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Outside of a dog, a man’s best friend is a book. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
— Groucho Marx
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scion9 Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:41:38pm |
So, what percentage of the popular vote did Ron Paul get?
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Cognito Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:43:08pm |
Shilling for the Marx Brothers now, I see.
Marx, Charles. Marx.
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middlecon Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:44:02pm |
Here's my post mortem on the election:
The polls were actually fairly accurate. I was surprised that Obama won Indiana and North Carolina but it looks like he had enough momentum to win very close races in those usually reliably red states.
The loss of Colorado and Nevada are more troubling, as the demographics in those states are shifting (more hispanics) which will make it harder for Republicans to win in the future.
The hopes of blue states turning red (Penn, NH and even some said Maine) were very wishful thinking.
I'll give Obama a chance and hope he does well as President, I never want to be like the moonbats and openly hate an American President, life is too short.
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scion9 Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:44:39pm |
re: #6 Cognito
Shilling for the Marx Brothers now, I see.
Marx, Charles. Marx.
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lummox Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:46:39pm |
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stuiec Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:48:00pm |
re: #8 scion9
"What was that word you called me?"
"Worm?"
"No, that wasn't it."
"Pipsqueak?"
"No, no, but you're getting closer."
"Ah, I remember! Upstart!"
"Upstart! That was it! Of course you know, THIS MEANS WAR!"
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The Other Les Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:48:05pm |
re: #1 lummox
I don't know if I can LAST much longer.
They can't kill you until they get to you.
There's a long list and I'm on it ahead of you. So try to relax.
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laxmatt1984 Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:48:28pm |
FYI, Democrats are using the 700 B bailout to funnel money to MSNBC.
[Link: thecablegame.blogspot.com...]
Plenty of coverage at thecablegame.blogspot.com
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neocon hippie Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:48:31pm |
re: #7 middlecon
IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.
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logboy Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:20pm |
I am completely baffled as to why two states would vote for a man who plans to kill a large portion of their jobs. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if it happens Ohio and Pennsylvania will get what is coming to them. Unfortunately we will all suffer as well. When the cost of electricity doubles I'll finally get off my duff and put up my windmill and build the battery bank. Of course then I'll be required to hook up to my neighbors house and give him half the power I generate. You know, to spread the wealth around.
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lummox Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:30pm |
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The Other Les Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:42pm |
re: #14 neocon hippie
IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.
It's going to be Chicago style elections nationwide from now on.
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inquisitive Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:49:55pm |
Why did I have to log back in when I came up thread?...umm is Charles trying to tell me something.....like it's almost 2 a.m. and I should go lay this head on a pillow for awhile?
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:50:23pm |
Just a thought but, has anyone asked Obama if he would ever actually use nuclear weapons? He already said he wants to get rid of them (along with a lot of the rest of the military).
/may as well put the nuclear football in storage
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Karridine Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:50:44pm |
re: #13 laxmatt1984
FYI, Democrats are using the 700 B bailout to funnel money to MSNBC.
[Link: thecablegame.blogspot.com...]Plenty of coverage at thecablegame.blogspot.com
More and more, revelations like this will reveal to us the depth of the tribulations awaiting us!
Good stuff, laxmatt
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The Other Les Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:50:54pm |
re: #15 logboy
I am completely baffled as to why two states would vote for a man who plans to kill a large portion of their jobs. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if it happens Ohio and Pennsylvania will get what is coming to them. Unfortunately we will all suffer as well. When the cost of electricity doubles I'll finally get off my duff and put up my windmill and build the battery bank. Of course then I'll be required to hook up to my neighbors house and give him half the power I generate. You know, to spread the wealth around.
It's probably the urban populations that did it. Miners as rule tend to live in rural areas.
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neocon hippie Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:51:45pm |
re: #16 lummox
I don't have any hard evidence but I'm pretty sure ACORN was active in both states.
MO is the only swing state that McCain won. Really depressing.
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middlecon Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:51:58pm |
re: #14 neocon hippie
IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.
Hey no doubt about it, I'm from Indiana and Gary/Lake County is pretty much the hot bed of voter fraud in Indiana, though it never has been proven. Would be interesting I'm sure if some investigative reporters wanted to take a look at the voting rolls.
BUT also I was just reading an article today that Obama did about 10 points better in suburban Indianapolis than Kerry did, and these are NOT hotbeds of fraud, since they are run strictly by Republicans.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:52:30pm |
re: #7 middlecon
And just wait- the demonrats will attempt to pass amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens as one of their first acts in January or February, and McCain will vote with them, knowing Obama will sign the bill.
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lummox Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:55:04pm |
Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?
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logboy Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:56:14pm |
re: #23 The Other Les
It's probably the urban populations that did it. Miners as rule tend to live in rural areas.
They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:56:19pm |
re: #28 lummox
Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?
/too late for drinkin'?
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inquisitive Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:57:51pm |
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gmsc Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:58:12pm |
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:58:46pm |
Pelosi calls for lameduck session to enact stimulus
/nail your wallet to some immovable object
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The Other Les Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:59:04pm |
re: #29 lummox
Molt?
There's a low pressure cell over South Dakota that dropping rain on my location so going out for a walk is really not an option at the moment.
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middlecon Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:59:11pm |
re: #31 logboy
They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.
The only thing I can come up with for the Obama "coal policy", is it was pretty clear that he was talking about 'new coal plants'. So I don't think a key part of his adminstration will be to bankrupt the coal industry.
I doubt if he has his way there will be any new coal plants built anywhere, or if they are they will be 'clean coal', but 'clean coal' was supported by McCain too.
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lummox Wed, Nov 5, 2008 11:59:32pm |
re: #32 Killian Bundy
/too late for drinkin'?
In my time zone alcohol sales are over. The past two days have put a severe strain on my stockpile.
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StudSupreme Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:03:11am |
A good friend of mine believes that Americans have not actually shifted to the left, and that Obama is just a wierd exception to the centrist tendencies of the American public.
I think and hope that he is right. It would mean that if The Messiah actually does start trying to implement his wierd marxist ideas (the ideologically pure $500B internal security force, fully nationalized health care, heavy taxation with select income redistribution, closing down coal plants, etc....) he will lose support precipitously.
MSM malfeasance continues - with the stock market run today, AP says that it's just the market expressing fears of the health of the economy, DESPITE obama's election win........
They'll try to cover for the Dem heavy congressional majority and The Messiah, but if deficits pile up, inflation climbs and unemployment continues growing, they won't be able to cover for their ideological masters.................
In the meantime, if the Repubs don't purge their party of pedo's and scavengers & get back to the small govt with a strong military platform, and then simply drop the social issues that are so divisive, they will not recover and they will not have my support.
Life goes on. Today is better than yesterday.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:04:27am |
At least the threads have slowed down to a readable pace. I am still burnt out over this whole thing. Even up here in Canada I am running across moonbat Obama worship. Two friends on facebook, posters hailing him, and even a store window painted in celebration. One of my friends acquaintances on facebook had the audacity to say that Bobby and Martin are now resting in peace. Almost threw up when I saw that. Don't know what I am going to say when he starts on it this weekend.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:05:58am |
re: #39 StudSupreme
Absolutely no one is embracing Obama for his policies, it was just a 'perfect storm' that put Obama in the White House.
My guess is that without the Dow losing about 4000 points in a month, we're looking at incredibly closer election, if not a McCain win.
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The Other Les Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:06:47am |
re: #31 logboy
They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.
Our socialist run school system has taught their charges to not look at the big picture or see cause and effect sequences. So the disaster that is about to hit them will be a complete mystery that the Donks and their MSM drones will blame on some convenient scapegoat.
Economist Henry Hazlitt had this to say about the phenomena:
"From this aspect, therefore, the whole of economics can be reduced to a single lesson, and that lesson can be reduced to a single sentence.
The art of economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate but at the longer effects of any act or policy; it consists in tracing the consequences of that policy not merely for one group but for all groups."
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xop1 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:09:27am |
This made me laugh - it's from the blog of Margot Wallstrom, Vice President of the European Commission. Her posting is so devoid of rational thought, so mind-numbingly naive that it almost comes across as retarded. The scary bit is that this is what passes for enlightened thinking amongst European politicians.
"Hurried up to watch early TV-news this morning and cheered together with my youngest son for Barack Obama’s over-whelming victory!
YES – there are huge problems ahead of him and the USA,
YES – expectations may be too high,
YES – he will probably face dangers of all kinds,
YES – he is rather inexperienced and young,
YES – he might be tempted to take protectionist measures,
BUT – he embodies CHANGE!
He has mobilized young people, poor people, the Afro-American population.
He signals a willingness to co-operate – including with the EU on climate change and HE is clearly intelligent, hard working and well organised,
He managed to get people off the couch, to donate money and to engage in the local campaign activities"
[Link: blogs.ec.europa.eu...]
Yes, really.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:10:32am |
What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:11:07am |
re: #37 middlecon
"New" coal plants typically also refers to rebuilt plants as well. I mean, coal mines occasionally have to migrate, and with them so too do the firing plants. Especially when renovating and attenuated shipping lines becomes more costly than rebuilding from scratch closer to the mines.
Also, the interview clearly painted a connection between coal burning, and 'ideology', that is anthropogenic global climate change as the decision making factor regarding the coal industry.
The entire Obama energy policy, not just his stance on coal is completely outrageous and self-destructive.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:12:39am |
re: #42 middlecon
Absolutely no one is embracing Obama for his policies, it was just a 'perfect storm' that put Obama in the White House.
My guess is that without the Dow losing about 4000 points in a month, we're looking at incredibly closer election, if not a McCain win.
And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.
Nothing.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:13:16am |
Never mind- A Felon Leads in Alaska’s Senate Race
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:13:47am |
re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?
According to this Stevens leads by 3,353 votes.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Hopefully he will resign if elected.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:13:50am |
re: #39 StudSupreme
The majority of Obama voters have no idea he is hard left. He was sold as a moderate by the MSM, and many people think he will be a post '94 Clinton style president. If he reveals his true self, he will lose support quickly.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:16:18am |
re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?
US SENATOR
Total
Number of Precincts 438
Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
Times Counted 224057/495731 45.2 %
Total Votes 221713
Begich, Mark DEM 103337 46.61%
Bird, Bob AI 8919 4.02%
Gianoutsos, Ted NA 807 0.36%
Haase, Fredrick D. LIB 1516 0.68%
Stevens, Ted REP 106594 48.08%
Write-in Votes 540 0.24%
/still Senator pending his expulsion
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:16:46am |
re: #48 TheMatrix31
And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.
Nothing.
Oh I agree McCain played it 'nice', but I think everyone knew that coming in, it wasn't a completely lost cause, but after the credit crisis McCain had alot of catching up to do.
56+ million people voted for McCain, thats alot of votes, just not enough.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:16:55am |
re: #48 TheMatrix31
And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.
Nothing.
He talked about it ad naseum really. Not eloquently, and not effectively in many areas, using class warfare rhetoric about 'corporate greed', throwing out mixed messages. Talk about it he did though.
He just didn't get any press, or when he did only bad press, calling his accusations 'smears', despite their veracity.
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I need a bigger gun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:17:42am |
Since he now has to go at least the next four years without getting his jollies by nightly bashing a Republican administration, will Chris Matthews rename his show "BlueBalls with Chris Matthews"? Just wonderin'...
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:18:55am |
re: #56 I need a bigger gun
It will be very interesting to see who Mathews and Olbermann go after the next 2 years at least, are they really going to pick on the minority Senate and House members? lol....I don't watch their crappy shows but I'm interested to find out.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:19:31am |
I agree. I like Mac as a politician, but the days of old fashioned hand-shake honesty are long gone.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:20:35am |
re: #26 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
And just wait- the demonrats will attempt to pass amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens as one of their first acts in January or February, and McCain will vote with them, knowing Obama will sign the bill.
I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:21:34am |
re: #56 I need a bigger gun
Since he now has to go at least the next four years without getting his jollies by nightly bashing a Republican administration, will Chris Matthews rename his show "BlueBalls with Chris Matthews"? Just wonderin'...
It's like Powell's "Pottery Barn" rule.
/you broke it, now you own it
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RTLM Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:21:53am |
re: #20 Killian Bundy
/may as well put the nuclear football in storage
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:22:11am |
re: #58 logboy
I agree. I like Mac as a politician, but the days of old fashioned hand-shake honesty are long gone.
/my friends
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:22:14am |
re: #50 middlecon
According to this Stevens leads by 3,353 votes.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Hopefully he will resign if elected.
He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:22:56am |
re: #59 stevieray
I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.
Complete amnesty would be one way sure way, and there are hundreds, for Dems to blow it once again, it will happen the only question is how will they accomplish it.
Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:24:35am |
re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?
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I need a bigger gun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:24:54am |
The scariest thought coming on the heels of this election:
The top three rungs in the political chain of command are now filled by Obama, Biden, and Pelosi. We...are...screwed...
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:25:17am |
re: #64 middlecon
Complete amnesty would be one way sure way, and there are hundreds, for Dems to blow it once again, it will happen the only question is how will they accomplish it.
Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.
Lemme find an interesting link for you. BRB
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:25:18am |
re: #59 stevieray
I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.
Unfortunately, the states would have no choice. It's not a constitutional amendment nor issue.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:25:55am |
re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?
As I understand it, Ted Stevens is expected to win. He will be resigning, and then Sarah Palin will appoint a Republican to replace Stevens.
The voters have understood since at least the Stevens corruption verdict was handed down.
Basically, Begich is losing to a Republican to be named later.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:27:11am |
Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.
But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.
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Salem Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:27:12am |
I wonder how much tension Obama will cause with his staffing choices? Not enough black cabinet members, or maybe too many, excluding politicians who expected paybacks. It's going to be a crazy disreputable bunch by any measure, I'm sure.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:28:06am |
re: #65 middlecon
I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?
I don't know the law in Alaska. I would think it would be until the next election, in 2010. I would doubt the governor could appoint someone for the entire six year term.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:28:58am |
I wonder if Lieberman will caucus with the republicans. He might as well- the democrats hate him after this election.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:29:02am |
Yes Stevens seat is most likely headed for a special election:
[Link: alaskadispatch.com...]
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:29:06am |
re: #70 middlecon
Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.
But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.
This is true, but I understand that Stevens will be resigning before there's even a chance for him to be expelled. That way, it falls to the Alaskan governor to appoint his replacement.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:30:01am |
re: #73 Sharmuta
Poor Joe, he's dead to either side at this point lol....I saw some report that his party (The Lieberman Party?) in CT was taken over too.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:30:45am |
re: #70 middlecon
Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.
But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.
Agreed. But it would not be until 2010, that would cost millions of dollars to have an election let's say next year.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:30:54am |
re: #75 gmsc
From the link earlier:
In 2004, the Legislature passed a bill requiring a special election but left open the option for the governor to appoint a temporary replacement until an election could be held. Later in 2004, Alaskans passed a ballot measure that also said there must be a special election but stripped the governor of her authority to appoint a temporary replacement.
So the law has been changed in Alaska recently.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:31:59am |
re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.
You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.
/we need to be the Party cutting government spending and fiscal responsibility and Stevens is the undisputed champion of elbowing others away from the earmarks trough, somehow, earmarks need to stop, period
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:32:08am |
re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.
I'm with you on the quit playing it nice. We like to take the high road, and be the better person. Unfortunately it rarely seems to come out in the end and the Dems spin it off as somehow being our fault. When is someone finally going to start nailing people to the wall, kicking ass and taking names?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:34:34am |
re: #77 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Agreed. But it would not be until 2010, that would cost millions of dollars to have an election let's say next year.
PIMF- It would cost millions of dollars to have an election just to replace Ted Stevens in 2009. They'll wait until 2010, and Sarah Palin will select his replacement once he is sentenced, assuming he wins.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:34:47am |
re: #64 middlecon
Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.
There is some self-deportation happening, but it is not entirely a new phenomena, and there are still more coming in than leaving. So for the most part that just isn't true.
What really happened, is a lot of latinos were involved in construction, and since the subprime collapse they can't make it in those industries any more because there just aren't enough jobs. The amount of jobs in construction were abnormally high though because of the bubble. With unemployment still relatively low, there isn't a lot of room for this 'unskilled' labor to go anywhere else, like agriculture.
Those are the illegals that are self-deporting.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:35:06am |
re: #64 middlecon
Here it is. [pdf]
California is predicted to have a drop of 11% in per capita income in the next decade because of the demographic shifts that have already occurred. The house of reps would lose half their membership in 2010 if they passed an amnesty.
Governors have a pretty good amount of sway with their reps in DC. Nobody wants to be stuck in Washington half the year while their governor is dragging their name through the mud back home.
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RTLM Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:35:26am |
re: #73 Sharmuta
I wonder if Lieberman will caucus with the republicans. He might as well- the democrats hate him after this election.
He should change his party to "R". Today.
The Dems are in process of stripping he committee chairmanships as we speak.
(Nothing to lose)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:35:34am |
re: #80 logboy
I'm with you on the quit playing it nice. We like to take the high road, and be the better person. Unfortunately it rarely seems to come out in the end and the Dems spin it off as somehow being our fault. When is someone finally going to start nailing people to the wall, kicking ass and taking names?
Palin tried.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:39:02am |
re: #79 Killian Bundy
I agree. Democrat constituencies elect William Jefferson's to office. Republican constituencies, by and large, will not tolerate it. Holding it up as a virtue, or calling it 'not playing nice', would be extremely damaging.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:39:44am |
re: #79 Killian Bundy
You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.
/we need to be the Party cutting government spending and fiscal responsibility and Stevens is the undisputed champion of elbowing others away from the earmarks trough, somehow, earmarks need to stop, period
No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:41:14am |
Lieberman is a liberal and votes liberal. What good would it do us to have another RINO?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:41:28am |
Good afternoon folks, on a short break from class right now...
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:41:59am |
re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
What makes their crooks any better than ours?
Their ability to get away with it in the eyes of the msm and their constituents.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:42:10am |
Alaska is such a deep red state, that I can't see that senate seat being in jeopardy in a special election.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:43:17am |
re: #85 TheMatrix31
Palin tried.
Yeah, and got thrown under the bus. Wtf is wrong with those people?
In other news, I found my bumper sticker.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:43:36am |
I re-proposed my plan to my parents regarding the move of my family to TX, or at least out of CA.
They seemed a bit more inclined and willing to listen.
I HOPE we make the CHANGE.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:43:38am |
re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
By the way:
US REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT 06 Totals Pct Graph
Independence BOB ANDERSON 40642 10.04
Republican MICHELE BACHMANN 187805 46.41
Democratic-Farmer-Labor EL TINKLENBERG 175784 43.44
Write-In WRITE-IN** 467 0.12
Write-In AUBREY IMMELMAN** 7 0.00
/she lives to make off the wall statements for another two years
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:45:13am |
Look guys, my feeling is that the election is over, the talking heads in the MSM will do post mortems to death. Today our nation and allies are imperiled, and a good and decent man, and American hero lost an election to a man who has never gone in harms way to serve our nation when it is peril.
The real victory is that we have identified a new star in the Republican party, and she have a few years to prepare her to take on the challenges that she must. If not for Gov Palin the election would have been a rout and we would possibly be facing a Democratic legislature that could cut off debate whenever they chose to. The nation will have a new President come January, and we as Americans have a responsibility to ensure that he remembers he is our servant and not the other way around.
I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on some issues, but like Ronald Reagan I believe in the principle of trusting but verifying that the trust you put in someone was not misplaced.
We have work to do, alliances to make and an opportunity to repair bridges that we neglected over the years.
Lee Atwater's big tent has been weakened, and we have to return to that idea.
The big spenders have to go, we cannot beat the Democrats by being weak imitations of them.
So let me wish President-elect Obama good fortune and congratulate him on his victory. Fellow Lizards let us stand ready to assist him by doing the hard things that must be done to strengthen our nation and preserve our freedoms if his efforts and policies are directed at making our nation better. As well, we are a part of a healthy democracy, and as such we must be a loyal opposition which also has the responsibility to vigorously resist the government if we believe its policies will weaken the nation or imperil our allies.
Keep fighting the good fight my friends, and Governor Palin, we will not forget you.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:45:19am |
re: #94 Killian Bundy
Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:45:33am |
re: #88 Rancher
Lieberman is a liberal and votes liberal. What good would it do us to have another RINO?
While I agree, at this rate any Republicans at all from the northeast are going to be few and very far between. I'm not sure if true 'red meat' conservatives can get elected in the northeast states. Its going to take some "RINOs" in the northeast to get the majorities back in the house and senate, but again Leiberman wouldn't be one of those, he's clearly TOO liberal on everything except Isreal. I also don't want to see the Lincoln Chafee's of the world, but Susan Collins and Olympia Snow types will be necessary to get the majority back.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:45:43am |
re: #88 Rancher
Yes- with a marxist in the oval office, why would we need friends?
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:45:54am |
re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?
One of the big things that prevents either party from burning the other as bad as they want to is that they are forced to play ball because they are both so stuffed full of crooks that when one of them does go down, they are probably going to drag others with them.
Why don't you think Republicans go after Cold Cash, and Pelosi for their blatantly criminal behavior, even in the media? How can they seriously point any fingers at anybody if they aren't willing to roust the rot from their own party?
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:46:52am |
Zombie should get props for this bumper sticker.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:49:02am |
re: #96 laZardo
Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?
/not without chicanery
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:50:24am |
re: #98 Sharmuta
Yes- with a marxist in the oval office, why would we need friends?
If he isn't willing to filibuster with Republicans, or vote along party lines in committees, his party affiliation is essentially irrelevant. If he is willing to do those things, his party affiliation is essentially irrelevant, except for PR purposes.
Lieberman is too much of a national celebrity to really give any image points to Republicans though. Everyone who even follows such minutia in politics would know the PR ploy for what it was.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:51:34am |
re: #90 Sharmuta
their constituents.
Why do we care? Like I said, we have always tried to play nice, reach across the aisle. When the hell have the libs EVER done that? To the libs compromise is us agreeing with them. Fuck that! I'm sick of it.
That's why we end up with John McCain and/or Bob Dole as our candidate. Both heroes, both great Americans, but both too damn willing to compromise our conservative values to "reach out" to the libs.
Fuck that! I don't want to reach out to them, I want to defeat them!
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:51:36am |
re: #96 laZardo
Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?
As of 2 hours ago, it looks like a recount is in the works.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:52:57am |
re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?
I agree. I'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around. However, in our case it seems to come around a lot more than it goes around.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:53:20am |
re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Sorry- I wouldn't elect a known crook.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:55:42am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:56:59am |
Look- politics is the art of compromise. What we must do is define our line in the sand. We will compromise to this point and no further. And then we have to stand behind that line, defend that line and actually not compromise that line.
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:57:19am |
re: #28 lummox
Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?
too late for drinknin?
says who? we don't call this the LNDT for nada.....
/boat drinks all around!
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:58:01am |
re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Yeah, but Ted Stevens is yet another 'reach across the aisle' kind of Republican. He was at least equally concerned with bringing home the bacon as anything that is actually relevant to his role as a US Senator. A pork barrel Republican Senator isn't demonstrably different than Barack "Spread the Wealth Around" Obama or any other redistrubitionist Democrat. While the ideology might not be identical, in practice they both come off looking like Robin Hoodism.
More importantly, as the electorate that votes for Republicans, or even just against Democrats, why the hell would we want a corrupt Republican pork barreller, when we can just vote Dem instead and get a full blown neomarxist?
At least the latter will admit that he is going to misappropriate public funds to buy votes, and as such we will never have to turn a blind eye to such behavior. If the Republican electorate alters its voting habits to accomodate such behavior why turn a blind eye when instead you can just cheer it on?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:58:01am |
re: #99 scion9
One of the big things that prevents either party from burning the other as bad as they want to is that they are forced to play ball because they are both so stuffed full of crooks that when one of them does go down, they are probably going to drag others with them.
Why don't you think Republicans go after Cold Cash, and Pelosi for their blatantly criminal behavior, even in the media? How can they seriously point any fingers at anybody if they aren't willing to roust the rot from their own party?
If it was a fair fight, I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The media will ignore the criminal behavior from the left because they figure whatever it takes for their side to win is okay.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:58:03am |
Question, should I buy futures in Rolaids, Tums, or Pepto Bismol?
/looks like it's going to be one of those years I guess.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:58:27am |
re: #110 redc1c4
too late for drinknin?
says who? we don't call this the LNDT for nada.....
/boat drinks all around!
Let's just drink some Kool-Aid!
YAY!
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:58:37am |
re: #109 Sharmuta
Look- politics is the art of compromise. What we must do is define our line in the sand. We will compromise to this point and no further. And then we have to stand behind that line, defend that line and actually not compromise that line.
And republicans that do compromise that line- boot them in the primaries or caucuses. (That means getting involved in the primary or caucus process, folks.)
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:59:10am |
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Atweber Thu, Nov 6, 2008 12:59:44am |
hello faithful lizards from beautiful and amazing Kyoto. just spent the day in walking amazement of japan's history. there are over 17,000 shrines and temples here!
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:00:14am |
re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I am willing to compromise on somethings.
I believe that two good people can come to very different conclusions even if they read the same information, because of their different perspectives.
Compromise gives us an opportunity to benefit from some of the strengths that our Democratic adversaries may have that we do not, They are not all bad, although many of them are misinformed.
But compromise means they give up a bit and we give up a bit and we meet somewhere in the middle. Compromise does not mean that we give away the farm to get an ear of corn as compensation.
I say we always listen, I say we cooperate when it benefits the nation, and I propose we stand ready to resist with every bit of our being if our liberty and values are threatened.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:00:23am |
re: #107 Sharmuta
Sorry- I wouldn't elect a known crook.
Explain to me where I said elect a crook...
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westbankmama Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:00:49am |
Good morning from Israel.
An Israeli who works in the store next to mine just came in to "see how I was feeling the day after". He also says he knows an American expat who knew Obama in college, and she described him as "gurnisht mit gurnisht" - a Yiddish expression which basically means "nothing from nothing."
I guess "0" (zero) really is appropriate.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:01:22am |
re: #118 Atweber
hello faithful lizards from beautiful and amazing Kyoto. just spent the day in walking amazement of japan's history. there are over 17,000 shrines and temples here!
Ahhh . . . Kyoto! The Anagram Lover's Tokyo!
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:02:52am |
re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
You were talking about why they get away with stuff and we don't. That's because our side holds people accountable for their actions. Republicans would not elect a known crook like dems do.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:03:00am |
Here's something for all you lizards. Sharmuta, you could probably use it too. A little book called "Take Back Your Government" by Robert A. Heinlein. It's out of print now but there should be some copies around somewhere. Browse your used book stores, check your libraries. Some info maybe out of date, but not all of it.
/just doing my part. Posting in book links as well.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:03:22am |
re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Explain to me where I said elect a crook...
Okay, you're going back to my #87.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:03:47am |
re: #121 westbankmama
Good morning from Israel..
/come next January 20, sincerely fear for your safety, do you think Israel can stand alone against all comers?
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:04:37am |
re: #112 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
If it was a fair fight, I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The media will ignore the criminal behavior from the left because they figure whatever it takes for their side to win is okay.
That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.
They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.
The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:05:00am |
re: #114 TheMatrix31
Let's just drink some Kool-Aid!
YAY!
/adds everclear to the koolade......
how's that?
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Sylvester_T_Cat Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:05:50am |
re: #65 middlecon
I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?
I think it may have been changed to something like "until the next regular election", after a previous governor appointed his own daughter as U.S. Senator. Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) served the remainder of that term and has since been re-elected in her own right.
However long any possible appointee is going to serve, that person will still have the huge advantage of the incumbency when he or she first faces election. Doesn't exactly break my heart that it's going to be a Republican ;-).
Aside from that, there is a question in many Alaskans' minds whether Senator Stevens got a fair trial anyway. That juror who had to be replaced because she went AWOL to see a Horse Breeders' Cup or something in California, for example, wasn't exactly awe-inspiring.
/Official results are available online, but there's a but you may want to know about-- my understanding is that Alaskan absentee ballots will not be counted until Nov. 14. AK absentee ballots are valid if mailed by the date of the election, and the Dept of Elections is apparently waiting to do all 40K-60K (different sources) of them at once.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:06:07am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:08:18am |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:08:36am |
re: #123 Sharmuta
I'm not saying elect a crook. I'm saying that Senator Stevens was already on the ballot as the sitting Senator from Alaska. Was he convicted? Yes. What does the law say? It says until he is sentenced he is free to run for re-election. So if the people of Alaska re-elect him, he can serve until he is sentenced.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:09:18am |
re: #123 Sharmuta
You were talking about why they get away with stuff and we don't. That's because our side holds people accountable for their actions. Republicans would not elect a known crook like dems do.
Or elect one president.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:10:46am |
re: #126 Killian Bundy
There's an election coming up in Israel, too.
Israel's Labor Party seems to be (fortunately) disintegrating, although they still say crazy things like this:
Paz-Pines's Labor colleague, Education Minister Yuli Tamir, added that "Israel and the world cannot move in different directions. The world is going social-democratic and pursuing peace, so Israel cannot choose capitalism and defensive attitudes rejecting diplomatic dialogue."
I hope the Labor Party keeps disintegrating.
Israel's best hope is the Likud Party with additional hopes that Bibi Netanyahu will do the right things this time if he makes it back into the PM chair.
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J-LLatPoH Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:11:27am |
I saw a clip online from Oprah's show yesterday, with her practically falling all over herself for the man she helped elect.
[Link: www.black-and-right.com...]
My wife caught a bit of the nightline report Wednesday evening and saw reports of "jubilation" in Chicago... People crying, praising the new President-Elect.
Has the term "Obamagasm" been reserved in the lexicon yet? I wouldn't be surprised if cigarette sales skyrocketed Thursday.
J
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lummox Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:11:47am |
As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:14:25am |
Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.
The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.
I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.
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westbankmama Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:14:31am |
re: 126 Killian Bundy
Thanks for the concern. I think that the IDF has had emergency plans already made up. In a strange way I think it will be better for us to not be able to rely on another country to help us in our defense.
In any case, we have someone "upstairs" watching our back too!
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:15:04am |
re: #136 lummox
As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?
Obama has taken them to spread the avatar wealth among people who don't have computers.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:16:36am |
re: #136 lummox
As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?
The president-elect has decreed that avatars 150,000 bytes or bigger need to be redistributed to the avatar-less.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:17:49am |
re: #127 scion9
That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.
They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.
The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.
And that is my point. We cannot expect to get fair treatment as long as the MSM is 80-90% in the tank for the libs. Of course they'll overlook Obama's radicalism and worry about Gov. Palin's firing a state trooper who used a taser on his 10 year old step-son.
So we have to forget this "let's all get along" bullshit and go for their jugular.
If McCain had been running those commercials with Obama's Rev. Wright saying "God Damn America" and "US of KKK A" commercials for the last three months, he'd be President elect.
I'm sick and tired of us having to be nice, when every time we do it we get f*cked!
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:18:12am |
re: #138 westbankmama
re: 126 Killian Bundy
Thanks for the concern. I think that the IDF has had emergency plans already made up. In a strange way I think it will be better for us to not be able to rely on another country to help us in our defense.
In any case, we have someone "upstairs" watching our back too!
Good.
/because President Obama is going to let the phone ring and ring and ring . . .
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:18:22am |
re: #137 scion9
Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.
The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.
I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.
Most congressional districts are usually either easy Democrat wins or easy Republican wins, only a handful are truly competitive every 2 years. The entrenched incumbents get the money and the name recognition of being incumbants. Its a hard thing to do to knock off incumbants. Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:19:16am |
re: #140 Fenway_Nation
The president-elect has decreed that avatars 150,000 bytes or bigger need to be redistributed to the avatar-less.
Its going to be a long time until those jokes get old.
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Sylvester_T_Cat Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:22:56am |
re: #79 Killian Bundy
You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.
Alaska Republicans were aware that both Senator Stevens and US Representative Don Young had problems, and fielded serious challengers to both in the primary election this year. "Serious" as in the primary vote count was pretty danged close. It's that "incumbency" thing I mentioned earlier.
That's what you do if you're serious about building up a political party: Don't like the incumbent? Blow him away in the primary. If you can't do that, hold your nose and vote for him in the main election-- at least you've held his feet to the fire and he knows what will happen next time, if he doesn't get his act together. (If the other party wins, they'll hold the seat forever-- cf. Sen Patty Murray and Sen. Maria Cantvotewell, Ds-WA.)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:24:17am |
Heh....someone's Facebook "status update" reads as follows....
"........is going to celebrate the victory of OBAMA by going with her girls to see MADONNA (for free)"
Of course.....liberals love their free stuff!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:26:30am |
re: #137 scion9
Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.
The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.
I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.
The problem there is that there are 435 congressmen/women. And even if 90% of Americans think they suck, it's not their congresscritter that sucks, it's the other person's.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:26:48am |
re: #141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I agree, but going for the jugular needs to be done by people that aren't going to put themselves in the spotlight, have 'journalists' dig through their past to find out they are thoroughly corrupt. Those attacks dogs can't stick up for their fellow corruptocrats either. We need an Eliot Ness, and more than one really.
"Troopergate" didn't stick to Palin. What did was character assassination. Not everyone is going to be as susceptible to that kind of attack as a relatively young, relatively inexperienced politically (by the standards of career politicians), woman with a midwestern accent. The media spared no effort in smearing her, but they also had an easy job of it. Like certain other politicians in recent memory, she was more mockable than some.
Most of the partisan hacks on the Right have some of the same 'problems' as Palin. They are mockable. Any right-wing hack is going to be mocked, but the efficacy of being able to do so is what matters.
It is sad that politics have devolved so much into controlling image and message to such a degree, but such it is. The GOP leadership needs to understand this.
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little blessing Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:28:05am |
Can someone answer this for me?
Who is the "GOP leadership"?
{LGF}
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:28:13am |
re: #143 middlecon
Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.
Damn, I forgot to check.
/did he [expletive deleted] win?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:30:08am |
Thank you letters to Sarah Palin
You stay classy, koslings!
Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:32:27am |
re: #143 middlecon
Most congressional districts are usually either easy Democrat wins or easy Republican wins, only a handful are truly competitive every 2 years. The entrenched incumbents get the money and the name recognition of being incumbants. Its a hard thing to do to knock off incumbants. Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.
TERM LIMITS! Two terms in the House (4 years), and one in the Senate (6 years). And once you get out, you cannot be a lobbyist OR be related for 10 years.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:32:44am |
re: #151 scion9
He won in a landslide.
I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.
/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:33:39am |
Morning little blessing. Welcome to the War Room. ;)
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little blessing Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:34:14am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:34:20am |
Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:35:38am |
re: #153 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
TERM LIMITS! Two terms in the House (4 years), and one in the Senate (6 years). And once you get out, you cannot be a lobbyist OR be related for 10 years.
I'm all for term limits, the problem seems to be that too many politicians once elected 'change their mind' IE get power hungry and don't want to step down.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:36:15am |
It's starting to set in.
At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.
Now though.......
WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
AAARRRGGGHHH!
(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)
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shiplord kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:37:25am |
re: #149 little blessing
Can someone answer this for me?
Who is the "GOP leadership"?
{LGF}
(Looks around)
I think it's us.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:37:59am |
re: #156 little blessing
Figuring out how we can do it better next time. Rule one the enemy of my enemy is their enemy no more no less.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:38:13am |
re: #149 little blessing
Who is the "GOP leadership"?
Bush, Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Whip Roy Blunt and Deputy Whip Eric Cantor. Republican Conference chairman Adam Putnam will step down with Jeb Hensarling favored to replace him.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:38:24am |
re: #157 Sharmuta
Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.
Hillbuzz was always a little gossipy for me, not only did the PUMAs not show up, I think they were a myth. In Indiana at least, Obama got 13% of Republicans and McCain got 11% of Democrats. A wash.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:38:37am |
re: #157 Sharmuta
Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.
I was reading them on election night, and suddenly the whole site went "must log in" to read.
When it went back to an open-to-all mode, a few threads and a bunch of comments were gone.
A lot of the posters over there, both Dem and Rep, seem to think the whole thing was some sort of scam or fraud. Any ideas what that is about?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:39:11am |
re: #160 shiplord kirel
It's starting to set in.
At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.
Now though.......
WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
AAARRRGGGHHH!
(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)
I had my comment deleted meltdown last night.
/it started with "at least Carter was a naval officer . . ."
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:41:24am |
A few thoughts about Bambi's religious revival service and party after his election. From PJ media. A good read.
I suppose I got caught up in the emotion of the night due almost exclusively to the genuine and copious tears of black Americans. The ones I spoke to and interviewed were nearly speechless with joy. With a start, I realized something that had escaped me all these long months of writing and thinking about this race. For many African-Americans, this election was a spiritual event
It reminded me of a black church meeting. Everyone jumping up and down and feeling the ‘Spirit’. But the good feeling ended quickly when the world markets began looking into this new presidents desires for tax and spend and American isolation on the World Trade markets and NAFTA. Also his desires to withdraw American forces from Iraq and whatever else he plans to do in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Remember: “I will do whatever it takes to get Bin Laden.” When the market dropped almost ‘500′ points I knew then that we don’t have to worry about a Democrat controlled Congress or a Black president. The world is now out of any presidents or congressional control, go ask the president that is leaving office. Going back and trying to stop NAFTA or World Trade is impossible, we no longer have a manufacturing base. We have been sold to the cheapest bidder, China, India or wherever. Hell, even China stopped making Disney toys and Barbies for Christmas. What is Mattel planning to do?
In conclusion- anything Spiritual this president tries to do or use control against the markets will die in the World Trade of cold hard facts. And those poor black people that were crying and weeping for joy will wake up to the harsh reality that Mr. Obama is no Messiah or Moses, he will not ‘fill their gas tanks and make their mortgage payments,’ because the World Trade Markets and NAFTA wont let him,
go ask Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:41:29am |
re: #165 stevieray
A lot of the posters over there, both Dem and Rep, seem to think the whole thing was some sort of scam or fraud. Any ideas what that is about?
Maybe it was just one or two people doing the whole thing.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:42:39am |
re: #154 Killian Bundy
I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.
/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me
Easy, the same way he won an election. The military is just as political, only worse, because lives are directly at stake. Our CO in Iraq was a POS who tried to hang us out to dry more than once. He would fail to disseminate information, but would be first in line to tell us how bad we f-ked up when our lack of information got us in trouble. We finally learned to do our job and keep our mouths shut. As one NCO put it, "This country started going downhill the day Officers realized it's safe enough to get in a humvee and drive around."
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:43:00am |
re: #164 middlecon
PUMAs were not a myth- there is no was they could astroturf something that widespread. Dozens and dozens of blogs and posters. Big name hillary supports like Lynn Rothschild. No- pumas are real. Hopefully they'll reexamine their political thinking and stay away from the democrats.
The problem Tuesday is we did not get out our vote.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:43:14am |
re: #160 shiplord kirel
Now you see, your problem is in your genes. Me, I inherited a wicked sense of humor, peppered with centuries of Eastern European shtetl hardships, a smattering of Talmud/Torah, and an enhanced irony meter.
While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.
A couple hours of giggling and I'm happy to report that my equalibrium has returned.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:43:18am |
re: #160 shiplord kirel
It's starting to set in.
At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.
Now though.......
WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
AAARRRGGGHHH!
(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)
Hey, look at the bright side, he starts getting fully classified briefings today.
/think they'll tell him about the space aliens?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:44:55am |
re: #148 scion9
I agree, but going for the jugular needs to be done by people that aren't going to put themselves in the spotlight, have 'journalists' dig through their past to find out they are thoroughly corrupt. Those attacks dogs can't stick up for their fellow corruptocrats either. We need an Eliot Ness, and more than one really.
"Troopergate" didn't stick to Palin. What did was character assassination. Not everyone is going to be as susceptible to that kind of attack as a relatively young, relatively inexperienced politically (by the standards of career politicians), woman with a midwestern accent. The media spared no effort in smearing her, but they also had an easy job of it. Like certain other politicians in recent memory, she was more mockable than some.
Most of the partisan hacks on the Right have some of the same 'problems' as Palin. They are mockable. Any right-wing hack is going to be mocked, but the efficacy of being able to do so is what matters.
It is sad that politics have devolved so much into controlling image and message to such a degree, but such it is. The GOP leadership needs to understand this.
I'll answer you, but as soon as I'm done I'm outta here, since I'm not counting on, nor do I want Obama to pay my mortgage or for my gas.
The attacks against Sarah Palin had nothing to do with her age. John McCain got attacked because he was too old.
Palin was "Not experienced enough" to be Veep, even though she had run a state, yet Obama's qualifications were never questioned by the MSM.
Crap, I'm outta here. Hae a good night all
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:45:01am |
re: #168 Adina in Judea
Maybe it was just one or two people doing the whole thing.
I don't know. I only started checking it out a month ago... never got a chance to get a deep understanding of the place. First impressions can be misleading.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:45:03am |
re: #170 Sharmuta
Ok, but why don't any of the exit polls show that any larger number of usual Democrats voted for McCain? There might have been many PUMAs but they didn't add up to more than the usual Democratic support for the Republican candidate than any other year.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:46:27am |
re: #171 littleoldlady
While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.
They took it for granted and now it's going bye-bye.
A couple hours of giggling and I'm happy to report that my equalibrium has returned.
Waiting for that feeling myself!
Do you have an extra fruitcup?
You're the fruitcup provider, right?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:46:57am |
re: #165 stevieray
I saw some of that too. They still have folks calling them a scam. My comment this morning wasn't even about that, so I don't know why they didn't publish what I wrote. They don't get it- this election didn't cure them of liberalism like it did for other pumas.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:47:09am |
re: #175 middlecon
Maybe it was all ingrained reflex. They just voted the way they have always done? One explanation that would probably fit.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:47:27am |
Listen folks, this election, like most I've seen in my 50 years, came down to people's perception of the economy. Unless Obama is pretty centrists in his economic policy, which means controlling Pelosi et all, we should be able to elect whomever we choose to run in 2012. Maybe even gain some seats in the midterm elections. Just try and survive till then. I'm going to go back to the prison, those jobs should be pretty safe.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:47:38am |
re: #152 Sharmuta
I don't have it in me to wade through the Kos septic tank tonight. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of certain people insisting that I jettison most of my beliefs so that some RINOs can get elected somewhere down the line.
And frankly, the Dems starting with the president-elect on down can take their fucking faux-concilliatory bullshit and shove it. I resent them lumping me into some cluster of abstract category of boogeymen strawmen (Catholic, pro-free market, pro-2nd amendment, pro-military) that paints me as a greater existential threat to the continued well-being of the United States than the 19 hijackers who slammed fully fuelled commercial airliners into two skyscrapers and the Pentagon. Fuck them....and more to the point, fuck their little lapdogs and quislings in the MSM, blogosphere and campuses.
Once they chose to go down that road, there's no more shake-hands-and-play-nice with them afterwards.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:47:57am |
re: #175 middlecon
lol- the pumas I read planned to lie to the exit pollers.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:48:40am |
re: #180 Fenway_Nation
I don't have it in me to wade through the Kos septic tank tonight. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of certain people insisting that I jettison most of my beliefs so that some RINOs can get elected somewhere down the line.
What beliefs?
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little blessing Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:48:50am |
re: #163 Rancher
Thanks for answering. The only one I ever heard of is Bush.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:49:07am |
re: #176 Adina in Judea
Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.
redc1c4 provides the Special Edition No Pain version.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:49:40am |
re: #127 scion9
That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.
They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.
The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.
I think one could expect bias in an editorial - it's the straight news that always seems to bend left that bugs the hell out of me. I've laughed out loud at the sheer audacity of many an ABC News break on the radio.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:49:55am |
re: #179 Rancher
Unless Obama is pretty centrists in his economic policy, which means controlling Pelosi et all, we should be able to elect whomever we choose to run in 2012. Maybe even gain some seats in the midterm elections. Just try and survive till then.
Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?
It could be a long and scary four years.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:50:15am |
re: #169 logboy
safe enough to get in a humvee and drive around."
Was it "uparmored"?
/I realize that's a very sensitive question, but does it make any difference against Iranian shaped charges?
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:50:15am |
Sharmuta,
The comment(s) I posted at Hillbuzz took several hours to appear on the site.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:50:33am |
re: #184 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.
redc1c4 provides the Special Edition No Pain version.
Believe me you will want the no pain version.
/after a month of this I will start policing again. we will need all our marbles in the coming times ahead.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:50:49am |
re: #177 Sharmuta
Well, at least this election cured them of trusting the MSM. They will never go back to blindly believing what the TV tells them.
And I think most of them [the commenters] no longer see Republicans as pig-ignorant neanderthals... just as people with a different POV.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:50:57am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:05am |
re: #188 littleoldlady
I commented in the morning. Not there.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:19am |
re: #171 littleoldlady
"We'll vote for change! We'll change from grateful and free to enslaved and poor! We'll GET something for NOTHING! For the first time in 6,000 years of recorded history, we'll get SOMETHING for nothing more than a VOTE!
Tell us, Obama! What do we get?"
Enslavement, you fools! WE are your masters now, and only a revolution can free you! Bwahahahaha!
"Yaaay, thank you, Obama!"
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:25am |
re: #184 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.
Yay - it's 4:50am right now. :)
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:30am |
re: #171 littleoldlady
While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.
Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:51:32am |
I don't know what woke me up but, I could not get back to sleep. I'm tired but, my mind is going 90 m.p.h. and it's all bad. A buncha' ignorant people elected a communist to the White House.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:52:45am |
re: #186 Adina in Judea
Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?
It could be a long and scary four years.
Bozo hasn't even taken the reigns yet and the stock market already took a steep dive. So apparently everyone thinks we're screwed. I should have sold off when I had the chance.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:52:54am |
re: #141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
And that is my point. We cannot expect to get fair treatment as long as the MSM is 80-90% in the tank for the libs...
So we have to forget this "let's all get along" bullshit and go for their jugular...I'm sick and tired of us having to be nice, when every time we do it we get f*cked!
FUCKIN'-A RIGHT! Enough with our observing the Marquess of Queensbury rules while they bite our ankles and punch our kidneys! McCain took too much off the table. He should have known that the MSM were never going to expose Obamarx and his campaign should have been doing the research themselves and getting it all out there.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:53:07am |
re: #182 Sharmuta
The whole 'Social Conservative' thing....there was that Frum article up earlier implying that's what cost McCain the election.
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RTLM Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:53:35am |
re: #188 littleoldlady
Sharmuta,
The comment(s) I posted at Hillbuzz took several hours to appear on the site.
That happens to me a lot.
But they always manage to get up there.
(waves a-LOW-ha's)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:53:39am |
All I can say is....let's hope we're all wrong.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:53:48am |
re: #196 scion9
Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.
The sad thing is you could say we all did that in the 2000 and 2004 elections :( I respect Pres. Bush but he has grown the defecit unabated. :(
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:54:43am |
re: #201 Fenway_Nation
What do you think being a conservative means?
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Sylvester_T_Cat Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:54:48am |
re: #154 Killian Bundy
I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.
/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me
Imho: Almost all his career was Reserve. That's great, but there's a wrinkle: After WWII a lot of veterans became Congressmen but wanted to maintain military reserve membership. Naturally the military services wanted these Congressmen on their side. Each service set up special DC-area reserve units to make this possible. Some fine people like Sen. Goldwater irr were reservists in this manner. And one not-so-fine, perhaps.
/I would bet that almost all of Col. Murtha's promotions happened with political motives in mind. Don't guess we'll ever know for sure.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:55:02am |
re: #185 capitalist piglet
I think one could expect bias in an editorial - it's the straight news that always seems to bend left that bugs the hell out of me. I've laughed out loud at the sheer audacity of many an ABC News break on the radio.
I meant, that in editorials about broader media bias including in the news, they have admitted to being biased.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:55:36am |
re: #196 scion9
Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.
Children?! These kids can't think past their next kegger.
But the upside is that for the first time in many of their young lives they are finally going to understand the definition of the word CONSEQUENCES.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:55:40am |
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:55:55am |
re: #152 Sharmuta
Thank you letters to Sarah Palin
You stay classy, koslings!
Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.
I certainly did! Thanks for providing the link. I am going to provide the yin to that yang by sending a scathing letter of condemnation to O'Reilly.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:55:58am |
re: #197 MandyManners
I don't know what woke me up but, I could not get back to sleep. I'm tired but, my mind is going 90 m.p.h. and it's all bad. A buncha' ignorant people elected a communist to the White House.
Tuesday evening, I refused to learn the outcome of the election. I wanted one more night's sleep without knowing if the communist won.
I had the most political dreams of my life - all conservative and all good!
I don't remember them in detail, but I remember feeling very happy!
Then I woke and checked the news. I'm glad I had one last night without it.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:57:23am |
re: #204 middlecon
The sad thing is you could say we all did that in the 2000 and 2004 elections :( I respect Pres. Bush but he has grown the defecit unabated. :(
Yes, we certainly did. Redistributing wealth from the future to the present. However, I don't think anyone could have guessed that Bush was going to do that in 2000 based on his campaign, and come 2004 the issue was the war, not the economy.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:57:38am |
re: #207 scion9
I meant, that in editorials about broader media bias including in the news, they have admitted to being biased.
Oh, I'm sorry - I misinterpreted you.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:58:24am |
re: #205 Sharmuta
Clinging bitterly to guns and religion? Antipathy towards people not like them?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:58:39am |
Morning Mandy. I hope you don't have to many nights like this.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:58:40am |
re: #213 capitalist piglet
Oh, I'm sorry - I misinterpreted you.
Yeah. Rereading what I wrote, I can understand how it could be read that way.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:59:06am |
re: #205 Sharmuta
What do you think being a conservative means?
You eat one cookie now and save the other for later.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:59:11am |
re: #209 Moe Katz
Thanks, Moe! Some thoughts on Obama's seizure of presidency...
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:59:15am |
re: #186 Adina in Judea
Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?
It could be a long and scary four years.
When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.
Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.
If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 1:59:31am |
re: #217 logboy
You eat one fruitcup and save it for later.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:00:02am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:00:38am |
re: #7 middlecon
I'll give Obama a chance and hope he does well as President, I never want to be like the moonbats and openly hate an American President, life is too short.
I hated Jimmy Carter. How in the world is that moonbattish? I love this country and he did it almost irreparable damage.
And what exactly do we mean by "give Obama a chance," anyway? It's out of our hands now. But the man has spent his entire adult life serving a left-wing agenda, and I have no confidence whatsoever he even KNOWS any other way. His brain just doesn't work any other way. If "giving him a chance" means letting him implement even .01% of his stated Leftist agenda, then I hope he is ferociously opposed from day one.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:01:00am |
Correction: The site that demanded a log-on was Hillary Clinton Forum, not HillBuzz. Probably unimportant, but I just wanna set the record straight.
HillBuzz is the one with all of the accusations, though.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:01:20am |
re: #221 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!
Maybe four yeard of Red's fruitcup and I just might make it....
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:01:50am |
re: #219 ibmkeyboard
When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.
My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.
I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:01:56am |
re: #214 Fenway_Nation
Clinging bitterly to guns and religion? Antipathy towards people not like them?
Really?
To me, being a conservative means I believe in smaller government. I believe the government should be fiscally responsible and keep their nose out of my business.
You can cling to your Bible and guns all you want- the Constitution says so. But promoting a religious agenda is not what conservatism means to me and millions of other republicans.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:03:36am |
re: #183 little blessing
LOL, and he's leaving. GOP in tatters, looks to regroup
Nearly two dozen prominent conservatives planned to meet in Virginia on Thursday to try to chart a path going forward. A fight for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee is expected; several state party chiefs are maneuvering for the top national job even though Mike Duncan is said to want to stay in the post. And plenty of prospective White House hopefuls seem to be lining up for the chance to run against President-elect Obama in 2012.
McCain running mate Sarah Palin has signaled that she will remain on the national political scene. She says: "I'm not doing this for naught." Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who lost the nomination this year, has restarted his political action committee. And, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is heading to the leadoff caucus state of Iowa on Nov. 22 to deliver the keynote address to a conservative group. Any number of other Republicans may test the waters as well.
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Crux Australis Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:03:44am |
I have been thinking about the election and I believe that America made the wrong choice.
Australia is less secure economically and militarily- What of the Australia- US FTA? What about the military alliance?
And another thing I'm depressed about is the probability of never seeing Sarah Palin again. Not happy.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:03:47am |
re: #219 ibmkeyboard
When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.
I'm heading back to Israel in one more month. I think things will be ok there but I do tend to store up on non-perishable food anyway. It's my habit so that I don't end up needing to run out because the kitchen is empty.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:03:56am |
re: #221 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!
If you have any left over can I put it in a freezer bag and store it at home.
ha.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:03:59am |
Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. We can always count on you.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:04:07am |
re: #222 Tigger2005
I'm just saying I'm not going to root for a President to fail based only on political differences. If Obama is the country's greatest President (extremely unlikely I know) I don't want to be pouting about political differences. I want to see him succeed not fail. Country first as John McCain would say.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:04:12am |
re: #152 Sharmuta
Thank you letters to Sarah Palin
You stay classy, koslings!
Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.
Oops, this isn't the link I picked up in the other thread! That one was for emailing Gov. Palin. Sorry, I won't wade through the muck at that site. I'm fresh out of tomato juice so I'll never get the skunk stench out.
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infidel4ever Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:05:17am |
re: #44 xop1
This made me laugh - it's from the blog of Margot Wallstrom, Vice President of the European Commission. Her posting is so devoid of rational thought, so mind-numbingly naive that it almost comes across as retarded. The scary bit is that this is what passes for enlightened thinking amongst European politicians.
"Hurried up to watch early TV-news this morning and cheered together with my youngest son for Barack Obama’s over-whelming victory!
YES – there are huge problems ahead of him and the USA,
YES – expectations may be too high,
YES – he will probably face dangers of all kinds,
YES – he is rather inexperienced and young,
YES – he might be tempted to take protectionist measures,BUT – he embodies CHANGE!
He has mobilized young people, poor people, the Afro-American population.
He signals a willingness to co-operate – including with the EU on climate change and HE is clearly intelligent, hard working and well organised,
He managed to get people off the couch, to donate money and to engage in the local campaign activities"
[Link: blogs.ec.europa.eu...]Yes, really.
Saw a Dutch guy on tv today who is/was a correspondent for the Dutch media in the States for years. He enthused about Obama because his twelve year old son said: "Obama's victory brought tears to my eyes." Wow, that man inspires everybody, even my twelve year old! Good grief. The guy also thought that Obama needs to tackle the environmental problems first.
Does anybody know what they put in the water nowadays?
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:05:40am |
Alright all, I need sleep. I get to wrestle with the VA over my disability rating tomorrow (today). They gave me a temporary rating of 100% instead of a permanent rating. Apparently there is a possibility my right arm and the large portion of my left hand that were blown off might grow back. Whodathunkit?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:05:40am |
re: #211 Adina in Judea
Tuesday evening, I refused to learn the outcome of the election. I wanted one more night's sleep without knowing if the communist won.
I had the most political dreams of my life - all conservative and all good!
I don't remember them in detail, but I remember feeling very happy!
Then I woke and checked the news. I'm glad I had one last night without it.
I wish I could've done that but The Kid had an assignment about it and we had to watch television. My dreams that night included one in which George Soros told me that he really didn't want CBBHO to win and invited me to his weekend place for some fishing as a way of apologizing.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:06:21am |
re: #226 Sharmuta
Really?
To me, being a conservative means I believe in smaller government. I believe the government should be fiscally responsible and keep their nose out of my business.
You can cling to your Bible and guns all you want- the Constitution says so. But promoting a religious agenda is not what conservatism means to me and millions of other republicans.
So the government is gonna get smaller over the next 4 years? Interesting....
I never said promoting a religious agenda was important to me, but is it really wise for 'conservatives' to go out of their way to start looking down on religion the same manner as so many libs do?
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:06:25am |
re: #228 Crux Australis
I have been thinking about the election and I believe that America made the wrong choice.
Ya think?
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:07:08am |
re: #225 middlecon
My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.
I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.
8 years, but with a lot of republicans in the house and senate for a lot of that time period, remember?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:07:32am |
re: #187 Killian Bundy
Was it "uparmored"?
/I realize that's a very sensitive question, but does it make any difference against Iranian shaped charges?
Okay, I'll attempt to answer my own question. I think it hardly matters.
/stop putting troops in HUMVEES in red zones
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:08:25am |
re: #236 infidel4ever
Does anybody know what they put in the water nowadays?
I'm getting a Jonestown vibe....
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:08:26am |
re: #142 Killian Bundy
Good.
/because President Obama is going to let the phone ring and ring and ring . . .
We aren't fighting a war where there's going to be any ringing phones; a nuclear ladder; any warnings.
One second a city will be there, the next it won't. Or maybe some will get news of people flopping around like fish-out-of-water will burst into the news - but we won't know why, from where or from whom.
With Obama's finger steady on the 'Dialog Button' a lot of good that's gunna do.
Rosy thoughts.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:09:44am |
re: #225 middlecon
My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.
I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.
What if he and his comrades in Congress bankrupt and destroy coal? Pursue other disastrous policies to further their green agenda, which is just another Communist tool?
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:10:13am |
re: #225 middlecon
My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.
I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.
I have already been told that within two years we can no longer buy food storage items from a main supplier. He will not be able to support his employees under Obamas tax and spend health care plans.
I believe in being prepared and you believe in slow growth.
Without food,
I promise you slow growth.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:10:24am |
De rien, y'all!
Another point of irony...if Barney Frank manages to get his 25% cut in the defense budget, one can only wonder how much of that will be coming out of our European presence.
SOMEBODY'S gonna have to start paying for their own security.
Those Europeans are going to really love America then!
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:10:45am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:10:45am |
re: #239 Fenway_Nation
Just because I think my political party should promote a religious agenda doesn't mean I'm looking down on religion.
And no- the government is not going to get smaller in the next four years. Where did I say that? I said that's what being a conservative means to me- smaller, less intrusive government. I realize this is touchy for some people, but we have to find some consensus here. Fiscal conservatives are pissed, and we're not going to win elections with republicans spending money like democrats. That's why we've been losing.
That line in the sand I mentioned before? This is my line. Fiscal restraint. If we cross it, we stand for nothing.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:11:06am |
Just from an emergency preparedness point of view stocking up on food and medicine is a good idea. In a high inflation environment, which is where we are going, it makes even more sense. If you buy a basket of goods with today's dollars that will be worth allot more in the future then you have in effect realized a gain on your investment, and it's tax free.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:11:18am |
re: #238 MandyManners
My dreams that night included one in which George Soros told me that he really didn't want CBBHO to win and invited me to his weekend place for some fishing as a way of apologizing.
He should have promised to donate a billion dollars to the Repubs in 2012! :)
I'll work on having that dream.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:11:38am |
And I sure wonder how many of the DUMBASSES who voted for Obama are having second thoughts already. I thought I might feel better today. I don't. Last night I had a painfully stiff neck, and I'm pretty sure it was psychological. I had to go to bed early. Right now I have a heavy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I can't think of a single good thing that might come out of an Obama Presidency. Not one.
I am sick of reading the people saying "No one voted for McCain/Palin, they voted against Obama." I damn well DID vote FOR McCain/Palin, and I'm proud of it. I had confidence in McCain to do the right thing on national security matters. I have not an ounce of confidence in Obama to do a single right thing on that issue. He simply won't. He's incapable of it. Let's face it, people. There's no hope of such a thing happening. This isn't even a Chamberlain we've got here ... even Chamberlain grew a spine at the last minute. This is a Carter at an even more critical and dangerous point in history.
We are facing a very scary four years, if we make it that far.
Sorry I can't find any silver lining in any of this.
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westbankmama Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:11:58am |
re: 154 Killian, the Jews who voted for Obama are more left-wing than Jewish. The Orthodox Jews are right wing and almost always vote Republican.
re: 160 Shiplord - In Israel we say "ani mishtatef im tza'archa" to someone who has lost a loved one. It means "I participate in your pain" or in plainer English I sympathize.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:13:58am |
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:14:15am |
re: #247 ibmkeyboard
Without food,
I promise you slow growth.
This is the part where Obambi will make everyone skinny.
Those of us who are already skinny will really need to hoard food!
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:14:32am |
re: #241 logboy
8 years, but with a lot of republicans in the house and senate for a lot of that time period, remember?
So without Republicans in the house and senate under Clinton there would have been a financial calamity and food shortages?
America has been through so much, one bad President is not enough to ruin this great country of ours.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:15:55am |
re: #187 Killian Bundy
Was it "uparmored"?
/I realize that's a very sensitive question, but does it make any difference against Iranian shaped charges?
I'm living proof uparmored doesn't necessarily mean shit. My humvee was hit on my side by an Iranian made EFP, or Explosive Formed Projectile, while leading a convoy through Baghdad. It came through my window, traveled directly in front of my face, taking my right arm and a large portion of my left hand off in the process.
They caught the guy two weeks later when he set off another one. He was an Iranian Weapons Expert operating in that section of Baghdad. My colonel said he killed over 20 soldiers before they caught him. I guess I was one of the lucky ones.
Please no sympathy posts, I'm really tired of hearing them. As my DS used to say, "If you want sympathy, its in the dictionary between shit and syphilis."
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:16:20am |
I look forward to finally being svelte.
/what I'm going to do with talloldman and his bony butt...I haven't a clue. ;-)
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:16:53am |
re: #255 Fenway_Nation
Then quit thinking you're a soc-con and deal with being a small governemnt conservative.
I think we lost because fia-cons are pissed, many stayed home. But if we are not a party of fiscal restraint, we are done. People do not want religion and politics being mixed together. God love them, really- I mean it, but the religious conservatives need to realize they're hurting us when they promote religion as the benchmark of conservatism. It's the furthest thing from it.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:17:29am |
re: #257 middlecon
So without Republicans in the house and senate under Clinton there would have been a financial calamity and food shortages?
America has been through so much, one bad President is not enough to ruin this great country of ours.
Clinton was not a Communist.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:17:48am |
re: #256 Adina in Judea
This is the part where Obambi will make everyone skinny.
Those of us who are already skinny will really need to hoard food!
ha.
I will finally be able to get rid of that 40 lbs of lard ass I carry.
/sorry for the A$$ remark.
Obama will have his own presidential fitness program,
NO FOOD
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:18:58am |
re: #258 logboy
Sorry, EFP is Explosive Formed Penetrator. I'm too tired to be typing right now.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:19:36am |
re: #261 MandyManners
Clinton was not a Communist.
Ok maybe Obama is a communist in his head...but do you really think he's going to govern as a Communist? Completely collectivize the state in 4 years? Is that his real plan?
The guy is straight out of the DNC playbook, he has no new ideas, he will do what he is told by the DNC. As far as I know they don't publicize their communist leanings.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:20:15am |
re: #262 ibmkeyboard
Obama will have his own presidential fitness program,
NO FOOD
Well, he did say awhile back that Americans couldn't expect to keep homes at 72 degrees and eat whatever is wanted while expecting the world to say it's ok.
I guess the world has nixed the food thing altogether.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:21:21am |
re: #180 Fenway_Nation
I do agree that the 'social conservative' angle being pushed by Frum and others is a boogie man right now. I'm an east coast, non-socially conservative, more libertarian leaning fellow, but I honestly don't see how social conservative issues hurt McCain at all.
The issues that matter most to that group were barely touched upon this election, and when they were it was hardly controversial. Both Biden and Palin came out as against gay marriage. Obama and McCain to the best of my knowledge never touched it. On the pro-life front, it looks like McCain actually gained ground with Catholic voters.
The propoganda surrounding pro-life issues needs to be disregarded. I live in a very urbane, relatively affluent area in a blue state. Maybe in the SF Bay Area people think you should be tossing crying infants into trash cans like Barack Obama, but even here people aren't big on abortion.
Pro-life is gaining ground in Democrat/liberal circles, and there isn't any valid data showing it losing ground in Republican circles. It is a winning issue. "Reproductive Rights" doesn't resonate with the man and women on the street. The moniker of pro-choice being abandoned, and defining abortion as a Civil Right is the new battleground. The ability to 'choose' isn't resonating so the language is being changed. Maybe the meme will spread, maybe it won't but that a new slogan is needed to continue the issue means that they are on the run in this particular arena.
The media continually thumps on about how illegal immigration is not an issue to, but the issue resonates heavily with both Dems and Republicans. It might not be the only issue that decides their votes, but there is an active campaign on part of both parties and the media to sideline this issue, and paint America as being past the discussion.
The do the same thing with pro-life/pro-choice debates.
I'd say that, despite the turnout for prop 8, and similar victories in Arizona and Florida that gay marriage is a losing issue for Republicans. If they really wanted to claim a stake, they should be battling the concept of State Marriage from a libertarian stance. Strict seperation of the State from the Church.
A lot of the gay marriage as a Civil Right is really posturing by the Dems, in order to attack churches for violation of Civil Rights, redefining traditionalist Churches as being bigoted for sticking to their theology (while meanwhile giving Rev. Wright et al a pass) in not marrying gay couples. LBJs 501c3 laws were meant to bring the religious institutions under the government yolk. With enough activist judges to not rule mandatory 501c3 blanket status to Churches as unconstitutional, effectively the government would be able to tax Churches that didn't conform to their standards, making non-conformity a finable offense for all practical purposes.
That is the ground that Republicans need to take. Less government intervention; not a stance of the right kind of government intervention. Leave marriage in the Church, and then let married couples all get a civil union for tax, inheritance, and other legal benefits. It would essentially end the issue.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:21:45am |
re: #258 logboy
Thank YOU for your service, and Google "Not just another pretty face" sometime. He didn't want sympathy either, and that's GOOD!
:D
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:21:46am |
re: #261 MandyManners
Yes he was a philanderer and unrepentant skirt chaser, but he did not associate with old terrorists or attend churches that racists preached in for 20 years.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:23:45am |
re: #257 middlecon
So without Republicans in the house and senate under Clinton there would have been a financial calamity and food shortages?
America has been through so much, one bad President is not enough to ruin this great country of ours.
You're mixing apples and oranges (Slick Willy vs Bozo). While Bozo is concerned with redistributing the wealth, Clinton was concerned with how he was going get into an intern's oval office. At least thats how I see it.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:23:56am |
re: #258 logboy
I'm living proof uparmored doesn't necessarily mean shit.
I didn't mean that to be a sympathy post. I just wanted to confirm that uparmoring HUMVEES is pretty much a waste of time.
/it's a glorified jeep, doesn't belong in direct combat without heavy support
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:23:57am |
re: #264 logboy
Sorry, EFP is Explosive Formed Penetrator. I'm too tired to be typing right now.
Please no sympathy posts, I'm really tired of hearing them. As my DS used to say, "If you want sympathy, its in the dictionary between shit and syphilis."
lol
My DI used to say: You want mama, You feel like crying?
Get down on your frigging faces and give me 100 push ups,
most of us were weeping when we got up.
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Fearless Fred Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:23:58am |
re: #250 Sharmuta
Just because I think my political party should promote a religious agenda doesn't mean I'm looking down on religion.
And no- the government is not going to get smaller in the next four years. Where did I say that? I said that's what being a conservative means to me- smaller, less intrusive government. I realize this is touchy for some people, but we have to find some consensus here. Fiscal conservatives are pissed, and we're not going to win elections with republicans spending money like democrats. That's why we've been losing.
That line in the sand I mentioned before? This is my line. Fiscal restraint. If we cross it, we stand for nothing.
We can still stand for reducing this (below) in the world ... or for trying to eliminate it entirely. But isn't that a sort of a good type of moral busybodying? . . . Stoning victim 'begged for mercy'
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:24:04am |
re: #265 middlecon
Ok maybe Obama is a communist in his head...but do you really think he's going to govern as a Communist? Completely collectivize the state in 4 years? Is that his real plan?
The guy is straight out of the DNC playbook, he has no new ideas, he will do what he is told by the DNC. As far as I know they don't publicize their communist leanings.
He's the Weathermen Candidate, primarily. They're very Communist.
There's a TV show called "Prison Break." I don't really watch it but I've seen it on when others have been watching it. A powerful man made the statement to someone in the program, "We will rebuild America in our own image."
I called out, "IS HE CHANNELING OBAMBI?!?!?"
It sounded like Obambi, anyway.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:25:10am |
re: #269 shanec99
Yes he was a philanderer and unrepentant skirt chaser, but he did not associate with old terrorists or attend churches that racists preached in for 20 years.
It's funny you bring it up. Some people completely fail to see how long time associations could shape someone's ideology and affect the way one would govern in a situation. I had someone putting words in my mouth last night, telling me "So what youre saying is that Obama is a terrorist", etc.
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yochanan Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:25:17am |
re: #258 logboy
how is the hard wood going?
i noticed you were into wood work as well as lumberjack sports as I am very much into wood carving would love to see your work.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:25:43am |
re: #261 MandyManners
Clinton was not a Communist.
Yeah, and he definitely was not a protectionist. He strongly defended and promoted free trade, at considerable political cost to himself, because he knew it was the best thing for our economy. The anti-globalization protests were SAVAGE during the Clinton administration, but he didn't give in to them.
In fact, I was absolutely furious at President Bush when, during the first few months of his administration, he slapped a tariff on steel imports, I think to help a Republican in PA win a Senate seat or the governorship or some such. What the fuck? It was such a blatant betrayal of conservative principles. Now, I've gained some respect for Bush since then, but it shocked me that he, a supposed conservative, would do such a thing.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:25:56am |
re: #265 middlecon
Ok maybe Obama is a communist in his head...but do you really think he's going to govern as a Communist? Completely collectivize the state in 4 years? Is that his real plan?
The guy is straight out of the DNC playbook, he has no new ideas, he will do what he is told by the DNC. As far as I know they don't publicize their communist leanings.
Where in the world have you been for the past six months? CBBHO is all about pursuing policies that will weaken this nation.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:26:29am |
re: #270 logboy
You're mixing apples and oranges (Slick Willy vs Bozo). While Bozo is concerned with redistributing the wealth, Clinton was concerned with how he was going get into an intern's oval office. At least thats how I see it.
Isn't that the oval orifice?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:27:13am |
re: #269 shanec99
Yes he was a philanderer and unrepentant skirt chaser, but he did not associate with old terrorists or attend churches that racists preached in for 20 years.
It's pretty sad that I'm remembering his presidency with relative fondness.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:27:28am |
re: #276 yochanan
how is the hard wood going?
i noticed you were into wood work as well as lumberjack sports as I am very much into wood carving would love to see your work.
I built all the furniture in my apartment before I left for Iraq. Hit me up another time on here and I'll show you photos.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:27:53am |
re: #267 scion9
Abortion rates have dropped- all without any change in Roe. It polls consistently at 50-50 roughly. It's nothing but a divisive issue better left to states and that's where the republicans should leave it.
Frum was both right and wrong. I don't think the soc-cons cost us this election. It was fiscal conservatives- we're sick of the spending like drunken sailors. But Frum was right that the religious right hurts our case. When polled on issues, Americans come up right of center. We don't need to wave Bibles at them to get them to agree with us on more social minded issues, but waving a Bible at them is a good way to get a lot of them to tune us out completely.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:28:00am |
re: #274 Adina in Judea
He's the Weathermen Candidate, primarily. They're very Communist.
There's a TV show called "Prison Break." I don't really watch it but I've seen it on when others have been watching it. A powerful man made the statement to someone in the program, "We will rebuild America in our own image."
I called out, "IS HE CHANNELING OBAMBI?!?!?"
It sounded like Obambi, anyway.
I think yes Obama believes in far left stuff, he's a liberal Democrat, however, I truly believe as I guess goes against the feelings of this board, that he's not going to govern as an actual Communist.
Call me naive.
He will another Jimmy Carter not Chairman Mao.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:28:20am |
re: #273 Fearless Fred
Well, of course, Fred! She was a raped 13-year old, so they HAD TO STONE HER TO DEATH!
/its Sharia, after all...
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:28:25am |
re: #271 Killian Bundy
I didn't mean that to be a sympathy post. I just wanted to confirm that uparmoring HUMVEES is pretty much a waste of time.
/it's a glorified jeep, doesn't belong in direct combat without heavy support
Listen guys uparmored hummers were not the perfect solution, but people should remember that in OIF I the hummers had canvass doors and thin plastic sheeting in the place of windows. Any kind of small arm could pass through the skin.
Up-armoured hummers were an interim attempt to address a problem until we could get a more acceptable solution.
Believe me, up armore saved lives, they were not perfect, but they were better than what we had before.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:28:45am |
re: #280 MandyManners
re: #269 shanec99
Yes he was a philanderer and unrepentant skirt chaser, but he did not associate with old terrorists or attend churches that racists preached in for 20 years.
It's pretty sad that I'm remembering his presidency with relative fondness.
Yeah.
The prospects of Hillary in 2008 seem like a relatively fond memory now, too.
It's very sad.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:28:57am |
re: #277 Tigger2005
Yeah, and he definitely was not a protectionist. He strongly defended and promoted free trade, at considerable political cost to himself, because he knew it was the best thing for our economy. The anti-globalization protests were SAVAGE during the Clinton administration, but he didn't give in to them.
In fact, I was absolutely furious at President Bush when, during the first few months of his administration, he slapped a tariff on steel imports, I think to help a Republican in PA win a Senate seat or the governorship or some such. What the fuck? It was such a blatant betrayal of conservative principles. Now, I've gained some respect for Bush since then, but it shocked me that he, a supposed conservative, would do such a thing.
What was Pres. Bush's rationale?
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:29:38am |
re: #278 MandyManners
Where in the world have you been for the past six months? CBBHO is all about pursuing policies that will weaken this nation.
I absolutely disagree with Obama's policies, I haven't seen any evidence he's going to govern as a communist, far left liberal absolutely. Communist, no.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:29:50am |
re: #232 middlecon
I'm just saying I'm not going to root for a President to fail based only on political differences. If Obama is the country's greatest President (extremely unlikely I know) I don't want to be pouting about political differences. I want to see him succeed not fail. Country first as John McCain would say.
What exactly do you want him to succeed at accomplishing, based on what his stated goals are? Higher taxes? Total disarmament? Fundamentally changing our country? What? I wish him TOTAL failure if he plans on following through with any of them. I fail to see how wanting him to succeed in destroying this nation is in any way putting "country first."
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:29:51am |
re: #272 ibmkeyboard
Get down on your frigging faces and give me 100 push ups,
most of us were weeping when we got up.
On my last PT test I banged out 85 pushups in a little over a minute. I had almost a minute left to watch everyone else. Situps? Now thats another story.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:29:55am |
re: #273 Fearless Fred
Oh good....are these the same Somalis that have that Ukranian freighter full of Russian military hardware that they hijacked?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:30:06am |
re: #273 Fearless Fred
We can still stand for reducing this (below) in the world ... or for trying to eliminate it entirely. But isn't that a sort of a good type of moral busybodying? . . . Stoning victim 'begged for mercy'
NO- I have the right to my morals so long as I'm not infringing on others. I want you and President Government and lefties and fundies and everyone to leave me alone!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:30:41am |
re: #283 middlecon
I think yes Obama believes in far left stuff, he's a liberal Democrat, however, I truly believe as I guess goes against the feelings of this board, that he's not going to govern as an actual Communist.
Call me naive.
He will another Jimmy Carter not Chairman Mao.
I tend to agree, just because I like to be a bit optimistic sometimes, and I hope that we're all wrong here. Then again, another Jimmy Carter in an infinitely more pressing time could be DISASTROUS.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:30:47am |
re: #283 middlecon
I think yes Obama believes in far left stuff, he's a liberal Democrat, however, I truly believe as I guess goes against the feelings of this board, that he's not going to govern as an actual Communist.
Obambi is so vain that he may spend most of the next four years getting people to fawn over him more than doing anything.
As disgusting as that would be - it would be preferable to doing communist stuff.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:31:06am |
re: #264 logboy
Sorry, EFP is Explosive Formed Penetrator. I'm too tired to be typing right now.
/yep, shaped charge, very bad, and Iran is providing them while we watch it happen
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:31:20am |
re: #286 Adina in Judea
Yeah.
The prospects of Hillary in 2008 seem like a relatively fond memory now, too.
It's very sad.
I muttered that to my mom yesterday. But, would Clinton have been able to whip up the unemployed, inner-city voters?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:31:34am |
re: #286 Adina in Judea
Yeah.
The prospects of Hillary in 2008 seem like a relatively fond memory now, too.
It's very sad.
It's all a matter of perspective. Anyone remember the Sean Hannity stop Hillary Express. Do you regret it now? LOL.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:31:54am |
re: #282 Sharmuta
Abortion rates have dropped- all without any change in Roe. It polls consistently at 50-50 roughly. It's nothing but a divisive issue better left to states and that's where the republicans should leave it.
I couldn't agree more.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:31:57am |
This is right on the money:
RedState: Karl Rove Has Been Vindicated
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:33:00am |
re: #297 Sharmuta
The problem with islam is the lack of individual rights.
I think that there is no concept of the individual at all in Islam. It's like Communism on blotter acid.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:33:56am |
re: #288 middlecon
I absolutely disagree with Obama's policies, I haven't seen any evidence he's going to govern as a communist, far left liberal absolutely. Communist, no.
So you think there is some kind of REAL DIFFERENCE between a 'far left liberal' and a 'Communist'?
Do tell...
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:33:59am |
re: #302 MandyManners
I think that there is no concept of the individual at all in Islam. It's like Communism on blotter acid.
That's a great analogy.
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flutesnoot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:34:09am |
Our current premier of Ontario, up hyah in Canada, vowed to put an end to coal-fired plants in the province by 2007, when he was campaigning in 2003. When he came into office, the government extended the deadline by two years, but recently pushed it back further to 2014.
During our recent election, the leader of the national green party, who is coincidentally as crazy as Cynthia McKinney, promised to not only close all coal plants, but also our nuclear plants. The green party, not surprisingly, came in dead last.
What the hell are these people smoking?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:34:11am |
re: #300 littleoldlady
I couldn't agree more.
And that was Sen McCain's position, and see where it got him.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:34:40am |
We usually buy in bulk because cheap food, i.e. Wallmart and Sam's club, is a hundred miles away. Andrew Tobias, author of The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need, offers the following suggestions for saving money:
Buy in bulk. Join Sam's Club or Costco and buy mouthwash, toilet paper, tuna, and everything else you use regularly in bulk. Tobias figures if you lay out $1,000 a year for $1,400 worth of stuff, that's a 40% return on your money (tax free).
Charles Revson, the late cosmetics tycoon, bought his mouthwash by the case. ... he did better investment-wise than he ever did in the stock market.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:35:07am |
re: #282 Sharmuta
Abortion rates have dropped- all without any change in Roe. It polls consistently at 50-50 roughly. It's nothing but a divisive issue better left to states and that's where the republicans should leave it.
So, abortion rates have dropped, and Republicans should adopt "Reproductive Rights" as part of their platform?
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:35:52am |
re: #289 I heart the USA
What exactly do you want him to succeed at accomplishing, based on what his stated goals are? Higher taxes? Total disarmament? Fundamentally changing our country? What? I wish him TOTAL failure if he plans on following through with any of them. I fail to see how wanting him to succeed in destroying this nation is in any way putting "country first."
Well I'm an American citizen and I want to see my country succeed, whether the President belongs to my political party or not. I'm totally against higher taxes but they will be the same as they were in the 90s, and less than they were in the 70s.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:36:20am |
re: #310 shanec99
And that was Sen McCain's position, and see where it got him.
Do you think that's why he lost?
This was a referendum against Bush, voted upon by an uninformed electorate, made more so by an uninforming media.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:36:56am |
re: #315 littleoldlady
Do you think that's why he lost?
This was a referendum against Bush, voted upon by an uninformed electorate, made more so by an uninforming media.
Part of his loss came from the economy
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:37:06am |
re: #310 shanec99
Please- do tell us how abortion was the decisive factor in the election.
You want to know why McCain lost? Fiscal conservatives hate him after the bailout. Soc-cons hate him for the gang of 14. He's a hard moderate. He has some good points, but I wasn't sold on him until the convention. I was pro-Sarah immediately.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:37:35am |
re: #295 Adina in Judea
Obambi is so vain that he may spend most of the next four years getting people to fawn over him more than doing anything.
As disgusting as that would be - it would be preferable to doing communist stuff.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:37:37am |
re: #306 Karridine
So you think there is some kind of REAL DIFFERENCE between a 'far left liberal' and a 'Communist'?
Do tell...
Are you serious here? Hmmm....well you have a communist administration in North Korea...not pretty.
Far left liberal you can look at places like Sweden/Norway....the 'perfect' kind of places that liberals like to point to.
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:38:18am |
re: #312 Sharmuta
You haven't been reading LGF, huh?
I've read LGF everyday for the last 6 months, at least. I just have independent opinions, right or wrong.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:38:42am |
re: #283 middlecon
I think yes Obama believes in far left stuff, he's a liberal Democrat, however, I truly believe as I guess goes against the feelings of this board, that he's not going to govern as an actual Communist.
Call me naive.
He will another Jimmy Carter not Chairman Mao.
Yeah, he's going to govern as Jimmy Carter X2.
God, so many bad decisions for him to make, every day, any one of which can lead to disaster of one kind of another, collectively to a perfect shitstorm/nightmare. Raise taxes ... roll back NAFTA ... continue failed mortgage policies ... no offshore drilling or coal or nuclear power ... cut defense ... send signals of weakness and indecision to enemies and allies alike, encouraging arms races and adventurism ...
Oh, and another thing, I'm SICK of people blaming McCain's loss on McCain, Sarah, or their campaign. The blame falls squarely on the 52% of the American people who voted for Obama, and those Republicans and Independents who stayed home instead of voting McCain/Palin. McCain should have won even if he ran his campaign out of an ice cream truck. A large number of them clearly couldn't be bothered to find out the facts about the people running for office. They made a very dumb, impulsive choice, which they are going to regret forever.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:38:58am |
re: #315 littleoldlady
This was a referendum against Bush, voted upon by an uninformed electorate, made more so by an uninforming media.
...and $600 million from who knows where.
Obambi didn't get it from the people who expect money from him now, that's for sure. There may be some dictators out there who have several hundred millions less in pocket change, though. We'll never know.
Kinda horrifying, isn't it?
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:39:29am |
re: #289 I heart the USA
What exactly do you want him to succeed at accomplishing, based on what his stated goals are? Higher taxes? Total disarmament? Fundamentally changing our country? What? I wish him TOTAL failure if he plans on following through with any of them. I fail to see how wanting him to succeed in destroying this nation is in any way putting "country first."
Can I have an AH-men.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:39:48am |
re: #315 littleoldlady
Do you think that's why he lost?
This was a referendum against Bush, voted upon by an uninformed electorate, made more so by an uninforming media.
Absolutely. Coupled with the conclusions we came to that the reason Bush is hated is because of Florida in 2000 and sticking to his convictions no matter what, and there's your reasoning.
re: #316 shanec99
Part of his loss came from the economy
Yes, and the media and he himself failed on getting the clear message about who exactly was to blame for the economic situation.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:40:07am |
re: #313 scion9
So, abortion rates have dropped, and Republicans should adopt "Reproductive Rights" as part of their platform?
WTF? Where did I say that? It's a state's right issue. Roe is bad judicial law. Do you know how many women don't know that? I have to explain it to them all the time. Overturning Roe would not make abortion illegal, yet it's used as a club to beat our party and keeps women away.
This issue is best handled by the states and the religious community.
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yochanan Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:40:28am |
re: #292 Sharmuta
marriage should not be the govt bus. one way or the other.
why should a single person pay a different tax rate than a married person?
frankly in my view since marriage is most offen taken from religious values and each religion and sub groups within those different religions have different beliefs it really isn't the govt job to pick one religions ideas and make them state policy. For example the Jewish idea on devoice is totally different than the Christian idea what if Christians were forced to accept the idea of having to get a 'get' before they could remarry after a devoice? or another example the whole idea of polygamy which is supported by Islam, parts of the Mormon faith and even some safardic Jews.
i personally could careless if gays want to get married as long as i am not forced to accept it. and that is the rub.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:40:56am |
re: #313 scion9
To elaborate, with the current social winds blowing in the direction of both liberals and conservatives coming out against abortion, at least to the degree that the democrats push it with abortion available on the due date, why wouldn't you pursue an issue that resonates currently with 50% of the population and growing?
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middlecon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:41:34am |
re: #326 Sharmuta
Do you click the links.....?
I read every post and most of the comments, that doesn't mean I have to agree with EVERY link/comment/etc.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:41:54am |
re: #315 littleoldlady
Do you think that's why he lost?
This was a referendum against Bush, voted upon by an uninformed electorate, made more so by an adoring media.
p
Part of his loss came from the economy.
Part from the unhappiness with Republicans in general and the President in particular.
Part was because he was outspent in the media and the media's love fest with the President elect.
But a big part of it was the fact that the good Senator was too nice, he never really started to gain traction until Gov Palin came on board and started to fight and energize the base.
Compromising with a bully when you should be punching him in the mouth is a recipe for being bullied over and over again.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:42:46am |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Please- do tell us how abortion was the decisive factor in the election.
You want to know why McCain lost? Fiscal conservatives hate him after the bailout. Soc-cons hate him for the gang of 14. He's a hard moderate. He has some good points, but I wasn't sold on him until the convention. I was pro-Sarah immediately.
I never said it did.
What I said was that was the good Senator's position and it did not help him.
Tell me how it helped him.
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:42:51am |
re: #319 middlecon
We're together so far, but you seem to think that THE RESULTS of 30 years of Communist abuse being absent are proof of some difference between Communists there and liberal-left Communists here.
The intent, purpose, aims and methods of liberal-left-Communism have been demonstrated by Obama and his cohorts already. I assert that there IS NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between Obama's stated intent and the intent of other Communist-socialists.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:43:14am |
re: #285 shanec99
Listen guys uparmored hummers were not the perfect solution, but people should remember that in OIF I the hummers had canvass doors and thin plastic sheeting in the place of windows. Any kind of small arm could pass through the skin.
Up-armoured hummers were an interim attempt to address a problem until we could get a more acceptable solution.
Believe me, up armore saved lives, they were not perfect, but they were better than what we had before.
I realize that procurement moves slowly.
/but I'd venture to guess that an alarming percentage of our Iraq dead and wounded were caught riding HUMVEES
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:43:40am |
re: #329 scion9
So abortion is your line in the sand? Good luck with that.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:43:41am |
re: #290 logboy
On my last PT test I banged out 85 push ups in a little over a minute. I had almost a minute left to watch everyone else. Situps? Now that's another story.
Amazing!
I went into basic at 6 "1-1/2
181 pounds.
Came out of basic and first 3 months- 6 foot 3
210 pounds solid as a rock.
It must have been the good food,
Or my 18 year old body thought I was trying to kill it,
and it tried to put out sprouts.
my mother cried,
her little boy had become a monster. lol
/later, enjoyed the comments, thanks for your standing on that wall of freedom.
I am getting old and fat- need some more sleep. ha.
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Fearless Fred Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:43:54am |
re: #292 Sharmuta
NO- I have the right to my morals so long as I'm not infringing on others. I want you and President Government and lefties and fundies and everyone to leave me alone!
But aren't we infringin' (as Saracuda might say) upon the Islamist's twisted moral lives? I thought we were. It felt good too.
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Ledger1 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:44:19am |
Speaking of reading books...
Because the MSM is the propaganda link in the chain, I would suggest that Charles remove the CNN, ABC, cBS, NBC, WaPo, NYT, and AP from his left side bar list. It only feeds propaganda to his website customers.
Further, stated MSM outlets just irritate and insult his most of his members.
Sure it may bring a few cents per click but let’s get the enemy out the house.
I don't plan to watch CNN or any of the other MSM "news" outlets in the future.
Charles and others can monitor them and report to us. That is better than 24/7 flaming liberal blasts from those sites.
Btw, there is no TV in my house – it is just too much propaganda me and my family. We can get up to date sport news from various independent websites. I see no need to feed the MSM monster. I am happier without a TV.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:44:37am |
re: #297 Sharmuta
The problem with islam is the lack of individual rights.
Those only come to a society after its been through an enlightenment, a la the West. To pretend honest-to-goodness human rights will appear anywhere in the Islamic world in the near future is misguided -- the have a few centuries of reform to go through first.
Human rights can only exist in a culture that is ready for them. If its not ready, then those rights are only a veneer -- a false front enforced by outside observers and international peer pressure.
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Tamron Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:44:41am |
re: #172 Killian Bundy
Hey, look at the bright side, he starts getting fully classified briefings today.
/think they'll tell him about the space aliens?
Here's Obama's classified briefing, about space aliens. No kidding, almost...
Heh.
.
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beblebrox Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:44:43am |
re: #302 MandyManners
I think that there is no concept of the individual at all in Islam. It's like Communism on blotter acid.
damn you Mandy! There goes yet another keyboard I have to clean coffee out of. :)
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:45:00am |
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:45:27am |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Please- do tell us how abortion was the decisive factor in the election.
You want to know why McCain lost? Fiscal conservatives hate him after the bailout. Soc-cons hate him for the gang of 14. He's a hard moderate. He has some good points, but I wasn't sold on him until the convention. I was pro-Sarah immediately.
None of these are even REMOTELY good reasons for letting Obama win. Hell, they're barely good enough reasons for letting Hillary win, but at least I could forgive them for that. I am so mad at the people who voted for Obama now, and those who stayed home rather than vote for McCain, I could take a bite out of a steel I-beam then bend it like a pretzel.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:45:47am |
re: #340 stevieray
No- not human rights. Individual rights. There's a distinction. Ask buzzsawmonkey about it sometime.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:47:10am |
re: #335 Killian Bundy
I realize that procurement moves slowly.
/but I'd venture to guess that an alarming percentage of our Iraq dead and wounded were caught riding HUMVEES
Agreed, no one who was over there will fight you on that point. I was there remember, I am a HMC, and in the 6 months I was there I put 84 people in body bags. IED were the cause of the overwhelming majority of the fatalities and injuries.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:47:25am |
re: #344 Tigger2005
Hon- I voted McCain, it's just my analysis.
We will keep losing if we toss the fiscal conservatives under the bus and falsely think clinging to our Bibles is what defines us as conservatives.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:48:20am |
OhFerCryingOutLoud!
My horrorscope today: "Watch over your wealth..."
/bwahahahaha! WHAT WEALTH?!
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:49:11am |
re: #343 littleoldlady
Yeah, I've wondered myself if George Soros engineered the economy tanking.
He made such a big deal of trying to oust Bush in 2004, but he was almost totally silent this time. He knew he didn't help himself by telegraphing his plans in 2004.
I'd put him high on the list of those who helped Obambi buy the White House for $600 million.
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stevieray Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:49:34am |
re: #345 Sharmuta
No- not human rights. Individual rights. There's a distinction. Ask buzzsawmonkey about it sometime.
I know all about buzzsaw's position and I agree with it. I was just sloppy in my writing -- insert "individual rights" in the appropriate places.
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RTLM Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:50:34am |
I personally, am very happy about the YES vote on prop 8
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Karridine Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:50:40am |
My youngling is clamoring for CPU time, and I have an Ouroboros starting its undulating, coruscating crawl through my visual field, so I'll BBIAW...
y'all
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:52:41am |
re: #344 Tigger2005
I am so mad at the people who voted for Obama now, and those who stayed home rather than vote for McCain, I could take a bite out of a steel I-beam then bend it like a pretzel.
I liked the small business employer who explained a couple of weeks ago on the internet that he would have to lay off six people if Obamba were elected due to the higher taxes, etc.
So he went out to the parking lot to find the employee cars with Obama stickers on them. They are the ones he is planning to lay off.
I'm mad, too, but the Obama voters and the non-voters are going to suffer, too.
Obama will blame Bush so they may never know what they did.
We know.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:52:46am |
re: #342 beblebrox
damn you Mandy! There goes yet another keyboard I have to clean coffee out of. :)
Sugar and cream?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:53:25am |
So I'm back from college and I'd still like a good reason not to abandon the sinking ship.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:53:57am |
re: #355 laZardo
So I'm back from college and I'd still like a good reason not to abandon the sinking ship.
We need all the sane people we can get.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:54:32am |
re: #346 shanec99
It's just things like
while leading a convoy through Baghdad
/that bother me, it like sending troops into the Hürtgen Forest
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:55:02am |
re: #355 laZardo
So I'm back from college and I'd still like a good reason not to abandon the sinking ship.
Well if you abandon the ship rather than patch the hole and bail the water out you will end up in an ocean filled with blood and hunger sharks.
Good enough reason for you?
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:55:37am |
re: #314 middlecon
Well I'm an American citizen and I want to see my country succeed, whether the President belongs to my political party or not. I'm totally against higher taxes but they will be the same as they were in the 90s, and less than they were in the 70s.
I didn't question your desire to see our country succeed. All of us here want our country to succeed. I'm asking you which of Obama's goals will you describe as 'success' for our country should they be realized?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:55:41am |
re: #356 MandyManners
Good luck with that. I spent nine days in a mental asylum sedated and medicated back in 2005 for a nervous breakdown that got the Sacramento PD hauling me out of my house in cuffs.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 2:56:22am |
re: #325 Sharmuta
WTF? Where did I say that? It's a state's right issue. Roe is bad judicial law. Do you know how many women don't know that? I have to explain it to them all the time. Overturning Roe would not make abortion illegal, yet it's used as a club to beat our party and keeps women away.
This issue is best handled by the states and the religious community.
How is it bad judicial law? Abortion is a Civil Right according to the SCOTUS. That is the battle. Is it, or is it not a Civil Right. You are saying that it was a bad ruling, which means that you don't believe that people have a Right to have abortions. That States should be able to legislate such, including outlawing abortion on a State by State level if they so choose. You are still talking about outlawing abortion.
According to polls nearly 70% of Barack Obama supporters don't believe that Justices should make decisions based on a construction of the law, but their own moral compass. Who exactly are you going to convince en masse with such an argument? We have a sitting Justice now that is on the record saying that given the opportunity, she will rule based on her personal opinions rather than on the law.
Even Alito said he wouldn't overturn Roe, due to the judicial standard of not overturning longstanding precedents, especially ones that have been reaffirmed multiple times.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:00:12am |
re: #358 shanec99
Not really. I think I can still manage to get one of the life rafts.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:02:50am |
It was like a Paris banlieu in Lubbock Thursday night, with windows shot out of 130 vehicles in the southwest part of the town.
No media have had the guts to suggest that this was connected to the election but it started just after midnight, most of the vehicles hit were SUVs, and the area is solidly middle-class, white or Hispanic, and Republican.
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srb1976 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:03:53am |
re: #277 Tigger2005
Yeah, and he definitely was not a protectionist. He strongly defended and promoted free trade, at considerable political cost to himself, because he knew it was the best thing for our economy. The anti-globalization protests were SAVAGE during the Clinton administration, but he didn't give in to them.
In fact, I was absolutely furious at President Bush when, during the first few months of his administration, he slapped a tariff on steel imports, I think to help a Republican in PA win a Senate seat or the governorship or some such. What the fuck? It was such a blatant betrayal of conservative principles. Now, I've gained some respect for Bush since then, but it shocked me that he, a supposed conservative, would do such a thing.
As some one who works in the steel industry (suprise, american manufacturing is not QUITE dead)
My understanding was that the tariff was a temp measure to combat dumping and currency maipulation being played by mostly chinese steel companies, many of whom were running at a loss and being subsidized by their government.
I know the conversation has probably passed this topic by, but wanted to add that 2 cents
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:04:08am |
re: #363 shiplord kirel
The "overzealous celebrations" have started.
/because you can't call them "riots" because that's RACSIT.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:05:34am |
re: #361 scion9
We're not going to stop abortion through the courts or laws. It's a social issue, to be sure. It's not a winning political issue. The most swing I think you'll ever see in polling is 5%.
You stop abortions by stopping unplanned pregnancy. You make adoption easier. You teach kids about abstinence in context- economical impact of out of wedlock children and the poverty that comes with it for most youth.
I don't believe the problem is changed with a constitutional amendment, and clinging to that plank in the platform, while moral, is not a winning issue. It would never pass Congress' super majority nor the super majority needed to pass the states in order to become a amendment to the Constitution.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:06:42am |
re: #336 Sharmuta
So abortion is your line in the sand? Good luck with that.
So, what do you think the chances are for a GOP candidate that thinks abortion is a Civil Right to get nominated to run for POTUS, or any other high office anywhere but in very blue states, versus another candidate that took the opposing viewpoint?
What is your solution? Change the electorate? The electorate decides the platform based on who they elect. The party doesn't choose who votes for it based on their platform. Without changing the prevailing opinions of people that already vote GOP, the base. Essentially you need to be advocating that a bunch of pro-choice candidates run as pro-life, and then alienate the people that elected them in order to change the party platform.
Good luck with that. It is just too big of an issue. More importantly, it isn't even something that can be changed because of Roe v. Wade, so it is just a GOP boogeyman, and it appears to be winning them more votes than it is losing them, especially versus people like Obama who are absolute hardline pro-abortion.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:07:21am |
Heh....F&F mentions RFK-Jr as a possibility for head of EPA.
Unbelievable. Our next President had deep roots with someone who was a vehement anti-American, and dedicated his book to the guy who murdered the father of a possible Cabinet department head.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:09:18am |
re: #368 TheMatrix31
Heh....F&F mentions RFK-Jr as a possibility for head of EPA.
Unbelievable. Our next President had deep roots with someone who was a vehement anti-American, and dedicated his book to the guy who murdered the father of a possible Cabinet department head.
The MSM should ask RFK-Jr about this sometime, but you know they won't.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:10:01am |
re: #347 Sharmuta
Hon- I voted McCain, it's just my analysis.
I know that. I agree with you. The soccon's priorities are insane. When someone says, "Abortion is the only issue for me," I just don't know what to say. Keeping America safe and prosperous and free should be the most important issues for every conservative. Without those things, nobody's going to have the luxury of worrying about any soccon issue.
A lot of soccons seem to think that their moral issues are related to the safety and prosperity and freedom issues ... they think God will take these things away from us to punish us for our immorality. Oh, please. America is not fundamentally more immoral now than it was in the past. We may be less moral in some ways, but we are more moral in others. And we are certainly far more moral than Islamic countries, which ban abortion and homosexuality and teach creationism.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:10:09am |
re: #366 Sharmuta
No, an amendment is not likely to happen, and Roe is not going to be overturned. However, that doesn't mean that it can't be used to win votes. Democrats do it all the time. It is basically all they are. They are all identity politics, and wedge issues, and they do absolutely nothing about them while in office. The vast majority of their crap is pie in the sky nonsense that isn't even capable of being legislated at all, but they still get elected on it.
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tappin52 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:10:47am |
re: #313 scion9
So, abortion rates have dropped, and Republicans should adopt "Reproductive Rights" as part of their platform?
She didn't suggest adopting reproductive rights into the platform. She made an astute observation that the abortion issue is not going to gain the republicans any ground politically. That fight has already been fought and the divisions are not able to be closed. And I concur.
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Tamron Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:11:37am |
re: #340 stevieray
Human rights can only exist in a culture that is ready for them. If its not ready, then those rights are only a veneer -- a false front enforced by outside observers and international peer pressure.
True. --And it's a tragedy that there are barbaric, illiterate cultures, as well as private individuals, who appear to be doing their best to reverse the trend of civilization. Which, by definition, puts them below the level of 'humanity' as we know it, because to the degree that they aren't ready for (and are actively destroying) human rights, then to that degree they are also subhuman, deserving little or no rights themselves.
This is not a trivial problem for mankind, especially with the advent of nuclear proliferation in the hands of the above.
Imagine sharks in a swimming pool, demanding the protection of human rights just like all the other swimmers.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:11:50am |
re: #367 scion9
The electorate decides the platform based on who they elect.
Uh- that's not how the platform works. The platform is worked on by members of the party then voted on by delegates to the convention- usually other people who work within the party.
And I'm done discussing this with you.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:12:17am |
re: #362 laZardo
Not really. I think I can still manage to get one of the life rafts.
Well you might find that when a ship is sinking if Sailors stick together and patch the holes, pump the water (the Navy calls it damage control) they usually can do better than if they jump into a life raft and hope that someone will come and rescue you.
It's what we Republicans believe in. Work together to achieve an end, don't wait on somebody to save you.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:14:27am |
re: #360 laZardo
Good luck with that. I spent nine days in a mental asylum sedated and medicated back in 2005 for a nervous breakdown that got the Sacramento PD hauling me out of my house in cuffs.
Well, sometimes shit just snaps.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:14:31am |
re: #372 tappin52
She didn't suggest adopting reproductive rights into the platform. She made an astute observation that the abortion issue is not going to gain the republicans any ground politically. That fight has already been fought and the divisions are not able to be closed. And I concur.
Why won't the issue gain any ground politically? As in garner votes. Is it that more people now than ever are pro-life, as a percentage of the electorate? That just doesn't make any sense.
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jim in virginia Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:20am |
Morning all.
Fox and friends defending Sarah Palin. Doocy: McCain staffers are looking for jobs and need a reason McCain lost
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:16:40am |
re: #374 Sharmuta
Delegates are still beholden to the electorate. The process isn't exactly entirely undemocratic.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:16:46am |
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:17:17am |
re: #378 scion9
Why won't the issue gain any ground politically? As in garner votes. Is it that more people now than ever are pro-life, as a percentage of the electorate? That just doesn't make any sense.
Even if it does not gain us ground, I am willing to fight the abortion fight day after day to defend the unborn.
I stand on principle on this matter, and would rather lose on this principle rather than win and ignore the plight of the unborn. If we are unwilling to defend the weak and defenseless because it does not give us a political advantage then we may as well become Democrats.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:17:30am |
re: #379 jim in virginia
Fox and friends defending Sarah Palin.
A friend of mine wrote Fox & Friends a scathing email last night about the Sarah Palin smears on Fox. She probably wasn't the only one who did this.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:18:08am |
I think that letter's been proven to be a fake, but I like the idea.
After I mentioned it on here a couple weeks ago, somebody said he didn't like it. Said it sounded very un-American and the firings should be based on performance, nothing else.
I disagree. Assuming the story is true, these firings would be made necessary solely because of Obama's tax increases. Why should people who didn't vote for Obama suffer because of his tax increases? They will anyway, of course, but I see no reason for the blow to fall evenly.
re: #353 Adina in Judea
I liked the small business employer who explained a couple of weeks ago on the internet that he would have to lay off six people if Obamba were elected due to the higher taxes, etc.
So he went out to the parking lot to find the employee cars with Obama stickers on them. They are the ones he is planning to lay off.
I'm mad, too, but the Obama voters and the non-voters are going to suffer, too.
Obama will blame Bush so they may never know what they did.
We know.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:18:13am |
re: #363 shiplord kirel
It was like a Paris banlieu in Lubbock Thursday night, with windows shot out of 130 vehicles in the southwest part of the town.
No media have had the guts to suggest that this was connected to the election but it started just after midnight, most of the vehicles hit were SUVs, and the area is solidly middle-class, white or Hispanic, and Republican.
BB guns?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:18:55am |
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:19:12am |
re: #375 shanec99
The people who voted Obama into office with a landslide weren't exactly waiting either. A few of them have outright told me he isn't exactly "the Messiah" but expect him to work with the people more to try to fix the holes in the economy, etc.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:19:25am |
re: #382 shanec99
You are talking about a battle for hearts and minds that will only be won outside of politics. The reason minds are changing is because of the work NGOs have done not Washington.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:20:06am |
re: #364 srb1976
As some one who works in the steel industry (suprise, american manufacturing is not QUITE dead)
My understanding was that the tariff was a temp measure to combat dumping and currency maipulation being played by mostly chinese steel companies, many of whom were running at a loss and being subsidized by their government.
I know the conversation has probably passed this topic by, but wanted to add that 2 cents
Thanks!
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jim in virginia Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:20:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:20:47am |
re: #366 Sharmuta
We're not going to stop abortion through the courts or laws. It's a social issue, to be sure. It's not a winning political issue. The most swing I think you'll ever see in polling is 5%.
You stop abortions by stopping unplanned pregnancy. You make adoption easier. You teach kids about abstinence in context- economical impact of out of wedlock children and the poverty that comes with it for most youth.
I don't believe the problem is changed with a constitutional amendment, and clinging to that plank in the platform, while moral, is not a winning issue. It would never pass Congress' super majority nor the super majority needed to pass the states in order to become a amendment to the Constitution.
What poverty? They're supported on our tax dollars.
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Adina in Judea Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:20:54am |
re: #386 Tigger2005
Assuming the story is true, these firings would be made necessary solely because of Obama's tax increases. Why should people who didn't vote for Obama suffer because of his tax increases? They will anyway, of course, but I see no reason for the blow to fall evenly.
Agreed!
If the story is true - the Obama voters asked for Obama and they got him.
They should be willing to do the "sacrifice" Obama wants from them by losing their jobs due to Obama's tax increases. It makes all the sense in the world.
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jim in virginia Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:21:53am |
re: #387 MandyManners
It was like a Paris banlieu
That reference would have made no sense at all five years ago.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:21:57am |
re: #387 MandyManners
BB guns?
That's the theory but I saw some of the damage today. The windows were blown completely out, not holed as usual with a BB gun. I think a shotgun, possibly several shotguns, were involved.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:14am |
re: #377 MandyManners
Snapped hard back at me, in fact. The relatives I lived with in Sacramento had me shipped back here, I had my scholarships/loans cancelled so I'll essentially be starting from scratch if and when I move back. The only places I'll be able to live are with relatives, and my parents have convinced them not to take me unless one of my parents goes with me.
I posted some days ago that my mother - an evangelistic McCain supporter - actually admitted that an Obama administration might be able to better help us out in that situation, and I am unfortunately inclined to agree. And I can say that unlike others we do not intend to leech off at the bottom.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:15am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:16am |
re: #367 scion9
So, what do you think the chances are for a GOP candidate that thinks abortion is a Civil Right to get nominated to run for POTUS, or any other high office anywhere but in very blue states, versus another candidate that took the opposing viewpoint?
When did Sharmuta say that a GOP candidate would think or say that?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:35am |
re: #390 Sharmuta
You are talking about a battle for hearts and minds that will only be won outside of politics. The reason minds are changing is because of the work NGOs have done not Washington.
And frankly- that's how a real conservative would want it. Don't look to Washington for solutions people! Real solutions come from the American people, not politicians in Washington.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:23:37am |
re: #370 Tigger2005
I know that. I agree with you. The soccon's priorities are insane. When someone says, "Abortion is the only issue for me," I just don't know what to say. Keeping America safe and prosperous and free should be the most important issues for every conservative. Without those things, nobody's going to have the luxury of worrying about any soccon issue.
A lot of soccons seem to think that their moral issues are related to the safety and prosperity and freedom issues ... they think God will take these things away from us to punish us for our immorality. Oh, please. America is not fundamentally more immoral now than it was in the past. We may be less moral in some ways, but we are more moral in others. And we are certainly far more moral than Islamic countries, which ban abortion and homosexuality and teach creationism.
I like to point out the abortion policies of China and Soviet Russia. That's even more relevant nowadays.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:24:33am |
re: #372 tappin52
She didn't suggest adopting reproductive rights into the platform. She made an astute observation that the abortion issue is not going to gain the republicans any ground politically. That fight has already been fought and the divisions are not able to be closed. And I concur.
Yes, I get so fed up with the social conservatives on here saying things like, "Oh, so you're saying we should just get rid of moral values and say pot-smoking, drug abuse, hedonism, etc. are OK?"
Of course not. The question is whether moral values should be part of a national political platform, not whether we should be actively promoting IMmorality.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:24:53am |
re: #401 MandyManners
I've felt that abortion should be a choice, but never one to be taken lightly (even if that is just the "ideal"). Directly mandating a ban (or the opposite thereof in China's case) earns my hearty disapproval.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:01am |
re: #385 Sharmuta
LMAO!
So, you think a delegate is going to keep his seat and work in the party, forming the platform as a hardliner Marxist then? The party make-up isn't determined by the constituency and elected Republicans don't wield power within the party?
Again, when asked the question, do you believe Roe v Wade was right, that abortion is a right, how should the Republican come out on that? In a primary, among the base, who is going to get the nom, the pro-life, or pro-choice candidate?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:13am |
re: #379 jim in virginia
Morning all.
Fox and friends defending Sarah Palin. Doocy: McCain staffers are looking for jobs and need a reason McCain lost
Carl Cameron is a shit-bird.
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Tamron Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:15am |
re: #81 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
PIMF- It would cost millions of dollars to have an election just to replace Ted Stevens in 2009. They'll wait until 2010, and Sarah Palin will select his replacement once he is sentenced, assuming he wins.
Rumor has it that one of Sarah's options is to step down as governor at that point, with the understanding that the new governor (current Lieutenant Gov) would then appoint her to Steven's post.
Another rumor has it that Stevens could get a pardon from Bush.
Stranger things have happened.
Does anyone have an idea how to get a list of the 200-something pardons that Bill Clinton made, just hours before he left office? That would make interesting reading.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:26:49am |
re: #395 jim in virginia
That reference would have made no sense at all five years ago.
Shiplord Kirel's post. But, I get the reference, too.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:27:47am |
re: #396 shiplord kirel
That's the theory but I saw some of the damage today. The windows were blown completely out, not holed as usual with a BB gun. I think a shotgun, possibly several shotguns, were involved.
Wouldn't the police have found buck-shot? Also, can't a BB gun blow out a window if it hits the right way?
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:28:03am |
re: #399 MandyManners
When did Sharmuta say that a GOP candidate would think or say that?
What exactly is meant by 'dropping' the pro-life stance? You are either for or against. The question will be asked. How can you drop it without coming out as pro-choice?
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jim in virginia Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:28:18am |
re: #408 rightside
UPDING!
I need to get ready for work. Stay safe llizards.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:29:23am |
re: #405 scion9
I'm not discussing abortion with you anymore. And you can shove your strawmen arguments.
I laughed at you because I've been a delegate, I've voted on a state platform, I altered my state's platform. I was beholden to my conscience as a conservative, not some "electorate". Hell- the people who agreed on sending me to the convention didn't even contact me afterwords about anything in the platform. I laughed at you because you don't know what you're talking about.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:29:28am |
re: #397 laZardo
Snapped hard back at me, in fact. The relatives I lived with in Sacramento had me shipped back here, I had my scholarships/loans cancelled so I'll essentially be starting from scratch if and when I move back. The only places I'll be able to live are with relatives, and my parents have convinced them not to take me unless one of my parents goes with me.
I posted some days ago that my mother - an evangelistic McCain supporter - actually admitted that an Obama administration might be able to better help us out in that situation, and I am unfortunately inclined to agree. And I can say that unlike others we do not intend to leech off at the bottom.
An intelligent young man will only be hampered by the CBBHO. Why not save your money and go only when you have enough to live on your own or with a roomie?
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:29:44am |
re: #280 MandyManners
It's pretty sad that I'm remembering his presidency with relative fondness.
Maybe the Obama administration will be the one thing that raises the Clinton legacy...
Interesting!
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:30:27am |
re: #404 laZardo
I've felt that abortion should be a choice, but never one to be taken lightly (even if that is just the "ideal"). Directly mandating a ban (or the opposite thereof in China's case) earns my hearty disapproval.
In China, it's not a choice.
Now, THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA' SAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:31:02am |
Morning {goddess}, I hope the early dawn finds you well.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:31:44am |
re: #407 Tamron
Rumor has it that one of Sarah's options is to step down as governor at that point, with the understanding that the new governor (current Lieutenant Gov) would then appoint her to Steven's post.
Another rumor has it that Stevens could get a pardon from Bush.
Stranger things have happened.
Does anyone have an idea how to get a list of the 200-something pardons that Bill Clinton made, just hours before he left office? That would make interesting reading..
I'm sure it's on-line somewhere. The name that comes to my mind is Marc Rich.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:32:03am |
Good morning, goddess.
I'm tempted to have you add me to the prayer list, goddess. I could use some serenity. When is Festivus?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:32:07am |
re: #418 MandyManners
Gives me the heebie jeebies that does. Thank goodness that my brothers status helped him.
/I have an adorable niece there. :)
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:32:54am |
re: #410 MandyManners
Wouldn't the police have found buck-shot? Also, can't a BB gun blow out a window if it hits the right way?
The police wouldn't have found buckshot if the vandals used BB shot or some other small size. A single BB can shatter a window but it is more usual for it just to leave a hole, especially in automotive safety glass. All the windows involved in this were shattered.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:32:59am |
re: #417 yesandno
Maybe the Obama administration will be the one thing that raises the Clinton legacy...
Interesting!
Are her campaign debts paid yet?
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:33:13am |
re: #368 TheMatrix31
Heh....F&F mentions RFK-Jr as a possibility for head of EPA.
Unbelievable. Our next President had deep roots with someone who was a vehement anti-American, and dedicated his book to the guy who murdered the father of a possible Cabinet department head.
RFK jr is an environmental whacko. I hope those idiots who voted for Obamarx in PA are going to be happy now.
I've been wondering all day just how Carteresque Obamarx's cabinet is going to be. Hell, Ramsey Clark is still alive, isn't he? I'm sure that he would love another shot at being AG, now that he's done being Hussein's (Saddam, that is) attorney.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:33:50am |
re: #415 MandyManners
I'd still have to learn Tagalog (not a fact I'm particularly proud of), and then try to find an actual job related to my profession in a country where we have people leaving in droves (the "OFW" phenomenon) to find jobs they can really experience upward mobility in.
If anything, I could as well be past 30 by the time I get enough to pay for graduate studies, let alone pay for living expenses. With companies fresh-hiring younger and younger, that's already past the prime.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:05am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:11am |
re: #422 BlueCanuck
Gives me the heebie jeebies that does. Thank goodness that my brothers status helped him.
/I have an adorable niece there. :)
You're Chinese-Canadian?
BTW, is it true that farming famlies get more than one kid?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:37am |
re: #418 MandyManners
In China, it's not a choice.
Now, THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA' SAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
Exactly. Mandating that you shouldn't have a choice - as well as mandating that you have to have one after a certain limit - are equally disapprovable.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:35:11am |
re: #423 Shiplord Kirel
The police wouldn't have found buckshot if the vandals used BB shot or some other small size. A single BB can shatter a window but it is more usual for it just to leave a hole, especially in automotive safety glass. All the windows involved in this were shattered.
Wouldn't the noise have awakened people if a shot-gun was used?
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to figure out a few things.
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:35:47am |
My essay du jour ;-)
We can blame "Obama voters" for this mess, but in reality we as a society ALL have to take responsibility for what happened this election. I see 3 major reasons:
1. The illegal immigrant issue
This is the fault of BOTH parties, and as many people worked on our reps to address this, obviously educating our fellow citizens should have been our first priority. Not only does this cost u$ WAY more than the Iraq war each year, the fundamental notion that we are a nation of laws was flushed down the toilet. No wonder people feel it's legitimate to question the Constitution.
2. The Ayers-designed education system
I knew we were in trouble a few months ago when a very bright kid from an affluent family told me he had taken "4 or 5 black-centric college courses" because they "interested him". Unfortunately 70% of our current crop of younguns know nothing, and we can only hope that a percentage of them eventually learn, albeit the hard way.The remedy needs to start from the bottom up. Home-schooling or private school for your own kids doesn't solve the problem. We need to get into the public schools and insist that economics/personal finance and American history/government courses are requirements for graduation. Then we need to attend those curriculum meetings to make sure the textbooks aren't total dreck. Use them or not, you pay for public schools in your communities, and walking away from them in disgust puts everyone in peril.
At the university level at the very least we should work towards getting the same courses required for graduation. Then we should encourage schools to publish a directory of professors and their backgrounds, making it easier for kids and parents to choose "the right" professors for their education.
3. The media
For years we've let them get away with directing the agenda, and this time they outdid themselves. I sincerely believe that more and more people are going to be incensed when they discover they were sold a pig in a poke. With one foot in the grave already, economicswise, it won't take too much of a boycott to send these guys packing.
People, the MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN THE WORLD IS THE AMERICAN CONSUMER. (If you don't believe me, just ask the French wineries after just a few of us decided to boycott French products. They were begging their government to "DO SOMETHING" least the entire industry go down the tubes.)
It's time we became effective American consumers.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:36:06am |
re: #428 MandyManners
Nope, my brother is working there and married a National. I don't know about farming families though. But there is dispensation some times for families. I know my SIL has two other children.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:36:33am |
re: #426 laZardo
I'd still have to learn Tagalog (not a fact I'm particularly proud of), and then try to find an actual job related to my profession in a country where we have people leaving in droves (the "OFW" phenomenon) to find jobs they can really experience upward mobility in.
If anything, I could as well be past 30 by the time I get enough to pay for graduate studies, let alone pay for living expenses. With companies fresh-hiring younger and younger, that's already past the prime.
You've thought this out.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:36:40am |
Oh yeah, DOW futures down another 140 at this point.
/and now it's all on Obama all the time, no more "eight years of failed Bush policy" robotic talking points
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littleoldlady Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:53am |
And now I'm all pithy-commented-out. ;-)
Back later.
Good day, ALL!™
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:09am |
re: #430 MandyManners
Wouldn't the noise have awakened people if a shot-gun was used?
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to figure out a few things.
Good point. The Guzman family did not discover the damage until the following morning. I haven't heard of anybody hearing shots.
There are ways to reduce the noise signature of a small shotgun, but it is very unlikely that anyone with that kind of knowledge would do this.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:11am |
{Blue Canuck}
{Sharmuta}
I think prayers for all of us are most appropriate.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:28am |
re: #433 MandyManners
That's my problem...I think too much. Some say that in my intended profession it's a good thing...but I do wish that sometimes I could be "hindered" a bit with something in order to keep it from overtaking me.
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:39am |
re: #411 scion9
What exactly is meant by 'dropping' the pro-life stance? You are either for or against. The question will be asked. How can you drop it without coming out as pro-choice?
Uh, YOU don't have to drop it PERSONALLY. It is dropped as part of the party platform. And no, that doesn't automatically make the party pro-choice. The party doesn't have to defend or promote abortion in any way.
The party simply says, "We believe it's an individual decision to be pro-life or pro-choice. We would prefer that people decide to be pro-life, but we don't want to divide the nation over this issue when the lives and livelihoods and liberty of millions are at stake in a dangerous world with a shaky economy."
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:43am |
re: #434 Killian Bundy
Craptastic, the plus side is that my retirement plan right now is based on dollar cost averaging.
/might help out a lot in the long, long run.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:58am |
re: #414 Sharmuta
What is strawman about my argument? I'm just not seeing what the hell is meant by 'backing off', or 'dropping' the pro-life position. The question is going to be asked. It is in the national spotlight.
And yes, thank you for assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm damn positive that when I walk into a GOP HQ with a pick in my afro and Hezbollah T-Shirt on, and rave about the evils of imperialism and capitalism I'm not going to be getting anywhere in the party anytime soon.
Fact of the matter you were chosen as a delegate, entrusted to a position based on some principles that people obviously believed you had. Certain kinds of people just aren't going to be appointed to delegate seats to form policy, in order vote on the platform.
People who are going to develop a platform that is a sure fire loser aren't going to get picked. In deep red states, pro-choice is a sure fire loser at the local level. At the national level, those pro-life states, and evangelicals wield a lot of power, because in the end they are the ones that bring the votes. Again, the process is not entirely undemocratic even if it isn't entirely conventional.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:39:26am |
re: #432 BlueCanuck
Nope, my brother is working there and married a National. I don't know about farming families though. But there is dispensation some times for families. I know my SIL has two other children.
What's that "status" thing that allows them to have more than one kid?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:39:39am |
Bye {littleoldlady}. See you Sunday morning at the latest.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:40:41am |
re: #443 MandyManners
Mostly who you know, or your family knows. Cap is usually at two.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:50am |
re: #407 Tamron
Does anyone have an idea how to get a list of the 200-something pardons that Bill Clinton made, just hours before he left office? That would make interesting reading.
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I don't know, but I do know that he pardoned 2 members of the Weather Underground, which is, I am sure, the reason Hillary couldn't go after Obama on the Ayers connection.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:42:45am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:02am |
re: #437 Shiplord Kirel
Good point. The Guzman family did not discover the damage until the following morning. I haven't heard of anybody hearing shots.
There are ways to reduce the noise signature of a small shotgun, but it is very unlikely that anyone with that kind of knowledge would do this.
Around 130 vehicles over such a large (80 blocks?)? A shot-gun would've awakened someone.
A mean part of me would want to investigate the replacement companies.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:38am |
re: #440 Tigger2005
I think it can be reworked. We need to be realists and realize an amendment will never pass. We alter the platform yet remain pro-life by promoting adoption, birth control and education.
Rudy reduced the number of abortions in NYC while being pro-choice. Being pro-life does not necessarily mean supporting amending the Constitution. This position is moral, but folly politically. It's not the winning position scion9 thinks it is. It's divisive and better solutions can be found.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:48am |
re: #439 laZardo
That's my problem...I think too much. Some say that in my intended profession it's a good thing...but I do wish that sometimes I could be "hindered" a bit with something in order to keep it from overtaking me.
Ever worked with a shrink for coping techniques?
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:44:03am |
re: #393 MandyManners
What poverty? They're supported on our tax dollars.
The problem with the abortion issue is that it is mired in "projection" rather then actual fact. I would love to see actual statistics over time about it all. How can a poor mother raise her poor children with lower long term expectations and then be used as the example of the group that uses abortion? Doesn't make sense. These poor mothers appear to be giving birth, not aborting.
So who is? Where do they come from? What is the actual socio/economic background? What are the age groups? How many are repeat?
And, of course, how many of these people never heard about birth control before the fact... Would like to know how many abortions were the result of rape, incest, or because there were genetic problems with the fetus.
I have a feeling, the actual statistics would be astonishing.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:45:28am |
re: #445 BlueCanuck
Mostly who you know, or your family knows. Cap is usually at two.
That is terrifying.
Does China offer free sterilization for men and women? What are the cultural thoughts on sterilization for either?
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:46:03am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:47:01am |
re: #453 MandyManners
Unfortunately that's one area I don't know enough to discuss or comment on. I guess I should, just add it to the list of things I need to care about.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:47:23am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:47:57am |
re: #447 I heart the USA
I don't know, but I do know that he pardoned 2 members of the Weather Underground, which is, I am sure, the reason Hillary couldn't go after Obama on the Ayers connection.
Guzman from Miner Barnhill was the attorney for that.
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Throbert McGee Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:48:29am |
re: #246 MandyManners
What if he and his comrades in Congress bankrupt and destroy coal?
Actually, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Obama had completely forgotten his big plan to bankrupt coal plants within 48 hours after that interview in January, and he didn't think about it again until the GOP campaign brought it up last week.
Remember, his brilliant idea was to discourage anyone from even trying to build coal-fired power plants by imposing hugely punitive fees on carbon emissions -- but at the same time, all those hugely punitive fees on the carbon that won't be emitted because the coal plants don't get built in the first place are going to generate billions and billions of R&D dollars for wind, solar, and other "green" energy.
Thus, I conclude that Obama pulled the entire idea out of his ass even as he was speaking.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:48:36am |
re: #440 Tigger2005
Doesn't that then open up the door for Democrats to run more 'blue dogs' in redstates, and not be burdened by their parties stance on social issues? The same way when the GOP got off farm subsidies as welfare for the rich, after being ridiculed by the Dems, then the Dems added farm subsidies to their political platform the same year that republicans dropped it? Sounds like some pretty standard operating procedure for Republican issues that are allegedly 'losers'. They have a way of becoming Dem winners real fast.
For the record, I'm an atheist, and my personal opinion is that I'm fine with abortion except in late term when the fetus is actually formed, and I'm fine in the case of rape, and incest due to the potential trauma of actually carrying the child to term on part of the mother, and to actually save the mothers life. I don't have any dog in this fight, except winning.
However, I think that the issue has been put out front so much that even though the GOP doesn't actually have any way of standing against abortion legislatively, that it is still a winning issue. Even to the point that it essentially forces the Dems to de fact go against, and it prevents these 'blue dog' socially conservative communists from changing demographics in red states as easily because the dems have that platform stigma.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:48:48am |
re: #442 scion9
You seem to think that because I think the plank in the platform supporting a constitution amendment to ban abortion is hurtful to the party must somehow mean I think the party should be pro-choice. That's what is meant by strawman. Nowhere have I said the republicans should be a pro-choice party.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:49:34am |
re: #452 yesandno
Where I live, the teens giving birth are overwhelmingly poor, and mostly of a minority.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:49:51am |
re: #450 Sharmuta
Good morning Sharmuta,
As a Christian, I've never like how conservative Christians believe government is too ineffective to handle our money with higher taxes, by saying helping the poor. Yet, on the other hand, some feel moral legislation by that same government can work effectivley to bring about God's new Kingdom. Like it was said yesterday, leave that in the sphere of the churches power, it will do a better job at working with these issues than government anyway.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:50:07am |
re: #454 yesandno
Not sure about that "bailout" yet....
I thought it was part of the deal to get her and her hubby to stump for CBBHO.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:50:32am |
re: #455 BlueCanuck
Unfortunately that's one area I don't know enough to discuss or comment on. I guess I should, just add it to the list of things I need to care about.
You can only spread yourself so far.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:51:14am |
re: #458 Throbert McGee
Actually, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Obama had completely forgotten his big plan to bankrupt coal plants within 48 hours after that interview in January, and he didn't think about it again until the GOP campaign brought it up last week.
Remember, his brilliant idea was to discourage anyone from even trying to build coal-fired power plants by imposing hugely punitive fees on carbon emissions -- but at the same time, all those hugely punitive fees on the carbon that won't be emitted because the coal plants don't get built in the first place are going to generate billions and billions of R&D dollars for wind, solar, and other "green" energy.
Thus, I conclude that Obama pulled the entire idea out of his ass even as he was speaking.
Biden is against coal, too.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:06am |
I guess I can sum up my feelings on the current military situation in that attrition warfare should be totally taken of the menu. We have robots and drones readily available.
/U.S. troops should never be used as bait, don't lead with a HUMVEE
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:24am |
re: #457 MandyManners
Guzman from Miner Barnhill was the attorney for that.
At the risk of revealing my ignorance by asking this, is that attorney particulary notorious? I've never heard of him/her, or the firm.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:55am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:26am |
FUCKING A!
When the electorate thinks the democrats are more fiscally responsible than republicans, then we are no longer conservatives. We are a joke.
The last two elections we had our asses handed to us because we ceased being the party of fiscal restraint and responsibility. We started spending like liberals. How easy we made it for them to look more moderate than we. Great play, dems. We even handed it to you on a silver platter. Bravo.
Return to real conservative positions- smaller government and fiscal restraint and we will win back seats in congress in two years..
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:27am |
re: #461 MandyManners
Where I live, the teens giving birth are overwhelmingly poor, and mostly of a minority.
and of the group least likely to procure an abortion, aside from the "genocide" isssue...so who is actually having them?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:28am |
re: #462 NC State of Mind
I loved that thread yesterday. I hope we get some more like that.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:55:28am |
re: #451 MandyManners
Several. Unfortunately, I tend to be a real Tony Soprano in Ms. Melfi's office.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:55:29am |
re: #467 I heart the USA
At the risk of revealing my ignorance by asking this, is that attorney particulary notorious? I've never heard of him/her, or the firm.
CBBHO worked for them.
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: perfunction.typepad.com...]
(Earlier typo: Gutman, not Guzman.)
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:55:44am |
morning lizards - this is a drive-by
You think abortions are high here?
Russia is, in other words, the world capital of abortions by a wide margin. It is, in fact, an abortion factory, butchering over 2 million fetuses each year, more than 5,400 per day, more than it has live births — a situation virtually unprecedented in human history. Every ten years, Russians kill more of their own people simply by means of abortion than did Hitler’s invading Nazi hoardes in the whole of World War II.
And re: the sliming of Sarah Palin - I think I know exactly where it's coming from - it's a woman
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:56:25am |
re: #470 yesandno
and of the group least likely to procure an abortion, aside from the "genocide" isssue...so who is actually having them?
Middle- and upper-class whites?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:56:42am |
re: #472 laZardo
Several. Unfortunately, I tend to be a real Tony Soprano in Ms. Melfi's office.
Finding a fit can be hard.
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callahan23 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:03am |
re: #474 wahabicorridor
And re: the sliming of Sarah Palin - I think I know exactly where it's coming from - it's a woman
Who are you referring to?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:24am |
re: #474 wahabicorridor
morning lizards - this is a drive-by
You think abortions are high here?
And re: the sliming of Sarah Palin - I think I know exactly where it's coming from - it's a woman
That's what I was saying earlier but, I had no idea it was that bad. They're creating a population vacuum for the Muslims to fill.
As for Palin, I wouldn't be surpised at all. Petty envy.
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:59:40am |
re: #465 MandyManners
Biden is against coal, too.
True...but Biden can't get from A to B to C on any issue in a logical sense. Anybody thinking that Biden will be involved in the "policy making" apparatus of the administration is overlookig the natural power-hungry aspects of everyone else who will be there. He is the accessories, not the real outfit.
This will be interesting to watch...depends upon who will be the environmental policy makers. Either way, we won't be drilling NOW....................
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:37am |
re: #476 laZardo
And A-10s.
/big Warthog-Thunderbolt fan...
/running a convoy through a red area of Baghdad should have close helicopter support
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:48am |
One (very small, very personal) reason I had for wanting CBBHO to lose was that I could eliminate around 200 links about CBBHO, WAB, Soros, WU, Alinksy, Ayers, Wright, Rezko, et bloody cet..
Now I'm considering printing out all those articles 'cause I would not be surprised if they go missing one day.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:58am |
re: #460 Sharmuta
Well, I apologize for misconstruing what you meant. I'm still not seeing a pragmatic strategy for winning though. I don't think that the conversation can be dodged. I don't think Republicans need to come out and biblethump on the abortion issue, but they can't not talk about.
Also, the only way the change can be made is legislatively, by way of amendment, even though its not ever going to happen. If the party isn't for an amendment it is accepting the status quo, which is the position that arbortion is a right.
An individual Democrat can just as easily run a campaign as a social conservative as a Republican can. Especially if both parties are supportive of the status quo, and admittedly have no intention of ever trying to change it. That is my point.
Saying that I don't support the right to have abortions, and it should be illegal, but have admittedly no power, and no support from my party to oppose it in any fashion, is just about as appealing as "I am pro-choice" to a pro-life voter.
In my opinion, dropping the pro-life platform would cut the current numbers of catholics and southern baptists that vote GOP by sizable, probably unrecoverable margins.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:02:55am |
Good Morning, Lizards. Just fired off an e-mail to Fox about the Sarah bashing. When I saw that last night, I was astounded! I can see the other networks trying to preempt her, but it seemed to be generated thru Fox! Don't they realize that she was the best thing McCain had going for him? I don't give a rats patootie what she knows about foreign affairs, Obama wasn't ask anything and probably knows less than any of them! She has character, something sadly missing in our nations capital.
Thanks for letting me rant...now who wants coffee?
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:39am |
re: #469 Sharmuta
FUCKING A!When the electorate thinks the democrats are more fiscally responsible than republicans, then we are no longer conservatives. We are a joke.
The last two elections we had our asses handed to us because we ceased being the party of fiscal restraint and responsibility. We started spending like liberals. How easy we made it for them to look more moderate than we. Great play, dems. We even handed it to you on a silver platter. Bravo.
The problem I cannot see a way around is the electorate themselves. It requires independent and critical thinking to be a true conservative; liberalism requires no effort. And we have one lazy-ass electorate.
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callahan23 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:55am |
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:04:01am |
re: #481 yesandno
True...but Biden can't get from A to B to C on any issue in a logical sense. Anybody thinking that Biden will be involved in the "policy making" apparatus of the administration is overlookig the natural power-hungry aspects of everyone else who will be there. He is the accessories, not the real outfit.
This will be interesting to watch...depends upon who will be the environmental policy makers. Either way, we won't be drilling NOW....................
If you think $150 per barrel oil was bad... with coal generated electricity being made more expensive, no new nuclear plants, the alternative will be more windfarms (also expensive and dont put them in some people's view) and more demand for foreign oil to power the homes and businesses that employ and shelter the American citizens.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:04:05am |
re: #481 yesandno
True...but Biden can't get from A to B to C on any issue in a logical sense. Anybody thinking that Biden will be involved in the "policy making" apparatus of the administration is overlookig the natural power-hungry aspects of everyone else who will be there. He is the accessories, not the real outfit.
This will be interesting to watch...depends upon who will be the environmental policy makers. Either way, we won't be drilling NOW....................
One thought that I had this morning that kept me from going back to sleep was the notion that CBBHO and his goose-stepping minions in Congress will institute a draconian tax on gasoline--something along the lines of $1.00/gallon. Maybe higher.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:04:31am |
re: #477 MandyManners
I'll say. My last shrink was a rather rotund "homo-but-not-'gay'" Spaniard who bore an eerie resemblance to Barney Frank.
/hrrrrrrr.
//he sounded more like Giancarlo "Mathis from Casino Royale" Giannini though.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:05:39am |
re: #485 Beach Lover
Good Morning, Lizards. Just fired off an e-mail to Fox about the Sarah bashing. When I saw that last night, I was astounded! I can see the other networks trying to preempt her, but it seemed to be generated thru Fox! Don't they realize that she was the best thing McCain had going for him? I don't give a rats patootie what she knows about foreign affairs, Obama wasn't ask anything and probably knows less than any of them! She has character, something sadly missing in our nations capital.
Thanks for letting me rant...now who wants coffee?
I hope you took them to task!
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:05:46am |
re: #469 Sharmuta
I agree, but it is going to take a lot more work than just campaigning to get back the public's trust. The Reps in office now are the ones that need to lead the charge by reforming their behavior to fit that image, and the ones that do get elected campaigning that way need to actually be reformers and small government, fiscal conservatives. As it stands now, quite a lot of Republicans do campaign on that issue, but no one trusts them, and for good reason.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:06:35am |
re: #488 shanec99
If you think $150 per barrel oil was bad... with coal generated electricity being made more expensive, no new nuclear plants, the alternative will be more windfarms (also expensive and dont put them in some people's view) and more demand for foreign oil to power the homes and businesses that employ and shelter the American citizens.
Remember the liberal NIMBY movement that kept windfarms out of their area in the N.E.?
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:08am |
re: #473 MandyManners
CBBHO worked for them.
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: perfunction.typepad.com...]
(Earlier typo: Gutman, not Guzman.)
Thanks for the links. :) Geez, how can these people stand what they see in the mirror?
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:17am |
Just turned on Fox news for 1.5 min. Gretchen makes me sick and Doocy and Kilmeade look disturbed. Sad day. They are going to self implode. Bye bye fox.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:30am |
re: #490 laZardo
I'll say. My last shrink was a rather rotund "homo-but-not-'gay'" Spaniard who bore an eerie resemblance to Barney Frank.
/hrrrrrrr.
//he sounded more like Giancarlo "Mathis from Casino Royale" Giannini though.
Have you ever considered someone with a more "Skinnerian" approach?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:46am |
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NC State of Mind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:51am |
re: #489 MandyManners
One thought that I had this morning that kept me from going back to sleep was the notion that CBBHO and his goose-stepping minions in Congress will institute a draconian tax on gasoline--something along the lines of $1.00/gallon. Maybe higher.
Yep. He said a while back the only problem he had with $4/gallon gas was that the price rose so quickly, not that it was $4/gallon.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:08:28am |
re: #496 I heart the USA
Thanks for the links. :) Geez, how can these people stand what they see in the mirror?
They see nothing wrong with what they do. In fact, they're rather proud.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:09:37am |
This is the first time I am on line since early Tuesday night. It's been hard to watch the news and so I am getting by on the meager sports available and the history channel.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:11am |
re: #470 yesandno
and of the group least likely to procure an abortion, aside from the "genocide" isssue...so who is actually having them?
Liberal Democrats.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:18am |
re: #504 Nevergiveup
welcome back and it will be OK. I promise.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:23am |
re: #49 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Never mind- A Felon Leads in Alaska’s Senate Race
Hey, a felon is better than a donk (but I repeat myself).
Besides, he won't be there long.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:29am |
re: #491 MandyManners
well, I did my best! Maybe they just want a controversy. But, if she can't nip this "Quayle-ing" before it starts to stick, she's going to only become a trival pursuit answer.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:03am |
re: #501 NC State of Mind
Yep. He said a while back the only problem he had with $4/gallon gas was that the price rose so quickly, not that it was $4/gallon.
What do the inner-city folks who elected them care?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:14am |
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:16am |
re: #475 MandyManners
Middle- and upper-class whites?
Probably...but not sure. What I mean to say is that the statistics probably don't support the idea that poor people suffer most if abortion is made illegal. The argument to support it is often that they would be the ones no longer able to afford an abortion since it would be back to the alley and large sums changing hands. If they are not getting them now, why would deman be greater if the law changed?
If it is middle and upper class whites, then the "reasons" for obtaining an abortion are less compelling and the idea that it is but a "method of birth control" becomes more and more likely for many.
Tough subject at best...but we need accurate statistics at the beginning of the discussion not at the end. And so many with an agenda don't tend to provide them.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:33am |
re: #488 shanec99
I think there are Israeli technicians helping develop solar-power "farms" in the Mojave Desert.
This could be an interesting use for all that barren expanse.
/just a thought.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:41am |
re: #501 NC State of Mind
Yep. He said a while back the only problem he had with $4/gallon gas was that the price rose so quickly, not that it was $4/gallon.
Didn't he also say $4/gal wasn't high enough?
He's such an asshat. Oh, wait. I forgot. Need to show respect, so make that President-elect Asshat.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:12:22am |
re: #508 Beach Lover
well, I did my best! Maybe they just want a controversy. But, if she can't nip this "Quayle-ing" before it starts to stick, she's going to only become a trival pursuit answer.
McCain needs to kick some ass and maybe spread the word that he will make their lives a living hell when they try to get other jobs.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:13:43am |
re: #511 yesandno
I'm gonna' leave this debate now before it gets heated as more Lizards stir.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:13:55am |
re: #501 NC State of Mind
Yep. He said a while back the only problem he had with $4/gallon gas was that the price rose so quickly, not that it was $4/gallon.
I will NEVER drive a Smart (stupid) car or Prius. NEVER. I will walk or get a motorcycle.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:44am |
re: #511 yesandno
The biggest problem is that the ones with the biggest dog in the abortion fight are evangelicals, and by and large they don't make arguments on "scale" or statistics. That is where the pro-life platform needs to be reformed. Keep the evangelical pitbulls like Dobson on a leash, and let someone more erudite be their spokespeople.
However, I can't imagine that 'poor' people are getting too many abortions at a few hundred dollars a pop.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:05am |
re: #512 scion9
I will be riding a bike to work.
Good for you but, it's not possible for millions of people. And, The Kid's school is about 20 miles away.
I'm reminded of a movement to force people into urban areas in order to reduce their carbon foot-prints.
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callahan23 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:05am |
re: #517 bellamags
I will NEVER drive a Smart (stupid) car or Prius. NEVER. I will walk or get a motorcycle.
Vespa scooters are neat and friendly on your gasoline bill.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:39am |
re: #514 I heart the USA
Didn't he also say $4/gal wasn't high enough?
He's such an asshat. Oh, wait. I forgot. Need to show respect, so make that President-elect Asshat.
That's what I recall.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:49am |
re: #510 MandyManners
Wikiing it...
Skinner says that there are five main obstacles in learning:
1. People have a fear of failure
2. There is a lack of directions
3. There is also a lack of clarity in the direction
4. Positive reinforcement is not used enough
5. The task is not broken down into small enough stepsSkinner suggests that with all of the obstacles out of the way any age appropriate skill can be taught using his 5 principles:
1. Have small steps
2. Work from most simple to most complex tasks
3. Repeat the directions as many times as possible
4. Give immediate feedback
5. Give positive reinforcement
Though I sorta wince a bit at his quote on Milton's Stan... [=
/late dinner. BBL.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:17am |
re: #517 bellamags
I will NEVER drive a Smart (stupid) car or Prius. NEVER. I will walk or get a motorcycle.
Shit, no kidding! I would never run the risk that someone might think I voted for Obama! Pious owners needed no bumper stickers.
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yesandno Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:19am |
re: #489 MandyManners
One thought that I had this morning that kept me from going back to sleep was the notion that CBBHO and his goose-stepping minions in Congress will institute a draconian tax on gasoline--something along the lines of $1.00/gallon. Maybe higher.
Hadn't thought of that...but you have a valid point. They are going to tax everything they can come-up with. Surcharges, environmental taxes, actual income taxes, you are richer then me taxes..............only place that will remain tax neutral will be in the Congressional payrolls and Congressional health care....everything else is up for grabs.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:56am |
speaking of gas...ours is down to $1.79 here in upper SC.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:59am |
re: #520 callahan23
Vespa scooters are neat and friendly on your gasoline bill.
Yes they are. They look kinda beefy too. Nothing wimpy looking for me.. LOL
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:17:27am |
re: #519 MandyManners
Welllll, to be more accurate I'm going to be forced to ride a bike to work if the gas prices spike back up regardless of how far it is.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:17:48am |
re: #517 bellamags
You'd be surprised what kind of people drive Priuses...they're not all smug douchebags.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:18:35am |
re: #525 Beach Lover
speaking of gas...ours is down to $1.79 here in upper SC.
Still well above $3 in my neck of the People's Republic of California.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:19:05am |
re: #523 I heart the USA
Shit, no kidding! I would never run the risk that someone might think I voted for Obama! Pious owners needed no bumper stickers.
I would be afraid to drive one on the interstate. Especially down here with all the huge diesel trucks and jacked up 4x4's. Dangerous. A smart car would be a complete death trap even if it was in a wreck with a Prius.
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callahan23 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:16am |
re: #526 bellamags
Yes they are. They look kinda beefy too. Nothing wimpy looking for me.. LOL
Yep, and most of the chassis is made of steel. So they don't need an inner frame, the steel chassis is their frame. Nice 'n sturdy.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:17am |
Back from running the election security operation in Pennsylvania. They switched me to Philly. That's where I saw the Black Panther waving the billy club in the doorway of the polling place on Fairmont Avenue, screaming "The black man will rule the white man! The black man will rule the white man!".
Over and over. Fox News filmed some of it.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:33am |
re: #528 laZardo
You'd be surprised what kind of people drive Priuses...they're not all smug douchebags.
that was a cool link. its not so much the technology, its the way they look. I am all for alternative energy sources, but do the cars have to look dorky?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:52am |
re: #524 yesandno
Hadn't thought of that...but you have a valid point. They are going to tax everything they can come-up with. Surcharges, environmental taxes, actual income taxes, you are richer then me taxes..............only place that will remain tax neutral will be in the Congressional payrolls and Congressional health care....everything else is up for grabs.
They never got the point of the goose that laid the golden eggs.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:27am |
re: #532 quickjustice
Back from running the election security operation in Pennsylvania. They switched me to Philly. That's where I saw the Black Panther waving the billy club in the doorway of the polling place on Fairmont Avenue, screaming "The black man will rule the white man! The black man will rule the white man!".
Over and over. Fox News filmed some of it.
unbelievable. do we have a video of them saying that?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:30am |
re: #527 scion9
Welllll, to be more accurate I'm going to be forced to ride a bike to work if the gas prices spike back up regardless of how far it is.
Count yourself lucky that that's an option.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:35am |
re: #529 I heart the USA
Still well above $3 in my neck of the People's Republic of California.
Bless your heart :-(
I remember when we lived there (east bay) paying $1.55 a gallon when it was $1.00 a gal back here. Thought that was crazy! That was 8 yrs ago. It's amazing what we get used to.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:41am |
re: #530 bellamags
I would be afraid to drive one on the interstate. Especially down here with all the huge diesel trucks and jacked up 4x4's. Dangerous. A smart car would be a complete death trap even if it was in a wreck with a Prius.
Where I live the biggest threat to a Pious is a soccer-mom driven SUV. Now once they get on I-5, that's a different story...
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:12am |
re: #532 quickjustice
Back from running the election security operation in Pennsylvania. They switched me to Philly. That's where I saw the Black Panther waving the billy club in the doorway of the polling place on Fairmont Avenue, screaming "The black man will rule the white man! The black man will rule the white man!".
Over and over. Fox News filmed some of it.
There's a link to the YouTube video here. It was taken by a college student who questioned the thugs. Amazing.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:24am |
re: #514 I heart the USA
Didn't he also say $4/gal wasn't high enough?
He's such an asshat. Oh, wait. I forgot. Need to show respect, so make that President-elect Asshat.
My goal over the next four months is to reduce my tax footprint. I've got tons of stuff to read on the internet, tons of free podcasts to listen to, and the fiancee and I are homebodies. I will only fund his asinine shit as much as I absolutley have to.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:29am |
re: #532 quickjustice
Back from running the election security operation in Pennsylvania. They switched me to Philly. That's where I saw the Black Panther waving the billy club in the doorway of the polling place on Fairmont Avenue, screaming "The black man will rule the white man! The black man will rule the white man!".
Why didn't the cops do something about it?
Over and over. Fox News filmed some of it.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:53am |
re: #537 Beach Lover
Bless your heart :-(
I remember when we lived there (east bay) paying $1.55 a gallon when it was $1.00 a gal back here. Thought that was crazy! That was 8 yrs ago. It's amazing what we get used to.
Lke a frog in a pot of water on the stove.
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Cutty Sark Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:01am |
#469 Get rid of "Pork " and "Earmarks " and then maybe Republicans will have some credibility .
Until then , it's only a matter of how much Democrats AND Republicans lie about not doing it .
And that's pretty hard to do WHILE BOTH parties are doing it .
So the Democrats are merely better liars "this time around " .
Politicians seem to think , no ones looking when they engage in their political games .
If this were not true , than Lobbying would not be the billion dollar industry that it is .
And what better job for a politician to "retire to " after getting voted out of office ?
Now there's a job market that never slumps .
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srb1976 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:02am |
re: #470 yesandno
and of the group least likely to procure an abortion, aside from the "genocide" isssue...so who is actually having them?
The only person I know who had an abortion was a college kid, from a catholic home.....anecdotal I know but there it is
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golly_wog Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:40am |
Hey Sharmuta, You are from TN aren't you? How and why do you think Jackson County and Houston County went Obama?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:35am |
re: #517 bellamags
Smart cars are actually fun to drive, drove one when I lived in Italy and they are safer than a motor cycle.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:47am |
I would like to thank barack 0bama- he has finally convinced me to quit smoking. I just stepped out for a cig and realized I'm supporting one of the highest taxed products on the market. Well- I'm not really up to paying more taxes to the government by choice considering everything else is going to get taxed up the wazoo shortly. Thanks, barry. Quitting will be my way of sticking it to you.
Also- I've decided on a second job- I'm going to produce bumper stickers with simple, catchy, conservative ideals. How about this one:
Big Government is not the solution- it's the problem.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:54am |
re: #506 bellamags
welcome back and it will be OK. I promise.
I am not so sure. But "Tomorrow is another day". Worked for Scarlet?
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:26:44am |
re: #541 NC State of Mind
let us in on your findings, mkay?
and to add to the cattiness....I thought Michelle's dress Tuesday night was hideous. She can look nice, but what was she thinking?
*meow, off*
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:26:48am |
I usually drive retarded cars. There's always something wrong with them.
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:03am |
Good morning folks.
I see now that the election is over that their guys won, the sewer rats called the MSM is conducting an amazingly sexist campaign to personally destroy Sarah Palin.
I believe they are doing so for several reasons:
1. Destroy Palin as a future threat for nationwide office
2. Punish her for having injected some life into McCains campaign and making their job of gettting the Marxist elected a little tougher.
3. Send a message out to all female conservatives that if you try to run for office, the MSM will destroy you, and you can count on the women's support groups like NOW etc to stand by and do nothing.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:13am |
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:16am |
re: #547 shanec99
I have heard they are fun. Europe is different for the most part, streets are smaller, everything is closer together. They are all over the place over there. Here, well merging onto the interstate with a Hummer in front of you and a semi behind you driving 75 mph for 45 miles, not so much. I would drive a mini cooper. they look good from behind. LOL.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:44am |
They will be free, maby with a reward, with the new National Health Care system. Sex changes will be determined by a clerk. re: #518 scion9
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:47am |
re: #480 MandyManners
As for Palin, I wouldn't be surpised at all. Petty envy.
back for a few minutes. No, not petty envy. This is a woman who felt her relationship with McCain - in her mind it's a very 'special' relationship, she's not just another staffer - was threatened by Sarah. Recall one of the 'hits' being peddled is that 'McCain and Palin were never really close'. That's when I knew who's behind it. This is major jealousy.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:05am |
"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom. " - F.A. Hayek
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:31am |
re: #548 Sharmuta
I would like to thank barack 0bama- he has finally convinced me to quit smoking. I just stepped out for a cig and realized I'm supporting one of the highest taxed products on the market. Well- I'm not really up to paying more taxes to the government by choice considering everything else is going to get taxed up the wazoo shortly. Thanks, barry. Quitting will be my way of sticking it to you.
Also- I've decided on a second job- I'm going to produce bumper stickers with simple, catchy, conservative ideals. How about this one:
Big Government is not the solution- it's the problem.
Hey shar! I decided to quit smoking too...I have my Chantix all ready to go.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:47am |
re: #553 3 wood
I couldn't agree with you more, but now that Palin is free from the interference of the McCain people, watch for her to fight back with a vengeance. At least I hope so?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:53am |
re: #557 wahabicorridor
back for a few minutes. No, not petty envy. This is a woman who felt her relationship with McCain - in her mind it's a very 'special' relationship, she's not just another staffer - was threatened by Sarah. Recall one of the 'hits' being peddled is that 'McCain and Palin were never really close'. That's when I knew who's behind it. This is major jealousy.
Sounds Freudian.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:57am |
re: #509 MandyManners
yes, the "miami moocher" said she'd never have to pay for gas again.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:30:37am |
re: #529 I heart the USA
Still well above $3 in my neck of the People's Republic of California.
Do you know how much of that is taxes?
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bellamags Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:03am |
I need to get ready for work so I can drive my gasoline powered car 25 miles to make money the government will eventually seize. see you later lizards.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:03am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:36am |
I wonder how all those inner-city folks with minimum-wage jobs are gonna' feel when their employers pack it in. Or, if the company reduces staff and lets them go first. Will there be a law passed that forces Affirmative Action regarding firing?
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:01am |
re: #553 3 wood
thought so, too. But it is coming from places like Fox! Have they gone to the dark side as well?
Glad to see you, wanted your take on the market drop yesterday. Mr. Beach is saying they are trying to pin it on the election and ignoring the jobs loss, etc as the real reason. What's your take?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:04am |
re: #560 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Awesome- we can be bitchy together! ;p
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:11am |
re: #563 apachegunner
yes, the "miami moocher" said she'd never have to pay for gas again.
I'd love to be a fly on her wall when reality smacks her up-side her thick head.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:39am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:48am |
re: #558 Bumr50
"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom. " - F.A. Hayek
Nice quote.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:28am |
re: #555 bellamags
Look the Smart cars are Mercedes products, well engineered, quick, and believe me on the Autostrada when they are running on a road with Italians driving Alfa Romeos, BMWs and Audis they hold thier own. The for door Smart cards are not that bad either.
You might be surprised if you test drove one of them. But then many Italians still love the old Fiat 500 (Cinca Centra).
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:29am |
A gas tax would put them Dems out of office quicker than anything else they might try.
re: #518 scion9
However, I can't imagine that 'poor' people are getting too many abortions at a few hundred dollars a pop.
Planned Parenthood makes sure that anyone who wants an abortion will get one. It's a billion dollar business with taxpayers picking up the tab.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:56am |
re: #571 MandyManners
I'd love to be a fly on her wall when reality smacks her up-side her thick head.
The problem is that reality will never smack her upside the head...she will just find a way to blame the evil rethugs in congress for not allowing her hand outs to pass.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:09am |
Alright, I'm done, for now .
/forgive me if I've insulted any military sensibilities
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:13am |
re: #569 Beach Lover
thought so, too. But it is coming from places like Fox! Have they gone to the dark side as well?
Glad to see you, wanted your take on the market drop yesterday. Mr. Beach is saying they are trying to pin it on the election and ignoring the jobs loss, etc as the real reason. What's your take?
Yeah, Carl Cameron looked like he was really enjoying himself as he spread all those unsubstantiated rumors.
What a creep.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:26am |
re: #575 shanec99
Look the Smart cars are Mercedes products, well engineered, quick, and believe me on the Autostrada when they are running on a road with Italians driving Alfa Romeos, BMWs and Audis they hold thier own. The for door Smart cards are not that bad either.
You might be surprised if you test drove one of them. But then many Italians still love the old Fiat 500 (Cinca Centra).
shanec99, I drive my Fiat Panda at 130 or 140 down the autostrada and it holds it's own as well! but I would rather have a Smart they look even stupider (that's a word...look it up) than the Panda.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:49am |
Well my relief is here and it's time for me to log off. Stay scaly lizards.
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scion9 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:55am |
re: #548 Sharmuta
Big Government is not the solution- it's the problem.
Too complicated. You'll never get libs in the tent unless you keep it simple; one word. Hope and Change, are unfortunately both taken.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:25am |
Well, off to the coal mines for me. Have a good one ya'll!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:38am |
Livni: Obama readiness to talk to Iran could be seen as sign of weakness
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
My suggestions:
1) Get all them gas masks filters renewed
2) Get the masking tape and plastic resupplied to everyones hardened rooms
3) Prayer wouldn't hurt?
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:45am |
re: #535 bellamags
Some of it is reportedly on Youtube. I haven't seen it yet.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:38:59am |
re: #582 scion9
I'm not targeting liberals. They think it is the solution. Moderates and independents know better though.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:39am |
re: #564 wahabicorridor
Do you know how much of that is taxes?
Yes, I believe it ranges somewhere between "exorbitant" and "are you bloodsuckers out of your gawd-damned minds?"
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:53am |
re: #580 rightwinger3
I lived in Sicily, little town close to Catania by the name of Mascalucia, the Sicilians drive fast and they love the tiny cars... there are not as many accidents as I notice when I am back in the states despite the speeds on the Auto Strada.
When I lived in Sicily I drove a Twin Spark Alfa Romeo. Ran like a scalded dog, but I loved the little Fiat 500s. The guys on base used to buy them and make them into pieces of art.
Here is a 500 for car lovers.[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:20am |
US secretary of state lands in Israel
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Unless she has a hot date, not sure why she is in Israel?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:52am |
re: #582 scion9
Besides- the idea is to give pause to think.
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jacksontn Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:43am |
Good Morning Lizards ...
Anyone hear anything about campaign computers being hacked? I heard something but just for a second this morning.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:51am |
re: #584 Nevergiveup
Livni: Obama readiness to talk to Iran could be seen as sign of weakness
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
My suggestions:
1) Get all them gas masks filters renewed
2) Get the masking tape and plastic resupplied to everyones hardened rooms
3) Prayer wouldn't hurt?
Add that to what Sarkozy said about Obama's Iran comments: "Utterly immature."
But of course, these comments from world leaders don't matter to the press. The world hearts Obama.
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:59am |
Look for the market to open down as our Marxist overlords prepare their plans for our future. The Asian markets tanked, the European markets lost about 4% as the reality of having a Marxist in the White House is setting in. This is after the market tanked yesterday.
For what it's worth, here's my projection on what will happen economically as the Marxist takes office.
The Marxist will have no choice but spend money like there is no tomorrow on social programs and hand outs to try to make his left wing wacko supporters happy. They will make Bush look frugal and the rescue plan look like a trip to the dime store. That means we will be printing money like there is no tomorrow, so you can plan on rapidly increasing inflation.
Also, look for massive layoffs as businesses give up any hope of a quick turnaround, with Marxist in the White House. Additionally, there will be little reason to make a profit as the taxes will be raised to punish success.
I respect the Presidency and the office. I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Biden, Rahm Manuel, Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and company.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:06am |
re: #542 SteveRogers
The cops eventually chased the Black Panther with the billy club away, but let his unarmed companion, also in Panther uniform, stay at the polling place. Talk about voter intimidation! And this was a majority black precinct.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:21am |
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:42am |
re: #590 Nevergiveup
gonna give them 15 minutes to get outta gaza per the new presidents (elect) direction I suppose.
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Pete-billy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:12am |
Good day all !
Now i'll start reading all above comments ...oops and they are only near 600..
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:28am |
No time for the lolly-gagging this morning. Y'all have a good day!
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:32am |
re: #592 jacksontn
yes, they think russia or china checking forien policy foundations
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jacksontn Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:52am |
re: #600 apachegunner
yes, they think russia or china checking forien policy foundations
Well, do you think the little movement by Russia was a result of them finding anything ...
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:57am |
ooops, forign? one of those mornings I guess :>(
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:02am |
I guess the rebate checks wont go out after all.
NEW YORK (Reuters) – New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Wednesday he has instructed the finance commissioner not to send out $400 property tax rebates to homeowners because the crisis on Wall Street has cost the city dearly in lost tax revenue.
Bloomberg, who hopes to win a third term by convincing voters he is best suited to guide the city through its fiscal crisis, told a news conference that Wall Street already has taken half a trillion dollars in write-downs.
Don't worry,
the Democrats in congress will send us another 2,000 dollars.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:32am |
re: #564 wahabicorridor
Gasoline in New Jersey yesterday $2.13 per gallon.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:33am |
re: #602 jacksontn
nope, I think that happened before they attempted it
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:38am |
re: #595 quickjustice
The cops eventually chased the Black Panther with the billy club away, but let his unarmed companion, also in Panther uniform, stay at the polling place. Talk about voter intimidation! And this was a majority black precinct.
Yes, I had thought having a weapon at a polling site is illegal. There should also be no loitering, but I'm not sure about PA laws.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:51am |
re: #588 I heart the USA
When we were there, the big controversy was on that additive that was causing not only higher prices at the tank, but fires! There were always cars on the side of the freeway that had caught on fire! IIRC, Melanie Morgan (local radio host) was all over that. Do they still have it?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:37am |
re: #577 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
The problem is that reality will never smack her upside the head...she will just find a way to blame the evil rethugs in congress for not allowing her hand outs to pass.
Are there enough Republicans to stop it?
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:50am |
re: #607 SteveRogers
the one remaining was a official official poll watcher
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:47:57am |
re: #594 3 wood
Look for the market to open down as our Marxist overlords prepare their plans for our future. The Asian markets tanked, the European markets lost about 4% as the reality of having a Marxist in the White House is setting in. This is after the market tanked yesterday.
For what it's worth, here's my projection on what will happen economically as the Marxist takes office.
The Marxist will have no choice but spend money like there is no tomorrow on social programs and hand outs to try to make his left wing wacko supporters happy. They will make Bush look frugal and the rescue plan look like a trip to the dime store. That means we will be printing money like there is no tomorrow, so you can plan on rapidly increasing inflation.
Also, look for massive layoffs as businesses give up any hope of a quick turnaround, with Marxist in the White House. Additionally, there will be little reason to make a profit as the taxes will be raised to punish success.
I respect the Presidency and the office. I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Biden, Rahm Manuel, Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and company.
Do you see a hike in the minimum wage?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:12am |
re: #533 bellamags
Ask the designers. D: Maybe if I ever get into my career of choice, I can design an alternative-power car that doesn't look dorky.
Not a fan of retro though...that just sounds like designers lack creativity.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:14am |
re: #589 shanec99
I lived in Sicily, little town close to Catania by the name of Mascalucia, the Sicilians drive fast and they love the tiny cars... there are not as many accidents as I notice when I am back in the states despite the speeds on the Auto Strada.
When I lived in Sicily I drove a Twin Spark Alfa Romeo. Ran like a scalded dog, but I loved the little Fiat 500s. The guys on base used to buy them and make them into pieces of art.
Here is a 500 for car lovers.
Yeah it's amazing how many people drive those little dinky cars but at 1.30 E per liter it's better than driving an F-350.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:36am |
re: #597 apachegunner
gonna give them 15 minutes to get outta gaza per the new presidents (elect) direction I suppose.
Maybe, but did someone forget to tell Obama the Israeli's are already out of Gaza?
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:49:26am |
re: #589 shanec99
No bug can beat Ferdinand Porsche's baby IMO. :3
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:04am |
A Lizard posted this yesterday.
Speaking within hours of Barack Obama’s election, Mr Medvedev announced that Russia would base Iskander missiles in its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad – the former German city – next to the border with Poland.
He did not say whether the short-range missiles would carry nuclear warheads.
Taking advantage of the world’s attention on the US elections, Mr Medvedev also cancelled plans to withdraw three intercontinental ballistic missile regiments from western Russia by 2010.
In his first state-of-the-nation address, Mr Medvedev said the missiles would be deployed “to neutralise if necessary the antiballistic missile system in Europe”. He added that Russia was also ready to deploy its Navy off Kaliningrad and to install electronic jamming devices to interfere with the US shield, which relies on a radar station in the Czech Republic and ten interceptor missiles in Poland.
Nato’s eastern members greeted the Russian move with dismay.
SNIP
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:54am |
re: #569 Beach Lover
What's your take?
My #594 has part of it.
Yes there is a lot of bad economic news out there. But people scared of the market in the short term had cashed out anyway. Now you are going to see money leaving the market in anticipation of the Marxist taking over and potentially confiscating it to "spread the wealth".
Expect the MSM to preemptively protect their guy by trying to lower expectations and continue to blame Bush for everything. You will start hearing that Bush screwed things up so bad that it will take 2 terms to fix it. Look for comparisons to FDR
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:59am |
I am in a rather crappy mood right now from the election and as the Obama starts to name his Cabinet I do not expect it to get any better. Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up hard drugs?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:34am |
re: #613 rightwinger3
Yeah it's amazing how many people drive those little dinky cars but at 1.30 E per liter it's better than driving an F-350.
If it were not for the gas coupons we got on base I would not have been able to afford to do as many things as I did when I lived in Sicily. God, gas was expensive... in 2005 it was the equivalent of $5.80 a gallon. I cannot imagine how much it cost when gas was $4 a gallon in the states, but the Sicilians went about their business, sped along on the Autostrada at incredible speeds and there were few accidents, very few.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:53am |
re: #557 wahabicorridor
You're obviously suggesting Cindy?
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:54am |
re: #608 Beach Lover
When we were there, the big controversy was on that additive that was causing not only higher prices at the tank, but fires! There were always cars on the side of the freeway that had caught on fire! IIRC, Melanie Morgan (local radio host) was all over that. Do they still have it?
I hate to admit this, but I really don't know! I trust that any half-baked feel-good measure that claims to be good for the environment without any real science to back up said claim will be enthusiastically legislated by my fellow Californians. I haven't heard of any fire controversy, so perhaps they've ironed out that little wrinkle. Burning cars are sooo bad for the environment you know!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:53:47am |
re: #619 apachegunner
I forgot :>)
Maybe you forgot but I doubt Obama could find Gaza on a map without 3 or 4 of his foriegn policy advisors next to him.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:54:22am |
"Nato’s eastern members greeted the Russian move with dismay."
Yeah, didn't see that coming.
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I expect Obama will back down when he enters office. Hopefully, he will prove me wrong.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:04am |
re: #610 apachegunner
A Democratic poll watcher, in Black Panther uniform no less, and accompanied by his uniformed Black Panther buddy, swinging around a billy club in a polling place.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:20am |
re: #605 quickjustice
Gasoline in New Jersey yesterday $2.13 per gallon.
I really thought cheaper gas would give McCain the edge,
it helped in NC.
But McCain's election committee never mention McCain voting for the bailout and helping to stabilize/lower gas prices. It was never an issue.
Gruppenführer Obama got credit for the cheaper gas.
Un-fricking- believable.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:22am |
re: #616 laZardo
No bug can beat Ferdinand Porsche's baby IMO. :3
Trust me bro, that is not a bug, its a Fiat 500, its not fast top speed after modifications and being "souped up" may be about 100 mph, but its a lot of fun to drive. Can turn on a dime, and sits in the corner like a dream.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:27am |
re: #621 Nevergiveup
Which reminds me, gonna head out to the nearest Ministop (convenience store chain) for a drink. BRB.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:57:23am |
re: #620 3 wood
My #594 has part of it.
Expect the MSM to preemptively protect their guy by trying to lower expectations and continue to blame Bush for everything. You will start hearing that Bush screwed things up so bad that it will take 2 terms to fix it. Look for comparisons to FDR
My husband and I were saying this exact thing yesterday morning. We figure with full control of Congress and the WH the only thing the MSM would have a tough time covering O for is a botched response to a terrorist attack. God forbid that it come to that.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:58:00am |
re: #620 3 wood
My #594 has part of it.
Yes there is a lot of bad economic news out there. But people scared of the market in the short term had cashed out anyway. Now you are going to see money leaving the market in anticipation of the Marxist taking over and potentially confiscating it to "spread the wealth".
Expect the MSM to preemptively protect their guy by trying to lower expectations and continue to blame Bush for everything. You will start hearing that Bush screwed things up so bad that it will take 2 terms to fix it. Look for comparisons to FDR
A third term, too?
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:58:27am |
re: #611 MandyManners
Do you see a hike in the minimum wage?
Book it.
I also see mandatory paid Family and Medical Leave, mandatory imposition of labor unions, the tax system used as a back door welfare system, carbon footprint taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. I see huge handouts to the MSM and a reintroduction of some form of the Fairness Doctrine.
Look for a hard shift to the left by the Federal government. I heard Rahm Emanuel on a local radio show yesterday and he said they were seeing the vote results as a mandate to shift to the hard left.
I'm not exaggerating, we now have a group of Marxists in charge of the Congress and soon, the White House.
I hope any Republicans who stayed home the last few elections to send Bush and company a message enjoy the results.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:59:08am |
re: #633 laZardo
Yes Sir, you got it. Fiat 500 with the un souped up appearance. Not fast
but fun to drive... nona y nono en machina... molto contenta.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:59:32am |
re: #618 MandyManners
Time to admit Ukraine to NATO, forcing withdrawal of the Russian fleet. More likely, Obama will withdraw from Europe, leaving them to the tender mercies of the Russians.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:59:35am |
re: #635 MandyManners
*whack*
I forgot about the 22nd Amendment.
But, hey! Anything's possible for the CBBHO.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:06am |
re: #621 Nevergiveup
I am in a rather crappy mood right now from the election and as the Obama starts to name his Cabinet I do not expect it to get any better. Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up hard drugs?
I'm thinking of taking up smoking pot again.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:09am |
re: #636 3 wood
I hope that wasn't an attempt to cheer me up?
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:32am |
re: #636 3 wood
I hope any Republicans who stayed home the last few elections to send Bush and company a message enjoy the results.
Me too. I hope everyone is prepared to learn the hard lesson of being careful what they wish for. On the right and the left. Enjoy, assholes!
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:34am |
re: #634 I heart the USA
God forbid that it come to that.
I agree, but I also expect Israel to be attacked before January is over. I expect the Us to be attacked within 12 months. I'm sure terrorists the world over are scrambling right now to work up new plans. Who's going to stop them? The Marxist-elect?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:55am |
re: #640 MandyManners
I'm thinking of taking up smoking pot again.
Look on the bright side, they might actually make that legal?
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:17am |
re: #623 quickjustice
You're obviously suggesting Cindy?
NO! Cindy is not a staffer for goodness sake!
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:25am |
re: #636 3 wood
Book it.
I also see mandatory paid Family and Medical Leave, mandatory imposition of labor unions, the tax system used as a back door welfare system, carbon footprint taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. I see huge handouts to the MSM and a reintroduction of some form of the Fairness Doctrine.
Look for a hard shift to the left by the Federal government. I heard Rahm Emanuel on a local radio show yesterday and he said they were seeing the vote results as a mandate to shift to the hard left.
I'm not exaggerating, we now have a group of Marxists in charge of the Congress and soon, the White House.
I hope any Republicans who stayed home the last few elections to send Bush and company a message enjoy the results.
"Fairness Doctrine:" Only for radio. They wouldn't force the MSM thave conservative coverage.
At least we still have a fillibuster in the Senate.
Hopefully.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:30am |
Now the story comes that some dude within the McCain camp (a "trusted" one) was fired for "trashing" the staff. Next thing you know, they'll be putting the rumour out there that the guy was having an affair with Sarah.
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
Ooops! I just checked, and now the guy says he was not fired:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:47am |
re: #636 3 wood
Book it.
I also see mandatory paid Family and Medical Leave, mandatory imposition of labor unions, the tax system used as a back door welfare system, carbon footprint taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. I see huge handouts to the MSM and a reintroduction of some form of the Fairness Doctrine.
Look for a hard shift to the left by the Federal government. I heard Rahm Emanuel on a local radio show yesterday and he said they were seeing the vote results as a mandate to shift to the hard left.
I'm not exaggerating, we now have a group of Marxists in charge of the Congress and soon, the White House.
I hope any Republicans who stayed home the last few elections to send Bush and company a message enjoy the results.
Middlecon about drove me nuts earlier in the thread. I suspect there's something trollish about him. He thinks CBBHO is a liberal Democrat.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:02:03am |
re: #638 quickjustice
Time to admit Ukraine to NATO, forcing withdrawal of the Russian fleet. More likely, Obama will withdraw from Europe, leaving them to the tender mercies of the Russians.
Would the pro of that be the euros finally learn to defend themselves, or is that too much "HOPE"?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:02:26am |
re: #638 quickjustice
Time to admit Ukraine to NATO, forcing withdrawal of the Russian fleet. More likely, Obama will withdraw from Europe, leaving them to the tender mercies of the Russians.
Can Pres. Bush push NATO to admit Ukraine before he leaves office?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:01am |
re: #644 Nevergiveup
Look on the bright side, they might actually make that legal?
No 'cause then they'll tax the shit out of it.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:10am |
re: #636 3 wood
think of the billions they will make off the carbon offset, al bore wil be a multibillionair for sure.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:11am |
re: #645 Sharmuta
You go girl!
Don't do it... it will increase your probability of cancer... and hell with government run healthcare on the way you never know when you will be able to see a Doctor except one like Dr. Kervorkian (pathologist).
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:21am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:04:01am |
re: #650 Sharmuta
Would the pro of that be the euros finally learn to defend themselves, or is that too much "HOPE"?
Even if the Europeans all of a sudden "grew a pair" what are they gonna defend themselves with --rhetoric?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:04:09am |
re: #647 SteveRogers
"Fairness Doctrine:" Only for radio. They wouldn't force the MSM thave conservative coverage.
At least we still have a fillibuster in the Senate.
Hopefully.
Arms can be twisted to prevent a fillibuster.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:04:22am |
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srb1976 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:04:44am |
re: #643 3 wood
I agree, but I also expect Israel to be attacked before January is over. I expect the Us to be attacked within 12 months. I'm sure terrorists the world over are scrambling right now to work up new plans. Who's going to stop them? The Marxist-elect?
You're giving it 12 months....that's kind....11 more than I was thinking
/hoping like hell I'm wrong
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:05:28am |
re: #641 Nevergiveup
I hope that wasn't an attempt to cheer me up?
If you are not familiar with me, you will find that I am not given to exaggeration. I am a technical analyst by nature. I say what I see.
If you go back a month or two you will see posts by me screaming about the coming market implosion and that the Fed's needed to undertake emergency measures to keep the banking system from imploding. I know sopme folks thought I was exaggerating.
If anything, I was understating the situation.
Also, look for unemployment of about 10% now that Obama is elected. Comapnies are going to cut staff like you can not believe now.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:06:01am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:06:55am |
re: #659 Nevergiveup
Good point!
They'd probably do that just to tax it. And, most pot-heads would be too laid-back to protest.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:11am |
re: #663 MandyManners
ahhhh, your not so bad after all :>)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:24am |
re: #662 3 wood
I am familiar with you and I like your analysis. I was being facetious.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:25am |
re: #643 3 wood
I agree, but I also expect Israel to be attacked before January is over. I expect the Us to be attacked within 12 months. I'm sure terrorists the world over are scrambling right now to work up new plans. Who's going to stop them? The Marxist-elect?
If Obamarx and Congress engage in non-stop handouts to quiet the masses while killing the revenue-generators, the only thing that would give us a chance in 2010 is the national security issue. A terrorist attack on our soil and the whiny electorate will run to the GOP for protection. But what a horrible price to have to pay!
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rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:39am |
re: #630 ibmkeyboard
Gruppenführer Obama got credit for the cheaper gas.
He actually helped cause it. Gas is so cheap because demand has dropped dramatically due to the huge economic downturn caused by the sub-prime mess which in turn was caused by BHO, ACORN, Franks, Dodd, and a host of other Democrats.
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:54am |
re: #647 SteveRogers
"Fairness Doctrine:" Only for radio. They wouldn't force the MSM thave conservative coverage.
At least we still have a fillibuster in the Senate.
Hopefully.
These guys on the left now think they can outlaw conservative thought, and they believe they have the judges in place to make it stick.
They believe that the Constitution says whatever they want it to say.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:00am |
re: #658 MandyManners
Arms can be twisted to prevent a fillibuster.
True, but any Republican that gives in would have to know their career is over. Then again, who would report it? Damn! That's a depressing thought!
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:18am |
re: #574 Sharmuta
Thanks! He's got a ton more. Everyone on the left should take a look at his "The Road to Serfdom."
I was personally saddened watching such a large percentage of African-Americans blindly throwing their support in the ring for Obama, all the while knowing that they were undoing a century and a half of civil rights gains by negating rights for everyone. Back towards slavery, I guess. This FREEDOM is just too much work for a majority of Americans these days.
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:37am |
re: #623 quickjustice
You're obviously suggesting Cindy?
I can't imagine it being Cindy. She seemed to genuinely like Palin. I would tend to believe it to be one of his female "advisors" that felt threatened by Palin. I know one of my son's friends was an advisor of Dean's (yeeeeawwwww) back in the day, and he was very "catty" about every little thing. It was amusing. Of course, after the loss, he went on to another campaign. It was enlightening to see how these people go from one to another. After awhile, I guess, their access and influence becomes their reward.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:09am |
Good morning, it occurs to me that we are hanging way to many hopes on the Republicans using 4 votes in the Senate as a firebreak to threaten a filibuster and enforce a legislative veto. Eight years ago the Democrats had the discipline to use that maneuver and President Bush folded before the threat. The Senate Democrats effectively ruled from a minority position.
The one time that was challenged over the failure to advance judicial appointments McCain joined the Democrats in a compromise that preserved the minority veto without their resorting to an actual filibuster. If they had been forced to actually use the threatened filibuster the cost to the Democrats would have been enormous. The Gingrich revolution in the House ended after the MSM demonized him for "shutting down the government." Historical images of segregationist Democrats using the filibuster to fight civil rights legislation would have been toxic to them but they never had to pay the price.
The Republicans lack the discipline the Democrats showed. Only 10% of the remaining Republican Senators have to be pealed off to allow the Democrats to achieve all their goals and permanently reshape America. The Republican minority in the Senate will prove to be as weak a defense of the traditional order in America as the House of Lords proved to be in Britain.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:42am |
re: #664 MandyManners
They'd probably do that just to tax it. And, most pot-heads would be too laid-back to protest.
Well at least the farmers will make some huge profits... lots of increased appetites,
Problem with obesity may also increase though... well back to the problem with government run health care again.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:58am |
re: #670 SteveRogers
True, but any Republican that gives in would have to know their career is over. Then again, who would report it? Damn! That's a depressing thought!
There is that.
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Crux Australis Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:03am |
re: #636 3 wood
Book it.
I also see mandatory paid Family and Medical Leave, mandatory imposition of labor unions, the tax system used as a back door welfare system, carbon footprint taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. I see huge handouts to the MSM and a reintroduction of some form of the Fairness Doctrine.
That sounds a lot like Australia. Australia has the highest minimum wage on earth, paid maternity leave, womb-to-tomb social security and universal health care.
Although Australia still has a relatively free media. You can't discuss certain Islamic religious practices or you'll end up being sued or jailed.
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kcladderman Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:32am |
re: #662 3 wood
If you are not familiar with me, you will find that I am not given to exaggeration. I am a technical analyst by nature. I say what I see.
If you go back a month or two you will see posts by me screaming about the coming market implosion and that the Fed's needed to undertake emergency measures to keep the banking system from imploding. I know sopme folks thought I was exaggerating.
If anything, I was understating the situation.
Also, look for unemployment of about 10% now that Obama is elected. Comapnies are going to cut staff like you can not believe now.
Yes but that will still be Bushes fault.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:57am |
re: #675 shanec99
Well at least the farmers will make some huge profits... lots of increased appetites,
Problem with obesity may also increase though... well back to the problem with government run health care again.
Who's to say that the private sector would be in charge of production?!
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:01am |
The Nikkei dropped 6.5% and the Hang Seng about 7% overnight.
Look for another bad day on the market.
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VioletTiger Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:06am |
Just saw that Jon Corzine is being considered for treasury sec. Take our governor! Please!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:36am |
re: #667 I heart the USA
If Obamarx and Congress engage in non-stop handouts to quiet the masses while killing the revenue-generators, the only thing that would give us a chance in 2010 is the national security issue. A terrorist attack on our soil and the whiny electorate will run to the GOP for protection. But what a horrible price to have to pay!
I am actually kinda worried about that myself. I expect the active duty military to be both cut and also shrink because of voluntary attrition. As that happens, if the shit hits the fan as I also expect it to, they will be forced to call up an increasing number of reserves. Since I am in the Navy Reserve, that is something I will have to prepare for.
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:56am |
re: #649 MandyManners
Middlecon about drove me nuts earlier in the thread. I suspect there's something trollish about him. He thinks CBBHO is a liberal Democrat.
I agree. I tried to pin him down and make him explain why he equated a successful Obama with a successful country, given Obama's stated plans. Waste of my time.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:12:47am |
re: #681 3 wood
The Nikkei dropped 6.5% and the Hang Seng about 7% overnight.
Look for another bad day on the market.
I'm looking for the first real market rally some time in two years IF we can take back Congress in the mid-terms.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:16am |
re: #680 MandyManners
Who's to say that the private sector would be in charge of production?!
Good lord... the thought of some hungry, high pot heads. Sounds like muggings would increase because they would have to find a way to find food to sate their appetites.
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:21am |
Hannity has a list of suggestions for the conservatives to regain their direction:
Hannity's Top 10 Items of Conservatism
1) To be the Candidate of National security:
a) Victory in Iraq
b) Fully support NSA, Patriot act, tough interrogations, keeping Gitmo open
c) A Candidate that pledges to NOT demean our military while they are fighting for their Country. eg Harry Reid: "the surge has failed", "the war is lost"
d) Candidate that promises to ensure that our veterans can live out their lives in dignity.2) The Candidate who pledges to oppose Appeasement:
a) The Candidate will oppose any and all efforts to negotiate with dictators of the world in places like Iran, Syria, N.Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela without "pre-conditions"3) The Candidate Pledges to support Tax CUTS, and fiscal responsibility:
a) The American people are NOT under taxed, Government Spends too much
b) The Candidate who Pledges to ELIMINATE and VOTE AGAINST ALL Earmarks
c) The Candidate pledges to BALANCE the budget4) The Candidate Pledges to be a supporter of "Energy Independence"
a) supports Immediate drilling in Anwar and the 48 states
b) Building new refineries
c) Begin building and using Nuclear Facilities
d) expand coal mining
e) realistic steward of the environment
While simultaneously working with private industry to develop the new energy technologies for the future, with the goal being that America becomes completely energy independent within the next 15 years.5) The Candidate pledges to secure our borders completely within 12 months:
a) build all necessary fences
b) use all available technology to help and support agents at the border
c) train and hire agents as needed6) Healthcare:
The Candidate will look for Free-Market solutions to the problems facing the Healthcare industry, and will vigorously oppose any efforts to "nationalize healthcare".
a) The Candidate will fight for Individual health savings accounts, that includes "catastrophic insurance" for every American, so people can control their own healthcare choices.7) Education:
a) The Candidate pledges to "save" American children from the failing educational system
b) The Candidate will fight to break the unholy alliance of the Democratic party and teachers unions, which at best has institutionalized mediocrity, and has failed children across the country
c) fight for "CHOICE" in education and let parents decide
d) fight for vouchers for parents8) Social Security and Medicare:
a) The Candidate will "save" social security and medicare from bankruptcy.
b) Options will include "private retirement" funds so people can "control" their own destiny.9) Judges
a) The Candidate vows to support ONLY judges who recognize that their job is to interpret the Constitution, and NOT legislate from the bench.10) American Dream:
The Candidate accepts as their duty and responsibility to educate, inform, and remind people that with the blessings of Freedom comes a Great responsibility. That Government's primary goal is to preserve, protect and defend our God given gift of freedom.That Government's do not have the ability to solve all of our problems, and to take away all of our fears and concerns. We need their pledge that we will be the candidate that promotes Individual liberty, Capitalism, a strong national defense and will support policies that encourage such...
It is our fundamental belief that limited Government, and Greater individual responsibility will insure the continued prosperity and success for future generations.
We the people who believe in the words of Ronald Reagan, that we are "the best last hope for man on this earth," "a shining city on a hill," and that our best days are before us if our Government will simply trust the American people.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:36am |
Morning everyone.... morning Dorian!
How goes it?
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beblebrox Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:58am |
re: #640 MandyManners
I'm thinking of taking up smoking pot again.
looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffng glue
/loved that movie
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:13am |
re: #687 3 wood
I don't care if sean vannity and I agreed on every point- he can kiss my ass.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:33am |
re: #684 I heart the USA
I agree. I tried to pin him down and make him explain why he equated a successful Obama with a successful country, given Obama's stated plans. Waste of my time.
I gave up on him.
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abolitionist Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:39am |
re: #592 jacksontn
Good Morning Lizards ...
Anyone hear anything about campaign computers being hacked? I heard something but just for a second this morning.
Obama and McCain campaigns victims of sophisticated cyberattack by unknown "foreign entity"
The computer systems of both the Obama and McCain campaigns were victims of a sophisticated cyberattack by an unknown "foreign entity," prompting a federal investigation, NEWSWEEK reports today.
[snip]
The Feds assured the Obama team that it had not been hacked by its political opponents. (Obama technical experts later speculated that the hackers were Russian or Chinese.)
Campaign PCs of Obama, McCain cyberattacked
The Newsweek report is part of a special edition that will be on newsstands November 6 through 16, and online November 5 through 7.
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3 wood Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:45am |
re: #683 Nevergiveup
I am actually kinda worried about that myself. I expect the active duty military to be both cut and also shrink because of voluntary attrition. As that happens, if the shit hits the fan as I also expect it to, they will be forced to call up an increasing number of reserves. Since I am in the Navy Reserve, that is something I will have to prepare for.
I think Obama will surrender to the terrorists in Iraq within 6 months of taking office and cut the military.
He wants to spend that money on his supporters.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:47am |
re: #674 lifeofthemind
which brings to mind the "nuclear option", thank god we didn't use that.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:55am |
re: #686 shanec99
Good lord... the thought of some hungry, high pot heads. Sounds like muggings would increase because they would have to find a way to find food to sate their appetites.
Mugging for Cheetos!
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:56am |
re: #688 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Morning everyone.... morning Dorian!
How goes it?
Pretty good Vet, and you?
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:15:39am |
re: #623 quickjustice
You're obviously suggesting Cindy?
Ok, Bill Kristol on Fox just spilled the beans so I can say it here - Nicole Wallace
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:09am |
re: #690 Sharmuta
I don't care if sean vannity and I agreed on every point- he can kiss my ass.
Can I be Sean for a moment?... please invite me to do the same... give me your address and I will gladly comply.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:17am |
No one has been talking about the real big news yesterday which was Russia's moving missiles into Kaliningrad.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:13am |
re: #696 doriangrey
Waiting for all the shoes to start dropping... but otherwise starting to perk up, hoping beyond hope Obama really is Carter II and not Mao II.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:38am |
re: #692 abolitionist
My guess is they probably did it for the lulz.
/it happens where I hang out. (;
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kcladderman Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:41am |
re: #702 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Waiting for all the shoes to start dropping... but otherwise starting to perk up, hoping beyond hope Obama really is Carter II and not Mao II.
Hell of a day when the best you can hope for is another Carter.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:53am |
Sharpton on FOX - is he gonna be insufferable the next 4 years. I turned it off before he had a chance to open his mouth.
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:07am |
re: #683 Nevergiveup
my agency has been working on just that since desert storm
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:08am |
So I'm catching up on the posts I've missed and suddenly I'm glad I actually bought a drink. %)
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:27am |
re: #689 beblebrox
looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffng glue
/loved that movie
"I can make a brooch, I can make a terradactyl...."
Best line in the movie.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:27am |
re: #702 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Waiting for all the shoes to start dropping... but otherwise starting to perk up, hoping beyond hope Obama really is Carter II and not Mao II.
And the distinction being?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:39am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine morning?
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:03am |
re: #702 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Waiting for all the shoes to start dropping... but otherwise starting to perk up, hoping beyond hope Obama really is Carter II and not Mao II.
I am hoping and praying that Obama turns out to be a great President, that he moves further right than anyone expects.
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beblebrox Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:26am |
re: #711 BaseballMom57
"I can make a brooch, I can make a terradactyl...."
Best line in the movie.
"There's a sale at Penneys!"
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:30am |
re: #713 HoosierHoops
See my #355. I've even got a DKos account "fired up and ready to go", but that was probably from my Stage 4 out of the Acceptance line.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:45am |
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lifeofthemind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:52am |
re: #694 apachegunner
which brings to mind the "nuclear option", thank god we didn't use that.
I'm feeling pretty bloody minded and nuclear at the moment so why not?
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:06am |
re: #695 MandyManners
Mugging for Cheetos!
Nope... muging for chocolate bars... gotta keep the kids inside.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:16am |
re: #687 3 wood
I know we are not supposed to be the party of simple solutions, but I think we need a slightly more streamlined message than Hannity's proposal.
The Reality & Common Sense Party works for me.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:18am |
My apologies, 3 Wood-
If sean wants to dictate the direction the party moves in, he should quit his jobs and head the party. I could give a shit after what we've seen the last few months what elitist media washington/NYC "conservatives" think we should do.
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:31am |
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:36am |
morning dorian, passing the bottle to ya. hi hoops.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:11am |
re: #725 apachegunner
morning dorian, passing the bottle to ya. hi hoops.
Thank you, I need it..... ;)
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:23am |
re: #705 ploome hineni
get a room
That was the hope... if she would invite me, i would gladly pay for it. A woman telling me to kiss her ass... that is an instant turn on.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:41am |
re: #725 apachegunner
morning dorian, passing the bottle to ya. hi hoops.
Hiya!
Starting a drinking thread? woohoo!
Need more coffee..
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rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:57am |
Its not the lack of troops that will bring down Iraq, its the lack of funding. Obama wants that money too. On the up side Iran will have problems filling the void, cheap oil is killing them. (And Hugo Chavez also)
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I heart the USA Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:09am |
re: #683 Nevergiveup
I am actually kinda worried about that myself. I expect the active duty military to be both cut and also shrink because of voluntary attrition. As that happens, if the shit hits the fan as I also expect it to, they will be forced to call up an increasing number of reserves. Since I am in the Navy Reserve, that is something I will have to prepare for.
I don't blame you for being worried. All of you military men and women deserve - no, are owed - the best our government can provide you, and you will be at the greatest risk because of this America-hating bastard. I am sorry and ashamed at the stupidity and selfishness of the voters who elected that Marxist piece of shit to be our Commander-in-Chief. At least you know that half the country truly appreciates your service to our nation. :)
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apachegunner Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:42am |
waiting for the direction of putting a picture of nobama on my office wall kinda like dear leader
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:45am |
re: #712 Nevergiveup
And the distinction being?
Carter = incompetence.
Mao = intentional undermining.
One actually is more dangerous than the other.
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SteveRogers Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:13am |
re: #708 Nevergiveup
Sharpton on FOX - is he gonna be insufferable the next 4 years. I turned it off before he had a chance to open his mouth.
At least he's not blubbering like Jackson was.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:21am |
re: #730 rancher
That plus their spiking inflation mean that they may have to fast-track their plans for world domination. Perhaps it might be a plus with what we've seen when the North Koreans developed their own...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:22am |
re: #715 doriangrey
I am hoping and praying that Obama turns out to be a great President, that he moves further right than anyone expects.
Yeah, that would be a shocker and the best result for the country.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:22am |
Isn't Nicole Wallace Detective Goren's deceased archenemy?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:53am |
re: #734 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Carter = incompetence.
Mao = intentional undermining.
One actually is more dangerous than the other.
Yea.. It's all fun and games until Pol Pot walks into the room.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:32:04am |
re: #737 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yeah, that would be a shocker and the best result for the country.
I refuse to be like the democrats who demonized Bush for eight years. I will watch what Obama does and hope for the best. When he try's to do something that I do not like I will oppose him just as I did Bush on the immigration issue. But I will not demonize the President of the United States even if he is not the man I voted for.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:02am |
Putin may return to Kremlin in '09: report
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I wonder if Obama has the same advisors as Putin?
/
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:14am |
re: #740 rightside
Hey HH!
Hi Rightside..what's kick'n today?
/ I'm 34,794,976 on the list for re education camp..Pretty happy for that.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:22am |
re: #739 Bumr50
Isn't Nicole Wallace Detective Goren's deceased archenemy?
Hey! I do believe you're right - forgot about that!
gotta hop
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:34:28am |
re: #741 Rancher
Business article, 29% inflation in Iran for September.
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alien_mind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:34:33am |
re: #656 Nevergiveup
Even if the Europeans all of a sudden "grew a pair" what are they gonna defend themselves with --rhetoric?
yes, and if rhetoric doesn't get the job done they'll roll out the heavy artillery,,,a sternly worded memo.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:35:41am |
re: #743 doriangrey
I refuse to be like the democrats who demonized Bush for eight years. I will watch what Obama does and hope for the best. When he try's to do something that I do not like I will oppose him just as I did Bush on the immigration issue. But I will not demonize the President of the United States even if he is not the man I voted for.
What the heck am I supposed to do with the Voodoo doll then?
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:08am |
re: #743 doriangrey
As an under-40 something, I'm struck by the similarities between the lefts treatment of Nixon and Bush. Having not been cognizant during Nixon's term, but growing up afterwards, I can't help but word associate "Nixon" without "bad", "evil", or other negative connotation.
Liberals have done a similar thing to the name "Bush" for the young people and the less aware segments of our society.
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:40am |
re: #751 HoosierHoops
You could give me a poke just in case I make my discouragement a bit too well-known. I could use one.
/AAAGH! NOT THAT HARD!
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laZardo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:37:45am |
re: #752 Bumr50
As a 21-year-old, whenever I think Bill, first word to come to mind is "Monica."
/that's what I get for growing up in a gossip-loving ("chismis" is the word here) society.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:38:46am |
re: #751 HoosierHoops
What the heck am I supposed to do with the Voodoo doll then?
Save it. Wait to see what he does.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:38:58am |
re: #751 HoosierHoops
What the heck am I supposed to do with the Voodoo doll then?
Have a tea party and give it tea spiked with whiskey..... ;)
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joan Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:39:40am |
re: #13 laxmatt1984
FYI, Democrats are using the 700 B bailout to funnel money to MSNBC.
[Link: thecablegame.blogspot.com...]Plenty of coverage at thecablegame.blogspot.com
1) If this handout to GE is not properly firewalled from their media concerns, then a Supreme Court challenge should be attempted
2) Liberals must really believe that totalitarianism can be benevolent, if only benevolent people, like themselves, are the lampreys in charge
3) If GE gets the money and channels it to media, then we should:
ANNOUNCE: "Dear Leader Establishes Ministry of Truth" etc. And never deviate from Invoking The One's title as Dear Leader, or from repeating the ungood mindcrimes at every opportunity
NEVER refer to any beneficiary network in any other manner than:
"Ministry of Truth organ, MSNBC, today claimed__________"
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:27am |
re: #754 Bumr50
I call top bunk!
Good, because I prefer bottom bunk, not as far to fall when yanked rudely out of bed at 2am.... ;)
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Beach Lover Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:41am |
anyone know what will happen with Ted Stevens? What are the chances that Sarah could appoint herself to the senate seat?
/You may have already hashed this one out yesterday, but I missed it.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:01am |
re: #752 Bumr50
As an under-40 something, I'm struck by the similarities between the lefts treatment of Nixon and Bush. Having not been cognizant during Nixon's term, but growing up afterwards, I can't help but word associate "Nixon" without "bad", "evil", or other negative connotation.
Liberals have done a similar thing to the name "Bush" for the young people and the less aware segments of our society.
Part of the problem is us conservatives "play nice" and give the other team's guy a fair shake. They don't and never will again.
/Result: Dem presidents are legitimate, Repubs are not.
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marge45b Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:20am |
I will support the new president-elect government and if he does something I don't like I'll oppose him too. I will give him the respect that the office represents and that is that. The Republican party will purge the rift-raft out (High spenders and preverts) and start again on conservative front. We need Newt like '94!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:59am |
re: #760 Beach Lover
anyone know what will happen with Ted Stevens? What are the chances that Sarah could appoint herself to the senate seat?
/You may have already hashed this one out yesterday, but I missed it.
I think that is the case. That the Gov. appoints someone. The question is for how long. There might have to be a new election within a specified time.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:13am |
re: #757 doriangrey
Have a tea party and give it tea spiked with whiskey..... ;)
In the middle of the State of the Union?
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kcladderman Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:50am |
re: #743 doriangrey
I refuse to be like the democrats who demonized Bush for eight years. I will watch what Obama does and hope for the best. When he try's to do something that I do not like I will oppose him just as I did Bush on the immigration issue. But I will not demonize the President of the United States even if he is not the man I voted for.
I agree Dorian I also hope most lizards will come around to that way of thinking. He was elected by the American people and will be our president for four years. So I certainly hope this place doesn't become plagued by OBS.
I also understand how upset most lizards are at this outcome and that we need time to vent our frustrations and that is in part why we are all here.
After the shock wears off we will watch and hope for the best .
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BaseballMom57 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:59am |
re: #732 I heart the USA
And a big AMEN to that, heart. And again I say, AMEN.
(And an upding for good measure.)
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Diamond Bullet Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:45:22am |
Alright, let's get pragmatic. I've been asking friends what I, personally, can do to mitigate the various ills our new socialist President is almost certain to inflict on me personally and on the country in general. The only near parallel appears to be the Carter years, and there weren't a lot of safe havens then for anybody. Should I move everything into cash to try to benefit from high interest rates? Move it - and possibly my family - offshore for a while? What is the best way to deal with this guy?
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LindaMarie Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:19am |
Evening all - how is Lizard Land tonignt/ this morning?
I am disappoited - ney shocked by the results of the election.
But I will give Obama the benifit of the doubt and hope for the best.
ducking under my desk - incoming from a few
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:53am |
re: #766 kcladderman
I agree Dorian I also hope most lizards will come around to that way of thinking. He was elected by the American people and will be our president for four years. So I certainly hope this place doesn't become plagued by OBS.
I also understand how upset most lizards are at this outcome and that we need time to vent our frustrations and that is in part why we are all here.
After the shock wears off we will watch and hope for the best .
Agreed.
Note to DKos: Battered and bruised but certainly not broken. Now I'm gunning for ya.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:58am |
re: #762 marge45b
I will support the new president-elect government and if he does something I don't like I'll oppose him too. I will give him the respect that the office represents and that is that. The Republican party will purge the rift-raft out (High spenders and preverts) and start again on conservative front. We need Newt like '94!
I respectfully disagree that the Republican party is in the process of purging ANYTHING except their cajones and Sarah Palin.
Change is needed at the top. And by change I mean from the ground up.
See! We can have Change too!
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Rancher Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:25am |
Obama has two things on his mind, re-election and legacy. If he screws up the economy he's out in one term. The problem is the congress, I can't see him reigning them in. On Iran I've always said both he and Hillary will not want to be the ones to loose this war, especially after we damn near have it won. Again the problem will be congress. The dems will have no one to blame, except Bush and I'm already hearing that one, but it won't fly.
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yochanan Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:04am |
presidents can only do so much SO EXPECT LOTS OF DISAPPOINTMENT on the left when the PIE IN THE SKY isn't delivered
on issues i care about I don't intend to roll over and play dead for 4 years.
the office of President gets respect even if i hate the occupant. Which is something the left never did.
expect to have to organize demo's and other kinds of protest for things like supporting Israel and arab terrorism
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:52:30am |
re: #768 Diamond Bullet
Alright, let's get pragmatic. I've been asking friends what I, personally, can do to mitigate the various ills our new socialist President is almost certain to inflict on me personally and on the country in general. The only near parallel appears to be the Carter years, and there weren't a lot of safe havens then for anybody. Should I move everything into cash to try to benefit from high interest rates? Move it - and possibly my family - offshore for a while? What is the best way to deal with this guy?
Thinking about that a lot as well. The Grand Caymans are nice this time of year. ;)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:53:02am |
re: #772 Rancher
The country also has the advantage of competing power bases even within the ruling party. Obama may want something, but it will have to have Pelosi's and Reid's (and others) stamps on it. Not that they'd resist something Obama wants, but they would want it fleshed out in ways they can take full credit for.
Or they risk becoming rubber stamps that seem to have no power of their own.
Powerful people hate that. So, this will cause them to water down or even reject Obama proposals, just to show they have authority.
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joan Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:23am |
re: #743 doriangrey
I refuse to be like the democrats who demonized Bush for eight years. I will watch what Obama does and hope for the best. When he try's to do something that I do not like I will oppose him just as I did Bush on the immigration issue. But I will not demonize the President of the United States even if he is not the man I voted for.
I will join you until: political show trials are convened with Republican office holders deposed under oath, and jailed, fined, smeared as policy decisions are criminalized. That is what Smilin' Joe has in mind, and I don't mean Joe Stalin, I mean Joe BidenStal.
Note to Self: Refer to all confirmed Dem apparatchiks as ________-Stal to convey Stalin and Leni Riefenstal hybrid
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midwestgak Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:30am |
Drive by
God - in case any Leftist is taking notes - has preserved four precious creations in this world: America, Israel, the Jewish people, and the Christian faith. Those who would vaporize our hope cannot do the same to God. Moreover, God has created a reality in which venality leads to self-destruction, pathological lying leads to loss of meaning, and lust for power leads to infantile helplessness. We have reasons to hope today. Take that hope. The world is full of battles before us, but victory is assured.
-- Bruce Walker is the author of two books: Sinisterism: Secular Religion of the Lie, and his recently published book, The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity.
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shanec99 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:32am |
re: #774 Rancher
Ouch!
Those poor Iranians... God help them.
The Dinner Jacket as President and the Mad Mullahs as over lords. No people should have to endure what those people are enduring.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:43am |
"Caitlin Might Have Been Given A Pass On The Penises, The Swastikas Were A No-Go"
[Link: www.faniq.com...]
Funny thing is my eyes were drawn elsewhere? But that's just me.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:55:35am |
re: #766 kcladderman
I agree Dorian I also hope most lizards will come around to that way of thinking. He was elected by the American people and will be our president for four years. So I certainly hope this place doesn't become plagued by OBS.
I also understand how upset most lizards are at this outcome and that we need time to vent our frustrations and that is in part why we are all here.
After the shock wears off we will watch and hope for the best .
I am plenty shocked and upset, but at the end of the day I AM "Joe the Plumber" an American Citizen. And like it or not, my beloved America did elect Barak Obama to the office of President of the United States. It is the office of President that I respect, and pray that the man serving in that office proves likewise to be worthy of my respect.
Anything that the President does that is good for the United States I will support, what he does that I believe to be bad for the United States I will oppose. I will bend over backwards to give Obama the benifit of a doubt so long as he gives me a reason to. I will under no circumstances attack him as the left attacked Bush. But I will not sit silently if and when he does anything that will hurt our constitution or our nation.
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Irene NYC Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:01am |
re: #469 Sharmuta
FUCKING A!
When the electorate thinks the democrats are more fiscally responsible than republicans, then we are no longer conservatives. We are a joke.
The last two elections we had our asses handed to us because we ceased being the party of fiscal restraint and responsibility. We started spending like liberals. How easy we made it for them to look more moderate than we. Great play, dems. We even handed it to you on a silver platter. Bravo.
Return to real conservative positions- smaller government and fiscal restraint and we will win back seats in congress in two years..
I don't think that's principally why the republicans lost. There is just so much media bashing anybody can take. We've had eight years of unrelenting, negative sh*t being spewed at us from every forum possible - academia, print journalism, television, movies, advertising, best sellers, philosophers, etc. Everywhere you looked the message was the same: Republicans are EVIL, every problem in the world was caused by Republicans, Americans are imperialists, etc. I was speaking with a friend yesterday who had volunteered for Obama and she was relating how elated she was working with people-of-color (!) to defeat the EVIL republicans. (Yes, she actually used that word and she calls herself enlightened.)
Now, you have an electorate that's been spoonfed this crap every single day for two generations now and they've come to believe it. FOX news and a handful of conservative radio personalities cannot undo what has taken 40 years to develop.
The point isn't fiscal conservatism - that is just a means to an end and the end is liberty and freedom for all. We value free markets and private property because experience has shown them to work but we've lost sight of that with concepts like "social justice" replacing "rule of law." Check out, for example, Sandra Tsing Loh's latest article in The Atlantic where she attacks capitalism and even elections because it doesn't take into consideration that - according to the studies she cites - women don't like to compete, they'd rather nurture. Even if that proposition were true, that doesn't invalidate the efficiencies and advantages of free market societies. Her type of attacks on everything this country is founded on are all too common:
Given the apparent female neuro-endocrinic aversion to competitive, winner-take-all activities like elections, unless testosterone shots become a new female norm, even democracy (thanks, Founding Fathers), with its boastful, chest-beating campaigning, is clearly stacked against female candidates.
You just cannot make this stuff up.
So, it's back to basics we go.
/my $0.02
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onlinegangsta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:49am |
re: #780 Nevergiveup
"Caitlin Might Have Been Given A Pass On The Penises, The Swastikas Were A No-Go"
[Link: www.faniq.com...]
Funny thing is my eyes were drawn elsewhere? But that's just me.
Huh?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:58:32am |
re: #779 shanec99
Those poor Iranians... God help them.
The Dinner Jacket as President and the Mad Mullahs as over lords. No people should have to endure what those people are enduring.
Hmmm... ugly economic conditions, dictatorial government... standard playbook answer: start a war against a common enemy to distract the people.
Any ideas as to what would be considered a good target?
/rhetorical question
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:00am |
re: #782 Irene NYC
I'm oftentimes struck by the opposition to marketplace competition by the very same people who promote evolution as the be all and end all to existence.
FTR I believe in the theory of evolution.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:03am |
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kcladderman Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:48am |
re: #781 doriangrey
I am plenty shocked and upset, but at the end of the day I AM "Joe the Plumber" an American Citizen. And like it or not, my beloved America did elect Barak Obama to the office of President of the United States. It is the office of President that I respect, and pray that the man serving in that office proves likewise to be worthy of my respect.
Anything that the President does that is good for the United States I will support, what he does that I believe to be bad for the United States I will oppose. I will bend over backwards to give Obama the benifit of a doubt so long as he gives me a reason to. I will under no circumstances attack him as the left attacked Bush. But I will not sit silently if and when he does anything that will hurt our constitution or our nation.
1000 updings
We will not fight imaginary demons but we will fight to protect our country.
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LindaMarie Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:04am |
re: #774 Rancher
Ouch - ZImbowue is the worst - now the inflation rate is
The official rate of inflation is 230 million percent, the world's highest, but independent analysts put the figure in billions.
Still,just image a loaf of bead inceasing that much in one month?
I have to kind of think this is payback in a way. US economy is in trouble and oil prices tumble.
OPEC - be careful what you wish for. Opps too late and too much hate to even think what the US/world economy means to them.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:18am |
re: #738 rightside
This is a really good read, if you haven't read it yet.
Good link, I commented on the thread there. Unfortunately very little there was on Mr Bolton's fine points and most of the commentors offered hate filled attacks on Republicans:
Blacks voted for Bolton because of their incredible and unjustifiable bigotry. Youths and academics voted for Obama because of entrenched public employee teacher unions and tenured radicals who have spent decades indoctrinating young people and creating socialist islands on campuses. The effect of these propagandists usually fades after people leave the cocoon and begin interacting with reality such as work and family. The other source of votes for Obama was single women who also live in an extended adolescence protected from many of the responsibilities of life. They are trapped in the consequences of an unsatisfying and ultimately degrading liberal culture.
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Irish Rose Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:47am |
Good morning, lizards.
Not a lot of time today to post, but enough time to at least say howdy.
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krycek Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:02:44am |
In Indianapolis , some Obama campaign workers are angry over unpaid wages.
The line was long and the crowd was angry at times."I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!" yelled one former campaign worker.
Can't they cut the messiah some slack? //
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kcladderman Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:02:53am |
Ok gotta cut out for my off duty job. Hope everyone has a nice day.
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doriangrey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:03:19am |
OK Lizards.... I must now report to my Re-education camp......... ;) Er that is I meant to say must head off to work now... ...lol...lol...lol.....
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:03:58am |
re: #794 doriangrey
OK Lizards.... I must now report to my Re-education camp......... ;) Er that is I meant to say must head off to work now... ...lol...lol...lol.....
Have a great day Dorian!
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lifeofthemind Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:04:56am |
re: #791 krycek
In Indianapolis , some Obama campaign workers are angry over unpaid wages.
Can't they cut the messiah some slack? //
LOL
First good news! upding
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wahabicorridor Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:14am |
re: #788 LindaMarie
Hi LindaMarie! I see another report about the evil Americans bombing another Afghan wedding again. They sure do have a lot of weddings over there 'cuz it seems they're the only thing we ever bomb................
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realwest Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:15am |
Well good morning all y'all - from a moderate (55 degrees going up to 77 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I'm sorta rushing today to get some chores done, but otherwise I'm doing ok - how are all y'all doing?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:17am |
Last update - 13:56 06/11/2008
Olmert heads to D.C. to wrangle last favors from Bush
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Lameducks of a feather flocking together?
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:27am |
re: #791 krycek
The paychecks have been redistributed to the Common Fund. Thank you for your service. You are a hero of the State and will be conferred the Frank Marshall Davis Medal upon death.
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rightside Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:12am |
re: #782 Irene NYC
Well said. I don't think anyone could have withstood that onslaught of outright lying and manipulation that the drive-by's spewed for 8 years. It also didn't help that W didn't fight back, thereby lending credence to their meme.
Question is, what to do about them? Sure, we have blogs, "the new media", etc. The MSM will not go away period. And they will not suddenly start reporting favorably on conservatives either. Conservatives can start by challenging the very questions they ask, a la Newt Gingrich on the floor of the RNC convention to that MSM reporter. Stop letting the MSM define the debate!
F*ck the MSM! What are they going to do, start reporting negatively on conservatives?
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:08:09am |
re: #797 wahabicorridor
Was it between a five-year old and a twelve-year old again?
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notutopia Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:09:19am |
re: #152 Sharmuta
Done Sharmuta. She actually deserves much more than just a letter from us.
Send a donation so she can keep her favorite items from her campaign wardrobe or better yet, to support her cause for the needs of Trig.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:14am |
Democrats scale back expectations
During their campaigns for the White House and Congress, Democrats played up their ambitious plans to cool a warming planet, revive the economy and fix a broken health care system.But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in her first news conference since the party's big election victory, warned Wednesday that Democrats might have to scale back the size of their proposals as tax revenues slow and federal budget deficits soar because of a sluggish economy.
"I think it's important for the American people to know that many of our options have been diminished because of the downturn in the economy," Pelosi said. "We have a lot less money to draw upon."
How the hell did this happen? Not even 36 hours after all the promises, NOW Pelosi & Co. tell Obummer supporters they somehow can't quite keep them?
They will pay our mortgages, gas & utilities, won't they?
/lying sacks-of-poop{no offense meant to poop}
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:20am |
Delicious irony.
While the gay community was voting for obama, the black community voted against prop. 8 in California.
HAHAHA.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:55am |
re: #802 Bumr50
Was it between a five-year old and a twelve-year old again?
Why do the Brides always have full Beards?
