LGF

more options

  

Advertisement

Vlaams Belang and National Front Leaders Caught Mocking Holocaust

World | Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:11:10 pm PST

A cellphone video caught members of the Belgian neo-fascist parties Vlaams Belang and National Front—Luc Van Keerbergen and Michel Delacroix—in the act of singing a racist song in French, mocking the Holocaust.

Delacroix and Van Keerbergen have now been evicted from their parties, because they let a little too much slip out in public.

Youtube Video

Translation of the song:

My little Jewish girl is in Dachau.
She is in unslaked lime.
She has left her ghetto, to be burnt alive.

Advertisement

1233 comments

  • Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 Adrenalyn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:12:06pm

shocker

/

2 gop_patriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:12:26pm

Disgusting creatures.

3 Adrenalyn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:13:02pm

look at the credits:

Executive Producer; Amaddinnerjacket
Associate Producer; Jessie (Hymietown) Jackson

4 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:14:13pm

There is hot seat waiting for each of these guys, and its in Hell.

5 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:14:47pm

Pimf on that. "There is A hot seat........

6 Adrenalyn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:11pm

re: #4 A Kiwi Infidel

There is hot seat waiting for each of these guys, and its in Hell.

Anybody remember "Hot Seat"
with Wally George from the 70's ?

7 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:11pm
8 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:27pm

Calling Powerline: Please don't defend any Vlaams Belang associated people for any reason...

9 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:15:54pm

Brussels, Belgium - The leader of Belgium's far-right National Front party, Michel Delacroix, resigned today a few hours after he was shown on television singing a song making light of the Holocaust.

"Mr Delacroix, perfectly aware of what his actions would mean for him, has decided to resign from his post as president of the National Front," the party said in a statement, underlining that his act was "inadmissible."

In a video on public television's midday news, Delacroix was seen singing a song to the tune of "l'eau vive" by Jewish singer Guy Beart, but with the lyrics changed to tell the story of a Jewish woman sent to the gas chamber in Dachau.

He was sitting on a sunny terrace with a few friends as he sang.

The broadcast brought a swift reaction from the main Belgian organisation policing the fight against discrimination, which accused him of "Holocaust denial" and "inciting racial hatred."

Contacted, Delacroix said: "I can't remember having sung it, even if I have known the words for years."

The blind senator also raised some questions about whether the tape was authentic, although he thought it was probably filmed in Spain eight years ago.

"I can immediately see the bad taste in it, but even if there is something real in it, (the performance) was in no way public," he said.

Delacroix also raised the possibility that it was made public as an act of revenge, saying that he thought the tape might have been in a file for his divorce which he said "finished badly for my ex-wife a few months ago".

He suggested that a former member of the National Front who was recently ejected from the party might have been involved as well.

Unlike the relatively-strong Flemish far-right Vlaams Belang party, the French-language National Front has been torn apart by in-fighting in recent years and has a weak support base.

10 JustAGal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:16:18pm

I rarely use the "f" word, but who the F are these people?

Thank God I've not eaten dinner yet because I would PUKE!

11 opnion  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:16:45pm

And the sumbitches smirk while they sing it!

12 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:16:59pm

Is Atlas Shrugs still supporting these asshats?

13 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:17:16pm

re: #12 Alouette

Is Atlas Shrugs still supporting these asshats?

Yes.

14 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:17:30pm

Had a discussion once with a guy who went undercover in White Supremacist groups in the U.S. He stated that some groups hate blacks, others hate Asians, some hate Liberals, and some hate Arabs....but they ALL hate the Jews.

15 bosforus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:18:06pm

The Seinfeld rerun on the tube last night was the one where Jerry and George accidentally end up impersonating the leader of the new Aryan Neo-Nazi movement. There are two followers in a limo with them that have never seen the face of the leader (George assumes that role). The followers are absolute psychos. The people in this video make them look tame in comparison.

16 jaunte  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:19:05pm

Assholes.

17 rightymouse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:19:07pm

Ah..well..what are a few ditties like this when one is going about the serious job of building a coalition?

/must I?

18 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:20:35pm

at least they acknowledge the holocaust!?
~silver lining?

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:21:00pm

The possibility still exists that "the ovens" will come back.

These filth must be fought!

/grammar was intentional

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:38pm
. In other words, the question is not whether or not we should support neofascists, but whether or not Vlaams Belang is neofascist. That question is hotly disputed,....


- Robert Spencer

21 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:41pm

What kind of person mocks the murder of 6 million souls?
That at least gets you entry past the 7th gate of hell.

22 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:22:44pm

May I suggest violence?

/

23 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:23:41pm

re: #13 Charles

Yes.

A proper Objectivist wouldn't do that.

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:23:44pm
If Vlaams Belang were openly neo-Nazi, it would be an open-and-shut case, and no one should support them. But this is a search for crypto-fascists, and people assess the evidence differently.

- Robert Spencer

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:24:18pm

Smear Merchant!

26 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:24:44pm

Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that.

27 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:32pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

What kind of person mocks the murder of 6 million souls?
That at least gets you entry past the 7th gate of hell.

One is tempted to ask them (not that I want to be anywhere near them) what it is like to not have a Human soul.

28 dgax65  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:25:40pm

That just makes me sick.

29 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:26:11pm

re: #9 Alouette

A linky would help.

/nail them to the floorboards

30 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:26:27pm

Nice friends you got there Pamela.

31 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:26:47pm

re: #8 Sunlight

I was shocked to see Powerline supporting these creeps. Very sad.

32 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:27:23pm

Hey Vlaams Belang,

Mock all you want. Your party is defunk, and made up today of nothing more than inbred, uneducated, hate-filled morons with ZERO power, and even less respect from the outside world.

My people however, you know The Jews, (as far as you are concerned) still run the U.S., still control the banks, still control the media, are still meeting under the guise of the Elders of Zion, and actually have our own County, and are flourishing.

YOU LOST, WE WON!

Am Yisroel Chai, Shmuck!

33 bosforus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:27:43pm

Those guys were probably browbeaten buy their teachers.

34 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:27:54pm

re: #32 PIMF

Hey Vlaams Belang,

Mock all you want. Your party is defunct, and made up today of nothing more than inbred, uneducated, hate-filled morons with ZERO power, and even less respect from the outside world.

My people however, you know The Jews, (as far as you are concerned) still run the U.S., still control the banks, still control the media, are still meeting under the guise of the Elders of Zion, and actually have our own County, and are flourishing.

YOU LOST, WE WON!

Am Yisroel Chai, Shmuck!

35 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:28:26pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

A linky would help.

/nail them to the floorboards



"He nailed your head to the floor?"

"Yes, at first"

36 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:29:00pm

re: #26 Lucius Septimius

Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that.

Why, thank you!
/

37 gopninja  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:29:29pm

Disgusting

38 eon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:30:05pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

My assessment of the evidence;

1. The two asshats in the video are anti-Semites. Period.

2. Robert Spencer needs his head examined. Seriously.

(Speaking as somebody who used to respect him- very much emphasizing the past tense now.)

cheers

eon

39 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:30:31pm

re: #29 Killian Bundy

A linky would help.

/nail them to the floorboards

Pam Geller denies Vlaams Belang are neo-nazi fascists (multiple linkies)

40 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:31:02pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I was shocked to see Powerline supporting these creeps. Very sad.

I was thinking they may not have followed all that stuff last year on LGF... they have day jobs AND write on their blog (among I'm sure a million other things). So I'll choose for now to think that they either didn't know or didn't read far enough to have seen that police guy's association with VB.

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:31:30pm
42 claire  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:33:04pm

Karma's a bitch.

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:33:29pm
44 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:33:32pm
45 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:05pm

That is one of the most utterly vile and disgusting things I've ever seen or heard.

46 jamie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:32pm

In case anyone was wondering, fuck Robert Spencer.

47 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:44pm

re: #39 Alouette

Pam Geller denies Vlaams Belang are neo-nazi fascists (multiple linkies)

Huh?

/no I was asking for a linky to the source for your quote in #9, I'm on your side

48 Render  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:53pm

See you in four years. I'm going dark, no more public commenting.

You can find me on the COD4 gaming servers - killing everything that moves.

AIN'T
ABOUT
YOU,
R

49 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:34:57pm
50 maddogg  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:35:44pm

Fucking scum.

51 jonathan1984  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:36:46pm

Europe's such a charming continent, ain't it? The political parties are either a) dhimmi, b) Nazi, or c) dumb.

52 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:36:55pm

re: #47 Killian Bundy

Huh?

/no I was asking for a linky to the source for your quote in #9, I'm on your side

Far-right leader resigns over Holocaust song

53 pegcity  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:13pm

god and these are people a certain jihadwatcher would have us believe are on the same side as us.

please, they'd go after the jews the second the muslims were out of the way.

54 gop_patriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:14pm

re: #48 Render

Well, crap. :(

(((Render)))

55 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:21pm

re: #48 Render

Enjoy R, good to see you are still out there.

56 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:23pm

Pretty sick.

57 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:24pm

Eh Chem Vlaams Belang...

Your guys.....

...my guys.

No wonder they are upset.

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:37:24pm

re: #40 Sunlight

So I'll choose for now to think that they either didn't know or didn't read far enough to have seen that police guy's association with VB.


I've seen this excuse repeatedly. A lot of people pretend not to notice that they are supporting neonazis.

59 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:34pm

re: #53 pegcity

god and these are people a certain jihadwatcher would have us believe are on the same side as us.

please, they'd go after the jews the second the muslims were out of the way.

I think they are going after them anyway... by inciting and supplying Israel attackers.

60 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:38:57pm

Wasn't there some blog a year ago that...give me a second...wait...wait...said something about...what was that blog?...these people being fascist? I'm sure I'll remember soon—it's on the tip of my tongue.

61 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:40:07pm

For new lizards wondering what the heck this is all about a search here on "Vlaams" will give you all the sordid details, and I've got some of the history here, and here.

Pam: Still going to defend your friends who sing about Jews in Lime?

62 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:40:09pm
63 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:40:21pm

does pamela think she would get a pass from bums like this?

64 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:40:27pm

re: #48 Render

Render - LGF needs your writings.

65 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:04pm
66 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:12pm
67 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:13pm

re: #52 Alouette

Far-right leader resigns over Holocaust song

Contacted by AFP, Delacroix said: "I can't remember having sung it, even if I have known the words for years."

/thanks, now it's even more disgusting

68 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:36pm

re: #53 pegcity

I'm not so sure they'd wait.
They might go after the Jews first.

69 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:41:51pm

OT (big time)

But this needs to be pointed out. No Media bias? J'accuse Misure Matthews, J'accuse!

Chris Matthews: "I Want To Do Everything I Can To Make This New Presidency Work"

/sorry if I made anyone ill...

70 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:42:10pm
71 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:07pm

It also seems that a Vlaams Belang politician was arrested last week for organizing Nazi concerts.....
Organizers neo-Nazi concerts arrested


The federal police today arrested three suspects in connection with an investigation into the organization of a series of neo-Nazi concerts. It reports the federal prosecutor's office. There are suspects arrested in Antwerp, Bocholt and Gullegem, who also each time a search took place. There were computers and documents seized.

Vlaams Belang says if the rumors are true they'll throw him out....
"Vlaams Belang does not tolerate neo-Nazis"

If it is true that one of those arrested in the investigation into the organization of concerts by neo-Nazi Blood and Honor a few years ago was a candidate in a local election list of Vlaams Belang, then that person immediately put out the party. Dat meldt partijvoorzitter Bruno Valkeniers. Reports that party chairman Bruno falconers.

72 eon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:16pm

re: #53 pegcity

god and these are people a certain jihadwatcher would have us believe are on the same side as us.

please, they'd go after the jews the second the muslims were out of the way.

More likely these b*****ds are hoping the jihadis will do the dirty work, thereby letting them keep their hands clean. And their precious (to them) hides intact.

/scratch a racist, you generally find a coward underneath in my experience

cheers

eon

73 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:43:38pm

re: #49 ploome hineni

hi touts

:D

Hi, Ploome!
Shame we meet up on a thread about some completely disgusting people with unspeakably horrific views.

74 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:44:41pm

no seriously, Vlaams....live in the past, enjoy your hatred......we however, continue to live & CELEBRATE

75 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:45:05pm

re: #69 Yankee Division Son

OT (big time)

But this needs to be pointed out. No Media bias? J'accuse Misure Matthews, J'accuse!

Chris Matthews: "I Want To Do Everything I Can To Make This New Presidency Work"

/sorry if I made anyone ill...

Apart from the aforementioned Pam there are hardly any people who are dumber than a democrat.

76 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:45:23pm
77 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:46:20pm

re: #48 Render

You can find me on the COD4 gaming servers - killing everything that moves.

/start looking at a server named "Dssg HC PBBans"

78 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:47:28pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Diksmuide
Afgelopen weekend hield de extreemrechtse organisatie Blood and Honour een nieuw concert in Diksmuide. Last weekend was the extreme right-wing organization Blood and Honor a new concert in Diksmuide. Er werden heel wat mensen gecontroleerd en agenten in burger stelden toen ook inbreuken vast op de racismewet. There were many people checked and agents in civilian clothes was also claimed infringements on the racismewet.

Ah yes the Iron Pilgrimage, Neo nazi fuckheads from all over Europe converge there annually

79 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:48:39pm

Nazis ... I hate those guys.

You know, I learned very early on, like when I was maybe 12, that anyone who hates Jews is my enemy as well. It's uncannily accurate.

80 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:49:00pm

Barney bites reporter

/he can smell Reuters, perfect

81 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:49:24pm

Nice friends fjordy, pam and robert have.

82 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:49:27pm

re: #74 WrathofG-d

no seriously, Vlaams....live in the past, enjoy your hatred......we however, continue to live & CELEBRATE

Living well is the best revenge...
someone told me that one bad time and I've lived by it ever since. It works.

83 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:50:17pm

Let's see GOV et al cover for these guys now.

84 legalpad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:51:12pm

re: #79 Tigger2005

Nazis ... I hate those guys.

You know, I learned very early on, like when I was maybe 12, that anyone who hates Jews is my enemy as well. It's uncannily accurate.

There you go! Now if the rest of the Jews will catch on.

85 quickjustice  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:51:25pm

Ah, yes, the ancient sport of Jew-baiting, being kept alive by a small but determined band of European bigots!

86 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:51:41pm

re: #80 Killian Bundy

Barney bites reporter

/he can smell Reuters, perfect

Yeah, I saw that on TV today. The prick will probably turn around and sue Bush?

87 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:51:46pm

re: #84 legalpad

when the Jews left Egypt, 3/4 got left behind.

88 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:10pm

re: #83 karmic_inquisitor

Let's see GOV et al cover for these guys now.

"The party removed them so it shows VB is not racist."

89 Soona'  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:23pm

re: #79 Tigger2005

Nazis ... I hate those guys.

You know, I learned very early on, like when I was maybe 12, that anyone who hates Jews is my enemy as well. It's uncannily accurate.

And to go on: Anyone who hates Israel is an enemy of mine.

90 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:30pm

re: #78 Thanos

Huh, I didn't know that.

91 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:35pm

re: #9 Alouette

Brussels, Belgium - The leader of Belgium's far-right National Front party, Michel Delacroix, resigned today a few hours after he was shown on television singing a song making light of the Holocaust.

"Mr Delacroix, perfectly aware of what his actions would mean for him, has decided to resign from his post as president of the National Front," the party said in a statement, underlining that his act was "inadmissible."

In a video on public television's midday news, Delacroix was seen singing a song to the tune of "l'eau vive" by Jewish singer Guy Beart, but with the lyrics changed to tell the story of a Jewish woman sent to the gas chamber in Dachau.

He was sitting on a sunny terrace with a few friends as he sang.

The broadcast brought a swift reaction from the main Belgian organisation policing the fight against discrimination, which accused him of "Holocaust denial" and "inciting racial hatred."

Contacted, Delacroix said: "I can't remember having sung it, even if I have known the words for years."

The blind senator also raised some questions about whether the tape was authentic, although he thought it was probably filmed in Spain eight years ago.

"I can immediately see the bad taste in it, but even if there is something real in it, (the performance) was in no way public," he said.

Delacroix also raised the possibility that it was made public as an act of revenge, saying that he thought the tape might have been in a file for his divorce which he said "finished badly for my ex-wife a few months ago".

He suggested that a former member of the National Front who was recently ejected from the party might have been involved as well.

Unlike the relatively-strong Flemish far-right Vlaams Belang party, the French-language National Front has been torn apart by in-fighting in recent years and has a weak support base.

hell hath no fury.....

92 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:52:36pm

re: #85 quickjustice

Ah, yes, the ancient sport of Jew-baiting, being kept alive by a small but determined band of European bigots!

They have help. Don't forget the Jew hating bunny from Hamas?

93 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:00pm

re: #83 karmic_inquisitor

Let's see GOV et al cover for these guys now.

They'll just use these guys ouster from the VB as proof that VB is no longer all about being a nazi.

94 Abu Lahab  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:14pm

These are their real faces, nothing shocking. The real shock is that some bloggers defend and rationalize their association with these sugar-coated Nazis. No one is benefiting from such alliance as Islamic extremists since the anti-Jihad movement is endangering its reputation with such allies.
If/when sanity wins, these bloggers should issue an apology for every word that was written smearing LGF and Charles's attitude on European fascists.
Europe is really doomed without the USA. They first commit terrible mistakes, and then try to fix them by committing other mistakes, and when all that gets too complicated to fix: America! HELP US!

95 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:30pm

re: #76 ploome hineni

nothing new. It's been going on a few hundred years

Yes.
I do not understand it.
Can not, do not, I have absolutely no clue what drives such fear and hatred.
I wonder if even they themselves know what it is.

96 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:45pm

re: #63 nyc redneck

does pamela think she would get a pass from bums like this?

They are singing about her.

97 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:53:47pm

re: #83 karmic_inquisitor

Trust me they will.

Ijzerwake 2009 coming up. Any Eurolizards want to cover it? [Is it just me or is that Flemish lion getting real evil looking?]

98 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:01pm
99 Scand39  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:02pm

To nitpick, Vlaams Belang isn't french, they're flemish, from the dutch part of Belgium. The song was in flemish, not in french.
There's plenty of things to blame the French for, but Vlaams Belang isn't one of them.

100 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:54:26pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

......who will be meeting with Obama soon.

Bambi meet Bunny?

101 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:56:08pm

ze heeft har getto verlaten om
she has her ghetto forsaken [for the purpose of]
levend verbrand te worden
living, burned up to become

And they singthis?!

102 dgax65  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:56:22pm

If Europeans expect to make any gains against the Muslim appeasers, they need to get idiots like this out of the picture. The appeasers only effective argument is that nationalists are just ignorant bigots. This type of disgusting behavior does nothing to fight that stereotype.

103 JustAGal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:56:39pm

How can they be chuckling when obviously asking for this to be sung? I must be so naive in my understanding of such evil. I know I cannot keep up with the comments, but it's so beyond disgusting; why don't more Americans see these things?

104 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:57:11pm

re: #87 WrathofG-d

when the Jews left Egypt, 3/4 got left behind.

How do you know that?
Never heard that...
/hi wrath

105 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:57:29pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

They have help. Don't forget the Jew hating bunny from Hamas?

Didnt the Jews kill the bunny

(and were they dressed like Elmer Fudd - Kill the wabbit kill the wabbit)

106 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:57:33pm

I'm sure they just need to be spoken to by our President and everything will be ok.

Dang GWB causing all this!
/

107 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:09pm

Paging Robert Spencer.

::chirp...chirp::

108 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:19pm

re: #96 Alouette

They are singing about her.

that's what i was thinking.
and she can't perceive the danger.

109 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:35pm

Ploome -check yer mail, 261

110 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:58:48pm

re: #104 HoosierHoops

How do I know that?

I was there. Ok, obviously not, but that is the teaching of the Jewish tradition which has been passed down from those that actually were there. Some were killed with the Egyptians, and others just stayed.

111 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:59:17pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

Ploome -check yer mail, 261

Hiya, toots! How's the recipe book coming along?

112 Soona'  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:59:23pm

re: #103 JustAGal

How can they be chuckling when obviously asking for this to be sung? I must be so naive in my understanding of such evil. I know I cannot keep up with the comments, but it's so beyond disgusting; why don't more Americans see these things?

This last Tuesday was an excellent example how much many Americans don't see.

113 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 3:59:38pm

re: #105 Eowyn2

Didnt the Jews kill the bunny

(and were they dressed like Elmer Fudd - Kill the wabbit kill the wabbit)

Did the big bad Jews kill the bunny or the mouse? It's hard to keep the players straight with out a scorecard?

114 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:06pm

Haar! Evening mates! A very productive day with some milestones met, and a major project coming online. Its interesting, 'me worst issues is getting purchasing to release money allocated. About every three months I walk over and sweet talk them into doing their jobs. Its not as bad as that, but I be finding that getting the money released is the key to getting projects completed on time!
And yes these two slimey bilge-rats (the topic of the thread) deserve everything coming to them! Glad to see everyone is off the gloom and doom OD syndrome!

115 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:21pm
116 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:00:35pm

Belgian senator leaves party post over anti-Semitic song
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It also made the Jerusalem Post.

117 JeremiahRight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:01:29pm

OT, from the last thread:

ASHEVILLE – A former city schools teacher filmed in a Swedish documentary talking about politics in the classroom is drawing fire from bloggers for “belittling” a student who supported Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Diantha Harris of Fayetteville teaches fifth grade in Cumberland County.
She left Asheville in 2004. Bloggers on Thursday had identified her as an Asheville teacher and said she “willingly browbeat and belittle a student in class for her choice of a presidential candidate,” according to Tundra Tabloids, a blog about Islamic extremism.
Harris, in an interview today with the Asheville Citizen-Times, said that’s not true.

A crew from Sweden’s public broadcasting company STV visited her classroom in May for the documentary “From Bill to Barack.”
The film aired Monday on Finland’s Swedish language Channel Five.
The part with Harris made its way on to YouTube and quickly became fodder for bloggers on Thursday.

the whole thing is here

118 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:01:48pm

re: #111 Miss Trixie

Hiya, toots! How's the recipe book coming along?

Hey, there Miss Trix!

I'm just waiting on FlakMusic to finish the pdf file so I can upload it to the publishing site. then we'll be ready to go!

I would send an e-mail, but apparently, even when I use bcc, e-mail addys are showing up and some folks prefer for their addresses to be kept private.

I'll put something up here, and I can probably find the time to send individual e-mails to everyone who participated.

119 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:01:54pm

re: #114 LoFlyer

Haar! Evening mates! A very productive day with some milestones met, and a major project coming online. Its interesting, 'me worst issues is getting purchasing to release money allocated. About every three months I walk over and sweet talk them into doing their jobs. Its not as bad as that, but I be finding that getting the money released is the key to getting projects completed on time!
And yes these two slimey bilge-rats (the topic of the thread) deserve everything coming to them! Glad to see everyone is off the gloom and doom OD syndrome!

I'm with you, ya scurvy son of a biscuit-box! :D

120 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:02:02pm

"calling pamela geller, calling pamela geller, racist antisemites on line one."

121 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:02:13pm

re: #99 Scand39

To nitpick, Vlaams Belang isn't french, they're flemish, from the dutch part of Belgium. The song was in flemish, not in french.
There's plenty of things to blame the French for, but Vlaams Belang isn't one of them.

Sorry but you are blazingly wrong. They are singing in French, the subscript is vlaandaren. The fat guy is from the Belgian/French neo nazi faction FN, the Flemish person is from VB.

122 eon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:02:45pm

Well, I'm off for tonight. Early morning tomorrow.

Good night, Lizards.

Keep the faith.

cheers

eon

123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:02:56pm
124 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:02pm

re: #116 Nevergiveup

Belgian senator leaves party post over anti-Semitic song
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It also made the Jerusalem Post.

They're only saying National Front. What about the VB?

125 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:24pm

re: #118 reine.de.tout

That's just fine, luv. I'll keep a lookout - can't wait to buy my very own copy ... :D

126 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:33pm

Robert Spencer had better do some soul-searching.

127 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:47pm

Europe has never given up the anti-semitism, not even for a day.

128 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:03:58pm

re: #100 WrathofG-d

......who will be meeting with Obama soon.

Bambi meet Bunny?

As a Catholic, I was infuriated when a friend told me about the nun across the street from her who was exceedingly pro-Obama, pro-Dem. I wonder how someone who supposedly holds the Catholic tenets so dear, can even think of voting for a pro-abortion platform. My friend asked her about this and she replied that she didn't want to take away a woman's "right to choose"

So now, I somewhat understand how very frustrating it must be for you and buzz and no sub when you see the Jews for Palestine people congregating.

129 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:04:49pm

re: #39 Alouette

Pam Geller denies Vlaams Belang are neo-nazi fascists (multiple linkies)

/I wonder if Pamela has made a video of herself, singing the song?

130 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:04:53pm

re: #117 JeremiahRight
Great! HOPE she gets fired.

131 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:06:38pm

re: #117 JeremiahRight

So she was formerly from Ashville and now is in Fayetteville.
Makes more sense that the school is near military bases.
I hope this gets plenty of publicity and the woman is smacked silly, bureaucratically speaking.

132 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:06:41pm

They were just making an audition tape for the next Borat movie.

133 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:06:56pm

If the Zero was any kind of President, he WOULD have a few *pre-conditions* for Hamas.

134 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:06:58pm

A generation ago, my Dad would have had his 105mm Howitzer pointed right at these Nazis, and fired it.

One of my favorite quotes: (I'm no doubt repeating myself)

Why must they keep them standing?

"There is an answer to the Dr.'s question, ...All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes—all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and to remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth."

- Rod Serling (1924 - 1975)
Source: "Death's-Head Revisited," episode of The Twilight Zone, 1961

135 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:10pm

Charles was right about these people all along. I hope some of the blogs who have supported them will now realize the error of their ways.

136 talon_262  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:34pm

re: #48 Render

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

See you in four years. I'm going dark, no more public commenting.

You can find me on the COD4 gaming servers - killing everything that moves.

AIN'T
ABOUT
YOU,
R

You getting Call of Duty: World at War, Render?

137 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:50pm

re: #131 wolfie

So she was formerly from Ashville and now is in Fayetteville.
Makes more sense that the school is near military bases.
I hope this gets plenty of publicity and the woman is smacked silly, bureaucratically speaking.

From the link:
She had not seen the documentary or the blogs until she was contacted by the Citizen-Times on Thursday.

It's going to be a mighty big wind at her back! LMAO!

138 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:07:53pm

GOOD EVENING LIZARDS.

"Obviously, the election of the first African-American president is a tremendous and truly inspiring moment, I think, in American political history," Harper said during a press conference following a meeting with economists and business leaders in Toronto.

"And I think all of us who are maybe a little bit older — I’m getting into that category — understand why that truly is when we see the changes that have occurred in their society and our society over the past couple of generations."

Harper also said he believes Obama, who has pledged to increase America's energy independence and security, will understand that the U.S. faces "major challenges" and that Canada remains "the major source of energy and the most secure source of energy."

We've got your back America!
139 talon_262  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:08:17pm

re: #126 astronmr20

Robert Spencer had better do some soul-searching.

You have to have a soul before you can search it...

/white smoke

140 Palandine  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:08:39pm

re: #80 Killian Bundy

Barney bites reporter

/he can smell Reuters, perfect

Barney protects his master well.

/hands out virtual Milk Bone

141 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:10pm

Do you think Atlas would care if someone showed her the link?

142 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:23pm

FN and VB like to pretend there is animosity between them but there truly isn't. They both share the same goals.

143 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:26pm

re: #128 Eowyn2

It is exceptionally frustrating. And to make things worse, when a Nun votes for a anti-Abortion candidate....the law stays the same.

When a Jew votes for an Anti-Jewish candidate, thought history that would result in our being murdered en masse.

This all reminds me of the story I heard from a friend last night about when he was a kid and how he caught his Reform "rabbi" eating bacon at a restaurant.

144 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:35pm

re: #135 twincitiesgirl

Charles was right about these people all along. I hope some of the blogs who have supported them will now realize the error of their ways.

Fat chance. They know what they're doing.

145 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:10:52pm

re: #135 twincitiesgirl

Charles was right about these people all along. I hope some of the blogs who have supported them will now realize the error of their ways.

I doubt big egos like pamela and robert will be able to admit Charles was right and they are wrong. They will find a way to excuse this because it's more palatable than eating crow- especially public eating of crow.

146 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:10pm
147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:10pm
148 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:20pm

re: #138 Spare O'Lake

I adore our Prime Minster - thanks for posting that, toots. :)

149 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:26pm

I saw some blonde haired white guy walking up the street dressed in a black jacket and jeans. The jacket was a collarless, top buttoned sort of black tweed. Had a badge pinned to it. He looked, for all money, just the way a neonazi facist bastard would dress. I couldnt make out the badge.

It crossed my mind that he could be from white supremist group.

Anyone got any pics of what these guys might wear as badges?

It would be extremely unusual to have a guy like this down here.

150 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:11:33pm

re: #141 Cato the Elder

Do you think Atlas would care if someone showed her the link?

She would rationalize it away, trust me people have shown her lots of links.

152 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:12:42pm

re: #119 Miss Trixie

I'm with you, ya scurvy son of a biscuit-box! :D

Thanks mate, It's been an emotional week and for me, a personally satisifying week, I am extremely impressed with the grace displayed by my black work-mates upon learning that McCain had conceded, they knew I voted and supported McCain and none gave me any grief over it. Thanks work-mates!

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:12:55pm

re: #146 ploome hineni

Howdy.

154 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:13:57pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

I doubt big egos like pamela and robert will be able to admit Charles was right and they are wrong. They will find a way to excuse this because it's more palatable than eating crow- especially public eating of crow.

Well they will look twice as stupid then. Their choice.

155 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:12pm

re: #152 LoFlyer

Excellent. *hug*

156 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:19pm

At least the party kicked them out...no?

157 Soona'  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:26pm

re: #138 Spare O'Lake

GOOD EVENING LIZARDS.

I just hope Obama does.

158 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:54pm

re: #128 Eowyn2

As a Catholic, I was infuriated when a friend told me about the nun across the street from her who was exceedingly pro-Obama, pro-Dem. I wonder how someone who supposedly holds the Catholic tenets so dear, can even think of voting for a pro-abortion platform. My friend asked her about this and she replied that she didn't want to take away a woman's "right to choose"

So now, I somewhat understand how very frustrating it must be for you and buzz and no sub when you see the Jews for Palestine people congregating.

OK, waitjustaminute - a num did not want to take away a woman's "right to choose"? Does this nun realize, you suppose, that "right to choose" does not ever seem to include the "right to choose" something other than abortion, as we saw with comments about Palin and Trig?

159 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:14:54pm

In a scorched earth world, we clearly didn't scorch the earth enough when liberating Europe.

160 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:04pm

re: #149 A Kiwi Infidel


Dont worry about badges, there are shitloads. This guy was out of placed. I will have to keep an eye out for him.

161 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:05pm

re: #156 WrathofG-d

At least the party kicked them out...no?

..because they got caught?

162 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:15pm

re: #129 NY Nana

/I wonder if Pamela has made a video of herself, singing the song?

Oh, you are so bad!

163 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:28pm

Anyone seen that scamp realwest this evening? :)

164 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:49pm
165 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:15:55pm
166 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:26pm

re: #151 WrathofG-d

btw: not all Jews walked themselves into the gas chambers.

Thanks Wrath--here is one of my heroes

167 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:43pm
168 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:49pm

re: #155 Miss Trixie

Excellent. *hug*

Haaar!

169 Abu Lahab  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:16:58pm

I found this great documentary on Vaalams Belang on YouTube, it's called "The Hidden Face of The Vlaams Belang". It's 8 parts. I really recommend watching, it's very informative.
Here is the first part
Maybe Charles have already posted about this, sorry if I didn't notice that.

170 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:17:42pm

re: #154 twincitiesgirl

Well they will look twice as stupid then. Their choice.

Either they will look ignorant of their own allies or they will begin to look as if they might agree with them. I would agree pamela is the former, with GoV, fjordy and robert being the latter.

171 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:17:50pm

re: #167 ploome hineni

gotta watch those nums

:P

Nums? LOLOLOLOLOL

I love the way you spell.

172 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:18:01pm

re: #163 Miss Trixie

Anyone seen that scamp realwest this evening? :)

Good evening miss Trixie..Haven't seen him yet..
Realwest Realwest
come out where ever you are

173 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:18:18pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Nums? LOLOLOLOLOL

I love the way you spell.

Oh, hell - that was me!

Laughing even more.

174 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:18:23pm

re: #166 puckish and beguiling

Thanks Wrath--here is one of my heroes

Try This

175 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:18:43pm

re: #159 Taqyia2Me

In a scorched earth world, we clearly didn't scorch the earth enough when liberating Europe.


Well, they did, but it just made room for the arabs.

176 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:19:19pm

re: #99 Scand39

To nitpick, Vlaams Belang isn't french, they're flemish, from the dutch part of Belgium. The song was in flemish, not in french.
There's plenty of things to blame the French for, but Vlaams Belang isn't one of them.

You're wrong. The song is in French, and I wrote "the Belgian neo-fascist parties."

Ma petite Juive est à Dachau.
Elle est dans la chaux vive.
Elle a quitté son ghetto, pour être brûlée vive.

177 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:19:29pm

Mates, I 'be trolling for Atlanta Lizards for the next meet on this Sunday, anyone interested, 'me nic is blue!

178 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:19:35pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

I have always wondered why there is a special "right to choose" only when it comes to Abortion. Why can a woman "choose" to kill the baby, but not herself, as suicide is illegal?

And let's be honest...with the ease of access to condoms, the pill, etc., by the time you are having an accidental pregnancy you probably have made about 4 really bad decisions to get there and thus most likely have forfeited any "rights to choose" you might have had. Times up, at that point....give that choice right to someone who might make a good one.

you know what I'm sayin?....

179 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:19:40pm

re: #174 Wishing

Try This

Thanks!
/PIMF

180 Abu Lahab  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:03pm

re: #145 Sharmuta
Have you seen this documentary, Sharmuta?

181 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:35pm

re: #8 Sunlight

Calling Powerline: Please don't defend any Vlaams Belang associated people for any reason...

What? Now Powerline's gone nutso?

182 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:20:43pm

re: #179 puckish and beguiling

Thanks!
/PIMF

YW!

183 JeremiahRight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:08pm

that teacher from the last thread, Diantha Harris, can be directly contacted via her school's website
HERE

184 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:14pm

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

I have increasing respect for those Jews who--in the camps--made sure that, during Sukkot, they managed to eat at least a kazayis of food a day in a sukkah they had built surreptitiously, and who managed to resist the edible food that the Nazis made sure to serve on Yom Kippur.

Not a resistance as flashy as that of the partisans, but absolutely awe-inspiring.

Absolutely awe-inspiring. Especially in light of how quickly Jews today give up on such Jewish ritual/commandments, when they are not faced with such harsh responses if they do them.

They couldn't take our souls, so they took our bodies for consolation!

185 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:19pm

re: #178 WrathofG-d

I have always wondered why there is a special "right to choose" only when it comes to Abortion. Why can a woman "choose" to kill the baby, but not herself, as suicide is illegal?

And let's be honest...with the ease of access to condoms, the pill, etc., by the time you are having an accidental pregnancy you probably have made about 4 really bad decisions to get there and thus most likely have forfeited any "rights to choose" you might have had. Times up, at that point....give that choice right to someone who might make a good one.

you know what I'm sayin?....

Yep, I know what you're saying.

186 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:21:33pm

re: #180 Abu Lahab

I remember Gambini making waves with it, yes. I think I'll watch it again, though. Thanks for reminding me and for those who may not have seen it before.

187 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:06pm

re: #174 Wishing

Try This


Read the book Mila 18 by Leon Uris when I was twenty. His books were a defining moment in my affinity for the Jewish struggle, that continues to this day, both my support and their struggle.

188 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:22pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

Either they will look ignorant of their own allies or they will begin to look as if they might agree with them. I would agree pamela is the former, with GoV, fjordy and robert being the latter.

I keep thinking they are in the mode of "it's not a big deal and the people we know in VB aren't like that." In some cases, I could see maintaining that view and the reaction here (including mine) as some sort of overreaction. However, having lived in Europe with the attitude shown in the video showing up when people feel safe among like minded people, and reading (later) about what actually went on there, I'm thinking that these people are more dangerous than the jihadis. Both are dangerous and the future may bring the jihadis up to par, but for now, the nazis are the kings of the deatheaters.

189 Claire  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:22pm

Hey Pam, GOV, the rest. You bought it, now own it.

"But this happened a long time ago, when I was only 38 years old! I thought they had been reformed......This is not a person who advises us, or who we share ideas with on a regular basis.......except for last spring and then it was only a beerhall and a blog entry and a video and a conference, and a song........................"
190 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:28pm

re: #181 Dar ul Harb

What? Now Powerline's gone nutso?

Yes they defended a VB politician named Bart Debbie. Bart used to be a cop and was convicted of beating and abusing ethnic minorities.

191 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:22:45pm

re: #135 twincitiesgirl

Charles was right about these people all along. I hope some of the blogs who have supported them will now realize the error of their ways.

They won't.

192 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:01pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

Personally, I'm not so sure about the ego thing (re: Spencer -- perhaps true of Pamela..) I think Spencer will not/cannot bring himself to break off from people he considers "friends." (I suspect that this is the problem...he is friends with these people. He also exonerates/clears himself by saying he's not an antisemite, etc. But there are, indeed, fairly obvious "problems"...it's just that he's blind to them/refuses to see it, etc....)

193 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:22pm

re: #175 A Kiwi Infidel

Well, they did, but it just made room for the arabs.

True dat, there is still much work to be done.

194 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:27pm

Obama has already started using a .gov domain for his own personal promotion?

195 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:23:46pm

An interesting observation (note the bells):

Rahm Emanuel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Born November 29, 1959 (age 48)
Chicago, Illinois
Religion Judaism DING DING DING

Rahm Israel Emanuel (born November 29, 1959) is an American-Israeli DING DING DING politician who has been a Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives since 2003, representing Illinois's 5th congressional district, which covers much of the north side of Chicago and parts of suburban Cook County.

...Rahm Emanuel (Hebrew: רם עמנואל‎) DING DING DING was born in Chicago, Illinois. His first name, Rahm, means "high" or "lofty" in Hebrew[8], while his last name, Emanuel, means "God is with us." His father, the Jerusalem-born Benjamin M. Emanuel DING DING DING, is a pediatrician and former member of the Irgun (Irgun Zeva'i Le'ummi) DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING, a militant Zionist group. His mother, Martha Smulevitz, worked as an X-ray technician and was the daughter of a local union organizer.[2] She became a civil rights activist; she was also once the owner of a Chicago-area rock and roll club.[9]

... When his family lived in Chicago, he attended Bernard Zell Anshe Emet Day School, a Jewish day school DING DING DING. After his family moved to Wilmette, he attended public school: Romona School, Wilmette Junior High School, and New Trier West High School.[10][11] He graduated from Sarah Lawrence College in 1981, and went on to receive a master's degree in Speech and Communication from Northwestern University in 1985. While still an undergraduate, he joined the congressional campaign of David Robinson of Chicago.[citation needed]

... His father, still practicing near Chicago, emigrated to the United States from Israel. DING DING DING Emanuel volunteered as a civilian volunteer in the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf War, serving in one of Israel's northern bases, rust-proofing brakes.[12 DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

Won't the Arab world now say Obama is a Jewish puppet?

196 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:05pm

re: #187 A Kiwi Infidel

Read the book Mila 18 by Leon Uris when I was twenty. His books were a defining moment in my affinity for the Jewish struggle, that continues to this day, both my support and their struggle.

For me it was The Chosen by Chaim Potok.
Now i can read Biblical Hebrew...Yes I was effected.

197 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:09pm

re: #165 ploome hineni

re: #166 puckish and beguiling

If you haven't already, you should read a book called "The Avengers". It is a very easy read, and quite inspiring.

Also, one thing I really enjoy about Abba Kovner, and Mordechai is how innocent, and simple they look. You too could be a Jewish hero if you take the action.

198 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:12pm

re: #181 Dar ul Harb

What? Now Powerline's gone nutso?

No. I don't think so. Please hold and I'll go over there to get the link...

199 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:29pm

Maybe Obama could create one of these?

//sarc

200 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:24:34pm

re: #184 WrathofG-d

Absolutely awe-inspiring. Especially in light of how quickly Jews today give up on such Jewish ritual/commandments, when they are not faced with such harsh responses if they do them.
They couldn't take our souls, so they took our bodies for consolation!

Jews are like eggs - the hotter the water the harder they get.

201 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:01pm

OT:

I just surrendered and downloaded FF 3 for XP. I resisted because I can't stand the overly fat dropdowns from the address bar. Well, sure enough, the dropdown is filled with sites that I haven't visited since literally the spring. I cleared all of my history but they still persist. How do I get rid of them.

202 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:33pm

re: #187 A Kiwi Infidel

Read the book Mila 18 by Leon Uris when I was twenty. His books were a defining moment in my affinity for the Jewish struggle, that continues to this day, both my support and their struggle.

Mate nearly everything he wrote had a Jewish connection somewhere. I wish I could find a copy of "Battle cry", the book defined what being a Marine was all about....

203 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:25:54pm
204 Palandine  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:26:20pm

re: #194 Dar ul Harbarian

Obama has already started using a .gov domain for his own personal promotion?

change.gov is horrifying, but at least he's honest about what he intends to do to your 2nd Amendment rights:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
*************
Buy guns and ammo NOW!

205 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:26:31pm
206 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:26:40pm

re: #201 neocon hippie

OT:

I just surrendered and downloaded FF 3 for XP. I resisted because I can't stand the overly fat dropdowns from the address bar. Well, sure enough, the dropdown is filled with sites that I haven't visited since literally the spring. I cleared all of my history but they still persist. How do I get rid of them.

Get a Mac. :-)

207 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #141 Cato the Elder

Probably not, and for anyone who was not here the night Atlas (Pamela) showed her true colors, and spit in her 'blog daddy's' (Charles) face, here it is.

208 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:01pm

re: #194 Dar ul Harbarian

Obama has already started using a .gov domain for his own personal promotion?

Haven't you heard rules are made to be broken? And so are Gulags for trouble makers. Get the drift?

209 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:23pm

OT:

Interesting clip of Chris Matthews admitting that he sees his job as helping Obama succeed Go to about 2 minutes in.

Total whore.

210 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:29pm

re: #195 erisldysnomia

An interesting observation (note the bells):
Won't the Arab world now say Obama is a Jewish puppet?

Yep, Obama is just a tool of the Zionist world domination conspiracy.

211 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:33pm

For those of you that think this would suddenly wake up pamela and robet, et al- I would go back and read the threads on VB from last year. Every imaginable excuse was used to justify aligning with VB- the main one being that there were no other options and the situation in europe was dire.

A year later and I guess the situation in europe is just as dire in their eyes. For me, the disturbing truth isn't that these bloggers are ignorant, it's that they're too cowardly to admit they agree with VB and their ilk. Well- except GoV- at least they finally admitted they were racists.

As time goes on, it will be come even more clear that there is little doubt intelligent people could also be so ignorant of VB's intentions. If it's not ignorance, then what explains the alliance?

212 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:27:54pm

re: #202 LoFlyer

Mate nearly everything he wrote had a Jewish connection somewhere. I wish I could find a copy of "Battle cry", the book defined what being a Marine was all about....


.......and it was part based in New Zealand, when the men were on furlough. It was sad parts but also side-splittingly hilarious in others. And everything he described in NZ was exactly as you would find it.

213 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:28pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

Yep, Obama is just a tool of the Zionist world domination conspiracy.

As we always knew.

But I'm serious. Won't the Arab world, and others not kindly predisposed to Jews, go nutso over this?

214 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:41pm

re: #192 J.S.

Personally, I'm not so sure about the ego thing (re: Spencer -- perhaps true of Pamela..) I think Spencer will not/cannot bring himself to break off from people he considers "friends." (I suspect that this is the problem...he is friends with these people. He also exonerates/clears himself by saying he's not an antisemite, etc. But there are, indeed, fairly obvious "problems"...it's just that he's blind to them/refuses to see it, etc....)

Nonsense! Who has been a better friend to him than Charles?

215 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:28:59pm

re: #201 neocon hippie

OK, I've figured that FF 3 displays my last twelve bookmarks in my address bar. How do I get rid of these?

216 jonathan1984  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:07pm

re: #201 neocon hippie

You can disable that bar if you want to.

[Link: www.pcmech.com...]

217 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:36pm

re: #191 Charles

They won't.

I lost a friend and mentor to the National Alliance. It's not fun to watch someone degrade themselves in that fashion.

218 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:38pm

OT, which I hate to do - I posted this on another thread that promptly died (maybe I ran everyone off, but literally, there were like 2 posts after I posted this). I need some techie help, if anyone can offer it.

I've always had this problem and just lived with it, but lately it's annoying me. If a thread gets a lot of comments - say more than 400 or so, sometimes even less - I can't get the comments to load. If I click on the comment count or the last comment or any of the many ways to get to the thread from the front page, if there's a large number of them, the page I get gives me everything except the actual comments. I get the article with the green box below it, telling me the # of comments and the rules; I even get the links that let me click to "hide comments" (tried that, doesn't work), and "jump to bottom" - clicking that takes me back to the LGF home page. That's where my page ends, nothing below those links.

What really sucks is, if I'm working on a thread and commenting on it, or just reading or whatever, everything will be fine until the comment count gets high - then, when I click "new comments" to refresh the page, it just resets the page with all the comments GONE, just the stuff at the top that I already mentioned (everything above "Hide comments" and "Jump to bottom" links). I even downloaded and use Safari, thinking that might help, as I've heard it's more robust....just wondering if anyone else has had this problem or has any suggestions? Just really bums me out, especially if I'm really into a thread, to have it suddenly ripped away because the comment count gets high - and if I see from the get go that a thread has a high comment count, I don't even bother clicking it, I know I can never see them!

219 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:29:52pm
220 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:30:00pm

John Cox on Day Two.

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]

221 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:30:00pm

This is very similar to the Johan Sauwens incident.

222 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:30:18pm

Vlaams Belang/Gates of Vienna support at Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

223 scion9  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:30:59pm

He was the president of the Party? That is simultaneously mindboggling, and somehow completely not shocking.

224 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:09pm

re: #209 3 wood

Screamed: FOX News is biased and owned by the Republican party! Shut it down!

/

225 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:13pm

re: #220 The Other Les

John Cox on Day Two.

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]


Kathy! Wash yo mout out, gewl!

226 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:13pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Yes they defended a VB politician named Bart Debbie. Bart used to be a cop and was convicted of beating and abusing ethnic minorities.

I sent them an email with about half a dozen links to LGF's search with the tag storm for all these entries. I told them they were getting played by Diana West. I hope they take the time to look into it more, because I honestly think they don't know what they're doing.

227 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:43pm

Hi Robert Spencer! How goes it today? How do you like your new friends? All peachy? Lovely, lovely.

Well then, Cheerio!

228 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:50pm

re: #216 jonathan1984

I got this page, not what's given on the page you shared:

[Link: kb.mozillazine.org...]

229 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:31:57pm

Diana West is also a supporter of Vlaams Belang, and has attacked me personally at her blog.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:01pm
231 Soona'  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:41pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

Yep, Obama is just a tool of the Zionist world domination conspiracy.

Psssst. Spread it around.

232 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:32:47pm

re: #222 Charles

Vlaams Belang/Gates of Vienna support at Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

I hope people will join me in contacting Powerline with this video and other LGF links to get through to the Powerline guys. If they persist in this I will be done with them.

233 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:10pm

re: #209 3 wood

OT:

Interesting clip of Chris Matthews admitting that he sees his job as helping Obama succeed Go to about 2 minutes in.

Total whore.


Unfortunately it is our job to support Obama as CINC. How about we form the loyal opposition and debate these guys on the issues before we implement. Obama is for change and so am I! Here's the change I am talking about. We eliminate the income tax and go to a flat tax where everyone pays their "fair share", rich, poor middle class, everyone! And we make huge savings in eliminating a bloated and ineffective IRS bureaucracy! Yaaar!

234 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:15pm

re: #94 Abu Lahab

I'm not sure that we will be in any position to help them this time around. We may be doing well just to be able to help ourselves, depending on how the Obama Administration performs. If Obama just does everything he's promised too (and refrains from doing everything he's promised to) we'll just be well and truly fucked by the end of the first four years.

If he doesn't, we will be well and truly fucked.

I've never seen an entire society vote to commit suicide before. We're not quite there. It's possible that the Republicans will be able to fight a good holding action for the next couple of years, but even that carries a high level of risk. There are things that the government needs to be doing that just aren't going to happen no matter what.

It's going to be a long four years.

235 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:19pm
236 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:26pm

Richard Miniter has also written several articles defending Vlaams Belang.

237 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:40pm

re: #209 3 wood

OT:

Interesting clip of Chris Matthews admitting that he sees his job as helping Obama succeed Go to about 2 minutes in.

Total whore.

He was only a whore before the elections..
Now he is a housemaiden

238 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:33:46pm

re: #222 Charles

Vlaams Belang/Gates of Vienna support at Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Excuse me while I remove a link.

239 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:22pm

re: #234 Iron Fist

Yeah- if the nazis make their move in the next four years, europe is in deep shit.

240 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:31pm

re: #212 A Kiwi Infidel

.......and it was part based in New Zealand, when the men were on furlough. It was sad parts but also side-splittingly hilarious in others. And everything he described in NZ was exactly as you would find it.


They have any network jobs fit for a pirate in NZ mate? I be interested!

241 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:37pm

UN headquarters targeted in new anti-smoking drive

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Personally I am against this, and I also think they should put back all the asbestos they can find back into the building. The UN and Carcinogens= Perfect together?

242 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #229 Charles

Diana West is also a supporter of Vlaams Belang, and has attacked me personally at her blog.

I don't read her. I read LGF, MichelleMalkin, Ace, and HotAir. Every other blog can go down the shitter, just not these four.

243 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Chris Mathews is a pie-faced Gramscian rent boy for Obama and his socialist agenda.

Listen.

There are those who say the much vaunted "power of the conservative bloggers" as in the 2004 election was disproven this election cycle.

I say, no it was not.

It was proven in that it forced the MSM's hand to go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY partisan and show their true hand.

The MSM by doing so has sown the seeds of its own dismemberment.

244 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:35:02pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Yes they defended a VB politician named Bart Debbie. Bart used to be a cop and was convicted of beating and abusing ethnic minorities.

Bart is also seen in the Gambini vid where they fight to lay wreaths on SS graves.

245 FightingBack  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:35:03pm
246 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:35:10pm

I think it's possible that Paul Mirengoff is not aware of what VB are really all about, by the way.

247 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:35:29pm

re: #197 WrathofG-d
I've read The Avengers. A very inspiring book. I also recommend, Defiance: The Bielski Partisans.

248 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:35:50pm

re: #235 ploome hineni

Sort of makes me feel like i've been wasting my life. Get up and do something already Wrath... ;)

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:07pm
250 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:34pm

re: #218 Lorenska

OT, which I hate to do - I posted this on another thread that promptly died (maybe I ran everyone off, but literally, there were like 2 posts after I posted this). I need some techie help, if anyone can offer it.

I've always had this problem and just lived with it, but lately it's annoying me. If a thread gets a lot of comments - say more than 400 or so, sometimes even less - I can't get the comments to load. If I click on the comment count or the last comment or any of the many ways to get to the thread from the front page, if there's a large number of them, the page I get gives me everything except the actual comments. I get the article with the green box below it, telling me the # of comments and the rules; I even get the links that let me click to "hide comments" (tried that, doesn't work), and "jump to bottom" - clicking that takes me back to the LGF home page. That's where my page ends, nothing below those links.

What really sucks is, if I'm working on a thread and commenting on it, or just reading or whatever, everything will be fine until the comment count gets high - then, when I click "new comments" to refresh the page, it just resets the page with all the comments GONE, just the stuff at the top that I already mentioned (everything above "Hide comments" and "Jump to bottom" links). I even downloaded and use Safari, thinking that might help, as I've heard it's more robust....just wondering if anyone else has had this problem or has any suggestions? Just really bums me out, especially if I'm really into a thread, to have it suddenly ripped away because the comment count gets high - and if I see from the get go that a thread has a high comment count, I don't even bother clicking it, I know I can never see them!


What is your network connection and speed mate? DSL, cable modem or dial up?

251 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:44pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

He was only a whore before the elections..
Now he is a housemaiden

I'd say he is now a concubine.

252 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:36:53pm

re: #233 LoFlyer

Unfortunately it is our job to support Obama as CINC. How about we form the loyal opposition and debate these guys on the issues before we implement. Obama is for change and so am I! Here's the change I am talking about. We eliminate the income tax and go to a flat tax where everyone pays their "fair share", rich, poor middle class, everyone! And we make huge savings in eliminating a bloated and ineffective IRS bureaucracy! Yaaar!

Obama would respond that you have a very odd definition of "fair share."

Let me correct it for you:

Fair share = people who actually work for a living pay people who do not.

253 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:14pm

re: #246 Charles

I think it's possible that Paul Mirengoff is not aware of what VB are really all about, by the way.

I think so- I think they need to be made aware. I tried once, but I'm not sure if it was even read. If they were to get flooded with email about this though, perhaps they'd look into it. I'm willing to wait and see yet, because I don't think they know they're getting played by people like ms. west.

254 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:19pm

re: #192 J.S.

We're having to make choices about our friends in all this. It sucks, but it is nevertheless what is happening. I like and respect a number of people involved on the other side of this equasion, but I can't go down the path they have chosen.

255 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:21pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

I suspect his "friends" (perhaps relatives as well?) pre-date Charles...(I also suspect that Spencer is far too deeply enmired in hatred of Islam to cut himself off from these "friends" abroad, etc.)

256 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:37:44pm

re: #204 Palandine

Buy guns and ammo NOW!

I pick up my permit to purchase tomorrow.........

257 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:38:00pm
258 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:38:39pm

re: #216 jonathan1984

Well, it worked this time, although not just exactly perfectly. There is still one stray entry that I can't seem to get rid of.

Thanks!

259 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:38:45pm

re: #251 The Other Les

I'd say he is now a concubine.

Head cheerleader?
Mistress
the other woman
....
:)

260 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:06pm

re: #255 J.S.

I suspect his "friends" (perhaps relatives as well?) pre-date Charles...(I also suspect that Spencer is far too deeply enmired in hatred of Islam to cut himself off from these "friends" abroad, etc.)

That's why I said he was part of the latter.

261 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:20pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Head cheerleader?
Mistress
the other woman
....
:)

Handmaid

262 Palandine  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:45pm

re: #256 IslandLibertarian

Buy guns and ammo NOW!

I pick up my permit to purchase tomorrow.........

I'm driving 220 miles to a gun show tomorrow and am hoping they've got a good selection. That "repeal of the Tiahart Amendment" thing means that all sorts of government agencies would then get to see what guns you own. It's none of their business.

263 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:59pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Head cheerleader?
Mistress
the other woman
....
:)

Whatever.

264 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:39:59pm

re: #260 Sharmuta

part of the latter what (?), if I may ask ... (also, what's Powerline?)

265 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:15pm

re: #261 Dar ul Harbarian

Handmaid

a modern newsman?

266 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:35pm
267 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:41pm

re: #256 IslandLibertarian

Buy guns and ammo NOW!

I pick up my permit to purchase tomorrow.........

I await my FOID card and have a couple dear friends who will then get me to a reputable merchant who will then follow the laws and allow me to purchase what I need to defend, if necessary, my very humble abode.

268 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:46pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

a modern newsman?


...of Barak

269 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #199 erisldysnomia

Maybe Obama could create one of these?

//sarc

Maybe he IS one of these?

270 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:40:56pm

re: #233 LoFlyer

Gun control is non-negotiable. IMHO, we have too many gun control laws on the books. All attempts at compromise have just been delaying tactics. They always come back for more. We are at the limit (really beyond the limit) of compromise.

Obama claimed that he wasn't going to come for the guns during this election. We'll see how that works out.

IMHO, it'll be one of the first items on his agenda.

271 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:03pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Chris Mathews is a pie-faced Gramscian rent boy for Obama and his socialist agenda.

I couldn't say it better so I won't.

272 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:04pm

re: #252 erisldysnomia

Obama would respond that you have a very odd definition of "fair share."

Let me correct it for you:

Fair share = people who actually work for a living pay people who do not.

Arrrr, a pirates view of fair share is fair share for all. We all take the risks equally and share in dividends equally. Obama would make a lousy pirate, mates!

273 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:25pm

re: #222 Charles

Vlaams Belang/Gates of Vienna support at Powerline:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

TY. I got a phone call...

274 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:41:39pm

re: #170 Sharmuta

Either they will look ignorant of their own allies or they will begin to look as if they might agree with them. I would agree pamela is the former, with GoV, fjordy and robert being the latter.

JS- part of the latter.

275 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:30pm

re: #247 NoSubmission

I've read The Avengers. A very inspiring book. I also recommend, Defiance: The Bielski Partisans.

That is a good book. I have a lesson on resistance on the USHMM website :)

276 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:32pm

re: #251 The Other Les

Chrissy Matthews is the Gimp from Pulp Fiction. Eeeewwwww.

277 abolitionist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:35pm

re: #134 Yankee Division Son

I watched that episode ("Death's-Head Revisited") a couple months ago -- excellent.

278 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:42:48pm
279 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:00pm

re: #245 FightingBack

re: #247 NoSubmission

I'll just have to read those right after I go buy and finish "The Revolt"

280 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:11pm

re: #220 The Other Les

John Cox on Day Two.

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]

I miss Cox & Forkum.

281 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:12pm

re: #266 buzzsawmonkey

The Soviet Union controlled access to typewriters.

282 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:21pm

re: #275 puckish and beguiling

That is a good book. I have a lesson on resistance on the USHMM website :)

hit send too soon--just there is a lot of very interesting info out there on resistance yet I would say most people think that Jews went like sheep to slaughter.

283 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:43:57pm

re: #194 Dar ul Harbarian

Obama has already started using a .gov domain for his own personal promotion?

The man is the President Elect. Utilizing a dot.gov domain is a non-issue IMO.

284 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:03pm

re: #262 Palandine

I'm driving 220 miles to a gun show tomorrow and am hoping they've got a good selection. That "repeal of the Tiahart Amendment" thing means that all sorts of government agencies would then get to see what guns you own. It's none of their business.


Haar! Just been waiting for a post to hang this off. HK vs. M-16 surf and turf Contest Its an impressive video...

285 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:18pm

{Hoosier} Evening, luv. New avatar ... :D

286 FightingBack  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:21pm

re: #257 ploome hineni

Yes.

287 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:24pm

re: #278 ploome hineni

#255 J.S.


Spencer is not "far too deeply enmired in hatred of Islam ". You are really way out of line. And if Robert Sencer has been wrong about VB then keep telling him and talking to him..

It is silly to throw Robert and a long relationship under the bus.

No, it's not. I won't have anything to do with him. He's behaving despicably.

288 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:44:40pm

re: #280 Alouette

You can say that again. I wish that I had had the money to purchase one of their originals. They were very, very good at what they were doing.

289 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:04pm
290 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:04pm

re: #283 unrealizedviewpoint

The man is the President Elect. Utilizing a dot.gov domain is a non-issue IMO.

The point is that he may be using it to collect addresses for a campaign database.

291 Soona'  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:08pm

re: #267 Taqyia2Me

I await my FOID card and have a couple dear friends who will then get me to a reputable merchant who will then follow the laws and allow me to purchase what I need to defend, if necessary, my very humble abode.

Where do you live?

292 puckish and beguiling  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:45:39pm

The Husband is trying to help a friend buy his first rifle and they are not in stock in the gun shops around here--everything is sold out and ammo too. Everyone is afraid of what O will do.

293 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:02pm
Thank you for contacting Robert Spencer!
A copy of your email has been sent to you.

Don't know if it will do much good, but I encourage everybody to contact Spencer.

294 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:11pm

re: #277 abolitionist

I watched that episode ("Death's-Head Revisited") a couple months ago -- excellent.

I agree, I've seen it a few times. I loved the quote from Serling himself on camera smoking his cigarette at the end of this one, he had a way with words like none other.

295 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:15pm

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

Well, I still have a couple of typewriters lying around. I know how to silkscreen, how to make block prints, and I can cut a mimeo stencil if I have to and it comes to that.

I have to say, your many talents constantly amaze me.

296 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:33pm

re: #285 Miss Trixie

{Hoosier} Evening, luv. New avatar ... :D

{trixie}
Good to see you girl..
It's finally starting to get cold here..
hope today finds you well..

297 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:46pm

re: #274 Sharmuta

As in forming an alliance with the ultra-far-right parties in Europe due to a shared "understanding"? basically, fascistic, in private, to the core (but on the surface, with that false, deceptive public face of attempting to appear merely "right wing" and "harmless?" yeah...)

298 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:48pm

re: #293 HelloDare

It will do zero good- he knows what he's doing.

299 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:46:53pm
300 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:47:52pm

re: #299 buzzsawmonkey

Sadly, earning a comfortable living has never been one of them. Maybe next year.

Do you think that's possible in an 0bama administration?

301 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:47:59pm

re: #266 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, it occurs to me, regarding the First Amendment, the looming Fairness Doctrine, etc., that it is time--long past time--to stop letting the mainstream media keep wrapping themselves in the mantle of being "THE press."

The First Amendment covers free speech, and freedom of the press; it doesn't cover broadcast media directly only because they didn't then exist, but in effect it was saying, in terms of the technology of the time, that no form of communication should be restricted.

That means that any Fairness Doctrine should be unconstitutional on its face; any restrictions on websites and blogs also. We are all proprietors of a free press today, if we have a computer and a printer; we are all at least potentially journalists, as zombie for one, and Charles for another, constantly demonstrate. It was, I believe, AJ Liebling who famously said, "Freedom of the press belongs to he who owns one." We all own one now.

We should be prepared to argue for the fullest press freedom, as a nation of journalists and free-speakers.

Or argue that the "Fairness Doctrine" NEEDS TO APPLY TO ALL MEDIA, INCLUDING NEWSPAPERS.

I believe a referendum or lawsuit to that effect would be interesting.

302 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:22pm
303 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:25pm

re: #254 Iron Fist

We're having to make choices about our friends in all this. It sucks, but it is nevertheless what is happening. I like and respect a number of people involved on the other side of this equasion, but I can't go down the path they have chosen.

It always results in a total loss of credibility with nothing to show for it. During the Jewish resistance to the British in Palestine, Abrham Stern, leader of the Stern Gang, according to Paul Johnson (Modern Times), "had become a fascist and Anglophobe at Florence University, and later tried to get Nazi finance for his organization through Vichy Syria." It must pain Johnson to mention this becuase he has profound respect for Jews and Israel. Even worse, little detours like this make the history books, and are endlessly recycled at neo-Nazi hate sites, to the the detriment of everyone.

It never pays to sleep with dogs. There will always be fleas, no exceptions.

304 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:33pm

re: #293 HelloDare

Thank you for contacting Robert Spencer!
A copy of your email has been sent to you.

Right, that's the message that appears after you use the contact script that I wrote for him.

He burned his last bridge with me.

305 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:39pm

Las Vegas Sands Plunges on Default, Bankruptcy Risk

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Will the Government be bailing them out also?

306 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:48:41pm

re: #301 erisldysnomia

Or argue that the "Fairness Doctrine" NEEDS TO APPLY TO ALL MEDIA, INCLUDING NEWSPAPERS.

I believe a referendum or lawsuit to that effect would be interesting.

Why doesn't the "Fairness Doctrine" apply to NPR?

307 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:49:02pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

It will do zero good- he knows what he's doing.

People often does things in the shadows that they will not do in broad daylight.

308 edr  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:49:50pm

Hmmmm.

Utterly vile.

309 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:49:54pm

re: #299 buzzsawmonkey

Sadly, earning a comfortable living has never been one of them. Maybe next year.

Try running Jay Leno's staff..I hear it pays real well..
You amaze me also

310 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:50:06pm

re: #307 HelloDare

In broad daylight robert if attacking Charles, linking LGF stalker blogs on jihad watch. You tell me what's so shadowy about that.

311 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:50:17pm

re: #246 Charles

I think it's possible that Paul Mirengoff is not aware of what VB are really all about, by the way.

That's what I'm thinking. Or like I said before, because some of the VB people have worked to remove the identified nazis, maybe they think it isn't a big deal. But that seems like playing with fire... if you hang out in Europe and learn enough of whatever the local language is, you'll hear it. It's creepy. But maybe the Powerline guys haven't done that so they think what they see on the surface (or what their trusted colleagues tell them) is how it really is.

312 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:50:32pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

Er- robert is, not if. PIMF.

313 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:50:45pm

The Internet: Giving Morons A Global Voice Since Al Gore Invented It!
(excluding Wrath, of course)

314 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:50:50pm

re: #304 Charles

Right, that's the message that appears after you use the contact script that I wrote for him.

He burned his last bridge with me.

I hope you obfuscated your code.

315 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:11pm
316 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:44pm

re: #311 Sunlight

Please contact Powerline and try to enlighten them. I've already done so, but maybe if they had more than one email about it they'll do the required research.

317 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:51:54pm

re: #304 Charles

I understand. I just don't want him to think that his actions are going unnoticed.

318 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:03pm

re: #301 erisldysnomia

Or argue that the "Fairness Doctrine" NEEDS TO APPLY TO ALL MEDIA, INCLUDING NEWSPAPERS.

I believe a referendum or lawsuit to that effect would be interesting.

I am sure the ACLU or one of the gitmo lawyers would take the pro-bono mate!
/

319 Elcid  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:06pm

If one swings that way ("NOT that there is anything wrong with that", thank you Seinfeld.

One of these bozo's is built for speed, the other comfort. Give 'em fake beards, put God damn robes on 'em and 'chute their asses in to Saudiland. They'll love it.

Then one can hear and believe, the term..."What Assholes".

320 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:40pm

re: #250 LoFlyer

What is your network connection and speed mate? DSL, cable modem or dial up?

I'm on wireless broadband at 100 Mbps (that's what my connection info says anyway) .... I have very very basic techie skills, that's about it, but I cannot for the life of me figure this one out. Thought when I downloaded Safari that it was fixed, but found I was wrong once a fairly large thread appeared and I lost the comments again.

321 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:58pm

re: #290 Dar ul Harbarian

The point is that he may be using it to collect addresses for a campaign database.

huh? You're kidding right.

322 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:52:58pm

re: #304 Charles

Right, that's the message that appears after you use the contact script that I wrote for him.

He burned his last bridge with me.

YIKES! =O

323 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:53:47pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

I've been worried about a resurgent nazi party in Europe for a while. It is an understandable reaction to the Islamic problem. The problem is that once you let that genie out of the bottle there's no going back.

It'll eat you up.

There are better answers, but it doesn't look like anyone in Europe is interested. We used to have a couple of posters from France, Mr. Pol and Caton. I learned a lot about the European situation from them. None of which was particularly encouraging, but at least I got a better understanding of the society that was Europe. It looks like it all is circling the drain.

324 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:53:59pm

Teacher Does Strip Tease for Students

[Link: www.ktla.com...]

And my parents actually paid to send me to private school?

325 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:53:59pm

re: #305 Nevergiveup

Las Vegas Sands Plunges on Default, Bankruptcy Risk

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Will the Government be bailing them out also?


Dunno, sounds like a gamble.

326 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:54:34pm

re: #315 buzzsawmonkey

Oh goodie, its the LGF lawyer hour.

As I have stated before, the underlying principle of the Fairness Doctrine was the finite stations on a radio wave. This is why it didn't apply to Newspapers, Internet, etc. The purpose of the Fairness Doctrine was ensure the most voices were heard on a finite medium. With Newspapers this could be cured by simply making more newspaper companies, but with Radio you were stuck with the limited radio wave/band. However, since the creation of digital radio, this core principle no longer applies. Digital radio is practically infinite and thus you can just open up more radio stations on the digital bands.

Case closed.

327 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:54:49pm

re: #320 Lorenska

I'm on wireless broadband at 100 Mbps (that's what my connection info says anyway) .... I have very very basic techie skills, that's about it, but I cannot for the life of me figure this one out. Thought when I downloaded Safari that it was fixed, but found I was wrong once a fairly large thread appeared and I lost the comments again.

Are you using something like Norton Internet Utilities? That's been known to cause problems. It's also possible you're running out of RAM.

328 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:14pm

Well waddaya know... it's on YouTube

329 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:55:14pm

re: #315 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting suggestion.

For the moment, I just want us all to realize that we are all, potentially, Joseph Pulitzer or William Randolph Hearst--or at least Benjamin Franklin, with his smaller but still most influential press.

How about a referendum or ballot at the state level (akin to Prop 8) towards such ends - to force any "Fairness Doctrine" to apply to print media and any electronic media as well (radio, television, smoke signals)

330 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:57:11pm

re: #292 puckish and beguiling

We have a gun show this weekend. I've got no money, but I'll go just to try and get a gauge of what's happening in this area. I'd say that I'll see the same thing that's happening everywhere.

Obama has a lot of people scared. And you can count me as one of them.

331 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:57:32pm

re: #320 Lorenska

I'm on wireless broadband at 100 Mbps (that's what my connection info says anyway) .... I have very very basic techie skills, that's about it, but I cannot for the life of me figure this one out. Thought when I downloaded Safari that it was fixed, but found I was wrong once a fairly large thread appeared and I lost the comments again.

Mate here is a link to Speakeasy web site and perform a internet speed check. Click on the server located nearest to you and report the upload and download speeds.

332 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:57:35pm
333 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:57:52pm

re: #326 WrathofG-d

Oh goodie, its the LGF lawyer hour.

As I have stated before, the underlying principle of the Fairness Doctrine was the finite stations on a radio wave. This is why it didn't apply to Newspapers, Internet, etc. The purpose of the Fairness Doctrine was ensure the most voices were heard on a finite medium. With Newspapers this could be cured by simply making more newspaper companies, but with Radio you were stuck with the limited radio wave/band. However, since the creation of digital radio, this core principle no longer applies. Digital radio is practically infinite and thus you can just open up more radio stations on the digital bands.

Case closed.

A state ballot CALLING FOR a "fairness doctrine" that includes print media would still be interesting.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and just think of all the disaffected conservatives who would sign up.

334 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:58:20pm

re: #330 Iron Fist

Obama has a lot of people scared. And you can count me as one of them.

Didn't scare enough people, apparently.

335 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:58:38pm

re: #323 Iron Fist

A couple weeks ago I was out with some republicans friends and one liberal (he's young, he'll get over it). The subject of europe came up, and I went off for about twenty minutes straight. I think they were all taken aback that I would know that much about european politics, because they sure as hell don't. To the liberal kid I explained that fascism isn't just the slur that lefties toss out- there is an actual meaning and political context for the term and gave him a few books to read to learn more about it. He said he would read up on it more. Bottom line- I told them war was likely in europe- they just didn't learn last time. Pains me to say that.

336 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:58:42pm
337 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:59:01pm

re: #334 Tigger2005

Some people have to learn the hard way.

338 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 4:59:02pm

re: #334 Tigger2005

Didn't scare enough people, apparently.

I had to ding ya up on that one.

339 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:00pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Obama's "change" site says that they want to expand hate crime laws;

Do you see an indication that 'hate speech' is included in this expansion? I am concerned about ministers, priests and rabbis being bullied into walking the PC line under fear of being sued. This is what ACORN tried to do to the poor pastor at the church which was my polling station on Tuesday.

340 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:00:51pm

re: #336 buzzsawmonkey

See Wrath's explanation of the Fairness Doctrine at #326 above.

And remember that under federal pre-emption laws, a state level proposition, no matter what it said, would fall before a federal statute or regulation.

Ok. Now I'm talking about a NEW state proposition, say, in Calif. as an example, that calls for fairness in print media. There's nothing at the federal level in that regard one way or other, is there?

341 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:13pm
342 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:47pm

Unreal.

Question for anyone out there.

When this was all brought to light back some time ago, I remember thinking about the dichotomy this posed for people like Pamela, etc.

One of the aspects in this web of a relationship, was how could she give these groups a pass, especially given their open proximity to David Duke, his hatred for Israel, and Jewish folk, and especially his attending the Holocaust conference in Tehran. She claims to be pro Israel, but this is only 3 degrees of separation, etc.

I have not read Eurabia yet, but it is on my list, as well as many others.

Obviously, being here, and the dearth of in-depth conversation here, does anyone think these groups in Europe are breaking their hate down along the lines of the Sunni / Shia divide like in the middle east?

Sorry for the long post, but this something that has been on my mind as of late.

343 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:48pm

re: #306 Alouette

Why doesn't the "Fairness Doctrine" apply to NPR?

Better yet, why do we have NPR at all? Why must I support their propaganda with my tax money? They don't have to pay a dime for conservative talk radio.

But I might as well ask why I am forced to subsidize ACORN, PParenthood, and all kinds of left-wing organizations.
It's just the way it is.

344 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:50pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't searched it exhaustively yet.

Is it hate speech to say to someone that you don't love them?

345 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:01:52pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't searched it exhaustively yet.

WHAT'S THE HOLD UP ? ?

346 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:02:00pm

re: #314 Globular Cluster

I hope you obfuscated your code.

Now, don't insult Charles like that. He's all about optimization.

347 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:02:06pm
348 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:02:45pm
349 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:18pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Canada's anti-hate laws were extended to include the Internet after 2001(this was -- ironically? -- the result of the implementation of a Canadian version of the U.S. Patriot Act...now the Internet in Canada is subject to anti-hate legislation...One crazoid was put in jail -- his wife weeping quietly in the courtroom, when her husband was sentenced by the judge -- the "hatemonger" was subject to some bizarro fantasies -- really sounded delusional, complete with UFOs, conspiracies, etc., iirc he was set to jail for several months.)

350 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:24pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey

I can't shut up here, for one.

lawyers

talk talk talk
yada yada yada

What the heck am I paying you for ? ? ?


oh wait

351 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:31pm

re: #291 Soona'

Where do you live?

Central Illinois

352 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:33pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

I won't be surprised when all non-liberal-accepted Conservative thought is considered "hate speech". Obama would be just the guy to do it too. With the political climate the way it was during the election, who is going to stick their neck out and tell a Black president what is, or is not hate speech? I suggest anyone wanting to know what will be considered "hate speech" in the future, go have a long political talk with a Liberal in LA or NY, and actually listen to what they say. You're allowed to bend a bit to the right, but anything past their accepted point is not "a different opinion" but instead "racist", "homophobic", "hate", etc. see below.

re: #333 erisldysnomia

no. By doing so you give credence to widening the purpose. That move would backfire eventually, as non-liberal-accepted Conservative speech would just be considered Hate Speech, and you'd get center-left as Conservative, and Way left as Liberal.

353 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:03:39pm

Any more comment on my #195?

I can see the headline in Arab News:

"Obama appoints Chief of Staff, is now a puppet of the Zionazis"

354 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:04:31pm

re: #327 Charles

Are you using something like Norton Internet Utilities? That's been known to cause problems. It's also possible you're running out of RAM.

Hm, yea, actually I am using Norton. My RAM should be OK, but I will certainly check it and do a clean up and some basic maintenance to see if that helps....if it doesn't, and Norton turns out to be my problem, do you have a suggestion as to how to solve that one? A better one to use? I don't mean to bug you with this stuff, as if you don't have enough to do - I just hate it when there's a really juicy thread that I'm all wrapped up in and suddenly all the lizards leave me! Thanks so much for everyone's help.

355 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:05:03pm

re: #353 erisldysnomia

Any more comment on my #195?

I can see the headline in Arab News:

"Obama appoints Chief of Staff, is now a puppet of the Zionazis"

More accurately, Obama appoints a Chief of Staff, and is now and forever a puppet of the Daley Machine.

356 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:05:04pm

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

I know; and it sucks. I was really looking forward to Legal Marijuana in California too.

357 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:05:29pm

re: #320 Lorenska

I'm on wireless broadband at 100 Mbps (that's what my connection info says anyway) .... I have very very basic techie skills, that's about it, but I cannot for the life of me figure this one out. Thought when I downloaded Safari that it was fixed, but found I was wrong once a fairly large thread appeared and I lost the comments again.

If you have a virus scanner try turning it off and loading a long thread to see if it goes away.

358 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:05:49pm

re: #352 WrathofG-d

I won't be surprised when all non-liberal-accepted Conservative thought is considered "hate speech". Obama would be just the guy to do it too. With the political climate the way it was during the election, who is going to stick their neck out and tell a Black president what is, or is not hate speech? I suggest anyone wanting to know what will be considered "hate speech" in the future, go have a long political talk with a Liberal in LA or NY, and actually listen to what they say. You're allowed to bend a bit to the right, but anything past their accepted point is not "a different opinion" but instead "racist", "homophobic", "hate", etc. see below.

See what the universities attempt to understand this as well.

We may need a "TheFire.org" like group that goes national.

359 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:06:00pm

re: #342 formercorpsman

Europe has centuries of history that have always broken down to blood and soil.

360 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:06:05pm
361 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:06:56pm

Laura Ingraham defending Sarah Palin now on O'Reilly.

362 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:00pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey

I can't shut up here, for one.

I'd be the first one voted off survivor..
/The Hoopster won't shut up! please make him stop!
I'm a cross between Borat and the old guy on 60 minutes..
You ever notice how a black frame TV makes the picture sharper?
That dude..

363 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:03pm

re: #354 Lorenska

Are you looking for a different firewall?

364 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:26pm

re: #342 formercorpsman

Unreal.

Question for anyone out there.

When this was all brought to light back some time ago, I remember thinking about the dichotomy this posed for people like Pamela, etc.

One of the aspects in this web of a relationship, was how could she give these groups a pass, especially given their open proximity to David Duke, his hatred for Israel, and Jewish folk, and especially his attending the Holocaust conference in Tehran. She claims to be pro Israel, but this is only 3 degrees of separation, etc.

I have not read Eurabia yet, but it is on my list, as well as many others.

Obviously, being here, and the dearth of in-depth conversation here, does anyone think these groups in Europe are breaking their hate down along the lines of the Sunni / Shia divide like in the middle east?

Sorry for the long post, but this something that has been on my mind as of late.

Mate, Europe is far behind America in regards to racism and anti-semitism. America's ability to assimilate is second to none! Give them a taste of freedom and the good-life is strong motivation for immigrants!

365 kingkenrod  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:31pm

re: #283 unrealizedviewpoint

The man is the President Elect. Utilizing a dot.gov domain is a non-issue IMO.

There's nothing wrong with using .gov to promote the executive agenda, whatever that is. President Bush does it.

However, change.gov's content make it clear this is a website for promoting Obama-Biden, and the content is copyrighted by a 501(c), which is by definition not a government organization.

366 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:32pm

re: #352 WrathofG-d

To continue the point: When you propose to create a governmental power, would you want your worst enemy to exercise that power on you?

367 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:07:40pm

re: #340 erisldysnomia

Won't fly because print media doesn't use a licensed, regulated public resource like the airwaves.

368 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:00pm

re: #355 mama winger

More accurately, Obama appoints a Chief of Staff, and is now and forever a puppet of the Daley Machine.

I think he already was, but the Jewish Chief of Staff has to be raising some eyebrows in some corners of the planet.

And in the far insane moonbat division of the U.S. corner as well.

369 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:23pm

{mama winger} TOOTS! Happy to see you here.

New avatar you might find funny ...

:D

370 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:08:53pm

re: #367 Thanos

Won't fly because print media doesn't use a licensed, regulated public resource like the airwaves.

Is there any such restriction when it's a ballot petition?

371 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:03pm

re: #368 erisldysnomia

I think he already was, but the Jewish Chief of Staff has to be raising some eyebrows in some corners of the planet.

And in the far insane moonbat division of the U.S. corner as well.

Emmanuel was in the IDF.

372 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:05pm

re: #369 Miss Trixie

{mama winger} TOOTS! Happy to see you here.

New avatar you might find funny ...

:D

LOL HAHAHAHAHA !

look at those two - how funny!

373 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:07pm

re: #354 Lorenska

Hm, yea, actually I am using Norton.

Ah ha! Try disabling Norton and see if the problem goes away. I've had good results with Trend Micro Internet Security, but there are lots of choices. Maybe someone more familiar with Windows can suggest something.

374 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:15pm

re: #354 Lorenska

Shoot Norton internet Utilities...
/just in the leg..
No uninstall it and see what happens..plus you are wireless..
Some modems are just junk..

375 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:36pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

In broad daylight robert if attacking Charles, linking LGF stalker blogs on jihad watch. You tell me what's so shadowy about that.

We know it's going on. But we, unfortunately, are a small universe. Do we know how much flak he's caught? Where does his audience come from? How many people who read Jihad Watch know what's going on with Vlaams Belang? How many people who read his blog know what LGF is? Better to light one candle send one email than to curse the darkness Robert Spencer in the privacy of your own home. At least for me.

376 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:37pm

re: #371 Ward Cleaver

Emmanuel was in the IDF.

Don't give him a pass just because of that. The man is dangerous.

377 talon_262  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:09:44pm

re: #326 WrathofG-d

Oh goodie, its the LGF lawyer hour.

As I have stated before, the underlying principle of the Fairness Doctrine was the finite stations on a radio wave. This is why it didn't apply to Newspapers, Internet, etc. The purpose of the Fairness Doctrine was ensure the most voices were heard on a finite medium. With Newspapers this could be cured by simply making more newspaper companies, but with Radio you were stuck with the limited radio wave/band. However, since the creation of digital radio, this core principle no longer applies. Digital radio is practically infinite and thus you can just open up more radio stations on the digital bands.

Case closed.

We know that there was at least some technological reason for the original Fairness Doctrine and that it doesn't really make good sense to try it again. However, I doubt that will stop Obama, Reid, and Pelosi from trying to institute it once more, not because of technological reasons, but for purely political ones in order to put a millstone around the broadcast media the left doesn't control...talk radio.

378 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:08pm

re: #371 Ward Cleaver

Emmanuel was in the IDF.

That's what the Wiki entry says, although I wasn't sure if it was referring to him (the new Chief of Staff) or to his father.

379 Palandine  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:16pm

re: #351 Taqyia2Me

Central Illinois

Ouch. You've got bad gun laws. Shotgun is your friend.

/Palandine waves from the state to the west

380 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:25pm

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Pot in every chicken!

Ya MON! Hear da voice ov da peopals mon! H'S rastafari!

381 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:28pm

re: #378 erisldysnomia

That's what the Wiki entry says, although I wasn't sure if it was referring to him (the new Chief of Staff) or to his father.

I actually think it was his father.

382 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:38pm
383 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:52pm

You remember the AP story "Everything is seemingly spinning out of control?"

I'm beginning to wonder.

The suckitude factor of this timeline continues to increase.

384 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:10:55pm

re: #370 erisldysnomia

It would be flatly unconstitutional.

385 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:07pm

re: #329 erisldysnomia

I don't want any "fairness" doctrine. The potential for abuse is so great that it is almost a 100% certainty. I don't like the bias that we have seen so glaringly in this Presidential campaign, but the market, not government, should bring about change.

It may take a little longer, but the safty of it is worth the increased time.

386 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:07pm

re: #369 Miss Trixie

{mama winger} TOOTS! Happy to see you here.

New avatar you might find funny ...

:D

LOL

387 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:09pm

Rahm himself was a ballet dancer.

388 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:11:55pm

re: #377 talon_262

Yea, but this should be one situation where the SCOTUS should work for us, as the law is on our side.

389 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:12:00pm

re: #376 mama winger

Don't give him a pass just because of that. The man is dangerous.

I'm sure not giving him a pass.

I'm saying that the moonbats and Judenhoss countries are likely to go ape shit bonkers, no?

390 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:12:23pm

re: #373 Charles

Ah ha! Try disabling Norton and see if the problem goes away. I've had good results with Trend Micro Internet Security, but there are lots of choices. Maybe someone more familiar with Windows can suggest something.

Try F-Secure, they have a year subscription for three pc's at 80 bucks and they are good. I use them and have zero problems with long threads.

391 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:12:31pm

re: #359 Sharmuta

I know I'm not the best at times for trying to get my point across, so I'll take another stab at it.

I remember a couple months back, perhaps it was a spin-off link, on how (IIRC, it was Vlamms) were against any attempt at limiting Iran's pursuit of nuclear ambition.

Obviously, the middle east has some heavy division, and major regional power plays going on, as it relates to players becoming prominent in the region, hence my Sunni versus Shia description.

Does anyone think these Nazi groups in Europe, (with regard to their anti-islamic positions, are following in similar fashion?) are being loyal to Iran, but hate the Sauds, etc?

392 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:05pm

re: #385 Iron Fist

I don't want any "fairness" doctrine. The potential for abuse is so great that it is almost a 100% certainty. I don't like the bias that we have seen so glaringly in this Presidential campaign, but the market, not government, should bring about change.

It may take a little longer, but the safty of it is worth the increased time.

I agree, but in my role as Instigator of the Internet, I float many different ideas.

393 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:12pm

re: #375 HelloDare

We know it's going on. But we, unfortunately, are a small universe. Do we know how much flak he's caught?

I know how much hatred he's directed at me. Does that count?

Better to light one candle send one email than to curse the darkness Robert Spencer in the privacy of your own home. At least for me.

I've exchanged numerous emails with Robert Spencer on this subject, starting last year when this first blew up.

Good luck with that.

394 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:32pm
395 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:13:35pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

I am staying hopeful (*ding) that this choice (*ding) actually evidences a change (*ding) in Barack's position on the middle east peace (*ding) process, but I fear that it will instead of a N.K. affect of using a Jew to give credence to the audacity (*ding) of Anti-Israel positions.

396 Pete-billy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:01pm

where can i find avatar for my account? any ideas?

397 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:02pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

I think the "hate speech" direction is the one they will take.
Until such time as they can replace a couple of constructionists on the SCOTUS, this will have to be piecemeal and extralegal.

In due course I expect the US to follow Europe and Canada down the muzzling path of "human rights commissions" and the like. As Ginsburg has said, "enlightened world opinion" is a far better guide to justice than the Constitution.

398 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:13pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

Does anyone think these Nazi groups in Europe, (with regard to their anti-islamic positions, are following in similar fashion?) are being loyal to Iran, but hate the Sauds, etc?

No, I assume the reason is that they want Iran to destroy Israel like they've been promising to do.

399 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:13pm

re: #331 LoFlyer

Mate here is a link to Speakeasy web site and perform a internet speed check. Click on the server located nearest to you and report the upload and download speeds.

Cool, thanks! I clicked on the LA server, closest to me, and it says:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 695 kbps (86.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 545 kbps (68.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Totally clueless - is that good? Bad? Should I hide under my desk in shame? I live in the total boonies and wireless is my only option, but it's slllooooowww a lot. Charles also gave me some other ideas I'm looking into - I'll take any and all suggestions, thanks for your help! :)

400 DocDublU  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:23pm

Sorry to go OT, but Iowahawk's latest should not be missed

Election Analysis: America Can Take Pride In This Historic, Inspirational Disaster

So for now, let's put politics aside and celebrate this historic milestone. In his famous speech at the Lincoln Memorial 45 years ago, Dr. King said "I have a dream that one day my children will live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Let us now take pride that Tuesday we Americans proved that neither thing matters anymore.

[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

401 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:25pm

I know Rahm Emmanuel is very anti gun rights.

402 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:14:26pm

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

Well, I still have a couple of typewriters lying around. I know how to silkscreen, how to make block prints, and I can cut a mimeo stencil if I have to and it comes to that.

In a way, we are akin to the pamphleteers of old who worked to earn our independence.

403 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:15:13pm

re: #398 Dar ul Harb

Good, now you understand what I am driving at.

404 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:03pm

re: #394 buzzsawmonkey

That's no reason for us to make a leap of faith.

I'm sure you mean he's a little light on his toes ... :P

/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we go again! :D

405 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:05pm

re: #376 mama winger

Don't give him a pass just because of that. The man is dangerous.

His father was also in the Irgun. None of this may mean anything, since the guy is Chief of Staff, not SecState or SecDef.

406 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:07pm

re: #377 talon_262

We know that there was at least some technological reason for the original Fairness Doctrine and that it doesn't really make good sense to try it again. However, I doubt that will stop Obama, Reid, and Pelosi from trying to institute it once more, not because of technological reasons, but for purely political ones in order to put a millstone around the broadcast media the left doesn't control...talk radio.

Hey, if what's his face tried to make the absolutely positively asinine, idiotic, grade-school-logic-error case that because the gubbmint could control porno on the air, it could control political speech (i.e., since we can say you are not allowed to yell "FIRE" in a theater, we can also tell you what you can say about the movie), anything is possible.

After all, up is down, right is left, and peace is war.

407 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:12pm

re: #339 mama winger

If it's Right it's hate. If it's Left, it's protected free speech. See, that's not hard to figure out.

(I'm against all "hate speech" laws)

408 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:17pm

re: #396 Pete-billy

step one: think of something you like.
step two: put that idea into a search engine and search it + images.
step three: follow LGF instructions till it works.
Step five: thank Wrath.
Step six: think about if you would alternatively like to do the same search with + avatar, instead.

409 itellu3times  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:45pm

re: #401 mama winger

I know Rahm Emmanuel is very anti gun rights.

Good, he can tell his secret service detail to disarm.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:16:46pm
411 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:03pm

re: #396 Pete-billy

where can i find avatar for my account? any ideas?

Find a jpeg photo you like and run it through one of these to get to the required size:

[Link: www.google.com...]

412 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:03pm

re: #326 WrathofG-d

Oh goodie, its the LGF lawyer hour.

As I have stated before, the underlying principle of the Fairness Doctrine was the finite stations on a radio wave. This is why it didn't apply to Newspapers, Internet, etc. The purpose of the Fairness Doctrine was ensure the most voices were heard on a finite medium. With Newspapers this could be cured by simply making more newspaper companies, but with Radio you were stuck with the limited radio wave/band. However, since the creation of digital radio, this core principle no longer applies. Digital radio is practically infinite and thus you can just open up more radio stations on the digital bands.

Case closed.

But why should the Fairness Doctrine apply to so-called "right-wing" radio only and not also require NPR to broadcast an hour of conservative commentary for every hour of liberal commentary?

413 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:16pm

re: #400 DocDublU

Yes, I know there are probably other African-Americans much better qualified and prepared for the presidency. Much, much better qualified. Hundreds, easily, if not thousands, and without any troubling ties to radical lunatics and Chicago mobsters. Gary Coleman comes to mind


ahahahahahahaha !

414 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:30pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

Choosing the Jewish Rahm Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff is just the first step in Obama's Happy Meal administration; "Would you like me to circumcise that for you?"


Can't I just finish my kreplach?

415 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:30pm

re: #405 Globular Cluster

His father was also in the Irgun. None of this may mean anything, since the guy is Chief of Staff, not SecState or SecDef.

BUT WHAT ARE THE ARABS gonna say about a JOOOOOOOOOOISH and kinds ISRAEL-LINKED KINDA GUY as Chief of Staff to Obama?

416 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:35pm

re: #385 Iron Fist

I don't want any "fairness" doctrine. The potential for abuse is so great that it is almost a 100% certainty. I don't like the bias that we have seen so glaringly in this Presidential campaign, but the market, not government, should bring about change.

It may take a little longer, but the safty of it is worth the increased time.

what they're talking about is trying "local content" rules rather than the old fairness doctrine. You'd have some lefty activist deciding if your stations programming was serving the public good of the community yadda yadda - sort of a Henry Georgian Participatory Economics approach to the same end: killing the large syndicators through censorship by unelected local bureaucrats

417 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:17:57pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

Choosing the Jewish Rahm Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff is just the first step in Obama's Happy Meal administration; "Would you like me to circumcise that for you?"

You're crackin' me up!

418 FightingBack  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:19pm

re: #406 erisldysnomia

You are not allowed to falselyshout Fire.

419 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:24pm

re: #405 Globular Cluster

His father was also in the Irgun. None of this may mean anything, since the guy is Chief of Staff, not SecState or SecDef.

I read somewhere today that it is a good cop/bad cop to run the White House staff..pretty smart really..

420 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:30pm

re: #412 Alouette

As to NPR, it would.

But the problem is: who decides what is "conservative" speech, and Liberal speech?

421 scion9  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:36pm

re: #266 buzzsawmonkey


The First Amendment covers free speech, and freedom of the press; it doesn't cover broadcast media directly only because they didn't then exist, but in effect it was saying, in terms of the technology of the time, that no form of communication should be restricted.

That means that any Fairness Doctrine should be unconstitutional on its face; any restrictions on websites and blogs also. We are all proprietors of a free press today, if we have a computer and a printer; we are all at least potentially journalists, as zombie for one, and Charles for another, constantly demonstrate. It was, I believe, AJ Liebling who famously said, "Freedom of the press belongs to he who owns one." We all own one now.

The Fairness Doctrine would be implemented by the FCC, which oversees what is broadcast on public airwaves. That is how radia and broadcast TV is regulated. There is a similar push for censoring the Internet because part of the physical topology incorporates government owned networks. The telecomm companies have pushed back hard, and some companies like Intel have made their own pushes at 'owning the band'. So far, the Internet remains free.

However, you are right. Free speech is being challenged. The FCC has been challenged before and found to be constitutional, as it only applies to publicly funded means of transmition. The popular right-wing radio shows could move to XM if they wanted to, rather than deal with the FCC. That is what Howard Stern did. However, XM has a sizable start-up cost. People like Rush, who are getting paid a quarter of a billion dollar contracts aren't really in danger of being silenced, as the juggernauts won't likely be dipping into negatives in terms of ad revunue.

The issue being that the smaller market hosts don't have that luxury, and new shows will never have a chance to gather an audience as they just won't be tried out. They can go XM like Stern, but they are going to probably be tied to some advocacy group or PAC, as the startup costs for XM aren't inconsiderable, and content will likewise be controlled by special interests rather than the FCC.

422 talon_262  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:38pm

re: #373 Charles

Ah ha! Try disabling Norton and see if the problem goes away. I've had good results with Trend Micro Internet Security, but there are lots of choices. Maybe someone more familiar with Windows can suggest something.

NOD32 is very good...light on system resources, but top-notch protection. I run it on my machines at home and highly recommend it.

423 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:38pm

re: #375 HelloDare

We know it's going on. But we, unfortunately, are a small universe. Do we know how much flak he's caught? Where does his audience come from? How many people who read Jihad Watch know what's going on with Vlaams Belang? How many people who read his blog know what LGF is? Better to light one candle send one email than to curse the darkness Robert Spencer in the privacy of your own home. At least for me.

His audience comes from sites like GoV. Frankly- I've had people tell me they don't read the comments at jihad watch because they're so vile. I tried commenting there for a day or two and gave up because many of those folks are rabid. And considering robert openly attacked Charles and LGF on his site, jihad watch readers who didn't know about LGF do now. They are free to take robert's word for it, if they want, or research it themselves. I also think that given time- hanging with fascists and their apologists will be it's own poison. I hope robert enjoys his fleas.

424 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:51pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I used to be rather indifferent to the Second Amendment--and, to the extent I wasn't, I tended to be more anti-gun than not.

I have learned better here, though I have not yet joined the ranks of gun owners.

Now is a very good time to correct that flaw, buzz. (not a personal flaw, just a personal defense flaw)

425 Pete-billy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:52pm

re: #408 WrathofG-d

thank you Wrath !

426 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:18:55pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I have not yet joined the ranks of gun owners.


AGAIN WITH THE HOLD UP!

quit yammering and go buy a Glock !

427 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:20pm

I can;t understand why liberals do not see how important the 2nd Amendment.

I do believe Obama is looking much mor ecenter than almost any one here predicted and that he will not sell Israel down the river. Here are his first calls:

Obama spoke today to Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, South Korean President Lee Myung Bak and U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama's office said.

428 Throbert McGee  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:24pm

I just posted a link to this on Discarded Lies, though I expect the thread will either go unread by the regulars because it's under my disgraced name, or that evariste will spin, spin, spin this as being completely unrepresentative of VB as a whole.

429 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:41pm

This is a repost of a comment on a peice by Rick Moran on Rahm Emanuel at PJM:

Obama is the hireling of Daley, although the younger Daley is himself not the independent force his father was. If the University of Chicago's Departments of Anthropology and Sociology were not busy selling the reputations they inherited off in campaigns to promote this nonentity and tear down the memory of Milton Freidman then they could do the world some good explicating the links between psychopathic Marxists such as Ayers and Dohrn, the rentier children of Industrial Age plutocrats such as Pritzker and Crown (and Ayers again, he is a twofer) and religious profiteers from the poverty pimp and bigotry industries such as Pflegler and Wright and Jackson, corrupt representatives of foreign money and immigrant muscle, such as Rezco and unscrupulous but ambitious Ward heelers such as Blagojevich and Emanuel, in keeping the Cook County Democratic Party machine rolling.

430 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:41pm

re: #399 Lorenska

Cool, thanks! I clicked on the LA server, closest to me, and it says:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 695 kbps (86.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 545 kbps (68.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Totally clueless - is that good? Bad? Should I hide under my desk in shame? I live in the total boonies and wireless is my only option, but it's slllooooowww a lot. Charles also gave me some other ideas I'm looking into - I'll take any and all suggestions, thanks for your help! :)

It's only fair. Basic DSL is 1,500 kbps and you are running at half of that. try it a couple of more times and tell me what the average is and who your service provider is and what your Internet services and speeds are advertised.

431 thebronze  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:42pm

But what would Pamela Gellar say?

432 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:19:53pm
433 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:20:11pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I am not a gun owner either.

My opinion has always been, I am not afraid of folks who do it legally, and follow the law.

Gun crime, the vast majority of the time, is by those who never respected gun laws to begin with.

I am very seriously thinking of becoming a legal gun owner though.

434 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:20:11pm

re: #413 mama winger

ahahahahahahaha !

Hey, *** if ***Obama didn't have ties to Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, the Chicago Mob, etc., didn't bypass credit card security checks, and was not a far left socialist, I might have considered voting for him.

Yes that's a lot of if's!

If a picture paints a thousand words...then why can't I paint you? The words will never show ...the you I've come to know....

435 itellu3times  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:20:12pm

Hey, I just logged in to say, look at the friggin' stock market, down 5% a day two days in a row, and y'know what? Given the crazed charts of the last 90 days, it doesn't really mean a thing, all it's done is fallen to the midline in the bollinger bands.

Still, we've been waiting for a retest of the 8000 level, and expect to fall below it at least intraday, and hey, could happen any time now. And that doesn't even count in the Obamanation factors, nor an Iranian nuke (either pitched or caught), or anything of the sort.

At least gasoline is getting cheap.

436 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:20:18pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

Every Jew should own a Gestapo response device.

If anything, we should have learned to at least be prepared.

437 onslow  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:20:46pm

re: #305 Nevergiveup

Thanks for posting the article. If LVS doesn't bust, it might worth a punt.

438 itellu3times  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:15pm

Yeah, I think I need a new avatar for the obamanation. Something dark and evil, with rainbows.

439 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:36pm

re: #352 WrathofG-d

Yes, the guardians of Righteous Thought do let you bend a little bit to the right, but the goalposts keep moving.

440 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:41pm

re: #428 Throbert McGee

I just posted a link to this on Discarded Lies, though I expect the thread will either go unread by the regulars because it's under my disgraced name, or that evariste will spin, spin, spin this as being completely unrepresentative of VB as a whole.

Bad link?

441 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:21:48pm
442 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:22:01pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

They're nazis. Who did the nazis ally with last time?

443 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:22:33pm

re: #426 mama winger

AGAIN WITH THE HOLD UP!

quit yammering and go buy a Glock !

or even a M1911

444 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:22:34pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I used to be rather indifferent to the Second Amendment--and, to the extent I wasn't, I tended to be more anti-gun than not.

I have learned better here, though I have not yet joined the ranks of gun owners.

I'd say relax and take your time to get used to the idea, but that doesn't appear to be an option now.

445 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:22:41pm

re: #436 WrathofG-d

Every Jew should own a Gestapo response device.

If anything, we should have learned to at least be prepared.

You don't need that wrath...
I and many others will always have your back.

446 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:22:50pm

pete billy

Had a tough time picking out an avatar for your and searched hillbillies just for fun. Here's what I came up with.

:P

447 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:07pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

Choosing the Jewish Rahm Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff is just the first step in Obama's Happy Meal administration; "Would you like me to circumcise that for you?"

That would be the least of our problems. A "Happy Meal" administration we can live with.

448 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:18pm

re: #438 itellu3times

Yeah, I think I need a new avatar for the obamanation. Something dark and evil, with rainbows.

Check out images on this google search:

Apophis SG-1

449 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:23:26pm

Charles,

I just forwarded to you Robert Spencer's reply to my email. I think you'll find it interesting.

450 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:07pm

re: #443 erisldysnomia

or even a M1911

CZ is cheaper and just as accurate and reliable.

451 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:18pm

re: #395 WrathofG-d

I am staying hopeful (*ding) that this choice (*ding) actually evidences a change (*ding) in Barack's position on the middle east peace (*ding) process, but I fear that it will instead of a N.K. affect of using a Jew to give credence to the audacity (*ding) of Anti-Israel positions.

As someone familiar with Chicago politics, I am certain that his appointment this has nothing to do with Rahm Emanuels ethnicity. It has everything to do with the fact that he is a rabid attack dog of the left. He makes the Late Lee Atwater look like Fred Rogers.

He is sending a loud and clear message to his base that he will do everything he can to destroy the right. He is extending a middle finger to the 56 million who voted for McCain.

It has nothing to do with Israel.

452 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:20pm

My wife, born and raised in the Soviet Union would like to go OT about THE ONE. Eowyn2 on the last thread quoted something from Obama's Department of Change; "Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start."

Honey, it's all yours!

Ok, guys, I've seen this before, I've been a part of it before, I've participated in this s**t before! The name of that "before" was Soviet school and summer work (letnyaya otrabotka). During our summer vacation (precious short Ural summer) we had to work for a month for the "good of our school and our society". At 8 am we had to be there and free children labor began - cleaning the territory around school, washing desks, walls, etc., in classrooms. Once they were expecting a supervisor from the school district and the school yard didn't look good, so they gave us regular paper scissors to cut the grass around the school. Also they sent us on kolkhoz, basically working for farmers cutting herbs. Luckily I only had to do this for one summer because my parents were sending me to Pioneer camp.

And it's not just this one thing that looks like a replica of the Soviet Union, the whole campaign, the methods he used to brain wash people, the songs on utube that the kids were singing about Obama were almost literal translations of songs from the 1930's-1950's about Tovarisch Stalin and Dedushka (Grandpa) Lenin. It looks like nightmare deja vu! His supporters look the same way as the Russian people looked in the time of Stalin, how they adored him. I can't believe that history taught them nothing. What else can you expect from the what kids are taught, or not taught, today in American schools. I fear that my 4th grade daughter can repeat bad part of my childhood in Soviet schools here in "free" America. So, welcome to the USSA! My congratualtions to the 62,000,000 +/- who voted for Tovarisch Barack!

/rant off

453 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:27pm

re: #433 formercorpsman

I am not a gun owner either.

My opinion has always been, I am not afraid of folks who do it legally, and follow the law.

Gun crime, the vast majority of the time, is by those who never respected gun laws to begin with.

I am very seriously thinking of becoming a legal gun owner though.

I will be filling out my pistol permit application shortly. It is a 6-10 month process here.

455 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:33pm

re: #414 NoSubmission

Can't I just finish my kreplach?

Enjoy! ;)

After you finish eating, read this....then again....

456 LittleGreenFavre  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:35pm

re: #94 Abu Lahab

These are their real faces, nothing shocking. The real shock is that some bloggers defend and rationalize their association with these sugar-coated Nazis. No one is benefiting from such alliance as Islamic extremists since the anti-Jihad movement is endangering its reputation with such allies.
If/when sanity wins, these bloggers should issue an apology for every word that was written smearing LGF and Charles's attitude on European fascists.
Europe is really doomed without the USA. They first commit terrible mistakes, and then try to fix them by committing other mistakes, and when all that gets too complicated to fix: America! HELP US!

The little problem now is that America won't be helping this time.

NO SOUP FOR YOU! NEXT!

457 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:42pm
458 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:24:45pm

re: #439 wolfie

I was listening to a local news program about Yes on Prop 8 passing. The guardians of society stated it as "California is not quite ready for Gay Marriage yet, as Prop 8 has passed."

Sly, but quite obvious what is between the lines here.

459 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:16pm

re: #451 3 wood

As someone familiar with Chicago politics, I am certain that his appointment this has nothing to do with Rahm Emanuels ethnicity. It has everything to do with the fact that he is a rabid attack dog of the left. He makes the Late Lee Atwater look like Fred Rogers.

He is sending a loud and clear message to his base that he will do everything he can to destroy the right. He is extending a middle finger to the 56 million who voted for McCain.

It has nothing to do with Israel.

What HE said.

460 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:39pm

re: #445 HoosierHoops

I appreciate that, and I believe you.

But still, every Jew should own at least one gun, and know how to use it.

461 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:39pm

re: #412 Alouette

But why should the Fairness Doctrine apply to so-called "right-wing" radio only and not also require NPR to broadcast an hour of conservative commentary for every hour of liberal commentary?

Because they will get to define what "fair" speech is.

462 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:47pm

re: #449 HelloDare

That's why I wrote "good luck with that" above.

463 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:25:59pm

re: #440 Wishing

Bad link?

You might say so...

464 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:18pm

re: #451 3 wood

As someone familiar with Chicago politics, I am certain that his appointment this has nothing to do with Rahm Emanuels ethnicity. It has everything to do with the fact that he is a rabid attack dog of the left. He makes the Late Lee Atwater look like Fred Rogers.

He is sending a loud and clear message to his base that he will do everything he can to destroy the right. He is extending a middle finger to the 56 million who voted for McCain.

It has nothing to do with Israel.

I know, I know I know

But what will the Arabs think?

465 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:24pm

re: #204 Palandine

They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

That will make it easier for the Civilian Corps to suppress dissent.

466 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:41pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

Are you looking for a different firewall?

Oh, see, now you're speaking to me as if I'm somehow technically savvy - silly you! I'm not sure what I'm looking for....Charles said Norton might be causing me problems...I'm assuming that Norton serves some kind of purpose in my life (such as virus scanning and such, that much I know), so I guess my question was, if Norton is bad, is there something different I can use to serve the same purpose without causing me these headaches. I'm just a mom using a PC in my home office, and I'm actually the technical one in the house....I'm not even sure I have a firewall! (I hope Charles doesn't block users who are technical idiots, I hid it as long as I could....)

467 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:45pm

re: #452 Caliredst8r

Everyone should read this and give you a thousand updings. Thank you for that post.

468 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:26:46pm

Sheesh, I just took a quick peek at the blogroll over there.

Hope all the lizards are doing well as not as depressed over the election as I am.

469 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:06pm

re: #448 erisldysnomia

Check out images on this google search:

Apophis SG-1

SG-1 is one of my favorite shows. I watch it off and on and am on about season 5. Lucky for me there are about 10 seasons plus spin offs. Apophis would be interesting for the avatar.

470 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:25pm

re: #442 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I know that.

Bosnian SS, Arafat's uncle, etc.

I'll try again.

Do you think the Nazi groups are taking sides on the players in fighting each other in the middle east?

471 Globular Cluster  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:27pm

re: #452 Caliredst8r

My wife, born and raised in the Soviet Union would like to go OT about THE ONE. Eowyn2 on the last thread quoted something from Obama's Department of Change; "Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start."

Honey, it's all yours!

Ok, guys, I've seen this before, I've been a part of it before, I've participated in this s**t before! The name of that "before" was Soviet school and summer work (letnyaya otrabotka). During our summer vacation (precious short Ural summer) we had to work for a month for the "good of our school and our society". At 8 am we had to be there and free children labor began - cleaning the territory around school, washing desks, walls, etc., in classrooms. Once they were expecting a supervisor from the school district and the school yard didn't look good, so they gave us regular paper scissors to cut the grass around the school. Also they sent us on kolkhoz, basically working for farmers cutting herbs. Luckily I only had to do this for one summer because my parents were sending me to Pioneer camp.

And it's not just this one thing that looks like a replica of the Soviet Union, the whole campaign, the methods he used to brain wash people, the songs on utube that the kids were singing about Obama were almost literal translations of songs from the 1930's-1950's about Tovarisch Stalin and Dedushka (Grandpa) Lenin. It looks like nightmare deja vu! His supporters look the same way as the Russian people looked in the time of Stalin, how they adored him. I can't believe that history taught them nothing. What else can you expect from the what kids are taught, or not taught, today in American schools. I fear that my 4th grade daughter can repeat bad part of my childhood in Soviet schools here in "free" America. So, welcome to the USSA! My congratualtions to the 62,000,000 +/- who voted for Tovarisch Barack!

/rant off

MachoSauce, on youtube, prefers A.S.S., American Socialist States. Good post. Whenever politicians give people a "tingle" down their leg, I get nervous. Politicians can't save us, only we can save ourselves. All hail Caesar, our charismatic leader.

472 Throbert McGee  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:38pm

re: #440 Wishing

I just posted a link to this on Discarded Lies, though I expect the thread will either go unread by the regulars because it's under my disgraced name, or that evariste will spin, spin, spin this as being completely unrepresentative of VB as a whole.


Bad link?

No, not a bad link; the thread I posted has been deleted.

473 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:27:44pm

re: #431 thebronze

But what would Pamela Gellar say?

"They can't be nazis because they support Israel."

474 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:05pm

re: #460 WrathofG-d

I appreciate that, and I believe you.

But still, every Jew should own at least one gun, and know how to use it.

Every Christian too. Because we will be right next to you, fighting with you and defending you, as well as ourselves.

I for one will not let you down.

475 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:36pm

re: #450 Wishing

CZ is cheaper and just as accurate and reliable.

yes! but do not get the cz-97 45 cal. it is not the same über-reliable 75 design. it's sort of over engineered and full of parts and stuff.

476 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:38pm

re: #464 erisldysnomia

I know, I know I know

But what will the Arabs think?

They will think about hopping a plane to the west for the booze, the girls, and the gambling like always.

477 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:28:49pm

re: #452 Caliredst8r

Thank you for that rant, thank you for getting to the keyboard to tell us what you experienced.
Thank you, and may you have a long and successful and FREE life here in America!

478 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:01pm

re: #470 formercorpsman

Sharmuta, I know that.

Bosnian SS, Arafat's uncle, etc.

I'll try again.

Do you think the Nazi groups are taking sides on the players in fighting each other in the middle east?

The Eurofascists will do anything they have to do to gain legitimacy. You cannot trust a single thing they do or say.

479 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:02pm

re: #466 Lorenska

You want something that will protect you from viruses and malware, yes?

If so, I would look at ZoneAlarm, or better yet, Comodo.

480 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:16pm

re: #474 mama winger

Thank you.

With G-d's blessing, we won't have to find out though.

481 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:27pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

If you get nothing else, get an AK-47. I prefer the milled receiver to the stamped one. They are fun to shoot, have a minimal recoil, and are amazingly reliable. I've only ever seen one failure to feed on an AK, and that was with a drum magazine that hadn't been wound properly. And I've seen thousands of rounds ran through almost all the basic manufacturers.

I'd get one now, though, if I were you. They went up in value astronomically when the first "assault weapons" ban went through. the industry figured out loopholes in that law to let them import guns that were basically semi-auto variants of the real thing, just with deliberately cumbersome stocks and, in some cases, the ability to only load limited capacity magazines.

482 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:27pm

First hand account from the Soviet Union at post number 452. Please read.

483 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:43pm

re: #469 Sunlight

SG-1 is one of my favorite shows. I watch it off and on and am on about season 5. Lucky for me there are about 10 seasons plus spin offs. Apophis would be interesting for the avatar.

You have a LOT MORE viewing pleasure ahead of you. Trust me on that. Also get Atlantis.

484 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:29:56pm
485 Steffan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:03pm

Don't lose heart.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

486 lennysquiggy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:04pm

What a great week. We suffered a Marxist revolution without a shot fired and now this.

A rift between Charles and Spencer. I feel like I'm watching Santa Claus hunt the Easter Bunny.

487 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #483 erisldysnomia

You have a LOT MORE viewing pleasure ahead of you. Trust me on that. Also get Atlantis.

And the movies as well.

488 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:30pm

re: #455 NY Nana

Enjoy! ;)
After you finish eating, read this....then again....

My gosh he's got such a creepy look about him.
His brother is Ari Emmanuel? Didn't know that.

I was waiting for someone to pick up on kreplach! LOL Not only is it a delicious sweet treat, but it so much fun to say. Kreplach!

489 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:31pm

re: #482 mama winger

Not only read it but put it in my favorites.

490 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:30:50pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

I used to be rather indifferent to the Second Amendment--and, to the extent I wasn't, I tended to be more anti-gun than not.

I have learned better here, though I have not yet joined the ranks of gun owners.

I'm almost definitely going to before January 20. I'll have to save up some cash. And yes I know ... buy lots of ammo.

491 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:02pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

Pamela apparently does not understand that they "support" Israel on the "Juden raus!" theory; make sure the damn kikes have a place we can kick them out to.

Old-school fascists: "All Jews to Palestine!"
New-style fascists: "All Jews out of Occupied Palestine!"

492 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:02pm

Obama putting together a "happy meal" administration that would be a little too liberal for our tastes would be just fine with me too, given the alternative of him being what he was in his political adolescence.

I stand by my prediction that it is the Kossaks who will be livid when they realize that now that Obama is president he actually wants to lead America like an adult rather than in the same oppositional style he used to get to the head of the grownups table.

I also feel that Obama's presidency means the end of a nauseating kind of white liberalism that forgives and excuses black failure. No way anyone can say that a smart, articulate black person cannot make it in the Great US of A anymore. Thank God.

493 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:20pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

Pamela apparently does not understand that they "support" Israel on the "Juden raus!" theory; make sure the damn kikes have a place we can kick them out to.

And then follow them to Israel and get the neighbors to take the next step.

494 lennysquiggy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:20pm

#486 (me):

And I don't mean to imply that I'm taking sides in this with the hunting comment. I'm just kind of devastated.

495 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:23pm

re: #486 lennysquiggy

What a great week. We suffered a Marxist revolution without a shot fired and now this.

A rift between Charles and Spencer. I feel like I'm watching Santa Claus hunt the Easter Bunny.

There's no rift. I'm finished with him. He's shown his true colors.

496 Palandine  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:27pm

re: #465 Who Watches the Watchmen?

That will make it easier for the Civilian Corps to suppress dissent.

I still don't know if I believe in the brownshirts, but I do believe in his clearly stated desire to roll back my 2nd Amendment rights. It also pisses me off something fierce that I have to spend this disposable money now, when I'd really rather be thinking about Christmas. This is not filling me with goodwill for giving the man a chance.

497 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:30pm

re: #470 formercorpsman

Fascists are great at playing people off one another.

498 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:34pm

re: #464 erisldysnomia

I know, I know I know

But what will the Arabs think?

You think they give a rat's rear end who Obama's Chief of Staff is?

499 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:37pm

re: #486 lennysquiggy

What a great week. We suffered a Marxist revolution without a shot fired and now this.

A rift between Charles and Spencer. I feel like I'm watching Santa Claus hunt the Easter Bunny.

That's an old Sluggy Freelance storyline.

500 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:40pm

re: #457 buzzsawmonkey

You do not appreciate Art.
The reference to U of C was to what the school could do in exploring this subject. The departments named were behind a recent public effort to shut down a new research center that honors the late Prof. Freidman.

501 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:31:58pm

re: #470 formercorpsman

Sharmuta, I know that.

Bosnian SS, Arafat's uncle, etc.

I'll try again.

Do you think the Nazi groups are taking sides on the players in fighting each other in the middle east?

I've seen hints of connections but no proof with some of the militant nationalist groups in Southern Turkey.

502 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:32:00pm

Isn't this just so very cute.

////

Disgusting subhumans.

503 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:32:16pm

re: #491 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Old-school fascists: "All Jews to Palestine!"
New-style fascists: "All Jews out of Occupied Palestine!"

Old and new? I would say these people try to say both of them at the same time!

504 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:32:57pm

re: #486 lennysquiggy

A rift between Charles and Spencer. I feel like I'm watching Santa Claus hunt the Easter Bunny.

He looks like Elmer Fudd with a white beard, and he's singing "I'm gonna kill the waaaabbit!"

505 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:03pm

I'm going to enjoy when the Obama supports start singing this catchy number.

506 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:25pm

re: #460 WrathofG-d

I appreciate that, and I believe you.

But still, every Jew should own at least one gun, and know how to use it.

You'd think Jews to a man would, but the overwhelming majority do not.... because being unarmed has always worked out so well.

507 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:30pm
508 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:34pm

re: #428 Throbert McGee

I've not been over there in years. I'm not surprised tha ev jumped on the VB wagon, though. Some people will take the opposite position of others just because it is the opposite position. It's not logical, and can be detrimental to your health and well being.

Hell, maybe they will drag him off to the Camps last. I,/I> wouldn't find that thought comforting, but apparently there are those who feel that way.

509 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:43pm

re: #464 erisldysnomia

I know, I know I know

But what will the Arabs think?


They will think that Obama considers Israel and ally of the Free World of first importance to the US. Again, the list of his first calls as P-elect.

Obama spoke today to Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, South Korean President Lee Myung Bak and U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama's office said.

510 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:33:53pm

What is this, Vile People's Day at LGF? I just signed in to see the thread about that Union Featherbedder/Political Fanatic "Teacher", and this thread about a bunch of Nazis in Belgium, and Rham Emanuel as an OT. Jumping Judas Priest, what a menagerie.

511 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:34:04pm

re: #423 Sharmuta

His audience comes from sites like GoV. Frankly- I've had people tell me they don't read the comments at jihad watch because they're so vile. I tried commenting there for a day or two and gave up because many of those folks are rabid. And considering robert openly attacked Charles and LGF on his site, jihad watch readers who didn't know about LGF do now. They are free to take robert's word for it, if they want, or research it themselves. I also think that given time- hanging with fascists and their apologists will be it's own poison. I hope robert enjoys his fleas.

It bugs me greatly that so many of the anti-jihadists have openly embraced groups that are not too far removed from their roots in neo-nazism and nationalism. For all these groups protestations, they seem to have an awful lot of people that were heavily involved in the forerunner groups. Groups that were either discredited or outright banned for their extreme beliefs.
When this whole thing blew up last year, I really thought that fewer blogs would fall towards the fascists. It has become what I feared it would, a schism that is not going away. I chose the side I believe is the right one, but didn't want to have to make that choice in the first place.

512 Steffan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:34:15pm

re: #383 Dar ul Harb

You remember the AP story "Everything is seemingly spinning out of control?"

I'm beginning to wonder.

The suckitude factor of this timeline continues to increase.

Heh. (scroll down)

Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control

* "Parents of Minn. 7-Year-Old Find Methamphetamine and $85 in Cash Among His Halloween Treats"--headline, Associated Press, Nov. 4
* "Wallin Breaks Maple Leafs' Hearts"--headline, CBC.ca, Nov. 4
* "Barking Mad: Owners of Obese Dogs and Fat Cats Could Face Jail Under Controversial New Rules"--headline, Daily Mail (London), Nov. 5
* "Doomsday Scenario Is All Too Real"--headline, Detroit News, Nov. 6
* "Everything Was All Right on Tuesday Night"--headline, St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, Nov. 5

Breaking News From 1930
" 'Three Stooges' Headed to Big Screen"--headline, FoxNews.com, Nov. 4

513 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:34:36pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey
Exactly.

514 JacksonTn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:35:00pm

re: #427 tokyobk

I can;t understand why liberals do not see how important the 2nd Amendment.

I do believe Obama is looking much mor ecenter than almost any one here predicted and that he will not sell Israel down the river. Here are his first calls:

I do not believe anything he says ...those are the ones he is saying he talked to ....you will never know who else he talks to .....never ....only his actions will speak for him ......

515 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:35:41pm

re: #488 NoSubmission

My gosh he's got such a creepy look about him.
His brother is Ari Emmanuel? Didn't know that.

I was waiting for someone to pick up on kreplach! LOL Not only is it a delicious sweet treat, but it so much fun to say. Kreplach!

I make kreplach out of mashed chicken meat and chopped onions, wrapped in won ton wrappers. What do you put into your kreplach?

516 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:35:49pm

re: #383 Dar ul Harb

You remember the AP story "Everything is seemingly spinning out of control?"

I'm beginning to wonder.

The suckitude factor of this timeline continues to increase.

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

517 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:04pm

Our guys hard at work.....

A-10 Gun run for pinned down Troops (VERY INTENSE)

Danger close!

518 alien_mind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:21pm

re: #400 DocDublU
iowahawk does it again. this guy is good, really good.

519 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:25pm

re: #494 lennysquiggy

son,

just because you just found out about it, it doesn't mean that it just begun.

520 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:32pm

re: #475 spidly

re: #475 spidly

yes! but do not get the cz-97 45 cal. it is not the same über-reliable 75 design. it's sort of over engineered and full of parts and stuff.

Dont have one of those, but my absolute favorite is the CZ 75D -PCR...sweet little shooter!

521 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:36:52pm

(oops, try again)Our guys hard at work.....

A-10 Gun run for pinned down Troops (VERY INTENSE)

Danger close!

522 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:37:01pm

BBL mates! Much more satisfying than the gloom and doomers of yesterday! Haaaar!

523 3 wood  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:37:26pm

re: #459 mama winger

What HE said.

Several years ago I had some discussions with some people very high up in the Chicago Democratic machine (i.e., the same machine that is going to play a big part of this new White House). They told me they learned their lesson when Newt Gingrich led the Republican revolution in the 90's and used talk radio to great advantage.

They told me that when the Democrats ever took over the Congress and White House again, they would use executive orders to basically ban conservative talk. They believe they have the ACLU lawyers and left wing judges in place to make it work, and that most radio outlets would cave in anyway if they got hit with a few fines and their license threatened.

These people are not kidding around.

524 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:37:45pm

re: #482 mama winger

First hand account from the Soviet Union at post number 452. Please read.

Read and updinged, luv, thanks.

525 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #514 JacksonTn

I do not believe anything he says ...those are the ones he is saying he talked to ....you will never know who else he talks to .....never ....only his actions will speak for him ......


I agree. But these are actions. As is bringing on Rahm as his CoS (a tad more powerful than some PLO guy he had dinner with) and Penny Pritzker as Commerce (very big supporter of Israel). Yes, these are democrats and liberals. I don't agree with them politically but they will not destroy our republic.

526 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:38:22pm

re: #365 kingkenrod

There's nothing wrong with using .gov to promote the executive agenda, whatever that is. President Bush does it.

However, change.gov's content make it clear this is a website for promoting Obama-Biden, and the content is copyrighted by a 501(c), which is by definition not a government organization.

It's a copyright. No big deal here. Are you asking that the rights be transferred from the non-profit? It's okay for them to promote Obama/Biden. It really is. No laws are being broken.

527 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:39:06pm

Have, with a Jewish Chief of Staff and if Lawrence Summers is reappointed as Treasury Secretary, the Muslim world might go apoplectic....

528 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:39:36pm

re: #527 erisldysnomia

I hereby offer my services as Sec of State.

529 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:39:50pm

re: #460 WrathofG-d

I appreciate that, and I believe you.

But still, every Jew should own at least one gun, and know how to use it.

Oh Wrath..Let me tell ya a story..it's almost open thread and i'm waiting for a basketball game to start..
Listen.. I married a Jewish girl..we have 5 kids..Our combined Catholic/Jew families is huge..We fell in love early and really religion issues was something our families pressed upon us...
The only way our families would bless us getting married as if we had counciling.. So we go see our priest first..I think our priest was about 100 years old..and as a semi reblious kid and him knowing me my whole life we got through it all right..Till the end when he wondered about where we were getting married..god forbid it would be in the temple...
I got really pissed...The next week..and everybody knowing it wasn't going to go well with Rabbi R.
We go in and he says..
Young man..Women get married for love
Men get married for sex
Why are you getting married?
{Silence}
Young man?
At a loss for words i said..
are you kidding me? Her parents are loaded..
{silence}
Then laughter...much laughter..and a kiss from my beautiful girl and she says.. I love this guy..he always makes me laugh..
That has always been my mission in life..Make my wife laugh...
/we had a garden wedding in Napa Valley...

530 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:39:56pm

re: #523 3 wood

O'Reilly was just on blabbing about how it would never happen - Obama would never consider it.

He is a chump.

Already FOX News is positioning themselves further to the left.

531 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:03pm

Re: 251
What's a Willie Pete?

532 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:14pm

re: #430 LoFlyer

It's only fair. Basic DSL is 1,500 kbps and you are running at half of that. try it a couple of more times and tell me what the average is and who your service provider is and what your Internet services and speeds are advertised.

K, I did 2 more tests, here's what I got:

Download Speed: 750 kbps (93.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 732 kbps (91.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

Download Speed: 617 kbps (77.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 678 kbps (84.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

So I guess that's an average of 683 download and 705 upload, huh? Pretty bad, yes?

My ISP is called Antelecom, and they advertise "10 - 20 times faster than dialup" ...they make absolutely no other promises, I guess this is why, huh? A lot of lizards have given me good ideas about getting rid of Norton and other cleanup methods I can (and will) try, but it seems like my ISP is probably a big part of it, huh?

533 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:38pm

re: #528 WrathofG-d

I hereby offer my services as Sec of State.

Yup I am sure you and John Bolton are high on the list!

534 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:40:40pm

re: #511 CyanSnowHawk

I still fail to see the difference between european nationalism and islamic supremacism. They are two sides of the same coin of an evil ideology- one that is the antithesis of what I hold dear as an American. It was an easy, no-brainer choice for me to reject these people and anyone who wants to make apologies for them.

535 lennysquiggy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:28pm

#495 Charles:

That's what I meant. My definition of the word 'rift' is pretty extreme, mostly because I'm stubborn like that. If I thought this was a minor thing, I wouldn't have posted. I've been involved in similar situations where a long friendship or business partnership disintegrates in a horrible way - it sucks and I feel for ya.

I feel like I'm watching Reagan and Lincoln in a knife fight in an alleyway.

536 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:38pm

re: #523 3 wood

Several years ago I had some discussions with some people very high up in the Chicago Democratic machine (i.e., the same machine that is going to play a big part of this new White House). They told me they learned their lesson when Newt Gingrich led the Republican revolution in the 90's and used talk radio to great advantage.

They told me that when the Democrats ever took over the Congress and White House again, they would use executive orders to basically ban conservative talk. They believe they have the ACLU lawyers and left wing judges in place to make it work, and that most radio outlets would cave in anyway if they got hit with a few fines and their license threatened.

These people are not kidding around.

Imagine a mass protest of 20,000,000 Rush listeners at these peoples' doorsteps.

537 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:41:54pm

re: #505 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm going to enjoy when the Obama supports start singing this catchy number.

What the hell is he going to do? He cannot possibly pull the trigger on all his schemes. If he actually wants revenues for the utopia then he's got the choice of lowering the top marginal rates, dividends, corporate, capital gains OR getting the non-paying 40% to start kicking in at some level.

but then with the "sending price signals" and "necessarily skyrocketing energy prices" talk he just might be the flat earther crazy luddite overlord to do it.

538 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:42:19pm

re: #533 Nevergiveup

ha!

Ambassador to Israel?

539 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:42:37pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

buzz, that epithet has no place here, even sarcastically.

540 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:42:50pm

re: #532 Lorenska

I don't much about speed, etc., but dumping Norton worked for me. I could never get on the large comment threads when I was using it.

541 kynna  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:07pm

Well that video is charming.////

So ... if I'm serious about fighting Jihad these are my go-to allies? Mmm... don't think so.

Jackasses.

542 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:12pm

re: #523 3 wood

A former friend of mine believes that the new administration will restore the Constitution.

(Not kidding)

543 LittleGreenFavre  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:18pm

re: #234 Iron Fist

I've never seen an entire society vote to commit suicide before. We're not quite there.

tHugo Chavez, 1998, Venezuela, any bells ringing now? Chavez won that election, fair and square. In less than 10 years that country went from traditionally close and reliable ally to sworn enemy of the USA. Now with an Obama Administration and its radical environmentalist, anti-coal, anti-oil prejudices, Venezuela will face real misery as oil production accounts for more than 95% of its exports.

Societies can (and sometimes do) vote to commit suicide. It happens...

544 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:43:20pm

I just don't get it with people like Spencer. I understand how he feels but we cannot fight Islamofascism with Nazi fascism. Why can't he boost people like Geert Wilders instead?

545 alien_mind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:02pm

re: #451 3 wood
you got it right, its nothing to do with ethnicity.
the Chicago machine goes national.

546 JacksonTn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:05pm

Obama will only show me his true support for Israel if and when the rubber meets the road ...

547 Pete-billy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:09pm

re: #446 Miss Trixie

laughing :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

548 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:15pm

I had no idea "songs" like this existed. Sometimes our world feels very ugly...

549 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:45pm

re: #535 lennysquiggy

#495 Charles:

That's what I meant. My definition of the word 'rift' is pretty extreme, mostly because I'm stubborn like that. If I thought this was a minor thing, I wouldn't have posted. I've been involved in similar situations where a long friendship or business partnership disintegrates in a horrible way - it sucks and I feel for ya.

I feel like I'm watching Reagan and Lincoln in a knife fight in an alleyway.

Except the mask has slipped and it's not Reagan at all in that alley, it david duke.

550 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:52pm

re: #468 Pvt Bin Jammin


Hope all the lizards are doing well as not as depressed over the election as I am.

Let's find a questionnaire, and see who is worse, you or me! Bet I win. )=: I am still in shock over the results. May G-d help us.

Got to eat dinner; I just realized that I took my insulin about 30 minutes ago.

BBL...

551 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:44:56pm
552 gman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:45:14pm

re: #531 Killgore Trout

Re: 251
What's a Willie Pete?

White Phosphorous grenade used to really light up a target area

553 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:45:27pm

re: #528 WrathofG-d

I hereby offer my services as Sec of State.

Only if you prove you're circumcised.

554 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:45:43pm

re: #544 Tigger2005

I just don't get it with people like Spencer. I understand how he feels but we cannot fight Islamofascism with Nazi fascism. Why can't he boost people like Geert Wilders instead?

I fear he's trying to rope in Geert Wilders now. Hopefully Mr. Wilders will see through him.

555 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:45:53pm

re: #544 Tigger2005

I just don't get it with people like Spencer. I understand how he feels but we cannot fight Islamofascism with Nazi fascism. Why can't he boost people like Geert Wilders instead?

If you believe what Spencer has written, Geert Wilders has apparently softened his opposition to groups like the Vlaams Belang too.

556 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:02pm

re: #542 The Other Les

A former friend of mine believes that the new administration will restore the Constitution.

(Not kidding)

What Constitution? The USSR's?

557 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #544 Tigger2005

Why can't he boost people like Geert Wilders instead?

Ayaan Hirsi Alli is another great example. It's easy to avoid associations with neo-nazi types but some people choose to do it anyways.

558 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:33pm

re: #552 gman

Ah, thanks.

559 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:39pm

re: #542 The Other Les

A former friend of mine believes that the new administration will restore the Constitution.

(Not kidding)

The constitution of which country?

560 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:45pm

I predict that by this time next year the "fairness doctrine" will be in place and conservative talk radio will be long gone. Also a change in Senate rules will have set the cutoff for a filibuster at a simple majority. We elected a damned communist as president. Wake up and smell the coffee.

561 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:54pm

re: #544 Tigger2005

I just don't get it with people like Spencer. I understand how he feels but we cannot fight Islamofascism with Nazi fascism. Why can't he boost people like Geert Wilders instead?

This falling out kind orf breaks my heart too.

Two human beings with talents and a desire to support the cause of Freedom.

IMO, Spencer is mildly tainted with his own religious agenda (I do not think he spports facists and as soon as I do think that I am gone from there as well) and Charles is a person of advanced integrity which can also lead to a rigidity in some cases. When he decides something he decides it for good.

I post witht he same nic in both places (though not so much over there recently) and will respect each house where I am aguest.

562 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:46:54pm

re: #556 FloridaAnole

What Constitution? The USSR's?

GMTA

563 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:11pm

re: #543 LittleGreenFavre

And the BBC just did a feature about how Chavez is busily nationalizing all the resource industries (including a Canadian gold mine, or formerly Canadian owned)...

564 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:12pm

re: #555 Charles

I really hope that's not true.

565 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:16pm

re: #552 gman

Or if you are writing an article for Hamas Agitprop theater it's a deadly chemical weapon, nerve gas, or somesuch.

566 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:17pm

re: #536 erisldysnomia

Imagine a mass protest of 20,000,000 Rush listeners at these peoples' doorsteps.

I hope they go with the local content rules. The person denying the population of their daily Rush would have to come out of his bunker at some point. It would certainly be featured on dirty jobs or worlds most dangerous jobs on TLC.

567 Miss Trixie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:24pm

re: #529 HoosierHoops

Oh Wrath..Let me tell ya a story..it's almost open thread and i'm waiting for a basketball game to start..
Listen.. I married a Jewish girl..we have 5 kids..Our combined Catholic/Jew families is huge..We fell in love early and really religion issues was something our families pressed upon us...
The only way our families would bless us getting married as if we had counciling.. So we go see our priest first..I think our priest was about 100 years old..and as a semi reblious kid and him knowing me my whole life we got through it all right..Till the end when he wondered about where we were getting married..god forbid it would be in the temple...
I got really pissed...The next week..and everybody knowing it wasn't going to go well with Rabbi R.
We go in and he says..
Young man..Women get married for love
Men get married for sex
Why are you getting married?
{Silence}
Young man?
At a loss for words i said..
are you kidding me? Her parents are loaded..
{silence}
Then laughter...much laughter..and a kiss from my beautiful girl and she says.. I love this guy..he always makes me laugh..
That has always been my mission in life..Make my wife laugh...
/we had a garden wedding in Napa Valley...

*sniffle*

Wunnerful!

*honk*

568 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:37pm

re: #531 Killgore Trout

Re: 251
What's a Willie Pete?

White Phosphorus grenade. Burns like the sun, melts whatever it is sitting on. Saw a demo in Army Boot camp where one burned through a V8 engine block.

569 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:38pm
570 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:52pm

re: #529 HoosierHoops

That was a wonderful story Hoops! Thanks!
Your wife is one lucky girl!

571 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:53pm

re: #560 infidel Alan

I predict that by this time next year the "fairness doctrine" will be in place and conservative talk radio will be long gone. Also a change in Senate rules will have set the cutoff for a filibuster at a simple majority. We elected a damned communist as president. Wake up and smell the coffee.

They can't stop offshore shortwave transmitters that people like Rush, Hannity et al could easily afford.

Shortwave radios are also very cheap and abundant.

572 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:53pm

re: #550 NY Nana

Enjoy your dinner, Nana.

573 gman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:47:59pm

re: #565 Thanos

Or if you are writing an article for Hamas Agitprop theater it's a deadly chemical weapon, nerve gas, or somesuch.

LOL

574 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:48:07pm

re: #571 erisldysnomia

They can't stop offshore shortwave transmitters that people like Rush, Hannity et al could easily afford.

Shortwave radios are also very cheap and abundant.

Radio Free USSA

575 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:48:19pm

re: #556 FloridaAnole

What Constitution? The USSR's?

The former friend was a narcissist with a talent for rewriting reality.

576 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:48:39pm

re: #568 CyanSnowHawk

I'll bet those show up really well on infrared cameras too.

577 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:48:47pm

re: #555 Charles

If you believe what Spencer has written, Geert Wilders has apparently softened his opposition to groups like the Vlaams Belang too.

robert has no credibility any more in my opinion. I hope Mr. Wilders stays the course.

578 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:48:55pm

re: #566 spidly

I hope they go with the local content rules. The person denying the population of their daily Rush would have to come out of his bunker at some point. It would certainly be featured on dirty jobs or worlds most dangerous jobs on TLC.

Indeed.

579 talon_262  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:15pm

re: #516 Tigger2005

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Egon: Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

580 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:15pm

re: #559 erisldysnomia

The constitution of which country?

La La Land, I presume.

581 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:18pm

re: #546 JacksonTn

Obama will only show me his true support for Israel if and when the rubber meets the road ...


Agreed. I will watch him every step. But please admit that this quoted below is a step towards treating Israel as an ally of primary impotance and not away from it, as is advancing Pritzker and Rahm. Summers is Jewish but I have no idea his feelings on Israel, so his Jewish background may or may not be relevant. The first two are staunch supporters of the Jewish State.

Obama spoke today to Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, South Korean President Lee Myung Bak and U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama's office said.

582 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:32pm

re: #556 FloridaAnole

My wife gives you a thumbs up! She said according to Soviet law if you don't work, you go to jail, no welfare unless you're handicapped.

583 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:34pm

re: #566 spidly

I hope they go with the local content rules. The person denying the population of their daily Rush would have to come out of his bunker at some point. It would certainly be featured on dirty jobs or worlds most dangerous jobs on TLC.

Many Rush listeners are truckers. Nice group to piss off.

584 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:48pm

re: #542 The Other Les

A former friend of mine believes that the new administration will restore the Constitution.

(Not kidding)

has he been going without a helmet?

ask him which president did not exempt himself from FISA by executive order due to its unconstitutionality since it passed in 1978.

585 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:49:51pm

re: #452 Caliredst8r

I wonder if kids who are homeschooled will have to participate. If they don't have a graduation certificate to lord over you, how can they force this?

Ironically, Boy Scouts are already doing lots of service projects.

586 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:23pm

re: #575 The Other Les

That reminds me: I wonder who Obama is going to handle the closing of Gitmo.

587 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:28pm

re: #568 CyanSnowHawk

White Phosphorus grenade. Burns like the sun, melts whatever it is sitting on. Saw a demo in Army Boot camp where one burned through a V8 engine block.

No. I think that was thermite.

Fun stuff anyway.

588 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:38pm

re: #555 Charles

I've seen stuff on G. Wilders (from the CBC)...yeah, I've got my doubts about him...(probably the only way of knowing for sure would be to go "undercover" and observe...but, I don't have 100 percent confidence in Wilders...)

589 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:49pm

re: #531 Killgore Trout

Re: 251
What's a Willie Pete?

I didn't find teh reference in 251; if you're talking ordinance, "Willie Pete" or "Willie Peter" is military radio slang for WP incendiary weapons (white phosphorus).

Don't tell Rosie, but it'll melt steel.

590 Lorenska  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:50:57pm

Thanks to everyone for your help regarding my comment loading issue....the speakeasy link was hugely helpful, LoFlyer, and the consensus seems to be to dump Norton as well. Everyone has given me some good ideas for alternatives, so thank you all. That said, this thread is getting huge and I'm going to lose it, so I'm going to logoff, uninstall Norton and try some other clean up items - hopefully I'll never miss another thread because of its length. Thanks again, night all.

591 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:51:26pm

re: #548 SummerSong

You serious?
(*warning for all the following links)

Hear this.
and this
and also this.
and you cannot forget this.
oh there is also this.

592 Thanos  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:51:27pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

There's one rumor out that he's going to make Robert F. Kennedy jr. head of EPA, Kennedy's rabidly anti-nuclear.

593 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:51:30pm

re: #459 mama winger

What HE said.

The Chicago Cartel.

594 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:51:37pm

re: #543 LittleGreenFavre

Societies can (and sometimes do) vote to commit suicide. It happens...

Sadly, I said this very thing to a fellow volunteer on the McCain campaign Monday night. I had read it online somewhere ... someone expressing confidence that Americans would not elect Obama, no matter how they felt about the economy, because while lots of people get desperate, very few of them blow their brains out.

52% of Americans voted to blow their brains out. The question is: are we all dead, or only half dead? Can this patient be saved?

595 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:51:52pm

re: #534 Sharmuta

I still fail to see the difference between european nationalism and islamic supremacism. They are two sides of the same coin of an evil ideology- one that is the antithesis of what I hold dear as an American. It was an easy, no-brainer choice for me to reject these people and anyone who wants to make apologies for them.

And that is the tragedy of the whole thing. Those other blogs threw in with one to oppose the other. Stupid. Then they explain it away with the whole, 'It's a European thing' excuse. Well it's an American thing that I think they are a pack of idiots for doing that.

596 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:52:27pm

*sigh* The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. The Anti-semites are in the open. Both over in Europe and in America. Here we go again.

Bastards.

597 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:52:55pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout


Oh, that's easy. He'll bring the poor, longsuffering terrorists Muslims to the USA, and let them off in a crowd. Fly free, little terrorist! Fly free!

598 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #584 spidly

has he been going without a helmet?

ask him which president did not exempt himself from FISA by executive order due to its unconstitutionality since it passed in 1978.

Not talking to "her" anymore.

"She" also has a concealed carry permit and carries a Glock 36.

I'm staying the hell out of that part of Minneapolis.

599 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #536 erisldysnomia

Imagine a mass protest of 20,000,000 Rush listeners at these peoples' doorsteps.

I think we would have to take to the streets, have a march on Congress or such.
I know conservatives don't enjoy that sort of thing they way liberals do...........probably because we have jobs!.......but I think we're going to have to do it.

600 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:53:37pm
601 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:53:52pm
602 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:10pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

That reminds me: I wonder who Obama is going to handle the closing of Gitmo.

Gitmo will remain open for racists and other enemies of the regime.

603 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:26pm

re: #585 DistantThunder

How long will home-schooling survive under O's Department of Indoctrination Education?

604 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:27pm

re: #579 talon_262

Egon: Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

Venkman: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head, remember that?
Egon: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.

605 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:54:42pm

re: #560 infidel Alan

I predict that by this time next year the "fairness doctrine" will be in place and conservative talk radio will be long gone. Also a change in Senate rules will have set the cutoff for a filibuster at a simple majority. We elected a damned communist as president. Wake up and smell the coffee.

The Un-Fairness Doctrine will never pass muster constitutionally. Even if it did place a temporary restriction on communications until the courts sorted it all out, there are are so many access points to communicate from in this new info age. I'm not concerned.
/yet

606 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:55:25pm

re: #579 talon_262

Egon: Let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

That's a big twinkie. . .

607 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:55:41pm

re: #569 buzzsawmonkey

I apologize if I caused offense; sometimes it is useful to use rough language to make a point, but there is the possibility I could have done it in different fashion.

Thank you.

608 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #606 DisturbedEma

That's a big twinkie. . .

Winston said. . .

609 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:38pm

re: #576 Killgore Trout

I'll bet those show up really well on infrared cameras too.

Probably all you can see when it's lit.

610 itellu3times  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:41pm

re: #448 erisldysnomia

Check out images on this google search:

Apophis SG-1

Well the Stargate itself is a big O, but we only have so many pixels to play with!

611 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:56:42pm

re: #603 Caliredst8r

How long will home-schooling survive under O's Department of Indoctrination Education?

We have the First Ammendment to Protest
We have the Second Ammendment to Reinforce our Positions

612 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:57:01pm

re: #505 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm going to enjoy when the Obama supports start singing this catchy number.

or this one..one of my faves............

613 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:57:30pm

re: #602 The Other Les

Gitmo will remain open for racists and other enemies of the regime.

Better get my deposit in for a room with a view. . .

614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:57:56pm

re: #605 unrealizedviewpoint

The Un-Fairness Doctrine will never pass muster constitutionally. Even if it did place a temporary restriction on communications until the courts sorted it all out, there are are so many access points to communicate from in this new info age. I'm not concerned.
/yet

Never give an inch. One inch then becomes a foot...

615 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:58:19pm

re: #585 DistantThunder

I wonder if kids who are homeschooled will have to participate. If they don't have a graduation certificate to lord over you, how can they force this?

Ironically, Boy Scouts are already doing lots of service projects.

We'll just change their neckerchiefs to red scarves.

616 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #599 wolfie

I think we would have to take to the streets, have a march on Congress or such.
I know conservatives don't enjoy that sort of thing they way liberals do...........probably because we have jobs!.......but I think we're going to have to do it.

yes, and that would send one hell of a message.

617 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:59:02pm

re: #615 OldLineTexan

We'll just change their neckerchiefs to red scarves.

And the Little Red Book instead of a diploma. . .

618 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:59:12pm

re: #478 Charles

Sorry for not responding sooner, I just finished putting my boys to bed, and one of them takes a medicine I need to measure out.

The Eurofascists will do anything they have to do to gain legitimacy. You cannot trust a single thing they do or say.

If my questions are coming through as insinuating some level of trust, or infering legitamcy, well, I am not not. To be honest, I don't know where this came from to begin with.

I am trying to discuss the inside baseball aspect of what the inner workings are within this group, who, and if, they are tying themselves to any particular movement in the middle east vying for dominance in the region. My point was really trying to question the knowledge of thwarting IAEA inspections in Iran, who they are carrying water for, and if they might be getting influence from some portion of the middle east to be against certain islamic groups in Europe. I am curious to know how far the middle east's nuclear tug of war is reaching into Europe, as we watch this unfold in front of us.

I realize scum clings to scum. Nazi scum, Communist scum, Shia scum, Sunni scum, etc. This was NEVER my question to begin with. I put a uniform on for this country because of what my father's brothers did as first generation immigrants, who went back to the land their own father left to fight fascism.

I understand this, I get it. Again, this was not my question.

I really don't understand why someone would think otherwise.

619 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 5:59:25pm

re: #614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Never give an inch. One inch then becomes a foot...

Conservatives need to learn that. FAST.

620 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:38pm

re: #501 Thanos

Thank you Thanos.

I mean that sincerely.

621 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:51pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

That reminds me: I wonder who Obama is going to handle the closing of Gitmo.

Free surfboards and waterproof maps for everybody?

Walk over from Miami and unlock the gate himself?

Call their mothers to come pick them up?

OOH! I KNOW!

Make the US taxpayer give them all free airplane rides to the country of their choice, along with new clothes and some walking-around money. And fat lavish apologies. And undead martyr status like that sick arsehole the Israelis traded for the two dead soldiers.

622 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #611 DistantThunder

I keep reminding my better half about the second amendment when she gets upset, which has been quite often lately.

623 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:04pm

re: #610 itellu3times

Well the Stargate itself is a big O, but we only have so many pixels to play with!

Never thought of that.

Well you mabye could use an image of a Supergate.

624 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:11pm

re: #619 erisldysnomia

Conservatives need to learn that. FAST.

And we have to quit worrying about whether people like us or not.

One advantage of getting old - I don't give a flying frikk anymore what someone thinks of me.

625 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:34pm

re: #616 erisldysnomia

yes, and that would send one hell of a message.

On that sort of- the 100 hours for college students? Let me get this straight- 100 MANDATORY hours, for no pay. . .and punishment, I presume, if they fail to comply?

I wondered about this. . .did the people who voted for him realize that work is a HUGE part of the socialist system? And that the work that you do is not at all for personal gain but for the state to take?

Oooops!

626 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #622 Caliredst8r

I keep reminding my better half about the second amendment when she gets upset, which has been quite often lately.

I can understand now why she would be.

627 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:03:48pm

Just because

Reagan knew. Even then, he knew.

628 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #624 mama winger

And we have to quit worrying about whether people like us or not.

One advantage of getting old - I don't give a flying frikk anymore what someone thinks of me.

It has been said:

If people are not gonna like you, then might as well give 'em a GOOD REASON not to like you.

629 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Never give an inch. One inch then becomes a foot...

This is what bugs me about people who say they're going to 'step back and give Obama a chance.'

No.

We must be on his ass from day one.
NEVER let up for a second.
Harass him every step of the way.

This is not Clinton. This is not an ordinary philandering crooked American politician. This is not even Carter. This is a Socialist! This man does not understand thing one about what makes America great. His whole life has been a rejection of what makes America great. Every time he so much as shifts his little toe leftward we must respond ferociously. And we must do our best to anticipate his moves and check them pre-emptively.

630 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:04:48pm

re: #595 CyanSnowHawk

And that is the tragedy of the whole thing. Those other blogs threw in with one to oppose the other. Stupid. Then they explain it away with the whole, 'It's a European thing' excuse. Well it's an American thing that I think they are a pack of idiots for doing that.

They see the conflict as a religious war. I don't- it's an ideological war. islam is an ideology masked as a religion. The ideology of islam is fascist- you therefore cannot defeat it by clubbing it with it's twin.

But because they don't see it as ideological, but rather religious, this makes it easier for them. Because thinking of it in terms of ideology means they would have to think, and think deeply about political science. If they did that, they would have to admit their politics is no different than the islamists. It's much easier to couch it in terms of a religious war so they can mask their fascism- whose tool of scapegoating the "other" is key to them gaining power.

These so-called intellectual giants are anything but- they are cowards, afraid to look deeper into themselves and their thought process for fear that what they might find inside them so closely resembles that in which they claim to oppose.

631 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:07pm

re: #627 mama winger

Now doesn't that deserve its own thread!

632 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:13pm

re: #625 DisturbedEma

On that sort of- the 100 hours for college students? Let me get this straight- 100 MANDATORY hours, for no pay. . .and punishment, I presume, if they fail to comply?

I wondered about this. . .did the people who voted for him realize that work is a HUGE part of the socialist system? And that the work that you do is not at all for personal gain but for the state to take?

Oooops!

The state stealing time and energy from the workers - and let me guess that church service will not count - unless it is a TUC - or it's type.

633 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:16pm

A group of 350 to 600 gay people are marching around Westwood (West Los Angeles) disrupting traffic. Apparently they've been at it all afternoon. Currently they are at the Mormon temple on Santa Monica Blvd. demanding that the church lose it's tax-exempt status because of its political opposition to gay marriage.

634 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:21pm

re: #629 Tigger2005

Stands and Cheers

635 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:37pm

The saying has never rung so true. . .

During the Holocaust

The pessimists emigrated
The optimists went to the gas chambers. . .

Buck up, it is going to happen- this will be another "disregard, they do not speak for us" moment for all to swallow whole. . .like the lie about the one's support for Israel. .

Chocolate coating, to make it go down better. . .

636 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:38pm

re: #629 Tigger2005

Every time he so much as shifts his little toe leftward we must respond ferociously. And we must do our best to anticipate his moves and check them pre-emptively.

I must concur this is very good advice, for the near future at least.

637 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:05:47pm

re: #631 WrathofG-d

Now doesn't that deserve its own thread!

The man was awesome. Simply awesome.

638 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:04pm

re: #626 mama winger

You have no idea! She saw that video about the "teacher" here in NC, she was shocked and in tears, especially with the little kids chanting at the end. She fears for our daughter and actually mentioned sending her back to Russia to go to school. How ironic is that? Sending your child back to Russia because of the crap that's going on here in the USA.

639 callahan23  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:09pm

re: #560 infidel Alan

I predict that by this time next year the "fairness doctrine" will be in place and conservative talk radio will be long gone. Also a change in Senate rules will have set the cutoff for a filibuster at a simple majority. We elected a damned communist as president. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Isn't there a way around? Couldn't conservative talk radio move to produce podcast's that are sold or financed by ads?

Just naively asking.

640 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:25pm

re: #614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

That is exactly why I am so opposed to gun control. As long as we are armed, there are Limits (at least theoretically) to what the government can do. Once you allow yourself to be disarmed, those limits are mostly gone. Tiananmen Square is what happens to peaceful protestors if the Government is an essentially unlimited, amoral one.

641 LittleGreenFavre  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:38pm

re: #594 Tigger2005

52% of Americans voted to blow their brains out. The question is: are we all dead, or only half dead? Can this patient be saved?

Let's see... The patient is in very bad shape after Tuesday's shot on herself but she's still far from flatlining. I think that we should make any and every effort to save America's life as we love her so much. It will not be easy or painless to do or watch, but I believe she can still be saved.

642 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:06:52pm

re: #637 mama winger

McCain should have given this speech. This attitude should be the Republican phoenix's rebirth!

643 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:02pm

re: #591 WrathofG-d

You serious?
(*warning for all the following links)

Hear this.
and this
and also this.
and you cannot forget this.
oh there is also this.

I've never heard any of them and I never wish to again.

644 Sand Panda  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:03pm

I know that the thread seems to have gone rather OT, but I'm curious about the background conversation. Could some obliging lizard francophone please translate what exactly is being said?

645 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:05pm

re: #633 infidel Alan

A group of 350 to 600 gay people are marching around Westwood (West Los Angeles) disrupting traffic. Apparently they've been at it all afternoon. Currently they are at the Mormon temple on Santa Monica Blvd. demanding that the church lose it's tax-exempt status because of its political opposition to gay marriage.

Now, you see, a group of 1500 counter protester Mormons could ask them to go somewhere else.

646 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:08pm

re: #638 Caliredst8r

You have no idea! She saw that video about the "teacher" here in NC, she was shocked and in tears, especially with the little kids chanting at the end. She fears for our daughter and actually mentioned sending her back to Russia to go to school. How ironic is that? Sending your child back to Russia because of the crap that's going on here in the USA.

Unbelievable.

Have her watch the Ronald Reagan clip. And tell her we will not let her down.

647 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:09pm

re: #618 formercorpsman

I really don't understand why someone would think otherwise.

Well, you asked:

Do you think the Nazi groups are taking sides on the players in fighting each other in the middle east?

My answer is that it doesn't matter what the outward appearance is. At rock bottom, fascists are concerned with power; anything they think increases their power they will do. It's beyond rationality, and beyond reason -- it's only about power. This is why Vlaams Belang makes noises about supporting Israel, because they believe it will gain them legitimacy, and legitimacy is power.

None of their actions can be understood without grasping this. Alliances mean nothing; words mean nothing; firing people like the ones in this video means nothing. Except in the context of their search for power.

648 JacksonTn  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:22pm

I was in Chicago last January for a trade show ...we had to go downtown to a fedex office ...I had someone drop me out front and they sat in the car...I was in there for 15 minutes ...when I came out I could not get to the car ...it was surrounded by muslims ....there was a loudspeaker blasting...women in black ...banners flying ...they were all beating their chests and chanting ...there were about 500 ...I had never seen anything like it ...I pushed through and got in the car ...we sat in the car for about 20 minutes but it seemed like forever ...they surrounded the car as they were walking ...I had no idea wtf was going on ...as I live in the south and we have only a small muslim population ...after they passed ...I asked someone on the street who was not a part of the group what was going on ...they said it was a funeral ...it was friggin scary ...I can only imagine what it would be like if it had been a protest ...I believe in freedom of religion ...all I am saying is it was scary ....

649 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:07:59pm

re: #592 Thanos

Well, that just leaves...coal? Let's see, no off-shore drilling. No ANWR. No atomic power. Wind is ephemeral. Ethanol will stave millions of 3rd world kids. Hmmmm. Looks like sweater sales will be spiking soon. Buy some power supplies for the PC and Mac at home due to the rolling brown-outs next summer.

If this is true, we can look forward to 2010 with giddy anticipation.

650 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:08:18pm

I may be optimistic but I don't see how Obama's service plan will get through. Telling middle and high school parents that you've added one more thing to shuttle their kids to is not going to fly well. The Congressional critters will get an earful from constituents on both sides of the political fence.

651 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:08:50pm

re: #637 mama winger

This one isn't so bad either (if it is legit!)
*a man before his time.

652 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:09:08pm

re: #615 OldLineTexan

We'll just change their neckerchiefs to red scarves.

How about we all wear an outfit similar to what Michelle Obama wore the other night?

653 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:09:14pm

re: #632 DistantThunder

The state stealing time and energy from the workers - and let me guess that church service will not count - unless it is a TUC - or it's type.

I have several college students around me at any given time. . .I cannot wait to see what happens if this gets press. . .ESPECIALLY since not a single one of them could tell me the one's position on loans, aid, or any other issue about college, and he SURE as hell did not share the nugget that socializing the economy will mean a huge decrease in salary and career advancement. . .that "government" they hate so much. . .will own their souls. . .shanda!

654 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:09:23pm

re: #605 unrealizedviewpoint

The Un-Fairness Doctrine will never pass muster constitutionally. Even if it did place a temporary restriction on communications until the courts sorted it all out, there are are so many access points to communicate from in this new info age. I'm not concerned.
/yet

re: #611 DistantThunder

We have the First Ammendment to Protest
We have the Second Ammendment to Reinforce our Positions

Sorry Sports Fans, time to smell the coffee. BHO will appoint 4 members of the SCOTUS and dozens of other judges, including to the DC Court of appeal. The Constitution will mean whatever the hell he wants it to. There will be no barrier in the Senate, they will easily peel off 4 RINOs and the filibuster threat evaporates. They can do as they please and what they please sounds like the worst.

655 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:09:28pm

re: #628 erisldysnomia

It has been said:

If people are not gonna like you, then might as well give 'em a GOOD REASON not to like you.

I like Audrey Hepburn's line from "Charade"; "I have too many friends already. Until one of them dies, I can't begin to make any new ones."

656 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:01pm

re: #651 WrathofG-d

This one isn't so bad either (if it is legit!)
*a man before his time.

I have never heard this one. Why would you say "if"? It sure sounds like him.

657 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #645 erisldysnomia

Now, you see, a group of 1500 counter protester Mormons could ask them to go somewhere else.

Are gay people afraid of potluck casseroles and endless Jell-O dishes loaded with celery and shredded carrots?

/JOKE, please don't sick the Elders on me
/they can go bike with Charles
/also a JOKE! SHEESH!

658 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:23pm

re: #639 callahan23

Isn't there a way around? Couldn't conservative talk radio move to produce podcast's that are sold or financed by ads?

Just naively asking.

The internet will be regulated by the federal government as it is in China. It will all be done in steps under the excuse of "fairness" and "stopping hate speech."

659 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:32pm

re: #652 outsidephilly

How about we all wear an outfit similar to what Michelle Obama wore the other night?

What? We should all dress up as Black Widow Spiders? ?

:)

660 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:10:55pm

re: #652 outsidephilly

How about we all wear an outfit similar to what Michelle Obama wore the other night?

Oh, goody. I had to leave this afternoon in the middle of the thread bashing her fashion sense and was so bummed.

So is it true that the dress was made in Cuba. What a great message to send on your first night as First-Lady-elect.
/

661 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:11:15pm

re: #652 outsidephilly

How about we all wear an outfit similar to what Michelle Obama wore the other night?

Sorry, but I just so cannot carry that look. I'm envious of black people; they look so GOOD in so many colors that would make us white folks just look silly.///

662 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:11:32pm

re: #627 mama winger

Just because

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Reagan knew. Even then, he knew.

Wow, and wow again. And not a teleprompter in sight. That was a prophetic speech.

663 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:11:43pm

re: #650 livefreeor die

I may be optimistic but I don't see how Obama's service plan will get through. Telling middle and high school parents that you've added one more thing to shuttle their kids to is not going to fly well. The Congressional critters will get an earful from constituents on both sides of the political fence.

re: #654 lifeofthemind

Sorry Sports Fans, time to smell the coffee. BHO will appoint 4 members of the SCOTUS and dozens of other judges, including to the DC Court of appeal. The Constitution will mean whatever the hell he wants it to. There will be no barrier in the Senate, they will easily peel off 4 RINOs and the filibuster threat evaporates. They can do as they please and what they please sounds like the worst.

Not without a fight - and they know we have guns.

664 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:11:44pm

re: #659 mama winger

What? We should all dress up as Black Widow Spiders? ?

:)

. . . , good point!

665 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:11:57pm

re: #662 A Kiwi Infidel

Wow, and wow again. And not a teleprompter in sight. That was a prophetic speech.

Yes, it was. It could have been written for this very election.

666 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:12:31pm

That dress looked like a Rorschach ink blot.

667 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:12:32pm

re: #660 livefreeor die

Her dress was made in Cuba ?!

668 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:12:34pm

re: #652 outsidephilly

How about we all wear an outfit similar to what Michelle Obama wore the other night?

I don't have the legs for skirts or dresses, sorry.

Although Ema MAY soon be asked for the loan of her Flak Bra, because I have an idea for a helmet.

669 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:12:39pm

re: #660 livefreeor die

Oh, goody. I had to leave this afternoon in the middle of the thread bashing her fashion sense and was so bummed.

So is it true that the dress was made in Cuba. What a great message to send on your first night as First-Lady-elect.
/

It looked like the dress was made in Ayers basement . . . . .

670 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:13:04pm

re: #660 livefreeor die

Oh, goody. I had to leave this afternoon in the middle of the thread bashing her fashion sense and was so bummed.

So is it true that the dress was made in Cuba. What a great message to send on your first night as First-Lady-elect.
/

Buy Amerikan?

671 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:13:07pm

re: #637 mama winger

The man was awesome. Simply awesome.

Holy crap. Awesome, never saw this before.

Why wasn't he president then?

672 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:13:27pm

re: #619 erisldysnomia

Conservatives need to learn that. FAST.

Which is why this damn infighting needs to stop. FAST.

We MUST resolve the soccon vs. polticial/economic con rift.

673 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #603 Caliredst8r

How long will home-schooling survive under O's Department of Indoctrination Education?

The federal government will undermine home-schooling indirectly, by funding any and all NGOs working to get rid of it on a state level.
These things are done on a step-by-step plan, quietly but relentlessly.

The key is to leave the veneer of an institution intact but to destroy its essence completely. Home-schooling will be allowed. You just have to have a state-certified teacher.....and/or a state-approved curriculum. (Not just standardized tests to assure basic literacy and numeracy.)
In other words, you can home-school if, and only if, you teach what the state says you must teach.
The next step is to make sure you don't teach anything extra the state doesn't want you to teach.
But no problem! You can home-school!

674 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:00pm

re: #670 DisturbedEma

Buy Amerikan?

I wonder what she'll wear on January 20th. She might be the first First Lady to have the Smithsonian refuse her dress for their collection.

675 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:04pm

Michelle's dress

[Link: www.edupic.net...]

676 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:08pm

re: #657 OldLineTexan

Are gay people afraid of potluck casseroles and endless Jell-O dishes loaded with celery and shredded carrots?

/JOKE, please don't sick the Elders on me
/they can go bike with Charles
/also a JOKE! SHEESH!

The manuel says..during a gay march of hundreds of angry gay protesters.
Start an interior design party and offer free scented candles to all..
It gets them off the street..
/You guys know I'm kidding right? My Sister is gay.
//you should hear what she says about me..

677 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:22pm

re: #668 OldLineTexan

I don't have the legs for skirts or dresses, sorry.

Although Ema MAY soon be asked for the loan of her Flak Bra, because I have an idea for a helmet.

You know I will gladly give that bra to you. . . no loans, I hear that they are risky now. . .

678 WrathofG-d  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:31pm

re: #656 mama winger

Just because I don't know. Its too easy to make things up on the net these days.

679 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:33pm

re: #671 erisldysnomia

Holy crap. Awesome, never saw this before.

Why wasn't he president then?

Got bumped by the Republican elites.

680 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:41pm

re: #592 Thanos

There's one rumor out that he's going to make Robert F. Kennedy jr. head of EPA, Kennedy's rabidly anti-nuclear.

Wonder if this time he will allow the wind farms to be placed off the cape? He was the leading opponent that was responsible for getting it killed last time.

681 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:49pm

re: #654 lifeofthemind

Sorry Sports Fans, time to smell the coffee. BHO will appoint 4 members of the SCOTUS and dozens of other judges, including to the DC Court of appeal. The Constitution will mean whatever the hell he wants it to. There will be no barrier in the Senate, they will easily peel off 4 RINOs and the filibuster threat evaporates. They can do as they please and what they please sounds like the worst.

Which reminds me.

RINOS must hear unequivocally that vote with the Dems - you are OUT at the next election.

682 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:14:55pm

re: #675 mama winger

Michelle's dress

[Link: www.edupic.net...]

nice, very nice . . . .

683 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:15:01pm

re: #672 Tigger2005

Which is why this damn infighting needs to stop. FAST.

We MUST resolve the soccon vs. polticial/economic con rift.

Agree to disagree and unite on shared core values. . .dammit! I'll join then!

684 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:15:50pm

re: #664 outsidephilly

. . . , good point!

You know, I bet it's going to be boring with this couple. I mean, they are SO suburban, with the kids and all. I mean, I bet he won't even look sideways at any intern that might have "back", so to speak. It would be fun if he did, though. I can't imagine Michelle would take it like HRC did with Bill. I mean, how delicious would it be for the DC cops to make a domestic disturbance call at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? Wouldn't it be fun to think of her throwing out all his suits onto the south lawn and lighting them on fire. Sigh. It'll never happen.////

685 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:01pm

re: #681 erisldysnomia

Which reminds me.

RINOS must hear unequivocally that vote with the Dems - you are OUT at the next election.

BTW, when is McCain's term up?

686 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:04pm

re: #654 lifeofthemind

Sorry Sports Fans, time to smell the coffee. BHO will appoint 4 members of the SCOTUS and dozens of other judges, including to the DC Court of appeal. The Constitution will mean whatever the hell he wants it to. There will be no barrier in the Senate, they will easily peel off 4 RINOs and the filibuster threat evaporates. They can do as they please and what they please sounds like the worst.

Again. 20 million+ protesters.

687 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:11pm

re: #666 livefreeor die

That dress looked like a Rorschach ink blot.

You mean like two nude ladies facing one another on a bicycle?

Hey, doc, you;re the one showing me all those dirty pictures!

688 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:12pm

re: #673 wolfie

The federal government will undermine home-schooling indirectly, by funding any and all NGOs working to get rid of it on a state level.
These things are done on a step-by-step plan, quietly but relentlessly.

The key is to leave the veneer of an institution intact but to destroy its essence completely. Home-schooling will be allowed. You just have to have a state-certified teacher.....and/or a state-approved curriculum. (Not just standardized tests to assure basic literacy and numeracy.)
In other words, you can home-school if, and only if, you teach what the state says you must teach.
The next step is to make sure you don't teach anything extra the state doesn't want you to teach.
But no problem! You can home-school!

Exactly right. You will be surprised by how fast it happens and how little effective opposition there will be.

689 Wishing  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:32pm

re: #675 mama winger

Michelle's dress

[Link: www.edupic.net...]

OMG

690 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:35pm

re: #672 Tigger2005

Which is why this damn infighting needs to stop. FAST.

We MUST resolve the soccon vs. polticial/economic con rift.

Tigger, there is a saying in evangelical circles that may apply here:

"In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, charity."

691 jeremy1013  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:43pm

Charles,

I just read your post on whether the GOP should "double down" on social conservatism. Sorry to drag the conversation back to that, but have you read George Nash's book on American Conservatism since 1945? It would be great to know what you think of that and Russell Kirk's essay "The Errors of Ideology" which I think is available on the web.

I don't comment all that often, but when I read your post on kindle, I thought maybe you, like me, might appreciate reading recommendations.

Cheers.

692 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:16:47pm

re: #647 Charles

Charles, you and I are on the exact same page. Again, I still am at a loss to see the leap from my question about who might be coordinating with who, as a way of trying to rationalize their existence.

It was never my question to begin with.

You have made connections with groups working in Turkey, who are behind DI. That would be inside baseball to me. Just interesting to see who is connecting dots with who.

My thoughts are in the realm of looking at that diagram on Discover the Networks.

693 DistantThunder  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:17:02pm

re: #657 OldLineTexan

Are gay people afraid of potluck casseroles and endless Jell-O dishes loaded with celery and shredded carrots?

/JOKE, please don't sick the Elders on me
/they can go bike with Charles
/also a JOKE! SHEESH!

I'm LDS (Mormon) and there are several joke books devoted to green jello. Actually yesterday at the young men's young women's activity (12-18) they held a sit down dinner to teach manners and food preparation. We all had a great dinner with lots of homemade deserts and the kids and adults all had a good time - everyone was laughing and talking and making jokes. This was adults and teenagers together. For the boys it fulfilled one of their Duty to God requirements that is also part of the BoyScout awards, and a requirement for the girls for personal progress.

694 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:17:15pm

re: #684 calcajun

You know, I bet it's going to be boring with this couple. I mean, they are SO suburban, with the kids and all. I mean, I bet he won't even look sideways at any intern that might have "back", so to speak. It would be fun if he did, though. I can't imagine Michelle would take it like HRC did with Bill. I mean, how delicious would it be for the DC cops to make a domestic disturbance call at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? Wouldn't it be fun to think of her throwing out all his suits onto the south lawn and lighting them on fire. Sigh. It'll never happen.////

Oh, I don't know . . . , you can take the family out of the 'city', but you can't take the 'city' out of the family!

695 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:17:15pm

re: #654 lifeofthemind

Sorry Sports Fans, time to smell the coffee. BHO will appoint 4 members of the SCOTUS and dozens of other judges, including to the DC Court of appeal. The Constitution will mean whatever the hell he wants it to. There will be no barrier in the Senate, they will easily peel off 4 RINOs and the filibuster threat evaporates. They can do as they please and what they please sounds like the worst.

Geez. Four conservative Supremes retired in just four years?
How's he gonna do that? Besides - Eight years of Bush appointments may stave off some of the damage you anticipate.
Peeling off Rhino's may happen in some instances, not all.

696 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:17:15pm

I don't doubt that Obama and his minions would love to establish a de facto one-party totalitarian state as described. But I have a feeling that some difficult external realities are going to get in the way.

697 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:04pm

re: #683 DisturbedEma

Right. The two values we have to pull on are fiscal responsibility and smaller government. To do otherwise is to make us hypocrites.

698 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:09pm

re: #647 Charles

My answer is that it doesn't matter what the outward appearance is. At rock bottom, fascists are concerned with power; anything they think increases their power they will do. It's beyond rationality, and beyond reason -- it's only about power. This is why Vlaams Belang makes noises about supporting Israel, because they believe it will gain them legitimacy, and legitimacy is power.

None of their actions can be understood without grasping this. Alliances mean nothing; words mean nothing; firing people like the ones in this video means nothing. Except in the context of their search for power.

When morality is relative, then anything goes.

Once you believe the ends justifies the means, you become untrustworthy.

699 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:14pm

re: #680 Outrider

Wonder if this time he will allow the wind farms to be placed off the cape? He was the leading opponent that was responsible for getting it killed last time.

Energy policy under BO is going the same place it has gone for the last 30 years: NOWHERE!

700 calebspeaks  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:45pm
Delacroix and Van Keerbergen have now been evicted from their parties, because they let a little too much slip out in public.

I know LGF loves to assume the worst about VB, but this is really unfair. To me, their expulsion is a good sign. It suggests that VB is not, by design, a racist party. They were just taking out the trash. Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?

701 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:51pm

re: #694 outsidephilly

Oh, I don't know . . . , you can take the family out of the 'city', but you can't take the 'city' out of the family!

I said this a couple of days ago-how much of my money is going to be spent redecorating the White House and buying new china? I would bet the price tag is going to be high and the press won't be able to resist going after it.

702 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:18:57pm

re: #697 calcajun

Right. The two values we have to pull on are fiscal responsibility and smaller government. To do otherwise is to make us hypocrites.

And government should be an example of that responsibility, by practice not platitudes. . .wait, preach/choir right?

703 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:19:32pm

re: #531 Killgore Trout

White phosphors round, usually from a mortar.

704 tokyobk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:19:55pm

re: #684 calcajun

You know, I bet it's going to be boring with this couple. I mean, they are SO suburban, with the kids and all. I mean, I bet he won't even look sideways at any intern that might have "back", so to speak. It would be fun if he did, though. I can't imagine Michelle would take it like HRC did with Bill. I mean, how delicious would it be for the DC cops to make a domestic disturbance call at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? Wouldn't it be fun to think of her throwing out all his suits onto the south lawn and lighting them on fire. Sigh. It'll never happen.////

This is the part of the Obamas I love. They are like the HUxtables. Every little balck kid in the cities can look and see a loving, functional, two-parent family and know that possibility exists for them. I mean you do think it is a good thing that Obama probably won't try to bed an intern, don't you?

705 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:08pm

re: #693 DistantThunder

I'm LDS (Mormon) and there are several joke books devoted to green jello. Actually yesterday at the young men's young women's activity (12-18) they held a sit down dinner to teach manners and food preparation. We all had a great dinner with lots of homemade deserts and the kids and adults all had a good time - everyone was laughing and talking and making jokes. This was adults and teenagers together. For the boys it fulfilled one of their Duty to God requirements that is also part of the BoyScout awards, and a requirement for the girls for personal progress.

MOST LDS have a great sense of humor with regard to Jell-O. My mother-in-law is LDS.

706 calebspeaks  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:15pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

I know LGF loves to assume the worst about VB, but this is really unfair. To me, their expulsion is a good sign. It suggests that VB is not, by design, a racist party. They were just taking out the trash. Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?

I should mention, since I failed to before, I have no intention of defending the National Front. They have not shown any signs of decency, unlike VB.

707 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:19pm

re: #701 livefreeor die

I said this a couple of days ago-how much of my money is going to be spent redecorating the White House and buying new china? I would bet the price tag is going to be high and the press won't be able to resist going after it.

Do you really think the press would share this?

708 spidly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:25pm

re: #647 Charles

My answer is that it doesn't matter what the outward appearance is. At rock bottom, fascists Nazis are concerned with power; anything they think increases their power they will do. It's beyond rationality, and beyond reason -- it's only about power. This is why Vlaams Belang makes noises about supporting Israel, because they believe it will gain them legitimacy, and legitimacy is power.

None of their actions can be understood without grasping this. Alliances mean nothing; words mean nothing; firing people like the ones in this video means nothing. Except in the context of their search for power.

Just had to make the destinction here. These guys are Nazis, not fascists. Fascism does/should not have the racist connotation-authoritarian socialist social engineers, yes, but not necessarily genocidal.

709 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:41pm

re: #695 unrealizedviewpoint

Geez. Four conservative Supremes retired in just four years?
How's he gonna do that? Besides - Eight years of Bush appointments may stave off some of the damage you anticipate.
Peeling off Rhino's may happen in some instances, not all.

It is not necessary to peel off any RINOs in the Senate. All the Senate needs to do is to take a majority vote to do away with the current rule about filibusters and set the filibuster cutoff rule to a simple majority instead of 60 Senators. They won't hesitate a moment.

710 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:20:55pm

re: #701 livefreeor die

I said this a couple of days ago-how much of my money is going to be spent redecorating the White House and buying new china? I would bet the price tag is going to be high and the press won't be able to resist going after it.

You can seek help with the proper tone of scorn for those purchases by googling/researching what happened to Nancy Reagan. . .and how the press treated her purchases AND the rationale. . .

711 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #692 formercorpsman

Fascists are quite good at getting their enemies to fight amongst themselves. Why wouldn't they want iran and Israel fighting? Why wouldn't they want iran to threaten saudi arabia?

712 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:33pm

re: #708 spidly

nazis are fascists. It's the same ideology.

713 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:39pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

I know LGF loves to assume the worst about VB, but this is really unfair. To me, their expulsion is a good sign. It suggests that VB is not, by design, a racist party. They were just taking out the trash. Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

714 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:39pm

re: #689 Wishing

OMG

Good thing Mr. Blackwell is dead; that thing would've killed him!

715 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:44pm

re: #657 OldLineTexan

"...endless Jell-O dishes loaded with celery and shredded carrots?"

Celery and carrots in the jello? As if grapes and marshmellows weren't bad enough!?

716 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:21:44pm

re: #707 outsidephilly

Do you really think the press would share this?

I think they'll try not to but ultimately, their natural bottom feeding urges will get the best of them. Especially when she takes an attitude with them. They weren't too kind to Rosalyn Carter.

717 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:14pm

re: #701 livefreeor die

I said this a couple of days ago-how much of my money is going to be spent redecorating the White House and buying new china? I would bet the price tag is going to be high and the press won't be able to resist going after it.

Aren't these costs usually borne by private donations? Just like the Christmas decorations which are by private donations.

718 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:15pm

re: #452 Caliredst8r


And it's not just this one thing that looks like a replica of the Soviet Union, the whole campaign, the methods he used to brain wash people, the songs on utube that the kids were singing about Obama were almost literal translations of songs from the 1930's-1950's about Tovarisch Stalin and Dedushka (Grandpa) Lenin. It looks like nightmare deja vu! His supporters look the same way as the Russian people looked in the time of Stalin, how they adored him. I can't believe that history taught them nothing. What else can you expect from the what kids are taught, or not taught, today in American schools. I fear that my 4th grade daughter can repeat bad part of my childhood in Soviet schools here in "free" America. So, welcome to the USSA! My congratualtions to the 62,000,000 +/- who voted for Tovarisch Barack!

Any Lizard connected to the Russian immigrant community should persuade them to record their experiences. Put it on YouTube.

Good Lord the whole Obama kids sing-along is still playing in my head.

"We're gonna spread happiness
We're gonna spread freedom
Obama's gonna change it
Obama's gonna lead 'em

We're gonna change it
And rearrange it
We're gonna change the world."


AHHHHHH!

719 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:20pm

re: #713 Charles

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

Endless supply of the elixer, huh?

720 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:39pm

re: #713 Charles

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

Bitter to the last drop?

721 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:50pm

re: #663 DistantThunder

Not without a fight - and they know we have guns.

Fugedaboutit They have the trial lawyers and Congress and the Courts. First the sale or distribution of guns and ammo will be made impossible by reason of lawsuit, then Health and Safety regulations will follow, then 80% of the population will be convinced that guns are the interest only of inbred hillbillies. It will take maybe ten years tops to disarm the population or reduce those armed to the status of Whackos in Waco

722 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:22:50pm

re: #704 tokyobk

This is the part of the Obamas I love. They are like the HUxtables. Every little balck kid in the cities can look and see a loving, functional, two-parent family and know that possibility exists for them. I mean you do think it is a good thing that Obama probably won't try to bed an intern, don't you?

It would be tough to "Lewinsky" a cigarette without making a damned mess.

/

723 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:23:09pm

re: #713 Charles

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

bitter

724 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:23:39pm

re: #717 Outrider

Aren't these costs usually borne by private donations? Just like the Christmas decorations which are by private donations.

I thought I remembered Nancy Reagan getting all kinds of s--- for her china purchases and home redecorating.

The big question is: which communist countries make the best formal china?

725 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:23:50pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

I know LGF loves to assume the worst about VB, but this is really unfair. To me, their expulsion is a good sign. It suggests that VB is not, by design, a racist party. They were just taking out the trash. Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?

I even predicted this defense.

726 J.S.  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:23:57pm

re: #713 Charles

...their only "regret" is that they got caught...the biggest sin is to be publicly exposed...to have the public finding out what they really believe. Now that's cause for expulsion.

727 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:13pm

re: #705 OldLineTexan

MOST LDS have a great sense of humor with regard to Jell-O. My mother-in-law is LDS.

This is alien humor to me here in PA.

728 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:19pm

re: #721 lifeofthemind

Fugedaboutit They have the trial lawyers and Congress and the Courts. First the sale or distribution of guns and ammo will be made impossible by reason of lawsuit, then Health and Safety regulations will follow, then 80% of the population will be convinced that guns are the interest only of inbred hillbillies. It will take maybe ten years tops to disarm the population or reduce those armed to the status of Whackos in Waco

That's why God made stockpiles!

729 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:22pm

re: #716 livefreeor die

I think they'll try not to but ultimately, their natural bottom feeding urges will get the best of them. Especially when she takes an attitude with them. They weren't too kind to Rosalyn Carter.

And what about Obama's smoking . . . , I thought all government buildings were 'smoke free'?

730 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:44pm

re: #715 SummerSong

"...endless Jell-O dishes loaded with celery and shredded carrots?"

Celery and carrots in the jello? As if grapes and marshmellows weren't bad enough!?

Structurally, it's very sound. The high-strength composite of the food world.

731 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:53pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?


They'd have to dismantle the entire party. It's a racist neo-Naxi party. They only throw out the people who get caught. The VB leader, Dewinter, marched to lay flowers on Nazi graves and has a white power symbol on his bookshelf.

732 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:24:56pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

I know LGF loves to assume the worst about VB, but this is really unfair. To me, their expulsion is a good sign. It suggests that VB is not, by design, a racist party. They were just taking out the trash. Shouldn't we be applauding their decision to kick out the racists and behave like mainstream conservatives?

You are shitting me, right?

/

733 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:25:33pm

re: #729 outsidephilly

And what about Obama's smoking . . . , I thought all government buildings were 'smoke free'?

Heh! He's going to have to go outside and get constant photos of his habit taken.

734 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:25:52pm

re: #709 infidel Alan

It is not necessary to peel off any RINOs in the Senate. All the Senate needs to do is to take a majority vote to do away with the current rule about filibusters and set the filibuster cutoff rule to a simple majority instead of 60 Senators. They won't hesitate a moment.

But they risk it coming back to haunt them.

735 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:25:53pm

re: #700 calebspeaks

Stinky about to take out the trash in 5....4....3...

736 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:25:56pm

re: #724 livefreeor die

I thought I remembered Nancy Reagan getting all kinds of s--- for her china purchases and home redecorating.

The big question is: which communist countries make the best formal china?

Those with plenty of bones...

737 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:26:04pm

Fascinating. Reagan campaigned for Truman in 1948. If he was a Republican then, he crossed party lines. Apparently because he saw that Truman would take a harder line against the Communists than Dewey.

738 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:26:13pm

re: #733 livefreeor die

Heh! He's going to have to go outside and get constant photos of his habit taken.

Oh, this just gets more interesting by the day, doesn't it?

739 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #724 livefreeor die

I thought I remembered Nancy Reagan getting all kinds of s--- for her china purchases and home redecorating.

The big question is: which communist countries make the best formal china?

I remember the same hullaballoo and if i recall correctly, that was the outcome of my research----private contributions.

740 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:26:44pm

re: #568 CyanSnowHawk

I think you are refering to a thermite grenade. A WP grenade has a 35 yard bursting radius and puts out lots of smoke and burning WP. The WP sticks to skin and will burn as long as there is oxygen available. A copper sulfate solution is used to suppress it. WP rounds are usually grenades, aircraft rockets used by FAC's, mortars and arty.

741 Caliredst8r  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:27:03pm

re: #718 Sol Roth

The only trouble with that is I wouldn't want my wife's face to be seen by the caring and tolerant followers of our President Elect. They might try and track her down to "thank" her for her contribution to the civil discourse that will be alive and well during O's reign.

742 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:27:53pm

That "we had nothing to do with it! they're fired!" smokescreen is the same thing they tried to pull when David Duke stayed at the house of a local council member of the Vlaams Belang.

743 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #571 erisldysnomia

They can't stop offshore shortwave transmitters that people like Rush, Hannity et al could easily afford.

Shortwave radios are also very cheap and abundant.

YES! Unfortunately, they have fallen out of style since Manbearpig miracled the intartube into existence.

Buy one anyway folks.

744 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:28:07pm

re: #729 outsidephilly

And what about Obama's smoking . . . , I thought all government buildings were 'smoke free'?

Same as Clintons. Step out on the porch. Congressmen can smoke in their offices though. Remember the fiasco with Ellison (I think) back in early 2007 and somebody smoking in the next office?

745 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:28:12pm

re: #699 CIA Reject

Nope--probably backward. Look for people to die this winter from CO asphyxiation because the used the out door grill to heat their home.

746 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:28:35pm

re: #738 outsidephilly

Oh, this just gets more interesting by the day, doesn't it?

My husband has been trying to cheer me up by pointing out the fact that Barry's not running anymore, has to make actual decisions, and make his opinions known on things. All the unicorns and shiny pretty objects he promised are going to come due.

747 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:28:35pm

re: #741 Caliredst8r

The only trouble with that is I wouldn't want my wife's face to be seen by the caring and tolerant followers of our President Elect. They might try and track her down to "thank" her for her contribution to the civil discourse that will be alive and well during O's reign.

W few months ago I would have called you crazy.

Truth is, we have no idea what he has up his sleeve.

/btw, did anyone notice how subdued he was during his victory speech? Almost robotic, not as "rousing" as he has been before. Kind of creepy.

748 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:29:32pm

re: #739 Outrider

I remember the same hullaballoo and if i recall correctly, that was the outcome of my research----private contributions.

The press didn't care. They beat her up about it anyway. It fed their agenda that all Republicans are rich elites.

For years the White House had gone to shambles. When the Reagans came in, Nancy was horrified at the shabbiness of the walls and the furnishings. She tried to restore it to a semblance of grace and beauty. The Carters had let it rundown. But the press decided it was a good story to play the 'gotcha' game with.

749 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:29:44pm

re: #702 DisturbedEma

Damn straight. The people running the GOP have lost the "faith". Folks like Boehner and co. have to go. McConnell could stay on, but who else is there in the Senate?

750 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:30:05pm

Hey, you know, not all members of the SS were bad people.

/wink wink, nudge nudge

751 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:30:07pm

re: #721 lifeofthemind

Fugedaboutit They have the trial lawyers and Congress and the Courts. First the sale or distribution of guns and ammo will be made impossible by reason of lawsuit, then Health and Safety regulations will follow, then 80% of the population will be convinced that guns are the interest only of inbred hillbillies. It will take maybe ten years tops to disarm the population or reduce those armed to the status of Whackos in Waco

They'll be goosestepping over layers of their komrades' corpses during those 10 years. Trust me on this.

752 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:30:16pm

re: #631 WrathofG-d

Now doesn't that deserve its own thread!

[sigh]

I miss him.

And the worst part is, when he was in office, I didn't appreciate him. (Brainwashed liberal... I just knew I was smarter than Reagan.)

753 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #747 astronmr20

W few months ago I would have called you crazy.

Truth is, we have no idea what he has up his sleeve.

/btw, did anyone notice how subdued he was during his victory speech? Almost robotic, not as "rousing" as he has been before. Kind of creepy.

Was it his dawning realization that he's promised milllions of people things he can't possibly deliver? If they thought it was bad when a few of his campaign workers got stiffed today...

754 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:30:54pm

re: #744 Outrider

Same as Clintons. Step out on the porch. Congressmen can smoke in their offices though. Remember the fiasco with Ellison (I think) back in early 2007 and somebody smoking in the next office?

No, I didn't know anything about that . . . . . , I need to start paying attention to these matters.
. . . . , Obama's gonna fix the Health care system with input from the tobacco companies.

755 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:31:43pm

re: #754 outsidephilly

No, I didn't know anything about that . . . . . , I need to start paying attention to these matters.
. . . . , Obama's gonna fix the Health care system with input from the tobacco companies.

The Secret Service won't have to worry about daily five mile jogs anymore.

756 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:32:04pm

re: #752 Occasional Reader

Every liberal was convinced they were smarter than Reagan.

Republicans are always stupid, especially the conservative ones.

757 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:32:14pm

re: #748 mama winger

The press didn't care. They beat her up about it anyway. It fed their agenda that all Republicans are rich elites.

For years the White House had gone to shambles. When the Reagans came in, Nancy was horrified at the shabbiness of the walls and the furnishings. She tried to restore it to a semblance of grace and beauty. The Carters had let it rundown. But the press decided it was a good story to play the 'gotcha' game with.

I remember. It was appalling.

758 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #746 livefreeor die

My husband has been trying to cheer me up by pointing out the fact that Barry's not running anymore, has to make actual decisions, and make his opinions known on things. All the unicorns and shiny pretty objects he promised are going to come due.

Well, with the economic woes before him I wonder if he's thinking he is in way over his head . . . . .

759 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:32:40pm

re: #742 Charles

That "we had nothing to do with it! they're fired!" smokescreen is the same thing they tried to pull when David Duke stayed at the house of a local council member of the Vlaams Belang.

Charles, I can tell you that the only time in my life I have ever voted Democrat was when Duke ran against Edward for governor. I voted for the crook.

760 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:01pm

re: #704 tokyobk

I think the Obamas present an excellent image as a family, and I pray that it will inspire inner city kids. (It doesn't hurt that the little Obama girls are so pretty and adorable, too....even more so than the Huxtable kids!)

761 infidel Alan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:04pm

re: #734 erisldysnomia

But they risk it coming back to haunt them.

When will it come back to haunt them? Do you seriously think they will ever allow the Republican party back into power once they have control of the electoral apparatus? They are totalitarians--communists--and you are going to personally experience the joys of socialist revolution. Wake up and smell the coffee.

762 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:05pm

I had no idea what that smell was wafting in from that large compound just outside of town.

/wink wink, nudge nudge

763 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:13pm

re: #755 livefreeor die

The Secret Service won't have to worry about daily five mile jogs anymore.

Da-uh, see, another thing I didn't think about . . . .

764 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:19pm

re: #753 livefreeor die

Was it his dawning realization that he's promised milllions of people things he can't possibly deliver? If they thought it was bad when a few of his campaign workers got stiffed today...

"HE told me to say it! HE told me to promise those things!"
"Who? Who told you, Barry?"
"Geo .... owowowoowowowowowowowowwww!"
"Who?"
"So .... owowowowowowowowowowoowowwowwwwwwww"
"Barry, why do you keep clutching your head and screaming when you try to say the name?"
"IT'S A CHIP! THEY PUT A CHIP IN MY HEAD!"

765 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:33:21pm

re: #695 unrealizedviewpoint

Geez. Four conservative Supremes retired in just four years?
How's he gonna do that? Besides - Eight years of Bush appointments may stave off some of the damage you anticipate.
Peeling off Rhino's may happen in some instances, not all.

In fairness, older liberal Justices are retiring also, nevertheless many Justices and Judges have held on waiting for a Democratic administration before retiring and the Congress has refused to fill vacancies so that they'd be waiting for a new administration. The impact will be devastating and will last for decades.

766 formercorpsman  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

Yeah, pretty much what I am driving at. Pretty much what I was trying to talk about from the get go. Since there a number of people here who understand those groups the way I would relate to American political process here, it just interested me if anyone with more of an inside the circle grasp of the situation would know more about it.

My questioning was never a dismissal of who they are, what their aim is, or whether or not they have any shred of legitimacy. They don't, never said it, never insinuated it.

I don't trust them, I don't plan on trusting them, or try to find some avenue of thinking because these 2 scum were kicked out, that somehow bestows some level of honesty among them. It does not.

767 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:34:34pm

re: #693 DistantThunder

I'm LDS (Mormon) and there are several joke books devoted to green jello. Actually yesterday at the young men's young women's activity (12-18) they held a sit down dinner to teach manners and food preparation. We all had a great dinner with lots of homemade deserts and the kids and adults all had a good time - everyone was laughing and talking and making jokes. This was adults and teenagers together. For the boys it fulfilled one of their Duty to God requirements that is also part of the BoyScout awards, and a requirement for the girls for personal progress.

I am Hasidic. We are kind of like the Mormons, except with adult beverages and awesome food.

768 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:34:40pm

re: #764 Tigger2005

those darn CHIPS!

769 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:34:45pm

re: #695 unrealizedviewpoint

The oldest members of the court also happen to be the most liberal - Stevens (1920). Ginsberg is also in poor health (born 1933). Scalia and Kennedy are both the same age, but are both in good health (born 1936). Breyer (1938) and Souter (1939) are only a few years younger than Ginsberg. Thomas (1948), Alito (1950) and Roberts (1955) are in good health and far younger than the others.

If there are going to be changes on the court in the next few years, it's most likely going to be a swap of Ginsberg or Stevens for another liberal. It would be an entrechment of the current split on the court. Kennedy is the swing vote generally, and if he retires, that will make a difference on outcomes.

770 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:35:01pm

re: #730 OldLineTexan

Structurally, it's very sound. The high-strength composite of the food world.

It's...it's perverted! I suppose you even eat orange and lemon flavored Jello? I have never tasted either of those. I don't like the way they look at me! ;)

771 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:35:07pm

re: #752 Occasional Reader

[sigh]

I miss him.

And the worst part is, when he was in office, I didn't appreciate him. (Brainwashed liberal... I just knew I was smarter than Reagan.)

Don't feel bad, OR. I was a member of the CPUSA while he was president. Well, not the whole time but, still.

772 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #741 Caliredst8r

The only trouble with that is I wouldn't want my wife's face to be seen by the caring and tolerant followers of our President Elect. They might try and track her down to "thank" her for her contribution to the civil discourse that will be alive and well during O's reign.

I understand completely and that's a shame. In my day, she would have been celebrated as a hero. But there are ways to mask someone's identity. Also, you will notice less reluctance to talk about the past among those who are closer to their mortality. By that I mean seasoned citizens, gulag survivors and military veterans.

Your wife's story can save a nation. Don't discount its importance.

773 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #758 outsidephilly

Well, with the economic woes before him I wonder if he's thinking he is in way over his head . . . . .

huh. He ain't the only one with that thought on his mind. ;-)>

774 JeremyR  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:36:15pm

re: #750 Killian Bundy

Hey, you know, not all members of the SS were bad people.

/wink wink, nudge nudge

Really? does that good guy have a name?

775 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:36:26pm

re: #745 calcajun

Nope--probably backward. Look for people to die this winter from CO asphyxiation because the used the out door grill to heat their home.

Same as 30 years ago.

I was a fireman back then and we had a LOT of asphxyations and burned down houses from people who couldn't afford to heat their homes properly.

776 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:36:30pm

re: #746 livefreeor die

My husband has been trying to cheer me up by pointing out the fact that Barry's not running anymore, has to make actual decisions, and make his opinions known on things. All the unicorns and shiny pretty objects he promised are going to come due.

Yes, and leftists flip from adoration to hate very fast.

Just ask David Horowitz.

777 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:37:17pm

What's that video from? "Aryan Funniest Videos"?

/heavy sarc

778 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:37:23pm

re: #774 JeremyR

Really? does that good guy have a name?

/no

779 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:37:33pm

re: #770 SummerSong

It's...it's perverted! I suppose you even eat orange and lemon flavored Jello? I have never tasted either of those. I don't like the way they look at me! ;)

I've been known to mix the flavors when no one's looking.

I was actually served lemon Jell-O with celery many times as a child, and we weren't Mormons (LDS).

780 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:37:37pm

re: #767 Alouette

I am Hasidic. We are kind of like the Mormons, except with adult beverages and awesome food.

LOL... never quite thought of it that way.

But there's no WAY you're more polite! (It just isn't possible.)

781 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:37:38pm

re: #724 livefreeor die

I thought I remembered Nancy Reagan getting all kinds of s--- for her china purchases and home redecorating.

The big question is: which communist countries make the best formal china?

That's like asking who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

782 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:38:03pm

re: #775 CIA Reject

Same as 30 years ago.

I was a fireman back then and we had a LOT of asphxyations and burned down houses from people who couldn't afford to heat their homes properly.

Wait, won't Kennedy get oil for them from his friends?

783 Charles  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:38:10pm

re: #776 erisldysnomia

Yes, and leftists flip from adoration to hate very fast.

Just ask David Horowitz.

It's not just leftists who flip from friendship to hatred at the drop of a hat. This is a human thing, and it crosses all party lines.

Trust me on this.

784 saberry0530  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:38:26pm

Question? What happens the the Big Zero votes "present" on all the bills presented to him for signature? Do they become law without endorsement and signature?

785 Alouette  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:05pm

re: #780 Occasional Reader

LOL... never quite thought of it that way.

But there's no WAY you're more polite! (It just isn't possible.)

Polite? What the hell is that? Some kind of jello casserole?

786 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:19pm

re: #713 Charles

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

It's sweetened with Pure White Sugar.

787 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:22pm

re: #770 SummerSong

It's...it's perverted! I suppose you even eat orange and lemon flavored Jello? I have never tasted either of those. I don't like the way they look at me! ;)

Heh. in the Army we never called Jello or Kool-Ade by their flavors as rarely did you ever encounter any. it was always purple kool-ade or red jello, or some of that green moving sh*t over there.

788 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:25pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Don't feel bad, OR. I was a member of the CPUSA while he was president. Well, not the whole time but, still.

Dang, Mandy.

I think you win the "recovered from idiotarianism" prize.

789 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:40pm

re: #775 CIA Reject

Same as 30 years ago.

I was a fireman back then and we had a LOT of asphxyations and burned down houses from people who couldn't afford to heat their homes properly.

That's may happen in the philly area because Mayor Nutter is closing several Fire Stations - yeah know, he has to save money some where.

790 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:44pm

re: #761 infidel Alan

When will it come back to haunt them? Do you seriously think they will ever allow the Republican party back into power once they have control of the electoral apparatus? They are totalitarians--communists--and you are going to personally experience the joys of socialist revolution.

The next few years will be a real test of the Founding Fathers' wisdom for sure.

791 calebspeaks  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:39:48pm

re: #713 Charles

How does that fascist Koolaid taste?

So anybody who thinks VB might not be exactly as you see it is drinking the Koolaid? Good to know.

792 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:40:05pm

re: #775 CIA Reject

Same as 30 years ago.

I was a fireman back then and we had a LOT of asphxyations and burned down houses from people who couldn't afford to heat their homes properly.

Hans.

793 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:40:12pm

re: #776 erisldysnomia

Yes, and leftists flip from adoration to hate very fast.

Just ask David Horowitz.

I bet on "It means I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage or putting gas in my car" woman leading the angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

794 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:41:14pm

re: #784 saberry0530

Question? What happens the the Big Zero votes "present" on all the bills presented to him for signature? Do they become law without endorsement and signature?

Look up "pocket veto".

795 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:41:23pm

re: #783 Charles

It's not just leftists who flip from friendship to hatred at the drop of a hat. This is a human thing, and it crosses all party lines.

Trust me on this.

How DARE you say that.

From Hell's heart, I stab at thee!

For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

796 erisldysnomia  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:41:39pm

re: #753 livefreeor die

? If they thought it was bad when a few of his campaign workers got stiffed today...

What's that about?

797 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:42:00pm

re: #779 OldLineTexan

I've been known to mix the flavors when no one's looking.

I was actually served lemon Jell-O with celery many times as a child, and we weren't Mormons (LDS).

Ah well, to each their own. You would agree with me, though, that nuts in brownies are the devil's work? Blechhhh!

798 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:42:04pm

re: #774 JeremyR

Really? does that good guy have a name?

I wish McCain had won the other day. I wanted to take your avatar, blow it up, and use it for a bumper sticker.

/over

799 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:42:13pm

re: #679 mama winger

Got bumped by the Republican elites.

At that point, he hadn't been elected to anything other than president of the Screen Actors Guild. It was that speech that got people interested in him running for Governor of California.

800 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:42:40pm

We're not fascists.

/hey, look at that cute little puppy over there

801 JeremyR  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:05pm

re: #778 Killian Bundy

/no

Their version of the unknown soldier?
Bradleys boys didn't necessarily make members of the SS good, but they made quite a few of them a little better. turned them into right cool characters.
A visitor to the pentagon asked Chesty Puller why it was tha there were tombs for unknown soldiers, sailors and airmen, but none for the unknown Marine to which Chesty is rumored to have replied "there is NO unknow Marine."

802 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:19pm

re: #791 calebspeaks

Anyone who wants to give nazis the benefit of the doubt has no one but themselves to blame for their fleas.

803 Outrider  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:24pm

re: #792 Outrider

Hans.

Don't know how it responded to #775. I clicked on #774. Mouse slipped perhaps? Sure porked the puppy on that joke though. ;-)>

804 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:31pm

re: #787 Outrider

Heh. in the Army we never called Jello or Kool-Ade by their flavors as rarely did you ever encounter any. it was always purple kool-ade or red jello, or some of that green moving sh*t over there.

LOL Outrider, glad I missed that culinary experience!

805 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:40pm

re: #799 Dar ul Harb

At that point, he hadn't been elected to anything other than president of the Screen Actors Guild. It was that speech that got people interested in him running for Governor of California.

I may be thinking of 1976 then ?

806 Sol Roth  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:43:50pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Don't feel bad, OR. I was a member of the CPUSA while he was president. Well, not the whole time but, still.

Gee Mandy, that took guts to admit. Wow. Were you on drugs at the time?

807 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:44:03pm

re: #798 Ward Cleaver

I wish McCain had won the other day. I wanted to take your avatar, blow it up, and use it for a bumper sticker.

/over

Save the image for Jan 20th, 2013.

808 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:44:04pm

re: #797 SummerSong

Ah well, to each their own. You would agree with me, though, that nuts in brownies are the devil's work? Blechhhh!

Pecans or walnuts? Consider your answer carefully...

///

809 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:44:05pm

Just watched the video. Completely and utterly despicable.

810 JeremyR  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:44:40pm

re: #794 OldLineTexan

Look up "pocket veto".

Since Soros has him in his pocket, and the congress sewn up, will there be any?

811 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:45:21pm

I have four cats. My littlest one, when she poops - it smells up the whole house.

This video is kinda like that.

812 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:45:51pm

re: #26 Lucius Septimius

Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all that.

I prefer using Raid.

/raid!

813 Zippy_Slug  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:45:54pm

Wow.. didn't know one issue had so many conservative blogs butting heads..

Is there a short-simple backstory? or it is to complicated to my fly-like attention span?

814 lifeofthemind  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:06pm

re: #780 Occasional Reader

LOL... never quite thought of it that way.

But there's no WAY you're more polite! (It just isn't possible.)

Some years ago I knew Teresa Nielsen Hayden who wrote a description of her excommunication from the LDS that stressed how painfully polite everyone was.

815 loppyd  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:10pm

We can all use some good news...and I am happy to deliver it.

Globe lays off up to 40 in ‘bloodbath’

The Boston Globe terminated as many as 40 high-level employees today, various employees told the Herald.

“The cold, hard hatchet was coming down all day,” one Globe employee said. “It was a bloodbath.”

Throughout the day, various department managers escorted the senior level, non-union employees out of the paper’s Morrissey Boulevard headquarters. Sources said those impacted people worked on the business side of the paper - in the advertising, production and strategic planning departments.

“It’s disgusting and disgraceful,” Boston Newspaper Guild president Daniel Totten said.

Just like their biased "reporting."

816 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:13pm

re: #800 Killian Bundy

We're not fascists.

/hey, look at that cute little puppy over there

A German shepherd, right?

817 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:13pm

re: #781 Alouette

That's like asking who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

Actually that's a trick question- like "What color was George Washington's white horse?"

818 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:34pm

re: #737 Tigger2005

Fascinating. Reagan campaigned for Truman in 1948. If he was a Republican then, he crossed party lines. Apparently because he saw that Truman would take a harder line against the Communists than Dewey.

Remember as well that Hillary Clinton started out campaigning for Goldwater.

819 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:43pm

re: #815 loppyd

We can all use some good news...and I am happy to deliver it.

Globe lays off up to 40 in ‘bloodbath’

Just like their biased "reporting."

Justice.

820 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:45pm

Pol Pot rebuilt Cambodia, he was just misunderstood.

/wink wink, nudge nudge

821 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:46:59pm

re: #810 JeremyR

Since Soros has him in his pocket, and the congress sewn up, will there be any?

I am waiting to see how it plays out.

Logic tells me they will pass laws left and left.

History tells me they will argue and eventually rip each other's throats out.

822 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:47:10pm

re: #817 CIA Reject

Actually that's a trick question- like "What color was George Washington's white horse?"

White horse? RACIST!

823 loppyd  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:47:43pm

re: #819 Ward Cleaver

Justice.

Delicious.

824 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:47:47pm

re: #811 mama winger

I have four cats. My littlest one, when she poops - it smells up the whole house.

This video is kinda like that.

If you buy that handgun, be sure to teach your cats gun safety.

825 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:48:01pm

re: #817 CIA Reject

Actually that's a trick question- like "What color was George Washington's white horse?"

The truly correct answer is "gray."

826 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:48:03pm

re: #752 Occasional Reader

[sigh]

I miss him.

And the worst part is, when he was in office, I didn't appreciate him. (Brainwashed liberal... I just knew I was smarter than Reagan.)

I loved the man. I was ten when Carter was elected, and it wasn't difficult to see what a mess he was making of things. By the time of the Iran hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, I knew precisely what the stakes were. At fourteen as I watched him take the oath of office I never felt prouder to be an American. I cast my first vote for him in 1984 at 18.

827 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:48:04pm

Tom Coburn of OK. He's loyal to our side and firmly pro-life without being crazy.

829 Tigger2005  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:48:51pm

re: #788 Occasional Reader

Dang, Mandy.

I think you win the "recovered from idiotarianism" prize.

My best bud was a member of the Communist party in Venezuela as a teenager. Today, he wishes he could put a bullet through Chavez' head.

830 Throbert McGee  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:48:54pm

Hmmm... I tried reposting the link about this story at Discarded Lies -- this time as a comment within an existing thread rather than by creating a new thread for it. But minutes later, as if by magic, my comment disappeared!

So I posted a new comment -- and, again, within a few minutes, it vanished.

It appears I've been effectively banned from the blog that doesn't ban anyone.

831 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:49:17pm

re: #774 JeremyR

Really? does that good guy have a name?

Gunter Grass?

832 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:49:45pm

re: #824 Occasional Reader

If you buy that handgun, be sure to teach your cats gun safety.

I will teach at least three of them. The fourth I'm not that crazy about.

833 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:49:49pm

re: #831 Dar ul Harbarian

Gunter Grass?

Loved that Flounder book.

834 CIA Reject  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:16pm

re: #825 goddessoftheclassroom

The truly correct answer is "gray."

Correct! And President AND MRS. Grant are buried in Grant's Tomb.

835 SummerSong  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:20pm

re: #808 OldLineTexan

Pecans or walnuts? Consider your answer carefully...

///

I'm allergic to walnuts...I only like pecans in pecan pie. I'm a very disciplined eater...

No nuts in brownies or cookies or cakes!

836 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:22pm

re: #813 Zippy_Slug

Is there a short-simple backstory?

Sure:

"Nazis. I hate these guys."

-I. Jones

837 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:30pm

re: #827 Dark_Falcon

Tom Coburn of OK. He's loyal to our side and firmly pro-life without being crazy.

And he's a great budget hawk. The real anti-earmark guy.

838 code red 21  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:44pm

I've never understood the hatred of Jews in the world and I never will. This is sickening.

839 mama winger  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:50:46pm

re: #820 Killian Bundy

This is for you.

840 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:51:06pm

re: #831 Dar ul Harbarian

Gunter Grass?

Ha! He just went from being one type of socialist to another. He has never learned anything important.

841 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:51:20pm

re: #830 Throbert McGee

That tactic reminds me of something. Let me think.....

842 loppyd  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:51:32pm

I am full of good news tonight...

Jury convicts ex-FBI agent John Connolly in 1982 killing

MIAMI - Former FBI agent John Connolly was convicted todayof second-degree murder for leaking information to Boston mobsters that led to the 1982 shooting death of a gambling executive who also had ties to gangsters.

Connolly, who showed no emotion when the verdict was read, long denied involvement in Callahan’s killing. Connolly was convicted in 2002 of racketeering because of his corrupt relationship with Bulger and Flemmi, including a 1995 tip that enabled Bulger to escape arrest and begin a life on the run that continues to this day. Bulger is one of the FBI’s "Ten Most Wanted" fugitives, with a $2 million bounty for his capture.

843 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:51:37pm

re: #771 MandyManners

Don't feel bad, OR. I was a member of the CPUSA while he was president. Well, not the whole time but, still.

You, you ...neoconservative!

;0

844 Iron Fist  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 6:51:45pm

re: #633 infidel Alan

Yeah calling for the government to suppress those with whom you have policy disagreements is sure to influence people. It influences me. I used to support gay marriage, but the voiciferous proponents of it have convinced me that I was wrong.

Gay marriage isn't about fairness. It is about changing the fabric of our society by force. No thanks.