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It looks like every sentient being with an Internet connection in the known universe is trying to load LGF this morning. Here’s an open thread while we try to get things under control…

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1 Macker  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:13:03am

Dang, It's a miracle I got through. Well I'm going to work now, I've got better things to do than get uptight about Obama's victory. Oh, it's not that I will be heaping praise. Just that I've got work to do.

As do all of us.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:15:30am

LGF is the place to be.

3 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:16:47am

amazingly quite place, must have been the election results huh?

4 Kerr Avon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:17:27am

I have a bad cold and am loaded with Dayquil so I'm not sure I pass the 'sentient' test. But I still think my head is clearer than the 18-29 demographic that overwhelmingly went for Obama.

5 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:17:41am

I went back to be hoping that I'd get up with a better POV. I didn't.

6 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:18:01am

I've turned the flag at the end of my driveway upside down, it will fly that way until 2010 at least. The nation is truly in distress.

7 blutonazi98  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:18:40am

It looks like every sentient being with an Internet connection in the known universe is trying to load LGF this morning.

that would be me!

8 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:19:31am

how long has lgf been disfunctional?

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:19:39am

We need a laugh this morning...
Yvonne Ridley 'Driven Out Of Job By Sexist Muslim Bosses'

High-profile Muslim convert Yvonne Ridley was driven out of her presenter job on an Islamic TV station by "sexist" male bosses, a tribunal has heard.

The former Fleet Street and Al-Jazeera reporter claimed a campaign of bullying and smears from Islam Channel chiefs was more stressful than when she was kidnapped by murderous Taliban fanatics in Afghanistan.

Ms Ridley, a member of George Galloway's Respect party who styles herself 'Sister Yvonne' after very publicly converting to Islam, is suing the channel for sex and religious discrimination and constructive dismissal after her current affairs show was axed last year.

She told a London tribunal relations with channel boss Mohammed Ali - who she claimed thought gay people should be "thrown off tall buildings" - got so bad he deliberately set out to trash her reputation by claiming he had seen her kissing and shaking hands with men.


Heh.

10 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:20:39am

Hey Charles - after trying to get into LGF for 3 hours I now find that I have no time left this morning.
Just wanted to thank you for your heroic efforts on LGF during Election Day and Election night.
Thanks.

11 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:04am

Chuck Schumer (D-NY), in his promotion of the Fairness Doctrine, is equating free speech with pornography. Both must be limited, obviously.

12 Zippy_Slug  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:05am

Obama as president is proof that enough money and corruption can indeed buy an election...

13 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:06am

Tremors subsiding!
*gripping keyboard and mouse*
WHEW!

14 Bob Dillon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:43am

re: #2 Sharmuta

LGF is the place to be.

For Truth, Justice and the American way - no matter who is running the show in D.C.

Good morning ... Steven Den Beste wrote a good one - posted topside.

Not the end of the world

15 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:49am

Wow, I thought the hamsters had finally died of exhaustion.

Well lizards, it's not good but it's not the end of the world. Let's be the loyal opposition and not become like the Kos Kidz.

16 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:00am

I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked!

Why you might ask?

Well, on Mon 3 Nov 2008, I was convinced that Barry Hussein was the post-racial candidate, that the election had nothing to do with race or skin colour and, honestly, after two years of hearing the mantra, I Believed!

Spin (and I mean spin) forward to 5 Nov 2008

Imagine my surprise when, Barry Hussein is elected and, it turns out to have been all about race and skin colour - at least that's what I read, hear and see everywhere.

A miracle I tell ya, a miracle.

God Bless America

17 Kincsem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:21am

I've been trying to get on for hours!

I'm trying to feel not so badly today by thinking of it as the First Day of Resistance against the hive-minders.

18 Godefroi  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:50am
It looks like every sentient being with an Internet connection in the known universe is trying to load LGF this morning.

Including me...now that the whiskey's worn off.

Glad I can FINALLY connect. Thanks for fixing whatever it was you fixed.

19 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:54am

Good morning, all!

The results of the vote were not what I wanted.

Obama is our president-elect, and we must accept that, even if we cannot celebrate it.

My job now: Support those things I can, and be in loyal opposition to those things I do not support or agree with.

The powers of the office of the presidency are great, but also they are limited. Obama is neither a king nor a dictator.

This country is nothing if not flexible. We have an interesting 4 years ahead of us.

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:57am

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

21 collegeguy85  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:59am

After I promised Cuban cigars if McCain won, the fact that they are still sitting in my humidor is one of two bright spots today.

The second is that the dems don't have fillibuster proof control of the entire fed gov.

22 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:23:16am

re: #10 realwest

Second that. Charles is the man, Stinky is the fictional entity, and the hamsters are, uh, the rodents. That didn't come out right, but you know what I mean. (And hit Charles's tip jar!)

23 varmint  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:23:45am

Plan A was to win. Not everyone was for Plan A.
For months I would get in these long, drawn-out arguments over McCain. Right wing friends called him a squish moderate. Said that it was best to let him lose. Let the Democrats take the blame for the next four years, and rebuild the party. I saw a problem with this plan. Obama is a dangerous imbecile, and America does not need a dangerous imbecile right now. What will be left of the country to recover in 2012?

But it looks like we really no longer have much choice. Plan B is a go. I've begun a list of people who need to be removed from anything like a decision making position in the conservative movement. John McCain, anyone who worked for McCain, Romney, Elizabeth Dole, Michael Medved, Peggy Noonan, anyone named Bush. A good indicator would be anyone who tries to blame Palin. The ist will grow, I'm sure.

Your text to link...

24 slokat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:05am

O as POTUS:

Historical achievement - may damp race hysteria
Fully franchises black Americans - no more excuses.

Plus,
As far as I can tell, he's been ineffective at every job/position he's held - so why would we expect him to accomplish anything now?

And,
Last time dems had this much control it devolved into special interest group warfare.

25 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:25am

# 9 KT

Old news KT, saw this many weeks (possibly a month plus) ago.

26 Fast Eddie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:25am

That's a relief. When I couldn't get in earlier, I was afraid that LGF had been shut down by the Obama Fairness Gestapo.

27 bryantms  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:56am

Wow, Obama got elected and everything's alright today.

/sarc

That's the way things work. The balance of power swings back and forth. As hard as these next 4+ years are going to be, the Republicans certainly deserve it.

28 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:25:44am

Huh

Now Online: 3,610
Logged in: 219

Seems like most folks have stopped trying to get on LGF - hell we could handle 3,600 on line easily even before Charles made his super changes.
Hey Charles, yesterday we had OVER 215,000 page views and more than 160,000 visits! Is that an LGF record?!

29 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:26:03am

Over 10,000 comments yesterday. Is that a record?

30 dentate  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:26:10am

This morning I received for the first time ever in my life an antisemitic message, consisting of an email linking to a site claiming Rahm Emanuel is a Zionist terrorist. The person sending this to me is a distant acquaintance who may not have actually recalled the fact that I am Jewish, which in some ways makes this even more disturbing. What irony, that someone should promote fears of Zionist conspriacy from the B. Hussein Obama administration. I can't tell whether this site comes from the loony left or the loony right, but it was unsettling to say the least. I thought we had enough to worry about. The link is here, but decide for yourself if you want traffic to go to that site.

[Link: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...]

31 laZardo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:26:32am

Wow. It's been a night.

Maybe it's because I'm in Stage 4 of the Acceptance line...but I am very seriously considering moving to the Daily Kos. I'm sick of always being on a sinking ship.

/needs sense, pronto

32 taejohndo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:09am

Already had one person in the office today point out the O is not African American, but is rather, bi-racial. I didn't want to get involved so I left without comment. I wasn't sure of the person's politics or where they planned on going with it -- but I knew it was way too early for me to discuss it.

33 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #20 Charles

I think it was a reaction to 0bama and not your classy handling of the situation.

34 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:49am

Folks, I'm holding my head high and I'm carrying on with life. The Democrats have won and maybe they deserve it. America has spoken and there is no time for sour grapes. I am a conservative through and through but I will support Obama as long as I do not have to compromise on my principles. He will soon be my commander in chief and as such, I will have to follow all lawful orders that he gives. I think the next few years are going to be tough and the certainly won't be boring.

With that being said, I don't want to ever hear again that America is a racist nation. I don't want to hear anyone say they need a handout to get ahead. There is no longer an excuse for not succeeding except your own laziness. In 40 years, this country has come from the civil rights movement and elected a black president. OK liberals, you got what you wanted. GW will be out in January so I don't want to hear you blame Bush anymore. It's your country now, let's see what you can do.

I will not act like a leftist and get mad. Congratulations to Senator Obama. I hope you prove me wrong and do an excellent job.

35 laZardo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:50am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

She told a London tribunal relations with channel boss Mohammed Ali - who she claimed thought gay people should be "thrown off tall buildings" - got so bad he deliberately set out to trash her reputation by claiming he had seen her kissing and shaking hands with men.

"She flaps her headscarf like a butterfly, and gives it up like a queen bee!" Ali was quoted as saying.

/ q:

36 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:51am

re: #27 bryantms

Wow, Obama got elected and everything's alright today.

/sarc

That's the way things work. The balance of power swings back and forth. As hard as these next 4+ years are going to be, the Republicans certainly deserve it.

WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

37 AMER1CAN  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:04am

Any plans on upgrading the number of simultanous connections here? You can visit competing sites and they load in less then a second and pretty much did all night long. I would assume they also had a lot of "hits".

I know there are a lot of smart people at LGF who could help solve this ongoing issue. If it's just lacking money to get these things done there has to be a way to get a cash infusion into LGF for infrastructure upgrades, right? This is one of the most viewed blogs when it works, that has to be worth upgrading the number of connections I would think.

/just thinking out loud

38 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:06am

#27 bryantms

Wow, Obama got elected and everything's alright today.

/sarc

That's the way things work. The balance of power swings back and forth. As hard as these next 4+ years are going to be, the Republicans certainly deserve it.

Well, Obama, with his congressional majorities, hasn't started governing yet...

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:10am

re: #25 Colin Nelson

Ah, I missed it.

40 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:13am

LGF still hard to get onto.

41 freeus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:40am

I thought the Fairness Doctrine had been deployed ASAP! LOL!

No kidding, I thought perhaps something nefarious had taken place.

How long do we have until they do come for us? Think the internet will be safe until March? Food for thought.

Rush is sounding hopeful. Sort of. I am still bummed out.

42 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:46am

Rahm - back to the Clinton years.

Obama’s apparent selection of Rahm Emanuel for White House chief of staff is an extremely disconcerting (if not wholly surprising) first indication on the “which Obama will we get” question. It suggests both that he wants to be ruthless and partisan and that he does not have a clear sense of how the White House works.

Emanuel was by all accounts a very effective White House staffer in the Clinton administration, and he has certainly been an effective member of the House of Representatives. He is smart and tough. But he has been, in both positions, a vicious graceless partisan: narrow, hectic, unremittingly aggressive, vulgar, and impatient. Those who have worked for and with him come away impressed but not inspired, and generally not loyal.

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

43 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:54am

re: #23 varmint

The debate should begin within the party. My talking points:

1. No more earmarks for Republicans. Period.
2. No more tolerance of crooks and sexual shenanigans in Republican legislators. Period.
3. Stop trying to legislate morality and belief, a la a federal marriage act or creationism in the schools. Leave this as a private matter for individuals.
4. Go back to basics:
a. Low taxes
b. Small government
c. A strong military
d. Low spending
5. Give Sarah Palin a pulpit and let her motivate the faithful. She's the future.

44 obageegee  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:59am

Every liberal blogger on the planet is checking the site out to see if we have swallowed the Kool-Aid yet. I for one will put on my happy face and go to my happy place to wait out the next 4 years.

I can't wait until the liberals figure out they didn't elect Santa Clause.

Palin/Steel 2012!

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:01am

The first time I got a feeling things wouldn't go so well last night is when 6pat6 got comment #666 on Election Day Thread #6.

/kinda

46 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:03am

Charles...downdings were over results not your words. I would recommend, just as a minor concession to Obama's victory, that you now add his name to the spell check.

47 ggt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:04am

Good Morning Lizards! It's a sunny Indian Summer kind of day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago.

I feel better this morning. NO more hanging chads. In some ways it is a relief. I don't plan on turning on the TV today tho.

How are you-all this morning and how are you coping?

48 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:08am

Hey all you idiots trying to get in here this morning to find out what
happened. We told you before but you wouldn't listen. You just had to
do it anyway. So now go pester somebody else for a while.

49 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:36am

re: #20 Charles

Embrace the down-ding, Charles. Join me.

50 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:40am

re: #27 bryantms
Huh?

As hard as these next 4+ years are going to be, the Republicans certainly deserve it.


Why do the Republicans (of whom I are one) deserve this? With a HUGE majority of voters going Center Left in this election (and not just for POTUS but for govenors, Senators, Members of the House and state legistlatures all over the place) who do YOU think the Republicans should have run - to win the election, I mean?

51 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:54am

Glad LGF was back. I was really missing it on this sad morning as I prepare to leave Reno and head back to Berserkeley.

I just don't understand how BHO won so decisively, esp. in OH and PA, not to mention FL. What happened to the PUMAs, the Joe the Plumbers, the coal miners, the Catholics, etc.? All hoodwinked by this charlatan?

52 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #37 AMER1CAN

Any plans on upgrading the number of simultanous connections here? You can visit competing sites and they load in less then a second and pretty much did all night long. I would assume they also had a lot of "hits".

I know there are a lot of smart people at LGF who could help solve this ongoing issue. If it's just lacking money to get these things done there has to be a way to get a cash infusion into LGF for infrastructure upgrades, right? This is one of the most viewed blogs when it works, that has to be worth upgrading the number of connections I would think.

/just thinking out loud

Hit the tip jar.

53 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:30:19am

Red Bull for the Hamsters!
Cudo's to Charles. Sincere thanks for what you do.

54 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:30:37am

re: #11 FrogMarch

Chuck Schumer (D-NY), in his promotion of the Fairness Doctrine, is equating free speech with pornography. Both must be limited, obviously.

i heard that clip. remarkable stupid.
he must think he is talking to 6 yr. olds w/ that kind of argument.
schumer is now the dumbest man in the senate.

55 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:30:45am

I missed the election night threads. In case nobody mentioned it, here's the most ironic quote of the day, from Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd:

"Twenty-five years ago Martin Luther King had a dream of an America where men and women would be judged not on the colour of their skin but on the content of their character. Today what America has done is turn that dream into a reality."

The real reality, of course, is that this election shamefully represents the exact opposite of MLK's dream. It was an obscene insult to Dr. King, his vision for America, and the inspirational struggles of generations of black Americans who have worked arduously to demonstrate the content of their character.

56 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:07am

re: #24 slokat

O as POTUS:

As far as I can tell, he's been ineffective at every job/position he's held - so why would we expect him to accomplish anything now?

That's the most hopeful thing I've heard all day.

As Rush just said, conservatism didn't lose last night, it wasn't on the ballot.

57 Intifan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:11am

re: #4 Kerr Avon

I have a bad cold and am loaded with Dayquil so I'm not sure I pass the 'sentient' test. But I still think my head is clearer than the 18-29 demographic that overwhelmingly went for Obama.

I am ashamed of my generation...

58 VioletTiger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:16am

Okay so now we have stocks dropping, and Russia playing with missles. Anything good going on today? Anybody?

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:17am

re: #49 Cognito

I've been racking up the downdings lately too. Embrace the scorn.

60 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:38am

re: #50 realwest

Huh?


Why do the Republicans (of whom I are one) deserve this? With a HUGE majority of voters going Center Left in this election (and not just for POTUS but for govenors, Senators, Members of the House and state legistlatures all over the place) who do YOU think the Republicans should have run - to win the election, I mean?

They should have run a real conservative!

61 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:53am

re: #14 Bobibutu

Is this the unofficial home of the loyal resistance?

62 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:59am

re: #11 FrogMarch

Chuck Schumer (D-NY), in his promotion of the Fairness Doctrine, is equating free speech with pornography. Both must be limited, obviously.

Interesting. Can you share a link?

63 gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:00am

I wouldn't exactly call myself sentient after staying out late at the local GOP shindig last night.

I think some of my fellow GOPers need the "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" pep talk. I'm disappointed, but I ain't giving up.

Charles, thank you for your work. I'm addicted to LGF, so I'll continue to be here. After Jan 20th, you may be all that's left of the opposition media.

64 zenren  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:17am

I looked up info on Rahm this morning as soon as I heard he was Obama's probable Chief of Staff. As soon as I started reading it I was thinking, I bet you people will start up with the Zionist conspiracy crap again. I don't like him because he is a hardcore liberal.

More on Rahm:

[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

65 CIA Reject  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:24am

re: #21 collegeguy85

After I promised Cuban cigars if McCain won, the fact that they are still sitting in my humidor is one of two bright spots today.

The second is that the dems don't have fillibuster proof control of the entire fed gov.

I wouldn't want to be in poor Mitch McConnel's shoes this morning.

He's about to become the most vilified man in America.

66 Gretchen  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:41am

Posting while I can...my positions are considered pormographic by Democrats.

I just hope everything is okay, and the reducation of America that started with community organizers and the silent takeover of our educational system and media can be fought,

67 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:49am

#39 KT.

Just saw that my post might have seemed a little sharp - not intended 'cause the story is good for a laugh - does the term hubris spring to mind?
BTW, how are you feeling this morning?

68 dentate  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #55 Last Mohican

I missed the election night threads. In case nobody mentioned it, here's the most ironic quote of the day, from Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd:


The real reality, of course, is that this election shamefully represents the exact opposite of MLK's dream. It was an obscene insult to Dr. King, his vision for America, and the inspirational struggles of generations of black Americans who have worked arduously to demonstrate the content of their character.

Not to mention the fact that MLK died 40 years ago, so making that comment 25 years ago would have been somewhat difficult.

69 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

Mine were a reaction to his election. I'm still pissed, but not hopeless by any means.

70 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:33:22am

re: #31 laZardo

Wow. It's been a night.

Maybe it's because I'm in Stage 4 of the Acceptance line...but I am very seriously considering moving to the Daily Kos. I'm sick of always being on a sinking ship.

/needs sense, pronto

Honey, you wouldn't last two posts over there. There is no dissent tolerated in the land of the tolerant, compassionate left.

71 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:33:54am

I view presidential elections the same way I view starting wars. Its fine to debate about who should be president up to the election just like its fine to debate whether or not it is wise to start a war. However, once the decision is made, the only debate should be how to better the country with who we elected, just like the debate over the war once it starts should only be how to win.

72 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #58 VioletTiger

Ah yes, I see the selloff has begun. -600, anybody?

73 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:34:26am

re: #32 taejohndo

Already had one person in the office today point out the O is not African American, but is rather, bi-racial. I didn't want to get involved so I left without comment. I wasn't sure of the person's politics or where they planned on going with it -- but I knew it was way too early for me to discuss it.

Wise decision.

74 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:34:28am

sorry but does Michelle's dress look like a black widow spider to anyone else by me. Obama Family on Election night

Black Widow Spider

75 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:35:26am

*SOB*

I was having major withdrawal.

76 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #72 joncelli

Ah yes, I see the selloff has begun. -600, anybody?

Probably not that far but it' headed for the toilet in the not to distant future.

77 dentate  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:35:44am

re: #74 Big Steve

sorry but does Michelle's dress look like a black widow spider to anyone else by me. Obama Family on Election night

Black Widow Spider

Exactly.

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:35:46am

re: #67 Colin Nelson

#39 KT.

Just saw that my post might have seemed a little sharp - not intended 'cause the story is good for a laugh - does the term hubris spring to mind?
BTW, how are you feeling this morning?

No worries. It doesn't bother me and I don't hold a grudge from on ehtread to the next. Some of my best friends here hate me. Felling fine this morning and if it stops raining long enough I'm looking forwards to some yardwork this afternoon.

79 JohnGaltLives  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:35:59am

Rahm Em as Chief of Staff?

What happened to change? What happened to working across the aisle? Rahm is one of the biggest attack dogs the Dems have.

80 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:36:40am

The poor Hamsters must be out of gas. )-:

I for one and not surprised the McCain lost. Sorry to see it though.
McCain smacked the rep party so manytimes to side with the dem's, that it left a bad taste with many reps )-:

Now we need another Newt to help bring the party back. (-:

81 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:36:59am

re: #74 Big Steve
outstanding observation

82 AMER1CAN  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:37:29am

re: #52 reine.de.tout

Put my money where my mouth is, I couldn't agree more with that. Having said that, I will donate what I can to LGF. Problem is, what I can put in the tip jar and what we all collectively put in the tip jar is not enough.

I'm sure LGF operates to atleast break even/make a profit as I see ads on the website. Problem is, when your website is down, your not serving ads, so you are not making money.

83 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:37:34am

0bama may be president-elect, but I don't think he's going to do well. Perhaps he'll do better than I think, but I'm not optimistic. What I will spend the next four years doing, however, is reminding every 0bama voter that this was what they wanted. If they have a problem with it, I'm going to suggest they re-think their philosophy to see what the disconnect is between reality and what they thought they were doing by voting for this man.

84 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:38:37am
85 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:38:45am

re: #74 Big Steve

sorry but does Michelle's dress look like a black widow spider to anyone else by me. Obama Family on Election night

Black Widow Spider

i have never seen her wear anything flattering or attractive.
the black widow dress was appalling.

86 RaiderDan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:39:33am

Couple thoughts.

While this was a solid victory for Barack Obama and the Democrats, it wasn't the tsunami they were hoping for. While the mainstream media polls did correctly get the top end of Obama's support at 52%, they consistent underpolled Republicans, like Gallup and NYT/CBS polls, which had Republican support at no better than 42%.

Of course this has nothing to do with electoral voting by state which went solidly blue in our "winner take all system" but the GOP ticket, in probably the worst year for Republicans since 1974, and fanned by a pro-Obama media the world has never seen, along with an economic crisis, a country spiraling into recession, and two unfinished wars, NEARLY 48% percent of the country stood by the GOP. That is thanks to one woman. SARAH PALIN. She motivated the base to Bush 2004 levels. It wasn't enough, but it was a lot better than what the MSM predicted.

You can argue that the Democrat base is now bigger, but without the media tailwind, and Obama's name on the ballot in 2010, Republicans will have an opportunity.

This was the Democrats best punch.

87 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:08:26am

Charles,

This difficult situation with the server may not last, but I'm wondering if it might be possible to put logged-in members onto a different server than readers who aren't logged in.

It would free things up for members and comments even if other readers have to compete with each other to get onto their server.

If members have a different login route to get to the members server, that would help, too. When it's as busy as it is now, it's impossible for some people to get to the point where they can log in.

If some people intend to read LGF daily for the next four years to see how some conservatives are handling Obama's election, it might be an idea.

88 Bosch Fawstin  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:09:20am

What does The Individual do when a terrorist's friend with a Muslim background gets voted in as US president during a time when Muslim terrorists are waging war against us? Tell the Truth.

89 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:09:22am

re: #62 Cognito

Interesting. Can you share a link?

[Link: hotair.com...]

90 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:09:23am

2nd try at posting. Hamsters deserve a medal for their valiant efforts!

As upsetting as Obama's win is, our state and local GOP did surprisingly well. We picked up two more seats in the state senate, which put us in the majority, and gained more than a few seats in the state house. Including a young and fired up republican from my district, who took a seat that had been in democrat control for generations.

Plus, I'm going to jump on Sharmuta's bandwagon and contact my local GOP offices and get involved in any way I can be of service.

Oh, and while I was waiting for the connection to fully connect, I counted all the vowels in the thread intro paragraph.

91 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:10:03am

Author Michael Crichton Has 'Died Unexpectedly: [Link: www.etonline.com...]

92 threecoloursblue  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:10:44am

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Get your tabla yet?

93 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:11:02am

I smell buyer's remorse coming within a year.

94 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:11:27am

re: #91 MrPaulRevere

Author Michael Crichton Has 'Died Unexpectedly: [Link: www.etonline.com...]

Oh no! That's really sad. :-(

95 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:11:32am

re: #79 JohnGaltLives

Rahm Em as Chief of Staff?

What happened to change? What happened to working across the aisle? Rahm is one of the biggest attack dogs the Dems have.

I pretty certain all of Obamas promises of hope and change will quickly be replaced with - more of the same. Hard left craziness.

96 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:11:42am

re: #90 Intrepid


Not in WA state (my home) We got the shaft in many ways?

Weird, because of the dem's in control here. We are broke

97 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:12:01am

re: #91 MrPaulRevere

Author Michael Crichton Has 'Died Unexpectedly: [Link: www.etonline.com...]

Ah, man. Cancer sucks.

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:12:28am

re: #92 threecoloursblue

Not yet. A good set of Tablas costs about 400-$500 and I'm a little short on cash these days.

99 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:12:33am

re: #90 Intrepid

That really means a lot to me that you're going to get involved. Thanks.

A wave's power comes from the base, not the crest.

100 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:12:42am

re: #91 MrPaulRevere

Author Michael Crichton Has 'Died Unexpectedly: [Link: www.etonline.com...]

That's tragic! I loved his books.

101 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:11am

Only 1000 online now - tried all morning to log on and no go.

102 marge45b  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:18am

I'm glad Yes on 8 passed in CA. My kids are happy (Me too!) They didn't like the idea of two moms or two dads. Civilization is saved.

103 CascadeMermaid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:43am

Perhaps Biden is smarter than we realized. Gird your loins, it looks like we're in for a bumpy four years:

Medvedev’s challenge to Obama
By Charles Clover in Moscow

Published: November 5 2008 13:49 %P% Last updated: November 5 2008 13:49

Russia’s president Dmitry Medvedev on Wednesday became the first world leader to throw down a gauntlet to US president-elect Barack Obama, declaring that the Kremlin would station missiles in the tiny Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, which borders Poland, in response to US plans for an anti-missile system in Eastern Europe...

The Russian proposals seem to be a provocative test for the incoming US leader, who inherits a tense relationship with Russia following the brief war with Georgia in August.

Mr Medvedev said the deployment of Iskander cruise missiles on Poland’s border was intended “to neutralise – if necessary – the anti-missile system” which the US plans to deploy in Poland and the Czech Republic. It signals that the Kremlin will not deviate from the tough line it took against the departing US administration of George W. Bush.

“I think the decision was made to take a tough stand with the United States, giving no concessions to the newly elected president,” said Dmitri Trenin, of the Moscow Carnegie Center, the think-tank.

“This [the missile deployment] had been rumoured for some time” said Mr Trenin “I think this is a message to Washington and Warsaw that they’ll be safer and better off if they call off their plans for ballistic missile defences in Poland and the Czech Republic.”

[Link: www.ft.com...]

104 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:14:12am

re: #93 Sharmuta

I smell buyer's remorse coming within a year.

Six months. Heck, if the hard left doesn't get its wish list accomplished in the first 100 days, there's going to be discontent from that core group. Obama may have four years to get his policies through, but he's got to set a tone within those early days. He's got all the parts in place for a serious push to the left. If he comes up short - that's going to be problem. If he accomplishes them, he's going to have problems in 2010 and 2012 because he will be exposed as nothing more than Carter II.

105 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:14:15am

Whew! LGF is still here. For a while I thought that BO and the Brownshirts had already started supressing free speech!

106 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:14:16am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I'm a little short on cash these days.

I'd get used to that, frankly.

107 freeus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:14:18am

Well, they are already nuking Sarah. Steve Schmidt told Molly H. on Fox that he would know whether or not Sarah was a plus or minus on the ticket depending on whether or not McCain won the election. Then Molly said there were off the record grumblings AGAIN over the $150,000 wardrobe. The RINOS will not be happy and the Country Club Establishment of the GOP will not be happy until they nuke Sarah.

However, the CUDA shot back. Love the Palin! I hope she and her family take a good breather and come back to help us take back the nation.

108 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:14:46am

Help Wanted: United States President. No relevant experience necessary. Must provide $1 billion refundable deposit (illegally obtained OK). Past associations with racist churches, terrorists (domestic & foreign), Marxists, larcenists OK. Biased news media a must. No background checks! Inquire within. Please, no zionists!

109 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:03am

Hope…Change…the world loves us after a MSM coup handed ‘the Obamassiah’ the most powerful seat in the nation - if not the world.

Just hours after U.S. President-elect Barack Obama delivered his victory speech, Russia's leader delivered a scathing rebuke of U.S. policy and reminded Obama of some of the major foreign policy challenges he will face in office.

Of course it was back around the first of September when Medvedev announced the five-point policy of the ‘New World Odor’,

Russia does not want confrontation with any country; Russia has no intention of isolating itself. We will develop, as far as possible, friendly relations both with Europe and with the United State of America, as well as with other countries of the world.

But that was then, this is now and ‘as far as possible‘ has been reached. Hope…change…tic.tic.tic…

110 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:04am

Sheesh. System load is soaring again.

111 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

I routinely uptick all of your threads, and I also upticked that one.

Yeah, I also did a double-take at the number of dings on that one, and that the one before it had been dinged a bit as well. :-%P%

112 threecoloursblue  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:11am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I'll see what I can do... if that's not being presumptious?

113 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:20am

I'm sick and tired of the big cities controlling what happens to the rest of the nation.

114 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:35am

By 2012 Trig can walk on stage and wave to the crowd and drive the liberals NUTS!

So much fun!

115 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:37am

re: #103 CascadeMermaid


So much for the SALT talks. Gezzz

Time to put some Tomahawks on the border. (-:

116 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:41am

Now I'm getting hate mail for not hating Obama enough.

"It gives me no pleasure to see this prediction coming true."

Ego big as hot air balloons is what I see out of your comment. You
should take greater pleasure on seeing that your prediction would be
wrong and that with McCain in office there'll be less chance on seeing
bloodshed run in the streets. But since you're happy that you're right
I'm sure you'll be happy seeing the bloodshed down the road when Prez
Obama doesn't want to do anything except negotiate our power over to
Iran.

Yeah...be proud of your prediction. Wear it like a fur coat.

117 saberry0530  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:45am

re: #11 FrogMarch

Chuck Schumer (D-NY), in his promotion of the Fairness Doctrine, is equating free speech with pornography. Both must be limited, obviously.

Anything that comes Chuckie babies mouth is pornography.

118 stevieray  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:50am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

We need a laugh this morning...
Yvonne Ridley 'Driven Out Of Job By Sexist Muslim Bosses'

Heh.

Poor, poor unlucky woman. She always seems to attract that tiny minority of Muslims who aren't just like us.

Such a teeny, weeny, tiny minority who despise the modern world... but she always finds them.

What are the odds!?

///

119 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:57am

Looking forward to next election. Sarah Palin (R) vs. Hillary (D) vs. Obama (M)

/M = Marxist Party

120 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:16:18am

re: #93 Sharmuta

I smell buyer's remorse coming within a year.

I see President Obama (must...get...used...to...typing...that...combo) sitting down in the Oval Office around January 21, looking over what he has promised and what he will actually be able to do, and saying, "Nope, can't do that, and can't do that either. What about...oops, can't do that one."

When he can't deliver on 3/4 of his promises and when the reality of that truth sets in, we'll see some heavy backtracking.

Republicans need to get someone in charge who can deliver a coherent message, too. No more of this namby-pamby "Us too, we think that too!" crap.

121 varmint  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:16:50am

re: #43 joncelli
re: #43 joncelli

the republicans have a severe leadership deficit. Palin is about the only bright spot i see. maybe jindal too. but the moderate wing of the party is already setting her up to take the blame for this defeat.

122 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:16:51am

re: #104 lawhawk

Would it be petty of me hope for the left that the lesson of being careful what one wishes for comes to fruition?

123 vxbush  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #108 Crusty

Help Wanted: United States President. No relevant experience necessary. Must provide $1 billion refundable deposit (illegally obtained OK). Past associations with racist churches, terrorists (domestic & foreign), Marxists, larcenists OK. Biased news media a must. No background checks! Inquire within. Please, no zionists!

Ouch.

I must admit to some befuddlement about our population when they are willing to just accept what they get from the Media regarding our election, despite the fact that a majority of people don't trust the media.

I watched PJTV (thanks for the link, Charles) and found it refreshing, even if it wasn't as glossy as the bigwigs.

I will continue to pray for our president, our country, and our future.

124 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #110 Charles

You are a popular guy.

125 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:30am
126 Jinx  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:33am

Probably a couple reasons long load and the rush.

1) We need a post-election fix. Give me some of that positive energy, baby!
2) LLLs want to see how right-wingers are handling this election and want to gloat.
3) It's like Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Rush to Macy's and fight over products you want to buy--with socialism coming in who knows if we'll be able to be so consumer oriented in the next couple of years.

127 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:46am

"This is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause." -Senator Amidala

128 peppermintboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:17:54am

LGF NEEDS BIGGER PIPES! :-)
dude...you are going to be my only true news for the next 4 years... do you need money from me/us? plz tell us.. better traffic mean more money, bigger server, etc...I already have all the LGF widgets for my iGoogle..

could we simply auto send you our future obama tax cut checks to you? ;-)
resistance is never futile...

129 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:18:01am

(part 1)

What I’m about to say a lot of Republicans and a lot of social conservatives may not want to hear, but they better pay attention. This country just went hard left. That means that millions of religious Americans went hard left. What does that mean? That means that the Republican base can no longer win, or even influence, elections. It is too small. Furthermore, it is out of touch with reality. Social conservatives believe that America is a (small c) conservative country, often relying on surveys that show that like 90% of Americans believe in god/are religious etc. However, soccons make the mistake of extrapolating from that that some high % of that 90% are orthodox Christians. That is simply untrue. America is the polar opposite of Islam. In Islam, there is no difference between politics and religion. Religion (Islam) is Truth. That’s all there is to it. A muslim practices Islam as it is dictated to him. In America, we’ve not only separated religion from politics, we’ve separated religion from Truth. Religion is now just another expression of a person’s personality, like being goth is of mine. It’s like what civic club you belong to or sports team you root for (Redskins). Furthermore, we’re free to define religion in our own way. I know plenty of goths who say, essentially, “Jesus is a cool dude and I like what he stood for. I consider myself Christian, but I follow what I believe is the way Jesus wanted it.” Do you think that this Christian – because that’s what the survey labels him – is going to vote Republican? Soccons have deluded themselves that they could win elections by viewing the electorate through their own eyes. They brought us George Bush, a big government social conservative and economic liberal, who is probably the worst president for the modern age in terms of communication, that we’ve ever had. He couldn’t explain any concept and came across as dumb. He won two elections because secular conservatives couldn’t stomach the thought of Al Gore and John Kerry. (Yes, there are other reasons tied to the timing of both elections.)

130 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:18:18am

re: #104 lawhawk


Well buddy, let's hope the REP's get their stuff together and stop him in two years like they did Clinton. I hope.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:18:36am

re: #116 Charles

Idiots!

132 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:18:42am

part 2
Bush made another, inexcusable, blunder – he went into Iraq thinking that after overthrowing Saddam, he could rebuild Iraq easily because Muslims worship the same god as Christians and Jews, so just free them from the yoke of tyranny and they’ll be fine. I am stunned at the utter vacuousness of the mind that really believes this. He gave us the nationbuilding he railed against and which this country generally opposes. So we end up, in 2008, with a President who spends like a Democrat and communicates like a babbling idiot, who’s hamstrung us with an Iraqi adventure costing BILLIONS of $ we have to borrow from the Saudis, the Republican waistoid Congress of 2000-2006 was long discredited, and the GOP nominee is an old man (yes, 72 is old, even if he’s in shape for an old man) who while more communicative than Bush, still can’t grasp important concepts well enough to bend them as necessary on the stump. He furthermore offers no defense of conservatism as a creed that preaches self-reliance, hard work, investment, and keeping your eye on the goal of improving your life. No, he wants to buy up bad mortgages. Why have a taste of vanilla when you can have a plateful of milk chocolate? The Republican party has nothing left to offer. It can’t offer what it had stood for under Reagan because Bush and the 2000-2006 Congress basically repudiated it. It can’t run on tax cuts since it can’t or won’t make the case to the voters. It can’t run on social spending since what’s the point? National defense? 19 guys with box cutters took on the entire U.S. We don’t need a massive army, we need kung fu stews. No, all the GOP has left is guns, orthodox Christianity, and demonizing homosexuals (i.e., gay marriage). I’m a doctrinaire economic conservative and a social moderate. Where do I go? As soon as I have time, I’m re-registering Libertarian. Goodbye GOP. You got me with the Contract with America, and you lost me when you contracted against America.

133 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #116 Charles

Now I'm getting hate mail for not hating Obama enough.

Misplaced anger.

134 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:20am

re: #89 FrogMarch

[Link: hotair.com...]

Man, that is terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.

Honestly I figured there some catch -- a little bit of a stretch, to say he equated political free speech and pornography.

Nope. He stepped squarely into state-run media territory, there. Apparently the government isn't just interested in controlling banks, now.

135 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:24am

re: #116 Charles


Face it Charles... Just can't make them happy.

136 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:30am

re: #110 Charles

Hey Charles,

Three consequtive periods resulted in that '2026;' above your post.

137 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:31am
138 GW  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:32am

Wow, couldn't get in for hours. I was thinking 'The brownshirts couldn't have taken power already could they?"

Flame me if you want Lizards but here's where I'm at the morning after. Wrote this to my depressed neice (hope her husband too the booze and sharp objects to work with him...
Coulda been worse, coulda been Hillary...
Ok, so here we are. The day after the election for 'Change' and 'Hope'. There would've been 'change' either way.
Gone are the days of policy being rejected simply because it came from 'That' guy. I 'hope'
No more BDS which started with the Florida fiasco of 2000 and greatly helped propell this man to the office he will hold come January 20th.
If he proposes or supports something off the wall, I expect us to stand up against it. Not because 'The One' proposed it, but because it is not the right thing to do. He's not going to be able to effect all the policy and rhetoric we've heard over the last 2 years because that's not how Washington works. Ask Bubba. He had majorities in both houses but had to play politics with both parties.
Gone should be the days where the black man stands and shouts discrimination. Yo dude, your man's in, talk to the hand. Gone are the days of Jesse and Rev. Wright and Al bolivating because the black man can't get a fair shake.
Obama stated in his speech at midnight, 'we have to work hard'. OK dude, I'm gonna hold you to that. Do the work for all the people who you now represent and we wont have a problem. Myself, if an incumbent has done a good job, I'll vote for his re-election. Earn it Obama...We are the greatest country in the history of mankind and need to remember and apply the lessons we have learned from the Washington thru Bush II.
So it's a new beginning. The slate's wiped clean. No more BDS. No more trooffers shouting 'Bush knew!' No more Mikey Moore BS. It's a new day and I hope this man comes thru for this country. We're the greatest thing since the invention of bread and if Obama can get the Fed to put stupid partisan politics aside for the good of the country, and four years from now things are better, Obama will have earned my vote.
The man's been elected and he will/does deserve the respect that the office of the president deserves. The press helped propel him to that spot and I hope they don't begin the travesties of the past ala how they treated Clinton and both Bush's, in fact every President since Nixon and Watergate which is as far as I remember back on politics.
And as an addendum, can this man please get to a dentist and fix that damn whistle on his S's? Almost as maddening as Hillary's shill and now we definently have to hear it for at least four years....

139 3 wood  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:19:40am

The DOW is down about 268. Looks like Obamanomics is not being all that well received.

Also, Obama's 1st staff appointment is Rahm Emanual, rabid attack dog for the left.

Looks like Obama is not all that interested in unifying the country, afterall.

140 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #122 Sharmuta

Would it be petty of me hope for the left that the lesson of being careful what one wishes for comes to fruition?

They will STILL like what happens 'cause the inner-city dwellers will STILL get their damn welfare.

141 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:07am

I'm feeling somewhat weary today.

A wise man wrote these thoughts about character at a time of crisis for his nation,

"If I wish to preserve a certain type of man - and his inner strength - I must also preserve the principles on which he is founded."

"It is easy to build the order of a society upon the submission of each man to fixed rules. It is easy to mould a blind man who will endure without protest a master or a Koran."

"Demagogy enters at the moment when there is no universal yardstick, and the principle of equality is debased into a principle of identity."

Flight to Arras - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:27am

Our web server is a dual-core Xeon, and we have a request in for a quad-core machine, which should help a lot. The main bottleneck is in the processing power; more powerful machine means more HTTP requests served in a shorter amount of time.

The next step up is a load-balanced multi-server setup, which is an order of magnitude more expensive than our current two-server setup (web and DB servers). I'm looking at this option, even though it will cost more per month than my mortgage.

143 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:28am
144 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:41am

re: #127 bellamags

"This is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause." -Senator Amidala

Please don't say that. I've been thinking it myself since last night, but we're not done yet.

Like I said this morning, keep thinking three words: 2010 midterm elections.

145 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #129 SFGoth

(part 1)

What I’m about to say a lot of Republicans and a lot of social conservatives may not want to hear, but they better pay attention. This country just went hard left. That means that millions of religious Americans went hard left. What does that mean? That means that the Republican base can no longer win, or even influence, elections. It is too small. Furthermore, it is out of touch with reality. Social conservatives believe that America is a (small c) conservative country, often relying on surveys that show that like 90% of Americans believe in god/are religious etc. However, soccons make the mistake of extrapolating from that that some high % of that 90% are orthodox Christians. That is simply untrue. America is the polar opposite of Islam. In Islam, there is no difference between politics and religion. Religion (Islam) is Truth. That’s all there is to it. A muslim practices Islam as it is dictated to him. In America, we’ve not only separated religion from politics, we’ve separated religion from Truth. Religion is now just another expression of a person’s personality, like being goth is of mine. It’s like what civic club you belong to or sports team you root for (Redskins). Furthermore, we’re free to define religion in our own way. I know plenty of goths who say, essentially, “Jesus is a cool dude and I like what he stood for. I consider myself Christian, but I follow what I believe is the way Jesus wanted it.” Do you think that this Christian – because that’s what the survey labels him – is going to vote Republican? Soccons have deluded themselves that they could win elections by viewing the electorate through their own eyes. They brought us George Bush, a big government social conservative and economic liberal, who is probably the worst president for the modern age in terms of communication, that we’ve ever had. He couldn’t explain any concept and came across as dumb. He won two elections because secular conservatives couldn’t stomach the thought of Al Gore and John Kerry. (Yes, there are other reasons tied to the timing of both elections.)

However Obama had to pretend he was center-right with tax cuts, and line item vetos and "strengthening" the military to get people to vote for him - otherwise why would he have pretended to be so much more moderate. He lied to win - democrats always have to lie to win.

146 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:06am

Mates, it is the morning after two years of one sided debates and information. However we have to live with the results, and we should follow the path of the "loyal oposition". Obama will be my CINC come January. So be it and we will deal with it in a logical fashion. This is not the end of the world, friends!

147 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:08am
148 SagamoreGal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:35am

Will the Republican party ever return to its past glories?

Not likely. Here’s why:

- This country is no longer “center right” no matter what pundits and pollsters will tell you. Short of several Sept 11’s or a civil war on our shores, I don’t see this ever trending back.
- The Dems/Socialists/Pacifists/Secularists have a firm mind-control grip on our students’ learning and reasoning skills from kindergarten level to the post-graduate level. We are seeing this in our 20 and 30-year olds now, and it will only get worse. No matter how much you good Christian parents try to instill your values into your child’s moral fiber, they are away from you more than they are with you. How many left-leaning parents have right-leaning children? The number would be miniscule. We all know the sad tales of right-leaning parents with children who would never dream of voting for a Republican.
- As long as we are an Israel-supporting party, the world will continue to laugh at us and only see us bible-thumping Christians trying to convert the Jews before the end time . The world hates Israel and hates Jews. Most Jews hate us.
- Most Americans and the “global citizen” only want to be seen as “hip” by their friends and co-workers. Not honest, successful, or hard-working. Just “hip”. It has never ever been hip to be a Republican and never will be.
- We cannot stem the tide of affluent liberals who used to reside mostly in clustered states along the Pacific and a few Atlantic states. Over the last generation or two they have packed up and moved to Red and Purple states in large numbers. They are much more migratory than Republicans. Rural Republican retirees have neither the income nor the desire to pack up and move from AL, SC, IN, or GA.
- We have not yet learned how to take the Internet away from the Democrats and the liberal voice and probably never will.
- A duplicitious and vengeful press that will continue to portray Republicans as knuckle draggers and do back flips to elect almost any Democrat. This alone makes our return from the wilderness almost impossible.

Obama will have to be Jimmy Carter writ large and the U.S. be involved in wars on three or four continents in order for a now unknown Reagan-like figure to emerge from the current or future crop of Republican politicians and lead us to the Promised Land again. I don’t think Sarah Palin is ready for that until 2016. Bobby Jindhal - maybe in 4 or 8. But the media and pundits will eat him alive for his creationism views.

Of course, the Mayan calendar could be correct and none of this will really matter in 2012.

149 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:52am

Hooray! Quitting the party instead of fighting to restore it to what it should be! Yeah! What a great way to win! Woohoo! QUIT QUIT QUIT!

Because quitters always win!

150 Dahveed  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:55am

re: #121 varmint

re: #43 joncelli

the republicans have a severe leadership deficit. Palin is about the only bright spot i see. maybe jindal too. but the moderate wing of the party is already setting her up to take the blame for this defeat.

I think Newt Gingrich could be in a good position. Michael Steele and Rick Santorum are good voices as well. They may not be candidates for office, but they can be the conservative voices we need to lead a new Reagan Revolution. We need a new inspiration or else the next eight years could be very difficult.

151 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:22:11am

62 Million voted FOR socialism
55 Million voted AGAINST socialism

Barry has his work cut out for him as this is certainly no mandate. It will be interesting to see how soon some of those 62M become disillusioned.

152 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:22:19am

The PUMA site Hillbuzz has posts from people accusing it of fraud, and insinuating that the site was a scam for $$. Lots of anger there today.

153 Kincsem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:22:29am

Perhaps one noteworthy thing can come of the imminent ascension of The One to the Oval Office--the Kerry/Edwards stickers will finally be scraped off of Volvos and junkers everywhere.

154 snowbunnybutt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:23:14am

I am so sick of the hate. I didn't/don't like obama because of his policies, and nothing more. I was vocal about being behind McCain because of his stance, nothing more. Why is it now I am being attacked with slurs like cracker telling me they hope the "Old man just dies" I have been nothing but respectful. I am getting so sick of it. Anyone else getting this kind of thing?

155 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:23:29am

Obama's presumptive chief of staff Rahm Emanuel is a real piece of work:"... the night after Clinton was elected, Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting "Dead! . . . Dead! . . . Dead!" and plunging the knife into the table after every name. " [Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

156 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:24:02am

re: #152 SpartanWoman

The PUMA site Hillbuzz has posts from people accusing it of fraud, and insinuating that the site was a scam for $$. Lots of anger there today.

I saw that, and I'm waiting to see their response. I'm damn close to never trusting a democrat ever again on anything.

157 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #139 3 wood

The DOW is down about 268. Looks like Obamanomics is not being all that well received.

Also, Obama's 1st staff appointment is Rahm Emanual, rabid attack dog for the left.

Looks like Obama is not all that interested in unifying the country, afterall.

Rush said that after the Clinton campaign - (didn't say which one) Rahm took a steak knife and starting listing the names of his political enemy and then stabbing the knife into the table and saying: "Dead" after each name. Over and over - Chicago style.

158 Dianna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:24:07am

re: #149 Sharmuta

Hooray! Quitting the party instead of fighting to restore it to what it should be! Yeah! What a great way to win! Woohoo! QUIT QUIT QUIT!

Because quitters always win!

I gather you're annoyed?

159 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:24:16am

re: #93 Sharmuta

I agree with you save for the time frame. I believe that the BODS - Barak Obama Disillusionment Syndrome will manifest itself within six-months. My belief is that a whole lot of the voting public was voting AGAINST Bush and AGAINST the Republican Congressional agenda, not for BHO!

I'd like to suggest that Lizards have lost their tails, not their heads. Tails grow back!

re: #43 joncelli

With respect, I think it's a three-step plan.

1. Stop trying to legislate morality and belief, a la a federal marriage act or creationism in the schools. Leave this as a private matter for individuals.
2. Go back to basics:
a. Low taxes
b. Small government
c. A strong military
d. Low spending
3. Walk to walk, Talk the talk!

Whether the Governor of Alaska elects to stay active in national politics and at what level of sacrifice is her decision. Having said that, I agree that populist voices such as hers, Joe the Plumber, Tito the Builder will be a welcomed and driving voices in the debate.

160 cblesz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:07am

So when do we get to see the Khalidhi tape?

161 Dianna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:12am

re: #154 snowbunnybutt

I'm not. Of course, I'm so exhausted and depressed that I haven't had a chance to say much and be reviled.

162 JamesTKirk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:13am

I couldn't get onto LGF all morning. I thought the Fairness Doctrine had already been passed.

163 frankdn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:17am

Pity Keith Olbermann, whose whole reason for being will leave office next January. What's he going to do with himself?

164 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:18am

Pooh nets $50,000. Heh, heh, "Pooh."

165 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:18am

re: #142 Charles

Our web server is a dual-core Xeon, and we have a request in for a quad-core machine, which should help a lot. The main bottleneck is in the processing power; more powerful machine means more HTTP requests served in a shorter amount of time.

The next step up is a load-balanced multi-server setup, which is an order of magnitude more expensive than our current two-server setup (web and DB servers). I'm looking at this option, even though it will cost more per month than my mortgage.

Cost more than your mortgage? I've got the candidate for you! Oh, and he'll pay for your gas too. /heavy sarc

166 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #151 Russkilitlover

62 Million voted FOR socialism
55 Million voted AGAINST socialism

Barry has his work cut out for him as this is certainly no mandate. It will be interesting to see how soon some of those 62M become disillusioned.

Barry is a 5 year old who has just been handed a leash with a bull mastiff on the other end.

167 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:41am

re: #140 MandyManners

They will STILL like what happens 'cause the inner-city dwellers will STILL get their damn welfare.

But won't that just result in more movement out to the suburbs? Which will result in more inner city crime, which will result in calls for strong anti-crime mayors. Like a Rudy.

168 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:48am

Mr. Obama, I would like you to appoint both McCain and Palin to cabinet positions.

I did recall that you were reading "Team of Rivals".

You have to lead us all now.

Respectfully, Ojoe.

169 Boolz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:25:57am

re: #50 realwest

Huh?


Why do the Republicans (of whom I are one) deserve this? With a HUGE majority of voters going Center Left in this election (and not just for POTUS but for govenors, Senators, Members of the House and state legistlatures all over the place) who do YOU think the Republicans should have run - to win the election, I mean?

did the voters have a chance to go right? Considering that McCain had his own healthcare plan, own cap and trade plan, not to mention his stance on immigration (along with Bushs) from a couple of years ago, if the American people are given the choice of two center-left candidates, why NOT go for the one that promises more? Now I voted yesterday, and I voted for McCain, as much as I didn't want to. But it takes more than just voting to put your candidate over the top. You have to convince as many other people as possible to vote your guy to, and it was hard as hell to try to endorse McCain to others. Republicans got two years to decide who they want to be: do they want to be Democrat-Lite, promising the same things as Democrats, just not as much of it, or do they want to go back to the low-tax, limited government, and personal freedom and responsibility notions that had allowed them to take over Congress in the nineties and then the Presidency? One works, one don't. And if they can't figure out which is which then they're dumber than I thought

170 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:10am

re: #149 Sharmuta

Hooray! Quitting the party instead of fighting to restore it to what it should be! Yeah! What a great way to win! Woohoo! QUIT QUIT QUIT!

Because quitters always win!


Quit?

171 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:16am

Yea - got back on again! Been trying and trying and finally get on when the stats's page shows:

Now Online: 2,997
Logged in: 270


Geez, I wonder if everyone went to lunch in the East Coast and Central time zones! LOL!

172 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #142 Charles

I'm looking at this option, even though it will cost more per month than my mortgage.

No worries there, Obama's going to pay your mortgage from now on isn't he?

173 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:21am

Yahoo Finance:

A case of post-election nerves sent stocks lower Wednesday as investors began questioning what impact a Barack Obama presidency will have on business and the overall economy. The Dow Jones industrials fell more than 300 points and the major indexes all fell more than 3 percent.

Says it all.

174 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:32am
175 jamie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:38am

re: #116 Charles

Now I'm getting hate mail for not hating Obama enough.

Mark my words, BDS is going nowhere--we're merely changing the B from Bush to Barack.

176 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:26:56am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

My dingdown was a reaction to that silly assed speech. Your work is, as always, appreciated.

177 JamesTKirk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:06am

re: #21 collegeguy85

The second is that the dems don't have fillibuster proof control of the entire fed gov.

I expected O to win. I was keeping an eye on Senate figures.

178 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:21am

re: #154 snowbunnybutt

I am so sick of the hate. I didn't/don't like obama because of his policies, and nothing more. I was vocal about being behind McCain because of his stance, nothing more. Why is it now I am being attacked with slurs like cracker telling me they hope the "Old man just dies" I have been nothing but respectful. I am getting so sick of it. Anyone else getting this kind of thing?

Who's calling you a "cracker"?

179 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:21am

re: #93 Sharmuta
Hey sharmuta, you have been an absolute rock through the campaign. I for one have appreciated it your dependability and stability. Wanted to get that said before I have more computer problems.

180 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:26am

re: #116 Charles

Now I'm getting hate mail for not hating Obama enough.

This is one of the lessons to be learned. Hating Obama accomplishes nothing for us. We don't need to compromise with the left. We don't need to cave. We can behave decently with them but we don't have to trust them, ever. We don't really know what is wrong with them, but we know we can't fix them or appease them. They will keep coming until they have ten out of ten of what they want. We can never trust them. But "hating" them? Just too boring. They are not that interesting.

What we can do is adopt a rational, practical platform for the Republican party. Probably 5 million Republicans sat this election out. I guarantee you, it was "moderates" that accomplished that. Nobody wants to vote for Democrat Lite. The Reagan victories proved that.

181 Kyle_st  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:35am
"It looks like every sentient being with an Internet connection in the known universe is trying to load LGF this morning."

Oh, come on. Something else must be going on. Are you sure you're not under a chronic, low-grade DoS attack? It seems that the 'break' between when we could reach your site, and now, was rather sudden a couple of weeks ago, with nothing to clearly account for it (the 'election' season wouldn't be it). No Rathergate-type posts, nothing like that.

Just a thought from a loyal reader.

182 Dahveed  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:46am
- As long as we are an Israel-supporting party, the world will continue to laugh at us and only see us bible-thumping Christians trying to convert the Jews before the end time . The world hates Israel and hates Jews. Most Jews hate us.

I certainly hope you're not suggesting that we should no longer support Israel because the rest of the world hates Israel. I would like to think that supporting democracy and free people everywhere is a worthy principle of this country regardless of the religion of that country's population.

183 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:47am

re: #158 Dianna

Who, me? No- I love quitters. I hope as many people as possible quit the republicans so we can have 100 years of liberal-leftist rule because some people find quitting easier than fighting for ideals.

184 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:52am

Charles, IMHO you should issue the call for a "Hundred Hamster Hustle"! Poor lil' guys and gals. It's a wonder that the ASPCA hasn't intervened yet on behalf of the LGF server power source.

185 bloodnok  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #173 Max Darkside

Yahoo Finance:


Says it all.

Nice that they "began" on November 5.

186 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #156 Sharmuta

I saw that, and I'm waiting to see their response. I'm damn close to never trusting a democrat ever again on anything.

I'm half convinced they ran a deception operation. Don't know though. Hillarys' days are gone-they must know that.

187 saberry0530  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:19am

re: #148 SagamoreGal snip
Of course, the Mayan calendar could be correct and none of this will really matter in 2012.

Is that the 21st or 23rd of December? Ya know , just for planning purposes.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:34am

I want a bumper-sticker that is a red sickle-and-hammer with a black line through it.

189 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:37am

re: #156 Sharmuta

I saw that, and I'm waiting to see their response. I'm damn close to never trusting a democrat ever again on anything.

I sort of find it difficult to believe they've been maintaining a website since February all for a possible donation at the end.

190 Arbalest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:48am

The election of Obama means that now Obama will have to govern.

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and company are now out of business. Political Correctness is dead.

We get to see how Obama’s skill at spending money performs ($43million to Rezko to refurbish Chicago housing projects; $100million to improve Chicago public school education, as per Ayres). I think that by 2010 this will change the minds of very many taxpayers.

Obama guessed wrong on The Surge; he’s not a leader. Obama’s political apparatus is.

Remember Obama’s first reaction to the Russian invasion of Georgia? Now Obama gets to deal with Iran, Kim the Well-Fed-yet-Short, and the possibility of yet another AlQaeda attack on the US

If we compare resumes, Nagin has much more experience than Obama, and we saw how Nagin handled Katrina. Remember Michelle’s comments?

How will the Democratic Congress react when told to shutdown coal-fired powerplants, reduce military funding, fund a new civilian defense corps ….? How will the voters react?

Then there’s ACORN, Wright and Ayres; how and when will they reappear? The election’s over, and now their agenda is competing with the Democratic one. They aren’t like acne, which can be cured.

We get to see how long the media will remain loyal (but perhaps the new Brownshirts will handle this).

Odds on when the LATimes releases its videotape?

2010 doesn’t look good for the Democratic party.

New Coke.

191 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:55am

re: #149 Sharmuta

Hooray! Quitting the party instead of fighting to restore it to what it should be! Yeah! What a great way to win! Woohoo! QUIT QUIT QUIT!

Because quitters always win!

Yep. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

Heh - never thought I'd type that sentence in context.

192 Roll-aid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:56am

Charles -

You & Stinky are doing an outstanding job of hamster-wrangling in keeping LGF alive through the tsumani of comments and page views. What a change from a few years ago.

Seriously folks, from someone with a passing knowledge of data-centers, it's be a huge *huge* expense to build LGF up to handle the traffic at the level of a Drudge Report...The last 24 hours has been a peak which may not be equaled for a long time to come. Takes more than hardware, it'd take high tier bandwidth (expensive ), content distribution networks (ditto), load balancers, etc. Don't think the even LGF tip jar would be big enough.

Let's give Stinky, the hamsters and Charles a thumbs-up, high five and job well done.

Fairness Doctrine be dammed. It won't touch the 'net. The next four years should be fun!

193 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:28:57am

re: #179 snowcrash

Thanks.

195 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:29:02am
196 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:29:21am

Hi Lizards!
Nearly four hours to get here - poor hamsters!
Thanks for all you've done, Charles, and for all you're still doing.
I hope yuo all are beginning to come to terms with this huge disappointment - my heart goes out to you all!

As I've been saying here before - this is exactly how Great Britain looked after the elections in 1997, which got Tony Blair in.

The Tories had a lot of work to do - not just inside their own party, but also against the msm who have been labelling the Tory party as the 'nasty party' for quite a number of years ...

You are off to a much better start than we were in 1997, because you know whats coming - and you have the chance to start turning it around in two years time - a chance we didn't have.

So - get working, no false recriminations (like - Sarah lost it for us!), but a major house-clean in in order.

My heartfelt commiserations to you all - and thanks to Charles and all Lizards for being such classy people!

197 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:29:26am
Stocks fell initially as investors cashed in gains after a six-day run that lifted the Standard & Poor's 500 index more than 18 percent. The selling picked up momentum as the market began to ponder what an Obama administration might do.
"A lot of the policy going forward is going to have an effect on the various sectors of the market," said Joe Keetle, senior wealth manager for Dawson Wealth Management.
Obama's victory means that industries such as oil and gas producers, utilities and pharmaceuticals may face greater regulation and even taxes, while labor unions and automakers are expected to benefit.

For you investors that voted Bambi- 300 point drop.

/Its all Bambi's fault

198 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:29:55am

re: #134 Cognito

Man, that is terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.

Honestly I figured there some catch -- a little bit of a stretch, to say he equated political free speech and pornography.

Nope. He stepped squarely into state-run media territory, there. Apparently the government isn't just interested in controlling banks, now.

I left are salivating to take fascistic measures to kill any speech that isn't pro-democrat.

199 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:30:23am

re: #159 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I believe that the BODS - Barak Obama Disillusionment Syndrome will manifest itself within six-months. My belief is that a whole lot of the voting public was voting AGAINST Bush and AGAINST the Republican Congressional agenda, not for BHO!

I lot of people voted for the falsely advertised product labeled "Obama!" When reality hits (ie. Biden's warning) many people will be bitterly shocked to find out what they really bought.

200 Aye Pod  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:30:26am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

We need a laugh this morning...
Yvonne Ridley 'Driven Out Of Job By Sexist Muslim Bosses'


Heh.

Just recalling that this disgusting little beast fell in love with the Taliban in the full knowledge of their atrocities committed against Afghani women.

201 readytofight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:30:33am

Somebody talk me down. To me, this means the majority of people in this country are on the take. How can we fight people on welfare who multiply like rabbits and a media that suppresses the facts and distorts the truth?

Somewhere the gnomes of Zurich are smiling.

202 snowbunnybutt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:30:35am

btw did anyone see on fox the person at the obama celebration waving the communist flag?

203 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:30:41am

Rather ironic that on the first day that an Obama presidency has been guaranteed I question whether my comment will be seen or if when I hit "post this comment" my voice will disappear into a void.

204 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:25am
205 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:25am

re: #171 realwest

Morning Buddy.. got a call from one of my Lib friends in NY... OOO-boy what a talk.

206 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #197 ibmkeyboard

For you investors that voted Bambi- 300 point drop.

/Its all Bambi's fault

That feels GOOD.

207 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:51am

re: #123 vxbush

Ouch.

I must admit to some befuddlement about our population when they are willing to just accept what they get from the Media regarding our election, despite the fact that a majority of people don't trust the media.

I watched PJTV (thanks for the link, Charles) and found it refreshing, even if it wasn't as glossy as the bigwigs.

I will continue to pray for our president, our country, and our future.

People don't trust the media but they're not schooled enough yet on how to get around it. Whenever I told an Obama-leaning voter something negative and verifiable about Obama they would always respond, "I didn't know that! Where did you read that?"
"Little Green Footballs, Jim Treacher, Michelle Malkin."
"What are those?"

People don't understand that going to CNN.com, turning on MSNBC, opening a copy of the New York Times, listening to a lecture in college, etc., is absolutely no different than getting handed a brochure from the DNC or visiting a playpen like Daily Kos. A truth-dedicated blog like LGF is the only place you can really get good info. Find one you trust, one that won't run any hair-brained rumor that floats along, and stick with it.

Perhaps in 2012 voters will learn to abandon the sham of traditional American journalism and go to the polls informed by their peers rather than brainwashed by the MSM.

208 Dalibama  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:00am

Want to laugh?

NUMB: National Unity My Butt (Jim Treacher)

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers (Free Republic)

Obama can't find his aunt in Boston, but he's going to find Osama Bin Laden. (Me)

209 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:07am

re: #204 taxfreekiller

Glad to see you are still here tfk.

210 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:13am

re: #183 Sharmuta

Who, me? No- I love quitters. I hope as many people as possible quit the republicans so we can have 100 years of liberal-leftist rule because some people find quitting easier than fighting for ideals.

Upding. Although I wouldn't mind culling a few of the "weak as water" Republicans so we would at least know who we could count on in the order to keep things on a reasonably even keel for the next few years.

211 Baelzar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:22am

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

212 winston06  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:22am

it's a sad day for me.

213 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:26am

re: #201 readytofight

Somebody talk me down. To me, this means the majority of people in this country are on the take. How can we fight people on welfare who multiply like rabbits and a media that suppresses the facts and distorts the truth?

Somewhere the gnomes of Zurich are smiling.

Why are the gnomes smiling?

214 bloodnok  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:37am

re: #201 readytofight

Somebody talk me down. To me, this means the majority of people in this country are on the take. How can we fight people on welfare who multiply like rabbits and a media that suppresses the facts and distorts the truth?

Somewhere the gnomes of Zurich are smiling.

Socialism fails where it is tried. Have hope.

215 vxbush  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:40am

Once again, Charles, THANK YOU for hosting your site and giving us a venue to discuss all this. You have worked so hard over the last few weeks and I really appreciate what you have done.

216 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:52am
217 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:01am

re: #127 bellamags

The market tanked at the bell this morning, first reality check of how well a socialist agenda will meld into a free market democracy? I think the first 6 months of this administration will be akin to fingernails across a chalkboard 24/7.

218 JamesTKirk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:02am

re: #102 marge45b

I'm glad Yes on 8 passed in CA. My kids are happy (Me too!) They didn't like the idea of two moms or two dads. Civilization is saved.

Well, if you liked that, you'll love all of the other ways the government is about to stick its nose into peoples' private affairs.

/downding

219 cblesz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:12am

He actually has to start making decisions and cannot avoid them by voting present. Also, he calls for bipartisanship and the first decision he makes is asking Emanuel to be chief of staff. Yup, change we can believe in...

220 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #211 Baelzar

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

DINGDINGDING

221 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:35am

re: #127 bellamags

"This is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause." -Senator Amidala

Link to scene:

222 jill e  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:48am
223 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:52am

re: #195 Iron Fist

You trusted a Democrat? Hey, I've got an investment oppertunity for you. They call it the Brooklin Bridge, and I'll let you have it at a steal of a price...

sub-prime?

224 ggt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:04am
225 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:11am

re: #116 Charles

Now I'm getting hate mail for not hating Obama enough.

Idiots!
No matter how painful today is - that is just plain idiocy.

226 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:15am

Funny, but I woke up with the theme song from the "Poseiden Adventure" in my head..."The Morning After"? We'll survive this and, hopefully, be stronger for it.

227 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:18am

Bobby Jindal in 2012! re: #148 SagamoreGal

228 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:26am

re: #216 taxfreekiller

62 million for the O
55 million for the RIN O

12 million not RINO's sat it out

And the 12 million are probably proud? But, they won't be able to opt out of O's plans for them because they opted out of voting. I spit on them.

229 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:28am

re: #216 taxfreekiller

62 million for the O
55 million for the RIN O

12 million not RINO's sat it out

Now we know who to thank.

230 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #169 Boolz
Boolz - All I can say is what some 62 million voters did: they voted for the socialist/communist/class warfare guy. I honestly don't see them having gone for a right winger. If you see how they would have, please let us know.
I voted for Goldwater and got creamed. I voted for Reagan (who is still my favorite President) but he ran up deficits just as if he were a Democrat. True he did it in a good cause (knowing that the Soviet Union couldn't keep pace and thus brought about the fall of the USSR) but that's hardly fundamental conservatism. I fear we now have a majority - A BIG MAJORITY of voters who just want free stuff and who's critical thinking ability is sorely lacking.
And let's please not forget that Obama had the MSM going for him and MONEY - he outspent McCain 7-1 - do you think a conservative candidate could have raised more money or gotten more even-handed treatment from the MSM? Really?

231 sngnsgt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:41am

This is going to be a long four years. I'm on disability so I don't think B-HO as President is going to affect my life much. If nothing else, I'm going to take advantage of the educational bennies disability provides. Maybe I can get into a good geek school somewhere.

232 JamesTKirk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:53am

re: #125 ploome hineni

...for the first time in American history, someone unambiguously from the political left will be commander-in-chief during wartime.

Woodrow Wilson? FDR? etc.

233 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #211 Baelzar

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

Could not agree more. It's a recipe for defeat.

234 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:05am

re: #171 realwest

Yea - got back on again! Been trying and trying and finally get on when the stats's page shows:

Geez, I wonder if everyone went to lunch in the East Coast and Central time zones! LOL!

RW, I looked a few PUMA sites over, and it looks like they didn't deliver as much as was expected.

But then again, the republican base didn't deliver much either. PUMAs gave us about 4 million votes, a million or so less than what was estimated. But the rep base stayed away or voted for O to the tune of 3-4 million.

That sucks.

235 vxbush  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #211 Baelzar

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

So how would you define what you just bolded? Not fiscal conservatism? Libertarian conservatism? Because I was under the impression that conservatism did include religion as a component, historically. Hence the reason why Bush went with "compassionate conservatism" as a motto.

236 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:14am

re: #208 Dalibama

Want to laugh?
Obama can't find his aunt in Boston, but he's going to find Osama Bin Laden. (Me)


I love it.

237 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:18am

re: #227 apachegunner

GET REAL!

238 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:20am

Thank God you are back up, Charles.

Everyone in the USA (ok, half of everyone) was jonesing to commiserate with our fellow lizardoids the morning after.

THANK YOU FOR LGF, Charles. You are awesome.

239 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

For me, it was a reaction to his election, not your post, and certainly no reflection on you or LGF. I seriously do not like the man and his political ideas.

I'm so glad to see LGF back up and running this morning. It's the best place I've found for an exchange of ideas as well as news. Charles, you have such a wonderful community here. Thank you.

240 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #204 taxfreekiller

Obama,

Walking point now, heads up, its not all good, but you are the first to hear.

tfk has tail gunner? covering our backs?

241 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #198 FrogMarch

THE left are salivating to take fascistic measures to kill any speech that isn't pro-democrat.


fixed

242 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:47am

Folks, one thing we need to do is stop thinking that this is going to be corrected in four years. It won't be, no matter how poorly Obama does and how massively he's defeated. We are in for a long, hard slog. Every single aspect of our society has been infiltrated and turned to the promotion of the Leftist, anti-American agenda. We need a plan to turn things around. Time frame: as long as it takes.

And we need to begin by taking a long, hard look at ourselves. Are WE united in our understanding of, and commitment to, liberty and the principles that made this country great? Or have we become distracted by the temptation to legislate morality and religious belief? And what about corporate welfare? It's one thing to provide conditions for business to thrive, but just because we are pro-business should we be constantly bailing out failing companies? If welfare isn't good for individuals, how is it good for business?

I agree with joncelli (#43) on the things we need to focus on. I would add: Education must now be a top priority. Educating people on our Constitution, our founding principles and the history and reasoning behind them, on capitalism and economic fundamentals, on the fragility and preciousness of liberty.

It will not do for us to continue to denigrate education, especially university education, as "elitist." Just because we don't like the direction education has taken in this country in the past several decades is no excuse for downplaying its importance. We MUST get more conservative students into colleges. We MUST get more conservative educators into the system at all levels. We MUST start teaching children logical, critical thinking and the fundamentals of the American Way again. The longer we put this off, the harder it's going to be to turn things around.

243 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:35:57am

re: #233 Charles

True Conservatism is tolerant, beyond a few things, such as acting civil.

244 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:36:17am

If Republicans want to win again, we need to return to conservatism. Even CA agrees.

245 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:36:24am

The Obama campaign did an excellent job packaging and selling their product. Yes, I am calling the President-elect of the United States a product; for he is, at least the version that people voted for, every bit as much as the products that you buy in the store. The Obama that my coworkers voted for is a media image, carefully framed and highlighted such that the ignorant - whether willfully or unintentionally - never saw the true picture. Now, however, there is no hiding the real Obama, and the world will know him for what he is. What that is remains to be seen - he could surprise us all. I doubt it. My heart tells me that many, many people are going to learn a hard lesson about casting away their votes for empty promises of HOPECHANGEWAFFLES. My heart also tells me that these same people will just as quickly forget that lesson when The Next Messiah rises up to try to sell the same package. Too many Americans vote with their heart and not their head, and that is the fundamental failure of Election Days 2008.

246 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:36:39am

re: #214 bloodnok

Socialism fails where it is tried. Have hope.

The problem is, you don't want to be anywhere near the neighborhood when socialism fails.

247 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:37:14am
248 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:37:21am

re: #227 apachegunner

Bobby Jindal in 2012!

WHY?

249 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:38:02am

BBL

250 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:38:04am

re: #199 Kenneth

but, but, but, Kenneth, according to the Jerusalem Post, Obama is the First Jewish President! Evidence of his "mastery" of Judaism no doubt consists in his flawless recitation of the Adnan, plus, of course, his hanging out with terrorists/misfits/liars and frauds...and if/when the Iranians finally get nukes and wipe israel off the map, then everybody can really celebrate his "Jewish soul."

251 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:38:18am

re: #132 SFGoth

Basically, you nail it. The Republicans need to rebuild trust among moderate and conservative secularists. The way to do that is a consistent set of legislative positions for classically conservative positions. These proposals will all lose -- but at least they'll be on record. The party can be rebuilt in 2 years but they have to start NOW.

252 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:38:49am

re: #242 Tigger2005

No- people are not committed to this concept of fighting for the Constitution and American ideals. If they were, they would not quit the party, but instead roll up their sleeves and get in the trenches to correct what's wrong and get the party back on track. Sadly, some would rather quit because it's easier.

253 mikalm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:26am

Couldn't get on last night. Here's what I was going to post:

Congratulations and best wishes to our President-elect. Like him or not, he will be the POTUS, and we need to support him when he's right, and act as a loyal opposition when he's wrong. There's no need to spend the next four years acting like the paranoid, hateful moonbats have been for the last eight.

Thanks to Sen. McCain for his efforts, even though he was my last choice for a Republican nominee. Since I live in a state that was pretty much in the bag for Obama, I cast a protest vote for Libertarian Bob Barr. At this point I hope that the election spurs a house-cleaning in the GOP.

Prayers for our new President, his family, his supporters, his opponents, and all America.

254 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:27am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

Was LGF switched off this morning, or was it just the traffic load?

255 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:29am

re: #227 apachegunner

Bobby Jindal in 2012!

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.

256 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:31am

re: #188 MandyManners

I want a bumper-sticker that is a red sickle-and-hammer with a black line through it.

Perhaps that circle can be the obamessiah's doughnut logo with the hammer and sickle superimposed and then crossed out? Oh, wait that may be too obvious then.

257 Adrenalyn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:38am

if Republicans want to win anything again
they need to spend 800 million like 0bama did
and not be limited to the 84 million McCain used

and republicans need to buy some media outlets
why doesn't T. Boone Pickens buy one for cripes sake

258 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:39:47am

re: #246 aboo-Hoo-Hoo


Ask France about that one... scary

259 CharlieBravo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:13am

"Hamas fires over 35 rockets towards Israel"...(Drudge Report)

That didn't 'change'...

260 JamesTKirk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:18am

re: #32 taejohndo

Already had one person in the office today point out the O is not African American, but is rather, bi-racial. I didn't want to get involved so I left without comment. I wasn't sure of the person's politics or where they planned on going with it -- but I knew it was way too early for me to discuss it.

I'm bi-racial. I've dated white and black women.

261 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:29am

re: #154 snowbunnybutt

I am so sick of the hate. I didn't/don't like obama because of his policies, and nothing more. I was vocal about being behind McCain because of his stance, nothing more. Why is it now I am being attacked with slurs like cracker telling me they hope the "Old man just dies" I have been nothing but respectful. I am getting so sick of it. Anyone else getting this kind of thing?

I just came through the election count as the only working white guy in the building and could not be prouder of my black co-workers on their hard work during the election or their reaction to Obama's win. They felt joy, pride and hope that their man had won. Say what you will about Obama's ideology, but this election has proved that when it comes to civil rights and racism, America is very special. I congratulate 'me workmates for their victory and truly acting as Americans through the process.

262 thedopefishlives  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:34am

re: #227 apachegunner

Bobby Jindal in 2012!

A losing ticket if ever I saw one. Sarah Palin 2012 and maybe we have a chance.

263 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:48am

re: #34 Jetpilot1101


With that being said, I don't want to ever hear again that America is a racist nation. I don't want to hear anyone say they need a handout to get ahead. There is no longer an excuse for not succeeding except your own laziness. In 40 years, this country has come from the civil rights movement and elected a black president. OK liberals, you got what you wanted. GW will be out in January so I don't want to hear you blame Bush anymore. It's your country now, let's see what you can do.

I will not act like a leftist and get mad. Congratulations to Senator Obama. I hope you prove me wrong and do an excellent job.

This is a very good approach. I too will try to give Obama the respect the office of the President deserves, although watching him like a hawk for his various socialist shenanigans probably isn't a bad idea. However, I think his election has established that this country's preoccupation with race has actually gotten worse. I dislike Barry because he is an inexperienced radical leftist, not because he's half black. However, vast chunks of the population ignored all his warts to vote for him solely because he is half-black. Given the kids gloves treatment of him during the election, it won't surprise me if any criticism of his performance as President is also attacked as ipso facto racist. Do we really expect liberals to put down their PC weapons just when they have served them so well? I think everything Barry manages to do will be hailed by his complicit media allies as the greatest achievements ever, while everything he screws up will always be blamed on Bush and/or racism.

264 mikalm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:48am

And P.S. -- Thanks, Charles, for maintaining this site, and guiding it through the overloads of the past two days.

265 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:54am

I'm looking forward to the screams of outrage when the Dems try to tax 401(k)s.

With Democrats controlling Congress now, what new revenue bills can we see coming down the pipeline? Probably a bill concerning 401(k)s. House Democrats are not happy with the loss of investor wealth, the plans' freedom of choice and the size of 402(k) tax deductions for higher-paid workers, and are considering an alternative plan that would replace 401(k)s with a flat tax credit at all income levels, says Investor's Business Daily.

The plan, put forth by Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist teaching at the New School for Social Research in New York, and supported by Reps. George Miller (D-Calif.) and Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) states that:

All workers would get a credit of $600 if they invest 5 percent of their pay into a retirement account run by the Social Security Administration and invested solely in special government bonds paying 3 percent plus inflation.
Existing 401(k)s would be allowed to remain, but contributions and employer matches would no longer be tax-deductible.

Source: [Link: www.ncpa.org...]

266 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:06am

Thank-you Charles, Zombie, and fellow lizards for all you do.

I feel like I'm in good company here.

267 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:09am

re: #256 Quad Mocha Matti

Perhaps that circle can be the obamessiah's doughnut logo with the hammer and sickle superimposed and then crossed out? Oh, wait that may be too obvious then.

I want my disdain of the commie bastard to be as plain as the nose on my face.

268 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:10am

re: #228 SpartanWoman

And the 12 million are probably proud? But, they won't be able to opt out of O's plans for them because they opted out of voting. I spit on them.

I piss on their shoes.

/I don't spit to great,
it gets on my chin.

269 ggt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:15am

re: #142 Charles

Can you link to a guru-dictionary that will help me understand all that?

for things I do understand:

Will the ad revenue generated by the increased traffic pay for it?

270 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:19am

re: #235 vxbush

So how would you define what you just bolded? Not fiscal conservatism? Libertarian conservatism? Because I was under the impression that conservatism did include religion as a component, historically. Hence the reason why Bush went with "compassionate conservatism" as a motto.

Historically it may have because historically Religion held great sway over governance, although I would dare to say that aristocrats generally were not terribly religious. Conservatarian -- as long as I'm not harming anyone else, let me do my thing and leave me alone. If that means after a hard day defending property rights from the S.F. Bd of Stupidvisors I want to smoke a joint, so be it as long as I don't drive. Bush went with CC because it sounded good but was meaningless rhetoric. It's bullshit to say seculars/agnostics/atheists cannot be moral.

271 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:21am

re: #42 FrogMarch

Did you hear the story about him stabbing the steak knives into the table, saying "DEAD!" with each name?

That's a cheery picture. CHANGE!

/+

272 avspatti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:24am

I know this is petty, but I don't care. My first bit of action will be to cancel the local newspapers. Already I have downsized them to Saturdays and Sundays only, but now they are not getting one more cent from me. They make me sick.

273 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:25am
274 razorbacker  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:28am

Evidence, if more were needed, that I am further outside the mainstream of political thought than I had hoped to be.

275 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:39am

re: #248 MandyManners
I kinda like him, tell me who is better?

276 jill e  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:40am

Commenter on The Anchoress this morning:

I feel like someone who just left her baby in the care of a total stranger.

277 snowbunnybutt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:44am

re: #178 MandyManners

Who's calling you a "cracker"?

Several of the people who knew I was for McCain, race had nothing to do with not voting for obama, it was his policies. They didn't want to hear why I was for McCain, all they heard was I was not for obama. Now because I was not on the bandwagon, they are trying to hurt me. These are people, who I disagreed with, I thought were my "friends" people in my town.

278 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:52am

re: #132 SFGoth

yes, 72 is old, even if he’s in shape for an old man) who while more communicative than Bush, still can’t grasp important concepts well enough to bend them as necessary on the stump.

This is not "oldness". This is just not being sharp enough. When did he ever have a grasp? He has always been limited. Show me a time when he had it better. It should have been Giuliani. Younger, yes, by eight years. But Republicans just need to quit pulling punches. "Kill" the enemy, don't compromise with him.

279 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:56am

re: #6 apachegunner

I've turned the flag at the end of my driveway upside down, it will fly that way until 2010 at least. The nation is truly in distress.

i'm taking the stars & stripes to the cleaners, then putting it away. from now on, i'm flying the POW/MIA flag only, until we are no longer prisoners in our own country.

/either that, or they come to get me.

280 oronpam  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:00am

I couldn't even get into LGF all morning...figured the fairness doctrine had already kicked in and we were being merged with KOS/

281 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #250 J.S.


but, but, but, Kenneth, according to the Jerusalem Post, Obama is the First Jewish President!

! You've got to be kidding? Link? (then again, I'm not sure I want to read it)

282 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:13am

re: #211 Baelzar


Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

Huh? I haven't listened to every word he spoke today, but I heard much more about smaller gov't and lower taxes than abortion. I think you're projecting.

283 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:13am

OK. System load seems to be leveling out. Still very high, but not in the red zone.

284 Boolz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:14am

re: #230 realwest

once again, if it's a choice between two folks who promise everybody something, why not take the guy that promises more?

285 J Doc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:18am

No, I am not going to join the bandwagon and wish Sen. Obama well this morning. Anything he does well will cost me money, cost the country its position in the world, and will cause irreparable harm to the constitution. So no, I will not wish him luck.

286 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:29am

re: #4 Kerr Avon

I have a bad cold and am loaded with Dayquil so I'm not sure I pass the 'sentient' test. But I still think my head is clearer than the 18-29 demographic that overwhelmingly went for Obama.

They're young. They'll learn.

Fast.

287 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:39am

re: #211 BaelzarA result of their listener base.

288 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:40am

re: #262 thedopefishlives
both, I wouldn't care who was on the top of the ticket

289 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #142 Charles
All the more reason for us all to hit the Tip Jar! Damnit, Charles works his butt off here and some of us have hit the tip jar over the several years we've been around here, but I'm starting to think that with (a guess here) 25,000 registered users, if just HALF of us donated just $25 a month to Charles that would be, uh, waitaminute I'm trying to do math here...
uh, well certainly more than Charles' monthly mortgage payment!
C'mon y'all hit that damn tip jar! And I'll let you all in on a secret - if you don't want to use a credit card for Paypal, there's an address to which you can send a check!
If you e-mail Charles he'll give you the snail mail addy (hopefully after he checks that your a lizard in good standing, not some sleeper moby!)!

290 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:41am

re: #216 taxfreekiller

62 million for the O
55 million for the RIN O

12 million not RINO's sat it out

Where did you get that number?

291 so.cal.swede  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:44am

These 4 years will be fun, watching moonbat heads explode when Mr Hussein turns out to be just like The Who song predicted.

The only thing i'm really worried about though, is the US support of Israel. I could see Barry'O being a bleeding heart for Hamasistan.

292 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:53am

re: #233 Charles

Could not agree more. It's a recipe for defeat.

Well, for one thing, they don't seem particularly practical. If 12 mil. sat out (and I stopped going to WND when they urged everyone to sit out starting last summer just to make a point - and I actually don't know whether they changed their stand by general election time and, if so, whether everybody got the memo), then they aren't going to work for what they want (convince people), they're just going to take their bat and ball and go home. I know the exact mirror image of that on the left - I hang out with them all the time. And they will do more cutting off of their noses over Prop 8... I can see it coming.

293 ledger1  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:42:59am

From East coast to West coast an Iron Curtain has descended.

Unfortunately, those caught in the middle are the ones in "East Germany."

With all three branches of government going to the liberals, there are no “checks and balances.” The Judiciary will soon be loaded with extremists.

I fear the purge will begin. It will not be the Nazis rounding up people in the day but the KGB style of "the knock on the door at night." Tax returns, DMV/BMV records, bank records and voting records will be inspected and retaliation will occur.

The military will be defunded and we will probably lose the war.

Winston Churchill was right.

The “National Citizens Police” will assert themselves in a slow but firm fashion.

Obama’s political allies will attack his political foes. They will be savaged.

Taxes will go up.

Re-distribution will occur as the various calls for repatriations come.

The Media Oligopoly has shown its power and it will become stronger.

It doesn’t look pretty.

The MSM has become the new Politburo.

I trust Charles will be monitoring them.

I will not be watching any CNN, NBC, or cBS.

294 NCusTranshumanist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:00am

re: #26 Fast Eddie

Charles may want to check under his car occasionally. Don't think Oba or the media have forgotten what he did to Rather.

295 Rednek  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:12am

re: #148 SagamoreGal

- The Dems/Socialists/Pacifists/Secularists have a firm mind-control grip on our students’ learning and reasoning skills from kindergarten level to the post-graduate level. We are seeing this in our 20 and 30-year olds now, and it will only get worse. No matter how much you good Christian parents try to instill your values into your child’s moral fiber, they are away from you more than they are with you. How many left-leaning parents have right-leaning children? The number would be miniscule. We all know the sad tales of right-leaning parents with children who would never dream of voting for a Republican.

This is the core problem. The rot in our educational system is a problem of immense proportions with long term serious consequences. I don't know what can be done about it. I have watched this tsunami build and it hasn't peaked yet.

296 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:13am

People keep bringing up The Fairness Doctrine when talking about, say, technical trouble at this site... but, correct me if I'm wrong here: doesn't the Fairness Doctrine (if it gets passed into law again, and that's a BIG if) only apply to radio and TV? It specifically does not apply to the blogosphere.

True, they might well try to make Fairness Doctrine II apply to the blogosphere, but I don't think that's gonna fly. And if they try to apply it to the blogosphere, the backlash will be huge. Actually, there'll likely be backlash even if they try to bring back a direct, exact, unchanged clone of the original Fairness Doctrine...

297 lurking faith  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:15am

I've been feeling sorry for the hamsters all morning, but not so sorry that I didn't try, many times, to reach the site.

Yeah, I know, IE is the wrong browser, but I can't add software at will here at work.

It's a sad day for lovers of freedom and believers in individual rights. I plan to mourn for a bit, but then it'll be time to gear up for the next fight. That's 2010 for Congress, and for some states (such as Virginia) it's 2009 for major state offices.

By 2010, people will have begun to realize how badly the new taxes can hurt them.

298 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #211 Baelzar

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

However, a respect for life should also be a component of it, regardless of religious or non-religious affiliation. Part of the problem is that the press tends to pigeonhole conservatives specifically via their religious choices, and not by their small government, low tax, strong defense stances. Look at how they treated Mitt Romney. Romney's religion became the front and center issue for them, rather than anything else.

That said, there are three legs to the Reagan coalition: fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and defense hawks. We let the idea of fiscal conservatism fall by the wayside after Newt left the Speakership. Each one must be moderate to the other, or the coalition does not work. Without fiscal conservatism, the tripod collapsed.

299 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:27am

re: #20 Charles

Yikes. Server load is soaring. Hopefully we'll be able to get that new web server in place soon.

I see that a whole lot of people dinged down my posts about Obama last night. I hope that was a reaction to his election, and not because my posts weren't full of doom and anger.

I'm afraid that he is going to do something to show us who's really in charge. And I'm afraid that someone is going to be seriously hurt or killed as a result.

The Waco Massacre keeps coming to mind here.

300 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:28am

re: #275 apachegunner

I kinda like him, tell me who is better?

Palin. Steele. Romney. Rudy.

301 saberry0530  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:32am

re: #283 Charles

BOTS?

302 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:37am

The Future Republican:

[Link: chicagoboyz.net...]

303 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:47am

re: #255 Charles
well, apparently you've read more about him than I. I will study harder chief.

304 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:54am

re: #181 Kyle_st

Oh, come on. Something else must be going on. Are you sure you're not under a chronic, low-grade DoS attack? It seems that the 'break' between when we could reach your site, and now, was rather sudden a couple of weeks ago, with nothing to clearly account for it (the 'election' season wouldn't be it). No Rathergate-type posts, nothing like that.

Just a thought from a loyal reader.

You seem to know a lot about servers.

/

305 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #277 snowbunnybutt

Several of the people who knew I was for McCain, race had nothing to do with not voting for obama, it was his policies. They didn't want to hear why I was for McCain, all they heard was I was not for obama. Now because I was not on the bandwagon, they are trying to hurt me. These are people, who I disagreed with, I thought were my "friends" people in my town.

That must sting. I'm sorry.

306 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:59am

re: #283 Charles

OK. System load seems to be leveling out. Still very high, but not in the red zone.

Current stats:

Now Online: 4,829
Logged in: 409

307 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:02am

sorry, posting to get new comments. secretly afraid to refresh and get kicked off!

308 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:09am

re: #271 capitalist piglet

Did you hear the story about him stabbing the steak knives into the table, saying "DEAD!" with each name?

That's a cheery picture. CHANGE!

/+

Obama will generate his power from the crazy left.

309 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:22am

Here is what will happen: by the end of January, Americans will finally wake up to the fact that Obama is the worst president ever. Even the press that would gladly go on their hands and knees to lick his shoes will not be able to cover for him (and how they will try!). Obama's credibility, along with the media and all the useless celebrities, will go down the tubes. Obama will have no one to blame but himself for his downfall: not the electorate who voted for him because of his skin colour (let's be honest), not the press who shilled for him (we haven't forgotten the tape), not the House of Representatives, not even foreign influences. Before his term is up, the American people will gladly vote for Palin or anyone else tired of being robbed blind by a man who doesn't even give Christmas presents to his kids.
There- don't you feel better already? I do.

310 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:34am

re: #255 Charles
also, the GOP has lost many people already, what's another one?

311 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:40am

I've been pondering this since last night, when I changed the tag line on my blog to include the following: A member of the loyal opposition since November 4, 2008.

What do we want to stand for? What's most important to us? What's most important to sustain and improve the nation and to ensure that it remains the shining city on the hill?

In no particular order:
1) strong national defense
2) a tax environment that encourages business growth and economic development, including a simplification of the income tax code to encourage all businesses and individuals - not just those chosen to benefit from tax credits or deductions
3) smaller government - because government is not the cure to what ails this nation - private innovation and entrepreneurial skill is what makes this nation the envy of all others.

On that latter point, envy drives much of the global dislike of the nation, so that no matter who is in the WH, they will face a hostile globe from places like Iran, Russia, China, the ME, and Latin American banana republic dictatorships. Ensuring points 1 and 2 will not only sustain and encourage us, but it will stand as a beacon to all those around the world who also believe in the concepts that make this nation great. Liberty. Freedom. Justice. Equality under the law.

312 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:42am

re: #190 Arbalest

The election of Obama means that now Obama will have to govern. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and company are now out of business. Political Correctness is dead.

Are you kidding. Political correctness will be the law of the land. We'll be targeted for our speech if we don't toe the line.

313 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:44am

At least the Dem's control of the Senate didn't make the magic 60 they were seeking. The National Republican Senatorial Committee spent $3 - $5 million on television ads in the Mississippi race. Thankfully, we didn't buy they bullshit. Even with the Dems coming out of the woodwork to vote for Obama this election, Republican Roger Wicker prevailed.

314 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:54am
315 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:24am

re: #255 Charles
I've been hearing a lot of favorable talk about Lynn Swann and Michael Steele (especially on the "Midnight Trucking Radio Network" program) for the past couple of months - What's the attitude among the Lizards about either of these two?

316 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:32am

re: #11 FrogMarch

Chuck Schumer (D-NY), in his promotion of the Fairness Doctrine, is equating free speech with pornography. Both must be limited, obviously.

He is committing an error of stupidity; a logical fallacy.

The government can restrict you from yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, but that right does not give the authority to restrict your ability to talk about your opinion of the show.

I believe it's this type of moronity that needs public exposure. Imagine a hundred lizards with signs pointing out with this example that Schumer is a mental midget in front of his offices for a few days.

317 cblesz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:41am

re: #255 Charles

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.


Where is that info...exorcisms cure cancer? BTW, WHO would be your guy, Charles (or woman)

318 hilchar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:46am

This morning on my drive to work a caller on the radio was very unhappy. He said that he was discouraged that the south did not go for the big O. He said that racism is not over until all the red states vote blue. I guess this election won't be enough to satisfy the perpetually angry. Nothing will ever be enough.

319 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:50am

re: #23 varmint

Plan A was to win. Not everyone was for Plan A.
For months I would get in these long, drawn-out arguments over McCain. Right wing friends called him a squish moderate. Said that it was best to let him lose. Let the Democrats take the blame for the next four years, and rebuild the party. I saw a problem with this plan. Obama is a dangerous imbecile, and America does not need a dangerous imbecile right now. What will be left of the country to recover in 2012?

But it looks like we really no longer have much choice. Plan B is a go. I've begun a list of people who need to be removed from anything like a decision making position in the conservative movement. John McCain, anyone who worked for McCain, Romney, Elizabeth Dole, Michael Medved, Peggy Noonan, anyone named Bush. A good indicator would be anyone who tries to blame Palin. The ist will grow, I'm sure.

Your text to link...

I completely agree. Way too many people have no idea about the shrieking inflation during the '70s. Who, in his right mind, wants to relive the misery index.

320 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:57am

As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will
serve to give those of you who are under-achieving a “fair shake”.

2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst you. This will help those who are “too busy for overtime” to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.

3. All top management will now be referred to as “the government.” We will not participate in this “pooling” experience because the law doesn't apply to us.

4. The “government” will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging its workers to continue to work hard “for the good of all”.

5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's “good to spread the wealth around”. Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more “patriotic”.

6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?)!

321 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #188 MandyManners

I want a bumper-sticker that is a red sickle-and-hammer with a black line through it.

If you find one, I want it too.

Taped INSIDE my car window is a sign that reads, "I AM JOE." This is far too tame in this new, polarized society.

322 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:04am

A Pakistani friend of mine just sent me an e-mail about how "awe inspiring" Barack Obama's speech was last night.

I replied by saying that I hope President Obama follows through with his pledge to invade of Pakistan.

323 cliffster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:07am

This is the first time I can actually get a post in today! I wanted to echo the many other comments from people saying thanks to Charles for keeping the site up, keeping it pertinent, and keeping it civil. Your hard work is appreciated.

The folks on this site are very mature and classy, and I have grown from being around you. I'm sure I would have been very tempted to be an a**hole to people today if not for the tempering of LGF last night.

324 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:12am
325 sngnsgt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:15am

re: #294 NCusTranshumanist

Charles may want to check under his car occasionally. Don't think Oba-media have forgotten what he did to Rather.

There, fixed.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:23am

re: #296 NomadOfNorad

People keep bringing up The Fairness Doctrine when talking about, say, technical trouble at this site... but, correct me if I'm wrong here: doesn't the Fairness Doctrine (if it gets passed into law again, and that's a BIG if) only apply to radio and TV? It specifically does not apply to the blogosphere.

True, they might well try to make Fairness Doctrine II apply to the blogosphere, but I don't think that's gonna fly. And if they try to apply it to the blogosphere, the backlash will be huge. Actually, there'll likely be backlash even if they try to bring back a direct, exact, unchanged clone of the original Fairness Doctrine...

They can make it apply to the Internet.

327 saberry0530  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:46:37am

re: #289 realwest

All the more reason for us all to hit the Tip Jar! Damnit, Charles works his butt off here and some of us have hit the tip jar over the several years we've been around here, but I'm starting to think that with (a guess here) 25,000 registered users, if just HALF of us donated just $25 a month to Charles that would be, uh, waitaminute I'm trying to do math here...
uh, well certainly more than Charles' monthly mortgage payment!
C'mon y'all hit that damn tip jar! And I'll let you all in on a secret - if you don't want to use a credit card for Paypal, there's an address to which you can send a check!
If you e-mail Charles he'll give you the snail mail addy (hopefully after he checks that your a lizard in good standing, not some sleeper moby!)!

Real, Thats $312,500 dollars in a month. That should be enough for 2 to 3 years of operation.

328 xrayon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:47:02am

I think after the depression most of us are in after last night we are hoping for Charles to lift up our spirits somewhat... could explain the high server load... I have been trying to get on for the past couple of hours.

Anyways, cheer up guys, its not the end of the world... Steven Den Beste has a good article on the matter > [Link: chizumatic.mee.nu...] (apologize if this has already been posted elsewhere).

329 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:47:24am

re: #278 legalpad

This is not "oldness". This is just not being sharp enough. When did he ever have a grasp? He has always been limited. Show me a time when he had it better. It should have been Giuliani. Younger, yes, by eight years. But Republicans just need to quit pulling punches. "Kill" the enemy, don't compromise with him.

What would have been a glorious campaign between Rudy & Barack. I agree with you that McCain has always been limited. No dope, but not facile enough for today's lightening politics style. Rudy would've cleaned Obama's clock. McCain couldn't even explain that the EITC is essentially welfare and he wants to expand it. I really think McCain lost all 3 debates -- people here think he won because they know Obama lost on substance -- but Obama won on appearances among the average idiotic voter.

330 Boolz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:47:42am

re: #230 realwest

and as far as the MSM goes, you just have to deal with it...Constitution guarantees us a free press...not an honest one, not an objective one, not bi-partisan, not everything that people accuse the MSM of being (mostly true, by the way), just free. Start up a paper, a radio or television station and start blasting away at whoever you want. But whining that there are more left wing media outlets than right wing outlets is just sour grapes. It's not their fault they take more advantage out of it than we do. One more thing, remember most people don't TRUST the press, so to say they beguiled us with Obama is a simple answer, but perhaps not the correct one. Once again, Republicans got a LOT of soul searching to do

331 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:48:03am

re: #315 Quad Mocha Matti

I've been hearing a lot of favorable talk about Lynn Swann and Michael Steele (especially on the "Midnight Trucking Radio Network" program) for the past couple of months - What's the attitude among the Lizards about either of these two?

Steele is a stellar candidate. I'd sell my house and work for him if he ran.

332 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:48:08am

re: #234 Intrepid
Yeah, I didn't realize how much of the "base" didn't vote this time around but have heard the figure of 7 million or so thrown around. Probably the same folks who didn't vote on '06 to teach Republicans a lesson.
Just effin' great - ya know I'm embarrassed to be associated with a "base" that's ok with someone saying 9/11 was payback for homosexuals and the like.
And trying to go MUCH further right is only gonna lead to more and bigger losses - it's just ridiculous to be a political party that wants to win something, and base it on personal freedom/responsibility, smaller government and stronger defense by nominating folks who want bigger government to intrude on your private life and want taxpayer funded schools to teach religion!

333 snowgardendream  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:48:12am

I did a bender on my nephews' Halloween candy freely given to their poor depressed aunt. Time to get back on track and fight the good fight that lies ahead. In my dreams I see us, the un-loyal opposition, making noise and organizing big body-count protests when the dems put up their socialist programs for the vote. Do we have it in us or are we just going to stay meek and express our opposition on in ways the media won't cover? I never have been a joiner, just a quiet shy social phobic, but I am fired up and want to start by going to the pro-life march in January when I'm sure Obama will sign the FOC Act...whoops, most traditional media doesn't cover that except for CSPAN. I know not everyone is agreed on that particular issue, so what's the next big thing we should start organizing ourselves now to make big protest noise about?

334 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:48:22am

re: #302 scottishbuzzsaw

The Future Republican:

[Link: chicagoboyz.net...]

Hey Scottish-B.
agreed. Now - if only we can find a few to run for political office.

335 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:48:58am

So what becomes of Joe the Plumber now? He just tries to find another job? What about Sarah? Is she going back to Wasilla, and back to her job?

336 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #332 realwest

Yeah, I didn't realize how much of the "base" didn't vote this time around but have heard the figure of 7 million or so thrown around. Probably the same folks who didn't vote on '06 to teach Republicans a lesson.
Just effin' great - ya know I'm embarrassed to be associated with a "base" that's ok with someone saying 9/11 was payback for homosexuals and the like.
And trying to go MUCH further right is only gonna lead to more and bigger losses - it's just ridiculous to be a political party that wants to win something, and base it on personal freedom/responsibility, smaller government and stronger defense by nominating folks who want bigger government to intrude on your private life and want taxpayer funded schools to teach religion!

Nobody would be good enough for the "base", if there is such a thing.

337 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:09am

re: #315 Quad Mocha Matti

I've been hearing a lot of favorable talk about Lynn Swann and Michael Steele (especially on the "Midnight Trucking Radio Network" program) for the past couple of months - What's the attitude among the Lizards about either of these two?

I love Michael Steele.

338 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:18am

re: #255 Charles

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.

But.. But Charles
Another Moses Messiah that we can support and he receives revelations and move mountains.

/we could really use another revised edition of the 10 commandments on stone tablets.

339 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:22am

re: #300 MandyManners
Rudy is a quitter, Romney didn't make it, I do like Michael Steel I think he is one of the best and I've already agreed with Palin.

340 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:28am

I don't know about anyone else but I have no interest in reading about How We Lost. It's over. I want to hear about how we win next time and the time after that.

341 obageegee  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:29am

I wonder who Spike Lee, Whoppi Goldberg and Danny Glover are going to blame for the next natural disaster.

342 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:50am

re: #311 lawhawk

You should write a book.

343 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:49:53am
344 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:06am

re: #341 obageegee

I wonder who Spike Lee, Whoppi Goldberg and Danny Glover are going to blame for the next natural disaster.

Bush

345 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:20am

re: #316 ErislDysnomia

He is committing an error of stupidity; a logical fallacy.

The government can restrict you from yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, but that right does not give the authority to restrict your ability to talk about your opinion of the show.

I believe it's this type of moronity that needs public exposure. Imagine a hundred lizards with signs pointing out with this example that Schumer is a mental midget in front of his offices for a few days.

If they resurrect the Fairness Doctrine, expect a court challenge this time. People won't take this lying down.

346 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:22am

"Senator 0bama, did you fight for your country in the military?"
"No."
"Have you ever spent years being tortured by enemies of your country?"
"No."
"Have you served in the Senate for over 20 years and rack up numerous legislative achievements?"
"No."
"Is there a battleship named after you?"
"No."
"What do you think qualifies you to be President of the United States?"
"Well, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

347 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:26am

re: #255 Charles

How about Palin/William Russell 2012?

348 jill e  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:31am

I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat -- though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.
—J.R.R. Tolkien

349 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:42am

re: #337 redstateredneck

I love Michael Steele.

I like Lynn Swann also.

350 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:50:50am

re: #338 ibmkeyboard

What? Get real.

351 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:10am

re: #347 DeathtotheSwiss

How about Palin/William Russell 2012?

Oooh, yeah.

352 Dalibama  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #236 ibmkeyboard

Thanks. I came up with it on Sunday. I thought it would have made a great ad, but it was too late and I didn't know who to contact.

Bloggers could have made better ads. I often wondered whether Republicans were even monitoring the blogosphere.

353 Kyle_st  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #304 Charles

You seem to know a lot about servers.

/

Well, not too much actually, but I'd think that any rather sudden and to some degree unexplainable change in traffic would signal the possibility of an attack. Your programming adventures are always a possibility, but you seem to diagnose those fairly quickly. If you don't happen to be an expert in traffic analysis also, perhaps there's someone here who is. I'm not...

Thanks for the great blog, and let's catheterize that bandwidth!

354 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:31am

re: #341 obageegee

I wonder who Spike Lee, Whoppi Goldberg and Danny Glover are going to blame for the next natural disaster.

Bush.

355 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:36am

I've given it a lot of thought. I am withholding all judgment on President in waiting Barack until he gets in office and enacts some policy. As it stands...even with his 'nothing short of abysmal' voting of 'present' and infanticide votes... all of this 'talk' that got him elected, well, that is all politicians do...talk to get elected. Perhaps he will surprise us all and do nothing he has been talking about...*gulp* and disappoint all of his constituants by tacking to the center...

So, until / when he proves me completely wrong, I will offer my support for Mr. President B.O. (My personal bet is that his first policy he passes will change my mind about everything I just wrote...)

/(I know I am pie in the skying, sticking my head in the sand, 'hoping'... and most likely being willfully blind...)

356 cliffster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:36am

re: #289 realwest

All the more reason for us all to hit the Tip Jar!

Where's the tip jar?

357 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:41am

re: #113 MandyManners

I'm sick and tired of the big cities controlling what happens to the rest of the nation.

i certainly share that feeling.

358 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #345 Ward Cleaver

If they resurrect the Fairness Doctrine, expect a court challenge this time. People won't take this lying down.

The courts are rigged. And when Obama selected, unopposed, his next Supreme Court candidate, there will be no recourse. At that point, the Constitution will be whatever the left wants it to be.

359 Aye Pod  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #93 Sharmuta

I smell buyer's remorse coming within a year.

I'm sure I detected a nervous ripple go through the audience during his acceptance speech when he spoke about taking down Americas enemies. I'm sure a lot of them were thinking "He doesn't really mean that...does he?" It could be that the moonbat element of his support is going to hate him more than they ever hated Bush, once things get tasty. They expect someone like Bush to do things they hate - they expect something very different from Obama, and I don't think they're going to get it. I can almost hear them detailing the awful pain of their betrayal and disappointment on Huffpo already. What's worse for them, when the honeymoon ends they'll find that the sort of easy smear weapons they have used against Bush won't work against Obama. It's possible that you guys may come to like him the way conservatives in the UK came to like Blair.

On the other hand he could turn out to be worse than Carter, and an absolute delight to the moonbats out there - I guess that would be the 'Eeyore' position at this point? As an optimist I'm hoping otherwise, and wish Obama every success in his new job.

360 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:10am

I for one plan to fully exploit Obama's changes to suck every bit out of his system. The larger a drain, the less they can offer and the sooner it will collapse.

361 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:29am

re: #340 SurferDoc

Well, it's only been about 16 hours. How We Lost usually comes before How We Win Next Time. Those who don't know their history...

362 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #339 apachegunner

Romney is certainly running again. I suspect so is Palin. we shall see. The next 4 years will seem like a long time.

363 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:44am

re: #335 Ward Cleaver


Yep she won in her state

364 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:52:56am

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

NOTED! The question begs, as co-conspirator, will the MSM remain on the point for this hope and change the constitution attempt which most surely will occur over the next 4 years?

365 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:00am

Actually I was thire: #181 Kyle_st

snip Are you sure you're not under a chronic, low-grade DoS attack? snip

Just a thought from a loyal reader.

Actually that was my thought as I tried to get on. Several other "Right of Center" blogs were failing to load as well.

Sadly the real DOS attacks are being plotted by Chuck Schumer et al _right now_.

366 Dianna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:09am

re: #183 Sharmuta

Who, me? No- I love quitters. I hope as many people as possible quit the republicans so we can have 100 years of liberal-leftist rule because some people find quitting easier than fighting for ideals.

Ow.

Well, I'm not quitting.

367 cliffster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:28am

Let's put together a good list of things Barack promised. And it needs to be held over his head every day of his presidency.

368 ggt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:29am

re: #166 DistantThunder

Barry is a 5 year old who has just been handed a leash with a bull mastiff on the other end.

I don't know if that is a good analogy. Every bull mastiff I've known loves children and would be very gentle with a 5 year old.

Perhaps a blue tick coon-hound. Loves children, but that G-d help the person on the end of a leash if a coon is in the area.

369 Boolz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #341 obageegee

I wonder who Spike Lee, Whoppi Goldberg and Danny Glover are going to blame for the next natural disaster.

The Supreme Court, of course

370 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #271 capitalist piglet

Did you hear the story about him stabbing the steak knives into the table, saying "DEAD!" with each name?

That's a cheery picture. CHANGE!

/+

where did you hear this?

371 Peacekeeper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:46am

Was he thinking of the GOP majority?


I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.
William Shakespeare

372 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:53:47am
373 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:02am

re: #358 hermeneutics

The courts are rigged. And when Obama selected, unopposed, his next Supreme Court candidate, there will be no recourse. At that point, the Constitution will be whatever the left wants it to be.

If he replaces one lib with another (balance stays the same), then we'll have a chance.

374 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:23am

re: #370 Outrider

where did you hear this?

ROlling Stone magazine. I don't have the URL.

375 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:31am

re: #362 Kenneth
it begins now

376 snowbunnybutt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:54am

there is no joy in saying "I told you so" when it affects everyone not just them. That is what I fear will happen in the next few years. "I told you so" will be common, and there will be no joy in it. I know there never should be, but hey, we are human right? LOL

377 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #370 Outrider

where did you hear this?

Rush

378 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:55am

Forget 2012. Obama will get a 4 year honeymoon and people will believe him when he says he needs another term to fix all of Bush's mistakes. Besides, the Republican brand will still be dead. Until the party fixes its image and positions, it won't win the Presidency.

379 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:54:56am

It amazes me how almost everyone is focusing on the presidential election in 2012. The next battle royal, and last ditch defense is two years away in 2010, you better focus there first folks. This is a chronic failing of the republican party -- we must have a great leader to take us out of the wilderness or something. We need to lose that mentality and start practicing the personal responsibility and ownership that we always preach but do not practice.

380 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:01am

re: #360 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I for one plan to fully exploit Obama's changes to suck every bit out of his system. The larger a drain, the less they can offer and the sooner it will collapse.

They're planning to bribe me with a thousand dollars. Hahahaha...he should know that yes, I'll take his money to pay off debt, but no I will not vote for him in the future.

381 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:07am

re: #373 Ward Cleaver

If he replaces one lib with another (balance stays the same), then we'll have a chance.

He can replace an ineffective lib with a rabid one. And, of course, a conservative could die or step down.

It can get worse.

382 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:12am

I, for one, agree with Rush's thoughts today on the worthlessness of taking a conciliatory tone.

Rush points out that it's not only ineffective (it won't change how conservatives are viewed), it's counterproductive.

383 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:22am

Guys, I will return when you have gained heart, this is not the end of the world, and I see no reason to get worked up over what cannot be changed. I do recommend any gun purchases be made damn fast though! You want have the chance in three months...

384 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:29am

re: #262 thedopefishlives

Giuliani can win in 2012, but he needs to work on that project starting now. He is sharp enough to have a vision, and convey it to others.

385 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:31am

No the Supremes will be lib and above blame soon.

386 Giya  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:39am

Not sure if anyone else has already posted this, but Steven Den Beste's voice has sounded from the deep. He has a post up on the elections. While it is so refreshing to hear Steven and while I hope that most of his predictions on the next 4 years are correct, for Israel's sake I hope that they are not.

Not the end of the world

For those of you who don't know who Steven Den Beste is or the USS Clueless, you have some required reading to do. Steven was probably THE brightest writer on the blogosphere. His "Best of" writings on the archives of the USS Clueless are incredible.

387 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:50am

This just in - courtesy of Orbusmax.com:

How um, convenient for this to happen. Of course, Multnomah County just happens to be "blessed" by the presence of Portland (OR) within its borders!

388 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:54am

I guess Spike Lee was right, this really was 'deortained".

389 NoSubmission  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:58am

Congratulations to a man with a paper-thin resume and whose associations are so bad that he wouldn’t pass security clearance for a menial job in the State Department.

1057 days to go..and counting..

390 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:55:59am

For all the money spent and all the media support that Obama received, his actual vote count is rather underwhelming.

391 nnorb  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:17am

re: #21 collegeguy85

After I promised Cuban cigars if McCain won, the fact that they are still sitting in my humidor is one of two bright spots today.

The second is that the dems don't have fillibuster proof control of the entire fed gov.

Look on the bright side. Now that Obama will be entering that office, we can look forward to "normallized" relations with Cuba and the free trade of Cuban cigars.

392 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:19am

I'm already beginning to see people calling for Bobby Jindal to step forward and be the next rising star.

But if you think Sarah Palin got a raw deal from the media (which she did) for her creationist and fundamental religious beliefs, think about this for a minute.

Palin actually came out and explicitly said she would not push creationism into schools, and she was true to her word.

Jindal, on the other hand, has actually signed into law a stealth creationist bill sponsored by the Discovery Institute that will allow sneaking creationism into Louisiana schools. This is activism on a scale Palin didn't even approach.

And Jindal is on record with his belief in exorcism as a way to cure people of illness.

[Link: www.newoxfordreview.org...]

He's a disaster. If he's the nominee in 2012, say hello to another four years of Obama.

393 luzbone  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:30am

Hi all. I haven't posted in…I don't know how long. See some familiar names out there. Sharmuta, Kilgore Trout, Mandy Manners. lawhawk, christheprofessor, realwest, et al.

I haven't posted because I am fed up with polarization and I don't want to be a pole (although my grandfather was Polish). LGF always felt like home to me, partly due to the community that developed and the contacts and friendships that I made. Also because of how LGF and Charles evolved. It mirrored what was going on in me. I tended to lean left, or what I considered to be progressive etc. Not in a stupid way, but in a way that, I would like to imagine, I would have done what I could in the Civil Rights movement in the '60s (I was too young.) In the manner that Commentary Magazine used to be a left-wing journal and evolved into a neo-conservative journal.

I don't think it is going to make any difference that Obama is President. I watched some of his acceptance speech and saw young people laughing and crying, filled with optimism. I miss this optimism.

What good did Bush do over the last 2-3 years. Where was his leadership?

I think it is cool that there is a (half) black president of the US. I am cynical about the process and don't think it would have mattered who won.

There will be some surprises over the next while. Some of them scary. Maybe some of them good.

I remember when Bush was elected and I thought he was a twit. Then after 9-11 he gave some of the most inspirational speeches and leadership that we have seen from a president. How long did that last? A couple of years? What happened to him? What happened to his passion? He was a second term president with "political capital", he could have done anything. Instead he became one of the most unpopular presidents.

Often when a party is low in popularity they throw out a sacrificial lamb that they know will lose because they know that the party will lose. McCain was going to lose. You had to know that when you compared his presence to Obama.

I don't thing that Obama is something to cry or be angry about and I don't think that the US is going to become a communist nation.

As far as Israel goes, I think that he will be as good and as bad as every other president. Hopefully he doesn't try to be too "good" (like Clinton and Oslo).

These are just thoughts thrown out. I am not here to argue.

Mostly I just want to resurface and say hi from Canada.

394 gregg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:31am

re: #360 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I for one plan to fully exploit Obama's changes to suck every bit out of his system. The larger a drain, the less they can offer and the sooner it will collapse.

Me too - the incentive to work hard has certainly been diminished.

395 BakaRanger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:34am

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

396 readytofight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:39am

RE: 213

JFK made the reference below in a speech not too long before he was killed. Taylor Caldwell, author, also references them in her fiction book, Captains and Kings--I guess the short definition would be: Those who really control things behind the scenes. Made up of Repubs., Dems, Indep. etc. Think Bankers also.


For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

397 stevieray  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:40am

re: #296 NomadOfNorad

People keep bringing up The Fairness Doctrine when talking about, say, technical trouble at this site... but, correct me if I'm wrong here: doesn't the Fairness Doctrine (if it gets passed into law again, and that's a BIG if) only apply to radio and TV? It specifically does not apply to the blogosphere.

True, they might well try to make Fairness Doctrine II apply to the blogosphere, but I don't think that's gonna fly. And if they try to apply it to the blogosphere, the backlash will be huge. Actually, there'll likely be backlash even if they try to bring back a direct, exact, unchanged clone of the original Fairness Doctrine...

They won't try to apply the Fairness Doctrine to the internet, they will do something more subtle, like allow/force a "tiered web" system, where a user gets only a "basic web" service of a few hundred hand-picked major media websites for the current low price, and if they want "full web" service they pay a surcharge. They will try to reward the MSM by directing most web traffic back to the media big boys, thereby starving the insolent blogosphere of both viewership and influence.

398 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:47am

We lost because too many on the right would rather we suffer a marxist so we "learn a lesson".

399 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:48am

re: #360 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I for one plan to fully exploit Obama's changes to suck every bit out of his system. The larger a drain, the less they can offer and the sooner it will collapse.

You mean, the strategy written about in the 60's by those two radical Columbia professors that the left has been using ever since then?

400 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:52am

re: #278 legalpad

This is not "oldness". This is just not being sharp enough. When did he ever have a grasp? He has always been limited. Show me a time when he had it better. It should have been Giuliani. Younger, yes, by eight years. But Republicans just need to quit pulling punches. "Kill" the enemy, don't compromise with him.

I was for Giuliani, but the self-appointed "true conservatives" took care of that. When we got McCain (kind of ironic, because they hated him too), I supported him.

In any case, here we are. What do we do now?

401 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:57am

re: #370 Outrider


re: #271 capitalist piglet

Did you hear the story about him stabbing the steak knives into the table, saying "DEAD!" with each name?

That's a cheery picture. CHANGE!

/+

where did you hear this?

Right here

402 Adrenalyn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:01am

well, invest your money in India
New-0bamastan (formerly USA) is going to raise tax rates and foreign investment will dry up and go to a more friendly country, like India

then middle class America will stop buying luxury items
(those made in America)
and their money will be redistributed to the poor
who will buy more cheap imported crap at Wal Mart
and send more mfg jobs from the USA

and the spiral spins and spins

mister and missus middle class will no loner be able to afford:
using dry cleaners
using a yard care service
going out to dinner
and on and on
and the trickle down will stop

then investment will really start to dry up

good luck dear leader is all I can say

403 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:03am

Post election must-read

404 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:05am

re: #337 redstateredneck

I love Michael Steele.

I like both. Steele is solid...LOL
/pun intended

405 HillJack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:06am

Ok, deeep breaths, calming thoughts and here we go. I just saw former Chicago Mayor David Dinkus ( I kill myself!) on Fox News reminding all of us that even though some people elected a black man as POTUS the United States is still a racist country. I truly believe that it was time for the Presidency to be open to all races and sexes, but I also believe that the wrong black man was elected (where are you J.C. Watts?!). At any rate I would ask that all of us bombard the office of the Minority Leader, Mitch McConell(sp?), with e-mails and letters urging him to become the biggest obstructionist in the history of the US Senate. This small band of Republicans are our only buffer against the liberal agenda that Pelosi and the other Dem Vampires will try to slam down our throats. Face it folks the last 8 years has dealt a huge blow to the conservative movement. George and his buddies have done about all they could to destroy it. We are not dead but it will be a huge job to bring it back to where it was in 1984. Keep your heads up and remember one thing, the rest of the world loves us again! (I think I am going to be sick)

406 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:19am

I'm not quitting the Republican Party, the Republican Party quit me. I don't support massive social spending, nation building in Muslim countries, religiosity in government, open borders (well, the Lib party favors that too so I'm screwed), porkmarks, or hypocrites who engage in gay bashing and end up being outed in public bathrooms or whatnot.

407 El Anti-Idiotario  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:32am

re: #148 SagamoreGal


- As long as we are an Israel-supporting party, the world will continue to laugh at us and only see us bible-thumping Christians trying to convert the Jews before the end time . The world hates Israel and hates Jews. Most Jews hate us.-

I find this offensive. As an American, a Republican and a Jew.

408 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:37am
409 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:39am
410 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:41am

re: #309 Joan Not of Arc

Here is what will happen: by the end of January, Americans will finally wake up to the fact that Obama is the worst president ever.

Well, that's a bit early. It'll be March or April before he fills out his cabinet. Give him his first 100 days, then we'll see how he's doing.

411 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:57:45am

re: #363 Dustoff-507

Yep she won in her state

I know she's still governor, but I thought I saw a story the other day that said win or lose, she was planning to resign as governor. I hope that's not true. Alaska needs their reformer back.

412 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:01am

re: #285 J Doc

No, I am not going to join the bandwagon and wish Sen. Obama well this morning. Anything he does well will cost me money, cost the country its position in the world, and will cause irreparable harm to the constitution. So no, I will not wish him luck.


As much as I would like to take the higher road, I agree with you - I just can't. I can't say congrats to a Communist who bought this election through the nefarious means that Buzz enumerated, above. I won't wish well a "man" whose family, friends, acquaintances, and pastor hate America and all she stands for.

413 Rednek  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:28am

re: #311 lawhawk

Add to that list:

A return to emphasis of American greatness and promotion of Western philosophy in school

414 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:34am

re: #379 Thanos

It amazes me how almost everyone is focusing on the presidential election in 2012. The next battle royal, and last ditch defense is two years away in 2010, you better focus there first folks. This is a chronic failing of the republican party -- we must have a great leader to take us out of the wilderness or something. We need to lose that mentality and start practicing the personal responsibility and ownership that we always preach but do not practice.

I agree with everything you say ... except, we don't need a great leader. We need an uprising of ordinary people. I want a movement, not a leader. We don't need to be "led" out of the wilderness but rather, each individual Republican must fight her or his way out of the underbrush, and be strengthened in the process.

We need strong individuals.

Obama's most disgusting line in his acceptance speech was this: We are not a nation of individuals.

Are we a gullible mass? A collectivity waiting to be led? A group-thinking, unenlightened crowd? Like hell we are not individuals.

415 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:42am

re: #362 Kenneth

Romney is certainly running again. I suspect so is Palin. we shall see. The next 4 years will seem like a long time.

I support the idea of Romney running again.
I'd rather be done with Palin.

416 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:43am

re: #380 DeathtotheSwiss

They're planning to bribe me with a thousand dollars. Hahahaha...he should know that yes, I'll take his money to pay off debt, but no I will not vote for him in the future.

I'm adjusting all my withholdings and adjusting my assets so I can screw them out of every dollar I can. In return, I'm going to actively search and apply for every dime I can milk out of them. Any program I even remotely can qualify for, I'm gonna tap. At the very least, my paperwork will waste more time. I hope they choke on it.

417 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:45am

re: #406 SFGoth

I'm not quitting the Republican Party, the Republican Party quit me. I don't support massive social spending, nation building in Muslim countries, religiosity in government, open borders (well, the Lib party favors that too so I'm screwed), porkmarks, or hypocrites who engage in gay bashing and end up being outed in public bathrooms or whatnot.

Then get involved in the party and bring it back to where it's supposed to be.

418 ggt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:58:47am

I keep getting emails I have to answer and have dogs that want to go outside.

have a great day all!

419 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:59:01am

re: #332 realwest

BTW - I knew you were upset last night, because you didn't sign off with your usual "I hope to see you all down the road". North Carolina just mystifies me today.

:-(

420 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:59:25am

re: #392 Charles

Agreed.

Lefties will have a field day with his creationism and the exorcism thingy.

421 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:59:36am

re: #395 BakaRanger

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

Scooter for sure.

422 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:59:42am

re: #350 Sharmuta

What? Get real.

We they just elected a Socialist Democrat to the highest office in the land and President for the world.
A defender of the constitution and CIC of all American Armies and Air forces,

and you tell me to get real

Bull Shit.

423 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:59:47am
424 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:07am

re: #406 SFGoth

I'm not quitting the Republican Party, the Republican Party quit me. I don't support massive social spending, nation building in Muslim countries, religiosity in government, open borders (well, the Lib party favors that too so I'm screwed), porkmarks, or hypocrites who engage in gay bashing and end up being outed in public bathrooms or whatnot.

I like you, Goth.

425 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:08am

re: #395 BakaRanger

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

Himself

426 snowgardendream  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:17am

re: #348 jill e

I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat -- though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.
—J.R.R. Tolkien

I was telling my mother that now is the time to be like Solidarity working against the Polish communists. Hopefully, it won't be that long a time to have to see the light again, but those worker's inspired me in what seemed like a hopeless situation.

427 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:27am

For some reason, this song's been playing in my mind today.

428 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #399 ErislDysnomia

You mean, the strategy written about in the 60's by those two radical Columbia professors that the left has been using ever since then?

Well, we cannot argue its effectiveness now. Barry won.

429 BakaRanger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:53am

re: #414 hermeneutics

I agree with everything you say ... except, we don't need a great leader. We need an uprising of ordinary people. I want a movement, not a leader. We don't need to be "led" out of the wilderness but rather, each individual Republican must fight her or his way out of the underbrush, and be strengthened in the process.

We need strong individuals.

Obama's most disgusting line in his acceptance speech was this: We are not a nation of individuals.

Are we a gullible mass? A collectivity waiting to be led? A group-thinking, unenlightened crowd? Like hell we are not individuals.

America is to an Ant Farm as Obama is to Uncle Milton.

430 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:57am

re: #311 lawhawk

I would also add a fourth, Lawhawk.

4. Transparent and clean government. Governmental operations should be transparent. No bribes, graft, or corruption should be tolerated. That means the Ted Stevenses, the George Ryans should be reprimanded quickly, with the possibility of being kicked out of the party. Clean and transparent government will make people trust again.

431 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:00:57am

re: #398 Sharmuta

We lost because too many on the right would rather we suffer a marxist so we "learn a lesson".

And here I thought America had learned the lesson with Carter. Silly me.

432 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:24am

re: #356 cliffster

Where's the tip jar?


Left side under tools/info

433 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:30am

I've got bureaucratic BS to deal with.

Bye.

434 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:34am

re: #392 Charles

I repeat Palin/William Russell, maybe Mitt Romney/William Russell...

I wanted Rudy mind you...but in four years I don't think that'll matter much and he showed some bad decision making skills with his campaign gambit during the primaries. I love Rudy...but I love my country more it seems.

435 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:38am

re: #329 SFGoth

but Obama won on appearances among the average idiotic voter.

Imagery and ideology - that's the election - any election. 0's ideology was "I'll give you money" or "I'll give them money and alleviate your white guilt.

436 Winsmom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:38am

I just want to thank Doppleganglander for making me laugh today. His post on a previous thread said,

"I'm looking forward to a big, fat fuck you to everyone who thinks we're all getting free unicorns that shit rainbows..."

I just hope my rainbow-shitting unicorn comes with a check in it's mouth to pay for my gas and mortgage too.

free unicorns that shit rainbows... ROTFLMAO!

437 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:42am

re: #330 Boolz Sigh. Yeah and public approval of the Democratic controlled congress was at an all time low and they voted for an even more Democratic congress.
I don't know the answer (well I have some thoughts but will keep them to myself as I'm still WAAY too angry to post them) but I didn't see you answer this:
"And let's please not forget that Obama had the MSM going for him and MONEY - he outspent McCain 7-1 - do you think a conservative candidate could have raised more money?"

438 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:43am

re: #411 Ward Cleaver

I know she's still governor, but I thought I saw a story the other day that said win or lose, she was planning to resign as governor. I hope that's not true. Alaska needs their reformer back.

I believe that referred to her resignation as governor if she became vice-president.

439 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:03am

I have an idea where to go from here:

1. Starve the media. Cancel your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, V-Chip the MSM news channels like CNN and MSNBC, and go out of the way to avoid books in Oprah’s Book Club. The MSM got Hussein the Twit elected in part because they hope a Fairness Doctrine will starve out the blogosphere that has been encroaching on them. All the Fairness Doctrines in the world, though, can’t make you give the media organs a thin dime.

2. Tired of William Ayers and his KGB buddies educating your kids? Run for the school board, especially if you are not a creationist. No offense to actual creationists, but Creationism has been the weapon used by liberals to get conservatives off school boards, so we need to deny them this weapon. Far more important is taking civics education back from the Marxists. Once on the school board, you can give the heave-ho to any American History textbook with the word Zinn anywhere in the bibliography. If Marxism stops selling textbooks, the textbook market will stop selling Marxism.

3. When Obama screws up and the Democrats overreach (birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim…), don’t hesitate to remind your smug, triumphalist coworkers, acquaintances, and family members that this is exactly what they voted for. Don’t let them weasel out of their voting behavior’s responsibility for the coming malaise. One of the reasons the Democrats got rewarded for their bad behavior was because 2006 liberal voters trying to weasel out were easily re-directed to blame the current crisis on Bush. Rub their noses in it like you would a dog who peed on the carpet. Make them make the association of Liberal Democrat and screwup.

4. When the Democrats get too deep in the water, it’s time to forget you know how to swim. We’re just *back of hand to forehead* powerless to do anything to bail the Democrats out should their irresponsibility get this nation in trouble. Now, I know that you want to ride in to save the Republic from itself on a white horse. However, this is exactly what the Democrats have been counting on all these years—they f up, we ride in and save the day, and the liberals can nail us for any imperfections in our saving the day. It’s like bailing out your ungrateful slacker daughter when she can’t handle her finances for the millionth time. So what if we sit on our hands this time—make them have to get themselves out of the pickle with no help from us? What’s the worst that can happen? We get blamed? NEWSFLASH–we get blamed anyway.

5. Encourage attrition. Part of the reasons we are still fighting the battles of the 1960s and 1970s is because the Baby Boomers are at their pre-retirement peak of income, and can make donations to groups like MoveOn in order to help them re-create their activist youth. But if something is threatening to make retirement a little harder in the near future, especially for some grasshopper who didn’t save for a rainy day, a lot of these folks may decide to retire while the getting’s good. Twenty and thirty somethings are not counting on things like Social Security anyway. Maybe it’s time to touch the third rail.

Any thoughts?

440 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:10am

re: #407 El Anti-Idiotario

I find this offensive. As an American, a Republican and a Jew.

It's friggin' true. re: #417 Sharmuta

Then get involved in the party and bring it back to where it's supposed to be.

How am I (writ large) supposed to throw out the core of the party? It'd be easier to replace the GOP with the Libertarian party, which may actually happen.

441 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:11am

re: #395 BakaRanger
Don'tcha think Pelosi and her pals will have Bush up on charges?

442 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:16am

re: #416 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm adjusting all my withholdings and adjusting my assets so I can screw them out of every dollar I can. In return, I'm going to actively search and apply for every dime I can milk out of them. Any program I even remotely can qualify for, I'm gonna tap. At the very least, my paperwork will waste more time. I hope they choke on it.

I am in all cash. All investments except my kids' college plans have been liquidated. I'm going to put it in an off-shore. Unfortunately, I have a hefty income and will have to pay oodles more in taxes when the Messiah is inaugurated. My biggest fear is that he'll raise taxes retroactively on investment income.

I only went to cash five or six weeks ago.

443 blame canada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:24am

How long will it be till they pass the fairness doctrine, and shut this website down?

444 hokiecon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:49am

We can't rely on the current public education system to educate our children on the Constitution. A large percentage of history books are wrong about so much of our history because they spin it to the left. We have to educate our own children about principles, liberty, and freedom through our own experiences and through common sense discussion. I've been trying that with my oldest and I believe that I have instilled in her a conservative foundation.

I believe that one big reason for McCains inability to pull it off is due to "extremist" voters. Young people (under 25 or so) voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Guess where they get their political information? Facebook, My Space, MTV. These are the voters that spend more time deciding on what tattoo would look good where than on which politico to vote on. These voters are fairly ignorant on the issues. The other extreme are what I call Intelligentsia Academia. These folks claim to be on the cusp of everything socio-politico, but can't seem to find a job outside of their local college. Guess who also feeds the under 25 crowds? Yeah, you got it.

/trying not to be bitter

445 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:02:50am

re: #148 SagamoreGal

As long as we are an Israel-supporting party, the world will continue to laugh at us and only see us bible-thumping Christians trying to convert the Jews before the end time . The world hates Israel and hates Jews. Most Jews hate us.

This is a horrible statement.

Any Jews who "hate" conservatives only do so out of the disinformation of the MSM they suckle on as their sole source of information.

446 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:03:16am

Just heard FWIW, that Michael Crichton has died.

447 avspatti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:03:18am

Now that the O-man has won, do you think we will ever find out all the stuff he managed to hide? Transcripts, university activities, LA tape, law firm records etc? It may be too late, but I, for one, would like to know. Can he keep this hidden forever?

448 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:03:32am

Well WA did vote to approve assisted suicide. I encourage as many residents of WA to take advantage of this new found freedom.
/Hey looking for bright spots where I can find them

449 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:03:42am

re: #398 Sharmuta

We lost because too many on the right would rather we suffer a marxist so we "learn a lesson".

Some buttes need to be kicked.

450 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:03:48am

re: #424 hermeneutics

I like you, Goth.

Vielen dank, arigato gozaimashita, and blagodariya.

451 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:02am

re: #327 saberry0530
Um, ok, well then I guess you're saying I shouldn't be the treasurer here, right?!?
But just think about it - if we did what I said just once every six months, Charles could cover his new provider expenses, pay his mortgage and buy some decent wine for a change!

452 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:02am

Michael Crichton died today! :(

453 cliffster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:10am

Here's some examples of stuff spewed by BO, that we need to follow:

Obama and Biden will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies.

Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership

Obama and Biden will invest $150 billion over 10 years to:
* advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure
* accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids
* promote development of commercial scale renewable energy
* invest in low emissions coal plants
* and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid

The Obama-Biden plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs.

Obama and Biden will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own

Barack Obama and Joe Biden support doubling federal funding for basic research

Obama and Biden want to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives

454 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:10am

re: #336 SpartanWoman

Nobody would be good enough for the "base", if there is such a thing.

They're still stuck on finding another Reagan and won't vote for anything less.

It's time to start looking forward, scrounging around for who we do have, and throw away the Reagan measuring stick.

Time to move into the new century/millenium, Republicans!

455 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:31am
456 LaMano  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:04:59am

Congratulations Barack Hussein Obama:

1. For bringing Chicago-style political corruption and intimidation to a national level.
2. For raising untold millions of illegal foreign and domestic campaign contributions through a system without even modest levels of controls.
3. For effectively hiding your complete disregard for the Constitution and its irrelevance as written by old, white, European males centuries ago.
4. For calling for a "fundamental transformation" of America and effectively labeling it, "change", while really pedaling an old and discredited Marxist agenda of wealth redistribution and a political philosophy that government should manage its citizenry by taking from each according to his ability and distributing to each according to his needs.
5. For insisting that the Bill of Rights was a modest first step and that a second Bill of Rights is needed to guarantee that all Americans are beneficiaries of certain goods and services regardless of whether they were earned and regardless of whether they must be confiscated from others.
6. For proving that dishonesty and corruption can, at least sometimes, overcome honor and integrity.
7. For proving that symbolism can prevail over substance and competence.
8. For proving that playing the 'race card' can still be an effective strategy in the 21st century.
9. For pinpointing a defining moment in history where American exceptionalism has peaked.
10. For preparing the world for America's unilateral disarmament.
11. For proving the Founding Fathers wrong in their belief that a free press would not be collectively corrupt.
12. For proving the Founding Fathers right in their grave concerns about the "tyranny of the majority'.
13. For demonstrating that we really don't need to be our brother's keeper, or our aunt's or our half-brother's.
14. For demonstrating that charitable giving need not be an individual choice but done through government with the requisite government surcharge, of course.
15. For demonstrating that class-warfare can be an effective political strategy.

457 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:05:11am

re: #439 RememberSekhmet?

I have an idea where to go from here:

1. Starve the media. Cancel your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, V-Chip the MSM news channels like CNN and MSNBC, and go out of the way to avoid books in Oprah’s Book Club. The MSM got Hussein the Twit elected in part because they hope a Fairness Doctrine will starve out the blogosphere that has been encroaching on them. All the Fairness Doctrines in the world, though, can’t make you give the media organs a thin dime.


I've repeatedly called for much more.

We need to start a mass conservative movement to BOYCOTT the MSM and starve it financially bu very visibly and vocally calling for, and actually boycotting, those who advertise in the MSM.

458 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:05:21am

re: #440 SFGoth

How am I (writ large) supposed to throw out the core of the party? It'd be easier to replace the GOP with the Libertarian party, which may actually happen.

1) by bitching on a blog
2) by leaving the party

That will surely rid the party of them. Good luck!

459 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #447 avspatti

Now that the O-man has won, do you think we will ever find out all the stuff he managed to hide? Transcripts, university activities, LA tape, law firm records etc? It may be too late, but I, for one, would like to know. Can he keep this hidden forever?

IMHO, we'll see things bubble up to the surface.

460 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:05:54am

re: #187 saberry0530

snip
Of course, the Mayan calendar could be correct and none of this will really matter in 2012.

Is that the 21st or 23rd of December? Ya know , just for planning purposes.

It's the 21st. Which is intersting because it means the entire date consists of 1s and 2s, and a 0 if you write out the entire four-digit year. The date renders as 12/21/12.

Personally, I think nothing of any particular heft will happen that day, other than lots and lots of people will have their eyeballs glued to their TV sets watching documentaries and stuff on the Mayans and whatnot... and there'll be lotsa silly, cheap collectibles sold around that date, sorta like there were lotsa silly, cheap collectibles sold around Y2K for similar reasons.

461 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:05:58am

target="_blank">#279 redc1c4

i'm taking the stars & stripes to the cleaners, then putting it away. from now on, i'm flying the POW/MIA flag only, until we are no longer prisoners in our own country.

/either that, or they come to get me.

I had thought about that briefly. But, I am an American and an Army retiree. I will still fly the flag and fly it correctly. And this is still my country. The face of it may change, but we will persevere. There are still many more out there just like us, the posters on LGF.

462 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:06:09am

re: #433 The Other Les

I've got bureaucratic BS to deal with.

Bye.

Damn, that might keep you busy for the next 4 years.

463 Kulhwch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:06:16am

Wow, finally got thru ... been trying for hours.

}:)     [My computer said that LGF was stuck behind a firewall!]

464 cliffster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:06:25am

* Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
* Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama and Biden will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
465 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:03am

Wow. President Obama. Aint that a thing. Pretty amazing actually. I don't like they guy but we are living through Historic times, and I'm happy to be around for them.

We have overcomed, We have overcomed...today!

I am glad that the imaginary colored ceiling has been been destroyed, and black victocratism will finally be over.

It is out duty as Americans, to stand behind President Obama, and support our Country.

From the amount of "down dings" on the POTUS Obama thread, I sense that there is going to be a sickness of ODS around here, and within our party and that is just wrong. He IS our president, and we need to support him.

Welcome to Change!

PS: However, if I never hear the word "change" again it will be too soon.

PPS: Does this mean LGF can get back to Islamic Terrorism, and the WOT again?

So

466 Kragar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:07am

re: #442 hermeneutics

I am in all cash. All investments except my kids' college plans have been liquidated. I'm going to put it in an off-shore. Unfortunately, I have a hefty income and will have to pay oodles more in taxes when the Messiah is inaugurated. My biggest fear is that he'll raise taxes retroactively on investment income.

I only went to cash five or six weeks ago.

I hope to be there soon

467 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:28am

re: #439 RememberSekhmet?

Excellent.

468 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:36am

re: #458 Sharmuta

1) by bitching on a blog
2) by leaving the party

That will surely rid the party of them. Good luck!

WTF? I understand the concept of sarcasm, but I have no idea what your underlying meaning is.

469 Dom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:36am

Charles,

Flicking channels last night I hate to admit the BBC had the best coverage, and whenever they went to their Times Square studio they heard from a righty and a lefty blogger who summed up the mood on the web. Someone I never heard of got a mention and so did Ace of Spades but generally the republican blogger had little to report and even started quoting comments she'd read on Twitter and Facebook, not exactly a first class insight into the blogosphere. It seemed like you missed a trick not providing more of your own thoughts although it may have been a conscious choice. I just thought, should you have a chance to read this, that it might be useful to consider the impact your clearly stated opinions might have.

Now for something slightly more muddled.

I'm in the UK, neither a US voter nor so directly impacted by, say, the President's domestic policies, but obviously I'm here because as a pro-US, pro-Israel Brit I have so much in common with this community. I'm sure it's been said and Charles hinted at it with "country first" but I'd like to say, I hope Obama turns out to be not too radical and that he acknowledges the threats from certain other countries, and knows who America's friends are. With the campaign over it's safe to suggest he might be OK. More importantly, I'm as moved as anyone that America has it's first black President and despite having loosely backed the losing side I claim a share in America's pride at this moment finally coming to pass. I hope he stays safe and wish you all the very best. I think John McCain's speech last night was an example of the graciousness that ought to prevail (or return) in American politics.

470 snowbunnybutt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:38am

re: #386 Giya

Not sure if anyone else has already posted this, but Steven Den Beste's voice has sounded from the deep. He has a post up on the elections. While it is so refreshing to hear Steven and while I hope that most of his predictions on the next 4 years are correct, for Israel's sake I hope that they are not.

Not the end of the world

For those of you who don't know who Steven Den Beste is or the USS Clueless, you have some required reading to do. Steven was probably THE brightest writer on the blogosphere. His "Best of" writings on the archives of the USS Clueless are incredible.


unless we go boom! But I hope and pray this is not the case. One other case, is now no one can say no one can get ahead in America. No one has an excuse now. Anyone can get ahead now in America and you can not say different now.

On a sad note.
One thing that kept me straight in HS was the fact that to get so jobs in America, president being one of them, I knew that what I did could come back and bite me in the butt. I can not say that to my kids now. I guess drug use, and association don't matter anymore. Sad sad sad.

471 hermeneutics  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:41am

re: #450 SFGoth

Vielen dank, arigato gozaimashita, and blagodariya.

A simple "takk" to you!

472 subsailor68  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:50am

There is still a big dog out there that isn't being addressed, and probably won't be now: The Community Reinvestment Act (with the Clinton mid- 90s teeth still in place).

I really don't see how we can get the economy back on track if we have an administration that a) supported and lobbied for it and b) never took responsibility for the sad results.

If President-elect Obama and his counterparts in the House and Senate (think Dodd, Franks, Reid, and Pelosi) continue to allow the processes under CRA to go forwards, aren't we - in fact - simply adding to an already tragic problem?

473 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:07:57am

damn, great writer re: #446 Quad Mocha Matti

474 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:08:28am

It's been a hard day's night...

475 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:08:32am

re: #441 apachegunner

I'm hoping the war crimes trials nonsense was just red meat for the leftist faithful. If it isn't, we're in for some serious nastiness.

476 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:08:43am

re: #459 jetprop

IMHO, we'll see things bubble up to the surface.

From the new enemies O will surely be making in the next few years, of course.

477 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:08:45am
478 BigDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:08:53am
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.


Vince Lombardi

479 LaMano  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:05am

re: #459 jetprop

Not a chance. What do you think his Civilian Security Force that equals our military, is all about? The Hitler Obama youth turned out big. Free stuff for anyone that rats.

480 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:17am

re: #449 MandyManners

Some buttes need to be kicked.

I don't know about that. Buttes are rock hard and huge!

481 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:29am

and how about the Mass pot vote huh?

482 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:35am

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483 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:44am

re: #470 snowbunnybutt


On a sad note. One thing that kept me straight in HS was the fact that to get so jobs in America, president being one of them, I knew that what I did could come back and bite me in the butt. I can not say that to my kids now. I guess drug use, and association don't matter anymore. Sad sad sad.

Yet most employers these days require a drug test, and many the hair test that can detect drugs over 90 days prior.

484 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:53am

re: #468 SFGoth

Change comes from within, not from without. Want republicans to nominate people more to your ideals? Get involved in the party rather than abandon it.

485 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:09:54am

re: #148 SagamoreGal

Will the Republican party ever return to its past glories?

Not likely. Here’s why:

...

- As long as we are an Israel-supporting party, the world will continue to laugh at us and only see us bible-thumping Christians trying to convert the Jews before the end time . The world hates Israel and hates Jews. Most Jews hate us.

You're awfully quick to try to throw Israel under the bus in favor of the 9/11 terrorist soulmates who try to attack Israel every day.

There is likely to be a world war soon if Obama's disdain for Israel rears its ugly head in public as quickly as yours has done.

Whatever liberal Jews are thinking, there are almost 6 million Jews in Israel who are threatened almost daily by Ahmadinejad and his fans.

The Republican party isn't going to go along with another Holocaust.

486 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:11:55am

re: #453 cliffster

Yes, it would be instructive if somebody saved a copy of his page o' promises and compared it to what he actually does. I predict a certain level of, shall we say, inconsistency between promises and actions.

487 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:02am

re: #46 Big Steve

Charles...downdings were over results not your words. I would recommend, just as a minor concession to Obama's victory, that you now add his name to the spell check.

0 is already there.

488 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:03am

re: #400 capitalist piglet

In any case, here we are. What do we do now?

Start communicating with our Republican representatives or local Republican Party. Our first task is within the Party. Hammer some sense into "moderates" and those obsessed with whether the Democrats murder their unborn children. It's collateral damage. If you let them get in power they will murder yours. Teach the truth about it, but back burner the interest in legislation until much later. Find or create a foundation whose projects include controlling a broadcast TV network. We need to get into casual media, not just serious news, and we need to get in and promote secular conservative education and religious conservative education, but separately. Grassroots, communities, etc. The Democrats have been doing it long before Obama. We have several elected judgeships in my district that Democrats always win because they are uncontested.

489 Buck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:07am

re: #31 laZardo

Wow. It's been a night.

Maybe it's because I'm in Stage 4 of the Acceptance line...but I am very seriously considering moving to the Daily Kos. I'm sick of always being on a sinking ship.

/needs sense, pronto

Good luck, I have been banned four times from that site. And not for anything more than minor dissent.

490 Baelzar  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:09am

re: #235 vxbush

So how would you define what you just bolded? Not fiscal conservatism? Libertarian conservatism? Because I was under the impression that conservatism did include religion as a component, historically. Hence the reason why Bush went with "compassionate conservatism" as a motto.

The real pandering to the real religious right, the evangelists, intensified under Bush. In my opinion, Palin- who couldn't be more outwardly religious - was a net loss for the campaign.

Rush thinks she should be the poster girl for the Neo-Neo-Conservative party he's envisioning. I think that is a mistake.

491 Rednek  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:31am

re: #395 BakaRanger

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

Great question!

He could pre-empt Obama's pardons.

Mumia! Rezko! Moussoui! How about all those Gitmo detainees!

492 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:56am

re: #485 Adina in Judea

You're awfully quick to try to throw Israel under the bus in favor of the 9/11 terrorist soulmates who try to attack Israel every day.

There is likely to be a world war soon if Obama's disdain for Israel rears its ugly head in public as quickly as yours has done.

Whatever liberal Jews are thinking, there are almost 6 million Jews in Israel who are threatened almost daily by Ahmadinejad and his fans.

The Republican party isn't going to go along with another Holocaust.

The sad news is that misinformed (by MSM) Jews who voted for Obama may indirectly have contributed to a nuclear war in the Mideast. Israel if attacked, if it feels it cannot depend on US for aid, will most likely be compelled to go nuclear.

493 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:13:01am

re: #446 Quad Mocha Matti

Just heard FWIW, that Michael Crichton has died.

A shame. He wrote so many good, informative, and entertaining books. He will be missed.

494 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:13:29am

About demographics, 70% of people with post-graduate degrees voted for Obama. Why? Was Obama that much smarter than McCain? No. Are his policies that much smarter than McCain's? Again, no. But Obama's speeches were more articulate and written at a higher level. The vocabulary and arguments he used were more complex than those used by McCain & Palin. The GOP has got to stop dumbing down their message if they want to attract a broader demographic.

Saying Obama "palled around with terrorists" may have sounded like a good sound bite to some voters, but for too many others it was a laughable phrase which failed to explain the reality of Obama's relationships with Ayers & Khalidi, and was all too easily dismissed by the Obama campaign.

Sometimes, it seems as if the GOP is afraid of appearing intelligent. There are plenty of intelligent conservative writers & thinkers. The Republican Party needs to start listening to them. If they go with a medieval clown like Jindal, they will indeed loose again, deservedly.

495 NCusTranshumanist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:13:48am

re: #148 SagamoreGal


- The [Secularists] have a firm mind-control grip on our students’ learning and reasoning skills from kindergarten level to the post-graduate level.

Hey, include me out! I may be secular (so were the Founding Fathers, whether you want to believe it or not!), but I pour my heart into deprogramming that crap wherever I can.

Oba added christianity to his jive because Americans have shown they want to require a religious test for office, regardless of what the FF had to say about it.

I am way past tolerating this general attitude that "secular" is somewhere on the same trustability level as "convicted child molester".

You want to blame someone, blame the ones who use religion as an all-purpose cover for evildoing, like REVEREND Wright, and countless mosques).

Me, I'm going to figure out what I can do to help the Israelis, who now sit beneath the Sword of Damocles, and the people in places like Thailand, who are suffering attacks from desert dogma variant 3. Probably not a whole lot, but it's worth looking into.

496 lurking faith  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #255 Charles

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.

Don't say that last part too loud, or it will become part of Obama's new healthcare plan. Much cheaper than chemo!
/

497 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:14:29am

re: #477 Iron Fist

You don't throw out the core of the Party. If you want some kind of religious test to weed out the "Christianists" you'll be happier in another Party. The Republicans aren't going to throw out their base. More likely, they will move closer to it. It's not like trying to pull votes from the Democrats is working. Look at where the PUMA vote went.

That's my point. The Republican party is no longer small c conservative, it is big C Conservative. That is neither Barry Goldwater nor Ronald Reagan. That is not traditional, New England-style conservatism (live and let live/thrive and let thrive). Small c conservatism is more akin to the Libertarian Party now, which is much closer to my views and much closer to the middle class's views. The U.S. is *not* a Christian nation anymore. It is a religious-in-some-way/spiritual nation and the GOP will die out if it panders to an evangelical core.

498 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:14:35am

I don't care. And by that, I mean it is America and you can date who ever is willing to go out with you. (I almost said who ever you want, but that never worked out for me! ';)

You know, I have never really liked having noun modifiers in front of American. It is one thing to be proud of your heritage, but we should all be Americans first. Unless you are an Australian first, or a Canadian first, or ... re: #260 JamesTKirk

499 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:15:07am

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

Well, it's only been about 16 hours. How We Lost usually comes before How We Win Next Time. Those who don't know their history...

Spenser: Not to be contentious but I had some of my ex-favorite Conservative pundits telling me how we were going to lose weeks before I voted. I'm over it and ready to move on. The sooner the rest of us get there the better.

500 Aye Pod  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:15:15am

re: #469 Dom

Agreed, 100%.

501 Caboose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:15:39am

I saw Jesse Jackson crying on TV last night. Why? Because he and the other race-baiting poverty pimps must have realized that they, fellow African-Americans to Mr. Obama, were the first casualties of the Obama administration. They were let go last night when the California results put Mr. Obama over the top. Unemployment beckons. There is NO severance package. Asses tossed out on to the pavement.

Al Sharpton, here's your pink slip. Don't let the screen door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
Jesse Jackson, clean out your desk and these fine gentlemen will show you to the door.
Harry Belefonte, we did the tally, man, and your services are no longer needed. Run Venezuela.
Farra-con, hit the road, Jack and don't come back no more no more...

Is it too soon to demand the end of Affirmative Action, since the sky is the limit for African-Americans if they can be elected President of the USA? Their excuses died last night. Color is no longer a barrier to success, so quit using that excuse. You are now going to be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Hope you enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

502 BakaRanger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:16:00am

re: #491 Rednek

Great question!

He could pre-empt Obama's pardons.

Mumia! Rezko! Moussoui! How about all those Gitmo detainees!

LOL! I am hoping that he pardens those border agents that shot the drug trafficer. Jose Alonso Compean is sentenced to 12 years in prison and Ignacio Ramos to 11 years.

503 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:17:02am
504 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:17:02am

re: #497 SFGoth

That's my point. The Republican party is no longer small c conservative, it is big C Conservative. That is neither Barry Goldwater nor Ronald Reagan. That is not traditional, New England-style conservatism (live and let live/thrive and let thrive). Small c conservatism is more akin to the Libertarian Party now, which is much closer to my views and much closer to the middle class's views. The U.S. is *not* a Christian nation anymore. It is a religious-in-some-way/spiritual nation and the GOP will die out if it panders to an evangelical core.

We need a party that upholds the major JudeoChristian values.

If those are held by Christians, Jews, Mormons or anyone else, they are welcome in a Republican party I would be part of.

505 luzbone  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:17:07am

All right then. Put my creaky bones back in the box and float downstream.

Bye.

506 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:17:37am

re: #492 ErislDysnomia

The sad news is that misinformed (by MSM) Jews who voted for Obama may indirectly have contributed to a nuclear war in the Mideast. Israel if attacked, if it feels it cannot depend on US for aid, will most likely be compelled to go nuclear.

It's sad indeed.

They think that the answer is to 'knock heads together' and they don't understand that Israel is against people who would rather die than to see Israel exist.

507 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:18:22am

re: #503 Iron Fist

But it is also a fact that a large majority of the Jewish vote in America went to the Democratic Party.

As I said, they depend on the MSM for information and have been thereby dissuaded from the idea that this is not their grandfather's Democrat party.

508 redmirabai  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:18:44am

Charles, thanks for opening your living room to all of the mourners. I don't know what I would've done, without a place to hear some sanity in the midst of media madness. I'm waiting to read VDH' comments on these events.

Tomorrow, we begin again the work to see our country proud and safe.

509 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:19:14am

re: #506 Adina in Judea

It's sad indeed.

They think that the answer is to 'knock heads together' and they don't understand that Israel is against people who would rather die than to see Israel exist.

Are you in Israel?

510 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:20:04am

Well all y'all I gotta go eat lunch and do the med's routine again.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

511 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:20:50am

re: #501 Caboose


Color is no longer a barrier to success, so quit using that excuse. You are now going to be held to the same standards as the rest of us.

I am certainly going to adhere to that moving forward.

512 pbird  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:20:59am

re: #143 Iron Fist

I don't give it six months. Obama may claim to be a god, but he is a man, most mortal. He won't be able to deliver on his promises. And when he doesn't, his popularity is going to tank, big time. Right now the press is his lapdog, but the press are kinda like a Chow; they'll turn on you without notice, seemingly for no reason. If the press learns that negative Obama stories sell, he's really hosed.

The Obama Administration is already a failure. How bad a failure remains to be seen.

So very true. The nuttiness is just getting started out there.

513 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:21:28am

re: #503 Iron Fist

re: #485 Adina in Judea

No, the Republican Party won't go along with another Holocaust. The Democratic Party, well, it's kind of up in the air. I wouldn't bet on them doing more than deploring the situation and writing strongly worded letters to the Islamists.

But it is also a fact that a large majority of the Jewish vote in America went to the Democratic Party.

It's kind of like the black vote going so heavily Democratic. It's not like the Republican Party you know, freed the slaves or something. Voting for Nathan Bedford Forrest's Party is, really, incomprehensible to me.

While our principles must always be adheared to, I don't see going out of the way to curry favor in either demographic. We're not going to gain any votes.

The Republican Party has never supported Israel to win the Jewish vote.

The wonderful thing about the Republican Party has always been that the effort to save millions of Jewish lives in Israel is because it's the right thing to do and not a way to pander to Jewish money or Jewish votes.

Giving up on saving millions of Jewish lives will NEVER be the right thing to do.

514 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:22:38am

I don't know why the Jewish vote going Democrat is such a mystery, the lions share of Jewish immigration to this country in the early part of the 20th century was from Eastern Europe and were committed socialist. I think its just something past down through the generations.

515 FloridaAnole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:23:41am

Wow, I can't believe it -- I finally got on. I have been trying to since I got back from poll-watching last night, and kept getting thrown out. Probably all to the good, as I was so furious that I might well have gotten myself 86'd forever from LGF - and probably the whole Internet -- for my musings on the situation.

Well, it looks like God has indeed answered the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's prayers!

I can't really bring myself to congratulate Obama - he's doing a good enough job of that for himself, but I would like to congratulate David Axelrod, for Chicagoziing the whole country, and Jennifer Brunner of Ohio and her little helpers at Acorn, for enfranchising numerous Democrat voters inumerable times, and of course, the Big Winner, George Soros. But most of all, special recognition must go to the Republican Establishment, and its branch operation, the Conservative Pundit Establishment, for their defeatism, their gracious acceptance of the blame for Democratic transgressions the past 2 years, and their current calls for "coming to terms with" and "reaching out to" Obama.

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516 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:23:48am

re: #497 SFGoth

Sorry, but a third party is not viable. THe main problem being that there are multiple parties vying for the same fiscal conservatives. If those people would all come back to the party instead of quitting and fractionalizing our ideals, we could get the upper hand with the soc-cons. It will never happen if fiscal conservatives leave. We will be doomed to more of the same- democrat rule for decades.

517 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:24:04am

re: #255 Charles

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.

Jindal has done a lot for Louisiana. He makes a good governor. Especially in comparison to that sodden lump of do-nothingness who held office before him. But as governor he's at the limit of the Peter Principle. He shouldn't run for president.

518 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:26:02am

re: #486 joncelli

Yes, it would be instructive if somebody saved a copy of his page o' promises and compared it to what he actually does. I predict a certain level of, shall we say, inconsistency between promises and actions.

I kept my copy of his campaign promises as well as his "Blueprint for Change". I'm hoping he is one president that is unable to fulfill his promises.

519 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:26:50am

re: #509 ErislDysnomia

re: #506 Adina in Judea

It's sad indeed.

They think that the answer is to 'knock heads together' and they don't understand that Israel is against people who would rather die than to see Israel exist.

Are you in Israel?

I live in Israel, but I'm in North Carolina right now for a job that I will be doing in Israel. The first part had to be done here.

I have family in America and in Israel (several of us are dual citizens.)

I was raised as a secular California Democratic Jew (like most of the people in my family), but two of my siblings and I are now right wing religious Jews who live in the "settlements" of Judea. I live in one of the largest settlemenets, though, and it's really more of a city with fantastic infrastructure. If our Democratic relatives in California are embarrassed by us, they're nice enough not to say it. :)

I'm heading back to Israel before the Israeli elections.

520 griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:27:02am

I am sad that Obama won this election. I am even sadder that the Republican Party did not find a black man or woman who could have won for us instead. I know there are politically conservative and moderate black people out there who more qualified than Obama to run this country. I really want to be happy that our country has elected a black person as president, but because of his politics, I just can't feel the elation or pride that I would had we elected a centrist.

521 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:27:13am

re: #27 bryantms

Wow, Obama got elected and everything's alright today.

/sarc

That's the way things work. The balance of power swings back and forth. As hard as these next 4+ years are going to be, the Republicans certainly deserve it.

Huh?

522 blangwort  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:28:12am

re: #44 obageegee

Palin/Steele? I hope it happens. Michael Steele is a great speaker. He had my vote for Governor in Maryland. He's very much the sort of center right candidate who can bridge party lines and really expand the party. After all, the state of Maryland has been and still is very much a Blue State, yet he did pretty well. He'd do well as VP.

Seriously, folks, I'm proud of my country for having a peaceful, orderly election. I'm proud of the openness that makes it possible for a man with Barak Obama's background to become president.

Nevertheless, I wish his policies were different. And for all we know, he could turn out to be much like Bill Clinton: Make a few mistakes by acting truly leftist and then learn that often the GOP really does have a valid point.

Obama has been riding many coat-tails for a very long time. Finally, here he is at the top of the heap, and there are no more coat-tails to ride. For the first time in his life, he may not know who to turn to. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed aren't even what many Democrats have in mind. We should strive to do what John McCain alluded to in his concession speech: We should offer him the coat-tails of the GOP to follow as well.

He's never seen much other than the nearly communist upbringing he has known. He's not too old to learn from many others. Let's make sure we're there for him.

Good Luck Mr. Obama! (We're all gonna need it)

523 griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:28:13am

Rahm Emanuel is the new Chief of Staff.

524 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:28:27am

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

Jimmy Carter was 30 years ago. Half the electorate, at least, doesn't even remember him as President--and if they are conscious of his behavior nowadays, they think of him as being nice for building those houses, a Nobel Prize winner, and a moralistic pooperoo who means well.

They do not see him as the incompetent President, the midwife of Islamic terrorism, the Saudi kept boy, and the vicious moral idiot he is.

I would have brought up Clinton, but he had a Republican sweep of Congress to make him look good.

We might as well hold the next election live on television in an American Idol/Game Show type contest.

525 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:28:45am

re: #504 ErislDysnomia

We need a party that upholds the major JudeoChristian values.

If those are held by Christians, Jews, Mormons or anyone else, they are welcome in a Republican party I would be part of.

JudeoChristian values is an oxymoron. Judaism is a teleological religion and Christianity is deontological. Beyond that, no one can define what the hell JC values are. What are they? They're like religion itself in this country - everyone has their own interpretation.

526 snowgardendream  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:29:46am
1. Starve the media. Cancel your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, V-Chip the MSM news channels like CNN and MSNBC, and go out of the way to avoid books in Oprah’s Book Club. The MSM got Hussein the Twit elected in part because they hope a Fairness Doctrine will starve out the blogosphere that has been encroaching on them. All the Fairness Doctrines in the world, though, can’t make you give the media organs a thin dime.

Yes, I've already removed CNN, MSNBC, etc. from my remote so I won't be tempted when I surf...my sister told me the shows she used to watch like Entertainment Tonight, Insider, Inside Edition, (sigh! she's so young and wasting her time with them) favored Obama heavily and seemed to frown on Sarah Palin. She noticed it and stopped watching in disgust. Same for National Enquirer (which ragged on Sarah) if someone in your family picks it up. We should just do it quietly and not use the word boycott. I guess it only helps if you are a participant in ratings programs, but wouldn't it be great to see them scratching their heads about the steep decline in ratings and sweating their bottom lines.

527 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:30:04am

re: #523 griffon

Rahm Emanuel is the new Chief of Staff.

Charles was hoping it would be Tommy.

528 FloridaAnole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #415 bosforus

I support the idea of Romney running again.
I'd rather be done with Palin.

If the American Spectator is to be believed, it is Romney's people who have been sabotaging and backstabbing Sarah Palin to the MSM; they are possibly behind the canard published in the Puffington Ho that Sarah Palin greeted staffers wearing a towel. Clearing the decks for Mitt, no doubt. I don't think I want to have anything to do with a candidate who has those kinds of clowns working for him.

529 reags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:31:55am

Any thoughts on what to do with income/savings/investments? How to avoid the giant tax bill and further economic problems that will come?

530 lurking faith  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #395 BakaRanger

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

The border guards.

531 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:32:32am

re: #516 Sharmuta

Sorry, but a third party is not viable. THe main problem being that there are multiple parties vying for the same fiscal conservatives. If those people would all come back to the party instead of quitting and fractionalizing our ideals, we could get the upper hand with the soc-cons. It will never happen if fiscal conservatives leave. We will be doomed to more of the same- democrat rule for decades.

I'm chuckling here. The only party vying for fiscal conservatives is the Libertarian. The Lib party may/will replace the GOP as a primary party. There's no party to come back to.

532 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:32:44am

re: #501 Caboose


Is it too soon to demand the end of Affirmative Action, since the sky is the limit for African-Americans if they can be elected President of the USA?

Hell, this was affirmative action.

533 Eyes of Blue  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:33:11am

I heard on the radio on my way home from voting that people in Stanislaus county, where I am, were complaining their paper ballots were already marked for Obama. Who said cheaters never win?

534 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:33:13am

re: #522 blangwort

I'm proud of the openness MSM obfuscation that makes it possible for a man with Barak Obama's radical background and associations to become president.

535 Kulhwch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:34:30am

re: #91 MrPaulRevere

Author Michael Crichton Has 'Died Unexpectedly: [Link: www.etonline.com...]

Damn.  He was a favorite ...

}:(     [The day just gets better and better ... ]

536 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:34:32am

re: #519 Adina in Judea

A reason I just love LGF, very interesting people.

537 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:35:12am

Well, there are a lot of people checking out these comments to see the teeth gnashing and rending of garments going on by all of us Lizards. I for one will not give them the pleasure. I can live with this, after all, we will have no choice but to do so. The wheel will turn again. Lots of luck trying to pin all the predictable problems that will soon ensue on the Republicans.

538 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:35:46am

re: #526 snowgardendream

Yes, I've already removed CNN, MSNBC, etc. from my remote so I won't be tempted when I surf...my sister told me the shows she used to watch like Entertainment Tonight, Insider, Inside Edition, (sigh! she's so young and wasting her time with them) favored Obama heavily and seemed to frown on Sarah Palin. She noticed it and stopped watching in disgust. Same for National Enquirer (which ragged on Sarah) if someone in your family picks it up. We should just do it quietly and not use the word boycott. I guess it only helps if you are a participant in ratings programs, but wouldn't it be great to see them scratching their heads about the steep decline in ratings and sweating their bottom lines.

Remember to stop patronizing their advertisers as well. But those should be informed of the reason.

Whoever advertises in tainted publications, is themselves either tainted or lacking a moral compass.

I intend to not do business with such organizations.

539 BakaRanger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:36:25am

re: #530 lurking faith

The border guards.

Yes, I hope that this happens. Letter writing campaign?

540 blangwort  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:36:47am

re: #501 Caboose


Is it too soon to demand the end of Affirmative Action, since the sky is the limit for African-Americans if they can be elected President of the USA? Their excuses died last night. Color is no longer a barrier to success, so quit using that excuse. You are now going to be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Hope you enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

If only that were true. But as long as that generation remains in power, the Sharptons, the Jacksons, the Farrakans, and their ilk will continue to espouse victimhood. It ain't over. In fact, it may just go in to overdrive.

541 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:37:34am

re: #255 Charles

If Bobby Jindal is the GOP nominee in 2012, they will lose me.

He is a complete disaster. An activist creationist who participates in exorcisms and believes they cure cancer.

you won't be the only one... he's goofier than a shit house mouse.

(BTW: i dinged the results, not the poster too. %-)

542 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:37:55am

re: #529 reags

Any thoughts on what to do with income/savings/investments? How to avoid the giant tax bill and further economic problems that will come?

Invest in commie companies - ones that pander to "solve" global warming, for example.

Does ACORN have stock? Something tells me they'll be getting extra government contracts soon.

/only partially

543 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:38:09am
544 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:38:27am

re: #449 MandyManners

Some buttes need to be kicked.

I resemble that remark...
/I live in a part of the country chock full of buttes...

545 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:40:01am
546 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:42:02am

re: #281 Kenneth

Here's the link: "Barack has a 'yiddishe nishama'"...

I much more sombre article -- far more astute (though depressing) is Melanie Phillips article...Here..:"Freedom Now Stands Alone."

547 Florida Lady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:42:49am

re: #543 Iron Fist

I always expected that JC Watts would be the first black President. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. If Obama fucks up too bad, there may never be another black President, at least in my lifetime.

Unfortunately, that is probably what will happen.

It looks like we're going to all be on the ride and see what an Obama Administration is like. Maybe he's been lying all along (what are the odds of that), and he'll govern from the Center.

Yeah, I can't find myself believing that either.

Didn't think you could - you're too smart for that!

548 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:43:31am

re: #55 Last Mohican

I missed the election night threads. In case nobody mentioned it, here's the most ironic quote of the day, from Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd:

The real reality, of course, is that this election shamefully represents the exact opposite of MLK's dream. It was an obscene insult to Dr. King, his vision for America, and the inspirational struggles of generations of black Americans who have worked arduously to demonstrate the content of their character.

Nonsense. MLK would have been overjoyed.

549 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:45:46am

re: #531 SFGoth

I'm chuckling here. The only party vying for fiscal conservatives is the Libertarian. The Lib party may/will replace the GOP as a primary party. There's no party to come back to.

WRONG! I spoke with a fiscal conservative last night trying to recruit me to the Constitution party.

Let me put it to you this way- every time the soc-cons can get a fiscal-con to leave the party, they're made happy. Good job pleasing those who sat at home and just f*cked us, and the country, up the ass.

550 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:45:52am

Life must go on - so I just ordered a thousand rounds of 7.62x54r to prove to myself that this is still America.

It is.

551 HillJack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:46:01am

It all comes down to this. The Republican party big-wigs and George Bush, thanks so much guys, abandonded the base and all we stand for by becoming a big government and big spending, lite version of the Democratic party. This includes the nomination of McCain. John is a RINO, always has been and always will be. McCain couldn't get the conservative message across because he is not one. I could have stomached this loss a lot better if we had stood on our conservative values throughout this process and still lost. Instead the party pandered to those in the middle and we got our asses handed to us. And that, my new found friends, is what pisses me off the most!

552 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:47:20am

I wonder how long it will be until we get a draft. Something like, turn 18, join the military or join the National Civilian Defense Corps. We'll be more and more like Europe every day! [ptui]

553 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:47:34am

PLEASE feel free to leave the party and enjoy leftist rule for decades.

554 FloridaAnole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:47:47am

re: #523 griffon

Rahm Emanuel is the new Chief of Staff.

And Ayers is Secretary of Education? Jennifer Brunner - Attorney General?

555 AmericanPoliticalOrphan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:48:47am

I was feeling a little green this morning and figured I couldn't type littlegreenfootballs - glad it's back. I need something to cling to today.

I'm tearing down my red white and blue weblog and making it black as a sign of mourning.

Florida is overcast and gloomy today. I think it's fitting.

Hang in there my fellow Lizardians.

Thanks Charles for keeping LGF running...

556 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:36am

re: #548 Salem

Nonsense. MLK would have been overjoyed.

Okay, actually the point is valid, but MLK still would have been overjoyed.

557 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:59am

there's plenty of blame to go around.

The left has a huge hate-fueled, revenge-based, fully funded lie machine.
That's what we face. Time to focus.

558 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #554 FloridaAnole

Ah, but who'll be heading up the U.S. Treasury, eh? One of his Chicago pals?

559 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:50:04am
560 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:51:21am

re: #451 realwest

Um, ok, well then I guess you're saying I shouldn't be the treasurer here, right?!?
But just think about it - if we did what I said just once every six months, Charles could cover his new provider expenses, pay his mortgage and buy some decent wine for a change!

RW, I agree. I wish Charles would set up something so that we could have a monthly donation automatically paid from a credit card...IF WE SO CHOSE. I am a scatterbrain and never remeber when I last donated, etc. Or I forget. Or whatever.

561 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:52:29am

re: #513 Adina in Judea

The Republican Party has never supported Israel to win the Jewish vote.

The wonderful thing about the Republican Party has always been that the effort to save millions of Jewish lives in Israel is because it's the right thing to do and not a way to pander to Jewish money or Jewish votes.

Giving up on saving millions of Jewish lives will NEVER be the right thing to do.

I wish I could give you 100 dings up for that!

562 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:52:31am

re: #549 Sharmuta

WRONG! I spoke with a fiscal conservative last night trying to recruit me to the Constitution party.

Let me put it to you this way- every time the soc-cons can get a fiscal-con to leave the party, they're made happy. Good job pleasing those who sat at home and just f*cked us, and the country, up the ass.

Fine, so then the Libertarian Party will overtake it, as I said. Then we won't be saddled with candidates like McCain who aren't supported by his own core.

563 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:52:43am

Rush explaining 401(k)'s and what the democrats have in mind.

564 Notalib  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:53:41am

Welcome to Obama's America

[Link: www.ucubd.com...]

565 pbird  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:54:02am

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

The Democrat with the Republican running mate lost to the Marxist with the Bloviator running mate.

For this to occur, the following had to happen:

1) A complete whitewash of the Marxist by the mainstream media, including active distortion and suppression of information;

2) A vote-fraud effort unprecedented in American history, whitewashed by the media and enabled by compliasant judges;

3) An election-fundraising fraud of gigantic and unplumbed proportions, which enabled foreign-money laundering and concealment of over-the-limit domestic contributions;

4) A serious financial crash, the causes of which were systematically concealed;

5) The expenditure by the winner of one billion dollars--more money than was ever spent by any two candidates in a Presidential election before;

6) Public fatigue with a war that has been poorly explained by the sitting administration, and poorly prosecuted by it for far too long;

7) Simple public fatigue with the party in power, which tends to occur naturally every eight years when a President serves two terms, and which always renders the race of the representative of the party in power an uphill climb;

8) The eagerness of a great portion of the population to prove that it was "not racist" by voting for the candidate of color;

9) The appeal of youth over age.

And with all that, the winner did not by any means win by a "landslide." A decisive win? Yes. But only because all of the factors listed above--and arguably a few more--were breaking in his favor.

This does not suggest that America is "lost," by any means, or that there has been a true realignment; it merely shows that a majority of the factors in this election were working in favor of the final outcome.

I cynically think that the common run of the public will always vote for the most physically attractive candidate. This did worry me.

566 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:54:36am

re: #385 SpartanWoman

No the Supremes will be lib and above blame soon.

The new nominees have to be nominated first, and they have to get past a public filled with people like us who watch everything like a hawk, and they have have to get past a NON-filibuster-proof House. We can make things very, very, very difficult for any liberal court appointee... basically by crashing the Capital's PBX with calls and faxes, and melting the Capital's email servers with mails saying "Like HELL you're going to appoint that guy!"

Believe me, this all boils down to the true conservatives becoming activist in this. We've done it before, we can do it again. We did exactly that during all the close-the-boarder matters a few months back. True, it didn't cause them to actually CLOSE the borders... but we DID show our massive power to the Powers That Be: It showed them we're OUT there, and we're NOT GOING AWAY. If anything, there'll probably be MORE of us out there soon.

567 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:55:29am
568 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:55:57am

Michael Crichton was the only popular culture figure I'm aware of who called bullshit on "climate change".

569 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #562 SFGoth

The Libertarian Party will get a candidate elected to the White House sometime between 2012 and never. Good luck though.

570 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:56:45am

I agree with Joncelli's review of what the Republican's need to do to win.

They need to find out what young people are interested in and show them why small government is best for them.

Conservatives who sit out elections as a protest against moderate candidates might as well move to Canada. The tug of war to win elections is done at the mid ground. Views have to be compromised to reach a victory.

Values planks in the party platforms regarding gay rights, marriage, abortion should be tossed out and left up to the spiritual community for their implementations. Government doesn't need to be in that business anyway.

More importantly big business leaders represent big Republican leaders. And these big business leaders have pretty much proved themselves corrupt and failures regardless of their party affiliations. Yet they seem to get away scott free with the taxpayers money each time. While a taxpayer in distress financially or in health is held with their feet over the coals until they give up their last dime.

571 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:58:08am
572 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:59:41am
573 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:00:22pm

re: #569 Sharmuta

The Libertarian Party will get a candidate elected to the White House sometime between 2012 and never. Good luck though.

Same odds as the Republicans.

574 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #567 Iron Fist

That ought to scare the piss out of people. Too bad it's too late. Nationalize, then socialize you retirement account. Spread the wealth poverty around.

Scares the piss out of me.

575 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:01:11pm

re: #572 Iron Fist

The Libertarian Party can't even win a local election. It's a fun dream, but it's never going to happen.

I agree. Too bad they're wasting their energy on it when we could use them and some of their ideals to improve the republican party.

576 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:01:42pm
577 BakaRanger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:02:05pm

re: #571 Iron Fist

Yeah. What was the name of the book? I can't remember, but I've read it. It was really good. I liked the Jurassic Park books, too. Way better than the movies.

"State of Fear"?

578 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:02:15pm

re: #573 SFGoth

Same odds as the Republicans.

Sure- thanks for doing your part in bringing that about.

579 irish rose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:02:32pm

Home from work, and LGF is back.
Thank God.

580 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:02:51pm

Charles put a thread up for Crichton, for those who are interested.

581 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:04:33pm

Market's unhappy: Dow down -315.

582 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:06:31pm

re: #575 Sharmuta

I agree. Too bad they're wasting their energy on it when we could use them and some of their ideals to improve the republican party.

Look, the most important thing to the GOP core -- the soccons -- is their religion and religious values. They cannot and will not subordinate that in favor of small c (secular) conservatism. Do you not see that? You cannot improve the GOP at this point anymore than Gorbachev could reform communism. You either have evangelical Conservatism or secular conservatism.

583 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:59pm

re: #578 Sharmuta

Sure- thanks for doing your part in bringing that about.

I did that by voting for the GOP candidate? How? You know, if we all joined the Peace & Freedom Party we could change it! I don't hear criticism of Reagan's position, which is mine.

584 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:09:17pm

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

I think the current financial crisis was pumped up for political benefit. If there were troubles there they could have all been dealt with in a reasoned manner.

On the homeowner side. I saw people with marginal credit getting stuck 2-3 points higher in interest because of their credit situation. The mortgage brokers were just using them to make quick bucks in fees and then dumping their risk on the feds. Someone at a low credit rating needs fair access to banking interest rates. Not a jaded access. The marginal homeowner was seen as a sucker by the mortgage industry. And then in talk radio you would hear the radio hosts cajoling "the home owner with a dream" for not paying the best lawyer and accountant in town before they agreed to the terms of their loan. At this level people just want to get into their house and they aren't in any position to argue terms without the loan being pulled back. Republicans with short sighted perspectives on the mortgage mess aren't appealing to these people. And their are a lot of them. And the impact they feel affects whole extended families.

Republicans still have problems recognizing corruption that faces the everyday Americans and then dealing with it in a way that restores confidence.

585 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:16pm

Just heard a clip of Oprah saying as she was leaving the Obama partay in Chicago last night,
"Better use the porta-potty before I leave."
Sure you did, Oprah.

586 irish rose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:12:12pm

Oh, man.
I feel like someone backed me into a dark alley last night and beat the crap out of me.

I'm heading off to the pub tonight for some music and strong drink to sooth my jangled nerves... anyone care to join me?

587 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:02pm

re: #572 Iron Fist

The Libertarian Party can't even win a local election. It's a fun dream, but it's never going to happen.

My problem with Libertarians is that they always seem to pick disoriented leaders. People who have been gob smacked aside the head and are in a constant state of dizziness. If they wanted to legalize marijuana I would say ok, if they want to legalize all drugs I would say no. I have seen the effect of drugs on a young immature person's future many times and it ain't pretty. Society is a lot better off legalizing marijuana and putting a death penalty tax on drug pushers. sorta like Singapore.

588 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:07pm
589 code red 21  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:24pm

We took our flag down this morning because we are in mourning. 1776 - 2008.

590 irish rose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:33pm

Charles, if you were local I'd invite you along and buy you a pint.

591 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:26pm

re: #582 SFGoth

You either have evangelical Conservatism or secular conservatism.

If you've never been a moby up until now, you've certainly converted to mobyism.

Trying to split conservatives permanently is precisely what liberals want to do.

You've gone over to the dark side.

Repeating your dark side views here only helps confirm it.

The Republican Party isn't going to split or die no matter how much you keep promoting this. Perhaps you've lived in San Francisco for too long.

592 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:56pm
593 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:02pm

re: #582 SFGoth

So instead of pushing back, you withdraw. How does one win a battle when they've conceded the field?

594 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:28pm

re: #590 irish rose

Charles, if you were local I'd invite you along and buy you a pint.

Order one up and drink if for him, rose!

595 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:59pm
596 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:49pm

Some of the text under the photo of Sarah Palin in jeans on election day:

I'll write later, and much longer, about Gov. Palin, this campaign just passed, and her incredibly bright future on the national political scene.

A conservative star has been born in this election and she has an incredibly bright future!

597 blue eyed music lover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:23:35pm

re: #548 Salem

Nonsense. MLK would have been overjoyed.

I don't know how many people know this, since it has been whitewashed from history, but near the end of his short life, MLK was a redistributionist and socialist himself. But of course, since he is an icon, it is against the law to tamper with his official image.

598 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:27:09pm

re: #591 Adina in Judea

Adina you nailed it.

599 irish rose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:27:57pm

How about an LGF poll?

Today, I feel like:

1. I've achieved a state of policial Nirvana
2. Hope! Change!
3. cautious optimism
4. laying on the sofa all day with chocolate bars and a pint of Hagen Daaz
5. shit on a shingle
6. Death warmed over
7. who am I, and how did I get here?
8. taking your stupid ass poll and shoving it where the sun don't shine.

Pick one! :)

600 irish rose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:42pm

re: #594 redstateredneck

Order one up and drink if for him, rose!

I will indeed.
A nice split of Barefoot zin, methinks.

601 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:48pm

re: #591 Adina in Judea

If you've never been a moby up until now, you've certainly converted to mobyism.

Trying to split conservatives permanently is precisely what liberals want to do.

You've gone over to the dark side.

Repeating your dark side views here only helps confirm it.

The Republican Party isn't going to split or die no matter how much you keep promoting this. Perhaps you've lived in San Francisco for too long.

I have no idea what a Moby is. I'm not promoting the death of the RP. I'm simply saying that if the RP is what it has been the last 8 years, it is already moribund. K? If all it has to offer is fear itself (i.e., the Dems are Liberal) then it won't win. And if it offers me nothing except tax cuts, then there's no reason for me -- and millions of others -- to support it. I'm hearing a lot of criticism of my position but no one is giving me -- and millions other -- a positive reason to stay in the party.

602 NY Nana  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:38pm

/Damn it, I just realized that all the leftie

'celebrities'

airheads won't be making a modern-day exodus from the USA...I know where I would like to see them go.

IMHO, for anyone who remembers, Hussein will be an even bigger disaster than the Edsel or the DeLorean combined, as people begin to realize that the Emperor has no clothes, and have a severe case of voters' remorse that can only be cured by voting sensibly in 2012, or seeing Hussein impeached.

I am not very happy about how badly the Republican party handled the McCain campaign. It should have been a piece of cake. I hope they feel like shit today, because they have to bear a lot of the responsibility, as does Senator McCain, who just seemed to be mailing it in the majority of the time, and stayed away from the multitude of issues that should have finished Hussein's campaign in a matter of days .

/Will Rev. Wright swear him in at the Inauguration?

603 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:10pm

re: #533 Eyes of Blue

I heard on the radio on my way home from voting that people in Stanislaus county, where I am, were complaining their paper ballots were already marked for Obama. Who said cheaters never win?

My advise is... from here on out, bring white-out pens with you every time you go in to vote, so that if they do already have the Democrat vote filled in, you can undo it and fill in the spot for your candidate of choice.

604 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:05pm

re: #601 SFGoth

I have no idea what a Moby is.

Moby:

An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.

Mobies haven't been terribly successful, but they do make themselves easy to spot.

If your response to the election is to encourage conservatives to split into multiple parties and/or encourage conservatives to leave the Republican Party, then you are someone who has converted to mobyism.

You've established your creds as a moby.

No one needs to defend the Republican Party from you here.

605 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:05pm

John Kerry has announced that he is interested in being secretary of state.
Might as well...

606 Maui Girl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:49pm

Okay, so who else thought Michelle Obama's dress made her look like a black widow spider?

607 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:02pm

re: #597 blue eyed music lover

I don't know how many people know this, since it has been whitewashed from history, but near the end of his short life, MLK was a redistributionist and socialist himself. But of course, since he is an icon, it is against the law to tamper with his official image.

Yep. A charismatic socialist black president would be the ideal by any means necessary.

608 hazzyday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:42pm

re: #605 redstateredneck

John Kerry has announced that he is interested in being secretary of state.
Might as well...

European vacations for him now. And he doesn't have to be worried about being an ugly American anymore.

609 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:05pm

Meanwhile, the stock market is way down again in response to The One's victory.

They know what's in store.

610 NY Nana  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:36pm

re: #599 irish rose

Charles,

Could you please, please make this a thread that we can vote on? Please?

611 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:41:00pm

re: #604 Adina in Judea

612 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:41:22pm

re: #602 NY Nana

From what I could follow (from the kind of "reporting" we get up here), I don't think the Republican Party was able to put together a coherent plan for anything -- whether it was the economy, health care, immigration, border control -- there was absolutely nothing to vote for...There was nothing positive (with the exception of McCain's military record and heroic service to the United States) -- in terms of putting forward a sound political party platform which offered actual solutions to the myriad of problems facing the U.S. (Personally, the only reason I voted for McCain was because he happened to be running against Hussein...that's it. My single reason for voting -- a vote against Hussein -- and, obviously, that isn't something that's likely to "carry over" to the rest of the electorate.)

613 FortunateSon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:41:35pm

Looks like the markets love Obama as much as we all do!

614 NY Nana  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:42:24pm

re: #599 irish rose

#'s 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8!

615 LonnyE  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:25pm

re: #315 Quad Mocha Matti

I've been hearing a lot of favorable talk about Lynn Swann and Michael Steele (especially on the "Midnight Trucking Radio Network" program) for the past couple of months - What's the attitude among the Lizards about either of these two?

Like them both from what I have seen/heard from them. They should both be groomed more though. Michael Steel could be given a more prominent role in the party as there should be some upcoming vacancies in key party positions.

Lynn Swann needs to run and win something first before being considered for a key spot within the party. Perhaps taking on Senator Casey would be a good move for Lynn Swann.

Sorry from PA...

616 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:32pm
617 SagamoreGal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:43pm

Lynn Swann - from my experience in campaigning for him ' 06 for the PA governor's race, I don't find him to be a marketable candidate on the national level. He's almost to the right of Sarah Palin on pro-life issues, OK with many on this board but reprehensible to the Philly surburban voters. He would loose PA yet again for the Republican ticket. He polled the weakest in the black communities and with white ,college-educated voters. Nice man to bring out for rallies (which the Republicans failed to do this year) but if he can't do well in PA, we can forget the White House again. The Republicans must get over the PA hurdle. Other than the "unions birth'ed me, fed me, and told me which church to attend" attitude that prevails in the medium-size and large cities in this state, this state should be a lock for the Republicans, IMO. I spent most of my life in three Southern states, and PA has a lot more gun-tootin' ,NASCAR, Evangelical voters than any Southern state. But more than a few NASCAR voters in PA are also proud union members .

618 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:18pm

re: #604 Adina in Judea


You've established your creds as a moby.

Let me try again since my last post didn't post. I support across-the-board tax cuts, am pro-military, vote against almost all bond measures, oppose earmarks, oppose late term abortions, support parental notification laws, support individuals' right to bear arms, oppose affirmative action and universal health care, and recognize Islam for the cancer that it is. That makes me *left* wing? Did the north and south poles shift last night?

619 Eyes of Blue  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:38pm

re: #603 NomadOfNorad


That's a good plan.

620 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:50:01pm

re: #618 SFGoth

Whatever you claim to believe, you're trying to split the Republican Party.

This does make you a moby.

You're saying all these negative things while whining that no one is giving you anything positive to get you to stop saying all these negative things.

You are your own problem in this.

621 SagamoreGal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:41pm

re: #599 irish rose


"who am I, and how did I get here?"

That's still one of the funniest lines from one of SNL's funniest political skits!

622 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:56pm

re: #620 Adina in Judea

Whatever you claim to believe, you're trying to split the Republican Party.

This does make you a moby.

You're saying all these negative things while whining that no one is giving you anything positive to get you to stop saying all these negative things.

You are your own problem in this.

I'm not trying to split the party. It's done a good enough job on its own. You're in denial. Enjoy the wilderness for the next 40 years.

623 code red 21  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:26pm

re: #395 BakaRanger

Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?

Ramos and Compean

624 NY Nana  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:56pm

re: #612 J.S.

While this eons-long election was going on? I wanted to see Shrillary squashed...and was dumb enough to think that Hussein would be no more than a bad joke that would embarrass the Demonrats.

WTF was wrong with the upper echelons of the GOP to not snap to action when they saw who and what he really is? They were so soft on him that it was humiliating. They should have been getting the info as soon as he announced his candidacy. We already knew more than we wanted re Shrilary.

625 NY Nana  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:58pm

re: #606 Maui Girl

Didn't see sweet Michelle..I turned the TV off. I can only imagine.

626 SagamoreGal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:56:28pm

re: #395 BakaRanger

"Back to business:

Who should be pardoned by Bush as he leaves office?"

Scooter Libby! One of GWB's weakest moments as prez was how he mangled the whole issue with his staff and the press.

627 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:57:53pm

re: #622 SFGoth

I'm not trying to split the party. It's done a good enough job on its own. You're in denial. Enjoy the wilderness for the next 40 years.

The Republican Party hasn't split.

The Democrats won the Presidency, but they did NOT win the election tsunami that were aiming to win. They don't have a filibuster-proof Senate or a mega-large House.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is a still-rising superstar that the Republican Party didn't have on the national scene until two months ago.

Not all is lost.

Your descent into either insanity or mobyism is showing that the rest of the Republican Party is still strong. We will stand together rather than go ape-sh*t like you are doing.

As you put it - "K?"

628 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:02:30pm

re: #627 Adina in Judea

The Republican Party hasn't split.

The Democrats won the Presidency, but they did NOT win the election tsunami that were aiming to win. They don't have a filibuster-proof Senate or a mega-large House.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is a still-rising superstar that the Republican Party didn't have on the national scene until two months ago.

Not all is lost.

Your descent into either insanity or mobyism is showing that the rest of the Republican Party is still strong. We will stand together rather than go ape-sh*t like you are doing.
---
Whatever. I'm going to get back to doing something real, like protecting the Ellis Act rights of California property owners and fighting East Palo Alto's draconian rent control regulations. Have fun believing that big government evangelical Conservatism + Muslim nation building will win any election in the next 8 years.
As you put it - "K?"

629 Maui Girl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:04:14pm

re: #625 NY Nana

Didn't see sweet Michelle..I turned the TV off. I can only imagine.

Nothing sweet about her. She's butt-ugly in my opinion and NOT because she's WHO she is. She's just unattractive. Her dress was black with a big red splotch on the front of it. Her designer should be shot.

630 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:09:16pm

re: #628 SFGoth

Whatever. I'm going to get back to doing something real, like protecting the Ellis Act rights of California property owners and fighting East Palo Alto's draconian rent control regulations. Have fun believing that big government evangelical Conservatism + Muslim nation building will win any election in the next 8 years.

America got involved in nation-building in Iraq because the Saddam wannabees were looking to take over where he left off so that they could spend hundreds of billions of dollars per year in oil revenues to attack nations near and far.

Taking $450 billion per year off the terrorist payroll to give it to the Iraqi people for their own well-being was necessary. The terrorists who spent years blowing up Iraqis in supermarkets were doing this to get their hands on hundreds of billions of dollars and resources that would have been more difficult to fight in the long term than what America has fought against in Iraq.

If you don't know any of this, then you're already lost.

631 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:10:49pm

The DOW dropped over 500 points at the news of Obama's election.

632 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:11:12pm

I'm well aware of it. Strong selling point... Let me know when you create the first Muslim nation that's not a shithole.

re: #630 Adina in Judea

America got involved in nation-building in Iraq because the Saddam wannabees were looking to take over where he left off so that they could spend hundreds of billions of dollars per year in oil revenues to attack nations near and far.

Taking $450 billion per year off the terrorist payroll to give it to the Iraqi people for their own well-being was necessary. The terrorists who spent years blowing up Iraqis in supermarkets were doing this to get their hands on hundreds of billions of dollars and resources that would have been more difficult to fight in the long term than what America has fought against in Iraq.

If you don't know any of this, then you're already lost.

634 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:14:33pm

re: #632 SFGoth

I'm well aware of it. Strong selling point... Let me know when you create the first Muslim nation that's not a shithole.

A nation that's a sh*thole is still BETTER than a nation whose hundreds of billions of dollars in oil revenues goes directly to terrorists who will use it to attack other nations (especially America and Israel, but including Saudi Arabia, EU nations and others.)

Iraq is improving - it will take time.

Well, Iraq was improving.

Obama may listen to you and put a halt to that.

We may yet see those hundreds of billions of dollars per year in oil revenues used to attack America and Israel, etc, G-d forbid.

635 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:14:58pm

re: #629 Maui Girl

Nothing sweet about her. She's butt-ugly in my opinion and NOT because she's WHO she is. She's just unattractive. Her dress was black with a big red splotch on the front of it. Her designer should be shot.


That was an ugly dress. I think it was supposed to be slenderizing with the red in the middle and the black on the sides, but it just came off as fuugly!

636 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:15:56pm

re: #633 joncelli

Oh just great: Wall Street's election euphoria disappeared as the Dow took its worst post-Election Day plunge in modern history

An Obama presidency doesn't do much to bolster the faith in the old market, does it?

637 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:16:03pm

re: #633 joncelli

"Election-Day euphoria vanished into a cloud of negativity on Wednesday as the Dow plummeted more than 500 points, its worst post-election plunge on record."

No surprise there.

638 ladycatnip  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:27pm

#211 Baelzar

Rush Limbaugh (and, I'm certain, Hannity) are taking the wrong lesson from this defeat.

They are once again equating Conservatism with religion. Abortion issue, front and center. Palin's what we need, you betcha!

It is a recipe for defeat, and the Republicans will continue to lose if they champion the religious right over small government, low taxes, strong national defense.

Are you suggesting that conservative Christians be marginalized from the Republican party because they are pro-life? We've had 20 years of Republican presidents since Reagan with absolutely no change to Roe v. Wade, and with all the checks and balances in place it's probably here to stay. But - there should always be room in the national debate for issues concerning life and death without ad hominem attacks or mockery of those who don't share your views.

McCain lost because he chose to listen to his inept handlers, and because he didn't define his candidacy very well. I agree with you that had he stayed on point with small government, low taxes, and a strong national defense, he may have won. I say "may" because he was going up against an icon created by the media. That alone was insurmountable.

639 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:20:13pm

At some point principle meets reality. American voters do not want to govern Iraq indefinitely (see how fast Afghanistan is reverting to form. When we pull out of Iraq, it will too). That's what you're proposing, necessary or not, and Bush was utterly incapable of explaining why we had to be there. Did he invoke our occupations of Japan and Germany after WWII? No. Did he explain that it was the *British* and *French* who created those "countries" for OIL in the 1920's? No. What did he do? He kind of babbled and slurred his words. Is it his fault that he inherited the mess? No. Is it the GOP's fault that it nominated Bush over McCain in 2000? Yes. I didn't much like McCain back then either, but I bet he would have at least been able to articulate his positions. Why did Bush win the nomination? BGEC.

re: #634 Adina in Judea

A nation that's a sh*thole is still BETTER than a nation whose hundreds of billions of dollars in oil revenues goes directly to terrorists who will use it to attack other nations (especially America and Israel, but including Saudi Arabia, EU nations and others.)

Iraq is improving - it will take time.

Well, Iraq was improving.

Obama may listen to you and put a halt to that.

We may yet see those hundreds of billions of dollars per year in oil revenues used to attack America and Israel, etc, G-d forbid.

640 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:24:28pm

re: #575 Sharmuta

I agree. Too bad they're wasting their energy on it when we could use them and some of their ideals to improve the republican party.

Agreed.

641 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:28:11pm

just my wee little opinion - If the GOP is going to fracture because the religious and non-religious factions can't get along - my guess is that will spell doom, and movement to a one-party liberal-fascist system.

the GOP is just people.

While personally agree that politics and religion are not good bedfellows -
we still have to deal with all of the coalitions that make up the party.

I want small government and low taxes. I want an efficient government and a strong military. I think most people do. Maybe I'm wrong.

642 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:28:46pm

re: #639 SFGoth

At some point principle meets reality. American voters do not want to govern Iraq indefinitely (see how fast Afghanistan is reverting to form. When we pull out of Iraq, it will too).

America doesn't rule over Iraq.

Your giving liberal talking points.

Your moby conversion is complete.

643 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:29:23pm

YOU'RE giving liberal talking points, SFGoth.

644 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:31:31pm

re: #633 joncelli

Already the cries of "Bush's Fault!" are echoing from the media.

645 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:34:01pm

re: #642 Adina in Judea

America doesn't rule over Iraq.

Your giving liberal talking points.

Your moby conversion is complete.

Hint: "Your" is possessive, not a contracting of "you are". "Your" right - if we pulled out today, Iraq would be a wonderful place for anyone, especially Jews, to visit. You are an idiot - if name calling has become acceptable here since you call me a Moby for the sake of felating yourself (Lefties think I'm a fascist FWIW). We are keeping the peace and the moment we go, boom, they go boom. You are fooling yourself if you think Iraq will remain (to the extent it is) peaceful. Hell, it's a wonder Israeli politics doesn't devolve into fist-fighting. Call me what you want, but as long as the GOP offers me a tiny portion of what I believe in, I'm not supporting it. If that's too difficult for you to grasp, that's your problem.

646 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:37:54pm

re: #645 SFGoth

Hint: "Your" is possessive, not a contracting of "you are".

Luckily, I figured that you would be this petty so I corrected my typo before you did:

Adina in Judea 11/05/08 1:29:23 pm

YOU'RE giving liberal talking points, SFGoth.

647 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:04:48pm

re: #645 SFGoth

The next time you decide to accuse me of an impossible sexual act that I don't have the part to perform even if it were possible - keep in mind that Adina is a female name.

648 notutopia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:35pm

Charles, I just got into LGF after multiple (40+) attempts today. Every time it said Cannot connect to the server. I am so relieved to finally get on the site. Thank you for your level head and big heart and for hosting this great website.
PJM had an audio recap of the election from last evening by Allapundit that I just listened to and enjoyed.
One of the 5 guests, brought up the question about What will happen to the MSM and newspapers post election, now that conservative Americans have seen first hand how unethical and biased it has become. One guest said well maybe now he could start charging for his work online. If this is the case and possible to do, what about you doing a daily feature story. Perhaps it's time to start considering LGF with a VALUE attached. Perhaps charge for outside of membership participation to read it online. Members who are currently registered could contribute an annual payment based upon a sliding scale determined by the amount of postings submitted. This would help pay for the power, updates to the system, and make LGF a world wide web newsource. What ya think? re: #110 Charles

649 Captain Amercia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 10:55:02am

POST ELECTION 2008
November 6, 2008

I guess now that the election is over and I have had time to reflect I can finally write a new post. I have been at work since so I needed some breathing room. First of all the previous posts were meant to reflect my feelings immediately after the election. The Doors video is appropriate to convey the way I felt that night. Morose. No one does that better than the Doors. (Pink Floyd can come close sometimes). The other video is meant to reflect my opinion of where the country is now headed. We will see.

Unlike democrats I am not going to engage in sour grape attacks on America’s new President. Barack Obama is the President-Elect of the United States of America. I will not work to UNDERMINE him for political gain no matter how much I disagree with his policies. I will not work to SILENCE opposition to him. I love my country too much for that. Republicans don't riot after losing. I'm not going to give the left the satisfaction of seeing me behave as they do.

I will however GIVE NO QUARTER when I believe his POLICIES or ACTIONS are detrimental to this country or it’s citizens as a whole. I will be savage in my criticism of any attempts to violate or eliminate rights guaranteed by our our Constitution. I will DEFEND the principles of Conservatism at every turn.


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 Frank says:

Ooooh the way you love me baby,
I get so hard now I could die.
Ooooh the way you squeeze me lady
red balloons just pop behind my eyes -- Magic Fingers, 200 Motels