Good, because it would have been against the 13th Amendment.

Good thing we have the 13th Amendment. He can go fly a kite.

I wonder if "spreading the wealth" will be voluntary?

I suspect we'll see a lot of revisions

He's thrown his charter bus .. under the bus?

Good, because that dog wouldn't have hunted.

quick, somebody publicize his plans to raise my taxes

"Lo and behold. " Well, it's not going to be the only thing that gets "thrown that “requirement” part down the memory hole". Just the um, primary one...

service is servitude

re: #7 Shug

quick, somebody publicize his plans to raise my taxes

Heh.

Change we can... never mind.

re: #4 SpartanWoman

I suspect we'll see a lot of revisions

Every day until 1/21/13.

He'll be a lame duck on day one... if we do our jobs.

Flip-flopping this early?

A majority of college professors approve.

re: #13 velsin

He'll be a lame duck on day one... if we do our jobs.

He's got one year before the congresscritters begin worrying about their job security.

He's bringing SO MUCH change that he's changing his changes! Amazing!

re: #15 jaunte

A majority of college professors approve.

Now if they made college professors do 100 hrs of community service a year...

re: #15 jaunte

A majority of college professors approve.

Not this one!

"Oh my God! You mean people are actually paying attention to what I say now? I'm gonna have to watch it."

Ch ch ch changes!

re: #19 little boomer

I congratulate you for standing on principle!

re: #15 jaunte

A majority of college professors approve.

They'll be the ones overseeing the "community service."

re: #15 jaunte

Exactly! College tuitions will now rise approximately...oh, I'd say $4000.
But have no fear!
The rising cost of college will be met with... another federal program!
Heh, heh.

the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

Unless the colleges are going to give away $4,000 worth of college tuition, then it isn't free

somebody will get the bill.

and that somebody is probably named shug

I often stand alone.

I'm a tad confused here. Obama now says that
"all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."
BUT - I thought a tax credit went to those folks who have to pay taxes. So that, for example, if you owed say $8,000 in Federal income taxes, that $4,000 tax credit would mean you'd only owe $4,000 in Federal Income taxes.
If I'm right - and I'm not sure about this, wouldn't that mean that a college student would have to earn enough money to owe at least $4,000 in Federal Income Taxes to take advantage of that credit?

Well, he filled up the primary memory hole, topped off the general election memory hole, and now he's made his first deposit into the president-elect memory hole.

I'm buying stock in a shovel company!

re: #16 Who Watches the Watchmen?

He's got one year before the congresscritters begin worrying about their job security.

The way the election process starts earlier and earlier every election cycle the past 10-15 years, Dear Leader has six months at best before his Congressional comrades that are up for the 2010 mid-terms become less concerned with pushing through DL's agenda and more concerned with re-election.

so he's gone from forcing college students to spend a 100 hours a year to pick up litter off the street to basically paying them $40 an hour to pick up litter off the street. He sure jumps from fascist dictator back to merely big time liberal pretty fast

re: #7 Shug

quick, somebody publicize his plans to raise my taxes

[Link: change.gov...]

and

[Link: change.gov...]

re: #25 Shug

whoah d00d...is that the TAANSTAFL thing again?

Well, this is a promising sign. He's moderating his positions already.

Oh, how the Kos Kids will squeal.

re: #26 little boomer

I often stand alone.

One of the cool things about working in an evil capitalist position is I'm surrounded by other evil capitalists.

re: #27 realwest

Details...details.

re: #26 little boomer

I often stand alone.

I applaud you! It can't be easy. Locally here's the break down.

Sen. Barack Obama has received some 591 reported campaign contributions from University of Washington professors and staff.

The number received by Sen. John McCain? Seven.

Reposted from previous thread:

From Instapundit:

SOME THOUGHTS ON OBAMA'S mandatory volunteerism plan. Plus, reader Nancy Anne Potts writes:

Looks like the change.gov site is true to it's title - it changes!

During the time when I was looking at the blog you linked to concerned mandatory community service the change.gov page saying "require community service" changed to goal for community service. The new wording is:

"... Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."

I found the the cached page on Google it has the original "required" wording.

Looks like they caught their "mistake". Now will the real plan please step forward -- goal or required. (Although the way government sets goals, they often wind up looking like requirements so maybe the two aren't all that different.)

Ugh! I see card check made the economy page too. He may be the president elect but I don't have to like his plans!

Not until the second term. Then that will be made mandatory, too . . .

Meanwhile, Robert Bidinotto comments: "Anyone recall what the Soviets used to do to history books?" The Obama folks have a history of airbrushing.

Not even three full days after he was elected and he's already having to un-promise. This doesn't bode well for those who hung on his every word and touted all the wonderful things he was going to do for us!

I have a sneaking suspicion that these next two months are going to be eye openers for Mr Obama.

Yeah "Free", as in let's redistribute some of mine and your tax dollars so that college kids who want to study "critical feminist theory of the white supremacist oppression" can do so. bleh.

re: #27 realwest

You silly goose!
The old phrase "vote-buying handout" has now been replaced with the delightfully Orwellian "tax credit."
CHANGE!

Any one get a screen capture of his original plan to draft everyone from ages 12 to 22?

I don't get this. Is he not permitted to improve on an original idea? Would the rashness of his original intention be atoned by his obstinacy in adhering to it? [Apologies to Austen.] Don't we want him to change what was initially an obnoxious and possibly illegal idea to something that's at least voluntary?

It would be nice if every draft of every publically issued policy idea were numbered and linked to the original, but is this a realistic expectation? Is it necessary?

re: #25 Shug

Unless the colleges are going to give away $4,000 worth of college tuition, then it isn't free

somebody will get the bill.

and that somebody is probably named shug

So YOU'RE the one.

When I was a little girl, I asked my mom who the guy on TV, wearing a straw boater hat and yelling, was. She said he was "a taxpayer." For years, I thought he paid everyone's taxes. I understood why he was yelling.

re: #34 Cattt

One of the cool things about working in an evil capitalist position is I'm surrounded by other evil capitalists.

I work in a capitalistic engineer outfit. I can't fathom the number of Obamanics I work with.

re: #35 BignJames
Uh, actually BignJames that was a serious question. Is he really saying a tax credit - in the meaning I described (which, again, I'm not sure is correct) in #27 above, or is he saying that students will receive a $4,000 college tuition credit?
Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Gee...and I have had fun telling my 17 yr old son who was all for Obama,,, that he was going to have to go out and do community service...I wonder if the 3 weeks he put in working on/in a Haunted House...that gives all its funds to a different charity each year...counts towards those 50 hours...he did more than the 50...do the extra hours transfer to next year?

re: #30 Boolz

I don't think there will be much in the way of picking litter up off the streets.
I DO think there will be quite a bit of...cough, cough...community organizing.

Lets hope he caves on the tax increases too. The next four years i going to be expensive.

re: #41 Neo Con since 9-11

Any one get a screen capture of his original plan to draft everyone from ages 12 to 22?

Here's a Google cache and a PDF of it.

re: #28 stevieray

Well, he filled up the primary memory hole, topped off the general election memory hole, and now he's made his first deposit into the president-elect memory hole.

I'm buying stock in a shovel company!

Dear Leader's been filling so many memory holes, he might need one of these...

;-P

This will be the first big Dead Idea.

re: #45 realwest

Uh, actually BignJames that was a serious question. Is he really saying a tax credit - in the meaning I described (which, again, I'm not sure is correct) in #27 above, or is he saying that students will receive a $4,000 college tuition credit?
Sorry if this is a dumb question.

It's a great question.
You read the fine print.

He's counting on his cheery volunteers to not do that

My kids already have requirements for x-number of hours of community service to graduate from public high school. I think its 20 hours per year for both 11th and 12th grade.

re: #41 Neo Con since 9-11

Here you go... Change: Obama's plan is "evolving"

re: #35 BignJames

Details...details.

Details exactly. The original 'requirement' verbage was quite detailed about the number of hours required of different segments of the population. Harder, then to explain away the original and unqualified use of the word 'requirement' as a misstatement at least of true intention.

And as I mentioned in the previous thread, Obama is touted as being a 'Constitutional Law Professor'. Shouldn't he know just a bit about the 13th Amendment then?

I love the smell of burning rubber at night. The next 4 years are going to be action packed with skid-marks, zig-zags, 180's, 360's. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that stupid plan has been watered down -- won't be long until it's dead completely. But this guy is such a lightweight, watching him flail around with his friends at BlowOn.org whacking him from one side and reality whacking him from the other is going to be a hoot. A sad, sickening hoot, but a hoot nonetheless.

Same as during the whole election ...how many times did Charles post here something on Obama website and not long after it was either scrubbed or changed ...Obama will always go for the softer sounding words ...the bills he tries to get passed will need to gone over with a fine toothed comb ...the only way to hold him accountable will be for bloggers to keep him in check ...

I know Charles posted a thread about the Tres. Dept. and Sharia Finances but I wish it would come out in the media ...I have forwarded that link to many of my friends who had no idea even such a thing existed ...I wish some reporter would ask Bush about it or Obama ...

Worst president (elect) since Johnson. Andrew, that.

I'm getting more pissed by the day, and my language is getting rougher.

this does not bode well for our future. it answers the question of whether or not he is an ideologue or just a rabble rousing fraud that will move to the center.
this yutz has lofty goals that aren't friendly to personal freedoms. i'm sure the service options available to the youth will include a heavy dose of Ayers style political indoctrination. cue up the propaganda films of the happy soviet collective farms.

re: #18 SpartanWoman

Now if they made college professors do 100 hrs of community service a year...

Make it 1000 hours for the college professors.

What happened to the Explorer "favorites" logo for LGF? It changed.

The other Hussen, via Southpark,

"I can change, I can change!"

re: #45 realwest

Oh I understand...It's kinda like the 95% of working families recieving a tax cut...does that include the 35% that don't pay taxes?

re: #11 logboy

Change we can...Change?

re: #61 winemaker

What happened to the Explorer "favorites" logo for LGF? It changed.

Change!

re: #42 transient I see where you are with this and I agree with you, he is indeed allowed to change his plans and programs. What I don't understand is why he did it by essentially re-writing certain parts of it - after no doubt hearing of the immense amount of criticism his origianal plan brought about and did that "re-write" on the sly? Why not just say upon further reflection, I think my ideas on community service should be [fill in the new version here]?

$4,000 credit for 100 hours? That's $40 per hour. Not too shabby. Now that there's 10 million unemployed, perhaps Obama can devise a program for everyone. Everyone who wants a job will be provided one courtesy of Obama, Inc.

re: #47 wolfie

have you seen some of the folk they organize? Community organizers...picking up the trash...I don't see the difference

re: #44 jcm

I work in a capitalistic engineer outfit. I can't fathom the number of Obamanics I work with.

I work in securities/finance. I know one person who is an Obamaniac. Most everyone else - is totally not with that program. They roll their eyes a lot when the subject comes up.

The Obamaniac is a nice person, but when I reminded her I could crush her (she's exceptionally delicate, and I'm not), she stopped trying to convince me that Obama is THE ONE.

The Clintons finally figured out they needed to use polls or focus groups to vet their silly nonsense before they sprung it upon us. The Zero™ will learn this too.

re: #68 Boolz

Sometimes there is, indeed, a fine line!

re: #70 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Clintons finally figured out they needed to use polls or focus groups to vet their silly nonsense before they sprung it upon us. The Zero™ will learn this too.

PIMF- Vett

Why is that everything on that site has an "Obama will... Obama would... Obama says..."? References to him by just his last name are very unnerving. Not sure why yet... but it's creepy when the person refers to himself in the 3rd person on "his" site.

re: #52 Shug
Well of course I read the fine print - I am still a lawyer!
"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away." - can't remember who said that, but 'tis true nonetheless.

re: #69 Cattt

I work in securities/finance. I know one person who is an Obamaniac. Most everyone else - is totally not with that program. They roll their eyes a lot when the subject comes up.

The Obamaniac is a nice person, but when I reminded her I could crush her (she's exceptionally delicate, and I'm not), she stopped trying to convince me that Obama is THE ONE.

re: #69 Cattt
Being in Seattle is part of it. When it comes to politics they through logic and reason out the window.

I work in securities/finance. I know one person who is an Obamaniac. Most everyone else - is totally not with that program. They roll their eyes a lot when the subject comes up.

The Obamaniac is a nice person, but when I reminded her I could crush her (she's exceptionally delicate, and I'm not), she stopped trying to convince me that Obama is THE ONE.

If it's going to be this easy to make him re-consider each of is asinine policy ideas, then perhaps the next 4 years won't be so bad.

/

O/T somewhat, I have been skimming some other political forums, and moonbats are pissed-- about Rahm Emanuel! Not because he's a douche, of course, but because he's "pro-israel" and the son of an "Israeli terrorist."

Perhaps BHo will get squeezed by both ends enough to make him completely ineffective..

OT- Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to see Bush pardon a few thousand people to haunt the left and then resign from office about a week or so before his term ends so Cheney could become the 44th President for awhile and deregulate everything in his power through executive orders.
Might as well have some fun here. Besides, I'm hearing from some of my Chinese in-laws that being the 44th President is about as unlucky as it gets. The number 44 basically translates to double death. Could have fooled me, 43 seemed pretty freaking unlucky.

re: #49 gmsc

This is the great thing about the internet. Once its online, it can't be killed.

Ever.

If we stick true to ourselves, we'll come out on the other side. Hopefully the republicans still in office figure this one out too. Before Jan 20th I plan on saving hard copies of all this crazy stuff, just in case. Everyone else should do it too. There are easy instructions available online to save youtube videos.

Once its online, it can't die, no matter how much they may try to destroy the information...

Has Obama scrubbed the plan that involved taking from the profits of Freddie and Fannie to fund more affordable housing?

That was still up in September, despite the fact that there were no profits.

re: #28 stevieray

Well, he filled up the primary memory hole, topped off the general election memory hole, and now he's made his first deposit into the president-elect memory hole.

I'm buying stock in a shovel company!

Not big enough. He'll need several of these.

I can't wait to see what happens when he announces his national health care proposal. Should we hazard a guess as to how many times the numbers will decrease with each successive change?

re: #76 astronmr20

If it's going to be this easy to make him re-consider each of is asinine policy ideas, then perhaps the next 4 years won't be so bad.

/

O/T somewhat, I have been skimming some other political forums, and moonbats are pissed-- about Rahm Emanuel! Not because he's a douche, of course, but because he's "pro-israel" and the son of an "Israeli terrorist."

Perhaps BHo will get squeezed by both ends enough to make him completely ineffective..

Ok, so they're pissed because he's a Jew. I want to get myself a few dozen Kos accounts and really go hard on the "Jew" thing. That would be funny.

Effin dumbass, that one. If you think a CEO knows what's going on in every crevice, you're wrong. But eventually (soon), there will be a moratorium on dumb flunkies making press releases - or posting content on "official" sites.

Too bad, that, when it happens. Until then, it will be entertaining.

re: #70 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Clintons finally figured out they needed to use polls or focus groups to vet their silly nonsense before they sprung it upon us. The Zero™ will learn this too.

The internet is the ultimate focus group!

This guy puts Orwell's Ministry of Truth to shame.

re: #76 astronmr20

My hope is that now he has to implement policy, he'll find the far left so incredibly annoying in the process that he'll move to the center.

fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

I think it used to be $7,000. The p/e ratio of Hope and Change is dropping.

re: #67 solomonpanting

Quoth the Rachl Lukis:

HA HA HA HA HA!

re: #49 gmsc

Thanks, I don't want that idiotic idea to disappear when it's time to oppose Obama in 2012.

re: #60 RirghtSideOfTheFence

Make it 1000 hours for the college professors.

I would say no thank you to that. I'd rather they just stay on topic and teach the academic lesson rather than spend even more hours 'out in the community' to sway the minds of students toward Marxism and 'Progressivism'.

I suspect we will see quite a few "trial balloon" policies floated between now and the time he assumes office. The will tweak according to outcry, it's how the dems operate.

re: #77 mfarmer1

The Zero™ would rescind those executive orders on 1-21-2009.

A shame they can't send Rahm Emanuel's book down the memory hole.

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs.

Yeah, and when they're done with that, they'll help organize the community...on the taxpayer dime.

If you got it, give it up. Cuz that's how O rolls, yo.

Conservatives suggest that people should work to earn $$ = bad

O suggests mandating that people work to earn $$ = good.

This wasn't in the brochure.

What, so it's not gonna be compulsory now? Bummer, I was looking forward to a little civil disobedience.

re: #42 transient

I don't get this. Is he not permitted to improve on an original idea? Would the rashness of his original intention be atoned by his obstinacy in adhering to it? [Apologies to Austen.] Don't we want him to change what was initially an obnoxious and possibly illegal idea to something that's at least voluntary?

It would be nice if every draft of every publically issued policy idea were numbered and linked to the original, but is this a realistic expectation? Is it necessary?

It shows his style, which is to kick you in the butt, and then offer you a cookie. Under the circumstances, you're unlikely to question the cookie.

Theme Song for President-elect Obama's "airbrushing":

Changes

re: #26 little boomer

do that and you'll go blind.

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

A shame they can't send Rahm Emanuel's book down the memory hole.

Yeah, and when they're done with that, they'll help organize the community...on the taxpayer dime.

OH SHI-!

Whoops.

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

What, so it's not gonna be compulsory now? Bummer, I was looking forward to a little civil disobedience.

Trust me, there will be other opportunities for it.

Vlaams Belang apologists are now showing up in the last threads on that subject, like they always do--after they think most people are gone, and they'll be able to post their lies and have them be the last word.

It's the same tactic the creationists use, oddly enough.

re: #67 solomonpanting

$4,000 credit for 100 hours? That's $40 per hour. Not too shabby. Now that there's 10 million unemployed, perhaps Obama can devise a program for everyone. Everyone who wants a job will be provided one courtesy of Obama, Inc.

And just what kind of work would qualify?
Community Service = Community Organizing?
Work for ACORN and get some tuition paid?

/Are those campaign workers still waiting on their debit cards, or have they more community service to do?

I've always thought that Clinton's peace corps thing that he touted during his election and now Obama's 'volunteering' are all about creating young Democrats in training. Something tells me the leaders of these organazations wouldn't be afraid to share their political beliefs with their young conscripts.

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Just like the income threshhold where it used to be if you make under 250k, your taxes "won't go up by a penny", then it changed to 200k, ect, ect.

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

A shame they can't send Rahm Emanuel's book down the memory hole.

Yeah, and when they're done with that, they'll help organize the community...on the taxpayer dime.

Actually again .. i end up thinking the other way. Indentured Servitude, actually getting out and doing things to promote the wellbeing of the country, might upgrade the patriotism of the little tykes. Turning them into fully patriotic Republicans for the long term, remembering Democratic servitude.

See .. we win again !

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

A shame they can't send Rahm Emanuel's book down the memory hole.

Yeah, and when they're done with that, they'll help organize the community...on the taxpayer dime.

Hey, it worked for the Soviets! . . . for a while.

The other thing to watch about an Obama administration: both Virginia Postrel and I have posts about how many people, especially journalists and policy wonks, tend to project their own desires into what he says because it's so vague. Expect some of his administrators to go overboard with their initiatives thinking he said he supports them when he probably just said something generic.

re: #105 Buster Bunny

Actually again .. i end up thinking the other way. Indentured Servitude, actually getting out and doing things to promote the wellbeing of the country, might upgrade the patriotism of the little tykes. Turning them into fully patriotic Republicans for the long term, remembering Democratic servitude.

See .. we win again !

If one wants to get their kids involved in emergency preparedness, there is the Red Cross. They do some great training

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I think it used to be $7,000. The p/e ratio of Hope and Change is dropping.

So is the definition of "wealthy". Started at $250K a year, now it's down to $150K a year. By the time The Zero™ gets inaugurated people on welfare will be "rich".

bet you get 8000 for going to camp ruckus for your "community service." 100 dollar bonus for each fur wearer on who you throw blood. bonuses for tree sitting/spiking, voter fraud... earn the whole sum in 10 minutes by bombing a recruiting center!

yep. all kinds of service available for the youths under Obama

His corps is a way to siphon off young people from serving in the military--a kind of non-violent alternative--so that he can indoctrinate them. I hope some savvy kids sign up and expose the truth of it.

Triumph of projection-

1984, knockin' at your door

Never once appreciating the irony of the freedom that allowed us to reach this glorious day, the Ascension of the Obamessiah, our Redeemer.

/are you dense enough to require a tag?

Lizards I leave you for tonight. My one beer of a Friday night is gone, I'm dead tired, fighting a cold and heading to bed.

I leave you with the strong recommendation to watch the full 28 minutes, it's just as relevant today as it was 44 years ago. The facts and figures are different but the ideas are exactly what we need for the next 4 years.

I give you Ronald Wilson Reagan's speech in support of Barry Goldwater, given on October 27, 1964.

A Time for Choosing

re: #109 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So is the definition of "wealthy". Started at $250K a year, now it's down to $150K a year. By the time The Zero™ gets inaugurated people on welfare will be "rich".

Wealthy - earns more than welfare.

Welfare - lives like wealthy without earning to get wealthy

Upper crust - The shavings around the bread that only the wealthy will get.

re: #101 Charles

Vlaams Belang apologists are now showing up in the last threads on that subject, like they always do--after they think most people are gone, and they'll be able to post their lies and have them be the last word.

It's the same tactic the creationists use, oddly enough.

I heard the Pope speak a few days ago. He mentioned man coming up from the the sea to walk on land.

re: #104 mitthrawnurdo

Just like the income threshhold where it used to be if you make under 250k, your taxes "won't go up by a penny", then it changed to 200k, ect, ect.

Didn't it finally wind up at $97,000.00?

Clean Energy Corps. That would be funny if not for being so fucking ridiculous and sad.

Brilliant engineers and chemists and physicists running around in shorts. My head is hurting.

To a Democrat there are always profits to tax. Other peoples money.

Personally, if you can stomach it, I'd reccomend finding a copy of the little red book (I believe you can read the text for free online)

A lot of Obama's rhetoric appears to have been pulled straight from Mao's playbook. Mao's writing style is also eerily similar in its vapid nature.

*dons tinfoil hat, tips it at a rakish angle* Maybe Ayers co-wrote Mao's Little Red Book? *removes tinfoil hat, walks off into the sunset*

re: #103 middlecon

I've always thought that Clinton's peace corps thing that he touted during his election and now Obama's 'volunteering' are all about creating young Democrats in training. Something tells me the leaders of these organazations wouldn't be afraid to share their political beliefs with their young conscripts.

Clinton started Americorps. The Peace was here long before him.

re: #81 IntrepidIncrease! not decrease. Obambis' proposed programs are gonna make FDR seem like a penny ante poker player.

Vlaams Belang .. werent they a finnish rock group that won Eurovision a couple of years ago?

re: #101 Charles
Charles, isn't there some way you can block their accounts (I'm assuming here that they are not overseas or something which would legitimately make their posts some of the last posts - and I'm pretty sure they are NOT!)?

re: #118 MandyManners

Don't know.

re: #114 jcm

Lizards I leave you for tonight. My one beer of a Friday night is gone, I'm dead tired, fighting a cold and heading to bed.

I leave you with the strong recommendation to watch the full 28 minutes, it's just as relevant today as it was 44 years ago. The facts and figures are different but the ideas are exactly what we need for the next 4 years.

I give you Ronald Wilson Reagan's speech in support of Barry Goldwater, given on October 27, 1964.

A Time for Choosing

here's a link to more Reagan.
I've requested "Speaking My Mind" and "Reagan In His Own Voice" for my birthday. Need some uplifting.

I've been on a "conservative" mailing list for the past couple of years, with many bloggers you would recognize. I didn't ask to be on this list; they put me on it and I never asked to be removed.

Tonight they're all emailing about Atlas Shrugs' latest wacko post about Obama's birth certificate -- with approval.

What in the living hell is wrong with these people?

I unsubscribed from the list.

I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt after 9/11, seeing the people I thought were friends and allies morphing into something ugly and wrong.

re: #101 Charles

Vlaams Belang apologists are now showing up in the last threads on that subject, like they always do--after they think most people are gone, and they'll be able to post their lies and have them be the last word.

It's the same tactic the creationists use, oddly enough.

Slime tactics .. and nasty.

re: #66 realwest

I see where you are with this and I agree with you, he is indeed allowed to change his plans and programs. What I don't understand is why he did it by essentially re-writing certain parts of it - after no doubt hearing of the immense amount of criticism his origianal plan brought about and did that "re-write" on the sly? Why not just say upon further reflection, I think my ideas on community service should be [fill in the new version here]?

I do see your point, and I am trying to recall an instance where a politician actually openly admitted his first ideas were stupid and revised accordingly. Often they are afraid to do that because they will look indecisive. I think it's more common to have an aide float a "trial balloon." Embryonic ideas are not usually publicized. We are now in the age of the internet, and Obama has made more extensive use of the net than perhaps any other candidate. So I guess no one's figured out the rules yet. Maybe these policy ideas should be labeled "Working Ideas," or something similar so that there is understanding that the idea is not immutable.

America wants Change We Can Cross-Reference!

One of my sisters with a pair of draft eligible sons has railed nonsensically about the impending draft to be imposed by Chimpy McHitlerburton. I'm sure she'll be thrilled the boys are now eligible for community service.

Good thing they pay more attention to their uncle.

re: #111 Reluctant Democrat

His corps is a way to siphon off young people from serving in the military--a kind of non-violent alternative--so that he can indoctrinate them. I hope some savvy kids sign up and expose the truth of it.

You got that right. One meme on the left is that the military disproportionately targets children of color in the inner city for recruitment. Google "poverty draft."

re: #122 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Clinton started Americorps. The Peace was here long before him.

PIMF- Peace Corps.

re: #101 Charles
I hate Illinois Nazis.

re: #101 Charles

Ha -- it's like showing up to the debate after the auditorium is empty, and whispering your argument into a disconnected microphone.

re: #100 MandyManners

True, but I was looking forward to the headline: "Overage Community College Student Refuses Mandatory Community Service, Now A Political Prisoner".

/I know, too long and potentially truthful for a headline, but a guy can dream...

re: #115 Buster Bunny

Wealthy - earns more than welfare.

Welfare - lives like wealthy without earning to get wealthy

Upper crust - The shavings around the bread that only the wealthy will get.

Heard talk today that they want to redefine poverty as meaning non-self-sufficient, meaning what it costs for a family of four to live in a city like Los Angeles, around $50k to $75k.

re: #101 Charles

Vlaams Belang apologists are now showing up in the last threads on that subject, like they always do--after they think most people are gone, and they'll be able to post their lies and have them be the last word.

It's the same tactic the creationists use, oddly enough.

In an earlier message I credited you with being willing to "call out the nuts" on our side of the fence.
For some reason, probably lack of sleep, this gave me a Pythonesque vision of you as a robed medieval cryer, trudging behind a filthy cart on the misty streets of the plague-ravaged right, ringing a bell and shouting "Bring out your nuts! Bring out your conspiracy theorists and whack-jobs! It is so ordered!"

Maybe I should take a nap.

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

The absolute LAST thing you want is to force a bunch of lazy whiners to do community service. I've done a lot of charitable work in my life, the bulk of it with teenagers. Forcing them to do things like this generates high levels of resentment and makes them do a completely half-assed job of whatever it is you wanted them to do.

Obama may want a legion of brownshirts, but what he'll end up with is a legion of whiny emos and scene kids. (Which, admittedly, would be funny to see.) Once they see you as 'the man,'(tm) they will rebel, no matter who you are.

re: #128 Charles
They've gone around the bend, literally. It is sad.

re: #79 ClosetConservative
Nope - I don't think so - there are billions and billions of dollars owed to Bond holders (who, under US Law have a priority to income and assets over stockholders) of Fannie and Freddie.
And guess who holds approximately 50% of the Fannie/Freddie bonds - no, go ahead, guess!
YES - it's the government of Red China!

Hell, they can't draft me, I'm 5A. It'll take an Act of Congress to force me back into Uncle Sam's Armed forces, and they'd better take women and young children first.

I won't even run away to Canada, land of my Grandmother.

Change is good...Change is important for change. If there was no change then nothing would change and change could not happen, and we all know how important change is...it changes things. I hope during the next election, you are all ready to change the changes that have been changed with change.

And yes...I have gone insane from listening to this change message...it has changed me.

Changes...

My vote for the an official LGF song

re: #128 Charles

OBD in its starkest form I'm afraid. A variant of schizoaffective disorder or some wacky Folie a deux (except more than deux)

re: #118 MandyManners

Didn't it finally wind up at $97,000.00?

I think it's at 50k now.

re: #128 Charles

I just don't understand the 'silver bullet' approach. As if someone could produce a magic piece of paper and everyone's problems would go away. It never works.

Obama is a U.S. Citizen. He's our new President. Accept it and fight his leftist policy proposals with everything you've got, while respecting the office.

re: #128 Charles

I've been on a "conservative" mailing list for the past couple of years, with many bloggers you would recognize. I didn't ask to be on this list; they put me on it and I never asked to be removed.

Tonight they're all emailing about Atlas Shrugs' latest wacko post about Obama's birth certificate -- with approval.

What in the living hell is wrong with these people?

I unsubscribed from the list.

I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt after 9/11, seeing the people I thought were friends and allies morphing into something ugly and wrong.

Sometimes your friends are wrong. But they are still your friends. Perhaps like 60 odd million of them.

Of well.

re: #118 MandyManners

Didn't it finally wind up at $97,000.00?

I've seen video where he puts it at $70,000.

Options:

1. Obama is obscuring his intent in the second version. He fully intends to make it mandatory but is waiting for the best time, politically, to force it on us.
2. Obama is fine tuning his proposal and sweetening the deal with a college payoff.
3. Obama is coming up with a plan so big it will dwarf this on ... and then spring it on us as a compromise measure.
4. Obama has no idea what he's doing. A inchoate pseudo-Marxist ideology runs through his veins, and is conflicting with his politically scheming mind. In a way, he's suffering from a classid id-superego conflict.

And on that note, my wonderful Lunesta is kicking in.

Good night, dear Lizards. Dream well and sleep soundly, okay?

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

True, but I was looking forward to the headline: "Overage Community College Student Refuses Mandatory Community Service, Now A Political Prisoner".

/I know, too long and potentially truthful for a headline, but a guy can dream...

The debate here is about the re-education camps- is it better to try for a spot near the wire with a view, or should one stay near the back of the crowd to avoid notice?

Forcing all those kids do so many hours of community service would be lot harder than herding cats. Then all those law suits against it starting. And all on national TV. It would be a problem for Barry.

re: #128 Charles

Care factor Zero on the Birth Cert document.

If he's an alien from Betelgeuse, it doesnt change that he is now Pres-Elect. And he will be in charge. And there is nothing that can be done about that.

If he's good, we'll know about it.

If he's bad, he's already taking names and working out what to do next.
In that case, we'll also know about it soon.

Stick to the issues, his flimsy birth paper aint gonna change what is.

re: #128 Charles

Are people STILL hung up on the birth certificate thing? Yeesh!

You know I could have used some of Barack's indentured servants in my neighborhood. You see, we have a large, large dog population.

Well, you know what I mean.

re: #146 esch

I just don't understand the 'silver bullet' approach. As if someone could produce a magic piece of paper and everyone's problems would go away. It never works.

Obama is a U.S. Citizen. He's our new President. Accept it and fight his leftist policy proposals with everything you've got, while respecting the office.

Just to clarify: OTHER people need to accept it.

Sorry Charles.

re: #128 Charles

I've been on a "conservative" mailing list for the past couple of years, with many bloggers you would recognize. I didn't ask to be on this list; they put me on it and I never asked to be removed.

Tonight they're all emailing about Atlas Shrugs' latest wacko post about Obama's birth certificate -- with approval.

What in the living hell is wrong with these people?

I unsubscribed from the list.

I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt after 9/11, seeing the people I thought were friends and allies morphing into something ugly and wrong.

I received an email from GOPUSA a couple days before the election about birth certificate BS and Phillip Berg. I moved them to my junk mail.

re: #128 Charles

Keep On Keeping On

Bed time!

Yer Nirth Certidicate Iz Not Good!

re: #128 Charles
"What in the living hell is wrong with these people?"
Maybe there's nothing wrong with them, they just want to change the outcome of the election. Cause they are so, you know, democratic (small "d" there).

As for "I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt after 9/11, seeing the people I thought were friends and allies morphing into something ugly and wrong."
May I humbly suggest that you give this thing another month or so before making that sort of judgment?

re: #73 velsin

Why is that everything on that site has an "Obama will... Obama would... Obama says..."? References to him by just his last name are very unnerving. Not sure why yet... but it's creepy when the person refers to himself in the 3rd person on "his" site.

Agreed. Scenes from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" keep popping up in my head.

I think part of the creepy aspect comes from observing the BarryBots chanting, "Oh-Bah-Mah", over and over again. Real mindless shit.

re: #128 Charles

There's a Yeats poem that describes the effects of widening gyres when the center cannot hold...

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Of course the end of times people love that, but it fits politics pretty good at times.

re: #101 Charles

Vlaams Belang apologists are now showing up in the last threads on that subject, like they always do--after they think most people are gone, and they'll be able to post their lies and have them be the last word.

It's the same tactic the creationists use, oddly enough.

How some people behave when they think nobody is looking. As opposed to how normal people you behave when nobody is looking.

re: #153 Intrepid

That's not the only thing they're stuck on.

Don't get stuck on stupid!

re: #76 astronmr20

I have been skimming some other political forums, and moonbats are pissed-- about Rahm Emanuel! Not because he's a douche, of course, but because he's "pro-israel" and the son of an "Israeli terrorist."

Perhaps BHo will get squeezed by both ends enough to make him completely ineffective..

My fear is that Emanuel is the token Jew in the administration. And as Chief of Staff, I'm not sure how much say he has in foreign policy. Some folks are saying that with the economy, the Israel-Pal issue will be on the back burner for a while. OTOH, I recently read something in the Jpost that Obama wants to get an early start on the Mideast process, not leaving it to the second term.

To calm down.

an alien from Betelgeuse? Well, that would explain his ears

Throughout the campaign I thought Obama looked like a man in the throes of a monumental self-imposed fantasy, which was supported by the adulation of an equally fantasizing masses. Today the man already appeared as one who has had a cold splash of reality in his face, likely brought on by the "change" one experiences when the fantasy is over and the real job of governance has set in.

He looked to me tired, and a bit frightened by the enormity of the responsibility. Not to mention, he looked like a man who had had his first security briefing. All understandable. I'm not condemning him so much as I am watching him warily.

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Ai Haz Nirth Certidicate Hiddn In Bukkit

re: #170 jaunte

Lol!

If the gal over at Atlas Shrugs is right about the SCOTUS asking Obama to produce the birth certificate -- which is what she seems to be saying -- that's sorta newsy, actually.

But when you drill down into the text, it falls apart pretty quickly. It's legal wrangling on the part the lawyer who's been angling at the birth certificate for a while, now.

re: #167 spidly

Under Obama?

POTUS: Previous Out-takes Trialed Under Scrutiny.

re: #96 itellu3times

It shows his style, which is to kick you in the butt, and then offer you a cookie. Under the circumstances, you're unlikely to question the cookie.

I don't think that's what he's doing here.

re: #162 Thanos

There's a Yeats poem that describes the effects of widening gyres when the center cannot hold...

I actually was thinking of that very poem.

re: #170 jaunte

Ai Haz Nirth Certidicate Hiddn In Bukkit

Haz Bukkit? Ritch Maan!

re: #159 Killgore Trout
Then can I please get a Nerf Certificate?

/For real - I need to conceal-carry a Nerf gun, but of course not with a detatchable mag after the ban.

re: #176 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm about to get deleted. Sorry.

Change we can get every hour.

re: #154 ted

You know I could have used some of Barack's indentured servants in my neighborhood. You see, we have a large, large dog population.

Well, you know what I mean.

Servants with dentures are usually past their prime... and should be replaced.

/ ;)

re: #153 Intrepid

Are people STILL hung up on the birth certificate thing? Yeesh!

Actually the morph from Obama to Malcolm X and back to Obama was pretty chilling. There is no denying the resemblance.

Another page on the site still says "required" when it comes to "community service"...[Link: change.gov...]

re: #176 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I would think, hypothetically, if it was true, the SCOTUS would be the arbiter. But I'd think Biden would be POTUS since he's next in line.

OMG then would that elevate Pelosi to Vice President...

re: #27 realwest

I'm a tad confused here. Obama now says that
"all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."
BUT - I thought a tax credit went to those folks who have to pay taxes. So that, for example, if you owed say $8,000 in Federal income taxes, that $4,000 tax credit would mean you'd only owe $4,000 in Federal Income taxes.
If I'm right - and I'm not sure about this, wouldn't that mean that a college student would have to earn enough money to owe at least $4,000 in Federal Income Taxes to take advantage of that credit?

Sorry for the late answer. I am pretty sure that the words Universal and fully refundable mean that one would not have to pay any taxes to recieve this 'refund', much like the 'earned income credit' that is sent to low wage earners every year.

re: #128 Charles

I've been on a "conservative" mailing list for the past couple of years, with many bloggers you would recognize. I didn't ask to be on this list; they put me on it and I never asked to be removed.

Tonight they're all emailing about Atlas Shrugs' latest wacko post about Obama's birth certificate -- with approval.

What in the living hell is wrong with these people?

I unsubscribed from the list.

I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt after 9/11, seeing the people I thought were friends and allies morphing into something ugly and wrong.

I got off of the GOPUSA Friends list because they sent mt the Philip J. Berg crap the other day.

re: #172 Cognito

If the gal over at Atlas Shrugs is right about the SCOTUS asking Obama to produce the birth certificate -- which is what she seems to be saying -- that's sorta newsy, actually.

But when you drill down into the text, it falls apart pretty quickly. It's legal wrangling on the part the lawyer who's been angling at the birth certificate for a while, now.

Exactly. The lawyer is appealing the lower court's decision that the nutjob plaintiff did not have standing to bring suit over the issue. Souter has not ordered Obama to produce the birth certificate in any meaningful sense.

Otoh, I did predict that Obama will have to deny that he is the baby alien who was smuggled out of Area 51 in a worker's lunchbox in 1961.

is there anyway to access a Google cache in order to get a screen shot of the page prior to the edit?

re: #130 transient Well yeah, politicians used to float trial balloons and President Clinton was infamous for his use of polls before making any policy changes.
But you know SOME politicians have stated ideas openly and forthrightly and thereafter been labled as stupid (see, e.g., George W. Bush) because they didn't run trial balloons or polls before stating what they thought.
And I frankly thought, thoughout the primaries and the general elections, that Obama's use of the internet was...well...not the best or brightest.
That's why, as Charles was kind enough to document over and over, his official campaign website changed so frequently.
I dunno, maybe Obama is just using his website (now President-Elect Barack Obama.gov - how'd he get that .gov thing I wonder?) the way Clinton used polls.

re: #163 JammieWearingFool

How some people behave when they think nobody is looking. As opposed to how normal people you behave when nobody is looking.

The cockroaches always come out after the lights go off.

re: #175 Charles

The Second Coming?

re: #162 Thanos

I think of that poem nearly every day.

I try to shake off that feeling, but it never goes completely away...

re: #176 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I would think, hypothetically, if it was true, the SCOTUS would be the arbiter. But I'd think Biden would be POTUS since he's next in line.

I had a dear friend who proposed a fantastic theory whereby Biden is the mastermind of this entire thing, and, through massive conspiracy involving unspeakable events, becomes President.

I told him to stop drinking so much.

As Joe Quimby said: "Very well. If that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow."

Obama said...

Aww, you get it.

When he became Prez-elect, did he get a brand new memory hole to throw things down?

re: #170 jaunte
Al yur Nirth Cirtifikatis belong to uz.

re: #131 JammieWearingFool Hi Jammie! Did you ever tell your sister that Charles Rangel (D NY) actually proposed or at least publically suggested that the MILITARY draft be reinstated? If so, what'd she say?!

re: #172 Cognito

If the gal over at Atlas Shrugs is right about the SCOTUS asking Obama to produce the birth certificate -- which is what she seems to be saying -- that's sorta newsy, actually.

But when you drill down into the text, it falls apart pretty quickly. It's legal wrangling on the part the lawyer who's been angling at the birth certificate for a while, now.

Is that Berg? He's a nitwit, and a troofer.

re: #196 Osama Bin Porkchop

When he became Prez-elect, did he get a brand new memory hole to throw things down?

Memoryhole.gov

re: #177 Buster Bunny

Haz Bukkit? Ritch Maan!

I iz a kommunist, I be stealin yer bukkit! No bukkit 4U!

re: #196 Osama Bin Porkchop

When he became Prez-elect, did he get a brand new memory hole to throw things down?

And the bus got a wash and wax.

WHAT?! No compelled citizen service?!

/Damn.

re: #184 Infidel_One

OMG then would that elevate Pelosi to Vice President...

No, the Constitution doesn't work like that. The speaker of the house only assumes the Presidency if the President and VP are not able to. After Spiro Agnew resigned, Carl Albert (D-OK), would have been VP. Nixon chose Ford.

re: #196 Osama Bin Porkchop

When he became Prez-elect, did he get a brand new memory hole to throw things down?

UndertheBus.Gov

re: #107 Thanos

The other thing to watch about an Obama administration: both Virginia Postrel and I have posts about how many people, especially journalists and policy wonks, tend to project their own desires into what he says because it's so vague. Expect some of his administrators to go overboard with their initiatives thinking he said he supports them when he probably just said something generic.

It's amazing how many assumptions journalists have made about what Obama will want to do, with very little evidence. In this they are no different from the rest of the country-- but they are the ones who claim they are detached and skeptical. Journalists are still human, and subject to the same waves of emotion as the rest of us mortals.

Funny how the media critiqued itself after the Iraq war, because (they said) they were too easily swept up in war fever, and were not sufficiently objective. How many journalists have critiqued the mass conversion of journalists to the new messiah?

re: #203 Ward Cleaver
And a 4" lift kit to fit more bodies under!

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Whew...had me really worried there...cause that would be change that no one could live with

re: #178 AdamWebber

You guys took your funny pills this morning.

re: #201 SpartanWoman

Memoryhole.gov

Can I throw the math test I failed down there?

re: #184 Infidel_One

OMG then would that elevate Pelosi to Vice President...

And people worried about PALIN?

re: #32 Who Watches the Watchmen?

whoah d00d...is that the TAANSTAFL thing again?

Do I recognize a fellow Heinlein fan?

re: #208 pingjockey

And a 4" lift kit to fit more bodies under!

Six-inch lift!

re: #213 nnorb

There are a few of us in here.

re: #192 SpartanWoman

The Second Coming?

Yes

So are these "goals" like the Presidential Physical Fitness goals? Cause those were, like, really hard.

re: #202 NoSpam

I iz a kommunist, I be stealin yer bukkit! No bukkit 4U!

Kay w'ell yuz bee taykin da baybeez doop owt yerself ! Hanz on !

re: #215 esch

There are a few of us in here.

I knew I liked this place for more than just its politics!

re: #213 nnorb

Do I recognize a fellow Heinlein fan?

re: #207 transient

How many journalists have critiqued the mass conversion of journalists to the new messiah?

That's the reason there is no birth certificate.

re: #208 pingjockey

Eventually the road will be so choked with bodies that the bus will bottom out on them and stop driving.

Sooner or later, this man will betray someone far nastier and far smarter than he. And then things will get interesting.

re: #214 Ward Cleaver
4" body lift, 8" suspension lift. That'll give us a foot. Ton of room for bodies.

re: #190 realwest

This was his first big policy as president elect. You'd think it would be highly refined before it was released... its not the election anymore, there is no need for speed. Especially troubling because it was a written statement... it can't be dismissed as a verbal fumble.

Somebody seriously thought that would pass constitutional muster and the public would applaud it.

Somebody was wrong on both counts.

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him."
--- Robert Heinlein

This election was unusually intense and a lot of people are having a hard time moving out of the zone of high passion.
They need to snap out of it.

re: #219 nnorb

Drink deep and cherish the essence.

so I'm getting the idea that it is OK to post snarky comments Regarding the Atlas Shrugs post, but not to wonder what would be the implications if it were true.
Not saying it is or isn't...just wondering.

jeez

re: #220 Stonemason

Wow...whole lot of words somewhere else in the ether...hmmm, maybe the wrong tick, maybe the wrong words.

re: #216 Bobibutu

Yes

I'm a big WWI era literature fan

re: #215 esch

There are a few of us in here.

probably more than a few...

+ the subset of RAH fans interacts and is co-mingled with the Python fans...

;)

The poem "The Second Coming" meant a lot more at the time it was written, nowadays it's quoted a lot in hysterical manner, but really it's got a couple of truths in it. When there's no leadership, the worst amongst us sometimes try to lead because they are driven by fear - I call it the "Lord of the Flies" effect...

re: #143 Infidel_One

My vote for the an official LGF song

Seconded.

re: #150 American Soldier

The debate here is about the re-education camps- is it better to try for a spot near the wire with a view, or should one stay near the back of the crowd to avoid notice?

Well, considering that I was a rebellious teenager from the generation that remembers when Dee Snider used to host "Heavy Metal Mania", re-educating me is gonna be tough. I wasn't near as stubborn and set in my ways as I am today, and "The Establishment" had a hell of a time educating me back then. More likely than not, I'd probably end up "missing" before I made it to any "Joy Camp".
/

re: #231 slokat

guilty on both counts. and that's just a start.

re: #163 JammieWearingFool Uh "As opposed to how normal people you behave when nobody is looking."
what?

Next thing you know people will say there are a few Callahan's Crosstime Saloon fans also. Hmmm the rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper.

re: #218 Buster Bunny

Kay w'ell yuz bee taykin da baybeez doop owt yerself ! Hanz on !

Ob4ma'll be makkin teh scene kiddies kleens it 4 kommunity serviz, so iz OK.

re: #219 nnorb

How many hits did your youtube video get?

re: #231 slokat
That is cause a whole lot of us here have warped senses of humor and read a lot of intelligent stuff!

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

Damn! I KNEW there was some reason he took New Mexico so easliy!

This is right out of the Weather Underground playbook

Our intention is to engage the enemy ... to wear away at him, to harass him, to isolate him, to expose every weakness, to pounce, to reveal his vulnerability.

Our intention is to encourage the people ... to provoke leaps in
confidence and consciousness, to stir the imagination, to popularize power,
to agitate, to organize, to join in every way possible the people's day-to-day struggles.

Our intention is to forge an underground ... a clandestine political
organization engaged in every form of struggle, protected from the eyes and weapons of the state, a base against repression, to accumulate lessons, experience and constant practice, a base from which to attack.

Our strategy was the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM). It was
aimed at extending the movement among young people -to expand its base
and class character, to mobilize those affected by the draft, the army,
unemployment, schools, prisons, into anti-imperialist struggle. RYM was a
transitional strategy to maintain the militant mass base on the campuses,
while we deepened our base among the working class. Young people's
openness and consciousness/identification with militant anti-imperialism was a strategic strength.

Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the seizure of
power, and the creation of socialism. Our strategy for this stage of the
struggle is to organize the oppressed people of the imperial nation itself to
join with the colonies in the attack on imperialism. This process of attacking
and weakening imperialism involves the defeat of all kinds of national
chauvinism and arrogance; this is a precondition to our fight for socialism.

re: #207 transient

they won't do that until their W-2s come in

re: #222 NoSpam

Eventually the road will be so choked with bodies that the bus will bottom out on them and stop driving.

Just high center for a bit, lose control...no biggee

re: #238 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

13,555

re: #232 Thanos

The poem "The Second Coming" meant a lot more at the time it was written, nowadays it's quoted a lot in hysterical manner, but really it's got a couple of truths in it. When there's no leadership, the worst amongst us sometimes try to lead because they are driven by fear - I call it the "Lord of the Flies" effect...

The devastation of the war and the prospect of worse to come

re: #225 jaunte

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him."
--- Robert Heinlein

Shit, I thought Heinlein was a beer.
/

re: #236 nnorb

Yeah it's definitely hare-raising around here sometimes.

re: #207 transient

Journalists are still human, and subject to the same waves of emotion as the rest of us mortals.

Got a link for that? Or are you just making that up right there?

re: #163 JammieWearingFool

How some people behave when they think nobody is looking. As opposed to how normal people you behave when nobody is looking.

Heh, you should see how I behave when everybody is looking.
/Okay, maybe not.

Dear Cheeseburger Jerks, While I enjoy your enchanting photos of attractive felines, I deeply resent your continued implication that said felines are fundamentally incapable of cogent communication.

re: #224 stevieray

This was his first big policy as president elect. You'd think it would be highly refined before it was released... its not the election anymore, there is no need for speed. Especially troubling because it was a written statement... it can't be dismissed as a verbal fumble.

Somebody seriously thought that would pass constitutional muster and the public would applaud it.

Somebody was wrong on both counts.

Actually this all comes from the book by Emmanuel called The Plan.

re: #231 slokat

I think this sums it all up quite nicely:

re: #165 transient
It's my understanding - limited though it may be - that the POTUS's Chief of Staff is the gatekeeper: he decided who can and cannot get to see and speak face to face with the POTUS. If I'm correct, that is a VERY POWERFUL POSITION.

re: #234 esch

I tell you three times I need a shrubbery?

Maybe - Center! or I shall taunt you again?

re: #244 nnorb

13,555

Wow, that's good considering posted it, what? Two weeks before the election?

re: #246 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

"Always store beer in a dark place. "
---Robert Heinlein

That way your room-mate won't find it.

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, you should see how I behave when everybody is looking.
/Okay, maybe not.

LOL

re: #248 razorbacker

Got a link for that? Or are you just making that up right there?

I thought Cognito was here for a second lol

re: #225 jaunte

I like this one, I think it dovetails with yours.

"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order."
Friedrich August von Hayek

re: #147 Harry Tuttle

Sometimes your friends are wrong. But they are still your friends. Perhaps like 60 odd million of them.

Of well.

True enough. If we abandoned everyone who ever said or did something stupid we'd be lonely and self-hating.

re: #258 Wishing

I thought Cognito was here for a second lol

Er, I am here.

re: #254 slokat

Actually soon we'll need the political humor:

'Just because some watery tart gives you a sword is no basis for a system of government'

/I see potential here...hmmm...

re: #253 realwest

It's my understanding - limited though it may be - that the POTUS's Chief of Staff is the gatekeeper: he decided who can and cannot get to see and speak face to face with the POTUS. If I'm correct, that is a VERY POWERFUL POSITION.

Exactly right, rw. Access to the President goes through him/her.

re: #237 NoSpam

Ob4ma'll be makkin teh scene kiddies kleens it 4 kommunity serviz, so iz OK.

Be makkin mor kiddiez den 4 serviz, needz biga trayla. Chainszg !

re: #255 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yup, posted 10 full days before the election. It might have changed one or two hearts, but not enough.

I gotta say things here resemble the Kos kids posting with fear and trembling that Bush and his Eichmann Cheney would be knocking down their doors and busting up their Macs and sending them to Gitmo.

Listen, I'm not saying I don't mistrust the liberal machine and the shadow Marxist plan that underlies it--I do. But the fact is we have to remember that there are many smart and relentlessly vigilant people on the side of liberty who will bust these peoples chops at every turn. The biggest thing we have to protect is our voice. I intend to do so.

/Unless of course they try to silence us. Then it is game on.