Here

So, I was talking to myself the other night...

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Here

Hear, hear!

...and I suddenly heard a knock at the door...

As long as you don't argue with yourself you'll be fine.

...and it was Moe Katz, carrying a DEAD BODY?

Here ...AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?

Getting ready for bed and am thinking silly thoughts.

Like taking the news footage of the upcoming inauguration and playing it to the theme music from "The Jeffersons"

re: #7 Nightwatch

Here ...AND PRESENT...
thought you were going to bed Walter?

Er, that wasn't me. I just got in from work at 11:30. I'm trying to wind down.

And...?

What did he do with the dead body?

re: #11 wolfie

What did he do with the dead body?

It was part of a zombie boxed lunch.

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

Present.

Another wonderful night on the town. Wassup? Just got back in.

re: #13 Meremortal

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

The future sure ain't what it used to be.

re: #14 Pvt Bin Jammin

Barry? Is that you?

re: #15 rawmuse

Just got back in myself.

Here is a phony article I posted on a article thread on MSNBC last year...

I found this article on Advertisers Forum Press, a internet based website trade journal. After I clipped and pasted the text of the article, I went back to the site to clip and paste the URL, but the article had already been taken down. If anyone else saw this article and knows the original link, please post it here. Until then, here is the text.

AFP (4-19-2007) Advertisers Forum Press has learned that NBC/MSNBC has announce a pre-slotted advertising buy campaign that will air during news segments that cover any future national tragedies such as the Vtech massacre.

Lloyd Johnson, a VP of sales at NBC/MSNBC, outlined the new advertising program. “Since it is apparent that NBC/MSNBC will now become the go to network for psychotic mass murderers and other such deranged individuals, it only seemed natural that we give our loyal advertisers a chance to get a jump on their competitors. These pre-slotted sales will enable advertisers to purchase air time that will run against any future news broadcasts of incidents like Vtech and Columbine. The advertiser won’t even have to make a phone call to the network. We will automatically select a current running ad that belongs to the client and place it into the ad rotation.”

When asked about the possibility of placing misappropriate ads into the air slots, Mr. Johnson quipped “Well, we certainly will review the selected ads to make sure that the contents would not put our advertisers in a bad light. I mean… we would be careful not to place a hamburger franchise ad up against a story about an employee going postal in a meat packing plant. After all, NBC/MSNBC is known for it’s sensitivity.”

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

The dead body is mine and I must put it to bed. 'Night all.

Everybody that is any good at jazz is dead. Even the live ones.
Some would kill for it.

re: #13 Meremortal

I thought nobody came here anymore, it's too crowded.

-Yogi Berra

Hey, Mere, what are you doing next Wed. night. Email me, I have something to tell you about.

re: #17 wolfie

LOL

re: #20 Nightwatch

Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

Were they "high fiven" it during procedures?

re: #7 Nightwatch

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.

That's really profound.

High fives are out. Fist bumps are in.

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Roger.

What if they had an open thread and none of the avatars came?

Avatars get turned off again? I am back for a bit. Got sucked into a Connections channel on youtube. Given me some great material to work an essay on. 1978, was a great year, and since it was pre-global warming it has some excellent material to hit people over the head with.

/heh heh heh heh. *very evil grin*

re: #30 Fenway_Nation

LOL

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

I haven't seen any massive partying in the streets as reported by every news agency in the world.

No Europeans have raced up to me and planted a big wet kiss on me as European men are prone to do...especially to other men.

What I have seen is life goes on as normal. Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap about 0bama or any other person we Americans elect as president? Could it be that Europeans don't give a crap what the US does at all? The Democrat Party would be sad indeed if they have seen what I've seen. I was hoping for at least a free beer...that's 5 Euros!

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

Bigger news than the election results is what's coming next: Specifically, the so-called Fairness Doctrine. On Election Day, a Fox News host interviewed Senator Chuck Schumer of New York. Schumer made it plainly clear that the strengthened Democratic congressional majority plans to reinstate the Doctrine next year. This would require radio stations to take conservative radio hosts off the air unless they do the impossible: Find liberal radio hosts with comparable numbers of viewers. It's censorship without having to call it censorship. The Fox host asked Senator Schumer how he can justify doing this to a private, for-profit radio station operating without any government funds. Schumer's response was chilling. He said: "The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air. I am for that… But you can’t say government hands off in one area to a commercial enterprise but you are allowed to intervene in another."

Schumer wants to extend censorship beyond the marginal area of pornography to the much more serious area of ideas and political speech. Will opponents of the Orwellian-Randian sounding "Fairness Doctrine" rise to call it what it is? Will there be the equivalent of a Boston Tea Party in defense of free speech? Or will freedom of speech die in the United States of America without a wimper?

Here's what this is really about: Dissension. The new face of modern-day liberalism is one of intolerance -- specifically, intolerance of all dissension. For decades now, we have seen this attitude among liberal intellectuals on college campuses who use federal funds and federal regulations to keep out any opinion which departs from left-wing orthodoxy. Now, that mentality has at last arrived in Congress and at the White House.

This very column you are reading -- though not as high-profile as Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity -- is just one example of dissension. Dissension is all over the Internet, cable and broadcast media, and all throughout the land. Where will dissension be after 4-8 years of the new regime now moving into Washington DC?

Stay tuned -- while you still can.

Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...

re: #20 Nightwatch

Well I'm up and not too pleased tonight, had to spend 12 hours in an E.R with high fiven O bamanots...pain...much pain

Hope everything is okay, E. R. wise. I've had nothing but the "high fiving Obamanites" too, until tonight. Our young republican friends came in tonight to our local restaurant. What a nice break.

Ah, the overnight thread is here. Now I can go to bed.

Weet dreams, fellow lizards... :D

G'Night, NomadOfNorad!

re: #33 rightwinger3

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

What country?

Walking with the missus and one of the Akitas tonight when we passed a 7-11. As usual, some teen/young adult was playing their car radio very loud. it was an African American female who yelled Obama as she walked out of the store. She drove out the parking lot past us and shouted to me and the missus "Obama" . It sounded more like a shout of joy--but there was a bit of a nose rubbing edge in her voice.

I am resolved that should I ever hear another AA shout such a thing, I will, in polite company, reply "Gesundheit". In less polite company, I'll say what David Allen Grier said on "Chocolate News"; "Don't fuck it up."

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now it's down to 26 degrees, and the winds are gusting up to 30 miles per hour. All we need now is...

Snow is racist.

re: #28 rawmuse

High fives are out. Fist bumps are in.

What's that? Fisting is in?

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

re: #42 calcajun

What's that? Fisting is in?

Only if you are in the government, and only to the taxpayers and rich folk.

re: #41 Sharmuta

Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.

/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.

re: #37 NomadOfNorad

Nite, 'weet dreams. I am not long for the world either.

re: #41 Sharmuta

Snow is racist.

Hey, I'm 18 miles from Boulder. Our snow is a rainbow of color, happy little snowflakes, we save everyone of them, in our freezers, and take them out in the summer...

re: #34 gmsc

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

Everyone go and Digg that article. I just did.

re: #45 Gus 802

Only if it's a white out that lead to a black out.

/And no building snow MEN. They're snow PEOPLE now.

Not the ones I build. You'd be amazed what you can do with carrots and some briquettes.

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Look, I have sinned(Flamed) and have just plain been metered-pegged wrong some times, but I have always taken my return flame without flinching from the baking!

I will say it, I will not go to a bunker and wait out this storm.

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

What country?

Italy.

re: #33 rightwinger3

I imagine the majority of Euros who may have given a shit about 0bama were of the Sgrena ilk or Bader-Meinhoff hangers-on.

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.

Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.
yeah, san francisco sucks.

Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.

Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.

re: #43 stonemason

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

It's dugg.

re: #54 calcajun

Hell. I'm still walking at night in a t-shirt and shorts here in San Diego.

Yeah, California sucks.

re: #46 rawmuse

Well, I hate to rub it in, but it is 60 out right now, and all the young darlings were out on the street in their flimsy apparel.

yeah, san francisco sucks.

+
*young darlings*? *San Francisco sucks?*

Do you have to be so graphic?

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

Everyone go and Digg that article. I just did.

Dugg before I posted it!

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

re: #58 rawmuse

Yeah, California sucks.

California is a vacuum cleaner?

/

re: #52 rightwinger3

I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Sorry about that. I LOVE THE WINTER. There is not a better time of the year to cuddle, curl up on the couch with your honey, and watch the world slide by on the street outside you window.

Now, I guess I need to work on the honey part.

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

re: #61 mean Gene

Is Kim Jong Il dead?
Fauxtogaph examined here is interesting.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Look at all 3.
They close in on the fakery.

Jong is a god. His umbra is not natural. Easy explaination.

re: #61 mean Gene

Those are the most ill fitting pants I have ever seen. I mean on the 2 guys adjacent to Dear Leader. Looks like a 44 inseam being worn by with 28" legs.

re: #33 rightwinger3

Rightwinger,
I'm not in Europe. I'm normally in Japan. I happen to be currently in the US on vacation and suffering from jetlag. But to add to your comment. While in the Tokyo/Narita airport I saw a newsreport of Japanese celebrating the victory of Obama. The location was a little town named "Obama" so I'm sure of that... (they are so superficial sometimes.). So I think there may be pockets of people worldwide pulling for Obama. But I doubt it is as widespread as it will
inevitably be reported.

re: #52 rightwinger3

Italy.

Wow...right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.

nite all.

Must...pass...out...

weet dreams

re: #63 Meremortal

I go there almost every year. Love it. Whereabouts are ya?

Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.

re: #40 calcajun

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I think that Obama has a golden opportunity... I'm very afraid that he will f*ck it up.

WHAT dreams ?...Oh, I see. Its late, double vision here !

re: #70 RememberSekhmet?

WHAT dreams ?...Oh, I see. Its late, double vision here !

/fixed.

re: #64 rightwinger3

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

I have been in Leadville in the dead of winter. Granted, not there to stay, but I have spent a week there. Still loved it.

And my moonbat ex-girlfriend of two year back had a house in Russel Gulch, which is sitting at 9000 feet, right above Central City. Russel Gulch is a ghost town, gold mining ghost town. Most of the town faces east, against the up slope, you can see all the way down to Blackhawk.

Really brisk up there.

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Wow...right where I was facetously planning to exile myself! Before I crunched the numbers and figured the Adriatic/Dalmatia reigon in Croatia might be significantly less pricey.

Fenway, it's very expensive here. It's a great place to visit on the company dime though.

Leftover... I'm surely enroute to double vision, but hanging fine... Dealing with jetlag.

re: #26 Moe Katz

The fight is on, Moe, you must know this, the fight is ON! America lives or dies in the next four years. Not a comic book, not a sit-com, not a made for TV movie or blogg tag . I am going all the way with this! Charles, back me, or ban me!

re: #64 rightwinger3

Walter, When I lived in Denver I loved the winter as well. You know what cured me of that? Spending 3 winters in Leadville. Check it out and you too will move to AZ. A Red State by the way.

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

re: #76 rightwinger3

My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

I have been there, but it was a long time ago. Tito was in power. The Adriatic coast (Split and Dubrovnik) were absolutely gorgeous, very much like southern California in terms of weather and food. The old town of Dubrovnik was very nice. I hear the war was not kind to Dubrovnik. I wonder what it is like today.

It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.

I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.

A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.

re: #79 logboy

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.

And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.

Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.

But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

Here's some hope and change for you...

Barack Obama will require students to partake in 50 of community service in middle and high school and 100 hours in college.

Via LGF Quick Links.

Don't think for a minute that this won't include some kind of indoctrination:

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

At one time in our history church groups would volunteer to assist their community.

Now, we have the Church of Obama.

Maybe this helps explain the sudden surge in firearm sales.

Related... This was timely.

Claudia Rosett wrote more about Obama's ideas that subordinate individual freedom to the collective.

This is getting a little scary.

re: #71 rightwinger3

Vicenza. It's great so far! I think I've been drunk twice wine tasting and still haven't bought any wine. So that's cool anyway.

Bravo!

That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!

re: #79 logboy

Hitting up CO for a snowboarding trip first week in Jan. Can't wait!

Excellent logboy! I love CO and I could do the mountains and snow for a weekend or so but any more than that...I'll have to see how snowboards do on the Dunes!

Heading off myself, bon nuit.

Wish I could stick around with my Lizard friends but I am exhausted. Take care, all.

re: #85 Meremortal

Bravo!

That is the wife's favorite city. It takes 3 tries to post, so I'm off to bed. Buona Notte!

Yeah my wife loves it too. It's right in the middle of everything. Buona Notte!

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

I haven't hit the slopes since around 1968 in New Jersey (yes, there is skiing in Jersey). Move here in 1989, never got back on skis.

And I really wouldn't be interested in heading for the slopes in the winter here. Just to damn crowded for my tastes.

Some folks like spending 5 hours to drive 100 miles. Bumper to bumper traffic on I70, a lot of times snow packed, accidents shutting down the interstate, PRICES REALLY HIGH.

But, that's me, I hope you enjoy your time here. The ski industry is a big money maker for the state.

I got hooked by the Vail Veterans Program 3 months after I got blown up in Iraq. Now I'm totally into it. Especially since I can't snowmobile anymore.

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

My understanding was that it was pretty pricey even when they had the lira, too.

That's Europe I guess, but hey they have "free" health care here!

re: #82 esch

It's official, I work next to a crazy. Talking to him today about zer0 and the impending financial disaster. I laid out to him how high taxation and trying to 'punish the rich' would destroy companies, eliminate jobs and cause 20% employment to precisely the people who were hoping to better their situation. His response? 'I'm OK with that'. I wanted to slap the slight smirk off his face.

I did two better though. I explained how the really rich (the ones he hates) could not be 'punished' in the manner he desires, and are now moving assets out of teh country and would really not suffer too much hardship. Boy he didn't like that. I then followed up with the Rahm steak-knife story, and every time I plunged the imaginary knife into the desk, his eyes got a little wider and a little wider. He responded 'Interesting', and fled. This from an MIT grad.

A miniscule victory, but I'll take what I can get right now.

Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").

Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".

Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".

Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"

He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.

re: #84 gmsc

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.

re: #81 rawmuse
Oh been there too...97 with the OP-FOR tanks, jeeps, 50 cal, UN observation posts with NO-BODY HOME, unusual green fields on the [bigoted word] side (GOOD FERTILIZER) went all the way up past MOSTAR, but yes that Adriatic coast...Malibu is a freaking South-Central by comparison...

re: #81 rawmuse

Dubrovnik was able to dust itself off to a large extent, but further inland (along the Danube) Vukovar has yet to recover to this day...

re: #94 logboy

Huzzah!

Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.

re: #84 gmsc

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

Do you suppose that matters to the liberals who now inhabit the halls of congress and the WH?

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Let's not worry about that too much, it's an old outdated negative-rights document, nothing to see here, move along.

re: #91 FortunateSon

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

Yes, actually.

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Mandatory community service of 50 hours in high school and 100 hours in college is a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

But will the ACLU champion that?

/not holding my breath

re: #103 Sharmuta

That's what I like to hear!

re: #93 gmsc

Oh I have a whole list of items to hit him with. Good scenario though, I'll put it on the list. My main weapon in reserve (considering how much he bitches about Wall St fat cats) is explaining how most of the really wealthy on Wall St are democrats. That'll make his head explode.

How about an organized inauguration protest like they did with Bush? It wouldn't be easy and it would be popular but what the hey.

re: #91 FortunateSon

Hey how's everybody feeling tonight? Gearing up for a fight?

Exactly as we should be:

A FLAG, ON A HILL (Excerpt from second half)
by Bill Whittle

Battles don’t always go that way. But sometimes they do. It depends on whether the individual soldier still has any fight in him.

It has been a source of delight for me these past few days to see nothing but evidence of this, all across our defeated lines. Nowhere have I heard a shred of defeatism or despair. On the contrary. In point of fact, the magnanimity and graciousness I have seen in defeat in so many places on the right tells me that this is a eager and seasoned army, one able to look defeat in the face and own up to the errors in tactics and strategy that got us there. And nowhere do I see a call to abandon our core principles and sue for terms, but rather that our loss was caused precisely by our abandonment of the issues we which hold dear and which have served us so well on battlefields past.

So consider this, my fellows in arms:

On Tuesday, the Left – armed with the most attractive, eloquent, young, hip and charismatic candidate I have seen with my adult eyes, a candidate shielded by a media so overtly that it can never be such a shield again, who appeared after eight years of a historically unpopular President, in the midst of two undefended wars and at the time of the worst financial crisis since the Depression and whose praises were sung by every movie, television and musical icon without pause or challenge for 20 months… who ran against the oldest nominee in the country’s history, against a campaign rent with internal disarray and determined not to attack in the one area where attack could have succeeded and who was out-spent no less than seven-to-one in a cycle where not a single debate question was unfavorable to his opponent – that historic victory, that perfect storm of opportunity…

Yielded a result of 53%

Folks, we are going to lick these people out of their boots.

There is much to do. That a man with such overt Marxist ideas and such a history of association with virulent anti-Americans can be elected President should make it crystal clear to each of us just how far we have let fall the moral tone of this Republic. The great lesson from Ronald Reagan was simply that we can and must gently educate as well as campaign, and explain our ideas with smiles on our faces and real joy in our hearts, for unlike the far-left radical who gained the Presidency on Tuesday, we start with 150 million of the most free and intelligent and hard-working people in the history of the Earth at our backs, with a philosophy that -- unlike theirs, which has resulted in 100 million dead in unmarked graves -- has liberated and enriched more people and created more joy than any nation or combination of nations in our history.

How can we lose this greater fight, my friends? How can we lose, unless we give up?

Read the whole thing.

re: #106 esch

Ask him how much he has/had in his 401k, his parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.. Whose money is in Wall st? The fat cats managing the funds and stocks are rich, but most of the stock market is built on money from the middle class.

/another nail in his coffin of ideology.

re: #100 Emperor Norton

Free versus unfree labor

Labor is defined as work of economic or financial value. Unfree labor, or labor not willingly given, is obtained in a number of ways:

* causing or threatening to cause serious harm to any person;
* physically restraining or threatening to physically restrain another person;
* abusing or threatening to abuse the law or legal process;
* knowingly destroying, concealing, removing, confiscating or possessing any actual or purported passport or other immigration document, or any other actual or purported government identification document, of another person;
* blackmail;
* causing or threatening to cause financial harm [using financial control over] to any person.*

I can see several ways that the 0 administration could violate this amendment.

/*or state/school district/school...
//did I mention, Marxist bastards? UGH

re: #56 gmsc

"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."

re: #99 gop_patriot

not to be cantankerous but many high schools already require 'community service' to graduate. I had a Junior in the Little Leage Snack Bar all summer last year, and many of the assistant coaches are High School players getting the service in. This is nothing new.

Middle school on the other hand is just wrong. College age would be illegal under the 13th.

Oh, and my kids do more hours than that every year through the Scouts and our church, so Mr. President Elect isn't gonna get his pound from us.

re: #94 logboy

Hey Obama... this is one college student telling you to go f-ck yourself.

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

So I'll leave ya now, but RAW MUSE sure as I live, CLINTON was the fool who let the [bigoted word]s grab a foothold into the western EU. Take it to the bank HOSS!

Hope ya sleep well.

Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.

re: #113 TheMatrix31

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

i'm not in college these days, but i will be soon and Juggy? you can go fuck yourself, and the WHB too.

PS: you're still not my president.

re: #111 redc1c4

DUDE! YA KNOW RAYMOND?

re: #112 stonemason

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this currently something decided upon by the school district on an individual basis? At most, it is a state requirement. That is dramatically different than a mandate from the Federal Government...

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.

re: #119 esch

Already have. The stubborn is strong in this one.

There's a really fine line between stubborn and dipshit. Has he crossed this line?

re: #117 Nightwatch

DUDE! YA KNOW RAYMOND?

evidently not, since youre reference escapes me.

Anyone else from Michigan here?

I thought this was a joke at first. A sick, sick joke. He can't do any better than Jennifer F-ing Granholm? At least she'll never be president (she's Canadian).

re: #118 FortunateSon

More than likely it would another mandate from the feds tied in with federal funding to the schools. No doubt the types of service would be politicized by the schools in questions.

And which way do most schools lean? Left. So, there would be a push to define this service into leftist endeavors.

re: #120 rightwinger3

Well, he did grad from arguably the best engineering school in teh country, and he's still listening attentively and respectfully, so I'm still trying. I just need to wean him off Stewart/Colbert for about a year.

During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the Machine. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008

words for new new reality:

"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."

re: #93 gmsc

Ask him if he's glad the rich are being punished because the Republicans are considered to be the party of the rich (I can already hear him saying "yes").

Ask him if part of the reason he voted Democrats was because they're the party of the poor. No doubt, he'll give you another "yes".

Then, ask him, "So, if Republicans are the party of the rich, they have to get and keep as many constituents as rich as possible, right?" He should give you his third "yes".

Finally, ask him, "So, it makes just as much sense that the Democrats have to get and keep as many constituents as poor as possible, doesn't it?"

He won't answer, and you'll get your quiet time.

It won't work @ 3. Moonbat will retort that the Republicans turn to social issues to divide and exploit the poor. "Opiate of the masses".

re: #118 FortunateSon

‘‘(10) Community service programs that use qualified school
personnel to train and mobilize young people to measurably
strengthen their communities through nonviolence, responsibility,
compassion, respect, and moral courage.

Part of the No Child Left Behind Act

High school kids have been forced to do this for some time, at the behest of the Federal Government...which has NO MANDATE regarding public education to begin with, maybe we should start there.

re: #99 gop_patriot

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

Yea verily. Thought I saw something about "Involuntary Servitude" in the Constitution once?

re: #125 flutesnoot

During last summer's Lollapalooza festival, there was a rumor that Obama was going to show up at the Chicago venue to possibly introduce Kanye West, Wilco, or Rage Against the Machine My Allowance. He didn't show up and Zack de la Rocha mentioned the rumor onstage during their set. "We know brother Obama. But I tell you what, if he comes to power come November, and he doesn't start pulling troops out of Afghanistan, I know a lot of people who are gonna stand up and burn down every office of every senator."
So, you got that to look forward to.
source: Rolling Stone September 4th 2008

There- fixed that.

re: #126 redc1c4

And his name is Sarah. ;-)

re: #112 stonemason

I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?

That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!

re: #43 stonemason

"it was a dark and stormy night..."

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

re: #98 Gus 802

Northern Italy would be nice. I have to work to stay afloat though and couldn't see myself doing well there. I'm not sure but I could get dual citizenship by way of some long gone relatives.

Go to Sicily, mild winters, you may get occasional snow if you live on Mt Etna above the level of Niccolosi, otherwise its lovely.

I had a villa in Mascalucia, 3 bedroom, huge living and dining room, fantastic kitchen, 2 bath rooms, study. Cost 760 euros.
Electric bill every 2 months about 120 euros
Water every 3 months about 20 euros
Car Insurance about 50 euros a month
Food bill (I typically shopped at Auchon) about 400 euros a month
Telephone... I used a mobile... about 60 euros a month
The only thing was gas was really expensive.
Not much else

re: #134 shanec99

That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.

re: #108 gmsc

Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.

Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him...PAUL.

re: #128 stonemason

Thank you for pointing that out. I'm sure that will be the justification for expansion of the program.

And you're correct-public education is a states' rights issue. Like so many other things. Ah, well.

Mitt?

re: #132 gop_patriot

The individual states are in control of education but when they ask the Federal Government for money, that money comes with strings. Find a state that does not get federal school dollars and the Feds have no control. Or, private schools. Of course many Catholic schools require public service, as do non-denominational Christian schools.

There are many, many (uncountable) reasons to be afraid of President-elect Obama, this really falls way low on the list.

re: #128 stonemason

ACK! I didn't know about that. We homeschool, but have several friends whose children are in local public high schools; and I don't believe they've ever had to do any community type service. I'll make sure to ask them about it. That is ridiculous.

re: #129 Sylvester_T_Cat

It won't be involuntary, just like Social Security isn't involuntary. But f you want a Pell Grant or any other kind of federal tuition assistance, you'll need to put your time in like everyone else.

Of course this will be one of many mandates from Obama and company. I know he has many other plans including building codes.

The feds will create the Obamandate and the states will be forced to redefine or create new laws and regulations so they can maintain federal funding. The same as the do with the Clean Air Act and federal highway funding.

re: #33 rightwinger3

Here's the deal lizards. Since I am here in Europe, I'll report on European reactions to Obama's ascendancy to the throne:

And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.

Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...

I get the NHL network, which will likely have the CBC feed of the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheader this weekend. I wonder if this will include Don Cherry's Rememberance Day Tribute to the Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

/even if he phones it in, it will be better than any American network's 'tribute' to US Servicemen and women over the past 8 years, although I hear patriotism's suddenly vogue among libs now...

Ugh, passing out. Night all.

re: #137 FortunateSon

NCLB started out well, when it was tests that meant things, then, Kennedy got involved and it turned to sh**. The unions hate it though so it can't be all bad.

re: #131 treesarie

And his name is Sarah. ;-)

"I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun."

re: #135 Gus 802

Closer to $1.25 to the Euro right now.

re: #84 gmsc

Change... Obama Announces Creation Of His Marxist Youth Corps

It is not a little scary. It is VERY scary. The whole site creeps me out. I don't know how it would stand up to the 13th Amendment, which says:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Some claim that government service is exempt from the involuntary servitude, for instance the draft.

re: #143 Karridine

Woohoo! Global depression, here we come!

re: #135 Gus 802

That Villa was about 1000 dollars? I'm assuming 1.5 on the Euro. That's a good deal.

Well it was about $1.30 per euro when I was there... so it was about $950 per month, and it was great... my home was 150 square meters.

re: #136 Nightwatch

Thank you, I have read Bill alot in the past 8 years, but have forgotten him in recent days.

Thank you for giving him back to my daily thoughts. He has been in the past a voice of courage during the dark days of the IRAQ war. Given the historic times some of us find ourselves in I think I will call him... ...PAUL.

You're welcome. His articles are going to become more important in the days and years ahead.

BTW, his PJTV "Afterburner" videos are all available for free now!

re: #99 gop_patriot

Scary- and ridiculous.

No way would I allow my kids to be used by the state in that manner. I don't give a shit if Obama and his Chicago thugs are in charge now, this is still a free country and the government has no right to force my children to work for them for free, even if they like to pretty it up by calling it "volunteer" work.

Marxist bastards.

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

I posted this link on the other thread, but I'll put it here in case you guys didn't get a chance to see it.

Rahm Emmanuel wrote a book and outlined this concept a few years ago; it's interesting that Obama chose him, because it looks (to me at least) more likely that they'll cook something up together.

The kid that wrote this piece was none too pleased to learn of this plan, in 2006:

Emmanuel writes that all citizens will be “asked” to serve their country. But there would be no asking because it would be a mandatory program. “Asked” in this case is a kind and gentle way to say that anyone who doesn’t participate would be guilty of a crime. Emmanuel has never said what he thinks the penalty should be for those who refuse to participate. But you can be sure that a major part of the “plan” will be a pretty damned persuasive deterrent to scoffing or fleeing.

[Link: www.popandpolitics.com...]

And:

He [Jonathan Alter, an advocate of Emmanuel's plan, and the person from Newsweek that hosted a chat about it - cp] pointed to the threat of a nuclear Iran as the reason for mandatory state service. I suggested that the way the world could be expected to deal with that sort of thing would be promised investment and trade versus economic sanctions, travel bans and frozen assets— you know diplomatic carrots and sticks.

Alter said that sanctions would be too harsh on the Iranian people and repeated his view that mandatory state service for Americans 18-25 years old was a better way to deal with the Iranian nuclear program.

re: #139 stonemason

I see your point.

But I still think this is pretty important. This is Obama and his socialist/marxist buddies we're talking about; it might seem innocuous on the surface but I guarantee it will end up much worse than it looks right now.

re: #113 TheMatrix31

Yes, here's another college student telling you to go fuck yourself as well, President Obama.

I'm going to start emailing and talking to everyone I know about this. I know my congressman personally, I was his guest of honor to the state of the union address. If we don't start fighting this now, it may be too late. I will go to jail before I donate one fucking hour of my time to that communist.

re: #149 Max Darkside

I hate to sound over-the-top here, but to a lot of these people, being born an American is practically a crime (or the "moral equivalent"), and therefore something that requires acts of penance to redeem oneself for.

I don't want to believe that's the truth. But it's becoming pretty obvious.

re: #150 Sharmuta

Sharmy, walking home a few hours after Comrade Lord Obama was chosen, my Iraqi-refugee neighbor asked me, "Obama? This is bad, yes? Americans will now leave Iraq? Soon? Oh, no! This is VERY BAD!"

/I shook my head, looked in his eyes, touched my heart, and turned toward my house...

/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!

re: #153 Karridine

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

That scenario is silly, ridiculous, and . . . accurate.

re: #132 gop_patriot

I know, but isn't that the individual school/district, or a city/county decision? Or even the individual state (by "the state" in my previous post I mean the Fed. Gov't)?

That actually bothers me a bit, but not nearly on the level that this does- the Federal Government has no business telling my kids what to do in their spare time! It's very like the Soviet Union or other socialist dictatorships. Working for the State. Working in the name of the Motherland. Someone posted on a previous thread that had lived in the USSR- this idea that 0 has just freaked her right out, it's what they did in Soviet Russia. Outrageous that it is even being proposed in the United States of America!

We need to push back on this one, hard. I don't think getting the liberals on board would be difficult, either. This isn't going to be a popular idea with the majority of people who voted for this Marxist bastard - they were just too dumb and starry-eyed to realize what he had in mind for them.

re: #153 Karridine

"Hey! Why did you SHOOT HIM?"

He refused to volunteer! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

"Will you shoot me if I don't, Comr-"

BLAM!

YOU! YOU want to volunteer, voluntarily, DON'T YOU?

Hence the reason I own a gun.

re: #158 Karridine

/global depression? Whoof! And more, MUCH MORE!

Not all depressions are financial. I know I am not feeling too good here right now, and it's not because of a virus.

/meme yes, virus no.

Dang! Heavy lightning moving in!
bbiaw

Charles, I think we have a topic for a new thread.

re: #158 Karridine

Will you let him know that there is at least one American lady whose heart is breaking for Americans and Iraqis. I fear for them, and Israel and of course us here too.

We are going to be a country of busy little rascals, with community service and the civilian security force etc.

re: #143 Karridine

And from Bangkok, Right, there was a report last night (no dancing in the streets) that the Thai government will be watching very closely, and IF Obama starts to drag America down, Thailand has several hundred companies right now who will immediately and completely SEVER ALL BUSINESS with the USSA.

Ask LaZardo about Philippines and FuzzyOldGuyJeans about Japan's response...

Karradine, there goes Thailand.

re: #155 gop_patriot

Oh, don't get me wrong, if the kids are no longer able to choose where to do the project, or if the choices are limited, I will be right with you fighting it tooth and nail. As it is now, I must admit, I like the idea of some of the spoiled brats I know volunteering some time. Here in the Downingtown Area, PA, the choices are many and varied, everything counts, including Boy Scouts and Church Service. I mentioned the little league, that goes for soccer as well.

I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first, hold him to cutting waste, and trying our best to publicize every socialist move he makes.

Remember Michelle O's words?...

"Don't go into corporate America," "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

re: #156 logboy

My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.

Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.

Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.

re: #168 stonemason

I just think we need to focus on fighting the tax programs first

The rate things are going, there won't be anything to tax.

So, under "America Serves", do you get to choose your own "Massah", or does the state choose your "Massah"?

re: #166 BakaRanger

We are going to be a country of busy little rascals, with community service and the civilian security force etc.

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

re: #153 Karridine

We will see the true men with spines for this country in the days to come. No Metro-sexual hand -wringers this time. Some of us are old card players and we see the bottom deck play.

WHAT you think this is over the top? THIS AIN'T KERRY. THIS AIN'T GORE!

Red White and Blue or...

I'm having a bit of an attitude this week. Been playing this song a LOT.

Trashed and scattered again, I'm feelin' so low
You waste breath while fuckin' with me, my blood is so cold
My destinations always are known, I'll find my way there
but Goddamn Motherfuckers always wasting my time

I won't be the victim, but the first to cast a stone
Sedated nights to the bar room fights as metropolis takes its toll
And don't you try to stop me, it's a place you'll never know
Don't try to judge or take shots in me, I'll never let you seize control

Play your game, and walk away your integrity don't mean shit
Crawl on me you fucking parasite, and I'm gonna take you out

re: #171 Max Darkside

tis true.

I have a 'real' job, and I do side work (hence the monniker). The side work just went all Cash.

re: #173 logboy

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

re: #173 logboy

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

Can I come with?

re: #170 shanec99

My friend take your time, look at the evidence first. I cannot imagine that any forced servitude will be found to be legal under the US Constitution.
First we have to demonstrate that we are reasonable and thoughtful men or people with coherent arguments if we have to fight against any threat to our constitutional rights.
Take your time, put the anger behind you, look at the legislation or executive order if it is proposed and organize your opposition with a quiet, reasonable and non threatening approach.

Loud mouths even when they have a valid point frequently get ignored and they even alienate possible allies away.

Remember ... reasonable people. There is no need for cursing if you want to win in the public market place of ideas.

What the heck do you see with that issue that is "quiet, reasonable and non threatening"? Right. I'll just sit down and wait and hope for the best. Its right there in front of you in black and white, staring you right in the face. And what is your suggestion?

If you don't like what I say, then don't listen. After all, it is a free country (for now).

re: #174 Nightwatch

I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.

This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.

re: #177 BlueCanuck

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

I have friends in BC, and AB. AB I get to hunt, in BC (VC) I get to logroll.

re: #181 logboy

And in Alberta you are not far from a lot of ski hills either. Banff, Jaspar, Panorama. . . .

Something less unpleasant: 2008 Electoral Map Jigsaw Puzzle (Free online javascript jigsaw puzzle)

re: #173 logboy

The hell with that, you'll be busy. I'll be in Canada.

Is it just me, or does it suddenly feel like Red Dawn has come true in a way?

I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?

I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!

re: #178 BakaRanger

Can I come with?

Do you hunt or snowboard?

"The streets were dark with something more than night. "

re: #177 BlueCanuck

Welcome to Canada, be sure to leave your hand guns and military style rifles at the border. Other than that, it's a good country to live in. I would suggest Alberta though. It's the most Conservative province of the lot.

/I live in Ontario, the rural parts are conservative, but the government isn't.

Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.

Today is the anniversary of the Bolshevik coup d'etat in Saint Petersburg. The beginning of the nightmare known to us as the Soviet Union.

Some people insist on not learning.

You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

re: #189 Sharmuta

You guys are pissing me off. Sarah Palin's got more balls than some of you.

Yeah! She lost a possible U.S. Vice-Presidential post to Joe Biden, but you don't see here packing up and heading North!

/Well, not to Canada, anyway.

When my ancestors got their asses kicked, they went home, healed their wounds, repaired their armor and sharpened their swords. When the ice melted in the fjords, they got in their boats and went back.

re: #190 UncleSam

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

Too late now, init?

re: #190 UncleSam

I work at a large retail establishment in the San Francisco Bay Area, a huge liberal enclave, and tonight I was talking with two co-workers who were very seriously concerned that Obama would take away their guns.
Even here, there is serious doubt about his intentions, at least among some thinking people.

Good to hear . . . as well as surprising and interesting.

re: #194 gmsc

Yes, I was surprised.

When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).

Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...

re: #184 Sharmuta

I thought you were a soldier. Is your idea of defending the Constitution abandoning the country you once swore to defend?

I'm tired of this "I'M LEAVING!" nonsense. Where else is there to go? Who will defend the greatest country on earth is we all leave? This is part of what's wrong in europe- instead of fighting for their country, many left it to the islamists and fascists. I'm not abandoning my country now when she needs me the most. Let's roll!

Don't you dare question my patriotism. It will be two years ago in December that I left my right arm on the battlefield of Iraq because some Iranian thought he'd blow up my humvee in an effort to get his American kill count over 30. 9 months in an Army hospital later, I'm left picking up the pieces, fighting with the VA over benefits, attempting a college education, trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do with my life. I've given all that a person can give for their country without dying.

You may question my judgment. You may question my sanity. But don't you dare question my patriotism.

re: #197 logboy

I'm not the one openly posting comments about abandoning my country to go live in a socialist state because my team lost.

re: #115 Gus 802

Obama's "community service" in college involved smoking pot, snorting cocaine, and getting drunk while discussing Marxism with his make believe friends.

And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.

re: #193 rightwinger3

Maybe, maybe not...

re: #196 infidel4ever

When my son was in an International School doing a certain amount of Community Service (50 hours?) was already part of the requirements for the IB program (International Baccalaureate). Kids had to find their own place to do the service (my son went and served tea in an old people's home once a week for a year), some of his friends helped older people learn to handle computers, assisted in sports clubs etc. At the time I thought it was actually a good idea to teach them to do something for other people and not only think about their own interests (as long as there is no indoctrination involved).

Maybe it depend how it is done? Of course, if Obama is going to use your kids as free labor for his own pet projects...

The big difference is that the requirement by the government.

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?

The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.

re: #198 Sharmuta

Are you paying attention to anything we are talking about? Seriously, go back up and read the thread.

re: #199 The Other Les

And his election was the triumph of the Imaginary American voter.

Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X

/

re: #203 gop_patriot

Hmph. I wish they had been imaginary. Unfortunately, the people voting for 0 were real. :X

/

Yeah...but at least some of them were dead.

re: #202 logboy

Did you want your sacrifice to be for nothing?

Good Morning Nightshift

re: #187 rightwinger3

Is hockey big up there? because I don't want to live in a place where there is no hockey.

Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)

re: #204 rightwinger3

LOL!

re: #204 rightwinger3

Yeah...but at least some of them were dead.

re: #208 gop_patriot

LOL!

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

This is what inspired the conservative blogosphere to rail against the organization, claiming that they knowingly submitted forms for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, and that, says Politico.com, “they are apparently Democrats."
In what ACORN president Maude Hurd admitted was an “unfortunate exaggeration,” she noted that the organization did not attempt to fix the election, and that the lion's share of the discarded.

Story here.

re: #180 stonemason

I have sat back and watched. Talked family members down from the roof, and dealt with the smug winners. Deepening resolve is what is coming, the resolve to pick up my family, my neighborhod, my community and carry all of us back to America, the America we all know still exists. We are not all in urban centers, we are not all sheltered in leftist classes, some of us live in suburbia or rural America, where we still help our neighbors, where we still stop to talk on the street, where we still know the kids playing ball.

This is not the end, this is a speed-bump, that's all, and a pretty brittle one at that, one that will have trouble weathering the coming storms.

Well said!

Conservatives don't need to wait for a 'One', and don't need to wait until he's spoken to actually do something.
Conservatives think and do for themselves, they don't need to wait for permission from leadres.

It will be a hard slog - but patience is the ticket here. You're not just taking on B0 and his party - you're taking on academia and the msm as well.
At least you know this - we in the Uk didn't, eleven years ago. Thats why its been taking such a long time here ...

re: #201 gmsc

The big difference is that the requirement by the government.

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the International Baccalaureate program? Simple answer: Don't partake in the International Baccalaureate program!

Do you not want to commit to the 50 hours of community service required by the U.S. government? Well, you don't have much of a choice now, do you?

The standards for violating the 13th amendment are, thankfully, well established in precedent. If you're not willing to perform unpaid labor, and you're threatened with physical restraint, such as jail for not doing so, that's a clear violation of the 13th Amendment.

So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free? I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?

Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.

Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.

logboy:

Professional lumberjack, Wounded Iraq Vet. Lost my right arm dDec. 2006 leading a convoy through Baghdad. What have you sacrificed?

I'll tell you what I haven't sacrificed- my country. You're a soldier. Fucking act like it and fight for your country, damnit.

And God bless you for your service.

So if the MSM is trying to brace 0bama's supporters on him not being able to live up to a bunch of his campaign promises, does that mean the MSM is guilty of the 'soft racism of lowered expectations'?

re: #202 logboy

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

re: #207 BlueCanuck

Is water wet? It's where Hockey was invented. ;)

I love that game. I've been in Italy for over a month now. People ask me if I've been to Venice or Rome or Pisa. Nope. I've been to Asiago though. Every home game since the season started.

re: #216 rightwinger3

Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.

/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.

re: #215 BlueCanuck

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

Should the "doing" include abandoning our country?

I feel it's my civic duty to tell this soldier to get a grip, stay and fight.

re: #209 gmsc

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

Just telling the truth as I see it. You have to admit it was a little funny though.

re: #215 BlueCanuck

re: #205 Sharmuta

Easy pilgrims. No need to start a party split now. Let's be civil about this at the least. After all the Republican party should be a mixture of thinkers and doers.

No kidding. Lets not get banned.

Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.

re: #209 gmsc

Unfortunately, rightwinger3 wasn't being funny.

I know, it still made me laugh though. Dead is close enough to imaginary, right?

/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)

re: #222 gop_patriot

/I may have an attitude but I'm still in a good mood ;)

For the first time this week, I might add... I need to laugh, the stress was getting to me.

re: #212 infidel4ever

So what does he plan to do? Make everybody work for free?

Yes. That's what "community service" is.

I thought it was supposed to be for school kids and college kids?

Last time I checked, even high school and college kids had the right to be compensated for their labor.

Besides, I think it is not a bad idea to let high school kids do something other than gratify their own desires. That age group is way to self-centered.

And you believe that making them labor against their will under threat of force is the cure to self-centeredness?

Plenty of college kids in the States have to work to put themselves through college, for them 100 hours of unpaid labor is a 100 hours they might need to keep themselves in college. So I don't agree with that at all.

OK, so you don't agree with established precedent in 13th Amendment court cases.

re: #221 UncleSam

I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.

re: #217 BlueCanuck

Oh yeah, the laptop screen cleaning bill is in the mail.

/failed to follow my rules for the LNDT.

Have to support the home team here rather than see the Avs or Coyotes get their asses handed to them.

re: #34 gmsc

Since When Did Censorship Become "Fair"?

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work. Limbaugh, for example, I've always considered to be an entertainment show, not a political one. Extending this interpretation means that Saturday Night Live, 24 and pretty much the entire Comedy Channel lineup would have to yanked or balanced.

Of course, I guess it depends on who does the deciding on who is not living up to whatever standards are emplaced. But this sort of edict seems unenforceable.

It probably can't be applied at all to cable television, which the government doesn't license.

The Internet, sadly, has already been compromised by the existence of the McCain-Feingold legislation. It hasn't been enforced yet, but this is another area to keep a very close eye on.

In other news: lots of interesting rumors floating around about possible appointments to come, including several Republican names being floated. Schwarzenneger keeps coming up as a possible cabinet appointee, in charge of some environmental-related agency. Richard Luger's name is also being tossed around quite a bit, possibly for a defense-related post. Hard to know what to make of all this, or whether it's just vaporware.

And of course, Lieberman got taken out to the woodshed by Reid yesterday. Without him, the Dems can't make their Magic 60 in the Senate, and you can bet that Reid is holding Lieberman's committee chairmanships over his head.

"In six states, anyone charged with a felony, a category of crime which includes otherwise benign offences such as marijuana possession, propagation of copyrighted material, and some forms of petty theft, loses their ability to vote for life. In the state of Florida, one in four black men is denied the vote because of past history.
It is in the face of issues like this that groups like ACORN operate, and the allegations have inflamed tensions between races in America.
A Daily Kos op-ed stated that the actions against ACORN “are clearly racially motivated... what better way is there to take so many poor blacks off the rolls?”"

I know I already posted above, but I forgot to post this part. Can anyone weigh in on the accuracy of that statement?

re: #225 Fenway_Nation

I'm just gonna see if I can get stocks like General Electric, Freeport-McMoran or Kansas City Southern at unheard-of lows.

It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.

re: #165 Sharmuta

Yes'm, will do! His brother, also an engineer, was blown to pieces AT HOME for working for the kffir Emricans, and his first son shot for the same intimidating reason, so he got out.

He KNOWS Americans have good people, I'll share your concern.

Rightwinger #167: they were in trouble BEFORE Obama, and they're in a different trouble now! Bastion against Communism, we're bordered by Cambodia, Laos and near Vietnam & China... not to mention thugocracy Burma and Islamo-Malaysia!

/where's my gyros? WHAT HAPPENED to the gyroscopes?

re: #229 UncleSam

I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.

re: #228 logboy [Link: felonvoting.procon.org...]

change.gov GAK! Looks like just another opportunity to compile an another email list.

re: #230 Karridine

Oh... I'm so sorry to hear that. The poor man.

re: #231 Sharmuta

re: #229 UncleSam

Can anyone here tell me about Garvey bonds? I hear they're floated for highway or transportation projects and might be backed by the Treasury, but I hadn't heard anything along the lines of their yield, minimum required investment or maturity dates...

re: #231 Sharmuta

I have a riend who had put his money in municipal bands. His broker was pushing him hard to get him to put that money somewhere else with a higher return, and he said, "no way your moving my money". He's looking pretty smart right about now.

The people who try to get huge returns and those who panic on a downturn are usually the ones who end up losing in the long run.

re: #233 Sharmuta

Its real, Sharmuta.... its WHY we served... in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... they're murderous, the world's largest prison is North Korea...

And that 'require service' garbage IS INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE, and is NOT legal under the US Constitution!

re: #221 UncleSam

Funny how the stock market, which was gaining quite a bit recently, collapsed after the Messiah was elected.
Apparently, the market doesn't put a lot of stock in Hope and Change.
I've lost so much money recently that it's pathetic and shocking.
Thank you, Bernie Frank and Chris Dodd, for pressuring banks into giving home loans to people who never should have gotten them, you leftist creeps.
But I'm going to hang in there and hope that the market will recover in a year or two.

Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.

When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.

I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.

re: #230 Karridine

That's awful...yet there's people out there who would openly root for the Islamo-fascists to finish the job so they can sanctimoniously lecture us on how wrong the war in Iraq was.

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

Too true, Fenway!

sad... dangerous...

re: #234 Fenway_Nation

re: #229 UncleSam

Can anyone here tell me about Garvey bonds? I hear they're floated for highway or transportation projects and might be backed by the Treasury, but I hadn't heard anything along the lines of their yield, minimum required investment or maturity dates...

I don't know anything about those bonds, but you can look them up on Yahoo Finance, which is a great resource for financial matters.

re: #229 UncleSam

It's a good time to buy, but I'm not so sure about General Electric.
Better to invest in mutual funds, where your risk is spead out among hundreds or thousands of companies.
I lost a lot, but about one third less than the market as a whole, because I diversified my investments and invested in well-managed mutual funds, among other investments.

Unfortunately, a huge number of 401ks are very badly out of balance and heavily overweighted in stocks. What this means is that every rally in the market is going to be met with a huge wave of selling, as people rebalance their portfolios to position themselves as you have done all along. The downward pressure on the market is going to continue for the next few months, at least, regardless of other news.

I'm 15 hours ahead of y'all, so I've some mid-afternoon tasks to deal with.

Back in a bit
Bit in my back
Back to back
belly to belly...

re: #239 Karridine

And to make it worse...they got exactly who they wanted in the White House come January.

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

I kept saying during the debates and the infomercial that 0bama hated the Iraqis. I don't think I was wrong.

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Hard lesson coming up for them in being careful in what they wish for.

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Ironically ironical! Zen justice!

Bwahaha!

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

8th Plank of the Communist Manifesto

re: #245 Sharmuta

Still, as Victor Hanson Davis points out, the next 90 days will be a struggle inside the Obama camp, as he purges people who actively supported him and as the remaining few/many coalesce into two fairly polarized camps:

Camp 1: Let's go full-bore left on them, before they can recover and gum up our plans!

Camp 2: Let's go centrist, so that we have a chance of being re=elected 4 years from now, and THEN shaft America!

re: #237 SixDegrees

I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold.

Speaking of insane policies, what are the odds of Dems really being able to roll our 401Ks into "guaranteed" retirement accounts like Teresa Ghilarducci was suggesting? I'd like to think they couldn't get away with it... but I don't doubt them trying.

re: #248 Karridine

I did read the VDH today. He's a brilliant man, and I'm glad he's on our side.

re: #237 SixDegrees

Not much in the way of correlation there. What you saw was profit taking and portfolio rebalancing after a nice rally, but more importantly you saw reactions to a slew of horrendous economic news - miserable factory orders, the lowest auto sales in a quarter century, increasing unemployment (to be continued with today's jobs report) and free-falling profits at nearly all retailers. It's hard to connect the market moves downward with Obama's victory, except through an exercise in wishful thinking.

When he starts making appointments and roughing out actual policies, the market will certainly respond. But I'm not hearing any Wall Street analysts attribute market movement to Obama yet.

I'd do more than just hang in there. I'm actively buying stocks right now through my 401k; many of then are way undervalued and can be had at bargain prices. Most recessions last no more than a year. I'd like to have time to accumulate stocks while they're on sale - and sell them again on the upside, before any insane policy decisions take hold. I think the latter will be difficult to implement while the economy is in the tank - raising taxes, confiscating wealth and hamstringing business while things are down are obvious ways to prevent a recovery, and I think the incoming crowd is smart enough to realize that, as well as recognize the long-term damage they would incur by ignoring it. It provides a small buffer in which to act.

Yeah, the bad financial news had a lot to do with it, but I think uncertainty and trepidation about Obama's financial and tax policy was also a large factor.
I'd buy stocks/mutual funds now if I had cash to spare, but I don't, because I have to put money into home repair, as the ground is shifting in my area and I have to do preventive work, as do my neighbors, on my home's foundation and structure.

When they're not done writing cartoon episodes depicting US Servicemen as semi-literate dullards and military recruiters trying to sign up kintergartners, I can't shake the feeling these same 'compassionate' and 'tolerant' 'progressives [gonna OD on the sneer quotes in a moment] do a little jig every time an IED hits a US convoy or some Iraqi kids in a crowded marketplace catch a faceful of white-hot shrpanel from a suicide bomber...and when they're called out on it, they self-righteously declare "Well it's Bush's war..."

Never met a Chavez, Assad or Mugabe they couldn't make excuses for, if not outright love and admire.

re: #247 TheMatrix31

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

8th Plank of the Communist Manifesto

Does this mean we finally get a community garden?

re: #253 logboy

Does this mean we finally get a community garden?

Yeah, they'll raise a new crop of Socialists.

re: #247 TheMatrix31
So that's why the US Farm report logo looks so much like O's!
[Link: www.agweb.com...]

re: #237 SixDegrees

Sorry, but I disagree. What you are seeing is the compounded effect of the economic gears slowing due to a credit crunch, a scared consumer not spending, with bad results AND with incoming bad policies. It is not a coincidence that the last two days, summing to 10% loss of market value, occurs right after the election.

Comrades! You will stand for the National Anthem of the Obamanation!

re: #253 logboy

Those things might have been possible BEFORE the internet and cell-phones, but its getting more and more difficult to 'put the means of communication' into the hands of a Central Committee.

/one more reason why Socialist Communism DOESN'T WORK!