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Open | Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:10:00 pm PST
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.
— Taylor Benson
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Open | Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:10:00 pm PST
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.
— Taylor Benson
1509 comments
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:10pm |
So, I was talking to myself the other night...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:26pm |
...and I suddenly heard a knock at the door...
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Gus 802 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:43pm |
As long as you don't argue with yourself you'll be fine.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:11:56pm |
...and it was Moe Katz, carrying a DEAD BODY?
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Nightwatch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:12:26pm |
Here .....AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:12:56pm |
Getting ready for bed and am thinking silly thoughts.
Like taking the news footage of the upcoming inauguration and playing it to the theme music from "The Jeffersons"
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:13:00pm |
re: #7 Nightwatch
Here .....AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?
Er, that wasn't me. I just got in from work at 11:30. I'm trying to wind down.
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:20pm |
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Meremortal Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:14:42pm |
I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.
-Yogi Berra
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:21pm |
Another wonderful night on the town. Wassup? Just got back in.
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:23pm |
re: #13 Meremortal
I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.
-Yogi Berra
The future sure ain't what it used to be.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:15:59pm |
Here is a phony article I posted on a article thread on MSNBC last year...
I found this article on Advertisers Forum Press, a internet based website trade journal. After I clipped and pasted the text of the article, I went back to the site to clip and paste the URL, but the article had already been taken down. If anyone else saw this article and knows the original link, please post it here. Until then, here is the text.
AFP (4-19-2007) Advertisers Forum Press has learned that NBC/MSNBC has announce a pre-slotted advertising buy campaign that will air during news segments that cover any future national tragedies such as the Vtech massacre.
Lloyd Johnson, a VP of sales at NBC/MSNBC, outlined the new advertising program. “Since it is apparent that NBC/MSNBC will now become the go to network for psychotic mass murderers and other such deranged individuals, it only seemed natural that we give our loyal advertisers a chance to get a jump on their competitors. These pre-slotted sales will enable advertisers to purchase air time that will run against any future news broadcasts of incidents like Vtech and Columbine. The advertiser won’t even have to make a phone call to the network. We will automatically select a current running ad that belongs to the client and place it into the ad rotation.”
When asked about the possibility of placing misappropriate ads into the air slots, Mr. Johnson quipped “Well, we certainly will review the selected ads to make sure that the contents would not put our advertisers in a bad light. I mean… we would be careful not to place a hamburger franchise ad up against a story about an employee going postal in a meat packing plant. After all, NBC/MSNBC is known for it’s sensitivity.”
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Nightwatch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:17pm |
re: #9 Walter L. Newton
Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots....pain....much pain
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:24pm |
The dead body is mine and I must put it to bed. 'Night all.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:37pm |
Everybody that is any good at jazz is dead. Even the live ones.
Some would kill for it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:16:41pm |
re: #13 Meremortal
I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.
-Yogi Berra
Hey, Mere, what are you doing next Wed. night. Email me, I have something to tell you about.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:17:42pm |
re: #20 Nightwatch
Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots....pain....much pain
Were they "high fiven" it during procedures?
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:18:46pm |
re: #7 Nightwatch
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:18:47pm |
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.
That's really profound.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:19:39pm |
What if they had an open thread and none of the avatars came?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:08pm |
Avatars get turned off again? I am back for a bit. Got sucked into a Connections channel on youtube. Given me some great material to work an essay on. 1978, was a great year, and since it was pre-global warming it has some excellent material to hit people over the head with.
/heh heh heh heh. *very evil grin*
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:28pm |
Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:
I haven't seen any massive partying in the streets as reported by every news agency in the world.
No Europeans have raced up to me and planted a big wet kiss on me as European men are prone to do...especially to other men.
What I have seen is life goes on as normal. Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap about 0bama or any other person we Americans elect as president? Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap what the US does at all? The Democrat Party would be sad indeed if they have seen what I've seen. I was hoping for at least a free beer...that's 5 Euros!
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:33pm |
Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?
Bigger news than the election results is what's coming next: Specifically, the so-called Fairness Doctrine. On Election Day, a Fox News host interviewed Senator Chuck Schumer of New York. Schumer made it plainly clear that the strengthened Democratic congressional majority plans to reinstate the Doctrine next year. This would require radio stations to take conservative radio hosts off the air unless they do the impossible: Find liberal radio hosts with comparable numbers of viewers. It's censorship without having to call it censorship. The Fox host asked Senator Schumer how he can justify doing this to a private, for-profit radio station operating without any government funds. Schumer's response was chilling. He said: "The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air. I am for that… But you can’t say government hands off in one area to a commercial enterprise but you are allowed to intervene in another."
Schumer wants to extend censorship beyond the marginal area of pornography to the much more serious area of ideas and political speech. Will opponents of the Orwellian-Randian sounding "Fairness Doctrine" rise to call it what it is? Will there be the equivalent of a Boston Tea Party in defense of free speech? Or will freedom of speech die in the United States of America without a wimper?
Here's what this is really about: Dissension. The new face of modern-day liberalism is one of intolerance -- specifically, intolerance of all dissension. For decades now, we have seen this attitude among liberal intellectuals on college campuses who use federal funds and federal regulations to keep out any opinion which departs from left-wing orthodoxy. Now, that mentality has at last arrived in Congress and at the White House.
This very column you are reading -- though not as high-profile as Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity -- is just one example of dissension. Dissension is all over the Internet, cable and broadcast media, and all throughout the land. Where will dissension be after 4-8 years of the new regime now moving into Washington DC?
Stay tuned -- while you still can.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:34pm |
Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:38pm |
re: #20 Nightwatch
Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots....pain....much pain
Hope everything is okay, E. R. wise. I've had nothing but the "high fiving Obamanites" too, until tonight. Our young republican friends came in tonight to our local restaurant. What a nice break.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:20:50pm |
Ah, the overnight thread is here. Now I can go to bed.
Weet dreams, fellow lizards... :D
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:44pm |
re: #33 rightwinger3
Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:
What country?
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:46pm |
Walking with the missus and one of the Akitas tonight when we passed a 7-11. As usual, some teen/young adult was playing their car radio very loud. it was an African American female who yelled Obama as she walked out of the store. She drove out the parking lot past us and shouted to me and the missus "Obama" . It sounded more like a shout of joy--but there was a bit of a nose rubbing edge in her voice.
I am resolved that should I ever hear another AA shout such a thing, I will, in polite company, reply "Gesundheit". In less polite company, I'll say what David Allen Grier said on "Chocolate News"; "Don't fuck it up."
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:21:46pm |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...
Snow is racist.
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:22:31pm |
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stonemason Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:22:52pm |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
"it was a dark and stormy night..."
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:05pm |
re: #42 calcajun
What's that? Fisting is in?
Only if you are in the government, and only to the taxpayers and rich folk.
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Gus 802 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:17pm |
re: #41 Sharmuta
Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.
/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:22pm |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:23pm |
re: #37 NomadOfNorad
Nite, 'weet dreams. I am not long for the world either.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:23:46pm |
re: #41 Sharmuta
Snow is racist.
Hey, I'm 18 miles from Boulder. Our snow is a rainbow of color, happy little snowflakes, we save everyone of them, in our freezers, and take them out in the summer...
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:06pm |
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:10pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.
/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.
Not the ones I build. You'd be amazed what you can do with carrots and some briquettes.
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Nightwatch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:11pm |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
Look, I have sinned(Flamed) and have just plain been metered-pegged wrong some times, but I have always taken my return flame without flinching from the baking!
I will say it, I will not go to a bunker and wait out this storm.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:13pm |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:24:54pm |
re: #33 rightwinger3
I imagine the majority of Euros who may have given a shit about 0bama were of the Sgrena ilk or Bader-Meinhoff hangers-on.
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calcajun Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:19pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.
Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:26pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.
Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.
Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:25:29pm |
re: #43 stonemason
"it was a dark and stormy night..."
"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:10pm |
re: #54 calcajun
Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.
Yeah, California sucks.
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Meremortal Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:48pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.
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*young darlings*? *San Francisco sucks?*
Do you have to be so graphic?
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:26:54pm |
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mean Gene Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:20pm |
Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:51pm |
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Meremortal Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:27:53pm |
re: #52 rightwinger3
I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:28:13pm |
re: #55 Walter L. Newton
Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.
Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.
Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:08pm |
re: #61 mean Gene
Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.
Jong is a god. His umbra is not natural. Easy explaination.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:12pm |
re: #61 mean Gene
Those are the most ill fitting pants I have ever seen. I mean on the 2 guys adjacent to Dear Leader. Looks like a 44 inseam being worn by with 28" legs.
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ThingFish Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:18pm |
re: #33 rightwinger3
Rightwinger,
I'm not in Europe. I'm normally in Japan. I happen to be currently in the US on vacation and suffering from jetlag. But to add to your comment. While in the Tokyo/Narita airport I saw a newsreport of Japanese celebrating the victory of Obama. The location was a little town named "Obama" so I'm sure of that.... (they are so superficial sometimes.). So I think there may be pockets of people worldwide pulling for Obama. But I doubt it is as widespread as it will
inevitably be reported.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:29:50pm |
re: #52 rightwinger3
Italy.
Wow....right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.
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RememberSekhmet? Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:05pm |
Must.....pass.....out.....
weet dreams
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:26pm |
re: #63 Meremortal
I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?
Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.
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ThingFish Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:30:49pm |
re: #40 calcajun
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I think that Obama has a golden opportunity... I'm very afraid that he will f*ck it up.
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leftover54 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:31:05pm |
WHAT dreams ?....Oh, I see. Its late, double vision here !
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leftover54 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:16pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:29pm |
re: #64 rightwinger3
Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.
I have been in Leadville in the dead of winter. Granted, not there to stay, but I have spent a week there. Still loved it.
And my moonbat ex-girlfriend of two year back had a house in Russel Gulch, which is sitting at 9000 feet, right above Central City. Russel Gulch is a ghost town, gold mining ghost town. Most of the town faces east, against the up slope, you can see all the way down to Blackhawk.
Really brisk up there.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:29pm |
re: #68 Fenway_Nation
Wow....right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.
Fenway, it's very expensive here. It's a great place to visit on the company dime though.
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ThingFish Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:32:35pm |
Leftover... I'm surely enroute to double vision, but hanging fine... Dealing with jetlag.
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Nightwatch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:03pm |
re: #26 Moe Katz
The fight is on, Moe, you must know this, the fight is ON! America lives or dies in the next four years. Not a comic book, not a sit-com, not a made for TV movie or blogg tag . I am going all the way with this! Charles, back me, or ban me!
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:13pm |
re: #64 rightwinger3
Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.
Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:36:20pm |
re: #76 rightwinger3
My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:37:04pm |
re: #68 Fenway_Nation
I have been there, but it was a long time ago. Tito was in power. The Adriatic coast (Split and Dubrovnik) were absolutely gorgeous, very much like southern California in terms of weather and food. The old town of Dubrovnik was very nice. I hear the war was not kind to Dubrovnik. I wonder what it is like today.
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esch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:39:29pm |
It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.
I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.
A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:25pm |
re: #79 logboy
Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!
I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.
And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.
Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.
But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:32pm |
Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps
Here's some hope and change for you...
Barack Obama will require students to partake in 50 of community service in middle and high school and 100 hours in college.
Via LGF Quick Links.
Don't think for a minute that this won't include some kind of indoctrination:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
At one time in our history church groups would volunteer to assist their community.
Now, we have the Church of Obama.
Maybe this helps explain the sudden surge in firearm sales.
Related... This was timely.
Claudia Rosett wrote more about Obama's ideas that subordinate individual freedom to the collective.
This is getting a little scary.
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Meremortal Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:40:54pm |
re: #71 rightwinger3
Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.
Bravo!
That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:42:27pm |
re: #79 logboy
Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!
Excellent logboy! I love CO and I could do the mountains and snow for a weekend or so but any more than that....I'll have to see how snowboards do on the Dunes!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:02pm |
Wish I could stick around with my Lizard friends but I am exhausted. Take care, all.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:17pm |
re: #85 Meremortal
Bravo!
That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!
Yeah my wife loves it too. It's right in the middle of everything. Buona Notte!
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:44:58pm |
re: #83 Walter L. Newton
I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.
And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.
Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.
But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.
I got hooked by the Vail Veterans Program 3 months after I got blown up in Iraq. Now I'm totally into it. Especially since I can't snowmobile anymore.
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FortunateSon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:45:32pm |
Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:46:07pm |
re: #80 Fenway_Nation
My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.
That's Europe I guess, but hey they have "free" health care here!
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:46:20pm |
re: #82 esch
It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.
I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.
A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.
Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").
Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".
Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".
Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"
He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.
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logboy Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:02pm |
re: #84 gmsc
Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps
Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.
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Nightwatch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:04pm |
re: #81 rawmuse
Oh been there too...97 with the OP-FOR tanks, jeeps, 50 cal, UN observation posts with NO-BODY HOME, unusual green fields on the [bigoted word] side (GOOD FERTILIZER) went all the way up past MOSTAR, but yes that Adriatic coast...Malibu is a freaking South-Central by comparison...
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:47:05pm |
re: #81 rawmuse
Dubrovnik was able to dust itself off to a large extent, but further inland (along the Danube) Vukovar has yet to recover to this day.....
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Gus 802 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:48:06pm |
Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.
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gop_patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:48:57pm |
re: #84 gmsc
Scary- and ridiculous.
No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.
Marxist bastards.
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Emperor Norton Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:49:42pm |
Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.
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rightwinger3 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:50:53pm |
re: #100 Emperor Norton
Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.
Do you suppose that matters to the liberals who now inhabit the halls of congress and the WH?
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FortunateSon Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:51:07pm |
re: #100 Emperor Norton
Let's not worry about that too much, it's an old outdated negative-rights document, nothing to see here, move along.
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Sharmuta Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:52:23pm |
re: #100 Emperor Norton
Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.
But will the ACLU champion that?
/not holding my breath
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esch Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:52:44pm |
re: #93 gmsc
Oh I have a whole list of items to hit him with. Good scenario though, I'll put it on the list. My main weapon in reserve (considering how much he bitches about Wall St fat cats) is explaining how most of the really wealthy on Wall St are democrats. That'll make his head explode.
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Gus 802 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:53:00pm |
How about an organized inauguration protest like they did with Bush? It wouldn't be easy and it would be popular but what the hey.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:54:31pm |
re: #91 FortunateSon
Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?
Exactly as we should be:
A FLAG, ON A HILL (Excerpt from second half)
by Bill Whittle
Battles don’t always go that way. But sometimes they do. It depends on whether the individual soldier still has any fight in him.
It has been a source of delight for me these past few days to see nothing but evidence of this, all across our defeated lines. Nowhere have I heard a shred of defeatism or despair. On the contrary. In point of fact, the magnanimity and graciousness I have seen in defeat in so many places on the right tells me that this is a eager and seasoned army, one able to look defeat in the face and own up to the errors in tactics and strategy that got us there. And nowhere do I see a call to abandon our core principles and sue for terms, but rather that our loss was caused precisely by our abandonment of the issues we which hold dear and which have served us so well on battlefields past.
So consider this, my fellows in arms:
On Tuesday, the Left – armed with the most attractive, eloquent, young, hip and charismatic candidate I have seen with my adult eyes, a candidate shielded by a media so overtly that it can never be such a shield again, who appeared after eight years of a historically unpopular President, in the midst of two undefended wars and at the time of the worst financial crisis since the Depression and whose praises were sung by every movie, television and musical icon without pause or challenge for 20 months… who ran against the oldest nominee in the country’s history, against a campaign rent with internal disarray and determined not to attack in the one area where attack could have succeeded and who was out-spent no less than seven-to-one in a cycle where not a single debate question was unfavorable to his opponent – that historic victory, that perfect storm of opportunity…
Yielded a result of 53%
Folks, we are going to lick these people out of their boots.
There is much to do. That a man with such overt Marxist ideas and such a history of association with virulent anti-Americans can be elected President should make it crystal clear to each of us just how far we have let fall the moral tone of this Republic. The great lesson from Ronald Reagan was simply that we can and must gently educate as well as campaign, and explain our ideas with smiles on our faces and real joy in our hearts, for unlike the far-left radical who gained the Presidency on Tuesday, we start with 150 million of the most free and intelligent and hard-working people in the history of the Earth at our backs, with a philosophy that -- unlike theirs, which has resulted in 100 million dead in unmarked graves -- has liberated and enriched more people and created more joy than any nation or combination of nations in our history.
How can we lose this greater fight, my friends? How can we lose, unless we give up?
Read the whole thing.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:55:27pm |
re: #106 esch
Ask him how much he has/had in his 401k, his parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.. Whose money is in Wall st? The fat cats managing the funds and stocks are rich, but most of the stock market is built on money from the middle class.
/another nail in his coffin of ideology.
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gop_patriot Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:56:47pm |
re: #100 Emperor Norton
Labor is defined as work of economic or financial value. Unfree labor, or labor not willingly given, is obtained in a number of ways:
* causing or threatening to cause serious harm to any person;
* physically restraining or threatening to physically restrain another person;
* abusing or threatening to abuse the law or legal process;
* knowingly destroying, concealing, removing, confiscating or possessing any actual or purported passport or other immigration document, or any other actual or purported government identification document, of another person;
* blackmail;
* causing or threatening to cause financial harm [using financial control over] to any person.*
I can see several ways that the 0 administration could violate this amendment.
/*or state/school district/school...
//did I mention, Marxist bastards? UGH
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:57:49pm |
re: #56 gmsc
"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."
"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."
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stonemason Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:58:48pm |
re: #99 gop_patriot
not to be cantankerous but many high schools already require 'community service' to graduate. I had a Junior in the Little Leage Snack Bar all summer last year, and many of the assistant coaches are High School players getting the service in. This is nothing new.
Middle school on the other hand is just wrong. College age would be illegal under the 13th.
Oh, and my kids do more hours than that every year through the Scouts and our church, so Mr. President Elect isn't gonna get his pound from us.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Nov 6, 2008 11:59:49pm |
re: #94 logboy
Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.
Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.
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Nightwatch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:00:35am |
So I'll leave ya now, but RAW MUSE sure as I live, CLINTON was the fool who let the [bigoted word]s grab a foothold into the western EU. Take it to the bank HOSS!
Hope ya sleep well.
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Gus 802 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:01:43am |
Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.
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redc1c4 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:01:51am |
re: #113 TheMatrix31
Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.
i'm not in college these days, but i will be soon and Juggy? you can go fuck yourself, and the WHB too.
PS: you're still not my president.
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FortunateSon Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:02:13am |
re: #112 stonemason
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this currently something decided upon by the school district on an individual basis? At most, it is a state requirement. That is dramatically different than a mandate from the Federal Government....
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esch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:04:01am |
re: #109 BlueCanuck
Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:05:20am |
re: #119 esch
Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.
There's a really fine line between stubborn and dipshit. Has he crossed this line?
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FortunateSon Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:05:46am |
Anyone else from Michigan here?
I thought this was a joke at first. A sick, sick joke. He can't do any better than Jennifer F-ing Granholm? At least she'll never be president (she's Canadian).
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Gus 802 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:06:25am |
re: #118 FortunateSon
More than likely it would another mandate from the feds tied in with federal funding to the schools. No doubt the types of service would be politicized by the schools in questions.
And which way do most schools lean? Left. So, there would be a push to define this service into leftist endeavors.
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esch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:07:58am |
re: #120 rightwinger3
Well, he did grad from arguably the best engineering school in teh country, and he's still listening attentively and respectfully, so I'm still trying. I just need to wean him off Stewart/Colbert for about a year.
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flutesnoot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:08:06am |
During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the Machine. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008
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redc1c4 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:09:05am |
words for new new reality:
"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."
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Zimriel Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:01am |
re: #93 gmsc
Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").
Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".
Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".
Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"
He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.
It won't work @ 3. Moonbat will retort that the Republicans turn to social issues to divide and exploit the poor. "Opiate of the masses".
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:22am |
re: #118 FortunateSon
Part of the No Child Left Behind Act
High school kids have been forced to do this for some time, at the behest of the Federal Government...which has NO MANDATE regarding public education to begin with, maybe we should start there.
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Sylvester_T_Cat Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:24am |
re: #99 gop_patriot
Scary- and ridiculous.
No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.
Marxist bastards.
Yea verily. Thought I saw something about "Involuntary Servitude" in the Constitution once?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:10:26am |
re: #125 flutesnoot
During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the
MachineMy Allowance. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008
There- fixed that.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:11:22am |
re: #112 stonemason
I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?
That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!
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Max Darkside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:12:17am |
re: #43 stonemason
"it was a dark and stormy night..."
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
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shanec99 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:12:32am |
re: #98 Gus 802
Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.
Go to Sicily, mild winters, you may get occasional snow if you live on Mt Etna above the level of Niccolosi, otherwise its lovely.
I had a villa in Mascalucia, 3 bedroom, huge living and dining room, fantastic kitchen, 2 bath rooms, study. Cost 760 euros.
Electric bill every 2 months about 120 euros
Water every 3 months about 20 euros
Car Insurance about 50 euros a month
Food bill (I typically shopped at Auchon) about 400 euros a month
Telephone... I used a mobile... about 60 euros a month
The only thing was gas was really expensive.
Not much else
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Gus 802 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:21am |
re: #134 shanec99
That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.
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Nightwatch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:37am |
re: #108 gmsc
Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.
Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him............................................... ..............PAUL.
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FortunateSon Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:14:52am |
re: #128 stonemason
Thank you for pointing that out. I'm sure that will be the justification for expansion of the program.
And you're correct-public education is a states' rights issue. Like so many other things. Ah, well.
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:35am |
re: #132 gop_patriot
The individual states are in control of education but when they ask the Federal Government for money, that money comes with strings. Find a state that does not get federal school dollars and the Feds have no control. Or, private schools. Of course many Catholic schools require public service, as do non-denominational Christian schools.
There are many, many (uncountable) reasons to be afraid of President-elect Obama, this really falls way low on the list.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:48am |
re: #128 stonemason
ACK! I didn't know about that. We homeschool, but have several friends whose children are in local public high schools; and I don't believe they've ever had to do any community type service. I'll make sure to ask them about it. That is ridiculous.
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esch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:15:56am |
re: #129 Sylvester_T_Cat
It won't be involuntary, just like Social Security isn't involuntary. But f you want a Pell Grant or any other kind of federal tuition assistance, you'll need to put your time in like everyone else.
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Gus 802 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:29am |
Of course this will be one of many mandates from Obama and company. I know he has many other plans including building codes.
The feds will create the Obamandate and the states will be forced to redefine or create new laws and regulations so they can maintain federal funding. The same as the do with the Clean Air Act and federal highway funding.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:58am |
re: #33 rightwinger3
Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:
And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.
Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:16:59am |
I get the NHL network, which will likely have the CBC feed of the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheader this weekend. I wonder if this will include Don Cherry's Rememberance Day Tribute to the Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.
/even if he phones it in, it will be better than any American network's 'tribute' to US Servicemen and women over the past 8 years, although I hear patriotism's suddenly vogue among libs now....
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:17:56am |
re: #137 FortunateSon
NCLB started out well, when it was tests that meant things, then, Kennedy got involved and it turned to sh**. The unions hate it though so it can't be all bad.
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redc1c4 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:17:59am |
re: #131 treesarie
And his name is Sarah. ;-)
"I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun."
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:29am |
re: #135 Gus 802
Closer to $1.25 to the Euro right now.
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Max Darkside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:44am |
re: #84 gmsc
Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps
It is not a little scary. It is VERY scary. The whole site creeps me out. I don't know how it would stand up to the 13th Amendment, which says:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Some claim that government service is exempt from the involuntary servitude, for instance the draft.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:18:56am |
re: #143 Karridine
Woohoo! Global depression, here we come!
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shanec99 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:39am |
re: #135 Gus 802
That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.
Well it was about $1.30 per euro when I was there... so it was about $950 per month, and it was great... my home was 150 square meters.
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:39am |
re: #136 Nightwatch
Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.
Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him..................................... ........................PAUL.
You're welcome. His articles are going to become more important in the days and years ahead.
BTW, his PJTV "Afterburner" videos are all available for free now!
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:19:42am |
re: #99 gop_patriot
Scary- and ridiculous.No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.
Marxist bastards.
"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"
He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"
BLAM!
YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
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capitalist piglet Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:21:43am |
I posted this link on the other thread, but I'll put it here in case you guys didn't get a chance to see it.
Rahm Emmanuel wrote a book and outlined this concept a few years ago; it's interesting that Obama chose him, because it looks (to me at least) more likely that they'll cook something up together.
The kid that wrote this piece was none too pleased to learn of this plan, in 2006:
Emmanuel writes that all citizens will be “asked” to serve their country. But there would be no asking because it would be a mandatory program. “Asked” in this case is a kind and gentle way to say that anyone who doesn’t participate would be guilty of a crime. Emmanuel has never said what he thinks the penalty should be for those who refuse to participate. But you can be sure that a major part of the “plan” will be a pretty damned persuasive deterrent to scoffing or fleeing.
[Link: www.popandpolitics.com...]
And:
He [Jonathan Alter, an advocate of Emmanuel's plan, and the person from Newsweek that hosted a chat about it - cp] pointed to the threat of a nuclear Iran as the reason for mandatory state service. I suggested that the way the world could be expected to deal with that sort of thing would be promised investment and trade versus economic sanctions, travel bans and frozen assets— you know diplomatic carrots and sticks.
Alter said that sanctions would be too harsh on the Iranian people and repeated his view that mandatory state service for Americans 18-25 years old was a better way to deal with the Iranian nuclear program.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:43am |
re: #139 stonemason
I see your point.
But I still think this is pretty important. This is Obama and his socialist/marxist buddies we're talking about; it might seem innocuous on the surface but I guarantee it will end up much worse than it looks right now.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:45am |
re: #113 TheMatrix31
Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.
I'm going to start emailing and talking to everyone I know about this. I know my congressman personally, I was his guest of honor to the state of the union address. If we don't start fighting this now, it may be too late. I will go to jail before I donate one fucking hour of my time to that communist.
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FortunateSon Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:22:49am |
re: #149 Max Darkside
I hate to sound over-the-top here, but to a lot of these people, being born an American is practically a crime (or the "moral equivalent"), and therefore something that requires acts of penance to redeem oneself for.
I don't want to believe that's the truth. But it's becoming pretty obvious.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:23:07am |
re: #150 Sharmuta
Sharmy, walking home a few hours after Comrade Lord Obama was chosen, my Iraqi-refugee neighbor asked me, "Obama? This is bad, yes? Americans will now leave Iraq? Soon? Oh, no! This is VERY BAD!"
/I shook my head, looked in his eyes, touched my heart, and turned toward my house...
/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:24:30am |
re: #153 Karridine
"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"
He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"
BLAM!
YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
That scenario is silly, ridiculous, and . . . accurate.
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capitalist piglet Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:24:30am |
re: #132 gop_patriot
I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?
That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!
We need to push back on this one, hard. I don't think getting the liberals on board would be difficult, either. This isn't going to be a popular idea with the majority of people who voted for this Marxist bastard - they were just too dumb and starry-eyed to realize what he had in mind for them.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:25:03am |
re: #153 Karridine
"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"
He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"
BLAM!
YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?
Hence the reason I own a gun.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:25:55am |
re: #158 Karridine
/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!
Not all depressions are financial. I know I am not feeling too good here right now, and it's not because of a virus.
/meme yes, virus no.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:27:56am |
re: #158 Karridine
Will you let him know that there is at least one American lady whose heart is breaking for Americans and Iraqis. I fear for them, and Israel and of course us here too.
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BakaRanger Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:28:24am |
We are going to be a country of busy little rascals, with community service and the civilian security force etc.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:29:22am |
re: #143 Karridine
And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.
Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...
Karradine, there goes Thailand.
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:29:40am |
re: #155 gop_patriot
Oh, don't get me wrong, if the kids are no longer able to choose where to do the project, or if the choices are limited, I will be right with you fighting it tooth and nail. As it is now, I must admit, I like the idea of some of the spoiled brats I know volunteering some time. Here in the Downingtown Area, PA, the choices are many and varied, everything counts, including Boy Scouts and Church Service. I mentioned the little league, that goes for soccer as well.
I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first, hold him to cutting waste, and trying our best to publicize every socialist move he makes.
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Max Darkside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:30:05am |
Remember Michelle O's words?...
"Don't go into corporate America," "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."
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shanec99 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:30:51am |
re: #156 logboy
My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.
Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.
Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.
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Max Darkside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:31:37am |
re: #168 stonemason
I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first
The rate things are going, there won't be anything to tax.
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:31:51am |
So, under "America Serves", do you get to choose your own "Massah", or does the state choose your "Massah"?
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Nightwatch Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:32:38am |
re: #153 Karridine
We will see the true men with spines for this country in the days to come. No Metro-sexual hand -wringers this time. Some of us are old card players and we see the bottom deck play.
WHAT you think this is over the top? THIS AIN'T KERRY. THIS AIN'T GORE!
Red White and Blue or........
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:32:39am |
I'm having a bit of an attitude this week. Been playing this song a LOT.
Trashed and scattered again, I'm feelin' so low
You waste breath while fuckin' with me, my blood is so cold
My destinations always are known, I'll find my way there
but Goddamn Motherfuckers always wasting my timeI won't be the victim, but the first to cast a stone
Sedated nights to the bar room fights as metropolis takes its toll
And don't you try to stop me, it's a place you'll never know
Don't try to judge or take shots in me, I'll never let you seize controlPlay your game, and walk away your integrity don't mean shit
Crawl on me you fucking parasite, and I'm gonna take you out
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:33:17am |
re: #171 Max Darkside
tis true.
I have a 'real' job, and I do side work (hence the monniker). The side work just went all Cash.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:33:57am |
re: #173 logboy
Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.
/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.
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BakaRanger Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:36:34am |
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:38:00am |
re: #170 shanec99
My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.
Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.
What the heck do you see with that issue that is "quiet, reasonable and non threatening"? Right. I'll just sit down and wait and hope for the best. Its right there in front of you in black and white, staring you right in the face. And what is your suggestion?
If you don't like what I say, then don't listen. After all, it is a free country (for now).
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stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:38:30am |
re: #174 Nightwatch
I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.
This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:39:24am |
re: #177 BlueCanuck
Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.
/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.
I have friends in BC, and AB. AB I get to hunt, in BC (VC) I get to logroll.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:42:35am |
re: #181 logboy
And in Alberta you are not far from a lot of ski hills either. Banff, Jaspar, Panorama. . . . . .
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:43:31am |
Something less unpleasant: 2008 Electoral Map Jigsaw Puzzle (Free online javascript jigsaw puzzle)
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:43:46am |
re: #173 logboy
The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.
Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?
I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?
I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:45:55am |
re: #177 BlueCanuck
Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.
/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.
Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:46:55am |
Today is the anniversary of the Bolshevik coup d'etat in Saint Petersburg. The beginning of the nightmare known to us as the Soviet Union.
Some people insist on not learning.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:49:31am |
You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:50:31am |
I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:51:34am |
re: #189 Sharmuta
You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.
Yeah! She lost a possible U.S. Vice-Presidential post to Joe Biden, but you don't see here packing up and heading North!
/Well, not to Canada, anyway.
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SurferDoc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:51:38am |
When my ancestors got their asses kicked, they went home, healed their wounds, repaired their armor and sharpened their swords. When the ice melted in the fjords, they got in their boats and went back.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:52:29am |
re: #190 UncleSam
I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.
Too late now, init?
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:52:31am |
re: #190 UncleSam
I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.
Good to hear . . . as well as surprising and interesting.
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infidel4ever Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:53:48am |
When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).
Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:54:17am |
re: #184 Sharmuta
I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?
I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!
Don't you dare question my patriotism. It will be two years ago in December that I left my right arm on the battlefield of Iraq because some Iranian thought he'd blow up my humvee in an effort to get his American kill count over 30. 9 months in an Army hospital later, I'm left picking up the pieces, fighting with the VA over benefits, attempting a college education, trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do with my life. I've given all that a person can give for their country without dying.
You may question my judgment. You may question my sanity. But don't you dare question my patriotism.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:56:52am |
re: #197 logboy
I'm not the one openly posting comments about abandoning my country to go live in a socialist state because my team lost.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 12:56:54am |
re: #115 Gus 802
Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.
And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:00:51am |
re: #196 infidel4ever
When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).
Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...
The big difference is that the requirement by the government.
Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!
Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?
The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:01:24am |
re: #198 Sharmuta
Are you paying attention to anything we are talking about? Seriously, go back up and read the thread.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:01:39am |
re: #199 The Other Les
And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.
Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X
/
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:04:16am |
re: #203 gop_patriot
Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X
/
Yeah...but at least some of them were dead.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:05:05am |
re: #202 logboy
Did you want your sacrifice to be for nothing?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:05:53am |
re: #187 rightwinger3
Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.
Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:01am |
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:41am |
This is what inspired the conservative blogosphere to rail against the organization, claiming that they knowingly submitted forms for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, and that, says Politico.com, “they are apparently Democrats."
In what ACORN president Maude Hurd admitted was an “unfortunate exaggeration,” she noted that the organization did not attempt to fix the election, and that the lion's share of the discarded.
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yma o hyd Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:07:52am |
re: #180 stonemason
I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.
This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.
Well said!
Conservatives don't need to wait for a 'One', and don't need to wait until he's spoken to actually do something.
Conservatives think and do for themselves, they don't need to wait for permission from leadres.
It will be a hard slog - but patience is the ticket here. You're not just taking on B0 and his party - you're taking on academia and the msm as well.
At least you know this - we in the Uk didn't, eleven years ago. Thats why its been taking such a long time here ...
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infidel4ever Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:08am |
re: #201 gmsc
The big difference is that the requirement by the government.
Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!
Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?
The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.
So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free? I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?
Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.
Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:17am |
logboy:
Professional lumberjack, Wounded Iraq Vet. Lost my right arm dDec. 2006 leading a convoy through Baghdad. What have you sacrificed?
I'll tell you what I haven't sacrificed- my country. You're a soldier. Fucking act like it and fight for your country, damnit.
And God bless you for your service.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:37am |
So if the MSM is trying to brace 0bama's supporters on him not being able to live up to a bunch of his campaign promises, does that mean the MSM is guilty of the 'soft racism of lowered expectations'?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:08:45am |
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:09:37am |
re: #207 BlueCanuck
Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)
I love that game. I've been in Italy for over a month now. People ask me if I've been to Venice or Rome or Pisa. Nope. I've been to Asiago though. Every home game since the season started.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:11:24am |
re: #216 rightwinger3
Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.
/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:11:28am |
re: #215 BlueCanuck
re: #205 Sharmuta
Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.
Should the "doing" include abandoning our country?
I feel it's my civic duty to tell this soldier to get a grip, stay and fight.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:12:13am |
re: #209 gmsc
Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.
Just telling the truth as I see it. You have to admit it was a little funny though.
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:14:52am |
Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:14:55am |
re: #209 gmsc
Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.
I know, it still made me laugh though. Dead is close enough to imaginary, right?
/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:36am |
re: #222 gop_patriot
/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)
For the first time this week, I might add... I need to laugh, the stress was getting to me.
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gmsc Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:40am |
re: #212 infidel4ever
So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free?
Yes. That's what "community service" is.
I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?
Last time I checked, even high school and college kids had the right to be compensated for their labor.
Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.
And you believe that making them labor against their will under threat of force is the cure to self-centeredness?
Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.
OK, so you don't agree with established precedent in 13th Amendment court cases.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:16:55am |
re: #221 UncleSam
I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:17:13am |
re: #217 BlueCanuck
Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.
/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.
Have to support the home team here rather than see the Avs or Coyotes get their asses handed to them.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:19:30am |
re: #34 gmsc
I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work. Limbaugh, for example, I've always considered to be an entertainment show, not a political one. Extending this interpretation means that Saturday Night Live, 24 and pretty much the entire Comedy Channel lineup would have to yanked or balanced.
Of course, I guess it depends on who does the deciding on who is not living up to whatever standards are emplaced. But this sort of edict seems unenforceable.
It probably can't be applied at all to cable television, which the government doesn't license.
The Internet, sadly, has already been compromised by the existence of the McCain-Feingold legislation. It hasn't been enforced yet, but this is another area to keep a very close eye on.
In other news: lots of interesting rumors floating around about possible appointments to come, including several Republican names being floated. Schwarzenneger keeps coming up as a possible cabinet appointee, in charge of some environmental-related agency. Richard Luger's name is also being tossed around quite a bit, possibly for a defense-related post. Hard to know what to make of all this, or whether it's just vaporware.
And of course, Lieberman got taken out to the woodshed by Reid yesterday. Without him, the Dems can't make their Magic 60 in the Senate, and you can bet that Reid is holding Lieberman's committee chairmanships over his head.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:21:38am |
"In six states, anyone charged with a felony, a category of crime which includes otherwise benign offences such as marijuana possession, propagation of copyrighted material, and some forms of petty theft, loses their ability to vote for life. In the state of Florida, one in four black men is denied the vote because of past history.
It is in the face of issues like this that groups like ACORN operate, and the allegations have inflamed tensions between races in America.
A Daily Kos op-ed stated that the actions against ACORN “are clearly racially motivated... what better way is there to take so many poor blacks off the rolls?”"
I know I already posted above, but I forgot to post this part. Can anyone weigh in on the accuracy of that statement?
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:23:09am |
re: #225 Fenway_Nation
I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.
It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:24:41am |
re: #165 Sharmuta
Yes'm, will do! His brother, also an engineer, was blown to pieces AT HOME for working for the kffir Emricans, and his first son shot for the same intimidating reason, so he got out.
He KNOWS Americans have good people, I'll share your concern.
Rightwinger #167: they were in trouble BEFORE Obama, and they're in a different trouble now! Bastion against Communism, we're bordered by Cambodia, Laos and near Vietnam & China... not to mention thugocracy Burma and Islamo-Malaysia!
/where's my gyros? WHAT HAPPENED to the gyroscopes?
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:25:40am |
re: #229 UncleSam
I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.
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HD Woman Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:25:41am |
re: #228 logboy [Link: felonvoting.procon.org...]
change.gov GAK! Looks like just another opportunity to compile an another email list.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:27:28am |
re: #230 Karridine
Oh.... I'm so sorry to hear that. The poor man.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:29:31am |
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:30:00am |
re: #231 Sharmuta
I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.
The people who try to get huge returns and those who panic on a downturn are usually the ones who end up losing in the long run.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:30:31am |
re: #233 Sharmuta
Its real, Sharmuta.... its WHY we served... in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... they're murderous, the world's largest prison is North Korea...
And that 'require service' garbage IS INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, and is NOT legal under the US Constitution!
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:31:06am |
re: #221 UncleSam
Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.
Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.
When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.
I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:31:49am |
re: #230 Karridine
That's awful.....yet there's people out there who would openly root for the Islamo-fascists to finish the job so they can sanctimoniously lecture us on how wrong the war in Iraq was.
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:34:39am |
re: #234 Fenway_Nation
re: #229 UncleSam
Can anyone here tell me about Garvey bonds? I hear they're floated for highway or transportation projects and might be backed by the Treasury, but I hadn't heard anything along the lines of their yield, minimum required investment or maturity dates....
I don't know anything about those bonds, but you can look them up on Yahoo Finance, which is a great resource for financial matters.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:04am |
re: #229 UncleSam
It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.
Unfortunately, a huge number of 401ks are very badly out of balance and heavily overweighted in stocks. What this means is that every rally in the market is going to be met with a huge wave of selling, as people rebalance their portfolios to position themselves as you have done all along. The downward pressure on the market is going to continue for the next few months, at least, regardless of other news.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:31am |
I'm 15 hours ahead of y'all, so I've some mid-afternoon tasks to deal with.
Back in a bit
Bit in my back
Back to back
belly to belly...
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:35:48am |
re: #239 Karridine
And to make it worse....they got exactly who they wanted in the White House come January.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:36:10am |
re: #238 Fenway_Nation
I kept saying during the debates and the infomercial that 0bama hated the Iraqis. I don't think I was wrong.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:36:46am |
re: #243 Fenway_Nation
Hard lesson coming up for them in being careful in what they wish for.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:37:08am |
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:40:24am |
re: #245 Sharmuta
Still, as Victor Hanson Davis points out, the next 90 days will be a struggle inside the Obama camp, as he purges people who actively supported him and as the remaining few/many coalesce into two fairly polarized camps:
Camp 1: Let's go full-bore left on them, before they can recover and gum up our plans!
Camp 2: Let's go centrist, so that we have a chance of being re=elected 4 years from now, and THEN shaft America!
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HD Woman Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:42:03am |
re: #237 SixDegrees
I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold.
Speaking of insane policies, what are the odds of Dems really being able to roll our 401Ks into "guaranteed" retirement accounts like Teresa Ghilarducci was suggesting? I'd like to think they couldn't get away with it... but I don't doubt them trying.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:42:54am |
re: #248 Karridine
I did read the VDH today. He's a brilliant man, and I'm glad he's on our side.
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:05am |
re: #237 SixDegrees
Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.
When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.
I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.
Yeah, the bad financial news had a lot to do with it, but I think uncertainty and trepidation about Obama's financial and tax policy was also a large factor.
I'd buy stocks/mutual funds now if I had cash to spare, but I don't, because I have to put money into home repair, as the ground is shifting in my area and I have to do preventive work, as do my neighbors, on my home's foundation and structure.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:09am |
When they're not done writing cartoon episodes depicting US Servicemen as semi-literate dullards and military recruiters trying to sign up kintergartners, I can't shake the feeling these same 'compassionate' and 'tolerant' 'progressives [gonna OD on the sneer quotes in a moment] do a little jig every time an IED hits a US convoy or some Iraqi kids in a crowded marketplace catch a faceful of white-hot shrpanel from a suicide bomber....and when they're called out on it, they self-righteously declare "Well it's Bush's war..."
Never met a Chavez, Assad or Mugabe they couldn't make excuses for, if not outright love and admire.
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:43:59am |
re: #247 TheMatrix31
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Does this mean we finally get a community garden?
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UncleSam Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:47:19am |
re: #253 logboy
Does this mean we finally get a community garden?
Yeah, they'll raise a new crop of Socialists.
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HD Woman Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:47:44am |
re: #247 TheMatrix31
So that's why the US Farm report logo looks so much like O's!
[Link: www.agweb.com...]
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Max Darkside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:54:21am |
re: #237 SixDegrees
Sorry, but I disagree. What you are seeing is the compounded effect of the economic gears slowing due to a credit crunch, a scared consumer not spending, with bad results AND with incoming bad policies. It is not a coincidence that the last two days, summing to 10% loss of market value, occurs right after the election.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:55:16am |
Comrades! You will stand for the National Anthem of the Obamanation!
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:56:01am |
re: #253 logboy
Those things might have been possible BEFORE the internet and cell-phones, but its getting more and more difficult to 'put the means of communication' into the hands of a Central Committee.
/one more reason why Socialist Communism DOESN'T WORK!
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:57:30am |
re: #254 UncleSam
Only if the PRODUCTIVE actually STAY to labor for the Obam-Elites!
What if thousands, hundreds of thousands LEAVE? Refuse to work?
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 1:59:35am |
Palestinian Militants Fire Rockets at Israel
JERUSALEM — Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip barraged southern Israel with rockets on Friday, fraying a 5-month-old truce that has been tested sorely this week.
No injuries or damage was reported in the third successive day of hostilities, and there was no immediate military response to the rocket fire. Islamic Jihad, Gaza's second-largest militant group, claimed responsibility for the attack. The Israeli military said at least three rockets were fired.
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:00:06am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:00:43am |
re: #261 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!
Thanks much and good morning to you Lil' one
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logboy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:06am |
Alright, I'm falling asleep at the puter and I have class in a few hours. My professor is an ultra liberal from chicago who grew up in the same neighborhood as Hillary Clinton. I have a feeling its going to be unbearable listening to him.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:17am |
re: #259 Karridine
Only if the PRODUCTIVE actually STAY to labor for the Obam-Elites!
What if thousands, hundreds of thousands LEAVE? Refuse to work?
The term that's popped up for that is "go John Galt".
I would expect that over time it will be shortened to "go Galt."
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:01:33am |
re: #261 littleoldlady
Ha! I was just about to ask if you'd been here this week, I've been MIA on the overnight thread lately.
Thanks for the fruitcup, you rock! :)
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FamHistoryGuy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:03:11am |
Day By Day looks interesting this morning.
Remember:Consent of the governed. Depends on everyone cooperating.
There is the President, the Vice-President and how many members of Congress? Against how many citizens? And of those, how many have served in the military or had/have family members who have?
Pi$$ off enough Americans and you will get massive civil disobedience.
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:04:05am |
re: #268 littleoldlady
Hiya! :) Glad I waited around, how are you doing? Hope you're well.
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FamHistoryGuy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:17am |
re: #261 littleoldlady
Good morning. Fruitcup is always welcome.
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:24am |
re: #272 gop_patriot
Hiya! :) Glad I waited around, how are you doing? Hope you're well.
Still processing.
/taking longer than I thought
//then again, it really shouldn't be surprising
How's by you? :-)
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:05:42am |
Good evening, Reptilia.
After giving it a lot of thought I've decided to move on from LGF before the next week is out. I just need to go through a bit of withdrawal, but cold turkey's not going to do it.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:06:30am |
re: #265 The Other Les
The term that's popped up for that is "go John Galt".
I would expect that over time it will be shortened to "go Galt."
Is that what I'm doing by planning on spending as little money as possible for the next four years? I already have a short list of things I'm cutting out of my spending habits.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:06:56am |
My my....is Hugo giving us an 0bamanomics preview?
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:08:29am |
re: #279 Sharmuta
I just feel that I'm going to be increasingly marginalized and ostracized if I hang around the losing side of things...and I've done so as far as I can recall.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:10:55am |
re: #275 Karridine
"Civilians don't fight... citizens do!"
GET ON!
Piss off enough commissars and you'll get a bloodbath.
They are going to have to do something to demonstrate that they are to be obeyed without question.
Civil war anyone?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:13:49am |
Am I tardy for fruitcup? Sorry keep getting distracted by youtube. Morning littleoldlady.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:15:23am |
Right now in the Crisis(?) Room... McCain for SecDef?
/veeeeeeeeerrrrry long shot.
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akak Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:16:01am |
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gop_patriot Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:17:29am |
re: #274 littleoldlady
Still processing.
/taking longer than I thought
//then again, it really shouldn't be surprisingHow's by you? :-)
Oh, probably the same. :/ This is the first day I've been in a good mood. My 18 yo son is really upset and stressed about the future. We've talked a lot this week, I showed him Bill Whittle's latest essay (think it's linked on this thread or the last)- that helped.
Tonight, I've been listening to Stevie Ray Vaughan, had a couple of beers (and a fruitcup!), and now I feel extremely relaxed and am ready for bed... :)
Hang in there, we will win this country back. Dude can NOT take my country from me. (((littleoldlady)))
ttyl, goodnight y'all. :)
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:18:40am |
gop! :-)
I'm kinda afraid to try alcohol therapy... ;-)
Good seeing you!
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:15am |
re: #289 littleoldlady
I did that last night. Worked for a bit...though I think I didn't apply it heavily enough.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:29am |
re: #282 The Other Les
I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...
But then I re-assess all that Obama has done, Ayers & Khalidi & Dohrn & Wright & Pelosi & Reid & MSM...
Ignorance, arrogance, the right to lie, no accountability, self-assured in their socialist-communist beliefs, gloating on their landmark scam gaming the American system...
No, I think the bitterness, naivety, ignorance and ideological poison embodied in Obama (and his team) could well trigger a convulsive, purifying civil war, uniting Americans of all color in the furnace of that conflict, Les...
No, NOT drama-queening
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akak Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:19:35am |
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:22:45am |
re: #293 littleoldlady
He's only been 'former' for a week...sheesh...
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:12am |
re: #291 Karridine
... and thinking that 'because we've WON the election, we have the police and National Guard and all, on OUR side...'
No you don't, Comrade
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akak Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:24am |
re: #291 Karridine
I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...
Ignorance, arrogance, the right to lie, no accountability, self-assured in their socialist-communist beliefs, gloating on their landmark scam gaming the American system...
McCains aides? Why Fox isn't paying millions of dollars to out those bastids is beyond me.
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FamHistoryGuy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:23:41am |
re: #282 The Other Les
Piss off enough commissars and you'll get a bloodbath.
They are going to have to do something to demonstrate that they are to be obeyed without question.
Americans will not put up with that kind of crap and will do some house cleaning.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:24:09am |
re: #291 Karridine
That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:24:59am |
Wait a minute. They fired a general manager after winning the World Series?!
/something else to process?
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:25:37am |
re: #298 laZardo
That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)
And the ENTIRE house again...toss out the bums, keep a few, CHANGE we can really freakin' believe in!
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:27:24am |
re: #299 littleoldlady
noooo...planned to leave after the season, we now have Amaro Jr.
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:28:52am |
re: #301 Stonemason
Oh. Well okay then.
/Ruben Amaro IS a name I remember. Is it the same one I remember?
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:29:08am |
re: #291 Karridine
I wonder if you're overly ... dramatic... in your assessment...
I would admit to being a cynic and a pessimist on this one.
I really do think that on both the material and spiritual level that Power is Life to those people. Their basic ideology is essentially a rejection of the principle of consent in political relations.
But I'm an unemployed pizza delivery driver, what do I know?
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:29:47am |
re: #281 laZardo
I just feel that I'm going to be increasingly marginalized and ostracized if I hang around the losing side of things...and I've done so as far as I can recall.
I guess I still don't understand.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:31:42am |
The beauty of the mid-term elections is voter turnout is usually lower, and that favors our side of the aisle.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:32:10am |
re: #298 laZardo
That's something VERY extreme to happen in 2 years (and I say that because 2/3rds of the Senate will be up for election in the midterms.)
Obama gets 'sworn in' (heh!) and starts working HIS Congress... gets the Fairiness Doctrine reinstated... gets onerous taxes passed, gets his civil thug army authorized and a couple other DOWN things before the wealth can get 'redistributed' and its not 'VERY extreme' at all, LaZardo...
Not a probability, but it IS in the American psyche to want to move the bowels of power to eliminate the poison that's discovered in DC after about a year...
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:35:02am |
re: #303 The Other Les
But what you note, what you observe Les... is their unbridled passion for power over other peoples' lives... for the greater good... WE will control YOU...
WE will redistribute YOUR wealth... you are REQUIRED to 'volunteer'... you MUST support this... Obama will FORCE YOU to enjoy his changes, hopefully...
You're spot on, Les
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:35:49am |
re: #304 Sharmuta
It's really hard to describe it exactly. The kind of people who supported Barack Obama included my contemporaries, particularly those from the "cliques" (to pick a word) that I've often been 'left out' of growing up. I thought the 'outcasts' would get the 'last laugh' in the end, but that's no longer the case. I refuse to remain 'left out' at this point in my life.
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Thingfish Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:36:11am |
re: #291 Karridine
Karridine,
This is the first election that I've followed intensely and feel very similar to you...
I'm very worried for what may happen in the future. I've studying as much as possible to get an idea of what we may have to look forward to and to say I'm scared is an understatement.
My question is what can WE do to correct this train before it heads off the well documented cliff...
I hear a lot of bellyaching and no solutions (not pointed at you, just a general statement.)
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:37:03am |
re: #307 Karridine
Obama gets 'sworn in' (heh!) and starts working HIS Congress... gets the Fairiness Doctrine reinstated... gets onerous taxes passed, gets his civil thug army authorized and a couple other DOWN things before the wealth can get 'redistributed' and its not 'VERY extreme' at all, LaZardo...
Not a probability, but it IS in the American psyche to want to move the bowels of power to eliminate the poison that's discovered in DC after about a year...
All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.
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tappin52 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:38:31am |
re: #276 laZardo
Good evening, Reptilia.
After giving it a lot of thought I've decided to move on from LGF before the next week is out. I just need to go through a bit of withdrawal, but cold turkey's not going to do it.
I hope you find the community that you seek laZardo.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:38:39am |
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:39:16am |
re: #312 laZardo
And may I add...said guests do not have to be closed to rebuttals.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:26am |
re: #310 laZardo
Whoa! So in order to conform, you're going to sacrifice your principles? I would strongly reconsider, especially in light of the fact that in a short amount of time (a year or so) you will find the climate to favor you as people are going to get a quick lesson in what happens when they get what they wish for. You have an opportunity to be able to say "I told you so".
But you are young...I can understand the desire to fit in with the crowd. I think you'll regret it later however. What good is fitting in with people who hold your principles in contempt?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:44am |
re: #312 laZardo
But are they talking guests or hosts?
/BIG difference.
//could this be used to go the other way? Hello Air America.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:40:54am |
re: #312 laZardo
This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.
You really think there's a vice-versa for the lickspittle MSM? The closest thing to a vice-versa is those 'panel' shows where it's one ineffectual token conservative getting shouted down by 3 or 4 liberals...
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:11am |
re: #311 Thingfish
I think we all need to come up with solutions. And a few of us have proposed solutions. I suggest getting involved in your local political party. Thanos has suggested getting involved with the school board in your community. We have a long road ahead of us, and much to do. Figure out your strengths and where you can make a difference and get to work.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:17am |
re: #312 laZardo
All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.
Fairness Doctrine is the wedge to clamp down on all 'enemies' of Obama. Criticism triggers a charge of "Racist! Racism!"
And having to 'construct the budgets' is YOUR (and my) way of thinking, but is NOT a requirement for Thugs-N-Thieves R Us!
With an unstoppable, rubber-stamp Congress? They crank out law after law, use force of law to force obedience, and America is in deep trouble, at the very least turmoil...
which could then be exploited by Russia, China or Iran to THEIR advantage, even if they don't physically attack America, LaZ!
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:43:59am |
re: #315 laZardo
You're not a Kos Kid 'cause of that 140 something IQ. I was a 20 something poet, union bricklayer, and staunch conservative then too. Don't fall in with group-think so you can fit in, just ignore politics as much as you can, and laugh off the rest. If 'they' don't accept you because of your politics, your PERSONAL beliefs, are 'they' the group you want to be in?
It does get better, honestly, I'm in my 40's now and some of the people that shunned me 20 years ago are the ones that come to me for political advice.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:46:49am |
re: #316 Sharmuta
Whoa! So in order to conform, you're going to sacrifice your principles? I would strongly reconsider, especially in light of the fact that in a short amount of time (a year or so) you will find the climate to favor you as people are going to get a quick lesson in what happens when they get what they wish for. You have an opportunity to be able to say "I told you so".
But you are young...I can understand the desire to fit in with the crowd. I think you'll regret it later however. What good is fitting in with people who hold your principles in contempt?
I know a lot of my Obama-supporting contemporaries are not expecting Obama to fix up eight years of damage in four (or even two) years. Maybe they're buying the "lower your expectations" line, I do not know. Chances are, they will grow up a bit to the point where they will not be that jaded with Obama after "a year or so."
You make a valid point though. Why should I fit in with people with the principles/political views I hold when they have been shown to cause more harm than good? At least I know their "lingo." And I am still at the point where I can pass off my past mistakes as youthful naivete.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:46:59am |
re: #321 Stonemason
To be 20 again! Oh- what I would do different where my peers were concerned.
Plant seeds, LaZ. Plant seeds....
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:47:47am |
re: #321 Stonemason
You're not a Kos Kid 'cause of that 140 something IQ. I was a 20 something poet, union bricklayer, and staunch conservative then too. Don't fall in with group-think so you can fit in, just ignore politics as much as you can, and laugh off the rest. If 'they' don't accept you because of your politics, your PERSONAL beliefs, are 'they' the group you want to be in?
It does get better, honestly, I'm in my 40's now and some of the people that shunned me 20 years ago are the ones that come to me for political advice.
At the most...if I can put my IQ to use, it would be through doublethink, not groupthink. But those who come to you were jaded by Carter enough to bring on Reagan. If Obama is a Carter that brings a Reagan, then maybe I can reconsider in time.
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NC State of Mind Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:03am |
re: #310 laZardo
I thought the 'outcasts' would get the 'last laugh' in the end, but that's no longer the case.
Mornin' Lazardo. You sure do stay up late. Anyway remember this: who is going to get the last laugh is a long way from being decided. Don't cede anything in the middle of the fight.
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:39am |
re: #323 Sharmuta
I wouldn't change a thing, if I did, I wouldn't be the Man I am today, and I kinda like this guy.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:48:52am |
re: #321 Stonemason
True, Stone!
We must FIND OUR VALUES, OUR PRINCIPLES... each of us, alone, for we are humans, INDIVIDUALS... and "To thine own self be true" isn't some fuzzy, huggy bear mouth-gurgle... it is an admonition of power, because IF you stop being true to what you deeply believe, you suffer...
Period.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:49:58am |
re: #322 laZardo
Kiddo- you are lucky to have the political knowledge you have at your age. They are the ones who will mature and grow out of this mindset later in life. If I were in your shoes, I would challenge them daily, be a real pain in the ass, and convert them.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:50:21am |
re: #320 Karridine
Uh...they don't have a supermajority in the Senate, and some of the ones who have been there for a while will not be as hasty as the "whippersnappers" unless they all suddenly die out in two years. Each of them will be pulling for their own state's interests - all 50 of them - as well as the national interest.
As for racism, my parents are curiously hoping that Barack Obama's presidency will inspire Black America to "upgrade" their lifestyle.
/their English isn't exactly call-center good.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:50:56am |
re: #325 NC State of Mind
He who laughs last thinks the slowest.
/obscene T-shirt wisdom at its finest.
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Tamron Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:51:23am |
re: #99 gop_patriot
Scary- and ridiculous.
No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.
Marxist bastards.
Wanna bet that Billy Ayers had, and now has, a quiet hand in this concept?
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NC State of Mind Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:52:04am |
re: #330 laZardo
He who laughs last thinks the slowest.
/obscene T-shirt wisdom at its finest.
How bout this? He who laughs last was right all along! ;)
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:52:43am |
re: #326 Stonemason
I wouldn't change my life choices that much, just wouldn't have held my tongue back then the way I did, though I've always had a knack of speaking my mind.
Who, me? Speak my mind?! Perish the thought. ;p
I just let some peers get away with their bunk more than I should have.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:15am |
re: #318 Fenway_Nation
Hence, vice-versa. Rush Limbaugh and other conservotalkers will be having a lot of fresh meat to savage.
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:21am |
Oh, and LAZ...don't fall into the trap that to be truly artistic you need to be one of the liberal folk. Remind those in your peer group that now 'speaking truth to power' is disagreeing with the group in power, and that would be the Democrats.
Your art is what you want it to be, not what you think some group wants to see.
Really, I may never sell a poem, ever, and I don't care. I refuse to write garbage because the form has been hijacked by idiots.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:53:43am |
re: #329 laZardo
IF... (and I'm agreeing with you here, LaZ) IF the Congress actually functions, bi-partisan, must seek real agreement, etc... THEN Obama is limited, edged, confined.
Les and I and others were concerned that IF Obama and Team ELIMINATE the checks & balances, its Merderous and Nasty, fast!
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:55:18am |
Just looking at some houses in the suburbs of Dallas, and WOW. These prices and houses are PHENOMENAL!
Maybe I'm just shocked at how high prices in LA are, but man....my family DEFINITELY needs to move out there pronto.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:55:40am |
re: #337 Karridine
And as I insist, it is not likely to completely fall into place in two years. Remember, Congress just makes the laws that the Courts evaluate and the President approves/enforces. If it is a branch of government that's likely to be the rubber-stamper, it will be the Judicial and Executive branches.
A presidency cannot function on Executive Orders alone.
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tappin52 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:56:07am |
re: #312 laZardo
All in two years? They still have to construct the budgets, and all the different subfactions of the Democratic Congress will still want their share. This Fairness Doctrine does not sound so threatening if it simply means getting more liberal "guests" on conservative-run shows and vice versa.
On the radio last night Mark Simone explained that under the old Fairness Doctrine rules, If something negative was said about one side a letter had to be sent to the offended party explaining the offense and offering rebuttal time. He said that it was a nightmare for the control room who had to document all remarks and then get the letters out.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:57:42am |
re: #336 Stonemason
Just because we will have a black President come January does not mean that the color of the "power" that "truth bespoke" to has exactly changed. Not that it's supposed to have any color but you get the idea. There are still the institutions and the belief systems to handle.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:59:17am |
re: #340 tappin52
Sounds like the biggest casualties of that will not necessarily be either conservatives nor liberals, but the media stations running them, from letter overload and fines. LOL.
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akak Fri, Nov 7, 2008 2:59:41am |
re: #299 littleoldlady
Wait a minute. They fired a general manager after winning the World Series?!
/something else to process?
didn't he quit?
His M.O - build a great team then leave.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:01am |
re: #335 laZardo
I suspect that even the most dense liberal would be hesitant to make an appearence on the Rush Limbaugh show (as a guest, at least. I've heard lib callers on the program before).
I think it was Hannity a few years back who had some ANSWER type on the show spouting the 'Bush lied, no WMDs' meme. (via telephone) Hannity read these statements from 'the president' on how Saddam Hussein's WMD program was more advanced than thought and that the international community has to act etc etc...
Right on cue, the ANSWER guest said 'All lies! Bush is lying!"
Hannity resonded that he was reading off a transcript of Bill Clinton's speech on the subjecy circa 1998.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:26am |
re: #342 Sharmuta
I once offered a lot of Republican/"Team Arnold" viewpoints during a forum on the 2005 Special Measures election and one of the organizers - a real "moonbat" history teacher - complimented me on being "devil's advocate" when the Team Arnold members failed to show up. I figure I can still be a proper "devil's advocate" without falling out of their favor.
/though personally...I'd just be an advocate.
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FamHistoryGuy Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:42am |
Good night all. Keyboard wants to hit me in the face.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:01:52am |
Of course- if an international crisis should arrive, as promised by Vice President-elect Gaffemeister, then who knows how much time 0bama would have to focus on domestic policy.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:08am |
re: #339 laZardo
A presidency cannot function on Executive Orders alone.
Under normal conditions, yes, but what we're examining these days is the suddenly ABNORMAL situation and ABNORMAL possibilities thrust on us by recent events...
Hope!
*spare change?*
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:17am |
re: #341 laZardo
Yeah, I know, "the man" needs to dealt with, and all those Bible thumpers too...
Do people really not understand that the institution of our government is what protects the right to speak ill of said institution?
What I meat has been bandied about recently in some circles, all those 'cutting edge' folk are really just acting in a vacuum of thier own making, practicing safe art for a captive audience. true art should create emotions in everyone, not just some percieved 'other'.
Sheesh, sorry 'bout all that, mainly I get where you are right now, really I do, and I think you will be fine. (and you will be back)
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:02:31am |
re: #345 Fenway_Nation
I suspect that even the most dense liberal would be hesitant to make an appearence on the Rush Limbaugh show (as a guest, at least. I've heard lib callers on the program before).
I think it was Hannity a few years back who had some ANSWER type on the show spouting the 'Bush lied, no WMDs' meme. (via telephone) Hannity read these statements from 'the president' on how Saddam Hussein's WMD program was more advanced than thought and that the international community has to act etc etc...
Right on cue, the ANSWER guest said 'All lies! Bush is lying!"
Hannity responded that he was reading off a transcript of Bill Clinton's speech on the subject circa 1998.
PWNED. lol
But the Fairness Doctrine could mandate that they have to join anyway...and there shall be much savaging of them.
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tappin52 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:03:28am |
re: #343 laZardo
That is exactly the point. The stations may then decide to change formats to eliminate the hassle, thereby granting the liberals what they wanted, which is silencing the biggest thorn in their side.
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:03:51am |
re: #343 laZardo
That is the idea, swamp the radio stations with fines, they will not host Conservative shows and liberal shows will be free to continue. By that I mean Stern, Opie, and the like. NPR won't be affected.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:04:30am |
re: #345 Fenway_Nation
Reminds me of a sitcom drama where a lawyer is reading "lyrics" from a rap band that he's defending. The person suing jumps up and screams that these are an example of how degenerate, etc. The person reading stops adjusts his glasses and says "Oh, sorry. I got my papers mixed up. That was Thomas Jefferson."
/quote was the tree of liberty piece.
//love nailing moonbats with that bait and switch.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:05:35am |
re: #352 tappin52
That is exactly the point. The stations may then decide to change formats to eliminate the hassle, thereby granting the liberals what they wanted, which is silencing the biggest thorn in their side.
...and we just witnessed firsthand the results of our communications media communicating THEIR OWN CHOSEN REALITY instead of objective truth... Disastrous!
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:07:16am |
Years ago (I'm talking YEARS) one of the womens' magazines had a monthly feature called, Can This Marriage Be Saved?
That's where I'm at right now. Can this country be saved? There was SO MUCH negative out there about Obama that even with the media running interference SOMETHING should have filtered through to more people. What I'm discovering is, I think a lot of them knew, but engaged in The Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
I'm feel as though I'm stuck in the middle of yet another remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers...
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tappin52 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:08:18am |
See laZardo, we really are the community you want.
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jim in virginia Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:08:21am |
Story out this morning that North Korea is prepaerd to "deal with" the new Obama administration.
How reassuring.
Morning lizards!
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:09:59am |
re: #351 laZardo
PWNED. lol
But the Fairness Doctrine could mandate that they have to join anyway...and there shall be much savaging of them.
Ha ha....I could see them quaking and wetting their pants howling "I DON'T WANNA GOOOOOOOO!" as they're loaded up into the car to drive off to so-and-so's studio, remembering how the last lib that set foot in there got turned into mincemeat.
Then again, I can imagine the most staunch conservative trying to down a fistful of sleeping pills if they were obligated to show up because the fairness doctorine was applied to this.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:06am |
re: #356 littleoldlady
I'm feel as though I'm stuck in the middle of yet another remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers...
Maybe, but at least people in this world have a chance to wake up. Let's hope it's not to late for them. And us.
/Oh, and if anyone out there is wondering why I comment on the American politics. It's because anything that happens down there, affects stuff up here. Like Trudeau said, "It's like sleeping with and elephant."
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:17am |
Remember "The Matrix"?
When we have a simulated reality hooked into our Nervous System, we cannot tell the difference between that simulation and 'reality'... then if we're 'killed' by software, we become dead in this real world...
When our MSM feed us a false reality, in a frequent, regular, concerted manner, it is NOT amazing that we (Americans) will make decision based on that lie, AS IF it were not a cunning simulation...
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rightside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:23am |
re: #359 jim in virginia
More lying, obfuscating, and asshattery!
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Stonemason Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:10:48am |
re: #356 littleoldlady
As my father likes to say: "Humans are creatures of extremeism"
We are just in one of those pendulum swings, som many people bought into the meme that Bush was such a failure we couldn't even think of electing another Republican. The reality is that Bush was not a failure, and even if he was McCain was not Bush. No one took the time to think that through and now we are where we are, waiting to see how Mr. Obama works out.
It's not gonna be all that bad, too many checks as pointed out by Lazardo, not enough time.
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Tamron Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:11:02am |
Just got this in an email. The text was centered on the page, so if you email it around, format it with the text centered:
PSALM 2008-2012
FIRST BOOK OF REPUBLICAN:LORD OBAMA IS MY SHEPHERD,
I MUST NOT WANT
(MATERIAL THINGS)HE LEADETH ME BESIDE
(STILL FACTORIES)HE RESTORETH MY FAITH
(IN THE GRAND OLD PARTY)HE GUIDETH ME ALONG THE PATH
(OF UNEMPLOYMENT)MIGHTILY CONTENT
(THAT WE ARE NOW ALL EQUALLY POOR)YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY
(OF THE SHADOW OF THE BREAD LINE)I SHALL FEAR NO
(OPPRESSED MINORITY OR ILLEGAL ALIEN)FOR VERILY,
LORD OBAMA WILL BLESS THEM
AND
EASE THEIR HEAVY BURDEN
(OF MISSING AMBITION AND FREELOADER WORK-ETHIC)AND I WILL BE SAVED
(FROM THUGS AND PILLAGING)
BY LORD OBAMA
(AND HIS BENEVOLENT CIVILIAN PEACEKEEPING ARMY)ALL ARE WELCOME
(TO BELLY UP TO AMERICA'S BIG TROUGH)NONE ARE TURNED AWAY
(EXCEPT HARD-WORKING ENTREPRENEURS)EACH DESERVES HIS FAIR SHARE
(OF THE GROSSLY EVIL FRUITS OF CAPITALIST AMERICA'S LABOR)OBAMA ANOINTS
(MY INCOME WITH TAXES)MY COMPANY'S EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER
(UNLESS I OUT-SOURCE MY SERVICES)A LIFE OF EASE AND PROSPERITY
(WILL AVOID ME ALL OF MY DAYS)BEHOLD, I WILL LIVE FOREVER
(IN A RENTED HOME),BOTHERED BY NO THING
(AS MUCH AS MY COUNTRY'S STAGGERING DEBT
TO FUTURE GENERATIONS)VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO THEE
IT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
THAT
LORD BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
HAS BEEN CHOSEN AS THE SAVIOR OF A TROUBLED USA.===============================================
IT'S HIS FIRST JOB, SO FOR GOD'S SAKE, WATCH HIM LIKE A HAWK!
===============================================
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:12:35am |
re: #350 Stonemason
Actually, I'm specifically in the major of Industrial Design. Meaning I'll be designing products people use, and after Graduate Studies (hopefully), the cars people drive. While "individuality" may be required to help make a name, a degree of conformity is also required so that the products are "sellable.'
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jim in virginia Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:13:13am |
re: #356 littleoldlady
I heard an analysis that made sense- turnout was not much bigger than 2004, but a lot of Republicans did not vote, and a lot of new voters came out for Obama.
My take: Churchill lost the first election after WW2; Bush 1 lost after Gulf War 1. Win a war, lose an election. The economy didn't help Republicans, plus it s hard to compete against a half billion dollar campaign budget.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:14:29am |
re: #362 Karridine
I agree. But I think there is no amount of spin and distortion that's going to be able to cover for the coming disaster that will be the next administration. I think we might see one of the biggest cluster f*cks in history coming down the pike, and quickly. The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people. What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.
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summergurl Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:15:57am |
All I can say to BO after winning this election is '
"Good Luck with that".
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:44am |
re: #367 jim in virginia
{My Rove}
I've been on the losing end of an election before, when "my guy" didn't win.
This is different. This time my country lost.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:49am |
re: #352 tappin52
The only reason I could agree with that is because "liberal" stations are currently more moneyed.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:16:57am |
re: #367 jim in virginia
My take: Churchill lost the first election after WW2; Bush 1 lost after Gulf War 1. Win a war, lose an election. The economy didn't help Republicans, plus it s hard to compete against a half billion dollar campaign budget.
Except we have the lickspittles and quislings in the media assuring us that we lost both wars. Or if we are winning, the cost is too high in lives and money....
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Moe Katz Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:17:43am |
Morning Goddess
LaZardo:
You sound too bright to become a lefty for social reasons. You'd go nuts trying to conform.
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littleoldlady Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:20am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
If they believed it was all "George Bush's fault" for the past 8 years, what's stopping them from believing it for another 4 (or godforbid 8) years?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:22am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.
Whatever the crisis is, they'll insist that it's blowback from eight years of plicy failure by the Bush administration.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:23am |
re: #370 goddessoftheclassroom
Good morning goddess. Ready to take on and change the world today?
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:18:41am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
Well, you're right. But THAT's where I came into this, fuster-clucking new-guy socialist suit and all...
The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people.
EGGS Ackley! When its too big, too abrupt, too murderous to HIDE, THAT is when the japery and puppetry become public, bigtime...
Ahh... well... dinner time in early-dark suburban Bangkok... Seize yawl tomorrow...
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Moe Katz Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:19:54am |
re: #380 Karridine
Ahh... well... dinner time in early-dark suburban Bangkok... Seize yawl tomorrow...
One of those delicious Thai sloops, no doubt.
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jim in virginia Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:18am |
re: #319 Sharmuta
Upding! (except the upding is broken.)
Dems ran against Bush in 2002, 2004 and 2006. They offerrd nothing except that they were not GWB. We can run agianst Obama, Reid and Pelosi but the GOP has to offer an alternative. What are we FOR?
My short answer: National security. I pray Obama understands the concept but I have serious doubts.
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rightside Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:21am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
I completely disagree with you on that. You've not seen anything yet as far as spin goes. Chris Mathews the other day, said “I want to do everything I can to make … this new presidency work” Anything, and I mean anything bad that happens will be spun as 8 yrs of Bush's failed policies of the past, and don't you just know it, it's going to take two terms to straighten out the mess that Bushco left us.
And he will have the full support of the MSM, which will do his bidding. Nothing will stop him.
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Karridine Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:20:47am |
re: #381 Moe Katz
Hey, Moe! You're sharp on the uptake, Kiddo! :D
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Moe Katz Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:08am |
re: #385 Karridine
Hey, Moe! You're sharp on the uptake, Kiddo! :D
Bad sinuses keeping me awake, at least the brain functions.
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summergurl Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:26am |
re: #378 Fenway_Nation
Whatever the crisis is, they'll insist that it's blowback from eight years of plicy failure by the Bush administration.
Exactly! It will continue to be an "inheritance" for as long as they are in the office.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:31am |
re: #376 Moe Katz
Morning Goddess
LaZardo:
You sound too bright to become a lefty for social reasons. You'd go nuts trying to conform.
For reasons relating to my inability to socialize (has to do with Asperger's Syndrome, working on that), I already have been diagnosed as "nuts."
How bad could it get if I cure that inability?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:21:43am |
re: #386 jim in virginia
{goddess}
Dogs rule, cats drool....
Oooooh, you're in for it now jim. :D
/sitting back to watch the fur fly.
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Moe Katz Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:24:25am |
re: #389 laZardo
For reasons relating to my inability to socialize (has to do with Asperger's Syndrome, working on that), I already have been diagnosed as "nuts."
How bad could it get if I cure that inability?
Just be yourself. Politics isn't the only way to have a common bond with people.
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:24:32am |
re: #249 HD Woman
Speaking of insane policies, what are the odds of Dems really being able to roll our 401Ks into "guaranteed" retirement accounts like Teresa Ghilarducci was suggesting? I'd like to think they couldn't get away with it... but I don't doubt them trying.
I suspect the uproar from middle America would shake the foundations of the White House.
Whether the White House would care about that, I have no idea.
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:25:06am |
re: #386 jim in virginia
{goddess}
Dogs rule, cats drool....
{jim in virginia}
{sharmuta, BlueCanuck, rightside, Moe Katz...}
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:26:28am |
re: #362 Karridine
That's an interesting point.
The Media in the context of a political contest has a similar to that of a witness in a criminal trial. By committing perjury the witness prevents the jury from issuing a correctly informed verdict. The results of which are wrong, such as the conviction of an innocent individual, and could be disastrous, like the acquittal of a murderous psychopath. Thus the act of perjury must be treated as a punishable crime.
Similarly, when the Media misinforms the electorate the result can be disastrous. Such as the election on an individual who is philosophically and experientially unfit to hold the office.
But we're not supposed to hold reporters and publishers responsible for those destructive actions.
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tappin52 Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:26:29am |
Here's what I worry about. Obama's successes have come when he operates within the circles of his "comfort zone". He, in his own words from his memoir, chose his friends carefully (all bad). He did not organize and motivate a group of diverse people, they were all of similar circumstance. His election victory was, as I see it, an anomaly. A weird convergence of his rabid organization intersecting with an opportunity for another force in the populace wishing to excise a racial scar. When he tries to herd the cats into his version of Utopia, how is he going to manage the non-compliant?
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NC State of Mind Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:24am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
I agree. But I think there is no amount of spin and distortion that's going to be able to cover for the coming disaster that will be the next administration. I think we might see one of the biggest cluster f*cks in history coming down the pike, and quickly. The economy and an international crisis doubling up on him will be pretty hard to obfuscate for long from the American people. What's the press going to do? They can't hid the economy and the rest of the world from us.
But they are already setting up the narrative that any failures will be the result of lingering policies of the Bush administration. I am half inclined to agree with you though, that the failures will be so great, that even a blind man could see them.
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The Other Les Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:27am |
PIMF!
Let's try this again...
The Media in the context of a political contest has a function similar to that of a witness in a criminal trial. By committing perjury the witness prevents the jury from issuing a correctly informed verdict. The results of which are wrong, such as the conviction of an innocent individual, and could be disastrous, like the acquittal of a murderous psychopath. Thus the act of perjury must be treated as a punishable crime.
Similarly, when the Media misinforms the electorate the result can be disastrous. Such as the election on an individual who is philosophically and experientially unfit to hold the office.
But we're not supposed to hold reporters and publishers responsible for those destructive actions.
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laZardo Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:27:30am |
re: #394 Moe Katz
Definitely...though it's just that a good amount of Obama's supporters were the kind of my contemporaries that one would classify as "the in crowd." The trendy, wannabe rockstars and all. What made this victory particularly discouraging was that both my little bros are part of that 'crowd' (but not in the emo subcategory...emos are my personal scum of the earth.)
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SixDegrees Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:06am |
re: #382 jim in virginia
Upding! (except the upding is broken.)
Dems ran against Bush in 2002, 2004 and 2006. They offerrd nothing except that they were not GWB. We can run agianst Obama, Reid and Pelosi but the GOP has to offer an alternative. What are we FOR?
My short answer: National security. I pray Obama understands the concept but I have serious doubts.
I would add another item: government that leaves it's citizens alone and doesn't intrude on their private lives. I think this will be a big selling point shortly.
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opnion Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:09am |
Brent Bozell now on FNC bashing McCain campaign people who are leaking stories about Palin. He is claiming that they are cowards for not doing it in the open & he doubts the veracity of the innuendos.
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Sharmuta Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:39am |
re: #400 NC State of Mind
Nope- the Lizards have spoken. We're fucked.
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Moe Katz Fri, Nov 7, 2008 3:28:41am |
re: #402 laZardo
Definitely...though it's just that a good amount of Obama's supporters were the kind of my contemporaries that one would classify as "the in crowd." The trendy, wannabe rockstars and all. What made this victory particularly discouraging was that both my little bros are part of that 'crowd' (but not in the emo subcategory...emos are my personal scum of the earth.)
Pardon an old fogey---what's an emo?
