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Open | Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:10:00 pm PST

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

William Butler Yeats

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1 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:10:40pm

¡llǝɯs pɐǝɹɥʇ ʍǝu ˙ ˙ ˙ ɯɯɯɯ

2 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:11:01pm

I mean . . Mmmm . . . New thread smell!

3 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:11:37pm

Translation?

4 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:12:58pm

WooHoo...Its Friday Night!

5 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:13:13pm

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."

"Just wait till I get going!"

6 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:13:26pm

... and mome raths outgrabe.

7 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:13:40pm

re: #5 logboy

Is that from Princess Bride?

8 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:13:49pm

Uh...um..."nevermore?"

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:14:13pm

re: #3 logboy

The Second Coming
2nd verse.....

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
10 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:14:18pm

re: #7 gop_patriot

Is that from Princess Bride?

Inconceivable!

11 tradewind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:12pm

Whenever I hear anyone talk of falconers nowdays, all I can see is a Saudi in a keffiyah with a hooded hunting bird on his arm.

12 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:12pm

re: #10 logboy

Inconceivable!

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

13 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:29pm

Night Guys and Dolls. I'm barely ambulatory. See ya tomorrow.

14 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:49pm

re: #5 logboy

Here you go.

15 gulfloafer  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:54pm

Outstanding!

16 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:15:58pm

re: #13 Iron Fist

Cheers.

17 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:16:00pm

re: #13 Iron Fist

Night Guys and Dolls. I'm barely ambulatory. See ya tomorrow.

Iron feet?

18 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:16:11pm

Take care Iron Fist

19 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:16:47pm

re: #12 gop_patriot

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father now prepare to die.

20 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:16:54pm

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

21 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:16:57pm

I'm out too. Have to work tomorrow.

22 stevieray  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:17:12pm

One day I'm gonna memorize that poem.

[Ooo. There's that feeling again... in the pit of my stomach.
Cold.
Empty.
Dread.]

23 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:17:31pm

re: #20 logboy

GMTA. :)

/but you got the word I missed.

24 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:17:51pm

damn! you beat me!

25 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:18:19pm

Hey I heard Gears of War II came out today.

26 KingKenrod  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:19:31pm

Obama the Job Killer. Unless you want to work for the government.

McCain could have won the election with a theme like that...

27 LemonJoose  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:20:02pm

Can I be wantonly boorish in this new thread?

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:20:26pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth

Brilliant movie.

29 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:20:56pm

"With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."

"What's that?"

"Go through his clothes and look for loose change. "

30 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:22:23pm

I hate it when I post something brilliant right as a new thread is up and running.
///
Here they come, and I'm ducking.

31 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:22:50pm

re: #23 BlueCanuck

re: #24 logboy

LOL

/You fool! You fell for one of the classic blunders! The most famous is, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"! But only slightly less well known is this... "Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"

//had to look that one up to double check. lol

32 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:22:59pm

"Key? what key?"

"Okay Fezig, rip his arms off."

"Oh, you mean this key."

33 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:23:44pm

re: #25 Maximu§

Perhaps fittingly for the times, I seem to want this game a bit more...

34 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:23:49pm

anyone else immune to iocane powder?

35 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:24:22pm

re: #25 Maximu§

Hey I heard Gears of War II came out today.

My son stood in line for it last night, and is playing XBox Live with his friends right now. Apparently they like it.

36 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:25:04pm

"I just work for Vizzini to pay the bills. There's not a lot of money in revenge. "

37 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:25:51pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth

So, what music are you listening to tonight?

38 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:25:55pm

anybody want a peanut?

39 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:26:48pm

re: #37 gop_patriot

So, what music are you listening to tonight?

I had the AC/DC channel on XM Radio playing for a while.

40 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:26:49pm

Is this a kissing book?

41 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:27:14pm

"Surrender!"

"You mean you wish to surrender to me? Very well, I accept. "

42 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:27:51pm

What rough beast tap dances towards Jerusalem?

43 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:28:18pm

re: #39 logboy

I had the AC/DC channel on XM Radio playing for a while.

They have their own channel? Nice. I don't have satellite radio, but my best friend does. I'll have to set her radio to that channel the next time I'm at her house. She's not an AC/DC fan. lol

44 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:28:21pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

No question. There are those who speculate that the mom & pop video rental era of the '80s led to this box office flop becoming a cult classic. I am inclined to believe that.

45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:28:26pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Brilliant movie.

A Rob Reiner film? The only one he did that was brilliant was "This Is Spinal Tap". And maybe "Stand By Me".

46 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:28:35pm

re: #38 hermit

anybody want a peanut?

"Kindly do not offer my god a peanut! Please PAY FOR YOUR PURCHASES AND GET OUT! ...and come again!"
-Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

47 spidly  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:28:44pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

The Second Coming
2nd verse.....


on that topic
my wife watched the messiah's acceptance speech and the crowd frightened her. They put visions of the "left behind" series in her head.
Yeah, I don't know why she read the books but then I haven't so,

48 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:29:03pm

re: #38 hermit

Can you say anaphylactic shock?

49 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:29:32pm

"I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains."

" You're that smart?"

"Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"

"Yes."

"Morons. "

50 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:29:57pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

No question. There are those who speculate that the mom & pop video rental era of the '80s led to this box office flop becoming a cult classic. I am inclined to believe that.

Ever see the trailer on the special edition DVD? When I saw that I knew why it flopped at the box office. Poor marketing department didn't know how to approach the movie. Even my mom loves the movie.

51 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:30:04pm

re: #46 gmsc

"The dates are off." Salla

52 ClosetConservative  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:30:24pm

urff yoo knoww withhh thhe humannn kunditonnnn...

I'm out of energy. Good night, all!

53 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:30:53pm

re: #49 logboy

"I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains."

" You're that smart?"

"Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"

"Yes."

"Morons. "

Inconceivable! (It's a new OTC birth control pill!)

54 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:30:55pm

re: #48 calcajun

right now? um,....no.
/slurp

55 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:10pm

"Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist. "

56 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:15pm

re: #45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

A Rob Reiner film? The only one he did that was brilliant was "This Is Spinal Tap". And maybe "Stand By Me".

I should have added IMO...

57 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:19pm

re: #27 LemonJoose

Can I be wantonly boorish in this new thread?

You can be wanton, but not boorish.

58 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:29pm

re: #51 hermit

"The dates are off." Salla

No, the line is a more pithy, "Bad dates."

59 tradewind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:32pm

Brewer and Shipley never could have made this one up:
Best example of ' cognitive dissonance ' ever...

60 LemonJoose  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:43pm

re: #35 gop_patriot

I bought it before I went out tonight. However it's too late fore me to fire it up tonight. It will have to wait until tomorrow. It got great reviews, though.

61 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:31:52pm

re: #55 logboy

"Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist. "

check the white house in late January....

62 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:32:12pm

re: #55 logboy

"Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist. "

You didn't watch BHO's press conference?

63 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:32:18pm

re: #58 calcajun

thank you.... i knew it was better

64 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:32:35pm

re: #53 calcajun

Inconceivable! (It's a new OTC birth control pill!)

"You mock my pain!"

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. "

65 Scion9  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:33:09pm

Yeats was an interesting figure. He was deep into mysticism, seances, channeling, automatic writing and was involved with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. That poem heavily references his own mystical beliefs. More than just a bit batty.

66 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:33:58pm

re: #64 logboy

"You mock my pain!"

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. "

HUMPERDINK! HUMPERDINK!

67 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:34:26pm

re: #55 logboy

"Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist. "

Every time we're at the zoo, my kids have to see the R.O.U.S.-es, aka the capybara. They actually call it that, and it's fun when everyone around you knows exactly what you're talking about. LOL

68 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:35:23pm

re: #25 Maximu§

Hey I heard Gears of War II came out today.


Oh yes...my son got his at midnight....came home and the internet was off..LOL/LOL/LOL...he has been playing since he woke up this morn....it is now 1:30 a.m. and he just came through..again saying how great it is and that I should come and watch...

69 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:35:30pm
70 Amy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:35:39pm

Charles,

I'm a huge W.B. Yeats fan, and this is one of my favorite Yeats poems. It's very appropriate for this dark time.

71 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:35:42pm

"We'll never survive."

"Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has. "

72 hermit  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #64 logboy

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. "

like change

73 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:36:21pm

Whats sad is that I know all these quotes from memory.

74 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:37:02pm

re: #37 gop_patriot

Hey, what a strange question. Okay, not all that strange, but it catches me off guard that anyone would ask. Earlier, some Slayer. Later, something from a band called Lacuna Coil. Then some Twisted Sister, thanks to another Lizard's post. Now, some Monkey3.

What are you listening to tonight?

75 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:38:24pm

OK, last one.

"You seem a decent fellow. I hate to kill you."

"You seem a decent fellow. I hate to die. "

76 RTLM  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:38:33pm

Led Zeppelin

77 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:40:00pm

re: #69 gmsc

Star Trek: Time Warp

;)

Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor; not a quantum mechanic!

78 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:40:31pm

re: #77 calcajun

Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor; not a quantum mechanic!

"Bones, it's Pirate Roberts!"

"He Dread, Jim".

79 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:42:17pm

re: #78 gmsc

"Bones, it's Pirate Roberts!"

"He Dread, Jim".

That's rotten even by my pitiful standards

80 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:42:36pm

re: #71 logboy

"We'll never survive."

"Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has. "

Westley: [as he is unsuccessfully fighting Fezzik] Look, are you just fiddling around with me or what?
Fezzik: I just want you to feel you're doing well. I hate for people to die embarrassed.

81 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:43:39pm

Oh come on. Wakey wakey!

82 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:44:11pm

Does anyone know why loading an LGF thread page, like this one, would cause FireFox's pop-up blocker to react? I just got "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window." on this thread, and the previous thread I was on.

Charles? Did you implement some kind of mechanism to inform users of private messages to them, or something? Or is this something where one of the banner ads is sneaking pop-up ads in under the radar?

83 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:44:26pm

I think everyone is pooped out from the election. I know I am.

84 garycooper  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:44:26pm

Speaking of dreadful feelings and movies, I just got done watching this brilliant Swedish vampire flick, "Let The Right One In." Damn, it was good!

Vampire books and movies are all the rage once again, though they never totally go out of style. They're the Undead, after all. But this movie adds a little something to the genre I guarantee you haven't seen before. Maybe a few little somethings.

85 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:44:37pm

re: #4 Maximu§

WooHoo...Its Friday Night!

you mean it isn't *always* fryday night?

/white smoke

86 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:44:54pm

re: #82 NomadOfNorad

Does anyone know why loading an LGF thread page, like this one, would cause FireFox's pop-up blocker to react? I just got "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window." on this thread, and the previous thread I was on.

Charles? Did you implement some kind of mechanism to inform users of private messages to them, or something? Or is this something where one of the banner ads is sneaking pop-up ads in under the radar?

Could be all the copyrighted material we're posting. ;)

87 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:45:37pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I asked because you've posted some music in the past on overnight threads. :p I'm listening to Avenged Sevenfold, earlier it was Stevie Ray Vaughan.

Then there's this one song that's country of all things- but it reminds me summer down here in the South- so even though I'm a city girl, I just love it. :)

88 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:45:46pm

re: #81 calcajun

Oh come on. Wakey wakey!

"Wakey wakey eggs and bakey!"

89 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:45:57pm

re: #84 garycooper

Speaking of dreadful feelings and movies, I just got done watching this brilliant Swedish vampire flick, "Let The Right One In." Damn, it was good!

Vampire books and movies are all the rage once again, though they never totally go out of style. They're the Undead, after all. But this movie adds a little something to the genre I guarantee you haven't seen before. Maybe a few little somethings.

Wrote an unpublished one a few years back. Thinking of re-tooling it now

90 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:46:08pm

Trivia Question: In English, what is the only day of the week that is a perfect anagram of another English word?

91 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:46:43pm

re: #26 KingKenrod

Obama the Job Killer. Unless you want to work for the government.

McCain could have won the election with a theme like that...

too bad it's obvious he never wanted to win.

92 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:47:06pm

re: #90 gmsc

Trivia Question: In English, what is the only day of the week that is a perfect anagram of another English word?

How dare you make my Merlot marinated brain work at this hour!

93 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:47:21pm

Decades ago, I ran across the segment of Princess Bride in which the man in black climbs the cliff and fences to victory, in a sci-fi anthology. The host of the anthology insisted that the whole book was an unsung classic, and I enjoyed the segment, but thought no more of it and didn't hunt down the book. Silly me.

It's not just a cult classic. It really is a classic.

94 Scion9  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:47:36pm

re: #84 garycooper

Hmmm. I'll have to check that one out.
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

95 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:48:07pm

re: #88 logboy

"Wakey wakey eggs and bakey!"

Sounds great! You can't beat Bacon!

96 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:48:19pm

re: #50 BlueCanuck

I have that DVD, but I've never watched any of the "extras". The marketing team must have done a horrible job because I never heard about the film until I saw it on BetaMax. Than again I was a teen at the time of it's release, I was focused on other things.

97 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:48:25pm

Okay...for some reason I thought you were all quoting either Kill Bill, Grindhouse or Pulp Fiction...

98 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:48:51pm

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Decades ago, I ran across the segment of Princess Bride in which the man in black climbs the cliff and fences to victory, in a sci-fi anthology. The host of the anthology insisted that the whole book was an unsung classic, and I enjoyed the segment, but thought no more of it and didn't hunt down the book. Silly me.

It's not just a cult classic. It really is a classic.

Hat tip to Mark Knopfler for his soundtrack, too. He did a bang-up job on "Local Hero" (another quiet classic)

99 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:49:50pm

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

100 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:50:30pm

re: #99 NomadOfNorad

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

Nope, sorry. :/

101 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:50:30pm

re: #39 logboy

I had the AC/DC channel on XM Radio playing for a while.

only problem with that is that it's supposed to be the Punk channel....

don't get me wrong, i likes me some AC/DC, but fuck oh dear, i can only stand to hear the same songs so many times.....

bring back the punk!

102 wordwarp  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:50:46pm

Charles -

I've been reading this site daily since probably 12/01 -- and this is the first time you've unleashed the Yeats.

Do you really think it's going to be that bad?

Does having Rahmbo in the White House make it any less likely that the center will not hold?

103 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:51:04pm

re: #97 laZardo

Okay...for some reason I thought you were all quoting either Kill Bill, Grindhouse or Pulp Fiction...

I dare you to find a pawnshop scene in Princess Bride. And no one talks about "dead n****r storage" in Humperdink's castle.

104 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:51:05pm

re: #64 logboy

"You mock my pain!"

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. "

That actually is a Bhudda quote, paraphrased: "Life is suffering."re: #97 laZardo

Welcome to the "Princess Bride" Thread.

105 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:52:22pm

re: #27 LemonJoose

Can I be wantonly boorish in this new thread?

depends: what are you wearing and how much booze did you bring?

106 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:52:23pm

Oops, forgot to post one comment and got the other one mixed up.

/PIMF.

107 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:52:54pm

re: #104 BlueCanuck

Does this Bride still count?

108 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:53:01pm

re: #97 laZardo

Okay...for some reason I thought you were all quoting either Kill Bill, Grindhouse or Pulp Fiction...

"I want you to go in that bag, and find my wallet."

"Which one is it?"

"It's the one that says Bad Motherf-cker "

109 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:53:19pm

re: #99 NomadOfNorad

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

Not here, never.

110 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:54:10pm

re: #102 wordwarp

Charles -

I've been reading this site daily since probably 12/01 -- and this is the first time you've unleashed the Yeats.

Do you really think it's going to be that bad?

Does having Rahmbo in the White House make it any less likely that the center will not hold?

May a venture an observation. Rham Emanuel served in the IDF during Gulf War I. That tells me he is in some sense pro-Israel. He is also a political partisan of the first order. If BHO makes any moves to sell-out Israel, or give amazin concessions to Iran, it will be Rham that finds a way to push BHO under the bus and not the other way around.

111 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:54:20pm

re: #48 calcajun

Can you say anaphylactic shock?

been there, done that..... not real fun.

112 middlecon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:54:21pm

re: #102 wordwarp

Charles -

I've been reading this site daily since probably 12/01 -- and this is the first time you've unleashed the Yeats.

Do you really think it's going to be that bad?

Does having Rahmbo in the White House make it any less likely that the center will not hold?

I think this is a reference to other blogs going with the birth certificate story ad nauseum. Charles made a great 'Country first' statement a few threads ago, he's the farthest thing from a doom and gloomer and I respect him completely for that.

113 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:54:50pm

So am I the only girl here?

114 logboy  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:55:15pm

re: #99 NomadOfNorad

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

Check your puter for spyware.

115 Outrider  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:55:24pm

re: #105 redc1c4

Dude. I put that toon you posted up on my site via the code. It was excellent!

116 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:55:40pm

re: #108 logboy

"...what!?"

/really wants to watch that...but can't find it

117 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:56:07pm

re: #111 redc1c4

Me too--at age 12. 10 cc of adrenaline and puking up breakfast and lunch sideways on an x-ray table. Not fun.

118 tradewind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:56:10pm
Three hours of canvassing for Obama got you a thirty dollar prepaid Visa card


Let's just hope this isn't representative of BHO's core constituency:
Note that the site had to disable comments. Wonder why..../sarc/
[Link: www.wthr.com...]

119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:56:28pm

re: #101 redc1c4

only problem with that is that it's supposed to be the Punk channel....

don't get me wrong, i likes me some AC/DC, but fuck oh dear, i can only stand to hear the same songs so many times.....

bring back the punk!

The whole idea of "Punk Music" was that it was different. Anti-establishment. It was. And 99.9% of it it sucked. Which is why the genre lasted about 3 years.

120 gmsc  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:57:07pm

re: #90 gmsc

Trivia Question: In English, what is the only day of the week that is a perfect anagram of another English word?

re: #92 calcajun

How dare you make my Merlot marinated brain work at this hour!

To relieve the Merlot-marinated brains out there, the day of the week is MONDAY, which is a perfect anagram of DYNAMO.

121 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:57:38pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The whole idea of "Punk Music" was that it was different. Anti-establishment. It was. And 99.9% of it it sucked. Which is why the genre lasted about 3 years.

PIMF- not it it...

122 Outrider  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:57:55pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The whole idea of "Punk Music" was that it was different. Anti-establishment. It was. And 99.9% of it it sucked. Which is why the genre lasted about 3 years.

but if it didn't suck, then it would be establishment worthy, in which case it couldn't be called punk. ;-)>

123 stevieray  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:58:09pm

re: #99 NomadOfNorad

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

Someone was on an earlier thread. I'm running firefox now, and I got nuttin'.

Are you using an add-on ad blocker?

124 Macker  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:58:18pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Dang it, I thought you meant this Second Coming. Frak! My bad.

125 middlecon  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:58:33pm

re: #113 gop_patriot

So am I the only girl here?

*crickets*

sounds like it lol

126 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:58:48pm

Well, I broke down, went into the pop-up-blocker and set littlegreenfootballs.com to Allow, loaded this page again, and got...
nothing, no pop-up. WTF?!?

I wonder what triggered off the pop-up-blocker warning? :-|

127 calcajun  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:59:15pm

Nite all. This rough beast must slouch off to its slumber chambers.

128 laZardo  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:59:19pm

re: #101 redc1c4

If my bros weren't Obamatons you'd definitely enjoy hanging out with them...

129 tradewind  Fri, Nov 7, 2008 11:59:56pm

re: #113 gop_patriot

Nope.
But the site does seem a little testosterone-heavy tonight, comparatively speaking......

130 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:00:21am

re: #87 gop_patriot

She's kinda cute (well, lotta cute). Not particularly into C&W, but there is one tune that has been a favorite of mine since I was a kid. A classic from '81.

131 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:01:17am

weird. The reply and quote buttons disappeared. Now they're back.

132 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:01:18am

re: #123 stevieray

Someone was on an earlier thread. I'm running firefox now, and I got nuttin'.

Are you using an add-on ad blocker?

That might have been me there, too. Posted about it a coupla threads back or so.

No, I'm not using an add-on ad blocker, I'm using the one that comes built into FireFox. At least I think it's built in, since I don't remember installing one on it. :D

133 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:01:24am

re: #124 Macker

Dang it, I thought you meant this Second Coming. Frak! My bad.

Some of the Battlestar Galactica music is just classic and haunting.

134 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:01:51am

re: #125 middlecon

Uh oh. ;)

re: #129 tradewind

Oh good, and yes it does. LOL

135 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:01:57am

re: #122 Outrider

but if it didn't suck, then it would be establishment worthy, in which case it couldn't be called punk. ;-)>

Right! I think... ; )

136 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:02:10am

re: #129 tradewind

Nope.
But the site does seem a little testosterone-heavy tonight, comparatively speaking......

Cannot resist this one. Testosterone heavy? We're all quoting "The Princess Bride". Shit. That's almost as bad as doing show tunes and Judy Garland standards.

137 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:02:46am

re: #113 gop_patriot

So am I the only girl here?

Are you looking for a date? : )))

138 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:04:11am

re: #137 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you looking for a date? : )))

Not to mention the "Star Trek" riffs. Who out there is living in Mom and Dad's basement?

139 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:04:30am

re: #130 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, that song came up when we talked about possible election night scenarios....
'we can always leave and go to the farm for the duration'......

140 stevieray  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:05:32am

re: #132 NomadOfNorad

Do you have a little red stopsign in the upper right corner of your browser?

141 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:05:56am

re: #110 calcajun

May a venture an observation. Rham Emanuel served in the IDF during Gulf War I. That tells me he is in some sense pro-Israel. He is also a political partisan of the first order. If BHO makes any moves to sell-out Israel, or give amazin concessions to Iran, it will be Rham that finds a way to push BHO under the bus and not the other way around.

he was allegedly in the IDF for the duration of Gulf War II, which is not the same thing as serving in the IDF....... this story smells bad, if only for the fact that from start to finish, you'd barely have time to complete training, let alone actually serve in the time period involved.

/not cyunical, just experienced. %-)

142 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:06:16am

re: #136 calcajun

Anecdotally, I've always noticed that guys seemed to love TPB more than girls.

143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:06:22am

re: #138 calcajun

Not to mention the "Star Trek" riffs. Who out there is living in Mom and Dad's basement?

Shit, my Mom is living in my basement.

144 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:06:41am

re: #126 NomadOfNorad

Well, I broke down, went into the pop-up-blocker and set littlegreenfootballs.com to Allow, loaded this page again, and got...
nothing, no pop-up. WTF?!?

I wonder what triggered off the pop-up-blocker warning? :-|

at your age, medication is the most likely suspect. %-)

/white smoke

145 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:07:16am

re: #141 redc1c4

he was allegedly in the IDF for the duration of Gulf War II, which is not the same thing as serving in the IDF....... this story smells bad, if only for the fact that from start to finish, you'd barely have time to complete training, let alone actually serve in the time period involved.

/not cyunical, just experienced. %-)

Thought he served as a volunteer civilian, which in itself is a good thing.

146 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:07:18am

re: #142 tradewind

Anecdotally, I've always noticed that guys seemed to love TPB more than girls.

We're the ones who like dialogue.

147 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:07:39am

i wondered when someone was going to quote "the center cannot hold" from Billy Yeats, thanks for that -- never remembered how apposite the last two lines are, however. Now for another Irishman -- everybody on three now, one, two... all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

148 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:08:25am

re: #115 Outrider

Dude. I put that toon you posted up on my site via the code. It was excellent!

danke..... i'm w*rking on some ideas, and i still have to rew*rk my "we fucked" screed from tuesday night.

WOLVERINES!

149 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:08:26am

re: #140 stevieray

Do you have a little red stopsign in the upper right corner of your browser?

Nope.

150 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:08:36am

re: #143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Shit, my Mom is living in my basement.

Sir, you have my pity. Have you considered Poe's "Cask of Amontillado"? It might be instructive on dealing with Mom. ///

151 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:08:38am

Personally I don't think serving in the IDF makes it a lock that you would be a hawk for Isreal. I have no idea what Emanuel is in regards to Isreali policy. But there are plenty of peaceniks in Isreal who still serve in the IDF.

152 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:09:08am

re: #136 calcajun

Cannot resist this one. Testosterone heavy? We're all quoting "The Princess Bride". Shit. That's almost as bad as doing show tunes and Judy Garland standards.

Ain't nothing wrong with guys liking The Princess Bride...it's got something for everyone and a damn good cast to boot. As a matter of fact, the fact that's it's a clean, funny movie that we can let kids watch over and over again while there are lots of injokes and quotable bits for the adults is a testament to the movie's staying power. It really is a classic...and a helluva lot better than most of that rotgut they market to kids nowadays.

/young old man mode off ;-P

153 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:09:23am

re: #138 calcajun

Not to mention the "Star Trek" riffs. Who out there is living in Mom and Dad's basement?

I'm in northeastern Florida. This house doesn't HAVE a basement.

154 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:09:36am

re: #150 calcajun

Sir, you have my pity. Have you considered Poe's "Cask of Amontillado"? It might be instructive on dealing with Mom. ///

I was kidding.

155 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:09:49am

re: #145 Outrider

Thought he served as a volunteer civilian, which in itself is a good thing.

not saying it isn't, but that's not the same thing as being in the IDF, at least in my mind. IDF=Soldier, Sailor, Airman, not sillvillian tag along.

156 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:10:08am

re: #130 Slumbering Behemoth

She's kinda cute (well, lotta cute). Not particularly into C&W, but there is one tune that has been a favorite of mine since I was a kid. A classic from '81.

I love the way she sings "Cause there ain't nothin like the sound of a cooler slushin, on the bed of yo truck". LOL

And Bocephus! I love Hank Jr.
I guess I listen to more country than I thought. I'm picky though, don't like the pop stuff much at all; if I'm going country it's either bluegrass or seriously country. I remember Dixieland Delight by Alabama, that's a good one, and I like Alison Krauss and Charlie Daniels.

157 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:10:24am

re: #152 talon_262

Ain't nothing wrong with guys liking The Princess Bride...it's got something for everyone and a damn good cast to boot. As a matter of fact, the fact that's it's a clean, funny movie that we can let kids watch over and over again while there are lots of injokes and quotable bits for the adults is a testament to the movie's staying power. It really is a classic...and a helluva lot better than most of that rotgut they market to kids nowadays.

/young old man mode off ;-P

I know. It's just the title. "Inigo's Revenge" sounds so much more butch.

158 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:10:42am

re: #136 calcajun

Cannot resist this one. Testosterone heavy? We're all quoting "The Princess Bride". Shit. That's almost as bad as doing show tunes and Judy Garland standards.

ROFLMAO

159 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:10:51am

re: #150 calcajun

Sir, you have my pity. Have you considered Poe's "Cask of Amontillado"? It might be instructive on dealing with Mom. ///

You mean the movie "Psycho" wouldn't work?
/

160 stevieray  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:11:15am

re: #149 NomadOfNorad

Well, then you don't have AdBlock Plus. That's the only one I know anything about, so I'm completely out of advice. Sorry!

161 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:11:22am

re: #153 NomadOfNorad

I'm in northeastern Florida. This house doesn't HAVE a basement.

OK, garage then.///

162 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:11:33am

re: #101 redc1c4

I say this as a fan of re: #90 gmsc

fraidy (cat)?

163 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:12:21am

re: #159 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You mean the movie "Psycho" wouldn't work?
/

Oh, go take a shower.////

164 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:12:38am

re: #145 Outrider

Thought he served as a volunteer civilian, which in itself is a good thing.

Although I don't care for Rahm's political doings since his Clinton days, I do give him respect for volunteering for duty with the IDF (even as a civilian) during GWI.

165 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:12:44am

re: #150 calcajun

Sir, you have my pity. Have you considered Poe's "Cask of Amontillado"? It might be instructive on dealing with Mom. ///

Uhhhmmm.... do pay attention to Poe's short story involving the black cat, too...
///

166 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:00am

re: #158 gop_patriot

Thanks. Nice to see someone got the humor./////

167 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:02am

re: #99 NomadOfNorad

So, anyone else has been having pop-up blocker warnings? Hello?

With IE7/WinXP I run a couple of cookie-checkers that sometimes block cookies from one or another of the Pajamas Medias ads. Couldn't say just which one, but it's nothing serious. Just some advertiser that uses cookies that are maybe a bit too enthusiastic about tracking your web-surfing, perhaps. I never pay much attention to the pop-up blocker icon. That's lit half the time I'm browsing anyway ;-). Long as they're blocked I'm happy.

Just now experimenting with the Safari browser that Charles suggested the other day. It does seem to speed up LGF nicely ;-). Now if it would just speed up my reading speed, chuckle.

168 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:03am

re: #141 redc1c4

Rahm Emmanuel (how ironic that his last name means God With Us) has always seemed one of the most rabidly partisan, mean-spirited, Dem pols around. He and Ira Magaziner were major sources of palace intrigue/mischief makers for Billary. Change? Not so much......

169 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:11am

Ok in doing a little research Emanuel's appointment by Obama pissed off some Palestenians so thats a good thing:

Palestinians were angry over Obama’s appointment of Emanuel as Chief of Staff, especially after his father Benjamin Emanuel was interviewed by the Hebrew daily Maariv in an article entitled “Our Man in the White House.” He stated: "Obviously, he will influence the President to be pro-Israel. Why shouldn't he do it? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floor of the White House." Subhi Abu Ishira on the Palestinian NGO network responded "With the appointment of this Zionist, Barack Obama is proving that he is more Zionist than the Zionists." The Window into Palestine blog referred to Emanuel as "the son of a terrorist, a real living terrorist."[41][42][43] He referred to Benjamin Emanuel’s participation in the Irgun, which the Anglo–American Committee of Inquiry and the New York Times labeled a terrorist group for its bombings of Arab and British civilian and government targets.[44][45][46] According to the New York Times Benjamin Emanuel "passed secret codes" for Irgun leader Menachem Begin.[47]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

170 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:22am

re: #153 NomadOfNorad

I'm in northeastern Florida. This house doesn't HAVE a basement.

Same here. If I go into the basement I'd be pulling a Jimmy Hoffa impersonation.

171 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #164 talon_262

For some curious reason the mention of him "getting so mad he jabbed a knife into a dinner table" and "sending his opponent a dead fish" made me grin evilly.

172 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:39am

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wasn't punk the same song for three years?

Hey, new trivia question: Who was the first rock artist to be labeled "punk?"

173 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:40am

re: #165 NomadOfNorad

Uhhhmmm.... do pay attention to Poe's short story involving the black cat, too...
///

Yeah. That one floored me. :)

174 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:40am

re: #162 LynnfromNZ

I say this as a fan of re: #90 gmsc

fraidy (cat)?

Wait - how did my trivia question get into a punk thread?!?

175 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:13:52am

re: #142 tradewind

Anecdotally, I've always noticed that guys seemed to love TPB more than girls.

Wouldn't know about that, but I have had a couple of girl friends that would go on a TPB riff with me at the drop of a hat.

/then again I run in a different crowd.

176 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:14:15am

re: #161 calcajun

OK, garage then.///

No garage here, either. We used to have a carport, but enclosed it to expand the size of the living room, which is now quite big.

177 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:14:32am

re: #137 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Are you looking for a date? : )))

LOL!

178 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:14:56am

re: #176 NomadOfNorad

No garage here, either. We used to have a carport, but enclosed it to expand the size of the living room, which is now quite big.

At least it ain't a double-wide.

179 LemonJoose  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:14:57am

In a sincere effort to avoid being boorish, I must warn you all in advance that the link below leads to a Youtube music video in which talented female marching band members wantonly parade their skills and assets for all the world to witness. Do not click if you object to wanton-ness! Hopefully my advance warning will preclude me from being accused of boorishness! :)

Destination Unknown - Alex Gaudino:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLjTlSNbGg

180 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:14:58am

re: #169 middlecon

Ok in doing a little research Emanuel's appointment by Obama pissed off some Palestenians so thats a good thing:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

what doesn't piss off a Pali?

181 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:03am

re: #172 LynnfromNZ

Wasn't punk the same song for three years?

Hey, new trivia question: Who was the first rock artist to be labeled "punk?"

Lou Reed

182 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:07am

re: #173 calcajun

Yeah. That one floored me. :)

Speaking of which, enjoy The Tell Tale Heart (1953, animated - with a style Poe would enjoy!).

183 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:14am

re: #163 calcajun

Oh, go take a shower.////

Only if Jamie Lee Curtis is in there. Her mom Janet Leigh is wee bit too old.

184 stevieray  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:26am

re: #172 LynnfromNZ

Iggy?

185 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:26am

OK..Bed time now.

C Ya

186 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:15:30am

re: #166 calcajun

Thanks. Nice to see someone got the humor./////

Sorry...when I originally read you post, my humor button was broke./

;-P

187 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:16:22am

re: #183 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Only if Jamie Lee Curtis is in there. Her mom Janet Leigh is wee bit too old.

and dead. Unless you like that sort of thing. BTW, Jamie Lee is in her mid-fifties now.

188 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:16:37am

re: #172 LynnfromNZ

Wasn't punk the same song for three years?

Hey, new trivia question: Who was the first rock artist to be labeled "punk?"

Lets see first to be labed 'punk' hmmm....MC5?

189 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:17:33am

re: #122 Outrider

I will say The Clash's "Complete Control" is one of the most deeply thrilling three minutes and change I've ever heard committed to tape. If that and The Sex Pistols' "Bodies" was all punk had to offer, well, it was worth it.

190 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:17:34am

"The Trip" with Peter Fonda, Bruce Dern, Dennis Hopper and some psychedelic babes is on Turner Underground..........fits well with the thread poem..........wow man, it's like I can hear your aura....don't bum my trip........

/what's a barack?

191 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:18:38am

re: #173 calcajun

Yeah. That one floored me. :)

ROFL! Yeah, talk about a twist ending! Almost an M Night Shyamalan sorta thing. Muahahahahahaha!

192 LemonJoose  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:18:42am

re: #105 redc1c4

A lampshade, and enough for everybody.

193 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:19:02am

re: #183 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Only if Jamie Lee Curtis is in there. Her mom Janet Leigh is wee bit too old.

You seen JLC in the Activia commercials lately? She looks pretty good for her age, but she's nowhere near the prime she was in Trading Places...when she was undressing in front of Dan Ackroyd, she was looking hot!

Then: DAMN!...just DAMN!
Now: Not so much...time catches up with everyone, I suppose.

194 rsbelax  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:19:07am

WOW... what a crazy roller coaster of a week, and it seems like all of this has only begun, haha. It's amazing how quickly things happen anymore and how big of an impact even the smallest events have on us and our economical and political surroundings. Im in my late 20's and I've gotta say this has been a humbling 2 months or so. Wonder if it's just me? I doubt it...

195 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:19:57am

re: #190 IslandLibertarian

"The Trip" with Peter Fonda, Bruce Dern, Dennis Hopper and some psychedelic babes is on Turner Underground..........fits well with the thread poem..........wow man, it's like I can hear your aura....don't bum my trip........

/what's a barack?

the sound made when you chug a beer too quick

196 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:19:58am

re: #168 tradewind

Rahm Emmanuel (how ironic that his last name means God With Us) has always seemed one of the most rabidly partisan, mean-spirited, Dem pols around. He and Ira Magaziner were major sources of palace intrigue/mischief makers for Billary. Change? Not so much......

I'm Catholic, and I detest liberal Jews. But then again I detest all liberals, regardless of race and/or religion.
But Mark Levin is my hero. I absolutely love the guy. And no, I'm not gay.
What am I?

197 stevieray  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:20:00am

re: #190 IslandLibertarian

Got that on in the other room... I wander over and check it out from time to time. Roger Corman directed, Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda star, written by Nicholson.

198 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:20:19am

re: #179 LemonJoose

In a sincere effort to avoid being boorish, I must warn you all in advance that the link below leads to a Youtube music video in which talented female marching band members wantonly parade their skills and assets for all the world to witness. Do not click if you object to wanton-ness! Hopefully my advance warning will preclude me from being accused of boorishness! :)

Destination Unknown - Alex Gaudino:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLjTlSNb Gg

3+ million views for this thing? People on youtube are desperate for some skin lol...but I approve lol

199 Scion9  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:20:26am

I've heard conflicting stories about Rahm Emmanuel's being in the IDF. According to Rolling Stone, he wasn't. According to wikipedia he was. Sadly, Rolling Stone isn't really a more reliable of a source than wikipedia, so who knows.

200 AmeriDan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:20:42am

re: #180 spidly

what doesn't piss off a Pali?

*raises hand*

Uh, dead Jews?

201 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:21:10am

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The whole idea of "Punk Music" was that it was different. Anti-establishment. It was. And 99.9% of it it sucked. Which is why the genre lasted about 3 years.

that's okay....... i don't care about you.

punk lives still!
(it just smells funny.....%-)

202 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:21:17am

re: #187 calcajun

and dead. Unless you like that sort of thing. BTW, Jamie Lee is in her mid-fifties now.

She's still hot, IMO. : )

203 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:22:28am

re: #179 LemonJoose

Seriously....
Three words:
Iron
Fist
Rule......

204 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:22:30am

re: #181 Outrider

that was retroactive. the first rock artist to have his style called punk in real time was Bruce Springsteen.

205 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:24:02am

re: #117 calcajun

Me too--at age 12. 10 cc of adrenaline and puking up breakfast and lunch sideways on an x-ray table. Not fun.

x3 for me: 1 full on shock, and 2 just really bad reactions that could have gone there.

1cc epi SQ, 50mg benadryl IM, 125mg methylprednisolone SIVP, and a medrol does pack, plus benadryl caps.....

206 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:24:42am

re: #156 gop_patriot

I've been a die-hard metal-head since I was ten, so take my opinion with the appropriate amount of salt: pop-country is crap. Nothing more than Brittany Spears with a twang. Meh.

I was shocked to find I like bluegrass, though I must admit I know nothing about it.

Some bluegrass/metal for ya.

207 AmeriDan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:25:02am

re: #204 LynnfromNZ

that was retroactive. the first rock artist to have his style called punk in real time was Bruce Springsteen.

For spewing his political beliefs at me for years and years... I would agree that he is a punk.

208 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:25:15am

re: #196 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I love Levin too. Just wish he'd limit the really high-decibel yelling to a few minutes per show.
It cracks me up when he says ' Get Off The Phone Ya Big Dope'....

209 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:25:19am

re: #196 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm Catholic, and I detest liberal Jews. But then again I detest all liberals, regardless of race and/or religion.
But Mark Levin is my hero. I absolutely love the guy. And no, I'm not gay.
What am I?

hey there. do not detest the typical liberal Jew. they are insufferable, dead wrong and vote in a way that puts this country in peril, BUT they actually spend time and money practicing what they preach. at least at my Shul.

210 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:25:22am

Dang. Now I'm in the mood for some Lou Reed.

211 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:25:34am

When the Ramones hit, and for those in New York it was the Dolls, everbody looked back to Reed, the Velvet Underground, Iggy, the Stooges, MC5 and the like for their antecedents -- I've seen them trace it out to Eddie Cochran -- and that's when the term "punk" became solidified to mean what we take it to mean today, but it was introduced for Springsteen's Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J.

212 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:26:06am

Taxing the intellectual estates of Yeats (the riposte of repost):

Sailing to Obamadom

That is no country for wise men. The hopeful
Awash in another's promises, hand-out elites
- Those tax'ed generations - at their hymn,
The gavel-falls, judicial-crowded seats,
County, State, or Supreme, amend articles dim
Constitution inked, re-inked, and dries.
Fraught with radical agenda all erect
Battlement against unageing intellect.

A self-made man is but a withered ass,
A tapped mind upon a stick, unless
Law clamps the hands and grasps, stronger grasps
For every pocket in its fiscal dress,
Nor is there educated school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the sleaze and come
To the holy city of Obamadom.

Sages prostrate in The One's holy fire
As in golden rubric of a urinal stall,
Come from the holy fire, submit desire,
And be the credit-masters of my soul.
Consume my wealth away; to not retire
And mounted by a braying animal
It knows not what it taxes; and gather me
Into the artifice of prosperity.

Once out of nature I shall never take
My corporate form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Socialist goldsmiths make
Of stolen gold and gold pick-pocketing
To commit an sordid National rape;
Or set upon a golden cow to slay
To lords and ladies of Obamadom
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.

213 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:26:33am

re: #210 Outrider

Amen, my friend. Great video.

214 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:26:51am

re: #201 redc1c4

that's okay....... i don't care about you.

punk lives still!
(it just smells funny.....%-)

I'll save it- I'm listening to Elton John now.

215 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:27:06am

re: #200 AmeriDan

re: #180 spidly

what doesn't piss off a Pali?

*raises hand*

Uh, dead Jews?

"They didn't ALL die! damn them!"

nope, that pisses 'em off too.

216 BignJames  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #211 LynnfromNZ

Eddie Cochran?......that's pure rockabilly.

217 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:27:34am

re: #128 laZardo

If my bros weren't Obamatons you'd definitely enjoy hanging out with them...

suboptimal did an Obama rewrite to California Uber Alles the other night.... i gave it to my friend, and his band may cover it......

i'll link here if they do.

218 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:28:20am

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

Loves me some Hayseed Dixie...got hooked on them after hearing them do "Poop in a Jar" on Bob & Tom.

219 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:29:43am
220 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:30:54am

re: #219 Outrider

Need a heart of gold?

Or a heart of glass?

221 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:31:13am

re: #212 blackpajamas

... wow... can you do "Howl?"

222 Spiritualized  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:31:17am

Reuters is tackling the tough issues already:

Interest high in what kind of dog Obamas will get

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Many Americans are eager to hear President-elect Barack Obama's views on the financial crisis and foreign policy, but they appear just as anxious to know what kind of dog he will get his daughters.

As a "world citizen" I'd just like to say that I'm on the edge of my seat too.

223 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:32:12am

re: #216 BignJames

Punk is half speeded-up amplified rockabilly -- cf. The Clash's "Brand New Cadillac."

224 AmeriDan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:32:21am

re: #215 spidly

"They didn't ALL die! damn them!"

nope, that pisses 'em off too.

Very true, the Jews will to live is very infuriating to Palis, Muslims, Arabs, etc. But they do have a "the more the merrier" type approach to their final solution of ridding the earth of Jews.

225 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:32:44am

re: #222 Spiritualized

Reuters is tackling the tough issues already:

Interest high in what kind of dog Obamas will get

As a "world citizen" I'd just like to say that I'm on the edge of my seat too.

I understand it's important that it be hypoallergenic.

226 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:33:30am

re: #164 talon_262

Although I don't care for Rahm's political doings since his Clinton days, I do give him respect for volunteering for duty with the IDF (even as a civilian) during GWI.

has that been verified with Zahal?

227 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:33:54am

re: #217 redc1c4

One of my bros, who dwells in the room across from mine is also on LJ, as it happens. You could pass it to him...especially since he has an upside-down American flag sticker with "Hello, USA!" written on it in Sharpie posted on his door...

228 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:34:07am

re: #214 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

229 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:34:55am

Here is an artist not many heard of, but I enjoy

230 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:35:02am

Well, I'm heading to bed now...

231 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:35:54am

re: #172 LynnfromNZ

Wasn't punk the same song for three years?

Hey, new trivia question: Who was the first rock artist to be labeled "punk?"

Ramones..... Spruce Bringsteen is a piker.

/even if i *did* see him at Winterland %-)

232 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:35:55am

re: #221 LynnfromNZ

... wow... can you do "Howl?"

Ginsberg's Howl? That's a bit longer of a piece (eek!).

233 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:36:52am

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

Pretty good! I love the banjo.

/I think I saw those guys at our local Walmart last Christmas. No kidding, there are people who come into our little city once a year, it's a huge event for them. They look just like that. :X

234 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:39:21am

Internet Killed The Video Star (by the Broad Band)

235 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:40:46am

re: #199 Scion9

I've heard conflicting stories about Rahm Emmanuel's being in the IDF. According to Rolling Stone, he wasn't. According to wikipedia he was. Sadly, Rolling Stone isn't really a more reliable of a source than wikipedia, so who knows.

Debbie Schlussel beats wikipedia and Rolling Stone hands-down for accuracy. She has two articles already on Rahm Emmanuel: Emmanuel's Michael Moore Connection and More Emmanuel Connections

Emmanuel was a Clinton White House staffer; that's enough already to have me looking for my sadly-depleted collection of souvenired airline barf bags.

236 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:41:06am

re: #209 spidly

hey there. do not detest the typical liberal Jew. they are insufferable, dead wrong and vote in a way that puts this country in peril, BUT they actually spend time and money practicing what they preach. at least at my Shul.

Okay, what's a shul?

237 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:41:23am

re: #222 Spiritualized

Reuters is tackling the tough issues already:

Interest high in what kind of dog Obamas will get

As a "world citizen" I'd just like to say that I'm on the edge of my seat too.

whatever dog they get, i predict it won't hunt.

(yes, i went there.... %-)

/white smoke

238 BignJames  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:41:24am

re: #229 Outrider

Here is an artist not many heard of, but I enjoy

You're kidding, right?

239 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:42:12am

re: #234 gmsc

I remember that from back when they launched that Shockwave promo site.

240 AmeriDan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:42:26am

Diss the new country music all you want, I'l just be sitting here...


Watching Airplanes

241 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:42:37am

Yowl
For
S.P.

I saw the best hope of my generation destroyed by media, raving hysterical fools,
Throwing herself at negro heroes in prime-time looking for an honest hearing,
Beehive-hairdoed Alaskan burning with the ancient heavenly connection to the unstarry dynamo of the machinery of America,
Who gibson and couric and cold-eyed and idiotarian sat up splicing in the unnatural darkness of ABC News scheming across the relay towers contemplating obamessiah,
Who bared her convictions to People under the Flyover Moon and saw MSMedina demons scuttling like a pair of ragged claws, unilluminated manuscripts trailing behind…

242 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:43:12am

re: #239 laZardo

I remember that from back when they launched that Shockwave promo site.

That's where I remember it from, too. It brought back memories, so I figured I'd post it.

243 UncleSam  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:43:20am

From the Deep

The envious masses scrape at humanity's door,
Moaning their perpetual cry,
"Give me more, give me more."

The Beast has risen from the deep
No need its thirst for it to keep
From the eyes of men
For now they sleep.

The spinning world stops in it's track,
As continents slide
And can't go back,
While the Thing Which Devours
Reaches for a snack.

And now I'd like to say,
Dear friends,
Love those you hold dear,
Every day, as much as you can.

And you'll thank God,
Thank God
Thank God
Dear friends,
That this is where
This stupid poem ends.

244 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:43:45am

Here, can you believe this: Pelosi says voters misunderstood Prop. 8

Nancy Pelosi thinks that Pro 8 (Ban Gay Marriage) passed in California because voters were too dumb to understand what their vote meant:

Unfortunately, I think people thought they were making a statement about what their view of same-sex marriage was," the San Francisco Democrat said. "I don't know if it was clear that this meant that we are amending the Constitution to diminish freedom in our state."

245 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:45:08am

re: #229 Outrider

sinnerjee -- isn't that ol' Allen Ginsberg herself giving the intro?

Love taj -- of the millions of Stagger Lees out there his is the best.

246 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:45:16am

re: #209 spidly

My whole point was that I love the Jewish religion and I hate to see those who also claim to love it vote for someone who has an animosity towards it, especially liberal Jews.

247 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:46:05am

re: #234 gmsc

Loved it, and it's so true. I haven't turned my t.v. on in months. :)

248 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:48:09am

re: #246 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

My whole point was that I love the Jewish religion and I hate to see those who also claim to love it vote for someone who has an animosity towards it, specifically liberal Jews.
249 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:48:12am

re: #225 gmsc

Just another thing that BHO has wrong. There just is no such thing as a ' hypoallergenic' dog.... only some breeds that are less likely to elicit reactions because they have less tendency to release dander.
Somehow I can't see a Mexican Hairless in the WH. And I hope the animal protection leagues lobby to make sure that the dog is rescued... I mean redistributed.....

250 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:48:47am

Gonna snack. BBL.

251 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:49:48am

re: #249 tradewind

Just another thing that BHO has wrong. There just is no such thing as a ' hypoallergenic' dog.... only some breeds that are less likely to elicit reactions because they have less tendency to release dander.
Somehow I can't see a Mexican Hairless in the WH. And I hope the animal protection leagues lobby to make sure that the dog is rescued... I mean redistributed.....

Actually, you can make a dog hypoallergenic. It's just that the ASPCA gets so mad when you seal them in airtight plastic.

252 AmeriDan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:50:02am

re: #244 blackpajamas

Unfortunately, I think people thought they were making a statement about what their view of same-sex marriage was," the San Francisco Democrat said.

Unfortunately for her gay friends, she is exactly right. They were making a statement of their view on same sex marriage.

253 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:50:08am

A possible answer to voter fraud: the Mexican voter ID. (warning, .pdf file)

Mexico’s voter ID card is now widely regarded as one of the most secure, reliable voter identification systems in the world. So trusted is the integrity of Mexico’s voter ID credential that amid all the controversy surrounding the close presidential election on July 2, 2006, no one questioned the security, reliability, or authenticity of Mexico’s voter identification itself.

Indeed, Mexico’s voter ID has become the country’s de facto identification document and is readily accepted as positive proof-of-identity by merchants, banks, government officials, and citizens nationwide.

Hey, if the Mexicans do it, how can the Democrats oppose it?

/

254 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:51:23am

re: #229 Outrider

Ummm, not really obscure. They played the song Jenna Bush and W danced to first at her wedding, (Lovin in my Baby's Eyes)


and their version of Mockingbird is one of my all time faves....

255 UncleSam  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:51:38am

In post #243, meant "in its track" not "in it's track."
Dumb grammatical error.

256 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:51:47am

Nancy Pelosi also wants us all to bail out the auto industry:

Pelosi talked about her closed-door meeting Thursday with executives and union officials from the struggling U.S. auto industry, who are seeking at least $25 billion in low-cost government loans on top of $25 billion Congress has already approved. Pelosi said she is open to the idea of more aid - with the caveat that Detroit would have to agree to produce more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Basically, you the taxpayer get to foot the bill for the next set of hybrid vehicles -- whether or not you choose to buy them; and if you do buy them, any savings you realize are effectively just re-payments from the government back to you, exactly from your subsidy/bail-out of the industry.

257 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:52:36am
258 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:53:24am

re: #251 gmsc

LMAO.....
He mentioned several breeds, somehow the the shih-tsu sounds right......

259 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:53:43am

re: #244 blackpajamas

Here, can you believe this: Pelosi says voters misunderstood Prop. 8

Nancy Pelosi thinks that Pro 8 (Ban Gay Marriage) passed in California because voters were too dumb to understand what their vote meant:

Unfortunately, I think people thought they were making a statement about what their view of same-sex marriage was," the San Francisco Democrat said. "I don't know if it was clear that this meant that we are amending the Constitution to diminish freedom in our state."

I think the voters understood it very well.

They also understand the Prop. 8 opponents who are threatening to burn down churches.

I hope Pelosi's gay constituents are just venting, but it's hard to tell, sometimes -- especially when they take such delight in scaring the horses.

260 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:57:22am

re: #253 Steffan

A possible answer to voter fraud: the Mexican voter ID. (warning, .pdf file)


Hey, if the Mexicans do it, how can the Democrats oppose it?

/

I live in Indiana and the Dems here but up a HUGE fight for voter ID laws, of cousre lo and behold in 2008 WITH the voter ID laws passed, not only was their a record turnout, Obama won Indiana.

So much for the poor and oppressed not being able to make it to the BMV for a free voter ID card.

261 Scion9  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:58:27am

re: #253 Steffan

Such a thing has already been suggested. A National ID system that is tied to voter registration is 'voter suppression'. Somehow. I don't know.

262 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:58:29am

re: #259 Steffan

Did you see the commercial they( the gay marriage advocates) produced to scare CA voters... showing two Mormon missionaries coming in and going storm-trooper on their house, stripping them of their wedding rings and tearing up their marriage license.....
It was really heinous.

263 MajorPribluda  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:59:14am

re: #244 blackpajamas

Here, can you believe this: Pelosi says voters misunderstood Prop. 8

Nancy Pelosi thinks that Pro 8 (Ban Gay Marriage) passed in California because voters were too dumb to understand what their vote meant:

Unfortunately, I think people thought they were making a statement about what their view of same-sex marriage was," the San Francisco Democrat said. "I don't know if it was clear that this meant that we are amending the Constitution to diminish freedom in our state."

Typical condescending crap from Speaker Pelosi. Notice that conservatives didn't assume that the California Supreme Court had "misunderstood the clear intent of the voters and the legislature, and not known that they were legislating from the bench."

Prop. 8 has a sordid history, and the MSM can't be bothered to cover it.

264 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 12:59:34am

Pelosi said Democrats will make reviving a weak economy their singular focus for the next several months. (ibid)

Great, now that the idiot ego has ante'd up, and the world is watching, we all get to see the world's most expensive train wreck in action.

Democrats are pushing a package of between $61 billion and $100 billion, which would be spent on infrastructure projects, an extension of jobless benefits, an increase in food stamps and aid to cash-strapped states. The Bush White House and Republicans in Congress are cool to the idea.

Dang, I knew I should have declared myself an illegal alien ...

265 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:00:48am

re: #261 Scion9

Such a thing has already been suggested. A National ID system that is tied to voter registration is 'voter suppression'. Somehow. I don't know.

It deals with the ACLU and privacy laws.

266 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:01:41am

re: #233 gop_patriot

Comedian Banjo. (Not comedy, just a comedian with a banjo)
Record Banjo. (Not metal, but that's hardcore)

267 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:02:07am

Gay marriage doesn't really bother me, I'm a Libertarian type but I do find it deliciously ironic that it was black voters who pretty much voted down Prop 8.

268 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:04:09am

well, *that* sucked...... quick power spike: just enough to reboot the box.

bit the end of the world in and of itself, but it cost me the game of Asteroids i had paused, where i was in the high 600Ks, with boocoo ships to go.

damn the DWP.

269 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:04:30am

"Whether it succeeds or fails, Democrats and Obama are planning, after he takes office in January, a stimulus plan that could be even bigger" (ibid).

WTF?!

"Pelosi said the details are still being debated, but she is pushing for a tax cut for the middle class."

The middle class will bail out the auto industry, then get back some change.

"We did the stimulus package with rebates (in February). ... It had a good effect, I think," she said.

They were passing out brains, Nancy thought they said trains, and she missed it.

270 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:04:42am

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow, that's got to be the most serious that I have seen Steve Martin look. Good playing too.

271 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:05:45am

re: #267 middlecon

Gay marriage doesn't really bother me, I'm a Libertarian type but I do find it deliciously ironic that it was black voters who pretty much voted down Prop 8.

and the Hicspanics.

272 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:06:11am

re: #267 middlecon

Gay marriage doesn't really bother me, I'm a Libertarian type but I do find it deliciously ironic that it was black voters who pretty much voted down Prop 8.

Yeah, but it's getting ugly.

It was like being at a klan rally except the klansmen were wearing Abercrombie polos and Birkenstocks. YOU [N-word], one man shouted at men. If your people want to call me a FAGGOT, I will call you a n-word. Someone else said same thing to me on the next block near the temple...me and my friend were walking, he is also gay but Korean, and a young WeHo clone said after last night the n*****s better not come to West Hollywood if they knew what was BEST for them.

jeez

273 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:06:15am

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

Comedian Banjo. (Not comedy, just a comedian with a banjo)
Record Banjo. (Not metal, but that's hardcore)

Steve Martin loves playing the banjo. When I was on the set of Cheaper By the Dozen 2 he made his assistant run and grab his banjo so he could jam with a string quartet hired to play as lunchtime entertainment.

274 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:06:45am

re: #269 blackpajamas

"Whether it succeeds or fails, Democrats and Obama are planning, after he takes office in January, a stimulus plan that could be even bigger" (ibid).

WTF?!

"Pelosi said the details are still being debated, but she is pushing for a tax cut for the middle class."

The middle class will bail out the auto industry, then get back some change.

"We did the stimulus package with rebates (in February). ... It had a good effect, I think," she said.

They were passing out brains, Nancy thought they said trains, and she missed it.

either that or she pulled it...... %-)

/white smoke

275 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:07:00am

re: #269 blackpajamas

"Whether it succeeds or fails, Democrats and Obama are planning, after he takes office in January, a stimulus plan that could be even bigger" (ibid).

WTF?!

"Pelosi said the details are still being debated, but she is pushing for a tax cut for the middle class."

The middle class will bail out the auto industry, then get back some change.

"We did the stimulus package with rebates (in February). ... It had a good effect, I think," she said.

They were passing out brains, Nancy thought they said trains, and she missed it.

It will be funny to hear the Libs talk about these stimulus packages when Obama/Pelosi sponser them. When Bush put them out they always said it was 'too little' or 'vote buying'.

Should be interesting to hear them change their tune.

276 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:07:22am

Has anyone seen Joe the Senator Vice- President elect? He's conspicuously missing in action.....

277 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:07:48am

re: #218 talon_262

Loves me some Hayseed Dixie...got hooked on them after hearing them do "Poop in a Jar" on Bob & Tom.

This Bob & Tom?

278 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:09:17am

re: #276 tradewind


He was at the press conference today.

279 UncleSam  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:09:50am

I voted against Prop 8 because last Saturday I met a really nice lesbian couple who were very, very happy that they had been able to get married.
Why ruin their happiness?

Also, on a more cynical note, why shouldn't gays and lesbians have the opportunity to be as miserable as everyone else?

280 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:10:37am

re: #278 middlecon

Is he thinking he'll be the nominee in '12?

281 tradewind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:11:13am

PIMF, '16.....

282 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:11:21am

re: #276 tradewind

Has anyone seen Joe the Senator Vice- President elect? He's conspicuously missing in action.....

They haven't yet unlocked him from one of Ted Kennedy's secure undisclosed liquor cabinets.

283 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:11:28am

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

First one, amazing!
Second one, holy crap! LOL

284 BignJames  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:13:32am

re: #279 UncleSam

Why should they be afforded special rights?

285 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:14:52am

From the Too Cute For Words Dept.

The Bunny and the Rhino

286 JustMyView  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:14:54am

re: #276 tradewind

Has anyone seen Joe the Senator Vice- President elect? He's conspicuously missing in action.....

He was onstage at today's press conference.

287 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:15:17am

re: #279 UncleSam

I voted against Prop 8 because last Saturday I met a really nice lesbian couple who were very, very happy that they had been able to get married.
Why ruin their happiness?

Also, on a more cynical note, why shouldn't gays and lesbians have the opportunity to be as miserable as everyone else?

what i can't figure out is how marriage can be a constitutional issue, since it's clear on the Federal level that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution guarantee "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", and, as any married person will tell you if their spouse is not present, marriage kills all 3.

/white smoke

288 UncleSam  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:16:14am

re: #284 BignJames

Why should they be afforded special rights?

What special rights?
They would just have the same rights as everyone else.

289 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:18:28am

re: #284 BignJames

Why should they be afforded special rights?

why should the government be in the "marriage" business to begin with, since that's a religious institution. who can and can't get married is a theological debate for each church/religion.....

the government should have nothing to do with the institution.....

IMHO, of course. %-)

290 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:18:43am

re: #288 UncleSam

What special rights?
They would just have the same rights as everyone else.

It's two women getting married- How is that the same?

Would polygamy be the same, too?

291 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:19:18am

The Student of Karl wonders how to create new jobs:

"My priority is going to be, how do we grow the economy? How do we create more jobs?"

He also wants to make the same mistake as Kennedy, rushing off to meet head-on with our enemies as soon as possible:

"Mr. Obama said Friday he would respond to a letter of congratulations from the president of Iran, the first such letter since the Iranian Revolution. It seemed to be consistent with his campaign pledge to deepen diplomatic engagement with the Islamic Republic."

292 BignJames  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:20:45am

re: #288 UncleSam

They have the same rights I have.

293 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:21:16am

re: #291 blackpajamas

The Student of Karl wonders how to create new jobs:

"My priority is going to be, how do we grow the economy? How do we create more jobs?"

He also wants to make the same mistake as Kennedy, rushing off to meet head-on with our enemies as soon as possible:

"Mr. Obama said Friday he would respond to a letter of congratulations from the president of Iran, the first such letter since the Iranian Revolution. It seemed to be consistent with his campaign pledge to deepen diplomatic engagement with the Islamic Republic."

I'm not sure if Obama did say he would respond to the letter, he said he would 'review' it. Still a pretty tepid response he should of told him to shove it lol

294 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:21:20am

re: #270 BlueCanuck

Steve ain't no joke.

295 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:23:00am

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

Comedian Banjo. (Not comedy, just a comedian with a banjo)
Record Banjo. (Not metal, but that's hardcore)

Smothers Brothers, Boil that Cabbage Down. Music and comedy.

296 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:25:09am

re: #293 middlecon

I'm not sure if Obama did say he would respond to the letter, he said he would 'review' it. Still a pretty tepid response he should of told him to shove it lol

Yep, I agree. If I had the opportunity to respond to them, I'd consult a bunch of Iranian Americans and let them publicly shame the Iranian regime at a full session of the U.N. general assembly.

297 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:26:45am

re: #290 Fenway_Nation

It's two women getting married- How is that the same?

Would polygamy be the same, too?

if it were up to me, than any group of consenting adults would enter into a legally binding contract, witnessed/attested to in front of a judge, who would ensure that each & every one had entered into it under advice of sound legal counsel. since all contracts would include mediation, rights & responsibilities, child care provisions, etc ad infinitum, and have out clauses.

298 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:30:42am

My views on gay marriage: Any 2 people over 18, male/male, female/female, male/female should be able to get the rights and responsibilities of marriage.

Now that doesn't mean that churches should have to sanction them, but when it comes down to things like health care and probate its the right thing to do.

299 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:33:44am

I don't understand the problem with gay marriage. What exactly is it supposed to threaten? The marriage my husband and I have? If that were the case, we wouldn't have much of a marriage.

I remember - years ago - when Ireland was debating whether to allow divorce. Some woman said allowing divorce would threaten her marriage. WTF.

I'm sorry, I don't get it.

300 MajorPribluda  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:35:44am

re: #297 redc1c4

if it were up to me, than any group of consenting adults would enter into a legally binding contract, witnessed/attested to in front of a judge, who would ensure that each & every one had entered into it under advice of sound legal counsel. since all contracts would include mediation, rights & responsibilities, child care provisions, etc ad infinitum, and have out clauses.

You can write up any contract that you want. But don't call it marriage.

I saw somebody on a news show complaining about rights for gay parents. First off, there are no gay parents properly. Adoption for straight couples can be a remedy for a medical condition, but not a moral one.

I am willng to be convinced that homosexuality is an inborn condition, but so far, I am definitaly *not* convinced. There is better evidence that some crimes are the result of inborn conditions than homosexuality, and thieves and rapists go to prison. The only evidence that a person is gay is behavioral, as opposed to race and gender, which protections are natural and good. Behavioral aspects are protected, but do not rise to the same level as race & gender. No matter what the Universities & media want us to think.

301 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:35:53am

well, having killed the thread, i think i'll go off and spike the fruit cup and hit the rack.... HRH has a busy schedule for me today, and the weather is nice & warm (Santa Anas again) so i'm gonna hit the pool a couple more times this weekend before i give up for the year & pull the cover......

November in LA.... I LOVE IT!

302 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:36:29am

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

Steve ain't no joke.

Steve Martin is good on the banjo, but he can't log roll.

303 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:37:09am

Karl's start pupil:

“It is not going to be easy for us to dig ourselves out of the hole that we are in,” Obama said yesterday in Chicago. “We are going to have to focus on jobs because the hemorrhaging of jobs has an impact on consumer confidence and the ability of people to purchase goods and services.”

Well, in this case, even The One's intellectual wet-blanket statement is true.

It is indeed the case that the loss of jobs has an impact on the ability of people to purchase goods and services.

Dropping prices in stores increases my ability to purchase both goods and services!

With "Confidence!"

304 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:39:21am

re: #290 Fenway_Nation

Sure. Once you redefine marriage away from one man and one woman, there's no reason to have any workable definition. Two men, two women, three men, six women and two men, one man and one sheep, honestly, there's no drawing any lines.

and it's not just personal preference, as the hard-core libertarians would have you think. they make the same mistake hard-core liberals do, they assume the world they know just popped into existence one day, and they can't explain how it evolved over time, what the forces are that gave rise to everything they enjoy and take for granted, and one of them is a society based on the fundamental concept of the traditional family unit.

305 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:41:04am

re: #300 MajorPribluda

Um, what?

306 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:41:05am

re: #300 MajorPribluda

You can write up any contract that you want. But don't call it marriage.

i never said it would be marriage, since i specifically stated that marriage is a religious institution, and each and every church/sect/belief could define it as they wished. i just said the government should *not* be in the religion business.

i also feel that society is better off when everyone is encouraged to participate in long term stable relationships with legal rights & responsibilities, regardless of orientation.

if it doesn't involve children, animals or permanent bodily harm, and you're not out in the middle of the street, i really don't care what trips your trigger, as long as all parties involved are fully consenting.

307 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:41:25am

re: #299 wahabicorridor

There's no problem with gay marriage per se, the problem comes with the fact that American society is predicated on the traditional family structure. Lose that and in a generation or two you're recreating a society from scratch.

308 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:42:08am

re: #302 logboy

Steve Martin is good on the banjo, but he can't log roll.

Is that you on the left?

309 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:42:25am

re: #300 MajorPribluda

I have come down on the side of 'inborn condition' simply because the stigma of being gay has been so severe that I can't imagine anyone actually choosing it.

310 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:42:49am

re: #279 UncleSam


Also, on a more cynical note, why shouldn't gays and lesbians have the opportunity to be as miserable as everyone else?

Thank you, Kinky.

311 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:42:58am

re: #304 LynnfromNZ

Sure. Once you redefine marriage away from one man and one woman, there's no reason to have any workable definition. Two men, two women, three men, six women and two men, one man and one sheep, honestly, there's no drawing any lines.

and it's not just personal preference, as the hard-core libertarians would have you think. they make the same mistake hard-core liberals do, they assume the world they know just popped into existence one day, and they can't explain how it evolved over time, what the forces are that gave rise to everything they enjoy and take for granted, and one of them is a society based on the fundamental concept of the traditional family unit.

and that's why marriage is best seen as a religious institution, since they are the forces that gave rise to it.

312 UncleSam  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:42:58am

re: #290 Fenway_Nation

It's two women getting married- How is that the same?

Would polygamy be the same, too?

No, polygamy is illegal for everyone, marriage between two people is not.

When I was a kid, from about 9 through 15, we had two wonderful neighbors, Harold and Paul, who were gay.
They had us over for dinner on Sundays once a month for years, and we had a great time. That is one of my fondest childhood memories. Harold was a great cook. We vacationed with them at their cabin in the Santa Cruz area, and went to Mass with them on Christmas eves several times. (They were both Catholic.)
Eventually, Paul got engaged to and married a woman, and my dad, who was a strong Republican, said, when he heard about the engagement, said, " Paul's marrying a woman? That's just not right. He should be marrying Harold." And he was serious.
We went to the wedding, which was very nice, but I have always thought about that.
Paul should have married Harold.

313 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:44:27am

Dropping prices in stores increases ability to purchase goods n' services!

Speak Proof to Power: Mervyns to start liquidation sales Friday (from Oct 31).

314 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:44:52am

re: #307 LynnfromNZ

There's no problem with gay marriage per se, the problem comes with the fact that American society is predicated on the traditional family structure. Lose that and in a generation or two you're recreating a society from scratch.

People are in gay relationships now, yet people still keep getting married and having children. Why would suddenly those 2 gay people having a peice of paper drastically change society?

315 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:45:40am

re: #306 redc1c4

So you're saying gay couples couldn't adopt children, since they'd be involved? Let's see how far that flies.

Once you define marriage away from one man and one woman you have no logical stopping point anywhere. Animals? What sort of outmoded discriminatory standards do you base that on, the devil's advocate asks? One man and six sheep is a legally defensible defintion of "marriage" at that point, since the first time you say okay, there is no one defintion of marriage, you have instantly lost any and all standards for setting any definitions or boundaries at all.

316 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:45:50am

re: #304 LynnfromNZ

Personally I didn't have a problem with it until the gay-marrige proponents were comparing themselves to the Japanese being interned during WWII or the blacks during Jim Crow and the onset of the civil rights movement because they were basically being inconvenienced.

I also figured it would only be a matter of time before some attention-seeking couple would stage some judicial theater by showing up in a Catholic parrish or Mormon Temple asking to be married on the spot, and when refused, take the matter to court and claim discrimination in attempt to get the state to compel the religious institution to recognize homosexual marrige.

Too far fetched? Lotsa libs/ACLU types with waaaay too much time on their hands.

317 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:46:29am

re: #311 redc1c4

But society has adopted the institution of marriage to set a goodly amount of social policy and laws.

318 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:47:33am

re: #307 LynnfromNZ

Here. Not presented as a refutation, but as something that might make you laugh. Or think. Or whatever.

Later.

319 Shug  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:47:55am

74 million dollars spent on California Proposition 8.

Think about that.
What a tremendous f-ing waste of money, on both sides.

and we haven't even had teh legal battles, the lawsuits.

100 million when it's all said and done, so what a few hundred gays a year can't have their marriage ceremony? It's madness


I hope that it doesn't keep coming up over and over and over on each and every ballot, but I suspect that it will.

320 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:48:03am

re: #308 gop_patriot

Is that you on the left?

Yup. I was Eugene Levy's stunt double. He couldn't figure out how to dangle from the crane and roll so they made me fill in and roll for real against Steve.

321 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:48:28am

re: #314 middlecon

Because society is built with the family structure as its foundational principle. Societies that don't base themselves on the family have no basis for basic societal structure save government-dictated socialism.

322 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:48:35am

re: #307 LynnfromNZ

There's no problem with gay marriage per se, the problem comes with the fact that American society is predicated on the traditional family structure. Lose that and in a generation or two you're recreating a society from scratch.

Part of me understands that and part of me doesn't. We know gay couples that have been together for decades. The commitment they have to one another is no different than that between my husband and me.

But there is one niggling problem I can't get past - children. For some reason that I am unable to articulate, children raised by a homosexual couple strikes me as a dubious proposition.

See? This is why I don't get it. We know people who truly are committed to each other and are married in every sense but the legal - and yet I think that situation is not fit for children.

I'm very ambiguous on the whole thing.

323 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:50:38am

re: #320 logboy

Yup. I was Eugene Levy's stunt double. He couldn't figure out how to dangle from the crane and roll so they made me fill in and roll for real against Steve.

So were you dangling from a crane, or doing it for real, and was Steve dangling from a crane? lol

I can imagine it was frustrating trying to log roll with someone who had no idea how to do it. Like me, for instance. LOL I've always thought it would be fun to try; but then again, I've become attached to my teeth. ;)

324 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:50:43am

re: #315 LynnfromNZ

So you're saying gay couples couldn't adopt children, since they'd be involved? Let's see how far that flies.

Once you define marriage away from one man and one woman you have no logical stopping point anywhere. Animals? What sort of outmoded discriminatory standards do you base that on, the devil's advocate asks? One man and six sheep is a legally defensible defintion of "marriage" at that point, since the first time you say okay, there is no one defintion of marriage, you have instantly lost any and all standards for setting any definitions or boundaries at all.

you are being needlessly and deliberately obtuse...... you know damn well what i meant. you're just afraid that by banning sheep, most marriages in New Zealand would become null and void.

325 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:51:38am

Somebody told me there was a TV show called Divorce Court.

Which network will be the first to air "Alternate-lifestyle Divorce Court"?

326 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:53:21am

re: #321 LynnfromNZ

Because society is built with the family structure as its foundational principle. Societies that don't base themselves on the family have no basis for basic societal structure save government-dictated socialism.

Well of course society is bult with a family structure, but I don't agree that gay people having relationships and recognized relationships is going to suddenly bring down society.

I think we'll just have to disagree on this one, gay marriage as an issue for me is way, way down the list and I'm not one for debating it.

327 Shug  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:54:59am

re: #324 redc1c4

you're just afraid that by banning sheep, most marriages in New Zealand would become null and void.

now that's funny

328 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:55:07am

re: #322 wahabicorridor

understandably. the libertarian part of me thinks ah what the hell, what difference does it make? then I think wait a second, if you define marriage away, all of society becomes personal preference. You lose the basis for pretty much any objectivity, don't you?

If gays want to be together their whole lives fine, if heterosexual couples want to live together for fifty years and never marry fine. Marriage is different. It's not just a piece of paper.

329 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:55:25am

re: #326 middlecon

Understood.

330 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:56:51am

re: #327 Shug

These days it's mostly cows. Switching over to dairy in a big way -- we're the #1 dairy-producing nation in the world, it's far more profitable than the woolies. Naturally this causes for many a tearful parting when the farmer sells off the sheep stock...

331 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:59:39am

re: #311 redc1c4

religion is also the force that gave rise to most of society. me I see a connection, although honestly I don't care what religion anybody is, it seems to me the best societies are th emost religiously tolerant, it's the one thing everybody agrees on, one man and one woman. Muslims don't, but Islam, well, there's a huge disconnect between theory and practice there.

332 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 1:59:46am

I feel a tearful reunion with fruitcup coming on....

333 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------------->
Help yourselves!

334 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:01:38am

Fenway! :-)

Don't cry.

335 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:01:59am

re: #328 LynnfromNZ

Marriage is different. It's not just a piece of paper.

You're absolutely right about that. It is different. It's not just shacking up - by a long shot.

I'm just very conflicted - I could never look our gay, committed friends in the face and tell them they can't have what my husband and I have - no way no how. They DO have every right to it as far as I can tell.

But when I get past that - what Thomas Sowell calls 'Stage One' thinking, i.e., you had better look at what comes next - I'm not comfortable.

heh. The conflict between the flesh and blood people you love and theory.........

336 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:03:07am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------------->
Help yourselves!


good morning! Is Fenway Nation your sock puppet?

337 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:03:12am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the fruit cup. Glad to see your old avatar is back. :)

338 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:03:28am

re: #334 littleoldlady


The crying usually comes after having one of Red's fruitcups.

339 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:04:53am

re: #338 Fenway_Nation

The crying usually comes after having one of Red's fruitcups.

One more week of sorrow, and then the games begin again.

/red spiking the stores, and me trying to stop him.

//thank goodness I have a back of supplies.

340 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:05:12am

re: #333 littleoldlady

littleoldlady! Fruitcup!

/notice which is first, I have my priorities in the proper order ;)

341 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:05:26am

re: #323 gop_patriot

So were you dangling from a crane, or doing it for real, and was Steve dangling from a crane? lol

I can imagine it was frustrating trying to log roll with someone who had no idea how to do it. Like me, for instance. LOL I've always thought it would be fun to try; but then again, I've become attached to my teeth. ;)

I was rolling, Steve was dangling. If you want to see the scene from the movie its right here.

342 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:07:23am

Whew! Patti stunk. Let's try Elaine.

343 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:07:30am

re: #335 wahabicorridor

You're absolutely right about that. It is different. It's not just shacking up - by a long shot.

I'm just very conflicted - I could never look our gay, committed friends in the face and tell them they can't have what my husband and I have - no way no how. They DO have every right to it as far as I can tell.

But when I get past that - what Thomas Sowell calls 'Stage One' thinking, i.e., you had better look at what comes next - I'm not comfortable.

heh. The conflict between the flesh and blood people you love and theory.........

Why? Marriage is essentially a social and financial contract in which the male agrees to provide financial support and protection and the female agrees to provide sexual favors and heirs. Virtually all of our family law is based on that and much of the rest of our laws. Like Social Security regulations. Women are entitled to 75% of whatever their husband of more than 10 years is entitled to even if they have never worked a day, specifically because of this traditional understanding of the marital contract.

344 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:08:53am

re: #336 wahabicorridor

wahabi! :-)

Nah. He's a Boston fan.

BlueCanuck! :-)

gop! :-)

Thanks! ;-)

345 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:10:02am

re: #336 wahabicorridor

good morning! Is Fenway Nation your sock puppet?


I resemble resent that!

346 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:10:04am

re: #343 galloping granny

Ok, I can't tell if you have a grin on your face.............

But you are correct in terms of history - but that's hardly the way we have grown up - marriage as a financial contract................

347 I heart the USA  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:10:34am

re: #261 Scion9

Such a thing has already been suggested. A National ID system that is tied to voter registration is 'voter suppression'. Somehow. I don't know.

That's true - it absolutely suppresses illegal voters!

348 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:10:39am

Hey, granny! :-)

Long time no type to!

349 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:12:12am

re: #343 galloping granny

Oh. Shit. Wait.

Intentionally or not - you have just provided much needed clarity to my thinking.

350 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:12:23am

re: #341 logboy

I was rolling, Steve was dangling. If you want to see the scene from the movie its right here.

Awesome. Great legs, btw. ;)

Seriously, that's very cool. I was showing my son your website tonight, telling him your story. He is in awe of you, and what you've overcome. We both think you're a true American hero. (((logboy)))

351 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:13:43am

re: #345 Fenway_Nation

I resemble resent that!

heh. Hey, did you see Barry O's press conference yesterday? I'm worried - it hasn't even been a week and already he looks like hell.

Poor thing (no sarc tag intended - I'm serious)

352 Macker  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:14:06am

re: #279 UncleSam

I voted against Prop 8 because last Saturday I met a really nice lesbian couple who were very, very happy that they had been able to get married.
Why ruin their happiness?

Also, on a more cynical note, why shouldn't gays and lesbians have the opportunity to be as miserable as everyone else?

Where was it that I read that "why should heterosexual couples be the only ones who can make their lawyers able to buy Italian sports cars?"

353 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:14:40am

re: #351 wahabicorridor

Well as they say...It catches up with you!

/

{lgf}

354 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:15:43am

re: #346 wahabicorridor

Ok, I can't tell if you have a grin on your face.............

But you are correct in terms of history - but that's hardly the way we have grown up - marriage as a financial contract................

That IS the way that my generation grew up - we just covered it up with all of that "true love" business. What do you think the going to college to find a husband bit of the 50s and early 60s was all about? Or the fact that until well into the 70s married women in the United States of America had to list their husband's name. address, employer & social security number on an employment application? Lost credit in their own name on the day that they signed the marriage license? Were still legally defined as property in Louisiana until after the ERA failed?

"History" in this case isn't all that long ago. Your generation has simply been fed a con job in the name of "equality" that makes you think that you have some requirement to bring home the bacon along with the frying up, the putting out and the ironing of shirts at 11 pm.

355 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:17:40am

re: #220 gmsc
i love that one.

356 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:17:53am

Well I am out of here. Have yourselves a good day lizards, and stay scaly.

357 logboy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:18:06am

re: #350 gop_patriot

Awesome. Great legs, btw. ;)

Seriously, that's very cool. I was showing my son your website tonight, telling him your story. He is in awe of you, and what you've overcome. We both think you're a true American hero. (((logboy)))

TY. Its bed time. Night.

358 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:19:30am

Typical.

I show up and everyone leaves.


/looks for a mirror to check if any chocolate left on face

359 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:20:22am

re: #335 wahabicorridor

that's the most difficult conflict we face on earth, i'm convinced.

360 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:20:23am

re: #351 wahabicorridor

I saw a very disappointed talking head on Fox complain, "Where's the beef?". No plan, no appointees to make the public feel better...

/there was supposed to be a PLAN?!

Last line of the movie: "Now what?"

361 Salem  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:20:47am

There's something about #44

362 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:21:11am

little blessing! :-)

I AM STANDING UP! ;-)

'Night, Blue!

363 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:21:36am

re: #354 galloping granny

That IS the way that my generation grew up - we just covered it up with all of that "true love" business. What do you think the going to college to find a husband bit of the 50s and early 60s was all about? Or the fact that until well into the 70s married women in the United States of America had to list their husband's name. address, employer & social security number on an employment application? Lost credit in their own name on the day that they signed the marriage license? Were still legally defined as property in Louisiana until after the ERA failed?

"History" in this case isn't all that long ago. Your generation has simply been fed a con job in the name of "equality" that makes you think that you have some requirement to bring home the bacon along with the frying up, the putting out and the ironing of shirts at 11 pm.

I don't think you and I are that far apart in age (I'm 56) - but you definitely have it all over me when it comes to the history dept. My mother was born and raised in New Orleans (Mardi Gras queen - the whole nine yards). She passed in 2003. I would love to be able to ask her about the property issue. What I know of southern women - she would have collapsed in gales of giggles.

364 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:21:47am

re: #351 wahabicorridor

Right now I have my money tied up in gold, silver, savings bonds and a certificate of deposit. I was lamenting the fact that I had hardly any spare cash to snap up some of the stocks of some of the better-run, high-dividend-paying companies who's value took a beating in last month's frenzied selloff when lo and behold, the president-elect held his press conference and the market basically plummeted 100 points as soon as he opened his yap.

/something tells me there's no rush, since I might be in for four years of 'bargains'.

365 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:22:08am

Darn, it's after 4AM and I need to get some sleep. Going to get my hair done in the morning, one of my favorite things in the world; right up there with buying shoes. lol

Hope everyone has a great day, and I'll talk to y'all later!

Goodnight... :)

366 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:23:08am

'Night, gop! :-)

367 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:23:57am

re: #362 littleoldlady

Glad I can count on you!

Little One is on my lap refusing to go to sleep.

368 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:24:08am

re: #363 wahabicorridor

I don't think you and I are that far apart in age (I'm 56) - but you definitely have it all over me when it comes to the history dept. My mother was born and raised in New Orleans (Mardi Gras queen - the whole nine yards). She passed in 2003. I would love to be able to ask her about the property issue. What I know of southern women - she would have collapsed in gales of giggles.

Except in court. She would not have laughed there. I am dead serious about that property issue. That is one of the things I fought very hard against back in the days when I was a "feminist" and a supporter of the ERA. Comes from the fact that Louisiana law is based on the French model rather than the English the rest of us use.

369 Picayune  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:24:20am

Ah, William Butler Yeats. "The falcon cannot hear....
the center cannot hold" and yet the three wise men followed a star - and now, here we are!

And now, just who are the Hollow Men?

370 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:24:45am

re: #360 littleoldlady

I saw a very disappointed talking head on Fox complain, "Where's the beef?". No plan, no appointees to make the public feel better...

/there was supposed to be a PLAN?!

Last line of the movie: "Now what?"


Yeah. I think poor Barry is in way over his head. I could do a whole South Park episode with Barry and Michelle.

Barry: What was I THINKING?

Michelle: You don't think until I TELL you to think.

And I have never once in my entire life watched South Park.

371 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:25:31am

re: #351 wahabicorridor

As i heard one commentator say, what happens when the dog catches the car he's been chasing and has absolutely no idea what to do now?

pray for the poor man. He has No. Fricking. Clue. What he's gotten himself into.

372 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:25:49am

re: #364 Fenway_Nation


That's basically the tack we're taking - buy cheap.

373 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:26:00am

re: #346 wahabicorridor

Sounds cynical on its face, but i don't think you are.

374 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:26:39am

re: #369 Picayune

headpieces filled with straw.

indeed.

375 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:27:19am

Karl's star pupil continues to be correct: “... hemorrhaging of jobs has an impact on consumer confidence and the ability of people to purchase goods and services."

Designer Discounts: "the Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index hit an all-time low, plunging to 38 in October from 61.4 in September and 95.2 for October of last year ... As a result, high-end retailers, such as Saks and Henri Bendel, are gearing up for a gloomy holiday season with deeper discounts and promotions."

376 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:27:30am

re: #367 little blessing

Glad I can count on you!

Little One is on my lap refusing to go to sleep.

How old is she (she, right?) now?

377 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:28:07am

re: #370 wahabicorridor

The Clinton retreads are not exactly confidence building, either...

378 scion9  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:28:34am

I wouldn't mind seeing the government getting out of the 'marriage' business altogether and just offer the ability to file for the tax/inheritance/medical benefits under the law. Essentially civil unions for anyone who wants one, and the actual matrimony can be something entirely up to the religious institutions.

Laws that surround marriage is leaning on the establishment clause awfully hard. You have the government in the business of defining what marriage is, and you have religious institutions filing as 501c3's, even though technically they shouldn't have to because of their 1st amendment rights. The Christian religious community is playing with fire in compelling government to get involved in the situation in the way that they are. They should be compelling Caesar to loosen his grip on cultural institutions instead, if they value their continued freedom to practice their religion without government intervention.

379 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:28:43am

re: #371 LynnfromNZ


Oh good, you're still here. Wanted to tell you - hubby was born and raised on a dairy farm and shoved cows for a few years himself. Now he is a lobbyist and some of his clients are - dairy farmers.

Anyway, I wanted to tell you that there is great admiration here for how New Zealand had managed it's transition to free-market dairy. That took some guts. We're still beholden (unless it's California) to the Federal Milk Marketing Orders.

380 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:28:55am

re: #363 wahabicorridor

Ever read Florence King's Confessions of a failed southern lady? Wonderful book.

381 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:29:09am

re: #375 blackpajamas

Karl's star pupil continues to be correct: “... hemorrhaging of jobs has an impact on consumer confidence and the ability of people to purchase goods and services."

Designer Discounts: "the Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index hit an all-time low, plunging to 38 in October from 61.4 in September and 95.2 for October of last year ... As a result, high-end retailers, such as Saks and Henri Bendel, are gearing up for a gloomy holiday season with deeper discounts and promotions."

Oh goodie! Better Christmas for less this year!

382 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:31:04am

re: #378 scion9

dinged you up

383 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:31:16am

re: #379 wahabicorridor

Oh good, you're still here. Wanted to tell you - hubby was born and raised on a dairy farm and shoved cows for a few years himself. Now he is a lobbyist and some of his clients are - dairy farmers.

Anyway, I wanted to tell you that there is great admiration here for how New Zealand had managed it's transition to free-market dairy. That took some guts. We're still beholden (unless it's California) to the Federal Milk Marketing Orders.

What is this deal all of the sudden with the "California cheese" and "happy cows?" Who ever heard of cheese from California?

384 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:31:27am

Wonder how this news will affect the earnings reports of these two companies over the next few quarters....

Sturm-Ruger [NYSE: RGR]
Smith & Wesson [NASDAQ: SWHC]

/throw in some Bible publishers and you have the Bitter-Clingy Portfolio

385 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:31:47am

re: #380 LynnfromNZ

Ever read Florence King's Confessions of a failed southern lady? Wonderful book.

Nope. I shall launch amazon forthwith.

386 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:32:13am

re: #377 littleoldlady

The Clinton retreads are not exactly confidence building, either...

Yep, it's funny how Boot-ROM Manual is said to have "sharp elbows".

Just what the Russians fear!

387 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:32:42am

re: #376 littleoldlady

Yup, a sheila!

17 months, going on 17.

388 I heart the USA  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:33:05am

If God - or nature - intended that the roles of man and woman are interchangeable, then why aren't we all equiped with both sets of sex organs? Nope, it's 'insert tab A into slot B' to procreate. This implies to me that both the male and the female each have a unique function in the offspring's life. Yes, we have grown past the absolute need for male strength necessary to provide for and protect, women to bear and care for children, but studies still show that children do best in a traditional family unit. This is what I can't get past. Men and women each have a particular role. I refuse to buy into the bullshit notion that a child doesn't need both a father and a mother equally. And of course, children can do well without one or the other, but that doesn't mean they don't need both.

And I have to make one observation in general about the gay marriage issue. The libs that fight so hard to get gays to be able to marry are the same libs who trashed the very concept of marriage starting back in the late 60's. It was an 'antiquated man-made institution, designed to enslave women'. Why, no self respecting woman should ever allow herself to be placed in such bondage! And now, they are calling it a civil rights issue, every bit as important as the black civil rights struggle. What delicious irony!

389 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:33:30am

re: #379 wahabicorridor

appreciate that.

lately fonterra's gotten quite a bad rap (from the WSJ for one) for not increasing production. like we want to retool -- americans dont understand the main highway between Auckland and Wellington is a two-lane country road where cars stop for a sheep muster. imagine that between ny and washington.

Americans need to stop indexing all commodity prices to 1911 standards.

390 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:34:02am

Hey LynnfromNZ.

How is the election shaping up?

Is it true that Helen Clark is going to be voted out?

/that is what the papers across the Tasman are saying

391 little blessing  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:34:41am

bbl

392 Picayune  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:35:32am

re: #374 LynnfromNZ


Is history really repeating itself these days for those then cannot perceive?

393 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:36:02am

re: #385 wahabicorridor

you will not be disappointed. She wrote for buckley's NR for a long time. One of the best books I've read in years.

394 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:36:09am

re: #387 little blessing

Yup, a sheila!

17 months, going on 17.

And she is sitting on your lap as you compute? You're going to turn her into a geek you know? She'll be making that computer function by 3 and putting one together by 10 or so. . . . . we have one of those here. A couple of weeks ago she took her money down to Radio Shack and came back with a rather expensive set of screwdrivers especially for working on computers. (She's trying to repair a Mac laptop.) When I told her mother (the daughter I turned into a geek) she about turned cartwheels - "My baby is a geek!" She was so excited. In a good way. We cherish female technical competence here.

395 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:36:19am

re: #387 little blessing

Yup, a sheila!

17 months, going on 17.

You've got a couple more years of "great", a few of "good"...and then you'll have to switch to red's fruitcup.

/it gets better after 20 ;-)

396 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:36:35am

re: #390 little blessing

we can only hope. Me I'd vote ACT. My money's on the Nats, though.

397 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:36:56am

re: #383 galloping granny

What is this deal all of the sudden with the "California cheese" and "happy cows?" Who ever heard of cheese from California?

heh. I could use all of Charles' bandwidth explaining that one. Every five years we do a farm bill and every five years dairy wants its subsidies. California opted out of the Federal Milk Marketing Orders - which are arcane - and so can price the products according to market.

But not really. Because everyone else is under FMMO. They're going after the cheese market (milk from CA ain't getting shipped to Florida). Cabot cheese - out of Vermont - has consistently been rated some of the best in the world (it is - I love it). They also have excellent butter - if you can find it.

398 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:38:06am

re: #388 I heart the USA

it's hard to get past that, yes.

399 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:38:53am

re: #386 blackpajamas

Yep, it's funny how Boot-ROM Manual is said to have "sharp elbows".

Just what the Russians fear!

Maybe he'll mail them some dead fish?

400 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:39:18am

re: #397 wahabicorridor

America's ag subsidy laws are, apart from its institutionalized racism, as a class the stupidest laws on its books. Honey, hazel nuts, dairy, rice, all inane.

401 I heart the USA  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:40:12am

re: #383 galloping granny

What is this deal all of the sudden with the "California cheese" and "happy cows?" Who ever heard of cheese from California?

Don't they have Monterey Jack cheese in your neck of the woods, Granny?

402 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:40:19am

re: #397 wahabicorridor

heh. I could use all of Charles' bandwidth explaining that one. Every five years we do a farm bill and every five years dairy wants its subsidies. California opted out of the Federal Milk Marketing Orders - which are arcane - and so can price the products according to market.

But not really. Because everyone else is under FMMO. They're going after the cheese market (milk from CA ain't getting shipped to Florida). Cabot cheese - out of Vermont - has consistently been rated some of the best in the world (it is - I love it). They also have excellent butter - if you can find it.

I live in Vermont. I have no problem finding Cabot cheese and butter at all. Including a couple of special types of cheese and butter that you can only buy in Vermont. One variety of butter you can specifically get only at the factory even. The kiddo goes to camp about 6 miles or so from the main factory, so we load up a couple times a year. If they ever release it, try the chile and lime cheddar. To die for!

403 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:40:38am

re: #401 I heart the USA

Don't they have Monterey Jack cheese in your neck of the woods, Granny?

Sure. Made in Cabot, Vermont. :)

404 LynnfromNZ  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:42:13am

re: #392 Picayune

Here we go round the prickly pear -- again and again and again.

405 The Other Les  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:43:29am

I wouldn't say that I lack conviction.

But then I've been called all sorts of nasty names by folks on the left.

406 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:45:22am

re: #397 wahabicorridor

heh. I could use all of Charles' bandwidth explaining that one. Every five years we do a farm bill and every five years dairy wants its subsidies. California opted out of the Federal Milk Marketing Orders - which are arcane - and so can price the products according to market.

But not really. Because everyone else is under FMMO. They're going after the cheese market (milk from CA ain't getting shipped to Florida). Cabot cheese - out of Vermont - has consistently been rated some of the best in the world (it is - I love it). They also have excellent butter - if you can find it.

This place, though, has much better cheddar in general than Cabot does these days, if you like old fashioned really sharp cheddar. [Link: www.sugarbushfarm.com...]

Cabot has drastically reduced the length of time they age their cheddars.

407 scion9  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:46:27am

re: #388 I heart the USA

Well, as a straight man, I certainly don't feel that I have chosen to be so. I can't imagine that a gay man sat down and looked at both sexes and made a concious decision to like the same sex.

I also am skeptical that studies would show that a child raised in an orphanage, or shuffled from foster home to foster home is better off than one who was raised by a gay couple. Even if every gay couple in America got married and adopted two children there would still be millions of children waiting to be adopted. It isn't between straight parents and gay parents, but no parents and gay parents.

As for the 'counter culture' movement, I do agree with that. I also disagree that marriage should be defined as a civil right at all. Marriage, in so much as it is part of one's religious or cultural tradition are protected by the 1st amendment. The benefits that the government extends to married couples are entitlements, not rights.

408 blackpajamas  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:47:17am

re: #399 littleoldlady

Maybe he'll mail them some dead fish?

Stock market "gurus" often talk of a dead-cat bounce, with the new "stimulus" suppositories we might see a fatal fish flop.

Which is then devoured promptly by the subsequent bouncing dead cat.

409 I heart the USA  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:47:22am

re: #403 galloping granny

Sure. Made in Cabot, Vermont. :)

LOL! OK, yours is made in Vermont, but it originated in California. So there's our claim to cheese fame. But I hope to heaven we are also not responsible for that crap called 'American' cheese! What an abomination, second only to Velveeta!

410 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:49:11am

re: #400 LynnfromNZ

America's ag subsidy laws are, apart from its institutionalized racism, as a class the stupidest laws on its books. Honey, hazel nuts, dairy, rice, all inane.

Absolutely. Fortunately there is the EU's Common Ag Policy (over 40% of the EU budget) that I can use for target practice. BTW, just ordered 4 - count 'em - Florence King books. Doing my part for the economy and all that.

re: #402 galloping granny

If they ever release it, try the chile and lime cheddar. To die for!

Indeed. We get it from my husband's clients. And for those of you who can shop at Trader Joe's - I think they carry Cabot's butter - sometimes anyway - and it is to die for.

411 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:50:37am

re: #406 galloping granny

Cabot has drastically reduced the length of time they age their cheddars.

I hope you understand that I cannot speak to that in a public forum. But I will pass this up the line.

412 Picayune  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:51:19am

re: #399 littleoldlady

The Russians are in a league way above Chicago pols these days, they sneer at his "sharp elbows" as Medvedev taunts while opening the door to the richest, most powerful man on the Continent to ascend his throne - and we got that pretense of a presidential candidate - who is now pres elect, with his very own pres elect office and podium sign. Ain't life great? Maybe our guy will invite Putin over for tea and intoduce his new pooch.

413 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:53:15am

re: #409 I heart the USA


I happen to like Velveeta - no, actually, I LOVE Velveeta

/and you can keep that 'smelly socks' gorgonzola

414 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:54:10am

re: #409 I heart the USA

LOL! OK, yours is made in Vermont, but it originated in California. So there's our claim to cheese fame. But I hope to heaven we are also not responsible for that crap called 'American' cheese! What an abomination, second only to Velveeta!

I know that Monterey Jack originated in California. I just can't quite understand why California is bothering to run a California Cheese - Happy Cows ad in Vermont of all places.

I actually prefer Velveeta to "American" cheese. You don't have to refrigerate Velveeta, so it is good for camping and emergency food stashes. Even my dog does not like "American" - which is invariably "processed cheese food" rather than cheese.

415 Picayune  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:54:14am

re: #404 LynnfromNZ

Yep, 'til Palin field dresses her newest moose.

416 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:57:00am

re: #410 wahabicorridor

Indeed. We get it from my husband's clients. And for those of you who can shop at Trader Joe's - I think they carry Cabot's butter - sometimes anyway - and it is to die for.

Walmart around here carries Cabot butter - the "run of the mill" Cabot butter anyway. I think they do in Florida too. I used to have to send Dad a care package of cheese and butter a couple of times a year, but several years ago he told me he could now buy it himself.

417 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:58:46am

re: #416 galloping granny

Florida? Sending priority email to my sister.........

418 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:58:49am

re: #411 wahabicorridor

I hope you understand that I cannot speak to that in a public forum. But I will pass this up the line.

Cabot lost a big chunk of my cheddar buying dollar (big part of the food budget it is too) on the day that they did away with the Hunter's Extra Sharp that had been aged something like five years and had become almost flinty. Luckily, that can be had at Sugarbush.

419 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 2:59:48am

re: #412 Picayune

Swimming with sharks...

My Obama-voting family members just had a few hours of gloating before I started emailing links about Russia, with the subject line:

Ya know, there are other reasons for voting for President other than, "Wouldn't be cool to have a black one?"

420 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:01:09am

re: #418 galloping granny


This will be passed up.

421 The Other Les  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:01:31am

Love Velveeta when I can afford it. Hate pepper jack, makes me ill. Havarti (from Wisconsin I presume) is now being sold presliced in local stores.

422 Picayune  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:02:15am

re: #414 galloping granny

Velveeta is a great cheese to cook with veggies as a sub for a real white wine sauce, but for a real zesty nose toke - it's French Roquefort blue. Hmmm.

423 galloping granny  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:02:26am

re: #420 wahabicorridor

This will be passed up.

I'm now dying to know who you work for :) BTW, I see on the Cabot website that you can buy the chile-lime and the Tuscan flavored cheddars (Tuscan is also spectacular) online now. No butter though.

424 wahabicorridor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:03:38am

re: #423 galloping granny

nic is blue

425 scion9  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:04:46am

re: #419 littleoldlady

We are going for Cold War 2. We are switching jerseys though. This time we get to be the Communists.

426 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 3:06:54am

re: #425 scion9

We are going for Cold War 2. We are switching jerseys though. This time we get to be the Communists.

Not funny. I can picture BHO telling the Poles, "I don't get what you're complaining about..."