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An open thread for a post-election Wednesday…

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1 Haole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:53:16pm

Tuff day

2 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:53:53pm

Remember, post-election Wednesday is still Hump Day!

Thank goodness. Been a rough week. I just emailed Coleman's campaign and told them I could volunteer as a recount judge if they needed bodies.

3 Blastforth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:54:30pm

This wil cheer you up.

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

4 Jason X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:55:29pm

At least the Cowboys are having a good season...oh wait. Never mind.

5 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:55:45pm

Where's my gas !?!

6 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:56:36pm

re: #4 Jason X

At least the Cowboys are having a good season...oh wait. Never mind.

How 'bout dem Phillies?

Wow. That was just last Wednesday. I've been up and down really high and low in the space of a week.

7 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:57:25pm

re: #5 BignJames

Where's my gas !?!

Well, it's $1.99 here, I guess they think you should be able to afford that without The One's help.

/

8 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:57:35pm

I just can't wait til after January 20th...when I get my unlimited supply of free gas and my free house...

/

9 loppyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:58:02pm

Surprise, surprise.

Patrick would consider changing rules to replace senator

The possibility Sen. John Kerry might take an appointment in the Obama administration has touched off discussion about who would run to replace him, but Gov. Deval Patrick interrupted it today by saying he would consider a change in state law to appoint a successor rather than fill the seat through a special election.

Massachusetts governors used to appoint a replacement senator, but legislative Democrats changed the law in 2004 after they feared then-Gov. Mitt Romney would name a fellow Republican if Kerry had succeeded in his bid for the presidency. They said a public election was a more democratic process.

And now it's not?

10 puckish and beguiling  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:59:06pm

Tough day here too. Gas is $2.03, but like Sand People said, that's only til Jan. 20--then everything is free!
/

11 grandma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:59:17pm

There are times in this world when those who believe in all the wrong things need to see their foolish dreams realized, despite how others with better common sense try to convince them otherwise. When all the foolish fully recognize the consequences of their acts, then maybe the “change” that is necessary can begin to happen. As a very wise friend said to me many years ago, “when you do wrong, you do not do wrong alone”. So for the folly of many, many more get to pay.

But, we’re not dead yet, and neither are those thinking Americans who live now and will come after us. So while all of the Obama disciples are breaking their arms patting themselves and each other on the backs, fasten your seatbelts, secure your wallets, and do not give up the real hope that the pendulum will swing back, as it always does.

I respect the office of the President of the USA. If the corps of believers who made certain that a foolish individual occupies that office, we all get to pay. I’d prefer that neither you, nor I, nor even that corps of foolish believers have to do that. That will not prevent me from loving this country or disrespecting the office of the President.

However, the “change” that sometimes happens can usually be a result of wrong decisions, bad choices, and painful consequences realized. I’d rather that the sort of change we need didn’t have to come that way. So, contrary to that which Sesame Street taught my children back in the early seventies, learning is not always fun. But there is a great population in this nation. Those who can learn from the errors in judgement, the mistakes, and the resulting consequences will still carry us all along.

Thanks for listening to Grandma’s lengthy take at profundity, and have a nice day (on this lovely Carolina evening where the fall colors are in bright array).

12 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 2:59:21pm

Market down 486.
My office lost a multi-million $ job as a direct result of the Fannie-Freddie meltdown.
It's Wednesday. I'm open to new possibilities.

Jai guru dev...ohm...

13 loppyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:00:04pm

It’s a moonbat nation - but I’m no citizen

Last night for Republicans was like 1994 or 1980 for Democrats. They were standing on the shore when a tidal wave hit. The only Republican congressional candidate I saw who ousted a Democrat incumbent was down in Florida. That guy - one of the Rooneys of Pittsburgh Steelers fame - was lucky enough to be running against a one-term incumbent who’d just been outed for paying off a female campaign worker $121,000 for sexual harassment.

The Republicans couldn’t even take out John Murtha in Pennsylvania after he called his own constituents racists and rednecks.

14 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:00:04pm

re: #9 loppyd

Surprise, surprise.

Patrick would consider changing rules to replace senator

And now it's not?

Wow. What's good for you and what's good for them...are completely different things. I have a bad feeling we are going to see a lot more of this 'idea' in action.

15 arethusa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:00:52pm

re: #9 loppyd

Surprise, surprise.

Patrick would consider changing rules to replace senator

And now it's not?

Maybe Patrick will appoint himself...

16 Seattle Rep  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:00:57pm

#8
I report for Jury Duty 1/21/09. I'll not be reading Gwen Ifills' book.
I'll just turn on MSNBC...

17 loppyd  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:01:09pm

re: #14 Oh no...Sand People!

Wow. What's good for you and what's good for them...are completely different things. I have a bad feeling we are going to see a lot more of this 'idea' in action.

I called this earlier today while having lunch with co-workers.

18 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:01:26pm

re: #2 arethusa

Remember, post-election Wednesday is still Hump Day!

More than any other Wednesday of the year.

19 onslow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:02:13pm

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Steven Den Beste:

Not the end of the world

20 obageegee  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:02:27pm

I still can't get over the Peggy Joseph video:

There really are two Americas

21 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:03:06pm

re: #9 loppyd

Surprise, surprise.

Patrick would consider changing rules to replace senator

And now it's not?

It's whatever works best for Democrats only.

22 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:03:46pm

re: #19 onslow

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Steven Den Beste:

Not the end of the world

Just the end of the world as we know it.

23 Haole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:04:29pm

Ayers a whisper away from every world secret and military op.

24 puckish and beguiling  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:04:33pm

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but at Michelle Malkin's site she has a hilarious preview of Maya Angelou's inauguration poem.

25 calbear84  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:04:59pm

As an American, at least I can be proud of a peaceful turnover of power. President Bush and Senator McCain were gracious in their congratulations.
As bad as this defeat is, at least there are no tanks in the streets.

26 Happy Fun Ball  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:05:24pm

1 Samuel 8:4-19

4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.

11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

27 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:05:29pm

A happy note?

Well, our Christmas show begins tomorrow evening. Yea, I know, a bit early, I agree. But in the theatre business, the Xmas show is know as the "fund raiser." You could put a Xmas tree on stage and play two hours of pre-recorded Christmas music, and they would come.

We are doing a small musical, "An O. Henry Christmas." Two O. Henry stories, almost an operetta. "The Last Leaf" and of course "The Gift of the Magi."

I had never read (or heard of) "The Last Leaf." Not really a Christmas story, although it does take place in the winter. Gee, it's a real downer (IMHO).

It's about a female painter, living in the village in New York, who gets sick and she believes she will die when the last leaf on a vine (outside her window) drops from the vine.

A drunk German painter in the same building, who has lost his muse, secretly "paints" a single leaf on the vine during a terrible storm one night.

He dies, she sees the last leaf has survived and she lives. What a fucking downer.

28 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:05:45pm

re: #8 Oh no...Sand People!

I just can't wait til after January 20th...when I get my unlimited supply of free gas and my free house...

/

...and I want a new car. Can the O make me young again?

29 BigJohn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:06:17pm

re: #11 grandma

Thank you grandma. I will think of your words while I am trying to get over my fury at 64 million of my countrymen. My first instinct is to tell them that I will laugh in their face when their decision blows up in theirs. But, that is probably not productive.

30 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:07:28pm

re: #20 obageegee

I still can't get over the Peggy Joseph video:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

There really are two Americas

I think McCain could have used that to show what a snake oil salesman obama is and how he's made ridiculous promises...to show that real people really believe he's going to sprinkle fairy dust over the land and heal all our ills. I predict a lot of disillusionment over the next couple of years - everytime Peggy has to put gas in her car, she's going to be so confused.

31 Master Shake  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:07:51pm

re: #25 calbear84

As an American, at least I can be proud of a peaceful turnover of power. President Bush and Senator McCain were gracious in their congratulations.
As bad as this defeat is, at least there are no tanks in the streets.

Not until Obamuhhh's "Civilian Defense Force" is organized, at least...

32 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:08:23pm

re: #29 BigJohn

Thank you grandma. I will think of your words while I am trying to get over my fury at 64 million of my countrymen. My first instinct is to tell them that I will laugh in their face when their decision blows up in theirs. But, that is probably not productive.

Actually, that's what I've told a couple of my smug co-workers.

33 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:08:40pm

Obama might be a good president, I hope so. Let us see. Life is full of surprises.

He certainly cannot act in office as he acted on the campaign trail.

And if he's no good, we'll throw him out in 4 years.

34 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:08:44pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

It's about a female painter, living in the village in New York, who gets sick and she believes she will die when the last leaf on a vine (outside her window) drops from the vine.

A drunk German painter in the same building, who has lost his muse, secretly "paints" a single leaf on the vine during a terrible storm one night.

He dies, she sees the last leaf has survived and she lives. What a fucking downer.

In other words, she's pinning her hope on something that isn't there.

Incisive political commentary!

35 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:08:58pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton


Twilight Zone episode...didn't know it was an O. Henry story.

36 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:09:28pm

re: #29 BigJohn

Thank you grandma. I will think of your words while I am trying to get over my fury at 64 million of my countrymen. My first instinct is to tell them that I will laugh in their face when their decision blows up in theirs. But, that is probably not productive.

Maybe not, but you'll feel better.

37 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:09:32pm

re: #28 Soona'

...and I want a new car. Can the O make me young again?

Well, duh. If he can stop the rise of the oceans, of course he can stop the fall of your whatevers. However, in return, he will demand 100 hours per week of community service (remember, he will "demand that you get off your couches and get involved) and you'll have to sign your paycheck over to your poorest neighbor. Of course, you'll have to do that stuff anyway, so you may as well get the fountain of youth for your trouble.

38 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:09:51pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

A happy note?

Well, our Christmas show begins tomorrow evening. Yea, I know, a bit early, I agree. But in the theatre business, the Xmas show is know as the "fund raiser." You could put a Xmas tree on stage and play two hours of pre-recorded Christmas music, and they would come.

We are doing a small musical, "An O. Henry Christmas." Two O. Henry stories, almost an operetta. "The Last Leaf" and of course "The Gift of the Magi."

I had never read (or heard of) "The Last Leaf." Not really a Christmas story, although it does take place in the winter. Gee, it's a real downer (IMHO).

It's about a female painter, living in the village in New York, who gets sick and she believes she will die when the last leaf on a vine (outside her window) drops from the vine.

A drunk German painter in the same building, who has lost his muse, secretly "paints" a single leaf on the vine during a terrible storm one night.

He dies, she sees the last leaf has survived and she lives. What a fucking downer.

Man I wish I could see that. Have you ever read Tolkien's "Leaf by Niggle"? A different theme hung on the same conceit...a perfect painting of a leaf.

And my favorite O. Henry story is "The Ransom of Red Chief". That could be made into a movie, IMO, although I guess "Home Alone" is close.

39 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:09:53pm

This should make everybody feel secure. Obama will soon start to get "Top Secret" briefings.
Other than as President Elect, he could not get a "Top Secret" clearance.

40 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:10:23pm

re: #31 Master Shake

I don't see how he can even touch that civilian force idea in office.

That was political hyperbole IMHO.

41 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:11:19pm

re: #35 BignJames

Twilight Zone episode...didn't know it was an O. Henry story.

Really? I didn't know that (and shit, I'm a TZ fan). Was it adapted, or strait on the same story? I'll have to look that up now.

Still, it's a real downer for a Xmas story. I love O. Henry stuff, but come on, who in the hell would put these two stories together.

42 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:11:37pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Obama might be a good president, I hope so. Let us see. Life is full of surprises.

He certainly cannot act in office as he acted on the campaign trail.

And if he's no good, we'll throw him out in 4 years.

Oh, I wish you were right - if we (they) elected him even knowing all we did during the campaign, I think nothing short of death or resignation will make this a 4 year rather than an 8 year run. I hope hope hope I'm wrong.

43 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:11:57pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

And my favorite O. Henry story is "The Ransom of Red Chief". That could be made into a movie, IMO, although I guess "Home Alone" is close.

It already is. I saw it in the 7th grade.

44 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:12:41pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

Man I wish I could see that. Have you ever read Tolkien's "Leaf by Niggle"? A different theme hung on the same conceit...a perfect painting of a leaf.

And my favorite O. Henry story is "The Ransom of Red Chief". That could be made into a movie, IMO, although I guess "Home Alone" is close.

It was... a number of times...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

45 puckish and beguiling  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:12:53pm

I was listening to NPR on the way home (AM wasn't coming in) and they were doing a story about how Kenyans were celebrating O's victory and how they tore down branches to put on O's father's grave and said how he had sired a king.
That's what I am afraid of.

46 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:13:06pm

big john you and i have the same first instinct
re: #29 BigJohn

Thank you grandma. I will think of your words while I am trying to get over my fury at 64 million of my countrymen. My first instinct is to tell them that I will laugh in their face when their decision blows up in theirs. But, that is probably not productive.

47 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:13:31pm

re: #12 IslandLibertarian

Jai guru dev...ohm...

Watt?

48 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:13:36pm

re: #37 Lorenska

Well, duh. If he can stop the rise of the oceans, of course he can stop the fall of your whatevers. However, in return, he will demand 100 hours per week of community service (remember, he will "demand that you get off your couches and get involved) and you'll have to sign your paycheck over to your poorest neighbor. Of course, you'll have to do that stuff anyway, so you may as well get the fountain of youth for your trouble.

...and I want a vacation in Maui, a new Rolex watch...huh? What did you say?

49 mensamann  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:04pm

My one year prediction:
By next November, President Obama will be ridiculed and derided by his fickle constituency once it sinks in that he isn't capable of buying their gas and paying their mortgage. When the Iraq war doesn't go away any sooner than the 2010 date that has already been set by the Bush administration, the moonbats will turn on him just as they did on Hillary when she told the truth about the war. The realization that the President of the United States can't suddenly make your life a free trip up gumdrop mountain, no matter how much you think he can relate to you, will set in and then the "buyers remorse" will start.

50 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:04pm

re: #39 opnion

This should make everybody feel secure. Obama will soon start to get "Top Secret" briefings.
Other than as President Elect, he could not get a "Top Secret" clearance.

What is extremely scary is that Joe Biden will be getting them too. When will he let something slip during one of his gaffes?

51 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:04pm

re: #42 Lorenska

Oh, I wish you were right - if we (they) elected him even knowing all we did during the campaign, I think nothing short of death or resignation will make this a 4 year rather than an 8 year run. I hope hope hope I'm wrong.


The press intends to sheild him from criticism. People hear positive things enough & they vote accordingly.

52 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:20pm

re: #26 Happy Fun Ball

: (

53 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:25pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

It was... a number of times...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Two TV movies I never heard of and...1911?

I am betting these are not at Blockbuster. ;)

54 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:14:42pm

My new bumper sticker:

Hey Obama -
When do I get my free stuff?

55 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:11pm

re: #40 Ojoe

I don't see how he can even touch that civilian force idea in office.

That was political hyperbole IMHO.

We need to keep showing those thugs in front of the Philly polling place yesterday. Those guys thought they were security.

56 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:13pm

re: #48 Soona'

...and I want a vacation in Maui, a new Rolex watch...huh? What did you say?

And a pony!

57 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:25pm

re: #50 musicman

What is extremely scary is that Joe Biden will be getting them too. When will he let something slip during one of his gaffes?


Very soon.

58 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:27pm

re: #51 opnion

We're in for some Camelot.

59 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:31pm

re: #54 shiek al beif salami

My new bumper sticker:

Hey Obama -
When do I get my free stuff?

I like

O noes!

60 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:15:32pm

re: #45 puckish and beguiling

I was listening to NPR on the way home (AM wasn't coming in) and they were doing a story about how Kenyans were celebrating O's victory and how they tore down branches to put on O's father's grave and said how he had sired a king.
That's what I am afraid of.

I was wondering whether we had heard anything from the newly-minted Kenyan Prime Minister By Intimidation yet.

61 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:16:11pm

re: #58 jaunte

We're in for some Camelot.

With an emphasis on the Camel. Large, ill-tempered, and smelly.

62 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:16:18pm

re: #56 victor_yugo

And a pony!

Have to settle for the standard-issue unicorns.

63 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:16:29pm

re: #54 shiek al beif salami

My new bumper sticker:

Hey Obama -
When do I get my free stuff?

I like it!

64 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:16:39pm

re: #11 grandma

Wonderful, grandma! :-) It took me a full day of gnashing teeth to reach a similar conclusion. I've decided to call the next few months (and it WILL only be a matter of months until A LOT of people rue their vote) Reality Takes a Holiday.

65 RubyTuesday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:16:54pm

re: #37 Lorenska
Upding! You made me smile, which hasn't happened much today.

66 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:05pm

re: #38 OldLineTexan

Man I wish I could see that. Have you ever read Tolkien's "Leaf by Niggle"? A different theme hung on the same conceit...a perfect painting of a leaf.

And my favorite O. Henry story is "The Ransom of Red Chief". That could be made into a movie, IMO, although I guess "Home Alone" is close.

Ok, I just did a little quick research. I couldn't find anything about The Last Leaf being adapted as a Twilight Zone episode.

Yes, of course, O. Henry influenced that type of story framing, he had an effect on many writers.

But, I can't find a TZ on the Last Leaf.

Any help?

67 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:11pm

re: #62 itellu3times

Have to settle for the standard-issue unicorns.

Does the standard model shit rainbows?

68 opnion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:14pm

re: #58 jaunte

We're in for some Camelot.

It will be a true restoration with Michell as the new Jackie.

69 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:17pm

i think i will call the obama campaing here in town and ask where i can send my mortage bill, they are hounding me for my october payment

re: #54 shiek al beif salami

My new bumper sticker:

Hey Obama -
When do I get my free stuff?

70 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:45pm

re: #65 RubyTuesday

Upding! You made me smile, which hasn't happened much today.

I have been perfectly happy today.

I paid my mortgage, and filled my gas tank.

I Am My Own Obama

71 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:17:46pm

re: #56 victor_yugo

And a pony!

With a new saddle?

72 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:18:10pm

re: #53 OldLineTexan

Two TV movies I never heard of and...1911?

I am betting these are not at Blockbuster. ;)

Yes it is. See Amazon, see IMDB and click on the for sale links.

73 rsbelax  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:18:34pm

I didnt drink a drop las tonight, but I feel hungover today. Amazing how this news of the new president-elect is taken by people; can you imagine the immediate reaction of the crowds that supported Obama if the outcome went the other way? All of those people that gathered in Chicago and other cities...yikes!

74 Steve Rogers  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:18:48pm

I VOW

· I vow never to sink as low as too many of the liberals and Democrats sank when they demonized President Bush, all conservatives, Republicans, and the Military non-stop for 8 years.
· I vow to be better than liberals and democrats who engaged in 8 years of vitriolic, paranoid, deranged hatred.
· I vow never to succumb to any type of "Obama Derangement Syndrome" like too many of the Democrats did with their "Bush Derangement Syndrome."
· I vow that, unlike liberals and Democrats, I will never wish harm on the U.S. just so that Obama might be politically damaged or made to look bad.
· I vow to realize that, unlike liberals, my self-worth is not determined by who is -- or is not -- in the White House.
· I vow to civilly accept Obama as the President, recognizing my right to disagree with many of his policies is still intact.
· I vow never to allow any liberal or Democrat to ever again accuse the U.S. of being racist or bigoted.
· I vow to defend and protect the Constitution that Obama says is fundamentally flawed.
· I vow to love my family more than Obama's cultish followers worship him.
· I vow to shelter my money so that he will never get his nicotine-stained Marxist hands on it.
· I vow to buy more guns just to piss off Obama, liberals and Democrats.
· I vow to take more time to do more things I enjoy, knowing no matter how hard he tries, Obama can never take certain pleasures away from me.

75 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:19:06pm

re: #69 bcgirl

Mail it to:

c/o Barack Obama
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.

76 Meremortal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:19:14pm

re: #54 shiek al beif salami

My new bumper sticker:

Hey Obama -
When do I get my free stuff?

Here is my new one:

56 million club

77 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:19:24pm

re: #68 opnion

It will be a true restoration with Michell as the new Jackie.

--choke! Gak!

78 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:19:48pm

finally i have laughed today,, thank you oldline texan, i will print it and put it on my computer this weekend when i clean out my desk (just clearing the clutter) it will be an inside joke, it will face directly at my most annoying canadian coworker (thread below)

re: #59 OldLineTexan

I like

O noes!

79 Dustyvet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:20:01pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Obama might be a good president, I hope so. Let us see. Life is full of surprises.

He certainly cannot act in office as he acted on the campaign trail.

And if he's no good, we'll throw him out in 4 years.

I've got the man pegged as a ONE TERMER!

80 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:20:05pm

BBIAW

81 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:20:19pm

I watched the 0bamas vote...it took them more than 15 minutes!
Now I think I know why he refused to release his grades from college.
He has a tough time reading unless it is a well rehearsed speech on teleprompter.
4 years of waiting for him to get the sense of complex papers might just break him.
He won't have to read any of that stuff, will he?
Hopefully he'll have trused folks to do it for him and regurgitate it to him like he's a baby bird in the nest.
"Trusted people," like
John Podesta*,
Valerie Bowman Jarrett,
Pete Rouse,
Rahm Emanuel*,
Janet Napolitano,
Federico Peña* and
William Daley*.

*Former Clinonistas. (Wasn't it putting Clintonistas on his team what sunk John Kerry?)

82 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:20:30pm

re: #68 opnion

This time I'm going to duck and cover out in the countryside. Even back in the first Camelot administration I knew that getting under that elementary school desk was just useless.

83 RubyTuesday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:20:50pm

Here, for a grin, is an email received from a friend:

Dear Fellow Business Owners,
As a business owner who employs 50 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next President, and that my prices will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Customer will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 10%. I will also have to lay off 10 of my employees.
This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled thru the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees' cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a
better idea, let me know.
I'm sending this letter to all the business owners that I know.
Sincerely,
An American

84 Meremortal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:21:05pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I just did a little quick research. I couldn't find anything about The Last Leaf being adapted as a Twilight Zone episode.

Yes, of course, O. Henry influenced that type of story framing, he had an effect on many writers.

But, I can't find a TZ on the Last Leaf.

Any help?

+
I don't know if it was a Twilight Zone episode, but I did see that story done on TV in the past.

85 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:10pm

re: #75 shiek al beif salami

Mail it to:

c/o Barack Obama
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.


thank you i will, really

86 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:15pm
87 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:28pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

A happy note?

Well, our Christmas show begins tomorrow evening. Yea, I know, a bit early, I agree. But in the theatre business, the Xmas show is know as the "fund raiser." You could put a Xmas tree on stage and play two hours of pre-recorded Christmas music, and they would come.

We are doing a small musical, "An O. Henry Christmas." Two O. Henry stories, almost an operetta. "The Last Leaf" and of course "The Gift of the Magi."

I had never read (or heard of) "The Last Leaf." Not really a Christmas story, although it does take place in the winter. Gee, it's a real downer (IMHO).

It's about a female painter, living in the village in New York, who gets sick and she believes she will die when the last leaf on a vine (outside her window) drops from the vine.

A drunk German painter in the same building, who has lost his muse, secretly "paints" a single leaf on the vine during a terrible storm one night.

He dies, she sees the last leaf has survived and she lives. What a fucking downer.

I always liked "The Cop and the Anthem"

88 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:47pm

Post-election Wednesday? I thought Democrats were supposed to vote today.

89 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:49pm

re: #47 itellu3times

Watt?

Words are flying out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Lennon-McCartney

90 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:22:56pm

re: #67 victor_yugo

Does the standard model shit rainbows?

No. The shitting rainbows only comes with the delirium package. You can however, still order the leprechaun delete.

91 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:23:20pm

re: #42 Lorenska

Oh, I wish you were right - if we (they) elected him even knowing all we did during the campaign, I think nothing short of death or resignation will make this a 4 year rather than an 8 year run. I hope hope hope I'm wrong.

What "we" (here) knew is nowhere near what the general population was allowed to know through the mainstream media.

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THEY FIND OUT! ;-)

92 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:23:28pm

The bumper sticker on my other car:

My gun - yes
My liberty - maybe
My welfare cheese - never

93 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:23:54pm

re: #83 RubyTuesday

I just hope they weren't all of one color.
Discrimination, doncha know.
Cute though.

94 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:24:03pm

another reason to smile today, good idea
re: #83 RubyTuesday

Here, for a grin, is an email received from a friend:

Dear Fellow Business Owners,
As a business owner who employs 50 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next President, and that my prices will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Customer will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 10%. I will also have to lay off 10 of my employees.
This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled thru the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees' cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a
better idea, let me know.
I'm sending this letter to all the business owners that I know.
Sincerely,
An American

95 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:24:07pm

Real change you can count on!
Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Job of White House Chief of Staff
I was always taught not to rely on re-treads.

96 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:24:56pm

re: #85 bcgirl

Oops - I left off ATTENTION: Free Stuff Bureau

97 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:25:14pm

re: #95 musicman

Real change you can count on!
Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Job of White House Chief of Staff
I was always taught not to rely on re-treads.

It's not surprising to me that The One is teaming up with Emanuel.

98 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:25:31pm

re: #48 Soona'

...and I want a vacation in Maui, a new Rolex watch...huh? What did you say?

See, that's how it works...PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (it'll cost ya) PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (get out yer checkbook)
That's how he works, and that's why he won. And people will figure it out quickly, I'm afraid.

99 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:25:54pm

re: #97 OldLineTexan

It's not surprising to me that The One is teaming up with Emanuel.

But, but but, the mantra was change wasn't it?

100 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:26:22pm

I just realized something.

The Fascist Tool will be the 44th president.

And isn't 44 halfway to 88?

/conspiracy!

101 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:26:46pm

re: #51 opnion

The press intends to sheild him from criticism. People hear positive things enough & they vote accordingly.

This is very true...as I said before, criticism will become racism, dissent will become hate, and disagreement will become divisiveness, just like during the campaign. It won't be allowed.

102 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:26:58pm

re: #95 musicman

Real change you can count on!
Obama Offers Rahm Emanuel Job of White House Chief of Staff
I was always taught not to rely on re-treads.

There's a joke there somewhere about $$ spent on the election, 22" spinners, and retreads.

103 PAgirlinNC  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:27:10pm

I heard the creepiest thing this afternoon when I went outside. A school bus was going through the neighborhood and the windows were down. I heard one or two kids - and when I say kids, I mean kindergarten or first graders - yelling "O-BA-MA! O-BA-MA!" out the windows.

Looks like that Civilian National Army thing is going to be a big hit...

104 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:27:11pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

A "downer?" No, not really. Irony, sentiment and pathos were common forms of amusement in the late 19th/early 20th century. In the days when there was no welfare, and certainly no free government healthcare, and before the days of wonder drugs, death and disease were common facts of life.

No, it never came across my reading lists in school, and when I was in grammar school, I had a high school senior reading level.

I love the story. But my point is it doesn't come across as a Xmas story. Maybe in the least a Easter story, if you want to work off the "sacrifice" aspect. But for Xmas, give me a break.

This is tech week, we open for preview tomorrow night. Of course, I'm running the show, so I'm trying to get over tearing up and crying before we open.

Can't have any emotions when running a show. Besides, sniffling and sneezing and blowing ones nose in a 135 seat theatre gets really noisy.

105 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:27:31pm

re: #98 Lorenska

See, that's how it works...PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (it'll cost ya) PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (get out yer checkbook)
That's how he works, and that's why he won. And people will figure it out quickly, I'm afraid.

But. But but.

106 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:27:44pm

re: #65 RubyTuesday

Upding! You made me smile, which hasn't happened much today.

Oh yay! I love that I made a lizard smile on a day like today, I'm very proud - and I'm all about the updings, heck yeah, thanks! :)

107 a marine mom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:22pm

re: #90 brickthruplateglasswindow

There is a mess on my monitor now. Thank you very much.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:37pm
109 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:40pm

See you guys and gals later, I hope. I am off to trek to the formerly-frozen North, where I will step on polar bears' heads as they attempt to pathetically clumber back onto the shrinking ice caps.

Then I shall dine on beluga (whale) and baby Harp seal washed down with the ancient, icy melt.

Afterwards, I shall crawl under The Bus and sleep a sleep of a thousand years, returning only when Arthur does as the once and future King.

/that, or I am cooking some chicken tenders

110 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:43pm

re: #91 littleoldlady

What "we" (here) knew is nowhere near what the general population was allowed to know through the mainstream media.

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THEY FIND OUT! ;-)

I swear, you're so right - I'm waiting for that lightbulb to go on, it'll be so vindicating. I just hope he doesn't kill the country in the process.

111 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:48pm

Ok, for those who think they have seen The Last Leaf on film, here is a reference...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

But it was not a Twilight Zone episode.

112 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:28:58pm

re: #24 puckish and beguiling

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but at Michelle Malkin's site she has a hilarious preview of Maya Angelou's inauguration poem.

Hilarious!

113 Parker in US  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:29:22pm

re: #8 Oh no...Sand People!

I just can't wait til after January 20th...when I get my unlimited supply of free gas and my free house...

/

Don't forget your "Hope & Change"

114 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:29:39pm

re: #90 brickthruplateglasswindow

No. The shitting rainbows only comes with the delirium package. You can however, still order the leprechaun delete.

I already have the Leprechaun Delete. In my bank account.

115 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:29:46pm

re: #33 Ojoe

Obama might be a good president, I hope so. Let us see. Life is full of surprises.

He certainly cannot act in office as he acted on the campaign trail.

And if he's no good, we'll throw him out in 4 years.

Maybe Michael Steele will run against him. No Sarah Palin though. Please no more media monkeys throwing poop at candidates.

116 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:30:03pm

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is going to need to read a manual--maybe two or three--to figure out how to run things.

Sadly, tragically...that is what ol'Plugs is for.

117 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:30:37pm
118 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:30:47pm

re: #105 Soona'

But. But but.

I know, unfair, huh? Talk about buyers remorse.

"But you SAID I wouldn't have to pay for healthcare/tuition/taxes/food/water/gas/jammies & fluffy bunny slippers anymore. You SAID. You PROMISED, member? Member? Mr. Obama? Are you there?"

119 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:30:55pm

re: #116 OldLineTexan

Sadly, tragically...that is what ol'Plugs is for.

What, to make up shit? That'll work. //

120 mean Gene  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:30:59pm

Gee.
After over 20 months of campaigning and opportunity to research, AP admits it know little about our new president elect.


Even after nearly two years in the spotlight, little is understood about the 47-year-old first-term senator's approach to leadership.
His resume: community organizer, eight years as state legislator, and less than four as U.S. senator.

As a lawmaker, he has displayed a knack for working with Republicans on a handful of favorite issues.
But he has devoted most of his time in the Senate to running for president.
Unlike the past seven presidents, he was never a governor or vice president.
And unlike John F. Kennedy, the last senator to move directly to the presidency, Obama has not commanded troops in wartime.

Personally, he's a bit of an enigma, too.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

121 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:31:06pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

hahaahhahahahahahahhahahaaa

122 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:31:20pm

re: #115 kansas

Maybe Michael Steele will run against him. No Sarah Palin though. Please no more media monkeys jihadis throwing poop at candidates.

More correct.

123 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:31:36pm

re: #119 kansas

What, to make up shit? That'll work. //

Dude, seriously...he's the experienced guy on the ticket. A little OJT.

124 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:31:46pm

re: #98 Lorenska

See, that's how it works...PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (it'll cost ya) PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE (get out yer checkbook)
That's how he works, and that's why he won. And people will figure it out quickly, I'm afraid.

People who don't pay taxes won't figure out anything.

125 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:31:57pm

re: #122 victor_yugo

More correct.

I was thinking of monkeys in the zoo that hurl poop at visitors.

126 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:32:03pm

re: #118 Lorenska

American Free-dom.

127 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:32:17pm

I'm old and I read slow. I also type slow. So would you people
please TYPE SLOWER so I can keep up. Thank you.

128 OldLineTexan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:32:26pm

re: #126 shiek al beif salami

American Free-dom.

American Free-dumb

129 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:32:38pm

re: #74 Steve Rogers

Well done.

couple of questions: did you write that? May I use it to spam my friends?

130 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:32:47pm

-- Gah--

My sister just sent me a video of people around the world singing about Obama. They are all on bridges. Get it -- bridges.

-- Gah --

131 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:03pm

re: #123 OldLineTexan

Dude, seriously...he's the experienced guy on the ticket. A little OJT.

He does seem to just make up stuff, don't you think?

132 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:12pm

re: #128 OldLineTexan

I know, but I decided to resist the dark side.

133 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:33pm

re: #125 kansas

I was thinking of monkeys in the zoo that hurl poop at visitors.

And I was thinking of Gitmo. Different kind of zoo.

134 Parker in US  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:38pm

re: #120 mean Gene

Gee.
After over 20 months of campaigning and opportunity to research, AP admits it know little about our new president elect.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]


Where was this 6 months ago?

135 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:39pm

re: #118 Lorenska

I know, unfair, huh? Talk about buyers remorse.

"But you SAID I wouldn't have to pay for healthcare/tuition/taxes/food/water/gas/ jammies & fluffy bunny slippers anymore. You SAID. You PROMISED, member? Member? Mr. Obama? Are you there?"

Obama to Biden: "Do you hear something"?

136 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:50pm

re: #133 victor_yugo

And I was thinking of Gitmo. Different kind of zoo.

Got it.

137 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:33:57pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

A happy note?

...
What a fucking downer.

wow. yeah. Bring out that Christmas tree. ;-)

138 whiterasta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:34:06pm

I thought Obama's speech last night was vacuous piffle.

Spouting babblespeak with nothing of substance.

139 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:34:15pm

In case anyone missed this today.

President Dmitri Medvedev took advantage of the euphoria in America today to order the deployment of missiles inside Europe as a response to US plans for a missile defence shield.

Speaking within hours of Barack Obama's election as the new US President, Mr Medvedev announced that Russia would base Iskander missiles in its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad next to the border with Poland.

He did not say whether the short-range missiles would carry nuclear warheads. Mr Medvedev also cancelled earlier plans to withdraw three intercontinental ballistic missile regiments from western Russia.

"An Iskander missile system will be deployed in the Kaliningrad region to neutralise if necessary the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe," Mr Medvedev said in his first state-of-the-nation address.

Related Links
US troops in Iraq not won over by Obama
World celebrates Barack Obama victory
Obama victory: world press reaction
He added that Russia was also ready to deploy its navy and to install electronic jamming devices to interfere with the US shield, which involves the deployment of a radar station in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in Poland.

His announcement prompted a burst of applause from government ministers and parliamentary deputies assembled in the Kremlin. The President failed to congratulate Mr Obama or even to mention him by name during his 85-minute state of the nation address televised live across Russia.

SNIP

Hat-tip: a Lizard.

140 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:34:32pm

re: #138 whiterasta

I thought Obama's speech last night was vacuous piffle.

Spouting babblespeak with nothing of substance.

But wasn't it eloquent?

141 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:34:36pm

Don't blame me, I voted for Archuleta.

142 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:34:36pm

re: #138 whiterasta

I thought Obama's speech last night was vacuous piffle.

Spouting babblespeak with nothing of substance.


there

143 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:35:12pm

If I drank, I'd get drunk.

144 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:35:36pm
145 whiterasta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:35:45pm

re: #139 MandyManners

The barbarians of gaza sent President Elect Obama a message earlier today...

146 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:03pm

re: #139 MandyManners

The Testing begins.

147 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:19pm

re: #145 whiterasta

The barbarians of gaza sent President Elect Obama a message earlier today...

So did the barbarians of Wall Street.

148 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:24pm

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Hey dere buzz monkey

149 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:36pm
150 Bos2112  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:38pm

Anyone see this one yet?

Get your goosestep on peeps!

151 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:36:54pm

re: #147 kansas

So did the barbarians of Wall Street.

Was it a bad day? I have been out of touch.

152 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:00pm

re: #138 whiterasta

I thought Obama's speech last night was vacuous piffle.

Spouting babblespeak with nothing of substance.

That's our Obama. Rhetorical flourishes and all. Hopefully he won't give us the finger.

153 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:16pm
154 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:21pm

re: #110 Lorenska

I swear, you're so right - I'm waiting for that lightbulb to go on, it'll be so vindicating. I just hope he doesn't kill the country in the process.

Nah. I really don't think he has the time to fully implement his drip drip drip Obamunism. He's going to start to p*ss off his constituents on Day One, if only because he promised everything to everyone. Heck, he has a head start because 45% of us are already p*ssed off. ;-)

Look, he's not even in office yet and tax cuts will be "delayed".

/HA. HA.

155 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:23pm

re: #139 MandyManners

Now the fun begins.

156 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:36pm

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

He'll get high Marx.

::groan:: :)

157 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:37:47pm

re: #124 MandyManners

People who don't pay taxes won't figure out anything.

Well, that's certainly true - all they'll figure out is that FINALLY, those evil rich people are getting theirs, about time. Never mind that those evil people will just take their money - and oh yeah, their jobs and support for America - someplace else. Some people just don't get it - they're so jealous of the guy with the ball that they don't realize that punishing that guy means he takes his ball and goes home - then no one gets to play. It'll take some time to trickle down, but eventually, enough people will be affected that I have to assume the majority will start to get it.

158 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:38:02pm

re: #120 mean Gene

Gee.
After over 20 months of campaigning and opportunity to research, AP admits it know little about our new president elect.


[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

A lot to late!

159 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:38:03pm

re: #143 HelloDare

If I drank, I'd get drunk.

Fine time to start.

But a bad time to resume.

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:38:24pm

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is going to need to read a manual--maybe two or three--to figure out how to run things.

Rest assured that the learning curve for him and his staff will not be an organized effort -- no class in his Administration.

161 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:38:42pm

re: #151 mama winger

Was it a bad day? I have been out of touch.

Down about 450 or 5%

162 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:23pm

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

He's passed this test:
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
-- Groucho Marx

163 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:29pm

re: #74 Steve Rogers

That's an awfully high water mark after so few posts. I expect great things from you lizard.

164 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:32pm

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

Yo, mama! I gave you a prayer/condolence shout out...elsewhere.

Oh! thank you so much {buzz}

my stepsister and her husband are flying in so I did not have to go down to identify the body, thank the Lord. I don't think I could have done that today.

165 Meremortal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:38pm

I heard a little excerpt of the Messiah's speech given last night. He was ripping off MLK, saying "We may not get there in one year, or 4 years.." or some such. He didn't go with the "I may not get there with you" line.

Chicken. It sounded like he was already running for his second term, and admitting he wasn't going to accomplish anything during his first.

166 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:40pm

bridge over trouble waters, burning bridges lost for ever more, bridge the gap, bridge to NOWHERE


re: #130 HelloDare

-- Gah--

My sister just sent me a video of people around the world singing about Obama. They are all on bridges. Get it -- bridges.

-- Gah --

167 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:46pm

re: #124 MandyManners

People who don't pay taxes won't figure out anything.

They're expecting reparations. Those may be "delayed", too. ;-)

168 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:39:48pm

OT:
I am getting very excited to buy Fallout 3!

/I am sooo easy to please.

169 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:40:03pm

Morning All!
0640 Thursday morning in Bangkok, and Thai radio/TV is nattering away about Obama...

Of the mass of questions, "Will it STILL BE 'America'?" and
"Will Americans have freedom of speech?"

170 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:40:04pm

re: #100 victor_yugo

Here's an even better conspiracy for you.
The Mayan calendar has the world ending in 2012...roughly 3.5 years from now...which is near the end of ___'s presidential term...that's the same time frame as the last half of the Tribulation leading up to THE APOCALYPSE!...

Now if you believe this, sell all you have, send me the proceeds, and I'll give you the address of the fallout shelter I'm setting up in Wyoming.

...breathe...

171 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:40:24pm

Home from my campaign jaunt in Reno. I am feeling shock, sadness, disbelief, and fatigue. And I have lost faith in the judgment and wisdom of my fellow Americans. 'Twas not just moonbats who voted for The One, but millions and millions of regular people. The results in PA, OH, and FL are especially discouraging. What happened to the PUMAs, coalminers, and Joe the Plumbers that supposedly gave us a fighting chance? Why did so many of them vote for The One?

172 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:40:56pm

One of the local gun-clinging rubes in my 'hood asked me this morning if "they wuz still gonna call it the White House.

/I thought we were bigger than that.

173 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:01pm

re: #139 MandyManners

Is this your first thread of the day, Mandy? It felt like something was missing all day!

174 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:06pm

re: #170 IslandLibertarian

Here's an even better conspiracy for you.
The Mayan calendar has the world ending in 2012...roughly 3.5 years from now...which is near the end of ___'s presidential term...that's the same time frame as the last half of the Tribulation leading up to THE APOCALYPSE!...

Now if you believe this, sell all you have, send me the proceeds, and I'll give you the address of the fallout shelter I'm setting up in Wyoming.

...breathe...

I was in Cozumel and bought a Mayan calendar. There's no room for more shit on it. Pretty though.

175 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:27pm

re: #165 Meremortal

I heard a little excerpt of the Messiah's speech given last night. He was ripping off MLK, saying "We may not get there in one year, or 4 years.." or some such. He didn't go with the "I may not get there with you" line.

Chicken. It sounded like he was already running for his second term, and admitting he wasn't going to accomplish anything during his first.

He's already started serving up the Cruel Aid.

176 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:29pm

re: #157 Lorenska

Well, that's certainly true - all they'll figure out is that FINALLY, those evil rich people are getting theirs, about time. Never mind that those evil people will just take their money - and oh yeah, their jobs and support for America - someplace else. Some people just don't get it - they're so jealous of the guy with the ball that they don't realize that punishing that guy means he takes his ball and goes home - then no one gets to play. It'll take some time to trickle down, but eventually, enough people will be affected that I have to assume the majority will start to get it.

Just like with Reagan, the MSM will not allow anything like that to happen.

177 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:30pm

re: #162 jaunte

He's passed this test:
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
-- Groucho Marx
"The secret of success in acting is sincerity. When you can fake that, you've got it made!"

George Burns

178 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:41:34pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Mermaids have no common sense whatsoever.

179 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:42:03pm
180 Jack of Shadows  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:42:08pm

re: #58 jaunte

We're in for some Camelsnot.

I couldn't help myself.

181 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:42:43pm

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

182 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:43:03pm

re: #177 Karridine

Maybe the secret to success is becoming known for another person's thoughts...

183 Meremortal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:43:36pm

re: #162 jaunte

He's passed this test:
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
-- Groucho Marx

Reminds me of a favorite Groucho story, which is apropos:

A man is taken to the gallows. He walks up upon the platform, and everything is put into place and made ready. The preacher says to him, "Do you have anything to say before the trap door is sprung?"

"Yes," he answers, "I don't think this damn thing is safe."

184 jaunte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:43:39pm

Be back later...

185 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:43:43pm

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

Think what you'll save in birthday and holiday gifts with the world coming to an end!

Well, if the world ends in 4 years, we don't have to worry about having enough for retirement.

186 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:43:56pm

re: #154 littleoldlady

Nah. I really don't think he has the time to fully implement his drip drip drip Obamunism. He's going to start to p*ss off his constituents on Day One, if only because he promised everything to everyone. Heck, he has a head start because 45% of us are already p*ssed off. ;-)

Look, he's not even in office yet and tax cuts"tax cuts" will be "delayed".

/HA. HA.

You forgot the scare quotes around "tax cuts"

187 Eyes of Blue  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:44:04pm

Last night I took two Advil PM at 7:00 to try and sleep the night away and not think about this election. I finally nodded off sometime after 11.
So much for that plan. I was still up at 5:00 a.m. Today I'm exhausted.

188 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:44:15pm

I still can't turn on the news, and I don't plan to. I'll be spending more time with my horse.

On another note, a friend of mine who was born in Stuggart but became a naturalized citizen approached me today to ask what I though of the new president. I don't know her politics so I just shrugged my shoulders. She then continued to tell me it wasn't her choice and she was scared as shit. We had a fun discussion after that, turns out she votes in Texas, too...she was in the U.S. Army and that's how she got her citizenship.

Another German friend asked me what I thought of the new president, I said, "I don't know, I guess we'll see." He said, "they're partying in the states..." I replied, "I'm sure they are." He said, so what do you think? I said, "I think my taxes are going to go up." He said, "really?"

Yeah! Really!

189 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:44:26pm

re: #182 jaunte

Maybe the secret to success is becoming known for another person's thoughts...

Despite those comedic, and funny, assertions... I believe it is still in BEING TRUE to ONESELF, Jaunte

190 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:44:27pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

Someday there will be books about the demise if the mainstream media.

/Obama will be chapters 3, 4 and 5...

191 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:44:59pm

I'm tempted to swing past some of the nastier corners of the internet -- the white supremacists, the militia guys, etc. -- to see how they're taking the news of Obama's election. Not well, I imagine.

I don't agree with Obama's fiscal policies, etc., but I do think his election is grand evidence that our nation has reached a new place, when it comes to race. I think that's unambiguously good.

My fear is that some nut from a militia -- like those idiot skinheads the FBI caught a couple of weeks ago -- is going to try and take a pot shot at Obama, and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

192 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:01pm

re: #154 littleoldlady

Nah. I really don't think he has the time to fully implement his drip drip drip Obamunism. He's going to start to p*ss off his constituents on Day One, if only because he promised everything to everyone. Heck, he has a head start because 45% of us are already p*ssed off. ;-)

Look, he's not even in office yet and tax cuts will be "delayed".

/HA. HA.

I'm sure Peggy has already cancelled her gas card and stopped her mortgage payments - so SHE'LL be pissed. And it'll be like Pelosi, when she didn't yank us out of Iraq and impeach Bush - that's why, in his acceptance speech last night, he already started backing off, with "The road will be long, it won't be easy, some things won't be doable in the first year or even the first term"...he's setting the stage to say, "sorry, I tried, but Bush's economic policies have screwed us up too badly." Everything that goes wrong for him will be attributed to the last 8 years, you watch.

193 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:06pm

re: #186 Lee Coller

Right. Sorry! ;-)

194 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:07pm

re: #190 littleoldlady

Someday there will be books about the demise if the mainstream media.

/Obama will be chapters 3, 4 and 5...

Think they will review it in the NY Times?

195 Seattle Rep  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:08pm

re: #139 MandyManners

yeah, the Russians, always a laugh a minute with those guys. Our buddy Hugo Chavez is laughing too, and buying Russian hardware...

196 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:11pm
197 RubyTuesday  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:21pm

Would there be someone willing to list The One's campaign promises, then check off the day he either makes good or craps out on each one? It won't be done by the MSM, and Lizards might be the only watchdogs trustworthy enough to keep track.

198 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:45:44pm
199 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:10pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

Why would they point out the failings of a candidate they so heavily promoted.

200 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:17pm

re: #169 Karridine

Morning All!
0640 Thursday morning in Bangkok, and Thai radio/TV is nattering away about Obama...

Of the mass of questions, "Will it STILL BE 'America'?" and
"Will Americans have freedom of speech?"

I seriously think Chuck Schumer and the progressive fascist left Democrats are going to push the "fairness doctrine". you know - since free speech is now considered "pornography" by said leftists.

201 scrad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:25pm

Was having this discussion with a friend last night. Now that Obama was elected, people like Jesse Jackson or any of the other 'race card players' technically have no leg to stand on.

If a black man can be elected president by mostly white people then the age of racial prejudice is over, right?

As far as I'm concerned it's a level playing field now. If anyone tells ME that we live in a racially prejudice society then I'll respond "If that's so, then how did Obama get elected?" If every black voted for him that's only 12% of the votes. Who were the remaining 88% ? Certainly not 'bigoted white people'.

So you think Jesse and the rest will change their tunes now?

Are pigs flying?

202 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:43pm

re: #197 RubyTuesday

Would there be someone willing to list The One's campaign promises, then check off the day he either makes good or craps out on each one? It won't be done by the MSM, and Lizards might be the only watchdogs trustworthy enough to keep track.

You know, let them do it. And if they don't then it doesn't get done. It didn't get us anywhere this time.

203 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:46pm
204 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:48pm

This seems like a good place to post a reminder of the Atlanta area Lizard meet-up this Sunday at 5 p.m. We will be meeting deep in blue territory so we might need to devise a secret handshake. My nic is blue if anyone would like further information. All are welcome!

205 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:46:49pm

re: #181 kansas

How can they avoid it?you can't vote present as POTUS. I say as soon as he makes his cabinet appointments the questions start.

206 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:11pm

re: #201 scrad

Was having this discussion with a friend last night. Now that Obama was elected, people like Jesse Jackson or any of the other 'race card players' technically have no leg to stand on.

If a black man can be elected president by mostly white people then the age of racial prejudice is over, right?

As far as I'm concerned it's a level playing field now. If anyone tells ME that we live in a racially prejudice society then I'll respond "If that's so, then how did Obama get elected?" If every black voted for him that's only 12% of the votes. Who were the remaining 88% ? Certainly not 'bigoted white people'.

So you think Jesse and the rest will change their tunes now?

Are pigs flying?

I think they'll definitely have less ammo now. No doubt about it.

207 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:12pm

re: #191 Cognito

I absolutely agree with your point. Call America what you like, but don't call it racist.

208 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:22pm

re: #165 Meremortal

I heard a little excerpt of the Messiah's speech given last night. He was ripping off MLK, saying "We may not get there in one year, or 4 years.." or some such. He didn't go with the "I may not get there with you" line.

Chicken. It sounded like he was already running for his second term, and admitting he wasn't going to accomplish anything during his first.

I predict 4 years of a constant Obama campaign. I'm already sick of him.
and as Killgore says - weee!

209 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:24pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

Nope. Due to their shrinking finances the MSM won't be able to afford any journalists on staff. All they'll be able to do is print official press releases from Obama's press secretary. In other words, steady as she goes!

210 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:25pm

re: #127 Mike in Georgia

I'm sorry. I can't possibly hunt-and-peck any more slowly than I do already!

211 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:33pm

re: #191 Cognito

I'm tempted to swing past some of the nastier corners of the internet -- the white supremacists, the militia guys, etc. -- to see how they're taking the news of Obama's election. Not well, I imagine.

I don't agree with Obama's fiscal policies, etc., but I do think his election is grand evidence that our nation has reached a new place, when it comes to race. I think that's unambiguously good.

My fear is that some nut from a militia -- like those idiot skinheads the FBI caught a couple of weeks ago -- is going to try and take a pot shot at Obama, and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

Stirring the pot, eh?

212 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:41pm

re: #191 Cognito

I'm tempted to swing past some of the nastier corners of the internet -- the white supremacists, the militia guys, etc. -- to see how they're taking the news of Obama's election. Not well, I imagine.

I don't agree with Obama's fiscal policies, etc., but I do think his election is grand evidence that our nation has reached a new place, when it comes to race. I think that's unambiguously good.

My fear is that some nut from a militia -- like those idiot skinheads the FBI caught a couple of weeks ago -- is going to try and take a pot shot at Obama, and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

I fear that there will be several nuts intent on this. I hope the Secret Service is on their game like never before and nobody even gets close. Failure would be a disaster.

213 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:47:56pm

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, I suppose it's sort of like doing "The Little Match Girl" as a Christmas story. Even though it takes place on New Year's Eve, so is seasonal, her freezing to death is kind of a downer.

On the other hand, the way Anderson wrote it, her freezing to death--and her soul flying off, warm at last, to Heaven with her grandmother--was intended to be comforting and uplifting.

When I was a kid, I received as a gift from some relative, an edition of Hans Christian Anderson stories, illustrated by Artur Szyk. That book scared the living shit out of me.

214 readytofight  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:48:23pm

Re: 83

I like your style! Perfect!

215 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:48:33pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

That's the plan; count on the end of the world, blow your 401K money, and thereby revive the economy. Mayan economics to the rescue!

I tried that last year. Cost me a butt load in taxes. Going home now.

216 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:48:46pm

re: #200 FrogMarch

If they try, they will become so bogged down that they won't be able to implement the rest of their commie agenda, and that's a good thing.

217 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:48:50pm
218 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:48:55pm

re: #191 Cognito

Cog, I walked to the store yesterday and, walking back, an Iraqi refugee called to me and asked, "Obama? Yes?"

Yes, I ansewered...

"Is BAD, he will take soldiers OUT of Iraq? Is bad!"

/HE has KNOWN tyranny... his brother was killed by Saddamites and his first son was shot before his eyes, to threaten... He was almost in tears at Obama's election yesterday...

219 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:05pm

I learned how to type, get this, while a young Airman in the USAF.

Before that I hadn't a clue. My job (cryptologic linguist) required 30 wpm.

A very nice lady taught me to do that in two weeks after normal training hours, two hours a day.

220 tmk8  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:14pm

I believe in my heart and in my head that Obama will seriously damage this country, and pray to God that he doesn't

221 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:28pm

re: #194 kansas

Think they will review it in the NY Times?

HELLOOO! WHAT New York Times?! LOL!

The NYTimes recently achieved junk bond status.
CBS lost...what was it? ... 23 billion last quarter.
The L.A. Times laid of a large chunk of their writers.

Newspapers? Network TV? I don't see any...

222 whiterasta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:35pm

I think it is a disgrace how the media have demonized Bush for the last 8 years.

They have been the biggest cheerleaders for our enemies.

Bastards...

223 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:35pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

Well for the newspapers, at the rate their going, they won't have to worry about what gets put on newsprint in a couple of years.

224 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:42pm

re: #5 BignJames

Where's my gas !?!

soon, with the billions invested in alternative energy your car will soon be scooping CO2 out of the air to run, and exhausting gumdrops and sunshine.

225 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:49:46pm

re: #200 FrogMarch

Concur yr analysis.

Now, WHAT DO WE DO?

226 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:50:00pm

re: #191 Cognito

I'm tempted to swing past some of the nastier corners of the internet -- the white supremacists, the militia guys, etc. -- to see how they're taking the news of Obama's election. Not well, I imagine.

I don't agree with Obama's fiscal policies, etc., but I do think his election is grand evidence that our nation has reached a new place, when it comes to race. I think that's unambiguously good.

My fear is that some nut from a militia -- like those idiot skinheads the FBI caught a couple of weeks ago -- is going to try and take a pot shot at Obama, and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

My theory is that any threat against him, God forbid, would come from the left. I'm not sure who might be any further left than Obama, but I could picture a deranged, disappointed extremist going after him.

227 Meremortal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:50:25pm

re: #208 FrogMarch

I predict 4 years of a constant Obama campaign. I'm already sick of him.
and as Killgore says - weee!


+
Campaigning is the one thing he knows how to do, so you are probably right.

228 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:50:37pm

re: #201 scrad


So you think Jesse and the rest will change their tunes now?

No... next question!

229 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:50:53pm

neocon, i just want to thank you again for comming to reno to help, i also an in shock, i really did not expect this, but i will tell you i started to notice alot of obama car stickers on election day that had not been there before, we were robbed,
re: #171 neocon hippie

Home from my campaign jaunt in Reno. I am feeling shock, sadness, disbelief, and fatigue. And I have lost faith in the judgment and wisdom of my fellow Americans. 'Twas not just moonbats who voted for The One, but millions and millions of regular people. The results in PA, OH, and FL are especially discouraging. What happened to the PUMAs, coalminers, and Joe the Plumbers that supposedly gave us a fighting chance? Why did so many of them vote for The One?

230 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:11pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

I had that one, too. Szyk's Haggadah is wonderful, but his people all have a kind of creepy agitprop look.

We have a Szyk haggadah. It is a wonderful collector's item, but very difficult to follow the actual seder.

As for his Anderson illustrations, they are creepy as hell and not something you give to a six-year-old. I had nightmares from "The Girl Who Trod On A Loaf."

231 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:15pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

I think he's in for a rude awakening. What's the story they're going to sell now? Bill Clinton got the same rude awakening, btw. It wasn't as bad as they treated Bush, but if they don't stir up the shit, they have no story. So now they have their guy in, but you watch, they'll start in on him. Trust me.

232 musicman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:19pm

re: #188 imploder

I still can't turn on the news, and I don't plan to. I'll be spending more time with my horse.

On another note, a friend of mine who was born in Stuggart but became a naturalized citizen approached me today to ask what I though of the new president. I don't know her politics so I just shrugged my shoulders. She then continued to tell me it wasn't her choice and she was scared as shit. We had a fun discussion after that, turns out she votes in Texas, too...she was in the U.S. Army and that's how she got her citizenship.

Another German friend asked me what I thought of the new president, I said, "I don't know, I guess we'll see." He said, "they're partying in the states..." I replied, "I'm sure they are." He said, so what do you think? I said, "I think my taxes are going to go up." He said, "really?"

Yeah! Really!

My son was born was born near Stuttgart at Bad Canstatt Hospital

233 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:27pm

re: #223 musicman

I think some will. They are as greedy and ambitious as the rest of us, and the allure of a Pulitzer prize will be just a little to much for a few of them.

234 splendid confusion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:51:50pm

Looks like we are all dealing with it pretty well. Here's something a little funny for you.
My fourth grader came home today with a homework assignment: Write a letter to President-Elect Obama persuading him and his family to get a certain breed of dog.

I started laughing--isn't interesting that the girls will be able to get a dog only when the family moves into the White House? It's basically government housing with staff to care for the pooch.

My fifth grader came up with a breed: Shar-Pei because the economy is sagging. I was thinking borzoi since it was a Russian dog, but the bosheviks almost wiped them out in 1917 as they were seen as aristocratic dogs. Shar-peis were almost wiped out by the Communist Revolution, too. Interesting facts, nonetheless.

235 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:52:06pm

re: #181 kansas

Does anyone think the MSM will actually report on Obama? I don't.

I don't either.

236 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:52:39pm

re: #191 Cognito

...and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

O-___ played the race card.
Prophesied he'd be put down because of his race.
Never happened.
Now, what does logic tell you?

237 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:52:40pm

re: #207 shiek al beif salami

I absolutely agree with your point. Call America what you like, but don't call it racist.

There has to be a moment when the leftist crowds in, say, Amsterdam, all look at each other and have a moment of existential realization about which country, exactly, is leading the way.

238 Truck Monkey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:52:54pm

re: #215 kansas

I tried that last year. Cost me a butt load in taxes. Going home now.

I wonder if Dear Leader is going to try and grab our 401k's like the socialist in Argentina. There are socialist academics out there calling for it.

239 whiterasta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:00pm

re: #234 splendid confusion

I think they should get a spineless shitzu!

240 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:06pm

re: #219 imploder

I learned how to type, get this, while a young Airman in the USAF.

Before that I hadn't a clue. My job (cryptologic linguist) required 30 wpm.

A very nice lady taught me to do that in two weeks after normal training hours, two hours a day.

My husband was a Navy cryptologist, and my son is training in the field now, both Russian. What language were you?

241 Gordan the Fisherman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:11pm

I just came from Academy Sports in north Dallas. I swear they had four people behind the counter in the gun section and all four had at least three people waiting to buy guns/ammo. No joke. I had to wait 20 minutes just to get a box of .45 auto. The cashier in the front said it had been like that all day.

CHANGE!

242 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:18pm
243 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #191 Cognito

I'm tempted to swing past some of the nastier corners of the internet -- the white supremacists, the militia guys, etc. -- to see how they're taking the news of Obama's election. Not well, I imagine.

I don't agree with Obama's fiscal policies, etc., but I do think his election is grand evidence that our nation has reached a new place, when it comes to race. I think that's unambiguously good.

My fear is that some nut from a militia -- like those idiot skinheads the FBI caught a couple of weeks ago -- is going to try and take a pot shot at Obama, and not only ruin the apparent new racial goodwill, but set us back by decades.

I did hold my nose long enough to check out some white supremacist sites. As some here might suspect, many of them are delighted with Obama's election. In what passes for their minds, his administration will finally expose the non-white agenda of world domination and inbreeding, and lead to fantastic growth in the white power movement. To summarize: They are crazy, but we knew that.

244 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #234 splendid confusion

Looks like we are all dealing with it pretty well. Here's something a little funny for you.
My fourth grader came home today with a homework assignment: Write a letter to President-Elect Obama persuading him and his family to get a certain breed of dog.

I started laughing--isn't interesting that the girls will be able to get a dog only when the family moves into the White House? It's basically government housing with staff to care for the pooch.

My fifth grader came up with a breed: Shar-Pei because the economy is sagging. I was thinking borzoi since it was a Russian dog, but the bosheviks almost wiped them out in 1917 as they were seen as aristocratic dogs. Shar-peis were almost wiped out by the Communist Revolution, too. Interesting facts, nonetheless.

No, only a Catahoula would terrorize the grounds sufficiently. But it's a very loyal breed.

245 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:35pm

re: #226 doppelganglander

My theory is that any threat against him, God forbid, would come from the left. I'm not sure who might be any further left than Obama, but I could picture a deranged, disappointed extremist going after him.

Yeah, I think those sorts of people tend to exist outside the usual right-left political spectrum. They're multi-laterally crazy.

246 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:36pm

re: #237 Cognito

The self-immolation will be delicious (though nasty smelling).

247 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:41pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Ok, for those who think they have seen The Last Leaf on film, here is a reference...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

But it was not a Twilight Zone episode.

You're right. This is the version I was referring to...1952 B&W hey, I'm old and easily confused.

248 yesandno  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:53:47pm

I love Michael Steele...but I don't think we should be looking for a BLACK to offset a BLACK necessarily. Often that is how we think we can check something...mine is better then yours. Not always the best strategy.

We need to look at everyone, understand where they stand, their record and then see what cooks.

But Michael Steele should be seriously considered.

249 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:54:00pm

re: #231 imploder

I think he's in for a rude awakening. What's the story they're going to sell now? Bill Clinton got the same rude awakening, btw. It wasn't as bad as they treated Bush, but if they don't stir up the shit, they have no story. So now they have their guy in, but you watch, they'll start in on him. Trust me.

Please. There's still Repulicans in congress.

250 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:54:21pm

i would love to have a list of them because i will keep them close by and as each one is crossed off and my coworkres complain i will bring out taht sheet and say, seee he promised you
re: #197 RubyTuesday

Would there be someone willing to list The One's campaign promises, then check off the day he either makes good or craps out on each one? It won't be done by the MSM, and Lizards might be the only watchdogs trustworthy enough to keep track.

251 ArmyWife  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:00pm

re: #115 kansas

I believe Mr. Steele would disagree. You know what I see in Sarah Palin? Me. Finally, a successful woman in the public spotlight I could identify with. She didn't go to an Ivy League school not because she wasn't capable, but because circumstances made it not possible. You know who else is like that? Me. My college education was gotten quite unconventionally - I was married with a 3 year old when I started. I had a baby my last semester. I finished my degree in 3 years, though, with a 3.96 GPA. Did I mention my husband was gone a heck of a lot being a Soldier during this time? I went to Texas A&M, but could I have graduated from Harvard or Stanford? You betcha. Sarah Palin is successful in her chosen career, a career that despite all the rhetoric from the left, isn't friendly to females. Guess who else is like that? Yep, me. Sarah Palin loves being a mom, she is proud to be someone's wife. She doesn't view either of those things as demeaning. Me either. I always wondered if I would ever be considered a viable candidate for public office because I would need to get there on my own convictions - not family money, not a sugar daddy husband, not the appropriate collegiate pedigree. I am convinced that I could, because I just witnessed someone else do just that.

252 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:06pm

re: #240 doppelganglander

My husband was a Navy cryptologist, and my son is training in the field now, both Russian. What language were you?

Tu no debes burlarte de mi, pero tu sabes el idoma con esta clave...

253 Soona'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:22pm

re: #241 Gordan the Fisherman

I just came from Academy Sports in north Dallas. I swear they had four people behind the counter in the gun section and all four had at least three people waiting to buy guns/ammo. No joke. I had to wait 20 minutes just to get a box of .45 auto. The cashier in the front said it had been like that all day.

CHANGE!

Heh.

254 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:38pm

re: #211 brickthruplateglasswindow

Stirring the pot, eh?

Um, no. Unless that's your pot.

255 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:51pm

re: #247 BignJames

You're right. This is the version I was referring to...1952 B&W hey, I'm old and easily confused.

That's ok. I'm the oldest starving artist I know, 55 years old and playing theatre for a living.

256 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:55:56pm

re: #252 imploder

Igpay Atinlay.

257 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:56:40pm

C'mon, y'all don't be too down in the mouth. I served eight years under Bill and it wasn't fun. I learned to cope.

258 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:57:21pm

re: #256 shiek al beif salami

Igpay Atinlay.

Nein, nichts Pig Latin! hahahaha!

259 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:57:29pm

re: #218 Karridine

Cog, I walked to the store yesterday and, walking back, an Iraqi refugee called to me and asked, "Obama? Yes?"

Yes, I ansewered...

"Is BAD, he will take soldiers OUT of Iraq? Is bad!"

/HE has KNOWN tyranny... his brother was killed by Saddamites and his first son was shot before his eyes, to threaten... He was almost in tears at Obama's election yesterday...


as was i for them, for the Iraqi's i have gotten to know on the blogs and their families, for the women and men with the purple fingers, and mostly for the Iraqi children

260 erisldysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:58:04pm

Are we more screwed now than when Carter won the Presidency?

Carter did not have the shady associations that Obama did far as I know, and was not associated with fraudulent fundraising, associations with & actually working with criminals* and 'squirrely' (if you get my drift) organizations, and all the other sins that Obama has.

Carter was a linguini spined and ineffectual liberal, but not a thoroughly corrupt leftist (correct me if I am wrong).

So, we really are more screwed now than then.

* criminal: "someone who committed a crime." Note the absence of "and was not so fortunate as to get off on a technicality" in my definition.

261 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:58:11pm

re: #236 IslandLibertarian

I think that racism as we've known it -- as a potent, widespread force -- has bit the dust. For heaven's sake, we elected a black man to the highest office in the land.

262 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 3:59:50pm

re: #254 Cognito

Um, no. Unless that's your pot.

Nope. I'm a Conservative, not a Libertarian. No pot here, officer.

263 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:00:35pm

re: #245 Cognito

Yeah, I think those sorts of people tend to exist outside the usual right-left political spectrum. They're multi-laterally crazy.

I've got a friend who's so far left, he starts swinging back around to the right. He believes every crazy left-wing conspiracy theory, plus a few nutty new age/supernatural things, yet he's hardcore pro-Second Amendment. I always tell him his conspiracies aren't true because the government is simply not competent enough to pull them off.

264 erisldysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:00:42pm

re: #251 ArmyWife

I believe Mr. Steele would disagree. You know what I see in Sarah Palin?

What I see is not only someone I believe could be a very effective POTUS or VEEP, but someone who if she had a clone would be a woman I would likely find appealing to marry.

265 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:00:50pm

re: #135 Soona'

Obama to Biden: "Do you hear something"?

Biden to Obama: "Only the melodious sound of your voice, Master."

266 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:01:00pm

He won because he was cuter. He looks great on TV.

267 imploder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:02:35pm

re: #260 erisldysnomia

Are we more screwed now than when Carter won the Presidency?

Carter did not have the shady associations that Obama did far as I know, and was not associated with fraudulent fundraising, associations with & actually working with criminals* and 'squirrely' (if you get my drift) organizations, and all the other sins that Obama has.

Carter was a linguini spined and ineffectual liberal, but not a thoroughly corrupt leftist (correct me if I am wrong).

So, we really are more screwed now than then.

* criminal: "someone who committed a crime." Note the absence of "and was not so fortunate as to get off on a technicality" in my definition.

Unfortunately for Obama, this shit will rise to the top, it can't be ignored forever.

One big disadvantage I see for the One is that he hoodwinked so many people, that most really don't know about his associations, they were just clamoring for change and that's how they voted.

Bill had some nasty shit in his closet when he started out as pres, but nothing like this guy. That's going to be something that the O has to deal with, and dealing with that just saps energy from everything else.

And I agree with you on Carter, he was a nuclear engineer in the Navy, and the governor of Georgia, but he was a decent guy. He turned into a sucky ex-president, however.

268 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:02:45pm

re: #241 Gordan the Fisherman

I just came from Academy Sports in north Dallas. I swear they had four people behind the counter in the gun section and all four had at least three people waiting to buy guns/ammo. No joke. I had to wait 20 minutes just to get a box of .45 auto. The cashier in the front said it had been like that all day.

CHANGE!

You guys are great! Now Obama is going to be able to create more (government) jobs - people hired to collect our guns.

269 tappin52  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:04:10pm

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is going to need to read a manual--maybe two or three--to figure out how to run things.

NO, no. The arrogant ones know how to run things. They don't need to read the manual. At least not until things are so screwed up that they then need the info.

270 doppelganglander  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:04:12pm

re: #252 imploder

Tu no debes burlarte de mi, pero tu sabes el idoma con esta clave...

Espanol? Sorry, can't do the tilde. I admit I needed a little Babelfish to read that, even though we were stationed in Spain (Rota) for 3 years.

271 ArmyWife  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:04:34pm

re: #261 Cognito

Don't hold your breath. The victim status is so ingrained, I think the exact opposite will occur. I predict Affirmative Action on steroids, because the President should understand how oppressed this group is and must DO SOMETHING to give back.

272 tappin52  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:07:39pm

re: #268 littleoldlady

You guys are great! Now Obama is going to be able to create more (government) jobs - people hired to collect our guns.

That's what the civilian security force is for.

273 erisldysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:08:03pm

Sean Hannity said at about 4:30 today:

"America has progressed because it elected a President based on, as MLK said, the content of his character as opposed to the color of his skin."

Ummm... the content of his character?

There were two groups of people in the electorate who voted for Obama:

1. Those who really didn't know Mr. Obama's true character due to not hearing about about any of the issues,.
2. Those who heard about the issues but rationalized them away.
3. Those who were suspicious of his character as possibly having ... er... deficiencies, but didn't care.

What was the motivation of these groups to vote for him? Was it the content of his character, or ... something else?

274 Wookieelips  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:09:47pm

re: #40 Ojoe

I don't see how he can even touch that civilian force idea in office.

That was political hyperbole IMHO.

Let's hope so.
Best case scenario: He bumbles happily through the next four years and doesn't deliver on a single crazy promise or declaration he made during the election.

Here's hoping!

275 Seattle Rep  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:10:08pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

that's right! Buy now, no payments until 2012! hahaha!

276 bbuddha  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:10:36pm

re: #268 littleoldlady
You guys are great! Now Obama is going to be able to create more (government) jobs - people hired to collect our guns.

In the words of Charlton Heston "from my cold dead hands" The right to gun ownership is the foundation of our freedoms

277 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:11:24pm

When all the hyena's in The Lion King realized Uncle Scar wasn't really their buddy, they turned on him in a second. And that sort of thing is always around the corner for a Democratic leader seeing as their Party is essentially a coalition of special interests many of which have missions completely counter to a different special interest in the coalition.

Gays and Southern Baptists.
Industrial factory workers and Environmentalists.
Tort Lawyers and Universal Health Care advocates.
Teachers unions and urban parents who prefer Charter schools or vouchers. Gun-control advocates and those in the Party who want to keep their guns.
Globalists and Anarchists.
I could go on.

The Dems hold the coalition together by focusing all their collective hate at a target like GWB or whoever else is convenient at the time. Without a target worthy of their hate and vile they just might turn inward.

278 erisldysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #273 erisldysnomia

Sean Hannity said at about 4:30 today:

"America has progressed because it elected a President based on, as MLK said, the content of his character as opposed to the color of his skin."

Ummm... the content of his character?

There were two three groups of people in the electorate who voted for Obama:

1. Those who really didn't know Mr. Obama's true character due to not hearing about about any of the issues,.
2. Those who heard about the issues but rationalized them away.
3. Those who were suspicious of his character as possibly having ... er... deficiencies, but didn't care.

What was the motivation of these groups to vote for him? Was it the content of his character, or ... something else?

Sorry, I did a Biden Biden on the original post.

279 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:15:22pm

This election was more about George W. Bush than either of the candidates. Take that to the bank.

280 splendid confusion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:15:30pm

I pulled out one of my old college books today. The summer of 1991 was my "Revolutionary Summer." I took two summer history courses: Russian Revolution and French Revolution. Fun, I know.

Anyway, this book called The First Socialist Society by Geoffrey Hosking has lots of insights as I briefly flipped through it today. Here are two which really struck me.

The assimilation and public discussion of uncomfortable facts, which is what enables people in most societies to form opinions about political issues, became impossible. In their absence most people no longer knew quite what they thought, and fell back on cynicism and acceptance, or lived in the ambivalence and confusion which George Orwell aptly dubbed "doublethink." p. 219

From the introduction:
"The philosophers have only explained the world; the point is to change it." This famous dictum of Marx invites us to judge his doctrine by its practical consequences, in other words by examining the kind of society which has resulted from its application. Yet, paradoxically, many Marxists themselves will deny the validity of such a judgement. They will dismiss the example of Soviet society as an unfortunate aberration, the outcome of a historical accident, by which the first socialist revolution took place in a country unsuited to socialism, in backward autocratic Russia.


Sooo...let's keep trying until we find a better host country?
/sarc

281 tappin52  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:15:34pm

re: #277 Mich-again

That won't happen until the media personally feel the pinch of Obama's promise to push them out of their comfort zone. Personal discomfort is a great motivation.

282 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:15:47pm

re: #89 IslandLibertarian

Words are flying out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Lennon-McCartney

Well, you're right of course, it's all illusion, and this preoccupation with change, and striving, is futile. But really, is Obama a Hegelian, preoccupied with the dialectic, or is he the dreamer, who creates the universe with a thought?

If we get llamas on the white house lawn, that will be a clue.

283 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #279 Mich-again

This election was more about George W. Bush than either of the candidates. Take that to the bank.

That and $700,000,000,000 will get me a toaster.

284 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:20:40pm

We'll take that apology now from the leftists who spewed hatred, lies and bullshit for 8 years claiming that Bush was a dictator who would suspend free elections and rule for life.

285 mahatma coat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:21:21pm

re: #282 itellu3times

A hegalian who creates hell with a "system"

286 Miggie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:22:10pm

SAVE YOURSELVES! (Do what I'm doing. It might work.)

I, for one, welcome our new Marxist Leader. I am turning in all my
radios in advance of the ban on Talk Radio. We should have one
newspaper, run by the State. It will not be necessary to send me to Re-
Education Camp.

I understand now that Capitalism is based on GREED and that some of
the workers are unfairly paid more than others. It is doomed to
failure and Socialism will usher in a Paradise on Earth where everyone
is equal and will contribute according his ability and take according
to his needs.

On domestic issues, I look forward to the reversal of the Clinton
Welfare Reforms and the re-institution of welfare without any annoying
questions. Welcome back to Affirmative Action, Set Aside Contracts,
and abortions on demand. Above all else, we must never forget that we
are eternally guilty for horrible mistreatment of Native Indians 200
years ago; we were a nation of slave owners 160 years ago; and bombed
Hiroshima and interned the Japanese only 60 years ago. We should make
full repatriations forthwith. There is no need for me to be re-
educated.

On foreign affairs, I think that world peace will be ushered in as
soon as we fix the Israel problem. I completely agree with our Leader
that "Nobody has suffered more than the poor Palestinians" and the
Apartheid State of Israel should dismantle its borders and make
whatever other concessions are necessary. This country will now be
loved by the formerly hostile countries because we have elected a
black man. We should match Israel's new appreciation of what is
required for true peace and open our own borders to all comers. We
should respect the newcomers' native languages, customs, and religious
laws for the sake of diversity.

I really don't want to go to Re-Education Camp and hope everyone will
testify to my change of heart at my hearing. (There is a female member in my immediate family that doesn't share my transformation. I'd be willing to give up her whereabouts, if it will help my case.)

Thanks,
P.S Question, if I may dare to inquire, can I stop paying my mortgage now or do I have to wait until January?

287 Grandma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:23:35pm

Inserting another non-profound question. Many of the folks in Kenya were celebrating the election of Obama today. Maybe this is a stupid question, but if Kenya was such a great place, and Obama is held in such high esteem there, how come it is that Obama’s half-aunt tried to obtain asylum and status here (and was denied) from that country to the U.S.? Just wondering.

288 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:26:34pm

re: #262 brickthruplateglasswindow

Except of course for the 50 million or so racists who voted for McCain. Those ones will have to be dealt with.

289 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:28:42pm

re: #288 Ezekiel2517

Except of course for the 50 million or so racists who voted for McCain. Those ones will have to be dealt with.

That was supposed to be a reply to Cognito's comment #261, don't know how that happened.

290 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:28:49pm

re: #268 littleoldlady

You guys are great! Now Obama is going to be able to create more (government) jobs - people hired to collect our guns.

Those might be tough positions to keep filled, I think.

291 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:29:37pm

re: #290 brickthruplateglasswindow

Those might be tough positions to keep filled, I think.

Funeral homes may be the business of the future.

292 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:36:18pm

re: #291 littleoldlady

Funeral homes may be the business of the future.

People are always dying to get in so you may have a point.

293 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:37:08pm

re: #279 Mich-again

This election was more about George W. Bush than either of the candidates. Take that to the bank.

Just as the next 4 years will be. Anything that Obama cannot accomplish will be blamed on "the prior administration" and "the mess he was left". I give it 2 months before he says something along the lines of "I cannot fulfill all of my promises because, until I got into the WH, I had no real concept of just how badly things have been mismanaged and just what a mess we're in, due to the mistakes of the Bush white house and the Republican leadership."

Bi-partisanship!

294 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:37:18pm
295 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:40:02pm

re: #261 Cognito

And I believe the Left will continue to play the race card.
O-___ did.

296 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:42:04pm

re: #294 ploome hineni

plooomie! :-)

I'm okay. You?

297 mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:45:50pm

re: #293 Lorenska

Eggs-actly. No one can escape being the Dems' focal point of hate until a worthy replacement is found. I fully expect GWB to continue to be blamed for everything for at least the next four years. And he'll stay on as a regular on SNL

Ridicule of the One will not be taken lightly. And no tough questions for Joe Biden either. Never know when he'll pop off and take away the credentials.

298 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:47:32pm

re: #229 bcgirl

It was a pleasure meeting you and canvassing with you on Sunday afternoon.

I was sorry to see that Washoe County (where Reno is located) turned from red to blue, along with the state of Nevada as a whole.

299 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:47:52pm

re: #282 itellu3times

If we get llamas on the white house lawn, that will be a clue.

And if we get dome-cap 'shrooms growing out of the LLama-pies, well there's the bonus. Rainbows and happy-trails for all.

300 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:48:00pm

re: #295 IslandLibertarian

And I believe the Left will continue to play the race card.
O-___ did.

Absolutely - as I said before, criticism will become racism and debate will become hate. Any disagreement - just like any announcement from someone that they weren't voting for him - will immediately be chalked up to racism and bigotry, or at the very least, to holding him to a higher standard than other pres's have been. He is SO inexperienced and will make SO many mistakes, and no one will be allowed to say a word, cause it'll be considered "divisive." If I live to be 100 and never hear that word again, it'd be too soon - but get used to it becoming the word of the next 4 years.

301 Atweber  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:48:26pm

FILLIBUSTER--4 MORE YEARS

302 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:51:00pm

re: #297 mich-again

Eggs-actly. No one can escape being the Dems' focal point of hate until a worthy replacement is found. I fully expect GWB to continue to be blamed for everything for at least the next four years. And he'll stay on as a regular on SNL

Ridicule of the One will not be taken lightly. And no tough questions for Joe Biden either. Never know when he'll pop off and take away the credentials.

Yeah, they made such a big deal of Palin being 'handled' during the campaign, but Biden will have to be kept on a leash for the whole term, lest he slip and say something honest about the administration. And as I said above, any criticism of the WH, no matter how light or constructive, will be shot down as racist - or by Biden, unpatriotic.

As for a target, you're so right - and I'm afraid McCain will get some, too, no matter how completely classy he was last night and how much help and support he's offered Obama (who will desperately need it). He'll take some hits no matter what he does, he's already been accused of stuff he never did (using the race card, going negative, etc).

303 Florida Lady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 4:53:03pm

Well, my business partner & I had a big sit-down today to strategize how to prepare for the 0 and his gang of thieves
. Here's our plan:

1. No new hiring for the foreseeable future
2. Cut all expenses to the bone
3. Get as much income as we can into this year & accrue as much as we possbily can into our 401k plans & those of our employees
4. No raises to our staff next year.
5. Conserve as much cash as possible
6. Letter out to clients advising them to do some serious year-end tax planning.
7. Hunker down & wait for the big tax hit sure to come the way of our small business.

Luckily our firm has 6 months of cash reserves & no debt.

My husband & I have also discussed what we are doing personally:

1. Paying off our home equity line before the end of the year
2. Purchasing guns for each of us & lots of ammunition
3. Taking shooting lessons
4. Getting our concealed carry permits
5. Stocking up on ammunition each week
6. Buy stock in satellite radio (real cheap right now!) in case the Fairness Doctrine gets passed and Rush et al have to get off the public airwaves.

Whew!

By the way, does anyone have any recommendations for what kind of handgun I should buy?

304 LGoPs  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:07:28pm

re: #157 Lorenska

Well, that's certainly true - all they'll figure out is that FINALLY, those evil rich people are getting theirs, about time. Never mind that those evil people will just take their money - and oh yeah, their jobs and support for America - someplace else. Some people just don't get it - they're so jealous of the guy with the ball that they don't realize that punishing that guy means he takes his ball and goes home - then no one gets to play. It'll take some time to trickle down, but eventually, enough people will be affected that I have to assume the majority will start to get it.


My sense tells me a lot of them will get violent before they start getting it...

305 Gordan the Fisherman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:09:27pm
By the way, does anyone have any recommendations for what kind of handgun I should buy?

The largest caliber you can handle.

306 Lorenska  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:15:12pm

re: #304 LGoPs

My sense tells me a lot of them will get violent before they start getting it...

God I hope you're wrong...but suspect you're right. It'll be like the civil rights days - which I understand was a battle for basic rights that were finally given as they should have been - but now a lot of people have decided that government support is a basic right, and when it doesn't come, they will be pissed with a capital P. Anyone who voted based on "I won't have to put gas in my car anymore" is going to be mighty pissed when that doesn't come to pass - and the scary thing is, Obama would give those people what they wanted if he could. He's said he thinks the civil rights era didn't go far enough when it came to wealth redistribution, and he's said he thinks the constitution doesn't spell out enough what the govt is supposed to do FOR the people and he's come out in favor of slavery reparations...so any place where he isn't thwarted, he will try his damndest to take care of the downtrodden who are being oppressed by the rest of us. Which means when the masses get pissed and violent, it won't be at him, it'll be at the rest of us who blocked his efforts. Very scary thoughts.

307 JerseyDave  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:17:43pm

Well, I think of the parallels to history here:

Antisemitic connections, a media that airbrushes the candidate and attacks any percieved critic, assisted by government operatives, a circular logo that gets worn on clothes... the promise to people who are depressed that he will solve all problems and make everything happy for everyone, if only he is given the power with no questions of who he is or why he wants it or what he will do or how he will do it.

This sort of thing has been seen before, but not here, at least not in recent history. It's wierd when you put it together.

If Obama turns out to be a real problem I wonder how far the media will ride it, wil they cover for it to cover themselves and their own role in getting him over with people? Who knows? For his supporters, I wonder too. Especially the young ones, this is their "first love" politically speaking.

308 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:28:14pm

re: #225 Karridine

Concur yr analysis.

Now, WHAT DO WE DO?

Somehow we need to get the word out. Chuck Schumer is a fascist.

309 Blind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:46:21pm

So yeah, I just got home from work... where I updated my info with payroll to 'married' and 9 dependents - in preparation for the middle finger I'll reply with every April 15th for the next 4 years. As a Virginia resident, I extend my humble apologies... we tried our best, to no avail ; ;

310 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:47:43pm

I don't know if anyone saw this, but Carl Cameron was just on O'Reilly and said that the McCain sources are completely blaming Palin for the loss. Not only that, but Cameron revealed what the "sources" were saying about her. Nasty, nasty stuff.

If half of this is true, then John McCain is dead to me.

* And that's a big "if."

311 Steve Rogers  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:50:37pm

re: #129 FrogMarch
couple of questions: did you write that? May I use it to spam my friends?

Yes, I wrote it. If you feel the same, then you are more than welcome to pass it along or post it wherever you like - no credit is necessary. We freedom-loving people need to make sure we are civil and that the undecided voters of the next election see us that way. The media will downplay the vitriolic rants and violent acts of the loony left. Non-liberals won't enjoy the same courtesy from the media. Anything we say or do will be blown out of context and repeated ad nauseum just to help Obama and the Democrats.

Plus, it is just the right thing to do.

312 Steve Rogers  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:52:23pm

re: #163 CyanSnowHawk

That's an awfully high water mark after so few posts. I expect great things from you lizard.

I'll try my best. It's better to keep one's head clear in times like these. Too much anger will not serve a purpose other than to make Obama look good by comparison.

313 AussieMarcus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 5:54:16pm

Just interested to know whether anyone here subscribes to the theory that - given the likelihood of more economic trouble in the next few years- this might have been a good one to lose?

314 AussieMarcus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:01:11pm

re: #310 Wyatt Earp

Actually, I think having all the party insiders, Beltway blowhards and media/political elite going after her will probably be a good thing for Palin in the long run. Especially if government, Congress and the media continue to slide in popularity over the next four years...

315 Blind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:05:19pm

This particular reply seemed relevant... I got this on a long thread from work today. I just moved to a new position with these guys, and I wasn't sure to expect. Copy / Paste verbatim;

First time in 44 years. A total embarrassment! Hopefully nothing will be done that can’t later be undone. I like the words of Captain John Smith, leader of the first successful colony in the new world: “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” This very successful philosophy had been derived from analyzing the root cause of the many prior colony failures. Turns out, many high fluting royalty and such were laying around all day and eating all the food while the subordinates did all the work. At the end of the day there wasn’t enough to go around and eventually they all starved. Now think of the entitlement attitude that so many people have today, and how we have to “bail out” some group every other week. Seems like we’ve been down this road once before and know where it leads.

Keep your powder dry……

Hello, new friend.

316 at night  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:05:30pm

My thoughts for today : ...

317 calcajun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:07:59pm

re: #313 AussieMarcus

Just interested to know whether anyone here subscribes to the theory that - given the likelihood of more economic trouble in the next few years- this might have been a good one to lose?

Nope. It's never a good thing to be shunted off into the political wilderness.

From a purely partisan viewpoint, I want the Dems to fall on their face. However, it's something we as a country can ill-afford. Our enemies abroad are sharpening the knives as we speak for our president-elect.

What we conservatives need to do is fall back and reorganize and decide where we go from here.

318 calcajun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:15:30pm

re: #310 Wyatt Earp

I don't know if anyone saw this, but Carl Cameron was just on O'Reilly and said that the McCain sources are completely blaming Palin for the loss. Not only that, but Cameron revealed what the "sources" were saying about her. Nasty, nasty stuff.

If half of this is true, then John McCain is dead to me.

* And that's a big "if."

I find this hard to believe, let alone accept. These would be the same people that picked her, gagged her for two weeks, fed her to Gibson and Couric and then decided to let her be her own person on the trail? This is nothing less than blame-shifting. McCain has no one to blame for himself.

One thing that was mentioned on Charles' "social conservative" thread is worthy of mention here; McCain is exactly why there is no room for a "personality" leader in the GOP--now or ever. McCain ran from his heart, bey he had no real plan. He never, not that I noticed, ever said what the details of his economic or social plan would have been. He was, in my assessment, more a personality than a politician. He never enunciated any social or political principles. Given that he was not a true conservative, it's not hard to see why.

319 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:34:24pm

re: #318 calcajun

Agreed. But I'm still pissed off at that story. Hot Air has the video of Cameron, and when I watch it, I get more and more angry. Sarah Palin was not the reason McCain lost this election!

Just my $0.02

320 Dasher  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:47pm

re: #318 calcajun

McCain ran from his heart, bey he had no real plan. He never, not that I noticed, ever said what the details of his economic or social plan would have been. He was, in my assessment, more a personality than a politician. He never enunciated any social or political principles. Given that he was not a true conservative, it's not hard to see why.

From what I could tell McCain's economic plan was: "It is a bad time to raise taxes", and "Make health insurance not deductible for companies, but deductible (or a credit) for individuals." So it would be portable. But he didn't explain it well, I think because he didn't really understand the plan someone gave to him.

321 Dasher  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:57pm

re: #319 Wyatt Earp

Agreed. But I'm still pissed off at that story. Hot Air has the video of Cameron, and when I watch it, I get more and more angry. Sarah Palin was not the reason McCain lost this election!

Just my $0.02

That really ticked me off too. I turned the TV off, on that. Carl Cameron was passing on gossip as fact.

322 QueenOfCups  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:09:58pm

So, here’s what I’m thinking about: I’d like to get started on a grassroots movement first to just stay on top of the crazy legislation coming our way, then to vote the bums out in 2010.

I think if we each just start gathering the names of people in our friends and family willing to call and write letters when we need to defeat certain offensive legislation, then energize them to grow the tree, within two years, we can really make a difference.

Let's organize NOW. I'd like to help coordinate this.

If you are interested you can email me: queen0fcups AT sbcglobal DOT net

323 Cutty Sark  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 10:04:03am

Gee ya think we can first try and figure our way out of this financial mess , before the pie throwing contest resumes ?


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