We cannot allow ourselves to become raving loonies.

begala makes me puke

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones

Let's see how long it takes for the dems to get sick of hearing "I AM pro-American I just don't agree with anything the president does, says, or thinks." or "We'd be unified it you weren't such a jackass and didn't elect a bonehead president".

re: #2 Ringo the Gringo

No we cannot & we won't, we are better than that.

I say we rip the shit out of nobama every chance we get

re: #4 bosforus

Let's see how long it takes for the dems to get sick of hearing "I AM pro-American I just don't agree with anything the president does, says, or thinks." or "We'd be unified it if you weren't such a jackass, didn't elect a bonehead president and did everything we want you to.".

Maybe it's time for a black news anchor.

Maybe on MSNBC. :)

Obama should find a cabinet post for Victor Hansen, IMHO.

ya see that abc black guy crying when he was filming re: #8 faraway

Republicans have a lot of party rebuilding to do after 8 years of Bush and 6 years of its own Congress. No time for petty sniping.

re: #6 apachegunner

IMHO that would not be good.

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones, rather than anti-Obama screeds. When disagreements arise, they should be couched in a sense of regret rather than ebullition. There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

It doesn't work that way in a free society.

I like VDH but already I'm sick of hearing what a great campaign Barry ran.
Yeah. George Sorrows gave him $88,000,000. I'm sure that was a small help.

re: #11 SFGoth
awww quit making so much sense here huh :>)

offtopic
guys you must listen Rush's show right now.

The Left has woefully underestimated the degree to which they have offended many of us.

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones, rather than anti-Obama screeds. When disagreements arise, they should be couched in a sense of regret rather than ebullition. There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

Really? We should offer good friendly advise? We should reach across the aisle and shake hands with the "honorable opposition". We shouldn't act like the Democrats? Well, let me check, yeah. Who is President elect? And who controls both houses?

/screw that

Senator Franken?

/barf

re: #12 Ojoe
I know but it'd feel good anyway

re: #20 apachegunner

Yes.

re: #16 Pete-billy
aren't we all?

re: #6 apachegunner

I say we rip the shit out of nobama every chance we get

Maybe we should hold our fire for the really big stuff, such as shutting down coal.

This is the only way to offer criticism, in a constructive tone. Right now is the time to start building a coalition for 2010 and identifying how we can do better.

Do not mock, offer better ideas instead.

re: #2 Ringo the Gringo

We cannot allow ourselves to become raving loonies.

We must be the voice of reason.

re: #10 apachegunner

ya see that abc black guy crying when he was filming

Actually, I don't really have a problem with that. Even if you disagree with his policies, you would have to be overcome with emotion that a man of your race was now President.

Dennis Miller is no Mikey Moore.

yes, and that will come sooner than later I'm betting re: #23 MandyManners

Once again, Hanson rocks. I'm proud to share an academic specialty with him.

PS: Charles, I was too late for the Kindle thread, but yes, it's an awesome device - got mine last June for a prolonged trip through Europe.

re: #23 MandyManners

BHO won't be able to do all the crazy things he said in the campaign, it is always like that.

BBL

re: #5 Ojoe

No we cannot & we won't, we are better than that.

Excuse me, but it just doesn't make sense to me to bring a noodle to a gun fight.

OT -

I know this might sound lame, but has anyone heard anything about the government being able to take your 401k?

When Obama's America is an utter failure (which is a definite when, not if), I'm sorry, but part of me will rejoice.

re: #26 faraway
I was simply commenting on getting a black anchor is all. I am pretty far from racist.

I detect a sense of apprehension that no Democrats would wish conservatives to treat Obama as they did Bush for eight years.

Okay ... BUT ... can we still call Michelle a B _ _ _ H ?

Please

re: #6 apachegunner

I say we rip the shit out of nobama every chance we get

Offer an alternative course of action and explain in detail why it will work.

That won't listen of course but the folks with "buyer's remorse" will.

re: #32 bellamags

OT -

I know this might sound lame, but has anyone heard anything about the government being able to take your 401k?

There was some talk about taxing it in new ways?

Our attacks of CBBHO need not be as unhinged as those from Moore, Franken and Maher but, attacks we must make. Also, what's wrong with using humor to snipe? Scorn is a good tool.

re: #32 bellamags
it's in the works. don't worry they will promise 3% a year plus a $600 check.

re: #32 bellamags

I think the proposal is still on the table but it's just talk at this point. I think it's pretty unlikely. Public outcry would be deafening. It's spooky enough they're even considering it.

re: #17 SummerSong

The Left has woefully underestimated the degree to which they have offended many of us.

The left simply isn't paying attention. Know it alls are funny that way.

VDH!

There are rumors that Obama may include some ostensible Republicans on his staff (one I do like is Bob Gates). Who knows - maybe he won't have a moonbat-driven witch hunt after all. I'll get right back to holding my breath.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #26 faraway

Even if you disagree with his policies, you would have to be overcome with emotion that a man of your race was now President.

Bullshit. A man with my race has never been president. When it happens, I shall not be reduced to tears. And if the man in question is a despicable racist who has spent his life defending and consorting with terrorists who murder innocent Americans, then I shall be ashamed, not enraptured.

re: #28 apachegunner

yes, and that will come sooner than later I'm betting

Gotta' do it soon to meet his Ten-Year Plan.

(Shades of USSR?)

re: #17 SummerSong

The Left has woefully underestimated the degree to which they have offended many of us.

Agreed, but I think we should be critical without being mocking or mean spirited. Humor is a great weapon, but it must be used graciously. Ronald Reagan was great at that.

re: #38 MandyManners
yes, I like the humor angle

re: #30 Ojoe

BHO won't be able to do all the crazy things he said in the campaign, it is always like that.

BBL

Both he and Biden went after coal.

I think there is room for a multi-faceted attack on the Left.

That includes sites and folks dedicated to slamming him in every way possible. (Similar to Kos and the media)

Then other sites and folks taking the high ground. (No similarities for the Left)

re: #19 Max Darkside

Senator Franken?

/barf

Stuart Smalley's Daily Affirmations for the Inner Communist

Thursday:

"I will express my feelings today. I will not hide them behind my mustache. My mustache is not a mask for my feelings, but rather a small patch of facial hair that covers my inadequacies."

There is no honor at all in sending a goon squad to dig up dirt on a private citizen who simply had the temerity to ask a pertinent question of a candidate within range of the cameras. That’s thuggery, no more and no less. Ask Joe Wurtzelbacher about it sometime.

There is no honor at all in questioning the paternity of a babe in arms — particularly one that may never understand the implications of what was said about him at such a tender age. Not only that, Trig Palin didn’t choose his parents.

There no no honor at all in questioning the morals of or choices made by a pregnant teenager, her baby’s father, and/or their parents. Bristol Palin remains a private citizen, and is due all the respect that status should entail — particularly from a presidential campaign. Oh, and she remains a minor for now, so wasn’t even able to fight back with the franchise.

All of these things were done with the full knowledge of Obama’s campaign. Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden let the press and leftard-blogger gang-bang of the Palin kids go on for three days before praising it with faint condemnation.

If they can do these things to private citizens Joe, Trig and Bristol during a campaign, just imagine what they’ll be capable of doing when they are the custodians of actual power.

Congratulations, assholes: You’ve sunk to lows that not even Richard Nixon could have imagined in that twisted mind of his. I hope you feel real good about your “victory.” You sure earned it.

re: #44 Last Mohican
ride on, ride on

re: #32 bellamags

OT -

I know this might sound lame, but has anyone heard anything about the government being able to take your 401k?

The story's gaining traction, it seems, but it apparently broke about two weeks ago.
[Link: www.dakotavoice.com...]

re: #32 bellamags

OT -

I know this might sound lame, but has anyone heard anything about the government being able to take your 401k?

I heard about the government taking it over and giving three per cent interest.

The questions I want to know are:

Can we now say, dissent is patriotic?

Will the dems reach across the aisle?

These are all we've heard from them, but now that they're in power will they reciprocate?

Can I please be allowed to have the occasional Anti-Obama Screed?

My dinner date last night -- she cooked ghoulash and dumplings -- won't start a small business b/c she'll get screwed by O so there's 3-10 jobs lost. Her roommate complained about not being able to get jobs in project management because venture capital has dried up, but she voted for O. Where do these people think venture capital comes from? Oh right, it grows on trees.

re: #34 apachegunner

I was simply commenting on getting a black anchor is all. I am pretty far from racist.

Oh, sorry. I don't call people racists. I didn't mean to do that here either.

re: #27 MandyManners

Dennis Miller is no Mikey Moore.

Precisely: Miller has class (which we need) Moore is crass (which we don't need).

It sounds noble enough but I think it assumes the left has got what it wants and will let up on attacking Republicans.

re: #43 Diamond Bullet

There are rumors that Obama may include some ostensible Republicans on his staff (one I do like is Bob Gates). Who knows - maybe he won't have a moonbat-driven witch hunt after all. I'll get right back to holding my breath.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I never liked Gates and still don't. He is a protegee of Former Sec. of State Baker. I doubt it would be offered to him anyway.

re: #43 Diamond Bullet

The names I heard were Gates continuing as Sec. of Def. (which is fine), Powell at Education (?), but ex-Republican Lincoln Chafee does not strike me as a good idea.

re: #47 apachegunner

yes, I like the humor angle

It's always been a valuable tool in political discourse.

Of course, the Conservatives will always put country first and conduct themselves with class, and of course, this won't do us a darn bit of good as the donks will continue to be as classless as ever. Maybe as they say it's better to be pissed off than pissed on.

#40

Public outcry would be deafening

I don't think you understand the new path for America. Whether we're crying or not, it's for our own good because we're too bloody stupid to lead our own lives without government telling us how. Can't eat all we want, can't have the heat at 72...you think he was kidding?

re: #58 faraway
s'ok, I might have spoken to fast there far

IMHO Obama will get a serious reality check between now and January 20th with his transition team. His promises on troop withdrawal, taxing coal out of existence and wild social programs will find there way into one of algore's lost lock boxes thus really pissing off the left. Remember he's thinking about his second term already.

The majority of people who opposed Obama don't have to be told to behave.

Moderator , please remove my "colorful invective" in post 51. it slipped out. i should have said buttheads

re: #49 faraway

I think there is room for a multi-faceted attack on the Left.

That includes sites and folks dedicated to slamming him in every way possible. (Similar to Kos and the media)

Then other sites and folks taking the high ground. (No similarities for the Left)

Political MIRV's.

Conservatives and moderates need to look at Obama's campaign and learn from it.

We need to read Alinsky and adopt some (not all) of the Left's tactics to use against them in the future.

And most of all we need to prevent our schools from becoming Obama indoctrination centers, and if need be, remove our kids from public schools altogether.

Let us not become raving wingnuts.

And let us not be afraid to diassociate ourselves from the crazy fringe of the kooky far-Right. They only help to discredit the authentic American conservate values of liberty, self-reliance, charity, patriotism and individualism.

The Palin controversy is the crack in the party.

re: #61 Nevergiveup

I never liked Gates and still don't. He is a protegee of Former Sec. of State Baker. I doubt it would be offered to him anyway.

Also, if he names Hagel and Lugar to anything, their governors appoint replacements. Both governors are Republican, and might appoint Republicans far less amenable than Hagel and Lugar to the Senate.

Victor Davis Hanson is being way too measured. How do you construct criticism of Comrade President Obama in "unified pro-American" tones when Obama is against almost every major thing that makes America great and unique? He wants to tax and penalize the most productive members of this republic, and redistribute the weath. He wants to go from capitalism to socialism. He wants to bankrupt the coal industry which will send the economy into a tailspin. He doesn't care that the stock market is down. He and his leftist cronies are happy that the rich are finally getting their comeuppance, and that America is "changing."

I have a Ph.D. in argument and persuasion. I cannot figure out what the hell Victor Davis Hanson would have us do to get our point across. The dems are scared that we'll savage Obama like they savaged Bush. So long as we're not constructing untruthful arguments, who gives a crap if we come across as harsh? All their bullshit worked. It got Obama elected.

So, tell me this, Victor Davis Hanson. What bumper stickers should I be putting on my car right now to voice my disapproval? How about: "I'm against the man, not the presidency." Or should I wait until The Anointed Hussein is in the oval office before I put on those bumper stickers? Give me some slogans. This world is a sound-byte world. Nobody is going to give us the time for well-thought out, attenuated arguments. You, VDH, have a column. You will be preaching to the choir. I will be living in the real world, surrounded by neighbors and friends who voted for this Marxist. What should I say to them? Or should I let the coming economic depression speak for itself?

re: #59 CIA Reject

Precisely: Miller has class (which we need) Moore is crass (which we don't need).

And, he has great timing, has a sexy voice and is easy on the eyes!

A lot of people for started identifying themselves as conservatives because of the insanity that is associated with modern liberalism. We can't afford to drive them away. Let their [modern liberals] incompetence shine, don't block the light with temper tantrums...

re: #38 MandyManners

Already on that!
When people ask who you voted for:
"McKinney. My politics don't go far enough left to have voted for Obama."

Amirite? No? Ok, tough crowd!

Liberals are always allowed to act like children. It's a mixture of moral superiority, self-righteous indignation, and hip rebelliousness. I wonder how remorseful they would be if we returned the favor during the next eight years by trashing their candidates as being inhuman, or heckling their public assemblies. I'm resigned to not do it, since I'm civil, but I do intend to constantly remind them of this. I think that will be part of a growing trend, too.

re: #69 LC HOGHEAD

Moderator , please remove my "colorful invective" in post 51. it slipped out. i should have said buttheads

Nah. Far worse has been said here than "assholes". Ask Mandy, she'll tell you. ;-)

re: #71 Ringo the Gringo
pardon, our schools have been controlled by socialist leftists for tens of years

Oh yeah. I recall the many times I've wept tears of joy every time a white guy has been elected President. I'd cry with happiness even if it was Tony Soprano.

/sarc, of course.

re: #26 faraway

Actually, I don't really have a problem with that. Even if you disagree with his policies, you would have to be overcome with emotion that a man of your race was now President.

re: #64 azul93gt

That's because we love our country, what it stands for, what it was founded on, and what it means to the freedom of the whole world. The left hates the country for the same exact reasons that we love it.

As soon as they enact their socialist/communist policies and destroy everything the founders died for, WE will be the traitors. And no, there won't be any "dissent is patriotic" nonsense coming from the left when they take our guns and put us in re-education camps.

re: #6 apachegunner

I say we rip the shit out of nobama every chance we get

As we've done with Bush and other republicans--when they legitimately deserved it. Bashing for the sake of bashing lowers you to the moonbat level. I have my principles and being intellectually honest is one of those principles I will not abandoned because someone I dislike was elected. And don't worry, the dems will create many opportunities to legitimately attack them.

re: #56 fish

Can I please be allowed to have the occasional Anti-Obama Screed?

Soon you will need to fill out form PS-342-C. Permission for Political Speech so it can be reviewed by the Fairness Committee to assure equal time is properly allocated by the channel you are using.

Please take a number and get to the end of the line.

NEXT! Number 666 Please!

Man-o-man. Mccains people are trashing Shara to the max.

McCain, see what happens when you hang with the libs. I guess you must of hired some too.

This is NOT good for our party.

re: #74 Irenike
and lets not forget his dislike of our constitution also

re: #65 jemima

#40

I don't think you understand the new path for America. Whether we're crying or not, it's for our own good because we're too bloody stupid to lead our own lives without government telling us how. Can't eat all we want, can't have the heat at 72...you think he was kidding?

When I worked for the Feds in the 70s, we used to go to the bathroom every hour during winter to run our hands under hot water and thaw them out. Did I mention Carter was Pres then? Freezing us was part of his grand scheme.

re: #77 SWPaul

Already on that!
When people ask who you voted for:
"McKinney. My politics don't go far enough left to have voted for Obama."

Amirite? No? Ok, tough crowd!

LOL! It'll work only if you have that same crazed look in your eyes.

Obama's a figurehead since we all know that Jews control the world. Mwahahahahaahahhaha

re: #70 MandyManners

Political MIRV's.

One of my favorite books, Built to Last, with advice on "the power of and" - It's never a choice of either/or. It's usually "both".

Rush is taking Palin's side.

NO, republicans won't attack Obama, they will just rip up on Sarah Palin as we are already seeing. It's disgusting!

re: #76 Basho

I agree, give them enough rope and they will hang themselves. It is inevitable that they screw everything up, we all know their policies will be disastrous.

#57 SFGoth 11/06/08 9:34:43 am reply quote

Your anecdote reminds me of two co-worker I had, who were libz and Bush bashers. One year we managed to eek out a bonus and they immediate upon looking at their pay stubs start complaining about the amount of taxes, which were with-held... unbelievable.

re: #24 CIA Reject

This is the only way to offer criticism, in a constructive tone. Right now is the time to start building a coalition for 2010 and identifying how we can do better.

Do not mock, offer better ideas instead.

...and make sure you have a clean record so the subsequent investigation turns up nothing.

re: #93 MrSnuggles

I agree, give them enough rope and they will hang themselves. It is inevitable that they screw everything up, we all know their policies will be disastrous.

But will they hang us all in the process?

re: #92 IgofAntioch

NO, republicans won't attack Obama, they will just rip up on Sarah Palin as we are already seeing. It's disgusting!

May I suggest that we start a replacement for the GOP?

Call it the Renaissance Party.

re: #90 faraway

One of my favorite books, Built to Last, with advice on "the power of and" - It's never a choice of either/or. It's usually "both".

Scatter-shot need not be ineffective.

A problem I see is this -- any, that's any, legitimate, well-reasoned, thoughtful critique of Obama's policies (once Obama assumes office, and Obama enacts/proposes something which may be less than "perfect") will (i fear) be immediately categorized by the Feverish, Undisciplined, Hysterical, Ranting press as an "utter outrage", "racist," and/or "beneath contempt!" It'll be the "expected" Paul Begala "response" -- shrill, screaming and unhinged. And I also have serious doubts about newspapers and television "news" programs who've endorsed Obama -- what can we honestly expect from them? I expect them to become nothing more than the extended State Organs of the Official Mouthpieces of the Anointed One...The Pravda's (I really, really, hope that I'm proven wrong -- but I'm not holding my breath.)

so'k Jinx, I'll do it for ya, happy to re: #83 Jinx

re: #97 The Other Les

Naaa.. Let's just replace the top dogs who brought us this mess

re: #84 Max Darkside

I would be LoL except that this very well could be what is in store for us.

Obama: Worst. President. Ever.

"There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken."

I kind of disagree on this point, but hear me out first. I Agree that we do not need those kind of Anti-American scum..but what we do need is to use their tactics, their film making, their "talk shows", and their comedy against the left.

This election showed that the demographics are changing ( especially the young voters..which I belong to...sigh..).

Think of all the morons that were brainwashed by Moore's crap or influenced by Maher.

Besides getting back to true conservatism in the GOP ( smaller government = less taxes = more $ for you and me + individual rights )

We need to become more...looking for a better term...young & revolutionary. Instead of Che ( murdering, communist scum& the hall mark of the left) We need Regan shirts ( which I have and are out there ).

We need to fight fire w/fire because the left will not ever play "fair" anymore. Look at the pictures Zombie and Ringo put up. Look at the BDS.

This will be hard as unlike some of the left, we have morals & scruples. We value honor, duty and sacrifice.

We need to hit the liberal media and academia. We need to offer an alternative (With the media we are putting up a good fight already, but its not enough)

We can and must prevail. We need to secure the future generation and not let our voices be silenced by big goverment.

Well pardon me, Jew haters do not get my respect.

I am already hearing it at work, the same people that were calling President Bush any name that popped into their peabrains don't want to hear any trash talking about P.E. Obama. Shows how the shoe doesn't fit on the other foot. Best I heard was "it's what America is all about, those who make money should pay even more taxes". mpw280

re: #97 The Other Les

The problem isn't the party, it's some of the people in it. Hiving off to start a new party only avoids dealing with the real problem.

Any opposition to Obama's policies by Republicans will be met with accusations of the GOP being racist whitey's party,I think you can only take civility so far.

I am writing a snail mail note of thanks to Sarah Palin today to thank her for being the only candidate to say what had to be said and truly being the most honest of the candidates.

re: #101 Dustoff-507

Naaa.. Let's just replace the top dogs who brought us this mess

Okay.

#87

When I worked for the Feds in the 70s, we used to go to the bathroom every hour during winter to run our hands under hot water and thaw them out. Did I mention Carter was Pres then? Freezing us was part of his grand scheme.

You had something against wearing sweaters and gloves inside? You know there are freezing people in Sub-Saharan Africa who would love to wear glo...
um, there are freezing people in Iceland who would appreciate the spreading of gloves. You will report to the post office immediately with all your winter clothing for the USSA clothes drive for impoverished Scandinavians.

re: #105 vagabond trader

No haters in our group?

re: #99 J.S.

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones, rather than anti-Obama screeds. When disagreements arise, they should be couched in a sense of regret rather than ebullition. There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

So? May as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.

re: #110 The Other Les

Maybe Newt?

re: #112 Dustoff-507

Elaborate please.

re: #85 Dustoff-507

re: #85 Dustoff-507

Man-o-man. Mccains people are trashing Shara to the max.

McCain, see what happens when you hang with the libs. I guess you must of hired some too.

This is NOT good for our party.

im upset for the same reason. The election is over but the MSM and now some McCain 's guys attacking Sarah even right now. You can agree or not with Sarah but she has been so massive attacked and the attacks keep going an.
They want destroy her !

A problem I see is this -- any, that's any, legitimate, well-reasoned, thoughtful critique of Obama's policies (once Obama assumes office, and Obama enacts/proposes something which may be less than "perfect") will (i fear) be immediately categorized by the Feverish, Undisciplined, Hysterical, Ranting press as an "utter outrage", "racist," and/or "beneath contempt!" It'll be the "expected" Paul Begala "response"

Yep. Think about all of those hate-filled protesters that show up anytime/anywhere Bush made an appearance. The nasty signs, nasty drawings of him. Imagine the outcry when people show up to protest Obama. Suddenly descent isn't patriotic.

re: #112 Dustoff-507

No haters in our group?

So I take it heads on pikes are out for now?

re: #17 SummerSong

The Left has woefully underestimated the degree to which they have offended many of us.

Democrats have never offended anyone in their lives. They understand everyone and they take care of everyone.
/

re: #105 vagabond trader

Well pardon me, Jew haters do not get my respect.

Who?

Just think when someone mentions Israel by him.
"President Obama, what about Israel?"
"Bless you! What about what?"

FUCK ZERO. THE 2 YEAR HONEYMOON IS FUCKING OVER.

re: #115 vagabond trader

you brought up Jew haters.

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL, say what!

re: #120 MandyManners

People who attended or attend a bigoted, Jew hating church for 20 years.

Welcome to reality Mr. President elect...Dow down 372.

obama should get the same respect that palousi, reed, and others, showed President Bush. Does this make me small and petty? I don't care. The left opened the door, I'm just goin through.

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones, rather than anti-Obama screeds. When disagreements arise, they should be couched in a sense of regret rather than ebullition. There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

Bull.

I have been listening to arrogant, sanctimonious, vitriolic anti-Bush/Repbulican hatred from far and near for 8 years.

I intend to rub the leftwingss nose in the carpet every time Barak screws-up or fails to live up to expectations.

No mercy. I have had it. I have seen a profound lack of magnanimity in victory and see no reason to take the high road.

None.

I personally don't think there will be any republican equivalents to Michael Moore and his ilk. To be like them requires a certain amount of stupidity. Not likely on our side.

re: #95 littleoldlady

...and make sure you have a clean record so the subsequent investigation turns up nothing.

That is a very good point- and one that will get me off on an "anti-BO screed" of my own regarding the risks and sacrifices that will be made by men and women who hold security clearances in order to obtain, safeguard, and transport information to the desk of a man who could not possibly qualify for those same clearances.

But I digress...

re: #32 bellamags

OT -

I know this might sound lame, but has anyone heard anything about the government being able to take your 401k?

Yes, there is some thought by the Dem's of back valuing your 401K to the August 1st value, then confiscating it all, and crediting you 3% interest a year after that.

What was yours would then be theirs.

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So I take it heads on pikes are out for now?

Well, that's no fun.

I kind of disagree on this point, but hear me out first. I Agree that we do not need those kind of Anti-American scum..but what we do need is to use their tactics, their film making, their "talk shows", and their comedy against the left.

This election showed that the demographics are changing ( especially the young voters..which I belong to...sigh..).

Think of all the morons that were brainwashed by Moore's crap or influenced by Maher.

Unfortunately, you do need to be aggressive. It's sad, but many youngster get 100% of their news from the Daily Show. Actually I work with people in their late 20's and early 30's that do also. They think this is real news and everything done on there is accurate. Conservatives aren't going to win by holding town hall meetings and nothing else.

Boy, is this ripe. The Alinsky-style polarization, the political poison, injected into the political system by Hillary Clinton in 1994, that has totally possessed the likes of Pelosi and Reid, is now supposed to vanish, right? Does anyone believe that Pelosi or Reid is about to recover and act like cooperative human beings?

I'd say the Republicans might be able to swallow hard and do their part, but I have no faith at all that the Democrats are ready, willing, or able. They will sabotage any efforts at bipartisanship, even while they are in power. It will take a greater crisis than any now going, before real recovery is likely.

/gloom

re: #78 Brisco County

Liberals are always allowed to act like children. It's a mixture of moral superiority, self-righteous indignation, and hip rebelliousness. I wonder how remorseful they would be if we returned the favor during the next eight years by trashing their candidates as being inhuman, or heckling their public assemblies. I'm resigned to not do it, since I'm civil, but I do intend to constantly remind them of this. I think that will be part of a growing trend, too.

And here is the problem. We are allowing ourselves to fall to dishonest axioms. "Liberals are always allowed to act like children." I'm not buying into these inane so-called axioms. Time to hold their feet to the fire, make them accountable. They are now in power regardless of whether we approve of it--they CANNOT act like children. We DID NOT elect people so they could act as CHILDREN. This is regardless of party. That's why republicans lost seats, they began behaving like children who just found mom's hidden rainy day fund in the sugar bowl and went out and blew it. We CANNOT allow ourselves to accept dishonest axioms as truth. CHALLENGE these, make them prove it.

re: #117 Dave the...

Yep. Think about all of those hate-filled protesters that show up anytime/anywhere Bush made an appearance. The nasty signs, nasty drawings of him. Imagine the outcry when people show up to protest Obama. Suddenly descent isn't patriotic.

That's why I don't think it would hurt to "be just like the democrats" while their behavior is still fresh in their minds and undeniable and their arguments are still a part of the political dialogue.

People, I need to feel some hope. Even with LGF and knowing that millions of Americans did vote rationally, I'm feeling utterly abandoned and alone and without a country. And it sometimes feels so HOPELESS that we can reverse this tide. One of the first steps needed to be halting illegal immigration, ASAP. Now that will never happen. The demographic of this country is going to change faster than ever. Can we possibly do enough to fix the educational system and get new immigrants to adopt "classical" (imagine, we now have to call them "classical" or something like that) American values, before we're completely overwhelmed? We can't even say we want them to "assimilate" anymore, really, because do we really want them to assimilate into a country where 52% of the people voted for a race-baiting associate of America-hating radicals?

The clearest thing is, we can't just be thinking about Obama's administration failing and maybe getting a Republican back in the White House in four years. We are no longer dealing with a loyal opposition, we are dealing with an enemy, and we must think long term struggle, a winning of hearts and minds back to America's founding principles, especially among the young. The Democrats have to be removed completely from power and another political party take their place.

re: #80 apachegunner

pardon, our schools have been controlled by socialist leftists for tens of years

I know that, but now that there is a Leftist in the White House it is only going to become worse and more blantant.

Hey, everyone has their right to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it might be.

BTW, anyone know where I can buy a Don't Blame Me I Didn't Vote For Him bumpersticker?

Obama is perfectly capable of self-destructing without help from us, and will do so.

re: #122 Ezekiel2517

FUCK ZERO. THE 2 YEAR HONEYMOON IS FUCKING OVER.

Holding it in is said to be bad for your blood pressure.

re: #125 vagabond trader

People who attended or attend a bigoted, Jew hating church for 20 years.

Ummm...who could that possibly be? Got a first initial?

re: #116 Pete-billy

They sure do. I said from day one that McCain as much as I respect him. Played to lose with the dem's and I'll bet he hired a few.
McCain lost NOT becuse of Shara.. He & his people ran a bad campain!

re: #111 jemima

Don't laugh. The coldest I've ever been was in Johannesburg and at the Equator, on Mount Kenya. The cold in Johannesburg was pervasive and I could never seem to get warm in the cold dark month of August.

A good start- My worthless congressman Roy Blunt stepped down as minority whip opening the door for a real conservative, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, although I'd prefer him as minority leader replacing another worthless republican , John Boehner.

Hope for the best; expect the worst.

re: #45 MandyManners

Gotta' do it soon to meet his Ten-Year Plan.

(Shades of USSR?)

Absolutely!
Now why is that, I wonder ...

I part ways with VDH on this. Payback's coming.

What can we do to shut these people up? They need to have their mouths shut now.

re: #116 Pete-billy

re: #85 Dustoff-507

im upset for the same reason. The election is over but the MSM and now some McCain 's guys attacking Sarah even right now. You can agree or not with Sarah but she has been so massive attacked and the attacks keep going an.
They want destroy her !

re: #51 LC HOGHEAD

There is no honor at all in sending a goon squad to dig up dirt on a private citizen who simply had the temerity to ask a pertinent question of a candidate within range of the cameras. That’s thuggery, no more and no less. Ask Joe Wurtzelbacher about it sometime.

There is no honor at all in questioning the paternity of a babe in arms — particularly one that may never understand the implications of what was said about him at such a tender age. Not only that, Trig Palin didn’t choose his parents.

There no no honor at all in questioning the morals of or choices made by a pregnant teenager, her baby’s father, and/or their parents. Bristol Palin remains a private citizen, and is due all the respect that status should entail — particularly from a presidential campaign. Oh, and she remains a minor for now, so wasn’t even able to fight back with the franchise.

All of these things were done with the full knowledge of Obama’s campaign. Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden let the press and leftard-blogger gang-bang of the Palin kids go on for three days before praising it with faint condemnation.

If they can do these things to private citizens Joe, Trig and Bristol during a campaign, just imagine what they’ll be capable of doing when they are the custodians of actual power.

Congratulations, assholes: You’ve sunk to lows that not even Richard Nixon could have imagined in that twisted mind of his. I hope you feel real good about your “victory.” You sure earned it.

Nicely put. The abject hell they put Sarah and her family through is just beyond the pale. There is NO EXCUSE for it and they must be held to account...now who and how can that be done?

re: #139 markx

I want my bumper sticker to say "I Told Ya So."

re: #126 jorline

Welcome to reality Mr. President elect...Dow down 372.

It's not happening "on his watch", so it's not his fault.

/

re: #87 Cattt

When I worked for the Feds in the 70s, we used to go to the bathroom every hour during winter to run our hands under hot water and thaw them out. Did I mention Carter was Pres then? Freezing us was part of his grand scheme.

When my father worked for the Feds in the 1970's, Obama's buddy bombed the building he worked in.

BTW, anyone know where I can buy a Don't Blame Me I Didn't Vote For Him bumpersticker?

They'll be available. I'm getting one that says 01-21-13. (or whatever the next igaugeration date is).

I support the President--just not this Marxist policies.

On the one hand I completley agree that becoming like Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or groups like 527 is totaly counterproductive.

On the other hand, I look at the nicities of the McCain camp and see a lot of missed opprutunities to take advantage of radical positions by Obama. I guess it just all depends on whether Obama really does try to implement his socialist ideas. The more radically he governs, the more confrontational we must be.

DJIA 8,780.14 -359.13 -3.93%
NASDAQ 1,622.06 -59.58 -3.54%
S&P 500 913.40 -39.37 -4.13%

Wall Street is as excited as I am about our 'dear new leader'.

* ~ ~ waves to remaining 401 K $$ ~~ *

re: #6 apachegunner

I say we rip the shit out of nobama every chance we get

I'd rather do that than declare war on that segment of the GOP that is conservative, has large families, fills the pews in the churches, walks the precincts, never fails to vote, and BTW, fight our wars for us. To tell you the truth, I am hanging by a tether with my patience, especially with these recent attacks on Sarah Palin, by her own party. If this trend to kick those people under the bus continues, then I say, screw it, let the blue bloods continue to dig their own graves. I will be happy to shovel dirt the on them. Maybe they have money, but they will have it all taxed away by the Socialists that they helped to elect. And I hope they lose every penny.

The Good is being made the victim of the Perfect, and that is beyond just plain dumb, it is IDIOTIC.

re: #142 MandyManners

Mandy, you asked for it. The president elect, the azzhat formerly known as senator present, The Obama. So sue me.

I think the race card is not gonna work any longer ... I think they threw that out of the deck so much during the campaign people are immune to it now... Now he will be the president ...and I have a right to question every move he makes ...I will be as vocal as I want to be about any decision that he makes regarding this country ...I never did not like him because he was black ...Never ...I did not like some of his black supporters .. who called me a racist white old b*tch for not supporting him in the primary and the general ...

Now he needs to be examined on every decision ...I think it was kind of a shock to him that he actually won the primary ...but once he did he knew he had the power and corrupt cash to go on to the presidency ...He will soon find out that he now will be under a microscope ... and it is our responsiblity to make sure he stays under a microscope ...

It will only happen through the online community ...

OT ...my brother walked my dog for me this morning around 9 ...three black young guys were on the corner drinking out of paper bags ...they were chanting OBAMA OBAMA ...my brother said to them ..."Change ...you have a black president now."... Somehow I doubt they are going to be "changing" their habits any time soon.

re: #85 Dustoff-507

Man-o-man. Mccains people are trashing Shara to the max.

McCain, see what happens when you hang with the libs. I guess you must of hired some too.

This is NOT good for our party.

No, they're seeking a scapegoat for their lackluster campaign that would almost be on par with Mondale's. This is what the republican party gets when they chose McCain. Sorry, but McCain was not a class act, he may have served his country, but he has been proven several times to be unelectable--when he lost to Bush he threw a fit, now we're seeing it again from his staffers. If he was a class act, he'd come out and disavow these stooges for their banal comments. These staffers are nothing but irresponsible cowards, bullies--I cannot abide bullies.

re: #126 jorline

Welcome to reality Mr. President elect...Dow down 372.

Um... counting yesterday, try 700 in 1.5 days. CLEAR vote of NO CONFIDENCE. We were sold HOPE, we got DESPAIR.

I normally like everything VDH writes, but, in part III:

But just as importantly, we have forgotten that we have chosen the most hard left candidate since Henry Wallace assumed the Vice Presidency, in a transparent fashion without fraud or deception.

Say what? Were you smoking crack when you wrote that sentence? Transparent? Without fraud or deception? Right. This whole campaign was the most perfect definition for both Fraud and Deception. I believe that 30 years from now we'll know that not only the choice of McCain, but the phenomenon of Ron Paul too, and more of the (Cloward-Piven-like) overloading glut of (R) contenders for the nomination, all came from the same money. The same Soros/WWP/Weathermen/Communist plan produced the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, miraculously nobody mentioned that Obama himself sued banks and led riotous demonstrations in bank lobbies in order to effect that collapse. No deception MY ASS.

What, not even VDH can mention Cloward-Piven and the planned collapse of FM/FM? Not even Rush will. Not even McCain, not even Bush. PUSSIES ALL OF THEM. Tell them, you WUSSES! You're afraid of what, not to just get on a F***ing television and tell the people about this strategy. Do you think the people are too stupid to understand? Rush, are we too dumb to understand this?

Gah, even the greats (VDH, Rush, etc, etc) compartmentalize and shut away the CENTRAL PLAN as if we either don't or couldn't understand, so they can babble about everything but the g**damn ELEPHANT in the livingroom: the planned-since-the-70's takeover by communist radicals of our nation. Talk about ANYTHING BUT THAT. And when you do get around to mentioning this, be vague, quick, and get back to the easy babble.

Sad thing is, they all told us exactly what they were going to do and how. Thanks Nikita Khrushchev, Osawatomie pukes, Ayers, Cloward, Piven, and the rest of you, all in full view, flipping us the bird, knowing we won't do shit, because we live by a set of ethics and rules.
-taq

re: #137 tigger2005

People, I need to feel some hope. Even with LGF and knowing that millions of Americans did vote rationally, I'm feeling utterly abandoned and alone and without a country. And it sometimes feels so HOPELESS that we can reverse this tide. One of the first steps needed to be halting illegal immigration, ASAP. Now that will never happen. The demographic of this country is going to change faster than ever. Can we possibly do enough to fix the educational system and get new immigrants to adopt "classical" (imagine, we now have to call them "classical" or something like that) American values, before we're completely overwhelmed? We can't even say we want them to "assimilate" anymore, really, because do we really want them to assimilate into a country where 52% of the people voted for a race-baiting associate of America-hating radicals?

The clearest thing is, we can't just be thinking about Obama's administration failing and maybe getting a Republican back in the White House in four years. We are no longer dealing with a loyal opposition, we are dealing with an enemy, and we must think long term struggle, a winning of hearts and minds back to America's founding principles, especially among the young. The Democrats have to be removed completely from power and another political party take their place.

I'm feeling that, too but, until I can pull myself up by my bootstraps and stop wallowing in my gloom, despair and agony, I'm just gonna' hafta' fake it until I make it.

(((tigger)))

re: #137 tigger2005
I think we've gone beyond that, we are rebels and unless we fight together we've lost our country. Illegals will be democratic voters, the poor class will continue to grow and vote democratic, the party in power will estabilish rules to keep it in power. This is going to take more than civil disagreement in my mind.

For crying out loud, he's already blaming the failures of his first term on Bush#tler.

re: #143 Dustoff-507

How they dare to do something like this. I respect and i love John McCain but he must say the guys to stop doing this to Sarah.

re: #159 ctrlL

If they take our 401(k)s accounts, does that mean they will also pay off what we owe on them?

re: #147 yma o hyd

Absolutely!
Now why is that, I wonder ...

At least CBBHO is giving us double the time!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If I see a stupid policy come out of an Obama administration (kinda like the idea in the last thread), I'm going to say something about it. Send the "brownsuits" after me, I don't care. I will be vocal. Conversely, if I see a good idea come out, I will be vocal about that as well.

I'm still pretty nervous (well, that's an understatement) about an Obama presidency, but that's what we're going to have, so I'm sucking it in and dealing.

For what it's worth, I want him to do a good job, I really do... I'm just not positive that's going to happen.

166 comments and I'm the first to notice that glaring sentence? wow.

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's not happening "on his watch", so it's not his fault.

/

To each a reaction to their ability.

Rahm Emmanuel will be Chief of Staff.
(He's Jewish, so freaking what.)

I just heard on the news that Rahm Emauel has accepted President-elect Obama's offer to be the Chief of Staff.

For those unfamiliar with Chicago politics, Emanuel is a viscious liberal attack dog of the first order. I heard him on a Chicago radio station yesterday saying that he interprets the vote results as a mandate from the voters to govern on the hard left.

Just want you to understand what you are working with here.

re: #97 The Other Les

May I suggest that we start a replacement for the GOP?

Call it the Renaissance Party.

Bad connotations.

re: #113 MandyManners

Exactly...and, anything (the mere whiff of criticism -- no matter how kindly it's worded) will be met with screams from the Dems about "the egregiousness", "the outrage". I happened to catch a glimpse of an Obama clip -- it was unbelievable, it showed in the audience, a young girl (white, btw), clearly mesmerized by The Anointed One -- she actually looked "zoned out". Can anyone imagine how this Zonked-out, this glassy-eyed, mesmerized follower would take any criticism of The One?

re: #152 PAgirlinNC

I want my bumper sticker to say "I Told Ya So."

So do I! It'll be like my T-shirt: "DON'T BLAME ME. I VOTED FOR BUSH" during the Clinton years.

re: #162 JacksonTn

Casualties were high in the Presidential Wars of 2006-08

Racism is dead.
Journalism is dead.
Political civility is dead.
GOP centrism is dead.
Fed campaign finance is dead.

re: #181 faraway

But the collective farm lives!

re: #4 bosforus

Let's see how long it takes for the dems to get sick of hearing "I AM pro-American I just don't agree with anything the president does, says, or thinks." or "We'd be unified it you weren't such a jackass and didn't elect a bonehead president".

My favorite tactic, widely employed by well known entertainers (read: people who are not repsonsible for the safety or well-being of others,) is to fire off some content-free personal insults, then, when called on it, explain that "I'm just asking the hard questions."

Uh, what "question" were you asking when you said that [name of conservative figure here] was waging war on children and the elderly to enrich his wealthy friends?

re: #150 tigger2005

I have no idea... What I want to know, where in HELL is McCain to stop these people?

re: #176 jemima

Indeed, how cynical that The Obama's first appointment is a court Jew.What a coincidence.
sarc/

re: #100 apachegunner

so'k Jinx, I'll do it for ya, happy to

You misunderstand what I said. Do it legitimately, the dems will give plenty of opportunity. The risk is, you may come out looking like a moonbat if you rave about everything. Then you might be compared with hatesites like HuffPo or Kos. Is that what you wanted to be equated with?

No. Do it legitimately.

Does Obama offer Hillary a Supreme Court nomination to remove her as any kind of threat (and placate angry feminists)?

The evil of our enemies in no way justifies the same behavior from us. Not because we "owe" anything to them, but because we owe it to ourselves.

re: #160 rawmuse

I'd rather do that than declare war on that segment of the GOP that is conservative, has large families, fills the pews in the churches, walks the precincts, never fails to vote, and BTW, fight our wars for us. To tell you the truth, I am hanging by a tether with my patience, especially with these recent attacks on Sarah Palin, by her own party. If this trend to kick those people under the bus continues, then I say, screw it, let the blue bloods continue to dig their own graves. I will be happy to shovel dirt the on them. Maybe they have money, but they will have it all taxed away by the Socialists that they helped to elect. And I hope they lose every penny.

The Good is being made the victim of the Perfect, and that is beyond just plain dumb, it is IDIOTIC.

The GOP is not responsible for those attacks. It's the elite, cocktail-circuit folks such as Peggy Noonan, and those in the McCain camp who cannot take responsibility for their own actions, and lack thereof.

re: #164 Jinx
One thing I am not and that is sorry that McCain didn't get elected. The MSM stuffed him down our throat and Huckabee slammed the door shut in west virgina with his dealing with the McCain people. I am worried only about one major thing, supreme court appointees.

re: #161 vagabond trader

Mandy, you asked for it. The president elect, the azzhat formerly known as senator present, The Obama. So sue me.

Ya' don't say.

re: #180 MandyManners

The thing is - we'll never have to scrape it off of our cars. The effects of the fuck-ups that he is going to make the next four years will last waaay longer than my car! And I keep my cars until they die...

re: #166 Taqiyyotomist

I don't see that sentence in the piece. Which paragraph?

OT: I got this in an e-mail from a Swiftboat Vet friend of mine...

DRILL SERGEANT JOE B. FRICK'S RULES FOR A GUN, KNIFE, BASEBALL BAT OR FIST FIGHT

1. Forget about knives, bats and fists. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker and go to cover. Distance is your friend. (Bulletproof cover and diagonal or lateral movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a semi or full-automatic long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running. Yell "Fire!" Why "Fire"? Cops will come with the Fire Department, sirens often scare off the bad guys, or at least cause then to lose concentration and will... and who is going to summon help if you yell "Intruder," "Glock" or "Winchester?"
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. "No battle plan ever survives 10 seconds past first contact with an enemy."
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible, but remember, sheetrock walls and the like stop nothing but your pulse when bullets tear through them.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don't drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Practice reloading one-handed and off-hand shooting. That's how you live if hit in your "good" side.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions don't (In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.)
19. Decide NOW to always be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you.
22. Be courteous to everyone, overly friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".
25. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket." At a practice session, throw you gun into the mud, then make sure it still works. You can clean it later.
26. Practice shooting in the dark, with someone shouting at you, when out of breath, etc.
27. Regardless of whether justified of not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperatire.
28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I beleived him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."

Finally, Drill Sergeant Frick's Rules For Un-armed Combat.
1: Never be unarmed.
2: If you have your hands, your feet, your mind and your Spirit as an American Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine or Coastie, you are never unarmed

re: #170 Pete-billy

I agree, but McCain is NO-where to stop this... He picked these staffers and look what has happened.

re: #179 J.S.

Exactly...and, anything (the mere whiff of criticism -- no matter how kindly it's worded) will be met with screams from the Dems about "the egregiousness", "the outrage". I happened to catch a glimpse of an Obama clip -- it was unbelievable, it showed in the audience, a young girl (white, btw), clearly mesmerized by The Anointed One -- she actually looked "zoned out". Can anyone imagine how this Zonked-out, this glassy-eyed, mesmerized follower would take any criticism of The One?

DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Then, her circuits will fry and her hea will explode.

I'm with the "screw Obama" crowd. Separate the policies from the man? How? Why? That make no sense. The problem is who he is: a deeply self-possessed, arrogant, know-it-all elitist commie, terrorist sympathizing, anti-Israeli, anti-American p.o.s. The only bright side to this election is that it's all on the Demonrats, who have complete control of the federal gov't. They are bound to fail b/c they are wrong on everything. I'm going to call them what they are.

re: #177 3 wood
the bimbo erruption gang was this nitwits idea

re: #76 Basho

A lot of people for started identifying themselves as conservatives because of the insanity that is associated with modern liberalism. We can't afford to drive them away. Let their [modern liberals] incompetence shine, don't block the light with temper tantrums...

Your post reminded me that in the 1990s, I was very "anti-Republican" because they gave me the impression that they were nuts. True, I got this impression from the MSM, but I was quite enraged at the way the Republicans went after Clinton when he was the duly elected President.

Now that I have this memory back, I want to say that we should be more polite than the LLLs have been. We can't control the soundbites, but we can try.

I say this as a person who LOVES a good rant, but we should look toward the future. At some point all those silly Obama-kids will grow up, and we want them to treat political arguments in a decent way, not as a vicious sport like we've seen in the past 8 years.

We, of course, wish to be liked abroad. But there are reasons why in many cases we are not. That is, many governments welcome authoritarians. They prefer tribal, religious, and racial chauvinism compared to our diverse plurality. They like class hierarchies and resent our mobility. They prefer statism, are anti-democratic, and have contempt for consumer capitalism. So why would we wish governments currently composed of radical Palestinians, Iranians, Venezuelans, North Koreans, Syrians, or Russians to like or admire us? While we would wish not to gratuitously excite their ire, their empathy toward us should make us worried not relieved.

This paragraph needs to be ENGRAVED IN A GRANITE MONUMENT and placed PROMINENTLY in D.C.

re: #188 SFGoth

Does Obama offer Hillary a Supreme Court nomination to remove her as any kind of threat (and placate angry feminists)?

She cannot get back into the thick of politics once she's wearing those robes.

Being nice didn't work for McCain.

This fake president shouldn't get one moment of respite in office, every single sentence he utters should be picked through with fine toothcomb. Every single gaffe analyzed and uploaded to multiple video sites and blogs, with thousands of requisite "haha what a dumbass" style comments.

His grades from Columbia will have to leak eventually, and they must be poor otherwise he'd have proudly displayed them.

re: #189 RagnardD

The evil of our enemies in no way justifies the same behavior from us. Not because we "owe" anything to them, but because we owe it to ourselves.

Cat-calls and holding their feet to the fire are evil?

re: #187 Jinx
I'll use your name? :>)

I think things will fall into place- into a billion pieces, yes, but still into place. Obama has no foreign policy experience and has been lauded by the same man with whom he said he would meet without pre-conditions. I believe come April 15 Americans' wallets won't feel lighter but non-existent.
Let the train wreck unfold. You can't ignore a train wreck.

re: #85 Dustoff-507

Man-o-man. Mccains people are trashing Shara to the max.

McCain, see what happens when you hang with the libs. I guess you must of hired some too.

This is NOT good for our party.

Attacking Sarah Palin is political shorthand for the inside-the-beltway RINO's trashing the (more conservative) bulk of the Republican Party.

re: #27 MandyManners

Mikey Moore.

OMG, I forgot about him... He'll have no new Film material, and be standing in the Cheese line.

re: #171 shiek al beif salami

If they take our 401(k)s accounts, does that mean they will also pay off what we owe on them?

No, they will just take the balance.

re: #193 PAgirlinNC

The thing is - we'll never have to scrape it off of our cars. The effects of the fuck-ups that he is going to make the next four years will last waaay longer than my car! And I keep my cars until they die...

Just think: we're still reaping what Carter sewed 30 years ago.

There is so much that Obama has said he will do that we'll have plenty of reasons to give factual, point-by-point debate. Bush was lied about from the first day of his campaign. And those lies turned into frenzies.

I don't think VDH is saying give Obama the comfy chair. I think Obama's got a rough road coming to him, but based on demand for facts, justification, and clear understanding of consequences. And the only way to do that is to keep from shooting wild.

re: #187 Jinx

You misunderstand what I said. Do it legitimately, the dems will give plenty of opportunity. The risk is, you may come out looking like a moonbat if you rave about everything. Then you might be compared with hatesites like HuffPo or Kos. Is that what you wanted to be equated with?

No. Do it legitimately.

There are many of us that will take the moral high ground - like the folks here at LGF. However, I am mean-spirited enough to play their game by their rules and beat them at it. I don't mind getting dirty. There has to be a few of us to be willing to take the low road so that you can kill them on the moral high ground.

VDH da bomb!

See, this is the problem I have with VDH's approach.
For eight years now the Left - not just the moonbats, the Left - have savaged George Bush AND America; if it was bad news for America it was good news for the Left.We tried being polite and reaching across the aisle and what we got for it was: worse than nada.
We tried to "fight" in a gentlemanly fashion - following the Marquess of Queensberry rules; in return we got shived, stomped, ganged up on and several other things I simply won't say on Charles blog, in other words the other side fought "dirty".
We have had this situation for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS. Now that those who fought "dirty" and who literally bought this election financially are in power, VDH suggests we keep following the political version of the Marquess of Queensberry rules.
I am going to take some time to think about and re-read all of VDH's column, but I do have to say that I don't particularly feel like throwing a jab and getting kicked in the balls in return every time again, and my initial reaction is to fight with every tool legally available to me - which is more than Obama and his campaign did to John McCain and the American People.

They just mentioned on WLS news that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad just offered his congratulations to Obama on his victory...

The first time since before Carter. Wow.

I repeat VDH: "While we would wish not to gratuitously excite their ire, their empathy toward us should make us worried not relieved."

re: #35 ctrlL

Okay ... BUT ... can we still call Michelle a B _ _ _ H ?

Please

That's FIRST B_ _ _H.

re: #190 MandyManners

The GOP is not responsible for those attacks. It's the elite, cocktail-circuit folks such as Peggy Noonan, and those in the McCain camp who cannot take responsibility for their own actions, and lack thereof.

The attacks are coming DIRECTLY from inside the McCain campaign, are ongoing, and BTW, where is Johnny Mac speaking out in defense of Ms. Palin? Where are his condemnations of this ongoing shame? Where is he naming names and heaping scorn upon them, as is the right thing to do?

re: #202 MandyManners

She cannot get back into the thick of politics once she's wearing those robes.

That's my point.

re: #184 Dustoff-507

I have no idea... What I want to know, where in HELL is McCain to stop these people?

He's busy congratulating Obama and being magnanimous in defeat.

re: #200 Promethea
but I was quite enraged at the way the Republicans went after Clinton when he was the duly elected President
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

WRONG!

Clinton got picked on because he and his people would not stop making news. Travel group, White water and missing paper work, his lawyer killing himself, Atty general, Waco etc.

re: #195 Pyrocles

Why is that "OT" :)

re: #188 SFGoth

Does Obama offer Hillary a Supreme Court nomination to remove her as any kind of threat (and placate angry feminists)?

I think that was her price for quietly going away. This way she can screw up the country for the next 20 to 25 years.

re: #220 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - could I safely assume you agree with my #208?

re: #168 apachegunner

I think we've gone beyond that, we are rebels and unless we fight together we've lost our country. Illegals will be democratic voters, the poor class will continue to grow and vote democratic, the party in power will estabilish rules to keep it in power. This is going to take more than civil disagreement in my mind.

That's crossed my mind too, plenty of times. But we haven't even TRIED to fight back passionately, even dirtily, but non-violently, yet. I'm tired of being told that in fighting back dirtily we become "like them." They're not who they are because of the nasty tactics they use to get into power and promote their anti-American policies. They're who they are because they hold to those policies in the first place.

In WW2 we used lies and deception with abandon to defeat our enemies. We didn't worry about playing nice. We blew Yamamoto's plane out of the sky and the Japanese accused us of a war crime. We made the Germans think we were landing at Pas-de-Calais.

In the Civil War, Lincoln WANTED his generals to fight hard and dirty. He wanted to burn Richmond to the ground.

In the Revolutionary War we tarred and feathered British tax collectors. We made Loyalists feel like paraiahs.

If we are passionate about liberty we should not be afraid to get down in the dirty trenches and fight for it. Putting politeness and decency first will guarantee our defeat.

re: #204 MandyManners

Cat-calls and holding their feet to the fire are evil?

I certainly think we should hold his feet to the fire. Every punitive tax, every onerous new regulation, every handout of unearned loot, and every appeasement of our enemies... we should explain why it's wrong.

But self-defeating comparisons to hitler, self-revealing degeneration into profanity, and self-consuming hatred? Useless and ineffective.

It is possible to criticize Obama without debasing the office of the presidency. It is necessary to oppose the Democratic Party without undermining democracy. If conservatives can do this they will succeed in winning back control of Congress 2010 & the White House in 2012.

re: #224 realwest
PIMF my #214!

re: #215 Taqiyyotomist

He also called for Obama to remove all trade sanctions on Iran.

re: #214 realwest

I am going to take some time to think about and re-read all of VDH's column, but I do have to say that I don't particularly feel like throwing a jab and getting kicked in the balls in return every time again, and my initial reaction is to fight with every tool legally available to me - which is more than Obama and his campaign did to John McCain and the American People.

Obama's first appointment was a dirty street fighter. So much for wanting to play nice.

yeah, and travel restrictions to re: #229 Kenneth

re: #194 rawmuse

I don't see that sentence in the piece. Which paragraph?

The one entitled "On the Taboo of Race"...part III.

The landmark consequences of electing the first African-American President dominated the news cycle for the last 24-hours. But just as importantly, we have forgotten that we have chosen the most hard left candidate since Henry Wallace assumed the Vice Presidency, in a transparent fashion without fraud or deception. That marks a landmark shift in American attitudes, like it or not. And no one reported on that anomaly, or on the fact that Obama was the first northern liberal to be elected since JFK—or even the first senator to make it since JFK (and LBJ via the Vice Presidency).

re: #137 tigger2005

People, I need to feel some hope. Even with LGF and knowing that millions of Americans did vote rationally, I'm feeling utterly abandoned and alone and without a country. And it sometimes feels so HOPELESS that we can reverse this tide. One of the first steps needed to be halting illegal immigration, ASAP. Now that will never happen. The demographic of this country is going to change faster than ever. Can we possibly do enough to fix the educational system and get new immigrants to adopt "classical" (imagine, we now have to call them "classical" or something like that) American values, before we're completely overwhelmed? We can't even say we want them to "assimilate" anymore, really, because do we really want them to assimilate into a country where 52% of the people voted for a race-baiting associate of America-hating radicals?

The clearest thing is, we can't just be thinking about Obama's administration failing and maybe getting a Republican back in the White House in four years. We are no longer dealing with a loyal opposition, we are dealing with an enemy, and we must think long term struggle, a winning of hearts and minds back to America's founding principles, especially among the young. The Democrats have to be removed completely from power and another political party take their place.

tigger,
i am extremely disappointed too. and concerned. but we will get thru this. we won't give up. i enjoy reading your posts and hate too see you so down.
take a moment and try to find some joy in your life everyday. look for it. it is there.
we lost the election but now we have work to do. keep that at the top of your list.

Let me be honest here:

- I will NOT unite with Americans or anybody behind Obama in any way, shape and form. I will not unite with a Marxist who's policies I believe will destroy our nation as we know it. Understand I do not question Obama's patriotism because I can't question something I haven't seen from him. Everything I have learned about the man has made me more and more worried about what he will do to our country. I will give him the same opportunity Democrats gave GW Bush after his election in 2000, The Big Zero, just like Obama is. I hope and pray, for our nation's sake, that he turns out to more pragmatic when he finally takes the reigns of power and turns more to the center as Bill Clinton did. I sincerely hope I am wrong about Obama. I don't think I'm wrong, but I want to be. I'd love to be able to post here in a few years about how wrong I was about him.

- I will unite with Americans in front of Obama to oppose him. I'm looking into getting involved with the Republican party at the grassroots level to try to bring it back to true Reagan conservatism. I'm going to be as "in your face" with Liberals when Obama does what I think is wrong, just as liberals where in my face when they thought GW Bush did wrong, which was all the time. I know that will be hard but if the Democrats could resurrect their shattered party after 2004 election so can we if Conservatives become more involved. So it's time for me to walk the walk, and get off my fat ass and do something about it.

Even though I am quite depressed at the prospect of an ObaMarx administration, I also feel energized. My country needs me and each and every one of us Conservatives. We can reverse this disaster if most of us decide to get involved. YES WE CAN!

re: #189 RagnardD

The evil of our enemies in no way justifies the same behavior from us. Not because we "owe" anything to them, but because we owe it to ourselves.

See, I don't understand this mindset. It's the same mindset that says that since we copied the bombing and blitzkrieg tactics of the Germans and used them against them, we became JUST LIKE THEM.

I do agree we don't have to make crap up to use against them. But this gentlemanly McCain approach, like not using Jeremiah Wright against Obama, has to stop. If we do not attack Obama with passion and righteous anger, how can we expect to inspire anyone?

re: #78 Brisco County

Liberals are always allowed to act like children. It's a mixture of moral superiority, self-righteous indignation, and hip rebelliousness. I wonder how remorseful they would be if we returned the favor during the next eight years by trashing their candidates as being inhuman, or heckling their public assemblies. I'm resigned to not do it, since I'm civil, but I do intend to constantly remind them of this. I think that will be part of a growing trend, too.

I can see why you are uncomfortable with this. Down in the mud with the pigs isn't how civil people behave. But, we have to get our points across and THEY have, I hate to say this, taught us that the "Ends justify the Means" whether we like it or not.

re: #26 faraway

Actually, I don't really have a problem with that. Even if you disagree with his policies, you would have to be overcome with emotion that a man of your race was now President.

Yea, I remember crying when Carter was elected.

GWG

Four years ago, I remember a headline : "How could 60 million Americans be so stupid?"

This year, while I havent perused all right wing blogs, I did see respectful notes of congratulations to Obama on Hotair, Scrappleface.

Conservatives just seem to be more respectful.

There was something bothersome about the treatment of Sarah Palin. Her final campaign appearances and interviews showed calm, poise and competence. Her charm galvanized the base. And yet the hard Left on day one reduced her to a Neanderthal creationist. The DC-NY Republican grandees demonized her as a cancerous bimbo who spoke in a patois and represented a culture that was an anathema. Now after heroic campaign work, she returns to Alaska with leaks that she was a diva, appeared in a bathrobe, and threw things, as failed strategists grasp at scapegoats for their lapses. I hope she completes her term, runs for Senate, and comes back to DC to haunt her critics. Long after 2008, we shall remember that an Atlantic Mazagine blogger for days on end trafficked in rumors that her own daughter delivered her mother’s Down Syndrome child. That smear says it all.

God I love VDH.

The Republican party badly needs to get back to its roots of small government and personal responsibility without throwing people who are conservative on moral issues under the bus.

We have to accept the fact that for years now the Left has been able to savage the Right in speech, media, action, and on the air, yet we have been unable to answer in kind. The most raving faux-right windbags on radio, you know, the ones who give diatribes against the gay mafia yet secretly contribute huge amounts to Jerry Brown's election fund, these career sock-puppets do the only spittle-spewing rants from the Right and are directly answered by the Congressional leadership... while our leadership hems and haws, makes quiet noises of dissent, or whatever it is that they do.

I'm not sure what to do... do we call names, rant, march... well, maybe not march, we suck at marching unless it's in uniform... disrupt things, burn flags (we can find some "O" flags somewhere, I'm sure)? Or do we do as we've always done, politely disagree, while one or two nutballs look for conspiracies and give us all a bad name?

Civility really doesn't seem to work as a one-way street, and I'm tired of waiting for the Dems to grow up.

We need to find a leader... someone admirable WITH a clear vision of how this country should move forward. McCain might be a great guy, but the only stable part of his vision of the future was him at the helm. To my way of thinking... if we work on the core ideas, a leader will come.

Saul Alinsky Takes the White House
h/t - Rush

re: #232 Taqiyyotomist

The way the sentence is put together, it is hard to discern whether he is writing about BHO, or Henry Wallace. I think it is the latter.

VDH knows how to write, and if I still know how to read, I think the latter is true.

re: #97 The Other Les

May I suggest that we start a replacement for the GOP?

Call it the Renaissance Party.

No, the existing two party system is too firmly entrenched to make a new political party a practical idea. What is really needed is for the Republicans to do a top-to-bottom housecleaning.

No more senators like Stevens and Craig. Yes, do a background check on potential candidates, and watch them like a hawk after they're in office, with an eye to removing them immediately whenever necessary.

Employ solid conservative principles, but stop catering to the fringe one-issue religious zealots (as was discussed at length here yesterday).

Pick a few issues that resonate with the voters and keep hitting them with a consistent message: strong defense, an end to earmarks, an energy policy that is oriented to what is best for the American consumer and not driven by environmental wackos.

That's for starters, there are others, but you get the point.

There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

Erm... we've already got Ann Coulter.

(I was gonna say Rush Limbaugh, too, because I was thinking in terms of "opinion-mongers who reduce complex issues to quips and soundbites." But then I realized VDH was going for the "complete lack of class" angle, and I'm not sure if that fairly applies to Rush.)

re: #242 right_wing2

The Republican party badly needs to get back to its roots of small government and personal responsibility without throwing people who are conservative on moral issues under the bus.

Easy, we don't push them (moral issues). Except on the visceral issue of gay marriage -- which even atheists can be against -- people voted for whomever promised them more $ not more salvation. Want to kill universal health care? Tie it to losing weight. Too fat = no $.

#148 Buzzsawmonkey,

You advice is sensible, but to say I support Obama as president but not his policies is as dishonest as the left was in saying they support the troops but not the war. I understand the rhetorical currency it has, but it is still dishonest.

As for the racism charge, that doesn't faze me. The people who cry racism are grasping at straws and admitting that they have no serious argument to offer.

As for your logic of "If the government does x, y will happen," most people don't care about cause and effect, and most are economically illiterate anyway. They'll continiue to believe in the magic of Obama until it becomes screamingly obvious that the guy is part of the problem. And then the rationalizations will come into play, aided and abetted by the media. When the charasmatic cult leader is shown to be a sham, the followers don't necessarily stop believing in him. They just come up with a bunch of rationalizations to assuage the cognitive dissonance. The silver lining of this election is that there aren't going to be that many Republicans to blame the mess on. It will truly be a Democrat problem. And I say this with sadness, because I don't want to see my great country damaged.

My prediction:
Obama isn't going to move to the center. He's going to shift back to the left.
He will use rhetorical flourishes to fool the masses - but make no mistake - the man will govern from the left.
-Punitive tax rates
-Big time government intervention into our lives
-Anti-free speech/ "fairness doctrine"
to name a few...

I just hope the man wises up in regard to Iraq and Iran - or we are really screwed.
Overall Obama will be beholden to the folks who supported him and got him the job: unions and other big-government hard left coalitions.

re: #230 3 wood
Hey there my friend. Oh yes, I did indeed take notice of that first appointment.
The problem really is that we have let the LEFT fight
"dirty" and we have tried the "bi-partisanship" approach and I AM sick and tired of the way the American Left fights - and now, although I AM going to take some time to think it over - I want to fight back in their own style - let's see just how much they like it. Or can take it.
The next thread is about how suddenly the Left city of Seattle has become patriotic; BULLSHIT. They were NEVER patriotic before and I see no reason, nor have they proffered one, to believe them now.

re: #99 J.S.

A problem I see is this -- any, that's any, legitimate, well-reasoned, thoughtful critique of Obama's policies (once Obama assumes office, and Obama enacts/proposes something which may be less than "perfect") will (i fear) be immediately categorized by the Feverish, Undisciplined, Hysterical, Ranting press as an "utter outrage", "racist," and/or "beneath contempt!" It'll be the "expected" Paul Begala "response" -- shrill, screaming and unhinged. And I also have serious doubts about newspapers and television "news" programs who've endorsed Obama -- what can we honestly expect from them? I expect them to become nothing more than the extended State Organs of the Official Mouthpieces of the Anointed One...The Pravda's (I really, really, hope that I'm proven wrong -- but I'm not holding my breath.)

I fully expect the screw-ups of the Obama administration to be so big, and so obvious, that even an MSM that is in the tank for Obama to be able to cover it up.

re: #249 SFGoth

What you describe is inevitable, as government does not produce anything, all it can do is ration the existing supply. Rationing is done by disqualifying applicants for said services and programs. Too fat? Smoker? Alcoholic? disqualified.

rawmuse, re-reading...no I still think the sentence refers to this election.

...(we) have chosen (the most hard left candidate since Henry Wallace assumed the Vice Presidency), [and we have chosen him] in a transparent fashion without fraud or deception.

It's been a long time since I've technically diagrammed sentences...long long time. I could be wrong.

re: #195 Pyrocles

i like #21.
i think i have been subconsciously doing that since i moved to ny
25 yrs. ago.

re: #255 Taqiyyotomist

I'll ask him next time I see him. Should be in a week. ;)

re: #137 tigger2005

(hmmm...I have to confess something, here...Occasionally, I've watched programs -- you know al-Jazeera ones -- and I was seething...at the lies, at the distortions, etc., I despised (deeply) what I viewed...I'd feel alienated...now here's the "amusing" thing, when/if I flip over to CNN and see certain "talking heads"...it's deja-vu...like watching al-Jazeera...just sayin'...)

grr. Earthshare ad on WLS right now.

"What if you had to decide...between a tree...and a river."

No, "What if you had to decide...between one communist organization, and another." Earthshare. Spit. Is there a "Humanshare" equivalent, for cancer, MS, MD, etc.?

Leftists don't govern from a standpoint of hope, change, love, thoughtfulness, integrity.

Leftists govern from anger, revenge, and ideological purity.

re: #242 right_wing2

The Republican party badly needs to get back to its roots of small government and personal responsibility without throwing people who are conservative on moral issues under the bus.

In a lot of ways, though, we've become too identified with social and moral stands ONLY. And some of those stands come off sounding so shrill that they drive away future Republicans who would embrace the concepts of personal responsibility and opportunity, of maximum liberty and minimum interference... but can't bring themselves to embrace the abortion-is-murder cause.

Frankly, I think the anti-abortion crowd needs to focus more on social conditioning... like the anti-smoking forces. Make people feel personally bad about it and do it with a deft hand, rather than trying to do it legislatively.

The party needs to focus on national security, and preserving the American way of life. Revitalize the ideal American... the self-confident, capable person who can take care of themself and succeed, and disdains handouts and unearned assistance. Get that image back in vogue... then people will turn away from more government handouts, and more flirting with socialism.

re: #259 Iron Fist

I anticipate an all out assault on the right to keep and bear incorrect ideas.
My variant.

re: #154 SFGoth

When my father worked for the Feds in the 1970's, Obama's buddy bombed the building he worked in.

In March of Carter's first year, Hanafi Muslim terrorists seized the Washington D.C. City Council Chambers, B'nai B'rith, and the Islamic Center. They took over 100 people hostage and held them for two days. One man was killed and 12 people were wounded, including Marion Berry, who was on the city council then. Needless to day, security, which was already tight, increased at the FBI building.

re: #240 Eagle

Four years ago, I remember a headline : "How could 60 million Americans be so stupid?"

This year, while I havent perused all right wing blogs, I did see respectful notes of congratulations to Obama on Hotair, Scrappleface.

Conservatives just seem to be more respectful.

Indeed!

re: #133 Dave the...

Unfortunately, you do need to be aggressive. It's sad, but many youngster get 100% of their news from the Daily Show. Actually I work with people in their late 20's and early 30's that do also. They think this is real news and everything done on there is accurate. Conservatives aren't going to win by holding town hall meetings and nothing else.

Agreed. We need an equivalent of the Daily Show. Fox had one on within the year; the name escapes me. I watched it once. The main problem is that it wasn't funny, or even entertaining.

You can't write a show like that to appeal only to conservatives. To get the wider appeal, it has to have a different focus, without the conservative-insider humor.

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's not happening "on his watch", so it's not his fault.

/

When it is his watch, it will be the fault of the previous watch. Ta Dah!

re: #141 MandyManners

Yep, I know that all too well.

re: #253 Son of the Black Dog

you mean, so big that even the MSM won't be able to cover it up? (hmm...even here though, I think you're assuming that the MSM would actually be truthful -- I'm far more cynical -- I suspect (will have to wait and see) the MSM will find a scapegoat and deflect any criticism of Obama onto the new-found "enemies" (and they'll be the ones who'll be blamed -- they'll be obviously innocent, but nonetheless the media will demonize and go after them, with lots of false accusations, incrimination's, etc., sans evidence -- it'll be based on raw hatred and rumors. Can already catch a glimpse of this occasionally...re: Palin.)

No thanks VDH.
I'm truly fed up, as others have noted on this thread with tactics of the Left and the Establishment GOP's wimpy response to them.