McCain Staffers Savaging Sarah Palin

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Politics • Wed Nov 5, 2008 at 6:41 pm PST • Views: 801

I don’t know what to say about this, except … ugh.

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1 RTLM  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:43:44pm

/It just keeps getting better.

2 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:44:09pm

Bastards.

3 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:44:15pm

McCain was lucky to have Sarah by his side. We are unfortunate to not have her as our VP.

4 abolitionist  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:44:25pm

There are 57 ways to put the shoe on the other foot.

5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:45:28pm

I guess since Obama's bus is no longer needed the McCain campaign "borrowed" it.

6 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:45:54pm

If John was the man he says he is he'd stop it

7 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:45:57pm

I heard this predicted on Fox a couple weeks ago. Who better to make it come true.

8 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:46:50pm

Good evening, Lizards.
I'm not going to watch the clip because I don't want to be upset before bed.
However, conservatives/Republicans will never be elected while we point fingers and break ranks. The Democrats have us beat at that.

9 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:16pm

asshats

10 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:18pm

You do understand this is hearsay evidence from a network that now must ingratiate itself to the Obama Administration for access. Who are the "staffers?" Why not interview them directly?


TFK thinks Campaign Carl is a weasel. I agree.

11 Aviator  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:23pm

The shit talk express.

12 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:37pm

I'm feeling depressed. I'll go indulge my geeky side.

L8r all.

13 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:45pm
14 Gordon Marock  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:45pm

As Queensryche so masterfully put it in Operation Mindcrime, I say "Sweet dreams . . . you bastard"

15 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:47:59pm

She didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country?

And then O'Reilly's response is "she could be tutored"?

There are at least two or three things wrong here, but I'm not sure which ones they are just yet.

16 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:48:02pm

Fox is turning into a pigsty

17 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:48:03pm

Fair and balanced my ass.

18 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:48:34pm

re: #9 jetprop

asshats

Who are asshats?

19 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:48:50pm

Goddess, could you pop back, please, and read my post at #385, last thread? Thanks

20 JennSierra  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:48:57pm

It sounds like there are a bunch of hateful, spiteful, jealous staffers, to me.

21 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:49:44pm

re: #15 Last Mohican

She didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country?

And then O'Reilly's response is "she could be tutored"?

There are at least two or three things wrong here, but I'm not sure which ones they are just yet.

SOunds like pure horseshit to me

22 jetprop  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:49:52pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

Who are asshats?

Sorry, McCain staffers/FNC

23 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:49:53pm

Dear Mr Obama,

Can you please recall our troops from Iraq ASAP so we can have some steel spined take-no-crap MEN and WOMEN of integrity to replace the numerous linguini spined morons we have now?

24 Blastforth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:49:53pm

gossip, not news

25 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:49:55pm

re: #17 Alouette

They've jumped the shark as well.

26 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:31pm

re: #23 ErislDysnomia

Dear Mr Obama,

Can you please recall our troops from Iraq ASAP so we can have some steel spined take-no-crap MEN and WOMEN of integrity to run for office to replace the numerous linguini spined morons we have now?

Forgot to add "run for office"

27 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:37pm

McCain? Staffers? What are these things of which you speak?

28 P. Aaron  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:40pm

I could savage McCain's activities over the years in the name of "compromise".

Palin has something that many are either in awe of, and love her for it, others want her destroyed. Some are Republicans who don't might the compromises that are exchanged for dinner party invitations.

29 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:44pm

re: #16 SpartanWoman

Fox is turning into a pigsty

Wait a second. If the MSM had inside information on Biden, you would all be screaming if you found out that they had sat on that info.

This is not anyones fault but the McCain campaign. If Palin was a bad choice, or there were internal problems, then it was their fault.

Let's not start acting like the Dems and blaming the messenger.

30 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:52pm

re: #15 Last Mohican

She didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country?

And then O'Reilly's response is "she could be tutored"?

There are at least two or three things wrong here, but I'm not sure which ones they are just yet.

Shit, Obama said there are 57 states. Confusing Africa for a country rather than a continent is small potatoes.
/

31 Nutmeg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:50:58pm

I know what to say about it...

I want the names of those who are doing the leaking, or I want Fox to retract the entire thing and apologize. We couldn't get jack out of the media when it came to Obama's "interesting" friends and activities, and I, for one, and sick of the double standards.

32 Griffon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:51:34pm

They took away her control.

33 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:51:54pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Wait a second. If the MSM had inside information on Biden, you would all be screaming if you found out that they had sat on that info.

This is not anyones fault but the McCain campaign. If Palin was a bad choice, or there were internal problems, then it was their fault.

Let's not start acting like the Dems and blaming the messenger.

I doubt the veracity of the info. It is impossible that she believed Africa was a country not a continent

34 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:05pm

I find the civics aspects, if they are true, to be highly disturbing.

O'Reilly makes the argument that, "She can be tutored... Here's the world map, here's our interactions."

I find that disheartening. Angering, even.

35 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:21pm

re: #33 SpartanWoman

I doubt the veracity of the info. It is impossible that she believed Africa was a country not a continent

Agreed. Not credible.

36 starfox5253  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:26pm

This makes me ill... She's the best thing the GOP has going for it right now, and she's the reason it wasn't a TOTAL blowout... you'd think they'd show a little respect. Jerks.

37 baldrick  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:36pm

Just McCain's folks being themselves, I'm sure they blame everyone else for their loss. I guess it's too much too hope that McCain slinks off never to be heard from again...

38 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:39pm

re: #21 SpartanWoman

re: #15 Last Mohican

She didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country?

And then O'Reilly's response is "she could be tutored"?

There are at least two or three things wrong here, but I'm not sure which ones they are just yet.

SOunds like pure horseshit to me

Sounds like that to me, too.

Staffers were in tears at some point so they're getting their payback.

What a bunch of jerks.

39 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:46pm

re: #31 Nutmeg

I know what to say about it...

I want the names of those who are doing the leaking, or I want Fox to retract the entire thing and apologize. We couldn't get jack out of the media when it came to Obama's "interesting" friends and activities, and I, for one, and sick of the double standards.

No, this is not double standards. Fox reported more than anyone on Obama's interesting friends and activities. And now they have some info on some internal problems with McCains staff and the campaign. Sounds fair and balanced to me.

40 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:56pm

How Todd Palin has not cold-cocked some people is beyong me.

41 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:59pm

As for McCain "staffers", they took better care of Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers than they did of Palin

42 silentsid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:52:59pm

McCain had his shot and failed. Palin is the future of conservatism. It would be wise for his camp to treat her with the respect she deserves. If it wasn't for her, Obama's win would have been much greater.

43 favorednation  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:03pm

greetings to the proletariat!

44 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:15pm

Ah, the blame game. That'll help the party find some direction.

Was she also reponsible for the McCain organization's problems during the primaries?

Look, if she's really not fit for national office, let the truth come out, but there's a lot of blame to go around, IMHO.

45 P. Aaron  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:16pm

Bill Orielly is, like a lot of news commentators, of the most ill-informed.

46 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:22pm

Sarah Palin was nothing but an asset to the McCain campaign. Lets be real here people, this campaign was going nowhere from the start.

47 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:22pm

What nonsense. Rumor and innuendo.
Where's the Obama tape? No follow-up there?

48 vxbush  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:24pm

I try to play the video, but it only plays about 2 seconds with no video and then it freezes. The video continues to download, but nothing happens.

49 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:27pm

That is NOT pretty. And so unnecessary.

50 Grandpa Mark  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:32pm

It didn't take John long to return to form.

51 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:40pm

I don't believe this crap. Did you see the giddy smirk on that weasel Carl Cameron's face at the beginning of the segment?

52 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:51pm

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

53 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:53:59pm

re: #34 Cognito

I find the civics aspects, if they are true, to be highly disturbing.

O'Reilly makes the argument that, "She can be tutored... Here's the world map, here's our interactions."

I find that disheartening. Angering, even.

This comes from staffers who were in tears.

Obviously, they were overwrought and now they're ticked off.

It's baloney.

54 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:54:29pm

re: #47 FightingBack

What nonsense. Rumor and innuendo.
Where's the Obama tape? No follow-up there?

Sorry, where's the Pres-elect Obama tape?

55 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:54:32pm

re: #50 Grandpa Mark

It didn't take John long to return to form.

Yep, savaging conservatives and sucking Chris Matthews mantitties

56 So?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:07pm

Well, she'll always be welcome on SNL.

57 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:14pm

re: #19 A Kiwi Infidel

Goddess, could you pop back, please, and read my post at #385, last thread? Thanks

{A Kiwi Infidel}
You are a kind and compassionate man--please do not blame yourself for being a "jerk." Any pain you caused was obviously unintended and simply the result of a typcial kind of small talk. Your idea of a sympathy goft speaks volumes for you.
I've added this family to the Prayer List, but is her name "Natash" or "Natasha"?

58 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:17pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Who says any of this is true?

59 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:23pm

Civil war breaking out in (R) party. The moderate blue bloods vs. the Reagan conservatives.

If we have he hope of the Senate (R)s blocking any of O's and the (D)s agenda, this GODDAMN SHIT BETTER STOP NOW!

This fratricidal bullshit will insure the (D)'s gain seats in '10, retain the WH in '12 and we run a Dole/McCain ticket in '16, losing to a even more leftist.

60 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:26pm

10 to 1 all of the "McCain staffers" who provided this information have e-mail addresses that end in "@huffingtonpost.com" or "@dailykos.org".

61 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

And you believe these "revelations"...um the gov of Alaska does not know what Canada is?

62 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:37pm

re: #40 MandyManners

How Todd Palin has not cold-cocked some people is beyong me.

STAFFER: Mr. Olbermann, there is a gentleman here to see you. His name is Todd Palin and he does not look happy.

STAFFER: I told him you were busy, he won't go away until he has seen you.

STAFFER: No, Mr. Olbermann, I don't have any clean underwear out here for you.

63 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:48pm

If McCain is a man he'll put a stop to this shit ASAP, and run those sons of bitches out on a rough cut rail. Unforgivable backbiters.

64 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:50pm

re: #53 Adina in Judea

This comes from staffers who were in tears.

Obviously, they were overwrought and now they're ticked off.

It's baloney.

I'm not sure about that. I don't believe Fox would move ahead with such inflammatory material if they didn't have it down cold, on tape and digitized.

I don't care that she yelled at her staffers. They need to suck that up and move on to their next jobs.

But if Sarah Palin did not know South Africa was a country, I want to know.

65 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:55:57pm

I think McCain staffers are bitter she stole the thunder.

66 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:56:16pm

re: #57 goddessoftheclassroom

{A Kiwi Infidel}
You are a kind and compassionate man--please do not blame yourself for being a "jerk." Any pain you caused was obviously unintended and simply the result of a typcial kind of small talk. Your idea of a sympathy goft speaks volumes for you.
I've added this family to the Prayer List, but is her name "Natash" or "Natasha"?

Yes, sorry, that is correct.

67 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:56:17pm

re: #45 P. Aaron

Bill Orielly is, like a lot of news commentators, of the most ill-informed.

Why are we dumping on Fox? Because you don't like the tone and tenor of the information. O'Rielly was not acting like he accepted this hook, line and sinker.

But come on, if you believe that Fox is fair and balanced, then you would expect stories from both sides of the spectrum.

Boy, hypocrites abound.

68 sbvft contributor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:56:19pm

jerks. picking on a girl. classless.

69 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:56:51pm

re: #62 Alouette

STAFFER: Mr. Olbermann, there is a gentleman here to see you. His name is Todd Palin and he does not look happy.

STAFFER: I told him you were busy, he won't go away until he has seen you.

STAFFER: No, Mr. Olbermann, I don't have any clean underwear out here for you.

Mr. Olbermann, why are you in a fetal position under your desk, sucking your thumb?

70 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:56:53pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

The guy who is going to be President thinks there are 60 states in the U.S.

He went to 57 and was about to go to state #58 (but he wasn't allowed to go to Alaska or Hawaii, i.e., states #59 and 60.)

He got away with this but a woman who crying staffers CLAIM said the things you mentioned is trashed.

What a pile of crap.

71 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:10pm

F*ck them! They were lucky to have Sarah or McCain's candidacy would have been a BHO blowout.

It would behoove the RNC to incorporate Sarah Palin into the future of the party and to national position. But then, I'm just a silly woman and what do I know?

72 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:13pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Wrong. Look at the giddyness of Carl Cameron over this story. He seems awfully over informed about a he said/she said issue. The campaign is over. Let the defeated party have a day of peace. Pigsty.

Does anyone actually believe that Sarah Palin did not know that Africa was a continent? Please.

73 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:15pm

What about Joe Biden? He is the gaffe machine dumb ass. and he's also VP elect.

Can't Palin go back to Alaska in peace?

74 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:22pm

re: #62 Alouette

STAFFER: Mr. Olbermann, there is a gentleman here to see you. His name is Todd Palin and he does not look happy.

STAFFER: I told him you were busy, he won't go away until he has seen you.

STAFFER: No, Mr. Olbermann, I don't have any clean underwear out here for you.

Mr. Olbermann, why are you on that window ledge?

75 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:32pm

re: #69 MandyManners

Mr. Olbermann, why are you in a fetal position under your desk, sucking your thumb?

Because I can't reach my...

76 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:32pm

re: #68 sbvft contributor

jerks. picking on a girl. classless.

That's sexist.

If she's going to take a major role in the party, I want to know what's up with her. The good and the bad. (But not the fluffy gossip that Fox is mixing in.)

77 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:37pm

re: #64 Cognito

I'm not sure about that. I don't believe Fox would move ahead with such inflammatory material if they didn't have it down cold, on tape and digitized.

I don't care that she yelled at her staffers. They need to suck that up and move on to their next jobs.

But if Sarah Palin did not know South Africa was a country, I want to know.

Cog, stop this. There is no way you and I should be agreeing on a topic. Stop, stop, stop...

78 TXNavy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:37pm

It's just some failed campaign staffers trying to present their bonafides so they can play "Bob Beckel" in the LSM.

79 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:45pm

Showbiz Tonight?

80 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:57:51pm

Gave up on FOX quite a bit back. They were too shallow to watch. Even if they sometimes ticked off the far left, they were still not worth watching. I think someone is trying to halt her career. Based on her history, there isn't a snowballs' chance in hell, that the effort to halt her will be successful.

81 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:03pm

re: #58 FightingBack

Who says any of this is true?

It's not Sat Night Live, it's not MSNBC, it's not CNN. It's FOX reporting this.

I believe it.

I gather those who don't believe this are the same people who didn't believe the polls. I saw a lot of that here.

Lets pretend it's true. Now what do you say?

82 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:03pm

The best way to beat an opponent is to never allow him in the ring.
Palin is the Zero's nightmare: she STOLE the cameras, the spotlight, you name it.
He is fluff, she is substance.
Fox news is in bed with the rest of the MSM, knowing that if it wants access to the new president, certain ppl need to go under the bus.
Palin is who they demanded, FOX coughed her right up, like a hairball.

83 caboose  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:04pm

It's just Carl, having a post-election hissy fit since Trig barfed all over him during the election.

All the news channels, INCLUDING FOX, can go commit an un-natural act with themselves and an industrial bench grinder. I've had it with all of them. They are the enemy. O'Reilly is a wimpy, stale slice of dog-squeeze and Hogwasher & Skeletor can kiss my fat white conservative @ss. I am DONE with them.

84 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:20pm

This sounds like a "Palin is so stupid..." joke contest

85 elkafir  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:20pm

After listening to this blame it on Palin gossip crap coming from the McCain people I am starting to be glad McCain lost.

Palin / Jindal 2012

86 HDrepub  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:30pm

re: #33 SpartanWoman

I doubt the veracity of the info. It is impossible that she believed Africa was a country not a continent

Trashing her now will pay dividends later, see where this is going? The media have sowed doubt about her from day one, because they fear her, and must keep the cheap shit going, lest she rise from the ashes and smite them. The elitist Republicans did a lot of damage to McCain and need to purged. Never mind McCain did a lot of damage himself too.

87 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:32pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

Again, only an imbecile would believe this is true.

88 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:42pm

re: #64 Cognito

I'm not sure about that. I don't believe Fox would move ahead with such inflammatory material if they didn't have it down cold, on tape and digitized.

I don't care that she yelled at her staffers. They need to suck that up and move on to their next jobs.

But if Sarah Palin did not know South Africa was a country, I want to know.

I've "yelled" at my staff on occasion. It was a lapse of leadership on my part, but G*dammit - some of them friggin' deserved a good tongue lashing.

89 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:58:46pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

I don't believe these accusations. Not for a minute.

90 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:06pm

We will never truly find out what exactly went on behind closed doors in the McCain campaign regarding Palin and top McCain staffers.

91 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:08pm

re: #21 SpartanWoman

SOunds like pure horseshit to me

Yeah, I'm getting that impression too.

1. She is so stupid that she thought Africa was a country.

2. She was so stupid that she was unprepared to expound spontaneously on the notion of American Exceptionalism, its philosophical roots, and

3. She was "a bit of a shopaholic," and maybe she sometimes bought more clothes than she needed. Although this was usually because she needed to have several sizes bought because there wasn't time to try stuff on. Still, though.

I'm not the biggest Palin fan in the room, and I'm more than willing to believe that she was problematic for the ticket if someone's got a story to tell. But these are just not items that collectively paint a coherent picture of a candidate who was a drag on the ticket.

92 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:18pm

re: #87 ErislDysnomia

Again, only an imbecile would believe this is true.

My point exactly

93 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:22pm

re: #72 daledog

Wrong. Look at the giddyness of Carl Cameron over this story. He seems awfully over informed about a he said/she said issue. The campaign is over. Let the defeated party have a day of peace. Pigsty.

Does anyone actually believe that Sarah Palin did not know that Africa was a continent? Please.

Not I. The Kid knew about the continents when he was four.

94 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:24pm

I hope Palin, no longer needing to hold back, really goes after these jokesters.

95 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:30pm

Smears within smears... I refuse.

96 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:31pm

John McCain lost because he and his staffers ran a fucking inept campaign, simple as that.

Man up, you twerps.

97 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:39pm

re: #81 Opinionated

It's not Sat Night Live, it's not MSNBC, it's not CNN. It's FOX reporting this.

I believe it.

I gather those who don't believe this are the same people who didn't believe the polls. I saw a lot of that here.

Lets pretend it's true. Now what do you say?

Carl Cameron is the same "reporter" who did a "special" after 9/11 on the mysterious "Israeli moving van."

98 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:44pm

re: #75 Gearhead

Because I can't reach my...

Just spat peanuts everywhere.

99 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:47pm

re: #73 FrogMarch

What about Joe Biden? He is the gaffe machine dumb ass. and he's also VP elect.

Can't Palin go back to Alaska in peace?

No- they want to steal her thunder because she stole theirs. Petty.

100 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:53pm

re: #55 SpartanWoman

Yep, savaging conservatives and sucking Chris Matthews mantitties

HARSH VISUAL ALERT!

101 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 6:59:55pm

Those saguaro cacti can be quite heavy and have been known to fall at inopportune times...

102 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:02pm

We need to run Palin and this guy in 2012.

103 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:02pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

I think McCain staffers are bitter she stole the thunder.

without Palin they didnt even have a showers!

104 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:20pm

re: #81 Opinionated

I'd like to see names, dates, tapes, before I believe it.
And, I'd like to see the Pres-elect's tape, too.

105 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:20pm

re: #46 nobamadada

Sarah Palin was nothing but an asset to the McCain campaign. Lets be real here people, this campaign was going nowhere from the start.

Concur.

106 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:22pm

re: #71 Russkilitlover

You know plenty, but I think she is an easy target because she is a woman. Unfortunately, sexism stills exists.

107 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:27pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

Yes, and unnamed sources say this, so it must be true.
/

108 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:29pm

What a fucking load of absolute shit. What is going on here? McCain was a turd candidate but he gives a great concession speech.

109 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:31pm

re: #96 Spiny Norman

John McCain lost because he and his staffers ran a fucking inept campaign, simple as that.

Man up, you twerps.

X2

110 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:42pm

re: #86 HDrepub

Trashing her now will pay dividends later, see where this is going? The media have sowed doubt about her from day one, because they fear her, and must keep the cheap shit going, lest she rise from the ashes and smite them. The elitist Republicans did a lot of damage to McCain and need to purged. Never mind McCain did a lot of damage himself too.

"They," Them," "Those," need to bury her. She was a force and it was recognized. The need to stomp her into oblivion is tantamount - unfortunately by as may Reps as Dems.

111 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:42pm

re: #72 daledog

Wrong. Look at the giddyness of Carl Cameron over this story. He seems awfully over informed about a he said/she said issue. The campaign is over. Let the defeated party have a day of peace. Pigsty.

Does anyone actually believe that Sarah Palin did not know that Africa was a continent? Please.

Look, they are reporting something that was told to them. Cameron always has a smirk. What are you, a fucking mind reader.

And you all are always tooting the horn for Fox. So, now that they are reporting something you don't like, you tear them a new asshole?

Let's see McCain come back and deny this if it's false. If any of this is true, it's not Fox's fault for reporting it.

112 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:43pm

Ugh...indeed.

And on that note I.m off to bed.

I'm really, really sick of being sick.

113 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:00:56pm

I'm aware many lizards were not Palin fans: fair enough. I have to say I find this behavior by these LOSER McCain aides disgusting and beneath contempt. The party of personal responsibility indeed.

114 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:00pm

re: #89 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't believe these accusations. Not for a minute.

I don't hear any denials yet, though.

That's important. If she doesn't come springing into the spotlight in about five minutes and say, "AFRICA? Heck, I majored in AFRICAN studies, baby," then she's done, politically.

115 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:01pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

SMACK!

116 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:24pm

re: #81 Opinionated

It's not Sat Night Live, it's not MSNBC, it's not CNN. It's FOX reporting this.

I believe it.

I gather those who don't believe this are the same people who didn't believe the polls. I saw a lot of that here.

Lets pretend it's true. Now what do you say?

I don't care.

117 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:26pm

We agree 100% about American Jews but disagree here about Obama. He put together and ran a campaign that by all accounts was excellent. That speaks to his political abilities. I am sure you are also happy that his hatchet man loves rather than hates Israel. I am.


If by "excellent" you mean he got wha HE wanted. . .then yes, you are correct.

If by excellent you mean he unified people, spoke honestly and directly, and invited scrutiny into his life, and directed people to stop lowering expectations on him or his character and ran a race that was about what he could do for his country- he did not

He got what he wanted
The majority of Americans and our allies will get the shaft- literally

118 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:33pm

What a piece of sh.. !

As for reporter Carl Cameron - smirky face came out with this gem early on in the story

Seriously, I didn't make this up: quoting some rat fink sources who according to Cameron were concerned that "...she didn't have enough knowledgeability to carry it off..."

Knowledgeability?

WTF///

Ignoramus Cameron clearly lacked the" knowledgeability" to carry off his breathless report.

119 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:42pm

re: #59 jcm

Civil war breaking out in (R) party. The moderate blue bloods vs. the Reagan conservatives.

If we have he hope of the Senate (R)s blocking any of O's and the (D)s agenda, this GODDAMN SHIT BETTER STOP NOW!

This fratricidal bullshit will insure the (D)'s gain seats in '10, retain the WH in '12 and we run a Dole/McCain ticket in '16, losing to a even more leftist.

JCM, I think many of us are burning off the letdown. I'm seeing in meatspace too.

120 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:01:52pm

re: #98 MandyManners

Just spat peanuts everywhere.

I made Mandy laugh. Bright spot on a cloudy day.

121 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:01pm

re: #81 Opinionated
It's FOX reporting this.

I believe it.


This is a VERY scary statement.

122 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:04pm

re: #109 nobamadada

re: #96 Spiny Norman

John McCain lost because he and his staffers ran a fucking inept campaign, simple as that.

Man up, you twerps.

X2

The motion passes

123 sbvft contributor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:05pm

yeah, we ran a lousy campaign. I know - let's blame sarah. convenient scapegoat. what MFers. at least have a tiny bit of class and wait a couple weeks. who are these people. i want names. f*ckin P*ssies. come out and say it like a man.

124 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:29pm

re: #102 maddogg

We need to run Palin and this guy in 2012.

Nah, they'd just say he's racist against black people.

125 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:31pm

re: #100 Sol Roth

HARSH VISUAL ALERT!


Gawd...indeed.

Last night I dreamt of MO singing while I ate cantelope (I swear it's the antivert and the antibiotics and the booze!)...this dream being prefferable to the image I shall take to bed tonight.

SOmeone pass the brain bleach.

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:34pm

re: #114 Cognito

It may be that she's been figuring out what to do about Stevens' Senate seat. I'm not sure she should take it, but it is probably her biggest issue right now.

127 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:42pm

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.

128 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:02:47pm

re: #114 Cognito

I don't hear any denials yet, though.

That's important. If she doesn't come springing into the spotlight in about five minutes and say, "AFRICA? Heck, I majored in AFRICAN studies, baby," then she's done, politically.

Why would she deny anything so utterly and contemptibly stupid?
Mc Cain (son of Cain) should kick these guys in the ass

129 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:00pm

One positive thing to take away from an Obama win? A McCain loss! Let him go back to being a RINO. Time for REAL conservatives. Palin 2012!

130 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:09pm

re: #89 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.

I don't believe these accusations. Not for a minute.

Neither do I.

131 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:13pm

I think the keyword in this story is "staffers". These "staffers" want jobs in someone else's campaign in the near future, and therefore need someone to blame for their own failures in this election.

McCain it should be noted, seemed to me to prove once again, he's a class act. Even to a fault perhaps, in that he's too nice a guy for the rough and tough world of today's politics and the media.

132 RTLM  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:21pm

Dear McCain and staff, please go and run to your Dem nurse maids. I hear they are experienced nose wipers.

133 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:23pm

re: #119 Sol Roth

JCM, I think many of us are burning off the letdown. I'm seeing in meatspace too.

Thanks, I needed that!

DRINK!

134 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:35pm

re: #60 gmsc

10 to 1 all of the "McCain staffers" who provided this information have e-mail addresses that end in "@huffingtonpost.com" or "@dailykos.org".

I have a feeling you may be getting closer to the truth here than Mr. Cameron did.

135 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:44pm

re: #110 Russkilitlover

"They," Them," "Those," need to bury her. She was a force and it was recognized. The need to stomp her into oblivion is tantamount - unfortunately by as may Reps as Dems.

The groundwork has ben laid. . .the Left has been calling her a cun- for awhile. . .now she will be the scapegoat cun-

I am going to form my own party. . .and run wih Palin in 2012!

136 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:45pm

The McCain campaign has always seemed determined to lose. I'm sorry I can't take their word on Sarah Palin.

And speaking of stupid, in the great words of our President Elect "10,000 dead in Kansas!"

137 SuaSponte  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:57pm

I thought Africa was part of America. That's where African-Americans originally immigrated from, isn't it? Hell, Alaska is almost as big as Africa, and it's only a state! Where does Africa come off being a continent?

Anyway, when will Carl Cameron give equal time to how Biden got thrown overboard at the last minute? What are the juicy inside details on that one? I can't imagine he was given time off for good behavior. Now he's a certified asshat, when he can't keep his stupid remarks under wraps.

We love Sarah Palin, and still do. She was a class act, as far as we could tell.

138 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:03:58pm

re: #125 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Sorry

139 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:02pm
140 kahall  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:12pm

I have read all about this but I can't watch the clip. Makes me sick to think about someone doing that. If it is true that is, which I have no doubt, but I will wait. If someone already proved it up thread, I did not read them all.

141 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:22pm

O'Reilly being O'Reilly. Jeez, I've felt 100 times better in the last 24 hours by tuning out Fox News.

Big Bill is still pissed Sarah never came on his show.

Sarah will still be around when John Sidney McCain retires to any one of his 10 (or is it 12?) homes.

Bet John wouldn't treat Hillary as badly as he's about to treat Sarah.

142 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:39pm

With this shit, I've got to say it's looking like the right person won last night.

143 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:48pm

I heard - and you heard- the things she said about Russia. They were idiotic.

You don't want to believe this, I understand.

144 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:53pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.

Our guy in WA, Dino Rossi is out too, he lost to Gregoire again. I had high hopes he'd win, fix WA and have a record to run on.

Pffft.

145 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:04:54pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

"Outside of being a dark condiment, what else does Africa have to offer?"

--Krazy Kat

Zebras

146 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:03pm

re: #102 maddogg

We need to run Palin and this guy in 2012.

Holy crap, where was that guy all election?

147 calcajun  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:15pm

Posted earlier, but bears repeating:

I find this hard to believe, let alone accept. These would be the same people that picked her, gagged her for two weeks, fed her to Gibson and Couric and then decided to let her be her own person on the trail? This is nothing less than blame-shifting. McCain has no one to blame for himself for the loss.

148 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #120 Gearhead

I made Mandy laugh. Bright spot on a cloudy day.

Thanks for the laugh! It lasted a few moments then I realized that CBBHO* won.

*CommieBastardBHO

149 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:17pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

"Outside of being a dark condiment, what else does Africa have to offer?"

--Krazy Kat

An equal opportunity to all to die young from a variety of causes.

150 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:20pm

re: #138 SpartanWoman

Sorry


Thanks love!

Now I'm really off to bed.

Night all!

151 tronix  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:31pm

why is little carly cameron so fricking happy to carry water for these low level bureaucrats?...why are they trying to destroy Sarah?..what a buncha dickheads who should never work in a repub campaign ever again

152 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:35pm

re: #90 nobamadada

I really don't want to know what happened behind closed doors between McCain staffers and Sarah Palin. I don't care. Sort of like I don't care what Whoopie said on the View this morning. I hope nobody on talk radio touches this topic tomorrow. It is all bullshit.

153 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:38pm

The MSM is dead to me now. I'll smile as they all go bankrupt.

154 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:41pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.

I second that notion. I'm a Christian but we DO NOT need fundamentalist Christians in power who believe in creationism. I vote for a president, NOT a pastor. We don't need anything resembling a theocracy in this country. The problem with those is the guy in charge thinks he's THEO. Jindal is unelectable. We need to get back to strong conservative principles but we don't need to go off the deep end. If we do, the dems/marxists will take this country for a ride equal to that of the old Soviet Union.

155 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:43pm

re: #141 sagamoregal

O'Reilly being O'Reilly. Jeez, I've felt 100 times better in the last 24 hours by tuning out Fox News.

Big Bill is still pissed Sarah never came on his show.

Sarah will still be around when John Sidney McCain retires to any one of his 10 (or is it 12?) homes.

Bet John wouldn't treat Hillary as badly as he's about to treat Sarah.

i could not agree anymore. Where is Fox news going!?!?

156 Intifan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:43pm

Woah, South Park predicted the LLL reaction to Obama's election exactly. 'Looosers! Looosers!"

157 joshb  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:05:51pm

Other outlets have reported that a lot of the backbiting came from Romney aides imported in to work on the McCain campaign. So take a lot of this with a grain of salt. If my guy's likely to run in 2012, I'm going to spin as much as I can against a potential rival. Well, I probably wouldn't because I try to be somewhat honorable, but political operatives know little about honor.

158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:01pm

re: #149 maddogg

An equal opportunity to all to die young from a variety of causes.


Lions?

159 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #155 nobamadada

i could not agree anymore. Where is Fox news going!?!?

Ask Joe the Plumber. Flush.

160 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:16pm

re: #128 SpartanWoman

Why would she deny anything so utterly and contemptibly stupid?
Mc Cain (son of Cain) should kick these guys in the ass

Yes he should. Our party withers when acts like a circular firing squad. GOP: stop the infighting, and start planning how you'll work to moderate and oppose the Dem agenda. Work for the people, don't backbite.

161 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:27pm

re: #128 SpartanWoman

Why would she deny anything so utterly and contemptibly stupid?
Mc Cain (son of Cain) should kick these guys in the ass

It is what it is.

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true. And judging by the confidence in Fox News's report, I suspect they've got this stuff nailed to the floor.

More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon.

162 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:27pm

re: #125 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Gawd...indeed.

Last night I dreamt of MO singing while I ate cantelope (I swear it's the antivert and the antibiotics and the booze!)...this dream being prefferable to the image I shall take to bed tonight.

SOmeone pass the brain bleach.

I kid you not--I dreamed that Soros apologized to me and said he never thought CBBHO would win. Then, he invited me to his weekend place for to go fishing.

163 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:43pm

re: #97 Alouette

Carl Cameron is the same "reporter" who did a "special" after 9/11 on the mysterious "Israeli moving van."

There was a moving van and the occupants were arrested. Those reports were true.

(Of course they had nothing to do with the attack)

164 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:46pm

#39 W Newton

You have got to be kidding!

Did you actually listen to the gibberish coming from that idiot Cameron's pie hole?

Thought not.

165 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:49pm

re: #155 nobamadada

i could not agree anymore. Where is Fox news going!?!?

The want a seat on the Obama plane.

166 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.

It's almost like the party is going to need to be totally buried and then someone resurrect a new bunch of conservative leaders. Personally, I wouldn't allow anyone from LA. to run for a national office. My moms side of the family is from NO, they go all the way back to the 1600's.

A lot of lawyers in her family, working for the politico's of the city and state. Take my word for it, no good comes from any LA. politician, right, left, or otherwise. IMHO.

The conservatives have to decide what's important to the process. Politics along with morals or politics along with the religious right. Those are really two different things.

167 sbvft contributor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:06:54pm

you saw how she worked those crowds. a natural. Reaganesqe. Meanwhile McCain had zero charm. zero ability to motivate. zero ability to fundraise. Get out of the way you moderates. you've destroyed the party. a friggin marxist is soon to be our president thanx to your idiocy.

168 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:23pm

re: #142 kansas

With this shit, I've got to say it's looking like the right person won last night.

The crying campaign staffers weren't going to be in high office if McCain had won.

They were just peons who are whining and crying about it now.

Obama thinks there are 60 states, meanwhile.

Worry about him (especially if he wants handouts given to all 60.)

169 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:30pm

re: #118 Colin Nelson

Nice catch - knowledgeability. I knew I heard something stoopid coming out of Cameron's mouth.

170 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:32pm

Looks like South Park has an interesting take on the election.

McCain was in on it.

171 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:34pm

re: #142 kansas

With this shit, I've got to say it's looking like the right person won last night.

I'd say this just means the wrong person won the primaries.

172 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:49pm

Hey, wait a second...At first glance here about NAFTA -- the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the U.S. which this "reporter" claims Palin didn't know about it? On the face of it -- I don't believe that...why? Because one of the pipe lines being built in Alaska (which she constantly referred to) is being built by a CANADIAN firm...On the face of it, I don't trust FOX. Need to investigate further.

173 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:50pm

re: #161 Cognito

It is what it is.

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true. And judging by the confidence in Fox News's report, I suspect they've got this stuff nailed to the floor.

More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon.

Yeah, she's finished, but I don't think she owes anyone an explanation for this back stabbing.

174 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:51pm

re: #133 jcm

Thanks, I needed that!

DRINK!

DRINGHK!

175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:07:56pm

re: #141 sagamoregal

O'Reilly being O'Reilly. Jeez, I've felt 100 times better in the last 24 hours by tuning out Fox News.

Big Bill is still pissed Sarah never came on his show.

Sarah will still be around when John Sidney McCain retires to any one of his 10 (or is it 12?) homes.

Bet John wouldn't treat Hillary as badly as he's about to treat Sarah.

Uh, what difference does it make how many homes he has?

176 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:02pm

re: #161 Cognito

It is what it is.

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true. And judging by the confidence in Fox News's report, I suspect they've got this stuff nailed to the floor.

More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon.

It will be no more true than Bush's failure to call press conferences everytime someone spouts lies, or Obama's failure to deny he was the son of Malcom X

177 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:04pm

re: #114 Cognito

I don't hear any denials yet, though.

That's important. If she doesn't come springing into the spotlight in about five minutes and say, "AFRICA? Heck, I majored in AFRICAN studies, baby," then she's done, politically.


What's the point?
Why should she deny Cameron's gossip?
Does she have to come on TV and deny every towel story someone comes up with?
The election is over. Outside of Alaska, who cares?

Now, how about asking Obama about his statement that Iran is a tiny harmless country? Or Biden about how we and the French kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon? These are the men we elected and their idiocy needs to be dealt with.

178 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:11pm

re: #154 Jetpilot1101

If people here or anywhere don't think the exorcism curing cancer thing isn't lethal, then I'm clueless as to what to say. That's fringe territory.

179 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:16pm

re: #170 Noam Sayin'

did i miss it?

180 maddogg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:16pm

re: #158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Lions?

Wild animals, murder, revolution, starvation, and too many deadly diseases to name.

181 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:23pm
182 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:29pm

re: #168 Adina in Judea

The crying campaign staffers weren't going to be in high office if McCain had won.

They were just peons who are whining and crying about it now.

Obama thinks there are 60 states, meanwhile.

Worry about him (especially if he wants handouts given to all 60.)

I want a hand out.

183 tronix  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:40pm

Guess they wanna keep in the DEMONCRAPS good graces so they will get more Oboma face time...that, after all, is what makes a REAL network

184 cy_babe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:45pm

Well... I guess this just reminds us why bHo won... The only option was McCain. Lets face it no one really voted for McCain, they just voted against bHo. I can't wait until 2012 when Palin can run again. She was a bright spot.. Okay, a little wet behind the pumps, but she is gonna take the conservatives forward. McCain was clearly as liberal as you can get in the GOP.

185 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:54pm

re: #120 Gearhead

I made Mandy laugh. Bright spot on a cloudy day.


Just dont make her mad, coz then you will need rope.

186 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:08:56pm

re: #146 bosforus

Holy crap, where was that guy all election?

That video was posted here weeks ago, bos.

187 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:18pm

Sour grapes is unbecoming. That's what this is.

188 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:18pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

If people here or anywhere don't think the exorcism curing cancer thing isn't lethal, then I'm clueless as to what to say. That's fringe territory.

To me, it's on the same page as claiming that there was no landing on the moon.

189 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:19pm

D'oh - answers to idiots:

Sarah Palin's Office with mural of Alaska. You can be damn sure she knows Canada is next to that.

And her son is in Iraq, which is near Africa. I'll damn bet she's looked on a map.

190 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:23pm

re: #143 Opinionated

I heard - and you heard- the things she said about Russia. They were idiotic.

You don't want to believe this, I understand.

You mean the one that "she could see Russia form her back door"?

191 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:24pm

And I heard Obomba say that ten-thousand people were killed in a tornado and saw him say it. If he could be 9,990 off the mark on a body count, I shudder to think what astronomical gaffes he is capable of with the whole earth hanging in the balance.

192 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:24pm

#52 Op...

Sounds as if you actually believe the rot that Cameron was serving up.

Amazing.

Give yourself a shake.

193 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:36pm

At least some of us note the SERIOUS DELETERIOUS EFFECTS of criticism, backbiting, gossip and fault-finding.

America can do without it!

194 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:41pm

re: #186 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That video was posted here weeks ago, bos.

Oh, well something's bound to slip by me during those 8 hours per night that I'm not on lgf.

195 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:42pm

re: #170 Noam Sayin'

Looks like South Park has an interesting take on the election.

McCain was in on it.

They are right! Unless McCain holds a press conference in the next five minutes, HE supported Obama and sabotaged himself. In fact he's a closet Marxist!

196 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:43pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I kid you not--I dreamed that Soros apologized to me and said he never thought CBBHO would win. Then, he invited me to his weekend place for to go fishing.

Daym...pass what you're taking over this way!

I'm operating on like three hours of sleep. I hate being sick..I sleep like crap in spite of the drugs.

I need, desperately, need a massage but when you're sick a good deep tissue will make you sicker and I can't take my usual really, really hot bath for the same reasons!

Life is sucking right now.

/bitch/moan mode off!

197 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:09:53pm

re: #181 gmsc

That's it!

New requirement before you can run for U.S. President or Vice-President: You have to do 90% or better on all of the following:

Naming the U.S. Presidents in 10 minutes
Naming the Countries of the World in 15 mintes
Naming all the U.S. States in 10 minutes
Naming the U.S. State Capitals in 10 minutes
Identifying the U.S. Presidential Order of Succession in 6 minutes

How about passing a background check to be on your own fucking staff?

198 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:02pm

re: #99 Sharmuta

No- they want to steal her thunder because she stole theirs. Petty.

Petty is right. Creeps.

199 Russkilitlover  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:16pm

re: #106 NYCHardhat

You know plenty, but I think she is an easy target because she is a woman. Unfortunately, sexism stills exists.

Black males got the vote 50 years before women. I'm just sayin'. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

200 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:17pm

re: #194 bosforus

Oh, well something's bound to slip by me during those 8 hours per night that I'm not on lgf.

lol

201 kahall  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:17pm

re: #143 Opinionated

I heard - and you heard- the things she said about Russia. They were idiotic.

You don't want to believe this, I understand.


I head them and they don't matter to me. Some of the questions were just as dumb, and I think CC is the one who is deranged.

202 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:23pm

re: #45 P. Aaron

Bill Orielly is, like a lot of news commentators, of the most ill-informed.


Oh but he's SOOO feisty.

"COME ON, YOU COWARD, SAY THE TRUTH" That's the best he can do - to Bahney Fwank of all people?

203 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:34pm

re: #161 Cognito

re: #128 SpartanWoman

Why would she deny anything so utterly and contemptibly stupid?
Mc Cain (son of Cain) should kick these guys in the ass

It is what it is.

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true. And judging by the confidence in Fox News's report, I suspect they've got this stuff nailed to the floor.

More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon.

So every nasty thing said about her is true unless she comes out to deny it?

She went national on a dime. It was a stressful situation, but she handled things very well. She will only get better at it.

204 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:38pm

Is it wrong for me to want to kick campaign Carl in the balls really hard?

205 VioletTiger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:40pm

I saw the report. I nearly smashed my TV.

Years back, I remember getting enraged over the Dixie chicks bad-mouthing Bush. It wasn't what they said so much as where and how they said it. They trashed our country and our president on foreign soil. This feels the same way to me. I can't get over the vitriol coming out of the republican party over Sarah. They have done so much damage to the campaign and now to a possible future candidate. Why bring this crap up now? And if you are going to do it, have the guts to go on the record. I think I see why the campaign never got a head of steam. They were busy bashing each other.
Cowards.

206 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:45pm

re: #181 gmsc

Now there's a test with a 100 percent guarantee (i'm willing to bet) The Zero would flunk outright -- yeah, how about those 57 states, eh?

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:56pm

re: #195 SpartanWoman

They are right! Unless McCain holds a press conference in the next five minutes, HE supported Obama and sabotaged himself. In fact he's a closet Marxist!

Please do remember your /sarc tag.

208 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:10:59pm

Damage control. Screw 'em.

209 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:05pm

re: #188 MandyManners

To me, it's on the same page as claiming that there was no landing on the moon.

It's kookservative.

210 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:07pm

re: #10 Sol Roth

You do understand this is hearsay evidence from a network that now must ingratiate itself to the Obama Administration for access. Who are the "staffers?" Why not interview them directly?


TFK thinks Campaign Carl is a weasel. I agree.

Correct. And we all know Bill O'Reilly is a weasel.

If it's true, it's the Romneyites that McCain took on after he won the nomination. The Romneyites have behaved very poorly this whole election season...I'm thinking about Kathleen Parker and some of those other wankers at NR, but I do believe they are the sources of the leaks that damaged McCain in this last month too.

211 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:15pm

re: #179 NYCHardhat

Just started.

They're doing an Ocean's Eleven thing.

212 bosforus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:16pm

re: #206 J.S.

...how about those 57 states, eh?


Extra credit!

213 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:18pm

I would like to call every McCain staffer and personally tell them that I contributed BECAUSE Palin was running and that by attempting to malign Palin, they are making themselves look very, very small indeed.

I think they are revealing that they misused her and belittled her and cut her off that the knees - that they were jealous of her star power - that as a result, they screwed the pooch and could not recover. They can't admit it to themselves, because that's who they are, and to do so would be to admit they are a bunch of stuck up losers.

Also, no one can tell me there is not sexism and elitism involved here, because there is.

214 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:20pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

Zebras

Meerkat Manor!

215 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:33pm

re: #204 Jetpilot1101

Is it wrong for me to want to kick campaign Carl in the balls really hard?

That would be a good thing.

216 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:38pm

Fox news is NOT our friend.

217 pittboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:11:44pm

Sarah Palin was an excellent choice. The campaign staff, as controlling strangers, most likely underutilized her. She had to learn mounds of info and compatible talking points. I'm sure she chaffed at a lot of this and just wanted to campaign. Shame on John for letting his staff make a lot of poor decisions concerning her interviews with the media.

218 Nuclear Ninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:02pm

If anything, nobody should ever even consider hiring these McCain staffers again.

219 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:04pm

re: #173 kansas

Yeah, she's finished, but I don't think she owes anyone an explanation for this back stabbing.

Sarah Palin isn't finished because of some crying backstabbing staffers.

If these staffers couldn't handle being on a national campaign, then they should have been fired.

220 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:13pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Please do remember your /sarc tag.

I'm just imitating Cog. The sincerest form of flattery they say

221 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:19pm

Night all...sweet dreams!

222 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #171 Cognito

I'd say this just means the wrong person won the primaries.

You can say that again.

223 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:42pm

This smarmy behavior by McCain's so called aides really, really offends my sense of propriety.

224 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:43pm

re: #213 Cattt

High paw slap on that, yo.

225 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:44pm

First, I agree with Walter, it is never good to paint yourself into your own corner of double-standard.

If there is truth to this, let them report it.

However, to be brutally honest, I just have a very hard time believing this now. Seriously, if this is the case with Palin, is it not just as much fault of the "staffers" not doing their job in vetting her for the position before the offer?

As well, during the campaign, if this was such a dirty little secret they felt to be so damaging, why not convince McCain to utilize the 57 states comment by Obama during the debates? You can't argue, on the level, this is just as bad as not knowing the difference with Africa being a Continent versus a country.

Actually, as far as I am concerned, and what really makes me think this way, is this is her ox being gored. As soon as I read about the towel story, something just did not sit right.

If I was a betting man, someone / something is trying to diminish her credibility for the future.

Kind of sexist in the reporting.

226 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:53pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

Sour grapes is unbecoming. That's what this is.

Sure it's unbecoming. That doesn't mean it's not informative.

I don't care a whit for the gossipy bits. And if she were just going to head home and lead a long and productive life serving the citizens of Alaska, I wouldn't care about the substantial stuff.

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill. Conservatives are in a bad position right now, and they can't afford any surprises next time around.

227 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:54pm

MSM was camped out in Kenya, waiting for the victory celebration; no one wandered over to Baracks' brothers' place to interview him durring the election...Isn't that "odd"?
No one interviewed his illegal immigrant aunt. That's "odd" too. The fix has been in from the start. Obama will take his post very seriously, and I wish him all the luck in the world. He is being propped up, but the ones who are holding the cards aren't showing their hand. FOX is not our friend. Fox is FOX's friend.

228 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:12:59pm

re: #216 Wishing

Fox news is NOT our friend.

Moby network.

229 tronix  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:04pm

Carly Cameron was postively giddy talking up the NATIONAL ENQUIRER type story he gave...

230 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:07pm

re: #220 SpartanWoman

I'm just imitating Cog. The sincerest form of flattery they say

I understand, not a problem.

231 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:10pm

re: #219 Adina in Judea

Sarah Palin isn't finished because of some crying backstabbing staffers.

If these staffers couldn't handle being on a national campaign, then they should have been fired.

No, she's finished nationally because she will never be able to overcome the MSM.

232 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:11pm

re: #226 Cognito

GAZE

233 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:17pm

Sarah Palin has "the stuff" and people recognize it. These McCain staffers need to go pound sand.

Why aren't they being named? hmmm

234 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:20pm

re: #222 jcm

You can say that again.

Sorry to say this but I dont believe anyone was beating BO.

235 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:22pm

Our luck ran out...Now we must groom a new man or woman to grab the base and lure the dems. Until we do that, ignorant people will always vote for handouts.

236 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:23pm

re: #94 ErislDysnomia

"I hope Palin, no longer needing to hold back, really goes after these jokesters."

And names names *cough cough* Rick Davis * cough cough* .

So, who's the freeking whiz bang math genius in the McCain camp that had internal polling numbers showing McCain had a chance in Penna. LOL. Good gawd what a joke. Maybe they never polled people in Penna but just sat back on the airplane and read PUMA web sites.

237 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:25pm

OT
For all you Chicago residents that are feeling so good tonight..
Cubs..White Soxs..Bears...Bulls
/somebody had to say it..LOL
But really..what do you think the over/under will be for the Bulls Announcer saying this basketball season, ' Gordon..out of Control..'?
100?

238 sbvft contributor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:36pm

OMIGOD - the horror - she answered the door in a towel. what kind of little fairies did mccain have working for him? Their just jealous because she has a future and they'll be forever remembered as running an awful campaign. they're finished in campaign consulting circles. their hourly rates have tanked.

239 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:42pm

re: #181 gmsc

The same test should be applied to all lying MSM so-called "reporters." And it should be a pop quiz, given without warning, and videotaped. Let's see how well they do...then, if they don't pass, fire the lot of them!

240 RTLM  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:45pm

Now on the Greta Gutter of Shit.

241 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:49pm

re: #161 Cognito

It is what it is.

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true. And judging by the confidence in Fox News's report, I suspect they've got this stuff nailed to the floor.

More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon.

No, on para two and three. Not everyone denies drivel. Some people assume people know drivel, and some people don't want to acknowledge drivel.

Yes on para four.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:56pm

re: #196 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Daym...pass what you're taking over this way!

I'm operating on like three hours of sleep. I hate being sick..I sleep like crap in spite of the drugs.

I need, desperately, need a massage but when you're sick a good deep tissue will make you sicker and I can't take my usual really, really hot bath for the same reasons!

Life is sucking right now.

/bitch/moan mode off!

((( Pulchritudinous Patriot )))

That's a safe hug--don't need no bugs here.

243 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:13:57pm

re: #213 Cattt

I would like to call every McCain staffer and personally tell them that I contributed BECAUSE Palin was running and that by attempting to malign Palin, they are making themselves look very, very small indeed.

I think they are revealing that they misused her and belittled her and cut her off that the knees - that they were jealous of her star power - that as a result, they screwed the pooch and could not recover. They can't admit it to themselves, because that's who they are, and to do so would be to admit they are a bunch of stuck up losers.

Also, no one can tell me there is not sexism and elitism involved here, because there is.

I gave the McCain campaign $1000 starting when Sarah Palin was named as the VP candidate.

I think they owe her an apology (and I'd like one, too.)

244 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:01pm

re: #216 Wishing

Fox news is NOT our friend.

Fox news seems like it was a variation on the trojan horse from the get go. I avoid it as much as the alphabet channels.

245 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:15pm

#64 Cog

I'm amazed and totally surprised that you of all people are even for a moment buying the South Africa continent/country crapola.

Shame on you.

246 pbird  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:30pm

re: #52 Opinionated

Lets see how many down dings I can gather.

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

She didn't know that Africa was a continent.

And there are people here who are upset with FOX?

FOX held the story until after the election.

If Republicans really believe even after these revelations that Palin was qualified to be Vice President then God help America because both major Parties are populated by fools and imbeciles.


You believe everything you hear?

247 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:45pm

re: #190 Spiny Norman

You mean the one that "she could see Russia form her back door"?

I mean her national security experience where Alaska keeps its eye on Putin when "as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America".

248 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:49pm

re: #204 Jetpilot1101

No.

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:50pm

re: #227 swamprat

MSM was camped out in Kenya, waiting for the victory celebration; no one wandered over to Baracks' brothers' place to interview him durring the election...Isn't that "odd"?
No one interviewed his illegal immigrant aunt. That's "odd" too. The fix has been in from the start. Obama will take his post very seriously, and I wish him all the luck in the world. He is being propped up, but the ones who are holding the cards aren't showing their hand. FOX is not our friend. Fox is FOX's friend.

I agree. I'm not am Obama fan, but I too hope he does his job well.

250 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:57pm

re: #204 Jetpilot1101

Is it wrong for me to want to kick campaign Carl in the balls really hard?

Please do.

251 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:14:57pm

re: #231 kansas

No, she's finished nationally because she will never be able to overcome the MSM.

Prediction: much of the MSM goes bankrupt really soon. The economy is going to get really bad and carrying water for BHO will not pay the bills.

252 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:08pm

re: #242 MandyManners

((( Pulchritudinous Patriot )))

That's a safe hug--don't need no bugs here.

Thanks, Mandy...love ya!


Safe hugs back...!

253 RTLM  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:13pm

re: #240 RTLM

Now on the Greta Gutter of Shit.

Alright - I take that back. Greta is defending Palin.

254 nordink  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:14pm

You stay classy, McCain staffers!

Losing is tough, people. But grown-ups can take the lumps without leaking whines and innuendo to the press.

And I'd like to take a moment to extend my own personal atta-boy to Fox News' intrepid Campaign Carl, who just barely managed to keep his girlish squeals of delight out of his breathless rumor reporting.

Ugh is right, Charles.

255 Ozymandias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:21pm

my take on this is Fox definitely knows they are out of the loop and are desperately trying to get back in. what a ridiculous hit piece on Palin. all a bunch of third hand nonsense.

"she didn't under the concept of American exceptionalism" (hehad trouble with that phrase and had to repeat it slowly). what utter bullshit.

somebody wants her under the bus.

256 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:23pm

re: #114 Cognito

I don't hear any denials yet, though.

That's important. If she doesn't come springing into the spotlight in about five minutes and say, "AFRICA? Heck, I majored in AFRICAN studies, baby," then she's done, politically.

You are unbelievable. Literally un - be liev able

257 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:28pm

re: #161 Cognito

If she never said those ridiculous things about world geography, etc., then she will call a press conference post haste and rip her accusers into bite-sized pieces.

If she doesn't, then what they said is likely true.

Right.

And since I've never heard Bush explicitly deny that he carried out 9/11, why, that must prove that...

258 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:15:31pm

re: #228 Sharmuta

Moby network.

if they came in Left, like everyone else, they'd have no edge. So their marketing makes them the ones the Left love to hate. Good for ratings.
In reality, in the tank, like all the rest.

259 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:04pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

It's kookservative.

And, it won't fly with realistic, fiscal conservatives.

260 guitarguy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:05pm

If this story is true...then the McCain staff are a bunch of douchebags.

They plucked this woman from her home state, offered her the VP position, and pointed the cameras at her.
She gave the McCain campaign a SERIOUS boost, and drew huge crowds - and ratings - whenever she appeared.
She traveled and campaigned like a pro, and her appearances often broke records.
She was the subject of jokes, ridicule, mockery, and scorn from the left.

And now that the votes are in, McCain's crew says "Go home. You're no longer needed...and we didn't like you anyway. See ya!"

Absolutely despicable.

And really, do you seriously think Biden knew which nations were in NAFTA? Or that Africa wasn't a country?

261 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:26pm

re: #137 SuaSponte

I thought Africa was part of America. That's where African-Americans originally immigrated from, isn't it? Hell, Alaska is almost as big as Africa, and it's only a state! Where does Africa come off being a continent?

I know you're having fun here, but consider this visualization comparing the size of Alaska to the size of the continental United States. (Be patient - this is a large PNG graphic, and may take a while to load)

Next, consider this visualization of Africa's size.

Hey, while we're on the topic, check out the size of Brazil as compared to Europe!

262 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:39pm

re: #243 Adina in Judea

I gave the McCain campaign $1000 starting when Sarah Palin was named as the VP candidate.

I think they owe her an apology (and I'd like one, too.)

Think you could get your money back? I didn't give a grand, but I would like to have my measly $150 back. I could buy the wife and me dinner and drinks.

263 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:47pm

re: #81 Opinionated
I say the polls grossly exagerated Obama's lead and did their best to affect public opinion, why?

264 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:47pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

OT
For all you Chicago residents that are feeling so good tonight..
Cubs..White Soxs..Bears...Bulls
/somebody had to say it..LOL
But really..what do you think the over/under will be for the Bulls Announcer saying this basketball season, ' Gordon Nodrog..out of Control..'?
100?

Fixed.

265 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:54pm

re: #246 pbird

You believe everything you hear?

Not everything.

Just what I believe to be true.

266 bellamags  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:16:56pm

Carl Cameron seems like a high school boy who just found out some dirt on a buddies ex-girlfriend. Fox is pissing me off and seems more and more concerned with the commercial aspect of the news and not actual reporting. I can't even stomach watching that fucking station. I am watching reruns of Ghost Hunters.

Its over people, why bring up this shit? Why don't we put all the stooopid things Obama and Biden said in a montage with all the stooopid things Palin and McCain said. I bet the first pair would take the cake. Jeez.

267 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:01pm

re: #225 formercorpsman

First, I agree with Walter, it is never good to paint yourself into your own corner of double-standard.

If there is truth to this, let them report it.

However, to be brutally honest, I just have a very hard time believing this now. Seriously, if this is the case with Palin, is it not just as much fault of the "staffers" not doing their job in vetting her for the position before the offer?

As well, during the campaign, if this was such a dirty little secret they felt to be so damaging, why not convince McCain to utilize the 57 states comment by Obama during the debates? You can't argue, on the level, this is just as bad as not knowing the difference with Africa being a Continent versus a country.

Actually, as far as I am concerned, and what really makes me think this way, is this is her ox being gored. As soon as I read about the towel story, something just did not sit right.

If I was a betting man, someone / something is trying to diminish her credibility for the future.

Kind of sexist in the reporting.

Thanks. That is what I have been trying to say. Fox is a fucking commercial venture. Their bottom line is money.

I'm not saying this is true. But it is a double standard if one week we like Fox, and then the next week we hate Fox.

If this is not true, then it up to the McCain folks to deny it. It is up to Palin to make a statement.

And as Cognito said, Fox probably has the facts neatly tied up. It would be suicide on their part to just drop a phony story like this on the public.

268 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:07pm

The only reason I will ever turn on my TV set again is to watch

baseball
football
House
and All My Children


so there.

269 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:10pm

re: #252 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Thanks, Mandy...love ya!


Safe hugs back...!

Don't want to catch a virus..
/best regards Pat..get better..

270 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:11pm

re: #161 Cognito

Cognito, I would normally agree with that, but this election has proved that someone with less than 2 years experience in the Senate, very rarely going on record to vote a position beyond "present" and on more than one occasion, shown to really be lost without the luxury of a teleprompter, can become President.

All at the same time, we have a similar situation unfolding in the middle east, comparable to Cuban Missile Crisis.

271 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:16pm

re: #226 Cognito

I don't care a whit for the gossipy bits. And if she were just going to head home and lead a long and productive life serving the citizens of Alaska, I wouldn't care about the substantial stuff.

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill. Conservatives are in a bad position right now, and they can't afford any surprises next time around.

The Obama couldn't handle a speech without a teleprompter. Remember all the times he fell off topic and "ummmed" and "awwwed" his way through his speaking engagements?

Sarah Palin gave her Convention speech without a teleprompter (through most of it.) It wasn't being operated correctly so she had to wing it through almost her entire speech.

This is why she spent most of the time looking into the camera.

If Obama can't give a speech without one and she can wing it (on national television with dozens of millions of people watching) and knock it out of the ballpark - which she did - she has more on the ball than the Obama.

272 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:22pm

re: #259 MandyManners

No- it's not going to fly. He could give it a go, if he dares. There's no way he'd win the nomination.

273 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:25pm

re: #165 jcm

The want a seat on the Obama plane.

But - everyone says it stinks!

274 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:26pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

Right.

And since I've never heard Bush explicitly deny that he carried out 9/11, why, that must prove that...

Truth be told, lots of people actually feel that way.

275 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:28pm

oh

maybe 24. I have to see how it goes.

276 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:29pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader


Thank you.

277 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:44pm

re: #262 kansas

Think you could get your money back? I didn't give a grand, but I would like to have my measly $150 back. I could buy the wife and me dinner and drinks.


Yeah I want a refund, especially since South Park just announced that McCain was part of the Obama campaign all along!

278 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:50pm

re: #251 Jetpilot1101

Prediction: much of the MSM goes bankrupt really soon. The economy is going to get really bad and carrying water for BHO will not pay the bills.

Seems like going bankrupt hasn't stopped them from Obama worship to this point.

279 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:50pm

Goodnight lizard. Dont forget to hold your head high.

280 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:55pm
281 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:17:58pm

re: #241 Cattt

No, on para two and three. Not everyone denies drivel. Some people assume people know drivel, and some people don't want to acknowledge drivel.

Yes on para four.

She MUST deny it.

People in positions of power don't deny accusations, because they are already in power. People seeking power -- given power -- must account, if they expect to win it.

Of course she doesn't have to answer to this. She doesn't have to do anything at all. But to say so is to assume she doesn't want to reach the White House in any role.

282 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:10pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.

I don't advocte him for national office, but I think he's a good governor, and I don't like that his beliefs are being used to sully that.

I also, sadly, think Palin is over. In a future Republican presidency, she might make a good energy secretery.

Right now I like Eric Cantor and Jim Talent. Besides them, I honestly don't know any appealing youngish conservatives.

283 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:17pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

"Outside of being a dark condiment, what else does Africa have to offer?"

--Krazy Kat

Tarzan.

284 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:22pm

re: #253 RTLM

Alright - I take that back. Greta is defending Palin.

I like Greta. She's pretty down to earth.

285 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:23pm

re: #197 kansas

How about passing a background check to be on your own fucking staff?

Nah, why would we do that when we have more stringent investigative procedures for working at McDonald's than we do for becoming the U.S. President?

286 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:25pm

re: #143 Opinionated

Things? plural? Yes, I remember the dumb thing she said about being able to see Russia. So what? Would you like to stack up her gaffes against any of the other candidates? I think she would be far behing the rest of the pack. Every one of her errors came in front of antagonistic reporters aiming to trip her up. BO and Biden made many more errors in front of reporters that were on their knees fellating these two.

287 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:18:41pm

Just a thought...
Hypothetically, if Obama/Biden had lost last night, their "staffers" would no doubt be looking to blame someone, as they would be needing another job on someone else's staff sometime soon. So who do you think they might blame? Themselves? Obama? He might run again, he's a big wheel in the party... have little doubt Joe Biden would be slammed so hard he'd have waffle iron marks.

288 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #252 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Thanks, Mandy...love ya!


Safe hugs back...!

Can you take something like Nytol or whatever for colds?

289 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #281 Cognito

She MUST deny it.

People in positions of power don't deny accusations, because they are already in power. People seeking power -- given power -- must account, if they expect to win it.

Of course she doesn't have to answer to this. She doesn't have to do anything at all. But to say so is to assume she doesn't want to reach the White House in any role.

Agreed - just saying that not denying something doesn't mean it is true.

290 onslow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:04pm

Sarah Palin is so stupid she didn't know FDR went on tv in 1929.

/anon crapweasel McCain staffer

291 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:05pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

The MSM ran with all sorts of lies about Palin and I don't see them suffering at all

292 gopninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:08pm

so it all comes out now, great. I said before this was a dumb pick. This is what happens when you pick a VP you barely know. I thought Romney may have been a good pick, but now learning about a little bit of backstabbing went on there too. But the deal with the clothing now, the horrid interviews, she didnt even know the true role of the VP. I wouldnt have picked her almost soley b/c of the investigations (whether they were valid or not is irrelevant, who picks a running mate under investigation? seriously?)

The Couric questions really werent unfair at all. I suspect theres worse footage they have that didnt make it out. I wouldnt have put her out there alone either.

I voiced my distaste for this ludicrous decision and people here attacked me. Well guess what guys, you and those beliefs part of the problem with our party.

293 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:20pm

re: #268 mama winger

The only reason I will ever turn on my TV set again is to watch

baseball
football
House
and All My Children


so there.

I've been watching NCIS reruns and on demand. The CSI shows are good too. I took Fox, MSNBC, and CNN off the cable scan. Can't stand it anymore.Seeing the Oreilly clip above makes this seem like a really good choice. I can get my news here.

294 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:28pm

re: #289 Cattt

Agreed - just saying that not denying something doesn't mean it is true.

...forgot to add - but of course, people will assume it does.

295 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:29pm

re: #280 descolada9

Let's not get carried away. He's suffered enough.

296 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:35pm

re: #161 Cognito

"More importantly: Even if the silliness isn't true, and she still just disappears into the north woods, I suspect she's finished as a White House hopeful. You've got to reassure people you're not a maroon."

Jesus christ, you don't wear your sexism and elitism on your sleeves, do you? What's the excuse for Joe Biden being out next V.P. then? "Oh that Joe, he's just being Joe. Silly Joe. He probably has a brain tumor anyway" And don't give me that "he's a lawyer" bullshit either.

Finished as a White House hopeful. Get real.

297 Intifan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:39pm

Now South Park has Sarah Palin in a skin tight leather thing...

298 DonkeyJawz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:42pm

Wow. And here I was worried that the left leaner News Media would ravage her. Yeah, this will help us.
I'm finding some of these claims to be a bit of a stretch.
I would think anyone who lived in Alaska and didn't know their only border
was with the North American country Canada would have a hard time not falling down. A lot!
I attended her campaign rally in Jefferson City, MO Monday morning, and I didn't see her fall down once. Missouri wouldn't have even have been close had it not have been for her.
I agree. Some hurting campaign staffers wanting to point fingers and engaging in some hyperbole.
McCain's time was pretty much now or never.

299 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:19:45pm

re: #245 Colin Nelson

#64 Cog

I'm amazed and totally surprised that you of all people are even for a moment buying the South Africa continent/country crapola.

Shame on you.

I've said consistently "if it's true."

I suspect we'll know whether it's true momentarily, when someone asks her if it is. The manner of her response will tell.

Look, I like Sarah Palin. I think she's cool, and I'd love to sit and talk with her. But I don't want to find out in four or eight years that she's not up to the task.

300 redvoter  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:14pm

Her alleged gaps in knowledge concern me greatly. Surely someone who wants to be President has to have some curiosity about the world around them? I mean, she should know the NAFTA countries, she helped negotiate the pipeline deal with one of the members. And not knowing if Africa was a country or continent? oy.

Her alleged unfamiliarity with basic principles of American Exceptionalism does not concern me all that much. She had an intuitive understanding of the doctrine, just not an academic one.

She also seemed to make plenty of fans as well as enemies in the campaign. In the end though what I took from this story is that she is a political amateur who just got fed up with the ruthless treatment she received from the media and overhandling of advisors. She is independent minded but the campaign, due to her gaps in knowledge, refused to let her loose. These stories are eerily similar to the Hillary Clinton tantrums talked about in the early '90s when she was faced with overwhelming scrutiny. Hillary matured, I am sure Sarah will as well.

anyways, as much as i like Palin, Bobby Jindal is still the guy to keep an eye on. Cool as ice during that hurricane and quite the technocrat.

301 USCMSNE  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:18pm

A while back, Howard Wolfson was on the Oreilly show and he claimed to have proof that Bush cronies profited on the bungling of the Katrina aftermath. Oreilly asked Wolfson if he could back that claim up, and he replied he'd provide the "evidence". That show was on a Monday and that following Thursday I emailed the show reminding them of the outlandish claims and their "promise" to air it. I'm still holding my breath///. I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'd wager this sensationalism is more of the same. The wife DVR'd the show to see what Rove had to say. We're watching it now.

302 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:22pm

re: #282 Palandine

There are pros and cons to any politician- his cons are pretty big though, and he's not ever going to be a viable national candidate.

303 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:25pm

re: #281 Cognito

Hey Cogs - I made you a T shirt

Just for you

I was thinking of you as I designed it. You were sort of my model, as it were.

304 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:25pm

re: #278 kansas

Seems like going bankrupt hasn't stopped them from Obama worship to this point.

They must figure he'll give them a multi-billion dollar bailout...

Hell, they gave him a two-year long tongue bath, he owes them.

305 FloridaAnole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:32pm

This is ridiculous, and is obviously an invention by some staffer who wants to clear the decks for his or her candidate in 2012.

I think I posted earlier today on a previous thread that American Spectator carried a story some days ago that it was former Romney staffers on the McCain campaign who put out the "Palin is a diva" story. So far as I know, Romney's own behavior has been unexceptionable, but he should probably smack some of his people (the loaners to the McCain campaign) over the head with a sledgehammer pronto. Same thing for Huck if these are his people, although I do notice that it was the Romney people who were all over the blogs during the campaign stating that if Mitt had been chosen VP the McCain campaign would be winning, etc. etc.

Anyhow, we don't need this crap right now, and we don't need Fox helping to stir the pot.

306 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:34pm

re: #291 SpartanWoman

The MSM ran with all sorts of lies about Palin and I don't see them suffering at all

News flash: The MSM in our society will never suffer, times they are a changing people.

307 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:42pm

re: #292 gopninja

There is so much wrong with that comment that I'm not going to bother, except to say bull.

308 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:47pm

re: #284 Cattt

Except for the whole "first dude" shit.

309 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:48pm

re: #278 kansas

Seems like going bankrupt hasn't stopped them from Obama worship to this point.

It won't stop the their worship but at least it won't be plastered all over the evening news. Couric, Olberman and the rest of their ilk can kiss his rear all they want, I don't want to hear about it. I think many of these media outlets are going to go belly up. When advertising dries up, they'll give up the ghost. NYT is darn close; within 2 years the old grey lady heads to the morgue.

310 Defector01  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:20:57pm

McCain needs to go away for a long while and not attempt to extract 'honor' by blaming Palin. Frankly the moderates in the republican party, who thought McCain would be the best candidate who siad he could win and that conservative republicans didn't know jack, are trying to avoid taking blame as well as lib dems.

311 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:00pm

Man we've got the hammer out for all the sombitches tonight! Creationists, Sarah, Romney Staffers, Fox, Greta Gutter, Carl "The Weasel," Huffglue, McDemocrat, Bobby The Exorcist, and the lovely and talented Cognito.

Did I miss anyone?

LOLMAO!

312 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:02pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

Right.

And since I've never heard Bush explicitly deny that he carried out 9/11, why, that must prove that...

See post 281.

(Cliff notes version: Because Bush was in power. Sarah Palin is not.)

313 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:05pm

The Zero won! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT! So they can either:
A. be real reporters and investigate the plans obama has for this country
B. snipe at the Zero's main fear: Sarah Palin

The hardest thing about being the winner is that now YOU should be the target. In the Zero's case, not even Fox will dare to cross him, never mind expose him.
It is going to be a very long 4 years.

314 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:15pm

re: #263 swamprat

I say the polls grossly exagerated Obama's lead and did their best to affect public opinion, why?

I followed Rasmussen. He had it exactly right.

Charles had a poll a couple of days ago and most here believed McCain would win. I found it amazing.

I prefer to base my opinions on a reality based on compelling evidence. Although it is not always pleasant.

315 gopninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:16pm

re: #292 gopninja

so it all comes out now, great. I said before this was a dumb pick. This is what happens when you pick a VP you barely know. I thought Romney may have been a good pick, but now learning about a little bit of backstabbing went on there too. But the deal with the clothing now, the horrid interviews, she didnt even know the true role of the VP. I wouldnt have picked her almost soley b/c of the investigations (whether they were valid or not is irrelevant, who picks a running mate under investigation? seriously?)

The Couric questions really werent unfair at all. I suspect theres worse footage they have that didnt make it out. I wouldnt have put her out there alone either.

I voiced my distaste for this ludicrous decision and people here attacked me. Well guess what guys, you and those beliefs part of the problem with our party.

misspoke, im not a republican, although i vote that way now. I am not in the mainstream social beliefs of the gop and i will be an I until that changes.

316 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:20pm

re: #292 gopninja

And it's not "our" party. I'm a Democrat, dammit.

317 ratherdashing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:22pm

I have trouble believing that her knowledge of geography is that poor. It was Palin's injection into the campaign that gave it life.

318 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:29pm

re: #234 nobamadada

Sorry to say this but I dont believe anyone was beating BO.

Anybody can be beat. Obama got about as many votes as GWB in '04. McCain came up with about 3 million less than Kerry. Numerical turnout was off by about 3 million despite the hype of record turn outs.

Who stayed home? Conservatives who didn't learn from '06 and too pissed at the McCain pick instead of real conservative.

Optimistic, real conservatism wins, Reagan showed us how. Gingrich used in '94. Since then the (R) party has been running to the middle selling "across the aisle" crap instead of advancing the conservative agenda.

319 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:21:45pm

re: #281 Cognito

She MUST deny it.

People in positions of power don't deny accusations, because they are already in power. People seeking power -- given power -- must account, if they expect to win it.

Of course she doesn't have to answer to this. She doesn't have to do anything at all. But to say so is to assume she doesn't want to reach the White House in any role.

The traditional kowtowing to Old Stream Media is dead, Cog.

320 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:05pm

The Wizard Of Washington starring Brack Obama, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton with many special guest stars.

321 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:12pm

re: #262 kansas

re: #243 Adina in Judea

I gave the McCain campaign $1000 starting when Sarah Palin was named as the VP candidate.

I think they owe her an apology (and I'd like one, too.)

Think you could get your money back? I didn't give a grand, but I would like to have my measly $150 back. I could buy the wife and me dinner and drinks.

I don't want my money back, but I would like the McCain Staffers to stop crying and to be decent towards Sarah Palin since they got my money because of her.

322 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:18pm

re: #270 formercorpsman

Cognito, I would normally agree with that, but this election has proved that someone with less than 2 years experience in the Senate, very rarely going on record to vote a position beyond "present" and on more than one occasion, shown to really be lost without the luxury of a teleprompter, can become President.

All at the same time, we have a similar situation unfolding in the middle east, comparable to Cuban Missile Crisis.

Of course. But that's an argument against Barack Obama. And a good one.

It's not an argument for Sarah Palin.

323 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:19pm

re: #52 Opinionated

You friggin a$$hat. Although she doesn't have an overinflated diploma from some pompous 'Ivy League' university, she didn't exactly graduate from some backwater school. It's like I've heard several times today already on national and local radio programs - people, even those that claim to be Republicans/Conservatives, are and will be out to destroy her. This has already been demonstrated.

324 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:20pm

re: #318 jcm

ahh this is true

325 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:27pm

Fratricide.

This is all positioning of pieces before the battle for leadership in congress and then the party.

You are watching sausage being made. I doubt McCain has a role - he is now out to pasture and won't be calling any more shots.

Part of creating a bloody battlefield is that it creates space for someone who is smart, worldly and both an economic and social conservative.

Enter Mitt Romney. In that man's camp you will find lever pullers. And in 4 years he may be a compelling candidate.

All is fair in love and war.

326 joshb  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:32pm

re: #142 kansas

With this shit, I've got to say it's looking like the right person won last night.

Ted Stevens?

327 alien_mind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:37pm

i fired off a scathing email to Fox, just to make myself feel better.
its one thing if they have her on tape, or name the sources. but to pass on unsourced disparaging hearsay is total BS and very Olbermanlike.

328 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:39pm

omg, that guy cannot even say the things that she does not know, hell some of it i did not know, and at one time in my life i thought africa was a just country too fucker

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:40pm

re: #68 sbvft contributor

jerks. picking on a girl. classless.

She's not a girl, she's a grown woman, and a very tough one at that. She'll get over it quite easily. But, yeah, classless.

Still, if the whole African country/continent thing is true, I'd be a hypocrite not to point out how terribly ignorant that is. On many occasions I have taken great pleasure in pointing and laughing at the multitude of liberals who have shown the same ignorance on that subject.

330 kynna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:50pm

I wonder when the memo went out to the news nets that they'd better take her out if they want access to the White House. Was it before the election or immediately after?

Just speculation of course, but Fox has been behaving awfully strangely the past few days.

331 gemchick  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:22:55pm

"McCain aides"? Uhm, aren't these the same people that blew McCain's post-convention bounce, you know, the one caused by his selection of Sarah Palin?

McCain's no conservative. He had my vote because no self-respecting conservative would vote for Barry O, but he's no conservative. He needed Sarah Palin or someone like her and he blew it.

Palin, Jindal, and others are the future of the conservative movement. Now's the time to capitalize on this.

And, Fox, get rid of that gas bag, er, bloviator, O'Reilly. I'm sick of him.

332 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:01pm

I reckon Barney Frank is impeccably versed in history and geography. Let's elect him president.

333 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:07pm

re: #141 sagamoregal

O'Reilly being O'Reilly. Jeez, I've felt 100 times better in the last 24 hours by tuning out Fox News.

Big Bill is still pissed Sarah never came on his show.

Sarah will still be around when John Sidney McCain retires to any one of his 10 (or is it 12?) homes.

Bet John wouldn't treat Hillary as badly as he's about to treat Sarah.

This is why he lost the election. People supposedly on his side can't wait to trust any scurrilous gossip, and can't wait to bitch and moan about what a horrible man John McCain is. It really is damned pathetic. I went to his rally in Henderson, NV Monday night. It was his 6th of the day, and he was absolutely amazing. He said in a barnburner of a political speech more about fiscal conservatism, ethics in government, and actual support of the military and the mission than I have heard out of GW Bush in 8 years.

Today I listened to the opening of Mark Levin's and Glenn Beck's radio shows--and both savaged McCain as a RINO, and both ranted about "no more RINO moderates" for candidates for the GOP.

If people had actually supported McCain from the time he won the nomination instead of looking for every opportunity to bash him, the election might have been different. McCain lost because of poor GOP turnout.

McCain WAS NOT my guy in the primaries. He wasn't my second or even third choice. But once he was the nominee, I supported him wholeheartedly, because I'm a military wife and I understand the stakes. And I watched for 6 months while supposed loyal republicans tore him down, and ranted that he wasn't worth going to the polls for, and blah, blah, blah.

334 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:11pm

re: #262 kansas

Think you could get your money back? I didn't give a grand, but I would like to have my measly $150 back. I could buy the wife and me dinner and drinks.

* * *
Your defeatism and attempt to write Sarah Palin off is not helpful. You shouldn't have sent in your lousy $150 bucks if you needed it to feed yourself and your wife. I wouldn't want you in my foxhole.

335 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:12pm

re: #320 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Wizard Of Washington starring Brack Obama, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton with many special guest stars.

PIMF- Barack

336 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:13pm

re: #268 mama winger

The only reason I will ever turn on my TV set again is to watch

baseball
football
House
and All My Children


so there.

You forgot basketball..Tell the truth Mama..
It was you I saw at the 8 sec a couple of weeks ago at 3am with some ballers. I Heard your entourage shot the place up after you made it rain..
:)

337 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:35pm

re: #299 Cognito

I've said consistently "if it's true."

I suspect we'll know whether it's true momentarily, when someone asks her if it is. The manner of her response will tell.

Look, I like Sarah Palin. I think she's cool, and I'd love to sit and talk with her. But I don't want to find out in four or eight years that she's not up to the task.

I've consistently said "If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle". Cmon. Give me a break, please. I think she owes nothing now. She took her public trashing like a really big person. If it were me, all you would see is my middle finger.

338 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:41pm

re: #312 Cognito

See post 281.

(Cliff notes version: Because Bush was in power. Sarah Palin is not.)

Given that Obama never had to deny or admit to anything...

339 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:43pm

Good South Park tonight.

340 Defector01  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:57pm

re: #327 alien_mind

I don't blame fox for reporting real news, I blame McCain's camp in trying to pass off the blame of this campaign on her when she's responsible for bringing in such a big chunk of republicans

341 nobamadada  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:23:58pm

re: #324 nobamadada

ahh this is true

So who from the GOP party would have gave a the pres elect a better run for his money?

342 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:03pm

re: #308 NYCHardhat

Except for the whole "first dude" shit.

I LOVED that stuff. Best interview evah.

343 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:07pm

Ron Silver/Christopher Walken 2012

344 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:10pm

re: #292 gopninja

I've restrained myself the past 24 hours out of respect for Charles and Mr. Beaumont, and I'll do so again.

345 martinleaf  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:10pm

The new theme song for America should be "Welcome Back Carter" sung to the tune of Welcome back Kotter


Four more years of little Jimmi.

346 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:12pm

re: #336 HoosierHoops

I DO watch college basketball, yes! Not the pros tho - bunch of thugs IMO.

347 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #311 Sol Roth

Man we've got the hammer out for all the sombitches tonight! Creationists, Sarah, Romney Staffers, Fox, Greta Gutter, Carl "The Weasel," Huffglue, McDemocrat, Bobby The Exorcist, and the lovely and talented Cognito.

Did I miss anyone?

LOLMAO!

I'm not enjoying this. We're attacking each other. Any trolls reading this thread are probably laughing their asses off.

348 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:20pm

Fox's ratings probably tumbled when election fever ended. This is a good way to keep 'em coming, before they go back to Peterson.

349 Old Buick Tanker  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:21pm

re: #36 starfox5253

This makes me ill... She's the best thing the GOP has going for it right now, and she's the reason it wasn't a TOTAL blowout... you'd think they'd show a little respect. Jerks.

re: #41 SpartanWoman

As for McCain "staffers", they took better care of Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers than they did of Palin


Thumbs up to the both of you. If it wasn't for Sarah Palin, I wouldn't have bothered voting for McCain (he's a good Dem after all).

In the last 30 years, I've watched the Republicans turn into Democrats and the Democrats turn into raving Socialists.

I'm pretty much done with the Republican party. Bunch of dinner-party bastards with no balls.

350 littleO  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:36pm

Don't care whether the lingo/rumor is true or not. Sarah Palin was a gimmick. It wasn't John McCain's 'turn' . Now conservatives have to rebuild a party. The trouble is the new conservatives may never be able to rebuild the original republic and it's promise.

351 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:24:40pm

re: #296 sagamoregal

That's not my personal wish. It's just reality.

People don't take political hits like this and survive, without fighting back.

352 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:40pm

re: #312 Cognito

(Cliff notes version: Because Bush was in power. Sarah Palin is not.)

Really? I coulda sworn that she's Governor of Africa or something.

353 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:41pm

re: #343 NYCHardhat

Ron Silver/Christopher Walken 2012

AWESOME.

Robert Duvall for Secretary of State.

354 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:46pm

re: #300 redvoter

Her alleged gaps in knowledge concern me greatly. Surely someone who wants to be President has to have some curiosity about the world around them? I mean, she should know the NAFTA countries, she helped negotiate the pipeline deal with one of the members. And not knowing if Africa was a country or continent? oy.

Her alleged unfamiliarity with basic principles of American Exceptionalism does not concern me all that much. She had an intuitive understanding of the doctrine, just not an academic one.

She also seemed to make plenty of fans as well as enemies in the campaign. In the end though what I took from this story is that she is a political amateur who just got fed up with the ruthless treatment she received from the media and overhandling of advisors. She is independent minded but the campaign, due to her gaps in knowledge, refused to let her loose. These stories are eerily similar to the Hillary Clinton tantrums talked about in the early '90s when she was faced with overwhelming scrutiny. Hillary matured, I am sure Sarah will as well.

anyways, as much as i like Palin, Bobby Jindal is still the guy to keep an eye on. Cool as ice during that hurricane and quite the technocrat.

you can't be serious

355 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:49pm

Did they cover Michelle's dress?

356 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:59pm

re: #291 SpartanWoman

The CBC "National Newz" with Neil MacDonald "reported" (in all seriousness) a blog entry from KKKOS about the "real" mother of Trig...Now that was "news" -- CBC style -- an outright lie picked up off the Internet from a sleazy, disgusting blog site. Trust the CBC? Never. Ditto for the rest of these outfits.

357 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:25:59pm

re: #351 Cognito

That's not my personal wish. It's just reality.

People don't take political hits like this and survive, without fighting back.

THIS is a hit? It's GOSSIP. Jiminy Christmas

and you didn't say whether or not you liked my gift to you

358 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:22pm

wouldn't it be nice to see McCain come out and call BS then;

Use the opportunity to highlight the scary things that happened today because our enemies see Obama as a lightweight.
Remind the public that our federal government was set up to fulfill a very small number of duties like national defense, not to give out free cheese.
Tell the EU they've got to step up because we'll soon be too busy with cheese distribution to take an active role in their defense.

359 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:25pm

re: #286 daledog

Things? plural? Yes, I remember the dumb thing she said about being able to see Russia. So what? Would you like to stack up her gaffes against any of the other candidates? I think she would be far behing the rest of the pack. Every one of her errors came in front of antagonistic reporters aiming to trip her up. BO and Biden made many more errors in front of reporters that were on their knees fellating these two.

These are not gaffes. We are all human. We all makes gaffes sometime.

Obama knows that there are only 50 States- not 57

These are evidence of a lack of knowledge that would embarrass you if made by your school age children. But some think OK from a VP candidate because "they like her".

I like her too. She has a charming attractive way about her. But she should never have been a nominee for VP this year.

360 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:26pm

re: #299 Cognito

I've said consistently "if it's true."

I suspect we'll know whether it's true momentarily, when someone asks her if it is. The manner of her response will tell.

Look, I like Sarah Palin. I think she's cool, and I'd love to sit and talk with her. But I don't want to find out in four or eight years that she's not up to the task.

Shut up.

361 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:32pm

re: #353 Cattt

We gotta get James Woods in there.

362 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:36pm

re: #282 Palandine

I don't advocte him for national office, but I think he's a good governor, and I don't like that his beliefs are being used to sully that.

I also, sadly, think Palin is over. In a future Republican presidency, she might make a good energy secretery.

Right now I like Eric Cantor and Jim Talent. Besides them, I honestly don't know any appealing youngish conservatives.

* * *
You depressed people hiding behind your anonymity, trashing a fighter frontierwoman with guts like Sarah Palin who fought corrupt powerful people when she was a nobody with everything to lose are beneath contempt.

363 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:46pm

re: #338 SpartanWoman

Given that Obama never had to deny or admit to anything...

Again. Obama is not the new measure of what a president should be.

It's not about comparisons. It's about taking a practical stance on the next presidential election, and knowing fully who our guy or gal is. If the stuff about Sarah Palin isn't true -- the substantial stuff, not the fluff -- then I look forward to hearing her laugh it off.

364 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:49pm

re: #320 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Wizard Of Washington starring Brack Obama, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton with many special guest stars.

"Just follow this road, and it will take you straight to the White House?"

"You mean the Yellow Brick Road?"

"Actually, it's now Martin Luther King Blvd., since the city council renamed it in 1973."

365 Ozymandias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:51pm

re: #287 Yankee Division Son

So who do you think they might blame? Themselves? Obama? He might run again, he's a big wheel in the party... have little doubt Joe Biden would be slammed so hard he'd have waffle iron marks.

oooh can you imagine it, if only, if only...joe's lucky he's lucky

366 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:26:56pm

re: #360 Wishing

Shut up.

THANK YOU

367 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:27:13pm

re: #172 J.S.

Hey, wait a second...At first glance here about NAFTA -- the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the U.S. which this "reporter" claims Palin didn't know about it? On the face of it -- I don't believe that...why? Because one of the pipe lines being built in Alaska (which she constantly referred to) is being built by a CANADIAN firm...On the face of it, I don't trust FOX. Need to investigate further.

But NAFTA includes Mexico and supersedes the old bilateral FTA.

368 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:27:15pm
369 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:27:32pm

re: #357 mama winger

THIS is a hit? It's GOSSIP. Jiminy Christmas

and you didn't say whether or not you liked my gift to you

He should be very grateful

370 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:27:39pm

This behavior by McCain's aides reveals something really wrong with American society. Instead of anyone taking responsibility for their actions, they engage in an orgy of spin, blame deflection and recrimination. Examples are almost endless...George Tenant should have resigned immediately after 9-11, Wall Street criminals walk away with millions after driving once profitable companies into the sewer, incompetent Generals who were timid in Iraq get promoted. I could go on but you get the picture. The American character is not what it once was. This is just as scary and dangerous to our future as Barry's election.

371 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:27:53pm

Folks - McCain does not have a dog in this fight. He is a non-entity because he has nothing to offer any future standard bearer accept a polite acknowledgment at the next convention.

This is the work of someone who wants to knock down Palin for 2012.

She is tough and this will make her tougher.

As for "McCain staffers" remember that many of these were "Bush staffers" before that and "Dole staffers" before that. A subset is looking at what hits they can get in for their next gig before the spotlight is completely gone in the next 48 hours.

Battlefield prep. Don't buy it, even if it seems plausible.

372 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:00pm

re: #334 alegrias

* * *
Your defeatism and attempt to write Sarah Palin off is not helpful. You shouldn't have sent in your lousy $150 bucks if you needed it to feed yourself and your wife. I wouldn't want you in my foxhole.

I don't need the money to feed myself, I said take her to dinner. And it's not my attempt to write Palin off, its my observation that she is written off. Its not me that's bad mouthing her. Doesnt look like your wishful thinking got anywhere does it?

373 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:08pm

re: #320 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Wizard Of Washington starring Brack Obama, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton with many special guest stars.

I LOVE IT!

374 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:09pm

re: #352 Occasional Reader

Really? I coulda sworn that she's Governor of Africa or something.

Not about that.

As I said a moment ago, if she were just going to head home and lead a long and productive life serving the citizens of Alaska, I wouldn't care about the substantial stuff. (And I don't care about the gossipy stuff, either way.)

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill.

375 E.T.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:13pm

Fox nicely hid that little multimillion dollar payoff for Bill o's little sexual harassment escapade ... now they are pushing trash on Palin ... figures ...

376 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:29pm

re: #351 Cognito

That's not my personal wish. It's just reality.

People don't take political hits like this and survive, without fighting back.

I think you have to include the sexism angle. How will people react to HER denying stuff versus Biden, for example, doing it? Hey -- good old boy Joe - crazy guy. Bimbo alert! Hubba hubba. She can't just put on a pantsuit and lower her voice two octaves and turn into Hillary - and it wouldn't help - they blasted Hillary for everything from her head to her toes.

377 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:32pm
378 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:34pm

re: #346 mama winger

I DO watch college basketball, yes! Not the pros tho - bunch of thugs IMO.

Lov'n ya..
Hey is not the big dance the most exciting sporting event of the year?
I'm totally into college ball..
My bracket last year was Sh*t.

379 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #363 Cognito

Again. Obama is not the new measure of what a president should be.

It's not about comparisons. It's about taking a practical stance on the next presidential election, and knowing fully who our guy or gal is. If the stuff about Sarah Palin isn't true -- the substantial stuff, not the fluff -- then I look forward to hearing her laugh it off.


I still say that the need to deny any bit of crap by holding a press conference is psychotic

380 redvoter  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:37pm

re: #216 Wishing

Fox news is NOT our friend.

Things are about to get worse.

Rupert Murdoch, thanks to his honey trap wife, has apparently become a kool aid drinking liberal. Especially on the man made global warming issue. He supposedly is now embarassed by the network, does not like roger Ailes or O'Reilly and sought out a number of times a personal meeting with Obama before the One finally granted him a meeting to complain about Fox News.

he is 78 years old, his 34 year old son is set to take over News Corp. when he goes. His son is already a moonbat and hangs with Al Gore. Rupert still respects the free market and the success of Fox News, and also still believes in balanced journalism but his son could be an ideologue.

Would be a damn shame to lose Fox, New York Post and Wall Street Journal. I just can't stand it. Maybe Mel Gibson will like to become a media mogul? He has enough capital to get started.

381 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:41pm

re: #356 J.S.

The CBC "National Newz" with Neil MacDonald "reported" (in all seriousness) a blog entry from KKKOS about the "real" mother of Trig...Now that was "news" -- CBC style -- an outright lie picked up off the Internet from a sleazy, disgusting blog site. Trust the CBC? Never. Ditto for the rest of these outfits.

There was a MAJOR news organization, I don't remember if it was AP, that reported a story from "The Onion" as real news a couple years ago.

382 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:28:54pm

How much did Michelle waste on that dress?
The Pres-elect's suit was custom made.
Now that's spreading the wealth around.

383 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:00pm

re: #374 Cognito

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill.

I want to know if you can shut the hell up.

384 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:08pm

re: #370 MrPaulRevere

This behavior by McCain's aides reveals something really wrong with American society. Instead of anyone taking responsibility for their actions, they engage in an orgy of spin, blame deflection and recrimination. Examples are almost endless...George Tenant should have resigned immediately after 9-11, Wall Street criminals walk away with millions after driving once profitable companies into the sewer, incompetent Generals who were timid in Iraq get promoted. I could go on but you get the picture. The American character is not what it once was. This is just as scary and dangerous to our future as Barry's election.

True, that.

385 deanyc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:20pm

My feeling is: Get rid of McCain. He's doing what he's what he's always done: Posturing to make himself look good at the expense of the party's future. Eff U, McCain.

386 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:20pm

re: #336 HoosierHoops

You forgot basketball..Tell the truth Mama..
It was you I saw at the 8 sec a couple of weeks ago at 3am with some ballers. I Heard your entourage shot the place up after you made it rain..
:)


and lost, although i could save money and just watch it online since i still have not got one of those dandy little converter boxes and in feburary my tv will be a fish tank

387 devil in baggy pants  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:30pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding down anyone advocating Jindal from here on out. Sorry- the man is unelectable nationally and the sooner we come to grips with it, the sooner we can think of better candidates.


Agreed. Although he, with the notable exception of the creationism issue, is doing some great things in LA, he is not ready for the big time.

We need a Reagan Republican, not a social issue Republican. Someone who espouses true conservatism.

388 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:35pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

If people here or anywhere don't think the exorcism curing cancer thing isn't lethal, then I'm clueless as to what to say. That's fringe territory.

It may or may not be politically lethal.

I personally am not particularly concerned about a weird religious experience that Jindal wrote about when he was in his early twenties.
I don't particularly care if Obama did cocaine when he was young, either.

Above all, I am not particularly concerned about the private theological beliefs of others. I might personally find much of Mormon theology downright silly, e.g., but I would not hesitate to vote for Romney.

I think the ID law is highly important in judging Jindal, but the exorcism thing is not. In fact, I think harping on it is a cheap shot.

Of course, politics is full of cheap shots, so it may be lethal!

389 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:41pm

re: #360 Wishing

Shut up.

That's an excellent argument. Should play well in 2012.

All I'm saying is that we should know our leaders, good and bad. It's the honest position.

(And, for posterity's sake: I'm not talking about silly office gossip about how she made some intern cry, or whatever.)

390 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:44pm

re: #323 Quad Mocha Matti

You friggin a$$hat. Although she doesn't have an overinflated diploma from some pompous 'Ivy League' university, she didn't exactly graduate from some backwater school. It's like I've heard several times today already on national and local radio programs - people, even those that claim to be Republicans/Conservatives, are and will be out to destroy her. This has already been demonstrated.

Don't be upset with me, I know Africa is a continent. And maybe so do you.

And I bet even without an Ivy League diploma that is pretty common knowledge.

391 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:45pm

re: #343 NYCHardhat

Ron Silver/Christopher Walken 2012

Gotta have Jeff Goldblum in there too. Him and Chris Walken could carry on an hours long conversation with just the words, ah, um, oh, and hey.

392 kynna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:47pm

re: #334 alegrias

* * *
Your defeatism and attempt to write Sarah Palin off is not helpful. You shouldn't have sent in your lousy $150 bucks if you needed it to feed yourself and your wife. I wouldn't want you in my foxhole.

I think they're saying they want McCain to give the money back since his staffers are throwing Palin under the bus.

Of course, we don't know that for certain because none of the cowards will go on the record.

But I'd look for any McCain staffers that end up working somewhere in the Obama administration.

393 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:49pm

re: #361 NYCHardhat

We gotta get James Woods in there.

Oh boy. Yes, we do.

394 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:29:58pm

re: #383 mama winger

right on, mama!

395 Colin Nelson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:00pm

#226 Cog.

Are you looking for her "knowledgeability "too?

Check Cameron's wordsmithing.

396 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:25pm

re: #383 mama winger

I want to know if you can shut the hell up.

God bless you. (((Mama)))

397 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:28pm

re: #361 NYCHardhat

We gotta get James Woods in there.

I have James Woods.

398 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:34pm

re: #355 FightingBack

Did they cover Michelle's dress?

Commie-red and Black Power-black.

399 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:40pm
400 fairnbalanced  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:42pm

#20, #44 Ditto
Let's see, the at-last-count third iteration of the McCain team - who make their living dispensing political wisdom and strategy - get their ass handed to them for 20 straight months by the Obama team. So they need an easily accepted scapegoat so that they can deflect blame and get new gigs. Could there be a better scapegoat than Sarah, a high profile outsider with few connections inside the beltway?

This is 'straight talk'? Apparently the buck stops...in Alaska?

As for Nafta - I'm betting she forgot about Canada, who doesn't?
As for Africa - out of context.
As for 'tantrums'- we have all been frustrated with the news clippings over the last three months, imagine how frustrated she had to be.

401 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:42pm

re: #374 Cognito

Not about that.

As I said a moment ago, if she were just going to head home and lead a long and productive life serving the citizens of Alaska, I wouldn't care about the substantial stuff. (And I don't care about the gossipy stuff, either way.)

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill.

You're a journalist, aren't you? Go do some journalism and find out! Report back Fall of '12 w/ your results. And none of that Lefty slant stuff, got it?

402 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:30:58pm

re: #325 karmic_inquisitor

Romney and his nasty minions will never get my support. They are the ones who sandbagged Palin from the get-go, because they were so furious their guy wasn't the nominee, and then wasn't McCain's VP pick.

403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:31:04pm

re: #373 MandyManners

I LOVE IT!

Joe Lieberman as Toto, how cute! : )

404 ASU86PE  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:31:17pm

re: #102 maddogg
I'M 100% WITH THAT!

There has got to be a place this guy works that must be 'Smokin' on fire for God!

405 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:31:35pm

re: #374 Cognito

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill.

She can give an entire Convention speech with a malfunctioning teleprompter.

Lord Barry can't do that.

Sarah did it in front of tens of millions of people without missing a beat.

406 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:31:52pm

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

Precisely.

407 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:05pm

Once again, I find myself so pleased I don't have cable tv and thus do not have the ability to be supporting fox news.

Down with the msm. They get no more money from me. And the entertainment industry- I support them so little as it is, I'm not going to feel guilty for paying the box office to see the last of the Harry Potter movies.

The next time any of you guys or gals feel the urge to spend money on the msm- please reconsider and give that money to something more noble and worthy- hit the LGF tip jar instead.

408 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:08pm

re: #376 Cattt

Again, it's not about comparison. It's not about Obama. Not about Biden. It's about knowing the candidates we field. Assuming, of course, that she is planning on staying on the national stage.

And heck, she may come forth and blast her naysayers to the Great Ballot Box in the Sky, and that'll be great. But that's what I think it will take, at this point.

409 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:29pm

re: #373 MandyManners

I LOVE IT!

Really Priceless! Don't get in the balloon, Dorothy!

410 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:41pm

re: #360 Wishing

Shut up.

Perhaps if we employed the cone of silence.

411 Florida Lady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:48pm

Now when is Major Garrett, who covered The One's campaign for Fox, going to dump all the behind the scenes s*** between Obama & Biden? Cause you know there was some . . .

Just sayin' . . .

412 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:49pm

Come on folks, the games afoot,

Murdock is only thinking of potential business losses, therefore he must burn the books in the fireplace before the arrival of the FCC brown shirts!
WELCOME TO AMERIKA COMRADES!

And by the way...my AMERICAN flag is now off the pole and folded!
I'll put it up when the next civil war starts or when this "social" exercises is over. So people elected a devote SOCIALIST, whatever, I will not fly the stars and stripes that so many generations fought and died for lest I disgrace it. I've ordered a french flag 3X5...inch and will staple it to the bottom of my flag pole for the next 4 years or less:}

413 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:32:59pm

re: #405 Adina in Judea

She can give an entire Convention speech with a malfunctioning teleprompter.

Lord Barry can't do that.

Sarah did it in front of tens of millions of people without missing a beat.

That doesn't make presidential material. Not for him, not for her.

It's not about comparisons.

414 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:12pm

re: #377 buzzsawmonkey

Palin was completely loyal and supportive of McCain in every interview or appearance I saw her make. She was always at pains to remind people who was at the top of the ticket, in glowing terms--a sharp contrast to Joe Biden.

I'd rather see inexperience at the bottom of the ticket than the top. The American electorate chose otherwise, and went with callowness at the top.

Absolutely!

Great post!

415 Capitalistincharge  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:16pm

Just fricking perfect. Fox news becoming the petty gossip mongers, their reporters obviously feeling the need to catch up to MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN etc on piling it on the Republicans, and joining the bandwagon with the rest of the assholes on PDS. I am sick of this crap. I am beyond disgusted and OReilly/Fox has now joined the rest of the irrelavent channels. I am done with politics, done with the party, done, done, done. I'm joining Cartman in saying "see ya around".

416 DANEgerus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:24pm

Typical McCain, kinder words for Obama then a true conservative like Palin.

Fine... McCain gave it a go. But we're better off with naked (D)emocrat hypocritical Communism then RINOs.

417 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:32pm

re: #314 Opinionated

Most had Obama by 10 percentage points, some had more. I don't know about rass, but many polls were wildly unrealistic until just before the election, then they became more believable.

418 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:48pm

re: #411 Florida Lady

Now when is Major Garrett, who covered The One's campaign for Fox, going to dump all the behind the scenes s*** between Obama & Biden? Cause you know there was some . . .

Just sayin' . . .

Uhhh...after the 2012 elections? If O loses.

419 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:48pm

re: #339 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Good South Park tonight.

I'll make sure to catch the rerun later. I'm watching Law & Order right now.

420 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:33:50pm

re: #412 nightwatch

Come on folks, the games afoot,

Murdock is only thinking of potential business losses, therefore he must burn the books in the fireplace before the arrival of the FCC brown shirts!
WELCOME TO AMERIKA COMRADES!

And by the way...my AMERICAN flag is now off the pole and folded!
I'll put it up when the next civil war starts or when this "social" exercises is over. So people elected a devote SOCIALIST, whatever, I will not fly the stars and stripes that so many generations fought and died for lest I disgrace it. I've ordered a french flag 3X5...inch and will staple it to the bottom of my flag pole for the next 4 years or less:}

I'm guessing it's an all white flag.

421 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:02pm

First, we don't have any context for these allegations. Was she harried or was her mind on something else when a specific topic was thrown out? And her distraction was interpreted as lack of knowledge?

Second, "campaign sources" can say anything they want and have their anonymity maintained. But the content of their revelations can not be investigated as long as they are nameless.

Third, Steve Schmidt has already said in an interview last week, when asked if Palin would be blamed should McCain lose, that "we'll have to wait to see if he loses".

Carl Cameron was within his rights to report the claims of these unnamed "campaign sources". But we are free to be skeptical of them until we have further corroboration.

422 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:15pm

Remember, the media is easily distracted. Hey, look, Paris Hilton for President!

(Just kidding - the U.S. Constitutio specifies you have to be born on this planet to qualify as president.)

423 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:21pm

re: #310 Defector01

McCain needs to go away for a long while and not attempt to extract 'honor' by blaming Palin. Frankly the moderates in the republican party, who thought McCain would be the best candidate who siad he could win and that conservative republicans didn't know jack, are trying to avoid taking blame as well as lib dems.

* * *
Well guess what, McCain's not going away because he still has his day job in the Senate, like John Kerry did in 2004.

424 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:24pm

re: #415 Capitalistincharge

We'll make all the decisions for you.

425 redvoter  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:31pm

re: #327 alien_mind

i fired off a scathing email to Fox, just to make myself feel better.
its one thing if they have her on tape, or name the sources. but to pass on unsourced disparaging hearsay is total BS and very Olbermanlike.

If Nicole Wallace is the source, I would be absolutely livid. I have seen Wallace numerous times "advocate" for the McCain campaign and she was unconvincing in every possible way. Her name keeps coming up with these rifts though.

426 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:32pm

Fly the flag inverted because the country has been highjacked.

427 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:36pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Perhaps if we employed the cone of silence.

Think about what you're saying.

I've said, "Hmmm. If it's true -- and only if it's true -- that she can't name South Africa as a country, then she's not a good leader for conservatives."

And you've said, "Shhh... be silent."

Think about that.

428 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:55pm

re: #408 Cognito

And heck, she may come forth and blast her naysayers to the Great Ballot Box in the Sky, and that'll be great. But that's what I think it will take, at this point.

When people went crazy and said that she wasn't Trig's mother, she didn't go nuts in public about it. She announced that Bristol is expecting a baby now herself.

She's a class act.

She's not going to get into these petty staffers' crap.

Nor should she.

429 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:57pm

re: #413 Cognito

That doesn't make presidential material. Not for him, not for her.

It's not about comparisons.

Gosh I wish some thug would steal your laptop, and your home computer and your business computer and the computer at the library close to your house and the computers of all your living relatives.

430 FloridaAnole  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:34:58pm

re: #190 Spiny Norman

You mean the one that "she could see Russia form her back door"?

That was Tina Fey who said that on SNL. Unfortunately for Sarah, too many people have conflated Tina's SNL shtick with reality, and have repeated it as if Sarah said it.

431 Sol Roth  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:35:22pm

There's one good story to come out of this election.

Vietnam veteran Realwest and his 84 year old mother made it to the polls. They are both so frail from (he) cancer and (she) age they had to stay in the car and vote with an attendant.

I'll never forget that.


/hasta manana y'all.

432 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:35:31pm

re: #411 Florida Lady

Now when is Major Garrett, who covered The One's campaign for Fox, going to dump all the behind the scenes s*** between Obama & Biden? Cause you know there was some . . .

Just sayin' . . .

Uh, no. Fox wants "access". Nothing negative about the Messiah will be forthcoming. Ever.

The fact that Fox is going with 2nd and 3rd-hand gossip is really no surprise, they ARE "National Enquirer TV" after all.

433 kemaste  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:35:51pm

The enthusiasm employed by that sputtering creep to pass along the latest insider gossip is a real stomach turner! He was practically frothing at the mouth. Whoever said there's no honor among thieves should check out the malodorous skid-marks at the end of the campaign trail..

434 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:35:55pm

re: #367 Moe Katz

I would assume everyone KNOWS that -- and especially a Govenor working directly with the gas/pipeline industry. It's Under NAFTA -- the North American Free Trade Agreeement which everyone knows includes Canada, Mexico, U.S.

435 Junior  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:35:59pm

If McCain staffers thought that they would have received anywhere NEAR 55M votes this election without Palin they are just as stupid as the boneheads who thought nominating McCain was the way to go in the first place.

Republican party needs to be PURGED of these middle-ground LOSERS. That's all they've done since they took over the party; lose elections!

436 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:05pm

re: #428 Adina in Judea

When people went crazy and said that she wasn't Trig's mother, she didn't go nuts in public about it. She announced that Bristol is expecting a baby now herself.

She's a class act.

She's not going to get into these petty staffers' crap.

Nor should she.

She's not obligated to, no.

But if she wants to stay on the national stage, she will.

437 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:06pm

re: #389 Cognito

That's an excellent argument. Should play well in 2012.

All I'm saying is that we should know our leaders, good and bad. It's the honest position.

(And, for posterity's sake: I'm not talking about silly office gossip about how she made some intern cry, or whatever.)

KNOW OUR LEADERS? That is bullshit! Since fricking when do we know our leaders? I can count ones we perhaps know on one hand - most of them are full of shit!

OUR LEADERS are a bunch of flim-flam men! women! They are slick suits with promotional personalities, and leaked pecadillos IF and only if the backroom boys don't like them (or they get caught red - um - handed). We know their bios! We know what they want us to know (unless their mistress runs a tape on them or a cop catches them doing the nasty in the mens room).

When we DO have a decent man or woman, the boys from DC DESTROY THEM. Frank Capra was right!

438 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:08pm

re: #357 mama winger

THIS is a hit? It's GOSSIP. Jiminy Christmas

and you didn't say whether or not you liked my gift to you

And it's not even quality gossip.

I mean, seriously! This is bullshit.

439 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:29pm

re: #420 Jetpilot1101

No...TRI-color me thinks. But I'll take the hit anyway:[

440 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:30pm

re: #412 nightwatch

Come on folks, the games afoot,

Murdock is only thinking of potential business losses, therefore he must burn the books in the fireplace before the arrival of the FCC brown shirts!
WELCOME TO AMERIKA COMRADES!

And by the way...my AMERICAN flag is now off the pole and folded!
I'll put it up when the next civil war starts or when this "social" exercises is over. So people elected a devote SOCIALIST, whatever, I will not fly the stars and stripes that so many generations fought and died for lest I disgrace it. I've ordered a french flag 3X5...inch and will staple it to the bottom of my flag pole for the next 4 years or less:}

My flag flies high and will continue regardless. If the worst happens a Gadsden flag goes up next to i.t

441 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:38pm

re: #386 bcgirl

and lost, although i could save money and just watch it online since i still have not got one of those dandy little converter boxes and in feburary my tv will be a fish tank

hiya bcgirl!
I had about 30 different replies ready to post...And as I watch the Cav's on Hi-def..I don't know what to say...
A fish tank? I can't live without my science channel and all the sports..
Well i like Jay Leno too..

442 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:36:53pm

re: #429 mama winger

Gosh I wish some thug would steal your laptop, and your home computer and your business computer and the computer at the library close to your house and the computers of all your living relatives.

And he didn't even thank you for the T shirt after you had his picture specially commissioned!

443 Bloodnok  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:06pm

re: #407 Sharmuta

Once again, I find myself so pleased I don't have cable tv and thus do not have the ability to be supporting fox news.

Down with the msm. They get no more money from me. And the entertainment industry- I support them so little as it is, I'm not going to feel guilty for paying the box office to see the last of the Harry Potter movies.

The next time any of you guys or gals feel the urge to spend money on the msm- please reconsider and give that money to something more noble and worthy- hit the LGF tip jar instead.

I was thinking the same thing all day. Why do I still have cable?

444 Catttt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:06pm

re: #399 Iron Fist

I didn't know that. I'm sorry. Do they have a 12 step program for it?

I mainly keep it that way so I can shock people by saying "so am I" when they say "I'm a Democrat!" :D

445 BignJames  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:10pm

re: #429 mama winger


Think that'll cover it?

446 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:18pm

re: #188 MandyManners

To me, it's on the same page as claiming that there was no landing on the moon.

I disagree. There are many, many people who believe prayer cures illness. And many believe in the possibility of miracles. This is NOT the same thing as being a Christian Scientist or believing that this is the normal way cures happen.
If either Jindal or the New Oxford Review had thought this was a normal event, they wouldn't have bothered with the story!

447 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:19pm

re: #430 FloridaAnole

That was Tina Fey who said that on SNL. Unfortunately for Sarah, too many people have conflated Tina's SNL shtick with reality, and have repeated it as if Sarah said it.

I know that. That's why I used that one.

;^)

448 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:28pm

re: #426 NYCHardhat


back on your meds

449 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:37pm

The American people really liked Sarah Palin.
In different circumstances, she could unite the nation, much as Reagan did.
I hope she has time to recover from the whirlwind and make some tough decisions on where to go/ what to do from here.
Fortunately she has a loving family to go home to, and thank God she didnt have to come HERE for some recovery time.

450 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:46pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Commie-red and Black Power-black.

According to the Chicago Sun-Times or Tribune, I don't remember which one, it was designed by some "famous" designer named Rodriguez, was shown in some Paris fashion show last spring, and cost $14K.

451 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:59pm

re: #429 mama winger

Gosh I wish some thug would steal your laptop, and your home computer and your business computer and the computer at the library close to your house and the computers of all your living relatives.

Indeed. Because it's just awful -- awful! -- what I'm saying, right?

Yeah. I don't feel attached to Sarah Palin. I feel attached to winning. If she's the one who can do it, then she's the one for me. If not, I'd like to know now, not sometime after the 2012 primaries.

452 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:37:59pm

Fox is the property of Rupert Murdoch who runs it for his own financial benefit. It is not a charity operated on behalf of the conservative movement. Consider the NY Post, it operates as a right of center tabloid alternative because that is where Murdoch sees a niche. The editorial page reached its zenith under Eric Breindel and is now of occasional interest but not compelling. The overall tone of the paper continues to be transformed by a process of Australianization. Murdoch's intent appears to be to build the Wall Street Journal as the broadsheet alternative to the New York Times. That will keep it positioned to the right of the Times from an editorial perspective but does not make it a voice of a Conservative or Neoconservative movement. Murdoch specifically and affirmatively refused to rescue the NY Sun.

453 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #436 Cognito

She's not obligated to, no.

But if she wants to stay on the national stage, she will.

I'm thinking she's had it with the national stage.

454 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:01pm

The Rockfeller, checked pants, country - club wing of the GOP
vs.
the small town, home grown, Goldwater conservative wing.
One can't get elected without the other.
Classic.

455 bcgirl  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:01pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Commie-red and Black Power-black.


don't forget ugly

456 Christopher Luebcke  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:11pm

re: #405 Adina in Judea

She can give an entire Convention speech with a malfunctioning teleprompter.

So could Bill Clinton.

457 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:20pm

re: #405 Adina in Judea

She can give an entire Convention speech with a malfunctioning teleprompter.

Lord Barry can't do that.

Sarah did it in front of tens of millions of people without missing a beat.

re: #413 Cognito

That doesn't make presidential material. Not for him, not for her.

It's not about comparisons.

You and I seem to be alone in believing our leaders should have minimal qualifications.

Obama didn't and was elected anyway, but it seems to be heresy to honestly admit that on our side we also had someone who was not qualified.

458 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:33pm

re: #59 jcm

Civil war breaking out in (R) party. The moderate blue bloods vs. the Reagan conservatives.

If we have he hope of the Senate (R)s blocking any of O's and the (D)s agenda, this GODDAMN SHIT BETTER STOP NOW!

This fratricidal bullshit will insure the (D)'s gain seats in '10, retain the WH in '12 and we run a Dole/McCain ticket in '16, losing to a even more leftist.

jcm! my hero. I said a bunch of stuff other thread--yours is shorter, sweeter.

459 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:41pm

re: #351 Cognito


"That's not my personal wish. It's just reality.

People don't take political hits like this and survive, without fighting back."

Gawd, give the lady some time to sleep for a day or two. Oh, it could get fun. She'll probably call out the turncoats.

Does Mitt "I have four strapping sons, all of whom are too good to fight for our country" Romney really think he has a chance in 2012? Jesus gawd, please save this party.

One wonderful arguement that we took away from the DEM's bitchin' and moanin' about Bush-Cheney in '04 was that we had a ticket with sons on the front lines. Mitt's four handsome, strapping sons' NON military service would be a major screaming point by the Left. And rightly so. That's before they would get into the very sexist beliefs of the Mormon church.

460 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #402 funky chicken

Romney and his nasty minions will never get my support. They are the ones who sandbagged Palin from the get-go, because they were so furious their guy wasn't the nominee, and then wasn't McCain's VP pick.

Romney may be the candidate in 2012 and if he is I will support him as long as he directs his nastiness at the Obamaton Army of mind slaves. He wouldn't be my first pick, but he is the "next in line" which the GOP has a habit of picking, and has strong economic credentials. The Mormon thing will still get under some skins out there, but they will get over it.

Again - not my first choice, but he is a long term scheme guy, and this "I Hate Sarah" club that has suddenly emerged and seems ready to sell t-shirts has his finger prints all over it and may just kill her off as a threat as folks position ofr organization and money for 2012.

461 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:04pm

re: #388 wolfie

TRUST ME- it's lethal.

462 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:10pm

re: #425 redvoter

Very interesting, going back and now seeing some of the stories attached to that name.

463 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:23pm

re: #350 littleO

Don't care whether the lingo/rumor is true or not. Sarah Palin was a gimmick. It wasn't John McCain's 'turn' . Now conservatives have to rebuild a party. The trouble is the new conservatives may never be able to rebuild the original republic and it's promise.

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You sexist swine. Sarah Palin is not a gimmick--she's a sitting governor making $40 billion dollar decisions about America's energy stockpile. She's a toppler of corrupt entrenched interests, and she didn't have 9 houses and millionaire relatives to back her up.

464 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:34pm

re: #427 Cognito

Think about that.


THINK ABOUT THIS

465 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:38pm

re: #437 Cattt


When we DO have a decent man or woman, the boys from DC DESTROY THEM. Frank Capra was right!

I have no doubt in the slightest that she is thoroughly decent. I think she's a great person, and has done more for more people than most of us can ever dream.

466 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:46pm
467 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:49pm

re: #385 deanyc

My feeling is: Get rid of McCain. He's doing what he's what he's always done: Posturing to make himself look good at the expense of the party's future. Eff U, McCain.

Yet another example, and there have been thousands. Take any stupid, scurrilous rumor and use it to show how brilliant and brave and "pure conservative" you are by how hateful you can be to John McCain.

468 daledog  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:57pm

re: #359 Opinionated

These are evidence of a lack of knowledge ...

What These?

She said she could see Russia from her house. Dumb thing to say - yes. Evidence of lack of knowledge - hardly.

By these do you mean the list of items rattled off by the gossipy Carl Cameron? Innuendo by weasly staffers looking for a scapegoat.

469 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:39:59pm

I find some msm shills around here to be completely scroll worthy now.

470 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:40:17pm

I'll withhold judgment on this story pending further developments. It taxes my credulity.

471 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:40:20pm

re: #436 Cognito

re: #428 Adina in Judea

When people went crazy and said that she wasn't Trig's mother, she didn't go nuts in public about it. She announced that Bristol is expecting a baby now herself.

She's a class act.

She's not going to get into these petty staffers' crap.

Nor should she.

She's not obligated to, no.

But if she wants to stay on the national stage, she will.

No - she will stay on the national stage by not describing the crying, sniveling idiots who didn't have the guts to be on a national campaign.

She's tough - they fell apart. Now they're dissing her for it.

Screw 'em.

472 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:40:36pm

re: #453 kansas

I'm thinking she's had it with the national stage.

Could be. I sort of hope not, considering the charismatic appeal she has for so many people. I hope she rolls up the sleeves of her quite-nice jacket and starts swinging.

473 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:40:45pm

re: #365 Ozymandias

So who do you think they might blame? Themselves? Obama? He might run again, he's a big wheel in the party... have little doubt Joe Biden would be slammed so hard he'd have waffle iron marks.

oooh can you imagine it, if only, if only...joe's lucky he's lucky

Indeed, yes he is..

474 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #451 Cognito

Indeed. Because it's just awful -- awful! -- what I'm saying, right?

Yeah. I don't feel attached to Sarah Palin. I feel attached to winning. If she's the one who can do it, then she's the one for me. If not, I'd like to know now, not sometime after the 2012 primaries.

Again. Do your job and find out, now. Report back here your findings. If you're really a journalist this should be easy as pie for you, yes?

475 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:41:25pm

Geez, the media through a little chum in the waters and we go into a feeding frenzy? Get real, people. Obama won, we lost, for many, many reasons. Making Sarah Palin a scapegoat is falling for yet more of the MSM, Dem media crapola.

476 GOPninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:41:26pm

re: #344 MandyManners

I've restrained myself the past 24 hours out of respect for Charles and Mr. Beaumont, and I'll do so again.

Oh no by all means go ahead. Id love to hear how this woman helped John McCain win this election. Seriously.

477 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:41:43pm

re: #413 Cognito

That doesn't make presidential material. Not for him, not for her.

It's not about comparisons.

Okay, genius. Tell us all what makes Obama "presidential material", other than the "D" after his name? I sure as hell haven't seen anything to prove it.

478 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:41:56pm

re: #460 karmic_inquisitor

Romney may be the candidate in 2012 and if he is I will support him as long as he directs his nastiness at the Obamaton Army of mind slaves. He wouldn't be my first pick, but he is the "next in line" which the GOP has a habit of picking, and has strong economic credentials. The Mormon thing will still get under some skins out there, but they will get over it.

Again - not my first choice, but he is a long term scheme guy, and this "I Hate Sarah" club that has suddenly emerged and seems ready to sell t-shirts has his finger prints all over it and may just kill her off as a threat as folks position ofr organization and money for 2012.

Romney is just another boring white man and unless Obama really fucks up Jimmy Carter style the GOP will have no chance with Romney.

479 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:11pm
480 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:15pm

re: #474 brickthruplateglasswindow

Again. Do your job and find out, now. Report back here your findings. If you're really a journalist this should be easy as pie for you, yes?

Sure.

481 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:25pm

re: #472 Cognito

Could be. I sort of hope not, considering the charismatic appeal she has for so many people. I hope she rolls up the sleeves of her quite-nice jacket and starts swinging.

Maybe I was projecting. I just don't how she overcomes having been Quayled.

482 pbird  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:26pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I kid you not--I dreamed that Soros apologized to me and said he never thought CBBHO would win. Then, he invited me to his weekend place for to go fishing.

Wow. Incredibly weird.

483 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:30pm

re: #477 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Okay, genius. Tell us all what makes Obama "presidential material", other than the "D" after his name? I sure as hell haven't seen anything to prove it.

Nothing, that I've seen.

484 alien_mind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #391 CyanSnowHawk

Gotta have Jeff Goldblum in there too. Him and Chris Walken could carry on an hours long conversation with just the words, ah, um, oh, and hey.


and more cowbell too.

485 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:34pm

re: #116 BignJames

I don't care.

I admire that response. It is one of the very few genuinely honest ones here.

486 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:48pm

Yeah, I suppose she's too damn stupid to run Alaska now too. She should give back her 80+% approval rating and resign immediately.

/meanwhile, say hello to Vice-President Elect Biden, did he mention he's smarter than you are?

487 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:49pm

re: #457 Opinionated

You and I seem to be alone in believing our leaders should have minimal qualifications.

Obama didn't and was elected anyway, but it seems to be heresy to honestly admit that on our side we also had someone who was not qualified.

It's ridiculous to accept gossip after all the anti-Palin gossip we've been through in this campaign already.

If you want to spread gossip now, then you're no better than the crying, sniveling campaign staffers who are dissing Sarah Palin now.

488 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:42:54pm

re: #431 Sol Roth

There's one good story to come out of this election.

Vietnam veteran Realwest and his 84 year old mother made it to the polls. They are both so frail from (he) cancer and (she) age they had to stay in the car and vote with an attendant.

I'll never forget that.


/hasta manana y'all.

Later SR.

489 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:43:18pm

re: #478 Alouette

He's going to screw up Jimmy Carter style. Marxism DOESN'T work; it's why we call them Russians and not Soviets.

490 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:43:23pm

re: #474 brickthruplateglasswindow

Again. Do your job and find out, now. Report back here your findings. If you're really a journalist this should be easy as pie for you, yes?

Real journalists are spoonfed their stories like 6 month old babies except you could put shit in the spoon (if you're a dem) and they'd eat it

491 seagreenroom  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:44:02pm

Damn.. maybe it's just as well McCain didn't get elected.

Looks like he surrounds himself with some real morons.

Palin was the best thing he had going.

492 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:44:15pm

re: #476 GOPninja

Oh no by all means go ahead. Id love to hear how this woman helped John McCain win this election. Seriously.

I know of 6 people who weren't going to vote at all this time, who voted for Palin. Not McCain, Palin. Satisfied?

493 Kulhwch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:44:16pm

She doesn't need to deny something unevidenced.  What we have here is innuendo and hearsay.  Nothing more.  To even attempt to defend herself would give these claims credence they haven't earned.  If McCane lacks the walnuts to support and defend her, he's not the war hero I thought he was, and he doesn't deserve to be POTUS.

}:)     [Sarah's my girl, I'll stand behind her 1000% ... her & Rudy in 2012!]

494 freetoken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:44:38pm

Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind if Sarah met me at the door while she was in a bath towel. I don't see why the staffers are complaining...

495 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:44:41pm

re: #416 DANEgerus

Typical McCain, kinder words for Obama then a true conservative like Palin.

Fine... McCain gave it a go. But we're better off with naked (D)emocrat hypocritical Communism then RINOs.

And yet another. So happy to see my husband working for Commander in Chief Barack Obama than a "RINO" like McCain.

idiots, all of you

496 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:18pm

re: #372 kansas

I don't need the money to feed myself, I said take her to dinner. And it's not my attempt to write Palin off, its my observation that she is written off. Its not me that's bad mouthing her. Doesnt look like your wishful thinking got anywhere does it?

* * *
58 million votes wasn't NOTHING, much less wishful thinking on my part, defeatist whiner. Sarah Palin had a lot to do with that number, when it could have been a landslide against McCain.

497 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:24pm

re: #480 Cognito

Sure.

Excellent. When can I expect your report?

498 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:26pm

re: #388 wolfie

Wolfie, I always like your posts.

It is lethal. Don't get me wrong, I like Jindal a great deal, and hope he makes a great Governor.

As someone with many years in medicine, I can say, I've come across some absolute religious nuts who think everything is cured by the Lord, etc.

Praying is great, I do it myself. But you have lunatics out there, who are blind.

This is why something totally treatable like JD, and can be sustained with medication, is such a potential target when one of these kids dies because prayer was going to make it better.

499 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:41pm

re: #440 jcm

My flag flies high and will continue regardless. If the worst happens a Gadsden flag goes up next to i.t

I've been looking for a bumper-sticker of that to put on my car. Right next to it, I want a sticker with a big, red hammer and sickle with a black line through it--perhaps covering the O in BHO's name.

500 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:41pm

re: #427 Cognito

Think about what you're saying.

I've said, "Hmmm. If it's true -- and only if it's true -- that she can't name South Africa as a country, then she's not a good leader for conservatives."

And you've said, "Shhh... be silent."

Think about that.

Cognito -

Here is a problem I have with political journalism - there seems to be no meta-analysis of what gamesmanship is at play on the political battlefield. We have unsourced accounts and you are saying that Palin better answer. Why not ask "who is the source and what axe is being ground?"

There are several people competing for 2012 support and organization and they have to get big donors lined up early to be taken seriously.

That is what this is about. That is all that this is about.

Yes - if Palin wants 2012, she better turn this on whomever is floating it her way. But it isn't McCain - he just wants to be elder statesman now.

501 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:45:43pm

re: #495 funky chicken

{funky chicken}

I'm with you.

502 Christopher Luebcke  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:25pm

re: #477 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Okay, genius. Tell us all what makes Obama "presidential material", other than the "D" after his name? I sure as hell haven't seen anything to prove it.

I don't understand the reflex that assumes that a low estimation of Palin's qualifications equals a high estimation of Obama's.

503 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:27pm

re: #362 alegrias

* * *
You depressed people hiding behind your anonymity, trashing a fighter frontierwoman with guts like Sarah Palin who fought corrupt powerful people when she was a nobody with everything to lose are beneath contempt.

Whoa. I NEVER trashed her. I defended her to all my friends and family, and succeeded in turning some of their opinions around. I wouldn't have voted for McCain if he hadn't picked her; I don't vote for RINOs. I gave hundreds of dollars to the campaign because of Sarah Palin.

She's over because she's been unfairly crucified by the media. THAT's why I say the MSM is dead to me now.

I don't believe the rumors about her, and I find the behavior of the anonymous McCain staffers beneath contempt.

504 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:28pm

re: #495 funky chicken

And yet another. So happy to see my husband working for Commander in Chief Barack Obama than a "RINO" like McCain.

idiots, all of you

Hey! Even if McCain is a sniping, backstabbing son of a bitch, I voted for him and would much rather have him than the terminally unready Obama

505 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:41pm

re: #495 funky chicken

And yet another. So happy to see my husband working for Commander in Chief Barack Obama than a "RINO" like McCain.

idiots, all of you

Hey, he is going to be my commander in chief as well come January. I'd rather have the devil you know then the angle you don't. At least I know BHO is a Marxist; I still can't tell you what John McCain stood for. He loved throwing the Republican's under the bus; his chickens, came home to roost.

506 solergic  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:45pm

I'm warming to the nickname Recession Barry...

507 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:46:52pm

re: #496 alegrias

* * *
58 million votes wasn't NOTHING, much less wishful thinking on my part, defeatist whiner. Sarah Palin had a lot to do with that number, when it could have been a landslide against McCain.

Defeatist whiner? First one to name call loses. See ya, loser.

508 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:47:05pm

re: #483 Cognito

Nothing, that I've seen.

I'm stunned.

509 Wishing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:47:10pm

Cognito:
Go do your OWN research if you think these items of GOSSIP are so important.
Quit being lazy, stirring up the waters for some perverse pleasure.
DO THE HOMEWORK YOURSELF.

Gnite lizards.

510 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:47:25pm

re: #494 freetoken

Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind if Sarah met me at the door while she was in a bath towel. I don't see why the staffers are complaining...

Actually, they said it was a bathrobe.

Opinionated (or whoever it was that repeated that story) wasn't telling the truth.

511 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:47:54pm

re: #450 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

According to the Chicago Sun-Times or Tribune, I don't remember which one, it was designed by some "famous" designer named Rodriguez, was shown in some Paris fashion show last spring, and cost $14K.

I reckon it was chosen to be symbolic instead of appealing.

512 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #30 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Shit, Obama said there are 57 states. Confusing Africa for a country rather than a continent is small potatoes.
/

When asked during an early televised debate to name three countries that were our most important allies, the first thing Obama said was "European Union." A. European Union is not a country and B. they are not our allies.

Sarah wears glasses because she wore out her eyes reading newspapers obsessively since she was a teen. A disgruntled loser here tells us she didn't know Africa is a continent we're supposed to buy that?

Bulllshitting the public via "news" is getting real, real old. The list of TV channels, website and newspapers I trust anymore is getting mighty thin.

513 GOPninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:48:01pm

re: #492 brickthruplateglasswindow

I know of 6 people who weren't going to vote at all this time, who voted for Palin. Not McCain, Palin. Satisfied?

I guarantee you that you can find more people that will say "i had to question him after he picked Palin..."

Watch what happens when she has to face a primary by herself. She will get eaten alive by the contenders.

In conclusion...

Africa.

514 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:48:25pm
515 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:48:26pm

re: #499 MandyManners

I've been looking for a bumper-sticker of that to put on my car. Right next to it, I want a sticker with a big, red hammer and sickle with a black line through it--perhaps covering the O in BHO's name.

Ask and yea shall receive.

516 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:01pm

re: #500 karmic_inquisitor

The irony here is that, normally, media-boy would have an issue with "unnamed sources" as not good journalism. Why- just the other day he took issue with a source on a story as being un-credible. But not today- no. Whatever it takes for media-boy to get attention on any given thread though, eh?

517 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:02pm

re: #503 Palandine

She's over because she's been unfairly crucified by the media. THAT's why I say the MSM is dead to me now.

I don't believe the rumors about her, and I find the behavior of the anonymous McCain staffers beneath contempt.

She's not over.

The MSM always says crap about Republicans.

They are the ones who ought to be finished.

518 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:15pm

re: #450 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

According to the Chicago Sun-Times or Tribune, I don't remember which one, it was designed by some "famous" designer named Rodriguez, was shown in some Paris fashion show last spring, and cost $14K.

I reckon it was chosen to be symbolic instead of appealing.

519 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:23pm

re: #471 Adina in Judea

No - she will stay on the national stage by not describing the crying, sniveling idiots who didn't have the guts to be on a national campaign.

She's tough - they fell apart. Now they're dissing her for it.

Screw 'em.

McCain and Palin were both let down by their campaign staff. I was a Giuliani supporter, and pretty un-excited about Mccain until he selected Palin. I gained more respect for him from that point on, but the staff never impressed me much.

520 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:43pm

My apologies to any Latter Day Saints on this board, but I think many Republicans would feel more comfortable with a non-witnessing Pentacostal than with a Mormon as our president (if those were our only two choices).

And Mitch's carpetbagging political career makes Hillary's and RFK's carpetbagging almost believable by comparison.

521 kansas  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:43pm

uh oh spinning wheel is back

522 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:50pm

re: #487 Adina in Judea

It's ridiculous to accept gossip after all the anti-Palin gossip we've been through in this campaign already.

If you want to spread gossip now, then you're no better than the crying, sniveling campaign staffers who are dissing Sarah Palin now.

I also believe the "gossip" about the Obama Ayers relationship. I assume that gossip is Kosher.

I'm sorry if it offends people, I attempt to be honest and consistent in my opinions.

I believe these reports and- unlike some- I cared from the moment she was picked. I felt she was not qualified but I had no idea just how much she was unqualified.

But cheer up, I also believe she has the tools. And if Stevens is forced out of the Senate after he wins, it might be smart of her to appoint herself to his seat otr to run when it opens in a special election. In a few years she may have the personal tools and the requisite knowledge and may then make a very formidable candidate.

523 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:54pm
524 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:49:57pm

re: #431 Sol Roth

There's one good story to come out of this election.

Vietnam veteran Realwest and his 84 year old mother made it to the polls. They are both so frail from (he) cancer and (she) age they had to stay in the car and vote with an attendant.

I'll never forget that.


/hasta manana y'all.

I'm at this moment raising my glass to Realwest and Mrs. Realwest. Thank you. God bless you.

And I figuratively spit in the face of any son of a bitch who didn't vote at all, because McCain isn't a true conservative, and he wanted to teach the GOP a lesson about never nominating a moderate again. You, hypothetical sir, don't deserve the right to vote in the next five elections because of what you've done.

525 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:01pm

re: #513 GOPninja

I guarantee you that you can find more people that will say "i had to question him after he picked Palin..."

Watch what happens when she has to face a primary by herself. She will get eaten alive by the contenders.

In conclusion...

Africa.


Especially after the media announced on day one that she was unfit. They never once questioned Obama's fitness. Except Russert in his question to Biden.

526 Rose Parade  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:12pm

re: #36 starfox5253

This makes me ill... She's the best thing the GOP has going for it right now, and she's the reason it wasn't a TOTAL blowout... you'd think they'd show a little respect. Jerks.

She's the only reason I voted for McCain enthusiastically, and not only because he wasn't Obama. If she isn't the future of the Republican party, then the Rep party has no future.

527 Florida Lady  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:21pm

re: #478 Alouette

Romney is just another boring white man and unless Obama really fucks up Jimmy Carter style the GOP will have no chance with Romney.

I hate when we call presidential & VP candidates "boring white men." It makes us look as raaaccciiissstt as The One & his minions are.

If I recall correctly, there have been some really great Presidents who were "boring white men." Yeah, some bad ones too. In fact, up till now, they have ALL been "boring white men." :-)

But the point is it's not the skin color or the body parts that make someone a good candidate or president.

528 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:23pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I reckon it was chosen to be symbolic instead of appealing.

Here's the suit Obama should wear on Jan. 20th.///

529 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:24pm
530 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:27pm

Goodnight lizards. Pleasant dreams and remember, the sun will rise tomorrow!

531 freetoken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:29pm

re: #510 Adina in Judea

Actually, they said it was a bathrobe.

Bathrobe... bath towel... I think the "towel" makes for a more interesting story... don't you think?

532 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:29pm

The byways of Alaska are littered with the dead careers of politicians that counted Sarah Palin out.

533 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:46pm

re: #491 seagreenroom

Damn.. maybe it's just as well McCain didn't get elected.

Looks like he surrounds himself with some real morons.

Palin was the best thing he had going.

You have a couple of bad apples. Since when does a couple of bad apples constitute "surounded by morons"?

534 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:47pm

re: #430 FloridaAnole

That was Tina Fey who said that on SNL. Unfortunately for Sarah, too many people have conflated Tina's SNL shtick with reality, and have repeated it as if Sarah said it.

The New Yorker made a cover out of that meme.

535 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:49pm

re: #493 Kulhwch

She doesn't need to deny something unevidenced.  What we have here is innuendo and hearsay.  Nothing more.  To even attempt to defend herself would give these claims credence they haven't earned.  If McCane lacks the walnuts to support and defend her, he's not the war hero I thought he was, and he doesn't deserve to be POTUS.

}:)     [Sarah's my girl, I'll stand behind her 1000% ... her & Rudy in 2012!]

Why the hell should McCain run out to deny a stupid rumor? Should he have visited in person with Andrew Sullivan to address the Trig trooferism?

Yeah, McCain, who survived 5.5 years of communist torture is a wimp.

536 Parker in US  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:50:59pm

The McCain "Staffers" are looking for someone to point a finger at besides themselves for running one of the dumbest campaigns I've seen in a long time. They didn't do their homework, they got sucked into taking public funding and they left so much unanswered shit slung by BHO on the table it boggles the mind. This is nothing but blown out of proportion bullshit and Bill O should be ashamed of himself for even letting it on his show.

/Ratings/*Spit*

537 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:06pm

re: #513 GOPninja

I guarantee you that you can find more people that will say "i had to question him after he picked Palin..."

Watch what happens when she has to face a primary by herself. She will get eaten alive by the contenders.

Yet, she stood her ground against Biden in a national debate that had higher ratings than any PRESIDENTIAL debate since 1992.

Sarah Palin did this against the Delaware Motor Mouth.

She is tough enough to handle anyone who comes her way.

538 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #516 Sharmuta

The irony here is that, normally, media-boy would have an issue with "unnamed sources" as not good journalism. Why- just the other day he took issue with a source on a story as being un-credible. But not today- no. Whatever it takes for media-boy to get attention on any given thread though, eh?

Perhaps you missed the repeated phrase, "if this proves to be true."

Go ahead and roll spitballs between your thumb and forefinger. It won't help improve conservatives' chances at fielding a better candidate. Honest reflection, however, will.

539 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:28pm

re: #425 redvoter

If Nicole Wallace is the source, I would be absolutely livid. I have seen Wallace numerous times "advocate" for the McCain campaign and she was unconvincing in every possible way. Her name keeps coming up with these rifts though.

Mole. Moley mole, mole.

540 GOPninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:33pm

re: #514 Iron Fist

I'd say it is pretty fuckin' obvious. Absent the Palin pick or some similar outreach to the Republican Party base McCain wouldn't have gotten within single digits of winning the Presidency. He wasn't exactly a brilliant pick.

As it turns out, he wasn't quite adequate, but to blame his loss on Palin is a stretch.

So, he wasnt far behind in the polls before the convention. Palin comes, ooo look nice shiny thing we dont know much about! Then ...kaboom. You swapped many moderates who trusted his judgment with a bunch of basers who may or may not have, but probably would have, turned out for him.

541 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:35pm

re: #455 bcgirl

don't forget ugly

The dress or the woman?

542 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:50pm

re: #520 sagamoregal

My apologies to any Latter Day Saints on this board, but I think many Republicans would feel more comfortable with a non-witnessing Pentacostal than with a Mormon as our president (if those were our only two choices).

And Mitch's carpetbagging political career makes Hillary's and RFK's carpetbagging almost believable by comparison.

Whatever you say, bigot.

543 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:51:58pm

re: #505 Jetpilot1101

Hey, he is going to be my commander in chief as well come January. I'd rather have the devil you know then the angle you don't. At least I know BHO is a Marxist; I still can't tell you what John McCain stood for. He loved throwing the Republican's under the bus; his chickens came home to roost.

BINGO!

It wasn't the "social cons" who were repudiated, it was the "bend over and take it from the Dems for the sake of bipartisanship" moderates who had their hats handed to them. Shades of 1976, if you ask me.

As was the case in 1980, things will be so fucked up by 2012, the Reagan conservatives will welcomed back.

544 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:02pm

So, do these staffers work for Romney or Huckabee?

545 ClosetConservative  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:08pm

Fox News can take their so-called "fair and balanced" reporting and stuff it up their ass. It's just more anti-McCain Obama adulation.

Well, at least they're good at self-preservation.

What the hell happened to newscasts, where you got the news items without all the opinion? That whole story could be summed up in one sentence:

"Rumors surface about rifts in McCain campaign"

And then we could've gone on to more important things, like my broken weedwacker. Or the price of index cards. Anything's more interesting than more Republican bashing.

546 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:16pm

re: #513 GOPninja

I guarantee you that you can find more people that will say "i had to question him after he picked Palin..."

Watch what happens when she has to face a primary by herself. She will get eaten alive by the contenders.

In conclusion...

Africa.

GOP,
Conservatives recognize each other. Just like drivers of Jeeps, Bugs, or motorcycles when they pass one another on the road. Sorry, you get no wave from me.

547 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:19pm

re: #389 Cognito

All I'm saying is that we should know our leaders, good and bad. It's the honest position.

This is rich, coming from an MSM person. Get back to us when your profession does at least one hard-hitting investigative piece on Mr. Obama.

548 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:33pm

Hell, why not Kelsey Grammer 2012?
At the very least the standard classy and well thought out Dem argument that the GOP candidate is a big dummy doo doo head would not fly against Dr. Frasier Crane.
I still want Rudy. He should go clean up Obama's murderous and impoverished Chicago and run again.

$174.90 in mags
gun show in 2 weeks. see how the ammo is priced before online order.

549 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #510 Adina in Judea

Actually, they said it was a bathrobe.

And why the hell is this a problem to some staffer? Shit, look, the father and 2 teen kids who live upstairs over me in my apartment are always beating on each other.

Just a little while ago I heard the youngest teenage son yelling "Dad, stop it. Stop hitting me." this happens almost like clockwork a couple of times a month.

I called 911 and the cop just stopped by my apartment to talk to me. I was in a tee shirt and underpants. So, what the fuck. No big deal.

This staffer must be a whiny little shithead.

Is this staffer

550 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

If people here or anywhere don't think the exorcism curing cancer thing isn't lethal, then I'm clueless as to what to say. That's fringe territory.

Well Sharm I have to disagree with you.
I just watched a man get elected who associates with terrorists and felons, who admitted using cocaine, who said he would bankrupt the coal industry (and then those coal states voted for him anyway) who lies about his past, who has no record and whose pastor is taped preaching G.d Damn America and the chickens have come home to roost.
Again, he associates with a man who bombed our own country and it has only been 7 years since 9/11 but that is acceptable.
A man who set bombs, just like the sob who set the IED that killed my nephew and NO ONE CARES.
You understand? No one gives a fuck. Our soldiers get killed by people who set bombs, our next Pres associates with someone who sets bombs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY and no.one.cares.
I hate obama on a personal level. I hate him more than I have ever hated anyone in my life.
Because he chooses to associate with the same type of scum that killed my nephew and he finds that acceptable.
Acceptable.
And now I am supposed to accept him as my President?
NEVER.
I don't know if Jindal is electable or not.
I didn't know about the exorcism thing.
But how can that make him unelectable if obama is able to be elected?

551 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:52:55pm

Has anyone even thought of the fact that McCain, ironically, was victim of his own fund raising legislation?

552 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:53:16pm

Thank heaven for some real news instead of those unsubstantiated rumors about
Obama's terrorist friends and co-workers. /

553 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:53:27pm

re: #363 Cognito

Again. Obama is not the new measure of what a president should be.

It's not about comparisons. It's about taking a practical stance on the next presidential election, and knowing fully who our guy or gal is. If the stuff about Sarah Palin isn't true -- the substantial stuff, not the fluff -- then I look forward to hearing her laugh it off.


LIKE WE KNOW ALL WE SHOULD ABOUT OBAMA...
Well...as far as I am concerned...If Obama can be voted in as President after all we know about his associates...his voting/nonvoting issues...and what we still don't know about him...because the media did not do it's job( even refused to release info./tape it had)...then I for one will be very happy to have Sara Palin as President...even if she didn't know about NAFTA...or Africa...because she has been thrown and drug through the wringer by the media, and she can learn and change these issues...Obama can't change the fact that he had Ayers as a friend, sat in Wrights church hearing the hate spewed for 20 years, or take back his present votes or his vote to not make sure a baby born alive during a partial birth abortion gets the care it needs to survive...GO SARAH PALIN GO 2012

554 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:53:35pm

re: #522 Opinionated

I also believe the "gossip" about the Obama Ayers relationship. I assume that gossip is Kosher.

Obama and Ayers had a relationship that is on record (with witnesses.)

But cheer up, I also believe she has the tools. And if Stevens is forced out of the Senate after he wins, it might be smart of her to appoint herself to his seat otr to run when it opens in a special election. In a few years she may have the personal tools and the requisite knowledge and may then make a very formidable candidate.

She'd do some interesting field dressings in the Senate.

I hope she does whatever she wants to do.

She has a bright future!

555 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #506 solergic

I'm warming to the nickname Recession Barry...

Recession Barney gets upgraded to Depression Barry

556 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #538 Cognito

Go ahead and roll spitballs between your thumb and forefinger. It won't help improve conservatives' chances at fielding a better candidate. Honest reflection, however, will.

I've been working on that all day, media-boy. Perhaps it's time the msm did some honest reflection to improve their chances of increasing revenue for a change. Better hurry up- money is slipping away. Tic-toc.

557 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:03pm

Before I rip a few new assholes, bbl.

558 JoshB  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #510 Adina in Judea

Actually, they said it was a bathrobe.


Opinionated (or whoever it was that repeated that story) wasn't telling the truth.


The Newsweak version says it was a towel. And I think that's very telling. You've got people dishing on Palin. It should have been obvious whether she was in a bathrobe or a towel.

The fact that two separate sources reported different stories tells me that these stories have been inflated thanks to the whisper game. An eyewitness who saw her in a bathrobe with a towel on her head reports one thing. Someone who heard secondhand from that eyewitness only remembers the towel part and reports she was just wearing two towels.

I'm guessing that the stories about Africa and NAFTA are of similar nature, that the worst spin comes from the second hand (or third hand) source who misunderstood the initial story.

559 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:06pm

I don't know about anyone else, but during the primaries, not one candidate looked like they were totally serious, or as if they wanted it.

With that, goodnight.

560 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #431 Sol Roth

There's one good story to come out of this election.

Vietnam veteran Realwest and his 84 year old mother made it to the polls. They are both so frail from (he) cancer and (she) age they had to stay in the car and vote with an attendant.

I'll never forget that.


/hasta manana y'all.

Thanks for the post.

One correction: Realwest is not frail. He's just fighting right now, that's all.

561 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:13pm

If she really refused the opportunity to be prepped before going on Couric that wasn't a great move.

562 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:23pm

re: #416 DANEgerus

Fine... McCain gave it a go. But we're better off with naked (D)emocrat hypocritical Communism then RINOs.

I don't believe I've ever said an unkind word about another poster here before. But you are a moron and you truly deserve your name.

563 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:24pm
564 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #553 Inquisitive

LIKE WE KNOW ALL WE SHOULD ABOUT OBAMA...
Well...as far as I am concerned...If Obama can be voted in as President after all we know about his associates...his voting/nonvoting issues...and what we still don't know about him...because the media did not do it's job( even refused to release info./tape it had)...then I for one will be very happy to have Sara Palin as President...even if she didn't know about NAFTA...or Africa...because she has been thrown and drug through the wringer by the media, and she can learn and change these issues...Obama can't change the fact that he had Ayers as a friend, sat in Wrights church hearing the hate spewed for 20 years, or take back his present votes or his vote to not make sure a baby born alive during a partial birth abortion gets the care it needs to survive...GO SARAH PALIN GO 2012

Are you related to Jackson, Tn?

565 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #551 rawmuse

Has anyone even thought of the fact that McCain, ironically, was victim of his own fund raising legislation?

Rush has been hamering him with that for months.

566 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #431 Sol Roth

There's one good story to come out of this election.

Vietnam veteran Realwest and his 84 year old mother made it to the polls. They are both so frail from (he) cancer and (she) age they had to stay in the car and vote with an attendant.

I'll never forget that.


/hasta manana y'all.

Hear hear! Best that North Carolina has to offer, the Realwest clan.

567 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:54:45pm

re: #402 funky chicken

Romney and his nasty minions will never get my support. They are the ones who sandbagged Palin from the get-go, because they were so furious their guy wasn't the nominee, and then wasn't McCain's VP pick.

* * *
It seemed that after the embarassing gotcha flap about McCain not knowing how many houses his wife owned, he couldn't very well select as his VEEP another guy who owned so many houses.

Sarah Palin was a regular self-made executive, not one born with silver sponns in her mouth like McCain-Romney would have been portrayed in the class warfare debate.

568 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:03pm

FNC was eager to be the leader in declaring the Obama Messiahship, and now they are trying to be first in anathematizing the heretics. Typical that the staffers are trying to find blame for the loss without looking to the head of the ticket.

569 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:06pm

re: #531 freetoken

Bathrobe... bath towel... I think the "towel" makes for a more interesting story... don't you think?

It rather depends on the size of the towel, too, I suppose. :D

570 SurferDoc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:08pm

The media scum have piped and I am declining to dance for them. Laters.

/stay frosty

571 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:08pm

re: #534 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The New Yorker made a cover out of that meme.

So now Democrat voters get their news from The Daily Show and SNL. Not encouraging.

572 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:26pm

re: #528 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Here's the suit Obama should wear on Jan. 20th.///

Darn I expected an orange jumpsuit and a Patrick Fitzgerald reference

573 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:29pm

re: #551 rawmuse

Has anyone even thought of the fact that McCain, ironically, was victim of his own fund raising legislation?

mentioned quite a bit.

574 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:32pm

re: #547 Palandine

This is rich, coming from an MSM person. Get back to us when your profession does at least one hard-hitting investigative piece on Mr. Obama.

Fascinating. Do you reject all conversation with your banker, because the idiots on Wall Street collapsed the banking industry?

575 GOPninja  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:35pm

re: #546 brickthruplateglasswindow

GOP,
Conservatives recognize each other. Just like drivers of Jeeps, Bugs, or motorcycles when they pass one another on the road. Sorry, you get no wave from me.

I wish i had your internet intuition.

576 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:45pm

re: #550 Typicalwhitey

Uh- you forget the media doesn't play fair. Come on. You think he could survive the media scrutiny on that? No way.

577 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:50pm

re: #551 rawmuse

I can only ding once.

578 rboa  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:55:58pm

It wasn't her fault for the loss. She did very well given the circumstances. This was a McCain loss (Dole II: The revenge of the losers)

579 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:56:18pm

While everyone is harping on McCain, look at the congress numbers.

Obama should have done much better. With all the crap the Republicans have been up against and a media cheering for a train wreck, BOTH McCain and Palin made it close.

Huckabee and Romney would have been turned into spackle and we'd be facing a 61 Democrat Senate and congress that would take a generation to recapture.

They did well. We did well.

Direct your anger at ACORN et al, George Bush's refusal to defend his decisions (but assume "history will vindicate him"), Pelosi and the "journalism profession".

580 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:56:35pm

re: #556 Sharmuta

Totally relevant.

581 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:57:18pm

Anyone see a pattern here?

1976 - Moderate Republican Gerald Ford loses
1980 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1984 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1988 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush, whom everyone thinks to be a conservative, wins
1992 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush loses, his cover now blown
1996 - Somnambulist Republican Bob Dole loses
2000 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2004 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2008 - Moderate Republican John McCain loses

Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

582 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:57:19pm

re: #520 sagamoregal

My apologies to any Latter Day Saints on this board, but I think many Republicans would feel more comfortable with a non-witnessing Pentacostal than with a Mormon as our president (if those were our only two choices).

And Mitch's carpetbagging political career makes Hillary's and RFK's carpetbagging almost believable by comparison.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I can't tell one from the other. I never ask about a person's religion.

583 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:57:25pm

re: #463 alegrias

* * *
You sexist swine. Sarah Palin is not a gimmick--she's a sitting governor making $40 billion dollar decisions about America's energy stockpile. She's a toppler of corrupt entrenched interests, and she didn't have 9 houses and millionaire relatives to back her up.

R
E
S
P
E
C
T

And it is inexcusable to feed into this public schadenfreud. The Democrats are not only savoring victory, they're sneering at our imbecilic lack of discipline, solidarity, omerta.

This is disgusting.

584 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:57:37pm

re: #522 Opinionated

You value your own opinions rather highly. Denny's fine restraunt has an excellent value at this time. Ones' opinions, combined with
$1.85, will get you unlimited coffee(free refills!). Enjoy.

585 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:57:37pm

re: #550 Typicalwhitey


re: #178 Sharmuta; If people here or anywhere don't think the exorcism curing cancer thing isn't lethal, then I'm clueless as to what to say. That's fringe territory.

Well Sharm I have to disagree with you.

I just watched a man get elected who associates with terrorists and felons, who admitted using cocaine, who said he would bankrupt the coal industry (and then those coal states voted for him anyway) who lies about his past, who has no record and whose pastor is taped preaching G.d Damn America and the chickens have come home to roost...

... I don't know if Jindal is electable or not. I didn't know about the exorcism thing. But how can that make him unelectable if obama is able to be elected?

Please, please, please explain to me how YOUR answer to Sharmuta's comment above has ANYTHING to do with what Sharmuta posted?

If you DON'T know about the exorcism thing, then how in the hell can you respond to Sharmuta since her posting was EVERYTHING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JINDAL AND HIS BELIEF IN EXORCISM.

586 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:09pm

re: #383 mama winger

I want to know if you can shut the hell up.


Well said...applause...applause!

587 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:22pm

re: #557 MandyManners

Before I rip a few new assholes, bbl.

Come on, MM, they could use at least a fissure or two

588 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:32pm

I happen to like Sarah Palin even if this story is true. It proves my read that she is a real person. Actually I had a sense how stressed out she was not in her eyes, but in her husband's. Dude was like, oh man I didn't sign up for this.

As for McCain, sure I voted for him yesterday, but he wasn't my choice in the Primary. It looked too much like Bob Dole all over again. Hey its my turn, get out of my way you whippersnappers. It was such a weak campaign he ran. He never gave me the impression he really wanted the job. No enthusiasm at all.

589 ClosetConservative  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:39pm

Dear god, the lefties are batshit crazy. A story about Palin meeting campaign staffers wearing a towel in number 3 on Glue Huffers' Post.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

590 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:49pm

Romney did not impress me during this campaign and I have heard ill spoken of his time in Massachusettes. He was more likely to have my support before than he does now.

591 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:58:54pm

I haven't been crazy about Palin but this looks too much like a pack of panic-stricken rats in a mad scramble to get off a sinking ship. The joke's on them: This ship isn't going to sink, but the rats will be left to drown.

592 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:04pm

re: #553 Inquisitive

... I for one will be very happy to have Sara Palin as President...even if she didn't know about NAFTA...or Africa...

That's frightening. That truly is the toll of doom.

There was a time when knowing the names of each continent wasn't regarded as elitist.

Heck, there was a time when the conservative party stood for making everyone smarter, better, wealthier, wiser. Elite wasn't a bad word.

593 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:12pm

re: #545 ClosetConservative

Well said.

594 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:15pm
595 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:23pm

re: #511 MandyManners

I'm not even going to ask what you think it symbolized!

596 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:24pm

They put Sarah up as the lightning rod to deflect the heavy incoming from McCain, and she held her own with style and grace. And now they want to dump the loss on her? Punks.

I don't know about 2012, but if I was advising her I'd say stay home in Alaska and do the good you've been doing, raise your family.

597 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 7:59:33pm

re: #589 ClosetConservative

Dear god, the lefties are batshit crazy. A story about Palin meeting campaign staffers wearing a towel in number 3 on Glue Huffers' Post.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Ah, if you haven't noticed, that's the same subject as this thread on LGF. Did you watch the video?

598 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:00pm

re: #579 karmic_inquisitor

While everyone is harping on McCain, look at the congress numbers.

Obama should have done much better. With all the crap the Republicans have been up against and a media cheering for a train wreck, BOTH McCain and Palin made it close.

Huckabee and Romney would have been turned into spackle and we'd be facing a 61 Democrat Senate and congress that would take a generation to recapture.

They did well. We did well.

Direct your anger at ACORN et al, George Bush's refusal to defend his decisions (but assume "history will vindicate him"), Pelosi and the "journalism profession".

Excellent post!

Thanks!

599 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:02pm

Well, this is it for me tonight. And probably for a good long while. I've spent waaay too much time on internet blogs and such over the past few months and all it's got me is an ulcer.

No more net surfin' for me (except maybe an occasional zombietime and iowahawk)...

'Night all.

600 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:07pm

re: #544 RememberSekhmet?

So, do these staffers work for Romney or Huckabee?

They are looking for something to do for the next 4 years.

The next 72 hours determine where people will go, and who will have money to pay them. First as consultants, then full time 2 years from now.

601 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:09pm

re: #590 lifeofthemind

Romney did not impress me during this campaign and I have heard ill spoken of his time in Massachusettes. He was more likely to have my support before than he does now.

I lived in Massachusetts during Romney's entire term as governor. I can't think of a single thing that he ever did. Or even said.

602 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:33pm
603 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:53pm

re: #564 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you related to Jackson, Tn?

Don't think so...why...may I ask

604 littleO  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:00:56pm

re463 alegrias
What the heck our you jumping on me about? Sexist Swine? thats idiotic!
We need to stop allowing old fart party chieftons pick nominee's because they feel it is their turn. Remember Bob Dole?
McCain probably did trash Palin> Thats not the point. He was the wrong candidate and so was she.We need a rebuilt party.A party that sticks to the platform and values of its' constituents.
cya sandman calling

605 jak  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:01:05pm

re: #588 Mich-again

Sarah is the first non-empty-suit political figure I can remember since Reagan. She has my respect, more than I can say for the rest of the republican party idiots.

606 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:01:06pm

re: #581 Alan K. Henderson

Anyone see a pattern here?

1976 - Moderate Republican Gerald Ford loses
...

Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

I just said very much the same thing to a family member this morning. Or was it last night? It's all such a blur.

607 Bob Dillon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:01:07pm

re: #551 rawmuse

Has anyone even thought of the fact that McCain, ironically, was victim of his own fund raising legislation?

Yeppers - left some gaping holes to be exploited - and they were.

608 Hobbes  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:04pm

These are a bunch of disgruntled staffers who were angry because they came over from other Republican campaigns after McCain won the primary. They wanted their candidate to be the running mate. A bunch of nasty "bitches" male or female who are obviously jealous of Sarah.

And, why doesn't Fox just get over it. Their candidate won. Now leave her alone. There's nothing to be gained by this kind of juvenile behavior. Unless they are following the Obama rules of destroy the enemy...clear the playing field.

609 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:08pm

re: #468 daledog

These are evidence of a lack of knowledge ...

What These?

She said she could see Russia from her house. Dumb thing to say - yes. Evidence of lack of knowledge - hardly.

By these do you mean the list of items rattled off by the gossipy Carl Cameron? Innuendo by weasly staffers looking for a scapegoat.

* * * *
Sarah Palin saying she couled see Russia from her house was a shorthand way of reminding geography-challenged Americans that yes, Alaska was formerly part of Russia, and closer to Russia than to the lower 48. Remember Spike Lee and other bright lights didn't know whether there were any black Americans in Alaska? It was NOT Sarah Palin who was naive & ignorant about geopolitics with the big global players.

610 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Another of my subscriptions cancelled.

611 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:24pm

Let the whining and backstabbing and fingerpointing go to it's extremes... then never ever rehire the whiny backstabbing fingerpointing asswipes for anything important ever...

Palin 2012...

Romney 2012...

Totally different person 2012?

Let's see what the next few years bring first.

612 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:46pm

re: #605 jak

Sarah is the first non-empty-suit political figure I can remember since Reagan.

This brings to mind the possibility of making sexist jokes but I shall refrain therefrom.

613 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:02:54pm

re: #581 Alan K. Henderson


Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

Its true, I read it on the internet.

614 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:03:14pm

re: #610 FightingBack

Another of my subscriptions cancelled.

If you're just now figuring out that The New Yorker might have leaned toward Obama, then I find your 'subscription' to be highly suspect.

;)

615 devil in baggy pants  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:03:15pm

re: #581 Alan K. Henderson

Anyone see a pattern here?

1976 - Moderate Republican Gerald Ford loses
1980 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1984 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1988 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush, whom everyone thinks to be a conservative, wins
1992 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush loses, his cover now blown
1996 - Somnambulist Republican Bob Dole loses
2000 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2004 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2008 - Moderate Republican John McCain loses

Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

I regret that I have but one upding to give. Excellent statement of the facts, sir.

Yet another post that shoots to hell the idea that the GOP needs to try to "capture the center".

616 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:03pm

re: #608 Hobbes

Sarah is a ratings booster. But I think this might backfire on fox. I can't watch them as it is, but if I was, I'd boycott them now along with all the other msm outlets.

617 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:23pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're talking New Yorker, here is the New Yorker's "election issue cover."

And in case you don't "get it," that's the light at the end of the tunnel.

Piss on 'em.

It looks to be 4 years away.
;)

618 kahn_mann  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:24pm

Personally, I would pay good money to be greeted by Sarah Palin in a towel. Hopefully these jackasses will lay off her so she might have a chance to be President someday (after a little more grooming...)

I thought it was comical to see that "60% of America" or whatever thought she was unqualified to be President. I guess that would mean, since she actually had more executive experience that Mr. "Present" Obama, that he is also unqualified. Pity that didn't come out in the polls, though.

619 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:35pm

re: #603 Inquisitive

Don't think so...why...may I ask

You both post the exact same way. I mean exactly the same.

620 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:47pm

re: #609 alegrias

re: #468 daledog

These are evidence of a lack of knowledge ...

What These?

She said she could see Russia from her house. Dumb thing to say - yes. Evidence of lack of knowledge - hardly.

By these do you mean the list of items rattled off by the gossipy Carl Cameron? Innuendo by weasly staffers looking for a scapegoat.

* * * *
Sarah Palin saying she couled see Russia from her house was a shorthand way of reminding geography-challenged Americans that yes, Alaska was formerly part of Russia, and closer to Russia than to the lower 48. Remember Spike Lee and other bright lights didn't know whether there were any black Americans in Alaska? It was NOT Sarah Palin who was naive & ignorant about geopolitics with the big global players.

Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.

Tina Fey said this on SNL.

Lots of people make mistakes about Sarah Palin.

A lot of trash is still out there.

621 ClosetConservative  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:53pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Don't worry- Under an Obama administration, nobody will be able to afford to pay $4.50 for a magazine best described as a leftist rag.

622 William  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:58pm

The simple fact is McCain lost because of the Housing Bubble bursting in 2005/2006, and subsequent Wall Street meltdown due to lost bets on mortgage-backed investments. The scapegoating of Palin is bad form.

That said, wouldn't someone such as Condi Rice, a deep thinker with deep experience, have been a better VP pick?

623 lifeofthemind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:04:58pm

Need to check something here. Thought for a second I was back on Michelle Malkin's blog with people screaming that McCain isn't pure enough and we need a real hard core marxist in the White House to make people yearn for a new Reagan. Are people who say things like that serious or in this wilderness of mirrors are they mobys sent by Axelrod?

Time to take a break from this.

624 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:14pm

Reading,reading,reading...and,

It is time for a trip into the desert. We need to do this.
Desolation and emptiness= being able to hear your own thoughts without the distractions that confuse clear thinking. This thing on FOX tonight,
think MAL WARE, think BOT, and then let it go. The identity of us that say we are Conservatives is to be able to transcend feeble (or concentrated) attempts to discredit our core beliefs. Yes my flag is down tonight, but I will work for the day when I will proudly put it up again. It is the simple act that points so strongly to the freedoms we are graced with in this country. My protest, simple and to some of you mis-guided, is still my right as an American. A tough day for us, a tough day for us. So into the desert with us then for some soul searching and some toughening up. 2 year election cycles seem to be the norm for now. We have much work to do.

Goodnight Lizards

625 alien_mind  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:18pm

re: #552 HelloDare

Thank heaven for some real news instead of those unsubstantiated rumors about
Obama's terrorist friends and co-workers. /


what was unsubstantiated about it? Obama himself admitted knowing those people.

626 FightingBack  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:20pm

re: #614 Cognito

Ah, it was a while ago. I had trouble disengaging from the Fiction. But I was able to do it.

627 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're talking New Yorker, here is the New Yorker's "election issue cover."

And in case you don't "get it," that's the light at the end of the tunnel.

Piss on 'em.

I am sure that is what an Iranian nuke blast would look like from within the NORAD complex at Cheyenne.

All we need is a little perspective.

628 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:24pm

There's a song for this sort of behavior. Now we need to find these failure's names out to make sure they don't get employed by Republicans again.

This is bullshit, people in Alaska generally have greater knowledge than the average Republican operative. 6 months out of the year there's not much to do but read, play cards, drink, and talk politics after all.

629 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:30pm
630 2by2  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:05:49pm

Gov Palin looks to me like a real successful woman, who apparently has an outstanding career in public life, while having a family (5 kids!) and obviously a loving relationship to her husband, who happens to be her High School sweetheart.
She is intelligent, full of positive energy, has a wholesome appearance, seems to be funny and fun to have her around, has religious beliefs, believes in America and its constitution, and ah, yes she is rather pleasant on the eyes.
You can't make this stuff up.
So, what is it that everyone seems to have a need to rip her into pieces?
Really curious...

631 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:04pm

re: #616 Sharmuta

Sarah is a ratings booster. But I think this might backfire on fox. I can't watch them as it is, but if I was, I'd boycott them now along with all the other msm outlets.

FNC is becoming indistinguishable from the rest of the MSM. The descent to the Dark Side is near complete.

632 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:04pm

re: #611 anotherindyfilmguy

Let the whining and backstabbing and fingerpointing go to it's extremes... then never ever rehire the whiny backstabbing fingerpointing asswipes for anything important ever...

Palin 2012...

Romney 2012...

Totally different person 2012?

Let's see what the next few years bring first.

a small government federalist 2012
Obamanomics should pave the way
someone who will stick to the correct answer "not the federal government's business" to all the right social and financial hotbutton issues

633 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:11pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're talking New Yorker, here is the New Yorker's "election issue cover."

And in case you don't "get it," that's the light at the end of the tunnel.

Piss on 'em.

And the Light is Obama. He is the Light of the World.

/bowing head

634 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:14pm

re: #615 devil in baggy pants

I think the center will come to us, but not if we're pushing religious agendas disguised as conservative ideals- like creationism.

635 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:36pm

I mentioned this on the Afternoon Open. Still disgusts me. IF the stories about her are true - and I don't believe them - then it should have been handled in-house.

I was not a big fan of McCain when he was nominated. Sarah Palin made me a rabid supporter. If anything, she kept the race closer than it otherwise would have been.

Shame on the "staffers" who are now blaming Sarah for the loss. Had you let Sarah be Sarah, this would have been a much closer race, in my opinion.

/rant

636 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:51pm

re: #630 2by2

Envy.

637 claire  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:57pm

This is gossip and gossip is one of the most destructive forces of human nature. Who gives a shit if some staffer with a stick up his butt was shocked at seeing Sarah in a bathrobe. I seriously doubt she thought Africa was a country, but you never know.

Has the entire world lost any shred of discretion and decorum and plain ole' dignity?

638 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:06:59pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Please, please, please explain to me how YOUR answer to Sharmuta's comment above has ANYTHING to do with what Sharmuta posted?

If you DON'T know about the exorcism thing, then how in the hell can you respond to Sharmuta since her posting was EVERYTHING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JINDAL AND HIS BELIEF IN EXORCISM.

Well Walter, I can respond to Sharm because she understands what I am going through.
I'm not going to explain my answer, suffice to say I am in a lot of pain right now and if you don't like my posts just fucking ignore them.

639 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:08pm

re: #631 FurryOldGuyJeans

Near?

640 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:10pm

Ire: #621 ClosetConservative

Don't worry- Under an Obama administration, nobody will be able to afford to pay $4.50 for a magazine best described as a leftist rag.

I'll stick with my wood working and fly fishing magazines, TYVM.

641 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:19pm

re: #619 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You both post the exact same way. I mean exactly the same.

It's not an insult in any way. Your writing styles are eerily similar.

642 Boogberg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:33pm

Charles said:

I don’t know what to say about this, except ... ugh.

Disturbing. I like Sarah Palin. But she should be able to point out some countries on a map of Africa. I guess I'm disappointed more than anything. Is there a law that says you must? No. But it would definitely be prudent to know world geography. Condi wouldn't have that problem.

643 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:37pm

QUIZ FOR OBAMA

1. How many states are there?

2. Are you on the Senate Banking Committee?

3. How many bombs hit Pear Harbor?
a. One
b. Two
c. More than two.

4. If you are elected President, how many years will you serve?
a. 8 to 10
b. 4 to 8
c. 2 to 6

5. True or False.
China's ports, train system and airports are vastly superior to the United States'?

6. Which army liberated Auschwitz?

7. What is the role of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

8. Which countries have UNSC veto power?

9. Bill Ayers is

a. an unrepentent terrorist
b. my friend.
a. & b.

10. Who has publicly admitted that you cause their leg to tingle?

A. Chris Matthews
B. Bernadine Dorn
C. Larry Craig
D. Barbara Walters
F. Scarlett Johansson

11. Who have you NOT thrown under the bus?

Rev. Wright
Your White Grandmother
Federico Fellini

12. Au Claire is a

State
City


13. Who lied about his vote on infantacide
A. Me
B. Sideshow Mel.


14. For the first time in her life, your wife was proud to be an American when

A. She had a chance of becoming First Lady.

B. She was never really proud till last night. Now she's insufferable.

644 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:47pm

re: #587 SpartanWoman

Come on, MM, they could use at least a fissure or two

No. It would morph into mis-placed anger and would be astronomical.

645 sngnsgt  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:52pm

OT

Any Mac geeks out there?

I have a midi music program that is only available for PC, and I want to run it on my Mac w/ OS 10. Anyone know of a freeware program that will allow me to do this? I have found some on-line, but they are pay before you play. I've even found trials on-line but can't seem to get them to run. I'm a Mac newbie, so go slow. I know there must be a freeware program I can do this with.

646 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:53pm

Maybe Oprah should pick the next GOP nominee...

647 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:53pm

re: #633 Occasional Reader

And the Light is Obama. He is the Light of the World.

Granted, blacklights are fun at parties, but when it comes to real world use . . .

648 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:55pm

re: #517 Adina in Judea

She's not over.

The MSM always says crap about Republicans.

They are the ones who ought to be finished.

I hope you're right. She's a great person and an awesome politician. I've just never in my life seen anything as obscene as what the media did to her.

/Palandine's car got keyed for having a "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" sticker

649 jak  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:07:57pm

re: #612 Moe Katz

Moe, Moe, Moe--I really meant that in a positive sense. Thanks for your restraint.

650 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:08:33pm

re: #609 alegrias

* * * *
Sarah Palin saying she couled see Russia from her house was a shorthand way of reminding geography-challenged Americans that yes, Alaska was formerly part of Russia, and closer to Russia than to the lower 48. Remember Spike Lee and other bright lights didn't know whether there were any black Americans in Alaska? It was NOT Sarah Palin who was naive & ignorant about geopolitics with the big global players.

Exactly. Many media-conformists I have talked to did not realize that you really can see Russia from Alaska (though not literally from Wasilla). In my experience, Alaskans are considerably more knowledgeable about geography than the average run of Americans, thanks to the state's unique geographical relationship to the rest of the country.
Here in Texas, there are many people who don't know that Canada is a foreign country. I tell them that it is the same thing on the north side that Mexico is on the south, and they usually get it. I also explain that the people are like Yankees, but more so; including the French-Canadians, who are something like yankee Cajuns. Some are convinced while others think I made it up out of thin air and Canada is just a chilly version of Kansas.

651 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:08:35pm

re: #595 wolfie

I'm not even going to ask what you think it symbolized!

Communism and Black Power.

652 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:08:37pm
653 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:08:43pm

re: #645 sngnsgt

What is the app?

654 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:08:54pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

Near?

When the Dems start praising FNC for being "fair and balanced", then the descent will be complete. As it stands there is some time and space left, but it is disappearing fast.

655 justin42  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:09:18pm

(hope this is ok to post) -- there is a thread over on Free Republic about sending Gov. Palin a thank you card, and/or making a donation in her name to the National Down Syndrome Society.. I'm definitely doing the latter. Without Palin, this would've been a COMPLETE blowout.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

656 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:09:22pm

re: #622 William

The simple fact is McCain lost because of the Housing Bubble bursting in 2005/2006, and subsequent Wall Street meltdown due to lost bets on mortgage-backed investments. The scapegoating of Palin is bad form.

That said, wouldn't someone such as Condi Rice, a deep thinker with deep experience, have been a better VP pick?

Condi went native at State and would not have added anything for those of us totally unexcited about McCain...and that sure as hell would have been seen as a gimmick.

657 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:09:50pm

re: #643 HelloDare

Too bad that journalism is so revoltingly low that they never asked these and more. If I was a journalist, I'd be ashamed to tell anybody.

658 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:09:59pm

re: #591 shiplord kirel

I haven't been crazy about Palin but this looks too much like a pack of panic-stricken rats in a mad scramble to get off a sinking ship. The joke's on them: This ship isn't going to sink, but the rats will be left to drown.

But, but, the rats drowning will mean that they're polluting the water! And the soon-to-be EPA superthugs will make someone incur the cost of those poor staffer rats ultimately sullying Our Precious Essences.

659 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:07pm

re: #645 sngnsgt

OT

Any Mac geeks out there?

I have a midi music program that is only available for PC, and I want to run it on my Mac w/ OS 10. Anyone know of a freeware program that will allow me to do this? I have found some on-line, but they are pay before you play. I've even found trials on-line but can't seem to get them to run. I'm a Mac newbie, so go slow. I know there must be a freeware program I can do this with.

Try Darwine. You'll probably have better luck with the stable 1.0.1 version than the beta 1.1.7 version.

660 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:11pm

re: #643 HelloDare

QUIZ FOR OBAMA

1. How many states are there?

2. Are you on the Senate Banking Committee?

3. How many bombs hit Pear Harbor?
a. One
b. Two
c. More than two.

4. If you are elected President, how many years will you serve?
a. 8 to 10
b. 4 to 8
c. 2 to 6

5. True or False.
China's ports, train system and airports are vastly superior to the United States'?

6. Which army liberated Auschwitz?

7. What is the role of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

8. Which countries have UNSC veto power?

9. Bill Ayers is

a. an unrepentent terrorist
b. my friend.
a. & b.

10. Who has publicly admitted that you cause their leg to tingle?

A. Chris Matthews
B. Bernadine Dorn
C. Larry Craig
D. Barbara Walters
F. Scarlett Johansson

11. Who have you NOT thrown under the bus?

Rev. Wright
Your White Grandmother
Federico Fellini

12. Au Claire is a

State
City


13. Who lied about his vote on infantacide
A. Me
B. Sideshow Mel.


14. For the first time in her life, your wife was proud to be an American when

A. She had a chance of becoming First Lady.

B. She was never really proud till last night. Now she's insufferable.

Actually, it's Eau Claire. I assume you mean Wisconsin.

661 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:29pm

re: #581 Alan K. Henderson

Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

No, but they had Heinz kosher dills in the supermarkets there!

662 jak  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:30pm

re: #630 2by2

2by--most eloquently said--IMHO, Sarah P seems like a real person, not a persona.

663 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:39pm

re: #638 Typicalwhitey

TW- I know you're upset. I have been deeply upset too. I'm feeling more like myself now after this afternoon's thread and forming a game plan for myself as to how I combat the sort of mindset that would allow this man the Oval Office.

But- we have to accept some of the cards we've been dealt. The msm is not going to play fair with our side. Jindal will be toast in the msm. It's best we accept that now and move on to a better star.

664 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:47pm

The next few months are going to be rough. There's a lot of pent-up conservative and GOP frustration going all the way back to (at least) the Republican-controlled Congress' spending spree. The party is going to have to hash out all of its frustrations, re-acquaint itself with what its constituents believe in and get back on its feet. It will take time. Today is just day one. I'm disappointed, but I'm not giving up.

665 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:55pm

re: #611 anotherindyfilmguy

Let the whining and backstabbing and fingerpointing go to it's extremes... then never ever rehire the whiny backstabbing fingerpointing asswipes for anything important ever...

Palin 2012...

Romney 2012...

Totally different person 2012?

Let's see what the next few years bring first.

Executive experience, private sector? instead of government.
Youthful, energetic, and articulate.
Solid conservative, without a lot of overt religiosity.

Let's start a search.

666 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:10:58pm

re: #602 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're talking New Yorker, here is the New Yorker's "election issue cover."

And in case you don't "get it," that's the light at the end of the tunnel.

Piss on 'em.

Red and black?

667 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #592 Cognito

That's frightening. That truly is the toll of doom.

There was a time when knowing the names of each continent wasn't regarded as elitist.

Heck, there was a time when the conservative party stood for making everyone smarter, better, wealthier, wiser. Elite wasn't a bad word.

What is frightening about it...read the rest of the post...she can at least learn about these things(if and that is a big if she really wasn't sure about what they are)...and by the way I am sure that other people have had temporary slips of the mind of whether some foreign soil is a country or continent...I did just that very thing a few weeks ago with some kids I tutor after school...I gave them the answer and then questioned myself and had to look it up...No toll of doom

668 jd171  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:06pm

If any body on the McCain staff wants to blame anybody for the failure of the campaign they should just look at who was at the head of the ticket. Surely one must jest that Gov. Palin called all of the shots. I have to agree with some of the other posts here. If it were not for the Gov., McCain would of have faced a landslide. If he would of have shown his cajones in this fight the results could very well of have been different. I have never seen a boxer get into the ring wearing a pair of white gloves, which is what McCain wore. He was not my first choice as candidate and who it was does not matter any more. I also have to say that if the staffers have a bone to pick the should also grow some cajones and not swear the reporters to secrecy. If you have something to say, say it dammit, and if you do not want anybody to know who you are keep your mouth shut and go about your business. Of course for these whimps it is more job security than anything else, buttheads.

JD171, out.

669 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:07pm

The Dole campaign was so bad that four years later I had forgotten that Kemp was his running mate.

re: #615 devil in baggy pants

Yet another post that shoots to hell the idea that the GOP needs to try to "capture the center".

The middle needs to be shown how Democrat policies will fail to meet the desires of everyday folks.

670 Hobbes  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:08pm

re: #616 Sharmuta

Sarah is a ratings booster. But I think this might backfire on fox. I can't watch them as it is, but if I was, I'd boycott them now along with all the other msm outlets.

I've pretty much boycotted them myself. I certainly hope you're right and this does backfire. Part of HOPE AND CHANGE...right?

671 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:19pm

re: #642 Boogberg

Charles said:

I don’t know what to say about this, except ... ugh.

Disturbing. I like Sarah Palin. But she should be able to point out some countries on a map of Africa. I guess I'm disappointed more than anything. Is there a law that says you must? No. But it would definitely be prudent to know world geography. Condi wouldn't have that problem.

Well, I had assumed that Charles was saying "ugh" about the gossipy backstabbers who are spreading vicious crap about Sarah Palin.

Charles gets this a lot, too, so I thought he was empathizing with her.

It's what occurred to me when I saw someone write about it earlier.

672 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:22pm

re: #642 Boogberg

You automatically believe what staffers say off record and anonymously, staffers who are disaffected and disgruntled because in the end they lost the f'in election? Staffers who are trying to short her carreer so they can promote someone elses?

673 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:26pm

re: #649 jak

Moe, Moe, Moe--I really meant that in a positive sense. Thanks for your restraint.

Heh, it wouldn't have been that funny anyway. When I make a risquée joke it has to be good enough to offset a whack from Mandy.

674 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:33pm

re: #666 MandyManners

Red and black?

An oncoming train.

675 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:43pm

re: #457 Opinionated

The only thing is, Barack Obama has known associations that are mind-blowingly huge, but were virtually ignored the whole campaign by the MSM. Wright? Nah, he wasn't there that day, and no one questioned that. Ayers/Dohrn? Just some people in the neighborhood, and no one questioned that. Rezko? So he made a deal with him for a house and property, no big deal, and no one questioned that. Joe the Plumber in his own yard, sought out by Obama, asked a tough question, got an honest answer. And JOE IS INVESTIGATED BY OHIO STATE AGENCIES!

"Present" votes in the state senate in the scores? So what, that was then, this is now. Never called his US senate sub-committee (which covers Afghanistan) to order? So what! The LA Times tape? Nope, our source asked us not to release it, and MSM said "non issue".

Then there's Joe Biden. 'nuff said.

But rumors possibly spread by disgruntled and pissed off staffers (or major McCain campaign officials, who had their asses handed to them yesterday) about Sarah Palin? HELL YES! LET'S RUN WITH THOSE WITHOUT NAMING ANY SOURCES' ACTUAL NAMES!

Show me a tape of Sarah Palin saying "I thought Africa is a country" or "NAFTA? What the heck is that?", give me a date for the tape and a context, and I'll rethink things.

But for a woman who has endured just over two months of constant attacks from not only the left but also from so-called "conservative" pundits, she sure finished her race with class and dignity. Never bitched about the extremely vile Bristol/Trig rumors, never bitched about any of the other rumors.

Just stayed classy. And drew crowds John McCain could only have fantasized about three months ago.

676 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:11:57pm

If anyone needs a pick-me-up, try the National Geographic Channel right now. They have a show on about bringing down the Chicago mob. Just watch and imagine them bringing down the political mob of Chicago as well.

677 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:12:12pm

re: #643 HelloDare

Ummm- It's "Eau Claire".

678 alegrias  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:12:14pm

re: #563 Iron Fist

As an aside, black and red were the colors of Sandino's flag during the Marist revolution in Nicarauga. I'm sure that WAB picked the colors because they highlite her lovely eyes.

* * *
Coughcough, her dress was by one designer called Narciso Rodriguez--either SPanish or Latino. Red & black figure prominently in those countries' fashions.

679 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:13:13pm

re: #652 buzzsawmonkey

I believe that, contrary to your assertion, I did see Palin say that on a YouTube clip.

She said that Russia was visible from PART OF ALASKA, not her home.

This is where Tina Fey got the idea to say she could see it from her home, but it's not what Sarah Palin actually said.

Palin was right that part of Russia is visible from part of Alaska.

680 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:13:15pm

Anyone else notice the MSM is already in the mode of lowering expectations for the Obama administration. Two days ago it was all hope and change. Today its all yeah, but...

Its the first layer of blocks in the "it's still Bush's fault" wall. The Dems have the White House and both houses of Congress and all their cheering section in the media can do in response is work to lower expectations. Remember rule#1 of the left. Whenever our policies fail, its only because they didn't go far enough.

In 4 years they will still be blaming GWB and the remaining GOP influence over Congress and the Supreme Court. And they will still be dredging up racism to smear dissenters.

681 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:13:17pm
682 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:13:47pm

re: #652 buzzsawmonkey

I believe she said that there's an Island in Alaska where you can see Russia, an absolutely true statement. The mayor of SF's son walked across the ice from that island to Russia and got arrested one year IIRC.

So do you have a link to a vid where Sarah herself says she can see Russia from her house?

683 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #660 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Actually, it's Eau Claire. I assume you mean Wisconsin.

Elitist!
/

684 Longbow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:04pm

re: #374 Cognito

Not about that.

As I said a moment ago, if she were just going to head home and lead a long and productive life serving the citizens of Alaska, I wouldn't care about the substantial stuff. (And I don't care about the gossipy stuff, either way.)

But if she's going to step into a position on the national stage, I want to know if she can take the field with skill.

The problem with that is this , her political enemies are attempting to lure her into a media trap she cannot win and in the process , permanently eliminate her from presidential consideration in 2012 or even better get her out of politics forever for the sake of whoever is running that year , Obama against the Republican candidates . That is the main goal , all they ask is to have Sarah Palin defend herself and with careful edits , have youtube do the rest . The best answer for Sarah is ignore it and show what she is made of by returning to being as Governor of Alaska and do what she do best , govern that state with all her heart and mind and be faithful to the mandate that the Alaskans have given her . People can then see , how she handles adversity and if she succeeds magnificently against multiple attacks against her and lead Alaska to be prosperous , whatever supposed failings she had will be forgotten and instead , her success will be a benchmark in which even the President of the United States , Barack Obama will be compared .

For now , Sarah Palin must now forget about being a VP candidate and instead return to the mindset of a reform minded Governor whose main task is to do what it's best for Alaska and it's people . Screw the rest .

685 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:13pm

re: #660 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Actually, it's Eau Claire. I assume you mean Wisconsin.

Didn't you hear? Eau Claire is a big important state! (5:53 - 6:06)

686 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:23pm

re: #677 Sharmuta

Ummm- It's "Eau Claire".

See my #660. : )

687 Hucbald  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:38pm

I posted that Sara Palin should be McCain's pick a full six months before she was selected, and when she was selected I predicted that she would be blamed for McCain's loss. Well, I'm right about this too: If McCain had picked ANYONE ELSE he would have lost by a far larger margin. All these Frummian idiots who think Republicans need to move left can lick my balls. They're idiots. Palin got the conservatives out to vote, when Romney, especially, would have inspired them to stay home.

Palin went from the frying pan into the fire, and she did pretty well, considering the hostile environment she entered at a moment's notice. And, I might add, EVERYONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS HER says she learned exactly what she needed to learn to play on the national stage. Hell, she drew bigger crowds than Biden or McCain, and out-drew Obama in some regions.

If you don't like Sarah Palin, I have some bad news for you: She'll be back. With a vengeance.

688 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:43pm

re: #628 Thanos

Low class backstabbing pieces of trash is what they are. This speaks volumes about McCain's character that he hired these people.

689 2by2  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:14:44pm

re: #636 rawmuse

yeah. I get that.
Maybe she was also perceived as a real danger for the established ways of Wash DC.
She would have been the real change in politics, suddenly someone out there who is real, I believe that everyone felt that, background and all Truman comes to mind, as I have read today, and fully agree with.
Just hope she's not gone from the national stage, we could use a female Truman in 2012.

690 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:44pm

re: #675 Intrepid

RIGHT ON!

691 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:45pm

re: #663 Sharmuta

TW- I know you're upset. I have been deeply upset too. I'm feeling more like myself now after this afternoon's thread and forming a game plan for myself as to how I combat the sort of mindset that would allow this man the Oval Office.

But- we have to accept some of the cards we've been dealt. The msm is not going to play fair with our side. Jindal will be toast in the msm. It's best we accept that now and move on to a better star.


Thanks Sharm for listening to me vent.

Do you have someone in mind?

692 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #683 Typicalwhitey

Elitist!
/

Well, that and the fact that my Mom was born there!

693 jak  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #675 Intrepid

Don't forget O!'s paper trail--oops, I forgot, there is no paper trail.

And don't try to find any of Sarah's public dealings as Governor of a State--oops, there really are accessible public records there.

694 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:54pm

re: #686 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

See my #660. : )

I LOVE Eauclaires! Especially, with hot chocolate.

695 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:15:57pm

re: #668 jd171

If any body on the McCain staff wants to blame anybody for the failure of the campaign they should just look at who was at the head of the ticket.

McCain was certainly handed talking points on a silver platter. hell, he didn't even have to pay a staff to dig up the problematic aspects of the other candidate, the respected blogs did most of the footwork for him.

But he opted to keep thing low-keyed. He showed some sort of character, not often seen in national politics. And that's one of the big reasons he lost. That character was not what one wants to use if one wants to win.

Can't fault him for that, but it was his own fault.

696 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:08pm

198 FrogMarch 11/05/08 7:10:02 pm reply quote 3
re: #99 Sharmuta
No- they want to steal her thunder because she stole theirs. Petty.
Petty is right. Creeps.

Thank goodness. We ARE on the same page after all.
I can't triple-ding you two, so hence the "mash note"

697 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:12pm

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

If anyone needs a pick-me-up, try the National Geographic Channel right now. They have a show on about bringing down the Chicago mob. Just watch and imagine them bringing down the political mob of Chicago as well.

Good choice, just switched to it.

698 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:24pm

The revolt of the Media Handlers!


Nothing so rabid as a defeated Media Handler. Rabies shots all round!

More real people saying what they think and LESS Media Handling, Briefing, and general (Let's make all candidates glove puppets of the Media obermeisters!)

699 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:30pm

re: #680 Mich-again

Anyone else notice the MSM is already in the mode of lowering expectations for the Obama administration. Two days ago it was all hope and change. Today its all yeah, but...

Its the first layer of blocks in the "it's still Bush's fault" wall. The Dems have the White House and both houses of Congress and all their cheering section in the media can do in response is work to lower expectations. Remember rule#1 of the left. Whenever our policies fail, its only because they didn't go far enough.

In 4 years they will still be blaming GWB and the remaining GOP influence over Congress and the Supreme Court. And they will still be dredging up racism to smear dissenters.

I'm waiting for the first time Obama has to deploy the military and we hear nothing from the Code Pink wackjobs and the freaks calling Obama a warmonger.

700 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:38pm

re: #677 Sharmuta

Ummm- It's "Eau Claire".

Yup. 15 miles down the road.

701 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:45pm

You know, I don't care if she thinks jobs is a three letter word. She brought out and energized the Republican base to an extent McCain could only dream of otherwise.

/you don't like the Republican base, fine, but no Republican will ever win without it

702 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:47pm

re: #675 Intrepid

Excellent post!

703 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:16:53pm

re: #641 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


Would that be a mirror reply? Or a Double-Double retort?

704 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:07pm

Memo to Senator Palin

From your media campaign team

Date: Dec 20, 2011

We'll meet after the Christmas holidays in your office to discuss your media schedule for Jan & Feb :

- Appearance on Fox's "Are you Smarter than a Third Grader?" . Extra bonus: We're working out the logistics with Fox to include a few of the students from Piper's elementary school as your competition.
- Martha Stewart's Valentine's Day cooking special. You and the First Dude will share some of your favorite romantic recipes with Martha.
- Ellen - get out your dancin' shoes lady. She still doesn't believe that you have anything but country music on your Ipod.
- "Meet the Press" - finally! I know you hated Brokaw but we were sorry to hear about his passing last month. They're still wobbly on the guest host. They're expecting the biggest ratings in their 60-year history.
-"David Letterman" - the kiss and make up show. Dave is still apologizing for how his staff treated you back in the summer.
-SNL" -Lorne was so disappointed that you couldn't host for their Christmas show but they're hyped about next's weak surprise appearance.
"The View" - Just got word that we got lucky and hit one of the days during Joy's vacation.

Still the Fox News ban? We're getting calls every day from Glenn and Bill.

Phew! You better get some rest!


---

How low has our Republic sunk that our politicians are pressured into sucking up to almost every idiot with a couch and microphone?
-

705 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:09pm

I think I'm going to write a letter to the Governor of Alaska and tell her thank you.

I hope the Governor's mansion gets flooded with good mail.

706 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:15pm

re: #581 Alan K. Henderson

Anyone see a pattern here?

1976 - Moderate Republican Gerald Ford loses
1980 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1984 - Conservative Republican Ronald Reagan wins
1988 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush, whom everyone thinks to be a conservative, wins
1992 - Moderate Republican George HW Bush loses, his cover now blown
1996 - Somnambulist Republican Bob Dole loses
2000 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2004 - Moderate-conservative Republican George W. Bush barely wins
2008 - Moderate Republican John McCain loses

Yeah, it's Palin's fault. And the Saudi embassy serves pork ribs.

Excellent post. Have you ever noticed too that all the dirt on Palin is stuff that has no tangible evidence, unlike Obama's lies and past associatiations which are all videotaped, microfiched, documented, etc.?

4 years ago, after 4 years of war, Bush policies, and the American people know what a Bush presidency is like, the majority of people in this country voted for him. This year by a margin of 6%

707 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:26pm

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

708 Gretchen  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:42pm

I'm not watching the tape the treatment of Sarah Palin is unbelievable.

Anyway, I decided something today. I will do my best to give President Obama a chance - until September 11, 2009. That's how long President Bush was given until he was blamed for all the evils in the world.

It's going to be tough, but I will do my best unless Israel is incinerated before then or he starts his Civilian Defense Corps (SS anyone?).

709 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:51pm

re: #700 logboy

Would you be mad if I said I hated that town?

710 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:17:52pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. That is what I have been trying to say. Fox is a fucking commercial venture. Their bottom line is money.

I'm not saying this is true. But it is a double standard if one week we like Fox, and then the next week we hate Fox.

If this is not true, then it up to the McCain folks to deny it. It is up to Palin to make a statement.

And as Cognito said, Fox probably has the facts neatly tied up. It would be suicide on their part to just drop a phony story like this on the public.

Gag. . .they bit the cyanide caplet when they let Hannity run free. . .the "suicide" you speak of? Already happened. . .think reanimation, renewal, repentance. . .to the dear leader.

Fox gambled one the American people and lost to the other MSM outlets dirty tricks. . .are you SERIOUS with this crap?

711 JacksonTn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:05pm

re: #619 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You both post the exact same way. I mean exactly the same.

You mean like this ...? ...

So, is it clear now ...the only way to defeat Obama in 2012 is down and dirty ... they will fight no other way ...but I do not see how he can be defeated unless there are changes in the voting registration and identification at the polls. ACORN must be investigated and given no federal funding ... I hope there are special investigators and it is a clean (if there is such a thing) investigation.

I have a really bad hangover today from the five beers I drank last night ...I rarely ever drink ...I also want to say I am sorry if I said anything that offended anyone ...except Obama.

712 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:20pm

re: #689 2by2

Maybe she was also perceived as a real danger for the established ways of Wash DC.

Absolutely.

713 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:40pm

(cont'd from 706...doggone it hit Post by mistake) 7% of the vote Obama beats McCain. The country is very, very fickle, a lot can change about public attitude in 4 years.

714 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:47pm

re: #679 Adina in Judea

Part of Russia is visible from Obama's press policy.

715 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:47pm

re: #628 Thanos

What they do?

716 jak  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:18:52pm

re: #680 Mich-again

Have we forgotten Bill Clinton? Didn't he find out days after taking office that things were so screwed up that he couldn't give "us" that tax break after all? What's the phrase "Bait and switch"! YOu ain't seen nothing yet.

717 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:04pm
718 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:04pm

re: #712 Adina in Judea

So is Ralph Nader and Ron Paul.

719 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:05pm

Oh well, I've got to bolt. But for those of you thinking of jettisoning the social conservative wing of the GOP, the ones that make large families, never fail to vote, fill the pews and the ranks of the military, in favor of the Rockefeller wing of the GOP, the ones that sit out elections, live alone, get divorces, and throw rocks at the other wing, well, all I can say is...

Good luck with that one.

720 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:28pm

re: #674 shiplord kirel

An oncoming train.

A red and black oncoming train? Hmm...if it's in North America, chances are its gotta be Canadian National, or Metro North with a New York, New Haven & Hartford retro-livery.

Oh, erm... yeah...where the hell did that come from? Sorry about that.

721 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:32pm

re: #681 Iron Fist

The problem is that everyone has some skeletons in the closet.

Hey! Those charges were dropped, I done told you.

722 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:19:42pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

How in the hell could you ever fucking suggest such a damn stupid assed thing like that, you commie shit head.

/s

723 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:02pm

re: #694 brickthruplateglasswindow

I LOVE Eauclaires! Especially, with hot chocolate.

ROFL!

724 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:17pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Dude, she was garnering bigger crowds than McCain was! She was a fine choice. If McCain picked any of the other candidates (Romney, Huckabee) the media fodder would have been worse.

"But you savaged McCain in the primaries for this . . . "

She was a fresh face that energized people. Just what you expect out of a VP.

Just my $0.02.

725 2by2  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:18pm

re: #662 jak

thx,
not being a persona, makes her apparently into a dangerous threat for all the other 'on air talent/personalities' out there.

726 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:20pm

re: #694 brickthruplateglasswindow

I LOVE Eauclaires! Especially, with hot chocolate.

How would you feel about a Bear Claw?

727 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:34pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Palin was fine, it was the presidential nominee who wasn't a good choice.

728 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:41pm

re: #699 JohnAdams

I'm waiting for the first time Obama has to deploy the military and we hear nothing from the Code Pink wackjobs and the freaks calling Obama a warmonger.

Well I think that is why obiden was saying what he said about being tested and that his supporters will have to use their influence when they tank in the polls.
Personally I feel that pretty soon after Jan, the media will start turning on him.
They always do.

729 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:44pm

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

How in the hell could you ever fucking suggest such a damn stupid assed thing like that, you commie shit head.

If I collect enough downdings I get a free carton of smokes and a t-shirt.

730 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:46pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

No one else could have helped McCain as much as she did, though.

No one else has her charisma.

She was the best choice in a very difficult situation (i.e., up against $600 million and almost the entire MSM acting as Obama's campaign staff 24x7.)

731 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:20:49pm

re: #619 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You both post the exact same way. I mean exactly the same.


LOL
I will have to start paying closer attention to Jackson, Tn post...and no ... I am not a sock puppet for Jackson, Tn and Jackson, Tn is not a sock puppet for me...

732 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:12pm

re: #643 HelloDare

This is the single greatest post I have read all day.

You made me smile :)

733 caligal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:25pm

re: #720 Quad Mocha Matti

re: #720 Quad Mocha Matti

no, no, it was michelle last night in her designer dress.

734 swamprat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:31pm

re: #688 MrPaulRevere

Low class backstabbing pieces of trash is what they are. This speaks volumes about McCain's character that he hired these people.

I think I know some things about your character, now.

735 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:33pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Jesus could not have done better. McCain was going to lose this unless something unbelievable and unforeseen had happened. This election was far more about Obama and George Bush than either of them.

736 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:40pm

re: #727 DesertSage

Go ahead and nominate her in 2012. Good luck with that.

737 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:51pm

You know, I'm watching Enter The Dragon. "Mr. Han's" guards on the Island make the USS Enterprise's security guards look downright useful.

738 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:52pm

re: #660 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #677 Sharmuta

Thanks. Corrected.

739 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:21:54pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

I think I'm going to write a letter to the Governor of Alaska and tell her thank you.

I hope the Governor's mansion gets flooded with good mail.

Great idea, Sharmuta. I will do so too.

740 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:02pm

re: #719 rawmuse

Oh well, I've got to bolt. But for those of you thinking of jettisoning the social conservative wing of the GOP, the ones that make large families, never fail to vote, fill the pews and the ranks of the military, in favor of the Rockefeller wing of the GOP, the ones that sit out elections, live alone, get divorces, and throw rocks at the other wing, well, all I can say is...

Good luck with that one.

That's a two way street and you guys better start keeping that in mind. Go ahead- drive us away by insisting on social issues being the driving force.

Good luck winning.

741 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:11pm

re: #736 Killgore Trout

Go ahead and nominate her in 2012. Good luck with that.

Are you still here?

742 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:13pm

re: #733 caligal

re: #720 Quad Mocha Matti

no, no, it was michelle last night in her designer dress.

It was among the finest patterns I've ever seen from Levitz.

743 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:23pm

re: #703 nightwatch

Would that be a mirror reply? Or a Double-Double retort?

Whatever floats your boat.

744 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:38pm

re: #720 Quad Mocha Matti

A red and black oncoming train? Hmm...if it's in North America, chances are its gotta be Canadian National, or Metro North with a New York, New Haven & Hartford retro-livery.

Oh, erm... yeah...where the hell did that come from? Sorry about that.

Didn't whatisname, the anarchist warlord in Dr. Zhivago, use a red and black armored train?

745 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:46pm

re: #630 2by2


So, what is it that everyone seems to have a need to rip her into pieces?
Really curious...

JEALOUSY

746 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:52pm

re: #735 JohnAdams

Jesus could not have done better.


If JC wanted McCain as president he would have miracled his ass into office.

747 caligal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:22:55pm

who would have generated as much excitement?
she is great! and I hope she does well back in her home state.

748 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:18pm

I'm outta' here, folks.

749 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:20pm

re: #741 mama winger

Are you still here?


I think so.

750 nightwatch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:21pm

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

BP Walter...BP!

751 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:28pm

re: #719 rawmuse

Oh well, I've got to bolt. But for those of you thinking of jettisoning the social conservative wing of the GOP, the ones that make large families, never fail to vote, fill the pews and the ranks of the military, in favor of the Rockefeller wing of the GOP, the ones that sit out elections, live alone, get divorces, and throw rocks at the other wing, well, all I can say is...

Good luck with that one.

yuppers

752 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:39pm

re: #732 mama winger

Thanks.

753 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:51pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Curious here. Which choice(s) do you think would have helped McCain more? I'm not sure anyone could have helped McCain win, He ran such a weak campaign. Hard to picture who could have put him over the top.

754 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:54pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

re: #712 Adina in Judea

So is Ralph Nader and Ron Paul.

Heh!

They both have a deeply disturbed following, but it never amounts to much.

755 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:23:59pm

re: #711 JacksonTn

You mean like this ...? ...

So, is it clear now ...the only way to defeat Obama in 2012 is down and dirty ... they will fight no other way ...but I do not see how he can be defeated unless there are changes in the voting registration and identification at the polls. ACORN must be investigated and given no federal funding ... I hope there are special investigators and it is a clean (if there is such a thing) investigation.

I have a really bad hangover today from the five beers I drank last night ...I rarely ever drink ...I also want to say I am sorry if I said anything that offended anyone ...except Obama.

Yes...it must be the...

756 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:02pm

re: #102 maddogg

We need to run Palin and this guy in 2012.

OK - There needs to be a scholarship dug up from somewhere to get this guy whatever qualifications he needs. He has a gift. Regardless of what they say about him, we need him and many more as a battering ram against their thought control - trying to define what every African-American should be, and what they should think

757 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:02pm

Up until recently, I have attempted to politely ignore KT's posts. Who want's to join me in sawing of the limb that KT's venturing out on?

/sarc/or not.

758 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:02pm

So I still don't get it.

Are we supposed to blame McCain, Palin or some other Republican personality?

As if any one of them had an even field to play on and a fair shot at winning?

The blame goes to the GOP Congress members who decided to outdo the Democrats when it came to buying favor in Washington using taxpayer money. We are still dealing with the after effects.

If there is going to be a GOP winner in 2012 and a shot at winning seats in 2010, then there has to be a strategy that will be efective. That strategy will have to convince people that the Republican they will vote for won't become a Duke Cunningham or Tom Delay. People have to know that the economic conservative they are voting for will actually fight for smaller government instead of getting in the earmark line.

Because Obama has set a trap for himself - he cannot spend what he has promised without busting the budget AND raising taxes. He will probably piss everyone off by not delivering on many of his programs, raising taxes and busting the budget. The numbers don't lie.

759 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #726 gmsc

How would you feel about a Bear Claw?

Also delicious! And on that note...I'm off to the fridge!

Keep the faith all y'all. Translated: Keep on keepin' on for the atheists/agnostics.

Remember, it's okay to chew on fellow lizards, but spit them back out when done.

760 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #736 Killgore Trout

Go ahead and nominate her in 2012. Good luck with that.

She has a better chance then anyone else I see in the GOP right now.

761 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:15pm

re: #716 jak

Have we forgotten Bill Clinton? Didn't he find out days after taking office that things were so screwed up that he couldn't give "us" that tax break after all? What's the phrase "Bait and switch"! YOu ain't seen nothing yet.

I hope like hell you're right. He told McCain he'd accept federal campaign money, then turned around and did what he wanted. We could only be so lucky if he tells the Kos wackos to piss off and moves to the center where he can actually govern the people.

762 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:17pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

If I collect enough downdings I get a free carton of smokes and a t-shirt.

LOL. By the way, do you smoke? It doesn't seem like something you would indulge in. I stopped cold on Aug. 18th. But gosh, my appetite has been ravenous since then.

763 ar.cher  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:20pm

the only positive of the obama election is that mccain and those around him got what they deserved as result. what a bunch of weasels.

764 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:25pm

re: #247 Opinionated

Where Putin represents Russia. Russia has returned to flying bombers along the ADZ. Which technically is not US airspace as within 7 naut miles. Intercepts are launched to escort them as they skirt the ADZ. It is an old, old game.

765 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:28pm

re: #704 sagamoregal

You are really pathetic. And annoying.

766 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:30pm

re: #301 USCMSNE

A while back, Howard Wolfson was on the Oreilly show and he claimed to have proof that Bush cronies profited on the bungling of the Katrina aftermath. Oreilly asked Wolfson if he could back that claim up, and he replied he'd provide the "evidence". That show was on a Monday and that following Thursday I emailed the show reminding them of the outlandish claims and their "promise" to air it. I'm still holding my breath///. I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'd wager this sensationalism is more of the same. The wife DVR'd the show to see what Rove had to say. We're watching it now.

Rove is just another one that was 100% in the tank for Romney.

767 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:24:52pm

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

768 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:25:15pm

re: #724 Wyatt Earp

Dude, she was garnering bigger crowds than McCain was! She was a fine choice. If McCain picked any of the other candidates (Romney, Huckabee) the media fodder would have been worse.

"But you savaged McCain in the primaries for this . . . "

She was a fresh face that energized people. Just what you expect out of a VP.

Just my $0.02.

Hey Wyatt!

I have to agree with you.
It was a proud day for me to take my daughter out of school to see Sarah and SHOW her that she can grow up and be anything!

769 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:25:25pm
770 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:25:31pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Pulling out a saw and hacking off the limb.

You're wrong!

771 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:25:42pm

Mama Winger lost her dinger and doesn't know where to find it...

772 caligal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:25:48pm

Re:#643
I got them all right! Can I now be president or even VP?

773 wong fei hung  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:00pm

CaLL mE CrAzy, but I like how things are going.

Yes, the uglier it gets for the right wing... the more I like it. Because...

THIS IS THE MOMENT. OUR MOMENT. NOT BARACK'S. NOT THE SOCIALISTS.

Obama won by 7%. Not 20%. This was not an election for Barack Obama as much as it was one against George Bush. And that's fine. Because George Bush is no conservative. Fox News isn't conservative.

WE ARE CONSERVATISM.

Let the scum have their fun. Let them take the country to the breaking point. It is under these conditions that AUTHENTIC CONSERVATISM takes root and flowers. And with every day of this nonsense, WE take one more step toward returning...

...with a @#%(#%! VENGEANCE.

Do you trust a McCain campaign that wouldn't push the most salient issues against Obama?

Do you trust Fox News? O'Reilly, who tosses softballs at Barack so he'll come on his show?

Sarah Palin is not perfect, bless her heart. No one is. But she's a CONSERVATIVE. She's one of us. That's why we were excited about her. She made it a RACE again. And that's a THREAT. It's a threat to the establishment. AND SO ARE WE. They will do everything they can to divide us, to sully us, to bury us.

F*** 'EM.

Now is the time to organize. To be vocal. To get involved. To run for office. We can't trust in anything but each other. Because regardless of religious belief, sexual persuasion, color, gender, whatever... we have PRINCIPLE.

Let the angry left hate, for hate corrupts. It weakens them and make us stronger. This is not the end. This is the first day of the rest of CONSERVATISM'S life.

WE ARE CONSERVATISM - let's let the rest of the country know about it.

-WFH

774 nigella  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:17pm

Hi all, I was so mad when I heard this I called McCain. Of course I got an answering machine and I unloaded. I was polite of course, but I said it better not be true his staff is doing this. If they are could they have been Obama plants? just asking. I also e-mailed Governor Palin to thank her and tell her I would vote for her in 2012. Just seething here!

775 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:24pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

Yep, as I get older . . .

776 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:35pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

Mine's working pretty well, especially for someone my age who has had two heart attacks.
Oh.
Never mind.

777 Boogberg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:51pm

re: #671 Adina in Judea

Well, I had assumed that Charles was saying "ugh" about the gossipy backstabbers who are spreading vicious crap about Sarah Palin.

Well now that you mention it, Charles wasn't very clear. He's probably leaving it for us to sort out. I invite him to clarify his opinion on the matter though. :D

778 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:54pm

Sarah Palin is and was simply awesome.

If I could point the finger at anyone entity who contributed to Obama's win, I would point to the MSM.

I think I will do just that.

It's easy to win with 24/7 , 365 free advertising.

779 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:58pm

re: #768 Typicalwhitey

Hey Wyatt!

I have to agree with you.
It was a proud day for me to take my daughter out of school to see Sarah and SHOW her that she can grow up and be anything!

Agreed. This whole "Throw Sarah under the bus" idea is pointless and ignorant. We lost. Let's stop the bickering and infighting, regroup, and look toward 2010.

780 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:26:59pm

re: #503 Palandine

Whoa. I NEVER trashed her. I defended her to all my friends and family, and succeeded in turning some of their opinions around. I wouldn't have voted for McCain if he hadn't picked her; I don't vote for RINOs. I gave hundreds of dollars to the campaign because of Sarah Palin.

She's over because she's been unfairly crucified by the media. THAT's why I say the MSM is dead to me now.

I don't believe the rumors about her, and I find the behavior of the anonymous McCain staffers beneath contempt.

And women who are avowed feminists led the charge with their pitchforks sharp and their torches lit on full. . .

781 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:00pm

re: #611 anotherindyfilmguy

Let the whining and backstabbing and fingerpointing go to it's extremes... then never ever rehire the whiny backstabbing fingerpointing asswipes for anything important ever...


Kick Ass and Take Names. These weaklings should have NO future in the Republican machine.
Discipline. Solidarity. Omerta.

782 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:12pm

re: #746 Killgore Trout

If JC wanted McCain as president he would have miracled his ass into office.

Precisely my point.

783 princetrumpet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:14pm

Welcome to the Republican party. Do you have any young? We're extremely hungry.

784 Crusty  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:21pm

re: #699 JohnAdams

I'm waiting for the first time Obama has to deploy the military and we hear nothing from the Code Pink wackjobs and the freaks calling Obama a warmonger.

If he deploys military forces the MSM headlines will read "Our Brave, Dear Leader Obama Brings Us Great Victory." Schools will make small children place flowers at his statue and bow. Code Pink will stage a retroactive anti-Bush demonstration.

785 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:23pm

Have you guys heard about “Islamic Finance 101” taking place?
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy warns that the president-elect should avoid financing his great society with tainted Islamic-correct petro dollars, saying their strings might be attached inextricably to the nation’s worst extremist enemies.

With Barack Obama’s victory Tuesday sucking the oxygen from the air, few are focusing on Thursday, the day the U.S. Treasury Department will embrace the so-called “Shariah-Compliant Finance” or SCF.

If “Shariah” doesn’t ring any bells other than sounding foreign and somewhat ominous, it is simply the “religio-political-legal code authoritative Islam seeks to impose worldwide under a global theocracy,” Gaffney said.

The Treasury Department will host a “seminar for the policy community” entitled “Islamic Finance 101,” and it’s all about getting warm and fuzzy with SCF. Co-sponsoring the event is the Islamic Finance Project at Harvard Law School.

Harvard has benefitted mightily from the infusion of millions of dollars from a Wahhabi Saudi prince and his government, Gaffney said.

Yes, it’s all about money.

U.S. financial institutions, reeling from the credit crunch, are hungrily eyeballing more than $1 trillion in petrodollars, including Shariah-compliant bonds, mutual funds, mortgages, insurance, hedge funds, and real estate investment trusts.

Dow Jones Corp. has even created its own index for Islamic-correct investments: the Dow Jones Islamic Index, according to The Coalition to Stop Shariah.

Enter Uncle Sam, the always cash-strapped giant that must feed at any convenient trough these days, regardless of what strings are attached.

And what a trough it is. The global Shariah market is growing at a 15 percent pace, courtesy of the oil boom and resurgence in Islamic fundamentalism, according to the Center for Security Policy. It’s expected to more than double during the next 10 years.

Attractive chunk of available change and maybe even an imperative, but some watchdogs are ringing alarm bells.

Investors Business Daily recently examined Shariah-compliant finance and its involvement with investments and other transactions that have been structured to conform to the orthodox teachings of Islamic law.

“That means they can’t charge or earn interest, the cornerstone of our credit-driven economy,” the business publication advised. “Nor can they take any stake in ‘haram,’ or forbidden, industries, including meat and beverage producers (if they process any pork or alcohol); entertainment; gaming; and interest-based financing.

“Wall Street is jumping into this hot new market oblivious to the risks not just to the bottom line, but to national security. It knows little about Shariah law and is turning to consultants to create ‘ethical’ products to sell.

“Lost in the hype over these Muslim-friendly funds is that they must ‘purify’ their returns by transferring at least 3 percent into Islamic charities, many of which funnel funds to terrorists.”

Bottom line: Shariah law obligates that a sizable portion of “zakat,” or giving — one of the pillars of Islam — go to support jihad. So many of the purification donations generated from Shariah finance could wind up in the hands of our enemy.

Gaffney sees the latest Federal interest in SCF products as leading to dangerous ends.

“Such submission — the literal meaning of ‘Islam’ — is not likely to remain confined long to the Treasury or its sister agencies,” he said. “Thanks to the extraordinary authority conferred on Treasury since September, backed by the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief, the department is now in a position to impose its embrace of Shariah on the U.S. financial sector.

"CHANGE"

786 wright1  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:37pm

IN 2 PARTS: Since the election result I have not posted primarily because I could not get on the LGF highway. I have not read the posting(s) leading up to this post. But I would like to say a couple of things. I was one of the individuals trying to keep up morale. Obviously, the choice has been made and my comments among many here who tried to stay positive are now proven incorrect. I am not happy and this is beyond an understatement. And for those nay-sayers who said they knew things were going badly, I give you a free fire shot at me for being "polyannish" . Many of us are utterly distraught. I took off of work today to deal with my sadness and the portent of things to come. I am convinced that we have as a nation just made a terrible, terrible mistake. However, elections declare winners and to the winners go the spoils...For my part, I now move to this station on the battlefield. I will respect the fact the this man is our president contrary to what the opposition did to President Bush. But I have little faith that he will not lurch back to his radical underpinnings which have made him who he is.
I
I have no faith that journalists will do anything other than engage in jingoistic worship of Mr. Obama same as it ever was and same as it will be...There remain many unanswered questions on who this man is. Because the MSM did not do their job, watchdogs groups like the folks at this site and others will do what they can to: "keep him honest". Though I fear that as soon as Mr. Obama begins flexing his muscle without opposition, he will soon take on the persona of the benevolent dictator who really never has to answer to the whims of the people.

The future is stark. Upcoming stars in the Republican Party include for sure Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal anf Tim Pawlenty plus Mitt Romney.

But even in this blog site, we are fractured and that is reflected in the party itself. I am of the view that Ronald Reagan and his principles are the essentially correct ones to follow because they are closer to what is true and evident as best for this great country. Smaller gov't, less taxation, deference to the Constitution, strict constructionism, traditional family values, a strong military, constrained gov't spending, a culture of life, non-support financially by the gov't for abortion & contraception, faith based initiatives, school charter - school choice, strong border defense with recognition of the need to solve the internal existing immigration problem, rational separation of church & state, English as our national language and the spead of capitalism and let us not forget liberty.

McCain was not a conservative. For those who whine that he lurched right, p-l-e-a-s-e! McCain is a Democrat for all intents and purposes. He is a Truman Democrat but a dem nonetheless.

You can blame Palin all day long but you are wrong. Whatever votes he got were due in large part to her energy to the base. She is a conservative. As for the long knives come out tonight among McCain insiders, my advice is grow up. You guys ran a horrendous campaign. The media conspired with Obama and you failed to alert the alarm bell. Don't you dare blame Sarah Palin for your crappy campaign.

So, my advice, as a speck in the cosmos is this: Republicans win when they adhere to their core conservative principles. We have lost our moorings. Very much so. Time to regain out bearings. I would rather lose with less votes on the correct ideology than what happened last night by having a candidate whom our party does not fully endorse tepidly enter into the ring only to be dropped in a one punch knock-out. In other words, if we lose, let us at least lose for standing on our principles.

787 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:44pm

re: #758 karmic_inquisitor

Because Obama has set a trap for himself - he cannot spend what he has promised without busting the budget AND raising taxes. He will probably piss everyone off by not delivering on many of his programs, raising taxes and busting the budget. The numbers don't lie.

Per that paper by two radical Columbia professors in the 1960's whose name I can never remember, we should aid and abet that fallout by demanding he provide EVERY SINGLE BENEFIT HE PROMISED. TO EVERYONE. TO THE PENNY.

788 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:27:58pm

Is the down ding for #771 because you thought it was lame? It was made in FUN! NO OFFENSE, MAMA!

789 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:03pm

re: #753 Mich-again

I can't think of a soul who could have energized that campaign.

And now that his staffers are calling her "whorish", wow, I'd never vote for him again. Good thing I won't have to. Ugly bunch of staff he hires.

A "hero" would shut this shit down, McCain!

790 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:14pm
791 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:23pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

Mine is due to an enlarged prostate. I am interested in knowing why your dinger doesn't ding.

/

792 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

Walter..
As I sat on the porch alittle while ago with my dog..
The Moon's half side lite the night
I thought..This is the last day of nice weather..the last time I'll be sitting here comfortable for the next 3 months..
Winter is nigh upon us.
But I know that springtime is ahead soon..
To every season..turn turn turn
Obama won.. It was winning the superbowl at work today for my co-workers. people were excited.
I will never be bitter about loss..( well there was this one time) They won..winter is here..to everything
turn turn turn..
/too much Bud light Walter? *wink*

793 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:28pm

re: #675 Intrepid

There are "codes of ethics" for professional "journalists" and the practice of using "un-named" or anonymous "sources" is deeply, deeply frowned upon...because of the distrust such "sources" arouse in the public (in another time, in another era, such stories would have been tossed out...never, ever made it to press) but it's the strange times in which we live...(and I think it keeps growing crazier, and crazier...)

794 Midwestprof  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:31pm

Coming a little late to this thread, but I'll still throw in my 2 cents worth. IMHO, Sarah Palin was the best thing to happen to the Republican Party this election cycle. I would have stayed home and not voted if Sarah, or someone like her, had not been selected as McCain's running mate. McCain DID NOT make my leg tingle.

Late last month I was in central Pennsylvania on business. The last night I was in town, Sarah Palin came there to speak. I managed to wrangle a ticket. Best political show I ever attended. I stayed after the talks to watch Sarah bond with the crowd. What style! What outright affection for the people! I just stood high up in the seats in ther auditorium and watched as the crowd thinned. Watched her bond with the crowd--and it was quite a crowd--and watched the crowd's reaction to her. She is without a doubt one classy lady! She has great potential to bring the Party back. Enough said.

795 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:43pm

re: #753 Mich-again

Which choice(s) do you think would have helped McCain more?

I think Mitt would have been nice. Rudy might have passed muster. maybe even Lieberman. Possibly Forbes or Bloomberg (for economic credentials) All were serious politicians with serious experience. Palin helped with fundraising and the press payed attention to her but she didn't bring in the votes. I would have voted for McCain myself but Palin was the last straw for me.

796 sagamoregal  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:47pm

'Nite all.

I'm hoping I'll wake up tomorrow to find a government that is only responsible for building my roads and keeping me safe from foreign enemies.

797 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:48pm

palin didn't know africa was a continent?


what the hell. Should have been a Romney Guilliani ticket

798 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:50pm

Nation Review has a very good editorial up that sums up my feeling on the Election quite nicely.

Hope Amid the Ruins

I'm going to elevate my leg for a bit. Its much better than it was Sunday night but I want to make sure it is ready for work tomorrow.

799 wright1  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:28:51pm

Again, even here we disagree with the above summary. I believe in the advancement of more traditional values ie., no gay marriage, no embyonic stem cell, gov't endorsed abortion, control of our airwaves of inappropriate content but no fairness doctrine, but I am sure some more libertarian voices disagree with me. The question is what will obtain victory?

800 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:02pm

re: #727 DesertSage

Palin was fine, it was the presidential nominee who wasn't a good choice.

Given the current political (Hate Bush!) and economic (Bailout) environment, I'm not so sure that Ronal Reagan would have faired better against The One™ and The Media Machine™. This election was decided a long time ago. Mac and Sarah did fairly well considering what they were up against.

801 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:09pm

re: #731 Inquisitive

LOL
I will have to start paying closer attention to Jackson, Tn post...and no ... I am not a sock puppet for Jackson, Tn and Jackson, Tn is not a sock puppet for me...

The only reason I noticed was because someone bitched about it a few weeks ago, and got whacked, deservedly so.

/But not a "Goodfellas" type of whacking. An LGF virtual whacking.

802 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:17pm

re: #756 legalpad

He needs his own TV show. Maybe on PJTV.

803 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:18pm

re: #758 karmic_inquisitor

If Charles allowed sock-puppets, I'd multi-upding you.

804 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #783 princetrumpet

Welcome to the Republican party. Do you have any young? We're extremely hungry.

Ok "Prince T," we don't just jump into a running conversation with some cryptic comment like your above. How about putting the joint down and explaining yourself a little, and then maybe we can converse.

805 mama winger  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:52pm

re: #788 Quad Mocha Matti

Is the down ding for #771 because you thought it was lame? It was made in FUN! NO OFFENSE, MAMA!

Oh - no offense taken ! I thought it was funny!

I would have dinged you up myself, but my dinger ...

well
you know :)

806 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:29:52pm

re: #784 Crusty

Now you know this will be an advantage for the country, ironically; if Obama needs to use the military, the press will not go Quisling. At least at first.

807 scion9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:30:06pm

She didn't know that Exceptionalism was a staple of Wilsonian Doctrine? It is probably a good thing that she didn't know that, as it would be one of the many things that most Americans know that simply isn't true.

Exceptionalism, as a term is derived from the conservative philosophers of 'Old Europe', during the enlightenment that posited the existence of the uniqueness of a people based on either metaphysical/spiritual reasons or more typically the combination of unique cultural and social conditions, but still often couched in metaphysical terminology.

This philosophical movement is where we get concepts such as Zeitgeist and Volksgeist. Cultural populism that appeals to conservative values in engaging internally with the community, rather than Rousseau-n populism which demands all be actively involved in the political process.

Of course this was just when the terms were being coined, as obviously the mainstay of European politics was built upon the distinction of tribal/ethnic superiority which is exampled in the colonial model which wasn't only for geopolitical strength but actually sought to be extend culture, tradition and religion to foreign peoples under such power nations reign.

The same kind of belief in a Volksgeist was exampled in Manifest Destiny in America well before Wilson. Nor is it strictly a concept descended from European tradition, as you can see it in Japan and their war-cry of 'Yamato Damashii', the Soul of Old Japan. Exceptionalism is not new, and it especially isn't as new as 1913.

Sarah Palin certainly invoked 'city on a hill' enough during the campaign season, which she unabashedly lifted from Ronald Reagan's address in which he explained that the phrase was brought to him by way of a pre-Revolution Puritan pilgrim. Arguably that pilgrim would have been the start of a distinctly American Exceptionalism, more than a century before there even was a United States of America.

Today, American Exceptionalism is simply not taught, yet it is part of daily political discourse regardless. Today, American Exceptionalism is simply called Patriotism. While not all people who consider themselves patriots, or patriotic may believe in American Exceptionalism, from my experience most due, even if they don't put that belief in those exact terms. I'm frankly not surprised that anyone would be unfamiliar with the term, and even more so that they would fail to attribute the phenomenon, or even the terminology to Wilsonian Doctrine as doing so would be to display a complete lack of historicity.

Crediting unabashedly leftist Democratic President Woodrow Wilson would be sort of like giving Lyndon "that n***er preacher!" Johnson credit for the success of the Civil Rights movement. Or Franklin Roosevelt being given credit for ending the Great Depression. Or claiming the Weather Underground was a pacifist movement. Hmmm. Starting to see a trend here with the perception of history.

808 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:30:23pm

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

By the way, do you smoke?


I've been struggling for quite some time. Gave it up, became a closet smoker, gained weight, started again, etc...

809 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:30:25pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

Better'n the top of the ticket.

810 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:30:41pm

I'm sorry. I'm not buying any of it. While I'm sure there were frayed nerves and perhaps lack of knowledge on governmental matters, I cannot buy that she was stupid. I think the McCain staffers are bitter because they lost. They lost because they hadn't the will of bulldogs and did not go for the groin. Obama should have been gutted, and could have been, on several occasions, regardless of the press' obscene love affair with the man. The press had no problem exercising their misogyny on Governor Palin.
Just my thoughts.

811 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:30:51pm

re: #749 Killgore Trout

I think so.

GAZE and that goes for "cog" too, do not want to waste a post on cog. . .

812 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:00pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

Are you kidding? I would never admit that publicly

813 Archimedes  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:05pm

Here's what I'll say about Sarah Palin, she was the best campaigner of any of the four (Obama/Biden/Plain/McCain), because she was so incisive and focused and the blows landed. In my view, she is the smartest of the four.

Now, if she lacked the knowledge they claim she did, that's clearly not good. She has the obligation to herself to learn these things. It's not hard. Then again, it could all be b.s.

814 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:06pm

re: #786 wright1

As for the long knives come out tonight among McCain insiders, my advice is grow up. You guys ran a horrendous campaign. The media conspired with Obama and you failed to alert the alarm bell. Don't you dare blame Sarah Palin for your crappy campaign..

The conservative bloggers & talk show hosts did for the McCain campaign 100 timeswhat the McCain campaign staffers did IMO.

815 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:09pm

I'm taking solace in the fact that there is one person in this world that is suffering ' buyers remorse' worse than anyone else tonight.
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816 spidly  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:11pm

Patraeus/Bolton 2012
that'd get the lefty's panties in a bunch

817 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:12pm

re: #794 Midwestprof

Coming a little late to this thread, but I'll still throw in my 2 cents worth. IMHO, Sarah Palin was the best thing to happen to the Republican Party this election cycle. I would have stayed home and not voted if Sarah, or someone like her, had not been selected as McCain's running mate. McCain DID NOT make my leg tingle.

That's what I'm talking about!
Agree 100% !

818 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:21pm

re: #746 Killgore Trout

If JC wanted McCain as president he would have miracled his ass into office.

Thank you Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann!

819 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

Is that compared to Biden?

It's apples and oranges really.

Obama was the ticket. Biden was an afterthought.

McCain really need help anywhere he could get it.

Most of the time VPs are ordered to obscure state functions and are pretty much like a spare tire.

Cheney was an exception.

820 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:51pm

Okay, I'm going to bed.

821 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:31:54pm
Brig. General James Gavin: So that's it. We're pulling them out. It was Nijmegen.
Lt. Colonel J.O.E. Vandeleur: It was the single road getting to Nijmegen.
Lt. General Horrocks: No, it was after Nijmegen.
Lt. General Frederick "Boy" Browning: And the fog, in England.
Maj. General Stanislaw Sosabowski: Doesn't matter what it was. When one man says to another, "I know what let's do today, let's play the war game."... everybody dies.

/the McCain campaign, the Operation Market Garden of plitics

822 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:32:01pm

re: #811 DisturbedEma

GAZE and that goes for "cog" too, do not want to waste a post on cog. . .

Yes, thank goodness. I've said some truly hideous things this evening.

823 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:32:16pm

re: #813 Archimedes

Here's what I'll say about Sarah Palin, she was the best campaigner of any of the four (Obama/Biden/Plain/McCain), because she was so incisive and focused and the blows landed. In my view, she is the smartest of the four.

Now, if she lacked the knowledge they claim she did, that's clearly not good. She has the obligation to herself to learn these things. It's not hard. Then again, it could all be b.s.

As per my #189 it's all BS.

re: #189 ErislDysnomia

D'oh - answers to idiots:

Sarah Palin's Office with mural of Alaska. You can be damn sure she knows Canada is next to that.

And her son is in Iraq, which is near Africa. I'll damn bet she's looked on a map.

824 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:33:11pm

re: #819 unclassifiable

McCain really need help anywhere he could get it


Yes, he should have picked a serious VP.

825 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:33:32pm

re: #821 Killian Bundy

/the McCain campaign, the Operation Market Garden of plitics

I loved that movie!

826 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:33:47pm

re: #805 mama winger

Oh - no offense taken ! I thought it was funny!

I would have dinged you up myself, but my dinger ...

well
you know :)

Mama Winger: The Greatest Straight Lines in the history of LGF

827 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:33:55pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger always dings.

828 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:33:58pm

re: #792 HoosierHoops

Walter... turn turn turn...
/too much Bud light Walter? *wink*

Hey look. This coming Sunday. and Monday, I have to babysit Roger McGuinn. He's doing two concerts at the theatre, and his contract has so many riders in it, you would think that he was Madonna.

I'm probably going to have that tune in my head all next week ("turn, turn, turn").

I'm the one that's going to need something to drink, and I don't drink anymore. Thank goodness, if I do go off the wagon, we have a fully stocked bar at the theatre. I'm headed for the Chavez and upwards.

McGuinn even want a private security guard to walk him to his hotel. IT'S FUCKING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE THEATRE.

Showbiz... sheeessshhh

829 Metal Man  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:34:08pm

Saw this quote over at Blackfive today and it sums up anyone pointing fingers today.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

830 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:34:09pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

No...

831 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:34:31pm

Dear Mr Obama,

PLEEEZE send the troops home soon.

So we can have some hardened professionals with iron spines run for Republican offices and win, and not take crap from anyone.

832 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:34:41pm

re: #46 nobamadada

ouch

833 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:02pm

re: #795 Killgore Trout

I think Mitt would have been nice. Rudy might have passed muster. maybe even Lieberman. Possibly Forbes or Bloomberg (for economic credentials) All were serious politicians with serious experience. Palin helped with fundraising and the press payed attention to her but she didn't bring in the votes. I would have voted for McCain myself but Palin was the last straw for me.

Lieberman? Really? You don't think conservatives would have just sat this one out if he had picked Lieberman?

I cannot disagree with you more KT. Without Palin, McCain would have lost by 20.

834 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:05pm

re: #831 ErislDysnomia

Dear Mr Obama,

PLEEEZE send the troops home soon.

So we can have some hardened professionals with iron spines run for Republican offices and win, and not take crap from anyone.

Doesn't matter. We had one run against John "Scumbag" Murtha . . . and he got trounced.

835 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:05pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

Can I call you 'mama dinger', or would that be too familiar?

836 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:07pm
837 docremulac  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:16pm

I've said from the beginning: I'm guessing that 20% of McCain's staff are Dhimmicrat infiltrators. McCain and his moronic "reach across the aisle" crap welcomes this stuff.

Sorry, I'm really glad to see McCain go. He drank the global warming scam coolaid as much as any dhimmicrat, he's dumb enough to think the dhimmicrats are good people and he says stupid stuff like "We can stay in Iraq for a hundred years".

Now that the dhimmis are in charge, they'll bear responsibility for what they destroy as opposed to having McCain carry out most of their policies for them and letting Republicans get the blame.

Plus America really is due for it's lesson on what happens when you enact simplistic, Hallmark card, singsong, feel-good, touchy feely Democrat policies in real world situations.

838 wright1  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:20pm

Just now paying attention to the tenor of the thread - so it is you are with Sarah or against. Put me down for with - she was an excellent choice and those decrying that pick fail to see the weakness at the head of the ticket. She is the future of the party - at least I hope so,

839 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:27pm

re: #815 lummox

I'm taking solace in the fact that there is one person in this world that is suffering ' buyers remorse' worse than anyone else tonight.
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...Baracky

I'm thinking of President Bush going back to Crawford on January 20, and laughing his ass off when Mr. Obama gets himself into trouble almost immediately. "Not so easy to actually DO THE JOB, is it?" Heh.

840 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:50pm

I like Sarah Palin. I think she will be a force in the GOP for years to come!

She's only 44 years old. The GOP will make a resurgence way before she's even 50. In fact, that resurgence started today...in case you guys haven't noticed.

841 kynna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:54pm

I'm really angry about this. I think everybody who gave even a thin dime to John McCain should call and let them have it. Let them know that they can't throw Sarah Palin under the bus unless they're willing to come out and show their stupid faces. And then, if they can convince me she's not what I thought she was, they can explain why they picked her to be VP in the first place.

But before I'll believe any of this I demand to see names and faces of these staffers.

I wish Cornyn was interested. Palin/Cornyn would be like a dream. Talk about real American reform!

842 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:55pm

re: #818 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Full Metal Jacket Obstacle Course

843 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:57pm

re: #740 Sharmuta

Sharmuta,

You still think this thing can be fixed from within?

844 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:35:58pm

re: #834 Wyatt Earp

Doesn't matter. We had one run against John "Scumbag" Murtha . . . and he got trounced.

Never extrapolate from one example to a generality.

845 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:36:14pm

re: #821 Killian Bundy

/the McCain campaign, the Operation Market Garden of politics

Who's playing Red Button's character? (from The Longest Day, if any of you didn't recognize the ref.)

846 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:36:17pm

re: #767 mama winger

My dinger isn't dinging. That is why I am using the quote feature.

Anybody else having this trouble ?

I'd call your doctor. There must be a pill for that.

/

847 ratherdashing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:36:33pm

Bush won Ohio in 2004 by energizing Christian conservatives south of Cuyahoga county. The Bush campaign worked the churches and Christian organizations and those folks volunteered and voted in droves. This is a good portion of the Republican base. Anybody who thinks the Republicans can win without them is dreaming.

Palin was "one of them" and got the McCain campaign back in the spotlight. But, there was no more follow-up with Christians in McCain's 2008 effort. This strategy contributed to his loss.

848 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:08pm

re: #841 kynna

I'm really angry about this. I think everybody who gave even a thin dime to John McCain should call and let them have it. Let them know that they can't throw Sarah Palin under the bus unless they're willing to come out and show their stupid faces. And then, if they can convince me she's not what I thought she was, they can explain why they picked her to be VP in the first place.

But before I'll believe any of this I demand to see names and faces of these staffers.

I wish Cornyn was interested. Palin/Cornyn would be like a dream. Talk about real American reform!

WERE THE "STAFFERS" OBAMA STAFFERS?

849 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:17pm

re: #827 Ojoe

My dinger always dings.

Ojoe's ding-a-ling...

850 Sylvester_T_Cat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #247 Opinionated

I mean her national security experience where Alaska keeps its eye on Putin when "as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America".

I lost track of who's arguing what, but it really ought to be pointed out that the "Russia from my doorstep" or whatever is well within the range of normal hyperbole even before the selective quoting our fairly ignorant MSM indulged themselves with.

I'm sure you're aware that there is one place in Alaska where you can literally see Russia? I'm told you don't even need binoculars. Little Diomede Island, USA, from which one on a clear day can see Big Diomede Island, Russia. (Wintertime when the Bering Sea is frozen, it's been known to happen that the Eskimo natives of one island or another make the hike across to the other island to exchange greetings. The English/Russian language barrier isn't the problem one might think it would be for them-- apparently the Eskimo dialects are workably similar.)

More importantly, the USSR and now Russia have indeed been testing US defenses by trotting out long-range patrol bombers and aiming them at US air space, either coming up along the Aleutians or somewhere on the incredibly long coastline south of Nome. The Russians turn around right away as soon as they see American fighters alongside. That's been going on since the Reagan years. Last time I've seen that situation mentioned was just a few months ago. A Canadian Forces squadron at that time was doing the intercept work for awhile while the USAF had a lot of fighter aircraft grounded for heavy maintenance, btw. Thank you, Canada ;-).

Bottom line, anybody trying to make whatever that Russia quote was, into Palin's "potatoe", has an agenda. Alaskans know where Russia is.

851 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:31pm

re: #844 ErislDysnomia

Never extrapolate from one example to a generality.

I can only speak for PA voters - of which I am one. Most of them are ill-informed morons. Murtha called his own constituents racists and rednecks, and they swept them back into office. Burns me up. They deserve a guy like Jack Murtha.

852 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:37pm

re: #830 jcm

No...

Use both. The quote will explain the ding, which , at least I am, interested in.

853 yesandno  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:37:40pm

Haven't read all the posts...

Damn elitism. Carl reported rumors...from bitter campaigners. This is why analysis of all of this shouldn't have happened for another week. The mud is flung and if it turns out it was exaggerated it will never be taken back.

If I was chosen and then was treated like some idiot savant by those "in the know" and was trotting 4 kids around with my husband from day one and sleeping in hotel room after hotel room for weeks, I woud be short of temper and damn angry as well. They have no respect for anyone. The want her to be the most important woman in the world...but only on their terms, their agenda. This is what is wrong with elitism...they forgot that the common man is often more noble then they are.

Where is the sense of loyalty here? People are so busy covering their assess that they have lost all sense of decency. So she is possibly a bit bitchy from time to time. Like no one ever gets out of sorts on a campaign. What world are these people living in? Can't they be real for a few minutes now that it is all over?

She contributed more then she took...

854 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:04pm

I went downtown Tuesday night to see what I could see at Grant Park, and now I have a blog post about it. I managed to get quite a few pictures, even in the dark. For your viewing enjoyment...

My Adventure in Obamaland (aka Grant Park)

855 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:22pm

re: #756 legalpad

That young brother is righteous!

856 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:28pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

Amen to that. I think I will, too.

When I think of the treatment Palin has gotten from the MSM, I am often reminded of some fool essay by Margaret Mead I read in college, MANY years ago. It was actually about the post-menopausal woman and the respect she is accorded for wisdom and intelligence in most primitive societies. But what I remember most is that young women are almost never given respect at all.
The fact that Palin is still young and is beautiful to boot makes her an inviting target, I think. (Notice how many smears have a sexual innuendo to them!) It makes me furious.

857 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:31pm

re: #839 Palandine

I'm thinking of President Bush going back to Crawford on January 20, and laughing his ass off when Mr. Obama gets himself into trouble almost immediately. "Not so easy to actually DO THE JOB, is it?" Heh.

I think he will be in trouble even before he starts. Too many loose ends floating around that some eager young Pulitzer-coveting journalist might want to examine.

858 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:45pm

re: #845 Quad Mocha Matti

Who's playing Red Button's character? (from The Longest Day, if any of you didn't recognize the ref.)

Please read up on Variety before you mix up not only your movies but your battles!

859 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:45pm

re: #628 Thanos

There's a song for this sort of behavior. Now we need to find these failure's names out to make sure they don't get employed by Republicans again.

Now you're talking. Kick Ass and Take Names. Step One in the 12-Step Republican Recovery Program.

It will take some time to figure out the other 11, but we have to.

860 Han_Solo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:38:56pm

This is all such bullshit.


Our founding fathers did not intend for you to be the worlds most knowledgeable person in the world, have a law degree from harvard and know all the right people to be in Congress or President.


They intended for JOE THE PLUMBER to step up and be president or serve in Congress and then when his term was done to go the hell home and go back to plumbing.

Career politicians and the corrupt ideas that you have to have 'EXPERIENCE' to be in our government is our downfall.

You and I can do MUCH better jobs than ANY of those assholes in Washington can do.


Dumbass elitists are the ones that take a 3 page Bill that was a good idea for legislation and turn it into a 15,000 page document full of crap on a regular basis.


If we had our current politicians writing the constitution it would be about 4 times longer than the tax code, and no one would even be able to read it to find out what their rights really were...

861 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:13pm

For all of those who simply assert and then re assert that McCain is not a conservative, may I ask a question? What is George W. Bush?

Keep in mind that the national debt as a percentage of GDP under Bush has increased to 70% and the debt has increased from 5.8T to well over 10T. We have new entitlements like prescription drugs and we have a much bigger government, including the sea of people on blue shirts at the airport called TSA, all part of the ginourmous dept. of Homeland Security.

862 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:20pm

re: #856 wolfie

The fact that Palin is still young and is beautiful to boot makes her an inviting target, I think. (Notice how many smears have a sexual innuendo to them!) It makes me furious.

The explanatory emotion is:

JEALOUSY

JEA-LOUSY

863 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:23pm

re: #795 Killgore Trout

but she didn't bring in the votes.

And thats what the Veep choice is all about although I'm not sure about that that proclamation of yours. She brought in votes. But then again she may have costed even more than she gained. Hard to say.

Obama was an exceptional candidate and I sincerely hope the USA will be better off for having had him as President as opposed to the USA being worse off because of it. Country first after all.

But I think it is BS to flat out blame her for McCain having lost. Its like blaming the defibrillator.

864 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:27pm

I'm starting to think Killgore posted his password over at Kos.

Stockholm syndrome, or something like that.

865 jd171  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:28pm

re: #695 Walter L. Newton

Newton there was only one instance that McCain ever brought up anything negative on the campaign trail, he wanted a campaign with honor. Look at what honor got him, us. The Dems are not going to fight clean, we should know that by now. With the MSM in the tank for BHO the campaign that McCain carried out was all for naught. What was his staff doing? Sleeping on the job. They should of have been on the Internet, listening to Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and the rest just to get a feel of what was out there. So who's fault was it, was it McCain's or his staff?

866 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #845 Quad Mocha Matti

The movie was "A Bridge Too Far"

867 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:40:00pm

re: #801 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The only reason I noticed was because someone bitched about it a few weeks ago, and got whacked, deservedly so.

/But not a "Goodfellas" type of whacking. An LGF virtual whacking.

I am glad they got the virtual whack!

868 JacksonTn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:40:07pm

Does anyone know what percentages of parties voted? How many republicans voted? How many democrats? Do they keep records for how many switched sides? Just wondering ...

I think they should not say those things about Sarah Palin unless the person comes on television and says it themselves ...easy to slam someone when your face is hidden ...

869 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:40:23pm

re: #822 Cognito

Yes, thank goodness. I've said some truly hideous things this evening.

GAZE OFF

It is all in the delivery and the vapid "analysis" compounded with your total bs "I'm in the business but I am not going to tell you anything about me, just accept what I say"

If we did not run that route with the one, it will not work for the cogknownot. . .

GAZE ON

870 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:40:51pm

re: #858 Aussie Infidel

Please read up on Variety before you mix up not only your movies but your battles!

D'OH! PIMF. Seriously. I know better than that. Way too much multitasking taking place. :-

871 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:01pm

re: #851 Wyatt Earp

I can only speak for PA voters - of which I am one. Most of them are ill-informed morons. Murtha called his own constituents racists and rednecks, and they swept them back into office. Burns me up. They deserve a guy like Jack Murtha.

He will still have to answer to the lawsuits

872 Karridine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:01pm

re: #816 spidly

Patraeus/Bolton 2012
that'd get the lefty's panties in a bunch


.


"The Ameri-Blood-4-Oil Party brings you, Petraeus-Bolton! Give it up for these two!"
873 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:23pm

re: #852 lummox

Use both. The quote will explain the ding, which , at least I am, interested in.

Quoted and dinged...

Wait-a-minute... did you just trick me into playing with your ding-a-ling...

EWWW!

874 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:26pm

re: #871 ErislDysnomia

He will still have to answer to the lawsuits

I certainly hope so. Do they still hang traitors?

875 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:38pm

re: #824 Killgore Trout

re: #819 unclassifiable

McCain really need help anywhere he could get it


Yes, he should have picked a serious VP.

No one else could have helped McCain as much as Sarah Palin did.

She was the serious pick.

876 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:38pm

re: #860 Han_Solo

This is all such bullshit.


Our founding fathers did not intend for you to be the worlds most knowledgeable person in the world, have a law degree from harvard and know all the right people to be in Congress or President.

Ah, no.

Apologies, but that is completely, utterly, fantastically untrue. George Washington, who showed us the model, was the best among his peers. The best. He was brave. Intelligent. Proven. And he was knowledgeable.

We don't need the average. We need the best.

877 Sylvester_T_Cat  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:40pm

Dang, sure blew the italics on that one (850), didn't I ;-). Sorry 'bout that.

878 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:47pm

re: #849 jcm

LOL we used to sing a version of that on scout trips in the old days.

Night all.

879 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:41:49pm

re: #863 Mich-again

But I think it is BS to flat out blame her for McCain having lost. Its like blaming the defibrillator.


Heh.

880 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:42:02pm

re: #865 jd171

Newton there was only one instance that McCain ever brought up anything negative on the campaign trail, he wanted a campaign with honor. Look at what honor got him, us. The Dems are not going to fight clean, we should know that by now. With the MSM in the tank for BHO the campaign that McCain carried out was all for naught. What was his staff doing? Sleeping on the job. They should of have been on the Internet, listening to Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and the rest just to get a feel of what was out there. So who's fault was it, was it McCain's or his staff?

Damn, *I* could have run a better campaign just by monitoring the blogs, and who the hell am I?

881 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:42:24pm

re: #837 docremulac

I've said from the beginning: I'm guessing that 20% of McCain's staff are Dhimmicrat infiltrators. McCain and his moronic "reach across the aisle" crap welcomes this stuff.

Sorry, I'm really glad to see McCain go. He drank the global warming scam coolaid as much as any dhimmicrat, he's dumb enough to think the dhimmicrats are good people and he says stupid stuff like "We can stay in Iraq for a hundred years".

Now that the dhimmis are in charge, they'll bear responsibility for what they destroy as opposed to having McCain carry out most of their policies for them and letting Republicans get the blame.

Plus America really is due for it's lesson on what happens when you enact simplistic, Hallmark card, singsong, feel-good, touchy feely Democrat policies in real world situations.

Ouch. Talk about "tough love" dude...
Wanna help write "Step 2" in the 12-step Republican Recovery Program?
1. Kick Ass and Take Names
2. Bipartisan = Date Rape?

882 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:42:37pm

re: #861 karmic_inquisitor

For all of those who simply assert and then re assert that McCain is not a conservative, may I ask a question? What is George W. Bush?

Keep in mind that the national debt as a percentage of GDP under Bush has increased to 70% and the debt has increased from 5.8T to well over 10T. We have new entitlements like prescription drugs and we have a much bigger government, including the sea of people on blue shirts at the airport called TSA, all part of the ginourmous dept. of Homeland Security.

I don't think anybody here was under the allusion that Bush was a conservative.
He was re-elected for one reason and one reason only...to win the War on Terror.

Well that and the fact that John F'n Kerry was an idiot.

883 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:01pm

re: #865 jd171

What was his staff doing? Sleeping on the job. They should of have been on the Internet, listening to Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and the rest just to get a feel of what was out there. So who's fault was it, was it McCain's or his staff?

All the good shots at Obama seemed to come from the right wing blogs.

I'd like to know where McCain's staff was, too.

884 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:02pm

re: #865 jd171

Newton there was only one instance that McCain ever brought up anything negative on the campaign trail, he wanted a campaign with honor. Look at what honor got him, us. The Dems are not going to fight clean, we should know that by now. With the MSM in the tank for BHO the campaign that McCain carried out was all for naught. What was his staff doing? Sleeping on the job. They should of have been on the Internet, listening to Rush, Hannity, Ingraham and the rest just to get a feel of what was out there. So who's fault was it, was it McCain's or his staff?

Well, if I was running for president, I would certainly hope that I had some grasp on what was going on. Sure, you have staff, and you don't have to micro manage, but at the same time, when you are up there on your own, in a debate or talking to a reporter or to the public in general, you better have a firm grasp of how the game is being played by your opponent and how you need to be playing the game.

McCain holds the final responsibility.

885 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:05pm

re: #879 Racer X

Heh.

McCain campaign was in asystole

886 Aviator  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:17pm

I think I figured it out. KT is really Romney. Hi ya Mitt!

887 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:19pm

re: #797 SpaceJesus

palin didn't know africa was a continent?


what the hell. Should have been a Romney Guilliani ticket

I'm still not going to bash Palin for that. I bet a large portion of the people who voted for Bozo can't name all the continents. We all have our moments of stupidity. Just look at how many people had one yesterday.

888 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:29pm

re: #842 Killgore Trout

Full Metal Jacket Obstacle Course

"He would have miracled your ass over the wall". Don't even need to watch the video. Best 'Nam movie ever. Period. And R. Lee Ermey was only hired to advise the actors playing the DI's. But Kubrick he was better then any of them.

889 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:31pm

re: #861 karmic_inquisitor

For all of those who simply assert and then re assert that McCain is not a conservative, may I ask a question? What is George W. Bush?

Keep in mind that the national debt as a percentage of GDP under Bush has increased to 70% and the debt has increased from 5.8T to well over 10T. We have new entitlements like prescription drugs and we have a much bigger government, including the sea of people on blue shirts at the airport called TSA, all part of the ginourmous dept. of Homeland Security.

So You're asking the easy one's first.

BOTH McCain and Bush were RINOs with personal stakes with folks outside and inside the beltway. The fiction that McCain is a renegade is just media hype and horse feathers! These two are BOTH insiders and half way to being Rockefeller Republicans

890 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:43:47pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

Hey look. This coming Sunday. and Monday, I have to babysit Roger McGuinn. He's doing two concerts at the theatre, and his contract has so many riders in it, you would think that he was Madonna.

I'm probably going to have that tune in my head all next week ("turn, turn, turn").

I'm the one that's going to need something to drink, and I don't drink anymore. Thank goodness, if I do go off the wagon, we have a fully stocked bar at the theatre. I'm headed for the Chavez and upwards.

McGuinn even want a private security guard to walk him to his hotel. IT'S FUCKING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE THEATRE.

Showbiz... sheeessshhh

Gee..Walter..
John Lennon.
It's a crazy world..Show biz is crazy..I don't have to tell you.

891 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:00pm

re: #869 DisturbedEma


Um, sure.

892 Parker in US  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:12pm

re: #650 shiplord kirel

Some are convinced while others think I made it up out of thin air and Canada is just a chilly version of Kansas.

Stop I can't breath LOL

893 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:17pm

I would have put the dirt about Obama on one page with sentence summaries and links, put a big button to it on JohnMcCain.com, and at the debates had Mr McCain name a few issues and ask the American people to go check the links themselves.

894 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:22pm

re: #854 Honorary Yooper

I went downtown Tuesday night to see what I could see at Grant Park, and now I have a blog post about it. I managed to get quite a few pictures, even in the dark. For your viewing enjoyment...

My Adventure in Obamaland (aka Grant Park)

Good work considering the low light life conditions.

895 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:22pm

re: #719 rawmuse

I don't see people threatening to purge the social conservatives from the GOP. I do see the social conservatives saying they want to purge the "RINOS."

896 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:44:45pm

re: #843 unclassifiable

You think it's going to be fixed from without? Or by not hashing this out and coming to an agreement on core conservative values like fiscal restraint and less government intrusion?

897 lennysquiggy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:45:07pm

If she is really that stupid, why did the campaign choose her? And regardless of the validity of this report, why the hell are they leaking this? It's been 18 years since Clinton was elected and I have yet to see a TV reporter breathlessly report anything like this.

And when "The Path to 9/11" called Clinton out on some of his failings on foreign policy, the Clintonistas circled the wagons and got the film edited to suit their tastes (or am I remembering this wrong?). And it takes our side 24 hours to completely turn on each other.

Nice.

898 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:45:28pm

re: #887 logboy

I'm still not going to bash Palin for that.

Especially since it's not true.

899 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #845 Quad Mocha Matti

Who's playing Red Button's character?

/um, Red Buttons?

900 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:45:58pm

re: #883 Adina in Judea

All the good shots at Obama seemed to come from the right wing blogs.

I'd like to know where McCain's staff was, too.

wringing their hands and waiting to see the death spiral. . they are mad that Palin was such a hit. . .hoping McCain would fail miserably. . .and Romney could save the day next time around. . .Sarah RUINED it for them, and now. . .payback

901 scion9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:03pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

If I collect enough downdings I get a free carton of smokes and a t-shirt.

Good luck. You have my support.

902 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:18pm

re: #888 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

"He would have miracled your ass over the wall". Don't even need to watch the video. Best 'Nam movie ever. Period. And R. Lee Ermey was only hired to advise the actors playing the DI's. But Kubrick he was better then any of them.

But Kubrick saw he was better. PIMF...

903 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:32pm

re: #897 lennysquiggy

Good point. If the McCain camp had any brains they would quell these rumors right quick.

It makes John McCain look worse.

904 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:37pm

re: #895 funky chicken

I don't see people threatening to purge the social conservatives from the GOP. I do see the social conservatives saying they want to purge the "RINOS."

Look harder!

905 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:43pm

re: #893 ErislDysnomia

Would never work. Too many people are lazy and want to be spoon-fed the news. Unfortunately MSM and all their bias is all too happy to oblige.

906 Rancher  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:46:44pm

I knew this was coming. This is our new rebublican party. Time to start a new party and yes I know all the arguments against such a move.

907 JacksonTn  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:15pm

So what if she answered a door in a bathrobe or a towel ...If a man did the same thing I doubt anyone would have said anything ...the sexism in this election has been disgusting ...

908 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:17pm

re: #833 Racer X

I cannot disagree with you more KT. Without Palin, McCain would have lost by 20.


I agree with you all of the viable and qualified candidates would have been boycotted by the religious right. I suspect mcCain wasn't even involved in the selection of palin as VP. I suspect it was a mandate for Dobson (et all).

909 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:18pm

re: #903 Racer X

Good point. If the McCain camp had any brains they would quell these rumors right quick.

It makes John McCain look worse.

And I sent the cadaver of that campaign an email to that effect

910 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:20pm

re: #860 Han_Solo

This is all such bullshit. Our founding fathers did not intend for you to be the worlds most knowledgeable person in the world, have a law degree from harvard and know all the right people to be in Congress or President.

RIght. But our founding fathers had no way of knowing how complicated the world would be in 220 years.

Your statement doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that we should be still lighting fires with two sticks instead of a Bic?

I mean, times change, things change, the world gets bigger, more complex. Our founding fathers cherished free thinking, so I don't know how you could assume such a position.

911 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:31pm

re: #898 ErislDysnomia

All the more reason not to bash her. I'll stick to thoughts of her in a towel.

912 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:47:45pm

re: #787 ErislDysnomia

Per that paper by two radical Columbia professors in the 1960's whose name I can never remember, we should aid and abet that fallout by demanding he provide EVERY SINGLE BENEFIT HE PROMISED. TO EVERYONE. TO THE PENNY.

Just think - we know there is a great deal of dirt out there on Obama. When he starts falling short of expectations of these various extremist groups he has hung with, they will retaliate by releasing "information bombs" that will undermine Obama's "moral authority."

The press loves to compare Reagan and Obama. Well Reagan got to office without anyone having dirt on him because he didn't play the game that way. He dealt with people honestly and then had nothing to fear.

In Obama we have the opposite.

No honor among thieves.

913 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:48:05pm

McCain and his staffers (some of the worst campaigners ever) have to blame someone other than themselves.
Sarah Palin was the only reason I got enthused by the ticket. I was going to vote for McCain, but wasn't happy about it.

914 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:48:15pm

I read about half the thread and gave up. Can't keep up sometimes...

I'm not going to bring myself to watch the Carl Cameron clip.

Here we are one day out from a potentially catastrophic defeat, and the GOP is busy eating its own. I find it completely depressing.

There's no point speculating about 2012 now, and not until after the 2010 congressional elections. We have no idea what is going to happen in the next 2 or 4 years. If a true game-changer happens, all bets are off. A comprehensive economic collapse, or a terrorist attack on our soil would have all sorts of unforseen consequences.

No one in their right mind would have thought in 11/04 that the twerp who they rolled out at the DNC as the new star would be president four years later, other than the powers that be who started the planning back then.

Sarah Palin was the GOP's rollout this year. And like in 2004, rolled out for the losing party. If Barry really screws things up, as is very likely, she could be looking awfully good. But meanwhile, we need to hold Barry and the Dems feet to the fire every day.

915 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:48:21pm
916 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:48:37pm

re: #864 Noam Sayin'

I'm starting to think Killgore posted his password over at Kos.


I get instantly banned over there. I've tried several times.

917 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:48:39pm

re: #841 kynna

I believe that there's always the outside possibility that the "press" is lying through its teeth so as to curry favor with Obama and/or gain ratings/revenue...just keep this possibility in mind...

918 lennysquiggy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:14pm

#648:

IIRC, the media's treatment of Dan Quayle was a close second to their treatment of Palin.

919 jd171  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:24pm

To all,

One last thought and I must go to bed. I am an elementary school teacher and one of my students told me that "mommy voted for Obama because he is going to tax the rich and give it to us". I almost fell on the floor laughing, I had to be careful, with what I responded and after a few seconds I told this poor child, "good, I just wonder where he is going to get all of the money from" and walked away. Good night y'all, I must get some sleep and recharge my batteries, gotta go do battle with all of the liberal wenches at the school, in the morning.

JD171, out.

920 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:30pm

re: #907 JacksonTn

So what if she answered a door in a bathrobe or a towel ...If a man did the same thing I doubt anyone would have said anything ...the sexism in this election has been disgusting ...

It's just a jealous sex fantasy. They like to think everyone who came in ripped off her towel and started nailin' Pailn.

921 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:38pm

re: #906 Rancher

I knew this was coming. This is our new rebublican party. Time to start a new party and yes I know all the arguments against such a move.

What sides get what and which parties are getting the influx of people?

922 itellu3times  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:41pm

Isn't Africa that nice area on the south side of Chicago where Obama and Ayers live? Chicago, that's the big city at the bottom of Lake Michigan.

923 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:41pm

Wonder if they will print how much mo's dress will cost the American tax payers?

Wish someone ostensibly crowing about their cred in MSM would get that story out there. . could top more than 150,000. . .

924 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:49:48pm

You know, this Fox crap is reminding me of the weeks of MSM support for the genuineness of the Smoking Memo.

925 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:50:07pm

re: #888 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

A lot of people shit on 2001 but it's simply a brilliant movie as far as I'm concerned.

926 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:50:21pm

And speaking of "Full Metal Jacket", I think I'll watch now.

"Ladies and Gentleman, take my advise. Pull down your pants, and slide on the ice."- Maj. Sidney Freedman from "M*A*S*H". Later.

927 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:50:32pm

re: #873 jcm

Quoted and dinged...

Wait-a-minute... did you just trick me into playing with your ding-a-ling...

EWWW!

HEYYY! Keep yer hands to yerself, creep!
///

928 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:50:52pm

re: #908 Killgore Trout

I agree with you all of the viable and qualified candidates would have been boycotted by the religious right.


If the religious right did not approve, then they would not be so viable yes?

929 logboy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:51:02pm

re: #920 gmsc

It's just a jealous sex fantasy. They like to think everyone who came in ripped off her towel and started nailin' Pailn.

I think Larry Flynt already made that video.

930 Parker in US  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:51:19pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

If I collect enough downdings I get a free carton of smokes and a t-shirt.


Hey "Token" how are ya I see ur back to gloat

931 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:51:32pm

re: #917 J.S.

I believe that there's always the outside possibility that the "press" is lying through its teeth so as to curry favor with Obama and/or gain ratings/revenue...just keep this possibility in mind...

And, class, can anyone think of other examples of when the press lied?

932 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:01pm

re: #923 DisturbedEma

Wonder if they will print how much mo's dress will cost the American tax payers?

Wish someone ostensibly crowing about their cred in MSM would get that story out there. . could top more than 150,000. . .

I cannot stand that woman. Sorry, but I can't.

933 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:09pm

re: #926 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And speaking of "Full Metal Jacket", I think I'll watch now.

"Ladies and Gentleman, take my advise. Pull down your pants, and slide on the ice."- Maj. Sidney Freedman from "M*A*S*H". Later.

Radar..Do the men hate me?
Only your guts sir..

Loved M*A*S*H

934 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:23pm

re: #895 funky chicken

I don't see people threatening to purge the social conservatives from the GOP. I do see the social conservatives saying they want to purge the "RINOS."

Holy crap man, the GOP doesn't need to "purge" anyone. What they need to do is to accept EVERYONE!

They need to coalition build. The non religious Republicans and the religious Republicans need to get along and accept each other.
The social conservatives and the social moderates need to accept each other.

The Republican Party needs a bigger tent, not a smaller one. Reagan accepted everyone who believed in freedom and personal responsibility. He had no litmus tests to see if someone was a so called RINO. The GOP I remember was a party for all. Everyone was welcome. Even Log Cabin Republicans were welcome...because they were REPUBLICANS first!

935 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:28pm

Goldwater warned of this. And was not heeded.

936 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:36pm

re: #860 Han_Solo

Basically, YEAH!

I went to an elite University but never thought myself more than an average citizen. As I told someone today, I am the illegitimate child of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin. And proud of it.

The GOP needs to find a candidate who can grasp the issues fully and speak like a normal person. After 4 years of these Kos kid pseudo-intellectual whining douchebags the country will be ready for the real deal.

937 Quad Mocha Matti  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:52:57pm

Re: 858 Part 2:

HEY! If Joey Plugs can make gaffes without repercussions, why can't I?

Okay. Since I made an A$$ out of myself (despite having seen way too many war movies, and studying too much history), by mixing up things as a result of too much coffee, not enough sleep and too many distractions, I am banishing myself (at least for the next few hours) from LGF to save you all from any more of my faux-pas.

Good Night, All.

938 JarHeadLifer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:53:10pm

I don't buy any of this, even for a moment. But let's, for the sake of this argument say it's all true. Who would ever hire one of the McCain staffers to work on election again - even for county tax assessor?

What is clear, whether the stories are true or not, is that McCain surrounded himself with ass-covering, blame pushing egotists. I'm not sure if that says more about McCain of his staff themselves.

939 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:53:14pm

re: #930 Parker in US

Hey "Token" how are ya I see ur back to gloat


He has a problem with women.

940 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:53:19pm

re: #928 Racer X

If the religious right did not approve, then they would not be so viable yes?


Agreed. They would have nullified all of the viable candidates.

941 Captain Faris  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:53:44pm

I used to brief Air Force colonels and generals about real-world and exercise world (real data) background as prep for briefings, meetings, interviews with foreign officers, etc. So I have a perspective to offer:

Generals (or Governors) need to review current changes in sitreps all the time. When you "brief" them, they ask all sorts of questions that, if taped, would sound very "off the wall". What happens is that they are thinking about the last thing you said, then they hear you say something "weird" (i.e. mis-hear) and they ask for a childishly simple walk through of the info to straighten out the words they heard and clear their minds of the train-wreck.

If staff become arrogant (not often experienced in my "military" work) and sometimes if the staff just doesn't follow the general's thinking, the generals who don't really have time for this and who have the pressure on them YELL in order to pass on some of the sense of urgency.

So I think a video might show something that looked somewhat the way the staffers are reporting, but that only backbiters would twist to make their "target" look bad.

Re: the Couric non-prep and backlash. If staffers had only said, "Look me in the eye Governor: These people are vicious and hate you! They will do anything to make you look bad. This prep we're proposing is to help you get a feel for the way it will go." Then they could have received permission to do their jobs. But these staffers were only trained to handle tough campaign veterans. These staffers were not putting themselves in their master's shoes.

These staffers were losers then--and now, by talking, they are untrustworthy trash.

942 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:53:44pm

re: #916 Killgore Trout

I get instantly banned over there. I've tried several times.

Just proves we put up with more bull$hit than they do.

943 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:02pm

Musings for the next few days;

Has the dear leader nailed down that "rich magic number" using the Oujiue board? Or maybe the Magic 8 ball?

Has dear leader given any thought to how he is going to address tax cut/huge ass spending paradox (paratax)?

Had dear leader realized that there is actual WORK to do, or is it all still about him?

I will scour the MSM for clues

///


Night my preciousss lizardim

944 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:12pm

re: #912 karmic_inquisitor

Just think - we know there is a great deal of dirt out there on Obama. When he starts falling short of expectations of these various extremist groups he has hung with, they will retaliate by releasing "information bombs" that will undermine Obama's "moral authority."

[snip]

In Obama we have the opposite. No honor among thieves.

Remember, the left instantly turns on one another without so much as a second thought when unhappy.

945 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:13pm

re: #933 HoosierHoops

Radar..Do the men hate me?
Only your guts sir..

Loved M*A*S*H

Just remember, there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything and the wrong way is to keep trying to make everybody else do it the right way.
~Colonel Potter

946 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:22pm

re: #939 newsjunkie_ky

He has a problem with women.


Liberated chicks dig me.

947 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:31pm

re: #925 Killgore Trout

A lot of people shit on 2001 but it's simply a brilliant movie as far as I'm concerned.

The best movies (Ex...Citizen Kane, The Wizard of Oz) were not loved to start out.

948 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:42pm

re: #925 Killgore Trout

A lot of people shit on 2001 but it's simply a brilliant movie as far as I'm concerned.

That is one of the great films of all time. Nobody serious would deride 2001.

949 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:54:56pm

re: #824 Killgore Trout

OK here is a very dangerous off the top of my head analysis of other VP choices that may piss everyone off:

Giuliani -- idiotic campaign strategy. A friend (but not sure what that means in politics and especially with a guy that calls everyone his friend). A possible way to keep the social conservatives at home if you did not care about winning.

Huckabee -- a man that needs his own party (Republicrats? -- come to think of it maybe a perfect match) and a proven loose cannon -- the Republican Joe Biden on occasion (but not with Joe's dedication and consistency). Would possible keep some of the social conservatives in the game but he had the "Hillary problem" (plenty of good debate footage).

Thompson -- old and tired matched with the same.

Romney -- not a friend (again it's politics so I don't know why that matters) and the Hillary problem on 2 fronts (debate footage and "carpetbagging" -- a BS charge IMHO).

I am not really sure who you had in mind -- HRC, Thomas Sowell, Tom Ridge, Colin Powell (may have stopped the endorsement), Dick Cheney (who is about to be vindicated by J. Biden's non-stop imitation of Yogi Berra without the wit)?

950 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:02pm

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

951 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:21pm

re: #940 Killgore Trout

Agreed. They would have nullified all of the viable candidates.

Not my point.

To be "viable", you have to somehow get the approval of the religious right.

952 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:24pm

re: #882 DesertSage

I don't think anybody here was under the allusion that Bush was a conservative.
He was re-elected for one reason and one reason only...to win the War on Terror.

Well that and the fact that John F'n Kerry was an idiot.

Agreed.

So piling on McCain for not meeting a standard than our sitting guy doesn't meet kinda has us pointing fingers at the wrong guy, doesn't it?

Ideally, McCain could have said "I am not George Bush - I will actually make government smaller!" but that would have been a disaster for Bush and ultimately McCain.

I think McCain played the best hand he could (except for the "suspend my campaign for the financial crisis" move - that cost dearly). He certainly played a smart card with Palin - she turned it into a race - undeniably.

953 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:27pm

re: #847 ratherdashing
I don't understand - are you saying that the "Christian Conservatives" didn't vote because they weren't "courted" or because they hated the more or less secular McCain or because, as in 2006 they decided to punish the Republicans?
I really don't understand: Did the Christian Conservatives not know what was at stake here? Obama/Wright/Pfleger/Ayers vs. McCain and Palin?!

954 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:29pm

re: #932 Wyatt Earp

I cannot stand that woman. Sorry, but I can't.

Me either. . .it is reflexive, I just go shudder, and look away. . .

955 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:31pm

#853 Yesandno:
"Where is the sense of loyalty here..."

A good question; but, maybe a more useful question: "Where is the sense of fear here?"

12 Step Republican Recovery Program:

1) Kick Ass and Take Names
2) BiPartisan = Date Rape
3) Fear to Breach the Omerta

956 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:55pm

Stop arguing, dammit.

957 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:55:58pm

re: #860 Han_Solo

Broke the upding on that one!

958 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:56:15pm

re: #951 Racer X

To be "viable", you have to somehow get the approval of the religious right.


Yes, that's a problem.

959 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:56:22pm

re: #941 Captain Faris

These staffers were losers then--and now, by talking, they are untrustworthy trash.

The most salient quote today.

These staffers should never be permitted near politicians again. Ever.

Make that conservative politicians.

960 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:56:32pm

re: #946 Killgore Trout

Liberated chicks dig me.

chicks may dig you, but women don't.

961 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:56:34pm

I love it. Tonight you'll trash Fox, next month, you'll love Fox. This month Palin is a saint, next month it will be Jindal. I imagine what it is like to a liberal lurking on this thread. He'll go back to his liberal blog and report the same sort of behavior that we gripe about on the left.

We do we insist on painting ourselves into a corner? Guess what, FOX IS THE MSM. AL-JAZEERA IS THE MSM. CNN IS THE MSM. They are all for-profit business'. Why in heavens name would you think otherwise, and why does ANY of this behavior surprise you.

I know most of the Lizards are not stupid. I know you don't go through life with blinders on. But boy, when everything don't work out just the way we want it to, we start acting like we've been blindsided. Not cool.

962 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:56:57pm

The part of McCain's platform that I loved?


You will know their names!
963 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:07pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Walter - don't mean to butt in, but tw just thinks Obama should have been unelectable in the extreme. She considers his election unacceptable, his errors intolerable. So - the idea is that if we can elect such a man, then even someone with something as extreme as a belief in exorcism might be electable. A good atheist, for example may consider all religion fantasy, so why is another superstition that out of the way? I don't say she thought the same thoughts I did, but I think she just felt it. I think she really knows the relevance of the exorcism, but is just not in a clear, calculating mood right now.

964 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:21pm

re: #949 unclassifiable

Agreed, even the presidential candidates were all weak this time. It's a problem.

965 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:25pm

re: #687 Hucbald

I posted that Sara Palin should be McCain's pick a full six months before she was selected, and when she was selected I predicted that she would be blamed for McCain's loss. Well, I'm right about this too: If McCain had picked ANYONE ELSE he would have lost by a far larger margin. All these Frummian idiots who think Republicans need to move left can lick my balls. They're idiots. Palin got the conservatives out to vote, when Romney, especially, would have inspired them to stay home.

Palin went from the frying pan into the fire, and she did pretty well, considering the hostile environment she entered at a moment's notice. And, I might add, EVERYONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS HER says she learned exactly what she needed to learn to play on the national stage. Hell, she drew bigger crowds than Biden or McCain, and out-drew Obama in some regions.

If you don't like Sarah Palin, I have some bad news for you: She'll be back. With a vengeance.

Minor quibble: McCain picked her, which was a huge gamble for him, and an amazing gift to the GOP for the future, and a big gift to the right wing.

The thanks he gets? People going on blogs and "true conservative" talk radio and savaging him, still, at every opportunity.

He should have just chosen Lieberman, apparently. The people here and on conservative blogs couldn't have been any nastier to the man.

966 kynna  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:29pm

re: #917 J.S.

I believe that there's always the outside possibility that the "press" is lying through its teeth so as to curry favor with Obama and/or gain ratings/revenue...just keep this possibility in mind...

I agree, and that's why the McCain campaign needs to get an earful so they'll come out and say it.

Time to take the MSM to task. McCain lost. He has also lost clout in the senate. He won't have the power he had since he's not pulling the rug out from George Bush anymore. He should do the right thing politically before he settles into Shady Acres Retirement Home(s).

967 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:44pm

re: #956 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stop arguing, dammit.

You stop first!

968 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:57:58pm

re: #951 Racer X

Not my point.

To be "viable", you have to somehow get the approval of the religious right.

Then in 2012 they should do all the selecting for us. Unless you're a member, you don't get to pick the nominee. Let's see what they do with that ability and what it gets them.

969 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:30pm

re: #897 lennysquiggy

If she is really that stupid, why did the campaign choose her? And regardless of the validity of this report, why the hell are they leaking this? It's been 18 years since Clinton was elected and I have yet to see a TV reporter breathlessly report anything like this.

And when "The Path to 9/11" called Clinton out on some of his failings on foreign policy, the Clintonistas circled the wagons and got the film edited to suit their tastes (or am I remembering this wrong?). And it takes our side 24 hours to completely turn on each other.

Nice.

It's the Romneyites trying to take her down so their man can ride to the rescue in 2012. Sickening.

970 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:36pm

re: #707 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe Palin wasn't a good VP choice.

(intrepid stealthily climbing out on a different branch of the same tree, and sawing off the limb KT is on)

heh :-)

971 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:36pm

re: #960 newsjunkie_ky

chicks may dig you, but women don't.


That explains the lack of schtanky on my hangdown. Thanks.

972 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:48pm

re: #963 legalpad

Walter - don't mean to butt in, but tw just thinks Obama should have been unelectable in the extreme. She considers his election unacceptable, his errors intolerable. So - the idea is that if we can elect such a man, then even someone with something as extreme as a belief in exorcism might be electable. A good atheist, for example may consider all religion fantasy, so why is another superstition that out of the way? I don't say she thought the same thoughts I did, but I think she just felt it. I think she really knows the relevance of the exorcism, but is just not in a clear, calculating mood right now.

Hey, we can even elect criminals now!

973 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

whoyoutalkintowillis?

974 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:58:57pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

I'm always up for bashing fox. Fuck 'em.

975 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:03pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

Everybody is still pissed.

Have a friend who was demoted at his job. Within a month separated from his wife.

I don't think they would have separated if not for the job stuff.

I love you guys (really). Y'all need to calm down on each other.

976 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:04pm

re: #960 newsjunkie_ky

chicks may dig you, but women don't.

... do you mean 6' deep dig and then throw the dirt down on top of you ... sort of DIG?

977 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:06pm

re: #941 Captain Faris

Damn, Captain. I get your point and it is a good one. But that is some serious mil-speak. I love military guys but the lingo is at times nearly indecipherable! No worries, of course.

978 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:31pm

Post-election thoughts:

• Of course America is sexist! They'd vote a black man into the White House before they'd vote a woman in!

• Don't blame me. I only voted once!

979 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:44pm

re: #968 Sharmuta

The religious right gave us GW Bush instead of McCain in 2000. What a damn disaster that has been.

980 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 8:59:46pm

re: #967 Racer X

You stop first!

No! You!

/

981 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:00pm

re: #943 DisturbedEma

Musings for the next few days;

Has the dear leader nailed down that "rich magic number" using the Oujiue board? Or maybe the Magic 8 ball?

Has dear leader given any thought to how he is going to address tax cut/huge ass spending paradox (paratax)?

Had dear leader realized that there is actual WORK to do, or is it all still about him?

/no, but Sasha and Malia are getting a puppy

982 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:01pm

re: #941 Captain Faris

Generals (or Governors) need to review current changes in sitreps all the time. When you "brief" them, they ask all sorts of questions that, if taped, would sound very "off the wall". What happens is that they are thinking about the last thing you said, then they hear you say something "weird" (i.e. mis-hear) and they ask for a childishly simple walk through of the info to straighten out the words they heard and clear their minds of the train-wreck.

My Mom saw President Kennedy in person in a small situation where he was going into a hospital when she was a teenager who had gone to the East Coast for the summer. He had someone speaking into his ear constantly (about who knows what) and he had a look on his face that just looked dumb (as if he didn't have the slightest idea what the guy was saying.)

Obviously, he wasn't dumb, but handlers do this thing where they're constantly feeding information into someone's ear and it is a rather indelicate business at times.

These (McCain) staffers were losers then--and now, by talking, they are untrustworthy trash.

Absolutely!

983 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:04pm

re: #972 ErislDysnomia

Hey, we can even elect criminals now!

By that, I mean there is no longer any disqualifying factor in anyone. Associations, questionable activities...none of it matters.

Isn't postmodernism prehistoricism wonderful?

984 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #643 HelloDare

QUIZ FOR OBAMA

1. How many states are there?

2. Are you on the Senate Banking Committee?

3. How many bombs hit Pear Harbor?
a. One
b. Two
c. More than two.

4. If you are elected President, how many years will you serve?
a. 8 to 10
b. 4 to 8
c. 2 to 6

5. True or False.
China's ports, train system and airports are vastly superior to the United States'?

6. Which army liberated Auschwitz?

7. What is the role of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

8. Which countries have UNSC veto power?

9. Bill Ayers is

a. an unrepentent terrorist
b. my friend.
a. & b.

10. Who has publicly admitted that you cause their leg to tingle?

A. Chris Matthews
B. Bernadine Dorn
C. Larry Craig
D. Barbara Walters
F. Scarlett Johansson

11. Who have you NOT thrown under the bus?

Rev. Wright
Your White Grandmother
Federico Fellini

12. Au Claire is a

State
City


13. Who lied about his vote on infantacide
A. Me
B. Sideshow Mel.


14. For the first time in her life, your wife was proud to be an American when

A. She had a chance of becoming First Lady.

B. She was never really proud till last night. Now she's insufferable.

OK - Buddy - updinged, copied, saved. Wow, what a collection!

985 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:40pm

re: #978 gmsc

Post-election thoughts:

• Of course America is sexist! They'd vote a black man into the White House before they'd vote a woman in!

• Don't blame me. I only voted once!

S-L-O-W learner ehhh?

Vote early Vote often! :)

986 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:00:48pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

O please. Don't try to speak on behalf of everyone here, ok? I've never, ever, been "ok" with Fox News -- I watched (some time ago -- years ago?) a freebie thing from the Cable company, they wanted to gain subscribers, so for one month offered the channel for free viewing -- I was not impressed -- I never subscribed to Fox -- I found that their "news" was more about Hollywood "starlets" and gossip than anything else...I would not pay the extra 5 bucks a month to sign up to their channel.

987 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:01:17pm
988 jayhoch  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:01:21pm
989 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:01:28pm

For what it is worth...

I don't think Obama will turn the White House into the brothel like Brother Clinton did.

990 freetoken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:01:32pm

Posted in the spin-offs a link to a new diavlog between Althouse and Reynolds. They don't lay the loss at Palin's feet.

991 wanglese  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:01:38pm

re: #699 JohnAdams

I'm waiting for the first time Obama has to deploy the military and we hear nothing from the Code Pink wackjobs and the freaks calling Obama a warmonger.

Well, they probably wont, because the troops will be deployed right there in the US, and the Code Pinkers will be happily informing the National Internal Security Forces where to pick up dissidents.

I hope the US is stronger than that.
I believe it is,

However history has shown us since the beginning that countries and societies can become collectively insane, and allow incredibly awful things to happen to themselves.

992 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:00pm

re: #968 Sharmuta

Then in 2012 they should do all the selecting for us. Unless you're a member, you don't get to pick the nominee. Let's see what they do with that ability and what it gets them.

My point is Republicans will not win an election with a candidate not supported by the religious right. They don't get to pick the person, but if they give a thumbs down it aint gonna happen. IMO

993 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:21pm

re: #979 funky chicken

I'm not a McCain fan.

I want a fiscal conservative who will keep government out of my life as much as possible. We had Duncan Hunter and we didn't even give him a good look.

994 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:23pm

I'm sure we are long off topic at this point but as one Palin's biggest fans I feel the need to stand up for her now. I am stunned to hear McCain (full disclosure: I'm not a McCain fan) is blaming Sarah for the loss. After it was announced she would be the VP pick, McCains numbers shot up. After the Couric interview in which they edited Palin down to her worst 4 minutes out of about 2 hours, McCain sank slightly. After the Palin-Biden debate in which Palin kicked ass, McCain's numbers went up. In short every time Palin spoke uncensored and unedited McCain surged ahead in the polls.
McCain didn't enter his final death spiral till the economy tanked and he told Sarah to shut up. Palin was the only reason McCain stayed in this race as long as he did and for his staffers to blame her for this loss is the height of ingratitude.
Again I relize you've all probably moved on from the main topic an apologize for this late entry but I needed to vent.

995 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:32pm

re: #971 Killgore Trout

It takes a lot to really astonish me, man, but that pretty well did it. Whoa!

996 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:41pm

re: #876 Cognito

Ah, no.

Apologies, but that is completely, utterly, fantastically untrue. George Washington, who showed us the model, was the best among his peers. The best. He was brave. Intelligent. Proven. And he was knowledgeable.

We don't need the average. We need the best.

Yes. This goes back to the anti-intellectualism thing---the populist kind of conservatism according to which any yahoo with a modicum of common sense can run a country.

997 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:02:45pm

re: #971 Killgore Trout

That explains the lack of schtanky on my hangdown. Thanks.

Spew!

LOL!

998 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:03:09pm

re: #992 Racer X

You're right.

It's a matter of math.

999 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:03:15pm
1000 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:03:15pm

re: #986 J.S.

You can't forget about the cute missing white person de jour. (I don't care if I spelled de jour right or not.)

Don't like Greta.

1001 yesandno  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:03:22pm

I thought yesterday was rough. All the waiting of the past few weeks culminated in results that I had hoped against hoped wouldn't occur.

But today is worse. All this blame, who did what, who didn't do what, what is a Conservative, what is a Social Conservative, what is economic conservatism, what segment caused them the election and on and on and on.

We are eating our own. And then we wonder where the leaders of our party are. Maybe tomorrow will be better...can't really get any worse.

1002 HelloDare  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:03:57pm

re: #988 jayhoch

Michelle Obama wears Rodriguez on Election night...

The dress looks like the cover to Prairie Fire.

1003 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:04:09pm

re: #987 Iron Fist

Are you implying that the press may have told the truth at some point? Color me skeptical. They might have been mistaken, but telling the truth? Nah.

I was implying the opposite. They lie like dogs on issues that matter. And have been doing it for years decades.

On whether the petunias look better than the pansies at the local flower show, they may tell the truth. Maybe.

1004 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:04:22pm

re: #643 HelloDare

QUIZ FOR OBAMA

Awesome!

All these things happened in public, too!

1005 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:04:50pm

re: #1004 Adina in Judea

And sadly? No one cared.

1006 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:04:55pm

The MSM is a majorly corrupt industry and FOX is no exception.

They all take news and package it as entertainment. Of necessity that dumbs it down for mass consumption.

Not worth paying much serious attention to.

1007 ratherdashing  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:05:03pm

re: #953 realwest

real,
The Christian conservatives were the grassroots workers in the 2004 campaign. They saw Bush (at the top of the ticket) as one of them. Palin had the same potential but I don't think McCain capitalized on it. It's not so much that Christians didn't vote, but they didn't get heavily involved in the campaign.

Obama's people had more 'get-out-the-vote' workers.

1008 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:05:11pm

re: #963 legalpad

Walter - don't mean to butt in, but tw just thinks Obama should have been unelectable in the extreme. She considers his election unacceptable, his errors intolerable. So - the idea is that if we can elect such a man, then even someone with something as extreme as a belief in exorcism might be electable. A good atheist, for example may consider all religion fantasy, so why is another superstition that out of the way? I don't say she thought the same thoughts I did, but I think she just felt it. I think she really knows the relevance of the exorcism, but is just not in a clear, calculating mood right now.

I understand now. I have been reading other posts from TW and things got clearer.

I think my overall thoughts on this has nothing to do with isolating the more religious among conservatives, but I feel that we must have a politics/morals position instead of a politic/religious position.

You can have a platform that includes morals without attributing those morals only to some religious thought.

But I see a lot of conservatives who are beginning to be more concerned with hard politics, and not whether some pastor and his mega-church is being placated.

It's not different than our concern with Obama's black liberation theology. We didn't want to see it brought into the White House. But we certainly would hope that Obama is a moral man, and now that he is soon to be in the White House, we would have no problems seeing some of his morality.

That's my point.

1009 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:05:19pm

Time for some sleeps, here's a classic dedicated to current Republican congressional leadership for being so out of touch.

No You Don't

1010 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:05:37pm

re: #979 funky chicken

The religious right gave us GW Bush instead of McCain in 2000. What a damn disaster that has been.

One thing I have thought about is what McCain would have done after 9/11.

I think he would have given serious consideration to hitting the Saudis. They financed so much of the Taliban.

1011 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:05:44pm

re: #992 Racer X

My point is Republicans will not win an election with a candidate not supported by the religious right. They don't get to pick the person, but if they give a thumbs down it aint gonna happen. IMO

That's my point. Flip the tables and we'll get the same thing. The religious right seems to think they're the makers and breakers. I'm not a member of the religious right and I find it insulting they think they can push this on the party and take my vote and support for granted. They're not the only player in this coalition and they better start playing nice or this country is in a world of hurt.

1012 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:06:33pm

re: #522 Opinionated

What do you consider as qualified? How was she unqualified? What specifically?

1013 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:06:43pm

re: #991 wanglese

Well, they probably wont, because the troops will be deployed right there in the US, and the Code Pinkers will be happily informing the National Internal Security Forces where to pick up dissidents.

I hope the US is stronger than that.
I believe it is,

However history has shown us since the beginning that countries and societies can become collectively insane, and allow incredibly awful things to happen to themselves.

Ding! Ding! Ding!
The National Security Defense Force, which Obama advocated very recently as a force "equally strong as our military" is the single most frightening idea I've heard from a Presidential candidate ever. If Bush had ever proposed such an idea, the left would have started smashing their sippy cups all over the kitchen. Still have not heard one MSM source question the notion. Un. Fucking. Believable.

1014 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:06:46pm

re: #896 Sharmuta

I don't know what to think but petty BS like this is counterproductive. And this is the top of the party here. Maybe grace and humility dictate that they should step aside having taken their final shot and failing but top pols in both political parties are not prone to that.

OK,
The next Congressional cycle is in two years. That means a chance for new precinct chairs and that is a start. That means facing up to the social conservatives and bringing your like-minded friends with you to the precinct election after the polls close. Most of these things are only controlled by a few people who count on low turnout and general ignorance (along with work, family, and other commitments) to stay in power.

Is this what you are talking about?

1015 scion9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:00pm

re: #895 funky chicken

I don't see people threatening to purge the social conservatives from the GOP. I do see the social conservatives saying they want to purge the "RINOS."

A RINO can be a social conservative. Just look at all the Christian Socialists in the GOP. They aren't conservative in any American sense of the word.

People are looking for a sliver of hope in the non-filibuster proof Congress, but is it really? Can we count on the RINOs to stand along Party lines when necessary, or are they going to reach across the aisle, because they believe essentially every single thing that the Dems preach, and virtually none of what the Republicans do?

What is the difference between a Bible-thumping RINO and a Blue Dog Democrat? Nothing really, including how they govern, and how they vote. Being a Republican doesn't really mean anything. It certainly doesn't dictate any political philosophy, or adherence to a party platform, or even stern, reactionary opposition to a philosophy or party.

1016 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:00pm

Oh. BTW. I found out about Michael Creighton's passing today here.

Loved some of his books.

1017 J.S.  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:35pm

re: #1000 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oookay...that would be "du jour" (that translates to "of the day")...

1018 Cognito  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:46pm

re: #996 Moe Katz

Yes. This goes back to the anti-intellectualism thing---the populist kind of conservatism according to which any yahoo with a modicum of common sense can run a country.

I've tried to untangle that in my mind, a bit. And I think that some people consider the non-populist view elitist and arrogant. But after a bit of reflection I think it's just the opposite; I think it requires humility to say, "Someone smarter than I am should have that job. That is an important job."

Collective will is a strange thing. Sometimes there's nothing dumber than a mob of people. But if that same mob bends its will toward -- humbly -- holding aloft its finest member, it's a wonderful thing. That's what I hope our country can do. Cast aside the idea, I mean, that we're all presidential material, and get on with elevating our betters.

1019 gmsc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:47pm
1020 Gitarzan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:07:58pm

re: #993 Sharmuta

I'm not a McCain fan.

I want a fiscal conservative who will keep government out of my life as much as possible. We had Duncan Hunter and we didn't even give him a good look.

While I agree in principle that Duncan is what we really need, he would've fared much worse than McCain did, even if he had Sarah as a running mate. Conservative bonifides he has, charisma, charm, and the ability to draw lots of people he doesn't IMO...

1021 DesertSage  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:08:23pm

Call me when you guys are serious about making the Republican Party a party for everyone again...like it was in the 80's.

And I mean EVERYONE!

Gays and Straights.
Evolutionists and creationists.
White, Black, Yellow and Red...even Greenies.
Males and Females.
Rednecks and Metro-sexuals.
Rich and Poor.

I want the Republican Party to be the big tent party like it used to be. I'm serious...everyone is welcome. Everyone.

Until you people can get serious about accepting all people, I'll be hanging out with the Libertarians.
But I want the GOP back...and I want it to accept ALL people!

1022 Biff  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:08:25pm

re: #52 Opinionated

She couldn't name the three countries in North America.

That is so utterly ridiculous! This is a pure smear. If it came from McCain's staff, they are just trying to convince their next RINO boss that it was not their fault. What BS.

1023 jcm  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:08:35pm

PBS in Seattle has American Valor running about Medal of Honor winners. It just started and I'm already in tears.

1024 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:08:35pm

re: #997 Racer X

Spew!

LOL!

O-o-o-o-oh, now I get it.

1025 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:08:38pm

Can...Will some one tell me why...everyone is back to little green footballs by their nics?...did I miss out on some LGF change news...again?

1026 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:09:46pm

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

LOL. By the way, do you smoke? It doesn't seem like something you would indulge in. I stopped cold on Aug. 18th. But gosh, my appetite has been ravenous since then.

Kudos to you, Walter. I've been suckin' 'em down like a smoke stack the last couple of days. Walking up and down stairs is quite the challenge and I'm hoping to cut back after the emotional upheaval of this election is over.

1027 Gitarzan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:10:01pm

re: #1025 Inquisitive

Can...Will some one tell me why...everyone is back to little green footballs by their nics?...did I miss out on some LGF change news...again?

Charles turned the avatars off to lessen the load on the hamsters through the election.

1028 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:10:15pm

re: #953 realwest
Sorry all y'all - I just broke my own promise to myself.
I'm not gonna play lets blame [insert your favorite Republican or ideological group within the Republican Party] game here. I'm not.
The facts are pretty fucking basic: Obama bought this election. He outspent McCain by 7 to 1. Just think about that for a minute. 7 to 1. Obama had "volunteers" and call phone banks from all over hell and creation - according to Fox something like 73% of American voters were called and or visited by Obama "volunteers" after McCain was made the offical choice of the Republican party. He bought a half hour of PRIME TIME on 7 different broadbased MSM channels. McCain bought none - he couldn't afford to.
Forget about Campaign Finance Reform - it's dead. From now on elections will go to he or she who has the significantly the most money. That's really all Obama had. Money. TONS of money.
Ideas - not really anything to speak about. Well except for raising taxes while the nation is in the grip of a major recession - good plan there, huh? and in foreign policy Obama picks the ONE MUSLIM NATION in the World with nuclear weapons and missiles to play tough guy with. An empty suit, no experienced, bullshit artist won this election because to my shame and complete, utter embarrassment, America was for sale to the highest bidder and this time around that was Barack Hussein Obama.

1029 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:10:37pm

re: #993 Sharmuta

I'm not a McCain fan.

I want a fiscal conservative who will keep government out of my life as much as possible. We had Duncan Hunter and we didn't even give him a good look.

As an FYI - I am in DH's district and know Duncan D Hunter (his son and successor).

Duncan Sr. was willing to bend the rules of fiscal conservatism to reward folks in his district. Duncan D Hunter was on the tube this morning talking about "jobs for NASCO" (NASCO is a local ship builder with fat union jobs and one customer - the US Taxpayer).

"Fiscal conservatism" needs a "good housekeeping seal of approval" so folks know if a rep actually walks the walk.

1030 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:10:38pm

re: #1025 Inquisitive

Avatars make it longer load time in busy hours.

1031 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:11:19pm

re: #938 JarHeadLifer

I don't buy any of this, even for a moment. But let's, for the sake of this argument say it's all true. Who would ever hire one of the McCain staffers to work on election again - even for county tax assessor?

What is clear, whether the stories are true or not, is that McCain surrounded himself with ass-covering, blame pushing egotists. I'm not sure if that says more about McCain of his staff themselves.

JarHeadLifer, you too must consider adding to the 12-Step Republican Recovery Plan. Well said.

1032 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:12:36pm

re: #959 ErislDysnomia

bravo! Now you're talking. Kick Ass and Take Names, Step One

1033 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:12:52pm

re: #1027 talon_262

Charles turned the avatars off to lessen the load on the hamsters through the election.

Thank You for the reply!

1034 Gus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:12:59pm

I couldn't finish listening to this since it looks like Fox News is back to doing what it does best: gossip reporting. Perhaps Palin threw a fit once but they make it sound like she did it all the time. This is typical since people will characterize you for one incident.

1035 Biff  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:13:39pm

It was so obvious once Palin got out from under the influence of the McCain staffers. Instead of trying to memorize the Rino playbook while saying Maverick every five words, she got to be herself - smart, vibrant, eloquent, compelling, and representing a vision of America that we all know and love.

1036 Moe Katz  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:13:43pm

re: #1018 Cognito

That's what I hope our country can do. Cast aside the idea, I mean, that we're all presidential material, and get on with elevating our betters.

Maybe that attitude comes easier to me than some folks here because I'm an older school Canadian Tory conservative. We don't have quite the same egalitarian belief system as our neighbo[u]rs.

1037 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:13:45pm

re: #1013 JohnAdams

Ding! Ding! Ding!
The National Security Defense Force, which Obama advocated very recently as a force "equally strong as our military" is the single most frightening idea I've heard from a Presidential candidate ever. If Bush had ever proposed such an idea, the left would have started smashing their sippy cups all over the kitchen. Still have not heard one MSM source question the notion. Un. Fucking. Believable.

We need to monitor Congress and be ready to respond instantly and loudly should this start to be put forward.

1038 yesandno  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:13:53pm

re: #999 Wyatt Earp
re: #988 jayhoch

Michelle Obama wears Rodriguez on Election night...

*yawn*

NARSICO Rodriguez no less...how appropriate...

From his Black Widow collection no doubt...(oh what a web we weave...)

1039 Palandine  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:14:15pm

re: #948 JohnAdams

That is one of the great films of all time. Nobody serious would deride 2001.

I assume it's great because people say so. I didn't get it. I found it surreal and weird, but that's probably just me.

1040 AMER1CAN  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:14:28pm

I stopped watching FOX long ago. It's far to shallow for me. Frankly, I can't stand O'Reily or Hannity, for a number of reasons.

If you think these guys give a crap about conservatism then I think you are just kidding yourself. What they care about is money. And lots of it. And hey we all do, so I'm not knocking the guys about it, but don't think for a second that I'm fooled.

I think a lot of folks have been fooled though.

It's always always about the money. And whenever someone says it's not about the money, it's then always about the money. Period.

1041 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:14:49pm

re: #1008 Walter L. Newton

Oh, I understand your point, and I know you had no way of knowing where the best spot to make it on this thread would be. I myself do not have conventional religious views, but I have some very rigid moral standards. (This does not mean I am perfect.) Ultimately, I think any political candidates moral/ethical standards should be independent of their religious background, but for the most part, I have no objection to whatever their religious background is. That can be a very personal, a very emotional thing, and that's fine with me too.

1042 Inquisitive  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:15:07pm

re: #1028 realwest

I would give you a up ding for every dollar that Obama will bring in with his new taxes if I could.

1043 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:15:18pm

re: #1028 realwest

Sorry all y'all - I just broke my own promise to myself.

Thank you!

An empty suit, no experienced, bullshit artist won this election because to my shame and complete, utter embarrassment, America was for sale to the highest bidder and this time around that was Barack Hussein Obama.

Absolutely!

The only way to win next time is to collect billionaires in time for the next Presidential election and to get them to chip in a billion among them via the internet.

All this "Obama ran a flawless campaign" stuff is crap. He made a LOT of really amazing gaffs (such as 60 states thing and the uncle who liberated Auschwitz for the Soviet Army, etc, etc.)

Obama had the money. The White House was for sale.

It's a shame, but it's the way elections are going to be from now on.

1044 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:16:17pm

re: #1032 Joan

bravo! Now you're talking. Kick Ass and Take Names, Step One

I am making it my business that these staffer's names will become so permananet in the Internet Search Engines and archive.org that the library computer of Enterprise NCC-1701F will contain them.

1045 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:17:01pm

re: #993 Sharmuta

I've said many times McCain wasn't my guy this time around until he had the nomination.

BUT there's no argument that McCain has always been way more of a fiscal hawk than Bush. McCain would never have signed porkfest after porkfest that the GOP congress sent to the Oval Office. He wouldn't have tried to implement the Marshall Plan in Iraq before the enemy was soundly defeated and identified either. The weird thing is, McCain is a religious guy--regularly attends a conservative church, adopted a sick little girl from Bangladesh, Cindy does charity work in horrible slums all over the world, etc. He's just not comfortable going on about it in public.

But the religious right demanded that Bush be the nominee in 2000, and we got the last 8 years, which have been disastrous for the GOP and the nation.

So disastrous, in fact, that Americans just elected a cipher who has always gone out of his way to ally himself with lunatics and Marxists.

1046 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:17:13pm

re: #1044 ErislDysnomia

re: #1032 Joan

bravo! Now you're talking. Kick Ass and Take Names, Step One

I am making it my business that these staffer's names will become so permananet in the Internet Search Engines and archive.org that the library computer of Enterprise NCC-1701F will contain them.

Awesome!

1047 Biff  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:17:42pm

The networks are junkies for the advertising dollar, fortunately for Obama, he manufactured their drug of choice.

(paraphrasing "Wonder Boys")

1048 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:18:04pm

re: #1044 ErislDysnomia

I am making it my business that these staffer's names will become so permananet in the Internet Search Engines and archive.org that the library computer of Enterprise NCC-1701F will contain them.

Oh, cr*p that should have been NCC-1701 J.

1049 Salem  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:18:33pm

So it's easier to believe that Palin didn't know Africa isn't a country than that these guys were a bunch of sexist, jealous, vindictive jerks looking for someone to put the blame for McCain's defeat on?

Hm. Well, to each his own...

1050 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:19:41pm

re: #1028 realwest

Agree with you that this should pretty much deep 6 McCain-Feingold (at least in practice).

But I think the whole thing is that the "reaching across the aisle" or "moving to the center" needs to be reformulated or dumped.

Basically we do not need a uniter, a divider, or a platitude machine (that's you Mr. President Elect).

WHAT WE NEED IS PERSUADER THAT BRING FOLKS TO THE CAUSE!

1051 Biff  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:19:48pm

There is the Republic of Central Africa.

1052 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:19:54pm

re: #1042 Inquisitive
Why thank you, thank you very much.
I hope the thanks is because I'm sick and tired of hearing "Republicans" blaming every group of people who form the Republican Party for this loss.
If folks like the Religious Right didn't vote for McCain and helped insure an Obama win, shame on them and shame on every conservative, liberal, middle of the road, don't give a shit Republican who didn't vote for McCain and helped insure an Obama victory and - maybe even worse - that HUGE congressional majority the Dems won.
To quote Pogo "We have met the enemy and he is us."

1053 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:20:12pm

re: #1049 Salem

So it's easier to believe that Palin didn't know Africa isn't a country than that these guys were a bunch of sexist, jealous, vindictive jerks looking for someone to put the blame for McCain's defeat on?

Hm. Well, to each his own...

and they couldn't even come out with believable bullshit.

THEY ARE AS INCOMPETENT AS DAN RATHER

1054 2by2  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:20:59pm

re: #988 jayhoch

Michelle Obama wears Rodriguez on Election night...

...and it makes her look a bit heavy.

1055 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:12pm

re: #1014 unclassifiable

If we don't get involved, then we have less say in the party process- from nominations to the platform.

1056 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:32pm

These campaign staffer jerks also criticized her for shopping to buy her own clothes. Who was it that leaked the information about the $150,000 worth of clothes that they bought in different sizes for her? The staffers, probably.

She said in public that she wore her own clothes most of the time.

So she had to shop somewhat (since she was wearing different clothes each time she went out, pretty much.) So what?

She was still keeping up quite a schedule.

They really stabbed her in the back.

1057 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:21:38pm

McCain opposed the Medicare prescription drug entitlement program, and has always opposed the ethanol boondoggle.

1058 scion9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:14pm

On the issue of an exceptional, first in class person as a politician, I agree. However to assert that the Founding Fathers believed in the concept of a Political Class that entered politics in their teenage years as volunteers in college, became professional campaigners and strategists, then moved up to appointed secratariat positions, onto elected office, never having worked in the private sector living a lavish lifestyle purely off of public funds for their entire adult lives is completely incorrect. It has nothing to do with how 'complicated' the world is.

Some politicians, when they retire return to civilian life. From my experience, most politicians rise through the ranks as beuarocrats, and as such were never actually a part of civilian life in the first place. We have an American nomenklature, that Sarah Palin was not a part of. She is not alone in that respect as far as politicians go, and I wouldn't elect someone or campaign for them strictly on the basis of them not being part of some kind of aristocracy, but that quality of not only being an 'outsider' but not being a groomed academician beaurocrat is highly appealing.

I still want a first in class politician in as many areas as possible, however I am strongly skeptical that the machine that is producing those who fill the halls and offices of Washington are anywhere near first in class. That they are capable of representating we the people. I say this as someone who "can see Washington DC from my house".

1059 HDrepub  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:22:14pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

The liberals even love FOX sometimes, like today they are quoting Campaign Carl on Huff-n-Puff Post. Tomorrow they will go back to hating again.

1060 AMER1CAN  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:23:29pm

re: #1045 funky chicken

McCain didn't vote for that maassive bailout UNTIL it was completely porked out.

/food for thought

1061 wolfie  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:08pm

re: #1021 DesertSage

I think we are a much bigger tent than the Dems already, Sage. Remember back when the primaries were just starting? All of the Dem candidates had almost identical views on every issue, but that wasn't the way it was in the GOP. I like that.
I guess the problem is that a party has to stand for something, something that distinguishes it from the other party. So maybe we're just looking for something everyone can agree on.
I'd hate to think we have to agree on everything, the way Dems do.

1062 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:38pm

well, off to bed with me

1063 JarHeadLifer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:40pm

re: #643 HelloDare

"12. Au Claire is a

State
City"

...What I thought Au Claire was a delicious cream-filled pastry. You shouldn't get all fancy with these Latin terms.

1064 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:43pm

re: #1039 Palandine

I assume it's great because people say so. I didn't get it. I found it surreal and weird, but that's probably just me.

Hey, cool. There's things I don't get either. I don't want to get all elitist on ya'! It's art. That's all. People respond to different things.

1065 Biff  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:24:59pm

NPR was falling all over itself today to say nice things about McCain. Kind of like before he sewed up the nomination. What a great guy that John McCain is. Democrats' best friend.

The McCain people are great for stabbing their fellow GOP in the back - Mitt, Rudy, Palin ...

1066 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:25:27pm

Look folks,

these "didn't know Africa was a continent" smears are not even credible.

You would think staffers could at least come up with bullshit that was believable.

WHO DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF?

HINT - linky

1067 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:25:39pm

On the topic: I think the media, including Fox, does not notice that they use a double standard when dealing with Governor Palin. A man, especially a democrat,making a slip of the tongue, or saying something stupid gets a complete pass. "Oh, that's not what you meant, is it?" The exactitude of such data as "Palin doesn't know whether Africa is a continent, etc" is quite relevant. And, by the way, women have the right to react differently than men to stress, and it doesn't make them one wit less competent. I am damn glad they are as exactly as different as they are. I would much rather have Sarah Palin with her finger on the nuclear button than Joe Biden, or for that matter, Matt Damon. The nasty condescension of lesser beings does not erase the fact that they are using an extreme double standard.

1068 Nexx9  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:27:26pm

Sounds so spun as to be bogus.

- She dealt with Canadian companies for the pipeline deal and could not have been unaware of the free trade pact.
- she probably asked a question about a detail, which got blown out of proportion.

- American Exceptionalism is a concept many of the elites know as a theory. Palin lives it. Her bucking the system, taking down a moose, in fact her essential *attitude* is American Exceptionalist.
- Even her standing up for her non-Catholic religion would be rare in oh-so sophisticated western Europe. She embodies American Exceptionalism and that's one of the reasons she got such a suurge of support.

She isn't ashamed of her outlook, nor should she be. Nex

1069 DebbieSym  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:28:28pm

It's entirely possible she was freaking out now and then, but so what? She was under enormous pressure. I thought on the campaign trail she was terrific.

1070 Gus  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:10pm

I don't think it's fair to say "McCain staff." That implies that Fox got multiple sources from within the staff when in fact it more than likely it was perhaps one or two. They're embellishing the amount of sources.

1071 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:37pm

re: #1060 AMER1CAN

Yes--I really, really wish he had voted against it, and publicly announced that he couldn't support it because of the larding.

I am definitely suspicious of Henry Paulson and his role in the whole thing...I question the timing, and I certainly question that he worked extensively with Pelosi and Reid on the bailout package. McCain had to go back to DC to get the congressional republicans allowed into the room.

But, the decision to suspend the campaign, and then to sign the porkfest bailout probably killed his chance at victory. If he had a prayer once Paulson, Pelosi, and Reid went out there screaming NEW GREAT DEPRESSION 6 weeks before the election.

1072 JohnAdams  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:29:51pm

re: #1058 scion9

Upding. Well said.

1073 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:30:06pm

Considering how poorly geography is taught these days, I claim it likely it was the STAFFERS who didn't know these things and Sarah Palin chewed them out for it.

How many college students today can locate Iraq on a map?

1074 unclassifiable  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:09pm

re: #1055 Sharmuta

OK.

1075 Racer X  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:23pm

re: #993 Sharmuta

I'm not a McCain fan.


?

1076 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:31:51pm

re: #1065 Biff

NPR was falling all over itself today to say nice things about McCain. Kind of like before he sewed up the nomination. What a great guy that John McCain is. Democrats' best friend.

The McCain people are great for stabbing their fellow GOP in the back - Mitt, Rudy, Palin ...

Yet another MDS victim. This is how our party supports its nominee?

The people leaking this crap about Palin have been former Romney staffers. They are trying to kill her chances to stand in their man's way in 2012.

1077 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:32:34pm

re: #1043 Adina in Judea

All this "Obama ran a flawless campaign" stuff is crap. He made a LOT of really amazing gaffs

Thank you! Exactly! He was ushered in by the powers that be, media and money.

1078 Maximu§  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:33:42pm

My God, talk about "eating your young", this hit piece on Palin should be slammed hard by McCain tomorrow. Its bad enough that we lost, now we have to watch Gov. Palin get smeared by her own side because she wasn't an expert on everything and everyone.

1079 AMER1CAN  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:33:57pm

re: #1071 funky chicken

Yes--I really, really wish he had voted against it, and publicly announced that he couldn't support it because of the larding.

But, the decision to suspend the campaign, and then to sign the porkfest bailout probably killed his chance at victory.

Agreed. Exactly what I said in a thread last night. The bailout was in many ways a gift for McCain that he completely fumbled away.

1080 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:34:23pm

re: #1067 legalpad

On the topic: I think the media, including Fox, does not notice that they use a double standard when dealing with Governor Palin.

They aren't the only ones (as evidenced by some in this thread.)

The nasty condescension of lesser beings does not erase the fact that they are using an extreme double standard.

Exactly!

Even most conservatives gave Obama a pass when he said "My Muslim faith" and Stephanopoulos chimed in very quickly with "Your CHRISTIAN faith" to help him.

Katie Couric's fangs were out for Sarah Palin (and Charlie Gibson's smirk.)

It's a double standard and it's not just the MSM doing it.

1081 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:37:49pm

re: #1054 2by2

...and it makes her look a bit heavy.

Rodriguez is couture, probably 4-5k per dress. I didn't hear one peep out of the media. And yes, I'll bet the McCainers leaked the info about the new threads for Palin.

1082 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:39:03pm

re: #408 Cognito

Again, it's not about comparison. It's not about Obama. Not about Biden. It's about knowing the candidates we field. Assuming, of course, that she is planning on staying on the national stage.

And heck, she may come forth and blast her naysayers to the Great Ballot Box in the Sky, and that'll be great. But that's what I think it will take, at this point.

in case you failed to notice, Cog, Palin isn't seeking public office right now. Her run at the VP slot is over. And she still sits in the Governor's chair of Alaska. She owes nobody a denial of these slurs, which are undoubtedly false rumors being spread by low-life campaign staffers seeking to deflect the blame for McCain's defeat from their own shoulders.

1083 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:39:58pm

re: #1079 AMER1CAN

re: #1071 funky chicken

Yes--I really, really wish he had voted against it, and publicly announced that he couldn't support it because of the larding.

But, the decision to suspend the campaign, and then to sign the porkfest bailout probably killed his chance at victory.

Agreed. Exactly what I said in a thread last night. The bailout was in many ways a gift for McCain that he completely fumbled away.

McCain should have spoken up IMMEDIATELY (without suspending his campaign) about the FM/FM disaster being a Democratic problem.

We all had the video of McCain WARNING them years ago that it was going to blow up. He should have stayed with his campaign and played that video in most of his ads for the next two weeks.

At the time, I thought he was trying to put country first by not saying anything (in case it would make the financial situation worse.)

Now, I think it was the biggest mistake he could have made.

He blamed "Wallstreet greed" and he got Sarah Pallin to say this, too.

The Democrats got away with blaming Bush without the country being confronted with the truth.

1084 SpartanWoman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:41:31pm

As for McCain squashing this stuff, it's still early enough in AZ for him to do so. He hasn't and I have heard nothing to indicate there is any concern on his part.

It annoys me to hear Romney getting the blame for this in some quarters, but not a shock. McCain hated him too.

1085 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:44:08pm

Sadly, McCain trusted Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke when they said we were staring that another Great Depression if they didn't get their bailout.

It's pretty obvious they were full of shit. I think both should be dragged before a grand jury and asked a lot of questions. First, which one of them convinced Chris Cox to kill the uptick rule 7 months ago?

1086 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:45:14pm

re: #953 realwest

I don't understand - are you saying that the "Christian Conservatives" didn't vote because they weren't "courted" or because they hated the more or less secular McCain or because, as in 2006 they decided to punish the Republicans?
I really don't understand: Did the Christian Conservatives not know what was at stake here? Obama/Wright/Pfleger/Ayers vs. McCain and Palin?!

My thoughts? Christian conservatives came out and voted, but many fiscal conservatives and those against open borders did not.

Call it the Amnesty Effect.

1087 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:45:51pm

Did Palin misrepresent herself or her views in order to convince McCain to choose her as his running mate?
I don't think so.
Therefore Palin is not responsible for the fact that her selection by McCain ended up costing many votes by virtue of taking much of the steam out of the argument that Obama lacked the necessary experience to be POTUS.
Palin knowingly allowed herself to be used by McCain to consolidate the religious right wing of the party. She believed in McCain's candidacy and she had the political ambition to become VP.
But she is not responsible for losing the election, and she does not deserve to be trashed. It is McCain who must answer for choosing her.
On the other hand and in a perverse kind of way, to the extent that Palin is the symbol of the Republican religious right, she may have to be purged if the party is to move itself to the centre.
Politics is a dirty, filthy business, and it is not only Democrats who get thrown under the bus when it is politically expedient to do so.

1088 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:46:06pm

now I really am off to bed.

Spartan Woman, it was covered extensively over at Red State and at American Spectator that it was the Romney people who were leaking crap about Palin from the beginning.

I believe they named names even. The stories were published last week or the week before that.

1089 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:48:24pm

re: #961 Walter L. Newton

Actually, no. We just want confirmation of the sources for the "news" story other than "unnamed campaign sources".

We have all kinds of sources about Obama's stuff, and Biden's stuff.

We do not have confirmed sources as to this story, Walter. Just "unnamed" ones.

We demanded that the LA Times release the Obama tape - why should we not demand that the Fox news people give us more than just unnamed rumor?

1090 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:48:34pm

Fox News has this video attacking Palin as the top story on their website.

Disgusting!

Yo, Fox News - don't suck up to The One!

Have some human decency!

1091 Boogberg  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:49:04pm

re: #1009 Thanos

Time for some sleeps, here's a classic dedicated to current Republican congressional leadership for being so out of touch.

No You Don't

Sweet's Desolation Boulevard was one of the first six albums I ever owned (thanks, RCA music club). That band was definitely not bubblegum.

1092 WOHBuckeye  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:51:40pm

This sounds like Republican party elite trying to destroy the outside threat. They saw the crowds, they saw the response, they saw the ratings at the debates. Pure jealousy and vindictive.

1093 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:53:39pm

re: #1075 Racer X

He was my last choice for the nomination.

1094 WestSea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:54:05pm

re: #1087 Spare O'Lake


On the other hand and in a perverse kind of way, to the extent that Palin is the symbol of the Republican religious right, she may have to be purged if the party is to move itself to the centre.

She can just change her views and sound more centrist on the social issues and still succeed. I mean look at Obama, he attended Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, did his 'community organizing stuff' that followed the Sal Alinsky doctrine; worked with William Ayers (the list goes on) and ran a campaign that sounded like he was a centrist. Jindal and Palin will be looked at leaders of the Republican party, but how will they present themselves in four year?

1095 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 9:58:03pm

re: #1094 WestSea

On the other hand and in a perverse kind of way, to the extent that Palin is the symbol of the Republican religious right, she may have to be purged if the party is to move itself to the centre.

She can just change her views and sound more centrist on the social issues and still succeed.

What did she say on the social issues other than making it clear that she made the deliberate choice to give birth to a Down Syndrome baby who she thinks is a perfectly and beautiful baby?

She mostly spoke about energy and reform.

She was an incredibly appealing person all through her campaign.

1096 WestSea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:01:09pm

re: #1095 Adina in Judea

I believe it was the interview with Charlie Gibson when she said that Roe v. Wade should be turned over. She also told a Christian Conservative newspaper that the federal constitution should be amended to outlaw gay marriage. Those are significant statements.

1097 Semi Cartman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:03:07pm

I think that there's about a year that we can spend getting our shit together, maybe examining what it is we have in common that could be the basis of a party or a movement or whatever. Because in two years there is more work to do. This Palin nonsense is still running right on schedule. It will not stop until she is completely ruined as a national figure, if it takes another three years. Little bits at a time, until she's just a joke, an embarassment. Upstarts are not welcome in this system. Neither are conservatives, individuals, or anyone with principles.


"If only he chose Mitt...or Giuliani...or Huckabee, blah blah...Bloomberg"? "Credentials...stature...Ivy League...national standing"... All of this bullshit has to go. The establishment is the problem, this club of our betters that's satisfied with losing, that's happy with the way things are, as long as they get their cut of the swag. It's axiomatic that only a minority is really concerned with freedom. Well, in a country as huge as this, that's still a lot of concern. I'm part of that, and evidently so are a lot of others. There's a lot of work to do.

1098 Cato the Elder  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:05:52pm

Cheney was picked to be vice president so folks would have the feeling that Dubya was at least under adult supervision.

Palin was picked to pander to the theocrats and maybe drag in a few PUMAs. Then they found out she needed adult supervision herself.

The Africa anecdote is a hoot. I find it totally credible. She is one of the dimmest of dim bulbs I've ever seen in politics.

When my sister was in high school, her geography was so advanced she thought France was part of London. But then, I wouldn't pick my sister to be a heartbeat away from the Imperial throne.

Palin was an insult to the lowest common denominator, a rude gesture in the face of the electorate, a big "f*ck you" to the American people.

If it's elitist to expect a national candidate to know more about the world at large than she does about high-school hockey, then I'm an elitist.

And if the Republicans have enough of a death wish to nominate Mrs I-can-see-Russia-from-my-back-window in 2012, then she'll be the ruin of that campaign like she may have been for this one.

McCain lost for a lot of reasons, but I'm certain that Palin was among them.

1099 afdad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #795 Killgore Trout

I think Mitt would have been nice. Rudy might have passed muster. maybe even Lieberman. Possibly Forbes or Bloomberg (for economic credentials) All were serious politicians with serious experience. Palin helped with fundraising and the press payed attention to her but she didn't bring in the votes. I would have voted for McCain myself but Palin was the last straw for me.

So! What you're saying is Sarah Palin's Religious faith was worse to you than the Marxism of Obama. Are you implying that you voted for Opie? Or did you just sit at home holding on to your rubber ball, massaging it lovingly? Are any of those questions correct? If so, then I would suggest you either return to the DIMSocialist party, or if you weren't of the party of McGovern, Carter, Clinton previously, perhaps you'd feel more at home joining their ranks.

Being somewhat Agnostic myself, I've never found anything that someone of faith could do to me that would harm me, nor do something while in a high government position (SCOTUS?). However, having spent part of my youth shooting at, and being shot at by marxist inspired scum, and seeing the cesspool the Fidel wannabe Hugo Chavez is creating in Venezuela, You're DAMN SKIPPY I'll vote for a Fundie any day over a fucking Marxist slime like Opie! The Marxists won't give a shit what Judges say, nor with a compliant legislature will he have any restrictions on many other changes he desires.

Either you've not paid attention to history, or is it possibly you're in favor of some of those changes. Either way, it makes no difference now. Those who voted for Opie, or the bastids who stayed home... All I can hope for is that if the worst of the possible scenarios plays out, they are first in line!

My Son is career military and he's now stuck with following the orders of a CinC who is little different ideologically than the Marxist/Socialist bastids that I killed, and saw kill many of my friends those many years ago. Take a guess how that makes me feel about you, and your comment.

1100 Optimizer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:09:28pm

re: #10 Sol Roth

You do understand this is hearsay evidence from a network that now must ingratiate itself to the Obama Administration for access. Who are the "staffers?" Why not interview them directly?

TFK thinks Campaign Carl is a weasel. I agree.

You know, I did start noticing some odd things in the FOXNews coverage, and one also involved Carl. He gave this bizarre little spiel that suggested that McCain was glad this was over and never really expected (or was it "wanted") to win anyway. Painted him as a tired old man. That seemed very inappropriate, and I have a hard time believing somebody who went through all that in his campaign could be that way.

So now this mean-spirited gossipy crap. They're making it pretty obvious that they want access to the next President, by taking petty swipes at Palin. The Dems really fear her. The fact that they feel thay need to do this is really scary, unless they're doing the elitist a-hole bit.

FOX has quite a mix of people. Some are cool, others are the usual jerks. Geraldo is an excellent example of a total a-hole. He got into this insane rant about how he hates the Republicans because they're racist for wanting to defend the border. Then McCain by association (isn't THAT ironic!?!) Then he starts in how picking Palin hurt McCain's campaign, because Tina Fey made her look silly. They seemed to have no problem with the idea of comedy shows having an influence over who gets chosen as President, BTW.

So let's end this right here. I was just looking at the Real Clear Politics site, and there was a chart of the electoral votes vs time. It was pretty obvious when Gov Palin came on board - McCain pulled up close to even, instead of being 100 EV's behind. The graph stays pretty steady until the financial system imploded. So let's not accept any crap about Sarah Palin losing it for him.

As to Palin's geographical knowledge, I'm always shocked how ignorant most people are about geography. I don't imagine you have to know much about world geography to be a hockey mom, mayor, or Governor of a remote state like Alaska. So maybe it's even true. Whoopty do. Can you imagine being thrust onto the national stage on a moment's notice like she was? She had to have had virtually no expectations that she would even get the call. Then all of a sudden there's a nationwide media blitz trying to drag your name through the mud. It boggles my mind to even think about putting myself in her shoes.

They're already trying to edge her out for next time, but it ain't gonna work.

1101 WestSea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:09:30pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

Sorry, but you sound like all of your knowledge of Sarah Palin has been garnered by what you see on SNL or the MSM. I too tired to educate you on her background right now.

1102 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #1096 WestSea

re: #1095 Adina in Judea

I believe it was the interview with Charlie Gibson when she said that Roe v. Wade should be turned over. She also told a Christian Conservative newspaper that the federal constitution should be amended to outlaw gay marriage. Those are significant statements.

She didn't say this to Charlie Gibson in the interview.

Here's a transcript of the interview - see for yourself.

Palin Takes Hard Line on National Security, Softens Stance on Global Warming

You'll probably be quoted forever as if she had, though.

As for wanting a constitutional ban on gay marriage - you do know what it would take to do such a thing, right? She has an opinion about it, but that's about it. So what?

1103 WestSea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:22pm

re: #1102 Adina in Judea

You'll probably be quoted forever as if she had, though.

What's that supposed to mean. I know I heard her say it - not sure when. What's your problem?

1104 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:34pm

re: #1071 funky chicken
See, here's the thing. The FIRST $700 Billion bailout plan DIDN'T have any pork in it. The wicked witch of the East, Nancy Pelosi, broke congress out of session.
Then behind the scenes DEMS were busy - working with the despicable Henry Paulson, and came up with another $700 Billion bail out plan, laden with pork (none for McCain or Arizona, though) and McCain was forced to choose a pork laden bill (Obama had what, a Million bucks in there for some ceiling in an auditorium?) and absolutely a great depression - one far worse than the one my poor mom lived through in the 1930's (according to - Ta Da - Henry Paulson) so he voted for it.
The Democratic Party MUST be given "credit" for the fact that they have ALWAYS BEEN FOR THEMSELVES FIRST, AMERICAN LAST. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WILL UNANIMOUSLY VOTE DOWN PARTY LINES on bills sponsored by or sought by Bush while Republicans for the most part DON'T VOTE PARTY LINES.

1105 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:13:59pm

Another circular firing squad exersize.
"It was her... NO! it was him!...
It's those corksoakers!

Twas ever thus. Get used to it.
Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.

1106 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:15:15pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

I think your basis for declaring someone a "dim bulb" is pretty flimsy. Your standard is via analysis of alleged public statements. You sound more like a lynch mob than an individual. By this standard, we could lynch a lot of people, including some demonstrably brilliant people. Theoretically, you could be right, but you have no data to indicate that.

1107 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:18:33pm

re: #1086 Intrepid
What?

many fiscal conservatives and those against open borders did not.


So they voted for the least fiscally responsible person to run for President in my lifetime and the man who got something over 60% of the Hispanic Vote instead of voting for McCain?!
Or did they just "Stick it" to McCain while he and we were facing the greatest electoral danger in my lifetime?

1108 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:27pm

re: #1103 WestSea

re: #1102 Adina in Judea

You'll probably be quoted forever as if she had, though.

What's that supposed to mean. I know I heard her say it - not sure when. What's your problem?

Oh, sorry.

It's a topic about people savaging Sarah Palin. I guess I've just had enough of people saying things about her that aren't true (and I'm aware that people read this site to find out new things to use against her and other Republicans.)

I looked up the transcript for the interview you described and what you wrote wasn't true.

If you want to make a claim about what she's said, I would appreciate it if you would provide a link. It's not difficult.

It helps to be able to sort through all this stuff about her.

1109 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:20:59pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

Yet you have no credible evidence to support your crap.

Heh. You're funny.

1110 Hucbald  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:06pm

re: #829 Metal Man

Saw this quote over at Blackfive today and it sums up anyone pointing fingers today.

Fucking A bro. I play classical, but I was a metal head as a kid. There's hope for you yet. LOL!

1111 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:24pm

I think Carl Cameron was the one who broke the Bush/ancient DUI story on the eve of the 2000 election, was it not?

Not even remotely curious about Obama's coke dealer (or any other story about Obama either), of course.

1112 lummox  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:29pm

Sorry for my last post.

Amazon Kindle just didn't send a tingle up my leg.

1113 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:21:34pm

re: #1103 WestSea

What's that supposed to mean. I know I heard her say it - not sure when. What's your problem?

She's talking about the Gibson interview. It doesn't seem to be a problem. So - you say you heard it somewhere else. OK.

1114 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:22:00pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

And if the Republicans have enough of a death wish to nominate Mrs I-can-see-Russia-from-my-back-window in 2012, then she'll be the ruin of that campaign like she may have been for this one.

Tina Fey said this, you idiot.

You do sound like a lynch mob.

1115 gman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:24:04pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

Palin was an insult to the lowest common denominator, a rude gesture in the face of the electorate, a big "f*ck you" to the American people.

and Obama wasn't an insult to the lowest common denominator and a rude gesture in the face of the electorate?
Your argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

1116 gman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:27:02pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

Palin was an insult to the lowest common denominator, a rude gesture in the face of the electorate, a big "f*ck you" to the American people.

and Obama wasn't an insult to the lowest common denominator and a rude gesture in the face of the electorate?
Your argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

1117 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:27pm

re: #1107 realwest

What?


So they voted for the least fiscally responsible person to run for President in my lifetime and the man who got something over 60% of the Hispanic Vote instead of voting for McCain?!
Or did they just "Stick it" to McCain while he and we were facing the greatest electoral danger in my lifetime?

From what it appears, RW, yes, they did decide to "stick it" to McCain. They're evidently royally peeved that he has done his "Maverick" thing and reached so much across the aisle and joined with the Dems over numerous "Spend-a-paloozas", and hasn't stood up for smaller government.

At least, that's what I've read from a number of conservative blogs today. He has been designated a big "RINO", and the fiscal conservatives are not happy with him, nor are the closed-border ones.

And yes, the demographics of this election are mystifying to me, in many ways. He just couldn't garner the support GWB had in the last two elections in many important counties in so many important states. He just didn't get the votes from them that would have put him over the top.

Age? Lack of charisma? No real coherent and practical economic plan? Being in the party of the incumbent? BDS by proxy?

Dunno. It's a mystery to me.

1118 wiffersnapper  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:31:55pm

Try being conservative next time, Republicans!

1119 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:32:42pm

Well as truly amazing and in large part disgusting as this thread was, I must be off to sleep.

But I want to leave with three thoughts: one is expressed in my #1028. The second is that this whole Fox Story was conceived, written and acted out by FOX to make Palin another Dan Quayle but guess what y'all, she isn't. Not by a long shot. After his spelling accident Qualye slipped quietly and gratefully into the dustbins of historical trivia. I think Govenor Palin is made of MUCH STERNER STUFF and will be back and be back SOON and with a vengance, mostly against Obama and the Dems because they are intent on turning America into a damned Banana Republic. And she ain't gonna stand for it. She's a sitting governor with an 80% approval rating STILL in her state of Alaska and she's not going to slip quietly into the dustbins of historical trivia.
And the last is to wish you all a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING AND I hope that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

1120 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:33:53pm

re: #1119 realwest

Goodnight RW

1121 capitalist piglet  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:05pm

Email Governor Palin some words of encouragement here:

[Link: www.gov.state.ak.us...]

I say we take down the traditional media. Fifty-five million voters can do a lot of damage to their bottom line. I've had it.

1122 Optimizer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:34:22pm

re: #1013 JohnAdams

Ding! Ding! Ding!
The National Security Defense Force, which Obama advocated very recently as a force "equally strong as our military" is the single most frightening idea I've heard from a Presidential candidate ever. If Bush had ever proposed such an idea, the left would have started smashing their sippy cups all over the kitchen. Still have not heard one MSM source question the notion. Un. Fucking. Believable.

When I looked for it on the Internet recently, I noticed it was on absolutely NO major news sites, and wasn't even on it's original Chicago Tribune site any more. I was half surprised that Google hadn't erased it from cache. Anyway, the quote probably wouldn't have even been in that story, but the idiot reporter seemed to think Obama was talking about something like the Peace Corp!

The whole thing is really scary.

And now, today, a hard-core marxist, who by definition is against ALL the basic values of this country, starts getting the same Top Secret intelligence briefings the President gets.

Did everybody see that FOXNews clip where the audience spotted the old Soviet Union flag being waved around among Obama's victory celebration crowd? The two announcers seemed genuinely surprised. What planet have they been on!?!

George Sr. saw "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall," as the Soviet Union collapsed. Now George Sr. got to see Mr. Gorbachev elected President of the US, and will hand off the baton to him as everybody does high-fives about his Russian heritage ("diversity", ya know) - metaphorically speaking, of course.

1123 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:36:39pm

re: #1121 capitalist piglet

Email Governor Palin some words of encouragement here:

Did it right after I heard the Fox piece. Encouragement and support.

1124 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:37:41pm

re: #1118 wiffersnapper
Sorry, but I had to come back for this one: over 62 MILLION American Voters decided yesterday to go to the center/left politically. And frankly much more "left" than center, though the media and most of the non-Obama worshippers would have you believe otherwise and you're suggesting that if we had run someone a LOT MORE TO THE RIGHT, that we would have WON this election?
Good night all, I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

1125 sulupo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:38:59pm

I watched the French presidential debates between Segolene Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy a while back. Neither of them had a clue, for one thing, about how much of France's energy came from nuclear power plants (Sarkozy's response came closer, but he was still way off the mark).

I think that the post-election brouhaha over Sarah Palin's knowledge, etc. is but the latest trivializing foil that the MSM is using to distract the public from vastly more important topics such as the Obama campaign finance fraud, or what researcher Stanley Kurtz has termed "Obama's lost years." To name but these. The question should really be : what is this discourse on Palin attempting to hide?

1126 redriver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:40:52pm

Palin has more top security clearances than the two Democraps that were just elected. Wise up nubiles!

This isn't the first time Johnny boy has dumped a woman after he used her up.

McCain is just in CYA mode as he goes back to sucking up crumbs from his wishy washy lifestyle. And Bill O knows he's a suck up and is just acting in character now that he has to work with the Dems.

MCCain is not a Rebublican with a voting record of a Democrat! You are not a Republican if you thought he was. George Bush wasn't a Republican either. That's why the real GOP stayed home on Tuesday night while the rest of the red country voted simply to keep Big O out. That is not a game plan for winners. Its a game plan for whiners.

Going to take a lot more work than this to get it back. You up for it?

1127 gman  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:50pm

re: #1124 realwest

Sorry, but I had to come back for this one: over 62 MILLION American Voters decided yesterday to go to the center/left politically. And frankly much more "left" than center, though the media and most of the non-Obama worshippers would have you believe otherwise and you're suggesting that if we had run someone a LOT MORE TO THE RIGHT, that we would have WON this election?
Good night all, I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

I'm with you. I want to know how going far right would have won more swing votes.

1128 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:41:52pm

re: #1125 sulupo

I think that the post-election brouhaha over Sarah Palin's knowledge, etc. is but the latest trivializing foil that the MSM is using to distract the public from vastly more important topics such as the Obama campaign finance fraud, or what researcher Stanley Kurtz has termed "Obama's lost years." To name but these. The question should really be : what is this discourse on Palin attempting to hide?

Absolutely!

The White House was just bought with money that was illegally obtained (hundreds of millions of dollars worth) and the MSM is wondering if Sarah Palin wore a bathrobe when she opened a door in her hotel room?

1129 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:43:08pm

re: #1124 realwest

you're suggesting that if we had run someone a LOT MORE TO THE RIGHT, that we would have WON this election?

Well, I think about 5 million Republicans sat out this election. Just and unprofessional guess, but look at the total vote count. Way down. With a Reaganesque ticket, maybe so. It's all in the leadership. People can be shown the way. This time, though, nobody showed them much. Republicans have been relatively silent in the face of relentless and ridiculous propaganda from the left.

1130 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:44:44pm

Excuse me, Mr. Cato, if you believe that Palin was as ignorant as an anonymous (and no doubt) bitter staffer claims then you are welcome to prove it. Just remember- Kerry claimed he got drunk before he took a test that Bush aced and he didn't. The Faux-messiah can't speak a g-d- word of French but feels free to attack other Americans who are limited linguistically. Biden, the bloody genius that he is, told a crippled man to get up and walk (Jesus did that, too, but only Jesus could pull it off). I doubt that Palin couldn't find Canada on the map given that it is next to Alaska (the freak state or eleventh province, depending on where you live). I wouldn't be surprised if either Obama or Biden declared Canada an enemy planet.
As for Palin's social conservatism, so what? Is it worse than Obama's grotesque comfort with infanticide or coddling of tyrants? Give me a social conservative any day!

1131 realwest  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:01pm

re: #1128 Adina in Judea
Yup, sorta what I was getting at in my #1028 - and you said it very, very well!
Now I have GOT TO GO TO SLEEP!
I do hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!
Good night, all.

1132 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:45:39pm

re: #1126 redriver

Going to take a lot more work than this to get it back. You up for it?

Sure. Hey - which side of the river are you on?

1133 Adina in Judea  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:47:05pm

re: #1131 realwest

Thanks, realwest!

1134 redriver  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 10:56:36pm

re: #1132 legalpad

the far right side of course.

1135 legalpad  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:01:59pm

re: #1134 redriver

the far right side of course.

lol - Are you in Texas, Oklahoma, or somewhere else?

1136 Optimizer  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:12:09pm

re: #1124 realwest

Sorry, but I had to come back for this one: over 62 MILLION American Voters decided yesterday to go to the center/left politically. And frankly much more "left" than center, though the media and most of the non-Obama worshippers would have you believe otherwise and you're suggesting that if we had run someone a LOT MORE TO THE RIGHT, that we would have WON this election?
Good night all, I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.


That's an excellent observation, but - fortunately - it has a problem. Namely, I don't think the people supporting him really have a clue who he is, politically. They're drinking the Hope/Change Kool-Aid. When you give people info on what he's really about, they simply choose not to believe you, even when it's actual video and sound bites and written text from The One, himself! They're all hyped up about "the first black President" (even though he's biracial), and have this dream that his ascendence will magically eliminate all racial problems we might still have (which didn't really amount to much, anyway - unless you want to talk about so-called "reverse" descrimination). As though racial issues were the most pressing concern of our time.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard the phrase, "I never thought I would see a black President in my lifetime" today, but it's absurd. We've had a black damn-near-everything at this point, so why not a President as well? I fully expected to see one in MY lifetime. It's apparently part of that "the white man is holding us down" crap like Rev Wright makes millions peddling to these people.

In CONTRAST, I NEVER thought I'd live to see a hard-core marxist elected President. But I would have liked to have taken a pass on that one.

1137 Wendya  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:24:21pm

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

She is one of the dimmest of dim bulbs I've ever seen in politics.

I'm guessing you voted for Obama.

1138 Joan  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:30:00pm

re: #1048 ErislDysnomia

Oh, cr*p that should have been NCC-1701 J.

hee hee
geek! (Your point got through, you just couldn't risk being found out in a reallly important Trekpoint, I understand totally...)

1139 poopeedoo  Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:42:00pm

Amazing... Did McCain's "staffers" suffer from a severe case of sour grapes or did this Carl guy decide to stir the pot and make this up? If you haven't already done so, email Fox News and tell them what you think. yourcomments@foxnews.com

I hope it's ok to put the linkie, since it is directly related to this article.

It makes me so mad! }:-[

1140 John-SA  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:21:00am

These claims by "unnamed staffers" don't have the ring of truth.

It sounds like a case of campaign advisers, unable to accept their own share of the blame for a losing campaign, needing to make up something to preserve their own careers for future campaigns.

Smears by "unnamed staffers" who don't even have the guts to identify themselves should be dismissed out of hand.

While Sarah Palin did have a couple of cringe-moments, which candidate on either ticket didn't?

Obama - didn't know how many States are in the Union.
Biden - said if his ticket won, an international crisis was inevitable.
McCain - told the people there was nothing to fear if they elected his opponent.

(It looks like the people agreed with McCain's statement above rather than Biden's)

1141 jordash1212  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:36:14am

She lost McCain the election. She shouldn't have to worry or be sorry. I think she was mistreated by the MSM, but she just was not the right pick for VP.

1142 infidel4ever  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:40:16am

My sympathies on the outcome of the election, guys.

Most of Europe is happy, though. "Now America's days of playing power games are over!" Whoopee! Let's see how happy they are when comrade Putin decides he can do whatever he likes with a whuz in the White House. The next four years are going to be very educational, and not only for American moonbats.

There are plenty of teachers on this blog. In which grade do American kids get geography lessons about Africa? Second? Third? Did Sarah Palin stay home that year? "She did not know Africa was a continent." Good grief. What is this nonsense, the first efforts of blunting Sarah's chances as competition for the Zero in 2012?

Instead of reporting this rubbish Fox would do beter to investigate where Husseins illegal campaign donations came from. Somehow I get the feeling that trail will lead to the Middle East...

1143 jordash1212  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:40:40am

Carl Cameron definitely shouldn't have used the expression "he wasn't happy with how they were 'nailing' her."

1144 Zim  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:44:33am

Fox News is part of the drive by media

1145 hazzyday  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:07:15am

re: #299 Cognito

I've said consistently "if it's true."

I suspect we'll know whether it's true momentarily, when someone asks her if it is. The manner of her response will tell.

Look, I like Sarah Palin. I think she's cool, and I'd love to sit and talk with her. But I don't want to find out in four or eight years that she's not up to the task.


Measure her leadership skills not her skirt.

1146 hazzyday  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:08:13am

re: #1141 jordash1212

She lost McCain the election. She shouldn't have to worry or be sorry. I think she was mistreated by the MSM, but she just was not the right pick for VP.

There wasn't a better pick. She was bad because of the sexism and hate generated against her?

1147 hazzyday  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:10:24am

re: #1126 redriver

Palin has more top security clearances than the two Democraps that were just elected. Wise up nubiles!

This isn't the first time Johnny boy has dumped a woman after he used her up.

McCain is just in CYA mode as he goes back to sucking up crumbs from his wishy washy lifestyle. And Bill O knows he's a suck up and is just acting in character now that he has to work with the Dems.

MCCain is not a Rebublican with a voting record of a Democrat! You are not a Republican if you thought he was. George Bush wasn't a Republican either. That's why the real GOP stayed home on Tuesday night while the rest of the red country voted simply to keep Big O out. That is not a game plan for winners. Its a game plan for whiners.

Going to take a lot more work than this to get it back. You up for it?

I doubt you will ever get what you want in politics.

1148 hazzyday  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:19:52am

re: #1098 Cato the Elder

Why even bother posting "Cato the Elder" unless you just want to be fodder for being made fun of? When we think what's wrong? We can certainly point to you as a prime example.

1149 y0kkles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:18:20am

Sounds to me like they are trying to take the blame off of themselves. Come on. She is stupid, throws temper tantrums, and is a prissy shopper? Give me a break. We lost because McCain wasn't hard hitting enough, and because the media, Hollywood, and the university are all run by liberals, and they are succeeding in making people liberals.

1150 soxfan4life  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:30:17am

re: #42 silentsid

McCain had his shot and failed. Palin is the future of conservatism. It would be wise for his camp to treat her with the respect she deserves. If it wasn't for her, Obama's win would have been much greater.

Hopefully if she runs in 2012 she doesn't hire anyone from his camp, talk about waving the white flag of surrender. The race would be over before it started.

1151 vladdrac  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:05:31am

I can't believe most on this blog of are defending Palin. Sure, the press deserves scorn for they way they treated her relative to the other side, but her performance was indefensible. The media tries to make fools of all republicans; however, the ones we want leading us turn the tables on them. Katie Couric and a couple of canadian Jerky Boy wannabee losers made Palin look like an idiot. Again, its not because the press are biased hacks (which is true), it's because Palin was way out her league.

When the dust settles, if republicans pin their 2012 hopes on her, forget about it. She is a brilliant politician and would make a great US senator, but she is way too naive about matters of state and geopolitics to be president; and a subscription to the Financial Times, a backpacking tour across Europe, or tutoring sessions with Kissinger and Eagleburger aren't going to remedy the deficiency. (And I say this nevertheless assuming those statements about Africa and North America are lies).

The south is getting smaller (Virginia is becoming a NE state) and California is becoming bigger (SF and LA liberals are moving to Colorado and Nevada). Republicans need to nominate candidates like Romney in the future or they can get used to seeing a lot of blue.

1152 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:53am

re: #907 JacksonTn

So what if she answered a door in a bathrobe or a towel ...If a man did the same thing I doubt anyone would have said anything ...the sexism in this election has been disgusting ...

JacksonTn -

I could actually see her in that situation coming up with a "...I've got nothing to hide..." quip like Sir Winston did to FDR while staying at the White House and using the bathing facilities.

-S-

1153 deanyc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:33am

re: #467 funky chicken

We are of similar political affiliation, Mr. Chicken. Let's not tear each other down. I voted for McCain, grudgingly. For years I've watched the GOP squander its majority power, wasting an opportunity to confirm hundreds of judges to circuit courts, for example, because stalwarts like McCain frustrated the effort in the spirit of bipartisanship. I can only hope that the Democrats, now with their hands on all levers of power, will be so accommodating. It gives me no pleasure to see McCain back in the Senate during this tilt to the left. By the way, I'm not a pure conservative. Nor am I positive, as you seem to be, that the leaks savaging Ms. Palin are, in fact, rumors emanating from bitter Romney people. Aren't you engaging in the same type of smears with your assertions?

1154 FlakMusic  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:11am

re: #36 starfox5253

This makes me ill... She's the best thing the GOP has going for it right now, and she's the reason it wasn't a TOTAL blowout... you'd think they'd show a little respect. Jerks.

This is truly vile. Palin was a team player who gave herself fully to the effort, in spite of the way she and her family were attacked by a completely shameless and biased media. Democrats in her home state turned on her in order to serve their party (not their state or their country) by smearing her with their bogus troopergate investigation.

What more could you ask of the woman? The was the best thing about the McCain campaign...and this crap sounds like nothing more than a scapegoating effort on the part of McCain loyalists who aren't inclined to fault the top of the ticket or those who advised him.

Screw them. Whatever Palin's faults, there's no doubt in my mind that she was the most trustworthy and the strongest defender of liberty and economic growth of all the four headlining candidates.

I hope she goes back to Alaska, settles some scores there, and then paints a target on the phony, country club, big government Republicans who pissed away their congressional majorities and drove the party off a cliff...resulting in the election of this smooth-talking, neo-marxist Obama.

What a classless end to the McCain story.

1155 TMF  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:36am

THe left was going to hate her no matter what

With that said- McCain needed independents to win the election, and I personally know at least 4 moderate Dems who were going to vote for McCain until they heard her interviews. MInd you- not the trig crap- it was the interviews that turned them. She did herself no favors in those interviews.

Is it too much to ask of anyone to jump into the national scene and give "gotcha" loaded, biased interviews to the partisan press? Sure. But you have to perform. She didnt. SHe came off as way out of her league. She really did, and Im inclined to like her. Watch the interviews.

Amongst blue state moderates, she was a huge drag and probably did lose the election for McCain, at least contributed to it. If we nominate her in 2012 we will lose. I guarantee it.

1156 RedVoter  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:11am

re: #478 Alouette

Romney is just another boring white man and unless Obama really fucks up Jimmy Carter style the GOP will have no chance with Romney.

Though I tend to agree, it really depends on what state our nation is in. If we are in the same shape we were in 1980 with a near economic collapse and foreign policy crisis, Romney would have a shot. And he does have great hair.

1157 RedVoter  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:03am

re: #1155 TMF

THe left was going to hate her no matter what

With that said- McCain needed independents to win the election, and I personally know at least 4 moderate Dems who were going to vote for McCain until they heard her interviews. MInd you- not the trig crap- it was the interviews that turned them. She did herself no favors in those interviews.

Is it too much to ask of anyone to jump into the national scene and give "gotcha" loaded, biased interviews to the partisan press? Sure. But you have to perform. She didnt. SHe came off as way out of her league. She really did, and Im inclined to like her. Watch the interviews.

Amongst blue state moderates, she was a huge drag and probably did lose the election for McCain, at least contributed to it. If we nominate her in 2012 we will lose. I guarantee it.

Yeah those interviews hurt. People I think were willing to give her a pass on the Gibson interview because he came across as so condescending but the Couric interview, even with idiot questions like "what do you read?", she should have cruised through that one. She just look stilted and out of her element.

Couric - "I gotcha"

Palin - "You Betcha"

1158 Freods  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:29am

McCain was this year's Bob Dole. He went thru the motions while his staff undercut the only person in America who believed he wanted to be prez. Now, of course, everything is Palin's fault. Look. Politically, McCain was a disaster. He was OLD. He looked like a cadaver next to Obama. He looked lilke a cadaver next to Palin. Palin threatened virtually all the insiders who ran McCain's campaign. The women hated her because of her looks and her body after 5 kids. The men hated her because she connected with the people while they had their time honored way of doing stuff. Just because their way didnt work and Palin's did was no reason to dump the old way in their "educated" opinion. Elitists will always destroy the populists. Populism threatens their insider status. Whether they win or lose is not important. Whether they get that important dinner invitation is what counts. And no one who is anyone was going to invite Palin to dinner in DC.

1159 mpax  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:53:55am

I can't believe the Africa thing. No one who has teachers for parents and kids who've studied basic geography in grade school can be unaware that Africa is a continent. That would be like not knowing how many states there are.

1160 wintercat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:40am

This may be a dead thread by now. Somehow I always seem to come in at the tail end of discussions. Anyway, I am disgusted with the complete lack of professionalism of the McCain staffers who "leaked" (if there is any truth in this) this stuff. It is petty as can be. Palin set the Republican ticket on fire. It was a dried up flat tire before she was brought in. This kind of stuff will destroy any chance of a Palin ticket in the future and so the Republicans can kiss 2012 goodbye right now.

As an Independent, I vote the person and not the party. However, in the last few elections I have had to vote against the Democrats but I assure you, I haven't voted for the Republicans even though I have filled in the little circle next to the Republican name. I am about a hair away from turning to the Libertarian candidate from now on. Republicans can't get out of their own way. If this keeps up, they will be the ones I vote against in the future.

Oh, and another thing. John McCain threw Palin into this in order to boost his dead campaign. He needs to stop this crap coming out of his camp immediately.

1161 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:34am

I think it's fairly obvious that those who have so sagaciously come here and declared Palin unqualified since post # 1000 have obviously not read the thread, or they would be using such a double standard. Your oh-so-certain remarks have already been roundly refuted.

1162 wintercat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:55:41am

re: #1021 DesertSage

One thousand dings up.

1163 wintercat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:02:24am

re: #1161 legalpad

Is this directed at anyone in particular or just a general comment?

1164 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:46am

Let's try and look at this with some balanced hindsight:

*Old establishment guy vs. Energetic charismatic young guy = Advantage to young guy. Bill Clinton definitely had this advantage against Bush Sr.

*8 years of one party rule usually leads to a new party coming in (a.k.a. the laundry rule). Only recent exception is Bush Sr. after Reagan (and almost Gore after Clinton).

*Recession is a sledgehammer to the incumbent party. Bush Sr. was whisked away from power due to the recession even though he led the military to a decisive victory in Iraq. The current economic collapse helped tip the scales.

1165 Colonel1961  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:25:43am

Notice that frosty reception between the Ice Princess and Sarah? 'Wasilla Hillbillies' sounds like a Cindy-Lou Who comment to me...

1166 Emery Calame  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:38:10am

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Wait a second. If the MSM had inside information on Biden, you would all be screaming if you found out that they had sat on that info.

This is not anyones fault but the McCain campaign. If Palin was a bad choice, or there were internal problems, then it was their fault.

Let's not start acting like the Dems and blaming the messenger.

The press had lots of damaging NON-INSIDER info on Biden(such as his being fantastically wrong about nearly everything he said with confidence in the debate) and for the most part they buried that stuff on page 28 under a tire-sale add or ignored it. Then they fussed loudly about how much the RNC spent on her duds for her public debut at the convention.

Palin wasn't the bad choice. She was about the only thing good about the campaign which is why the attcks were centered on her. McCain was the bad choice.

1167 Daisy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:45:07am

Palin was the best thing to have happened to McCain. As a New Yorker, I'd considered not voting for him until she came on board.

It's newsworthy that she lost her temper during the campaign? Wow! Bill Clinton raped how many women and on at least one occasion physically assaulted Dick Morris; Hillary screamed profanities at Bill and others until her veins popped - and what did we hear? Crickets chirping.

1168 olivia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:56:27am

the value of McCain's campaign had 2 parts-
1) watching from the start (early events on cspan- preprimaries/primaries) and seeing the love/appreciation/affirmation in the faces/voices/handshakes/pats on the back/hugs for a Vietnam veteran, from a Vietnam veteran to the voters at his events was a benediction. history has put the veteran and his war together- by popular outcry and popular vote- but America had that one last tour, one last reunion for people who did the fighting- and at the end the voice of the eulogy was of course-
2) Palin!

1169 Tango Whiskey  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:56:59am

Sarah Palin is a strong woman, and smart. My wife is a retired teacher who could call a child’s (test measured) IQ within 2-3 points by talking to him/her. She watched Palin’s interview with Charlie Gibson and said Sarah had a significantly higher IQ that Gibson (she gave a number , but I won’t repeat it). Regarding Sarah’s interview with that creature they call Couric, I’ll just agree with what Sarah said, roughly paraphrased: “I don’t think she had the same sort of journalistic ethics course that I took.” The “handlers” blew that one big time. Someone should have been hung out to dry. Sarah doesn’t know the three countries of North America? Give me a break! “Palling around with terrorists.” The record indicates quite clearly that he was!
So what is the problem here? As I see it, you have a woman is charismatic, strong, a probably is as much a natural politician as Burns was a natural poet. She probably knew that the advice she was getting was ridiculous and that the campaign was headed in the wrong direction. She probably couldn’t get through to the dunderheads that they were doing it all wrong. Now that it is all over , the rats are running for cover , trying to find some way to survive.
After Palin came on board, I donated to the Republican party for the first time this cycle. If they want more of my money and support in the future, they better get rid of those rats, and give Palin a leadership role and strong support. There are some rough times ahead to try to fight these corrupt Chicago monsters and remove them from OUR White House. They lied to get there and many people will soon see it. To fight them, strength, as well as clarity of philosophy and message will be needed. For me, the benefit of the doubt is with Sarah. McCain’s people should slink off in their disgrace and shut up!

1170 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:03:31am
1171 TexasPatriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:12:48am

The media is scared to death of Sarah Palin because they know she is a true conservative and is not afraid to stand up and defend what she believes in. That is why they have declared war on her.

1172 right Brain  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:28:43am

re: #1169 Tango Whiskey

The ability to assess someone's IQ by listening to them? Sounds far-fetched.

To quote Forrest Gump, "stupid is as stupid does," Gov. Palin's interview with Couric destroyed John McCain's chances for the presidency, along with a tanking economy of course, but especially his bizarre choice for a VP. Not that Obama's choice was much better, its just the American people are more used to Biden's oafishness and not worried about him.

According to Fox reporting Palin refused to be coached prior to Couric's interview, a report I tend to believe; how was it possible that she was so ignorant and unexpecting of the questions that she would be asked? Or thought that Africa was a country and not a continent? Now we're back into the third grade: especially it demonstrates a lack of curiosity of the world and a lack of spatial orientation, features of a person with a low IQ.

1173 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:31:58am

re: #1163 wintercat

Is this directed at anyone in particular or just a general comment?

Well- I jumped on briefly and spotted #1151 vladdrac, posted this morning. And their were a couple of others since I logged off last night, but these were mostly regarding how she effected the ticket and performed generally, in their opinion rather than addressing these items about McCain staff claims.

Oh - I left out a "not" regarding using double standards. I was rushing off on an errand.

However - I think we have at least 2 types of negative remarks here. First, regarding McCain staffers; second, the ticket, performance, etc.

The first really some come here to try to piss some of us off and run, like Cato's #1098: simple insults, no substance.

The second, perhaps reasonably venturing their opinion, but I think they, like many perfectly sincere people don't fully understand the view of those who support Palin. For example, one person said that she was "out of her league." Here's the thing: We don't like their "league". And further: We don't trust their league. We don't think they are qualified. This idea that our leaders must be clever by Hollywood social standards is simply not valid. And several posters have thoroughly addressed this. It doesn't mean that we want our leaders to be inarticulate. It means that we want them to NOT be part of a group who consider themselves a superior caste, which consistently replaces simple practical intelligence and principles with some frankly irrelevant talent.

1174 wintercat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:37:59am
Now we're back into the third grade: especially it demonstrates a lack of curiosity of the world and a lack of spatial orientation, features of a person with a low IQ.

So does the penchant to so readily believe in petty gossip.

1175 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:39:34am

re: #1172 right Brain

Again - you haven't read the thread. This has all been thoroughly addressed.

1176 granite eagle  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:53:42am

He said - She said journalism.


No digging, no confirmations, nothing to support this...

Rumors..

And from the Mouth of the big o...we've been to what 57...58 states... (/crickets)

1177 granite eagle  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 7:58:05am

re: #1171 TexasPatriot

The media is scared to death of Sarah Palin because they know she is a true conservative and is not afraid to stand up and defend what she believes in. That is why they have declared war on her.

And Reagan...
And Newt...
And Rush...
And Levin...
And freedom of speech...
And freedom from government intervention...

The list is simply too long...

1178 WestSea  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 8:36:06am

re: #1160 wintercat

Anyway, I am disgusted with the complete lack of professionalism of the McCain staffers who "leaked" (if there is any truth in this) this stuff. It is petty as can be.

I don't agree. If there was any truth to it (her not knowing the countries that make up NAFTA), it should have been leaked, because someone running for VP (heartbeat away), should know that, and we should be aware of it. However to leak it now is petty, and the libs are just going to keep shoving it in our faces for the next four years.

1179 sammi  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 8:44:37am

re: #34 Cognito

I too am disturbed, and find the defenses of Palin elsewhere on this thread to be misguided. Carl Cameron is very careful, and it is unlikely that someone detailed the Palin ignorance with that much detail is simply inventing them.
Here are the conclusions I think you should draw: there is something terrible about our system of education when geography, how government works, how to think about economics, and the history of conflict are either not taught in the schools or are badly skewed. You can't have a democracy when the electorate is uninformed. And the local control of the school system is partly to blame, as it facilitates provincial attitudes, even reactionary ones.
O'Reilly's dismissing of Palin's flaws as correctible is appalling. McCain messed up, in this as in other respects.

1180 CharlieBravo  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:05:14am

So, which is it?

1. Is Palin a dim bulb on the political tree.

or

2. Is this a political hatchet job intended to relegate her to the far/dim side of the political tree in the future?

We have a 'free press', not an 'honest press'.

1181 Ty85719  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:07:24am

I haven't seen any evidence of these purported gaffes.

However, I am more intrigued by the fact that Fox would spend so much money to send a reporter and crew to Arizona in order to report in front of a Saguaro

1182 Salem  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:30:05am

Time will tell if Palin has a promising political career ahead of her. Maybe she'll think better of pursuing one. If people are going to agitate and obsess over her either way, she might as well stay in. But if she drops into obscurity after Tuesday, at least it was refreshing to see such a traditional, model, naturally cheerful, un-perverted all-American specimen of humanity given a shot at taking the reigns, particularly when you look at the oily, cynical, misshapen Washington-insider toads we usually have to choose from. Savor it, because it may never happen again.

That said, my support of her in the future hinges to a large degree in her attitude on social issues. If she shows an inclination toward pushing things like I.D., I will have to conclude that she really is just stupid and unworthy of leadership, like all the other politicians that espouse such drivel.

1183 firedupengineer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:30:26am

Rush is all over this (McCain Staffers Savaging Sarah) today.

A blatant attack on conservatism by the beltway blue Republicans...

1184 vladdrac  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 10:36:08am

re: #1173 legalpad

re: #1173 legalpad

Here's the thing: We don't like their "league". And further: We don't trust their league. We don't think they are qualified. This idea that our leaders must be clever by Hollywood social standards is simply not valid. And several posters have thoroughly addressed this. It doesn't mean that we want our leaders to be inarticulate. It means that we want them to NOT be part of a group who consider themselves a superior caste, which consistently replaces simple practical intelligence and principles with some frankly irrelevant talent.


When I used the term 'league', I did not mean elites, i meant the league of people who are qualified to be president. Just because the democrats nominated someone who is not in this league, it doesn't mean the republicans are allowed to have the same type of VP.

She is a star in the republican party, but lets face it, there are only a select few with the 'right stuff' to be president.

Is it it elitist to ask that a P or VP candidate to be able to talk comfortably and intelligibly about issues such as the supreme court, foreign policy, or economics. I have not seen her do that. This 'relevant' skill, which all of the original republican candidates had (with the exception of Paul and Keyes), is not something that one can simply learn, it takes a genuine interest in these issues, which she has shown no proof of having.

Yes, we want our leaders to be able to relate with the middle class, but it doesn't mean average Joe or Jane can be president. I mean, we all love Joe the plumber, but we would not want him as our president.

1185 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:00:46am

I'm just going to repeat some of the points from earlier in the thread. I may have to use more than one post. It's important. I'll preface them with a summary:

1. A double standard is being used. Forget Democrats; I'm talking about Republicans. Like, oh, nobody ever makes mistakes of that nature. Right. Just almost everyone you nominate/elect. These mistakes are no more a measure of Palin's intelligence than it is of any of the many who have said &/or believed equally crazy things. (Jimmy Carter - UFO, etc.) And this is accepting, for arguments sake, that she even said some of these things. You have absolutely no basis for a negative evaluation on these standards.

2. There is an assumption that we want a "cool", "with it", candidate who the world of TV professionals approve of. The "not ready for prime time" idea. No we don't. We don't trust them, and for very good reason. They are liars who see themselves as the Aristocracy in a pre-America world. And in the area of this kind of performance, they apply a double standard also. Can you say "editing"?

3. There are some that think the election means that we should be more like the people who defeated us. Not at all. History does not show us that. McCain lost. All by himself, because millions of Republican would not vote for him because they felt it would be to surrender their party to the left. If we give "Democrat Lite" our stamp of approval, when will we ever have a conservative Republican Party again? We wouldn't. They would think, "OK, then this is what they want." Republicans have not been leading or teaching, they have been following. Reagan led.

Now repeats, none of which you naysayers have addressed.

- Excuse me, Mr. Cato, if you believe that Palin was as ignorant as an anonymous (and no doubt) bitter staffer claims then you are welcome to prove it. Just remember- Kerry claimed he got drunk before he took a test that Bush aced and he didn't. The Faux-messiah can't speak a g-d- word of French but feels free to attack other Americans who are limited linguistically. Biden, the bloody genius that he is, told a crippled man to get up and walk (Jesus did that, too, but only Jesus could pull it off). I doubt that Palin couldn't find Canada on the map given that it is next to Alaska (the freak state or eleventh province, depending on where you live). I wouldn't be surprised if either Obama or Biden declared Canada an enemy planet.
As for Palin's social conservatism, so what? Is it worse than Obama's grotesque comfort with infanticide or coddling of tyrants? Give me a social conservative any day!

Our founding fathers did not intend for you to be the worlds most knowledgeable person in the world, have a law degree from Harvard and know all the right people to be in Congress or President.

They intended for JOE THE PLUMBER to step up and be president or serve in Congress and then when his term was done to go the hell home and go back to plumbing.
Career politicians and the corrupt ideas that you have to have 'EXPERIENCE' to be in our government is our downfall.
You and I can do MUCH better jobs than ANY of those assholes in Washington can do.

Dumbass elitists are the ones that take a 3 page Bill that was a good idea for legislation and turn it into a 15,000 page document full of crap on a regular basis.

If we had our current politicians writing the constitution it would be about 4 times longer than the tax code, and no one would even be able to read it to find out what their rights really were...

- I think your basis for declaring someone a "dim bulb" is pretty flimsy. Your standard is via analysis of alleged public statements. You sound more like a lynch mob than an individual. By this standard, we could lynch a lot of people, including some demonstrably brilliant people. Theoretically, you could be right, but you have no data to indicate that.

More on next post

1186 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:01:50am

More-
QUIZ FOR OBAMA
1. How many states are there?
2. Are you on the Senate Banking Committee?
3. How many bombs hit Pear Harbor?
a. One
b. Two
c. More than two.
4. If you are elected President, how many years will you serve?
a. 8 to 10
b. 4 to 8
c. 2 to 6
5. True or False.
China's ports, train system and airports are vastly superior to the United States'?
6. Which army liberated Auschwitz?
7. What is the role of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
8. Which countries have UNSC veto power?
9. Bill Ayers is
a. an unrepentant terrorist
b. my friend.
c. a. & b.
10. Who has publicly admitted that you cause their leg to tingle?
A. Chris Matthews
B. Bernadine Dorn
C. Larry Craig
D. Barbara Walters
F. Scarlett Johansson
11. Who have you NOT thrown under the bus?
Rev. Wright
Your White Grandmother
Federico Fellini
12. Eau Claire is a
A. State
B. City

13. Who lied about his vote on infanticide
A. Me
B. Sideshow Mel.

14. For the first time in her life, your wife was proud to be an American when
A. She had a chance of becoming First Lady.
B. She was never really proud till last night. Now she's insufferable.

-On the topic: I think the media, including Fox, does not notice that they use a double standard when dealing with Governor Palin. A man, especially a democrat, making a slip of the tongue, or saying something stupid gets a complete pass. "Oh, that's not what you meant, is it?" The exactitude of such data as "Palin doesn't know whether Africa is a continent, etc" is quite relevant. And, by the way, women have the right to react differently than men to stress, and it doesn't make them one wit less competent. I am damn glad they are as exactly as different as they are. I would much rather have Sarah Palin with her finger on the nuclear button than Joe Biden, or for that matter, Matt Damon. The nasty condescension of lesser beings does not erase the fact that they are using an extreme double standard.

1187 Sabnen  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:13:08am

What a disgusting hit piece! One minute and twenty seconds in "Carl Cameron" starts in on 'gaps in her knowledge.'

This, folks, is right out of the liberal playbook where all Republicans are too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Disgusting and not newsworthy. National Enquirer is looking good compared to this FOX 'reporting.' This is more like 'making news' and not reporting it. Unworthy.

1188 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:03am

re: #1184 vladdrac

I understand what you meant about "league". The idea that you are promoting is OK, but there are two things I would say about your application of it to Sarah Palin.

1. There is simply not enough real information to make this assessment. There hasn't been enough time even since she was nominated. We're giving her an IQ test, in effect, based on a few press releases, and some dubious. At this point, there is no need to hurry such an evaluation. Which person running for office in either party in the last 40 years has not ever said weird shit? This is just not a basis for evaluation.

2. There is some question about what is and what is not "the right stuff". Some prefer simple practical intelligence - which is indisputable in her case- she's running a state - and honesty - and principles - principles that preclude selling out to the left to some ethereal nuanceing and talking cool to lying gangsters like Putin.

Listen - I'm open to correction here. Give me a good example of some leaders with "the right stuff", past or present.

1189 Sam8  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:38:46am

Sarah Palin is the only reason the race was close. I didn't like McCain, I just disliked Obama a lot more. When he added Palin I felt motivated to vote for him. There are many moms out here who say "I am Sarah" just like taxpayers who said "I am Joe."

This behavior just proves that if McCain had won he would have immediately gotten under my skin. He's the first to shush his supporters for making criticisms of Obama, but lets this nonsense go unchecked. He used Palin to fire up the base, but as we've seen all along he doesn't like the base, including Palin.

Good riddance to bad rubbage.

Let Obama screw up and then bring in a republican that lives by his/her principles and not by bipartisanship.

1190 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:51:31am

I liked Sarah Palin for about 3 days, and then saw the train wreck coming. She was a pick for the base, which Mack had lost due to McCain/Feingold, illegal immigration, etc.

I hope the GOP gets it, and sends Sarah away forever. While she may hold some conservative values, she is clearly poorly educated, and WAY out of her league on the national stage. Instead of a bimbo, we need a young version of Jean Kirkpatrick or Maggie Thatcher. The young people of today are smart and should be listened to. I didn't meet a single person under 30 that was comfortable with Sarah Palin's perceived intellect.

1191 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:58:16am

Jesus... reality check: Election is over.

This is relevant how when the stock market has now had it's largest post-election slide in history because the President-elect has announced punitive new taxes on stock holders?

I know that the Media hated Palin, but this borders on an Onion production.

1192 vladdrac  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:58:41am

re: #1188 legalpad

Okay, you're right, most of our leaders have not had the right stuff, which is one the reasons our country is in the shape its in. I shouldn't have used that phrase.

However, what I would like to see in a candidate is some sort of proof that he or she has an interest in economics and foreign affairs. Every President or VP (good and bad) in at least the last 50 years, has had this. Almost every pres. candidate in the primaries had it.

Let's take Mike Huckabee for example. I didn't vote for him, but I liked the way he talked about tax policy, and when he spoke the Middle East, it sounded like someone who had thought about the situation for a significant time as opposed to someone repeating talking points. Remember, the press and washington elites tried to make Huckabee look like an idiot, but unlike Palin, he did not let them succeed.

Even Obama, if you look at his writing, it shows that he has knowledge of these issues (the conclusions he draws are another matter).

As for Palin, there's no writings, speeches, or anything on major economic issues or international relations. She has proved that she is an intelligent person, but has not proved to have basic knowledge of many aspects of domestic and int policy.
And concerning the gaffes. She didn't make any, because she sometimes could not answer a basic question (regardless of nbc's editing) In her case, she could not name a supreme court case other than R v W. She could not say anything comprehendable about Alaska's relationship with Russia. She couldn't name a newspaper, and she couldn't recognize an obvious fake French accent. Very embarrassing.

1193 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:15:09pm

re: #1190 strangelove

I liked Sarah Palin for about 3 days, and then saw the train wreck coming. She was a pick for the base, which Mack had lost due to McCain/Feingold, illegal immigration, etc.

I hope the GOP gets it, and sends Sarah away forever. While she may hold some conservative values, she is clearly poorly educated, and WAY out of her league on the national stage. Instead of a bimbo, we need a young version of Jean Kirkpatrick or Maggie Thatcher. The young people of today are smart and should be listened to. I didn't meet a single person under 30 that was comfortable with Sarah Palin's perceived intellect.

As long as your assessment of someone's intelligence/education is based on limited and edited exposure in the media for some 2 months, your support for candidates will be what the media wants it to be, as is the case with most people under 30.

There can be no dispute, of course, about Jean Kirkpatrick or Maggie Thatcher. But your conformity with double-standard media IQ tests indicates that you have either not read or you do not understand most of this thread. Also, I assume you understand that there can be a sexual component to the term "bimbo"? That is included in it's most frequent use in the U.S.. You might be more comfortable in the Democratic Party, where they regularly sink to that level.

1194 ghost ryder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:29:07pm

This has probably already been said but there are far too many comments already to read through the whole thing. If there's even a shred of truth to Palin's shortcomings according to this story, how on earth can McCain's people blame anyone but themselves? Weren't they responsible for vetting, interviewing, and selecting Palin or did she just bust her way onto the ticket? Do you think if it came up in an interview that she thought Africa was a country that maybe they should have reconsidered? That's exactly why I think this story is just a bunch of back stabbing after the fact.

1195 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:43:24pm

re: #1192 vladdrac

Well, I think the context here is important.

1. Obama - allegedly the smartest person in the room for this season, has technically made a far bigger display of exactly the characteristics that are allegedly a problem with Palin. The difference is slickness, smoothness, and Media complicity.

2. Would we like a brilliant, highly degreed person with PhDs in Political Science and Foreign Affairs to run for office? Of course. But this is the pick that the Republican Party made - this is the pick that the McCain Campaign made. The party picked McCain, then they, after considering everyone else in the country, asked Governor Sarah Palin if she would serve. They had whatever resources and time they needed to make an evaluation.

She said OK, and she stepped up to the plate. She was asked to serve her country, to fight for the principles that probably 75 million voters believe in, and she agreed.

This commentary on her perceived and alleged shortcomings could be about 1000 times more principled and more dignified than it is. It could focus on the future simple desires of the Republican Party. If they keep giving us Democrat Lite, they can kiss their Party goodbye.

1196 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:34:56pm

re: #1193 legalpad

As long as your assessment of someone's intelligence/education is based on limited and edited exposure in the media for some 2 months, your support for candidates will be what the media wants it to be, as is the case with most people under 30.

There can be no dispute, of course, about Jean Kirkpatrick or Maggie Thatcher. But your conformity with double-standard media IQ tests indicates that you have either not read or you do not understand most of this thread. Also, I assume you understand that there can be a sexual component to the term "bimbo"? That is included in it's most frequent use in the U.S.. You might be more comfortable in the Democratic Party, where they regularly sink to that level.

You can deny reality all you want, but Sarah Palin will NEVER be ready for prime time. What is it with the supposed 'intellectuals' in here ( you seem to be full of presumptions about what other posters have or have not read)..do you really enjoy losing elections as much as it seems? Are you KIDDING me? Do you honestly think for a second that Sarah Palin, with her complete lack of education and ignorance of even the most obvious 3rd grade geography questions is enough to win dog-catcher in 2012?
If you think this woman has any business in national politics, we are doomed to the back-bench forever. YOU CAN'T BEAT THE EMPTY SUIT OF OBAMA WITH AN EVEN EMPTIER MINI-SKIRT...get with it!, or get used to one party rule.

1197 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:42:42pm

re: #1193 legalpad

As long as your assessment of someone's intelligence/education is based on limited and edited exposure in the media for some 2 months, your support for candidates will be what the media wants it to be, as is the case with most people under 30.

There can be no dispute, of course, about Jean Kirkpatrick or Maggie Thatcher. But your conformity with double-standard media IQ tests indicates that you have either not read or you do not understand most of this thread. Also, I assume you understand that there can be a sexual component to the term "bimbo"? That is included in it's most frequent use in the U.S.. You might be more comfortable in the Democratic Party, where they regularly sink to that level.

Are you on drugs? THE IDIOT WOMAN TOOK A PHONY PHONECALL FROM A PHONY FRENCH HEAD OF STATE...the woman was never intended to do anything had McAmnesty won. She was a useful idiot of the GOP to get elected, and she was exposed for who and what she is: a complete ninkompoop. She practically self-immolated on the Kouric interview, and it was a downhill slide from there. I've voted (R) since 1979, and was never more humiliated to do so. Christ, dig up Buckley and run his corpse. At least it's smarter than "Hockey Mom"...good grief!

1198 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:46:02pm

re: #1196 strangelove

What "reality" have I denied? I am not touting her as the best of all possible candidates. I simply observe that criticism of her is based on a hypocritical double-standard, and largely unexamined allegations. I think there was no vice-presidential candidate that could have saved John McCain, who was the media pick for the Republicans.

I did not make a presumption about what you read. I made I observation that you do not understand it. You have no factual basis for your extreme claims. "Complete lack of education", etc. These are not arguments, these are epithets.

1199 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:18pm

re: #1197 strangelove

Are you on drugs? THE IDIOT WOMAN TOOK A PHONY PHONECALL FROM A PHONY FRENCH HEAD OF STATE...the woman was never intended to do anything had McAmnesty won. She was a useful idiot of the GOP to get elected, and she was exposed for who and what she is: a complete ninkompoop. She practically self-immolated on the Kouric interview, and it was a downhill slide from there. I've voted (R) since 1979, and was never more humiliated to do so. Christ, dig up Buckley and run his corpse. At least it's smarter than "Hockey Mom"...good grief!

I think you may need to be on drugs. Again, no data, all insults. There's nothing to refute here because you haven't said anything. You are practically raving. Why don't you do a Google search and find us a candidate clever enough for you? Maybe you could pull your head out of the TV? That may help.

1200 onepistoffyid  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:30:01pm

re: #1199 legalpad

I think you may need to be on drugs. Again, no data, all insults. There's nothing to refute here because you haven't said anything. You are practically raving. Why don't you do a Google search and find us a candidate clever enough for you? Maybe you could pull your head out of the TV? That may help.

I'm with Strangelove. Our party lost handily because of this airhead and McCain's recklessness in choosing her. We won't be able to recover until we can acknowledge that this women was a poor choice.

A campaign is in many ways a Darwinian struggle, and McCain's judgment failed the test here, and for that our party is the loser.

1201 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:39:11pm

re: #1200 onepistoffyid

Our party lost handily because of this airhead

Wrong on two counts. McCain lost it. Period. The Governor of Alaska is not an "airhead". If your little group could lay off this compulsion to put things in extreme terms, you might be able to make a point.

1202 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:39:28pm
1203 WinterCat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:42:57pm

re: #1200 onepistoffyid

I'm with Strangelove. Our party lost handily because of this airhead and McCain's recklessness in choosing her. We won't be able to recover until we can acknowledge that this women was a poor choice.

A campaign is in many ways a Darwinian struggle, and McCain's judgment failed the test here, and for that our party is the loser.

Where to begin.

Yes, Palin is the reason that John McCain, a 70 year old veteran running against a 47 year old man who with $600 million to spend on a campaign where the media fell all over him. Not the economic crisis, not McCain's failure to hang it around Obama's neck, not McCain's Mr Nice Guy approach to the Rev Wright situation, not the fact that he spent almost the entire campaign dwelling on his POW status rather than dealing with the here and now issues that young people are interested in. And I am not running him down for that service. He is a great hero for it but the truth is nobody under 30 really cares about Vietnam. It is all Palin's fault.
Right.

1204 pilgrim shadow  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:44:09pm

To make a couple of points perfectly clear...

I would NOT have voted for McCain without Sarah Palin on the ticket. I had already decided to vote for either the Constitution party or the Libertarian party and was trying to make up my mind which way to waste my vote when she came on the scene.

Judging from the statements and reactions of many of my Republican friends, McCain would NOT have won Missouri if Palin had not been on the ticket.

Period.

End of story!

1205 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:52:29pm
1206 onepistoffyid  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:54:21pm

re: #1201 legalpad

Wrong on two counts. McCain lost it. Period. The Governor of Alaska is not an "airhead". If your little group could lay off this compulsion to put things in extreme terms, you might be able to make a point.

I would characterize anyone who cannot name the three governments in North America involved with NAFTA an airhead, wouldn't you?

1207 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:55:20pm
1208 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:56:38pm
1209 onepistoffyid  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:58:30pm

re: #1203 WinterCat

Where to begin.

Yes, Palin is the reason that John McCain, a 70 year old veteran running against a 47 year old man who with $600 million to spend on a campaign where the media fell all over him. Not the economic crisis, not McCain's failure to hang it around Obama's neck, not McCain's Mr Nice Guy approach to the Rev Wright situation, not the fact that he spent almost the entire campaign dwelling on his POW status rather than dealing with the here and now issues that young people are interested in. And I am not running him down for that service. He is a great hero for it but the truth is nobody under 30 really cares about Vietnam. It is all Palin's fault.
Right.

Hey, our party was trounced, doesn't that tell you that something went wrong with the campaign? You can't argue with victory, and this was not even close. You all can bloviate all you want about how Palin brought in the base, but I know in my bones that many more folks switched from McCain to Obama when Palin was chosen.

1210 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:58:57pm

re: #1199 legalpad

I think you may need to be on drugs. Again, no data, all insults. There's nothing to refute here because you haven't said anything. You are practically raving. Why don't you do a Google search and find us a candidate clever enough for you? Maybe you could pull your head out of the TV? That may help.

gee, you're right. 'no data'.

Here's some data: Palin got butchered by a lightweight 'journalist' .
Palin's positive ratings plummeted every time she opened her mouth. No doubt you'll blame the mainstream media, and rightly so. But the MSM ain't goin' anywhere, Sally, and we'd better learn to play hard and not expect anything but smear from them and beat them with intellect, which Sarah Palin is devoid of.

Here's some more data: McAmnesty hoped Bubble Girl would grab Hillary voters: Here's what Team McCain doesn't understand about women my mother's age: They believed Hillary had been weighed down by her gender despite being highly qualified. They thought she deserved to go further on the merits, but that she'd been held back by discrimination and the traditional household division of labor. They worried she was being passed over for a less qualified male. And, having endured similar frustrations throughout their own careers, they empathized with her.

Palin appears to have the exact opposite life experience--a woman being promoted far above her qualifications. Not only do women like my mother have trouble relating to that, they may actually resent her for it, since their trajectory was so much tougher.

bingo.

So don't bother attacking posters here. If you want to win, you'd better attack the utter fools who ran this latest GOP debacle.

1211 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:00:08pm
1212 idaniboy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:00:46pm

re: #1204 pilgrim shadow

It's true that McCain wouldn't have won Missouri without Sarah Palin, but had he picked Romney he probably wouldn't have lost NC, Indiana, Virginia, and Colorado.

1213 onepistoffyid  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:01:20pm

re: #1207 sloggin420

McCain was the poor choice. Period.

Agreed and the Palin choice was another symptom of that illness i.e. poor decision making skills...I don't think he even really vetted her in the first place-just an impulsive, "maverick" decision...and now we have president Obama (I hope and pray all my fears about him are completey wrong)..

1214 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:04:30pm

re: #1206 onepistoffyid

I would characterize anyone who cannot name the three governments in North America involved with NAFTA an airhead, wouldn't you?

I think if you called her up and asked her, she could name them. All the candidates, all of everybody continually scrutinized by the media says weird things which do not necessarily reflect their actual state of mind or capabilities. Obama far outstripped Palin in this. Anybody who says we have 57 states would be and "airhead", right? Anybody who say Roosevelt made an announcement on TV in 1929 is an "airhead" right? It's just not an accurate way to assess someone's intelligence. It's like making a typo or spelling the wrong form of a word on the internet. It happens. People are under pressure, they always have a microphone in their face. This woman answered the call when she was asked. Get some courage and don't turn on people on your side when they make mistakes.

1215 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:07:23pm

re: #1203 WinterCat

Where to begin.

Yes, Palin is the reason that John McCain, a 70 year old veteran running against a 47 year old man who with $600 million to spend on a campaign where the media fell all over him. Not the economic crisis, not McCain's failure to hang it around Obama's neck, not McCain's Mr Nice Guy approach to the Rev Wright situation, not the fact that he spent almost the entire campaign dwelling on his POW status rather than dealing with the here and now issues that young people are interested in. And I am not running him down for that service. He is a great hero for it but the truth is nobody under 30 really cares about Vietnam. It is all Palin's fault.
Right.

I totally get your point. But look back.
McCain's campaign was going nowhere fast, before he hired the Miniskirt. He was running out of money (remember the comment about the campaign having $250,000 last summer?). So he picks her, and money pours in. Mission accomplished. Which would have been true had she said 'goodnight' after her introduction. Why do you think there was that paucity in her public appearances? She nearly vanished for almost 3 weeks after her intro! why?..because the campaign said 'holy s**t!, this woman has ambient temperature IQ!", and had to school her up, and fast.

Of course the Media is to blame, we all get that. Of course the economy blew up 30 days before the election, and of course Mc was too old and feeble looking to spar with The One,...all agreed. But the problem is palin was ponied out as the new face of the young and vibrant GOP, and she was a deer in headlights. I don't blame her. I blame those who picked her without proper research.

1216 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:09:36pm
1217 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:10:22pm

re: #1210 strangelove

gee, you're right. 'no data'.

Yes - I am right. Your adding several of your opinions and generalities doesn't change that.

So don't bother attacking posters here. If you want to win, you'd better attack the utter fools who ran this latest GOP debacle.

Where did I "attack" what poster?

By the way: I am winning.

1218 idaniboy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:11:14pm

There's no need to pin the blame on Palin. Sure, Palin showed that she was an airhead in her interview with Couric. But McCain was even more knuckle-headed when he said "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" the day Lehman Brothers collapsed and there are also the bone-heads in the GOP who picked McCain to run in the first place.

1219 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:11:30pm
1220 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:13:47pm

re: #1208 sloggin420

Never send a Democrat (McCain) to do a Republicans job... even if the New York Times was singing his praises (at least until the Republican Party was stupid enough to pick him).

THEY didn't pick him...WE did. We had plenty of good choices, and WE picked an old has-been in the primary. Stop blaming the party, except for picking Sarah Palin, a decision that will live in infamy.

1221 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:58pm
1222 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:17:27pm

re: #1217 legalpad

Where did I "attack" what poster?

By the way: I am winning.

You must be involved with the glorious McCain campaign.

You are attacking the poster in previous posts, blindly assuming you know what the poster has or has not read. You assume the poster watches TV. You assume the poster should 'go join the Democratic party'.

By the way: You are not only losing, you have already lost.

1223 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:18:15pm

re: #1221 sloggin420

I don't know which party's mantra I hated more. The Democrats with "Hope and Change", or the Republicans with "Mavericks and Bipartisanship".. I guess I found the Democrats slogan worse, but not by that much. Both were empty glasses filled with BS.

Amen, Brother.

1224 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:19:40pm
1225 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:21:22pm

re: #1219 sloggin420

How about blaming those who picked McLame?

ok...agreed...but again, we had a choice of Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani, etc.

I could see this thing evaporating when Giuliani lost Florida (the second-worst GOP campaign in history)

1226 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:21:53pm

re: #1224 sloggin420

Exactly, we picked him, not specifically me, but people that I had no control or influence over and most probably none of us did. Short of the New York Times singing his praises. Regardless of that, "we" are the Party, and "we" deserve full blame. So, no, I sure as hell will not stop blaming the party.

agreed.

1227 readytofight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:45pm

I just logged on so if this idea has been mentioned, forgive me.

I just wrote a letter to O'reilly at Fox News and told him what I though of Fox for reporting vicious rumors on Gov. Palin from unnamed sources. Nancy boy Carl Cameron looked gleeful as he reported this.

I say we all bombard Fox News with these type of letters. We have got to fight this; they will have her defined by the left like they did Bush. We've got to start standing up. I told him "The Folks" were through having the media define anyone for us, and I'll get my news from the blogs.

This is about trying to ruin her future political chances simply because she is such a strong candidate.
Please, let's do this, we've got to take a stand.

1228 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:31:03pm

re: #1222 strangelove

You must be involved with the glorious McCain campaign.

You are attacking the poster in previous posts, blindly assuming you know what the poster has or has not read. You assume the poster watches TV. You assume the poster should 'go join the Democratic party'.

By the way: You are not only losing, you have already lost.

There is no "attack" and you know it. If "the poster" has indeed read the thread, then he can come back and say, "You are mistaken, I have read the thread." I'll believe him. Or tell me "I don't watch TV." Of course, since I said to "pull your head out", that was a metaphor. And even smart people do not necessarily understand everything they read, especially if there are emotions involved. And I didn't "assume" that the poster should join the Democratic Party: I suggested it, when they used a possibly sexually demeaning epithet against the Governor of Alaska.

When I said, "I am winning", I was not referring to our discussion (are we competing for something here?), I was referring to my own life, my business, personal life, etc.

If you

1229 strangelove  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:50:21pm

re: #1228 legalpad

There is no "attack" and you know it. If "the poster" has indeed read the thread, then he can come back and say, "You are mistaken, I have read the thread." I'll believe him. Or tell me "I don't watch TV." Of course, since I said to "pull your head out", that was a metaphor. And even smart people do not necessarily understand everything they read, especially if there are emotions involved. And I didn't "assume" that the poster should join the Democratic Party: I suggested it, when they used a possibly sexually demeaning epithet against the Governor of Alaska.

When I said, "I am winning", I was not referring to our discussion (are we competing for something here?), I was referring to my own life, my business, personal life, etc.

If you

Here's some charity:

In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters.[11][12] During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[13][14] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[15][16] at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.[8] Afterwards, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.[11][12]

>B-I-M-B-O

1230 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:30pm

re: #1229 strangelove

B-I-M-B-O


Democrat.


Seriously,though, got to go to another fundraiser. (I am not involved with the Republican campaign.)

1231 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:39:20pm

Even if only 10% of that is true of Sarah Palin, the nation has been spared.

1232 finallyhere  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:46:38pm

So Palin could see Russia, but not Canada! How stupid do they expect us to be to believe that Palin did not know about Canada?

Anyway, McCain did not know about the break of Czechoslovakia, Biden thinks that US and France kicked Hizb'Allah from Lebanon a year or so ago, and Obama thinks that there are 57+ States in the USA. AND, opposite to this BS about Sarah, this is all on tape.

1233 finallyhere  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 9:56:52pm

re: #1229 strangelove

Here's some charity:

In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters.[11][12] During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[13][14] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[15][16] at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.[8] Afterwards, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.[11][12]

>B-I-M-B-O

So?

Better go to several community colleges in five years, than spend 20 years in Black Liberation Theology church for 20 years or get F for plagiarism in Law School like Biden. And "Constitutional Law Professor" Obama thinks that justice should be administer taking into account race, gender, and social status. Obviously even the best law school in the country fails to teach some basic things.

McCain was leading 10 point before he selected Palin and then it went down the hill.
/sarc

1234 A Balrog of Morgoth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 10:29:30pm

Wow, this is amazing.

I knew the usual "sure, that charismatic GOPer is as dumb as a box of rocks" meme was in full force but what I cannot get over is that anyone at Little Green Footballs is actually ignorant enough to believe that Sarah Palin is ignorant enough to actually believe that Africa is a country not a continent.

FFS. Maybe those Bush National Guard memos Rather was pimping really were legit, huh? Way to show your asses, some of you, for buying this Palin smearjob.

But, but, but, you say, it was on FOX! ZOMG!

Yeah, and who on FOX bought it? Shep Smith and Bill O'Reilly. Well, hells bells, the Katrina drama queen and a famously fatuous blowhard bought in. I'm convinced.

1235 meh130  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:12:54am

It is not believable Palin, having been a multi-term mayor, a state energy commission chair, and a governor, does not understand the roles of municipal, state, and federal government. That needs to be called out. The Africa thing is weird, and unlikely given her religious background. For example, many protestant churches have charitable drives supporting various African countries. As for meeting staffers in a bathrobe, that is so unpretentious it sounds the exact opposite of a "diva".

Which begs the question: "What was the follow-up question?" Did the reporter ask or say "That's not a credible claim that a former mayor and sitting governor does not understand the role of municipal and state government, what evidence do you have to back it up?" A reporter would bird-dog on his own to confirm this, rather than just repeating tripe.

Whatever happened to the follow-up question?

So many of these stories contradict logic. But even assuming they are true, the people who are airing this laundry should be called out. They should be shunned from any and all paying Republican positions in the future. Who would want such unloyal people working a campaign? For the good of the party, these cretins should be starved. They should be relegated to begging for work for non-partisan mayoral races or third-party presidential candidates.


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