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Arab Reactions to Obama's Election

World | Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:05:04 pm PST

MEMRI has reactions from Arab media to the election of Barack Obama. Includes this lovely sentiment from our good friends in Saudi Arabia:

The Saudi daily Al-Watan stated in an editorial: “There is no significant difference between Obama and McCain. They disagree only on the means to achieve America’s chief goal, which is to rule for another hundred years.”

And here’s a wake up call for anyone who believes Obama’s election is going to increase the love from Islamists:

In a fatwa published on the eve of the U.S. elections, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi expressed his preference for Sen. John McCain as president: “Personally, I would prefer for the Republican candidate, [John] McCain, to be elected. This is because I prefer the obvious enemy who does not hypocritically [conceal] his hostility toward you... to the enemy who wears a mask [of friendliness].”

Al-Qaradhawi added: “Whoever thinks that the Democrats are less hostile to [the Arabs] than the Republicans should know that the number of Iraqis killed during the siege [of Iraq] by the Democrat Bill Clinton is twice as high as the number of [Iraqis] killed by the Republican [George] Bush.

“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

“Therefore, I hope that McCain comes to power, so that the motivation for jihad remains in our hearts, and so that we do not [begin to] rely on the infidels - [which will cause us] to be struck by the fire [of Hell].”

Hope! Change!

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:17pm

But Yahoo is trying to tell me the world love us again already:

Obama victory sparks cheers around the globe

Barack Obama's election as America's first black president unleashed a renewed love for the United States after years of dwindling goodwil

I guess that love is only skin deep.

2 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:18pm

It's funny. This is exactly one of the reasons I don't like the Democrats myself.

3 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:24pm

The World Islamic Crisis (let us call it that) is far from over.

Mr. Obama cannot vote present anymore, he will have to deal with the crazies, and there are a lot of them.

May he get our prayers.

4 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:35pm

This is a surprise to me.

5 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:40pm

Gosh, what a surprise.

/

6 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:43pm

With the added bonus that Obama is an apostate -- now still more reason to hate the US! Sigh.

7 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:08:50pm

Dancing in the streets, passing out of candy, launching a missile barrage at Israel.

/Just another day in the Middle east.

8 winston06  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:09:15pm

radicals have taken over the US and we are at war with them

9 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:09:41pm

re: #3 Ojoe

The World Islamic Crisis (let us call it that) is far from over.

Mr. Obama cannot vote present anymore, he will have to deal with the crazies, and there are a lot of them.

May he get our prayers.

I agree.

10 Billy Hank  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:09:42pm

Shocka, Shocka. Islamists still hate the U.S. All that Hope and Change for nothing.

11 little blessing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:09:58pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I was going to say the same. If he is not happy he must be the only one.

/

12 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:10:15pm

Who are we at war with today? Eastasia or Eurasia?

13 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:10:28pm

I hope the Jihadi's are right about Obama.

Did I just say that?

14 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:10:34pm

Woah! So under Clinton 12,000,000,000 Iraqis died?

/

15 winston06  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:10:35pm

re: #12 The Other Les

the reds

16 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:10:50pm

I'm somehow feeling a bit better, now that Sheik Qaradawi hasn't got his wish fulfilled: slow death by snake poison, and the perceived need for jihad dwindling isn't bad at all.

17 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:04pm

I grow tired and impatient with the Obama regime (paraphrase of WFB).

Minnesota voted to add a constitutional amendment to increase the sales tax permanently to fund the "arts" and the "outdoors", whatever that means.

I am going to calculate an estimate of what that will cost me each year and am reducing my United Way donation by that amount. That's not the change I can believe in, but if the gov't is taking more from me, what's a guy to do?

18 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:08pm
The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger.

What a strange 24 hours it's been. I never thought I'd live to agree with an imam.

19 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:09pm

re: #15 winston06

the reds

Yes. But which reds?

20 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:38pm

Speaking of reactions, where's Osama's reaction? After all, he was supposed to offer up his esteemed opinion and put his rubber stamp on things (or at least provide a disembodied voiceover).

I can't imagine him to be disappointed with the outcome since it gives his thugs new hope for success in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

21 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:38pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

But Yahoo is trying to tell me the world love us again already:

Obama victory sparks cheers around the globe

I guess that love is only skin deep.

Yep - skin-deep gets it in one!

22 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:40pm

The dude said “The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it " Man is he on it or what!?

23 Pechon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:47pm

re: #2 dsrtegl

It's funny. This is exactly one of the reasons I don't like the Democrats myself.

You and me both, brother.

24 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:48pm

Another hundred years? Buddy, we want to rule for 10,000 years or the next ice age, whichever comes first.

25 J.D.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:11:50pm
Hope! Change!


Right! I keep forgetting!

26 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:12:25pm

The next 6 months are going to be mighty interesting.

Not much any of us can do now but watch and wait.....and hold on tight.

27 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:12:27pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Stunned none of you have said "RACIST!" yet. ;)

28 joncelli  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:12:28pm

Oh, and only a matter of a year or two before we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, so the love will just grow and grow.

29 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:12:32pm

re: #25 J.D.

Right! I keep forgetting!

Don't forget the waffles! Everybody love waffles!

31 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:05pm

My liberal Canadian wife was ecstatic this morning, as were my Canadian in-laws. They called and e-mailed us from Canada with tearful congratulations. God, this is hard to take. This is worse than when my Buffalo Bills lost their fourth consecutive Super Bowl.

re: #1 Sharmuta

But Yahoo is trying to tell me the world love us again already:

Obama victory sparks cheers around the globe

I guess that love is only skin deep.

32 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

Stunned none of you have said "RACIST!" yet. ;)

Thats unneccessary now ...

33 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:06pm

WTF? When did Democrat Pres. Bill Clinton lay "siege" to Iraq?

Was I sleeping during that siege?

34 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:27pm

I would like to see Obama nominate McCain Sec. of Defense,

And Palin, Sec. of Health and Human Services.

Any other suggestions?

Let us assume he will be a brilliant leader, what would he do, in the real world, now?

35 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:31pm

re: #30 MandyManners

"and the mask that the monsters wear as they feed upon their prey." - Portishead

36 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:45pm

I would bet anything, that a bunch of Jihad leaders in a room together would agree that Obama is good for them.
I am convinced that he is their guy, in spite what this guy says

37 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:51pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

Stunned none of you have said "RACIST!" yet. ;)

This is the post racial era remember? KUMBAYA la la

38 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:14:52pm

re: #31 Pyrocles

My liberal Canadian wife was ecstatic this morning, as were my Canadian in-laws. They called and e-mailed us from Canada with tearful congratulations. God, this is hard to take. This is worse than when my Buffalo Bills lost their fourth consecutive Super Bowl.

Want the name of a good divorce attorney?

*rad*

39 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:09pm

re: #33 Intrepid

WTF? When did Democrat Pres. Bill Clinton lay "siege" to Iraq?

Was I sleeping during that siege?

No-fly zone.

40 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:28pm

re: #33 Intrepid

WTF? When did Democrat Pres. Bill Clinton lay "siege" to Iraq?

Was I sleeping during that siege?

It's called the no-fly zones. Or maybe he's referring to Operation Desert Fox.

41 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:29pm

While I vehemently disagree with Mr. Obama on a great number of issues, I do not think he is evil, or that he wants to harm the country (in his view).

What I do believe is that he is wrong on a great number of things. I will support him when he is right, I will oppose him when he is wrong.

In 4 years when his supporters find out that he is not Christ incarnate and that he isn't going to pay their mortgages or put gas in their tanks, maybe the Republicans will have found a fresh candidate with a clear vision and message.

The upside is that now the Democrats have control, for better or worse. They will be judged harshly if they do not deliver on all of their promises (which they can't... no one can), and we will see a big swing at mid-term and in '12.

Maybe Sarah will have matured enough to be our fresh face. Maybe it will be someone else.

42 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:34pm

re: #35 bellamags

"and the mask that the monsters wear as they feed upon their prey." - Portishead

The new Democratic Party.

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:50pm

re: #31 Pyrocles

Only one way I could handle a relationship like that. But to tell you what that requires isn't fit for typing here...

/

44 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:15:57pm

Islam, like Al Gore, has no controlling legal authority.
The leaders in Islam can and do say anything and everything.
You can cherry pick from among their words to make just about any case you wish.
And, when one or some act, you can always find someone in authority had weighed in on it one way AND the other.

45 stevieray  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:17pm

The greater Middle East will be in flames within a year.

The Islamists in pakistan are not going to wait to figure out whether Obama was serious about his military intervention talk... they will take a "use it or lose it" attitude towards their prized nuke collection.

The factions in Iraq will begin jockeying for power and undoing much of what the surge accomplished... they don't think Obama will have the stomach to interfere in their internal and eternal disputes.

Domestic Islamists will begin demanding a complete withdrawal of American forces from the Middle East and a total abandonment of Israel... and if its not forthcoming, terror attacks will occur over here.

/peace thru weakness and dithering!

46 vapig  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:46pm

re: #22 Dave_Da_Kid

The dude said “The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it " Man is he on it or what!?

True. What they do to America and Americans is akin to slowly boiling a frog to death in a pan of water. They slowly chip away at our rights and freedoms and we don't notice the water has gone critical.

47 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:16:56pm

re: #41 dsrtegl

Of course he's evil. He plans to banrkupt the coal industry, he will take away our guns, he will tax the shit out of his--he will rob us of the fruits of our labor.

48 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:09pm

Hehe, it's tough, man...tough.

re: #43 Oh no...Sand People!

Only one way I could handle a relationship like that. But to tell you what that requires isn't fit for typing here...

/

49 amir  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:10pm

According to news reports Obama has Appointed Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. First time I've heard of him. According to wikipedia he's the son of Israelis and his father was in Irgun.

50 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:14pm

re: #39 MandyManners

No-fly zone.

Did we shoot down that many planes? Egads!

51 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:27pm

Iraq will resemble Somalia in a few short years. 4,000+ of our boys have now died for nothing.

52 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:37pm

One of my young friends (20 yrs) jokingly asked me if I was moving to Alaska now. I don't think she realizes Alaska is part of the USA. Oh the humanity.

53 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:44pm

yes yes, WE all know that the great Stan is the great Stan and there's no getting around it.

54 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:17:50pm

Btw - once he's in the White House, he'll learn pretty quickly that rethoric won't cut it - not when the CIA shows him where the next strike in the ME is expected.

And Washington being like a sieve - I'm sure we won't have to wait long for nice little leaks appearing in the papers ...

55 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:13pm

Iran welcomes Obama victory, warns US forces

'Obama's election as the US president shows the American people's demand for essential changes in the country's domestic and foreign policies,' Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was quoted as saying by the official news agency IRNA, while urging the new administration 'to distance itself from the wrong approaches of current politicians.'

As the first reaction by an Iranian official earlier on Wednesday, Gholam-Ali Hadad-Adel - senior advisor to Iran's supreme leader - said the victory of the slogan of 'change' is the admission of the American people to the failure of Bush's policies.

'The next US president should abandon the course taken by President Bush and the American people have to change their policies in order to get rid of the quagmire that he created for them,' former parliament speaker Hadad-Adel was quoted as saying by Iranian media.

The reactions to the US elections came after a harshly worded statement issued earlier this morning by Iran's military, warning American forces in Iraq that it would strongly respond to any violation of Iranian airspace.

And so it starts.

/your world atlas will soon be obsolete

56 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:15pm

re: #33 Intrepid

WTF? When did Democrat Pres. Bill Clinton lay "siege" to Iraq?

Was I sleeping during that siege?

Southern and Northern Watch! Are you kidding? You forgot already? I had friends who deployed as some of the first "expeditionary" units and developed the how-to manual for that... which has turned into pretty much our main way of doing stuff now.

57 deanayer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:15pm

...wait , when did Clinton Kill Iraqis ? What during the no-fly zone period? Am I missing a war here somewhere? I do like how these scumbags waited a good 12-14 hours before MF'ing the president-elect that shows they gave him a chance to surrender at least. Now according to islamofascist war arent they supposed to present their declaration of war IN WRITING or something? Maybe that will show up around the time our troops absentee ballots find their way into the US and straight into the dumpster.

58 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:23pm

re: #50 Intrepid

Did we shoot down that many planes? Egads!

No but, we killed sick Iraqi babies according to that dead bastard, Saddam Hussein.

59 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:26pm

Alaska is looking better and better to this old huntress/fisherwoman.

60 soccerdad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:18:37pm

well given the enemy of my enemy is my friend. My friend BHO? eeewwwwww.

61 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:02pm
Btw - once he's in the White House, he'll learn pretty quickly that rethoric won't cut it - not when the CIA shows him where the next strike in the ME is expected.

Obama will say "what the f*ck?! Turns our Bush was right all along?"

62 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:03pm

re: #51 Lizard by the Bay

Iraq will resemble Somalia in a few short years. 4,000+ of our boys have now died for nothing.

I think they, their families, and many Americans (like me) would disagree with that statement. None of them have died for nothing.

63 little blessing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:10pm

re: #49 amir

Means nothing. He is as liberal as they come.

64 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:13pm

I think he'll learn quickly that the world isn't all rainbows and butterflies. I hope he's a fast learner.

re: #54 yma o hyd

Btw - once he's in the White House, he'll learn pretty quickly that rethoric won't cut it - not when the CIA shows him where the next strike in the ME is expected.

And Washington being like a sieve - I'm sure we won't have to wait long for nice little leaks appearing in the papers ...

65 eon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:25pm

The great conceit of "progressives" is that they are as universally loved as they believe "reactionaries" are universally hated by all "right-thinking people" (defined as "anyone the progressives define as 'oppressed' or 'the good guys' based on hating the same people the progressives do').

Where the trouble starts is with the progressives' inability to grasp the concept that our enemies abroad regard the United States as a whole, and Americans in toto regardless of politics, as "the Enemy."

When jihadists speak of "the near enemy" they mean Israel. When they refer to "the far enemy" they mean anyone and anything marked "U.S.A." and they consider politics, religion and/or ethnicity irrelevant. To them, we are "The Great Satan", regardless of who's in charge.

The Exalted One and his acolytes are about to find out the hard way that their entire worldview is built on a series of false assumptions. It will be interesting to see if they have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge this fact when the inevitable happens- and reality hits them right in the chops.

cheers

eon

66 vapig  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:38pm

re: #49 amir

According to news reports Obama has Appointed Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. First time I've heard of him. According to wikipedia he's the son of Israelis and his father was in Irgun.

He's a Clintonista and a thug. Obama is already setting the tone for his administration and it's going to be a mean one.

67 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:54pm

What I've been saying. They're missing Bush, with his white skin, his inarticulacy and his almost universal unpopularity already. With McCain, it would have been easy for them to continue to muddy the issues of the war on terror with smears of 'racist!' and 'warmonger!'etc and they could have counted on the support of the moonbats on that, as they did with Bush. Obama is potentially a far more awkward proposition for them.

68 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:19:54pm

lmao, better listen to Islamists when they are being honest, Mr. President elect.

69 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:20:29pm

re: #54 yma o hyd

Btw - once he's in the White House, he'll learn pretty quickly that rethoric won't cut it - not when the CIA shows him where the next strike in the ME is expected.

And Washington being like a sieve - I'm sure we won't have to wait long for nice little leaks appearing in the papers ...

We had our rude awakening last night and this morning. Obama will have his when he gets his first Daily Threat Assessment.

70 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:20:37pm

re: #49 amir

According to news reports Obama has Appointed Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. First time I've heard of him. According to wikipedia he's the son of Israelis and his father was in Irgun.

Does HAMAS realise this?
And do the Greeks know this? They were saying yesterday that with B0 in the White House, the evil Joooos won't have much to say now in American politics ...

71 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:20:53pm

I know a young man who graduated from the Naval Academy. He just finished basic flight school and is about to start Helo training. He is afraid his career in the Navy is over before it is started. So am I.

72 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:09pm
73 MattMacD  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:10pm
“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body."

+1

74 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #49 amir

Read his wikipedia entry - he's neck deep in the Chicago group, including an "activist" American Jewish mother. They think they're helping people... and their perceived ends justify the questionable means...

75 dmjung  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Of course he's evil. He plans to banrkupt the coal industry, he will take away our guns, he will tax the shit out of his--he will rob us of the fruits of our labor.

Roy? You just blew the sh*t out of our fruits.

76 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:32pm

re: #56 Sunlight

Southern and Northern Watch! Are you kidding? You forgot already? I had friends who deployed as some of the first "expeditionary" units and developed the how-to manual for that... which has turned into pretty much our main way of doing stuff now.

I was out of the country for the whole decade, mostly, and got only scant American news.

77 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:52pm

re: #49 amir

Oh yes, the Obama loves to surround himself with court Jews.

78 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:53pm
Btw - once he's in the White House, he'll learn pretty quickly that rethoric won't cut it - not when the CIA shows him where the next strike in the ME is expected.

You could argue that the left was right about one thing...Clinton's seige of Iraq was horrible on the Iraqi population. That shows that you need to win a war, not go half way. Yes, I know that wasn't an option in 1991 with the agreements we had, but just pointing out...

79 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:21:57pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Of course he's evil. He plans to banrkupt the coal industry, he will take away our guns, he will tax the shit out of his--he will rob us of the fruits of our labor.

I'm a BIG gun owner, and an NRA life member, I pay WAY too many taxes. I'm with ya, but what I was getting at is that he is well-intentioned, however misguided.

Here's the silver lining: We are judged on results, not intentions. He will not get good results, which bodes well for us in '12. I do not wish failure upon him, for if I did that, I would be no better than the lefties. I do know failure will happen on its own, and then we'll be in a stronger position.

80 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:22:16pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Barack Obama is BLACK? Huh! Who knew. I voted against him based on the content of his character.

81 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:22:28pm

re: #57 deanayer

...wait , when did Clinton Kill Iraqis ? What during the no-fly zone period? Am I missing a war here somewhere? I do like how these scumbags waited a good 12-14 hours before MF'ing the president-elect that shows they gave him a chance to surrender at least. Now according to islamofascist war arent they supposed to present their declaration of war IN WRITING or something? Maybe that will show up around the time our troops absentee ballots find their way into the US and straight into the dumpster.

And don't forget that fine Oil for Food program, which spread the wealth around (except to the starving Iraqis who were supposed to be fed by it).

82 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:22:29pm

re: #34 Ojoe,

McCain as SECDEF would be an awesome pick....but there is no way McCain would take it.

I can't think of a Dem who would be worther, but Obama did have a bunch of generals who supported his candidacy. Please, lord, don't let him pick Weasily Clark.

83 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:22:35pm

re: #75 dmjung

Roy? You just blew the sh*t out of our fruits.

Huh?

84 runrabbitrun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:23:24pm

I am working a countdown till the day that the new Islamist rage will be focused on teaching the masses to obliterate the US because their President Obama is an apostate who left Islam.

85 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:23:39pm

re: #58 MandyManners

No but, we killed sick Iraqi babies according to that dead bastard, Saddam Hussein.

Although he was hanging around for a while, he's urrently not available for comment.

Heh.

86 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:23:47pm

re: #82 DeafDog

re: #34 Ojoe,

McCain as SECDEF would be an awesome pick....but there is no way McCain would take it.

I can't think of a Dem who would be worther, but Obama did have a bunch of generals who supported his candidacy. Please, lord, don't let him pick Weasily Clark.

Has there been talk that he would use Republicans in his administration?

87 Griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:23pm

“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

Hmmm. They got that part right about Obama.

88 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:29pm
89 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:32pm

re: #79 dsrtegl

Road to hell paved with good intentions ring a bell? Keep your powder dry.

90 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:34pm

re: #10 Billy Hank

Shocka, Shocka. Islamists still hate the U.S. All that Hope and Change for nothing.

What a dumb ass remark. Do you think it would have mattered who was elected yesterday? McCain, Obama, McKinney, hell, those crazies in the middle east would still be pushing and pressuring us.

Look, Obama hasn't spent 1 hour "leading" anything yet, so it's a fucking cheap shot on your part to imply the his rhetoric about "hope and change" was for naught.

And no, I didn't vote for him blah, blah, blah...

91 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:38pm

re: #34 Ojoe

... Let us assume he will be a brilliant leader, what would he do, in the real world, now?

The first thing he'll need to do is make a significant executive decision. Something he has NEVER DONE IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

92 Dave_Da_Kid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:47pm

re: #86 Creeping Eruption

Has there been talk that he would use Republicans in his administration?

USE being the operative term...

93 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:48pm

re: #79 dsrtegl

I'm a BIG gun owner, and an NRA life member, I pay WAY too many taxes. I'm with ya, but what I was getting at is that he is well-intentioned, however misguided.

Here's the silver lining: We are judged on results, not intentions. He will not get good results, which bodes well for us in '12. I do not wish failure upon him, for if I did that, I would be no better than the lefties. I do know failure will happen on its own, and then we'll be in a stronger position.

I don't think that he has a single good intention for America.

BTW, you know to what good intentions pave.

94 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:48pm

More than 0bama's surprise to find the global love is short lived will be the surprise of his followers.

"But...but...but we gave you 0bama so you would love us again?! Why do you still hate us?"

Oh, boy. It's never pretty when rose colored glasses fall off the face.

95 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #69 Intrepid

We had our rude awakening last night and this morning. Obama will have his when he gets his first Daily Threat Assessment.

President Bush already stated that he will be detailing him immediately. If Obama has an ounce of soul, he will realize just how stalwart President Bush has actually been in order to be as unbending and unyielding to the burdens he has been silently carrying and the herculean work he has been doing to keep us protected. Hopefully Obama has his eyes opened.

96 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:25:17pm

OT:

So, thanks for all the welfare free unicorns and welfare economic stimulus packages. Um, can I have a cigarette?

Leary/Whoever '12! A boot in every busket!

/just trying to lighten the mood a little :)

97 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:25:24pm

re: #34 Ojoe

I would like to see Obama nominate McCain Sec. of Defense,

And Palin, Sec. of Health and Human Services.

Any other suggestions?

Let us assume he will be a brilliant leader, what would he do, in the real world, now?

I heard that Kerry is loudly expressing interest in Sec of State. No joke.

98 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:25:31pm

With all the talk about expanding server capacity, which would be a good thing naturally, I'm finding that following the new posts is an exercise in futility. If I respond to one post with a reasonably thoughtful answer I find myself hopelessly behind, wonder who will even read it, and have to choose between attempting to continue that debate or jump to the next thread which has sprung up while I was trying to decide at what point to follow the present thread.

99 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:25:36pm

re: #78 Dave the.....

You could argue that the left was right about one thing...Clinton's seige of Iraq was horrible on the Iraqi population. That shows that you need to win a war, not go half way. Yes, I know that wasn't an option in 1991 with the agreements we had, but just pointing out...

NO. NO. NO.

Saddam Hussein screwed the Iraqis.

100 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:25:49pm

No one believes themselves to be evil. Even Hitler saw himself as the "good guy". I also think Obama truly means well, but looking at who he is and his past (lack of) accomplishments, does not bode well. He believes in a failed ideology, for one thing.


re: #79 dsrtegl

I'm a BIG gun owner, and an NRA life member, I pay WAY too many taxes. I'm with ya, but what I was getting at is that he is well-intentioned, however misguided.

Here's the silver lining: We are judged on results, not intentions. He will not get good results, which bodes well for us in '12. I do not wish failure upon him, for if I did that, I would be no better than the lefties. I do know failure will happen on its own, and then we'll be in a stronger position.

101 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:00pm

re: #85 Intrepid

Although he was hanging around for a while, he's urrently not available for comment.

Heh.

LOL!

102 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:00pm
103 gregg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:06pm

Any military people (or people with husbands, wives, sons, daughters in the military) here? Any idea what the impact will be on current members re-upping or the ability to recruit?

104 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #49 amir

According to news reports Obama has Appointed Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. First time I've heard of him. According to wikipedia he's the son of Israelis and his father was in Irgun.

He's a Clinton staffer, and is known to be ruthless. He's a Chicago machine politician and arrogant. I'm sure that will really set the tone for bipartisanship.

105 Summersong  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:08pm

Gee, market is down over 400 points. Not exactly a surprise...

106 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:09pm

#41 dsrtegl

Then again - Lenin and Mao thought they were doing what was best, too.

107 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #69 Intrepid

We had our rude awakening last night and this morning. Obama will have his when he gets his first Daily Threat Assessment.

Yep - and there will be no teleprompter then ...
I just hope that he'll accept that there are some areas where Ayers and his cronies simply have no expertise - and where $oros won't be of ny help either.
I just hope that he'll accept that some people in the CIA and the NSA actually do know whereof they speak when they warn or advise.

108 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:19pm

Russia Flexes Its Muscles — That Didn't Take Long

In a wide-ranging attack on the United States as it elected a new president, the Russian leader Dmitri A. Medvedev warned on Wednesday that Moscow might deploy short-range missiles in the Baltic region to counter a perceived threat from a proposed American missile defense shield in Eastern Europe.

/China is loving every minute of this

109 eon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:21pm

re: #49 amir

According to news reports Obama has Appointed Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff. First time I've heard of him. According to wikipedia he's the son of Israelis and his father was in Irgun.

Emanuel had the same position in the Clinton White House. He was noted for being rude and profane toward the staff (had a habit of cussing people out, often for inconsequential things.). He also tended to get really touchy if anyone mentioned his background, as he was not kindly disposed toward Israel for some reason.

Source; Unlimited Access; An FBI Agent Inside The Clinton White House by Gary Aldrich.

cheers

eon

110 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:30pm

The US of A, the Great Satan, a change in President will never change that opinion of America by all of Islam.

By the way, how are the hangovers?

111 runrabbitrun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:34pm

re: #10 Billy Hank

Shocka, Shocka. Islamists still hate the U.S. All that Hope and Change for nothing.

And the MSM's Hope and Change! love from the globe is only Spin and Cherrypicking.

112 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #103 gregg

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

113 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:40pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit! Sorry, NSFW language there. Sorry.

114 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:26:45pm

re: #88 taxfreekiller

Sarah Palin,

You only have a few days, not weeks to say you do not support,
"a path to citizenship".

John McCain will go back to the Senate and he will vote "yes" on
a Obama, La Raza, Pelosi, Kennedy/Reid amnesty bill.

You do not have to jump into the deep blue sea with the RINO's,
your choice, but make it soon. Time and tide await no one.

Yours true,
"We the People"

I was just thinking...does McCain back in the senate add a +1 to the Democrat Senate numbers? I hate to think so...but I think so.

115 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:27:08pm

Anyone see this?

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]

116 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:27:19pm

re: #85 Intrepid

PIMF - currently

D'OH!

117 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:27:58pm

re: #99 MandyManners

NO. NO. NO.

Saddam Hussein screwed the Iraqis.


Well he may have, he took viagara EVERY DAY!

118 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

More than 0bama's surprise to find the global love is short lived will be the surprise of his followers. "But...but...but we gave you 0bama so you would love us again?! Why do you still hate us?" Oh, boy. It's never pretty when rose colored glasses fall off the face.

And really, I don't think Obama is so stupid to think that global love would be pouring out of the middle east as soon as he was elected. It's simply projection on the part of his supporters thinking that it will be easy.

I'm pretty sure BO understands what's ahead, whether he can handle it or not, that's another story, to be continued...

119 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:15pm

re: #88 taxfreekiller
McCain was a champion of amnesty & porous borders, yet Latinos gave him less support than Bush got. They broke big for Barry.
I think that the reason is that Obama promises every thing that McCain does, plus lots of free stuff.

120 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:22pm

i think they are lying. if for no other reason, they prefer obama because he is weak. except the saudis who need our protection. most of the other moslems are hoping for a useful tool. that obama will favor them over israel. he has already shown that he does.
and i don't think they need an inspiration for jihad. they have the koran,
i think most moslems are curious abt. obama. intrigued. anxious to see what's in it for them.

121 Suzette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:40pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

What a strange 24 hours it's been. I never thought I'd live to agree with an imam.

Indeed and depressing to boot.

122 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:44pm

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

"Ten thousand? We were talking about a lot more money than this."

"Yes, sir, we were. But we were talking then. This is genuine coin of the realm, sir. With a dollar of this you can buy more than with ten dollars of talk."

--The Maltese Falcon

and so the answer is . . .

123 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #115 The Other Les

Anyone see this?

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]


Yes, clever. Walking on water, but the moment the doubt sets in, you sink............and the sharks are waiting.

124 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:35pm

re: #91 Son of the Black Dog

The first thing he'll need to do is make a significant executive decision. Something he has NEVER DONE IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

I don't think HE will be making any decisions.

125 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:51pm

re: #41 dsrtegl

While I vehemently disagree with Mr. Obama on a great number of issues, I do not think he is evil, or that he wants to harm the country (in his view).

However, IMHO, he is a man who is basically weak, at his core, and that he will be unduly influenced by people who do not have the best interests of our country at heart. To put it in the mildest manner possible.

126 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:54pm

Churchill said America is sometimes more of a trial to our friends than to our enemies. As a Jew I understand the baffled anguish that our friends feel as they witness our tortured ability to rationalize conduct that is objectively self destructive on the part of Jews or hostility by others.

127 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:57pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

More than 0bama's surprise to find the global love is short lived will be the surprise of his followers.

"But...but...but we gave you 0bama so you would love us again?! Why do you still hate us?"

Oh, boy. It's never pretty when rose colored glasses fall off the face.

Heh.
Should've listened to Biden - he's warned them all during the campaign.

128 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:29:58pm

bbl

129 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:29pm

re: #104 lawhawk

He's a Clinton staffer, and is known to be ruthless. He's a Chicago machine politician and arrogant. I'm sure that will really set the tone for bipartisanship.

Emanuel is a foul mouthed little punk.

130 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:32pm

re: #98 Salem

With all the talk about expanding server capacity, which would be a good thing naturally, I'm finding that following the new posts is an exercise in futility. If I respond to one post with a reasonably thoughtful answer I find myself hopelessly behind, wonder who will even read it, and have to choose between attempting to continue that debate or jump to the next thread which has sprung up while I was trying to decide at what point to follow the present thread.

An unbearable bounty!
/I know what you mean... I never even figure out that there *is* a new thread until I'm the only one left on the current thread and the next one already has hundreds of comments. I keep wishing there were a way to have a little box pop up when a new thread starts...

131 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:35pm
132 dmjung  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:42pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Huh?

Obscure quote from Shanghai Knights movie.

Roy tells the other train robbers to prepare to enjoy the fruits of the labor. In the meantime, the dynamite is moved from around the safe so that it blows it out of the train. The crazy guy from Texas than utters the quote.

I have a feeling that their attempts to latch on to more of our fruits will have similar unsuccessful results.

133 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:30:51pm

Took hours to get into LGF. Where is the free beer?

134 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

I predict that China is doing more than smiling,perhaps cooking up a Tawain situation. Didn't W have one of those very early on?

135 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:10pm

re: #108 Killian Bundy

Russia Flexes Its Muscles — That Didn't Take Long

/China is loving every minute of this

Poor Poland. To be faced with an energized and frisky Russia and to be sold out by Barry's administration. I have NO FAITH WHATSOEVER that Barry will put up a missile defense shield anywhere.

136 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:32pm

re: #133 lifeofthemind

Took hours to get into LGF. Where is the free beer?

Next to the free gas and free mortgages...

137 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:33pm
The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

You know, some fatwas are only scary because they are all-too accurate.

138 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:41pm

re: #130 Sunlight

An unbearable bounty!
/I know what you mean... I never even figure out that there *is* a new thread until I'm the only one left on the current thread and the next one already has hundreds of comments. I keep wishing there were a way to have a little box pop up when a new thread starts...

And if I get the spinning pizza of death at any point, fugedaboudit!

139 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:31:46pm

re: #100 Pyrocles

No one believes themselves to be evil. Even Hitler saw himself as the "good guy". I also think Obama truly means well, but looking at who he is and his past (lack of) accomplishments, does not bode well. He believes in a failed ideology, for one thing.

I believe we just said the same thing in two different ways. What I'm doing is trying ever-so-hard not to have Obama Derangement Syndrome. I'm trying HARD to be the shepherd. I refuse to stoop to their level. Won't do it.

I will let him fail on his own, then I will point it out to the "swing voters" who actually decide the election. By not sounding like a "crazy wingnut" we can convince them that they made a bad choice with Obama, and change their minds.

/Keeping Positive.

140 amir  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:15pm

Thanks to all those that responded to my comment.

141 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:18pm

119 Opinion

McCain was a champion of amnesty & porous borders, yet Latinos gave him less support than Bush got. They broke big for Barry.
I think that the reason is that Obama promises every thing that McCain does, plus lots of free stuff.

You just summed up current politics. Bush and the Republicans in Congress gave everything to everyone, and look at what that got them. You can NEVER outspend Democrats. Example..Africa. Bush said he is going to piss away...I think it was $30,000,000,000 on it. Democrats came back and said, no, lets throw away $48,000,000,000. Bush said "okay!", then the Democrats said "Bush is a monster who wants to kill people of color".

Tim Pawlenty had a good line this fall (when he was under consideration for J-Macs VP). He said "we can never outspend the Democrats, so we need to spend more wisely. We are the Sam's Club Republicans".

142 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:46pm

My that was a quick honeymoon!

The tasteless, offensive and humourless UK cartoons of Obama have already started.

143 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:51pm

re: #133 lifeofthemind

Took hours to get into LGF. Where is the free beer?


LGF is a BYO. LGF is fair fizzing today compared to yesterday. I gave up.

144 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:53pm

It's been almost 24 hours since Obama became president elect.

Where's my free stuff?

145 Globular Cluster  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:32:58pm
“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

OTOH, if only this were true. I'd take a democrat administration that kills terrorists slowly and secretly rather than an administration that openly consorts and admires them. I think that is the real danger here. Hell, if Obama puts sanctions on Iran it will be a hell of a lot better than Obama signing a non-aggression treaty with it.

OTOH, I see Charles' point. Hopefully comments like these will not be lost on the Obama administration, and they will know the intractability of Salafi Islam.

So our choice, then, is a) the Muslim Brotherhood, which thinks Obama is awesome, or b) Qaradawi, who thinks democrats are more evil than republicans. Personally, I find a) more disturbing.

146 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:07pm

re: #44 mean Gene

Islam, like Al Gore, has no controlling legal authority.

Simile of the day! :)

147 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:35pm

re: #135 Russkilitlover

Poor Poland. To be faced with an energized and frisky Russia and to be sold out by Barry's administration. I have NO FAITH WHATSOEVER that Barry will put up a missile defense shield anywhere.

What! Why not?

/

148 Summersong  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:38pm

Did Obama withdraw all the troops from Iraq today? No? Tomorrow?

149 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:38pm

re: #135 Russkilitlover

Poor Poland. To be faced with an energized and frisky Russia and to be sold out by Barry's administration. I have NO FAITH WHATSOEVER that Barry will put up a missile defense shield anywhere.

Well, so much for Peace, Love, and Happy Chocolates.

150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:33:55pm

Does that mean they dont love us yet?

151 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:34:32pm

re: #82 DeafDog

Some people think he should keep Gates.

152 jorline  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:34:34pm

Well, it sure didn't take wiki long to update Rahm Emanuel's bio.

153 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:34:35pm

re: #107 yma o hyd

Yep - and there will be no teleprompter then ...
I just hope that he'll accept that there are some areas where Ayers and his cronies simply have no expertise - and where $oros won't be of ny help either.
I just hope that he'll accept that some people in the CIA and the NSA actually do know whereof they speak when they warn or advise.

We need to start a "Obama-isms" count, as has been done with GWB. The O had some great ones during the campaign for us to start out with:

* Asthmatic kids who use "Breathalyzers"
* 57 states
* "We live in the greatest country on earth - now join with me as we change it"

etc.

154 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:35:09pm

re: #140 amir

Thanks to all those that responded to my comment.


At least you got a response.

155 Dizzy26  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:35:20pm

I've always been a G.W. Bush fan, but after reading this report, my
admiration'Yellowcake'... for him and my disgust for liberals and their methods has swelled immensely.

/Great article-

156 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:35:26pm

re: #145 Globular Cluster

OTOH, if only this were true. I'd take a democrat administration that kills terrorists slowly and secretly rather than an administration that openly consorts and admires them.

Me too. But if it secret, how will we know.

157 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:16pm

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking,"

So it appears Biden's warning about O being tested took, like one day after the election, to be realized and not six months. Yes Biden the world of Islam is looking and they don't like America any better now than they did before O was elected. In fact they realize the Democrats are weak because they deceive and kill you slowly so they have given themselves justification to test you all that much more quickly. I hope you wake up and smell the coffee before you decide to pull out of Iraq Mr. Obama (with my only due respect afforded).

158 witness  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:29pm

So Islamists will strike us to harden Nossiah's heart and mold him into an obvious enemy.

159 gregg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:34pm

When I read about people around the world celebrating Obama's victory, I find myself hoping that Obama implements his protectionist policies, so they can share I joy over the next few years.

160 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:36:49pm

OT:

So yesterday, I predicted the Dow would be down 750 today. Comment
Dow down right now 415.

161 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:21pm

re: #142 Kenneth

My that was a quick honeymoon!

The tasteless, offensive and humourless UK cartoons of Obama have already started.

I think that last one pretty much nails how the world sees Barry.

162 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:31pm

re: #31 Pyrocles

My liberal Canadian wife was ecstatic this morning, as were my Canadian in-laws. They called and e-mailed us from Canada with tearful congratulations. God, this is hard to take. This is worse than when my Buffalo Bills lost their fourth consecutive Super Bowl.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Rush was talking about the looks on the faces of revelers when Obama was talking about sacrifice, and not getting everything right the first time - like huh?

watching people getting mugged by reality can be very therapeutic.

163 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:33pm

re: #142 Kenneth

Bush put up with it for 8 long years. Junior will have to suck it up.

164 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:39pm

re: #142 Kenneth

My that was a quick honeymoon!

The tasteless, offensive and humourless UK cartoons of Obama have already started.

Thats only Peter Brookes in the TIMES - he's always rather taste- and humourless, although occasionally he really hits the nail on the head ....

165 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:40pm

Obama's family celebrates with a Kenyan feast

Before journalists were requested to leave the compound to allow the Obamas to prepare for the feast - beside the chapatis, fleshly slaughtered beef and chicken was on the menu - Mama Sarah had time for a few more questions. Her advice to the new president?

"He should work very well globally, especially for global peace."

/whirled peas and slaughtered bull for everyone!

166 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:45pm

OK, he's a jihadi, but he has a point here: "Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body."

I didn't leave the Demcorat party, the Democart party left me. ~Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild

167 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #159 gregg

When I read about people around the world celebrating Obama's victory, I find myself hoping that Obama implements his protectionist policies, so they can share I joy over the next few years.


The pallies celebrated by firing 40 rockets into Israel.

168 Dahveed  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:48pm

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

169 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:37:58pm

I usually have about 20 customers by this time today - I have had 9.

170 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:14pm

re: #161 Russkilitlover

I think that last one pretty much nails how the world sees Barry.

Yeah well fuck them. For better or worse, he will be our president and making fun of him should be left to the best qualified - us!

171 jorline  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:18pm

re: #157 turn

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking,"

So it appears Biden's warning about O being tested took, like one day after the election, to be realized and not six months. Yes Biden the world of Islam is looking and they don't like America any better now than they did before O was elected. In fact they realize the Democrats are weak because they deceive and kill you slowly so they have given themselves justification to test you all that much more quickly. I hope you wake up and smell the coffee before you decide to pull out of Iraq Mr. Obama (with my only due respect afforded).

I posted this on another thread...Russia already kicks it up a knoch.

172 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:27pm

re: #158 witness

So Islamists will strike us to harden Nossiah's heart and mold him into an obvious enemy.

Made all the easier by him being either "Muslim consort with the infidel" or "ex-Muslim" in their eyes.

173 Sunlight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:38:49pm

re: #138 Salem

The important thing here (to me) is to absorb the points of view, learn new info, (laugh at some stuff), and formulate thoughts...

174 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

DUDE. I KNOW. wtf? he is a complete moron. How can anyone respect that jerk? Stuart Smiley? what a tool.

175 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:11pm

re: #152 jorline

Well, it sure didn't take wiki long to update Rahm Emanuel's bio.

Do they talk about him stabbing a steak knife repeatedly into the table while spewing the names of his enemies following each one with the word "Dead"?

176 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:15pm

/whirled peas and slaughtered bull for everyone!

Rotating title nomination.

177 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:21pm

re: #141 Dave the.....

119 Opinion


You just summed up current politics. Bush and the Republicans in Congress gave everything to everyone, and look at what that got them. You can NEVER outspend Democrats. Example..Africa. Bush said he is going to piss away...I think it was $30,000,000,000 on it. Democrats came back and said, no, lets throw away $48,000,000,000. Bush said "okay!", then the Democrats said "Bush is a monster who wants to kill people of color".

Tim Pawlenty had a good line this fall (when he was under consideration for J-Macs VP). He said "we can never outspend the Democrats, so we need to spend more wisely. We are the Sam's Club Republicans".

I think thats what really pisses me off about GWB. He tries to do the right thing (in his mind) and get along with the Dems all the while spreading our cheeks for them, and gets fucked for his trouble. Then he lines up to do it again, like it just doesn't register with him that these bastards aren't EVER gonna play ball for the good of the country, unless they can take credit for it while making GWB out to be a villain. He has been wearing a "kick me, I'm stoopid" sign on his back for 8 years.

178 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #135 Russkilitlover

Poor Poland. To be faced with an energized and frisky Russia and to be sold out by Barry's administration. I have NO FAITH WHATSOEVER that Barry will put up a missile defense shield anywhere.

Gee, if anyone has noticed, Russia has been flexing their muscles for a good two years now (at least "publicly").

They have been trying to build a coalition of non-OPEC oil producers like Uncle Hugo and Libya's Kaducky. They have made numerous deals for arms sales, trying to get some new ports, and Medevdev is simply a placeholder for Putin, "he'll be baaaaacccck."

Nothing has happened in Russia in the last twenty-four hours JUST because of the election.

179 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:39:58pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

Apparently the approval ratings for Congress aren't sufficiently comic that they decided to improve their chances for a perfect score.

180 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:40:10pm

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?

181 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:40:14pm

I plan to make full use of my "loyal opposition" status during the Obama administration.

I will grit my teeth and stop calling him Barry too, since he is going to be POTUS.

182 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:40:16pm

re: #153 Intrepid

You know - I think this may well start to hapen soon.
After all, now that he's Pres.elect, nobody can be accused of being a racist any longer, can they, when they satirise him?

183 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:40:17pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Obama's family celebrates with a Kenyan feast


/whirled peas and slaughtered bull for everyone!


I have read several articles to the effect that Kenyans believe that Obama will improve their economic situation.
He has already jumped into politics there, campaigning for Odinga.

184 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:40:30pm

re: #171 jorline

Hey, I would have beat you to it but I've been getting the circle of death until just a few minutes ago :.) Thanks, I'll check it out. BTW, what has been the general concensus of O's win here.

185 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:41:15pm

re: #142 Kenneth

My that was a quick honeymoon!

The tasteless, offensive and humourless UK cartoons of Obama have already started.

Kenneth, what a short honeymoon for sure!
The thing about this humor is that, were it not based on truth, it would not be funny.
So, 0bama's saying to the people of Congo,

"After Rwanda the world said, "Never Again!." And I promise you we will say that again after Congo.!"

, rings awfully true, doesn't it?

186 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:41:58pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Apparently the approval ratings for Congress aren't sufficiently comic that they decided to improve their chances for a perfect score.

I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, I'm gonna steal this fucking election if I have too!

187 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:42:28pm

re: #181 catttt

I plan to make full use of my "loyal opposition" status during the Obama administration.

I will grit my teeth and stop calling him Barry too, since he is going to be POTUS.

I dunno, eight years of Chimpy McBushitlerhalliburton is gonna be difficult to forget for me.

188 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:42:34pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

Norm won.

Precincts Reporting: 100.00% (4130 of 4130) Last update was: 11/5/2008 2:19:10 PM

US SENATOR
Totals Pct Graph
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437377 15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211629 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211167 41.98

/my vote counted, bracing for recount

189 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:18pm

OT lizards - you can help me with an advertisement I will run the 1st of December. I have a tanning salon/day spa. I usually run an ad with a pretty girl in a bikini which says "Look Hot when its Cold" at the top.

I was thinking about this : "Since we will all be rich, look like it" and have a girl in a short fur jacket, bikini and tiara.

Whaddaya think?

190 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:28pm

re: #152 jorline

Well, it sure didn't take wiki long to update Rahm Emanuel's bio.

What, did the delete the "vicious graceless partisan: narrow, hectic, unremittingly aggressive, vulgar, and impatient" part?

191 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:30pm

re: #171 jorline

Yes, I saw that on Drudge along with the Pali rockets into Israel. I consider the Islamic threat equally or more threatening. He's being tested on many more fronts in far less than the six months Biden predicted.

192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:36pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

Well, he's good enough, smart enogh, and gosh, darn it, people like him.

/

193 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:38pm

re: #162 DistantThunder

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Rush was talking about the looks on the faces of revelers when Obama was talking about sacrifice, and not getting everything right the first time - like huh?

watching people getting mugged by reality can be very therapeutic.

And after all their gloating now, it's going to be really nice to tell them 'told ya so!'
(Heh - I'm in an evil mood today ...)

194 Dizzy26  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:41pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

Yeep, the same ones that think the O is appropriate!

195 witness  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:43:52pm

re: #172 victor_yugo

Senator Government will now be President Capitulation. He will open the gates and let all the barbarians in. Soon the sovereign wealth funds will be buying up all universities. Next they will do away with the tax exemption for religious institutions and they will all be bought by outside interests as well.

America on Ebay. Sold to the highest bidder.

Not a shot fired. we go with a whimper, not a bang.

196 jorline  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:00pm

re: #175 DistantThunder

Do they talk about him stabbing a steak knife repeatedly into the table while spewing the names of his enemies following each one with the word "Dead"?

Nope...just that he's a class act guy...but I think he was a spokesman for Ginsu Knives.

197 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:05pm

re: #181 catttt

I shall continue to refer to him as the Obama. Perhaps I'll cap The, but that's it. Let 'em sue me.

198 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:34pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?

Dunno about the oceans, but our yard is still torn up by mole hills, so he hasn't healed the earth yet.

;-)

199 Llanite  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:35pm

Quote for the day:

"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."
-Thomas Jefferson

200 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:46pm

re: #189 bellamags

OT lizards - you can help me with an advertisement I will run the 1st of December. I have a tanning salon/day spa. I usually run an ad with a pretty girl in a bikini which says "Look Hot when its Cold" at the top.

I was thinking about this : "Since we will all be rich, look like it" and have a girl in a short fur jacket, bikini and tiara.

Whaddaya think?

Too subtle. People won't get it.

201 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:44:58pm

re: #169 bellamags

I usually have about 20 customers by this time today - I have had 9.

Everybody hung over?

202 gregg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:14pm

re: #105 Summersong

Gee, market is down over 400 points. Not exactly a surprise...

I thought an Obama win was priced into the market - at least that's what CNBC was saying before yesterday. So what are they blaming this on?

203 x-wing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:22pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?

Nothing on that yet, but I noticed today that a dead spot in my yard is showing life.

////the earth is healing

204 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:27pm

re: #189 bellamags

OT lizards - you can help me with an advertisement I will run the 1st of December. I have a tanning salon/day spa. I usually run an ad with a pretty girl in a bikini which says "Look Hot when its Cold" at the top.

I was thinking about this : "Since we will all be rich, look like it" and have a girl in a short fur jacket, bikini and tiara.

Whaddaya think?

How about "Skin cancer? Why worry, I have Nationalized Health Care Insurance"

////

205 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:30pm

re: #182 yma o hyd

You know - I think this may well start to hapen soon.
After all, now that he's Pres.elect, nobody can be accused of being a racist any longer, can they, when they satirise him?

Oh, I wish you were right, but think about it - just like during his campaign, during his tenure, any debate, criticism or otherwise dissent will be met immediately with cries of 'racism,' at least from some quarters. During the campaign, ANY question about his experience, alliances, etc, was denounced as racist, and for many, the stance was, "he's so perfect that if you don't vote for him, it's cause he's black." That'll be the position when anyone challenges him on anything, you watch - there will be no criticism allowed.

206 Former Belgian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:40pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

More than 0bama's surprise to find the global love is short lived will be the surprise of his followers.

"But...but...but we gave you 0bama so you would love us again?! Why do you still hate us?"

Oh, boy. It's never pretty when rose colored glasses fall off the face.

Your O key got replaced by a zero? :-)

There were stories (urban legends, probably) about all "W" keys having been removed from White House typewriters before Dubya took office. How about if all "O"s on WH typewriters and computer keyboards being replaced by zeros before January 20?

207 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:46pm

Does this mean my check from the Zionist Occupation Government is going to be late again?

208 Dahveed  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #188 Killian Bundy

But there were still over 1.2 million people in the state that voted for Al Franken. That is as scary as people voting for Barack Obama. What is in the water in Minnesota that there are that many people voting for that clown? There is something seriously wrong in Minnesota.

209 Steve Rogers  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:06pm
In a fatwa published on the eve of the U.S. elections, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi expressed his preference for Sen. John McCain as president:


He's just jealous that Obama has dinner with terrorists other than himself. Once Obama invites him over for dinner, jihadists like Al-Qaradhawi will come around.

210 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:16pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, he's good enough, smart enogh, and gosh, darn it, people like him.

/

Stuart Smalley's Daily Affirmations for the Inner Communist

Wednesday:

"I deserve all the mass adulation from the people I can get without feeling ashamed or being grandiose."

211 eon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:37pm

re: #177 maddogg

I think thats what really pisses me off about GWB. He tries to do the right thing (in his mind) and get along with the Dems all the while spreading our cheeks for them, and gets fucked for his trouble. Then he lines up to do it again, like it just doesn't register with him that these bastards aren't EVER gonna play ball for the good of the country, unless they can take credit for it while making GWB out to be a villain. He has been wearing a "kick me, I'm stoopid" sign on his back for 8 years.

President Bush, however well he performed in foreign policy, has spent eight years misunderstanding the bottomless hatred the anti-intellectual left in this country bears for this country. As such, he repeatedly extended them olive branches, and was repeatedly shocked when they set fire to them.

In this respect, he's like Charlie Brown when Lucy is holding the football.

Remember, she always has a "perfectly good reason" for yanking it away with a malicious grin on her face.

/I always wondered why Charlie didn't just get Linus to hold the football

cheers

eon

212 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:41pm

re: #204 OldLineTexan

do you really want me to bring up new research that shows otherwise? We have all been fed BS for years about UV light. But I won't get into it now.

213 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:44pm

re: #189 bellamags

OT lizards - you can help me with an advertisement I will run the 1st of December. I have a tanning salon/day spa. I usually run an ad with a pretty girl in a bikini which says "Look Hot when its Cold" at the top. I was thinking about this : "Since we will all be rich, look like it" and have a girl in a short fur jacket, bikini and tiara. Whaddaya think?

If you are being serious, then I would say not a good idea. What in the ad would establish that you are referencing the current administration and his political promises. Too confusing.

Really, it depends if you are interested in your business or using the ad to get in a personal jab to Obama. Personally, I would worry about my business, not the politics. Why waste your ad money on your politics, unless you are independently wealthy.

214 Killer Tomato  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:46pm

re: #202 gregg

I thought an Obama win was priced into the market - at least that's what CNBC was saying before yesterday. So what are they blaming this on?

Duh! Bush!
get with it, will ya?
/

215 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:46:51pm

re: #170 Creeping Eruption

Yeah well fuck them. For better or worse, he will be our president and making fun of him should be left to the best qualified - us!

Aww - cartoonists have made fun of Pres. Bush here for years - and of Tony Blair and his ministers. Now they make fun of Gord, and of Pres.elect B0 - thats how it works.
Gotta have a laugh!

216 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:47:29pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

My area is 80% rep.

217 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:47:47pm

As a Democrat, I was oblivious to politics. I voted Dem. That was it.

Then, in 1999, I found out a friend was a Republican. That gave me pause. You could be a Republican and be a human being! I started thinking about it more. Hey - I could vote for a Republican if I wanted to! I could vote on issues! What a concept.

Many, many Dems are still at the "that was it" stage. In a nice way, let people know they don't have to be a yellow dog Dem. One person can make a big difference.

218 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:47:52pm

Thanks Charles, I just got that article in my email. By the way, I also received a nice letter in the mail the other day from MEMRI, thanking me for my recent contribution. The letter then went on to list all the things MEMRI does, like helping our government in the WoT.

My guess is MEMRI will be persona non grata with the government after Obama takes office.

219 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:12pm

re: #207 lifeofthemind

We who are on the Zio-dole would be well advised to seek alternate sources of illicit income.

220 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:13pm

re: #189 bellamags

OT lizards - you can help me with an advertisement I will run the 1st of December. I have a tanning salon/day spa. I usually run an ad with a pretty girl in a bikini which says "Look Hot when its Cold" at the top.

I was thinking about this : "Since we will all be rich, look like it" and have a girl in a short fur jacket, bikini and tiara.

Whaddaya think?


Ha! You can pass out Obama gas cards as a door prize too.

221 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:15pm

Georg's predictions:
(I'm not sure which ones are supposed to be ironic, but maybe that's the point)

Foreign Policy

* Israel will *not* nuke Iran within the next 2 months. However there will be an *incredible* amount of behind the scenes debate about the possibility. In a vain attempt to gather international approval, in the end the Israelis will grit their teeth and wait to be nuked before returning fire. Hamas will begin “test runs” of dummy bombs into Israel in preparation for the real thing.
* Eavesdropping on foreign calls into the US for the purposes of preventing terrorist acts will continue. The NY Times will not report on it.
* All of the foreign terrorists will be released from Gitmo to foreign countries, where they will return to the battlefield sporting fantastic tans and great abs. Guantomo Bay will be given back to Cuba. Castro will demand money to go along with it, to clean up the mess the Americans leave behind.
* In order not to anger the Russians, SDI will be scotched, and any deployed antimissiles will be withdrawn. To show their appreciation, the Russians will take over management for the failed countries of Georgia, the Ukraine, and one other country to be named at a later date.
* Bin Laden will remain uncaptured, but will die of old age. Dems will declare victory.
* The US will withdraw totally from Iraq and Afghanistan. Both countries will plunge into full-fledged civil war. The Dem reaction will be able to be paraphrased as “Whew, good thing we got out when we did or we would be caught in that.”
* Billions of dollars in military budget will be transferred into social programs, which will not have a significant impact on reducing poverty. Dems will still claim more money is needed. Billions of these dollars will go to foreign aid. These countries will still hate us.

222 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:20pm

BBL got to go.

223 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:21pm

I'm considering always referring to Obama as "Chairman Zero" or "Dear Leader" to friends and family. Too kooky?

re: #197 vagabond trader

I shall continue to refer to him as the Obama. Perhaps I'll cap The, but that's it. Let 'em sue me.

224 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:28pm

re: #86 Creeping Eruption

Has there been talk that he would use Republicans in his administration?

SECDef would be the place to do it. I heard it rumored that many dems want Gates to continue. Gates declined.

225 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:41pm

re: #182 yma o hyd

You know - I think this may well start to hapen soon.
After all, now that he's Pres.elect, nobody can be accused of being a racist any longer, can they, when they satirise him?

Yes, I believe the race card can be officially retired from the deck. No need for the NAACP anymore, either. You can't get any more "advanced" than the presidency.

Silver linings.

226 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:48:48pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?

Aww - give the man a chance - he's not been sworn in yet!

227 Glackinspeil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:08pm

Welcome to the United States of France.
Gird your loins.

228 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:21pm

re: #208 Dahveed

What is in the water in Minnesota that there are that many people voting for that clown?

It's called the DFL endorsement.

/the Bonkey lemmings here will blindly vote for a picnic table if it has the DFL label on it

229 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:25pm

re: #200 Creeping Eruption

Too subtle. People won't get it.

I like it - I think people like us will get the sarcasm, and the rest, who really think their days of bill paying are over, will think it's just a straight line. Cute. :)

230 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:36pm

Politics

# A lot of judges will get appointed who believe the Constitution is unimportant. This will not begin to screw us up for years down the road. Probably two of them will be Liberal Supremes. Their replacements will be Liberal-er. Abortion law will remain unchanged.
# Millions of dollars will be found to have been illegally contributed to the O campaign by way of Visa. The press will yawn. A few thousand will get given back. Nobody will go to jail.
# All the fuss about illegal voters, fraudulent registrations, people who are on tape about voting twice, etc… will fade into the background. ACORN will collect a nice chunk of change post-election and get all set up to do it again in four years.
# At least one Republican will be found to have been denied their election by fraudulent votes. The press will run a brief story on page 12.
# Republicans in the Senate unite behind a leader and form a filibuster blocking group which prevents the most egregious of the Dems plans from going forward. It eventually breaks down as Sen. McCain leaves and votes with the Dems. (Like last time too)
# Senate Majority Leader Hillary Clinton will announce new massive health care legislation which will double in size by the time it passes Congress, resulting in an incomprehensibly twisted snarl of laws that doctors must negotiate in order to treat patients. The Dems express shock as Health Care costs rise.
# Illegal Immigrants will suddenly become US citizens. Nobody will quite know how, but INS will begin handing out green cards stapled to Democratic voting registration cards.
# An unofficial list of rates will begin circulating in Washington, listing the amount of Democratic political contributions it will take to get your company government contracts, H1B visas, etc…. Republican contributions by your company will suddenly become unofficially a reason to kick you from the same contracts.
# Yet another Assault Weapons ban will go thru Congress, defining them so broadly as to include about anything that goes *bang*. Some Republicans actually vote for it, explaining that it will be held unconstitutional. They are wrong.
231 oronpam  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:38pm

I live in the Minneapolis area and most folks I work with are scratching their heads regarding Franken. He got 1.2m votes and I've yet to come across one person who voted for him. If he somehow becomes our senator, we'll be wearing bags over our heads like fans at a Detroit Lions game.

232 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:44pm

re: #188 Killian Bundy

41.99% to 41.98%?

Wow

233 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:48pm

re: #211 eon

/I always wondered why Charlie didn't just get Linus to hold the football

It wasn't Charlie Brown's idea to kick the football. It was Lucy's.

(except when he tried to sneak up on her while he was invisible... and Snoopy spoiled it)

234 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:49:54pm

re: #206 Former Belgian

Your O key got replaced by a zero? :-)

There were stories (urban legends, probably) about all "W" keys having been removed from White House typewriters before Dubya took office. How about if all "O"s on WH typewriters and computer keyboards being replaced by zeros before January 20?

Not an urban legend......just reported again this morning on Fox News.

235 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:50:04pm

Economy

# The economy will continue a downward plummet as anybody with capital gains gets them out before Jan. The Dems pass another Ex Post Facto tax increase in February, raising cap gains back to Jan 1, 2009. Despite its unconstutionalisty, it remains in force. (Just like last time)
# My taxes will go up, despite the fact I only make a fraction of that 250k number that was so handily waved about. I will get a check from the federal government, but it will be for only about half of my increase (Here’s your $1000 check, that will be $2000 please).
# Carbon dioxide legislation will “breeze” thru congress and get signed into law. Gas, electricity, and other energy costs will begin skyrocketing. People who buy plug-in hybrids will suddenly wonder why they are not saving money.
# Gas prices will start back up the ladder as oil companies discover that regulation means it is cheaper to import all oil as refined products than to attempt to produce it here.
# Immigrants begin sneaking back home in order to get good paying jobs at Mexican oil refineries/oil fields. So do Americans.
# Inflation will begin roaring back. Congress will attempt to squelch it by printing more money, borrowing more, and taxing more. Unemployment will soon follow until they both hit double-digits. The phrase “Carter” will begin to be used in the same sentence as “Obama” a lot more.
236 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:50:11pm

Bibi Netanyahu '09!

Because you're gonna need the backbone, Israel!

237 Billy Hank  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:50:28pm

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

Au contraire, mon ami. I believe The One was deadly serious about his hopes and the change he wishes to bring. I oppose those. My comment was directed at those who thought The One's election would cast a loving net around the whole world while prancing unicorns led a glorious parade. Evidently his net did snare a wide variety.

238 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #223 Pyrocles

Dear leader is taken at the moment,methinks the 0 will be appropriate sooner than later.

239 mojo9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:16pm

“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body."
i wish i'd come up with that analogy!

240 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:19pm

My predictions (a repost from PJM Chrenkoff)

The American military will first be withdrawn and then will implode under the pressure of massive cutbacks and the exiting of career professionals. Obama will keep his campaign promises. He gave few specifics but those should be taken seriously. This will be followed by an orgy of violence around the world. Russia will bully, invade and blackmail its way back into power across the old Soviet empire. It started this morning with Medvedev scrapping the INF treaty to move missiles into Kaliningrad. The Baltic nations, Ukraine and the Caucasus are now naked in a jungle. The Chinese will find themselves recalculating the strategic choices Japan made in 1940, Strike North or Strike South? The people of Vietnam and The Philippines have reason to be afraid. The Indians face threats from China and disintegrating Pakistan. The tide of Nihilism from radicalizing Islam will send Indonesia along the path that Pakistan has followed. This will result in bloody carnage as the Chinese move in unconstrained by Western notions of constraint. Australia will be isolated and flickering in the gathering darkness. Africa will be the scene of massacres and disasters on a scale so vast as to strain human comprehension. The global economy, that gave some veneer of hope to those trying to escape from ignorance and subsistence living, will buckle under a wave of protectionism, regulation and asset grabs that are a return to Mercantilism and violence. Closer to home Chavez and the FARC will tear into Columbia like wolves on a horse. After that things will get ugly.

241 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:20pm

re: #224 DeafDog

SECDef would be the place to do it. I heard it rumored that many dems want Gates to continue. Gates declined.

Too bad. I hope that he is open to using qualified Republicans. I can hope can't I?

242 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:21pm

re: #216 bellamags

My area is 80% rep.

So what? As I said, there is NOTHING in the ad that would establish where you are coming from. Please, I write for part of my living. I put words on stage to paint a picture and bring an audience into the world that my actors are describing.

So, what are you going to do? Not try to bring in the other 20 percent of possible patrons?

Like I said, if you got money to blow, go for it. Gee, it will make you feel better right?

243 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:32pm
re: #180 Sharmuta

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?


re: #226 yma o hyd

Aww - give the man a chance - he's not been sworn in yet!

Maybe the Great One should head up to Maine to calm the waters:

Freak Waves Swamp Maine's Boothbay Harbor, Baffling Experts

244 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:44pm

Well I suppose "drill here, drill now" refers to the rear ends of those who will be buying fuel for the next four years....

245 sandspur  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:51:57pm

re: #33 Intrepid

WTF? When did Democrat Pres. Bill Clinton lay "siege" to Iraq?

Was I sleeping during that siege?

Oil for Food - you know when Hussein and his cronies stole all the food and money aid and Iraqis starved in their millions.

246 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:02pm

re: #206 Former Belgian

Pop of the H's (Hussein)

247 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:07pm

On the flip side, we can pretty much guarantee four more years of South Park.

248 x-wing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:11pm

re: #226 yma o hyd

Aww - give the man a chance - he's not been sworn in yet!

He did say that when he's elcteced these things would start happening, not when he's sworn in.

//just saying

249 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:52:53pm

re: #232 Silhouette

41.99% to 41.98%?

Wow

/only vote I cast yesterday that really mattered

250 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:02pm

The 'Arab street' as some people call it is a tough thing to measure. It can't be summed up easily because it's both fractured and fluid. Many people in the Middle East are thrilled about Obama. Some it seems are indifferent, or even disappointed.

Just a big ol' mess.

251 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:08pm
The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

"But enough about how Obama's election affects the people who voted for him....." Sheikh continued

252 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:50pm

re: #235 Kenneth

Sounds about right. Don't forget though, anyone grabbing cap gains before January will be hit with a retroactive tax bill, ala Clinton.

253 Dahveed  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:53:50pm

A co-worker just came over to my desk to gloat about the election. All I could tell her was that the rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor, health care will never be free, the earth will warm or cool because that's what it does despite us. There are people that still hate us no matter who the president is.

I'm telling you it may be a year or two, but there will be buyer's remorse. They will discover that this guy was all talk.

254 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:01pm

re: #225 dsrtegl

Yes, I believe the race card can be officially retired from the deck. No need for the NAACP anymore, either. You can't get any more "advanced" than the presidency.

Silver linings.

I think race will be at the forefront of any criticism of his policies, etc. It will be worse, not better.

255 catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:15pm

re: #197 vagabond trader

I shall continue to refer to him as the Obama. Perhaps I'll cap The, but that's it. Let 'em sue me.

OK. I admit it: I'll still call him the Great One and the Dear Leader, but I won't call him Barry any more. :D

256 Bobibutu  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #134 vagabond trader

I predict that China is doing more than smiling,perhaps cooking up a Tawain situation. Didn't W have one of those very early on?

Taipei and Beijing reach historic deal on direct flights, trade, postal services and food

[Link: www.asianews.it...]

257 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:32pm
They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

Well he certainly does understand the Democratic ideology, I'll give him that.

258 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:38pm

re: #205 Lorenska

Oh, I wish you were right, but think about it - just like during his campaign, during his tenure, any debate, criticism or otherwise dissent will be met immediately with cries of 'racism,' at least from some quarters. During the campaign, ANY question about his experience, alliances, etc, was denounced as racist, and for many, the stance was, "he's so perfect that if you don't vote for him, it's cause he's black." That'll be the position when anyone challenges him on anything, you watch - there will be no criticism allowed.

Thats one advantage of the internet - he cannot prevent stuff from outside the USA flooding in. Like that cartoon linked above from The Times London. Once its out it'll be spread.
He better get used to it - comes with the office!

259 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:40pm

Just got this in an e-mail - posted here w/o the graphics.
Maybe a little long.
Charels, I'm figuring you will just delete it if it takes up more space than its worth. I just love it though when I hear or read something from a perfect stranger that sums up something I've been thinking myself. He/she beat me to it. I wonder, if at some point this morning, maybe while in the john, Bush didn't toy with some of these thoughts - totally or in part.
The speech George W. Bush might give:

Normally, I start these things out by saying 'My Fellow Americans.' Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.
I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people. I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media.

Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this 'blood for oil' thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq 's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied...People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' In stead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty.< /I>

Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named ' Clinton ' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?
Now some of you morons want to be led by a junior senator with no understanding of foreign policy or economics, and this nitwit says we should attack Pakistan , a nuclear ally. And then he wants to go to Iran and make peace with a terrorist who says he's going to destroy us. While he's doing that, he wants to give Iraq to al Qaeda, Afghanistan to the Taliban, Israel to the Palestinians, and your money to the IRS so the government can give welfare to illegal aliens, who he will make int o citizens, so they can vote to re-elect him. He also thinks it's okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and we should stop our foreign aid to Israel . Did you sleep through high school?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to out spend and out-tech them.
cont'd.

260 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:54:51pm

re: #151 Kenneth

Some people think he should keep Gates.

My understanding is that Gates has already declined.

261 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:03pm

Speaking of MEMRI:

MEMRI TV: Egyptian Cleric Khaled Al-Gindi: Colombian Performer Shakira is a Whore

Well, there's no accounting for taste.

262 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:03pm

re: #250 Cognito

What the "Arab street" really thinks depends upon who is asking, and which Arab street you are referring too. The Egyptians may be happy, but the Iraqi's are worried.

263 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:06pm

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you, and the bastards are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time yo u send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times, USA Today, or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol or Dancing with Stars.
I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching.

I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient for years. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America ..

Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kiss off.


PS - You might want to start learning Farsi, and buy a Koran.

264 turn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:14pm

re: #212 bellamags

do you really want me to bring up new research that shows otherwise? We have all been fed BS for years about UV light. But I won't get into it now.

You goning to try and tell me basal cell carcinoma has nothing to do with UV light? Oh boy, can't wait for that doozy..

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:29pm
266 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:55:54pm

re: #177 maddogg

Bush has not been a bad President when you look at what he has done and all the difficulties that he has had to face. His first term was arguably the roughest first term of any President since Lincoln, and he mostly did OK. But he has completely failed to get across his narrative to the people. If Reagan was the Great Communicator, Bush could be called the Uncommunicator because he communicated so little with the American Populace. He has left it for his enemies to control the tone and subject of public discourse, and thus looks weaker than he was.

Seven years ago, who would have bet that we wouldn't have another major terrorist attack on the US by now? No, Bush has done reletively well. We got two good Supreme Court Justices, and the Heller decision. That alone may save us from great mischief in an Obama Administration.

267 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:56:51pm

re: #261 Ward Cleaver

I always thought that was her main charm.

268 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:56:58pm

I think Obama's community organization skills have properly prepared him for this challenge. Maybe he can send ACORN to Iran to help them with their next election.

/

269 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:57:08pm

re: #262 Kenneth

What the "Arab street" really thinks depends upon who is asking, and which Arab street you are referring too. The Egyptians may be happy, but the Iraqi's are worried.

Yes. And it varies from sect to sect, by education level, by mosque, urban or rural, young or old, etc ad nauseam.

270 Griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:58:02pm

Does anyone know what the Cabbage Patch dolls sold for on eBay? I can't seem to find them.

271 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:58:05pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/only vote I cast yesterday that really mattered

Killian, fellow Minnesotan - do you know if the latest numbers on the Secretary of State's website for Coleman-Franken include absentee ballots?

272 Summersong  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:58:24pm

re: #160 Semper Gumbi

OT:

So yesterday, I predicted the Dow would be down 750 today. Comment
Dow down right now 415.


Over 500 now...

273 tardis  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:59:05pm

A bit off topic.

There has been speculation on Rahm Emanuel being selected as chief of staff for the president elect.

I went to his wikipedia page which has some biographic information about him, as well as a whole lot of antisemitic drivel. It states that his father is an Irgun terrorist, that he molests young boys, he is a secretly a Mossad agent and received some sort of illegal $18 million payoff.

I am not so good with wikipedia, and it is mostly junk but this particular page kinda stinks. Anyone here know a good way to fix it?

274 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #261 Ward Cleaver

Speaking of MEMRI:

MEMRI TV: Egyptian Cleric Khaled Al-Gindi: Colombian Performer Shakira is a Whore

Well, there's no accounting for taste.


Thats arab double speak for "she is hot and I want her in my harem"

275 Suzette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:59:20pm

re: #142 Kenneth

My that was a quick honeymoon!

The tasteless, offensive and humourless UK cartoons of Obama have already started.

Too many failed to see no matter who is our president ......they would still hate us. Par for the course.
/all the people who voted for him will know .....it is not all rainbows and butterflies.

276 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:59:35pm

re: #256 Bobibutu

Jeez, how do we get product safety agreements from China? Ok China on hold, for now, just throw a dart, bound to hit a hot spot that our new POTUS is ill prepared to handle.

277 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #254 Russkilitlover

I think race will be at the forefront of any criticism of his policies, etc. It will be worse, not better.

Exactly - it was bad enough being gagged during the election, for fear of being branded a hater or a racist, but when he'll be able to get his way all the time as President, because no one will dissent for fear of being labeled a bigot - rather than just disagreeing with his policies - it'll be even worse for this country.

278 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:00:07pm

re: #206 Former Belgian

There were stories (urban legends, probably) about all "W" keys having been removed from White House typewriters before Dubya took office. How about if all "O"s on WH typewriters and computer keyboards being replaced by zeros before January 20?

The stories were at first pooh-poohed as urban legends, such as this story in May 2001:
The White House vandal scandal that wasn't

Last week it was revealed that a formal review by the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative agency, "had found no damage to the offices of the White House's East or West Wings or EOB" and that Bush's own representatives had reported "there is no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the employees of the Clinton administration."

But then contrary to that, a year later, when the actual GAO report is issued:
US Report Confirms Vandalism as Clinton Left White House

"Incidents such as the removal of keys from computer keyboards;the theft of various items; the leaving of certain voice mail messages, signs, and written messages; and the placing of glue on desk drawers clearly were intentional acts," the 215-page report concluded.

So it was true, then dismissed, then found to have been true all along.

279 eon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:00:39pm

re: #197 vagabond trader

I shall continue to refer to him as the Obama. Perhaps I'll cap The, but that's it. Let 'em sue me.

He's The Exalted One now, IMHO, by virtue of having won the election.

The thing is, I strongly suspect that unlike Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy, both of whom he has compared himself to, he does not comprehend that it is the office which gives dignity and respect to its holder, and not the other way around.

cheers

eon

280 cagney  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:00:50pm

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

281 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:00:55pm

re: #254 Russkilitlover

I'm afraid you are right. Anyone who disagrees with Obama's policy will be branded a racist. This will choke off all political debate during the Obama Administration.

282 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:01:53pm

re: #266 Iron Fist

I would have to say FDR had a rougher time in '41, (but that wasn't his first term.)

Bush is condemned almost entirely because of Iraq, because everybody knows the war was based on lies and was a total failure. Except it wasn't and it's not. Look at the Middle East in 10 or 20 years from now. Unless Obama totally screws it up, Iraq will be a free & democratic ally of the West. Democracy will have spilled over to a few other states as well (Jordan, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon ...Iran). Bush's historical legacy will look very different by then.

283 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:02:21pm

Well, the financial markets voted. Down 500 on the Dow and 50 on the S&P500. A major, embarrassing and not unexpected thumbs down on The One.

284 SevoGuy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:03pm

This shit stain, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, got the discreption of a democrat down. The Demonocrats arent' fooling these arab idiots one bit.

What Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi should have said was, "the demonocrats will have you eating pork and screwing 72 virgin guys before you know it.

Hat tip to this observant Shit Stain.

285 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:05pm

re: #212 bellamags

do you really want me to bring up new research that shows otherwise? We have all been fed BS for years about UV light. But I won't get into it now.

I guess I could show you the row of sarc tags I put on that, but maybe I won't. I.e., it was said in jest.

Maybe instead of tanning beds we could come up with a skin thickening bed.

/of course, much "research" also "proves" global warming

286 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:16pm

re: #281 Iron Fist

I'm afraid you are right. Anyone who disagrees with Obama's policy will be branded a racist. This will choke off all political debate during the Obama Administration.

They will only get away with it until someone has the courage to say "Nope, doesn't hold water anymore. Try Again, this time with a substantive argument." I volunteer to start. Make them support their arguments with fact and logic.

287 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:21pm

re: #271 arethusa

Killian, fellow Minnesotan - do you know if the latest numbers on the Secretary of State's website for Coleman-Franken include absentee ballots?

/they're supposed to all be counted on election day

288 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:23pm

re: #280 cagney

Some of us find hyphenating Americans offensive, including blacks.Personal preference.

289 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:38pm

re: #269 Cognito

What are you saying? That 325 million people aren't a monolithic stereotype? Get outta here!

//

290 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:03:59pm

How now Dow Jones? -489.52 (-5.09%)
Hopenchanginess!

291 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:04:06pm

re: #273 tardis

A bit off topic.

There has been speculation on Rahm Emanuel being selected as chief of staff for the president elect.

I went to his wikipedia page which has some biographic information about him, as well as a whole lot of antisemitic drivel. It states that his father is an Irgun terrorist, that he molests young boys, he is a secretly a Mossad agent and received some sort of illegal $18 million payoff.

I am not so good with wikipedia, and it is mostly junk but this particular page kinda stinks. Anyone here know a good way to fix it?

Unless it's locked, you can click on "Edit" in any section, and edit it. I've edited lots of stuff, mainly non-political articles, for typos and grammatical stuff.

292 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:04:23pm

re: #225 dsrtegl

Yes, I believe the race card can be officially retired from the deck. No need for the NAACP anymore, either. You can't get any more "advanced" than the presidency.

Silver linings.

No way. Too much money in it.

293 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:04:23pm

re: #243 catttt

Maybe the Great One should head up to Maine to calm the waters:

Freak Waves Swamp Maine's Boothbay Harbor, Baffling Experts

Perhaps it was a veiled threat from Iceland? Seeing that they're bankrupt and all?

/// who knows ...

294 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:04:33pm

Oh boy- here it comes already:

President Obama's First Step: Reset Expectations

President Obama began this process last night, in his victory speech, when he noted that restoring the country's health might take more than a term. In the next few weeks, he should go well beyond this:

The deficit will be more than $1 trillion a year for several years
The country needs a massive new fiscal stimulus
The housing market will continue to decline through at least 2010
Interest rates and taxes will eventually have to rise (after the economy stabilizes)
Weak corporations have to be allowed to fail
Millions of homeowners will lose their house
Unemployment will probably rise to 10%
The government simply cannot "bail the country out" -- not because it lacks the will, but because it lacks the power

Change you can believe in!

295 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:01pm

re: #241 Creeping Eruption

Too bad. I hope that he is open to using qualified Republicans. I can hope can't I?

Imagine a War Cabinet with UN Secretary Kerry, SecState Albright, Emanuel, Biden, Obama and the unknown top-tier Republican....let's say Gates. Gates would not only have to listen to all of Biden's half-baked ideas, but when he would say something of substance it would be rejected because of domestic political concerns.

No top tier republican would take it. If they get a republican, it will be from the second or third string - maybe Hagel.

296 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:10pm

re: #270 Griffon

Does anyone know what the Cabbage Patch dolls sold for on eBay? I can't seem to find them.

From Fox:

And while Sarah Palin may not have won the vice presidential spot, she was popular as a doll. Out of the four one-of-kind Cabbage Patch Dolls crafted to look like the presidential and vice presidential candidates, her doll nabbed a $19,000 bid when the online auction closed Tuesday. The lil' Obama, McCain and Biden impersonators only earned offers of $8,400, $6,000 and $3,500, respectively.

297 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:25pm

#266 Fist,
If he came out with this (see posts #259 and con't. #263), would he be considered a better "communicator" ?
Of course it doesn't cover the ACORN/Mae/Mac/Dodd/
Frank business, but it would have done for starters !

298 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:43pm

re: #248 x-wing

He did say that when he's elcteced these things would start happening, not when he's sworn in.

//just saying

So - he lied.
He's a politician. Thats how they work.

////

299 VioletTiger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:44pm

So the world doesn't love us and the stock market tanked. Shocked. I thoughts the daisies were supposed to bloom today.

300 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:05:50pm

re: #278 Silhouette

So it was true, then dismissed, then found to have been true all along.

Lets hope Bush's people take the high road. The country has too much on its collective plate for Obama's new team to have to deal with petty games like that.

301 Dahveed[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:12pm
302 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:19pm

Well, I was having difficulties processing the horrible inevitability last night, and I put off getting up this morning as long as I could just because I did not want to see the headlines on the papers. Filled with dread, I walked down the stairs and my landlord (a republican with a wickedly cruel sense of humor) had taped the foldout cover of the daily snooze with the dubious victors smiling mug up on his door. I had to laugh. I'm feeling a little battered today, but I ain't fuckin' broken. Now I'm just looking forward to all the opportunities to say 'I told you so!'.

303 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:27pm

re: #190 catttt

What, did the delete the "vicious graceless partisan: narrow, hectic, unremittingly aggressive, vulgar, and impatient" part?

/good pick, can Secretary of State Kerry be far behind?

304 dsrtegl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:28pm

re: #280 cagney

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

I feel any hyphenation of -American is extremely offensive. Either you are an American or you are not. It runs counter to our "melting pot" philosophy. The problem is that many ethnic groups' melting points have increased recently and they're refusing to alloy with the rest of us.

305 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:31pm

re: #247 victor_yugo

On the flip side, we can pretty much guarantee four more years of South Park.


....and the return of the 'change' zombies.

306 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:47pm

re: #277 Lorenska

Exactly - it was bad enough being gagged during the election, for fear of being branded a hater or a racist, but when he'll be able to get his way all the time as President, because no one will dissent for fear of being labeled a bigot - rather than just disagreeing with his policies - it'll be even worse for this country.

Yup. And now Obama's egregious acts before his presidency will be even more off-limits for criticism. The media will be even more subservient to him than they are now. I'd say, unless Obama voluntarily retires or dies in office, his chance for reelection will be 100%. If I were the RNC, I would plan on not even running a candidate against him in 2012. Just a waste of money.

307 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:50pm

re: #258 yma o hyd

Thats one advantage of the internet - he cannot prevent stuff from outside the USA flooding in. Like that cartoon linked above from The Times London. Once its out it'll be spread.
He better get used to it - comes with the office!

I hope you're right - as POTUS, he has got to get a thicker skin - and his supporters - and realize that presidents get criticized. Period. As they should. Bush has literally been condemned for consuming oxygen for the past 8 years, so he needs to stop with the making everything personal, and I truly hope he will learn to act presidential and suck it up.

308 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:06:50pm

re: #274 A Kiwi Infidel

Infidel whore of the day.

309 NeedleStack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:07:26pm

Wait, we're taking political advice from Islamic Extremists now? I often heard that they would love Obama and therefore we should vote McCain? Now we're on the same side as them? That seems questionable.

Basically I don't believe you can learn much from those jerks one way or the other. I will take the recommendations of the more functional portions of the globe at a higher weight, second only to America itself.

310 Max Darkside  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:07:39pm

re: #299 VioletTiger

So the world doesn't love us and the stock market tanked. Shocked. I thoughts the daisies were supposed to bloom today.

Watch the MSM call this "Market Collapse a Parting Commentary on the Failed Economic Policies of the Bush Administration"

311 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:07:44pm
312 Bobibutu  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:07:49pm

re: #276 vagabond trader

Jeez, how do we get product safety agreements from China? Ok China on hold, for now, just throw a dart, bound to hit a hot spot that our new POTUS is ill prepared to handle.

Fear not! Sen. Biden has decades of experience in these matters.

/

313 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:08:11pm

re: #168 Dahveed

OT

What the hell is going on in Minnesota? Al Franken? There are people that think that Al Franken would be an appropriate member of the Senate?

In a just world he would be cleaning toilets. With his face.

314 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:08:12pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Yeah, sure. that supposed "love" for America will, I suspect, last about as long as -- remember how that French newspaper on 9/12 2001 exclaimed "We're All Americans Now!" which lasted how long? a week or so? Ditto for all that "love" for Obama...as I laugh...just wait, the French will be back to despising the U.S. a week or so after Obama's inauguration. Have no fear. (The BBC earlier last week already did a little thing about how Obama's proposed economic policies could plunge the world into a long, deep recession, if not depression. Already, the economic woes of the world are all "America's Fault!"). An Obama occupying the White House will change absolutely nothing with respect to the Foreign Press.

315 cagney  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:08:12pm

#288

I'm totally mystified by the whole thing myself but the press over here can't seem to make up their minds whether O is Black or African-American.

Going back to the election, I've been sick and tired about how bad the bias over here in the UK has been towards O. I just hope the balloons don't go up when the Change hype bubble bursts and O can't deliver.

316 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:08:44pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

re: #282 Kenneth

What are your thoughts on Rahm Emmanuel?

317 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:08:54pm

re: #295 DeafDog

Imagine a War Cabinet with UN Secretary Kerry, SecState Albright, Emanuel, Biden, Obama and the unknown top-tier Republican....let's say Gates. Gates would not only have to listen to all of Biden's half-baked ideas, but when he would say something of substance it would be rejected because of domestic political concerns.

No top tier republican would take it. If they get a republican, it will be from the second or third string - maybe Hagel.

REPUBLICANS - plural. I can hope, can't I?

318 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:09:04pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

And another indication of things to come: Obama asks Emmanuel to be White House Chief of Staff.

Emmanuel is a very efficient guy. But he is also a take-no-prisoners kind of guy. This gives the lie to Obama's claims of interest in bipartisanship, imo.

319 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:09:50pm

re: #275 Suzette

Too many failed to see no matter who is our president ......they would still hate us. Par for the course.
/all the people who voted for him will know .....it is not all rainbows and butterflies.

The race car cartoon is a take-off on Lewis Hamilton winning the Formula 1 championship this past weekend, driving for McLaren; the first black driver ever to do so, and the youngest, too.

Way to go, Lewis! You deserve it!

320 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:10:27pm
321 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:10:28pm

re: #303 Killian Bundy

/good pick, can Secretary of State Kerry be far behind?

He's already been approached, from what I've heard.

322 the REAL  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:10:54pm

My buddy is an Obama supporter here in New Jersey. He was out with his dad drinking and they went into the city to check out the celebration. He said Times Square was nothing but a few white people and thousands of white people everywhere. He said he was not happy with the way they were acting at all, and the racial undertones lying within. He said to his dad that they were acting like if black people are not owning white slaves within the next 4 years they'll be after his head.

323 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:11:03pm

re: #297 leftover54

Heh™! That'd show 'em!

324 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:09pm

re: #280 cagney

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

African-American is more politically correct, formal and polite.

Black is less so, in all three categoreis, but quicker of the tounggue and still acceptable. It comes down to this - If you are referring to his - or anyone's race, do you want to use 7 syllables or 1. When the situation calls for politeness, use 7. If less formal, 1 is fine.

325 beens21  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:10pm

my fear is that he has marxist economists as advisors and their social engineering with the tax code will hammer the economy.Also, when Gore is put in charge of the Climate Change Dept.,the laws that will be passed will also hurt every industry.plus, I have seen zero discussion by any politician about prohibiting zero money down loans to people with bad credit that caused the present credit meltdown.These morons do a hasty bailout and think,OK, that has been fixed.

326 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:21pm
327 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:23pm

So what of the fence on the southern border? On hold till '13?

328 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:26pm

Good, Hannity says Leiberman will be stripped of his committees by Hairless Reid. Bout time Joe made a clean break.

329 quickredfox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:49pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Any word on how much the ocean levels receded today?

Well the tide went out.

330 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:12:53pm

re: #315 cagney

When do you suppose a Pakistani will be elected PM in the UK? How about an Arab as President of France? Or a Turk the Chancellor of Germany?

Until that day the Europeans can go f*ck themselves with their hypocritical condescension toward alleged American racism.

331 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:14:34pm

re: #306 Last Mohican

Yup. And now Obama's egregious acts before his presidency will be even more off-limits for criticism. The media will be even more subservient to him than they are now. I'd say, unless Obama voluntarily retires or dies in office, his chance for reelection will be 100%. If I were the RNC, I would plan on not even running a candidate against him in 2012. Just a waste of money.

I had that same exact thought....but it still hurts to see it here, on a site where I know everyone is smart and usually right, to hear it said 'out loud' - I could just cry for what he's going to do to this country. That quote of his that came out recently, (paraphrased) - "the constitution talks about what the fed CAN'T do and what the states CAN'T do, but it doesn't talk enough about what the government SHOULD and MUST do for our people." Um, yeah. It was written that way on purpose, kinda, ya know? But of course, his vision is for the government to take care of everyone - cause they do such a good job with what they control now.

And no dissent or critique will be allowed, debaters will be called haters, and it's now a dictatorship. They're talking about Palin in 2012, which I'd love, but I think you're right - no chance of no re-election if he chooses to run.

332 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:15:26pm

re: #279 eon

I decided to refer to him as "Barry". Its the only way I can deal with it...

333 Tardis  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:15:51pm

re: #291 Ward Cleaver

Unless it's locked, you can click on "Edit" in any section, and edit it. I've edited lots of stuff, mainly non-political articles, for typos and grammatical stuff.


I changed it twice. Now the option seems to be gone. Maybe it is locked.

334 runrabbitrun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:16:06pm

re: #282 Kenneth

I would have to say FDR had a rougher time in '41, (but that wasn't his first term.)

Bush is condemned almost entirely because of Iraq, because everybody knows the war was based on lies and was a total failure. Except it wasn't and it's not. L

I supported the opening of the Iraq front and I agree - you don't win a WOT by chasing after jihadists in courts and by killing only leader-figureheads. You win by securing central nations and humiliating enemies and reducing their armies on the battlefield and in recruiting. Then you destroy their command and control centers, their funding trails, their intelligence and communications capabilities, and their abilities to stealthily move men, materials and money. Bush achieved all that and more.

However, the reason that the left fought an exhausting (to the Bush administration) sustained offense against the Bush doctrine and Iraq war is also because of their hatred of militarism in general, and their faith that once we lay down arms, the enemy will also surrender theirs (not for a moment appreciating that when we lay down arms and cry 'peace!' the enemy will just go on fighting). I know the left can acquiesce when a conflict does not involve a boon to the US in economic or power returns, but I'm guessing that the new far-left diplomacy of the Obama era will involve a push to draw down the military as Clinton did, and the desire to obliterate it.

335 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:16:07pm

re: #316 WrathofG-d

A president needs a very effective chief of staff. The Zero is going to need a lot of help in that department, having never run anything bigger than a small charity board before. Emmanuel is tough & ruthless and get's things done. But he rubs everybody the wrong way.

336 vagabond trader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:16:52pm

re: #326 buzzsawmonkey

Ya think? Every Jew he associates with is suspect in my Hebraic eyes. I mean 20 years in a bigoted Israel hating church is so yesterday.

/sarc

337 Marlin925  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:20pm

#65 eon:
"When jihadists speak of "the near enemy" they mean Israel. When they refer to "the far enemy" they mean anyone and anything marked "U.S.A." and they consider politics, religion and/or ethnicity irrelevant. To them, we are "The Great Satan", regardless of who's in charge."

Can we get an AMEN to that Lizards! Despite a suicidal level of multiKulti and enforced politikal korrectness in Eurabia, the Islamists regard Eurabia as the Medium Satan. Spain surrendered in Iraq and despite that, the jihadiots are hell bent on "reclaiming Al-Andalus."

Dopey-Hopey-Changey is going to implode after the CIA and DOD debrief him. If he had to talk to any of us with BTDT combat credentials about what Hadji is realy like, his eyes would melt.

338 VioletTiger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:23pm

re: #310 Max Darkside

And the Russians playing with missiles are also Bush's fault I suppose and not a nose thumb at the president elect.

339 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:26pm

Hannitys wasting no time...

340 cagney  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:27pm

#330

Hey mate, I'm as sick of the hyprocrisy as yourself. I had to recently correct a work colleague about the prog he saw on BBC about Black's only working in MacDonalds and public construction projects digging up road was due to Affirmitive action programmes rather than institutional racism. There is a lot of misinformation getting shown here.

341 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:36pm

re: #280 cagney

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

Not entirely taboo yet. I still use Black. It wasn't offensive 10 years ago, so I don't think they ought to be able to just change the rules and make everyone else change. And so continue to use it in protest of someone else having the power to tell me what I mean by words, and that my meaning must have changed just because THEY decided the word was no longer any good.

Heck, the CP in NAACP stands for "colored persons." Colored persons is a huge slur today. Ironic that "persons of color" is one of the new PC terms.

342 yma o hyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #330 Kenneth

When do you suppose a Pakistani will be elected PM in the UK? How about an Arab as President of France? Or a Turk the Chancellor of Germany?

Until that day the Europeans can go f*ck themselves with their hypocritical condescension toward alleged American racism.

Dunno about France and Germany - but the percentage of non-whites are certainly much smaller in the UK than in the USA.
And we do have Pakistani and Indian and Black (i.e. West Indian) Members of Parliament and of the House of Lords - yep, they've become ennobled, something which doesn't happen to that many white Britons either.
So while I accept that you're in pain today - do please refrain from hurling this accusation about condescension at the UK.

343 Marlin925  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:20:56pm

#334 runrabbitrun:
"However, the reason that the left fought an exhausting (to the Bush administration) sustained offense against the Bush doctrine and Iraq war is also because of their hatred of militarism in general, and their faith that once we lay down arms, the enemy will also surrender theirs."

Note to moonbats, Spain surrendered, went all out socialist, they still face jihadiots.

344 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:20:56pm

re: #334 runrabbitrun

Absolutely. But the hard left criticism of Bush would never have taken hold of the mainstream if Bush had not screwed up after the initial invasion. For that I blame Rumsfeld & Powell who were too busy infighting their Washington turf war rather than taking care of the problem. But it was Bush who let it go on far too long.

Now that Petraeus has turned Iraq around and is getting ready to deal with Af'stan & Pakistan, we may actually win the GWOT. Unless Barry f*cks it up, that is.

345 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:21:05pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

He's promising rising unemployment, interest rates, and debt?

All he needs in double-digit inflation to hit the Jimmy Carter trifecta.

346 Brees  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:21:13pm

Wow. First time I've heard someone from over there blame a Democrat, OVER a Republican!

Obama will do nothing new. Appeasement. Sanctions. Appeasement. Ask the U.N. for what to do. Blame the last 8 years for the next (upcoming) attack on the USA here & abroad.

347 NeedleStack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:24:41pm

Hold on, the enormity of this post is just hitting me:

Are we really saying here that we agree with the political opinion of two Islamic Extremists over the opinion of 52% of the American people? It seems like that is the point of this post. I'm not saying a broken clock might not be right twice a day, but are these really the people you want to throw your hat in with?

If I'm understanding this correctly, that is seriously disappointing, people. Seriously.

348 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:25:39pm

re: #342 yma o hyd

That wasn't directed at you, personally. But I have been to England, France & Germany. I have heard Europeans casually use racial slurs that nobody would utter in polite society in the US or Canada. Most especially, no matter how much they enjoyed Obama's idiotic speech in Berlin, I have no patience for lectures on racial tolerance coming from Germans.

349 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:27:36pm

re: #347 NeedleStack

No. We are saying that the naive delusion of the Democrats that if the US acts nice, the world will love America is utter nonsense, and the rest of the world knows it.

350 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:29:44pm

re: #347 NeedleStack

Are we really saying here that we agree with the political opinion of two Islamic Extremists over the opinion of 52% of the American people? It seems like that is the point of this post. I'm not saying a broken clock might not be right twice a day, but are these really the people you want to throw your hat in with?

I doubt anybody is throwing their hat in with these thugs. The point of the post is--surprise--they still hate us.

351 Griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:32:28pm

re: #296 Lorenska

From Fox:

And while Sarah Palin may not have won the vice presidential spot, she was popular as a doll. Out of the four one-of-kind Cabbage Patch Dolls crafted to look like the presidential and vice presidential candidates, her doll nabbed a $19,000 bid when the online auction closed Tuesday. The lil' Obama, McCain and Biden impersonators only earned offers of $8,400, $6,000 and $3,500, respectively.

Thanks!

352 Brees  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:33:11pm

349 & 350

Right. They still hate us. Maybe just a little less more, if Obama throws Israel under the bus

353 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:33:50pm

re: #302 eastvillageinfidel

Well, I was having difficulties processing the horrible inevitability last night, and I put off getting up this morning as long as I could just because I did not want to see the headlines on the papers. Filled with dread, I walked down the stairs and my landlord (a republican with a wickedly cruel sense of humor) had taped the foldout cover of the daily snooze with the dubious victors smiling mug up on his door. I had to laugh. I'm feeling a little battered today, but I ain't fuckin' broken. Now I'm just looking forward to all the opportunities to say 'I told you so!'.

you'll feel better as the day goes on. i woke up so discouraged this morning too.
but i got busy doing cheerful activities. gave the dog a bath. cleaned up the orchard a bit, made some soup. i feel oddly relieved at this moment.
of course it is just a lull in the storm. but now the spot light is on the libs.
the world will be watching. because of the outlandish promises of the O.
it will get ugly when he implodes and everyone sees what a dope he is.
we will need to be vigilant and do what we can to save our nation from his misguided/devious plans. we can do it.
you're right, we "ain't fckin' broken".

354 Outrider  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:34:40pm
“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.


heh. Nigh on my sentiment.

355 leftover54  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:36:58pm

re: #338 VioletTiger

Don't forget his promise to not weaponize space. I just get a Chrissy tingle up my leg every time he tips "our" hand.
I can just see the expressions on the faces of every bad guy with deep pockets - "Did you hear him ? Get going on the R&D"

356 Steve Rogers  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:38:39pm

re: #280 cagney

Liberals in the U.S. are hypersensitive when it comes to skin color. Because of this, every few decades they change their politically correct term for human beings with large amounts of melanin in their skin.

Many decades ago liberals in the U.S. said the term "Negro" was perfectly acceptable. Then, due to their hypersensitivity on the subject, they changed it to "colored" (as if white is not a color!) and assured everyone that such a term was OK. Then somewhere along the line liberals changed their minds again and said the term "Afro-American" was the one and only correct term. That changed in recent times to "African American" in reference to people being brought to the U.S. from the African continent during the horrible time of slavery in the U.S. over 140 years ago. Modern liberals feel guilty about this ugly episode of U.S. history despite the fact that no one alive today was around back then. But a liberal's mind is wracked with guilt over nearly every aspect of their lives.

Generally speaking, liberals don’t like the term "black" when describing a human being because it doesn't come with the built-in guilt factor that the term "African American" comes with. So generally speaking, if a person uses the term "black" they are probably not liberal - at least not a far-left one. U.S. liberals love the term "African-American" because they love "race" politics. A modern U.S. liberal would cease to exist without such "race" politics. They see EVERYTHING in terms of what they falsely believe to be "race."

What liberals don't understand is that skin is just an organ. One person with different color skin than another person does not make them from a different race anymore than a blue-eyed person would be a different race from a green-eyed person. There is only one race: The human race. McCain and Obama are the exact same race. Any insistence by liberals that there are different races is bigotry on their part.

What liberals also don’t understand is that ALL human beings can trace their lineage back to Africa eventually (sadly some conservatives deny this, but not for bigoted reasons - for religious ones). So even the term "African American" is silly and is used by liberals only to assuage their guilt, attempt to makes others feel guilty and further divide all Americans so that liberal politicians can use that divisiveness to garner more power for themselves all while talking down to blacks telling them that they can't make it on their own without the help of liberals and liberal programs.

357 runrabbitrun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:39:59pm

re: #349 Kenneth

No. We are saying that the naive delusion of the Democrats that if the US acts nice, the world will love America is utter nonsense, and the rest of the world knows it.

Kenneth, what is your pov on the Dem pragmatist (NOT far leftist) opinion that if we simply do not rock the geopolitical boat by initiating major global conflicts that may not be winnable, the enemy will be contained by second-tier powers looking out for their own interests, and the world will at least stay in acceptable equilibrium (as the ME's jihadists kept busy fighting amongst themselves, with lower total casualty numbers than all-out war)?

358 Basho  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:41:40pm

Holy #@$^! What that Islamist said actually made sense to me. Kinda. That's a first...

359 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:47:47pm

re: #357 runrabbitrun

I think that argument was answered very eloquently on the clear cool morning of September 11, 2001.

Do you want to try it again with a nuclear armed Iran? How about with a Pakistan run by Al Qaeda?

Obama will be faced with both of those issues.

360 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:50:35pm

re: #335 Kenneth

good for Israel, bad for Israel? Domestic policies?

361 Marlin925  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:52:11pm

#322 theReal

I guess your friend never heard "God Damn America" Rev. Wright, never picked up a copy of the NOI "Final Call", or accidentaly overheard a bunch of African Americans saying what they truly feel about Whites.

Buncha Multi-Kultis are about to get a rude awakening.

362 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:53:38pm

re: #353 nyc redneck

you'll feel better as the day goes on. i woke up so discouraged this morning too.
but i got busy doing cheerful activities. gave the dog a bath. cleaned up the orchard a bit, made some soup. i feel oddly relieved at this moment.
of course it is just a lull in the storm. but now the spot light is on the libs.
the world will be watching. because of the outlandish promises of the O.
it will get ugly when he implodes and everyone sees what a dope he is.
we will need to be vigilant and do what we can to save our nation from his misguided/devious plans. we can do it.
you're right, we "ain't fckin' broken".

I doubt very seriously that the O will be running anything. IMHO I think he's a sock puppet to a more insidious group of people.

363 Marlin925  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 1:59:01pm

#348 Kenneth
I second your sentiments. When I was in Bosnia, SFOR had a European magazine that had a black cartoon character named Philemon who was straight out of Jim Crow. Most Euroweenies are quick to lecture us based on pre-concieved notions about our society.

364 Marlin925  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:14:30pm

#322 the Real:

A few quotes from the post racial 0bamessiah that your friend could have found, had he read his book-

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe -- and White!"

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

I don't think this bodes well for the country that the 44th CIC has these issues.

365 Fred72  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:19:55pm

re: #46 vapig

True. What they do to America and Americans is akin to slowly boiling a frog to death in a pan of water. They slowly chip away at our rights and freedoms and we don't notice the water has gone critical.

I always saw the Democrats as advocating too many rights and freedoms. Freedom to have an abortion, rights for gays to marry, freedom to buy marijuana for "medicinal purposes", etc. In other words, freedoms I don't need.

The sad thing is that when I think of all the rights and freedoms I've lost over the past few decades, the ones which I've cared about the most are the ones I've lost after 9/11. While I can understand that the Patriot Act was for our own good, and it sure wasn't the Democrats who were pushing for it. On the other hand, I can't think of any rights or freedoms that Bill Clinton took away from me. Maybe my memory is hazy.

366 runrabbitrun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:30:22pm

re: #359 Kenneth

I think that argument was answered very eloquently on the clear cool morning of September 11, 2001.

Do you want to try it again with a nuclear armed Iran? How about with a Pakistan run by Al Qaeda?

Obama will be faced with both of those issues.

Agree, and thanks for your input.... Was so tired of this go-round in the endless debate:

pragmatist Dem: ahhh, that attack was an anomaly! An attempt to incite a reactive war - so that the Arab street would rise united against the US, and we fell for it (though their plan failed miserably)

////sarc sarc *wink*wink*

::rabbit shoves pragmatist Dem off the rhetorical cliff::

367 right Brain  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:38:27pm

“There is no significant difference between Obama and McCain. They disagree only on the means to achieve America’s chief goal, which is to rule for another hundred years.”

Hey, I feel better already.

RB voted present.

368 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:43:22pm

please help me lizards before i strangle the person sittingnext to me, my coworker is a canadian, but she has been in the US since age 3, not a US citizen though, for weeks she has told me that i am close minded and has been complained if anyone talked about the one, now all day long she has been making little comments and innuendos and pointing out "did you see this or you see that" and la lalal,, just a few minutes ago she annouced to whomever might hear her that now we are a united country because of obama, another girl who is playing both sides says, oh i don't know about that, you think if it had been mccain we would be united, to which miss canada says yes of course, now she is fixing to send me some email, no doubt proving to me how i can be united too, i just want to tell her to shut up, i have not said one single thing about it since i got here today nothing, and i worked the campaing and tried my best, she knows it too, she is not a citizen, she complains about not being able to get welfare and then goes to the hospital and gets massive bills then does not pay them and of course could not vote for her fricking messiah and now she has the nerve to tell me that WE are a United country now, please lizards hold me back,, i am getting ready to lose it,gooood she just just now is complaingn about the two doctor bills she just got from the last emergency room which enede up being a 4 day stay F**K F**K F**K

369 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:49:12pm

re: #368 bcgirl

please help me lizards before i strangle the person sittingnext to me, my coworker is a canadian, but she has been in the US since age 3, not a US citizen though, for weeks she has told me that i am close minded and has been complained if anyone talked about the one, now all day long she has been making little comments and innuendos and pointing out "did you see this or you see that" and la lalal,, just a few minutes ago she annouced to whomever might hear her that now we are a united country because of obama, another girl who is playing both sides says, oh i don't know about that, you think if it had been mccain we would be united, to which miss canada says yes of course, now she is fixing to send me some email, no doubt proving to me how i can be united too, i just want to tell her to shut up, i have not said one single thing about it since i got here today nothing, and i worked the campaing and tried my best, she knows it too, she is not a citizen, she complains about not being able to get welfare and then goes to the hospital and gets massive bills then does not pay them and of course could not vote for her fricking messiah and now she has the nerve to tell me that WE are a United country now, please lizards hold me back,, i am getting ready to lose it,gooood she just just now is complaingn about the two doctor bills she just got from the last emergency room which enede up being a 4 day stay F**K F**K F**K

How do you hold your tongue? Not just about the election, but about her nerve to use the resources of the US and not reciprocate? When she complained about not being able to vote, did you say, "Well, you get all the rest of the benefits of being a US citizen without being one (or paying for it), so this is one privilege you'll just have to skip."? Do you ever point out that she's not a citizen and therefore should SHUT UP? Do you ever say, "If the US is so awful (or was), Canada is due north? And they'd be glad to take you since you're THEIR citizen."?

I know it's easy for me to sit here and spew whatever I want, but it seems she's giving you a lot of easy openings. Personally, I'd be either ignoring her (which I know is hard), or pointing out that he's already backing out on promises he's made, so I wouldn't get so excited just yet; and that when countries like Russia and groups like Hamas are celebrating over his win, she might want to think about the company she keeps. Try to stay strong, we don't want any lizards arrested for murder.

370 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:51:21pm

if only i could say something to her now,but then i might get fired,however, whe she gets laid off because of the small business tax on our boss, i will say to her, don;t worry dyann, obama will take care of you.

re: #369 Lorenska

How do you hold your tongue? Not just about the election, but about her nerve to use the resources of the US and not reciprocate? When she complained about not being able to vote, did you say, "Well, you get all the rest of the benefits of being a US citizen without being one (or paying for it), so this is one privilege you'll just have to skip."? Do you ever point out that she's not a citizen and therefore should SHUT UP? Do you ever say, "If the US is so awful (or was), Canada is due north? And they'd be glad to take you since you're THEIR citizen."?

I know it's easy for me to sit here and spew whatever I want, but it seems she's giving you a lot of easy openings. Personally, I'd be either ignoring her (which I know is hard), or pointing out that he's already backing out on promises he's made, so I wouldn't get so excited just yet; and that when countries like Russia and groups like Hamas are celebrating over his win, she might want to think about the company she keeps. Try to stay strong, we don't want any lizards arrested for murder.

371 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:58:34pm

There you go - if you're employed by a small biz, maybe you could explain to her that his taxes are about to go up, thanks to O, and that that means layoffs can't be far off. You're right that she'll think O will take care of her, but since she's not a citizen, that's iffy.....she's got to see he's BAD for small businesses. But then, I thought everyone had to see that and they didn't, so what do I know. How come she gets to go around spewing her nonsense, but you're worried about getting fired if you respond? Is your boss a dem too?

372 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:04:44pm

re: #280 cagney

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

No, I think you captured it quite well.

373 cagney  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:59:42pm

re: #372 Sol Roth

I had posted that

374 cagney  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:03:07pm

re: #372 Sol Roth

I had posted that as a question but when thinking about it, it is a bit bizarre isn't it?

re: #363 Marlin925

I've found that a folk I know who suddenly start getting PC start coming out with the un-PC remarks after they get a few drinks in them. I think it is a classic case of snobbery.

375 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:04:44pm

Clinton extended copyright to ridiculous lengths, and I'd argue they took away my freedom (as someone who would like to read old books for free, or google for their contents).

Clinton also increased my family's taxes; which made us less free to do what we'd have liked to have done otherwise. Under Bush, I didn't lose any freedoms I was actually using and my taxes went down.

376 Daisy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:20:48pm

"The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body."

That nut has got a point.

377 Daisy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:24:46pm

re: #280 cagney

Bit of a question that is getting me coming from UK. Why is O sometimes referred to as African American and at other times Black? I thought it was taboo to refer to African American's as Black or am I missing something?

Here's something that will hold you in good stead re: what to call Obama:
No matter what you believe, say or do, you're a racist. That, plus you're selfish. Hope that helps.

378 Daisy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:30:44pm

re: #368 bcgirl

You know, bc girl, I've noticed for some time now that when the Left talks about the terrible 'divisiveness' in the USA, they are generally referring to the fact that people exist who think differently than they think. "Unity' to them means 'one mind, one thought" Do you think it might be helpful to point this out to her? Alternatively, maybe you can let her know that you don't permit people who don't vote to talk about politics within your earshot!

379 lawrior  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:05pm

The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it.

I would like to recommend that as the new Republican campaign slogan.

380 Gretchen  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:08pm

The Democrats kill you slowly....

...the economy

....the school system

...the courts

....the media

yep, they are right for once.


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