Overnight Open Thread

Charles Johnsonfollow me on twitter
Open • Thu Nov 6, 2008 at 11:10 pm PST • Views: 120

It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.

Taylor Benson

Advertisement

1509 comments

  • Comments do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:10:24pm

Here

2 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:10pm

So, I was talking to myself the other night...

3 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:19pm

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Here

Hear, hear!

4 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:26pm

...and I suddenly heard a knock at the door...

5 Gus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:43pm

As long as you don't argue with yourself you'll be fine.

6 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:56pm

...and it was Moe Katz, carrying a DEAD BODY?

7 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:12:26pm

Here ...AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?

8 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:12:56pm

Getting ready for bed and am thinking silly thoughts.

Like taking the news footage of the upcoming inauguration and playing it to the theme music from "The Jeffersons"

9 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:13:00pm

re: #7 Nightwatch

Here ...AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?

Er, that wasn't me. I just got in from work at 11:30. I'm trying to wind down.

10 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:13:04pm

And...?

11 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:13:50pm

What did he do with the dead body?

12 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:20pm

re: #11 wolfie

What did he do with the dead body?

It was part of a zombie boxed lunch.

13 Meremortal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:42pm

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

14 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:58pm

Present.

15 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:21pm

Another wonderful night on the town. Wassup? Just got back in.

16 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:23pm

re: #13 Meremortal

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

The future sure ain't what it used to be.

17 wolfie  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:35pm

re: #14 Pvt Bin Jammin

Barry? Is that you?

18 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:55pm

re: #15 rawmuse

Just got back in myself.

19 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:59pm

Here is a phony article I posted on a article thread on MSNBC last year...

I found this article on Advertisers Forum Press, a internet based website trade journal. After I clipped and pasted the text of the article, I went back to the site to clip and paste the URL, but the article had already been taken down. If anyone else saw this article and knows the original link, please post it here. Until then, here is the text.

AFP (4-19-2007) Advertisers Forum Press has learned that NBC/MSNBC has announce a pre-slotted advertising buy campaign that will air during news segments that cover any future national tragedies such as the Vtech massacre.

Lloyd Johnson, a VP of sales at NBC/MSNBC, outlined the new advertising program. “Since it is apparent that NBC/MSNBC will now become the go to network for psychotic mass murderers and other such deranged individuals, it only seemed natural that we give our loyal advertisers a chance to get a jump on their competitors. These pre-slotted sales will enable advertisers to purchase air time that will run against any future news broadcasts of incidents like Vtech and Columbine. The advertiser won’t even have to make a phone call to the network. We will automatically select a current running ad that belongs to the client and place it into the ad rotation.”

When asked about the possibility of placing misappropriate ads into the air slots, Mr. Johnson quipped “Well, we certainly will review the selected ads to make sure that the contents would not put our advertisers in a bad light. I mean… we would be careful not to place a hamburger franchise ad up against a story about an employee going postal in a meat packing plant. After all, NBC/MSNBC is known for it’s sensitivity.”

20 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:17pm

re: #9 Walter L. Newton


Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

21 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:24pm

The dead body is mine and I must put it to bed. 'Night all.

22 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:37pm

Everybody that is any good at jazz is dead. Even the live ones.
Some would kill for it.

23 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:41pm

re: #13 Meremortal

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

Hey, Mere, what are you doing next Wed. night. Email me, I have something to tell you about.

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:45pm

re: #17 wolfie

LOL

25 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:17:42pm

re: #20 Nightwatch

Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

Were they "high fiven" it during procedures?

26 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:18:46pm

re: #7 Nightwatch

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

27 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:18:47pm
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.

That's really profound.

28 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:18:52pm

High fives are out. Fist bumps are in.

29 Meremortal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:19:28pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Roger.

30 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:19:39pm

What if they had an open thread and none of the avatars came?

31 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:08pm

Avatars get turned off again? I am back for a bit. Got sucked into a Connections channel on youtube. Given me some great material to work an essay on. 1978, was a great year, and since it was pre-global warming it has some excellent material to hit people over the head with.

/heh heh heh heh. *very evil grin*

32 gop_patriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:14pm

re: #30 Fenway_Nation

LOL

33 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:28pm

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

I haven't seen any massive partying in the streets as reported by every news agency in the world.

No Europeans have raced up to me and planted a big wet kiss on me as European men are prone to do...especially to other men.

What I have seen is life goes on as normal. Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap about 0bama or any other person we Americans elect as president? Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap what the US does at all? The Democrat Party would be sad indeed if they have seen what I've seen. I was hoping for at least a free beer...that's 5 Euros!

34 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:33pm

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

Bigger news than the election results is what's coming next: Specifically, the so-called Fairness Doctrine. On Election Day, a Fox News host interviewed Senator Chuck Schumer of New York. Schumer made it plainly clear that the strengthened Democratic congressional majority plans to reinstate the Doctrine next year. This would require radio stations to take conservative radio hosts off the air unless they do the impossible: Find liberal radio hosts with comparable numbers of viewers. It's censorship without having to call it censorship. The Fox host asked Senator Schumer how he can justify doing this to a private, for-profit radio station operating without any government funds. Schumer's response was chilling. He said: "The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air. I am for that… But you can’t say government hands off in one area to a commercial enterprise but you are allowed to intervene in another."

Schumer wants to extend censorship beyond the marginal area of pornography to the much more serious area of ideas and political speech. Will opponents of the Orwellian-Randian sounding "Fairness Doctrine" rise to call it what it is? Will there be the equivalent of a Boston Tea Party in defense of free speech? Or will freedom of speech die in the United States of America without a wimper?

Here's what this is really about: Dissension. The new face of modern-day liberalism is one of intolerance -- specifically, intolerance of all dissension. For decades now, we have seen this attitude among liberal intellectuals on college campuses who use federal funds and federal regulations to keep out any opinion which departs from left-wing orthodoxy. Now, that mentality has at last arrived in Congress and at the White House.

This very column you are reading -- though not as high-profile as Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity -- is just one example of dissension. Dissension is all over the Internet, cable and broadcast media, and all throughout the land. Where will dissension be after 4-8 years of the new regime now moving into Washington DC?

Stay tuned -- while you still can.

35 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:34pm

Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:38pm

re: #20 Nightwatch

Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

Hope everything is okay, E. R. wise. I've had nothing but the "high fiving Obamanites" too, until tonight. Our young republican friends came in tonight to our local restaurant. What a nice break.

37 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:50pm

Ah, the overnight thread is here. Now I can go to bed.

Weet dreams, fellow lizards... :D

38 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:40pm

G'Night, NomadOfNorad!

39 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:44pm

re: #33 rightwinger3

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

What country?

40 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:46pm

Walking with the missus and one of the Akitas tonight when we passed a 7-11. As usual, some teen/young adult was playing their car radio very loud. it was an African American female who yelled Obama as she walked out of the store. She drove out the parking lot past us and shouted to me and the missus "Obama" . It sounded more like a shout of joy--but there was a bit of a nose rubbing edge in her voice.

I am resolved that should I ever hear another AA shout such a thing, I will, in polite company, reply "Gesundheit". In less polite company, I'll say what David Allen Grier said on "Chocolate News"; "Don't fuck it up."

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:46pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...

Snow is racist.

42 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:22:31pm

re: #28 rawmuse

High fives are out. Fist bumps are in.

What's that? Fisting is in?

43 stonemason  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

44 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:05pm

re: #42 calcajun

What's that? Fisting is in?

Only if you are in the government, and only to the taxpayers and rich folk.

45 Gus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:17pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.

/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.

46 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:22pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.

47 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:23pm

re: #37 NomadOfNorad

Nite, 'weet dreams. I am not long for the world either.

48 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:46pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Snow is racist.

Hey, I'm 18 miles from Boulder. Our snow is a rainbow of color, happy little snowflakes, we save everyone of them, in our freezers, and take them out in the summer...

49 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:06pm

re: #34 gmsc

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

Everyone go and Digg that article. I just did.

50 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:10pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.

/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.

Not the ones I build. You'd be amazed what you can do with carrots and some briquettes.

51 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:11pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Look, I have sinned(Flamed) and have just plain been metered-pegged wrong some times, but I have always taken my return flame without flinching from the baking!

I will say it, I will not go to a bunker and wait out this storm.

52 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:13pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

What country?

Italy.

53 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:54pm

re: #33 rightwinger3


I imagine the majority of Euros who may have given a shit about 0bama were of the Sgrena ilk or Bader-Meinhoff hangers-on.

54 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:19pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.

Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.

55 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:26pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.

Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.

Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.

56 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:29pm

re: #43 stonemason

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."

57 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:53pm

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

It's dugg.

58 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:10pm

re: #54 calcajun

Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.

Yeah, California sucks.

59 Meremortal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:48pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.


+
*young darlings*? *San Francisco sucks?*

Do you have to be so graphic?

60 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:54pm

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

Everyone go and Digg that article. I just did.

Dugg before I posted it!

61 mean Gene  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:20pm

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

62 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:51pm

re: #58 rawmuse

Yeah, California sucks.

California is a vacuum cleaner?

/

63 Meremortal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:53pm

re: #52 rightwinger3

I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?

64 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:28:13pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.

Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

65 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:08pm

re: #61 mean Gene

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

Jong is a god. His umbra is not natural. Easy explaination.

66 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:12pm

re: #61 mean Gene

Those are the most ill fitting pants I have ever seen. I mean on the 2 guys adjacent to Dear Leader. Looks like a 44 inseam being worn by with 28" legs.

67 ThingFish  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:18pm

re: #33 rightwinger3

Rightwinger,
I'm not in Europe. I'm normally in Japan. I happen to be currently in the US on vacation and suffering from jetlag. But to add to your comment. While in the Tokyo/Narita airport I saw a newsreport of Japanese celebrating the victory of Obama. The location was a little town named "Obama" so I'm sure of that... (they are so superficial sometimes.). So I think there may be pockets of people worldwide pulling for Obama. But I doubt it is as widespread as it will
inevitably be reported.

68 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:50pm

re: #52 rightwinger3

Italy.


Wow...right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.

69 calcajun  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:04pm

nite all.

70 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:05pm

Must...pass...out...

weet dreams

71 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:26pm

re: #63 Meremortal

I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?

Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.

72 ThingFish  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:49pm

re: #40 calcajun

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I think that Obama has a golden opportunity... I'm very afraid that he will f*ck it up.

73 leftover54  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:31:05pm

WHAT dreams ?...Oh, I see. Its late, double vision here !

74 leftover54  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:16pm

re: #70 RememberSekhmet?

WHAT dreams ?...Oh, I see. Its late, double vision here !


/fixed.

75 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:29pm

re: #64 rightwinger3

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

I have been in Leadville in the dead of winter. Granted, not there to stay, but I have spent a week there. Still loved it.

And my moonbat ex-girlfriend of two year back had a house in Russel Gulch, which is sitting at 9000 feet, right above Central City. Russel Gulch is a ghost town, gold mining ghost town. Most of the town faces east, against the up slope, you can see all the way down to Blackhawk.

Really brisk up there.

76 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:29pm

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Wow...right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.

Fenway, it's very expensive here. It's a great place to visit on the company dime though.

77 ThingFish  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:35pm

Leftover... I'm surely enroute to double vision, but hanging fine... Dealing with jetlag.

78 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:03pm

re: #26 Moe Katz

The fight is on, Moe, you must know this, the fight is ON! America lives or dies in the next four years. Not a comic book, not a sit-com, not a made for TV movie or blogg tag . I am going all the way with this! Charles, back me, or ban me!

79 logboy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:13pm

re: #64 rightwinger3

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

80 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:20pm

re: #76 rightwinger3

My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.

81 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:37:04pm

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

I have been there, but it was a long time ago. Tito was in power. The Adriatic coast (Split and Dubrovnik) were absolutely gorgeous, very much like southern California in terms of weather and food. The old town of Dubrovnik was very nice. I hear the war was not kind to Dubrovnik. I wonder what it is like today.

82 esch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:39:29pm

It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.

I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.

A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.

83 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:25pm

re: #79 logboy

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.

And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.

Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.

But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.

84 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:32pm

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

Here's some hope and change for you...

Barack Obama will require students to partake in 50 of community service in middle and high school and 100 hours in college.

Via LGF Quick Links.

Don't think for a minute that this won't include some kind of indoctrination:

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

At one time in our history church groups would volunteer to assist their community.

Now, we have the Church of Obama.

Maybe this helps explain the sudden surge in firearm sales.

Related... This was timely.

Claudia Rosett wrote more about Obama's ideas that subordinate individual freedom to the collective.

This is getting a little scary.

85 Meremortal  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:54pm

re: #71 rightwinger3

Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.

Bravo!

That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!

86 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:42:27pm

re: #79 logboy

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

Excellent logboy! I love CO and I could do the mountains and snow for a weekend or so but any more than that...I'll have to see how snowboards do on the Dunes!

87 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:42:29pm

Heading off myself, bon nuit.

88 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:02pm

Wish I could stick around with my Lizard friends but I am exhausted. Take care, all.

89 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:17pm

re: #85 Meremortal

Bravo!

That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!

Yeah my wife loves it too. It's right in the middle of everything. Buona Notte!

90 logboy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:58pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.

And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.

Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.

But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.


I got hooked by the Vail Veterans Program 3 months after I got blown up in Iraq. Now I'm totally into it. Especially since I can't snowmobile anymore.

91 FortunateSon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:45:32pm

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

92 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:46:07pm

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.

That's Europe I guess, but hey they have "free" health care here!

93 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:46:20pm

re: #82 esch

It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.

I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.

A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.

Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").

Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".

Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".

Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"

He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.

94 logboy  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:02pm

re: #84 gmsc

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.

95 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:04pm

re: #81 rawmuse
Oh been there too...97 with the OP-FOR tanks, jeeps, 50 cal, UN observation posts with NO-BODY HOME, unusual green fields on the [bigoted word] side (GOOD FERTILIZER) went all the way up past MOSTAR, but yes that Adriatic coast...Malibu is a freaking South-Central by comparison...

96 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:05pm

re: #81 rawmuse

Dubrovnik was able to dust itself off to a large extent, but further inland (along the Danube) Vukovar has yet to recover to this day...

97 FortunateSon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:27pm

re: #94 logboy

Huzzah!

98 Gus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:48:06pm

Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.

99 gop_patriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:48:57pm

re: #84 gmsc

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

100 Emperor Norton  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:49:42pm

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

101 rightwinger3  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:50:53pm

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

Do you suppose that matters to the liberals who now inhabit the halls of congress and the WH?

102 FortunateSon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:51:07pm

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Let's not worry about that too much, it's an old outdated negative-rights document, nothing to see here, move along.

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:51:17pm

re: #91 FortunateSon

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

Yes, actually.

104 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:52:23pm

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

But will the ACLU champion that?

/not holding my breath

105 FortunateSon  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:52:35pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

That's what I like to hear!

106 esch  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:52:44pm

re: #93 gmsc

Oh I have a whole list of items to hit him with. Good scenario though, I'll put it on the list. My main weapon in reserve (considering how much he bitches about Wall St fat cats) is explaining how most of the really wealthy on Wall St are democrats. That'll make his head explode.

107 Gus  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:53:00pm

How about an organized inauguration protest like they did with Bush? It wouldn't be easy and it would be popular but what the hey.

108 gmsc  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:54:31pm

re: #91 FortunateSon

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

Exactly as we should be:

A FLAG, ON A HILL (Excerpt from second half)
by Bill Whittle

Battles don’t always go that way. But sometimes they do. It depends on whether the individual soldier still has any fight in him.

It has been a source of delight for me these past few days to see nothing but evidence of this, all across our defeated lines. Nowhere have I heard a shred of defeatism or despair. On the contrary. In point of fact, the magnanimity and graciousness I have seen in defeat in so many places on the right tells me that this is a eager and seasoned army, one able to look defeat in the face and own up to the errors in tactics and strategy that got us there. And nowhere do I see a call to abandon our core principles and sue for terms, but rather that our loss was caused precisely by our abandonment of the issues we which hold dear and which have served us so well on battlefields past.

So consider this, my fellows in arms:

On Tuesday, the Left – armed with the most attractive, eloquent, young, hip and charismatic candidate I have seen with my adult eyes, a candidate shielded by a media so overtly that it can never be such a shield again, who appeared after eight years of a historically unpopular President, in the midst of two undefended wars and at the time of the worst financial crisis since the Depression and whose praises were sung by every movie, television and musical icon without pause or challenge for 20 months… who ran against the oldest nominee in the country’s history, against a campaign rent with internal disarray and determined not to attack in the one area where attack could have succeeded and who was out-spent no less than seven-to-one in a cycle where not a single debate question was unfavorable to his opponent – that historic victory, that perfect storm of opportunity…

Yielded a result of 53%

Folks, we are going to lick these people out of their boots.

There is much to do. That a man with such overt Marxist ideas and such a history of association with virulent anti-Americans can be elected President should make it crystal clear to each of us just how far we have let fall the moral tone of this Republic. The great lesson from Ronald Reagan was simply that we can and must gently educate as well as campaign, and explain our ideas with smiles on our faces and real joy in our hearts, for unlike the far-left radical who gained the Presidency on Tuesday, we start with 150 million of the most free and intelligent and hard-working people in the history of the Earth at our backs, with a philosophy that -- unlike theirs, which has resulted in 100 million dead in unmarked graves -- has liberated and enriched more people and created more joy than any nation or combination of nations in our history.

How can we lose this greater fight, my friends? How can we lose, unless we give up?

Read the whole thing.

109 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:55:27pm

re: #106 esch

Ask him how much he has/had in his 401k, his parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.. Whose money is in Wall st? The fat cats managing the funds and stocks are rich, but most of the stock market is built on money from the middle class.

/another nail in his coffin of ideology.

110 gop_patriot  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:56:47pm

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Free versus unfree labor

Labor is defined as work of economic or financial value. Unfree labor, or labor not willingly given, is obtained in a number of ways:

* causing or threatening to cause serious harm to any person;
* physically restraining or threatening to physically restrain another person;
* abusing or threatening to abuse the law or legal process;
* knowingly destroying, concealing, removing, confiscating or possessing any actual or purported passport or other immigration document, or any other actual or purported government identification document, of another person;
* blackmail;
* causing or threatening to cause financial harm [using financial control over] to any person.*

I can see several ways that the 0 administration could violate this amendment.

/*or state/school district/school...
//did I mention, Marxist bastards? UGH

111 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:57:49pm

re: #56 gmsc

"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

112 stonemason  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:58:48pm

re: #99 gop_patriot

not to be cantankerous but many high schools already require 'community service' to graduate. I had a Junior in the Little Leage Snack Bar all summer last year, and many of the assistant coaches are High School players getting the service in. This is nothing new.

Middle school on the other hand is just wrong. College age would be illegal under the 13th.

Oh, and my kids do more hours than that every year through the Scouts and our church, so Mr. President Elect isn't gonna get his pound from us.

113 TheMatrix31  Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:59:49pm

re: #94 logboy

Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

114 Nightwatch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:00:35am

So I'll leave ya now, but RAW MUSE sure as I live, CLINTON was the fool who let the [bigoted word]s grab a foothold into the western EU. Take it to the bank HOSS!

Hope ya sleep well.

115 Gus  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:01:43am

Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.

116 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:01:51am

re: #113 TheMatrix31

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

i'm not in college these days, but i will be soon and Juggy? you can go fuck yourself, and the WHB too.

PS: you're still not my president.

117 Nightwatch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:02:08am

re: #111 redc1c4


DUDE! YA KNOW RAYMOND?

118 FortunateSon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:02:13am

re: #112 stonemason

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this currently something decided upon by the school district on an individual basis? At most, it is a state requirement. That is dramatically different than a mandate from the Federal Government...

119 esch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:04:01am

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.

120 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:05:20am

re: #119 esch

Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.

There's a really fine line between stubborn and dipshit. Has he crossed this line?

121 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:05:35am

re: #117 Nightwatch

DUDE! YA KNOW RAYMOND?

evidently not, since youre reference escapes me.

122 FortunateSon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:05:46am

Anyone else from Michigan here?

I thought this was a joke at first. A sick, sick joke. He can't do any better than Jennifer F-ing Granholm? At least she'll never be president (she's Canadian).

123 Gus  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:06:25am

re: #118 FortunateSon

More than likely it would another mandate from the feds tied in with federal funding to the schools. No doubt the types of service would be politicized by the schools in questions.

And which way do most schools lean? Left. So, there would be a push to define this service into leftist endeavors.

124 esch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:07:58am

re: #120 rightwinger3

Well, he did grad from arguably the best engineering school in teh country, and he's still listening attentively and respectfully, so I'm still trying. I just need to wean him off Stewart/Colbert for about a year.

125 flutesnoot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:08:06am

During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the Machine. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008

126 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:09:05am

words for new new reality:

"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."

127 Zimriel  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:01am

re: #93 gmsc

Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").

Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".

Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".

Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"

He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.

It won't work @ 3. Moonbat will retort that the Republicans turn to social issues to divide and exploit the poor. "Opiate of the masses".

128 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:22am

re: #118 FortunateSon

‘‘(10) Community service programs that use qualified school
personnel to train and mobilize young people to measurably
strengthen their communities through nonviolence, responsibility,
compassion, respect, and moral courage.

Part of the No Child Left Behind Act

High school kids have been forced to do this for some time, at the behest of the Federal Government...which has NO MANDATE regarding public education to begin with, maybe we should start there.

129 Sylvester_T_Cat  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:24am

re: #99 gop_patriot

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

Yea verily. Thought I saw something about "Involuntary Servitude" in the Constitution once?

130 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:26am

re: #125 flutesnoot

During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the Machine My Allowance. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008

There- fixed that.

131 treesarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:57am

re: #126 redc1c4

And his name is Sarah. ;-)

132 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:11:22am

re: #112 stonemason

I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?

That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!

133 Max Darkside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:12:17am

re: #43 stonemason

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

134 shanec99  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:12:32am

re: #98 Gus 802

Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.


Go to Sicily, mild winters, you may get occasional snow if you live on Mt Etna above the level of Niccolosi, otherwise its lovely.

I had a villa in Mascalucia, 3 bedroom, huge living and dining room, fantastic kitchen, 2 bath rooms, study. Cost 760 euros.
Electric bill every 2 months about 120 euros
Water every 3 months about 20 euros
Car Insurance about 50 euros a month
Food bill (I typically shopped at Auchon) about 400 euros a month
Telephone... I used a mobile... about 60 euros a month
The only thing was gas was really expensive.
Not much else

135 Gus  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:21am

re: #134 shanec99

That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.

136 Nightwatch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:37am

re: #108 gmsc


Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.

Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him...PAUL.

137 FortunateSon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:52am

re: #128 stonemason

Thank you for pointing that out. I'm sure that will be the justification for expansion of the program.

And you're correct-public education is a states' rights issue. Like so many other things. Ah, well.

138 wiffersnapper  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:02am

Mitt?

139 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:35am

re: #132 gop_patriot


The individual states are in control of education but when they ask the Federal Government for money, that money comes with strings. Find a state that does not get federal school dollars and the Feds have no control. Or, private schools. Of course many Catholic schools require public service, as do non-denominational Christian schools.

There are many, many (uncountable) reasons to be afraid of President-elect Obama, this really falls way low on the list.

140 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:48am

re: #128 stonemason

ACK! I didn't know about that. We homeschool, but have several friends whose children are in local public high schools; and I don't believe they've ever had to do any community type service. I'll make sure to ask them about it. That is ridiculous.

141 esch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:56am

re: #129 Sylvester_T_Cat

It won't be involuntary, just like Social Security isn't involuntary. But f you want a Pell Grant or any other kind of federal tuition assistance, you'll need to put your time in like everyone else.

142 Gus  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:29am

Of course this will be one of many mandates from Obama and company. I know he has many other plans including building codes.

The feds will create the Obamandate and the states will be forced to redefine or create new laws and regulations so they can maintain federal funding. The same as the do with the Clean Air Act and federal highway funding.

143 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:58am

re: #33 rightwinger3

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.

Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...

144 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:59am

I get the NHL network, which will likely have the CBC feed of the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheader this weekend. I wonder if this will include Don Cherry's Rememberance Day Tribute to the Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

/even if he phones it in, it will be better than any American network's 'tribute' to US Servicemen and women over the past 8 years, although I hear patriotism's suddenly vogue among libs now...

145 esch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:17:07am

Ugh, passing out. Night all.

146 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:17:56am

re: #137 FortunateSon

NCLB started out well, when it was tests that meant things, then, Kennedy got involved and it turned to sh**. The unions hate it though so it can't be all bad.

147 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:17:59am

re: #131 treesarie

And his name is Sarah. ;-)


"I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun."

148 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:29am

re: #135 Gus 802


Closer to $1.25 to the Euro right now.

149 Max Darkside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:44am

re: #84 gmsc

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

It is not a little scary. It is VERY scary. The whole site creeps me out. I don't know how it would stand up to the 13th Amendment, which says:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Some claim that government service is exempt from the involuntary servitude, for instance the draft.

150 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:56am

re: #143 Karridine

Woohoo! Global depression, here we come!

151 shanec99  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:39am

re: #135 Gus 802

That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.

Well it was about $1.30 per euro when I was there... so it was about $950 per month, and it was great... my home was 150 square meters.

152 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:39am

re: #136 Nightwatch

Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.

Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him... ...PAUL.

You're welcome. His articles are going to become more important in the days and years ahead.

BTW, his PJTV "Afterburner" videos are all available for free now!

153 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:42am

re: #99 gop_patriot

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

154 capitalist piglet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:21:43am

I posted this link on the other thread, but I'll put it here in case you guys didn't get a chance to see it.

Rahm Emmanuel wrote a book and outlined this concept a few years ago; it's interesting that Obama chose him, because it looks (to me at least) more likely that they'll cook something up together.

The kid that wrote this piece was none too pleased to learn of this plan, in 2006:

Emmanuel writes that all citizens will be “asked” to serve their country. But there would be no asking because it would be a mandatory program. “Asked” in this case is a kind and gentle way to say that anyone who doesn’t participate would be guilty of a crime. Emmanuel has never said what he thinks the penalty should be for those who refuse to participate. But you can be sure that a major part of the “plan” will be a pretty damned persuasive deterrent to scoffing or fleeing.

[Link: www.popandpolitics.com...]

And:

He [Jonathan Alter, an advocate of Emmanuel's plan, and the person from Newsweek that hosted a chat about it - cp] pointed to the threat of a nuclear Iran as the reason for mandatory state service. I suggested that the way the world could be expected to deal with that sort of thing would be promised investment and trade versus economic sanctions, travel bans and frozen assets— you know diplomatic carrots and sticks.

Alter said that sanctions would be too harsh on the Iranian people and repeated his view that mandatory state service for Americans 18-25 years old was a better way to deal with the Iranian nuclear program.

155 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:43am

re: #139 stonemason

I see your point.

But I still think this is pretty important. This is Obama and his socialist/marxist buddies we're talking about; it might seem innocuous on the surface but I guarantee it will end up much worse than it looks right now.

156 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:45am

re: #113 TheMatrix31

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

I'm going to start emailing and talking to everyone I know about this. I know my congressman personally, I was his guest of honor to the state of the union address. If we don't start fighting this now, it may be too late. I will go to jail before I donate one fucking hour of my time to that communist.

157 FortunateSon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:49am

re: #149 Max Darkside

I hate to sound over-the-top here, but to a lot of these people, being born an American is practically a crime (or the "moral equivalent"), and therefore something that requires acts of penance to redeem oneself for.

I don't want to believe that's the truth. But it's becoming pretty obvious.

158 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:23:07am

re: #150 Sharmuta

Sharmy, walking home a few hours after Comrade Lord Obama was chosen, my Iraqi-refugee neighbor asked me, "Obama? This is bad, yes? Americans will now leave Iraq? Soon? Oh, no! This is VERY BAD!"

/I shook my head, looked in his eyes, touched my heart, and turned toward my house...

/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!

159 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:24:30am

re: #153 Karridine

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

That scenario is silly, ridiculous, and . . . accurate.

160 capitalist piglet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:24:30am

re: #132 gop_patriot

I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?

That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!


We need to push back on this one, hard. I don't think getting the liberals on board would be difficult, either. This isn't going to be a popular idea with the majority of people who voted for this Marxist bastard - they were just too dumb and starry-eyed to realize what he had in mind for them.

161 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:25:03am

re: #153 Karridine

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

Hence the reason I own a gun.

162 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:25:55am

re: #158 Karridine


/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!

Not all depressions are financial. I know I am not feeling too good here right now, and it's not because of a virus.

/meme yes, virus no.

163 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:26:05am

Dang! Heavy lightning moving in!
bbiaw

165 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:27:56am

re: #158 Karridine

Will you let him know that there is at least one American lady whose heart is breaking for Americans and Iraqis. I fear for them, and Israel and of course us here too.

166 BakaRanger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:28:24am

We are going to be a country of busy little rascals, with community service and the civilian security force etc.

167 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:29:22am

re: #143 Karridine

And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.

Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...

Karradine, there goes Thailand.

168 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:29:40am

re: #155 gop_patriot

Oh, don't get me wrong, if the kids are no longer able to choose where to do the project, or if the choices are limited, I will be right with you fighting it tooth and nail. As it is now, I must admit, I like the idea of some of the spoiled brats I know volunteering some time. Here in the Downingtown Area, PA, the choices are many and varied, everything counts, including Boy Scouts and Church Service. I mentioned the little league, that goes for soccer as well.


I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first, hold him to cutting waste, and trying our best to publicize every socialist move he makes.

169 Max Darkside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:30:05am

Remember Michelle O's words?...

"Don't go into corporate America," "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

170 shanec99  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:30:51am

re: #156 logboy

My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.

Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.

Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.

171 Max Darkside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:31:37am

re: #168 stonemason

I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first

The rate things are going, there won't be anything to tax.

172 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:31:51am

So, under "America Serves", do you get to choose your own "Massah", or does the state choose your "Massah"?

173 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:32:01am

re: #166 BakaRanger

We are going to be a country of busy little rascals, with community service and the civilian security force etc.

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

174 Nightwatch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:32:38am

re: #153 Karridine


We will see the true men with spines for this country in the days to come. No Metro-sexual hand -wringers this time. Some of us are old card players and we see the bottom deck play.

WHAT you think this is over the top? THIS AIN'T KERRY. THIS AIN'T GORE!

Red White and Blue or...

175 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:32:39am

I'm having a bit of an attitude this week. Been playing this song a LOT.

Trashed and scattered again, I'm feelin' so low
You waste breath while fuckin' with me, my blood is so cold
My destinations always are known, I'll find my way there
but Goddamn Motherfuckers always wasting my time

I won't be the victim, but the first to cast a stone
Sedated nights to the bar room fights as metropolis takes its toll
And don't you try to stop me, it's a place you'll never know
Don't try to judge or take shots in me, I'll never let you seize control

Play your game, and walk away your integrity don't mean shit
Crawl on me you fucking parasite, and I'm gonna take you out

176 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:33:17am

re: #171 Max Darkside

tis true.

I have a 'real' job, and I do side work (hence the monniker). The side work just went all Cash.

177 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:33:57am

re: #173 logboy

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

178 BakaRanger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:36:34am

re: #173 logboy

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

Can I come with?

179 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:38:00am

re: #170 shanec99

My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.

Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.

Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.

What the heck do you see with that issue that is "quiet, reasonable and non threatening"? Right. I'll just sit down and wait and hope for the best. Its right there in front of you in black and white, staring you right in the face. And what is your suggestion?

If you don't like what I say, then don't listen. After all, it is a free country (for now).

180 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:38:30am

re: #174 Nightwatch

I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.

This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.

181 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:39:24am

re: #177 BlueCanuck

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

I have friends in BC, and AB. AB I get to hunt, in BC (VC) I get to logroll.

182 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:42:35am

re: #181 logboy

And in Alberta you are not far from a lot of ski hills either. Banff, Jaspar, Panorama. . . .

183 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:43:31am

Something less unpleasant: 2008 Electoral Map Jigsaw Puzzle (Free online javascript jigsaw puzzle)

184 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:43:46am

re: #173 logboy

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?

I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!

185 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:44:20am

re: #178 BakaRanger

Can I come with?

Do you hunt or snowboard?

186 SurferDoc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:45:28am

"The streets were dark with something more than night. "

187 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:45:55am

re: #177 BlueCanuck

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.

188 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:46:55am

Today is the anniversary of the Bolshevik coup d'etat in Saint Petersburg. The beginning of the nightmare known to us as the Soviet Union.

Some people insist on not learning.

189 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:49:31am

You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.

190 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:50:31am

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

191 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:51:34am

re: #189 Sharmuta

You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.

Yeah! She lost a possible U.S. Vice-Presidential post to Joe Biden, but you don't see here packing up and heading North!

/Well, not to Canada, anyway.

192 SurferDoc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:51:38am

When my ancestors got their asses kicked, they went home, healed their wounds, repaired their armor and sharpened their swords. When the ice melted in the fjords, they got in their boats and went back.

193 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:52:29am

re: #190 UncleSam

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

Too late now, init?

194 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:52:31am

re: #190 UncleSam

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

Good to hear . . . as well as surprising and interesting.

195 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:53:11am

re: #194 gmsc

Yes, I was surprised.

196 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:53:48am

When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).

Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...

197 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:54:17am

re: #184 Sharmuta

I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?

I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!



Don't you dare question my patriotism.
It will be two years ago in December that I left my right arm on the battlefield of Iraq because some Iranian thought he'd blow up my humvee in an effort to get his American kill count over 30. 9 months in an Army hospital later, I'm left picking up the pieces, fighting with the VA over benefits, attempting a college education, trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do with my life. I've given all that a person can give for their country without dying.

You may question my judgment. You may question my sanity. But don't you dare question my patriotism.

198 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:56:52am

re: #197 logboy

I'm not the one openly posting comments about abandoning my country to go live in a socialist state because my team lost.

199 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:56:54am

re: #115 Gus 802

Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.

And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.

200 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:57:00am

re: #193 rightwinger3

Maybe, maybe not...

201 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:00:51am

re: #196 infidel4ever

When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).

Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...

The big difference is that the requirement by the government.

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?

The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.

202 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:01:24am

re: #198 Sharmuta

Are you paying attention to anything we are talking about? Seriously, go back up and read the thread.

203 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:01:39am

re: #199 The Other Les

And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.

Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X

/

204 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:04:16am

re: #203 gop_patriot

Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X

/

Yeah...but at least some of them were dead.

205 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:05:05am

re: #202 logboy

Did you want your sacrifice to be for nothing?

206 HD Woman  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:05:34am

Good Morning Nightshift

207 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:05:53am

re: #187 rightwinger3

Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.

Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)

208 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:06:15am

re: #204 rightwinger3

LOL!

209 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:01am

re: #204 rightwinger3

Yeah...but at least some of them were dead.

re: #208 gop_patriot

LOL!

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

210 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:41am

This is what inspired the conservative blogosphere to rail against the organization, claiming that they knowingly submitted forms for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, and that, says Politico.com, “they are apparently Democrats."
In what ACORN president Maude Hurd admitted was an “unfortunate exaggeration,” she noted that the organization did not attempt to fix the election, and that the lion's share of the discarded.

Story here.

211 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:52am

re: #180 stonemason

I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.

This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.

Well said!

Conservatives don't need to wait for a 'One', and don't need to wait until he's spoken to actually do something.
Conservatives think and do for themselves, they don't need to wait for permission from leadres.

It will be a hard slog - but patience is the ticket here. You're not just taking on B0 and his party - you're taking on academia and the msm as well.
At least you know this - we in the Uk didn't, eleven years ago. Thats why its been taking such a long time here ...

212 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:08am

re: #201 gmsc

The big difference is that the requirement by the government.

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?

The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.


So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free? I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?

Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.

Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.

213 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:17am

logboy:

Professional lumberjack, Wounded Iraq Vet. Lost my right arm dDec. 2006 leading a convoy through Baghdad. What have you sacrificed?

I'll tell you what I haven't sacrificed- my country. You're a soldier. Fucking act like it and fight for your country, damnit.

And God bless you for your service.

214 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:37am

So if the MSM is trying to brace 0bama's supporters on him not being able to live up to a bunch of his campaign promises, does that mean the MSM is guilty of the 'soft racism of lowered expectations'?

215 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:45am

re: #202 logboy

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

216 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:09:37am

re: #207 BlueCanuck

Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)

I love that game. I've been in Italy for over a month now. People ask me if I've been to Venice or Rome or Pisa. Nope. I've been to Asiago though. Every home game since the season started.

217 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:11:24am

re: #216 rightwinger3

Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.

/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.

218 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:11:28am

re: #215 BlueCanuck

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

Should the "doing" include abandoning our country?

I feel it's my civic duty to tell this soldier to get a grip, stay and fight.

219 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:12:13am

re: #209 gmsc

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

Just telling the truth as I see it. You have to admit it was a little funny though.

220 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:12:14am

re: #215 BlueCanuck

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

No kidding. Lets not get banned.

221 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:14:52am

Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.

222 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:14:55am

re: #209 gmsc

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

I know, it still made me laugh though. Dead is close enough to imaginary, right?

/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)

223 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:36am

re: #222 gop_patriot

/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)

For the first time this week, I might add... I need to laugh, the stress was getting to me.

224 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:40am

re: #212 infidel4ever

So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free?

Yes. That's what "community service" is.

I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?

Last time I checked, even high school and college kids had the right to be compensated for their labor.

Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.

And you believe that making them labor against their will under threat of force is the cure to self-centeredness?

Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.

OK, so you don't agree with established precedent in 13th Amendment court cases.

225 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:55am

re: #221 UncleSam


I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.

226 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:17:13am

re: #217 BlueCanuck

Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.

/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.

Have to support the home team here rather than see the Avs or Coyotes get their asses handed to them.

227 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:19:30am

re: #34 gmsc

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work. Limbaugh, for example, I've always considered to be an entertainment show, not a political one. Extending this interpretation means that Saturday Night Live, 24 and pretty much the entire Comedy Channel lineup would have to yanked or balanced.

Of course, I guess it depends on who does the deciding on who is not living up to whatever standards are emplaced. But this sort of edict seems unenforceable.

It probably can't be applied at all to cable television, which the government doesn't license.

The Internet, sadly, has already been compromised by the existence of the McCain-Feingold legislation. It hasn't been enforced yet, but this is another area to keep a very close eye on.

In other news: lots of interesting rumors floating around about possible appointments to come, including several Republican names being floated. Schwarzenneger keeps coming up as a possible cabinet appointee, in charge of some environmental-related agency. Richard Luger's name is also being tossed around quite a bit, possibly for a defense-related post. Hard to know what to make of all this, or whether it's just vaporware.

And of course, Lieberman got taken out to the woodshed by Reid yesterday. Without him, the Dems can't make their Magic 60 in the Senate, and you can bet that Reid is holding Lieberman's committee chairmanships over his head.

228 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:21:38am
"In six states, anyone charged with a felony, a category of crime which includes otherwise benign offences such as marijuana possession, propagation of copyrighted material, and some forms of petty theft, loses their ability to vote for life. In the state of Florida, one in four black men is denied the vote because of past history.
It is in the face of issues like this that groups like ACORN operate, and the allegations have inflamed tensions between races in America.
A Daily Kos op-ed stated that the actions against ACORN “are clearly racially motivated... what better way is there to take so many poor blacks off the rolls?”"


I know I already posted above, but I forgot to post this part. Can anyone weigh in on the accuracy of that statement?

229 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:23:09am

re: #225 Fenway_Nation

I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.

It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.

230 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:24:41am

re: #165 Sharmuta

Yes'm, will do! His brother, also an engineer, was blown to pieces AT HOME for working for the kffir Emricans, and his first son shot for the same intimidating reason, so he got out.

He KNOWS Americans have good people, I'll share your concern.

Rightwinger #167: they were in trouble BEFORE Obama, and they're in a different trouble now! Bastion against Communism, we're bordered by Cambodia, Laos and near Vietnam & China... not to mention thugocracy Burma and Islamo-Malaysia!

/where's my gyros? WHAT HAPPENED to the gyroscopes?

231 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:25:40am

re: #229 UncleSam

I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.

232 HD Woman  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:25:41am

re: #228 logboy [Link: felonvoting.procon.org...]

change.gov GAK! Looks like just another opportunity to compile an another email list.

233 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:27:28am

re: #230 Karridine

Oh... I'm so sorry to hear that. The poor man.

234 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:29:31am

re: #231 Sharmuta

re: #229 UncleSam


Can anyone here tell me about Garvey bonds? I hear they're floated for highway or transportation projects and might be backed by the Treasury, but I hadn't heard anything along the lines of their yield, minimum required investment or maturity dates...

235 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:30:00am

re: #231 Sharmuta

I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.

The people who try to get huge returns and those who panic on a downturn are usually the ones who end up losing in the long run.

236 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:30:31am

re: #233 Sharmuta

Its real, Sharmuta.... its WHY we served... in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... they're murderous, the world's largest prison is North Korea...

And that 'require service' garbage IS INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, and is NOT legal under the US Constitution!

237 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:31:06am

re: #221 UncleSam

Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.

Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.

When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.

I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.

238 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:31:49am

re: #230 Karridine

That's awful...yet there's people out there who would openly root for the Islamo-fascists to finish the job so they can sanctimoniously lecture us on how wrong the war in Iraq was.

239 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:34:00am

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

Too true, Fenway!

sad... dangerous...

240 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:34:39am

re: #234 Fenway_Nation

re: #229 UncleSam


Can anyone here tell me about Garvey bonds? I hear they're floated for highway or transportation projects and might be backed by the Treasury, but I hadn't heard anything along the lines of their yield, minimum required investment or maturity dates...


I don't know anything about those bonds, but you can look them up on Yahoo Finance, which is a great resource for financial matters.

241 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:04am

re: #229 UncleSam

It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.

Unfortunately, a huge number of 401ks are very badly out of balance and heavily overweighted in stocks. What this means is that every rally in the market is going to be met with a huge wave of selling, as people rebalance their portfolios to position themselves as you have done all along. The downward pressure on the market is going to continue for the next few months, at least, regardless of other news.

242 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:31am

I'm 15 hours ahead of y'all, so I've some mid-afternoon tasks to deal with.

Back in a bit
Bit in my back
Back to back
belly to belly...

243 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:48am

re: #239 Karridine

And to make it worse...they got exactly who they wanted in the White House come January.

244 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:36:10am

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

I kept saying during the debates and the infomercial that 0bama hated the Iraqis. I don't think I was wrong.

245 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:36:46am

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Hard lesson coming up for them in being careful in what they wish for.

246 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:36:49am

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Ironically ironical! Zen justice!

Bwahaha!

247 TheMatrix31  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:37:08am

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

8th Plank of the Communist Manifesto

248 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:40:24am

re: #245 Sharmuta

Still, as Victor Hanson Davis points out, the next 90 days will be a struggle inside the Obama camp, as he purges people who actively supported him and as the remaining few/many coalesce into two fairly polarized camps:

Camp 1: Let's go full-bore left on them, before they can recover and gum up our plans!

Camp 2: Let's go centrist, so that we have a chance of being re=elected 4 years from now, and THEN shaft America!

249 HD Woman  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:42:03am

re: #237 SixDegrees

I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold.


Speaking of insane policies, what are the odds of Dems really being able to roll our 401Ks into "guaranteed" retirement accounts like Teresa Ghilarducci was suggesting? I'd like to think they couldn't get away with it... but I don't doubt them trying.

250 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:42:54am

re: #248 Karridine

I did read the VDH today. He's a brilliant man, and I'm glad he's on our side.

251 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:05am

re: #237 SixDegrees

Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.

When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.

I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.


Yeah, the bad financial news had a lot to do with it, but I think uncertainty and trepidation about Obama's financial and tax policy was also a large factor.
I'd buy stocks/mutual funds now if I had cash to spare, but I don't, because I have to put money into home repair, as the ground is shifting in my area and I have to do preventive work, as do my neighbors, on my home's foundation and structure.

252 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:09am

When they're not done writing cartoon episodes depicting US Servicemen as semi-literate dullards and military recruiters trying to sign up kintergartners, I can't shake the feeling these same 'compassionate' and 'tolerant' 'progressives [gonna OD on the sneer quotes in a moment] do a little jig every time an IED hits a US convoy or some Iraqi kids in a crowded marketplace catch a faceful of white-hot shrpanel from a suicide bomber...and when they're called out on it, they self-righteously declare "Well it's Bush's war..."

Never met a Chavez, Assad or Mugabe they couldn't make excuses for, if not outright love and admire.

253 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:59am

re: #247 TheMatrix31

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

8th Plank of the Communist Manifesto

Does this mean we finally get a community garden?

254 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:47:19am

re: #253 logboy

Does this mean we finally get a community garden?

Yeah, they'll raise a new crop of Socialists.

255 HD Woman  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:47:44am

re: #247 TheMatrix31
So that's why the US Farm report logo looks so much like O's!
[Link: www.agweb.com...]

256 Max Darkside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:54:21am

re: #237 SixDegrees

Sorry, but I disagree. What you are seeing is the compounded effect of the economic gears slowing due to a credit crunch, a scared consumer not spending, with bad results AND with incoming bad policies. It is not a coincidence that the last two days, summing to 10% loss of market value, occurs right after the election.

257 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:55:16am

Comrades! You will stand for the National Anthem of the Obamanation!

258 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:56:01am

re: #253 logboy

Those things might have been possible BEFORE the internet and cell-phones, but its getting more and more difficult to 'put the means of communication' into the hands of a Central Committee.

/one more reason why Socialist Communism DOESN'T WORK!

259 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:57:30am

re: #254 UncleSam

Only if the PRODUCTIVE actually STAY to labor for the Obam-Elites!

What if thousands, hundreds of thousands LEAVE? Refuse to work?

260 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:59:35am

Palestinian Militants Fire Rockets at Israel

JERUSALEM — Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip barraged southern Israel with rockets on Friday, fraying a 5-month-old truce that has been tested sorely this week.

No injuries or damage was reported in the third successive day of hostilities, and there was no immediate military response to the rocket fire. Islamic Jihad, Gaza's second-largest militant group, claimed responsibility for the attack. The Israeli military said at least three rockets were fired.

261 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:00:06am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

262 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:00:43am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thanks much and good morning to you Lil' one

263 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:00:50am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Thanks, {lol}.

264 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:06am

Alright, I'm falling asleep at the puter and I have class in a few hours. My professor is an ultra liberal from chicago who grew up in the same neighborhood as Hillary Clinton. I have a feeling its going to be unbearable listening to him.

265 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:17am

re: #259 Karridine

Only if the PRODUCTIVE actually STAY to labor for the Obam-Elites!

What if thousands, hundreds of thousands LEAVE? Refuse to work?

The term that's popped up for that is "go John Galt".

I would expect that over time it will be shortened to "go Galt."

266 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:33am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Ha! I was just about to ask if you'd been here this week, I've been MIA on the overnight thread lately.

Thanks for the fruitcup, you rock! :)

267 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:39am

stonemason! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

268 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:54am

gop! :-)

269 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:02:12am

re: #264 logboy

Ugh, I'll say a prayer for ya. (((logboy)))

Have a good day!

270 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:03:11am

Day By Day looks interesting this morning.

Remember:Consent of the governed. Depends on everyone cooperating.

There is the President, the Vice-President and how many members of Congress? Against how many citizens? And of those, how many have served in the military or had/have family members who have?

Pi$$ off enough Americans and you will get massive civil disobedience.

271 TheMatrix31  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:03:34am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Damn, 2am already?

272 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:04:05am

re: #268 littleoldlady

Hiya! :) Glad I waited around, how are you doing? Hope you're well.

273 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:17am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Good morning. Fruitcup is always welcome.

274 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:24am

re: #272 gop_patriot

Hiya! :) Glad I waited around, how are you doing? Hope you're well.

Still processing.

/taking longer than I thought
//then again, it really shouldn't be surprising

How's by you? :-)

275 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:34am

re: #270 FamHistoryGuy

"Civilians don't fight... citizens do!"

GET ON!

276 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:42am

Good evening, Reptilia.

After giving it a lot of thought I've decided to move on from LGF before the next week is out. I just need to go through a bit of withdrawal, but cold turkey's not going to do it.

277 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:45am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

278 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:06:30am

re: #265 The Other Les

The term that's popped up for that is "go John Galt".

I would expect that over time it will be shortened to "go Galt."

Is that what I'm doing by planning on spending as little money as possible for the next four years? I already have a short list of things I'm cutting out of my spending habits.

279 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:06:51am

re: #276 laZardo

Why?

280 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:06:56am

My my...is Hugo giving us an 0bamanomics preview?

281 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:08:29am

re: #279 Sharmuta

I just feel that I'm going to be increasingly marginalized and ostracized if I hang around the losing side of things...and I've done so as far as I can recall.

282 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:10:55am

re: #275 Karridine

"Civilians don't fight... citizens do!"

GET ON!

Piss off enough commissars and you'll get a bloodbath.

They are going to have to do something to demonstrate that they are to be obeyed without question.

Civil war anyone?

283 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:13:49am

Am I tardy for fruitcup? Sorry keep getting distracted by youtube. Morning littleoldlady.

284 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:14:11am

Hiya, Blue! :-)

285 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:15:23am

Right now in the Crisis(?) Room... McCain for SecDef?

/veeerrry long shot.

286 akak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:16:01am

re: #284 littleoldlady

Hiya, Blue! :-)

Hiya LOL!

Pat Gillick for POTUS?

287 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:17:29am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Still processing.

/taking longer than I thought
//then again, it really shouldn't be surprising

How's by you? :-)

Oh, probably the same. :/ This is the first day I've been in a good mood. My 18 yo son is really upset and stressed about the future. We've talked a lot this week, I showed him Bill Whittle's latest essay (think it's linked on this thread or the last)- that helped.

Tonight, I've been listening to Stevie Ray Vaughan, had a couple of beers (and a fruitcup!), and now I feel extremely relaxed and am ready for bed... :)

Hang in there, we will win this country back. Dude can NOT take my country from me. (((littleoldlady)))

ttyl, goodnight y'all. :)

288 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:17:43am

akak! :-)

Who?

289 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:18:40am

gop! :-)

I'm kinda afraid to try alcohol therapy... ;-)

Good seeing you!

290 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:15am

re: #289 littleoldlady

I did that last night. Worked for a bit...though I think I didn't apply it heavily enough.

291 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:29am

re: #282 The Other Les

I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...

But then I re-assess all that Obama has done, Ayers & Khalidi & Dohrn & Wright & Pelosi & Reid & MSM...

Ignorance, arrogance, the right to lie, no accountability, self-assured in their socialist-communist beliefs, gloating on their landmark scam gaming the American system...

No, I think the bitterness, naivety, ignorance and ideological poison embodied in Obama (and his team) could well trigger a convulsive, purifying civil war, uniting Americans of all color in the furnace of that conflict, Les...

No, NOT drama-queening

292 akak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:35am

re: #288 littleoldlady

akak! :-)

Who?

lol Phillies GM, former Phillies GM!

293 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:20:53am

re: #292 akak

Aha. Former doesn't count. ;-)

294 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:22:45am

re: #293 littleoldlady

He's only been 'former' for a week...sheesh...

295 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:12am

re: #291 Karridine

... and thinking that 'because we've WON the election, we have the police and National Guard and all, on OUR side...'

No you don't, Comrade

296 akak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:24am

re: #291 Karridine

I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...

Ignorance, arrogance, the right to lie, no accountability, self-assured in their socialist-communist beliefs, gloating on their landmark scam gaming the American system...

McCains aides? Why Fox isn't paying millions of dollars to out those bastids is beyond me.

297 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:41am

re: #282 The Other Les

Piss off enough commissars and you'll get a bloodbath.

They are going to have to do something to demonstrate that they are to be obeyed without question.

Americans will not put up with that kind of crap and will do some house cleaning.

298 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:24:09am

re: #291 Karridine

That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)

299 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:24:59am

Wait a minute. They fired a general manager after winning the World Series?!

/something else to process?

300 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:25:37am

re: #298 laZardo

That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)

And the ENTIRE house again...toss out the bums, keep a few, CHANGE we can really freakin' believe in!

301 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:27:24am

re: #299 littleoldlady

nooo...planned to leave after the season, we now have Amaro Jr.

302 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:28:52am

re: #301 Stonemason

Oh. Well okay then.

/Ruben Amaro IS a name I remember. Is it the same one I remember?

303 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:29:08am

re: #291 Karridine

I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...


I would admit to being a cynic and a pessimist on this one.

I really do think that on both the material and spiritual level that Power is Life to those people. Their basic ideology is essentially a rejection of the principle of consent in political relations.

But I'm an unemployed pizza delivery driver, what do I know?

304 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:29:47am

re: #281 laZardo

I just feel that I'm going to be increasingly marginalized and ostracized if I hang around the losing side of things...and I've done so as far as I can recall.

I guess I still don't understand.

305 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:31:11am

Why vote for the lesser evil? Heh heh.

306 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:31:42am

The beauty of the mid-term elections is voter turnout is usually lower, and that favors our side of the aisle.

307 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:32:10am

re: #298 laZardo

That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)

Obama gets 'sworn in' (heh!) and starts working HIS Congress... gets the Fairiness Doctrine reinstated... gets onerous taxes passed, gets his civil thug army authorized and a couple other DOWN things before the wealth can get 'redistributed' and its not 'VERY extreme' at all, LaZardo...

Not a probability, but it IS in the American psyche to want to move the bowels of power to eliminate the poison that's discovered in DC after about a year...

308 stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:33:26am

re: #302 littleoldlady

Yes it is

309 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:35:02am

re: #303 The Other Les

But what you note, what you observe Les... is their unbridled passion for power over other peoples' lives... for the greater good... WE will control YOU...
WE will redistribute YOUR wealth... you are REQUIRED to 'volunteer'... you MUST support this... Obama will FORCE YOU to enjoy his changes, hopefully...

You're spot on, Les

310 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:35:49am

re: #304 Sharmuta

It's really hard to describe it exactly. The kind of people who supported Barack Obama included my contemporaries, particularly those from the "cliques" (to pick a word) that I've often been 'left out' of growing up. I thought the 'outcasts' would get the 'last laugh' in the end, but that's no longer the case. I refuse to remain 'left out' at this point in my life.

311 Thingfish  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:36:11am

re: #291 Karridine

Karridine,
This is the first election that I've followed intensely and feel very similar to you...
I'm very worried for what may happen in the future. I've studying as much as possible to get an idea of what we may have to look forward to and to say I'm scared is an understatement.
My question is what can WE do to correct this train before it heads off the well documented cliff...
I hear a lot of bellyaching and no solutions (not pointed at you, just a general statement.)

312 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:37:03am

re: #307 Karridine

Obama gets 'sworn in' (heh!) and starts working HIS Congress... gets the Fairiness Doctrine reinstated... gets onerous taxes passed, gets his civil thug army authorized and a couple other DOWN things before the wealth can get 'redistributed' and its not 'VERY extreme' at all, LaZardo...

Not a probability, but it IS in the American psyche to want to move the bowels of power to eliminate the poison that's discovered in DC after about a year...

All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.

313 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:38:31am

re: #276 laZardo

Good evening, Reptilia.

After giving it a lot of thought I've decided to move on from LGF before the next week is out. I just need to go through a bit of withdrawal, but cold turkey's not going to do it.

I hope you find the community that you seek laZardo.

314 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:38:39am

re: #309 Karridine

You're spot on, Les


That's what I'm afraid of.

315 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:39:16am

re: #312 laZardo

And may I add...said guests do not have to be closed to rebuttals.

316 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:26am

re: #310 laZardo

Whoa! So in order to conform, you're going to sacrifice your principles? I would strongly reconsider, especially in light of the fact that in a short amount of time (a year or so) you will find the climate to favor you as people are going to get a quick lesson in what happens when they get what they wish for. You have an opportunity to be able to say "I told you so".

But you are young...I can understand the desire to fit in with the crowd. I think you'll regret it later however. What good is fitting in with people who hold your principles in contempt?

317 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:44am

re: #312 laZardo

But are they talking guests or hosts?

/BIG difference.
//could this be used to go the other way? Hello Air America.

318 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:54am

re: #312 laZardo

This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.

You really think there's a vice-versa for the lickspittle MSM? The closest thing to a vice-versa is those 'panel' shows where it's one ineffectual token conservative getting shouted down by 3 or 4 liberals...

319 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:11am

re: #311 Thingfish

I think we all need to come up with solutions. And a few of us have proposed solutions. I suggest getting involved in your local political party. Thanos has suggested getting involved with the school board in your community. We have a long road ahead of us, and much to do. Figure out your strengths and where you can make a difference and get to work.

320 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:17am

re: #312 laZardo


All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.

Fairness Doctrine is the wedge to clamp down on all 'enemies' of Obama. Criticism triggers a charge of "Racist! Racism!"

And having to 'construct the budgets' is YOUR (and my) way of thinking, but is NOT a requirement for Thugs-N-Thieves R Us!

With an unstoppable, rubber-stamp Congress? They crank out law after law, use force of law to force obedience, and America is in deep trouble, at the very least turmoil...

which could then be exploited by Russia, China or Iran to THEIR advantage, even if they don't physically attack America, LaZ!

321 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:59am

re: #315 laZardo

You're not a Kos Kid 'cause of that 140 something IQ. I was a 20 something poet, union bricklayer, and staunch conservative then too. Don't fall in with group-think so you can fit in, just ignore politics as much as you can, and laugh off the rest. If 'they' don't accept you because of your politics, your PERSONAL beliefs, are 'they' the group you want to be in?

It does get better, honestly, I'm in my 40's now and some of the people that shunned me 20 years ago are the ones that come to me for political advice.

322 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:46:49am

re: #316 Sharmuta

Whoa! So in order to conform, you're going to sacrifice your principles? I would strongly reconsider, especially in light of the fact that in a short amount of time (a year or so) you will find the climate to favor you as people are going to get a quick lesson in what happens when they get what they wish for. You have an opportunity to be able to say "I told you so".

But you are young...I can understand the desire to fit in with the crowd. I think you'll regret it later however. What good is fitting in with people who hold your principles in contempt?

I know a lot of my Obama-supporting contemporaries are not expecting Obama to fix up eight years of damage in four (or even two) years. Maybe they're buying the "lower your expectations" line, I do not know. Chances are, they will grow up a bit to the point where they will not be that jaded with Obama after "a year or so."

You make a valid point though. Why should I fit in with people with the principles/political views I hold when they have been shown to cause more harm than good? At least I know their "lingo." And I am still at the point where I can pass off my past mistakes as youthful naivete.

323 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:46:59am

re: #321 Stonemason

To be 20 again! Oh- what I would do different where my peers were concerned.

Plant seeds, LaZ. Plant seeds...

324 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:47:47am

re: #321 Stonemason

You're not a Kos Kid 'cause of that 140 something IQ. I was a 20 something poet, union bricklayer, and staunch conservative then too. Don't fall in with group-think so you can fit in, just ignore politics as much as you can, and laugh off the rest. If 'they' don't accept you because of your politics, your PERSONAL beliefs, are 'they' the group you want to be in?

It does get better, honestly, I'm in my 40's now and some of the people that shunned me 20 years ago are the ones that come to me for political advice.

At the most...if I can put my IQ to use, it would be through doublethink, not groupthink. But those who come to you were jaded by Carter enough to bring on Reagan. If Obama is a Carter that brings a Reagan, then maybe I can reconsider in time.

325 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:03am

re: #310 laZardo

I thought the 'outcasts' would get the 'last laugh' in the end, but that's no longer the case.

Mornin' Lazardo. You sure do stay up late. Anyway remember this: who is going to get the last laugh is a long way from being decided. Don't cede anything in the middle of the fight.

326 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:39am

re: #323 Sharmuta

I wouldn't change a thing, if I did, I wouldn't be the Man I am today, and I kinda like this guy.

327 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:52am

re: #321 Stonemason

True, Stone!

We must FIND OUR VALUES, OUR PRINCIPLES... each of us, alone, for we are humans, INDIVIDUALS... and "To thine own self be true" isn't some fuzzy, huggy bear mouth-gurgle... it is an admonition of power, because IF you stop being true to what you deeply believe, you suffer...

Period.

328 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:49:58am

re: #322 laZardo

Kiddo- you are lucky to have the political knowledge you have at your age. They are the ones who will mature and grow out of this mindset later in life. If I were in your shoes, I would challenge them daily, be a real pain in the ass, and convert them.

329 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:50:21am

re: #320 Karridine

Uh...they don't have a supermajority in the Senate, and some of the ones who have been there for a while will not be as hasty as the "whippersnappers" unless they all suddenly die out in two years. Each of them will be pulling for their own state's interests - all 50 of them - as well as the national interest.

As for racism, my parents are curiously hoping that Barack Obama's presidency will inspire Black America to "upgrade" their lifestyle.

/their English isn't exactly call-center good.

330 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:50:56am

re: #325 NC State of Mind

He who laughs last thinks the slowest.

/obscene T-shirt wisdom at its finest.

331 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:51:23am

re: #99 gop_patriot

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.


Wanna bet that Billy Ayers had, and now has, a quiet hand in this concept?

332 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:52:04am

re: #330 laZardo

He who laughs last thinks the slowest.

/obscene T-shirt wisdom at its finest.

How bout this? He who laughs last was right all along! ;)

333 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:52:14am

re: #325 NC State of Mind

Late? It's not even 7 PM. q;

334 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:52:43am

re: #326 Stonemason

I wouldn't change my life choices that much, just wouldn't have held my tongue back then the way I did, though I've always had a knack of speaking my mind.

Who, me? Speak my mind?! Perish the thought. ;p

I just let some peers get away with their bunk more than I should have.

335 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:15am

re: #318 Fenway_Nation

Hence, vice-versa. Rush Limbaugh and other conservotalkers will be having a lot of fresh meat to savage.

336 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:21am

Oh, and LAZ...don't fall into the trap that to be truly artistic you need to be one of the liberal folk. Remind those in your peer group that now 'speaking truth to power' is disagreeing with the group in power, and that would be the Democrats.

Your art is what you want it to be, not what you think some group wants to see.

Really, I may never sell a poem, ever, and I don't care. I refuse to write garbage because the form has been hijacked by idiots.

337 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:43am

re: #329 laZardo

IF... (and I'm agreeing with you here, LaZ) IF the Congress actually functions, bi-partisan, must seek real agreement, etc... THEN Obama is limited, edged, confined.

Les and I and others were concerned that IF Obama and Team ELIMINATE the checks & balances, its Merderous and Nasty, fast!

338 TheMatrix31  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:55:18am

Just looking at some houses in the suburbs of Dallas, and WOW. These prices and houses are PHENOMENAL!

Maybe I'm just shocked at how high prices in LA are, but man...my family DEFINITELY needs to move out there pronto.

339 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:55:40am

re: #337 Karridine

And as I insist, it is not likely to completely fall into place in two years. Remember, Congress just makes the laws that the Courts evaluate and the President approves/enforces. If it is a branch of government that's likely to be the rubber-stamper, it will be the Judicial and Executive branches.

A presidency cannot function on Executive Orders alone.

340 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:56:07am

re: #312 laZardo

All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.

On the radio last night Mark Simone explained that under the old Fairness Doctrine rules, If something negative was said about one side a letter had to be sent to the offended party explaining the offense and offering rebuttal time. He said that it was a nightmare for the control room who had to document all remarks and then get the letters out.

341 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:57:42am

re: #336 Stonemason

Just because we will have a black President come January does not mean that the color of the "power" that "truth bespoke" to has exactly changed. Not that it's supposed to have any color but you get the idea. There are still the institutions and the belief systems to handle.

342 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:58:05am

re: #336 Stonemason

I agree.

LaZ- challenge them to be intellectually honest.

343 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:59:17am

re: #340 tappin52

Sounds like the biggest casualties of that will not necessarily be either conservatives nor liberals, but the media stations running them, from letter overload and fines. LOL.

344 akak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:59:41am

re: #299 littleoldlady

Wait a minute. They fired a general manager after winning the World Series?!

/something else to process?


didn't he quit?

His M.O - build a great team then leave.

345 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:01am

re: #335 laZardo

I suspect that even the most dense liberal would be hesitant to make an appearence on the Rush Limbaugh show (as a guest, at least. I've heard lib callers on the program before).

I think it was Hannity a few years back who had some ANSWER type on the show spouting the 'Bush lied, no WMDs' meme. (via telephone) Hannity read these statements from 'the president' on how Saddam Hussein's WMD program was more advanced than thought and that the international community has to act etc etc...

Right on cue, the ANSWER guest said 'All lies! Bush is lying!"

Hannity resonded that he was reading off a transcript of Bill Clinton's speech on the subjecy circa 1998.

346 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:26am

re: #342 Sharmuta

I once offered a lot of Republican/"Team Arnold" viewpoints during a forum on the 2005 Special Measures election and one of the organizers - a real "moonbat" history teacher - complimented me on being "devil's advocate" when the Team Arnold members failed to show up. I figure I can still be a proper "devil's advocate" without falling out of their favor.

/though personally...I'd just be an advocate.

347 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:42am

Good night all. Keyboard wants to hit me in the face.

348 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:52am

Of course- if an international crisis should arrive, as promised by Vice President-elect Gaffemeister, then who knows how much time 0bama would have to focus on domestic policy.

349 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:08am

re: #339 laZardo

A presidency cannot function on Executive Orders alone.

Under normal conditions, yes, but what we're examining these days is the suddenly ABNORMAL situation and ABNORMAL possibilities thrust on us by recent events...

Hope!
*spare change?*

350 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:17am

re: #341 laZardo

Yeah, I know, "the man" needs to dealt with, and all those Bible thumpers too...

Do people really not understand that the institution of our government is what protects the right to speak ill of said institution?

What I meat has been bandied about recently in some circles, all those 'cutting edge' folk are really just acting in a vacuum of thier own making, practicing safe art for a captive audience. true art should create emotions in everyone, not just some percieved 'other'.

Sheesh, sorry 'bout all that, mainly I get where you are right now, really I do, and I think you will be fine. (and you will be back)

351 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:31am

re: #345 Fenway_Nation

I suspect that even the most dense liberal would be hesitant to make an appearence on the Rush Limbaugh show (as a guest, at least. I've heard lib callers on the program before).

I think it was Hannity a few years back who had some ANSWER type on the show spouting the 'Bush lied, no WMDs' meme. (via telephone) Hannity read these statements from 'the president' on how Saddam Hussein's WMD program was more advanced than thought and that the international community has to act etc etc...

Right on cue, the ANSWER guest said 'All lies! Bush is lying!"

Hannity responded that he was reading off a transcript of Bill Clinton's speech on the subject circa 1998.

PWNED. lol

But the Fairness Doctrine could mandate that they have to join anyway...and there shall be much savaging of them.

352 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:03:28am

re: #343 laZardo

That is exactly the point. The stations may then decide to change formats to eliminate the hassle, thereby granting the liberals what they wanted, which is silencing the biggest thorn in their side.

353 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:03:51am

re: #343 laZardo


That is the idea, swamp the radio stations with fines, they will not host Conservative shows and liberal shows will be free to continue. By that I mean Stern, Opie, and the like. NPR won't be affected.

354 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:04:30am

re: #345 Fenway_Nation

Reminds me of a sitcom drama where a lawyer is reading "lyrics" from a rap band that he's defending. The person suing jumps up and screams that these are an example of how degenerate, etc. The person reading stops adjusts his glasses and says "Oh, sorry. I got my papers mixed up. That was Thomas Jefferson."

/quote was the tree of liberty piece.
//love nailing moonbats with that bait and switch.

355 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:05:35am

re: #352 tappin52

That is exactly the point. The stations may then decide to change formats to eliminate the hassle, thereby granting the liberals what they wanted, which is silencing the biggest thorn in their side.

...and we just witnessed firsthand the results of our communications media communicating THEIR OWN CHOSEN REALITY instead of objective truth... Disastrous!

356 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:07:16am

Years ago (I'm talking YEARS) one of the womens' magazines had a monthly feature called, Can This Marriage Be Saved?

That's where I'm at right now. Can this country be saved? There was SO MUCH negative out there about Obama that even with the media running interference SOMETHING should have filtered through to more people. What I'm discovering is, I think a lot of them knew, but engaged in The Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

I'm feel as though I'm stuck in the middle of yet another remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers...

357 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:07:29am

re: #355 Karridine

Absolutely!

358 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:08:18am

See laZardo, we really are the community you want.

359 jim in virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:08:21am

Story out this morning that North Korea is prepaerd to "deal with" the new Obama administration.
How reassuring.
Morning lizards!

360 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:09:59am

re: #351 laZardo

PWNED. lol

But the Fairness Doctrine could mandate that they have to join anyway...and there shall be much savaging of them.


Ha ha...I could see them quaking and wetting their pants howling "I DON'T WANNA GOOO!" as they're loaded up into the car to drive off to so-and-so's studio, remembering how the last lib that set foot in there got turned into mincemeat.

Then again, I can imagine the most staunch conservative trying to down a fistful of sleeping pills if they were obligated to show up because the fairness doctorine was applied to this.

361 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:06am

re: #356 littleoldlady

I'm feel as though I'm stuck in the middle of yet another remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers...

Maybe, but at least people in this world have a chance to wake up. Let's hope it's not to late for them. And us.

/Oh, and if anyone out there is wondering why I comment on the American politics. It's because anything that happens down there, affects stuff up here. Like Trudeau said, "It's like sleeping with and elephant."

362 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:17am

Remember "The Matrix"?

When we have a simulated reality hooked into our Nervous System, we cannot tell the difference between that simulation and 'reality'... then if we're 'killed' by software, we become dead in this real world...

When our MSM feed us a false reality, in a frequent, regular, concerted manner, it is NOT amazing that we (Americans) will make decision based on that lie, AS IF it were not a cunning simulation...

363 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:23am

re: #359 jim in virginia

More lying, obfuscating, and asshattery!

364 Stonemason  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:48am

re: #356 littleoldlady


As my father likes to say: "Humans are creatures of extremeism"

We are just in one of those pendulum swings, som many people bought into the meme that Bush was such a failure we couldn't even think of electing another Republican. The reality is that Bush was not a failure, and even if he was McCain was not Bush. No one took the time to think that through and now we are where we are, waiting to see how Mr. Obama works out.

It's not gonna be all that bad, too many checks as pointed out by Lazardo, not enough time.

365 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:11:02am

Just got this in an email. The text was centered on the page, so if you email it around, format it with the text centered:


PSALM 2008-2012
FIRST BOOK OF REPUBLICAN:

LORD OBAMA IS MY SHEPHERD,
I MUST NOT WANT
(MATERIAL THINGS)

HE LEADETH ME BESIDE
(STILL FACTORIES)

HE RESTORETH MY FAITH
(IN THE GRAND OLD PARTY)

HE GUIDETH ME ALONG THE PATH
(OF UNEMPLOYMENT)

MIGHTILY CONTENT
(THAT WE ARE NOW ALL EQUALLY POOR)

YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY
(OF THE SHADOW OF THE BREAD LINE)

I SHALL FEAR NO
(OPPRESSED MINORITY OR ILLEGAL ALIEN)

FOR VERILY,
LORD OBAMA WILL BLESS THEM
AND
EASE THEIR HEAVY BURDEN
(OF MISSING AMBITION AND FREELOADER WORK-ETHIC)

AND I WILL BE SAVED
(FROM THUGS AND PILLAGING)
BY LORD OBAMA
(AND HIS BENEVOLENT CIVILIAN PEACEKEEPING ARMY)

ALL ARE WELCOME
(TO BELLY UP TO AMERICA'S BIG TROUGH)

NONE ARE TURNED AWAY
(EXCEPT HARD-WORKING ENTREPRENEURS)

EACH DESERVES HIS FAIR SHARE
(OF THE GROSSLY EVIL FRUITS OF CAPITALIST AMERICA'S LABOR)

OBAMA ANOINTS
(MY INCOME WITH TAXES)

MY COMPANY'S EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER
(UNLESS I OUT-SOURCE MY SERVICES)

A LIFE OF EASE AND PROSPERITY
(WILL AVOID ME ALL OF MY DAYS)

BEHOLD, I WILL LIVE FOREVER
(IN A RENTED HOME),

BOTHERED BY NO THING
(AS MUCH AS MY COUNTRY'S STAGGERING DEBT
TO FUTURE GENERATIONS)

VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO THEE
IT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
THAT
LORD BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
HAS BEEN CHOSEN AS THE SAVIOR OF A TROUBLED USA.

===
IT'S HIS FIRST JOB, SO FOR GOD'S SAKE, WATCH HIM LIKE A HAWK!
===

366 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:12:35am

re: #350 Stonemason

Actually, I'm specifically in the major of Industrial Design. Meaning I'll be designing products people use, and after Graduate Studies (hopefully), the cars people drive. While "individuality" may be required to help make a name, a degree of conformity is also required so that the products are "sellable.'

367 jim in virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:13:13am

re: #356 littleoldlady
I heard an analysis that made sense- turnout was not much bigger than 2004, but a lot of Republicans did not vote, and a lot of new voters came out for Obama.
My take: Churchill lost the first election after WW2; Bush 1 lost after Gulf War 1. Win a war, lose an election. The economy didn't help Republicans, plus it s hard to compete against a half billion dollar campaign budget.

368 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:14:29am

re: #362 Karridine

I agree. But I think there is no amount of spin and distortion that's going to be able to cover for the coming disaster that will be the next administration. I think we might see one of the biggest cluster f*cks in history coming down the pike, and quickly. The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people. What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.

369 summergurl  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:15:57am

All I can say to BO after winning this election is '

"Good Luck with that".

370 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:08am

Good morning, Lizards.

371 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:27am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess!

372 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:44am

re: #367 jim in virginia

{My Rove}

I've been on the losing end of an election before, when "my guy" didn't win.

This is different. This time my country lost.

373 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:49am

re: #352 tappin52

The only reason I could agree with that is because "liberal" stations are currently more moneyed.

374 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:57am

re: #367 jim in virginia


My take: Churchill lost the first election after WW2; Bush 1 lost after Gulf War 1. Win a war, lose an election. The economy didn't help Republicans, plus it s hard to compete against a half billion dollar campaign budget.

Except we have the lickspittles and quislings in the media assuring us that we lost both wars. Or if we are winning, the cost is too high in lives and money...

375 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:17:18am

re: #362 Karridine

I remember The Matrix.

Wonder if he logged off yet. >_>

376 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:17:43am

Morning Goddess

LaZardo:

You sound too bright to become a lefty for social reasons. You'd go nuts trying to conform.

377 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:20am

re: #368 Sharmuta

If they believed it was all "George Bush's fault" for the past 8 years, what's stopping them from believing it for another 4 (or godforbid 8) years?

378 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:22am

re: #368 Sharmuta

What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.

Whatever the crisis is, they'll insist that it's blowback from eight years of plicy failure by the Bush administration.

379 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:23am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning goddess. Ready to take on and change the world today?

380 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:41am

re: #368 Sharmuta

Well, you're right. But THAT's where I came into this, fuster-clucking new-guy socialist suit and all...

The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people.

EGGS Ackley! When its too big, too abrupt, too murderous to HIDE, THAT is when the japery and puppetry become public, bigtime...

Ahh... well... dinner time in early-dark suburban Bangkok... Seize yawl tomorrow...

381 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:19:54am

re: #380 Karridine

Ahh... well... dinner time in early-dark suburban Bangkok... Seize yawl tomorrow...

One of those delicious Thai sloops, no doubt.

382 jim in virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:18am

re: #319 Sharmuta
Upding! (except the upding is broken.)
Dems ran against Bush in 2002, 2004 and 2006. They offerrd nothing except that they were not GWB. We can run agianst Obama, Reid and Pelosi but the GOP has to offer an alternative. What are we FOR?
My short answer: National security. I pray Obama understands the concept but I have serious doubts.

383 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:21am

re: #368 Sharmuta

I completely disagree with you on that. You've not seen anything yet as far as spin goes. Chris Mathews the other day, said “I want to do everything I can to make … this new presidency work” Anything, and I mean anything bad that happens will be spun as 8 yrs of Bush's failed policies of the past, and don't you just know it, it's going to take two terms to straighten out the mess that Bushco left us.

And he will have the full support of the MSM, which will do his bidding. Nothing will stop him.

384 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:30am

Night Karridine, see you on the flip side.

385 Karridine  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:47am

re: #381 Moe Katz

Hey, Moe! You're sharp on the uptake, Kiddo! :D

386 jim in virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:00am

{goddess}
Dogs rule, cats drool...

387 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:08am

re: #385 Karridine

Hey, Moe! You're sharp on the uptake, Kiddo! :D

Bad sinuses keeping me awake, at least the brain functions.

388 summergurl  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:26am

re: #378 Fenway_Nation

Whatever the crisis is, they'll insist that it's blowback from eight years of plicy failure by the Bush administration.

Exactly! It will continue to be an "inheritance" for as long as they are in the office.

389 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:31am

re: #376 Moe Katz

Morning Goddess

LaZardo:

You sound too bright to become a lefty for social reasons. You'd go nuts trying to conform.

For reasons relating to my inability to socialize (has to do with Asperger's Syndrome, working on that), I already have been diagnosed as "nuts."

How bad could it get if I cure that inability?

390 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:43am

re: #386 jim in virginia

{goddess}
Dogs rule, cats drool...

Ooooh, you're in for it now jim. :D

/sitting back to watch the fur fly.

391 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:45am

re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

{lol}

392 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:49am

re: #380 Karridine

Night. Don't forget my e-mail.

393 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:22:11am

Good morning Night Owls & early risers.

394 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:24:25am

re: #389 laZardo

For reasons relating to my inability to socialize (has to do with Asperger's Syndrome, working on that), I already have been diagnosed as "nuts."

How bad could it get if I cure that inability?

Just be yourself. Politics isn't the only way to have a common bond with people.

395 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:24:32am

re: #249 HD Woman

Speaking of insane policies, what are the odds of Dems really being able to roll our 401Ks into "guaranteed" retirement accounts like Teresa Ghilarducci was suggesting? I'd like to think they couldn't get away with it... but I don't doubt them trying.

I suspect the uproar from middle America would shake the foundations of the White House.

Whether the White House would care about that, I have no idea.

396 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:25:06am

re: #386 jim in virginia

{goddess}
Dogs rule, cats drool...

I BEG your pardon?

{jim in virginia}

{sharmuta, BlueCanuck, rightside, Moe Katz...}

397 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:26:28am

re: #362 Karridine

That's an interesting point.

The Media in the context of a political contest has a similar to that of a witness in a criminal trial. By committing perjury the witness prevents the jury from issuing a correctly informed verdict. The results of which are wrong, such as the conviction of an innocent individual, and could be disastrous, like the acquittal of a murderous psychopath. Thus the act of perjury must be treated as a punishable crime.

Similarly, when the Media misinforms the electorate the result can be disastrous. Such as the election on an individual who is philosophically and experientially unfit to hold the office.

But we're not supposed to hold reporters and publishers responsible for those destructive actions.

398 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:26:29am

Here's what I worry about. Obama's successes have come when he operates within the circles of his "comfort zone". He, in his own words from his memoir, chose his friends carefully (all bad). He did not organize and motivate a group of diverse people, they were all of similar circumstance. His election victory was, as I see it, an anomaly. A weird convergence of his rabid organization intersecting with an opportunity for another force in the populace wishing to excise a racial scar. When he tries to herd the cats into his version of Utopia, how is he going to manage the non-compliant?

399 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:00am

OK- I give up. We're fucked.

400 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:24am

re: #368 Sharmuta

I agree. But I think there is no amount of spin and distortion that's going to be able to cover for the coming disaster that will be the next administration. I think we might see one of the biggest cluster f*cks in history coming down the pike, and quickly. The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people. What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.

But they are already setting up the narrative that any failures will be the result of lingering policies of the Bush administration. I am half inclined to agree with you though, that the failures will be so great, that even a blind man could see them.

401 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:27am

PIMF!

Let's try this again...

The Media in the context of a political contest has a function similar to that of a witness in a criminal trial. By committing perjury the witness prevents the jury from issuing a correctly informed verdict. The results of which are wrong, such as the conviction of an innocent individual, and could be disastrous, like the acquittal of a murderous psychopath. Thus the act of perjury must be treated as a punishable crime.

Similarly, when the Media misinforms the electorate the result can be disastrous. Such as the election on an individual who is philosophically and experientially unfit to hold the office.

But we're not supposed to hold reporters and publishers responsible for those destructive actions.

402 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:30am

re: #394 Moe Katz

Definitely...though it's just that a good amount of Obama's supporters were the kind of my contemporaries that one would classify as "the in crowd." The trendy, wannabe rockstars and all. What made this victory particularly discouraging was that both my little bros are part of that 'crowd' (but not in the emo subcategory...emos are my personal scum of the earth.)

403 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:06am

re: #382 jim in virginia

Upding! (except the upding is broken.)
Dems ran against Bush in 2002, 2004 and 2006. They offerrd nothing except that they were not GWB. We can run agianst Obama, Reid and Pelosi but the GOP has to offer an alternative. What are we FOR?
My short answer: National security. I pray Obama understands the concept but I have serious doubts.

I would add another item: government that leaves it's citizens alone and doesn't intrude on their private lives. I think this will be a big selling point shortly.

404 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:09am

Brent Bozell now on FNC bashing McCain campaign people who are leaking stories about Palin. He is claiming that they are cowards for not doing it in the open & he doubts the veracity of the innuendos.

405 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:39am

re: #400 NC State of Mind

Nope- the Lizards have spoken. We're fucked.

406 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:41am

re: #402 laZardo

Definitely...though it's just that a good amount of Obama's supporters were the kind of my contemporaries that one would classify as "the in crowd." The trendy, wannabe rockstars and all. What made this victory particularly discouraging was that both my little bros are part of that 'crowd' (but not in the emo subcategory...emos are my personal scum of the earth.)

Pardon an old fogey---what's an emo?

407 TheMatrix31  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:50am

I see I was mentioned earlier?

408 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:29:09am

All is lost.

409 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:29:23am

re: #397 The Other Les

I personally think that Barack Obama allowed the media to believe that he was their friend, and that he would be to a degree beholden to their overinflated sense of power.
He played them, and now they're worried.

410 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:30:21am

re: #409 Bumr50

I personally think that Barack Obama allowed the media to believe that he was their friend, and that he would be to a degree beholden to their overinflated sense of power.
He played them, and now they're worried.

I think it's the opposite. They made him- he owes them. They can make him and break him.

But, I'm sure it's Bush's fault and we're fucked.

411 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:30:21am

re: #406 Moe Katz

You do not want to know.

But in case you do...

/it's a site that makes fun of EVERYTHING in the most direct terms...no slur is spared.

412 rightsideup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:31:02am

The thought of Barry in charge of our national security makes me want to puke!

BTW, does Barry smoke? I had read somewhere that he did, and that his handlers were doing everything they could to keep it from view. If that is true, wow. Serious cognitive dissonance! (Oh, and I don't have anything against anyone who smokes, just Barry).

Boy, he sure did a number on the American people.

413 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:31:04am

re: #399 Sharmuta

*WHACK WHACK WHACK* SNAP OUT OF IT! Please we need your fighting spirit. Think of all those viewers that aren't registered lizards yet that are counting on you and us. Hell, if Canada can survive through the Chretien and Martin years (almost 13 of them) you guys should at least be able to survive 4 years of Obama. After all he couldn't possibly change things over night. Your political process still works and to enact anything will take years at the least.

414 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:31:14am

re: #410 Sharmuta

I think it's the opposite. They made him- he owes them. They can make him and break him.

That explains the bailout money going to NBC's parent(?) company. It's either payoff...or protection.

415 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:31:44am

re: #404 opnion

Brent Bozell now on FNC bashing McCain campaign people who are leaking stories about Palin. He is claiming that they are cowards for not doing it in the open & he doubts the veracity of the innuendos.

I am so glad to hear this. I can't stand betrayal and disloyalty. I have to admit that the Dems are much better at avoiding internecine suicide.

416 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:32:15am

Quick update to the earlier story I linked to about Hugo Chavez nationalizing Venezuela's biggest gold mine.

Apparently he's turning right around and extending an invitation to a Russian company to operate it as a 'joint venture'.

417 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:32:31am

re: #412 rightsideup

Yes, he does. To this day he still smokes. That white house is all ours, and I don't want smoking within 15,000 miles of it.

(former smoker, almost 3yrs smoke free!)

418 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:33:18am

re: #413 BlueCanuck

*WHACK WHACK WHACK* SNAP OUT OF IT! Please we need your fighting spirit. Think of all those viewers that aren't registered lizards yet that are counting on you and us. Hell, if Canada can survive through the Chretien and Martin years (almost 13 of them) you guys should at least be able to survive 4 years of Obama. After all he couldn't possibly change things over night. Your political process still works and to enact anything will take years at the least.

You are whacking the wrong person. I'm not moving to Canada. I'm not the one who thinks the media can pull this con off forever. Whack the others. PLEASE!

I have another fight to pick elsewhere at the moment, so I'll see you guys later.

419 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:33:47am

re: #411 laZardo

You do not want to know.

But in case you do...

/it's a site that makes fun of EVERYTHING in the most direct terms...no slur is spared.

Thanks :)

It sounds to me like you're a really bright, interesting guy with Asperger's. Don't worry about being cool and belonging to the in-crowd. Maybe you're not cut out to be an emo.

420 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:34:11am

Ya know as soon as Ohio was declared for Obama I knew that was it.
The first thing that I thought of was Michelles statement, 'Barack ain't gonna let you stay the way you been."
Wonder what that meant?

421 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:34:29am

re: #416 Fenway_Nation

Quick update to the earlier story I linked to about Hugo Chavez nationalizing Venezuela's biggest gold mine.

Apparently he's turning right around and extending an invitation to a Russian company to operate it as a 'joint venture'.

Not surprising. He's desperate for cash with oil prices in free-fall.

422 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:35:13am

re: #419 Moe Katz

I smile and laugh often. That means I already fail the requirement to be emo. (; But srsly, emo is just one of the 'in' cliques. Thankfully, it's the one everyone, in or out, can enjoy beating on/up.

423 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:36:22am

re: #418 Sharmuta

Sorry, did not mean to offend. Best of luck and see you soon.

424 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:36:32am

re: #422 laZardo

I smile and laugh often. That means I already fail the requirement to be emo. (; But srsly, emo is just one of the 'in' cliques. Thankfully, it's the one everyone, in or out, can enjoy beating on/up.

You sound like you belong here on LGF, though. Try it out on the other side if you like, but I think you'll come back here.

425 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:36:46am

re: #411 laZardo

You do not want to know.

Exact words I had started typing in response, and I thought better of it. You're right, they are worthless. I like making fun of their trendy hairstyles. Stupid scene kids.

426 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:37:02am

re: #418 Sharmuta

Just laughs. What has the media been doing for the past 8 years? Telling the truth?

427 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:37:23am

re: #415 goddessoftheclassroom

I am so glad to hear this. I can't stand betrayal and disloyalty. I have to admit that the Dems are much better at avoiding internecine suicide.

Blaming Palin for the loss is really silly. She energized the entire campaign, ginned up fund raising & gave McCain a chance.

428 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:37:48am

Well I am off to bed. Only big decisions I should have tomorrow is style of bread to make. See you all later and stay scaly folks.

429 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:38:21am

re: #428 BlueCanuck

Well I am off to bed. Only big decisions I should have tomorrow is style of bread to make. See you all later and stay scaly folks.

You bake bread? Cool!

430 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:39:43am

re: #421 SixDegrees

Probably some quid-pro-quo in exchange for some military hardware. You know- for his national civilian defense force.

431 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:39:47am

re: #429 Moe Katz

I am a man of many talents. ;)

/now I am out of here.

432 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:39:54am

re: #356 littleoldlady

Can this country be saved? There was SO MUCH negative out there about Obama that even with the media running interference SOMETHING should have filtered through to more people.


Hi there, L O L. As the incurable optimist, I think it can be saved. No specific details come to mind as yet, but the optimist side of me just flat refuses to cave in. The well-being of this entire planet has been inspired, controlled and steered by our Constitutional Republic for the past 200 years, and there's an incredible quantity of intertia that is still keeping it going despite the mice nibbling on the foundation. The pendulum hit the left-hand wall and has just started swinging back. It's a slow pendulum, so give it some time to pick up speed.

Just remember that there are millions upon millions of decent, honest and ethical patriotic people out there who have, sometime in their life, taken the solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic. They highly value that document, plus their oath of loyalty.

THAT is the major regulating factor, on the side of 'saving our country'. To win this game we've got to keep our eye on the Constitution, and trap those pesky mice who consider old paper to be a delicacy.
.

433 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:40:37am

re: #427 opnion

Blaming Palin for the loss is really silly. She energized the entire campaign, ginned up fund raising & gave McCain a chance.

I hate losers who pass the buck. Especially to someone who did more than them to ensure success. These are really shameful moves IMO. Anyone think McCain will address this travesty anytime soon?

434 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:41:10am

Gonna have me a late dinner. BBL.

435 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:41:31am

good morning lizards.

You know what? I've become a bit sanguine about Barry's election. The election cycle started what? 2 years ago? The country he thought he was running to lead is not the country he got. The empty suit con man now has to actually do something. This guy is about to embark on the most miserable 4 years of his life.

436 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:41:38am

It's the economy, stupid.

437 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:43:07am

Oh this is rich, just reported that a Jihadi web site are now hosting arguements about whether the election of BHO means that they won & should stand down or is now the time to step it up.

438 Moe Katz  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:43:56am

re: #437 opnion

Oh this is rich, just reported that a Jihadi web site are now hosting arguements about whether the election of BHO means that they won & should stand down or is now the time to step it up.

Yes, tell 'em they won and they can take it easy!

439 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:44:55am

re: #435 wahabicorridor

Exactly. Does he have the stuff it takes to do it? Look what his machine does to those who disagree with him. You can't run a free country with those tactics.

440 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:45:57am

re: #433 NC State of Mind

I hate losers who pass the buck. Especially to someone who did more than them to ensure success. These are really shameful moves IMO. Anyone think McCain will address this travesty anytime soon?


Doubtful, he did not defend her during the campaign against outrageous chrges against her & her family,.
She actually sheilded McCain from a lot.

441 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:46:34am

re: #437 opnion

Oh this is rich, just reported that a Jihadi web site are now hosting arguements about whether the election of BHO means that they won & should stand down or is now the time to step it up.

What's the jihadi version of the /sarc tag? Because I guarantee it's stuck on the end of the "stand down" arguments.

442 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:48:20am

re: #427 opnion

Blaming Palin for the loss is really silly. She energized the entire campaign, ginned up fund raising & gave McCain a chance.


That's true. And it just occurred to me that, although Sarah has fantastically thick skin regarding criticism, if she now and then was a bit out-of-sorts during the last 3 months, SO WHAT? Hell, there were at least 3 predictable times during that short campaign, where she just might have had PMS. SO WHAT?

As Forrest Gump said, "My Momma done said, life is like a box of choc'lits..."

And, "It happens..."
.

443 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:48:47am

re: #438 Moe Katz

Yes, tell 'em they won and they can take it easy!

Yup, "it's all over Mohammad & Ahmed. Time to go somewhere to relax, just tell us where."

444 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:48:54am

re: #438 Moe Katz

Yes, tell 'em they won and they can take it easy!

No. Step it up. Let's give them their virgins.

445 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:50:36am

Mugabe congratulates 0bama on election results, says Zimbabwe is ready to 'mend ties'.

Who knows? He might even offer 0bama some pointers on how to overhaul the healthcare system.

446 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:50:59am

Morning all...I just finished watching the student abuse vid two threads down...

I am appaled...

I also suggest that if religion can't be taught in public schools (which is fine by me) then politicking (like having students mock vote) or any duscussion of politics should not be allowed as well.

447 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:51:06am

I wonder if there is a jihadi version of quagmire.

448 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:51:21am

re: #442 Tamron

That's true. And it just occurred to me that, although Sarah has fantastically thick skin regarding criticism, if she now and then was a bit out-of-sorts during the last 3 months, SO WHAT? Hell, there were at least 3 predictable times during that short campaign, where she just might have had PMS. SO WHAT?

As Forrest Gump said, "My Momma done said, life is like a box of choc'lits..."
If she didn't get angry with all of the flack she was taking & at McCain's failure to defend her, she wouldn't be human.

And, "It happens..."
.

449 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:51:32am

re: #61 mean Gene

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

They missed the most obvious defect in the photo. Note that the riser of the reviewing stand behind him has a "lip" on the step at either side of where Kim Jong Il is standing, but no "lip" on the part immediately behind him, where the curious shadow is.

450 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:51:34am

Barney Bush Bites Rooters Reporter

Happens about 0:25 in.

451 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:52:39am

re: #450 NC State of Mind

Good boy!

452 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:52:49am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

Mugabe congratulates 0bama on election results, says Zimbabwe is ready to 'mend ties'.

Who knows? He might even offer 0bama some pointers on how to overhaul the healthcare system.


What he is saying is , "Yo Bro, send some cash."

453 Pete-billy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:53:35am

I agree with #427 opnion, hey guys the Dems were better organized ,just check Youtube i mean the analogy between pro Bho and pro McCain videoclips. The BHO campaign Network ''pushed'' and ''placed'' better their message everywhere in internet. We lost the internet battle first and then the election, today anyone who want to win any election i think he need first the support of a part the MSM and second the internet. Perhaps im wrong but im writing only my thoughts please dont be mad with me for this.

454 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:53:41am

re: #408 Sharmuta

All is lost.

A great piece by the late Michael Kelly.

455 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:55:41am

re: #453 Pete-billy

You're allowed to use your brain.

456 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:59:11am

re: #449 Dar ul Harb

Oh. I didn't read the article, just the photo captions. They mentioned the missing "black line."

457 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:01:30am

Have a great day, Lizards.

458 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:02:41am

re: #447 tappin52

I wonder if there is a jihadi version of quagmire.

I think they call it "the surge."

Oh wait, that is their version of "getting our asses handed to us."

459 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:04:08am

re: #458 NC State of Mind

I think they call it "the surge."

Oh wait, that is their version of "getting our asses handed to us."

]
'Barack, please to send cash, we are almost being with no more ammo."

460 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:04:09am

re: #449 Dar ul Harb

They missed the most obvious defect in the photo. Note that the riser of the reviewing stand behind him has a "lip" on the step at either side of where Kim Jong Il is standing, but no "lip" on the part immediately behind him, where the curious shadow is.

Weekend at Kimmy's, anyone?

/so ronery

461 yesandno  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:08:45am

re: #442 Tamron

That's true. And it just occurred to me that, although Sarah has fantastically thick skin regarding criticism, if she now and then was a bit out-of-sorts during the last 3 months, SO WHAT? Hell, there were at least 3 predictable times during that short campaign, where she just might have had PMS. SO WHAT?

As Forrest Gump said, "My Momma done said, life is like a box of choc'lits..."

And, "It happens..."
.

ah...you are an idiot

462 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:09:02am

Morning mates! I have about an hour before I am off to work. Anyone have any good news?

463 yesandno  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:12:43am

re: #462 LoFlyer

Morning mates! I have about an hour before I am off to work. Anyone have any good news?

It's Friday and the stockmarket will be closed tomorrow...

464 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:15:39am

re: #462 LoFlyer

Morning mates! I have about an hour before I am off to work. Anyone have any good news?

“A wonder lasts nine days, and then the puppy's eyes are open.”
-Proverb

465 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:15:49am

G'day from the Nanny State Down Under to {everyone}!

Just another python eats something a lot bigger story from Down Here...

A PYTHON has been filmed trying and failing to swallow whole what looks like a wallaby.

Goodness I've just watched the video attached!

466 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:16:34am

re: #435 wahabicorridor

good morning lizards.

You know what? I've become a bit sanguine about Barry's election. The election cycle started what? 2 years ago? The country he thought he was running to lead is not the country he got. The empty suit con man now has to actually do something. This guy is about to embark on the most miserable 4 years of his life.


Barry supposedly told his gramdmother when he was 10 years old, "I'm going to be President of the United States!" It's been his lifelong ambition.

Well, now he's going to find out what it's like to get what he wished for. (You'll notice that he didn't better qualify his wish, such as "I'm going to be a really fair and just Constitutional President of this Republic!")

So along comes the likes of Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright, who both have some fascinating ideas about how to 'lead' and 'mold' the country, plus a few ready financiers who will fund his lifelong dream, and here we are today with the winner of a recent beauty contest sitting in the complicated cockpit of our national airplane, playing with the controls and saying "Gee, what's this gadget? What happens if I push this button marked "Hellfire"? Where's the autopilot? Can I raise the landing gear before we start the engines? Where's my teleprompter? Wow, Michelle, look at the wonderful view from the cockpit, even before we take off!"

Wow indeed, young man. Whenever I just THINK about your hands grabbing the controls of our national machine and tilting it strongly to the left, it makes my skin crawl.

--Which makes THIS AMAZING VIDEO quite pertinent, to prove my point.

(Airshow stunt plane loses his right wing, yet he still brings it down and lands it. Amazing control. I wish the US airship-of-state this much luck, because it also seems to have lost it's right wing just about now.)
.

467 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:19:03am

Haar, and the grog will flow tonight! Anyone notice the correlation of Obama's victory and the slide in the stock market afterwords? The media has their head in the sand but everyone else is noticing the slide. I have been giving the local rag little business this week, but the record losses have got to be hurting a lot retirement plans, including mine. It would seem that the media does not have 401 K's nor any interest in their or our future. If Obama wants to grab the plans he had better do it now while they are still worth money...

468 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:24:40am

Hey Lizards. Feeling better today-not quite so depressed. In the words of Churchill:

"You ask, what is our policy?" I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror; victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival...But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. ...Come, then, let us go forward together with our united strength."
May 13, 1940

I'm ready to fight.

469 Tamron  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:25:08am

re: #461 yesandno

ah...you are an idiot


What's your problem?
.

470 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:25:40am

re: #468 readytofight
We are the loyal opposition mate!

471 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:28:02am

Good morning folks.

After the largest 2 day drop in history after an election, look for the market to start the day up a little. The futures are up 1 to 2%, the Nikkei lost about 5% while the Hang Seng increased about 6%.

Three things to keep an eye on today.

1. The unemployment numbers are set to be released about 9:30 am Chicago time. The market expected an increase of about 200,000. Anything more than that, look out.

2. Keep an eye on Goldman Sachs today. When Buffet bought in a month agot Goldman Sachs was at about $123 a share. It's now at about $81. If you see Goldman Sachs drop below $80 a share today, look for the market to tumble.

3. With President-elect Obama;s Marxist views, nobody out there is willing to step into the market in a big way and start buying up these bargains. Why take the risk with your money? Obama has a press conference at 1:30 today. He can't vote "present" now. There will be the inevitable questions today about the economy, even a total whore like Chris Matthews would have to ask that. Pay very close attention to what Obama says about the economy. My guess is he will just continue to blame Republicans and talk about hope/change.

The best scenario for the country would be if he repudiated his Marxist views and backed off his claim of raising taxes.

472 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:29:41am

By the way, John Kerry is one of the leading candidates for Secretary of State.

473 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:30:53am

I have been spending the last couple of days looking at "assualt weapons" because we know that a new ban is is in the works. I was looking at .308 versions of M-16 and they seem kinda pricey, 1500 or so. Looked at new versions of the M-14 and they are going for like 3500! Seriously thinking SKS mates!

474 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:30:54am

Re:470

Yes, and we are ready to fight. Maybe Obama and his thugs are just what we need to kick butt.

475 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:31:12am

re: #472 3 wood

At least we KNOW him.

476 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:31:49am

One good thing (for me) to come out of our dreadful election last year when Rudd the Dud was elected PM, and now your election, is that I've decided to do something instead of just whinging

Today I sent away my cheque and application form to become a member of the Liberal Party (our conservative party) and I intend to be available for our elections as a fully active member - handing out literature, attending branch meetings...

It's about time I got off my backside I reckon and participate in the whole process

477 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:32:19am

re: #472 3 wood

By the way, John Kerry is one of the leading candidates for Secretary of State.


I am surprised they aren't thinking of making him secretary of defense!
/Fracken traitor he is mates!

478 Dustyvet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:32:31am

re: #43 stonemason

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

A shot rang out...

479 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:34:28am

Politico's headline reads "Dems split over Treasury choice."

It would be a lot less scary if a bunch of idiots hadn't made it the most powerful position in the world a few weeks back.

480 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:34:36am

Re: 476

We're thinking alike. I did the same thing yesterday; I called the chairman of our local party and said put me to work; I'll do anything.

Maybe there's more of this going on.

481 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:34:37am

Good morning, Omerica!

[Link: www.change.gov...]

From the “Office of the President Elect” (the what?)

QUOTE The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start. END QUOTE

100 hours each year in college, done like a part-time job, 20 hours a week, comes to 5 weeks each year, or half the summer. That's HALF of the summer that a student could be working to PAY FOR college expenses.

Done during the school year, 30 weeks of classes, that's more than 3 hours a week, or half a day a week all school year long, not counting transportation and the COST of transportation and the pollution of it.

I'd love to be there to see the expression on their faces when college students find out that the candidate they voted for is telling them NOW that he's going to REQUIRE them to work for free --- half a day of every week of the school year or half of their entire summer, every summer. LOL Or poor kids who need to start working to get a foot onto the bottom of the ladder. Or rich people who had no intention for THEIR kids to do any kind of work.

Gee, I wonder what this is going to do to wages.

This is going to be a VERY INTERESTING 4 years. :-)

482 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:35:26am

re: #476 aussiemagpie

One good thing (for me) to come out of our dreadful election last year when Rudd the Dud was elected PM, and now your election, is that I've decided to do something instead of just whinging

Today I sent away my cheque and application form to become a member of the Liberal Party (our conservative party) and I intend to be available for our elections as a fully active member - handing out literature, attending branch meetings...

It's about time I got off my backside I reckon and participate in the whole process

Good for you AMP! It is time to take command of our election process, be the solution mate!

483 quickjustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:36:16am

re: #471 3 wood

Obama won't lead. He'll be led around by the Democrat leadership. His track record tells us who he is-- a risk averse "get along, go along" guy. He's FDR on domestic policy, and Jimmy Carter on foreign policy.

Mandatory reading for lizards: Amity Shlaes's "Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression", which demonstrates that FDR's domestic policies prolonged the Great Depression by ten years.

484 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:36:49am

re: #481 nonic

Maybe he'll have them generate energy;-)

485 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:37:21am

re: #462 LoFlyer

Morning mates! I have about an hour before I am off to work. Anyone have any good news?

We are the good news.

We Fight
We Never Give Up
We Never Quit
We Make History

And WE WILL!

486 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:38:19am

re: #468 readytofight

I'm ready to fight.

I respect the office of President.

I learned everything I need to know about the President-elect with his "spread the wealth" comments.

I will not stand idly by and watch a Marxist ruin my country with out speaking out.

487 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:39:29am

re: #430 Fenway_Nation

Probably some quid-pro-quo in exchange for some military hardware. You know- for his national civilian defense force.

Probably. Say it with me, children: "Soviet Client State."

488 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:40:56am

re: #480 readytofight

Yes I'd say there would be a lot of people who value freedom from government interference, national security, rewards not taxes for hard work etc, who are doing this

This is the first time I've been so motivated and energised to DO SOMETHING

489 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:41:25am

The Obama machine, coupled with Pelosi and Reid will be nothing short of political terrorism.

Is that too strong a word? I can't think of any other that fits.

490 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:41:28am

re: #473 LoFlyer

There are some good cheap conversions kits for SKSs also. Makes the gun take 30 round magazines, etc. Not too difficult - one of my kids put one together.

491 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:41:50am

re: #485 Tigger2005

We are the good news.

We Fight
We Never Give Up
We Never Quit
We Make History

And WE WILL!

Well over the last couple of days I have heard more gloom and doom on this site than I have ever seen, it got so bad I had to give up on LGF for a day, I just coudn't handle it anymore. Glad to see LGF'ers standing up to the plate again, mates! I suspect this fight is going to be much worse than anyone can imagine..

492 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:43:10am

Re: 486

I also respect the office, and I pray Obama is not what we think he is. I hope he is the best President we've ever had, but I just don't see it.

But...Like you, I'm ready to fight for my country.

493 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:44:32am

re: #472 3 wood

By the way, John Kerry is one of the leading candidates for Secretary of State.

I've heard his name floated. It's not a choice that makes any sense to me. Kerry did nothing to ensure an Obama victory; he doesn't have any expertise in foreign policy (or much of anything else except hair styling); and such a choice would be rabidly polarizing. It's hard to imaging a worse selection from any viewpoint.

Keep in mind: one reason we're hearing these rumors at all is that they're being floated as trial balloons in order to gauge public reaction. If they're met with widespread fits of vomiting, they'll vanish from consideration.

494 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:44:46am

Let's see what we know about our President-elect already.

1. Friends with an unrepentant terrorist.

2. Wants to spread your wealth.

3. Appointed left wing rabid attack dog Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff. This man sent a democratic pollster a dead fish and has told Republicans to go "f*** themselves". Emanuel said on Chicago radio that he see's the vote results as a mandate to move sharply left.

4. Considering "I voted for it before I voted against it" John Kerry for Secretary of State.

5. Thinks Iran is a small country that can't hurt us.

Draw your own conclusions.

495 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:44:56am

re: #490 legalpad

There are some good cheap conversions kits for SKSs also. Makes the gun take 30 round magazines, etc. Not too difficult - one of my kids put one together.

'Me trusty neighbor is a gun dealer, I will consult with him over the weekend. I understand he is doing fantastic business with the Obama victory!

496 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:45:01am

re: #471 3 wood

The best scenario for the country would be if he repudiated his Marxist views and backed off his claim of raising taxes.

Bwahahaha! [pant!pant!] Bwahahaha!

/I think I'll cash out the 401k in the morning and beat the afternoon rush...

497 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:45:58am

re: #482 LoFlyer

Good for you AMP! It is time to take command of our election process, be the solution mate!

Hi there matey :-)

Yes for sure - it's a different election process here as we HAVE to vote, so instead of getting people into the polling booth I'll be working on getting them to vote for the right person!

Starting with my lefty lawyer MOTH...

498 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:46:32am

re: #481 nonic

My kid didn't vote for Obama. Can she redistribute her volunteer hours among her friends that did?

499 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:46:46am

re: #496 littleoldlady

Oh come on. Where's the HOPE?

500 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:47:31am

re: #499 Bumr50

Oh come on. Where's the HOPE?

I'm just trying to keep the (small) CHANGE!

501 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:48:01am

re: #481 nonic

Doesn't that asshole know that slavery is illegal in America?

502 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:48:45am

re: #501 MandyManners

Doesn't that asshole know that slavery is illegal in America?

This is part of his plan for reparations.

503 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:48:47am

re: #481 nonic

Hello nonic, and I'm just laughing so much about this...those college kids will definitely now be having brain explosions trying to comprehend this!

504 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:49:22am

re: #493 SixDegrees

I've heard his name floated. It's not a choice that makes any sense to me. Kerry did nothing to ensure an Obama victory; he doesn't have any expertise in foreign policy (or much of anything else except hair styling); and such a choice would be rabidly polarizing. It's hard to imaging a worse selection from any viewpoint.

It makes all the sense in the world if you are familiar with Chicago politics. The Chicago way is to smile at your opponent and talk bipartisanship all the while kicking them in the privates and destroying them. The Republican party in Illinois is basically non-functioning in large part to their listening to some of this over the years and dropped their guard.

That is the Democrats plan for the Republicans in Washington. And Rahm Emanuel is their Luca Brasi.

505 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:49:37am

Here's some nice t-shirts, bumper stickers.

506 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:49:37am

re: #496 littleoldlady

Bwahahaha! [pant!pant!] Bwahahaha!

/I think I'll cash out the 401k in the morning and beat the afternoon rush...

Stick it out mate, Obama and the Socialists can talk all they want about grabbing the 401 K's but they will lose the next election big-time if they do so, and they know it. Messing with private pension funds is suicide and even Obama knows better than to touch them...

507 mama winger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:50:57am

re: #504 3 wood

If you like Chicago Machine Thug Politics, you are gonna love the Obama Administration.


On my way out the door to work - have a great day. Keep the faith. Keep fighting the Machine.

508 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:51:04am

re: #497 aussiemagpie

Hi there matey :-)

Yes for sure - it's a different election process here as we HAVE to vote, so instead of getting people into the polling booth I'll be working on getting them to vote for the right person!

Starting with my lefty lawyer MOTH...

Haar, sounds like a tall order mate, but it looks like you are up for the task! Best of luck mate!

509 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:51:07am

I think that calling the thugocracy, Alinskyism, social justice..the whole coup to shift dramatically left "Political Terrorism" would resonate better among independents and demonstrate the GRAVE threat that these ideals pose to our national security.

Just a thought.

510 mama winger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:52:03am

re: #505 legalpad

Here's some even nicer ones - my store :)

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

511 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:52:10am

re: #501 MandyManners

Doesn't that asshole know that slavery is illegal in America?

Part of the Marxist mindset is that they see your income as being actually theirs, they just let you keep a part of it out of there generosity.

512 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:52:38am

re: #506 LoFlyer

Sinking ship.

/lousy swimmer

513 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:53:54am

re: #510 mama winger

Niiice!

514 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:53:54am

re: The sliming of Sarah Palin: Yesterday Erick Ericson of redstate.com was on Glenn Beck's radio show. He has started something called Project Leper, devoted to outing and stigmatizing the people who crucified Palin for their own careers. My sister sent me the transcript.

GLENN: Let's go to Erick Erickson. He is with redstate.com and working on Project Leper which I just, I love the name of that, Erick. Tell me about Project Leper.
ERICKSON: Well, Glenn, first I hear what you're saying and, no thank you, I'm a happily married man.

GLENN: I don't think I've said that in a long time. God bless you, Erick. Thanks, man.

ERICKSON: Project Leper, there's this effort underway right now, McCain staffers who are trying to hitch their ride to a 2012 candidate already are out just smearing Sarah Palin. The leaks they are going with as well are so absurd claiming that Palin didn't know what NAFTA was, that Palin thought Africa was a country instead of a continent: They're just bizarre. We do know that one of the smears in chief as some of the other people in the McCain are calling her is Nicole Wallace who was picked to be Palin's PR person on the campaign -- in fact, I'm told by two different people on the campaign that she was in the office several weeks before the election raling against Palin because Palin wouldn't keep to the talking points. According to Newsweek, by the way, the talking points were that the McCain campaign didn't want to talk about Bill Ayers and Palin made them forcibly made them talk about Bill Ayers.

GLENN: Boy, that sucks. Here's the thing. I think Sarah Palin did go rogue a little bit because I think that she knew, "Look, I'm not going to be trashed by these people." I think she got the impression when she finally got in there -- you tell me Erick, what you think. I think she got in there and she realized I'm going to have my career destroyed by these people because of their advice and how they want me. And you know what? You picked me, you picked me for a reason. I'm not going to be your little chew toy to chew up and then spit off onto the side when you lose. I'm not going to be blamed for it. I think she did go rogue.

ERICKSON: I absolutely think you are right. In fact, if you read some of these profiles, you know all the reporters write the long "Behind the scenes" looks after the campaign's over, they're sworn to secrecy. They didn't want her to talk about Bill Ayers. She had to force them to talk about Joe the plumber. It's bizarre that they were so out of tune with this. Palin was the best thing that happened to this campaign. She excited the base and now these people who are preparing for 2012 are trying to throw her under the bus because they had already hitched a ride elsewhere. A lot of them are former staffers to other candidates who didn't get the nomination and now they are hoping their guy is set up for 2012.

GLENN: Okay. So tell me what Project Leper is.

ERICKSON: Project Leper is we intend to continue writing about the people on the McCain campaign who were sabotaging Sarah Palin and make them political lepers so when 2012 rolls around, they are not going to be able to work for their chosen 2012 candidate.



GLENN: Who is it? Do we have any names?

ERICKSON: We know Nicole Wallace is one of the people smearing. I've heard Steve Schmidt. I haven't been able to confirm that one yet.

GLENN: Who are they? Because I don't know.

ERICKSON: Steve Schmidt was the day-to-day manager of the McCain campaign. Nicole Wallace was McCain's press person who was put in charge of Sarah Palin's -- by the way, Nicole Wallace handled the beautiful communication shop of the Bush administration before she was put on for Sarah Palin.

GLENN: Oh, she was really good then.

ERICKSON: Yeah, exactly.

con't

515 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:54:17am

I saw a vender selling Obama T-shirts and communist style Obama banners yesterday on a street corner seriously thought about buying a T-shirt and wearing it to work just to see what kind of comments it would generate. Then I thought about the copyright royalties going to Obama and forgot the whole idea, a really bad idea mates!

516 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:54:25am

re: #508 LoFlyer

Haar, sounds like a tall order mate, but it looks like you are up for the task! Best of luck mate!

Thanks - I have to start somewhere!

517 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:54:58am

The Republicans need to step forward with a platform of low taxes, no earmarks, government out of your life, strong national security and close the borders. For starters.

518 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:55:02am

con't from my #514

GLENN: Yeah, she was very good.

ERICKSON: So we just, we want to make sure people know in 2012 these are the people out trying to smear Sarah Palin. You just don't do that. You don't run a presidential campaign and then the day after it's over start hurling blame on the candidates who put themselves out there and saw their families attacked and their lives smeared.

GLENN: Erick, what do you think, why do you think about the idea that Sarah Palin, that there's a lot of people within the Republican party that don't like her because they know she ain't going to put up with any of that kind of crap? She is not a system person. She'll keep the good stuff but she will dismantle all the bad stuff. She is not going to play anybody's game.

ERICKSON: I totally agree with you on that. If you look at a lot of the people who are upset with her, it's this old guard D.C./New York establishment who has always wanted those people as part of the base but has never wanted those people in charge of the party. Well, she's one of those people and now she's in a position to lead the party and they feel threatened.

GLENN: Is it true that John McCain said to the conservatives, you know, when they said you've got to stand up for some of these things and he said, back off; I've already given you people Sarah Palin. Have you heard that?

ERICKSON: I haven't heard that but it would not surprise me. I mean, she really was -- this is one of those things that proved Karl Rove was right in 2000, in 2004. You go to the war with your base. McCain did not. So he had to go pick Sarah Palin to bring the base along.

GLENN: And yet that is, they are blaming it on this because they are saying if Sarah Palin wouldn't have been on the ticket, if it would have been somebody like Joe Lieberman, maybe he would have won. But if it would have been somebody like Joe Lieberman, you would have had Democrats and socialists running. I mean, you would have -- half of the country would have said, well, now I don't have anybody to vote for.

I mean, I have to tell you if I heard once, I heard 1,000 times from people, and I never said this, never said this on the air because you just don't say these things, but I heard a million times from people, "I'm going to vote for John McCain and, you know, I mean, he's old. Maybe we get Sarah Palin in the first term." You know what I mean?

ERICKSON: Exactly. I mean, the McCain campaign seemed to think their strategy was to win with moderates and independents, the mushy middle. You don't win elections like that. I'm a political consultant. I've run races for 10 years. You go into the campaign by uniting your base and then picking off enough of the moderates and independents to build the 50 plus 1 coalition. You don't go in without your base and go try to get the mushy middle that everyone else is fighting for and then pick off some of your base to come along, too.

GLENN: Do me a favor, Erick. You stay in touch with us and make sure that we're alerting our audience about Project Leper as well. I want to make sure that we rat these -- I mean, you know, it's time that -- forget about the Democrats. Democrats can police themselves. It's time that the Republicans really answer to the conservatives, and I don't mean the conservatives like, "Oh, those are religious right crazy whack jobs." I mean the people that believe in the Constitution and believe in freeing people from the shackles of government. So anything we can do to help and anything you are doing in that line, you let us know, will you, Erick?

ERICKSON: I sure will. Hey, Glenn, real quick, let me tell you your advice on having family game night changed my family and is one of the best pieces of advice I've ever heard anybody give on the radio.

GLENN: Really?

519 mama winger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:55:20am

re: #513 Bumr50

Niiice!

THIS ONE has been selling like hotcakes

520 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:55:47am

re: #502 littleoldlady

This is part of his plan for reparations.

It won't work. He cannot dictate the curriculum of private schools without a major fight.

521 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:56:11am

re: #512 littleoldlady

Sinking ship.

/lousy swimmer

Hang tight LOL! The ship might of lost its rudder, but we are working on a jury-rig to get us through. It will get worse before it gets better mates!

522 mama winger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:56:17am

Gotta run - see you all in the PM

523 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:56:45am

re: #520 MandyManners

I'm just wondering if to save time my family should just show up at the jailhouse now...

524 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:57:27am

re: #511 3 wood

Part of the Marxist mindset is that they see your income as being actually theirs, they just let you keep a part of it out of there generosity.

Mighty white of them.

*rad*

525 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:57:35am

re: #510 mama winger

Here's some even nicer ones - my store :)

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

Cool! Bookmarked!

526 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:57:37am

Rustler here man i woke up to a nightmare Tuesday evening. My faith in most of America was shaken with the election of the snake oil apprentice that is Obama. He's no smooth as silk Clinton but apparently America is more willing to beleive a bad liar than a professional one.

527 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:57:42am

For those who have not seen this yet, here is total whore Chris Matthews admitting on camera that he sees his job as a journalist as helping Obama succeed.

Go about 2 minutes in. Scarborough nails him.

528 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:59:06am

re: #523 littleoldlady

I'm just wondering if to save time my family should just show up at the jailhouse now...

No.

529 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 4:59:10am

re: #521 LoFlyer

Hang tight LOL! The ship might of lost its rudder, but we are working on a jury-rig to get us through. It will get worse before it gets better mates!

I'm predicting the market is going to go low enough that waiting for then to get out will be more costly than pulling it now and paying the tax and penalty.

/I also play the Powerball...

530 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:01:28am

Kabbalah

531 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:01:58am

re: #526 rancher

Rustler here man i woke up to a nightmare Tuesday evening. My faith in most of America was shaken with the election of the snake oil apprentice that is Obama. He's no smooth as silk Clinton but apparently America is more willing to beleive a bad liar than a professional one.

What was so bad is that the media was actively complicit in the lies. Next reporter I see is going to get an ear-full. When was the last time anyone saw a reporter anyway except on the news. They could be cardboard cutouts from the way they report! Later mates! Off to work!

532 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:02:08am

re: #528 MandyManners

Oy veh. Mandy. :-(

533 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:02:19am

Re: 518

How do we help Project Leper--love that name.

534 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:02:41am

Good morning comrades Lizards...

535 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:02:44am

re: #530 So?

Kabbalah

Does that work?

536 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:03:30am

re: #527 3 wood

For those who have not seen this yet, here is total whore Chris Matthews admitting on camera that he sees his job as a journalist as helping Obama succeed.

Go about 2 minutes in. Scarborough nails him.

Matthews goes even beyond advocacy jounalism. New J School students generally see things his way.

537 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:04:25am

re: #518 wahabicorridor

Nicole Wallace

That's one.

538 VioletTiger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:04:37am

re: #527 3 wood


I saw this yesterday. So much for objective coverage. So I guess he is saying that they will spin any screw-up until it looks like brilliance.

539 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:06:14am

re: #519 mama winger

As a PA resident, I have a special connection to this shirt!

540 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:06:49am

Mandy, Have you seen this on Drudge?

541 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:07:12am

re: #534 doriangrey

Morning dorian.

542 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:08:13am

re: #534 doriangrey

Top o' the mornin!

543 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:08:51am

re: #535 littleoldlady

Does that work?

yes...

544 srb1976  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:09:01am

Good morning folks,
Just got in from work, everyone but me is fast asleep. What's new?

545 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:09:40am

re: #540 rightside

Mandy, Have you seen this on Drudge?

How did you pick off that picture and post it?

546 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:09:44am

re: #540 rightside

Mandy, Have you seen this on Drudge?

The photographer should be ashamed of himself/herself. The lighting sucked big-time.

547 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:10:17am

re: #539 Bumr50

As a PA resident, I have a special connection to this shirt!

You, roo? Me, too!

/have you hugged your gun today?

Can we add "stupid" and "masochistic" to our list of Pennsylvania adjectives now that the election is over?

548 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:10:28am

re: #541 rightside

Morning dorian.

Good morning to you rightside...

re: #542 Bumr50

Top o' the mornin!

Morning Bumr50...

549 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:10:53am

And that's the HAPPY Michelle...

550 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:10:56am

#503 aussiemagpie

All parents know that you hope and pray that your kids will learn the lessons they need to learn without killing themselves --- for instance, crash the car speeding but not hurt themselves or anybody else.

I have a feeling that this is going to be the LAST time a lot of young people vote Democrat. LOL

551 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:11:39am

re: #545 So?


If using IE, right-click on the image, and select properties, and copy the URL of the image. Then, post it on here as a link with the link button.

552 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:11:39am

re: #540 rightside

Mandy, Have you seen this on Drudge?

Is that Jackie Kennedy?

553 LizardBennet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:11:54am

The President's dog Barney bit a rueters reporter. HA! Go Barney!

554 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:02am
555 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:20am

re: #550 nonic

#503 aussiemagpie

All parents know that you hope and pray that your kids will learn the lessons they need to learn without killing themselves --- for instance, crash the car speeding but not hurt themselves or anybody else.

I have a feeling that this is going to be the LAST time a lot of young people vote Democrat. LOL

We can only hope that you are right, sadly most youngens here in the US have been well indoctrinated into socialism...

556 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:34am

re: #549 littleoldlady

And that's the HAPPY Michelle...

I'd hate to be the target of the pissed-off WAB.

557 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #551 rightside

If using IE, right-click on the image, and select properties, and copy the URL of the image. Then, post it on here as a link with the link button.

I use Safari and have a Mac. No right click. No properties.

558 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:49am

re: #546 MandyManners


Maybe is was the same woman who photoshopped McCain as a "warmongerer"?

559 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:12:56am

re: #553 LizardBennet

The President's dog Barney bit a rueters reporter. HA! Go Barney!

Good dog!

560 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:13:10am

re: #553 LizardBennet

The President's dog Barney bit a rueters reporter. HA! Go Barney!

Smartest thing anyone in the White House has done in the last eight years...

561 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:13:13am

re: #553 LizardBennet

The President's dog Barney bit a rueters reporter. HA! Go Barney!

Woof.

562 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:13:43am

re: #558 rightside

Maybe is was the same woman who photoshopped McCain as a "warmongerer"?

Didn't she get into a whole heckuva' mess and lose her commission for that job?

563 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:14:01am
564 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:14:20am

re: #553 LizardBennet

Cool avatar.

565 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:14:32am

re: #550 nonic

#503 aussiemagpie

All parents know that you hope and pray that your kids will learn the lessons they need to learn without killing themselves --- for instance, crash the car speeding but not hurt themselves or anybody else.

I have a feeling that this is going to be the LAST time a lot of young people vote Democrat. LOL

Not only that, nonic, but they VOTED away the comfortable, affluent life their parents worked hard to give them.

(unintended consequences)n

566 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:15:09am

re: #565 littleoldlady

Not only that, nonic, but they VOTED away the comfortable, affluent life their parents worked hard to give them.

(unintended consequences)n

To bad they are too stupid to know it...

567 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:15:09am
568 quickredfox  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:15:11am

I am so steamed. I have avoided the TV and MSM assiduously so as to keep my equilibrium. Stopped to get some gas yesterday afternoon, which should be a harmless enough endeavor. The gas pumps had those little ad TVs on top. Usually what you see is bits of trivia, traffic conditions, but also some news bits, ads for shows, etc. What should come on but a clip from a Jimmy Kimmel show. Have never watched the show (don't need to, as I know pretty much what it is). And what's on the clip? A "joke" about McCain, about how he has more cars than Obama. It shows a car and says that Michelle and Barack share this one car, then proceeds to list all of McCain's cars, going through two or three regular cars then a bunch of those Rascal scooters that the elderly use (ha ha ha, so funny) and then a hearse. I should have walked away from the pump as soon as I saw Kimmel's face. Now I am determined to contact ABC and the advertisers on this show. How does one determine the advertisers for a show, without watching? I did stop by the show's website and saw some advertisers there. To ABC, I'm saying that from now on I'm watching no ABC shows at all (not that I have ever watched that many anyway, and haven't watched any at all for probably over a year -- but now it's official.). I am really upset about this, and would like to do *something*! What *can* we do about the MSM situation?

569 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:16:04am

re: #567 So?

Your text to link...

I did it...pressed a few keys and found properties. Thanks.

570 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:17:10am

From yesterday's Australian

Why Obama's win matters to the world


BARACK Obama's identity empowers him to relate to the rest of the world with a potential authority unknown in history, Editor-at-Large Paul Kelly writes.

BARACK Obama depicts his win as the latest realisation of the American dream. He is manifestly an agent of change yet continuity. This is the key to his victory. For many white Americans he is giving their country back to them. For many black Americans he gives them a new stake in their country.

If this is truly the meaning of Obama's victory - the idea of the US being renewed - then it matters not just for America but for the world.

Obama, in a fashion reminiscent of John Kennedy, but more than any other US president-elect, is a candidate of the world. And he is reaching out to the world aware that this election had a global participation.

And on it goes - fawning, cringeworthy...*vomit*

Just to give you a taste of what we get in our media

571 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:17:22am

re: #557 So?


Ahhh, that's slightly different then. Press and hold the following keys in this order. option, command, tilde, left bracket, PgDn, tab, caps lock, scroll lock, the pound sign, and finally the right shift key.

Then you move your mouse in a semi-elliptical fashion mimicking the orbits of electrons around a helium atom.

A dialog box should pop up, and ask you to save the image to your time machine.

Cheers!

572 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:17:27am

#520 Mandy

"It won't work. He cannot dictate the curriculum of private schools without a major fight."

Even private schools get federal aid, so he can hold that over their heads. Also, private schools need to be accreditted, so those thugs can do the arm-twisting.

573 lifeofthemind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:17:42am

Good Morning, excellent link on top about Jammie Gorelik posted by Director Blue.

574 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:17:45am

Hope
Helping
Obfuscate
Professionalism
Everywhere

575 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:18:20am

Re: 568

Not sure how to get the media, but we've got to figure out how--if they remain as they are now, it will be near to impossible to get anything accomplished.

576 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:18:25am

re: #562 MandyManners

Definitely. Although I imagine her prospects are looking up now. Official "One" photographer now.

577 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:18:28am

#555 dorian

"We can only hope that you are right, sadly most youngens here in the US have been well indoctrinated into socialism..."

Indoctrination is one thing. When it hurts them personally and they can't get a job, that's another thing.

578 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:18:53am

Here's some mellow music for my fellow Lizards this fine morning.

I'm gonna' be away from the computer a bit this morning, so, you take care of yourselves and each other.

579 LizardBennet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:19:08am

re: #564 MandyManners
Thanks

580 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:19:27am

re: #567 So?
There you go! If you type in text while that "Your text to link" is highlighted, it will be replaced with whatever you type in.

581 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:21:15am

re: #550 nonic

#503 aussiemagpie

All parents know that you hope and pray that your kids will learn the lessons they need to learn without killing themselves --- for instance, crash the car speeding but not hurt themselves or anybody else.

I have a feeling that this is going to be the LAST time a lot of young people vote Democrat. LOL

They have to learn the hard way - when this cuts into leisure time as well - goodness won't that cause some lightbulb moments for those kids

I reckon they'll keep the hardcore ones who will then continue the revolution - the rest will want freedom from this kind of hope and change:-)

582 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:22:50am

re: #551 rightside

If using IE, right-click on the image, and select properties, and copy the URL of the image. Then, post it on here as a link with the link button.

Thanks, I've often wondered how to do that! Now I just have to remember your tip...

583 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:22:51am

re: #581 aussiemagpie

They have to learn the hard way - when this cuts into leisure time as well - goodness won't that cause some lightbulb moments for those kids

I reckon they'll keep the hardcore ones who will then continue the revolution - the rest will want freedom from this kind of hope and change:-)

As long as they have a cheap and abundant supply of pot they wont care...They were programed by the educational system to be stupid and stupid they will be...

584 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:22:53am

re: #571 rightside

Ahhh, that's slightly different then. Press and hold the following keys in this order. option, command, tilde, left bracket, PgDn, tab, caps lock, scroll lock, the pound sign, and finally the right shift key.

Then you move your mouse in a semi-elliptical fashion mimicking the orbits of electrons around a helium atom.

A dialog box should pop up, and ask you to save the image to your time machine.

Cheers!

All I did was click on pic, then pressed "control" key. It opened a dialogue box with properties as one option>url. Simple

585 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:22:54am

I am not seeing avatars for some reason in IE.

586 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:23:41am
587 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:24:30am

re: #582 aussiemagpie


You're welcome. I have tons of them.

588 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:24:32am

re: #578 MandyManners

Here's some mellow music for my fellow Lizards this fine morning.

I'm gonna' be away from the computer a bit this morning, so, you take care of yourselves and each other.

I'd like to wake up with her in bed every morning.

589 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:25:24am

Lol just wait til the power goes out, and they have to go back to handwritting there assisgnments while maintaining their 100 hours of service. Actually its the interferance to Myspace they will feel most deeply tho.

590 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:25:52am

With the Latino vote going so heavy for BHO, you just know that he will fast track Comprehensive Immigration Reform to get status change & citizenship.
Border Security? forget it, the goal will be to get the potential new voters into the country & get them U.S citizenship & therefore the right to vote.
Acorn won't have to do a thing.

591 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:26:42am

re: #589 rancher

Lol just wait til the power goes out, and they have to go back to handwritting there assisgnments while maintaining their 100 hours of service. Actually its the interferance to Myspace they will feel most deeply tho.

Na, the loss of myspace will only annoy them, it's the loss of their pot that will piss them off. And Barry is probably way to smart to let that happen...

592 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:28:18am

But without Myspace they won't know who there friends are, or whats happening in the world, or like what the coolest new songs and places to hang are.

593 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:28:47am

#556 Mandy
#549 littleoldlady

Re Michelle. (yuck)

What I've been wondering is what her role will be in this presidency. The Clintons were up front, "two for the price of one."

The Obamas are not up front. Hardly! LOL

Somehow, I don't think she's gonna be satisfied to really be like Jackie and keep her nose out of it.

594 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:30:16am

re: #592 rancher

But without Myspace they won't know who there friends are, or whats happening in the world, or like what the coolest new songs and places to hang are.

Without pot they will have to...THINK... Can't have that ya know... ;)

595 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:30:55am

After 8 months the Navy finally sent me my Bonus. Hooray! Maybe Obama had something to do with it?
/the part about Obama

596 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:31:27am

re: #592 rancher

But without Myspace they won't know who there friends are, or whats happening in the world, or like what the coolest new songs and places to hang are.

And they may even have to learn how to TALK to each other, f2f.

/oh! the humanity!

597 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:31:34am

re: #583 doriangrey

As long as they have a cheap and abundant supply of pot they wont care...They were programed by the educational system to be stupid and stupid they will be...

Hi Dorian, love your car BTW

I'm confident that most young people will get over the programming - especially when compulsory volunteering hits them, or their $$$ are taken away, or their drinking/potsmoking/gaming/shopping/dating/Facebook time is rudely interrupted

598 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:32:26am

re: #593 nonic

Whatever she decides to do there's a 50-50 chance it will be illegal or at the very least unethical.

599 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:32:36am

Obama couldn't say 2 for the price of one. Hell he had all he could take not having to tell the public this is not the Michelle Obama I knew like most of the remainder of his other questionable alliance/aquaintancehips. Allthough i kinda wish they hadn't basically shut her up. Maybe if she had come out and spoken more American might have gotten a better idea of the kind of man Obama was by way of the woman he was married to.

600 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:33:02am

re: #533 readytofight

Re: 518

How do we help Project Leper--love that name.

dunno. go over to redstate.com and ask Erick

Wallace was on the Today show this morning trying to play nice ' Gov Palin did nothing wrong".

Too late bitch. Bill Kristol outed your ass yesterday.

601 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:33:34am
602 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:33:57am

Morning Comrades!

Making good hinges at the factory for the collective?

603 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:34:34am

Lol Dorian that's why Obama will probably legalize pot. Then he drive drive everyone into smoking large quantities and only have to worry about telling the youngins that they can pick up there free bag when they go vote as a registered dem : P

604 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:34:35am

re: #597 aussiemagpie

Hi Dorian, love your car BTW

I'm confident that most young people will get over the programming - especially when compulsory volunteering hits them, or their $$$ are taken away, or their drinking/potsmoking/gaming/shopping/dati ng/Facebook time is rudely interrupted

Sigh... I have to replace the windshield now... you mean, when they grow up? Cause that is what would happen if you took away their drinking/pot smoking/gaming/shopping/dating/Facebook time...

605 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:35:04am

re: #480 readytofight

Re: 476

We're thinking alike. I did the same thing yesterday; I called the chairman of our local party and said put me to work; I'll do anything.

Maybe there's more of this going on.

We're set. I'm not letting the socialists take over my country.

We have the power of the pocketbook-never underestimate that. The media can't run if they lose their advertisers, who will be feeling the pinch very soon from Barry's policies. As I noted last night, my husband got an e-mail from GoGamer promoting an "Obamadness sale". He let them know he wanted nothing further to do with their company.

I seriously advocate having a list for fellow lizards of advertisers on media outlets that print falsehoods or "distort the truth". That makes it clear why we are boycotting them. If those advertisers lose enough business and get polite but clear e-mails about why they are losing business, they will start to rethink how they spend their advertising dollars.

606 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:35:08am

re: #547 littleoldlady

How do we get rid of Specter?

607 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:35:13am

re: #602 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Comrades!

Making good hinges at the factory for the collective?

We'll find out about our future roles at a press conference this afternoon. Is OB gonna announce tax increases?

608 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:36:37am

re: #606 Bumr50
If they can't get rid of Murtha, Specter will never go.

609 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:36:55am

re: #606 Bumr50

How do we get rid of Specter?


Be careful what you ask for. Chris Matthews is thinking of running.

no joke.

610 Pete-billy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:37:18am

re: #510 mama winger

Here's some even nicer ones - my store :)

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

nice store i must say , i like it !

611 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:37:27am

re: #600 wahabicorridor

dunno. go over to redstate.com and ask Erick

Wallace was on the Today show this morning trying to play nice ' Gov Palin did nothing wrong".

Too late bitch. Bill Kristol outed your ass yesterday.

Yeah, I think that she is the perp. Some guy on FNC this morning said that at the risk of sounding sexist, that it is a female in the McCain Campaign, breaking bad on Palin.

612 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:37:30am

re: #606 Bumr50

How do we get rid of Specter?

I really don't want to say.

/last time I saw him (at a McCain rally) he did not look well at all...

613 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:38:07am

re: #587 rightside

You're welcome. I have tons of them.

Good to know and now I know who to call when I need help! :-)

614 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:38:54am

re: #609 wahabicorridor

Be careful what you ask for. Chris Matthews is thinking of running.

no joke.

How is he going to make sure Obama's presidency is a success?!

615 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:39:20am

Emmanuel has to know that he will wake up with big wide tire-marks on his ass as soon as El Presidente Electe feels any real heat over the appointment.

616 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:40:24am

re: #613 aussiemagpie These guys?

617 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:40:32am

re: #448 opnion

Pleae do not play the PMS card on us - it is so lame.

618 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:40:34am

re: #610 Pete-billy

nice store i must say , i like it !

You really do have a store. Love the messages. Our country rocks!

619 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:41:02am

re: #612 littleoldlady

I really don't want to say.

/last time I saw him (at a McCain rally) he did not look well at all...


He isn't. I was talking to staff on Monday about a possible Matthews run - I was looking forward to it because it would be fun to kick his ass. But I was told the staff is concerned that Specter just no longer has the stamina to take on someone so hyperactive.

620 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:41:08am

re: #607 midwestgak

We'll find out about our future roles at a press conference this afternoon. Is OB gonna announce tax increases?

No... besides transition stuff, he'll be all about face time until sworn in. He can ride the hopey-changey express until then w/o any actual accomplishment.

And I expect he will.

The bad news starts coming after he gets sworn in.

621 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:41:56am

re: #615 Spare O'Lake

Emmanuel has to know that he will wake up with big wide tire-marks on his ass as soon as El Presidente Electe feels any real heat over the appointment.


I don't like Emmanuel. In Chicago we have a pretty good handle on him, but he is a good choice for BHO.
He loves confrontation & will give Barry the chance to play good cop to Emmauel's bad cop.

622 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:00am

'Syria will restrain Hezbollah and Hamas if Obama shifts U.S. policy'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Sounds like the old mafia protection racket to me?

623 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:03am

However i just realized I'm being ungratious in my own defeat and self pity. A big congratulations to Pres-elect Obama you may not be my candidate, but America has spoken, and you will be my President.

624 JustAGal  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:10am

re: #471 3 wood

Numbers are out...unemployment 240,000; way higher than expected

ugh

625 Crusty  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:27am

re: #61 mean Gene

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

I think that's the puppet from "Team America"

626 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:59am

re: #604 doriangrey

Sigh... I have to replace the windshield now... you mean, when they grow up? Cause that is what would happen if you took away their drinking/pot smoking/gaming/shopping/dating/Facebook time...

LOL! I'm an optimist :-)

627 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:42:59am

Well good morning all y'all - from a slightly coolish (49 degrees, going up to 74 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

628 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:43:04am

re: #614 littleoldlady

How is he going to make sure Obama's presidency is a success?!

Obama's presidency is not going to be a success - as I noted above - and Matthews is just going to look like a pretzel.

629 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:43:16am

re: #622 Nevergiveup

'Syria will restrain Hezbollah and Hamas if Obama shifts U.S. policy'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Sounds like the old mafia protection racket to me?

"Nice little country you'se got here... be a shame if something bad happened to it."

630 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:43:21am

What are we talking about? Hey, Dorian? You've got something between your front teeth... no, you missed it, try again.

You'll have to go to a mirror.

631 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:43:51am

Good Morning Lizards!
It freaking Friday! How is everyone this fine day?

632 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:44:40am

More bad economic news: unemployment up to 6.5%, job losses at 240,000. These are both higher than the prevailing expectations of 6.3% and 200,000. I expect the markets to tank on this news.

I would behoove the Republicans to rally to this occasion, and put together a broad, comprehensive economic plan that they can put on the table NOW. Bring back the Fair Tax proposal, for starters, and sell it this time - it encourages saving, which benefits savers, banks, corporations and the nation. As a byproduct, it takes pressure off future retirees, and the large cash reserve a high savings rate will create helps everyone. Debt bad. Savings good. Sell it.

The Repubs can also begin to distinguish themselves by demanding legislation that allows people to keep more of their own money.

The Fair Tax obtains revenue through consumption, which the rich do more of and the poor do less of, so it is inherently progressive in a way that will tick off the Left (no overarching pickpocketing of wealth) and which pleases pretty much everyone else, because it makes sense, and is congruent with the Flat Tax which so many people favor. It also encourages savings, because your income isn't taxed unless you spend it.

I'd say the chances of this gaining traction in the current Congress lie between slim and none, but the Republicans need to seize the initiative here and start at least giving the appearance of leading the agenda, rather than responding to it. A solid statement on economics ought to be right up their alley, too - it would be a return to fiscal discipline, whereas on the Democratic side that would be like a voyage to an undiscovered continent.

633 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:44:53am

re: #631 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
It freaking Friday! How is everyone this fine day?

Morning Hoosier!

Grim and determined on this Glorious Double-Plus Good day. And you?

634 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:44:56am

re: #617 LindaMarie

Pleae do not play the PMS card on us - it is so lame.


I didn't. Wasn't my comment. My response posted before I actually said anything.

635 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:44:59am

re: #624 JustAGal

Numbers are out...unemployment 240,000; way higher than expected

ugh

We've only just begun. :(

636 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:45:01am

re: #609 wahabicorridor

Be careful what you ask for. Chris Matthews is thinking of running.

no joke.

How can he run with a tingly leg?
/

637 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:45:02am

I think he's going to have alot of trouble with the mandatory service for middle school and high schoolers. We parents who are already chaufferring to and from activities and supervising/volunteering at those activities already have enough to do. The hubby and I expect our kids to take part in service activities through their school and Boy Scouts and we do alot to help out with our kids' activities. The liberal parents in our area are the ones always trying to mooch rides off of other parents or not help out with things. They're not going to want to have to take their kids to more things either. I think there will be a backlash against these proposals from both sides of the fence.

638 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:45:12am

good morning realwest! got your email - thinking about writing a profound reply

;)

no really, it deserves more than a 3 liner and I'm a bit sleepy...

639 nonic  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:45:45am

#603 rancher

"Lol Dorian that's why Obama will probably legalize pot."

This election, they legalized it in Massachusetts.

640 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:46:03am

re: #631 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! How are you doing this morning?

641 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:46:14am

re: #612 littleoldlady

I really don't want to say.

/last time I saw him (at a McCain rally) he did not look well at all...

Well Stan paid Specter's dues, and Stan is going to collect on his soul sooner or later, sounds like maybe more sooner than later...

642 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:46:33am

Hey Hoops. Good morning, everybody.

643 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:46:42am

Okie dokie. I think I'm sufficiently depressed to start my day...

Good day, ALL!™

644 rancher  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:46:48am

Lol after so many years of pessimism I finally broke and became optimistic for this election and placed my faith in America. Looks like im back to Half empty magazines like the old days. But hey at least then preparing for the worst only left me pleasant happy surprises.

645 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:04am

Good morning to the recent arrivals, all.

646 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:05am

re: #627 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a slightly coolish (49 degrees, going up to 74 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good morning realwest, I hope you are feeling well this morning...

647 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:21am

re: #616 rightside

These guys?

LOL!

648 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:26am

re: #632 SixDegrees

DOW 8695.79 -443.48

649 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:29am

One of Presiident-elect's Obama's economic advisors is Michigan Governor Granholm.

Obama to Meet With Buffett, Daley, Economic Advisers

Google Inc. CEO Eric Schmidt, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm and Roel Campos, an ex-SEC commissioner, are also on the advisory board. Buffett will participate in the meeting via speakerphone, the transition said

Hey Michigan lizards out there. How's the Michigan economy been clicking along under Granholm?

650 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:47:45am

re: #633 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Hoosier!

Grim and determined on this Glorious Double-Plus Good day. And you?

I'm doing great Vet!
Hoopster Reporting to re-education camp sir:

651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:48:15am

Re Drugs

The prisons are loaded with young black men, many of whom were sentenced because of drug offenses.

Don't be surprised if Obama legalizes the usual drugs and pardons all those imprisoned because of them.

Ayers had a pro-drug legalization meme didn't he?

652 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:48:25am

re: #638 wahabicorridor
Hi {wahabi} - I'm barely awake myself, so don't sweat any delay in replying to my e-mail! LOL!
I'm doing ok, today, hope you and yours are ok too!

653 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:48:32am

re: #633 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Hoosier!

Grim and determined on this Glorious Double-Plus Good PAY day. And you?

Heh heh heh... fix'd that fer ya Vet... ;)

654 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:49:10am

Hey Veggie and Realwest..
I think the coffee has me slightly jacked up.. so if i yell too loud..let me know.

655 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:49:11am

re: #632 SixDegrees

Would you please give me a brief primer on Fair Tax? I'm clueless.

656 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:49:46am

re: #623 rancher

However i just realized I'm being ungratious in my own defeat and self pity. A big congratulations to Pres-elect Obama you may not be my candidate, but America has spoken, and you will be my President.

Maybe not big - but we need to stick together as much as we can as US citizens in an unstable world.
Written from Kabul where we are in lock down.
Annoying as it is to not be allowed to go to the usual 2 dozen places we are usually allowed, I have to admit it would be a lot more annoying to be kidnapped.

657 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:49:55am

re: #641 doriangrey
Good morning to you dorian! Uh, what's this about replacing the windshield on your Vette?!

658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:49:56am

re: #650 HoosierHoops

I'm doing great Vet!
Hoopster Reporting to re-education camp sir:

When your mind is right, you will experience total freedom.

/meet in back of the mess hall at 1330 to join the escape committee. Pass the word.

659 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:50:22am
660 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:50:43am

re: #658 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

When your mind is right, you will experience total freedom.

/meet in back of the mess hall at 1330 to join the escape committee. Pass the word.

You know, I hadn't thought about that. Where are they going to put the gulags?

661 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:51:13am

re: #632 SixDegrees

Um...I don't quite know how to break this to you, but...THE REPUBLICANS JUST GOT THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM.
Republicans will be "leading" sweet dick-all for the foreseeable future.

662 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:51:21am

re: #653 doriangrey

Heh heh heh... fix'd that fer ya Vet... ;)

Hehehe... been so long I had a regular Friday payday, I forgot... good on you!

663 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:51:36am

re: #651 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Re Drugs

The prisons are loaded with young black men, many of whom were sentenced because of drug offenses.

Don't be surprised if Obama legalizes the usual drugs and pardons all those imprisoned because of them.

Ayers had a pro-drug legalization meme didn't he?

Well that's good for basketball players...Finally it will be legal for them to smoke and shoot up strip clubs at 3am.
Finally all is right in the world..
/

664 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:51:38am

re: #643 littleoldlady
HEY! {littleoldlady} I came on the boards and suddenly you're leaving because you're depressed ? What's up with that?! LOL!

665 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:51:48am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Hoops. Good morning, everybody.

Mornin'. Doing okay today?

666 So?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:08am
667 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:16am

re: #643 littleoldlady

Okie dokie. I think I'm sufficiently depressed to start my day...

Good day, ALL!™

Nowhere to go but up? LOLOL.

668 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:22am

re: #660 livefreeor die

You know, I hadn't thought about that. Where are they going to put the gulags?

Out west. Lots of room, vast tracks of Federal Land, few spectators.

669 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:23am

re: #656 LindaMarie

Maybe not big - but we need to stick together as much as we can as US citizens in an unstable world.
Written from Kabul where we are in lock down.
Annoying as it is to not be allowed to go to the usual 2 dozen places we are usually allowed, I have to admit it would be a lot more annoying to be kidnapped.


Lockdown? NOW what?

670 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:50am

re: #660 livefreeor die

You know, I hadn't thought about that. Where are they going to put the gulags?

Alaska

671 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:52:50am

re: #668 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Out west. Lots of room, vast tracks of Federal Land, few spectators.

Well, at least the weather won't be like Siberia.

672 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:53:28am

re: #657 realwest

Good morning to you dorian! Uh, what's this about replacing the windshield on your Vette?!

Sigh... Yea, when we changed the motor my brother cracked it... Well while it was sitting in his driveway while I was having my teeth fixed we had quite a hot spell. The crack did a whole lot of growing and now covers most of the windshield... $500.00 bucks to replace... Sheesh it never seems to end...

673 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:53:39am

re: #671 livefreeor die

Well, at least the weather won't be like Siberia.

You ever been to North Dakota?

674 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:53:44am

re: #670 HoosierHoops

Alaska

Oh baby it's cold outside.

675 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:53:47am

re: #634 opnion

OK!

676 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:53:57am

re: #660 livefreeor die

You know, I hadn't thought about that. Where are they going to put the gulags?

I heart NJ is high on the list but the Genovese Family is driving a hard bargin?

677 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:54:01am

re: #627 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a slightly coolish (49 degrees, going up to 74 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

*Smooch* {realwest}

It's Saturday here, and we're heading into summer - no more bedsocks!

And...

Our State government is bankrupt and we have Rudd the Dud as PM who will be inflicting a carbon tax on us in 2010

Other than that, we're fine!

678 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:55:10am

re: #672 doriangrey

Sigh... Yea, when we changed the motor my brother cracked it... Well while it was sitting in his driveway while I was having my teeth fixed we had quite a hot spell. The crack did a whole lot of growing and now covers most of the windshield... $500.00 bucks to replace... Sheesh it never seems to end...

An awful lot of stuff going on in that one sentence. :)

679 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:55:11am

I realized I may not have been clear to our new dear leader.

My kids are not taking part in your f---ing service program. They do plenty of service on their own.

680 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:55:21am

re: #621 opnion

He loves confrontation & will give Barry the chance to play good cop to Emmauel's bad cop.

I don't think Obama has any intention of playing good cop.

681 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:55:28am

re: #655 wahabicorridor
Hey wahabi - I'll let SixDegrees answer this one, but it's sort of a play off the Flat Tax - you know, the one where you can't deduct the interest you pay on your mortgage, can't deduct local property taxes, can't deduct State Income taxes, can't deduct municipal income taxes - in other words, a way to make MOST home Mortgages eligible for a necessary bailout!

682 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:56:16am

re: #680 3 wood

I don't think Obama has any intention of playing good cop.

I don't know-he's pathologically avoidant of stating an opinion on anything.

683 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:56:20am

re: #666 So?
How appropriate his image comes up on the 666th post.

684 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:56:21am

re: #677 aussiemagpie

*Smooch* {realwest}

It's Saturday here, and we're heading into summer - no more bedsocks!

And...

Our State government is bankrupt and we have Rudd the Dud as PM who will be inflicting a carbon tax on us in 2010

Other than that, we're fine!

Hey Aussie! How is Saturday looking?
Wish it was saturday right now here...but alas

685 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:56:43am

re: #678 midwestgak

An awful lot of stuff going on in that one sentence. :)

Grammar NAZI...

686 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:56:46am

re: #654 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - I'm still working on my first cup of coffee - you KNOW I'll let you know if you get too...exuberant or something! LOL!

687 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:57:30am

re: #674 midwestgak

Oh baby it's cold outside.

Hehe They will just send you north to chicago..which ain't bad if they let you shop and hit a few nightclubs..

688 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:57:42am

re: #679 livefreeor die

I realized I may not have been clear to our new dear leader.

My kids are not taking part in your f---ing service program. They do plenty of service on their own.

Exactly. If half this junk got implemented somehow, churches might as well shut their doors. No one would have the time or money to invest in them anymore.

689 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #686 realwest

Hey Hoops - I'm still working on my first cup of coffee - you KNOW I'll let you know if you get too...exuberant or something! LOL!

I am eight weeks away from caffeine. I'm going to use a Diet Coke as my focal object during labor.

690 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:59:04am

re: #687 HoosierHoops

Hehe They will just send you north to chicago..which ain't bad if they let you shop and hit a few nightclubs..

Send me? I'm already here Hoops. :)

691 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:59:09am

re: #681 realwest


thanks sweetie - back later the fat beagle is trying to rip thru the front door which means someone is in the yeard...

692 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:59:18am

re: #688 NC State of Mind

Exactly. If half this junk got implemented somehow, churches might as well shut their doors. No one would have the time or money to invest in them anymore.


I don't think the teachers' unions are going to like the service proposal either-more stuff for them to supervise/ monitor.

693 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 5:59:35am

re: #659 doriangrey

The new Obama theme song...

And I think he'll be singing this one before too long.

694 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:00:08am

re: #689 livefreeor die

I am eight weeks away from caffeine. I'm going to use a Diet Coke as my focal object during labor.

lol, I went off caffeine went I was pregnant. But I never went back. :)

695 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:00:10am

ahhh, home with Gevalia and a large bottle of Baileys! Anybody? re: #686 realwest

Hey Hoops - I'm still working on my first cup of coffee - you KNOW I'll let you know if you get too...exuberant or something! LOL!

696 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:00:29am

re: #687 HoosierHoops

Hehe They will just send you north to chicago..which ain't bad if they let you shop and hit a few nightclubs..

I was in Chicago once to play guitar... South side I think... I was just fine in the club playing guitar... Couple of damned fools tried to shoot me when I was leaving though. I was the wrong color for the time of night and part of town, or so I was told by a cabbie as we sped off into the night...

697 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:00:36am

re: #689 livefreeor die

I am eight weeks away from caffeine. I'm going to use a Diet Coke as my focal object during labor.


You are having a baby? How cool.. Listen if you drink coffee now the baby will come out wanting to visit starbucks, read the newspaper and listen to James Taylor. It's a fact.

698 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:01:23am

re: #697 HoosierHoops

You are having a baby? How cool.. Listen if you drink coffee now the baby will come out wanting to visit starbucks, read the newspaper and listen to James Taylor. It's a fact.

Which is another vote for no caffeine!

699 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:01:58am

re: #681 realwest

Seems they are planning that anyway.
Kicking myself for pre-paying and not being eligible for a bail out.

700 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:02:14am

I am starting to get the picture that Obama will try to create a new "New Deal".

The government will be come your employer. The government will also take away your 401K and will be the source for your pension and your health care. Obama will declare victory in Iraq/Afganistan and withdraw the troops. The military will be dismantled to create a "peace dividend" to help pay for all his handouts.

701 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:02:36am

re: #684 HoosierHoops

Hey Aussie! How is Saturday looking?
Wish it was saturday right now here...but alas

Hello HH, and it's going to be a nice weekend here in Sydney

And I'm rather happy now - I actually got off my backside and DID something - sent off my membership application to the Liberal Party - so no more whinging about election results for me without having worked for what I believe in

About bloody time I did this - thinking about it for years

702 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:03:05am

re: #696 doriangrey

I was in Chicago once to play guitar... South side I think... I was just fine in the club playing guitar... Couple of damned fools tried to shoot me when I was leaving though. I was the wrong color for the time of night and part of town, or so I was told by a cabbie as we sped off into the night...

I have know many of musicians that carried guns in thier amps..

703 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:03:20am

re: #684 HoosierHoops
how will the gubmit get the money delivered throught the carbon tax? is it the fine thats owed after breaking the cap? essentially it means the gubmit owns the air? i personally am making my carbon footprint giant size just to stick it to the greenies. is that antisocial?

704 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:03:40am

re: #696 doriangrey

I was in Chicago once to play guitar... South side I think... I was just fine in the club playing guitar... Couple of damned fools tried to shoot me when I was leaving though. I was the wrong color for the time of night and part of town, or so I was told by a cabbie as we sped off into the night...

But it wasn't a hate crime. And cabbie wasn't making a racist comment.

/

705 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:03:43am

OK time for me to run off and play good prole for Comrade Obama...

706 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:03:47am

re: #700 3 wood

And he's planning on having a civilian force just as powerful as the military. Ummm, I wonder what for?/

707 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:04:06am

re: #471 3 wood

I think he'll announce the new Obamadollar, worth 100 Washingtons, and the new Alinsky penny.

708 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:04:08am

re: #682 livefreeor die

I don't know-he's pathologically avoidant of stating an opinion on anything.

Look at what the Democrats have done to the Republicans in Illinois. They have pretty much destroyed the Republican party here. That same Chicago mob is now going to the White House. That is how they operate.

709 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:04:17am

re: #669 wahabicorridor
[Sigh] - Doncha remember when Candidate Obama promised us that he'd take troops out of Iraq (thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) and send them to Afghanistan where, if the Pakistani's don't stop the Taliban and Al-Q from conducting raids into Afghanistan from the NW Frontier Provinces of Pakistan, that the President Obama would invade Pakistan? Ya, you know invade as with lots of boots on the ground, tanks and stuff like that? Maybe if I spell it Pook-ey-es-tan y'all remember it?!
For some reason the nuclear armed nation of Pakistan took umbrage at candidate Obama's promise to invade their nation, so I assume LindaMarie (waives to LindaMarie!) and others are locked down until after the invasion of Pook-ey-es-tan!

710 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:04:18am

re: #700 3 wood

The military will be dismantled to create a "peace dividend" to help pay for all his handouts.

That was my thought will Barney Frank proposed a 25% cut in the military budget.

/sure wish I lived in 'fly over' country

711 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:04:52am

re: #700 3 wood

I am starting to get the picture that Obama will try to create a new "New Deal".

The government will be come your employer. The government will also take away your 401K and will be the source for your pension and your health care. Obama will declare victory in Iraq/Afganistan and withdraw the troops. The military will be dismantled to create a "peace dividend" to help pay for all his handouts.

Yes... and don't forget the 2nd Bill of Rights: The Rights the Government has to do to you (as opposed to that nasty present BoR which has negative rights for the government).

712 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:05:07am

re: #690 midwestgak

Send me? I'm already here Hoops. :)

Did you goto the party in Grants park?
I thought you were down south abit from the city...

713 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:05:19am

re: #700 3 wood

I am starting to get the picture that Obama will try to create a new "New Deal".

The government will be come your employer. The government will also take away your 401K and will be the source for your pension and your health care. Obama will declare victory in Iraq/Afganistan and withdraw the troops. The military will be dismantled to create a "peace dividend" to help pay for all his handouts.

Well, at least in this administration you won't be hearing a bunch of bad news all the time. I heard Chris Matthews say it his job to make this administration a success (or some other crap like that).

714 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:05:26am

re: #672 doriangrey
DAMN! I'm really sorry to hear that dorian! BTW, how's your teeth?

715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:06:00am

re: #705 doriangrey

OK time for me to run off and play good prole for Comrade Obama...

Slavery is Freedom, Comrade!

The slackers are counting on you.

716 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:06:03am

Under the Republicans, man exploited man. Under Obama, it will be the other way around.
/trot out all the old Soviet jokes

717 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:06:08am

re: #696 doriangrey

I was in Chicago once to play guitar... South side I think... I was just fine in the club playing guitar... Couple of damned fools tried to shoot me when I was leaving though. I was the wrong color for the time of night and part of town, or so I was told by a cabbie as we sped off into the night...

When I worked in Chicago guns were pulled on me twice. In the loop.

718 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:06:13am

re: #698 livefreeor die

Once they are conceived and begin to grow, they have their own ideas and they become apparent when they are born.
No two babies are alike. That is the beauty of creation

719 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:07:16am

re: #712 HoosierHoops

Did you goto the party in Grants park?
I thought you were down south abit from the city...

Actually due east approx 11 miles. Hell no!

720 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:07:49am

re: #706 midwestgak

I imagine it will be a dark force

721 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:07:49am

re: #717 3 wood

Sir, you must be mistaken. Citizens aren't legally allowed to posess firearms in Chicago.

722 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:08:04am

re: #719 midwestgak

Actually due east approx 11 miles. Hell no!

So how many cars were torched and shop windows were broken during the celebration?

723 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:08:10am

re: #713 Lively

Well, at least in this administration you won't be hearing a bunch of bad news all the time. I heard Chris Matthews say it his job to make this administration a success (or some other crap like that).

go up to my #527. I have the youtube clip posted there.

724 gregg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:08:16am

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

725 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:08:44am

re: #719 midwestgak

Actually due east approx 11 miles. Hell no!

You are 11 miles east of Grant Park?

Live on a boat or something?

726 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:08:52am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

[deleted]!

727 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:07am

re: #706 midwestgak

And he's planning on having a civilian force just as powerful as the military. Ummm, I wonder what for?/

KGB Obama style.

728 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:13am

re: #677 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussiemagpie}! *Smooch* right back to ya! Rudd the Dud huh? I like that!
We oughta have a contest for Obama and whoever was his running mate...Joe something or other.
Ya know, the most apt description for 'em.
Though, I gues to be fair we ought to let him have at least a week in office first.
Oh well.
How are you and yours today?

729 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:31am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

I'll come on in 2010/11 to announce my canidacy for president?

730 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:40am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

"Let me get back to you on that."

731 Dustyvet  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:47am

Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a Lieutenant who inspected his men and told the 'gunny' that they smelled bad. The Lieutenant suggested that they change their underwear.
The Gunny responded, "Aye, aye, sir, I'll see to it immediately!"
He went into the tent and said, "The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones. McCarthy, you change with Dzwill. Brown, you change with Schultz. Get to it."

The moral: A candidate may promise 'change' in Washington, but don't count on things smelling any better.

732 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:09:49am

shit, I feel like the tree falling in the forrest with no one around to hear it! ok lgf, your cut off for four days.

733 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:10:12am

re: #722 livefreeor die

So how many cars were torched and shop windows were broken during the celebration?

Honestly, I ignored the whole thing. Didn't watch it, didn't follow up with it the next day. If there was anything damaged, I haven't heard about it.

You know, you really can stick your head in the sand!

734 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:10:13am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

Go for it... she has to get a counter-story out there before the press manages to turn her into Dan Quayle.

Gotta fight that image they are crafting.

735 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:10:34am

Hey, how about another bailout for America's perpetually anemic auto industry?

736 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:10:35am

re: #710 NC State of Mind

That was my thought will Barney Frank proposed a 25% cut in the military budget.

/sure wish I lived in 'fly over' country

Just remember that the left hates the military.

737 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:11:03am

3 Wood
What's your take on this?

738 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:11:06am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

Drop dead.

739 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:11:31am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

I'm sure Oprah is sincere and is not doing it for $$$.
/

Say no Sarah...don't go.

740 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:11:55am

The missiles of November

Russia’s deployment of SS-26 Iskander to Kaliningrad as a “shot across the bow” of the incoming administration. The purpose of these missiles was to threaten to destroy components of the planned US anti-missile defense shield in to be based in Poland. The SS-26s themselves are fired from mobile launchers and designed to launch “effective missile strikes at small-size targets of particular importance” on very short notice. Russian President Dimitry Medvedev also said that Russia “plans to jam a radar located in the Czech Republic, used to detect in-bound missiles and guide the Polish-based interceptors.”

Together the moves are designed to neutralize the US ballistic missile defense systems in Eastern Europe.

...the moves were aimed at emphasizing Russian strength to pry away the Ukraine, a challenge which would split NATO.

It's 3 AM, Barack, and your phone is ringing.

741 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:12:06am

re: #733 midwestgak

Honestly, I ignored the whole thing. Didn't watch it, didn't follow up with it the next day. If there was anything damaged, I haven't heard about it.

You know, you really can stick your head in the sand!


Yes, I'm refusing to watch or go to the websites of the news organizations this week. I'm much cheerier but wondered if anything happened with the celebration. We just survived the Phillies winning the world championship and the resulting "jubilation".

742 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:12:52am

re: #740 Kenneth

The missiles of November


It's 3 AM, Barack, and your phone is ringing.

Can't he just eat his waffle?

743 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:13:20am

re: #680 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing well today.
Had a random thought last night: I wonder how Mayor Richard Daley is going to take to having a boss over HIM who used to be one of his bag men community organizers?!

744 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:14:03am

re: #743 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing well today.
Had a random thought last night: I wonder how Mayor Richard Daley is going to take to having a boss over HIM who used to be one of his bag men community organizers?!

All will be well when he is made Secretary of Transportation or some such office.

745 tappin52  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:14:51am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

F U?

746 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:14:54am

re: #709 realwest

Good morning my friend! How are you doing today?

I don't mean to be picky, but it's not "Pook-ey-es-tan", it's "Paw-kee-stawn". Get with the change, dude.

747 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:15:16am

re: #741 livefreeor die

Yes, I'm refusing to watch or go to the websites of the news organizations this week. I'm much cheerier but wondered if anything happened with the celebration. We just survived the Phillies winning the world championship and the resulting "jubilation".

Right. There's nothing I can do about all the depressingness of the lefts intentions, so I stay away from being constantly reminded of the bad news. And I am cheerier for doing so.

748 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:15:25am

re: #740 Kenneth

The missiles of November


It's 3 AM, Barack, and your phone is ringing.

If he doesn't see the necessity of a military presence in Iraq, no way in hell he sees the importance of Poland.

Obama to our stalwart east European allies: So long, suckers.

749 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:15:33am

For those who are not familiar with the Chicago mob that is now going tot he White House, watch this clip from The Untouchables on The Chicago Way.

You have to understand that this is how these people think. They are not interested in unifying, in bring people together, Obama is not interested in listening to you.

They are interested in ruling you as a subject.

750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:15:42am

re: #743 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing well today.
Had a random thought last night: I wonder how Mayor Richard Daley is going to take to having a boss over HIM who used to be one of his bag men community organizers?!

It's all good. Power is still within the machine. That's the important part.

751 NC State of Mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:15:49am

re: #745 tappin52

F U?


F U B?

752 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:16:12am

re: #689 livefreeor die
ROTFL! Eight weeks away from caffeine?! Whoa, I don't know if I could last that long!

753 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:16:22am

re: #743 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing well today.
Had a random thought last night: I wonder how Mayor Richard Daley is going to take to having a boss over HIM who used to be one of his bag men community organizers?!

Daley made a comment that you don't say "no" to Obama.

754 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:16:44am

re: #649 3 wood

One of Presiident-elect's Obama's economic advisors is Michigan Governor Granholm.

Obama to Meet With Buffett, Daley, Economic Advisers


Hey Michigan lizards out there. How's the Michigan economy been clicking along under Granholm?

Spectacular. If you consider being dead last in return on Federal dollars, and being A-Number-One-Plus-Plus in the nation on unemployment to be a good thing. Well over 9% at last report, probably topping 10% with today's report.

Woo-Hoo! Let's pass that stunning expertise on to the nation at large.

755 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:17:29am

re: #750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's all good. Power is still within the machine. That's the important part.

Chicago pays the highest taxes in the nation. How's that for a look at the future?

756 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:17:39am

re: #728 realwest

Hey {aussiemagpie}! *Smooch* right back to ya! Rudd the Dud huh? I like that!
We oughta have a contest for Obama and whoever was his running mate...Joe something or other.
Ya know, the most apt description for 'em.
Though, I gues to be fair we ought to let him have at least a week in office first.
Oh well.
How are you and yours today?

Yes a week should be enough for the settling in period and then go for it!

We're fine - the MOTH is studying for an exam next week - he's doing a Masters of Taxation now so it's a quiet weekend for us

757 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:17:40am

re: #748 NC State of Mind

It's Ukraine that will be sacrificed to Russia. The deal will be the US will back off the missile defense system and Russia gets to swallow Ukraine, in exchange for which, Germany gets Russian natural gas. It's a win-win situation, really. Umm... with both wins going to Russia.

758 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:17:53am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

Tell the fat bitch to have a salad. And let her know that she has no problem keeping a man happy.

759 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:18:15am

re: #745 tappin52

F U?

I'd take the position that there's no such thing as bad publicity, and prepare like crazy for whatever may come.

If she's going to go national, she has to put in appearances like this.

760 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:18:41am

re: #752 realwest

ROTFL! Eight weeks away from caffeine?! Whoa, I don't know if I could last that long!

Third time around-you get used to it. Although the list of forbidden stuff gets longer with every pregnancy. Now, in addition to no alcohol or nitrates, it's no deli meats (listeria risks) or shellfish. I have a long list of foods I want the hubby to bring in after delivery!

761 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:18:42am

re: #743 realwest

Good morning my friend! Hope you're doing well today.
Had a random thought last night: I wonder how Mayor Richard Daley is going to take to having a boss over HIM who used to be one of his bag men community organizers?!

Not gonna happen. Daley will be pulling strings from behind the scenes.

By the way, one of the leading candidates for Attorney General is federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald from Chicago. Fitzgerald has been a thorn in Daley's side going after local politicians for corruption. The biggest favor Obama can do for Daley is take Fitzgerald away from his work in Chicago and take him to Washington where he can be controlled.

Therefore, I predict Patrick Fitzgerald will be nominated for Attorney General.

762 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:18:49am

re: #697 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - just for you:

763 Pete-billy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:19:23am

Will Joe Lieberman join GOP? im reading google news and i see that lots of Dems pressing Lieberman to go. I don't know what to say, but on many issues he supported the GOP agenda.

764 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:19:33am

re: #759 SixDegrees

I'd take the position that there's no such thing as bad publicity, and prepare like crazy for whatever may come.

If she's going to go national, she has to put in appearances like this.


I think she would win over a lot of people who may not normally take a look at her.

765 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:19:48am

re: #758 soxfan4life

LOL

766 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:19:52am

re: #732 apachegunner

shit, I feel like the tree falling in the forrest with no one around to hear it! ok lgf, your cut off for four days.

LOL! You didn't shout loud enough!

767 the REAL  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:05am

Don't know if anyone has posted this guy here yet but I discovered him yesterday.

Ton of awesome videos! THIS is the future!
768 bellamags  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:24am

OT -
funny story:
My client has a daughter going to college. The daughter is a conservative with libertarian leanings. She and her friends at college absolutely did not want Obama to win the election.
After the election, they had a "freedom party". They made red cup cakes with Halloween wrappers (because O is scary) and they told all of their friends that if they voted for Obama that they could not come to the party. LOL! Some of their liberal friends showed up and they told them to go home! hilarious.

769 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:39am

re: #755 midwestgak

Chicago pays the highest taxes in the nation. How's that for a look at the future?

Life is expensive comrade, pay up!

770 the REAL  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:43am

Oh and how about that change!?! [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

771 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:51am

re: #737 UFO TOFU

3 Wood
What's your take on this?

That's actually very true, but most people have no clue what a TED spread is. So I tend to talk more in terms of the DOW and the S&P cause it is better understood by the public.

772 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:20:55am

re: #761 3 wood

Therefore, I predict Patrick Fitzgerald will be nominated for Attorney General.

I predict they get rid of him altogether.

773 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:21:06am

re: #759 SixDegrees

I'd take the position that there's no such thing as bad publicity, and prepare like crazy for whatever may come.

If she's going to go national, she has to put in appearances like this.

I don't know. I worry Oprah will just rehash all the infighting rumors coming out of the McCain camp in the last couple of days. I'd schedule something for late spring, when Barry's promises are falling like leaves.l

774 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:21:32am

re: #753 midwestgak

Daley made a comment that you don't say "no" to Obama.

Because it would be racist?

775 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:21:48am

re: #749 3 wood

Nice clip. That was one of Sean Connery's finest performances. And the last good role Kevin Costner ever did.

776 VioletTiger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?


So tempting to respond, but I like this blog too much...

777 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:22:10am

re: #717 3 wood
WOW! Guns were pulled on ya in the Loop? How long ago was that and, more improtantly, what did you do?

778 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:22:13am

re: #755 midwestgak

Chicago pays the highest taxes in the nation. How's that for a look at the future?

Now you've done it. You will have to be designated an enemy of the State and sent to a re-education camp.

779 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:22:14am

re: #770 the REAL

Oh and how about that change!?! [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

Good Lord, do these people even think?

780 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:23:34am

re: #755 midwestgak

Chicago pays the highest taxes in the nation.

I had no idea they were so patriotic! (Joe Biden)

781 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:23:43am

re: #648 midwestgak

DOW 8695.79 -443.48

Futures are only about 40 points down right now, at 8659 or so. But that's a drop from positive territory of roughly +100 a couple of hours ago.

I had expected a steeper plunge, frankly, although that may still come. Maybe this news was already in the market. But in general, the market reacts strongly when reality fails to meet expectations.

782 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:24:11am

re: #763 Pete-billy

Will Joe Lieberman join GOP? im reading google news and i see that lots of Dems pressing Lieberman to go. I don't know what to say, but on many issues he supported the GOP agenda.

Hopefully, it will be one more seat to help the fillibuster. If he is foolish enough to stick with the dems I see nothing but disaster.

783 Lively  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:24:15am

re: #770 the REAL

gah.

784 loup-garou  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:24:34am

Bob the Builder "yes we can" videos getting yanked from you tube
some added 3+ months ago are suddenly getting pulled.

i know this will be sited as copy right violation and there is nothing to see and to move along , it well yeah it is technically. but its sort of like locking up a mobster for speeding. after the Obamas strange cult / church like baptism of "yes we can" the comparison to bob the builder "yes we can" was even more obvious.

one i think some one does not have a scene of humor and is going around flagging kids shows for political reasons.
big difference.

785 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:24:58am

re: #768 bellamags

OT -
funny story:
My client has a daughter going to college. The daughter is a conservative with libertarian leanings. She and her friends at college absolutely did not want Obama to win the election.
After the election, they had a "freedom party". They made red cup cakes with Halloween wrappers (because O is scary) and they told all of their friends that if they voted for Obama that they could not come to the party. LOL! Some of their liberal friends showed up and they told them to go home! hilarious.

What a bunch of creeps.

786 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:25:11am

re: #709 realwest

[Sigh] - Doncha remember when Candidate Obama promised us that he'd take troops out of Iraq (thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of victory) and send them to Afghanistan where, if the Pakistani's don't stop the Taliban and Al-Q from conducting raids into Afghanistan from the NW Frontier Provinces of Pakistan, that the President Obama would invade Pakistan? Ya, you know invade as with lots of boots on the ground, tanks and stuff like that? Maybe if I spell it Pook-ey-es-tan y'all remember it?!
For some reason the nuclear armed nation of Pakistan took umbrage at candidate Obama's promise to invade their nation, so I assume LindaMarie (waives to LindaMarie!) and others are locked down until after the invasion of Pook-ey-es-tan!

The fundamentalists are a bit different from AQ - they want any Western influence gone. AQ wants to convert all the world. Does not mean once the Fundamentalists (if they do) gain money and power will not agree with convert or die.
It is very complicated. One of the Afghans said last week after an Expat was kidnapped - don't they know that makes it dangerous for all of us? I am still working on that one. I want to ask the right questions not the wrong ones.

787 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:25:46am

re: #756 aussiemagpie

he's doing a Masters of Taxation

? he's doing a Barack Obama administration?

{aussie} Long time no type to.

788 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:26:09am

re: #724 gregg
Well, if I was advising Palin, and if Oprah did invite Palin to come on her show, I'd advise Palin to tell Oprah:
"NO - Not until the country is ready for a Female POTUS or Vice- POTUS.
And clearly they aren't. They'll accept us as talk show hosts, but not for the #1 or #2 spot in the government, but hey, thanks for asking!"

789 loup-garou  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:26:09am

re: #784 loup-garou

dam i just reread this. i need a lot more coffee before i post.

790 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:26:10am

re: #781 SixDegrees

It's possible, too, that bad news will be counterbalanced by bargain hunting. We're nearing 8500 again, and we've bounced off that level four times already in the last month on the perception that stocks become strongly oversold at such levels.

At the moment, it works for me. I'm maxing out my 401k contributions while prices are low.

Of course, that dedication of salary to long-term savings isn't doing the short-term economy any good, I guess...

791 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:26:21am

re: #724 gregg


I am not allowed to post that - nor should I.

792 Irene NYC  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:26:46am

3 wood

First, thank you for responding to me yesterday if you didn't see my later thanks on that thread.

Secondly, thank you for speaking up today. Although we are the choir, it is always good for people to have clarity about a situation. And your posts are extremely clear.

Thirdly, did you know that the current head of the FEC is Donald F. McGahn II? He was also counsel to the Illinois Republican Party.

793 spypeach  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:27:18am

A poster at aceofspades pointed me to this last night.
anyone else see this from Emanuel: Time for a new contract with America August 20, 2006".

..John Kennedy was right: A nation is defined not by what it does for its citizens but by what it asks of them. If your leaders aren't challenging you to do your part, they aren't doing theirs. We need a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us by establishing for the first time an ethic of universal citizen service. All Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 should be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic civil defense training and community service. This is not a draft, nor is it military. Young people will be trained not as soldiers, but simply as citizens who understand their responsibilities in the event of a natural disaster, an epidemic or a terrorist attack. Universal citizen service will bring Americans of every background together to make America safer and more united in common purpose..."

794 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:27:31am

re: #731 Dustyvet
Hey, I liked that one a lot! Thanks.

795 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:27:49am

re: #785 Spare O'Lake
Who're creeps?

796 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:28:22am

re: #770 the REAL

Oh and how about that change!?! [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

Not to worry - he was only on the board for 13 months...he wouldn't have seen a thing!

/

797 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:28:40am

re: #793 spypeach

Scary stuff.

798 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:29:10am

BBL

799 gregg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #739 Lively

I'm sure Oprah is sincere and is not doing it for $$$.
/

Say no Sarah...don't go.

For some reason I think you would find the words "moose horn" included in my response - along with a part of the anatomy.

800 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:29:42am

re: #740 Kenneth
NO- his phone doesn't ring until January 21st, 2009!
How are ya doing my friend?

801 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:29:51am

Wow! The media finally gets around to examining Obama's policies!
Will Obama Have to Adjust His Timetable on Iraq?

... so what if it's after the election.

Senior U.S. military officials will likely advise Barack Obama to adjust his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by mid-2010. While promising a 16-month timetable for getting all U.S. fighting forces out, Obama repeatedly insisted on what he calls a "responsible" withdrawal. Pulling nearly all U.S. troops and equipment out of Iraq in 16 months is "physically impossible," says a top officer involved in briefing the President-elect on U.S. operations in Iraq. That schedule would create a bottleneck of equipment and troops in the south of Iraq and Kuwait where brigades repair, clean and load vehicles and weapons for the trip home, said the official. Others say U.S. could conceivably pull out on that time scale, although that would require leaving more equipment behind. A more important concern that, officers believe the security gains in Iraq would be put at risk if troops were withdrawn before the Iraqi security forces are in a position to protect their own communities and borders.

Ah but these so-called "military experts" are unaware of Obama's fleet of magic giant flying transport unicorns. The One can do anything he says. Yes we can!

802 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:30:13am

re: #777 realwest

WOW! Guns were pulled on ya in the Loop? How long ago was that and, more improtantly, what did you do?

I worked as a special cop/plain clothed security for one of the larger banks in the early 80's and foiled a hold up by one of the street gangs. They put a hit contract out on me.

First guy stuck the gun in my face as I walked out the door one day but he froze. I took the gun away from him and made him beg my pardon. When he woke up in the hospital

A couple days later a second guy tailed me on the street for a ways, I made him in about 13 seconds. I turned a corner and was waiting for him when he came running around to catch up. As soon as his piece cleared his pocket I knocked him out cold and called the Police.

I'm not the Harvey Milktoast that I appear to be here.

Remember that guy I told you about a year or two ago who threatened me on the phone and I told him to bring it on anytime he felt man enough? I told you about it real and you got worried for me?

Well, he tried.

I'm still here.

Draw your own conclusions.

804 livefreeor die  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:31:01am

Better go-chores and work await.

805 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:31:07am

Frum(P)

good read.


G' day all.

806 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:31:21am

‘Obama unites the Crips and the Bloods in Los Angeles’

Obama: And, I hereby decree that teen American participate in at least 50 hours community service through my newly developed Classroom Corps… and 100 hours if you are in college…Bill Ayers and David Axelrod will handle to the day to day details of the program.

Bill Ayers: Well, the communities we will organize are South Los Angeles. As you can see from this gang map we have over 250 gangs to organize. David will be organizing the East side and I will be organizing the west side.

[Bill Ayers arrives in north Gardena area in his stretch limo]

Bill Ayers (rolling down the window): You two with in low rider and the Mexican Sombreros have you hear about President Obama’s Classroom Corps?

Gang members in car: Amigo, Buen narcotico. Er, the crack is $25 per rock.

Bill Ayers: I am from the Government and I want to know how may hours of community

Gang member in car: Pancho El es federali! Tírelo!

[The Gangsters draw a 9mm and an AK 47 and pepper the limo with bullets]

Billy Ayers (on phone to Obama): You said this thing would be easy. You said the limo was bullet proof. I am getting bullets through the door!

Obama: Just wait till they run out of ammo and then issue them a strongly worded citation.

Billy Ayers (rolling window after gun fire has died down): Amigo, here is warning citation!

Gang member after reloading: Stinking Gringo – shove it.

[more gun fire shreds Ayers’ citation]

Bill Ayers on his cell phone to Obama: That did not work the citation is riddled with bullets. I think I am missing a finger. I really should go to County USC Hospital.

Obama: No, not USC go to UCLA! It is tax payer funded. Find the root cause of the problem! Buy them off and get them on our team!

Bill Ayers: I am going to try one last thing. Before I head to Hollywood and find sanctuary and medical treatment. I call it the Pipe Bomb ultimatum.

[Bill Ayers, tosses a pipe bomb at the gang member’s car but it bounces off and explodes under a corn cob vendor’s cart]

Crips gang gathered on the side walk: Kill the Stinking Chicago Gringo. Tírelo!

[Bill Ayers’ Limo does a 180 turn and heads for the 110 freeway as bullets and gasoline filled bottles of Corona shower his retreating limo]

Obama calling David Axelrod: Hi Dave. What’s the good news?

David Axelrod: Hi Barack. I am at the corner of North West Compton. I am not sure if I have hit Maxine Waters’ district yet. But, this good place to start.

I see two black guys outside of the school doing brisk business out of their 2002 lowered Cad chrome wire wheels. Let me ask them…

[Axelrod instructs his limo driver to pull up to the 2002 Cad with chrome wire wheels – kids start walking sideways away from the two cars]

David Axelrod (rolls down his window): Hey bro you look like Snoop Dog and Tupac Shakur from Death Row Records, I am here to implement Barack Obama’s Classroom Corps organization…

Two Gansters in car: Mofo, what do you think I am B.I.G. We wuz just do’in some business with the high school dudes until you pull up in your black limo. Who are...

David Axelrod: I am here to help you organize the Classroom Corps…

Gangsters in car: Corps! Mofo, that’s what your are going to be!

[Gangsters draw an automatic pistol and a sawed-off pump shot gun]

David Axelrod: Have you put in the 50 hours of community service for Obama?

Gangsters in car: Pop a cap in this cracker! Blow his a** away!

[David Axelrod ducking under the half open window as bullets and buckshot pepper his limo]

Obama: Hey, Dave how the sign-up for the Classroom Corps going? Not good from the sound of the gun fire. Have you issued a strongly worded warning citation?

David Axelrod: No. I don’t think this is the time or place to do so.

[The limo backs-up then burns rubber directly into the side of the Gangster's car with a crash]

Obama: Dave, you are a genius! Are they with us now?

807 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:31:45am

Obambi is going to the WH today or tomorrow. Wonder how much his intel brief woke him up to the realities of the world? I'm sure GW is gonna tell him, "Dude, platitudes and voting present are NOT an option in this here office!"

808 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:31:48am

re: #781 SixDegrees

I had expected a steeper plunge, frankly, although that may still come. Maybe this news was already in the market. But in general, the market reacts strongly when reality fails to meet expectations.

Wait for 1:30 this afternoon.

809 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:32:16am

re: #746 Kenneth
Huh, that IS picky. Either way, I do not see good times ahead in either Pook-is-tan or Afghanistan or, if we REALLY PISS OFF THE Pakistani's by invading their country, in whatever port city the next ship from Pakistan should enter!

810 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:32:36am

re: #803 seekeroftruth

I am about to have a meltdown. The fraud in this elections is beyond outrageous...

DEMOCRATS MOVE IN TO STEAL NORM COLEMAN'S SENATE SEAT--

This was so predictable.
On Tuesday the final tally gave Senator Norm Coleman a 725 vote advantage.
On Wednesday Democrats knocked the lead down to 590 votes.
By the end of Thursday they "found" more votes and chiseled Coleman's lead down to 236 votes.

This does not look good.
Republicans better send in some lawyers or the Dems are going to steal this seat, too.

Figures. Liars and cheats.

811 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:33:21am

Good morning, Lizards. Chilly and raining along the TX coast today...at least I'm not in the Dakotas.

812 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:33:24am

re: #750 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) I'm not so sure that Mayor Daley will see it that way myself.

813 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:33:44am

WELL, it's Friday and were all still here. (-:

814 USCMSNE  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:33:51am

re: #793 spypeach

A poster at aceofspades pointed me to this last night.
anyone else see this from Emanuel: Time for a new contract with America August 20, 2006".

..John Kennedy was right: A nation is defined not by what it does for its citizens but by what it asks of them. If your leaders aren't challenging you to do your part, they aren't doing theirs. We need a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us by establishing for the first time an ethic of universal citizen service. All Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 should be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic civil defense training and community service. This is not a draft, nor is it military. Young people will be trained not as soldiers, but simply as citizens who understand their responsibilities in the event of a natural disaster, an epidemic or a terrorist attack. Universal citizen service will bring Americans of every background together to make America safer and more united in common purpose..."

Kids would learn all of this today if the libs hadn't ran the Boy Scouts out of town already. I learned everything he's talking about at 8 years old; First Aid, survival skills, courtesy and etiquette. Made a Pinewood Derby car while I was at it. But Seriously, what is it with the Libs desire to reinvent everything in the name of some sort of gilded PC enviro-friendly citizens groups?

815 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:35:01am

re: #802 3 wood

remind me never to piss off 3 wood.
:)

816 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:35:10am

re: #814 USCMSNE


I'm with you there buddy.. I so remember my Boy Scout days. (-:

817 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:35:34am

re: #814 USCMSNE
The rename it so the parents don't know it is brainwashing.

818 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:35:41am

re: #800 realwest

I know... technically Bush is still in charge. But Bush has been a lame duck for a while now. He will co-ordinate any response with Obama. It would not be good for the US to head down one path today & then lurch into another direction after Obama is sworn in.

I just can't get over the fact that the US voters have just put in office a man who has never run anything larger than a small charity before. Kind of staggering.

819 seekeroftruth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:35:50am

On a calmer note: is anyone else having problems getting to LGF through Foxfire? Or is it just my computer?

820 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:36:21am

re: #761 3 wood
Now wait a minute, I thought the position of Attorney General had been promised to Bernadine Dohrn?!
I sense trouble brewing soon! LOL!

821 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:36:46am

re: #818 Kenneth
The CinC does not have to coordinate shit with the pres. elect. Obambi is not in the chain of command.

822 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:37:13am

re: #816 Dustoff-507

I'm with you there buddy.. I so remember my Boy Scout days. (-:

Same here. But then there was this crazy talk of going on a hike - that was all she wrote for me!

823 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:37:15am

re: #787 Texas Heathen

? he's doing a Barack Obama administration?

{aussie} Long time no type to.

Hello there {Texas Heathen}! Good to see you!

And LOL - he's going to work in the new Carbon Tax Division of the Aussie Tax Office - the section where they calculate how much CO2 each person exhales in a tax year - and calculate how much you get refunded should you fall off the perch during the financial year instead of conveniently on Jun 30th (our year runs from July 1st)...just kidding

He's in estate planning!

824 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:37:52am

&#9834 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another loverly day in the valley and it's Firday! :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoooch* Glad to see you here - I've not been on in a while.

{wahabbi} Toots! Check out my new avatar ... A pic of Lil Miss and her country cousin ... :P

825 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:38:22am

re: #818 Kenneth

I
know... technically Bush is still in charge. But Bush has been a lame
duck for a while now. He will co-ordinate any response with Obama. It
would not be good for the US to head down one path today & then
lurch into another direction after Obama is sworn in.

I just
can't get over the fact that the US voters have just put in office a
man who has never run anything larger than a small charity before. Kind
of staggering.

Embrace Change.

826 Spiritualized  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:38:28am

It's only been two days and the perfect moniker for Barry has already been created (via of Ace of Spades).

Ready?

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

Spread it far and wide.

827 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:38:42am

re: #770 the REAL
Oh Shit - say goodbye to ABC News!

828 seekeroftruth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:03am

grrr, might help to call it the right name: Firefox need more coffee...

829 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:24am

re: #809 realwest

Hey, please don't take me the wrong way. I was making fun of Obama's habit of saying "Paw-kee-stahn" or "Tolly-bahn". It wasn't directed at you.

830 USCMSNE  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:28am

re: #822 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Same here. But then there was this crazy talk of going on a hike - that was all she wrote for me!

You mention going on a hike and that being the end of it... I've had this song going through my mind since Tuesday night.

831 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:36am

re: #824 Miss Trixie

♪ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another loverly day in the valley and it's Firday! :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoooch* Glad to see you here - I've not been on in a while.

{wahabbi} Toots! Check out my new avatar ... A pic of Lil Miss and her country cousin ... :P

Morning, Trixie...love the new avatar and the tongue action, looks like a very happy camper...lol

832 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:39am

Watching FNC, hope the Russians like their new Czar, Vladimir I.

833 bellamags  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:39:52am

re: #828 seekeroftruth

I actually like Foxfire better. Sounds sexy. lol

834 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:40:27am

re: #802 3 wood

That is why I love the Gurkha's here.
Big smile and big knife. They never back down.
The Afghans I am not so sure about. They (anonymous) can come to the door and say " We know who you are, we know where you live, and we will rape your woman and kill your family if you don't leave now."

Reality here.

835 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:41:12am

I went over to talk with the Matthew Yglesias crowd for a sec to defend liberty.
It's funny..I didn't even mention anything individualist and they trotted out John Galt. Oh, and Bush and how he's somehow soviet.
It must hurt to hate that bad.

836 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:41:38am

re: #824 Miss Trixie

eh hem...*taps foot impatiently*

837 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:01am

re: #821 pingjockey

Several weeks ago Bush had both McCain & Obama given top level security clearances so they could be briefed on anything that happened. Fortunately, President Bush cares more about the security of the nation than about partisan crap. Obama is going to be in the loop asap because, for better or for worse*, he's the next president.

*mostly worse

838 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:19am

re: #773 livefreeor die

I don't know. I worry Oprah will just rehash all the infighting rumors coming out of the McCain camp in the last couple of days. I'd schedule something for late spring, when Barry's promises are falling like leaves.l

Hope you're still around cause we need to 'talk' about what Michelle's gonna wear to the White House today! I'm thinking she threw away that spider dress from the other night!

839 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:22am

Greetings & Salutations Lizards. FYI, as the new year approaches , be advised that it will not be referred to as 2009, but will be known as Year One in the Year of Our Obama.
Be of good cheer as your stuff gets taken from you & more equitable redistributed. We are aware that some Lizards are resistant to the New Order. I can assure you after an appropriate time in a reeducation camp, denied sleep, food & Internet connection you will embrace right thinking.
Be the first to form a Block Club. Informing on your neighbors is not only the right thing to do, but you can really settle old scores.
Now, as you were & we are watching.

840 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:45am

re: #770 the REAL

Oh and how about that change!?! [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

The collapse of Fannie and Freddie is the biggest story of 2007.
The Democrats alone used Freddie and Fannie as their own personal piggy bank. The failure of Freddie and Fannie is the backbone to the financial mess we are in...
And who did we just elect to run the nation? Democrats.

The network news outlets are all laughing.

841 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:46am

re: #101 rightwinger3

"Fundamental flaws in that Constitution thingy...we're going to correct that."

842 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:43:55am

re: #815 Texas Heathen

remind me never to piss off 3 wood.
:)

I grew up on the streets of Chicago and learned how to take care of myself there. That's why I understand Rahm Emanuel. He would as soon cut your heart out as look at you.

843 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:44:43am

re: #838 outsidephilly

Hope you're still around cause we need to
'talk' about what Michelle's gonna wear to the White House today! I'm
thinking she threw away that spider dress from the other night!

I sense Michelle making a guest appearance on "What Not To Wear" in the near future.

844 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:44:43am
845 jemima  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:44:44am

re: #724 gregg

Oprah wants Palin on her show. What the appropriate response?

Thank you for your kind offer, but I must decline as I have a state to run.

846 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:44:52am

re: #837 Kenneth
He maybe in the loop but...he has or should have no input. He is not president yet.

847 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:45:05am

re: #824 Miss Trixie

♪ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another loverly day in the valley and it's Firday! :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoooch* Glad to see you here - I've not been on in a while.

{wahabbi} Toots! Check out my new avatar ... A pic of Lil Miss and her country cousin ... :P

. . . , good morning to you! I was thinking how cool it is that we all have the same avatar this morning (I still haven't picked one for myself)

848 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:45:15am

re: #802 3 wood WOW! I LOVE stories like that! Got any more of 'em?
And ya know, seriously here, y'all have a writing style about such things that's very similar to Dashiel Hammetts - and that is high praise indeed! You really ought to consider writing a book or something, on a topic(s) that you know well, ya know?!
Seriously, do you have any more stories like those?

849 swamprat  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:46:00am

re: #770 the REAL

Oh and how about that change!?! [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]


Fox; "This is nice. What do you call this place again"

"henhouse"

850 gregg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:46:05am

re: #840 FrogMarch

The collapse of Fannie and Freddie is the biggest story of 2007.
The Democrats alone used Freddie and Fannie as their own personal piggy bank. The failure of Freddie and Fannie is the backbone to the financial mess we are in...
And who did we just elect to run the nation? Democrats.

The network news outlets are all laughing.

What? The Democrats were involved in the collapse of Freddie and Fannie! Why am I just learning this now?

/sarc

851 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:46:27am

re: #843 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I sense Michelle making a guest appearance on "What Not To Wear" in the near future.

Now, that would be a wise decision!

852 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:47:16am

re: #841 leftover54

"Fundamental flaws in that Constitution thingy...we're going to correct that."

...scrap it and we'll write a new, better one...those "founding fathers" just had no clue about the future...

853 JustABill  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:48:29am

Yes, and it is darkest, just before the dawn, for behold, the Light-bringer cometh...
/sarc

854 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:48:46am

re: #844 ploome hineni

During a skinny phase?

855 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:48:55am

re: #795 pingjockey

"They made red cup cakes with Halloween wrappers (because O is scary) and they told all of their friends that if they voted for Obama that they could not come to the party. LOL! Some of their liberal friends showed up and they told them to go home! hilarious."

The whole bunch of them.

856 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:05am

re: #839 opnion

Greetings & Salutations Lizards. FYI, as the new year approaches , be advised that it will not be referred to as 2009, but will be known as Year One in the Year of Our Obama.
Be of good cheer as your stuff gets taken from you & more equitable redistributed. We are aware that some Lizards are resistant to the New Order. I can assure you after an appropriate time in a reeducation camp, denied sleep, food & Internet connection you will embrace right thinking.
Be the first to form a Block Club. Informing on your neighbors is not only the right thing to do, but you can really settle old scores.
Now, as you were & we are watching.

". . . , and brother will rise up against brother" from the book of Revelation

857 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:14am

Mwahaha! Rush hour in LA is FUBAR. Gay marriage advocates blocking traffic and in general being Progressive!

858 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:19am

re: #836 Texas Heathen

eh hem...*taps foot impatiently*

WOOOT! Texas Heathen!

*running-leap-jump-hug*

Where HAVE you been young man? :D

859 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:31am

re: #834 LindaMarie

I read about how the Gurkhas were used by the British during the Falklands War with Argentina. Gurkhas commandos raided an Argentine barracks, silently in the night. They slit the necks of the 2 guards on watch. Then they crept inside and slit the laces of all the boots of the sleeping Argentine soldiers. Next morning when the soldiers woke up and discovered what happened they were so freaked out they all deserted. The Gurkhas had totally screwed with their heads.

Don't mess with Gurkhas.

860 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:40am

re: #811 jorline
Hey good morning my friend! Huh, ya know I never associate Texas with cold weather - what is it, about 65 or so?!?! LOL!
How are you doing today?

861 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:41am

So I'm back. What'd I miss?

862 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #824 Miss Trixie

♪ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another loverly day in the valley and it's Firday! :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoooch* Glad to see you here - I've not been on in a while.

{wahabbi} Toots! Check out my new avatar ... A pic of Lil Miss and her country cousin ... :P


hello dearie! I'll check out your new avatar just as soon as Charles puts them back - have to go now - work beckons...

863 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #857 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Rush hour in LA is FUBAR. Gay marriage advocates blocking traffic and in general being Progressive!

They were showing that on Fox. I see they take a defeat at the ballot box so well?

864 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:21am

re: #435 wahabicorridor

That is a very interesting point, wahabi. He couldn't exactly stop and say "Hey, I didn't sign up for this" when the financial $hit hit the fan.

865 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:25am
866 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:25am

re: #837 Kenneth

Several weeks ago Bush had both McCain & Obama given top level security clearances so they could be briefed on anything that happened. Fortunately, President Bush cares more about the security of the nation than about partisan crap. Obama is going to be in the loop asap because, for better or for worse*, he's the next president.

*mostly worse

Well, I guess they gave BO a clearance because they had to- he sure couldn't have gotten it by passing a background investigation and polygraph like all the men and women in the USIC who will put their lives on the line to gather, safeguard, and deliver intelligence to him.

*SPIT*

Good Friday morning everybody!

867 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:27am

re: #844 ploome hineni

when does Oprah come out of the closet?

. . . , Oprah's old news, nobody cares much about Oprah these days; Michelle's gonna be the hot topic!

868 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:35am

re: #813 Dustoff-507
Day ain't over yet!
How ya doing my friend?!

869 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:50:58am

re: #855 Spare O'Lake
What? The kids can invite or disinvite who they want. Ever hear what happens when college Repubs try to have a speaker the left doesn't like? Tough noogies for the liberal twits.

870 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:51:46am

re: #845 jemima

Thank you for your kind offer, but I must decline as I have a state to run.

Then invite her to Alaska to do the show...

...outdoors...

...on New Year's Day...

871 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:51:58am

re: #842 3 wood

That sent a shiver up my spine. I have no reason to doubt you. What a change from "CHANGE" already.

Fasten your seat belts here we go!

872 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:51:59am
873 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:01am

re: #818 Kenneth
Just goes to show you that with enough money you can buy or rent anything, even America.
Whaddya mean I'm bitter?!

874 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:10am

re: #869 pingjockey

What? The kids can invite or disinvite who they want. Ever hear what happens when college Repubs try to have a speaker the left doesn't like? Tough noogies for the liberal twits.

Damn, pingjockey! Don't go overboard now!

875 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:13am

re: #861 laZardo

So I'm back. What'd I miss?

You missed picking out Michelle's outfit that she's going to wear to the White House today

876 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:27am

EU voices "strong concern" over Russian missiles

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I think the Europeans are already missing that mad cowboy Bush?

877 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:49am

re: #863 Nevergiveup
Tolerance! Progressive! Give us what we want or else!

878 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:52:59am

re: #822 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


LOL I was a fire bug. 0-:

879 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:53:35am

re: #858 Miss Trixie

{ { { misstrixie } } }
"I've been everywhere"
/Johnny Cash

Seriously though the job has had me traveling 90% of the time and the little time I have at the office I am usually filling out reports and catching up. very little LGF time :(

880 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:53:56am

re: #873 realwest

Just goes to show you that with enough money you can buy or rent anything, even America.
Whaddya mean I'm bitter?!

Wasn't it P.J. O'Rourke who said the America had the best government money could buy?

'Mornin RealWest!

881 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #793 spypeach

"Hurricane Katrina served to point out that the evil family unit took care of itself and they fled town stranding others on roof tops waiting to be swept away by the current. Had mom & dad taught Jr. and Susie their duty to the State these self preserving, self serving children might have stayed behind to help others instead of packing up the family min van. This is the shame of our country. Fear not, we are going to change that. We will round out the educational experience of our youth by re training them. Change is coming"

882 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #824 Miss Trixie
{Miss Trixie} hey there gorgeous and a big ole *smooch* right back atcha - where y'all been, anyway?
(oh and btw, Charles turned off the avatars last night cause of anticipated heavy traffic this morning!).

883 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:54:39am

re: #850 gregg

We know it. But most Americans don't really understand. They think it's all Bush's fault.

884 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:54:46am

Hi, Ho, Hi, Ho, its off to work I go .. . . .. . .. .! BBL

885 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:54:55am

re: #873 realwest

So much for principle, too. Hell, I don't see why I shouldn't move out ASAP.

886 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:55:30am

re: #868 realwest

Not bad, my youngest son flew in from AZ for his 31st B-day... So I'm working a short shift today

How you doing?

887 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:55:34am

re: #875 outsidephilly

You missed picking out Michelle's outfit that she's going to wear to the White House today

My guess is that The Obamas will start making overalls the preferred fashion in the near future...

888 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:55:41am

re: #874 rightwinger3
Too late! The last 8 years have been hell on this RWR conservative and it's about to get worse. Oh well, The republic will go on. I just hope the right side of the aisle wakes up and goes to issues that work. Limited gov, limited spending, etc... We'll see.

889 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:55:53am

re: #840 FrogMarch

2008. (not 2007) I'm very confused as to what year it is.
1967?
1958?

890 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:56:55am

re: #889 FrogMarch

2008. (not 2007) I'm very confused as to what year it is.
1967?
1958?

Feels like 1984

891 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:57:12am

re: #859 Kenneth


NEVER - I respect them. learn their names and always say Hello to them.
These are not people to mess with and I am glad they are here.

892 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:57:20am
893 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:57:50am

re: #890 Nevergiveup

Feels like 1984

...but tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999.

894 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:58:10am

Just say no to MSNBC

895 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:58:42am

re: #869 pingjockey

What? The kids can invite or disinvite who they want. Ever hear what happens when college Repubs try to have a speaker the left doesn't like? Tough noogies for the liberal twits.

I don't encourage my kids to have a political litmus test for their "friends". Obviously they can do whatever the hell they want, but I think people who treat their "friends" this way are creeps.

896 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:58:44am

All the people on Obama's economic team are Clinton people. It's kinda like the dems threw a party and no one invited Bill or Hilliary?

897 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:59:02am

re: #890 Nevergiveup

Feels like 1984

heh.

898 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:59:05am

re: #892 buzzsawmonkey

What, exactly, are the checks on the sitting Treasury secretary?

899 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:59:25am
900 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 6:59:42am

re: #896 Nevergiveup

BIG MISTAKE! Never p**s off a Clinton.

901 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:00:41am

re: #897 FrogMarch

heh.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

902 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #895 Spare O'Lake
Maybe friends was the wrong word. Aquaintences might have been better. I don't have many friends and the ones I do have cover the spectrum, from leftist hippie to the right of me!

903 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:01:36am

re: #880 CIA Reject
Good morning - it may have been him, but the fact is that Obama was the first presidential candidate FROM EITHER PARTY to turn down public financing - outspent John McCain something like 7-1 - as I said, he bought (or rented if you're easily offended) America.
Period.

904 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:02:35am

re: #887 CIA Reject

My guess is that The Obamas will start making overalls the preferred fashion in the near future...

Or black pajamas.

905 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:02:36am

re: #902 pingjockey

Maybe friends was the wrong word. Aquaintences might have been better. I don't have many friends and the ones I do have cover the spectrum, from leftist hippie to the right of me!

I agree, and me too!

906 readytofight  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:02:51am

Re: 605

That's an excellent idea. We need organization to let these people know we mean business.

907 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:00am

JWF has some surprising news that should come as no surprise:

President-elect Barack Obama's newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags," according to government reports

Go figure!

908 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:14am

re: #895 Spare O'Lake

I don't encourage my kids to have a political litmus test for their "friends". Obviously they can do whatever the hell they want, but I think people who treat their "friends" this way are creeps.


The kids were making a point. They are in college. Give them a break -- that is the place to test and challenge and do things like that. Maybe the liberals got to see what it felt like to be excluded.

909 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:16am

re: #870 CIA Reject

Then invite her to Alaska to do the show...

...outdoors...

...on New Year's Day...

On a moose hunt. Sarah could lend Oprah one of her rifles, just forget to give her ammo.
Ohhh! Look - there's a big ole moose right over there!
/

910 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:19am

re: #903 realwest
I'd really like to know how much of that loot came from overseas/foreign nationals.

911 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:25am

re: #892 buzzsawmonkey

I'm a big fan of Friedrich Hayek and have been reading some of his works for inspiration during this time.
I find his wisdom easy to understand and particularly relevant right now, I just wish I had more time or could take a class to get a more formal study.

912 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:27am

When the campaign promises come home to roost:

Barack Obama's vague campaign of Hope and Change has created contradictory expectations for his administration. Rasmussen Reports found that 61 percent of Republican voters expect their taxes will go up, compared to just 17 percent of Democrats. While 39 percent of white voters expect to pay higher taxes under Obama, while 39 percent of blacks say they'll pay lower taxes.

Obama's repeated promise that 95 percent of Americans will receive tax cuts -- at the expense of the richest 5 percent -- created an unusual perception: A tax-cutter who's also a redistributionist. If he fails to keep that promise, Republicans will batter him as a liar. If he keeps the promise, however, Obama will add to a budget deficit already swollen by $1.1 trillion in bailouts (with perhaps more bailouts to come). And Obama's budget math won't benefit from any Laffer-curve effect, since his neo-Keynesian formula is the exact opposite of the reductions of top marginal rates favored by supply-siders.

I think Obama will tax 95% of us - and just say it was a clerical error.

[Link: rsmccain.blogspot.com...]

913 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:42am

re: #848 realwest

3 wood WOW! I LOVE stories like that! Got any more of 'em?
And ya know, seriously here, y'all have a writing style about such things that's very similar to Dashiel Hammetts - and that is high praise indeed! You really ought to consider writing a book or something, on a topic(s) that you know well, ya know?!
Seriously, do you have any more stories like those?

Thank you, that is high praise indeed. I did not read Hammet until many years later, but it felt like he was talking about stuff I'd seen with my own eyes.

I still remember reading the contract they put out on me, they sent in a copy to my boss just to try to rattle me. IIRC they put a $5,000 price on my head, quite a lot of money back then.

I'll email you with some other recollections. We used to bust pickpockets on the street, locate bunco artists to get the bank reimbursed, and get senior executives out of late night jams in compromising situations. I'll email you with some.

914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:46am

re: #890 Nevergiveup

Feels like 1984

I wish - Reagan was president, G.I. JOE was my favorite cartoon, Chuck Norris movies were plentiful. 1984 rocked!

915 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:03:51am

re: #856 outsidephilly

". . . , and brother will rise up against brother" from the book of Revelation

No, no, no, forget that stuff. The brothers are down with each other yo, for the Obama

916 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:04:09am

re: #860 realwest

Hey good morning my friend! Huh, ya know I never associate Texas with cold weather - what is it, about 65 or so?!?! LOL!
How are you doing today?

Hey, RW...you almost hit it on the button...63 degrees brrr.

I'm well, thanks and you?

917 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #909 realwest

You seem to be confusing the Governor with the outgoing Vice President.

918 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:04:38am

re: #900 Bumr50

BIG MISTAKE! Never p**s off a Clinton.

I smell sabotage, and I think that is how The Clintons intend to remove BO from the picture so Hillary can try again in 2012- playing both Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey to BO's LBJ so to speak...

919 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:05:21am

re: #901 Nevergiveup

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It tells the story of Winston Smith, Howard Dean, a functionary at the Ministry of Truth, whose work consists of editing historical accounts to fit the government's policies. The book has major significance for its vision of an all-knowing government which uses pervasive and constant surveillance of the populace, insidious and blatant propaganda, and brutal control over its citizens.

920 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:05:26am

re: #481 nonic

I'd love to be there to see the expression on their faces when college students find out that the candidate they voted for is telling them NOW that he's going to REQUIRE them to work for free --- half a day of every week of the school year or half of their entire summer, every summer. LOL Or poor kids who need to start working to get a foot onto the bottom of the ladder. Or rich people who had no intention for THEIR kids to do any kind of work.

I was wondering about that, too...

921 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:05:42am

re: #858 Miss Trixie

*running-leap-jump-hug*

Uh, wait a sec here! What the hell's going on? Not bad enough I gotta fight off Dustoff now there's someone else?!
Hmmm.

922 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:06:26am

So, let's all decide to fight like the devil against imposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Let's map this thing out, and draw the line in the sand right there on that issue. We need lawyers, we need money, we need strategists and publicists, we need ALLIES. You know, people who used to believe the bumper sticker: "I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."

This is the most important battle--if we lose this one, then it is a war of attrition until we lose all the other freedoms. Paul Newman, Lord rest him, in The Verdict: This is the case, this is the case.

There are thousands of us on this blog. Redirect us to an activist site, begin with leaders and a winning stratetgey, and for God's sake deploy us.

923 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:06:49am

re: #914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
How about 1931. We have a socialist about to be Pres. The economy headed down. The pres. elect says big gov. spending programs will get us out of the hole. Sounds like FDR part 2.

924 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:07:04am

Just thinkin' here, I know, scary but, if this hasn't been already said:

Since the "Fairness Doctrine" was first concieved a new venue for voiving political views has been added to the mix. Everyone seems to think the main target will be AM radio. OK but how about the internet ? Specifically, sites like this ? Will Charles be mandated to display kos posts in between every other Lizard post to keep it all "fair and balanced" ?

925 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:07:07am

re: #903 realwest

Good morning - it may have been him, but the fact is that Obama was the first presidential candidate FROM EITHER PARTY to turn down public financing - outspent John McCain something like 7-1 - as I said, he bought (or rented if you're easily offended) America.
Period.

The really scary part is that I doubt BO on his own could buy a pack of smokes. He bought America with somebody else's money and we don't know to whom he is beholden for his election.

926 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:07:22am

re: #885 laZardo
Good morning laZardo - move out to where?!?

927 SagamoreGal  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:08:08am

I'm trying to stay upbeat. BHO & his Politburo may be the best thing to happen to the Republican party (as long as the handful of moderate Dem Senators and 25 or so moderate Dem congressmen hang tough against his radical anti-Constitition agenda. )

White Liberal Guilt - how long will it take for these words to disappear from our lexicon?

928 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:08:38am

pimf: "voicing"

929 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:08:48am

re: #882 realwest

{Miss Trixie} hey there gorgeous and a big ole *smooch* right back atcha - where y'all been, anyway?
(oh and btw, Charles turned off the avatars last night cause of anticipated heavy traffic this morning!).

Yes I know, luv, BUT you can still see avatars when you click on the football if they're posted.

Well at least I can ... :D

930 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:08:55am

FNC, huge spike in gun sales across the country. No shit.

931 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:08:58am

re: #886 Dustoff-507
His 31st Birthday? WOW - you're even older than I thought you were! LOL!
Seriously, congrats to the "kid" and to you - I hope you have a grand time!
I'm doing ok, thanks.

932 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:09:05am

re: #909 realwest

LMAO!

933 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:09:07am

re: #926 realwest

Anywhere but here. Check your e-mail in a bit.

934 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:09:19am
935 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:10:04am

re: #924 leftover54

I think this is a different attack plan tiled "Net Neutrality"

936 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:10:39am
937 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:10:55am

re: #934 buzzsawmonkey
I don't think it has a racial component. I think it is folks like me who think obambi and his minions are going to gut the 2nd Amend.

938 heidi586  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:11:02am

Good morning - I thought it about time I jump in and introduce myself since I throw out random posts/questions and lgf has become my morning coffee companion. TV in the morning just isn't an option any longer; I just can't take the never ending praise and anticipation of the one named BO. I've heard BO so often - it plays over and over in my nightmares too. Thank God for LGF in the morning.

939 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:12:21am

re: #921 realwest

Uh, wait a sec here! What the hell's going on? Not bad enough I gotta fight off Dustoff now there's someone else?!
Hmmm.

LOL! Can I hep it if I like Texans? :P

940 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:06am

re: #939 Miss Trixie

LOL! Can I hep it if I like Texans? :P

You rang?

941 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:09am

re: #938 heidi586

Good morning - I thought it about time I jump in and introduce myself since I throw out random posts/questions and lgf has become my morning coffee companion. TV in the morning just isn't an option any longer; I just can't take the never ending praise and anticipation of the one named BO. I've heard BO so often - it plays over and over in my nightmares too. Thank God for LGF in the morning.

LGF is the best part of the day!
Nice to meet, ya! I'm off to the office - 'talk' later.

942 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:18am

re: #936 Kenneth

Bush attack dog goes after reporter.

About fricken' time.

Does your dog bite?

943 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:21am

Good Lord! The Dakotas are having a blizzard!

944 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:26am

re: #938 heidi586

I even tried ESPN on mute, but there he was...

945 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:41am

re: #908 TaeJohnDo

The kids were making a point. They are in college. Give them a break -- that is the place to test and challenge and do things like that. Maybe the liberals got to see what it felt like to be excluded.

To me the anecdote was an illustration of how polarized the USA has become. I get creeped out when people allow their political sympathies to dictate their lives - it kinda reminds me of the old cold war stories of the commie kids squealing on their parents to the KGB.

946 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:50am

re: #938 heidi586

I've heard BO so often - it plays over and over in my nightmares too.

Barack Obama actually appeared in my dreams once. Actually, he was more of a cameo, a guy who reminded me of Tom Cruise's character from Tropic Thunder started hassling me for donations to "Team Obama" in a fast food restaurant, oddly near my college.

947 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:54am

re: #942 Nevergiveup
Eets not my dawg!

948 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:13:57am

re: #943 pingjockey

Good Lord! The Dakotas are having a blizzard!

snowing, its snowing? Yi-peee, I LOVE snow!

949 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:13am

re: #922 Joan

We need lawyers, we need money,

I think the late Warren Zevon put it best:

Lawyers, Guns and Money

950 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:29am

re: #910 pingjockey
I'm afraid we'll never know my friend. Never. And fwiw, I've cut off all of my "associates" AND "friends" who voted for Obama - no more Mr. Nice Guy - this sonofabitch is trying to steal my country from me and I ain't gonna let it happen quietly.

951 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:33am

re: #921 realwest

NOOO!

We have been replaced!

(-:

952 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:36am
953 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:37am

re: #934 buzzsawmonkey

re: #930 pingjockey

FNC, huge spike in gun sales across the country. No shit.

Charles Manson and Bill Ayers are smiling.

Mm, no, I don't agree. These gun sales aren't spurred by Manson's dreamt-of "race war", or Ayers' "revolution". They're by folks like... oh, well, ME for instance, who think that our incoming All Lib All The Time government are going to do their damndest to undo the 2nd Amendment.

And good morning.

954 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #948 outsidephilly
Lotsa snow, like 4 feet! Drifts to 20!

955 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:15:29am

Americans Begin to Understand that the War in Iraq will Judged a Success

A mere one day one day after the election, it is amazing to see reporters just presenting facts instead of going far out their way to protect Obama from the harsh reality of his obviously flawed national security instincts...

...It's as if Americans think like this: "Oh sure, McCain's plan has led to an American victory in Iraq, whereas Obama's plan consisted of little more than accepting defeat at the hands of al Qaeda in Iraq. But that's irrelevant. We are in a new era now in which no wars will ever be fought again, so who really cares which man would be the better leader under such circumstances?"

This might not be such a terrible way to think. It is reasonable to assume that Obama will not start any wars, so his war-fighting savvy does not matter much. For example, most people probably believe that McCain would use military force to stop Iran from finishing its nuclear weapon (a weapon that would make it the dominant force in the region). Most people probably also believe that Obama will do no such thing. That's how I think. As such, if Iran is within 4 years of developing a nuclear bomb, then, in all likelihood, it will have its nuclear bomb (and Obama's ability to prosecute a war against them would not matter).

Heaven help us. Because the new POTUS won't.

956 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:15:40am

re: #940 OldLineTexan

You rang?

LOLOLOLOL! :D How're you?

957 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:16:06am

re: #950 realwest
I'm afraid at least half or more of my cousins voted for obambi. Idjits.

958 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:16:09am

re: #954 pingjockey

Lotsa snow, like 4 feet! Drifts to 20!

philly NEEDS 4 foot of snow right now! BBL

959 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:16:35am

re: #916 jorline
Heh. See what ya can do with access to the National Weather Service?! LOL!
I'm doing ok my friend and VERY glad to hear that you are too!

960 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:16:59am

President-elect Obama will reach across the aisle and build unity in America in the following manner:
1) Sweet words and symbolic gestures, but no Republican will be given any position of power or prominence in his administration. McCain will get more soothing honorifics, maybe even an invented role as ombudsman for veterans in a commercial ad sitting next to some Democrat on a couch, like Bush/Clinton
2) At the proper moment, maybe after the big press conference today, Obama will start to be scarce. He's getting over exposed, will lose mystique if he keeps on--watch for endless speculation about attire and veterinary opinions of canine breeds; plug perhaps for animal adoption.
NOTE: Craig Ferguson last night was hysterical--"Obama will RESCUE a puppy from a burning building--NO he'll create one out of clouds and angel farts!" Oh, thank God for humor; I hope the "comedians" will do a bit of that sort of thing, not vicious to destroy the new President--but keep things real.
3) I'll stop now. Obama's going to act, his actions will all be to consolidate power and destroy enemies. He is the classic Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove

961 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:22am

re: #956 Miss Trixie

O-man, out done by a TEXAN
. )-:

962 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:29am

re: #937 pingjockey

I don't think it has a racial component. I think it is folks like me who think obambi and his minions are going to gut the 2nd Amend.

People can see DEMOCRAT writ on the wall large.

I guarantee that there will be a re-imposition of the so-called assault weapons ban and the "high capacity" magazine ban.

I am also personally convinced that Obama's handlers, with the benefit of eight years of Clinton experiences to draw from, will go for taxes, fees, and other "interstate commerce" weights on ammunition, primers, powder, bullets, etc. ad nauseum.

If you put the price up high enough, only the drug runners, gang bangers, Black Panthers, and other favored Dem constituencies will have anything more than an expensive club in a few years.

963 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:47am

Fucking McCain staffers oughta be beat with a wet moose hide!

964 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:50am

re: #917 laZardo Nope, the Govenor doesn't hunt moose with birdshot in a 20 gauge shotgun, ya know?!

965 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:51am

re: #938 heidi586

Good morning - I thought it about time I jump in and introduce
myself since I throw out random posts/questions and lgf has become my
morning coffee companion. TV in the morning just isn't an option any
longer; I just can't take the never ending praise and anticipation of
the one named BO. I've heard BO so often - it plays over and over in my
nightmares too. Thank God for LGF in the morning.

Heh. Every morning watching the sports news I brace myself during the commercial break for the Barry ad, I still haven't gotten used to the idea that the damn campaign is finally over & there are no more political ads.

966 Pyrocles  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:17:52am

My Liberal Canadian wife will absolutely NOT believe that Democrats were in any way responsible for the financial crisis. It was caused completely by Republican malfeasance and corruption. I cannot convince her otherwise :(

re: #850 gregg

What? The Democrats were involved in the collapse of Freddie and Fannie! Why am I just learning this now?

/sarc

967 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:02am

re: #959 realwest

Is National Weather Service voluntary or mandatory? Are boots provided? So many CHANGES I can't keep track...;-)

968 CIA Reject  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:22am

re: #958 outsidephilly

philly NEEDS 4 foot of snow right now! BBL

With all due respect, philly needed four feet of snow on election day...

969 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:34am

re: #963 pingjockey

What a bunch of woosies!

970 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:43am

re: #951 Dustoff-507

NOOO!

We have been replaced!

(-:

Mighty big boots to fill, too. :D I'm sure you're up to the challenge, no?

971 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:49am

re: #936 Kenneth

Bush attack dog goes after reporter.

About fricken' time.

The reporter is a dope, or has no experience with dogs (if such a thing is possible). You always let a strange dog sniff your hand first, offering it SLOWLY... you don't lunge in to try to pet him. He doesn't know you; of course he might bite.

972 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:18:57am

re: #964 realwest

Yeah, but she doesn't intend to whack someone out in the wilderness either, if that's what you were getting at.

/also, check your mail.

973 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:19:12am

re: #952 soxfan4life

Please don't say stuff like that here.

974 Kerr Avon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:19:15am

I'm always looking for the bright side.
Governor Granholm (Michigan) looks like she is going to have a job in Obama's administration somewhere, so we will be free of her.
There's also talk that he might have a job for Dennis Archer (former mayor of Detroit and leading contender to be governor in 2010).
This would pave the way for Mike Cox (R - Michigan's AG) to win the governors race in 2010.

BTW I spotted $1.99 gas in a western suburb of Detroit.

975 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:19:29am

re: #962 OldLineTexan
The can't get guns banned directly so that is what they'll try. End runs, and taxes. Spot on.

976 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:19:37am

re: #912 FrogMarch

I was talking with my older daughters about this taxation thing just last nite. I told them that he will probably make a token tax cut but then he'll create new taxes but call them something else. They'll still be taxes but they wont be called taxes.

977 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:19:48am

re: #956 Miss Trixie

LOLOLOLOL! :D How're you?

I must be lucky...I logged on for a drive-by, and found you. ;)

978 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:05am
979 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:14am

re: #970 Miss Trixie


LOL...

980 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:15am

re: #963 pingjockey

Fucking McCain staffers oughta be beat with a wet moose hide!

If they ever have the guts to travel to Alaska they just might.

981 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:25am

re: #973 OldLineTexan

Please don't say stuff like that here.

Hiya, OLT - comment ca va?

982 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:29am

re: #976 Texas Heathen

I
was talking with my older daughters about this taxation thing just last
nite. I told them that he will probably make a token tax cut but then
he'll create new taxes but call them something else. They'll still be
taxes but they wont be called taxes.

"Rebate adjustments"

983 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:36am

Fox just did a blurb on gun sales. Up 10% in some places (since the election)
then mentioned Barrys statement about favoring a ban on certain guns.
Is 10% a typical increase in rifle sales every year just prior to deer season ?
Fox guy first said something like "they're flying off the shelves". Is 10% increase that significant ? I'm thankful for having Fox as an alternative but I want the news not reactionary spin. Not saying they're doing this but I'd like to know if this is truly an uptick in sales relative to the new Obamacy or is this a typical pattern just prior to hunting season/Christmas ?
They just left me hanging...

984 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:44am

re: #970 Miss Trixie


Does (fireman boots) count?

985 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:45am

re: #945 Spare O'Lake

To me the anecdote was an illustration of how polarized the USA has become. I get creeped out when people allow their political sympathies to dictate their lives - it kinda reminds me of the old cold war stories of the commie kids squealing on their parents to the KGB.

It would be interesting to know how the kids were treated by the liberal kids before the party, and where this took place. My son is at the University of Alabama. He tells me he doesn't see much political garbage from either side there. He is pretty sensitive politically and has a lib friend who is majoring in journalism but they are civil. Of course, he is majoring in Civil Engineering and that tends to be less political than other departments.

986 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:20:47am

re: #973 OldLineTexan

Please don't say stuff like that here.

Reported.

987 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:00am

re: #924 leftover54
Good greif no. The interenet is NOTHING like TV or radio. No one person or entity "owns" the internet; and iirc, there are more "Liberal" blogs than non-liberal blogs and the lefty blogs have more readers.
Not gonna touch the internet cause there's no there, there.
These aren't really "public airways" as defined in the Fairness Doctrine - ANYONE can have a blog if they want to.

988 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:02am

re: #966 Pyrocles

My Liberal Canadian wife will absolutely NOT believe that Democrats were in any way responsible for the financial crisis. It was caused completely by Republican malfeasance and corruption. I cannot convince her otherwise :(

Luckily she is super cute and can cook, right?

989 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:08am
990 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:27am

BBIAm

991 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:33am

re: #969 Dustoff-507
Very poor losers. Really pisses me off. Do those fools really think if McCain had picked someone else for his veep the race would've been as close as it was? That woman fired up the base.

992 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:47am

re: #975 pingjockey

The can't get guns banned directly so that is what they'll try. End runs, and taxes. Spot on.

Any idiot can figure that out, which is why the Dems had better go hire some idiots and up the IQ of their policy teams...

993 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:48am

re: #540 rightside

Mandy, Have you seen this on Drudge?

I'm sorry, even without her politics, that woman is sooo unattractive, it's scary.

994 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:57am

re: #978 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, I'm a little too flannel-brained this morning

You woke up this morning and discovered you're a lesbian?

995 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:21:57am

re: #978 buzzsawmonkey

I get you.
It's the liberal retelling of history that has weakened the second amendment more than anything else.

996 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:22:43am

re: #971 Occasional Reader

Terriers are rather high strung anyway. Did you see how fast the reporter thrust his hand forward? The dog was clearly defending itself from a perceived threat. Fortunately, fears of infection have passed. The vet examined Barney and announced the dog will fully recover from having bitten the rabid liberal reporter.

997 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:22:52am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

You woke up this morning and discovered you're a lesbian?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

998 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:22:52am

re: #983 leftover54

Fox just did a blurb on gun sales. Up 10% in some places (since the election)
then mentioned Barrys statement about favoring a ban on certain guns.
Is 10% a typical increase in rifle sales every year just prior to deer season ?
Fox guy first said something like "they're flying off the shelves". Is 10% increase that significant ? I'm thankful for having Fox as an alternative but I want the news not reactionary spin. Not saying they're doing this but I'd like to know if this is truly an uptick in sales relative to the new Obamacy or is this a typical pattern just prior to hunting season/Christmas ?
They just left me hanging...

I'm thinking it's a typical pattern prior to hunting season & Christmas. My sis-in-law told me that her hubby went to a gun show and bought a new gun. No reason other than - he was at a gun show and saw a gun he wanted. And of course, Christmas is coming up, as you said.

They need to check out what's happened in previous years at this time of the year, rather than telling us that gun sales are up right now.

999 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:22:54am

re: #952 soxfan4life
Not nice at all. We don't say things like that here.

1000 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:23:03am

I need to know what this means - or, rather, I need someone to convince me that it's not double-talk for "your old age benefits are going to be reduced unless you volunteer to serve the new order".

Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

/spit!

1001 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:23:03am

re: #977 OldLineTexan

I must be lucky...I logged on for a drive-by, and found you. ;)

That sounds like the opening line for a country song - thanks! :D

&#9834 &#9836 I must be lucky...I logged on for a drive-by, and found you. &#9836 &#9834

:D

1002 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:23:29am

re: #981 reine.de.tout

Hiya, OLT - comment ca va?

I don't know what you're saying, but I always like how you say it.

1003 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:23:29am
1004 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:15am

re: #963 pingjockey

Fucking McCain staffers oughta be beat with a wet moose hide!

Indeed.
(NRO's links are not working - dang it)

McCainiacs vs. Palin [Peter Kirsanow]

The sniping at Sarah Palin is an abomination. I would not, however, assume that staffers loyal to Sen. McCain are responsible.

By that I mean that presidential campaign staffs are large organizations. In the general election, that organization consists not only of individuals selected by the candidate, but an amalgam of individuals from the campaign staffs of his former rivals in the primaries. Those individuals sometimes have agendas that transcend the ticket or the current election. The comments could've come from anywhere.

That said, the GOP is going to be spending a long time in the wilderness if this kind of nonsense continues —regardless of the source.

The GOP just got shellacked. There has been a vivid lack of operational discipline, intellectual rigor and commitment to principle in the party over the last several years. And they spend their time in petty, vicious rumor mongering? Where are the adults in the party?

This is a serious time in this country. In case the GOP missed it, Russia just served notice that it's back in the Cold War business, the economy is on fumes and we just elected a neophyte to heal the planet. Yet some party leaders seem to be going on holiday.

The GOP is the political home for conservatives. Conservatives expect and demand tough, mature, intelligent behavior from their politicians. Deliver.

11/06 04:59 PM

1005 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:30am
1006 heidi586  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:37am

re: #946 laZardo

If the one begins to appear in my sleep, my life will become like one of those horror movies, I'll try to stay awake - always in fear he'll appear in my sleep to take me away to his hell. After thinking about it...I won't have to be asleep...he's going to try and drag me into his hell while I'm awake.

1007 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:40am

Good morning Lizards of the World (united).
I had a wonderful (sarc! sarc!) experience last night, in a room full of liberals. It is my regular Thursday night study group (led by a Rabbi), and I turn out to be the only non-lib in the room. Do we study bible (Torah)? No, we study the Ethics of the Fathers Pirkei Avot, for you Lizardim out there). Okay, so far so good. Except...the study session is in relation to the political campaign and leadership. Oy to the vey.

Let's be clear. Liberal Jews all voted for the Obamessiah. So when we mention the clear dictum to not embarrass someone publicly, everyone mentions how McCain kept bringing up William Ayers. [even if it was true, someone says] Got it?

I mention how the left keeps trying to humiliate Sara Palin, even now, after the campaign is over. Oh, I hear, it's okay, because she deserves it!

What about the clear instruction from the Sages to not make friends with evil people? [of course I am thinking of William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright, etc] The Rabbi then says that one can't be a leader if he doesn't mingle with the people.

I get it. I don't have to read the NY or LA Times, MSNBC or CNN to hear the other side. It's everywhere -- at least in my world, here in Los Angeles. We do indeed live in interesting times.

1008 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:43am

good morning everyone,
i just heard jeffrey littman (filing in for curtis sliwa) say that over 1/4 of all liberals
admire bill ayers.
ADMIRE.
(sigh)

1009 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:51am

re: #984 Dustoff-507

Does (fireman boots) count?

Indubablee Indubadib Indubiab oh yes indeed! :D

1010 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:24:57am

re: #938 heidi586

Try "Barry". It works for me.

1011 soxfan4life  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:25:01am

re: #999 pingjockey


Sorry

1012 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:25:02am

re: #1003 rawmuse
So far just Nicolle somebody or other. Lotsa off the record crap. Buncha assholes.

1013 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:25:14am

re: #991 pingjockey

Your damn right she did! His numbers would have been MUCH lower without her.

1014 Crusty  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:25:35am

re: #976 Texas Heathen

I was talking with my older daughters about this taxation thing just last nite. I told them that he will probably make a token tax cut but then he'll create new taxes but call them something else. They'll still be taxes but they wont be called taxes.

I think Jay Leno once joked that, instead of calling it a "tax hike" politicians would refer to it as a "user fee on income."

1015 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:25:59am

re: #998 reine.de.tout

I'm thinking it's a typical pattern prior to hunting season & Christmas. My sis-in-law told me that her hubby went to a gun show and bought a new gun. No reason other than - he was at a gun show and saw a gun he wanted. And of course, Christmas is coming up, as you said.

They need to check out what's happened in previous years at this time of the year, rather than telling us that gun sales are up right now.

Better yet, tell me what KIND of guns are experiencing a surge in sales...of course, since most of them don't know a pistol from a revolver from an atomic cannon, maybe that's not the best idea I ever had.

I can tell you fom very personal experience that the Bush 41 gun ban caused scary weapons like AR-15s et al to FLY off the shelves. I saw dealers move inventory 4-5 years old...

1016 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:26:22am

re: #1003 rawmuse

I want names. I want some payback, bitches.

I want hides and heads on the wall.

1017 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:26:59am

re: #925 CIA Reject
Nah, on his tax returns for the CY 2005 he and Michelle together made over $1.5 million alone

1018 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:02am
1019 gregg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:11am

em>re: #974 Kerr Avon

I'm always looking for the bright side.
Governor Granholm (Michigan) looks like she is going to have a job in Obama's administration somewhere, so we will be free of her.
There's also talk that he might have a job for Dennis Archer (former mayor of Detroit and leading contender to be governor in 2010).

I hope Obama offers a position to Kwame Kilpatrick.

1020 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:14am

re: #1009 Miss Trixie


LOL, coffee went all over my computer. 0-:

1021 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:30am

re: #971 Occasional Reader

The reporter is a dope, or has no experience with dogs (if such a thing is possible). You always let a strange dog sniff your hand first, offering it SLOWLY... you don't lunge in to try to pet him. He doesn't know you; of course he might bite.

don't stick your hand out to a strange dog. just stand politely and let it sniff you,
when it is comfortable then you can pet it.

1022 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:34am

re: #1016 OldLineTexan

I'm conjuring a rather provocative image of Sarah Palin exacting vengeance.

1023 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:48am

re: #1017 realwest


Nah, on his tax returns for the CY 2005 he and Michelle together made over $1.5 million alone

Reject middle-classness - get rich!

1024 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:52am

re: #1012 pingjockey

So far just Nicolle somebody or other. Lotsa off the record crap. Buncha assholes.

I don't care. These people should never have a moment of peace for the rest of their lives. I gave money, hell, we all did. That was highly unprofessional, and business is business.

1025 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:27:54am

re: #1017 realwest

And his poor brother got ZIP.

1026 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:28:11am

re: #1011 soxfan4life
S'alright. We try not to advocate, even jokingly such things. This site is a magnet for the left to take posts and say "look, look see how evil lgf is". Even though huffpoo and daily kkkos are bastions of hate and asshattery.

1027 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:28:17am

re: #998 reine.de.tout

I'm thinking it's a typical pattern prior to hunting season & Christmas. My sis-in-law told me that her hubby went to a gun show and bought a new gun. No reason other than - he was at a gun show and saw a gun he wanted. And of course, Christmas is coming up, as you said.

They need to check out what's happened in previous years at this time of the year, rather than telling us that gun sales are up right now.

No its not. A couple gun dealer buddies are very busy right now. The number one reason people give? BOzo. Most of us already have our guns for deer season.

1028 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:29:12am

re: #933 laZardo
Well hell, ya know if you really feel as if you'd rather not be on LGF, that's ok too - ya gotta go where you
think you'll be wanted and appreciated.
Good luck to you!

1029 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:29:29am
1030 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:29:42am

re: #1024 rawmuse
Oh yes, these folks are really really pissing off the wrong people with this shit.

1031 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:29:48am

Gun sales are up.

DENVER — Sales of handguns, rifles and ammunition have surged in the last week, according to gun store owners around the nation who describe a wave of buyers concerned that an Obama administration will curtail their right to bear arms.

“He’s a gun-snatcher,” said Jim Pruett, owner of Jim Pruett’s Guns and Ammo in northwest Houston, which was packed with shoppers on Thursday.

1032 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:27am

I go to the lava-treee!

1033 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:38am

re: #924 leftover54

Just thinkin' here, I know, scary but, if this hasn't been already said:

Since the "Fairness Doctrine" was first concieved a new venue for voiving political views has been added to the mix. Everyone seems to think the main target will be AM radio. OK but how about the internet ? Specifically, sites like this ? Will Charles be mandated to display kos posts in between every other Lizard post to keep it all "fair and balanced" ?

Fight.
Plan, deploy and fight.
Failure is not an option, have a redoubt, set aside funds and brains and know how for Radio Free AMERICA

NEVER let them impose this Orwellian doctrine, not even a watered down version. If people can fornicate in the streets of San Francisco in sanctioned orgies twice a year under "free speech" by hell I'm typing my fingers to the bone on the blogs, and dialing up the obnoxious Mr. Limbaugh. Yeah, he is obnoxious. He's also a tonic and a national treasure, so Get the Frack Over Yourselves You Tyrants

1034 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:45am

we're going to have to keep track of all the scum he lets sleep in the lincoln bedroom. could be an ugly line up.

1035 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:53am

How soon before the comedians start making fun of Obama? How soon before Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, and Letterman start to make snide comments about the Obamessiah? Or, are they going to put themselves out of work, like Olbermann [Countdown to become Kissup] and Matthews [Hardball to become Nerffball] will soon do?

1036 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:53am

re: #939 Miss Trixie
Can you "hep" it? What's up with that, eh?!
LOL!

1037 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:53am
1038 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:55am

re: #1031 logboy

Gun sales are up.

Pruett is a former radio personality (heck, maybe he's back on somewhere). Funny guy, but did not do politics. I have been in his store. Small, but fully packed.

1039 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:30:58am

re: #1015 OldLineTexan

Better yet, tell me what KIND of guns are experiencing a surge in sales

WaPo Express (the freebie little tabloid version of WaPo they hand out in the Metro) illustrates their "Lots of Gun Sales in Texas" story with a pic of a guy checking out a civilian-version FN P90. Not a typical hunting weapon, to be sure. Of course, he could just be gearing up for the private sector Stargate program.

1040 heidi586  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:31:04am

re: #965 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Not so...I was sitting at my desk last night when all in a sudden I heard what sounded like a political commercial...there he was - large as life on the big screen -BO! It was a commercial for socialized, free for all, we need better medical care and now is the time. I let out a scream that scared my son and husband "I thought it was over!" I'm not sure who is funding the commercial but the emblem is of a donkey elephant mix.

1041 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:31:27am

One of the things to remember about this economy.

Last time we were this bad off (during Carters 4 years) the personal debt load was not as severe as it is now. Credit cards were much less common, mortgages were a lot smaller and with fixed rates, people actually saved some money back then. so, if some one lost their job they had a better chance of still making it work. But with today's two income families and consumer debt out the ears, the impact of layoffs will be much more severe.

So look for the public to demand hand outs from Obama and a New Deal coming from Pelosi and company, the typical Keynesian approach of trying to shift outwards the aggregate demand curve.

That means they will print money like there is no tomorrow and we will have high inflation in a few years. That will lead to stagflation.

1042 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:07am
1043 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:08am

re: #1018 buzzsawmonkey

Did your group discuss the line from Pirkei Avot which says, "Give thanks for the government, because it is only for fear of it that men do not swallow one another alive?"

Did they discuss the line which says, "Seek no intimacy with the ruling power?"


Neatly skipped that -- it doesn't fit in their mindset, donchaknow.

1044 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:15am

OK all you FINE people. I have some work to finish, then back home to spend time with my son for his 31st Birthday.


Have a great Friday and weekend too. (-:

1045 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:28am

re: #1039 Occasional Reader

WaPo Express (the freebie little tabloid version of WaPo they hand out in the Metro) illustrates their "Lots of Gun Sales in Texas" story with a pic of a guy checking out a civilian-version FN P90. Not a typical hunting weapon, to be sure. Of course, he could just be gearing up for the private sector Stargate program.

Shoot, I paw and drool over as much as they let me. My budget will not support a P90. But I am buying cases of ammo.

1046 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:36am

Okay, this is scary. And very sad. Teenager Found Dead After Dispute with Parents over XBox

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

1047 bellamags  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:49am

re: #869 pingjockey

What? The kids can invite or disinvite who they want. Ever hear what happens when college Repubs try to have a speaker the left doesn't like? Tough noogies for the liberal twits.

Thank you ping. ; ) couldn't have put it better.
Its my party and I'll say bye bye if I want to!

1048 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:32:57am

re: #963 pingjockey

Fucking McCain staffers oughta be beat with a wet moose hide!

I notice McCain has been absent. He should step forward, defend his VP choice, and tell his former staffers to shut up.

1049 Macker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:33:21am

Good morning Lizards! Guess what! Today's my 48th birthday!

1050 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:33:46am
1051 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:02am

Feeling a little down today...I just can't get into the whole "riot and burn cars" thing for McCain.

Maybe I'll go shoot a moose...

1052 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:06am

re: #951 Dustoff-507
Oh hell Dustoff - y'all know how fickle wimmin can be!

1053 rightwinger3  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:07am

re: #971 Occasional Reader

The reporter is a dope, or has no experience with dogs (if such a thing is possible). You always let a strange dog sniff your hand first, offering it SLOWLY... you don't lunge in to try to pet him. He doesn't know you; of course he might bite.

Ha. I found that out the hard way too!

1054 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:10am

So who else read the Fox News story on Argentina grabbing pension funds and immediately had a mental image of Nancy and Harry doing a duet from Evita?

1055 Kerr Avon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:44am

re: #1019 gregg

I hope Obama offers a position to Kwame Kilpatrick.

Secretary of Thuggery and Cronyism.

1056 jcbunga  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:45am

Get the kids all packed up, it's time for the Obama Youth:

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

Over my dead body will they take my kids.

1057 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:34:54am
1058 Florida Lady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:35:00am

re: #966 Pyrocles

My Liberal Canadian wife will absolutely NOT believe that Democrats were in any way responsible for the financial crisis. It was caused completely by Republican malfeasance and corruption. I cannot convince her otherwise :(

Your liberal Canadian wife should meet my conservative Canadian husband - he'd set her straight! :-)

1059 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:35:36am

re: #1048 3 wood

McCain staffers actions and his silence on it says a lot. He could have easily prevented it.

1060 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:17am
1061 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:38am

re: #1060 buzzsawmonkey

He's bitterly clinging to his bipartisan maverick status.

He's as screwed as Lieberman. Game over.

1062 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:41am

re: #963 pingjockey

Fucking McCain staffers oughta be beat with a wet moose hide!


Yup, the McCain Campaign recruits her & she delivers energy & even a four point lead until the financial crisis.
The Dems & MSM knew that she was dangerous to their cause , so they wacked her around like a pinata. McCain & his people just let her twist.
Now they are blaming her for the defeat!

1063 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:43am

re: #1000 jamgarr

I need to know what this means - or, rather, I need someone to convince me that it's not double-talk for "your old age benefits are going to be reduced unless you volunteer to serve the new order".

Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

/spit!

Pretty much, he's going to steal your 401K and then demand you work in his KGB force to keep getting a meal ticket.

Just remember this: "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

1064 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:45am

Later folks. Keep the faith and have a good Friday. Happy B-day Macker, LaZardo, if ya gotta go okay, you oughta stay though. Vaya con dios folks.

1065 Florida Lady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:36:46am

re: #983 leftover54

Fox just did a blurb on gun sales. Up 10% in some places (since the election)
then mentioned Barrys statement about favoring a ban on certain guns.
Is 10% a typical increase in rifle sales every year just prior to deer season ?
Fox guy first said something like "they're flying off the shelves". Is 10% increase that significant ? I'm thankful for having Fox as an alternative but I want the news not reactionary spin. Not saying they're doing this but I'd like to know if this is truly an uptick in sales relative to the new Obamacy or is this a typical pattern just prior to hunting season/Christmas ?
They just left me hanging...


This is purely anecdotal, but my husband and I are buying guns this weekend, and I assure you they're not for Christmas presents.

1066 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:37:15am

re: #952 soxfan4life
Uh, respectfully, that's not the kind of explicit talk Charles want's out here on LGF. See the notice at the top of every comments page:

Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

[emphasis added, realwest]

1067 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:37:57am

re: #1054 OldLineTexan

So who else read the Fox News story on Argentina grabbing pension funds and immediately had a mental image of Nancy and Harry doing a duet from Evita?

"I hate to use the "S" word, but the American government would never do something as, well, socialist as seize private pension funds, right? This is exactly what cash-strapped Argentina just did in the name of protecting workers' retirement accounts (Efharisto, Fausta's Blog). Now, even Uncle Sam isn't that stupid, but some Democrats might try something almost as loopy: kill 401(k) plans."

Full Story Here

1068 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:38:00am

re: #1061 OldLineTexan

He's as screwed as Lieberman. Game over.

Lieberman does look rather well done at the moment doesn't he?

1069 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:38:02am
1070 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:38:27am

re: #1057 buzzsawmonkey

You know what I love about the Kiddush, the idea that on Yom Shishi, the idea that
G-d "shavat v'yhenafash". Everyone thinks of Shabbat as the day of REST-but that's just the "shavat" part, stopping work...l'hiynafash-is literally to refresh the soul. Isn't that gorgeous?

1071 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:38:58am

re: #1063 3 wood

Pretty much, he's going to steal your 401K and then demand you work in his KGB force to keep getting a meal ticket.

Just remember this: "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

You're not helping!

1072 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:38:59am
1073 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:39:04am

re: #1057 buzzsawmonkey

My other favorite line in Pirkei Avot is the discussion of the things which were created erev Shabbos at twilight; one of the things is--tongs, which are made with tongs.

I love that.


Yes. When the handout from Pirkei Avot was given everyone, I got excited, thinking that the sages knew best, how can it be turned political? Well, I was wrong, with this group. PA is a wonderful collection of think pieces, and a great guide for living. But it too can be turned on its head.

1074 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:39:15am

re: #1060 buzzsawmonkey

He's bitterly clinging to his bipartisan maverick status.

re: #1060 buzzsawmonkey

He's bitterly clinging to his bipartisan maverick status.

Get that man a gun and a Bible!

1075 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:39:57am
1076 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:40:14am

re: #1035 Golem Akbar

How soon before the comedians start making fun of Obama? How soon before Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, and Letterman start to make snide comments about the Obamessiah? Or, are they going to put themselves out of work, like Olbermann [Countdown to become Kissup] and Matthews [Hardball to become Nerffball] will soon do?

Not gonna happen. They are slobbering sycophants of the hard left. Their dream of having a Marxist in the White House has come true. Any problems out there will only be because we have not tried Marxism enough.

They will blame Bush for everything for the next 10 years.

1077 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:40:20am

re: #936 Kenneth

Bush attack dog goes after reporter.

About fricken' time.

Damn, that made my day.
Sic' em, boy!

1078 bombay311  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:40:38am

I was at the Browns game last night. In talking to alot of people I have concluded that there is a silent rage growing out there. It may be because the wounds are fresh, but I dont know.
Successful, powerful, well respected people are scared and pissed. They are saying the right things in public, supporting their president and such, but they are awaiting the first chance to pounce.
I have never heard a conservative talking about protesting, but many told me at the first sign of a socialst agenda being brought forth, they will react, harshly.
Again, it may be just because the pain is fresh we will see

1079 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:10am

re: #1068 Nevergiveup

Lieberman does look rather well done at the moment doesn't he?


No matter what, I will always remember him for standing up for principle. A true leader.

1080 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:11am
1081 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:17am
1082 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:27am

re: #950 realwest

I'm afraid we'll never know my friend. Never. And fwiw, I've cut off all of my "associates" AND "friends" who voted for Obama - no more Mr. Nice Guy - this sonofabitch is trying to steal my country from me and I ain't gonna let it happen quietly.

If you are able to do that, awesome. I'm thinking, though, what's strategic? Can they be reached to help fight for Freedom of Speech? We need allies to defeat utterly this assault on the Constitution. Also: would it be smarter to root out these McCain losers who are still feeding the media slime machine about Sarah Palin--and out them. Out them and ostracize them--force them to go register as Democrats and try to get a job with the Dems--let them be unemployed and unemployable for their treachery. I don't care if Sarah Palin said the moon's made of green cheese and put a tablefork through her updo--no Democrat would be allowed to babble against the Party and ever be part of anything again.

Discipline. Solidarity. Omerta.

1083 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:52am

re: #1068 Nevergiveup

Lieberman does look rather well done at the moment doesn't he?

I want him to change parties.

1084 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:41:54am
1085 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:42:04am

re: #1076 3 wood

Not gonna happen. They are slobbering sycophants of the hard left. Their dream of having a Marxist in the White House has come true. Any problems out there will only be because we have not tried Marxism enough.

They will blame Bush for everything for the next 10 years.


On the plus side, their careers as political satirists will soon be over.

1086 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:42:04am

re: #971 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - hope you've recovered from your long flight home!
I just wish that Bush had bought a PitBull or Rotweiller.

1087 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:42:06am

re: #1061 OldLineTexan

He's as screwed as Lieberman. Game over.

So much for wanting to unify the country in a bipartisan fashion.

1088 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:42:26am

Now that the election is over and the perennial threat by liberal celebrities to abandon America for Canada if the Republicans win has now passed... I just want to let any conservative celebrities know, if they're looking to flee the Obamination, my sofa is available. Preference will be given to Cheryl Ladd, Rachel Hunter or any other hot female conservatives.

1089 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:42:26am

re: #1040 heidi586

Not
so...I was sitting at my desk last night when all in a sudden I heard
what sounded like a political commercial...there he was - large as life
on the big screen -BO! It was a commercial for socialized, free for
all, we need better medical care and now is the time. I let out a
scream that scared my son and husband "I thought it was over!" I'm not
sure who is funding the commercial but the emblem is of a donkey
elephant mix.

That would be "Divided We Fail," which I believe is an offshoot of AARP.

1090 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:43:01am
1091 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:43:30am

re: #1046 BaseballMom57

Yes. The parents took it away from him 'cold turkey', after he had clearly had an addiction to on-line gaming for some time. He left home, and they let him go-to call his bluff. It's tragic. I personally feel that 'tough love' in this kind of thing is looking for a quick fix, instant solution to a problem that took time to develop. It's horrible.

1092 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:43:50am
1093 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:06am

re: #1069 Iron Fist

It's not a firearm. It is an intricate sculpture that incorperates moving parts to represent the cyclical nature of life. Any attempts to control it are attacks on artistic expression!

That should get the Leftists panties in a bunch.

I'm sorry, if it does not concern bodily excretions on symbols of the Christian faith, it is not Art. Get some dung on a painting of Mary as an elephant and we will make sure it's protected.

1094 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:09am

re: #1088 Kenneth

Now that the election is over and the perennial threat by liberal celebrities to abandon America for Canada if the Republicans win has now passed... I just want to let any conservative celebrities know, if they're looking to flee the Obamination, my sofa is available. Preference will be given to Cheryl Ladd, Rachel Hunter or any other hot female conservatives.


It's a nice idea, but I would rather they stay and fight. We need their voices. Now more than ever.

1095 Born_to_lose  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:37am

So, today at work, I figured I may as well ask while the topic was still hot... Asked my boss, the one who specifically handles the finances of the company (yes, we have 3 owners), how Obama's proposed healthcare plans were going to affect the company, how the owners here were going to dole out the healthcare and if we were going to "stay the course" if you will with our current plans. He basically brushed it off as, "Well, you know, it takes the government forever to do ANYTHING, so I don't think we really need to worry about that at the moment." And, while this is true, I thought to myself, well, nothing like a little bit of denial to quell the pangs of anxiety, eh?. I mean, IF I was a business owner, I'd be shakin' in my boots re: Obamanation's healthcare proposals, too. Anyway, Later in the morning, I told him the reason I asked was because, "I really don't MIND paying for healthcare." He looked at me like I had 16 heads and was like, "Well, you SHOULD! It's so expensive!" Ok, so do I wish the healthcare industry would bring the cost down, just a LIIITTLE bit? Yes, yes I do, however, we both agreed, it's better than Canada where ya have to wait 6 years to get a heart transplant ya needed 5 years prior!

1096 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:42am

re: #824 Miss Trixie

♪ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another loverly day in the valley and it's Firday! :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoooch* Glad to see you here - I've not been on in a while.

{wahabbi} Toots! Check out my new avatar ... A pic of Lil Miss and her country cousin ... :P


{Mss Trixie} is in da house!
hello..hope today finds you well and happy.

1097 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:45am

re: #1090 Iron Fist

Do you think we could apply for some kind of government grant? Maybe something from the NEA? I figure that I need about another $50K in armament to be comfortably armed. I'm poor, so the State owes me.

Hey, it works for smack addicts...


Don't forget: you are entitled.

1098 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:44:47am

re: #987 realwest

Yup. So you don't think they will touch this ? It may come to naught but I bet there's more than one in the ranks trying to think of ways to tax the net exert some control over content. There is more "hate speech" in cyber space than on any street in America. I can just picture the wheels a turnin' is all I'm sayin'.
If you know how the Internet is set up there are ways if they really got rabid over it. I can see 2 schools of thought:
1 Why bother with AM radio when one can broadcast over the net. I listen to Internet radio all day long - actual AM broadcasts (Rush, Hannity). This has to be a concern because its new technology that makes the old Fairness Doctrine obsolete. They do not have to "broadcast" to have their show heard. Then there is "pay" radio like Sirius" etc. I guess my point is for the Fairness Doctrine to make any difference as far as they are concerned, the Internet has changed the game completely. Of course I don't literally mean that Charles will have to interlace kos threads. Charles, if he choose, could have streaming radio playing as background on this site and what could they do about it ? Then there's "outside the USA" which they have NO control over. Maybe they will discover the Fairness Doctrine is now moot. Dunno if I cleared this up any ! (?)

1099 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:12am

re: #1091 WriterMom

Yes. The parents took it away from him 'cold turkey', after he had clearly had an addiction to on-line gaming for some time. He left home, and they let him go-to call his bluff. It's tragic. I personally feel that 'tough love' in this kind of thing is looking for a quick fix, instant solution to a problem that took time to develop. It's horrible.

I feel sorry for the parents. They did what they thought best. I would have probably done the same earlier.

1100 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:13am

re: #1078 bombay311

I would suppose that there is a feeling of despair at EVERY Browns game.

1101 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:21am

re: #1076 3 wood

Not gonna happen.
They are slobbering sycophants of the hard left. Their dream of having
a Marxist in the White House has come true. Any problems out there will
only be because we have not tried Marxism enough.

They will blame Bush for everything for the next 10 years.

I think The Daily Show will be cancelled within the next four years. Even if the producers were inclined to make fun of Obama, the audience they've built up in the past 8 years is not. Making fun of GOP Congressional leaders -which will be the only targets available - just won't be the same as making fun of President Bush.

1102 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:35am

re: #1046 BaseballMom57

Yes, that happened up here in Ontario. Very sad.

1103 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:41am

Mornin' all,

Another sucky day until Jan 21, 2013.

1104 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:45:47am

re: #1069 Iron Fist

It's not a firearm. It is an intricate sculpture that incorperates moving parts to represent the cyclical nature of life. Any attempts to control it are attacks on artistic expression!

I'm printing that and circulating it to the boys. I guess we don't have any guns after all!

1105 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:46:32am

re: #1081 VioletTiger

Your comment was cruel and utterly tasteless. Shame on you.

1106 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:46:33am

re: #1088 Kenneth

Now that the election is over and the perennial threat by liberal
celebrities to abandon America for Canada if the Republicans win has
now passed... I just want to let any conservative celebrities know, if
they're looking to flee the Obamination, my sofa is available.
Preference will be given to Cheryl Ladd, Rachel Hunter or any other hot
female conservatives.

We're keeping Angie Harmon, damn it!

1107 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:46:48am

last note before leaving you to your own devices:

Bipartisan is a code word for DATE RAPE

1108 onslow  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:46:49am

re: #1078 bombay311


I assume their moods weren't improved watching the Browns snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

1109 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:46:53am

re: #1087 3 wood

So much for wanting to unify the country in a bipartisan fashion.

OK, here's an idea...let's have ALL the sitting Repubs switch parties.

1110 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:47:24am

re: #1059 legalpad

McCain staffers actions and his silence on it says a lot. He could have easily prevented it.

it is shameful. they are blaming her because they lost.
they are out of work now, their hopes dashed.
on the outside looking in. turning on her because she's an easier target than mccain.
fck em.

1111 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:47:29am

Later, people. I am off to Vegas.
I may try logging in with my iPhone, but that is rough on the peepers.

1112 alien_mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:47:43am

re: #1034 nyc redneck

we're going to have to keep track of all the scum he lets sleep in the lincoln bedroom. could be an ugly line up.


for the first time ever, fleas will be found in the Lincoln bedroom.

1113 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:47:46am

re: #1081 VioletTiger

Like all "compassionate" liberal solutions, this won't end until there is a net under EVERY bridge in CA.

Could the "saved" jumper then sue San Francisco for every debt he or she incurs during their prolonged life?

1114 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:48:42am

re: #1049 Macker
Hey Macker - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU and many, many more!

1115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:48:57am

re: #1111 rawmuse

Later, people. I am off to Vegas.
I may try logging in with my iPhone, but that is rough on the peepers.

Put $100 on 16 for me.

1116 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:49:06am
1117 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:50:28am

re: #1101 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think The Daily Show will be cancelled within the next four years. Even if the producers were inclined to make fun of Obama, the audience they've built up in the past 8 years is not. Making fun of GOP Congressional leaders -which will be the only targets available - just won't be the same as making fun of President Bush.

I think they will turn the focus of their hate and venom onto conservative spokesmen like Coulter, Gingrich, Limbaugh and Hannity, etc.

Anybody not worshiping at the Marxist feet of President Obama will be determined an enemy of the State. Also, people of faith will become targets too. The only savior allowed will be Obama.

1118 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:50:51am

re: #1087 3 wood

So much for wanting to unify the country in a bipartisan fashion.

Was there ever really any such thing? "Bipartisan" to the left means silencing their opponents. To many Republicans, it means caving to the left. What Republicans need is to make up their mind what they are, get a vision, and get people who can deliver that vision to the minds of other Americans.

1119 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:50:53am

re: #1113 Bumr50

Like all "compassionate" liberal solutions, this won't end until there is a net under EVERY bridge in CA.

Could the "saved" jumper then sue San Francisco for every debt he or she incurs during their prolonged life?


There net should have been put up 30 years ago.
The GG bridge draws jumpers like a moth to a light.

1120 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:51:05am

re: #1081 VioletTiger

This just in...San Francisco to spend $40 to $50 million to put up a net to catch suicide jumpers on the Golden Gate Bridge. Words escape me...oh wait, how about, let 'em jump?

Damn I didn't know nets were that costly. I'm in the wrong business I should be selling nets.

1121 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:51:22am

re: #1116 Iron Fist

He should embrace the Dark Side

Let's leave Karl Rove out of this.

/

1122 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:52:12am
1123 Florida Lady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:52:28am

re: #1116 Iron Fist

It's kind of odd that he didn't. If he'd switched, the Republicans would have still controled the Senate these last two years. I even read an article, just before the election, where he was worried that the Dems would get a filibuster-proof majority. Made me want to slap him. "You're part of that problem", you know. Wake up.

The Dems have basically thrown him out. He should embrace the Dark Side, and come on in. He'd be warmly welcomed.


This is just MHO, but he should switch parties pronto and/or caucus with the GOP. I know he's really put his neck out on the line already, but the Dems aren't going to do anything but crap all over him.

His revenge should be to not let the Dems have a fillibuster-proof majority.

1124 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #1103 unreconstructed rebel

Mornin' all,

Another sucky day until Jan 21, 2013.


We've got our work cut out for us. It's rebuild time.
Here's a modest suggestion: go see Defiance when it comes out later this year. If it's anything like the book (which I just finished), it'll give you a great boost.

1125 MajorPribluda  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:53:14am

re: #1098 leftover54

On this subject, (Fairness Doctrine and internet censorship), does anybody recall the interview in which Senator Clinton described the need "for some sort of gatekeeping function" on the internet?

1126 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:53:30am

re: #922 Joan

The Fairness Doctrine was 47 C.F.R. § 73.1910. When it comes up again it will be a fight against Congress. The congresscritters are up for reelection in two years. Put the heat on them.

1127 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:53:56am

re: #1122 Iron Fist

Remember, you are an artist now. It is almost as good as being an actor. I'd try and join the Film Actors' Guild, but I wouldn't really fit in :-)

Ok, ok - I'm learning here - !

1128 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:54:01am

re: #1021 nyc redneck

don't stick your hand out to a strange dog. just stand politely and let it sniff you,
when it is comfortable then you can pet it.

... unless it comes bounding up to you, tail wagging in a full circle with joy: then its better to have hands in front, ready to grab forelegs and prevent a joyfull full-face lick!

Strange dogs must percevie you as unthretening, and they must make the first step. Its also a good idea not to stand fronting them but sideways, without direct eye contact. Dogs find that threatening as well. Watching the dog's ears, mouth and eyes, one can get a good idea of its intentions. Point is - the dog has to make the first step.

Reason: the dog/wolf higher in rank waits for the lower-ranking dog/wolf to approach and greet first.
Just watch how a low-ranking teenage dog approaches an adult male dog in the park: bpunce bounce bounce - and yep, he'll inevitably get told off in no uncertain dog terms!
Then watch how dogs of equal ranking, who haven't met each other yet, approach; each lies down, waits, then one gets up, takes a few steps, lies down ... so forth, till the usual careful sniffing takes place. No haste, lots of decorum.

Hi Lizards!
I love talking about dawgs!

1129 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:54:14am

re: #1120 Texas Heathen

Damn I didn't know nets were that costly. I'm in the wrong business I should be selling nets.

I'm not certain that the nets are so costly.

It's that they must be properly engineered and set up so that no one hurts themselves as they jump off the bridge in their suicide attempt.

1130 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:54:29am

re: #1101 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

McCain & his people just let her twist.

I find that is a problem with Republicans in general. I saw that happen to HW & W both. Somebody says "Boo" & they all run away.

1131 Pyrocles  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:12am

From what I've seen on LGF over the years, there are quite a few Canadian Conservatives. Unfortunately, I've never met one :(

All of my Canadian in-laws are celebrating Obama's election...constantly rubbing it in, knowing I'm a Conservative... /sigh

re: #1058 Florida Lady

Your liberal Canadian wife should meet my conservative Canadian husband - he'd set her straight! :-)

1132 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:18am

re: #1068 Nevergiveup

Lieberman does look rather well done at the moment doesn't he?

I'm getting out the butter and jam right now.

Chances are he'll be teaching at Quinnipiac Law beginning Spring 2013.

1133 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:47am
1134 alien_mind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:50am

re: #1087 3 wood

So much for wanting to unify the country in a bipartisan fashion.


all the champions of bipartisanship and reaching out (Lieberman. McCain. Graham) are now left out in the cold to wander aimlessly.

1135 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:55am

ooops. cont'd.

#2 left it out - shoulda been:
#1 Go for "balancing" AM radio - can't do anything about the internet.

#2. Who says we can't do anything about the internet ? We need people with vision here ...off to the salt mines with you ! /lEmanuel

1136 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:55:56am

&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday Dear Macker &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You! &#9836 &#9834

And many mooore!

/What do you want at the last minute? :P

1137 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:02am

re: #1120 Texas Heathen

Perhaps you could choose a less hurtful topic to comment on.

1138 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:16am

re: #1102 Kenneth

Yes, that happened up here in Ontario. Very sad.

I hope they find the person who killed him. Do you know if they have any leads?

1139 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:40am

re: #1130 unreconstructed rebel

McCain & his people just let her twist.

I find that is a problem with Republicans in general. I saw that happen to HW & W both. Somebody says "Boo" & they all run away.

These are not even men. What happened to them?

1140 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:42am
1141 Pyrocles  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:58am

Religious people will be the primary targets, I think...well, Christians at least. Bill Maher's recent "film" is the opening salvo.

re: #1117 3 wood

I think they will turn the focus of their hate and venom onto conservative spokesmen like Coulter, Gingrich, Limbaugh and Hannity, etc.

Anybody not worshiping at the Marxist feet of President Obama will be determined an enemy of the State. Also, people of faith will become targets too. The only savior allowed will be Obama.

1142 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:56:59am

re: #1124 Golem Akbar

Speaking of Daniel Craig, saw Quantum of Solace yesterday. The villain is curiously Soros-ish...being part of the Bond-nemesis evil organization but with a front company specializing in "reforestation." Hmm...

1143 Florida Lady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:03am

re: #1130 unreconstructed rebel

McCain & his people just let her twist.

I find that is a problem with Republicans in general. I saw that happen to HW & W both. Somebody says "Boo" & they all run away.

I'm not a fan of Pat Buchanan AT ALL, but he did have a terrific saying about chicken-s*** Republicans when the going gets a little tough - "headed for the tall grass."

1144 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:22am

re: #1109 OldLineTexan

OK, here's an idea...let's have ALL the sitting Repubs switch parties.

The Chicago Way, which is what we are dealing with now, is for Republicans to exist, cause the Dem's need to have someone to beat up on, but to only be polite whipped dogs who are always beaten into the ground and always magnanimous in defeat.

So let's be magnanimous in defeat now, then we can be again in 2010, again in 2012 and so forth.

Well I say to heck with that.

I say, let's figure out how to let the Democrats learn how to be magnanimous in defeat.

And the first step is to get up off the canvas and start swinging back.

And for me, that starts today.

1145 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:26am

re: #1140 buzzsawmonkey

Margarine, please; Lieberman is Orthodox, so I'm sure he would oppose your mixing milk and meat.

Jam is MEAT?

Next you'll be telling me Soylent Green is people!

1146 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:26am
1147 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:39am

re: #1056 jcbunga

Over my dead body will they take my kids.

Careful, careful...careful... This is going to be an Admin of Change.

1148 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:57:51am

re: #1140 buzzsawmonkey

Margarine, please; Lieberman is Orthodox, so I'm sure he would oppose your mixing milk and meat.

I was thinking the butter & jam was for the toast formerly known at the junior Senator from Connecticut.

1149 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:20am

re: #1080 buzzsawmonkey

How many people here are going to have Christmas trees this year, and how many are going to have Blame Bushes?

Do Jews have Xmas trees in the USA?
When I was a young Jewish kid growing up in Toronto, I remember begging my parents for a tree, but my pleas fell on deaf ears. The idea never did catch on up here - not even when some called it the "Hannukah Bush".

1150 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:33am
1151 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:36am

re: #1138 BaseballMom57

I don't know much about it. That's the kind of story I can't bring myself to read. Too horrible.

1152 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:52am

re: #1120 Texas Heathen

Ah! But wait until a jumper dislocates a knee in your netting...

1153 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:56am

re: #764 TaeJohnDo

I think she would win over a lot of people who may not normally take a look at her.

Another possibility for national exposure would be for her to slip into Steven's seat. Assuming he wins, and then has to leave office in order to serve time or simply to do the right thing.

The problem is: I don't like it when potential Presidential candidates are drawn from the Senate. I've been a lot happier with gubernatorial candidates over the years.

But it would beef up her national exposure and political chops.

1154 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:58:59am

re: #1144 3 wood

The Chicago Way, which is what we are dealing with now, is for Republicans to exist, cause the Dem's need to have someone to beat up on, but to only be polite whipped dogs who are always beaten into the ground and always magnanimous in defeat.

So let's be magnanimous in defeat now, then we can be again in 2010, again in 2012 and so forth.

Well I say to heck with that.

I say, let's figure out how to let the Democrats learn how to be magnanimous in defeat.

And the first step is to get up off the canvas and start swinging back.

And for me, that starts today.

3 wood, I'm talking about giving them an abundance of riches.

If what we have in the Senate hasn't done anything yet, why would they change now?

1155 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:01am

re: #1133 buzzsawmonkey

That's right--otherwise the injured foiled suicide will sue the city and collect big money.

I knew a guy who was on a US Coast Guard rescue chopper crew.

He said: We get a call that there's a boat sinking, kids on board? We're in the air within three minutes (or some such astounding figure).

Bridge jumper? We finish breakfast, then go.

1156 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:03am

re: #1128 yma o hyd


. . .

Hi Lizards!
I love talking about dawgs!

Hiya, Yma!
You love talking about dawgs, and I am always fascinated by the protocols of the animal kingdom.

It's always interesting to me to watch my cats assert and acknowledge their status in the household.

And the dog, among all the cats - they all seem to recognize him as their protector. He will go after any other dog or cat that goes after our cats.

1157 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:15am

re: #1146 Iron Fist

The Republicans have no balls. No balls at all. That's one reason that they are in the Minority now. They didn't have the courage of their convictions.

I think their balls have shrunk and sucked-up into their body cavity. Can you blame them?

1158 MajorPribluda  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:42am

re: #1116 Iron Fist

It's kind of odd that he didn't. If he'd switched, the Republicans would have still controled the Senate these last two years. I even read an article, just before the election, where he was worried that the Dems would get a filibuster-proof majority. Made me want to slap him. "You're part of that problem", you know. Wake up.

The Dems have basically thrown him out. He should embrace the Dark Side, and come on in. He'd be warmly welcomed.

Agreed on all parts. As much as I greatly admire Senator Lieberman, I was frustrated that he never actually did anything about the leftward spiral of the Senate. Granted, you don't usually criticise a single man for that, but it was the position he was in. He certainly must have considered it.

Of course, I would welcome him to the GOP, as he is more conservative than some in our party (our losses in the northeast will wind up being gains--losing our leftist fifth column). But if I had the chance to interview him, I would have to ask what kept him from attacking the party of lunatics, of troofers and nedrenaline.

1159 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:42am

IMHO putting a net on the GG is like requiring gun dealers to sell "suicide bullets" - you see, they look real but aren't. All ammunition purchasers must complete a form each time they buy ammunition which includes a box to mark if they are despondent. If they are, they get suicide bullets. Problem solved.

1160 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:44am

re: #1142 laZardo

Speaking of Daniel Craig, saw Quantum of Solace yesterday. The villain is curiously Soros-ish...being part of the Bond-nemesis evil organization but with a front company specializing in "reforestation." Hmm...


How was the film, overall? I haven't seen a great Bond film since Connery left.

1161 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 7:59:44am

Mornin'! Cal Thomas wrote an insightful op/ed piece that was printed in The Tennessean today. It's very much a wake-up call to the religious right who believe they are supposed to use politics to change culture instead of living the mandate Christ gave to the church.

An excerpt:

Too many conservative Evangelicals have put too much faith in the power of government to transform culture. The futility inherent in such misplaced faith can be demonstrated by asking these activists a simple question: Does the secular left, when it holds power, persuade conservatives to live by their standards? Of course they do not. Why, then, would conservative Evangelicals expect people who do not share their worldview and view of God to accept their beliefs when they control government?

Too many conservative Evangelicals mistake political power for influence. Politicians who struggle with imposing a moral code on themselves are unlikely to succeed in their attempts to impose it on others. What is the answer, then, for conservative Evangelicals who are rightly concerned about the corrosion of culture, the indifference to the value of human life and the living arrangements of same- and opposite-sex couples?

The answer depends on the response to another question: do conservative Evangelicals want to feel good, or do they want to adopt a strategy that actually produces results? Clearly partisan politics have not achieved their objectives. Do they think they can succeed by committing themselves to 30 more years of the same?

1162 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:00:09am

re: #1125 MajorPribluda

Good luck with that. Especially when they have to handle Anonymous.

/although I suspect most of them are just computer nerds looking for crude laughs and venting, not really the RESISTANCE types.

1163 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:00:50am

re: #1157 FrogMarch

I think their balls have shrunk and sucked-up into their body cavity. Can you blame them?

The article was interesting.

1164 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:34am

re: #1118 legalpad

Republicans need is to make up their mind what they are, get a vision

I'm not saying this is the be all and end all, but here's a start:

Hannity's Top 10 Items of Conservatism

1) To be the Candidate of National security:
a) Victory in Iraq
b) Fully support NSA, Patriot act, tough interrogations, keeping Gitmo open
c) A Candidate that pledges to NOT demean our military while they are fighting for their Country. eg Harry Reid: "the surge has failed", "the war is lost"
d) Candidate that promises to ensure that our veterans can live out their lives in dignity.

2) The Candidate who pledges to oppose Appeasement:
a) The Candidate will oppose any and all efforts to negotiate with dictators of the world in places like Iran, Syria, N.Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela without "pre-conditions"

3) The Candidate Pledges to support Tax CUTS, and fiscal responsibility:
a) The American people are NOT under taxed, Government Spends too much
b) The Candidate who Pledges to ELIMINATE and VOTE AGAINST ALL Earmarks
c) The Candidate pledges to BALANCE the budget

4) The Candidate Pledges to be a supporter of "Energy Independence"
a) supports Immediate drilling in Anwar and the 48 states
b) Building new refineries
c) Begin building and using Nuclear Facilities
d) expand coal mining
e) realistic steward of the environment
While simultaneously working with private industry to develop the new energy technologies for the future, with the goal being that America becomes completely energy independent within the next 15 years.

5) The Candidate pledges to secure our borders completely within 12 months:
a) build all necessary fences
b) use all available technology to help and support agents at the border
c) train and hire agents as needed

6) Healthcare:
The Candidate will look for Free-Market solutions to the problems facing the Healthcare industry, and will vigorously oppose any efforts to "nationalize healthcare".
a) The Candidate will fight for Individual health savings accounts, that includes "catastrophic insurance" for every American, so people can control their own healthcare choices.

7) Education:
a) The Candidate pledges to "save" American children from the failing educational system
b) The Candidate will fight to break the unholy alliance of the Democratic party and teachers unions, which at best has institutionalized mediocrity, and has failed children across the country
c) fight for "CHOICE" in education and let parents decide
d) fight for vouchers for parents

8) Social Security and Medicare:
a) The Candidate will "save" social security and medicare from bankruptcy.
b) Options will include "private retirement" funds so people can "control" their own destiny.

9) Judges
a) The Candidate vows to support ONLY judges who recognize that their job is to interpret the Constitution, and NOT legislate from the bench.

10) American Dream:
The Candidate accepts as their duty and responsibility to educate, inform, and remind people that with the blessings of Freedom comes a Great responsibility. That Government's primary goal is to preserve, protect and defend our God given gift of freedom.

That Government's do not have the ability to solve all of our problems, and to take away all of our fears and concerns. We need their pledge that we will be the candidate that promotes Individual liberty, Capitalism, a strong national defense and will support policies that encourage such...

It is our fundamental belief that limited Government, and Greater individual responsibility will insure the continued prosperity and success for future generations.

We the people who believe in the words of Ronald Reagan, that we are "the best last hope for man on this earth," "a shining city on a hill," and that our best days are before us if our Government will simply trust the American people.

1165 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:39am

re: #1160 Golem Akbar

It's the sort of sequel that needs its prequel in order for you to "get it," as the first scene literally takes place following what happens at the end of Casino Royale.

That said, it's awesome. It's a new approach to Bond but you can still tell that it is Bond. Unlike...say..."Never Say Never Again."

1166 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:47am

re: #1150 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you were referring to Lieberman himself being toast; if so, it would be fleischig (meat) toast.

Every year at Purim, my rabbi puts the following announcement in the synagogue newsletter:

Please be advised that the product "Humantaschen" made by the Soylent Corporation is fleischig and therefore treyf.

1167 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:48am
1168 Pyrocles  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:48am

Check out this article from the Buffalo News: Campaign’s media stars –and flameouts.

Katie Couric was named the number one media star for finding "the obvious flaws of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin". The writer also praised Pat Buchanan for "defending the missteps of the McCain campaign".

1169 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:50am

re: #1146 Iron Fist

The Republicans have no balls. No balls at all. That's one reason that they are in the Minority now. They didn't have the courage of their convictions.

Makes you wonder why they are there. They certainly don't seem very interested in governing.

I can't help but remember P.J. O'Rourke - Republicans love to say government doesn't work & when elected prove it. (Or words to that effect.)

1170 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:53am

re: #1138 BaseballMom57

Police have said no foul play was involved. An autopsy is being performed. No further news.

1171 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:01:54am
1172 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:02:02am

"Whose the President , who give yo stuff to brotha man?" Barack!
'Damn right!"

1173 MajorPribluda  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:02:19am

re: #1117 3 wood

I think they will turn the focus of their hate and venom onto conservative spokesmen like Coulter, Gingrich, Limbaugh and Hannity, etc.


Wow. This is astute, and more than a little alarming. They've cleared out the government, and now they'll mow us down like prisoners of war on the wrong side of a bad battle.

1174 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:02:46am
1175 joncelli  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:03:37am

re: #450 NC State of Mind

Give that dog a steak!

1176 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:03:50am

re: #1172 opnion

Barack Obama is one badass mother-

/shut yo mouth

1177 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:03:57am

re: #1076 3 wood
Yep and have you noticed it's those who already have a ton of money (the "elites") who are calling for the redistribution of wealth on an income basis?
How's about we call for a redistribution of wealth on a net worth basis instead?

1178 Florida Lady  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:08am

re: #1147 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Careful, careful...careful... This is going to be an Admin of Change.

I just sent the link regarding Mr Hopey-Changy's Marxist Youth Brigade to my kids, so they can rub it in the faces of those spoiled-brat acquaintances at their universities who so gleefully and thoughtlessly voted for the Obamanation.

These idiots are going to learn that elections have consequences - and these will directly affect them.

I take heart knowing there are young people out there who saw through this fraud.

1179 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:10am

re: #1150 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you were referring to Lieberman himself being toast; if so, it would be fleischig (meat) toast.

Not much meat left on Dem old bones.

1180 vegasjew  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:11am

I campaigned,phone banked and did all I could for McCain to win. Now that it is over,I think 4 more years
of the media beating on us would have been a disaster. In 2012 we would have been swept out winning only Utah and Alabama. Time to regroup,there is no money for Obama to implement his plans,and I think he actually has the skill set to be a decent president. I think he might not be the pussy everyone thinks he is going to be. That being said if he tries to rob us of our 1st and 2nd amendments,
I will turn on him quick ,I think moving up the leadership role of Eric Kantor is a really good move and he will be a future GOP star.

1181 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:23am

re: #1171 buzzsawmonkey

The "Hannukah Bush" is the last stop on the road to assimilation. I've known some people who had them; without exception, they were people who did not allow Judaism to bother them much the rest of the year.

When we were kids, my father decided that he was not going to let us be seduced by all the pretty Christmas lights in the neighborhood. So he went down to the basement workshop and built a 5-foot-high electric menorah, which used bubble lights as candles.

The "Bubble Monster" became an integral part of the family tradition; he made portable versions for us when we grew up and moved away.

ROTFL. So cool.

Anyway, I feel for you. We don't do Kwanzaa at my house. ;)

1182 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:31am

My SIL was an Army Nurse at whatever the base is that's right next to the GG. She cared for a woman who survived a jump that was part of a lovers' pact - the problem was that on the count of "three" she jumped but lover-boy didn't. She was Pissed!

1183 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:04:49am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Hey, I'm 18 miles from Boulder. Our snow is a rainbow of color, happy little snowflakes, we save everyone of them, in our freezers, and take them out in the summer...

How far are you from Nederland?
That's what really counts.

1184 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:05:29am

re: #1128 yma o hyd

hey there {yma o hyd},
thanks for elaborating on that. my emphasis was on approaching a strange dog that is not obviously happy to see you. that is when a problem can arise. until that dog is comfortable w/ you it is best not to go sticking out a hand.

last night i dreamed i got a new puppy. a little mutt. it was such a vivid dream, when i got up this morning i almost went looking for it.

1185 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:05:33am

re: #1137 Kenneth

My comment was based on the cost. 40-50 million dollars seems like a bit much to design and install netting on the GG bridge. If you saw anywhere in my post where I advocated or even made light of the prospect of jumpers then hi-lite it and show me.
I too have known people who chose to end their lives. People I was very close to so get down off your high horse and don't presume to brow beat me.

1186 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:05:48am
1187 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:06:11am

re: #1084 buzzsawmonkey
"At least they didn't buy a trampoline" ROTFLMAO!

1188 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:06:35am

re: #1154 OldLineTexan

3 wood, I'm talking about giving them an abundance of riches.

If what we have in the Senate hasn't done anything yet, why would they change now?

Oh, sorry, I missed your point originally.

I want no more RINO's, I want no more Rockefeller Republicans.

Be a true conservative or go join the Democrats.

1189 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:07:15am

re: #1156 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Yma!
You love talking about dawgs, and I am always fascinated by the protocols of the animal kingdom.

It's always interesting to me to watch my cats assert and acknowledge their status in the household.

And the dog, among all the cats - they all seem to recognize him as their protector. He will go after any other dog or cat that goes after our cats.

Hiya, reine!

Dunno if your cats are all female - but lions in a pride all are, and they're all related: grannies, mums, aunts, sisters, cousins. The one male is sort of a protector - he protects them against other male lions. These are usually bachelors in search of a pride. If the male lion gets too old to defend his girlies - he gets chased away and wanders lonely through the savannah, while the victor kills all his last cubs. That gets the lionesses back into estrus - and he can sire his cubs ...

So I can see that your cats, if they are female, would regard your dog as honorary lion (ahem, cat!)

1190 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:08:02am

re: #1171 buzzsawmonkey

I'd love to build a Hanukah Monster!

1191 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:08:04am

re: #1188 3 wood

Oh, sorry, I missed your point originally.

I want no more RINO's, I want no more Rockefeller Republicans.

Be a true conservative or go join the Democrats.

IOW, let 'em all become Dems and then wait for the next election to start with a clean slate. This is what I am proposing, and I am only half-joking.

1192 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:08:32am

re: #1176 laZardo

Barack Obama is one badass mother-

/shut yo mouth


'But I talkin bout Obama" Barack Obama!

1193 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:08:32am

re: #1164 3 wood

Also: No media in the war zones. No pulling punches. No moving the goalposts on the troops. Fight the propaganda war. Not only answer your critics immediately, but cut them to ribbons.

1194 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:09:06am

re: #1105 Kenneth
My friend, you really have lost your sense of humor. I hope you find it again and soon!

1195 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #1193 legalpad

Also: No media in the war zones. No pulling punches. No moving the goalposts on the troops. Fight the propaganda war. Not only answer your critics immediately, but cut them to ribbons.

I disagree with that proposal.

1196 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:09:36am

In honor of our new President elect, my first comment when returning to a thread will be present.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
pres⋅ent
1   /ˈprɛzənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [prez-uhnt] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being, existing, or occurring at this time or now; current: the present ruler.


Bold is rather ironic.

1197 Macker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:09:47am

re: #1176 laZardo

Barack Obama is one badass mother-

/shut yo mouth

Um, didn't Michelle call him her babies' daddy?

1198 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:09:48am
1199 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:13am

re: #1173 MajorPribluda

Wow. This is astute, and more than a little alarming. They've cleared out the government, and now they'll mow us down like prisoners of war on the wrong side of a bad battle.

This is the Chicago Way.

Take a look at the Chicago media. Once Mike Royko died, anybody who actually criticized the Democrats has been run out of town. They are all shameless whores here for the Democrats along the lines of a Chrissy Matthews.

1200 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:16am

re: #1196 jorline

In honor of our new President elect, my first comment when returning to a thread will be present.


Bold is rather ironic.

Are you saying Obama will be a Presentdent?

1201 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:24am

re: #1041 3 wood

they will print money like there is no tomorrow and we will have high inflation in a few years. That will lead to stagflation

I am really afriad that you are right. The paper to print money is cheap.

1202 leftover54  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:52am

re: #1049 Macker

Happy Birthday Macker ! You can think of it as the 27th anniversary of your 21st birthday (?). Worked for me !

1203 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:53am

re: #1185 Texas Heathen

I did not presume to brow beat you. The tasteless comment was in VioletTiger's original post, which you quoted. Whatever the point you thought you were making, it is still a hurtful topic to make light of.

1204 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:10:56am

re: #1177 realwest

How's about we call for a redistribution of wealth on a net worth basis instead?

Yes, including all layered S-corporations, trusts, foundations, offshore, and foreign assets. (Get Teddy's money.)

1205 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:28am

re: #1110 nyc redneck
Hey there nyc redneck - I agree with you, but I say "Fuck him" to McCain too - where the hell has he been while this has been going on? Why didn't he slap those people down?

1206 Macker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:31am

re: #1202 leftover54

Happy Birthday Macker ! You can think of it as the 27th anniversary of your 21st birthday (?). Worked for me !

That's not a bad idea! Thanks for the suggestion!

1207 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:32am

re: #1204 legalpad

Yes, including all layered S-corporations, trusts, foundations, offshore, and foreign assets. (Get Teddy's money.)

Screw his money. Put green energy all over his effing coastline and spread the wealth.

1208 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:40am

re: #1191 OldLineTexan

IOW, let 'em all become Dems and then wait for the next election to start with a clean slate. This is what I am proposing, and I am only half-joking.

I have no problem with that. They want to play footsie with the Marxists, then go be one openly.

1209 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:50am

re: #1195 OldLineTexan

I disagree with that proposal.

Why so?

1210 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:55am

re: #1192 opnion

'But I talkin bout Obama" Barack Obama!

umm...sorry...we can't dig it

1211 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:56am

re: #1205 realwest

Hey there nyc redneck - I agree with you, but I say "Fuck him" to McCain too - where the hell has he been while this has been going on? Why didn't he slap those people down?

Because he's dead, Jim.

1212 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:11:59am

Let's see...wonder what McCain's favorable rating amongst republicans would be?

As for his running mate, Governor Sarah Palin, her favorable rating in GOP land is 91%, according to Rasmussen.

I'd hazard a guess and say that Mac's total approval rating might be somewhere near the percentage who believe that Palin helped McCain in his bid for the Oval office, which would be 69%.

1213 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:12:25am

re: #1165 laZardo

It's the sort of sequel that needs its prequel in order for you to "get it," as the first scene literally takes place following what happens at the end of Casino Royale.

That said, it's awesome. It's a new approach to Bond but you can still tell that it is Bond. Unlike...say..."Never Say Never Again."


Thanks. I'll see it, then.

1214 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:12:43am
1215 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:12:48am

re: #1194 realwest

My friend, you really have lost your sense of humor. I hope you find it again and soon!

Yo Real, I have my sense of humor in tact! I thought that it was tasteless & funny, the best kind.

1216 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:12:48am
1217 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:12:57am

re: #1200 OldLineTexan

Are you saying Obama will be a Presentdent?

LOL...took me a second, OLT.

1218 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:13:00am

re: #1161 Intrepid

Mornin'! Cal Thomas wrote an insightful op/ed piece that was printed in The Tennessean today. It's very much a wake-up call to the religious right who believe they are supposed to use politics to change culture instead of living the mandate Christ gave to the church.

An excerpt:

Excellent column. I like this quote:

If conservative Evangelicals choose obscurity and seek to glorify God, they will get much of what they hope for, but can never achieve, in and through politics.

1219 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:13:34am

re: #1194 realwest

REAL! Sent you an e-mail...

1220 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:14:09am

re: #1205 realwest

Hey there nyc redneck - I agree with you, but I say "Fuck him" to McCain too - where the hell has he been while this has been going on? Why didn't he slap those people down?

hey {real},
agreed. this is precisely why he didn't get elected.
too equivocal abt. when to take a stand.

1221 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:14:14am
1222 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:14:54am

re: #1209 legalpad

Why so?

When a democratic republic goes to war, her citizens are deserving of information. Not sensitive information, but accurate as far as possible within the limits of necessary secrecy. We had reporters in WW2 and Korea. The difference was that the vast majority were openly pro-American. I want to read Michael Yon's work, and I want my kids to have the same access as my country is forced to protect herself in their generation.

1223 jamgarr  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:14:54am

Stagnation Inflation?

1224 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:15:01am

re: #1205 realwest

but I say "Fuck him" to McCain too - where the hell has he been while this has been going on? Why didn't he slap those people down?

He's been busy being a magnanimous loser and kissing Joe Biden's rear end.

All while Palin has gotten savaged.

McCain can go screw himself too.

1225 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:15:02am

re: #1160 Golem Akbar

How was the film, overall? I haven't seen a great Bond film since Connery left.

If you haven't seen it, I unreservedly recommend Casino Royale (the remake).

Looking forward very much to Quantum of Solace.

1226 BaseballMom57  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:15:11am

re: #1091 WriterMom

The authorities say they don't think there was any foul play. They think he grew disoriented due to the cold and went wandering, fell and then died of hypothermia. I will continue to pray for the family. The parents' guilt must be overwhelming.

1227 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:15:18am

re: #1194 realwest

My sense of humour is just fine, thank you. Making jokes about suicide the day after a fellow LGFer mentioned her step-brother just committed suicide is horribly insensitive.

1228 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:15:22am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

"Stagflation" was a term coined under Carter to refer to the staggeringly high rate of inflation.

Not quite. See here: [Link: www.investopedia.com...]

1229 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:21am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It's nice to see that Obama's off to such a strong start in his choices for his top level positions.

That Rahm Emanuel is a big hit. Nice to see that the media is doing its job vetting the folks he surrounded himself with.

Reputation as an enforcer. That's not a problem. You need a gatekeeper to handle the crushing load of items heading to your desk and with the $650 million spent on his campaign, there's a whole lot of IOUs to be cashed. Emanuel would certainly help in that respect.

However, it's the other issues that the media hasn't focused on much that should give pause. Freddie Mac. Mahoney mess. No property tax payments because his home is tax exempt.

Where was the media for weeks and months when all signs pointed to Emanuel having a key role in an Obama administration? Snoozing as usual.

1230 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:21am
1231 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:29am

re: #1221 buzzsawmonkey

Case in point...what to do with the territories formerly known as Palestine Judea.

1232 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:54am

The aggressive Chicago Cartel has presumptuously started a web site called change.gov. On it they describe new work requirement for kids - termed "volunteer hours." Reminiscent of the soviet programs.

I am outraged. I am already overwhelmed with keeping the kids on top of homework, chores, and Boy Scouts and now Bossy Big Sister is going to shoulder us with this additional forced volunteer time. It is too much. This is a tax on our time.

Do we parents have to supervise this or are we sending them to work camps - and who is paying for those work camps? Who is paying for the transportation and the supervision? What will they be forced to do? Volunteer at Planned Parenthood? Help with a needle exchange program?

This is nothing more than a powergrab before Obama is even in office. It shows his callousness to the challenges of the American Family and to the rising unemployment rate. Will all these college volunteers be taking legitimate work away from union workers, or just regular workers?

We are already doing plenty of church related service as a family - and if Obama is going to tell me that church service can count towards this work requirement, I don't agree with that either - because then the church has to account to the state for all these volunteer hours, and that means even more bureaucracy.

We already pay high property taxes and now Obama is holding diplomas hostage so the state can benefit from free labor and a chance to indoctrinate our children.

College kids have enough on their plates without being forced to give up 100 hours of time - on top of the usually unpaid internships that they are already required to do. They need their free time to work, so they can support themselves and pay for these overpriced liberal schools. They are already doing a huge service to society by applying themselves in school, and getting a degree. Why force more stress on everyone?

Every parent should contact their school board and tell them if this becomes a requirement, then the school should be prepared to have parents withdraw their children from school.

Back off Obama - Hands Off Our Kids!

I'm glad to see that this is in violation of the 13th Ammendment which prohibits involuntary servitude.

1233 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:56am

Later, Lizards!

1234 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:16:57am

re: #1161 Intrepid

Does the secular left, when it holds power, persuade conservatives to live by their standards? Of course they do not. Why, then, would conservative Evangelicals expect people who do not share their worldview and view of God to accept their beliefs when they control government?

That argument makes no sense at all...

Is he really suggesting that conservatives should look to their ideological enemies as role models for their own actions?

I think the context provided by the remainder of your quote indicates otherwise, but this question certainly doesn't strengthen Thomas' argument.

1235 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:17:10am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

"Stagflation" was a term coined under Carter to refer to the staggeringly high rate of inflation.

A good definition of Stagflation: Stagflation is an economic situation in which inflation and economic stagnation occur simultaneously and remain unchecked for a period of time. The portmanteau "stagflation" is generally attributed to British politician Iain Macleod, who coined the term in a speech to Parliament in 1965. The concept is notable partly because, in postwar macroeconomic theory, inflation and recession were regarded as mutually exclusive, and also because stagflation has generally proven to be difficult and costly to eradicate once it gets started. See From Wikipedia.

1236 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:17:28am

re: #1184 nyc redneck

hey there {yma o hyd},
thanks for elaborating on that. my emphasis was on approaching a strange dog that is not obviously happy to see you. that is when a problem can arise. until that dog is comfortable w/ you it is best not to go sticking out a hand.

last night i dreamed i got a new puppy. a little mutt. it was such a vivid dream, when i got up this morning i almost went looking for it.

Yep - I understood what you said - and its something parents must teach their children!
With all these different breeds, people have forgotten that the animal they share their hosue with - or the one they meet in the parks, is actually a cut-down version of the wolf. Its not a stuffed toy, nor a little person in a fur coat.
Having watched nature films on wolf packs, I was stunned to see how much of their behaviour is still there in Border Collies - the working ones. And that after about 12 thousand years or so!

(Someone once said that wolves actually domesticated humans, not humans the wolves ...!)

1237 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:17:45am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

"Stagflation" was a term coined under Carter to refer to the staggeringly high rate of inflation.

It has always reminded me of "stag films"--maybe because the policies that produce stagflation are screwy, and we end up watching helplessly.

I always thought it was a contraction of stagnation and inflation, but I like your source better.

1238 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:17:50am

re: #1163 OldLineTexan

The article was interesting.

It's a plausible theory.

1239 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:18:04am

re: #1221 buzzsawmonkey

One thing to take comfort in: Leftists divide more rapidly than amoebas.

The Leftist tendency to engage in schismatic and fratricidal warfare may yet save the country.


Good to remember. They do have a history of eating their own, once in power. It's patience we need, right about now...

1240 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #1220 nyc redneck

hey {real},
agreed. this is precisely why he didn't get elected.
too equivocal abt. when to take a stand.

McCain is & will remain a guy who will toss his friends off of the sled, so that he can be liked by the other guys & admired by the MSM.
He should have closed ranks & defended Palin, but he didn't.
McCain was actually the MSM choice for the nominee & enough Republicans & Independents went along.
Bad candidate & bad campaign

1241 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:18:46am

re: #1117 3 wood
Oh good! I've always wanted to be an "Enemy of the State" - life's so much easier that way, ya know. Just like the Dems over the past 8 years, you don't have to propose anything POSITIVE just express hatred for what's going on!
BTW, I still like the idea of sticking it to the Elites by redistribuing wealth based on Net Worth, not income!
Let's see 'em all line up to follow Obama when they lose their mansions, lose their five or six extra vehicles, lose the maids, secretaries, chauffers and the like. No longer own a little piece of this restaurant, this independent movie studio, and the like.
Yup - HEY PRESIDENT OBAMA - If you REALLY want to redistribute the wealth in this country, do it on the basis of NET WORTH - ya know, anyone with a NET WORTH of say A million bucks plus, has to give up everything over that million bucks!

1242 BingoBunny  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:18:51am

theres plenty for us in the productive class to do to help Obamaites into power.. we can invent Birkenstock hip-boots.. so they don't get their feet icky wading through the streets flowing with milk and honey, we can crank out 3 sided coins.. heads tails present, so Obamaessiah can quickly decide which programs he needs, and we can set up street side draft centers so all the Youts who voted for him can quickly be hustled off to train in ObamaYouth Legions, "march and change.. hope and march"

1243 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:19:05am

re: #1221 buzzsawmonkey

The Leftist tendency to engage in schismatic and fratricidal warfare may yet save the country.

That's where all Dem Jews can really help them out! ;D

1244 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:19:36am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

"Stagflation" was a term coined under Carter to refer to the staggeringly high rate of inflation.

It has always reminded me of "stag films"--maybe because the policies that produce stagflation are screwy, and we end up watching helplessly.

Well it was the combination of the word "stagnation" and "inflation". Under traditional keynesian theory, you can either have

1. low inflation but high unenemployment, or

2. low unemployment and high inflation

But not low inflation and low inflation or high unemployment and high inflation.

The advent of high inflation and high unemployment during the term of President Carter threw the liberal economic thinkers of the time.

1245 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:20:14am

re: #1222 OldLineTexan

When a democratic republic goes to war, her citizens are deserving of information. Not sensitive information, but accurate as far as possible within the limits of necessary secrecy. We had reporters in WW2 and Korea. The difference was that the vast majority were openly pro-American. I want to read Michael Yon's work, and I want my kids to have the same access as my country is forced to protect herself in their generation.

Yeah - If we could weed out those who hate the troops or who do not understand war. Right now it might as well be Al-Qaeda walking around with cameras among us half the time. If it could be like it was in WWII it would be fine. But this would require some serious leadership to accomplish. Too many Republicans confuse leadership with compromiseing.

1246 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:20:19am

re: #1218 scottishbuzzsaw

I agree with Cal 100%, and I am an evangelical Christian. I've done extensive biblical studies in the course of my missions work (20 years worth), and nowhere in the bible did I see Christ command (or model) the pursuit of the kingdom through governmental means.

If you cannot live your beliefs at home, at work or at play, do not expect you will be able to force a whole nation to live them.

1247 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:20:19am

re: #1225 Occasional Reader

If you haven't seen it, I unreservedly recommend Casino Royale (the remake).

Looking forward very much to Quantum of Solace.


I saw Casino Royale a long time ago, with Woody Allen in it.
I will definitely see the new one now.

1248 lurking faith  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:20:49am

re: #1081 VioletTiger

Clearly you don't know anyone who has tried to commit suicide (much less succeeded). Lucky you.

The rest of my response to your comment is self-deleted.

1249 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:21:19am

#1216 buzzsawmonkey

The term "stagnation" was coined to describe the twin economic problems of that era: economic stagnation (ie. no growth) and inflation. Previously it was thought you could have one or the other, but not both together.

1250 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:21:28am

re: #1232 DistantThunder

We are already doing plenty of church related service as a family

Doesn't count! It's bitter, and clingy, and insufficiently "progressive".

Try again, prole! Our Dear Leader will not let you go back to your apathetic, uninformed life...


/

1251 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:01am

re: #1243 Spare O'Lake

That's where all Dem Jews can really help them out! ;D

My experience with them is that they will lead the charge. I will just have to stand aside, while the backbiting-apolooza begins.

1252 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:17am

re: #1246 Intrepid

I agree with Cal 100%, and I am an evangelical Christian. I've done extensive biblical studies in the course of my missions work (20 years worth), and nowhere in the bible did I see Christ command (or model) the pursuit of the kingdom through governmental means.

If you cannot live your beliefs at home, at work or at play, do not expect you will be able to force a whole nation to live them.

Couldn't agree with you more...

1253 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:33am
1254 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:39am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

"Stagflation" was a term coined under Carter to refer to the staggeringly high rate of inflation.

It has always reminded me of "stag films"--maybe because the policies that produce stagflation are screwy, and we end up watching helplessly.

It was also heavily used here in Britain, whne wilson and Labour got back in in the early 1970s.
The then Chancellor of the Exchequer, Denis Healy, promised to tax the rich 'till the pips squeak' ... And thus came the 'winter of discontent' - strikes, three-day working week, rubbish heaps in the streets, electricity cuts ...

(And then came Maggie!)

1255 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:51am

re: #1232 DistantThunder

he is going to expect a lot done for free.
michelle told us he was going to make us work. not let us go back to our lives as we knew them.
all those people who voted for him, expecting free stuff, should have just gotten real jobs.
they'd feel better abt. themselves.

1256 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:22:59am

Jorline!
It's almost lunch..what's the special today?
I need to make up my mind and get prepared..

1257 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:23:01am

re: #1146 Iron Fist
Hey 'Bro

The Republicans have no balls. No balls at all. That's one reason that they are in the Minority now. They didn't have the courage of their convictions.

what convictions? I mean other than Ted Stevens in Alaska?!

1258 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:23:14am

"Stagflation" is closely related to "pigflation".

1259 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:24:57am
1260 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:24:59am
1261 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:25:07am

re: #1218 scottishbuzzsaw

Hi Buzz - Thanks for pointing that out.

1262 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:25:16am

re: #1240 opnion


He should have closed ranks & defended Palin, but he didn't.

Defense would not be necessary if McCain retained his manhood. From the beginning, everyone should have know that if they mess with Palin, he would decapitate them. Period. I think he's burned all his heroism capital on this one.

1263 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:25:42am

re: #1244 3 wood

Well it was the combination of the word "stagnation" and "inflation". Under traditional keynesian theory, you can either have

1. low inflation but high unenemployment, or

2. low unemployment and high inflation

But not low inflation and low inflation or high unemployment and high inflation.

The advent of high inflation and high unemployment during the term of President Carter threw the liberal economic thinkers of the time.

Just curious...how would Keynes explain our very recent low inflation with low unemployment? (up until October).

1264 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:25:49am

re: #1232 DistantThunder

Distant, please keep us informed about any new information and links.

1265 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:25:54am

According to the USA Today I'm reading in my Best Western's breakfast area: "Hopes are High for Race Relations". Anyone getting along better with their neighbors?

1266 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:26:41am

re: #1261 FrogMarch

Hi Buzz - Thanks for pointing that out.

Mornin' Froggie...how are you today?

~Scottie

1267 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:26:55am

re: #1265 freedombilly

According to the USA Today I'm reading in my Best Western's breakfast area: "Hopes are High for Race Relations". Anyone getting along better with their neighbors?


said the man in the beret , carrying the night stick

1268 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:27:11am

re: #1232 DistantThunder

I'm glad to see that this is in violation of the 13th Ammendment which prohibits involuntary servitude.

That's why they will call it "volunteer service". Just like the time I got told I was working "volunteer" mandatory unpaid overtime.

1269 TaeJohnDo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:27:16am

re: #1230 buzzsawmonkey

I stand corrected.

But the term still reminds me of stag films.

Well Duh! I mean, WE ARE GETTING SCREWED!

1270 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:27:50am
1271 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:28:06am

re: #1246 Intrepid

Indeed. and it's not that conservatives should kick out the religious right - it's that the religious right needs to understand reality and stop pushing so hard. Politics is not a platform for the conversion the masses.

1272 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:28:42am

re: #1251 Golem Akbar

LOL. Heck, we Jews invented "schismatic" and "fratricidal".
- channeling the story of Cain and Abel, and Moses splitting the Red Sea.

1273 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:28:46am

re: #1267 Shug

said the man in the beret , carrying the night stick

But they were just security.

1274 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:29:05am

re: #1271 FrogMarch

"...OF the masses"

1275 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:29:15am

Eid dinner at the White House will be the hottest ticket in town.
Not that Barack has ever been a Muslim. Colin Powell said that Barack has been Christian his whole llfe, so just forget what Barry wrote in his book.
When he wrote about Koran studies, he meant BIBLE studies, he just misspoke.

1276 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:29:20am

re: #1225 Occasional Reader

I recall reading somewhere in the past week that Bond has been more about future villains and threats than past history (narcoterrorism, international terrorists working outside the nation-state system threatening mass casualty attacks, etc.)

I'll have to find the link, but Casino Royale with Craig was an excellent flick. Gritty and more "realistic" than the other Bond flicks, which relied more on humor (especially during the Moore years) and gadgets - starting with Moore and running through until Pierce Brosnan.

1277 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:29:34am

re: #1256 HoosierHoops

Jorline!
It's almost lunch..what's the special today?
I need to make up my mind and get prepared..

Hey, Hoopster.

I posted my new special for the month yesterday.
Grilled Tuna with a Garlic/Dill sauce.
Walter told me he hates fish and would only eat tuna out of a can...lol

1278 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:30:06am

re: #1266 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' Froggie...how are you today?

~Scottie

I'm not bad, thanks. It's Friday and I have a lot of work to do and I'm not in the mood to do any of it.
How are you doing?

1279 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:30:42am

re: #1271 FrogMarch

Indeed. and it's not that conservatives should kick out the religious right - it's that the religious right needs to understand reality and stop pushing so hard. Politics is not a platform for the conversion the masses.


Excellent point.

1280 legalpad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:31:24am

re: #1271 FrogMarch

Indeed. and it's not that conservatives should kick out the religious right - it's that the religious right needs to understand reality and stop pushing so hard. Politics is not a platform for the conversion the masses.

Yes - If they could understand that they do have political goals, not to be confused with their religious goals, which should be confine to persuasion. John 18:36

1281 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:31:37am
1282 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:32:07am

re: #1275 opnion

Colin Powell said that Barack has been Christian his whole llfe, so just forget what Barry wrote in his book.

Obama also wrote that he was raised an agnostic and it was Michelle who first took him to Trinity United Church where Rev. Jeremiah Wright "introduced" him to his faith.

1283 3 wood  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:32:18am

re: #1263 eschew_obfuscation

Just curious...how would Keynes explain our very recent low inflation with low unemployment? (up until October).

As a short term anomaly due to changes in the real incomes.

To get that, you have to understand that Kenyesians don't see interest rates as being particularly important. They think most investment is autonomous, i.e., will happen regardless if interest rates.

Therefore, Keyens saw the key to everything as income level. And he saw government as the key to income.

Sound familiar?

1284 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:32:54am

re: #1236 yma o hyd

i heard something on the radio a few days ago abt. fossil evidence of a domestic dog found in a cave in europe, that predates the separation of dogs from wolves at much earlier than believed. some estimates put the earliest domestication of dogs at 12,000 yrs. ago. i think it was much earlier. maybe a situation where a group of wolves began to trail human tribes and broke of from true wild wolves who kept their distance. this could have created a breeding population that relied on humans. and eventually some came closer and closer to the human camp. and were actually domesticated as pet/work dogs. they are such social creatures. a natural for domestication by us.

1285 Golem Akbar  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:33:20am

re: #1272 Spare O'Lake

LOL. Heck, we Jews invented "schismatic" and "fratricidal".
- channeling the story of Cain and Abel, and Moses splitting the Red Sea.


And don't forget Korach wanting to take Moses' place as leader, because Moses was too busy and too overworked. Yeah, you're right, we're pretty good at it.

1286 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:33:53am

re: #1276 lawhawk

Casino Royale was a good Bond movie, but I will never sit comfortably on a wicker chair ever again.

1287 gregg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:34:24am

re: #1265 freedombilly

According to the USA Today I'm reading in my Best Western's breakfast area: "Hopes are High for Race Relations". Anyone getting along better with their neighbors?

I heard Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards are talking again.

/obscure NASCAR reference

1288 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:34:33am

re: #1278 FrogMarch

I'm not bad, thanks. It's Friday and I have a lot of work to do and I'm not in the mood to do any of it.
How are you doing?

Not too bad, though the past few days have left me all but speechless...your point about conversion is an excellent one. I've often thought that trying to use the conservative political party as a religious one was pointless. It should just be the party that promotes the greatest freedom, religious or otherwise, though I'm particularly fond of individual liberty...;>)

1289 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:34:38am

re: #1282 Kenneth

Obama also wrote that he was raised an agnostic and it was Michelle who first took him to Trinity United Church where Rev. Jeremiah Wright "introduced" him to his faith.


Obama has said a lot of things. He does write about taking Koranic Studies in Indonesia. That is actually advanced Islamic study for grade school.
I am not saying that the guy is a Muslim, just that he was.

1290 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:34:56am

Spencer is now giving hat tips to LGF2. What an idiot.

1291 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:35:56am

re: #1290 Killgore Trout

Spencer is now giving hat tips to LGF2. What an idiot.

NO! [self-deleted]

1292 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:36:04am

Gonna head to bed. Class tomorrow at 8 AM.

Cheers, and please tell Real to check his mail.

1293 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:36:07am

re: #1271 FrogMarch

Indeed. and it's not that conservatives should kick out the religious right - it's that the religious right needs to understand reality and stop pushing so hard. Politics is not a platform for the conversion the masses.

Amen! Stop praying for me if you think I am not religious enough.
I think I am and it is none of your business.

Said to my Nephew

1294 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:36:41am

re: #1227 Kenneth
Well I didn't know someone on LGF just lost someone near and dear to suicide and for that I feel greaty sympathy - who was it?
But I think you are being overly judgmental - I didn't know about that and I would venture to say that a LOT of LGFer's - maybe the overwhelming majority didn't know about it.

1295 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:36:45am

re: #1291 Sharmuta

NO! [self-deleted]

I feel ill...

1296 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:36:58am

re: #1287 gregg

Yes but what they are saying to each other can not be printed
in a family oriented paper.

1297 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:37:12am

re: #1295 scottishbuzzsaw

I feel ill...

I'm completely disgusted.

1298 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:37:27am

re: #1290 Killgore Trout

Spencer is now giving hat tips to LGF2. What an idiot.

Is that savage's hatin' on Charles site?

1299 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:37:30am

re: #1291 Sharmuta

He's only damaging his own credibility by highlighting such crappy illiterate blogs.

1300 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:37:50am

re: #1298 Alouette

Yeah.

1301 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:38:04am

re: #1299 Killgore Trout

He's only damaging his own credibility by highlighting such crappy illiterate blogs.

You would think he'd know better than to scratch those flea bites.

1302 marge45b  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:38:47am

re: #1232 DistantThunder

I choose to volunteer as a Girl Scout leader. Our girls volunteer to do community service. Not all do it, but I give them choices like donating food to a food bank or packing goodies for the Armed Services overseas. What Obama wants is so "Hitler Youth!" As a parent I will definitely be looking at home schooling. My difficulty is my kids have learning disabilities and the public school system provides them services they need. I probably can do it though a private school but I would be the one to transport from school to the OT or speech therapist. (They'll still get the services from the school district--IDEA federally funded). It is time for parents to take charge and not let the schools indocrinate our kids.

1303 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:39:51am

re: #1047 bellamags

Thank you ping. ; ) couldn't have put it better.
Its my party and I'll say bye bye if I want to!

You would cry too if it happened to you.

1304 marge45b  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:40:28am

re: #1281 Iron Fist
Obama will be tested and he'll fail "The Global Test" if John Kerry is his Sec. State.

1305 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:40:36am
1306 VioletTiger  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:41:10am

re: #1248 lurking faith


I apologize. Sincerely. My comment was inappropriate.

1307 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:41:39am

re: #1289 opnion

Religious studies was/is part of the regular curriculum at the school Obama attended in Indonesia. As his father & step-father were Muslim, Obama was automatically considered a Muslim under Indonesian law. He was registered as such on the school enrollment forms. He attended mosque at least occasionally and he recited the Shadahah, which also certifies that one is a Muslim. Under Sharia law, held to be true in every Muslim majority country in the world, Obama was a Muslim. It does not matter what he says today. Allah's law is the law. Furthermore, under Sharia, apostasy is illegal. Obama has declared he is a Christian. Therefore, to most Muslim he is an apostate Muslim.

Now that might actually have a positive effect! His example could inspire other Muslims to convert away from the faith.

1308 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:42:17am

re: #1271 FrogMarch
Well

Indeed. and it's not that conservatives should kick out the religious right - it's that the religious right needs to understand reality and stop pushing so hard. Politics is not a platform for the conversion the masses.

is about as good as it gets. Great post.
Thank you for it.

1309 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:42:59am

re: #1294 realwest

Mama Winger's step-brother took his own life two days ago.

1310 vxbush  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:43:43am

re: #1309 Kenneth

Mama Winger's step-brother took his own life two days ago.

Oh my gosh. Many prayers for Mama Winger and her family.

1311 jemima  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:43:53am

#1248

My friend put a black powder pistol in her mouth and blew off the back of her head. Just because Iris made a mistake that day, I'm not willing to stop laughing at the human condition.

1312 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:43:54am

re: #998 reine.de.tout

I'm thinking it's a typical pattern prior to hunting season & Christmas. My sis-in-law told me that her hubby went to a gun show and bought a new gun. No reason other than - he was at a gun show and saw a gun he wanted. And of course, Christmas is coming up, as you said.

They need to check out what's happened in previous years at this time of the year, rather than telling us that gun sales are up right now.

A friend who is a regular gun purchaser, said the gun store he shops at was "packed" last week in Florida- busier than he's ever seen it. All our friends are buying as much ammo as possible.

1313 lurking faith  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:44:12am

re: #1294 realwest

It doesn't matter. Losing someone to suicide is not something you ever really get over. When you're talking about real people, "let 'em jump" is never funny.

1314 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:44:35am

re: #1234 eschew_obfuscation

That argument makes no sense at all...

Is he really suggesting that conservatives should look to their ideological enemies as role models for their own actions?

I think the context provided by the remainder of your quote indicates otherwise, but this question certainly doesn't strengthen Thomas' argument.

His point was about the religious right's attempts to bring issues into national politics that should be fleshed out in their primary arena first. I don't believe he was suggesting we should use the left as our role model, merely we should live out the ideals we espouse before trying to mandate them on others.

An anecdote:

Back when the first Harry Potter movie was first in our local theaters, a group of women in our church planned to go and picket at the theater.

But just the day before in our local newspaper there was an article about the cold temperatures and how homeless people would be at risk of freezing to death if some actions weren't taken.

I asked these ladies a question: Why should you go and picket a movie based on a work of fiction when you could go downtown and hand out cups of warm soup and blankets to the folks living under the bridge? Which would show God's love more?

I got blank stares in return. They subsequently picketed. It made no difference to the Harry Potter ticket sales. But the difference they could have made if they had shown Christ's mercy to the homeless was lost.

Since then our church has experienced a shift in focus and would be under the bridge with soup and blankets. For that I am grateful.

1315 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:45:17am

O
SHIT!

My new bumper sticker...

1316 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:45:23am

re: #1309 Kenneth

Mama Winger's step-brother took his own life two days ago.

that poor family.
God Bless them

1317 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:45:42am

re: #1302 marge45b

I choose to volunteer as a Girl Scout leader. Our girls volunteer to do community service. Not all do it, but I give them choices like donating food to a food bank or packing goodies for the Armed Services overseas. What Obama wants is so "Hitler Youth!" As a parent I will definitely be looking at home schooling. My difficulty is my kids have learning disabilities and the public school system provides them services they need. I probably can do it though a private school but I would be the one to transport from school to the OT or speech therapist. (They'll still get the services from the school district--IDEA federally funded). It is time for parents to take charge and not let the schools indocrinate our kids.

Call the school board and give them a heads up that they will be losing your students if this goes through.

1318 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:45:49am

re: #1306 VioletTiger

That was very decent of you to apologize.

1319 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:45:51am

re: #1284 nyc redneck

i heard something on the radio a few days ago abt. fossil evidence of a domestic dog found in a cave in europe, that predates the separation of dogs from wolves at much earlier than believed. some estimates put the earliest domestication of dogs at 12,000 yrs. ago. i think it was much earlier. maybe a situation where a group of wolves began to trail human tribes and broke of from true wild wolves who kept their distance. this could have created a breeding population that relied on humans. and eventually some came closer and closer to the human camp. and were actually domesticated as pet/work dogs. they are such social creatures. a natural for domestication by us.

Interesting!
I recall an article a few years ago - probably in Nature - which used genetical analysis to show that dogs probably got domesticated in eastern asia, along the coast of what is now China and Siberia, and then migrated with migrating humans. apaprently the gens in question are not those of the grey wolf, but of this Asian species.

I'm sure that hunter-gatherers, who had by necessity got to be outstanding observers of their natural environment, must have seen how successful wolves were, hunting in packs.
And wolves, like all animals, must have seen that it was more efficient to let humans do the hunt and just scavenge the scraps - so following them was a good strategy.
So - they got together in the end.
As Konrad Lorenz describes it - perhaps a hunter picked up a wailing, lone pup, gave it to his child ... and the rest is history!

1320 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:46:12am

re: #1314 Intrepid

And God bless you for doing that.

1321 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:46:27am

re: #1283 3 wood

As a short term anomaly due to changes in the real incomes.

To get that, you have to understand that Kenyesians don't see interest rates as being particularly important. They think most investment is autonomous, i.e., will happen regardless if interest rates.

Therefore, Keyens saw the key to everything as income level. And he saw government as the key to income.

Sound familiar?

Boy does it! ...and I used to think I liked Keynes

1322 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:46:59am

re: #1290 Killgore Trout
and
re: #1291 Sharmuta

I say this with respect to each of you: since Charles has not seen fit to really go into any significant detail about his relationship with Robert Spencer, I'd think perhaps we should all cool it too.

1323 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:47:17am

re: #1307 Kenneth

You tread on dangerous ground - I get your point.
It all depends on how the fundamentalist Muslims view him a year from now.

1324 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:47:38am

re: #1282 Kenneth

Obama also wrote that he was raised an agnostic and it was Michelle who first took him to Trinity United Church where Rev. Jeremiah Wright "introduced" him to his faith.

Once again, like in the Garden of Eden, where Eve gave Adam the fruit to eat, its Michelle who gave Barry the 'introduction' . . .

1325 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:47:55am

re: #1322 realwest

If I'm asked to stop by our host, I will.

1326 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:48:14am

re: #1288 scottishbuzzsaw

Not too bad, though the past few days have left me all but speechless...your point about conversion is an excellent one. I've often thought that trying to use the conservative political party as a religious one was pointless. It should just be the party that promotes the greatest freedom, religious or otherwise, though I'm particularly fond of individual liberty...;>)

Indeed. Individual liberty is key. Without it, all the other stuff doesn't matter.
Elizabeth Dole's defeat really hit home why over-the-top religious zealotry doesn't fly.
I have nothing but respect for the religious people I know. Most of them are salt-of-the-earth folks. They are generous, compassionate, and they would give you the shirt of their back. I don't like it when good people are attacked and I don't like it when a few religious nuts make normal religious folks look bad.

1327 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:48:20am

re: #1277 jorline

Hey, Hoopster.

I posted my new special for the month yesterday.
Grilled Tuna with a Garlic/Dill sauce.
Walter told me he hates fish and would only eat tuna out of a can...lol

Hiya, Jorline!
Walter doesn't know what he's missing, does he?
Fresh tuna is a world away from tuna in a can.

1328 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:48:35am

re: #1307 Kenneth

Religious studies was/is part of the regular curriculum at the school Obama attended in Indonesia. As his father & step-father were Muslim, Obama was automatically considered a Muslim under Indonesian law. He was registered as such on the school enrollment forms. He attended mosque at least occasionally and he recited the Shadahah, which also certifies that one is a Muslim. Under Sharia law, held to be true in every Muslim majority country in the world, Obama was a Muslim. It does not matter what he says today. Allah's law is the law. Furthermore, under Sharia, apostasy is illegal. Obama has declared he is a Christian. Therefore, to most Muslim he is an apostate Muslim.

Now that might actually have a positive effect! His example could inspire other Muslims to convert away from the faith.

I think that when obama returned to Hawaii religion including Islam was not very important.
When he got to Chicago & got the lay of the land, Trinity Church semmed like a good move. A lot of movers & shakers in African American Society are members, plus I think that the racist & Anti-American nature of Trinity appealed to the Obamas.
When Barack determined that he had bigger plans than Black Society Trinity became a real uncomfortable part of his history.

1329 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:48:43am

What's LGF2?

I'm so behind the times...

1330 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:48:59am

re: #1319 yma o hyd

Interesting!
I recall an article a few years ago - probably in Nature - which used genetical analysis to show that dogs probably got domesticated in eastern asia, along the coast of what is now China and Siberia, and then migrated with migrating humans. apaprently the gens in question are not those of the grey wolf, but of this Asian species.

I'm sure that hunter-gatherers, who had by necessity got to be outstanding observers of their natural environment, must have seen how successful wolves were, hunting in packs.
And wolves, like all animals, must have seen that it was more efficient to let humans do the hunt and just scavenge the scraps - so following them was a good strategy.
So - they got together in the end.
As Konrad Lorenz describes it - perhaps a hunter picked up a wailing, lone pup, gave it to his child ... and the rest is history!

yes, seems so appropriate and inevitable. lucky us.

1331 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:49:19am

re: #1308 realwest

Thank you, real. :-)

1332 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:49:33am

re: #1248 lurking faith

Clearly you don't know anyone who has tried to commit suicide (much less succeeded). Lucky you.

The rest of my response to your comment is self-deleted.

. . . , my sympathies to you. My family, also, dealt with the sorrow/confusion of suicide . . .

1333 lurking faith  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:03am

re: #1306 VioletTiger

Thanks; I appreciate it very much.

/long time ago now, but...

1334 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:04am

re: #1327 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Jorline!
Walter doesn't know what he's missing, does he?
Fresh tuna is a world away from tuna in a can.

I know exactly what I'm missing. It's fish, period. End of topic. I can't stand fish. I like turkey spaghetti.

1335 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:04am

re: #1241 realwest

Oh good! I've always wanted to be an "Enemy of the State" - life's so much easier that way, ya know. Just like the Dems over the past 8 years, you don't have to propose anything POSITIVE just express hatred for what's going on!
BTW, I still like the idea of sticking it to the Elites by redistribuing wealth based on Net Worth, not income!
Let's see 'em all line up to follow Obama when they lose their mansions, lose their five or six extra vehicles, lose the maids, secretaries, chauffers and the like. No longer own a little piece of this restaurant, this independent movie studio, and the like.
Yup - HEY PRESIDENT OBAMA - If you REALLY want to redistribute the wealth in this country, do it on the basis of NET WORTH - ya know, anyone with a NET WORTH of say A million bucks plus, has to give up everything over that million bucks!

Net worth of a million bucks? Yeah, let's stick it to the rich!

Net worth of 3/4 million bucks? Yeah, let's stick it to the rich!

Net worth of 1/2 million bucks? Erm, ahhh, wait a minute fellows, that smacks of socialism, that does. Wouldn't be prudent.

1336 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:38am

re: #1290 Killgore Trout

Spencer is now giving hat tips to LGF2. What an idiot.

What? I checked that place out the other day when someone posted the link, and all they do is snip about Charles' heels like a little puppy. They make no real points, have no real discussions. They can't even come up with original material, only parrot the threads here.

That's like giving credence to the three-headed alien Elvis baby articles in supermarket tabloid rags.

1337 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:44am

re: #1323 LindaMarie

I think the fundamentalists will hate him. I don't buy the "stealth Muslim" conspiracy theory.

1338 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:50:54am

re: #1333 lurking faith

Thanks; I appreciate it very much.

/long time ago now, but...

. . . . , long time ago now, but it still hurts

1339 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:51:23am

re: #1314 Intrepid

Oh my!
That just illustrates perfectly how lethal (and I use this word on purpose) this type of 'Christians' can be. I'd call them Pharisees ...
I'm glad your church has turned this around - probably with much hard work!

1340 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:51:49am

re: #1329 J.D.

It's a stalker site run by a couple of bitter ex-lizards.

1341 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:52:03am

re: #1329 J.D.

What's LGF2?

I'm so behind the times...

Whew! I'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't know. :)

1342 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:52:07am

re: #1313 lurking faith

It doesn't matter. Losing someone to suicide is not something you ever really get over. When you're talking about real people, "let 'em jump" is never funny.

If they're serious about committing suicide, they'll find a way. But that is no reason to stand on the ground screaming, "jump".

1343 lifeofthemind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:52:10am

Had reason to look at the WNBC TV web site in NY. It has links to stories that turn out to be Gawker commentary pages and there is a link to one story about how people are stocking up on guns that is garaunteed to drive the local NYC audience crazy with fear of fascist militias. Look it up and enjoy the comments.

1344 notutopia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:52:25am

re: #1241 realwest

Good Morning Realwest. Respectably, I disagree with this net worth idea.
My husband and I are VERY hardworking Americans, and we both hail from multi generational Hardworking Americans, who have NOT squandered our
family's heritage and wealth of workable Farm LAND which (by the way) is not a renewable commodity here. Families like ours, that have not sold our souls out to the government in terms of agricultural economic initiatives, have done so on their OWN dime all these many years. We don't borrow or lend, WE produce ! Now do you want to punish me and my ancestors for 250 plus years of our hard work? There are many like me out here in NC realwest.
I want to be able to pass this legacy on to my nieces and nephews! Not have a Obama administration come here and take my FARM away to redistribute to others less fortunate or Tax us till we are forced to sell it off. This is EXACTLY what happened in the GREAT DEPRESSION. We lost 100's of acres in order to pay the damned TAXES! Please revisit this idea Realwest.

1345 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:52:53am

re: #1340 Killgore Trout

It's a stalker site run by a couple of bitter ex-lizards.

Oh.
Another one.
Hmmm...

1346 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:53:40am

re: #1336 Intrepid

At least GoV and Atlas are literate. The LGF2 guys don't even write in complete sentences.

1347 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:54:17am

re: #1309 Kenneth
I'm terribly sorry to hear that news Kenneth, but what I said still goes - I'd venture a guess that the overwhelming majority of LGFer's didn't know that until now.

1348 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:54:24am

re: #1327 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Jorline!
Walter doesn't know what he's missing, does he?
Fresh tuna is a world away from tuna in a can.

Yes ma'am...Nothing like rare seared tuna.

I told him you already tried my tilapia, but he hates fish.

1349 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:54:46am

re: #1341 Texas Heathen

Whew! I'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't know. :)

Me, too! LOL!

1350 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:54:53am

re: #1346 Killgore Trout

At least GoV and Atlas are literate. The LGF2 guys don't even write in complete sentences.

Who are the ex-lizards running the blog?

1351 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:55:04am

re: #1346 Killgore Trout

They don't even have enough commenters of their own- they used nic-jacked sock puppets!

1352 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:55:14am

re: #1340 Killgore Trout

It's a stalker site run by a couple of bitter ex-lizards.

I just looked it up and viewed it for a few minutes.

what a Small little sandbox they have there.
A couple of kids digging up cat turds. nothing else. Not worth my time.

I won't be back.

1353 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:55:45am

re: #1347 realwest

I definitely did not know that. My sincerest sympahy and apologies.

1354 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:09am

re: #1311 jemima

#1248

My friend put a black powder pistol in her mouth and blew off the back of her head. Just because Iris made a mistake that day, I'm not willing to stop laughing at the human condition.

It brings on many changes.

1355 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:09am

Killgore Trout


Now play nice - or if not - at least refrain from starting vague rumors just to see what happens. Pretty soon I will think you tortured animals in your youth if you keep it up.

1356 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:14am

re: #1286 Kenneth

That was an extremely uncomfortable scene, though Bond did handle it with his typical cheeky aplomb.

1357 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:22am

re: #1348 jorline

he hates fish.


Blasphemy!

1358 lurking faith  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:37am

re: #1338 outsidephilly

. . . . , long time ago now, but it still hurts


Exactly. My sympathies to you, too.

I think IHTGBTWN.

1359 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:52am

re: #1313 lurking faith
Respectfully some of us have lost close friends to suicide; Me included and I still thought that was a funny line - it was clearly NOT MEANT to encourage or approve of suicide.

1360 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:56:54am

re: #1355 LindaMarie

Where did Killgore start a vague rumor?

1361 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:57:05am

re: #1339 yma o hyd

Oh my!
That just illustrates perfectly how lethal (and I use this word on purpose) this type of 'Christians' can be. I'd call them Pharisees ...
I'm glad your church has turned this around - probably with much hard work!

Pharisees indeed...so focused on obtaining political power (which does, in fact, corrupt the message) or societal control that there lives in no way reflect their beliefs...

1362 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:57:30am

Something by Jonah Goldberg ... - quite uplifting, in a way ...

1363 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:57:31am

re: #1357 Killgore Trout

Blasphemy!

Maybe he'll eat trout in a can.

1364 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:57:47am

re: #1358 lurking faith

Exactly. My sympathies to you, too.

I think IHTGBTWN.

thank you

1365 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:57:49am

re: #1350 VegasRick

It's Savage Nation (banned for violent threats) and some guy named Rodan (who I don't remember).

1366 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:58:01am

re: #1363 jorline

Maybe he'll eat trout in a can.

Chickenhawk of the sea

/

1367 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:58:13am

re: #1328 opnion

Obama's first book is all about being an outsider and finding his true identity. He is African-American, but not like most other African-Americans. He wrote that when he first went to Wright's TUC, he felt like he "came home" for the first time. Which is significant, because the overt racial ideology of Black Liberation Theology is not mainstream in African-American churches. Martin Luther King Jr. did not preach BLT. Trinity United Church has been described by a black Baptist preacher as a club for upwardly mobile African-Americans to feel "Blacker-than-thou" by adopting phony African Consciousness postures.

1368 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:58:29am

re: #1363 jorline

Heh.

1369 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:58:29am

re: #1365 Killgore Trout

It's Savage Nation (banned for violent threats) and some guy named Rodan (who I don't remember).


savage nation needs psychiatric help.

seriously

1370 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:58:48am

re: #1365 Killgore Trout

It's Savage Nation (banned for violent threats) and some guy named Rodan (who I don't remember).

I thought savage would have imploded by now.

1371 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:01am

re: #1290 Killgore Trout

Spencer is now giving hat tips to LGF2. What an idiot.

I was over there this morning, reading most of the recent thread about VB/Charles/Nazi's etc.

There is some really strange disconnect going on here. There are JW users who have posted TODAY, on the thread, that there are racist/nationalist problems with VB (and other such groups), yet it's not a enough of a problem for them. There are other JW users that flat out admit that IT IS A PROBLEM.

Yes Spencer's answer to these posts is he says he is looking in VB and these claims that have appeared.

This is not a new topic. Charles has been over this many times, and the blog world is well aware of the poop that has hit the fan in the past.

Spencer is being coy, he knows what the problem is, proof is staring him in the face, all over numerous blogs. For some reason these folks just can't draw a line in the sand with these European nationalist groups. Good luck with that, Spencer.

1372 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:05am

re: #1355 LindaMarie

Was I vague about something?

1373 jorline  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:08am

re: #1368 Killgore Trout

Heh.

;)

1374 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:09am

re: #1359 realwest

Respectfully some of us have lost close friends to suicide; Me included and I still thought that was a funny line - it was clearly NOT MEANT to encourage or approve of suicide.

I appreciate your sentiments, thanks!

1375 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:29am

re: #1370 VegasRick

I thought savage would have imploded by now.

Nope- instead he's getting promoted by robert spencer!

1376 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 8:59:34am

re: #1351 Sharmuta

They don't even have enough commenters of their own- they used nic-jacked sock puppets!

BAND NAME!

"LLLADIES AAAND GENTLEMEN! NOW, LIVE AND IN CONCERT...

NIC JACKED SOCK PUPPETS!"

1377 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:08am

re: #1371 Walter L. Newton

Damn! I don't even speaka the language any more...

1378 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:21am

re: #1357 Killgore Trout

Blasphemy!

Fine, fuck you, go ahead, ban me, I know you have the power. You toady.

/:)

1379 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:21am

re: #1335 razorbacker
Yeah, well pick whatever level you see fit; it would VERY QUICKLY eliminate the "Elities" from supporting the redistribution of wealth bullshit - all of those I've -got-mine- screw- you types.

1380 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:29am

re: #1346 Killgore Trout

At least GoV and Atlas are literate. The LGF2 guys don't even write in complete sentences.

More insults please, and watch out for splitting infinitives there, sport!

1381 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:30am

Just when life is bleak, someone always has a "mishap" with a vegetable...Pototo up bum

1382 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:36am

re: #1377 J.D.

Damn! I don't even speaka the language any more...

como esta?

1383 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:37am

re: #1375 Sharmuta

Nope- instead he's getting promoted by robert spencer!

Thats weird.

1384 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:39am

re: #1378 Walter L. Newton

Ha!

1385 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:00:53am

re: #1371 Walter L. Newton

This has been going on for over a year. He knows damn good and well what the issues are. Coy, indeed.

1386 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:01:37am

re: #1361 scottishbuzzsaw

Pharisees indeed...so focused on obtaining political power (which does, in fact, corrupt the message) or societal control that there lives in no way reflect their beliefs...

Yes - its very easy to fall into this trap. Makes one feel somewhat superior, and has given Christians all over the world a bad name.

How are you today, {scottie}?

1387 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:01:48am

re: #1383 VegasRick

Thats weird.

I was using more... colorful language in my head.

1388 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:01:54am

re: #1377 J.D.

Damn! I don't even speaka the language any more...

I don't understand you comment on my post?

1389 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:03:05am

re: #1382 outsidephilly

como esta?

Okey dokey.
[I hear that a lot when I'm not understood. It's very telling in that regard...]

1390 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:03:42am

re: #1387 Sharmuta

I was using more... colorful language in my head.

I have been known to to use more colorful language in my POSTS!

1391 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:03:47am

re: #1314 Intrepid

Back when the first Harry Potter movie was first in our local theaters, a group of women in our church planned to go and picket at the theater.

The Harry Potter books are extremely popular with Orthodox Jewish kids in America and in Israel, by the way. The rabbis say it's ok.

The stories are fantasy (not reality) but the main storyline is good versus evil. Harry Potter is a very good person, but not a perfect person (sometimes he gets into long bouts of angry moods and loses his temper with his friends, for example.) No one is perfect, but he's definitely good at heart.

The books have no swearing or sexual content (besides puppy love and a kiss here or there when Harry and his friends get older.)

The kids get to root for Harry and his friends who are threatened by a very evil guy whose followers submit to the evil guy but often end up being brutalized by him. The evil guy has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

When the seventh Harry Potter book was released all over the world on a Friday night (including in Israel), the rabbis set it up so that Orthodox Jewish children could pay for the book ahead of time and walk to non-Jewish stores in Jerusalem to pick it up on the Sabbath during daylight hours (on Saturday.)

Carrying money or buying things with money of any kind is not allowed on the Sabbath so they were able to get the books by paying ahead of time to the store that sold them. The stores were Arab stores (who made some good money on this day.) Not a problem for anyone.

Some Jewish stores in Tel Aviv carried the book on the Sabbath for secular children and I believe they were fined for it by laws against working on the Sabbath in this way, but the money they took in was larger than the fines so the stores didn't worry about it. These stores were run by secular Jews.

I know so many Orthodox Jewish children who read the books that I bought the complete audio series (all 7 books) and listened to them so that I could talk to the kids about them. They're good stories!

Again, the magical stuff is all fantasy and not reality, so Orthodox Jewish rabbis don't object. The religious Jewish kids get the fact that it's mostly a story about good and evil (which fits into Judaism.)

The story reminds me of someone going after Osama bin Laden for 7 years (since each book is a year in the life of Harry Potter.) There are truly evil people in the world with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

1392 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:04:30am

re: #1388 Walter L. Newton

I don't understand you comment on my post?

VB ?
Is JW Jihadwatch? I'm just guessing here...

1393 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:04:32am

re: #1359 realwest

Thanks for your support realwest.
My comment was aimed at the absurd cost of the nets. I'm sure someone could design,test and install the nets for under 10mil. Actually I would think that preventing the jumper in the first place would be a better plan. Fencing or something so that people can not get into an area where they could jump from.

1394 LindaMarie  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:04:53am

re: #1344 notutopia

I think he forgot the sarc tag.
It read as sarcastic to me not advocating.
Good for you and your family, you are what makes America free and special.

1395 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:05:13am

re: #1391 Adina in Judea

I love the Harry Potter books, and have now come to see them as a great analogy to european ethnic fascism.

1396 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:06:52am

re: #1386 yma o hyd

How are you today, {scottie}?

Doing well, hon...how about you? I enjoyed your 'dog behavior' comments. My pup just turned 15 and he still does the play bow with the Alpha-male of our little pack, plus the submissive roll onto the back, and a quirky little habit of nipping the Big Dog's (my husband's, that is) ear when they're playing. Sweetest creature on earth, that pound puppy...

1397 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:06:59am

re: #1381 Big Steve

"It was a million to one shot, doc"
/seinfeld

1398 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:07:02am

re: #1347 realwest

Suicide is still an unfunny topic to make "let 'em jump" jokes about. Last May my ex-wife attempted to jump from a bridge. The police knocked on my door at midnight to inform me they had picked her up. A week later, my daughter "M" was hospitalized for "suicidal ideation" after she cut herself. Suicide is a complex & widely misunderstood problem. People don't really want to die. This is the best book on the topic I've ever read, Night Falls Fast

VioletTiger had the good decency to apologize for his remark. I think we should learn from this and move on.

1399 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:07:08am

re: #1359 realwest

Respectfully some of us have lost close friends to suicide; Me included and I still thought that was a funny line - it was clearly NOT MEANT to encourage or approve of suicide.


I took the whole thing as a comment on SF politics & these people as part of it, not serious cheerleading to jump.

1400 OldLineTexan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:07:40am

re: #1395 Sharmuta

I love the Harry Potter books, and have now come to see them as a great analogy to european ethnic fascism.

Excellent point; don't even need European.

The books are fantastic, I read them all with my (now) eleven year old daughter. I have had very civil conversations with those at my church that were opposed to them, but some people lose it at the mention of "witch".

1401 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:07:44am

re: #1385 Sharmuta

This has been going on for over a year. He knows damn good and well what the issues are. Coy, indeed.

That's my point. Maybe I'm too black and white. I have personal baggage with being excluded because of who I am, in my case I was the little fat boy for most of my life (until just a few years ago).

Yea, that's not like being Jewish in the 30's and that's not like being black in the south in the 1900's.

But, the bottom line, it's the same hate that motivates other people to not except someone because of a prejudice against that person.

The feelings I know.

So, I'm black and white about these kind of issues. No, I don't want no note with you if there is proof that you are anti-Semetic, anti-black, anti-anything due to a prejudice.

The is NO lack of info about this issue. It's been hashed over and over for more than a year now.

I question someone like Spencer if he can't see this.

1402 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:08:01am

re: #1398 Kenneth

I didn't know that. I'm so sorry. But I agree with you- it's not a joking matter.

1403 jill e  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:08:24am

The Decency of George Bush

Michael Gerson:

Many liberals refuse to concede Bush’s humanity, much less his achievements.

But that humanity is precisely what I will remember. I have seen President Bush show more loyalty than he has been given, more generosity than he has received. I have seen his buoyancy under the weight of malice and his forgiveness of faithless friends. Again and again, I have seen the natural tug of his pride swiftly overcome by a deeper decency — a decency that is privately engaging and publicly consequential.

[In 2005]…the White House senior staff overwhelmingly opposed a new initiative to fight malaria in Africa for reasons of cost and ideology…In the crucial policy meeting, one person supported it: the president of the United States, shutting off debate with a moral certitude that others have criticized. I saw how this moral framework led him to an immediate identification with the dying African child, the Chinese dissident, the Sudanese former slave, the Burmese women’s advocate. It is one reason I will never be cynical about government — or about President Bush.

1404 notutopia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:08:43am

re: #1371 Walter L. Newton

And as a result of not having that discretionary ability to draw a line for their freedoms, they will lose them! PR correctness gone awry? No, just ignorant, naive and in denial.
Proves once again, you can have all the intellect in above levels, like Spencer, and yet he cannot publicly show where he DRAWS his line. Worse, yet he's got to kick sand in others eyes, to defend his site. It's easier to convince someone who can't see!

1405 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:08:45am

Limbaugh is on.

What will he use for material since there are no new LGF posts yet?

1406 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:08:50am

How odd, even at home on Firefox, I still cannot see the avatars.

1407 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:09:16am

re: #1406 rightside

Because Charles turned them off

1408 Pyrocles  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:09:40am

Jim Dale's performance of the Harry Potter audio books is fantastic!

re: #1391 Adina in Judea

1409 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:09:45am

re: #1401 Walter L. Newton

I'm with you.

1410 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:09:50am

lunch break over . . . , BBL

1411 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:00am

re: #1356 lawhawk

LOL! My wife has got the hots for Daniel Craig & is looking forward to seeing Solace of Comfort. I asked if she was hoping to see him bound naked to a chair again. She smiled and said, "chair, tree, cage... whatever, it's all good".

1412 Shug  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:06am

re: #1406 rightside

How odd, even at home on Firefox, I still cannot see the avatars.


Can you see mine ? It's a green football

1413 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:27am

re: #1398 Kenneth

Suicide is still an unfunny topic to make "let 'em jump" jokes about. Last May my ex-wife attempted to jump from a bridge. The police knocked on my door at midnight to inform me they had picked her up. A week later, my daughter "M" was hospitalized for "suicidal ideation" after she cut herself. Suicide is a complex & widely misunderstood problem. People don't really want to die. This is the best book on the topic I've ever read, Night Falls Fast

VioletTiger had the good decency to apologize for his remark. I think we should learn from this and move on.

My sympathies, Kenneth...my mother attempted suicide several times...

1414 Pete-billy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:40am

re: #1405 Shug

Limbaugh is on.

What will he use for material since there are no new LGF posts yet?

yeees it's Rush time now! I like Rush he speak the truth!

1415 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:45am
1416 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:46am

re: #1344 notutopia
You make some truly excellent points. MY POINT was that if that were the tact Obama would take in his redisribute the wealth horseshit, it would NEVER HAPPPEN. Not on the basis of Net Worth, not on the basis of income. It's too easy for folks sitting in their fucking $1,000,000 manisons with the stainless steel appliances and granite counter tops and 4,000+ square feet, near the lake where their 38' boat is docked to say "sure redistribute the wealth and impose higher INCOME taxes on those of us who have to REPORT that income; hell we have two houses, the boat, the Beemer and the Lexus and the Hummer for when we get our 3" of snow each year; we are already well set up. SO GO AHEAD AND STICK IT TO THOSE POOR HARD WORKING SCHMUCKS WHO WANT TO LIVE OUR LIFESTYLE."
There'd be NO redistribution of wealth in our country if that net worth test were imposed instead of how much money you make working 70+ hours a week.

1417 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:49am

re: #1407 Sharmuta

Ahh, thanks! Earlier upthread, people were complimenting others on theirs.

1418 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:54am

re: #1403 jill e

That's a great article. Thanks.

1419 LGoPs  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:10:58am

re: #67 ThingFish

Rightwinger,
I'm not in Europe. I'm normally in Japan. I happen to be currently in the US on vacation and suffering from jetlag. But to add to your comment. While in the Tokyo/Narita airport I saw a newsreport of Japanese celebrating the victory of Obama. The location was a little town named "Obama" so I'm sure of that... (they are so superficial sometimes.). So I think there may be pockets of people worldwide pulling for Obama. But I doubt it is as widespread as it will
inevitably be reported.

Never been there but unless I'm mistaken, Japan is one of the most homogeneous societies on the planet...doesn't seem they have much to say on the matter

1420 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:11:04am
1421 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:11:13am

re: #1391 Adina in Judea

Harry Potter books have great moral lessons for kids and adults alike. Those who seek to ban them because they're set in a world of magic are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Some of the best examples of good vs evil, loyalty, friendship, hard work, resourcefulness, family, having money doesn't make one good/happy, sacrifice for the protection of others, etc...

Powerful lessons.

1422 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:12:30am

re: #1399 opnion

I took the whole thing as a comment on SF politics & these people as part of it, not serious cheerleading to jump.

As did I. But indeed I used suicide as a reference, and that's insensitive.

1423 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:12:36am

re: #1395 Sharmuta

I love the Harry Potter books, and have now come to see them as a great analogy to european ethnic fascism.

When my sons were little we picked up the first Harry Potter book somehow before it became wildly popular. In those days I read the book out loud to them, about a chapter a night. We ended up doing all seven that way including the last one, even though my sons were teenagers and one was even driving. When the last one came out I plead my case for them to read it themselves but they insisted that family tradition prevailed. So aside what anyone thinks of those books, I will go to my grave with the fondest of memories of reading those books out-loud.

1424 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:13:29am

Vlaams Belang=VB? Still guessing...

1425 Intifan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:14:04am

re: #1405 Shug

Limbaugh is on.

What will he use for material since there are no new LGF posts yet?

Ha, I've been wondering that myself. Don't get me wrong though, I do like Rush.

1426 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:14:39am

On this Spencer thing.

There was one poster who made a comment about Churchill being pro-white or something like that and the implication was that even great leaders like Churchill have their prejudices.

Well, what kind of sick assed reasoning is that. And Spencer doesn't even COMMENT ABOUT IT.

Shit, he's got a boatload of comments that he posted HIMSELF, thanking those who patted him on his back.

Then, how come he MISSED commenting on a post like that? I guess shit happens.

1427 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #1420 buzzsawmonkey

I've read each one at least twice, if not more. The more I re-read them, the more the ethnic nationalism jumps out at me with the mud-blood/pure-blood aspect, the total lust for power of Voldemort, the manipulations of the media and existing power structure. Regardless of how I see them, they're incredibly entertaining for folks of all ages, and I wish they didn't have certain groups coming down on them.

1428 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:15:10am

Those pesky nazis...
UK police: man charged with having IEDs, Nazi book

British police charged a 43-year-old man Thursday with plotting an act of terrorism and having two improvised explosive devices, chemicals, timers, and a Nazi-themed handbook.

Neil Christopher Lewington was first arrested last week after police discovered a suspected explosive device when they searched him at a railway station in Lowestoft, a coastal city in eastern England.

He was originally charged with possessing an item to cause criminal damage and was released on bail Saturday. But he was immediately re-arrested by Scotland Yard.

Scotland Yard said in a statement that Lewington carried two improvised explosive devices to Lowestoft from Reading, a city near London where he lives, on Oct. 30. It said Lewington was being charged with making or having an explosive substance intended to "to endanger life, or cause serious injury to property in the U.K."

The police statement said Lewington had four containers of weed killer, seven timers, three tennis balls, fire lighters, and a book entitled: "Waffen SS U.K. Members Handbook." The statement said he also had drawings and notes "of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism."

Wanna bet he's a BNP supporter?

1429 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:15:51am

re: #1426 Walter L. Newton

Why indeed, Walter. Why, indeed.

1430 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:16:21am

re: #1393 Texas Heathen
That's actually how I took your comment - how absurd to put up nets - those who intend to do so will simply find another way - the money spent on those stupid nets could certainly be better spent trying to
solve the depression folks get into which leads them to committ suicide.

1431 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:16:26am

re: #1424 J.D.

Vlaams Belang=VB? Still guessing...

Yes, yes, I missed your comment. JW = Jihadwatch. BLT = bacon, lettuce and tomato.

1432 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:16:30am

re: #1391 Adina in Judea


The books have no swearing ...

Merlin's Beard!...

1433 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:16:52am

re: #1416 realwest

True about the truly wealthy avoiding taxes. The middle class will still get hit. And higher taxes are only part of Obama's methods for redistribution of wealth. His policies will also make it more difficult for hard working people to make money, while his gov't programs will subsidize unproductive sectors of the economy.

1434 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:17:18am

re: #1391 Adina in Judea

I liked these books so much, that I had to buy 2 copies of each new book - one for my daughter, one for me, so we wouldn't fight over whose turn it was!

1435 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:17:27am

re: #1431 Walter L. Newton

Yes, yes, I missed your comment. JW = Jihadwatch. BLT = bacon, lettuce and tomato.

ok

1436 rightside  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:18:14am

Sharp Elbows? The new meme for the drive-bys.

Just like "gravitas"

1437 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:18:37am
1438 aggieann  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #983 leftover54

Fox just did a blurb on gun sales. Up 10% in some places (since the election)
then mentioned Barrys statement about favoring a ban on certain guns.
Is 10% a typical increase in rifle sales every year just prior to deer season ?
Fox guy first said something like "they're flying off the shelves". Is 10% increase that significant ? I'm thankful for having Fox as an alternative but I want the news not reactionary spin. Not saying they're doing this but I'd like to know if this is truly an uptick in sales relative to the new Obamacy or is this a typical pattern just prior to hunting season/Christmas ?
They just left me hanging...

Demand/sales are significantly higher than just before the typical hunting season. My DH is a licensed firearms dealer, and he says vendors and distributors simply don't have any merchandise to sell because demand is so high. He's been getting lots of calls from prospective clients, but he has no guns to sell.

1439 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:18:44am

re: #1431 Walter L. Newton

Yes, yes, I missed your comment. JW = Jihadwatch. BLT = bacon, lettuce and tomato.

PB&J = peanut butter & jelly (a sandwich to re-distribute, accordingly)

1440 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:19:14am

#1163 and earlier Frogmarch
excerpt from article link: "Which gives Obama an opportunity. Within six months, Pelosi and Reid will be pushing the "Fairness" Doctrine. There will be legislation to ban scary-looking weapons. More than a few unbalanced people in Congress will demand that Bush be "tried for war crimes." Why would Obama waste political capital on this nonsense and risk firing up disheartened Republicans? Unlike Pelosi, Obama isn't stupid. 1994 will be on the back of his mind. Pelosi and Reid are different. They are cocksure right now and will overreach. Obama will slap them down, gaining political capital from the right and solidifying his "moderate" image."

Obama will not allow sudden or drastic change until he is ready. He will pick his battles. He will woo conservatives with actions that he fully intended anyway as part of his strategy. He he will "reign in" Pelosi, Reid, others may EVEN reign them in on the Union Secret Ballot thing. He is going to apply law number 45, of the 48 Laws of Power, bolstered with 3, 31, 35, 43. Look them up. Learn them. Watch. Our LGF poster who pointed this out has truly divined how to predict this guy.

We have to get smart and get tough and get to work. What is Step ONE?
and--he already acts like a king, btw, one media drone accidentally

1441 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:19:19am
1442 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:19:25am

re: #1399 opnion
Yes, I certainly never read it as "cheerleading" anyone to do such a thing, just laughing at what governmental entities think is the answer to such complex problems: put up a net.
Idiots.

1443 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #1379 realwest

Yeah, well pick whatever level you see fit; it would VERY QUICKLY eliminate the "Elities" from supporting the redistribution of wealth bullshit - all of those I've -got-mine- screw- you types.

My point, evidently poorly made, is that whatever dollar figure that you pick there will soon enough be pressure to rachet that figure downward. And once you've taken that first step you find the next step not so scary.

Until, eventually, you're simply at the first dollar of net worth.

1444 bellamags  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:20:42am

re: #1303 Spare O'Lake

Hey. I should probably tell you more (i just found out myself). Regarding the college kids and the party: These kids were labeled as racist at their school (this is in the south) because they were for McCain. Treated terribly. Anyway, their "friends" they dis-invited were poli-sci majors and wanted to start trouble.

1445 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:21:20am

re: #1395 Sharmuta

re: #1391 Adina in Judea

I love the Harry Potter books, and have now come to see them as a great analogy to european ethnic fascism.

I see the books as being against fascism, too, especially Islamofascism.

One of the significant things is that Lord Voldemort (the evil guy, for those who don't know the series) brutalizes and sometimes kills his own faithful followers at times for his own ends. Fascism can be brutal and deadly even to those who are on the same side.

Also, Lord Voldemort aspires to the murders of children, which is something Osama bin Laden has also done. OBL's 9/11 skydevil minions murdered quite a few children on that day and Osama bin Laden himself has said that he has the right to kill a million children in the U.S. as part of his war against the infidels.

There are people in the Harry Potter books who think it's ridiculous for children to worry about being killed, but Harry Potter and his friends know that they're targets (especially Harry.)

The Ministry of Magic acts for a long time as if the threat of Lord Voldemort's reappearance is a lie or a silly accusation. They seem like liberals who think it's "fear mongering" to worry about people being attacked by those who intend to kill innocents including children.

Eventually, the 'liberals' in the story figure out that Lord Voldemort really has returned and that everyone is in danger, but the evil guy has already achieved a tremendous advantage by then via all their previous doubts and inattention to danger.

It's a thrilling story with a truly bad opponent. Those who follow the evil guy sometimes end up horribly brutalized or killed by him. Talk about buyer's remorse for following a bad path.

I think the story has a lot to offer about modern times.

1446 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:22:12am

re: #1405 Shug ROTFL! Actually Charles just put one (new thread) up but I don't think it'll give Rush any material to use.

1447 Joan  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:22:36am

PIMF: one media drone accidentally said, "Obama's rule begins...blah blah"

One of the 48 is to act like a king. He does.

1448 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:22:44am

re: #1422 Bumr50

As did I. But indeed I used suicide as a reference, and that's insensitive.


Yeah, but that was the subject matter. It appeared to be only a joke with no serious intent.

1449 SteveC  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:23:50am

re: #1339 yma o hyd

Oh my!
That just illustrates perfectly how lethal (and I use this word on purpose) this type of 'Christians' can be.

Christianity is a strange thing, we like to shoot the wounded. For the life of me, I've never figured that out.

When I was in college the church I attended was within a block of a major hospital. Become involved in outreach to the Cancer wing? Why? Those people are... well they're sick. It might be contagious!

Change churches, Tom Cullen did. Laws, yes.

1450 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:24:10am

re: #1445 Adina in Judea

I don't read it that way. The kids are the same race, same culture. But the Dark Lord is a blood nazi.

1451 fish  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:24:44am

I had never heard of LGF2 before today. So I went and Checked it out. The first topic I noticed was a rant about how Charles is a leftist anti-religion type and that he strikes down those who oppose him.

First: I am deeply religious and even though I know many here do not share my beliefs, I have never felt unwelcome.

Second: Charles as a leftist is laughable. I do not pretend to know where he stands on all issues but I have gotten the strong feeling he leans very far away from the MArxist, Stalinist Ideals of the true leftist.

Third: If he really could strike down those who oppose him that would be cool to see.

1452 notutopia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:24:55am

re: #1394 LindaMarie

There are several other families here in the piedmont and coastal plains that are wondering right now, What incentive is there to feeding the American masses when the government is busily supporting the Mega conglomerations of SOCIALIZED agriculture practices here in our country. All it has managed to do is "price fix" commodities of consumables on the stock market. Corps like Con Agra.
Just for grins, here is a social test. Everyone go to your cupboards and freezer and look at the producers names. I'll bet Con Agra comes up at least 10 times in your processed foods on your shelves. You are supporting socialized agriculture. Look at what happened to the votes in our grain belt producing states this election?
Morale to this story. BUY LOCAL.

1453 bellamags  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:25:23am

re: #1445 Adina in Judea

OMG - Someone finally agrees with me about Harry Potter!

1454 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:26:45am

re: #1424 J.D.
Yes. And BJ means Brussels Journal - just to keep your mind straight! LOL!

And - aside from mentioning Killgore and Sharmuta by nicname, Spencer certainly KNOWS BETTER - it's not a question of his having to do any research on this; Charles (with some help from others) laid out all the research anyone could ever want about those White Nationalists and Neo-Nazi's.

1455 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:27:52am
1456 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:28:09am

re: #1426 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter! No, shit doesn't happen in that context; it's deliberate.
And Spencer has the balls to talk about Charles' ego?
PULEEZE.

1457 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:29:03am
1458 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:30:25am

re: #1452 notutopia

There are several other families here in the piedmont and coastal plains that are wondering right now, What incentive is there to feeding the American masses when the government is busily supporting the Mega conglomerations of SOCIALIZED agriculture practices here in our country. All it has managed to do is "price fix" commodities of consumables on the stock market. Corps like Con Agra.
Just for grins, here is a social test. Everyone go to your cupboards and freezer and look at the producers names. I'll bet Con Agra comes up at least 10 times in your processed foods on your shelves. You are supporting socialized agriculture. Look at what happened to the votes in our grain belt producing states this election?
Morale to this story. BUY LOCAL.

For years, I have steadfastly refused to garden. The cheapest things on the grocer's shelves have been the canned veggies. Now, name brand veggies are about $1/can. (taste is not relevant to this calculation)

Except okra and tomatoes. You simply cannot ship tomatoes unless they are this newer type grown specifically to ship. Thick skinned, tasteless masses of tomato-shaped whatevers. Heritage, go with heritage.

1459 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:30:31am

re: #1433 Kenneth
Thanks for saying so elegantly what I've been laboring over.
It's why the Elites support him; they've got theirs, screw everyone else trying to get ahead too.

1460 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:31:50am

re: #1441 Iron Fist

That sounds prudent. I wish I had some money to spend. It's not as if guns are going to really go away (I expect there will be a thriving black market), but the ability to get exactly what I want will be gone. Poverty fuckin' sucks. There should be a government subsidy to help people who can't afford high-dollar guns. A Kimber in every pot...

:-)

"Please sir... may I have some more... magazine capacity?"

-Oliver "Barrel" Twist

1461 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:31:56am

re: #1456 realwest

Hey Walter! No, shit doesn't happen in that context; it's deliberate. And Spencer has the balls to talk about Charles' ego?
PULEEZE.

I had a moonbat ex-girlfriend who says she was raped by a mexican male while working as a chef in a kitchen. So, in her mind, she will not work with mexican men. And, she says that's not prejudice since SHE KNOWS BETTER.

It's that kind of logic that I think is at work here. Spencer thinks he knows better, knows that VB and those sort of groups are on his side. It's a powerful feeling to have people on your side, or to have convinced yourself that you KNOW BETTER.

1462 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:32:02am
1463 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:32:12am

re: #1459 realwest

Good morning, {real}...hope you're well today.

1464 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:32:52am
1465 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:33:00am

re: #1449 SteveC

Christianity is a strange thing, we like to shoot the wounded. For the life of me, I've never figured that out.

When I was in college the church I attended was within a block of a major hospital. Become involved in outreach to the Cancer wing? Why? Those people are... well they're sick. It might be contagious!

Change churches, Tom Cullen did. Laws, yes.

M-O-O-N, that spells "move my membership".

:-)

1466 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:33:03am

re: #1457 buzzsawmonkey

Fear is a powerful weapon.

1467 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:33:03am

re: #1437 buzzsawmonkey
Hey buzz - not quite, it's the AGBT - Arugala,guacamole, bacon and tomato sandwich!

1468 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:33:34am
1469 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:35:06am
1470 SixDegrees  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:35:55am

Another interesting news story, this one on voter turnout. Apparently, a record number of votes was cast - about 127 million - but the turnout rate compared with the number of registered voters was quite low - around 61%. The record was set in 1960, with 67% of registered voters casting ballots.

Further analysis, which is somewhat suspect beyond the raw numbers, is available at [Link: www.cnn.com...]

1471 notutopia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:36:33am

re: #1416 realwest

Realwest, That brings up the ISSue of Taxing Possessions. Here in my part of NC we are taxed on possession of individual items owned. EVERY car, truck, motorcycle, trailer, stable, out building, out house, smoke house, barn, tractor, bailer, boat, jetski, etc is charged a TAX. This is paid in ADDITION to the property taxes and vehicles registration taxes and licensing fees.
What do you think about adopting something like this nationally?

1472 J.D.  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #1454 realwest

Now I get it. I missed all that, somehow, in all this...
Thanks {realwest}.

1473 opnion  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:38:52am

re: #1442 realwest

Yes, I certainly never read it as "cheerleading" anyone to do such a thing, just laughing at what governmental entities think is the answer to such complex problems: put up a net.
Idiots.

And that was the point as well as a laugh at SF politics.
I never took it as a sreious comment.

1474 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:39:15am

re: #1452 notutopia
You are, of course, correct - the whole notion of a "family farm" which used to be the backbone of this country is a foreign concept to a disturbingly large segment of society. Hormel, ConAgra and many others (though not too many, of course) really control agriculture in this country.
I'm pleased to say that my (meaning closest!) supermarket has a "Grown Locally" section and we (Mom and me) buy from that section as often as possible.

1475 Texas Heathen  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:39:36am

re: #1471 notutopia

nooo!

1476 LGoPs  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:39:43am

re: #281 laZardo

I just feel that I'm going to be increasingly marginalized and ostracized if I hang around the losing side of things...and I've done so as far as I can recall.

You can take pride in not being a sheep...respectfully.
I understand the feeling of fear of being ostracized but you can take refuge in using critical thinking and coming to your own conclusions as opposed to following the crowd.

That's what I always tried to teach my children...to refuse to be spoon fed and to question and to come to their own conclusions...

1477 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:40:18am

re: #1450 Sharmuta

re: #1445 Adina in Judea

I don't read it that way. The kids are the same race, same culture. But the Dark Lord is a blood nazi.

Islamofacism is also racist. They claim that Jews are the sons of pigs and monkeys. They portray us as insects in their political cartoons (especially spiders.) They draw us as spiders trying to devour the world.

Islamofascists like Hamas say that Jews must be subjugated or killed.

This was something the Dark Lord intended to do to others.

At this point, if people see neo-Nazis as being worse than Islamofascists, then this gives the Islamofascists an advantage over us. Fascists of all kinds are dangerous and evil. We don't want to side with European Fascists who go after Islamofascists (as Germany sided with the Nazis to fight the Communists prior to WWII.)

However, Islamofascism is still a horrible threat (and the worse threat at this moment.) We don't want to side with any Fascists, but the only Fascists today who have leaders outright threatening to murder children are the Islamofascists.

I think the Harry Potter series is a good warning about Fascism in general but especially the Fascists who set out to murder innocents (including children.)

Nazi Germany did this in the 20th Century and Islamofascists are still doing it in the 21st Century.

1478 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:43:03am

re: #1461 Walter L. Newton
Well then, that's yet another area where Mr. Spencer and I disagree - yes it's nice to have people on your side, but only if they are good people.
I'd much rather have 5 "friends" who are good and thoughtful and truly patriotic than 50 of questionable (to put it mildly) mindsets.

1479 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #1477 Adina in Judea

I'm not going to argue your points. It's simply my opinion that the books are analogous to european ethnic nationalism.

1480 notutopia  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:43:18am

re: #1464 Iron Fist

How could anyone put something on their person, tatoos, clothes, accessories, jewelry, etc. if they don't know what those symbols mean?
I know. I know,... but it looks so cool...

1481 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:44:09am

re: #1463 scottishbuzzsaw
Hi there scottie! I'm doing ok today, how's about yourself?

1482 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:46:12am

re: #1457 buzzsawmonkey

One thing the stories do not explain, address, or elucidate is why certain people are loyal to, and remain loyal to, Voldemort even when they are appalled at his actions and/or aware that they themselves are potentially in jeopardy from him despite their loyalty.

Once they knew of his power and the fact that he might kill them, there was nowhere to run from him. They knew that if they betrayed him, they would die for sure. So at the point where they realize that they might die anyway, most of them just try to stay alive.

Only one close person dares to go against Voldemort and he does it for love.

Voldemort is quite willing to turn on his most loyal supporters in a hair's-breadth; to torture them or even kill them at whim if he thinks it will serve his larger purpose. Many people are willing to remain friends with sociopathic personalities on the incorrect assumption that they are somehow exempt from the way such people treat everyone else--but when, for example, it is clear to the Malfoys from at least the middle of the sixth book that they are no longer honored members of the inner circle, but hostages to the Dark Lord's disfavor, they still do not consider for a minute actually betraying him.

Well, they were worried about the life of their son, Draco, when they realized that they were no longer in the Dark Lord's favor.

Also, there is a moment of betrayal by the Malfoys, which I won't mention since it would be a spoiler.

1483 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:46:13am
1484 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:46:41am

This is just an observation about some of the discussions here concerning the Ultra-right groups in Europe and the concern expressed by many here. My caveat is that I am as concerned as you all are, but there is I think, something in the European mindset that provides for such a thing.

My reading of European history is that most of Europe, especially the west, has been center-left in its political leanings for more than a century. However, there have always been the extremes that have always pulled at that center. The means of coping by the center is to pit the extreme political wings against each other, which tends to achieve a political equilibrium. The most recent exampled of this was (arguably) the Cold War where all of central and western Europe was caught between the Soviet hammer. Gaullist France did this by trying to make another world bloc to counter balance NATO and the Warsaw Pact. The exampled before this was, of course, Fascism against Bolshevism. One avoided war; the other did not.

The latter example, of course, is the classic failure of the mindset. But, it was, in the large scope, the only major failure. The Napoleonic Wars could also been seen as another failure, but that policy worked thereafter from 1821 up through 1914. In short, the centrist Europeans have always "fought fire with fire". The dynamic we are seeing now, the far-right vs the rising tide of Islamic influence, is nothing new. The centrists, in my opinion, hope that both extremes will burn out the other. The question is whether or not the center is immolated in the process remains to be seen.

Again, if history is any indicator, the sides in the present conflict are more akin to the Fascists and Bolsheviks of nearly 70 years ago, both of whom saw no problem in the use of force. This does not bode well for the whole of Europe, I think.

1485 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #1480 notutopia

How could anyone put something on their person, tatoos, clothes, accessories, jewelry, etc. if they don't know what those symbols mean?
I know. I know,... but it looks so cool...

I have it on reliable authority that those cool Chinese symbols so popular amongst a certain set actually translate to, "This roundeyed fool will believe whatever he hears."

1486 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #1464 Iron Fist
I agree with you - but the Odin's Cross thing really was sorta complicated to most of us; the stance of BNP, VB and LePen and others is clearly set forth BY THEM.
You don't have to be a "scholar" like Mr. Spencer, to know that when folks say to counter Islamic Fascism we need to create and empower White Fascism.
One of the things I love about Charles is his belief that there should be NO FASCISTS in our foxhole!

1487 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:47:52am

re: #1479 Sharmuta

re: #1477 Adina in Judea

I'm not going to argue your points. It's simply my opinion that the books are analogous to european ethnic nationalism.

Islamofascism is analogous to European Fascism.

1488 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:48:09am
1489 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:49:39am

Obama's First National Security Briefing

Mr. President-elect, here is what you need to know:

The NOKOs are printing billions in superbills every year and trying to reneg on their nuclear decommissioning agreement. They may have suitcase nukes and may or may not have transferred them to Iran; in either event, they are assisting Iran, Syria, and Pakistan's nuclear programs. They might also collapse at any second and trigger a Gottdammerung war with the South.

Throughout S. Asia and the Philippines, there is an ongoing Islamist insurgency and al Qaida cells. only US help and power prevents a war down there; all major airports have been, to some extent, compromised.

China, is committed to a massive military buildup and still threatens war with Taiwan at any second. If they think you are weak in you support of Taiwan, the mainland could decide to attack. They are dangerous and becoming more so. Oh, and their regime never met a dictator they could not deal with and they infiltrate and spy on us and US companies and do not play fair in the global markets.

Afghanistan and Pakistan- the new Pakistani government is trying to bring the western tribal areas under control, the Afghan central government is weak; listen to Petreaus and you might not lose a war in the first year of your Presidency. Al Qaida and the Taliban are active and you will be killing them your whole Presidency.

Africa- the unhappiest continent in the world faces hunger, fascist regimes, slavery and terrorism. Sudan and Somalia will be headaches, only force can stop the killing in Darfur, massive force. Ditto the pirates of the horn of Africa. Kenya will also be a problem, when your family friends try to Islamicize the entire country, there may be some violent backlash. Expect a Kenyan civil war and next time, dumb ass, don't personally interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

The Egyptian regime is due for major upheaval when Hosni Mubarak dies. With no democratic institutions and a deeply hated incompetent corrupt government, the Muslim Brotherhood will try to seize power. You can either support the regime or let the al Qaida linked MB win, abrogate the peace treaty with Israel and see another Arab Israeli war. Its all good, enjoy.

Russia. Expect Russian efforts to undermine or take over everything up to the Polish & Serbian borders to the west and down to Iran in the south. You are warned. You might consider taking McCain as your Sec State and avoiding the unbelievable trouble of dealing with these authoritarian kleptocrats.

Europe. Weak and getting weaker. Expect a lot of social upheaval from all the immigration. The Spaniards, Swiss and Belgians are just worthless.

South America- you will soon find out Hugo Chavez, Morales and Castro are not your friends. Mexico is becoming destabilized by narco-terror gangs and Columbia might be invaded by Bolivia and Venezuela the minute you are sworn in. President Uribe is the only real friend we have down there and US interests are not advanced if a Chavez style government come to power.

The best for last, Iran, Iraq Syria, Lebanon and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Easy part first, The Palestinians can't and won't deliver on any of their promises and, after you force them to lower their defenses and once a bunch of Jews get killed, the Israelis get all squirrely and stop moving forward on negotiations or worse counterattack. Consider having the Palestinians take a national vote for Peace.

Iraq is almost stabilized, be smart and let Petreaus finish up. Iran is Syria, Hamas and Lebanon- they are close to getting the bomb and, the murderers who run Iran and sent money to your campaign, hope you will try to negotiate unconditionally. They are so close to the bomb you don't really have time for sanctions and, yes, they really mean it when they say "Death to America." No good options here, unless Europe, Russia and China agree to draconian sanctions, we are left with Israel attacking and or a war or a nuclear armed Iranian terror superstate.

Have fun!

1490 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:51:14am

re: #1486 realwest

Given the way various Fascists betrayed their erstwhile allies during WWII, it is shocking to see anybody today thinking that Neo-Fascists of any stripe could be reliable allies.

No tent is big enough.

1491 lurking faith  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:52:04am

re: #1359 realwest

Respectfully some of us have lost close friends to suicide; Me included and I still thought that was a funny line - it was clearly NOT MEANT to encourage or approve of suicide.

I didn't think it was meant to encourage or approve. It did look like mockery to me, though. (And yes, I know now it wasn't meant that way.)

I can laugh at a lot of things, but not despair, and not debilitating or deadly mental illness.

I think it ticked me off not so much because of the friend who died, but mainly because of the one I rescued.

1492 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:52:47am

re: #1488 buzzsawmonkey

re: #1482 Adina in Judea

The books would have been much more interesting, and much more morally complex, had Draco Malfoy decided to repudiate his parents' allegiance to Voldemort. As it was, his act in furtherance of that allegiance was instrumental in Voldemort's downfall, inadvertently--but that was not nearly so morally interesting.

Actually, Draco was conflicted in the last couple of books.

Professor Dumbledore also saw that Draco wasn't totally lost as a person.

1493 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #1481 realwest

Hi there scottie! I'm doing ok today, how's about yourself?

Just fine...lovely cool autumn day...and it's Friday!

1494 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #1489 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

"...listen to Petraeus and you might not lose a war in the first year of your Presidency."

From your lips to Obama's ears!

1495 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 9:57:30am
1496 Dave_Da_Kid  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:01:15am

re: #1469 buzzsawmonkey

No, no: LGBT, which, lest you forget, also stands for "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender."

That would not be a very tasty sandwich...

1497 realwest  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:01:43am

re: #1471 notutopia
Well given the fact that I'm in favor of small government - big enough to do what governments were first created to do: keep their citizens safe from enemies domestic and foreign, you need to understand that I don't like any taxes at all. I recognize that some taxes are required for government to do what government should do (and full disclosure here: I'm on Social Security Disability Insurance because I have cancer and am truly unable to work - although I have paid WAAAY more into Social Security than I'll ever get out of it).
So you could reasonably accept the fact that I truly dislike all of those taxes, charges and user fees we pay down here in North Carolina. But I see where you're going with this in terms of nationwide taxes on possessions etc. as a means of getting the elites to get their heads out of their asses, but I don't think that's as effective as the Net Worth type of tax.
Lord knows lot of the elities drive their Mercedes or Lexus but don't OWN THEM, they are provided to them from some corporation they have a small % ownership of and it still doesn't get to the issue of the "offshore" wealth.
If someone EARNS a large income, I see no real justification of taking more of it (percentage wise) than from someone who EARNS a lesser income.
And taking from those who create wealth to give to those who simply consume it is just ridiculous (although I'd exempt myself - as I said I can't work, but did for over 40 years and sure wasn't planning on or expecting to "retire" so suddenly and on such a small amount of income).

1498 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:03:08am

re: #1495 buzzsawmonkey

No, not "conflicted." Too scared to be as evil as he desired to be. He tries up until the end to kill Harry and his friends and foil them in their quest to destroy Voldemort--even though he should have realized by that time that his own salvation only lay in becoming a turncoat.

However, there's a point in the final book where Draco is asked to identify Harry and his friends (who he's known for almost 7 years by then) to the Dark Lord's followers - and Draco only says, "It might be (them.)"

If he was still trying to hurt Harry and friends, he could have identified them rather than being ambiguous about it.

1499 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:04:43am

Correction:

Draco was still trying to hurt Harry and friends, but he could have identified them to the Death Eaters rather than being ambiguous about it.

He was conflicted about it, even though he did try to hurt them himself later.

1500 stanleymberg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:08:56am

Rev. Wright's remarks were "taken out of context," apparently:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Sooo...he DIDN'T mean "G-d Damn America!" then? Oh, I see. I can see where that could be "misinterpreted" and "taken out of context"...I'm sure he meant something completely different than that...by saying the thing that he said...he meant something else. Right. Got it.

1501 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:09:06am

What Wikipedia writes about Draco Malfoy is interesting:

Draco's character, ironically, provides a pivotal turning point in the storyline when he displays a rare moment of regret late in the series. Harry takes pity on Draco when he grasps the gravity of the expectations, including murder, with which Draco has been coping with as one of Voldemort's minions: "...suddenly, having talked the talk, he's asked to walk it for the first time and it is absolutely terrifying."

Draco, as well as Dudley Dursley, was indoctrinated with his parents' beliefs; Rowling commented that "The moment Draco got what he thought he wanted, to become a Death Eater, and given a mission by Lord Voldemort, as he did in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, reality finally hit him" because his dream was "so very different". Rowling also stated that there was a real moral cowardice to Draco, but that he was not wholly bad.

1502 Born_to_lose  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:09:49am

Change! That's why he's cherry picking from the slew of former Clinton administration staff for his own administration! Chaaange, I tell ya! change?

1503 Adina in Judea  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:11:56am

re: #1500 stanleymberg

Yeah, and I guess his "chickens coming home to roost" comment about America and 9/11 was taken out of context, too (as well as the thumping of his groin to simulate sex up against the pulpit when talking about Clinton.)

Here we go...

1504 stanleymberg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:18:39am

Yeah. The "taken out of context" claim kind of loses its "oomph" when you can actually go watch the videos of Wright on YouTube and see that the context itself was incriminating to him.

Not to mention the fact that some statements are just vile no matter what the "context" was.

1505 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:19:56am
1506 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:23:36am
1507 stanleymberg  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:37:50am

"I don't think that Obama et al would buy the "taken out of context" line if it were a Grand Poohbear of the KKK making a statement, do you? Who is saying the words is part of the context."

Very true, and well-stated.

1508 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:55:32am

re: #1444 bellamags

Hey. I should probably tell you more (i just found out myself). Regarding the college kids and the party: These kids were labeled as racist at their school (this is in the south) because they were for McCain. Treated terribly. Anyway, their "friends" they dis-invited were poli-sci majors and wanted to start trouble.

In other words, then, these libs were not their friends at all - they were their enemies. That of course is a horse of a different colour.

1509 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 10:56:43am

re: #1500 stanleymberg

Rev. Wright's remarks were "taken out of context," apparently:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Sooo...he DIDN'T mean "G-d Damn America!" then? Oh, I see. I can see where that could be "misinterpreted" and "taken out of context"...I'm sure he meant something completely different than that...by saying the thing that he said...he meant something else. Right. Got it.

He forgot his sarc tag.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

Name:

Pass:

Register Forgot Your Password? Account Settings Re-send Confirmation (To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!)

Turn off ads by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day, our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...


► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► LGF Hits

► Resources

► Never Forget

► Statistics

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

More Partners

Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.

Moving every zig for great justice.

TwitterFacebook
LGF Pages
Recent Pages

Channeling Confucius
Envisioning a Post-Campus America - Megan McArdle - the Atlantic
2 minutes ago
Views: 4 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Bob Dillon
Mossad Bolsters Activity in Tunisia
13 minutes ago
Views: 12 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Bob Dillon
CA Prison Officers Spent More Than $1 Million on Political Advice
23 minutes ago
Views: 9 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Bob Dillon
China Withdraws Support to Assad
30 minutes ago
Views: 24 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Bob Dillon
'Assad Using Chemical Warfare in Homs Attack
34 minutes ago
Views: 15 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Bob Dillon
Weapons: Neutering Ammonium Nitrate
44 minutes ago
Views: 20 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Randall Gross
Stabenow Up 14 on Hoekstra as Ad Backfires - Public Policy Polling
1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Views: 66 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Randall Gross
Youth for Western Civilization Takes 'Patriot' Plunge
1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Views: 60 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Randall Gross
'Sovereign Citizen' Sues Government Over Grammar
1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Views: 70 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Randall Gross
Apple 'Determined' to Improve Conditions at Plants in China
1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Views: 56 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1

 Frank says:

I'd like to know who's Plunkin' the monkeys? -- It was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I can't remember the year maybe 10 years ago? They were talking about AIDS and how AIDS all got started, he had 3 theory's. First Frank said something about AIDS being a government test gone wrong Then maybe it was an Alien (ET) test or mistake and finally they talked about the theory of AIDS coming from a monkey and then Frank said " I'd like to know who's plunkin' the monkey's?"