over my dead body

Hell no, we won't go!

not to brag but 50 hours of community service for my two teenage sons, would be a relief to them from what they do now.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

When do we start calling him "dear leader" or "the great helmsman"?

I wonder if time spent in the "Civilian Security Force" will count as community service hours.

Not MY son or daughter. He can shove his program and keep the change.

re: #4 bushleague

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

When do we start calling him "dear leader" or "the great helmsman"?

or "captain, my captain"

It's the Hitler Youth all over again.

Not that we didn't see this coming.

And their shirts will be brown.

My underwear already is.

Comrade Barack creates new cadres to serve the state.

Hands off, Bucko!

to heck with required community service, if he can get some of the kids to simply pull up their pants I'll be impressed.

Obama is going after the children to convert them to socialism against the wills of parents all over America.

Obama is declaring them his children now, not theirs.

Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

What the hell is this about?
Well, hell, what's it all about?

The great thing is that he already has a .gov domain.

Will they be issued a uniform?

He'll probably tie the hours of service to school fundings and grants, making the school system police the kids into service for the money

Thank God allmighty I'm middle aged.

Jonah Goldberg is a prophet.

This was discussed over night and a few Lizards mentioned the 13th Amendment.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Kind of ironic, no?

Service is something you do voluntarily.

If it's required it ain't service.

It's a form of slavery

Make me.

This is why I have called him "The Fascist Tool."

I'm so pleased that mandatory volunteerism hasn't gone away, that was one of my favorite Obamaisms.

re: #13 Adina in Judea

Obama is going after the children to convert them to socialism against the wills of parents all over America.

Obama is declaring them his children now, not theirs.

Exactly. He will need to murder me first.

So do I get a night stick?

Because brainwashing works best on the young ones!

I don't look good in brown

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He'll probably tie the hours of service to school fundings and grants, making the school system police the kids into service for the money

What about the child labor laws (especially if others are paid for their labor?)

Sounds like BIGGER government to me.

So it begins...

President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.

Paid for how?

Even some friends, maybe some relatives who are not telling, whoever, in the deep recesses of my heart I will never understand nor forgive anyone who voted for Obama.

re: #12 Big Steve

to heck with required community service, if he can get some of the kids to simply pull up their pants I'll be impressed.

At least you don't have to wonder if they are hiding crack.

Change!

re: #25 pat

Your gonna get a stick, allright.

I think a defense fund should be started, and a citizen this will affect be found to challenge this legally.

The re-education will begin in middle school . . .

Good luck with that, you POS.

What. A butthole.
Charity comes from the Latin, "caritas", meaning "heart". Socialism provides a lot of hot air but no heart. Why help your fellow man when the government can do that for you? Furthermore, "drafting" anyone against their free will, especially for these Hitler Youth type jobs, is just plain noxious.
When is anyone going to see through this crap and stand up to this idiot and his impractical plans?

The bad part isn't the community service part of this, its the "training" that will be required. Remember that organization that Barack founded and Michelle ran? Its the "social justice" [i.e. anti-American, anti-human marxism] agenda that sits at the heart of all of these plans that is 100% unacceptable.

So, would I get to pick what my son's "community service" would be, or is that up to the Dear Leader?

Homeschooling is looking better and better...

re: #30 lawhawk

So it begins...

Paid for how?

By downsizing the military of course --- oh, and raising taxes.

re: #20 Shug

Service is something you do voluntarily.

If it's required it ain't service.

It's a form of slavery

Child slavery, in this case.

... 100 hours of community service in college every year.

Remember when the draft was what you got if you weren't in college?
Somehow I never thought of the Army as "community service".

re: #19 Sharmuta

Yes, it is.

Sad too.

These are the same forces who thought it would be cruel to put criminals to work while serving their sentences.

This is surreal.

I love the smell of burning draft cards in the morning. See you all Sunday evening, I'm off to paradise.

re: #30 lawhawk

Paid for how?

Pay? It won't cost anything- they've got "free" labor!

ALPHA! OMEGA!
ALPHA! OMEGA!

That's what we need. Millions of people resentfully doing community service.

re: #35 Sharmuta

Lawsuits aren't quite ripe yet. It has to become official first. Soon though.

Forced volunteerism rears it's ugly head.
My godson spends his community service hours as an alter server at Catholic Mass on Sundays. Will that be allowed to count, or will the separation of church and state fanatics require that service must be to secular institutions?

Thank goodness none of my children will come of age at any time BHO will be President.

However, were that the case, I would recommend my children sign up for the US Military. If they're going to be drafted to serve their country, they might as well do it right.

re: #28 Adina in Judea

What about the child labor laws (especially if others are paid for their labor?)

The kids aren't getting paid, they're "volunteering", and since it will supposedly done for non-profits and charity work, I'm guessing thats how they'll bypass those.

respect my autharutah

this is the crap he's starting off with? our enemies are embolden, the finance system is a mess, we need energy independence,etc, etc...and this is the crap he's comming up with? oh brother, it's going to be a long 4 years...

This is why I'm off to the gun store tomorrow. Never owned one before, but I've always understood the reasons for the 2nd Amendment. This is one of them - possibly the primary one.

re: #32 opnion

At least you don't have to wonder if they are hiding crack.

the problem is that it is their "crack" that precisely I don't want to see.

Let us not get too excited. This will go down in Congress like the Hindenburg.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself Loose Change.

“Change is coming to America,” Barack Obama said last night in his victory speech, echoing the theme he used to win the election.

The question is: what kind of “change” is coming?

The only thing we have to go on is what he has said and the (limited) things he has done in the past. And they are not encouraging.

Monica Crowley

[Link: politicalmavens.com...]

"Community service" is something that people are sentenced to do for mild crimes (such as certain kinds of traffic tickets or the failure to pay parking tickets.)

A lack of car insurance without being in an accident can get community service.

The children of America would be punished and put into slavery by Obama if he goes through with this.

He has wasted NO TIME AT ALL to show his socialist/Marxist/Fascist face as a President-Elect.

re: #49 lawhawk

Lawsuits aren't quite ripe yet. It has to become official first. Soon though.

We should be prepared.

Also- why should a soldier returning from active service be made to do this? Haven't they already done the ultimate volunteering? They should be exempt.

re: #57 pat

Someone needs to get on that quick.

re: #50 tyree

Forced volunteerism rears it's ugly head.
My godson spends his community service hours as an alter server at Catholic Mass on Sundays. Will that be allowed to count, or will the separation of church and state fanatics require that service must be to secular institutions?

Afraid that won't cut it, it glorifies God. To qualify the service has to glorify The Obama™

re: #57 pat

Let us not get too excited. This will go down in Congress like the Hindenburg.

How do you figure?

re: #57 pat

Let us not get too excited. This will go down in Congress like the Hindenburg.

Being democrat controlled. I'd say there is quite a chance.

re: #46 Sharmuta

Pay? It won't cost anything- they've got "free" labor!

And the bureaucracy that will spring up to ensure that everyone does the mandatory community service? That's a black hole for taxpayer revenues.

The Obama-Borg.

Resistance is futile.

Can the top 5% of wage earners who are paying for it be exempt ?

that's only fair.

hey bottom wage earners, it's time to get patriotic. time to dive on in. time to get with the deal. time to get your hands dirty.

I mean, if I can be expected to pay extra, the folks on welfare ought to be expected to work a little harder for their freebies, right?

Classroom corps? Let me guess, gang banging thugs taking over the school.

re: #9 victor_yugo

And their shirts will be brown.

My underwear already is.

Obama's probably was, too - after he got his national security briefing and realized just what he's going to have to deal with.

re: #66 lawhawk

I was being sarcastic.

Once again, liberal social eugenics. "Can't we all get along" becomes "yes, you will ALL get along, and here's how!"

You don't need government programs to get people in your community out to help.

Example. Last night, preview night for our Christmas show. The audience. Sixty plus volunteers from the Golden Chamber of Commerce Visitors Center.

They get a free performance for every one of our 7 shows each season. These are people who volunteer to do all sorts of project all around the Golden area to promote activities in Golden.

These activities benefit youth, seniors, business' and schools. Sure, there is some capitalism involved, these people help bring revenue into Golden.

And yes, even in our case, capitalism is partly what motivates the free performance. They talk up the show all over town. But they also get a free reception in the lobby, hundreds of dollars worth of tickets and a lot goodwill.

Tell Obama to come see me, I'll show him community activism, like nothing he knows.

We don't force our volunteers to do anything, they do it because they care. Big difference.

Will all the new draftees receive a free copy of Saul Alinksy's handbook "Rules for Radicals"? updated for 2009 - the new brown-shirt revolution.

re: #61 Sharmuta

We should be prepared.

Also- why should a soldier returning from active service be made to do this? Haven't they already done the ultimate volunteering? They should be exempt.

No one should be forced to do this. Period. No exemptions. No caveats. Nothing. It's a bad idea, and it was from the moment it was conceived.

re: #38 Joan Not of Arc

Ya just did.

The old Subbotniki(sp?) in the late USSR comes to mind. I reflexively don't like it.

Maybe he should just help promote the 'Scouts.

re: #43 Son of the Black Dog

... 100 hours of community service in college every year.

Remember when the draft was what you got if you weren't in college?
Somehow I never thought of the Army as "community service".

Is this to keep college kids out of the work force for 3 weeks every summer so as not to compete with other wage earners - as just one of the motives.

The chicago cartel is going to have a massive parent uprising on it's hands - we'll yank our kids out of school.

and Ayers will probably be chosen to oversee all these new national service programs, in cooperation with Dohrn

If you go to his site, he has this catchy quote that extols the virtues of choosing to serve . . .

but his plan is going to require it?

re: #50 tyree

Forced volunteerism rears it's ugly head.
My godson spends his community service hours as an alter server at Catholic Mass on Sundays. Will that be allowed to count, or will the separation of church and state fanatics require that service must be to secular institutions?

If not, he'll be required to "volunteer" with the local imam.

"Fairness doctrine," you know.

Redistribution, Draft

Wewlcome to Union of Soviet Socialistics States of America

USSSA

Just wait. There will be plenty of fake community service scams as well. For $50, someone will certify the hours for your kid.

Every other government program gets scammed -- why not this one? Equal opportunity, you know.

re: #71 Sharmuta

I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, my sarc indicator is a little off. Need to get it recalibrated.

re: #41 JohnSteele

By downsizing the military of course --- oh, and raising taxes.

killing missile defense, scrapping the program to re-vivify our nuclear arsenal, gutting NASA, cap and trade on all power plants, ignominious defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan, raising corporate tax rates, raising electric rates, etc. etc. etc.

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The kids aren't getting paid, they're "volunteering", and since it will supposedly done for non-profits and charity work, I'm guessing thats how they'll bypass those.

non-profts like ACORN, and Planned Parenthood?

Voting for this means never getting elected again.

I am sure that some of our Lizard teachers hear know far more about this than I, but in the district my kids are in, there are several programs that require community service. For example, just to be in the honor society now requires it. A band of high school kids was assigned to me when we cleared some debris from a historical site after hurricane Ike and they all handed me forms that I had to sign to give them volunteer credit.

I would tell the schools that charity begins at home and have your kids volunteer to clean their room.

Hokay, so much for the "honeymoon" period.

Obama can be YOUR President, he damn sure ain't mine, and I don't care WHO's upset about it.

I will always respect the OFFICE, but in this case, NEVER the MAN.

Make what you wish of that.

re: #57 pat

I hope so. Just who does this Obama guy think he is?

re: #81 victor_yugo

If not, he'll be required to "volunteer" with the local imam.

"Fairness doctrine," you know.

If it's with the church then the church will be mandated to verify service to the US government - this is outrageous.

re: #77 OrzBorz

Maybe he should just help promote the 'Scouts.

But they're a bunch of religious bigoted fascists!

/

What needs to happen as volunteerism is to organize a lot of healthy events for children to overcome the socialist brainwashing that they will be subjected to in the next four years or longer (if Obama the Fascist gets his way.)

re: #23 JohnSteele

mandatory
volunteerism

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I'm not at all opposed to community service. It's something I've encouraged my kids to do, and something I've done myself.

As long as it's voluntary.

Nobody tells my kids what to do for me, however. If he wants to set up additional voluntary programs, like the Peace Corps or the President's Physical Fitness Program, I've got little problem with it. Try to make it mandatory, however, and they'll be seeing a lot of me down at the local school board, and at my oldest kid's college, where he and I are paying 100% of the cost with no help from the government.

Again: where is the Republican leadership? They need to get out in front of proposals like this, and in fact everything that's going to be spewing from the incoming Administration. It's their only hope of shaping the agenda: don't react to their proposals, put your own out their first and make them react to yours. Take your case directly to your constituents, who aren't likely to support such programs anyway, for a number of reasons, regardless of their political leanings.

And they need to act quickly, before momentum becomes insurmountable. Just pick up the ball and run with it. It doesn't matter where to - just make sure you're the one with the ball. Make the other team chase you, instead of the other way 'round.

Obama youth

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Community Organizing wrapped in publicly required servitude.
This is indoctrination and reprogramming the organizations that will best serve his opinion polls and socialist agenda.
What happens if chose to NOT participate? Do we get fined? jailed?
Lose our privileges at the YMCA? United Way? Red Cross?
Oy vey!

Torch: check.
Pitchfork: check.
Gadsden flag: check.

Let's roll!

re: #83 sawblade88

Just wait. There will be plenty of fake community service scams as well. For $50, someone will certify the hours for your kid.

that's actually very cost effective.

No doubt the 50 dollars you spend to say your kid worked 4 hours for the government, will be a lot cheaper than the government would have spent helping your kid volunteer to do nothing.

re: #95 FrogMarch

mandatory
volunteerism

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Yes

"Kneel before Zod!"

What a dork.

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He'll probably tie the hours of service to school fundings and grants, making the school system police the kids into service for the money

Bingo! You've broken the code. We already have student loan forgiveness for things like teaching in the inner city or on an Indian reservation. It will only take another little step to rope in the rest of the kids.

re: #95 FrogMarch

mandatory
volunteerism

Isn't that an oxymoron?

No its an Obamanism --- which I guess may be the same thing.

Listen he really needs to do this. After he's looted "the rich" charitable giving will be WAY down. This is how he'll make up for it.

/lord help us

re: #55 Diamond Bullet

This is why I'm off to the gun store tomorrow. Never owned one before, but I've always understood the reasons for the 2nd Amendment. This is one of them - possibly the primary one.

Same thinking here. My father keeps saying he will get me one for Christmas. I will accept his offer this year.

Stop Obama's Fascism.

Notice how they are trotting this out as Rahm's plan. Ha.

re: #80 BeyondBrooklyn

If you go to his site, he has this catchy quote that extols the virtues of choosing to serve . . .

but his plan is going to require it?

That's what it says. "Require."

How exactly would they enforce this?

re: #77 OrzBorz

Maybe he should just help promote the 'Scouts.

They will need to change their names to the "Young Pioneers" or some such leftist/Soviet crap.

You know, the only silver lining I can see in any of this, is if they just keep pushing all of the craziest stuff at a rate folks are burned out with the whole lot of them.

re: #87 pat

Voting for this means never getting elected again.

Except for the democratic constituents that think this is a good thing and will keep their congress person in power.

re: #90 irongrampa

Hokay, so much for the "honeymoon" period.

Obama can be YOUR President, he damn sure ain't mine, and I don't care WHO's upset about it.

I will always respect the OFFICE, but in this case, NEVER the MAN.

Make what you wish of that.

True that.

Like Mussolini, everything inside the State, nothing outside the State.

Everyone will have a group to which they must belong, for the good of the State.

I do not worship the State. I do not propose to give up my right of free association.

I am more than a little confused. Wasn't there a big outcry over workfare, you know doing something for the welfare check? Now Comrade Barack commands uncompensated service to the State. Oh Brave New World!

Dear President Government,

I, for one, am inspired by your message of service. I look forward to seeing your really cute kids washing windows and policing the White House grounds of gum wrappers and your discarded cigarette butts.

Sincerely,
T.S. Do

ps: mind your own business

re: #54 Spider Mensch

Hold hands now and sing ...Ring around the rosie...

Moral: WE ALL FALL DOWN!

Silly me! And here I thought involuntary servitude was illegal...

re: #101 Shug

that's actually very cost effective.

No doubt the 50 dollars you spend to say your kid worked 4 hours for the government, will be a lot cheaper than the government would have spent helping your kid volunteer to do nothing.

Don't forget the cost of all the government grants for supervisors for the laboring children.

Mandatory volunteerism.

OK Obama. You first. You can start with your Aunt.

Notice that the senior citizens will be helping other seniors. They probably don't want any of us telling the truth to the youngsters.

Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55

They got their 3 years out of me. No more!

re: #111 bulwrk

How exactly would they enforce this?

withholding diplomas

re: #77 OrzBorz

Maybe he should just help promote the 'Scouts.

oh snap

remember that lovely young fellow who was filmed at the voting station in Philadelphia? the one with the night stick and the attitude?..yeah him...he's going to be the adult (?) leader for your 13 and 14 year old children...heaven help us all!

The concept dates back to the last days of the Clinton Administration and was pushed by Kerry in 2004. Their proposed program was structured to give the participants benefits superior to those of military personnel, and thus vacuum out the clever from the pool of possible military recruits, leaving behind the patriotic and stupid, as John Kerry put it.

re: #111 bulwrk

How exactly would they enforce this?

By requiring schools to verify it to the new, bigger, better Department of Education (and Mind Control.) Oh, and cutting off federal funds to the school district or maybe even the entire state if anyone doesn't comply. The long arm of the Feds knows no limits.

So a bunch of morose teenagers grumbling their way through picking up trash on the highways is going to restore America!

re: #90 irongrampa

Hokay, so much for the "honeymoon" period.
Obama can be YOUR President, he damn sure ain't mine, and I don't care WHO's upset about it. I will always respect the OFFICE, but in this case, NEVER the MAN. Make what you wish of that.

And what if the man actually does good? What if the man does protect us? What if the man actually turns out to be a good president?

Your statement above is narrow-minded and actually un-American IMHO. Your statement is no better than liberals saying they respect the troops but are against supporting the war. Can't have it both ways.

If he does make mistakes, then we will be all over it. And we can be careful in our support, but your blanket statement is bullshit.

This is not funny at all.

This is The United States.

We are allowed to succeed or fail any damn way we please.

re: #96 SixDegrees

We need Gingrich for this

I fear reating all these domestic "corps" groups may have an unintended consequence.

Something as shown in Philip Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment.

The members of these groups may start to consider themselves superior to the general population. Problems will result.

F--- this. I'm going to be a wreck for the next four (at least) years.

Drive by.

Change.gov Office of the President Elect.

The Agenda

Revitalizing the Economy

Ending the War in Iraq

Providing Health Care for All

Protecting America

Renewing American Global Leadership

I've been hammering on this point for months. Building out this type of networks and structures will be central to his first term imho. And as expected he's framing it as a harmless, "idealistic" extension of Peace Corps etc. Watch for clueless conservative pundits endorsing this in the coming days/weeks. These groups will prepare the way to insert the Obama revolution into every nook and cranny of society. They will form a formidable "reeducation" and propaganda machine and lay the groundwork for more powerfull structures.

My daughter's high school had this as part of their admissions.
It was to be done in different sectors...ie. community, environmental, etc.;
was worthwhile. But is he making it mandatory?

re: #111 bulwrk

How exactly would they enforce this?

Denying student loans.

See y'all - here's a real difference between us and them (and you can define us and them anywhich way you want to): all of the "us's" I know already do a lot of "charity work" or if they cannot do the work themselves, for whatever reason, donate money to charities who DO do that work. "Them" are new to this. They don't understand helping each other out, helping the less fortunate of us to lead better lives and, especially with regard to Obama, the concept of giving of your own time ( I saw no mention of anyone getting PAID for this) to help others, JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO is a totally foreign concept.
After that tsunami that hit Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation on earth) a few years ago, iirc, private American Citizens gave more aid and more money for aid, than all of the Muslim Nations in the World combined.
Obama seems to genuinely believe that folks have to be "conscripted" to do that kind of charity work and he's probably right when he's talking about the people he represented as a Community Organizer and as a State Senator.

So how is this not a violation of the 14th amendment banning involuntary servitude?

I have no problem with encouraging volunteer work. Heck, a lot of those inner-city youths who stand around drinking and wasting time could use real purpose in their lives. The question is, why compel people? And will non-leftist organizations, such as the military, count?

How do you even enforce this? Goon squads?

And I'd love to know how much community service Obama has performed. I'm talking real, freely volunteered, off hours community service, not your bullshit "community organizing" job or ACORN lectures.

My guess is that Dear Leader doesn't pick up trash on the sidewalk himself.

re: #111 bulwrk

How exactly would they enforce this?

Have the schools manage and coordinate the programs, withhold funds to schools which underperform. Expect Teacher's Unions and School Districts to work heavily on this, with mark's against kids who dont comply, labeling them as problem cases.

The South Park episode should be hilarious.

What's that word for a particular kind of resister? Principled...something like that...

I want my kids to volunteer also, but I had something else in mind. Like enlisting in the Navy. But thats just me.

Nearly 1/2 the shows on Oprah deal with overworked Mom's and too many afterschool sports and activities - telling parents to cut back.

Now Obama - the servant of the people (is that racist?) is giving me orders.

Hands Off My Kids!

More Child Abuse from the Government

(And my kids do lots of service through the church and scouts - not for a conscienceless government)

The brownshirt army is being formed. The revolution will be televised.

A lot of people think this will be difficult to implement and will be an obvious violation of the 13th Amendment. As an education major I can easily see that argument circumvented and implemented in our schools. All they have to do is integrate it into the curriculum. Last semester I had to volunteer I had for 20 hours to pass one of my education classes.

"In order to pass Mr. Steven's 5th Grade Social Studies Class, each of you will have to donate 50 hours of your time to one or more of these groups."

I'm sure they will try to make it look like a beneficial "after school program", so that parents will think it is somehow good for their child.

re: #57 pat

Let us not get too excited. This will go down in Congress like the Hindenburg.

May you be right. I fear you won't be.

Here. You all need one, too.

How about mandatory community service guarding the Southern US border?

One politician from Illinois proclaims the end of slavery only to be superseded by a different politician from Illinois promoting forced labor. Have I got this about right?

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

Denying student loans.

Having the "community services" become part of the college entrance requirements.

Is he going to tell us who we have to volunteer for as well? What a joke.

Question - many of my friends are homeschoolers. The site does say 'require'. I know my question may appear naive, but would you think they will try for the homeschoolers too?

I am getting a bit scared

re: #129 Solomon2

The concept dates back to the last days of the Clinton Administration and was pushed by Kerry in 2004. Their proposed program was structured to give the participants benefits superior to those of military personnel, and thus vacuum out the clever from the pool of possible military recruits, leaving behind the patriotic and stupid, as John Kerry put it.

HALP US! HALP US!

re: #154 MTF

I have only one ding to give.

That should be a commercial.

#55 Diamond Bullet, right behind you, bro.

Anybody here have a recommendation for a shotgun purchase?

___
Can't wait till he announces a draft or something similar to this for the little douchebags in college. They wanted him so bad, let them participate in his Great Leap Forward like the rest of us...only more so.

Maybe this will be like Romney where driving around Iowa in a Winnebago trying to help Pops get elected is considered equivalent to military service.

re: #133 freedomplow

This is not funny at all.

This is The United States.

We are allowed to succeed or fail any damn way we please.

This is now the United States of Obama and success or failure is a government matter, not yours.

It starts with the people in school, but where will it end? Who will have to do this next? I am betting people on welfare will be exempt.

Good luck with that, Mr Obama. Ever tried to get a teenager to clean their room? You sure as heck won't be able to get them away from their computers/Wiis/Playstations for more than 30 minutes to go and clean up the school grounds.

Idiot.

I know for which group I'm volunteering:

The Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.

re: #128 Spider Mensch

remember that lovely young fellow who was filmed at the voting station in Philadelphia? the one with the night stick and the attitude?..yeah him...he's going to be the adult (?) leader for your 13 and 14 year old children...heaven help us all!

oh, don't worry. they can't be half as bad as the "teacher" who belittled and bullied the little girl who said she was voting for mccain.

these are the people who will be bringing their wisdom and knowledge to us.
/

re: #146 Salem

What's that word for a particular kind of resister?

Graft Dodgers ?

I can't stand how lefties cry and bitch about the right's push for religious values on America and then do something like this which forces values that religious people encourage others to do on their own.

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

And what if the man actually does good? What if the man does protect us? What if the man actually turns out to be a good president?

Your statement above is narrow-minded and actually un-American IMHO. Your statement is no better than liberals saying they respect the troops but are against supporting the war. Can't have it both ways.

If he does make mistakes, then we will be all over it. And we can be careful in our support, but your blanket statement is bullshit.

not at all - Obama has already proven he is untrustworthy and holds and sympathizes with marxist values.

I'm not getting on the cattle car - even if that seems rude.

He is going to get anything he wants from congress and here is how he plans on intimidating those who don't go along.
[Link: www.ajc.com...]

I have these flashbacks from soviet Russia... And will the kids' grades be lowered if they don't bring enough social attitude to their community service?

That's what he meant by "sacrifice", stupid yoots. This is what you voted for. Own it.

re: #113 formercorpsman

Remember all those Obama fans who now have nothing to do with their free time, since the election is over? Do you want them Community Organizing in your community with no counter balance? Think about the repercussions this would have to our towns! and cities(oh they're lost already).

re: #105 Son of the Black Dog

Bingo! You've broken the code. We already have student loan forgiveness for things like teaching in the inner city or on an Indian reservation. It will only take another little step to rope in the rest of the kids.

You know that really scares me, I hadn't thought about funding as incentive to enforce this "requirement"

re: #156 Gusbenz

Is he going to tell us who we have to volunteer for as well? What a joke.

Of course!

Obama can't allow people to volunteer for their churches or synagogues.

So what's next? They turn Lafayette Park into a parade ground, to stage worship ceremonies for Dear Leader?

Community service for high school students is already mandatory in Maryland, but it is only a few hours a year, and doesn't actually involve serving the community. I can't remember what it entailed exactly, but I never left the classroom for it. I have a feeling Obama's community service will be a bit different, and on top of it take away even more time from the classroom.

re: #137 Iron Fist

Remind me how this is different from slavery?

My hundred volunteer hours will be spent down at the firing range - will the One pay for my ammo?

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have the schools manage and coordinate the programs, withhold funds to schools which underperform. Expect Teacher's Unions and School Districts to work heavily on this, with mark's against kids who dont comply, labeling them as problem cases.

How will they enforce this in private schools?

re: #150 logboy

A lot of people think this will be difficult to implement and will be an obvious violation of the 13th Amendment. As an education major I can easily see that argument circumvented and implemented in our schools. All they have to do is integrate it into the curriculum. Last semester I had to volunteer I had for 20 hours to pass one of my education classes.

"In order to pass Mr. Steven's 5th Grade Social Studies Class, each of you will have to donate 50 hours of your time to one or more of these groups."

I'm sure they will try to make it look like a beneficial "after school program", so that parents will think it is somehow good for their child.

How do you flood the market with 100 million volunteers?

re: #153 Shug

How about mandatory community service guarding the Southern US border?

From what? Undocumented Americans?

This is not the freedom I once knew.

re: #157 JustAGal

Question - many of my friends are homeschoolers. The site does say 'require'. I know my question may appear naive, but would you think they will try for the homeschoolers too?

I am getting a bit scared

What makes you think homeschooling will be allowed. There is no way to control what the kids learn in that kind of an environment. Government schools only.

re: #153 Shug

How about mandatory community service guarding the Southern US border?

From who? It'll be wide open.

And so it begins.

Many moons ago, Charlie Rangle talked about reinstating the draft. Now, as only Nixon could have gone to China, only a Dem can bring back something resembling the draft.

Now, the issue is funding. Where will the money come from to support these new programs? Dare I say we can expect to see a cut in "traditional" military spending. Also, to whom will these new "recruits" swear allegiance; the flag or the man?

My advice is to all the parents with small children who read and post here; start teaching your children the real history of the world and this country before someone tries to re-write it.

The libs love controlling people's lives. Once it becomes mandatory for middle school through college, they'll start targeting seniors for mandatory service. Their shell game is to scream loudly about losing civil rights and freedoms to Homeland Security, the WOT or the police, all the while thinking up new ways to take ours away.

re: #178 shiek al beif salami

Remind me how this is different from slavery?

My hundred volunteer hours will be spent down at the firing range - will the One pay for my ammo?

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

re: #14 J.D.

What the hell is this about?
Well, hell, what's it all about?

I'd be impressed if him and his fellow Democrats would just give military retirees what we were promised before they took the benefits away. A bit there, a piece here...etc.

re: #179 MandyManners

How will they enforce this in private schools?

What private schools?

re: #165 opinionated

I know for which group I'm volunteering:

The Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.

Me and my kids are signing up for Commission for the Preservation of the New Order

OK, I want Michelle to volunteer to go out to the kitchen to get me a beer & run up to pick up my pizza.

re: #177 Scion9

Community service for high school students is already mandatory in Maryland, but it is only a few hours a year, and doesn't actually involve serving the community. I can't remember what it entailed exactly, but I never left the classroom for it. I have a feeling Obama's community service will be a bit different, and on top of it take away even more time from the classroom.

It's 100 hours per year for college students and that would be in addition to 1000+ hour of usually unpaid internships.

In Ontario, high school students are required to perform 40 hours of volunteer community service to graduate.

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have the schools manage and coordinate the programs, withhold funds to schools which underperform. Expect Teacher's Unions and School Districts to work heavily on this, with mark's against kids who dont comply, labeling them as problem cases.

"We're going to have to put Johnny into reeducation class".

Oh, brother. Here we go.

re: #157 JustAGal

Question - many of my friends are homeschoolers. The site does say 'require'. I know my question may appear naive, but would you think they will try for the homeschoolers too?

I am getting a bit scared

Homeschoolers will be the first. Go along, or be denied your God-given mandate to raise your children well.

Ever try to organize and run a group of volunteers? Let's try large numbers of lazy, give-me-mine teens and twenty-something "draftees" attempting to indoctrinate their youngers and elders. Hah! But then again, it doesn't have to work, just require gobs of money and "programs" to spend it on. We got the powah!

There are a few of the 'City Year' videos up on you tube, but one which I saw a couple weeks ago showing them practicing drill, doesn't seem to be up anymore. Had a weird paramilitary flavor to it, which gave me the creeps. Just not American at all, at least not since WWI .

"They turn Lafayette Park into a parade ground, to stage worship ceremonies for Dear Leader?"

No, that's what the South Lawn is for. Lafayette Park is for rallies in support of Dear Leader.

re: #160 bigpinkfluffybunny

#Can't wait till he announces a draft or something similar to this for the little douchebags in college. They wanted him so bad, let them participate in his Great Leap Forward like the rest of us...only more so.

Mandatory volunteer service will be just like a draft to high school and college kids. He's got to be kidding. His newly grown base of young age 18+ voters will turn on him as fast as voting on American Idol.

Mark my word.

re: #189 Fat Jolly Penguin

What private schools?

The ones where the Obama children go

Hmm...I wonder what the enforcement action would be on students. Where I am, public high schoolers are already required by the county to do something along those lines, under authority from the state. Enforcement is failure to receive a state diploma. I see a 10th Amendment problem with federal requirements, however. Just curious how the Ø creatures will nuance it.

re: #167 Shug

Graft Dodgers ?

Close enough! At least in this case.

re: #150 logboy

A lot of people think this will be difficult to implement and will be an obvious violation of the 13th Amendment. As an education major I can easily see that argument circumvented and implemented in our schools. All they have to do is integrate it into the curriculum. Last semester I had to volunteer I had for 20 hours to pass one of my education classes.

"In order to pass Mr. Steven's 5th Grade Social Studies Class, each of you will have to donate 50 hours of your time to one or more of these groups."

I'm sure they will try to make it look like a beneficial "after school program", so that parents will think it is somehow good for their child.

What? They won't have to pay for child care? They'll sign up easily enough.

i will not submit.

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's not the heart and soul of that amendment. That amendment is to prevent the abuse and use of kids. Money isn't the decider, there, I don't think.

re: #111 bulwrk

see #105

Say! Can my kid be a volunteer for the Republican Party?

re: #170 Aviator

He is going to get anything he wants from congress and here is how he plans on intimidating those who don't go along.
[Link: www.ajc.com...]

I wonder how many will be so keen to help him when they come to realize the middle class ends at $250,000 $150,000 $70,000.

Required voluntary service is an oxymoron. As far as the 13th Amendment is concerned however, the military draft seems to provide a precedent.

My son's high school "requires" 30 hours of volunteering for graduation, but the students are given a great deal of latitude about what they do. My son helps refurbish old computers to be donated to needy students, for example. On top of that, his mentor appears to be unabashedly conservative.

However, Obama's idea does smack of brownshirts and brainwashing. My son would be extremely unpopular in such a program because his well founded views are rather conservative.

And yes, I too would love to see some of the sags straighten out their hats and pull their pants up. They look ridiculous.

re: #139 Peter Verkooijen

I've been hammering on this point for months. Building out this type of networks and structures will be central to his first term imho. And as expected he's framing it as a harmless, "idealistic" extension of Peace Corps etc. Watch for clueless conservative pundits endorsing this in the coming days/weeks. These groups will prepare the way to insert the Obama revolution into every nook and cranny of society. They will form a formidable "reeducation" and propaganda machine and lay the groundwork for more powerful structures.

Bingo.

re: #179 MandyManners

How will they enforce this in private schools?

What are you crazy. This will not apply to the Polituboro members? What are you a trouble maker?

"...require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."
Will there be penalties for refusing this "service" demand? And if so, what will be the penalties? More community service?

re: #160 bigpinkfluffybunny

#55 Diamond Bullet, right behind you, bro.

Anybody here have a recommendation for a shotgun purchase?

That's what I'm thinking too - a no frills, low maintenance shotgun. Maybe a second for the missus. Recommendations would be much appreciated.

I want to see all the Hollywood types kids picking trash along the highway

re: #150 logboy

If that's how they're going to implement it, it will have to be fought locally, district by district.

re: #197 victor_yugo

Homeschoolers will be the first. Go along, or be denied your God-given mandate to raise your children well.

That's my fear

re: #40 bigpinkfluffybunny

So, would I get to pick what my son's "community service" would be, or is that up to the Dear Leader?

Homeschooling is looking better and better...

Do you really think that homeschooling is going to remain legal, even as legal as it is? I don't. I think that ship is sailing, damn it.
I homeschooled three daughters until college and two grandchildren for a few years.

re: #89 Sharmuta

I would tell the schools that charity begins at home and have your kids volunteer to clean their room.

Heh - make them 'volunteer' to clean each others' rooms ...

And thats just the kids - what about the 'vo;unteers' voer 55?
Will they 'choose; to do it because otehrwise thre wont be help with health services? Pensions reduced? Or paid much later?
And what are they supposed to do? Pick litter? Scrub graffiti off?
All that after a lifetime of work, and a lifetime of having paid taxes ...

Oh - and will this apply to the 5% super-rich in those fabulous mansions, like B0's precious own Jeremy wright? And the Holywood 'elite'? The MSM 'elite'?
Its only fair!

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have seen the court ordered community service program in action and its a giant cluster f**k and it has the threat of law enforcement and jail time for non compliance. I don't see how withholding diplomas will suffice

re: #209 littleoldlady

Say! Can my kid be a volunteer for the Republican Party?

I'll bet they'll say no partisanship.

All I want to know is: Will we get to wear nifty uniforms?

re: #194 Kenneth

In Ontario, high school students are required to perform 40 hours of volunteer community service to graduate.

But that is usually set by the community - and hopefully it has exemptions - and can be rescinded if the community so chooses. It's socialist.

re: #209 littleoldlady

Say! Can my kid be a volunteer for the Republican Party?

Nope. No volunteering for illegal political organizations.

re: #135 opinionated

Green Angels anyone?

#91 The Scurvy Eye

I hope so. Just who does this Obama guy think he is?

He goes by many names. The One, The Light Worker, The Enlightened Being, The messiah.

re: #187 MandyManners

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Isn't it ironic that one of the things that the idiot Whoopi Goldberg kept saying was that the Republicans would bring back slavery if McCain was elected?

Obama is demanding slavery for all American children and he's not even sworn in yet.

It's going to be a very interesting 4 years

re: #170 Aviator

He is going to get anything he wants from congress and here is how he plans on intimidating those who don't go along.
[Link: www.ajc.com...]

Obama's Cybernauts... arggghg

re: #179 MandyManners

How will they enforce this in private schools?

Many private schools still need to be accredited by the State Boards of Education. Compliance to the program could become part of the accreditation process. Combine this with the idea that participation in the programs become a requirement for college admissions, perhaps not officially, but as a general rule of thumb, and there you go.

re: #107 littleoldlady
Hey there {littleoldlady}

Listen he really needs to do this. After he's looted "the rich" charitable giving will be WAY down. This is how he'll make up for it.

/lord help us

I never thought of it that way before, but I think you're really on to something here. Lord knows Mom and I - for a variety of reasons - don't have much "disposable" income - after paying for necessities like an apartment, groceries, utilities, doctors and medical care - but we still manage to squeak out some money - VERY modest amounts - to charities we know actually do good works.
But if the folks who used to donate LARGE sums of money to charity no longer do so, the charities won't be able to do their work.

The Left sure loves to compel.

re: #213 Nevergiveup

What are you crazy. This will not apply to the Polituboro members? What are you a trouble maker?

You betcha'.

re: #47 Alouette

ALPHA! OMEGA!
ALPHA! OMEGA!

Shit!

At his “changeover” site, Barack Obama has announced a plan to draft young Americans to perform “community service.”

“Changeover”, as in from Democracy to Communism.

re: #214 Cheesehead

"...require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."
Will there be penalties for refusing this "service" demand? And if so, what will be the penalties? More community service?

No diploma.

re: #216 Big Steve

I want to see all the Hollywood types kids picking trash along the highway

They'll be able to buy credits, ya know like carbon credits.

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me and my kids are signing up for Commission for the Preservation of the New Order

Good for you, but my "corps" get to randomly beat people in the street.

re: #216 Big Steve

I want to see all the Hollywood types kids picking trash along the highway

What will the county prisoners do?

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Mandatory volunteer service will be just like a draft to high school and college kids. He's got to be kidding. His newly grown base of young age 18+ voters will turn on him as fast as voting on American Idol.

Mark my word.

This is nothing new. He has had this out there since July 2007. And in his Blueprint for Change. All they had to do was be aware of what issues they were voting for.

Oh wait! They didn't do that did they. Hope. Change. Bwah hahahahahahahaha ;-)>

re: #214 Cheesehead

"...require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."
Will there be penalties for refusing this "service" demand? And if so, what will be the penalties? More community service?

No diploma for the kids, no federal funds for the school district.

re: #74 lawhawk

No one should be forced to do this. Period. No exemptions. No caveats. Nothing. It's a bad idea, and it was from the moment it was conceived.

It is, indeed.

I suspect they're floating this to gauge reaction and use that to re-tool their proposal. I suspect, too, that they're employing the very old technique of demanding twice what they actually want in hopes that their opposition will meet them halfway.

Mandatory service is never going to fly. But voluntary service very well might, and tying, say, government-backed loan guarantees to participation in such a program will also be a way they can enforce this. Maybe. Given that I can obtain such loans on my own, as can most parents in an environment of incredibly low interest rates, I can't see them mandating such participation even here without offering something in return - like waiving interest altogether, or turning a portion of the loan into an outright grant.

The biggest problem with such programs isn't their proposal. Even assuming that the incoming Administration has the best of bipartisan intentions, there's not telling who will one day hold power, along with tools such as this already in place waiting to form the basis of a national madrassa system, just to pull an example out of my hat. And of course, there's also the matter of what the current intent of such program is, which at the moment is murky, at best, but certainly doesn't sound good.

re: #194 Kenneth

In Ontario, high school students are required to perform 40 hours of volunteer community service to graduate.

It was that way for me 30 years ago-and this was in a catholic high school. This is in a sense nothing new. The danger is that it is federally funded and maintained. In other words, you are not only being made to volunteer, but being told where and to whom you should volunteer.

ACORN writ large.

re: #185 calcajun

Also, to whom will these new "recruits" swear allegiance; the flag or the man?

Probably the logo.

Are Malia and Natasha going to be picking up broken bottles in the inner city or marchiing in formation?

If children refuse to be enslaved, will they be put into children prisons?

Will their parents be imprisoned for failing to order their children to be enslaved?

re: #200 Solomon2

"They turn Lafayette Park into a parade ground, to stage worship ceremonies for Dear Leader?"

No, that's what the South Lawn is for. Lafayette Park is for rallies in support of Dear Leader.

Resisters will be paraded around in dunce caps, like during China's Cultural Revolution.

re: #240 MandyManners

What will the county prisoners do?

Obama plans to let them all out

re: #188 Outrider

I'd be impressed if him and his fellow Democrats would just give military retirees what we were promised before they took the benefits away. A bit there, a piece here...etc.

I'd be impressed, too, if that happened, but we probably shouldn't hold our breath...

re: #173 notutopia

They already are.

My perspective was about letting the assholes who drank the poison in voting for this, experience this great society coming their way.

Don't get me wrong. I have said here before, and not to be overly pessimistic, I think things are going to get bad. Call it what you will, but when our society will not follow the rule of law, I think some will acquiese to the demand, and many will fight like hell against it.

It is essentially what the founders took upon themselves.

I totally dumbfounded by the report of the rioting last night, about the prop8 in California. An ederly couple was assaulted for having a sign on their front lawn.

This is fascism. In the long haul, that won't play well. Especially where I live. The buckshot will be fast and furious.

re: #228 Adina in Judea

Isn't it ironic that one of the things that the idiot Whoopi Goldberg kept saying was that the Republicans would bring back slavery if McCain was elected?

Obama is demanding slavery for all American children and he's not even sworn in yet.

*shaking head*

re: #216 Big Steve

I want to see all the Hollywood types kids picking trash along the highway

there will be a hierarchy of dirty work. and bribery.
and an option to buy your way out of service.
or the least dirty.
this will be corrupt.
people will rebel. even the libs.

How will all this be enforced?

Children will be arrested for not performing properly while enslaved?

His first initiative will be to create The Department of Change.

/I jest, but this might actually come true.

re: #207 howyadoin

That's not the heart and soul of that amendment. That amendment is to prevent the abuse and use of kids. Money isn't the decider, there, I don't think.

The programs will be couched as providing a sense of community spirit and patriotism, working for the common good and building moral character.

re: #66 lawhawk

And the bureaucracy that will spring up to ensure that everyone does the mandatory community service? That's a black hole for taxpayer revenues.

ACORN will monitor and coordinate the community service. They'll get a grant.

re: #233 Syrah

The Left sure loves to compel.

"People volunteer better under force." - Frank Burns

WTF? He's going to require us to volunteer? How on earth does that even make sense?

I don't know what Obama was doing when he was in college to make him think that I have time for 100 hours of "volunteer" work--especially not next semester, when I start upper-division courses.

Who would have thought that we'd live to see the day when a president--and to make it even more ironic, our first black president!--proposed violating our Thirteenth Amendment rights?!

The past couple of days, I've been doing my homework in the computer science computer lab, where, as I work, I can participate in loud and angry discussions with other students (and occasionally even professors) from the department, all of whom are conservatives and/or libertarians, about Obama's election.

Looks like we're going to have something new to talk about tonight.

re: #237 DistantThunder

Considering the state (no pun intended) of todays public schools, that might not be too bad!

re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Many private schools still need to be accredited by the State Boards of Education. Compliance to the program could become part of the accreditation process. Combine this with the idea that participation in the programs become a requirement for college admissions, perhaps not officially, but as a general rule of thumb, and there you go.

What about home-schoolers?

re: #233 Syrah

The Left sure loves to compel.

No, comply!

re: #206 nyc redneck

i will not submit.

I'll second that.

Here is what will really kill this idea -

What if you are a Scoutmaster of a Boyscout troop?

Will those hours count? Yes? But what about the Boyscouts excluding homosexuals? At that point is it no longer valid national service? It isn't? Will most Americans accept that?

Pressure groups will come out of the woodwork on this one, trying to include and exclude types of service based on identity politics.

The only answer will be to create an agency and make all service be performed under that agency, with a cadre of "community organizers" on the payroll to coordinate everything. So time you volunteer for your church won't count, but time spent working for ACORN will.

Once Americans realize that the Blue Dogs won't support it.

DOA.

Volunteer this!
Between work and home there is not much free time left and this is especially true for people with children.

re: #98 MandyManners

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

This keeps coming up, and it may in fact be useful. However: what about the draft? We're obviously missing something here, since the draft was never found to be unconstitutional despite vast amounts of effort to unseat it.

well folks...I am volunteering to leave work early today...have a good one.

re: #57 pat

Let us not get too excited. This will go down in Congress like the Hindenburg.

Naybe.

re: #245 Gearhead

ACORN writ large.

So, perhaps coopt 'em while they're at it. After all, they claim nonpartisanship - so show'em how it's done. /