I don't know if I can LAST much longer.

So, what percentage of the popular vote did Ron Paul get?

Wow... sure is quiet around here tonight.

Ahh, that fresh thread smell...

.00017% ?

Shilling for the Marx Brothers now, I see.

Marx, Charles. Marx.

Here's my post mortem on the election:

The polls were actually fairly accurate. I was surprised that Obama won Indiana and North Carolina but it looks like he had enough momentum to win very close races in those usually reliably red states.

The loss of Colorado and Nevada are more troubling, as the demographics in those states are shifting (more hispanics) which will make it harder for Republicans to win in the future.

The hopes of blue states turning red (Penn, NH and even some said Maine) were very wishful thinking.

I'll give Obama a chance and hope he does well as President, I never want to be like the moonbats and openly hate an American President, life is too short.

re: #6 Cognito

Shilling for the Marx Brothers now, I see.

Marx, Charles. Marx.

Marxism at its finest.

re: #8 scion9

Marxism at its finest.

Why aren't these shirts distibuted for free?

Oh! Now I get it, heh.

re: #8 scion9

Marxism at its finest.

"What was that word you called me?"

"Worm?"

"No, that wasn't it."

"Pipsqueak?"

"No, no, but you're getting closer."

"Ah, I remember! Upstart!"

"Upstart! That was it! Of course you know, THIS MEANS WAR!"

re: #1 lummox

I don't know if I can LAST much longer.

They can't kill you until they get to you.

There's a long list and I'm on it ahead of you. So try to relax.

FYI, Democrats are using the 700 B bailout to funnel money to MSNBC.
[Link: thecablegame.blogspot.com...]

Plenty of coverage at thecablegame.blogspot.com

re: #7 middlecon

IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.

I am completely baffled as to why two states would vote for a man who plans to kill a large portion of their jobs. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if it happens Ohio and Pennsylvania will get what is coming to them. Unfortunately we will all suffer as well. When the cost of electricity doubles I'll finally get off my duff and put up my windmill and build the battery bank. Of course then I'll be required to hook up to my neighbors house and give him half the power I generate. You know, to spread the wealth around.

re: #14 neocon hippie

IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.

Linky?

re: #14 neocon hippie

IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.

It's going to be Chicago style elections nationwide from now on.

Why did I have to log back in when I came up thread?...umm is Charles trying to tell me something...like it's almost 2 a.m. and I should go lay this head on a pillow for awhile?

Bacon beats Fries

Just a thought but, has anyone asked Obama if he would ever actually use nuclear weapons? He already said he wants to get rid of them (along with a lot of the rest of the military).

/may as well put the nuclear football in storage

Socialism Illustrated

re: #13 laxmatt1984

FYI, Democrats are using the 700 B bailout to funnel money to MSNBC.
[Link: thecablegame.blogspot.com...]

Plenty of coverage at thecablegame.blogspot.com

More and more, revelations like this will reveal to us the depth of the tribulations awaiting us!

Good stuff, laxmatt

re: #15 logboy

I am completely baffled as to why two states would vote for a man who plans to kill a large portion of their jobs. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if it happens Ohio and Pennsylvania will get what is coming to them. Unfortunately we will all suffer as well. When the cost of electricity doubles I'll finally get off my duff and put up my windmill and build the battery bank. Of course then I'll be required to hook up to my neighbors house and give him half the power I generate. You know, to spread the wealth around.

It's probably the urban populations that did it. Miners as rule tend to live in rural areas.

re: #16 lummox

I don't have any hard evidence but I'm pretty sure ACORN was active in both states.

MO is the only swing state that McCain won. Really depressing.

re: #14 neocon hippie

IN and NC may well have been tipped into Obie's column by voter fraud.

Hey no doubt about it, I'm from Indiana and Gary/Lake County is pretty much the hot bed of voter fraud in Indiana, though it never has been proven. Would be interesting I'm sure if some investigative reporters wanted to take a look at the voting rolls.

BUT also I was just reading an article today that Obama did about 10 points better in suburban Indianapolis than Kerry did, and these are NOT hotbeds of fraud, since they are run strictly by Republicans.

re: #7 middlecon

And just wait- the demonrats will attempt to pass amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens as one of their first acts in January or February, and McCain will vote with them, knowing Obama will sign the bill.

And smelly. Peeeyuuu!

Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?

Molt?

Or just shed scales?

re: #23 The Other Les

It's probably the urban populations that did it. Miners as rule tend to live in rural areas.

They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.

re: #28 lummox

Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?

/too late for drinkin'?

re: #30 lummox

Or just shed scales?

just make sure you clean up after yourself...

re: #32 Killian Bundy

/too late for drinkin'?

Try snacking on message #19
;)

Pelosi calls for lameduck session to enact stimulus

/nail your wallet to some immovable object

re: #29 lummox

Molt?

There's a low pressure cell over South Dakota that dropping rain on my location so going out for a walk is really not an option at the moment.

re: #31 logboy

They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.

The only thing I can come up with for the Obama "coal policy", is it was pretty clear that he was talking about 'new coal plants'. So I don't think a key part of his adminstration will be to bankrupt the coal industry.

I doubt if he has his way there will be any new coal plants built anywhere, or if they are they will be 'clean coal', but 'clean coal' was supported by McCain too.

re: #32 Killian Bundy

/too late for drinkin'?

In my time zone alcohol sales are over. The past two days have put a severe strain on my stockpile.

A good friend of mine believes that Americans have not actually shifted to the left, and that Obama is just a wierd exception to the centrist tendencies of the American public.
I think and hope that he is right. It would mean that if The Messiah actually does start trying to implement his wierd marxist ideas (the ideologically pure $500B internal security force, fully nationalized health care, heavy taxation with select income redistribution, closing down coal plants, etc...) he will lose support precipitously.
MSM malfeasance continues - with the stock market run today, AP says that it's just the market expressing fears of the health of the economy, DESPITE obama's election win...
They'll try to cover for the Dem heavy congressional majority and The Messiah, but if deficits pile up, inflation climbs and unemployment continues growing, they won't be able to cover for their ideological masters...
In the meantime, if the Repubs don't purge their party of pedo's and scavengers & get back to the small govt with a strong military platform, and then simply drop the social issues that are so divisive, they will not recover and they will not have my support.

Life goes on. Today is better than yesterday.

Ah hell. IronFist is always right!
Nite all.

At least the threads have slowed down to a readable pace. I am still burnt out over this whole thing. Even up here in Canada I am running across moonbat Obama worship. Two friends on facebook, posters hailing him, and even a store window painted in celebration. One of my friends acquaintances on facebook had the audacity to say that Bobby and Martin are now resting in peace. Almost threw up when I saw that. Don't know what I am going to say when he starts on it this weekend.

re: #39 StudSupreme

Absolutely no one is embracing Obama for his policies, it was just a 'perfect storm' that put Obama in the White House.

My guess is that without the Dow losing about 4000 points in a month, we're looking at incredibly closer election, if not a McCain win.

re: #31 logboy

They are all affected though, and its not just miners. There are thousands of jobs related to coal that will also be lost.

Our socialist run school system has taught their charges to not look at the big picture or see cause and effect sequences. So the disaster that is about to hit them will be a complete mystery that the Donks and their MSM drones will blame on some convenient scapegoat.

Economist Henry Hazlitt had this to say about the phenomena:

"From this aspect, therefore, the whole of economics can be reduced to a single lesson, and that lesson can be reduced to a single sentence.

The art of economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate but at the longer effects of any act or policy; it consists in tracing the consequences of that policy not merely for one group but for all groups."

This made me laugh - it's from the blog of Margot Wallstrom, Vice President of the European Commission. Her posting is so devoid of rational thought, so mind-numbingly naive that it almost comes across as retarded. The scary bit is that this is what passes for enlightened thinking amongst European politicians.

"Hurried up to watch early TV-news this morning and cheered together with my youngest son for Barack Obama’s over-whelming victory!
YES – there are huge problems ahead of him and the USA,
YES – expectations may be too high,
YES – he will probably face dangers of all kinds,
YES – he is rather inexperienced and young,
YES – he might be tempted to take protectionist measures,

BUT – he embodies CHANGE!

He has mobilized young people, poor people, the Afro-American population.
He signals a willingness to co-operate – including with the EU on climate change and HE is clearly intelligent, hard working and well organised,
He managed to get people off the couch, to donate money and to engage in the local campaign activities"
[Link: blogs.ec.europa.eu...]

Yes, really.

I going to go back to bed.

What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?

re: #37 middlecon

"New" coal plants typically also refers to rebuilt plants as well. I mean, coal mines occasionally have to migrate, and with them so too do the firing plants. Especially when renovating and attenuated shipping lines becomes more costly than rebuilding from scratch closer to the mines.

Also, the interview clearly painted a connection between coal burning, and 'ideology', that is anthropogenic global climate change as the decision making factor regarding the coal industry.

The entire Obama energy policy, not just his stance on coal is completely outrageous and self-destructive.

re: #42 middlecon

Absolutely no one is embracing Obama for his policies, it was just a 'perfect storm' that put Obama in the White House.

My guess is that without the Dow losing about 4000 points in a month, we're looking at incredibly closer election, if not a McCain win.

And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.

Nothing.

Never mind- A Felon Leads in Alaska’s Senate Race

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?

According to this Stevens leads by 3,353 votes.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Hopefully he will resign if elected.

re: #39 StudSupreme

The majority of Obama voters have no idea he is hard left. He was sold as a moderate by the MSM, and many people think he will be a post '94 Clinton style president. If he reveals his true self, he will lose support quickly.

re: #32 Killian Bundy

/too late for drinkin'?

Its 5 o'clock somewhere.

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?

US SENATOR
Total
Number of Precincts 438
Precincts Reporting 438 100.0 %
Times Counted 224057/495731 45.2 %
Total Votes 221713

Begich, Mark DEM 103337 46.61%
Bird, Bob AI 8919 4.02%
Gianoutsos, Ted NA 807 0.36%
Haase, Fredrick D. LIB 1516 0.68%
Stevens, Ted REP 106594 48.08%
Write-in Votes 540 0.24%

/still Senator pending his expulsion

re: #48 TheMatrix31

And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.

Nothing.

Oh I agree McCain played it 'nice', but I think everyone knew that coming in, it wasn't a completely lost cause, but after the credit crisis McCain had alot of catching up to do.

56+ million people voted for McCain, thats alot of votes, just not enough.

re: #48 TheMatrix31

And it's McCain's FAILURE that he didn't talk about how Obama was tied to the Democrats and groups who caused the financial crisis by denying there was any problem. He didn't talk about he sponsored a bill that called for reform back in 2005.

Nothing.

He talked about it ad naseum really. Not eloquently, and not effectively in many areas, using class warfare rhetoric about 'corporate greed', throwing out mixed messages. Talk about it he did though.

He just didn't get any press, or when he did only bad press, calling his accusations 'smears', despite their veracity.

Since he now has to go at least the next four years without getting his jollies by nightly bashing a Republican administration, will Chris Matthews rename his show "BlueBalls with Chris Matthews"? Just wonderin'...

re: #56 I need a bigger gun

It will be very interesting to see who Mathews and Olbermann go after the next 2 years at least, are they really going to pick on the minority Senate and House members? lol...I don't watch their crappy shows but I'm interested to find out.

I agree. I like Mac as a politician, but the days of old fashioned hand-shake honesty are long gone.

re: #26 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And just wait- the demonrats will attempt to pass amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens as one of their first acts in January or February, and McCain will vote with them, knowing Obama will sign the bill.

I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.

re: #56 I need a bigger gun

Since he now has to go at least the next four years without getting his jollies by nightly bashing a Republican administration, will Chris Matthews rename his show "BlueBalls with Chris Matthews"? Just wonderin'...

It's like Powell's "Pottery Barn" rule.

/you broke it, now you own it

re: #20 Killian Bundy

/may as well put the nuclear football in storage

It got punted by A Q Khan

/smoked rabbits

re: #58 logboy

I agree. I like Mac as a politician, but the days of old fashioned hand-shake honesty are long gone.

/my friends

re: #50 middlecon

According to this Stevens leads by 3,353 votes.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Hopefully he will resign if elected.

He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.

re: #59 stevieray

I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.

Complete amnesty would be one way sure way, and there are hundreds, for Dems to blow it once again, it will happen the only question is how will they accomplish it.

Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.

re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?

The scariest thought coming on the heels of this election:

The top three rungs in the political chain of command are now filled by Obama, Biden, and Pelosi. We...are...screwed...

re: #64 middlecon

Complete amnesty would be one way sure way, and there are hundreds, for Dems to blow it once again, it will happen the only question is how will they accomplish it.

Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.

Lemme find an interesting link for you. BRB

re: #59 stevieray

I used to think so, but now I am not so sure. The temptation is there to add a huge amount of solid Democrat voters, but the downside would be economically catastrophic. The states would fight it tooth and nail, the education and welfare costs would be at least half a billion dollars per year in new expenses, and the taxes paid by the low end blue-collar wages they would earn would only cover a fraction of that cost... maybe 10% or so.

Unfortunately, the states would have no choice. It's not a constitutional amendment nor issue.

re: #46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What's going on with Ted Stevens in Alaska? Anyone know?

As I understand it, Ted Stevens is expected to win. He will be resigning, and then Sarah Palin will appoint a Republican to replace Stevens.

The voters have understood since at least the Stevens corruption verdict was handed down.

Basically, Begich is losing to a Republican to be named later.

Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.

But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.

I wonder how much tension Obama will cause with his staffing choices? Not enough black cabinet members, or maybe too many, excluding politicians who expected paybacks. It's going to be a crazy disreputable bunch by any measure, I'm sure.

re: #65 middlecon

I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?

I don't know the law in Alaska. I would think it would be until the next election, in 2010. I would doubt the governor could appoint someone for the entire six year term.

I wonder if Lieberman will caucus with the republicans. He might as well- the democrats hate him after this election.

Yes Stevens seat is most likely headed for a special election:

[Link: alaskadispatch.com...]

re: #70 middlecon

Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.

But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.

This is true, but I understand that Stevens will be resigning before there's even a chance for him to be expelled. That way, it falls to the Alaskan governor to appoint his replacement.

re: #73 Sharmuta

Poor Joe, he's dead to either side at this point lol...I saw some report that his party (The Lieberman Party?) in CT was taken over too.

re: #70 middlecon

Ok researching the Stevens thing, if elected they would expel him, which would requie a special election.

But surely a conviction-free Republican would win a special election in Alaska? I'm thinking that seat is pretty safe.

Agreed. But it would not be until 2010, that would cost millions of dollars to have an election let's say next year.

re: #75 gmsc

From the link earlier:

In 2004, the Legislature passed a bill requiring a special election but left open the option for the governor to appoint a temporary replacement until an election could be held. Later in 2004, Alaskans passed a ballot measure that also said there must be a special election but stripped the governor of her authority to appoint a temporary replacement.

So the law has been changed in Alaska recently.

re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.

You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.

/we need to be the Party cutting government spending and fiscal responsibility and Stevens is the undisputed champion of elbowing others away from the earmarks trough, somehow, earmarks need to stop, period

re: #63 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's not required to. And until he is sentenced his conviction does not become official, and I believe that's in January. Screw the "doing the right thing" bullshit. The GOP has done that for years and has gotten fucked. The libturds keep "Cold Cash" Jefferson in office. Fight fire with fire. Let Stevens stay until he has to, by law resign. Then let the governor of Alaska (wink, wink) appoint a replacement until an election can be held.

I'm with you on the quit playing it nice. We like to take the high road, and be the better person. Unfortunately it rarely seems to come out in the end and the Dems spin it off as somehow being our fault. When is someone finally going to start nailing people to the wall, kicking ass and taking names?

re: #77 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Agreed. But it would not be until 2010, that would cost millions of dollars to have an election let's say next year.

PIMF- It would cost millions of dollars to have an election just to replace Ted Stevens in 2009. They'll wait until 2010, and Sarah Palin will select his replacement once he is sentenced, assuming he wins.

re: #64 middlecon

Anyway the last I heard from the MSN they said that illegal immigrants can't even make it in the USA anymore, with the bad economy.

There is some self-deportation happening, but it is not entirely a new phenomena, and there are still more coming in than leaving. So for the most part that just isn't true.

What really happened, is a lot of latinos were involved in construction, and since the subprime collapse they can't make it in those industries any more because there just aren't enough jobs. The amount of jobs in construction were abnormally high though because of the bubble. With unemployment still relatively low, there isn't a lot of room for this 'unskilled' labor to go anywhere else, like agriculture.

Those are the illegals that are self-deporting.

re: #64 middlecon

Here it is. [pdf]

California is predicted to have a drop of 11% in per capita income in the next decade because of the demographic shifts that have already occurred. The house of reps would lose half their membership in 2010 if they passed an amnesty.

Governors have a pretty good amount of sway with their reps in DC. Nobody wants to be stuck in Washington half the year while their governor is dragging their name through the mud back home.

re: #73 Sharmuta

I wonder if Lieberman will caucus with the republicans. He might as well- the democrats hate him after this election.

He should change his party to "R". Today.

The Dems are in process of stripping he committee chairmanships as we speak.

(Nothing to lose)

re: #80 logboy

I'm with you on the quit playing it nice. We like to take the high road, and be the better person. Unfortunately it rarely seems to come out in the end and the Dems spin it off as somehow being our fault. When is someone finally going to start nailing people to the wall, kicking ass and taking names?

Palin tried.

re: #79 Killian Bundy

I agree. Democrat constituencies elect William Jefferson's to office. Republican constituencies, by and large, will not tolerate it. Holding it up as a virtue, or calling it 'not playing nice', would be extremely damaging.

re: #79 Killian Bundy

You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.

/we need to be the Party cutting government spending and fiscal responsibility and Stevens is the undisputed champion of elbowing others away from the earmarks trough, somehow, earmarks need to stop, period

No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?

Lieberman is a liberal and votes liberal. What good would it do us to have another RINO?

Good afternoon folks, on a short break from class right now...

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What makes their crooks any better than ours?

Their ability to get away with it in the eyes of the msm and their constituents.

Alaska is such a deep red state, that I can't see that senate seat being in jeopardy in a special election.

re: #85 TheMatrix31

Palin tried.

Yeah, and got thrown under the bus. Wtf is wrong with those people?

In other news, I found my bumper sticker.

I re-proposed my plan to my parents regarding the move of my family to TX, or at least out of CA.

They seemed a bit more inclined and willing to listen.

I HOPE we make the CHANGE.

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

By the way:

US REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT 06 Totals Pct Graph
Independence BOB ANDERSON 40642 10.04
Republican MICHELE BACHMANN 187805 46.41
Democratic-Farmer-Labor EL TINKLENBERG 175784 43.44
Write-In WRITE-IN** 467 0.12
Write-In AUBREY IMMELMAN** 7 0.00

/she lives to make off the wall statements for another two years

Look guys, my feeling is that the election is over, the talking heads in the MSM will do post mortems to death. Today our nation and allies are imperiled, and a good and decent man, and American hero lost an election to a man who has never gone in harms way to serve our nation when it is peril.
The real victory is that we have identified a new star in the Republican party, and she have a few years to prepare her to take on the challenges that she must. If not for Gov Palin the election would have been a rout and we would possibly be facing a Democratic legislature that could cut off debate whenever they chose to. The nation will have a new President come January, and we as Americans have a responsibility to ensure that he remembers he is our servant and not the other way around.
I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on some issues, but like Ronald Reagan I believe in the principle of trusting but verifying that the trust you put in someone was not misplaced.
We have work to do, alliances to make and an opportunity to repair bridges that we neglected over the years.
Lee Atwater's big tent has been weakened, and we have to return to that idea.
The big spenders have to go, we cannot beat the Democrats by being weak imitations of them.

So let me wish President-elect Obama good fortune and congratulate him on his victory. Fellow Lizards let us stand ready to assist him by doing the hard things that must be done to strengthen our nation and preserve our freedoms if his efforts and policies are directed at making our nation better. As well, we are a part of a healthy democracy, and as such we must be a loyal opposition which also has the responsibility to vigorously resist the government if we believe its policies will weaken the nation or imperil our allies.

Keep fighting the good fight my friends, and Governor Palin, we will not forget you.

re: #94 Killian Bundy

Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?

re: #88 Rancher

Lieberman is a liberal and votes liberal. What good would it do us to have another RINO?

While I agree, at this rate any Republicans at all from the northeast are going to be few and very far between. I'm not sure if true 'red meat' conservatives can get elected in the northeast states. Its going to take some "RINOs" in the northeast to get the majorities back in the house and senate, but again Leiberman wouldn't be one of those, he's clearly TOO liberal on everything except Isreal. I also don't want to see the Lincoln Chafee's of the world, but Susan Collins and Olympia Snow types will be necessary to get the majority back.

re: #88 Rancher

Yes- with a marxist in the oval office, why would we need friends?

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?

One of the big things that prevents either party from burning the other as bad as they want to is that they are forced to play ball because they are both so stuffed full of crooks that when one of them does go down, they are probably going to drag others with them.

Why don't you think Republicans go after Cold Cash, and Pelosi for their blatantly criminal behavior, even in the media? How can they seriously point any fingers at anybody if they aren't willing to roust the rot from their own party?

Zombie should get props for this bumper sticker.

re: #96 laZardo

Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?

/not without chicanery

re: #98 Sharmuta

Yes- with a marxist in the oval office, why would we need friends?

If he isn't willing to filibuster with Republicans, or vote along party lines in committees, his party affiliation is essentially irrelevant. If he is willing to do those things, his party affiliation is essentially irrelevant, except for PR purposes.

Lieberman is too much of a national celebrity to really give any image points to Republicans though. Everyone who even follows such minutia in politics would know the PR ploy for what it was.

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Yep. He's a shoo-in.

/half

re: #90 Sharmuta

their constituents.

Why do we care? Like I said, we have always tried to play nice, reach across the aisle. When the hell have the libs EVER done that? To the libs compromise is us agreeing with them. Fuck that! I'm sick of it.
That's why we end up with John McCain and/or Bob Dole as our candidate. Both heroes, both great Americans, but both too damn willing to compromise our conservative values to "reach out" to the libs.
Fuck that! I don't want to reach out to them, I want to defeat them!

re: #96 laZardo

Speaking of which...any chance of Al Franken making the Senate?

As of 2 hours ago, it looks like a recount is in the works.

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

No, I will not call you any name. I see what you mean. He needs to go. But the "we'll play nice if you play nice" does not work with the libs. Everytime we try that, we get burned. We need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, maybe we can claim the higher ground, but if in the end we get screwed, why bother?
What makes their crooks any better than ours?

I agree. I'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around. However, in our case it seems to come around a lot more than it goes around.

re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sorry- I wouldn't elect a known crook.

re: #105 gmsc

As of 2 hours ago, it looks like a recount is in the works.

It's automatic by State law.

/but it won't work, so they're already working Plan B

Look- politics is the art of compromise. What we must do is define our line in the sand. We will compromise to this point and no further. And then we have to stand behind that line, defend that line and actually not compromise that line.

re: #28 lummox

Too early for fruitcups, too late for drinkin'. What's a lizard to do?

too late for drinknin?

says who? we don't call this the LNDT for nada...

/boat drinks all around!

re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yeah, but Ted Stevens is yet another 'reach across the aisle' kind of Republican. He was at least equally concerned with bringing home the bacon as anything that is actually relevant to his role as a US Senator. A pork barrel Republican Senator isn't demonstrably different than Barack "Spread the Wealth Around" Obama or any other redistrubitionist Democrat. While the ideology might not be identical, in practice they both come off looking like Robin Hoodism.

More importantly, as the electorate that votes for Republicans, or even just against Democrats, why the hell would we want a corrupt Republican pork barreller, when we can just vote Dem instead and get a full blown neomarxist?

At least the latter will admit that he is going to misappropriate public funds to buy votes, and as such we will never have to turn a blind eye to such behavior. If the Republican electorate alters its voting habits to accomodate such behavior why turn a blind eye when instead you can just cheer it on?

re: #99 scion9

One of the big things that prevents either party from burning the other as bad as they want to is that they are forced to play ball because they are both so stuffed full of crooks that when one of them does go down, they are probably going to drag others with them.

Why don't you think Republicans go after Cold Cash, and Pelosi for their blatantly criminal behavior, even in the media? How can they seriously point any fingers at anybody if they aren't willing to roust the rot from their own party?

If it was a fair fight, I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The media will ignore the criminal behavior from the left because they figure whatever it takes for their side to win is okay.

Question, should I buy futures in Rolaids, Tums, or Pepto Bismol?

/looks like it's going to be one of those years I guess.

re: #110 redc1c4

too late for drinknin?

says who? we don't call this the LNDT for nada...

/boat drinks all around!

Let's just drink some Kool-Aid!

YAY!

Back to class. BBL.

re: #109 Sharmuta

Look- politics is the art of compromise. What we must do is define our line in the sand. We will compromise to this point and no further. And then we have to stand behind that line, defend that line and actually not compromise that line.

And republicans that do compromise that line- boot them in the primaries or caucuses. (That means getting involved in the primary or caucus process, folks.)

re: #108 Killian Bundy

It's automatic by State law.

/but it won't work, so they're already working Plan B

I am shocked.

/Not really

hello faithful lizards from beautiful and amazing Kyoto. just spent the day in walking amazement of japan's history. there are over 17,000 shrines and temples here!

re: #104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I am willing to compromise on somethings.
I believe that two good people can come to very different conclusions even if they read the same information, because of their different perspectives.
Compromise gives us an opportunity to benefit from some of the strengths that our Democratic adversaries may have that we do not, They are not all bad, although many of them are misinformed.
But compromise means they give up a bit and we give up a bit and we meet somewhere in the middle. Compromise does not mean that we give away the farm to get an ear of corn as compensation.
I say we always listen, I say we cooperate when it benefits the nation, and I propose we stand ready to resist with every bit of our being if our liberty and values are threatened.

re: #107 Sharmuta

Sorry- I wouldn't elect a known crook.

Explain to me where I said elect a crook...

Good morning from Israel.

An Israeli who works in the store next to mine just came in to "see how I was feeling the day after". He also says he knows an American expat who knew Obama in college, and she described him as "gurnisht mit gurnisht" - a Yiddish expression which basically means "nothing from nothing."

I guess "0" (zero) really is appropriate.

re: #118 Atweber

hello faithful lizards from beautiful and amazing Kyoto. just spent the day in walking amazement of japan's history. there are over 17,000 shrines and temples here!

Ahhh . . . Kyoto! The Anagram Lover's Tokyo!

re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You were talking about why they get away with stuff and we don't. That's because our side holds people accountable for their actions. Republicans would not elect a known crook like dems do.

Here's something for all you lizards. Sharmuta, you could probably use it too. A little book called "Take Back Your Government" by Robert A. Heinlein. It's out of print now but there should be some copies around somewhere. Browse your used book stores, check your libraries. Some info maybe out of date, but not all of it.

/just doing my part. Posting in book links as well.

re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Explain to me where I said elect a crook...

Okay, you're going back to my #87.

re: #121 westbankmama

Good morning from Israel..

/come next January 20, sincerely fear for your safety, do you think Israel can stand alone against all comers?

re: #112 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

If it was a fair fight, I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The media will ignore the criminal behavior from the left because they figure whatever it takes for their side to win is okay.

That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.

They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.

The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.

re: #114 TheMatrix31

Let's just drink some Kool-Aid!

YAY!

/adds everclear to the koolade...

how's that?

re: #65 middlecon

I don't know the rules in Alaska, but wouldn't the Governor appoint someone for the whole term? Seems like an elected Senator has 6 years, whether they resign or not?

I think it may have been changed to something like "until the next regular election", after a previous governor appointed his own daughter as U.S. Senator. Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) served the remainder of that term and has since been re-elected in her own right.

However long any possible appointee is going to serve, that person will still have the huge advantage of the incumbency when he or she first faces election. Doesn't exactly break my heart that it's going to be a Republican ;-).

Aside from that, there is a question in many Alaskans' minds whether Senator Stevens got a fair trial anyway. That juror who had to be replaced because she went AWOL to see a Horse Breeders' Cup or something in California, for example, wasn't exactly awe-inspiring.

/Official results are available online, but there's a but you may want to know about-- my understanding is that Alaskan absentee ballots will not be counted until Nov. 14. AK absentee ballots are valid if mailed by the date of the election, and the Dept of Elections is apparently waiting to do all 40K-60K (different sources) of them at once.

Alaska Unofficial Results 2008

re: #124 BlueCanuck

Here's another:

Reinventing Government

Pretty dry reading, but so good I bought it twice.

re: #128 redc1c4

/adds everclear to the koolade...

how's that?

Clear things are racist.

re: #123 Sharmuta

I'm not saying elect a crook. I'm saying that Senator Stevens was already on the ballot as the sitting Senator from Alaska. Was he convicted? Yes. What does the law say? It says until he is sentenced he is free to run for re-election. So if the people of Alaska re-elect him, he can serve until he is sentenced.

re: #123 Sharmuta

You were talking about why they get away with stuff and we don't. That's because our side holds people accountable for their actions. Republicans would not elect a known crook like dems do.

Or elect one president.

re: #126 Killian Bundy

There's an election coming up in Israel, too.

Israel's Labor Party seems to be (fortunately) disintegrating, although they still say crazy things like this:

Paz-Pines's Labor colleague, Education Minister Yuli Tamir, added that "Israel and the world cannot move in different directions. The world is going social-democratic and pursuing peace, so Israel cannot choose capitalism and defensive attitudes rejecting diplomatic dialogue."

I hope the Labor Party keeps disintegrating.

Israel's best hope is the Likud Party with additional hopes that Bibi Netanyahu will do the right things this time if he makes it back into the PM chair.

I saw a clip online from Oprah's show yesterday, with her practically falling all over herself for the man she helped elect.

[Link: www.black-and-right.com...]

My wife caught a bit of the nightline report Wednesday evening and saw reports of "jubilation" in Chicago... People crying, praising the new President-Elect.

Has the term "Obamagasm" been reserved in the lexicon yet? I wouldn't be surprised if cigarette sales skyrocketed Thursday.

J

As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?

Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.

The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.

I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.

re: 126 Killian Bundy

Thanks for the concern. I think that the IDF has had emergency plans already made up. In a strange way I think it will be better for us to not be able to rely on another country to help us in our defense.

In any case, we have someone "upstairs" watching our back too!

re: #136 lummox

As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?

Obama has taken them to spread the avatar wealth among people who don't have computers.

re: #136 lummox

As slow as these threads are getting, shouldn't we be getting our avatars back soon?

The president-elect has decreed that avatars 150,000 bytes or bigger need to be redistributed to the avatar-less.

re: #127 scion9

That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.

They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.

The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.

And that is my point. We cannot expect to get fair treatment as long as the MSM is 80-90% in the tank for the libs. Of course they'll overlook Obama's radicalism and worry about Gov. Palin's firing a state trooper who used a taser on his 10 year old step-son.
So we have to forget this "let's all get along" bullshit and go for their jugular.
If McCain had been running those commercials with Obama's Rev. Wright saying "God Damn America" and "US of KKK A" commercials for the last three months, he'd be President elect.
I'm sick and tired of us having to be nice, when every time we do it we get f*cked!

re: #138 westbankmama

re: 126 Killian Bundy

Thanks for the concern. I think that the IDF has had emergency plans already made up. In a strange way I think it will be better for us to not be able to rely on another country to help us in our defense.

In any case, we have someone "upstairs" watching our back too!

Good.

/because President Obama is going to let the phone ring and ring and ring . . .

re: #137 scion9

Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.

The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.

I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.

Most congressional districts are usually either easy Democrat wins or easy Republican wins, only a handful are truly competitive every 2 years. The entrenched incumbents get the money and the name recognition of being incumbants. Its a hard thing to do to knock off incumbants. Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.

re: #140 Fenway_Nation

The president-elect has decreed that avatars 150,000 bytes or bigger need to be redistributed to the avatar-less.

Its going to be a long time until those jokes get old.

re: #79 Killian Bundy

You're probably going to call me a moron again, but politicians like Stevens are a huge part of the problem with the Republican party.

Alaska Republicans were aware that both Senator Stevens and US Representative Don Young had problems, and fielded serious challengers to both in the primary election this year. "Serious" as in the primary vote count was pretty danged close. It's that "incumbency" thing I mentioned earlier.

That's what you do if you're serious about building up a political party: Don't like the incumbent? Blow him away in the primary. If you can't do that, hold your nose and vote for him in the main election-- at least you've held his feet to the fire and he knows what will happen next time, if he doesn't get his act together. (If the other party wins, they'll hold the seat forever-- cf. Sen Patty Murray and Sen. Maria Cantvotewell, Ds-WA.)

Heh...someone's Facebook "status update" reads as follows...

"...is going to celebrate the victory of OBAMA by going with her girls to see MADONNA (for free)"

Of course...liberals love their free stuff!

re: #137 scion9

Congress has borderline single digit polling numbers. The only other democratically elected body or politician in the world with that kind of approval rating is Achmedinijad.

The big issue is right now, that if you look at state by state polling, everyone loves their own Congresspeople, and hate everyone elses. Look at Jack Effin Murtha. Look at Teddy Effin Kennedy. National laughing stocks. No risk of losing the incumbency.

I don't have a solution to that. It just seems like a very exploitable area of attack. 70% approval ratings for basically every in their state Congressman from the same sample of people that would give Congress overall 10% seems like a weakness.

The problem there is that there are 435 congressmen/women. And even if 90% of Americans think they suck, it's not their congresscritter that sucks, it's the other person's.

re: #141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I agree, but going for the jugular needs to be done by people that aren't going to put themselves in the spotlight, have 'journalists' dig through their past to find out they are thoroughly corrupt. Those attacks dogs can't stick up for their fellow corruptocrats either. We need an Eliot Ness, and more than one really.

"Troopergate" didn't stick to Palin. What did was character assassination. Not everyone is going to be as susceptible to that kind of attack as a relatively young, relatively inexperienced politically (by the standards of career politicians), woman with a midwestern accent. The media spared no effort in smearing her, but they also had an easy job of it. Like certain other politicians in recent memory, she was more mockable than some.

Most of the partisan hacks on the Right have some of the same 'problems' as Palin. They are mockable. Any right-wing hack is going to be mocked, but the efficacy of being able to do so is what matters.

It is sad that politics have devolved so much into controlling image and message to such a degree, but such it is. The GOP leadership needs to understand this.

Can someone answer this for me?

Who is the "GOP leadership"?

{LGF}

re: #143 middlecon

Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.

Damn, I forgot to check.

/did he [expletive deleted] win?

re: #150 Killian Bundy

He won in a landslide.

Thank you letters to Sarah Palin

You stay classy, koslings!

Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.

re: #143 middlecon

Most congressional districts are usually either easy Democrat wins or easy Republican wins, only a handful are truly competitive every 2 years. The entrenched incumbents get the money and the name recognition of being incumbants. Its a hard thing to do to knock off incumbants. Even to get Murtha into a competitive race is an accomplishment.

TERM LIMITS! Two terms in the House (4 years), and one in the Senate (6 years). And once you get out, you cannot be a lobbyist OR be related for 10 years.

re: #151 scion9

He won in a landslide.

I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.

/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me

Morning little blessing. Welcome to the War Room. ;)

re: #155 BlueCanuck

You're kidding?! I just left one of those.

/workplace

Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.

re: #153 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

TERM LIMITS! Two terms in the House (4 years), and one in the Senate (6 years). And once you get out, you cannot be a lobbyist OR be related for 10 years.

I'm all for term limits, the problem seems to be that too many politicians once elected 'change their mind' IE get power hungry and don't want to step down.

re: #158 middlecon

/Bloomberg

It's starting to set in.

At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.

Now though...

WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

AAARRRGGGHHH!

(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)

re: #149 little blessing

Can someone answer this for me?

Who is the "GOP leadership"?

{LGF}

(Looks around)

I think it's us.

re: #156 little blessing

Figuring out how we can do it better next time. Rule one the enemy of my enemy is their enemy no more no less.

re: #149 little blessing

Who is the "GOP leadership"?

Bush, Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Whip Roy Blunt and Deputy Whip Eric Cantor. Republican Conference chairman Adam Putnam will step down with Jeb Hensarling favored to replace him.

re: #157 Sharmuta

Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.

Hillbuzz was always a little gossipy for me, not only did the PUMAs not show up, I think they were a myth. In Indiana at least, Obama got 13% of Republicans and McCain got 11% of Democrats. A wash.

re: #157 Sharmuta

Fascinating- I left a comment at Hillbuzz this morning, and they didn't publish it. Thanks, Hillbuzz. I promote your sorry puma asses and you can't even publish my comment. Done with you.

I was reading them on election night, and suddenly the whole site went "must log in" to read.

When it went back to an open-to-all mode, a few threads and a bunch of comments were gone.

A lot of the posters over there, both Dem and Rep, seem to think the whole thing was some sort of scam or fraud. Any ideas what that is about?

re: #160 shiplord kirel

It's starting to set in.

At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.

Now though...

WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

AAARRRGGGHHH!

(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)

I had my comment deleted meltdown last night.

/it started with "at least Carter was a naval officer . . ."

A few thoughts about Bambi's religious revival service and party after his election. From PJ media. A good read.

I suppose I got caught up in the emotion of the night due almost exclusively to the genuine and copious tears of black Americans. The ones I spoke to and interviewed were nearly speechless with joy. With a start, I realized something that had escaped me all these long months of writing and thinking about this race. For many African-Americans, this election was a spiritual event

It reminded me of a black church meeting. Everyone jumping up and down and feeling the ‘Spirit’. But the good feeling ended quickly when the world markets began looking into this new presidents desires for tax and spend and American isolation on the World Trade markets and NAFTA. Also his desires to withdraw American forces from Iraq and whatever else he plans to do in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Remember: “I will do whatever it takes to get Bin Laden.” When the market dropped almost ‘500′ points I knew then that we don’t have to worry about a Democrat controlled Congress or a Black president. The world is now out of any presidents or congressional control, go ask the president that is leaving office. Going back and trying to stop NAFTA or World Trade is impossible, we no longer have a manufacturing base. We have been sold to the cheapest bidder, China, India or wherever. Hell, even China stopped making Disney toys and Barbies for Christmas. What is Mattel planning to do?
In conclusion- anything Spiritual this president tries to do or use control against the markets will die in the World Trade of cold hard facts. And those poor black people that were crying and weeping for joy will wake up to the harsh reality that Mr. Obama is no Messiah or Moses, he will not ‘fill their gas tanks and make their mortgage payments,’ because the World Trade Markets and NAFTA wont let him,
go ask Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

re: #165 stevieray

A lot of the posters over there, both Dem and Rep, seem to think the whole thing was some sort of scam or fraud. Any ideas what that is about?

Maybe it was just one or two people doing the whole thing.

re: #154 Killian Bundy

I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.

/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me

Easy, the same way he won an election. The military is just as political, only worse, because lives are directly at stake. Our CO in Iraq was a POS who tried to hang us out to dry more than once. He would fail to disseminate information, but would be first in line to tell us how bad we f-ked up when our lack of information got us in trouble. We finally learned to do our job and keep our mouths shut. As one NCO put it, "This country started going downhill the day Officers realized it's safe enough to get in a humvee and drive around."

re: #164 middlecon

PUMAs were not a myth- there is no was they could astroturf something that widespread. Dozens and dozens of blogs and posters. Big name hillary supports like Lynn Rothschild. No- pumas are real. Hopefully they'll reexamine their political thinking and stay away from the democrats.

The problem Tuesday is we did not get out our vote.

re: #160 shiplord kirel

Now you see, your problem is in your genes. Me, I inherited a wicked sense of humor, peppered with centuries of Eastern European shtetl hardships, a smattering of Talmud/Torah, and an enhanced irony meter.

While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.

A couple hours of giggling and I'm happy to report that my equalibrium has returned.

re: #160 shiplord kirel

It's starting to set in.

At first, I fell back on my training and experience, controlled my feelings, evaluated the situation rationally, formulated a plan of response, and tried to urge others to similarly maintain control, calm, and confidence in the future.

Now though...

WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK! THAT GODDAMN EMPTY SUIT LEFTIE IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

AAARRRGGGHHH!

(Excuse me while I curl up in the fetal position and whimper for a moment..)

Hey, look at the bright side, he starts getting fully classified briefings today.

/think they'll tell him about the space aliens?

re: #148 scion9

I agree, but going for the jugular needs to be done by people that aren't going to put themselves in the spotlight, have 'journalists' dig through their past to find out they are thoroughly corrupt. Those attacks dogs can't stick up for their fellow corruptocrats either. We need an Eliot Ness, and more than one really.

"Troopergate" didn't stick to Palin. What did was character assassination. Not everyone is going to be as susceptible to that kind of attack as a relatively young, relatively inexperienced politically (by the standards of career politicians), woman with a midwestern accent. The media spared no effort in smearing her, but they also had an easy job of it. Like certain other politicians in recent memory, she was more mockable than some.

Most of the partisan hacks on the Right have some of the same 'problems' as Palin. They are mockable. Any right-wing hack is going to be mocked, but the efficacy of being able to do so is what matters.

It is sad that politics have devolved so much into controlling image and message to such a degree, but such it is. The GOP leadership needs to understand this.

I'll answer you, but as soon as I'm done I'm outta here, since I'm not counting on, nor do I want Obama to pay my mortgage or for my gas.
The attacks against Sarah Palin had nothing to do with her age. John McCain got attacked because he was too old.
Palin was "Not experienced enough" to be Veep, even though she had run a state, yet Obama's qualifications were never questioned by the MSM.
Crap, I'm outta here. Hae a good night all

re: #168 Adina in Judea

Maybe it was just one or two people doing the whole thing.

I don't know. I only started checking it out a month ago... never got a chance to get a deep understanding of the place. First impressions can be misleading.

re: #170 Sharmuta

Ok, but why don't any of the exit polls show that any larger number of usual Democrats voted for McCain? There might have been many PUMAs but they didn't add up to more than the usual Democratic support for the Republican candidate than any other year.

re: #171 littleoldlady

While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.

They took it for granted and now it's going bye-bye.

A couple hours of giggling and I'm happy to report that my equalibrium has returned.

Waiting for that feeling myself!

Do you have an extra fruitcup?

You're the fruitcup provider, right?

re: #165 stevieray

I saw some of that too. They still have folks calling them a scam. My comment this morning wasn't even about that, so I don't know why they didn't publish what I wrote. They don't get it- this election didn't cure them of liberalism like it did for other pumas.

re: #175 middlecon

Maybe it was all ingrained reflex. They just voted the way they have always done? One explanation that would probably fit.

Listen folks, this election, like most I've seen in my 50 years, came down to people's perception of the economy. Unless Obama is pretty centrists in his economic policy, which means controlling Pelosi et all, we should be able to elect whomever we choose to run in 2012. Maybe even gain some seats in the midterm elections. Just try and survive till then. I'm going to go back to the prison, those jobs should be pretty safe.

re: #152 Sharmuta

I don't have it in me to wade through the Kos septic tank tonight. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of certain people insisting that I jettison most of my beliefs so that some RINOs can get elected somewhere down the line.

And frankly, the Dems starting with the president-elect on down can take their fucking faux-concilliatory bullshit and shove it. I resent them lumping me into some cluster of abstract category of boogeymen strawmen (Catholic, pro-free market, pro-2nd amendment, pro-military) that paints me as a greater existential threat to the continued well-being of the United States than the 19 hijackers who slammed fully fuelled commercial airliners into two skyscrapers and the Pentagon. Fuck them...and more to the point, fuck their little lapdogs and quislings in the MSM, blogosphere and campuses.

Once they chose to go down that road, there's no more shake-hands-and-play-nice with them afterwards.

re: #175 middlecon

lol- the pumas I read planned to lie to the exit pollers.

re: #180 Fenway_Nation

I don't have it in me to wade through the Kos septic tank tonight. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of certain people insisting that I jettison most of my beliefs so that some RINOs can get elected somewhere down the line.

What beliefs?

re: #163 Rancher

Thanks for answering. The only one I ever heard of is Bush.

re: #176 Adina in Judea

Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.

redc1c4 provides the Special Edition No Pain version.

re: #127 scion9

That is true, but polls show that 4/5ths of Americans mistrust the media. A lot of the GOP campaign angles didn't stick to Obama, but they did stick to the media. 93% of Journalist are self identified as 'liberal', and probably a higher precentage is Democrat.

They openly admit to being biased in editorials, but then say that they are professionals and keep the bias out of it. No one believes it. If the GOP wanted to, and it should, it needs to continue to push that angle and paint themselves as the recievers of undeserved floggings by the media.

The media coverage will continue to be biased. Don't doubt it. Don't let anyone else doubt it either.

I think one could expect bias in an editorial - it's the straight news that always seems to bend left that bugs the hell out of me. I've laughed out loud at the sheer audacity of many an ABC News break on the radio.

re: #179 Rancher

Unless Obama is pretty centrists in his economic policy, which means controlling Pelosi et all, we should be able to elect whomever we choose to run in 2012. Maybe even gain some seats in the midterm elections. Just try and survive till then.

Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?

It could be a long and scary four years.

re: #169 logboy

safe enough to get in a humvee and drive around."

Was it "uparmored"?

/I realize that's a very sensitive question, but does it make any difference against Iranian shaped charges?

Sharmuta,

The comment(s) I posted at Hillbuzz took several hours to appear on the site.

Is there kosher fruitcup?

re: #184 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.

redc1c4 provides the Special Edition No Pain version.

Believe me you will want the no pain version.

/after a month of this I will start policing again. we will need all our marbles in the coming times ahead.

re: #177 Sharmuta

Well, at least this election cured them of trusting the MSM. They will never go back to blindly believing what the TV tells them.

And I think most of them [the commenters] no longer see Republicans as pig-ignorant neanderthals... just as people with a different POV.

re: #189 Moe Katz

Is there kosher fruitcup?

Nu? ;-)

re: #188 littleoldlady

I commented in the morning. Not there.

re: #171 littleoldlady

"We'll vote for change! We'll change from grateful and free to enslaved and poor! We'll GET something for NOTHING! For the first time in 6,000 years of recorded history, we'll get SOMETHING for nothing more than a VOTE!

Tell us, Obama! What do we get?"

Enslavement, you fools! WE are your masters now, and only a revolution can free you! Bwahahahaha!

"Yaaay, thank you, Obama!"

re: #184 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is serves at 5 am Eastern time, Adina.

Yay - it's 4:50am right now. :)

re: #171 littleoldlady

While I admit that it took several hours to kick in yesterday, when it finally did I realized that what we saw the other day was AN ENTIRE GENERATION VOTED AWAY THE PROSPERITY AND COMFORT THAT MOM AND DAD WORKED HARD TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.

Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.

I don't know what woke me up but, I could not get back to sleep. I'm tired but, my mind is going 90 m.p.h. and it's all bad. A buncha' ignorant people elected a communist to the White House.

Fenway? What beliefs?

re: #186 Adina in Judea

Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?

It could be a long and scary four years.

Bozo hasn't even taken the reigns yet and the stock market already took a steep dive. So apparently everyone thinks we're screwed. I should have sold off when I had the chance.

re: #141 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

And that is my point. We cannot expect to get fair treatment as long as the MSM is 80-90% in the tank for the libs...
So we have to forget this "let's all get along" bullshit and go for their jugular...I'm sick and tired of us having to be nice, when every time we do it we get f*cked!

FUCKIN'-A RIGHT! Enough with our observing the Marquess of Queensbury rules while they bite our ankles and punch our kidneys! McCain took too much off the table. He should have known that the MSM were never going to expose Obamarx and his campaign should have been doing the research themselves and getting it all out there.

re: #182 Sharmuta

The whole 'Social Conservative' thing...there was that Frum article up earlier implying that's what cost McCain the election.

re: #188 littleoldlady

Sharmuta,

The comment(s) I posted at Hillbuzz took several hours to appear on the site.

That happens to me a lot.

But they always manage to get up there.

(waves a-LOW-ha's)

All I can say is...let's hope we're all wrong.

re: #196 scion9

Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.

The sad thing is you could say we all did that in the 2000 and 2004 elections :( I respect Pres. Bush but he has grown the defecit unabated. :(

re: #201 Fenway_Nation

What do you think being a conservative means?

re: #154 Killian Bundy

I guess all those racist rednecks are like Jews voting for Obama. a big mystery.

/how he ever achieved the rank of Marine Colonel is beyond me

Imho: Almost all his career was Reserve. That's great, but there's a wrinkle: After WWII a lot of veterans became Congressmen but wanted to maintain military reserve membership. Naturally the military services wanted these Congressmen on their side. Each service set up special DC-area reserve units to make this possible. Some fine people like Sen. Goldwater irr were reservists in this manner. And one not-so-fine, perhaps.

/I would bet that almost all of Col. Murtha's promotions happened with political motives in mind. Don't guess we'll ever know for sure.

re: #185 capitalist piglet

I think one could expect bias in an editorial - it's the straight news that always seems to bend left that bugs the hell out of me. I've laughed out loud at the sheer audacity of many an ABC News break on the radio.

I meant, that in editorials about broader media bias including in the news, they have admitted to being biased.

re: #196 scion9

Actually, considering how likely it is that Obama will only continue deficit spending and reduce America's ability to grow the economy, they voted away the prosperity of their own children.

Children?! These kids can't think past their next kegger.

But the upside is that for the first time in many of their young lives they are finally going to understand the definition of the word CONSEQUENCES.

Latest piece by VDH on Obama's future in office.

re: #152 Sharmuta

Thank you letters to Sarah Palin

You stay classy, koslings!

Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.

I certainly did! Thanks for providing the link. I am going to provide the yin to that yang by sending a scathing letter of condemnation to O'Reilly.

re: #197 MandyManners

I don't know what woke me up but, I could not get back to sleep. I'm tired but, my mind is going 90 m.p.h. and it's all bad. A buncha' ignorant people elected a communist to the White House.

Tuesday evening, I refused to learn the outcome of the election. I wanted one more night's sleep without knowing if the communist won.

I had the most political dreams of my life - all conservative and all good!

I don't remember them in detail, but I remember feeling very happy!

Then I woke and checked the news. I'm glad I had one last night without it.

re: #204 middlecon

The sad thing is you could say we all did that in the 2000 and 2004 elections :( I respect Pres. Bush but he has grown the defecit unabated. :(

Yes, we certainly did. Redistributing wealth from the future to the present. However, I don't think anyone could have guessed that Bush was going to do that in 2000 based on his campaign, and come 2004 the issue was the war, not the economy.

re: #207 scion9

I meant, that in editorials about broader media bias including in the news, they have admitted to being biased.

Oh, I'm sorry - I misinterpreted you.

re: #205 Sharmuta

Clinging bitterly to guns and religion? Antipathy towards people not like them?

Morning Mandy. I hope you don't have to many nights like this.

re: #213 capitalist piglet

Oh, I'm sorry - I misinterpreted you.

Yeah. Rereading what I wrote, I can understand how it could be read that way.

re: #205 Sharmuta

What do you think being a conservative means?

You eat one cookie now and save the other for later.

re: #209 Moe Katz

Thanks, Moe! Some thoughts on Obama's seizure of presidency...

re: #186 Adina in Judea

Weren't some CEOs predicting that Obambi would run the country into bankruptcy within three years?

It could be a long and scary four years.

When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.

Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.

If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.

re: #217 logboy

You eat one fruitcup and save it for later.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

re: #7 middlecon

I'll give Obama a chance and hope he does well as President, I never want to be like the moonbats and openly hate an American President, life is too short.

I hated Jimmy Carter. How in the world is that moonbattish? I love this country and he did it almost irreparable damage.

And what exactly do we mean by "give Obama a chance," anyway? It's out of our hands now. But the man has spent his entire adult life serving a left-wing agenda, and I have no confidence whatsoever he even KNOWS any other way. His brain just doesn't work any other way. If "giving him a chance" means letting him implement even .01% of his stated Leftist agenda, then I hope he is ferociously opposed from day one.

Correction: The site that demanded a log-on was Hillary Clinton Forum, not HillBuzz. Probably unimportant, but I just wanna set the record straight.

HillBuzz is the one with all of the accusations, though.

re: #221 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Maybe four yeard of Red's fruitcup and I just might make it...

re: #219 ibmkeyboard

When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.

Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.

If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.

My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.

I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.

re: #214 Fenway_Nation

Clinging bitterly to guns and religion? Antipathy towards people not like them?

Really?

To me, being a conservative means I believe in smaller government. I believe the government should be fiscally responsible and keep their nose out of my business.

You can cling to your Bible and guns all you want- the Constitution says so. But promoting a religious agenda is not what conservatism means to me and millions of other republicans.

re: #183 little blessing
LOL, and he's leaving. GOP in tatters, looks to regroup

Nearly two dozen prominent conservatives planned to meet in Virginia on Thursday to try to chart a path going forward. A fight for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee is expected; several state party chiefs are maneuvering for the top national job even though Mike Duncan is said to want to stay in the post. And plenty of prospective White House hopefuls seem to be lining up for the chance to run against President-elect Obama in 2012.

McCain running mate Sarah Palin has signaled that she will remain on the national political scene. She says: "I'm not doing this for naught." Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who lost the nomination this year, has restarted his political action committee. And, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is heading to the leadoff caucus state of Iowa on Nov. 22 to deliver the keynote address to a conservative group. Any number of other Republicans may test the waters as well.

I have been thinking about the election and I believe that America made the wrong choice.

Australia is less secure economically and militarily- What of the Australia- US FTA? What about the military alliance?

And another thing I'm depressed about is the probability of never seeing Sarah Palin again. Not happy.

re: #219 ibmkeyboard

When he goes spinning off to the left and tries to control NAFTA and World Trade,
I give the country 2 years.

Use your money, or any money you get from the govt. to buy food storage.
canned goods MREs etc. You will not be able to eat Gold, stocks and bonds.

If you don't believe me, wait until people begin starving because their local markets close because it cant make a profit or cant afford health care.
Scary shit.

I'm heading back to Israel in one more month. I think things will be ok there but I do tend to store up on non-perishable food anyway. It's my habit so that I don't end up needing to run out because the kitchen is empty.

re: #221 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

If you have any left over can I put it in a freezer bag and store it at home.

ha.

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. We can always count on you.

re: #222 Tigger2005

I'm just saying I'm not going to root for a President to fail based only on political differences. If Obama is the country's greatest President (extremely unlikely I know) I don't want to be pouting about political differences. I want to see him succeed not fail. Country first as John McCain would say.

re: #152 Sharmuta

Thank you letters to Sarah Palin

You stay classy, koslings!

Earlier I mentioned I was going to write Sarah a supportive thank you letter. I hope some of you will join me in that effort.

Oops, this isn't the link I picked up in the other thread! That one was for emailing Gov. Palin. Sorry, I won't wade through the muck at that site. I'm fresh out of tomato juice so I'll never get the skunk stench out.

re: #221 littleoldlady

Nice fruitcup!

Thanks, littleoldlady.

re: #44 xop1

This made me laugh - it's from the blog of Margot Wallstrom, Vice President of the European Commission. Her posting is so devoid of rational thought, so mind-numbingly naive that it almost comes across as retarded. The scary bit is that this is what passes for enlightened thinking amongst European politicians.

"Hurried up to watch early TV-news this morning and cheered together with my youngest son for Barack Obama’s over-whelming victory!
YES – there are huge problems ahead of him and the USA,
YES – expectations may be too high,
YES – he will probably face dangers of all kinds,
YES – he is rather inexperienced and young,
YES – he might be tempted to take protectionist measures,

BUT – he embodies CHANGE!

He has mobilized young people, poor people, the Afro-American population.
He signals a willingness to co-operate – including with the EU on climate change and HE is clearly intelligent, hard working and well organised,
He managed to get people off the couch, to donate money and to engage in the local campaign activities"
[Link: blogs.ec.europa.eu...]

Yes, really.

Saw a Dutch guy on tv today who is/was a correspondent for the Dutch media in the States for years. He enthused about Obama because his twelve year old son said: "Obama's victory brought tears to my eyes." Wow, that man inspires everybody, even my twelve year old! Good grief. The guy also thought that Obama needs to tackle the environmental problems first.

Does anybody know what they put in the water nowadays?

Alright all, I need sleep. I get to wrestle with the VA over my disability rating tomorrow (today). They gave me a temporary rating of 100% instead of a permanent rating. Apparently there is a possibility my right arm and the large portion of my left hand that were blown off might grow back. Whodathunkit?

re: #211 Adina in Judea

Tuesday evening, I refused to learn the outcome of the election. I wanted one more night's sleep without knowing if the communist won.

I had the most political dreams of my life - all conservative and all good!

I don't remember them in detail, but I remember feeling very happy!

Then I woke and checked the news. I'm glad I had one last night without it.

I wish I could've done that but The Kid had an assignment about it and we had to watch television. My dreams that night included one in which George Soros told me that he really didn't want CBBHO to win and invited me to his weekend place for some fishing as a way of apologizing.

re: #226 Sharmuta

Really?

To me, being a conservative means I believe in smaller government. I believe the government should be fiscally responsible and keep their nose out of my business.

You can cling to your Bible and guns all you want- the Constitution says so. But promoting a religious agenda is not what conservatism means to me and millions of other republicans.

So the government is gonna get smaller over the next 4 years? Interesting...

I never said promoting a religious agenda was important to me, but is it really wise for 'conservatives' to go out of their way to start looking down on religion the same manner as so many libs do?

re: #228 Crux Australis

I have been thinking about the election and I believe that America made the wrong choice.

Ya think?

re: #225 middlecon

My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.

I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.

8 years, but with a lot of republicans in the house and senate for a lot of that time period, remember?

re: #187 Killian Bundy

Was it "uparmored"?

/I realize that's a very sensitive question, but does it make any difference against Iranian shaped charges?

Okay, I'll attempt to answer my own question. I think it hardly matters.

/stop putting troops in HUMVEES in red zones

re: #236 infidel4ever

Does anybody know what they put in the water nowadays?

I'm getting a Jonestown vibe...

re: #142 Killian Bundy

Good.

/because President Obama is going to let the phone ring and ring and ring . . .

We aren't fighting a war where there's going to be any ringing phones; a nuclear ladder; any warnings.

One second a city will be there, the next it won't. Or maybe some will get news of people flopping around like fish-out-of-water will burst into the news - but we won't know why, from where or from whom.

With Obama's finger steady on the 'Dialog Button' a lot of good that's gunna do.

Rosy thoughts.

re: #240 littleoldlady

Ya think?

Read the rest of my post.

re: #225 middlecon

My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.

I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.

What if he and his comrades in Congress bankrupt and destroy coal? Pursue other disastrous policies to further their green agenda, which is just another Communist tool?

re: #225 middlecon

My whole life I have avoided doom and gloom scenarios, and while I disagree with all of Obama's policies, I don't think we are headed for complete calamity. America survived 8 years of Clinton and I'm sure we can survive 4 years of obama.

I'll go on record to forecast slow growth under Obama, basically the same that would happen if Bush had stayed. I believe in America.

I have already been told that within two years we can no longer buy food storage items from a main supplier. He will not be able to support his employees under Obamas tax and spend health care plans.
I believe in being prepared and you believe in slow growth.
Without food,
I promise you slow growth.

De rien, y'all!

Another point of irony...if Barney Frank manages to get his 25% cut in the defense budget, one can only wonder how much of that will be coming out of our European presence.

SOMEBODY'S gonna have to start paying for their own security.

Those Europeans are going to really love America then!

re: #245 Crux Australis

Read the rest of my post.

I did. Teasing you. ;-)

re: #239 Fenway_Nation

Just because I think my political party should promote a religious agenda doesn't mean I'm looking down on religion.

And no- the government is not going to get smaller in the next four years. Where did I say that? I said that's what being a conservative means to me- smaller, less intrusive government. I realize this is touchy for some people, but we have to find some consensus here. Fiscal conservatives are pissed, and we're not going to win elections with republicans spending money like democrats. That's why we've been losing.

That line in the sand I mentioned before? This is my line. Fiscal restraint. If we cross it, we stand for nothing.

Just from an emergency preparedness point of view stocking up on food and medicine is a good idea. In a high inflation environment, which is where we are going, it makes even more sense. If you buy a basket of goods with today's dollars that will be worth allot more in the future then you have in effect realized a gain on your investment, and it's tax free.

re: #238 MandyManners

My dreams that night included one in which George Soros told me that he really didn't want CBBHO to win and invited me to his weekend place for some fishing as a way of apologizing.

He should have promised to donate a billion dollars to the Repubs in 2012! :)

I'll work on having that dream.

And I sure wonder how many of the DUMBASSES who voted for Obama are having second thoughts already. I thought I might feel better today. I don't. Last night I had a painfully stiff neck, and I'm pretty sure it was psychological. I had to go to bed early. Right now I have a heavy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I can't think of a single good thing that might come out of an Obama Presidency. Not one.

I am sick of reading the people saying "No one voted for McCain/Palin, they voted against Obama." I damn well DID vote FOR McCain/Palin, and I'm proud of it. I had confidence in McCain to do the right thing on national security matters. I have not an ounce of confidence in Obama to do a single right thing on that issue. He simply won't. He's incapable of it. Let's face it, people. There's no hope of such a thing happening. This isn't even a Chamberlain we've got here ... even Chamberlain grew a spine at the last minute. This is a Carter at an even more critical and dangerous point in history.

We are facing a very scary four years, if we make it that far.

Sorry I can't find any silver lining in any of this.

re: 154 Killian, the Jews who voted for Obama are more left-wing than Jewish. The Orthodox Jews are right wing and almost always vote Republican.

re: 160 Shiplord - In Israel we say "ani mishtatef im tza'archa" to someone who has lost a loved one. It means "I participate in your pain" or in plainer English I sympathize.

re: #250 Sharmuta

Then we're in agreement.

re: #251 Rancher

And people laughed at the dozens and dozens of cans of Campbell's soup I have stacked up in the pantry!

re: #247 ibmkeyboard

Without food,
I promise you slow growth.

This is the part where Obambi will make everyone skinny.

Those of us who are already skinny will really need to hoard food!

re: #241 logboy