stuck in denial.

Maybe that has to do with how you Yanks underestimate the wisdom of the Continent....

720 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:50:28pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

Ah yes, my apologies. I see how I stated that poorly. Blame the TylenolIII

721 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:50:54pm

re: #712 nightintheruts

I understand. Still I will always root for the Bears. Obama loses, Bears win = Chicago wins.

722 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:11pm

re: #676 Charles

For starters, the disastrously stupid idea of amending the Constitution to prevent gay marriage.

We have marriage, that is a religious institution, so the Constitution has already been crossed there. The correct answer is to take the notion of "marriage" out of law altogether, and just allow for contracts that define the sharing of property, and defining how and children that should happen along will be raised.

I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of people that feel like that's a good thing. It's the right thing, but it doesn't seem like it's made things better.

723 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:21pm

re: #541 fletch

If you can actually read, try reading this reaaaal slooooooow...Gov. Palin was cleared by a Democrat.

724 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:21pm

re: #717 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Bitter clinger gun-toting redneck religious racist coal miners for McCain!

Now those are issues voters!

725 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:38pm

re: #629 gmsc

A few good classic music videos that should keep the hope alive through tomorrow:

Faith
Gone 'Til November
Are You Gonna Go My Way
We're Not Gonna Take It
Whip It
True Faith
Right Now
November Rain
Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Freedom
Beat It

How about "Won't Get Fooled Again"?

726 legalpad  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:38pm

re: #676 Charles

For starters, the disastrously stupid idea of amending the Constitution to prevent gay marriage.

Stupid indeed. If they really want to win, they need to quit thinking about gays at all; and abortion. They could take all that political energy and push back harder in the media.

727 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:49pm

re: #717 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Bitter clinger gun-toting redneck religious racist coal miners for McCain!

Somehow I think Obama's going to pay for that comment....

728 kansas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:52pm

re: #710 DesertSage

You mean that exorcism doesn't cure cancer?

Look at it this way. You have cancer. You get an exorcism. Cancer is no longer a problem for you because you are dead.

729 calcajun  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:53pm

re: #624 Gus 802

I agree Charles. Even though Jindal's name has been thrown about, there are certain aspects of his agenda that would prove to be a liability in a national race.

Guys, two words; "red meat". That is a sop to the people who put him in Baton Rouge. What evidence is there that he is a true believer?

730 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:51:54pm

re: #676 Charles

For starters, the disastrously stupid idea of amending the Constitution to prevent gay marriage.


How is that 'religious'?

731 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:08pm

re: #711 Mich-again

I think its just a bit odd how the old world Catholic church is OK with evolution and all the empirical evidence for it but newer versions of it are stuck in denial.

The current pro-creationist/intelligent design movement is just that. A current movement.

732 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:24pm

I never do multipart posts and I never write poetry. Apologies to Poe and the rest of the lizards..........

733 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:30pm

re: #719 Moe Katz

You know by the newer versions, I meant some non-Catholic Christians. There is only one Universal church. Old world, new world, they don't mean a thing.

734 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:32pm

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
`'Tis some visitor,' I muttered, `tapping at my chamber door -
Only this, and nothing more.'

Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak November,
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow; - vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow - sorrow for the lost Al Gore -
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels named Al Gore -
Nameless here for evermore.

And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain
Thrilled me - filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before;
So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating
`'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door -
Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door; -
This it is, and nothing more,'


Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
`Sir,' said I, `or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;
But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you' - here I opened wide the door; -
Darkness there, and nothing more.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before
But the silence was unbroken, and the darkness gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, `Al Gore!'
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, `Al Gore!'
Merely this and nothing more.

Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
`Surely,' said I, `surely that is something at my window lattice;
Let me see then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore -
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; -
'Tis the wind and nothing more!'

(cont)

735 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:36pm

re: #723 NY Nana

If you can actually read, try reading this reaaaal slooooooow...Gov. Palin was cleared by a Democrat.

Had to have been a Rove plant....
Rove you magnificent bastard!

736 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:42pm

Then this Marxist bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
`Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore -
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Stalinist shore!'
Quoth the Marxist, `Tax them more.'

Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly,
Though its answer little meaning - little relevancy bore;
For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being
Ever yet was blessed with seeing Marxist above his chamber door -
Bird or beast above the sculptured bust above his chamber door,
With such name as `Tax-them-more.'

But the Marxist, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only,
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing further then he uttered - not a feather then he fluttered -
Till I scarcely more than muttered `Other friends have taxed before -
On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have taxed before.'
Then the Marxist said, `Tax them more.'

Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken,
`Doubtless,' said I, `what it utters is its only stock and store,
Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore -
Till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore
Of "tax them-Tax them more."'

737 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:42pm

re: #725 Kosh's Shadow

How about "Won't Get Fooled Again"?

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH

/kay...seriously heading out now.

738 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:43pm

re: #690 nightintheruts

oh, since I couldn't get on last night...

HOW BOUT THEM TITANS! 8 AND O BABY!

THEY OWE ME $10 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE STUPID LUXURY BOXES IN THE ASTRODOME THEY BLACKMAILED HARRIS COUNTY FOR!

739 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:49pm

But the Marxist still beguiling all my sad soul into smiling,
Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird and bust and door;
Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking
Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore -
What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore
Meant in croaking `Tax them more.'

This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing
To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamp-light gloated o'er,
But whose velvet violet lining with the lamp-light gloating o'er,
She shall press, ah, tax them more!

Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer
Swung by Seraphim whose foot-falls tinkled on the tufted floor.
`Wretch,' I cried, `thy God hath lent thee - by these angels he has sent thee
Respite - respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Al gore!
Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe, and forget this lost Al Gore!'
Quoth the Marxist, `Tax them more."

740 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:52:56pm

`Prophet!' said I, `thing of evil! - prophet still, if Marxist or devil! -
Whether tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore,
Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted -
On this home by horror haunted - tell me truly, I implore -
Is there - is there warming for carbon? - tell me - tell me, I implore!'
Quoth the Marxist, `Tax them more.'

`Prophet!' said I, `thing of evil! - prophet still, if Marxist or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us - by that God we both adore -
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels named Al Gore -
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden, whom the angels named Al Gore?'
Quoth the Marxist, `Tax them more.'

741 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:03pm

`Be that word our sign of parting, Marxist or fiend!' I shrieked upstarting -
`Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Stalinist shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!'
Quoth the Marxist, `Tax them more.'

And the marxist, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Stalin just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be taxed - nevermore!

742 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:06pm

re: #700 esch

It does not hurt to believe that you are going to get well. An optimistic outlook is necessary for maintaining optimal health. That is not just my opinion, there is a lot of evidence for it as well. You have got to believe you have a reason to get out of bed.

Some may even define that attitude as prayer, the attitude that you are loved and deserving of wellness. It helps a lot.

When you don't have it, get your affairs in order.

743 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:19pm

re: #708 pingjockey

I don't think the Marriage amendment has hurt the Republicans very much. The kind of person who would vote with that as a key point of view don't vote for the Republican no matter what they do.

After all, both John Kerry and Barack Obama are on the record as opposing gay marrige. Being opposed to gay marriage is fairly mainstream at this time.

744 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:22pm

re: #720 esch

No- my apologies, because you're right. That's crazy.

745 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:34pm

re: #727 Moe Katz

What is the Hebrew meaning of putz? I left LGF for Monday Night Football.

746 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:40pm

re: #593 Cognito

Here's the deal: There are reasons the country's founders were hesitant to place rules on the press. They remembered the sting of a kingship's influence on the press.

If someone starts arguing for restrictions imposed on the press -- a less free press -- he's making a myopic argument. Look at the long term.

Again, you sidestep my argument! Why has the press ignored Obama's history, yet has plastered all of Sarah Palin's history (including rumors NOT RETRACTED) on their pages for all to read?

You can ignore the MSM's bias in favor of Obama all you want, but I will not.

I am not in favor of placing any legislative restrictions on the press, but perhaps the people can drive their asses out of business because we're tired of reading only one side of the issue!

And oh, hey! Look! The NYT is now at junk bond ratings, and CBS has announced a massive loss lately. Not to mention the LA Times lay-offs.

How can they keep readers if they continually report one side of the news? They can't, and it's showing in their earnings.

No restrictions should be placed on the press, other than the ultimate one - the declination of the public to purchase their paper or view their news program.

Looks like they're not doing so well in that regard lately. Other than Fox News.

747 Mark1957  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:43pm

#693,

He won't be able to vote "present"...wonder how he'll do with that?

His Majesty will do four things:

1. He will "ruminate."

2. He will "temporize."

3. He will "appoint a blue-ribbon commission to study the situation further."

and, if all else fails...

4. He will gaze heroically into the distance and say, "Did you know I was a community organizer?"

748 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:53:51pm

re: #677 Adrenalyn

Perhaps someone has said this already but LGF is likely running slowly due to the lack of server capacity on Charles' end. He's been talking with the host about upgrading but it seems to be a rather lengthy struggle.

749 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:54:05pm

re: #729 calcajun

To be honest. I don't know. I'm going with a gut feeling on this. Is he a "true believer" is hard to say considering that he is still a politician after all.

I'm not a one issue citizen so I personally am willing to compromise on my on beliefs since you can never find an everyman.

750 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:54:54pm

re: #748 bosforus

Perhaps someone has said this already but LGF is likely running slowly due to the lack of server capacity on Charles' end. He's been talking with the host about upgrading but it seems to be a rather lengthy struggle.

Obviously Charles needs to send Stinky to negotiate.

751 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:55:03pm

re: #741 Killgore Trout

I think that Raven is going to go hoarse in the coming years....squawking "TAX THEM MORE" over and over and over and over

752 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:55:05pm

re: #745 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is the Hebrew meaning of putz?

It's kinda like "shmuck".

753 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:55:16pm

re: #725 Kosh's Shadow

How about "Won't Get Fooled Again"?


"Horatio, they're talking politics."

*Caine slowly puts his sunglasses on*

"Frank... I'm talking murder."

754 bcgirl  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:55:23pm

ALL DAY? i know you have a girlfriend but will you be MY boyfriend tooooooooooo ;-)
re: #666 SteveC

I'm gonna be there ready to vote at 7 when the doors open. I'll come home and play "put the ballot in the box" with my girlfriend. I'll probably be late, I'm expecting it to take all day to *ahem* vote.

755 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:55:38pm

re: #734 Killgore Trout

A bit off the subject. but when I met the woman that later would be my wife, I said I wasn't much for poetry, but I liked Poe. So I read "The Raven" to her. Until I got to the raven saying "Nevermore", which I said with a bird squawk.
She cracked up laughing.
(This all happening in Providence, RI, home of H. P. Lovecraft)

756 Wendya  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:56:00pm

re: #534 Charles

Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee a host of other GOP rising stars are the exact opposite; they're aggressively pursuing this crap.

There is a certain (small) percentage of social conservatives who would accept huge tax hikes and wealth redistribution if they thought their candidate would unilaterally ban abortion, institute school led prayer and outlaw the teaching of evolution. They would accept a dictator just as fast as the leftists would in order to forward their agenda. It's unfortunate that any politician would pander to them.

757 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:56:10pm

re: #750 JCM

Obviously Charles needs to send Stinky to negotiate.

There ain't much to negotiate when a 2 foot plumber's wrench walks through your door.

758 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:56:15pm

re: #752 DesertSage

It's kinda like "shmuck".

So it's Chuck Schumer. I already knew that!

759 bombay311  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:56:53pm

re: #725 Kosh's Shadow

Dont foget
"Die With Your Boots On"

760 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:56:58pm

re: #742 rawmuse

Of course. I can attest personally that a positive outlook is absolutely crucial to regaining and maintaining health. But that has to work hand in hand with modern medicine.

For example, my grandfather came down with IIRC stage II lung cancer, and stopped doing chemo to try prayer. Long story short, cancer moved to the brain, metastasized. He'll be dead 2 years this Christmas.

761 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:04pm

re: #700 esch

I said shadings.

IMHO, believing exorcism cures cancer is delusional and dangerous. Show me some peer-reviewed clinical evidence, thanks. Believe what you want, but when you're sick, go SEE A DOCTOR. That's what they're for.

Such evidence would most likely be a false positive. This is the way it is for any absurd theory inconsistent with firmly established knowledge, i.e., that has a very low prior probability of being true.

762 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:08pm

re: #758 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I believe Schumer is both a Putz and a Shmuck

763 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:12pm

re: #730 newsjunkie_ky

How is that 'religious'?

How is it not?

764 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:13pm

re: #748 bosforus

Perhaps someone has said this already but LGF is likely running slowly due to the lack of server capacity on Charles' end. He's been talking with the host about upgrading but it seems to be a rather lengthy struggle.

I've seen a hamster ambulance pulled up to the secret entrance. I think we had a medical crisis and we're at least one hamster short.

/get well little buddy!

765 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:22pm

748 bosforus

knew that he is having i-o problems
that is actually why I am trying FF3
per his suggetion posted a while back
or someone's......

but once I figure out how to suppress websites
I'll be happier

I saw some mention of using the "hosts" file in
windowssystem32drivers
but it had no effect

still trying to find the trick....
and I see there are plugins to do that
I'd rather stay native if possible

766 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:32pm

re: #676 Charles

For starters, the disastrously stupid idea of amending the Constitution to prevent gay marriage.

I forgot about that one. There's also Proposition 8 in CA.

767 Quad Mocha Matti  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:43pm

Here's a little ditty to buoy everyone's spirits...

"The Ballad of Sarah Palin"

I think Rusty Humphries also did something similar, but I Heard David Boze's rendition first.

768 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:43pm

re: #733 Mich-again

You know by the newer versions, I meant some non-Catholic Christians. There is only one Universal church. Old world, new world, they don't mean a thing.

Well, Galileo had a bit of a rough time with the Inquisition. Today, the Catholic church seems more willing to compromise than the fundamentalist Protestants. But I'm not so sure it has to do with a Europe-America dichotomy. In my mind it's more a Protestant-Catholic thing.

769 WestSea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:57:53pm

Another one that can be added to the list of conservatives that believe that creationism should be taught alongside evolution is Sara Palin. I'm a Science teacher and although I'll vote McCain/Palin this time, she better let that one go or she'll not make it at the national level.

770 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:58:02pm

re: #755 Kosh's Shadow

A bit off the subject. but when I met the woman that later would be my wife, I said I wasn't much for poetry, but I liked Poe. So I read "The Raven" to her. Until I got to the raven saying "Nevermore", which I said with a bird squawk.
She cracked up laughing.
(This all happening in Providence, RI, home of H. P. Lovecraft)

Walken's reading of the Raven is wonderful and available on you tube

771 OldLineTexan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:58:04pm

re: #733 Mich-again

You know by the newer versions, I meant some non-Catholic Christians. There is only one Universal church. Old world, new world, they don't mean a thing.

Liberation theology.

Radical priests in the jungles of South America.

Whatever.

772 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:58:18pm

Seems like a good place for some Poe and I bid you Lizards an early good morrow. If you're eligible...VOTE like our republic depends on it.

Eldorado

Gaily bedight,
A gallant knight,
In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long,
Singing a song,
In search of Eldorado.

But he grew old-
This knight so bold-
And o'er his heart a shadow
Fell as he found
No spot of ground
That looked like Eldorado.

And, as his strength
Failed him at length,
He met a pilgrim shadow-
"Shadow," said he,
"Where can it be-
This land of Eldorado?"

"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon,
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
The shade replied-
"If you seek for Eldorado!"

773 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:04pm

re: #745 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is the Hebrew meaning of putz? I left LGF for Monday Night Football.

Here it is, complete with sound clip for pronunciation:

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

774 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:09pm
775 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:09pm

re: #760 esch

Yes, I am a big fan of modern medical practices, and am certainly here to type this because of them.

You need both prongs of the fork.

776 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:10pm

re: #753 SteveC

"Horatio, they're talking politics."

*Caine slowly puts his sunglasses on*

"Frank... I'm talking murder."

7 pure minutes of David Caruso putting on his sunglasses

777 jaunte  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:11pm

re: #734 Killgore Trout

"For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels named Al Gore -
Nameless here for evermore."

Deathless lines!

778 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:19pm

769 westsea


come again ?

779 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:23pm

voting starting in a minute in NH you can see it at

cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream4

780 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:25pm

I don't believe the Constitution even mentions marriage. So if the 10th amendment means anything the power to regulate it should be left with the states. Now, does the issue of Gay Marriage rise to the level of importance that we need an amendment to the Constitution to Nationalize the regulation of Marriages? Fer crying out loud no. Let every State decide for themselves.

781 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:27pm

re: #730 newsjunkie_ky

How is that 'religious'?

Marriage is a religious concept. Should it be defined by any level of government? Probably not.

782 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 8:59:53pm

re: #746 Intrepid

I am not in favor of placing any legislative restrictions on the press, but perhaps the people can drive their asses out of business because we're tired of reading only one side of the issue!

Indeed. We can have freedom of the press, but we also have freedom of the consumer to consume its output - or not.

783 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:01pm

Well good evening all y'all - please excuse my tardiness but I fell asleep in my chair watching TV tonight! NO other excuse, just couldn't stay awake.

Mom and I are voting tomorrow - hopefully around 10:45 - LGFer Knitwit has been kind enough to offer to drive us to our polling place where they have curbside voting - apparently you go in, tell 'em you or someone you're with is unable to stand for any length of time and then go wait in your car and they come and get you when it's your turn!
Not quite as good as a drive-in voting booth, but it'll do (Mom turns 84 the end of this month and literally can't stand for more than about 10 minutes and with all the med's I'm taking I'm not good for much more than that!).

So what have I missed tonight?

784 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:14pm

re: #780 Mich-again

I don't believe the Constitution even mentions marriage. So if the 10th amendment means anything the power to regulate it should be left with the states. Now, does the issue of Gay Marriage rise to the level of importance that we need an amendment to the Constitution to Nationalize the regulation of Marriages? Fer crying out loud no. Let every State decide for themselves.

Exactly.

785 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #721 Dark_Falcon

I understand. Still I will always root for the Bears. Obama loses, Bears win = Chicago wins.

I'll give up that game to see Obama lose.
The Bears aren't in our division = )

786 laZardo  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:35pm

re: #783 realwest

Sent you an e-mail. (: Gotta head out now, hope to get your reply.

787 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:37pm

re: #762 Desert Dog

I believe Schumer is both a Putz and a Shmuck

Of course, my father always called me a Smendrick.

788 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #735 JCM

Had to have been a Rove plant....
Rove you magnificent bastard!

Why didn't I think of that?!?!?!

/Is this him?

Wow! I just saw that great McCain commercial re Wright, on the local NBC channel this time, no less...I wish they had put that on TV a month or more ago.

789 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:05pm

evening realwest

you missed a drive-by trolling by "fletch"

and another possible

790 WestSea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:13pm

re: #766 Steffan

Amending state constitutions should be up to the people of the state, but to amend the federal constitution to outlaw gay marriage is not going to win Palin any votes either. She should be smarter than that.

791 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:19pm

re: #729 calcajun

Guys, two words; "red meat". That is a sop to the people who put him in Baton Rouge. What evidence is there that he is a true believer?

For starters, Jindal's own words:

[Link: www.newoxfordreview.org...]

792 ErislDysnomia  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:39pm

re: #788 NY Nana

Why didn't I think of that?!?!?!

/Is this him?

Wow! I just saw that great McCain commercial re Wright, on the local NBC channel this time, no less...I wish they had put that on TV a month or more ago.

Is it on YouTube?

793 Killian Bundy  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:47pm

re: #781 cliffster

Marriage is a religious concept. Should it be defined by any level of government? Probably not.

/it's also a legal concept with lots of legal implications

794 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:01:59pm

re: #695 newsjunkie_ky

Just noticed that The Zero, on o'reilly, just called ayers, BILL. Not Ayers but BILL, it just rolled off his tongue so easily like he says it every day.
The Zero thinks by saying bill is someone who doesn't advise him 'regularly' means ayers does advise him.

I really hope someone can tape Brit Hume's evening report rerun tonight. Major Garrett reported Obama commented on his rising poll numbers as, "You don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing." I heard it this afternoon, plain as day.

That's the Bob Dylan line from which the Weather Underground took its name. What is Obama signaling?

I'm off to the rack.

795 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:02:18pm

Irrelevant trivia: The "capital" in "capital punishment" comes from the latin word for "head" - Caput!

796 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:02:22pm

re: #783 realwest

Well good evening all y'all - please excuse my tardiness but I fell asleep in my chair watching TV tonight! NO other excuse, just couldn't stay awake.

Mom and I are voting tomorrow - hopefully around 10:45 - LGFer Knitwit has been kind enough to offer to drive us to our polling place where they have curbside voting - apparently you go in, tell 'em you or someone you're with is unable to stand for any length of time and then go wait in your car and they come and get you when it's your turn!
Not quite as good as a drive-in voting booth, but it'll do (Mom turns 84 the end of this month and literally can't stand for more than about 10 minutes and with all the med's I'm taking I'm not good for much more than that!).

So what have I missed tonight?

Evening RW! Ready to do your duty, once again!

Vote early, vote often!
/Al Capone

797 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:02:39pm

OMG
Kos is calling it 390 Obama and 148 McCain.

What a putz

798 Wendya  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:02:53pm

re: #769 WestSea

Another one that can be added to the list of conservatives that believe that creationism should be taught alongside evolution is Sara Palin. I'm a Science teacher and although I'll vote McCain/Palin this time, she better let that one go or she'll not make it at the national level.

I do not care if a politician personally thinks it would be a good idea as long as they do not abuse their office in order to force the populace to comply with their beliefs. I have not seen any indication that Gov Palin used the office of Governor to mandate the teaching of creationism in Alaska schools.

799 captwfcall  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:02pm

I just want to state for the record that I welcome my new leader, Lord Obama. I have always supported him. I look forward to helping him search out and annihilate all opposition.

(there I said it, now I'm covered for the future when the national citizen force starts tracking down those who voted for McCain)

800 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:06pm

re: #788 NY Nana

Was it the one from the National Repubican Trust? They ran them all evening last night on CBS!

801 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:08pm

re: #775 rawmuse

I've studied a lot of Eastern Mysticism, and one thing that sets the real practioner apart from a poser is that the Mystic will say "reiki may help with your ailment, but you should also keep working with your Dr and Western Medical treatment".

802 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:32pm

re: #791 Charles

For starters, Jindal's own words:

[Link: www.newoxfordreview.org...]

It's too bad, because otherwise, he's a good guy and a good governor. He needs to lay off of this.

803 DesertSage  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:33pm

re: #797 Typicalwhitey

OMG
Kos is calling it 390 Obama and 148 McCain.

What a putz

And a shmuck!

804 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:03:58pm

re: #738 OldLineTexan

THEY OWE ME $10 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE STUPID LUXURY BOXES IN THE ASTRODOME THEY BLACKMAILED HARRIS COUNTY FOR!


sorry...redistribution of wealth in play there.

805 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:12pm

re: #797 Typicalwhitey

OMG
Kos is calling it 390 Obama and 148 McCain.

What a putz

Delusional.

806 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:13pm

Hi, realwest!

807 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:16pm

Our country is great because uncle sam stays out of the way, and allows the citizens to make it great. Obama's stance is the polar opposite to this idea. Regardless of the outcome tomorrow, I think the biggest challenge is to get into the workings of information dissemination (The Media), and stop the non-stop propaganda that says that self-reliance is a bad thing. And stop this same propaganda from being spread in our schools, too.

808 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:30pm

re: #803 DesertSage

And a shmuck!

LOL

809 gmsc  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:36pm

re: #797 Typicalwhitey

OMG
Kos is calling it 390 Obama and 148 McCain.

What a putz

Of course, Kos will call out their own lawyers if the count is anything BUT that count (Regardless of whether it's more or less for either candidate).

810 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:37pm

re: #779 JacksonTn

voting starting in a minute in NH you can see it at

cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream =stream4

They start voting at midnight?

811 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:58pm

re: #793 Killian Bundy

And biological -- not limited to procreation. You know how they say married men live longer.

There's also a sociological component of having a life mate.

/Not that I'd no being single with my laundry on the floor.

812 dentate  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:58pm

re: #791 Charles

For starters, Jindal's own words:

[Link: www.newoxfordreview.org...]

And this guy was accepted by Harvard Medical School. Glad he chose a different path. I can just imagine him in the operating room.

813 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:04:59pm

re: #794 Sol Roth

I'll Tivo it.

814 unclassifiable  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:06pm

re: #784 Sharmuta

You have given me hope. I'll see if I can get back into the fight.

Good night lizards and take care of one another.

/ 11/5/08 visions of exploding moonbat heads dancing in my head

815 yesandno  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:23pm

re: #641 MandyManners

How can you find it out?

Not sure...maybe he has a lot of band-aids on his fingers?

816 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:28pm

re: #802 Ward Cleaver

I

t's too bad, because otherwise, he's a good guy and a good governor. He needs to lay off of this.

Too late, he's toast. You can run Palin again in 2012 and watch what happens. Conservatives are a long ways away from discovering the problem. They'll figure it out eventually.

817 Gus 802  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:33pm

Oops. Not that I'd know. K-n-o-w.

818 Opilio  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:46pm

re: #745 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is the Hebrew meaning of putz? I left LGF for Monday Night Football.

Google it

819 nightintheruts  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:47pm

re: #801 Iron Fist

I've studied a lot of Eastern Mysticism, and one thing that sets the real practioner apart from a poser is that the Mystic will say "reiki may help with your ailment, but you should also keep working with your Dr and Western Medical treatment".


The apostle Luke was a physician...

go figure...

820 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #781 cliffster

Marriage is a religious concept. Should it be defined by any level of government? Probably not.

Marriage is also a social construct. Religion aside society through time and around the world have found that societies function better with marriage held to a different, higher standard than other interpersonal relationships. Marriage is not purely a religious concept.

821 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:06:00pm

re: #796 JCM Hey JCM -

"Vote early, vote often!
Or Else"
/Al Capone

822 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:06:54pm

re: #820 JCM

Marriage is also a social construct. Religion aside society through time and around the world have found that societies function better with marriage held to a different, higher standard than other interpersonal relationships. Marriage is not purely a religious concept.

So, does that hold true if people are married to others of the same sex? Or, married to more than one person?

823 NY Nana  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:06:55pm

re: #792 ErislDysnomia

Is it on YouTube?

I don't know....I will try to find it if it is....BRB.

824 yma o hyd  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:07:06pm

Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizards!

The day has arrived - wishing you all the best of luck, and the deserved rewards for all your hard work!

McCain/Palin to win - just heard that he's campaigning all through the day, what a hero!

825 esch  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:07:18pm

re: #775 rawmuse

Yes, I am a big fan of modern medical practices, and am certainly here to type this because of them.

You need both prongs of the fork.

Hear that. I almost went out like poor Heather.

826 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:07:28pm

re: #784 Sharmuta

Exactly.

The problem is, couples who marry in California then move somewhere else, then sue to get their marriages recognized. So then it becomes federal.

827 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:07:39pm

re: #799 captwfcall
Yeah, but you left yourself uncovered for those of us who are voting for McCain when McCain wins!
Just kidding.............sort a...........!
;')

828 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:08:15pm

re: #797 Typicalwhitey

OMG
Kos is calling it 390 Obama and 148 McCain.

What a putz

He has pulled so much out of his ass that he can't have anything else up there! So who's ass did he get that figure from?

829 WestSea  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:08:21pm

re: #798 Wendya

I hope you're right about that one. Calling for a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage is BS though. Don't get me wrong, I like her in many ways, and I'm rooting for her. But, I don't think conservatives need to go there on the social issues. Mostly, because I want to see them have the power to run a fiscally conservative government.

830 JacksonTn  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:08:27pm

re: #810 bosforus

They start voting at midnight?

Yeah they voted and now they counting ... they sent everyone out of the room while they count and the screen is blank right now ...

831 blackpajamas  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:08:28pm

Lizards, PUMAs, and Trolls, oh my!

I would like to thank the PUMAs for voting for John McCain and Sarah Palin:

pumapac.org
The Hillary Blogosphere

Even if there are only 18 million of you, I pledge that if you vote for the McCain/Palin ticket this election, and the McCain/Palin ticket wins, then I will never say anything bad about Hillary Clinton ever again (Bill's a different story).

832 Charles  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:08:41pm

re: #769 WestSea

Another one that can be added to the list of conservatives that believe that creationism should be taught alongside evolution is Sara Palin. I'm a Science teacher and although I'll vote McCain/Palin this time, she better let that one go or she'll not make it at the national level.

I don't like Sarah Palin's creationist beliefs, but the fact is that she has very explicitly stated that she DOES NOT want it taught alongside evolution. Twice. Once in an interview with an Alaskan newspaper, and again in her interview with Katie Couric.

834 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:08pm

re: #828 SteveC

He has pulled so much out of his ass that he can't have anything else up there! So who's ass did he get that figure from?

Don't ask and don't tell

835 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:14pm

re: #781 cliffster

Marriage is a religious concept. Should it be defined by any level of government? Probably not.

Hmm. I'm not so sure. There are a zillion ways some sick person could abuse an "anything goes" standard.

836 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:16pm

re: #803 DesertSage
Hey Sage and Hey TypicalWhitey - WTH are you doing even looking at what Kos predicts for this election?!?
I was pretty sure each of you knew better!

837 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:28pm

re: #695 newsjunkie_ky

Just noticed that The Zero, on o'reilly, just called ayers, BILL. Not Ayers but BILL, it just rolled off his tongue so easily like he says it every day.
The Zero thinks by saying bill is someone who doesn't advise him 'regularly' means ayers does advise him.

In Feb, BHO said of Ayers that he's "not somebody I exchange ideas from, on a regular basis..."

Not with. From.

838 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:32pm

re: #814 unclassifiable

I'm glad I could do so- that means a lot to me.

839 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:43pm

Good night all.....VOTE FOR MCCAIN TOMORROW!

840 Steffan  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:09:48pm

re: #781 cliffster

Marriage is a religious concept. Should it be defined by any level of government? Probably not.

To be specific, marriage is a millennia-old religious concept that was originally conceived to propagate the species (actually, to propagate and increase the congregation, hence the Catholic problem with birth control).

I have no problem with domestic partnerships. In fact, I think domestic partnerships should have Federal recognition, so that surviving partners can collect Social Security benefits (they can't at this time).

I have problems with forcing new definitions onto religious practices.

841 realwest  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:10:08pm

re: #806 SteveC
Hi SteveC - how are ya tonight?

842 JCM  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:10:11pm

re: #822 cliffster

So, does that hold true if people are married to others of the same sex? Or, married to more than one person?

Polygamy is more widespread. Same sex marriage not so, it's not advantageous to a society to encourage that, no families no growth. Some societies are more tolerant of homosexality, but few of any that I'm aware of recognize such a union.

843 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:10:25pm

re: #835 Mich-again

Think Mohammedans and little girls. no, completely hands off is a bad idea.

844 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:10:25pm

re: #828 SteveC

He has pulled so much out of his ass that he can't have anything else up there! So who's ass did he get that figure from?


His own. Here is his quote:

This year we've got our reader contest, with the winner getting an Apple MacBook. Many others will best me and the rest of the Daily Kos editors, offering invaluable bragging rights. But I'm also going to do my own expanded predictions because there's nothing like going out on a limb. No guts, no glory, right? So let's see what I pull out of my you-know-where:

The idiot is calling FLA, Mo, NC, VA, Penn, IN all for Obama.
He is clueless

845 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:10:45pm

re: #734 Killgore Trout

My favorite poem. Updings for you.

846 captwfcall  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:11:17pm

re: #827 realwest

Yeah, but you left yourself uncovered for those of us who are voting for McCain when McCain wins!
Just kidding.............sort a...........!
;')

well, I know that if McCain wins I won't have to worry about being hunted down. so I'm covered either way :)

847 bosforus  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:11:18pm

re: #830 JacksonTn

Yeah they voted and now they counting ... they sent everyone out of the room while they count and the screen is blank right now ...

I'm confused. "they sent everyone out of the room..."? Who exactly was voting? The entire state of NH was in one room? (obviously not, just letting you in on the depths of my confusion)

848 SteveC  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:11:19pm

re: #841 realwest

Hi SteveC - how are ya tonight?

Great! Just about to sack out for the night; good to see ya!

849 cliffster  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:11:24pm

re: #835 Mich-again

Hmm. I'm not so sure. There are a zillion ways some sick person could abuse an "anything goes" standard.

That's why people want to define marriage as between a man and a woman. And that is clearly not ok either. So, now you're back to taking the notion of marriage out of the books. And that sucks too.

850 Pepper  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:11:30pm

re: #784 Sharmuta

Exactly.

Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, commonly known as the Full Faith and Credit Clause prevents your arguments from having validity. It ties the States together on this issue. Lending credence to the Federal issue.
Cannot speak to one point without the other.

Furthermore, marriage benefits the state/federal gov't at another non-spiritual level which it has for many untold years. The "state " has a vested interest in it as well as the opposite. Too smart by half on this argument, or too provincial.

851 Infidel_One  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:12:00pm

A little something to lift the spirits.
I admit to knowing nothing about this person...but I like what he is predicting

The McCain-Palin Landslide ..MarstonChronicles

852 Wendya  Mon, Nov 3, 2008 9:12:29pm

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